Much-Hyped Summit Ends With Vague Promises of Denuclearization by North Korea, and Vague Promises of Security Guarantees by the US

I would say that nothing much has been gained -- which is what I expected to happen -- but nothing much has been given away, either -- which is what I feared could happen.

Nearly five hours of unprecedented and surreal talks between US President Donald Trump and North Korea's Kim Jong Un culminated on Tuesday with fulsome declarations of a new friendship but just vague pledges of nuclear disarmament.
For Trump, that amounted to a triumphant outcome in his extraordinary gamble with the rogue kingdom's despotic leader. But there were scant details on what new commitments had been secured from Kim, even as Trump announced he would end the regular military exercises the US conducts with South Korea.
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"We both want to do something. We both are going to do something. And we have developed a very special bond," Trump said at the conclusion of the landmark summit. "People are going to be very impressed. People are going to be very happy."
The document he and Kim signed said the North Korean leader "reaffirmed his firm and unwavering commitment to complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula." In exchange, Trump agreed to "provide security guarantees" to North Korea.
But there was no mentioning the previous US aim of "complete, verifiable and irreversible denuclearization." And Kim's commitments did not appear to go beyond what he already pledged to do in April when he met South Korean President Moon Jae-in along their countries' border.
Trump insisted during a news conference the agreement went further than many people expected. But he acknowledged the effort to rid North Korea of its nuclear arsenal was in its early stages.

It's at best a first step, and a fairly easy first step, which gives little reassurance that the more difficult second, third, and fourth steps will be undertaken.

I'll have more -- especially about the bellicose I'm-such-a-tough-guy posturing of the never-learning, NeverTrumper necons -- later, but I wanted to get this up.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 12:40 PM

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1 Gotta start somewhere

Posted by: Malcolm Tex at June 12, 2018 12:42 PM (GSJcT)

2 FIRSTEST!!!!

Posted by: Malcolm Tex at June 12, 2018 12:42 PM (GSJcT)

3 As always, time will tell.

Posted by: jim at June 12, 2018 12:42 PM (gjGvH)

4 Hey, this didn't include Wendy Sherman's negotiation expertise, so it's already #Winning!

Posted by: Lizzy at June 12, 2018 12:42 PM (W+vEI)

5 How is the beginning of a full denuclearization a nothing much gained step?

Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at June 12, 2018 12:43 PM (+dsLj)

6 NO GAIIINNNNZZZZZ BRAH!

Such a negative Nancy....

Posted by: Tami at June 12, 2018 12:43 PM (Enq6K)

7 And no paid bribes like Clinton and Obama did.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 12, 2018 12:44 PM (mpXpK)

8 Complete denuclearization was always a fantasy--once that cat is out of the bag, it's not going back in.

The best outcome to establish good relations and pull the Norks out of China's grasp, as well as to restrict their export of nuclear technology.

I am optimistic it can work out well, but Kim is not completely giving up his nukes.

Posted by: chinese rock at June 12, 2018 12:44 PM (v6UKb)

9 Kim has agreed to take in the DACA people.

The wins keep coming!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 12, 2018 12:44 PM (4ErVI)

10 Sometimes you have to go to war with the general you have, Not the general you want.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at June 12, 2018 12:44 PM (DX0t/)

11 They said lots of things, including the fact they would be willing to denuke. We have one of their great people here today that they were willing to denuke. Once that started we have been really talking about that from the end of the olympics when the delegation came to say various things including denuking.

Posted by: Old Man With Onion on His Belt at June 12, 2018 12:44 PM (VvjLK)

12 "'ll have more -- especially about the bellicose I'm-such-a-tough-guy posturing of the never-learning, NeverTrumper necons..."

I glanced through this sentence, and my brain substituted "morons" for "neocons". Do I need to increase my font size, stop rushing through content to comment, or appreciate my brain's real-time commentary translation?

Posted by: Grimaldi at June 12, 2018 12:45 PM (LpV0I)

13 Willowed:

Ya know... I've tried to defend Shapiro as a rational, principled (and wrong) opponent of Trump.

But I'm getting sick of it. He's really making it tough

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Shapiro isnt worth it, anytime you see him apparently giving some credit to Trump in a grudging way, he then immediately retweets a fake news item bashing Trump like its straight up fact. His actions are completely inconsistent and irrational, pointlessly attacking our side and allies like Candace Owens over the stupidest pettiest things, and then attempting to balance that with an occasional conservative talking point. We dont need his ilk poisoning our well.

Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at June 12, 2018 12:45 PM (+dsLj)

14 Trump's problem is that he didn't offer them any pallets of cash. I find that very effective in getting people to reach an agreement with me. Well that and having absolutely no verification. That's really important.

I don't expect someone who's not as smart as me to understand that.

Posted by: Barry O at June 12, 2018 12:45 PM (Etg1+)

15 Like I said, we gave up little, but did manage some gains for the effort. It's a net plus, maybe not world-changing, but a solid start.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at June 12, 2018 12:45 PM (AM1GF)

16 GOOD LORD, got 3 Hostages back, Shutting down sites & nothing was Gained. UMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Posted by: Internet Tough Guy at June 12, 2018 12:45 PM (y3aQB)

17 It's more than we had in the past.

Posted by: MAGA at June 12, 2018 12:45 PM (LnOh3)

18 The NeverTrumpers are amazingly certain of their moral and intellectual superiority.

Especially surprising given how little they've accomplished in life. You'd think a sense of humility would kick in at some point, almost for ego preservation reasons if nothing else. The embarrassment of being so consistently wrong over an extended time would mortify a normal human.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, coffee drinker at June 12, 2018 12:45 PM (LISuA)

19 Trump said it would be a first step. Or is Ace goofing on us?

Posted by: Caliban at June 12, 2018 12:45 PM (QE8X6)

20 It ALSO didn't include anything this, so moar #Winning:

https://twitter.com/almostjingo/status/1006469676191240192

*Bonus points if you can ID Maddie brooch - you know how fond she was of "brooch diplomacy"

Posted by: Lizzy at June 12, 2018 12:46 PM (W+vEI)

21 It took 2 years to get Reagan's Russian missile ban.

Take a chill pill, Ace. Its a marathon, not a sprint.

Posted by: socalcon at June 12, 2018 12:46 PM (d+1rJ)

22 To quote a far greater man than most....

"Now this is not the end.

It is not even the beginning of the end.

But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning."

Posted by: Kreplach at June 12, 2018 12:46 PM (2JcMg)

23 Exploit their natural resources and plump up their young women.

Posted by: Under Fire at June 12, 2018 12:46 PM (r9UYA)

24 Trump should have said #KoreanLivesMatter in his tweets, just to troll the left.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, coffee drinker at June 12, 2018 12:47 PM (LISuA)

25 I am optimistic it can work out well, but Kim is not completely giving up his nukes.

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Except that Kim never had nukes. He tried to build them and then a mountain caved in on his program, almost as if God was saying I really just about had enough of your shit, and then for irony He sends Trump in to negotiate a deal.

Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at June 12, 2018 12:47 PM (+dsLj)

26 STUPID TRUMPS GONNA GET US ALL NUKED...
er...
STUPID TRUMP GAVE AWAY THE FARM

Posted by: CNN at June 12, 2018 12:48 PM (HgMAr)

27 25

Posted by: eleven at June 12, 2018 12:48 PM (+lOpA)

28 Eh, it'll do for a start. More of a good PR run than a treaty meet, but t'will do, t'will do. Trump gained great face in Asia from making the deal happen and dominating the agenda. Singapore gained face by hosting the summit and getting recognition for it. ROK gained face by going along for the ride. PDRK didn't lose face by attending, which I guess is a win for them. PRC did lose face because this was not a Beijing summit and Whoa! Fat made decisions without their express permission. Yeah, we did good.

Posted by: exdem13 at June 12, 2018 12:48 PM (W+kMI)

29
NO GAIIINNNNZZZZZ BRAH!
Such a negative Nancy....

Posted by: Tami at June 12, 2018 12:43 PM (Enq6K)

We got a stool sample

Posted by: Bob from NSA at June 12, 2018 12:48 PM (10vO4)

30 Oh boy ... Ace said NeoCon.

COBs ain't gonna' et that shit slide.

Posted by: ScoggDog at June 12, 2018 12:48 PM (xn335)

31 "I am optimistic it can work out well, but Kim is not completely giving up his nukes."

I'm not so sure. The nukes were the goal of his father, and as he said, some parts of his nation's past have constrained him. What if he had a nuke? Would the world suddenly drop sanctions, grant full recognition, etc? I don't think so. If you can get your primary goals met through other means (security, economy and diplomatic through a deal with the US), why not?

Posted by: Grimaldi at June 12, 2018 12:48 PM (LpV0I)

32 Getting MIA remains back is also a big deal

Posted by: GregV61 at June 12, 2018 12:48 PM (+5nuR)

33 I wouldn't say it's the end of the beginning. It's more like the beginning slash middle of beginning. Maybe 12% of the way through the beginning. Plus or minus 1%.

Posted by: pep at June 12, 2018 12:48 PM (Etg1+)

34 Those who are mightily disappointed by the results of the summit were clearly not paying attention to what Trump was actually saying.

He clearly said, multiple times, that this may or may not produce anything, and that it was if anything the beginning of the negotiation process.

It wasn't as if Kim was going to come out of the summit and immediately apply for US statehood or anything ridiculous like that, but that seems to be what some people had worked themselves up into expecting.

This was a beginning. Only a beginning.

Posted by: filbert at June 12, 2018 12:48 PM (953wK)

35 Gotta start somewhere.

And this is a start.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 12:48 PM (+CzJu)

36 The link goes to CNN and of course they've been downplaying it from the beginning.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 12, 2018 12:48 PM (4ErVI)

37 Maybe someone could help here. What was expected in this case? What would the realistic expected victory have looked like and what would a bad result have been? I really don't know at this point.

Posted by: Quint at June 12, 2018 12:49 PM (n13/j)

38 perhaps, the end of the beginning."

Posted by: Kreplach

that sounds about right.

Posted by: jd at June 12, 2018 12:49 PM (+evAm)

39 ace has, since turning from #nt, always held that Trump was going to flip and screw us all. It is the thing that he fears.

This was the one he was really afraid of, that Trump was going to go do a Clinton in Korea.

Except he didn't.

Kim did not offer mere promises of destroying capabilities - he actually did so. Did he bulldoze something that wasn't useful to him anyway?

Perhaps. But in the past, we would not have gotten even that.

Posted by: blaster at June 12, 2018 12:49 PM (Z5y53)

40 A journey of a thousand miles...

Will take you past several buc-ees...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 12, 2018 12:49 PM (7LY+6)

41 9 Kim has agreed to take in the DACA people.

The wins keep coming!
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 12, 2018 12:44 PM (4ErVI)

We should throw in the liberals while we're at it.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 12:49 PM (+CzJu)

42 Can Cnn be trusted?

Trump's 'special bond' with North Korea Kim is reminiscent of George W's meeting with Putin where Bush returned and said, "I looked into his soul."

Trump met Kim. They talked. No one walked out angry. Apparently, neither leader made threats. Given the propaganda from North Korea for the last seventy years, this is progress.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at June 12, 2018 12:49 PM (roQNm)

43 I glanced through this sentence, and my brain substituted "morons" for "neocons". Do I need to increase my font size, stop rushing through content to comment, or appreciate my brain's real-time commentary translation?
Posted by: Grimaldi at June 12, 2018 12:45 PM (LpV0I)

Healing power of and.

Re: The NeverTrump OMG THE FLAGS SHOULDN'T EVER BE TOUCHING AND THEY SHOULDN'T BE THE SAME HEIGHT REEEE REEEE REEE REEEE REEEE red ass baboon showing, yeah, you get yammering out your pie holes and I will keep noting who you really are as a person.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at June 12, 2018 12:49 PM (mf5HN)

44 ace can be so eeyore sometimes.

Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at June 12, 2018 12:49 PM (+dsLj)

45 I think there's a real difference-in-kind between this "peace process" and the ones that preceded it over the past decades.

Then, we gave away the store for a meeting, and let them get away with reneging on their end of the deal every single time.

This time, it was the threat of annihilation that brought them to the table, and we emphatically stated that our end of the deal (lifting sancions, security guarantees, etc.) will NOT occur until AFTER they comply to our satisfaction.

And Trump has proven already that he's willing to walk away from the table.

So yes, too soon to celebrate a complete victory, but it's not too soon to celebrate the progress that has been made.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 12, 2018 12:49 PM (AURKQ)

46 sure it's early, and sure there's not a lot of specifics yet, but rome wasn't burned in a day...

Posted by: SturmToddler at June 12, 2018 12:50 PM (8D42x)

47 Trump did pretty good, but if we wait for the Lamestream Media to acknowledge it men will walk on Mars first.

Posted by: exdem13 at June 12, 2018 12:50 PM (W+kMI)

48 This was a first step.
It is theater.
Never expect much from the first step except awesome photo ops, and perhaps the leaders to meet each other and get a sense of trust.
All in all, an historic moment for PDT.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 12, 2018 12:50 PM (0tfLf)

49 Eh, I'm going to trust that trump knows what he is doing here. He has surprised me many times when I have doubted him in the past.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 12, 2018 12:50 PM (Bnl22)

50 We should throw in the liberals while we're at it.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 12:49 PM (+CzJu)

I'm sure Kim would be delighted to host CNN headquarters in Pyongyang.

Posted by: filbert at June 12, 2018 12:50 PM (953wK)

51 Trump actually accomplish some very important things at this meeting. He demonstrated that he was not like his predecessors, willing to just bend over and do anything so that he could claim success. Much of the heavy lifting is going to involve disabusing the Norks the notion that they can play him like they played Obama and Bush and Clinton

Posted by: pep at June 12, 2018 12:50 PM (Etg1+)

52 Maybe 12% of "

That's hardly a plan...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 12, 2018 12:50 PM (7LY+6)

53 Why does SK not have nukes?

Because we do.

NK won't need nukes either if they are under our umbrella.

Posted by: blaster at June 12, 2018 12:50 PM (Z5y53)

54 I don't agree that we got nothing, or very very little. I think there is a lot going on behind the scenes, and this visit was a preview of coming attractions.

What? You expected the NORKS to burst out singing the Star Spangled Banner, sans kneeling?

Posted by: grammie winger at June 12, 2018 12:50 PM (lwiT4)

55 28 Eh, it'll do for a start. More of a good PR run than a treaty meet, but t'will do, t'will do. Trump gained great face in Asia from making the deal happen and dominating the agenda. Singapore gained face by hosting the summit and getting recognition for it. ROK gained face by going along for the ride. PDRK didn't lose face by attending, which I guess is a win for them. PRC did lose face because this was not a Beijing summit and Whoa! Fat made decisions without their express permission. Yeah, we did good.
Posted by: exdem13 at June 12, 2018 12:48 PM (W+kMI)

And the G-6 lost face, big time.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 12:51 PM (+CzJu)

56 As long as we haven't given up anything, and the pressure on China continues.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 12, 2018 12:51 PM (yQpMk)

57 I just finished a biography on Queen Elizabeth I and Cecil's advice to the Queen: "Pray for peace, but be prepared for war." Nothing ever changes.

Posted by: Jmel at June 12, 2018 12:51 PM (L4ZDM)

58 ace can be so eeyore sometimes.
Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at June 12, 2018 12:49 PM (+dsLj)

At least he's *good* at it.

Posted by: filbert at June 12, 2018 12:51 PM (953wK)

59 36 The link goes to CNN and of course they've been downplaying it from the beginning.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 12, 2018 12:48 PM (4ErVI)

ace's shelves fell on his head overnight....

Posted by: Tami at June 12, 2018 12:51 PM (Enq6K)

60 Anyone catch Ben Shapiro on Fox and Friends this morning?

Ugh.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 12, 2018 12:51 PM (ptqGC)

61 7 And no paid bribes like Clinton and Obama did.
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That makes it a good meet right there.

Posted by: exdem13 at June 12, 2018 12:51 PM (W+kMI)

62 NK won't need nukes either if they are under our umbrella.

Posted by: blaster at June 12, 2018 12:50 PM (Z5y53)

I don't own an umbrella.

Posted by: ScoggDog at June 12, 2018 12:51 PM (xn335)

63 Checking back in...

The door is opening. I think it will be a net positive, and the job isn't even close to finished yet, but it's a better place than we've been for a long time.

I figure even the most tyrannical dictator has to look at the state of his country in honest terms and, in his heart of hearts, realize that it's a shithole. Does KJU want to be known as the Dear Leader of a shithole....or perhaps something more?

There may be something driving this that we can't immediately see, but perhaps they are opening up.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at June 12, 2018 12:52 PM (eytER)

64 If Trump would have upped his ante to a Five Guys in Pyongyang we would have gotten somewhere . .

Posted by: FireNWater at June 12, 2018 12:52 PM (S4rpa)

65 Kim has agreed to take in the DACA people.

The wins keep coming!
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis
..............
DACA "kids" announce they are returning to Guatemala en masse...

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 12, 2018 12:52 PM (5tSKk)

66 Trump wins round one by allowing Kim to be seen winning. This is how you land the big ones.

Posted by: Gumby at June 12, 2018 12:52 PM (2LelM)

67 I am disappointed that Trump didn't have a real treaty set to go before he went there. It's not Like A Boss.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 12, 2018 12:52 PM (yQpMk)

68 ace's shelves fell on his head overnight....

Posted by: Tami at June 12, 2018 12:51 PM (Enq6K)

I thought he fell down the basement steps removing ~~a body~~ something heavy?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 12, 2018 12:52 PM (ptqGC)

69 And the G-6 lost face, big time.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 12:51 PM (+CzJu)

When, in the course of a single week, North Korea comes out looking more reasonable than the G6, I'd say the G6 pretty much crapped the bed.

Posted by: filbert at June 12, 2018 12:52 PM (953wK)

70 Trump tried to make Kim take TFG, but even Kim has limits.

Posted by: jim at June 12, 2018 12:52 PM (gjGvH)

71 >>And the G-6 lost face, big time.

and the final PDT thumb in their collective eye was suggesting Russia be re-admitted.

Posted by: Under Fire at June 12, 2018 12:52 PM (r9UYA)

72 I don't own an umbrella.===============

We only give umbrellas to Presidents who know how to operate them.

Posted by: grammie winger at June 12, 2018 12:53 PM (lwiT4)

73 "Trump's 'special bond' with North Korea Kim is reminiscent of George W's meeting with Putin where Bush returned and said, "I looked into his soul." "

This feels weird to type, but I trust Trump's judgement of people much more than Bush's, especially when dealing with less-than-savory characters.

Posted by: Grimaldi at June 12, 2018 12:53 PM (LpV0I)

74 64 If Trump would have upped his ante to a Five Guys in Pyongyang we would have gotten somewhere . .
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If you want world peace then its Chik-fil-a and Sonic for the win.

Posted by: Gumby at June 12, 2018 12:53 PM (2LelM)

75 One of the great things about this presidency is that it has finally persuaded conservatives to look askance at their own pundits and consider the possibility that they are by and large as full of shit as those on the left. Ben Shapiro is 34. A substantial part of his adult life has been spent in school. He has no particular expertise in much of anything. Has he ever negotiated a high stakes deal? I'm hard pressed to find any accomplishments that persuade me to go on listening to this twerp.

Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at June 12, 2018 12:53 PM (/8r1I)

76 Interesting that Abe and Kim (SK version) both went before cameras to applaud this...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 12, 2018 12:53 PM (7LY+6)

77 I know we were all thinking of Reagan/Gorbachev summit as the parallel, but this is wildly different.

Just having a first date and saying there will be a second date is probably a win, esp. if we didn't give away any pallets of cash or get a disease in the process.

Posted by: TexasDan at June 12, 2018 12:53 PM (yL25O)

78 I showed it to you because that is the future. That could very well be the future. The other alternative is not a good alternative. It is just not good. I showed it because I really want him to do something. I don't think I had to show it. I really believe he wants to get it done. Yes.

Posted by: Old Man With Onion on His Belt at June 12, 2018 12:53 PM (VvjLK)

79
NK won't need nukes either if they are under our umbrella.
Posted by: blaster

It's a good thing that we have infinite money.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 12, 2018 12:53 PM (IqV8l)

80 44 ace can be so eeyore sometimes.
Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at June 12, 2018 12:49 PM (+dsLj)

Yeah, really. After all, America wasn't subverted in a day.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 12:53 PM (+CzJu)

81 I suggest that we help Kim empty his labor camps.
To make room for our progs.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Ask Me About SMR & Ancient Slavonaut Theory at June 12, 2018 12:54 PM (fA1SL)

82 Grammie, did you Nutrageous yet?

Posted by: Gumby at June 12, 2018 12:54 PM (2LelM)

83 Actually, considering that the USAS and Norks are still technically AT WAR, and have not apologized for any military "incident" since 1953, this summit was a rousing success!

Posted by: exdem13 at June 12, 2018 12:54 PM (W+kMI)

84 NK won't need nukes either if they are under our umbrella.
Posted by: blaster

Yeah. Ask the Ukrainians how that shit works.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 12:54 PM (+CzJu)

85 "Anyone catch Ben Shapiro on Fox and Friends this morning?

Ugh.
Posted by: Jane D'oh"

Considering Little Ben was in diapers the last time we had major talks with NK in the 90's, he really needs to stop being so cocky about the best way to handle them.

Posted by: Benji Carver at June 12, 2018 12:54 PM (OD2ni)

86 47 Trump did pretty good, but if we wait for the Lamestream Media to acknowledge it ~~men~~ Martians will walk on ~~Mars~~ Earth first.
Posted by: exdem13 at June 12, 2018 12:50 PM (W+kMI)

(suggested edit)

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 12, 2018 12:54 PM (AURKQ)

87 Italy is ready to break with G-6 and they got a bigger economy than than the Nucks

Posted by: REDACTED at June 12, 2018 12:54 PM (iOL28)

88 33
I wouldn't say it's the end of the beginning. It's more like the
beginning slash middle of beginning. Maybe 12% of the way through the
beginning. Plus or minus 1%.

Posted by: pep at June 12, 2018 12:48 PM (Etg1+)

I thought there would be no math.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 12, 2018 12:54 PM (8iiMU)

89
I suggest that we help Kim empty his labor camps.

To make room for our progs.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Ask Me About SMR
Ancient Slavonaut Theory at June 12, 2018 12:54 PM (fA1SL)

Newsletter?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 12, 2018 12:55 PM (ptqGC)

90 old thinking

it's a new game dude

Posted by: nip at June 12, 2018 12:55 PM (ECLaL)

91 MSM wants to say this is abstract or inconsequential because we do not spell out the exact steps by which the four points will be realized. But we got plenty, and it's massively hypocritical to stab at Trump after having fawned over Barry and continuing to fawn over legislators who have no idea how to realize the authoritarian utopias described in their policy dreams.

1 and 2. "Peace and prosperity" and "lasting and stable" peninsula. Good foundation, I'd say that something, as opposed to "belligerence and famine" on at least one side of the table. Among countries that actually appreciate our help, a rising tide raises all boats. We establish trade, perhaps even a cooperative military partner in the region, big win for us.

3. Denuclearization. How is this not good and big? He said he'd do it, more than once, so he's a liar and burns all goodwill if he doesn't.

4. Repatriation of POW/MIA. Also a good thing, and specific enough to provide as something that we can do TODAY.

Regarding the lack of specificity of any one item, that's basically the same level of detail that most of our elected representatives include in their legislation. (Which is why the administrative state is so onerous - the proper authorities pass broad, flowery language but leave the implementation details to unelected bureaucrats with their own agendas.) So for MSM to criticize this is just a recycle of their galling but standard hypocrisy.

If Barry had done this we'd have all fainted and declared the rest of the week a national holiday. This is big, and we did get some important guarantees out of it.

And if KJU reneges on those guarantees, one thing this summit absolutely did not impact is the asymmetry of our respective militaries. We will pulverize the north end of the peninsula into lifeless dust if they do a 180 and act a fool.

But they're not going to. Famine and isolation suck and they know it. Make Koreas Korea Again.

Posted by: Not tired of winning at June 12, 2018 12:55 PM (wx6iv)

92 ace has, since turning from #nt, always held that Trump was going to flip and screw us all. It is the thing that he fears.

******************

To this day he gets Trumps persona wrong, believing his nationalism/conservatism is simply driven by a hostile media, and the second theyre nice to him hell go full leftist retard.

Except nobody who is exhibiting the passion Trump is showing here cannot possibly be due only to some reactive psychological response to a hostile media. Its clear to me that Trump genuinely loves America just as Reagan did, and everything he does stems from that.

Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at June 12, 2018 12:55 PM (+dsLj)

93 It's a good thing that we have infinite money.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 12, 2018 12:53 PM (IqV8l)

We kind of do - only kind of - but, yeah. Rich countries can do stuff poor ones can't.

But it doesn't cost one extra cent to put someone under our nuclear umbrella.

And if we spend less in Korea, well, net net, that's to the good.

Posted by: blaster at June 12, 2018 12:55 PM (Z5y53)

94 I thought he fell down the basement steps removing a body something heavy?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 12, 2018 12:52 PM (ptqGC)

I was actually surprised to learn ace had a basement.

Posted by: Tami at June 12, 2018 12:56 PM (Enq6K)

95 Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Ask Me About SMR
Ancient Slavonaut Theory at June 12, 2018 12:54 PM (fA1SL)
----
That would be unadulterated justice.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 12, 2018 12:56 PM (AzW6q)

96 The usual suspects are throwing such fits that it makes me wonder if the status quo benefited globalists financially in some way.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at June 12, 2018 12:56 PM (4TznP)

97

This is the Fake News' take, too.

Posted by: Soothi at June 12, 2018 12:56 PM (s6l8t)

98 It's a good thing that we have infinite money.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 12, 2018 12:53 PM (IqV8l)

A few nuclear divisions have got to be at least comparable in cost to the forces we're maintaining in ROK now, right?

(that's an honest question, I really don't know)

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 12, 2018 12:56 PM (AURKQ)

99 Trump gained great face in Asia from making the deal happen and dominating the agenda. Singapore gained face by hosting the summit and getting recognition for it. ROK gained face by going along for the ride. PDRK didn't lose face by attending, which I guess is a win for them. PRC did lose face because this was not a Beijing summit and Whoa! Fat made decisions without their express permission. Yeah, we did good.

Posted by: exdem13 at June 12, 2018 12:48 PM (W+kMI)

There's a lot to be said for this point. I don't know that you can understate exactly how important the "face" aspect is to the general culture over there.

I would be mildly concerned with China now that they have to save face.

Posted by: SturmToddler at June 12, 2018 12:56 PM (8D42x)

100 hey at least those challenge coins the WH pressed won't be worthless

Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at June 12, 2018 12:56 PM (RKQ/v)

101 "One of the great things about this presidency is that it has finally persuaded conservatives to look askance at their own pundits and consider the possibility that they are by and large as full of shit as those on the left."

No, no- conservative thinkers like David Brooks and David Frum agree Trump's election signals the end of meritocracy!

Posted by: Grimaldi at June 12, 2018 12:57 PM (LpV0I)

102 73 "Trump's 'special bond' with North Korea Kim is reminiscent of George W's meeting with Putin where Bush returned and said, "I looked into his soul." "

This feels weird to type, but I trust Trump's judgement of people much more than Bush's, especially when dealing with less-than-savory characters.

Posted by: Grimaldi at June 12, 2018 12:53 PM (LpV0I)

Trump's dealt with wretched scum in that hive of villainy called NYC.

He's dealt with made member of the mafia. If you wanted something built in NYC in the 1980s, you dealt with the mafia. Probably in the 1970s and 1990s too. Also garbage collection was mafia controlled. It still is today except the mobsters who directly controlled it before got chased out so what they did is handed it over to family members. So the wife or kid has the name on the paperwork while the goon still runs the business.

Regardless, Trump has dealt with his fair share of thugs and cheats. The only difference here is that Kim controls a country and has an army.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 12, 2018 12:57 PM (4ErVI)

103 69 And the G-6 lost face, big time.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 12:51 PM (+CzJu)

When, in the course of a single week, North Korea comes out looking more reasonable than the G6, I'd say the G6 pretty much crapped the bed.
Posted by: filbert at June 12, 2018 12:52 PM (953wK)

Yep.

Consider how Trump left the G-6: "Yeah, right, good, whatever. Look, I got important shit to do, so talk amongst yourselves. I'm out."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 12:57 PM (+CzJu)

104 Trump should force Kim to take all of the Hollywood leftard imbeciles and introduce them to their dream of socialist paradise. Start with Asslick Baldwin.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 12, 2018 12:57 PM (o2MD2)

105 Last night, Max Boot denounced the summit as something "any president could have done."

https://tinyurl.com/y7l88zc9

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 12, 2018 12:57 PM (ptqGC)

106 "This feels weird to type, but I trust Trump's judgement of people much more than Bush's, especially when dealing with less-than-savory characters.
Posted by: Grimald"

I trusted Obama's judgment since it was consistently bad. He liked to reward people who hated us (Iran and Castro) and punish people who tried to cooperate with us (Quadaffi and Mubarak).

Posted by: Benji Carver at June 12, 2018 12:57 PM (OD2ni)

107 NorthKoreagate! Collusion! Call in Mueller!

Posted by: CNN at June 12, 2018 12:57 PM (O2RFr)

108 Yeah. Ask the Ukrainians how that shit works.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 12:54 PM (+CzJu)

That's not a fair argument.

You know how inept Obama was with umbrellas.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 12, 2018 12:57 PM (AURKQ)

109
A few nuclear divisions have got to be at least comparable in cost to the forces we're maintaining in ROK now, right?

Nuclear divisions ?

Posted by: Bob from NSA at June 12, 2018 12:58 PM (10vO4)

110 Saw a comment over at ZH that basically sums it up for me... "OMG... after only 8 hours, Trump didn't get Kim to crawl on his belly and offer complete surrender?!?! Oh no, the summit is a #MassiveFail... /sarc"

People need to fucking chill and let this play out over the next few weeks / months... This is a very important first step, and I think Trump is savvy enough to not get played... Pretty sure he'll follow the Reagan doctrine of "Trust but Verify"...

And to all those complaining about the silence around Human Rights conditions in NK... Bunch of fucking idiots.. The best chance for improved human rights is for NK to make peace with SK, let in western commerce and then modernize. Making this an issue now would de-rail the entire thing, before it even gets started...

Posted by: I smell something rotten at June 12, 2018 12:58 PM (iWzUm)

111 A journey of a thousand miles...

Will take you past several buc-ees...
Posted by: Anon a mouse

"Next Buc-ee's in 473 miles. You can hold it!"

Posted by: rickb223 at June 12, 2018 12:58 PM (9uM86)

112 59 36 The link goes to CNN and of course they've been downplaying it from the beginning.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 12, 2018 12:48 PM (4ErVI)

ace's shelves fell on his head overnight....
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ace is tired, not drinking enough coffee, and forgetting that CNN wouldn't praise Donaldus Maximus for ANYTHING since they are biased fake news mongers who are STILL butthurt that he called them out on it.

Posted by: exdem13 at June 12, 2018 12:58 PM (W+kMI)

113 I suggest that we help Kim empty his labor camps.

To make room for our progs.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Ask Me About SMR
Ancient Slavonaut Theory at June 12, 2018 12:54 PM (fA1SL)

Let's see:
1. Tired... check
2. Poor... check
3. Huddled masses... check and check
4. Yearning to be free... I think if we can get some confirmation on this one, we're a go.

We don't want anything like the muzzie invastion, where that whole "yearning to be free"thing was out of the question.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 12, 2018 12:58 PM (9chmE)

114 Will Dennis Rodman get the Nobel Peace Prize? Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Central Scrutinizer at June 12, 2018 12:58 PM (vI+F1)

115 105 Last night, Max Boot denounced the summit as something "any president could have done."

https://tinyurl.com/y7l88zc9

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 12, 2018 12:57 PM (ptqGC)

Because Yeb! or Hillary would've gone right over there. Riiigghhhttt.

What an asshat.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 12, 2018 12:58 PM (4ErVI)

116 There's a lot to be said for this point"

Indeed. I'm guessing that most here, including our beloved ewok, don't understand the meaning behind every step...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 12, 2018 12:58 PM (7LY+6)

117 93 It's a good thing that we have infinite money.
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Hat tip - Trump is gonna use South Korea's money. He knows how to play with other people's money. He also knows America will get a slice of the business paid for by South Korea. Win-Win-Win.

Posted by: Gumby at June 12, 2018 12:58 PM (2LelM)

118 This is blatant collusion between Trump and Kim to get Trump elected in 2020. Imagine how many states Trump will win is Korea is de-nuked.

THIS is an impeachable offense.

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at June 12, 2018 12:59 PM (PNcou)

119 OMG THE FLAGS SHOULDN'T EVER BE TOUCHING AND THEY SHOULDN'T BE THE SAME HEIGHT REEEE REEEE REEE REEEE REEEE

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at June 12, 2018 12:49 PM (mf5HN)
............

You looking for work?

Posted by: CNN at June 12, 2018 12:59 PM (HgMAr)

120 History was made last night for certain.

MiL update. Out of surgery and short-term prognosis is positive. Rresponsive to commands and no anesthesia complications.

Surgeon says growth was uncharacteristic of a glioblastoma, an agressive malignant class of tumor. This looked more like an arterial venous malformation, a jumble of blood vessels, which started bleeding, and which would most likely be a benign growth with more positive, long-term prognosis. Testing will affirm the preliminary diagnosis in about about two weeks.

Breathing tube removed, response and coherence improved drastically.

Will be out of ICU, with continued positive developments, soon.

That may sound like a lot of negative info, but rest assured it is a wealth of unexpected positive news, considering all that was at stake and brain surgery to remove a still potentially malignant mass.

Prognosis changes from year or less to indeterminate, if the AVM diagnosis holds.

Thank you, thank you, thank you, for your prayers and well-wishes.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 12, 2018 12:59 PM (c5gtg)

121 There are only two countries that the North Koreans have a legitimate military/security concern about:

China, and South Korea.

South Korea is relatively (emphasis on *relatively*) manageable by the US, China less so, but still possibly manageable.

One wonders against whom the Norks are asking the US to guarantee their security against.

Posted by: filbert at June 12, 2018 12:59 PM (953wK)

122 talking is better than huge joint military exercises, keeping a large military presence on the DMZ, firing missiles over Japan and digging a new nuc test site (the old one collapsed on itself, somehow (serendipity?))
my hope: lefties get seriously hurt by the whiplash of their position change on NorK.

Posted by: TANSTAASFL at June 12, 2018 12:59 PM (Wa5hI)

123 I shall reference something His Furriness referenced.

Mr. Blonde: Either he's alive or he's dead, or the cops got him... or they don't.

This overture either means something or it doesn't. It will lead to something, or it won't.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 12, 2018 12:59 PM (fuK7c)

124 I was actually surprised to learn ace had a basement.

Posted by: Tami at June 12, 2018 12:56 PM (Enq6K)

Well, duh, where do you think he keeps the women he kidnaps? On the main floor?

That is just not done.

Posted by: blaster at June 12, 2018 12:59 PM (Z5y53)

125 For Trump, that amounted to a triumphant outcome in his extraordinary gamble with the rogue kingdom's despotic leader. But there were scant details on details of the Obama jokes.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 12, 2018 12:59 PM (8n0ul)

126 Except nobody who is exhibiting the passion Trump is showing here cannot possibly be due only to some reactive psychological response to a hostile media. Its clear to me that Trump genuinely loves America just as Reagan did, and everything he does stems from that.

Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at June 12, 2018 12:55 PM (+dsLj)

Exactly my take.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 12:59 PM (+CzJu)

127 Last night, Max Boot denounced the summit as something "any president could have done."

But yet, none did.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 12, 2018 12:59 PM (9uM86)

128

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at June 12, 2018 01:00 PM (pYqXv)

129 Testing will affirm the preliminary diagnosis in about about two weeks.

Oops, not #twoweeks, but Th or F.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 12, 2018 01:00 PM (c5gtg)

130 111 A journey of a thousand miles...

Will take you past several buc-ees...
Posted by: Anon a mouse

"Next Buc-ee's in 473 miles. You can hold it!"

Posted by: rickb223 at June 12, 2018 12:58 PM (9uM86)

Anyone remember Stuckey's? It might have been a midwestern thing, but my sister and I hated seeing those places when we went on family vacations in the 1970s and early 1980s. They had restaurants that I remember as being awful.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 12, 2018 01:00 PM (4ErVI)

131 OMG THE FLAGS SHOULDN'T EVER BE TOUCHING AND THEY SHOULDN'T BE THE SAME HEIGHT REEEE REEEE REEE REEEE REEEE

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at June 12, 2018 12:49 PM (mf5HN)

Yeah, Ben Shapiro's hair was on fire this morning. "What if they'd been Nazi flags????!!!!!"

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 12, 2018 01:00 PM (ptqGC)

132 RB Pundit is a Never Trumper on Twitter but he had a good point about all the whining about handing Kim Jung Un a "propgagnda victory." Who will would be fooled by this so-called propaganda? People inside NK don't need it and nobody outide NK would be fooled anyway.

Posted by: Benji Carver at June 12, 2018 01:00 PM (OD2ni)

133 And to all those complaining about the silence around Human Rights conditions in NK... Bunch of fucking idiots..

*********************

Trump said this was a first step. Pompeo said this was a first step, Bolton said this was a first step Rodman said this was a first step. The fucking Easter Bunny said this was a first step. And yet some are acting like this is the only summit or agreement that will ever take place.

Does no one understand diplomacy?

Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at June 12, 2018 01:00 PM (+dsLj)

134 Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 12, 2018 12:59 PM (c5gtg)
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Not great news, but good on the whole. Best of luck.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 12, 2018 01:00 PM (AzW6q)

135 105 Last night, Max Boot denounced the summit as something "any president could have done."

https://tinyurl.com/y7l88zc9
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 12, 2018 12:57 PM (ptqGC)

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And Hillary! could have done it backwards in Heels

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at June 12, 2018 01:00 PM (PNcou)

136 Last night, Max Boot denounced the summit as something "any president could have done."

https://tinyurl.com/y7l88zc9

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 12, 2018 12:57 PM (ptqGC)

Sounds like the only book I read by him. Anyone could have written it. Nothing learned.

Posted by: Quint at June 12, 2018 01:00 PM (n13/j)

137 http://bit.ly/2MmRgBw
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Trump Shows Kim a Video Laying Out the Stakes of Summit

Posted by: Internet Tough Guy at June 12, 2018 01:01 PM (y3aQB)

138 Prognosis changes from year or less to indeterminate, if the AVM diagnosis holds.

Thank you, thank you, thank you, for your prayers and well-wishes.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 12, 2018 12:59 PM (c5gtg)

Great news flounder...and I hope for continued great news!

Posted by: Tami at June 12, 2018 01:01 PM (Enq6K)

139 Honestly I love this approach to foreign policy.

Why be great friends and have special relationships with Canada or Germany or France when all they do is take our stuff then insult us?

Stick with the good friends, dump the fake friends, make new friends. How is that not a great idea? You really think Canada or Germany are going to mess with us when they're suddenly eating at the loser lunch table of weird, socialist, sissy countries that once dreamed of commanding the helm of a Eurocentric globalist world order? You think they're really going to remain belligerent when NORTH KOREA is at the cool kids' table making fun of them with the rest of us? They'll stop being clowns or they'll become irrelevant.

I love this on so many levels. I hope we blow off our next big meeting with Macron to grab beers with Pierre Nkurunziza.

Posted by: Not tired of winning at June 12, 2018 01:01 PM (wx6iv)

140 "CNN wouldn't praise Donaldus Maximus for ANYTHING since they are biased fake news mongers who are STILL butthurt that he called them out on it."

Even if he resigned mid-term, the headline would be "Disgraced President Trump flees prosecution, betrays Americans that elected him!"

Posted by: Grimaldi at June 12, 2018 01:02 PM (LpV0I)

141 Thank you, thank you, thank you, for your prayers and well-wishes.
Posted by: flounder

Great news!

Posted by: rickb223 at June 12, 2018 01:02 PM (9uM86)

142 Hat tip - Trump is gonna use South Korea's money. He knows how to play with other people's money. He also knows America will get a slice of the business paid for by South Korea. Win-Win-Win.
Posted by: Gumby at June 12, 2018 12:58 PM (2LelM)

I think the second point is key: we addressed the problem, so we get our snouts in the trough along with South Korea.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 01:02 PM (+CzJu)

143 >>Trump should force Kim to take all of the Hollywood leftard imbeciles and introduce them to their dream of socialist paradise. Start with Asslick Baldwin.

I'm thinking he'll want to start with Seth Rogen and James Franco.

*I thought "The Interview" was funny

Posted by: Lizzy at June 12, 2018 01:02 PM (W+vEI)

144 One wonders against whom the Norks are asking the US to guarantee their security against.

Posted by: filbert at June 12, 2018 12:59 PM (953wK)

They don't need protection against SK - they want to reunify.

So, that just leaves...China.

Posted by: blaster at June 12, 2018 01:02 PM (Z5y53)

145 A few nuclear divisions have got to be at least comparable in cost to the forces we're maintaining in ROK now, right?

Nuclear divisions ?
Posted by: Bob from NSA at June 12, 2018 12:58 PM (10vO4)

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divisions composed of parents and their children?

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at June 12, 2018 01:02 PM (PNcou)

146
Posted by: Retard at June 12, 2018 12:56 PM (RKQ/v)

You know President Trump did well when the Trollosphere is spooked like this.

Posted by: Soothi at June 12, 2018 01:02 PM (s6l8t)

147 Suddenly I'm really getting the hots for Donald, don't tell Stormy

Posted by: Jennifer Rubin at June 12, 2018 01:02 PM (0hNQb)

148 Maybe if we really piss the Krauts, they'll start cooking people again. It's never their fault, ya know

Posted by: REDACTED at June 12, 2018 01:02 PM (iOL28)

149 I saw Belicose Necons open for Soundgarden at the Grand Ole Opry in '99.

Posted by: runner at June 12, 2018 01:02 PM (bUjCl)

150 Speaking of Ben Shapiro, how about all those nude selfies of his hot as fuck sister? Girl is stacked.

Posted by: mugiwara at June 12, 2018 01:03 PM (rSdfQ)

151 The journey of a thousand miles starts with just one step. In this case I think it was a 1000 steps.

But yeah, we all think that the NORKs will backtrack.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at June 12, 2018 01:03 PM (pw+jk)

152 If Trump got on well with the enemy, they have a "special bond", like bad guys. It they did not get on well, then Trump is a buffoon in over his head. Yeah, got it.

Posted by: Quint at June 12, 2018 01:03 PM (n13/j)

153 >> It's a good thing that we have infinite money.

We can always make Mexico pay for it.

Posted by: garrett at June 12, 2018 01:03 PM (ReI7m)

154 Anyone here want to bet Hillary has some poor aide trying to reach Kim's tailor?

"Get Kim's stylist on the phone, STAT, bitch! And order me an entire closet of those marvelous suits!"

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 12, 2018 01:03 PM (ptqGC)

155 One wonders against whom the Norks are asking the US to guarantee their security against.

Posted by: filbert

I'm thinking it's more KJU being protected from his people.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 12, 2018 01:03 PM (9uM86)

156 Last night, Max Boot denounced the summit as something "any president could have done."

https://tinyurl.com/y7l88zc9
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 12, 2018 12:57 PM (ptqGC)
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Then Why Mr. Boothole has no President Done so?

Posted by: Internet Tough Guy at June 12, 2018 01:03 PM (y3aQB)

157
Last night, Max Boot denounced the summit as something "any president could have done."
But yet, none did.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 12, 2018 12:59 PM (9uM86)

Because none were willing to back up the meeting with a credible threat of military force.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 12, 2018 01:03 PM (10vO4)

158 >>Speaking of Ben Shapiro, how about all those nude selfies of his hot as fuck sister?

How you gonna drop that without a link?

Posted by: garrett at June 12, 2018 01:03 PM (ReI7m)

159 would be mildly concerned with China now that they have to save face"

The next move is for them to "start" some aspect of further negotiations, thus gaining great respect...

And Stuckey's was awesome. Pecan rolls for everyone!

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 12, 2018 01:03 PM (7LY+6)

160 Well, duh, where do you think he keeps the women he kidnaps? On the main floor?

That is just not done.

Posted by: blaster at June 12, 2018 12:59 PM (Z5y53)

Then what are the shelves for?

Posted by: Tami at June 12, 2018 01:03 PM (Enq6K)

161 One wonders against whom the Norks are asking the US to guarantee their security against.

Posted by: filbert

Iran

Posted by: runner at June 12, 2018 01:03 PM (bUjCl)

162 Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner
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Very good news. Those surgeons are pretty good at eyeballing those things. I would expect the biopsy to confirm his observation.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 12, 2018 01:03 PM (8n0ul)

163 I think Trump has been saying all along that the meeting was only the first step.

Posted by: rickl at June 12, 2018 01:04 PM (xjiRE)

164 "Speaking of Ben Shapiro, how about all those nude selfies of his hot as fuck sister? Girl is stacked.
Posted by: mugiwara"

Um. Name? Link?

Posted by: Benji Carver at June 12, 2018 01:04 PM (OD2ni)

165 Except nobody who is exhibiting the passion Trump is showing here cannot possibly be due only to some reactive psychological response to a hostile media. Its clear to me that Trump genuinely loves America just as Reagan did, and everything he does stems from that.

Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at June 12, 2018 12:55 PM (+dsLj)

And EVEN IF that was the motivation....it ain't EVAR changing.

But that isn't the motivation. He means it.

Posted by: eleven at June 12, 2018 01:04 PM (+lOpA)

166 Who will would be fooled by this so-called propaganda? People inside NK don't need it and nobody outide NK would be fooled anyway.
Posted by: Benji Carver at June 12, 2018 01:00 PM (OD2ni)

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hold my camera

Posted by: This is CNN at June 12, 2018 01:04 PM (PNcou)

167 Then what are the shelves for?

Posted by: Tami at June 12, 2018 01:03 PM (Enq6K)

For the lotion.

Posted by: blaster at June 12, 2018 01:05 PM (Z5y53)

168 155 One wonders against whom the Norks are asking the US to guarantee their security against.

Posted by: filbert

I'm thinking it's more KJU being protected from his people.

And his own military.. I saw Trump showed him his armored car... Wouldn't be surprised if he didn't get one

Posted by: It's me donna at June 12, 2018 01:05 PM (O2RFr)

169 120 History was made last night for certain.

MiL update. Out of surgery and short-term prognosis is positive. Rresponsive to commands and no anesthesia complications.

Surgeon says growth was uncharacteristic of a glioblastoma, an agressive malignant class of tumor. This looked more like an arterial venous malformation, a jumble of blood vessels, which started bleeding, and which would most likely be a benign growth with more positive, long-term prognosis. Testing will affirm the preliminary diagnosis in about about two weeks.

Breathing tube removed, response and coherence improved drastically.

Will be out of ICU, with continued positive developments, soon.

That may sound like a lot of negative info, but rest assured it is a wealth of unexpected positive news, considering all that was at stake and brain surgery to remove a still potentially malignant mass.

Prognosis changes from year or less to indeterminate, if the AVM diagnosis holds.

Thank you, thank you, thank you, for your prayers and well-wishes.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 12, 2018 12:59 PM (c5gtg)

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Flounder, you probably already know this, but if it was an AVM and they resected all of it your MiL dodged a bullet. They tend to be prone to rupturing. Hemhorragic strokes are no joke.

Posted by: Jackal at June 12, 2018 01:05 PM (rHBg4)

170 Other big losers, besides the G-6: Iran, and of course, Obama, who now looks like a retard sitting on the side lines wearing a propeller beanie while sucking his thumb.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 01:05 PM (+CzJu)

171 But never been done. Never been tested. Many people, world leaders -- I'm talking about world leaders that have been right next to him -- have never met him. So we're going in with a very positive spirit, I think very well prepared. I think, and, by the way, we have worked very well with their people.

Posted by: Old Man With Onion on His Belt at June 12, 2018 01:05 PM (VvjLK)

172 The fucking Easter Bunny said this was a first step. And yet some are acting like this is the only summit or agreement that will ever take place.

Does no one understand diplomacy?
Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at June 12, 2018 01:00 PM (+dsLj)

The Easter Bunny didn't say shit.

You people and your hyperbole !!! Can't we just have one thread - ONE THREAD - without all the hyperbole ?!?!?!

Posted by: ScoggDog at June 12, 2018 01:05 PM (xn335)

173 i disagree Ace.... this is big thing...they are talking. And they have it on record that NK is "willing" to denuke.

If you thought he was going to bring his nukes with him and hand them over, I think you misunderstand what's going on here.
And even a detailed agreement means little since it can also be violated.

This is a small step, but a huge one.

Time will tell

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 12, 2018 01:05 PM (Lg2h/)

174 1 Gotta start somewhere
Posted by: Malcolm Tex at June 12, 2018 12:42 PM (GSJcT)
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Yep

Posted by: WisRich at June 12, 2018 01:05 PM (OAlmw)

175 105
Last night, Max Boot denounced the summit as something "any president could have done."

https://tinyurl.com/y7l88zc9

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 12, 2018 12:57 PM (ptqGC)

So why didn't they, especially the Messiah?

Posted by: jim at June 12, 2018 01:05 PM (gjGvH)

176 "hold my camera

Posted by: This is CNN"

Well, they're not really fooled. They are just dishonest hacks.

Posted by: Benji Carver at June 12, 2018 01:05 PM (OD2ni)

177 I saw Belicose Necons open for Soundgarden at the Grand Ole Opry in '99.

Posted by: runner at June 12, 2018 01:02 PM (bUjCl)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGYSAfeMO2k

Posted by: Quint at June 12, 2018 01:05 PM (n13/j)

178 99 Trump gained great face in Asia from making the deal happen and dominating the agenda. Singapore gained face by hosting the summit and getting recognition for it. ROK gained face by going along for the ride. PDRK didn't lose face by attending, which I guess is a win for them. PRC did lose face because this was not a Beijing summit and Whoa! Fat made decisions without their express permission. Yeah, we did good.

Posted by: exdem13 at June 12, 2018 12:48 PM (W+kMI)

There's a lot to be said for this point. I don't know that you can understate exactly how important the "face" aspect is to the general culture over there.

I would be mildly concerned with China now that they have to save face.
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Chinese screwed the pooch (then ate it) when they coached Whoa! Fat to have a tantrum, and then Trump announced he would cancel since the other side was obviously not being serious! I would have loved to see the collective face-fault in Beijing when that happened. Three days later the summit was back on in Singapore as planned, and Trump was all smiles. So yeah, China got burned, and is now wondering what to do next, and knows Trump won't kowtow to them.

Posted by: exdem13 at June 12, 2018 01:06 PM (W+kMI)

179 Trump said that next year he may be saying he made a big mistake.PDT took that line away from the Libtards now and manage expectations. Thats a savvy negotiator.

Ok I may have battle unicorns out my ass but he is also telling Corpulent Commie (*JJ) that he has to prove himself to get any concessions. I really didn't think that PDT would give away the farm in the first meeting or future ones.He has negotiated all over the world and has good instincts for it, as opposed to the little community organizer who had no experience at anything outside the ghetto.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 12, 2018 01:06 PM (2CQCl)

180 Thank you, thank you, thank you, for your prayers and well-wishes.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 12, 2018 12:59 PM (c5gtg)
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That is the Best News Possible !!

Posted by: Internet Tough Guy at June 12, 2018 01:06 PM (y3aQB)

181 Great news, flounder!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 12, 2018 01:07 PM (ptqGC)

182 and of course, Obama, who now looks like a retard sitting on the side lines wearing a propeller beanie while sucking his thumb.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

He did no matter what.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 12, 2018 01:07 PM (9uM86)

183 "Anyone here want to bet Hillary has some poor aide trying to reach Kim's tailor? "

How about John Kerry calling them to say they should keep their nuke program and stall for the 2020 elections?

Posted by: Grimaldi at June 12, 2018 01:07 PM (LpV0I)

184 Not sure why Ace keeps dumping on this process.
What is the alternative? Status quo? Don't let perfection be the enemy of the good.

This stands to be the biggest accomplishment of any American president since the Wall came down. Time to walk into a new future and leave the mental prisons of the past behind.

Posted by: MJP at June 12, 2018 01:07 PM (tRsql)

185 I find that our allies respect us more if we don't hold them to any of our agreements(like sanctioning rogue countries who sponsor terrorism or trade) while we spy on them.

Posted by: Odipshit!!! at June 12, 2018 01:07 PM (rdl6o)

186
"Speaking of Ben Shapiro, how about all those nude selfies of his hot as fuck sister? Girl is stacked.
Posted by: mugiwara"

If you think Ben Shapiro in a dress is hot.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 12, 2018 01:07 PM (10vO4)

187 And Hillary! could have done it backwards in Heels

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at June 12, 2018 01:00 PM (PNcou)
............

down a flight of stairs wearing her prism glasses

Posted by: wth at June 12, 2018 01:08 PM (HgMAr)

188 >>Speaking of Ben Shapiro, how about all those nude selfies of his hot as fuck sister?

How you gonna drop that without a link?
Posted by: garrett at June 12, 2018 01:03 PM (ReI7m)

Sorry guys I'm on my phone. They're everywhere though with a little net detective work. Very worth the effort.

Posted by: mugiwara at June 12, 2018 01:08 PM (rSdfQ)

189 "Last night, Max Boot denounced the summit as something "any president could have done."

Boot is full of shit as usual. NK had not mae the concilliatory gestures such as crossing the DMZ for a meeting with SK before Trump. He acts like there was nothing leading up to this.

Posted by: Benji Carver at June 12, 2018 01:08 PM (OD2ni)

190 And the nevertrumpers will still primary trump and 3rd party challenge him.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 12, 2018 01:08 PM (wdmm9)

191 Posted by: Quint at June 12, 2018 01:05 PM (n13/j)

lol, "I can stand it, if you can !"

Posted by: runner at June 12, 2018 01:08 PM (bUjCl)

192 Watch out, Captain Eyebrow is going to show Trump who is the best at being just north of the USA.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at June 12, 2018 01:08 PM (pw+jk)

193 Hillary has some poor aide trying to reach Kim's tailor? "

I'd like to meet his tailor...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 12, 2018 01:08 PM (7LY+6)

194

EM GOOSEBERRY FOADDY-FI!!!

Posted by: Maxine Waters' Hair at June 12, 2018 01:08 PM (pYqXv)

195 going from Whoa Fat promising to nuke us, to promising to denuke and moving toward a (in unclear terms) united Korea ... we got a lot. Bolton and Pompeo are clear eyed, but just having lil Kim make promises is big. Now if he breaks them ... it is clear he's the bad guy (clear to the world, we already know).

This plays well for Nov18 elections, so that alone is a big win. It also breaks the MSM narrative (again).

But really ... the Nork people are dying, even the military men. I'm all for being cautious with unfettered hopium, but compare and contrast with Obama giving Iran not just the green light for future nukes, but billions in funding to provide them.

There is a sea change occurring ... surf's up .... ride the red tide wave ... maybe a tsunami over the swamp is easier than draining it. Wash them all out to sea ... (there's a good analogy in there somewhere ... ha)

Posted by: illiniwek at June 12, 2018 01:08 PM (bT8Z4)

196 That's good news Flounder!

Posted by: Jewells45 at June 12, 2018 01:08 PM (zRZaJ)

197 Stick with the good friends, dump the fake friends, make new friends. How is that not a great idea? You really think Canada or Germany are going to mess with us when they're suddenly eating at the loser lunch table of weird, socialist, sissy countries that once dreamed of commanding the helm of a Eurocentric globalist world order? You think they're really going to remain belligerent when NORTH KOREA is at the cool kids' table making fun of them with the rest of us? They'll stop being clowns or they'll become irrelevant.

I love this on so many levels. I hope we blow off our next big meeting with Macron to grab beers with Pierre Nkurunziza.

Posted by: Not tired of winning at June 12, 2018 01:01 PM (wx6iv)

You know many of us will have Too Much Winning on our death certificates when Kim bullies Acosta at a WH presser.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 12, 2018 01:09 PM (4ErVI)

198 "If you think Ben Shapiro in a dress is hot.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic"

Thanks. There goes the excitement.

Posted by: Benji Carver at June 12, 2018 01:09 PM (OD2ni)

199 I hope that the next summit doesn't occur until there is something substantial to be agreed on.

I think the next summit should be in Peking, just to make everything clear.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 12, 2018 01:09 PM (yQpMk)

200
Then what are the shelves for?
Posted by: Tami at June 12, 2018 01:03 PM (Enq6K)

No one really knows.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 12, 2018 01:09 PM (10vO4)

201 179
as opposed to the
little community organizer who had no experience at anything outside the
ghetto.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 12, 2018 01:06 PM (2CQCl)

Sure he did. He was a Choom master in Hawaii.

Posted by: jim at June 12, 2018 01:10 PM (gjGvH)

202 200
Then what are the shelves for?
Posted by: Tami at June 12, 2018 01:03 PM (Enq6K)

No one really knows.
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Ace needs to explore the efficiency of meat hooks.

Posted by: Gumby at June 12, 2018 01:10 PM (2LelM)

203 144 One wonders against whom the Norks are asking the US to guarantee their security against.

Posted by: filbert at June 12, 2018 12:59 PM (953wK)

They don't need protection against SK - they want to reunify.

So, that just leaves...China.
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Exactly!! Beijing could always cross the border with an army group and replace Whoa! Fat with a different toady if and when he became not worth supporting. Or maybe Pyongyang is afraid of a potential allied ROK-Japanese-Taiwanese invasion.

Posted by: exdem13 at June 12, 2018 01:10 PM (W+kMI)

204 81 I suggest that we help Kim empty his labor camps.
To make room for our progs.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Ask Me About SMR & Ancient Slavonaut Theory at June 12, 2018 12:54 PM (fA1SL)

Outsourcing of Trump's libtard camps to NK? Kim will do the job that deplorable Americans don't want to do! So much winning.

Posted by: Roy at June 12, 2018 01:10 PM (7n4KQ)

205 Why am I 50 points ahead of Trump, you might ask

Posted by: Alec Baldwin at June 12, 2018 01:11 PM (iOL28)

206 Posted by: Quint at June 12, 2018 01:05 PM (n13/j)

lol, "I can stand it, if you can !"

Posted by: runner at June 12, 2018 01:08 PM (bUjCl)

lol. I always think of that scene when you guys do that line. It is funny because I don't know what it mean

Posted by: Quint at June 12, 2018 01:11 PM (n13/j)

207 Yeah, de-nuking the peninsula doesn't mean that NK is de-nuked.

Posted by: Draki at June 12, 2018 01:11 PM (iYUcu)

208 Can't we just have one thread - ONE THREAD - without all the hyperbole ?!?!?!

--

If you want dull and boring, go to NPR, they drone really well, and it really soothes the nerves. You feel much better when it is over.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at June 12, 2018 01:11 PM (roQNm)

209 Watch out, Captain Eyebrow is going to show Trump who is the best at being just north of the USA.

May I ask a naiive question? I'm going to ask a naiive question.

What's up with the fake eyebrow shit? Do people really not have eyebrows and then need to fake them?

The pictures I've seen don't look photoshopped, but why would somebody have fake eyebrows falling off his face?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 12, 2018 01:12 PM (fuK7c)

210 I can't wait to start the cruises from South to North and get in on this gravy train.
Do you think the N. Korean women know much about breast implants? Jonah was asking!

Posted by: Bill Kristol -Cruise Director at June 12, 2018 01:12 PM (0hNQb)

211 Just suited up and checked out DU.

Short take: PDT did nothing about the brutal camps, executions, etc. It was all just a PR stunt.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 01:12 PM (+CzJu)

212 87 Italy is ready to break with G-6 and they got a bigger economy than than the Nucks
_________________

Italy also just refused to allow an NGO's ship full of Libyan "refugees" to make port there. Italy is finally wising up.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 12, 2018 01:12 PM (fqUgw)

213
184 Not sure why Ace keeps dumping on this process.
What is the alternative? Status quo? Don't let perfection be the enemy of the good.

This stands to be the biggest accomplishment of any American president since the Wall came down. Time to walk into a new future and leave the mental prisons of the past behind.

Posted by: MJP at June 12, 2018 01:07 PM (tRsql)

Eh because North Korea is like the Republican controlled Congress. Sure they promise that this time things are going to be different and there will actually be results on what they promise. But pretty soon it's 4 years later and it is back to square one with no real changes and they are again demanding we do what they want or it will just be awful.

Posted by: buzzion at June 12, 2018 01:12 PM (cAnNx)

214 The "experts" in government couldn't get an ice rink in 3 years. Trump had never built an ice rink so got the right people and had it built in 4 months.

This is how a real CEO operates and not a government/media "expert."

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at June 12, 2018 01:13 PM (pw+jk)

215
Just suited up and checked out DU.

Short take: PDT did nothing about the brutal camps, executions, etc. It was all just a PR stunt.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 01:12 PM (+CzJu)

The decontamination room is over there ------------>

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 12, 2018 01:13 PM (ptqGC)

216 You people and your hyperbole !!! Can't we just have one thread - ONE THREAD - without all the hyperbole ?!?!?!

Posted by: ScoggDog at June 12, 2018 01:05 PM (xn335)

You mad bro?

Posted by: Tami at June 12, 2018 01:13 PM (Enq6K)

217 Nuclear divisions ?
Posted by: Bob from NSA at June 12, 2018 12:58 PM (10vO4)

I don't know, i'm a civvy. Whatever the hell it's called when you have a defined segment of the military in charge of a nuclear weapon.

Division? Batallion? Boom Group? I don't know. But you know what I mean.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 12, 2018 01:13 PM (AURKQ)

218 If you want dull and boring, go to NPR, they drone really well, and it really soothes the nerves. You feel much better when it is over.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at June 12, 2018 01:11 PM (roQNm)

I don't. I'm enraged.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 01:13 PM (+CzJu)

219 As a foreign policy expert, I would say that the next step in the process is to send over planeloads filled with pallets of money. Also, I noticed that Trump seemed to have an issue bowing to Mr. Un. Not sure if that was a good move.
Feel free to consult with me or any members of my former administration for our expert advice in the future.

Posted by: Ex President Cock Curious at June 12, 2018 01:13 PM (O5Q3r)

220 Last night, Max Boot denounced the summit as something "any president could have done."
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He is correct.
And any president could have moved our embassy to Jerusalem too.

But they didn't.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 12, 2018 01:13 PM (0jtPF)

221 We are still at war with NK though, yes?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 12, 2018 01:13 PM (yQpMk)

222 a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step...A quote by Lao Tzu.
Let us be grateful for this step and be hopeful and pray that the journey continues.

Posted by: arieswoman at June 12, 2018 01:13 PM (6Tvnv)

223 So Alec Baldwin thinks he's gonna beat Trump in '20.

Like he thought he could be a radio talk-show host?

This goes beyond Dunning-Kruger. Delusional, malignant narcissism. The man would be beaten like rented mule. His handlers need to limit his drug intake before he ends up like Charlie Sheen.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 12, 2018 01:14 PM (AzW6q)

224 "Last night, Max Boot denounced the summit as something "any president could have done."
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Heh, "I could have been a contender."

I've noticed that at least one Dem pundit has been observing that Obama did at least as significant a thing with Iran...and doesn't seem to be getting any credit for it.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 12, 2018 01:14 PM (Ip71V)

225 I hope that the next summit doesn't occur until there is something substantial to be agreed on.

I think the next summit should be in Peking, just to make everything clear.
Posted by: Grump928

You want face saving?
Next summit in Seoul.

Treaty singing in Pyongyang.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 12, 2018 01:14 PM (5RITs)

226 May I ask a naiive question? I'm going to ask a naiive question.

What's up with the fake eyebrow shit? Do people really not have eyebrows and then need to fake them?

The pictures I've seen don't look photoshopped, but why would somebody have fake eyebrows falling off his face?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 12, 2018 01:12 PM (fuK7c)

Cancer patients?

I know my Mom lost her eyebrows along with her hair. She got a wig that was so hideous, however, that she just said fuck it and went au natural.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 12, 2018 01:14 PM (4ErVI)

227 osted by: Bandersnatch at June 12, 2018 01:12 PM (fuK7c)

I asked that; I didn't understand why someone would need fake eyebrows. You'd think if he were contemplating that, some woman-his wife, someone on his staff would have pointed out that there is such a thing as a eyebrow pencil, that you didn't need fake brows,

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 12, 2018 01:14 PM (0/+vJ)

228 Re-introducing North Koreans with their South Korean neighbors (and western civilization in general) and future cooperation between the two will go a long way. That is the important first step and one that cannot be undone once started.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at June 12, 2018 01:14 PM (UBzPO)

229 Basements have the best acoustics. Goodbye Horses doesn't reverberate the same way upstairs.

Posted by: Jame Gumb at June 12, 2018 01:14 PM (/8r1I)

230 Kim has promised to allow us to retrieve the remains of our troops from the war. So at least there's that. Baby steps.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 12, 2018 01:14 PM (ptqGC)

231 199 I hope that the next summit doesn't occur until there is something substantial to be agreed on.

Chain of Korean Massage Parlors.

Posted by: wrg500 at June 12, 2018 01:15 PM (Bdeb0)

232 We are still at war with NK though, yes?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 12, 2018 01:13 PM (yQpMk)

Yes we are.

But not for long. I would bet by the end of this year an armistice will be signed.

I expect they'll say that any President could do that, too.

Posted by: blaster at June 12, 2018 01:15 PM (Z5y53)

233 lol. I always think of that scene when you guys do that line. It is funny because I don't know what it mean
Posted by: Quint at June 12, 2018 01:11 PM (n13/j)

absurdity enveloped by authenticity

Posted by: runner at June 12, 2018 01:15 PM (bUjCl)

234 I think the next summit should be in Peking, just to make everything clear.

*******************

I'm betting it'll be the White House next. I think the laudable goal here is to directly influence Kim now while deemphasizing China's. Before he only had China influencing him, but now that he's directly talking to America/South Korea, he's starting to see another perspective. Another reason why this summit was yuge. He's no longer isolated as he once was.

Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at June 12, 2018 01:15 PM (+dsLj)

235 179 as opposed to the little community organizer who had no experience at anything outside the ghetto.

Where Cabrini Green - now dynamited, IIRC - was the scene of his biggest achievement. Whatever that was.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 01:15 PM (+CzJu)

236 Trump saves money on war games.

Kim gains some independence from China.

It's a start.

Posted by: Off the reservation at June 12, 2018 01:16 PM (vWMNq)

237 Ace

Would would have wanted or expected to happen in a five hour meeting? I think Trump has said all along it was going to be a process and I think there was even a process up to this point..

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 12, 2018 01:16 PM (0/+vJ)

238 If you want dull and boring, go to NPR, they drone really well, and it really soothes the nerves. You feel much better when it is over.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at June 12, 2018 01:11 PM (roQNm)

I don't. I'm enraged.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
---------------

Cue the inter-item soothing, poignant music.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 12, 2018 01:16 PM (Ip71V)

239

Kim Jung Il to Trump: Now we got that over with, you promise me night with Stormy Daniels. Ready for some sagging jugs!

Posted by: Sphynx at June 12, 2018 01:16 PM (rXie1)

240 Eh because North Korea is like the Republican
controlled Congress. Sure they promise that this time things are going
to be different and there will actually be results on what they promise.
But pretty soon it's 4 years later and it is back to square one with
no real changes and they are again demanding we do what they want or it
will just be awful.

Posted by: buzzion

So very true, minus the gulags - I think

Posted by: Barry at June 12, 2018 01:16 PM (0hNQb)

241 227 osted by: Bandersnatch at June 12, 2018 01:12 PM (fuK7c)

I asked that; I didn't understand why someone would need fake eyebrows. You'd think if he were contemplating that, some woman-his wife, someone on his staff would have pointed out that there is such a thing as a eyebrow pencil, that you didn't need fake brows,

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 12, 2018 01:14 PM (0/+vJ)

He had his razor out and was going to get that one stray eyebrow hair that was sticking out in a funky way and then he sneezed.

Posted by: buzzion at June 12, 2018 01:16 PM (cAnNx)

242 New York Times, October 1994
WASHINGTON, Oct. 18 -- President Clinton approved a plan today to
arrange more than $4 billion in energy aid to North Korea during the
next decade in return for a commitment from the country's hard-line
Communist leadership to freeze and gradually dismantle its nuclear
weapons development program.
https://tinyurl.com/yctgvv5n

Posted by: Marcus T, Historian at June 12, 2018 01:17 PM (VpIIl)

243 Eh because North Korea is like the Republican controlled Congress. Sure they promise that this time things are going to be different and there will actually be results on what they promise. But pretty soon it's 4 years later and it is back to square one with no real changes and they are again demanding we do what they want or it will just be awful.
Posted by: buzzion at June 12, 2018 01:12 PM (cAnNx)

But PDT and Pompio are not Clinton, Albright, Bush and Fredo. BIG BIG BIG difference

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 12, 2018 01:17 PM (Lg2h/)

244 I still don't believe that there is a NK, in the sense of an autonomous country. They remain China's dog. Kim can make whatever deals he wants and China can depose him with a lift of a knucklebone, eliminating all deals.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 12, 2018 01:17 PM (yQpMk)

245 236 Trump saves money on war games.

Kim gains some independence from China.

It's a start.

Posted by: Off the reservation

WOULD YOU LIKE TO PLAY A GAME?

Posted by: WOPR at June 12, 2018 01:17 PM (FZYNt)

246 Love how they're desperately trying to give credit to Obama. He set up the conditions to make this summit possible, just like he set up the conditions to make the economy explode under Trump.

Right, because 8 years of 1.5% GDP was all really intentionally timed to perfectly explode the minute Trump took office.

Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at June 12, 2018 01:17 PM (+dsLj)

247 New York Times, October 1994

=

that was, like last millennia

Posted by: runner at June 12, 2018 01:17 PM (bUjCl)

248 If this deal does work out expect the media and the left (birm) to do what they did with Reagan and the USSR. Reagan didn't do anything, the USSR was ready to implode.

It is already begun.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at June 12, 2018 01:17 PM (pw+jk)

249 go to NPR"

And get shwetty balls? Nah.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 12, 2018 01:17 PM (7LY+6)

250 "Nearly five hours of unprecedented and surreal talks between US President Donald Trump and North Korea's Kim Jong Un culminated on Tuesday with fulsome declarations of a new friendship but just vague pledges of nuclear disarmament."

Our leader is weirder than their leader.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Proudly Sponsors The Last Voyage of the Sea Cuck! at June 12, 2018 01:18 PM (hLRSq)

251 Italy also just refused to allow an NGO's ship full of Libyan "refugees" to make port there. Italy is finally wising up.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 12, 2018 01:12 PM (fqUgw)

I have been to Italy may times and I love it. Definitely my fav third world country

Posted by: REDACTED at June 12, 2018 01:18 PM (iOL28)

252

I don't know, i'm a civvy. Whatever the hell it's called when you have a defined segment of the military in charge of a nuclear weapon.

Nukes are Strategic Command

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 12, 2018 01:18 PM (10vO4)

253 I promise to keep the peninsula de-nuclearized. I'll just keep them on boats or in the northern regions of my country which aren't part of a peninsula.

Posted by: Kim Jung-Onning at June 12, 2018 01:18 PM (iYUcu)

254
I say victory on the initial goal of stopping the missile firings. Semi-victory on stopping the nuke tests - we'll see. Getting hostages - victory. No payoff - victory.
The ultimate ultimate goal would be re-unification of korea (a payoff to Kim to go away I would agree with at that point), a nuke free peninsula and nuke free Japan to appease China. I give this goal a .01% chance.
But we were headed for a nuke NK and Japan threatening to develop which would have been precarious. So far, so good.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 12, 2018 01:18 PM (r+sAi)

255

From the video it looks like Kim Jung Il quite tall or else has 6 inch lifts in shoes.

Posted by: Sphynx at June 12, 2018 01:18 PM (rXie1)

256 British Empire foreign policy during its height was no permanent allies and no permanent enemies.

Lets face it, the old alliance structure that was useful in the Cold War is no longer valid. Does any of us actually think we would come to Turkey's aide in war, and we all witnessed Turkey not coming to our aide in the Iraq War.

Can we honestly say the EU has the same interests as the U.S., the same ideals, for that matter are they even allies?

Obviously some European nations are allies to the U.S., same thing holds true in Asia, but the idea that everything is fixed forever like it was in 1991 is insane.

Not saying much will come from dealing with North Korea, but it would be foolish for the U.S. to simply ignore opportunities here, including strategic. A North Korea less reliant on China might not be such a bad thing if China is the real threat.

Posted by: William Eaton at June 12, 2018 01:18 PM (MuTTO)

257 I got the impression Whoa Fat! was really impressed with Trump's hair. I'll bet we start seeing Whoa Fat! play around with a few new do's after this.

Posted by: Jabroni at June 12, 2018 01:19 PM (TcM5G)

258 But PDT and Pompio are not Clinton, Albright, Bush and Fredo. BIG BIG BIG difference

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Not just that, but like Friedman once said, don't try to find the right people to do the right thing. Instead, make it expedient for the wrong people to do the right thing.

Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at June 12, 2018 01:19 PM (+dsLj)

259 Chain of Korean Massage Parlors.
Posted by: wrg500
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Import tariffs lifted on Kimchi.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 12, 2018 01:19 PM (wA0yZ)

260 "Kim Jung Il to Trump: Now we got that over with, you promise me night with Stormy Daniels. Ready for some sagging jugs!
Posted by: Sphynx"

Eh, he should hold out for Ivanka or Melania who are both a 1000 times hotter than Stormy (even in her prime). That pictue of Ivanka in a bar with Ochkin and the Stanley Cup? Wow, its fascinating how beautiful she is.

Posted by: Benji Carver at June 12, 2018 01:19 PM (OD2ni)

261 I actually don't think it was hyped at all. The MSM basically ignored and then were told it was going to happen pretty quickly. There was anticipation right after the G7 and conservative bloggers seems to be covering it.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 12, 2018 01:19 PM (0/+vJ)

262 CNN before: Why is Trump starting a conflict by holding war games with South Korea. What a warmonger!

CNN today: Why did Trump make such a huge concession by giving up war game with South Korea?

CNN tomorrow: derp, herpa, derpa-derp.

Posted by: Roy at June 12, 2018 01:20 PM (7n4KQ)

263 Ochkin=Oveschkin.

Posted by: Benji Carver at June 12, 2018 01:20 PM (OD2ni)

264 245 WOULD YOU LIKE TO PLAY A GAME?

Rick in SK. What do I win?

Posted by: Off the reservation at June 12, 2018 01:20 PM (vWMNq)

265 But PDT and Pompio are not Clinton, Albright, Bush and Fredo. BIG BIG BIG difference

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 12, 2018 01:17 PM (Lg2h/)

True. But North Korea is still North Korea. And the question was about why ace is dumping on the process. It's because he doesn't have any faith in North Korea. Just like we have no faith in a GOP Congress.

Posted by: buzzion at June 12, 2018 01:20 PM (cAnNx)

266 This just in:

Trump signs Kim up for a time-share in the Bahamas; they celebrate the deal by taking the limo four-wheeling.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Proudly Sponsors The Last Voyage of the Sea Cuck! at June 12, 2018 01:20 PM (hLRSq)

267 Wait, wut?

Do you mean to say Rocket Man isn't personally supervising the loading of his nookyerler arsenal onto American C-5s already?

Donny Two Scoops musta written The Art of the Failed Deal.

Posted by: I'm Tucker Carlson and I will destroy you at June 12, 2018 01:20 PM (6mcaL)

268 I got the impression Whoa Fat! was really impressed with Trump's hair. I'll bet we start seeing Whoa Fat! play around with a few new do's after this.
Posted by: Jabroni
---------------

Say, Donald, who is your tailor?

Posted by: Kim at June 12, 2018 01:20 PM (wA0yZ)

269 Trump got this Summit to happen. Now the hard work by both government teams to see if they can make this happen in reality.

Posted by: Cheri at June 12, 2018 01:20 PM (oiNtH)

270 That's wonderful flounder. continued good prayers.

Posted by: SturmToddler at June 12, 2018 01:21 PM (8D42x)

271 He had his razor out and was going to get that one stray eyebrow hair that was sticking out in a funky way and then he sneezed.
Posted by: buzzion

Don't laugh. BTDT.
3/4 asleep getting ready for work.
Took the guard off the electric trimmer to trim the 'stache.

Saw that damn wild eyebrow hair. Still 3/4 asleep.
Went after it thinking I had the guard on. Bzzzzzt.

Gone.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 12, 2018 01:21 PM (5RITs)

272 If you want dull and boring, go to NPR, they drone really well, and it really soothes the nerves. You feel much better when it is over.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at June 12, 2018 01:11 PM (roQNm)

I don't. I'm enraged.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
---------------

Cue the inter-item soothing, poignant music.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 12, 2018 01:16 PM

Ya, well don't listen to the words, just the tone. Like a hypnotist as he says, 'watch the sparkling lights, clear your mind' as he lifts your wallet and your watch.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at June 12, 2018 01:21 PM (roQNm)

273 What's up with the fake eyebrow shit? Do people really not have eyebrows and then need to fake them?

The pictures I've seen don't look photoshopped, but why would somebody have fake eyebrows falling off his face?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 12, 2018 01:12 PM (fuK7c)

You're thinking of normal people. Think of Zoolander.

Does that help?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 01:21 PM (+CzJu)

274 264 245 WOULD YOU LIKE TO PLAY A GAME?

Rick in SK. What do I win?

Posted by: Off the reservation

Obscure '80's movies for $500 Alex

Posted by: Rick in SK at June 12, 2018 01:21 PM (FZYNt)

275 213 - Eh because North Korea is like the Republican controlled Congress. Sure they promise that this time things are going to be different and there will actually be results on what they promise. But pretty soon it's 4 years later and it is back to square one with no real changes and they are again demanding we do what they want or it will just be awful.

Past results do not guarantee future returns. KJU is a new actor in the equation. Fatalism will only stand to doom this process.

Posted by: MJP at June 12, 2018 01:21 PM (tRsql)

276
Eh, he should hold out for Ivanka or Melania who are both a 1000 times hotter than Stormy (even in her prime). That pictue of Ivanka in a bar with Ochkin and the Stanley Cup? Wow, its fascinating how beautiful she is.

Posted by: Benji Carver at June 12, 2018 01:19 PM (OD2ni)

He's got to do more than give up a few nukes for a crack at Melania

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 12, 2018 01:21 PM (10vO4)

277 I got the impression Whoa Fat! was really impressed with Trump's hair. I'll bet we start seeing Whoa Fat! play around with a few new do's after this.
Posted by: Jabroni

Beats that Moe Howard bowl cut.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 12, 2018 01:22 PM (5RITs)

278 Eyebrow pencil looks like a drawing. It is an accepted thing on womens these days but not on men - at least not on men in proper company.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 12, 2018 01:22 PM (8n0ul)

279 211 Just suited up and checked out DU.

Short take: PDT did nothing about the brutal camps, executions, etc. It was all just a PR stunt.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 01:12 PM (+CzJu)
-------------------------------
What did Obama do about the camps in Cuba?
What did he do about the tyranny of the mullahs?

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 12, 2018 01:22 PM (0jtPF)

280 Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 01:21 PM (+CzJu)
-----
On behalf of world fashion, you're welcome, Mr. Prime Rib of Propecia.

Posted by: Derek Zoolander at June 12, 2018 01:23 PM (AzW6q)

281 But have we determined Lil Kim's true height?

Posted by: Jim at June 12, 2018 01:23 PM (golr6)

282 This meeting was never going to fix everything...

As Trump himself said at the outset, this will take a bunch of meetings...

But every journey begins with a single step....

Posted by: Don Q. at June 12, 2018 01:23 PM (NgKpN)

283 274 Obscure '80's movies for $500 Alex

I remember the quote ... not the title ... and not sure if it's one the wife made me go to see.

Posted by: Off the reservation at June 12, 2018 01:23 PM (vWMNq)

284 Eyebrows - go Brezhnev or go home.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Ask Me About SMR & Ancient Slavonaut Theory at June 12, 2018 01:23 PM (fA1SL)

285 Silly Americans think the Korean Peninsula goes north of the 40th parallel. They always sooo bad at geography.

Posted by: Kim Jung-Onning at June 12, 2018 01:23 PM (iYUcu)

286 Posted by: Braenyard at June 12, 2018 01:22 PM (8n0ul)

O.K. but aside from having cancer and losing hair why would men need thicker eyebrows? Does Trudeau have cancer? If so, nobody is saying anything.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 12, 2018 01:23 PM (0/+vJ)

287 Saw that damn wild eyebrow hair. Still 3/4 asleep.
Went after it thinking I had the guard on. Bzzzzzt.

Gone.
Posted by: rickb223
----------------

Let me tell you about this one time when I used gasoline to light the charcoal grill...

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 12, 2018 01:23 PM (wA0yZ)

288 53
Why does SK not have nukes?

Because we do.

NK won't need nukes either if they are under our umbrella.

Posted by: blaster at June 12, 2018 12:50 PM (Z5y53)

We moved all our nukes out of Korea decades ago.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 12, 2018 01:24 PM (mpXpK)

289 But have we determined Lil Kim's true height"

With or without stool?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 12, 2018 01:24 PM (7LY+6)

290 272 If you want dull and boring, go to NPR, they drone really well, and it really soothes the nerves. You feel much better when it is over.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at June 12, 2018 01:11 PM (roQNm)

I don't. I'm enraged.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
---------------

Cue the inter-item soothing, poignant music.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 12, 2018 01:16 PM

Ya, well don't listen to the words, just the tone. Like a hypnotist as he says, 'watch the sparkling lights, clear your mind' as he lifts your wallet and your watch.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at June 12, 2018 01:21 PM (roQNm)

I had a liberal acquaintance who used to inflict NPR on me when we carpooled. I hated that anodyne, late night jazz DJ delivery of the news ("we're so high-minded and placid, because we know we're right") while dropping brain turds.

And the SOB knew I was conservative, but was sufficiently ignorant to do this. I toyed with putting Rush Limbaugh podcasts on when I drove, but I'm not that ignorant to behave in the same way.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 01:24 PM (+CzJu)

291 278 Eyebrow pencil looks like a drawing. It is an accepted thing on womens these days but not on men - at least not on men in proper company.
Posted by: Braenyard at June 12, 2018 01:22 PM (8n0ul)

Absolutely no concept of "yesterday"

Posted by: SHEP at June 12, 2018 01:24 PM (iOL28)

292 First - fake, drawn on malebrows , NEXT - powdered wigs !

Posted by: runner at June 12, 2018 01:24 PM (bUjCl)

293 What did Obama do about the camps in Cuba?
What did he do about the tyranny of the mullahs?
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 12, 2018 01:22 PM (0jtPF)

Same thing that Clinton did about the raped women in his wake.

They felt your pain.

Posted by: Roy at June 12, 2018 01:24 PM (7n4KQ)

294 At least a cargo plane of money wasn't involved.

Posted by: Daniel Kunkle at June 12, 2018 01:24 PM (r7jLD)

295 What's up with the fake eyebrow shit? Do people really not have eyebrows and then need to fake them?

The pictures I've seen don't look photoshopped, but why would somebody have fake eyebrows falling off his face?
Posted by: Bandersnatch

Big thing in South America at least 10 years ago when I was there was having your eyebrows tattooed on

Posted by: wrg500 at June 12, 2018 01:24 PM (Bdeb0)

296 Eyebrows - go Brezhnev or go home.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine

I don't need to weave an Indian rug.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 12, 2018 01:24 PM (5RITs)

297 Saw that damn wild eyebrow hair. Still 3/4 asleep.
Went after it thinking I had the guard on. Bzzzzzt.

Gone.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 12, 2018 01:21 PM (5RITs)

I gots to know....how did you play that?

Posted by: eleven at June 12, 2018 01:24 PM (+lOpA)

298 The longest journey begins with a stop for gas.

Posted by: Stuff Franklin Said at June 12, 2018 01:25 PM (xBSm0)

299 I think that female impersonators shave their eyebrows. That's my theory on why Canadian Truedoe needed the fake eyebrow.
Either way, Truedoe totally failed with his tough guy act.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at June 12, 2018 01:25 PM (pw+jk)

300 Fatalism will only stand to doom this process.

What distinguishes Fatalism from Realism in this case?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 12, 2018 01:25 PM (yQpMk)

301 What did Obama do about the camps in Cuba?
What did he do about the tyranny of the mullahs?
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 12, 2018 01:22 PM (0jtPF)

Why, he supported them, of course.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 01:25 PM (+CzJu)

302 Eyebrow pencil looks like a drawing. It is an accepted thing on womens these days but not on men - at least not on men in proper company.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 12, 2018 01:22 PM (8n0ul)

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Trudeau took a foreign vacation and did The Thing Foreigners Always Do - matched the entire family's clothing.

I don't think the nuance of "eyebrow pencils are for GIRLS" is something he grasps.

And even if he did...GRRRRL POWER?

Posted by: Velveeta at June 12, 2018 01:26 PM (q/kmn)

303 And the SOB knew I was conservative, but was sufficiently ignorant to do this. I toyed with putting Rush Limbaugh podcasts on when I drove, but I'm not that ignorant to behave in the same way.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 01:24 PM (+CzJu)
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I'm going to go totally against my grain here and say you absolutely should have sunk to his level.

He needed to be educated.

Posted by: bluebell at June 12, 2018 01:26 PM (oMtOd)

304 Eyebrow pencil is used to flesh out hair that's there. But those chicks who actually draw out their eyebrows? Hilarious. Maybe after his mishap that's the route that Mlle. Trudeau will take.

Posted by: Jame Gumb at June 12, 2018 01:26 PM (/8r1I)

305 301 What did Obama do about the camps in Cuba?
What did he do about the tyranny of the mullahs?
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 12, 2018 01:22 PM (0jtPF)

Why, he supported them, of course.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity

didn't he do "The Wave" at a ballgame too?

Posted by: Rick in SK at June 12, 2018 01:26 PM (FZYNt)

306 I think that female impersonators shave their eyebrows. That's my theory on why Canadian Truedoe needed the fake eyebrow.

So in his free time he's a female impersonator? Interesting image.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 12, 2018 01:26 PM (0/+vJ)

307 Truedoe totally failed with his tough guy act.

**********************

He's in a world of shit now, and more than half of Canada knows it.

Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at June 12, 2018 01:26 PM (+dsLj)

308 "George W's meeting with Putin"
Our first president met Putin?

Posted by: Chris M at June 12, 2018 01:26 PM (eAZVt)

309 We moved all our nukes out of Korea decades ago.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 12, 2018 01:24 PM (mpXpK)

Tactical ones, anyway.

Posted by: blaster at June 12, 2018 01:26 PM (Z5y53)

310 Posted by: William Eaton at June 12, 2018 01:18 PM (MuTTO)

Yup.... but if we defend some 'Countries' of the EU... we are protecting all countries of the EU...

Otherwise it would be like... oh... England deciding they would defend New York, but not Montana...

Posted by: Don Q. at June 12, 2018 01:27 PM (NgKpN)

311

The only good part of The Summit was when President Trump threw Kim in the volcano.
-- Ace

Posted by: Soothi at June 12, 2018 01:27 PM (s6l8t)

312 296. Eyebrows are nature's way of warning other, lesser men, of your raw vitality, high intellect, and your nearly godlike powers with the wammens.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Ask Me About SMR & Ancient Slavonaut Theory at June 12, 2018 01:27 PM (fA1SL)

313 why would men need thicker eyebrows?
-----

He wants to be the next Denis Healy?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 12, 2018 01:27 PM (N+Do/)

314 284 Eyebrows - go Brezhnev or go home.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Ask Me About SMR & Ancient Slavonaut Theory at June 12, 2018 01:23 PM (fA1SL)

==================

That man had eyebrows that Amaro from FLCL would look at with envy!

Posted by: Jackal at June 12, 2018 01:27 PM (rHBg4)

315 Ben Shapiro's sister has enough silicone to replenish a NC beach.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 12, 2018 01:27 PM (8n0ul)

316 "It's at best a first step. . . which gives little reassurance the the more difficult second, third, and fourth steps will be taken."

Last month I was assured this meeting would NEVER take place so . . . keep underestimating Trump.

Posted by: Venus at June 12, 2018 01:27 PM (lZaEn)

317 That pictue of Ivanka in a bar with Ochkin and the Stanley Cup? Wow, its fascinating how beautiful she is.

--

She is a beauty. Not to knock her, but I think she's had quite a bit of plastic surgery. To her benefit, however.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun & Rolled Up Man Pants at June 12, 2018 01:27 PM (mQ0Mc)

318 Eyebrows are nature's way of warning other, lesser men, of your raw vitality, high intellect, and your nearly godlike powers with the wammens.

LOL.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 12, 2018 01:28 PM (0/+vJ)

319 At least a cargo plane of money wasn't involved.

Posted by: Daniel Kunkle at June 12, 2018 01:24 PM (r7jLD)

---------------

OBAMA DEAL WITH IRAN - Iran gets a cargo-plane of cash.

TRUMP DEAL WITH JONG-UN - North Korea gets a cargo-plane of Dear Leader's own excrement.

Posted by: reason at June 12, 2018 01:28 PM (q/kmn)

320 Somebody on one of the TV news outlets said that Kim "took a selfie" at one point in Singapore. What I saw was one of his dark-suited aides holding up the phone, snapping a pic of Whoa! Fat, who didn't even touch the phone.

If you don't actually take the picture yourself, it ain't a selfie, it's a snapshot!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 12, 2018 01:28 PM (G+x7t)

321 Justine is a poofter.

Posted by: Stuff Churchill Said at June 12, 2018 01:28 PM (xBSm0)

322 Eyebrows are nature's way of warning other, lesser men, of your raw vitality, high intellect, and your nearly godlike powers with the wammens.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine
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Well, I sure wasted my money on the forehead implants.

Posted by: Geraldo Rivera at June 12, 2018 01:28 PM (N+Do/)

323
The longest journey begins with a stop for gas.

Posted by: Stuff Franklin Said at June 12, 2018 01:25 PM (xBSm0)

And Beef Jerky.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 12, 2018 01:28 PM (aVYsC)

324 Our first president met Putin?

Possible.

http://bit.ly/2HJhgDo

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 12, 2018 01:28 PM (yQpMk)

325 Yup.... but if we defend some 'Countries' of the EU... we are protecting all countries of the EU...

Otherwise it would be like... oh... England deciding they would defend New York, but not Montana...
Posted by: Don Q. at June 12, 2018 01:27 PM (NgKpN)

NONE it is then. I'm nothing if not accomodating.

Posted by: ScoggDog at June 12, 2018 01:28 PM (xn335)

326 284 Eyebrows - go Brezhnev or go home.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Ask Me About SMR & Ancient Slavonaut Theory at June 12, 2018 01:23 PM (fA1SL)

You are such a piker

Posted by: Thufir Hawat at June 12, 2018 01:28 PM (iOL28)

327 why would men need thicker eyebrows?
---
Manly men have manly hair all over their bodies.

Lesser men have fuzz here and there.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at June 12, 2018 01:28 PM (roQNm)

328 I gots to know....how did you play that?
Posted by: eleven

Band-aid. Told everyone at work I turned when I shouldn't have and cut it/walked into a transmission.

I was working an extra job at a tire & oil change place.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 12, 2018 01:29 PM (5RITs)

329 Can i have a Shadenboner now? Because if Oblamalama did this every lib would be cumming all over themselves.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 12, 2018 01:29 PM (2CQCl)

330 The longest journey begins with a stop for gas.

Posted by: Stuff Franklin Said at June 12, 2018 01:25 PM (xBSm0)

And Beef Jerky.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 12, 2018 01:28 PM (aVYsC)

====
And a 24 ounce can of beer.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at June 12, 2018 01:29 PM (pw+jk)

331 Eyebrows are nature's way of warning other, lesser men, of your raw vitality, high intellect, and your nearly godlike powers with the wammens.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Ask Me About SMR & Ancient Slavonaut Theory at June 12, 2018 01:27 PM

So what's ear hair?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 12, 2018 01:29 PM (ctuyM)

332
Truedoe totally failed with his tough guy act.

Don't under estimate the comedic value.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 12, 2018 01:29 PM (10vO4)

333 As trite as it sounds, you can't have a second step without a first step-and that refers to future summits with NK, not with whatever Trudeau needs to do next to become a female impersonator. (see post 299)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 12, 2018 01:30 PM (0/+vJ)

334 325. See, the Palpatine Greater Eurasian Co-Prosperity Sphere plan has got you covered.
Step 1 - Glass Western Europe.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Ask Me About SMR & Ancient Slavonaut Theory at June 12, 2018 01:30 PM (fA1SL)

335

Much hyped moon landing goes as expected; with nothing really accomplished.
--Ace

Posted by: Soothi at June 12, 2018 01:30 PM (s6l8t)

336 And suddenly I should believe CNN's view of the world again?

Because?

They just met, why are there no unrestricted travels agreements!? No trade deals yet!? No immigration agreements!? The NORKS didn't have a completely democratic election yet!?
OMG! Trump Fail! Fail! Fail! OMG!

Talk about a totally ridiculous set of childish expectations. Getting the little weasel to leave his country for talks should be grounds for a Peace prize all by itself in the real world that's existed since the alleged cease-fire in Korea back in the 50's.

Posted by: Damnedyankee at June 12, 2018 01:30 PM (37IEG)

337 I'm thinkin' Donny Two Scoops put a 600% tariff on Gorilla Glue and Bieber Trudeau had to stick that fake eyebrow on with maple syrup.

Posted by: I'm Tucker Carlson and I will destroy you at June 12, 2018 01:30 PM (6mcaL)

338 If only Clinton had offered Kim's daddy a ride on Air Force One back in the 90's to Pedo-Island this all would've never been necessary

Posted by: Barry at June 12, 2018 01:30 PM (0hNQb)

339 WOULD YOU LIKE TO PLAY A GAME?

Rick in SK. What do I win?

Posted by: Off the reservation

Obscure '80's movies for $500 Alex

Posted by: Rick in SK at June 12, 2018 01:21 PM (FZYNt)

too easy there. Love trivia though. I will trough some out once in a while tool.

Posted by: Quint at June 12, 2018 01:30 PM (n13/j)

340 I think that female impersonators shave their eyebrows. That's my theory on why Canadian Truedoe needed the fake eyebrow.

So in his free time he's a female impersonator? Interesting image.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

You saw just how quick he wore a sarong while in India, didn't you?

Posted by: rickb223 at June 12, 2018 01:31 PM (5RITs)

341 That man had eyebrows that Amaro from FLCL would look at with envy!
Posted by: Jackal
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*throws in the towel

Posted by: Denis Healy at June 12, 2018 01:31 PM (N+Do/)

342 not tool, too, my bad

Posted by: Quint at June 12, 2018 01:31 PM (n13/j)

343 I heard Lindsey Graham on the Hugh Hewitt show this morning. He said he didn't know what is in the agreement and will have to wait and see when it gets to the Senate. He said that any provision removing US troops would be unacceptable to him and would be a victory for China.

So he evidently believes that we should keep troops in Korea in perpetuity. It also raises the specter that the preening numbnuts in the Senate could torpedo an agreement out of pure spite.

Posted by: rickl at June 12, 2018 01:31 PM (xjiRE)

344 And a 24 ounce can of beer.

We used to measure distances in six packs of beer.

Posted by: Roland THTG at June 12, 2018 01:31 PM (xBSm0)

345 I don't get this propensity from the right or rightish or fake right to say, "Meh."

Trump got fatboy to talk and potentially do something and at least stop acting super-crazy rocketman for the short term. He didn't give them pallets of cash and more nukes.

Posted by: dagny at June 12, 2018 01:31 PM (nRWPy)

346 Shapiro's sisters titties tried to take over my computer and pay money to them to get it back. Bad tittles!

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 12, 2018 01:32 PM (2CQCl)

347 330 The longest journey begins with a stop for gas.
Posted by: Stuff Franklin Said at June 12, 2018 01:25 PM (xBSm0)

And Beef Jerky.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 12, 2018 01:28 PM (aVYsC)

And a 24 ounce can of beer.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at June 12, 2018 01:29 PM (pw+jk)

The wife's playlist.

Posted by: ScoggDog at June 12, 2018 01:32 PM (xn335)

348 not sure what trough was supposed to be, i think through. I think I need some sleep.

Posted by: Quint at June 12, 2018 01:32 PM (n13/j)

349 if Obama had got this much with, say, Iran whilst holding the line on giving away more, I would have supported the Iran deal. the Iran deal wasn't bad because it was with Iran, it was bad because it was bad (and bypassed the Senate, illegally).

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at June 12, 2018 01:32 PM (/qYI7)

350 Band-aid. Told everyone at work I turned when I shouldn't have and cut it/walked into a transmission.

I was working an extra job at a tire & oil change place.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 12, 2018 01:29 PM (5RITs)

See....your smarter than me. I wouldn't have thought of the Band-Aid.

Dammit.

Posted by: eleven at June 12, 2018 01:32 PM (+lOpA)

351 what dagny said.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at June 12, 2018 01:32 PM (/qYI7)

352 Well, I sure wasted my money on the forehead implants.
Posted by: Geraldo Rivera at June 12, 2018 01:28 PM

tIn joq ghoS juH ghoS

or, in English, "Go big or go home".

Posted by: Worf, son of Mogh at June 12, 2018 01:33 PM (ctuyM)

353 The longest journey begins with a stop for gas.
Posted by: Stuff Franklin Said at June 12, 2018 01:25 PM (xBSm0)

And Beef Jerky.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 12, 2018 01:28 PM (aVYsC)

And a 24 ounce can of beer.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at June 12, 2018 01:29 PM (pw+jk)

The wife's playlist.
Posted by: ScoggDog

Buc-ee's Beaver Nuggets.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 12, 2018 01:33 PM (5RITs)

354 So what's ear hair?
Posted by: Duncanthrax
------------

It's like fuzz appearing on fruit. It's nearing its expiry date.

Posted by: Denis Healy at June 12, 2018 01:33 PM (wszSn)

355 So what's ear hair?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 12, 2018 01:29 PM (ctuyM)

Chick repellent.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 12, 2018 01:33 PM (2CQCl)

356
the Iran deal wasn't bad because it was with Iran, it was bad because it was bad (and bypassed the Senate, illegally).

And we got zip.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 12, 2018 01:33 PM (10vO4)

357 Bad tittles!
Posted by: Cannibal Bob
IMPOSSIBLE!!!

Posted by: wrg500 at June 12, 2018 01:33 PM (Bdeb0)

358 So he evidently believes that we should keep troops in Korea in perpetuity. It also raises the specter that the preening numbnuts in the Senate could torpedo an agreement out of pure spite.

*****************

He's a fucking idiot and traitor along with the rest of the GOP, his irrationality only makes sense when you consider he is driven by "hmmmm, what benefits the war industry that funds my campaign?"

The asshole is perfectly content to see our military shed blood so long as it financially benefits him. Fuck him and his ilk, and thank God for Trump.

Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at June 12, 2018 01:33 PM (+dsLj)

359 And a 24 ounce can of beer.

We used to measure distances in six packs of beer.

Posted by: Roland THTG at June 12, 2018 01:31 PM (xBSm0)

========
Our nickname for those 24 ozers was "Road Masters."

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at June 12, 2018 01:34 PM (pw+jk)

360 You saw just how quick he wore a sarong while in India, didn't you?Posted by: rickb223 at June 12, 2018 01:31 PM (5RITs)

Then someone needs to do a photoshop of Justin as Justine.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 12, 2018 01:34 PM (0/+vJ)

361 They just met, why are there no unrestricted travels
agreements!? No trade deals yet!? No immigration agreements!? The NORKS
didn't have a completely democratic election yet!?
OMG! Trump Fail! Fail! Fail! OMG!
Talk
about a totally ridiculous set of childish expectations. Getting the
little weasel to leave his country for talks should be grounds for a
Peace prize all by itself in the real world that's existed since the
alleged cease-fire in Korea back in the 50's.Posted by: Damnedyankee at June 12, 2018 01:30 PM (37IEG)

THEY ARE the ones who must think Trump is a god. If he doesn't perform the miracles as they define him, they say he failed. THEY ARE the ones deifying him.

Posted by: dagny at June 12, 2018 01:34 PM (nRWPy)

362 The longest journey begins with a stop for gas.
Posted by: Stuff Franklin Said at June 12, 2018 01:25 PM (xBSm0)

And Beef Jerky.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 12, 2018 01:28 PM (aVYsC)

And a 24 ounce can of beer.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at June 12, 2018 01:29 PM (pw+jk)

The wife's playlist.
Posted by: ScoggDog

Buc-ee's Beaver Nuggets.
Posted by: rickb223
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*did I turn off the oven?*

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 12, 2018 01:34 PM (wszSn)

363 Maybe something will come of this, but I'm doubtful, that is, whatever happens would have happened without this summit. China will either allow change, or it won't. Public handshakes Don't matter at all when Great Powers are looking out for their own interests.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 12, 2018 01:34 PM (yQpMk)

364 And Beef Jerky.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 12, 2018 01:28 PM (aVYsC)

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Beaver Nuggets.

Posted by: reason at June 12, 2018 01:34 PM (q/kmn)

365 Along with beef jerky and cheese, fried chicken and cold potato salad are excellent foods for non-stop road trips.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 12, 2018 01:34 PM (8n0ul)

366 much hyped, vague promises...still a BFD.

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at June 12, 2018 01:34 PM (FOPyv)

367 320 Somebody on one of the TV news outlets said that Kim "took a selfie" at one point in Singapore. What I saw was one of his dark-suited aides holding up the phone, snapping a pic of Whoa! Fat, who didn't even touch the phone.

If you don't actually take the picture yourself, it ain't a selfie, it's a snapshot!
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Louis XIV would certainly have had a Royal Selfie Taker position. Why can't Whoa! Fat have the same official lackey?

Posted by: exdem13 at June 12, 2018 01:34 PM (W+kMI)

368 350 Band-aid. Told everyone at work I turned when I shouldn't have and cut it/walked into a transmission.

I was working an extra job at a tire & oil change place.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 12, 2018 01:29 PM (5RITs)

See....your smarter than me. I wouldn't have thought of the Band-Aid.

Dammit.
Posted by: eleven at June 12, 2018 01:32 PM (+lOpA)

What the fuck! What happened to "slap a hot Irron on it!?"

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 12, 2018 01:35 PM (2CQCl)

369 Ace is just trying to get us to step away from the Kool-Aid bar and pump the brakes.

Posted by: eleven at June 12, 2018 01:35 PM (+lOpA)

370 The only thing on NPR that I really enjoyed listening to is The Thistle and Shamrock. Now that is some good music.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 12, 2018 01:35 PM (V2Yro)

371 "322 Eyebrows are nature's way of warning other, lesser men, of your raw vitality, high intellect, and your nearly godlike powers with the wammens.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine"

My big pecker did that for me.

Posted by: Zombie Milton Bearle at June 12, 2018 01:35 PM (OD2ni)

372
The longest journey begins with a stop for gas. Posted by: Stuff Franklin Said at June 12, 2018 01:25 PM (xBSm0)
And Beef Jerky.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 12, 2018 01:28 PM (aVYsC)
And a 24 ounce can of beer.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at June 12, 2018 01:29 PM (pw+jk)

So none of you thought to use the bathroom before we left?

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 12, 2018 01:35 PM (10vO4)

373 Graham needs to stfu. his bluster added nothing to the deal (which already doesn't say sh!t about our troop levels), it just makes Trump look weak.

I'm sure the Republican senator can find a pillow to bite on. he can borrow Gardner's

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at June 12, 2018 01:35 PM (/qYI7)

374 Yup.... but if we defend some 'Countries' of the EU... we are protecting all countries of the EU...

Otherwise it would be like... oh... England deciding they would defend New York, but not Montana...
Posted by: Don Q. at June 12, 2018 01:27 PM (NgKpN)

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Can you tell me what Turkey did in the Iraq War? Or anything else that was useful for us.

NATO is a dead alliance, it needs to be updated perhaps a new alliance with the Eastern European Countries plus Finland and Israel. No sense of the U.S. haggling with Germany and France considering both already admit they want a EU army that is separate from NATO.

Turkey on the other hand is already a hostile as far as I am concerned.

Posted by: William Eaton at June 12, 2018 01:36 PM (MuTTO)

375 Posted by: dagny at June 12, 2018 01:31 PM (nRWPy

Exactly.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 12, 2018 01:36 PM (0/+vJ)

376 369 Ace is just trying to get us to step away from the Kool-Aid bar and pump the brakes.

Posted by: eleven at June 12, 2018 01:35 PM (+lOpA)

Yeah, he's being skeptical and there is good reason to be so. But he also has teased that he's going to blast the nevertrump cucks in a little bit.

Posted by: buzzion at June 12, 2018 01:37 PM (cAnNx)

377 150
Speaking of Ben Shapiro, how about all those nude selfies of his hot as fuck sister? Girl is stacked.

Posted by: mugiwara at June 12, 2018 01:03 PM (rSdfQ)

What?

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at June 12, 2018 01:37 PM (8iiMU)

378 *did I turn off the oven?*

Posted by: Mike Hammer

I always take a picture of the garage door.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 12, 2018 01:37 PM (8n0ul)

379 372
The longest journey begins with a stop for gas. Posted by: Stuff Franklin Said at June 12, 2018 01:25 PM (xBSm0)
And Beef Jerky.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 12, 2018 01:28 PM (aVYsC)
And a 24 ounce can of beer.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at June 12, 2018 01:29 PM (pw+jk)

So none of you thought to use the bathroom before we left?
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic

Did you lock the door?

Posted by: wrg500 at June 12, 2018 01:37 PM (Bdeb0)

380 374 Yup.... but if we defend some 'Countries' of the EU... we are protecting all countries of the EU...

Otherwise it would be like... oh... England deciding they would defend New York, but not Montana...
Posted by: Don Q. at June 12, 2018 01:27 PM (NgKpN)

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Can you tell me what Turkey did in the Iraq War? Or anything else that was useful for us.

NATO is a dead alliance, it needs to be updated perhaps a new alliance with the Eastern European Countries plus Finland and Israel. No sense of the U.S. haggling with Germany and France considering both already admit they want a EU army that is separate from NATO.

Turkey on the other hand is already a hostile as far as I am concerned.

Posted by: William Eaton at June 12, 2018 01:36 PM (MuTTO)

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An alliance with Finland, yeah, that'd make the Ruskies nervous.

Posted by: Jackal at June 12, 2018 01:38 PM (rHBg4)

381 Posted by: dagny at June 12, 2018 01:34 PM (nRWPy)

"Yeah, well if Trump is so great, then why does Trump allow bad things to happen, huh?"

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 12, 2018 01:38 PM (AURKQ)

382 I always take a picture of the garage door.
Posted by: Braenyard

that's a fuckin good idea

Posted by: Rick in SK at June 12, 2018 01:38 PM (FZYNt)

383 Germany will scream bloody murder if we close more bases in their country. It is a lot of money we directly pump into their economy.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at June 12, 2018 01:38 PM (pw+jk)

384 What the fuck! What happened to "slap a hot Irron on it!?"
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 12, 2018 01:35 PM

He self-medicated, rather than coming to The Horde for the latest protocol.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 12, 2018 01:38 PM (ctuyM)

385 China will either allow change, or it won't.

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China will think twice about fucking around with Trump at the helm. He's the only one who knows to effectively deal with NK you have to deal with China first.

Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at June 12, 2018 01:38 PM (+dsLj)

386
Then someone needs to do a photoshop of Justin as Justine.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
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Not happening.

Posted by: Lawrence Durell at June 12, 2018 01:38 PM (LUV9/)

387 oh, and Ronan Farrow has a book out about the decline of American diplomacy. the book has sure aged like a fine Wisconsin milk

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at June 12, 2018 01:38 PM (/qYI7)

388 I know that the narrative has been that Kim is a "madman" that wants to destroy the world. I've never bought into that. The North Korea that resulted from the Korean War has been fenced in by a policy that doesn't benefit the American people. The leaders of Korea have been very pragmatic. They had limited natural resources and used the view the West had of them to get billions of dollars of foreign aid, from Russia, China, Europe, Iran and America. The view that the Korean leaders are evil, insane despots is just propaganda that the people of America prefer to believe. Oh, sure, they're despots, but I always wondered how much control they really had. I remember monarchies that were really controlled by the Chancellor, the bureaucracy, or a cabal of close advisors. Kim went to school in Switzerland. By the accounts of his fellow students, he was liked by his classmates. He saw what the West had to offer and was impressed, I'm sure. He may have wanted to do something to open up NK to the rest of the world, but knew that if he did, his generals or the Chinese would make Kimchee out of him. I think it is wise to always question the narrative of the view you get from the government or the media about our "friends" or "enemies".

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 12, 2018 01:38 PM (9BLnV)

389 China will either allow change, or it won't.
Public handshakes Don't matter at all when Great Powers are looking out
for their own interests.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 12, 2018 01:34 PM (yQpMk)

I think Kim and N.K.'s usefulness to the Chinese has run out. A war is not in China's interest. A nuclearized NK is not in China's interest. Another famine is not in China's interest.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at June 12, 2018 01:38 PM (UBzPO)

390
Its a start.

Alot could still go wrong.

But the prospects are better than anytime since 1955.

The Talking Bobbleheads, the State Department Carryovers, and any snooty Ex presidents should all just shut the fuck up and take some notes.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 12, 2018 01:38 PM (8XRCm)

391 Not to mention the return of remains of US servicemen. That is winning in my book. Muh war games are gone is just lefty squawking imho. Did we loose anything by doing away with exercises or "pinky swear we assure your security"? NO not in my opinion. This was a good first step in the quest for not having to squash NK like a cockroach. The military solution is always a possibility. If we can de-fang the Norks and let them modernize for their own benefit everybody wins. I gave up on the notion that we can change another country to our specs without first destroying said country first. We do not have the will anymore for complete war. The best we can hope for is the Norks can remake their own country, they have come to the end of their rope.

Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at June 12, 2018 01:38 PM (0OmEj)

392 383. Fuck 'em.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Ask Me About SMR & Ancient Slavonaut Theory at June 12, 2018 01:38 PM (fA1SL)

393 What the fuck! What happened to "slap a hot Irron on it!?"
Posted by: Cannibal Bob

I wasn't bleeding.
Just embarrassed for shaving off one eyebrow accidentally.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 12, 2018 01:39 PM (5RITs)

394 also, to quote a Obama "errrrr uhhhhh let's not. Let the perf uh uhhhhh Perfect! be the enemy of the uh uhhhhh good!"

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at June 12, 2018 01:39 PM (FOPyv)

395 An alliance with Finland, yeah, that'd make the Ruskies nervous.
Posted by: Jackal at June 12, 2018 01:38 PM (rHBg4)

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It certainly would be more useful than one with France...

Posted by: William Eaton at June 12, 2018 01:39 PM (MuTTO)

396 nood

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 12, 2018 01:39 PM (mpXpK)

397 I think that female impersonators shave their eyebrows. That's my theory on why Canadian Truedoe needed the fake eyebrow.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at June 12, 2018 01:25 PM (pw+jk)

I think he needs to work on becoming a male impersonator.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 12, 2018 01:39 PM (+CzJu)

398 "Yeah, well if Trump is so great, then why does Trump allow bad things to happen, huh?"

Trump doesn't allow bad things to happen to people, he makes them happen. Because he doesn't like them.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 12, 2018 01:39 PM (yQpMk)

399 383 Germany will scream bloody murder if we close more bases in their country. It is a lot of money we directly pump into their economy.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at June 12, 2018 01:38 PM (pw+jk)

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Then maybe Mutti Merkel should quit being such an obstacle. Y'know, if Theresa May had any sense she'd leverage this for better Brexit terms.

Posted by: Jackal at June 12, 2018 01:39 PM (rHBg4)

400 the Iran deal wasn't bad because it was with Iran, it was bad because it was bad (and bypassed the Senate, illegally).

And we got zip.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 12, 2018 01:33 PM (10vO4)
It was bad for a whole host of reasons. There was nothing good about it and it not only allowed Iran to nuke up, but WE GAVE them cash in the short term to USE to nuke up and to fund terrorism. We even gave them access to our banking system to convert their cash to euros. I still want to know what "fund" that cash came from. On top of that the entire premise--Iran as the boss of the middle east is fucked up left wing anti-democracy 1980s era "anticolonialism" bullshit.
AND his "deal" isn't a "deal" if it's on his whim. He's not even supposed to be able to spend money like that without congress.

Posted by: dagny at June 12, 2018 01:39 PM (nRWPy)

401 Germany will scream bloody murder if we close more bases in their country. It is a lot of money we directly pump into their economy.

Angela needs the land for her Muslim hordes. She can sell the licensing rights (and a few thousand Benzes) to the Chinese.

Posted by: JEM at June 12, 2018 01:40 PM (rz9v+)

402 392 383. Fuck 'em.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine

Twice.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 12, 2018 01:40 PM (5RITs)

403 Can you tell me what Turkey did in the Iraq War?

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Denied us using their bases as a jumping off point from the North.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 12, 2018 01:40 PM (8XRCm)

404 "387 oh, and Ronan Farrow has a book out about the decline of American diplomacy. the book has sure aged like a fine Wisconsin milk"

he was on Seth Meyers...the softest interview possible where he peddled this line.

but to be fair, he was generous saying it's not just trump but every president ever that failed to appreciate all the state department does (narrator: ronan's sources were only state department types).

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at June 12, 2018 01:40 PM (FOPyv)

405 I always take a picture of the garage door.
Posted by: Braenyard

that's a fuckin good idea

Posted by: Rick in SK at June 12, 2018 01:38 PM (FZYNt)

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That's cute.

Posted by: the neighbor's old microwave, which generates random RF at June 12, 2018 01:40 PM (q/kmn)

406 Did we expect a signed sealed agreement to completely denuclearize and verify after one 5-hours session? This was historic -- just the meeting itself. Btw -- I think Pompeo is one seriously competent dude.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at June 12, 2018 01:40 PM (H8QX8)

407 I think Kim and N.K.'s usefulness to the Chinese has run out. A war is not in China's interest. A nuclearized NK is not in China's interest. Another famine is not in China's interest.

Unlike you, I have no inside knowledge of the Chinese Politburos thinking on this. I can only see what they do and have done.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 12, 2018 01:41 PM (yQpMk)

408 the Iran deal wasn't bad because it was with Iran, it was bad because it was bad (and bypassed the Senate, illegally).

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It was certainly good for the US officials who took bribes from Iran to make the deal happen though.

Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at June 12, 2018 01:41 PM (+dsLj)

409 I think that female impersonators shave their eyebrows.
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Michelle Obama did/does.
Seriously.
Well, probably lasered off, not shaved.

The new brows are inked in or sometimes tattooed.
I dunno which method Michelle uses.

It's a thing.
But you can often tell because the new eyebrows aren't at the natural browline.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 12, 2018 01:41 PM (0jtPF)

410 What are the odds some shitlib will make the leap from Trump wistfully envisioning hotels on NK's "beautiful beaches" to "OMG! Trump is meeting with Kim so he can develop real estate in NK after he's out of office!! He did this summit for personal gainz!?"

Or has it happened already?

Posted by: JoeF. at June 12, 2018 01:41 PM (y8Foj)

411 00 the Iran deal wasn't bad because it was with Iran, it was bad because it was bad (and bypassed the Senate, illegally).
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Kermit the Frog Drinking Tea Meme:

At least Trump got a signature, but that's none of my business.

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at June 12, 2018 01:41 PM (FOPyv)

412 Can you tell me what Turkey did in the Iraq War?

Yes. They disallowed our militart crossing so that we could simultaneously invade from the north.

No big pincer.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 12, 2018 01:41 PM (8n0ul)

413 What the fuck! What happened to "slap a hot Irron on it!?"
Posted by: Cannibal Bob
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Yeah, Y5 is a big fan of cauterization.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 12, 2018 01:41 PM (LUV9/)

414 http://bit.ly/2JEOANL
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'I Felt Foolish ... But We Had No Choice' - Trump Explains Tough Rhetoric On North Korea The Daily Caller

Posted by: Internet Tough Guy at June 12, 2018 01:41 PM (y3aQB)

415 My advice to PDT is to pull all of the military bases out of Germany and relocate them to Poland.

Posted by: I'm Tucker Carlson and I will destroy you at June 12, 2018 01:42 PM (6mcaL)

416 395 An alliance with Finland, yeah, that'd make the Ruskies nervous.
Posted by: Jackal at June 12, 2018 01:38 PM (rHBg4)

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It certainly would be more useful than one with France...
Posted by: William Eaton at June 12, 2018 01:39 PM (MuTTO)

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I'd say so. They're one of a handful of countries with a history of fighting the bear to a standstill.

Posted by: Jackal at June 12, 2018 01:42 PM (rHBg4)

417 Germany will scream bloody murder if we close more bases in their country. It is a lot of money we directly pump into their economy.

=

A LOT of money; we pay for 21 bases...why ? is Holland or Czechs going to invade ?

Posted by: runner at June 12, 2018 01:42 PM (bUjCl)

418 Shapiro's sis has ample funbags.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 12, 2018 01:42 PM (m9wUQ)

419 I wasn't bleeding.

Just embarrassed for shaving off one eyebrow accidentally.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 12, 2018 01:39 PM (5RITs)

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Did it grow back in thicker?
Asking for an effeminate Canadian politician.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at June 12, 2018 01:42 PM (pw+jk)

420 I think Pompeo is one seriously competent dude.

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Man he really came in at the right time, same with Bolton. I had hopes for Tillerson but he was a useless fuckup.

Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at June 12, 2018 01:42 PM (+dsLj)

421 Did we expect a signed sealed agreement to completely denuclearize and verify after one 5-hours session?

I was hoping for one, though I became quite unhopefull when the summit was scheduled so quickly. Trump didn't need to go there to negotiate anything, he only went there to sign something.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 12, 2018 01:42 PM (yQpMk)

422 398 "Yeah, well if Trump is so great, then why does Trump allow bad things to happen, huh?"

Trump doesn't allow bad things to happen to people, he makes them happen. Because he doesn't like you.

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i can't even, but this is funny, yo.

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at June 12, 2018 01:42 PM (FOPyv)

423 Can you tell me what Turkey did in the Iraq War?

Yes. They disallowed our militart crossing so that we could simultaneously invade from the north.
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Maintained neutrality during WWII also.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 12, 2018 01:42 PM (LUV9/)

424 I can see the reason for disappointment in the lack of progress made.

After all, compared to previous administrations, and their successes with North Korea,Trump has barely......

WAIT A FUCKING MINUTE!!!!

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 12, 2018 01:43 PM (EyPfd)

425 I don't like Putin and think Russia has virtually always been bad news, but I don't get why we should be in defense pacts with the West, Scandis, or Eastern Europe. If Russia takes Finland or the Baltic astates tomorrow, how does that affect me? Why is preventing that worth dying for? Why should treaties with European states be based on Cold War premises?

Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at June 12, 2018 01:43 PM (/8r1I)

426 I was hoping for one, though I became quite unhopefull when the summit was scheduled so quickly. Trump didn't need to go there to negotiate anything, he only went there to sign something.

**********************************

Concern status:

Not Noted:
Noted:

Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at June 12, 2018 01:44 PM (+dsLj)

427 Just embarrassed for shaving off one eyebrow accidentally.

Posted by: rickb223
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I would have claimed a fencing match.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 12, 2018 01:44 PM (LUV9/)

428 382 I always take a picture of the garage door.
Posted by: Braenyard

that's a fuckin good idea
Posted by: Rick in SK at June 12, 2018 01:38 PM (FZYNt)

Why? What am I missing?

Posted by: rickl at June 12, 2018 01:44 PM (xjiRE)

429 "417 Germany will scream bloody murder if we close more bases in their country. It is a lot of money we directly pump into their economy. "

read The 10,000 By Coyle.

lolz

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at June 12, 2018 01:44 PM (FOPyv)

430 So why didn't they, especially the Messiah?

Posted by: jim at June 12, 2018 01:05 PM (gjGvH)

Especially since Dennis Rodman (hey we've been in Bizarro World for a while so I shouldn't be surprised) is saying Un reached out to Obama five *years* ago, via Rodman, and Obama completely blew him off.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at June 12, 2018 01:45 PM (rp9xB)

431 **********************************

Concern status:

Not Noted:
Noted:
Noted while drinking Diet Coke: { X }

Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at June 12, 2018 01:45 PM (+dsLj)

432 CNN could have gotten a better deal. Trump is not who we are...reporting live dockside at the Love canal marina and superfund sports bar...Bill.

Posted by: Capt Kristol in his motorized canoe at June 12, 2018 01:45 PM (yhf6w)

433 Yes. They disallowed our militart crossing so that we could simultaneously invade from the north.
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Maintained neutrality during WWII also.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 12, 2018 01:42 PM (LUV9/)

Considering Turkey's traditional close relationship with Germany, this was actually a plus.
Don't forget this was pre-NATO....

Posted by: JoeF. at June 12, 2018 01:46 PM (y8Foj)

434 First time Bucky the Beaver has left home - when Kruschev came to the US in '59 it opened his eyes to reality.
Kim's not an idiot, or he'd already be dead. Seeing Singapore with his own eyes has to have made some kind of impression (other than "it will all have to go, fire up the rockets boys").

His grandfather's people would still be arguing over the color of the fabric on the chairs to be placed around the table, the shape of which was next on the agenda for arguing about.

Posted by: Damnedyankee at June 12, 2018 01:46 PM (37IEG)

435 I think Kim and N.K.'s usefulness to the Chinese has run out. A war is not in China's interest. A nuclearized NK is not in China's interest. Another famine is not in China's interest.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at June 12, 2018 01:38 PM (UBzPO)

Read that the Chinese have withdrawn their missiles from their artificial islands.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 12, 2018 01:47 PM (8n0ul)

436 Denied us using their bases as a jumping off point from the North.
Posted by: fixerupper at June 12, 2018 01:40 PM (8XRCm)

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Yet we are supposed to help them if they get into a rumble with Russia or Israel. Even more farcical will be Turkey vs. Greece...

It is a joke alliance at this point. I would rather our country make less promises, but actually keep the ones we make.

Posted by: William Eaton at June 12, 2018 01:47 PM (MuTTO)

437 Why? What am I missing?
Posted by: rickl
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While you are 1000 miles away, you don't have to ask yourself, "Did I close the garage door?"

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 12, 2018 01:47 PM (LUV9/)

438 Just suited up and checked out DU.

Short take: PDT did nothing about the brutal camps, executions, etc. It was all just a PR stunt.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara,

PDT did at least as much as JEF did in Cuba and didn't fuck up nearly as bad as JEF did with Iran.

Posted by: Blue Hen at June 12, 2018 01:47 PM (GYX1g)

439 You know the neocucks are gonna come in all hard and shit like they just rapped out a dozen sets on Muscle Beach spouting off about how Trump is about to be punked. It's a pageant.

Posted by: Fritz at June 12, 2018 01:47 PM (J7XgW)

440 Considering Turkey's traditional close relationship with Germany, this was actually a plus.
Don't forget this was pre-NATO....
Posted by: JoeF.
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Yes, but if Italy was an example of having a close relationship with Germany, there was evidence that such might not be a good idea.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 12, 2018 01:49 PM (wszSn)

441 439 You know the neocucks are gonna come in all hard and shit like they just rapped out a dozen sets on Muscle Beach spouting off about how Trump is about to be punked. It's a pageant.
Posted by: Fritz at June 12, 2018 01:47 PM (J7XgW)

I heard someone like that on Hewitt this morning. Harry somebody. He was hilarious, and Very Concerned.

Posted by: rickl at June 12, 2018 01:49 PM (xjiRE)

442 Considering Turkey's traditional close relationship with Germany, this was actually a plus.
Don't forget this was pre-NATO....
Posted by: JoeF. at June 12, 2018 01:46 PM (y8Foj)

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You mean somewhere around 1914. Special Relationship...

Not such a plus now considering the future Europe that Germany wants.

Posted by: William Eaton at June 12, 2018 01:54 PM (MuTTO)

443 is ace dating allahpundit again ? yesterday he (ace) blamed social security fiasco on Donny..

Posted by: chango butt at June 12, 2018 02:02 PM (nDHL4)

444 90 percent of all negotiations takes place at the expert level between diplo-geeks discussing the finer points of legal and economic mumble-mumble. Leaders kick things off and sign final documents, never anything in between.

So, assuming that Pompeo can keep his own people focused--and I think he can--we can get something substantive down the line. Remember, the war games happen every year. If Whoa Fat reneges, the Donald picks up the phone and restarts the exercises and everything goes back to zero. He's shown that he's willing to walk away.

Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at June 12, 2018 02:06 PM (RD7QR)

445 Not sure yet who blinked, but at least the two combatants finally looked each other in the eye. Fingers crossed.

Posted by: Socratease at June 12, 2018 02:11 PM (BT83d)

446 "It's at best a first step, and a fairly easy first step"

__________________________

Yet, a first step that the so-called diplomacy and foreign policy "experts" were unable to accomplish in DECADES.

Posted by: Orson at June 12, 2018 02:18 PM (8Ouv7)

447 I don't see how 'complete denuclearization" is ambiguous.

Kim may not mean it, may not do it, may hide what he's doing, and may build them in the future, but the agreement is the agreement, and is only an agreement, but it's not ambiguous.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at June 12, 2018 02:20 PM (kfcYC)

448 True. But North Korea is still North Korea. And the question was about why ace is dumping on the process. It's because he doesn't have any faith in North Korea. Just like we have no faith in a GOP Congress.
Posted by: buzzion at June 12, 2018 01:20 PM (cAnNx)

Who has faith in NK???? NK, as will most people and countries, will do what is in their best interests...And what we have to do is make them see it is in their best interests....and since PDT is not a schmuck like Fredo, if he does not get what he wants, he walks and turns up the heat on NK...it really is not brain surgery

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 12, 2018 02:49 PM (Lg2h/)

449 There is a story going around that Obama tried to call Kim prior to the meeting

Posted by: SMOD at June 12, 2018 02:51 PM (S44lC)

450 "I don't see how 'complete denuclearization" is ambiguous.

Kim may not mean it, may not do it, may hide what he's doing, and may build them in the future, but the agreement is the agreement, and is only an agreement, but it's not ambiguous."
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Its already be done. Kim was freed from being a front man for the Deep State Pedo-cabal; he's very happy to both give up a bunch of expensive weapons and SURVIVE!

Most important part was TRUMP'S promise of security. He doesn't want to hang himself with a red scarf from the doorknob on his custom porta-potty!

HRC was unavailable for comment as were Kate Spade and Anthony Bourdain!

Posted by: Old Codger at June 12, 2018 03:22 PM (HvZln)

451 410 What are the odds some shitlib will make the leap from Trump wistfully envisioning hotels on NK's "beautiful beaches" to "OMG! Trump is meeting with Kim so he can develop real estate in NK after he's out of office!! He did this summit for personal gainz!?"

Or has it happened already?

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Assume that it has. The NeverTrumps and their leftist allies have a bottomless supply of ridiculousness to milk.

Posted by: Fortunato at June 12, 2018 03:31 PM (i7hvJ)

452 3 As always, time will tell.
Posted by: jim at June 12, 2018 12:42 PM (gjGvH)

And also:

Time, time, time is on our side.
Yes, it is.

Posted by: m at June 12, 2018 03:41 PM (/TzhX)

453 ....the 1000 mile trip starts with the first step!

Posted by: TN VOLUNTEER at June 12, 2018 03:47 PM (NDRcc)

454 The media spin is that Trump *gave away* two things:
1) A face-to-face meeting with the leader of the free world (what a strange reverence for him all of a sudden).
2) Cessation of military exercises (which a few months ago were costly and dangerous provocations).
Pretty soft gives I would say, compared to pallets of cash!

I am surprised Trump did not have the halting of military exercises pre-approved by South Korea, as a card to play if he needed to, but the claim is it was not so. Unforced error if true. The media loves them some of that *Trump screws our allies* special sauce, you know!

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at June 12, 2018 03:48 PM (4wfko)

455 67 I am disappointed that Trump didn't have a real treaty set to go before he went there. It's not Like A Boss.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 12, 2018 12:52 PM (yQpMk)

Maybe he did, and the one they signed is Version B.

Posted by: m at June 12, 2018 04:11 PM (/TzhX)

456 109 Nuclear divisions ?

Like splitting the atom, right? With a cloth.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at June 12, 2018 05:03 PM (4wfko)

457 Trump is barely back and all the morons are complaining about an agreement that is not even done yet... i.e. Rubio bitching about verification... WTF? ... they have not even written anything down yet. What an ahole... just like everyone else who is bitching and moaning.
There was a Korean War... it is apparently still on.. and President of US meets Head of North Korea... a BIG FRIGGIN DEAL and who cares, lets bitch about whats next. FK THEM ALL

Posted by: philip at June 12, 2018 05:43 PM (nPmxB)

458 Republican or demorat, looks like both sides are willing to build up jihad powers of the world and take an IOU or thinly veiled promises by jihadist and Communists determined to lie to the West and get EVERYTHING THEY WANT from us to destroy us.

Posted by: ron n. at June 12, 2018 07:18 PM (MBrFx)

459 Came here to laugh at you pathetic weasel cuckservatives. Linking to CNN should be a fucking felony offense punishable by front lobe lobotomy. Pathetic losers.

Posted by: NeverCuck at June 12, 2018 10:50 PM (BEAdU)

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