Saturday Evening Movie Thread 06-09-2018 [Hosted By: TheJamesMadison]

Amadeus

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I've revisited the first six films in my personal Top Ten of all time chronologically from The Passion of Joan of Arc to Apocalypse Now, so now we get to the 80s, the single most represented decade in my list. And the first movie in that decade is Milos Forman's Amadeus.


Re-Introductions and Introductions

When I first discovered Amadeus, I loved it, and I showed it to my father. We watched it together (one very nice thing about him was that he's willing to watch almost whatever I try to put in front of him), and his reaction was much more tempered than mine. He said, "You'll like it less as you get older." Not that he didn't like the film, but he just didn't love it like I did.

I didn't watch this movie for at least seven years until this week when I finally revisited it. I was a bit terrified. Was my dad right? Would I finally rewatch the film and decide that it's simply not as good as my younger self had determined?

Thankfully, I loved the film as much as before, and that started with one particular moment about ten minutes into the film. Salieri, having attempted suicide, is sitting alone in a cell in a sanitarium playing some small tunes on a harpsicord. A priest comes to hear his confession. Salieri wants nothing to do with the priest until the priest insists that all men are equal in God's eyes. That attracts Salieri's attention.

He starts by trying to draw the priest into his story by playing some of Salieri's old tunes, music that the priest should be familiar with because he studied music in Vienna in his youth. The first tune passes over the priest's head, much to Salieri's distaste. And then we see this:

It's a simple cut to a tracking shot, and it completely pulls me into the film.

Salieri plays the first few bars of the music. He takes his fingers off the keys to revel in the sound in his head. We, of course, hear it, but the priest does not. The cut takes us to a live performance of the music sung by a woman, gaudily dressed, on stage. The camera pulls back to reveal a man conducting an orchestra. As this man turns, the camera changes focus from the woman to him, revealing Salieri, decades younger, and at the height of his influence and power.

It's such a simple cut and dolly, and it sells two things. The first is the basic structure of the movie. We're going to see what he's talking about. The other is character based. His telling of his story really starts with Salieri at the height of his influence and popularity. He's adored by music lovers, and he's firm in his commitment to his art. That simple cut and dolly puts such a smile on my face every time.


Mozart

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Antonio Salieri is the protagonist of the film, and Mozart is the antagonist. Not to say good guy and bad guy, but Salieri is obviously the one driving the plot in the film. He hinders and helps Mozart, driving him from success to failure.

Mozart, though, is a delight and played by Tom Hulce (who lost the Best Actor Oscar to F. Murray Abraham for his performance as Salieri). He's an effortless genius who's been spoiled to the point that he can usually get away with any manner of vulgarity. This is evident when he first approaches the Emperor Joseph II and admits that his idea for an opera (in German!) he will set in a harem. The courtiers around the emperor gasp at the mere thought, but the emperor hides a small smile. He's obviously entertained by Mozart's brashness, eventually giving in to every wish Mozart has in terms of his art.

The scene that that plays out in is where Salieri begins to truly hate Mozart. Not only is Mozart vulgar, as opposed to Salieri's own reserved modesty (which he offers up to God, along with his chastity, in order to praise Him through music), but Mozart is also effortlessly gifted. The second scene that I want to highlight is below (the clip is chopped up from a larger scene, but it contains everything necessary for this discussion):

Salieri worked hard on that little march of his. He played with the harpsicord for every note, trying to craft something as an appropriate welcome to the wunderkind. Then, presented with the music sheet, Mozart waves it off. He's already memorized it after one hearing. Not only does he then prove that he can recreate Salieri's simple tune perfectly, but he, on the fly, improves it tremendously (eventually turning it into something that actually comes from The Marriage of Figaro). Salieri had worked diligently and reverentially to produce the piece that this creature (as Salieri calls Mozart) instantly turns into something so much better.

Salieri's dismissive attitude towards the priest's contention that all men are equal in God's eyes comes into full view in an instant. Salieri isn't equal to Mozart. God obviously prefers Mozart considering the difference in talent and perceived holiness between the two men.


Composition

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The last scene I want to highlight is the writing of the requiem mass as Salieri assists Mozart after the production of The Magic Flute (quick aside, Ingmar Bergman made an absolutely marvelous production of The Magic Flute, and you should find a copy at your local library).

Salieri, a lover of music who understands the stark contrast between his ability and Mozart's, wants Mozart to write his own Requiem mass and then to take credit for it. Left alone with him, Mozart's wife having left Vienna in disgust at Mozart's inability to focus on making money in favor of potentially empty promises, Salieri dictates Mozart's work. Together, they compose a few bars of music for every instrument in the piece. They build it layer by layer. Voices, horns of different types, strings. It all comes together, sometimes just sounding like noise, but once it all comes together the audience can hear the confluence of the different pieces to create the harmonious music in its entirety.

The fact that Salieri is behind and can't understand until it's spelled out for him is marvelous. He knows enough to aid Mozart, but he's obviously completely out of his depth. Mozart seems to speak in a different language the deeper into the composition they get. Let's take a look!


The Movie Entire

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The movie itself is obviously much more than the three scenes I've highlighted, and what really carries it is Salieri himself. He's such a wonderfully complex character who balances his hatred of Mozart the person with his love of Mozart the artist.

He often lies to Mozart. He lies about trying to help Mozart at court, only to be thwarted by circumstance. He lies about how he'll try to help him with an appointment. But he can never lie about how he feels regarding Mozart's music. Whenever Mozart asks Salieri what he thought of Mozart's newest work, all pretense falls from Salieri and he tells the honest truth, that it was magnificent.

In addition to Salieri, Constanze, Mozart's wife, looks like someone who would be completely out of her depth in regards to anything serious, but the fact that she's the one who sees things clearly offers Mozart a firm base from which to operate. When she leaves, Mozart loses all of the support she offered and falls into the hands of Schikaneder and Salieri.

The court is a joyful little comic delight. Most of them are as opposed to Mozart as Salieri. They use every ounce of their power to keep Mozart in check, but the Emperor Joseph will walk in and completely overturn anything with the smallest of suggestions ("Let me hear the scene with the music.") that put Mozart back on top.

The movie really is not what one would expect from a three hour film about a classical composer (side note: The Director's Cut really is a Director's Cut and probably is the superior version of the film). It's light and joyful where it needs to be. It's got surprising contemporary touches like Mozart's pink wig which evokes mid-80s punk rock. The movie really does fly by, never feeling like three hours, and is one of the most fun times I ever have had at the movies, so to speak.


A Small Note on Historical (In)Accuracy

Thank you, Lisa. If I didn't think of you as a joyless scold before, I certainly do now.

Some may remember, but I don't insist much on historical accuracy from films. I don't expect history lessons from movies, but I do expect to be entertained.

Amadeus is bad history. Mozart had six kids, not one. Salieri didn't help Mozart write the Requiem. Salieri wasn't a celibate. There's so much in this film that's not historically accurate.

And yet, the movie is filtered through Salieri the character. It's a telling of the events through an unreliable narrator. It really gives the film credence to be as historically inaccurate as it wants to be. And, probably because of its complete disregard for actual history, the movie is a fantastic entertainment and explores what it means to be an artist.


Movies of Today

Opening in Theaters:
Ocean's 8
Hotel Artemis
Hereditary

Next in my Netflix Queue:
Angel

Movies I Saw This Week:
Submarine (Netflix Rating 3/5 | Quality Rating 2/4) Poster blurb: "90% quirk. 10% story. I was surprisingly disappointed." [Netflix DVD]
I, Tonya (Netflix Rating 4/5 | Quality Rating 3/4) "Interesting portrait of a woman against the system, even if I felt like it left a lot on the table about memory and truth." [HULU]
Bridge of Spies (Netflix Rating 4/5 | Quality Rating 3/4) "Effortlessly handsome production that deserves multiple viewings. I think." [Personal Collection]


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Comments

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1 We have movie sign!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 09, 2018 07:09 PM (JxMDl)

2 Hey TJM, thanks for yet another great movie thread. Again, it looks like we have somewhat similar tastes in flicks.

I'm kind of interested in Hereditary. Rogerebert.com gave it four stars, kinda rare for a horror flick.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 09, 2018 07:11 PM (eMKNe)

3 I liked Amadeus but haven't seen it in many many years

Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2018 07:11 PM (pHfeF)

4 Even though it got a right reaming by Rex Reed, I still feel somewhat compelled to see "Hotel Artemis".

Has anybody seen it yet?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 09, 2018 07:11 PM (JxMDl)

5 Have you done Amadeus previously? I seem to remember another thread about it, but it might have been part of an anthology thread and not its own.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 09, 2018 07:12 PM (fZuhk)

6 Falco is mort

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at June 09, 2018 07:13 PM (op4RT)

7 Have a movie question for this week:

What's the most bizarre thing that happens to a character in any horror flick you've seen? (And that's regardless of whether the flick itself was enjoyable or not.)

I've noticed, a lot of people will almost completely forego any sense of credibility watching a scary movie.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 09, 2018 07:13 PM (eMKNe)

8 I saw Amadeus once and loved it. That's enough for me.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2018 07:14 PM (yQpMk)

9 Just recently started to appreciate Mozart, and what makes him unique. I'll have to see the movie.

Posted by: kallisto at June 09, 2018 07:15 PM (ikJAZ)

10

Dammit.
I was in the dollar store the other day and saw a dvd of a Chinese action flick. But I forgot the name.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Follow and Lick Me On Fakebook at June 09, 2018 07:15 PM (5+8Pw)

11 What's the most bizarre thing that happens to a character in any horror flick you've seen? (And that's regardless of whether the flick itself was enjoyable or not.)



The priest guy getting his head chopped off by a sheet of glass in The Omen.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2018 07:15 PM (yQpMk)

12 7 Have a movie question for this week:

What's the most bizarre thing that happens to a character in any horror flick you've seen? (And that's regardless of whether the flick itself was enjoyable or not.)

I've noticed, a lot of people will almost completely forego any sense of credibility watching a scary movie.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 09, 2018 07:13 PM (eMKNe)

Death by gas powered trimmer in Friday the 13th part 6. My friends and I had a running tally of weapons used by Jason other than his trademark machete.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at June 09, 2018 07:15 PM (op4RT)

13 I did remember ( not anything exactly) that as a historical movie its crap. But as a military film buff I am quite use to that, to see something close to historical is the exemption not the rule.

Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2018 07:15 PM (pHfeF)

14 One of my favorites. Easily. Loved it since I saw it in middle school.

Posted by: Mike Yerian at June 09, 2018 07:15 PM (PjdRu)

15 You could see it coming and yet you just keep saying No Way.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2018 07:16 PM (yQpMk)

16

btw, so much for Corey Feldman and his big pedo scandal, eh?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Follow and Lick Me On Fakebook at June 09, 2018 07:16 PM (5+8Pw)

17 What's the most bizarre thing that happens to a character in any horror flick you've seen? (And that's regardless of whether the flick itself was enjoyable or not.)

This:

Teenaged boy to cute teen girl: "Looks like there's a deranged psycho axe murderer killing our friends one by one in this creepy old house we're stuck in. Let's have sex."

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader & Contributing Editor, Vanity Fair Magazine at June 09, 2018 07:16 PM (PNUbZ)

18 Don't know if I ever shared this, but I once thought of writing a remake of "Poltergeist"...

except the twist would be, the Freelings would be the all-time most hate-filled, crazy, inbred and dysfunctional family ever portrayed on screen. There'd be a scene where they go supermarket shopping and they shoot and kill anyone who looks at them funny, all while continuing their shopping.

I'd basically just play up the absurd comedy aspects of it to 12. I'd also make sure the boss ends up sucked into the void at the end of the film along with the Freeling house.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 09, 2018 07:17 PM (eMKNe)

19 Phila. Orchestra presented a screening of the movie with them playing the soundtrack live. How spectacular that must have been.

Posted by: kallisto at June 09, 2018 07:17 PM (ikJAZ)

20 Too many words.

Posted by: Emperor Joseph II at June 09, 2018 07:17 PM (FsRTQ)

21 Salieri's breakdown in the balcony might be my fav part.

Posted by: Mike Yerian at June 09, 2018 07:18 PM (PjdRu)

22 Even though it got a right reaming by Rex Reed, I still feel somewhat compelled to see "Hotel Artemis".



I want to see it because of the reaming.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2018 07:18 PM (yQpMk)

23 That glass decapitation has unsettled me for years, hardly can touch a large piece of glass and not think evil harm could come to me any second.

Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2018 07:18 PM (pHfeF)

24 5 Have you done Amadeus previously? I seem to remember another thread about it, but it might have been part of an anthology thread and not its own.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 09, 2018 07:12 PM (fZuhk)

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I put up a small tribute when Milos Forman died recently.

That may be what you're thinking of.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at June 09, 2018 07:18 PM (Jj43a)

25 Is it accurate that Mozart had that ridiculous squeal/giggle?

Posted by: kallisto at June 09, 2018 07:19 PM (ikJAZ)

26 Hate to start out on a down note but:


Eunice Gayson, the first Bond girl, has died aged 90


A story she tells from Dr. No:


"It came to take one, which was the first shot of the first day of the first film of the Bond series. I asked him who he was and he looked at me and I thought, 'Oh no, is he going to dry?' He said, 'The name is James Conn...eh.. cut!' Well, my goodness me, you can imagine the turmoil on the set," she said. "We had quite a few takes. I had never seen Sean as nervous."

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 09, 2018 07:19 PM (SiINZ)

27 20 Too many words.
Posted by: Emperor Joseph II at June 09, 2018 07:17 PM (FsRTQ)

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Which words should I cut?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at June 09, 2018 07:19 PM (Jj43a)

28 TJM, I remember recently seeing the clip of Amadeus where Salieri describes when his father died.

"And what should happen? A miracle!!..."

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 09, 2018 07:20 PM (eMKNe)

29 There is exactly the right number of words!

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2018 07:20 PM (yQpMk)

30 What's the most bizarre thing that happens to a character in any horror flick you've seen?

-
The guy getting tromboned to death in The Town That Dreaded Sundown.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 09, 2018 07:21 PM (+y/Ru)

31 28 TJM, I remember recently seeing the clip of Amadeus where Salieri describes when his father died.

"And what should happen? A miracle!!..."
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 09, 2018 07:20 PM (eMKNe)

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That is such a wonderful moment.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at June 09, 2018 07:21 PM (Jj43a)

32 What's the most bizarre thing that happens to a character in any horror flick you've seen? (And that's regardless of whether the flick itself was enjoyable or not.)
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 09, 2018 07:13 PM (eMKNe)


*sigh*

Do you WANT more Jacob's Ladder? Because questions like this are how you get more Jacob's Ladder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttcof7TQ-Mw

Posted by: hogmartin at June 09, 2018 07:21 PM (fZuhk)

33 Forgot to mention:

my hyperultraviolent "Poltergeist" remake? The soundtrack would consist entirely of John Denver songs...

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 09, 2018 07:21 PM (eMKNe)

34 Michael Caine was a big topic the other day and no one mentioned 'Harry Brown".

Posted by: Ben Had at June 09, 2018 07:21 PM (mkGQN)

35 I've been a fan of Amadeus for a long time. The LaserDisc box set (though annoyingly in CLV) remains a fixture on my shelf. In contrast to Apocalypse Now, this director's cut is an improvement over the theatrical release.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at June 09, 2018 07:21 PM (NL6wI)

36 Not a movie thing and I don't do the twitt but i just saw what Trump tweeted about the boy king of the frozen north.

Absolutely brutal. It seems the GSW ain't playing. At all.

Sorry about the OT but everyone needs to read it.

Posted by: weirdflunky at June 09, 2018 07:22 PM (yhYmR)

37 Michael Caine was a big topic the other day and no one mentioned 'Harry Brown".


You failed to maintain your weapon, son.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2018 07:23 PM (yQpMk)

38 Historical accuracy? I wondered if Constanze really called Mozart "Foofy".

Posted by: Hands at June 09, 2018 07:23 PM (EzdLW)

39 Mike, also the very ending of Amadeus, when Sal's being carted into the asylum. Great happy ending. ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 09, 2018 07:23 PM (eMKNe)

40 Its up there with Jaws and Treasure of the Sierra Madre as one of the greatest films of all time.



Posted by: Kreplach at June 09, 2018 07:23 PM (UfMVm)

41 I put up a small tribute when Milos Forman died recently.

That may be what you're thinking of.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at June 09, 2018 07:18 PM (Jj43a)


That could be it, but it seems like you did a writeup on it - maybe along with two other movies - when you were first starting to do the Movie Thread. Or else not, and I'm just imagining it.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 09, 2018 07:23 PM (fZuhk)

42 But who was Amadeus?

Posted by: Pickles at June 09, 2018 07:23 PM (O6j88)

43
That's a fortepiano, not a harpsichord.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 09, 2018 07:24 PM (LsBY9)

44 They should've cast Flounder as Salieri. That would've been a hoot. Or even better, Neidermeyer.

Posted by: tu3031 at June 09, 2018 07:25 PM (O5Q3r)

45 >>What's the most bizarre thing that happens to a character in any horror flick you've seen? (And that's regardless of whether the flick itself was enjoyable or not.)



In "The Skin I Live In"...uh, most of it. How about Antonio Banderas' character having sex with [the other main character]. The weirdo dressed like a leopard who does the home invasion part was bizarre, too.
Yeah, all of it.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 09, 2018 07:25 PM (W+vEI)

46 43
That's a fortepiano, not a harpsichord.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 09, 2018 07:24 PM (LsBY9)

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Confirmed. I am just the worst.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at June 09, 2018 07:25 PM (Jj43a)

47 42 But who was Amadeus?

Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart. It was his full name.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 09, 2018 07:25 PM (V2Yro)

48 Lizzy, I remember the previews for that one, The Skin I Live in.

Looked very fetishy.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 09, 2018 07:26 PM (eMKNe)

49 I thought Michael Caine was Harry Palmer.

The Ipcress File (1965), IMDb quotes

( Palmer and Dalby are attending a performance of a military band playing Mozart )

Palmer: Very neat. Must we sit through any more of this torture? I've got a lot of things to do.

Major Dalby: I think they're playing very well.

Palmer: Tell me who wins.

[ gets up and leaves ]

Posted by: Hands at June 09, 2018 07:26 PM (EzdLW)

50 What I've been watching today - one of the Starz channels has put on all 5 of the original Valerie Jarrett movies on, back to back. Er, I mean Planet of the Apes.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 09, 2018 07:26 PM (V2Yro)

51 I suspect Tom Hulce got cast as Mozart for this frat boy in Animal House.

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 09, 2018 07:26 PM (pV/54)

52

Anyone watch the movie I recommended You Were Never Really Here?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Follow and Lick Me On Fakebook at June 09, 2018 07:27 PM (5+8Pw)

53 Historically, Amadeus simply isn't true. Salieri and Mozart treated one another as colleagues. They probably were perfectly cordial to one another. The idea that Salieri killed Mozart out of jealousy started with Goethe, and he pulled it out of his nether fundament.

And it doesn't matter. As a film, Amadeus is glorious. I dragged my sister out to see it and she fell asleep, which was incomprehensible to me. I've seen it four times and loved it each time. Sure, there's huge artistic license and I don't care. Oh, and the fact that F. Murray Abraham won an Oscar is about the only smart thing that the Oscar committee did for thirty years before or after.

Posted by: joncelli, Deplorable Yet Fuzzy at June 09, 2018 07:27 PM (1FhAQ)

54 Most bizarre?

Ichi the Killer - the whole movie

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at June 09, 2018 07:27 PM (op4RT)

55 Grump. I grow fonder of you with every comment.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 09, 2018 07:27 PM (mkGQN)

56 25 Is it accurate that Mozart had that ridiculous squeal/giggle?

Posted by: kallisto at June 09, 2018 07:19 PM (ikJAZ)


I'm just going by memory here, but there was at least one historical account describing his laugh as being something that could cut glass.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at June 09, 2018 07:27 PM (NL6wI)

57 No, Mr. thejamesmadison, I expect you to be entertained!"

Posted by: Auteur Goldfinger at June 09, 2018 07:28 PM (DMUuz)

58 What's the most bizarre thing that happens to a character in any horror flick you've seen?


This is about us, isn't it?

Posted by: The Final Destination 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 at June 09, 2018 07:28 PM (EzdLW)

59 I read Philip K. Dick's "Second Variety" today so now I'm seeing "Screamers", very loosely based on the short story.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 09, 2018 07:29 PM (JxMDl)

60 Who else saw 'Ripley's Game" ? Harpsicords and all.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 09, 2018 07:30 PM (mkGQN)

61 Human Centipede, but don't go there

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 09, 2018 07:30 PM (pV/54)

62 Antonio Salieri is the protagonist of the film, and Mozart is the antagonist.



That's the guy who killed Mozart.

Moe, who?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 09, 2018 07:30 PM (SiINZ)

63 Saw Amadeus when it came out and loved it. Salieri's anguish was so real and dominated the film. I thought it was brilliant.

Posted by: t-bird at June 09, 2018 07:31 PM (wA0yZ)

64 I'm just going by memory here, but there was at least one historical account describing his laugh as being something that could cut glass.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at June 09, 2018 07:27 PM (NL6wI)
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I'm hearing Rich Evans' laugh in my mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xA9eNoN_9k

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 09, 2018 07:31 PM (JxMDl)

65 https://youtu.be/k1-TrAvp_xs
Mozart - Lacrimosa

Not on my usual playlist, mord a Boccherini guy.

And also see Diplomad 2.0 thoughts on President Trump and the G1 summit

Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2018 07:31 PM (pHfeF)

66 >>Looked very fetishy.

It's Pedro Almodovar at his weirdest.
"Talk To Her" was weird and sad (not horror), where "The Skin I Live In" is just the most bizarre revenge flick. And yet it probably couldn't be made today because of [a certain SJW demographic].
Don't want to spoil.

I watch movies I shouldn't when I have insomnia, and then regret it....

Posted by: Lizzy at June 09, 2018 07:32 PM (W+vEI)

67 I watched Amadeus in the theatre and liked it a lot but I haven't rewatched it so limited memory.

I rarely rewatch movies so I guess that means I'm not a true movie fan.

FWIW the only movies I've watched several times are The Great Escape, The Commitments, LOTR, The Princess Bride and The Last Waltz.

Pretty limited, I know.

Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at June 09, 2018 07:32 PM (nBr1j)

68 That's the guy who killed Mozart.

Moe, who?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 09, 2018 07:30 PM (SiINZ)


Wolf-Mo. Yo.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 09, 2018 07:32 PM (FsRTQ)

69 I am belatedly watching The Longest Day since it started raining here and drove me inside.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2018 07:33 PM (yQpMk)

70 Is there a list so far of the Top Ten?

Posted by: josephistan at June 09, 2018 07:33 PM (ANIFC)

71 Excellent post on Amadeus, TJM - I need to rewatch that one.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 09, 2018 07:33 PM (W+vEI)

72 Excellent post on Amadeus, TJM - I need to rewatch that one.
Posted by: Lizzy at June 09, 2018 07:33 PM (W+vEI)


Yes. I saw it ages ago but will now revisit it.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 09, 2018 07:34 PM (FsRTQ)

73 Lizzy, I just read the synopsis on Wiki. I understand whatcha mean. ;-)

The trailers and pics featured some actress in a unitard all the time.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 09, 2018 07:34 PM (eMKNe)

74 69 I am belatedly watching The Longest Day since it started raining here and drove me inside.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2018 07:33 PM (yQpMk)

That's what I plan on watching tonight as well.

Posted by: josephistan at June 09, 2018 07:34 PM (ANIFC)

75 Amadeus is bad history. Mozart had six kids, not one. Salieri didn't help Mozart write the Requiem. Salieri wasn't a celibate. There's so much in this film that's not historically accurate.

There's also the minor detail that Salieri didn't try to kill Mozart or even hamper his career. They were friendly colleagues who were very moderately competitive with each other. They even wrote a piece of music together.

I understand those for whom historical accuracy is not important, but Amadeus goes too far. Imagine being a sincere Christian and traveling 200 years into the future to find out that your name and identity is associated with hatred of God and your life story is associated with how unjust God is.

Posted by: Jim S. at June 09, 2018 07:35 PM (ynUnH)

76 61 Human Centipede, but don't go there

Oh my god yes. What frigging trip that was.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at June 09, 2018 07:35 PM (op4RT)

77 TheQuietMan: Awesome a "Last Action Hero" reference!

Posted by: Cybersmythe at June 09, 2018 07:35 PM (tGO9e)

78 Bought Band of Brothers and Guns of Navarone from B&N today. All the good movies are on sale for Father's Day

Posted by: josephistan at June 09, 2018 07:36 PM (ANIFC)

79 64 I'm hearing Rich Evans' laugh in my mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xA9eNoN_9k

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 09, 2018 07:31 PM (JxMDl)


Heh. I was -> <- that close to making a Rich Evans reference. That's pretty much why I gave up on the Pre Recorded livestreams. Also, Jack is insufferable.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at June 09, 2018 07:36 PM (NL6wI)

80 Er war Superstar
Er war populär
Er war so exaltiert
Because er hatte Flair
Er war ein Virtuose
Er war ein Rockidol
Und alles rief
Come and rock me Amadeus

Amadeus, Amadeus, oh oh Amadeus.
Come on and rock me Amadeus.

Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at June 09, 2018 07:37 PM (myjNJ)

81 I understand those for whom historical accuracy is not important, but Amadeus goes too far.

All I can say is that It's a movie.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2018 07:37 PM (yQpMk)

82 On Mozart's sense of humor - several of his friends recorded that he was widely known for enjoying, and retelling, the filthiest and raunchiest jokes that any of them had heard. (I would bet they're basically the same raunchy jokes we're telling today)

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 09, 2018 07:37 PM (V2Yro)

83 I understand those for whom historical accuracy is not important, but Amadeus goes too far. Imagine being a sincere Christian and traveling 200 years into the future to find out that your name and identity is associated with hatred of God and your life story is associated with how unjust God is.


Meh. Imagine being an English king and having everyone think some Scottish savage was dicking your wife!

Posted by: Edward II at June 09, 2018 07:37 PM (FsRTQ)

84


Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!
James Caan.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 09, 2018 07:38 PM (IqV8l)

85
70 Is there a list so far of the Top Ten?
Posted by: josephistan at June 09, 2018 07:33 PM (ANIFC)

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Here's my list in it's entirety:

2001: A Space Odyssey
Amadeus
Apocalypse Now
Au Revoir Les Enfants
Casablanca
Duck Soup
The Last Temptation of Christ
The Lord of the Rings
The Passion of Joan of Arc
The Thin Red Line

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at June 09, 2018 07:38 PM (Jj43a)

86 I remember Mark Steyn writing about a revival of "Amadeus" being staged next to whatever Andrew Lloyd Webber's newest musical was: "In the one theatre there's a play about an old composer who can't stop farting, and in the other a play by an old fart that can't stop composing."

Posted by: josephistan at June 09, 2018 07:38 PM (ANIFC)

87 The Thin Red Line ?!

The horror, the horror.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2018 07:39 PM (yQpMk)

88 I checked a movie out of the library today, an Israeli comedy called "Zero Motivation" about four female soldiers at a remote outpost in the desert, bored out of their minds. It's supposed to be very funny.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 09, 2018 07:39 PM (JxMDl)

89 Re the talk about Amadeus' plot versus the 'real story;"

I admit that if I ever get to be a pro writer/director/producer in Hollywood, I want to write stories involving characters, that have the very same names and characteristics as people I've actually known as had relationships with.

But, will the stories be based on what actually happened to me, or them, in reality? No, not at all. In fact I expect to spend a lot of time explaining just that.

One idea I have in particular, takes the name and likeness of not just one but two people I knew and had good relationships with, and turns them into characters they never were in real life.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 09, 2018 07:39 PM (eMKNe)

90 I have to say, one of the most glorious soprano pieces you can ever hear is to hear the signature piece "Queen of the Night", by a singer who has the range and force to do it as it was meant to be done. Mozart treats the Human Voice as the most glorious orchestral instrument of them all!

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 09, 2018 07:40 PM (V2Yro)

91 >>>What's the most bizarre thing that happens to a character in any horror flick you've seen?


Morgan Freeman's eyebrows in "Dreamcatcher."
They don't do anything, but they are a distraction.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 09, 2018 07:40 PM (W+vEI)

92 What's the most bizarre thing that happens to a character in any horror flick you've seen? (And that's regardless of whether the flick itself was enjoyable or not.)

Tetsuo: The Iron Man. There's numerous scenes that are just bizarre. It's an absurdist horror film. Very interesting. It has two sequels that I haven't yet watched, Tetsuo: Body Hammer and Tetsuo: Bullet Man.

Posted by: Jim S. at June 09, 2018 07:40 PM (ynUnH)

93 Imagine being a sincere Christian and traveling 200 years into the future to find out that your name and identity is associated with hatred of God and your life story is associated with how unjust God is.

On the other hand, this sincere Christian is famous again and these rebuttals are also known to everybody. I think he made out ok.

Posted by: t-bird at June 09, 2018 07:40 PM (K2jyi)

94 82 On Mozart's sense of humor - several of his friends recorded that he was widely known for enjoying, and retelling, the filthiest and raunchiest jokes that any of them had heard. (I would bet they're basically the same raunchy jokes we're telling today)
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 09, 2018 07:37 PM (V2Yro)


die Aristokraten!

Posted by: josephistan at June 09, 2018 07:40 PM (ANIFC)

95 Another Best Picture winner that takes real people and situations, and basically REALLY takes liberties with 'the facts,' is A Man For All Seasons.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 09, 2018 07:41 PM (eMKNe)

96 87 The Thin Red Line ?!

The horror, the horror.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2018 07:39 PM (yQpMk)

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Soon, we'll have a post that only celebrates it.

Gird your loins.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at June 09, 2018 07:41 PM (Jj43a)

97 die Aristokraten!


I snorted out loud.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2018 07:41 PM (yQpMk)

98 Too many notes.

Posted by: The King at June 09, 2018 07:41 PM (7r7SS)

99 85
70 Is there a list so far of the Top Ten?
Posted by: josephistan at June 09, 2018 07:33 PM (ANIFC)

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Here's my list in it's entirety:

2001: A Space Odyssey
Amadeus
Apocalypse Now
Au Revoir Les Enfants
Casablanca
Duck Soup
The Last Temptation of Christ
The Lord of the Rings
The Passion of Joan of Arc
The Thin Red Line
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at June 09, 2018 07:38 PM (Jj43a)

Only seen 4 of the 10.

Posted by: josephistan at June 09, 2018 07:42 PM (ANIFC)

100 One idea I have in particular, takes the name and likeness of not just one but two people I knew and ...

Sort of a composite, would you say?

Posted by: Barry Obama at June 09, 2018 07:42 PM (K2jyi)

101 All Hail Eris, Try Ushpizin. and then The Band. Great Israeli movies.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 09, 2018 07:42 PM (mkGQN)

102 Soon, we'll have a post that only celebrates it.


Literally, the only part I enjoyed was Sean Penn blowing his ass off.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2018 07:42 PM (yQpMk)

103 95 Another Best Picture winner that takes real people and situations, and basically REALLY takes liberties with 'the facts,' is A Man For All Seasons.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 09, 2018 07:41 PM (eMKNe)

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Another great one.

With some great speeches.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at June 09, 2018 07:43 PM (Jj43a)

104 Barry, kinda.

They stay two separate people in the story.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 09, 2018 07:43 PM (eMKNe)

105 Shakespeare's plays were "historically inaccurate" too, but some of the greatest art ever produced.

Not saying Amadeus is on that level, but historical accuracy can be vastly overrated.

So whoever Lisa is, she's wrong.

Posted by: MARIELLE Hammett Kronberg at June 09, 2018 07:43 PM (N9ikX)

106 22 Even though it got a right reaming by Rex Reed, I still feel somewhat compelled to see "Hotel Artemis".



I want to see it because of the reaming.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2018 07:18 PM (yQpMk

It has a bleached asshole

(let's see who gets that reference)

Posted by: josephistan at June 09, 2018 07:43 PM (ANIFC)

107 JFK, or for that matter, any movie by Oliver Stone plays fast loose with the facts.

Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at June 09, 2018 07:43 PM (nBr1j)

108 The Thin Red Line ?!

The horror, the horror.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2018 07:39 PM (yQpMk)


I haven't really got an opinion on TTRL one way or another. Because I couldn't make it twenty minutes into it.

I'm VERY interested in reading the post, especially given that it's in TJM's top ten.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 09, 2018 07:43 PM (fZuhk)

109 None would make my top ten. Most would make my top 100. Funny how that works.

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 09, 2018 07:43 PM (pV/54)

110 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Motivation

Does sound like it could be funny

Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2018 07:44 PM (pHfeF)

111 TJM, both Paul Scofield and Robert Shaw are great in it.

Robert Shaw in particular; he's not in A Man For All Seasons for very long at all, but when he is... wow. Talk about presence, to say the least.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 09, 2018 07:44 PM (eMKNe)

112 Gird your loins.

I guess I look forward to you trying to expound on the good qualities of that stinking pile of boring offal.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2018 07:44 PM (yQpMk)

113 Of your list TJM I have seen.......
Duck Soup.
That's it. I love that movie and I have always considered it to be the funniest movie ever.
Now why isn't Jaws on your list?
Or John Wayne?

Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at June 09, 2018 07:44 PM (myjNJ)

114 105
So whoever Lisa is, she's wrong.
Posted by: MARIELLE Hammett Kronberg at June 09, 2018 07:43 PM (N9ikX)

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That's weird.

I guess pixy didn't like the embed.

It was Lisa Simpson chiding the movie for being historically inaccurate.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at June 09, 2018 07:45 PM (Jj43a)

115 "One idea I have in particular, takes the name and likeness of not just one but two people I knew and had good relationships with, and turns them into characters they never were in real life."

There's a long history of writers (and artists in general) putting those they know into their work. One of the funniest I've heard of happened after Charles Dickens hosted Hans Christian Anderson at his house. Started off great, but then Anderson wouldn't leave, kept eating all of Dicken's food and in general sponging off him, and a week went by, then 2, then a month, and Dickens began to despair of ever getting rid of him, and became extremely irritated with him.

Dickens was writing David Copperfield at the time, and he retaliated by creating the character of Uriah Heep, which everyone who knew him said was a perfect description, in looks and in manner, of Anderson. So that's how writers get their revenge.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 09, 2018 07:45 PM (V2Yro)

116 I liked JFK, a lot. Actually, I've enjoyed lots of Oliver Stone movies.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2018 07:46 PM (yQpMk)

117 113 Of your list TJM I have seen.......
Duck Soup.
That's it. I love that movie and I have always considered it to be the funniest movie ever.
Now why isn't Jaws on your list?
Or John Wayne?
Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at June 09, 2018 07:44 PM (myjNJ)

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Or Kurosawa, Chaplin, Tarkovsky, Fellini?

I am just the worst.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at June 09, 2018 07:46 PM (Jj43a)

118 Who's Lisa?

Posted by: squeakywheel at June 09, 2018 07:46 PM (9zG5C)

119 Tom Servo, exactly. ;-)

The funny thing is, I want to keep the real names. (Which I admit may not be possible.) You all can imagine at least one of the people I'm talking about.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 09, 2018 07:46 PM (eMKNe)

120 I have a machete.

Posted by: Tony Curtis at June 09, 2018 07:47 PM (7r7SS)

121 Oh, movie-loving Horde.
Here I sit, alone on a Saturday night, with complete control of the horizontal and the vertical.
What movie shall I watch tonight. Help!

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2018 07:47 PM (+n4DQ)

122 TJM, LOL.

No worries. There's whole categories of directors I doubt I'll ever have the time to get to, in my collection or on my 'to-watch' list.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 09, 2018 07:47 PM (eMKNe)

123 I had a friend in college who used my real name as his DJ name. I was not happy about it.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2018 07:48 PM (yQpMk)

124 121 Oh, movie-loving Horde.
Here I sit, alone on a Saturday night, with complete control of the horizontal and the vertical.
What movie shall I watch tonight. Help!
Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2018 07:47 PM (+n4DQ)

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Amadeus

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at June 09, 2018 07:48 PM (Jj43a)

125 That is one of my favorite movies of all time-"A Man For All Seasons" and I quite liked Amadeus, but couldn't stand Mozart's laugh as accurate as it might have been-and I felt sorry for the way Salieri was treated. It makes for a compelling story-, however all the inaccuracies.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 09, 2018 07:48 PM (0/+vJ)

126 RI Red, have you seen Ex Machina?

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 09, 2018 07:48 PM (eMKNe)

127 What movie shall I watch tonight. Help!
Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2018 07:47 PM (+n4DQ)


Meet me halfway, man, at least offer up a broad genre for starters?

Posted by: hogmartin at June 09, 2018 07:48 PM (fZuhk)

128 What movie shall I watch tonight. Help!


The Fountain.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2018 07:48 PM (yQpMk)

129 There's a whole discussion at Quora btw, about whether or not the character of Ava (the cyborg girl) in Ex Machina, is evil or not.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 09, 2018 07:48 PM (eMKNe)

130 no, no ... Predestination.


That one's a mindbender.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2018 07:49 PM (yQpMk)

131 I have seen that whole list, Casablanca and maybe LoTR makes a top 25 for me. Not sure which of the 3 LoTR we are talking or all 3 or 1st.

Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2018 07:49 PM (pHfeF)

132 Skip, Indy about to start on NBCSN. These cars are entirely too fast for this kind of track. Texas Motor Speedway. Way too fast.

Posted by: weirdflunky at June 09, 2018 07:49 PM (yhYmR)

133 Movies qdpsteve would recommend right now:

- Ex Machina
- The Conversation
- 2001 (duh)
- Scarlet Street (if you're in the mood for noir)
- The Wild Bunch

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 09, 2018 07:49 PM (eMKNe)

134 What movie shall I watch tonight. Help!


I hear Hotel Artemis still has prime seats available.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 09, 2018 07:49 PM (FsRTQ)

135
It was Lisa Simpson chiding the movie for being historically inaccurate.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at June 09, 2018 07:45 PM (Jj43a)

LOL. I thought it was someone from the horde who had written to you to express their displeasure.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 09, 2018 07:49 PM (0/+vJ)

136 Mozart had six kids, not one. Salieri didn't help Mozart write the Requiem. Salieri wasn't a celibate. There's so much in this film that's not historically accurate.

And yet that's so little. None of those help or hurt the story.

Salieri is like Wile E. Coyote except that he clearly admires and envies Mozart. I like that twist.

Posted by: t-bird at June 09, 2018 07:50 PM (wszSn)

137 116 I liked JFK, a lot. Actually, I've enjoyed lots of Oliver Stone movies.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2018 07:46 PM (yQpMk)

Try watching JFK without the sound and you will see the story Stone is trying to tell.

Posted by: Pickles at June 09, 2018 07:50 PM (O6j88)

138 I've only seen 5 of TJM's 10.

*hangs head in shame*

I recently came across The Thin Red Line on cable, in the middle of the movie, and saw some of it but lost interest. Nick Nolte was chewing the scenery. And it has Sean Penn. I cannot abide Sean Penn except as Jeff Spicoli.

Last Temptation of Christ? Hell no.

Au Revoir Les Enfants looks like it's worth a watch, though.

Posted by: Hands at June 09, 2018 07:50 PM (EzdLW)

139 Genre - Entertain Me!
Yes, as to Ex Machina and Amadeus. What's the Fountain about?

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2018 07:50 PM (+n4DQ)

140 Judge Orders God To Break Up Into Smaller Deities

http://bit.ly/2sJ2Cr5

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2018 07:50 PM (yQpMk)

141 Michael Caine was a big topic the other day and no one mentioned 'Harry Brown".
Posted by: Ben Had at June 09, 2018 07:21 PM (mkGQN)


Isn't that the movie in which he plays on old, retired British combat vet? A gang of yoots are terrorizing the normal people in the housing development and it's all fun and games until the gang kills one of Brown's pensioner buddies. It's a little bit like Death Wish but with guns only being available illegally (but still available for purchase) and Brown ultimately discovers the leader of the gang isn't who he suspected.

Good, taught movie but the public housing certainly seems bleak (probably because it is).

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 09, 2018 07:50 PM (5Yee7)

142 watched Death Wish (Willis) and 5:17 to Paris yesterday
watching Red Sparrow now

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 09, 2018 07:51 PM (hMwEB)

143 Another Best Picture winner that takes real people and situations, and basically REALLY takes liberties with 'the facts,' is A Man For All Seasons.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 09, 2018 07:41 PM (eMKNe)



I think all historical movies take liberties including one of my favorites - Zulu. The Private Hook character was portrayed as kind of a shirker but was actually a model soldier. The story is his daughter was so offended by how he was portrayed she walked out of the movie. (No idea on how old she must have been)

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 09, 2018 07:51 PM (SiINZ)

144 RI Red - 13 Hours

Posted by: Ben Had at June 09, 2018 07:51 PM (mkGQN)

145 Naw TJM you're the awesome sauce. I was just teasing about jaws and jw. I have simple tastes in movies and I don't tend to watch a lot of stuff others consider classic. There's a bunch of stuff people tell me I should watch but I'm picky. No offense intended with my little jest.

Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at June 09, 2018 07:52 PM (myjNJ)

146 The kid getting impaled on the wrought iron fence in Spellbound haunted me for years.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 09, 2018 07:52 PM (+y/Ru)

147 Does anyone here (esp. OM or other film buffs) have an opinion about Cloud Atlas? I've seen it once, but it really seems like it's the rare film that you really have to watch multiple times to appreciate.

Posted by: Apostate at June 09, 2018 07:52 PM (z2FAZ)

148
The first episode of The Saint tonight guest stars a young and probably drunk Oliver Reed

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 09, 2018 07:52 PM (SiINZ)

149 I have western, war, even now caper movie list, but as a general top 10 movie list I have no clue.

Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2018 07:52 PM (pHfeF)

150 131 I have seen that whole list, Casablanca and maybe LoTR makes a top 25 for me. Not sure which of the 3 LoTR we are talking or all 3 or 1st.
Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2018 07:49 PM (pHfeF)

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It's all one movie.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at June 09, 2018 07:52 PM (Jj43a)

151 I never liked Mozart's music. It was too high pitched and all his songs sound the same.

Posted by: ALH at June 09, 2018 07:53 PM (2vdM0)

152 Ben Had, 13 Hours, I walked out at the end swearing.

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2018 07:53 PM (+n4DQ)

153 Posted by: qdpsteve at June 09, 2018 07:41 PM (eMKNe)


Yes, but I love Paul Scofield and enjoy a number of the writings of More so I didn't care. ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 09, 2018 07:53 PM (0/+vJ)

154 What's the Fountain about?


I watched it and I wasn't sure if it was a really good movie, or a really bad movie, so I ask ed my wife to watch it and render an opinion. In response to my Spock eyebrow at the end she said 'I can't believe you made me watch a two hour metaphor about death.'.


On the plus side, it has Rachel Weiz in it three times.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2018 07:53 PM (yQpMk)

155 I never liked Mozart's music. It was too high pitched and all his songs sound the same.


Also, too many notes.

Posted by: Amy Schumer at June 09, 2018 07:53 PM (FsRTQ)

156 The Fountain.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2018 07:48 PM (yQpMk)
--

I just got this in the mail!

Eh, mebbe later. Back to the cheez.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 09, 2018 07:53 PM (JxMDl)

157 I noticed an historical inaccuracy or two in Inglourious Basterds.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 09, 2018 07:53 PM (+y/Ru)

158 #36 How dare you and your president attack MY prime minister, weirdflunky! Justin had a medical emergency today!
Bastards.
https://twitter.com/stephen_taylor/status/
1005518821942161408

Posted by: barack hussein obama at June 09, 2018 07:53 PM (Evws/)

159 Top Ten is too short a list for movies, books, songs, albums. For Top Ten I'd have too many moving in and out.

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 09, 2018 07:54 PM (pV/54)

160 145 Naw TJM you're the awesome sauce. I was just teasing about jaws and jw. I have simple tastes in movies and I don't tend to watch a lot of stuff others consider classic. There's a bunch of stuff people tell me I should watch but I'm picky. No offense intended with my little jest.
Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at June 09, 2018 07:52 PM (myjNJ)

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I didn't think you were going hard.

I was just trying to respond in kind.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at June 09, 2018 07:54 PM (Jj43a)

161 137 116 I liked JFK, a lot. Actually, I've enjoyed lots of Oliver Stone movies.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2018 07:46 PM (yQpMk)

Try watching JFK without the sound and you will see the story Stone is trying to tell.
Posted by: Pickles at June 09, 2018 07:50 PM (O6j8

His films are often well made and enjoyable but I struggle get past who he is.

Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at June 09, 2018 07:54 PM (nBr1j)

162 Fenelon, same here. I would only hope More was really like he was portrayed in that film.

Also, one of the all-time great endings. Director Fred Zinneman's use of the various nature shots just before the last scene is particularly masterful.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 09, 2018 07:54 PM (eMKNe)

163 >>Genre - Entertain Me!


Oh, great, someone just said 13 Hours - that's an excellent suggestion.

A really great crime investigation movie is "The Secret In Their Eyes" - but you have to watch the original Argentinian version, not the hideously bad remake with Julia Roberts.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 09, 2018 07:54 PM (W+vEI)

164 Retired Buckeye Cop. That's the one. Good and good acting. The young hood plays a good cop in "The Sweeney"

Posted by: Ben Had at June 09, 2018 07:55 PM (mkGQN)

165 Posted by: qdpsteve at June 09, 2018 07:54 PM (eMKNe)

I noticed that the last time i watched it too-the nature shots.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 09, 2018 07:55 PM (0/+vJ)

166 146, I saw a picture once of a kid in a eastern big city who had one of those iron spear fence right through his mouth and out his cheek, alive and going no where.

Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2018 07:55 PM (pHfeF)

167 The Fountain:
Death Metaphor v. Rachel Weisz
Thank you, Horde! BBL!

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2018 07:56 PM (+n4DQ)

168 Salieri is like Wile E. Coyote except that he clearly admires and envies Mozart. I like that twist.
Posted by: t-bird at June 09, 2018 07:50 PM



He was one of our best customers!

Posted by: ACME Harpsichords at June 09, 2018 07:56 PM (EzdLW)

169 159 Top Ten is too short a list for movies, books, songs, albums. For Top Ten I'd have too many moving in and out.
Posted by: Ignoramus at June 09, 2018 07:54 PM (pV/54)

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It's why I insist on never revisiting it.

I made it about 12 years ago, and I just will not change it.

A fear is that I'll revisit one and end up not liking it. What do I do then?!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at June 09, 2018 07:56 PM (Jj43a)

170 Seems like every Julia Roberts performance is predicated around her trying to tell the audience: "Don'tcha all just LOVE me?!? Don'tcha all just wanna MAKE LOVE to me???!! Don't tell me you don't!!" :-P

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 09, 2018 07:56 PM (eMKNe)

171 129 There's a whole discussion at Quora btw, about whether or not the character of Ava (the cyborg girl) in Ex Machina, is evil or not.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 09, 2018 07:48 PM (eMKNe)

Yes. Created and nurtured by man.

Posted by: Pickles at June 09, 2018 07:56 PM (O6j88)

172 Fenelon, yup.

I personally think it was meant, kinda/sorta, as God's POV of the events in the final scene.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 09, 2018 07:57 PM (eMKNe)

173 Speaking of movies in multiple simultaneous timelines, who besides me liked Cloud Atlas?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2018 07:57 PM (yQpMk)

174 A fear is that I'll revisit one and end up not liking it. What do I do then?!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at June 09, 2018 07:56 PM (Jj43a)


Have you ever had a hamster up your ass? It doesn't solve anything, but...

Posted by: Richard Gere at June 09, 2018 07:57 PM (FsRTQ)

175 Singing in the Rain and A Clockwork Orange always make my Top Ten.

Go figure.

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 09, 2018 07:58 PM (pV/54)

176 watching Red Sparrow now
Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 09, 2018 07:51 PM (hMwEB)


Let us know your verdict on that movie. The novel is great but I'm not particularly a fan of Jennifer Lawrence.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 09, 2018 07:58 PM (5Yee7)

177 There's a scene in Cat People, with Nastassia Kinsky and Malcolm Macdowell that stayed with me a long time.

Memory has faded but Macdowell, as a leopard, devours somebody. He comes to, as a man to find a piece of flesh on his belly, which he pops into his mouth. Stayed with me.

Putting Out Fire With Gasoline is my favourite David Bowie song.

Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at June 09, 2018 07:58 PM (nBr1j)

178 LoTR is 1 movie but as it goes on and diverted from the books starts to go down for me. I guess historical can be real facts or following a real book.

Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2018 07:58 PM (pHfeF)

179 Posted by: barack hussein obama at June 09, 2018 07:53 PM (Evws/)

Barky, wth was that? Are those eyebrows real?

Posted by: weirdflunky at June 09, 2018 07:58 PM (yhYmR)

180 "Try watching JFK without the sound"

So, without all the lies?

Posted by: Apostate at June 09, 2018 07:58 PM (z2FAZ)

181
This week I watched 'Lucy' with Scarlet Johansson. Can't talk much about it without spoiling it. But the moral of the story seemed to be - do drugs, expand your mind, become one with the universe and you will be granted great powers.

It was ok, but I wouldn't spend a lot of money on it.

Also watched Deathwish with Bruce Willis who is no Charles Bronson. Nothing new in it.

I liked Amadeus. Only saw it once.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at June 09, 2018 07:59 PM (roQNm)

182 Ignoramus, I not that long ago read that Gene Kelly was at a party in London in the 1970s when Stanley Kubrick showed up, and that it took Kelly every bit of emotional discipline he had, not to scream at and/or assault Stanley for using 'Singin' in the Rain' in A Clockwork Orange.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 09, 2018 07:59 PM (eMKNe)

183 Genre - Entertain Me!
Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2018 07:50 PM (+n4DQ)


The Caine Mutiny
WarGames
The North Face/Nordwand
Primer


On the plus side, it has Rachel Weiz in it three times.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2018 07:53 PM (yQpMk)


*bites lower lip, dabs brow*

Posted by: hogmartin at June 09, 2018 07:59 PM (fZuhk)

184 TJM, are these top 10 your 10 favorite films personally, or are they the 10 best ever made in your opinion?

Posted by: Hands at June 09, 2018 07:59 PM (EzdLW)

185 The chick robot in Ex Machina doesn't have a soul. Digital can never beat really good analog.

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 09, 2018 07:59 PM (pV/54)

186 Always had a soft spot for Amadeus ... not only did I thoroughly enjoy it as a movie, seeing it was the first date - date for the future Mrs Eez and I.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 09, 2018 07:59 PM (GNCPT)

187 I'll watch Red Sparrow if there is scenes with JLaw's boobehs.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 09, 2018 08:00 PM (t6WbA)

188 I am sorry you all, but gotta take off for dinner.

Hope to be back within 90 minutes, I want to continue this conversation. I'll review comments at the time. Love these threads!!

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 09, 2018 08:00 PM (eMKNe)

189 A fear is that I'll revisit one and end up not liking it. What do I do then?!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at June 09, 2018 07:56 PM (Jj43a)

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(Pictures TJM in hall of mirrors clutching copies of "Ed Wood" and "Pink Flamingos" shouting "Who am I? Who am I??!)

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 09, 2018 08:00 PM (JxMDl)

190 t's why I insist on never revisiting it.

I made it about 12 years ago, and I just will not change it.

A fear is that I'll revisit one and end up not liking it. What do I do then?!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at June 09, 2018 07:56 PM (Jj43a)


Psst.? If this happened replace everything with John Wayne.. wink

Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at June 09, 2018 08:01 PM (myjNJ)

191 RE: Amadeus

The glaring deficiency of the miscast actress who plays Mozart's wife hurts the film a lot. It's so awful I couldn't just ignore it.

Doing violence to historical accuracy is a hallowed Hollywood tradition. The only question is, how bad will it be? Will Custer & J.E.B. Stuart be standing shoulder-to-shoulder, fighting John Brown in Kansas? ("The Santa Fe Trail")

If it's not THAT degree of bad, I'can turn a blind eye.

Posted by: strawdog at June 09, 2018 08:01 PM (Cssks)

192 Historians and costumers have remarked on how god-awful those white wigs were in Amadeus. A more accurate portrayal of 1700's wigs were in Barry Lyndon.

Posted by: Semi-engaged Scroller at June 09, 2018 08:01 PM (RfnqA)

193 189 A fear is that I'll revisit one and end up not liking it. What do I do then?!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at June 09, 2018 07:56 PM (Jj43a)

----
(Pictures TJM in hall of mirrors clutching copies of "Ed Wood" and "Pink Flamingos" shouting "Who am I? Who am I??!)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 09, 2018 08:00 PM (JxMDl)

=======

Where are the cameras?!?!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at June 09, 2018 08:01 PM (Jj43a)

194 The chick robot in Ex Machina doesn't have a soul. Digital can never beat really good analog.


As Boy928 pointed out, there seems to be a scene or bit of dialog missing from the theatrical edit that really needs to be there. Maybe the director's cut has it.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2018 08:01 PM (yQpMk)

195 #158 Shit. Sock off.

Posted by: andycanuck at June 09, 2018 08:01 PM (Evws/)

196 I love The Great Escape, even though there are no Canadians in the movie, unlike the actual camp.
Doesn't bother me. I love the movie.

Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at June 09, 2018 08:02 PM (nBr1j)

197 I read somewhere that Red Sparrow has some sexual abuse in it?

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at June 09, 2018 08:03 PM (roQNm)

198 Wolf-Mo. Yo.

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If Mozart was alive today, his first album would have been Doggy Style.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 09, 2018 08:03 PM (+y/Ru)

199 Always had a soft spot for Amadeus ... not only did I thoroughly enjoy it as a movie, seeing it was the first date - date for the future Mrs Eez and I.

I have the same feeling for All that Jazz for the same reason. Though it wasn't our very first date. That was Fritz the Cat with a group at the drive in.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2018 08:03 PM (yQpMk)

200 Bridge of spies had serious problems. In my opinion.

Posted by: Max Power at June 09, 2018 08:03 PM (QCc6B)

201 Posted by: andycanuck at June 09, 2018 08:01 PM (Evws/)

Same question I just axed Mcfugstik

Posted by: weirdflunky at June 09, 2018 08:04 PM (yhYmR)

202 Word is that Singing in the Rain was an ad lib. Stanley told Malcolm "sing a song."

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 09, 2018 08:04 PM (pV/54)

203 I love The Great Escape, even though there are no Canadians in the movie, unlike the actual camp.

I hear there's an all-Canadian version of Ghostbusters in the works.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 09, 2018 08:04 PM (FsRTQ)

204 Didn't James Garner play a Canadian in the RAF?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 09, 2018 08:04 PM (NmXoG)

205 203 I love The Great Escape, even though there are no Canadians in the movie, unlike the actual camp.

I hear there's an all-Canadian version of Ghostbusters in the works.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 09, 2018 08:04 PM (FsRTQ)

Thanks, but no thanks eh.

Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at June 09, 2018 08:04 PM (nBr1j)

206 I saw 'A Quiet Place'. I liked it and I'm interested to see if any sequel comes of it.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 09, 2018 08:05 PM (6FqZa)

207 Great clips, TJM !

Mozart vs. Salieri was particurlarly good !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 09, 2018 08:05 PM (GNCPT)

208 JFK irks me because not only is it incredibly inaccurate, it is actually a set of malevolent lies, constantly refrained, that too many of it's viewers took to heart as the truth. I had the lovely experience of family members "explaining" how JFK was the victim of a gigantic conspiracy, using the movie to defend their argument.

The movie ends up being something closer to truther nonsense or Michael Moore's ravings than a film to me.

Posted by: Sjg at June 09, 2018 08:05 PM (gDSJf)

209 When I first saw Amadeus, I was struck by Abraham's voice and diction. I thought that it was one of the best performances I could remember. I had never seen him in anything before, but later found out he was one of the Fruit of the Loom guys.

My daughter and I watch it over Christmas.

Also, on Svengoolie is Mole People with Ward Cleaver.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at June 09, 2018 08:05 PM (+Tibp)

210 204 Didn't James Garner play a Canadian in the RAF?
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 09, 2018 08:04 PM (NmXoG)

I thought his character was an American pilot, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if I'm wrong.

Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at June 09, 2018 08:06 PM (nBr1j)

211 Imagine being a sincere Christian and traveling 200 years into the
future to find out that your name and identity is associated with hatred
of God and your life story is associated with how unjust God is.
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Tell me about it!

Posted by: zombie sgt. (ret.) henry hooke, v.c. at June 09, 2018 08:06 PM (Evws/)

212 I love The Great Escape, even though there are no Canadians in the movie, unlike the actual camp.
Doesn't bother me. I love the movie.
Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at June 09, 2018 08:02 PM



Canadian actors or characters? James Garner plays a Canadian in the movie

Posted by: Hands at June 09, 2018 08:06 PM (EzdLW)

213 OT okay?

Someone ask about a Belmont side by side analysis - Justify vs The Big Horse.

Justify 2:28+ / The Big Horse 2:24

The Big Horse by 20+ lengths.

Ponder that. Will there ever be another?

Posted by: phaedrus at June 09, 2018 08:06 PM (4CSs/)

214 I hear there's an all-Canadian version of Ghostbusters in the works.

We see what you did there.

Posted by: dan ackroyd and rick moranis at June 09, 2018 08:06 PM (6FqZa)

215 The seventies are considered by many to be the Silver Age of Cinema.
Chinatown, the 2 Godfather movies, One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest, Annie Hall, Taxi Driver, The French Connection, American Graffiti, The Exorcist, Rocky, Dog Day Afternoon, The Last Picture Show, Barry Lyndon, Patton, The Conversation...

Posted by: Semi-engaged Scroller at June 09, 2018 08:07 PM (RfnqA)

216 There's another scene in the Cat People remake that got me. When the guy gets his arm ripped off by the panther in the cage.

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 09, 2018 08:07 PM (pV/54)

217 Let us know your verdict on that movie. The novel is great but I'm not particularly a fan of Jennifer Lawrence.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 09, 2018 07:58 PM (5Yee7)

so far it's pretty good as a spy thriller
a bit too sexually graphic for me but not gratuitous

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 09, 2018 08:07 PM (hMwEB)

218 On the question of historical accuracy, I agree that artists should be given considerable leeway.

Hey, even a "historical" movie that descends into tinfoil-hat lunacy may have artistic merit. (Oliver Stone's JFK comes to mind.)

But I have to admit I just can't get past the false characterizations of Mozart (pagan! rebellious! libertine!) and Salieri (prude! devout! goody-goody!) in Amadeus.

It's not just that legions of movie watchers actually believe that Mozart was an impious brat. It's that the
cartoonish distortions make BOTH characters so unsympathetic.

I think the study in envy would have been much better using characters more like the real Mozart and Salieri.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 09, 2018 08:07 PM (0jtPF)

219 You spoke of the historical inaccuracy of the movie and that is true. For instance, it was Joseph Haydn's supposed comment to Mozart's father Leopold that Salieri paraphrased to Mozart, "Before God I swear - your son is the greatest composer known to me."

But, the entire premise of the original play and movie is that Salieri had something to do with Mozart's death. While probably not true, it was a rumor in Vienna after Mozart's death. In fact, Salieri supposedly said on his death bed that he didn't kill Mozart because the rumor had gained a life of its own. To make a great play and movie out of this historical tidbit, along with the incredible costuming, scenery, and, especially, the music is what separates hacks from artists.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 09, 2018 08:07 PM (9BLnV)

220 A more accurate portrayal of 1700's wigs were in Barry Lyndon.
Posted by: Semi-engaged Scroller at June 09, 2018 08:01 PM (RfnqA)


I seem to recall that Barry Lyndon has probably the most realistic 18th infantry firefight ever filmed. I think this is the movie that has the opposing troops properly arrayed in line-of-battle and trading musket volleys.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 09, 2018 08:08 PM (5Yee7)

221 Great Escape's big inaccuracy was having Americans in the camp, there were none. McQueen and Garner were added in there to sell the movie.

Posted by: Sjg at June 09, 2018 08:08 PM (gDSJf)

222 Is this a movie about Presdent Obama ????

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at June 09, 2018 08:08 PM (qM84C)

223 There's another scene in the Cat People remake that got me. When the guy gets his arm ripped off by the panther in the cage.
Posted by: Ignoramus at June 09, 2018 08:07 PM



That's the scene I remember too. And it being Ed Begley Jr makes it even more fun.

Posted by: Hands at June 09, 2018 08:08 PM (EzdLW)

224 Naked Nastassia Kinsky stayed with me for a while as well.

Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at June 09, 2018 08:09 PM (nBr1j)

225 Red Sparrow is poorly directed. It's really slack at times. Hitchcock would have killed it rolling out of bed.

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 09, 2018 08:10 PM (pV/54)

226 Shakespeare's plays were "historically inaccurate" too, but some of the greatest art ever produced.

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I have it on very good authority that English kings in olden days did not speak in poetry.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 09, 2018 08:10 PM (+y/Ru)

227 I bet Sean Connery is feeling pretty old today. I know I am.

Posted by: Eromero at June 09, 2018 08:10 PM (zLDYs)

228 I suppose we're talking about the cinematic equivalent of the Gell Mann Amnesia Effect?

Posted by: Hands at June 09, 2018 08:11 PM (EzdLW)

229 Just spent about about an hour looking for a movie on amazon prime that doesn't seem like it would suck.

Settled on: "The Last Lovecraft: The Relic of Cthulhu". Comedy/horror/scifi/low budget is generally a good bet, I hope.

Posted by: bananadream at June 09, 2018 08:11 PM (yRBj9)

230 The Penis mightier!

Posted by: Sean Connery at June 09, 2018 08:11 PM (pe6p0)

231 226 Shakespeare's plays were "historically inaccurate" too, but some of the greatest art ever produced.

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I have it on very good authority that English kings in olden days did not speak in poetry.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 09, 2018 08:10 PM (+y/Ru)

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Burn all the plays.

They have been deemed historically inaccurate, the worst crime a piece of art can commit.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at June 09, 2018 08:11 PM (Jj43a)

232 When it comes to period films, the accuracy always leaves something to be desired.

You never see rushes or straw on the floors of medieval and Tudor dwellings and palaces for instance.

The characters in past centuries have no pockmarks from smallpox, nor do they scratch at flea bites or pick at lice or scratch at scabies. None have rotted or missing teeth.

And just imagine how they must have stunk. (Not that that can be portrayed in film, of course.)

Posted by: Semi-engaged Scroller at June 09, 2018 08:12 PM (RfnqA)

233 The seventies are considered by many to be the Silver Age of Cinema.
Chinatown, the 2 Godfather movies, One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest, Annie Hall, Taxi Driver, The French Connection, American Graffiti, The Exorcist, Rocky, Dog Day Afternoon, The Last Picture Show, Barry Lyndon, Patton, The Conversation...
Posted by: Semi-engaged Scroller

I also remember a movie that really stuck with me. I think it was called Sorcerer with Roy Shieder of Jaws fame. Not a horror movie, but a movie about desperate men accepting desperate risks. I never see it run though.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at June 09, 2018 08:13 PM (+Tibp)

234 "Settled on: "The Last Lovecraft: The Relic of Cthulhu". Comedy/horror/scifi/low budget is generally a good bet, I hope."

Saw that last week. It's funny enough, so long as your expectations are what you said. For what amounts to a low-budget fanfic, it was good! Writing was strong and I don't remember any laughable acting.

Posted by: Apostate at June 09, 2018 08:13 PM (z2FAZ)

235 The only movie about Obama that I ever heard of was Prime Cut.

Posted by: Burger Chef at June 09, 2018 08:13 PM (RuIsu)

236 Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor in "The Taming of the Shrew" is one of my most favorite movies.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at June 09, 2018 08:13 PM (roQNm)

237 so far it's pretty good as a spy thriller
a bit too sexually graphic for me but not gratuitous
Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 09, 2018 08:07 PM (hMwEB)


The novel deals pretty frankly with sex and there are some moderately graphic sexual scenes in the novel but it's not too obtrusive. The Red Sparrow is a FSB-trained seductress that eventually aids the CIA. Excellent novel.

Let me and Mr. Aspirin Factory know: do we get to see JLaw's boobeh's?

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 09, 2018 08:14 PM (5Yee7)

238 The English as spoken in Shakespearean films is probably historically inaccurate. I don't think even Shakespeare spoke with a contemporary Oxford accent, let alone the characters he was writing about.

I have no issues with that, as I do want it to be understandable, I'm just musing.

Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at June 09, 2018 08:14 PM (nBr1j)

239 Let me and Mr. Aspirin Factory know: do we get to see JLaw's boobeh's?
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 09, 2018 08:14 PM (5Yee7)

Yep. You get to to see vertical half of full frontal.

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 09, 2018 08:15 PM (hMwEB)

240 Sorcerer is a remake of Wages of Fear, a French flick, which is even better

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 09, 2018 08:15 PM (pV/54)

241 And if anyone has Netflix, they're offering Scorsese's The Departed, which I had not seen. No one can chew scenery like Jack Nicholson.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at June 09, 2018 08:15 PM (+Tibp)

242 And just imagine how they must have stunk. (Not that that can be portrayed in film, of course.)
Posted by: Semi-engaged Scroller

Going back even a hundred years, the combined human and animal funk of an average city would probably make a modern 1st worlder puke.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at June 09, 2018 08:15 PM (kYLYM)

243 232 When it comes to period films, the accuracy always leaves something to be desired.

You never see rushes or straw on the floors of medieval and Tudor dwellings and palaces for instance.

The characters in past centuries have no pockmarks from smallpox, nor do they scratch at flea bites or pick at lice or scratch at scabies. None have rotted or missing teeth.

And just imagine how they must have stunk. (Not that that can be portrayed in film, of course.)
Posted by: Semi-engaged Scroller at June 09, 2018 08:12 PM (RfnqA)

The peasants as depicted in Monty Python and The Holy Grail are probably depicted accurately.

Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at June 09, 2018 08:15 PM (nBr1j)

244 They should've cast Flounder as Salieri. That would've been a hoot.

With the Centauri hair.

Posted by: Fox2! at June 09, 2018 08:16 PM (rwVFm)

245 The English as spoken in Shakespearean films is probably historically inaccurate.
Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at June 09, 2018 08:14 PM (nBr1j)


*clears throat*

Posted by: Chancellor Gorkon at June 09, 2018 08:16 PM (fZuhk)

246 If I were a theologian, I'd say Salieri has an overdeveloped sense of entitlement. Just because he believes that Mozart is a vulgarian and that he is more refined, more pious, does not mean that he is entitled to greater earthly gifts, and should despise the ones that he has been given.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 09, 2018 08:16 PM (/qEW2)

247 I think James Gardener was a Yank who was in the RAF or RCAF

Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2018 08:16 PM (pHfeF)

248 Let me and Mr. Aspirin Factory know: do we get to see JLaw's boobeh's?
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 09, 2018 08:14 PM (5Yee7)

Yep. You get to to see vertical half of full frontal.
Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books!

Or you could just do an image search and see her full Hope Solo.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at June 09, 2018 08:16 PM (kYLYM)

249 #238 Look up on youtube how the Shakespearean accent would have sounded, something slightly American actually.

Posted by: Semi-engaged Scroller at June 09, 2018 08:16 PM (RfnqA)

250 Shakespeare's plays are fine in the original Klingon.

Posted by: andycanuck at June 09, 2018 08:17 PM (Evws/)

251 It's a go! Thanks, vm.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 09, 2018 08:17 PM (t6WbA)

252 I think James Gardener was a Yank who was in the RAF or RCAF

Isn't he part of the Fourth of July celebration?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2018 08:18 PM (pe6p0)

253 Something that always bothered me was WWII movies with Germans speaking German-accented English.

Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at June 09, 2018 08:18 PM (nBr1j)

254 Look up on youtube how the Shakespearean accent would have sounded, something slightly American actually.
Posted by: Semi-engaged Scroller at June 09, 2018 08:16 PM (RfnqA)

I saw that years ago. I think I got the link from an old ONT.

Posted by: DR.WTF? at June 09, 2018 08:18 PM (T71PA)

255 And just imagine how they must have stunk. (Not that that can be portrayed in film, of course.)

Oh yes it can.

Posted by: your local big city megaplex at June 09, 2018 08:19 PM (6FqZa)

256 Very British English is frequently substituted for Latin.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2018 08:19 PM (pe6p0)

257 I am starting to wonder how they all wore wigs in the 1600-1700's, reading Patrick O'Brien's books they still do. There are lots of parasites in them.

Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2018 08:19 PM (pHfeF)

258 Gore Vidal, who contributed to the script of Ben Hur, remarked that he had to convince the director to remove tomatoes from Mrs. Hur's dining room since the veggie wasn't in existence in Judea before the discovery of America.

Posted by: Semi-engaged Scroller at June 09, 2018 08:19 PM (RfnqA)

259 Just watched colorized version of Last Man on Earth with VP. Gives a little different perspective, and it was colorized properly not like those Ted Turner color by number jobs.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at June 09, 2018 08:19 PM (op4RT)

260 g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 09, 2018 08:20 PM (KCxzN)

261 "Justify 2:28+ / The Big Horse 2:24"

If you credit Secretariat as an athlete, he's the best of all time. I'm fascinated by his Triple Crown run, where he still holds all three course records.

His Belmont run was an amazing statistical outlier. It's not that the field sucked. Most Triple Crown winners would have been back with the pack. American Phaoroh was closest and would still have lost by ten lengths. The jockey didn't use his whip on Big Red. He was just baggage.

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 09, 2018 08:20 PM (pV/54)

262
The only movie about Obama that I ever heard of was Prime Cut.
Posted by: Burger Chef at June 09, 2018 08:13 PM


That's where you see a combine eat an automobile.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 09, 2018 08:20 PM (IqV8l)

263 The characters in past centuries have no pockmarks from smallpox, nor do they scratch at flea bites or pick at lice or scratch at scabies. None have rotted or missing teeth.

And just imagine how they must have stunk. (Not that that can be portrayed in film, of course.)
Posted by: Semi-engaged Scroller at June 09, 2018 08:12 PM (RfnqA)


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You could say that about a lot of movies, including ones that take place today in third world settings, like Wakanda.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 09, 2018 08:21 PM (/qEW2)

264 g'early evenin', 'rons
Posted by: AltonJackson at June 09, 2018 08:20 PM (KCxzN)


Hello there.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 09, 2018 08:21 PM (fZuhk)

265 I am starting to wonder how they all wore wigs in the 1600-1700's, reading Patrick O'Brien's books they still do. There are lots of parasites in them.
Posted by: Skip

Fun Fact: a nitpicker was an actual job. Someone who picked nits out of wigs.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at June 09, 2018 08:21 PM (kYLYM)

266 #238 Look up on youtube how the Shakespearean accent would have sounded, something slightly American actually.
Posted by: Semi-engaged Scroller at June 09, 2018 08:16 PM (RfnqA)


What I've seen of those vids is that the speech historians think the English accent of the 1600s was similar to the modern American Midwestern accent. What we think of as a British accent was developed as an affectation of the nobility to distinguish themselves from the common folk in the late 18th century.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at June 09, 2018 08:21 PM (5Yee7)

267 Make the world a better place

Punch an antifa in the face

Posted by: logprof at June 09, 2018 08:22 PM (e7oj4)

268 I've seen bits and pieces of a television series called Ripper Street that seems to capture the filth of the White Chapel part of London quite well. It's a little to grim for me.

Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at June 09, 2018 08:22 PM (nBr1j)

269 Oceans 8 is being reviewed as not a feminist farce like NuGhostbusters. I might even have to watch it. Once I've seen Hereditary.

Posted by: your local big city megaplex at June 09, 2018 08:22 PM (6FqZa)

270 he retaliated by creating the character of Uriah Heep"

Ah. Demons and Wizards...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 09, 2018 08:22 PM (7LY+6)

271 252 yes, before America joined in the war lots of Americans went to Canada, England and China to fight.

Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2018 08:22 PM (pHfeF)

272 Yes, Garner's character was a Yank in the RCAF from pre-Pearl Harbor. He helps the other two celebrate Independence Day.

Posted by: andycanuck at June 09, 2018 08:22 PM (Evws/)

273 /sock

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 09, 2018 08:22 PM (6FqZa)

274 271 252 yes, before America joined in the war lots of Americans went to Canada, England and China to fight.
Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2018 08:22 PM (pHfeF)
272 Yes, Garner's character was a Yank in the RCAF from pre-Pearl Harbor. He helps the other two celebrate Independence Day.
Posted by: andycanuck at June 09, 2018 08:22 PM (Evws/)

Okay, explains it to me.

Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at June 09, 2018 08:23 PM (nBr1j)

275 >>What I've seen of those vids is that the speech historians think the English accent of the 1600s was similar to the modern American Midwestern accent. What we think of as a British accent was developed as an affectation of the nobility to distinguish themselves from the common folk in the late 18th century.



Supposedly the accent of native Smith Islanders is close to old English.

I've never heard it, but I have heard the accent of a native Vermonter and it is wild - almost like an Irish brogue.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 09, 2018 08:24 PM (W+vEI)

276 The English as spoken in Shakespearean films is probably historically inaccurate.

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I was reading today the opinion of a professor as to the proper pronunciation of Latin. He noted that the language not only changed over time but also was different in the various geographical location in the Empire, indeed as is true here in the U.S., so the search for the one true pronunciation may be misguided. He noted that there is controversy as to how Shakespeare intended his language to be pronounced but that does not keep us from enjoying the plays even with our barbarian pronunciation.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 09, 2018 08:24 PM (+y/Ru)

277 Did anyone see the video that the plastic surgeon posted on her IG? She and her staff sang and did choreography while in surgery.
Posted by: kallisto at June 09, 2018 07:10 PM (ikJAZ)

That woman is a fraud. She is a dermatologist, and not licensed to perform plastic surgery. And her medical ethics are a disaster area. She belongs in jail.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 09, 2018 08:24 PM (WFV7d)

278
Rock me, Amadeus Dr. Zaius!!!


Posted by: naturalfake at June 09, 2018 08:25 PM (9q7Dl)

279
I think James Gardener was a Yank who was in the RAF or RCAF

Isn't he part of the Fourth of July celebration?
Posted by: Grump928(C)


And the German guard was asking him why he was friends with the British since they burned the Capitol in 1812.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 09, 2018 08:25 PM (IqV8l)

280 204

Well said about "JFK." Just appalling trash.

RE: Shakespeare & historical inaccuracy:

1) He worked from secondary sources.

2) He didn't have a modern university library or the 'Net at his fingertips.

3) He had no Greek and but little Latin.

Posted by: strawdog at June 09, 2018 08:25 PM (Cssks)

281 I liked JFK, a lot. Actually, I've enjoyed lots of Oliver Stone movies.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2018 07:46 PM (yQpMk)


I haven't watched it in a long time, but I thought it was a fun little movie. Not to be considered anything remotely like real life.

You can start off by telling yourself "this is Ollie Stone's version of reality," and knowing what a nitwit lefty he is, just sit back and enjoy, because HE'S the one who believes this nonsense.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 09, 2018 08:26 PM (cY3LT)

282 Always thrilled to see fellow fans of "Sorcerer." It was a couple of years after I saw it that I found out it was derived from "Wages of Fear" (there was no Internet then), and it took me some time to find a copy (you had to go somewhere to get a copy of a movie, back then...)
I start "greatest truck drivin' movies evah" with "They Drive by Night" and I do not even want to talk about those 70's convoy and spooky-semi monstrosities. But there are some others.

If you like desperate men accepting desperate risks -- and who doesn't? -- you'd like E.G. Robinson, George Raft, Dietrich, in Raoul Walsh's "Manpower," (1941). Suffice it to say, they do not make them like that any more.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 09, 2018 08:26 PM (H5rtT)

283 We have movie sign!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 09, 2018 07:09 PM (JxMDl)

Just like bear sign, but smells worse.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 09, 2018 08:26 PM (WFV7d)

284 similar to the modern American Midwestern accent.

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God's language.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 09, 2018 08:26 PM (+y/Ru)

285
he retaliated by creating the character of Uriah Heep"

Ah. Demons and Wizards...
Posted by: Anon a mouse


And he was stealin' when he shoulda been buyin'

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 09, 2018 08:27 PM (IqV8l)

286 Just like bear sign, but smells worse.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 09, 2018 08:26 PM (WFV7d)

We have movie scat!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 09, 2018 08:27 PM (JxMDl)

287 The most egregious bastardization of historical accuracy had to have been Showtime's "Tudors" series. Imagine a filmed bodice ripper Harlequin romance novel meets millennial boyish heart throb Henry VIII whose wives wear Victoria Secrets style decolletage and none of the nobles wear caps on their heads and forego codpieces for some reason (and instead dress in a version of Steam Punk meets pseudo-Tudor.) Henry the VIII for young hipsters!

Posted by: Semi-engaged Scroller at June 09, 2018 08:28 PM (RfnqA)

288 i can't figure out what year red sparrow is set in

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 09, 2018 08:28 PM (hMwEB)

289 Something that always bothered me was WWII movies with Germans speaking German-accented English.

Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at June 09, 2018 08:18 PM (nBr1j)



But they still throw in a Jawol or Herr Oberst (or other rank) in the mix

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 09, 2018 08:29 PM (SiINZ)

290 Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've long had the suspicion that Hispanic Latin was more archaic than the Latin spoken elsewhere. Early Latin *duenos > bueno in Spanish but bonus in Classical (and bon in French etc).

Spain was of the Romans' first major colony beyond Italy.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 09, 2018 08:29 PM (6FqZa)

291 Channel surfing.. came across Tombstone. I never change the channel when it's on. So.. here I sit, commercials and all watching Tombstone. Oh well... my knee is happy with my decision so it's all good.

Posted by: Jewells45 at June 09, 2018 08:29 PM (dUJdY)

292 And he was stealin' when he shoulda been buyin"

Too much effort. I prefer easy livin...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 09, 2018 08:30 PM (7LY+6)

293 "265 I am starting to wonder how they all wore wigs in the 1600-1700's, reading Patrick O'Brien's books they still do. There are lots of parasites in them.
Posted by: Skip

Fun Fact: a nitpicker was an actual job. Someone who picked nits out of wigs.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at June 09, 2018 08:21 PM (kYLYM)"



Samuel Pepys changed periwig makers several times because of that problem.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 09, 2018 08:30 PM (GNCPT)

294 Great Escape history linked in my sock. BTW, the Polish" tunneller was actually a Hoser. I've got a book about the real thing but I can't recall the name right now and it's upstairs.

Posted by: andycanuck at June 09, 2018 08:30 PM (Evws/)

295 Something that always bothered me was WWII movies with Germans speaking German-accented English.

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And good Germans have no accent but bad Germans have a thick accent.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 09, 2018 08:30 PM (+y/Ru)

296

How about Bruce Dern's perfect teeth in The Cowboys and Hang 'Em High?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 09, 2018 08:30 PM (IqV8l)

297 As for anything like a personal Top Ten list of movies, I guess I don't hold onto them that way. I'll enjoy a film, really think it's a terrific piece of art, and then let it go... where eventually the memory fades, and I've seen dozens of other well made movies since.

I couldn't possibly rank them.

I recently re-watched Rules of the Game, which makes a lot of Top Ten lists. I hadn't realized when I watched it, I had indeed seen it before.

It's a great movie. Great. Great. Movie.

Would it be in my Top Ten? Hell if I know. I've since seen two films in particular that just blew me away: The Florida Project and A Ghost Story. Both on recommendations from the redlettermedia boys.

They're also not Top Ten material, I guess, but as far as recently made movies that are so well done, they will stick with me for some time, they're right there.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 09, 2018 08:30 PM (cY3LT)

298 I took my 14 year old daughter to see Soylo. Her second viewing, my first. Right off, I wanna say that every single executive and decision enabled manager that had anything to do with this film, it's production, writing or development needs an up close and personal lesson in William Wallace's last couple of hours on this mortal coil. Basically they did everything they could to turn classic space opera into SJW horsepiss. FVCK THEM.

Now on to my next observation. This was billed and advertised as action adventure and it delivered. Someone here said last week that it was chase, chase, blaster fight, chase blaster, blaster etc. It delivers an action movie that shouldn't be associated with my 15year olde self's memory of Star Wars.

Posted by: BifBewalskiBot at June 09, 2018 08:31 PM (8ZeGS)

299 Mozart was like Trump - naturally gifted but vulgar and disrespectful of the status quo.

Salieri was the first Never Trumper.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 09, 2018 08:31 PM (V2Yro)

300 (Pictures TJM in hall of mirrors clutching copies of "Ed Wood" and "Pink Flamingos" shouting "Who am I? Who am I??!)

Glen .... or Glenda?

Posted by: Fox2! at June 09, 2018 08:31 PM (rwVFm)

301 In the real Great Escape there was an American who had joined the Canadian RAF, George Harsh, who's real life story is unbelievable.

He came from a rich family, but pulled robberies for kicks, where he killed two for kicks. He got off death row to join a Georgia chain gang, and got his sentence commuted, and joined WWII to make amends, only to be shot down and wind up in Stalag Luft III, where he was put in charge of counter-security, presumably because of prison experience.

More here

https://www.milwaukeemag.com/TheThrillKiller/

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 09, 2018 08:32 PM (pV/54)

302 yeah, Shakespeare had to use secondary sources but among them he'd lucked into Plutarch, who was freakin' awesome on the biographies of the early Romans.

You want to know where that drunken alpha douchebag Marcus Antonius in the Rome comes from, that's Plutarch too.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 09, 2018 08:32 PM (6FqZa)

303 Something that always bothered me was WWII movies with Germans speaking German-accented English.

Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at June 09, 2018 08:18 PM (nBr1j)

But they still throw in a Jawol or Herr Oberst (or other rank) in the mix
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 09, 2018 08:29 PM (SiINZ)



For what it's worthy, when I was in Germany, we did some training exercises with a German unit, the commander was an English teacher by trade, apparently.

Spoke just about the best British English I've heard any human speak. Really, it was a complete joy to listen to his oratory.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 09, 2018 08:33 PM (cY3LT)

304 oh, and Marcus' speech at Caesar's coffin - also Plutarch. Probably from eyewitnesses.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 09, 2018 08:33 PM (6FqZa)

305 I recently re-watched Rules of the Game, which makes a lot of Top Ten lists. I hadn't realized when I watched it, I had indeed seen it before. "

"Rules of the Game" is one of those rare movies that was not only great, but which created an entire genre that's still being done.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 09, 2018 08:33 PM (V2Yro)

306 I get a giggle our of "Wakanda," because Super-Serious Creative Author will not be admitting to reading Ken Kesey's Sometimes A Great Notion (don't get much whiter'n that, and Jesus did the movie suck). Waconda Auga is the name of the big river, and of the whole region. Just ripped 'er right off.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 09, 2018 08:34 PM (H5rtT)

307 The greatest movie of all time is used cars

Posted by: REDACTED at June 09, 2018 08:34 PM (iOL28)

308 293 "265 I am starting to wonder how they all wore wigs in the 1600-1700's, reading Patrick O'Brien's books they still do. There are lots of parasites in them.
Posted by: Skip

Fun Fact: a nitpicker was an actual job. Someone who picked nits out of wigs.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at June 09, 2018 08:21 PM (kYLYM)"



Samuel Pepys changed periwig makers several times because of that problem.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 09, 2018 08:30 PM (GNCPT)

Still better than having lice in your real hair and scalp, which is why they wore wigs in the first place.

Posted by: josephistan at June 09, 2018 08:34 PM (ANIFC)

309 301 In the real Great Escape there was an American who had joined the Canadian RAF, George Harsh, who's real life story is unbelievable.

He came from a rich family, but pulled robberies for kicks, where he killed two for kicks. He got off death row to join a Georgia chain gang, and got his sentence commuted, and joined WWII to make amends, only to be shot down and wind up in Stalag Luft III, where he was put in charge of counter-security, presumably because of prison experience.

More here

https://www.milwaukeemag.com/TheThrillKiller/
Posted by: Ignoramus at June 09, 2018 08:32 PM (pV/54)

That's fascinating. I did not know that.

Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at June 09, 2018 08:37 PM (nBr1j)

310 Language is another good reason the original The Boat makes my top 10 war movie list. I would bet many of my war movie list would be in a all time favorite movie list.

Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2018 08:37 PM (pHfeF)

311 One thing the movie got right was the Aussie's RAAF uniform is the correct dark blue and not the lighter R.A.F. blue.

Posted by: andycanuck at June 09, 2018 08:37 PM (Evws/)

312 Still better than having lice in your real hair and scalp, which is why they wore wigs in the first place."

One of the things we hate to admit about the past, even up till not that long ago, was that lice and other personal parasites were one of those things that just about everybody lived with.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 09, 2018 08:37 PM (V2Yro)

313 I recently re-watched Rules of the Game, which makes a lot of Top Ten lists. I hadn't realized when I watched it, I had indeed seen it before. "
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"Rules of the Game" is one of those rare movies that was not only great, but which created an entire genre that's still being done.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 09, 2018 08:33 PM (V2Yro)


Yeah, that's why it was so interesting to me watching it recently. I'm sitting there not sure if I HAD seen the movie before, or if this one had been STEALING ideas from other films (as in films made after it)!

Amazing...

Posted by: BurtTC at June 09, 2018 08:37 PM (cY3LT)

314 Glad I checked to see who "Lisa" was.

Posted by: ArthurK at June 09, 2018 08:38 PM (r36Sg)

315 Mfer, I asked Jules to keep the dogs in the room and she let them out. My carefully prepared sub, on the counter, waiting for Italian dressing to warm, is gone! I've got 6 shreds of lettuce left!

Posted by: Farmer at June 09, 2018 08:38 PM (yJ1e6)

316 Mozart was like Trump - naturally gifted but vulgar and disrespectful of the status quo.

Salieri was the first Never Trumper.

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You know who Trump reminds me of? Columbo. There was always a world chess champion, movie star, brain surgeon, or other elite who was toying with this deplorable detective who just stumbled through the murder investigations like a drunken retard but then who somehow manages to get the upper hand over these geniuses. "Just one more thing, Mr. Stelter . . ."

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 09, 2018 08:38 PM (+y/Ru)

317 Very British English is frequently substituted for Latin.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2018 08:19 PM (pe6p0)



I loved how in I, Claudius the Centurions had Cockney accents sort of like a British sergeant might. When they killed Caligula and the German guards were looking for who did it and came upon Claudius the Praetorians said, 'ere 'erman. It's your new Emperor. Was? Your Kaiser!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 09, 2018 08:41 PM (SiINZ)

318 The greatest movie of all time is used cars
Posted by: REDACTED at June 09, 2018 08:34 PM (iOL2

Either The Fifth Element or Big Trouble in Little China.

Posted by: weirdflunky at June 09, 2018 08:43 PM (yhYmR)

319 'im Kaiser, 'erman.
Ja. Ja. (nodding head knowingly)

Posted by: andycanuck at June 09, 2018 08:44 PM (Evws/)

320 Amazing George Harsh wasn't strung up

Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2018 08:44 PM (pHfeF)

321 Amadeus is one of my favorite movies. I'm wondering why this movie was titled "Amadeus" and not "Mozart" or "Wolfgang". "Amadeus" means something like "Loved by God" which, I guess, points to Salieri's belief that God loved Mozart more than him and was the seed of his bitterness.

Posted by: sinalco at June 09, 2018 08:45 PM (yODqO)

322 Posted by: Farmer at June 09, 2018 08:38 PM (yJ1e6)

I'm sorry, but I laughed!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 09, 2018 08:45 PM (0/+vJ)

323 Salieri is the only one in Vienna who knows that Mozart is legendary, and not merely good. His plays consistently do better box office, and he has more clout. He praises the originals in the portfolio (this opinion is the only thing he cannot ever lie about), and his wife sweetly smiles as if it was gracious hyperbole. "Yes he is very proud of his work."

The unfairness of the world tortures Salieri, despite the fact that it is all slated in his favor. The fact that he lives long enough to see his popularity fade* is awful, but it is also cathartic to the original outrage.

He has a bad combination of virtues and vices that turn him rotten.

*when I wish Obama to have a long life, you might not see how unsparing I am.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 09, 2018 08:45 PM (rnAwa)

324 The look of the robot chick in Ex Machina is created by spying on Nerd Guy's porn collection. So it's Alicia Vikander with big tits.

Or did they hack mine?

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 09, 2018 08:45 PM (pV/54)

325 "Amazing George Harsh wasn't strung up"

I read his auto-bio years ago. He said he should have gotten the chair.

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 09, 2018 08:47 PM (pV/54)

326 More movies of the Silver Age: 3 Days of the Condor, Paper Moon, The Odd Couple, The Great Gatsby, Rocky, Saturday Night Fever.

Posted by: kallisto at June 09, 2018 08:48 PM (2IlA7)

327 321 Amadeus is one of my favorite movies. I'm wondering why this movie was titled "Amadeus" and not "Mozart" or "Wolfgang". "Amadeus" means something like "Loved by God" which, I guess, points to Salieri's belief that God loved Mozart more than him and was the seed of his bitterness."

I think you've hit on the reason this title was picked. That, and the fact that it was Mozart's middle name. (and it just sounds better than "Wolfgang")

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 09, 2018 08:48 PM (V2Yro)

328 The greatest movie of all time is used cars"

That's just too damn high! Blammo!

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 09, 2018 08:48 PM (7LY+6)

329 Does the Salieri - Mozart rivalry constitute "toxic masculinity"? If Emperor Joseph had hired a black lesbian to be his court composer, none of this would have happened.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 09, 2018 08:48 PM (/qEW2)

330 Here are 2 foreign flicks that would be on my own Top 10 list.

Black Orpheus (Fr./Braz; 1959)

The Counterfeiters ("Der Fälschers"); (Aus; 2008, with Ben Kingsley)

The music scores add immensely to both films.

Posted by: strawdog at June 09, 2018 08:48 PM (Cssks)

331 330

Didn't like the umlaut! Ok, then, "Der Falschers"

Posted by: strawdog at June 09, 2018 08:50 PM (Cssks)

332 I could well but I will speculate here.
I doubt the English as spoken by Kings and Lords in the middle ages and earlier was as sharply differentiated from that spoken by commoners as depicted in movies.
On the other hand, I wonder if the English by Welsh bowmen and foot soldiers from others parts of Britain was not quite distinctive.

Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at June 09, 2018 08:50 PM (nBr1j)

333 Milius' "Rome" did the same trick with levels of English accents, to similar effect ISTM. There must have been all sorts of dialect jokes in Roman text, but, like their music, it's just lost to us. Bear in mind, too, that to a lot of literate Romans, Latin was recognized for its shortcomings. If Latin writers had something complex or very poetic to say, they just switched over to Greek.
Up through Shakespeare's time, English writers were similarly shy. For science or policy, they went over to Latin. It was the big project of a couple of generations to coin and import more words to make English adequate for technical writing.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 09, 2018 08:50 PM (H5rtT)

334 I don't like/watch horror movie but my mom and my first husband loved those things so I got stuck watching a few. I have to say, the funniest so called horror movie was Maximum Overdrive. . That was insanely stupid and subsequently hillarious. The dumbest was the Toxic Avenger. The most memorable evil bad guy was Pinhead from Hellraiser.
The only "horror" movie I liked was mostly a suspense thing April Fools Day.

Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at June 09, 2018 08:50 PM (myjNJ)

335 And it has Sean Penn. I cannot abide Sean Penn except as Jeff Spicoli.

Posted by: Hands at June 09, 2018 07:50 PM (EzdLW)

++++

He does well as lowlifes. The thug in Mystic River. The weaselly lawyer in Carlito's Way. The druggie in The Falcon and the Snowman.

He was quite believable in those roles.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at June 09, 2018 08:51 PM (pvjTE)

336 "I doubt the English as spoken by Kings and Lords in the middle ages and earlier was as sharply differentiated from that spoken by commoners as depicted in movies. "

Most of them were speaking French

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 09, 2018 08:51 PM (pV/54)

337 Went to see "Book Club" this week. It's great if you want to watch a bunch of elderly women talk about sex. One odd thing: they made a group photo of the younger version of the characters by photoshopping the younger faces of the actresses on other bodies as they do now and it was a really bad photoshop. Wierd.

Also saw "Ocean's 8" while fun in a general sense, the heist was really badly thought out. And supposedly Sandra Bullock had 5 years to think this out. Whatevs.

Also saw "Soylo" and it was as meh as everyone has said.

Posted by: sinalco at June 09, 2018 08:52 PM (yODqO)

338
Going back even a hundred years, the combined human and animal funk of an average city would probably make a modern 1st worlder puke.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at June 09, 2018 08:15 PM (kYLYM)

Imaging replacing all the yellow cabs in manhattan with horses.

yyyyeeeech.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 09, 2018 08:52 PM (BRvh1)

339 Hmmmm.

Son of Farrah Fawcett and Ryan O'Neal Charged with Attempted Murder...

O'Neal, who has had a history of drug and legal troubles, allegedly began his attacks on passersby May 2 and continued through May 5 in Venice Beach and Palms neighborhoods, authorities said.

He allegedly attacked a number of people who made eye contact with him. He is accused of stabbing a Venice man in the side on May 4, then, later that night, allegedly stabbed another man numerous times in the nearby area. Both victims sustained serious injuries.

On Friday, O'Neal was arrested following an armed robbery after he was identified as the suspect in a 7-Eleven stick-up, police said.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 09, 2018 08:53 PM (+y/Ru)

340 I have to revisit Amadeus. I saw it long ago, but that was overshadowed by my having seen the play not that long before, so I saw it through that lens. I liked it, but not as much as the play. Nothing like live theater.

Also I am encouraged in this project by a recent (not complete) re-viewing of Lethal Weapon, which I had somehow assumed would not hold up. Nope. It's great. A touch ham-handed in spots, but that's sort of expected and normal. Heck, Die Hard itself contains the maximum cringe dialog:

"Bag it!"
"Big Time."

And the most predictable character redemption arc ever.

Compared to that, Lethal Weapon is almost poetry.

"Yo Riggs!"
"Yeah."
"Did you really like my wife's cooking?"
"No."

Posted by: Splunge at June 09, 2018 08:54 PM (Vb4BV)

341 Arabic literature is full of jokes about bumpkin tribes and barbarians failing at Arabic.

It took centuries to get Syriac up to a par that it could handle Greek thought, and then when the Arabs took over it took more centuries between the Qur'an (600s AD) to the middle 'Abbasids (800s).

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 09, 2018 08:54 PM (6FqZa)

342 I could have a western, war, caper, detective, comedy, chick flix and horror top 10 list.

Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2018 08:55 PM (pHfeF)

343 On the Great Escape. James Garner's character is an American he plays an American Volunteer in the RAF.

There where Americans in the camp because when the film starts it is very early in the American involvement in the war they had no camps built for Americans.

In the real world the Americans helped start the escape plan but where all shipped out to a separate camp for American units before any real progress was made on the tunnels.

The reason for this was the British and Germans where punishing each other for escape attempts.

In fact at one point both German and British POWs where being kept in restraints at all times when not in their cells.

The one thing I always felt that the Great Escape failed to get across was how long it took to make that escape.

But then it is a pretty long movie and unless you want to watch naked men digging in the dark for days on end I guess speeding up the time frame of the film is ok.

Posted by: Big V at June 09, 2018 08:55 PM (ZvLtE)

344 I could have a western, war, caper, detective, comedy, chick flix and horror top 10 list.

I guess the Westworld series has all the above, except comedy.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 09, 2018 08:55 PM (6FqZa)

345 Finally, we come to a movie that is in my top 100 list as well

Yeah, I'm a big fan of this movie. I was a fan of Mozart's music early (my mother used to play it for me to make me sleep when I was a little 'un) but the soundtrack for Amadeus got me collecting Mozart's complete work.

Music aside, the movie truly is a masterpiece of filmmaking. Forman does just about everything 'right', which is a minor (or not so minor) miracle.

And speaking of movies that did NOT do that...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 09, 2018 08:56 PM (xJa6I)

346 Things are chilly up in the Great White North.

Trump blasts Canada's Trudeau for 'false statements'...

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 09, 2018 08:56 PM (+y/Ru)

347 Got less than a hour until the ONT, so I better get spiffied up.

Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2018 08:56 PM (pHfeF)

348 I've got some films you might be interested in. Big Boy...

Posted by: Stormy at June 09, 2018 08:56 PM (NWuoO)

349 @338 Don't forget, replace all the semis and straight trucks with teams of horses!
There were guys with trash cans on wheels picking up the horse droppings, and other guys with wagons to pick up the dead horses. And then there were sprayer tanks, towed behind horses of course, to spray down the gravel and cobblestones with dilute carbolic acid, in a vain attempt to kills germs, or some of the flies at least.

Oh yeah, those city dwellers had no complaints with car pollution.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 09, 2018 08:57 PM (H5rtT)

350 I saw "Last of the Mohicans" again on cable this week.

A couple of thoughts about it:

1) Peter Jackson's "Lord of the Rings" was definitely influenced by it.

Particularly, the way the scenes of running created urgency.

2) While I didn't love it as much as I used to-

mainly because Nathaniel (aka Natty Bumpo in the books) did very little. He was all attitude and good shooting. Reactive at best.

3) The ending is what makes this movie work and why people love it so much.

Everything all the hatred, all the love, all the jealousy, all the pain of everyone comes to a very sharp point at the climax.

The only thing that doesn't work is the ending "Last of the Mohicans" vaguely apocalyptic pronouncement because that particular part of the story has had almost zero emphasis in the movie.

A solid B+.








Oh and since this thread is about "Amadeus"....that's a great movie. The jealousy of the famous but self-aware mediocrity in face of pure genius is a timeless story.


Strangely enough, the very same type of story is playing out in our national politics right now.

Only Obamalieri is devoid of self-awareness, otherwise he'd of hanged himself in embarrassment by now.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 09, 2018 08:57 PM (9q7Dl)

351 The play version of Amadeus started with Tim Curry as Mozart and Ian McKellen as Salieri. Eventually Mark Hamill would play Mozart, and that is where he would develop the famous Joker laugh.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 09, 2018 08:57 PM (rnAwa)

352 The Danny Glover role in Lethal Weapon was not scripted to be a black guy. The casting director made the call on her own.

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 09, 2018 08:58 PM (pV/54)

353 The worst movie of all time is any movie with Bob Culp in it

Posted by: REDACTED at June 09, 2018 08:58 PM (iOL28)

354 Firearms vendor Brownell's has had their channel terminated by YouTube.

Posted by: Bert G at June 09, 2018 08:58 PM (yzxic)

355 "Salieri, having attempted suicide, is sitting alone in a cell in a sanitarium playing some small tunes on a harpsicord."
...............

Should have consulted Anthony Bourdain.

Posted by: wth at June 09, 2018 08:59 PM (HgMAr)

356 Firearms vendor Brownell's has had their channel terminated by YouTube.

WTF?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2018 08:59 PM (yQpMk)

357 unless you want to watch naked men digging in the dark for days on end
Joey, do you like movies about gladiators?

Hell of a lot of naked mining in gladiator movies.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 09, 2018 09:00 PM (H5rtT)

358 Got less than a hour until the ONT, so I better get spiffied up.

Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2018 08:56 PM (pHfeF)
............

At least you don't have to worry about pants.

Posted by: wth at June 09, 2018 09:00 PM (HgMAr)

359
The French movie 'The Visitors' with Jean Reno is a comedy about a 12th Century knight and his servant who are transported to the modern day. They go to church to seek sanctuary and no one can understand them. A priest says, It sounds like a mix of old French and Latin. The movie is probably banned now as they find the servants descendant who is an over the top mincing pooftah. Reno turns to his servant and says, Sadly my friend, your line has come to an end with him

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 09, 2018 09:00 PM (SiINZ)

360 This central time zone is messing with my mind.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 09, 2018 09:00 PM (t6WbA)

361 I'm sorry, but I laughed!
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 09, 2018 08:45

That's OK, so did Jules. didn't make it any easier, but I'm laughing now.

This is the dog that ate about 12 dozen Chiristmas cookies on Jules when she was younger. That time the cat opened the door for the dog.

Hope all is well w/ you and FenSon, he graduateds soon?

Posted by: Farmer at June 09, 2018 09:01 PM (yJ1e6)

362 The owner of Brownell's is the chairman of the NRA board.

They are sure-enough Messin' with The Kid here.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 09, 2018 09:01 PM (H5rtT)

363 This account has been terminated for violating YouTube's Community Guidelines.



and so it begins.

Posted by: that guy that always thinks it's beginning at June 09, 2018 09:01 PM (yQpMk)

364 346 Things are chilly up in the Great White North.

Trump blasts Canada's Trudeau for 'false statements'...
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 09, 2018 08:56 PM (+y/Ru)


I get the impression that being all friendly to his face, and then trashing him in public afterwards, is not the best way to get on Trump's good side.

Trudeau will need a lot of soy milk to calm down tonight.

Posted by: Splunge at June 09, 2018 09:02 PM (Vb4BV)

365 OK, I'm never here on Saturday. So sue me.

Posted by: wth at June 09, 2018 09:02 PM (HgMAr)

366 The one thing I always felt that the Great Escape failed to get across was how long it took to make that escape.

But then it is a pretty long movie and unless you want to watch naked men digging in the dark for days on end I guess speeding up the time frame of the film is ok.
Posted by: Big V at June 09, 2018 08:55 PM (ZvLtE)

Completely unacceptable. If I don't show up in frame at least every 15 minutes and demonstrate how much of a hero I am, I'll walk away from the entire production.

Posted by: Steve McQueen at June 09, 2018 09:02 PM (gDSJf)

367 "What I've seen of those vids is that the speech historians think the English accent of the 1600s was similar to the modern American Midwestern accent. What we think of as a British accent was developed as an affectation of the nobility to distinguish themselves from the common folk in the late 18th century."

Yeah, and you really see that in the contemporary Shakespeare's director's cuts. Like the outtake between the 2nd and 3rd acts of Henry the 5th, where the actor Wop Dagney takes a piss on the stagehand's girlfriend's foot and they get into a fight. The 16th century cursing alone is worth the price of admission. But, I wouldn't say it sounds like midwestern American speech. I think it sounds like 16th century London speech. Meaning you can't understand it at all without Dr. Johnson present. And he was just guessing.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 09, 2018 09:02 PM (9BLnV)

368 I went to a boxing match and a fight broke out..

Huge brawl erupts in crowd at heavy weight boxing match -- and fighters stop to watch...

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 09, 2018 09:03 PM (+y/Ru)

369 Another great composer movie, while not as great as "Amadeus" is-

"Immortal Beloved".

It's about Beethoven. Probably not historically accurate, but man, pure ear and eye candy.

Nice story and Gary Oldman makes a great Beethoven.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 09, 2018 09:03 PM (9q7Dl)

370 ...I saw the Hotel Artemis yesterday.

Rex Reed's bitchy scratchfest of a review made me curious.

He's wrong, by a wide margin, this is not the worst movie of the year. It's also not even a bad movie.
It's just not good.

It's a C, B- at best (mostly due to some good performances). Worse, the first time director is a former screenwriter, and all the film's flaws can be laid at the screen play's feet.

Drew Pearce, who wrote Iron Man 3, CAN write a scene. What he can't do is mind the details, an ironic flaw considering one of the characters in the movie says 'details matter'.

Dave Bautista and Jodie Foster give good performances, that's the movie's high point. Sofia Boutella is decorative (I don't really buy her as a killing machine assassin but she gives it a good try), Stirling K. Brown is fine with charisma and Jeff Goldblum is magical in his two scenes. But those are the high points.

I give it credit for not making political hay out of the setting (it takes place during water riots after the water supply and police have been privatized). It's just something happening in the background, not a lot of preaching and speeching.

But it trips up on the details. Like forgetting the bad guys have guns. Forgetting that guns need bullets. Forgetting to actually TELL us all the rules of the Hotel Artemis. Forgetting where the bad guy is (the main bad guy seemingly teleports to have a brief final fight scene). Forgetting when characters have gunshot wounds. Details, details, details.

Details matter.

Also, make sure you have someone else look at your script for plot holes before spending money on your movie.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 09, 2018 09:03 PM (xJa6I)

371 The Warriors is on. Does not hold up other to make fun of. Can't believe I enjoyed it when I was a teen.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at June 09, 2018 09:05 PM (2DOZq)

372 I see others have already gone OT re the Trudeau kerfuffle.


Without knowing, specifically, each and every detail of every relevant fact here, how easy is it to instantly conclude Trump is in the right, and that Justin pulled a bitch move, and got slapped down?


Uh huh, THAT easy. I don't think this is going to work out for Trudeau, or for Canada.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 09, 2018 09:05 PM (QDnY+)

373 Trump blasts Canada's Trudeau for 'false statements'.

Poor Trudeau. Maybe he can put on his Bollywood costume and dance his cares away.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 09, 2018 09:06 PM (hyuyC)

374 Firearms vendor Brownell's has had their channel terminated by YouTube.

Posted by: Bert G at June 09, 2018 08:58 PM (yzxic)



Make no mistake all of the lefty tech companies are going to go complete Big Brother. (not that they weren't almost there already) Farcebook, Googlag, Twatter, you tube the lot of them.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 09, 2018 09:06 PM (SiINZ)

375 How many people saw Brawl in Cell Block 99?

That movie is a hidden gem.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at June 09, 2018 09:07 PM (2DOZq)

376 I assume that Brownells will just start hosting their videos on their own website.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2018 09:07 PM (yQpMk)

377 ...I saw the Hotel Artemis yesterday.
..........

Does Sofia Boutella show us her tits? No?
I'm out.

Posted by: wth at June 09, 2018 09:07 PM (HgMAr)

378 rhomboid

I have noticed you seem a lot happier these past two years. Especially around now, when Trump is feeling strong, and keeping America strong. It is good to see.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 09, 2018 09:08 PM (hyuyC)

379
Posted by: naturalfake at June 09, 2018 09:03 PM (9q7Dl)

I always liked "Immortal Beloved" way, way more than "Amadeus". The characters in Amadeus are all basically crappy people, and there was never a point where I felt like I cared one way or the other about any of them. Mozart's a dick, Salieri's a mope, and everyone else in the film is tangential at best. The Immortal Beloved story is much more interesting and heartwrenching, at least as far as I remember it.

(My opinion of movies is very heavily plot driven. I don't directly care about or even notice the craft of cinematography. Just tell me a damn story and try not to bore me or piss me off.)

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 09, 2018 09:08 PM (BRvh1)

380 well at least Justin and his Liberals are assured of running away with the Ontario vote in the next national election.

Oh wait.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 09, 2018 09:08 PM (6FqZa)

381 It's not easy for Justin to deal with Trump, knowing that Trump fucked his mom in a limo outside Studio 54.

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 09, 2018 09:09 PM (pV/54)

382 Also, make sure you have someone else look at your script for plot holes before spending money on your movie.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 09, 2018 09:03 PM (xJa6I)

But I did! Recommended to me by none other than the esteemed George Lucas. Went over the script with a fine toothed comb. Not a plot hole in sight!

Posted by: Drew Pearce at June 09, 2018 09:09 PM (gDSJf)

383 Oh yeah, and the Brownell's thing, too.


Don't see any alternative, if no true alternate hosting site develops, gun folk are going to have to host their own video. Ditto for every non-authoritarian, sane video source.


Or that whole monopoly/public accommodation thing is going to have to be looked at, seriously.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 09, 2018 09:09 PM (QDnY+)

384 375 How many people saw Brawl in Cell Block 99?

That movie is a hidden gem.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at June 09, 2018 09:07 PM (2DOZq)

That movie is great! Cheezy effects, but they kinda have to be, because realistic effects would have been stomach churning. It's not supposed to be a grindhouse movie, but it gets its point across.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 09, 2018 09:10 PM (BRvh1)

385 Completely unacceptable. If I don't show up in frame at least every 15 minutes and demonstrate how much of a hero I am, I'll walk away from the entire production.
Posted by: Steve McQueen at June 09, 2018 09:02 PM



And ride a motorcycle!

Posted by: Hands at June 09, 2018 09:11 PM (EzdLW)

386 Stifle yourself, Meathead!

Rob Reiner: Trump First President 'Supported By Mainstream Media'

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 09, 2018 09:12 PM (+y/Ru)

387 375 How many people saw Brawl in Cell Block 99?
----

I did. Brutal, stripped down beauty of a flick.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 09, 2018 09:12 PM (JxMDl)

388 FWIW I think Justin is an imbecile and an embarrassment.

Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at June 09, 2018 09:13 PM (nBr1j)

389 I never liked Mozart's music. It was too high pitched and all his songs sound the same.

Posted by: ALH at June 09, 2018 07:53 PM (2vdM0)

Begone, peasant!

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 09, 2018 09:13 PM (9BLnV)

390 386 Stifle yourself, Meathead!

Rob Reiner: Trump First President 'Supported By Mainstream Media'
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 09, 2018 09:12 PM (+y/Ru)

Hahahahahahahaha

Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at June 09, 2018 09:13 PM (nBr1j)

391 I did. Brutal, stripped down beauty of a flick.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 09, 2018 09:12 PM (JxMDl)

I read somewhere once what the budget for that movie was, and thought it was an absurdly low number. Like, a high school AV club level of funding. And they still made a good, solid, movie out of it.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 09, 2018 09:14 PM (BRvh1)

392 387 375 How many people saw Brawl in Cell Block 99?
----

I did. Brutal, stripped down beauty of a flick.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 09, 2018 09:12 PM (JxMDl)

Likewise.

I realized about 15 min from the end that there was NO way there was going to be a happy ending.

Ballsy.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 09, 2018 09:14 PM (xJa6I)

393 My fav Steve McQ movie is used cars

Posted by: REDACTED at June 09, 2018 09:14 PM (iOL28)

394 Brownell's has had their channel terminated by YouTube. "

Perfectly fine. It's also fine for me to ignore their advertising...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 09, 2018 09:14 PM (7LY+6)

395 Haven't been watching the news, any celebs hang themselves today?

Posted by: wth at June 09, 2018 09:14 PM (HgMAr)

396 What happened to Rob Reiner?

To call him a meathead today would be unseemly, because meatheads are smarter than hm.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 09, 2018 09:15 PM (hyuyC)

397 382 Also, make sure you have someone else look at your script for plot holes before spending money on your movie.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 09, 2018 09:03 PM (xJa6I)

But I did! Recommended to me by none other than the esteemed George Lucas. Went over the script with a fine toothed comb. Not a plot hole in sight!
Posted by: Drew Pearce at June 09, 2018 09:09 PM (gDSJf)

That explains a few things...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 09, 2018 09:15 PM (xJa6I)

398 NaCly Dog, you're a respected stalwart of this (or any) community, and I appreciate your observation.


Let me try to be not too contrarian or difficult, and not too cryptic, by saying I'm enjoying much in the public square since the last election. As a pointy-headed Beltway livin' swamp dwellin' sophistimicate by background, I am especially enjoying Trump's Truman-esque directness and brusqueness in dealing with certain "big" topics, as opposed to the unbelievably lame and/or stupid mumbling and sloganeering that was long the standard.


My fundamental pessimism remains fairly robust.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 09, 2018 09:15 PM (QDnY+)

399 377 ...I saw the Hotel Artemis yesterday.
..........

Does Sofia Boutella show us her tits? No?
I'm out.
Posted by: wth at June 09, 2018 09:07 PM (HgMAr)

No tits, nice legs and face though.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 09, 2018 09:15 PM (xJa6I)

400 One movie I hope was accurate is Hotel Rwanda--desperately grim but I hope it wasn't playing fast and loose with the truth.

Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at June 09, 2018 09:16 PM (nBr1j)

401 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 09, 2018 09:14 PM (xJa6I)

It wasn't happy but it was satisfying.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at June 09, 2018 09:16 PM (2DOZq)

402 "Brawl in Cell Block 99" is a good, solid, B-movie.

Great acting by Vince Vaughn. Creepy villains with creepy plans so they deserve what they get.

Same writer also did "Bone Tomahawk", which has been mentioned here a couple of times.

A Western with a similar B-movie, grindhouse aesthetic as BiCB99.


If you like those movies, check out "No One Lives" a nasty, gory, tense little thriller that edges into horror. Very well done.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 09, 2018 09:17 PM (9q7Dl)

403 'To call him a meathead today would be unseemly, because meatheads are smarter than hm.'

Shithead is a fine word.

Posted by: fried peafowl at June 09, 2018 09:17 PM (UdKB7)

404 monopoly/public accommodation thing is going to have to be looked at

I suspect this is like school authorities fomenting shooting scenarios so they can demand gun bans. The big players in communication screening want nothing more than to be designated "public utilities." They will control all the rule-making processes, and there will be no more troublesome new competitors. They are just gaming us now, to make us demand it.

Just for kicks I'd like to see the President announce he's nationalizing the whole shebang. No need to follow through. Just, like, slipping it in the wrong'un in the woods at the picnic. Just to see the look on her face.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 09, 2018 09:17 PM (H5rtT)

405 Vince Vaughn did a great job too.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at June 09, 2018 09:17 PM (2DOZq)

406 387 375 How many people saw Brawl in Cell Block 99?
----

I did. Brutal, stripped down beauty of a flick.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 09, 2018 09:12 PM (JxMDl)


Bone Tomahawk and Brawl in Cell Block 99 is the best double feature made in a very long time.

Posted by: Pickles at June 09, 2018 09:17 PM (O6j88)

407 Laughing because that is one of the movies I actually saw in a theater that I liked. My only issue was that there was not enough music. Silly me.

Kidlet is still trying to get a dog. Now she wants older dogs -- I approve, but she has to budget for inevitable costs because current Dog and Cat are not getting any younger, nor are our finances any better.

Posted by: mustbequantum at June 09, 2018 09:17 PM (MIKMs)

408 "Don't see any alternative, if no true alternate hosting site develops"

Vimeo does that, don't they?

Posted by: Apostate at June 09, 2018 09:17 PM (z2FAZ)

409 Stifle yourself, Meathead!

Rob Reiner: Trump First President 'Supported By Mainstream Media'
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 09, 2018 09:12 PM (+y/Ru)



Meathead must not know the meaning of the word supported

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 09, 2018 09:18 PM (SiINZ)

410 I haven't read any quotes yet but apparently Justin was badmouthing PDT after he had left for the Far East. PDT only ever retaliates as we all know.

Posted by: andycanuck at June 09, 2018 09:18 PM (Evws/)

411 rhomboid

"My fundamental pessimism remains fairly robust." Well, we are always fallen creatures.

But carry on, my good man.

Your insights are treasures to those of us like me that have less of your exotic background.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 09, 2018 09:19 PM (hyuyC)

412 403 'To call him a meathead today would be unseemly, because meatheads are smarter than hm.'

Shithead is a fine word.
Posted by: fried peafowl at June 09, 2018 09:17 PM (UdKB7)

There was a character in Catch-22 called Scheiskopf, which means shithead.
That's a book a really liked but have never been led to reread. I've never sat through the entire movie.

Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at June 09, 2018 09:19 PM (nBr1j)

413 Once YouTube got clean away from not showing Prager U videos which any normal human could see is a political move, anyone else becomes fair game for those Fascists

Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2018 09:19 PM (pHfeF)

414 Posted by: naturalfake at June 09, 2018 09:17 PM (9q7D

No One Lives was good but no one was a good guy. Kind of interesting premise though that they have you root for a serial killer psycho.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at June 09, 2018 09:20 PM (2DOZq)

415 383
Or that whole monopoly/public accommodation thing is going to have to be looked at, seriously.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 09, 2018 09:09 PM (QDnY+)


Either everybody gets to discriminate, or nobody gets to discriminate.

The former is more in keeping with a free society.

Posted by: rickl at June 09, 2018 09:21 PM (sdi6R)

416 Brownell's has had their channel terminated by YouTube.

I'm looking at https://www.full30.com/.

Some Moron turned me on the Youtube front end https://hooktube.com/ to avoid the ad annoyance.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2018 09:21 PM (yQpMk)

417 Now I've got to see Cell Block.

Vince Vaughn has gotten good at playing semi-heavies, after doing a lot of comedies. Hard to pull off.

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 09, 2018 09:21 PM (pV/54)

418 I could well but I will speculate here.
I doubt the English as spoken by Kings and Lords in the middle ages and earlier was as sharply differentiated from that spoken by commoners as depicted in movies.
On the other hand, I wonder if the English by Welsh bowmen and foot soldiers from others parts of Britain was not quite distinctive.
Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at June 09, 2018 08:50

Depends on what time frame you are talking about. The early Normans spoke some form of French, never English, as did the Norman nobles. I just read that Richard 1 never spoke Engilish and hardlt visited the country and spent most of his time in his domain of Normandy.

I do recall it wasn't till Richard the III that English laws were written in English. He's a much maligned monarch.

Posted by: Farmer at June 09, 2018 09:22 PM (yJ1e6)

419
If you want to see some pure non-historical kookoobananas movies about famous classical composers, check out-

Ken Russell's

"The Music Lovers"
"Mahler"
"Lisztomania"



You can expect plenty of historically accurate scenes like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jjFsciRauU

Posted by: naturalfake at June 09, 2018 09:22 PM (9q7Dl)

420 395 Haven't been watching the news, any celebs hang themselves today?
Posted by: wth at June 09, 2018 09:14 PM (HgMAr)

They thought about it but after the measly one day story Boordain got, the ROI declined

Posted by: REDACTED at June 09, 2018 09:22 PM (iOL28)

421 401 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 09, 2018 09:14 PM (xJa6I)

It wasn't happy but it was satisfying.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at June 09, 2018 09:16 PM (2DOZq)

Brawl had the ending it earned. Maybe it couldn't have ended any other way. But I vividly remember the 'oh shit' moment when I realized there was no way for Vaughn to get out of this. All he could do was take care of his family.

Good stuff. Ballsy, like I said. Like letting Thanos win.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 09, 2018 09:23 PM (xJa6I)

422 Once met a guy who had been shot down in his P-47 late in the war (February '45?), and spent his short POW time at one of the 5 special Luftstalags of which the one from the "Great Escape" was one (number III).


Have mentioned him before. He said Fritz was everyone's friend by the time he was there, Red Cross packages galore - the allies were closing in. So he had an easy time. He recalled some coldness and harassment from "old timers" who'd been in the camps for several years towards the new guys like him.


Posted by: rhomboid at June 09, 2018 09:24 PM (QDnY+)

423 You gotta see "Won't you be my Neighbor," the documentary of Mr. Rogers. It was lovely and a rebuke to just about every producer of entertainment for children since the 60's.

Posted by: vivi at June 09, 2018 09:25 PM (11H2y)

424 369 Another great composer movie, while not as great as "Amadeus" is-

"Immortal Beloved".

It's about Beethoven. Probably not historically accurate, but man, pure ear and eye candy.

Nice story and Gary Oldman makes a great Beethoven.
Posted by: naturalfake at June 09, 2018 09:03 PM (9q7Dl)

Oooh, the critics hated that one but I loved it. The scene where Beethoven is revealed in public to be deaf (not the scene where he has to put his ear to the piano to play Fur Elise (Moonlight Sonata?)) is heartbreaking.

Posted by: joncelli, Deplorable Yet Fuzzy at June 09, 2018 09:25 PM (1FhAQ)

425
Depends on what time frame you are talking about. The early Normans spoke some form of French, never English, as did the Norman nobles. I just read that Richard 1 never spoke Engilish and hardlt visited the country and spent most of his time in his domain of Normandy.

I do recall it wasn't till Richard the III that English laws were written in English. He's a much maligned monarch.
Posted by: Farmer at June 09, 2018 09:22 PM (yJ1e6)

But its not that the Lords spoke Oxford english while the bowmen spoke like cockneys.

Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at June 09, 2018 09:25 PM (nBr1j)

426 338
Going back even a hundred years, the combined human and animal funk of an average city would probably make a modern 1st worlder puke.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at June 09, 2018 08:15

An episode that I always find darkly amusing was an incident early on in Victoria's reign known as "The Great Stench". Weather patterns went stagnant one summer and supposedly the smell over London got so bad that even 20 miles away it made people want to puke. And it stuck around for 3 or 4 months.

It was the thing that finally made London realize they needed to start thinking seriously about actually building a sewer system, rather than just dumping everything into either the street or the Thames.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 09, 2018 09:26 PM (V2Yro)

427 Skip, yep, shutting down Prager U., FFS, for unacceptable material was sort of a big signal flare saying "hey, we're dumb authoritarians, we're not gonna tolerate intelligent Liberal material here!".


Posted by: rhomboid at June 09, 2018 09:26 PM (QDnY+)

428 One reason for clog-type footwear was to keep the feet above all the much and shit in the streets.

Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at June 09, 2018 09:27 PM (nBr1j)

429 One of my favs is The Fallen Idol. Kinda weird that Sonia Dresdel didn't have a bigger career

Posted by: REDACTED at June 09, 2018 09:27 PM (iOL28)

430 Good stuff. Ballsy, like I said. Like letting Thanos win.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 09, 2018 09:23 PM (xJa6I)

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Posted by: Pickles at June 09, 2018 09:27 PM (O6j88)

431 It was the thing that finally made London realize they needed to start thinking seriously about actually building a sewer system, rather than just dumping everything into either the street or the Thames.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 09, 2018 09:26 PM (V2Yro)


I thought that was the John Snow cholera thing that did that?

Posted by: hogmartin at June 09, 2018 09:28 PM (fZuhk)

432 I so very much identified with Ocean's 8. Sigh.

Posted by: Baracky O'Cracky at June 09, 2018 09:29 PM (Tyii7)

433 Depends on what time frame you are talking about. The early Normans spoke some form of French, never English, as did the Norman nobles. I just read that Richard 1 never spoke Engilish and hardlt visited the country and spent most of his time in his domain of Normandy. "

It's hard to grasp what a fragmented and segmented place the early middle ages was. The nobility, and the Courts, all spoke Norman French. The common people spoke saxon originally, which morphed into middle English. Meanwhile, the Church, which at one point controlled up to 1/4 of all the farmland in England through a complicated series of holdings, did all of its business in Latin.

It would have been a wild time to be alive.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 09, 2018 09:31 PM (V2Yro)

434 I thought that was the John Snow cholera thing that did that?"

They had already started the sewer system at that time, but John Snow finally convinced everyone "Hey, you know it's a really bad idea to let our latrines run over into our drinking water."

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 09, 2018 09:33 PM (V2Yro)

435 Chaucer's time, mid to late 1300's, must have been interesting as hell. Govt and world-trade types spoke Middle English, kind of Frenchy but if you hold your mouth right and look up a few words, it's English. The rest of everybody still spoke late dialects of Old English, which sounds to use like German, loud, with a Norse accent.
They were not hillbillies. Couple of very fine poetic narratives, The Pearl and Sir Gawain and the Green Knight, just about contemporary with Chaucer's jaunty jaundiced moderne rhymes, all courtly and Italianate.

Geoff of course spoke all the big tongues of his time, worked as an interpreter sometimes -- but must have had an interesting time of it up in Coventry, where he wrote part of the Tales project to kill time when he was our of favor and sent, well, to Coventry. Everybody else our there would have been an OE speaker except his colleagues in legal business and the wine trade.

Still some fine movie scripts to be had cheap from his Tales, and source material like Decameron. No interest, even though there was, years ago.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 09, 2018 09:33 PM (H5rtT)

436 Oregon, I assume you're feeling well?

Posted by: Jean at June 09, 2018 09:33 PM (mIN7l)

437 When you tour The Shambles in York today it all seems quaint and lovely but 800 years ago it would have been filthy, crowded and noisome, with the contents of toilets being rained down on your heads as you walked.
Plus the smell and flies from butcher shops.

Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at June 09, 2018 09:34 PM (nBr1j)

438 Now the imported ass-lifters throw all their shit in the street or the Thames anyway.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 09, 2018 09:34 PM (t6WbA)

439 There's some reason to believe William Wallace spoke French and Latin.

Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at June 09, 2018 09:35 PM (nBr1j)

440 Decameron. No interest, even though there was, years ago.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 09, 2018 09:33 PM (H5rtT)

Ask any high schooler about the Decameron and they'll probably ask you which NBA team he plays for.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 09, 2018 09:35 PM (BRvh1)

441 you elevate this blog Mr. Muse and quite a lot
thank you

Posted by: happyfeet at June 09, 2018 09:36 PM (mLfQi)

442 i've made my opinion of "amadeus" known here before - it says little of what it means to be an artist but strokes the vanity of the narcissists in hollywood who imagine themselves artists but are really just craftsmen playing with piles of money.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 09, 2018 09:36 PM (Pg+x7)

443 If a movie was made using old English it would be hard to understand

Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2018 09:36 PM (pHfeF)

444 noisome
Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at June 09, 2018 09:34 PM (nBr1j)


This is a good word. Let's bring this word back, people.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 09, 2018 09:36 PM (fZuhk)

445 If a movie was made using old English it would be hard to understand
Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2018 09:36 PM (pHfeF)




Hmmmmmmmm.

Posted by: Mel Gibson at June 09, 2018 09:37 PM (9q7Dl)

446 If a movie was made using old English it would be hard to understand
Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2018 09:36 PM (pHfeF)


I think there's a video somewhere of Eddie Izzard (maybe?) speaking Old English with a Frisian. It's wild.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 09, 2018 09:38 PM (fZuhk)

447 There's some reason to believe William Wallace spoke French and Latin.

But didn't wear a kilt.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2018 09:38 PM (yQpMk)

448 More OT, but interesting (and hilarious) to note that the SSCI leaker was confronted 12/2017 ...... arrested/probably given a "deal" 6/2018. Hmmmm.


In the interim, we can hope/assume quite a bit of shenanigans have been pulled by investigators to smoke out more leakers, and their network of "journalists".


Appears one of the more outrageous media errors (yeah, I know, high bar), that email to Don Jr re Wikileaks in which the media reported the incorrect date was *probably a deliberate shot of barium to trace the channels of disclosure*.


We'll see, but at this point, at least a provisional, but Vincent Price-style "bwahahaha!" reaction seems warranted.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 09, 2018 09:38 PM (QDnY+)

449 If a movie was made using old English it would be hard to understand
Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2018 09:36 PM (pHfeF)

I think there's a video somewhere of Eddie Izzard (maybe?) speaking Old English with a Frisian. It's wild.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 09, 2018 09:38 PM (fZuhk)


w00+ found it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeC1yAaWG34

Posted by: hogmartin at June 09, 2018 09:38 PM (fZuhk)

450 William Wallace: Oui. Parce que chaque jour j'ai pensé à toi.

[Yes. Because every single day I've thought about you]

Murron: [hesitates, impressed despite herself, then smiles] Do that standing on your head and I'll be impressed.

William Wallace: Well, my kilt will fly up, but I'll try.

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 09, 2018 09:39 PM (pV/54)

451 You can expect plenty of historically accurate scenes like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jjFsciRauU

Posted by: naturalfake at June 09, 2018 09:22 PM (9q7Dl)
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I knew what it was before I even clicked on the link.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 09, 2018 09:40 PM (JxMDl)

452 Hey everybody, okay I'm back.

Re 'desperate people doing desperate things' movies, I recently finally saw The Treasure Of The Sierra Madre for the first time.

It was good, but not as great as I had always heard. Maybe I need to watch it a few more times. And the semi-happy ending seemed kind of tacked on.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 09, 2018 09:41 PM (eMKNe)

453 449 If a movie was made using old English it would be hard to understand
Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2018 09:36 PM (pHfeF)

I think there's a video somewhere of Eddie Izzard (maybe?) speaking Old English with a Frisian. It's wild.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 09, 2018 09:38 PM (fZuhk)

w00+ found it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeC1yAaWG34
Posted by: hogmartin at June 09, 2018 09:38 PM (fZuhk)


There's enough 'ja ja ja' there to warm my scandi heart.

If you listen to it instead of watch it, it's surprising how much of both side I understood.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 09, 2018 09:42 PM (xJa6I)

454 Amadeus, Figaro.

Posted by: Baracky O'Cracky at June 09, 2018 09:42 PM (Tyii7)

455 452 Hey everybody, okay I'm back.

Re 'desperate people doing desperate things' movies, I recently finally saw The Treasure Of The Sierra Madre for the first time.

It was good, but not as great as I had always heard. Maybe I need to watch it a few more times. And the semi-happy ending seemed kind of tacked on.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 09, 2018 09:41 PM (eMKNe)

Jah, ignore the last few seconds with the 'Hollywood' ending. Up until then you have a great study of greed, desperation and human nature.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 09, 2018 09:43 PM (xJa6I)

456 Magnifico oh oh oh oh

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2018 09:43 PM (yQpMk)

457 Victorian London did build that extensive sewer tunnel system, to avoid cesspits beneath the city, but they never did build a treatment system. They simply flushed the sewage down-river more energetically. Tally- ho.


EPA is requiring many cities to build cesspits. Storm sewers run into sanitaries in many systems, which will overwhelm the treatment plant in a storm. So they build deep tunnels, and totally safe, whatever could go wrong, storage pools -- of raw sewage -- to store it until the plant can catch up.
The Kennedy family's pet fascism, "Water Keepers," has bullshitted many into believing they are a government department and therefore may not be opposed. I wish them a long and lingering death of the diseases they foment.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 09, 2018 09:43 PM (H5rtT)

458 If you listen to it instead of watch it, it's surprising how much of both side I understood.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 09, 2018 09:42 PM (xJa6I)


Right? And you can even (barely) get by listening to it with Hochdeutsch.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 09, 2018 09:43 PM (fZuhk)

459 A broon coo!

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at June 09, 2018 09:44 PM (+Tibp)

460 Mark, exactly. Things wrap up just a bit too neatly in that flick. Was surprised to see that.

Guess Huston finally said "ah shit, I wouldn't mind making a little extra money off this thing..."

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 09, 2018 09:44 PM (eMKNe)

461 the Auld Alliance was a thing. of course the Scots nobility learnt French.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 09, 2018 09:44 PM (6FqZa)

462 443 If a movie was made using old English it would be hard to understand
Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2018 09:36 PM (pHfeF)

Old English is basically unintelligible unless you speak it. Closer to Danish and Faroese, if anything. Saxon/Aenglisch are really much more Germanic in vocabulary and pronunciation than modern English.

Early middle would sound weirdly familiar, but still foreign and mostly unintelligible.

Late middle (Chaucerian, more or less) sounds like people who only vaguely speak English doing a bad impression of it. Largely intelligible, but still very alien.

Hell, even Tudor era Modern English can make you stumble unless you're really paying attention or really accustomed to dealing with it

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 09, 2018 09:44 PM (BRvh1)

463 Wonder if Laura I is laying for the Hogg ?? She seems like the patient type

Posted by: REDACTED at June 09, 2018 09:44 PM (iOL28)

464 443 If a movie was made using old English it would be hard to understand
Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2018 09:36 PM (pHfeF)


After hearing some old English on the history of English podcast I agree. It sounds like odd cadence German with the oddly place sidedly pronounced English word.

Posted by: Buzzion at June 09, 2018 09:45 PM (ibMyS)

465 458 If you listen to it instead of watch it, it's surprising how much of both side I understood.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 09, 2018 09:42 PM (xJa6I)

Right? And you can even (barely) get by listening to it with Hochdeutsch.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 09, 2018 09:43 PM (fZuhk)

That farmer sounded amazingly like the elderly Iowa farmers of my grandather's generation. Really took me back.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 09, 2018 09:45 PM (xJa6I)

466 Pretty fierce wind howling out of the south right now, here at stately Peon Manor.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 09, 2018 09:45 PM (WFV7d)

467 You can expect plenty of historically accurate scenes like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jjFsciRauU

Posted by: naturalfake at June 09, 2018 09:22 PM (9q7Dl)
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I knew what it was before I even clicked on the link.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 09, 2018 09:40 PM (JxMDl)




Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine.



Try this one one for size.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO31n8sy0r0

Posted by: naturalfake at June 09, 2018 09:46 PM (9q7Dl)

468 Wonderful account, wonderful movie. Now I realize I need to update my collection and kiss the VHS version goodbye. Director's Cut! Woot!

Posted by: MathMom at June 09, 2018 09:46 PM (Y2sod)

469 "Treasure of Sierra Madre" was widely hailed as a great communist indictment of greedy capitalists, and was written by a mysterious expatriate who is the only known literary figure of Pomerania.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 09, 2018 09:46 PM (H5rtT)

470 460 Mark, exactly. Things wrap up just a bit too neatly in that flick. Was surprised to see that.

Guess Huston finally said "ah shit, I wouldn't mind making a little extra money off this thing..."
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 09, 2018 09:44 PM (eMKNe)

Smells of studio interference to me.

Lots of movies that have a 'down' trajectory have that abrupt turnabout in the last couple minutes.

Dunno. Maybe they're right. There's enough bleakness out there, no need to make it worse in movies, I guess.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 09, 2018 09:47 PM (xJa6I)

471 Stringer, you mean B. Traven?

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 09, 2018 09:47 PM (eMKNe)

472 OregonMuse - your movie posts are my favorite thing at Ace of Spades. Identify with so many of your films. Here is one for you to revisit in our current age of "Teh Resistance" (sic). Farewell My Concubine. That whole 90s Chinese film Renaissance was a thing to behold. Red Sorghum, Raise the Red Lantern, Qui Ju, Ju Do, and more. Great stuff before all the flying through the trees Golden Dagger/Hero stuff.

Posted by: OM_Fan at June 09, 2018 09:48 PM (C68fl)

473 Quick review: Deadpool II

A film for morons, of our sort. Deadpool is, of course, foul-mouthed, aware that he's a fictional character (at least, that's one way to interpret his wall-breaking), and not impressed by anyone, really. Except his love, of whom he says:

DP: "I love [her] like the ocean loves water."
Weasel: "An ocean is water..."

Deadpool doesn't respond to this, because, well, that was his point.

I rate this above most superhero movies because the conflict isn't that the entire universe is in danger and the god-like heroes have to defeat a near-god villain. It's a guy atoning for his mistakes, helping himself (and others) deal with personal tragedies. For all that the Deadpool character is a borderline psychopath, he's still likable enough to be heroic.

Don't see if you don't like obscene jokes, drug jokes, pop culture references, jokes about other movies, or CGI fights.

Do see if you want to see the only movie in 2018 that gives Jack Benny a musical credit.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at June 09, 2018 09:48 PM (fVubI)

474 And yes!! Amadeus is afuckin' masterwork!!

Posted by: OM_Fan at June 09, 2018 09:48 PM (C68fl)

475 Wierdly pronounced*. Stupid autocucumber.

Posted by: Buzzion at June 09, 2018 09:48 PM (ibMyS)

476 Mark, true. I know Jack Warner wasn't shy about giving directives to directors to "put more butts in seats." (Although ol' Jack probably had a more colorful term for it.)

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 09, 2018 09:48 PM (eMKNe)

477 Am I the first to note that Cynthia Nixon played a very believable frightened maid to the Mozart household? She has gone downhill ever since.

Posted by: MathMom at June 09, 2018 09:48 PM (Y2sod)

478 What about Amadeus II. Using some deft retconning, Salieri actually used a syringe to remove midichlorians from Mozart's bloodstream and inject them into his own when Mozart was ill. Now we have Salieri, supercomposer, and a returned zombie Mozart angry that he has been exploited by Salieri.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 09, 2018 09:49 PM (/qEW2)

479 Posted by: OM_Fan at June 09, 2018 09:48 PM (C68fl)

Awkward.

Nobody tell him and see how long it lasts.

Posted by: Sjg at June 09, 2018 09:50 PM (gDSJf)

480 Steve and Cold Bear, report to my office first thing 9am Monday. Tell no one. Bring no one.

Posted by: James Cameron at June 09, 2018 09:50 PM (eMKNe)

481 Don't know about the Amadeus movie. I understand Mark Hamill played Mozart in the Broadway play that the movie is based upon.

But TJM really needs to do a post on Flash Gordon. A movie unfairly ridiculed.

Posted by: MAGA at June 09, 2018 09:50 PM (LnOh3)

482 Was there ever a Mad Magazine version called AMADeus??

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 09, 2018 09:51 PM (eMKNe)

483 478 What about Amadeus II. Using some deft retconning, Salieri actually used a syringe to remove midichlorians from Mozart's bloodstream and inject them into his own when Mozart was ill. Now we have Salieri, supercomposer, and a returned zombie Mozart angry that he has been exploited by Salieri.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 09, 2018 09:49 PM (/qEW2)

In Amadeus III, we find out that both Salieri and Wolfie were ripping off Constanze, who was the real musical genius behind the scenes.

She then beats up and incapacitates five Swiss Guards, just because.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 09, 2018 09:51 PM (BRvh1)

484 OregonMuse - your movie posts are my favorite thing at Ace of Spades. Identify with so many of your films.


Heh.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2018 09:52 PM (yQpMk)

485 Every thread here has obscene jokes.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 09, 2018 09:52 PM (t6WbA)

486 MAGA, there might be something about that in the upcoming Freddy Mercury biopic, Bohemian Rhapsody.

Tons of buzz about it already, particularly with the rock DJs at SiriusXM. They mention it EVERY time they play a Queen song, which is often.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 09, 2018 09:53 PM (eMKNe)

487 Quick, TJM, do your best Dangerfield impersonation.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 09, 2018 09:53 PM (BRvh1)

488 But TJM really needs to do a post on Flash Gordon. A movie unfairly ridiculed.
Posted by: MAGA at June 09, 2018 09:50 PM (LnOh3)

Here! Hear!

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 09, 2018 09:53 PM (hMwEB)

489 478 What about Amadeus II. Using some deft retconning, Salieri actually used a syringe to remove midichlorians from Mozart's bloodstream and inject them into his own when Mozart was ill. Now we have Salieri, supercomposer, and a returned zombie Mozart angry that he has been exploited by Salieri.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 09, 2018 09:49 PM (/qEW2)

This is why we can't have nice things.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 09, 2018 09:53 PM (xJa6I)

490 I show up for the debauchery and foul jokes.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 09, 2018 09:53 PM (t6WbA)

491 I also liked Deadpool 2. Good of its kind

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 09, 2018 09:54 PM (pV/54)

492 Ok, grump. I'm back. But I have no clue what The Fountain was about. Rachel Weiss, but no sniper rifles or boobehs.
Yes, death allegory. Got it.
Think I'll peruse roku and eat some junk food.

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2018 09:54 PM (+n4DQ)

493 Mark, wait 'til the endless line of SJW movies come out that claim EVERY thing whitey's ever done for humanity was ripped off from some impoverished minority without a name...

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 09, 2018 09:54 PM (eMKNe)

494 Deadpool 2 was not as good at the first movie.

But it got Cable and Juggernaut right and that ain't nothin'.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 09, 2018 09:55 PM (xJa6I)

495 What about Amadeus II. Using some deft retconning, Salieri actually used a syringe to remove midichlorians from Mozart's bloodstream and inject them into his own when Mozart was ill. Now we have Salieri, supercomposer, and a returned zombie Mozart angry that he has been exploited by Salieri.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at June 09, 2018 09:49 PM (/qEW2)

Gold! That's gold!

How soon can we start shooting?

And does the title Revenge of the Sithlieri work for you?

Also we'll need some good toy designs, Toys 'r' Us hasn't been returning my calls. Maybe he can have a giant mech suit with laser guns?

Posted by: George Lucas at June 09, 2018 09:55 PM (gDSJf)

496 English is Germanic.

https://youtu.be/IIo-17SIkws

Here a scholar makes the case. This is a continuation of a previous video, but he makes the case more strongly here.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 09, 2018 09:55 PM (rnAwa)

497 493 Mark, wait 'til the endless line of SJW movies come out that claim EVERY thing whitey's ever done for humanity was ripped off from some impoverished minority without a name...
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 09, 2018 09:54 PM (eMKNe)

Where's my gun?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 09, 2018 09:55 PM (xJa6I)

498 Yes, death allegory. Got it.

The author had just been through his parents dying of cancer or something.


So though, did you like the movie? Was it "good"?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2018 09:55 PM (yQpMk)

499 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JP9ZCejJm80
Best thing u will watch all weekend!

Posted by: OM_Fan at June 09, 2018 09:56 PM (C68fl)

500
Try this one one for size.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO31n8sy0r0
Posted by: naturalfake at June 09, 2018 09:46 PM (9q7Dl)
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Ha! Hadn't seen that one! It's like a moving James Ensor painting.

Call me weird, but I like the crazypants batshittery of a Ken Russell movie.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 09, 2018 09:56 PM (JxMDl)

501 Damn.

ONT is nood

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 09, 2018 09:57 PM (xJa6I)

502 Ctrl-F tells me that only Apostate and I have watched Cloud Atlas.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2018 09:57 PM (yQpMk)

503 Mark: your gun is right where you left it, next to the beer at 7-Eleven. :-P

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 09, 2018 09:57 PM (eMKNe)

504 Best film thing this weekend - tiny URL https://tinyurl.com/ybe4uwrt

Posted by: OM_Fan at June 09, 2018 09:58 PM (C68fl)

505 One movie I hope was accurate is Hotel Rwanda--desperately grim but I hope it wasn't playing fast and loose with the truth.
Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at June 09, 2018 09:16

I read a lot about that. I think the movie was good, just a terrible situation. Good film all in all, IMO.


Posted by: Farmer at June 09, 2018 09:58 PM (yJ1e6)

506 When my then boyfriend, now husband, took me to Amadeus, at the end I said, "Oscar". Well, I should have said "Eight Oscars", and I thought it was a crying shame that Hulse was nominated for Best Actor and not Best Supporting Actor, because both of the men should have won.

As to your father saying that you would think differently about it in a few years, that happened to me, but not with Amadeus. Out Of Africa was a movie I was thrilled to get on VHS because it was so great in the theater. I have watched it again, only once. Weird.

Amadeus, however, we took with us on our first motor home trip in Alaska, and ran the generator to power the VCR, watching Amadeus as we camped by the Kenai River.

Posted by: MathMom at June 09, 2018 09:58 PM (Y2sod)

507 B. Traven is the guy. I would bet he knew Trotsky, one way or another.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 09, 2018 09:59 PM (H5rtT)

508 Kraut vs Mclame


class vs ass

Posted by: REDACTED at June 09, 2018 09:59 PM (iOL28)

509 496 English is Germanic.

https://youtu.be/IIo-17SIkws

Here a scholar makes the case. This is a continuation of a previous video, but he makes the case more strongly here.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 09, 2018 09:55 PM (rnAwa)



Maybe a mostly Germanic base. It's definitely an amalgam. It definitely beats up other languages in back alleys and raids their pockets for spare words.

Posted by: Buzzion at June 09, 2018 10:00 PM (ibMyS)

510 Yeah you don't really watch Amadeus for history, its nonsense without very much validity at all. All evidence points to Salieri and Mozart being on good terms, and obviously anyone who loves music would be utterly overwhelmed by Mozart's incredible talent. Plus, the movie is vaguely blaphemous, mocking faith and peity.

But it works anyway, because its so respectful to the music and the times, and so well acted.

And I love in Last Action Hero where Arnie asks Abraham if he killed Moe Zart.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 09, 2018 10:01 PM (39g3+)

511 One movie I hope was accurate is Hotel Rwanda--desperately grim but I hope it wasn't playing fast and loose with the truth.
Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at June 09, 2018 09:16 PM (nBr1j)

Yeah, Don Cheadle is as accurate in his depiction of the hotel manager as he was as a porn actor in
Boogie Nights. Hate to break it to you but

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/georgianne-nienaber/hollywood-debunked-hotel-rwanda_b_5013072.html

Normally, I wouldn't link anything to the Puff Post because they are SJW TDS types. They normally would not have questioned the narrative about how Africans are also misunderstood angels.
So, when they reveal dirty laundry on the melanin enhanced, it adds some credibility.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 09, 2018 10:01 PM (9BLnV)

512 Final verdict on red sparrow - good cold war spy thriller
Stonefaced JLaw is well-cast
Feels a bit like The Americans

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 09, 2018 10:05 PM (hMwEB)

513 I am a little silhouetto of a man, what a douche, what a douche.

Posted by: Baracky O'Cracky at June 09, 2018 10:06 PM (Tyii7)

514 "Ctrl-F tells me that only Apostate and I have watched Cloud Atlas."

That seems to be the case.

It's a good, deep film. This is not for casual viewing. It's been a few years, but what I remember is that it addresses meaningful questions of ethics, governance (of self and by the state), and the immortality of the soul.

Posted by: Apostate at June 09, 2018 10:08 PM (z2FAZ)

515 But TJM really needs to do a post on Flash Gordon. A movie unfairly ridiculed.

Flash Gordon's biggest flaw is that people were expecting Star Wars or something serious when it was given as a silly pulp romp with retro humor and events. I think the same thing happened to Dick Tracy, it was over long but I thought pretty good and could have been nice if more tightly cut and edited.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 09, 2018 10:11 PM (39g3+)

516 But TJM really needs to do a post on Flash Gordon. A movie unfairly ridiculed.
Posted by: MAGA at June 09, 2018 09:50 PM (LnOh3)

Seen it.
Boring and pretentt, imo.

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 09, 2018 10:12 PM (hMwEB)

517 pretentious

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 09, 2018 10:12 PM (hMwEB)

518 It's a good, deep film. This is not for casual viewing. It's been a few years, but what I remember is that it addresses meaningful questions of ethics, governance (of self and by the state), and the immortality of the soul.


I just enjoy figuring out who is who in the different timelines.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2018 10:13 PM (yQpMk)

519 Flash Gordon's biggest flaw is that people were expecting Star Wars or something serious when it was given as a silly pulp romp with retro humor and events. I think the same thing happened to Dick Tracy, it was over long but I thought pretty good and could have been nice if more tightly cut and edited.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 09, 2018 10:11 PM


Dick Tracy suffered from Batman. It came out not long after and in commercials at least was definitely putting out a similar vibe.

Posted by: Buzzion at June 09, 2018 10:13 PM (ibMyS)

520 516 But TJM really needs to do a post on Flash Gordon. A movie unfairly ridiculed.
Posted by: MAGA at June 09, 2018 09:50 PM (LnOh3)

Seen it.
Boring and pretentt, imo.
Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 09, 2018 10:12 PM (hMwEB)

That's really weird - I meant to say CLOUD ATLAS is boring and pretentious.
FLASH GORDON is awesome.

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 09, 2018 10:13 PM (hMwEB)

521 The best part of Cloud Atlas is the asylum.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2018 10:14 PM (yQpMk)

522 anyway, I'm obviously too sleepy to post now
good night horde

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at June 09, 2018 10:14 PM (hMwEB)

523 It came out not long after and in commercials at least was definitely putting out a similar vibe.

I agree, they sold it very poorly. It felt a lot like Batman visually, but the story was more classic strong jawed hero stuff, very accurate to the original material. But it was a bit overlong and tighter editing would make Dick Tracy a lot better.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 09, 2018 10:17 PM (39g3+)

524 515 But TJM really needs to do a post on Flash Gordon. A movie unfairly ridiculed.

Flash Gordon's biggest flaw is that people were expecting Star Wars or something serious when it was given as a silly pulp romp with retro humor and events. I think the same thing happened to Dick Tracy, it was over long but I thought pretty good and could have been nice if more tightly cut and edited.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 09, 2018 10:11 PM (39g3+)

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Yes, it's science fantasy. It's more akin to Wizard of Oz than Star Wars. In fact, there are a few references to Oz. The Imperial Vortex, Dale looking at an hourglass in despair, going from a drab Earth to a colorful land.

View Mongo as an hyper fascist decadent police state and I doubt there is any other movie as damning of that form of government.

Posted by: MAGA at June 09, 2018 10:20 PM (LnOh3)

525
A Jets quarterback? A Jets quarterback? Really?

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at June 09, 2018 10:29 PM (e1mEI)

526 Speaking of Charles Dickens, I saw "The Man Who Invented Christmas" last week and liked it.

Bastard dumped his wife after ten kids, though, to be with a seventeen-year-old actress.

Posted by: Gem at June 09, 2018 10:35 PM (XoAz8)

527 "Flash Gordon's biggest flaw is that people were
expecting Star Wars or something serious when it was given as a silly
pulp romp with retro humor and events. I think the same thing happened
to Dick Tracy, it was over long but I thought pretty good and could have
been nice if more tightly cut and edited.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 09, 2018 10:11 PM (39g3+)



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Yes, it's science fantasy. It's more akin to Wizard of Oz than Star
Wars. In fact, there are a few references to Oz. The Imperial Vortex,
Dale looking at an hourglass in despair, going from a drab Earth to a
colorful land.



View Mongo as an hyper fascist decadent police state and I doubt there is any other movie as damning of that form of government.


Posted by: MAGA"

I love Flash Gordon. Especially the soundtrack by Queen. And the hot chicks.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at June 09, 2018 10:38 PM (w+Jhj)

528 Don't worry about whether or not "Amadeus" is based on history. It's based on Pushkin's short story "Mozart and Salieri," which Peter Shaffer based his play on (and then the movie). Pushkin's story is amazing for the 9 pages it takes up, introducing almost every theme in the play & movie. Is villainy compatible with genius?

Salieri places art on a sacred plane, ready to kill in order to "save" it. Mozart, having just been poisoned by Salieri, feels differently (irony dripping off the page since he doesn't realize Salieri poisoned him):

If all
Could feel like you the power of harmony!
But no: the world could not go on then. None
Would bother with the needs of lowly life;
All would surrender to spontaneous art.
We chosen ones are few, we happy idlers,
Who care not for contemptible usefulness,
But only of the beautiful are priests.
Is that not so?

Posted by: Dwight at June 09, 2018 10:39 PM (iAl7a)

529 Tom Hulce does such a good job playing Mozart because he's so vapid and even kind of annoying but talented. Its effortless, the musical brilliance just rolls off him without even trying. Then he laughs and you share Salieri's contempt.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 09, 2018 10:50 PM (39g3+)

530 Amadeus is easily in my Top Ten.

Posted by: St. James Comey, Superstar and Son Of God at June 09, 2018 10:59 PM (BiLU+)

531 If I had a top ten list, it would be all Hitchcock and John Ford, plus A Hard Days Night and Ben Hur.

Down Eros, up Mars!

Posted by: Texican ette at June 09, 2018 11:05 PM (23LHC)

532 Lisa is right, "Amadeus" combines the historical accuracy of "The DaVinci Code" with the musical depth of "Mamma Mia". As for the climatic scene where the dying Mozart corrects Salieri's work, as Oscar Wilde said, you'd have to have a heart of stone not to laugh.

It's a bloody shame that for many people, this godawful movie is the only contact they've ever had with Mozart or his work. Man, talk about poisoning the well!

Posted by: Brown Line at June 09, 2018 11:24 PM (5BUDs)

533 Saw it in the theater when it first came out. Hulce was over the top and the story was nonsense.

Posted by: Floridacracker at June 10, 2018 12:06 AM (ykpj4)

534 This was okay, but in this genre I preferred Dangerous Liaisons.

Posted by: Random Thought Generator at June 10, 2018 12:16 AM (iOKfQ)

535 "Amadeus" was, and remains, a devastating piece of live theater. In the early 1980s, I was fortunate to see it on B'way (with Ian McKellen and Tim Curry) and again on tour (with John Wood and Mark Hamill). In Act II, Salieri is on stage virtually the entire time, and his destruction of Mozart simply left the audience stunned.

I saw a great local production a few years ago, which proved that one need not have Brits or name actors to make it work.

I will endeavor to watch the film again soon.

Posted by: Darwin Akbar at June 10, 2018 03:30 AM (/HPTN)

536 The Director's Cut really is a Director's Cut and probably is the superior version of the film

I beg to differ - the original cut was perfection. The added scenes in the Director's Cut do not enhance the film in any way, but detract from it instead.

Posted by: Lyford at June 10, 2018 06:43 AM (CcBsx)

537 Bastard dumped his wife after ten kids, though, to be with a seventeen-year-old actress.
Posted by: Gem at June 09, 2018 10:35 PM (XoAz

Chuck was a playa'. Don't hate da playa'. Hate da game.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 10, 2018 09:03 AM (9BLnV)

538 "Amadeus" should confirm for the ages that soundtrack makes the movie. Whoever selected the music did one HECK of a job.

And it's not just the music, but in the case of the "confutatis maledictis" scene, the text of the piece (the Dies Irae) is reflected/utilized by Hulce in the way he moves and speaks. (Rule 1 of excellent sung music: The music illuminates the text)

And of course, the carriage-ride, shaken occupants, darkened skies, .....wow.
Same goes for the music underlying Mozart's father's scenes. Tells you all you need to know about that relationship (whether it's fiction is irrelevant).

Posted by: dad29 at June 10, 2018 09:50 AM (7Kti7)

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