David Horowitz Diagnoses Jonah Goldberg and the NeverTrumpers' Cowardly Positioning

Goldberg attacked Horowitz nastily on Twitter; if you care about that, see the link.

In this new column, Horowitz discusses the NeverTrumpers' focus-grouped ploy of claiming they support Trump's conservative policy actions while still hating him -- some, like Bret Stephens, even admitting they "still wish Hillary Clinton were president" -- due to Trump's character defects.

Funny, they never seem to have much to say about Hillary Clinton's character.

Also funny: they seem much more emotionally traumatized by President Trump than they ever were by President Obama. One senses, rather acutely, that they rather liked Obama, but were required for careerist reasons to pretend they didn't.

But anyway, as to this supposedly-I-support-his-policies-but-I-hate-his-character posture: it is strange indeed that they spend so little time or effort or emotion talking up these conservative policies they allegedly support. I guess you'll just have to take their perfunctory word about that.

Horowitz criticizes this stance as cowardly and calculating, for maximum career protection and even career advancement:

The posture of these NeverTrumpers is transparently self-serving. It preserves their intellectual credentials as "conservatives," and simultaneously takes them out of the line of fire from an increasingly vicious Left whose goal is to destroy Trump and his presidency, and--incidentally--conservative America. Sitting on the fence affords them new career opportunities -- appearances on CNN and MSNBC and columns in the New York Times.
All that's required is that they avoid taking sides in the political war that is engulfing the country.
All this reminds me of a memorable Trotsky sneer about liberals, whom he accused of being reluctant to step into the stream of political conflict because they were afraid to get their moral principles wet.

He also says:

The nastiness of [Goldberg's personal attack on me] sentence shocked me. Evidently the hatred of Trump is so fevered it can burn through two decades of cordiality and acquaintance. I wonder if Jonah would be so hostile to someone who shared his view of Trump's character but thought Trump's policies were racist, and tyrannical.

No, he wouldn't be. He was never this purple-facedly enraged at Obama and was one of the guys you could count on to chide you if your criticism of Obama offended the sense of propriety of his liberal friends.

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Comments

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1 I got it in one: cucks gonna cuck

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at August 20, 2018 03:55 PM (dQJCS)

2 First in butt

Posted by: Shep! at August 20, 2018 03:55 PM (G4cUD)

3 Now to read content & call corgis.

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at August 20, 2018 03:55 PM (dQJCS)

4 Dang guess I'll settle for#2 like always

Posted by: Shep! at August 20, 2018 03:55 PM (G4cUD)

5 Yup, they never got this upset about Obama or Hillary.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 20, 2018 03:55 PM (W+vEI)

6 Roomy! And classy!

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Rogue 2 / Shitposter 7 at August 20, 2018 03:55 PM (AM1GF)

7 Those cruise ship buffets are todie for though!
Jonah the Whale

Posted by: steevy at August 20, 2018 03:56 PM (LiyEm)

8 Haz. Boats.

Posted by: Sponge at August 20, 2018 03:56 PM (F4u7C)

9 I hate Trump.

I hate Americans.

And I hate low carb diets

Posted by: Jonah Goldberg's Flab at August 20, 2018 03:56 PM (G4cUD)

10 Those boat glyphs still look like ticks to me. I don't like ticks.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 20, 2018 03:57 PM (OYwKq)

11 Hey Ace.
Sorry for the O/T

Check Sarah Jeong and her new sanitized twitter page out.

You know she's gonna blow a gasket being muzzled like this.

https://wp.me/p6MziH-31sI

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 20, 2018 03:57 PM (wldC6)

12 Preserves their intellectual credentials as Conservatives?Hahahahahahahaha...

Posted by: It's me donna at August 20, 2018 03:57 PM (O2RFr)

13 Great post, gives me a lot to think about.

Posted by: Dr Spank at August 20, 2018 03:57 PM (4e+hS)

14 Jonah Goldberg is STILL butthurt because during the campaign Trump said that he (Jonah) "couldn't afford a pair of pants."

Posted by: Willowed JAS at August 20, 2018 03:57 PM (3HNOQ)

15 If there's a baot with a bunch of old dudes who hate Trump sign me up and tie me to the bed post!

Posted by: Ali Watkins - bent over a table at August 20, 2018 03:58 PM (G4cUD)

16 >>>Check Sarah Jeong and her new sanitized twitter page out.

yeah i've got that one ready to go. Funny.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2018 03:59 PM (PA9oZ)

17 I'm embarrassed that I used to like and read Goldberg's stuff.

At this point I'd rather read Scott Steiner or HHH's political opinions.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 20, 2018 03:59 PM (bcbK8)

18 (Don't tell the fat bastard, but I actually voted for Trump....)

Posted by: The Couch at August 20, 2018 03:59 PM (BRvh1)

19 Does Fox still refer to Jonah as a 'conservative' commentator?

I also understand Ralph Peters will be the commode/head on the Good Ship Kristol.

Posted by: Under Fire at August 20, 2018 03:59 PM (r9UYA)

20 And yet, here we are ...

2 hours until Caesars !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at August 20, 2018 03:59 PM (58Au8)

21 They hate Trump because he made them look foolish and he illustrated how worthless they truly are.

Posted by: garrett at August 20, 2018 03:59 PM (P5inq)

22
Those little ship icons would be more effective if they were sinking.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 20, 2018 03:59 PM (Z1Peh)

23 >>>10 Those boat glyphs still look like ticks to me. I don't like ticks.

well they are filled with ticks.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2018 03:59 PM (PA9oZ)

24 I can too afford pants I just prefer wearing my chaps without them!
Jonah Goldberg

Posted by: steevy at August 20, 2018 03:59 PM (LiyEm)

25 "yeah i've got that one ready to go. Funny."

I should have known you would be at lest one step ahead of me.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 20, 2018 03:59 PM (wldC6)

26 Sitting on the fence affords them new career opportunities -- appearances on CNN and MSNBC and columns in the New York Times.

And playing on the yellow line gets you run over by both lanes of traffic.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 20, 2018 04:00 PM (DKgtk)

27 Jonah says:
Trump watches too much TV -
UNFIT FOR OFFICE OF THE P. period!

Did he ever say this about obama btw?

Posted by: Glenn John at August 20, 2018 04:00 PM (LilNs)

28 14: it was funny. That and calling Frank Luntz a disheveled slob.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 20, 2018 04:00 PM (osT35)

29 18 (Don't tell the fat bastard, but I actually voted for Trump....)
Posted by: The Couch at August 20, 2018 03:59 PM (BRvh1)

ISWYDT

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 20, 2018 04:00 PM (bcbK8)

30 >>>I should have known you would be at lest one step ahead of me.

just the one.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2018 04:00 PM (PA9oZ)

31 Never Trumpeters are just exploiting the situation for money.
They would have had plenty of fodder for non-stop bitching, had clinton won.This is how they cut their losses.

Posted by: Roland THTG at August 20, 2018 04:00 PM (xBSm0)

32 I have stated I have no room for Nevers

Posted by: Skip at August 20, 2018 04:01 PM (lxZ71)

33 Those ship icons would look so much better in profile just after a torpedo hit between the stacks or just aft of the stack.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at August 20, 2018 04:01 PM (37IEG)

34 >>Jonah Goldberg is STILL butthurt because during the campaign Trump said that he (Jonah) "couldn't afford a pair of pants."

And he abandoned....Roy Cohn!

Uh, okay...

Posted by: Lizzy at August 20, 2018 04:01 PM (W+vEI)

35 The only reason to even pay attention to the, " Too Conservative for Words, Peasant!", is to mock and ridicule them.
My part time kitteh is more consistent than these drooling, wanna be elite thought leaders. Snobs and putzes.

Posted by: Winston at August 20, 2018 04:02 PM (wgCUV)

36 I diagnose them with Assholine Personality Disorder with Narcissistic Tendencies

Posted by: Mega at August 20, 2018 04:02 PM (nTagT)

37 Not one bracket.

Not. One. Bracket.

Posted by: That smarmy corksoaker on ESPN... you know the one... awww, screw it they're all the same anyway at August 20, 2018 04:02 PM (BRvh1)

38 Those boat glyphs still look like ticks to me. I don't like ticks.

well they are filled with ticks.
Posted by: ace

Poli meaning "many"

tics meaning ....

Posted by: rickb223 at August 20, 2018 04:02 PM (DKgtk)

39 The ships should be flying the LBGTQLMNOP flag.

Posted by: Under Fire at August 20, 2018 04:02 PM (r9UYA)

40 Who's Jonah Goldberg?

Posted by: dantesed at August 20, 2018 04:02 PM (88xKn)

41 Rush, for years, has been calling people out on symbolism without substance.

That's what the NeverTrumpers are. They reduced conservatism to symbols they could feel good about, little baubles that flatter the wearer and nothing more. It was cheap, easy play-acting that made them feel heroic.

Now the voters have finally, despite the Establishment's efforts, got their hands on something with substance. It's not pretty, but it gets the job done. We're ecstatic. They're appalled, because they put symbolism over substance.

Posted by: Cato by Phone at August 20, 2018 04:02 PM (J+mig)

42 Has Tater weighed in yet?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 20, 2018 04:02 PM (ctuyM)

43 "They hate Trump because he made them look foolish and he illustrated how worthless they truly are."

I disagree.

He didn't make them look foolish.

He may have provided them with a fork in the road of life, and an opportunity to exercise their intellect, which they failed to do.

But the foolishness was their choice.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 20, 2018 04:02 PM (wldC6)

44 "No, he wouldn't be. He was never this purple-facedly enraged at Obama and was one of the guys you could count on to chide you if your criticism of Obama offended the sense of propriety of his liberal friends."

Ace, I respectfully disagree on this point (agree with the rest). Jonah's "To Hell With You People" post after Biden called Republicans terrorists on the same day Gabby Giffords returned to Congress was very forceful and appropriate.

Posted by: Benji Carver at August 20, 2018 04:02 PM (OD2ni)

45 I wonder if you could make the boats "sinking" by using HTML code. Make them in a cell box, and then have the text go bottom to top.

An HTML wizard would have to figure that one out.

Posted by: Scott T. at August 20, 2018 04:02 PM (xGZ+b)

46 three cruise ships, not where that fits on the flaming skull scale.

Flaming Skull is hot burning newscruise ship is ... paycheck neverTrumper duplicity?

Posted by: illiniwek at August 20, 2018 04:02 PM (bT8Z4)

47 Jonah says:
Trump watches too much TV -
UNFIT FOR OFFICE OF THE P. period!

Gotta do something during the cool refreshing Diet Coke break!

Posted by: Bruce at August 20, 2018 04:03 PM (8ikIW)

48 27
Jonah says:

Trump watches too much TV -

UNFIT FOR OFFICE OF THE P. period!

Did he ever say this about obama btw?

Posted by: Glenn John at August 20, 2018 04:00 PM (LilNs)
Well, no...After all, Obama only watched TV on Friday evening when he would discover things about his administration that he didn't know.
Other than that, he spent all his time either on the golf course, or planning his next golf adventure.
Or a gun toting bike riding photo op vacation.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at August 20, 2018 04:03 PM (37IEG)

49 I used to adore Jonah Goldberg. Even went to see him speak and have him sign my copy of Liberal Fascism. I'm now embarrassed by that, more than I ever was about my childhood crush on Shaun Cassidy. Now I wouldn't wipe Cassidy's shoes with Goldberg's face.

Posted by: someone random at August 20, 2018 04:03 PM (6FY0P)

50 So much of the Washington/New York douchebags who call themselves conservatives, it's all just a game. They're playing their part in the game. The other side are opponents, and they try to "win" if they can, but in the end everyone goes out for bangers and mash afterwards.

So Trump is Rodney Dangerfield in Judge Smails' country club.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 20, 2018 04:03 PM (9chmE)

51 Jonah Goldberg was never that great.

Posted by: Andrew Cuomo's teleprompter at August 20, 2018 04:04 PM (2OiAb)

52 Check Sarah Jeong and her new sanitized twitter page out.

You know she's gonna blow a gasket being muzzled like this.

https://wp.me/p6MziH-31sI
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice

Needs a bunch of white male conservatives to stop by and give her words of encouragement.

"You go sugartits!"

Posted by: rickb223 at August 20, 2018 04:04 PM (DKgtk)

53 Goldberg's tweet was way out of line.

Posted by: grammie winger at August 20, 2018 04:04 PM (lwiT4)

54 "I also understand Ralph Peters will be the commode/head on the Good Ship Kristol."

Peters is not a conservative and has never claimed to be. He is just a lib that likes seeing American soldiers die in the Middle East.

Posted by: Benji Carver at August 20, 2018 04:04 PM (OD2ni)

55 Those ships don't look very seaworthy.

Posted by: Boz Scabbs at August 20, 2018 04:04 PM (/tuJf)

56 44 "No, he wouldn't be. He was never this purple-facedly enraged at Obama and was one of the guys you could count on to chide you if your criticism of Obama offended the sense of propriety of his liberal friends."

Ace, I respectfully disagree on this point (agree with the rest). Jonah's "To Hell With You People" post after Biden called Republicans terrorists on the same day Gabby Giffords returned to Congress was very forceful and appropriate.
Posted by: Benji Carver at August 20, 2018 04:02 PM (OD2ni)

That's what makes it worse.

Goldberg knows better. But he's chosen evil with his eyes open and fixed on his own goals.

He's going to be very surprised come Purge Night.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 20, 2018 04:04 PM (bcbK8)

57 >>>42 Has Tater weighed in yet?

He only weighs in when he's crossing bridges.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2018 04:05 PM (PA9oZ)

58 Perhaps these conservatives don't care about conservative policy nearly as much as they profess. Maybe even they prefer suckling and being ruled by leftists.

Revealing presidency, this one.

Posted by: Mega at August 20, 2018 04:05 PM (nTagT)

59 All this reminds me of a memorable Trotsky sneer about liberals, whom he accused of being reluctant to step into the stream of political conflict because they were afraid to get their moral principles wet.

LOL. As if Western leftists had any moral principles ... The Western Left is built on the assumption that there is no such thing as morality.

In the competition of commie descriptions of Western leftists I think Stalin wins with "useful idiots".

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 20, 2018 04:05 PM (OYwKq)

60 Think they also hate him because he does not respect DC, the way things are done, their 'conventional wisdom', and their big egos.

He doesn't *need* them, he doesn't seek their approval or insight. This is what they thrive on: their DC status, their opinions.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 20, 2018 04:05 PM (W+vEI)

61 dammit

Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2018 04:05 PM (/tuJf)

62 Sarah Jing-Jeong? Don't vote for her.

Posted by: Bettie Cookin' on the front burner at August 20, 2018 04:05 PM (2NqXo)

63 "Those ship icons would look so much better in profile just after a torpedo hit between the stacks or just aft of the stack. Posted by: DamnedYankee
ha, yeah, flaming skull,

or for NeverTrump failures ... flaming cruise ships ...

Posted by: illiniwek at August 20, 2018 04:05 PM (bT8Z4)

64 >>>Ace, I respectfully disagree on this point (agree with the rest). Jonah's "To Hell With You People" post after Biden called Republicans terrorists on the same day Gabby Giffords returned to Congress was very forceful and appropriate.
Posted by: Benji Carver

Honestly, I thought of that. But that is a single post.

Can you name a second?

And as commenters have pointed out -- after he expressed that pique for five minutes, he regained his admiration for the liberal media, didn't he?

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2018 04:06 PM (PA9oZ)

65 62 Sarah Jing-Jeong? Don't vote for her.
Posted by: Bettie Cookin' on the front burner at August 20, 2018 04:05 PM (2NqXo)

And don't live within 10 miles of her.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 20, 2018 04:06 PM (bcbK8)

66 Tweeting a glass of water...

Hard-hitting news and commentary there, Sarah.

Posted by: SMH at August 20, 2018 04:06 PM (tOHeO)

67 48 Well, no...After all, Obama only watched TV on Friday evening when he would discover things about his administration that he didn't know.
Other than that, he spent all his time either on the golf course, or planning his next golf adventure.
Or a gun toting bike riding photo op vacation.

you forgot workin' on his brackets.

Posted by: Anachronda at August 20, 2018 04:06 PM (NmR1a)

68 Hi guys, first time caller, long time listener...I'm just going to ask "what's wrong with Trump's character" because from where I'm sitting he seems like a stand up guy. Ok, I'm going to hang up and listen to your reply.

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at August 20, 2018 04:06 PM (GoLZO)

69 Is Tater ghey? Serious question, not snark.

Posted by: your neighbor with a telescope at August 20, 2018 04:07 PM (Y2VBD)

70 Needs a bunch of white male conservatives to stop by and give her words of encouragement.

"You go sugartits!"
Posted by: rickb223 at August 20, 2018 04:04 PM (DKgtk)

---------

Read down to the bottom comments on that link.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at August 20, 2018 04:07 PM (I16G8)

71 Posted by: Lizzy at August 20, 2018 04:05 PM (W+vEI)

Part of the whole symbolism vs. substance thing.

Donald Trump doesn't respect anybody's sacred cows.

And that's why we like him. The political culture in DC is fundamentally broken, and won't be fixed by people who play by its rules.

Posted by: Cato by Phone at August 20, 2018 04:08 PM (J+mig)

72 Why should someone be embarrassed to say that they used to read JG and like him? He wrote good stuff. People change. Maybe he has the Menopause. That can really mess with a person.

Posted by: grammie winger at August 20, 2018 04:08 PM (lwiT4)

73 Remember the post on "who goes Nazi"? Perhaps time to revisit.

Posted by: Mega at August 20, 2018 04:08 PM (nTagT)

74 >>52
Check Sarah Jeong and her new sanitized twitter page out.

You know she's gonna blow a gasket being muzzled like this.

Has she started supporting The GAP and Wall-Mart yet?

Posted by: Under Fire at August 20, 2018 04:08 PM (r9UYA)

75 Look back on Goldberg's old columns on Obama. When reading, one gets the sense they are along the lines of "Oh, we simply disagree on the margins in a gentlemanly way".
They are never this unhinged "Gee, Hillary would have been a better choice than The Orange Cheetos President, come ride on my cruise ship" crap.
And if there was a chance this ever came to fists, York wouldn't be talking shit. He would be hiding in his cabin on his knees begging old Captain Billy to protect him. Weasel.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 20, 2018 04:08 PM (VpIIl)

76 Love the sin, hate the sinner.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at August 20, 2018 04:08 PM (20PQ5)

77 "Trump's character" = "We wanted Jeb; then we were wrong about the election; then we were wrong about the aftermath"

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 20, 2018 04:08 PM (Boy/L)

78 >>>Goldberg attacked Horowitz nastily on Twitter<<<

Jonah and the wail.

Posted by: an indifferent penguin at August 20, 2018 04:09 PM (W6z+Y)

79 Name one conservative position or politician that National Review can claim credit for getting to the finish line.

You can't.

They're not even conservative cheerleaders-- at least with cheerleaders, you know what team they want to win.

"GO GIANTS, GO!! Except if Eli is the QB-- GO COWBOYS, GO!!!"

Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at August 20, 2018 04:09 PM (TN1P5)

80 Those little ship icons would be more effective if they were sinking.

Needs an iceberg.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 20, 2018 04:09 PM (yQpMk)

81 I was at a birthday dinner Saturday and found one of my friends ( actually an ancillary friend of a large group) to be a NeverTrumper. First time I heard a NeverTrumper charge that Trump was fiscally liberal with one example the cost of building an unnecessary wall. I let him have it with both fact barrels . He was mortally wounded but as expected used a number of non sequiturs before he expired .

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at August 20, 2018 04:09 PM (m/vQu)

82 "Is Tater ghey? Serious question, not snark."

Wanna know how you can tell?

If his penis tastes like fecal matter....

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 20, 2018 04:09 PM (wldC6)

83 The thing about Goldberg's tweeted insult is that he probably didn't think of it as an insult. Among swamp dwellers, that is how opposition plays out: public fights, private cocktail parties.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 20, 2018 04:09 PM (2lndx)

84 Young. Good looking. I'm the improved version of Gavin Newsom!

�

Posted by: Justin T. at August 20, 2018 04:09 PM (ctuyM)

85 That's Lieutenant Colonel Ralph Peters.

O-5.

Not exactly a heavyweight.

Posted by: Willowed JAS at August 20, 2018 04:09 PM (3HNOQ)

86 Ha Shaun Cassidy,my sister had a poster of him in her room...

Posted by: steevy at August 20, 2018 04:10 PM (LiyEm)

87 It's not so much as Trump v NeverTrump as it is about Status v Non-Status. The Status people don't like us, be we R or D. It's a caste system and we are the untouchables.

Posted by: grammie winger at August 20, 2018 04:10 PM (lwiT4)

88 22 Those little ship icons would be more effective if they were sinking.

submit a proposal to the unicode folks

Posted by: Anachronda at August 20, 2018 04:10 PM (NmR1a)

89 And don't any of you try to #OwnTheLibs! That's just awful and horrible!

/Tracinski

Posted by: buzzion at August 20, 2018 04:10 PM (zRwJ/)

90 Horowitz is truly one of the good guys. He knows the left and isn't afraid of them.

Posted by: DR.WTF? at August 20, 2018 04:10 PM (T71PA)

91 Well, when your job requires your Keen Political Insight and Trump comes along and blows up your world view and all of your predictions...

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Trump made you look the fool.

Posted by: garrett at August 20, 2018 04:10 PM (P5inq)

92 High as a tick on flea dust.

Posted by: wth at August 20, 2018 04:10 PM (HgMAr)

93 What does President-Elect Chelsea Clinton have to say about all this?

Posted by: Publius Redux at August 20, 2018 04:11 PM (Fb9aZ)

94 Only the presence of Ceti eels explains the likes of some portion of the NeoTrueCons. That or they were never really conservative to begin with except as a debating position from which to receive a check because there was less competition in the Media Industrial Complex.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at August 20, 2018 04:11 PM (6eEQ+)

95 Shaun Cassidy vs Andy Gibb. Hmmmm

Posted by: grammie winger at August 20, 2018 04:11 PM (lwiT4)

96 >>Trump watches too much TV -

According to who?

It was the Obamas who were obsessed with tv. Obama loved his daily morning of ESPN, his HB and Showtime series (get those Game of Thrones season in advance!) and schmoozing with actors.

Barack and Michelle were also obsessed with being on tv, whether it was the Oscars, Nick Kids Awards, SuperBowl, Nashville, Mythbusters, Ellen, etc.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 20, 2018 04:11 PM (W+vEI)

97 It's says he is married. He really looks like a fat ghey joker. Maybe it's the industry he is in where most dudes are light in the loafers.

Posted by: your neighbor with a telescope at August 20, 2018 04:11 PM (Y2VBD)

98 President Trumps greatest sin is liking, no loving us the deplorable s. The left gave him a pass mostly when he was one of the NY elite. Now that he has let it be known that he loves middle America he is the devil.

All of the TDS comes from hatred of the flyover others.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at August 20, 2018 04:12 PM (0OmEj)

99 >>Shaun Cassidy vs Andy Gibb. Hmmmm

Oh dear!

Posted by: Lizzy at August 20, 2018 04:12 PM (W+vEI)

100 Apparently your primitive software does not support properly the Canadian flag emoji.

Posted by: Justin T. at August 20, 2018 04:12 PM (ctuyM)

101 Busy working those glory portholes with muh principles in tow. I could stay at sea forever...

Posted by: Cuckstar Rick Wilson at August 20, 2018 04:12 PM (yhf6w)

102 What's with the three boxes at the bottom of the post?

Posted by: rickl at August 20, 2018 04:12 PM (xjiRE)

103 My penis only tastes like shit because it's SO LONG IT DIPS IN THE TOILET WATER WHEN I POO!!!!

....

whew. Do you think they bought it?

Posted by: Jonah Goldberg NUMBER ONE TRU ALPHA MALE at August 20, 2018 04:12 PM (G4cUD)

104 I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Trump made you look the fool.

Like many, I didn't take him seriously at first. Then I did. And I said all along that he would beat the Bollard Whisperer.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 20, 2018 04:12 PM (Boy/L)

105 Why should someone be embarrassed to say that they used to read JG and like him? He wrote good stuff. People change. Maybe he has the Menopause. That can really mess with a person.
Posted by: grammie winger at August 20, 2018 04:08 PM (lwiT4)

I'm one that has always disliked his writing. He always had to add in a disclaimer when criticizing the Left, that the Right also did these things he was criticizing. He has always been a cuck to the DC cocktail circuit IMHO.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at August 20, 2018 04:12 PM (m/vQu)

106 "Honestly, I thought of that. But that is a single post.

Can you name a second?

And as commenters have pointed out -- after he expressed that pique for five minutes, he regained his admiration for the liberal media, didn't he?

Posted by: ace"

No, I can't name a second. But that one has always stuck with me because it was such a perfect response to those awful people.

I don't put Jonah in the same category as a-holes like Max Boot and Jen Rubin, but he has been very disappointng because he does know better as pointed out above. He also used to quote you often in his G-File and believe he referred to you as "indispenable." I am more saddened by Jonah than angry.

Posted by: Benji Carver at August 20, 2018 04:13 PM (OD2ni)

107 It's not so much as Trump v NeverTrump as it is about Status v Non-Status. The Status people don't like us, be we R or D. It's a caste system and we are the untouchables.

Posted by: grammie winger at August 20, 2018 04:10 PM (lwiT4)

I think you just made my point better than I was. There's a whole aristocratic, self-flattering pretension built into the symbolism. These people see us (and Trump, who is just a regular guy with more money) as a threat to their clique.

Posted by: Cato by Phone at August 20, 2018 04:13 PM (J+mig)

108 I don't respect men with ugly wives

Posted by: Donald Trump at August 20, 2018 04:13 PM (G4cUD)

109 Jonah Goldberg is a dog f*cker. RIP Cosmo.

Posted by: OCBill at August 20, 2018 04:13 PM (df+Zi)

110 It was the Obamas who were obsessed with avoiding work by watching tv and convincing themselves that they were TV stars .

*Suggested edit*

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 20, 2018 04:13 PM (wldC6)

111 What boggles my mind is that Goldberg's ego is so inflated that he can't admit he was wrong about Trump.

Goldberg!

The biggest geek on the cruise ship. It's not like he was ever the post popular or most intellectual cat at NR.

This is like watching Wil Wheaton whine about stuff. They're both lightweights.*

*Liberal Fascism excepted, that was well-researched

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 20, 2018 04:13 PM (bcbK8)

112 >>>69 Is Tater ghey? Serious question, not snark.

This is gonna blow yo mind but I think he's straight. I think he had this conspiracy theory about FoxNews setting him up with a honey-trap female date who was really some kind of spy for them.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2018 04:13 PM (PA9oZ)

113 If his penis tastes like fecal matter....
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 20, 2018 04:09 PM

Two great tastes that go great together!

Posted by: Shep! at August 20, 2018 04:13 PM (ctuyM)

114 Grump928(c): "Needs an iceberg"

...shaped like Trump's Hair.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at August 20, 2018 04:14 PM (6eEQ+)

115 Just the punchline -
"What do you mean I didn't save you? I sent a raft, a boat, and a helicopter."

Posted by: 2009Refugee at August 20, 2018 04:14 PM (wPrg9)

116 Shaun Cassidy vs Andy Gibb. Hmmmm

Posted by: grammie winger

You are a child.

You should be David Cassidy vs. Bobby Sherman, or mabye vs. Barry Gibb.

Are you sure you're old enough to be a grammie?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 20, 2018 04:14 PM (fuK7c)

117 If they were frog-marching redneck asses into nondeplorable re-education, how many of these "commentators" would stand by and let them do it as long as it didn't affect their bottom line?

How many would justify it rhetorically?

How many would stand guard outside the gate?

Posted by: Mega at August 20, 2018 04:14 PM (nTagT)

118 Torpedos away!

Posted by: wth at August 20, 2018 04:14 PM (HgMAr)

119 76
Love the sin, hate the sinner.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at August 20, 2018 04:08 PM (20PQ5)
Nevertrumpers and GOPe version -
Damn the host, but stay for dinner.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at August 20, 2018 04:14 PM (37IEG)

120 100 Apparently your primitive software does not support properly the Canadian flag emoji.
Posted by: Justin T. at August 20, 2018 04:12 PM (ctuyM)

I think that even if we had an updated software we should intentionally disable the flag emoji of those syrup chuggers.

Posted by: buzzion at August 20, 2018 04:15 PM (zRwJ/)

121 >>"Is Tater ghey? Serious question, not snark."

You would think. Or maybe an asexual weeble.
However, he is married to some NYC weather gal (or some media type), Jamie Shupak.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 20, 2018 04:15 PM (W+vEI)

122
I checked online and those are the low budget cruise ship emojis.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at August 20, 2018 04:15 PM (10vO4)

123 It's not so much as Trump v NeverTrump as it is about Status v Non-Status. The Status people don't like us, be we R or D. It's a caste system and we are the untouchables.

Posted by: grammie winger at August 20, 2018 04:10 PM (lwiT4)
---
That is *totally* it. Trump and some theorists around Trump made me realize that it's never been a game about "right", but "right" is a type of status--and the social sphere is *all* about status.

As an intellectual it initially dismayed me. But if you're going to win the game, you have to win the game people are *actually* playing. Not the game you think they should be playing.

As an intellectual concept: pragmatism is a virtue.

Posted by: Axeman at August 20, 2018 04:15 PM (vDqXW)

124 Lieutenant Colonel is like an Masters Degree. It's the most you can get by just serving your time without being kicked out of school.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 20, 2018 04:15 PM (yQpMk)

125 "It's says he is married. He really looks like a fat ghey joker. Maybe it's the industry he is in where most dudes are light in the loafers.
Posted by: your neighbor with a telescope"

Jonah's wife works for Nikki Haley I believe. She wrote a great book on Title IX years ago.

Posted by: Benji Carver at August 20, 2018 04:15 PM (OD2ni)

126 >>>120 100 Apparently your primitive software does not support properly the Canadian flag emoji.
Posted by: Justin T. at August 20, 2018 04:12 PM (ctuyM)

I think that even if we had an updated software we should intentionally disable the flag emoji of those syrup chuggers.
Posted by: buzzion

...

I have Canada flagged as offensive content. I've deplatformed that entire country of socialist snow-wops.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2018 04:16 PM (PA9oZ)

127 i'm glad this subject has come up. i've never been a fan of trump - his relentless self-promotion being the worst of it - and don't know if i like him any bit more now. maybe a little.

but it's never the point. when you think of past presidents over the centuries, do you wonder if you like them? that polk - what a great guy! boy, i'd love to have a beer with harrison!

no. the only thing we consider in past presidencies is their policies. and i fully support what trump is doing, even if i have reservations about tariffs or other specific points, his success and overall conservative achievements lead me to give him the benefit of the doubt.

policies not personalities.

Posted by: mjc at August 20, 2018 04:16 PM (Pg+x7)

128 121 >>"Is Tater ghey? Serious question, not snark."

You would think. Or maybe an asexual weeble.
However, he is married to some NYC weather gal (or some media type), Jamie Shupak.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 20, 2018 04:15 PM (W+vEI)

Boy did she marry down.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 20, 2018 04:16 PM (bcbK8)

129 OT: anybody have any experience with a pulled muscle that runs down the neck and back to the bottom of the shoulder blades? What did you do to still excercise and heal up? It's been 2 months and keeps flaring up and each time it flares up, it's worse.

Posted by: your neighbor with a telescope at August 20, 2018 04:16 PM (Y2VBD)

130 I'm the last one to defend Trump's personality or specific moral failings but they have nothing to do with the job he is doing and bottom line that is all that counts.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at August 20, 2018 04:16 PM (m/vQu)

131 82 "Is Tater ghey? Serious question, not snark."

Wanna know how you can tell?

If his penis tastes like fecal matter....

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 20, 2018 04:09 PM (wldC6)

I suspect Tater is a pedophile. He's got pedo face. Compare him to Jared from Subway. They could be brothers.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 20, 2018 04:16 PM (4ErVI)

132 Policies and results are all that matter - when we're talking about the big issues.

Obviously.

And Goldberg's/others' "character" stuff is idiotic as well. Political character: Trump has the best political character in generations, possibly in modern history (he does what he says he'll do - that's 95% of political character). Personal character: Trump has equal/superior personal character to 90% of the "elites", incl. the very dumbed down/corrupt/failed Beltway elite.

It's by far the best not to have any need or much interest in the opinings of such as Goldberg - because you actually understand important issues yourself and have figured them out - but if you somehow aren't in that position ..... best to completely disregard all these people who've beclowned themselves the last 18 months.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 20, 2018 04:16 PM (QDnY+)

133 I was listening to a few VDH videos this weekend, and Victor seems to have a line he repeats, that is devastaing. Something to the effect that he's being lectured about immigration, by a bunch of coastal elites, and he tells them to get back to him when they find a dead body on their property, as he has.

So that's his dividing line with his "friends" in the conservopress: Those who have found dead bodies on their property, and those have not.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 20, 2018 04:16 PM (9chmE)

134 Jonah's attack astounded me when I saw it. He's a guy whose whole world is cracking, and his livelihood is slipping away. I get all that. He hates Trump's personal character, and I get that too. But his assault on Horowitz was way over the top.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, sitting quietly in the corner at August 20, 2018 04:16 PM (ULoJS)

135 96 >>Trump watches too much TV -

According to who?

It was the Obamas who were obsessed with tv. Obama loved his daily morning of ESPN, his HB and Showtime series (get those Game of Thrones season in advance!) and schmoozing with actors.

Barack and Michelle were also obsessed with being on tv, whether it was the Oscars, Nick Kids Awards, SuperBowl, Nashville, Mythbusters, Ellen, etc.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 20, 2018 04:11 PM (W+vEI)
--------

Who F'ing cares!

Don't get drawn into a senseless argument about how much TV POTUS should or should not be watching.

They're trying to distract from the fact that Trump is getting things done policy wise.

Posted by: WisRich at August 20, 2018 04:16 PM (G0vdT)

136 126 >>>120 100 Apparently your primitive software does not support properly the Canadian flag emoji.
Posted by: Justin T. at August 20, 2018 04:12 PM (ctuyM)

I think that even if we had an updated software we should intentionally disable the flag emoji of those syrup chuggers.
Posted by: buzzion

...

I have Canada flagged as offensive content. I've deplatformed that entire country of socialist snow-wops.
Posted by: ace at August 20, 2018 04:16 PM (PA9oZ)

Day of the rake! Day of the rake!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 20, 2018 04:16 PM (bcbK8)

137 You should be David Cassidy vs. Bobby Sherman, or mabye vs. Barry Gibb.

Are you sure you're old enough to be a grammie?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 20, 2018 04:14 PM (fuK7c)

Am I old enough? Oh hon, my first crush was Dr. Kildare.

Posted by: grammie winger at August 20, 2018 04:16 PM (lwiT4)

138 126 >>>120 100 Apparently your primitive software does not support properly the Canadian flag emoji.
Posted by: Justin T. at August 20, 2018 04:12 PM (ctuyM)

I think that even if we had an updated software we should intentionally disable the flag emoji of those syrup chuggers.
Posted by: buzzion

...

I have Canada flagged as offensive content. I've deplatformed that entire country of socialist snow-wops.
Posted by: ace at August 20, 2018 04:16 PM (PA9oZ)

They're Candis*

Canadian Scandi wannabes.

Posted by: buzzion at August 20, 2018 04:17 PM (zRwJ/)

139 "I have Canada flagged as offensive content. I've deplatformed that entire country of socialist snow-wops."

We're sorry

Posted by: Canada at August 20, 2018 04:17 PM (wldC6)

140 Horowitz struck a nerve. These guys - like Stephens - who says "I still wish Hillary was President" is exactly what Horowitz says is happening.

You don't read Stephens writing about conservative judges, increased US Military strength (increased funding), the demise of Obamacare and would have been except Muh Principles McCain.

Stephens and his ilk are stuck - on the fence like cowards that Horowitz says they are. If they truly are conservatives, they should be writing about Trump's conservative victories - but they can't and still keep their cocktail invitations. So they say, yes, Trump has had some victories (But Gorsuch !!) while writing about Hillary being president. They aren't cowards. They're chickenshits. And as others have said, I don't see where they wrote a whole lot about Hillary's character, except when it was fashionable. Now that it's not fashionable, they don't.

Horowitz is over the target. These guys know they won't be leading any large conservative charge. As stated, the victories Trump is striving for and has somewhat achieved, were promised long ago for just a few more election dollars. Any other president of R listing would have folded. Trump doesn't fold. And that's what pisses these guys off. They could have still maintained their R "principles" while telling Jeb to ditch Sessions all the while keeping their cocktail invitations.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at August 20, 2018 04:17 PM (q1VoB)

141 Obama once told an interviewer all the shows he watched and it was extensive.Add that to getting out of bed at the crack of 10 and all the Sports and Sportcenter he watched plus movie night at the WH and all the vacations and he"worked" about 10 minutes in 8 years...

Posted by: steevy at August 20, 2018 04:17 PM (LiyEm)

142 Goldberg is a punk next to David Horowitz.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at August 20, 2018 04:17 PM (H8QX8)

143 It's not that Trump exposed how weak and worthless these guys are to us-- it's that he exposed how weak and worthless they are to their FRIENDS.

That's what really stings, the cut to the bone.

Recall, these were all the same guys who got together before the nomination with their liberal buddies and promised they'd stop Trump.
They made a promise, the currency they offered was the power and influence they swore to have ...

Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at August 20, 2018 04:17 PM (TN1P5)

144 ace, I think the proper term of abuse is "icebacks" for the canucks.

Or is that for dirty scandis?

Posted by: rhomboid at August 20, 2018 04:18 PM (QDnY+)

145 I may be a loser.

I may be fat.

I may fantasize about getting a retweeted by Kevin Spacy

I may even have a innie penis.

But I could still beat Ben Shapiro in a fight!

Posted by: Jonah Goldberg's non-existent masculinity at August 20, 2018 04:18 PM (G4cUD)

146 Breaking news from CNN!

CNN Politics
@CNNPolitics
The soft power impact of Ruth Bader Ginsburg's decorative collars

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 20, 2018 04:18 PM (+y/Ru)

147 Sitting on the fence affords them new career opportunities -- appearances on CNN and MSNBC and columns in the New York Times.

And playing on the yellow line gets you run over by both lanes of traffic.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 20, 2018 04:00 PM (DKgtk)

they hope to be shot last...

Posted by: SturmToddler at August 20, 2018 04:18 PM (8D42x)

148 To expand on my previous post. Conservatives were *losing* because they were playing a game of "right principles" and "correct and measured reasoning" --and they were solid in their own right.

But it's *not* the game the left is playing when they are distorting and redefining our Constitution in front of the voting public.

Not only that, but as borders become more porous and as the other side cares less how much it plays by the rules--without a universal understanding of "the game we should be playing", you're going to end up playing the game that humans play anyway.

Posted by: Axeman at August 20, 2018 04:18 PM (vDqXW)

149 Jonah who?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 20, 2018 04:18 PM (ptqGC)

150 "that entire country of socialist snow-wops."

Since I'm a guest I will not demand compensation replacement for my now IT-coffee drenched keyboard.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at August 20, 2018 04:18 PM (37IEG)

151 I know many good and fine Canadians.

They all live here in the US.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 20, 2018 04:18 PM (wldC6)

152 If one were a Frenchmen in say 1944, you could support one of de Gaulle or P�tain.

De Gaulle was an arrogant asshole of questionable morals. He was also the most notable resistance to National Socialism in France.

P�tain was the figurehead serving the national socialists in France.

I don't see any way in which a freedom loving Frenchman could argue for his support of Petain because of the icky-ness of de Gaulle.

This is the same deal. We are in a war we are broadly losing and we've just gotten our first leader willing to fight. Give him feedback, argue for how he could do things better - but going Vichy as Goldberg and co have done is surrendering to National Socialism - in this case literally not just figuratively.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 20, 2018 04:19 PM (eSx+E)

153 It is a lie to say we wanted Hillary to win. Nonsense! Chelsea should be president. Spinach pancakes in every pot, an email server in every garage.

Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at August 20, 2018 04:19 PM (2NqXo)

154 ace, I think the proper term of abuse is "icebacks" for the canucks.

Or is that for dirty scandis?

I think "icebacks" is reserved for snow wops.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 20, 2018 04:19 PM (fuK7c)

155 Am I old enough? Oh hon, my first crush was Dr. Kildare.

He's a fag.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 20, 2018 04:19 PM (yQpMk)

156 someone had a theory about these guys that in many cases they're very influenced by their wives, who are #Resistance, and they don't have the stones to disagree with them or their yoga instructor hook-ups.

I think that's a bit charitable, but I thought I'd just mention it.

I do know that I am aware of some men being pulled in the opposite direction by strongly pro-Trump (or at least anti-leftist-hysteria-about-Trump and anti-NeverTrump) wives and significant others.

So I guess it's possible.

Though I don't know if I'd let them off with the Jimmy Buffet Margaritaville defense.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2018 04:19 PM (PA9oZ)

157 Is stockholm syndrome at all relevant to the modern "conservative" commentariat?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 20, 2018 04:20 PM (BRvh1)

158

Horowitz is dead on.

The never trumpers ARE cowards. We are stronger together (silly type slogan, but so true. Just look at the Democrats for the past decade or more.)

These cowards are now in the wrong business, although if they can get away with it, they will continue to be charlatans for the money and "prestige."

It's fine to switch parties, but they are not owning up, and we have enough fake news to go around. We do not need more fake journalists or opinion writers.

They are definitely feeling the heat if Goldberg attacked a one time (friendly) associate.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 20, 2018 04:20 PM (uPlWr)

159 " "what's wrong with Trump's character" because from where I'm sitting he seems like a stand up guy." krystal

yeah, imo his character is good ... he had a lot of women, and who in DC doesn't (privately) brag about that? Not many. The character assassination team didn't just go after Trump for their fabricated Russia crap ... they also fabricated the misogynist and racist crap.

He is more man of the people, probably intentionally not too tied to the NY/DC "mafia". And much of his brand name braggadocio serves him well in a business with his name on it.

I watched some special on the P-51 mustang fighter pilots in WW2, and how they had huge egos. Well that was essential, and certainly it is essential for Trump taking on the whole DC cartel. Plenty of old interviews show a very competent and cordial DJT.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 20, 2018 04:20 PM (bT8Z4)

160 Everything they say about Trump is what Obama really was.

Shady, Narcissist, Liar, Lazy, Uninformed, Offensive, Spoke Poorly Off the Cuff, etc

Everything they said about Obama is what Trump really is.

Historic First, Change Agent, Uniter, Intelligent, Great Hope, etc etc

Posted by: Mega at August 20, 2018 04:20 PM (nTagT)

161 So, Jonah Goldberg is a steaming pile of pigshit. 'Nuff said, case closed.

Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at August 20, 2018 04:20 PM (FTPVM)

162 146
Breaking news from CNN!

CNN Politics

@CNNPolitics

The soft power impact of Ruth Bader Ginsburg's decorative collars

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 20, 2018 04:18 PM (+y/Ru)
Yeah, maybe little Ruthie can splain to us about the dead South African farmers and their former properties. She'd probably tell us it was a great demonstration of the eminent domain principles she embraces.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at August 20, 2018 04:20 PM (37IEG)

163 Jonah is obviously being foolish. Lots of Presidents have had low moral character. Heck, maybe even most Presidents.

So, that can't be the reason for Goldberg's departure from reason. Stress induced attacks are not uncommon, especially given what a weak person Jonah seems to be. I think he sees Trump as a real life Colonel Nathan Jessup, on the edge of breaking apart in the court room, and it frustrates JG to no end that Trump just will not admit he ordered the Code Red, as he should

Posted by: Huck Follywood, sitting quietly in the corner at August 20, 2018 04:20 PM (ULoJS)

164 But I could still beat Ben Shapiro in a fight!

That's what you think, Gargamel.

Posted by: three apples tall at August 20, 2018 04:21 PM (yQpMk)

165 I thought the Style Guide has Scandis as "dirty Scandi ice backs."

Perhaps we should call our neighbors to the north "hockey puck wops."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 20, 2018 04:21 PM (ptqGC)

166
He's a fag.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 20, 2018 04:19 PM (yQpMk)
Which wouldn't be so bad, if it weren't absolutely true.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at August 20, 2018 04:21 PM (37IEG)

167 Some mean bitch attached another snotty bitch nastily on Twitter. Most people were at work and couldn't GAF.

Posted by: Roy at August 20, 2018 04:21 PM (A5R3R)

168 128 121 >>"Is Tater ghey? Serious question, not snark."

You would think. Or maybe an asexual weeble.
However, he is married to some NYC weather gal (or some media type), Jamie Shupak.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 20, 2018 04:15 PM (W+vEI)

Boy did she marry down.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 20, 2018 04:16 PM (bcbK

Yeah, she pings the radar as well as a clown. They look like a.... Well they look like a couple you would imagine living in Gotham on Bateman's radar. A small blip but a blip nonetheless.

Posted by: your neighbor with a telescope at August 20, 2018 04:21 PM (Y2VBD)

169 He hates Trump's personal character

***

This one I don't get at all.

Bill Clinton is still alive right? And he is not person non grata anywhere....right?

Posted by: 18-1 at August 20, 2018 04:21 PM (eSx+E)

170 He's a fag.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 20, 2018 04:19 PM (yQpMk)

which came as a crushing blow to my inner pre-teen.

Posted by: grammie winger at August 20, 2018 04:21 PM (lwiT4)

171 157 Is stockholm syndrome at all relevant to the modern "conservative" commentariat?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 20, 2018 04:20 PM (BRvh1)

I think its more like middle school syndrome / cool kids / mean girls and all that. Plus, money.

Posted by: Captain Carl at August 20, 2018 04:22 PM (/+2fq)

172 "Am I old enough? Oh hon, my first crush was Dr. Kildare. "

Richard Chamberlain?

That's like loving Rock Hudson.

Completely clueless.

Posted by: Willowed JAS at August 20, 2018 04:22 PM (3HNOQ)

173 Batman not Bateman.

Posted by: your neighbor with a telescope at August 20, 2018 04:22 PM (Y2VBD)

174 Alternate Headline: Confirmed -- David Horowitz reads Ace at AoSHQ.

Posted by: ShainS at August 20, 2018 04:22 PM (4zi/P)

175 Canada, a nation of frost-glittered homosexual half-Yetis

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2018 04:22 PM (PA9oZ)

176 Trump has had some victories (But Gorsuch !!)

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at August 20, 2018 04:17 PM (q1VoB)
---
I *hate* that phrase. If you don't *understand* how *sound* an argument "But Gorsuch!!" is, then I don't really want your incompetent ass on my team.

And through 1000x more flubs by Trump, "But Gorsuch" will ring true. Because the Constitution is all I gambled on him for. It was enough before--it has to be enough now.

Posted by: Axeman at August 20, 2018 04:22 PM (vDqXW)

177 Yeah, maybe little Ruthie can splain to us about the dead South African farmers and their former properties.

Yes, good point: I wonder what she thinks of the SA Constitution now.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, sitting quietly in the corner at August 20, 2018 04:22 PM (ULoJS)

178 169 He hates Trump's personal character

***

This one I don't get at all.

Bill Clinton is still alive right? And he is not person non grata anywhere....right?
Posted by: 18-1 at August 20, 2018 04:21 PM (eSx+E)

Actually they've been working on that this year. I think they have a hope to have Billy Boy black balled so Hillary can't try and use him to get into the nomination again.

Posted by: buzzion at August 20, 2018 04:22 PM (zRwJ/)

179 Churchill's quote applies to so many NeverTrumpers now IMO I like posting it.

Goldberg has all the virtues I despise and none of the vices I admire.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at August 20, 2018 04:23 PM (m/vQu)

180 Jonah's attack astounded me when I saw it. He's a guy whose whole world is cracking, and his livelihood is slipping away. I get all that. He hates Trump's personal character, and I get that too. But his assault on Horowitz was way over the top.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, sitting quietly in the corner at August 20, 2018 04:16 PM (ULoJS)

------------

Me too. He is way out of line in his attack. I wonder if he is introspective enough to look over his own "character", considering that he threw away a 20 year friendship to buff up his NeverTrumper creds by tweets?

Nah, that's just crazy talk.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at August 20, 2018 04:23 PM (I16G8)

181 143
It's not that Trump exposed how weak and worthless these guys are to
us-- it's that he exposed how weak and worthless they are to their
FRIENDS.

T
Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at August 20, 2018 04:17 PM (TN1P5)

Friends . . . aka donors.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at August 20, 2018 04:23 PM (q1VoB)

182 Leafs. They're called Leafs, and it prides me to know ace will be with us on the Day of the Rake.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, GECSPLAN, SMR and Ancient Slavonaut Newsletters at August 20, 2018 04:23 PM (fA1SL)

183
96 Barack and Michelle were also obsessed with being on tv, whether it was the Oscars, Nick Kids Awards, SuperBowl, Nashville, Mythbusters, Ellen, etc.

... NCIS ...

Posted by: Anachronda at August 20, 2018 04:23 PM (NmR1a)

184 I'm pretty bored by the NeverTrumpers at this point.

I just don't give two shits about Trump's character. I only care about results. Things like Gorsuch and Kavanaugh are objective facts that affect me, and will go on affecting me, for years. Trump's infidelity hasn't and won't.

Posted by: bear with assymetrical balls at August 20, 2018 04:23 PM (mmU7u)

185
That's Lieutenant Colonel Ralph Peters.

O-5.

Not exactly a heavyweight.

Posted by: Willowed JAS at August 20, 2018 04:09 PM (3HNOQ)

At the Pentagon, the primary function of O-5s is to fetch coffee for flag officers.

And from what I understand, Peters has always been a staff officer, never held a command.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 20, 2018 04:23 PM (veoSD)

186 Why is it so important that Trump be their moral touchstone? Even in the best of time I'm not voting for someone to be my spiritual leader and when Hillary Clinton is on the ballot as the other half of the binary choice then that is not the best of times.

I voted to hire a guy to do a job. That job includes certain basic things like cut my takes, cut regulations, get a handle on illegal immigration and try not to start any friggin wars. Anything I get beyond that is gravy.

It would be nice if Trump was an angel but it sure as hell wasn't part of my job requirement. For the most part he is making my life better and not pissing me off very much. Been a long, long time since I could say that about a president.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2018 04:23 PM (/tuJf)

187 18-1, I didn't know DeGaulle had much of a defined or well-known personal character/ickiness issue during the war?? He was a fairly obscure junior guy who was one of the only ones with a clue in the upper staff ranks.

Also, wasn't he famous for his loving devotion to his Downs' child in later years?

Obviously an obnoxious figure with some damaging approaches to specific policy questions, but didn't know personal ickiness/character were factors.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 20, 2018 04:23 PM (QDnY+)

188 I exchanged a couple of emails with Jonah Goldberg.

He just couldn't see straight.

Posted by: Willowed JAS at August 20, 2018 04:24 PM (3HNOQ)

189 It was almost a mercy my mom died before Richard Chamberlain came out of the closet.She loved that guy and especially The Thorn Birds.

Posted by: steevy at August 20, 2018 04:24 PM (LiyEm)

190 Yeah, man, not every one who lacks the wit and sanity to see the glorious ways of the GEOTUS is a "fag".

But their shit is across the board, most definitely, all retarded.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 20, 2018 04:24 PM (BRvh1)

191 OT: anybody have any experience with a pulled muscle that runs down the neck and back to the bottom of the shoulder blades? What did you do to still excercise and heal up? It's been 2 months and keeps flaring up and each time it flares up, it's worse.

Posted by: your neighbor with a telescope at August 20, 2018 04:16 PM (Y2VBD)
............

Had a pinched nerve radiating back muscle spasms below the shoulder blade to right side last month. Doctor gave me cyclobenzaprine to stop the spasms, it worked well but I had to take it for about 8 days.
Six weeks later I'm back to ROM exercise and only mild pain.

Posted by: wth at August 20, 2018 04:24 PM (HgMAr)

192 Give him feedback, argue for how he could do things
better - but going Vichy as Goldberg and co have done is surrendering to
National Socialism - in this case literally not just figuratively.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 20, 2018 04:19 PM (eSx+E)

But I just bought a case of Vichy Water. I can't just throw it out.

Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at August 20, 2018 04:24 PM (sXefu)

193 Once upon a time Hillary Clinton tried to destroy Jonah Goldberg's mother. And now Jonah carries Hillary's water for her.

I'd love to see someone ask him if he thinks Hillary should have been able to get away with doing so if it would have prevented Trump from becoming president...

Posted by: 18-1 at August 20, 2018 04:24 PM (eSx+E)

194 In exchange for stopping Trump they were promised future TV appearances, advertising overpaid for and a heads up to any Republican scandals (you know, so they could distance from those bad Republicans and remain clean for their friends).

They have been cut off. Utterly cut off.

Now they need to rebrand as the conservative voice liberals will listen to ... and it ain't going too well.

Hence the anger.

Jonah sees not even a pledge drive, swag bag bonanza will float their boat now ...

Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at August 20, 2018 04:24 PM (TN1P5)

195 None of the queens like the guy from Queens.

Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at August 20, 2018 04:25 PM (2NqXo)

196 Am I old enough? Oh hon, my first crush was Dr. Kildare. "

Richard Chamberlain?

That's like loving Rock Hudson.

Completely clueless.
Posted by: Willowed JAS at August 20, 2018 04:22 PM (3HNOQ)

My mom loved Johnny Mathis for a minute. She became less clueless and subsequently had a life time Charlton Heston crush.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at August 20, 2018 04:25 PM (m/vQu)

197 I met David Cassidy while ushering a concert at the State fair, almost got stampeeded by thousands of screaming teenage girls. Met Danny Bonadouch at the beach years later. Guess which one was the big asshole?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at August 20, 2018 04:25 PM (6Ll1u)

198 VD Hanson speaks about how surprised he was the his NR "friends" got so ugly with him. He sums it up pretty well ... this is the KT link form the weekend ... VDH from 2017 ...

https://youtu.be/4YtzgA310t0?t=323

Posted by: illiniwek at August 20, 2018 04:25 PM (bT8Z4)

199 >>I have Canada flagged as offensive content. I've deplatformed that entire country of socialist snow-wops.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2018 04:16 PM (PA9oZ)

They're Candis*

Canadian Scandi wannabes.

Posted by: buzzion

Fucking Burger King owns Tim Horton now. Burger King!
That must roast their cheese curd humping oosiks.

Posted by: Under Fire at August 20, 2018 04:25 PM (r9UYA)

200 >>>Why is it so important that Trump be their moral touchstone? Even in the best of time I'm not voting for someone to be my spiritual leader and when Hillary Clinton is on the ballot as the other half of the binary choice then that is not the best of times.

I voted to hire a guy to do a job. That job includes certain basic things like cut my takes, cut regulations, get a handle on illegal immigration and try not to start any friggin wars. Anything I get beyond that is gravy.

...

I find their position to be childish. I don't need a Daddy. I've got one. I don't need a priest. There are several of those in my area.

There is an idea derided as the Cult of the Presidency, where the president is basically the Father of the Nation and quasi-secular High Pontiff.

That idea is inconsistent with the idea of a state of free men voting for *political*, not spiritual, representatives.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2018 04:26 PM (PA9oZ)

201 >>Once upon a time Hillary Clinton tried to destroy Jonah Goldberg's mother. And now Jonah carries Hillary's water for her.

And during that very same time Trump trashed Jonah's mother very publicly. I've maintained all along that this is a big part of his Trump hate.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2018 04:26 PM (/tuJf)

202 They hated Palin with passion, too.

This is definitely about Trump not being 'one of us.'

Trump can be cringeworthy (was never a fan before he ran for office), but so can a whole bunch of DC schmucks. Uncle 'Bad touch' Biden? 'Send me a naughty selfie' Carlos Danger? Ted 'Waitress Sandwich' Kennedy? Leery Bill Clinton? Puh-lease!!

Lecturing about character in DC is laughable.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 20, 2018 04:26 PM (W+vEI)

203 I stood up to my wife when she tried to put her XXL bespoke prophylactics for The Paolo on the NRO credit card.

I said "No Honey that's a personal expense!"

Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at August 20, 2018 04:26 PM (G4cUD)

204 Trump rubbed his nose in his own shit. He will NEVER forgive or get over that humiliation.

Posted by: Willowed JAS at August 20, 2018 04:26 PM (3HNOQ)

205

EM MEUGLEMENTS FOADDY-FI!!!

Posted by: Maxine Waters' Hair at August 20, 2018 04:26 PM (7AQC5)

206 I am really ashamed I subscribed to NR for almost 30 years before 2016 - I thought they were the good guys.

Posted by: rammajamma at August 20, 2018 04:26 PM (AjNMO)

207 I have Canada flagged as offensive content. I've deplatformed that entire country of socialist snow-wops.

-
Speaking of socialists . . .

https://bit.ly/2w12rJt

Bonus! Michael Moore is like Nostradamus.

https://bit.ly/2MGUGlx

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 20, 2018 04:27 PM (+y/Ru)

208 I think Goldberg is still mad about Trump's "The guy can't buy a pair of pants" comment.

I bet he has his Men's Warehouse receipt in his wallet to prove that yes, he can afford pants.

Posted by: WisRich at August 20, 2018 04:27 PM (G0vdT)

209 Posted by: ace at August 20, 2018 04:19 PM (PA9oZ)

In The Current Year, it's shocking how much weight is pulled and influence wives and girlfriends have over the politics and lives of their male signifcant others.

It used to be that women were attracted to men who led and were leaders.

Posted by: your neighbor with a telescope at August 20, 2018 04:28 PM (Y2VBD)

210 I clicked on a Goldberg article at TownHall the other day.
At the time there were around 200 comments and not a single one had a kind word about him or his piece.

Posted by: Derptastic at August 20, 2018 04:28 PM (DB16e)

211 I cannot afford pants

Posted by: Anthony Weiner - butt naked at August 20, 2018 04:28 PM (G4cUD)

212 There was some dopey pinhead peanut farmer, then Reagan, and then:

A warmonger
A rapist
A drunk-driving-murderer warmonger
A communist, foreign-born traitor

So yeah. Keep talking about Trump's "character" because he said "pussy" that one time, and has roughly 1/3 as many ex wives as Larry King.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 20, 2018 04:28 PM (BRvh1)

213 189
It was almost a mercy my mom died before Richard Chamberlain came out of
the closet.She loved that guy and especially The Thorn Birds.

Posted by: steevy at August 20, 2018 04:24 PM (LiyEm)
To think that fine Japanese woman was completely wasted on Richard Chamberlain in Shogun.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at August 20, 2018 04:28 PM (37IEG)

214 Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2018 04:23 PM (/tuJf)

I think their egos have grown to the point where they think the President should be their avatar and do what they say, how they say, and personally represent them.

Toxic pride.

Posted by: Cato by Phone at August 20, 2018 04:28 PM (J+mig)

215 That's the thing, I don't know that Trump could have won against someone of better character. Had the Dems been running a socialist who was polite, articulate and not a criminal (a unicorn in and of itself, I know, but for the sake of argument...) that person might well have won. The contrast would likely have turned a lot of voters off of Trump's boorish manner.

But they ran Hillary Clinton. Who is of far, far worse character than Donald Trump. Her attacks on women whom her husband assaulted, her decades of looking down on regular Americans (compounded by her actual words during the campaign), her shameless exploitation of identity politics that I'm not sure even Leftists believed she herself believed in, not to mention her actual criminal behavior were and are recognized by "deplorable" Americans as being far worse than any personal failing or obnoxious language of Donald Trump's.

He really was the perfect candidate to go up against her.

My reasons for not voting for him the first time around were, I admit his character, but the more important factor was that I didn't believe he would govern conservatively. I believed, as an NYC Democrat, he was saying what he thought conservatives wanted to hear, and that when in office he would govern like a Democrat.

I was wrong. And although I still have a lot of issues with his behavior, I will be voting for him in 2020.

Posted by: JJTownsend1977 at August 20, 2018 04:29 PM (PsdJu)

216 ace, you know that some of our distinguished commenters such as Alberta Oil Peon and Northernlurker and even WeirdDave's wife are, um, icebacks, right?

And they deserve our sympathy as they currently suffer under the disasters and indignities of Snowbama, who really is in the Obama class as a ridiculous figure who it is difficult to believe could ever hold any position of responsibility in any national govt. of a country more consequential than Burkina Faso.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 20, 2018 04:29 PM (QDnY+)

217 And during that very same time Trump trashed Jonah's mother very publicly. I've maintained all along that this is a big part of his Trump hate.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2018 04:26 PM (/tuJf)

Bingo, Yahtzee, UNO , Gin!!!

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at August 20, 2018 04:29 PM (m/vQu)

218 >>>
In The Current Year, it's shocking how much weight is pulled and influence wives and girlfriends have over the politics and lives of their male signifcant others.

It used to be that women were attracted to men who led and were leaders.

...

I don't know if that's a bad thing, in moderation. Plus, I do know of some guys who were dragged the other way by women who know, better than they, What The Fuck Time It Is.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2018 04:29 PM (PA9oZ)

219 199 Fucking Burger King owns Tim Horton now. Burger King!
That must roast their cheese curd humping oosiks.

ah. the long march to slowly turn poutine gravy into ketchup has begun.

Posted by: Anachronda at August 20, 2018 04:30 PM (NmR1a)

220 It took 9/11 to reveal the pro-American liberals (a.k.a. Ron Silver, Dennis Miller, etc.), and anti-American liberals. It took Trump to reveal the same about conservatives.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at August 20, 2018 04:30 PM (R85nB)

221 My memory is that de Gaulle had a bad reputation for not handling his subordinates and peers well and being dependent on the favor of Petain.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 20, 2018 04:31 PM (eSx+E)

222 ah. the long march to slowly turn poutine gravy into ketchup has begun.
Posted by: Anachronda at August 20, 2018 04:30 PM (NmR1a)
---
Ah. Collusion with Poutine.

Posted by: Robert Mullet at August 20, 2018 04:31 PM (vDqXW)

223 ... the other thing is, i had very low expectations when he trump got into office. he's wildly surpassed them. but i'm not going to apologize or feel the need to explain my view since there was nothing in his past to lead me to expect actual conservative policies.

Posted by: mjc at August 20, 2018 04:31 PM (Pg+x7)

224 219 199 Fucking Burger King owns Tim Horton now. Burger King!
That must roast their cheese curd humping oosiks.

ah. the long march to slowly turn poutine gravy into ketchup has begun.
Posted by: Anachronda at August 20, 2018 04:30 PM (NmR1a)

Yes, but the ketchup will be halal.

Posted by: Roy at August 20, 2018 04:31 PM (A5R3R)

225 Evangelical-world kind of walks a tight-rope with Trump as well. Let's face it - the man is not going to be on the cover of Christianity Today. (or knowing them - he might)

Anyway - whatever evangelicals think of his character, they realize his position on religious liberty and de-funding Planned Murderhood. They realize the value of a conservative SCOTUS. So he eats with his feet - who cares?

We aren't as dumb as you might think.

Posted by: grammie winger at August 20, 2018 04:31 PM (lwiT4)

226 He's a guy whose whole world is cracking, and his livelihood is slipping away.

Part of what is disappointing is that it shouldn't be. So he was wrong about Trump? So what? Lots of us were wrong about Trump. Goldberg didn't write a book about Trump. He did write a book--a series of books--on how the left acts, and he is being vindicated daily. It's the kind of thing an author who believes what they wrote should be able to take advantage of.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 20, 2018 04:31 PM (2lndx)

227 >>>ace, you know that some of our distinguished commenters such as Alberta Oil Peon and Northernlurker and even WeirdDave's wife are, um, icebacks, right?

And they deserve our sympathy as they currently suffer under the disasters and indignities of Snowbama, who really is in the Obama class as a ridiculous figure who it is difficult to believe could ever hold any position of responsibility in any national govt. of a country more consequential than Burkina Faso.

...

I'm very aware of the anguish of having the physical and mental developmental disorder known as Being Canadian syndrome.

I am so sympathetic to the plight of these Gay-For-Poutine (G4P) mittenfolk.

I let them blog on the site as part of my work for the Make a Wish Foundation. I let filthy goose-shit covered Canadians pretend to be Real American Humans here.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2018 04:31 PM (PA9oZ)

228 LOL

Posted by: steevy at August 20, 2018 04:32 PM (LiyEm)

229 Paul Singer is bankrolling NeverTrump Inc.

Posted by: Captain Hate at August 20, 2018 04:32 PM (y7DUB)

230 I'm thinking Jonah is a teenage girl.

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 20, 2018 04:32 PM (2LelM)

231 What did Trump have to say about Goldberg's mom? I missed it. IIRC, she is/was not Jewish.

Posted by: Willowed JAS at August 20, 2018 04:32 PM (3HNOQ)

232 Oleg just keeps popping up over and over. I wonder if we will ever get to hear the tapes.

https://tinyurl.com/y7vbvwp2

Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2018 04:33 PM (/tuJf)

233 I was wrong. And although I still have a lot of issues with his behavior, I will be voting for him in 2020.
Posted by: JJTownsend1977 at August 20, 2018 04:29 PM (PsdJu)

I think he would not be as conservative if the Left had stroked his ego instead of going nuclear on him from day one. I'm actually glad they back him into corners.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at August 20, 2018 04:33 PM (m/vQu)

234 Weasel.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 20, 2018 04:08 PM (VpIIl)
-------
You called?

Posted by: Weasel at August 20, 2018 04:33 PM (MVjcR)

235 >>>I think their egos have grown to the point where they think the President should be their avatar and do what they say, how they say, and personally represent them.

Toxic pride.

...

Yup. As "Jim Phelps" said in Mission: Impossible, "These guys wake up one day and see the president running the country without their permission; that son of a bitch, how dare he?"

This is a Bonfire of the Vanities situation.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2018 04:33 PM (PA9oZ)

236 I notice Goldberg's nasty attack was after Horowitz answered the challenge to name anything about Trump that indicated good character.
Horowitz did name a few things....and Jonah got mad.

Okay. Here's a couple of challenges, Jonah.
1- Name anything about Hillary that indicates good character.
2- Name anything about yourself that indicates good character.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 20, 2018 04:33 PM (0jtPF)

237

I guess people like Jonah invested so much in defeating Trump (what was promised them I wonder?), that they cannot handle just how dumb they looked in the end.

Or it could be because Goldberg just got so damn fat. But I suspect the "fat" came after he looked at himself in the mirror AFTER Trump won and HE was defeated.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 20, 2018 04:33 PM (uPlWr)

238 137 You should be David Cassidy vs. Bobby Sherman, or mabye vs. Barry Gibb.

--------
Years ago I'd watch those VH-1 Behind the Music things all the time. They did a teen heartthrob one and Bobby Sherman was just a normal dude, think he was an EMT and doing volunteer work. Everyone else was a mess (and all working on a comeback album) but he was just all "Yeah it was fun - I saved my money, moved on" - normal guy.

Posted by: jhawk90 at August 20, 2018 04:33 PM (Xvo1a)

239 a school girl in floriduh was 15 cents short to pay for her lunch friday. her lunch was thrown in the garbage and she was told to sit and watch the other children eat their lunches! libertarian ayn randist capitalism in action. now she jas learned a valuable lesson about the free enterprise system!

Posted by: wammo at August 20, 2018 04:33 PM (LQ4+3)

240 Who gives a rats ass if a politician is sufficiently "conservative" if they're not at core pro-American?

For example, I don't give a flying f*ck off the top turnbuckle what your opinions on Burke and Locke are if you can look me in the eyes and tell me that the Ex-Im Bank is a "Good Thing, mai fwendsh".

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 20, 2018 04:33 PM (BRvh1)

241 ace ..... LOL, truly

Posted by: rhomboid at August 20, 2018 04:34 PM (QDnY+)

242 221
My memory is that de Gaulle had a bad reputation for not handling his
subordinates and peers well and being dependent on the favor of Petain.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 20, 2018 04:31 PM (eSx+E)
And was as insufferably arrogant as a colonel without a country as he was as the President of the place later.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at August 20, 2018 04:34 PM (37IEG)

243 "It took 9/11 to reveal the pro-American liberals (a.k.a. Ron Silver, Dennis Miller, etc.), and anti-American liberals. It took Trump to reveal the same about conservatives.
Posted by: Citizen Cake"

Ron Silver was already on his way since he campaigned for Giuliani over Dinkins. 9/11 just sealed it.

Posted by: Benji Carver at August 20, 2018 04:34 PM (OD2ni)

244 Goldberg went to the marriage card.

Is the Clinton's 1 marriage better than Trump's 3? on what metric?

Posted by: x at August 20, 2018 04:34 PM (nFwvY)

245 Yeah, maybe little Ruthie can splain to us about the dead South African farmers and their former properties.

Yes, good point: I wonder what she thinks of the SA Constitution now.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, sitting quietly in the corner

Well Obama was just down there singing it's praise.

Posted by: wrg500 Manatee bounty hunter at August 20, 2018 04:34 PM (Bdeb0)

246 It's also become clear that Trump's behavior serves as a great distraction for the DC/MSM machine.
They have chewed up and spit out so many other Republicans who were polite and chose to not 'go there' in the same manner the Left does.

Every time he tweets, or he makes an off the cuff remark that riles them up, he is providing cover for the people in his admin who are getting stuff done.
He has perfected disrupting their OODA loop.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 20, 2018 04:34 PM (W+vEI)

247 That Jonah dude has a pretty weird couch fetish.

Posted by: Couchfucker at August 20, 2018 04:35 PM (DS2df)

248 Had a pinched nerve radiating back muscle spasms below the shoulder blade to right side last month. Doctor gave me cyclobenzaprine to stop the spasms, it worked well but I had to take it for about 8 days.
Six weeks later I'm back to ROM exercise and only mild pain.
Posted by: wth at August 20, 2018 04:24 PM (HgMAr)

Damn. Pinched nerves and nerve pain is a nightmare.

Mine feels like a muscle strain that that isn't healing. If a never was pinched, I'd assume I'd feel buring and numbness. This is more annoying because it's on an off stiffness and too sore to breath, turn, and move. It's aggravating as hell.

Posted by: your neighbor with a telescope at August 20, 2018 04:35 PM (Y2VBD)

249 239 a school girl in floriduh was 15 cents short to pay for her lunch friday. her lunch was thrown in the garbage and she was told to sit and watch the other children eat their lunches! libertarian ayn randist capitalism in action. now she jas learned a valuable lesson about the free enterprise system!
Posted by: wammo at August 20, 2018 04:33 PM (LQ4+3)

Well, f*ck me running, some rando one-namer has an unsourced anecdote involving children!

Pack it in, boys. Looks like i'm a communist now.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 20, 2018 04:35 PM (BRvh1)

250 >>>229 Paul Singer is bankrolling NeverTrump Inc.

Did you guys see the piece on him in the New Yorker? I think it's called the Doomsday Investor.

I'll link it in the sidebar. It's very long and I'm only 1/3rd through.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2018 04:35 PM (PA9oZ)

251 Is the Clinton's 1 marriage better than Trump's 3? on what metric?
Posted by: x

Both Clintons like women?

Posted by: wrg500 Manatee bounty hunter at August 20, 2018 04:35 PM (Bdeb0)

252 Back when Trump was anti GW Bush and Iraq war he said something pretty nasty about Goldberg's mom .So what,adults get over it,you don't need to personslly like the president.

Posted by: steevy at August 20, 2018 04:35 PM (LiyEm)

253 I find their position to be childish. I don't need a Daddy. I've got one. I don't need a priest. There are several of those in my area.

There is an idea derided as the Cult of the Presidency, where the president is basically the Father of the Nation and quasi-secular High Pontiff.

That idea is inconsistent with the idea of a state of free men voting for *political*, not spiritual, representatives.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2018 04:26 PM (PA9oZ)

Pretty sure this comes from people who worship government.

And we know Jonah does because he wrote that thing about where the whole world unites as one under a single government.

Excuse me but where the ckuf is that shit coming from? How is that remotely conservative?

Only someone who thinks government is be all end all of existence would support such a ludicrous proposition, but there he is supporting it.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 20, 2018 04:36 PM (4ErVI)

254 mittenfolk

I snorted out loud.

Posted by: three apples tall at August 20, 2018 04:36 PM (yQpMk)

255

I watched Schlicter's segment over the weekend on the Media Buzz show and this was the topic.

I got the feeling Howard Kurtz was a never trumper too.

I wish he had done two segments. Or, at least, all I saw was one.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 20, 2018 04:36 PM (uPlWr)

256 off poppa smurf sock

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 20, 2018 04:36 PM (yQpMk)

257 225 Evangelical-world kind of walks a tight-rope with Trump as well. Let's face it - the man is not going to be on the cover of Christianity Today. (or knowing them - he might)

Anyway - whatever evangelicals think of his character, they realize his position on religious liberty and de-funding Planned Murderhood. They realize the value of a conservative SCOTUS. So he eats with his feet - who cares?

We aren't as dumb as you might think.
Posted by: grammie winger at August 20, 2018 04:31 PM (lwiT4)

Most of what the elite "knows" about evangelicals they got from watching Law and Order SVU and the Lifetime Channel.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 20, 2018 04:36 PM (NWiLs)

258 Posted by: wammo at August 20, 2018 04:33 PM (LQ4+3)

Did ICE come to arrest her also?

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at August 20, 2018 04:36 PM (m/vQu)

259 Apart from not firing certain officials, like the Snoozing Attorney General, Trump has far surpassed my expectations. DESPITE the continued enemy activity to overthrow him.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at August 20, 2018 04:36 PM (37IEG)

260 And through 1000x more flubs by Trump, "But Gorsuch"
will ring true. Because the Constitution is all I gambled on him for.
It was enough before--it has to be enough now.

Posted by: Axeman at August 20, 2018 04:22 PM (vDqXW)

Agreed. That's what Trump ran on - his SCOTUS list as the final "if you're leaning one way or the other, here's how to come to my side."

The NeverTrumpers can't have Trump succeed. It's been said before. To do so only points and expands their previous failures when they had much more wind at their back.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at August 20, 2018 04:36 PM (q1VoB)

261 now she jas learned a valuable lesson about the free enterprise system!

***

Hmm..that reminds of this time that the government of Britain said that a baby had to die because they didn't want to spend the money on his treatment. Remember that? And they wouldn't even let people who wanted to pay for it themselves in other countries to do so. Because of...compassion?

Posted by: 18-1 at August 20, 2018 04:37 PM (eSx+E)

262 I suppose "elite" should be in scare quotes too.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 20, 2018 04:37 PM (NWiLs)

263 Goldberg is just cheesed about that Trump comment on his crummy pants.

Posted by: x at August 20, 2018 04:37 PM (nFwvY)

264 I think as with many many war-time allies and semi-allies, DeGaulle was seen as a necessary valuable asset for the needs of the time. Churchill and Eisenhower, despite everything, cold-bloodedly viewed him as such. And they were probably right.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 20, 2018 04:38 PM (QDnY+)

265 No, NT's didn't get enraged about Obama because he was the "historic first" and except for antagonistic comments like, "They bring a knife we bring a gun" or "people clinging to guns and Bible" or holding his middle finger up to his face while making it appear as if he were scratching his nose. he saved his nastiest comments for behind closes doors. He wasn't tweeting his disdain for the ruling class because he was one of the uniparty ruling class. Obama is perceived as a gentleman.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 20, 2018 04:38 PM (AllCR)

266 >>What did Trump have to say about Goldberg's mom? I missed it. IIRC, she is/was not Jewish.

Well first you have to remember this was during the Clinton/Linda Tripp/Monica kerfuffle. Jonah's mother was a supporter and confidant of Linda Tripp.

Trump, on the other hand, was on Team Bubba. He gave an interview where he called the Tripp, Lewinski, Goldberg team all kinds of unflattering things including ugly.

As we now know Trump insult pretty much everyone at one time or another and his allegiances have been flexible. You either get over it or you don't. Jonah appears to be firmly and permanently in the "don't" camp.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2018 04:38 PM (/tuJf)

267 Weekly Standard or National Review

Which first?

Carlos Slim still has plenty of money.

Just sayin'

Posted by: SorryPrecious at August 20, 2018 04:38 PM (EfadY)

268 >>254
mittenfolk

I snorted out loud.

I'm dying here.

Posted by: Under Fire at August 20, 2018 04:38 PM (r9UYA)

269 Oh Ace, that was the most hilarious takedown of Canadians ever. Never change

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at August 20, 2018 04:38 PM (6Ll1u)

270 Did ICE come to arrest her also?

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp

pfffft. She wishes. Einsatzgruppen.

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2018 04:38 PM (T6t7i)

271 Canadians all claim they were "born that way." But they had a choice. They live in revolt against God and they think God won't notice.

The Bible doesn't say anything about syrup

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2018 04:38 PM (PA9oZ)

272 Who are these stupid kids? What world do they inhabit?

Posted by: Burger Chef at August 20, 2018 04:38 PM (RuIsu)

273 The NeverTrumpers can't have Trump succeed. It's been said before. To do so only points and expands their previous failures when they had much more wind at their back.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at August 20, 2018 04:36 PM (q1VoB)

Yep. Their arrogance and outsized egos are unable to handle the possibility that they might have been wrong.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 20, 2018 04:38 PM (NWiLs)

274 Well Obama was just down there singing it's praise.

Posted by: wrg500 Manatee bounty hunter at August 20, 2018 04:34 PM (Bdeb0)
Wait.
That's like saying "Look! The sun! Beyond all expectation, it's rising in the east!"

Posted by: DamnedYankee at August 20, 2018 04:38 PM (37IEG)

275 "Mine feels like a muscle strain that that isn't healing. If a never was pinched, I'd assume I'd feel buring and numbness. This is more annoying because it's on an off stiffness and too sore to breath, turn, and move. It's aggravating as hell."

I had something similar and Dr diagnosed as tear in subscapular muscle. He said it was a common ailmnet from repetitive yard work. It went away after about three weeks with taking it easy. I got scrip for pain pills if needed but I never filled it. It was really annoying.

Posted by: Benji Carver at August 20, 2018 04:39 PM (OD2ni)

276

FOIA's might tell us why Goldberg is such a coward. Or the Weekly Standard in general.

We aint' seen nothin' yet, and if the Dems take over the House, we'll never know the extent of the media/obama/clinton destruction.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 20, 2018 04:39 PM (uPlWr)

277 your neighbor with a telescope:

If you're like me, you probably pull it when you yawn. Maybe try a new pillow

Posted by: Captain Carl at August 20, 2018 04:39 PM (/+2fq)

278 now she jas learned a valuable lesson about the free enterprise system!

Err ... government schools are hardly a part of the free enterprise system.

That's the baseball ground you are thinking of.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 20, 2018 04:39 PM (yQpMk)

279 ace-

Check out the link at #232.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2018 04:39 PM (/tuJf)

280 Has Goldberg or any of the other NeverTrumpers ever given explicit examples of Trump's "bad character?" Or given examples of why Hillary's "character" was so preferable?

Posted by: JoeF. at August 20, 2018 04:40 PM (y8Foj)

281 Wham is butcher than wammo.

Posted by: bear with assymetrical balls at August 20, 2018 04:40 PM (mmU7u)

282 261
now she jas learned a valuable lesson about the free enterprise system!

***

Hmm..that
reminds of this time that the government of Britain said that a baby
had to die because they didn't want to spend the money on his treatment.
Remember that? And they wouldn't even let people who wanted to pay for
it themselves in other countries to do so. Because of...compassion?

Posted by: 18-1 at August 20, 2018 04:37 PM (eSx+E)
Shit no. That was because they couldn't afford to be proven wrong about the kid dying RTF now.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at August 20, 2018 04:40 PM (37IEG)

283 That or they were never really conservative to begin with except as a debating position from which to receive a check because there was less competition in the Media Industrial Complex.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel

I'm going out on a limb and suggesting this is the likelier scenario.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Rogue 2 / Shitposter 7 at August 20, 2018 04:41 PM (AM1GF)

284 As Levin has noted, the Conservative movement is dead, we can quibble on when it died, I say the gunshot was administered around 1998-99, the subject died a little after 9/11 but make no mistake, the Conservative is deader than Dillanger.

The Tea Party was a dead cay bounce.

Trump is for lack of a better construction, the way, the truth and the light towards a muscular American Nationalism that can maybe, maybe save this last best hope of mankind.

If Trump fails....

Oblivion.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 20, 2018 04:41 PM (kT3/m)

285 I had something similar and Dr diagnosed as tear in subscapular muscle. He said it was a common ailmnet from repetitive yard work. It went away after about three weeks with taking it easy. I got scrip for pain pills if needed but I never filled it. It was really annoying.
Posted by: Benji Carver

Is THAT what that is? I get that quite frequently. I always thought it was just sore muscles.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 20, 2018 04:41 PM (DKgtk)

286 her lunch was thrown in the garbage and she was told to sit and watch the other children eat their lunches

In fairness, she could afford to lose a few pounds digging the canals.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 20, 2018 04:42 PM (yQpMk)

287 after he expressed that pique for five minutes, he regained his admiration for the liberal media, didn't he?

Yeah but,,,
The MSM was the 400# Gorilla. All were afraid to even ruffle their nutsack. Then PDT started punching them in the baby dick and here we are.

Posted by: DaveA at August 20, 2018 04:42 PM (FhXTo)

288 Jack, I did see that. I don't know enough background to really have any kind of take.

Can you help?

I mean, I know who Oleg Deripaska is and what he's suspected of. I don't understand who this prostitute is or why she's claiming this or that or even what she's claiming.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2018 04:42 PM (PA9oZ)

289 "He thinks he's Joan of Arc, but I can't get my bloody bishops to burn him," was one of Churchill's acerbic observations about [DeGualle].

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 20, 2018 04:42 PM (+y/Ru)

290 Trump is for lack of a better construction, the way, the truth and the light

That might be a weeeee bit over the top.

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2018 04:42 PM (T6t7i)

291 I'm going to admit that I'm shocked that Goldberg said that about Horowitz. I mean, that was beyond uncalled for and reveals Goldberg's character, not that I had many questions left.

Trump is the great unmasker. That may be his most important accomplishment to date.

And as far as Trump's character, you want to tell me what good W did for conservatism? Because from where I sit, all he did was sell it down the river.

And let us not forget that Reagan was divorced.

And, hmm, gee, I sure don't recall that man of impeccable integrity, Mitt Romney, being willing to sully his hands in attacking anyone but conservatives.

And I'm going to stop now because my eye is twitching.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at August 20, 2018 04:42 PM (mf5HN)

292 "263 Goldberg is just cheesed about that Trump comment on his crummy pants.
Posted by: x"

I also think part of it is that Jonah grew up in Manhattan and has that typical snobbishness towards people from the outer burroughs, especialoly rich loud mouths from the outer burroughs.

Posted by: Benji Carver at August 20, 2018 04:42 PM (OD2ni)

293 I hope IF they bring PDT down, he pulls a Samson, and takes the whole fuckin rotten place down with him

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 20, 2018 04:43 PM (Lg2h/)

294 Yep. Their arrogance and outsized egos are unable to handle the possibility that they might have been wrong.
Posted by: Insomniac

their most Trumplike trait. in the movie playing in their heads VillainTrump says "we're the same, you and I'

Posted by: x at August 20, 2018 04:43 PM (nFwvY)

295 Trump is a force of nature. Goldberg is a manufactured piece of delicate furniture that matches the rug. If there was a color for obsequious then that would be Jonah.

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 20, 2018 04:43 PM (2LelM)

296

280
Jonah said Trump is not loyal because-
Three wives = not loyal.

Posted by: Glenn John at August 20, 2018 04:44 PM (LilNs)

297 Oleg just keeps popping up over and over. I wonder if we will ever get to hear the tapes.

https://tinyurl.com/y7vbvwp2
Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2018 04:33 PM (/tuJf)
---
Remember when any contact with any Russian of consequence was "the same thing as Putin"?

So why doesn't it bother liberals that Steele was working for the benefit of an Oligarch? And working for the same PR company that was campaigning *against* the Magnitsky Act, which Putin was *strongly* against?

And the answer is: because liberals can't remember--or could care less--what they said in another instance.

Posted by: Axeman at August 20, 2018 04:44 PM (vDqXW)

298 I also think part of it is that Jonah grew up in
Manhattan and has that typical snobbishness towards people from the
outer burroughs, especialoly rich loud mouths from the outer burroughs.

Posted by: Benji Carver at August 20, 2018 04:42 PM (OD2ni)

I'd love to know his thoughts on OshKosh.

Posted by: grammie winger at August 20, 2018 04:44 PM (lwiT4)

299 O/T.

I had asked about Turtle's cancelling of August recess to get judges confirmed but that they haven't worked in two weeks.

Now I know the answer: Jeff F'ing Flake.

The guy took off to Africa and plans to be there the whole month of August. Because he's on the judiciary committee, they don't have the votes to get judges out of committee.

WTF Mitch?

Pull the guy off the committee already. Like today! He's not even running for reelection.

Posted by: WisRich at August 20, 2018 04:44 PM (G0vdT)

300 @291
Don't get me started on Herbert Hoover. The man was a party reptile.

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2018 04:44 PM (T6t7i)

301 I'll Bite. Jonah's question is worthy of a good answer. Let's start with the seven lively virtues (which oppose the seven deadly sins:

-- Trump is industrious
-- Trump practices Temperance in food and drink. He has no history of drug, tobacco, or alcohol use
-- Trump has show generosity and Charity
-- Trump is capable of great Kindness
-- Trump is Patient.

I would also argue that Trump is not particularly Lustful at present. There are no stories of women being with Trump now.

Trump also practices a certain form of Humility (yes, really) in that he seems to understand that he owes those who elected him to office his best efforts at keeping his promises. He hasn't "evolved" his thinking, at least not yet. There is also a certain amount of humility necessary for making deals -- you need to know what you are capable of, and what is possible in a given situation.

Posted by: Sweet Lou at August 20, 2018 04:44 PM (4DuI9)

302 And during that very same time Trump trashed Jonah's mother very publicly. I've maintained all along that this is a big part of his Trump hate.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2018 04:26 PM (/tuJf)

An interesting theory, but two problems:

1) The Clintons practically declared Lucianne Goldberg an enemy of the state, and Jonah still breaks bread with them.
2) Even if he seeks to avenge his mother, the strength of his vitriol is no more or less than that of other True American Conservatives like Bret Stephens, David Frum, Bill Kristol, Jen Rubin, Ben Shapiro, Mona Charen...

It's a long list.

Posted by: trev006 at August 20, 2018 04:44 PM (3Tn95)

303
Posted by: wammo at August 20, 2018 04:33 PM (LQ4+3)

Have you met Mary Clogginstein? You wouldn't happen to live in Brattleboro, would you?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 20, 2018 04:44 PM (veoSD)

304 Paul Singer is bankrolling NeverTrump Inc.

Did you guys see the piece on him in the New Yorker? I think it's called the Doomsday Investor.

I'll link it in the sidebar. It's very long and I'm only 1/3rd through.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2018 04:35 PM (PA9oZ)

Someone in the know clued me in to how he bankrolled the Weakly Substandard and was an early NeverTrump mogul. Everything subsequent has just rolled downhill from there.

Posted by: Captain Hate at August 20, 2018 04:45 PM (y7DUB)

305 293 I hope IF they bring PDT down, he pulls a Samson, and takes the whole fuckin rotten place down with him
-------------------
He already did that in the primaries and election. He is now Hercules working through his twelve labors. I expect him to descend into hell and bring back General Flynn and award him and Admiral Rogers a Medal of Freedom.

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 20, 2018 04:45 PM (2LelM)

306 >>> Has Goldberg or any of the other NeverTrumpers ever given explicit examples of Trump's "bad character?" Or given examples of why Hillary's "character" was so preferable?

They mostly avoid all such comparatives. If you attempt to corner them, they'll say "It's not binary" (so there's no need for a binary comparison) or they'll say "Well she's not the president, that's why I don't spend time talking about her."

David French pulled that bullshit when someone asked him why he didn't talk about Hillary's actual collusion with Russian officials for campaign dirt. He said something like "Well if there's something there, then we'll see it, and we can impeach her back to her home where she already is."

A snarky dismissal, claiming that somehow Hillary's real collusion is NOT criminal (he can only think in terms of a political remedy like impeachment for HER), while claiming Trump's """collusion""" is itself criminal.

Based on David French's nonsensical contradictions and see-through post-hoc justifications, I have to imagine he's a shit lawyer.

But who knows, maybe he's just a shit writer and thinker.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2018 04:45 PM (PA9oZ)

307 As we now know Trump insult pretty much everyone at one time or another and his allegiances have been flexible. You either get over it or you don't. Jonah appears to be firmly and permanently in the "don't" camp.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2018 04:38 PM (/tuJf)

Okay, personal loyalty to one's own mother is admirable. In fact, it's necessary in life.
And it might explain Goldberg's hatred of Trump on a PERSONAL level. But not Goldberg's disdain for associates who don't share his hatred of Trump.
It also doesn't explain why Hillary would have been preferable.

Posted by: JoeF. at August 20, 2018 04:46 PM (y8Foj)

308 Trump said "pussy."

Posted by: Fritz at August 20, 2018 04:46 PM (CdLX2)

309 now she jas learned a valuable lesson about the free enterprise system!

-
There's no such thing as a free lunch?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 20, 2018 04:46 PM (+y/Ru)

310 As we now know Trump insult pretty much everyone at one time or another
and his allegiances have been flexible. You either get over it or you
don't. Jonah appears to be firmly and permanently in the "don't" camp.

***

Hmm...two people:

1) Your mother is ugly. Like really ugly. Bigly.

2) Hey I'd like to take your mother to Fort Marcy park! And I've got her note already all written for her...wonder if I can convince her to sign it too so it looks all official - really annoying that Foster didn't sign his.

Oh yeah I hate person #1 that's unforgivable!

Posted by: 18-1 at August 20, 2018 04:46 PM (eSx+E)

311 Posted by: Sweet Lou at August 20, 2018 04:44 PM (4DuI9)

I like it.

Posted by: grammie winger at August 20, 2018 04:46 PM (lwiT4)

312 Ahoy, Jonah!

Posted by: Bob on the Lido Deck at August 20, 2018 04:47 PM (D4BQa)

313 Three wives = not loyal.
Posted by: Glenn John

one shrew-wife you cheat on every chance you get but stay married to for political reasons equals what?

Posted by: x at August 20, 2018 04:47 PM (nFwvY)

314 This is hilarious.

Rudy openly taunting nutcase Brennan to sue, saying PDT has given Rudy and Sekulow the go-ahead to handle the case.

"After threatening if you don't it would be just like Obama's red lines. Come on John you're not a blowhard?"

Say what you will, Trump has brought direct communication - that most American of political/cultural things - back into use and into fashion.

Outstanding.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 20, 2018 04:47 PM (QDnY+)

315 An issue with the NTs is before - when they were conservative - they could be representing the Kochs and CoC type people. And were glad to be associated with "upper crust" Republicans.

To defend Trump now is to defend his base. . . the deplorable folks with 10 teeth combined in the first 10 rows of NASCAR event. I believe it is Trump and his combative style - his throw a hundred punches and hope one lands - grinds them. But it is also to defend Trump is to defend his supporters. The ones every lib has called a racist, homophobe, etc. To defend is to become part of the group. That's an issue.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at August 20, 2018 04:47 PM (q1VoB)

316
Say what you will about Herbert H. Hoover, but the man made a one hell of a fine vacuum cleaner, which is more that anything either one of them Roosevelt brothers ever did for this country!

Posted by: Archie Bunker at August 20, 2018 04:47 PM (8O3HH)

317 >>>Someone in the know clued me in to how he bankrolled the Weakly Substandard and was an early NeverTrump mogul. Everything subsequent has just rolled downhill from there.

well phil anschutz owns the Weekly Substandard. I don't know how Singer fits in there. I think he funds, or did fund, the Washington Free Beacon, and many suspect him of having backrolled the WFB's hiring of Fusion to dig dirt on Trump and Cruz, though no one's proven that or admitted that.

I do get the sense he funds a lot of NeverTrump, Inc. But there's no actual confirmation of that. Just a lot of suspicion.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2018 04:48 PM (PA9oZ)

318 I'd love to know his thoughts on OshKosh.
Posted by: grammie winger at August 20, 2018 04:44 PM (lwiT4)

B'Gosh!

Posted by: Insomniac at August 20, 2018 04:48 PM (NWiLs)

319 He already did that in the primaries and election. He is now Hercules
working through his twelve labors. I expect him to descend into hell and
bring back General Flynn and award him and Admiral Rogers a Medal of
Freedom.
Bonus points for the extended mythological metaphor.

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2018 04:48 PM (T6t7i)

320 "I'd love to know his thoughts on OshKosh.
Posted by: grammie winger"

He probably has no problem with OshKosh. It is probably less today, but a lot of Manhattanites don't like nbeing lumped in with the rest of NYC.

I recall living in The Bronx and people in Manhattan being happy when our area code switched to 718 so we were no longer sharing their precious 212 area code.

Posted by: Benji Carver at August 20, 2018 04:48 PM (OD2ni)

321
They fly into a rage because you threaten their employment. Their extravagant moral outrage at, for example, merely removing the security clearance of a retired unstable political hack, is "stealing the bread out of my family's mouths," redirected and repackaged.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at August 20, 2018 04:48 PM (Pk9R2)

322 Goldberg is a manufactured piece of delicate furniture that matches the rug.

It really brings the room together though.

Posted by: Jewells45 at August 20, 2018 04:49 PM (dUJdY)

323 Noman has blinded me!

Posted by: Jonah G. at August 20, 2018 04:49 PM (yQpMk)

324 >>>-- Trump practices Temperance in food and drink. He has no history of drug, tobacco, or alcohol use

a lot of people claim he's on prescription ritalin or some other form of amphetamine but there's no proof of that.

besides, that's barely a drug.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2018 04:49 PM (PA9oZ)

325 If you're running off the Canadians I'm assuming the Irish have already been sent packing. The site smells like booze when they're around.

Posted by: Steve Earle Song Ideas at August 20, 2018 04:49 PM (PvCxa)

326 >>Jack, I did see that. I don't know enough background to really have any kind of take.

Can you help?

We know that Adam Waldman, the lawyer/lobbyist who Mark Warner was communicating with in a secret back channel was representing Christopher Steele. It seems very apparent that the other Waldman client who was referenced during that communications was Oleg Deripaska.

Further, it is looking more and more that Deripaska wasn't just another client but he was in fact Steele's employer and a likely source of Russian dirt.

The FBI approached Deripaska and asked him to help build a case against Trump. He laughed at them and told them they were trying to create something that didn't exist.

Still, they had something he desperately wanted, sanctions relief that was killing him personally. I believe he is the "friend" Steele referenced in his communications with Ohr when he said it would be terrible if our "friend" was forced to go back home.

Those tapes might well prove Russian collusion, just not with Trump.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2018 04:50 PM (/tuJf)

327 322 Goldberg is a manufactured piece of delicate furniture that matches the rug.

It really brings the room together though.
Posted by: Jewells45 at August 20, 2018 04:49 PM (dUJdY)

This will not stand, man!

Posted by: Insomniac at August 20, 2018 04:50 PM (NWiLs)

328 245 white south africa sowed the wind now reaps the whirlwind. do not fear in the presence of free men tremble in the presence of slaves when they break their chains! thomas jefferson. it could be a lot worse! remember are little problem about that at cemetery ridge gettysburg pa. july 3 1863?

Posted by: wammo at August 20, 2018 04:50 PM (LQ4+3)

329 "Say what you will about Herbert H. Hoover, but the man made a one hell of a fine vacuum cleaner, which is more that anything either one of them Roosevelt brothers ever did for this country!
Posted by: Archie Bunker"

Yeah, but he sucked at defending the Deltas at the Student Disciplinary Committee.

Posted by: Benji Carver at August 20, 2018 04:50 PM (OD2ni)

330 Oleg just keeps popping up over and over. I wonder if we will ever get to hear the tapes.

https://tinyurl.com/y7vbvwp2
Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2018 04:33 PM (/tuJf)

ha, someone got to her

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 20, 2018 04:50 PM (uPlWr)

331 I think he would not be as conservative if the Left had stroked his ego instead of going nuclear on him from day one. I'm actually glad they back him into corners.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at August 20, 2018 04:33 PM (m/vQu)

Spite, man. Spite is immensely underrated as a political force.

I'm fully in the camp that if the Left had stopped their toddler fit a week or so after inauguration, Trump would be a middling President in the Carter mode.

Nope.

Did none of them read the part of Trump's book where he discussed revenge and said you don't start anything but when someone starts with you, you take them down twice as hard, pour encourager les autres?

Because, dude, Trump point blank said hey don't want none, don't start none.

Also I am to the point of thinking very very very unkind things indeed about David French. I will say this. I've known a very large number of people who were intent on telling me how righteous and pious they were. It is my lived experience that the more you tell me that, there more there is something very nasty that you are hiding.

Do I have proof of that with French? Nope. Am I making a very nasty insinuation with no supporting evidence? Yup.

But at least I'm honest that's what I'm doing. He is so convinced his farts smell like roses he can't even do that.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at August 20, 2018 04:50 PM (mf5HN)

332 Has Goldberg or any of the other NeverTrumpers ever given explicit examples of Trump's "bad character?" Or given examples of why Hillary's "character" was so preferable?

They mostly avoid all such comparatives. If you attempt to corner them, they'll say "It's not binary" (so there's no need for a binary comparison) or they'll say "Well she's not the president, that's why I don't spend time talking about her."

Tell them "fine! Focus on just Trump and give examples!"

Because you never hear about examples about Trump.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 20, 2018 04:50 PM (DKgtk)

333 328. Sad. Boers have been there longer than the Zulu.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, GECSPLAN, SMR and Ancient Slavonaut Newsletters at August 20, 2018 04:51 PM (fA1SL)

334 do not fear in the presence of free men tremble in the presence of slaves when they break their chains! thomas jefferson.

Bless your heart.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 20, 2018 04:51 PM (yQpMk)

335 Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at August 20, 2018 04:47 PM (q1VoB)

I'd rather be governed by the first 10 rows at Talledaga on Sunday.....

Posted by: Shit Buckley never said but should have, Vol. I at August 20, 2018 04:51 PM (BRvh1)

336 Interesting stuff, Jack. Thanks.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2018 04:51 PM (PA9oZ)

337 Ben Casey > Richard Kildaire

Posted by: micky at August 20, 2018 04:51 PM (dF9Lb)

338 Say what you will about Herbert H. Hoover, but the man made a one hell of a fine vacuum cleaner, which is more that anything either one of them Roosevelt brothers ever did for this country!

Posted by: Archie Bunker at August 20, 2018 04:47 PM (8O3HH)

I get what you're saying, but if FDR imagined and invested in project as worthy as the Hoover Dam- which he tried to christen the Boulder Dam because he was an unimaginably petty sack of shit- the Democrats would have never stopped being elected.

Posted by: trev006 at August 20, 2018 04:51 PM (3Tn95)

339 While Trump was fighting for Americans Jonah was defending Williamson's recommendation that they die. Its pretty simple why he doesn't like Trump - its because he doesn't like Americans.

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 20, 2018 04:51 PM (2LelM)

340 Sad. Boers have been there longer than the Zulu.

Which just goes to reinforce the perils of unrestricted immigration.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 20, 2018 04:52 PM (yQpMk)

341 >>>I think he would not be as conservative if the Left had stroked his ego instead of going nuclear on him from day one. I'm actually glad they back him into corners.

DING DING DING DING

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2018 04:52 PM (PA9oZ)

342 The Tea Party was a dead cay bounce.

Trump is for lack of a better construction, the way, the truth and the light towards a muscular American Nationalism that can maybe, maybe save this last best hope of mankind.

If Trump fails....

Oblivion.
Posted by: Kreplach at August 20, 2018 04:41 PM (kT3/m)

Couldn't we get Morrowind instead?

Posted by: buzzion at August 20, 2018 04:52 PM (zRwJ/)

343 325 If you're running off the Canadians I'm assuming the Irish have already been sent packing. The site smells like booze when they're around.

Posted by: Steve Earle Song Ideas at August 20, 2018 04:49 PM (PvCxa)

It'll take balls of steel to go after the SMR contingent.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 20, 2018 04:52 PM (4ErVI)

344 Something I wrote when this first came up last week - If Goldberg had been writing in 1864, he would have been among those howling that Lincoln needed to fire Grant because Grant had a "poor character".

And Lincoln replied to all of his critics, simply, "I need him. He Fights."

Trump is like Grant, in that he doesn't retreat from his enemies, he doesn't surrender, he doesn't make wonderful promises about doing something while he's selling all of his supporters out behind our backs - Trump's tactics are simple. He Fights.

As Horowitz pointed out, we are in a War. A leader who Fights is worth a thousand who won't. More, in fact.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 20, 2018 04:52 PM (k1TUh)

345 Also I am to the point of thinking very very very unkind things indeed about David French. I will say this. I've known a very large number of people who were intent on telling me how righteous and pious they were. It is my lived experience that the more you tell me that, there more there is something very nasty that you are hiding.

The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted out spoons.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 20, 2018 04:53 PM (NWiLs)

346 Goldberg is a manufactured piece of delicate furniture that matches the rug.

It really brings the room together though.
Like a (mainly) white ottoman?

Posted by: andycanuck at August 20, 2018 04:53 PM (Evws/)

347 301 I'll Bite. Jonah's question is worthy of a good answer. Let's start with the seven lively virtues (which oppose the seven deadly sins:

-- Trump is industrious
-- Trump practices Temperance in food and drink. He has no history of drug, tobacco, or alcohol use
-- Trump has show generosity and Charity
-- Trump is capable of great Kindness
-- Trump is Patient.

-------------------------------
-----------------------------

yeah, good stuff. I'm not really sure we need to include the standard boiler plate "trump said poo" disclaimers on our stuff anymore.

Trump is a good president, he's working his ass off and has lived a pretty clean life. And, he's one of these new yorker types who tips the fuck out of people.

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at August 20, 2018 04:53 PM (GoLZO)

348 340. Yup. Sheeit.....you'd think people would have figured that one out around the time of King Philip's War.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, GECSPLAN, SMR and Ancient Slavonaut Newsletters at August 20, 2018 04:53 PM (fA1SL)

349 >>I had asked about Turtle's cancelling of August recess to get judges confirmed but that they haven't worked in two weeks.

The Senate confirmed two more of Trump's circuit court judges last Thursday and are working on more. Trump has now put more judges on the court than any president in the same time period.

The Senate can be maddening but they have been very good on judges.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2018 04:54 PM (/tuJf)

350 Yeah I don't recall the rules for such a situation (one never having occurred, I think, in my lifetime), but McConnell/Grassley should simply swap Flake off for another senator to hit their procedural numbers on the committee, without Flake. Ridiculous.

But note the efforts to which these scum like Flake will go to damage the country and ostentatiously spit on the electorate and their own constituents.

Talk about vile character. And Flake will just be replaced by Mitt - effectively - unless one wants to view Mitt as McCain's replacement (i.e. close to useless "GOP" senator). Believers have to wonder what the deity has against the US, even as its people strive to put things back on track.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 20, 2018 04:54 PM (QDnY+)

351 If you're running off the Canadians I'm assuming the Irish have already been sent packing. The site smells like booze when they're around.

Posted by: Steve Earle Song Ideas

The HQ -always- smells like booze. Helps mask the Val-U-Rite fumes.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Rogue 2 / Shitposter 7 at August 20, 2018 04:54 PM (AM1GF)

352 I don't care how Trump makes the sausage even though sometimes I can't watch. I just know it tastes delicious.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at August 20, 2018 04:54 PM (m/vQu)

353 340 Sad. Boers have been there longer than the Zulu.

Which just goes to reinforce the perils of unrestricted immigration.

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don't you know? Africa for Africans, asia for Asians, and Europe/America is a nation of (non-euro) immigrants.

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at August 20, 2018 04:54 PM (GoLZO)

354 The Senate can be maddening but they have been very good on judges.

Thank you, Harry Reid.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 20, 2018 04:54 PM (yQpMk)

355 I have Cavuto's show on & they just showed video clips of North and South Korean family reunions.

I don't care what kind of propaganda people call it, but it really feels good to watch! Dusty there, dusty here.

Posted by: OldDominionMom at August 20, 2018 04:54 PM (t0Z53)

356 illiwek, thanks for that link - saw discussion of it yesterday?
but couldn't find it.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at August 20, 2018 04:54 PM (58Au8)

357 ace-

My best guess at the relevance at #326.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2018 04:55 PM (/tuJf)

358 343.
Heh. Ace shows no indication of being Fritz, and while there's a non-trivial chance he's a Mongol, we all know he knows the scoreas heroic warrior chieftain Shoiku told the Fritz defense ministress, 'ask your grandparents about Russia.'

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, GECSPLAN, SMR and Ancient Slavonaut Newsletters at August 20, 2018 04:55 PM (fA1SL)

359 Ok, is 'wammo' Mary Cloggenstein or what?

Even the bad spelling and poor analogies are just like her.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 20, 2018 04:55 PM (bcbK8)

360 >>Thank you, Harry Reid.

Be careful what you wish for when you change the rules.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2018 04:56 PM (/tuJf)

361 If Trump fails....

Oblivion.
Posted by: Kreplach at August 20, 2018 04:41 PM (kT3/m)

Couldn't we get Morrowind instead?
Posted by: buzzion

I can give you some Pinto Bean Wind...

Posted by: rickb223 at August 20, 2018 04:56 PM (DKgtk)

362 >>>310 As we now know Trump insult pretty much everyone at one time or another
and his allegiances have been flexible. You either get over it or you
don't. Jonah appears to be firmly and permanently in the "don't" camp.

friends and I have noticed a major shift in the past month with an increasing tempo the past week -- of the weaker-NeverTrumpers getting so pissed at the media for its bias, and of people generally supportive of Trump losing all patience for the NeverTrumpers and deciding that it's time, as they said on the Real World, to stop being polite, and start getting real.

I mean, most people gave them time -- a lot of time -- to work through the five stages of grief and exhaust themselves from their two year temper tantrum.

I think for a lot of people, all patience has run out and it's now just time to treat them as what they are, political enemies.

I don't mean this about me; I've been edgy about this for a long time. But I'm seeing it intensify. People like Kurt Schlichter who used to employ a euphemism like "Fredocons" are now just saying "The Weekly Standard sell-outs," people who previously tried to maintain equanimity with this group are now just attacking them, etc.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2018 04:56 PM (PA9oZ)

363 "117 If they were frog-marching redneck asses into nondeplorable re-education, how many of these "commentators" would stand by and let them do it as long as it didn't affect their bottom line?

How many would justify it rhetorically?

How many would stand guard outside the gate?
Posted by: Mega at August 20, 2018 04:14 PM (nTagT)"

And how many would rat out friends and neighbors to the block captain ?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at August 20, 2018 04:56 PM (58Au8)

364 I used to not like Trump but thought he'd win and be an effective tool.

I now admire him for fighting for us. It's got to be more than ego with all the Shit he's been taking

Posted by: Ignoramus at August 20, 2018 04:56 PM (n+6mJ)

365 Posted by: rhomboid at August 20, 2018 04:54 PM (QDnY+

I personally believe Romney will not be close to the level of traitorous scum that both McCain and now Flake has turned out to be. I know that's not saying much.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at August 20, 2018 04:56 PM (m/vQu)

366 Wammo made the worst toys, invented for keeping retards busy

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at August 20, 2018 04:57 PM (6Ll1u)

367
Enjoy some mugshots of some of our more outstanding citizens:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6078187

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at August 20, 2018 04:57 PM (8O3HH)

368 Tell them "fine! Focus on just Trump and give examples!"

Because you never hear about examples about Trump.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 20, 2018 04:50 PM (DKgtk)

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In their minds, they have given examples. Not being a member of their political club is enough for them. The fact that donors don't and can't control him is what they despise about his character.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at August 20, 2018 04:57 PM (I16G8)

369 k, is 'wammo' Mary Cloggenstein or what?

Even the bad spelling and poor analogies are just like her.
I don't think so, even though she's an obvious parody. You can usually diagram her utterances into something like a sentence. This guy takes all the word types, puts them in a blender, and hits frappe.

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2018 04:57 PM (T6t7i)

370 If Trump fails....

Oblivion.
Posted by: Kreplach at August 20, 2018 04:41 PM (kT3/m)

Couldn't we get Morrowind instead?
Posted by: buzzion

Skyrim, but no mods. And no patches.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at August 20, 2018 04:57 PM (mf5HN)

371 I'm a former piece of shit. Seeing our toxic and backwards our culture has become in addition to fatherhood pushes me towards the righteous side everyday I wake up more and more each morning. I'm sick of this shit. Yeah, I have a past I'm not at all proud of in my teens and 20's but I'll be damned if I'm going to allow my kids to be lied to and suffer the consequences of my mistakes and the mistakes of prior generations before me. The downward spiral has to stop. Lines must be drawn. We are in a war: a spiritual war, a cultural war, and a war for our country, and a war to save Western Civilization along with Christianity.

Posted by: your neighbor with a telescope at August 20, 2018 04:57 PM (Y2VBD)

372 He fights, and also he's got 35% approval from the blacks. so, that's pretty much up yours, my man.

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at August 20, 2018 04:58 PM (GoLZO)

373
I'm fully in the camp that if the Left had stopped their toddler fit a week or so after inauguration, Trump would be a middling President in the Carter mode.�

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at August 20, 2018 04:50 PM (mf5HN)

Serious reals: why do you think that? With a perfectly divided Congress he has resurrected the economy BECAUSE (not in spite) of his exacting tariffs, built an Arab coalition to be friends with Israel and enemies with Iran, brought Korean unification into the realm of plausibility, reshaped the Supreme Court for at least a decade and probably a generation, and most critically begun the process of purging the Deep State. What more do you want?

I shudder to imagine what he could do with genuine bipartisan support.

Posted by: trev006 at August 20, 2018 04:58 PM (3Tn95)

374 I'd rather be governed by the first 10 rows at Talledaga on Sunday.....

Posted by: Shit Buckley never said but should have, Vol. I at August 20, 2018 04:51 PM (BRvh1)

Props to WFB

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at August 20, 2018 04:58 PM (q1VoB)

375 Trump could be every single thing the NTs say he is and worse, and STILL not even hold a candle to Her Serene Scankleness Felonia von Colostomie, first of her name, in terms of sheer moral crapitude.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 20, 2018 04:58 PM (BRvh1)

376 369. I'd still see him on baseball ground.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, GECSPLAN, SMR and Ancient Slavonaut Newsletters at August 20, 2018 04:58 PM (fA1SL)

377 Also I am to the point of thinking very very very unkind things indeed about David French. I will say this. I've known a very large number of people who were intent on telling me how righteous and pious they were. It is my lived experience that the more you tell me that, there more there is something very nasty that you are hiding.

Do I have proof of that with French? Nope. Am I making a very nasty insinuation with no supporting evidence? Yup.

But at least I'm honest that's what I'm doing. He is so convinced his farts smell like roses he can't even do that.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at August 20, 2018 04:50 PM (mf5HN)

Yep. The people who are loudest about their personal righteousness are often the least righteous. He reminds me of the Pharisee who loudly thanked God has wasn't like that other guy over there.

Posted by: Northernlurker lurkier than ever at August 20, 2018 04:58 PM (aCNZ6)

378 370 If Trump fails....

Oblivion.
Posted by: Kreplach at August 20, 2018 04:41 PM (kT3/m)

Couldn't we get Morrowind instead?
Posted by: buzzion

Skyrim, but no mods. And no patches.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at August 20, 2018 04:57 PM (mf5HN)

Um, I have some Skyrim mods I'd....like to keep.

For research purposes.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 20, 2018 04:58 PM (bcbK8)

379 Don't buy that DING DING DING theory, at least for the most part.

Trump has not deviated, AFAIK, in any material way, on *any* policy or appointment pledge that he made prior to office. Thus, I don't see how there is causation between the Insane National Hysterical Tantrum and his "conservative" moves, which were specifically pledged by him before the election.

Is there any case where we have evidence Trump was backsliding, weakening, softening, wimping out, back-stabbing his supporters, or otherwise Doing That Thing WRT any of his major policy planks, but changed in response to the Insane National Hysterical Tantrum?

Posted by: rhomboid at August 20, 2018 04:58 PM (QDnY+)

380 370 If Trump fails....

Oblivion.
Posted by: Kreplach at August 20, 2018 04:41 PM (kT3/m)

Couldn't we get Morrowind instead?
Posted by: buzzion

Skyrim, but no mods. And no patches.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at August 20, 2018 04:57 PM (mf5HN)

Oh so the PS3 version.

Posted by: buzzion at August 20, 2018 04:59 PM (zRwJ/)

381 >>>345 Also I am to the point of thinking very very very unkind things indeed about David French. I will say this. I've known a very large number of people who were intent on telling me how righteous and pious they were. It is my lived experience that the more you tell me that, there more there is something very nasty that you are hiding.

The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted out spoons.

...

I generally suspect anyone who drones on and on about his honor of being dishonorable.

My belief is that one can only restrain one's selfish, unfair, dishonest, self-serving impulses if one ADMITS ONE HAS THEM AT ALL.

If someone claims to be Jesus-like in his moral flawlessness, then he can never correct a moral flaw, for his entire ego is set up to deny the existence of any moral flaws within him.

Those claiming to be morally perfect have created for themselves the sociopathic mindset that permits them to be moral thugs.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2018 04:59 PM (PA9oZ)

382 Trump is like Grant, in that he doesn't retreat from his enemies, he doesn't surrender, he doesn't make wonderful promises about doing something while he's selling all of his supporters out behind our backs - Trump's tactics are simple. He Fights.
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Grant was a plodder. Trump is much more like Nathan Bedford Forrest. He attacks and wins without overwhelming force - just the force of his character which frightens nice boys from West Manhattan.

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 20, 2018 04:59 PM (2LelM)

383 If Trump fails....

Oblivion.
Posted by: Kreplach at August 20, 2018 04:41 PM (kT3/m)

Q will come.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 20, 2018 04:59 PM (yQpMk)

384 Skyrim, but no mods. And no patches.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at August 20, 2018 04:57 PM (mf5HN)

That's like banging a prostitute missionary-style.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 20, 2018 04:59 PM (BRvh1)

385 I don't mean this about me; I've been edgy about this for a long time. But I'm seeing it intensify. People like Kurt Schlichter who used to employ a euphemism like "Fredocons" are now just saying "The Weekly Standard sell-outs," people who previously tried to maintain equanimity with this group are now just attacking them, etc.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2018 04:56 PM (PA9oZ)
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But it's also that as time goes on, and more wins for what is actually conservative amass, you more and more have to wonder what's in it for them to resist.

It's very likely 1) personal, or 2) like Krystol's organization covering up for their own collusion against Trump.

Posted by: Axeman at August 20, 2018 05:00 PM (vDqXW)

386 I tend to trust adults who admit that they were wrong and don't have all the answers over the pious and I have to always win the debate group of adults. The NT's and SJWs fall in the latter category.

Posted by: your neighbor with a telescope at August 20, 2018 05:00 PM (Y2VBD)

387 Talk about vile character. And Flake will just be
replaced by Mitt - effectively - unless one wants to view Mitt as
McCain's replacement (i.e. close to useless "GOP" senator). Believers
have to wonder what the deity has against the US, even as its people
strive to put things back on track.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 20, 2018 04:54 PM (QDnY+)

I think Mitt takes a longer and broader view. Trump said some negative stuff about him and he still talked SoS with Trump. Flake needs money - i.e., a CNN/MSNBC gig and this helps him achieve those resume bonafides. Mitt already has money.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at August 20, 2018 05:00 PM (q1VoB)

388 over at real clear politics

Full Replay: President Trump Honors "Heroes" Of ICE and Border Patrol

in case you wanted to watch it in full. Ole Shep's show cut it off just when it was getting good (Trump trashing Democrats).

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 20, 2018 05:01 PM (uPlWr)

389 384 Skyrim, but no mods. And no patches.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at August 20, 2018 04:57 PM (mf5HN)

That's like banging a prostitute missionary-style.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 20, 2018 04:59 PM (BRvh1)

Ah, the single life...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 20, 2018 05:01 PM (bcbK8)

390 >>>Trump has not deviated, AFAIK, in any material way, on *any* policy or appointment pledge that he made prior to office. Thus, I don't see how there is causation between the Insane National Hysterical Tantrum and his "conservative" moves, which were specifically pledged by him before the election.

there have been some trial balloons that worried me, though perhaps they were floated by the anti-Trumpers who dominate this administration.

How much to believe the DING DING thesis is up to you, but it's hard to argue that the left hasn't done us a great favor by burning all bridges with trump that he MIGHT have crossed to gain their favor.

Would he have? I suspect he would have. You are more doubtful. But the left has it impossible to do so, whatever Trump's instincts might have been.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2018 05:01 PM (PA9oZ)

391 Grant was a plodder.

He understood that he would win if he could forced a war of attrition, as horrible as that must be for both sides.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 20, 2018 05:01 PM (yQpMk)

392 Wammo made the worst toys, invented for keeping retards busy
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby

Frisbee? Really.

Posted by: wrg500 Manatee bounty hunter at August 20, 2018 05:01 PM (Bdeb0)

393 330 Oleg just keeps popping up over and over. I wonder if we will ever get to hear the tapes.

https://tinyurl.com/y7vbvwp2
Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2018 04:33 PM (/tuJf)

ha, someone got to her.

That's a girl who tried to get out of a jail in Thailand by publicly embarrassing a Russian oligarch. Talk about playing a weak hand badly - I'd say she's in a heap of a lot of trouble. I wouldn't be surprised if Oleg sent down a jet with some of his men in it to pick her up, with a nice payment to the Thai authorities for their trouble. And she can get escorted back to Russia to have a nice little talk with Oleg and his enforcers about these supposed "tapes" she has.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 20, 2018 05:01 PM (k1TUh)

394 @364

I instantly knew Trump was going to be the nominee, I said so from day one.

And I knew he wasn't blowing smoke because of this...

https://tinyurl.com/pkmlwj6

Dude's been consistently American nationalistic since 88'

Sure he's been a bullshit artist from time to time but when he's expounded on politics he's been consistent.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 20, 2018 05:02 PM (kT3/m)

395 That's like banging a prostitute missionary-style.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 20, 2018 04:59 PM (BRvh1)

But I like missionary .

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at August 20, 2018 05:02 PM (m/vQu)

396 Has anyone tried playing Skyrim on their ~~wiretap~~ Amazon Alexa yet?

Yes that wasn't a joke clip at E3. It is a real thing.

Posted by: buzzion at August 20, 2018 05:02 PM (zRwJ/)

397 >>I don't mean this about me; I've been edgy about this for a long time. But I'm seeing it intensify. People like Kurt Schlichter who used to employ a euphemism like "Fredocons" are now just saying "The Weekly Standard sell-outs," people who previously tried to maintain equanimity with this group are now just attacking them, etc

I think we are approaching a real point of choosing. What was done to Trump is going to come out, it's beyond obvious now and there is no stopping it. The only question is when not if.

And when that happens the real battle lines get drawn. You either choose the corrupt, over powerful deep state or whatever you want to call it as not just our betters but our masters or you choose us for lack of a better term.

We are either going to take back the government and run this thing the way it was meant to be run or we are going to give it over to a corrupt political class. But if you choose us you take Trump as part of the package.

If they still can't get onboard when that glowing red line is drawn then you are just on the other side.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2018 05:02 PM (/tuJf)

398 You know that Islam? Yeah, it's not evil at all.

https://bit.ly/2N8mXP6

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at August 20, 2018 05:03 PM (+y/Ru)

399 He understood that he would win if he could forced a war of attrition, as horrible as that must be for both sides.

True, and that was better than not winning, like his predecessors, but that doesn't mean a more gifted general couldn't have done it better. Imagine what Lee would have done with the Union army.

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2018 05:03 PM (T6t7i)

400 391 Grant was a plodder.

He understood that he would win if he could forced a war of attrition, as horrible as that must be for both sides.

-----

what do you do when one side has one of best generals in military history with an army of motivated soldiers and you're just this guy with an army of conscripts?

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at August 20, 2018 05:03 PM (GoLZO)

401 Zulu? The guy on Space Wars? Didn't he turn out to be a gay?

Posted by: Weasel at August 20, 2018 05:03 PM (MVjcR)

402 "My belief is that one can only restrain one's selfish, unfair, dishonest, self-serving impulses if one ADMITS ONE HAS THEM AT ALL.

If someone claims to be Jesus-like in his moral flawlessness, then he can never correct a moral flaw, for his entire ego is set up to deny the existence of any moral flaws within him."

Very important point. Jordan Peterson talks about this idea a fair amount.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 20, 2018 05:03 PM (NWiLs)

403 of course, Lee did order Picket's Charge, so ...

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at August 20, 2018 05:03 PM (GoLZO)

404 Dana Perino is a dick. She is probably a super RINO

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 20, 2018 05:04 PM (Lg2h/)

405 391. Grant was a plodder.
He understood that he would win if he could forced a war of attrition, as horrible as that must be for both sides.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 20, 2018 05:01 PM
**
Not seeing the problem. - Stavka.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, GECSPLAN, SMR and Ancient Slavonaut Newsletters at August 20, 2018 05:04 PM (fA1SL)

406 That hate Trump because he exposes them for the phonies that they are. It was easy with the Bushes to pretend to be conservatives and pay lip service to conservative causes. Trump comes in a does what he says he going to do and it's straight for the fainting couches. Barry and Hillary also allowed them to be pretend conservatives. See how much we're against them without actually doing anything

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 20, 2018 05:04 PM (SiINZ)

407 I'll Bite. Jonah's question is worthy of a good answer. Let's start with the seven lively virtues (which oppose the seven deadly sins:

-- Trump is industrious
-- Trump practices Temperance in food and drink. He has no history of drug, tobacco, or alcohol use
-- Trump has show generosity and Charity
-- Trump is capable of great Kindness
-- Trump is Patient.

-------------------------------

This is true.

Posted by: JoeF. at August 20, 2018 05:04 PM (y8Foj)

408 Grant was a terrible corrupt POTUS.

Posted by: your neighbor with a telescope at August 20, 2018 05:04 PM (Y2VBD)

409 True, and that was better than not winning, like his predecessors, but that doesn't mean a more gifted general couldn't have done it better. Imagine what Lee would have done with the Union army.

----

more like artillery, navy, uniforms, rations, and sundry supplies.

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at August 20, 2018 05:04 PM (GoLZO)

410 >>>404 Dana Perino is a dick. She is probably a super RINO

bush girl by training, bush girl by inclination and social milleu

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2018 05:04 PM (PA9oZ)

411 "I generally suspect anyone who drones on and on about his honor of being dishonorable.

My belief is that one can only restrain one's selfish, unfair, dishonest, self-serving impulses if one ADMITS ONE HAS THEM AT ALL."

Same with people who claim to know everything like "The Expert" Tom Nichols. In reality, he is an insufferable idiot.

Posted by: Benji Carver at August 20, 2018 05:05 PM (OD2ni)

412 391 Grant was a plodder.

He understood that he would win if he could forced a war of attrition, as horrible as that must be for both sides.
---------------------
Yes. That's why I call him a plodder.

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 20, 2018 05:05 PM (2LelM)

413 Grant was all like, if this is going to be this kind of war, I'm gonna stick my dick in the mashed potatoes.

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at August 20, 2018 05:05 PM (GoLZO)

414 Trying to think of the various pathologies leading to never-trumpism:

1) Never was conservative to begin with in a real ideological sense, just a paid shill for corporatist interests (Kristol)
2) Personal Vendetta (Goldberg)
3) Makes a living being a bloody-minded contrarian, so in for a penny, in for a pound (Williamson, French)

I'm not talking about people who have legit criticisms of Trump's actions here and there, I mean the unhinged, reflexive, poorly though out Hatred of Trump as a totem.

(And Progs and Dems are just dumb, so they're not part of the analysis)

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 20, 2018 05:05 PM (BRvh1)

415 Imagine what Lee would have done with the Union army.

I've revered Lee since childhood, as was the way of my people, but other than Chancellorsville, what great tactical victory did he win? He was good at avoiding annihilation but that's about it. Johnston was a better defensive general, having grasped early that the spade was more powerful the rifle.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 20, 2018 05:06 PM (yQpMk)

416 Grant was a terrible corrupt POTU

---
\
if I recall my history lessons...grant was expected to be a terrible, corrupt POTUS...but he shocked everyone by not being that.

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at August 20, 2018 05:06 PM (GoLZO)

417 Just found a big dead crow outside my outbuilding, either dig and bury it, let the vultures or raccoons drag it away, but best would be if it was raining give it a cremation.

Posted by: Skip at August 20, 2018 05:06 PM (lxZ71)

418 400 391 Grant was a plodder.

He understood that he would win if he could forced a war of attrition, as horrible as that must be for both sides.

-----

what do you do when one side has one of best generals in military history with an army of motivated soldiers and you're just this guy with an army of conscripts?
Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at August 20, 2018 05:03 PM (GoLZO)

Well sending wave after wave of men after them is....sub-optimal.

Grant of the Mississippi breakout or of Ft. Donnelson was not the Grant of the Wilderness or Cold Harbor or Sharpsburg.

I suspect it had something to do with the change from being in charge of A army to being in charge of all the armies. Two different skill sets.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 20, 2018 05:06 PM (bcbK8)

419 G-D is juan the stupidest man on TV?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 20, 2018 05:06 PM (Lg2h/)

420 413
Grant was all like, if this is going to be this kind of war, I'm gonna stick my dick in the mashed potatoes.

That incident was one of Shelby Foote's most insightful chapters.

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2018 05:07 PM (T6t7i)

421 >>>Same with people who claim to know everything like "The Expert" Tom Nichols. In reality, he is an insufferable idiot.

the other day on Twitter he revealed a new area of expertise: remote psychiatric diagnosis

https://twitter.com/RadioFreeTom/status/1031374695776571392

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2018 05:07 PM (PA9oZ)

422 417.
Buzzards gotta eat, same as worms.

* spits *

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, GECSPLAN, SMR and Ancient Slavonaut Newsletters at August 20, 2018 05:07 PM (fA1SL)

423 We can bash the Bushes but they turned Texas red. I will always be in their debt for that.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at August 20, 2018 05:07 PM (m/vQu)

424
One of the best side effects of the Trump Presidency is finding out who all the pretend conservatives are. So many of these media-cons remind me of the old GOP senators who just pretended to oppose as long as they kept their phoney baloney jobs.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 20, 2018 05:07 PM (r+sAi)

425 I don't mean this about me; I've been edgy about this for a long time. But I'm seeing it intensify. People like Kurt Schlichter who used to employ a euphemism like "Fredocons" are now just saying "The Weekly Standard sell-outs," people who previously tried to maintain equanimity with this group are now just attacking them, etc

I think we are approaching a real point of choosing. What was done to Trump is going to come out, it's beyond obvious now and there is no stopping it. The only question is when not if.

And when that happens the real battle lines get drawn. You either choose the corrupt, over powerful deep state or whatever you want to call it as not just our betters but our masters or you choose us for lack of a better term.

We are either going to take back the government and run this thing the way it was meant to be run or we are going to give it over to a corrupt political class. But if you choose us you take Trump as part of the package.

If they still can't get onboard when that glowing red line is drawn then you are just on the other side.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2018 05:02 PM (/tuJf)

If you haven't seen it, check out Mark Levin's show from this past weekend.

All about Article V.

Mark Meckler and former Sen. Tom Coburn on call for a Convention of States

Mark Levin sits down for an in-depth conversation with Tom Coburn and Mark Meckler to discuss the Convention of States project as well as the state of American politics today.

I learned a lot.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 20, 2018 05:07 PM (uPlWr)

426 416 Grant was a terrible corrupt POTU

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if I recall my history lessons...grant was expected to be a terrible, corrupt POTUS...but he shocked everyone by not being that.
Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at August 20, 2018 05:06 PM (GoLZO)

I'll admit that it may be possible my Southern Education was bias against him.

Posted by: your neighbor with a telescope at August 20, 2018 05:08 PM (Y2VBD)

427 392 Wammo made the worst toys, invented for keeping retards busy
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby

Frisbee? Really.
Posted by: wrg500

If you threw it, did it come back, or did you have to chase it down?

Kept busy.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 20, 2018 05:08 PM (DKgtk)

428 Mmmm, Mmm, Mm, Mamuh Mister Goldberg, are you a flake?

Exit question: Wasn't Crystal Billy's claim to fame being Dan Quale's COS? Does anybody have a clue what ever happened to him? Me either.

Posted by: Cwissy Wahwace at August 20, 2018 05:08 PM (lDlfl)

429 Grant was smart because he went with the longbows instead of the crossbows.

Posted by: Axeman at August 20, 2018 05:08 PM (vDqXW)

430 McCarthy is wrong. Trump yanked Brennan's security clearance because he knows exactly what he did.

Some people still haven't figured out that Trump doesn't always say what he's doing despite the fact that Trump says all the time I don't tell people what I'm going to do.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2018 05:08 PM (/tuJf)

431 Grant wasn't a personally corrupt POTUS, but he was surrounded by corrupt friends. And he refused to acknowledge that or rein them in.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 20, 2018 05:08 PM (bcbK8)

432 Oh and Indonesia is supposed to be the least jihadis, more timid some say.
Don't trust them as far as you can throw them.

Posted by: Skip at August 20, 2018 05:08 PM (lxZ71)

433 Q will come.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 20, 2018 04:59 PM (yQpMk)

He better bring the fully equipped Aston Martin

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 20, 2018 05:08 PM (SiINZ)

434 ace - I suppose it's unknowable, but agreed it's certainly a good thing (tactically) that the tantrum may have burned bridges for Trump. I don't think the most famous incidents (the DACA "I'll sign any deal") were actually trial balloons, just uncommonly audacious bluff-callings/plays for "moderation" cred with the public.

JackStraw - oh very much yes. Question is timing/structure. If, in fact, there finally is an unambiguous Turning Point at which the unbelievable criminality and constitutional vandalism of 2016/17 are unveiled (indictments, pleas, etc.), reaction to that will tell our fate. Despite my pessimism I actually think a solid majority of the electorate will find it unacceptable/appalling, though manifestations of this will vary in form and intensity. But the Beltway (a mindset, not geography) is another question.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 20, 2018 05:08 PM (QDnY+)

435 G-D is juan the stupidest man on TV?

You really need to ask?

Posted by: Jewells45 at August 20, 2018 05:09 PM (dUJdY)

436 if I recall my history lessons...grant was expected to be a terrible, corrupt POTUS...but he shocked everyone by not being that.
Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at August 20, 2018 05:06 PM (GoLZO)

That is my recollection.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at August 20, 2018 05:09 PM (m/vQu)

437 If you threw it, did it come back, or did you have to chase it down?

Kept busy.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 20, 2018 05:08 PM (DKgtk)
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If you had a friend, though....

Posted by: Axeman at August 20, 2018 05:09 PM (vDqXW)

438 359
Ok, is 'wammo' Mary Cloggenstein or what?

Even the bad spelling and poor analogies are just like her.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 20, 2018 04:55 PM (bcbK

Wait dammit! I'm in charge of bad spelling and poor analogies!

Posted by: DamnedYankee at August 20, 2018 05:09 PM (37IEG)

439
I remember reading a long piece on Lee which concluded that he was one bad general, who made some really bad calls.

It was a sombering read for someone who is revered with near god like status among Southern tradition.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at August 20, 2018 05:09 PM (8O3HH)

440 It's interesting to see how Horowitz's eyes have been opened to the perfidy of both the NT's and the Dems. i wonder at some point if he will (without announcing it in public) become a member of the "Walk Away" movement.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 20, 2018 05:09 PM (AllCR)

441 Some people still haven't figured out that Trump doesn't always say what he's doing despite the fact that Trump says all the time I don't tell people what I'm going to do.

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it's like Trump's nice to Kim, "what a putz getting rolled...oh we're at peace" and Trump's nice to Putin "what a treasonous asshole, oh he's arming the Ukraine and stifling Rus's gas monopoly in Europe"

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at August 20, 2018 05:09 PM (GoLZO)

442 The country could not survive another Democrat/Clinton presidency. Trump fights, does not surrender to the PC mobs at first sign of trouble and he generally supports conservative ideas. We don't care that much about his character since it is undoubtedly far better that Hillary's, and most professional politicians for that matter. It is not that hard to understand. Jonah.

Posted by: Ripley at August 20, 2018 05:10 PM (MxEKc)

443 If we're gonna get Civil War theoretical, then let's get Civil theoretical.

https://youtu.be/YszYmO_2KHw

Posted by: buzzion at August 20, 2018 05:10 PM (zRwJ/)

444 Would he have? I suspect he would have. You are more doubtful. But the left has it impossible to do so, whatever Trump's instincts might have been.

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2018 05:01 PM (PA9oZ)

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I suspect that their hard stances against him killed any thoughts he previously had about being able to negotiate with them. They drew their lines hard and early, and would not budge.

I don't think they would have gotten even half of what they wanted from him, but chances are they would have gotten something.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at August 20, 2018 05:10 PM (I16G8)

445 If you haven't seen it, check out Mark Levin's show from this past weekend.

All about Article V.

Mark Meckler and former Sen. Tom Coburn on call for a Convention of States

Mark Levin sits down for an in-depth conversation with Tom Coburn and Mark Meckler to discuss the Convention of States project as well as the state of American politics today.

They believe they are making progress and adding mores states over time. I had no idea this was going on. They say they believe they will win.

But even if the states do, will the government follow the Constitution? That is the danger line.

I couldn't believe it when they told us how many pages the Constitution really is. And how most Americans believe it is the "pocket" Constitution or the one pager...

Great show.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 20, 2018 05:10 PM (uPlWr)

446 I remember reading a long piece on Lee which concluded that he was one bad general, who made some really bad calls.

It was a sombering read for someone who is revered with near god like status among Southern tradition.

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"Your conclusions were all wrong, Ryan. Halsey acted stupidly."

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at August 20, 2018 05:10 PM (GoLZO)

447 Grant wasn't a personally corrupt POTUS, but he was surrounded by corrupt friends. And he refused to acknowledge that or rein them in.

Yep. And his lack of profiteering lead to the idea of Presidential Pensions, since he was bankrupt and dying when he wrote his Memoirs, which are a fascinating read, btw, and available for free, being in the public domain..

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 20, 2018 05:11 PM (yQpMk)

448 O Dear Lord. The new neighbor a single very pretty and young Pakistani mom with two kids just bought a Great Pyrenees puppy for a guard dog.

I have my work cut out for me.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 20, 2018 05:11 PM (JUOKG)

449 George Soros and the other Globalists/International Commies have been prepared for an Article V convention for at least a decade and have their people in place. I believe I first read about that on WND.

Posted by: your neighbor with a telescope at August 20, 2018 05:11 PM (Y2VBD)

450 He understood that he would win if he could forced a war of attrition, as horrible as that must be for both sides.

He also recognized the benefit of non-plodders such as Sherman's march behind the southern lines. For all the south's supposedly better generals, Sherman went largely unopposed. Grant's tying up Lee helped Sherman succeed.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 20, 2018 05:11 PM (2lndx)

451 429
Grant was smart because he went with the longbows instead of the crossbows.

Posted by: Axeman at August 20, 2018 05:08 PM (vDqXW)
that's because Grant remembered the rain at Shiloh and the effect it had. Crossbow strings weren't worth a damn after they got wet.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at August 20, 2018 05:11 PM (37IEG)

452 Those dog pics Jonah posts? They're not taken by him. They're taken by his dog-walker.

Yes, dog walker.

Now if we were to employ the same attitude that Jonah et al use in regards to Trump we would begin by screeching about TRUTH, MISLEADING, ILL-REGARD FOR THE TRUTH, HOW CAN WE TRUST HIM????!!!!

And then some petty remarks about being able to afford such a thing as a dog-walker.

Notice how stupid and small that sounds?

Yeah.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 20, 2018 05:11 PM (1jWCo)

453 >>it's like Trump's nice to Kim, "what a putz getting rolled...oh we're at peace" and Trump's nice to Putin "what a treasonous asshole, oh he's arming the Ukraine and stifling Rus's gas monopoly in Europe"

And right before he was nice to Kim he was calling him Little Rocket Man from the floor of the UN among other places.

He's Misdirection Man!

Posted by: JackStraw at August 20, 2018 05:11 PM (/tuJf)

454 I've revered Lee since childhood, as was the way of my people, but other
than Chancellorsville, what great tactical victory did he win?
Fredericksburg.

Johnston was a
better defensive general, having grasped early that the spade was more
powerful the rifle.
Johnston did indeed have that mindset, and it got him fired because he was too cautious. Lee knew that was not an option for the South over the long term, so took lots of offensive chances. However, he too was an evangelist for the spade when he was on the defense. His men mocked him early in the war as the "King of Spades". They learned that he was right.

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2018 05:11 PM (T6t7i)

455 That is to say, ExPresident Grant's poverty was so embarrassing to the country we resolved to give the President a living no matter what.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 20, 2018 05:11 PM (yQpMk)

456 450
He understood that he would win if he could forced a war of attrition, as horrible as that must be for both sides.

And he stopped the tradition of prisoner exchange.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at August 20, 2018 05:12 PM (37IEG)

457 301---Posted by: Sweet Lou at August 20, 2018 04:44 PM (4DuI9)
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That's a very good post!
But I would add that Trump has the classical virtue of COURAGE, which is in absurdly short supply in our political class.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 20, 2018 05:12 PM (0jtPF)

458 In Grant's defense of paced slaughter his Army did have a lot of Irish to spend.

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 20, 2018 05:12 PM (2LelM)

459 404 Dana Perino is a dick. She is probably a super RINO

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And sounds like she needs a super-sized rhino dick up her cooch.

Posted by: JoeF. at August 20, 2018 05:12 PM (y8Foj)

460 Lee was good at speed, decision and alacrity. Then there's his personal charisma.

Tactically he had typical problems of trying to get his plans executed as he designed them. Not all of his subordinates were firing on all cylinders all the time.

On the defensive, he was damn good. But when he went over to the offense, things went awry more often that not.

Johnston was a very good tactician but he was lacking in decision. He wouldn't take risks. On the other hand, he also didn't wreck his army the way Hood did.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 20, 2018 05:12 PM (bcbK8)

461 417 Just found a big dead crow outside my outbuilding, either dig and bury it, let the vultures or raccoons drag it away, but best would be if it was raining give it a cremation.
Posted by: Skip at August 20, 2018 05:06 PM (lxZ71)

Odin must be trying to tell you something...

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 20, 2018 05:12 PM (BRvh1)

462 The neverTrumpers never direct fire at the left. Fear is legitimately a possible explanation.

Posted by: Northernlurker lurkier than ever at August 20, 2018 05:13 PM (aCNZ6)

463 And he stopped the tradition of prisoner exchange.
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That was Lincoln not Grant.

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 20, 2018 05:13 PM (2LelM)

464 Palp, vot eta tochna, as we say. Starting another Glantz book today, on Op Mars, the failed offensive around Moscow in '42. During which Soviet losses made Shiloh look like a weekend rugby tournament.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 20, 2018 05:14 PM (QDnY+)

465 Odin must be trying to tell you something...
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That was my first thought as well.

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 20, 2018 05:14 PM (2LelM)

466 The neverTrumpers never direct fire at the left. Fear is legitimately a possible explanation.

Posted by: Northernlurker lurkier than ever at August 20, 2018 05:13 PM (aCNZ6)

More like friendly fire for them

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 20, 2018 05:14 PM (SiINZ)

467 tablet sign in

Posted by: andycanuck at August 20, 2018 05:14 PM (Evws/)

468 Yeah.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 20, 2018 05:11 PM (1jWCo)

So Mr. "My Dogs Are My Life" hires a dog-walker.

F*cking poseur.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 20, 2018 05:15 PM (BRvh1)

469 "Ok, is 'wammo' Mary Cloggenstein or what? "

Never assume that just because someone is an idiot, that it automatically means that they are Mary.

Plenty more mouth breathing troll pops around besides her.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 20, 2018 05:15 PM (wldC6)

470 408 Grant was a terrible corrupt POTUS."

This is unfair; he never profited a single bit from any of the stuff that went on when he was in office. But he was not a good judge of mens characters, and he could not believe that men who he thought of as friends would lie to his face and cheat the country, just for money. There's plenty of good evidence that by modern standards, Grant had severe aspergers, was possibly borderline autistic. He was capable of incredible periods of intense focus, but also often said he preferred the company of animals (horses, mules, and dogs) to the company of men. It's rather common for people on the autism spectrum to relate to animals more than they relate to humans.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 20, 2018 05:15 PM (k1TUh)

471 If Lee had that sweet sweet cannon fodder coming over from Europe (Germany) like Grant, it would have been a different ball game.

Posted by: your neighbor with a telescope at August 20, 2018 05:15 PM (Y2VBD)

472 447 Grant wasn't a personally corrupt POTUS, but he was surrounded by corrupt friends. And he refused to acknowledge that or rein them in.

Yep. And his lack of profiteering lead to the idea of Presidential Pensions, since he was bankrupt and dying when he wrote his Memoirs, which are a fascinating read, btw, and available for free, being in the public domain..
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 20, 2018 05:11 PM (yQpMk)

Seconded.

They're very readable, even for modern students. Some 19th century writers were a bit prone to 'speechifying' and complex sentence. Grant wrote clear, simple speech, as Lincoln did.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 20, 2018 05:15 PM (bcbK8)

473 That's a very good post!
But I would add that Trump has the classical virtue of COURAGE, which is in absurdly short supply in our political class.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 20, 2018 05:12 PM (0jtPF)

I don't know if it's courage or boldness. There is a big difference. I personally think it's boldness and it is successful right now. The problem with bold people though is when their boldness is not successful. It brings out the worst. I pray he remains successful.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at August 20, 2018 05:16 PM (m/vQu)

474 Nood wayciss

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 20, 2018 05:16 PM (BRvh1)

475 Huge dog whistle for the latinos in that R-I-S-P-I-C-T line from MSNBC and Reverend Al.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at August 20, 2018 05:16 PM (+Q/QS)

476 I've always thought that Lee should have tried to preserve his armies, like Washington, and outlast the war sentiment in the North, like Washington did with England.

Of course, had Britain pulled a Sherman and simply burned down every city in America, they would probably have won as well.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 20, 2018 05:16 PM (yQpMk)

477 ... oh, and the other, other thing is, while i may not be a fan of trump, i have become an avid supporter - for his achievements and increasingly because of his victimization at the hands of the clinton and obama cabals.

Posted by: mjc at August 20, 2018 05:16 PM (Pg+x7)

478 Grant may have been autistic! The things you learn here. Also, interesting.

Posted by: your neighbor with a telescope at August 20, 2018 05:17 PM (Y2VBD)

479 If you threw it, did it come back, or did you have to chase it down?

Kept busy.
Posted by: rickb223

IF you threw it correctly yes it did comeback

Posted by: wrg500 Manatee bounty hunter at August 20, 2018 05:17 PM (Bdeb0)

480 @445

An Article V convention is a pipe dream at this time.

First, the GOP only controls the legislatures' of 31 states and only controls 25 states fully.

So right there you don't have enough states to call for a convention and to control it and it's out come.

Second, forget about the Democrats, the GOPe would work tirelessly to sabotage any convention.

And this doesn't even get into what the left would do if by some miracle we get enough numbers to even call for a convention.

The left would send it's army of thugs out across the country to harass and intimidate every state convention and every convetion official.

We are simply not voting or Article V'ing our way out of our predicament.

We have let it get too far gone and it will have to blow up and hopefully we are in a position of power in the aftermath to rebuild from the ashes.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 20, 2018 05:17 PM (kT3/m)

481 O Dear Lord. The new neighbor a single very pretty and young Pakistani mom with two kids just bought a Great Pyrenees puppy for a guard dog.

I have my work cut out for me.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman

DON'T give her any recipes!

Posted by: rickb223 at August 20, 2018 05:18 PM (DKgtk)

482 458
In Grant's defense of paced slaughter his Army did have a lot of Irish to spend.

Posted by: Puddin Head at August 20, 2018 05:12 PM (2LelM)
It wasn't like they were cautious with spending the Irish before Grant. There was a certain cornfield at Sharpsburg.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at August 20, 2018 05:18 PM (37IEG)

483 They're very readable, even for modern students. Some 19th century writers were a bit prone to 'speechifying' and complex sentence. Grant wrote clear, simple speech, as Lincoln did.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 20, 2018 05:15 PM (bcbK

Glad you liked the book!

Posted by: Mark Twain at August 20, 2018 05:18 PM (y8Foj)

484 Margarita with a great point - courage. A virtue almost completely absent in recent years (not completely, but the few examples actually are now lost in loss of context and would be dismissed contemptuously by half here).

Trump has courage, takes risks, hungers for results and accomplishments.

Turns out to be a very, very good set of "character" traits for this office, at this time in history. Thank you very much.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 20, 2018 05:19 PM (QDnY+)

485
Glad you liked the book!

Posted by: Mark Twain at August 20, 2018 05:18 PM (y8Foj)
Heh, I even has an original copy

Posted by: DamnedYankee at August 20, 2018 05:19 PM (37IEG)

486 So if you surround yourself with corrupt people and refuse nip it and them in the bud and just show apathy towards it, doesn't that make you corrupt as shit as well since you are their boss. Fuck profit. Abuse of power comes in other forms.

Posted by: your neighbor with a telescope at August 20, 2018 05:20 PM (Y2VBD)

487 404 Dana Perino is a dick. She is probably a super RINO

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And sounds like she needs a super-sized rhino dick up her cooch.

Posted by: JoeF. at August 20, 2018 05:12 PM (y8Foj)

woof. WOOF.

Posted by: Jasper at August 20, 2018 05:20 PM (HgMAr)

488 I wonder if these prissy cucks regard George S. Patton or Winston Churchill to be men of low character, considering their being prone to making uncouth remarks?

Posted by: Reggie1971 at August 20, 2018 05:21 PM (r/tP0)

489 Dear Lord. The new neighbor a single very pretty and young Pakistani mom with two kids just bought a Great Pyrenees puppy for a guard dog.

I have my work cut out for me.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman

Young and single PAKISTANI woman-- with kids!!- bought a dog??
So much haram here I don't know where to start!

Posted by: JoeF. at August 20, 2018 05:21 PM (y8Foj)

490 It was a sombering read for someone who is revered with near god like status among Southern tradition."

Longstreet tried to talk him into bypassing the Federal positions at Gettysburg and racing to Washington D.C., which had been stripped of all of its troops. If Lee had listened to Longstreet, he could have occupied Washington D.C. within a week and probably have forced an end to the war right there.

Also, Lee took a lot of credit early on for the tactical brilliance that actually came from Stonewall Jackson.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 20, 2018 05:21 PM (k1TUh)

491 Ace, ritalin is a medicine -- doesn't count against temperance unless abused.

I'd add courage and resoluteness to Trump's character as well.

And another virtue that is difficult to name: Trump has picked a lot of low-hanging fruit that should have been taken care of long ago (Move embassy to Jerusalem, Pardon Jack Johnson)

Posted by: Sweet Lou at August 20, 2018 05:22 PM (4DuI9)

492 Dana Perino is a dick. She is probably a super RINO
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August

she is nothing more than a cheerleader. some pr experience but nothing of note. she only knows how to phrase things to make them less objectionable. no policy experience, no practical useful experience.

she does know who she owes and is loyal.

Posted by: ? at August 20, 2018 05:24 PM (MTjB1)

493 404 Dana Perino is a dick. She is probably a super RINO

but her powdered borshch can't be beet.

Posted by: Anachronda at August 20, 2018 05:24 PM (NmR1a)

494 The FBI approached Deripaska ...
Still, they had something he desperately wanted, sanctions relief
that was killing him personally. I believe he is the "friend" Steele
referenced in his communications with Ohr when he said it would be
terrible if our "friend" was forced to go back home.
Those tapes might well prove Russian collusion, just not with Trump.Posted by: JackStraw

and criminal/seditious collusion of our FBI, and a real quid pro quo. that is much worse than "collusion" with Hillary, and is hopefully another show to drop ... a BFD.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 20, 2018 05:26 PM (bT8Z4)

495 what do you do when one side has one of best generals in military history with an army of motivated soldiers and you're just this guy with an army of conscripts?
Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at August 20, 2018 05:03 PM (GoLZO)

Many Northern soldiers were motivated and the North had some good generals.

The South had conscription. Remember Jefferson Davis' thoughts on grinding the seed corn.

Grant and Sherman knew how to win with what they had and they did.

Jeb Stuart's poor recon was a worse blunder than Pickett's charge.

Whoever cast Martin Sheen as Lee in the movie Gettysburg was blue bellied monkeyfucker.

Posted by: SorryPrecious at August 20, 2018 05:27 PM (EfadY)

496 486 So if you surround yourself with corrupt people and refuse nip it and them in the bud and just show apathy towards it, doesn't that make you corrupt as shit as well since you are their boss. Fuck profit."

Or it just makes one clueless, a person who was elevated to a level far above his ability to cope with it. As the wizard of Oz said, he wasn't a bad man, he was a very good man, he was just a very bad Wizard.

Grant could function well inside the very rigid hierarchy of a wartime military, with very clearly defined goals. He was lost outside of that (remember he had been a failure at everything he tried before the war) and he was only elevated to the Presidency because the men who were already planning on how to enrich themselves (more or less the Radical Republican Congressional leadership) saw him as a very useful patsy that the public would love, and who would be unable to even understand all the games they were intending to play.

No one defends Grant's presidency, but to be fair one must consider how unbelievably corrupt the entire political power structure was at the time. (huh, a lot like now) One of the only people who truly comes off as moral was William Tecumseh Sherman, who was openly disgusted by everything political and til the end of his life flatly refused to have anything to do with it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 20, 2018 05:28 PM (k1TUh)

497 Whoops, Margarita DeVille beat me to courage...Credit where it is due.

Posted by: Sweet Lou at August 20, 2018 05:31 PM (4DuI9)

498 Grant's editor: Twain, of course.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at August 20, 2018 05:34 PM (Ndje9)

499 G-D is juan the stupidest man on TV?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 20, 2018 05:06

Yes.

Posted by: Farmer at August 20, 2018 05:41 PM (yJ1e6)

500 Poor #NeverTrumpers.

They used to be important. Now they are reduced to being pseudo-Republican Pomeranians, circling and yipping, trying to bite President Trump's ankles, a nattering pack of insufferable sissies

Posted by: TANSTAAFL at August 20, 2018 05:44 PM (T09ml)

501 One side of my property in Appomattox occupies the top of a hill with a 300' bluff overlooking the James River and a (then) important river crossing. I can't help but think it would have been an important observation point during the war. I'm going to hunt around the top of the hill with a metal detector sometime.

Posted by: Weasel at August 20, 2018 05:47 PM (MVjcR)

502 Grant was a terrible corrupt POTU
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if I recall my history lessons...grant was expected to be a terrible, corrupt POTUS...but he shocked everyone by not being that.
Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at August 20, 2018 05:06 PM (GoLZO)

I'll admit that it may be possible my Southern Education was bias against him.
Posted by: your neighbor with a telescope at August 20, 2018 05:08

I don't think it was Grant that was corrupt, but much like Harding many of those around him were.

Posted by: Farmer at August 20, 2018 05:47 PM (yJ1e6)

503 now, if Mr Horowitz could see his way toward rehabilitating Diana West . . .

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at August 20, 2018 05:47 PM (CrPLf)

504 I consider Ulysses S. Grant to be a superior strategist. Sherman's march was the longest flanking maneuver in military history.

Hardly a maneuver from a "plodder"

Posted by: TANSTAAFL at August 20, 2018 05:49 PM (T09ml)

505 what Farmer said. Reconstruction was mishandled but Grant wasn't the one to blame for that. mostly you can blame a fanatical Congress (Republican) and rebellious southern local governments (Democrat).

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at August 20, 2018 05:50 PM (CrPLf)

506 Grant's editor: Twain, of course.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at August 20, 2018

+++++

And if you haven't read it, is a superior work.

Posted by: TANSTAAFL at August 20, 2018 05:51 PM (T09ml)

507 illiniwek: "https://youtu.be/4YtzgA310t0?t=323"

Excellent VDH link. VDH reads well; that luncheon speech was superior.

There's just so much packed into it and it seems spot on. Really, really good and with a semblance of a roadmap. My only disagreement would be that getting the right people in office would be sufficient, and on that I'm with Mark Levin. The Republic is structurally damaged with a practicing Constitution that has been grossly rewritten to a behemoth of muck. Without using the States to override that which has been abused by decades of Congressional sloth and Judicial tyranny, just more, better Rs in the Legislature will still fail.

But on all things Trump, VDH gets it like very few of the chattering people do.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at August 20, 2018 05:52 PM (6eEQ+)

508 "I felt a degree of relief scarcely ever equaled since. Vicksburg was not yet taken it is true, nor were its defenders demoralized by any of our previous moves. I was now in the enemy's country, with a vast river and the stronghold of Vicksburg between me and my base of supplies. But I was on dry ground on the same side of the river with the enemy."

-Ulysses S. Grant.

Posted by: TANSTAAFL at August 20, 2018 05:57 PM (T09ml)

509 Does national review still exist?

Posted by: jihadi at August 20, 2018 06:18 PM (blf2l)

510 For that back muscle issue:

https://www.artofmanliness.com/articles/rehab-muscle-strains-tears/

You are supposed to start the protocol immediately after the tear.

Posted by: Sunflower at August 20, 2018 06:20 PM (nHY+3)

511 Care about something Jonah Goldberg tweets?

Nah.

I generally ignore intellectual eunuchs.

Posted by: budman at August 20, 2018 06:40 PM (cRwSI)

512 The cuck cruise emoji's crack me up.

Kind of like a long time caller into Rush just saying "mega-dittos" instead of getting all slobbery.

Bravo, Ace!

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at August 20, 2018 06:47 PM (UsCnO)

513 Did FDR complain about Patton's character when he was killing Nazis? Neither will I give a damn about Trump's character as he dismantles Obama's legacy and takes on the Deep State.

Posted by: PaddyO' at August 20, 2018 07:57 PM (Bbw58)

514 #382, Grant was hardly a plodder in the run up to Vicksburg. But the Army of the Potomac, still commanded by Meade with Meade's corps commanders
mostly, was a big blunt instrument with the speed of a glacier but the crushing ability of the same. Grant used that. Mass against Lee's dash? Game over.

Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at August 20, 2018 11:38 PM (2kD+f)

515 "Trying to think of the various pathologies leading to never-trumpism"
I'll have you know that Geldberg recently took on no less than one J. Falwell Jr. And won convincingly. He - if I may call him he - managed to slip both 'anal' and 'ass' into a Geo. Washington reference, thus restoring constitutional ethics in under 140 characters.

On Twitter, no less to the delight of whole tens of Patriots. It pays not to be the son of a preacher man, nosiree.

And if that doesn't speak volumes, sir, nothing ever shall.

Posted by: Ten at August 21, 2018 01:14 AM (Xlssn)

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