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But there is something even more surprising and strange in this report. The suicide rate has increased for women in particular during this period of time, narrowing the gap in the suicide rate between men and women (men have always taken their lives more often than women). The suicide rate is up 63% for women aged 45-65 and up 200% for girls aged 10-14. I can't think of a reason for this general trend in women committing suicide more often, except my go-to reason for everything: Society is undergoing the most profound social experiment in history -- shifting the main locus of where life is lived from the real world to a cyber simulacrum -- and that has big effects on people and their psychology and physical health that we will not understand even partly for 30 years. Social competition, evaluations of one's looks, fitness, and lifestyle to check if one is pulling ahead or falling behind in the rat race, bullying and conformity-monitoring, and instant-stress via social media feeds are now things people often experience every minute or two rather than a few times per week. It may also be that the brain itself has preferred rhythms of excitement and boredom. But with instant stimulation always a key-push away, we might be overstimulating our brains (often with junk stimulation, of course) without giving it the expected lazy pauses in between. A lot of people think that it's healthy to have a mind at rest on occasion. Anyone who meditates believes that, certainly. And many artists, writers, philosophers, and theologists and scientists have sought out places of quiet (and even boredom) in which to do their deeper thinking. Add into that the fact that the brain is designed to navigate a physical world of scent and sounds and pheromones, and not a virtual world of text and pictures and pornography. Previous generations have bemoaned man's alienation from God, and man, and society; we're now dealing with an alienation from physical reality itself. There may well be plenty of benefits to our Always Online Age, but there are undoubtedly huge negative consequences as well. None of that is intended to be read about Kate Spade. As she's an individual, no broad guess about trends affecting entire populations is really applicable.
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Sad. I knew nothing about her until today.
Posted by: zombie at June 06, 2018 03:26 PM (c+2jX) 2
Depression is a brutal disease.
Posted by: tbodie at June 06, 2018 03:27 PM (+q52R) 3
I thought David Spade was her cousin. Turns out he's her BIL.
Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at June 06, 2018 03:27 PM (2NqXo) 4
Corgis called
Posted by: rickb223 at June 06, 2018 03:28 PM (bKPAB) 5
None of that is intended to be read about Kate Spade. As she's an individual, no broad guess about trends affecting entire populations is really applicable.
She hinted in her note that she killed herself because of marital problems. She actually did an awful thing -- in her suicide note, she told her daughter "It's not YOUR fault - -but if you want to know why I did this, ask your father!" Which makes the little daughter get involved in their marital problems at a terrible time. Bad thing to say in a suicide note. Posted by: zombie at June 06, 2018 03:28 PM (c+2jX) 6
the great social experiement that says that women are boys who get paid 77 cents on the dollar for the exact same job (narrator: these are not the same jobs)
Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at June 06, 2018 03:29 PM (FOPyv) 7
Wish we could wrap up the why Commiecrats act like traitors thread first, but IIRC, women are more likely to *attempt* suicide, but men are much more likely to *succeed* at it.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 06, 2018 03:29 PM (ujg0T) 8
surely women enjoy working more than children
Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at June 06, 2018 03:30 PM (FOPyv) 9
Top ten?
Posted by: Kareem Ofweet at June 06, 2018 03:30 PM (gLylO) 10
Yes!!!
Posted by: Kareem Ofweet at June 06, 2018 03:30 PM (gLylO) 11
>>>She hinted in her note that she killed herself because of marital problems.
yup. A very old reason for suicide. Posted by: ace at June 06, 2018 03:30 PM (8rNrN) 12
If anyone wants to get off the topic of sad news and hear some heart-lightening good news instead, here's an alternate thread-within-a-thread topic:
GOOD NEWS ANECDOTE Yesterday was heading to the BART (subway) station in Berkeley. All along downtown were freshly applied posters, stickers and signboards for some event sponsored by the RCP -- the Revolutionary Communist Party. This is in no way remarkable -- the RCP constantly plasters Berkeley with their posters and signs. You always see them everywhere. But here's where the story gets interesting: As I got tot he BART station entrance, a mid-20s bearded white guy -- an obvious new recruit in the RCP cult -- was standing there handing out flyers to passersby, saying, "Come learn about socialism and how it's the REAL solution to our problems!" Walking directly behind me were two tall Cal student boys who had been talking about the classes at UC Berkeley. Just as I passed the RCP dude and started down the stairs to the subway station, he again repeated to the group behind me, "Come learn about socialism and how it's the REAL solution to our problems!" Guess what happened next? One of the Cal students yelled at the guy angrily, "FUCK socialism! FUCK communism! Communism is responsible for 100 million deaths since World War II! Get those fuckin' flyers out of my face!" And the yelling continued as I made my way down to the train. Made my day. The tide is turning -- even in Berkeley. I have never ever EVER heard anyone talk back to the communist leafletters in Berkeley. Until yesterday. Posted by: zombie at June 06, 2018 03:30 PM (c+2jX) Posted by: Joe, living dangerously at June 06, 2018 03:30 PM (XNkEi) Posted by: ace at June 06, 2018 03:31 PM (8rNrN) Posted by: Fauxy Hauntas at June 06, 2018 03:31 PM (UFLLM) 16
>>But with instant stimulation always a key-push away, we might be overstimulating our brains (often with junk stimulation, of course) without giving it the expected lazy pauses in between.
Another reason to put down the Twitter pipe. Posted by: Roy at June 06, 2018 03:31 PM (7n4KQ) 17
I can't think of a reason for this general trend in women committing suicide more often
Sure you can Ace. White Men Posted by: wrg500 now posting from his bunker at June 06, 2018 03:31 PM (Bdeb0) 18
She no longer identified as a living person.
Posted by: Axeman at June 06, 2018 03:31 PM (vDqXW) 19
I didn't know who she was until my wife told me. Still very sad.
Posted by: SteveOReno at June 06, 2018 03:32 PM (2sCft) 20
She actually did an awful thing -- in her suicide note, she told her daughter "It's not YOUR fault - -but if you want to know why I did this, ask your father!"
Saw that as well. Just...wow. Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 06, 2018 03:32 PM (7LY+6) 21
As well, it should be noted that while suicide by firearms and poisoning has declined,
That makes the gun-grabbers really sad since suicide by gun is the bulk of their bullshit "gun violence" numbers. Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 06, 2018 03:32 PM (ZxqOz) 22
I am not surprised to see women reaching parity.
Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at June 06, 2018 03:32 PM (5jVnA) 23
"It's not YOUR fault - -but if you want to know why I did this, ask your father!"
I read the article, but I had not see that in the suicide note. Boy that is a big and final FU to the husband. Looking to trash their relationship on her way out the door. Posted by: Paladin at June 06, 2018 03:32 PM (hxLER) 24
We are insisting that women should live like men, that doing so will make them happy, and that men are entirely optional after the bootknocking.
I cannot imagine why women are less happy. Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at June 06, 2018 03:32 PM (beZXb) 25
She was David Spade's sister in law is what I heard.
Posted by: SteveOReno at June 06, 2018 03:33 PM (2sCft) 26
The pill and women in the work force is another huge societal change. Perhaps going on a little sooner than cyber stuff - but still relatively new. Along with the concept of delaying motherhood (if you go through it at all).
Posted by: SH at June 06, 2018 03:33 PM (sX1BW) 27
It is hard to know why some people commit suicide. Take this hottie for example. Yes, I was a Moron who actually tuned into the Bachelor(ette) finding it fascinating in a trainwreck sort of way. This lady had men lined up to court her, and yet.....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gia_Allemand Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 06, 2018 03:33 PM (ujg0T) Posted by: Roy at June 06, 2018 03:33 PM (7n4KQ) 29
-shifting the main locus of where life is lived from the real world to a cyber simulacrum- Ace Actually, that is a nice turn of phrase. And a warning. Guess I'll go do the metal recycling. Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at June 06, 2018 03:33 PM (e1mEI) 30
Posted by: zombie at June 06, 2018 03:28 PM (c+2jX)
I hadn't thought of that angle-marital problems. and her getting involved in that It's a good point. I just thought it's not helpful for a parent to say that to a kid because they'll feel guilty anyway. Many survivors of family members who committed suicide do. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2018 03:33 PM (vw6r3) 31
She cashed in her 401k to start her business which she ran out of her apartment with her husband. Pretty admirable. I wonder if waiting until she was 42 to have a kid had any effect on her depression or was it an attempt to help the depression?
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at June 06, 2018 03:33 PM (y1gYQ) 32
She could no longer take her husband manspreading on the couch, that she could barely sit down.
Posted by: Axeman at June 06, 2018 03:34 PM (vDqXW) 33
What did she do for a living?
Posted by: dantesed at June 06, 2018 03:34 PM (88xKn) Posted by: concrete girl at June 06, 2018 03:34 PM (IVQr2) 35
14 >>>3 I thought David Spade was her cousin. Turns out he's her BIL.
I thought he was her brother. --------- David and his brother are quite the wasps, actually. check out Fuck Yeah, Andy Spade... Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at June 06, 2018 03:34 PM (FOPyv) 36
Ancient Astronaut Theorists agree the 'Suicide by Alien' is the worst
Posted by: SMOD at June 06, 2018 03:34 PM (ckI7j) 37
I think you're right about checking out of the physical world. I've gone out to dinner with my wife, and in the lobby, waiting for our table, observed everyone else. There have been times when everyone except two younger kids (~8 & ~5) have been on their phones, including couples whom we can tell are on dates.
When I was on a date, I paid attention to my date and my date to me. Pay attention to a phone instead? That would have been a short date. Posted by: Virginia SoCon at June 06, 2018 03:34 PM (+/C3g) 38
22 I am not surprised to see women reaching parity.
Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at June 06, 2018 03:32 PM (5jVnA) ++++ Aren't women achieving parity in many other categories like heart disease, strokes and many other diseases, conditions that were more predominant in men. Finally they are achieving true equality!! Posted by: SteveOReno at June 06, 2018 03:35 PM (2sCft) 39
so, basically this is as the movie Tron predicted
Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at June 06, 2018 03:35 PM (FOPyv) 40
>>>33 What did she do for a living?
she was one of the world's most famous designers of handbags. I'm sure she made other things, but handbags were her forte. Posted by: ace at June 06, 2018 03:35 PM (8rNrN) Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2018 03:35 PM (vw6r3) 42
33 What did she do for a living?
Posted by: dantesed at June 06, 2018 03:34 PM (88xKn) Sold high priced bags and other stuff to womynz. Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at June 06, 2018 03:35 PM (5jVnA) 43
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The best way to stop the Women's Suicide Epidemic is to ban guns and narcotic pain killers! Posted by: Fauxy Hauntas at June 06, 2018 03:31 PM (UFLLM) IIANM, women typically don't go the violent route when they attempt suicide. Pills, slit wrists, hanging all offer, albeit perhaps only a brief chance, but a chance nonetheless at "chickening out" or being rescued. (no jokes about a lack of commitment). Men on the other hand tend to go all in. Tough to come back after a shotgun blast to the cranium. Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 06, 2018 03:35 PM (jxbfJ) 44
Daily mail had the story yesterday. Today they updated and said her husband had moved out and was looking to divorce her. They also claim she was bi-polar.
My mother was bi-polar and my father looked after her until she died at 74. IMO husband was an ass-hole ... but what do I know. Posted by: Off the reservation at June 06, 2018 03:35 PM (vWMNq) 45
I think about suicide all the time, the only reason I don't buy the farm is because I don't want my parents to suffer. But once they go, I'm out as well.
There's nothing to compel me to continue living after my parents since I've never been married or had kids. the world is a circle and I'm a square peg that doesn't belong. Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at June 06, 2018 03:36 PM (+dsLj) 46
She cashed in her 401k to start her business which she ran out of her apartment with her husband. Pretty admirable. I wonder if waiting until she was 42 to have a kid had any effect on her depression or was it an attempt to help the depression?
---------- See my comment at 26. Having kids later on in life is bound to have ramifications on society - some that can easily be seen, others that will be harder to deduce. But for most of human history, you were done having kids by 42 - not going after your first. Posted by: SH at June 06, 2018 03:36 PM (sX1BW) 47
>>>I think you're right about checking out of the physical world. I've gone out to dinner with my wife, and in the lobby, waiting for our table, observed everyone else. There have been times when everyone except two younger kids (~8 & ~5) have been on their phones, including couples whom we can tell are on dates.
it's really remarkable, and sad. I now judge how successful a dinner meeting is by how long it takes before everyone gets on their fucking phones. If it goes an hour and half before then -- well, that's a success. Posted by: ace at June 06, 2018 03:36 PM (8rNrN) 48
I can't think of a reason for this general trend in women committing suicide more often,
Because it's becoming the fashionable mental illness among women. Women are traditionally driven to exhibit the same mental problems, whether it's hysterical paralysis or anorexia or bullemia or whatever the current trend in female neurosis happens to be. Some deranged behavior becomes current and it spreads like wildfire among the ladies. Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 06, 2018 03:36 PM (ZxqOz) Posted by: In Vino Veritits at June 06, 2018 03:36 PM (UFLLM) 50
My personal opinion about her reasons for suicide are this: She peaked too early.
She went from obscurity to sudden global fame and billionaire-status in the '90s when here purse designs overnight became the trendiest thing on the planet and de rigueur fashion accessories for every woman. And then she sold her company to a big corporation and "retired". In her 30s. She got so bored that she then, 15 years later, started a new fashion line which she named after her daughter. But this new fashion line wasn't the massive hit her first line of purses was - -she was just another over-the-hill clothing retailer. The let-down must have been very very depressing. She couldn't recapture the magic. But she was still too young to "do nothing." Couldn't handle the comparative "failure." At least that's my theory. Posted by: zombie at June 06, 2018 03:36 PM (c+2jX) 51
I'm going to posit this, and most of you are going to think it's incredibly stupid, and that's fine.
I'm still going to say it. I believe that the conformity-monitoring and cyber-mobs are primarily INTENDED to raise the suicide count. Posted by: Hikaru at June 06, 2018 03:36 PM (WDCYi) 52
BTW Ace, this is one of your best posts.
Posted by: Virginia SoCon at June 06, 2018 03:37 PM (+/C3g) 53
There's nothing to compel me to continue living after my parents since I've never been married or had kids. the world is a circle and I'm a square peg that doesn't belong.
Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at June 06, 2018 03:36 PM (+dsLj) Not so. Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at June 06, 2018 03:37 PM (5jVnA) 54
At least that's my theory.
Posted by: zombie at June 06, 2018 03:36 PM (c+2jX) Nah. Daily mail spells out the details pretty well. Posted by: Off the reservation at June 06, 2018 03:37 PM (vWMNq) 55
I thought he was her brother.
Posted by: ace at June 06, 2018 03:31 PM (8rNrN) She was married to David Spade's brother.... Also, to add something else I read, she didn't sell her company for $2.4B... the company she originally sold out to did that. Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at June 06, 2018 03:37 PM (jjaLl) 56
She actually did an awful thing -- in her suicide note, she told her daughter "It's not YOUR fault - -but if you want to know why I did this, ask your father!"
Which makes the little daughter get involved in their marital problems at a terrible time. Bad thing to say in a suicide note. Posted by: zombie at June 06, 2018 03:28 PM (c+2jX) That is not what she wrote! Dammit people. It was a short note. She said "Ask Daddy" after saying she loved her. I interpret that as getting assurances from her father she was loved, and about her mother's battle with manic-depression, (and possible marital struggles). They were married over 30 years. Kate refused to get help for her bipolar disorder. There was an interview with Kate's sister that is very revealing. I did a post in last night's ONT about it. I hate when people spread rumors like this. Some people are interpreting it as what you wrote. It was not what Kate wrote. Also, her sister tells a much bigger story. Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June 06, 2018 03:37 PM (8sZIF) 57
she was one of the world's most famous designers of handbags. I'm sure she made other things, but handbags were her forte.
Well, no wonder you're sad. Posted by: dantesed at June 06, 2018 03:37 PM (88xKn) 58
For the young girls, maybe shit like "13 Reasons Why" is having an impact.
Posted by: buzzion at June 06, 2018 03:37 PM (lKs2v) Posted by: ace at June 06, 2018 03:37 PM (8rNrN) 60
There is a condition known as 'revenge suicide'. If the content of the note is accurate, this situation fits. It's twisted, hard to understand. My ex is bipolar, Ive seen a lot of inexplicable behavior such as this.
Posted by: BluesFish at June 06, 2018 03:37 PM (ph+pr) 61
Lack of Vitamin D
Posted by: Central Scrutinizer at June 06, 2018 03:38 PM (vI+F1) 62
Suicide of any type is senseless. Suicide of a very rich middle aged woman is beyond stupid. She had all the FU money in the world. None of her problems were unsolvable. She had the world in the palm of her hand. SAD! Saying that I will now say she was a selfish twat. WTF she had a 13 yo daughter to take care of and love despite her marital problems. Fuck her and the horse sh rode in on.
Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at June 06, 2018 03:38 PM (0OmEj) 63
Eh. I said most of what I have on this sort of thing this morning. All I'll add is that the note she left clearly indicates what sort of person she was at core--a hollow, selfish one.
I pray and feel bad for the survivors, but as for her...I'm just not THAT good a person, I guess. Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at June 06, 2018 03:38 PM (AM1GF) Posted by: ace at June 06, 2018 03:38 PM (8rNrN) 65
The Spades made under $100 million selling her company -- her baby -- and it got resold to Coach last year for $2.4 billion. And she's 55
And she was manic depressive, by all accounts Facts that may have played a role in the marital discord Posted by: Ignoramus at June 06, 2018 03:38 PM (n+6mJ) 66
"Previous generations have bemoaned man's alienation from God, and man,
and society; we're now dealing with an alienation from physical reality itself." ** I call this the matrix withing the matrix. Posted by: dananjcon at June 06, 2018 03:38 PM (xqfqx) 67
I think you guys are interpreting the note incorrectly. I believe it said ,
I've always loved you. It's not your fault. Ask Daddy. I took that to mean ask daddy how much she loved her. Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at June 06, 2018 03:38 PM (y1gYQ) 68
Suicide is contagious. The rise in suicide for teenage girls is quite scary. My 15-year-old niece who lives with my wife and I frequently comments on how frequently her friends and acquaintances bring it up.
Posted by: IanDeal at June 06, 2018 03:38 PM (5mrLG) 69
She hinted in her note that she killed herself because of marital problems.
She actually did an awful thing -- in her suicide note, she told her daughter "It's not YOUR fault - -but if you want to know why I did this, ask your father!" Which makes the little daughter get involved in their marital problems at a terrible time. Bad thing to say in a suicide note. Posted by: zombie at June 06, 2018 03:28 PM (c+2jX) That is a nasty piece of work right there. So, she tells the daughter that 'she' is not at fault, but then casts the blame on the father, alienating the daughter from her father at the time when she will need her father the most- just after she has lost her mother. There is a reason I view suicide as a supremely selfish act. Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 06, 2018 03:39 PM (ycWCI) 70
No one is happy in the modern age. We've told men that they must be like women and women that they must be like men. That's not who most of us are - inside our heads.
When I met my wife she was all grrl power! Had a career ... gonna keep it. Enjolie and all that. We had our first kid, once separation anxiety started it became harder for her to let go. Got even worse with the second. We made commitments based on her original position but now she's miserable and I'm trying to get her out of the workforce as quickly as I can without totally destroying our chances at a retirement. Men and women are different. People need to recognize and embrace that. A strong religious life is good, close communities are good, in the end though women have to be women and not try to be men and vice versa. I am not a psychiatrist but I saw a Holiday Inn commercial yesterday. Posted by: Laughing in Texas at June 06, 2018 03:39 PM (xQfPr) 71
>>The Spades made under $100 million selling her company -- her baby -- and it got resold to Coach last year for $2.4 billion. And she's 55
And she was manic depressive, by all accounts ... a hundred million is still a hundred million. Posted by: ace at June 06, 2018 03:39 PM (8rNrN) 72
Have you guys found the note we wrote blaming Trump? Go check the nightstand, dummies...
Posted by: This Is CNN at June 06, 2018 03:39 PM (ULAz4) 73
Posted by: ace at June 06, 2018 03:36 PM (8rNrN)
Even if I had a cell phone that wasn't really old fashioned I wouldn't use it to check things out while at dinner. I'm not that popular to see who might be texting me and I certainly want to enjoy my dinner and the company-not check to see the internet. There was a 20 something woman getting her hair done at a place I was at. She was holding her phone up in the air while her hair was being washed. The 50 year old stylist I had and I thought that was incredible. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2018 03:39 PM (vw6r3) 74
I believe that the conformity-monitoring and cyber-mobs are primarily INTENDED to raise the suicide count.
Posted by: Hikaru at June 06, 2018 03:36 PM (WDCYi) --- From a naturalistic standpoint, that sounds kind of daft. But if you are open to the idea that there is a human motivation and behind that is the motivation of a coordinating force, then it sounds a little more likely. Most Christians would know the name we commonly call that coordinating force. Posted by: Axeman at June 06, 2018 03:39 PM (vDqXW) 75
Didn't read the link.
I wonder if this is just US-based data or Western World and/or global. Posted by: Diogenes at June 06, 2018 03:39 PM (0tfLf) 76
I hate when people spread rumors like this. Some people are interpreting it as what you wrote. It was not what Kate wrote. Also, her sister tells a much bigger story.
Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel Huh. If that's the case I retract that part of my previous post. I'll fully admit I haven't bothered to read up on any of it; judge that as you will. Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at June 06, 2018 03:39 PM (AM1GF) 77
Their was a woman near me that left her ID keys etc in her apartment and She was missing, The local press was saying that their might be foul play scared the crap out of us because we lived so close, then driving by we saw choppers and some horse Cops looking through the bushes we knew they were looking for a body. The found her in the woods, she just went outside and shot herself, nobody knows why she did it
Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at June 06, 2018 03:40 PM (dKiJG) 78
Suicides UP in girls from 10 - 14.
WTF?!?!? I think there's a link 100% to the amount of medication parents are putting their kids on these days. EVERYONE is ADHD now, right? That and the liberal "participation trophy" crap that prevents kids from learning the VALUABLE LESSON of failure and rejection and how to overcome it. When you don't fail, you don't know how to handle it and when it HAPPENS, you kill yourself or others because your brain is broken. Posted by: Sponge at June 06, 2018 03:40 PM (F4u7C) 79
Posted by: Laughing in Texas at June 06, 2018 03:39 PM (xQfPr)
I'm not everyone ion the modern age, but I'm usually pretty happy. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2018 03:40 PM (vw6r3) 80
https://tinyurl.com/ya9hjwvt
Link to daily-mail story. It's been updated since I read it but "marriage crumbling" appears a couple of times (didn't re-read, just noticed the phrase while scrolling). Posted by: Off the reservation at June 06, 2018 03:40 PM (vWMNq) 81
I think you guys are interpreting the note incorrectly. I believe it said ,
I've always loved you. It's not your fault. Ask Daddy. That's really not a nice parting statement to a young girl. I took that to mean ask daddy how much she loved her. Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at June 06, 2018 03:38 PM (y1gYQ) Doubtful. Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 06, 2018 03:40 PM (ZxqOz) 82
Opps...just answered my own question.
American. Posted by: Diogenes at June 06, 2018 03:40 PM (0tfLf) 83
My mother-in-law gave us an iPhone last year, since my wife and I have crappy pre-paid cell phones. She even offers to pay the bill. It's still in the box, in part because I'm a bit of a Luddite but also because I don't want to be one of those people who are so absorbed in their phone that they miss life.
The other day, the kids were at swim practice and most parents were looking at their phone. I was looking up at a beautiful June evening, ~75 degrees and sunny after weeks of rain. Everything was just so beautifully green, and I think I was one of the only ones appreciating it. Posted by: Virginia SoCon at June 06, 2018 03:41 PM (+/C3g) 84
I found a handbag once at the thrift store that had a Kate Spade tag on it. Brought my prize home, looked it up online, and read that she never used that type of fabric. The article said, "Try peeling off the label. They're usually glued on." Sure enough, it peeled right off. I like the handbag anyway and use it to this day. It's not like I paid a lot of $ for it. But I laugh to myself about my Kate Spade thrift store find.
Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at June 06, 2018 03:41 PM (2NqXo) 85
Sad, there should be a solution but it is a individual problem
Posted by: Skip at June 06, 2018 03:41 PM (pHfeF) 86
I believe that the conformity-monitoring and cyber-mobs are primarily INTENDED to raise the suicide count.
Posted by: Hikaru at June 06, 2018 03:36 PM (WDCYi) --- From a naturalistic standpoint, that sounds kind of daft. But if you are open to the idea that there is a human motivation and behind that is the motivation of a coordinating force, then it sounds a little more likely. Most Christians would know the name we commonly call that coordinating force. Posted by: Axeman It's a way of eliminating those you hate without risk or mess. It's an utterly fiendish development, horrifying to watch when you've watched the Internet develop since before AOL was a thing. Powers and Principalities, folks, Powers and Principalities. Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at June 06, 2018 03:41 PM (AM1GF) 87
68 Suicide is contagious. The rise in suicide for teenage girls is quite scary. My 15-year-old niece who lives with my wife and I frequently comments on how frequently her friends and acquaintances bring it up.
Posted by: IanDeal at June 06, 2018 03:38 PM (5mrLG) Not really that surprising. Considering the cornucopia of hormones raging in a kid of that age, before they have had time to get used to it, they are not inherently stable to begin with. Add in the current feel to pile pharmaceuticals onto the whole mess and it is a recipe for disaster. Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 06, 2018 03:42 PM (ycWCI) 88
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The best way to stop the Women's Suicide Epidemic is to ban guns and narcotic pain killers! Posted by: Fauxy Hauntas at June 06, 2018 03:31 PM (UFLLM) And scarves! Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 06, 2018 03:42 PM (di1hb) 89
Willowed:
just to be clear, no matter the question, murder is never the answer True. However people who happen to die in the violence of a second civil war - even if they are targeted by snipers - are simply casualties of war, not murder victims. Posted by: An Observation at June 06, 2018 03:42 PM (e0qb0) 90
The time is now for a national discussion on common-sense scarf laws.
Posted by: David Hogg at June 06, 2018 03:42 PM (l2max) 91
I took that to mean ask daddy how much she loved her.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at June 06, 2018 03:38 PM (y1gYQ) --- Also, that dad would--*of course*--reinforce the idea that it wasn't her fault. It's actually pretty smart, because any father who cares for his children--no matter how he felt toward his wife--is going to back that play. Posted by: Axeman at June 06, 2018 03:42 PM (vDqXW) 92
I interpret that"
That's all anyone can do. Your interpretation is no more valid than any other... Geesh. Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 06, 2018 03:42 PM (7LY+6) 93
Apparently the scarf she used was fabulous!
Posted by: Roland THTG at June 06, 2018 03:43 PM (xBSm0) 94
Daily mail had the story yesterday. Today they updated and said her husband had moved out and was looking to divorce her. They also claim she was bi-polar.
My mother was bi-polar and my father looked after her until she died at 74. IMO husband was an ass-hole ... but what do I know. Posted by: Off the reservation at June 06, 2018 03:35 PM (vWMNq) They were married 30 years, and I don't think he was the a-hole. She had refused to get help for her bipolar disorder her whole life. NOw she was in her 50s and probably menopausal, and maybe becoming impossible. Her sister's interview was very revealing. Kate refused to get help for bipolar disease and everyone else around her suffered for it. I lost some compassion for her once I learned that. There's a lot more, but thought some clarification was needed. Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June 06, 2018 03:44 PM (8sZIF) 95
Posted by: zombie at June 06, 2018 03:30 PM (c+2jX)
One of my happiest memories at college, apart from graduating, was when I was simultaneously accosted by anti-death penalty and socialist activists. The anti-death penalty person reached me first, I looked her in the eye and said. "You know what's wrong with the death penalty?" Then I looked at the socialist and said "They don't kill enough commies." Everyone with me laughed. Good times, good times. Posted by: Laughing in Texas at June 06, 2018 03:44 PM (xQfPr) 96
get yer handbags here, cheap.
Posted by: Kate Spade New York at June 06, 2018 03:44 PM (HgMAr) 97
Daily mail seems to have 6 or more stories on the front-page now ... family dispute in public. Lovely.
Posted by: Off the reservation at June 06, 2018 03:44 PM (vWMNq) 98
53 There's nothing to compel me to continue living after my parents since I've never been married or had kids. the world is a circle and I'm a square peg that doesn't belong.
Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at June 06, 2018 03:36 PM (+dsLj) Not so. Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at June 06, 2018 03:37 PM (5jVnA) Agreed. You may be a square peg. I'm pretty sure the AoSHQ Style Guide requires that all who hang out here be square pegs. Posted by: cornbred at June 06, 2018 03:44 PM (IRi7y) 99
First, I want to say that what happened Kate Spade is very tragic.
Then...more and more people are on drugs - prescription drugs. I suspect they are partially to blame for this increase in suicide rate. It is very likely that she was on something, and that exacerbated her problems. Posted by: runner at June 06, 2018 03:44 PM (bUjCl) 100
More First world problems.
Posted by: Damnedyankee at June 06, 2018 03:44 PM (37IEG) Posted by: Idiot Leftist at June 06, 2018 03:44 PM (8iiMU) 102
If we dug into single car drunk driving deaths we'd find that many are suicides with plausible deniablity
Posted by: Ignoramus at June 06, 2018 03:44 PM (n+6mJ) 103
51 I'm going to posit this, and most of you are going to think it's incredibly stupid, and that's fine.
I'm still going to say it. I believe that the conformity-monitoring and cyber-mobs are primarily INTENDED to raise the suicide count. Posted by: Hikaru at June 06, 2018 03:36 PM (WDCYi) I DON'T think it is stupid at all, Hikaru. Just like how the victims of Chairman Mao's "Cultural Revolution" were all too often driven to suicide, it totally makes sense. The Commiecrats here are just taking that to cyberspace now. Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 06, 2018 03:44 PM (ujg0T) 104
I read that the brand she sold to Nordstrom for a few million was later sold for billions. That has to bite.
Either that, or her apparent perpetual feud with her hairdresser. Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at June 06, 2018 03:44 PM (LWu6U) 105
WTF?!?!? I think there's a link 100% to the amount of medication parents are putting their kids on these days. EVERYONE is ADHD now, right?
That and the liberal "participation trophy" crap that prevents kids from learning the VALUABLE LESSON of failure and rejection and how to overcome it. When you don't fail, you don't know how to handle it and when it HAPPENS, you kill yourself or others because your brain is broken. Posted by: Sponge at June 06, 2018 03:40 PM I believe there is a lot to this. Also, there is the issue of when a kid does fail, are there two parents there to help make it a learning experience? Posted by: Diogenes at June 06, 2018 03:45 PM (0tfLf) 106
Willowed: just to be clear, no matter the question, murder is never the answer True. However people who happen to die in the violence of a second civil war - even if they are targeted by snipers - are simply casualties of war, not murder victims. Posted by: An Observation at June 06, 2018 03:42 PM (e0qb0) Wait..... No one here thinks the proper response to someone raping or killing your wife/mother/etc is to find the piece of shit and murder the bastard? Really? Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at June 06, 2018 03:45 PM (jjaLl) 107
The woman who was the GF of Mick Jagger-and also a designer committed suicide in the same way. Maybe Kate Spade was aware of thatt.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2018 03:45 PM (vw6r3) Posted by: Shemp Smith at June 06, 2018 03:45 PM (UFLLM) 109
True. However people who happen to die in the violence of a second civil war - even if they are targeted by snipers - are simply casualties of war, not murder victims.
Posted by: An Observation I wonder--if you consider war as "the part where folks start getting killed en masse", is it possible it's already started? I speculated earlier about the weaponization of depression--a sort of psychological warfare horrifying in its implementation and implications--and wonder if the Internet troll is the sniper, and the Internet mob the armed militia, of this stage of an undeclared all-out war... Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at June 06, 2018 03:45 PM (AM1GF) 110
94 There's a lot more, but thought some clarification was needed.
Thanks for that. See my post 97 though. Posted by: Off the reservation at June 06, 2018 03:45 PM (vWMNq) 111
Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 06, 2018 03:42 PM (7LY+6)M
Well is it all right if I 'interpret' what was originally posted as not what she wrote in the note? Geesh. Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at June 06, 2018 03:45 PM (y1gYQ) 112
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I believe that the conformity-monitoring and cyber-mobs are primarily INTENDED to raise the suicide count. Posted by: Hikaru at June 06, 2018 03:36 PM (WDCYi) --- From a naturalistic standpoint, that sounds kind of daft. But if you are open to the idea that there is a human motivation and behind that is the motivation of a coordinating force, then it sounds a little more likely. Most Christians would know the name we commonly call that coordinating force. Posted by: Axeman at June 06, 2018 03:39 PM (vDqXW) Witless Life Rule Number 1 Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at June 06, 2018 03:46 PM (ymnmz) 113
102. Yep. Single-car fatalities are a yuuge pool of suicides.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Ask Me About SMR & Ancient Slavonaut Theory at June 06, 2018 03:46 PM (fA1SL) 114
Suicide has always been a touchy subject for me. A friend of mine in 9th grade (early 80s) shot himself with a 12-guage. Happened on a school night. We didn't have grief counselors or cancel school back then. Remember sitting in homeroom with this kid's best friend totally destroyed that he committed suicide. Only thing I ever heard as to why was he got into an argument with his mom.Went to the wake. Got there at the beginning of visitation hours. Nobody was there except for the mom dad. No one. What is a 14yr old kid supposed to say to that? That still haunts me to this day.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 06, 2018 03:46 PM (jxbfJ) 115
Also, to add something else I read, she didn't sell her company for $2.4B... the company she originally sold out to did that.
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at June 06, 2018 03:37 PM Not that much left and she was going to split it with hubby. Their apartment was for sale already. Posted by: Lester at June 06, 2018 03:46 PM (LfJIn) 116
Remember, the whole theory behind Facebook is to get "likes" and with Twitter "retweets" to - basically - measure yourself.
For those who could not interact - or chose not to - interact with others person-to-person, the digital world was their savior. However, if the digital - some would say - make believe world - does not want you. Does anyone really want you? We have come full circle in that trying to impress people we've actually never met - we can't take it that they don't like us. Go figure. Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at June 06, 2018 03:47 PM (bB4HN) 117
Refusing help seems not uncommon for bipolar people though (as near as I can tell from the bipolar people I've known). Problem with being crazy is that they make crazy decisions, like not taking their medication or not seeking treatment.
Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at June 06, 2018 03:47 PM (beZXb) 118
At best, her suicide note is ambivalent and impossible to conclusively interpret clearly. That alone is a poor thing to do. If you're gonna leave a note, make it crystal clear what you mean! Your loved one will now be forced to spend their lives wondering what here final words meant.
Did she man "Daddy is the reason I killed myself." or "Daddy is the person who will reassure you"? Considering that she was currently breaking up with daddy, I would tend to guess that she had a low opinion of him, and was blaming him. It seems very odd that she would say something loving and caring about the ma she was in the process of divorcing. Posted by: zombie at June 06, 2018 03:47 PM (c+2jX) 119
I've given this some deep thought and can say quite surely that it's Trump's fault.
Posted by: Gumby @ CNN at June 06, 2018 03:47 PM (2LelM) 120
Agreed. You may be a square peg. I'm pretty sure the AoSHQ Style Guide requires that all who hang out here be square pegs.
Posted by: cornbred at June 06, 2018 03:44 PM (IRi7y) Square pegs are typically more interesting than a legion of round pegs. Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at June 06, 2018 03:47 PM (5jVnA) 121
Agreed. You may be a square peg. I'm pretty sure the AoSHQ Style Guide requires that all who hang out here be square pegs.
****************** Lol, fair point, I think in certain cases suicide is a viable option as long as you don't have any family that can be hurt from it. I have one mostly online friend who I plan to leave my belongings, and that's pretty much it. Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at June 06, 2018 03:47 PM (+dsLj) 122
suicide is so sad. I feel like it is the most nasty selfish thing one could possibly do. But one cannot say that to a grieving family member or friend who is not holding the act against their loved one.
Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at June 06, 2018 03:48 PM (eASYU) 123
>>>we're now dealing with an alienation from physical reality itself.
You say that like it's a bad thing. Posted by: the Gnostics at June 06, 2018 03:48 PM (/qEW2) 124
The father of a good friend of mine in ATL had the entire family in town from across the country to watch him receive an award at a luncheon.
When they returned to the house, he demanded everyone sit down and watch the video of the awards luncheon they had just attended. When his wife, children, and grandchildren asked if they could see it later because they were all catching up with one another, he yelled, "FUCK YOU!" and stormed downstairs to the basement rec room. They heard what they thought was a door slamming. The old bastard shot and killed himself. Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 06, 2018 03:48 PM (ptqGC) 125
think you guys are interpreting the note incorrectly. I believe it said ,
I've always loved you. It's not your fault. Ask Daddy. I took that to mean ask daddy how much she loved her. Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at June 06, 2018 03:38 PM (y1gYQ) Me too. Also, to let her know the marital problems were not her fault, if that was part of it. Not getting treatment for your bi-polar disease is the biggest issue here. She refused. I'm guessing her daughter knew this, but maybe not. Maybe she was sheltered. Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June 06, 2018 03:48 PM (8sZIF) 126
98 I'm pretty sure the AoSHQ Style Guide requires that all who hang out here be square pegs.
that's why we're not allowed to wear pants, isn't it? trust but verify. Posted by: Anachronda at June 06, 2018 03:48 PM (NmR1a) 127
Bipolar people often tend-I thin-k to go off their medications more regularly that people who "just" have clinical depression, because they start feeling better and then think they don't need it.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2018 03:48 PM (vw6r3) 128
As someone bi-polar who has been right on the edge of committing suicide, there doesn't really have to be any reason for it. You view your life as meaningless and hopeless. It's a distorted perspective, but it's true for you in that moment.
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at June 06, 2018 03:48 PM (FQKBL) 129
We have come full circle in that trying to impress
people we've actually never met - we can't take it that they don't like us. Go figure. Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at June 06, 2018 03:47 PM (bB4HN) Good point...a good, sad point. Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at June 06, 2018 03:49 PM (jjaLl) 130
95 Posted by: zombie at June 06, 2018 03:30 PM (c+2jX)
One of my happiest memories at college, apart from graduating, was when I was simultaneously accosted by anti-death penalty and socialist activists. The anti-death penalty person reached me first, I looked her in the eye and said. "You know what's wrong with the death penalty?" Then I looked at the socialist and said "They don't kill enough commies." Everyone with me laughed. Good times, good times. Posted by: Laughing in Texas Double zing! Posted by: zombie at June 06, 2018 03:49 PM (c+2jX) 131
94 They were married 30 years, and I don't think he was the a-hole. She
had refused to get help for her bipolar disorder her whole life. That is the *nature* of the disease. My mother would go off her meds every couple of years and just disappear. It took almost 10 years to have her properly diagnosed. She had shock treatment when she was 16 and my grandparents told my father all about it when they were married. However, the first episode after their marriage happened when I was 10 or 11. Bi-polar disease is a form of Schizophrenia. One of my brothers inherited the condition. His first episode was at about 19 and his diagnosis led to the correct one for my mother. Posted by: Off the reservation at June 06, 2018 03:49 PM (vWMNq) 132
26 The pill and women in the work force is another huge societal change. Perhaps going on a little sooner than cyber stuff - but still relatively new. Along with the concept of delaying motherhood (if you go through it at all).
Posted by: SH at June 06, 2018 03:33 PM (sX1BW) I've believed for a long time that the Satanic daycare scare of the 1980s, of which the most notable was McMartin but there were many others, was a moral panic caused by women going into the workforce in large numbers. They started dropping the kids off in all day daycare and then felt guilty about it so when the news broke that something might be going on there it quickly gathered steam. Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 06, 2018 03:49 PM (4ErVI) 133
We didn't have grief counselors or cancel school back then.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 06, 2018 03:46 PM (jxbfJ) This thing with closing schools because of individual tragedies is silly and counter-productive. If a kid is all broken up then his parents can keep him home. And grief counselors are some of the most useless people to walk the Earth. Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 06, 2018 03:49 PM (ZxqOz) 134
105 WTF?!?!? I think there's a link 100% to the amount of medication parents are putting their kids on these days. EVERYONE is ADHD now, right?
That and the liberal "participation trophy" crap that prevents kids from learning the VALUABLE LESSON of failure and rejection and how to overcome it. When you don't fail, you don't know how to handle it and when it HAPPENS, you kill yourself or others because your brain is broken. Posted by: Sponge at June 06, 2018 03:40 PM I am wary to blame anti-depressant medications per se. Wellbutrin and Serzone and Citalopram helped me greatly in the past. The Brain IS still a "black box" in so many ways, and some meds work wonders for some people and do nothing or even make others worse. And then some people, like that Elliot Rodger brat, just needed better parenting and some reality bitch-slaps.... Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 06, 2018 03:50 PM (ujg0T) 135
104 I read that the brand she sold to Nordstrom for a few million was later sold for billions. That has to bite.
Sold to Neiman Marcus. Nieman's has done this several times with smaller time design companies when the small company growth rate starts stuttering. Posted by: Lester at June 06, 2018 03:50 PM (LfJIn) 136
The other day, the kids were at swim practice and most parents were looking at their phone. I was looking up at a beautiful June evening, ~75 degrees and sunny after weeks of rain. Everything was just so beautifully green, and I think I was one of the only ones appreciating it.
Posted by: Virginia SoCon at June 06, 2018 03:41 PM (+/C3g) ---------------- My dad used to VHS all major school / life events. As a parent, I've gotten into the habit of recording photos / video of the same for my kids. One day, relatively recently, I had a revelation, that I was watching everything my kids were doing that was important, on my phone screen. Creating files that I was likely only going to watch one or twice, and most likely lose at some point by accident. I've stopped for the most part. I'm done constantly trying to scramble to get my phone out, cue the app, and get everything into the frame. I'd much rather take the whole thing in, and be there. I'm there, my kids know we're there, and we all have brains to remember the moment. Posted by: reason at June 06, 2018 03:50 PM (l2max) 137
I LOVE square pegs in my round hole!
Posted by: Shemp Smith at June 06, 2018 03:45 PM (UFLLM) Do I dare ask which hole? Posted by: Surfperch at June 06, 2018 03:50 PM (E/U1b) 138
@77, Patrick, I'm going by memory, but something like 3/4s of suicides never leave a note.
As for the rise for women -- I bet it is so much more related to personal issues -- divorce, childlessness, and career. I say this as someone who is career-focused and has had fertility struggles (and struggles within marriage): that is the perfect recipe for women to be freaking miserable. For the vast majority of us, we want a strong, monogamous, loving marriage and kids. Jet-setting and brunches and corporate work seems great up until about 30, maybe 33, and then we just want a stable family and home. And by that time, it's generally too late. Add in 35 years of divorce, and you have a 35-year-old woman with splintered relationships with both parents and probably siblings (and half- and step-siblings with spread out ages), meaning there's no secondary support network. And life sucks and then you OD on pills, the end. (I'm not depressed, btw, but I have seen that chasm, both as a single 30-something and now as a 30-something with a husband with a "modern family" and a butt-load of baggage. It's why I fight so hard for stability and haven't left.) Posted by: sunny-dee at June 06, 2018 03:50 PM (JSwOI) 139
I remember an ont once that had a lot of cartoon drawings that were very representative of what people with clinical depression face. Most people get depressed here and there but snap out of it, but if you get caught in a spiral it is a deep dark hole to climb out. And I agree social media can exacerbate it. Prayers for her family. Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 06, 2018 03:50 PM (r+sAi) 140
".......physical reality" as interpreted through our senses. Who knows if our brains worry about the difference in origin or just worry about organizing the interpreted information.
Posted by: Okdfogey at June 06, 2018 03:50 PM (VeSVZ) Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 06, 2018 03:50 PM (7LY+6) 142
It's a way of eliminating those you hate without risk or mess. It's an utterly fiendish development, horrifying to watch when you've watched the Internet develop since before AOL was a thing.
Powers and Principalities, folks, Powers and Principalities. Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at June 06, 2018 03:41 PM (AM1GF) --- I've kind of adopted the idea that Satan hates everybody. He hates the entire human race, he strongly disagrees with the idea of grace, since he has so much merit. (Of course, this is loose spiritual speculation, based on the scant scripture chiefly that 1) Satan means "accuser" and 2) he prowls like a lion). I think of humans are a demonstration that the Lord can redeem the worse of those who have a chance to be redeemed. It's a two keys scenario. Satan, then would be disgusted by us. Here he is, by his own magnificence at the head of the class, and the Lord has chosen to *sacrifice* himself for the kids fighting in the back of the room. Posted by: Axeman at June 06, 2018 03:50 PM (vDqXW) 143
119
I've given this some deep thought and can say quite surely that it's Trump's fault. Posted by: Gumby @ CNN at June 06, 2018 03:47 PM (2LelM) And men, the article implies men are a problem, male dominated work environments, not helping with child rearing, wanting women to be sexy. Bastards. If only we could go back to the old days where....oh, wait..... Posted by: Damnedyankee at June 06, 2018 03:50 PM (37IEG) 144
117 Refusing help seems not uncommon for bipolar people though (as near as I can tell from the bipolar people I've known). Problem with being crazy is that they make crazy decisions, like not taking their medication or not seeking treatment.
Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at June 06, 2018 03:47 PM (beZXb) I lost a friend, RIP, whose wife was bipolar after he and she had a disagreement over parenting issues. I suspect he had his own issues, but I also suspect that the bipolar issues helped drive him to it. He walked away from the house and shot himself. I will never forget him. Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at June 06, 2018 03:50 PM (5jVnA) 145
We have come full circle in that trying to impress
people we've actually never met - we can't take it that they don't like us. Go figure. Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at June 06, 2018 03:47 PM (bB4HN) Good point...a good, sad point. Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) When you're told from first days your worth is measured in the eyes of the collective, well, sad consequences ensue. I don't have to run down the full list. Y'all know the roll call. Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at June 06, 2018 03:51 PM (AM1GF) 146
Wait..... No one here thinks the proper response to
someone raping or killing your wife/mother/etc is to find the piece of shit and murder the bastard? Really? Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at June 06, 2018 03:45 PM (jjaLl) ***That's not murder - that is justifiable homicide. Or, at worst, a heat of passion killing for which you cannot be held legally responsible and, thus, not murder. Posted by: Publius Redux at June 06, 2018 03:51 PM (Fb9aZ) 147
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Agreed. You may be a square peg. I'm pretty sure the AoSHQ Style Guide requires that all who hang out here be square pegs. ****************** Lol, fair point, I think in certain cases suicide is a viable option as long as you don't have any family that can be hurt from it. I have one mostly online friend who I plan to leave my belongings, and that's pretty much it. Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at June 06, 2018 03:47 PM (+dsLj) F those round holers!!!! Come on square peggers lets get peggy with it. (I'm still working on the phrasing) (Editor's note. I am square peg too. Once I accepted that it was OK, I got better. It's like 99% of the world is messed up and I am the only one who gets it. LOL) Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at June 06, 2018 03:51 PM (ymnmz) 148
100% of suiciders liked the idea of suicide more than they liked actual suicide.
Posted by: Roland THTG at June 06, 2018 03:51 PM (xBSm0) 149
Most people need a reason to get up each day. A couple Morons here say as much. They're honest. I like 'em both.
Its a rare cat thats just willing to push the Pleasure Button and enjoy it ... and we all have more access to that button than ever. I've long thought - Hell is just what you'll make it. Posted by: ScoggDog at June 06, 2018 03:52 PM (Gzt/W) 150
114 Suicide has always been a touchy subject for me. A friend of mine in 9th grade (early 80s) shot himself with a 12-guage. Happened on a school night. We didn't have grief counselors or cancel school back then. Remember sitting in homeroom with this kid's best friend totally destroyed that he committed suicide. Only thing I ever heard as to why was he got into an argument with his mom.Went to the wake. Got there at the beginning of visitation hours. Nobody was there except for the mom dad. No one. What is a 14yr old kid supposed to say to that? That still haunts me to this day.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 06, 2018 03:46 PM (jxbfJ) The Nine year old boy that hung himself after getting knocked out at school and the other kids stepping over him I can't get over that. Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at June 06, 2018 03:52 PM (dKiJG) 151
Very anecdotal, but my mom just got a job at a day care center for very young kids, newborn to six years old.
The list of rules and regulations is insane. The first one: You can NEVER tell a kid 'no.' If that's standard op for day cares across the country, it's only going to get worse. Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at June 06, 2018 03:52 PM (72PAC) 152
Lol, fair point, I think in certain cases suicide is a viable option as long as you don't have any family that can be hurt from it. I have one mostly online friend who I plan to leave my belongings, and that's pretty much it.
Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at June 06, 2018 03:47 PM (+dsLj) We need you to keep fighting the Commiecrats. Desertion is not an option. :-) Call me if you really feel that way. Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 06, 2018 03:52 PM (ujg0T) 153
I think that women taking that final act is the direct result of women being sold the bill of goods by feminists. Women who work (and we are legion) are not, be definition, liable to kill themselves, but there is a segment of the population, primarily women, who feel that careers are not their true calling, but have little choice in the matter. Given the freedom to choose, I suspect many women would prefer to stay home, make home, and raise babies. No matter how many shrieking harpies tell us that we aren't real women unless we prove ourselves in the "man's world," it simply isn't true.
Yes, I know, there are many women who do both, but what sort of hectic life does that lead to? I do both, but I'm also in mommy-track jobs that don't require much mental gymnastics and, frankly, don't accomplish much of which to be proud and don't exactly feed the bulldog. As one who has dealt with depression pretty much all of my life, I can say positively that there is also a chemical thing going on. If I am medicated, I do just fine. No amount of "talking it out" or "working it out" makes the slightest bit of difference, but the drugs do work. So, maybe genetics, maybe environmental factors, who the hell knows? The good news is that, should the burning times be upon us, I will not survive to have to deal with it, because I won't have my meds. /s Posted by: tcn in AK at June 06, 2018 03:52 PM (7UW64) 154
Spade was found hanged by a scarf she allegedly tied to a doorknob, an MYPD source said.
What, was she two feet tall? Posted by: wth at June 06, 2018 03:52 PM (HgMAr) 155
I'm pretty sure the AoSHQ Style Guide requires that all who hang out here be square pegs.
--- Then why do so many act like roundholes? Posted by: Axeman at June 06, 2018 03:52 PM (vDqXW) 156
Problem with being crazy is that they make crazy decisions, like not taking their medication or not seeking treatment.
Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at June 06, 2018 03:47 PM (beZXb) Mrs. DIG says folks who resist taking their meds basically don't like the feelings they have when they are on the meds. It doesn't feel 'normal' to them, so they resist. I don't know if that's true, but that theory makes sense. Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 06, 2018 03:52 PM (8iiMU) 157
I see two reasons for an increase in suicide among women when I look at how behaviors and attitudes have changed from my mother's generation and the present. My mother was raised during the Depression and was a mother in the fifties and sixties.
1. People in the past expected less out of life. They knew that there would be problems that they would have to deal with, that they would not be happy all the time, and that they often would not get what they wanted. They knew that life wasn't fair. They accepted this as normal. 2. Women like my mother didn't work outside the home. None of my friends' mothers worked. They took care of the house, the cooking, and the kids, while dad worked. My mom took naps, watched "her stories", and spent time shopping. Her life wasn't a manic, stressful rush. She didn't have the pressure of a competitive job, where you were highly admired, highly paid, but knew that failure was right around the corner. Some careers that have the potential for enormous success and pay, also have the potential for enormous failure. Posted by: nerdygirl at June 06, 2018 03:52 PM (+lVUW) Posted by: Agent Cooper at June 06, 2018 03:53 PM (oyCqX) 159
145 When you're told from first days your worth is measured in the eyes of the collective, well, sad consequences ensue. I don't have to run down the full list. Y'all know the roll call.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at June 06, 2018 03:51 PM (AM1GF) This. Posted by: Hikaru at June 06, 2018 03:53 PM (WDCYi) 160
I'm glad we're talking about this. I think that helps.
Posted by: m at June 06, 2018 03:53 PM (0bRDi) 161
At best, her suicide note is ambivalent and impossible to conclusively interpret clearl
They knew what it meant. We don't because we aren't part of the family. They do. Read her sister's interview. I had a lot of compassion for Kate initially. I thought she had gone through all the treatments and it had gotten so painful she saw it as the last & only way out. Then I found out she has refused treatment for years. Decades. My compassion took a nose dive. Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June 06, 2018 03:53 PM (8sZIF) 162
After taxes $100mm comes down to $60mm. You buy a Park Ave co-op and a summer home and you're under $40mm
Now you'd say what's the problem It's that you used to be a creative playa -- a star -- and now you're not And if you had held out you'd be worth a billion Posted by: Ignoramus at June 06, 2018 03:53 PM (n+6mJ) 163
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2018 03:40 PM (vw6r3)
I'm not going to fuss at you for contradicting me cuz I don't want the death typo. Posted by: Laughing in Texas at June 06, 2018 03:53 PM (xQfPr) 164
I was surprised to read that hanging is a common method of suicide among women.
It's the method our daughter used last year. My thought at the time was that hanging isn't something that women would do. Wow. Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at June 06, 2018 03:53 PM (uDcBt) 165
BIPOLAR....The only reason that is in the news is because her sister said that she was. No one knows what happened, or why at this point. May not know at all.
Posted by: runner at June 06, 2018 03:53 PM (bUjCl) 166
>>> Bipolar people often tend-I thin-k to go off their medications more regularly that people who "just" have clinical depression, because they start feeling better and then think they don't need it.
is that because the manic phase of it is enjoyable? Posted by: ace at June 06, 2018 03:54 PM (8rNrN) 167
146. Correct. And - speaking more broadly - the NAP does not apply to commies.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Ask Me About SMR & Ancient Slavonaut Theory at June 06, 2018 03:54 PM (fA1SL) 168
Putting the daughter in the note to ask dad is just wrong. She was a freaking billionare and could afford the expensive retreats to go on for those who are suicidal. She could have taken one 4 times a year for crying out loud.
Now the daughter will never trust her dad and always suspect that he made her do it or was his fault and blame him. Good Lord. Posted by: Pickles at June 06, 2018 03:54 PM (72spU) 169
Posted by: Axeman at June 06, 2018 03:50 PM (vDqXW)
Thoughtful post In my opinion, you're correct-Satan hates humanity because God created us and delights in us and Jesus is quite clear "The evil one comes to kill, steal and destroy." Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2018 03:54 PM (vw6r3) 170
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Very anecdotal, but my mom just got a job at a day care center for very young kids, newborn to six years old. The list of rules and regulations is insane. The first one: You can NEVER tell a kid 'no.' If that's standard op for day cares across the country, it's only going to get worse. Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at June 06, 2018 03:52 PM (72PAC) So little miss Sarah has to say "Yes Johnny, you can touch me there??" Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 06, 2018 03:54 PM (jxbfJ) 171
Brit Hume's tweet, words to live by.
https://twitter.com/brithume/status/1004133848614088704 Everyone you meet is fighting a battle you know nothing about. Be kind. Always (be kind). Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 06, 2018 03:55 PM (fceHP) 172
(Editor's note. I am square peg too. Once I accepted that it was OK, I got better. It's like 99% of the world is messed up and I am the only one who gets it. LOL)
******************************* Normal is the new abnormal. Just as an example i've been looking for a dog, and emailed a breeder recently asking about her huskies. She wrote back saying she was very leery of offering me a dog because reasons and things and then started talking about her uterus and how it's made her sick and has been smelling bad lately. Me: .......................... Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at June 06, 2018 03:55 PM (+dsLj) 173
156 Mrs. DIG says folks who resist taking their meds basically don't like the feelings they have when they are on the meds. It doesn't feel 'normal' to them, so they resist.
I don't know if that's true, but that theory makes sense. Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 06, 2018 03:52 PM (8iiMU) A Doctor had me on Prozac when I was younger, and it pretty much just made me not feel, at all. Posted by: Hikaru at June 06, 2018 03:55 PM (WDCYi) Posted by: MS-13 at June 06, 2018 03:55 PM (vg8iE) 175
is that because the manic phase of it is enjoyable?
Posted by: ace at June 06, 2018 03:54 PM (8rNrN) Read my comments above. A severe case is not enjoyable for anyone. Posted by: Off the reservation at June 06, 2018 03:55 PM (vWMNq) 176
Posted by: ace at June 06, 2018 03:54 PM (8rNrN)
That too. I'm not an expert but a number of bi-polar people I know-in the arts at least- tend to feel more creative and more energetic and more productive in the manic states Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2018 03:55 PM (vw6r3) Posted by: blaster at June 06, 2018 03:56 PM (Z5y53) 178
Mrs. DIG says folks who resist taking their meds basically don't like the feelings they have when they are on the meds. It doesn't feel 'normal' to them, so they resist.
I don't know if that's true, but that theory makes sense. Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 06, 2018 03:52 PM (8iiMU) I hear this is true about bipolars. They miss their manic highs. So they'll skip doeses. Depressives don't skip doses bcz it's the one thing keeping them alive, and they don't miss the abyss of terror and worthlessness. Anyway, that's what I've been told. Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June 06, 2018 03:56 PM (8sZIF) 179
All moron suicide attempts should follow this guy's example:
Guy Goes To Mexico To Kill Himself, Spends Week Doing Coke And Banging Hookers, Decides To Keep Living Posted by: Not clever enough for a good nic at June 06, 2018 03:56 PM (bVc72) Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 06, 2018 03:56 PM (7LY+6) 181
OT, but dropping by to link Byron York's series of tweets explaining the current state of play on Horowitz' report and why it is again likely to be delayed.
https://tinyurl.com/y6uubzf5 Posted by: Huck Follywood, Vigilance Committee supporter at June 06, 2018 03:56 PM (LISuA) 182
She went from obscurity to sudden global fame and billionaire-status in the '90s when here purse designs overnight became the trendiest thing on the planet and de rigueur fashion accessories for every woman.
And then she sold her company to a big corporation and "retired". In her 30s. She got so bored ---- Never understood that. Give me a billion dollars, hell, give me $100 million and you'll never hear from me again. And I won't be bored for one second of my life. Posted by: rickb223 at June 06, 2018 03:56 PM (bKPAB) 183
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(Editor's note. I am square peg too. Once I accepted that it was OK, I got better. It's like 99% of the world is messed up and I am the only one who gets it. LOL) ******************************* Normal is the new abnormal. Just as an example i've been looking for a dog, and emailed a breeder recently asking about her huskies. She wrote back saying she was very leery of offering me a dog because reasons and things and then started talking about her uterus and how it's made her sick and has been smelling bad lately. Me: .......................... Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at June 06, 2018 03:55 PM (+dsLj) Are you sure she knew you were there for a dog? Hang the phone up ever so quietly. Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at June 06, 2018 03:56 PM (ymnmz) Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at June 06, 2018 03:56 PM (jjaLl) 185
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2018 03:55 PM (vw6r3)
That would of course be in the stages before it really gets bad-kind of like you're on speed-is the way it''s been described to me. Don't know because I haven't been on speed. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2018 03:57 PM (vw6r3) 186
So little miss Sarah has to say "Yes Johnny, you can touch me there??"
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 06, 2018 03:54 PM (jxbfJ) *shurg* There are a thousand scenarios that show why that policy is insane. But it's the policy. Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at June 06, 2018 03:57 PM (72PAC) 187
Loser men have always killed themselves, it's instinctive; takes a burden off their group.
Women didn't as often have this problem, as pretty much any normal lass would find a man and start a family and have plenty to live for. That's what's changed. Posted by: Hippity Hooper Clone at June 06, 2018 03:57 PM (fE8fe) 188
I've long thought - Hell is just what you'll make it.
Posted by: ScoggDog “A mind not to be changed by place or time. The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a heav'n of hell, a hell of heav'n.” ― John Milton, Paradise Lost Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at June 06, 2018 03:57 PM (AM1GF) 189
One of the problems is that social media is an accelerant for volatile personalities.
Well grounded people do not obsess over how many likes they have, and the people that need that type of feedback are the very ones who get trapped. In that way, it is a lot like drugs or alcohol. For those people, the would would be much better if the substance just did not exist. For most people, it is no big deal either way. I am always amazed at people doing stupid things for fake internet attention, but I am also amazed at people abusing drugs, alcohol, or sex for attention. I don't really blame them, or society for creating these substances, but I think we need to learn how to manage and control them. Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at June 06, 2018 03:57 PM (LWu6U) Posted by: Off the reservation at June 06, 2018 03:57 PM (vWMNq) 191
Everyone you meet is fighting a battle you know nothing about. Be kind. Always (be kind).
= especially this day and age.... except to millennials - they suck ! Posted by: runner at June 06, 2018 03:57 PM (bUjCl) 192
172 Normal is the new abnormal. Just as an example i've been looking for a dog, and emailed a breeder recently asking about her huskies. She wrote back saying she was very leery of offering me a dog because reasons and things and then started talking about her uterus and how it's made her sick and has been smelling bad lately.
Me: .......................... Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at June 06, 2018 03:55 PM (+dsLj) If watching dog videos on YouTube has shown me anything, it's that people who spend their life with huskies (or malamutes) usually have a few screws loose. Posted by: Hikaru at June 06, 2018 03:57 PM (WDCYi) Posted by: DaveA at June 06, 2018 03:58 PM (FhXTo) 194
Normal is the new abnormal. Just as an example i've been looking for
a dog, and emailed a breeder recently asking about her huskies. She wrote back saying she was very leery of offering me a dog because reasons and things and then started talking about her uterus and how it's made her sick and has been smelling bad lately. ======== Must have been a very pungent uterus if she could smell it. Posted by: bicentennialguy at June 06, 2018 03:58 PM (vg8iE) 195
Men on the other hand tend to go all in. Tough to come back after a shotgun blast to the cranium.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 06, 2018 03:35 PM (jxbfJ) And yet I know a guy who did. His face is really fucked up though. Posted by: Soona at June 06, 2018 03:58 PM (Fs5vw) 196
Imagine a whole society who thinks man can perfect man's imperfections. You can never find contentment there.
Posted by: SH at June 06, 2018 03:58 PM (sX1BW) 197
191. * fistbump *
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Ask Me About SMR & Ancient Slavonaut Theory at June 06, 2018 03:58 PM (fA1SL) 198
166 >>> Bipolar people often tend-I thin-k to go off their medications more regularly that people who "just" have clinical depression, because they start feeling better and then think they don't need it.
is that because the manic phase of it is enjoyable? Posted by: ace at June 06, 2018 03:54 PM (8rNrN) Sex, work, and stopping terrorists. Posted by: Carrie Mathison at June 06, 2018 03:58 PM (72spU) 199
It is amazing to me how surprised people who work for me (millennials) come to appreciate boundaries and accountability once they understand it's fair. Good fences, etc.
Posted by: rammajamma at June 06, 2018 03:58 PM (xceTB) 200
give me $100 million and you'll never hear from me again. And I won't be bored for one second of my life."
Heck, I'll do that for a measly 10 mil. Anyone? Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 06, 2018 03:59 PM (7LY+6) 201
I wonder--if you consider war as "the part where folks start getting
killed en masse", is it possible it's already started? I speculated earlier about the weaponization of depression--a sort of psychological warfare horrifying in its implementation and implications--and wonder if the Internet troll is the sniper, and the Internet mob the armed militia, of this stage of an undeclared all-out war... As a minimum this is a cold civil war. The only questions are: Does it turn hot? If so, when? After the left gets spanked in the midterms, does their 'resistance' become generally armed? When it becomes obvious to everyone that the fix is in, and nobody has to obey the law any longer? Do we get Vigilantes to fill the justice vacuum first? Posted by: An Observation at June 06, 2018 03:59 PM (e0qb0) 202
I'm not going to lie to you, I didn't even know David Spade had a brother.
Posted by: Dr Spank at June 06, 2018 03:59 PM (4e+hS) 203
Spade was found hanged by a scarf she allegedly tied to a doorknob, an MYPD source said.
What, was she two feet tall? ======= Imagine Long scarf, tied to doorknob on the opposite side of the door. Scarf runs over top of the door to the side she is on . . . Posted by: simplemind at June 06, 2018 03:59 PM (lApV/) 204
is that because the manic phase of it is enjoyable?
Posted by: ace at June 06, 2018 03:54 PM (8rNrN) Read my comments above. A severe case is not enjoyable for anyone. Posted by: Off the reservation at June 06, 2018 03:55 PM (vWMNq) For them, yes...initially. You feel like superman, you have insane energy...but then there is the destructive side to it. It especially is problematic for all those around them. Then they crash hard into depression. I have heard horror stories from people who have family members with it. It is sad too, bcz my understanding is that if they stay on their meds they are fine. Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June 06, 2018 03:59 PM (8sZIF) Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 06, 2018 03:59 PM (fceHP) 206
There's a lot of "said" and "interpretation" going round...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 06, 2018 03:56 PM (7LY+6) true Posted by: runner at June 06, 2018 03:59 PM (bUjCl) 207
I'm not going to lie to you, I didn't even know David Spade had a brother.
Posted by: Dr Spank at June 06, 2018 03:59 PM (4e+hS) Who did?? Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at June 06, 2018 04:00 PM (jjaLl) 208
is that because the manic phase of it is enjoyable?
Posted by: ace The real problem is that most manic-depressives don't realize, in the moment, that their feelings (good or bad) are the result of a mental/psychological condition. They think their feelings are valid and based on real-world facts. Thus, when they're "Up," they think they really ARE superhuman and on top of the world, and when they're "Down" they think life really IS pointless and everyone deservedly hates them. Trying to explain to a manic depressive in the grips of either extreme that these feelings are valid, is a fruitless exercise. It's only in rare moments of clarity -- between the extreme mood swings - -that you can explain tp them what';s going only and have them understand and accept the explanation. Posted by: zombie at June 06, 2018 04:00 PM (c+2jX) 209
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OT, but dropping by to link Byron York's series of tweets Thanks for that. He's almost caught up to Sundance over at CTH. Posted by: Off the reservation at June 06, 2018 04:00 PM (vWMNq) 210
A Doctor had me on Prozac when I was younger, and it pretty much just made me not feel, at all.
Posted by: Hikaru at June 06, 2018 03:55 PM (WDCYi) I have heard that. I was specifically talking about bi-polar. We have a friend who is on lithium, and he occasionally goes off the meds. I knew someone (more than one, actually) who was on antidepressants also, and they sad the same thing, they just didn't feel anything. Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 06, 2018 04:00 PM (8iiMU) 211
Never understood that. Give me a billion dollars, hell, give me $100 million and you'll never hear from me again. And I won't be bored for one second of my life.
Posted by: rickb223 Give a depressive that kind of money and they'll be dead inside a year. Anything that encourages isolation is unspeakably bad. Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at June 06, 2018 04:00 PM (AM1GF) 212
Nobody was there except for the mom dad. No one. What is a 14yr old kid supposed to say to that? That still haunts me to this day.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 06, 2018 03:46 PM (jxbfJ) ------------- I don't know anything else in this story beyond what you shared, but I would bet my last dime that it meant the world to those parents you showed up. >_> Man, did it get hot in here all of a sudden? My eyes are sweaty. Posted by: reason at June 06, 2018 04:00 PM (l2max) 213
Guy Goes To Mexico To Kill Himself, Spends Week Doing Coke And Banging Hookers, Decides To Keep Living
Posted by: Not clever enough for a good nic at June 06, 2018 03:56 PM (bVc72) If I were depressed and suicidal, I'd 100% do that. Stupid family and responsibilities.... Posted by: Joe, living dangerously at June 06, 2018 04:00 PM (XNkEi) Posted by: zombie at June 06, 2018 04:00 PM (c+2jX) 215
Spade was found hanged by a scarf she allegedly tied to a doorknob, an MYPD source said.
========== Why do it that way? I'm sure there were adequate amounts of alcohol and prescription drugs available to her. Why the hell not just pass out? But, I'm not in an irrational, suicidal frame of mind, either. Posted by: bicentennialguy at June 06, 2018 04:00 PM (vg8iE) Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2018 04:01 PM (vw6r3) 217
, it's that people who spend their life with huskies (or malamutes) usually have a few screws loose"
Those of us with Shih Tzus, however, are screwed... Er, that didn't come out right... Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 06, 2018 04:01 PM (7LY+6) 218
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 06, 2018 03:55 PM (fceHP)
Uplifting truths. When life gets heavy, I try to remember number 40, https://goo.gl/962M4q Posted by: auscolpyr at June 06, 2018 04:01 PM (suO/a) 219
182 She went from obscurity to sudden global fame and billionaire-status in the '90s when here purse designs overnight became the trendiest thing on the planet and de rigueur fashion accessories for every woman.
And then she sold her company to a big corporation and "retired". In her 30s. She got so bored ---- Never understood that. Give me a billion dollars, hell, give me $100 million and you'll never hear from me again. And I won't be bored for one second of my life. Posted by: rickb223 at June 06, 2018 03:56 PM (bKPAB) I don't know. Yes, I think with enough money I could find things to do to keep me excited. But I'm not sure it works like that, people need a reason to get out of bed. I have done a lot since my wife died five months but now I'm starting to feel restless. I have to do something I find meaningful. (And no, I don't have enough to retire on.) Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at June 06, 2018 04:01 PM (nBr1j) 220
If watching dog videos on YouTube has shown me anything, it's that people who spend their life with huskies (or malamutes) usually have a few screws loose.
************************* I've seen it in the dog world overall, way too many breeders and trainers that were just a little off center to me. ************************ Hang the phone up ever so quietly. ***************** And pray she forgets the number too. O___O Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at June 06, 2018 04:01 PM (+dsLj) 221
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give me $100 million and you'll never hear from me again. And I won't be bored for one second of my life." Heck, I'll do that for a measly 10 mil. Anyone? Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 06, 2018 03:59 PM (7LY+6) $10 mill will do. Just enough to buy a large enough tract of land to never have to worry about neighbors. Decent home with a good view, 270 degree shooting range, fire pit, and enough beer and bourbon to last me my days. Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 06, 2018 04:01 PM (jxbfJ) 222
Yes. Modern feminism demands women to live full of bile and victimhood. It demands overachievement It is the major contributor to female suicide IMHO. Combine it with untreated hormone imbalances and you have a suicide incubator. But I aint a doctor.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 06, 2018 04:01 PM (TtorR) 223
I meant to say I've done a lot of nothing since my wife died.
Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at June 06, 2018 04:01 PM (nBr1j) 224
Never understood that. Give me a billion dollars, hell, give me $100 million and you'll never hear from me again. And I won't be bored for one second of my life.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 06, 2018 03:56 PM (bKPAB) --------------- If you don't mind splitting the billion with me, I too would like to participate in this study. Posted by: reason at June 06, 2018 04:02 PM (l2max) 225
166 >>> Bipolar people often tend-I thin-k to go off their medications more regularly that people who "just" have clinical depression, because they start feeling better and then think they don't need it.
is that because the manic phase of it is enjoyable? Posted by: ace at June 06, 2018 03:54 PM (8rNrN) I think, yes. Also, bipolar meds can have some very serious side effects that they'd rather not deal with. OR - they are really, really, pricy. OR - they have lost their effectiveness, and the doc is trying to dial a new one in. But I do know bi-polar people who seriously enjoyed the manic part. Especially when that manic phase manifested itself in buying lots and lots of neat stuff. And an entrepreneur in manic phase can get tons of shit done. Posted by: blaster at June 06, 2018 04:02 PM (Z5y53) 226
171 Brit Hume's tweet, words to live by.
https://twitter.com/brithume/status/1004133848614088704 Everyone you meet is fighting a battle you know nothing about. Be kind. Always (be kind). Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 06, 2018 03:55 PM (fceHP) Somebody needs to set up a severe behavior modification program with this as an end result for the NEA thugs so they will stop bullying and banging our children. Posted by: Pickles at June 06, 2018 04:02 PM (72spU) 227
210 A Doctor had me on Prozac when I was younger, and it pretty much just made me not feel, at all.
Posted by: Hikaru at June 06, 2018 03:55 PM (WDCYi) I have heard that. I was specifically talking about bi-polar. We have a friend who is on lithium, and he occasionally goes off the meds. I knew someone (more than one, actually) who was on antidepressants also, and they sad the same thing, they just didn't feel anything. Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 06, 2018 04:00 PM (8iiMU) This often IS true, at least in my experience. Antidepressants did not make me feel better, they made me feel less worse. Life still really sucked, but I got up and went to work and took care of the household chores and just went on with life.... After doing enough of that, well, now I get up and go to work and take care of the household chores and just go on with life. Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 06, 2018 04:02 PM (ujg0T) 228
the link from PJMEDIA's piece goes to the Guardian, of all places, but inside the article there:
Looking at the report, women are now the most at risk at the beginning and end of their biological cycle as women, namely just before puberty and during menopause. The opening onto sexuality, its spring awakening, and the fall of fertility are the transitional moments when women are increasingly taking their own lives. These are moments when the question of one's identity as a woman needs to be flexible, able to shift and mold itself with the changes that come with age. hormones evidently play a factor then Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 06, 2018 04:02 PM (fceHP) 229
if they stay on their meds they are fine.
Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June 06, 2018 03:59 PM (8sZIF) The meds ALL have side effects. My mother hated that. Also, my brother was on lithium and started having kidney problems so his GP took him off the lithium. It's taken more than 12 months in a psychiatric hospital to get him back to normal ... and they had to put him back on the lithium to do that. GP just over-reacted. Posted by: Off the reservation at June 06, 2018 04:02 PM (vWMNq) 230
As a minimum this is a cold civil war. The only questions are: Does it turn hot? If so, when? After the left gets spanked in the midterms, does their 'resistance' become generally armed? When it becomes obvious to everyone that the fix is in, and nobody has to obey the law any longer? Do we get Vigilantes to fill the justice vacuum first?
Posted by: An Observation I would say, it already IS hot--it's just not an obvious, traditional battlefield. It's one they've laid the groundwork for and developed superiority in. They chose the mind as their battlefield. Horrifyingly, they've been winning...though that may be changing. Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at June 06, 2018 04:02 PM (AM1GF) 231
I'm not going to lie to you, I didn't even know David Spade had a brother.
Posted by: Dr Spank at June 06, 2018 03:59 PM (4e+hS) If you had read David Spade's short autobiography you could have known. It's a quick funny read. It's titled: DAVID SPADE is almost interesting. Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at June 06, 2018 04:03 PM (y1gYQ) 232
theologist=theologian?
Posted by: dagny at June 06, 2018 04:03 PM (nRWPy) 233
Imagine Long scarf, tied to doorknob on the opposite side of the door.
Scarf runs over top of the door to the side she is on . . . Good God man! Nobody has a scarf that long. Have to be 96 inches. Rope, on the other hand, is conveniently sold by the foot. Posted by: ACME Rope Co. at June 06, 2018 04:03 PM (xBSm0) 234
But I'm not sure it works like that, people need a reason to get out of bed.
******************************* True, but money opens doors you wouldn't be able to open otherwise. I'd likely start a business or a charity with good seed money like that and travel a lot more, especially to places where people don't have the benefit of first world pleasures and amenities to help me gain perspective. Like say, London or Paris. Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at June 06, 2018 04:04 PM (+dsLj) 235
it seems that with drugs (those that are prescribed for insomnia, and ADHD - whatever that is, and anxiety, and what not...) - they fix one thing, and then damage two things. so 3 things are prescribed, and then the damage escalates and aggravates.
Posted by: runner at June 06, 2018 04:04 PM (bUjCl) 236
Uplifting truths. When life gets heavy, I try to remember number 40, https://goo.gl/962M4q
Posted by: auscolpyr at June 06, 2018 04:01 PM (suO/a) Thank you for that. Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at June 06, 2018 04:04 PM (72PAC) 237
Brit Hume's tweet, words to live by.
https://twitter.com/brithume/status/1004133848614088704 Everyone you meet is fighting a battle you know nothing about. Be kind. Always (be kind). Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 06, 2018 03:55 PM (fceHP) I saw Brit talking to Tucker about this tweet last night. Brit said he was getting angry leftists replying with nasty comments about Trump. They really have lost it. Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 06, 2018 04:05 PM (aVYsC) 238
Imagine Long scarf, tied to doorknob on the opposite side of the door. Scarf runs over top of the door to the side she is on . . .
Posted by: simplemind at June 06, 2018 03:59 PM (lApV/) Robin Williams did the same thing. For about a week when I was a teenager my friends and I found out about this retarded thing called the pass out game. Many here have probably heard about. If I remember correctly, one of us would kneel down and take deep breaths and then stand up quickly while another person would take their hands and just light press on the arteries in that person's neck. The result was passing out very, VERY quickly. You'd only be out for a second or two but you'd wake up thrashing because you had no idea what happened. I guess the point here, other than how retarded it was to do that, is that you can render yourself unconscious so quickly that you don't even realize it. I imagine this mode of suicide probably is quite painless. Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 06, 2018 04:05 PM (4ErVI) 239
If you had read David Spade's short autobiography you could have known. It's a quick funny read.
It's titled: DAVID SPADE is almost interesting. Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp I'm not even sure who David Spade is. Posted by: wrg500 now posting from his bunker at June 06, 2018 04:05 PM (Bdeb0) 240
This is a depressing thread.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 06, 2018 04:05 PM (y8Foj) 241
refused to get help
The "help" ain't all it's cracked up to be. Posted by: DaveA at June 06, 2018 03:58 PM (FhXTo) She had millions of dollars, access to the best docs and facilities. She didn't go. I usually have incredible compassion for those who commit suicide, I don't always see it as a selfish act. But for someone not to get help when her family begged her, and to do what she did...I find it hard. I've done a 180 from yesterday on this. Bipolar is one of the most treatable illnesses...easier than clinical depression. From her sister's interview, Kate seemed determined to go out this way. Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June 06, 2018 04:05 PM (8sZIF) 242
234 But I'm not sure it works like that, people need a reason to get out of bed.
******************************* True, but money opens doors you wouldn't be able to open otherwise. I'd likely start a business or a charity with good seed money like that and travel a lot more, especially to places where people don't have the benefit of first world pleasures and amenities to help me gain perspective. Like say, London or Paris. Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at June 06, 2018 04:04 PM (+dsLj) I'd like to think I'd keep working, but I wouldn't. I say that I'd finally go to college, but I'm not sure I have a strong enough knowledge base to counter the indoctrination/bullying. Posted by: Hikaru at June 06, 2018 04:05 PM (WDCYi) 243
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Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 06, 2018 03:55 PM (fceHP) Uplifting truths. When life gets heavy, I try to remember number 40, https://goo.gl/962M4q Posted by: auscolpyr at June 06, 2018 04:01 PM (suO/a) This one isn't shabby either.45. Life isn't tied with a bow, but it's still a gift. Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 06, 2018 04:05 PM (jxbfJ) 244
Never understood that. Give me a billion dollars, hell, give me $100 million and you'll never hear from me again. And I won't be bored for one second of my life.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 06, 2018 03:56 PM (bKPAB) Creative people need to create. It's a part of who they are. Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 06, 2018 04:06 PM (fceHP) 245
This is a depressing thread.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 06, 2018 04:05 PM (y8Foj) Wait a bit...it'll get crazy manic. Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June 06, 2018 04:06 PM (8sZIF) 246
don't know. Yes, I think with enough money I could find things to do to keep me excited. But I'm not sure it works like that, people need a reason to get out of bed.
I have done a lot since my wife died five months but now I'm starting to feel restless. I have to do something I find meaningful. (And no, I don't have enough to retire on.) Posted by: Northernlurker And that's the kicker. What could you do with enough money? Me? Sits at kitchen table with map. "I haven't fished this stream, or this stream, or this cool looking one in Montana. I have to get the garden in. Those damn wild hogs are tearing up the pasture and running calfs to death. Dove season is gearing up. Pear tree will be setting pears. Note to self, get canning supplies". And that's before the first cup of coffee. Posted by: rickb223 at June 06, 2018 04:06 PM (bKPAB) 247
Then I found out she has refused treatment for years. Decades. My compassion took a nose dive.
Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June 06, 2018 03:53 PM (8sZIF) Don't go there. I desperately miss my cousin, who was divorced, with two kids who are mentally challenged, who stayed with their mom. He got help, but in the end, he was alone. I have a sister who is certifiable. I will have nothing whatsoever to do with her; she is toxic in the extreme, manipulative, devious, miserable. She has had many, many chances to get help but will not. However, it isn't as if she is EVER thinking straight. Her problem is that she is correct and the rest of the world has it wrong--about everything. Neither of the two can be held to account for not getting help. Neither of the two will ever be "right." Blaming them does exactly nothing. Posted by: tcn in AK at June 06, 2018 04:06 PM (7UW64) 248
very sad indeed
Posted by: runner at June 06, 2018 04:06 PM (bUjCl) 249
I guess the point here, other than how retarded it was to do that, is that you can render yourself unconscious so quickly that you don't even realize it. I imagine this mode of suicide probably is quite painless.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 06, 2018 04:05 PM (4ErVI) Cue M*A*S*H theme..... Posted by: JoeF. at June 06, 2018 04:06 PM (y8Foj) 250
Loser men have always killed themselves, it's instinctive; takes a burden off their group.
Posted by: Hippity Hooper Clone at June 06, 2018 03:57 PM (fE8fe) I've tried three times since I was 15. Guess I'm a loser. Thanks for the confirmation. Posted by: Captain Whitebread, World's Worst Superhero at June 06, 2018 04:06 PM (rJUlF) Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 06, 2018 04:06 PM (EyPfd) 252
Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 06, 2018 04:05 PM (aVYsC)
Didn't read the twitter feed yet, but didn't Brit Hume's son take his life and the left is probably saying vile stuff because Hume the dad might have once said something positive about Trump?! Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2018 04:07 PM (vw6r3) 253
Can we find a way to blame the mainstreaming or 50 Shades of Rape and the BDSM culture. I've always suspected that a rise in women committing suicide would occur in the future about 6 years ago and looks like it has.
There has to be some sort of causation here. Posted by: Pickles at June 06, 2018 04:07 PM (72spU) 254
Everyone deals with depression at some point. Some can't get out of the abyss. I can't imagine ever doing something like that. Especially having children. That poor girl. I feel for the husband too. It must be the shittiest feeling in the world and the guilt that must comes with it is horrid. I had a cousin I was very close with. We had a bit of a fight and hadn't talked for a few days. Then I got the call that he had killed himself. I still have guilt about it, I probably always will.
Posted by: Minnfidel at June 06, 2018 04:07 PM (lFBwl) 255
I just saw a scarf online going for $990, at Nordstrom's.
Posted by: Dr Spank at June 06, 2018 04:07 PM (4e+hS) 256
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This is a depressing thread. Posted by: JoeF. at June 06, 2018 04:05 PM (y8Foj) Time for some boobehs. Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at June 06, 2018 04:07 PM (8iiMU) 257
And that's before the first cup of coffee.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 06, 2018 04:06 PM (bKPAB) Unpossible. There is NOTHING before the first cup of coffee. Ever. Posted by: tcn in AK at June 06, 2018 04:07 PM (7UW64) 258
My sister-in-law hanged herself in February, so I guess she's part of the trend. We're not really sure why. I think she left a note, but I haven't been privy to the contents. She recently had surgery and the prognosis was good, so it's surprising that she took her life. My theory is that she had been in pain for a long time and was expecting the pain to go away after the surgery. When it didn't, she just didn't want to suffer through the recovery period.
What's sad is that she had a lot to look forward to - retirement, grandchildren, travel, etc. My brother has adjusted fairly well, but he's kind of checked out of his kids' lives, so they're essentially orphans now. Very sad. Posted by: biancaneve at June 06, 2018 04:07 PM (A/iod) 259
People in the past expected less out of life. They knew that there would be problems that they would have to deal with, that they would not be happy all the time, and that they often would not get what they wanted. They knew that life wasn't fair. They accepted this as normal. Ayup. Finally, after all these years, learned that lesson myself. Pick yourself up every day and stagger on. You'll make it to the end of it. Set standards for yourself, try to live up to them, don't expect others to make you happy. Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 06, 2018 04:08 PM (BWL+E) 260
I say that I'd finally go to college, but I'm not sure I have a strong enough knowledge base to counter the indoctrination/bullying.
************************** Fuck no, unless you plan to join a sorority, or volunteer as a resident "counselor" for an all female dorm, then, yes. I actually like to work, but I see so much bullshit and political SJW with my company and the industry today that I see the value of being financially independent, and being able to dictate work for yourself instead. Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at June 06, 2018 04:08 PM (+dsLj) 261
In case anyone is unaware, Brit Hume's son committed suicide.
Posted by: blaster at June 06, 2018 04:08 PM (Z5y53) 262
Posted by: Captain Whitebread, World's Worst Superhero at June 06, 2018 04:06 PM (rJUlF)
No; You are not a loser. The people who say that often haven't experienced clinical depression themselves although they may know people who have. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2018 04:08 PM (vw6r3) 263
I read she was bi-polar. My late wife was also bi-polar. Her life was a living hell even though we had no real problems - financial, relationship, good kids, good families, etc.
Upon reflection, she was ill the entire time I knew her. We tried everything: medication, therapy, institutionalization, electric shock, acupuncture, prayer, yelling and begging. All to no avail. All the kings horses and all the kings men as it were. One thing stood out though - long before we met, she had an abortion. It hung around her neck for the rest of her life. She never forgave herself. Posted by: Tonypete at June 06, 2018 04:08 PM (9rIkM) 264
Any articles on poor women committing suicide recently?
Posted by: Damnedyankee at June 06, 2018 04:08 PM (37IEG) 265
These are moments when the question of one's identity as a woman
needs to be flexible, able to shift and mold itself with the changes that come with age. hormones evidently play a factor then Makes sense to me. I was horrified by the onset of menopause. It made me feel 'lesser.' Add some wrinkles, crepy neck (which no one else sees), hair that suddenly needs coloring and it's depressing. So I lost 65 lbs right away and became literally 'lesser.' That's given me a lot of confidence re my femininity back. Posted by: dagny at June 06, 2018 04:08 PM (nRWPy) 266
246 don't know. Yes, I think with enough money I could find things to do to keep me excited. But I'm not sure it works like that, people need a reason to get out of bed.
I have done a lot since my wife died five months but now I'm starting to feel restless. I have to do something I find meaningful. (And no, I don't have enough to retire on.) Posted by: Northernlurker And that's the kicker. What could you do with enough money? Me? Sits at kitchen table with map. "I haven't fished this stream, or this stream, or this cool looking one in Montana. I have to get the garden in. Those damn wild hogs are tearing up the pasture and running calfs to death. Dove season is gearing up. Pear tree will be setting pears. Note to self, get canning supplies". And that's before the first cup of coffee. Posted by: rickb223 at June 06, 2018 04:06 PM (bKPAB) Of course, with enough money I'd rarely be sitting at home. And with enough money I'd become really good looking to women. Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at June 06, 2018 04:08 PM (nBr1j) 267
@200
This is not about having material wealth and possessions. It's not even about having a good family life. It's about mental illness and ancillary to this, anti-depressant drugs. Chris Cornell who by all accounts was a loving father and had a perfect wife and home life, walked off the stage where he had just performed for adoring fans who cheered for him as one would cheer a rock god, went back to his hotel room, swallowed a bunch of pills, drank alcohol and proceeded to hang himself. The pain is coming from inside the house. Posted by: Kreplach at June 06, 2018 04:08 PM (UfMVm) 268
251 "I'm not even sure who David Spade is."
Joe Dirt? Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 06, 2018 04:06 PM (EyPfd) That mini manlet always had a solid 10 by his side. Say what you will about David Spade, but the man has some serious game. Posted by: Pickles at June 06, 2018 04:08 PM (72spU) 269
Imagine Long scarf, tied to doorknob on the opposite side of the door. Scarf runs over top of the door to the side she is on . . .
Posted by: simplemind at June 06, 2018 03:59 PM (lApV/) Robin Williams did the same thing. Kate's sister said she became semi-obssessed with Robin's death. She thinks she may have begun kinda planning it way back then. Her sister's interview is very revealing. Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June 06, 2018 04:08 PM (8sZIF) 270
I've tried three times since I was 15. Guess I'm a loser. Thanks for the confirmation. Posted by: Captain Whitebread, World's Worst Superhero No, you're not. Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 06, 2018 04:09 PM (BWL+E) 271
I've tried three times since I was 15.
Guess I'm a loser. Thanks for the confirmation. Posted by: Captain Whitebread, World's Worst Superhero at June 06, 2018 04:06 PM (rJUlF) Oh, sweetie, we are all losers, or else we wouldn't be here! **pats Cappy's shoulder, knowingly** Posted by: tcn in AK at June 06, 2018 04:09 PM (7UW64) Posted by: wrg500 now posting from his bunker at June 06, 2018 04:09 PM (Bdeb0) 273
Long scarf, tied to doorknob on the opposite side of the door.
Scarf runs over top of the door nope. scarf goes around knob, scarf goes around neck, sit down, done. Posted by: yankeefifth at June 06, 2018 04:09 PM (MTjB1) 274
Brit Hume's son, Sandy Hume, also committed suicide, back in '98. He was an alcoholic, got arrested for drunk driving and tried to hang himself. They sent him to a psych hospital, which released him. He went home and shot himself. So Brit knows about this very personally. Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at June 06, 2018 04:09 PM (8O3HH) 275
Bipolar is one of the most treatable
illnesses Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June 06, 2018 04:05 PM (8sZIF) Horse shit. I also worked for a small research pharma company for a while looking at genetic diagnoses of diseases. One of them was schizophrenia. Bipolar *might* be one of the "most treatable" forms of schizophrenia but the diagnosis is a bitch and schizophrenia is extremely complex genetically, involving genes on at least 8 chromosomes. So the phenotypes vary wildly. Stephen Fry seems to have had a *much* milder case than the ones in my family. Posted by: Off the reservation at June 06, 2018 04:09 PM (vWMNq) 276
Well, I'm off to pursue some GAINZZZZ
Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at June 06, 2018 04:10 PM (nBr1j) 277
I've tried three times since I was 15.
Guess I'm a loser. Thanks for the confirmation. Posted by: Captain Whitebread, World's Worst Superhero No you're not. You're human! Please ignore what some anonymous person on the internet says. Posted by: Minnfidel at June 06, 2018 04:10 PM (lFBwl) 278
"I'm not even sure who David Spade is."
Joe Dirt? Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 06, 2018 04:06 PM (EyPfd) Chris Farley's straight man, "Tommy Boy" Posted by: auscolpyr at June 06, 2018 04:10 PM (suO/a) 279
Why do it that way?
I'm sure there were adequate amounts of alcohol and prescription drugs available to her. Why the hell not just pass out? But, I'm not in an irrational, suicidal frame of mind, either. Posted by: bicentennialguy at June 06, 2018 04:00 PM (vg8iE) --------------- Not a mind reader, but I know a little in general. This was meant to be successful. Pills and booze are generally the "cry for help" attempts that aren't meant to be successful, but are meant to scare the shit out of someone else. Mrs. Reason's first husband did this to her. He kept her around for years by the threat of him killing himself. Posted by: reason at June 06, 2018 04:10 PM (l2max) 280
That mini manlet always had a solid 10 by his side. Say what you will about David Spade, but the man has some serious game.
Posted by: Pickles at June 06, 2018 04:08 PM (72spU) I dated a very short fellow in college. He had a theory that all men had exactly the same amount of skin. Ergo....well.....it had to be SOMEWHERE..... Posted by: tcn in AK at June 06, 2018 04:10 PM (7UW64) 281
I say that I'd finally go to college, but I'm not sure I have a strong enough knowledge base to counter the indoctrination/bullying. Sure you do, it's not advanced indoctrination and bullying, it's transparent idiocy indoctrination and bullying. Anyone, anyone at all who is aware of the Left as indoctrinators and bullies can easily see right through it. Posted by: dagny at June 06, 2018 04:10 PM (nRWPy) 282
Living in spite of those who wish to see you dead or destroyed is a great motivator.
Posted by: Pickles at June 06, 2018 04:10 PM (72spU) 283
The people who say that often haven't experienced clinical depression themselves although they may know people who have.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2018 04:08 PM (vw6r3) I've described it like this to a few close friends: Imagine you've fallen off of a boat. You're drowning. You're screaming for help. All you get is more buckets of water thrown at you. Posted by: Captain Whitebread, World's Worst Superhero at June 06, 2018 04:11 PM (rJUlF) Posted by: wrg500 now posting from his bunker at June 06, 2018 04:11 PM (Bdeb0) 285
*looks in and walks away*
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 06, 2018 04:11 PM (gCAC6) Posted by: yankeefifth at June 06, 2018 04:11 PM (MTjB1) 287
Bipolar people often tend-I thin-k to go off their medications more regularly that people who "just" have clinical depression, because they start feeling better and then think they don't need it.
is that because the manic phase of it is enjoyable? Posted by: ace at June 06, 2018 03:54 PM (8rNrN) The only bipolar I know who has to be on regular meds, has gone off them once since I knew her (at least when I was around) and man oh man, it's scary. She just dropped to the the ground, and my husband and I had to drag her and carry her, literally, to the hospital (mental clinic) where she had spent time before to get her stabilized again. She hates the meds because they make her lifeless, numb and she has to sleep so much every day. It's bad. Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 06, 2018 04:11 PM (fceHP) 288
281 Sure you do, it's not advanced indoctrination and bullying, it's transparent idiocy indoctrination and bullying. Anyone, anyone at all who is aware of the Left as indoctrinators and bullies can easily see right through it.
Posted by: dagny at June 06, 2018 04:10 PM (nRWPy) Being able to see through it, and being forced to repeat it at the threat of failure and expulsion, are two different things. Posted by: Hikaru at June 06, 2018 04:12 PM (WDCYi) 289
Mrs. Reason's first husband did this to her. He kept her around for years by the threat of him killing himself.
Posted by: reason at June 06, 2018 04:10 PM (l2max) In those situations, it becomes very difficult to avoid wanting to complete the task for the jackass. Posted by: tcn in AK at June 06, 2018 04:12 PM (7UW64) 290
I know people don't "get" depression. I know unless you have had it or seen someone with it is impossible to understand.
Count yourself blessed. Ace linked the article, but there is an excerpt I'm gonna paste into a post. Because we have depressives on this board, and maybe it'll help us all understand them a bit better. Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June 06, 2018 04:12 PM (8sZIF) 291
I've tried three times since I was 15.
Guess I'm a loser. Thanks for the confirmation. Posted by: Captain Whitebread, World's Worst Superhero No you're not. You're human! Please ignore what some anonymous person on the internet says. Posted by: Minnfidel We're all losers here. Or as someone called us, "deplorables". I once was lost / but now I'm found... Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at June 06, 2018 04:12 PM (AM1GF) 292
I dated a very short fellow in college. He had a
theory that all men had exactly the same amount of skin. Ergo....well.....it had to be SOMEWHERE..... Posted by: tcn in AK at June 06, 2018 04:10 PM (7UW64) For purposes of that theory, you may consider me short. Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at June 06, 2018 04:12 PM (8iiMU) 293
288. True. But fuck 'em - you got money.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Ask Me About SMR & Ancient Slavonaut Theory at June 06, 2018 04:12 PM (fA1SL) 294
I say that I'd finally go to college, but I'm not sure I have a strong enough knowledge base to counter the indoctrination/bullying.
Posted by: Hikaru at June ? what the hell do you think goes on at college? Posted by: yankeefifth at June 06, 2018 04:12 PM (MTjB1) 295
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 06, 2018 04:11 PM (fceHP)
Yes. I have heard the complaint of lifeliness before. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2018 04:13 PM (vw6r3) 296
267 @200
This is not about having material wealth and possessions. It's not even about having a good family life. It's about mental illness and ancillary to this, anti-depressant drugs. Chris Cornell who by all accounts was a loving father and had a perfect wife and home life, walked off the stage where he had just performed for adoring fans who cheered for him as one would cheer a rock god, went back to his hotel room, swallowed a bunch of pills, drank alcohol and proceeded to hang himself. The pain is coming from inside the house. Posted by: Kreplach at June 06, 2018 04:08 PM (UfMVm) And he made it way past "the 27 club". I knew he had inner demons--just listening to his songs on "Superunknown" and "Down On The Upside" albums revealed that--but I figured he had turned his inner demons into rocking money making tunes and all was well. Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 06, 2018 04:13 PM (ujg0T) 297
If watching dog videos on YouTube has shown me anything, it's that people who spend their life with huskies (or malamutes) usually have a few screws loose.
Posted by: Hikaru Ya mean... missing a couple of important marbles ? Posted by: JT at June 06, 2018 04:13 PM (R/j59) 298
Of course, I feel much better about life since I by and large stopped talking to people other than Her Majesty and became almost completely asocial. Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 06, 2018 04:13 PM (BWL+E) 299
People in the past expected less out of life.
--- And they expected a certain unpaid balance in the next one. Just like many lived their life for an audience of God, their family and friends. We can be simply beasts who talk, evolved out of a godless stream of nature that only knows to keep living. And nothing in this imperfect, self-perpetuating cluster is perfect enough to suggest that faith can't have a net positive effect. Posted by: Axeman at June 06, 2018 04:13 PM (vDqXW) 300
No you're not. You're human! Please ignore what some anonymous person on the internet says.
Posted by: Minnfidel at June 06, 2018 04:10 PM (lFBwl) I usually do. It wasn't a good time for me to read that, I suppose. Things I've had to deal with lately (they're on Fen's prayer list) have been taking up most of my time. Posted by: Captain Whitebread, World's Worst Superhero at June 06, 2018 04:13 PM (rJUlF) 301
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 06, 2018 03:55 PM (fceHP)
Uplifting truths. When life gets heavy, I try to remember number 40, https://goo.gl/962M4q Posted by: auscolpyr at June 06, 2018 04:01 PM (suO/a) so much common sense here it's sad people cannot keep it all in perspective Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 06, 2018 04:14 PM (fceHP) 302
262 Posted by: Captain Whitebread, World's Worst Superhero at June 06, 2018 04:06 PM (rJUlF)
Loser my ass. Just keep livin' chief. Posted by: ScoggDog at June 06, 2018 04:14 PM (Gzt/W) Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 06, 2018 04:14 PM (7LY+6) 304
She hates the meds because they make her lifeless, numb and she has to sleep so much every day. It's bad.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 06, 2018 04:11 PM (fceHP) She needs a better doctor. Maybe a younger, newer one up on the lastest stuff. Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June 06, 2018 04:14 PM (8sZIF) 305
Kate's sister said she became semi-obssessed with Robin's death. She thinks she may have begun kinda planning it way back then. Her sister's interview is very revealing.
Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June 06, 2018 04:08 PM (8sZIF) Why is the sister out giving interviews to the press so soon? Serious question. Posted by: Pickles at June 06, 2018 04:14 PM (72spU) 306
287 She hates the meds because they make her lifeless, numb and she has to sleep so much every day. It's bad.
Exactly the same as my mother. But not my brother for some reason. Perhaps because he got lithium much sooner ... but who knows. Posted by: Off the reservation at June 06, 2018 04:14 PM (vWMNq) 307
Didn't read the twitter feed yet, but didn't Brit
Hume's son take his life and the left is probably saying vile stuff because Hume the dad might have once said something positive about Trump?! Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2018 04:07 PM (vw6r3) I don't know anything about Brit's son. The general conversation between Tucker and Brit was how Trump is living inside the lefts head rent free. Brit brought up the responses to the tweet as an example. Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 06, 2018 04:15 PM (aVYsC) 308
Because we have depressives on this board, and maybe it'll help us all understand them a bit better.
********************** Depression gets a bad rap, I don't know at what point it becomes objectively clinical, but it's not healthy to be snappy happy dappy every fucking day of your life, and honestly it pisses me off when people treat ANY form of depression as being abnormal. Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at June 06, 2018 04:15 PM (+dsLj) 309
304
Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June 06, 2018 04:14 PM (8sZIF) Wrong again. Posted by: Off the reservation at June 06, 2018 04:15 PM (vWMNq) 310
I've known a few bipolars, some milder, some not. I think the meds are awful feeling and the mania is great feeling but that's followed by the massive horrible depression.
Posted by: dagny at June 06, 2018 04:15 PM (nRWPy) 311
I've described it like this to a few close friends:
Imagine you've fallen off of a boat. You're drowning. You're screaming for help. All you get is more buckets of water thrown at you. Posted by: Captain Whitebread, World's Worst Superhero at June 06, 2018 04:11 PM Use those close friends and loved ones as a life saver, literally. Even if you think there's no hope, there is and someone loves you and it would leave a hole in their heart if you weren't here. Trust me on that! Posted by: Minnfidel at June 06, 2018 04:15 PM (lFBwl) 312
Just enough to buy a large enough tract of land to never have to worry about neighbors.
Always said that I want enough land that I can stand anywhere near my house, throw a rock and not hit a neighbor. When people ask what size rock I just smile and say, 9mm. Posted by: Laughing in Texas at June 06, 2018 04:15 PM (xQfPr) 313
Ace: "...we're now dealing with an alienation from physical reality itself."
Simultaneously obvious and astute statement. Prescient. This is and will be a rich vein to be tapped for the foreseeable future. Profound changes are indeed happening; understanding how humans cope will produce volumes upon volumes of research and literature. I consider myself conservative and aged enough not to be wholly subsumed by this New Cyber Age that keeps getting on my lawn, but it is molding humanity on the whole in countless ways both superficially and organically. Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at June 06, 2018 04:15 PM (H8S+R) 314
we are all losers"
People who lost things... Posted by: Anon a mouse I'm gonna need that guy's leg... Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at June 06, 2018 04:15 PM (AM1GF) 315
I guess the point here, other than how retarded it was to do that, is that you can render yourself unconscious so quickly that you don't even realize it. I imagine this mode of suicide probably is quite painless.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 06, 2018 04:05 PM (4ErVI) Cue M*A*S*H theme..... Posted by: JoeF Cue Kung Fu theme. Posted by: rickb223 at June 06, 2018 04:15 PM (bKPAB) 316
We are all broken people
Come unto me all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 06, 2018 04:15 PM (TtorR) 317
282 Living in spite of those who wish to see you dead or destroyed is a great motivator.
Posted by: Pickles at June 06, 2018 04:10 PM (72spU) And THIS keeps me going. I won't give the Left the pleasure of my non-existence. Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 06, 2018 04:15 PM (ujg0T) 318
303 we are all losers"
People who lost things... Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 06, 2018 04:14 PM (7LY+6) I understood that reference. Posted by: Captain America at June 06, 2018 04:15 PM (72PAC) 319
Posted by: Captain Whitebread, World's Worst Superhero at June 06, 2018 04:11 PM (rJUlF)
I know things are difficult right now as you're asked for prayers for a number of things. What can we do to help you in other ways? If you want write to me at FenelonDirection 18 @ gmail thingy please feel free. If I can't get back to you today-because I have to- go out in a while, I will write back tomorrow. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2018 04:15 PM (vw6r3) Posted by: Roland THTG at June 06, 2018 04:15 PM (xBSm0) 321
There are two types (at least) of bi-polars. 1. People who have unstable brain chemistry. 2. People who have been gas-lighted into manic-depressive swings. There really isn't anything wrong with the latter except that tend to be highly intelligent, overly self critical, honest, people who don't fit well into society. They know that they can do things - but people around them denigrate them. This sets up a conflict in their brains which leads to the manic depressive cycle.
Posted by: An Observation at June 06, 2018 04:16 PM (e0qb0) 322
258 My sister-in-law hanged herself in February, so I guess she's part of the trend. We're not really sure why. I think she left a note, but I haven't been privy to the contents. She recently had surgery and the prognosis was good, so it's surprising that she took her life. My theory is that she had been in pain for a long time and was expecting the pain to go away after the surgery. When it didn't, she just didn't want to suffer through the recovery period.
What's sad is that she had a lot to look forward to - retirement, grandchildren, travel, etc. My brother has adjusted fairly well, but he's kind of checked out of his kids' lives, so they're essentially orphans now. Very sad. Posted by: biancaneve There was a hanging suicide in my extended family as well about two years ago -the husband of one of my cousins hung himself in the garage. (With an outdoor extension cord -- very masculine choice of nooses, as opposed to a scarf). However in his case the reasons were very clear. He was a raging alcoholic and terrible husband and father. The week before he nearly murdered someone over some dumb road-rage incident and felt he was out of control. His wife (my cousin) spent all her time online flirting with other men in online multi-player game. His son had learning difficulties which the dad had no way to fix. And he had to work 18-hour shifts at a tedious high-stress job where he was always blamed for every problem. Between shifts on long 3-day weekends, he drink himself blind and went on violent drunk-rages against his wife, his son, strangers. Then he got charged with assault and resisting arrest and threatening the life of a policemen during the road-rage incident, and was facing years of trails, jail or probation. He eventually just couldn't take it anymore. No note. But no note was needed. My cousin just cremated his body and put the box in the garage where he killed himself. No funeral, no wake, no nothing - -she didn't even tell his family back east. Just continued flirting with guys online, as if nothing had happened. She hated him, apparently. Posted by: zombie at June 06, 2018 04:16 PM (c+2jX) 323
I've described it like this to a few close friends:
Imagine you've fallen off of a boat. You're drowning. You're screaming for help. All you get is more buckets of water thrown at you. Posted by: Captain Whitebread, World's Worst Superhero at June 06, 2018 04:11 PM (rJUlF) I'm more of: I'm thinking perfectly clearly for the first time in my life. Everything is shit, there is nothing but shit, and there will never be anything but shit, not for me. There is something so fundamentally wrong with me that I do not deserve to continue in this life, and I am actually a liability to anyone who is saddled with being related to me. Everything is shit, there is nothing but shit, and there will never be anything but shit, not for me (again). If I had the energy to do so, I would kill myself. It's all twisted, but that is the thought pattern. And from sanity, it makes no sense, but from inside the beast, it is the most obvious truth. Satan, the father of lies, lives in depression. Posted by: tcn in AK at June 06, 2018 04:16 PM (7UW64) 324
not so sure cutting everyone who commits suicide slack is the way to go.
Posted by: yankeefifth at June 06, 2018 04:11 PM (MTjB1) --- Slack is good for people hanging themselves. Cutting works well too. Posted by: Axeman at June 06, 2018 04:16 PM (vDqXW) 325
308. This is also true. In many cases, depression is the correct response to a situation, the psychic equivalent of pain in yhe body. But things can and do go screwy for people betimes.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Ask Me About SMR & Ancient Slavonaut Theory at June 06, 2018 04:16 PM (fA1SL) 326
As always, seek help if you're feeling suicidal. Your family and friends will be scarred forever even if your attempt fails. Just briefly thinking of that horrible night a year and a half ago makes me cry. Pooky's guardian angel deserves a pay raise.
Posted by: pookysgirl at June 06, 2018 04:16 PM (XKZwp) 327
Because we have depressives on this board, and maybe it'll help us all understand them a bit better.
Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June sure, smart military blog with vulgar discussions of politics is just the place. Posted by: yankeefifth at June 06, 2018 04:17 PM (MTjB1) 328
I once was lost / but now I'm found..."
Still some of the most beautiful words in the English language. Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 06, 2018 04:17 PM (7LY+6) 329
Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 06, 2018 04:15 PM (TtorR)
My faith sure as heck helps me. No; I'm NOT suggesting Christians go off their meds. Wouldn't do that God works through meds too. I'm just saying things are more bearable with God helping me bear things. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2018 04:17 PM (vw6r3) 330
294 I say that I'd finally go to college, but I'm not sure I have a strong enough knowledge base to counter the indoctrination/bullying.
Posted by: Hikaru at June ? what the hell do you think goes on at college? Posted by: yankeefifth at June 06, 2018 04:12 PM (MTjB1) Why, indoctrination and bullying, that's what. And this has been going on for 30 odd years..... Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 06, 2018 04:17 PM (ujg0T) 331
Depression gets a bad rap, I don't know at what point it becomes objectively clinical, but it's not healthy to be snappy happy dappy every fucking day of your life, and honestly it pisses me off when people treat ANY form of depression as being abnormal.
Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen Some depression when things are bad is natural. It's when it colors and interferes with everything that you need help. Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at June 06, 2018 04:17 PM (AM1GF) 332
not so sure cutting everyone who commits suicide slack is the way to go.
Posted by: yankeefifth at June 06, 2018 04:11 PM (MTjB1) It saddens me to see another life lost when I read about it. I had no idea who Kate Spade was until yesterday. But I feel some sorrow for those who she left behind. As for "cutting slack"...complaining about how selfish the person was for killing themselves accomplishes...what, for those left behind? "Oh, your mom offed herself, she was a loser". Posted by: Captain Whitebread, World's Worst Superhero at June 06, 2018 04:17 PM (rJUlF) 333
trails = trials
Posted by: zombie at June 06, 2018 04:17 PM (c+2jX) 334
182--- Give me a billion dollars, hell, give me $100 million and you'll never hear from me again. And I won't be bored for one second of my life.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 06, 2018 03:56 PM (bKPAB) ----------------------------- I have known some extremely rich people and some extremely poor ones. I can say with confidence that money has NOTHING to do with the individual's tendency toward boredom. Lack of imagination and curiosity, laziness and passivity, these are the kind of traits that make people bored --- and boring. All money does is let you (temporarily) hide your essential boredom with more expensive drugs and distractions. Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 06, 2018 04:17 PM (0jtPF) 335
Satan, the father of lies, lives in depression.
Posted by: tcn in AK at June 06, 2018 04:16 PM (7UW64) Sure does. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2018 04:18 PM (vw6r3) Posted by: rickb223 at June 06, 2018 04:18 PM (bKPAB) 337
is that because the manic phase of it is enjoyable?
Posted by: ace at June 06, 2018 03:54 PM (8rNrN) --- Enjoyable, right up to the point where they hit the wall. Then it's a 5150 call to 911 and a coupla weeks at the carrier clinic doing thorazine shooters. Posted by: BluesFish at June 06, 2018 04:18 PM (ph+pr) Posted by: Maxine Waters' Hair at June 06, 2018 04:18 PM (mPeei) 339
That tweet of Hume's is spot on. I still carry guilt over my cousins suicide. We'd had a fight a few days before, we were like brothers. Then I got the call from my Mom that he had killed himself. I still always wonder if it was our fight that was the final straw for him. I may never know, but I carried more than his casket when he was buried and that guilt did not and never will get buried either.
Posted by: Minnfidel at June 06, 2018 04:18 PM (lFBwl) 340
My faith sure as heck helps me. No; I'm NOT suggesting Christians go off their meds. Wouldn't do that God works through meds too. I'm just saying things are more bearable with God helping me bear things.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2018 04:17 PM (vw6r3) I got the "Too Blessed To Be Depressed (!)" message from several people during the major depressive episode I had after my divorce. I had to pray for forgiveness later for what I wanted to happen to them. Posted by: Captain Whitebread, World's Worst Superhero at June 06, 2018 04:19 PM (rJUlF) 341
I've done my best to take a daily break from the cyber world. At present I don't have internet at home; my phone is limited, and so it my cable.
Partly that's because I'm broke. But it's more relaxing, too. Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 06, 2018 04:20 PM (G+x7t) Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at June 06, 2018 04:20 PM (AM1GF) 343
saddens me to see another life lost when I read about it. I had no idea who Kate Spade was until yesterday. But I feel some sorrow for those who she left behind.
As for "cutting slack"...complaining about how selfish the person was for killing themselves accomplishes...what, for those left behind? "Oh, your mom offed herself, she was a loser". Posted by: Captain Whitebread, World's Worst Superhero at June you use it as a preventative, such as don't do it it is for losers. Posted by: yankeefifth at June 06, 2018 04:20 PM (MTjB1) 344
She needs a better doctor. Maybe a younger, newer one up on the lastest stuff.
Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June 06, 2018 04:14 PM (8sZIF) She's had multiple doctors over the years. It doesn't matter. Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 06, 2018 04:20 PM (fceHP) 345
322 She hated him, apparently.
Posted by: zombie at June 06, 2018 04:16 PM (c+2jX) Sounds awful. I wonder what his side of the family thought. Posted by: Off the reservation at June 06, 2018 04:20 PM (vWMNq) 346
Posted by: Captain Whitebread, World's Worst Superhero at June 06, 2018 04:19 PM (rJUlF)
I'm sorry. That's a very insensitive thing for them to say. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2018 04:20 PM (vw6r3) 347
Hell, my adhd kid didn't even like his adhd meds. Said they made him flat. I'm sure the bipolar meds are far worse. I took some antidepressants after my dad died not for depression but for panic attacks. I do know I experienced my emotions at a much more reduced level. Sorta glad I was on them when my brother died at his desk. Made that less awful in some ways, not cognitively but the weight of horrible was not as heavy as I think it would have been. Then I got knocked up again and went off. Got control of the panic, some of which wasn't panic at all but GERD which the no-carb thing got rid of.
So essentially I feel better on a meat/eggs/greenveg/nuts/cheese diet than on antidepressants for panic. Who knew? Posted by: dagny at June 06, 2018 04:20 PM (nRWPy) 348
My faith sure as heck helps me. No; I'm NOT suggesting Christians go off their meds. Wouldn't do that God works through meds too. I'm just saying things are more bearable with God helping me bear things.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2018 04:17 PM Well said! Posted by: Minnfidel at June 06, 2018 04:21 PM (lFBwl) Posted by: Laughing in Texas at June 06, 2018 04:21 PM (xQfPr) 350
My faith sure as heck helps me. No; I'm NOT suggesting Christians go off their meds. Wouldn't do that God works through meds too. I'm just saying things are more bearable with God helping me bear things.
------------ Well said. Posted by: SH at June 06, 2018 04:21 PM (sX1BW) Posted by: simplemind at June 06, 2018 04:21 PM (lApV/) 352
This is from the linked article at Insta-wife.
Please read it...we have depressives on this board. Clinical Depression is a serious disease...it is not garden variety. --------------------- Kay Redfield Jamison, a clinical psychologist and author of Night Falls Fast: Understanding Suicide, has some insight: Suicidal depression involves a kind of pain and hopelessness that is impossible to describe — and I have tried. I teach in psychiatry and have written about my bipolar illness, but words struggle to do justice to it. How can you say what it feels like to go from being someone who loves life to wishing only to die? "Suicidal depression is a state of cold, agitated horror and relentless despair. The things that you most love in life leach away. Everything is an effort, all day and throughout the night. There is no hope, no point, no nothing. The burden you know yourself to be to others is intolerable. So, too, is the agitation from the mania that may simmer within a depression. There is no way out and an endless road ahead. When someone is in this state, suicide can seem a bad choice but the only one." Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June 06, 2018 04:21 PM (8sZIF) 353
280 That mini manlet always had a solid 10 by his side. Say what you will about David Spade, but the man has some serious game.
Posted by: Pickles at June 06, 2018 04:08 PM (72spU) I dated a very short fellow in college. He had a theory that all men had exactly the same amount of skin. Ergo....well.....it had to be SOMEWHERE..... Posted by: tcn in AK at June 06, 2018 04:10 PM (7UW64) Back in the day before internet social media pressure, I've been told that confident manlets made women very curious to say the least. There is that one scene from the movie Slackers where Lauren Pippen's character says that short men are the best because they make up for their height in the bedroom (paraphrasing). I think there may be some truth to that. Extra effort goes a long way. Posted by: Pickles at June 06, 2018 04:21 PM (72spU) 354
you use it as a preventative, such as don't do it it is for losers.
Posted by: yankeefifth Depressives tend to think they're losers to begin with. Renders that tactic rather counterproductive. Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at June 06, 2018 04:21 PM (AM1GF) 355
All money does is let you (temporarily) hide your essential boredom with more expensive drugs and distractions.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 06, 2018 04:17 PM (0jtPF) Poor people have access to cheap drugs, which are generally just as effective as any expensive drugs. That aside, money helps a lot of things. It really doesn't hurt anything. You can always give your money away. Going in the other direction is a little more difficult. I think Pearl Bailey said it best, "I've been rich and I've been poor. Rich is better." Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 06, 2018 04:21 PM (ZxqOz) 356
Posted by: Captain Whitebread, World's Worst Superhero at June 06, 2018 04:19 PM (rJUlF)
And my guess it people that say that haven't been in the depth of clinical depression. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2018 04:21 PM (vw6r3) 357
>>ipolar people often tend-I thin-k to go off their medications more regularly that people who "just" have clinical depression, because they start feeling better and then think they don't need it.
is that because the manic phase of it is enjoyable? Based on interactions with a bi-polar family member, the manic times are INTENSE - there is no force on earth that can stop her, very upbeat, active, etc. So, I would think so. I don't know about the meds for bi-polar, but based on another family member who is schizophrenic, those drugs are tricky, because when you go off the symptoms get worse than before the drugs, and it takes a higher dosage to get back to normal (a kind of ratcheting up with each lapse). If I had to guess, inconsistent use of drugs for serious mental health issues makes things much worse. This Kate Spade suicide (all of them) is such a waste. Ugh. Posted by: Lizzy at June 06, 2018 04:21 PM (W+vEI) Posted by: Off the reservation at June 06, 2018 04:21 PM (vWMNq) 359
62 Suicide of any type is senseless. Suicide of a very rich middle aged woman is beyond stupid. She had all the FU money in the world. None of her problems were unsolvable...
This reminded me of a piece I once read about survivors who had jumped off of the Golden Gate Bridge. One of them said that the moment he jumped, he had a moment of clarity - ALL of the problems in his life were solvable, EXCEPT having just jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge! He was blessed to be given a second chance. Posted by: Formerly known as Skeptic at June 06, 2018 04:22 PM (91XRk) 360
Why, indoctrination and bullying, that's what. And this has been going on for 30 odd years.....
Posted by: Curmudgeon at June well, ok , but so severe that it is too much for a grown ass man that hangs around here to tolerate? Posted by: yankeefifth at June 06, 2018 04:22 PM (MTjB1) 361
I understood that reference.
Posted by: Captain America" Heh. And yeah, I'm the guy who finds something to chuckle over at the worst times. Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 06, 2018 04:22 PM (7LY+6) Posted by: Captain Whitebread, World's Worst Superhero at June 06, 2018 04:22 PM (rJUlF) 363
Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June 06, 2018 04:21 PM (8sZIF)
That is a good book as is "Fire in The Brain" (I think that's the title) about creative people who were bipolar or depressed. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2018 04:22 PM (vw6r3) 364
107 The woman who was the GF of Mick Jagger-and also a designer committed suicide in the same way. Maybe Kate Spade was aware of thatt.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2018 03:45 PM (vw6r3) L'Wren Scott (2014) Posted by: m at June 06, 2018 04:23 PM (0bRDi) 365
There is a condition known as 'revenge suicide'. If the content of the note is accurate, this situation fits. It's twisted, hard to understand. My ex is bipolar, Ive seen a lot of inexplicable behavior such as this.
Harry Stack Sullivan, who was a famous psychiatrist in the 1940s, once described suicide as "murder in the 180th degree," i.e. many people who commit suicide are motivated by rage at someone else. Posted by: Basement Cat at June 06, 2018 04:23 PM (3C9q2) 366
So essentially I feel better on a meat/eggs/greenveg/nuts/cheese diet than on antidepressants for panic.
Who knew? = huh. what was your diet before ?? Posted by: runner at June 06, 2018 04:23 PM (bUjCl) 367
Posted by: Captain Whitebread, World's Worst Superhero at June 06, 2018 04:22 PM (rJUlF)
Of course they did. Sometimes people say stuff that doesn't help because they just want to make things better-when it doesn't. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2018 04:23 PM (vw6r3) 368
well, ok , but so severe that it is too much for a grown ass man that hangs around here to tolerate?
Posted by: yankeefifth at June 06, 2018 04:22 PM (MTjB1) I was under the impression that Hikaru was "Still a Young man"? (Cue Tower of Power song) Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 06, 2018 04:23 PM (ujg0T) 369
"... the liberal "participation trophy" crap that
prevents kids from learning the VALUABLE LESSON of failure and rejection and how to overcome it. ... Posted by: Sponge Participation trophy is the first thing that came to my mind (in regards to this post). Not so much about those lessons, but the lesson of striving to achieve something ... to compete is good, even to better one's own record. And the success of the commie's march through our institutions, with their goal being our defeat, more than turning us "communist". That meant breaking up the things that held us together. There is the feminist push for women to succeed like men, but a woman that marries and raises four kids is her own awesome success, imo. Let the hubbie go work at the factory, let the mom be their to help kids with their school and encourage them to play music, dance, sports. Have the garden, pets, read books. The old farm grandmothers made the house a home, the kids sang as she played piano, it was great stuff (and a lot of work back then). Some You-Tube channels now show these people getting off grid, building their own place, "making a go of it". They kinda have the right idea, though they tend to be liberal nuts, not understanding it's not a hippy thing, it's a self reliance thing. Posted by: illiniwek at June 06, 2018 04:23 PM (bT8Z4) 370
other news: Rep. Louie Gohmert just said on the House floor that the FBI is ordering witnesses NOT to give it evidence in the Awan case, so it can say that there's no evidence anything occurred. Top. Men. Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 06, 2018 04:24 PM (r+sAi) 371
283 Imagine you've fallen off of a boat.
You're drowning. You're screaming for help. All you get is more buckets of water thrown at you. Posted by: Captain Whitebread, World's Worst Superhero at June 06, 2018 04:11 PM (rJUlF) The worst are the people who flat out tell you that "The Gene Pool needs to be cleaned of your defectiveness", because they just have to be some sort of Unaware Parody of a Macho Alpha about the whole thing. Posted by: Hikaru at June 06, 2018 04:24 PM (WDCYi) 372
I realized a lot when my mother went through that mess a couple years ago. Some of you may remember. She fell into a state dubbed as psychotic depression. It occurred after she had knee-replacement surgery. She ended up having ECT (and I remember that was the one of the most horrible things I've ever gone through). That got her out of it. The thing is in person in that state is not rational at all. There is no reasoning with them. You've got to just let what they say go in one ear and out the other. Don't try to analyze it and "fix it", it's just pure delusion. Yes, suicide is a terribly hurtful act to those around you, but in that state, most of them don't know it. There is the spite suicide, however, and the threat of it, and that may be quite different. A truly evil act, but it could as well be the product of the same delusion. Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at June 06, 2018 04:24 PM (8O3HH) 373
I believe know they thought they were helping.
Job's friends did better. Posted by: Captain Whitebread, World's Worst Superhero at June 06, 2018 04:22 PM The point I hope you see is that you had friends that loved you enough to try and help, even if they were perhaps wrong in how they went about it. Nobody trains for that kind of situation. Posted by: Minnfidel at June 06, 2018 04:24 PM (lFBwl) 374
Some depression when things are bad is natural. It's when it colors and interferes with everything that you need help.
************************* I'm sure, but I've had long periods of depression that impacted my life severely and yet I feel it's just part of who i am, not necessarily something that requires treatment where the cure is even worse than the disease. Ironically when i'm allowed to feel melancholy I feel a LOT better, because it's exhausting having to put on this fake persona of sunny disposition just to keep others from pestering or harassing me to get treated. Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at June 06, 2018 04:24 PM (+dsLj) 375
I don't think harshly criticizing suicides works as a preventative because they're not thinking rationally and in a lot of cases may be in a state incapable of doing so without some prescription help. I'm a big believer in telling people to suck it up and carry on, but for people with mental ailments, that's useless.
Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at June 06, 2018 04:25 PM (beZXb) 376
Depressives tend to think they're losers to begin with. Renders that tactic rather counterproductive.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at June well, what percentage of suicides are depressives? Posted by: yankeefifth at June 06, 2018 04:25 PM (MTjB1) 377
360
Why, indoctrination and bullying, that's what. And this has been going on for 30 odd years..... Posted by: Curmudgeon at June Yeah, a grown up can easily igore/laugh at it. Hell, my 14 year old could. It's not that big a deal. Posted by: dagny at June 06, 2018 04:26 PM (nRWPy) 378
338 EM NEROIL FOADDY-FI!!!
Posted by: Maxine Waters' Hair at June 06, 2018 04:18 PM (mPeei) Well said. *yeah, no idea* Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 06, 2018 04:26 PM (2CQCl) 379
I got the "Too Blessed To Be Depressed (!)" message from several people during the major depressive episode I had after my divorce.
I had to pray for forgiveness later for what I wanted to happen to them. Posted by: Captain Whitebread, World's Worst Superhero at June 06, 2018 04:19 PM (rJUlF) Actually, when it comes to depression, Christians can be some of the worst to offer comfort. The worst. Also, don't know what bible they read, but there are many biblical figures that become depressed and none of them walk around saying that silly crap. Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June 06, 2018 04:26 PM (8sZIF) 380
Guess what happened next? One of the Cal students yelled at the guy angrily, "FUCK socialism! FUCK communism! Communism is responsible for 100 million deaths since World War II! Get those fuckin' flyers out of my face!"
And the yelling continued as I made my way down to the train. Made my day. The tide is turning -- even in Berkeley. I have never ever EVER heard anyone talk back to the communist leafletters in Berkeley. Until yesterday. Posted by: zombie at June 06, 2018 03:30 PM (c+2jX) ********************* Thanks I needed a feel good story like this today: especially after reading the Kate Spade article that JJ posted earlier from PJ Media. It really made me sad. I know of so many friends whose family members etc. have committed suicide. Posted by: redridinghood at June 06, 2018 04:26 PM (PvFoN) 381
The worst are the people who flat out tell you that "The Gene Pool needs to be cleaned of your defectiveness", because they just have to be some sort of Unaware Parody of a Macho Alpha about the whole thing.
Posted by: Hikaru at June 06, 2018 04:24 PM (WDCYi) I haven't had anyone be that direct, but...yeah. I agree. Posted by: Captain Whitebread, World's Worst Superhero at June 06, 2018 04:26 PM (rJUlF) 382
Posted by: Basement Cat at June 06, 2018 04:23 PM (3C9q2)
There is one approach to depression that says in a number of cases it's anger turned inward, which doesn't negate genetics or pharmacological aspects. I find counseling w/ot meds terribly helpful but in my case I think there is some truth to that. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2018 04:26 PM (vw6r3) 383
352 Clinical Depression is a serious disease...it is not garden variety.
That was an interesting read. But. It is not a single disease, IMO. And some cases of "depression" are surely not "clinical" but just of a failure to suck it up and keep trying. Unless you live with a person who is affected it is difficult to have an accurate opinion. Posted by: Off the reservation at June 06, 2018 04:26 PM (vWMNq) 384
374. TL; DR. Youre a normal, healthy human being.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Ask Me About SMR & Ancient Slavonaut Theory at June 06, 2018 04:26 PM (fA1SL) 385
"Suicide of any type is senseless. Suicide of a very rich middle aged woman is beyond stupid. She had all the FU money in the world. None of her problems were unsolvable"
I don't normally do this, and expect to get banned for it, but this is an ignorant asshole comment. Many people live with intractable problems every day that no amount of money can correct, and you should consider yourself fortunate to have avoided them. Posted by: Trigeminal Neuralgia sufferer at June 06, 2018 04:26 PM (cOANc) 386
When I was suicidal--and that's been a couple times, and once recently--I'm cold, empty, and everything is completely clear to me. Everything will be solved if I off myself. The pain will go away, everybody will get on with their lives just fine without me, and it will all be over. You have to FORCE yourself to step back and think of the implications. In a perverse way, the fact that my Mom and Dad both killed themselves helped me, in that I knew these things were a lie. Nobody is untouched. Nothing is really solved. The pain goes away for you, but not for others. You have to hold onto this fact.
Posted by: joncelli, Deplorable Yet Fuzzy at June 06, 2018 04:26 PM (1FhAQ) 387
She actually did an awful thing -- in her suicide note, she told her
daughter "It's not YOUR fault - -but if you want to know why I did this, ask your father!" Which makes the little daughter get involved in their marital problems at a terrible time. Bad thing to say in a suicide note. -- I know someone who is a friend with a woman who works very closely with Joan Rivers. Joan's husband did one better than that-- he blamed Joan for his suicide in a note to their daughter Melissa. Can't imagine how much that messed her up. Posted by: shibumi at June 06, 2018 04:27 PM (0s3bJ) 388
Posted by: Hikaru at June 06, 2018 04:24 PM (WDCYi)
I'd feel like I'd want to give someone who said that a huge punch in the nose and I'm not a violent person Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2018 04:27 PM (vw6r3) 389
I'm sorry. That's a very insensitive thing for them to say.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2018 04:20 PM (vw6r3) --- But then again, God doesn't gift everybody with the skill to say the right things. Everybody needs grace: In Greek "charisma", i.e. that is the very attraction of the Lord's character and person. We are to "be like him", to the point that those of us forgiven are so as we forgive others. This is an essential part of himself that he was trying to teach us. To become an ember of God's grace. To become that standard that lifts him up that he may draw all humans to himself. Posted by: Axeman at June 06, 2018 04:27 PM (vDqXW) Posted by: Tom Baker as Dr. Who at June 06, 2018 04:28 PM (NmR1a) 391
There are people here talking about depression who have not experienced it. It is unrelenting pain and horror. It aint a tough day at work.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 06, 2018 04:28 PM (TtorR) 392
So essentially I feel better on a meat/eggs/greenveg/nuts/cheese diet than on antidepressants for panic.
Who knew? = huh. what was your diet before ?? Posted by: runner Would bet high in carbs & sugars. Posted by: rickb223 at June 06, 2018 04:28 PM (bKPAB) 393
I am a depressive.
One of the worst things you can say to a depressive is that they have SO much, they are SO blessed, that being depressed or suicidal is irrational. If anything, it makes it worse. Makes one think of oneself as even more of a failure for feeling depressed despite all of the material things. Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at June 06, 2018 04:28 PM (G8hDY) 394
My cousin just cremated his body and put the box in the garage where he killed himself. No funeral, no wake, no nothing - -she didn't even tell his family back east. Just continued flirting with guys online, as if nothing had happened. She hated him, apparently.
Posted by: zombie at June 06, 2018 04:16 PM (c+2jX) -------------- Holy crap. Posted by: reason at June 06, 2018 04:29 PM (l2max) 395
I'm a big believer in telling people to suck it up and carry on, but for people with mental ailments, that's useless.
Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at June 06, 2018 04:25 PM (beZXb) Yea, they are already judging themselves much more harshly than anyone else. Clinical depression is really a different animal altogether from regular depression. My aprroaches tend to be different. Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June 06, 2018 04:29 PM (8sZIF) 396
That GP did not over react. My cousin was on lithium for years. He's now on dialysis as a result, less that 11% function.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at June 06, 2018 04:29 PM (Lqy/e) 397
Actually, when it comes to depression, Christians can be some of the worst to offer comfort. The worst. Also, don't know what bible they read, but there are many biblical figures that become depressed and none of them walk around saying that silly crap.
Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June 06, 2018 04:26 PM (8sZIF) Things like that I think are (sometimes) defense mechanisms of the people giving advice. They don't know what the depressed person is going through, how to act, how to respond, and (sometimes) don't actually want to dig through the weeds to find out. So they respond with cheery YAAAYYY! Just an observation. Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at June 06, 2018 04:29 PM (72PAC) 398
Posted by: Axeman at June 06, 2018 04:27 PM (vDqXW)
Yes; As I said they mean well and so they are trying to extend grace, but I agree that with the Holy Spirit we are to become like Christ. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2018 04:29 PM (vw6r3) 399
The animal fats and animals proteins with nuts and some veggies keto diet with only carbs once a month mix cured me of my anxiety. I was on anti anxiety medications since the end of college and got off last year. Got injured and couldn't excercise and the diet went bad and the anxiety came back.
Lots of things can be solved through proper nutrition, exercise, and sleep. Others problems with top teir bookers and cocaine. Posted by: Pickles at June 06, 2018 04:29 PM (72spU) 400
well, what percentage of suicides are depressives? Posted by: yankeefifth at June 06, 2018 04:25 PM (MTjB1) "are"? 0%. Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 06, 2018 04:30 PM (ZxqOz) 401
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Why, indoctrination and bullying, that's what. And this has been going on for 30 odd years..... Posted by: Curmudgeon at June Yeah, a grown up can easily ingore/laugh at it. Hell, my 14 year old could. It's not that big a deal. Posted by: dagny at June 06, 2018 04:26 PM (nRWPy) To all too many teenage and early 20's people still all too often trying to fit in and establish themselves, sadly, it is not that easy. Sure, now that you and I are 50, the left assholes are just mildly infuriating, but for impressionable youths, not so much.... Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 06, 2018 04:30 PM (ujg0T) 402
Which makes the little daughter get involved in their marital problems at a terrible time. Bad thing to say in a suicide note.
-- I know someone who is a friend with a woman who works very closely with Joan Rivers. Joan's husband did one better than that-- he blamed Joan for his suicide in a note to their daughter Melissa. Can't imagine how much that messed her up. Posted by: shibumi at June 06, 2018 04:27 PM That's so beyond messed up. So you're going to leave the kid with the impression that it was the spouses fault. Yea, that's going to help the kid after you kill yourself, which is already hard enough to get over, but regardless of the situation, it's horrid to do that to a child. Posted by: Minnfidel at June 06, 2018 04:30 PM (lFBwl) 403
I compare the discussion of cause / solution of mental illness to discussion of cause of homosexuality.
Are you born with it or not? The answer is crucial for the treatment regard to mental illness. Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at June 06, 2018 04:30 PM (y1gYQ) 404
@352
The only thing that I have experienced that is akin to this was actually the inverse. Right before the birth of my son I had a severe existential crisis, mostly related to my advanced age. I had a fear of dying that was so severe the thought of death would intrude virtually non-stop for months and all I wanted was to live as long as can. I was constantly calculating my age to the milestones of my son and would I actually live to see them. Gladly it has subsided but it was pervasive. Posted by: Kreplach at June 06, 2018 04:30 PM (UfMVm) 405
98 53 There's nothing to compel me to continue living after my parents since I've never been married or had kids. the world is a circle and I'm a square peg that doesn't belong.
Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at June 06, 2018 03:36 PM (+dsLj) Not so. Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at June 06, 2018 03:37 PM (5jVnA) Agreed. You may be a square peg. I'm pretty sure the AoSHQ Style Guide requires that all who hang out here be square pegs. Posted by: cornbred at June 06, 2018 * * Come on. A square peg can fit into a round hole, if the hole is large enough. You'll have some space around you on 4 sides, but that's something to enjoy! Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 06, 2018 04:30 PM (G+x7t) 406
Today I went back to listening to Phyllis Hyman, a singer blessed with phenomenal talent. She took her life June 30, 1993 I believe.
She was 45. After her death it was claimed she suffered from bipolar disorder. Posted by: kallisto at June 06, 2018 04:31 PM (bmii1) 407
I am a depressive.
One of the worst things you can say to a depressive is that they have SO much, they are SO blessed, that being depressed or suicidal is irrational. ===== What can one say then? What do you find helpful? serious question. Is there a thing to be said that works, or should I just try to distract you with goofy stuff? Posted by: simplemind at June 06, 2018 04:31 PM (fUegW) 408
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That GP did not over react. My cousin was on lithium for years. He's now on dialysis as a result, less that 11% function. Posted by: Notsothoreau at June 06, 2018 04:29 PM (Lqy/e) How the hell would you know. Posted by: Off the reservation at June 06, 2018 04:31 PM (vWMNq) 409
Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at June 06, 2018 04:28 PM (G8hDY)
I don't say that to people heaving been there myself, I do "This act will REALLY mess up your loved ones for a very, very long time and to think they'll be better off w/out you is the depression talking. It colors everything" because that's the truth. I also tell them to keep hanging on and get help until they do feel better. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2018 04:32 PM (vw6r3) 410
am a depressive.
One of the worst things you can say to a depressive is that they have SO much, they are SO blessed, that being depressed or suicidal is irrational. If anything, it makes it worse. Makes one think of oneself as even more of a failure for feeling depressed despite all of the material things. Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at June 06, 2018 04:28 PM (G8hDY) Exactly...because you already know you are blessed and have a good life and should be happy and enjoying it. But you can't, so then you feel even worse about yourself. Even more of a failure. I've known at least one clinically depressed person. Maybe two. Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June 06, 2018 04:32 PM (8sZIF) 411
well, ok , but so severe that it is too much for a grown ass man that hangs around here to tolerate?
Posted by: yankeefifth at June 06, 2018 04:22 PM (MTjB1) Maybe. Given all the "grow up" and "don't be immature" bullshit spouted by those that know better 'round here. I got fucked with as a kid. I took it for a while. Then I started fucking back. Turns out ... fucking back is not what most people want. Most people want you to shut the fuck up and take it. Posted by: ScoggDog at June 06, 2018 04:32 PM (Gzt/W) 412
Actually, when it comes to depression, Christians can be some of the worst to offer comfort. The worst. Also, don't know what bible they read, but there are many biblical figures that become depressed and none of them walk around saying that silly crap.
Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June 06, 2018 04:26 PM (8sZIF) ====== It is the reaction to my divorce, and my resulting depression, that led to my staying home on Sunday. I still have faith...at least a small, small, small piece...but people I thought I could count on, as a whole, made me out to be the villain because I couldn't keep my marriage together. My depresssion was because I was in sin and I needed to repent. It's been over a decade, and I still can't bring myself to set foot in a church. I don't blame God. I don't blame Christianity. I'd just rather not risk that kind of betrayal again. Posted by: Captain Whitebread, World's Worst Superhero at June 06, 2018 04:32 PM (rJUlF) 413
In other news, more of the success of British gun control! News team robbed live!
https://tinyurl.com/y7w3g5mu Posted by: exdem13 at June 06, 2018 04:32 PM (W+kMI) 414
You've come a long way baby! Yea feminism!
Posted by: Archer at June 06, 2018 04:33 PM (gmo/4) 415
One of the worst things you can say to a depressive is that they have SO much, they are SO blessed, that being depressed or suicidal is irrational.
If anything, it makes it worse. Makes one think of oneself as even more of a failure for feeling depressed despite all of the material things. Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at June 06, 2018 04:28 PM (G8hDY) THIS. Exactly. Posted by: Captain Whitebread, World's Worst Superhero at June 06, 2018 04:33 PM (rJUlF) 416
To all too many teenage and early 20's people still all too often trying to fit in and establish themselves, sadly, it is not that easy. Sure, now that you and I are 50, the left assholes are just mildly infuriating, but for impressionable youths, not so much....
Posted by: Curmudgeon at June well, that may be, but the only answer is to either fit in or suck it up and go your own way. they may not be desirable or easy but those are the only answers. both of which are better than not going to college. Posted by: yankeefifth at June 06, 2018 04:33 PM (MTjB1) 417
My cousin was on lithium for ten years. It's known that it destroys kidney function. He switched to a new shrink who immediately took him off it.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at June 06, 2018 04:33 PM (Lqy/e) 418
@370
Has he filed a complaint with the FBI and DOJ? It's one thing to say it on the floor but he could, you know, try to do something about it. The GOP is a useless pile of dog shit. Posted by: Kreplach at June 06, 2018 04:33 PM (UfMVm) 419
The Japanese view of suicide is that it is the sincerest form of apology that one can offer.
I had a very good friend - that rarest of people, an honest lawyer - who killed himself. Honest people are honest because they can't live with the guilt of being dishonest. He had an affair, and he was a dead man walking because of it; he couldn't stand the guilt the affair brought with it. His last words - to his wife - were "I'm so sorry." Posted by: An Observation at June 06, 2018 04:34 PM (e0qb0) 420
Are you born with it or not? The answer is crucial for the treatment regard to mental illness.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp I know in my case there are other things "under the hood" that interact with the agent of depression, whatever that is. The brain's a learning machine; depression interferes with that process, resulting in "learning" that's...off. And it builds on itself. I'm just getting started realizing everything it's colored and touched in my own life, and I'm almost dumbfounded by just how insidious it is. Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at June 06, 2018 04:34 PM (AM1GF) 421
When I get rich I'm going full Daniel Plainview.
Posted by: eleven at June 06, 2018 04:34 PM (+lOpA) 422
The Japanese view of suicide is that it is the sincerest form of apology that one can offer.
Posted by: An Observation at June 06, 2018 04:34 PM (e0qb0) When a pinky just won't do ... Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 06, 2018 04:35 PM (ZxqOz) 423
OT, but Big Red on Drudge
Special counsel Robert Mueller's team is requesting that witnesses turn in their personal phones to inspect their encrypted messaging programs Special counsel Robert Mueller's team is asking witnesses to turn in their phones in order to access encrypted messaging applications, sources tell CNBC. Mueller's team has indicated it wants to examine private conversations on WhatsApp, Confide, Signal and Dust, sources say. Fearing a subpoena, the witnesses have complied with the request and have given over their phones. Shows you how much I use my mobile phone (it's always off), I have no idea what WhatsApp, Confide, Signal and Dust are. No clue. Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 06, 2018 04:35 PM (fceHP) 424
Actually, when it comes to depression, Christians
can be some of the worst to offer comfort. The worst. Also, don't know what bible they read, but there are many biblical figures that become depressed and none of them walk around saying that silly crap. Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June 06, 2018 04:26 PM (8sZIF) ====== It is the reaction to my divorce, and my resulting depression, that led to my staying home on Sunday. I still have faith...at least a small, small, small piece...but people I thought I could count on, as a whole, made me out to be the villain because I couldn't keep my marriage together. My depresssion was because I was in sin and I needed to repent. It's been over a decade, and I still can't bring myself to set foot in a church. I don't blame God. I don't blame Christianity. I'd just rather not risk that kind of betrayal again. Posted by: Captain Whitebread, World's Worst Superhero at June 06, 2018 04:32 PM (rJUlF) Sorry to hear that. There is a lot of difference between Christianity and organized religion, if you know what I mean. Posted by: Archer at June 06, 2018 04:35 PM (gmo/4) 425
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In other news, more of the success of British gun control! News team robbed live! https://tinyurl.com/y7w3g5mu Posted by: exdem13 at June 06, 2018 04:32 PM (W+kMI) LOL. Posted a comment regarding that a few threads back. It's the latest thing in London. "Moped Gangs". Daily-mail has had a bunch of stories on it today and yesterday. Funny thing is that the riders, when identified, seem to be mostly migrants ... Posted by: Off the reservation at June 06, 2018 04:35 PM (vWMNq) 426
She went to that dismal place and couldn't find her way out. It happens. Don't know that there is much to learn speculating on whether her note to her daughter was good or bad. It just was what she did. Maybe humans were not designed to last as long as they do? Life can get repetitive and predictable. We hope for wisdom as we age but we should probably hope for a good sense of humor.
Posted by: Gumby @ CNN at June 06, 2018 04:35 PM (2LelM) 427
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Posted by: nip at June 06, 2018 04:35 PM (ECLaL) 428
I got fucked with as a kid. I took it for a while. Then I started fucking back.
Turns out ... fucking back is not what most people want. Most people want you to shut the fuck up and take it. Posted by: ScoggDog Life's a stone cold bitch. Hope they enjoy the fucking. Posted by: rickb223 at June 06, 2018 04:36 PM (nMj2X) 429
What has helped me in therapy, simplemind, is to have someone listen to me and not try to talk me out of what I am feeling. Earlier today Cavil made the point that isolation is a key element here. Well, that is powerful. If I can talk to someone who takes my feelings seriously instead of offering cliches then that is the best medicine.
It is hard, and people naturally want to solve problems. I do not blame people for trying to help. But if depression were so easily willed away, it would not be a problem. Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at June 06, 2018 04:36 PM (G8hDY) 430
Posted by: Captain Whitebread, World's Worst Superhero at June 06, 2018 04:32 PM (rJUlF)
Sorry that people reacted that way. If you ever get up here come to my tiny church. We have several people who have been divorced and having been with the in book studies and Bible studies I don't think they'd say that. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2018 04:36 PM (vw6r3) 431
I had a friend whose daughter was killed. He was on one Antidepressant after another for years until he finally killed himself. As a Pharmacist, let me tell you that Antidepressants don't cure Depression. They merely anesthetize your soul so you exist in a limbo that is less stressful but devoid of happiness. Suicide is a very real factor in Antidepressant use. It imbalances your endocrine/hormonal system which introduces unhealthy side effects that lead to other organ degeneration over time. This is a spiritual problem and can only be cured by spiritual means.
Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 06, 2018 04:36 PM (9BLnV) 432
I'm a big believer in medication to combat mental illness, except it must be carefully watched until the patient him/herself feels stabilized. A good friend of ours, a woman whose pregnancy changed her body chemistry in some way went through serious post-natal depression, and it continued until medication leveled her life out. She's been living very well ever since. But not every story ends this way, as most know.
Medications can often exaggerate depression in wrong dosages or if the wrong medication is prescribed. A friend of ours, a school teacher, hung himself shortly after being placed on a new medication where the doctor was not carefully monitoring the effect of the dosage. Always be sensitive to the impacts of these medications on the person involved. They can either be a lifesaver, or a life-destroyer. Posted by: Huck Follywood, Vigilance Committee supporter at June 06, 2018 04:36 PM (LISuA) 433
I will say to you witchDoktor, that depression lies. Big time. It hijacks your thoughts. It's lies are from the pit of hell. So don't listen to it's seductive whisperings about suicide. Fight back.
I do hope you have friends and a support system and a good doctor. That part is on you...getting help for this awful disease. That you can do...or have a friend help you do it. Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June 06, 2018 04:37 PM (8sZIF) 434
Maybe.
Given all the "grow up" and "don't be immature" bullshit spouted by those that know better 'round here. I got fucked with as a kid. I took it for a while. Then I started fucking back. Turns out ... fucking back is not what most people want. Most people want you to shut the fuck up and take it. Posted by: ScoggDog at June don't know how old he is but assume everyone here is 18 or more. Posted by: yankeefifth at June 06, 2018 04:37 PM (MTjB1) 435
I'm bi-polar. The manic part is like flying. Once I painted all the rooms in my house in three days. I don't think I slept.
Then you crash and want to kill yourself. I used to paint. I'm on meds now that keep me sane, but I can't paint anymore. I miss that. Still, sane is better than paint. Posted by: grammie winger - at June 06, 2018 04:37 PM (lwiT4) 436
Suicide happens when people convince themselves that those they love would be better off without them. They believe that the pain from the suicide would be less than the pain from having the suicidal person remain in their lives.
It's never true. Never. Posted by: Lauren at June 06, 2018 04:37 PM (B8Lao) 437
411 well, ok , but so severe that it is too much for a grown ass man that hangs around here to tolerate?
Posted by: yankeefifth at June 06, 2018 04:22 PM (MTjB1) Maybe. Given all the "grow up" and "don't be immature" bullshit spouted by those that know better 'round here. I got fucked with as a kid. I took it for a while. Then I started fucking back. Turns out ... fucking back is not what most people want. Most people want you to shut the fuck up and take it. Posted by: ScoggDog at June 06, 2018 04:32 PM (Gzt/W) I truly believe the old ways, where A State of Nature addressed such problems before they became an epidemic in society like we have today, are without a doubt the best ways. People disappear everyday and the world was a better place for it. Posted by: Pickles at June 06, 2018 04:37 PM (72spU) 438
Special counsel Robert Mueller's team is requesting that witnesses turn in their personal phones to inspect their encrypted messaging programs
Wait, isn't that shit witness tampering? The exact goddamn thing he's trying to hit Manafort for? Christ on a crutch! This should be automatic termination of his mandate and prosecution for his actions! Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at June 06, 2018 04:37 PM (AM1GF) 439
Fen, and that is a useful thing to point out. That a suicide is going to hurt others.
Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at June 06, 2018 04:38 PM (G8hDY) 440
I also tell them to keep hanging on and get help until they do feel better.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 06, 2018 04:32 PM (vw6r3) The other option is to put them in your car and drive them to the hospital. Sometimes that is the only option. Posted by: tcn in AK at June 06, 2018 04:38 PM (7UW64) 441
What has helped me in therapy, simplemind, is to have someone listen to me and not try to talk me out of what I am feeling. Earlier today Cavil made the point that isolation is a key element here. Well, that is powerful. If I can talk to someone who takes my feelings seriously instead of offering cliches then that is the best medicine.
It is hard, and people naturally want to solve problems. I do not blame people for trying to help. But if depression were so easily willed away, it would not be a problem. Posted by: WitchDoktor ===== Thank you sincerely for that insight. You have helped me. Really helped me. I am in your debt. Posted by: simplemind at June 06, 2018 04:38 PM (3NaUT) 442
Special counsel Robert Mueller's team is requesting that witnesses turn in their personal phones to inspect their encrypted messaging programs
Wait, isn't that shit witness tampering? The exact goddamn thing he's trying to hit Manafort for? Christ on a crutch! This should be automatic termination of his mandate and prosecution for his actions! Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at June 06, 2018 04:37 PM (AM1GF) the article says they complied because they were afraid of a subpoena Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 06, 2018 04:38 PM (fceHP) 443
Special counsel Robert Mueller's team is requesting that witnesses turn in their personal phones to inspect their encrypted messaging programs
Special counsel Robert Mueller's team is asking witnesses to turn in their phones in order to access encrypted messaging applications, sources tell CNBC. Mueller's team has indicated it wants to examine private conversations on WhatsApp, Confide, Signal and Dust, sources say. Fearing a subpoena, the witnesses have complied with the request and have given over their phones. Shows you how much I use my mobile phone (it's always off), I have no idea what WhatsApp, Confide, Signal and Dust are. No clue. Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 06, 2018 04:35 PM (fceHP) I think Mueller is maniacal and out of control.... Posted by: JoeF. at June 06, 2018 04:38 PM (y8Foj) 444
hormones evidently play a factor then
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 06, 2018 04:02 PM (fceHP) Of course. Bringing up the effect of hormones on behavior is a no-no, but contrast the attitude of, say, a 10 year old boy toward girls with that of a 14 year old boy. Hormones don't affect behavior? Right. Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at June 06, 2018 04:39 PM (iuMTE) 445
If you ever feel like you are going to hurt yourself, call me at 206-605-3428 or email me at bob.touchedbygracellc@gmail.com and I will get you some help.
Posted by: Sharkman at June 06, 2018 04:39 PM (k2Hcx) 446
Read the Tweets replying to Brit Hume's ! hahaha Progtards Love Trumps Hate
Posted by: Internet Tough Guy at June 06, 2018 04:39 PM (y3aQB) 447
Thanks Prof, I do. Some on this very board.
I pledged that if I can, I will help others the way they helped me. That is a good reason to keep fighting through all of this. Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at June 06, 2018 04:40 PM (G8hDY) 448
415 One of the worst things you can say to a depressive is that they have SO much, they are SO blessed, that being depressed or suicidal is irrational.
If anything, it makes it worse. Makes one think of oneself as even more of a failure for feeling depressed despite all of the material things. Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at June 06, 2018 04:28 PM (G8hDY) THIS. Exactly. Posted by: Captain Whitebread, World's Worst Superhero at June 06, 2018 04:33 PM (rJUlF) My sincerest apologies if I have ever uttered such ignorant words. Just know that you are loved and revered. Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at June 06, 2018 04:40 PM (5jVnA) 449
grammie, when you say paint all the rooms did you paint them one color are did you paint them with pictures/murals?
Also, have you Nutrageous yet? Posted by: Gumby @ CNN at June 06, 2018 04:40 PM (2LelM) 450
@156Mrs. DIG says folks who resist taking their meds basically don't like the feelings they have when they are on the meds. It doesn't feel 'normal' to them, so they resist.
------------------------ From what I've heard, people on those medications can feel that the emotions they're feeling are artificial. I've occasionally had instances in which I could feel my lack of sleep affecting my disposition, and I suspect what they experience is similar. Posted by: junior at June 06, 2018 04:40 PM (4kN7D) 451
417 Posted by: Notsothoreau at June 06, 2018 04:33 PM (Lqy/e) My brother was on Lithium for 30 years. The GP took him off because of some very minor kidney problems. After a six months in a psychiatric hospital, where they tried everything else, they put him back on lithium and he was out in a few weeks.There are *lots* of diseases due to different mineral deficiencies where the problem can be *either* not absorbing enough (digestive tract) *or* excreting too much (kidneys). Another example is copper. The disease is horrifying and hits about the beginning of adolescence.Every case is different. Posted by: Off the reservation at June 06, 2018 04:41 PM (vWMNq) 452
My cousin was on lithium for ten years. It's known
that it destroys kidney function. He switched to a new shrink who immediately took him off it. Posted by: Notsothoreau at June 06, 2018 04:33 PM (Lqy/e) =================== I've been on it for maybe 20 years or so. I get tested periodically, and have very happy kidneys. Posted by: grammie winger - at June 06, 2018 04:41 PM (lwiT4) 453
I'm a big believer in medication to combat mental illness, except it must be carefully watched until the patient him/herself feels stabilized.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Vigilance Committee supporter at June 06, 2018 04:36 PM (LISuA) You also have to keep in mind that most mental illnesses are not really illnesses (there are no clear physiological markers) but merely the assumptions made based on what is currently fashionable in personality traits. Just because someone says they're depressed doesn't mean that they have depression. People get "addicted" (for lack of a better word) to self-pity. It's a feeling that many people can easily fall prey to - evidence by the fact that so much of art and movies and books are built around self-pity. But that is not an actual illness, just a skewed personality. Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 06, 2018 04:41 PM (ZxqOz) 454
12, that is shocking, Zombie, hope it spreads. Quickly.
Posted by: the Butcher at June 06, 2018 04:41 PM (DIosY) 455
Special counsel Robert Mueller's team is requesting that witnesses
turn in their personal phones to inspect their encrypted messaging programs My reading is that the Mueller team previously examined these phones but screwed up, by only looking at text messages. They now have to go back and look at encrypted message apps (which are commonly used), which a competent investigator would have examined the first times they had the phones. Posted by: Huck Follywood, Vigilance Committee supporter at June 06, 2018 04:42 PM (LISuA) 456
should have dropped their phone in a toilet and then given it to him
Posted by: runner at June 06, 2018 04:42 PM (bUjCl) 457
Phyllis' rendition of "Old Friend" tore me up because it put me in mind of my buddy who died last year. And "Somewhere in my Lifetime". If you want to experience A Voice of the Century that no one knows about.
Posted by: kallisto at June 06, 2018 04:42 PM (bmii1) 458
423 OT, but Big Red on Drudge
Special counsel Robert Mueller's team is requesting that witnesses turn in their personal phones to inspect their encrypted messaging programs Special counsel Robert Mueller's team is asking witnesses to turn in their phones in order to access encrypted messaging applications, sources tell CNBC. Mueller's team has indicated it wants to examine private conversations on WhatsApp, Confide, Signal and Dust, sources say. Fearing a subpoena, the witnesses have complied with the request and have given over their phones. Shows you how much I use my mobile phone (it's always off), I have no idea what WhatsApp, Confide, Signal and Dust are. No clue. Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 06, 2018 04:35 PM (fceHP) Wikileaks released documents dretailing how our IC communities had technology to put things on computers and mobile devices that will trace back to a target country or individual. I don't trust that PoS Mueller. Dude, doesn't even know what WhatsApp even is. He probably can't even figure out the remote for his TV and DVD player. Posted by: Pickles at June 06, 2018 04:42 PM (72spU) 459
grammie, when you say paint all the rooms did you paint them one color are did you paint them with pictures/murals? Also, have you Nutrageous yet? Posted by: Gumby @ CNN at June 06, 2018 04:40 PM (2LelM) =================== Gahhh! I blame my meds! They have anti-Nutrageous side effects. Posted by: grammie winger - at June 06, 2018 04:42 PM (lwiT4) 460
Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 06, 2018 04:36 PM (9BLnV)
I respectfully disagree. I've seen medicines save people's lives. We know brains have something going wrong in them and spiritualty is not gonna fix it, anymore than it'll fix a broken spine. God is there to lean on and help, But I reject the rest of your arguments. I saw women with post partum depression who came back alive after SSRIs. They were their old selves, helped them care again for their baby, and it helped them get back to their old selves. If so eone is existing in limbo...they need a better doc. They are harder to find, so someone needs to help, but that should not be the best that can be done, unless there are additional illnesses. Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June 06, 2018 04:43 PM (8sZIF) 461
I think Mueller is maniacal and out of control....
Posted by: JoeF. at June 06, 2018 04:38 PM (y8Foj) They should have had some IT guy take a hammer to them. What could they say? Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 06, 2018 04:43 PM (fceHP) 462
Yeah, a grown up can easily igore/laugh at it. Hell, my 14 year old could. It's not that big a deal.
People have different strengths and weaknesses - some people have the neural pathways to deal with that kind of thing, and others don't. Everyone has deficiencies - none of us are islands complete unto ourselves. Having deficiencies doesn't mean there is something wrong with you - everyone has them - some just don't show to others, some do. Posted by: An Observation at June 06, 2018 04:43 PM (e0qb0) 463
This is a spiritual problem and can only be cured by spiritual means.
Posted by: Anonymous White Male at June 06, 2018 04:36 PM (9BLnV) Probably a good thing that you aren't my psychiatrist. Because that is a horseshit analysis. Sorry, for some folks, prescribing antidepressants is a death sentence, not because they don't work but because they do. When truly depressed, one often hasn't the energy to kill onesself. The antidepressants can give one the energy to do just that. Not every pill works for every situation. Neither are all of those who are diagnosed with depression well and truly ill. For many, the simply act of Confession and Absolution done frequently is enough to snap out of the funk. In those cases, it isn't truly clinical depression, cured by medication. Same thing for "talk therapy." Doesn't really help those with an actual imbalance of chemicals in the brain. For those of us who do not get better without the drugs, you are dead bang wrong. Period. Posted by: tcn in AK at June 06, 2018 04:44 PM (7UW64) 464
Funny thing is that the riders, when identified, seem to be mostly migrants ..."
Migrant... Amish? Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 06, 2018 04:44 PM (7LY+6) 465
As long as we're sharing anecdotes.
I've been diagnosed as clinically depressed. I feel for people who are suicidal, but I've never been suicidal. Even when I was a non-believer, I was too engaged in seeing what was around the corner, what I could learn, what I could figure out, how I could help others. I *contemplated* suicide one time, for about 20 minutes, I guess because resisting that commonality of what many, many depressives do just seemed to be rather incongruous with my classification as a depressive. With or without a faith in God, suicide has never seemed to make much sense to me--of course I wasn't bipolar, so I don't know what that's like. Still has a Christian, I see that as the work of the Holy Spirit, who has for some reason saved me from the that particular entanglement of the flesh. Again, I have to stress that I've had my blood drawn several times in my life and been diagnosed as clinically depressive. I've just been blessed (although I can't always see it) with an inclination to the mind and spirit. My brother, on the other hand--who has always impressed anybody who as seen us and my other brother together, would tend to guess that he was the oldest and the most down-to-earth and stable--is the only one in my family of depressives to kill himself. Posted by: Axeman at June 06, 2018 04:44 PM (vDqXW) 466
The other option is to put them in your car and drive them to the hospital. Sometimes that is the only option.
Posted by: tcn in AK at June 06, 2018 04:38 PM (7UW64) =============== You got that right. Posted by: grammie winger - at June 06, 2018 04:44 PM (lwiT4) 467
She broke the glass ceiling.
Posted by: gNewt at June 06, 2018 04:44 PM (B7u3j) 468
Time for a boobeh and bikini bridge thread and maybe a Chris Pratt and young Hue Jackman seperate thread for the ettes.
Posted by: Pickles at June 06, 2018 04:44 PM (72spU) 469
Heh. At one point, my then-future-ex-wife had me go see a pill-pusher for depression. The meds......worked. but I knew the underlying 'problem' was in fact a rational and healthy response to an untenable situation. Told the shrink that. He concurred. Meds left me 'flat,' and that was all. Just numbed me. Goes to show - there's depression and then there's depression.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Ask Me About SMR & Ancient Slavonaut Theory at June 06, 2018 04:45 PM (fA1SL) Posted by: Internet Tough Guy at June 06, 2018 04:45 PM (y3aQB) 471
Another point on the meds.
Doctors are doing the best they can, but the brain is very complex and there is more we do not know than what we know. It will take some time for meds to get dialed in, dosages figures, etc. Lexapro may work for one person, Welbutrin for another. Finding the patience to go through all that is hard. That is where the support system comes in to help you through the process. Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at June 06, 2018 04:45 PM (G8hDY) 472
My feeling on spiritual faith, mental health, and meds:
Pray to God and take your pills. God's way of healing you might be the detour to the pharmacist. Posted by: grammie winger - at June 06, 2018 04:47 PM (lwiT4) 473
She actually did an awful thing -- in her suicide note, she told her daughter "It's not YOUR fault - -but if you want to know why I did this, ask your father!"
Which makes the little daughter get involved in their marital problems at a terrible time. Bad thing to say in a suicide note. Posted by: zombie at June 06, 2018 03:28 PM (c+2jX) --- He'd moved out, apparently running for his life. For the last three years she was bipolar and fairly insane. Her problem was mental illness. Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at June 06, 2018 04:47 PM (wjrLK) 474
People have different strengths and weaknesses - some people have the neural pathways to deal with that kind of thing, and others don't.
= neural pathways develop, do they not ? so, if people never learn to deal with certain things, and instead numb their neorons with drugs, they never acquire the means, become dependent ? Posted by: runner at June 06, 2018 04:47 PM (bUjCl) 475
Mueller's team has indicated it wants to examine private conversations on WhatsApp, Confide, Signal and Dust, sources say.
Posted by: Pickles at June 06, 2018 04:42 PM (72spU) --- Herr Mueller's Stasi continues apace. Damn. Just think of how much the police could use these types of dragoon tactics to reduce crime on the streets! Posted by: Axeman at June 06, 2018 04:47 PM (vDqXW) 476
All depressives are different. I suspect it's not actually the depression in and of itself, it's that--as I said--it hijacks and warps the learning process, so you "learn" certain things badly, or just things that are false.
Medication is only a small, small part of the picture. You also have to unlearn so, so much. Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at June 06, 2018 04:47 PM (AM1GF) 477
*neurons
Posted by: runner at June 06, 2018 04:48 PM (bUjCl) 478
Didja see that this airliner got the absolute shit kicked out of it by hail over NM? I assume it was Democrat hail. No serious injuries but multiple pair of underwear will never be worn again.
https://bit.ly/2sy9VSz Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 06, 2018 04:48 PM (+y/Ru) 479
Is it possible that as society tries to make women into men to call them "equal", that women now face the same feelings of being overwhelmed that men always have?
My mom was a feminist decades ago. She said she wanted equal respect for the responsibilities that women had as the respect was for what men held as responsibilities. In other words, she felt maintaining a home and raising children was every bit as important (if not more) as gong to work and providing for the family. She felt like the division of labor was the beauty of the marital contract, where one was weak, the other was strong and vice-versa. What she disputed was the devaluation of the traditional female role. Years later, she said she was done with feminism. She said it had gone of track, that it's new aim was not to hold women's positions as equal, but rather to try to make a woman into a man. She argued that this was bad in a couple of ways: 1. It was forcing women into roles that they were not proficient at and that would put undo stress on women. 2. It was forcing society to change its expectations, particularly in male dominated fields which thereby led to diminished output by society. She said "I do not want to be a man, to be considered equal to a man. I want to be a woman and to be respected for what I do." As I watch the things she said years ago when I was a child unfold, I always think back to those discussions. She was extremely influential in my upbringing. So was my father. But they were formative in different but equal ways. Gender obfuscation has had a very negative effect on our world. We are trying to force round pegs into square holes. Witness STEM-pushing for girls like my daughter right now. The schools have noted my daughter's aptitude in science and mathmatics and tried to push me to supplement her in those directions. However, when I ask her if she wants to do those things or what she would like to do, she always rejects those areas and prefers more right-brain oriented activities. Why would I force her into pathways which she naturally abhors in order to meet some arbitrarily determined societal disparity. Is it possible that STEM fields are dominated by men because men naturally more inclined to be drawn into them through their own interests and perhaps biology? And is it possible that women are naturally drawn into empathic fields because that is what they are predisposed to enjoy? We need to reset this entire social engineering clusterf*ck. Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 06, 2018 04:48 PM (B6+JK) 480
Ignoring the Samantha Power bombshell"
What's the bombshell? Seriously. Who didn't know this since... Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 06, 2018 04:48 PM (7LY+6) 481
http://bit.ly/2JwelTL
===== Ignoring the Samantha Power bombshell Posted by: Internet Tough Guy at June 06, 2018 04:45 PM (y3aQB) absolutely the most corrupt administration in US history Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 06, 2018 04:48 PM (fceHP) 482
I remember having to drive my mother to the mental hospital. I'll remember that for the rest of my life. Leaving her there.... She was in psychotic paranoid state. When I came to visit the next day, she told me how they were making fun of her on the TV. The TV shows were making fun of her. Utterly bat-shit she was. No, that's not spiritual at all. That's the brain all out of whack. Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at June 06, 2018 04:48 PM (8O3HH) 483
The people who are depressed and angry will remain depressed until they can find a way to let go of that anger. Of course easier said than done.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at June 06, 2018 04:48 PM (y1gYQ) Posted by: JAS at June 06, 2018 04:49 PM (3HNOQ) 485
465
As long as we're sharing anecdotes. I thought quite a lot about suicide between the ages of 11 and 13. Not actually killing myself but trying to decide whether it was a reasonable option. But then it struck me that it is a very permanent "solution" to any problem and that however bad things might get they could get better or could be worse. I still know that I *could* kill myself if I wanted but I've not been inclined since. Fortunately, I missed out on the family illness ... but not all of them ... however, varicose veins are just inconvenient. Posted by: Off the reservation at June 06, 2018 04:49 PM (vWMNq) 486
life is a difficult thing; destruction of nuclear family probably contributed to peoples' problems greatly
Posted by: runner at June 06, 2018 04:49 PM (bUjCl) 487
I'm too lazy to be bi-polar.
Posted by: Archer at June 06, 2018 04:49 PM (gmo/4) 488
"One of the worst things you can say to a depressive is that they have SO
much, they are SO blessed, that being depressed or suicidal is irrational." I don't counsel or anything, but recall learning that "minimalizing" the person's perceived problem is the wrong tactic. It may seem small to you, and it may be small compared to other things ... but at the least it is the surface indicator to finding what is a very real problem. So better to take them at their word ... "yeah, well that can be a real problem, let's work on some possible steps toward a solution". Posted by: illiniwek at June 06, 2018 04:50 PM (bT8Z4) 489
Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at June 06, 2018 04:45 PM (G8hDY)
There's also a lot of crappy docs. If your doc is good, he'll keep trying to find the right "cocktail" of medicines to help you. My sister read a book on this, because she is dying, and because she is dying, and there is no cure, she has also become depressed. So I'm trying to work with her on that, so I've been learning more. I gotta find the book name and author. He ended up getting help from some other kind of doc. Gotta find it. Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June 06, 2018 04:50 PM (8sZIF) Posted by: Hulk Hogan at June 06, 2018 04:51 PM (rwaEp) 491
http://bit.ly/2JwelTL
===== Ignoring the Samantha Power bombshell Posted by: Internet Tough Guy ---------- Now, today, all the magazine exposes are meaningless. We know what they did and we know that they did more than we know. We know there should be trials and convictions but instead we get leaks, tweaks, and rumors. Posted by: gNewt at June 06, 2018 04:51 PM (B7u3j) 492
He'd moved out, apparently running for his life. For the last three years she was bipolar and fairly insane. Her problem was mental illness.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at June 06, 2018 04:47 PM (wjrLK) Phil Hartman not so fortunate. Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at June 06, 2018 04:51 PM (y1gYQ) 493
"neural pathways develop, do they not ? so, if people never learn to deal with certain things, and instead numb their neorons with drugs, they never acquire the means, become dependent ?"
Take everything you thought you had correct there, and then try to understand you have it all wrong. Posted by: Trigeminal Neuralgia sufferer at June 06, 2018 04:52 PM (cOANc) 494
I'm bi-polar. My dad's bi-polar. My granddad was bi-polar (they didn't call it that then)
I have Lupus, my grandmother had Lupus, and my aunt had Lupus. Also my other grandmother. There's something to be said for genetics. It's can't all be a fluke. Posted by: grammie winger - at June 06, 2018 04:52 PM (lwiT4) 495
I'm too lazy to be bi-polar."
Heh. I'm kinda that way too. Family has said I'm like a duck (in that stuff sorta just rolls off, not that I waddle around, quacking. Sort of...). Just means I'm a really bad one to ask for advice... Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 06, 2018 04:52 PM (7LY+6) 496
Medication is only a small, small part of the picture. You also have to unlearn so, so much.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at June 06, 2018 04:47 PM (AM1GF) Yes, but if the brain (hardware) is corrupted, then it doesn't matter how good the learning program (software) is, because it'll be distorted, twisted, worthless. That's why studies show depressives to best with medicine and talk therapy. Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June 06, 2018 04:54 PM (8sZIF) 497
Take everything you thought you had correct there, and then try to understand you have it all wrong.
Posted by: Trigeminal Neuralgia sufferer at June 06, 2018 04:52 PM (cOANc) why should I ? Posted by: runner at June 06, 2018 04:54 PM (bUjCl) 498
I love love love Kate Spade shoes and handbags but they cost too much.
Posted by: kallisto at June 06, 2018 04:54 PM (bmii1) 499
494 There's something to be said for genetics. It's can't all be a fluke.
We had a friend with severe lupus. She eventually got well enough to function and ran off to Bermuda (we lost track of her after that). But much of the damage is permanent. Posted by: Off the reservation at June 06, 2018 04:54 PM (vWMNq) 500
484 I am old enough to remember when suicide was a mortal sin.
Posted by: JAS at June 06, 2018 04:49 PM (3HNOQ) Still is, if you are of competent mental faculty when you do it. Mortal sin requires three things: knowledge that the act is a sin, grave matter (it's not a little thing), and full consent of the will, which requires you to be of sound mind when doing so and not be coerced. Usually, those who are mentally ill do not have the final requirement. Ergo, not a mortal sin. You can't be held accountable for something you just cannot avoid. Posted by: tcn in AK at June 06, 2018 04:55 PM (7UW64) 501
Take everything you thought you had correct there, and then try to understand you have it all wrong.
Posted by: Trigeminal Neuralgia sufferer at June 06, 2018 04:52 PM (cOANc) What does Trigeminal Neuralgia have to do with the general working of the brain and the concept of the mind and drugging people to high heaven based on ill-defined symptoms with pretty much no physiological determination, at all? Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 06, 2018 04:55 PM (ZxqOz) 502
I'm kinda that way too. Family has said I'm like a
duck (in that stuff sorta just rolls off, ...). Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 06, 2018 04:52 PM (7LY+6) Ha! I sometimes say something similar: "Be a mallard." i.e. let it roll off your back like water of a duck... Be a mallard! Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 06, 2018 04:56 PM (8iiMU) 503
I'm bi-polar. My dad's bi-polar. My granddad was bi-polar (they didn't call it that then)
I have Lupus, my grandmother had Lupus, and my aunt had Lupus. Also my other grandmother. There's something to be said for genetics. It's can't all be a fluke. Posted by: grammie winger - at June 06, 2018 04:52 PM (lwiT4) That's definitely genetics. They know if someone is schizophrenic or bi-polar it is the family genes somewhere. They believe it to be the same with Clinical Depression, vs. regualr depression. Whether one person gets and one person doesn't has to do with some randomness. Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June 06, 2018 04:56 PM (8sZIF) 504
I'm kinda that way too. Family has said I'm like a duck (in that stuff sorta just rolls off, not that I waddle around, quacking. Sort of...).
Just means I'm a really bad one to ask for advice... Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 06, 2018 04:52 PM (7LY+6) Wait. If you are a moron in good standing, are you sure the word they used started with a d? Posted by: tcn in AK at June 06, 2018 04:57 PM (7UW64) 505
there are people who have serious problems, but the pool of people suddenly qualifying for medication and treatment expanded proportionately to big pharma's and big insurance's expansion and hold over the health system
Posted by: runner at June 06, 2018 04:57 PM (bUjCl) 506
Take everything you thought you had correct there, and then try to understand you have it all wrong.
Posted by: Trigeminal Neuralgia sufferer at June 06, 2018 04:52 PM (cOANc) What does Trigeminal Neuralgia have to do with the general working of the brain and the concept of the mind and drugging people to high heaven based on ill-defined symptoms with pretty much no physiological determination, at all? Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 06, 2018 04:55 PM (ZxqOz) it does not Posted by: runner at June 06, 2018 04:58 PM (bUjCl) 507
Prof, I am sorry to hear of your sister and her troubles. That is a really horrible thing for her to go through.
Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at June 06, 2018 04:58 PM (G8hDY) 508
IMHO. Suicide is one of the most selfish and self-centered acts a person can do with very very few exceptions.
Posted by: Soona at June 06, 2018 04:59 PM (Fs5vw) 509
I am old enough to remember when suicide was a mortal sin.
Posted by: JAS at June 06, 2018 04:49 PM (3HNOQ) In the Catholic Church yes, not sure it is true in Protestant religions. Also, I think it used to be against the law. Not sure it is anymore. Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June 06, 2018 04:59 PM (8sZIF) 510
We need to reset this entire social engineering clusterf*ck.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 06, 2018 04:48 PM (B6+JK) --- We've allowed the left to bait-and-switch us to hell. Their reasoning on "gender" is excessively sloppy. I've on numerous occasions accepted arguendo (i.e. for the sake of argument) that gender is a "social convention". And then they say "love wins" as if the entire thing that we could call "love" isn't some characterization of actions and feelings in a social sphere. In addition the genders have had contributions and input from uncountable numbers of people and generation to get where they are. If that's *what* genders are--then you cannot say in the next breath that *YOU* have a gender that few, if any have worked on. Also you can't say that "gender" is a construct in the arena of societal conversation, and then say *hidden* gender that only I know *totally* inside myself away from society--and society has to start using my made-up pronouns. Yet, people in this day and age, can swallow all that. Posted by: Axeman at June 06, 2018 04:59 PM (vDqXW) 511
does it ? Neuralgia is nerve damage, headaches etc. has nothing to do with perception or cognition ?
Posted by: runner at June 06, 2018 05:00 PM (bUjCl) 512
Patrick Bateman used a unique method.
Posted by: Pickles at June 06, 2018 05:00 PM (72spU) Posted by: Idiot Leftist Totalitarian at June 06, 2018 05:00 PM (8iiMU) 514
There are no drugs in the NOOD!
Posted by: gNewt at June 06, 2018 05:00 PM (B7u3j) 515
They know if someone is schizophrenic or bi-polar it is the family genes somewhere. They believe it to be the same with Clinical Depression, vs. regualr depression. Whether one person gets and one person doesn't has to do with some randomness.
Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June 06, 2018 04:56 PM (8sZIF) My dad's cousins (two of them) were artists and architects. He asked me, in all seriousness, since I am also an artist and an architect, if there is something in the wiring of the creative mind that leads to suicide. Both cousins killed themselves, and I made a good run at it myself. Of course there is a genetic component, particularly with the sort of depression that responds to medication or electro-shock. He was convinced it had to do with the parts that led to opposite brain thinking. He himself is an engineer, so different side of the brain, and always a pretty happy guy. He felt he had no insight into the issue, but he loved his cousins and he obviously loves me. Posted by: tcn in AK at June 06, 2018 05:00 PM (7UW64) 516
Also, I think it used to be against the law. Not sure it is anymore.
Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June 06, 2018 04:59 PM (8sZIF) Technically, only *attempted* suicide was illegal. Posted by: Off the reservation at June 06, 2018 05:00 PM (vWMNq) 517
Yes, but if the brain (hardware) is corrupted, then it doesn't matter how good the learning program (software) is, because it'll be distorted, twisted, worthless. That's why studies show depressives to best with medicine and talk therapy.
Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel Which is exactly what I was saying...the meds clear the fog so you can deal with the rest of the problems properly. Lots of people only do half if it. I don't know if they're just looking for an easy resolution or they just don't understand how complex it is. A bit of both, maybe. Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at June 06, 2018 05:00 PM (AM1GF) 518
IMHO. Suicide is one of the most selfish and self-centered acts a person can do with very very few exceptions.
Posted by: Soona at June 06, 2018 04:59 PM (Fs5vw) It's up there. Masturbation still holds the title, though. Of course, monkeys have been known, upon discovering it, to masturbate themselves to death. Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 06, 2018 05:01 PM (ZxqOz) Posted by: Internet Tough Guy at June 06, 2018 05:02 PM (y3aQB) 520
Wait. If you are a moron in good standing, are you sure the word they used started with a d?
Posted by: tcn in AK I might have focused on the "u". Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at June 06, 2018 05:02 PM (AM1GF) 521
And then they say "love wins" as if the entire thing that we could call "love" isn't some characterization of actions and feelings in a social sphere.
Posted by: Axeman I always believed that "love" is a hormonal reaction to the drive to reproduce. Posted by: wrg500 now posting from his bunker at June 06, 2018 05:02 PM (Bdeb0) 522
neural pathways develop, do they not ? so, if people never learn to deal
with certain things, and instead numb their neorons with drugs, they never acquire the means, become dependent ? Within limits. Suppose that your life depended on your ability to design a computer. If you are like 99.99999% of humanity you will - I'm sorry - never be able to develop the neural pathways to do that. Why? because the fundamental structure of your brain does not work in the way that allows it. If you don't have the structures in your brain that allow you to fly an airplane, you won't be able to form them - 99% of people don't have those structures. So no, there are people for whom problems - which most people have no problem solving - are intractable. Nothing "wrong" with them, their brains just can't handle certain types of situations. One in about 5000 people can't play Simon says; they can't translate verbal orders into physical body movements. Nothing wrong with that until they get arrested and then get shot for not obeying orders that they literally can't understand. Posted by: An Observation at June 06, 2018 05:03 PM (e0qb0) 523
Prof, I am sorry to hear of your sister and her troubles. That is a really horrible thing for her to go through.
Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at June 06, 2018 04:58 PM (G8hDY) Thank you. It's why I'm trying to learn so much. I more afraid of the depression right now...bcz I can understand it telling her to end it. It would destroy me to lose her. But I have only so much power. So I don't talk about it a lot bcz I need to stay up and unclouded so I can be there for her. I only mention when it gives some context to something. Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June 06, 2018 05:04 PM (8sZIF) 524
My mother was bi-polar and no one in my family had the guts to force her to take her medications. She would fly into huge, meteoric rages, and best the crap out of me and my brother. We learned her signals and took to hiding in our house. Luckily we had a huge old house with many hidey holes. To everyone outside of the family she was an amazing, accomplished woman. She had a wonderful career and the perfect family. To us she was a demon.
I dont know, but Kate Spade probably had many demons in her mind. Bi-polar depression is horrible. I hope her family finds peace. Posted by: Abby at June 06, 2018 05:05 PM (dqXkk) 525
What's the bombshell?
Seriously. Who didn't know this since... Posted by: Anon a mouse at June lol, definitely not worth the read. Posted by: yankeefifth at June 06, 2018 05:05 PM (MTjB1) 526
I'm sorry I missed this thread and will go back and read it when I have time. Our 16 year old granddaughter has threatened suicide several times. She's in her 3rd year of treatment by a psychologist and is completing a 6 weeks therapy session as an outpatient. Not sure if any of this has helped.
It's so sad. Posted by: never enough caffeine at June 06, 2018 05:06 PM (N3JsI) 527
i'm sad about this.....i am a fan girl that owns several of her bags and wallets.....i'm sad for her daughter who is now forever affected by her selfishness....the note apparently told the kid it wasn't her fault "ask your dad".....was pretty messed up imho....
Posted by: phoenixgirl at June 06, 2018 05:07 PM (0O7c5) 528
Which is exactly what I was saying...the meds clear the fog so you can deal with the rest of the problems properly.
Lots of people only do half if it. I don't know if they're just looking for an easy resolution or they just don't understand how complex it is. A bit of both, maybe. Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. I think there are some really bad therapists out there that use the same techniques on everyone. I think it is important to find one skilled in a specific area. Just like you wouldn't go to an eye doc for a gouty toe, don't go to an anxiety focused therapist for bi-polar. JMO. Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June 06, 2018 05:08 PM (8sZIF) 529
Abby - Sadly, you're story is not unfamiliar to me. Take heart. You made it.
Posted by: grammie winger - at June 06, 2018 05:08 PM (lwiT4) 530
45 I think about suicide all the time, the only reason I don't buy the farm
is because I don't want my parents to suffer. But once they go, I'm out as well. Froderick, this made me sad to read. I hope your parents have many more years, and during this time you will have a change of heart. You are a kind and loving son, and there is a great need for people like you on this earth. Posted by: MoKim at June 06, 2018 05:08 PM (2oIze) 531
I thought quite a lot about suicide between the ages of 11 and 13. Not actually killing myself but trying to decide whether it was a reasonable option. But then it struck me that it is a very permanent "solution" to any problem and that however bad things might get they could get better or could be worse. I still know that I *could* kill myself if I wanted but I've not been inclined since.
Fortunately, I missed out on the family illness ... but not all of them ... however, varicose veins are just inconvenient. Posted by: Off the reservation at June 06, 2018 04:49 PM (vWMNq) I do not understand people who jump to there death from high places. I know if I were ever driven to the point where I would actually jump, I just know I would change my mind halfway down. Posted by: Soona at June 06, 2018 05:09 PM (Fs5vw) 532
Posted by: never enough caffeine at June 06, 2018 05:06 PM (N3JsI)
So sorry (((hugs))). I hope it helps her. Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June 06, 2018 05:09 PM (8sZIF) 533
Posted by: never enough caffeine at June 06, 2018 05:06 PM (N3JsI)
==================== I'm so sorry. It must be heartbreaking to watch your granddaughter suffer like this. Long term inpatient or outpatient can be a very good thing. Posted by: grammie winger - at June 06, 2018 05:10 PM (lwiT4) 534
Perhaps there are just two most useful of all potential genders? What about that?
On the flip side I have a lot of compassion for boys who don't feel that the stereotype of a boy fits them, or girls who also feel that. One of the nuns at my Catholic high school had whiskers like Popeye. Her ability to fit into the ideal gender stereotype did not define her femininity. And femininity wasn't as much anyway as her service to God and the kids she had been entrusted to educate. We suffer--including myself--from acute narcissism. We are not happy to be as attractive as we are, or whatever shape or whatever we were made. No, we disrespect what God has made us. We only want to be the ideal form of whatever stereotype idol lives in our heads. It's NO FAIR that we can't fit into that extreme stereotype--especially if we can see somebody before us who resembles what we should be like better than we do! So we throw ourselves down because it's NO FAIR! Many of us, and I include myself, are vanity wannabes. The frustration with fitting into the stereotype, IMO, is what has created the sort of rebellion against the system of stereotypes. That's why how much you "feel like" or "identify" takes center place these days. But this is where trans-women learn that "feeling like" a woman doesn't make you the epicenter of the female stereotype either. Posted by: Axeman at June 06, 2018 05:12 PM (vDqXW) Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June 06, 2018 05:12 PM (8sZIF) 536
359 62
This reminded me of a piece I once read about survivors who had jumped off of the Golden Gate Bridge. One of them said that the moment he jumped, he had a moment of clarity - ALL of the problems in his life were solvable, EXCEPT having just jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge! He was blessed to be given a second chance. Posted by: Formerly known as Skeptic at June 06, 2018 04:22 PM (91XRk) I've seen it online--or something very like it. It's a great point. Posted by: m at June 06, 2018 05:13 PM (0bRDi) 537
394 My cousin just cremated his body and put the box in the garage where he killed himself. No funeral, no wake, no nothing - -she didn't even tell his family back east. Just continued flirting with guys online, as if nothing had happened. She hated him, apparently.
Posted by: zombie at June 06, 2018 04:16 PM (c+2jX) -------------- Holy crap. Posted by: reason at June 06, 2018 04:29 PM (l2max) My reaction also. Posted by: clutch at June 06, 2018 05:13 PM (ju1KL) 538
526 ... Our 16 year old granddaughter has threatened suicide several times. ...
Posted by: never enough caffeine at June 06, 2018 05:06 PM (N3JsI) Sorry to read this. My cousin (on my mother's side) shot himself. He had been depressed at Uni and was home for christmas. My uncle thought he was ok and went out for a few hours. In some cases there's nothing anyone can do but often when someone *threatens* suicide, they really want attention. Good luck. Posted by: Off the reservation at June 06, 2018 05:13 PM (vWMNq) 539
Just do what you gotta' do for you.
I don't take pills ... but shit, screw the lithium - eat a fucking car battery if you need to. Whatever. Here's a secret - write this shit down. I ain't fucking around on this. "Sane" is just another one of those stupid damn short words, used by ass-holes, to try to get YOU to act the way THEY want. Most of your day-to-day interactions are some variation of that. Including here. Posted by: ScoggDog at June 06, 2018 05:15 PM (Gzt/W) 540
Would bet high in carbs sugars.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 06, 2018 04:28 PM (bKPAB) Nope, actually low, but not non-existent. Posted by: dagny at June 06, 2018 05:18 PM (nRWPy) 541
Posted by: Axeman at June 06, 2018 04:44 PM (vDqXW)
I think I've missed a lot of posts. I'm sorry for the loss of your brother Axeman. I'm sooooo glad you have not followed the same plan. Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June 06, 2018 05:22 PM (8sZIF) 542
Posted by: Axeman
I always believed that "love" is a hormonal reaction to the drive to reproduce. Posted by: wrg500 now posting from his bunker at June 06, 2018 05:02 PM (Bdeb0) --- That makes sense in a reductionistic model. But I've heard that much more behaviorally--it's an addition to somebody's saliva. (My wife always HATES it when I make any mention of this ) In that case, it's like saying that for a fetus "pushing wins"--yes, but only where there's a birth canal! The reductionistic model makes what they are *trying* to say a farce. But the reductionistic model IS the one a "Party of Science" should be pushing, isn't it? Otherwise, where's the Science to it? However, we can imagine that this physical affection and attraction one has toward an actual mate, can be expressed in different ways in different individuals. Thus, the impetus to "love" is not simply oriented toward reproduction, it can be enjoyed by non-reproductive activities as well. However, the bond is still expressed in a social context. Wedding cakes are an example of the trappings of the social expression of "love". But if society is flat-wrong about the genders that countless people have constructed age after age, why can't it be wrong about wedding cakes? Which are just social conventions? Posted by: Axeman at June 06, 2018 05:24 PM (vDqXW) 543
In some cases there's nothing anyone can do but often when someone *threatens* suicide, they really want attention.
And sometimes it is a call for help. If it was someone close to me, I'd look into it further. Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June 06, 2018 05:26 PM (8sZIF) 544
Bumped
445 If you ever feel like you are going to hurt yourself, call me at 206-605-3428 or email me at bob.touchedbygracellc@gmail.com and I will get you some help. Posted by: Sharkman at June 06, 2018 04:39 PM (k2Hcx) *sniffles* That is just so...well...a bright light shines in a dark world. Who knew Sharkmen wore capes? Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June 06, 2018 05:36 PM (8sZIF) 545
Can't really catch up with 500 comments, but wrt to suicide and young women; in contending with this in our own home, it was astounding to me to discover that psychiatrists are essentially guessing when they medicate, and the basis for continuing or adjusting medication seems to rely 100% on the feedback from the patient.
And that much of the medication is as likely to make you feel more suicidal as it is to make you less. That's not to say I'm completely down on medication or that I can't appreciate the difficulty in working with chemical imbalances and brain disorders. But we sure have a long way to go and lots to figure out in that department. Posted by: TexasDan at June 06, 2018 05:37 PM (yL25O) 546
I think I've missed a lot of posts. I'm sorry for the loss of your brother Axeman. I'm sooooo glad you have not followed the same plan.
Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June 06, 2018 05:22 PM (8sZIF) --- It hurt like anything years ago when it happened. Now, it's a sad day out of the year, that I simply stop and realize the time--it will be 15 years later this month. He was my favorite guy in all the earth. I realized that however fair for anybody else, the Lord had shielded me from that type of pain for my entire life. My brother was the first time I lost *anybody* close to me. So think about that, I had never lost anybody dear, I had never really contemplated killing myself, I was healthy--never broke a bone in my body (still haven't, cartilage in my nose, boxing), never spent much time in the hospital--and as a late-teen-into-20s I was angry and *hated* God, because I wasn't willing to put the work into faith. Posted by: Axeman at June 06, 2018 05:38 PM (vDqXW) Posted by: Off the reservation at June 06, 2018 05:40 PM (vWMNq) 548
62 Suicide of any type is senseless. Suicide of a very rich middle aged woman is beyond stupid. She had all the FU money in the world. None of her problems were unsolvable. She had the world in the palm of her hand. SAD! Saying that I will now say she was a selfish twat. WTF she had a 13 yo daughter to take care of and love despite her marital problems. Fuck her and the horse sh rode in on.
Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ None of that makes things better for one who's brain doesn't work right. Mental illness is very real and no respecter of persons. All the good intentions and will power in the world can't fix it! And mentally healthy individuals do not kill themselves because "problems" - solvable or not. Posted by: Roozter at June 06, 2018 05:42 PM (lEynA) 549
I think the sexual revolution plays a large part in the increase in women's suicide rates.
The sexual revolution tells women to literally behave totally contrary to their nature: which is to only engage in a safe, committed sexual relationship. Promiscuity introduces incredible stress and sadness into women's lives. And in telling women to behave like a man sexually, women have sacrificed ALL power they had in relationships. Also a huge source of depression for women. Posted by: JJTownsend1977 at June 06, 2018 05:47 PM (EHt8N) 550
Yes, suicide rates... or rather - suicide AND overdose rates - are increasing for women, especially middle-aged women (aka my category)
That said, the highest suicide rates are for old men: http://stump.marypat.org/article/781/mortality-monday-suicide-rates Everybody pays attention to child/teen suicide, because it's a top -cause- for death in that group... but very little kills people in that group. People don't pay attention to the suicides of elderly men, because... they're extraneous. But let's look at the suicide rates for middle-aged women... those rates are LOWER than males age 15-24. So yes, while it's sad that female suicide rates are increasing, they are still much lower than that for males. As in male suicide rates are over 3x higher than female suicide rates. So. Yes. Could we put a little attention on men in this respect? Because the stats are awful. Posted by: meep at June 06, 2018 05:55 PM (u4FAj) 551
@Joncelli...I think I am remembering your post correctly, but I can't find it. I wanted to tell you I am so glad you won those battles. So glad. Keep fighting the war. And see Sharkman's post at 544.
Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June 06, 2018 06:07 PM (8sZIF) 552
my go-to reason for everything: Society is undergoing the most profound
social experiment in history -- shifting the main locus of where life is lived from the real world to a cyber simulacrum Respect the daylights out of your political insights and sources, but sorry: the above is merely surface-cruising. In the US, belief in God--that is, a thoroughgoing belief in the entire economy of salvation--is extinct across large segments of the population. You propose that the "cyber" revolution is different in kind and degree from the TV revolution of the '50's/'60's or the preceding 'radio' revolution of the '30's/'40's. Really? I don't think so; vicarious living is the same regardless of mode. Suicide is arrogating the rights of God over life to oneself; it is the ultimate selfishness and for centuries, suicides were NOT buried in the town cemetery because of their irruption of right order. Posted by: dad29 at June 06, 2018 06:08 PM (7Kti7) 553
Insomniac, if you are reading this thread, I am saying for the 700th time we all miss you. I would like to see you bring your little self and your Eeyore tail back to us and begin posting again.
I'm sorry about what is going on with your family, but I think it was something else that waved you off, so I'm waving you back on. You NEED us. Blech. I'm sounding all gooey. I considered trying to guilt you back on...but I don't roll that way. I considering threatening an ass whooping, but I don't live close enough to you. But your absence is starting to chafe my hide. I must be watching cowboy movies to come up with that line. Alrighty then. Adios. Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at June 06, 2018 06:18 PM (8sZIF) 554
Mrs. DIG says folks who resist taking their meds basically don't like the feelings they have when they are on the meds. It doesn't feel 'normal' to them, so they resist.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 06, 2018 03:52 PM My cousin is bipolar. He's a year older than me (I am 42). About 15 years ago, his wife had to commit him to a hospital for his own good, because he was not taking his medication. I drove home to see him in the hospital (I live out of state), since we're more like brothers and his wife said he could use some cheering up (not many were coming to see him, because the felt 'uncomfortable'). He told me that the reason he didn't like taking his medication was because he felt 'weak'. Like less of a man. All his life, he's been in control of himself and confident. He's always been the one to excel in his life and help others out. But now here he was dependent on pills to be 'normal'. He said it crushed him, especially since he felt people looked at him differently. We had a lot of good talks while I was in town where I assured him that him taking the pills did not mean he was weak, but rather the opposite: it meant he was strong enough to deal with the situation and work to make his life better. Today he is much, much better. A lot of the issues, in my opinion, for those who suffer from depression or bipolar, etc., is lack of support from those around them. My cousin turned around quickly when he realized he had a number of people around him who loved him and would be there for him, even at his worst moment. I have suffered from depression in my life as well and the biggest danger is when you get lost in your own mind of bad thoughts and have no one around you to snap you out of it. It's a feeling of drowning... or like being crushed under an avalanche. It's overwhelming. And then feels like things just keep compounding and getting worse and you only have the bad thoughts in your own mind to keep you company. I would bet that numerous suicides could be prevented if only people around the person saw the warning signs sooner and reached out. Easier said than done, I know. Some, sadly, are unavoidable. But some, like my cousin, just needed some reassurance that he was not alone and that all the bad thoughts and assumptions in his head (ie everyone thought he was weak and no one cared about him) were not true. Posted by: Clyde Shelton at June 06, 2018 10:24 PM (7A4qQ) 555
Ages 45-65 when women were traditionally becoming grandmothers to distract them from the fact their bodies were falling apart and they were on the long unpleasant slide to a dirt nap. I wonder how many of the women who suicide have children and of those how many have grandchildren? I bet the none reproductive ones correlate heavily with suicide.
Posted by: M at June 06, 2018 11:13 PM (kjKrW) 556
Several possible causes:
1) Women are now increasingly more responsible for a more significant portion of income for survival, traditionally the pressure shouldered by men. As such, they must now also burden themselves with the additional pressures work life imposes. 2) The great decoupling has been going on for decades now. Society has been moving toward removing the reliance of being in a stable long term relationship to that of a more puerile impulsive single life. Partners are now seen as disposable. Divorce is easy as ever. Government 'safety' nets have been set up to support single mothers, favor custody towards mothers, subsidies for housing, food etc., all of which remove the need for the family unit. As such, women lose an element of stability. They lose a partner in the fight, a confidant, an ally. They lose cost sharing. All of this adds to the everyday pressure of life which will wear on her psyche. 3) With the Sex in the City culture, women may also be experiencing depression later in life when they are no longer getting all the attention they did when they were more attractive. Not many men will sign up for a relationship for someone so flighty because their past behavior screams out that she will simply move on once that itch has been scratched and her nostalgia kicks in. Men are more likely to look for the few who are younger, who have not chosen this path and don't have the associated baggage. I expect the gap to close even more in the next few decades as we follow the path cut by our friends across the pond who are well down the road... Posted by: Sarzan at June 07, 2018 07:04 AM (WDCYi) Processing 0.09, elapsed 0.1068 seconds. |
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