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Gun Thread: In the Beginning... [Weasel]
While thinking about topics for the Gun Thread it ocurred to me an article on the AR-15 would be interesting. After all, vast numbers of regular people love them, while probably just as many anti-gun wackos love to hate them. They're simultaneously called 'America's Favorite Rifle' by the NRA and gun rights advocates, while being villified and cursed as the root of all evil by nearly everyone else. What a great topic! It's edgy and relevant! I'm so smart!! Yay Weasel!
What quickly became apparent is that many, many volumes could be filled on the subject, including it's adoption and use by the military as the M-16 and the countless variants now produced by hundreds of manufacturers for the robust civilian market. The demand for aftermarket parts alone has created an entire accessories industry. So all of a sudden, this great idea started to look like a lot of work and therefore became both instantly unappealing and a thing to be avoided. How can I half-ass the gun thread for another week? Perhaps another look at the .38 Special? Well, come on down to the basement and let's see what we have in gun safe #3.In the beginning...
1977 Colt SP1
.223 Remington vs 5.56 NATO
Ho-lee-crap is this ever the mother of all topics for Internet Gun Forum Special Tactical Ops Secret Kung-fu Ninja Commando Experts (without a girlfriend). I will tell you this:
- they are similar but not identical
- the 5.56 NATO is loaded to a higher internal pressure and has slightly different dimensions
- different ammo behaves differently in different rifles because they are different (write this down)
- there you have it
- The End
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American Rifleman Article: AR-15 Build Your Own Video 1995 Colt AR-15 Manual
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Posted by: Gref at October 07, 2018 07:14 PM (AMIL/)
Posted by: Gref at October 07, 2018 07:15 PM (AMIL/)
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You should call those mags Short, Grande, and Venti.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at October 07, 2018 07:18 PM (kQs4Y)
Posted by: ALH at October 07, 2018 07:19 PM (dczB+)
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Still applicable:
I will cop to still watching TWD, but my question is not ammo, it's gas. Where are they still finding usable gas?
Posted by: All Hail Eris
Yep, gas not ammo is in short supply in the South.
The idea that there is a shortage of ammo in Georgia even 2 year out is stonking dumble fark.
I will cop to still watching TWD, but my question is not ammo, it's gas. Where are they still finding usable gas?
Posted by: All Hail Eris
Yep, gas not ammo is in short supply in the South.
The idea that there is a shortage of ammo in Georgia even 2 year out is stonking dumble fark.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 07, 2018 07:19 PM (c07y/)
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You should call those mags Short, Grande, and Venti.
In coffee I object to Venti because it just means twenty, as in ounces, in a Communist language that doesn't recognize ounces.
Here it could be short for "ventilate", so I approve.
In coffee I object to Venti because it just means twenty, as in ounces, in a Communist language that doesn't recognize ounces.
Here it could be short for "ventilate", so I approve.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 07, 2018 07:20 PM (fuK7c)
Posted by: Rick Grimes at October 07, 2018 07:20 PM (SjwtK)
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Could someone do a quick explanation on what, exactly a "Wylde chamber" is? I've seen it marketed sometimes as a feature on AR-pattern rifles that allows it to safely fire any .223 or 5.56x45 (accuracy due to barrel twist notwithstanding), but there has to be more to it than that or else they'd all just have it, right?
Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2018 07:21 PM (y87Qq)
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Going to the range tomorrow with my nephew. Looking to shoot his Beretta 92FS and his Glock 19.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at October 07, 2018 07:22 PM (YLciO)
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Okay. Perfect. I've been looking into getting an AR. and aparrently getting one built for 5.56 would be preferable. Cuz the Scheel's nearby has both kinds. the 5.56 are a little bit pricier, but not terribly so.
Food for thought.
Food for thought.
Posted by: Pug Mahon at October 07, 2018 07:22 PM (a914f)
Posted by: redc1c4 at October 07, 2018 07:22 PM (aB+qI)
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According to its owner and lurker, Mr. Thomas Needleman of 612 Crabapple Street, Lizard Lick, NV 86314
That is quite a nic.
That is quite a nic.
Posted by: t-bird at October 07, 2018 07:23 PM (DCYln)
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I haven't been to indoor range in almost a year, very sad really.
Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2018 07:23 PM (T4oHT)
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A former Army sniper taught me to load mags with 1-2 less than capacity for more reliable feeding, but to always make it either 1 or 2, so you knew where you were at with ammo supply.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at October 07, 2018 07:23 PM (I16G8)
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Oh nice, I see a reference to .224 which means another Moron should be running for cover.
But I bet that .224 is not the same as the .224 Valkyrie. Or is it?
But I bet that .224 is not the same as the .224 Valkyrie. Or is it?
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 07, 2018 07:24 PM (8Jf80)
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Leaving aside some of the U.S. military issue ammo which is overpressure by intention to wring out every bit of performance, the major difference in .223 and 5.56 is the throat. Luckygunner (an online ammo seller) has perhaps the best article on this in their lab section regarding real differences in firing the .223 and 5.56. The .223 Wylde chamber splits the difference between .223 and 5.56. However, reamers used for the .223, 5.56, and the .223 Wylde among the different companies vary, pressure variances among ammo mfgs, temperature when firing, and mfg. stacking tolerances between chamber and bolt can lead to different pressure and accuracy effects being observed in different rifles.
Regarding the old .38 Special. Everyone should have a revolver in this caliber and it is exceptionally easy to reload. My personal favorite is the Model 15 S&W K-Frame, fwiw although I recently acquired a Colt Official Police in this caliber as well from the fabulous fifties.
Regarding the old .38 Special. Everyone should have a revolver in this caliber and it is exceptionally easy to reload. My personal favorite is the Model 15 S&W K-Frame, fwiw although I recently acquired a Colt Official Police in this caliber as well from the fabulous fifties.
Posted by: whig at October 07, 2018 07:24 PM (ROzyM)
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Thanks, Weasel!
So, question for Teh Horde:
My personal firearms guru recommends rotating ammo/magazines on a semi-regular basis, which I try to do (not religiously). Thinking there's no *harm* in this, but is it really necessary/helpful?
So, question for Teh Horde:
My personal firearms guru recommends rotating ammo/magazines on a semi-regular basis, which I try to do (not religiously). Thinking there's no *harm* in this, but is it really necessary/helpful?
Posted by: ibguy at October 07, 2018 07:24 PM (vUcdz)
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8 Could someone do a quick explanation on what, exactly a "Wylde chamber" is? I've seen it marketed sometimes as a feature on AR-pattern rifles that allows it to safely fire any .223 or 5.56x45 (accuracy due to barrel twist notwithstanding), but there has to be more to it than that or else they'd all just have it, right?
Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2018 07:21 PM (y87Qq)
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Simply put, it's a compromise clambering between the two addressing pressure issues.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2018 07:21 PM (y87Qq)
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Simply put, it's a compromise clambering between the two addressing pressure issues.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 07:24 PM (MVjcR)
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I've been told that it is safe to fire .223 in a rifle chambered for 5.56mm, but not the reverse. Anyone know if this is true? Previously, I'd always heard they were interchangeable.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at October 07, 2018 07:24 PM (87EdW)
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That is quite a nic.
Posted by: t-bird
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*throws flag*
Everyone knows that Lizard Lick is in NC.
That is quite a nic.
Posted by: t-bird
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*throws flag*
Everyone knows that Lizard Lick is in NC.
Posted by: A Tarheel at October 07, 2018 07:25 PM (ZY9MN)
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The CMP 1911 order "sweepstakes" results should be known in 10-14 days. I'm in the hunt unless I made an error on my application.
CMP has not given an official date for emailing each applicant his/her queue number, but Oct. 18 was a rumor on CMP Forums a couple days ago.
Anyone else enter the 1911 sweepstakes?
CMP has not given an official date for emailing each applicant his/her queue number, but Oct. 18 was a rumor on CMP Forums a couple days ago.
Anyone else enter the 1911 sweepstakes?
Posted by: Gref at October 07, 2018 07:25 PM (AMIL/)
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 07, 2018 07:26 PM (/qEW2)
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Speaking of magazines at least no mention of the 100rd C-Mag which tries to make an AR-15 into a semi-auto LMG minus other needed modifications.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 07, 2018 07:26 PM (8Jf80)
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label the mags "extra small" "small" and "petite", just to F with the fascists.
and now, off to mess with the log splitter and chainsaw for a bit, having wasted most of the day doing other shit.
BBL.
and now, off to mess with the log splitter and chainsaw for a bit, having wasted most of the day doing other shit.
BBL.
Posted by: redc1c4 at October 07, 2018 07:26 PM (aB+qI)
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15 Oh nice, I see a reference to .224 which means another Moron should be running for cover.
But I bet that .224 is not the same as the .224 Valkyrie. Or is it?
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 07, 2018 07:24 PM (8Jf80)
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.224 is the actual diameter of the bullet for a rifle with a .223 barrel. The extra .001" forms a seal with the rifling.
But I bet that .224 is not the same as the .224 Valkyrie. Or is it?
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 07, 2018 07:24 PM (8Jf80)
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.224 is the actual diameter of the bullet for a rifle with a .223 barrel. The extra .001" forms a seal with the rifling.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 07:27 PM (MVjcR)
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Cuz the Scheel's nearby has both kinds.
I just went to a Scheel's on my thru Sparks, Nevada. My God, it's like Sporting Goods Disneyland in there! I've never seen anything like it, and I didn't have to pay admission to wander around for an hour or two with friends. (I don't even remember what we were looking for.)
I just went to a Scheel's on my thru Sparks, Nevada. My God, it's like Sporting Goods Disneyland in there! I've never seen anything like it, and I didn't have to pay admission to wander around for an hour or two with friends. (I don't even remember what we were looking for.)
Posted by: t-bird at October 07, 2018 07:27 PM (Ydn2k)
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Clambering = chambering
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 07:28 PM (g5Oh1)
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That 7.62x39 looks better balanced than the Blackout.
Posted by: Braenyard at October 07, 2018 07:28 PM (fgzLM)
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Actually, I have been to the range. Really, it's the levee across the highway from the soybean field. I'm at the age where I'm supposed to be thinning things down, and blam, I get drug in again. I was in a local shop, and they had Taurus Millenium G2 9mms for $220, tax included. Said shop was across the road from Wally World, and I went over there and bought a 100 ct box of Winchester . Stopped and worked out the Taurus (both mags, comes with a spare) and not one problem. Less Christmas shopping.
Posted by: bill in arkansas at October 07, 2018 07:28 PM (xzqr4)
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How can I half-ass the gun thread for another week? Perhaps another look at the .38 Special?
Do a thread on the Henry Big Boy Lever Action in .38/.357.
Do a thread on the Henry Big Boy Lever Action in .38/.357.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2018 07:28 PM (Ol/Jg)
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Well Weasel thanks for that. Huh.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 07, 2018 07:28 PM (8Jf80)
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.224 is the actual diameter of the bullet for a rifle with a .223 barrel. The extra .001" forms a seal with the rifling.
What are you talking about?
What are you talking about?
Posted by: .38 and .357 at October 07, 2018 07:29 PM (fuK7c)
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I honestly think there are far fewer anti-gun wackos than the media would have us believe. Certainly not nearly as many as there are happy AR owners.
So-called "gun control" is one of the oldest gaslighting ops going; I remember it from back in the 60's. Still not getting much traction, though.
So-called "gun control" is one of the oldest gaslighting ops going; I remember it from back in the 60's. Still not getting much traction, though.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at October 07, 2018 07:29 PM (58Au8)
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The Daily Timewaster weapon of the day, 1911
https://tinyurl.com/y9m58zbz
https://tinyurl.com/y9m58zbz
Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2018 07:29 PM (T4oHT)
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Simply put, it's a compromise clambering between the two addressing pressure issues.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 07:24 PM (MVjcR)
So it sounds like something a match-shooting handloader would decline but that would be a choice for someone who just wants an AR that will shoot whatever's on sale. Is that about right?
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 07:24 PM (MVjcR)
So it sounds like something a match-shooting handloader would decline but that would be a choice for someone who just wants an AR that will shoot whatever's on sale. Is that about right?
Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2018 07:29 PM (y87Qq)
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Re 8: The major difference is that the .223 Wylde has a longer throat than does the .223 which was originally designed for light varminting bullets, but is shorter than the long throat (transition between chamber and barrel rifling) used in the 5.56. Believed to be the best of both worlds accuracy and pressure wise.
Handloaders often try to seat bullets as close to the rifle's lands without touching because it is believed to be more accurate in general. Thus, a shorter throat is believed to generally contribute to more accuracy. In semi-autos though, it is generally better to have a safety margin because jamming a bullet into the barrel rifling can cause a kaboom from overpressure or depending on the crimp (or lack thereof) can lead to bullet setback and overpressure events as well.
Handloaders often try to seat bullets as close to the rifle's lands without touching because it is believed to be more accurate in general. Thus, a shorter throat is believed to generally contribute to more accuracy. In semi-autos though, it is generally better to have a safety margin because jamming a bullet into the barrel rifling can cause a kaboom from overpressure or depending on the crimp (or lack thereof) can lead to bullet setback and overpressure events as well.
Posted by: whig at October 07, 2018 07:30 PM (ROzyM)
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This brings up an interesting issue with 7.62 and .308- I've heard that some of the bolt action 7.62x39 offerings in the United States (I think Ruger made one some years back) actually used the same barrels as .308, versus European manufacturers like CZ, resulting in slightly less inherently accurate rifles, since 7.62 is actually .311. Heard the same thing about American manufactured ammo (they just use .308 bullets) Anyone know if this is true.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at October 07, 2018 07:30 PM (87EdW)
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I'm starting to regard AR-15's like golfers regard clubs. Maybe I should start referring to my "things that go bump in the night" shooter (yes, it has a flashlight) as a 9 iron and my "coyote mid-range" shooter as a 3 iron. Soon I'm going to need an AR-15 caddy.
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at October 07, 2018 07:30 PM (lApJ5)
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Damn. On a plane getting ready to take off. Gonna miss the thread
Shot an AR 15 for the first time last Friday. Also a Beretta and a Glock. Only the second time I've flown red a gun. Last time was 20 years ago. Hubby already has something on my Christmas list for me. Will have to take part in a few discussions here so I can narrow down what I want. Handgun not a rifle. Have fun horde.
Shot an AR 15 for the first time last Friday. Also a Beretta and a Glock. Only the second time I've flown red a gun. Last time was 20 years ago. Hubby already has something on my Christmas list for me. Will have to take part in a few discussions here so I can narrow down what I want. Handgun not a rifle. Have fun horde.
Posted by: Never enough caffeine at October 07, 2018 07:31 PM (09o6V)
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Don't forget that Stoner was a master machinist, and as such he created a firearm with very few tolerance stack ups. This makes the platform very forgiving to many aftermarket parts, and build your own with no gunsmithing, or fitting of parts needed.
Posted by: StephanA at October 07, 2018 07:31 PM (ffv4o)
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Fired a gun. Damn phone.
Posted by: Never enough caffeine at October 07, 2018 07:31 PM (09o6V)
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Weasel, what do you think of a IWI Tavor?
There is a left-handed one I'm going to look at.
And a topic for another day is sights. Electronic or glass?
There is a left-handed one I'm going to look at.
And a topic for another day is sights. Electronic or glass?
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 07, 2018 07:32 PM (hyuyC)
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So - do I get a SIG P365 despite the problems, or a CZ 2075 RAMI BD?
Posted by: Skookumchuk at October 07, 2018 07:32 PM (CeJUf)
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Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2018 07:29 PM (y87Qq)
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That's about right. Personally I don't worry much about it. The SP1 has .223 engraved on the receiver and 5.56 on the barrel.
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That's about right. Personally I don't worry much about it. The SP1 has .223 engraved on the receiver and 5.56 on the barrel.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 07:33 PM (g5Oh1)
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Fired a gun. Damn phone.
Posted by: Never enough caffeine at October 07, 2018 07:31 PM (09o6V)
That poor phone.
Thank you for the explanations, whig and Weasel.
Posted by: Never enough caffeine at October 07, 2018 07:31 PM (09o6V)
That poor phone.
Thank you for the explanations, whig and Weasel.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2018 07:33 PM (y87Qq)
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This brings up an interesting issue with 7.62 and .308- I've heard that some of the bolt action 7.62x39 offerings in the United States (I think Ruger made one some years back) actually used the same barrels as .308, versus European manufacturers like CZ, resulting in slightly less inherently accurate rifles, since 7.62 is actually .311. Heard the same thing about American manufactured ammo (they just use .308 bullets) Anyone know if this is true.
Posted by: Farmer Bob
Head space?
Posted by: Farmer Bob
Head space?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 07, 2018 07:33 PM (c07y/)
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The second greatest travesty ever inflicted upon the M-16 was when the US Air Force decided to make them .22LR plinkers for basic training.
What does the Horde think of as the greatest travesty ever inflicted upon the M-16/M-4 family?
What does the Horde think of as the greatest travesty ever inflicted upon the M-16/M-4 family?
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 07, 2018 07:34 PM (8Jf80)
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Got a Henry .410 lever action last week. It is a beauty.
Posted by: Ronster at October 07, 2018 07:34 PM (rW4va)
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19, Farmer Bob,
The luckygunner article on their website covers this in detail but the short of it,safe to fire .223 in a 5.56 or .223 Wylde chamber (supposedly a slight decrease in accuracy), depending on the ammo, bolt, rifling, etc. firing a 5.56 in a .223 chamber can cause overpressure events but that is not assured. Chamber pressure depends on a lot of variables so it might or might not cause a problem in your particular rifle. For that reason, mfgs. are moving to the .223 Wylde and the 5.56 in barrels. You can still get a AR .223 barrel but they are noticeably fewer than a couple of years ago.
The luckygunner article on their website covers this in detail but the short of it,safe to fire .223 in a 5.56 or .223 Wylde chamber (supposedly a slight decrease in accuracy), depending on the ammo, bolt, rifling, etc. firing a 5.56 in a .223 chamber can cause overpressure events but that is not assured. Chamber pressure depends on a lot of variables so it might or might not cause a problem in your particular rifle. For that reason, mfgs. are moving to the .223 Wylde and the 5.56 in barrels. You can still get a AR .223 barrel but they are noticeably fewer than a couple of years ago.
Posted by: whig at October 07, 2018 07:35 PM (ROzyM)
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What does the Horde think of as the greatest travesty ever inflicted upon the M-16/M-4 family?
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 07, 2018 07:34 PM (8Jf80)
California-compliant stocks?
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 07, 2018 07:34 PM (8Jf80)
California-compliant stocks?
Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2018 07:36 PM (y87Qq)
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Gun related:
Ya think Tia Carrera likes guns?
Ya think Tia Carrera likes guns?
Posted by: klaftern at October 07, 2018 07:36 PM (RuIsu)
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as a 9 iron and my "coyote mid-range" shooter as a 3 iron.
This is not a bad idea. Your "driver" for when you've got 300 yards to the target, etc.
Definitely need a cart, though, because you get to carry 14 clubs.
This is not a bad idea. Your "driver" for when you've got 300 yards to the target, etc.
Definitely need a cart, though, because you get to carry 14 clubs.
Posted by: t-bird at October 07, 2018 07:36 PM (QrTqV)
Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2018 07:36 PM (T4oHT)
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Would the M-4 be the putter in that cart?
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 07, 2018 07:37 PM (8Jf80)
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42 Weasel, what do you think of a IWI Tavor?
There is a left-handed one I'm going to look at.
And a topic for another day is sights. Electronic or glass?
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 07, 2018 07:32 PM (hyuyC)
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They're Israeli, right? The funny looking one? I really don't know anything about them, sorry!
There is a left-handed one I'm going to look at.
And a topic for another day is sights. Electronic or glass?
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 07, 2018 07:32 PM (hyuyC)
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They're Israeli, right? The funny looking one? I really don't know anything about them, sorry!
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 07:37 PM (g5Oh1)
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46- it's necked down, so it (I assume) headspaces on the shoulder, so the .03 difference won't matter there, I think.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at October 07, 2018 07:37 PM (87EdW)
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"when using subsonic ammo it is so quiet you can hear the buffer spring inside the buffer tube"
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I can hear the spring with supersonic ammo and WITHOUT a suppressor.
SPROING! It's the sound of freedom.
(And if it's only a half-sproing, you're empty. The sproing is a feature, not a bug.)
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I can hear the spring with supersonic ammo and WITHOUT a suppressor.
SPROING! It's the sound of freedom.
(And if it's only a half-sproing, you're empty. The sproing is a feature, not a bug.)
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at October 07, 2018 07:38 PM (j4zcI)
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Gub thread!
Gavintoobe has a good .223 vs. 5.56 fact versus fiction video out. Its worth a watch.
https://youtu.be/VCS4fXFmCyA
Gavintoobe has a good .223 vs. 5.56 fact versus fiction video out. Its worth a watch.
https://youtu.be/VCS4fXFmCyA
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 07, 2018 07:38 PM (5jVnA)
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Eugene Stoner and Mikhail Kalishnikov, not quite John Moses Browning. But close.
Posted by: Eromero at October 07, 2018 07:38 PM (zLDYs)
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Huh.... my SKS gets 40 round mags, always... I love high capacity mags.... my KelTec 30 is... 30 rounds.... my Berretta 92 has a 30 round extended mag( I actually shoot better with the 30 round mag).... I WANT an A- 20 shotgun, because, uh, duck hunting, that's it.....
Posted by: kraken at October 07, 2018 07:38 PM (DpEis)
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Or instead of trying to compromise the overall performance of your AR-15 pattern rifle you stick with the one ammo that reliably works with it.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 07, 2018 07:39 PM (8Jf80)
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The second greatest travesty ever inflicted upon the M-16 was when the US Air Force decided to make them .22LR plinkers for basic training.
What does the Horde think of as the greatest travesty ever inflicted upon the M-16/M-4 family?
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 07, 2018 07:34 PM
The M16.
What does the Horde think of as the greatest travesty ever inflicted upon the M-16/M-4 family?
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 07, 2018 07:34 PM
The M16.
Posted by: otho at October 07, 2018 07:39 PM (LkFnL)
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Farmer Bob, the Ruger Mini-Thirty used .308 barrels until sometime in the 1990's. Why is up to argument but some claim that the American 7.62x39 ammo at the time simply used .308 bullets as it was a boutique round. Others claim that Ruger had a bunch of .308 blanks from an abortive 7.62 Mini rifle project. Ruger did include warnings not to use foreign ammo which was .311 at the time in the Mini Thirty manual.
Quite a few handloaders use .308 bullets to reload the 7.62x39 in order to save costs. Might be fine if you use flat based bullets, not so good with boat tails.
Quite a few handloaders use .308 bullets to reload the 7.62x39 in order to save costs. Might be fine if you use flat based bullets, not so good with boat tails.
Posted by: whig at October 07, 2018 07:40 PM (ROzyM)
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Otho need to be more specific.
Are you referring to when the US Army changed the powder formula to Ball type which lead to fouling and jamming in the jungles of Vietnam?
Are you referring to when the US Army changed the powder formula to Ball type which lead to fouling and jamming in the jungles of Vietnam?
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 07, 2018 07:40 PM (8Jf80)
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.22 plinkers.... I have thousands of rounds of .22, and have lost all interest in my .22s.... someone is gonna get some free ammo, I guess...
Posted by: kraken at October 07, 2018 07:40 PM (DpEis)
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63- Thanks, Whig!
Posted by: Farmer Bob at October 07, 2018 07:41 PM (87EdW)
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I've been told that it is safe to fire .223 in a rifle chambered for 5.56mm, but not the reverse. Anyone know if this is true? Previously, I'd always heard they were interchangeable.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at October 07, 2018 07:24 PM (87EdW)
That's a safe rule-of-thumb, but it's a complicated subject. My understanding is the safety issue is firing military-spec 5.56 in a .223, because military ammo is may be loaded such that it will exceed commercial .223 chamber pressure maximum.
Here's the LuckyGunner article mentioned in an earlier comment. Looong.
https://tinyurl.com/y8x8nvc9
Posted by: Farmer Bob at October 07, 2018 07:24 PM (87EdW)
That's a safe rule-of-thumb, but it's a complicated subject. My understanding is the safety issue is firing military-spec 5.56 in a .223, because military ammo is may be loaded such that it will exceed commercial .223 chamber pressure maximum.
Here's the LuckyGunner article mentioned in an earlier comment. Looong.
https://tinyurl.com/y8x8nvc9
Posted by: Gref at October 07, 2018 07:41 PM (AMIL/)
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Everything pictured in this thread is pretty much illegal here in Commiefornia. 
Posted by: Boofffffperch at October 07, 2018 07:41 PM (WyU9y)
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> have you been to the range?
Yeah, got out Tuesday.
I was able to more-or-less adjust the sights on my SW22 victory and got some pretty good results (for me).
Last target was a 10 round 1.5" group at 7 yards .... and the group was centered on bullseye! Waaaay better than I've shot before.
Yeah, got out Tuesday.
I was able to more-or-less adjust the sights on my SW22 victory and got some pretty good results (for me).
Last target was a 10 round 1.5" group at 7 yards .... and the group was centered on bullseye! Waaaay better than I've shot before.
Posted by: ArthurK at October 07, 2018 07:41 PM (O29hh)
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I can hear the spring with supersonic ammo and WITHOUT a suppressor.
Me too, IF I'm wearing head-phone-type ear protection that touch the stock. With foam earplugs I can't hear it.
Me too, IF I'm wearing head-phone-type ear protection that touch the stock. With foam earplugs I can't hear it.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 07, 2018 07:41 PM (bZ7mE)
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48 Got a Henry .410 lever action last week. It is a beauty.
Posted by: Ronster at October 07, 2018 07:34 PM (rW4va)
Got a .410 double a few weeks back. Its a truck gun beater made in spain, bun external hammers and shiny bores.
Posted by: Ronster at October 07, 2018 07:34 PM (rW4va)
Got a .410 double a few weeks back. Its a truck gun beater made in spain, bun external hammers and shiny bores.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 07, 2018 07:41 PM (5jVnA)
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Hawaii is 6.7% and 50 of 51 can't figure out which is 51
Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2018 07:42 PM (T4oHT)
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_ ...{{{heavenly choir}}}
...John Moses Browning. ...
Posted by: Eromero at October 07, 2018 07:38 PM (zLDYs)
...John Moses Browning. ...
Posted by: Eromero at October 07, 2018 07:38 PM (zLDYs)
Posted by: Braenyard at October 07, 2018 07:42 PM (fgzLM)
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Here's the LuckyGunner article mentioned in an earlier comment. Looong.
https://tinyurl.com/y8x8nvc9
Posted by: Gref at October 07, 2018 07:41 PM (AMIL/)
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Thanks. I was going to link that article in the post and forgot.
Here's the LuckyGunner article mentioned in an earlier comment. Looong.
https://tinyurl.com/y8x8nvc9
Posted by: Gref at October 07, 2018 07:41 PM (AMIL/)
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Thanks. I was going to link that article in the post and forgot.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 07:42 PM (g5Oh1)
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The early Colt Sporters were green labels and then Colt got scared before the ban and started producing the blue labels with a sear block left in the lower. I have an original Green label I bought when I was in High School.
Posted by: DBCooper at October 07, 2018 07:42 PM (bttOm)
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Weasel, what do you think of a IWI Tavor?
There is a left-handed one I'm going to look at.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 07, 2018 07:32 PM (hyuyC)
See what you think of the magazine release and the trigger. I've heard a lot of complaints about inadvertent mag drops when they first came out but they may have redesigned it to correct that. And bullpups have a reputation for long numb trigger pulls because of the geometries involved with tripping a sear 18" back from the trigger but I can't say I've ever fired one so I don't know.
I'd be interested in hearing your impressions from a test drive though.
There is a left-handed one I'm going to look at.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 07, 2018 07:32 PM (hyuyC)
See what you think of the magazine release and the trigger. I've heard a lot of complaints about inadvertent mag drops when they first came out but they may have redesigned it to correct that. And bullpups have a reputation for long numb trigger pulls because of the geometries involved with tripping a sear 18" back from the trigger but I can't say I've ever fired one so I don't know.
I'd be interested in hearing your impressions from a test drive though.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2018 07:42 PM (y87Qq)
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I bought my first AR-15 a few weeks ago and have a few hundred rounds through it now. By contrast I have been an AK owner for years and have fired several thousands through them. While I prefer the AK's I have to say the AR is growing on me.
Posted by: Guzalot at October 07, 2018 07:43 PM (schB/)
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Ya think Tia Carrera likes guns?
Posted by: klaftern at October 07, 2018 07:36 PM (RuIsu)
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If so, I suspect I have enough guns but nowhere near enough money.
Posted by: klaftern at October 07, 2018 07:36 PM (RuIsu)
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If so, I suspect I have enough guns but nowhere near enough money.
Posted by: Moron Robbie's Beach Friends at October 07, 2018 07:44 PM (QQsm2)
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Just finished a letter from a Fuddled in the latest Guns & Ammo. He was complaining about stupid ugly guns nobody needs (Mossberg 590M with a 20-round mag). He complains they are fodder for the gun grabbers. Idiots don't realize next on the list are their practical, beautiful, useful bolt action rifles, i.e., long range sniper rifles.
Posted by: Butch at October 07, 2018 07:45 PM (hXu8T)
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Hey Weasel,
David Harsanyi just had an inteview with The Federalist about his new book FIRST FREEDOM: A Ride Through America's Enduring History with the Gun
on Federalist Radio :
How about the first ever AoSHQ gun podcast? HMMMMMMMMMMM?
David Harsanyi just had an inteview with The Federalist about his new book FIRST FREEDOM: A Ride Through America's Enduring History with the Gun
on Federalist Radio :
How about the first ever AoSHQ gun podcast? HMMMMMMMMMMM?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 07, 2018 07:45 PM (c07y/)
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Remember, she's 29 now, too.
Remember, she's 29 now, too.Posted by: klaftern at October 07, 2018 07:45 PM (RuIsu)
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Unfortunately can't linger here now, but will repeat that I have two AR lower receivers (stripped) to build out, and it will happen - some day. Plan to built it all myself, looks fairly simple. Only hard part will be choosing which parts in some cases, where there are many options. First one will be carbine-length (probably with mid-length gas system), 1/7 twist, 5.56, iron sights.
Will look back here later tonight to see what the Horde hath wrought.
Great post, Weasel!
Will look back here later tonight to see what the Horde hath wrought.
Great post, Weasel!
Posted by: rhomboid at October 07, 2018 07:45 PM (QDnY+)
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M-16 is the gun that goes 'sproing"
Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 07, 2018 07:46 PM (1g7ch)
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Grabbed an M1 Carbine-style stock last year from Sarco for the Ruger 10/22, with sling and oiler, for $75. Put a set of Tech Sights on it and it's a pretty neat facsimile. With the BX-25 mags it's more M2 than M1, but whatever.
They're out of stock now, but another company (E. Arthur Brown) makes a similar product.
Sarco also makes a folding-stock paratrooper version for $150. I'm tempted.
Even if you don't want to go the full faux-M1 route, those Tech Sights are the bee's knees. Removing the Ruger front sight is a bitch (I busted out the Dremel), but totally worth it.
I've heard there are people that don't own a Ruger 10/22, but I don't believe it.
They're out of stock now, but another company (E. Arthur Brown) makes a similar product.
Sarco also makes a folding-stock paratrooper version for $150. I'm tempted.
Even if you don't want to go the full faux-M1 route, those Tech Sights are the bee's knees. Removing the Ruger front sight is a bitch (I busted out the Dremel), but totally worth it.
I've heard there are people that don't own a Ruger 10/22, but I don't believe it.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at October 07, 2018 07:47 PM (j4zcI)
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Otho need to be more specific.
Are you referring to when the US Army changed the powder formula to Ball type which lead to fouling and jamming in the jungles of Vietnam?
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 07, 2018 07:40 PM
I guess so. That didn't help during that time. I had it's uses from on occasion, but I didn't fathom why?... when there was a perfectly good rifle in the M14. It just seemed fall between roles, not stepping up in any. Handy sometimes, though. Just wouldn't want to be stuck with it in a section.
Are you referring to when the US Army changed the powder formula to Ball type which lead to fouling and jamming in the jungles of Vietnam?
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 07, 2018 07:40 PM
I guess so. That didn't help during that time. I had it's uses from on occasion, but I didn't fathom why?... when there was a perfectly good rifle in the M14. It just seemed fall between roles, not stepping up in any. Handy sometimes, though. Just wouldn't want to be stuck with it in a section.
Posted by: otho at October 07, 2018 07:47 PM (LkFnL)
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79 Just finished a letter from a Fuddled in the latest Guns & Ammo. He was complaining about stupid ugly guns nobody needs (Mossberg 590M with a 20-round mag). He complains they are fodder for the gun grabbers. Idiots don't realize next on the list are their practical, beautiful, useful bolt action rifles, i.e., long range sniper rifles.
Posted by: Butch
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I have no use for Fudd's. *spit*
Posted by: Butch
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I have no use for Fudd's. *spit*
Posted by: Guzalot at October 07, 2018 07:47 PM (schB/)
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Fudd, not Fuddled. Effing autocucumber!
Posted by: Butch at October 07, 2018 07:47 PM (hXu8T)
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Timely subject, Weasel. My club is offering members a class in AR safety, shooting technique and maintainence. The class filled up in less than two days. Most have an AR-style rifle but little experience with them. I'm looking forward to it. A lot of us regard the Garand as a recent innovation so some class and range time with the AR will be helpful.
Is the AR really called "America's rifle"? I thought that should be the Pennsylvania/Kentucky rifle and the Hawken. They were developed to meet the needs of the early colonists in the east and the explorers west of the Mississippi. Of course, as many people know, I am peculiar.
Is the AR really called "America's rifle"? I thought that should be the Pennsylvania/Kentucky rifle and the Hawken. They were developed to meet the needs of the early colonists in the east and the explorers west of the Mississippi. Of course, as many people know, I am peculiar.
Posted by: JTB at October 07, 2018 07:48 PM (V+03K)
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How about the first ever AoSHQ gun podcast? HMMMMMMMMMMM?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 07, 2018 07:45 PM (c07y/)
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I sound like a chipmunk when I speak so I better stick to writing!
How about the first ever AoSHQ gun podcast? HMMMMMMMMMMM?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 07, 2018 07:45 PM (c07y/)
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I sound like a chipmunk when I speak so I better stick to writing!
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 07:48 PM (g5Oh1)
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Elmer Fuddled always got the Fudd tricked out of him by Bugs Bunny
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 07, 2018 07:49 PM (8Jf80)
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rhomboid,
There are some tools that make things easier to assemble--it is not that difficult but there are a few tricks involved. Now is the time to at least buy some of the parts before the elections.
My hobby is gunsmithing and restoring old military rifles and the AR is a bit special and a bit different in the tools that it takes.
There are some tools that make things easier to assemble--it is not that difficult but there are a few tricks involved. Now is the time to at least buy some of the parts before the elections.
My hobby is gunsmithing and restoring old military rifles and the AR is a bit special and a bit different in the tools that it takes.
Posted by: whig at October 07, 2018 07:49 PM (ROzyM)
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Idiot at the gun range (video)
https://gunfreezone.net/index.php/2018/10/07/idiot-at-the-gun-range-fb-video/
https://gunfreezone.net/index.php/2018/10/07/idiot-at-the-gun-range-fb-video/
Posted by: Guzalot at October 07, 2018 07:49 PM (schB/)
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Is the AR really called "America's rifle"?
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I read it on the internet so I think it's true!!
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I read it on the internet so I think it's true!!
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 07:50 PM (g5Oh1)
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I sound like a chipmunk when I speak so I better stick to writing!
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 07:48 PM (g5Oh1)
Sam Elliott plays you in The Weasel Diaries, maybe they can wrangle a podcast into the next contract negotiation.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 07:48 PM (g5Oh1)
Sam Elliott plays you in The Weasel Diaries, maybe they can wrangle a podcast into the next contract negotiation.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2018 07:50 PM (y87Qq)
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83 M-16 is the gun that goes 'sproing"
Posted by: Burnt Toast
I had an AR15-A1 (all internals stamped with a "C" and triangular hand guards) that would sproing.
Posted by: Burnt Toast
I had an AR15-A1 (all internals stamped with a "C" and triangular hand guards) that would sproing.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2018 07:50 PM (Ol/Jg)
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>>> 48 Got a Henry .410 lever action last week. It is a beauty.
Posted by: Ronster at October 07, 2018 07:34 PM (rW4va)
So jealous...
Can anyone recommend a book (or books) where I can learn a bit more about various feature of gubs? I'm not a "journalist" -- I know revolvers from semi-auto and full auto, but what is striker fired telling me? Should I want the Ruger AR variant bc it has an adjustable piston (er, something's adjustable...)? What's so great about a Weatherby bolt? And so on.
Thanks in advance...
Posted by: Ronster at October 07, 2018 07:34 PM (rW4va)
So jealous...
Can anyone recommend a book (or books) where I can learn a bit more about various feature of gubs? I'm not a "journalist" -- I know revolvers from semi-auto and full auto, but what is striker fired telling me? Should I want the Ruger AR variant bc it has an adjustable piston (er, something's adjustable...)? What's so great about a Weatherby bolt? And so on.
Thanks in advance...
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 07, 2018 07:50 PM (0ReGO)
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Rhomboid, building ARs is addictive. I built two, one each for my son and daughter (NY & CA compliant). I just finished an AR-15 pistol with quick detach barrel and folding stabilizing brace. I have two more sets of lowers and uppers waiting.
Posted by: Butch at October 07, 2018 07:51 PM (hXu8T)
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Great post, Weasel!
Posted by: rhomboid at October 07, 2018 07:45 PM (QDnY+)
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Thanks amigo! And building your own is easy. Brownells has a great video series on it, too.
Great post, Weasel!
Posted by: rhomboid at October 07, 2018 07:45 PM (QDnY+)
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Thanks amigo! And building your own is easy. Brownells has a great video series on it, too.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 07:52 PM (g5Oh1)
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Is the AR really called "America's rifle"? I thought that should be the Pennsylvania/Kentucky rifle and the Hawken. They were developed to meet the needs of the early colonists in the east and the explorers west of the Mississippi. Of course, as many people know, I am peculiar.
What really gets my goat is Knight referring to themselves as "America's Muzzleloader." Just ignore that first couple centuries...
What really gets my goat is Knight referring to themselves as "America's Muzzleloader." Just ignore that first couple centuries...
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 07, 2018 07:52 PM (bZ7mE)
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Wonder if it's getting time for a universal carry case to come up into the SC or better to wait until RBG plants daisies?
Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2018 07:53 PM (T4oHT)
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 07, 2018 07:53 PM (8Jf80)
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Posted by: kraken at October 07, 2018 07:40 PM (DpEis)
I don't understand the words in that order.
Need a disposal address? I can hook you up.
I don't understand the words in that order.
Need a disposal address? I can hook you up.
Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at October 07, 2018 07:53 PM (C1NyB)
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Mmmmm....gun thread.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 07, 2018 07:53 PM (8dJfY)
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Took our new 6.5 Creedmoor out for opening weekend of antelope season. Wow what a round.
My son got a nice buck at 350 yards!
My son got a nice buck at 350 yards!
Posted by: Morphine1 at October 07, 2018 07:53 PM (5I3Jd)
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I sound like a chipmunk when I speak so I better stick to writing!
Posted by: Weasel
That's never stopped anyone.
'Sides it's the choice of microphone and that's the story i'm sticking to.
Posted by: Weasel
That's never stopped anyone.
'Sides it's the choice of microphone and that's the story i'm sticking to.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 07, 2018 07:53 PM (c07y/)
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Weasel, I just sent an e-mail to the guns at happyplacearsenal and it got bounced.
Would you mind sending me an e-mail (address in nick)?
I tried to send you pictures of a tacticool AR-15 cupholder.
Would you mind sending me an e-mail (address in nick)?
I tried to send you pictures of a tacticool AR-15 cupholder.
Posted by: Butch at October 07, 2018 07:55 PM (hXu8T)
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Mmm...gunzzz
Posted by: Insomniac at October 07, 2018 07:55 PM (NWiLs)
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I guess so. That didn't help during that time. I had it's uses from on
occasion, but I didn't fathom why?... when there was a perfectly good
rifle in the M14. It just seemed fall between roles, not stepping up in
any. Handy sometimes, though. Just wouldn't want to be stuck with it in a
section.
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Twelve pounds vs 7.5 doesn't sound like much until you hike it for a few days.
I qualified on the M-14 and M-16. I prefer the 14 for shooting but the 16 for hiking.
occasion, but I didn't fathom why?... when there was a perfectly good
rifle in the M14. It just seemed fall between roles, not stepping up in
any. Handy sometimes, though. Just wouldn't want to be stuck with it in a
section.
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Twelve pounds vs 7.5 doesn't sound like much until you hike it for a few days.
I qualified on the M-14 and M-16. I prefer the 14 for shooting but the 16 for hiking.
Posted by: Ranger Dave at October 07, 2018 07:56 PM (AQVpU)
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Butch - try squishing all that together
Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2018 07:56 PM (T4oHT)
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Wonder if it's getting time for a universal carry case to come up into the SC or better to wait until RBG plants daisies?
Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2018 07:53 PM (T4oHT)
Soon.
Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2018 07:53 PM (T4oHT)
Soon.
Posted by: Young v. Hawaii at October 07, 2018 07:57 PM (WyU9y)
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Helena - it was written in 1979, and addresses literally none of your questions, but absolutely the best primer on guns and their history/operation is Ian V. Hogg's "Guns and How They Work." Widely available and cheap on the used market (i.e., Amazon.)
Lots and lots of pretty pictures, too.
Lots and lots of pretty pictures, too.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at October 07, 2018 07:57 PM (j4zcI)
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Dodgers in hotlanta, I guess they won't scoreline will they?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 07, 2018 07:58 PM (OoMmn)
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Weasel,
Thanks for the thread. Another +1 for the Brownells series if you like videos or ar15.com is the home of all things AR. Also check out thehighroad.org for all things that go boom.
Thanks for the thread. Another +1 for the Brownells series if you like videos or ar15.com is the home of all things AR. Also check out thehighroad.org for all things that go boom.
Posted by: whig at October 07, 2018 07:58 PM (ROzyM)
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Bbl. Driving thru a turd floater.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2018 07:58 PM (Ol/Jg)
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AR's and Glocks are like Lays potato chips.
Posted by: Eromero at October 07, 2018 07:59 PM (zLDYs)
Posted by: ibguy at October 07, 2018 07:59 PM (vUcdz)
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Butch - you've got mail
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 07:59 PM (g5Oh1)
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Gunga la gunga.
Posted by: JT at October 07, 2018 07:59 PM (0V1ed)
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If you want to know how how modern firearms work, the US military put out a really nice video on the subject back in the day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJzXG7MYX1c
Makes a good primer even today.
Makes a good primer even today.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 07, 2018 08:00 PM (bZ7mE)
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Twelve pounds vs 7.5 doesn't sound like much until you hike it for a few days.
I qualified on the M-14 and M-16. I prefer the 14 for shooting but the 16 for hiking.
Posted by: Ranger Dave at October 07, 2018 07:56 PM
Oh yeah. The weight was good for a combat rifle. That was it's biggest plus.
I qualified on the M-14 and M-16. I prefer the 14 for shooting but the 16 for hiking.
Posted by: Ranger Dave at October 07, 2018 07:56 PM
Oh yeah. The weight was good for a combat rifle. That was it's biggest plus.
Posted by: otho at October 07, 2018 08:00 PM (LkFnL)
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AR's and Glocks are like Lays potato chips.
Posted by: Eromero
Oddly, I don't want to know how this narrative ends.
Posted by: Eromero
Oddly, I don't want to know how this narrative ends.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 07, 2018 08:00 PM (c07y/)
Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2018 08:00 PM (Ol/Jg)
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at October 07, 2018 08:01 PM (j4zcI)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 07, 2018 08:01 PM (c07y/)
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the more they talk of banning the ar pattern rifle the more of them i build
in the last 3 years ive gone from owning zero to owning six:a 16" midlength gas carbine 5.562 10.5" pistols 5.56an 18" mk 12 spr clone 5.56a 16" carbine .300 blka 20" 6.5 creedmoornext on the list is an 18" 6.5 grendel
in the last 3 years ive gone from owning zero to owning six:a 16" midlength gas carbine 5.562 10.5" pistols 5.56an 18" mk 12 spr clone 5.56a 16" carbine .300 blka 20" 6.5 creedmoornext on the list is an 18" 6.5 grendel
Posted by: sound awake at October 07, 2018 08:02 PM (PmOM1)
Posted by: The Dalai Lama at October 07, 2018 08:02 PM (8dJfY)
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Another reason I like to use smaller capacity AR magazines - keeps me from wasting QUITE so much ammunition by slowing me down just a bit. Of course, my husband does all my reloading so I'm not really worried about running out, but...
Posted by: Antisocialist at October 07, 2018 08:02 PM (2shuf)
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I love that, go doyers
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 07, 2018 08:04 PM (OoMmn)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 07, 2018 08:05 PM (c07y/)
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Found 51 of 51, DC 3.6%, just the body guards
Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2018 08:05 PM (T4oHT)
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AK magazines can be loaded to full capacity because they rock into the rifle and the shells are compressed into the mag from back to front. AR magazines should leave out one or two shells because when seated in the rifle, they do not compress straight and can jam if the mag spring doesn't have sufficient room.
AKs are a real piece of junk but I still prefer them to my ARs. Just sayin'.
AKs are a real piece of junk but I still prefer them to my ARs. Just sayin'.
Posted by: oldgeezer at October 07, 2018 08:05 PM (4pPcl)
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Well, weft C-loop @121, it's hard to stop at just one, yo?
Posted by: Eromero at October 07, 2018 08:05 PM (zLDYs)
133
125
the more they talk of banning the ar pattern rifle the more of them i build
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Same here. Knew nothing and had no interest. Once the ban talk started, I figured I should see what all the hub-bub was about. When I learned you could easily build your own, in multiple calibers and configurations, I was hooked.
Now I've got three lowers and (counts in his head) seven uppers. Middy, carbines, rifles in 9mm, 5.56, .300 Blackout. Modern and retro.
Black Rifle Disease.
the more they talk of banning the ar pattern rifle the more of them i build
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Same here. Knew nothing and had no interest. Once the ban talk started, I figured I should see what all the hub-bub was about. When I learned you could easily build your own, in multiple calibers and configurations, I was hooked.
Now I've got three lowers and (counts in his head) seven uppers. Middy, carbines, rifles in 9mm, 5.56, .300 Blackout. Modern and retro.
Black Rifle Disease.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at October 07, 2018 08:06 PM (j4zcI)
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I'm thinking Ammunition to Go and Lucky Gunner are the same shop now. Their stocks of ammo are identical for 338 Lapua, and have been for some now. Likewise with the more common rounds.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (All my hate cannot be found) at October 07, 2018 08:07 PM (l7Kbv)
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Guzalot, I watched that video. The nitwit was lucky the range officer didn't knock his dick in the dirt. Must have been a rental because he left it on the bench when he went.
Posted by: Old Blue at October 07, 2018 08:07 PM (gEvQ8)
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Dodgers in hotlanta, I guess they won't scoreline will they?
We'd love it if LA sweeps the Barves.
We'd love it if LA sweeps the Barves.
Posted by: The 2018 ("Hindenburg") Phillies at October 07, 2018 08:07 PM (3C9q2)
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99$% chance Atalanta scores a run today
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 07, 2018 08:10 PM (OoMmn)
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Full disclosure.... though I love guns, do not own an AR...... does this mean that I should seek professional help????
Posted by: kraken at October 07, 2018 08:11 PM (DpEis)
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132 Well, weft C-loop @121, it's hard to stop at just one, yo?
Posted by: Eromero
Imma wait for the mass ditching of the P320 by the mil in two years.
Posted by: Eromero
Imma wait for the mass ditching of the P320 by the mil in two years.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 07, 2018 08:11 PM (c07y/)
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Until they put in a chrome chamber /bore the M-16 was a suicide weapon.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at October 07, 2018 08:11 PM (2DOZq)
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Found 51 of 51, DC 3.6%, just the body guards
Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2018 08:05 PM (T4oHT)
I own a gun too!
Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2018 08:05 PM (T4oHT)
I own a gun too!
Posted by: Dick Heller at October 07, 2018 08:11 PM (WyU9y)
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I jumped ugly on a guy at my range because he was walking around with pistol in hand sweeping everybody. His response was "It's not loaded." The RSOs there don't do a thorough job of watching folks and correcting bad behavior.
Posted by: Butch at October 07, 2018 08:11 PM (hXu8T)
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.224 is the actual diameter of the bullet for a rifle with a .223 barrel. The extra .001" forms a seal with the rifling.
Posted by: Weasel
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Pfft. Johnny-come-lately. We were there first.
Uh... .222, .222 mag, 218 Bee, 22 Hornet, 220 Swift, 221 Fireball, 22-250, etc., etc., all .224 slug diameter
They called it '.223' to avoid confusion with all of the of the existing .22's. Just as the 106mm recoilless rifle was name '106mm' (instead of 105mm) to avoid confusion with 105mm howitzer rounds.
5.56 rounds will chamber and fire in .222 mag, btw, but dangerous headspace.
Posted by: Weasel
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Pfft. Johnny-come-lately. We were there first.
Uh... .222, .222 mag, 218 Bee, 22 Hornet, 220 Swift, 221 Fireball, 22-250, etc., etc., all .224 slug diameter
They called it '.223' to avoid confusion with all of the of the existing .22's. Just as the 106mm recoilless rifle was name '106mm' (instead of 105mm) to avoid confusion with 105mm howitzer rounds.
5.56 rounds will chamber and fire in .222 mag, btw, but dangerous headspace.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 07, 2018 08:12 PM (++ggZ)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 07, 2018 08:12 PM (hyuyC)
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142 I jumped ugly on a guy at my range because he was walking around with pistol in hand sweeping everybody. His response was "It's not loaded." The RSOs there don't do a thorough job of watching folks and correcting bad behavior.
Posted by: Butch at October 07, 2018 08:11 PM (hXu8T)
Lots of idiots at the range.... guys showing girlfriends how to shoot may be the worst.....
Posted by: Butch at October 07, 2018 08:11 PM (hXu8T)
Lots of idiots at the range.... guys showing girlfriends how to shoot may be the worst.....
Posted by: kraken at October 07, 2018 08:13 PM (DpEis)
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I jumped ugly on a guy at my range because he was walking around with pistol in hand sweeping everybody. His response was "It's not loaded." The RSOs there don't do a thorough job of watching folks and correcting bad behavior.
Posted by: Butch
ouch.
Posted by: Butch
ouch.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 07, 2018 08:13 PM (c07y/)
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138 Full disclosure.... though I love guns, do not own an AR...... does this mean that I should seek professional help????
Posted by: kraken at October 07, 2018 08:11 PM (DpEis)
I suggest making an appointment with your local firearms therapy provider. Immediately.
Posted by: kraken at October 07, 2018 08:11 PM (DpEis)
I suggest making an appointment with your local firearms therapy provider. Immediately.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 07, 2018 08:13 PM (NWiLs)
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Dodgers win again don't they?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 07, 2018 08:14 PM (OoMmn)
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Posted by: Butch at October 07, 2018 08:11 PM (hXu8T)
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RSO. that's one job I'd never want.
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RSO. that's one job I'd never want.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 08:15 PM (g5Oh1)
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Black Rifle Disease.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at October 07, 2018 08:06 PM (j4zcI)
Next, i wanted a dedicated 9mm, then a 20" A4, then a 20" grendel, then . . . .
Recently got a polymer lower with pencil barrel. That thing is light.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at October 07, 2018 08:06 PM (j4zcI)
Next, i wanted a dedicated 9mm, then a 20" A4, then a 20" grendel, then . . . .
Recently got a polymer lower with pencil barrel. That thing is light.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 07, 2018 08:15 PM (5jVnA)
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Now that Kav is confirmed and the crazies have shut up for a few moments, we can haz baseball thread? If only in honor of Hizzoner's support of the local NL team (the Nats should give him an autographed jersey to wear under his robe).
Posted by: Basement Cat at October 07, 2018 08:15 PM (3C9q2)
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Full disclosure.... though I love guns, do not own an AR...... does this mean that I should seek professional help????
Posted by: kraken at October 07, 2018 08:11 PM
Yes. Your local firearms sales professional will be happy to provide some therapy.
Posted by: kraken at October 07, 2018 08:11 PM
Yes. Your local firearms sales professional will be happy to provide some therapy.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 07, 2018 08:16 PM (8dJfY)
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Are bullets that a magnet can pick up illegal????
Posted by: kraken at October 07, 2018 08:16 PM (DpEis)
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144 Thinking it's possible, if Kansas has less urban population.
I see Pa and Va are very simular
I see Pa and Va are very simular
Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2018 08:16 PM (T4oHT)
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Weasel, thanks for mentioning those videos on the Brownell's site.
Something I don't see mentioned often is the versatility of ARs for a family. Mrs. JTB and I have a foot and a half height difference. Yet the stock can adjust to both of us in maybe a second, the recoil of the round is modest, and the barrel is short enough to be comfortably balanced. That is an effective and useful combination.
Something I don't see mentioned often is the versatility of ARs for a family. Mrs. JTB and I have a foot and a half height difference. Yet the stock can adjust to both of us in maybe a second, the recoil of the round is modest, and the barrel is short enough to be comfortably balanced. That is an effective and useful combination.
Posted by: JTB at October 07, 2018 08:16 PM (V+03K)
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But then again, I guess I'm RSO and Exhalted Supreme Ruler of the Range at WeaselAcres.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 08:17 PM (g5Oh1)
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I remember the first time I was handed an M16. It was all rattly and clunky, and I thought "what a POS" and the I fired it and thought my god what a weapon. More rounds please. Been love ever since. Mm, Armalite.
Posted by: Smaug at October 07, 2018 08:17 PM (EMIUG)
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153 Steel jacket? Hell on barrel wear
Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2018 08:17 PM (T4oHT)
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151 Now that Kav is confirmed and the crazies have shut up for a few moments, we can haz baseball thread? If only in honor of Hizzoner's support of the local NL team (the Nats should give him an autographed jersey to wear under his robe).
Posted by: Basement Cat at October 07, 2018 08:15 PM (3C9q2)
Baseball, huh???? Only if you are bery bery good....
Posted by: Basement Cat at October 07, 2018 08:15 PM (3C9q2)
Baseball, huh???? Only if you are bery bery good....
Posted by: kraken at October 07, 2018 08:18 PM (DpEis)
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Kraken, you have no AR? That's like having no mustard in you fridge. Ain't it?
Posted by: Eromero at October 07, 2018 08:18 PM (zLDYs)
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Good link, but the data looks awfully funny. KS has more gun ownership than Texas? WTF?
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 07, 2018 08:12 PM (hyuyC)
KS also has better carry laws than Texas.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 07, 2018 08:12 PM (hyuyC)
KS also has better carry laws than Texas.
Posted by: Boofffffperch at October 07, 2018 08:18 PM (WyU9y)
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Are bullets that a magnet can pick up illegal????
Posted by: kraken at October 07, 2018 08:16 PM (DpEis)
Some ranges don't allow steel-core ammunition.
Posted by: kraken at October 07, 2018 08:16 PM (DpEis)
Some ranges don't allow steel-core ammunition.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2018 08:18 PM (y87Qq)
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'His response was "It's not loaded." '
My brother in law was killed with a gun that was not loaded.
So his buddy thought.
My brother in law was killed with a gun that was not loaded.
So his buddy thought.
Posted by: The Hamburgler at October 07, 2018 08:18 PM (UdKB7)
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Something I don't see mentioned often is the versatility of ARs for a family. Mrs. JTB and I have a foot and a half height difference. Yet the stock can adjust to both of us in maybe a second, the recoil of the round is modest, and the barrel is short enough to be comfortably balanced. That is an effective and useful combination.
Posted by: JTB at October 07, 2018 08:16 PM (V+03K)
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All very good points, JTB. It's a versatile platform, that's for sure.
Something I don't see mentioned often is the versatility of ARs for a family. Mrs. JTB and I have a foot and a half height difference. Yet the stock can adjust to both of us in maybe a second, the recoil of the round is modest, and the barrel is short enough to be comfortably balanced. That is an effective and useful combination.
Posted by: JTB at October 07, 2018 08:16 PM (V+03K)
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All very good points, JTB. It's a versatile platform, that's for sure.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 08:19 PM (g5Oh1)
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Full disclosure.... though I love guns, do not own an AR...... does this mean that I should seek professional help????
Posted by: kraken
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Lt. Colonel Hal Moore: I think you oughta get yourself an M-16. .
Sergeant Major Basil Plumley: Sir, if the time comes I need one, there'll be plenty lying on the ground.
Posted by: kraken
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Lt. Colonel Hal Moore: I think you oughta get yourself an M-16. .
Sergeant Major Basil Plumley: Sir, if the time comes I need one, there'll be plenty lying on the ground.
Posted by: We Were Soldiers at October 07, 2018 08:19 PM (sc/gu)
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But then again, I guess I'm RSO and Exhalted Supreme Ruler of the Range at WeaselAcres.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 08:17 PM (g5Oh1)
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I'm guessing anyone you have out to the Weasel Acres range wouldn't need a whole lotta supervision.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 08:17 PM (g5Oh1)
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I'm guessing anyone you have out to the Weasel Acres range wouldn't need a whole lotta supervision.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at October 07, 2018 08:19 PM (I16G8)
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160 Kraken, you have no AR? That's like having no mustard in you fridge. Ain't it?
Posted by: Eromero at October 07, 2018 08:18 PM (zLDYs)
All my friends and relatives do.... guess I'm a Rebel, that's what I am.... own plenty of other weapons of DEATH!!!11!!!
Posted by: Eromero at October 07, 2018 08:18 PM (zLDYs)
All my friends and relatives do.... guess I'm a Rebel, that's what I am.... own plenty of other weapons of DEATH!!!11!!!
Posted by: kraken at October 07, 2018 08:20 PM (DpEis)
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Oops off cheesy criminal sock
Posted by: The Hamburgler at October 07, 2018 08:20 PM (UdKB7)
169
Are bullets that a magnet can pick up illegal????
Posted by: kraken at October 07, 2018 08:16 PM (DpEis)
I can't imagine why. It works for our coins.
Posted by: kraken at October 07, 2018 08:16 PM (DpEis)
I can't imagine why. It works for our coins.
Posted by: The EU at October 07, 2018 08:20 PM (sc/gu)
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Ewww it's stuck on me
Posted by: freaked at October 07, 2018 08:21 PM (UdKB7)
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162 Are bullets that a magnet can pick up illegal????
Posted by: kraken at October 07, 2018 08:16 PM (DpEis)
Some ranges don't allow steel-core ammunition.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2018 08:18 PM (y87Qq)
Hmmm.... 2k rounds.....
Posted by: kraken at October 07, 2018 08:16 PM (DpEis)
Some ranges don't allow steel-core ammunition.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2018 08:18 PM (y87Qq)
Hmmm.... 2k rounds.....
Posted by: kraken at October 07, 2018 08:21 PM (DpEis)
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Just got a couple of BX-25's for my 10/22. I'm not sure I'm going to like them. They slant forward pretty sharply and when I'm aiming the gub it rests right up against my forearm. Got to get the range this week. As an aside, those mags are not really legal here in what is fast becoming Commifornia East, but almost all the sheriff's departments and many police departments said that they would not enforce that particular law.
Posted by: Old Blue at October 07, 2018 08:21 PM (gEvQ8)
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I'm guessing anyone you have out to the Weasel Acres range wouldn't need a whole lotta supervision.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at October 07, 2018 08:19 PM (I16G
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Well, yeah. I still would like to host a very small precision rifle class sometime.
I'm guessing anyone you have out to the Weasel Acres range wouldn't need a whole lotta supervision.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at October 07, 2018 08:19 PM (I16G
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Well, yeah. I still would like to host a very small precision rifle class sometime.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 08:21 PM (g5Oh1)
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How many of you have actually fired an M-16, M- 4 or what ever?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 07, 2018 08:22 PM (OoMmn)
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"Next, i wanted a dedicated 9mm"
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Sweet. I dipped my toe into AR-15-dom with the first-gen SW MP15 Sport. As soon as I built my middy I put a 9mm barrel, bolt and buffer on the Sport along with a Colt-style magwell adapter. The adapter is removable, so it's a semi-dedicated 9mm. But I'll never have a reason to swap it out.
Gotta say, between the blowback operation and the heavy buffer, she's a bit of a kicker.
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Sweet. I dipped my toe into AR-15-dom with the first-gen SW MP15 Sport. As soon as I built my middy I put a 9mm barrel, bolt and buffer on the Sport along with a Colt-style magwell adapter. The adapter is removable, so it's a semi-dedicated 9mm. But I'll never have a reason to swap it out.
Gotta say, between the blowback operation and the heavy buffer, she's a bit of a kicker.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at October 07, 2018 08:22 PM (j4zcI)
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Yah, if you don't own an AR, get one. Best combination of versatile accurate reliable powerful weapon ever made. Good for close in, good for long range. Throw it in a mud puddle and drive over it with a deuce and half and the effer will still fire.
Posted by: Smaug at October 07, 2018 08:22 PM (EMIUG)
Posted by: freaked at October 07, 2018 08:23 PM (UdKB7)
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 08:23 PM (g5Oh1)
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As a soldier?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 07, 2018 08:23 PM (OoMmn)
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Not as fun as a BAR though.
Posted by: freaked at October 07, 2018 08:23 PM (UdKB7)
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As an aside, those mags are not really legal here in what is fast becoming Commifornia East, but almost all the sheriff's departments and many police departments said that they would not enforce that particular law.
Posted by: Old Blue at October 07, 2018 08:21 PM (gEvQ
Upstate New York?
Posted by: Old Blue at October 07, 2018 08:21 PM (gEvQ
Upstate New York?
Posted by: Boofffffperch at October 07, 2018 08:23 PM (WyU9y)
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My Dad was an MP in the AF. Lent his service 1911 to another MP whose weapon was in the armory for repair. Went to go clean it and never cleared the chamber. Shot himself through the hand, and my Dad was usually pretty good around firearms. He just got careless one time.
Posted by: Old Blue at October 07, 2018 08:24 PM (gEvQ8)
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How many of you have actually fired an M-16, M- 4 or what ever?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 07, 2018 08:22 PM (OoMmn)
Ours were A2s from FN.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 07, 2018 08:22 PM (OoMmn)
Ours were A2s from FN.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2018 08:24 PM (y87Qq)
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'His response was "It's not loaded." '
Without looking, point it at your head and pull the trigger and convince me.
Without looking, point it at your head and pull the trigger and convince me.
Posted by: t-bird at October 07, 2018 08:24 PM (Y9zp1)
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167 160 Kraken, you have no AR? That's like having no mustard in you fridge. Ain't it?
Posted by: Eromero at October 07, 2018 08:18 PM (zLDYs)
All my friends and relatives do.... guess I'm a Rebel, that's what I am.... own plenty of other weapons of DEATH!!!11!!!
Posted by: kraken at October 07, 2018 08:20 PM (DpEis)
LOL... I Live in California... of course I do not own an AR... really... /tries to look innocent
Posted by: Eromero at October 07, 2018 08:18 PM (zLDYs)
All my friends and relatives do.... guess I'm a Rebel, that's what I am.... own plenty of other weapons of DEATH!!!11!!!
Posted by: kraken at October 07, 2018 08:20 PM (DpEis)
LOL... I Live in California... of course I do not own an AR... really... /tries to look innocent
Posted by: Don Q at October 07, 2018 08:25 PM (NgKpN)
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114 Bbl. Driving thru a turd floater.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2018 07:58 PM (Ol/Jg)
We get a lot of college co=op student workers at our facility.
One of the hazing things we do to those on their first tour (mostly sophomores, still wet behind the ears):
When there's a turd-floater, someone tells the co-op that they heard on the radio that the XXXX road tunnel is under water. Everyone else in the office says, "Crap" or "Jesus" and puts on a long face. Most co-ops will ask how many people could be trapped or something. We lead he co-op on for a while, then someone says with a big grin, "Hey, but the XXXX Tunnel is ALWAYS underwater! Got you!"
Posted by: rickb223 at October 07, 2018 07:58 PM (Ol/Jg)
We get a lot of college co=op student workers at our facility.
One of the hazing things we do to those on their first tour (mostly sophomores, still wet behind the ears):
When there's a turd-floater, someone tells the co-op that they heard on the radio that the XXXX road tunnel is under water. Everyone else in the office says, "Crap" or "Jesus" and puts on a long face. Most co-ops will ask how many people could be trapped or something. We lead he co-op on for a while, then someone says with a big grin, "Hey, but the XXXX Tunnel is ALWAYS underwater! Got you!"
Posted by: Gref at October 07, 2018 08:25 PM (AMIL/)
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I did
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 07, 2018 08:25 PM (OoMmn)
188
How many of you have actually fired an M-16, M- 4 or what ever?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 07, 2018 08:22 PM
M16. But not M4.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 07, 2018 08:22 PM
M16. But not M4.
Posted by: otho at October 07, 2018 08:25 PM (LkFnL)
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No not as a soldier. I was a military brat but never served.
Posted by: freaked at October 07, 2018 08:25 PM (UdKB7)
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Well, yeah. I still would like to host a very small precision rifle class sometime.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 08:21 PM
*cradles Model 70 target rifle*
Yes, please!
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 08:21 PM
*cradles Model 70 target rifle*
Yes, please!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 07, 2018 08:25 PM (8dJfY)
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So if I mail a buddy in California one of my 40 round SKS mags, will I be arrested as soon as I get to Needles???
Posted by: kraken at October 07, 2018 08:25 PM (DpEis)
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powerful weapon ever made.
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Poodles everywhere quake in fear.
Sorry to mock, but I think you are over-selling it by a margin.
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Poodles everywhere quake in fear.
Sorry to mock, but I think you are over-selling it by a margin.
Posted by: Nothardly at October 07, 2018 08:25 PM (Pu/Kw)
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'His response was "It's not loaded." '
My brother in law was killed with a gun that was not loaded.
So his buddy thought.
Posted by: The Hamburgler at October 07, 2018 08:18 PM (UdKB7)
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I was almost shot by a numbnuts that decided to "dry fire" his pistol downrange when it had been called cold. I was walking back from changing targets and BLAM! Got a hole in the underarm of my shirt, it was that close.
My brother in law was killed with a gun that was not loaded.
So his buddy thought.
Posted by: The Hamburgler at October 07, 2018 08:18 PM (UdKB7)
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I was almost shot by a numbnuts that decided to "dry fire" his pistol downrange when it had been called cold. I was walking back from changing targets and BLAM! Got a hole in the underarm of my shirt, it was that close.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at October 07, 2018 08:25 PM (I16G8)
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177 'How many of you have actually fired an M-16, M- 4 or what ever?'
M-14. What fun.
Posted by: freaked at October 07, 2018 08:23 PM (UdKB7)
Yes, yes,.... and yes....
M-14. What fun.
Posted by: freaked at October 07, 2018 08:23 PM (UdKB7)
Yes, yes,.... and yes....
Posted by: Don Q at October 07, 2018 08:25 PM (NgKpN)
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I believed they used 20 round mags in Vietnam. Is that correct?
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at October 07, 2018 08:26 PM (2DOZq)
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Guns!
Yea!
What a good gun week.
Classic Firearms had a scorching deal on surplus handguns. Seriously good pistols for under 200???
Crazy.
I also got some range time and still can't find a .22 auto that will feed reliably or ignite reliably. Yes, sadly, including a borrowed Buckmark. Plus the slide kept hitting my thumb with my usual 'stacked thumbs' grip.
I may just get a ruger .22 revolver. But then that doesn't help me train for my larger guns, which was the goal.
Anyway, last box of ammo of the day was with my XD9 and I turned in 5 of the tightest 10 round groups in months. A good day.
Yea!
What a good gun week.
Classic Firearms had a scorching deal on surplus handguns. Seriously good pistols for under 200???
Crazy.
I also got some range time and still can't find a .22 auto that will feed reliably or ignite reliably. Yes, sadly, including a borrowed Buckmark. Plus the slide kept hitting my thumb with my usual 'stacked thumbs' grip.
I may just get a ruger .22 revolver. But then that doesn't help me train for my larger guns, which was the goal.
Anyway, last box of ammo of the day was with my XD9 and I turned in 5 of the tightest 10 round groups in months. A good day.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 07, 2018 08:26 PM (xJa6I)
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179 As a soldier?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 07, 2018 08:23 PM (OoMmn)
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Nope. As a Tax Accountant.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 07, 2018 08:23 PM (OoMmn)
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Nope. As a Tax Accountant.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 08:26 PM (MVjcR)
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M50, M60, M16 w/ a M203 grenade launcher and M101 Howitzer and prolly some other shit I forgot about.
Posted by: Smaug at October 07, 2018 08:27 PM (EMIUG)
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Upstate New York?
Posted by: Boofffffperch at October 07, 2018 08:23 PM (WyU9y)
Colorado. They outlawed any magazine greater than fifteen rounds. IIRC, they also outlawed any shotgun with a magazine greater than seven rounds. Magpul was so pissed off, they pulled their manufacturing out of CO and moved it to Wyoming.
Posted by: Boofffffperch at October 07, 2018 08:23 PM (WyU9y)
Colorado. They outlawed any magazine greater than fifteen rounds. IIRC, they also outlawed any shotgun with a magazine greater than seven rounds. Magpul was so pissed off, they pulled their manufacturing out of CO and moved it to Wyoming.
Posted by: Old Blue at October 07, 2018 08:27 PM (gEvQ8)
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Oh and one of our FTs actually fired on the Republic of Singapore with an M-16. Only time I've ever seen a line-throwing gun used.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2018 08:27 PM (y87Qq)
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I have fired a M-16, don't own a rifle yet alone a AR. I only have handguns, and my smoothbore.
Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2018 08:28 PM (T4oHT)
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198 M50, M60, M16 w/ a M203 grenade launcher and M101 Howitzer and prolly some other shit I forgot about.
Posted by: Smaug at October 07, 2018 08:27 PM (EMIUG)
M-79 Thump Gun... grenade launcher?
Big fun.
Posted by: Smaug at October 07, 2018 08:27 PM (EMIUG)
M-79 Thump Gun... grenade launcher?
Big fun.
Posted by: Don Q at October 07, 2018 08:28 PM (NgKpN)
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Colorado is circling the drain, IMO.....
Posted by: kraken at October 07, 2018 08:28 PM (DpEis)
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I didn't know Kav was a Nats fan. My opinion of him just went up and it was already high. Now if we can just get him and his family shooting at the range.
Posted by: JTB at October 07, 2018 08:28 PM (V+03K)
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 07, 2018 08:29 PM (8Jf80)
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I only fire steel case ammo in AK's or in a pinch a piston driven .......308. But just in a pinch.
Posted by: Eromero at October 07, 2018 08:29 PM (zLDYs)
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Had a Vietnam Vet (101st AB) introduce me to assault rifles. His H&K 91 was sooo much fun to shoot. I was almost accurate with that.
I put that aside for a while, what with 127 mm of gun goodness, but It is still a sweet memory.
I put that aside for a while, what with 127 mm of gun goodness, but It is still a sweet memory.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 07, 2018 08:29 PM (hyuyC)
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204 I didn't know Kav was a Nats fan. My opinion of him just went up and it was already high. Now if we can just get him and his family shooting at the range.
Posted by: JTB at October 07, 2018 08:28 PM (V+03K)
Yeah.... take RBG huntin', that's the ticket.....
Posted by: JTB at October 07, 2018 08:28 PM (V+03K)
Yeah.... take RBG huntin', that's the ticket.....
Posted by: kraken at October 07, 2018 08:29 PM (DpEis)
209
Just got back from the range where one of the other Senseis from the dojo where I teach and I introduced one of our new black belts from England to firearms. He got a safety lecture from us going over the pistols and how to handle them safely, then we went to the range and shot.
Ruger .22lr target pistolSig Saur 9mmSmith and Wesson VD SE in 9mmSccy CPX-2 in 9mmand a vintage 1911 in 45 ACP
He did very well, shooting safely, and accurately. A good day at the range for all. He was a little surprised when I drew my carry SCCY, as he hadn't realized I was carrying. Living in Texas is great.
Ruger .22lr target pistolSig Saur 9mmSmith and Wesson VD SE in 9mmSccy CPX-2 in 9mmand a vintage 1911 in 45 ACP
He did very well, shooting safely, and accurately. A good day at the range for all. He was a little surprised when I drew my carry SCCY, as he hadn't realized I was carrying. Living in Texas is great.
Posted by: An Observation at October 07, 2018 08:29 PM (+tXNZ)
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Oh yah and some piece of crap 155mm SP howitzer and an 8" towed which basically tossed exploding volkswagons
Posted by: Smaug at October 07, 2018 08:30 PM (EMIUG)
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I was almost shot by a numbnuts that decided to "dry fire" his pistol downrange when it had been called cold. I was walking back from changing targets and BLAM! Got a hole in the underarm of my shirt, it was that close.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at October 07, 2018 08:25 PM (I16G
Holy shit, man.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at October 07, 2018 08:25 PM (I16G
Holy shit, man.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2018 08:30 PM (y87Qq)
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How many of you have actually fired an M-16, M- 4 or what ever?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 07, 2018 08:22 PM
Yes. And Vulcans and tank cannons and 155s, and...
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 07, 2018 08:22 PM
Yes. And Vulcans and tank cannons and 155s, and...
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 07, 2018 08:30 PM (8dJfY)
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*cradles Model 70 target rifle*
Yes, please!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 07, 2018 08:25 PM (8dJfY)
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I'll make sure you're invited!
Yes, please!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 07, 2018 08:25 PM (8dJfY)
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I'll make sure you're invited!
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 08:30 PM (g5Oh1)
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195 I believed they used 20 round mags in Vietnam. Is that correct?
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at October 07, 2018 08:26 PM (2DOZq)
Yes, until near the end of US troops on the ground.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at October 07, 2018 08:26 PM (2DOZq)
Yes, until near the end of US troops on the ground.
Posted by: Gref at October 07, 2018 08:30 PM (AMIL/)
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Colorado is in the 30's %, Wyoming is all but 60
Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2018 08:30 PM (T4oHT)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 07, 2018 08:30 PM (hyuyC)
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LOL... I Live in California... of course I do not own an AR... really... /tries to look innocent
Posted by: Don Q
Just say "arquebus quince"
Posted by: Don Q
Just say "arquebus quince"
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 07, 2018 08:30 PM (c07y/)
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BOHICA
Posted by: Smaug at October 07, 2018 08:31 PM (EMIUG)
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Arrived in Lake Tahoe!
Shot with a guy shooting 300 Blackout. Made about as much noise as a 22.
Shot with a guy shooting 300 Blackout. Made about as much noise as a 22.
Posted by: Blake - Blackberry phone with real keyboard at October 07, 2018 08:31 PM (MEeXs)
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 07, 2018 08:31 PM (8Jf80)
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Issued FNFAL/SLR, M60 GPMG, Lee Enfield 303, Owen SMG, Bren LMG, M79, M16. Shot the M14... that was a great rifle.
Issued FNFAL/SLR, M60 GPMG, Lee Enfield 303, Owen SMG, Bren LMG, M79, M16. Shot the M14... that was a great rifle.
Posted by: otho at October 07, 2018 08:31 PM (LkFnL)
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55 ...what do you think of a IWI Tavor?
There is a left-handed one I'm going to look at.
What is your use case?
Our tribe has the Tavor in both LH and RH versions. One the original Tavor, the other X95.
I like the ergos on the original, but the trigger on the X95. eoTech + flip magnifier. Hits 8" steel reliably at 200m. Not so much at greater distances. The bull pup design makes off hand shooting easier, and a much better CQB weapon than the AR.
The Mepro probably is the better fit, but without an auxiliary lighting, it doesn't work well when shooting from darkened indoors to well-lit outdoors. (the dot gets lost).
The Desertech MDR is probably the best bullpup on the market right now. Lighter and more accurate.
There is a left-handed one I'm going to look at.
What is your use case?
Our tribe has the Tavor in both LH and RH versions. One the original Tavor, the other X95.
I like the ergos on the original, but the trigger on the X95. eoTech + flip magnifier. Hits 8" steel reliably at 200m. Not so much at greater distances. The bull pup design makes off hand shooting easier, and a much better CQB weapon than the AR.
The Mepro probably is the better fit, but without an auxiliary lighting, it doesn't work well when shooting from darkened indoors to well-lit outdoors. (the dot gets lost).
The Desertech MDR is probably the best bullpup on the market right now. Lighter and more accurate.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 07, 2018 08:31 PM (lD3vL)
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BLAM! Got a hole in the underarm of my shirt, it was that close.
Anything happen to the guy, like an epiphany, or is he still a numbnutz?
Anything happen to the guy, like an epiphany, or is he still a numbnutz?
Posted by: t-bird at October 07, 2018 08:31 PM (NpvYf)
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I too have loaded bigger ordnance, just never got to pull that trigger
Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2018 08:32 PM (T4oHT)
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By the way, AR-15s pre 1968 now qualify as Curio and Relic firearms - so if you have a C and R license you can buy one through the mail.
Posted by: An Observation at October 07, 2018 08:32 PM (+tXNZ)
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If you served in the military, your a veteran. Laughing at the protests in LA now.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 07, 2018 08:32 PM (OoMmn)
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Shooting an M82A1 while dressed as a maid. Sugoi.
https://youtu.be/xbV2uYk1VNs
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 07, 2018 07:53 PM (8Jf80)
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Someone could proably fill an entire book with things I don't understand about Asian cultures.
https://youtu.be/xbV2uYk1VNs
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 07, 2018 07:53 PM (8Jf80)
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Someone could proably fill an entire book with things I don't understand about Asian cultures.
Posted by: Moron Robbie's Beach Friends at October 07, 2018 08:33 PM (OQp0d)
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I'll make sure you're invited!
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 08:30 PM
I will make whatever schedule adjustments are necessary. I'm there!
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 08:30 PM
I will make whatever schedule adjustments are necessary. I'm there!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 07, 2018 08:33 PM (8dJfY)
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Holy shit, man.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2018 08:30 PM (y87Qq)
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Yeah, the guy was just banned from the range. RSO could have done us all a solid and just turned his back for a couple of minutes.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2018 08:30 PM (y87Qq)
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Yeah, the guy was just banned from the range. RSO could have done us all a solid and just turned his back for a couple of minutes.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at October 07, 2018 08:34 PM (I16G8)
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Tinfoilbaby, yah that would also be why the NFL is dead to me forever, no judgement for those who still enjoy, but for me well just fuck em.
Posted by: Smaug at October 07, 2018 08:34 PM (EMIUG)
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I got turned onto Daniel Defense and have fallen in love with their Ar15 and 10s. They make a pretty rifle with all the parts you need day one.
Two weeks ago I finished my MBR out with a Eotech and a good flashlight. It's "done" as far as I am concerned.
Now I want to build or buy another.
Mine is the DD4mv11 and the 308 is the DD5v2
Both shoot like butter. Can't recommend their stuff enough.
Two weeks ago I finished my MBR out with a Eotech and a good flashlight. It's "done" as far as I am concerned.
Now I want to build or buy another.
Mine is the DD4mv11 and the 308 is the DD5v2
Both shoot like butter. Can't recommend their stuff enough.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 07, 2018 08:35 PM (pUDQf)
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Tinfoil,
Courtesy of Uncle Sam, M16, M16A1, and M16A2 plus S&W Model 15 and the M9 pistolas.
A lot of ex-military rifles from the 20th century.
Courtesy of Uncle Sam, M16, M16A1, and M16A2 plus S&W Model 15 and the M9 pistolas.
A lot of ex-military rifles from the 20th century.
Posted by: whig at October 07, 2018 08:35 PM (ROzyM)
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Blue Bird of F'ing Joy
Thank you for the info. Off to the internet to build my Google / NSA Bob file that much bigger ...
Thank you for the info. Off to the internet to build my Google / NSA Bob file that much bigger ...
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 07, 2018 08:35 PM (hyuyC)
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Another fan of 300BLK here. I use my suppressed 300BLK for deer hunting.
Yes, in Maine we can hunt suppressed.
Yes, in Maine we can hunt suppressed.
Posted by: Defenestratus at October 07, 2018 08:36 PM (kI/3T)
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I introduced one of our new black belts from England to firearms...
He did very well, shooting safely, and accurately.
Posted by: An Observation at October 07, 2018 08:29 PM (+tXNZ)
People from the UK seem to do very well on first range trips. Something about an earnest curiosity and not feeling like they have something to prove, as well as no bad habits to unlearn.
He did very well, shooting safely, and accurately.
Posted by: An Observation at October 07, 2018 08:29 PM (+tXNZ)
People from the UK seem to do very well on first range trips. Something about an earnest curiosity and not feeling like they have something to prove, as well as no bad habits to unlearn.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2018 08:36 PM (y87Qq)
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Anything happen to the guy, like an epiphany, or is he still a numbnutz?
Posted by: t-bird at October 07, 2018 08:31 PM (NpvYf)
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See #229. I'm all in favor of gun ownership, until you prove you are too phuching stoopid to be trusted with one.
Posted by: t-bird at October 07, 2018 08:31 PM (NpvYf)
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See #229. I'm all in favor of gun ownership, until you prove you are too phuching stoopid to be trusted with one.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at October 07, 2018 08:36 PM (I16G8)
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What does the Horde think of as the greatest travesty ever inflicted upon the M-16/M-4 family?
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 07, 2018 07:34 PM (8Jf80)
The laws.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 07, 2018 07:34 PM (8Jf80)
The laws.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at October 07, 2018 08:37 PM (9Om/r)
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KS has more gun ownership than Texas? WTF?
We have a lot of foreigners from CA, CO, IL and NY who have infested the Lone Star State.
When the ship hits the sand, I don't want them to have weapons.
We have a lot of foreigners from CA, CO, IL and NY who have infested the Lone Star State.
When the ship hits the sand, I don't want them to have weapons.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 07, 2018 08:37 PM (lD3vL)
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How many of you have actually fired an M-16, M- 4 or what ever?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 07, 2018 08:22 PM
Yes an M16A1, and on full auto, an M-60 machine gun, and an M-79 grenade launcher with explosive rounds. Also had an actual Thompson sub machine gun and a grease gun in Vietnam, but never fired either.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 07, 2018 08:22 PM
Yes an M16A1, and on full auto, an M-60 machine gun, and an M-79 grenade launcher with explosive rounds. Also had an actual Thompson sub machine gun and a grease gun in Vietnam, but never fired either.
Posted by: An Observation at October 07, 2018 08:37 PM (+tXNZ)
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Simple range rules:
1> The RSO is god so obey.
2> Always assume weapon is loaded.
3> Never aim at anything except targets.
4> Never shoot at anything except targets.
5> Never shoot anyone else's targets.
6> No horseplay ever.
1> The RSO is god so obey.
2> Always assume weapon is loaded.
3> Never aim at anything except targets.
4> Never shoot at anything except targets.
5> Never shoot anyone else's targets.
6> No horseplay ever.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 07, 2018 08:37 PM (8Jf80)
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People from the UK seem to do very well on first range trips. Something about an earnest curiosity and not feeling like they have something to prove, as well as no bad habits to unlearn.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2018 08:36 PM (y87Qq)
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That's one of the reasons I like coaching women.
Are any of you coming to the TXMoMee? I'm bringing one of my match rifles for people to try.
People from the UK seem to do very well on first range trips. Something about an earnest curiosity and not feeling like they have something to prove, as well as no bad habits to unlearn.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2018 08:36 PM (y87Qq)
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That's one of the reasons I like coaching women.
Are any of you coming to the TXMoMee? I'm bringing one of my match rifles for people to try.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 08:38 PM (g5Oh1)
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Anyone else enter the 1911 sweepstakes?
Posted by: Gref at October 07, 2018 07:25 PM (AMIL/)
FUCK! I totally forgot! Is it too late to enter?
Posted by: Gref at October 07, 2018 07:25 PM (AMIL/)
FUCK! I totally forgot! Is it too late to enter?
Posted by: Defenestratus at October 07, 2018 08:38 PM (kI/3T)
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Went to the range yesterday. Just shot a few pistols.
The green hits are Hornady BBs at 7 yards. They tend to fly off a bit more.
The seven 9mm hits are marked with gold "/" or "X" are two quick shots to center mass followed by one to the head and I don't show the head shots.
Need better control on those quick follow-up shots.
I'd love a AR-15 in 300BLK but the rounds are pretty expensive compared to .223 or 5.56mm rounds.
https://___ur.com/a/OGvPQcC
The green hits are Hornady BBs at 7 yards. They tend to fly off a bit more.
The seven 9mm hits are marked with gold "/" or "X" are two quick shots to center mass followed by one to the head and I don't show the head shots.
Need better control on those quick follow-up shots.
I'd love a AR-15 in 300BLK but the rounds are pretty expensive compared to .223 or 5.56mm rounds.
https://___ur.com/a/OGvPQcC
Posted by: WarEagle82 at October 07, 2018 08:38 PM (2BPRE)
Posted by: mallfly Queen of Kings at October 07, 2018 08:38 PM (UFyv9)
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I feel suppressed just thinking about deer hunting in maine. I like our corn fed deer. In blind 30 before day break and swamp bunny on ground by 9:00. Usually.
Posted by: Smaug at October 07, 2018 08:39 PM (EMIUG)
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___ur link went wonky: https://___ur.com/a/OGvPQcC
Posted by: WarEagle82 at October 07, 2018 08:39 PM (2BPRE)
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I tried sending pics & brief videos to guns-at-happyplacearsenal-dot-com but the email bounced "undeliverable".
Posted by: seachnasaigh at October 07, 2018 08:39 PM (qtTPm)
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Mea culpa, I came this close >< to a negligent discharge once. Pistol muzzle was pointed in a safe direction but was about a foot from my face. I've been doubly vigilant & careful ever since.
Posted by: Butch at October 07, 2018 08:39 PM (hXu8T)
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They made me carry a 203 grenade launcher for to long
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 07, 2018 08:39 PM (OoMmn)
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What is diddling the "i m g u r" links?
Posted by: WarEagle82 at October 07, 2018 08:39 PM (2BPRE)
251
Almost forgot had this today
gellerreport.com london police stabbed ( in )rampage
3 British policemen injured by jihadi
I assume they were not armed.
gellerreport.com london police stabbed ( in )rampage
3 British policemen injured by jihadi
I assume they were not armed.
Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2018 08:39 PM (T4oHT)
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TinyURL is your friend there...
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 07, 2018 08:40 PM (8Jf80)
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Posted by: WarEagle82 at October 07, 2018 08:40 PM (2BPRE)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at October 07, 2018 08:40 PM (cgOaH)
Posted by: WarEagle82 at October 07, 2018 08:40 PM (2BPRE)
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Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 07, 2018 08:37 PM (lD3vL)
I'm guessing that the transplants from CO were originally transplanted from CA then moved south. The rural parts of the state for the most part are solid red, but starting to turn more purple as people move out to the "bedroom" communities.
I'm guessing that the transplants from CO were originally transplanted from CA then moved south. The rural parts of the state for the most part are solid red, but starting to turn more purple as people move out to the "bedroom" communities.
Posted by: Old Blue at October 07, 2018 08:41 PM (gEvQ8)
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 07, 2018 08:41 PM (8Jf80)
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anyone besides me see Tom Arnold on Ben Shapiro's Fox News show just now?
Amazingly incoherent.
Posted by: mallfly Queen of Kings at October 07, 2018 08:38 PM (UFyv9)
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I would be more amazed if he came off as somewhat coherent. Dude's cheese has slid all the way off his cracker.
Amazingly incoherent.
Posted by: mallfly Queen of Kings at October 07, 2018 08:38 PM (UFyv9)
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I would be more amazed if he came off as somewhat coherent. Dude's cheese has slid all the way off his cracker.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at October 07, 2018 08:41 PM (I16G8)
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247 I tried sending pics & brief videos to guns-at-happyplacearsenal-dot-com but the email bounced "undeliverable".
Posted by: seachnasaigh at October 07, 2018 08:39 PM (qtTPm)
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Try guns@happyplacearsenal. Dot fee oh emmm
Posted by: seachnasaigh at October 07, 2018 08:39 PM (qtTPm)
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Try guns@happyplacearsenal. Dot fee oh emmm
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 08:41 PM (g5Oh1)
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245 I feel suppressed just thinking about deer hunting in maine. I like our corn fed deer. In blind 30 before day break and swamp bunny on ground by 9:00. Usually.
Posted by: Smaug at October 07, 2018 08:39 PM (EMIUG)
Deer hunting up here is amazingly fun - even if you don't bag anything. Hiking the hills and mountains up here in November is amazing.
I'm about to hit up our partridge hunting area this week. See if I can tag a bag of bones....
Posted by: Smaug at October 07, 2018 08:39 PM (EMIUG)
Deer hunting up here is amazingly fun - even if you don't bag anything. Hiking the hills and mountains up here in November is amazing.
I'm about to hit up our partridge hunting area this week. See if I can tag a bag of bones....
Posted by: Defenestratus at October 07, 2018 08:41 PM (kI/3T)
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Oh right, the topic.
I have an...assortment of AR-15 rifles, pistols and what not. I built one with an APEX trigger that's probably my most accurate gun. But honestly, my lightest and best short range rifle is a Kel Tec SU-16C.
I'm as surprised as you are. But it's light, accurate, easy to use and has not had any reliability issues. It, along with my M1 Carbine are the designated wife rifles.
I have an...assortment of AR-15 rifles, pistols and what not. I built one with an APEX trigger that's probably my most accurate gun. But honestly, my lightest and best short range rifle is a Kel Tec SU-16C.
I'm as surprised as you are. But it's light, accurate, easy to use and has not had any reliability issues. It, along with my M1 Carbine are the designated wife rifles.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 07, 2018 08:41 PM (xJa6I)
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And me with no edit button....
Posted by: WarEagle82 at October 07, 2018 08:41 PM (2BPRE)
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227 Shooting an M82A1 while dressed as a maid. Sugoi.
https://youtu.be/xbV2uYk1VNs
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 07, 2018 07:53 PM (8Jf80)
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Someone could proably fill an entire book with things I don't understand about Asian cultures.
Posted by: Moron Robbie's Beach Friends at October 07, 2018 08:33 PM (OQp0d)
Jump to 1:14
https://youtu.be/xbV2uYk1VNs
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 07, 2018 07:53 PM (8Jf80)
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Someone could proably fill an entire book with things I don't understand about Asian cultures.
Posted by: Moron Robbie's Beach Friends at October 07, 2018 08:33 PM (OQp0d)
Jump to 1:14
Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 07, 2018 08:42 PM (1g7ch)
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246 ___ur link went wonky: https://___ur.com/a/OGvPQcC
Posted by: WarEagle82 at October 07, 2018 08:39 PM (2BPRE)
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Lower case gets the underscore treatment. Use IMG and it will go through.
IMGur.com/a/OGvPQcC
Posted by: WarEagle82 at October 07, 2018 08:39 PM (2BPRE)
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Lower case gets the underscore treatment. Use IMG and it will go through.
IMGur.com/a/OGvPQcC
Posted by: Moron Robbie's Beach Friends at October 07, 2018 08:42 PM (OQp0d)
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" I was almost shot by a numbnuts that decided to "dry fire" his pistol downrange when it had been called cold."
Damn! Makes me glad the range we use has cast iron safety rules. One of them is when the range is cold you DO NOT TOUCH any weapon for any reason. If there is a jam or other problem the range stays hot until the problem is resolved and everyone stays behind the firing points.
Damn! Makes me glad the range we use has cast iron safety rules. One of them is when the range is cold you DO NOT TOUCH any weapon for any reason. If there is a jam or other problem the range stays hot until the problem is resolved and everyone stays behind the firing points.
Posted by: JTB at October 07, 2018 08:42 PM (V+03K)
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The funniest part of Apocalypse Now is when the VC is taunting the Go's and they go get a stoned Roach to take him out with a M-79 ( if memory hasn't gone yet)
Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2018 08:42 PM (T4oHT)
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Fee = cee
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 08:42 PM (g5Oh1)
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What is diddling the "i m g u r" links?
Pixie.
The blog programing doesn't allow the combination of i,m,and g in that order. "i m a g e" is also verboten. Keeps people from breaking the blog.
Pixie.
The blog programing doesn't allow the combination of i,m,and g in that order. "i m a g e" is also verboten. Keeps people from breaking the blog.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 07, 2018 08:42 PM (bZ7mE)
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204 I didn't know Kav was a Nats fan. My opinion of him just went up and it was already high.
Kav's support of the Nats became public when the Dems tried to argue that his purchase of blocks of tickets to home games (for family and friends) proved that there was something fishy about his use of credit cards. Naturally the fans pushed back by pointing out that it's common for people to buy blocks of tickets to baseball games so that they and their friends can sit together, and their friends then reimburse the buyer for the cost of the tickets.
I made a snarky comment about this particular "scandal"-- wondering why the Dems didn't accuse Kav of trying to fix the NL East division race.
Kav's support of the Nats became public when the Dems tried to argue that his purchase of blocks of tickets to home games (for family and friends) proved that there was something fishy about his use of credit cards. Naturally the fans pushed back by pointing out that it's common for people to buy blocks of tickets to baseball games so that they and their friends can sit together, and their friends then reimburse the buyer for the cost of the tickets.
I made a snarky comment about this particular "scandal"-- wondering why the Dems didn't accuse Kav of trying to fix the NL East division race.
Posted by: Basement Cat at October 07, 2018 08:42 PM (3C9q2)
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Yes, I was in a long time ago
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 07, 2018 08:42 PM (OoMmn)
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Shooting an M82A1 while dressed as a maid. Sugoi.
Posted by: Anna Puma
Someone could proably fill an entire book with things I don't understand about Asian cultures.
Posted by: Moron Robbie's Beach Friends
Based on extensive anime watching, I'm sure every maid in Japan is the equivalent of a special forces member, and also a ninja. At least.
(Real maids only. Not maid-cafe employees and cosplayers.)
Posted by: Anna Puma
Someone could proably fill an entire book with things I don't understand about Asian cultures.
Posted by: Moron Robbie's Beach Friends
Based on extensive anime watching, I'm sure every maid in Japan is the equivalent of a special forces member, and also a ninja. At least.
(Real maids only. Not maid-cafe employees and cosplayers.)
Posted by: mikeski at October 07, 2018 08:42 PM (P1f+c)
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I like 30-cal.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 07, 2018 08:42 PM (yQpMk)
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To Defenestratus:
Sorry, it's too late. Applications had to be delivered to CMP by Thursday, Oct, 4.
I think they'll do this annually, but no guarantee.
Sorry, it's too late. Applications had to be delivered to CMP by Thursday, Oct, 4.
I think they'll do this annually, but no guarantee.
Posted by: Gref at October 07, 2018 08:42 PM (AMIL/)
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Are any of you coming to the TXMoMee? I'm bringing one of my match rifles for people to try.
When does the fun begin, and when do we get sent home (provided the Sheriff doesn't shut things down early)?
When does the fun begin, and when do we get sent home (provided the Sheriff doesn't shut things down early)?
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 07, 2018 08:42 PM (lD3vL)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 07, 2018 08:43 PM (xJa6I)
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Surprisingly no one seem to talk of making your AR .22 compliant- both as a tactical reason and practical. Practical because .22 nearly grows on trees; the stuff is everywhere. Sadly, not re-loadable, but so prevalent you can count on just about any place having some.
Tactical because having a backup calibre is smart- ALL of my iron materials have dual usage. Even the revolvers (.45, 357, 410, 9mm). Even the shotties have adapters to fire MANY different rounds- yes one at a time, and not so accurately, but I wont ever be out of a defensible posture. And still faster than a muzzle loader...
Tactical because having a backup calibre is smart- ALL of my iron materials have dual usage. Even the revolvers (.45, 357, 410, 9mm). Even the shotties have adapters to fire MANY different rounds- yes one at a time, and not so accurately, but I wont ever be out of a defensible posture. And still faster than a muzzle loader...
Posted by: Mr wolf at October 07, 2018 08:43 PM (Rl5Oj)
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Defen, I bet. Was just messing about. Maine is beautiful.
Posted by: Smaug at October 07, 2018 08:43 PM (EMIUG)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 07, 2018 08:44 PM (yQpMk)
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The blog programing doesn't allow the combination of i,m,and g in that order. "i m a g e" is also verboten. Keeps people from breaking the blog.
Posted by: Grey Fox
Unless you're sneaky about it, then you can type img.
Posted by: Grey Fox
Unless you're sneaky about it, then you can type img.
Posted by: mikeski at October 07, 2018 08:44 PM (P1f+c)
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Jump to 1:14
Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 07, 2018 08:42 PM (1g7ch)
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Ha. I appreciate that three to five second shimmy, but I also halfway think that reinforces my point.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 07, 2018 08:42 PM (1g7ch)
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Ha. I appreciate that three to five second shimmy, but I also halfway think that reinforces my point.
Posted by: Moron Robbie's Beach Friends at October 07, 2018 08:44 PM (OQp0d)
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I'm as surprised as you are. But it's light, accurate, easy to use and has not had any reliability issues. It, along with my M1 Carbine are the designated wife rifles.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 07, 2018 08:41 PM (xJa6I)
Are wives considered dangerous game?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 07, 2018 08:41 PM (xJa6I)
Are wives considered dangerous game?
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 07, 2018 08:44 PM (bZ7mE)
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Autocorrect makes me cri
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 08:44 PM (g5Oh1)
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Quoting the "undeliverable email" notice:
host mx3.mindspring.com[207.69.189.219] said: 550
IP 69.89.20.122 is blocked by EarthLink.
host mx3.mindspring.com[207.69.189.219] said: 550
IP 69.89.20.122 is blocked by EarthLink.
Posted by: seachnasaigh at October 07, 2018 08:44 PM (qtTPm)
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I got to figure how to turn off my Leftist based autocucumber
Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2018 08:44 PM (T4oHT)
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Blue Bird of F'ing Joy @ 238- I have a friend who excaped NY and is like a Russian Jew in Israel. Happy to be in ETEX, is he, a transplanted Irish former cop. Yo.
Posted by: Eromero at October 07, 2018 08:45 PM (zLDYs)
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Are any of you coming to the TXMoMee? I'm bringing one of my match rifles for people to try.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 08:38 PM (g5Oh1)
I really can't realistically. It's about 1500 miles from here and I just got back from the MiMoMe (and boy are my arms tired!) last night.
Thanks for the offer though! I'm sure we'll meet up sometime.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 08:38 PM (g5Oh1)
I really can't realistically. It's about 1500 miles from here and I just got back from the MiMoMe (and boy are my arms tired!) last night.
Thanks for the offer though! I'm sure we'll meet up sometime.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2018 08:45 PM (y87Qq)
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There is a carbine course coming up at my range but they plan to shoot 1000 rounds of .223 in 8 hours. I think that is going to cost me nearly $700 or $800 in ammo!!!!
Plus I need 100 rounds of pistol ammo.
That's a lot of ammo for 8 hours.
Plus I need 100 rounds of pistol ammo.
That's a lot of ammo for 8 hours.
Posted by: WarEagle82 at October 07, 2018 08:46 PM (2BPRE)
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Negligent weapon practices go rapidly down after being kicked in the helmet by a drills boot. He he, not me, but buddies, yup. That's some funny shit.
Posted by: Smaug at October 07, 2018 08:46 PM (EMIUG)
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283 Quoting the "undeliverable email" notice:
host mx3.mindspring.com[207.69.189.219] said: 550
IP 69.89.20.122 is blocked by EarthLink.
Posted by: seachnasaigh at October 07, 2018 08:44 PM (qtTPm)
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Thanks for that. I will try and figure out the problem tomorrow. Sorry! I'll probably just make up a Gmail acct
host mx3.mindspring.com[207.69.189.219] said: 550
IP 69.89.20.122 is blocked by EarthLink.
Posted by: seachnasaigh at October 07, 2018 08:44 PM (qtTPm)
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Thanks for that. I will try and figure out the problem tomorrow. Sorry! I'll probably just make up a Gmail acct
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 08:47 PM (g5Oh1)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at October 07, 2018 08:47 PM (cgOaH)
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Mea culpa, I came this close >
Posted by: Butch at October 07, 2018 08:39 PM (hXu8T)
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I had one once, when I was decocking a .38 I had cocked to single action before going to investigate a 3:00 a.m. knock on my bedroom window. Turned out to be a couple of drunks at the wrong house. I did not wait until the adrenaline had worn off before trying to decock, and my thumb slipped off the hammer.
Gun was pointed away, but that cost me a door, a washing machine and about 30% of the hearing in my right ear.
Posted by: Butch at October 07, 2018 08:39 PM (hXu8T)
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I had one once, when I was decocking a .38 I had cocked to single action before going to investigate a 3:00 a.m. knock on my bedroom window. Turned out to be a couple of drunks at the wrong house. I did not wait until the adrenaline had worn off before trying to decock, and my thumb slipped off the hammer.
Gun was pointed away, but that cost me a door, a washing machine and about 30% of the hearing in my right ear.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at October 07, 2018 08:48 PM (I16G8)
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287 There is a carbine course coming up at my range but they plan to shoot 1000 rounds of .223 in 8 hours. I think that is going to cost me nearly $700 or $800 in ammo!!!!
Plus I need 100 rounds of pistol ammo.
That's a lot of ammo for 8 hours.
Posted by: WarEagle82 at October 07, 2018 08:46 PM (2BPRE)
Ammoseek dot com is your friend. Your very good friend. You can cut that in half, or more, including the pistol ammo.
Plus I need 100 rounds of pistol ammo.
That's a lot of ammo for 8 hours.
Posted by: WarEagle82 at October 07, 2018 08:46 PM (2BPRE)
Ammoseek dot com is your friend. Your very good friend. You can cut that in half, or more, including the pistol ammo.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 07, 2018 08:48 PM (xJa6I)
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Thanks for the offer though! I'm sure we'll meet up sometime.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2018 08:45 PM (y87Qq)
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About where are you hogmartin? I'd like to meet you sometime.
Thanks for the offer though! I'm sure we'll meet up sometime.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2018 08:45 PM (y87Qq)
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About where are you hogmartin? I'd like to meet you sometime.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 08:48 PM (g5Oh1)
Posted by: Basement Cat at October 07, 2018 08:49 PM (3C9q2)
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Jealous of getting to the MoMi. Got a headache?
Posted by: Smaug at October 07, 2018 08:49 PM (EMIUG)
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There is a carbine course coming up at my range but they plan to shoot 1000 rounds of .223 in 8 hours. I think that is going to cost me nearly $700 or $800 in ammo!!!!
That seems high. Lots of practice and plinking brass .223 under .30 rd.
https://ammoseek.com/ammo/223-remington?ca=brass
That seems high. Lots of practice and plinking brass .223 under .30 rd.
https://ammoseek.com/ammo/223-remington?ca=brass
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 07, 2018 08:49 PM (yQpMk)
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177 'How many of you have actually fired an M-16, M- 4 or what ever?'
M-14. What fun.
Posted by: freaked at October 07, 2018 08:23 PM (UdKB7)
Oh, let me wander down memory lane...
Rifles
M16A1, A2 (both of those with and without M203); XM177E1; M14, M21; M3 (the grease gun); AKM; RPK; SVD; G3; MP5
Lots of other, larger, stuff, too.
M-14. What fun.
Posted by: freaked at October 07, 2018 08:23 PM (UdKB7)
Oh, let me wander down memory lane...
Rifles
M16A1, A2 (both of those with and without M203); XM177E1; M14, M21; M3 (the grease gun); AKM; RPK; SVD; G3; MP5
Lots of other, larger, stuff, too.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at October 07, 2018 08:50 PM (di1hb)
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281 I'm as surprised as you are. But it's light, accurate, easy to use and has not had any reliability issues. It, along with my M1 Carbine are the designated wife rifles.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 07, 2018 08:41 PM (xJa6I)
Are wives considered dangerous game?
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 07, 2018 08:44 PM (bZ7mE)
Very dangerous.
But I mean they are designated the rifles she's most likely to use well in a social situation.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 07, 2018 08:41 PM (xJa6I)
Are wives considered dangerous game?
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 07, 2018 08:44 PM (bZ7mE)
Very dangerous.
But I mean they are designated the rifles she's most likely to use well in a social situation.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 07, 2018 08:50 PM (xJa6I)
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Negligent weapon practices go rapidly down after being kicked in the helmet by a drills boot. He he, not me, but buddies, yup. That's some funny shit.
Posted by: Smaug at October 07, 2018 08:46 PM
Yeah. I recall once grabbing my boss's hand and being the only thing between him and an embarrassing discharge into the clearing barrel.
Posted by: Smaug at October 07, 2018 08:46 PM
Yeah. I recall once grabbing my boss's hand and being the only thing between him and an embarrassing discharge into the clearing barrel.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 07, 2018 08:50 PM (8dJfY)
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About where are you hogmartin? I'd like to meet you sometime.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 08:48 PM (g5Oh1)
Lansing MI. Not sure if you ever have the opportunity to visit the midwest, but look me up if you do.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 08:48 PM (g5Oh1)
Lansing MI. Not sure if you ever have the opportunity to visit the midwest, but look me up if you do.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2018 08:50 PM (y87Qq)
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I also fired an M-14. The one rifle I can't shoot. It fits my body so perfectly that no matter what I do with my right thumb it smacks me in the face just above my right eye tooth. Shot an M1A (replica M-14) the other week and it did it again just like in basic training 50 years ago, and I had my thumb lying along side the stock - the way I shoot my .300 Win Mag, and it still hit me in the face.
I came out of M-14 qualifying in basic with blood dripping out of my mouth, and my lip swollen up like I'd been in a fist fight. You never saw anyone so happy to be issued an M-16.
I came out of M-14 qualifying in basic with blood dripping out of my mouth, and my lip swollen up like I'd been in a fist fight. You never saw anyone so happy to be issued an M-16.
Posted by: An Observation at October 07, 2018 08:50 PM (+tXNZ)
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tom arnold, making incoherent, drunk on sterno, homeless guys, seem normal. thanks, roseanne.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at October 07, 2018 08:51 PM (KP5rU)
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How many of you have actually fired an M-16, M- 4 or what ever?
*raises hand*
I've gotten to fire some other cool shit too. MP5, G36, M249. Lucked out and got connected with a full-auto shoot a while back. Expensive as hell, but worth it.
*raises hand*
I've gotten to fire some other cool shit too. MP5, G36, M249. Lucked out and got connected with a full-auto shoot a while back. Expensive as hell, but worth it.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 07, 2018 08:51 PM (NWiLs)
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I don't make it here as much as I used to. Does Iron Grandpa ever make an appearance anymore?
Posted by: Tobacco Road at October 07, 2018 08:51 PM (TxgK1)
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I also fired an M-14. The one rifle I can't shoot. It fits my body so perfectly that no matter what I do with my right thumb it smacks me in the face just above my right eye tooth. Shot an M1A (replica M-14) the other week and it did it again just like in basic training 50 years ago, and I had my thumb lying along side the stock - the way I shoot my .300 Win Mag, and it still hit me in the face.
I came out of M-14 qualifying in basic with blood dripping out of my mouth, and my lip swollen up like I'd been in a fist fight. You never saw anyone so happy to be issued an M-16.
Posted by: An Observation at October 07, 2018 08:50 PM
LOL. Fair enough.
I came out of M-14 qualifying in basic with blood dripping out of my mouth, and my lip swollen up like I'd been in a fist fight. You never saw anyone so happy to be issued an M-16.
Posted by: An Observation at October 07, 2018 08:50 PM
LOL. Fair enough.
Posted by: otho at October 07, 2018 08:52 PM (LkFnL)
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Are any of you coming to the TXMoMee? I'm bringing one of my match rifles for people to try.
What is the preferred ammo for your match rifle? Hand loads only, or is there a commercial favorite?
What is the preferred ammo for your match rifle? Hand loads only, or is there a commercial favorite?
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 07, 2018 08:52 PM (lD3vL)
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Lansing MI. Not sure if you ever have the opportunity to visit the midwest, but look me up if you do.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2018 08:50 PM (y87Qq)
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Will do!
Lansing MI. Not sure if you ever have the opportunity to visit the midwest, but look me up if you do.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2018 08:50 PM (y87Qq)
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Will do!
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 08:52 PM (MVjcR)
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Grey Fox
Are wives considered dangerous game?
Depends on the timing of comments on her sister's rack.
Are wives considered dangerous game?
Depends on the timing of comments on her sister's rack.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 07, 2018 08:52 PM (hyuyC)
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204 I didn't know Kav was a Nats fan. My opinion of him just went up and it was already high. Now if we can just get him and his family shooting at the range.
Posted by: JTB at October 07, 2018 08:28 PM (V+03K)
I remember reading that one of the justices (Roberts? Scalia?) took Elena Kagan out shooting. I wonder if anything ever came of that.
Posted by: JTB at October 07, 2018 08:28 PM (V+03K)
I remember reading that one of the justices (Roberts? Scalia?) took Elena Kagan out shooting. I wonder if anything ever came of that.
Posted by: rickl at October 07, 2018 08:52 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 07, 2018 08:52 PM (yQpMk)
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Never shot an honest to God M14, but I have shot the M1A, M1 Garand and M1 carbine. All great fun.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 07, 2018 08:53 PM (NWiLs)
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306 Are any of you coming to the TXMoMee? I'm bringing one of my match rifles for people to try.
What is the preferred ammo for your match rifle? Hand loads only, or is there a commercial favorite?
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 07, 2018 08:52 PM (lD3vL)
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and I shoot handloads. I'm bringing 200rounds, so as long as that lasts!!
What is the preferred ammo for your match rifle? Hand loads only, or is there a commercial favorite?
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 07, 2018 08:52 PM (lD3vL)
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and I shoot handloads. I'm bringing 200rounds, so as long as that lasts!!
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 08:53 PM (MVjcR)
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I don't make it here as much as I used to. Does Iron Grandpa ever make an appearance anymore?
Posted by: Tobacco Road at October 07, 2018 08:51 PM (TxgK1)
Remember the Star Spangled banner being played over the fighter jet clips and the flag at the end, when stations used to sign off the air at midnight?
irongrampa is that for the ONT.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at October 07, 2018 08:51 PM (TxgK1)
Remember the Star Spangled banner being played over the fighter jet clips and the flag at the end, when stations used to sign off the air at midnight?
irongrampa is that for the ONT.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2018 08:53 PM (y87Qq)
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We are watching Chappaquiick, the movie. Interesting.
Scumbag went on to the "Lion of the Senate". Sad. Bigly. Basically a murderer.
Scumbag went on to the "Lion of the Senate". Sad. Bigly. Basically a murderer.
Posted by: Farmer at October 07, 2018 08:53 PM (yJ1e6)
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304 I don't make it here as much as I used to. Does Iron Grandpa ever make an appearance anymore?
Posted by: Tobacco Road at October 07, 2018 08:51 PM (TxgK1)
He mostly comes at night. Mostly.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at October 07, 2018 08:51 PM (TxgK1)
He mostly comes at night. Mostly.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 07, 2018 08:54 PM (NWiLs)
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Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2018 07:36 PM (T4oHT)
Skip, that link you provided says household gun ownership has gone down 19% in the last 30 years? I don't believe it.
Skip, that link you provided says household gun ownership has gone down 19% in the last 30 years? I don't believe it.
Posted by: clutch at October 07, 2018 08:54 PM (kiSdp)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at October 07, 2018 08:54 PM (dYwTR)
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Where's Uncle Palpatine? He's missing out on a whole thread where he can describe how worthless the AR-15 is compared to SMR AK platform.
Posted by: Gref at October 07, 2018 08:54 PM (AMIL/)
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306 Are any of you coming to the TXMoMee? I'm bringing one of my match rifles for people to try.
What is the preferred ammo for your match rifle? Hand loads only, or is there a commercial favorite?
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 07, 2018 08:52 PM (lD3vL)
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Dammit. That got cut off. Trying again...
its a 6.5-284 and I shoot handloads....
What is the preferred ammo for your match rifle? Hand loads only, or is there a commercial favorite?
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 07, 2018 08:52 PM (lD3vL)
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Dammit. That got cut off. Trying again...
its a 6.5-284 and I shoot handloads....
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 08:54 PM (MVjcR)
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Skip, that link you provided says household gun ownership has gone down 19% in the last 30 years?
More for me then.
More for me then.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 07, 2018 08:55 PM (yQpMk)
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Who else has a won a double expert medal? Pin that on brah.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 07, 2018 08:55 PM (OoMmn)
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318 Where's Uncle Palpatine? He's missing out on a whole thread where he can describe how worthless the AR-15 is compared to SMR AK platform.
Posted by: Gref at October 07, 2018 08:54 PM (AMIL/)
I believe he refers to it as the "superior Kalashnikov platform."
Posted by: Gref at October 07, 2018 08:54 PM (AMIL/)
I believe he refers to it as the "superior Kalashnikov platform."
Posted by: Insomniac at October 07, 2018 08:55 PM (NWiLs)
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and I shoot handloads. I'm bringing 200rounds, so as long as that lasts!!
I'm coming via motorcycle, so I can carry ammo and pistols without unnecessary attention.
Would be bad form to show up without bringing in courtesy ammunition.
I'm coming via motorcycle, so I can carry ammo and pistols without unnecessary attention.
Would be bad form to show up without bringing in courtesy ammunition.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 07, 2018 08:56 PM (lD3vL)
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Panzerfaust > AR-15
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 07, 2018 08:56 PM (5w+hd)
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For those interested. Knob Creek machine gun shoot is this weekend. Hope a bunch of you can make it.
Posted by: harleycowboy at October 07, 2018 08:56 PM (+9AX9)
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OT, but I've been bursting into tears all wknd. Is that normal? I miss dad so much.
Posted by: Infidel at October 07, 2018 08:56 PM (PhT3S)
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Remember the Star Spangled banner being played over the fighter jet clips and the flag at the end, when stations used to sign off the air at midnight?
irongrampa is that for the ONT.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2018 08:53 PM (y87Qq)
He mostly comes at night. Mostly.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 07, 2018 08:54 PM (NWiLs)
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Thanks. Good to know he is still around.
irongrampa is that for the ONT.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2018 08:53 PM (y87Qq)
He mostly comes at night. Mostly.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 07, 2018 08:54 PM (NWiLs)
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Thanks. Good to know he is still around.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at October 07, 2018 08:57 PM (TxgK1)
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War Eagle @ 287- 2 words.....SGAmmo!
Posted by: Eromero at October 07, 2018 08:57 PM (zLDYs)
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321 Who else has a won a double expert medal? Pin that on brah.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 07, 2018 08:55 PM (OoMmn)
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I have NRA classifications but no military qualifications.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 07, 2018 08:55 PM (OoMmn)
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I have NRA classifications but no military qualifications.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 08:57 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 07, 2018 08:57 PM (8Jf80)
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Jealous of getting to the MoMi. Got a headache?
Posted by: Smaug at October 07, 2018 08:49 PM (EMIUG)
Only because the oncall phone dragged me back to Lansing from Chelsea and I spent six and a half hours in a freezing datacenter in damp clothes before I got home at 4:30am.
But I got to meet lots of wonderful people and hand out door prizes (including two signed by Weasel!) and finish dinner before the phone rang, so I shouldn't complain.
Posted by: Smaug at October 07, 2018 08:49 PM (EMIUG)
Only because the oncall phone dragged me back to Lansing from Chelsea and I spent six and a half hours in a freezing datacenter in damp clothes before I got home at 4:30am.
But I got to meet lots of wonderful people and hand out door prizes (including two signed by Weasel!) and finish dinner before the phone rang, so I shouldn't complain.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2018 08:57 PM (y87Qq)
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316 Only if the upcoming population isn't keeping up with the older population gun ownership and with Leftists Seminary preaching no guns allowed maybe that's the answer.
Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2018 08:57 PM (T4oHT)
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OT, but I've been bursting into tears all wknd. Is that normal? I miss dad so much.
Posted by: Infidel
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Yes.
It took me 20 years to get past the loss of mine.
Posted by: Infidel
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Yes.
It took me 20 years to get past the loss of mine.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at October 07, 2018 08:58 PM (TxgK1)
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323 and I shoot handloads. I'm bringing 200rounds, so as long as that lasts!!
I'm coming via motorcycle, so I can carry ammo and pistols without unnecessary attention.
Would be bad form to show up without bringing in courtesy ammunition.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 07, 2018 08:56 PM (lD3vL)
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Don't worry about it. Thanks for the offer, but it's my pleasure!
I'm coming via motorcycle, so I can carry ammo and pistols without unnecessary attention.
Would be bad form to show up without bringing in courtesy ammunition.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 07, 2018 08:56 PM (lD3vL)
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Don't worry about it. Thanks for the offer, but it's my pleasure!
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 08:58 PM (MVjcR)
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why don't y'all just send the nsa a map of your house, so they don't have to tear the walls down to find your shit? wtf?
Posted by: chavez the hugo at October 07, 2018 08:58 PM (KP5rU)
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Infidel
Let the water flow. Your Dad will approve. And it helps wash away some of the righteous grief.
Let the water flow. Your Dad will approve. And it helps wash away some of the righteous grief.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 07, 2018 08:58 PM (hyuyC)
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Don't be ashamed of the tears Infidel, you miss him terribly and it hurts to know he won't be around.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at October 07, 2018 08:59 PM (8Jf80)
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Ok, my TWD viewership is going to have to go back to On Demand and I'm not good at keeping that up.
Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2018 08:59 PM (T4oHT)
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332 316 Only if the upcoming population isn't keeping up with the older population gun ownership and with Leftists Seminary preaching no guns allowed maybe that's the answer.
Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2018 08:57 PM (T4oHT)
Well, and without digging into all the source material, it appears to be based on survey data, so I would want to know the N, the structure of the survey, response rate, etc. Also, I can only speak for myself, but if some rando calls me up asking me about my gun ownership, I'm not going to talk to them about it.
Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2018 08:57 PM (T4oHT)
Well, and without digging into all the source material, it appears to be based on survey data, so I would want to know the N, the structure of the survey, response rate, etc. Also, I can only speak for myself, but if some rando calls me up asking me about my gun ownership, I'm not going to talk to them about it.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 07, 2018 08:59 PM (NWiLs)
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OT, but I've been bursting into tears all wknd. Is that normal? I miss dad so much.
Posted by: Infidel at October 07, 2018 08:56 PM
Yes. Had a few moments like that myself this week.
Posted by: Infidel at October 07, 2018 08:56 PM
Yes. Had a few moments like that myself this week.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 07, 2018 09:00 PM (8dJfY)
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I believe he refers to it as the "superior Kalashnikov platform."
The AK seems fine for what it designed for. Made to run dirty and loose. Some times over designed, IMO. The gas piston on my Polish milled 1960 model is dished on the end, which I thought was an odd bit of extra machine work. Then I learned that it is intended to act as a carbon scraper in the gas tube on the return stroke. I really can't believe that that is an issue or necessary but it probably looked good to the military brass.
The AK seems fine for what it designed for. Made to run dirty and loose. Some times over designed, IMO. The gas piston on my Polish milled 1960 model is dished on the end, which I thought was an odd bit of extra machine work. Then I learned that it is intended to act as a carbon scraper in the gas tube on the return stroke. I really can't believe that that is an issue or necessary but it probably looked good to the military brass.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 07, 2018 09:00 PM (yQpMk)
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Weasel, are you flying with all that hardware. I am not worthy ...
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 07, 2018 09:00 PM (hyuyC)
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326 OT, but I've been bursting into tears all wknd. Is that normal? I miss dad so much.
Posted by: Infidel at October 07, 2018 08:56 PM (PhT3S)
You're grieving. It's OK. And you're among friends here.
Posted by: Infidel at October 07, 2018 08:56 PM (PhT3S)
You're grieving. It's OK. And you're among friends here.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 07, 2018 09:00 PM (NWiLs)
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326 OT, but I've been bursting into tears all wknd. Is that normal? I miss dad so much.
Posted by: Infidel at October 07, 2018 08:56 PM (PhT3S)
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Been there man. The big hole in your life never completely goes away, but it does become easier to navigate around.
Posted by: Infidel at October 07, 2018 08:56 PM (PhT3S)
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Been there man. The big hole in your life never completely goes away, but it does become easier to navigate around.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 09:00 PM (MVjcR)
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327 Remember the Star Spangled banner being played over the fighter jet clips and the flag at the end, when stations used to sign off the air at midnight
Good stuff, that.
Before the closing National Anthem, some stations played a reading of the High Flight poem, with film of an F-104 blasting through the stratosphere.
Good stuff, that.
Before the closing National Anthem, some stations played a reading of the High Flight poem, with film of an F-104 blasting through the stratosphere.
Posted by: Gref at October 07, 2018 09:01 PM (AMIL/)
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Infidel
I'm sure he would want you to go on without him. Just like you left home without him. Go, and may God be with you.
I'm sure he would want you to go on without him. Just like you left home without him. Go, and may God be with you.
Posted by: harleycowboy at October 07, 2018 09:01 PM (+9AX9)
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My long-time old college buddy had one of those early semi-auto Colts. His didn't have the forward assist and I seem to remember that that was considered a "naughty" feature on the civilian versions for quite a while.
I usually put 25 rounds in the 30-round magazine and haven't experienced feed problems. I suspect that a lot of those feed problems are due to springs being compressed for too long and taking a "set." For that reason, it is a good idea to rotate magazines and let the springs relax.
I usually put 25 rounds in the 30-round magazine and haven't experienced feed problems. I suspect that a lot of those feed problems are due to springs being compressed for too long and taking a "set." For that reason, it is a good idea to rotate magazines and let the springs relax.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at October 07, 2018 09:02 PM (5Yee7)
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342 Weasel, are you flying with all that hardware. I am not worthy ...
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 07, 2018 09:00 PM (hyuyC)
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Yep. No problem, I'm used to it. I'm leaving the front and rear rests at home though, so we'll have to improvise. It's only 150 yards or so, so we can rig something up.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 07, 2018 09:00 PM (hyuyC)
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Yep. No problem, I'm used to it. I'm leaving the front and rear rests at home though, so we'll have to improvise. It's only 150 yards or so, so we can rig something up.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 09:02 PM (MVjcR)
349
Your Average Joe needs 2 things on an AR: a sling so you can retain it, and a light so you don't shoot holes into someone or something you shouldn't. All the rest of the stuff is excess weight and expense for 99 percent of owners. It's your money, do what you want, but it's probably better spent on range time and training courses.
Posted by: PabloD at October 07, 2018 09:03 PM (olJXj)
350
Been there man. The big hole in your life never completely goes away, but it does become easier to navigate around.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 09:00 PM
Yep. Never gets better, but does get a little easier eventually. *sigh*
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 09:00 PM
Yep. Never gets better, but does get a little easier eventually. *sigh*
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 07, 2018 09:04 PM (8dJfY)
351
If the FN FAL had remained a .280 caliber, would the M16 have been necessary?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 07, 2018 09:04 PM (yQpMk)
352
I always thought a line of anti-static, cardigans, vests, and hoodies for data center and noc's would be a strong seller. Easy to roll up sleeves, lots of pen slots, and pithy geek sayings -something between Scott Adams and Ranger Up.
Posted by: Jean at October 07, 2018 09:04 PM (UXFaG)
353
Also, I can only speak for myself, but if some rando calls me up asking me about my gun ownership, I'm not going to talk to them about it.
Same here.
Same here.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 07, 2018 09:04 PM (bZ7mE)
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349 Your Average Joe needs 2 things on an AR: a sling so you can retain it, and a light so you don't shoot holes into someone or something you shouldn't. All the rest of the stuff is excess weight and expense for 99 percent of owners. It's your money, do what you want, but it's probably better spent on range time and training courses.
Posted by: PabloD at October 07, 2018 09:03 PM (olJXj
And optics. Don't forget the optics.
349 Your Average Joe needs 2 things on an AR: a sling so you can retain it, and a light so you don't shoot holes into someone or something you shouldn't. All the rest of the stuff is excess weight and expense for 99 percent of owners. It's your money, do what you want, but it's probably better spent on range time and training courses.
Posted by: PabloD at October 07, 2018 09:03 PM (olJXj
And optics. Don't forget the optics.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 07, 2018 09:04 PM (pUDQf)
355
Weasel, tell me what you need
Posted by: Ben Had at October 07, 2018 09:04 PM (nudZs)
356
lost my dad in 2005, it still hurts, sometimes. wouldn't be human if it didn't.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at October 07, 2018 09:05 PM (KP5rU)
357
KI've got to go, but thank you for a very interesting gun thread. I appreciate all the help and commentary.
Weasel, see you in less than 2 weeks! Then you can know who to look for on the TV. No more Mr. Passive Resistance.
Weasel, see you in less than 2 weeks! Then you can know who to look for on the TV. No more Mr. Passive Resistance.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 07, 2018 09:05 PM (hyuyC)
358
Also, I can only speak for myself, but if some rando calls me up asking me about my gun ownership, I'm not going to talk to them about it.
That or come off as a raving hoplophobe. Anyone can call up, pose as a pollster and ask for your inventory prior to a break-in.
That or come off as a raving hoplophobe. Anyone can call up, pose as a pollster and ask for your inventory prior to a break-in.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 07, 2018 09:05 PM (lD3vL)
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OT, but I've been bursting into tears all wknd. Is that normal? I miss dad so much.
Posted by: Infidel at October 07, 2018 08:56 PM (PhT3S)
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Yes, it is unfortunately part of the process. When I lost my wife I would do things like walk into the house and call out her name occasionally for several months after she passed. Guaranteed breakdown on those occasions.
I'm so sorry for your loss, and please come here and share whenever you feel the need. Be well.
Posted by: Infidel at October 07, 2018 08:56 PM (PhT3S)
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Yes, it is unfortunately part of the process. When I lost my wife I would do things like walk into the house and call out her name occasionally for several months after she passed. Guaranteed breakdown on those occasions.
I'm so sorry for your loss, and please come here and share whenever you feel the need. Be well.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at October 07, 2018 09:05 PM (I16G8)
360
Never shot an honest to God M14, but I have shot the M1A, M1 Garand and M1 carbine. All great fun.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 07, 2018 08:53 PM
Got to muck around with the Garand, M1 Carbine, Sten gun, MP40, Arisaka rifle, Carcano rifle, DP MG, SVT rifle, Mosin, AK47, K98 and STG44 assault rifle. Bunch of stuff they had stashed that they thought would be useful to get familiar with.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 07, 2018 08:53 PM
Got to muck around with the Garand, M1 Carbine, Sten gun, MP40, Arisaka rifle, Carcano rifle, DP MG, SVT rifle, Mosin, AK47, K98 and STG44 assault rifle. Bunch of stuff they had stashed that they thought would be useful to get familiar with.
Posted by: otho at October 07, 2018 09:05 PM (LkFnL)
361
Ben Had, when does the fun begin?
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 07, 2018 09:06 PM (lD3vL)
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351 If the FN FAL had remained a .280 caliber, would the M16 have been necessary?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 07, 2018 09:04 PM (yQpMk)
Huh. I didn't know this before. Who says this place isn't educational?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 07, 2018 09:04 PM (yQpMk)
Huh. I didn't know this before. Who says this place isn't educational?
Posted by: Insomniac at October 07, 2018 09:06 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Eromero at October 07, 2018 09:06 PM (zLDYs)
364
Twelve pounds vs 7.5 doesn't sound like much until you hike it for a few days.
I qualified on the M-14 and M-16. I prefer the 14 for shooting but the 16 for hiking.
Posted by: Ranger Dave at October 07, 2018 07:56 PM
Oh yeah. The weight was good for a combat rifle. That was it's biggest plus.
Posted by: otho at October 07, 2018 08:00 PM (LkFnL)
Actually, the biggest plus is that it allows you to carry more ammo per pound. Which is the common argument in favor of the 5.56, but that's just a superficial look at the issue.
The amount of ammo carried is important because of modern infantry doctrine (which actually goes back to pre-WWII). Mainly because of the doctrine of fire superiority. Most of the ammo that an infantryman fires in combat isn't actually aimed at an enemy soldier. It's fired at likely areas of enemy cover and concealment during a firefight. The idea is to pin the enemy down so that he's not willing to stick his head out from behind the tree because he keeps hearing bullets snapping 18" past his head. That's fire superiority. Then you can send the assault element around to his flank so that they can close with the enemy and shoot him in the face.
This is why you often have huge amounts of ammo fired for every enemy soldier killed. It's NOT because the soldier is a shitty shot, it's because that is DOCTRINE.
So that's the big doctrinal reason that the 5.56 was adopted. It allows the infantry platoon a much better chance of achieving fire superiority over an enemy unit, which leads to victory on the battlefield.
Twelve pounds vs 7.5 doesn't sound like much until you hike it for a few days.
I qualified on the M-14 and M-16. I prefer the 14 for shooting but the 16 for hiking.
Posted by: Ranger Dave at October 07, 2018 07:56 PM
Oh yeah. The weight was good for a combat rifle. That was it's biggest plus.
Posted by: otho at October 07, 2018 08:00 PM (LkFnL)
Actually, the biggest plus is that it allows you to carry more ammo per pound. Which is the common argument in favor of the 5.56, but that's just a superficial look at the issue.
The amount of ammo carried is important because of modern infantry doctrine (which actually goes back to pre-WWII). Mainly because of the doctrine of fire superiority. Most of the ammo that an infantryman fires in combat isn't actually aimed at an enemy soldier. It's fired at likely areas of enemy cover and concealment during a firefight. The idea is to pin the enemy down so that he's not willing to stick his head out from behind the tree because he keeps hearing bullets snapping 18" past his head. That's fire superiority. Then you can send the assault element around to his flank so that they can close with the enemy and shoot him in the face.
This is why you often have huge amounts of ammo fired for every enemy soldier killed. It's NOT because the soldier is a shitty shot, it's because that is DOCTRINE.
So that's the big doctrinal reason that the 5.56 was adopted. It allows the infantry platoon a much better chance of achieving fire superiority over an enemy unit, which leads to victory on the battlefield.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 07, 2018 09:07 PM (eXA4G)
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355 Weasel, tell me what you need
Posted by: Ben Had at October 07, 2018 09:04 PM (nudZs)
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Howdy Ben Had! I will bring some of what I need, but if you could ask Jim to bring a steel ammo can that would be helpful. It's really not a problem..
Posted by: Ben Had at October 07, 2018 09:04 PM (nudZs)
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Howdy Ben Had! I will bring some of what I need, but if you could ask Jim to bring a steel ammo can that would be helpful. It's really not a problem..
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 09:07 PM (MVjcR)
366
Also, I can only speak for myself, but if some rando calls me up asking me about my gun ownership, I'm not going to talk to them about it.
Same here.
Posted by: Grey Fox
I will cry on the phone and say they made me pee myself when they used the word "gun".
Same here.
Posted by: Grey Fox
I will cry on the phone and say they made me pee myself when they used the word "gun".
Posted by: Jean at October 07, 2018 09:07 PM (UXFaG)
367
163 'His response was "It's not loaded." '
My brother in law was killed with a gun that was not loaded.
So his buddy thought.
Posted by: The Hamburgler at October 07, 2018 08:18 PM (UdKB7)
Happened in my family also. The kid shooter had never handled a firearm. Still chokes me up.
My brother in law was killed with a gun that was not loaded.
So his buddy thought.
Posted by: The Hamburgler at October 07, 2018 08:18 PM (UdKB7)
Happened in my family also. The kid shooter had never handled a firearm. Still chokes me up.
Posted by: clutch at October 07, 2018 09:07 PM (kiSdp)
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367 163 'His response was "It's not loaded." '
My brother in law was killed with a gun that was not loaded.
So his buddy thought.
Posted by: The Hamburgler at October 07, 2018 08:18 PM (UdKB7)
Happened in my family also. The kid shooter had never handled a firearm. Still chokes me up.
Posted by: clutch at October 07, 2018 09:07 PM (kiSdp)
Shit, guys. I am so sorry. That's just awful.
My brother in law was killed with a gun that was not loaded.
So his buddy thought.
Posted by: The Hamburgler at October 07, 2018 08:18 PM (UdKB7)
Happened in my family also. The kid shooter had never handled a firearm. Still chokes me up.
Posted by: clutch at October 07, 2018 09:07 PM (kiSdp)
Shit, guys. I am so sorry. That's just awful.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 07, 2018 09:08 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 07, 2018 09:08 PM (yQpMk)
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Blue Bird, sorry, did I not send you that info?
Posted by: Ben Had at October 07, 2018 09:08 PM (nudZs)
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Two hitches in the Corps, 1969 to 1976, I've shot both M14 and M16 a lot. A previous commenter summed it up, one to shoot, one to carry. It's kind of like leaving a 1911 at home because it's too heavy, and you don't pack that svelte little .380. The m16 will get the job done.
Posted by: bill in arkansas at October 07, 2018 09:08 PM (xzqr4)
372
Huh. I didn't know this before. Who says this place isn't educational?
Posted by: Insomniac at October 07, 2018 09:06 PM (NWiLs)
You'll probably want to be sitting down when someone tells you the Garand rifle was designed to be a .276.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 07, 2018 09:06 PM (NWiLs)
You'll probably want to be sitting down when someone tells you the Garand rifle was designed to be a .276.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2018 09:09 PM (y87Qq)
373
many people have been killed by unloaded guns, wtf? that is just borderline criminal.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at October 07, 2018 09:09 PM (KP5rU)
374
I'm a left handed shooter, I didn't find out I was an expert shooter until after everyone that qualified got to go to the club and party for a couple of hours. They locked my targets and I didn't get the real results until later Still got that medal though. Man there was a reserve girl from Denver I wanted.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 07, 2018 09:09 PM (OoMmn)
375
Chavez, pretty sure the en ess ay already know where I live and what I got. But quite where I got it, he, he, good luck fuckers.
Posted by: Smaug at October 07, 2018 09:09 PM (EMIUG)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 07, 2018 09:10 PM (pUDQf)
377
Then you can send the assault element around to his flank so that they can close with the enemy and shoot him in the face.
Fix their position, illuminate, and kill with Hellfire.
Fix their position, illuminate, and kill with Hellfire.
Posted by: Jean at October 07, 2018 09:10 PM (UXFaG)
378
Directions yes, reminder to bring a chair and the menu, but not times.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 07, 2018 09:10 PM (lD3vL)
379
In Canada at matches, your shooting buddy AND a range officer have to verify your weapon is clear before it leaves the line. Forget once and they toss you off the range.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 09:11 PM (MVjcR)
380
Hogmartin, bummer on the call back. Glad you still got to enjoy part of the evening.
Posted by: Smaug at October 07, 2018 09:11 PM (EMIUG)
381
375; i doubt if the fuckers know one way or the other, what i have, and where.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at October 07, 2018 09:11 PM (KP5rU)
382
Weasel, no need for Jim to do that.
Posted by: Ben Had at October 07, 2018 09:11 PM (nudZs)
383
You'll probably want to be sitting down when someone tells you the Garand rifle was designed to be a .276.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2018 09:09 PM (y87Qq)
IIRC, it was Douglas MacArthur who shot that down, due to the large stocks of 30-06 on hand.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2018 09:09 PM (y87Qq)
IIRC, it was Douglas MacArthur who shot that down, due to the large stocks of 30-06 on hand.
Posted by: Gref at October 07, 2018 09:12 PM (AMIL/)
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Don't meddle with old unloaded firearms. They are the most deadly and unerring things that have ever been created by man. You don't have to take any pains at all with them; you don't have to have a rest, you don't have to have any sights on the gun, you don't have to take aim, even. No, you just pick out a relative and bang away, and you are sure to get him. A youth who can't hit a cathedral at thirty yards with a Gatling gun in three-quarters of an hour, can take up an old empty musket and bag his mother every time at a hundred. Think what Waterloo would have been if one of the armies had been boys armed with old rusty muskets supposed not to be loaded, and the other army had been composed of their female relations. The very thought of it makes me shudder.
-Mark Twain
-Mark Twain
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 07, 2018 09:12 PM (bZ7mE)
385
Bama: optics are fine, especially for people with vision issues, but even with a blurry dominant eye I can still ding a standard torso target at 200 yards. And I'm going to be hard pressed to justify that shot in court. Most likely, I'll be sending rounds down a 20 foot hallway, in which case it'll be more important to remember the mechanical offset than the drop at 200 yards.
Posted by: PabloD at October 07, 2018 09:12 PM (olJXj)
386
I'm still trying to figure out how people shoot themselves while cleaning their guns.
Posted by: harleycowboy at October 07, 2018 09:12 PM (+9AX9)
387
I always thought a line of anti-static, cardigans, vests, and hoodies for data center and noc's would be a strong seller. Easy to roll up sleeves, lots of pen slots, and pithy geek sayings -something between Scott Adams and Ranger Up.
Posted by: Jean at October 07, 2018 09:04 PM (UXFaG)
This is not a bad idea. Or maybe discreet flannel-lined khakis and oxford shirts.
Posted by: Jean at October 07, 2018 09:04 PM (UXFaG)
This is not a bad idea. Or maybe discreet flannel-lined khakis and oxford shirts.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2018 09:12 PM (y87Qq)
388
With the ownership statistics, I doubt the actual percentage of people who own guns has decreased over the years, but rather the attitude about reporting that you own them to some "pollster" has changed.
Posted by: Boofffffperch at October 07, 2018 09:12 PM (WyU9y)
389
The FAL dropping block action (very similar to the SKS) is really more suited to an intermediate cartridge. Upping it to a .308 rifle cartridge was really pushing the design.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 07, 2018 09:12 PM (yQpMk)
390
382 Weasel, no need for Jim to do that.
Posted by: Ben Had at October 07, 2018 09:11 PM (nudZs)
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Ok. If you have one that's great. We can also use some short sections of 2x6. I could also just stop being lazy and ship my stuff to you.
Posted by: Ben Had at October 07, 2018 09:11 PM (nudZs)
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Ok. If you have one that's great. We can also use some short sections of 2x6. I could also just stop being lazy and ship my stuff to you.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 09:13 PM (MVjcR)
391
Blue Bird -11:00 am
Posted by: Ben Had at October 07, 2018 09:13 PM (nudZs)
392
Surprisingly no one seem to talk of making your AR
.22 compliant- both as a tactical reason and practical. Practical
because .22 nearly grows on trees; the stuff is everywhere. Sadly, not
re-loadable, but so prevalent you can count on just about any place
having some.
Tactical because having a backup calibre is smart- ALL of my iron
materials have dual usage. ..
Posted by: Mr wolf
I have a CMMG .22LR adapter bolt carrier assembly for my AR. Rarely use it, it's somewhere in the back of my safe, but I have it.
.22 compliant- both as a tactical reason and practical. Practical
because .22 nearly grows on trees; the stuff is everywhere. Sadly, not
re-loadable, but so prevalent you can count on just about any place
having some.
Tactical because having a backup calibre is smart- ALL of my iron
materials have dual usage. ..
Posted by: Mr wolf
I have a CMMG .22LR adapter bolt carrier assembly for my AR. Rarely use it, it's somewhere in the back of my safe, but I have it.
Posted by: Oedipus at October 07, 2018 09:13 PM (CXLVd)
393
IIRC, it was Douglas MacArthur who shot that down, due to the large stocks of 30-06 on hand.
It was still the Great Depression and the Army had billions of rounds left over from WWI.
It was still the Great Depression and the Army had billions of rounds left over from WWI.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 07, 2018 09:14 PM (yQpMk)
394
In Canada at matches, your shooting buddy AND a range officer have to verify your weapon is clear before it leaves the line. Forget once and they toss you off the range.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 09:11 PM (MVjcR)
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The outdoor range I used to go to required chamber flags for all guns on the bench, guns pointed downrange, and that you took 3 steps back when the range was called cold.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 09:11 PM (MVjcR)
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The outdoor range I used to go to required chamber flags for all guns on the bench, guns pointed downrange, and that you took 3 steps back when the range was called cold.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at October 07, 2018 09:14 PM (I16G8)
395
Is your first line of home defense an AR or a handgun?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 07, 2018 09:15 PM (pUDQf)
396
You have to look long and hard in these parts to find someone who doesn't own a gun. Likewise, try and find someone who will admit to it.
Posted by: bill in arkansas at October 07, 2018 09:15 PM (xzqr4)
397
If the FN FAL had remained a .280 caliber, would the M16 have been necessary?
If you want to play that game, what if the M1 had been approved in .276 as John C. intended? Then the M14 would have been the same and maybe there would have been no need for the M16. I guess it would have eventually been replaced by something more "modern" due to cost and weight.
If you want to play that game, what if the M1 had been approved in .276 as John C. intended? Then the M14 would have been the same and maybe there would have been no need for the M16. I guess it would have eventually been replaced by something more "modern" due to cost and weight.
Posted by: Bob Boof the Bilderberg at October 07, 2018 09:15 PM (cTajt)
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The outdoor range I used to go to required chamber flags for all guns on the bench, guns pointed downrange, and that you took 3 steps back when the range was called cold.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at October 07, 2018 09:14 PM (I16G
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The very same at any well run match. It's a quick way to get yelled at or sent home.
The outdoor range I used to go to required chamber flags for all guns on the bench, guns pointed downrange, and that you took 3 steps back when the range was called cold.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at October 07, 2018 09:14 PM (I16G
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The very same at any well run match. It's a quick way to get yelled at or sent home.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 09:16 PM (MVjcR)
399
OT: I watched Ben Shapiro's show on Fox tonight. First segment (monolog), great. Second segment, Tom Arnold who literally did not stop talking for the entire segment -- awful. Third segment, with a panel of three, so-so.
I was hoping for better.
I was hoping for better.
Posted by: smilin jack at October 07, 2018 09:16 PM (yDxHh)
Posted by: dad29 at October 07, 2018 09:16 PM (7Kti7)
401
Oh, I do remember an interesting discharge. My father and brothers are all careless as shit. I refuse to hunt with their dumasses.
My dad left his muzzleloader tamped and primed. I saw it and called him an idjit, took it outside and discharged it into the field below. To a "clink."
Hit an irrigation pipe. Told him he got what he deserved.
My dad left his muzzleloader tamped and primed. I saw it and called him an idjit, took it outside and discharged it into the field below. To a "clink."
Hit an irrigation pipe. Told him he got what he deserved.
Posted by: Smaug at October 07, 2018 09:16 PM (EMIUG)
402
I'm still trying to figure out how people shoot themselves while cleaning their guns.
Posted by: harleycowboy at October 07, 2018 09:12 PM (+9AX9)
Actually, I'd say that 3 out of 4 "cleaning accidents" are actually some idiot playing with his loaded pistol doing quick draws or spinning it on his trigger finger Old West-style.
It's less embarrassing to claim "cleaning accident" than to say "I'm a fucking idiot".
I'm still trying to figure out how people shoot themselves while cleaning their guns.
Posted by: harleycowboy at October 07, 2018 09:12 PM (+9AX9)
Actually, I'd say that 3 out of 4 "cleaning accidents" are actually some idiot playing with his loaded pistol doing quick draws or spinning it on his trigger finger Old West-style.
It's less embarrassing to claim "cleaning accident" than to say "I'm a fucking idiot".
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 07, 2018 09:16 PM (eXA4G)
403
You'll probably want to be sitting down when someone tells you the Garand rifle was designed to be a .276.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2018 09:09 PM (y87Qq)
*faints dead away*
Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2018 09:09 PM (y87Qq)
*faints dead away*
Posted by: Insomniac at October 07, 2018 09:16 PM (NWiLs)
404
Hope all at the MIMomee are having a blast. I wanted to make it but work interfered.
Maybe in the next few yrs when I'm retired. Rock on there.
Maybe in the next few yrs when I'm retired. Rock on there.
Posted by: Farmer at October 07, 2018 09:16 PM (yJ1e6)
405
Weasel, there's no since shipping things that I can have on hand for you.
Posted by: Ben Had at October 07, 2018 09:16 PM (nudZs)
406
396: i will never admit to owning any firearms, to anybody. trust noone.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at October 07, 2018 09:17 PM (KP5rU)
407
I like to say in war it takes a man's weight in ammo to kill him, been so since firearms were invented
Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2018 09:17 PM (T4oHT)
408
As I understand it, you can fire the .223 in the 5.56 but not to fire a 5.56 in the .223.
So except for some application, always fire .223 using a 5.56 barrel.
That would seem to be a rule of thumb.
Unless of course i've got it backwards.
So except for some application, always fire .223 using a 5.56 barrel.
That would seem to be a rule of thumb.
Unless of course i've got it backwards.
Posted by: jakee308 at October 07, 2018 09:17 PM (uCk+e)
409
"...spinning it on his trigger finger Old West-style."That happened to a kid in my school.
Posted by: harleycowboy at October 07, 2018 09:17 PM (+9AX9)
410
Just tuned into Halloween Wars on Food Net. Holy crap. How would you feel when the judge says that your stabbed heart looks like a candy apple?
LOL
LOL
Posted by: JAS at October 07, 2018 09:18 PM (3HNOQ)
411
As far as "safe" unloaded guns go, here is Mark Twain's view on the matter.
"Don't meddle with old unloaded firearms. They are the most deadly and unerring things that have ever been created by man. You don't have to take any pains at all with them; you don't have to have a rest, you don't have to have any sights on the gun, you don't have to take aim, even. No, you just pick out a relative and bang away, and you are sure to get him. A youth who can't hit a cathedral at thirty yards with a Gatling gun in three-quarters of an hour, can take up an old empty musket and bag his mother every time at a hundred. Think what Waterloo would have been if one of the armies had been boys armed with old rusty muskets supposed not to be loaded, and the other army had been composed of their female relations. The very thought of it makes me shudder.
- Advice to Youth speech, 4/15/1882
"Don't meddle with old unloaded firearms. They are the most deadly and unerring things that have ever been created by man. You don't have to take any pains at all with them; you don't have to have a rest, you don't have to have any sights on the gun, you don't have to take aim, even. No, you just pick out a relative and bang away, and you are sure to get him. A youth who can't hit a cathedral at thirty yards with a Gatling gun in three-quarters of an hour, can take up an old empty musket and bag his mother every time at a hundred. Think what Waterloo would have been if one of the armies had been boys armed with old rusty muskets supposed not to be loaded, and the other army had been composed of their female relations. The very thought of it makes me shudder.
- Advice to Youth speech, 4/15/1882
Posted by: JTB at October 07, 2018 09:18 PM (V+03K)
412
Posted by: Ben Had at October 07, 2018 09:16 PM (nudZs)
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You shouldn't have to worry about everything! You're doing too much for us already!!
Posted by: Ben Had at October 07, 2018 09:16 PM (nudZs)
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You shouldn't have to worry about everything! You're doing too much for us already!!
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 09:18 PM (MVjcR)
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395 Is your first line of home defense an AR or a handgun?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 07, 2018 09:15 PM (pUDQf)
It depends.
There are also shotguns in the mix.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 07, 2018 09:15 PM (pUDQf)
It depends.
There are also shotguns in the mix.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 07, 2018 09:19 PM (xJa6I)
414
re .276 Garand and .280 FN/FAL:
An interesting and infuriating book about US Army rifle research and development programs after WW2 is "The Great Rifle Controversy," by Edward C Ezell.
It's infuriating because the Army made decisions about caliber and rifle designs, that in hindsight, make you want to cry.
An interesting and infuriating book about US Army rifle research and development programs after WW2 is "The Great Rifle Controversy," by Edward C Ezell.
It's infuriating because the Army made decisions about caliber and rifle designs, that in hindsight, make you want to cry.
Posted by: Gref at October 07, 2018 09:19 PM (AMIL/)
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 07, 2018 09:19 PM (bZ7mE)
416
"It's not loaded."
Words I do not understand in that order. It IS loaded unless it is completely disassembled on a mat and no longer a firearm.
Words I do not understand in that order. It IS loaded unless it is completely disassembled on a mat and no longer a firearm.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (All my hate cannot be found) at October 07, 2018 09:19 PM (l7Kbv)
417
358
That or come off as a raving hoplophobe. Anyone can call up, pose as a pollster and ask for your inventory prior to a break-in.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 07, 2018 09:05 PM (lD3vL)
On the other hand, if it's a burglar, telling him you don't have any guns gives him a green light for a home invasion.
That or come off as a raving hoplophobe. Anyone can call up, pose as a pollster and ask for your inventory prior to a break-in.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 07, 2018 09:05 PM (lD3vL)
On the other hand, if it's a burglar, telling him you don't have any guns gives him a green light for a home invasion.
Posted by: rickl at October 07, 2018 09:20 PM (sdi6R)
418
There are also shotguns in the mix.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 07, 2018 09:19 PM (xJa6I)
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Ithaca 37.
There are also shotguns in the mix.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 07, 2018 09:19 PM (xJa6I)
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Ithaca 37.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 09:20 PM (MVjcR)
419
Bama: AR. believe it or not, it's less likely to over-penetrate walls than most handgun ammo. Less liability vis-a-vis the neighborhood.
Posted by: PabloD at October 07, 2018 09:20 PM (olJXj)
420
The FAL dropping block action (very similar to the
SKS) is really more suited to an intermediate cartridge. Upping it to a
.308 rifle cartridge was really pushing the design.
Posted by: Grump928(C)
I'll just assume you're way smarter on me WRT that topic (a safe bet!), but my Imbel (wearing Izzy furniture, because vain) that I built on a Coonan receiver is my go-to. I swear that thing will eat anything (ball ammo, that is...never has fed soft point).
It's probably a 3 MOA gun, like most FALs (due to the tilting bolt), but it'll run forever with zero maintenance.
SKS) is really more suited to an intermediate cartridge. Upping it to a
.308 rifle cartridge was really pushing the design.
Posted by: Grump928(C)
I'll just assume you're way smarter on me WRT that topic (a safe bet!), but my Imbel (wearing Izzy furniture, because vain) that I built on a Coonan receiver is my go-to. I swear that thing will eat anything (ball ammo, that is...never has fed soft point).
It's probably a 3 MOA gun, like most FALs (due to the tilting bolt), but it'll run forever with zero maintenance.
Posted by: Oedipus at October 07, 2018 09:20 PM (CXLVd)
421
ITC, sorry you can't join us this year. I kept looking for your email/
Posted by: Ben Had at October 07, 2018 09:20 PM (nudZs)
422
Accidental discharge fear is why I never fell for the Glock design. Just prefer a pin block design.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 07, 2018 09:20 PM (pUDQf)
423
417 358
That or come off as a raving hoplophobe. Anyone can call up, pose as a pollster and ask for your inventory prior to a break-in.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 07, 2018 09:05 PM (lD3vL)
On the other hand, if it's a burglar, telling him you don't have any guns gives him a green light for a home invasion.
Posted by: rickl at October 07, 2018 09:20 PM (sdi6R)
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I just never answer the phone.
That or come off as a raving hoplophobe. Anyone can call up, pose as a pollster and ask for your inventory prior to a break-in.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 07, 2018 09:05 PM (lD3vL)
On the other hand, if it's a burglar, telling him you don't have any guns gives him a green light for a home invasion.
Posted by: rickl at October 07, 2018 09:20 PM (sdi6R)
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I just never answer the phone.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 09:20 PM (MVjcR)
424
To date, the most accurate rifle I've fired, was an Accuracy International .308 boltie. Sadly, it had a Springfield Armory scope, which limited it's performance to less than it's full potential.
Still, with factory loaded Federal 168 gr. HPBT Match, I managed a five shot .312 group, per the micrometer.
Texas City Municipal Range, concrete benches, 100 yds, fall of 2010.
I got a commitment from the owner to give me 1st right of refusal to buy the rifle, and damned if he didn't sell it right out from under me.
For less than half of it's value.
*shuffles, kicks rock, ouch*
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Still, with factory loaded Federal 168 gr. HPBT Match, I managed a five shot .312 group, per the micrometer.
Texas City Municipal Range, concrete benches, 100 yds, fall of 2010.
I got a commitment from the owner to give me 1st right of refusal to buy the rifle, and damned if he didn't sell it right out from under me.
For less than half of it's value.
*shuffles, kicks rock, ouch*
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at October 07, 2018 09:21 PM (QzJWU)
425
It's infuriating because the Army made decisions about caliber and rifle designs, that in hindsight, make you want to cry.
Indeed. The shorter operating rod of the M14 is the way the M1 should have been from the beginning but the Army was opposed to drilling a gas port through a barrel at the time the M1 was spec'd.
Indeed. The shorter operating rod of the M14 is the way the M1 should have been from the beginning but the Army was opposed to drilling a gas port through a barrel at the time the M1 was spec'd.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 07, 2018 09:21 PM (yQpMk)
426
How many times have you Got a shell down yiour back?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 07, 2018 09:22 PM (OoMmn)
427
Posted by: Jim at October 07, 2018 09:21 PM (QzJWU)
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Man, you are REALLY going to like the rifle I'm bringing.
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Man, you are REALLY going to like the rifle I'm bringing.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 09:22 PM (MVjcR)
428
I qualified on the M-14 and M-16.
You must have been in BCT about 2 weeks ahead of me. We started with the -14 but got -16's early in the cycle so we qualified with them only.
You must have been in BCT about 2 weeks ahead of me. We started with the -14 but got -16's early in the cycle so we qualified with them only.
Posted by: dad29 at October 07, 2018 09:22 PM (7Kti7)
Posted by: Zombie Phillip A. Luty at October 07, 2018 09:22 PM (WyU9y)
430
On the other hand, if it's a burglar, telling him you don't have any guns gives him a green light for a home invasion.
All of my retard neighbors have Beto and those insipid "Science Is Real, Kindness is Everything" signs out front - much lower hanging fruit for the criminal element.
All of my retard neighbors have Beto and those insipid "Science Is Real, Kindness is Everything" signs out front - much lower hanging fruit for the criminal element.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 07, 2018 09:23 PM (lD3vL)
431
414 This is the same army, separated by less than a hundred years,that decided that a perfectly adequate repeating rifle (for the time, the Spencer) would fall out of favor to a single shot, prone to jamming from fouling.
Posted by: bill in arkansas at October 07, 2018 09:23 PM (xzqr4)
432
418
There are also shotguns in the mix.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 07, 2018 09:19 PM (xJa6I)
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Ithaca 37.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 09:20 PM (MVjcR)
Noice
Benelli Super 90 and some Remingtons here. Oh and some single and double barrels.
I could settle for just the Benelli if I had to keep just one shotty.
There are also shotguns in the mix.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 07, 2018 09:19 PM (xJa6I)
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Ithaca 37.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 09:20 PM (MVjcR)
Noice
Benelli Super 90 and some Remingtons here. Oh and some single and double barrels.
I could settle for just the Benelli if I had to keep just one shotty.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 07, 2018 09:23 PM (xJa6I)
433
How many times have you Got a shell down yiour back?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 07, 2018 09:22 PM
Too many. And a nice burn from a .22 casing that wedged itself under the tongue of my boat shoe. Grrr...
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 07, 2018 09:22 PM
Too many. And a nice burn from a .22 casing that wedged itself under the tongue of my boat shoe. Grrr...
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 07, 2018 09:23 PM (8dJfY)
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 07, 2018 09:23 PM (lD3vL)
435
If I have time, that is if I knew people near my house were up to no good, I'd pull my MBR out but at 3AM and breaking glass, I'm grabbing that handgun and clearing rooms.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 07, 2018 09:24 PM (pUDQf)
436
It's probably a 3 MOA gun, like most FALs (due to the tilting bolt), but it'll run forever with zero maintenance.
Yeah, mine all run great but I run with the gas wide open and a buffer in the upper. They probably don't need a buffer but I started using them in my AKs and the habit carried over.
Yeah, mine all run great but I run with the gas wide open and a buffer in the upper. They probably don't need a buffer but I started using them in my AKs and the habit carried over.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 07, 2018 09:24 PM (yQpMk)
437
Indeed. The shorter operating rod of the M14 is the way the M1 should have been from the beginning but the Army was opposed to drilling a gas port through a barrel at the time the M1 was spec'd.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 07, 2018 09:21 PM (yQpMk)
Yup. I'm glad I was sitting when I first read about the original M1 Garand gas system with the gas trap.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 07, 2018 09:21 PM (yQpMk)
Yup. I'm glad I was sitting when I first read about the original M1 Garand gas system with the gas trap.
Posted by: Gref at October 07, 2018 09:25 PM (AMIL/)
438
Also, I can only speak for myself, but if some rando calls me up asking me about my gun ownership, I'm not going to talk to them about it.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 07, 2018 08:59 PM (NWiLs)
This is what I figured.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 07, 2018 08:59 PM (NWiLs)
This is what I figured.
Posted by: clutch at October 07, 2018 09:25 PM (kiSdp)
439
How many times have you Got a shell down yiour back?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 07, 2018 09:22 PM (OoMmn)
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I never have, because I always dressed properly. My daughter, though, insisted on taking off her overshirt and had a V neck t-shirt on under it. One bounced off the booth wall and right down the cleavage. Fortunately she put the gun down safely before doing the hot brass dance.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 07, 2018 09:22 PM (OoMmn)
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I never have, because I always dressed properly. My daughter, though, insisted on taking off her overshirt and had a V neck t-shirt on under it. One bounced off the booth wall and right down the cleavage. Fortunately she put the gun down safely before doing the hot brass dance.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at October 07, 2018 09:25 PM (I16G8)
440
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Ithaca 37.
Posted by: Weasel
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A man after my own heart. Hard to go wrong with a Browning design.
Ithaca 37.
Posted by: Weasel
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A man after my own heart. Hard to go wrong with a Browning design.
Posted by: Nothardly at October 07, 2018 09:26 PM (Pu/Kw)
441
This is the same army, separated by less than a hundred years,that decided that a perfectly adequate repeating rifle (for the time, the Spencer) would fall out of favor to a single shot, prone to jamming from fouling.
The single shot was significantly more powerful, which was the key difference I believe.
The single shot was significantly more powerful, which was the key difference I believe.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 07, 2018 09:26 PM (bZ7mE)
442
435 If I have time, that is if I knew people near my house were up to no good, I'd pull my MBR out but at 3AM and breaking glass, I'm grabbing that handgun and clearing rooms.
What? You don't string up piano wire and motion sensing spotlights at critical junctions in the house?
What? You don't string up piano wire and motion sensing spotlights at critical junctions in the house?
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 07, 2018 09:26 PM (lD3vL)
443
Actually, the biggest plus is that it allows you to carry more ammo per pound. Which is the common argument in favor of the 5.56, but that's just a superficial look at the issue.
The amount of ammo carried is important because of modern infantry doctrine (which actually goes back to pre-WWII). Mainly because of the doctrine of fire superiority. Most of the ammo that an infantryman fires in combat isn't actually aimed at an enemy soldier. It's fired at likely areas of enemy cover and concealment during a firefight. The idea is to pin the enemy down so that he's not willing to stick his head out from behind the tree because he keeps hearing bullets snapping 18" past his head. That's fire superiority. Then you can send the assault element around to his flank so that they can close with the enemy and shoot him in the face.
This is why you often have huge amounts of ammo fired for every enemy soldier killed. It's NOT because the soldier is a shitty shot, it's because that is DOCTRINE.
So that's the big doctrinal reason that the 5.56 was adopted. It allows the infantry platoon a much better chance of achieving fire superiority over an enemy unit, which leads to victory on the battlefield.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 07, 2018 09:07 PM
That's what the M60 and the SMG's are for. I get the theory and it's not wrong, but theory often goes out the window. There's something to be said for a rifle with some serious grunt and range. Not an expert in military thinking. Just going by what worked for us at the time.
The amount of ammo carried is important because of modern infantry doctrine (which actually goes back to pre-WWII). Mainly because of the doctrine of fire superiority. Most of the ammo that an infantryman fires in combat isn't actually aimed at an enemy soldier. It's fired at likely areas of enemy cover and concealment during a firefight. The idea is to pin the enemy down so that he's not willing to stick his head out from behind the tree because he keeps hearing bullets snapping 18" past his head. That's fire superiority. Then you can send the assault element around to his flank so that they can close with the enemy and shoot him in the face.
This is why you often have huge amounts of ammo fired for every enemy soldier killed. It's NOT because the soldier is a shitty shot, it's because that is DOCTRINE.
So that's the big doctrinal reason that the 5.56 was adopted. It allows the infantry platoon a much better chance of achieving fire superiority over an enemy unit, which leads to victory on the battlefield.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 07, 2018 09:07 PM
That's what the M60 and the SMG's are for. I get the theory and it's not wrong, but theory often goes out the window. There's something to be said for a rifle with some serious grunt and range. Not an expert in military thinking. Just going by what worked for us at the time.
Posted by: otho at October 07, 2018 09:26 PM (LkFnL)
Posted by: JAS at October 07, 2018 09:26 PM (3HNOQ)
Posted by: dad29 at October 07, 2018 09:27 PM (7Kti7)
446
Yeah, mine all run great but I run with the gas wide
open and a buffer in the upper. They probably don't need a buffer but I
started using them in my AKs and the habit carried over.
Posted by: Grump928(C)
Ever notice any cycling problems with them? I might have one in my Pile O' Gun S**t in the closet, but I've never felt the need to actually use it if I have it. Other guns I could see, it just never felt right to me for the FAL.
open and a buffer in the upper. They probably don't need a buffer but I
started using them in my AKs and the habit carried over.
Posted by: Grump928(C)
Ever notice any cycling problems with them? I might have one in my Pile O' Gun S**t in the closet, but I've never felt the need to actually use it if I have it. Other guns I could see, it just never felt right to me for the FAL.
Posted by: Oedipus at October 07, 2018 09:27 PM (CXLVd)
447
Hope all at the MIMomee are having a blast. I wanted to make it but work interfered.
Maybe in the next few yrs when I'm retired. Rock on there.
Posted by: Farmer at October 07, 2018 09:16 PM (yJ1e6)
A bit late in the thread and it's been brought up, so probably no harm in posting it here:
From my PoV it was fun and drama-free. I got to meet some wonderful people and hand out door prizes. Special thanks to AltonJackson, who really ought to be credited as the organizer instead of that hogmartin chump, Ben Had for advice and encouragement, Muad'dib, bluebell, and Weasel for door prizes and generally being nice people to know, and everyone who showed up - including from as far as Virginia - without whom I'd have been sitting in a restaurant in Chelsea playing with one of those cup-and-ball toys alone at a table while the waitstaff tried to politely convince me that nobody was coming. I'm really looking forward to seeing you all again and hope that some who had to send regrets instead can join us. If I forgot to mention you in the "special thanks" section, please pencil your name in.
Thanks again, guys!
Maybe in the next few yrs when I'm retired. Rock on there.
Posted by: Farmer at October 07, 2018 09:16 PM (yJ1e6)
A bit late in the thread and it's been brought up, so probably no harm in posting it here:
From my PoV it was fun and drama-free. I got to meet some wonderful people and hand out door prizes. Special thanks to AltonJackson, who really ought to be credited as the organizer instead of that hogmartin chump, Ben Had for advice and encouragement, Muad'dib, bluebell, and Weasel for door prizes and generally being nice people to know, and everyone who showed up - including from as far as Virginia - without whom I'd have been sitting in a restaurant in Chelsea playing with one of those cup-and-ball toys alone at a table while the waitstaff tried to politely convince me that nobody was coming. I'm really looking forward to seeing you all again and hope that some who had to send regrets instead can join us. If I forgot to mention you in the "special thanks" section, please pencil your name in.
Thanks again, guys!
Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2018 09:27 PM (y87Qq)
448
What? You don't string up piano wire and motion sensing spotlights at critical junctions in the house?
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 07, 2018 09:26 PM (lD3vL)
There may be claymores involved.
What? You don't string up piano wire and motion sensing spotlights at critical junctions in the house?
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 07, 2018 09:26 PM (lD3vL)
There may be claymores involved.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 07, 2018 09:28 PM (pUDQf)
449
Ithaca 37.
Posted by: Weasel
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A man after my own heart. Hard to go wrong with a Browning design.
Posted by: Nothardly at October 07, 2018 09:26 PM (Pu/Kw)
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I have an 18" barrel on it and with 00 Buck it's pretty devastating.
Ithaca 37.
Posted by: Weasel
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A man after my own heart. Hard to go wrong with a Browning design.
Posted by: Nothardly at October 07, 2018 09:26 PM (Pu/Kw)
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I have an 18" barrel on it and with 00 Buck it's pretty devastating.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 09:28 PM (g5Oh1)
450
All of my retard neighbors have Beto and those insipid "Science Is Real, Kindness is Everything" signs out front - much lower hanging fruit for the criminal element.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy
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Which reminds me, who was using the sock, 'Hat Has No Homo?' Haven't seen that in a while.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy
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Which reminds me, who was using the sock, 'Hat Has No Homo?' Haven't seen that in a while.
Posted by: Nothardly at October 07, 2018 09:29 PM (Pu/Kw)
451
Thanks for the link to ammo seek dot com. That would make the ammo affordable but I would be renting their AR and have to use their ammo. Still a great resource for future purchases.
Posted by: WarEagle82 at October 07, 2018 09:29 PM (2BPRE)
452
Army MP
I fired M-3 grease gun, awesome weapon.
M-16 and M-4
M-60 machine gun aka "the pig"
M-79 Blooper 40 mm of fun
M-2 the "Ma Deuce"
Mac-10 .45 with can. Super high cyclic rate.
I fired M-3 grease gun, awesome weapon.
M-16 and M-4
M-60 machine gun aka "the pig"
M-79 Blooper 40 mm of fun
M-2 the "Ma Deuce"
Mac-10 .45 with can. Super high cyclic rate.
Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at October 07, 2018 09:29 PM (bML9A)
453
I have an 18" barrel on it and with 00 Buck it's pretty devastating.
Posted by: Weasel
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Do you know year of manufacture? I ask only because of post/pre slam-fire design.
Posted by: Weasel
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Do you know year of manufacture? I ask only because of post/pre slam-fire design.
Posted by: Nothardly at October 07, 2018 09:30 PM (Pu/Kw)
454
" 8
Could someone do a quick explanation on what, exactly a "Wylde chamber"
is? I've seen it marketed sometimes as a feature on AR-pattern rifles
that allows it to safely fire any .223 or 5.56x45 (accuracy due to
barrel twist notwithstanding), but there has to be more to it than that
or else they'd all just have it, right? "
Others have already expounded on the exact differences between .223/Wylde/5.56, namely that it comes down to the throat dimensions, and the Wylde splits the difference. There are a few other chambers around similar to Wylde that do the same thing, but you're not going to get one unless you're dropping $400+ on a high end precision barrel.
What I want to talk about is barrel twist.
TL : DR version: If you are not flinging very light bullets (45-53gr varmint projectiles) at stupid speeds, get 1:7 or 1:8 twist and be done with it.
Original AR/M16 twist was 1:14 for the original 55gr bullet. Got changed to 1:12 when cold weather testing showed stability problems.
The M16A2 got 1:7 because of the loooonnnng tracers that came with the new 62gr green tip rounds made for the SAW. (twist requirement is primarily about bullet length, not mass; it mostly scales up with mass only because most bullets are constructed of the same thing).
For whatever reason, most civilian AR's in the 90's and 00's were 1:9 twist. You will still see people arguing that this is some sort of best compromise in order to still get good accuracy with light bullets, but this is mostly bullshit. 1:9 is now largely the province only the cheapest off-brand makers, and so you get people with cheap rifles trying really hard to come up with reasons to justify their (1) cheapness or (2) inability to do homework before shopping.
A 1:7 twist will perform just fine with old school 55gr ball ammo. Anyone who can shoot a gas gun well enough to tell a difference *and* is using bullets good enough to see a difference is not using 55gr pills to begin with. Most good barrel makers are using 1:8 twist for stainless and 1:7 for chrome lined or nitrided barrels. I would suggest 1:7 for non-precision barrels in particular, because the twist on mass produced button rifled barrels can be a little off, sometimes enough that they won't shoot 75/77gr projectiles worth a damn.
The only real downside to 1:7 or 1:8 is that you can have light, fast varmint loads like 45-53gr spin themselves apart a little ways downrange. You can see this as what looks like a gray puff of smoke in mid-air.
Could someone do a quick explanation on what, exactly a "Wylde chamber"
is? I've seen it marketed sometimes as a feature on AR-pattern rifles
that allows it to safely fire any .223 or 5.56x45 (accuracy due to
barrel twist notwithstanding), but there has to be more to it than that
or else they'd all just have it, right? "
Others have already expounded on the exact differences between .223/Wylde/5.56, namely that it comes down to the throat dimensions, and the Wylde splits the difference. There are a few other chambers around similar to Wylde that do the same thing, but you're not going to get one unless you're dropping $400+ on a high end precision barrel.
What I want to talk about is barrel twist.
TL : DR version: If you are not flinging very light bullets (45-53gr varmint projectiles) at stupid speeds, get 1:7 or 1:8 twist and be done with it.
Original AR/M16 twist was 1:14 for the original 55gr bullet. Got changed to 1:12 when cold weather testing showed stability problems.
The M16A2 got 1:7 because of the loooonnnng tracers that came with the new 62gr green tip rounds made for the SAW. (twist requirement is primarily about bullet length, not mass; it mostly scales up with mass only because most bullets are constructed of the same thing).
For whatever reason, most civilian AR's in the 90's and 00's were 1:9 twist. You will still see people arguing that this is some sort of best compromise in order to still get good accuracy with light bullets, but this is mostly bullshit. 1:9 is now largely the province only the cheapest off-brand makers, and so you get people with cheap rifles trying really hard to come up with reasons to justify their (1) cheapness or (2) inability to do homework before shopping.
A 1:7 twist will perform just fine with old school 55gr ball ammo. Anyone who can shoot a gas gun well enough to tell a difference *and* is using bullets good enough to see a difference is not using 55gr pills to begin with. Most good barrel makers are using 1:8 twist for stainless and 1:7 for chrome lined or nitrided barrels. I would suggest 1:7 for non-precision barrels in particular, because the twist on mass produced button rifled barrels can be a little off, sometimes enough that they won't shoot 75/77gr projectiles worth a damn.
The only real downside to 1:7 or 1:8 is that you can have light, fast varmint loads like 45-53gr spin themselves apart a little ways downrange. You can see this as what looks like a gray puff of smoke in mid-air.
Posted by: lurker at October 07, 2018 09:31 PM (67XdO)
455
441 Not so much. The Spencer, while not rivaling the 50/70 or 45/70 was adequate to 300 yards, maybe a little more. Fun fact: a lot of Spencers were sold by the various surplus arms dealers to the French in the Franco Prussian war, bought back for pennies on the dollar, and resold to the civilian market. MAGA
Posted by: bill in arkansas at October 07, 2018 09:31 PM (xzqr4)
456
The FAL dropping block action (very similar to the SKS) is really more suited to an intermediate cartridge. Upping it to a .308 rifle cartridge was really pushing the design.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 07, 2018 09:12 PM
Yeah, it was. Good rifle, though.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 07, 2018 09:12 PM
Yeah, it was. Good rifle, though.
Posted by: otho at October 07, 2018 09:31 PM (LkFnL)
457
444 So your suggesting Weasel won't have to make this the Gun/Shoes thread?
Good night all, and come again.
Good night all, and come again.
Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2018 09:32 PM (T4oHT)
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Ever notice any cycling problems with them?
If I turn the gas down, I will have cycling problems when it gets a couple of hundred rounds dirty. I think the buffer does interfere with cycling on less that full gas. On full gas and no buffer I swear you can hear the BC strike the lower with a metallic thunk.
The same was true of my PSLs. The 7.62X54r seems like to much cartridge for the AK design and even with new springs it will dink against the back of the receiver without a buffer.
But the PSL is always overgassed so no cycling problems with that toy.
If I turn the gas down, I will have cycling problems when it gets a couple of hundred rounds dirty. I think the buffer does interfere with cycling on less that full gas. On full gas and no buffer I swear you can hear the BC strike the lower with a metallic thunk.
The same was true of my PSLs. The 7.62X54r seems like to much cartridge for the AK design and even with new springs it will dink against the back of the receiver without a buffer.
But the PSL is always overgassed so no cycling problems with that toy.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 07, 2018 09:32 PM (yQpMk)
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Do you know year of manufacture? I ask only because of post/pre slam-fire design.
Posted by: Nothardly at October 07, 2018 09:30 PM (Pu/Kw)
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1983
Do you know year of manufacture? I ask only because of post/pre slam-fire design.
Posted by: Nothardly at October 07, 2018 09:30 PM (Pu/Kw)
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1983
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 09:32 PM (MVjcR)
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Your Average Joe needs 2 things on an AR: a sling so you can retain it, and a light so you don't shoot holes into someone or something you shouldn't. All the rest of the stuff is excess weight and expense for 99 percent of owners. It's your money, do what you want, but it's probably better spent on range time and training courses.
Posted by: PabloD at October 07, 2018 09:03 PM (olJXj)
A one-point tactical sling for the carbine versions with the collapsable shoulder stocks is a very nice thing to have. I personally don't believe is attaching lights on firearms because you have given the bad guy down range a great beacon proclaiming HERE I AM, SHOOT OVER HERE!
Other than optics, the rest of the stuff people hang on their scary black rifles is all bullshit that adds weight for no practical purpose.
Posted by: PabloD at October 07, 2018 09:03 PM (olJXj)
A one-point tactical sling for the carbine versions with the collapsable shoulder stocks is a very nice thing to have. I personally don't believe is attaching lights on firearms because you have given the bad guy down range a great beacon proclaiming HERE I AM, SHOOT OVER HERE!
Other than optics, the rest of the stuff people hang on their scary black rifles is all bullshit that adds weight for no practical purpose.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at October 07, 2018 09:32 PM (5Yee7)
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I have an 18" barrel on it and with 00 Buck it's pretty devastating.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 09:28 PM (g5Oh1)
18 inches? Not according to our tape measures!
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 09:28 PM (g5Oh1)
18 inches? Not according to our tape measures!
Posted by: The BATFE at October 07, 2018 09:33 PM (WyU9y)
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The Wylde chamber is designed to safely accommodate both the .223 and the 5.56 cartridges; it allows for the 5.56's extended lede which a .223 chamber lacks.
Posted by: seachnasaigh at October 07, 2018 09:35 PM (qtTPm)
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457 444 So your suggesting Weasel won't have to make this the Gun/Shoes thread?
Good night all, and come again.
Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2018 09:32 PM (T4oHT)
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'Night Skip. Thanks for stopping by.
And thanks to all of you for participating- it makes doing this fun.
Good night all, and come again.
Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2018 09:32 PM (T4oHT)
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'Night Skip. Thanks for stopping by.
And thanks to all of you for participating- it makes doing this fun.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 09:35 PM (MVjcR)
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Other than optics, the rest of the stuff people hang on their scary black rifles is all bullshit that adds weight for no practical purpose.
Exactly. One should enter into a Run & Gun with their rig sporting all of those "necessary" gee gaws.
Humping useless tacticool is a great lesson about focusing on what is necessary.
Exactly. One should enter into a Run & Gun with their rig sporting all of those "necessary" gee gaws.
Humping useless tacticool is a great lesson about focusing on what is necessary.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 07, 2018 09:36 PM (lD3vL)
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'Night Skip. Thanks for stopping by.
And thanks to all of you for participating- it makes doing this fun.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 09:35 PM (MVjcR)
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Our thanks to you for putting this most comprehensive and informative thread together.
And thanks to all of you for participating- it makes doing this fun.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 09:35 PM (MVjcR)
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Our thanks to you for putting this most comprehensive and informative thread together.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at October 07, 2018 09:37 PM (I16G8)
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My AR is an 18" stainless, straight-taper Lothar Walther barrel, 1:8 twist, .223 Wylde chamber.
I haven't dialed in it's best accuracy yet... much experimenting ahead.
Glass is a 4x16x50, Vortex Viper PST, MOA 2nd plane setup. Me likes.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
I haven't dialed in it's best accuracy yet... much experimenting ahead.
Glass is a 4x16x50, Vortex Viper PST, MOA 2nd plane setup. Me likes.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at October 07, 2018 09:37 PM (QzJWU)
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Other than optics, the rest of the stuff people hang on their scary black rifles is all bullshit that adds weight for no practical purpose.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at October 07, 2018 09:32 PM (5Yee7)
Mostly agree. I fought the flashlight bug for a while but decided a blinding 1200 lumen flashlight in the bad guys face gave me a better chance. Plus wide pupils on a bad guy creeping in the dark go bonkers when the light comes on. That's a nice window of opportunity.
Other than optics, the rest of the stuff people hang on their scary black rifles is all bullshit that adds weight for no practical purpose.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at October 07, 2018 09:32 PM (5Yee7)
Mostly agree. I fought the flashlight bug for a while but decided a blinding 1200 lumen flashlight in the bad guys face gave me a better chance. Plus wide pupils on a bad guy creeping in the dark go bonkers when the light comes on. That's a nice window of opportunity.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 07, 2018 09:38 PM (pUDQf)
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What I want to talk about is barrel twist.
TL : DR version: If you are not flinging very light bullets (45-53gr varmint projectiles) at stupid speeds, get 1:7 or 1:8 twist and be done with it.
Posted by: lurker at October 07, 2018 09:31 PM (67XdO)
I have a 1:9, but just because that's what came with my rifle. It works fine for M855 to about 100yd, which is all I ask of it.
TL : DR version: If you are not flinging very light bullets (45-53gr varmint projectiles) at stupid speeds, get 1:7 or 1:8 twist and be done with it.
Posted by: lurker at October 07, 2018 09:31 PM (67XdO)
I have a 1:9, but just because that's what came with my rifle. It works fine for M855 to about 100yd, which is all I ask of it.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2018 09:39 PM (y87Qq)
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1983
Posted by: Weasel
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So, probably after slam-fire ended. I don't know the date, but I think earlier, late 70's?
Posted by: Weasel
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So, probably after slam-fire ended. I don't know the date, but I think earlier, late 70's?
Posted by: Nothardly at October 07, 2018 09:39 PM (Pu/Kw)
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My chainsaw bayonet is not unnecessary extra weight, thank you very much.
Posted by: Avid Gun Owner at October 07, 2018 09:39 PM (N9OUi)
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You know, after humping the M16a1 on a daily basis in the Republic of Vietnam, the only add on I can think of, in retrospect, would be a Delta ticket to Cleveland Hopkins, next day if you please.
Posted by: bill in arkansas at October 07, 2018 09:40 PM (xzqr4)
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So, probably after slam-fire ended. I don't know the date, but I think earlier, late 70's?
Posted by: Nothardly at October 07, 2018 09:39 PM (Pu/Kw)
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I recall looking at that once and seemed to remember it was OK.
So, probably after slam-fire ended. I don't know the date, but I think earlier, late 70's?
Posted by: Nothardly at October 07, 2018 09:39 PM (Pu/Kw)
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I recall looking at that once and seemed to remember it was OK.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 09:40 PM (MVjcR)
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Texans are respectable so far against the Cowboys, but Bill O'Brien remains clueless about calling plays in the Red Zone.
Posted by: Gref at October 07, 2018 09:41 PM (AMIL/)
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From my PoV it was fun and drama-free. I got to meet
some wonderful people and hand out door prizes. Special thanks to
AltonJackson, who really ought to be credited as the organizer instead
of that hogmartin chump, Ben Had for advice and encouragement, Muad'dib,
bluebell, and Weasel for door prizes and generally being nice people to
know, and everyone who showed up - including from as far as Virginia -
without whom I'd have been sitting in a restaurant in Chelsea playing
with one of those cup-and-ball toys alone at a table while the waitstaff
tried to politely convince me that nobody was coming. I'm really
looking forward to seeing you all again and hope that some who had to
send regrets instead can join us. If I forgot to mention you in the
"special thanks" section, please pencil your name in.
Thanks again, guys!
Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2018 09:27 PM (y87Qq)
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Glad it turned out well. I was well into the bourbon yesterday (hey, gotta support Cocaine Mitch's economy!) and I'm more than a little paranoid about meeting strangers from the internet.
Plus, Mason gun show. Stocked up because...left is crazy. Ever try the Scorpion reloads? They're cheap and they work fine.
some wonderful people and hand out door prizes. Special thanks to
AltonJackson, who really ought to be credited as the organizer instead
of that hogmartin chump, Ben Had for advice and encouragement, Muad'dib,
bluebell, and Weasel for door prizes and generally being nice people to
know, and everyone who showed up - including from as far as Virginia -
without whom I'd have been sitting in a restaurant in Chelsea playing
with one of those cup-and-ball toys alone at a table while the waitstaff
tried to politely convince me that nobody was coming. I'm really
looking forward to seeing you all again and hope that some who had to
send regrets instead can join us. If I forgot to mention you in the
"special thanks" section, please pencil your name in.
Thanks again, guys!
Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2018 09:27 PM (y87Qq)
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Glad it turned out well. I was well into the bourbon yesterday (hey, gotta support Cocaine Mitch's economy!) and I'm more than a little paranoid about meeting strangers from the internet.
Plus, Mason gun show. Stocked up because...left is crazy. Ever try the Scorpion reloads? They're cheap and they work fine.
Posted by: K.N. McBride at October 07, 2018 09:41 PM (cfSRQ)
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Not so much. The Spencer, while not rivaling the 50/70 or 45/70 was adequate to 300 yards, maybe a little more. Fun fact: a lot of Spencers were sold by the various surplus arms dealers to the French in the Franco Prussian war, bought back for pennies on the dollar, and resold to the civilian market. MAGA
I'd be interested in seeing the data for that. The .56-56 was loaded with very little powder (42-45 g per wikipedia), which doesn't look like a particularly effective charge to me. Granted, conicals are a bit different from the round balls that I am used to, but that looks like a sub-100 yard deer cartridge to me.
I'd be interested in seeing the data for that. The .56-56 was loaded with very little powder (42-45 g per wikipedia), which doesn't look like a particularly effective charge to me. Granted, conicals are a bit different from the round balls that I am used to, but that looks like a sub-100 yard deer cartridge to me.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 07, 2018 09:41 PM (bZ7mE)
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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their eyes, said by someone.
Posted by: Ben Had at October 07, 2018 09:41 PM (nudZs)
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Our thanks to you for putting this most comprehensive and informative thread together.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at October 07, 2018 09:37 PM (I16G
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Thanks but it's all you guys that make it work.
Our thanks to you for putting this most comprehensive and informative thread together.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at October 07, 2018 09:37 PM (I16G
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Thanks but it's all you guys that make it work.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 09:42 PM (MVjcR)
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I've fired M-16s and M-4s for the US Army but never as a civilian. Since I left the service I lost the sight in my right eye and have had to retrain my self to shoot left handed.
With a bolt action or a 1911 I am up to fair but other weapons I need lots of practice.
With a bolt action or a 1911 I am up to fair but other weapons I need lots of practice.
Posted by: Big V at October 07, 2018 09:42 PM (CGfsq)
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It comes to my mind that my FAL that is most likely to have a cycling problem is the folding stock DSA that I bought.
The normal design with the bigger spring in the stock is much less likely to have an issue for me. In fact, I'm not sure if those ever have cycling problems. It might just be the "paratrooper" with the triple spring in the BC that has issue at low gas.
That's really the only one of the FALs that I have shot in the last year or two.
The normal design with the bigger spring in the stock is much less likely to have an issue for me. In fact, I'm not sure if those ever have cycling problems. It might just be the "paratrooper" with the triple spring in the BC that has issue at low gas.
That's really the only one of the FALs that I have shot in the last year or two.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 07, 2018 09:42 PM (yQpMk)
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Mostly agree. I fought the flashlight bug for a while but decided a blinding 1200 lumen flashlight in the bad guys face gave me a better chance. Plus wide pupils on a bad guy creeping in the dark go bonkers when the light comes on. That's a nice window of opportunity.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 07, 2018 09:38 PM (pUDQf)
It seemed stupid to me until I went to the FPFT course. It's surprisingly hard to shoot at a bright light shining in your face in the dark, and you can't see the shape of whatever's behind that light at all.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 07, 2018 09:38 PM (pUDQf)
It seemed stupid to me until I went to the FPFT course. It's surprisingly hard to shoot at a bright light shining in your face in the dark, and you can't see the shape of whatever's behind that light at all.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2018 09:43 PM (y87Qq)
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Mostly agree. I fought the flashlight bug for a while but decided a blinding 1200 lumen flashlight in the bad guys face gave me a better chance. Plus wide pupils on a bad guy creeping in the dark go bonkers when the light comes on. That's a nice window of opportunity.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 07, 2018 09:38 PM (pUDQf)
If all you're intending to do is stay at the end of you hallway (a classic "fatal funnel") and dazzle the bad guy with the light before you blast him, you have a point. If you're intending to move tactically, I still believe an attached light is a bad idea.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 07, 2018 09:38 PM (pUDQf)
If all you're intending to do is stay at the end of you hallway (a classic "fatal funnel") and dazzle the bad guy with the light before you blast him, you have a point. If you're intending to move tactically, I still believe an attached light is a bad idea.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at October 07, 2018 09:43 PM (5Yee7)
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18 inches? Not according to our tape measures!
Posted by: The BATFE at October 07, 2018 09:33 PM (WyU9y)
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That's what SHE said.
Posted by: The BATFE at October 07, 2018 09:33 PM (WyU9y)
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That's what SHE said.
Posted by: K.N. McBride at October 07, 2018 09:43 PM (cfSRQ)
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467
Mostly agree. I fought the flashlight bug for a while but decided a blinding 1200 lumen flashlight in the bad guys face gave me a better chance. Plus wide pupils on a bad guy creeping in the dark go bonkers when the light comes on. That's a nice window of opportunity.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 07, 2018 09:38 PM (pUDQf)
That's also a good reason why home security lights should be on a motion detector and normally off, rather than automatically on from dusk to dawn. Lights that are on all the time give the bad guy a chance to scope out the entrances, places of concealment, etc.
Mostly agree. I fought the flashlight bug for a while but decided a blinding 1200 lumen flashlight in the bad guys face gave me a better chance. Plus wide pupils on a bad guy creeping in the dark go bonkers when the light comes on. That's a nice window of opportunity.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 07, 2018 09:38 PM (pUDQf)
That's also a good reason why home security lights should be on a motion detector and normally off, rather than automatically on from dusk to dawn. Lights that are on all the time give the bad guy a chance to scope out the entrances, places of concealment, etc.
Posted by: rickl at October 07, 2018 09:44 PM (sdi6R)
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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their eyes, said by someone.
Quite a number of someones, actually. Military cliche for awhile, I think. The original quote comes from some 18th century Prussian dude, I think.
Quite a number of someones, actually. Military cliche for awhile, I think. The original quote comes from some 18th century Prussian dude, I think.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 07, 2018 09:44 PM (bZ7mE)
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" 460 A one-point tactical sling for the carbine versions with the
collapsable shoulder stocks is a very nice thing to have. I personally
don't believe is attaching lights on firearms because you have given
the bad guy down range a great beacon proclaiming HERE I AM, SHOOT OVER
HERE!
Other than optics, the rest of the stuff people hang on their scary
black rifles is all bullshit that adds weight for no practical purpose. "
My opinion is that one-point slings for anything longer than commando-length AR's (10-11" barrel) are a really good way to either club yourself in the nuts or burn your legs.
Lights really are a necessity for most uses. You often can't use sights worth a damn in the dark without them. Do you run around shining it everywhere? No. But I do a ton of shooting at night, both with and without magical wizard eyes, and white light is indispensable.
I'm old enough to have been trained on how to shoot M16's at night without lights. Make no mistake; compared to modern equipment, it just plain sucks.
A fighting rifle needs, in order of importance, a white light (preferably one that can be activated right or left handed), an IR laser/illuminator (if you have night vision), a sling, and a high quality optic appropriate to what you're doing.
If you aren't scuba diving or tromping around in the arctic and *are* using a modern optic and laser/illum module, you can skip the irons if they get in the way of properly placing the other equipment.
collapsable shoulder stocks is a very nice thing to have. I personally
don't believe is attaching lights on firearms because you have given
the bad guy down range a great beacon proclaiming HERE I AM, SHOOT OVER
HERE!
Other than optics, the rest of the stuff people hang on their scary
black rifles is all bullshit that adds weight for no practical purpose. "
My opinion is that one-point slings for anything longer than commando-length AR's (10-11" barrel) are a really good way to either club yourself in the nuts or burn your legs.
Lights really are a necessity for most uses. You often can't use sights worth a damn in the dark without them. Do you run around shining it everywhere? No. But I do a ton of shooting at night, both with and without magical wizard eyes, and white light is indispensable.
I'm old enough to have been trained on how to shoot M16's at night without lights. Make no mistake; compared to modern equipment, it just plain sucks.
A fighting rifle needs, in order of importance, a white light (preferably one that can be activated right or left handed), an IR laser/illuminator (if you have night vision), a sling, and a high quality optic appropriate to what you're doing.
If you aren't scuba diving or tromping around in the arctic and *are* using a modern optic and laser/illum module, you can skip the irons if they get in the way of properly placing the other equipment.
Posted by: lurker at October 07, 2018 09:45 PM (67XdO)
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Thanks but it's all you guys that make it work.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 09:42 PM (MVjcR)
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Indeed. Just like the whole HQ, it is a collaboration.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 09:42 PM (MVjcR)
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Indeed. Just like the whole HQ, it is a collaboration.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at October 07, 2018 09:45 PM (I16G8)
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Guys. 'Ette "Steck" is a certified Appleseed Instructor, and will be at the TxMoMeet.
I think setting aside a block of time for her to work some of that Appleseed Magic with a small group of new-er-ish shooters, would be a sterling opportunity for both her and them.
Anyone got some shooting mats they can bring? Makes firing from the prone a much better thing.
I'm going to bring some wooden stakes and surveyors' ribbon. Better to mark out the back end and muzzle end of the firing line areas.
And Weasel....I've got some steel ammo cans, not a whole bunch, but a half dozen or so. I'll bring 'em.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
I think setting aside a block of time for her to work some of that Appleseed Magic with a small group of new-er-ish shooters, would be a sterling opportunity for both her and them.
Anyone got some shooting mats they can bring? Makes firing from the prone a much better thing.
I'm going to bring some wooden stakes and surveyors' ribbon. Better to mark out the back end and muzzle end of the firing line areas.
And Weasel....I've got some steel ammo cans, not a whole bunch, but a half dozen or so. I'll bring 'em.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at October 07, 2018 09:47 PM (QzJWU)
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Indeed. Just like the whole HQ, it is a collaboration.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at October 07, 2018 09:45 PM (I16G
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Like the cookbook bluebell made me work on.
Indeed. Just like the whole HQ, it is a collaboration.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at October 07, 2018 09:45 PM (I16G
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Like the cookbook bluebell made me work on.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 09:47 PM (g5Oh1)
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If you're intending to move tactically, I still believe an attached light is a bad idea.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at October 07, 2018 09:43 PM (5Yee7)
I don't disagree at all. I wouldn't run a tac light in a run and gun nor if I were patrolling. Don't want the weight or to give away a position on purpose or accidentally. But defending a house at night, it's an advantage that's worth it.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at October 07, 2018 09:43 PM (5Yee7)
I don't disagree at all. I wouldn't run a tac light in a run and gun nor if I were patrolling. Don't want the weight or to give away a position on purpose or accidentally. But defending a house at night, it's an advantage that's worth it.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 07, 2018 09:47 PM (pUDQf)
Posted by: Basement Cat at October 07, 2018 09:47 PM (3C9q2)
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" I have a 1:9, but just because that's what came with my rifle. It works fine for M855 to about 100yd, which is all I ask of it. "
There are a ton of nice somewhat-older rifles floating around that still have 1:9. If you're not shooting heavy match ammo they will work fine; there just isn't a reason to buy a new one out of what is on the market today.
There are a ton of nice somewhat-older rifles floating around that still have 1:9. If you're not shooting heavy match ammo they will work fine; there just isn't a reason to buy a new one out of what is on the market today.
Posted by: lurker at October 07, 2018 09:48 PM (67XdO)
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Posted by: Jim at October 07, 2018 09:47 PM (QzJWU)
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Just one is good for my rifle. Thanks Jim!
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Just one is good for my rifle. Thanks Jim!
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 09:48 PM (g5Oh1)
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Like the cookbook bluebell made me work on.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 09:47 PM (g5Oh1)
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What can't that shiv carrying blog Mom accomplish?
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 09:47 PM (g5Oh1)
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What can't that shiv carrying blog Mom accomplish?
Posted by: Calm Mentor at October 07, 2018 09:48 PM (I16G8)
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Glad it turned out well. I was well into the bourbon yesterday (hey, gotta support Cocaine Mitch's economy!) and I'm more than a little paranoid about meeting strangers from the internet.
Posted by: K.N. McBride at October 07, 2018 09:41 PM (cfSRQ)
Well, you're a stranger from the internet too, you know. A dozen random internet weirdos turned out to be very pleasant company, so don't worry about it.
Come out to the next one, email is in my nick if you want to get on the notification list.
Posted by: K.N. McBride at October 07, 2018 09:41 PM (cfSRQ)
Well, you're a stranger from the internet too, you know. A dozen random internet weirdos turned out to be very pleasant company, so don't worry about it.
Come out to the next one, email is in my nick if you want to get on the notification list.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2018 09:49 PM (y87Qq)
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It comes to my mind that my FAL that is most likely to have a cycling problem is the folding stock DSA that I bought.
The normal design with the bigger spring in the stock is much less likely to have an issue for me. In fact, I'm not sure if those ever have cycling problems. It might just be the "paratrooper" with the triple spring in the BC that has issue at low gas.
That's really the only one of the FALs that I have shot in the last year or two.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 07, 2018 09:42 PM
An FN with a folding stock? Yeah that might be a problem. Standard model (well, back in the day) could present cycling issues. It's been a long time since I used them, but adjusting the gas usually resolved the issue. IIRC, a bigger kick meant fewer problems?
The normal design with the bigger spring in the stock is much less likely to have an issue for me. In fact, I'm not sure if those ever have cycling problems. It might just be the "paratrooper" with the triple spring in the BC that has issue at low gas.
That's really the only one of the FALs that I have shot in the last year or two.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 07, 2018 09:42 PM
An FN with a folding stock? Yeah that might be a problem. Standard model (well, back in the day) could present cycling issues. It's been a long time since I used them, but adjusting the gas usually resolved the issue. IIRC, a bigger kick meant fewer problems?
Posted by: otho at October 07, 2018 09:49 PM (LkFnL)
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Like the cookbook bluebell made me work on.
Posted by: Weasel
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Firearms are fine, but a shiv can be very persuasive.
Like the cookbook bluebell made me work on.
Posted by: Weasel
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Firearms are fine, but a shiv can be very persuasive.
Posted by: Nothardly at October 07, 2018 09:49 PM (Pu/Kw)
497
I really like my new stag arms stag 15 mlok rifle. It's my first ar and I couldn't be happier
Posted by: GMan at October 07, 2018 09:49 PM (IFQ1S)
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What can't that shiv carrying blog Mom accomplish?
Posted by: Calm Mentor at October 07, 2018 09:48 PM (I16G
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Fear is a great motivator!
What can't that shiv carrying blog Mom accomplish?
Posted by: Calm Mentor at October 07, 2018 09:48 PM (I16G
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Fear is a great motivator!
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 09:50 PM (g5Oh1)
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It comes to my mind that my FAL that is most likely to have a cycling problem is the folding stock DSA that I bought.
The normal design with the bigger spring in the stock is much less
likely to have an issue for me. In fact, I'm not sure if those ever
have cycling problems. It might just be the "paratrooper" with the
triple spring in the BC that has issue at low gas.
That's really the only one of the FALs that I have shot in the last year or two.
Posted by: Grump928(C)
Funny you should mention that, I have been toying with the idea of making mine into a Para with the DSA kit (I tried the Falcon Arms, twice!, but it was cast and not durable...broke the stock lug twice and just decided I was done with the Para configuration...but was going to give the forged DSA a chance).
I like the ability to shrink a FAL into the footprint of a tennis racquet case, but I never quite trusted them. Between the Falcon Arms folding stock lug crapping out, and the para dust cover also crapping out...I just didn't want to rely on that particular weapon if I really, really needed it, so I sold it.
If I ever doubt a weapon's reliability, it gets sold. I have neither the money nor time for questionably reliable firearms.
But I really do miss it.
The normal design with the bigger spring in the stock is much less
likely to have an issue for me. In fact, I'm not sure if those ever
have cycling problems. It might just be the "paratrooper" with the
triple spring in the BC that has issue at low gas.
That's really the only one of the FALs that I have shot in the last year or two.
Posted by: Grump928(C)
Funny you should mention that, I have been toying with the idea of making mine into a Para with the DSA kit (I tried the Falcon Arms, twice!, but it was cast and not durable...broke the stock lug twice and just decided I was done with the Para configuration...but was going to give the forged DSA a chance).
I like the ability to shrink a FAL into the footprint of a tennis racquet case, but I never quite trusted them. Between the Falcon Arms folding stock lug crapping out, and the para dust cover also crapping out...I just didn't want to rely on that particular weapon if I really, really needed it, so I sold it.
If I ever doubt a weapon's reliability, it gets sold. I have neither the money nor time for questionably reliable firearms.
But I really do miss it.
Posted by: Oedipus at October 07, 2018 09:50 PM (CXLVd)
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497 I really like my new stag arms stag 15 mlok rifle. It's my first ar and I couldn't be happier
Posted by: GMan at October 07, 2018 09:49 PM (IFQ1S)
Stag Arms was my first AR. Good choice.
Posted by: GMan at October 07, 2018 09:49 PM (IFQ1S)
Stag Arms was my first AR. Good choice.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 07, 2018 09:50 PM (pUDQf)
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489 If you're intending to move tactically, I still believe an attached light is a bad idea.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at October 07, 2018 09:43 PM (5Yee7)
I don't disagree at all. I wouldn't run a tac light in a run and gun nor if I were patrolling. Don't want the weight or to give away a position on purpose or accidentally. But defending a house at night, it's an advantage that's worth it.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 07, 2018 09:47 PM (pUDQf)
Yep. There's offensive role and defensive role.
Different tools for different jobs.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at October 07, 2018 09:43 PM (5Yee7)
I don't disagree at all. I wouldn't run a tac light in a run and gun nor if I were patrolling. Don't want the weight or to give away a position on purpose or accidentally. But defending a house at night, it's an advantage that's worth it.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 07, 2018 09:47 PM (pUDQf)
Yep. There's offensive role and defensive role.
Different tools for different jobs.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 07, 2018 09:51 PM (xJa6I)
502
You have to get pretty far into the absolute middle of nowhere before you can't find any structures or natural features you'd want a light inside of.
If you're worried about a white light ND, most of the good models have a mechanical lockout feature. If they don't, just toss on the appropriate sized Butler Creek scope cap.
If you're worried about a white light ND, most of the good models have a mechanical lockout feature. If they don't, just toss on the appropriate sized Butler Creek scope cap.
Posted by: lurker at October 07, 2018 09:51 PM (67XdO)
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I always thought a line of anti-static, cardigans, vests, and hoodies for data center and noc's would be a strong seller. Easy to roll up sleeves, lots of pen slots, and pithy geek sayings -something between Scott Adams and Ranger Up.
Posted by: Jean at October 07, 2018 09:04 PM (UXFaG)
This is not a bad idea. Or maybe discreet flannel-lined khakis and oxford shirts.
Posted by: hogmartin at October
I used a classic cotton beach hoodie in the noc for years, but never liked all the strings. I had geek cred with the older, jcl types.
Posted by: Jean at October 07, 2018 09:04 PM (UXFaG)
This is not a bad idea. Or maybe discreet flannel-lined khakis and oxford shirts.
Posted by: hogmartin at October
I used a classic cotton beach hoodie in the noc for years, but never liked all the strings. I had geek cred with the older, jcl types.
Posted by: Jean at October 07, 2018 09:52 PM (UXFaG)
504
Firearms are fine, but a shiv can be very persuasive.
Posted by: Nothardly at October 07, 2018 09:49 PM (Pu/Kw)
What's a shiv?
Posted by: Nothardly at October 07, 2018 09:49 PM (Pu/Kw)
What's a shiv?
Posted by: Sadiq Kahn, Mayor of London at October 07, 2018 09:52 PM (WyU9y)
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489 If you're intending to move tactically, I still believe an attached light is a bad idea.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at October 07, 2018 09:43 PM (5Yee7)
I don't disagree at all. I wouldn't run a tac light in a run and gun nor if I were patrolling. Don't want the weight or to give away a position on purpose or accidentally. But defending a house at night, it's an advantage that's worth it.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 07, 2018 09:47 PM (pUDQf)
"Guns for show. Knives for a pro."
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at October 07, 2018 09:43 PM (5Yee7)
I don't disagree at all. I wouldn't run a tac light in a run and gun nor if I were patrolling. Don't want the weight or to give away a position on purpose or accidentally. But defending a house at night, it's an advantage that's worth it.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 07, 2018 09:47 PM (pUDQf)
"Guns for show. Knives for a pro."
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 07, 2018 09:52 PM (xJa6I)
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500 497 I really like my new stag arms stag 15 mlok rifle. It's my first ar and I couldn't be happier
Posted by: GMan at October 07, 2018 09:49 PM (IFQ1S)
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Nice! Great feeling, isn't it?
Posted by: GMan at October 07, 2018 09:49 PM (IFQ1S)
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Nice! Great feeling, isn't it?
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 09:53 PM (g5Oh1)
507
Gun Jesus just had a video today about a double barreled, bolt action hunting rifle. It's awesome. If only I had $30k or so to spend on a gun.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y7c42x4u
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y7c42x4u
Posted by: Ace's liver at October 07, 2018 09:53 PM (h2Bdk)
508
Weasel/Jim, we need a little more coordination here. I have 1/2 inch 4x8 mats. Jim, I have what Weasel needs for ammo cans. Tell me the length on the 2x6's and they will be cut.
Posted by: Ben Had at October 07, 2018 09:53 PM (nudZs)
509
Perfect for home defense.
Posted by: Ace's liver at October 07, 2018 09:53 PM (h2Bdk)
510
Jim @ 487- Mrs. E says she will bring a S n' W AR15-22 and some .22LR for some of those virgin shooters to try out.
Posted by: Eromero at October 07, 2018 09:54 PM (zLDYs)
511
Any of you morons fighting aging and degenerating eyesight? My eyes are still okay but I noticed they are not what they used to be. A lot of shooting where I know the hole goes, not where I see it.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 07, 2018 09:54 PM (pUDQf)
512
My DSA also wants to brass up the receiver but I have been slow to take a file to the ejector to change it.
I just put a couple of strips of electrical tape where the ejecting cartridges strike. It will put a small crease in the brass though, but I don't reload yet, but I still collect it.
I just put a couple of strips of electrical tape where the ejecting cartridges strike. It will put a small crease in the brass though, but I don't reload yet, but I still collect it.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 07, 2018 09:54 PM (yQpMk)
513
I really want to love the FAL rifle platform...but wow.
Not one single bit of the ergonomics of that thing line up right for me, other than the mag release.
Same reason I sold my PTR-91. Sweet rifle, but just didn't fit. Plus, brass mangler. Wish I could've kept that awesome Zeiss optic that went with it, but talk about a "dedicated design" piece of equipment, that was surely one such.
Is there such a thing as a truly standardized AR-10 specification? I could go with that, or an M1-A and be happy either way.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Not one single bit of the ergonomics of that thing line up right for me, other than the mag release.
Same reason I sold my PTR-91. Sweet rifle, but just didn't fit. Plus, brass mangler. Wish I could've kept that awesome Zeiss optic that went with it, but talk about a "dedicated design" piece of equipment, that was surely one such.
Is there such a thing as a truly standardized AR-10 specification? I could go with that, or an M1-A and be happy either way.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at October 07, 2018 09:54 PM (QzJWU)
514
Took Basic with the Garand qualified expert, shot the 1911, 3.5 recoilless, .30LMG and Ma Deuce, and the BAR.
Midway through USAEUR we were issued the M14 and I fell right in love with it. Carried it in Vietnam and subsequently purchased one from an elderly gentleman partially divesting of his collection because of retina problems.
Currently I have a Garand, the '14, dad's 1911, and my Ithaca 37, with all the barrels.
Took Basic with the Garand qualified expert, shot the 1911, 3.5 recoilless, .30LMG and Ma Deuce, and the BAR.
Midway through USAEUR we were issued the M14 and I fell right in love with it. Carried it in Vietnam and subsequently purchased one from an elderly gentleman partially divesting of his collection because of retina problems.
Currently I have a Garand, the '14, dad's 1911, and my Ithaca 37, with all the barrels.
Posted by: irongrampa at October 07, 2018 09:56 PM (S/hVx)
515
508 Weasel/Jim, we need a little more coordination here. I have 1/2 inch 4x8 mats. Jim, I have what Weasel needs for ammo cans. Tell me the length on the 2x6's and they will be cut.
Posted by: Ben Had at October 07, 2018 09:53 PM (nudZs)
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Either the ammo can or the 2x6's - maybe 10 inches long. Either/Or. Thanks BH
Posted by: Ben Had at October 07, 2018 09:53 PM (nudZs)
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Either the ammo can or the 2x6's - maybe 10 inches long. Either/Or. Thanks BH
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 09:56 PM (g5Oh1)
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511 Any of you morons fighting aging and degenerating eyesight? My eyes are still okay but I noticed they are not what they used to be. A lot of shooting where I know the hole goes, not where I see it.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 07, 2018 09:54 PM (pUDQf)
Sigh. I took up shooting again after 20 years or so. Back then I had 15/20 vision and now I have trouble reading street signs. I'm doing exactly what you're doing.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 07, 2018 09:54 PM (pUDQf)
Sigh. I took up shooting again after 20 years or so. Back then I had 15/20 vision and now I have trouble reading street signs. I'm doing exactly what you're doing.
Posted by: Ace's liver at October 07, 2018 09:56 PM (h2Bdk)
517
Recommendations for an FN/FAL maker or source?
I'd love to have one but am unsure what to get and not waste my money.
Thanks!
I'd love to have one but am unsure what to get and not waste my money.
Thanks!
Posted by: Gref at October 07, 2018 09:57 PM (AMIL/)
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516 511 Any of you morons fighting aging and degenerating eyesight? My eyes are still okay but I noticed they are not what they used to be. A lot of shooting where I know the hole goes, not where I see it.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 07, 2018 09:54 PM (pUDQf)
Sigh. I took up shooting again after 20 years or so. Back then I had 15/20 vision and now I have trouble reading street signs. I'm doing exactly what you're doing.
Posted by: Ace's liver at October 07, 2018 09:56 PM (h2Bdk)
Yeah...I'm 48 now. And I just LAST YEAR figured out the 'focus on the front sight' bit. My shooting got much more accurate...right when my eyes are going to shit.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 07, 2018 09:54 PM (pUDQf)
Sigh. I took up shooting again after 20 years or so. Back then I had 15/20 vision and now I have trouble reading street signs. I'm doing exactly what you're doing.
Posted by: Ace's liver at October 07, 2018 09:56 PM (h2Bdk)
Yeah...I'm 48 now. And I just LAST YEAR figured out the 'focus on the front sight' bit. My shooting got much more accurate...right when my eyes are going to shit.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 07, 2018 09:57 PM (xJa6I)
519
Took Basic with the Garand qualified expert, shot the 1911, 3.5 recoilless, .30LMG and Ma Deuce, and the BAR.
Posted by: irongrampa at October 07, 2018 09:56 PM (S/hVx)
*checks gig line, stands a little straighter*
Posted by: irongrampa at October 07, 2018 09:56 PM (S/hVx)
*checks gig line, stands a little straighter*
Posted by: hogmartin at October 07, 2018 09:57 PM (y87Qq)
520
Any of you morons fighting aging and degenerating eyesight? My eyes are still okay but I noticed they are not what they used to be. A lot of shooting where I know the hole goes, not where I see it.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 07, 2018 09:54 PM
My eyes are shit. Can't see anything anymore.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 07, 2018 09:54 PM
My eyes are shit. Can't see anything anymore.
Posted by: otho at October 07, 2018 09:58 PM (LkFnL)
521
497 I really like my new stag arms stag 15 mlok rifle. It's my first ar and I couldn't be happier
Posted by: GMan at October 07, 2018 09:49 PM (IFQ1S)
Stag Arms was my first AR. Good choice.
Posted by: AlaBAMA
Mine too. Traded it even for an STG-58 FAL, which I traded even for a Springfield M1A Super-match, which I traded even for a RRA LAR-8, which I sold to buy my 74' F-250 Camper Special, which I'm now selling to buy a 4WD Dakota with a 5.9.
Wow...that Stag has quite a line of descendants, lol.
Posted by: GMan at October 07, 2018 09:49 PM (IFQ1S)
Stag Arms was my first AR. Good choice.
Posted by: AlaBAMA
Mine too. Traded it even for an STG-58 FAL, which I traded even for a Springfield M1A Super-match, which I traded even for a RRA LAR-8, which I sold to buy my 74' F-250 Camper Special, which I'm now selling to buy a 4WD Dakota with a 5.9.
Wow...that Stag has quite a line of descendants, lol.
Posted by: Oedipus at October 07, 2018 09:58 PM (CXLVd)
522
So SpaceX is planning to launch a satellite for Argentina at 10:21 pm EDT. This will be the first attempt at a booster landing at the Vandenberg launch site. The landing pad is only 1400 feet from the launch pad, which is cool. When they say RTLS, they really mean it this time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr_C6LQ7mHc
Here is an article that also gives some history of Vandenberg's Space Launch Complex 4.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/yd26k684
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr_C6LQ7mHc
Here is an article that also gives some history of Vandenberg's Space Launch Complex 4.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/yd26k684
Posted by: rickl at October 07, 2018 09:59 PM (sdi6R)
523
LA ties it up: 5-5, bottom 5th
Posted by: Basement Cat at October 07, 2018 09:59 PM (3C9q2)
524
I use +2.0 readers when I'm shooting handguns. My match rifles all have optics. With iron sights I just point in the general direction of the target.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 09:59 PM (MVjcR)
525
Recommendations for an FN/FAL maker or source?
I'd love to have one but am unsure what to get and not waste my money.
Thanks!
Posted by: Gref
Haven't done much with FALs in a while, but I think DSA is pretty much the only game in town anymore.
You could see if Mark Graham ("Gunplumber") at Arizona Response Systems is still building them. DSA and occasionally Coonan make receivers he will build on. And if you can find a gear-logo Imbel, those are top-notch too.
I'd love to have one but am unsure what to get and not waste my money.
Thanks!
Posted by: Gref
Haven't done much with FALs in a while, but I think DSA is pretty much the only game in town anymore.
You could see if Mark Graham ("Gunplumber") at Arizona Response Systems is still building them. DSA and occasionally Coonan make receivers he will build on. And if you can find a gear-logo Imbel, those are top-notch too.
Posted by: Oedipus at October 07, 2018 10:00 PM (CXLVd)
526
Recommendations for an FN/FAL maker or source?
I got all mine used off GB. I believe that DSA has gone the cheaper cast receivers know so I don't know if I would want a new one. An early DSA Stg is a very nice rifle.
I got all mine used off GB. I believe that DSA has gone the cheaper cast receivers know so I don't know if I would want a new one. An early DSA Stg is a very nice rifle.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 07, 2018 10:01 PM (yQpMk)
527
...Weasel/Jim, we need a little more coordination here. I have 1/2 inch 4x8 mats. Jim, I have what Weasel needs for ammo cans. Tell me the length on the 2x6's and they will be cut.
Posted by: Ben Had at October 07, 2018 09:53 PM (nudZs)
We'll go with your mats, but I already have a surfeit of 2"x2"s already cut, as a natural by-product of rebuilding the front stairs, their railings and the porch railings.
Gotta get 'em outta the garage, anyway.
I think the firing line setup this year will be a little more "obvious" as to where the boundaries are, etc. Easier for everyone.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Ben Had at October 07, 2018 09:53 PM (nudZs)
We'll go with your mats, but I already have a surfeit of 2"x2"s already cut, as a natural by-product of rebuilding the front stairs, their railings and the porch railings.
Gotta get 'em outta the garage, anyway.
I think the firing line setup this year will be a little more "obvious" as to where the boundaries are, etc. Easier for everyone.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at October 07, 2018 10:02 PM (QzJWU)
528
ONT is NOOD
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 07, 2018 10:02 PM (0ReGO)
529
Not a fan of gun mounted lights at all. You should have adequate, battery power lights in place for your pre-planned fire zones at your castle. Letting the bad guy know where you are, on your turf is ceding an significant tactical advantage. I also have a toss able strobe that's set on constant vs strobe. Kinda like a flrae.
Now, if you're storming a dark, unknown structure as part of a fire team; well then you should have the budget to roll with swir came and ir spots.
Now, if you're storming a dark, unknown structure as part of a fire team; well then you should have the budget to roll with swir came and ir spots.
Posted by: Jean at October 07, 2018 10:03 PM (UXFaG)
530
OK. That's a wrap. Thanks again everybody!!!
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 10:03 PM (MVjcR)
531
I really want to love the FAL rifle platform...but wow.
Not one single bit of the ergonomics of that thing line up right for me, other than the mag release.
...
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
I consider myself very lucky, my FAL fits me like a glove, and feels like an extension of my body.
But I understand what you mean. I love the AK platform in concept, but it never really clicked with me, ergonomically. Many other guns got traded/sold for the same reason.
I really want to love the FAL rifle platform...but wow.
Not one single bit of the ergonomics of that thing line up right for me, other than the mag release.
...
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
I consider myself very lucky, my FAL fits me like a glove, and feels like an extension of my body.
But I understand what you mean. I love the AK platform in concept, but it never really clicked with me, ergonomically. Many other guns got traded/sold for the same reason.
Posted by: Oedipus at October 07, 2018 10:04 PM (CXLVd)
532
Any of you morons fighting aging and degenerating eyesight?
Yep. I have had high myopia and astigmatism all my adult life but now at, ahem, 29, I am also developing cataracts. Gonna have to get something done about that fairly soon.
Yep. I have had high myopia and astigmatism all my adult life but now at, ahem, 29, I am also developing cataracts. Gonna have to get something done about that fairly soon.
Posted by: Bob Boof the Bilderberg at October 07, 2018 10:04 PM (cTajt)
533
Anyone having vision problems shooting, GO GET CHECKED FOR CATARACTS.
Last year I discovered during a routine exam to get new contacts there was a mild cataract in my right eye and incipient signs in the left.
Upshot was with a rebuild plus some lasering I got some very accurate weapons again.
Anyone having vision problems shooting, GO GET CHECKED FOR CATARACTS.
Last year I discovered during a routine exam to get new contacts there was a mild cataract in my right eye and incipient signs in the left.
Upshot was with a rebuild plus some lasering I got some very accurate weapons again.
Posted by: irongrampa at October 07, 2018 10:05 PM (S/hVx)
534
530 OK. That's a wrap. Thanks again everybody!!!
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 10:03 PM (MVjcR)
Thank you, Weasel. Good thread as always.
Posted by: Weasel at October 07, 2018 10:03 PM (MVjcR)
Thank you, Weasel. Good thread as always.
Posted by: rickl at October 07, 2018 10:06 PM (sdi6R)
535
Thanks Weasel, it's always nice to make it to the gun thread. Feels like home.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 07, 2018 10:08 PM (xJa6I)
536
Is there such a thing as a truly standardized AR-10 specification? I could go with that, or an M1-A and be happy either way.
SR-25
SR-25
Posted by: Jean at October 07, 2018 10:12 PM (UXFaG)
537
529 Not a fan of gun mounted lights at all. You should have adequate, battery power lights in place for your pre-planned fire zones at your castle. Letting the bad guy know where you are, on your turf is ceding an significant tactical advantage. I also have a toss able strobe that's set on constant vs strobe. Kinda like a flrae.
Now, if you're storming a dark, unknown structure as part of a fire team; well then you should have the budget to roll with swir came and ir spots.
Posted by: Jean at October 07, 2018 10:03 PM (UXFaG)
Totally agree. I consider those things to be "shoot me" signs. Also enhanced vision equipment is cheap enough you don't need to be a soldier to use it.
Now, if you're storming a dark, unknown structure as part of a fire team; well then you should have the budget to roll with swir came and ir spots.
Posted by: Jean at October 07, 2018 10:03 PM (UXFaG)
Totally agree. I consider those things to be "shoot me" signs. Also enhanced vision equipment is cheap enough you don't need to be a soldier to use it.
Posted by: Ace's liver at October 07, 2018 10:12 PM (h2Bdk)
538
pursue
Posted by: Carpe mish at October 07, 2018 10:33 PM (OUlqh)
539
All I have for my AR are 30 round Pmags. Never had a feed issue, ever. As far as loading 1 or 2 fewer rounds, I'd say that makes no sense. Otherwise you'd never have a feed issue except in the first two rounds.
Posted by: Heresolong at October 07, 2018 10:49 PM (spsWF)
540
Hey Jim / Ben Had if you're still here,
I have 4 or 5 shooting mats that have a permanent home in the truck, will bring some Appleseed targets / couple of 10/22s / etc.
I have 4 or 5 shooting mats that have a permanent home in the truck, will bring some Appleseed targets / couple of 10/22s / etc.
Posted by: Steck at October 07, 2018 10:57 PM (LlRQB)
541
Shit. Missed the gun thread. Too busy missing my puppy dog Puska. God bless you sweet little dog.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at October 08, 2018 01:53 AM (5nEze)
542
Hash check
Posted by: Tim in Illinois at October 08, 2018 03:23 AM (vqIkG)
543
Subject: "It's not loaded." In about 1974 I was working in Seattle. Some friends invited me to go hunting on the first day of deer season. One of our guys had a son, about 13 years old, who was on his first hunt. He'd passed the safety course and had a license. I was in the USAR at the time.
When we got back to camp on the first day, an old friend of one of our guys invited us to his trailer. We all sat down to BS about something exciting I can no longer remember when the boy spotted the trailer owner's .22 auto he kept for personal protection. The kid asked if he could see the weapon, and the owner said sure. He proceeded to point it at me, point it at his dad, and wave it around while generally violating every safety regulation anyone had ever heard of. When he finally put it down, I asked to see it. Owner replied OK. When I cleared it, I popped the magazine...full load. When I cycled the action, out came the round in the chamber. To his credit, the kid turned white as a ghost.
When we got back to camp on the first day, an old friend of one of our guys invited us to his trailer. We all sat down to BS about something exciting I can no longer remember when the boy spotted the trailer owner's .22 auto he kept for personal protection. The kid asked if he could see the weapon, and the owner said sure. He proceeded to point it at me, point it at his dad, and wave it around while generally violating every safety regulation anyone had ever heard of. When he finally put it down, I asked to see it. Owner replied OK. When I cleared it, I popped the magazine...full load. When I cycled the action, out came the round in the chamber. To his credit, the kid turned white as a ghost.
Posted by: wGraves at October 08, 2018 07:16 AM (UrYGK)
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The practical difference between 762nato/556 and 223/308 is thicker brass, exterior dimensions are identical. For a volume shooter like myself it's great for reloading. I have a variety of pistols and rifles but what I shoot all the time are my AR's with 20" barrels . It's a great combo 75gr 223 and 150 gr 308 have the same trajectory. I shoot 100 to 500 yards and at 500 you don't get much advantage out of a Creedmoor or a Valkyrie, so I'm sticking with my 34 and 39 cent reloads.
Posted by: ck at October 08, 2018 10:31 AM (GXRoa)
545
As for old eyes, scopes, hunting scopes. One of the things I like about going to the range is I can see and hear again(passive ear protection) and scopes. Hint: a $2000 scope is a thing to behold but you wont shoot any better than you will with an $80 scope.
Posted by: ck at October 08, 2018 10:42 AM (GXRoa)
546
Greetings:
One of the many things that amused me during my military daze (68-70) was the US Army's commitment to the 20-round magazine for the M-16 while our opponents were running around with 30s in their AKs thereby confirming what is often said about "military intelligence".
I would also like to give a kudo or two to Mr. Stoner for his "buffer group" in his plastic stock. A great addition that never seems to get much of a mention.
One of the many things that amused me during my military daze (68-70) was the US Army's commitment to the 20-round magazine for the M-16 while our opponents were running around with 30s in their AKs thereby confirming what is often said about "military intelligence".
I would also like to give a kudo or two to Mr. Stoner for his "buffer group" in his plastic stock. A great addition that never seems to get much of a mention.
Posted by: 11B40 at October 08, 2018 11:19 AM (evgyj)
547
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