Washington Post: Enforcing the law is bad when we say it is, and we are going to quote a lot of Mysterious Gypsy Women and you must totally believe everything they say without question.

Here is a complete fisking of a Washington Post article by commenter "2nd Amendment Texan,” Who happens to be an ex passport-fraud investigator. He thinks that the WaPo is full of shit. I know...crazy idea! But hear him out. It's long, but worth a read.

Actual headline: U.S. is denying passports to Americans along the border, throwing their citizenship into question

►Oh, so they are just randomly taking people who happen to be living near the US border and denying their passport applications? Because they just happen to live near there. Sure, Washington Post, whatever you say.

On paper, he’s a devoted U.S. citizen. His official American birth certificate shows he was delivered by a midwife in Brownsville, at the southern tip of Texas. He spent his life wearing American uniforms: three years as a private in the Army, then as a cadet in the Border Patrol and now as a state prison guard.

► Wait, what? He was a cadet in the Border Patrol? Just a cadet? What would prompt a cadet in the Border Patrol to up and quit to be a prison guard? I am confident if the reason was he blew out his knee, the reporter would have mentioned it. More likely he sexually harassed someone, got caught cheating, or was otherwise found to be unsuitable to carry a badge and gun. These are the typical reasons cadets are kicked out of law enforcement academies. The article just glosses over this, because of course they do.

But when Juan, 40, applied to renew his U.S. passport this year, the government’s response floored him. In a letter, the State Department said it didn’t believe he was an American citizen.

►Does Juan not have a last name?

As he would later learn, Juan is one of a growing number of people whose official birth records show they were born in the United States but who are now being denied passports — their citizenship suddenly thrown into question.

► Not “now being denied passports”. Always. This has been going on since at least the Clinton Administration. As a former passport fraud investigator, let me outline here what typically happens:

Corrupt Dr (or much more commonly, midwife) goes to a Mexican border town *in Mexico* and says for a nice cash bribe I will lyingly claim I delivered your newborn baby in the US. A deal is struck and the midwife files the paperwork and the parents get a US birth certificate for that child. Years later the midwife or doctor is caught, and people with that criminal’s name on the birth certificates are asked for more information to support that they were born in the US since that the birth certificate origins are suspect. No doubt due to racism and all of the admitted lies and payoffs and crimes committed by that midwife, but mainly all of the admitted lies and payoffs and crimes committed by that midwife. For most people that were born in the US, they are able to cobble together such records and they get a passport. But what about those people that don’t have it due to poor record keeping or…they were really not born in the United States?

The Trump administration is accusing hundreds, and possibly thousands, of Hispanics along the border of using fraudulent birth certificates since they were babies, and it is undertaking a widespread crackdown.

►Note the thrown in about “Hispanics” as if this happens on our northern border but the US only cares about hurting Hispanics. Ridiculous.

In a statement, the State Department said that it “has not changed policy or practice regarding the adjudication of passport applications,” adding that “the U.S.-Mexico border region happens to be an area of the country where there has been a significant incidence of citizenship fraud.”
But cases identified by The Washington Post and interviews with immigration attorneys suggest a dramatic shift in both passport issuance and immigration enforcement.

►In other words, cases identified by activist immigration attorneys and interviews with activists immigration attorneys suggest… You know, it is amazing that the Washington Post can find sources in every nook in the world but can’t seem to find a single retired passport adjudicator or investigator to talk to about this problem that has literally gone on for decades. Funny how that gap always is around, and always in one direction.

In some cases, passport applicants with official U.S. birth certificates are being jailed in immigration detention centers and entered into deportation proceedings. In others, they are stuck in Mexico, their passports suddenly revoked when they tried to reenter the United States.

►Stuck in Mexico? You mean the place they were born?

As the Trump administration attempts to reduce both legal and illegal immigration, the government’s treatment of passport applicants in South Texas shows how U.S. citizens are increasingly being swept up by immigration enforcement agencies.

►This is a lie. They are not targeting applicants who live in South Texas. They are asking for more information of *ANY* applicant anywhere in the world that has a US birth certificate featuring the names of certain midwives and physicians that are known to have taken bribes to fraudulently files birth certificates. If you have a birth certificate from Brownsville with one of those midwives who is an admitted liar and are applying for a passport from deep red South Carolina you are going to be getting the same requests for further documentation. If you were born in a hospital in Ames, Iowa but apply from, say, Brownsville you are not going to get such requests.

Juan said he was infuriated by the government’s response. “I served my country. I fought for my country,” he said, speaking on the condition that his last name not be used so that he wouldn’t be targeted by immigration enforcement.

►We still don’t know who Juan is, so I am going to use David Burge’s idea and simply refer to him a Mysterious Gypsy Woman. Did he serve in the Army? What did he do there? Was he a war hero or did he get a dishonorable discharge? We can’t know.

The government alleges that from the 1950s through the 1990s, some midwives and physicians along the Texas-Mexico border provided U.S. birth certificates to babies who were actually born in Mexico. In a series of federal court cases in the 1990s, several birth attendants admitted to providing fraudulent documents.

►The government didn’t allege, the government proved. Keep saying that provable facts are just allegations, media. No way that will make people lose faith in your ability to be truthful.

Based on those suspicions, the State Department during the George W. Bush and Barack Obama administrations denied passports to people who were delivered by midwives in Texas’s Rio Grande Valley. The use of midwives is a long-standing tradition in the region, in part because of the cost of hospital care. The same midwives who provided fraudulent birth certificates also delivered thousands of babies legally in the United States. It has proved nearly impossible to distinguish between legitimate and illegitimate documents, all of them officially issued by the state of Texas decades ago.

►Well, yes, that muddling is exactly why the State Department doesn’t just flat out deny people with sketchy birth certificates. They ask for more documentation.

A 2009 government settlement in a case litigated by the American Civil Liberties Union seemed to have mostly put an end to the passport denials. Attorneys reported that the number of denials declined during the rest of the Obama administration, and the government settled promptly when people filed complaints after being denied passports.

►I am sure there is no way the super-serious, rule-of-law, by-the-book Obama Administration would settle a suit with their buddies in the ACLU that wasn’t on the up and up. Nope, not those guys. Straight shooters, all of them.

But under President Trump, the passport denials and revocations appear to be surging, becoming part of a broader interrogation into the citizenship of people who have lived, voted and worked in the United States for their entire lives. “We’re seeing these kind of cases skyrocketing,” said Jennifer Correro, an attorney in Houston who is defending dozens of people who have been denied passports.

►Well, yes, when a law isn’t enforced for 8 years and then is enforced there will be a “surge” of enforcement. You know, I think all journalism degrees should require two statistics classes.

In its statement, the State Department said that applicants “who have birth certificates filed by a midwife or other birth attendant suspected of having engaged in fraudulent activities, as well as applicants who have both a U.S. and foreign birth certificate, are asked to provide additional documentation establishing they were born in the United States.”
“Individuals who are unable to demonstrate that they were born in the United States are denied issuance of a passport,” the statement said.
When Juan, the former soldier, received a letter from the State Department telling him it wasn’t convinced that he was a U.S. citizen, it requested a range of obscure documents — evidence of his mother’s prenatal care, his baptismal certificate, rental agreements from when he was a baby. He managed to find some of those documents but weeks later received another denial. In a letter, the government said the information “did not establish your birth in the United States.” “I thought to myself, you know, I’m going to have to seek legal help,” said Juan, who earns $13 an hour as a prison guard and expects to pay several thousand dollars in legal fees.

►So Mysterious Gypsy Woman doesn’t have a baptism certificate or he doesn’t have a baptism certificate from a church in the United States? See what they did there? Nice sleight of hand, Washington Post. Someone could go digging and find out if he has a baptismal certificate in churches near where he claimed to have been born, but that would take digging and effort. If there was just a job that existed for people who would do such digging and then write about what they found…

In a case last August, a 35-year-old Texas man with a U.S. passport was interrogated while crossing back into Texas from Mexico with his son at the ¬McAllen-Hidalgo-Reynosa International Bridge, connecting Reynosa, Mexico, to McAllen, Tex. His passport was taken from him, and Customs and Border Protection agents told him to admit that he was born in Mexico, according to documents later filed in federal court. He refused and was sent to the Los Fresnos Detention Center and entered into deportation proceedings. He was released three days later, but the government scheduled a deportation hearing for him in 2019. His passport, which had been issued in 2008, was revoked.

►So Mysterious Gypsy Woman Who Doesn’t Even Have a First Name claims something that he filed in federal court makes what he is saying true. None of what Mysterious Gypsy Woman Who Doesn’t Even Have a First Name asserts rings even remotely true, and I remain confident that the Washington Post is adamant that it be looked into no further.

Attorneys say these cases, where the government’s doubts about an official birth certificate lead to immigration detention, are increasingly common. “I’ve had probably 20 people who have been sent to the detention center — U.S. citizens,” said Jaime Diez, an attorney in Brownsville.

►Amazing how these crack Washington Post reporters take the word of the Mysterious Gypsy Women’s attorneys at face value with zero followups. Way to swing for the credibility fences, Washington Post.

Diez represents dozens of U.S. citizens who were denied their passports or had their passports suddenly revoked. Among them are soldiers and Border Patrol agents. In some cases, Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents have arrived at his clients’ homes without notice and taken passports away.

►Why does it matter if the Mysterious Gypsy Women are soldiers? After all, the Washington Post has spent the last several years implying 24/7 that pretty much every single DREAMer is serving in the military, and they aren’t citizens by the media’s own acknowledgment. And one must be a US Citizen to be a US Border Patrol agent, so not being one is a pretty big deal.

The State Department says that even though it may deny someone a passport, that does not necessarily mean that the individual will be deported. But it leaves them in a legal limbo, with one arm of the U.S. government claiming they are not an American and the prospect that immigration agents could follow up on their case. It’s difficult to know where the crackdown fits into the Trump administration’s broader efforts to reduce legal and illegal immigration. Over the past year, it has thrown legal permanent residents out of the military and formed a denaturalization task force that tries to identify people who might have lied on decades-old citizenship applications.

►The military has a ton of greencard holders serving, and none of them are thrown out of the military just because they are still greencard holders as they were the day they joined. Sounds like a lie, plain and simple. You know someone who probably lied on their decades-old citizenship certificate? That 95-year-old Nazi guard that was just deported.

Now, the administration appears to be taking aim at a broad group of Americans along the stretch of the border where Trump has promised to build his wall, where he directed the deployment of National Guardsmen, and where the majority of cases in which children were separated from their parents during the administration’s “zero tolerance” policy occurred.

►This section is just so dumb. Again, it is a lie to say that the government is taking aim at anyone, they are not. Also, where they live is not relevant, who claimed they delivered them at birth is the key question. I am not sure what the point of the rest of the paragraph is other than to notate that border enforcement typically is concentrated on the border, which any six year old could understand.

The State Department would not say how many passports it has denied to people along the border because of concerns about fraudulent birth certificates. The government has also refused to provide a list of midwives whom it considers to be suspicious. Lawyers along the border say that it isn’t just those delivered by midwives who are being denied.
Babies delivered by Jorge Treviño, one of the regions most well-known gynecologists, are also being denied. When he died in 2015, the McAllen Monitor wrote in his obituary that Treviño had delivered 15,000 babies.
It’s unclear why babies delivered by Treviño are being targeted, and the State Department did not comment on individual birth attendants. Diez, the attorney, said the government has an affidavit from an unnamed Mexican doctor who said that Treviño’s office provided at least one fraudulent birth certificate for a child born in Mexico. One of the midwives who was accused of providing fraudulent birth certificates in the 1990s admitted in an interview that in two cases, she accepted money to provide fake documents. She said she helped deliver 600 babies in South Texas, many of them now being denied passports. Those birth certificates were issued by the state of Texas, with the midwife’s name listed under “birth attendant.”
“I know that they are suffering now, but it’s out of my control,” she said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of her admission.

►That is correct, it is out of her control, and it is up to the government to sort all of this out. I did, and do, feel bad for people who have grown up in the US and didn’t know they were not born here. It sucks. But we have rules, and if a parent bribes someone to file a fraudulent birth certificate then that person is not entitled to US citizenship. But the parents did this to these people, not you, not me, not the State Department, and not Trump.

For those who have received passport denials from the government, it affects not only their travel plans but their sense of identity as Americans.
One woman who has been denied, named Betty, said she had tried to get a passport to visit her grandfather as he was dying in Mexico. She went to a passport office in Houston, where government officials denied her request and questioned whether she had been born in the United States. “You’re getting questioned on something so fundamentally you,” said Betty, who spoke on the condition her last name not be used because of concerns about immigration enforcement.

►Another Mysterious Gypsy Woman makes a claim, a plausible one in my view, of a denial of her passport application. Too bad there isn’t any follow up on it - was her birth certificate filed by one of the midwives who was caught taking bribes? Seems like a pretty important element to leave out of the story about people getting their passport applications denied because midwives were taking bribes.

The denials are happening at a time when Trump has been lobbying for stricter federal voter identification rules, which would presumably affect the same people who are now being denied passports — almost all of them Hispanic, living in a heavily Democratic sliver of Texas.

►Again with the lie relating to the geographic region.

“That’s where it gets scary,” Diez said. For now, passport applicants who are able to afford the legal costs are suing the federal government over their passport denials. Typically, the applicants eventually win those cases, after government attorneys raise a series of sometimes bizarre questions about their birth. “For a while, we had attorneys asking the same question: ‘Do you remember when you were born?’ ” Diez said. “I had to promise my clients that it wasn’t a trick question.”

►Well then your clients are dumb. The implication that the government attorneys seem to think that a person would remember their own birth from their own memory of being there is so dumb I can not even be bothered to write about it.

Posted by: CBD at 02:00 PM

Comments

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1 That new thread smell

Posted by: Skip at September 02, 2018 02:00 PM (T4oHT)

2 It's just like the old Gypsy woman said!

Posted by: Cheryl Tunt at September 02, 2018 02:05 PM (NWiLs)

3 Corgis dutifully called
And the news ( all) continue with everything McCain, stay away from any news channel.
A public service announcement

Posted by: Skip at September 02, 2018 02:05 PM (T4oHT)

4 The Washington Post is not fit to line the bottom of a hobo's shoes.

I am all for denying US passports to Mysterious Gypsies.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 02, 2018 02:06 PM (EoRCO)

5 So how many real illegals will try and pull this into their advantage?

Posted by: Skip at September 02, 2018 02:06 PM (T4oHT)

6 From nowhere through the caravan
Round the campfire light
A lovely woman in motion
With hair as dark as night
Her eyes were like that of a cat in the dark
That hypnotized me with loveShe was a gypsy woman
She was a gypsy woman

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 02, 2018 02:09 PM (oVJmc)

7
Many cadets often washout on psych evaluation.

Posted by: 13times at September 02, 2018 02:10 PM (K3B2k)

8 Aw, crap! I missed the car wash?

Posted by: rickl at September 02, 2018 02:10 PM (sdi6R)

9 It's agendas all the way down. But don't question their professionalism.

Posted by: joncelli of the Tribe of the Drunken Moose at September 02, 2018 02:10 PM (1FhAQ)

10 People who have been here since forever will ultimately not be denied citizenship. If you don't have an accent, you're going to stay. It's the people who can't speak a word of English and are obviously here fraudulently who will have to leave (under the best scenario I can envision). That's actually okay with me, assuming the border has finally been brought under control and the 40 million illegals have been reduced to 5 million or less.

Posted by: pep at September 02, 2018 02:11 PM (T6t7i)

11 Your link is all Yankeed up, CBD.

Posted by: bluebell at September 02, 2018 02:11 PM (JJZzu)

12 Is that

"as if this 'never' happens on our northern border"
?

Posted by: freaked at September 02, 2018 02:12 PM (UdKB7)

13 You know who else denied passports to "legal" citizens?

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at September 02, 2018 02:12 PM (pw+jk)

14 Thirst!

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 02, 2018 02:14 PM (LOYwX)

15 said Juan, who earns $13 an hour as a prison guard

Horse pucky. Texas prison guards start at $3,019.84 a month.

As truthful as the rest of the article...

Posted by: The ARC of History at September 02, 2018 02:15 PM (dlwIY)

16 I thought Juan Valdez was Guatamalen?

Posted by: garrett at September 02, 2018 02:16 PM (miuaa)

17 16
I thought Juan Valdez was Guatamalen?

Colombian.

Posted by: pep at September 02, 2018 02:16 PM (T6t7i)

18
said Juan, who earns $13 an hour as a prison guard

Horse pucky. Texas prison guards start at $3,019.84 a month.

As truthful as the rest of the article...

Maybe it's a Mexican prison?

Posted by: tu3031 at September 02, 2018 02:16 PM (jDF8P)

19 "It's long, but worth a read."

Yes to both.

Posted by: hogmartin at September 02, 2018 02:16 PM (y87Qq)

20 Maybe it's a Mexican prison?

Posted by: tu3031

Maybe it's one of those jails without bars, like on the Animal Crackers box.

Posted by: pep at September 02, 2018 02:17 PM (T6t7i)

21 "as if this 'never' happens on our northern border"

?

Posted by: freaked at September 02, 2018 02:12 PM (UdKB7)

I think that the way wrote it, without the use of "never", he means that the WaPo's implication is that it's only Hispanics being targeted. So if people born near the border with Canada are being asked for more paperwork to prove where they were born, it's only Hispanics.

Posted by: Vendette at September 02, 2018 02:17 PM (Ei31x)

22 People who have been here since forever will
ultimately not be denied citizenship. If you don't have an accent,
you're going to stay. It's the people who can't speak a word of English
and are obviously here fraudulently who will have to leave (under the
best scenario I can envision). That's actually okay with me, assuming
the border has finally been brought under control and the 40 million
illegals have been reduced to 5 million or less.

Posted by: pep at September 02, 2018 02:11 PM (T6t7i)

All illegals, even the ones that speak English well, do not have the right to be here. I think not having an accent is a stupid rule to use.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at September 02, 2018 02:18 PM (FTXAT)

23 the WaPo needs to be renamed and rebranded to "Chock Full O' Lies".

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 02, 2018 02:18 PM (mpXpK)

24
This post just scares the hell outa me.
This isn't about a few people who have fraudulent documentation. This affects (Gary Oldman Voice) EVERYONE.

Because of fraudulent claims of citizenship, everyone has to prove their citizenship status to the satisfaction of some federal/state/local bureaucrat.

Just getting a new driver's license is affected by this.
I'm looking at getting a US Passport for the first time just to prove my citizenship, and now I learn that even US Passports are suspect.

Posted by: Bitter Bendergash at September 02, 2018 02:18 PM (I9Sw7)

25 Maybe it's a Mexican prison?
Posted by: tu3031 at September 02, 2018 02:16 PM (jDF8P)

Joey, have you ever been in a... in a Mexican prison?

Posted by: Captain Oveur at September 02, 2018 02:18 PM (y87Qq)

26 This is a great piece, 2A Texan. Have you tried sending it to the Post? I know, I know - but you really should.

Posted by: bluebell at September 02, 2018 02:18 PM (JJZzu)

27 Wow, that's a lot of content, right there. I read it all.

Posted by: JoeF. at September 02, 2018 02:19 PM (NFEMn)

28 17
16

I thought Juan Valdez was Guatamalen?
Colombian

I remember those commercials. The man took about 60 seconds to contemplate and manipulate each bean. Dude, it's red.

At the rate he worked, it would have taken a full day to make a pound of coffee. I'll bet his kids were hungry.

Posted by: pep at September 02, 2018 02:19 PM (T6t7i)

29 his baptismal certificate

That part of Texas is intensely, intensely, Catholic.

If you were born there, it is almost certain that there will be contemporaneous Church records showing that you were baptized there.

Posted by: The ARC of History at September 02, 2018 02:20 PM (dlwIY)

30 Great thread.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 02, 2018 02:20 PM (0tfLf)

31 Thanks for putting all that knowledge on us. I read the whole thing.

Posted by: m at September 02, 2018 02:20 PM (CwOPz)

32 Diogenes! Stay here!

Posted by: bluebell at September 02, 2018 02:20 PM (JJZzu)

33
I thought Juan Valdez was Guatamalen?
Posted by: garrett at September 02, 2018 02:16 PM (miuaa)

The commercial Juan Valdez supposed to be Colombian, but to be honest, it is like saying "Bill Jones".

Bill Jones from Texas, or the one from Brisbane?

Posted by: Kindltot at September 02, 2018 02:21 PM (2K6fY)

34 At the rate he worked, it would have taken a full day to make a pound of coffee. I'll bet his kids were hungry.

The coffee was just a cover for his cocaine business.

Posted by: tu3031 at September 02, 2018 02:21 PM (jDF8P)

35 All illegals, even the ones that speak English well,
do not have the right to be here. I think not having an accent is a
stupid rule to use.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner

Perhaps, but if you started publicly arresting people who are clearly American by experience and upbringing and throwing them across the border to a country they don't even know, then you won't be in power long enough to enact your policy anyway. That strikes me as rather stupid and counterproductive.

Posted by: pep at September 02, 2018 02:23 PM (T6t7i)

36 You jerks are making me want to make coffee now. I shouldn't be starting a fresh pot of coffee at 2:30.

*makes coffee*

Posted by: hogmartin at September 02, 2018 02:23 PM (y87Qq)

37 The left will always tell you what they fear. Here they fear this moving over to voting documentation and taking away 4-5 million illegal alien votes. So sob story to derail the end of the line of honest elections.

Bezo's blog doesn't even try anymore.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at September 02, 2018 02:23 PM (pw+jk)

38 thnx CBD

the wapo-fukstix continue their phony baloney, sympathy ploy.

Posted by: concrete girl at September 02, 2018 02:23 PM (T2RPb)

39 nice meticulous analysis ... this is why Fake News (often) gets away with being so dishonest ... they wrap everything in layers of lies most people would not be able to unwrap on their own, not completely at least. Over time they build TheNarrative so most accept the fake news over the facts.

Of course government all too often also lies to US, so that complicates things.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 02, 2018 02:24 PM (Cus5s)

40 I'm looking at getting a US Passport for the first time just to prove my citizenship, and now I learn that even US Passports are suspect.

Posted by: Bitter Bendergash

We'll be using biometrics before long. Anything paper can be forged.

Posted by: pep at September 02, 2018 02:24 PM (T6t7i)

41 The only answer is to give Mysterious Gypsy Woman, full citizenship, Obamacare, and all the welfare there is. Oh and also invite in the whole expended family with all the goodies.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at September 02, 2018 02:26 PM (pw+jk)

42 I thought Juan Valdez was Guatamalen?
Posted by: garrett at September 02, 2018 02:16 PM (miuaa)

I'm pretty sure our poster boy for Trump's Nazism is Juan McCain. His parents named him that out of respect for that paragon of virtue, patriotism, honor, humility, and bipartisanship. Plus, Juan was known as "ice pick" in the joint for backstabbing prisoners he didn't like. Just like his hero.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at September 02, 2018 02:26 PM (9BLnV)

43 'Posted by: Vendette'

Yep I misread it.

Posted by: freaked at September 02, 2018 02:27 PM (UdKB7)

44 24. Nah. I used my expired US passport to get a replacement SS card. Prolly cause no history of midwife fraud in PA.

Posted by: kakisto at September 02, 2018 02:27 PM (PxqU/)

45 The left will always tell you what they fear. Here they fear this moving over to voting documentation and taking away 4-5 million illegal alien votes. So sob story to derail the end of the line of honest election
----------------------------------------------------------

This is it in a nutshell. You can practically smell the tears they are shedding over the lost votes.....

Posted by: JoeF. at September 02, 2018 02:27 PM (NFEMn)

46 3 years as a private? What a loser.

Posted by: Dick at September 02, 2018 02:28 PM (SRarZ)

47 46
3 years as a private? What a loser.

Posted by: Dick

Right? I've been one for going on 70 years.

Posted by: Beetle Bailey at September 02, 2018 02:29 PM (T6t7i)

48 24
This post just scares the hell outa me.
This isn't about a few people who have fraudulent documentation. This affects (Gary Oldman Voice) EVERYONE.

Because of fraudulent claims of citizenship, everyone has to prove their citizenship status to the satisfaction of some federal/state/local bureaucrat.

Posted by: Bitter Bendergash at September 02, 2018 02:18 PM (I9Sw7)

Sort of like after 9/11. Since targeting Muslims for extra scrutiny would be "discrimination" (and nothing is worse than "discrimination", even national suicide), therefore each and every American must be treated as a potential terrorist. Behold: The TSA.

Posted by: rickl at September 02, 2018 02:29 PM (sdi6R)

49 The only answer is to give Mysterious Gypsy Woman, full citizenship, Obamacare, and all the welfare there is. Oh and also invite in the whole expended family with all the goodies.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at September 02, 2018 02:26 PM (pw+jk)

This. Gypsies will do all the work that the White man won't. Like grift. Plus, they make a helluva sangria wine. America is jonesing for a good sangria wine.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at September 02, 2018 02:30 PM (9BLnV)

50 The Bezos Daily Worker is Amazon UnPrime.

Posted by: Captain Hate at September 02, 2018 02:31 PM (y7DUB)

51 Because of fraudulent claims of citizenship, everyone has to prove their citizenship status to the satisfaction of some federal/state/local bureaucrat.

Posted by: Bitter Bendergash at September 02, 2018 02:18 PM (I9Sw7)
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Not everyone. Just those who have birth certificates filed by people whom we know filed fraudulent birth certificates.

Posted by: bluebell at September 02, 2018 02:31 PM (JJZzu)

52 Admitting every risible flaw or twist in the WaPo's report, I concede some qualms about enforcement, past or present, focused on persons who were infants (in the tiny newborn sense) at the time of the fraud. I think there should be a limit to what the government can do to those then-infants.

more specifically, there should be an effective (however it is implemented) time limit on rejection and deportation of the innocent, in the range of seven to ten years. No such time limit should apply to medical practitioners, other officials, or parents who participate in the fraud.

Mysterious gypsy women who had certificates faked at their birth who have resided in the country and believe themselves citizens shouldn't lose their otherwise legally issued passports If the government is too incompetent or pokey to figure out the fraud in seven to ten years, and in fact accepts the birth certificate as legit at the time of entry into the military. can't figure it out by Then? My ou don't get to fuck things up for the kid. mom and dad? Sure, theynhave to pay any money they got back. They lose any "anchor" benefit. maybe they go to jail, for sure that should happen to midwives and doctors who make the bucks for scamming.

Posted by: SarahW at September 02, 2018 02:31 PM (Sp1NT)

53 BTW, my grandmother had a heck of a time establishing citizenship and born in the US to get a passport -- even though her father was serving US Army. Amazing that passport people could not imagine that someone was born on an Army outpost.

Again, for context, I sat on a jury that could not imagine someone without a bank account and how dare they keep cash in the house.

Posted by: mustbequantum at September 02, 2018 02:31 PM (MIKMs)

54 Perhaps, but if you started publicly arresting people who are clearly American by experience and upbringing and throwing them across the border to a country they don't even know

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFUFw1GH6ic

Posted by: The ARC of History at September 02, 2018 02:32 PM (dlwIY)

55 How's about the immigration paperwork of his parents.

Posted by: buzzion at September 02, 2018 02:32 PM (cAnNx)

56 Micro chips for everyone, that way Big Brother can keep track

Posted by: Skip at September 02, 2018 02:33 PM (T4oHT)

57 Resident Evil recently got her new, "Real ID" compliant CDL...

had to bring a certified copy of her BC to the DMV to get it.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 02, 2018 02:35 PM (LOYwX)

58 There I was with my immigration form
It's big enough to keep me warm
with the cold wind's blowing....
Please let me in
Immigration Man

Posted by: Graham Nash at September 02, 2018 02:36 PM (NFEMn)

59 It's almost as if the Border Patrol patrols the border and, say, ICE polices the interior. Almost.

Posted by: andycanuck at September 02, 2018 02:36 PM (Evws/)

60 the best sangria i ever had was after working hard for three long days at the garlic festival. fresh, sliced citrus and good italian red with just the right amount of sweetness. yummy.

Posted by: concrete girl at September 02, 2018 02:37 PM (T2RPb)

61 Here's something my neighbor just told me that did not show up on any of the news sites I go to every morning.

Gene Wilder died on Aug 29.

http://tinyurl.com/y9ezmgee

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 02, 2018 02:38 PM (mpXpK)

62
Alternate post title: Amnesty One Way Or Another

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 02, 2018 02:39 PM (4DEJp)

63 had to get replacement Birth Certificate. Went to state rep, paid money, got certificate. Because I was born in hospital where Doc didn't commit paperwork fraud.

Posted by: kallisto at September 02, 2018 02:39 PM (PxqU/)

64 "...after working hard for three long days at the garlic
festival..."

Posted by: concrete girl at September 02, 2018 02:37 PM (T2RPb)

Gilroy?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 02, 2018 02:40 PM (wYseH)

65 Here's something my neighbor just told me that did not show up on any of the news sites I go to every morning.

Gene Wilder died on Aug 29.

http://tinyurl.com/y9ezmgee

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 02, 2018 02:38 PM (mpXpK)

Sorry, Vic, he died in 2016.

Posted by: Vendette at September 02, 2018 02:40 PM (Ei31x)

66 61
Here's something my neighbor just told me that did not show up on any of the news sites I go to every morning.

Gene Wilder died on Aug 29.

In 2016.

Posted by: Beetle Bailey at September 02, 2018 02:40 PM (T6t7i)

67
61 Here's something my neighbor just told me that did not show up on any of the news sites I go to every morning.

Gene Wilder died on Aug 29.

http://tinyurl.com/y9ezmgee

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 02, 2018 02:38 PM (mpXpK)

Because it was in 2016

Posted by: buzzion at September 02, 2018 02:45 PM (cAnNx)

68 I remember those commercials. The man took about 60 seconds to contemplate and manipulate each bean. Dude, it's red.

At the rate he worked, it would have taken a full day to make a pound of coffee. I'll bet his kids were hungry.

Posted by: pep at September 02, 2018 02:19 PM (T6t7i)

But it was damn fine coffee.

Posted by: Minuteman at September 02, 2018 02:45 PM (1Pkk3)

69 So the Post hired that POS "journalist" from The Wire, go figure.

Posted by: auscolpyr at September 02, 2018 02:45 PM (oFsfu)

70 Perhaps, but if you started publicly arresting
people who are clearly American by experience and upbringing and
throwing them across the border to a country they don't even know, then
you won't be in power long enough to enact your policy anyway. That
strikes me as rather stupid and counterproductive.

Posted by: pep at September 02, 2018 02:23 PM (T6t7i)

I disagree... and a majority of Americans ALSO disagree or those "dreamers" would have had citizenship long ago. People who are not American at all certainly aren't "clearly American" and getting away with a crime for decades (even if that crime was committed by your parents on your behalf) does not mean the law should not be enforced when that crime is discovered.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at September 02, 2018 02:46 PM (FTXAT)

71 Ha, I'm watching Dane DeHaan in Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets and the boy looks like a peeled switch. Who thought this kid radiated "mad, bad, and dangerous to know"?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 02, 2018 02:47 PM (kQs4Y)

72 yes. my pop was one of the founders.

Posted by: concrete girl at September 02, 2018 02:47 PM (T2RPb)

73 I was born a Kraut-Slav Super Soldier. Beware of my power.

Posted by: Archer at September 02, 2018 02:47 PM (gmo/4)

74 Again, for context, I sat on a jury that could not imagine someone without a bank account and how dare they keep cash in the house.
Posted by: mustbequantum at September 02, 2018 02:31 PM (MIKMs)

Apparently very common in the ghetto. I've read about new NFL players who've never had a bank account, and who therefore show up for their first payday with a suitcase, thinking that they'll get $250,000 in cash.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with an added spark of divinity at September 02, 2018 02:47 PM (+m3mj)

75
Lemme guess - a cadet in the Border Patrol isn't issued neither the secret decoder ring nor the racist dog whistle?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 02, 2018 02:47 PM (XdWyA)

76 Because it was in 2016

Posted by: Amy Schumer at September 02, 2018 02:48 PM (QLvwG)

77 Because it was in 2016
Posted by: buzzion at September 02, 2018 02:45 PM (cAnNx)

Oh yeah? And how would YOU know when someone di-

Oh. Sorry, man. Really sorry.

Posted by: hogmartin at September 02, 2018 02:48 PM (y87Qq)

78 "mad, bad, and dangerous to know"?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 02, 2018 02:47 PM (kQs4Y)

Never heard of this fella before, but yeah, he is whisper thin, chock full of soy power.

Posted by: Pug Mahon,Turkey Volume Guessing Man! at September 02, 2018 02:49 PM (qZUUD)

79 71 Ha, I'm watching Dane DeHaan in Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets and the boy looks like a peeled switch. Who thought this kid radiated "mad, bad, and dangerous to know"?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 02, 2018 02:47 PM (kQs4Y)

I always thought like he was just finishing off a 3 day weekend heroin bender.

Posted by: buzzion at September 02, 2018 02:50 PM (cAnNx)

80 Excelling fisking of the ridiculous Bezos-owned WaPo.

Posted by: sinalco at September 02, 2018 02:50 PM (yODqO)

81 Immigration attys be Loving Trump, can't say it in public though.

Posted by: kallisto at September 02, 2018 02:50 PM (PxqU/)

82 Immigration? Nobody. Ever. Don't care. Fix your own damned country.

Posted by: Burger Chef at September 02, 2018 02:51 PM (RuIsu)

83 A little girl was talking to her teacher about whales. The teacher said it was physically impossible for a whale to swallow a human because
even though it was a very large mammal its throat was very small.

The little girl stated that Jonah was swallowed by a whale. Irritated, the teacher reiterated that a whale could not swallow a human; it was physically impossible.

The little girl said, "When I get to heaven I will ask Jonah." The teacher asked, "What if Jonah went to hell?" The little girl replied, "Then you ask him".

Posted by: Braenyard at September 02, 2018 02:51 PM (jcSzd)

84 There is at least one OB/GYN physician (I only personally know about this one, because I had the misfortune of working in one of the hospitals that this scumbag was, and still is, pulling his scam) in El Paso who had a thriving business bringing pregnant Mexican women across on Saturdays to Del Sol Medical Center, then making up whatever excuses he chooses to perform C-section deliveries of these Mexican citizens, for the express purpose of obtaining fraudulent US citizenship for these anchor babies. He takes cash, and the hospital administration is in on the scam, and protects him. He tries to browbeat the physicians caring for the 5-8 babies per Saturday that he delivers by C-section to ensure they are discharged before 48 hours, because the cash payment from the Mexican parents is only for that long. He was recently investigated for tax fraud, and surprise surprise surprise the corrupt El Paso system somehow decided this Mexican-trained but Texas licensed OB physician is as pure as the driven snow.

It is utterly disgusting and a rime example of why the border wall MUST be built.

Posted by: Pete at September 02, 2018 02:51 PM (wZ917)

85 I've read about new NFL players who've never had a bank account, and who therefore show up for their first payday with a suitcase, thinking that they'll get $250,000 in cash.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with an added spark of divinity at September 02, 2018 02:47 PM (+m3mj)

Same, also thinking that they'll be able to buy a nice house only to discover that they have absolutely no credit history. Not bad credit, actually no history whatsoever.

Posted by: hogmartin at September 02, 2018 02:51 PM (y87Qq)

86

Gene Hackman is dead?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 02, 2018 02:52 PM (ysAPx)

87
Gilroy?

... Gilmore, Liberatti, Pat Conway, The Great Creatore, W.C. Handy and John Philip Sousa all came to town on the very same historic day.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 02, 2018 02:52 PM (XdWyA)

88 Told you so.

Posted by: Murray Gell-Mann at September 02, 2018 02:53 PM (P1f+c)

89 The teacher asked, "What if Jonah went to hell?" The little girl replied, "Then you ask him".
Posted by: Braenyard at September 02, 2018 02:51 PM (jcSzd)

And that whale... was Albert Einstein.

Posted by: hogmartin at September 02, 2018 02:53 PM (y87Qq)

90 Never heard of this fella before, but yeah, he is whisper thin, chock full of soy power.
Posted by: Pug Mahon,Turkey Volume Guessing Man! at September 02, 2018 02:49 PM (qZUUD)
---
Well, he was great in Chronicle (creepy outcast) and Kill Your Darlings (manipulative pretty boy). I just don't think he's Super Leading Manwich material.

Also, apologies for going off-thread under 100. I just have nothing to contribute other than "trebuchet".

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 02, 2018 02:54 PM (kQs4Y)

91

True or False?

Gene Hackman was in Young Frankenstein.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 02, 2018 02:54 PM (ysAPx)

92 immigration attys trading in Chevys for Bimmers and finally can move to the correct zip code. They'd vote for TGE a dozen times if they could.

Posted by: kallisto at September 02, 2018 02:54 PM (PxqU/)

93 Mysterious gypsy women who had certificates faked
at their birth who have resided in the country and believe themselves
citizens shouldn't lose their otherwise legally issued passports If the
government is too incompetent or pokey to figure out the fraud in seven
to ten years, and in fact accepts the birth certificate as legit at the
time of entry into the military. can't figure it out by Then? My ou
don't get to fuck things up for the kid. mom and dad? Sure, theynhave
to pay any money they got back. They lose any "anchor" benefit. maybe
they go to jail, for sure that should happen to midwives and doctors who
make the bucks for scamming.

Posted by: SarahW at September 02, 2018 02:31 PM (Sp1NT)

Passports issued based on fraudulent are not legal. I think those people were totally screwed by their parents and by the medical professionals who were willing to commit fraud. That is not, however, the fault of the US or its citizens.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at September 02, 2018 02:55 PM (FTXAT)

94 True!

Cigar?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 02, 2018 02:56 PM (kQs4Y)

95 Spectacular beyond description, CBD, thanks so much for posting this.

This right here is an example of what can be done with almost every sentence of every bit of "news" in which Americans and others around the world marinate, 24/7.

Tendentious, inaccurate, dishonest, misinformed, dumb distortion of world events, all in the service of some ideological, racial, or political goal.

There was a time, after 9/11, where I and a few I know made an almost daily practice of fisking the fake sensation du jour to be found in the MSM. After a while, we just sort of gave up, it was never-ending. But the less sophistimicated people on the distribution lists often expressed their amazement at how distorted the "news" was, and how easy it was for people to demonstrate it, with off-the-cuff review of the "reporting".

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 02:56 PM (QDnY+)

96 Gene Hackman was in Young Frankenstein.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 02, 2018 02:54 PM (ysAPx)

Wait. Where are you going? I was going to make Espresso.

Posted by: auscolpyr at September 02, 2018 02:56 PM (oFsfu)

97

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Mario, youa dummy, Pedo Pope donta bugger no little boys anomore, da herpatsyphachancregonhorritis arotta off hisa dick!

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Anda da entire College of Cardinals!

*ROFLAO*

Posted by: Hot Time in the Old Vatican Tonight! at September 02, 2018 02:56 PM (38lts)

98 Sorry, Vic, he died in 2016.

Posted by: Vendette at September 02, 2018 02:40 PM (Ei31x)

You're right, just checked the date on that article it was 2016. No wonder I haven't seen anything about it.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 02, 2018 02:57 PM (mpXpK)

99 I disagree... and a majority of Americans ALSO disagree or those
"dreamers" would have had citizenship long ago. People who are not
American at all certainly aren't "clearly American" and getting away
with a crime for decades (even if that crime was committed by your
parents on your behalf) does not mean the law should not be enforced
when that crime is discovered.
Most people don't want a blanket amnesty. Most people don't want MS-13.

People who are not
American at all certainly aren't "clearly American"
Most people grasp the difference between a legal concept and a cultural one.

Posted by: pep at September 02, 2018 02:57 PM (T6t7i)

100 *Passports issued based on fraudulent documents are not legal.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at September 02, 2018 02:58 PM (FTXAT)

101 Apparently very common in the ghetto. I've read about new NFL players who've never had a bank account, and who therefore show up for their first payday with a suitcase, thinking that they'll get $250,000 in cash.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with an added spark of divinity at September 02, 2018 02:47 PM (+m3mj)

I don't believe it. They went to Kolleeg and got a phree edukation while helping their koach buy waterfront property and playing feetball.

They is smart is all.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 02, 2018 02:59 PM (EoRCO)

102 I think that people who colorably claim that they were not even aware that they were born in Mexico might be a good candidate for the idea of DACA, rather than people who are 24 but claim to be 16 and came in in 2005.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 02, 2018 03:00 PM (yQpMk)

103 84 well now's your chance to drop a dime on this bitch.

Posted by: kallisto at September 02, 2018 03:00 PM (PxqU/)

104 Even had a Morning Report link on 8-30-2016.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 02, 2018 03:00 PM (mpXpK)

105 This just in: Gene Wilder is still dead.

Posted by: Weekend News Update at September 02, 2018 03:00 PM (sdi6R)

106

But he *identified* as an American.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at September 02, 2018 03:00 PM (ysAPx)

107 Gene Hackman is dead?

He will be missed.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 02, 2018 03:02 PM (yQpMk)

108 Most people don't want a blanket amnesty. Most people don't want MS-13.

People who are not

American at all certainly aren't "clearly American"
Most people grasp the difference between a legal concept and a cultural one.

Posted by: pep at September 02, 2018 02:57 PM (T6t7i)

Most people do not want any amnesty at all... the DREAM ACT was targeted and was sold as only covering for the most sympathetic group of illegals... those brought here as children (including as newborns). It failed because people raised hell with the congressmen for even thinking about voting for it.

You do not become American by breaking into this country and evading detection for a long time.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at September 02, 2018 03:03 PM (FTXAT)

109 1) Spend five days lauding a man who delighted in telling people who didn't follow him to fuck off

2) Calling it 'unifying.'

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 02, 2018 03:03 PM (oVJmc)

110 I haven't turned on the TV today.

Have they buried him yet?

Posted by: Curious at September 02, 2018 03:03 PM (3iIjx)

111 It is utterly disgusting and a rime example of why the border wall MUST be built.

Posted by: Pete at September 02, 2018 02:51 PM (wZ917)

---
you should write up all the details and send them to PDT, with copies to the head of ICE, the IRS and Cruz, asking that they act.

don't bother with the DOJ though, at least until Sessions is fired.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 02, 2018 03:04 PM (LOYwX)

112 pjmedia- teen from New Mexico islamist compound says he was trained for jihad
My suspicion from day 1
https://tinyurl.com/y8f7kx2n

Posted by: Skip at September 02, 2018 03:04 PM (T4oHT)

113 En fuego!

Posted by: That Guy who expostulates "En fuego!" at September 02, 2018 03:06 PM (DMUuz)

114 Apparently very common in the ghetto. I've read about new NFL players
who've never had a bank account, and who therefore show up for their
first payday with a suitcase, thinking that they'll get $250,000 in
cash.

=====

Since my 'homies' were old farmers, I'll tell you the same thing. One of the ex-grandparents died with $3mil in a safe deposit box. WTH? Older people are not comfortable with the 24/7 online stuff.

Posted by: mustbequantum at September 02, 2018 03:06 PM (MIKMs)

115 Sitting on the deck at the cottage between two lefties, SIL and her best friend. Best friend had plans to attend the pussy hat march in Washington but had to back out due to a health concern. SIL loved Obama and wanted Hillary to win. That's for perspective.
They are discussing McCains funeral with reverence. Hoping they can find video of Meghan's tribute to her dad.
Committed leftists. This says a lot about who McCain the politician was. Statesman my Aunt Fanny's fanny. He was dem lite.

Posted by: never enough caffeine at September 02, 2018 03:07 PM (5vDKw)

116 time to grill some bacon wrapped hot dogs for lunch and get some chores done...

so as to earn my evening canoe sex beer.

BBL...

as if anyone gives a shit.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 02, 2018 03:08 PM (LOYwX)

117
I haven't turned on the TV today.
Have they buried him yet?
Posted by: Curious

Buried in 2016

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 02, 2018 03:08 PM (IqV8l)

118 The link is no longer maple-syruped, CBD.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 02, 2018 03:08 PM (DMUuz)

119 Fake documents are what makes third world countries work. The are not a high trust society so everything has to have paperwork behind it with an official stamp. These documents have to be presented within the country at times and places Americans aren't used to.

So even as the documents and IDs and certificates proliferate their value as being a valid representation of fact decreases, leading to additional documents to provide validation.

With all these documents abounding in people's everyday lives the burden of obtaining and maintaining the documents approaches the point where to correctly go tho all the offices and get all the stamps and have all the correct supporting documents is of greater cost than to lie and/or just pay someone to make the document the way you want it.

I knew a woman in another country who's son had a birth certificate for a town different from his actual city of birth. Since the city where he was born was far away it was a matter of practicality for the woman's lifetime if not for the son because they would always have to go to a notary in the place he was born to obtain new documents.

Also documents in other countries have a shelf life. After 90 days the date of the notary is expired and the document is null and void. One must then go, in person, to the office of the notary where the document originated to get a new, fresh copy.

Posted by: Minuteman at September 02, 2018 03:08 PM (1Pkk3)

120 Admitting every risible flaw or twist in the WaPo's report, I concede some qualms about enforcement, past or present, focused on persons who were infants (in the tiny newborn sense) at the time of the fraud. I think there should be a limit to what the government can do to those then-infants.

more specifically, there should be an effective (however it is implemented) time limit on rejection and deportation of the innocent, in the range of seven to ten years. No such time limit should apply to medical practitioners, other officials, or parents who participate in the fraud.

Posted by: SarahW at September 02, 2018 02:31 PM (Sp1NT)

You are trying to tie an abstract situation to a real world problem. The first attribution of this philosophy seems to have been from Voltaire in 1749:

"That generous Maxim, that tis much more prudence, to acquit two persons, tho' actually guilty, than to pass sentence of condemnation on one who is virtuous and innocent."

We next have Blackstone, in his Commentaries, 1783:

"For the Law holds, that it is better that 10 guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer."

Then we have old Ben Franklin in 1785 saying:

"That it is better 100 guilty persons should escape than that one innocent person should suffer, is a maximum that has been long and generally approved."

Notice that we start with 2 guilty, go up to 10, and finally to 100. I think you should notice that those are rather small numbers and were quoted in times where the populace was relatively moral, or at least were afraid of God. The numbers now are in the millions, and people don't give a shit about morals. The concept also depends on the Presumption of Innocence. It requires a very high-trust society to work in. We no longer live in one of these. It is inherent in White societies, but not so much in others, and not at all in mixed societies. I hate to say it, but I would rather one innocent get expelled than have 6 million stay. It is great to have principles, but like cuckservativism, principles that completely ignore reality are absolutely worthless. Even worse, they result in the destruction of your society.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at September 02, 2018 03:08 PM (9BLnV)

121 Leaving aside the question of what what is politically possible, ALL illegals should be deported.

I don't care if mommy brought you here when you were a baby and you've grown up here and speak perfect English.

The Left always likes to use radically individualistic arguments in pursuit of its collectivist dreams. Let's not be fooled by this.

The little kid may be innocent but the parent is not.
And no man is an island. When you reward the kid, you have handsomely rewarded the parent. (The vast majority of parents care as much about their kids' prospects as their own, if not more.)

Parents who do things the legal way should be rewarded and a major reward---often THE major reward --- is having your kids be legal too.
Those who border-jump should be punished. Period.

And, dear Lord, do I hate "birthright" citizenship.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 02, 2018 03:08 PM (0jtPF)

122
115 Sitting on the deck at the cottage between two lefties, SIL and her best friend. Best friend had plans to attend the pussy hat march in Washington but had to back out due to a health concern. SIL loved Obama and wanted Hillary to win. That's for perspective.
They are discussing McCains funeral with reverence. Hoping they can find video of Meghan's tribute to her dad.
Committed leftists. This says a lot about who McCain the politician was. Statesman my Aunt Fanny's fanny. He was dem lite.

Posted by: never enough caffeine at September 02, 2018 03:07 PM (5vDKw)

On Meghan McCain: The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. And you're not gonna get good fruit when the tree itself was rotten.

Posted by: buzzion at September 02, 2018 03:09 PM (cAnNx)

123 Since my 'homies' were old farmers, I'll tell you
the same thing. One of the ex-grandparents died with $3mil in a safe
deposit box. WTH? Older people are not comfortable with the 24/7 online
stuff.

Posted by: mustbequantum at September 02, 2018 03:06 PM (MIKMs)

There are lots of reasons that people might opt out of the banking economy... for older people, it is usually that they were children during the Great Depression.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at September 02, 2018 03:09 PM (FTXAT)

124 I was aghast when I found out about the change on the birth certificate.

Posted by: Minuteman at September 02, 2018 03:09 PM (1Pkk3)

125 Most people do not want any amnesty at all... the DREAM ACT was targeted
and was sold as only covering for the most sympathetic group of
illegals... those brought here as children (including as newborns). It
failed because people raised hell with the congressmen for even thinking
about voting for it.
That's an argument for being honest about who is covered by DACA, and not trying to use it for partisan gain. It failed because the Dems couldn't resist trying to exploit DACA and everything else to benefit themselves.

You do not become American by breaking into this country and evading detection for a long time.
Those damn Mexican newborns, crossing the desert and stowing away in tractor trailers. Take away their woobies!

Posted by: pep at September 02, 2018 03:09 PM (T6t7i)

126 They are discussing McCains funeral with reverence. Hoping they can find video of Meghan's tribute to her dad.
Committed leftists. This says a lot about who McCain the politician was. Statesman my Aunt Fanny's fanny. He was dem lite.
Posted by: never enough caffeine at September 02, 2018 03:07 PM (5vDKw)

------------

Just for fun, ask them who on their side of the aisle regularly crosses over like that. Make them name their "Great Statesman".

Posted by: Calm Mentor at September 02, 2018 03:11 PM (I16G8)

127 We would have done much to help someone have a baby at Fort Courage.

Posted by: F Troop at September 02, 2018 03:12 PM (DMUuz)

128 We always used to go to Canada to visit relatives so my parents needed naturalization papers to cross the border. One year grandmom forgot her docs but the nice Canuck let us through. Back then the US side just used to wave you through if they saw US plates.

Posted by: kallisto at September 02, 2018 03:12 PM (PxqU/)

129 Blazing Saddles was one of the funniest movies of all time and it could not be made today.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 02, 2018 03:13 PM (mpXpK)

130 Since my 'homies' were old farmers, I'll tell you the same thing. One of the ex-grandparents died with $3mil in a safe deposit box. WTH? Older people are not comfortable with the 24/7 online stuff.
Posted by: mustbequantum at September 02, 2018 03:06 PM (MIKMs)
---
I think it's more of a Great Depression-era fear of the banks failing or confiscating one's money.

A few years back there were ads for beds with big lock boxes under the mattress. This was around the time there were rumors of the government confiscating retirement accounts (I think this was in Europe).

It sounds crackpot until it isn't.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 02, 2018 03:13 PM (kQs4Y)

131 I always chuckle at the "dreamer" crap.
Typical leftist Doublespeak.
On the one hand, we are supposed to think the kids come here dreaming of a better life.
OTOH, they didn't come here purposefully at all. Mommy brought them. They had no part in the decision, which makes them innocent.

Make up your mind.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 02, 2018 03:13 PM (0jtPF)

132 Most people do not want any amnesty at all...
Hmmmm, I'll just leave this here.

Most voters favor the immigration reform plan detailed by President Trump in his SOU speech, and think it's likely to finally produce a secure southern border. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 52% of likely US voters favor a proposal that would create a pathway to citizenship for those brought to this country illegally when they were children, build a wall on the Mexican border and change legal immigration to a more merit-based system.

Posted by: pep at September 02, 2018 03:15 PM (T6t7i)

133 Their is a place in the story to use the word "alleged."
Here would work.

"Diez represents dozens of {alleged} U.S. citizens..."

Posted by: geoffb at September 02, 2018 03:16 PM (zOpu5)

134 The media continues to soak in gasoline with the apparent intention of immolating themselves.

Posted by: Northernlurker at September 02, 2018 03:16 PM (eAMlh)

135 I would have to think that a kid brought here as a baby will, yes, speak English, but will also probably have Spanish spoken at home. So were he to be sent back to Mexico with his parents, he will not be utterly lost at sea in a strange culture.

But I do have some sympathy for him. It's not his fault.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 02, 2018 03:17 PM (kQs4Y)

136 That's an argument for being honest about who is
covered by DACA, and not trying to use it for partisan gain. It failed
because the Dems couldn't resist trying to exploit DACA and everything
else to benefit themselves.

You do not become American by breaking into this country and evading detection for a long time.
Those damn Mexican newborns, crossing the desert and stowing away in tractor trailers. Take away their woobies!

Posted by: pep at September 02, 2018 03:09 PM (T6t7i)

That their parents brought them illegally (or didn't bring them at all but instead obtained false documents for them even though they continued to live in Mexico) does not make their presence or those documents legal. They don't get to benefit from their parents crime and THEIR crime of continuing to be here illegally once they are adults (or continuing to try and use falsified documents once they knew they were falsified).

They are, of course welcome to take their woobies with them when they return to the countries that are actually theirs... where they actually have citizenship.

On DACA, two words... Eric Cantor.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at September 02, 2018 03:17 PM (FTXAT)

137 The Narrative > Truth

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 02, 2018 03:18 PM (+tv2S)

138 126---Just for fun, ask them who on their side of the aisle regularly crosses over like that. Make them name their "Great Statesman".
Posted by: Calm Mentor at September 02, 2018 03:11 PM (I16G

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Well, back in the olden days when Chimpy Bushitler was a war criminal, Lieberman was an aisle crosser re the war.

Oddly though, he was not considered a "Great Statesman" for this. He was drummed out of the Party.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 02, 2018 03:18 PM (0jtPF)

139 Now McCain signed the Declaration of Magna Carta. Carried Moses' golf bag. Put his finger in some dyke. Invented wearing hats backwards. Told Lassie that Timmy fell in the well, again. Gave CSN&Y a lift to Woodstock. Invented shade and swizzle sticks.

Posted by: Burger Chef at September 02, 2018 03:18 PM (RuIsu)

140 And, dear Lord, do I hate "birthright" citizenship.

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Not as much as I despise 'dual' citizenship.

When someone becomes an adult, say 21yo for discussion purposes, declare your citizenship. No dual loyalties.

Posted by: mustbequantum at September 02, 2018 03:19 PM (MIKMs)

141 I think the northern border is more strictly enforced now.

Posted by: kallisto at September 02, 2018 03:19 PM (PxqU/)

142 This terrifying tale only reinforces the fact that in TrumpAmerica, all Juans are under attack.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 02, 2018 03:20 PM (+tv2S)

143 Calm Mentor. Nope. Will not talk politics or religion with them. Not worth the heartburn. I'm not going to change them or will they change me. I started out a dem and will never go back. They're in their 70's and have always been this way. Just more progressive with age. One is family that I need to live around. Won't cause trouble in the family unless she starts it.

Posted by: never enough caffeine at September 02, 2018 03:20 PM (5vDKw)

144 Who benefits from turning the two funerals into Star Wars bar scenes?

Posted by: Northernlurker at September 02, 2018 03:20 PM (eAMlh)

145 Most people do not want any amnesty at all...
Hmmmm, I'll just leave this here.

Most
voters favor the immigration reform plan detailed by President Trump in
his SOU speech, and think it's likely to finally produce a secure
southern border. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and
online survey finds that 52% of likely US voters favor a proposal that
would create a pathway to citizenship for those brought to this country
illegally when they were children, build a wall on the Mexican border
and change legal immigration to a more merit-based system.

Posted by: pep at September 02, 2018 03:15 PM (T6t7i)

Polls have consistently said that for decades and yet politicians still know that third rail will kill their political careers. When you want to know how people truly feel, you look at their actions not their words. Economists call that revealed preferences.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at September 02, 2018 03:21 PM (FTXAT)

146 said Juan, who earns $13 an hour as a prison guard

Horse pucky. Texas prison guards start at $3,019.84 a month.

As truthful as the rest of the article...

Maybe it's a Mexican prison?
Posted by: tu3031 at September 02, 2018 02:16 PM (jDF8P)

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Yeah, that's when I knew the guy was a liar.

Here where I live, prison guards make as much as I do, but, far as I'm concerned, they can make more, because "prison guard" definitely falls under the heading of "job this American won't do."

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at September 02, 2018 03:21 PM (WEBkv)

147 Oh. I believe their great statesman was probably Teddy. Another fine human being. The lion of the Senate.

Posted by: never enough caffeine at September 02, 2018 03:22 PM (5vDKw)

148 John McCain - still dead

Megan McCain - still fat

Posted by: Rick in SK at September 02, 2018 03:22 PM (K2T58)

149 As far as the joke about the teacher, the student, Jonah and the whale, that was cute. However, the word got translated as "whale". The is not the word in the original language:

https://tinyurl.com/o6xb3w6

Yes, it's a word on apologetics, So sue me; I am not going to post something from an the Atheist site. :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 02, 2018 03:22 PM (AllCR)

150 I was going to get dual citizenship when I used to travel to Yurp all the time because the Customs lines for Americans used to move so slow.

Posted by: kallisto at September 02, 2018 03:23 PM (PxqU/)

151 Well, back in the olden days when Chimpy Bushitler was a war criminal, Lieberman was an aisle crosser re the war.

Oddly though, he was not considered a "Great Statesman" for this. He was drummed out of the Party.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 02, 2018 03:18 PM (0jtPF)

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That was my point. Those who think McStain was such a great statesman will not be able to name anyone on the Left who crosses over, except possibly Manchin. They have purified their party to hard Lefties only.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at September 02, 2018 03:23 PM (I16G8)

152 We are a country of law or we are not, Enforce the law. You are a citizen by birth place or parentage (or naturalization). If not you are not a citizen. Easy.

That is all.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at September 02, 2018 03:24 PM (0OmEj)

153 But I do have some sympathy for him. It's not his fault.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 02, 2018 03:17 PM (kQs4Y)

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Stories like this always grind on me because reporters will never assign blame where it belongs, which, in this case, is the parents.

Same with the "children separated at the border" crap. Hello, don't try to cross the border illegally, don't get separated from your children. Pretty simple, actually.

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at September 02, 2018 03:24 PM (WEBkv)

154 128
Back then the US side just used to wave you through if they saw US plates.
Posted by: kallisto at September 02, 2018 03:12 PM (PxqU/)

Back then the US was a "high trust" society as mentioned above.

Gee, I wonder what happened to change that. Could it be... Diversity?

Posted by: rickl at September 02, 2018 03:24 PM (sdi6R)

155 Maybe he decided not to join the Border Patrol after finding out that they have the highest rate of duicide of any Fedrral department.

Posted by: Comrade at September 02, 2018 03:25 PM (wSVpn)

156 Stories like this always grind on me because
reporters will never assign blame where it belongs, which, in this case,
is the parents.

Same with the "children separated at the border" crap. Hello, don't
try to cross the border illegally, don't get separated from your
children. Pretty simple, actually.

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at September 02, 2018 03:24 PM (WEBkv)

US citizens don't get to keep their children in jail either.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at September 02, 2018 03:26 PM (FTXAT)

157 Yeah, that's when I knew the guy was a liar.

Here where I live, prison guards make as much as I do, but, far as
I'm concerned, they can make more, because "prison guard" definitely
falls under the heading of "job this American won't do."

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at September 02, 2018 03:21 PM (WEBkv)

In the aftermath of the housing crash the WaPo would publish stories of people who lost their houses as a result. One featured a couple living in the NoVa suburbs who bought a McMansion for $659,000, never made a payment, and lost the house. He was a garbage truck driver, she cleaned houses.

The story was meant to show them in a sympathetic light. The comments were chock-full of incredulity.

Posted by: Vendette at September 02, 2018 03:26 PM (Ei31x)

158 149 As far as the joke about the teacher, the student, Jonah and the whale, that was cute. However, the word got translated as "whale". The is not the word in the original language:

https://tinyurl.com/o6xb3w6

Yes, it's a word on apologetics, So sue me; I am not going to post something from an the Atheist site. :^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 02, 2018 03:22 PM (AllCR)

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I don't remember if I've mentioned this before, but I think the "Book of Jonah" is hilarious.

I mean, seriously, Jonah thought he could run away from God?

Always makes me laugh, though I know there's a serious message.

That and Adam hiding from God in the Garden.

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at September 02, 2018 03:27 PM (WEBkv)

159 150 I was going to get dual citizenship when I used to travel to Yurp all the time because the Customs lines for Americans used to move so slow.
Posted by: kallisto at September 02, 2018 03:23 PM (PxqU/)

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I hear the French are pretty tough but the Italicans will take anyone.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 02, 2018 03:27 PM (+tv2S)

160 Six of Juan, half a dozen of his mothers.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 02, 2018 03:27 PM (IqV8l)

161 https://tinyurl.com/o6xb3w6

Yes, it's a word on apologetics, So sue me; I am not going to post something from an the Atheist site. :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 02, 2018 03:22 PM (AllCR)

So, Einstein was a big sea creature.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 02, 2018 03:27 PM (jcSzd)

162 Calm Mentor. Nope. Will not talk politics or religion with them. Not worth the heartburn. I'm not going to change them or will they change me. I started out a dem and will never go back. They're in their 70's and have always been this way. Just more progressive with age. One is family that I need to live around. Won't cause trouble in the family unless she starts it.
Posted by: never enough caffeine at September 02, 2018 03:20 PM (5vDKw)

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Can't say as I blame you there. I was born and raised in Chicago, but left 32 years ago. The rest of my family stayed. We do not discuss politics, ever.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at September 02, 2018 03:27 PM (I16G8)

163 135. if it's not his fault they can assign him permanent resident status so he at least doesn't get deported.

Posted by: kallisto at September 02, 2018 03:27 PM (PxqU/)

164 Always makes me laugh, though I know there's a serious message.

That and Adam hiding from God in the Garden.
Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at September 02, 2018 03:27 PM (WEBkv)
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Like when my cat would "hide" behind the curtain but his big fat tail was sticking out.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 02, 2018 03:28 PM (kQs4Y)

165 Gee, I always thought "investigative journalism" involved something more than just parroting back the story of the guy who has an obvious stake in the situation.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 02, 2018 03:28 PM (+tv2S)

166 That was my point. Those who think McStain was
such a great statesman will not be able to name anyone on the Left who
crosses over, except possibly Manchin. They have purified their party to
hard Lefties only.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at September 02, 2018 03:23 PM (I16G

If I had to name someone who had no problem crossing over it would be Zell Miller, the GA Dem who was appointed to the Senate after Republican Paul Coverdell died, had a prime speaking slot at the 2004 GOP convention, and went at it with Chris Matthews.

Posted by: Vendette at September 02, 2018 03:29 PM (Ei31x)

167 Polls have consistently said that for decades and yet politicians still
know that third rail will kill their political careers. When you want to
know how people truly feel, you look at their actions not their words.
Economists call that revealed preferences.

I see. You make a claim, and when that's shown to be false, you say ignore the evidence. Convenient.

Posted by: pep at September 02, 2018 03:30 PM (T6t7i)

168 I hear the French are pretty tough but the Italicans will take anyone.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 02, 2018 03:27 PM (+tv2S)
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Are the Wops trying to repatriate the diaspora?

*ponders*

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 02, 2018 03:30 PM (kQs4Y)

169 Like when my cat would "hide" behind the curtain but his big fat tail was sticking out.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 02, 2018 03:28 PM (kQs4Y)

His name is James?

Posted by: Braenyard at September 02, 2018 03:30 PM (jcSzd)

170 US citizens don't get to keep their children in jail either.
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at September 02, 2018 03:26 PM (FTXAT)

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I wait for the crack investigative team at the Post to get right on that story.

Sounds like injustice to me!

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at September 02, 2018 03:30 PM (WEBkv)

171
"We have a narrative to maintain." - MSM

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 02, 2018 03:31 PM (LsBY9)

172 Benedict Arnold was great American who wasn't afraid to cross the aisle when his conscience required it.

-- This Is CNN

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 02, 2018 03:31 PM (+tv2S)

173 135. if it's not his fault they can assign him permanent resident status so he at least doesn't get deported.

Posted by: kallisto at September 02, 2018 03:27 PM (PxqU/)

Whether its his fault or not, he is still illegal and should be deported. Sending someone back to their own country is not a punishment. The punishment that he should not get is being sent to jail for fraud that he did not himself commit as a child.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at September 02, 2018 03:31 PM (FTXAT)

174 159. I don't know what current status is. Farthest I've traveled in ten years is Florida! I'll have to ask cousin, he goes to Italy every year.

Posted by: kallisto at September 02, 2018 03:32 PM (PxqU/)

175 Any morons thinking of becoming a BP agent ? Serving your country ??
Ace?? I know how you feel about border protection so join up

Posted by: Comrade at September 02, 2018 03:32 PM (wSVpn)

176 Most voters favor the immigration reform plan detailed by President Trump in his SOU speech, and think it's likely to finally produce a secure southern border. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 52% of likely US voters favor a proposal that would create a pathway to citizenship for those brought to this country illegally when they were children, build a wall on the Mexican border and change legal immigration to a more merit-based system.

Why lump those together? I am in favor of a wall, disinclined to give away citizenship and am opposed to all immigration, legal, even "merit based" unless the merit is extreme, as well as illegal.

The country's full. The moose out fron t should have told ya.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 02, 2018 03:32 PM (yQpMk)

177 Are the Wops trying to repatriate the diaspora?

*ponders*
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 02, 2018 03:30 PM (kQs4Y)

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A Guido is part of the essence of all men.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 02, 2018 03:32 PM (+tv2S)

178
Has anyone looked at the Serbian influx into this country? Not to mention the Lithuanians. And those Phoenician bastards! They all legit?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 02, 2018 03:33 PM (LsBY9)

179 STFU, Dunce.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 02, 2018 03:33 PM (yQpMk)

180 Polls have consistently said that for decades and yet politicians still

know that third rail will kill their political careers. When you want to

know how people truly feel, you look at their actions not their words.

Economists call that revealed preferences.

I see. You make a claim, and when that's shown to be false, you say ignore the evidence. Convenient.

Posted by: pep at September 02, 2018 03:30 PM (T6t7i)

Poll results do not prove my claim false, pep. If they were capable of doing such a thing, Hillary would be President.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at September 02, 2018 03:33 PM (FTXAT)

181 "Diez represents dozens of U.S. citizens who were denied their passports"

Funny how "alleged" (as in "alleged citizens") *NEVER* makes it into THESE phrases, but it's INSISTED upon by the journos whenever the rapist was caught on camera, with his face clearly seen, is written about.

Posted by: GWB at September 02, 2018 03:33 PM (zmhr6)

182 Passports issued based on fraudulent are not legal. I think those people were totally screwed by their parents and by the medical professionals who were willing to commit fraud. That is not, however, the fault of the US or its citizens.
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at September 02, 2018 02:55 PM (FTXAT)

When a person is notified that their citizenship is fraudulent the person commiting the fraud should be published in English and Spanish in the documents invalidating their status:

Mr. Juan Valdez,

The person authorized to attest for the date and location of your birth, Juanita Lupe Gomez Rodriguez at 29003 Caesar Chavez Blvd,. Apt 207, Corpus Christi, TX 69843 SSN 784-34-2219, has been found to have misrepresented the facts of birth on official State documents. Juanita Lupe Gomez Rodriguez at 29003 Caesar Chavez Blvd,. Apt 207, Corpus Christi, TX 69843 SSN 784-34-2219 has rendered all State records with her affirming signature, Juanita Lupe Gomez Rodriguez, null and void.

Since your birth certificate was signed by Juanita Lupe Gomez Rodriguez at 29003 Caesar Chavez Blvd,. Apt 207, Corpus Christi, TX 69843 SSN 784-34-2219, your birth certificate has been rendered null and void.

All interactions and documents depending upon a valid birth certificate on your part are also rendered null and void.

Any questions as to how this could happen should be addressed to:

Juanita Lupe Gomez Rodriguez at 29003 Caesar Chavez Blvd,. Apt 207, Corpus Christi, TX 69843 SSN 784-34-2219.

Be advised that any suggestions from Juanita Lupe Gomez Rodriguez at 29003 Caesar Chavez Blvd,. Apt 207, Corpus Christi, TX 69843 SSN 784-34-2219 on how to correct this should be considered with a great amount of suspicion since Juanita Lupe Gomez Rodriguez at 29003 Caesar Chavez Blvd,. Apt 207, Corpus Christi, TX 69843 SSN 784-34-2219 has been found to be a person unconcerned with the truth.

Good Luck,

Texas Department of Vital Statistics

Posted by: Minuteman at September 02, 2018 03:33 PM (1Pkk3)

183 "It is unclear why..." insert mystery statement here.

This is WaPo speak (media speak actually) which means we couldn't be bothered to do the digging because it was almost Happy Hour at The local bar.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 02, 2018 03:33 PM (0tfLf)

184 Heh. Geoffb beat me to it.

Posted by: GWB at September 02, 2018 03:34 PM (zmhr6)

185 If I had to name someone who had no problem crossing over it would be Zell Miller, the GA Dem who was appointed to the Senate after Republican Paul Coverdell died, had a prime speaking slot at the 2004 GOP convention, and went at it with Chris Matthews.
Posted by: Vendette at September 02, 2018 03:29 PM (Ei31x)

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Point taken and agreed. I live in GA and he was really the last old school, Blue Dog Dem. However, he's been gone for 13 years.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at September 02, 2018 03:34 PM (I16G8)

186 145 Most people do not want any amnesty at all...
Hmmmm, I'll just leave this here.

Most
voters favor the immigration reform plan detailed by President Trump in
his SOU speech, and think it's likely to finally produce a secure
southern border. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and
online survey finds that 52% of likely US voters favor a proposal that
would create a pathway to citizenship for those brought to this country
illegally when they were children, build a wall on the Mexican border
and change legal immigration to a more merit-based system.

Posted by: pep at September 02, 2018 03:15 PM (T6t7i)

Polls have consistently said that for decades and yet politicians still know that third rail will kill their political careers. When you want to know how people truly feel, you look at their actions not their words. Economists call that revealed preferences.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at September 02, 2018 03:21 PM (FTXAT)

Pep is also playing a game there with that. He's using the polling of Americans favoring this compromise that includes border enforcement as well to claim the point that Americans are cool with the "Dreamers." So people are willing to compromise on them IF, and the IF is incredibly important, we actually start enforcing and protecting our border so more of these "Dreamers" don't continue coming through.

If it were like what pep was trying to push there would be no need for those other two conditions of a border law and stricter immigration controls.

Posted by: buzzion at September 02, 2018 03:34 PM (cAnNx)

187 Polls have consistently said that for decades and yet politicians still know that third rail will kill their political careers. When you want to know how people truly feel, you look at their actions not their words. Economists call that revealed preferences.
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at September 02, 2018 03:21 PM (FTXAT)
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Career before country!

And politicians wonder why a lot of people rate whale poop higher than congress.

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at September 02, 2018 03:34 PM (WEBkv)

188 Posted by: Comrade at September 02, 2018 03:32 PM (wSVpn)

How is that fistula healing? I know your mom's boyfriend is rough, so maybe you should use more KY....

Just a thought.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 02, 2018 03:34 PM (wYseH)

189 God said to Abraham "Kill me your son"
Abe said "Man, you must be putting me on"
God said "No"
Abe said "What"
God said "You can do what you want, Abe, but
The next time you see me coming you better run"

Posted by: Bob Dylan at September 02, 2018 03:35 PM (sdi6R)

190 Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at September 02, 2018 03:27 PM (WEBkv)

It is amusing. However, we probably all have times when we think we can hide-or want to hide from God. Todays Gospel passage death with the Pharisees who think that because they put on good show outside, God doesn't know their heart.

I like the book of Jonah for quite a number of reasons.One of which he very humanely wants Nineveh to be slammed and then gets in a angry snit because they actually repent and God doesn't slam them. The prophets are very interesting figures.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 02, 2018 03:35 PM (AllCR)

191 Isnt't it the 72nd Ammendment that guarantees every human being on earth a US passport?

Posted by: #neverskankles at September 02, 2018 03:35 PM (/hhy7)

192 Yes, Gene Hackman was in Young Frankenstein. He was the local sherif whose beat the shit out of the monster for killing a couple of Cowboys. Then Gene Wilder got drunk and shot the holy hell out of everybody. No wait, that was the French Connection. Never mind.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 02, 2018 03:36 PM (gC2IV)

193 190-meand 'deals' with

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 02, 2018 03:36 PM (AllCR)

194 Welcome, Comrade Troll. Inspire the Horde with tales of the wonders of living under socialism. You may begin with Caracas.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 02, 2018 03:36 PM (+tv2S)

195 Sending an adult person who has been raised in the US thinking he is a US citizen and now discovering that he is not a citizen to, what to him is, a foreign country (Mexico pos) might be considered cruel or unusual punishment.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 02, 2018 03:36 PM (jcSzd)

196 Point taken and agreed. I live in GA and he was really the last old school, Blue Dog Dem. However, he's been gone for 13 years.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at September 02, 2018 03:34 PM (I16G

Very true. These days you'll get Dems who will cross over on certain issues because they know they need to do so, but no one on the level of Zell.

Posted by: Vendette at September 02, 2018 03:37 PM (Ei31x)

197 "it has thrown legal permanent residents out of the military"

Ummm, you stick with that lie, WaPo. But we all read the fiskings of that crap and know it to be a lie.

Posted by: GWB at September 02, 2018 03:37 PM (zmhr6)

198 140---When someone becomes an adult, say 21yo for discussion purposes, declare your citizenship. No dual loyalties.

Posted by: mustbequantum at September 02, 2018 03:19 PM (MIKMs)
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THIS.
Now, if another country wants to recognize you as a citizen even if you have renounced it, fine. That's their business. Nothing the US can do about it.

But the minute you act on that by, say, getting a foreign passport or voting in a foreign election, you should be fricasseed. And if you are a naturalized US citizen, your citizenship should be revoked.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 02, 2018 03:37 PM (0jtPF)

199 The prophets are very interesting figures.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 02, 2018 03:35 PM (AllCR)

In the biblical sense.

Posted by: hogmartin at September 02, 2018 03:37 PM (y87Qq)

200 Has anyone looked at the Serbian influx into this country? Not to mention the Lithuanians. And those Phoenician bastards! They all legit?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 02, 2018 03:33 PM (LsBY9)

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Phoenicians > Uzbeks

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 02, 2018 03:38 PM (+tv2S)

201 192
Yes, Gene Hackman was in Young Frankenstein.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 02, 2018 03:36 PM (gC2IV)

He was Hot Soup Guy.

Posted by: GWB at September 02, 2018 03:38 PM (zmhr6)

202 183 "It is unclear why..." insert mystery statement here.

This is WaPo speak (media speak actually) which means we couldn't be bothered to do the digging because it was almost Happy Hour at The local bar.
Posted by: Diogenes at September 02, 2018 03:33 PM (0tfLf)
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This level of willful ambiguity is almost on par with Mr. Spock on "In Search Of...".

"Could it be that [X phenomenon] is caused by [aliens/ black holes/ the preserved head of Hitler]?"

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 02, 2018 03:39 PM (kQs4Y)

203
He was Hot Soup Guy.
Posted by: GWB at September 02, 2018 03:38 PM (zmhr6)

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Wait. Where are you going?

I was going to make espresso!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 02, 2018 03:39 PM (+tv2S)

204 Posted by: hogmartin at September 02, 2018 03:37 PM (y87Qq)

I haven't "known" them IYKWIM so that the only way I can appreciate them is -biblically.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 02, 2018 03:39 PM (AllCR)

205 "children were separated from their parents"

Oooh, here's another good place "alleged" could be used. As in "children were separated from their *alleged* parents."

Posted by: GWB at September 02, 2018 03:39 PM (zmhr6)

206 The most suspicious of South Texas midwives are the ones using Fernando Valenzuela signed catcher's mitts.

Posted by: Muldoon at September 02, 2018 03:41 PM (mvenn)

207 For anyone who hasn't seen it - Razorfish on Johnny McStain. Well worth 11 minutes:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6DhBrTtn2Ho

Posted by: Calm Mentor at September 02, 2018 03:41 PM (I16G8)

208 "But the parents did this to these people"

Well, the parents and the lying SOBs who falsified their birth certificates.

Posted by: GWB at September 02, 2018 03:42 PM (zmhr6)

209 Yet another reason why we need to eliminate birthright citizenship, as nearly every other modern country has done.

So long as we are viewed as a rich country and keep making 80+ types of taxpayer-funded welfare programs available to needy citizens (or those claiming to be), people from other countries will continue to lie and scheme to obtain citizenship by whatever means they can.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at September 02, 2018 03:42 PM (fqUgw)

210 I am wishing for a gainnzzzz thread

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at September 02, 2018 03:43 PM (CE6iV)

211 Sending an adult person who has been raised in the US thinking he is a US citizen and now discovering that he is not a citizen to, what to him is, a foreign country (Mexico pos) might be considered cruel or unusual punishment.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 02, 2018 03:36 PM (jcSzd)

Not my problem. Too bad, so sad.

Posted by: Infidel at September 02, 2018 03:43 PM (PhT3S)

212 Nope; I don't want to be a border patrol agent. I'm not fit enough or young enough and I don't want to have to worry about evil leftist people suggesting they are allevil and will be (sue ominous music) "taken care of" who should be killed after Trump. People on YOUR side did that, Comrade. I serve my country in several ways-one of which is by paying taxes.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 02, 2018 03:43 PM (AllCR)

213 Dual Citizenship used to be illegal in the US but the far left SCOTUS of 1967 struck the law down. The government still frowns on it and makes it difficult.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 02, 2018 03:43 PM (mpXpK)

214 206 The most suspicious of South Texas midwives are the ones using Fernando Valenzuela signed catcher's mitts.
Posted by: Muldoon at September 02, 2018 03:41 PM (mvenn)

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If your name is Juan, in TrumpAmerica you're born with two balls and two strikes.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 02, 2018 03:44 PM (+tv2S)

215 It not as bad in Texas as in CA but a large percentage of even American born of illegal Hispanic immigrants here don't care about being American. They cheer for their parents home country sports team or sportsperson against Americans. They fly their flags and they express their hate for America frequently.

I guarantee you if illegals and their supporters advocated for amnesty while waving the American flag and constantly praising how great America is and made efforts to learn English instead of demanding Rights that don't exist while expressing their hatred of what America stands for , the plight of Dreamers would be better considered.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at September 02, 2018 03:44 PM (2DOZq)

216 I was at a park earlier today downtown. All around the place there are liberal signs on lawns like CoExist, Immigrants Welcome, Don't Separate Families, etc. The percent of non white people in the park...zero point zero. The whitest group of people imaginable but they are all about tolerance and multi cultural stuff yo!!!!

Posted by: #neverskankles at September 02, 2018 03:44 PM (/hhy7)

217 #JuanButNotForgotten

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at September 02, 2018 03:44 PM (NL6wI)

218 ...the highest rate of duicide...

*****

What's that, being killed by a drunk driver?

Posted by: Muldoon at September 02, 2018 03:44 PM (mvenn)

219 207 For anyone who hasn't seen it - Razorfish on Johnny McStain. Well worth 11 minutes:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6DhBrTtn2Ho
Posted by: Calm Mentor at September 02, 2018 03:41 PM (I16G

Hell yes. I saw that last night. Highly recommended.

Posted by: rickl at September 02, 2018 03:44 PM (sdi6R)

220 The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 52% of likely US voters favor a proposal that would create a pathway to citizenship for those brought to this country illegally when they were children, build a wall on the Mexican border and change legal immigration to a more merit-based system.
Posted by: pep

Why lump those together?
Posted by: Grump928(C)

Because the easiest way for us to get a poll saying "99% of men want to be kicked hard in the balls" is to poll them on "would you like ten million dollars, a week with Kate Upton, and a hard kick in the balls?"

Posted by: Rasumussen Push-Polling at September 02, 2018 03:44 PM (P1f+c)

221 I don't think Comrade is a very high level troll. Soros must not be paying too well.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 02, 2018 03:44 PM (AllCR)

222 Back then the US was a "high trust" society as mentioned above.

Gee, I wonder what happened to change that. Could it be... Diversity?
Posted by: rickl at September 02, 2018 03:24 PM (sdi6R)

DemMarxist Strategy:

Diversity and Conquer

Posted by: Minuteman at September 02, 2018 03:44 PM (1Pkk3)

223 To be kind to the cruel is to be cruel to the kind.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 02, 2018 03:44 PM (yQpMk)

224 Have to say I like the 'bullet' point format.

HAHAHA. I crack myself up.

Posted by: Weasel at September 02, 2018 03:45 PM (XOwrb)

225 Pep is also playing a game there with that. He's using the polling of
Americans favoring this compromise that includes border enforcement as
well to claim the point that Americans are cool with the "Dreamers." So
people are willing to compromise on them IF, and the IF is incredibly
important, we actually start enforcing and protecting our border so more
of these "Dreamers" don't continue coming through.

Perhaps you should look at my #10.
10
People who have been here since forever will ultimately not be denied
citizenship. If you don't have an accent, you're going to stay. It's the
people who can't speak a word of English and are obviously here
fraudulently who will have to leave (under the best scenario I can
envision). That's actually okay with me, assuming the border has finally
been brought under control and the 40 million illegals have been
reduced to 5 million or less.

Posted by: pep at September 02, 2018 03:45 PM (T6t7i)

226 I want RazorFist and Alexthechick to do a podcast. It would melt radio towers across this great land.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 02, 2018 03:45 PM (kQs4Y)

227 Who benefits from turning the two funerals into Star Wars bar scenes?
Posted by: Northernlurker at September 02, 2018 03:20 PM

Solo shot first.

Posted by: Greedo at September 02, 2018 03:46 PM (DMUuz)

228 173. is that the disposition of these cases? I didn't read all of it. I can see the feds applying a fine and letting them stay on green cards but I can't imagine they'll deport them all. Same for DACA. The medical professionals who enable this fraud should be adjudicated.

Posted by: kallisto at September 02, 2018 03:46 PM (PxqU/)

229 Dad's bf here is combining his annual labor day party today with a memorial for dad. I really don't want to go. It's not what dad wanted. Why do I feel obligated.

Posted by: Infidel at September 02, 2018 03:46 PM (PhT3S)

230 202.
Ancient Slavonaut theorists say yes.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, GECSPLAN, SMR and Ancient Slavonaut Newsletters at September 02, 2018 03:46 PM (fA1SL)

231 Infidel, I forbid you to go!

there, now you can ignore it

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at September 02, 2018 03:47 PM (CE6iV)

232 I want RazorFist and Alexthechick to do a podcast. It would melt radio towers across this great land.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 02, 2018 03:45 PM (kQs4Y)

I want to snag an invitation to Thanksgiving dinner with them and the frost giant and metal valkyrie.

I mean, can you imagine?

Posted by: hogmartin at September 02, 2018 03:47 PM (y87Qq)

233 That's actually okay with me, assuming the border has finally been brought under control and the 40 million illegals have been reduced to 5 million or less.

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Then decimation won't be enough.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 02, 2018 03:47 PM (+tv2S)

234 73 years ago today Japan signed the instrument of surrender on the deck of the USS Missouri, in Tokyo Bay.

Trivia question: who signed the instrument for the United States?

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 03:47 PM (QDnY+)

235 I guarantee you if illegals and their supporters advocated for amnesty while waving the American flag and constantly praising how great America is and made efforts to learn English instead of demanding Rights that don't exist while expressing their hatred of what America stands for , the plight of Dreamers would be better considered.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at September 02, 2018 03:44 PM (2DOZq)

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Shorter: Immigration without assimilation is invasion.

We shut down immigration for over 40 years to allow immigrants to become Americans.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at September 02, 2018 03:48 PM (I16G8)

236 Ancient Rome had to close down the Coliseum because the lions were eating up all the prophets.

Posted by: Muldoon at September 02, 2018 03:48 PM (mvenn)

237 Trivia question: who signed the instrument for the United States?
Wainwright?

Posted by: pep at September 02, 2018 03:48 PM (T6t7i)

238 Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 03:47 PM (QDnY+)

Should have been Wainwright. Was it Wainwright?

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at September 02, 2018 03:48 PM (2DOZq)

239 I want to snag an invitation to Thanksgiving dinner with them and the frost giant and metal valkyrie.

I mean, can you imagine?
Posted by: hogmartin at September 02, 2018 03:47 PM (y87Qq)
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The fight for the wishbone would be epic.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 02, 2018 03:48 PM (kQs4Y)

240 Weasel - sent a (belated) gunnzz pic for the gallery.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 03:49 PM (QDnY+)

241 Trivia question: who signed the instrument for the United States?

*****

I''m going to guess Gene Hackman

Posted by: Muldoon at September 02, 2018 03:49 PM (mvenn)

242 Dual Citizenship used to be illegal in the US but
the far left SCOTUS of 1967 struck the law down. The government still
frowns on it and makes it difficult.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 02, 2018 03:43 PM (mpXpK)

I think that it's more of a case that they look the other way unless you're trying to be a dual with certain countries. Just don't come crying to a US embassy or consulate if you get in trouble in the other country, and make sure you show your passport for the direction you're going.

I know an American who got citizenship with another country and as long as she would make available if necessary a notarized letter stating she had no intention of giving up her U.S. citizenship when she took the oath of citizenship of the other country, she was fine. If she wanted to give up U.S. citizenship she'd have to book an appointment with a consulate, show up, and actively renounce it.

Posted by: Vendette at September 02, 2018 03:49 PM (Ei31x)

243 Well I cut down some trees that were in the way and then my +$#*@-* chipper wouldn't start. I'm not in the mood to take it apart and drain the fuel from the carb, so I gave up, took a shower, smoked a cigar, and now I'm getting ready to do some work-work that I brought with me.

Posted by: Weasel at September 02, 2018 03:49 PM (XOwrb)

244 But I think border patrol agents have a dangerous, stressful job, I thank them and I support their work

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 02, 2018 03:49 PM (AllCR)

245 Babies born in the usa should have the option of either geing given up for adoption or leavibg with parents, with right to return on their 18th birthday.

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at September 02, 2018 03:50 PM (CE6iV)

246 Wrong!

Not Wainwright.

He was present, stood close behind one signer when signing (along with British Gen. Percival), but did not sign.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 03:51 PM (QDnY+)

247 240 Weasel - sent a (belated) gunnzz pic for the gallery.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 03:49 PM (QDnY+)
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Got it. Sweet!

Posted by: Weasel at September 02, 2018 03:51 PM (XOwrb)

248 Muldoon - LOL!

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 03:51 PM (QDnY+)

249 Ancient Rome had to close down the Coliseum because the lions were eating up all the prophets.
Posted by: Muldoon at September 02, 2018 03:48 PM (mvenn)

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Some were sad when Mary Magdalene was tossed to the lion but frankly, I'm gladiator.

Posted by: St. Peter at September 02, 2018 03:51 PM (+tv2S)

250 Infidel- was it you asking about Dog tags?
Anyway found my tags. It has SN ( older had military ID)
Blood type and religion.
SN would tell easiest, military ID shoul
d be found in a records request

Posted by: Skip at September 02, 2018 03:52 PM (T4oHT)

251 (Final Jeopardy melody, played on giant gongs, continues .....)

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 03:52 PM (QDnY+)

252 Gene Hackman was not in Mrs. Doubtfire.

Posted by: Burger Chef at September 02, 2018 03:52 PM (RuIsu)

253 So pep. What amnesty only and nothing else sort of proposal are you in favor of?

Posted by: Buzzion at September 02, 2018 03:53 PM (64PJb)

254 But I think border patrol agents have a dangerous, stressful job, I thank them and I support their work
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 02, 2018 03:49 PM (AllCR)

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Agreed, especially the ones who made it through last reign of error while not being allowed to do their jobs.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at September 02, 2018 03:53 PM (I16G8)

255 Wrong!
Not Wainwright.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 03:51 PM

So, Wainwrong?

Posted by: Rev. Al Notsosharpton at September 02, 2018 03:53 PM (DMUuz)

256 244 But I think border patrol agents have a dangerous, stressful job, I thank them and I support their work
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 02, 2018 03:49 PM (AllCR)
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Yep. Especially when politicians paint a target on their back.

I'm running out of patience with this kind of stupidity because these politicians are actively encouraging people to do bad things to government employees.

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at September 02, 2018 03:53 PM (WEBkv)

257 Hint: not who you think it was. *HE* signed as Supreme Commander of the Allied Powers.

(now that's a title I'd settle for, very cool)

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 03:53 PM (QDnY+)

258 Nimitz

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at September 02, 2018 03:53 PM (2DOZq)

259 170 " US citizens don't get to keep their children in jail either.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at September 02, 2018 03:26 PM (FTXAT)

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I wait for the crack investigative team at the Post to get right on that story.

Sounds like injustice to me!"

California has solved that problem, first no bail, then no jail, so no separation.

Posted by: geoffb at September 02, 2018 03:54 PM (zOpu5)

260 Lancelot, proceed to the cashier's cage to collect your winnings.

But first - did you CHEAT?

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 03:54 PM (QDnY+)

261 Rhomboid - was it MacArthur?

(Just guessing.)

Posted by: Vendette at September 02, 2018 03:54 PM (Ei31x)

262
Old gypsy woman, tramps and thieves ...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 02, 2018 03:55 PM (XdWyA)

263 Well, I was wrong.

Posted by: Vendette at September 02, 2018 03:55 PM (Ei31x)

264 Amnesty with a promise to fund the wall in the fiture, is just amnesty.

Posted by: #neverskankles at September 02, 2018 03:55 PM (/hhy7)

265 Trivia question: who signed the instrument for the United States?

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 03:47 PM (QDnY+)
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It was the guy whose troops were captured, right?

I can see him on the ship.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 02, 2018 03:55 PM (kQs4Y)

266 253
So pep. What amnesty only and nothing else sort of proposal are you in favor of?

Posted by: Buzzion
The position I hold is the one I described in #10. I am not in favor of ANY amnesty only.

Posted by: pep at September 02, 2018 03:55 PM (T6t7i)

267 But first - did you CHEAT?
Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 03:54 PM (QDnY

I never cheat.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at September 02, 2018 03:55 PM (2DOZq)

268 The United States signed an instrument of surrender on Sept. 2, 1945?

I thought it was later than that.

Posted by: rickl at September 02, 2018 03:56 PM (sdi6R)

269 MacArthur signed (and presided at ceremony) as SCAP. With symbolic gesture of Wainwright and Percival standing close behind him (both POWs from earliest Allied defeats at the Philippines and Singapore, respectively).

Nimitz signed for the US.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 03:56 PM (QDnY+)

270 MacArthur signed for the Allies
Flt. Adm. Nimitz signed for the United States

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 02, 2018 03:56 PM (DMUuz)

271 (now that's a title I'd settle for, very cool)
Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 03:53 PM (QDnY+)

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Not as cool as "Admiral of the Ocean Sea" though.

Posted by: Zombie Christopher Columbus at September 02, 2018 03:57 PM (WEBkv)

272 Amnesty with a promise to fund the wall in the fiture, is just amnesty.
Posted by: #neverskankles at September 02, 2018 03:55 PM (/hhy7)

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As we saw when Ronny trusted that snake Tip O'Neil.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at September 02, 2018 03:57 PM (I16G8)

273 Babies born in the usa should have the option of either geing given up for adoption or leavibg with parents, with right to return on their 18th birthday.
Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at September 02, 2018 03:50 PM (CE6iV)

Except for Irish babies, which should be eaten.

Posted by: hogmartin at September 02, 2018 03:57 PM (y87Qq)

274 Trivia question: who signed the instrument for the United States?

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DeGaulle?

Posted by: St. Peter at September 02, 2018 03:57 PM (+tv2S)

275 Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at September 02, 2018 03:53 PM (WEBkv)

Yes, they are. It's a bad, bad thing.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 02, 2018 03:57 PM (AllCR)

276 Oh come on, Nimitz is such a made-up sounding name. No way it's real.

Posted by: pep at September 02, 2018 03:57 PM (T6t7i)

277 Nimitz v. Donitz.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 02, 2018 03:58 PM (kQs4Y)

278 Except for Irish babies, which should be eaten.
Posted by: hogmartin at September 02, 2018 03:57 PM (y87Qq)

too carby

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at September 02, 2018 03:58 PM (CE6iV)

279 268 The United States signed an instrument of surrender on Sept. 2, 1945?

I thought it was later than that.
Posted by: rickl at September 02, 2018 03:56 PM (sdi6R)

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Maybe you're thinking of Appamattox?

Posted by: Zombie Gen. Lee at September 02, 2018 03:59 PM (WEBkv)

280 264 Amnesty with a promise to fund the wall in the fiture, is just amnesty.
Posted by: #neverskankles at September 02, 2018 03:55 PM (/hhy7)

Tell me about it.

Posted by: Ronald Reagan at September 02, 2018 03:59 PM (sdi6R)

281 As we saw when Ronny trusted that snake Tip O'Neil.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at September 02, 2018 03:57 PM (I16G

Reagan was hoodwinked on the employer enforcement provision IIRC. They took that provision out of the bill last second before sending to him to sign. He should have told them to fuck off.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at September 02, 2018 03:59 PM (2DOZq)

282 I thought Karl Malden was Hot Soup guy in Young Frankenstein.

Posted by: Muldoon at September 02, 2018 03:59 PM (mvenn)

283 Wait. DeGaulle was at Appomattox?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 02, 2018 03:59 PM (+tv2S)

284 Pep, a now-deceased older friend who was a young Navy nurse during the war shared Nimitz's name - slightly different spelling - and she said that early in each duty assignment, post or ship, she would be approached by some junior officer to discreetly inquire whether, you know, any relation?

She said she started to just cut them off and say "no, no damn relation to Admiral Nimitz, OK?". Given her personality and style, I believe it.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 04:00 PM (QDnY+)

285 Round them up.
Deport them.
Build the wall.
Ban the Muzzies.
Do this and MAGA will be a reality.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at September 02, 2018 04:00 PM (QMwOT)

286 278 Except for Irish babies, which should be eaten.
Posted by: hogmartin at September 02, 2018 03:57 PM (y87Qq)

too carby
Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at September 02, 2018 03:58 PM (CE6iV)

It's all the potatoes in their diet.

Posted by: rickl at September 02, 2018 04:00 PM (sdi6R)

287 135 I would have to think that a kid brought here as a baby will, yes, speak English, but will also probably have Spanish spoken at home. So were he to be sent back to Mexico with his parents, he will not be utterly lost at sea in a strange culture.

But I do have some sympathy for him. It's not his fault.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 02, 2018 03:17 PM (kQs4Y)

There has long been laws on the books regarding infants and children who find themselves in the US. "Foundlings" if you will.

The key being that they are 'found' in the US, have no parents, and no known residence before being found.

It is ludicrous that many are claiming 'it's not their fault' that they were brought here against their will by parents / others and should be rewarded with the benefits taken illegally. Fine, they were a 'victim'. No goody bag for you because Mom & Dad stole it and it is not theirs to give.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 02, 2018 04:00 PM (1g7ch)

288 284. It's odd that Nimitz should have a family name that so very closely approximates the SMR name for Fritz.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, GECSPLAN, SMR and Ancient Slavonaut Newsletters at September 02, 2018 04:01 PM (fA1SL)

289
Sending an adult person who has been raised in the US thinking he is a
US citizen and now discovering that he is not a citizen to, what to him
is, a foreign country (Mexico pos) might be considered cruel or unusual
punishment.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 02, 2018 03:36 PM (jcSzd)

Its not punishment at all... sending him to prison would be punishment and likely unwarranted. Sending him back to his country of birth is neither cruel nor unusual. In fact, it is the law.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at September 02, 2018 04:01 PM (FTXAT)

290 The position I hold is the one I described in #10. I am not in favor of ANY amnesty only.

Posted by: pep at September 02, 2018 03:55 PM (T6t7i)

Oh so sounds like redbanzai was right. Americans don't want amnesty.

Posted by: buzzion at September 02, 2018 04:01 PM (cAnNx)

291 I don't know if it has changed since I retired from the military in 2000. It used to be that a Green Card holder could enlist in the U.S. military but had to become a citizen before being permitted to reenlist.

Posted by: Bill R. at September 02, 2018 04:01 PM (IuYIh)

292
282 I thought Karl Malden was Hot Soup guy in Young Frankenstein.
Posted by: Muldoon at September 02, 2018 03:59 PM (mvenn)

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A. The character was billed as "The Blind Hermit" not the "The Hot Soup Guy"

B. The character was played by Gene Hackman

Your entry fee has been forfeited.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 02, 2018 04:01 PM (+tv2S)

293 283 Wait. DeGaulle was at Appomattox?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 02, 2018 03:59 PM (+tv2S)

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Borrowed a COB time machine.

Posted by: Blake - used scripting salesman at September 02, 2018 04:01 PM (WEBkv)

294 The aforementioned late Navy nurse is the one for whom the dip recipe in the Deplorable Gourmet cookbook is named - Commander Betty's Dip. She gave it to me. To call her a classic of her time and the Greatest Generation would be grave understatement.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 04:02 PM (QDnY+)

295
It's all the potatoes in their diet.
Posted by: rickl at September 02, 2018 04:00 PM (sdi6R)

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You're welcome.

Posted by: The Incas at September 02, 2018 04:02 PM (+tv2S)

296 I always get Malden and Hackman mixed up.

Posted by: Muldoon at September 02, 2018 04:02 PM (mvenn)

297 Many Hispanics at work speak relatively good English but its not like a native speaker. And are often better at speaking Spanish

Posted by: Skip at September 02, 2018 04:03 PM (T4oHT)

298 Malden has the big nose

Posted by: Skip at September 02, 2018 04:04 PM (T4oHT)

299 The Soviet representative who signed the instrument of surrender had the best flourish in his writing. Some admiral.

And Palp, one of my favorite Russki etymologies - word for "German" is derived from a word for "deaf" - doesn't speak, i.e. doesn't speak OUR language, therefore - deaf! Outstanding cultural chauvinism embedded in language itself.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 04:04 PM (QDnY+)

300 Little known fact about Young Frankenstein. The part of the castle was played by none other than Brian Dennehy.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 02, 2018 04:04 PM (gC2IV)

301 three years as a private in the Army-
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How in the hell do you do that? He's exceptional alright.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 02, 2018 04:05 PM (CDGwz)

302 298 Malden has the big nose
Posted by: Skip at September 02, 2018 04:04 PM (T4oHT)

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Nose. Heh.

Posted by: Forrest Tucker at September 02, 2018 04:05 PM (+tv2S)

303 298 Malden has the big nose
Posted by: Skip at September 02, 2018 04:04 PM (T4oHT)
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The chair is against the wall.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 02, 2018 04:05 PM (kQs4Y)

304 299. Naturally. I mean, what else could any reasonable person conclude?

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, GECSPLAN, SMR and Ancient Slavonaut Newsletters at September 02, 2018 04:05 PM (fA1SL)

305 Posted by: Skip at September 02, 2018 03:52 PM (T4oHT)

Yes Skip. Thanks for the info. I decided not to go to the add on memorial. Dad didn't want anything, I don't want to face a bunch of people and I'm pissed at the host for losing the original will. Being he's the PR and all.

Posted by: Infidel at September 02, 2018 04:05 PM (PhT3S)

306 Avenutty has decided to hold a "resistance rally" in Texas while Trump is doing the Cruz rally. That should bring in hundreds of people.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at September 02, 2018 04:07 PM (I16G8)

307 My dad used to refer to Karl Malden as Old Banana Nose.

Posted by: Muldoon at September 02, 2018 04:07 PM (mvenn)

308 Full story of the surrender mechanics, following Japan's acceptance of the Potsdam Declaration, is pretty interesting (at least to war/history geeks).

Japanese reps flew in specially painted aircraft (US side specified DC-3s, which I find curious, but in the end they came on Betty bombers, Mitsubishis) to Okinawa, where they transferred to US aircraft and were flown to Manila, where the surrender specifics were finalized. One of the aircraft had to do an emergency landing on the beach in a coastal area south of Tokyo on return trip, then typhoon delayed everything on Japanese side. But it all got done, less than 2 weeks, in time for the ceremony on the Missouri.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 04:08 PM (QDnY+)

309 Karl Hackman played Gene Malden in the Streets of Cans of Crisco.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 02, 2018 04:08 PM (oVJmc)

310 My great-great-grandmother was a Gypsy Queen in the Ural Mountains.

Posted by: Miley, the High Duchess at September 02, 2018 04:09 PM (txw6d)

311 And Palp, one of my favorite Russki etymologies - word for "German" is derived from a word for "deaf" - doesn't speak, i.e. doesn't speak OUR language, therefore - deaf! Outstanding cultural chauvinism embedded in language itself.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 04:04 PM (QDnY+)

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In a book I'm reading now, the author says that "Russian" came from the word "rus" which the Slavic inhabitants along the Dnieper and Volga used to describe invading Vikings who came in down the rivers. It means "rowers."

Those Viking invaders established trading posts, then later their own dukedoms along the river, and eventually became Russian nobility.

Vikings. Who knew?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 02, 2018 04:10 PM (+tv2S)

312 Probably willow territory, but what the heck.

Which European country - not counting the USSR - besides the UK, was represented on the deck of the Missouri, and signed the instrument of surrender as an Allied power?

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 04:10 PM (QDnY+)

313 Just read about K-9 cop who shot his dog who attacked him after the cop did some 'corrective action ' .

I have a feeling that cop was not the best candidate to be a K-9 Officer.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at September 02, 2018 04:10 PM (2DOZq)

314 310. Waah! Lady was WAAAAY off her ranch, eh?

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, GECSPLAN, SMR and Ancient Slavonaut Newsletters at September 02, 2018 04:10 PM (fA1SL)

315 Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 04:10 PM (QDnY+)

Netherlands

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at September 02, 2018 04:11 PM (2DOZq)

316 Which European country - not counting the USSR - besides the UK, was represented on the deck of the Missouri, and signed the instrument of surrender as an Allied power?
Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 04:10 PM (QDnY+)

Guessing: France?

Posted by: hogmartin at September 02, 2018 04:11 PM (y87Qq)

317 Giant gong rendition of Final Jeopardy melody plays again ......

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 04:12 PM (QDnY+)

318 had to get replacement Birth Certificate. Went to state rep, paid money, got certificate. Because I was born in hospital where Doc didn't commit paperwork fraud.

Ya, sure. When you file for a passport, you have to supply your parent's date/place of birth. My mother was born in a log cabin (no shit) on a farm out in the country. I don't remember where my father was born. If I guess, and guess incorrectly, what then?

Posted by: Bitter Bendergash at September 02, 2018 04:12 PM (I9Sw7)

319 Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 04:10 PM (QDnY+

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Italy?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 02, 2018 04:12 PM (gC2IV)

320 311
Is lie! And names like Ivan, Ian, etc. , arrived in mutilated form among Skandis AFTER contact with SMR. trust me - AFTER.

* shifty eyes *

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, GECSPLAN, SMR and Ancient Slavonaut Newsletters at September 02, 2018 04:12 PM (fA1SL)

321 I'm trying to think of European Country with Asian colonies. Belgium?

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at September 02, 2018 04:13 PM (2DOZq)

322 Which European country - not counting the USSR -
besides the UK, was represented on the deck of the Missouri, and signed
the instrument of surrender as an Allied power?

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 04:10 PM (QDnY+)

Just guessing for the fun of it, knowing I'm probably wrong: Finland.

Posted by: Vendette at September 02, 2018 04:13 PM (Ei31x)

323 >> said Juan, who earns $13 an hour as a prison guard

Horse pucky. Texas prison guards start at $3,019.84 a month.

Not if you're a guard at a Mexican prison.

Yeah, one of my nieces is a Texas prison guard; she started around 4 years ago at ~$17 per hour. Of course they are perpetually short handed, so it would be easy to rack up tons of OT if you are so inclined; she ain't.

*Nice fisking of the article, btw*

Posted by: GnuBreed at September 02, 2018 04:13 PM (0ogQG)

324 Lancelot wins again!

And ..... rhomboid may have to do 100 extra push-ups, as hogmartin is correct!

"Provisional Government of France" also signed.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 04:14 PM (QDnY+)

325 Sending an adult person who has been raised in the US thinking he is a
US citizen and now discovering that he is not a citizen to, what to him
is, a foreign country (Mexico pos) might be considered cruel or unusual
punishment.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 02, 2018 03:36 PM (jcSzd)
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Its not punishment at all... sending him to prison would be punishment and likely unwarranted. Sending him back to his country of birth is neither cruel nor unusual. In fact, it is the law.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at September 02, 2018 04:01 PM (FTXAT)

Sending an adult who was raised from infancy in the US to Mexico would be akin to sending an animal raised from infancy in a zoo back to the wild.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 02, 2018 04:14 PM (jcSzd)

326 Yup. Wrong again.

Posted by: Vendette at September 02, 2018 04:14 PM (Ei31x)

327 Australia, New Zealand, Canada signed as commonwealth or dominions. And China. And that was that.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 04:14 PM (QDnY+)

328 My second guess would have been San Marino.

Posted by: hogmartin at September 02, 2018 04:15 PM (y87Qq)

329 Sending an adult person who has been raised in the US thinking he is a US citizen and now discovering that he is not a citizen to, what to him is, a foreign country (Mexico pos) might be considered cruel or unusual
punishment.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 02, 2018 03:36 PM (jcSzd)
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There are a few circumstances that might make it so.
An 80 yr old man whose kids and grandkids are in the US, who no longer has family in Mexico....yeah.

But in the VAST majority of cases, 1st generation immigrants, whether legal or legal, have plenty of contacts in the old country. They also have familiarity with the language and customs.

I have been in the US for over 4 decades now but, if you deported me to my home country, I'd manage.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 02, 2018 04:15 PM (0jtPF)

330 Put his finger in some dyke.
=====

Who you callin a dyke?!?

Posted by: Miss Lindsay at September 02, 2018 04:15 PM (RFYR/)

331 My second guess would have been San Marino.
Posted by: hogmartin at September 02, 2018 04:15 PM (y87Qq)

I was going to go with Andorra.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at September 02, 2018 04:16 PM (2DOZq)

332 "Sending an adult who was raised from infancy in the US to Mexico would be akin to sending an animal raised from infancy in a zoo back to the wild. "

I call BS on that statement. There are many ex-pats who retire (as adults) in Mexico after living a full life in the US.

Dittos with Philippines, Costa Rica, Peru, etc.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at September 02, 2018 04:16 PM (lD3vL)

333 It's all the potatoes in their diet.
Posted by: rickl at September 02, 2018 04:00 PM

Order more than $5 worth, and you can have free bread!

Posted by: zombie Mickey Rooney at September 02, 2018 04:17 PM (DMUuz)

334 308
Japanese reps flew in specially painted aircraft (US side specified DC-3s, which I find curious, but in the end they came on Betty bombers, Mitsubishis)
Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 04:08 PM (QDnY+)

I once saw a website that had pictures of the specially-painted white aircraft, but this video shows them as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7ohtiGsZP4

Posted by: rickl at September 02, 2018 04:17 PM (sdi6R)

335 Vendette - Finland?? WTF??

But actually - that makes me wonder - exactly where/how DID Finland sign whatever it signed? They fought both the russkis and the krauts before/during WWII, but I can't recall how/where any settlement was reached. Think there was some sort of agreement following the disastrous Winter War by the Russians. But can't remember what happened in May of '45.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 04:17 PM (QDnY+)

336 Well this Gypsy Strawwoman certainly got torched.

And the Masterclass book selection for September is Margaret Atwood's The Handmaid's Tale ... And she is now conducting a class with them.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 02, 2018 04:17 PM (jeefx)

337 Gene Hackman was a good villain in The Quick and the Dead

https://youtu.be/Pp_jriZDSS8

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 02, 2018 04:18 PM (rnAwa)

338 Yep rickl - white planes with green crosses.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 04:18 PM (QDnY+)

339 But can't remember what happened in May of '45.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 04:17 PM (QDnY+)

Don't feel bad, I can't remember either. It was a long time ago.

Posted by: hogmartin at September 02, 2018 04:18 PM (y87Qq)

340 Is lie! And names like Ivan, Ian, etc. , arrived in mutilated form among Skandis AFTER contact with SMR. trust me - AFTER.

* shifty eyes *
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, GECSPLAN, SMR and Ancient Slavonaut Newsletters at September 02, 2018 04:12 PM

So, is SMR taking credit for lutefisk, as well?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 02, 2018 04:18 PM (DMUuz)

341 I have been in the US for over 4 decades now but, if you deported me to my home country, I'd manage.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 02, 2018 04:15 PM (0jtPF)
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Were you an infant when you departed your home country?

Is your home country civilized or is it one of the most dangerous places on earth to live?

Posted by: Braenyard at September 02, 2018 04:19 PM (jcSzd)

342 That wraps up the WWII trivia contest for today.

Gotta go do my penalty push-ups, and water the herbs and tomatoes.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 04:19 PM (QDnY+)

343 Vendette - Finland?? WTF??

Posted by: rhomboid at September 02, 2018 04:17 PM (QDnY+)

As I said, I was just guessing. I typed my crazy guess then looked it up.

Posted by: Vendette at September 02, 2018 04:19 PM (Ei31x)

344 I like that it seemed like the entire fleet of planes the US had were flown over head .

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at September 02, 2018 04:19 PM (2DOZq)

345 Has the Washington Post ever once burned the "anonymous sources" that lead them astray? Has there been a single instance in two years, where reading "anonymous sources" would put us ahead of the curve?

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 02, 2018 04:20 PM (rnAwa)

346 340. No. That was a perversion, a Mark of Cain set upon them as a warning to others.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, GECSPLAN, SMR and Ancient Slavonaut Newsletters at September 02, 2018 04:20 PM (fA1SL)

347 I was at Appomattox in '72. No Gene Hackman, no Karl Malden, no De Gaulle, no Gene Wilder. None of 'em. Brian Dennehy's head was a fireplace.

Posted by: Burger Chef at September 02, 2018 04:20 PM (RuIsu)

348 That is not, however, the fault of the US or its citizens.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at September 02, 2018 02:55 PM (FTXAT)

You know what? Yes it is. If you dither seven to ten years before managing to enforce your border, you are failing at your duty. Lax enforcement, overlooking obvious fraud, permitting the "anchor baby" law to apply = you signed up for that America, and it's your duty to vote in people that will change the law to one more sensible that the free-for-all chaotic scam that immigration is now.

One way to get new laws is to enforce bad ones. That might apply here, the situatiaon is altogether avoidable if birth in the states isn't enough for citizenship - your parents have to be citizens or legal residents.As it is, The penalty should not weigh so heavily on the innocent. It should be severe upon the ones committing fraud. If the government cannot identify a squidgy passport in time to deny a person military service, that should be all she wrote.

Posted by: sarahw at September 02, 2018 04:20 PM (Sp1NT)

349 Sending an adult who was raised from infancy in the
US to Mexico would be akin to sending an animal raised from infancy in a
zoo back to the wild.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 02, 2018 04:14 PM (jcSzd)

Wow... not even close.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at September 02, 2018 04:20 PM (FTXAT)

350 Food thread upstairs.

Posted by: hogmartin at September 02, 2018 04:21 PM (y87Qq)

351
The Netherlands. Dutch East Indes.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 02, 2018 04:21 PM (LsBY9)

352 That was my point. Those who think McStain was such a great statesman will not be able to name anyone on the Left who crosses over, except possibly Manchin. They have purified their party to hard Lefties only.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at September 02, 2018 03:23 PM

Democrats can never be considered statesmen by crossing over.

The Left seriously believes the Republican Party to be the NAZI Party. So a NAZI belonging to the NAZI Party, but crossing over to the Democrat Party, is seen as the act of a Statesmen by the Left. They probably see him as someone who is trying as he may to help fix the NAZI Party.

On the other hand, a Democrat crossing over to what they consider the NAZI Party? Unforgivable.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at September 02, 2018 04:21 PM (7A4qQ)

353 epoxy is setting on the aluminum framew*rk, and bacon wrapped hot dogs are on the charcoal grill...

came back to say "If your documents are fraudulent, they are invalid. If you are not a legal citizen, you need to be deported forth with. No exceptions, no excuses. #Duh."

my guess, not scrolling up to see if it's been answered: "The Fwench"

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 02, 2018 04:21 PM (LOYwX)

354 Two G4M bombers painted white with green crosses were used. B-25J Mitchell bombers escorted them to a safe landing. On the return trip one Betty crashed just short of destination because it ran out of fuel.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 02, 2018 04:22 PM (jeefx)

355 Nood.

Corgis.

Posted by: Blake - used scripting salesman at September 02, 2018 04:22 PM (WEBkv)

356 Why am I forced to pay taxes for any of these losers who are illegal? WTF did I ever do wrong?

Posted by: Infidel at September 02, 2018 04:22 PM (PhT3S)

357 Wow... not even close.
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at September 02, 2018 04:20 PM (FTXAT)

That's his opinion and I know a few people where that would be an accurate analogy. Unfortunately life is tough and that should not prevent the law from being enforced.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at September 02, 2018 04:24 PM (2DOZq)

358 Posted by: Braenyard at September 02, 2018 04:14 PM (jcSzd)

Wow... not even close.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at September 02, 2018 04:20 PM (FTXAT)

Mexico is one of the most dangerous places in the world to live. Police, reporters, and politicians are murdered with impunity.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 02, 2018 04:25 PM (jcSzd)

359 I also like how the 'journalist' uses certain phrases to sound more profound and self-important. "An increasing number"..... well, if it went from one a year to two a year.. that's an increasing number. and technically, going from 1,000 per year to 2 per year... STILL increases the overall number, in total. these advocates with bylines such. they just suck. i hate them.

Posted by: goatexchange at September 02, 2018 04:26 PM (SVyLE)

360 You know what? Yes it is. If you dither seven to ten
years before managing to enforce your border, you are failing at your
duty. Lax enforcement, overlooking obvious fraud, permitting the "anchor
baby" law to apply = you signed up for that America, and it's your duty
to vote in people that will change the law to one more sensible that
the free-for-all chaotic scam that immigration is now.

One way
to get new laws is to enforce bad ones. That might apply here, the
situatiaon is altogether avoidable if birth in the states isn't enough
for citizenship - your parents have to be citizens or legal residents.As
it is, The penalty should not weigh so heavily on the innocent. It
should be severe upon the ones committing fraud. If the government
cannot identify a squidgy passport in time to deny a person military
service, that should be all she wrote.

Posted by: sarahw at September 02, 2018 04:20 PM (Sp1NT)
No it is not SarahW. Other people breaking the laws is not our fault and we are not compelled in any way to change those laws because they are not inclined to follow them. Nor is getting away with fraud initially a reason for ollyollyoxenfree.

And again I say... sending people back to the countries where they are actually citizens is not punishment. I am fully in favor of jailing the people originally responsible for the fraud however. THAT is actual punishment.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at September 02, 2018 04:30 PM (FTXAT)

361 nood food

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 02, 2018 04:32 PM (mpXpK)

362 341
Is your home country civilized or is it one of the most dangerous places on earth to live?
Posted by: Braenyard at September 02, 2018 04:19 PM (jcSzd)
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Mexico, believe it or not, is not "one of the most dangerous places on earth to live." Better save that argument for Honduras and Guatemala.

The biggest problem the average illegal kid would have going back to Mexico is getting off the US welfare train.
And yeah, that would be tough.

They'd also have more trouble getting work.

But your notion that there is this yuuuuuge cultural difference between living in crime-ridden East LA and the average Mexican town is hooey.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 02, 2018 04:32 PM (0jtPF)

363
Mexico is one of the most dangerous places in the world to live. Police, reporters, and politicians are murdered with impunity.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 02, 2018 04:25 PM (jcSzd)

First, many aren't from Mexico. Second, whatever countries illegals are from, that is THEIR country to fix. The US is neither the World's policeman nor it's social services case worker.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at September 02, 2018 04:32 PM (FTXAT)

364 Hey CBD, who was the asshole that said a few days ago that your articles here are fluff? Tell that asshole to go fuck himself. This is one of the best things I've read here.

I sure wish I could remember that asshole's name.

Posted by: clutch at September 02, 2018 04:33 PM (kiSdp)

365 "The penalty should not weigh so heavily on the innocent. "

Your argument sounds like one you would make for stray dogs, not human beings.

I'm guessing that you have levy zero value on American citizenship and share the same contempt for your neighbors who have to pony up $250k-500k per "innocent" so that they can further corrupt the language and culture which you also don't value.

If someone robs a bank and gives you the money. You don't get to keep it even when its been discovered.

This country is not yours, and we are not your servants who must defer to your preference for foreign lawbreakers rather than countrymen.

Have you ever considered the fact that you may not be of the type and quality of character that is suitable for living in the US, let alone a first-world society?

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at September 02, 2018 04:34 PM (lD3vL)

366 said Juan, who earns $13 an hour as a prison guard

Horse pucky. Texas prison guards start at $3,019.84 a month.

As truthful as the rest of the article...

It took me literally one minute on the Internet to look up Texas prison guard salaries. The fact that the WaPo "journalist" didn't bother to do this shows the state of "journalism" at the WaPo.

Posted by: The ARC of History at September 02, 2018 04:36 PM (dlwIY)

367 Sending an adult who was raised from infancy in the US to Mexico would be akin to sending an animal raised from infancy in a zoo back to the wild.
Posted by: Braenyard
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Oh, so now you're comparing Mexicans to animals ?

We'll be seeing you soon.

Posted by: La Raza at September 02, 2018 04:36 PM (xSo9G)

368 Mexico is one of the most dangerous places in the world to live. Police, reporters, and politicians are murdered with impunity.
Posted by: Braenyard
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So, there's a demand for corrections officers there, no?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 02, 2018 04:39 PM (xSo9G)

369 There was a MAJOR scandal in Hudson County, NJ some years back. I don't really remember the details, since this is the kind of story the MSM sweeps under the rug PDQ.

Someone in (I think) the County Clerk's office was busted for taking bribes to issue fake birth certificates (something like that), but this person must have been at it for quite some time, because after that anyone who claimed birth in Hudson County could not just go get a copy of their birth certificate in the usual, easy, way. They had to send to the state capital, Trenton, in writing, and then wait for the response.

This inconvenienced who knows how many people, some of whom I knew personally, all of whom had been born decades before, and almost all of whom were born in the famous Margaret Hauge Hospital, a maternity hospital named for the mother of the notoriously corrupt and long serving Jersey City Mayor Frank Hauge (hey, at least he did one good thing).

This was a situation where American Citizens have been suffered due to illegal immigration. But, believe me, no stories about that ever appeared in the NJ Press. And I read the papers in those days.

Posted by: jocon307 at September 02, 2018 04:39 PM (DkUqQ)

370 Mexico is one of the most dangerous places in the world to live. Police, reporters, and politicians are murdered with impunity.

Posted by: Braenyard

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So, there's a demand for corrections officers there, no?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 02, 2018 04:39 PM (xSo9G)

SNORT! LOL

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at September 02, 2018 04:43 PM (FTXAT)

371 290
The position I hold is the one I described in #10. I am not in favor of ANY amnesty only.

Posted by: pep at September 02, 2018 03:55 PM (T6t7i)

Oh so sounds like redbanzai was right. Americans don't want amnesty.

Posted by: buzzion
I'll take complete non sequiturs for $1000, Alex.

Posted by: pep at September 02, 2018 04:46 PM (T6t7i)

372 Mexico is one of the most dangerous places in the world to live. Police, reporters, and politicians are murdered with impunity.
Posted by: Braenyard at September 02, 2018 04:25 PM (jcSzd)

No! They are just like US and have the human right to travel freely world-wide.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 02, 2018 05:00 PM (1g7ch)

373 I'll take complete non sequiturs for $1000, Alex

Posted by: pep at September 02, 2018 04:46 PM (T6t7i)
---
but you'll settle for some lovely parting gifts...

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 02, 2018 05:06 PM (LOYwX)

374 Oh, so now you're comparing Mexicans to animals?

--------

The Donkey Show Artists of Mexico take exception to your insinuation.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 02, 2018 05:09 PM (+tv2S)

375 You know, if we just invaded Mexico and took all their natural resources, we wouldn't have these problems.

Posted by: Totally not a troll at September 02, 2018 05:16 PM (1hEj8)

376 The reporter is a Trump-hating leftist, the reporter's editor is one, in fact there are no conservatives, no Trump voters, nothing but lock-step leftists in the whole milieux that is the WaPo's world. What would they write if not a story like this.

It's a leftist point of view posing as a newspaper.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at September 02, 2018 05:34 PM (ajZwm)

377 That was a thorough shredding.

Good job, 2ATexan.

You should send this to the Post's ombudsman. Submit it as an oped, too.

Yeah, probably a waste of time, but you never know.

Posted by: Weak Geek at September 02, 2018 05:37 PM (aACI3)

378 Rebrend Al on the Donk strategy to beat Trump.

Reverend Al Sharpton
@TheRevAl
DNC Chair Tom Perez discusses how Dems are putting hope on the ballot in comparison to how Trump has used fear on the ballot.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 02, 2018 05:42 PM (+y/Ru)

379 318. So you're saying there's no documentation associated with the birth of either parent? Call your Congressman, they're our servants and help constituents with difficult situations...

Posted by: kallisto at September 02, 2018 05:49 PM (7GBH9)

380 Trivia question: who signed the instrument for the United States?

General Wainwright, who Dugout Doug left holding the bag on Corregidor.

Posted by: Fox2! at September 02, 2018 05:55 PM (brIR5)

381 379. ,..Cont...though I must say your story reeks of bullshit. My family lived in 3rd world conditions in a foreign country and were able to establish a paper trail that enabled them to get a passport, as did other legal immigrants I know who left their country under extreme conditions. If you can't establish parents' natality, how did you get a SSN?

Posted by: kallisto at September 02, 2018 05:58 PM (7GBH9)

382 331 My second guess would have been San Marino.
Posted by: hogmartin at September 02, 2018 04:15 PM (y87Qq)

I was going to go with Andorra.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at September 02, 2018 04:16 PM (2DOZq)

The Sovereign Military Order of the Hospital of St. John of Jerusalem, Cyprus, Rhodes, and Malta.

Posted by: Fox2! at September 02, 2018 06:18 PM (brIR5)

383 It seems to me (yeah I have irl crap to do I didn't read the entire comments) that what we ought to do is go after these "midwives" and such. Just like employers we catch employing illegals. String them all up (figuratively NOT literally). I am pretty sure that 20 years in prison would deter most of this crapola if it became well known that that was the cost of falsifying birth certificates. Just like millions of dollars of fines would deter any business.
I don't have a problem with Hispanic/Latino (whatever) people who want to live here and work and be American. I have a problem with people who break our laws. You want to be in my "family"? Then don't break into my house and steal my stuff. Try coming over and introducing yourself, and I'll probably just give you some of my stuff.

Posted by: Vukdawg at September 02, 2018 07:03 PM (Gf9VW)

384 "... three years as a private in the Army... "

Is that even possible? 3 years and only private? And, does the US Army have a 3 year contract option?

Posted by: Pugmak at September 03, 2018 12:01 AM (k6WlL)

385 @384:
There are three year enlistments available. It would be unusual for him to only get to Private by then unless he was a real screw up. That might explain why he wants to be anonymous.

Posted by: NR Pax at September 03, 2018 08:15 AM (Z7Jj3)

386 My sister-in-law was in a bad marriage, she got divorced, married again and due to bad times and hardship lost her home, she stored all her papers in a storage facility, then when her new husband fell into unemployment could not pay for the storage and the facility took their belongings and sold them or dumped them along with all he papers.So there went proof she was divorced, remarried a citizen who could drive.She went to get some help from Food Stamps and welfare but since she had no ID, no birth certificate or drivers license and marriage certificate and divorce proof she could not even get the time of day.They told her, "We at this time cannot ascertain that you are even a citizen of the County, City. State or the Nation."She had become a non citizen, who basically did not exist as the woman she was. She could not in truth do anything that needed proof of citizenship. She could not even prove her Social Security number was her own.
It took years to unscrew that pooch!

Posted by: obsidian at September 03, 2018 04:24 PM (7+yqP)

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