The Morning Rant: J.V. Edition

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September 11th 2001 was a singular event in American history, and one that should be respected, not used as a facile and inflammatory analogy for other events. "This silly and culturally unimportant event is like 9/11" should be stricken from the style guides of every columnist and pundit and assorted ass-hat who chooses to trivialize the murder of 3,000 Americans. And part of me suspects that the construction is purposeful, to shrink the attacks down to a forgettable size, to make them just another bump in the road to the new world order that so many enemies of America desire.

Too much of our current recognition of the attacks are a maudlin paean to loss, rather than a cold and brutal reminder that we are in a war for our very existence. Perhaps "9/11" should be more closely aligned with "Remember Pearl Harbor," with its martial connotations and call to arms.

This date evokes in me a cold fury, that we were attacked, that we have not yet brought the full weight of our culture and might to bear on those who would destroy us.


Yes Mr. Schlichter, we are still killing them, and we are not beaten. But a renewed attention to our martial spirit is in order. I am confident that our armed forces are up to the task, especially with the cataclysmic shift in the oval office, but the focus is still on surgical strikes and guarding the delicate sensibilities of the soft and effeminate West, at the expense of American blood. Too many Americans have died because of this attitude, and it is long past the time at which we move to a real war footing. The lives of Americans must be considered more valuable, and must be preserved. If that means that more civilians in far-off lands are killed as a result of actions against our enemies, then so be it. It is time to take to heart the phrase, "America First," not as the isolationist organization that collapsed just days after Pearl Harbor, or as a KKK slogan (which is just what the media wants), but as a reminder that we have the right and obligation to defend our national interests against all attacks, and to place the well-being of Americans above all others.

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1 Willowed:
People are talking about the path to 9/11. If you want to watch a documentary that will make your hair stand on end, watch the Frontline (yeah, probably the last honest thing PBS journos did) "The Man Who knew." It is really, really interesting, with a twist at the end that Hollywood couldn't write. And, yes, The Clinton Cabal had numerous opportunities to stop this tragedy.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at September 11, 2018 11:03 AM (ty7RM)

2 Great football vid!

Posted by: navybrat, in a grim mood today at September 11, 2018 11:04 AM (w7KSn)

3 Thread killer AND first! The sun shines on me today.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at September 11, 2018 11:04 AM (ty7RM)

4 Punk monkey needs to be blowing that kiss to the goat humpers.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 11, 2018 11:06 AM (rIQuo)

5 I believe the treatment of the young woman who soundly defeated Serena Williams was disgraceful. Those people involved should be utterly ashamed of themselves but they won't be.

Posted by: Northernlurker lurkier than ever at September 11, 2018 11:06 AM (nBr1j)

6 Corgis called

Posted by: rickb223 at September 11, 2018 11:06 AM (rIQuo)

7 @1

9/11 was and should have prevented.


It truly was an inside job but not how the leftists portray or frame it.

Posted by: Kreplach at September 11, 2018 11:07 AM (mv+Oj)

8 Is Hillary going to a faceplant today?

Posted by: Northernlurker lurkier than ever at September 11, 2018 11:08 AM (nBr1j)

9 That whole Serena thing is / was ridiculous.

Posted by: garrett at September 11, 2018 11:08 AM (Q5lAo)

10 I'm ready to privatize or transfer responsibility for the human hunting preserve in AFPAK.

But I respect and honor everyone who went to the sandboxes there and in Iraq.

Sometimes you have to kill a lot of people so no one thinks it's worth poking the Eagle again.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 11, 2018 11:09 AM (bcbK8)

11 Sept 11 2001 did have a profound effect on me.
For one thing, I was determined to understand Islam, as much as I could.
So, I read the Koran and the rest of the related books.
(You can find English translations on University of Virginia web sites.)
It was then I understood that Islam is out to kill me and mine.
And that I, as a Christian, was commanded to love them.
That caused a real moment of epiphany.
A moment that hasn't ended.

Posted by: navybrat, in a grim mood today at September 11, 2018 11:09 AM (w7KSn)

12
guys, omg pic.twitter.com/Mb2owKynZa



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THAT

WAS

AWWWWWWWESOME.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 11, 2018 11:09 AM (8XRCm)

13 The West is absolutely not beaten.... what we see in America now is a lot of people who have thrown their lot in with evil...

Posted by: kraken at September 11, 2018 11:10 AM (ffWPP)

14 Perhaps Serena should try out for the Raiders. She more closely resembles a linebacker than a tennis player.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at September 11, 2018 11:10 AM (xP7rZ)

15 What kind of deterrent is killing people who view death as an improvement to their current situation?

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 11, 2018 11:10 AM (CQ3Qb)

16 That video is perfection.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at September 11, 2018 11:10 AM (JSCh5)

17 15 What kind of deterrent is killing people who view death as an improvement to their current situation?
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 11, 2018 11:10 AM (CQ3Qb)

It deters them from doing it again because they're dead.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 11, 2018 11:11 AM (bcbK8)

18 >>Serena should try out for the Raiders. She more closely resembles a linebacker than a tennis player.


Except her penis would cause a lot of jealousy and feelings of inadequacy in the rest of the Linebacker Corps.

Posted by: garrett at September 11, 2018 11:11 AM (Q5lAo)

19
Never forget the true meaning of the day.

It's a day to go on Twitter and remind everyone how you're so much better than they are.

Posted by: lowandslow at September 11, 2018 11:11 AM (ye3s4)

20 @15
The dead ones are deterred.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at September 11, 2018 11:12 AM (xP7rZ)

21
Great football vid. But at a certain point you just know what's coming.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at September 11, 2018 11:12 AM (LOgQ4)

22
What kind of deterrent is killing people who view death as an improvement to their current situation?


Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 11, 2018 11:10 AM (CQ3Qb)


Burying them in a pig's ass is a good start.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at September 11, 2018 11:12 AM (9Om/r)

23 Studies have shown that radical Islamists who are converted into a fine pink mist via ordinance never commit future acts of terrorism.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at September 11, 2018 11:12 AM (vbJig)

24
- Bring the troops home.
- Put Militray on our Borders.
- Build the Wall.
- zero immigration for a generation or 2

These are in our national interest not wasting blood and treasure playing world police acting as cannon fodder for the intrtests of other countries.

It's been 17 years... Just sayin.

Posted by: your neighbor at September 11, 2018 11:12 AM (UbWxe)

25 What kind of deterrent is killing people who view death as an improvement to their current situation?

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Within any group, there are always people (even if on the margins) who can do the math. Addition is typically more appealing the subtraction and vice versa.

Posted by: SH at September 11, 2018 11:13 AM (sX1BW)

26 That football video is hysterical

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 11, 2018 11:13 AM (OLCnA)

27

Barrack Obama is a man.

Serena Williams is a woman.




**taps chin**

Maybe the left is on to something with the whole gender fluid thing.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 11, 2018 11:14 AM (8XRCm)

28 Seventeen years later and now my local Win-Co sells goat in their meat dept. So there's that.

Posted by: washrivergal at September 11, 2018 11:14 AM (Kcf2u)

29 >>- Bring the troops home.
- Put Militray on our Borders.
- Build the Wall.

- Nuke Mecca and Medina

- zero immigration for a generation or 2

Posted by: garrett at September 11, 2018 11:14 AM (Q5lAo)

30 9/11 was curious for me, in that it started so good. I get to work, and the boss asked me if I wanted to take an early quit. We usually worked four tens, but the engineers needed a die grunt in on Friday so they could play with the machines. I took off after word was coming in about the towers, and what the hell was going on with flight 93. I get home, and my old Polish landlady was outside. I expected her to be upset, and she sure was. Some of the coldest emotion came from that old gal. "We have to find out who did this, remember Hitler, and hit them harder".

Posted by: bill in arkansas at September 11, 2018 11:15 AM (xzqr4)

31 Tough day for me, well, all of us really, so I'm just popping in to say I'm praying for all who died on this day in 2001, especially for those who numbered among the family and friends of the Horde. Living close to Dulles, and hearing the fighter jets overhead, and having no idea who was attacking us or why, I wondered if my kids and I would see my husband again. I was never so thankful for homeschooling as I was that day, having all my kids right there where I could see them.

Anyway. May God hold close the souls of all who died that day.

Posted by: bluebell at September 11, 2018 11:15 AM (C1PQi)

32 Very good rant. Thank you, CBD.

I aver that Iran is the strategic center of our problems. And we do not need to stomp it flat.

All those Qud Force outposts like in Yemen, the Red Sea, and Syria, are vulnerable.

They are vulnerable to MOABs, but more importantly, they are ripe for raids.

Jam communications. Send in Delta. Seals and Force Recon, with ParaRescue in overwatch.

Kill everyone. Everyone. ID the bodies. Take their computers and paperwork. Analyze and go on to the next target.


Most importantly, tell no one. Do not let the Press know.

The Qud Force will have morale and strength diminished. More importably, this force in one of two keys for keeping the leaders in power in Qom. Start knocking the external supports for best results.

And get the Crown Prince ready.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 11, 2018 11:16 AM (hyuyC)

33 That video made me guffaw. Thanks, I needed that.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at September 11, 2018 11:16 AM (xPJvm)

34 It was then I understood that Islam is out to kill me and mine.

And that I, as a Christian, was commanded to love them.
That caused a real moment of epiphany.
A moment that hasn't ended.

Posted by: navybrat, in a grim mood today at September 11, 2018 11:09 AM (w7KSn)

Turn the other cheek has limits. Minor insults and injuries are to be borne, but nowhere is the scripture does it say "lay there and die".

There's a time for every purpose under heaven, according to Ecclesiastes 3, and according to the Lord Himself, a time to sell cloaks and buy swords, and a time to drive the moneychangers out with a whip.

Love for your fellow man must also include wanting to liberate as many as possible from the demonic ideology that oppresses them, and this is a task that cannot be accomplished with any amount of kind words or forbearance.

Posted by: Cato by Phone at September 11, 2018 11:16 AM (J+mig)

35 I've done a lot of cloak selling since 9-11.

Posted by: navybrat, in a grim mood today at September 11, 2018 11:17 AM (w7KSn)

36 Christianity is not here today because it did not fight back... if a faith is not worth defending, then it's only a superficial thing, after all... IMO.

Posted by: kraken at September 11, 2018 11:19 AM (ffWPP)

37 Chris Stirwalt is a fat POS

Posted by: JoeF. at September 11, 2018 11:19 AM (NFEMn)

38 It is ironic to know that the vast majority of those killed in the twin towers if still around would likely be defending the islamists and comparing Trump to the worst mass murders in history.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at September 11, 2018 11:19 AM (xP7rZ)

39 My first thought on 9/11/01 was nuke mecca before its too late. Bottom line, lets show them how bad ass the 'great satan' can be. Carter opened the gate when he didn't go berserker in 1979.

Posted by: colfax mingo at September 11, 2018 11:19 AM (tCvhJ)

40 Kill everyone. Everyone. ID the bodies. Take their computers and paperwork. Analyze and go on to the next target.


Most importantly, tell no one. Do not let the Press know.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 11, 2018 11:16 AM (hyuyC)

An excellent plan. It satisfies a multitude of requirements...intelligence, decrease in capability of the enemy, etc.

And fear. The unknown is the scariest thing for most people.

You must not be an admiral.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 11, 2018 11:20 AM (wYseH)

41 Cloaks good, cloaks help hide weapons. I'm keeping my cloak.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at September 11, 2018 11:20 AM (9Om/r)

42 That POS woodfuck is releasing his book on 9/11?

Asshiole

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 11, 2018 11:20 AM (9MKXa)

43 Posted by: Xipe Totec at September 11, 2018 11:19 AM (xP7rZ)

Bullshit.

You are talking out of your ass.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 11, 2018 11:20 AM (wYseH)

44 It took a week after the attacks but finally someone (The Onion) wrote something that made us laugh:

https://tinyurl.com/Hijackers-in-Gehenna

A true classic.

Posted by: Sharkman at September 11, 2018 11:21 AM (FFJtw)

45 Posted by: your neighbor at September 11, 2018 11:12 AM (UbWxe)


Romeo13 Doctrine... which was the nick I went by years ago...


Bring the troops home, fortify the borders, build the damn Navy to where it should be (600 ships).


If someone attacks us or our assets, bomb the Holy living shit out of them. Destroy their economy. All Factories, dams, bridges, power plants... everything that makes them a modern country.

Then move in with a couple of Armored Divisions, and destroy the rest... THEN LEAVES.

If they want to act like Barbarians? very well, they can live without everything Western Civilization has given them.

Posted by: Don Q at September 11, 2018 11:21 AM (NgKpN)

46 That POS woodfuck is releasing his book on 9/11?

Asshiole
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 11, 2018 11:20 AM (9MKXa)

I was just thinking the same thing. I thought it was out already.

Posted by: JoeF. at September 11, 2018 11:21 AM (NFEMn)

47 Yes, the martial spirit. Civilizations die without it.
For one, let's stop calling 9/11 a Day of Service!

Posted by: Patricia at September 11, 2018 11:22 AM (qlTN9)

48 The Qud Force will have morale and strength diminished. More importably, this force in one of two keys for keeping the leaders in power in Qom. Start knocking the external supports for best results.

And get the Crown Prince ready.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 11, 2018 11:16 AM (hyuyC)



What is Mr. Pahlavi up to nowadays?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reza_Pahlavi,_Crown_Prince_of_Iran

Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 11, 2018 11:22 AM (ujg0T)

49 15 What kind of deterrent is killing people who view death as an improvement to their current situation?

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans


Well for one thing they can't breed anymore. For another, I doubt there is a large contingent of people that view themselves as better off dead that haven't already killed themselves one way or another.

Posted by: GnuBreed at September 11, 2018 11:22 AM (0ogQG)

50 It's impossible to forget that New York institution "Saturday Night Live" was obviously more heartbroken about Hillary losing than about 9/11. Leftists say the war is unwinnable: ironic, given that China is stamping out Muslim terrorism very effectively and the West doesn't dare say a word. It was even featured here!

Keep it up, kiddies. Bushbots no longer lead the GOP, which means Muslims in America- and their allies- might be on the receiving end of that Chinese treatment. What's the worst that can happen? They'll try to kill us?

Posted by: trev006 at September 11, 2018 11:22 AM (IV+S7)

51 11 "And that I, as a Christian, was commanded to love them"

Absolutely. Each is an individual created in the image and likeness of God. It's our duty to pray that each find God's grace and forgiveness.



Posted by: The Thumbs of Opposition at September 11, 2018 11:22 AM (O74hG)

52 The Enemies here inside our borders are more dangerous than those outside, the rich and powerful enemies are far more dangerous than the weak and poor ones.

That's the group that needs to be eliminated first. All others will come easily after that, and taking out the others will do us no good at all as long as we leave our Enemies here untouched.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 11, 2018 11:23 AM (k1TUh)

53 What kind of deterrent is killing people who view death as an improvement to their current situation?
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 11, 2018 11:10 AM (CQ3Qb)

It deters them from doing it again because they're dead.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards



Recidivism is reduced to zero. Can't get much better than that.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 11, 2018 11:23 AM (rIQuo)

54 36 Christianity is not here today because it did not fight back... if a faith is not worth defending, then it's only a superficial thing, after all... IMO.
Posted by: kraken at September 11, 2018 11:19 AM (ffWPP)

Concur, the modern interpretation of Christianity has become 'Nice' to the point of suicide.

Posted by: Don Q at September 11, 2018 11:24 AM (NgKpN)

55 Does anyone know of a good youtube documentary on 9/11 that is concise and factual and appropriate for young children?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 11, 2018 11:24 AM (7ZVPa)

56 Righteous rant, CBD!!

Also remember Benghazi on 9/11/12. Obama inexplicably decided to pick at that scab last Friday and then Twitter suspended the most vocal survivor (for him, I'm guessing).


More proof that the jihadis also never forget that date.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 11, 2018 11:24 AM (W+vEI)

57 I just saw the president speak at the Flight 93 Memorial.
Calm, subdued and respectful to the people on that flight, the families and those who have, and continue, to serve in the fight.

I wonder. Since President Trump always seems to be looking much further down the road, was Bolton's speech and the announcement that the ICC can EABOD, perhaps an indication that gloves may be coming off?
He does nothing thoughtlessly. The timing makes me bring out the new and improved tin foil hat.

Posted by: Winston at September 11, 2018 11:24 AM (wgCUV)

58 15 What kind of deterrent is killing people who view death as an improvement to their current situation?

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans



Brian has a point. So, here are some modest proposals for dealing with their dead:
1. Rendering plant, mixed in with pig guts, to become fertilizer.
2. Watertight body bags, to be filled with pig blood
3. Tie pork chops around their necks

Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 11, 2018 11:25 AM (ujg0T)

59 >>Does anyone know of a good youtube documentary on 9/11 that is concise and factual and appropriate for young children?



I don't. The "Flight 93" movie is good. Also, there's a graphic novel version of the 9/11 report (so, factual!).

Posted by: Lizzy at September 11, 2018 11:25 AM (W+vEI)

60 This date always makes me examine the things I would die for... three things, for me...

Posted by: kraken at September 11, 2018 11:26 AM (ffWPP)

61 I wonder. Since President Trump always seems to be looking much further down the road, was Bolton's speech and the announcement that the ICC can EABOD, perhaps an indication that gloves may be coming off?
He does nothing thoughtlessly. The timing makes me bring out the new and improved tin foil hat.

Posted by: Winston at September 11, 2018 11:24 AM (wgCUV)

If he starts a war with Iran, he's finished.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 11, 2018 11:26 AM (4ErVI)

62 CharlieBrown'sDildo

I was a mere Fleet Lieutenant (and Assistant Navigator - the fusible link in any grounding) when my ship docked in NYC for Fleet Week 1988.


I discussed how to weaponize Nevergiveup on this blog, a while back. He would be an excellent Admiral.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 11, 2018 11:26 AM (hyuyC)

63 >>Does anyone know of a good youtube documentary on 9/11 that is concise and factual and appropriate for young children?


Are you teaching a history class at a University?

Posted by: Roy at September 11, 2018 11:26 AM (Rr52g)

64 52 The Enemies here inside our borders are more dangerous than those outside, the rich and powerful enemies are far more dangerous than the weak and poor ones.

That's the group that needs to be eliminated first. All others will come easily after that, and taking out the others will do us no good at all as long as we leave our Enemies here untouched.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 11, 2018 11:23 AM (k1TUh)



Sooner or later, we will need another HUAC, with a non-alcoholic modern day Joe McCarthy naming names and blacklisting some people. And probably not just the usual Leftist suspects either.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 11, 2018 11:26 AM (ujg0T)

65 >>"And that I, as a Christian, was commanded to love them"

>>Absolutely. Each is an individual created in the image and likeness of God. It's our duty to pray that each find God's grace and forgiveness.



F that noise.

Kill them and help them find God's grace in His waiting room, on their way to burning in hell for all eternity.

Posted by: garrett at September 11, 2018 11:27 AM (Q5lAo)

66 If he starts a war with Iran, he's finished.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 11, 2018 11:26 AM (4ErVI)

He won't START a war with Iran.

Posted by: JoeF. at September 11, 2018 11:27 AM (NFEMn)

67 >>What kind of deterrent is killing people who view death as an improvement to their current situation?



Deterrent?
OK, provided your goal is deterrence in addition to just killing them before they try to kill you (see: Trump/Mattis on ISIS), bin Laden's own words about strong horse vs. weak horse best explain how it is a deterrence.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 11, 2018 11:27 AM (W+vEI)

68 Romeo13 Doctrine... which was the nick I went by years ago...


Bring the troops home, fortify the borders, build the damn Navy to where it should be (600 ships).


If someone attacks us or our assets, bomb the Holy living shit out of them. Destroy their economy. All Factories, dams, bridges, power plants... everything that makes them a modern country.

Then move in with a couple of Armored Divisions, and destroy the rest... THEN LEAVES.

If they want to act like Barbarians? very well, they can live without everything Western Civilization has given them.
Posted by: Don Q at September 11, 2018 11:21 AM (NgKpN)

I'm at this point as well. Tit for tat.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at September 11, 2018 11:27 AM (KUaJL)

69 17 years later and still waiting for the MFM hyped backlash

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 11, 2018 11:28 AM (OLCnA)

70 What kind of deterrent is killing people who view death as an improvement to their current situation?

It discourages and demoralizes the people who still want to live. Yes, each attack seems spectacular, but the terrorists have to really hunt for people still willing to blow themselves up, or they force people to blow themselves up.

Posted by: PJ at September 11, 2018 11:28 AM (qlTN9)

71 Some are appointed to wrath, and condemnation... I do not make the rules....

Posted by: kraken at September 11, 2018 11:28 AM (ffWPP)

72 Ratings: 'Miss America' Nosedives to All-Time Low - Yes, Counting the Years on Basic Cable

There she is, Miss Anti-America!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 11, 2018 11:28 AM (+y/Ru)

73 There are two sorts of cultures extant: Those with the temperment to do what needs doing, and those with the means.

And therein lies the problem.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at September 11, 2018 11:28 AM (AM1GF)

74 I'm a bad person for laughing at that video, but that is more or less how it went down.

I want people who don't believe in America as a shining city on a hill to get the fuck out. Posthaste. Go live in your preferred shithole.

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at September 11, 2018 11:29 AM (breGG)

75 "It is good to forgive our enemies. But only after they are dead."
-Heinrich Heine

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 11, 2018 11:29 AM (bcbK8)

76
When's the last time President Trump said "islamic terrorism?"


Posted by: Soothi at September 11, 2018 11:29 AM (16wrz)

77 I discussed how to weaponize Nevergiveup on this blog, a while back. He would be an excellent Admiral.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 11, 2018 11:26 AM (hyuyC)

LOL, not a snowball's chance in hell. I am at terminal rank and damn happy about that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 11, 2018 11:29 AM (9MKXa)

78 If he starts a war with Iran, he's finished.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 11, 2018 11:26 AM (4ErVI)



I concur.

People will wonder why fight them abroad whilst letting them immigrate to our shores.

While smacking Iran down when they obviously do something against the USA will be popular, another protracted attempt at "nation building" is too costly at this point, and not just economically either.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 11, 2018 11:29 AM (ujg0T)

79 65: garrett, agree completely.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 11, 2018 11:29 AM (KP5rU)

80 >>Does anyone know of a good youtube documentary on 9/11 that is concise and factual and appropriate for young children?



Also maybe check out National Geographic channel/videos, as they've likely produced a 1 or 2 hour show on 9/11 that would be minimally political*.

*Usually politics shows in who they interview, but it still may be tolerable.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 11, 2018 11:30 AM (W+vEI)

81 Admit it, you've been wondering "How do I write zero in Roman Numerals?"

It's easy, do it like this:

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 11, 2018 11:30 AM (ctuyM)

82 73 There are two sorts of cultures extant: Those with the temperment to do what needs doing, and those with the means.

And therein lies the problem.
Posted by: Brother Cavil at September 11, 2018 11:28 AM (AM1GF)

Yes... so many here want to go all European... a place that has lost its faith.

Posted by: kraken at September 11, 2018 11:30 AM (ffWPP)

83 If he starts a war with Iran, he's finished.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 11, 2018 11:26 AM (4ErVI)

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Point of Order.

Iran is already at war with us.

Alot of folks refuse to recognize to recognize that.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 11, 2018 11:30 AM (8XRCm)

84 What kind of deterrent is killing people who view death as an improvement to their current situation?

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans


Brian has a point. So, here are some modest proposals for dealing with their dead:
1. Rendering plant, mixed in with pig guts, to become fertilizer.
2. Watertight body bags, to be filled with pig blood
3. Tie pork chops around their necks

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Killing quickly and in large numbers tends to raise the deterrence effects. See Japan and theory of MAD.

Posted by: SH at September 11, 2018 11:30 AM (sX1BW)

85 I discussed how to weaponize Nevergiveup on this blog, a while back. He would be an excellent Admiral.
Posted by: NaCly Dog


Replace his nitrous oxide with cyanide?

Posted by: rickb223 at September 11, 2018 11:30 AM (rIQuo)

86 Don Q

The NaCly plan, discussed here and in other forums, is to knock out their electrical power generators. Eventually including portable generators. We have the technology, trained warriors, and force structure to do this.

A country without electricity in the 21st Century is mission-killed. 11th Century countries are not a threat to us.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 11, 2018 11:31 AM (hyuyC)

87 >>If he starts a war with Iran, he's finished.



The people of Iran have already started the war, and internal revolution, with Trump providing an assist with sanctions to further squeeze the mullahs.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 11, 2018 11:31 AM (W+vEI)

88 It was about this time of the morning, Milady and I headed to town, leaving the kids (teens) out at the ranch.

I can point to exactly where we were on the drive when I flipped on the radio, and someone said, "Rush is okay. He's at an airport in Florida." That was weird.

Then there was something about refineries in Mexico being shut down. I began to suspect something of a major scale had happened.

Then the newsjockey gave a full replay for those just tuning in.

"The World Trade Centers are gone."

We didn't yet have any more info than that, not even the how, but I knew right away. And I cursed them.

We turned around immediately to go back and inform our kids. I specifically said, this will be your Pearl Harbor. I've had no reason to change that dramatic assessment.

Posted by: mindful webworker - never forget at September 11, 2018 11:31 AM (Yf6eY)

89 He is right about the command to love them. He didn't say that we should roll over and die. Remember that God delivering the Hebrews into the hands of their enemies and near destruction was an act of love. Paul persecuted Christians before his conversion, it is salvation that is ultimately important. The martydom of the early Christians and how they treated their oppressors is worth serious study.

Posted by: Someguy at September 11, 2018 11:31 AM (iad8x)

90 >>>but as a reminder that we have the right and obligation to defend our national interests against all attacks, and to place the well-being of Americans above all others.

A critical mass of Americans may no longer have a survival instinct. It's been conditioned out of them. Their own children are slaughtered and they think it's OK if immigrants were the perps. I can't be optimistic until I see some sign that this trend is being reversed. I can't imagine the family of an Israeli victim of terrorism saying "this isn't an Islamic problem, it's a toxic masculinity problem". The US seems on the wrong course as far as developing a survival instinct. At this point I'm more optimistic about Israel's long term survival than ours.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at September 11, 2018 11:32 AM (/qEW2)

91 I agree. I don't see us going to war against Iran. Maybe more like was suggested above to increase the tempo of raids and air strikes. Or, with Mattis celebrating his birthday in Afghanistan, maybe a change in the ROE's to allow a more, "Robust", series of actions.
I for one, would be very happy to see all those nice poppy fields in the 'Stan get a healthy dose of Agent Orange or Round Up.
Stop the applications when they decide to grow food crops.

Posted by: Winston at September 11, 2018 11:32 AM (wgCUV)

92 65 >>"And that I, as a Christian, was commanded to love them"

>>Absolutely. Each is an individual created in the image and likeness of God. It's our duty to pray that each find God's grace and forgiveness.



F that noise.

Kill them and help them find God's grace in His waiting room, on their way to burning in hell for all eternity.
Posted by: garrett at September 11, 2018 11:27 AM (Q5lAo)

It's both scary and exciting to agree with garrett

This is why I don't call myself a Christian. (That and I'm still pissed off about the sex stuff)

I never could get on board with the 'turn the other cheek' crap. Mainly because my cheeks have too frequently been bruised.

I am pro-Christian. But it's no way to run a railroad.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 11, 2018 11:32 AM (bcbK8)

93 Killing quickly and in large numbers tends to raise the deterrence effects. See Japan and theory of MAD.
Posted by: SH at September 11, 2018 11:30 AM (sX1BW)



But do we HAVE the temperment today that would allow an Air Marshal Harris or a General LeMay to do their thing?

I have my doubts.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 11, 2018 11:32 AM (ujg0T)

94 That football thing is HYSTERICAL. OMG, I might've peed a little.

Posted by: Sponge at September 11, 2018 11:32 AM (F4u7C)

95 What kind of deterrent is killing people who view death as an improvement to their current situation?

--

Well, since they also view killing me as an improvement to my situation, I see it as a compromise.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at September 11, 2018 11:32 AM (KUaJL)

96 >>"And that I, as a Christian, was commanded to love them"



>>Absolutely. Each is an individual created in the image and
likeness of God. It's our duty to pray that each find God's grace and
forgiveness.







F that noise.



Kill them and help them find God's grace in His waiting room, on their way to burning in hell for all eternity.

Posted by: garrett at September 11, 2018 11:27 AM (Q5lAo)


Yup, kill'em all and let god sort them out.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at September 11, 2018 11:32 AM (9Om/r)

97 rickb223

Fear is a wonderful thing.

Let me see if I can find the text.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 11, 2018 11:32 AM (hyuyC)

98 South Carolina gonna get fvcked!

https://bit.ly/2O7t4U1

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 11, 2018 11:32 AM (+y/Ru)

99 ..."And that I, as a Christian, was commanded to love them"

***

.... in the quiet of his mind, while he gently applied pressure to the trigger, his heart swelled with love for his enemy, in the selfsame instant as the sear relased, the striker punched the primer, the powder combusted to superheated gas in less time than a single heartbeat.

Which was Achmed's last, as the bullet bisected his skull at over 3,000 fps, converting his last hateful thought of jihad into a fine, pink mist.

Having introduced Achmed to the Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, the sniper noiselessly slid back from the hide, and withdrew behind cover to rejoin his squad.


***


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 11, 2018 11:32 AM (QzJWU)

100 GWB should have rounded up every Moslem in America starting on 9/12 and tossed them all out of the country. And not allowed any more in. We wouldn't have needed the Surveillance State, no TSA, etc. But he figured he had to play nice with the Dems, I guess.

Imagine if DJT had been president in 2001 --!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 11, 2018 11:32 AM (/ZWeB)

101 I was a mere Fleet Lieutenant (and Assistant Navigator - the fusible link in any grounding) when my ship docked in NYC for Fleet Week 1988.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 11, 2018 11:26 AM


Well, apparently you made quite the impression on a certain lady during that time!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 11, 2018 11:33 AM (ctuyM)

102 83 If he starts a war with Iran, he's finished.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 11, 2018 11:26 AM (4ErVI)

----

Point of Order.

Iran is already at war with us.

Alot of folks refuse to recognize to recognize that.
Posted by: fixerupper

Iran has been at war with us since the 1983 Marine barracks bombing in Beirut

Posted by: wrg500 Manatee bounty hunter at September 11, 2018 11:33 AM (Bdeb0)

103 98 South Carolina gonna get fvcked!

https://bit.ly/2O7t4U1
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 11, 2018 11:32 AM (+y/Ru)

So is North Carolina and Virginia. Maybe worse with the flooding.

Posted by: Roy at September 11, 2018 11:34 AM (Rr52g)

104 91 I agree. I don't see us going to war against Iran. Maybe more like was suggested above to increase the tempo of raids and air strikes. Or, with Mattis celebrating his birthday in Afghanistan, maybe a change in the ROE's to allow a more, "Robust", series of actions.
I for one, would be very happy to see all those nice poppy fields in the 'Stan get a healthy dose of Agent Orange or Round Up.
Stop the applications when they decide to grow food crops.

Posted by: Winston at September 11, 2018 11:32 AM (wgCUV)

I think Trump is going to use economics to squeeze them so hard and in ways they haven't had to face before. It will result in a regime change by people inside Iran. The signs are already there that the situation inside the country is tenuous.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 11, 2018 11:34 AM (4ErVI)

105 I learned all I need to know about islam on 9/11/18.

Posted by: Chris M at September 11, 2018 11:34 AM (eAZVt)

106 Test?

There is something wrong with Pale Moon loading this page. Or my copy since last night. Other sites like eBay load fine.

It says going to and then it hangs. Make it https and it almost loads the page before hanging again.

So here am I using MicroSp0nge's browser.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 11, 2018 11:35 AM (gPuuk)

107 9/11/01. Duh!

Posted by: Chris M at September 11, 2018 11:35 AM (eAZVt)

108 >>It's both scary and exciting to agree with garrett


Tell me about it. That guy is an asshole.

Posted by: garrett at September 11, 2018 11:35 AM (Q5lAo)

109 Killing quickly and in large numbers tends to raise the deterrence effects. See Japan and theory of MAD.
Posted by: SH at September 11, 2018 11:30 AM (sX1BW)


But do we HAVE the temperment today that would allow an Air Marshal Harris or a General LeMay to do their thing?

I have my doubts.

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So do I. I'm just noting that there is an option that has not yet been fully explored (not recently anyway) that may produce better results on the old deterrence scale.

Posted by: SH at September 11, 2018 11:35 AM (sX1BW)

110 The people of Iran have already started the war, and internal revolution, with Trump providing an assist with sanctions to further squeeze the mullahs.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 11, 2018 11:31 AM (W+vEI)



Eight years ago, yes. But did the Obamunist let that be snuffed out?

If there is the Iranian equivalent of "Solidarnosc" today, by all means support it. But I suspect the Obamunist not only let that die on the vine, he *helped* the mullahs snuff it out.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 11, 2018 11:35 AM (ujg0T)

111 Here is the quote:

"*Muses*.

Putting Captain Nevergivup in command of a Navy SEAL / Interrogation task force should put the fear of God's Wrath on all US enemies.

"Send 'em in to the Captain."

Puts him in the chair.
Straps suspect in.

A lean, intense US Navy Captain, with an oak leaf replacing the star on his summer whites, (and no acorn on the leaf!) leans in and says, "I have ways of making you talk." The sound of a dull dental drill fills the room. The doomed suspect tries to focus on the Captain's dark hair, shot through with silver strands, but fails.

*Screams*

"I'll talk. I'll talk.
What do you want to know?"
Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 03, 2018 06:37 PM (hyuyC)"

Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 11, 2018 11:35 AM (hyuyC)

112 107 9/11/01. Duh!
Posted by: Chris M at September 11, 2018 11:35 AM (eAZVt)

Ironically, both dates are correct.....

Posted by: kraken at September 11, 2018 11:35 AM (ffWPP)

113 The difference: after Pearl Harbor, we didn't have mobs at airports howling "Let them in! Let them in!"

Or presidents telling us Japanese Imperialism is the Philosophy of Peace.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at September 11, 2018 11:36 AM (Ndje9)

114 Things like this are deeply troubling. I have difficulty sometimes reconciling "Love Thy Neighbor" with what happens when your neighbor wants you dead.

Perhaps the best we can say is, "We did love them. We gave them a chance and a choice. They chose poorly. We did what we had to and pray for forgiveness."

Posted by: Brother Cavil at September 11, 2018 11:36 AM (AM1GF)

115 The NaCly plan, discussed here and in other forums, is to knock out their electrical power generators. Eventually including portable generators. We have the technology, trained warriors, and force structure to do this."

I've long been suggesting that as the best way to deal with California.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 11, 2018 11:36 AM (k1TUh)

116 17 years later and still waiting for the MFM hyped backlash

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 11, 2018 11:28 AM (OLCnA)


Backlash my ass. These days, 9/11 "rememberances" go out of their way to include an imam, just to show off their inclusive credentials.

Islam should be proscribed.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 11, 2018 11:36 AM (kqsXK)

117 99 ..."And that I, as a Christian, was commanded to love them"

***

.... in the quiet of his mind, while he gently applied pressure to the trigger, his heart swelled with love for his enemy, in the selfsame instant as the sear relased, the striker punched the primer, the powder combusted to superheated gas in less time than a single heartbeat.

Which was Achmed's last, as the bullet bisected his skull at over 3,000 fps, converting his last hateful thought of jihad into a fine, pink mist.

Having introduced Achmed to the Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, the sniper noiselessly slid back from the hide, and withdrew behind cover to rejoin his squad.


***


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at September 11, 2018 11:32 AM (QzJWU)

*Sniff* *Sniff*

I love a happy ending to a story.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 11, 2018 11:36 AM (bcbK8)

118 102 83 If he starts a war with Iran, he's finished.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 11, 2018 11:26 AM (4ErVI)

----

Point of Order.

Iran is already at war with us.

Alot of folks refuse to recognize to recognize that.
Posted by: fixerupper

Iran has been at war with us since the 1983 Marine barracks bombing in Beirut
Posted by: wrg500 Manatee bounty hunter at September 11, 2018 11:33 AM (Bdeb0)

Earlier than that, back to 1979 when they seized our embassy and held our citizens hostage for 444 days.

Posted by: josephistan at September 11, 2018 11:37 AM (7HtZB)

119 100 GWB should have rounded up every Moslem in America starting on 9/12 and tossed them all out of the country. And not allowed any more in. We wouldn't have needed the Surveillance State, no TSA, etc. But he figured he had to play nice with the Dems, I guess.

Imagine if DJT had been president in 2001 --!
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 11, 2018 11:32 AM (/ZWeB)



It would be nice to see the Nation Of Islam and CAIR called up before a HUAC or Senate Committee.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 11, 2018 11:37 AM (ujg0T)

120 President Trump used those very words, "Radical Islamic Terrorism', this morning at the Flight 93 Memorial.
Soothi, he says it a lot. It's just ignored or downplayed or buried in the mass of things he says and does.

Posted by: Winston at September 11, 2018 11:37 AM (wgCUV)

121

Turn the other cheek doesnt mean let your enemies beat the shit out of you.

Luke says "If a man strikes your right cheek, offer him your left".

If I hit a man on the right cheek, Im backhanding him, treating him like an inferior, Im insulting him by using such a dismissive blow.

What Jesus meant by "offer him your left" is forcing him to treat you like an equal. Demand respect. Insist on engaging on equal footing.

It DOES NOT mean you have to be pussy and eat shit.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 11, 2018 11:37 AM (8XRCm)

122 The difference: after Pearl Harbor, we didn't have mobs at airports howling "Let them in! Let them in!"

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No back then, the left was locking up our own citizens.


Posted by: SH at September 11, 2018 11:37 AM (sX1BW)

123 Imagine if DJT had been president in 2001 --!

They'd have used it as an excuse to impeach him.

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at September 11, 2018 11:37 AM (xQfPr)

124 The coming battle against Google, Facebook and Amazon is going to be another tough Trump vs Goliath fight.

TuCa previews why this must happen (link goes to Conservative Treehouse, where the video is posted)
https://preview.tinyurl.com/yar75t3q

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Red wave building at September 11, 2018 11:38 AM (CaRQc)

125 Hate what is evil, cling to what is good.

I can deal with that rule.

Posted by: Roy at September 11, 2018 11:38 AM (Rr52g)

126 106 There is something wrong with Pale Moon loading this page. Or my copy since last night. Other sites like eBay load fine.

i had to give up on pale moon recently. my primary machine is a flea-powered tablet with a keyboard. pale moon got worse and worse with each update until it was finally unable to do anything.

Posted by: Anachronda at September 11, 2018 11:38 AM (xGZ+b)

127 108 >>It's both scary and exciting to agree with garrett


Tell me about it. That guy is an asshole.
Posted by: garrett at September 11, 2018 11:35 AM (Q5lAo)

Well he sure still has the bark still on him.
But he helps keep the blog from being a complete hugbox.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 11, 2018 11:39 AM (bcbK8)

128 Usually sacking an embassy is a reason for war.

Boxer Rebellion anyone?

But Jimmah muffed it like everything else. Too bad that rabbit did not sink its teeth into him.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 11, 2018 11:39 AM (gPuuk)

129 The NaCly plan, discussed here and in other forums, is to knock out their electrical power generators. Eventually including portable generators. We have the technology, trained warriors, and force structure to do this."

I've long been suggesting that as the best way to deal with California.

-----------

The CA legislature is one step ahead of you.

Posted by: SH at September 11, 2018 11:39 AM (sX1BW)

130 Where was I that day?

I was out of work and had been for about a month. So I'd used the time while job hunting to finish a mystery novel I'd been working on. I typed the words "The End," got up to get more coffee, turned on the TV . . . and saw the towers burning.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 11, 2018 11:40 AM (/ZWeB)

131 123 Imagine if DJT had been president in 2001 --!

They'd have used it as an excuse to impeach him.
Posted by: Laughing in Texas at September 11, 2018 11:37 AM (xQfPr)



Different times. I think too many of us did not understand how out of touch and pernicious the goo-goo-for-globalism types in the GOP were back then. I was still a faithful Wall Street Journal reader back then.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 11, 2018 11:40 AM (ujg0T)

132
But Jimmah muffed it like everything else.

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Islamic Fundamental Islamic Jihad

His fault. All of it. Evry bit of the jihad problem we have today INCLUDING 911 is that mans fault.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 11, 2018 11:40 AM (8XRCm)

133 Iran has been at war with us since the 1983 Marine barracks bombing in Beirut
Posted by: wrg500 Manatee bounty hunter


1979 Embassy hostage situation.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 11, 2018 11:40 AM (rIQuo)

134 Anachronda, Pale Moon was working earlier in the day. Just when I got home from work, nada. Running ver 28.0.1.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 11, 2018 11:41 AM (gPuuk)

135 From HuffPo, here's a headline for you:
Sweden Is What Happens When Liberals Let The Far-Right Set The Agenda

The article also says the nationalist party - the Sweden Democrats - has its "origins in the neo-Nazi movement."

This is the HuffPo, so I figured I'd go look for myself, as I don't follow Swedish politics all that closely (I know this is bupkiss for UKIP and AFD). It looks like it is sort of like National Front in France - it was a party with a whites-only plank, but they dropped it and moved on starting about 20 years ago. Some of the main platform planks:
- Tight immigration control, repudiation of multi-culturalism
- Anti-Euro (currency)
- Some "family values" conservative planks (or they would be called so here) surrounding adoption (no single people, no homosexuals) and families (don't take kids away from parents unless seriously justified)
- Climate-skeptical

So based on a cursory reading (no primary sources were involved, so a heap of salt is warranted), I would describe this is a "right" party - not a far-right party. Sounds like a party that would do well in several US states. The "far right" in Europe tend to be authoritarian fascists or royalists. This is still a democratic party platform from what I have briefly read. Looks like any conservative party are the Nazis, even "over there."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 11, 2018 11:41 AM (I2dne)

136 I'd be happy to run the detainee interviews

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 11, 2018 11:41 AM (9MKXa)

137 Iran started fighting us in Iraq in 2003.

A lot of roadside bombs/IEDs had Iranian fingerprints all over them.

Posted by: Sharkman at September 11, 2018 11:42 AM (FFJtw)

138 I'd be happy to run the detainee interviews

------------

You definitely have a certain skill set for the job.

Posted by: SH at September 11, 2018 11:42 AM (sX1BW)

139 While I wasn't in favor of the Iraq war I give credit to Bush for one strategic stroke of genius. Once we were done, we had troops and airpower on three sides of Iran. The time to ratchet up the pressure was right then, in 2009, but TFG screwed the pooch and refused to support the "Green Revolution" in Iran.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y7etnhxh

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Red wave building at September 11, 2018 11:42 AM (CaRQc)

140 Islam has been at war with us since the creation of Israel in 1947. Fuck Islam.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 11, 2018 11:42 AM (KP5rU)

141 If there is the Iranian equivalent of "Solidarnosc" today, by all means support it. But I suspect the Obamunist not only let that die on the vine, he *helped* the mullahs snuff it out."

Unsurprisingly, the Mullahs have been even more clueless, corrupt, and heavyhanded in dealing with their own country than our ruling class has been, here. So no, its not snuffed out, it's growing. From what I read, Iran today is much like 1967 America, but with a far more repressive and brutal government. But the Government's biggest problem is that they've blown all of the money they had, they don't have the ability to buy groups off anymore, and insurrection is in the air.

And even though we are all still angry at the Saudi's for being the source of the 9/11 plot, we still need them right now as the tip of the spear in all of our moves against Iran. To deal with this we've got to think like medieval warlords, yesterday's enemy can be today's ally, and then back again. But the Saudi's have finally gotten scared enough to start doing a lot of things that people thought impossible, like starting up a de-facto military alliance with Israel and cutting off their support for the Pali's.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 11, 2018 11:43 AM (k1TUh)

142 You definitely have a certain skill set for the job.
Posted by: SH at September 11, 2018 11:42 AM (sX1BW)

funny but my Admiral said the same thing

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 11, 2018 11:43 AM (9MKXa)

143 >>- Bring the troops home.
- Put Militray on our Borders.
- Build the Wall.

- Nuke Mecca and Medina

- zero immigration for a generation or 2

Posted by: garrett at September 11, 2018 11:14 AM (Q5lAo)


- Forcibly deport illegals, even if their countries don't want them.

- Deport everyone who was allowed to come through "chain migration".

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at September 11, 2018 11:43 AM (/qEW2)

144 But Jimmah muffed it like everything else.



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Islamic Fundamental Islamic Jihad



His fault. All of it. Evry bit of the jihad problem we have today INCLUDING 911 is that mans fault.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 11, 2018 11:40 AM (8XRCm)


Yup, THIS.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at September 11, 2018 11:43 AM (9Om/r)

145
Islam has been at war with us since the creation of Israel in 1947. Fuck Islam.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 11, 2018 11:42 AM (KP5rU)

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Da Fuq?!?!?!

Posted by: Charles The Hammer Martel at September 11, 2018 11:43 AM (8XRCm)

146 44 It took a week after the attacks but finally someone (The Onion) wrote something that made us laugh:

https://tinyurl.com/Hijackers-in-Gehenna

A true classic.
Posted by: Sharkman at September 11, 2018 11:21 AM (FF
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First time I remember laughing was at the e-mail chain going around "If you see this man, run like hell" with the guy on top of the tower with the plane behind him, then the Stay Puft marshmallow man, then a BART, then in the car with JFK, in the bus with Keanu, on the side of Mt St Helens etc...

Posted by: jhawk90 at September 11, 2018 11:43 AM (Xvo1a)

147 Nevergiveup, your terminal rank is understood. You being content is great.

However, I see the loss to the country and Western Civilization if your warrior ethos and sound reasoning is not harnessed for good.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 11, 2018 11:44 AM (hyuyC)

148 If god wants me to love my enemies then I'll love to see them dead. Best I can do. I prefer the "it's on like donkey Kong" doctrine.

Posted by: NCKate at September 11, 2018 11:44 AM (T5wXH)

149
Looks like any conservative party are the Nazis, even "over there."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)


He who writes the dictionary...

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 11, 2018 11:44 AM (IqV8l)

150 >>Eight years ago, yes. But did the Obamunist let that be snuffed out?


No, there's all kinds of stuff going on today, for the past few months. I don't follow it closely, but it's happening (such as the women publicly removing their hijabs, market protests). This guy
covers it on twitter:

https://twitter.com/HeshmatAlavi


One other thing I think Trump and Mattis did was encourage Israel to strike Iranian-backed Syrian rebel (IIRC), after Obama kneecapped Israel for 8 years as well as set up a "deal" in which the US was to protect Iran.

Trump is doing stuff to Iran in all sorts of ways outside of getting into a war with them to topple the regime.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 11, 2018 11:44 AM (W+vEI)

151 As an apologist I like puts it, Jesus did not say "Blessed are the doormats." It's wrong to read Christianity otherwise.

On the Florence front, both my college kids coming home now and bringing refugees with them. Going to be a noisy weekend.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llamabutcher at September 11, 2018 11:44 AM (Gz1fw)

152 What kind of deterrent is killing people who view death as an improvement to their current situation?
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 11, 2018 11:10 AM (CQ3Qb)

In the West, our rulers try to push the narrative that whatever you want to be, you are. If you are male and identify as female, we should pay for your surgery to become pseudo-female. So, let's just take it a step further. Jihadists want to be dead. Who are we to deny them the outcome they desire? And we can pay people to help them on their way, too.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at September 11, 2018 11:44 AM (9BLnV)

153 France on Tuesday said the International Criminal Court should be able to do its work without hindrance, a day after the United States threatened sanctions if the tribunal investigated US activities in Afghanistan.

Well at least the fuckin frogs are consisitant

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 11, 2018 11:45 AM (9MKXa)

154 Here's a link to the PBS Frontline documentary "The Man Who Knew". It's about FBI agent John Oneill, who was obsessed w/ OBL long before 9/11. It's an absolutely freaky show, w/an shocking twist at the end. Worth every second:
https://tinyurl.com/y8bmgyqn

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at September 11, 2018 11:45 AM (ty7RM)

155 Islamic Fundamental Islamic Jihad

His fault. All of it. Evry bit of the jihad problem we have today INCLUDING 911 is that mans fault.
Posted by: fixerupper at September 11, 2018 11:40 AM (8XRCm)



As disgusting as Jimmah Carturd was/is, I think Islamic Fundamentalism became more prevalent simply because Nasserism and other Leftist approaches in the Muslim World fell apart.

Before the Islamic World was jihadist, it was full of secular Leftist nationalists who earned their laurels throwing the colonialist powers out, but then proved incapable of running their countries.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 11, 2018 11:45 AM (ujg0T)

156 France on Tuesday said the International Criminal Court should be able to do its work without hindrance, a day after the United States threatened sanctions if the tribunal investigated US activities in Afghanistan.

Well at least the fuckin frogs are consisitant

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So should Germany.

Posted by: SH at September 11, 2018 11:45 AM (sX1BW)

157 Islam has been at war with the world ever since the first goat-humping sand savage yelled "Allahu Ackbar!"

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 11, 2018 11:45 AM (gPuuk)

158 147 Nevergiveup, your terminal rank is understood. You being content is great.

However, I see the loss to the country and Western Civilization if your warrior ethos and sound reasoning is not harnessed for good.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 11, 2018 11:44 AM (hyuyC)


Hey!!! Those cavities aren't gonna fill themselves!!!

Posted by: kraken at September 11, 2018 11:45 AM (ffWPP)

159 "- Bring the troops home.

- Put Militray on our Borders.

- Build the Wall.

- zero immigration for a generation or 2

These are in our national interest not wasting blood and treasure
playing world police acting as cannon fodder for the intrtests of other
countries.
It's been 17 years... Just sayin.Posted by: your neighbor

not counting the troops in Germany ... for them "it's been seventy years". Or South Korea, Japan.

We can keep our international presence, maybe downsize the bases, but upgrade our capabilities. Most war now is PsyOp and economics. We can get the Greens to win in Iran if we get Europe to stop trading with them till they change. That makes more sense than war ... if NATO is really our ally.

Same goes for playing hardball with China and Mexico ... but China is the one we may need to divorce completely, since they are communist and building an army, with our trade deficit money.

The war is internal, and globalism and their "Strength thru Diversity" motto is a lie of the enemy.

We must decide we want to defend our own borders and stop replacing our own citizenry with foreigners. That is the clarion call of 9/11, more than the call to go fight more wars.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 11, 2018 11:45 AM (Cus5s)

160 157: yup. to believe otherwise is a fallacy.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 11, 2018 11:46 AM (KP5rU)

161 Imagine if DJT had been president in 2001 --!

They'd have used it as an excuse to impeach him.
Posted by: Laughing in Texas at September 11, 2018 11:37 AM (xQfPr)

Trump could have cancelled Christmas on 9/11/01 and he'd have gotten away with it.

One thing is CERTAIN, he'd have kept the anger on slow boil. To me that was the key. As soon as the MSM said they would stop showing footage "because it made people uncomfortable', we began to lose....

Posted by: JoeF. at September 11, 2018 11:46 AM (NFEMn)

162 However, I see the loss to the country and Western Civilization if your warrior ethos and sound reasoning is not harnessed for good.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 11, 2018 11:44 AM (hyuyC)

Well I headed down to Virginia in a little over an hour to watch over my Sailors on deployment

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 11, 2018 11:46 AM (9MKXa)

163 France on Tuesday said the International Criminal Court should be able to do its work without hindrance, a day after the United States threatened sanctions if the tribunal investigated US activities in Afghanistan.

Well at least the fuckin frogs are consisitant

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So should Germany.

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Ok - I'm limiting that joke just to France.

Posted by: SH at September 11, 2018 11:46 AM (sX1BW)

164 Islam has been at war with us since the creation of Israel in 1947. Fuck Islam.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 11, 2018 11:42 AM (KP5rU)


islham has been at war with everything since it's inception. Period. Even within itself, it's at war. It's an uncontrollable death cult that must be eradicated. Period.

Posted by: Sponge at September 11, 2018 11:47 AM (F4u7C)

165 >>Here's a link to the PBS Frontline documentary "The Man Who Knew". It's about FBI agent John Oneill, who was obsessed w/ OBL long before 9/11. It's an absolutely freaky show, w/an shocking twist at the end. Worth every second:
https://tinyurl.com/y8bmgyqn


Thanks!!

Posted by: Lizzy at September 11, 2018 11:47 AM (W+vEI)

166 An article in the New Yorker about Rick Rescorla who was killed on 9/11.
Long read, but worth it.

https://tinyurl.com/yajf9qam

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 11, 2018 11:47 AM (jxbfJ)

167 OT, reposted from ONT:

So, it turns out Bill Kristol has been an out-and-proud Deep State throne-sniffer the entire time...

I found this quote in a 1996! WaPo article:

"Someone needs to stand up and defend the Establishment. In the last couple of weeks, there's been too much pseudo-populism, almost too much concern and attention for, quote, the people -- that is, the people's will, their prejudices and their foolish opinions. And in a certain sense, we're all paying the price for that now. After all, we conservatives are on the side of the lords and barons...

...there will always be an Establishment in a system like ours. The task is to make it a decent Establishment, and not just pretend that the voice of the people is always right. We at the Weekly Standard are pulling up the drawbridge against the peasants. I may need to get myself pitchfork insurance."

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 11, 2018 11:48 AM (a130K)

168 CBD

Very well said in the rant.

And Schlichter is wunnerful.

I thought it was a useful reminder of what we're up against that about 10 days ago, there was a controversy concerning Seattle's SeaFest-- as to whether the Navy's Blue Angels should be disinvited, because war... you know... harmful to children, etc.

What if they gave a war and nobody showed up? What if they gave a war, and the other side showed up and we didn't? 9/11.

Posted by: strawdog at September 11, 2018 11:48 AM (Cssks)

169 133
Iran has been at war with us since the 1983 Marine barracks bombing in Beirut

Posted by: wrg500 Manatee bounty hunter





1979 Embassy hostage situation.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 11, 2018

*
*
And Islam in general has been at war with the West in general since, what, 700 AD? Too long to let an enemy crawl around behind our backs and skulk in our bushes. Time to do something savage to them. It's as hard to realize that we didn't turn Mecca into a glass parking lot, as it is to realize that we made it to the Moon, more than once, didn't lose a single astronaut on the flights -- and then turned our collective back on space exploration and exploitation.

The BernieBro in my writing group, age 72 (!) and a Vietnam vet (!!), still thinks wind and solar power can supplant oil, coal, and especially nuclear. I point out that, if America hadn't chosen to create and maintain its Welfare State for the last 50 and more years, we might have been able to fund research into those and might be able to use them as solid backups, and might have discovered some other technology that's cleaner. He doesn't listen. "We're killing the planet, man!" "How come forests have increased by almost 10% since 1982, then?" "You're brainwashed, man, the New York Times hasn't said anything about that!"

So I pretty much avoid such topics with him.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 11, 2018 11:48 AM (/ZWeB)

170 Nevergiveup

Have a safe drive, Sir. And may our sailors thrive.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 11, 2018 11:48 AM (hyuyC)

171 164: you are right. i stand corrected.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 11, 2018 11:48 AM (KP5rU)

172 Before the Islamic World was jihadist, it was full of secular Leftist nationalists who earned their laurels throwing the colonialist powers out, but then proved incapable of running their countries.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 11, 2018 11:45 AM (ujg0T)

True, but remember , the Mullahs got support from the Iranian commies and Left in taking down the Shah.

They were dispensed with quickly once the fundamentalists were in charge.

Posted by: JoeF. at September 11, 2018 11:49 AM (NFEMn)

173 "Hill heard him break into song:

Men of Cornwall stop your dreaming;

Can't you see their spearpoints gleaming?

See their warriors' pennants streaming

To this battlefield.

Men of Cornwall stand ye steady;

It cannot be ever said ye

for the battle were not ready;

Stand and never yield!

Rescorla came back on the phone. "Pack a bag and get up here," he said. "You can be my consultant again." He added that the Port Authority was telling him not to evacuate and to order people to stay at their desks."




From another article, the freakin new yorker no less.
2002 was a different time.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/yajf9qam

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at September 11, 2018 11:49 AM (58Au8)

174 Islam has been at war with us ( Western civilization) since AD 634. With the first attack on the Byzantine Empire

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 11, 2018 11:49 AM (OLCnA)

175 157 Islam has been at war with the world ever since the first goat-humping sand savage yelled "Allahu Ackbar!"
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 11, 2018 11:45 AM (gPuuk)


Islam was birthed as an act of war.

Posted by: Northernlurker, but call me Teem at September 11, 2018 11:50 AM (nBr1j)

176 We won't win a war against Islam until we fight the war in the United States first.

Posted by: ScoggDog at September 11, 2018 11:50 AM (fiGNd)

177 Well I headed down to Virginia in a little over an hour to watch over my Sailors on deployment
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 11, 2018 11:46 AM


Launching the Captain's Gig, eh?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 11, 2018 11:50 AM (ctuyM)

178 Islam has been at war with us since the creation of Israel in 1947. Fuck Islam.

Posted by: chavez the hugo


Ahem:

...to the shores of Tripoli.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at September 11, 2018 11:50 AM (AM1GF)

179 The BernieBro in my writing group, age 72 (!) and a Vietnam vet (!!), still thinks wind and solar power can supplant oil, coal, and especially nuclear. I point out that, if America hadn't chosen to create and maintain its Welfare State for the last 50 and more years, we might have been able to fund research into those and might be able to use them as solid backups, and might have discovered some other technology that's cleaner. He doesn't listen. "We're killing the planet, man!" "How come forests have increased by almost 10% since 1982, then?" "You're brainwashed, man, the New York Times hasn't said anything about that!"

So I pretty much avoid such topics with him.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 11, 2018 11:48 AM (/ZWeB)



Even as a child, I learned the eco-fiends were full of it when they opposed the one absolutely proven cheap, clean and renewable source of energy--hydropower--with nearly as much intensity as they opposed atomic power plants.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 11, 2018 11:50 AM (ujg0T)

180 >>Well I headed down to Virginia in a little over an hour to watch over my Sailors on deployment


Rinse!

Posted by: garrett at September 11, 2018 11:51 AM (Q5lAo)

181 130 Where was I that day?

I was out of work and had been for about a month. So I'd used the time while job hunting to finish a mystery novel I'd been working on. I typed the words "The End," got up to get more coffee, turned on the TV . . . and saw the towers burning.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 11, 2018 11:40 AM (/ZWeB)

I wonder if we'll have a Where Were You thread later. I'll just repeat it if so.

I was at the university that day. I had two classes to go to that day and made sure I showed up because I'd skipped one of them the previous week so I couldn't risk doing it again. I always got there early and then went to the library to read before class started. Since I got there early and immediately went to an isolated area of the library, I had no idea what was going on. Only when I went to class did I hear about it. There was a kid with headphones and a portable radio/cd player (I assume this was before the doodads we've got today), and he said there's been some sort of an attack. Other people coming in later said one of the WTC towers had come down. Fuck. In retrospect I should've just left but again I skipped a class the previous week and didn't want to risk getting in real trouble so I sat the whole thing out. By the time I got to the car, every radio station was covering it. I suspected it was a big deal, but only when I heard all the stations covering did I really realize this was something unprecedented.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 11, 2018 11:51 AM (4ErVI)

182 chavez the hugo

Islamic raiders plundered the outskirts of the city of Rome, sacking the basilicas of Old St Peter's and St Paul's-Outside-the-Walls, but were prevented from entering the city itself by the Aurelian Wall. In 846 AD!

It has been a long war against Islam.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 11, 2018 11:51 AM (hyuyC)

183 We won't win a war against Islam until we fight the war in the United States first.
Posted by: ScoggDog at September 11, 2018 11:50 AM (fiGNd)


Well, how are they going to replace you if you fight back? That's not the mindset you're supposed to have, silly.

Posted by: Sponge at September 11, 2018 11:51 AM (F4u7C)

184 I believe 2400? died in pearl harbor and of course many more to fight that ideology. yet 9-11 is to be forgotten and to argue Islam has srs issues with the continuing theme of murder terror and mayhem is something WE are supposed to apologize for.

Posted by: willow at September 11, 2018 11:51 AM (dPd5y)

185 Islam has been at war with us ( Western civilization) since AD 634. With the first attack on the Byzantine Empire
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 11, 2018 11:49 AM (OLCnA)

Too bad the Romans couldn't have stuck it out a couple hundred years more. The collapse of their empire created a void that Islam was able to fill.

Posted by: JoeF. at September 11, 2018 11:51 AM (NFEMn)

186 40 Wall Street actually was the second-tallest building in downtown Manhattan, and it was actually, before the World Trade Center, was the tallest - and then, when they built the World Trade Center, it became known as the second-tallest. And now it's the tallest.

Posted by: David Dennison on 9/11/2001 at September 11, 2018 11:52 AM (fnkuB)

187 The images from 9/11 are too upsetting for me to look at. I can't watch any of the shows about it. I already know what I want done to the moslems. I don't need any more convincing.

Posted by: Chris M at September 11, 2018 11:52 AM (eAZVt)

188 178 Islam has been at war with us since the creation of Israel in 1947. Fuck Islam.

Posted by: chavez the hugo

Ahem:

...to the shores of Tripoli.
Posted by: Brother Cavil at September 11, 2018 11:50 AM (AM1GF)


Islam's founder was a Warlord who took Christians as slaves.


Its been at War with us since it began.

Posted by: Don Q at September 11, 2018 11:53 AM (NgKpN)

189 Too bad the Romans couldn't have stuck it out a couple hundred years more. The collapse of their empire created a void that Islam was able to fill.

Posted by: JoeF. at September 11, 2018 11:51 AM (NFEMn)

They ran into a lot of problems invading Mesopotamia.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 11, 2018 11:53 AM (4ErVI)

190 The war is internal, and globalism and their "Strength thru Diversity" motto is a lie of the enemy.

We must decide we want to defend our own borders and stop replacing our own citizenry with foreigners. That is the clarion call of 9/11, more than the call to go fight more wars.
Posted by: illiniwek at September 11, 2018 11:45 AM (Cus5s)



Bingo.

I dare say much of the opposition to the War in Iraq was caused by the Bushyrovies still pushing mass immigration--much of it from that very part of the world--at the same time.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 11, 2018 11:53 AM (ujg0T)

191 Rick Rescorla's biography is called Heart of a Soldier by James B. Stewart.

One time in Vietnam, Rick and Hill stumbled across some NVA holding a meeting. Rick went all British and before the shocked communists could react, him and Hill ran for their lives.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 11, 2018 11:53 AM (gPuuk)

192 The images from 9/11 are too upsetting for me to look at. I can't watch any of the shows about it. I already know what I want done to the moslems. I don't need any more convincing.
Posted by: Chris M at September 11, 2018 11:52 AM (eAZVt)


Agreed.

I hate today. Today sucks. I feel depressed today more than any other day, ever.

I will never forget that day. Ever.

Posted by: Sponge at September 11, 2018 11:53 AM (F4u7C)

193 85 I never could get on board with the 'turn the other cheek' crap. Mainly because my cheeks have too frequently been bruised.

I am pro-Christian. But it's no way to run a railroad.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 11, 2018 11:32 AM (bcbK

Well, I'm not trying to convert you, but it's not about turning the other cheek. It's about hatred vs. love. Someone quoted Lewis (Chesterton?) here the other night, about hating someone being like taking poison to make them sick.

Justified violence is not prohibited by Christians. If you have no choice but to die at the hands of your enemies (and no I'm not asking for the priviledge), it's better nonetheless to die bearing witness, praying for them and for yourself.

But that's nothing about not defending yourself to the utmost, or destroying those who are trying to destroy you.

So yes, Jim (99), what's the problem with loving and saying a prayer for the guy in your sights?

God loves them, and wishes me to do the same, or so I've been told and so I believe.

Posted by: The Thumbs of Opposition at September 11, 2018 11:53 AM (O74hG)

194 It's a good thing I'm not president ... if I was president on 9/11 I would have bombed enough places to make radicals morn the anniversary.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 11, 2018 11:53 AM (rnAwa)

195 I cannot stop laughing at the football video.

Posted by: Picric at September 11, 2018 11:54 AM (fvf2N)

196 Oderint dum metuant

hey Jim: does that sniper rifle have a bayonet lug?

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 11, 2018 11:54 AM (rjbMC)

197 They ran into a lot of problems invading Mesopotamia.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 11, 2018 11:53 AM (4ErVI)

Sounds familiar

Posted by: JoeF. at September 11, 2018 11:54 AM (NFEMn)

198 anyway the point isn;'t to minimize either, The point is Since pearl harbor Americans have been taken over by those who would sell us out piecemeal for something as simple as cash, in pension form or just lining their pockets , Yet both were moral screws , one from the enemy outside one from within ( to give up) and allow our degradation.

Posted by: willow at September 11, 2018 11:54 AM (dPd5y)

199 Why are there still poppy fields in Afghanistan? Why are there still mountains with caves and passages still around?

Eradicate the poppy fields and flatten the mountains! And don't tell me we don't have the resources. Fifteen plus years of waging a war far exceeds the amount necessary to do these things.

Unconditional surrender.

Posted by: Concerned People's Front at September 11, 2018 11:54 AM (v1udk)

200 #185. The problem was the Byzantines and Persians had just finished a long and bloody war. Both empires were exhausted when the goat fuckers struck

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 11, 2018 11:54 AM (OLCnA)

201 The images from 9/11 are too upsetting for me to look at. I can't watch any of the shows about it. I already know what I want done to the moslems. I don't need any more convincing.

Posted by: Chris M at September 11, 2018 11:52 AM (eAZVt)


Watch 'em anyway.

Hate is like a fire ... you gotta' feed that shit.

And here's the thing ... contrary to the "Everything is AWESOME - Everything is COOL" Brigade ...

... you need Hate. You lose your Hate - and you're pretty much fucked by the next guy to come along that ain't lost his.

Hate is Good. One of the best Tools in the Emotional Box.

Posted by: ScoggDog at September 11, 2018 11:55 AM (fiGNd)

202 I was in Crystal City, a mile from the Pentagon, that day. I have left my story here and other placed a time or two. I posted a note on how 9/11 changed my life in last night's ONT.

Unforgettable.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 11, 2018 11:55 AM (hyuyC)

203 I know somewhere the original video showing a middle school kid clobbered by who knows, but slap a Hillary and Trump pictures on them and I a laughing my head off and hitting replay.

Posted by: Picric at September 11, 2018 11:56 AM (fvf2N)

204 The Byzantine Empire fought the good fight, for a thousand years, preserving Christianity and the West from annihilation by the Moslems, and other hordes. Without their fight, and tenacity, there would be no Christianity, or Western world, today.
I have no patience with Western timidity, or cowardly Christians.

Posted by: kraken at September 11, 2018 11:56 AM (ffWPP)

205 Let me drop this here with a box of tissues.

http://www.tomburnettfoundation.org/

Posted by: wrg500 Manatee bounty hunter at September 11, 2018 11:56 AM (Bdeb0)

206 Yeah that video, "well bless Hillary's potato heart."

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 11, 2018 11:56 AM (gPuuk)

207 Islam needs no excuse to start shit. I'm not a history major. The muzzie/Israel situation is the one I remember most. Didn't Achmadinnerjacket vow to drive Israel into the sea?

Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 11, 2018 11:56 AM (KP5rU)

208 What I am about to write, I and deadly serious about: War is hell. The quicker we kill every man, women and child of Islam and deliver them to hell, the quicker we can end this war and save American lives in the process. This war is a crusade, our enemies understand that; it is way past the time where we should understand it also.

If some here don't agree, tough. It is a fact.

Posted by: Archer at September 11, 2018 11:57 AM (gmo/4)

209 Too bad the Romans couldn't have stuck it out a couple hundred years more. The collapse of their empire created a void that Islam was able to fill.

Posted by: JoeF.


If Byzantium and Persia had not gotten into catastrophic warfare over and over, they would not have been weakened enough for the Arabs to sweep in and destroy them.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at September 11, 2018 11:57 AM (AM1GF)

210 It's as hard to realize that we didn't turn Mecca into a glass parking lot, as it is to realize that we made it to the Moon, more than once, didn't lose a single astronaut on the flights -- and then turned our collective back on space exploration and exploitation.

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In the early 15th Century, China assembled the largest fleet in the world, and sent several exploring & trade missions across the Pacific and Indian oceans, and then just stopped and withdrew internally and became stagnant for centuries.

Posted by: josephistan at September 11, 2018 11:58 AM (7HtZB)

211 And too bad Venice hired out the 4th Crusade to sack Constantinople.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 11, 2018 11:59 AM (gPuuk)

212 I'm a Christian. Let's just say I'm out of cheeks. That shit don't work. Time for the jawbone of an ass.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 11, 2018 11:59 AM (KP5rU)

213
We won't win a war against Islam until we fight the war in the United States first.

Posted by: ScoggDog at September 11, 2018 11:50 AM (fiGNd)


Much truth in that.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at September 11, 2018 11:59 AM (9Om/r)

214 194 It's a good thing I'm not president ... if I was president on 9/11 I would have bombed enough places to make radicals morn the anniversary.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 11, 2018 11:53 AM (rnAwa)


Hmmm.... seems I need to add to the Romeo13 doctrine..


On Sept 11 of every year, we should bomb the shit out of the biggest Jihadi group... no matter where they are. No matter how deep the hole.

We should make them FEAR 9/11.

Posted by: Don Q at September 11, 2018 11:59 AM (NgKpN)

215 "Hate is Good. One of the best Tools in the Emotional Box."

I have a decent supply of hate! There is so much evil in the world that deserves it. It does get exhausting, though.

Posted by: Chris M at September 11, 2018 11:59 AM (eAZVt)

216 The Byzantine Empire fought the good fight, for a thousand years, preserving Christianity and the West from annihilation by the Moslems, and other hordes. Without their fight, and tenacity, there would be no Christianity, or Western world, today.
I have no patience with Western timidity, or cowardly Christians.
Posted by: kraken at September 11, 2018 11:56 AM (ffWPP)

But in the West, you have to give credit to the Christians who defeated the Moslems at Tours (or was it Poitiers?) in 700, the Spanish who took back Spain and the Normans who reconquered Sicily. Lots of Europe was on it's way to going Islamic.
Thank God for the Crusades.

Posted by: JoeF. at September 11, 2018 11:59 AM (NFEMn)

217 204 The Byzantine Empire fought the good fight, for a thousand years, preserving Christianity and the West from annihilation by the Moslems, and other hordes. Without their fight, and tenacity, there would be no Christianity, or Western world, today.
I have no patience with Western timidity, or cowardly Christians.
Posted by: kraken at September 11, 2018 11:56 AM (ffWPP)



Two lessons from the Byzantine Empire:
1. Christendom was not united, even then. Fourth Crusade and the Lombards, anyone?
2. The Byzantine Empire was too statist. Wage and Price Controls? Bureaucracy that did little? They had those, even back then.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 11, 2018 12:00 PM (ujg0T)

218 Well, I'm not trying to convert you, but it's not about turning the other cheek. It's about hatred vs. love. Someone quoted Lewis (Chesterton?) here the other night, about hating someone being like taking poison to make them sick.

* * *

I think this is essentially right. Love and forgiveness are for the sake of the person doing the loving and forgiving as much or more than the loved or forgiven. Ever meet someone with a chip on his shoulder or who is genuinely angry at the world? They're poisoning themselves. We love and forgive so that we can be at peace and experience joy in our own lives when it shows up.

Nothing about that is incompatible with self-defense. You can need to shoot a man; relishing shooting the man is the problem.

Posted by: bear with assymetrical balls at September 11, 2018 12:00 PM (iys0/)

219 We won't win a war against Islam until we fight the war in the United States first.
Posted by: ScoggDog at September 11, 2018 11:50 AM (fiGNd)

Much truth in that.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at September 11, 2018 11:59 AM (9Om/r)


I remain puzzled at why I don't get invited to more parties.

Posted by: ScoggDog at September 11, 2018 12:00 PM (fiGNd)

220 214 194 It's a good thing I'm not president ... if I was president on 9/11 I would have bombed enough places to make radicals morn the anniversary.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 11, 2018 11:53 AM (rnAwa)


Hmmm.... seems I need to add to the Romeo13 doctrine..


On Sept 11 of every year, we should bomb the shit out of the biggest Jihadi group... no matter where they are. No matter how deep the hole.

We should make them FEAR 9/11.
Posted by: Don Q at September 11, 2018 11:59 AM (NgKpN)

Endorsed

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 11, 2018 12:00 PM (bcbK8)

221 Mark, in the early days after 9-11 I had met a Christian that srsly thought he would never pick up arms , even after an attack, because somehow G-d would deal with it. and I tried to explain how many times G-d said to go and strike your enemy and totally destroy them as otherwise one would carry the enemies g-d into the abyss with them, by picking up Their ideals -idols. I when arguing would think You/me sound nuts , Because I realized how angry I was but now..

instead we had some of those enemies put into positions of great power in our govt and education institutes, and the rest were allowed to pay our leaders off.

Posted by: willow at September 11, 2018 12:01 PM (dPd5y)

222 Hold your ground! Hold your ground!

Sons of Gondor, of Rohan, my brothers,

I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me.

A day may come when the courage of men fails,

when we forsake our friends

and break all bonds of fellowship,

but it is not this day.

An hour of wolves and shattered shields,

when the age of men comes crashing down,

but it is not this day!

This day we fight!!

By all that you hold dear on this good Earth,

I bid you stand, Men of the West!

- Return of The King

Posted by: josephistan at September 11, 2018 12:01 PM (7HtZB)

223 On Sept 11 of every year, we should bomb the shit out of the biggest Jihadi group... no matter where they are. No matter how deep the hole.

We should make them FEAR 9/11.
Posted by: Don Q at September 11, 2018 11:59 AM (NgKpN)


We can start with antifa.

Posted by: Sponge at September 11, 2018 12:01 PM (F4u7C)

224 With that doctrine, we would be bombing Tehran every Sept 11th.

Totes cool.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 11, 2018 12:01 PM (gPuuk)

225 >>>Posted by: Cato by Phone at September 11, 2018 11:16 AM (J+mig)

Awesome summary. There are a lot of misconceptions and imbalances the left likes to push about certain texts.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at September 11, 2018 12:01 PM (/qEW2)

226 >>On Sept 11 of every year, we should bomb the shit out of the biggest Jihadi group... no matter where they are. No matter how deep the hole.

We should make them FEAR 9/11.





THIS

Posted by: Lizzy at September 11, 2018 12:01 PM (W+vEI)

227 "Hate is Good. One of the best Tools in the Emotional Box."

When the English began to hate.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beginnings

Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 11, 2018 12:02 PM (ujg0T)

228 to turn the other cheek when an overwhelming threat exists is evil.

what about those innocents that will be hurt by not protecting them?

Posted by: willow at September 11, 2018 12:02 PM (dPd5y)

229 Two lessons from the Byzantine Empire:
1. Christendom was not united, even then. Fourth Crusade and the Lombards, anyone?
2. The Byzantine Empire was too statist. Wage and Price Controls? Bureaucracy that did little? They had those, even back then.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 11, 2018 12:00 PM (ujg0T)

It didn't help when Luther said he'd rather be ruled by a Turk than the Pope....

Posted by: JoeF. at September 11, 2018 12:02 PM (NFEMn)

230 This is a depressing day.
The Left has allowed Islam to win


Well at least we have shit canned that Mosque at Ground Zero

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 11, 2018 12:03 PM (9MKXa)

231 I have a decent supply of hate! There is so much evil in the world that deserves it. It does get exhausting, though.

Posted by: Chris M at September 11, 2018 11:59 AM (eAZVt)


You need to work on your Hate Stamina.

High Reps, Low Intensity is the key. Carry just a small amount of Hate, all day long. Then build up from there.

Part of your problem is your Emotional Complexity. Not everyone is lucky enough to be a High Functioning Mild to Moderate Sociopath.

I make no apologies for simply being born better.

Posted by: ScoggDog at September 11, 2018 12:03 PM (fiGNd)

232 I know some of the Horde are having difficulty with this day. With watching the 9/11 tributes, seeing the horror over and over again. It is hard to watch. It hurts. It invokes very raw emotions - sorrow, and hate. And I see nothing wrong with those. But I am forcing myself to see these images today, the video, audio, the articles. I want to force myself to remember. I want to read about those we lost that day. The innocent victims of Radical Islam. I don't want to forget them, this day, and who did this to us.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 11, 2018 12:04 PM (jxbfJ)

233
It didn't help when Luther said he'd rather be ruled by a Turk than the Pope....
Posted by: JoeF. at September 11, 2018 12:02 PM (NFEMn)


LUTHER!!! That door looked like it hurt when you slammed into it.

Posted by: Reggie Hammond at September 11, 2018 12:04 PM (F4u7C)

234 "Hate is Good. One of the best Tools in the Emotional Box."



Hate is what warms that black chunk of charcoal that was once my heart.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 11, 2018 12:04 PM (rIQuo)

235 Mark, in the early days after 9-11 I had met a Christian that srsly thought he would never pick up arms , even after an attack, because somehow G-d would deal with it."

G-d didn't send an angel to end the slaughter at Dachau, he sent the US 7th Army, 45th Infantry Division to do it. If men do not step up and do what it is within their power to do, then it does not happen, and Piety easily becomes just an excuse for Cowardice, both physical and moral.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 11, 2018 12:04 PM (k1TUh)

236 Ye shall not see my strikers; ye shall hear them and guess,
By night, before the moon-rise, I will come for my cess,
And the wolf shall be your herdsman
By a landmark removed;
For the Karela, the bitter Karela,
Shall seed where ye loved!

(Kipling, of course. The bits about not paying the Danegeld and the Gods of the Copybook Headings also apply, but when I think of vengeance, I think of Mowgli letting in the Jungle.)

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at September 11, 2018 12:04 PM (breGG)

237 nevergiveup , yes the first Big Lie, interfaith dialogues.. as if that was the purpose.

Posted by: willow at September 11, 2018 12:05 PM (dPd5y)

238 The current was with Islamic terrorist began in September 9, 2001 with the assassination of the anti-Taliban Military Commander Ahmed Shah Massoud in Afghanistan.

Osama Bin Laden had Massoud killed because he was too much of a threat to Al Qaeda's plans. Massoud knew that the Al Qaeda was based in Pakistan and the battle to stop AQ had to be fought in Pakistan.

Massoud also fought the Soviets and exposed them as a half-assed army.

Killed commies and Islamic fundamentalists. Why isn't there a statue for this guy?

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at September 11, 2018 12:05 PM (vbJig)

239 >>>Posted by: fixerupper at September 11, 2018 11:37 AM (8XRCm)

Heh, was just about to post that point. It pays to check before posting.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at September 11, 2018 12:05 PM (/qEW2)

240 231 Roll Tide sir

Posted by: rammajamma at September 11, 2018 12:05 PM (AjNMO)

241 IF THAT was the purpose we wouldn't see sneaking sharia change laws, hate laws, threats to others that speak about laws, all b.s.

Posted by: willow at September 11, 2018 12:05 PM (dPd5y)

242 @230
It is a travesty that the damned idea was ever proposed, much less entertained.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at September 11, 2018 12:06 PM (xP7rZ)

243 There's a fascinating backstory about Air Force 1, the crew and the WH staff on board during the morning/afternoon of 9/11.

Bing search "We're the Only Plane in the Sky"
Also search "On 9/11 One Air Force Pilot's Only Concern Was"

My best friend growing up went on to fly Air Force 2 and had some gripping insight to that day.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 11, 2018 12:06 PM (DaDYr)

244 Always seemed t'me that...

Jesus' advice on turning the other cheek was about evangelism, dealing with someone in a way to open their eyes to the Spirit by your show of restraint and forgiveness. A person who is salvagable won't take the second hit, you see. It's a conversion ploy. You have to assess the person and context. It's not a tactic for dealing with hardened enemies.

I found the best example of love your enemy even if you must kill him in the Bhagavad Gita. (From long-ago memory of a translation by Yogi Ramacananda or something like that.)

Before the great battle, General Arjuna is taken to a high point and allowed to see through the eyes of God (Krishna, playing Arjuna's charioteer).

Arjuna now sees that the souls on both sides are all his kin, and asks how he can possibly fight.

Krishna advises, first, you can't kill souls, just bodies.

But importantly, General Arjuna, the battle is on, unavoidable, inevitable.

If you don't lead, then your side will lose and all on your side will be slaughtered. You will lose all honor.

If you do lead, your side will win, and all of the other side will be slaughtered. Now, get down there and do your duty.

Sometimes love your enemy means make sure it's a quick, clean kill shot.

Seems t'me.

Posted by: mindful webworker - my 2¢ worth at September 11, 2018 12:07 PM (Yf6eY)

245 It didn't help when Luther said he'd rather be ruled by a Turk than the Pope....
Posted by: JoeF. at September 11, 2018 12:02 PM

In Luther's defense, the Turks of the day would have just charged him a fee and let him believe whatever he wanted. The Pope of the day wanted to burn him at the stake. So, Luther was harsh, but right.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 11, 2018 12:07 PM (k1TUh)

246 And if we're doing Tolkien:

Arise now, arise, Riders of Theoden!
Fell deeds awake, fire and slaughter!
Spear shall be shaken, shield be splintered,
A sword-day, a red day, ere the sun rises!

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at September 11, 2018 12:08 PM (breGG)

247 "If he starts a war with Iran, he's finished."

If Trump doesn't act like we're at war with Iran, he's finished.

For fuck's sake, Iran has been at war with us since I was 9 years old. I'm pushing 50 now -- and Iran is still at war with us. They've attacked us directly all over the goddamned world, they make threats to attack us here in the US -- and we do worse than nothing. Even Reagan sold them weapons, despite their involvement in the Marine barracks bombing; Bush studiously ignored their "advisors" in Afghanistan and Iraq; Obama practically fellated them in his quest to diminish the US.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at September 11, 2018 12:08 PM (MRqZC)

248 231 Roll Tide sir

Posted by: rammajamma at September 11, 2018 12:05 PM (AjNMO)


*head nod*

When you next see Nick Saban, please send him ScoggDog's personal compliments for beating the holy shit out of the University of Louisville.

Louisville Fans simply can not suffer enough. In normal humans, suffering builds character. In the case of Lousville Fans ... it suffices to simply keep them busy.

Posted by: ScoggDog at September 11, 2018 12:08 PM (fiGNd)

249 It didn't help when Luther said he'd rather be ruled by a Turk than the Pope....
Posted by: JoeF. at September 11, 2018 12:02 PM

In Luther's defense, the Turks of the day would have just charged him a fee and let him believe whatever he wanted. The Pope of the day wanted to burn him at the stake. So, Luther was harsh, but right.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 11, 2018 12:07 PM (k1TUh)


Luther didn't have access to our store of "Yo Mama" jokes to use on the pope either.

Posted by: Sahib Mikey's Safari Adventure & Clubbing Extravaganza is now stocked and open! at September 11, 2018 12:08 PM (hLRSq)

250 The people jumping out of the building... That's what will haunt me forever

Posted by: It's me donna at September 11, 2018 12:08 PM (O2RFr)

251 "Iran has been at war with us since the 1983 Marine barracks bombing in Beirut"

Embassy invasion and hostages in 1979.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at September 11, 2018 12:08 PM (MRqZC)

252 amusing news on a day where it might be welcome...

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-10/bikini
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File under "Unexpectedly!"

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 11, 2018 12:09 PM (rjbMC)

253 I read a book years ago, ( I think recommended by the Sunday Book Thread), called , I think, "The Western Way of War".

We men of the west fight wars fundamentally different from the other cultures in the world was the premise, with many examples.

I hope we still have that warrior spirit in our DNA.

Posted by: Charles Martel at September 11, 2018 12:09 PM (vZr7w)

254 That's part of the weird game of life.

To be a good warrior, you gotta be a good killer. As Scogg and others have said, you need to be able to hate your enemy.

Hate may be poison but so is booze and so is most medicine. Sometimes hate is what you need.

The fact that so many people need to 'interpret' the turn the other cheek doctrine seems to me to be...fuzzy. I think it means just what it says. And there's power in a man who can do that. And martyrdom. Sometimes martyrdom is the plan.

It's just not a plan I'm down with.

Die trying.

I don't know if it's a corruption of Christianity that encourages pacifism and weakness of if that's baked into it by design. I really don't.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 11, 2018 12:10 PM (bcbK8)

255 247 "If he starts a war with Iran, he's finished."

If Trump doesn't act like we're at war with Iran, he's finished.

For fuck's sake, Iran has been at war with us since I was 9 years old. I'm pushing 50 now -- and Iran is still at war with us. They've attacked us directly all over the goddamned world, they make threats to attack us here in the US -- and we do worse than nothing. Even Reagan sold them weapons, despite their involvement in the Marine barracks bombing; Bush studiously ignored their "advisors" in Afghanistan and Iraq; Obama practically fellated them in his quest to diminish the US.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at September 11, 2018 12:08 PM (MRqZC)



I get that, Rob, and so does Dack Thrombosis. However, another attempt at "nation building"? While not securing the borders at home first? That will NOT go well for Trump.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 11, 2018 12:10 PM (ujg0T)

256
In Luther's defense, the Turks of the day would have just charged him a fee and let him believe whatever he wanted. The Pope of the day wanted to burn him at the stake. So, Luther was harsh, but right.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 11, 2018 12:07 PM (k1TUh)

That is true. I never had it in for Luther. I believe he was sincere in wanting to reform the Church.

Henry VIII is another story....

Posted by: JoeF. at September 11, 2018 12:10 PM (NFEMn)

257 Re; Comment in the sidebar from my ASHQ friend and sister in Christ, dear Grammie Winger. (See, guys. There's a "r" there not a d in dear. ;^) I'm making new typos now!) Everyday I pray for the conversion of people who are in radical Islam to faith in Christ, that they receive the fruit of the Holy Spirit and that they become good followers of JC. Yes, there are peaceful Muslims; They ones who are jihadists are NOT and can't be ignored because there are many of them.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 11, 2018 12:10 PM (AllCR)

258 Mindworker @ 244

Agree 100%.

Posted by: The Thumbs of Opposition at September 11, 2018 12:10 PM (O74hG)

259 I should clarify, that Mosques purpose. It was a total crap fest, whywould they even Think it was appropriate at That location if it wasn't for conquest sake?

Posted by: willow at September 11, 2018 12:11 PM (dPd5y)

260 "Islam has been at war with us since the creation of Israel in 1947."

Islam has been at war with civilization since Mohammed started belching out his lies.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at September 11, 2018 12:11 PM (MRqZC)

261 they stopped the Muslims at the doorstep of Paris, and a handful of Crusades did a little to restore some lands ... but in time it was the economic success of "The West" that made the Ottoman Empire the "sick man of Europe".
But how did Europe go so far multi-culti that they invited jihadists to take over their countries, even put them (mostly) on welfare?
Bosnian war, and the un-elected EuroZone bureaucracy. Big outside money dominates elections like the one in Sweden, where the globalist has her face plastered everywhere, and "nationalists" are called Nazis by the media, in Orwellian fashion.

The whole Trump=Hitler thing is just as crazy, and even better funded than the DeepState of Europe. Trump doesn't have the power to censor anyone ... it is DeepState globalist cabals doing that.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 11, 2018 12:11 PM (Cus5s)

262 231 ScoggDog

That's very funny.

I need to work on my Hate Stamina too, although I'm already fairly well bulked up & have low body fat.

Posted by: strawdog at September 11, 2018 12:12 PM (Cssks)

263 Meanwhile Joe Scarborough continues to make a complete ass of himself.

Posted by: Jewells45 at September 11, 2018 12:12 PM (kG5hP)

264 Posted by: Tom Servo at September 11, 2018 12:04 PM (k1TUh)

When 9/11 happened I REALLY thought I would get recalled back to the Navy, as I had only been retired a couple of years.

Girlfriend at the time was REALLY whackjob Liberal, Vegetarian, non violent... (but the sex was great).

Anyway, since I thought I would get recalled, and had just had laser surgery on my eyes, I went and bought a new .45 to practice.

Girlfriend found out, and freaked, used that as an excuse to break up...


I named the gun... 'Reason'... as it was the 'reason' for the break up...

But it also works if people need to see 'Reason'..

Posted by: Don Q at September 11, 2018 12:12 PM (NgKpN)

265 We went to work like usual, but spent half the day listening to the radio in our trucks. The bosses sent out t-shirts hononoring the heroes and victims

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at September 11, 2018 12:12 PM (6Ll1u)

266 I would like to slap the shit out of some media dunce today, i'll let you guess who that might be.

Posted by: willow at September 11, 2018 12:13 PM (dPd5y)

267 Good Grief ... I can't imagine my children throwing dirt on my face, telling each other ...

... "the Ol' Man, why, he really could turn the other cheek."

To Hell with that ... and I don't really give a damn what book it came out of, or what context.

Fuck. That.

Posted by: ScoggDog at September 11, 2018 12:13 PM (fiGNd)

268 Meanwhile Joe Scarborough continues to make a complete ass of himself.
Posted by: Jewells45 at September 11, 2018 12:12 PM (kG5hP)

His Trump hate won't even rest on 9/11?
What did he say?

Posted by: JoeF. at September 11, 2018 12:13 PM (NFEMn)

269 instead we had some of those enemies put into positions of great power
in our govt and education institutes, and the rest were allowed to pay
our leaders off.
=====

Never understood why GBII went after Iraq. Made no sense to me because Iran was the staging acceptance for the whole kill infidels crap. SA accepted Iran at the time because they would take their own radicals.

Should have bombed Iran and taken them out first. SA and the others would have shut up and fallen in line.

Muzzie Bros must be RICOed.

Posted by: mustbequantum at September 11, 2018 12:13 PM (MIKMs)

270 I make no apologies for simply being born better.
Posted by: ScoggDog at September 11, 2018 12:03 PM (fiGNd)

Dad? Is that you?

Posted by: David Hoggdog at September 11, 2018 12:13 PM (P6KKD)

271

Hate is Good. One of the best Tools in the Emotional Box.


Agreed. There's nothing wrong with hating evil and wanting to eradicate it and those who wallow in it and would inflict it on the rest of us who merely wish to live in peace.

I see those imbecilic "Coexist" bumper stickers and I think, "Yeah, that's what I want, too. But what do you do when there are others who would cut your head off if you didn't submit to their death cult?"

Short answer is: "Nope. Not gonna happen. My life was peaceful up until you attacked me. I have the right to self-defense and I will use it with no qualms if you persist."


"That's the only warning you'll ever get. Attack me again and watch what happens.

To you."


Actually, maybe not such a short answer.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 11, 2018 12:13 PM (HaL55)

272 Know who effed the Byzantines?

The Effing French.

Posted by: JAS at September 11, 2018 12:14 PM (3HNOQ)

273


Hate has no home here

Posted by: Stupid yard sign at September 11, 2018 12:14 PM (IqV8l)

274 I have my 'Where were you on 9/11/1?' story too but I'll hold it in case there's a thread about it.

It's not terribly interesting to anyone who's not me, probably.

But 9/11 was a transformative day for me, too.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 11, 2018 12:15 PM (bcbK8)

275 I make no apologies for simply being born better.
Posted by: ScoggDog at September 11, 2018 12:03 PM (fiGNd)

Dad? Is that you?
Posted by: David Hoggdog at September 11, 2018 12:13 PM (P6KKD)


Don't make me send ScoggBoy down there.

Posted by: ScoggDog at September 11, 2018 12:15 PM (fiGNd)

276 Just a reminder. If you would like yourself or loved one (s) to be included in the prayer list for tomorrow, or if you have updates or changes please send the requests to me by 7:00 tonight EST. Due to some work things I must do, I will have to send it to Oregon Muse tonight. Thanks and thanks for your prayers for our community here and those they care for. Keep on praying! You prayer warriors are a blessing! :^)



FenelonDirection18 (at sign) gmail.com

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 11, 2018 12:15 PM (AllCR)

277 "I get that, Rob, and so does Dack Thrombosis. However, another attempt at "nation building"? While not securing the borders at home first? That will NOT go well for Trump."

We tried that. In Afghanistan -- which had a decent civil society 50 years ago -- and Iraq, which had one before Saddam. The locals don't want it.

I'm for making the rubble bounce, walling in the "refugees", and letting them work out their little tribal squabbles. Maybe the winners will be interested in civilization, maybe not. Not my problem, not my duty.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at September 11, 2018 12:16 PM (MRqZC)

278 That is true. I never had it in for Luther. I believe he was sincere in wanting to reform the Church.

Henry VIII is another story....
Posted by: JoeF. at September 11, 2018 12:10 PM (NFEMn)



I would not be so sure there either. Pope was a Spanish puppet who would not let Henry have an heir, as he was in an arranged marriage to a much older and barren wife.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 11, 2018 12:16 PM (ujg0T)

279 " ...
In the early 15th Century, China assembled the largest fleet in the world, and sent several exploring & trade missions across the Pacific and Indian oceans, and then just stopped and withdrew internally and became stagnant for centuries.
Posted by: josephistan at September 11, 2018 11:58 AM (7HtZB)"



And those stagnant times were the glory days of the Confucianist Imperial bureaucrats.
Interesting historical analogy that hadn't occurred to me before.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at September 11, 2018 12:16 PM (58Au8)

280 I get that, Rob, and so does Dack Thrombosis. However, another attempt at "nation building"? While not securing the borders at home first? That will NOT go well for Trump.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 11, 2018 12:10 PM (ujg0T)


do not nation build... punish.


Destroy every vestige of modern technology in the country from the air.

Power plants, manufacturing plants, roads, bridges, communications.... everything.


Tell the people of Iran that IF they want to live under 7th Century Barbarians, then they can LIVE like 7th Century barbarians.

Posted by: Don Q at September 11, 2018 12:16 PM (NgKpN)

281 I don't have any interesting story about 9/11.

I remember Bush the feckless bellowing his empty rhetoric about the terrorists hearing from all of us. I remember the blizzard of flags. I remember the crying that we are all NYC now.

Then I think of what we could have - and should have - done, both overseas and domestic. How we might have crippled the terrorist threat and put the fear of God into the left.

And now I watch as mosques with known, documented ties to terror are protected by the very agencies who are supposedly dedicated to protecting American security. I watch as a day that saw the most devastating attack on American soil become a day for empty theatrics, partisan shrieking, domestic hatred and weepy candlelight vigils.

And, as Ace constantly points out, I watch as a death cult which brutalizes women, rapes prepubescent girls and trains children to kill is not proscribed but legally elevated to an untouchable status afforded no other religion in this country.

Bin Laden cut America's throat. The Democrats took that knife and joyfully drove it into America's heart.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 11, 2018 12:16 PM (kqsXK)

282 must be, He went into Iraq, because of the Iraq Liberation Document written in the previous Clinton administration of Our terrorist enemy Paying terrorists .. (Saddam) so of course a useful jumping ground to work on holding Iran at bay , afghansitan and Dems at that point were in agreement.

Posted by: willow at September 11, 2018 12:17 PM (dPd5y)

283 His Trump hate won't even rest on 9/11?
What did he say?

That Trump is a bigger threat to the American dream than 9/11. The guy is a buffoon and should be mocked daily.

Don't EVER invoke 9/11 you fucking twats. Ever.

Posted by: Jewells45 at September 11, 2018 12:17 PM (kG5hP)

284 ... "the Ol' Man, why, he really could turn the other cheek."

To Hell with that ... and I don't really give a damn what book it came out of, or what context.

The context of "turn the other cheek" was written as ok suck your going to suck punch me? Well here is my other cheek come at me like a man.

Posted by: wrg500 Manatee bounty hunter at September 11, 2018 12:18 PM (Bdeb0)

285 I don't know if it's a corruption of Christianity that encourages
pacifism and weakness of if that's baked into it by design. I really
don't.
=====

Like Buddhism, quiet communion is a good thing. Until it isn't.

Bamiyan Buddhas and others wave from the bombed remnants of civilization.

Posted by: mustbequantum at September 11, 2018 12:19 PM (MIKMs)

286

Never understood why GBII went after Iraq.

Everyone seems to forget that Saddam Hussein was awarding over $25G to the families of jihadis and he was instrumental in training them.

Look up "Salmon Pak airfield" to see if the fuselage they used to train jihadis comes up.

We should've nuked SH's palace, in addition to Medina and Mecca. Then told those goathumpers that if there's another terrorist attack upon America or Americans anywhere in the world from that day forward, we'd reduce one Arab country to glass in retaliation.

Had we done that (shown that we were the strong horse and weren't going to submit in any way), we wouldn't be treated like terrorists here at home. And we really could live in peace like we used to.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 11, 2018 12:19 PM (HaL55)

287 People always look at me as if I'm crazy when I say GWB wimped out. He should have punctuated his ultimatum to the Taliban to hand over OBL and his gang with a nuclear strike on a mountain top within line of sight of Kabul. 9/11 was an attack with weapons of mass destruction and should have been answered in kind. As it is, many times as many people have died than if he had had the balls to do what was necessary, and the world would actually believe we would use our nukes if pushed too far. I think the world's bad boys are still gobsmacked at stupid we are.

Posted by: Pluskats Dog at September 11, 2018 12:19 PM (QKMj3)

288 I would also like to point out the Logical Fallacy of the idea that we will not hold the citizens of a country responsible for what their government does.


Our founding document is based on the premise that if a people do not like their government, it is their Right, and DUTY, to change it.


So based on that Foundational concept, how can a people NOT be held accountable for the actions of their government?

Posted by: Don Q at September 11, 2018 12:19 PM (NgKpN)

289 Hate is Good. One of the best Tools in the Emotional Box.
===================================
That's why I love this place. The politically correct culture we live in tries it's damnedest to suck the testosterone out of me. AoS pumps it right back in.
Wait.
There's probably a better way to say that.
Shep! comment in 3, 2, 1...

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at September 11, 2018 12:19 PM (ty7RM)

290 NeverTurnipers about to not learn a lesson:

@JammieWF

ThinkProgress founder throws a MAJOR SNIT FIT after Facebook selects The Weekly Standard to fact check a Kavanaugh article

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 11, 2018 12:20 PM (c07y/)

291 "Never understood why GBII went after Iraq."

Did you miss the invasion and looting of Kuwait?

You know what really sealed the fate of the "Palestinians"? The behavior of the "Palestinian refugees" in Kuwait. The Kuwaitis had been good Arabs and taken some in, given them jobs. When Saddam invaded, those "refugees" were something between a fifth column and Soros-style looting squads. After Kuwait was liberated, they expelled the "Palestinians".

Posted by: Rob Crawford at September 11, 2018 12:20 PM (MRqZC)

292 Posted by: Don Q at September 11, 2018 12:16 PM (NgKpN)

Rubble doesn't make trouble.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 11, 2018 12:22 PM (BRvh1)

293 263; Jewells, that comes naturally for that murdering commie, chicken shit, asshole.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 11, 2018 12:23 PM (KP5rU)

294 My daughter started her deployment yesterday so today is more depressing than it usually is. To think after 17 years we are still sending our kids to do what should have been done by the end of year 2001. Arabic should be a dead language by now.

Posted by: Cosda at September 11, 2018 12:23 PM (jD/BE)

295 My Lutheran church had a big stained glass window of Luther nailing his 95 points of debate to that door.

I didn't really learn any theology then, but that set a good tone on individual thinking, perhaps leading to other thoughts on "due process".

Trump is now our voice, as we try to get back to original doctrine and intent.

Trump may be just the figurehead, with others leading the academic side of "Americanism". But Trump made the basic arguments in the late 1980's, so he certainly deserves a lot of credit. Coulter gave him some populist ammo with her "Adios America" revelations of how deep the criminal invasion really is.

DeepState is the corrupted and entrenched establishment that loves their control.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 11, 2018 12:23 PM (Cus5s)

296 Today is also National Bollard Day. Never forget.

Posted by: wth at September 11, 2018 12:23 PM (HgMAr)

297 290 NeverTurnipers about to not learn a lesson:

@JammieWF

ThinkProgress founder throws a MAJOR SNIT FIT after Facebook selects The Weekly Standard to fact check a Kavanaugh article
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 11, 2018 12:20 PM (c07y/)

Never Turniper?

I didn't think that one could oppose Turnips politically.

Posted by: Surfperch at September 11, 2018 12:24 PM (zTtjJ)

298 Never understood why GBII went after Iraq. Made no sense to me because Iran was the staging acceptance for the whole kill infidels crap. SA accepted Iran at the time because they would take their own radicals.

Should have bombed Iran and taken them out first. SA and the others would have shut up and fallen in line.

Muzzie Bros must be RICOed.
Posted by: mustbequantum at September 11, 2018 12:13 PM (MIKMs)

Here's how I remember it. Folks can chime in and add or throw fruit...whatever.

But of the 'axis of evil' powers (Iran, Iraq, North Korea), Iraq was the one we had the best shot at.

North Korea is defended to fuck with mines and arty and starting a war there means killing a lot of South Koreans as well. Then there are the nukes, not high quality but...there they are, thanks to Bill Clinton. So not a good offensive choice, bad guys, but hard to hit safely.

Iran is bigger than Iraq, population and geographically. It also has/had a relationship with Russia which added to the fog and complication. It's also on the other side of the gulf and the only 'ally' we'd have would be Pakistan...which turned out to be a VERY mixed 'ally' indeed. So we'd need to do an amphib landing, take and hold territory. A big, grind-y land war, expensive in US lives and also likely to be ugly to the population. The population also would likely rally around the Mullahs, which would complicate regime change and might make the war even uglier. So Iran is a better target, a more guilty target, but also hard to get at.

But Iraq...
Saddam had pissed all of his neighbors off, except Syria. The invasion of Kuwait had isolated him diplomatically. We had troops nearby and we'd been bombing him off and on and maintaining a 'no fly' zone. Saddam had also been a supporter of terrorists, though not the Wahabbists (not until after 9/11), so he was guilty of being a bad guy. And his party in Iraq was the minority. He wouldn't have as many friends willing to rally to his cause, it was thought.

And, keep in mind, we'd just gotten thousands of dead Americans delivered to us. Doing nothing was NOT an option, unless you're ball-less Barry O or his ilk. And Afganistan, though with blood hands, had fallen too quickly and easily but was going to prove to be a long term uplift project. Not satisfying and not likely to affect anything internationally except to destroy the training bases and the Taliban.

So...Iraq.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 11, 2018 12:24 PM (bcbK8)

299 "One important aspect of 9/11 is how we ruthlessly killed thousands upon thousands of Islamic radical savages in righteous vengeance." A good start. We need to kill plenty more. Incinerate them with jet fuel, like they did to us. The USA needs to deliver a lot more payback, particularly to Saudi Arabia.

Posted by: gp at September 11, 2018 12:24 PM (mk9aG)

300 So is the original vid out there? Cause thats almost as funny I would think.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 11, 2018 12:24 PM (3SzRC)

301 After Kuwait was liberated, they expelled the "Palestinians".

I could have told you so, if you'd asked.

Posted by: King Hussein at September 11, 2018 12:25 PM (iys0/)

302 Hate has no home here
Posted by: Stupid yard sign at September 11, 2018 12:14 PM (IqV8l)

I pass a house sometimes that has about 50 anti Trump signs in its yard including on that says "It's Mueller time!! (That makes me think a man put out the signs because I don't think a woman would think of that one, although a wife might agree with the signs) In amongst them are three "Hate has no home here!" Really?!! It's pretty clear that the sign maker hates Trump and doesn't just disagree with his policies or have a problem with his personality quirks.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 11, 2018 12:25 PM (AllCR)

303 Posted by: Rob Crawford at September 11, 2018 12:20 PM (MRqZC)

Draw a line from the Levantine Coast eastwards.

Syria
Iraq
Iran
Afghanistan
Pakistan

That should answer any question you've ever had about "why did we invade Iraq and Afghanistan?". Everything else ever said about it is pretext.

Location. Location. Location.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 11, 2018 12:25 PM (BRvh1)

304 Maybe the winners will be interested in civilization, maybe not. Not my problem, not my duty.
Posted by: Rob Crawford at September 11, 2018 12:16 PM (MRqZC)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjJ6AFzUHSE


Not my cross to bear...

Posted by: Don Q at September 11, 2018 12:25 PM (NgKpN)

305 Too bad the Romans couldn't have stuck it out a couple hundred years
more. The collapse of their empire created a void that Islam was able
to fill.

***

Blame Venice. Up until the 4th Crusade the Byzantines were able to hold the Caliphate off.

Then Venice persuaded the Crusaders to attack Christian Constantinople and broke their strength.

The Pope excommunicated them for it but it didn't stop them.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 11, 2018 12:25 PM (eSx+E)

306 Isn't today also International buy a Muslim a Ham Sandwich day?

Posted by: wrg500 Manatee bounty hunter at September 11, 2018 12:25 PM (Bdeb0)

307 I pass a house sometimes that has about 50 anti Trump signs in its yard including on that says "It's Mueller time!! (That makes me think a man put out the signs because I don't think a woman would think of that one, although a wife might agree with the signs) In amongst them are three "Hate has no home here!" Really?!! It's pretty clear that the sign maker hates Trump and doesn't just disagree with his policies or have a problem with his personality quirks.
==========

Yeah, but it's the right kind of hate.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at September 11, 2018 12:26 PM (vg8iE)

308 That should answer any question you've ever had about "why did we invade Iraq and Afghanistan?". Everything else ever said about it is pretext.

Location. Location. Location.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 11, 2018 12:25 PM (BRvh1)


But it was based on the false premise that WE needed something from the middle east...

When the simple fact is that the US and Russia could supply all the dam oil we need.

Posted by: Don Q at September 11, 2018 12:26 PM (NgKpN)

309 Blame Venice. Up until the 4th Crusade the Byzantines were able to hold the Caliphate off.

Then Venice persuaded the Crusaders to attack Christian Constantinople and broke their strength.

The Pope excommunicated them for it but it didn't stop them.
Posted by: 18-1 at September 11, 2018 12:25 PM (eSx+E)

The Venetians didn't let a crisis go to waste.

Posted by: JoeF. at September 11, 2018 12:27 PM (NFEMn)

310

When you next see Nick Saban, please send him ScoggDog's personal compliments for beating the holy shit out of the University of Louisville.

ROLL TIDE!!!

Seeing My Beloved Crimson Tide play live was a great time. Last time I saw a game live was the '95 Citrus Bowl down here where MBCT whupped up on Ohio State. That was another good game, a come-from-behind victory.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 11, 2018 12:27 PM (HaL55)

311 People always look at me as if I'm crazy when I say GWB wimped out. He should have punctuated his ultimatum to the Taliban to hand over OBL and his gang with a nuclear strike on a mountain top within line of sight of Kabul.
Posted by: Pluskats Dog


Wouldn't have mattered one bit to them. Could have nuked Kabul and it still wouldn't have mattered.

Question never answered to this day: Where did the attackers come from and who funded them?

Hint: it wasn't the Taliban.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 11, 2018 12:27 PM (c07y/)

312 "Hate has no home here!" Really?!! It's pretty clear that the sign maker hates Trump

***

Oh, they also hate you and everyone that voted for Trump.

But as is always the case with the left their hate is excused for...reasons.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 11, 2018 12:27 PM (eSx+E)

313 So based on that Foundational concept, how can a people NOT be held accountable for the actions of their government?

Posted by: Don Q at September 11, 2018 12:19 PM (NgKpN)


We couldn't have won WWII trying to sort the German from the Nazi. And we didn't.

But the Muslims are smart. They understand how we've hamstrung ourselves. So their key to victory is never putting too many active shooters on the field at once.

Meanwhile - about 99% of their civilians are just active shooters in waiting - safe as can be out in the open.

Posted by: ScoggDog at September 11, 2018 12:27 PM (fiGNd)

314 Is Hillary going to a faceplant today?

I hope not, cause THAT funeral will last for 300 years !

Posted by: JT at September 11, 2018 12:27 PM (ome5S)

315 Location. Location. Location.
Posted by: Warai-otoko

You forgot Lebanon.

Posted by: wrg500 Manatee bounty hunter at September 11, 2018 12:27 PM (Bdeb0)

316
I didn't think that one could oppose Turnips politically.

Posted by: Surfperch at September 11, 2018 12:24 PM (zTtjJ)



Did you just fall off the turnip truck? Everything can be political.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at September 11, 2018 12:27 PM (TAmPV)

317 Anyway. May God hold close the souls of all who died that day.


Posted by: bluebell


And God bless you and yourn, Bluebell !

Posted by: JT at September 11, 2018 12:28 PM (ome5S)

318 Anybody got that video of Hillary and the bollard within easy reach?

Posted by: JAS at September 11, 2018 12:28 PM (3HNOQ)

319
Seeing My Beloved Crimson Tide play live was a
great time. Last time I saw a game live was the '95 Citrus Bowl down
here where MBCT whupped up on Ohio State. That was another good game, a
come-from-behind victory.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 11, 2018 12:27 PM (HaL55)
I would love to see them play a pro team..I suspect they could give some of the NFL teams a hard time.

Posted by: IC, now with extra super elite at September 11, 2018 12:29 PM (a0IVu)

320 Well at least we have shit canned that Mosque at Ground Zero
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 11, 2018 12:03 PM
~~~~~

It's still there, just not the fancy-schmancy one they wanted. Nonetheless, all those muslim peddlers and food carts in the area assemble their wares and trot off to it five times a day. There are massive body guards outside. They park their carts all over the sidewalk, and wash their feet on the curb with gallons of bottled water. It looks like a third world country and turns my stomach.

I've seen it in person. Will try to find photos...

Posted by: IrishEi at September 11, 2018 12:30 PM (Ri0Ku)

321 Yes, yes, I get that Saddamn was a nasty terrorist, SA supported other terrorists, etc. However, Iran was playing the game and because it was a wealthy and well-educated country who got away with eye-popping terrorist attacks against the US, get rid of the mullahs first. Then take care of other petty satrapies. Maybe everyone was still terrified that SA would shut off the oil spigot. Hindsight, but it still struck me at the time that Iraq was the wrong target.

Posted by: mustbequantum at September 11, 2018 12:30 PM (MIKMs)

322 I didn't think that one could oppose Turnips politically.

Posted by: Surfperch at September 11, 2018 12:24 PM (zTtjJ)



Did you just fall off the turnip truck? Everything can be political.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at September 11, 2018 12:27 PM (TAmPV)

Turnip Truck is a slur!

Posted by: Turnip Justice Warriors at September 11, 2018 12:30 PM (zTtjJ)

323 So,Youtube is running ads #SheCanSTEM

Posted by: steevy at September 11, 2018 12:30 PM (mCMQ5)

324 BTW Google have anything commemorating the attacks?Of course not.

Posted by: steevy at September 11, 2018 12:31 PM (mCMQ5)

325 Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 11, 2018 12:27 PM (HaL55)
I would love to see them play a pro team..I suspect they could give some of the NFL teams a hard time.
Posted by: IC, now with extra super elite

Snicker, snicker, Steelers, snicker

Posted by: wrg500 Manatee bounty hunter at September 11, 2018 12:31 PM (Bdeb0)

326 But it was based on the false premise that WE needed something from the middle east...

When the simple fact is that the US and Russia could supply all the dam oil we need.
Posted by: Don Q at September 11, 2018 12:26 PM (NgKpN)

My point is, that is what they *said* regarding why. That we went in *for* something. Oil, specifically.

That's a smoke screen, in my estimation.

If the Iranian/Syran axis toppled Iraq first, you'd have a nightmare on your hands. Iran wasn't the basket case then that it is now.

And Afghanistan was just a mismanaged hell-hole that was ripe for the picking to serve as an eastern Front against Iran, and a buffer against the ever more belligerent Pakis.

"Blood for Oil", "Revenge for Daddy", "GWB hates brown people".... it's all twaddle.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 11, 2018 12:31 PM (BRvh1)

327 254 I don't know if it's a corruption of Christianity
that encourages pacifism and weakness of if that's baked into it by
design. I really don't.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 11, 2018 12:10 PM (bcbK

I think the premise is faulty, and that Christianity encourages neither pacifism nor weakness.

As to martyrs, and happily for all us normals, God seems not to need many of them. Though those who are called to it die joyfully, I'm sure. Again, not volunteering.

Moreover, one doesn't need to hate to kill or to be willing to kill. One only needs to kill to kill, and there are many sound reasons to do so.

Hate is reserved for evil, that's all. Not people.

Posted by: The Thumbs of Opposition at September 11, 2018 12:31 PM (O74hG)

328 That Turnip cheated me!!!!

Posted by: Serena Williams at September 11, 2018 12:31 PM (F4u7C)

329 >>>It didn't help when Luther said he'd rather be ruled by a Turk than the Pope....

I think it's disputed that he actually said that.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at September 11, 2018 12:31 PM (/qEW2)

330 320: sounds like a target rich environment.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 11, 2018 12:31 PM (KP5rU)

331 Hussein and his regime deserved what befell them. But "we have to do something" is pretty much what our inept government usually says right before it steps in it.

Posted by: bear with assymetrical balls at September 11, 2018 12:32 PM (ppBhU)

332 "... you need Hate. You lose your Hate - and you're pretty much fucked by the next guy to come along that ain't lost his..." -ScoggDog

Yeah, good Capt. Kirk is weak and indecisive.

Posted by: mindful webworker - doing that Vulcan gang sign at September 11, 2018 12:32 PM (Yf6eY)

333 315 Location. Location. Location.
Posted by: Warai-otoko

You forgot Lebanon.
Posted by: wrg500 Manatee bounty hunter at September 11, 2018 12:27 PM (Bdeb0)


Lebanon... a case study in what happens when you let Islam get ANY political power.


It went from a Westernized RICH banking capital... hell RESORT community.

To third world backwater war zone, in just a very few years from 79 to 83. I know, I literally watched it happen.

Posted by: Don Q at September 11, 2018 12:33 PM (NgKpN)

334 You forgot Lebanon.
Posted by: wrg500 Manatee bounty hunter at September 11, 2018 12:27 PM (Bdeb0)

For all intents and purposes, Lebanon could have been lumped in with Syria at the time.

So technically no...


but yeah. yeah i did.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 11, 2018 12:33 PM (BRvh1)

335 Hate is reserved for evil, that's all. Not people.
Posted by: The Thumbs of Opposition at September 11, 2018 12:31 PM (O74hG)

But what happens when the people themselves, chose to side with Evil.

Posted by: Don Q at September 11, 2018 12:34 PM (NgKpN)

336 "Blood for Oil", "Revenge for Daddy", "GWB hates brown people".... it's all twaddle.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 11, 2018 12:31 PM (BRvh1)



When the Leftists cried about "Blood For Oil", I cold only think, "Gee, do you WANT that oil revenue financing more terrorism?" Now it is in the hands of different investors, no?

Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 11, 2018 12:35 PM (ujg0T)

337 Anybody got that video of Hillary and the bollard within easy reach?

Posted by: JAS at September 11, 2018 12:28 PM (3HNOQ)
................

Bonus Jake Tapper blabbing

https://tinyurl.com/yapxap32

Posted by: wth at September 11, 2018 12:35 PM (HgMAr)

338 Hindsight, but it still struck me at the time that Iraq was the wrong target.

Posted by: mustbequantum at September 11, 2018 12:30 PM (MIKMs)


Could have been the perfect target ... the problem was "W" - and his stupid fucking notion of a Middle Eastern Marshall Plan.

(By the way, I've really been working on trying to go with Alliteration and/or Rhymes in my verbage).

Losing one troop was too many - but the losses in Taking Iraq didn't compare to shit to the losses trying to Reform Iraq.

We could have deposed Sadam, put in a bastard of our own choosing, and left to let the Sunnis and Shias butcher each other. We should have.

Also - Tommie Franks has stated that the original plan was to take the Republican Guard, intact, and use them to hold everything together. When it was time to do so ... the money to pay them wasn't released.

"W" ... the gift that keeps on giving. No - I won't be buying any of the "We Must Respect the Office" bullshit when he dies, either.

Posted by: ScoggDog at September 11, 2018 12:35 PM (fiGNd)

339

I would love to see them play a pro team..I suspect they could give some of the NFL teams a hard time.


Same here. But I've been thinking that for a couple of years now. It appears as though MBCT's 2-headed offense might become equal to their much-feared defense.

If they don't slip up early in this season, I see them going undefeated and cruising to another NatChamp. They've been getting off to a ragged start these last few years and have come close to giving me another heart attack, which I'd rather do without. Two was plenty.

Ole Miss will be a good test this Saturday.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 11, 2018 12:36 PM (HaL55)

340 I never thought "Love thy enemy" meant "Pretend your enemy isn't your enemy".

It just means you're a little bit sad about ramming a bayonet through their eye socket.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 11, 2018 12:36 PM (BRvh1)

341 307 I pass a house sometimes that has about 50 anti Trump signs in its yard including on that says "It's Mueller time!! (That makes me think a man put out the signs because I don't think a woman would think of that one, although a wife might agree with the signs) In amongst them are three "Hate has no home here!" Really?!! It's pretty clear that the sign maker hates Trump and doesn't just disagree with his policies or have a problem with his personality quirks.
==========

Yeah, but it's the right kind of hate.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at September 11, 2018 12:26 PM (vg8iE)

Generally speaking I don't believe I'd go to one of those homes if I needed help of some kind. It's entirely about virtue signalling and has nothing to do with actually demonstrating anything positive. Those houses are probably filled with more than average.

Posted by: Northernlurker, but call me Teem at September 11, 2018 12:37 PM (nBr1j)

342 "We Must Respect the Office" bullshit when he dies, either.
Posted by: ScoggDog at September 11, 2018 12:35 PM (fiGNd)

If they don't respect the office, why the f*ck should I?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 11, 2018 12:37 PM (BRvh1)

343 Losing one troop was too many - but the losses in Taking Iraq didn't compare to shit to the losses trying to Reform Iraq.

We could have deposed Sadam, put in a bastard of our own choosing, and left to let the Sunnis and Shias butcher each other. We should have.

Also - Tommie Franks has stated that the original plan was to take the Republican Guard, intact, and use them to hold everything together. When it was time to do so ... the money to pay them wasn't released.

"W" ... the gift that keeps on giving. No - I won't be buying any of the "We Must Respect the Office" bullshit when he dies, either.
Posted by: ScoggDog at September 11, 2018 12:35 PM (fiGNd)



W tried to be like another Woodrow Wilson when he should have been like another Teddy Roosevelt instead, foreign policy wise. I will leave it at that.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 11, 2018 12:37 PM (ujg0T)

344 Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 11, 2018 12:31 PM (BRvh1)

The whole premise was based on the idea that we could 'civilize' the Middle East.

That we could be a nicer and gentler Colonial power... and somehow change their culture WITHOUT destroying their old culture.


As soon as we allowed Sharia law into the Iraqi Constitution, I knew our leaders had not concept of how to win the Clash of Cultures which is driving this whole conflict.

Posted by: Don Q at September 11, 2018 12:38 PM (NgKpN)

345 Heh! Socialism!
https://tinyurl.com/ydd82lsm

Posted by: Xipe Totec at September 11, 2018 12:39 PM (xP7rZ)

346 305. The Battle of Manzikert in 1071 might have something to say about that. The Byzantines lost most of Anatolia. Their power was really broken after that

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 11, 2018 12:39 PM (mpr/5)

347 We need to remember that WWII was an aberration. The Germans and Japanese reformed because they were broken, and we only guided how they put themselves back together.

Iraq and Afghanistan were not broken, only their governments were, which made a big part of the difference. People don't change their worldview lightly, and the buddy-buddy, soft touch model of nation building doesn't give them adequate reason to want to change.

Posted by: Cato by Phone at September 11, 2018 12:40 PM (J+mig)

348 We could have deposed Sadam, put in a bastard of our own choosing, and left to let the Sunnis and Shias butcher each other. We should have.

For all intents and purposes we did when Obama pulled out of Iraq. Shia being the dominant sect of Islam in Iraq took it out on the Sunni bring about ISIS to fight the Shia. By us pulling out the Shia govt welcomed Iran giving Iran a land route to supply Syria and Hezbollah.

Posted by: wrg500 Manatee bounty hunter at September 11, 2018 12:41 PM (Bdeb0)

349 If I were president, I would unleash the military every year on 9/11 to just unflinchingly bomb the utter living hell out of whatever bumfuck islamist towns I felt like. Total destruction and devastation. At night, I'd make an announcement that the bombings would end on total and unlimited withdrawal by islamists from this country - it'd be up to them to make it stop.

Posted by: Eli Cash at September 11, 2018 12:41 PM (a+WIL)

350 323 So,Youtube is running ads #SheCanSTEM
Posted by: steevy at September 11, 2018 12:30 PM (mCMQ5)

Stemming sounds worse than pegging!

Posted by: josephistan at September 11, 2018 12:42 PM (7HtZB)

351 BTW, just to clarify...

Given that Jahidi camps are populated with individuals who have declared their intention to wage war on me, have an ability to do so, and have done so, I'm perfectly down with bombing the shit out of as many as we can identify.

But that doesn't mean I won't pray with love for each of those individual's conversion. They've have the misfortune of being raised to follow Satan. Who knows, perhaps with more prayer in the past, there would be many fewer at those camps today.

But it's certain that with more bombs today, there'll be fewer at those camps tomorrow.

Posted by: The Thumbs of Opposition at September 11, 2018 12:42 PM (O74hG)

352 I would also like to point out the Logical Fallacy of the idea that we will not hold the citizens of a country responsible for what their government does.

Posted by: Don Q at September 11, 2018 12:19 PM (NgKpN)


Germans and Japanese 1939-1945 nod.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with an added spark of divinity at September 11, 2018 12:42 PM (+qe8f)

353 So,Youtube is running ads #SheCanSTEM
Posted by: steevy at September 11, 2018 12:30 PM (mCMQ5)

Stemming sounds worse than pegging!
Posted by: josephistan

Don't knock it until you've tried it.

Posted by: Groot at September 11, 2018 12:43 PM (SHz3e)

354 Given that Jahidi camps are populated with individuals who have declared their intention to wage war on me, have an ability to do so, and have done so, I'm perfectly down with bombing the shit out of as many as we can identify.

Pokemon has shown the way: gotta get 'em all.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with an added spark of divinity at September 11, 2018 12:43 PM (+qe8f)

355 The whole premise was based on the idea that we could 'civilize' the Middle East.

Posted by: Don Q at September 11, 2018 12:38 PM (NgKpN)

That's certainly true. And why it turned into such a camel's asshole.

The strategic premise was brilliant, but the tactical execution went tits up because they switched from playing a game of Risk to playing a game of Life.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 11, 2018 12:43 PM (BRvh1)

356 Hate has no home here signs are complete propaganda from local mosques. Yet another sign we have not won the war that started 17 years ago.

Posted by: Eli Cash at September 11, 2018 12:43 PM (a+WIL)

357 Posted by: Cato by Phone at September 11, 2018 12:40 PM (J+mig)

In WW2 we literally changed the foundational Philosophies of our enemies.


The Divinity of the Emperor was destroyed, and Nazism was outlawed.


We were not willing to do that in the Middle East, which is why we are still at war.

Posted by: Don Q at September 11, 2018 12:43 PM (NgKpN)

358 The Battle of Manzikert in 1071 might have something to say about that.
The Byzantines lost most of Anatolia. Their power was really broken
after that

***

They recovered under Alexios Komnenos (with help from the first crusade).

Checkout this map from 1180;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexios_II_Komnenos#/media/File:Byzantium1173.JPG

Posted by: 18-1 at September 11, 2018 12:43 PM (eSx+E)

359 Japan, Germany, Iraq, Afghanistan - I think even a bigger difference is that while they all had evil governments, the first two still had educated, civilized populations which could be put on a new path once the evil at the top was eradicated.

That was really never going to be an option in the 2 countries full of ignorant goat fuckers.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 11, 2018 12:43 PM (k1TUh)

360 That Turnip cheated me!!!!
Posted by: Serena Williams at September 11, 2018 12:31 PM (F4u7C)



This cartoon being called "racist".

https://tinyurl.com/yaol4lde

Question: if you're a cartoonist and it's your stock in trade to do caricatures, is there *any* conceivable caricature you could do of a negro such that some leftist asshole couldn't claim was racist?

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at September 11, 2018 12:44 PM (/qEW2)

361 So,Youtube is running ads #SheCanSTEM
Posted by: steevy at September 11, 2018 12:30 PM (mCMQ5)


Who are they trying to convince, us, the girls, or themselves?

Let's face it, they're not running any ads #BryceHarperCanHit, or #MaxScherzerCanPitch.

There's a reason for that.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with an added spark of divinity at September 11, 2018 12:45 PM (+qe8f)

362 We could have deposed Sadam, put in a bastard of our own choosing, and left to let the Sunnis and Shias butcher each other. We should have.

For all intents and purposes we did when Obama pulled out of Iraq. Shia being the dominant sect of Islam in Iraq took it out on the Sunni bring about ISIS to fight the Shia. By us pulling out the Shia govt welcomed Iran giving Iran a land route to supply Syria and Hezbollah.

Posted by: wrg500 Manatee bounty hunter at September 11, 2018 12:41 PM (Bdeb0)


Wrong bastard ... MY BASTARD would look a whole lot like Bassar al-Assad. In time ... he might have had the luxury of morphing into an Abdullah II of Jordan ... if the Iraqis behaved.

We're on the wrong side in Syria. And its easy to tell the diffence. Whenever a Middle East Dictator looks and talks Western ... back that guy.

Yes ... looks like Assad used poison gas on civilians. I'd use poison fucking nukes. And never lose a wink of sleep over it.

Because I have a High Hate Stamina.

Posted by: ScoggDog at September 11, 2018 12:45 PM (fiGNd)

363 356
Hate has no home here signs are complete propaganda from local mosques.
Yet another sign we have not won the war that started 17 years ago.


Posted by: Eli Cash at September 11, 2018 12:43 PM (a+WIL)

Taqqiya, baby. Taqqiya.
They will pretend to love us until they have the power to cut our heads off.



Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at September 11, 2018 12:45 PM (8iiMU)

364 347 We need to remember that WWII was an aberration. The Germans and Japanese reformed because they were broken, and we only guided how they put themselves back together.

Iraq and Afghanistan were not broken, only their governments were, which made a big part of the difference. People don't change their worldview lightly, and the buddy-buddy, soft touch model of nation building doesn't give them adequate reason to want to change.
Posted by: Cato by Phone at September 11, 2018 12:40 PM (J+mig)



In the cases of Germany and Japan, the State had so permeated the lives of the people that defeating the State defeated the people too.

For more tribal and clannish societies as Afghanistan and Iraq, not so much.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 11, 2018 12:46 PM (ujg0T)

365 We went after Iraq for similar reasons to why in 1943 we invaded Sicily instead of France. Italy was the low hanging fruit so was Iraq.

In both cases they where the least dangerous of the Axis three member team. And in both cases the fighting got worse when non natives moved in to fight us.

Posted by: Big V at September 11, 2018 12:46 PM (CGfsq)

366 @360
You understand that committed leftards would excuse and defend Idi Amin simply on the basis of skin tone.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at September 11, 2018 12:46 PM (xP7rZ)

367 "If you aren't reading Mike Adams you need to start. He and Kurt Schlichter are, along with Ace, the three most refreshing conservative voices on the intertubes."

Agreed.
Gives a whole new meaning to "I want to be like Mike!"

Posted by: VelvetElvis at September 11, 2018 12:47 PM (hleDf)

368 You understand that committed leftards would excuse and defend Idi Amin simply on the basis of skin tone.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at September 11, 2018 12:46 PM (xP7rZ)


Excuse and defend? Hell, if he were alive, he'd be the front-runner for the Democrat nomination in 2020.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with an added spark of divinity at September 11, 2018 12:48 PM (+qe8f)

369 You're right. Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Berlin. We utterly destroyed them.

In Iraq, we we capitulated because it was insensitive to put girls panties on a murderous detainee's head in Abu Graib.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at September 11, 2018 12:48 PM (vbJig)

370 Question: if you're a cartoonist and it's your stock in trade to do caricatures, is there *any* conceivable caricature you could do of a negro such that some leftist asshole couldn't claim was racist?
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear

Apparently, some one Twitter impied that it was racist for the Asian player to have blond hair in the cartoon.

Turns out she did actually have blond on the ends of her hair.

Posted by: Delaforce at September 11, 2018 12:48 PM (u9UC+)

371 You understand that committed leftards would excuse and defend Idi Amin simply on the basis of skin tone.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at September 11, 2018 12:46 PM (xP7rZ)


Give 'em some credit ... they'd defend Idi while Idi himself was eating the livers of their children.

Committed Progressives are the Ernst Rohms of this generation.

Posted by: ScoggDog at September 11, 2018 12:48 PM (fiGNd)

372

"Hate has no home here."


But stupidity does, sadly.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 11, 2018 12:48 PM (HaL55)

373 Excuse and defend? Hell, if he were alive, he'd be the front-runner for the Democrat nomination in 2020.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with an added spark of divinity at September 11, 2018 12:48 PM (+qe8f)

Only if he put on a dress and called xirself "Edie".

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 11, 2018 12:48 PM (BRvh1)

374 Iraq and Afghanistan were not broken, only their governments were, which made a big part of the difference. People don't change their worldview lightly, and the buddy-buddy, soft touch model of nation building doesn't give them adequate reason to want to change.

* * *

Yeah, you have to unbuild a nation before you can rebuild it. This is why I have soured on our military interventions abroad. We don't do them right.

Posted by: bear with assymetrical balls at September 11, 2018 12:48 PM (iys0/)

375 360 That Turnip cheated me!!!!
Posted by: Serena Williams at September 11, 2018 12:31 PM (F4u7C)


This cartoon being called "racist".

https://tinyurl.com/yaol4lde

Question: if you're a cartoonist and it's your stock in trade to do caricatures, is there *any* conceivable caricature you could do of a negro such that some leftist asshole couldn't claim was racist?
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at September 11, 2018 12:44 PM (/qEW2)

Only if you're black.
Spike Lee got away with using REALLY racist images for 'Bamboozled' because of course he can.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 11, 2018 12:48 PM (bcbK8)

376 355 The whole premise was based on the idea that we could 'civilize' the Middle East.

Posted by: Don Q at September 11, 2018 12:38 PM (NgKpN)



That said, the whole "Win the war, but also win the peace" rule was believed as well. And in a nation like Germany, that worked. But Iraq and Afghanistan were not Germany.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 11, 2018 12:49 PM (ujg0T)

377 as I recall, Greenspan at the time pushed for the war on economic points. He said if the Strait of Hormuz was closed it would be an economic disaster for the world.

youtu.be/1DKzXAOupqM?t=122

Posted by: illiniwek at September 11, 2018 12:49 PM (Cus5s)

378 We need to remember that WWII was an aberration. The Germans and
Japanese reformed because they were broken, and we only guided how they
put themselves back together.

=====

And Germany is now on its own Fourth (or Fifth) Reich telling all of Europe how to live beneath the boot.



Posted by: mustbequantum at September 11, 2018 12:50 PM (MIKMs)

379 8 Is Hillary going to a faceplant today?
Posted by: Northernlurker lurkier than ever

If she does her SS detail is ready. They've been practicing shifting 300 lb bags of manure soaked in vodka for the last week.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at September 11, 2018 12:50 PM (kfcYC)

380 Yeah, you have to unbuild a nation before you can rebuild it. This is why I have soured on our military interventions abroad. We don't do them right.

Posted by: bear with assymetrical balls at September 11, 2018 12:48 PM (iys0/)


Every ex-military guy here, including me, received some form of training on how to blow a country back to the Stone Age.

I never got orders for the training school to blow a country OUT of the Stone Age.

Posted by: ScoggDog at September 11, 2018 12:50 PM (fiGNd)

381 I realize that this isn't the message of the thread, and its OT but when has that stopped me before?. ;^)

My spouse began his school bus driving today because the school district he works in didn't open till today because of mold remediation. Part of his bus runs are kids in the kindergarten. They are so cute and many of them about three feet tall, Unless they were in nursery school they've never taken a bus before, so they get on with their tiny backpacks and their eyes are huge . They are really cute and they have huge eyes as they deal with new things and try understand that they're supposed to sit in assigned seats. It makes me laugh to think of him saying, "You can call me Mr. Ed" when they have no idea about the talking horse and their parents may not either.
So God bless all the kids and teachers and administrators and the bus drivers. May the all come home safely and have a wonderful school year with responsible and caring teachers.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 11, 2018 12:50 PM (AllCR)

382 Speaking of Germany, eu and Brexit..what is going on in the UK with their Brexit drama? Chequers, no-deal..soudns like everything is going tits up.

Posted by: IC, now with extra super elite at September 11, 2018 12:51 PM (a0IVu)

383 Why are there still poppy fields in Afghanistan? Why are there still mountains with caves and passages still around?

Eradicate the poppy fields and flatten the mountains! And don't tell me we don't have the resources. Fifteen plus years of waging a war far exceeds the amount necessary to do these things.

Unconditional surrender.
Posted by: Concerned People's Front at September 11, 2018 11:54 AM (v1udk)

Your rulers love the poppy fields. Their product debilitates weak people in the West and makes billions upon billions for them every year. What are the best sources of income for our masters? Taxation, drugs, war, and debt based currency. They don't give a shit about who dies as long as it's not them.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at September 11, 2018 12:52 PM (9BLnV)

384 Wow, looking a twitter you would almost the Democrats gave a damn about what happen today. Almost.

Posted by: wrg500 Manatee bounty hunter at September 11, 2018 12:52 PM (Bdeb0)

385 Agreed.
Gives a whole new meaning to "I want to be like Mike!"
Posted by: VelvetElvis

>>"Who's your favourite conservatives?"

"Mike and Ike."

*hands the guy a box of candy"

Posted by: Delaforce at September 11, 2018 12:52 PM (u9UC+)

386 So yes, any kind of terrorism angers me but when I think of kids being killed at Beslan I understand about hate.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 11, 2018 12:52 PM (AllCR)

387 So God bless all the kids and teachers and
administrators and the bus drivers. May the all come home safely and
have a wonderful school year with responsible and caring teachers.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 11, 2018 12:50 PM (AllCR)
Amen. My daughter takes the bus to school..highlight of the day for her.

Posted by: IC, now with extra super elite at September 11, 2018 12:52 PM (a0IVu)

388 I wandered over to Insty's, and just when I thought the Left couldn't sink any lower, right on top of the page was a "Morning Joe" Scarborough twitter link to a self-loathing, Trump-hating WP op-ed piece. November is coming ...

Posted by: mrp at September 11, 2018 12:53 PM (Pqytn)

389 Posted by: ScoggDog at September 11, 2018 12:03 PM (fiGNd)

If you want to feed the hate listen to the recordings of the 911 calls (if they're still available). All the dispatchers could do for those trapped in the upper floors was be a point of human contact while the caller died. All they could give was a soothing voice, but they gave it with everything they had.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 11, 2018 12:53 PM (uquGJ)

390 So God bless all the kids and teachers and administrators and the bus drivers. May the all come home safely and have a wonderful school year with responsible and caring teachers.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 11, 2018 12:50 PM (AllCR)

This.

Also, you can take my kid off the prayer list. No complete resolution yet, but she is doing better, and her attitude is good. I'll take that!! Thank you for praying for her.

Posted by: moki at September 11, 2018 12:53 PM (mFoNl)

391 "You can call me Mr. Ed" when they have no idea about the talking horse and their parents may not either.



Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 11, 2018 12:50 PM (AllCR)

Hey, quit bragging about your spouse being hung like a horse!

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at September 11, 2018 12:53 PM (8iiMU)

392 CBD as my last comment to this, 'America first' Is we have yet to convince our American sell outs. We can do minimal exercises risking our bravest , while those holding us at bay are profiting . Why would we want to hurt their funds and hopes and dreams of a world order that will benefit Them, not citizens of the world as they state but their using terror and war to keep them wealthy?

and yes I know what I sound like,, nevertheless, I believe that.

Posted by: willow at September 11, 2018 12:53 PM (dPd5y)

393 #358. They recovered somewhat but didn't get back the heartland of Anatolia and with it the Taurus Mountains as a natural defense

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 11, 2018 12:54 PM (OLCnA)

394 That said, the whole "Win the war, but also win the peace" rule was believed as well. And in a nation like Germany, that worked. But Iraq and Afghanistan were not Germany.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 11, 2018 12:49 PM (ujg0T)

Worked in Japan, too. Genetics is destiny.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at September 11, 2018 12:54 PM (9BLnV)

395 Sorry Serena, the bleating of an entitled athlete doesn't interest me in the least. I wore the uniform of my country and pledged my allegiance. I didn't wear some ridiculous outfit that I would think made me cool...I wore combat boots and dress uniform when appropriate. I am sure you would laugh at me Miss Millionaire.

I weep for our lost country men and women. Far greater souls and patriots than you or I could ever imagine.

Posted by: Cheri at September 11, 2018 12:55 PM (oiNtH)

396 I wonder if I should reschedule my vacation to Virginia next week. Already the first three days look like rain.

Posted by: josephistan at September 11, 2018 12:55 PM (7HtZB)

397 Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at September 11, 2018 12:53 PM (8iiMU)

Well, gee Wilbur

Wel, I've had to nobody to compare him to in about 30 plus years, and even if I had I wouldn't admit that, but you made me laugh.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 11, 2018 12:56 PM (AllCR)

398 And Germany is now on its own Fourth (or Fifth) Reich telling all of Europe how to live beneath the boot.

Posted by: mustbequantum at September 11, 2018 12:50 PM (MIKMs)


Ja, but we had to outsource getting rid of the last of our Jews to Muslim immigrants.

Posted by: Angela Merkel at September 11, 2018 12:56 PM (UGKMd)

399

I see "Just Be Kind" yard signs here.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 11, 2018 12:57 PM (IqV8l)

400 382
Speaking of Germany, eu and Brexit..what is going on in the UK with
their Brexit drama? Chequers, no-deal..soudns like everything is going
tits up.


Posted by: IC, now with extra super elite at September 11, 2018 12:51 PM (a0IVu)

My insane libtard friend thinks the Brit government will fall and that Trump-like guy (I forget his name) will become prime minister, and Brexit will occur.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at September 11, 2018 12:57 PM (8iiMU)

401 FenelonSpoke - thank you for sharing...wonderful little souls just beginning their journey. Tell "Mr. Ed" hello from the horde!

Posted by: Cheri at September 11, 2018 12:57 PM (oiNtH)

402 Posted by: moki at September 11, 2018 12:53 PM (mFoNl)

Thanks be God she's doing better and I'm glad she has a good attitude! That's very important .I feel sad when people have problems but I am always glad to pray, which is a privilege and a responsibility. Thanks for letting me know.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 11, 2018 12:58 PM (AllCR)

403 Wel, I've had to nobody to compare him to in about
30 plus years, and even if I had I wouldn't admit that, but you made me
laugh.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 11, 2018 12:56 PM (AllCR)

If you have never seen the episode where Mr. Ed thinks he is a jackass, you need to watch it. You will laugh even more.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at September 11, 2018 01:00 PM (8iiMU)

404 Outer Banks update. Barrier Islands are being evacuated. I live on the mainland so not moving.

Fueled all my vehicles have bottled water for 3 weeks and 3 generators.

Was please to see utility work crews shoring up all the power line poles. Last time we got hit it was the poles falling down after the storm hit because the ground was so wet that kept power off for so long.

Posted by: Big V at September 11, 2018 01:00 PM (CGfsq)

405 September 11th 2001 was a singular event in American history

Yes and no. It was also the continuation of the 1993 WTC attack.

Rick Rescorla certainly never forgot it the '93 Terrorists. It was a semi-dry run for Sept. 11, only failing to level the Twin Towers then because of bad bomb-engineering. And despite an able prosecution by Andy McCarthy, it was basically shrugged-off by the Establishment.

Which, in so many ways, is the story of our times.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at September 11, 2018 01:00 PM (Ndje9)

406 Posted by: Cheri at September 11, 2018 12:57 PM (oiNtH)

How sweet. Thanks!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 11, 2018 01:00 PM (AllCR)

407 My insane libtard friend thinks the Brit government
will fall and that Trump-like guy (I forget his name) will become prime
minister, and Brexit will occur.



Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at September 11, 2018 12:57 PM (8iiMU)
Boris Johnson I reckon..would be good for the UK. He is wild and rather unpredictable.

Posted by: IC, now with extra super elite at September 11, 2018 01:00 PM (a0IVu)

408 I see "Just Be Kind" yard signs here.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 11, 2018 12:57 PM (IqV8l)

That's the abbreviated version. It should read "Just Be Kind Of Dickless".

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at September 11, 2018 01:00 PM (9BLnV)

409
My insane libtard friend thinks the Brit government will fall and that Trump-like guy (I forget his name) will become prime minister, and Brexit will occur.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt


Boris the spider?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 11, 2018 01:00 PM (IqV8l)

410 Fen - Kindergardeners are a true gift for any bus driver. Thank goodness (and the good Lord) that your husband has that joy, awe, and fun. As they get older and older, not so much joy.

Posted by: mustbequantum at September 11, 2018 01:01 PM (MIKMs)

411 380 Yeah, you have to unbuild a nation before you can rebuild it. This is why I have soured on our military interventions abroad. We don't do them right. "

And the core problem with Iraq, Afghanistan, and the other middle eastern states is that they were never "nations" at all, in the western sense. They were just collections of tribes and religious sects held together by whoever was tough enough to keep them in line through sheer brutality, and whenever someone like that wasn't available they collapsed back into civil war and chaos.

That's why "democracy" was a ludicrous, ridiculous dream - it could never be possible in states like this.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 11, 2018 01:01 PM (k1TUh)

412 383 Your rulers love the poppy fields. Their product debilitates weak people in the West and makes billions upon billions for them every year. What are the best sources of income for our masters? Taxation, drugs, war, and debt based currency. They don't give a shit about who dies as long as it's not them.
Posted by: Anonymous White Male at September 11, 2018 12:52 PM (9BLnV)


Moreso than "don't give a shit", they get off on it.

Posted by: Hikaru at September 11, 2018 01:01 PM (UnA8+)

413 Outer Banks update. Barrier Islands are being evacuated. I live on the mainland so not moving.
================================
They're partying on Ocracoke I'm sure. The locals say storms are the only time they have the Island to themselves.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at September 11, 2018 01:02 PM (ty7RM)

414 My insane libtard friend thinks the Brit government will fall and that Trump-like guy (I forget his name) will become prime minister, and Brexit will occur. "

I hope your insane friend is having a flash of sanity - of all the possible near term futures for the UK, I would rate that one in the top 10%. PM May has been a disaster, she needs to go.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 11, 2018 01:03 PM (k1TUh)

415 Okra and Coke?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 11, 2018 01:03 PM (IqV8l)

416 I never got orders for the training school to blow a country OUT of the Stone Age.

You can't with only bombs, though a willingness to kill many instead of drone attacks and smart bombs helps.

But large swathes of the middle east became Hellenized after Alexander's wars, and that culture endured for some time, to take only one example.

You'd have to approach Islam that same way the West approached Nazism - deislamification. You have to replace one culture with another by force. But the West has lost any sense of transmitting its values by force.

Look, the area of the world we are talking about was once almost entirely Christian. And that endured many centuries into the Islamic conquest. When the first Crusaders arrived, the majority of the population in the near east was still Christian, just under Islamic rulers (who weren't initially interested in conversion due to the poll tax allowed on non-muslims).

But over time the muslims rooted out those Christians and changed the culture of the area.

It can be done, because it has been done in that region repeatedly. Hell, look at pictures of the middle east from the late 60s; it wasn't like today.

We just aren't willing to do so. And maybe we shouldn't be willing to do so, given the costs. But if we aren't, we should just admit that to ourselves and stay home.

Posted by: bear with assymetrical balls at September 11, 2018 01:03 PM (iys0/)

417 nood open

Posted by: IC, now with extra super elite at September 11, 2018 01:03 PM (a0IVu)

418 The Ewok Signal open thread is now open.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 11, 2018 01:04 PM (uquGJ)

419
Miss America pageant viewership plummets 36%.

Interesting number. Not 50% which would indicate males stopped watching because no hint of boob or camel toe. I think we've now discovered the percentage of 'woke guys' in the country -- 14%.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at September 11, 2018 01:05 PM (LOgQ4)

420 Monsanto could make Round-Up ready poppies, then we design poppy picking robots ... corner the market ... drive the Afghans (and CIA) out of the global drug business. Safer drugs for everyone ... made in America, and they could pay taxes instead of feeding the black market cabals.
/s (partial sarc)

Posted by: illiniwek at September 11, 2018 01:05 PM (Cus5s)

421 They recovered somewhat but didn't get back the heartland of Anatolia and with it the Taurus Mountains as a natural defense

***

The Turks would continue to be a problem...but it was the events of the fourth crusade that sealed their fate - after the Komensos restoration they were no longer in the verge of collapse anymore.

Had teh crusaders gone to Cairo as planned they likely would have failed to do much...based on other, better led, attacks. But the Byzantines wouldn't have spent the next 60 years fighting their fellow Christians in the Latin Empire....


Posted by: 18-1 at September 11, 2018 01:05 PM (eSx+E)

422 nood. Visit before the stompening.

Posted by: tu3031 at September 11, 2018 01:07 PM (jDF8P)

423 I don't think the company would have gotten nearly as large if it was called Okra-Cola.

Posted by: irright at September 11, 2018 01:08 PM (pMGkg)

424 If I had a spare Genie wish, I might wish that the lady who just won the US Open would win the next 4 Grand Slam events...all over Serena in the finals...in straight sets.

Posted by: JB1000 at September 11, 2018 01:08 PM (16OL0)

425 Nood -- open thread.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 11, 2018 01:08 PM (/ZWeB)

426 My insane libtard friend thinks the Brit government will fall and that Trump-like guy (I forget his name) will become prime minister, and Brexit will occur.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at September 11, 2018 12:57 PM (8iiMU)


Boris Johnson.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at September 11, 2018 01:11 PM (/qEW2)

427 That said, the whole "Win the war, but also win the peace" rule was believed as well. And in a nation like Germany, that worked. But Iraq and Afghanistan were not Germany.

---

Sure that Iran will keep what remains of Iraq on the straight and narrow.

Posted by: SMH - Future proprietress of Bartertown at September 11, 2018 01:12 PM (z3nSX)

428 Deplorable Ian Galt

Boris Johnson.

Unless the Queen uses her Reserve Powers, the UK is gone. Pain should have taught them. But there has been a stealth exodus of the thinking people from the UK for decades. While importing trash.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 11, 2018 01:16 PM (hyuyC)

429 33
That video made me guffaw. Thanks, I needed that.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at September 11, 2018 11:16 AM (xPJvm)


#MeToo

Posted by: kallisto at September 11, 2018 02:19 PM (DJFLF)

430 Jim Sunk New Dawn -- your #99 was pure poetry! Why the *bleep* are you not writing professionally? Or are you, and I simply don't know what author to look for?

Posted by: empire1 at September 11, 2018 03:37 PM (zB/zq)

431 I never heard of it until later someone told me about it all i dont watch the news anymore

Posted by: Tamaa the Bird 1000 Voices at September 11, 2018 06:48 PM (wGqjj)

432 Other than AOSHQ, my favorite conservative commentators are Kurt Schlichter (Townhall), Julie Kelly (American Greatness), and VDH (everywhere).

Posted by: a bee ee? at September 11, 2018 09:18 PM (Xa0+D)

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