Feminist: We Must Protect The Concept of Feminism From "Conservative Appropriation"

According to the New York Times' Jessica Valenti, conservative women cannot use the term "feminist" because their beliefs do no match up with hers nor in her mind help women. In today's edition of NYT, Valenti says:

"Now, we have a different task: protecting the movement against conservative appropriation. We’ve come too far to allow the right to water down a well-defined movement for its own cynical gains. Because if feminism means applauding 'anything a woman does' -- even hurting other women -- then it means nothing."
Valenti basically says that feminists wrongly led others to believe in a version of feminism that was separate from the truth. It does not simply mean equal treatment under the law or in the work place. Instead it means believing in ideals that ascertain only to the left. Because, according to Valenti, those ideals are what truly help women.

This is due to the leftwing feminists' dishonest use of the "Motte and Bailey" tactic in propaganda.

The Motte and Bailey tactic uses as its central metaphor a medieval castle. There are two main areas of it: the bailey, the useful but poorly defended area around the castle that must be defended, and the motte, the tower fortification itself, small but designed to resist assault.

The idea is that dishonest propagandists, such as feminists, will define "feminism" in two different versions: the Motte version, and the Bailey version.

The Motte version is the most defensible definition of feminism: that women are social and legal equals to men and should suffer no man-made impediments to their own pursuits of happiness.

Hard to argue against that -- that's why it's the Motte. The peasantry retreats to the well-defended Motte when the area is under attack.

But feminists also deploy a Bailey definition of feminism: That feminism means that we must have abortion on demand and that there may be no dissent about this, that the Wage Gap which doesn't exist must be eradicated by government action, that rape does not need to be proved by evidence, that some people with penises are actually women if they say they are, and so on.

Now, this terrain is harder to defend. This is the outlying area around the Motte -- the Bailey. Feminists really intend feminism to mean this series of dubious and fringe ideas, but when you call them on it, they retreat to the Motte and say, "But Feminism only means that women should be social and legal equals; how can you disagree with that, YOU HATER?!!!"

When this tactic has the effect desired-- that you back down and apologize -- they flow back out of the Motte into the surrounding Bailey and again begin making claims that any woman who doesn't believe in the left's bizarre list of Sex War agenda items is not really a woman, etc.

And then when you push against that again, they rush back into the Motte and insist again that feminism only means that women shouldn't be raped, etc.

And so on, and so on, lying forever.

If Jessica Valenti is concerned that many conservative women believe they're "feminists," that's because she and her dishonest allies are always playing this game of changing the definition of what "feminism" means according to whether they're on the rhetorical defense or rhetorical attack.

Maybe they should stick to one definition -- the crazed one they all obviously really believe in -- and push that as what "Feminism" really is, and let people if decide if they are feminists by that single definition.

But they won't. They'll keep playing Motte and Bailey games and then getting mad when conservative women say they're "feminists," according to the highly defensible "Motte definition" of feminism, selectively choosing when feminism requires the full Sex War litany of cultural demands and fringe obsessions.

Motte and Bailey Illustrated, from Oregon Muse: Neat post.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 12:38 PM

Comments

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1 Feminism means getting your way on all things, all the time.

Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at May 23, 2018 12:31 PM (2NqXo)

2 Grey, it is...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 23, 2018 12:31 PM (7LY+6)

3 Something

Posted by: REDACTED at May 23, 2018 12:31 PM (Ymy4N)

4 That is a real pile of stupid, there, Jessica.

Posted by: kraken at May 23, 2018 12:31 PM (zSVEm)

5 Nicely played, Ace.

Posted by: garrett at May 23, 2018 12:31 PM (KereL)

6 help! I'm boxed in

Posted by: Rick in SK at May 23, 2018 12:32 PM (FZYNt)

7 Or is it Gray?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 23, 2018 12:32 PM (7LY+6)

8 Feminism is social Marxism, always has been.

Posted by: Former spartan Fan at May 23, 2018 12:32 PM (fMfXq)

9 Feminists are CRAZY, so you can have that term, OK?

Posted by: Lizzy at May 23, 2018 12:32 PM (W+vEI)

10 2nd look at Purdah?

Posted by: Hikaru at May 23, 2018 12:32 PM (WDCYi)

11 their beliefs do no match up with hers nor in her mind
=====

I think I see the problem here.

Posted by: Bicentennialguy at May 23, 2018 12:33 PM (K5VZP)

12 Black people cannot be racist.... Conservative women cannot be feminists... wonderful symmetry..

Posted by: kraken at May 23, 2018 12:33 PM (zSVEm)

13 slate star codex is good stuff.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at May 23, 2018 12:33 PM (XO+cO)

14 That's what all the Meghan Markle fans were saying, on her wedding day. In her case it's all about disrupting 1,000 years of tradition in order to do what you want to do, because you're an empowered feminist.

Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at May 23, 2018 12:33 PM (2NqXo)

15 Fuck you Feminists!

Posted by: Faith Goldy and Tomi Lahren at May 23, 2018 12:33 PM (FZYNt)

16 Motte -- the Bailey.

What the Hoople is she babbling about?

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at May 23, 2018 12:33 PM (pxOl8)

17 How many shades of Grey are there?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 23, 2018 12:33 PM (7LY+6)

18 I think we're in the Bailey.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at May 23, 2018 12:33 PM (XO+cO)

19 Sigh. He's learned nothing.

Posted by: The HTML Academy at May 23, 2018 12:33 PM (vtcmf)

20 I saw Sex War Litany open for Berlin at the Orpheus in 83.

Posted by: blaster at May 23, 2018 12:33 PM (Z5y53)

21 Feminism : Ugly Women Complaining

Posted by: garrett at May 23, 2018 12:33 PM (KereL)

22 It is not your feminism we want.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 23, 2018 12:33 PM (Dp6qK)

23 7 Or is it Gray?
Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 23, 2018 12:32 PM (7LY+6)

That's a man's name

Posted by: Mr. Maugham at May 23, 2018 12:34 PM (Ymy4N)

24 It isn't about women and hasn't been for a long time. Feminism is a lot like environmentalism. It is about communism (or post-modernism or whatever West-hating anti-Enlightenment group with which they identify this week).

The strongest thing we can do is appropriate as many of these things as possible. I'll see your feminism and raise you equal opportunity and not an inch more. I'll see your environmentalism and raise you early 20th-century conservationism and not an inch more.

Plug in what you like, but appropriate like crazy. It is, unironically, for the children (among other things).

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 23, 2018 12:34 PM (I2dne)

25 I prefer The Jennifer and Bailey method.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at May 23, 2018 12:34 PM (pxOl8)

26 Grey's Anatomy sucks too

Posted by: Rick in SK at May 23, 2018 12:34 PM (FZYNt)

27 So, FGM is still okay?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 23, 2018 12:34 PM (Boy/L)

28 I say they fight it out...choose yer weapons!

Posted by: BignJames at May 23, 2018 12:34 PM (0+nbW)

29 Having worked for years at a University, I experienced the dark, ugly side of Progressive Feminism..... they really do hate you.....

Posted by: kraken at May 23, 2018 12:35 PM (zSVEm)

30 Looks like according to the blog there is some grey area here.

Posted by: LizLem at May 23, 2018 12:35 PM (hvf9s)

31 Don't these women understand that it's really hard to objectify them while keep running off at the mouth?

Posted by: garrett at May 23, 2018 12:35 PM (KereL)

32 http://bit.ly/2J3pDOW
=====
BREAKING=> FBI Agent at Mike Flynn Interrogation Is Ready to Testify Against McCabe, Strzok and Comey!
+++++
willowed

Posted by: NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN at May 23, 2018 12:35 PM (y3aQB)

33 My my, hey hey
Out of the white, and into the gray

Posted by: Neal Young at May 23, 2018 12:35 PM (pxOl8)

34 It's a hard luck life being a feminist these days. Conservatives on one side, trannies on the other, Muslims on the other other...

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at May 23, 2018 12:36 PM (ABuva)

35 Feminist: We Must Protect The Concept of Feminism From "Conservative Appropriation"

-
By throwing water on Tomi Lahren.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 23, 2018 12:36 PM (+y/Ru)

36 Neil Young..... morphing into Statler & Waldorf....

Posted by: kraken at May 23, 2018 12:36 PM (zSVEm)

37 Motte and Jeff

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 23, 2018 12:36 PM (IqV8l)

38
Jessica Valenti in:

Gray Bailey Down

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 23, 2018 12:36 PM (XWkhW)

39 370
357

Oh, just saw this - Trump was tweeting at 4:00am again:

Look how things have turned around on the Criminal Deep State.

They go after Phony Collusion with Russia, a made up Scam, and end up

getting caught in a major SPY scandal the likes of which this country

may never have seen before! What goes around, comes around!

SPYGATE could be one of the biggest political scandals in history!

The Trumpening will come soon, I think!!

Posted by: Lizzy at May 23, 2018 12:30 PM (W+vEI)

Today I announce that a team of Attorneys General will be releasedd to investigate this matter far and wide.

They will be know as the Trumpenschlongen.

Posted by: President Richard Punch at May 23, 2018 12:34 PM (ymnmz)

I was willowed on the last thread. Sad.

Posted by: President Richard Punch at May 23, 2018 12:36 PM (ymnmz)

40 BREAKING=> FBI Agent at Mike Flynn Interrogation Is Ready to Testify Against McCabe, Strzok and Comey!

Comey is really a bad basketball player

Posted by: FBI rat at May 23, 2018 12:36 PM (Ymy4N)

41 Gray, Grey, ah whatever.

Posted by: NALNAMSAM at May 23, 2018 12:36 PM (YkEgi)

42 I'm feeling a bit boxed in, Ace.

Posted by: Surfperch at May 23, 2018 12:37 PM (7PQBV)

43 >>Maybe they should stick to one definition -- the crazed one they all obviously really believe in -- and push that as what Feminism really is, and let people if decide if they are feminists by that single definition.

They can't, because too many women say they are not feminists, because - get this! - the term feminist has negative qualities to it.

SO they take the Bailey position to say "All women should be proud feminists because it's all about equality! How dare men and conservative make it a polarizing label!!"

Posted by: Lizzy at May 23, 2018 12:37 PM (W+vEI)

44 Wait ... is this the Dan Brown "Sacred Feminine" we're talking here, are just your run-of-the-mill mean girl flannel shirt butch-jeans type feminism. If the latter, meh ...

Posted by: Direwolf at May 23, 2018 12:37 PM (btg6b)

45 uu

Posted by: REDACTED at May 23, 2018 12:37 PM (Ymy4N)

46 41 Gray, Grey, ah whatever.
Posted by: NALNAMSAM at May 23, 2018 12:36 PM (YkEgi)

Sasha.

Posted by: kraken at May 23, 2018 12:37 PM (zSVEm)

47 Well, this is a close-fitting box.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 23, 2018 12:37 PM (kqsXK)

48 "But Feminism only means that women should be social and legal equals; how can you disagree with that, YOU HATER?!!

Equality be a Stone. Cold. Bitch.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 23, 2018 12:37 PM (GWDdA)

49 To be fair to the Wymn's, its pretty much the same play with the race card.

Candace Owens, Condelezza Rice etc etc will tell you they are told all the time that they aren't really black. Ironically we have a --not really-- black people who strut around claiming to be black (NAACP head in Seattle?) and because their political speech is approved they get a pass.

The ONLY thing that matters is politics.

Idol worship never went out of style, it just changed its branding campaign.

Posted by: simplemind at May 23, 2018 12:37 PM (e/jQt)

50 we went to plaid.

Posted by: Quint at May 23, 2018 12:38 PM (n13/j)

51 I'm not sure I understand. Is giving blowjobs to politicians because they support abortion Motte, or Bailey?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 23, 2018 12:38 PM (CPfoe)

52 shades of grey

Posted by: REDACTED at May 23, 2018 12:38 PM (Ymy4N)

53 'In the dark, all boxes are grey.'

- Shit Ben Franklin said, Vol. I

Posted by: garrett at May 23, 2018 12:38 PM (KereL)

54 Boxing in a post about feminism is so meta.

In the dark, all pussies are gray.

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at May 23, 2018 12:38 PM (hMwEB)

55 Missed by two, dammit

Posted by: REDACTED at May 23, 2018 12:38 PM (Ymy4N)

56 nobody puts Baby in a box

Posted by: NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN at May 23, 2018 12:38 PM (y3aQB)

57 So, FGM is still okay?"

Comfort Momoh says "no"

(seriously. That's her name)

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 23, 2018 12:38 PM (7LY+6)

58 In the dark all pussies are grey.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 23, 2018 12:39 PM (VgKNm)

59 Motte and Bailey is just a highfalutin way of saying "clown nose on, clown nose off."

Posted by: pep at May 23, 2018 12:39 PM (6kkYE)

60 Do you see grey...or blue?

Posted by: Diogenes at May 23, 2018 12:39 PM (neVEe)

61 Does feminism require us to stay in the lines? or in a box? or is it some kind of funny joke that comments are grey since feminists end up shriveled grey hags?

Posted by: Toddler at May 23, 2018 12:39 PM (8D42x)

62 >>Equality be a Stone. Cold. Bitch.

Word

Posted by: TERFS at May 23, 2018 12:39 PM (W+vEI)

63 So, FGM is still okay?"

Comfort Momoh says "no"

(seriously. That's her name)

#HandsOffMyClit

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 23, 2018 12:39 PM (CPfoe)

64 >>> That's what all the Meghan Markle fans were saying, on her wedding day. In her case it's all about disrupting 1,000 years of tradition in order to do what you want to do, because you're an empowered feminist.

I watched and mocked the Harry/Meghan Lifetime movie with friends last week, MST3K style. Good times.

Throughout the flick, the Meghan character kept saying in various ways that she wanted to be independent and not defined by a man.

My friends would shout out loud, "Honey, you are MARRYING A PRINCE." The character didn't want the fairytale and yet did at the same time. Which, while a very human trait, does not exactly make you miss feminism either.

Posted by: LizLem at May 23, 2018 12:39 PM (hvf9s)

65 Is this about fembots?

Are they ready yet?

Posted by: eleven at May 23, 2018 12:39 PM (+lOpA)

66 Laurel

Posted by: Quint at May 23, 2018 12:39 PM (n13/j)

67 we went to plaid. "

Ludicrous, that is.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 23, 2018 12:39 PM (7LY+6)

68 Not that many shades of grey.

Bland.

Posted by: simplemind at May 23, 2018 12:40 PM (yeV4x)

69 zero fucks given about feminists who smell like ass and week old cat piss with lizzie warren hair. you can smell the clam dip when they walk by.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 23, 2018 12:40 PM (KP5rU)

70 Nobody puts baby in a box!

Posted by: Dirty Boxing at May 23, 2018 12:40 PM (ukoyI)

71 We must protect our rhyming schemes from appropriation by Modernists!

Am I in the right room?

Posted by: AE Houseman at May 23, 2018 12:40 PM (CPk08)

72 The nice thing about grey is it goes with everything.

Posted by: garrett at May 23, 2018 12:40 PM (KereL)

73 Pretty early for ace. Not that I am complaining

Posted by: thathalfrican - Stay woke! - Leigon of Gloom founding member/too sweet at May 23, 2018 12:40 PM (BLzn1)

74 *robot bark* *robot bark*

Posted by: Boxy at May 23, 2018 12:40 PM (sGtp+)

75 "The Motte version is the most defensible definition of feminism: that women are social and legal equals to men and should suffer no man-made impediments to their own pursuits of happiness."

Listen hot pants, you have a few years before sex robots and the self-making sammich send screechy harridans the way of the dodo. Don't make me figure it out for you.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 23, 2018 12:40 PM (Dp6qK)

76 - Shit Ben Franklin said, Vol. I"

you left out "On the Interwebz"

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 23, 2018 12:40 PM (7LY+6)

77 It's important to remember that not all women are able to speak for them selves and that they sometimes need to keep their damn mouth shut (or open as the case may be) to keep the cause alive.

Here, have some blue knee pads.

Posted by: Every feminist everywhere at May 23, 2018 12:40 PM (ymnmz)

78 Gray skies
Smiling at me
Nothing but gray skies
Do I see

Graybirds
Singing a song
Nothing but graybirds
All day long

---- Irving Grayin Berlin

Posted by: RioBravo at May 23, 2018 12:41 PM (5NMZN)

79 Some stupid bastard judge let my parents kick me out of my house!

I wasn't even bothering them!

REEEEEEEEE!

Posted by: Dr. Krang at May 23, 2018 12:41 PM (UiRxW)

80 #HandsOffMyClit

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 23, 2018 12:39 PM (CPfoe)

Put a spoon in your panties.

Posted by: BignJames at May 23, 2018 12:41 PM (0+nbW)

81 >>Today I announce that a team of Attorneys General will be released to investigate this matter far and wide.

They will be know as the Trumpenschlongen.

Oh, I like that word!

Posted by: Lizzy at May 23, 2018 12:41 PM (W+vEI)

82 I read the end of the fifth paragraph as "impediments to their pantsuit of happiness."

Posted by: Octopussy at May 23, 2018 12:41 PM (1Sc7o)

83 The Grays have taken over the blog!

Posted by: josephistan at May 23, 2018 12:41 PM (7HtZB)

84 The Motte position isn't very defensible as articulated. No one freely pursues happiness without any man-made impediments in their way, least of all men providing for their families. Even in a free society, life is full of moral, legal, and social impediments to the pursuit of happiness. Motte feminism is a lie; you can't have it all.

Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at May 23, 2018 12:41 PM (MM3j3)

85 'What do we want?'

"Attention!"

'When do we want it?'

"We shouldn't have to tell you!"

Posted by: garrett at May 23, 2018 12:42 PM (KereL)

86 Has Jessica Valenti, ever, at any point in her life, said anything interesting? Her head is filled with mice turds.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V sez don't you dare walk the damn pitcher at May 23, 2018 12:42 PM (H80UQ)

87 Feminism : Ugly Women Complaining

The popular image of a suffragette was that of a man-hating, homely virago (despite that many, like Christabel Pankhurst, were rather attractive).

I prefer my women to be women - lovely creatures glorying in their sex, happy to be female, but also an intellectual equal and lifetime companion.

I do not prefer my women to be Jessica Valenties.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 23, 2018 12:42 PM (kqsXK)

88 American feminism was about expanding l the prerogatives of upper class women, one of the most spoiled groups in the world. It's expanded to cover Women of the Borg, the unholy alliance of government academia and co-opted industries

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 23, 2018 12:42 PM (n+6mJ)

89 Bon Motte AC/DC was best AC/DC.

Posted by: Dr. Pug Mahon at May 23, 2018 12:42 PM (xPJvm)

90 Male feminist Scott Weinberg:

Tomi Lahren should have drinks thrown on her. I don't feel bad. She literally preaches hate. Every day. Good people are bound to respond to her hatred eventually.

- Scott Weinberg (@scottEweinberg)

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 23, 2018 12:42 PM (+y/Ru)

91 Shorter Jessica Valenti: "Here's why we don't have to recognize Trump for hiring a lot of women to fill key administration roles..."

Posted by: Lizzy at May 23, 2018 12:42 PM (W+vEI)

92 83 The Grays have taken over the blog!
Posted by: josephistan at May 23, 2018 12:41 PM (7HtZB)

Don't worry. We'll deal with it.

Posted by: Fungi From Yuggoth at May 23, 2018 12:42 PM (CPk08)

93 wait, the Confederates wore gray

ACE IS THE KLAN!!!!!

Posted by: CNN at May 23, 2018 12:42 PM (FZYNt)

94 Boxy but safe!

Posted by: Volvo at May 23, 2018 12:42 PM (ymnmz)

95 The Motte position"

Is that with applesauce?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 23, 2018 12:42 PM (7LY+6)

96 Pantsuits really are the key to happiness.

Just look at me.

Posted by: Hillary! Behold my frabjous joy at May 23, 2018 12:42 PM (MM3j3)

97 I didn't see Motte the Bailey open for anybody in '86 because they thought they were too good to play my town.

Posted by: Hikaru at May 23, 2018 12:42 PM (WDCYi)

98 "impediments to their pantsuit of happiness."
=====

Fuckin backbrace.

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary at May 23, 2018 12:43 PM (K5VZP)

99 Motte feminism is a lie; you can't have it all.
Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at May 23, 2018 12:41 PM (MM3j3)
++++++++
Why do you think there is always the clamoring for programs, subsidies, special treatments, different standards, etc.? As long as they can keep extracting subsidies and favorable policies from Uncle "Sugardaddy" Sam, they can pretend that can indeed have it all.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 23, 2018 12:43 PM (I2dne)

100 Breaking News from Gateway Pundit is...well, let's just say further verification is needed, as a blanket statement when it comes to GWP.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at May 23, 2018 12:43 PM (pxOl8)

101 >>The Motte position

Page 69.

Posted by: Kama Sutra Index at May 23, 2018 12:43 PM (KereL)

102 Has Jessica Valenti, ever, at any point in her life, said anything interesting? Her head is filled with mice turds.
Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V sez don't you dare walk the damn pitcher at May 23, 2018 12:42 PM (H80UQ)

I disagree. I find her insights to be lighted farts in a forest of darkness.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 23, 2018 12:43 PM (CPfoe)

103 So if I don't go see the new movie Book Club, does that make me an anti-feminist?
Or do I have to go and laugh and make sarcastic remarks throughout the film?

Posted by: Diogenes at May 23, 2018 12:43 PM (neVEe)

104 91
Shorter Jessica Valenti: "Here's why we don't have to recognize Trump for hiring a lot of women to fill key administration roles..."

Posted by: Lizzy at May 23, 2018 12:42 PM (W+vEI)

What she said! You go grrl!

Posted by: Bollard Queen of Chappaqua at May 23, 2018 12:43 PM (ymnmz)

105 >>> Tomi Lahren should have drinks thrown on her. I don't feel bad. She literally preaches hate. Every day. Good people are bound to respond to her hatred eventually. - Scott Weinberg (@scottEweinberg)

Some women are more equal than others...

Posted by: Zombie George Orwell at May 23, 2018 12:44 PM (hvf9s)

106 Man-made impediment for the win.

Posted by: Electoral College at May 23, 2018 12:44 PM (Dp6qK)

107 Did shumone shay Bailey'sh? *Hic*

And, Mottsh? Bailey'sh and appleshaush shoundsh awful. But I'll try one.

Posted by: Not the President at May 23, 2018 12:44 PM (JGBbg)

108 lighted farts in a forest of darkness."

Isn't that our movie guy's favorite flick?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 23, 2018 12:44 PM (7LY+6)

109 As Insty often points out, you can note there are differences between men and women so long as you always conclude that women are better.

Posted by: RoyalOil at May 23, 2018 12:44 PM (TN1P5)

110
Fuckin backbrace.

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary
==========
Keep it up and it'll be an iron lung.

Posted by: i'm giving you time to reflect at May 23, 2018 12:44 PM (e/jQt)

111 Ha! Ace is a year behind with the motte and bailey trick:

http://minx.cc:1080/?post=370373

Plus, mine has a cool diagram.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader & Contributing Editor, Vanity Fair Magazine at May 23, 2018 12:44 PM (8nK6H)

112 Sure thing, Sugartits.

But first...

Posted by: Glass Ceiling at May 23, 2018 12:45 PM (KereL)

113 102 Has Jessica Valenti, ever, at any point in her life, said anything interesting? Her head is filled with mice turds.
Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V sez don't you dare walk the damn pitcher at May 23, 2018 12:42 PM (H80UQ) [/i}

MOUSE turds.

Posted by: Sister Mary Joseph at May 23, 2018 12:45 PM (CPk08)

114 Isn't Scott Whinyberg preaching hate in that Tweet?Feel free to poor drinks on him.

Posted by: steevy at May 23, 2018 12:45 PM (LiyEm)

115 90
Male feminist Scott Weinberg:

Tomi Lahren should have drinks thrown on her. I don't feel bad. She
literally preaches hate. Every day. Good people are bound to respond to
her hatred eventually.

- Scott Weinberg (@scottEweinberg)

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 23, 2018 12:42 PM (+y/Ru)

What she said. You go Grrl!

Posted by: Emmaunuelle Goldstein at May 23, 2018 12:45 PM (ymnmz)

116 I remember Motte the Bailey's big hit. "All the Young Dudes (Will Grow Up to be Toxically Masculine Rapists)"

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at May 23, 2018 12:45 PM (pxOl8)

117 As Insty often points out, you can note there are
differences between men and women so long as you always conclude that
women are better.

Posted by: RoyalOil at May 23, 2018 12:44 PM (TN1P5)
-----------------
Oops.

Posted by: Sheppy at May 23, 2018 12:45 PM (5NMZN)

118 You know why we've got Trannies?

Because dudes look at Jessica Valenti and say "Jesus, _I_ would be a better woman than her!"

Posted by: Hikaru at May 23, 2018 12:45 PM (WDCYi)

119 Breaking News from Gateway Pundit is...well, let's just say further verification is needed, as a blanket statement when it comes to GWP.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat?

Excitable Jim comes with a 72-hour warning.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 23, 2018 12:46 PM (LNPd9)

120 Feel free to poor drinks on him."

What, and waste eight buck PBRs?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 23, 2018 12:46 PM (7LY+6)

121 So the motte is like a big throbbing phallus that the ladies should be protecting at all costs. I like this idea.

Posted by: Fritz at May 23, 2018 12:46 PM (2Mnv1)

122 Motte and Bailey... looked it up... after the castle stuff... it gets into some pretty sophistic, Jesuitical reasoning... come to AoS for a free education...

Posted by: kraken at May 23, 2018 12:46 PM (zSVEm)

123 120 Feel free to poor drinks on him."

What, and waste eight buck PBRs?
Posted by: Anon a mouse

i wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire

Posted by: Rick in SK at May 23, 2018 12:46 PM (FZYNt)

124 >> Ha! Ace is a year behind with the motte and bailey trick:

http://minx.cc:1080/?post=370373

Nice

Posted by: Lizzy at May 23, 2018 12:46 PM (W+vEI)

125 Excitable Jim comes with a 72-hour warning."

He's just an excitable Jim...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 23, 2018 12:46 PM (7LY+6)

126 Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at May 23, 2018 12:43 PM (pxOl

+++++
If you acyually read it, you would been able to tell, the GP was reporting what others are reporting or saying, But back to you regularly scheduled Pants Shitting

Posted by: NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN at May 23, 2018 12:47 PM (y3aQB)

127 >>> Her head is filled with mice turds.
Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V sez don't you dare walk the damn pitcher at May 23, 2018 12:42 PM (H80UQ) [/i}

MOUSE turds.
Posted by: Sister Mary Joseph at May 23, 2018 12:45 PM (CPk0

Ahem, the correct term is MEESES.

Posted by: Child in the democrat public school system at May 23, 2018 12:47 PM (hvf9s)

128 Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 23, 2018 12:46 PM (LNPd9)

Excitable Jim, LOL!

I hear a Warren Zevon song...

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at May 23, 2018 12:47 PM (pxOl8)

129 100 Breaking News from Gateway Pundit is...well, let's just say further verification is needed, as a blanket statement when it comes to GWP.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at May 23, 2018 12:43 PM (pxOl

This is true generally, and Hoft's headlines oversell.

But here, this is Joe DiGenova saying "So Grassley wants to see the notes of these people and he wants to interview the one [Flynn interview] agent who was there who was very, very, very serious about how Flynn did not deceive. That agent that he wants to interview is the agent who went to the Inspector General and complained about the conduct of Strzok and McCabe."

Newsworthy, but not Hoft-headline newsworthy.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 23, 2018 12:47 PM (Dp6qK)

130 *robot bark* *robot bark*

Posted by: Boxy

/glares at robot dog

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at May 23, 2018 12:47 PM (AM1GF)

131 So the motte is like a big throbbing phallus that the ladies should be protecting at all costs"

A Hoople, then.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 23, 2018 12:47 PM (7LY+6)

132 yeah, but whoever reads the content in an OregonMuse post? :^D

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at May 23, 2018 12:47 PM (XO+cO)

133 The DOJ needs to be broken into numerous smaller departments.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at May 23, 2018 12:47 PM (wGbBR)

134 Bailey and Motte were only half as good as Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 23, 2018 12:48 PM (neVEe)

135 Posted by: NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN at May 23, 2018 12:47 PM (y3aQB)

Thing about internet tough guys is...they're INTERNET tough guys.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at May 23, 2018 12:48 PM (pxOl8)

136 i wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire"

Yeah. He might like it, esp w/o said fire...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 23, 2018 12:48 PM (7LY+6)

137 Meese is plural for Moose. Duh.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at May 23, 2018 12:48 PM (XO+cO)

138 Seriously Jessica, you can have feminism. All yours. In fact, why don't you just keep it. And show us your tits.

Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at May 23, 2018 12:48 PM (RD7QR)

139 My wife used to live in the Berkeley CA back in the 1970s to
1980s and the feminists she was around got annoyed with
her for dressing up and wearing makeup. They had already cowed the men they were around to accept them as
they were -I think they were anti-feminine -no make up no
dressing nice etc.

Posted by: Glenn John at May 23, 2018 12:49 PM (LilNs)

140
The DOJ needs to be broken into numerous smaller departments.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at May 23, 2018 12:47 PM (wGbBR)
------------------------------
Justice divided is justice denied.

Posted by: Undocumented at May 23, 2018 12:49 PM (5NMZN)

141 Remember in 1984, I think, how everyone had to get up in the and participate in the two minutes of hate?

Posted by: Hello Twitter at May 23, 2018 12:49 PM (ymnmz)

142 Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young."

See, this is why commas are important

Posted by: Hamilton, Joe Frank, and Reynolds at May 23, 2018 12:49 PM (7LY+6)

143 Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at May 23, 2018 12:48 PM (pxOl

++++
Did I hurt your feeling with the truth?
+++++
Internet Tough Guy ! ahahahaha

Posted by: NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN at May 23, 2018 12:49 PM (y3aQB)

144 yeah, but whoever reads the content in an OregonMuse post? :^D
Posted by: Boulder t'hobo

Harsh but fair.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 23, 2018 12:49 PM (LNPd9)

145 From The Hill:

...Trump also hit back at former FBI director James Comey, who accused Trump of telling a "lie" about spies being embedded in his campaign.

"What I am doing is a service to this country and I did a great service to this country by firing James Comey," he said.

Gotta love Trump.

Posted by: WisRich at May 23, 2018 12:50 PM (G0vdT)

146 Dingbat feminist erects woman-made impediments against women.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 23, 2018 12:50 PM (Dp6qK)

147 138 Seriously Jessica, you can have feminism. All yours. In fact, why don't you just keep it. And show us your tits.
Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at May 23, 2018 12:48 PM (RD7QR)

I'd settle for a sammich.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Sut In at May 23, 2018 12:50 PM (CPk08)

148 In Marxism/feminism, feminists are the Ladies' Auxiliary of Marxism, which uses feminism to co-opt man-hating gynocentrics, e.g., Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: w at May 23, 2018 12:50 PM (vhrlk)

149 Justice divided is justice denied."

No justice, no pieces?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 23, 2018 12:50 PM (7LY+6)

150

There is not a single one of these feminists who could in any way compete with my beloved ginger for the title of woman.
Pale imitations and hardly worth spitting on--though I would, simply to infuriate them.

Posted by: irongrampa at May 23, 2018 12:50 PM (S/hVx)

151 The FBI is wrecked.

DOJ is right behind them.

Credibility is a big deal in a trial.

Its going to be a problem going forward for them. A big one. Especially with all these idiots still tweeting that they did nothing wrong. How can you restore credibility when you are still lying about what you've done in the past.

It. Don't. Work. That. Way.

Posted by: simplemind at May 23, 2018 12:50 PM (yeV4x)

152 Posted by: NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN at May 23, 2018 12:49 PM (y3aQB)

'Scuse me? Couldn't hear you over your wife's moaning.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at May 23, 2018 12:50 PM (pxOl8)

153 Comey's prison nickname will be Big Pussy.

Posted by: steevy at May 23, 2018 12:51 PM (LiyEm)

154 Justice is a word that has been much abused of late....

Posted by: kraken at May 23, 2018 12:51 PM (zSVEm)

155 I prefer Stacy McCain's definition of feminism, and would agree with the Valentini that conservative women can't be feminists, but not maybe for the same reason.

Posted by: goodluckduck at May 23, 2018 12:51 PM (rwaEp)

156 140
The DOJ needs to be broken into numerous smaller departments.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at May 23, 2018 12:47 PM (wGbBR)
------------------------------
Justice divided is justice denied.

Posted by: Undocumented at May 23, 2018 12:49 PM (5NMZN)

What is Justice decimated?

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 23, 2018 12:51 PM (Dp6qK)

157 The term "feminist" itself does not indicate "equality".

It indicates they are for one side, and not some "egalitarian" society, where (perhaps) there can be different roles that certain social networks may choose (stay at home moms?) ... but women and men have an equal opportunity to freely choose.

Of course "divide and conquer" is the real Orwellian game, with "equal rights" mean preferred treatment of every "minority" and every foreign ideology, quotas for thee but not for me.

Posted by: illiniwek at May 23, 2018 12:51 PM (bT8Z4)

158 145
From The Hill:

...Trump also hit back at former FBI director James Comey, who
accused Trump of telling a "lie" about spies being embedded in his
campaign.

"What I am doing is a service to this country and I did a great service to this country by firing James Comey," he said.

Gotta love Trump.

Posted by: WisRich at May 23, 2018 12:50 PM (G0vdT

Ow my balls

Posted by: James Comey at May 23, 2018 12:51 PM (ymnmz)

159 Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 23, 2018 12:47 PM (Dp6qK)
+++++
Careful he will label you a INTERNET tough Guy

Posted by: NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN at May 23, 2018 12:51 PM (y3aQB)

160 yeah, but whoever reads the content in an OregonMuse post? :^D
Posted by: Boulder t'hobo

I actually remember that post, but I have to admit, I only looked at the picture.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 23, 2018 12:51 PM (neVEe)

161 How widespread is that belief amongst wamynz that some women have penises? Because that seems as objectionable to many as the idea that a conservative woman is a woman, too.

Does Jessica Valenti really believe that some women have penises?

Posted by: Kensington at May 23, 2018 12:51 PM (7Kbxu)

162 132 yeah, but whoever reads the content in an OregonMuse post? :^D
Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at May 23, 2018 12:47 PM (XO+cO)

I ask myself the same question sometimes...

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader & Contributing Editor, Vanity Fair Magazine at May 23, 2018 12:51 PM (8nK6H)

163 What is Justice decimated?

20 proof?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 23, 2018 12:51 PM (7LY+6)

164 A "man" who encourages others to throw drinks on a woman, is not even an Internet tough guy.

Posted by: Hillary! Behold my frabjous joy at May 23, 2018 12:52 PM (MM3j3)

165 Does Jessica Valenti really believe that some women have penises?"

Only if they think they do.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 23, 2018 12:52 PM (7LY+6)

166 >>yeah, but whoever reads the content in an OregonMuse post?

I always skip her content.

Posted by: garrett at May 23, 2018 12:52 PM (KereL)

167 Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at May 23, 2018 12:50 PM (pxOl

++++++
ahahahaha ! Right

Posted by: NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN at May 23, 2018 12:52 PM (y3aQB)

168 53
'In the dark, all boxes are grey.'

- Shit Ben Franklin said, Vol. I

Posted by: garrett at May 23, 2018 12:38 PM (KereL)

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54
Boxing in a post about feminism is so meta.

In the dark, all pussies are gray.

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at May 23, 2018 12:38 PM (hMwEB)

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58
In the dark all pussies are grey.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 23, 2018 12:39 PM (VgKNm)

---

Gaze upon the Hordemind, ye mighty, and despair.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 23, 2018 12:52 PM (VgKNm)

169 Gotta love Trump.

QFT

Posted by: eleven at May 23, 2018 12:52 PM (+lOpA)

170 159 Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 23, 2018 12:47 PM (Dp6qK)
+++++
Careful he will label you a INTERNET tough Guy

Posted by: NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN at May 23, 2018 12:51 PM (y3aQB)

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner, INTERNET tough fry at May 23, 2018 12:52 PM (Dp6qK)

171 157 The term "feminist" itself does not indicate "equality".

It indicates they are for one side, and not some "egalitarian" society, where (perhaps) there can be different roles that certain social networks may choose (stay at home moms?) ... but women and men have an equal opportunity to freely choose.

Of course "divide and conquer" is the real Orwellian game, with "equal rights" mean preferred treatment of every "minority" and every foreign ideology, quotas for thee but not for me.
Posted by: illiniwek at May 23, 2018 12:51 PM (bT8Z4)

As usual with Left Wing Grievance Groups, it's all about Vengeance.

Posted by: Hikaru at May 23, 2018 12:52 PM (WDCYi)

172 In that case, Zod identifies as "manist."

Posted by: Plenipotentiary Zod at May 23, 2018 12:52 PM (Bdeb0)

173 Gaze upon the Hordemind, ye mighty, and despair."

Sure thing, Shelly.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 23, 2018 12:53 PM (7LY+6)

174 Does Jessica Valenti really believe that some women have penises?
======

Inquiring minds want to know!

Posted by: Michelle Obama's, at May 23, 2018 12:53 PM (K5VZP)

175 Winona Ryder's a dirty whore.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at May 23, 2018 12:53 PM (pxOl8)

176 Get off me backbrace-wearing harridan sock!

Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at May 23, 2018 12:53 PM (MM3j3)

177 Motte and Bailey Illustrated, only $12 a year, $24 for three years.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 23, 2018 12:53 PM (VgKNm)

178 Funny from the safety of the Motte, I have yet to hear a single FEMINIZT demand the right to be drafted.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared, Americans don't Serf at May 23, 2018 12:54 PM (DxWUs)

179 175 Also she really hasn't aged well....

Posted by: steevy at May 23, 2018 12:54 PM (LiyEm)

180 Well, perhaps leftards can copyright their stupidity.

Posted by: maddogg at May 23, 2018 12:54 PM (o2MD2)

181 Motte and Bailey Illustrated, only $12 a year, $24 for three years."

I'll take that plus Road and Track...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 23, 2018 12:54 PM (7LY+6)

182 I added a link and posted that illustration, Oregon. Thanks!

Peeps might want to check the cool illustration and Oregon's post from last year.

Posted by: ace at May 23, 2018 12:54 PM (8rNrN)

183 Wasn't Bailey the cute chick with glasses on WKRP?

Posted by: steevy at May 23, 2018 12:54 PM (LiyEm)

184
We live in the dumbest of times.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 23, 2018 12:55 PM (fceHP)

185 181 Motte and Bailey Illustrated, only $12 a year, $24 for three years."

I'll take that plus Road and Track...
Posted by: Anon a mouse

and Gent

Posted by: Rick in SK at May 23, 2018 12:55 PM (FZYNt)

186 Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at May 23, 2018 12:53 PM (pxOl

++++
So now the DULLARD thinks I am BananaShitsGuy, who I hated. You know what chuckles when you first find yourself in a hole, the first thing you should do is stop digging

Posted by: NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN at May 23, 2018 12:55 PM (y3aQB)

187 Biological females who are conservative are guilty of appropriating feminism.
Biological males who claim to be female so they can take pictures of little girls in public restrooms are the embodiment of feminism.
Got it.

Posted by: Stu Podaso at May 23, 2018 12:55 PM (RbiA9)

188 >>Also she really hasn't aged well....

Grandma always said, " A fish that doesn't get used gets rusty."

Of course, she had dimentia...

Posted by: garrett at May 23, 2018 12:55 PM (KereL)

189 Wasn't Bailey the cute chick with glasses on WKRP?"

Yep.

*le sigh*

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 23, 2018 12:55 PM (7LY+6)

190 Bailey Quarters or the receptionist?

Posted by: simplemind at May 23, 2018 12:55 PM (fHL+X)

191 So the NFL bends the knee for Trump.

All personnel has to stand.

HaHa

Trump curse is real.

Posted by: Maritime at May 23, 2018 12:55 PM (lKmt3)

192 True hard core feminists are ugly women who hate men. And who demand we bow down to them at every corner.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 23, 2018 12:55 PM (mpXpK)

193 It ought to be illegal for anyone to appropriate leftard stupidity. It really should. Their symbol can be a cockroach with it's head up it's ass.

Posted by: maddogg at May 23, 2018 12:56 PM (o2MD2)

194 190 Bailey Quarters or the receptionist?
Posted by: simplemind

that was Jennifer Marlowe, aka Loni Anderson

Posted by: Rick in SK at May 23, 2018 12:56 PM (FZYNt)

195 >>Peeps might want to check the cool illustration and Oregon's post from last year.

If you lend me that Time Machine (which you totally don't have) I promise to check it out.

Posted by: garrett at May 23, 2018 12:56 PM (KereL)

196 189 Wasn't Bailey the cute chick with glasses on WKRP?"

Yep.

*le sigh*
Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 23, 2018 12:55 PM (7LY+6)

Was that show on in the 70's?

Posted by: kraken at May 23, 2018 12:56 PM (zSVEm)

197 Valenti has a point, because feminist theory is basically Marxist class warfare applied to the sexes. Feminism is thoroughly of the Left.

Posted by: rickl at May 23, 2018 12:56 PM (xjiRE)

198 183
Wasn't Bailey the cute chick with glasses on WKRP?

Posted by: steevy at May 23, 2018 12:54 PM (LiyEm)

I though that was Markie Post's character on Night Court?

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at May 23, 2018 12:56 PM (ymnmz)

199 188 >>Also she really hasn't aged well....

Grandma always said, " A fish that doesn't get used gets rusty."

Of course, she had dimentia...
Posted by: garrett at May 23, 2018 12:55 PM (KereL)

That's what old people get if they aren't very smart to begin with.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Sut In at May 23, 2018 12:56 PM (CPk08)

200 Some bitch:Can Americans ditch guns the way we ditched cigarettes?

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/297488/

Posted by: steevy at May 23, 2018 12:56 PM (LiyEm)

201 Bailey feminism: take Marxism, remove the exploited worker and replace him with the capitalist's daughter in grad school.

Posted by: Captain Obvious at May 23, 2018 12:57 PM (6HWvp)

202 Buc-ees has good lawyers. They found a Houston jury that can't tell the difference between an alligator and a beaver.

Posted by: RioBravo at May 23, 2018 12:57 PM (5NMZN)

203 I never hear feminist screaming about wanting to work construction or work on a road crew.....

Posted by: lin-duh @ work at May 23, 2018 12:57 PM (9iLHi)

204 "Wasn't Bailey the cute chick with glasses on WKRP?"
=====

Never noticed. I was too busy lusting over the hot blonde bombshell at the reception desk.

Posted by: Kensington at May 23, 2018 12:57 PM (zFznu)

205 193 It ought to be illegal for anyone to appropriate leftard stupidity. It really should. Their symbol can be a cockroach with it's head up it's ass.
Posted by: maddogg at May 23, 2018 12:56 PM (o2MD2)

It should probably be a lawyer, since the Left would be _NOTHING_ without the ability to perpetuate Lawfare.

Posted by: Hikaru at May 23, 2018 12:57 PM (WDCYi)

206 I though that was Markie Post's character on Night Court?
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless

let the knuckle children flow

Posted by: Rick in SK at May 23, 2018 12:57 PM (FZYNt)

207 Speaking of Ian Hunter, try a little "Lounge Lizard" for lunch. Or "Who Do You Love"

Posted by: Burger Chef at May 23, 2018 12:57 PM (RuIsu)

208

Tomi Lahren should have drinks thrown on her. I don't feel bad. She
literally preaches hate. Every day. Good people are bound to respond to
her hatred eventually.

I don't honestly know who Tomi Lahren is, just like I absolutely do not know who Scott Weinberg is but I'm sure his definition of hate is disagreeing with him.
Any how I guess honest debate is impossible with the left.

Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at May 23, 2018 12:57 PM (nBr1j)

209 >>Gotta love Trump.

QFT
Posted by: eleven

Quill Feather Todd

Quite Fine Theater

Querulous Fur Tosser

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 23, 2018 12:57 PM (LNPd9)

210 Bailey was a smoke show. Orders of magnitude hotter than Lonni (who was an early example of the uncanny valley IMHO)

Posted by: Dr. Pug Mahon at May 23, 2018 12:57 PM (xPJvm)

211 Oh, and have I mentioned that third wave feminism is just a branch of the Long March through the Institutions? Second wave feminism is largely accomplished.

90 Male feminist Scott Weinberg:

Tomi Lahren should have drinks thrown on her. I don't feel bad. She literally preaches hate. Every day. Good people are bound to respond to her hatred eventually.

- Scott Weinberg (@scottEweinberg)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 23, 2018 12:42 PM (+y/Ru)

Dude, we can go there but this is how you get dueling back. I don't think most lefty men want dueling again.

Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at May 23, 2018 12:57 PM (RD7QR)

212 How'd I get an 'i' in there?

Posted by: garrett at May 23, 2018 12:57 PM (KereL)

213 198 I though that was Markie Post's character on Night Court?
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at May 23, 2018 12:56 PM (ymnmz)

No, that was Christine, I think.

Posted by: Hikaru at May 23, 2018 12:58 PM (WDCYi)

214 I hope we can get rid of guns the same way we got rid of cigarettes.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 23, 2018 12:58 PM (VgKNm)

215 Valenti basically says that feminists wrongly led others to believe in a version of feminism that was separate from the truth. It does not simply mean equal treatment under the law or in the work place. Instead it means believing in ideals that ascertain only to the left. Because, according to Valenti, those ideals are what truly help women.

I think the translation of this is that women are incapable of succeeding on their own, so that they'll always need to be finding ways for the government to force them to get favorable treatment and hobble men accordingly. Any woman who claims that she doesn't need government interference and can be judged by the same standards of merit as men is a threat to that system.

The motte sounds like the point at which leftists should relent and say "good enough, our task is done". The bailey sounds like the leftist need to always keep pushing the overton window, even when it makes no sense, simply as a power grab. All of them have this need, not just feminists.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 23, 2018 12:58 PM (/qEW2)

216 historically conservatives have been happy for the left to own the moniker "feminist". The same way they loved to wrap the name "liberal" around them. The left got away from liberal because they knew it was a loser. So why are conservative women using the word "feminist". Did the left win that battle? I say turn it around, back to the origin, and keep it a left wing radical term.

I always thought conservatives value the individual, men and women as individuals. Let the left divide us and rank us by grievance groups.

Posted by: Quint at May 23, 2018 12:59 PM (n13/j)

217 I though that was Markie Post's character on Night Court?"

Her guest appearance on The Fall Guy...

Bunkworthy, that is.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 23, 2018 12:59 PM (7LY+6)

218 206
I though that was Markie Post's character on Night Court?

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless

let the knuckle children flow

Posted by: Rick in SK at May 23, 2018 12:57 PM (FZYNt)

Oh it was Valeri Betinelli on One day at a Time.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at May 23, 2018 12:59 PM (ymnmz)

219 The Daily Mail US homepage is a festival of happy feminists right now:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5762577/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5762275/

Posted by: JEM at May 23, 2018 12:59 PM (FfIBA)

220 Quasar Filtrum Tease

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 23, 2018 12:59 PM (LNPd9)

221 "...and looked down, mute with incomprehension, rage, something like despair as Shim Snopes realized that what had been was no longer, and never would be again, maybe never was at all, staring at the crotch where maleness had established, taken root, gone turgid and then detumesced but was now not, not just not there, but almost forgotten, as sure as two eyewitnesses to a thing confirmed on Monday that they had seen it and on Tuesday that neither had...
"He thought he was a girl," said the man on the nail-keg which was on Varner's porch. "He done had it cut off, and now it is gone, and he ain't so sure that being a she is better'n a he."
The other nodded, moved a checker. "And he don't look sure it was a good idea."
"Sho. People are crazy."
"Sho. It's your'n move."

Posted by: Zod Faulkner, from "The Himlet" at May 23, 2018 12:59 PM (Bdeb0)

222 Did Markie Post sing with Meatloaf? Missus kraken heard " Paradise by the Dashboard Lights" the other night and cracked up... she loved the baseball announcer part...

Posted by: kraken at May 23, 2018 12:59 PM (zSVEm)

223 I like the deconstructing of the propaganda ... because someone in the commie machinery really does engineer these themes and tactics, imo.

So when the magic trick method is revealed, it is no longer effective to use in the magic show. Once the fraud of the leftist magic is exposed, their "we stand for all women" BS loses its magic appeal, and they are exposed as angry fascists/leftists, who actually do saw the woman in half.

Posted by: illiniwek at May 23, 2018 12:59 PM (bT8Z4)

224 I hope we can get rid of guns the same way we got rid of cigarettes.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 23, 2018 12:58 PM (VgKNm)

----------------------------
Taxes!

Posted by: Juan Robertos at May 23, 2018 12:59 PM (5NMZN)

225 213
198 I though that was Markie Post's character on Night Court?

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at May 23, 2018 12:56 PM (ymnmz)

No, that was Christine, I think.

Posted by: Hikaru at May 23, 2018 12:58 PM (WDCYi)

Coburned

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at May 23, 2018 12:59 PM (ymnmz)

226 29 Having worked for years at a University, I experienced the dark, ugly side of Progressive Feminism..... they really do hate you.....
Posted by: kraken at May 23, 2018 12:35 PM

Dark and ugly is all Progressive*s have, they only keep it under wraps long enough to get power.

Posted by: Clay, unimpressed with your wokeness at May 23, 2018 01:00 PM (JWzxO)

227 Everyone remember to Comment on OregonMuse's old Post so she knows we read it.

Posted by: garrett at May 23, 2018 01:00 PM (KereL)

228 Heather Thomas>>Heather Locklear

Posted by: steevy at May 23, 2018 01:00 PM (LiyEm)

229 y3aQB / evilpens / evilinc, if you don't want to be treated like a poo flinging monkey, quit flinging poo. also the new sock is not doing you favours.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at May 23, 2018 01:00 PM (XO+cO)

230 MOUSE turds.

Posted by: Sister Mary Joseph at May 23, 2018 12:45 PM (CPk0

*hangs head in shame*

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V sez don't you dare walk the damn pitcher at May 23, 2018 01:00 PM (H80UQ)

231 Because if feminism means applauding 'anything a woman does' -- even hurting other women -- then it means nothing."

If what feminists want is unreasonable, of course an ethical woman would deny it to them. It's a stupid language game to call it "hurting" them, a trick to avoid debate on whether what they want is reasonable.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 23, 2018 01:00 PM (/qEW2)

232 228 Heather Thomas>>Heather Locklear
Posted by: steevy

agreed, but i would be the meat in that Heather sandwich

Posted by: Rick in SK at May 23, 2018 01:01 PM (FZYNt)

233 What is Justice decimated?
Posted by: flounderbot

No one going to jail over the attempted coup.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 23, 2018 01:01 PM (GWDdA)

234 227 Everyone remember to Comment on OregonMuse's old Post so she knows we read it.
Posted by: garrett at May 23, 2018 01:00 PM (KereL)

OregonMuse is a man.

Posted by: Surfperch at May 23, 2018 01:01 PM (7PQBV)

235 >>Her guest appearance on The Fall Guy...

The Pink Bikini?

Posted by: garrett at May 23, 2018 01:01 PM (EdIAI)

236 222 Phil Rizzuto later said he was clueless and never would have recorded it if he knew what the song was about lol.

Posted by: steevy at May 23, 2018 01:01 PM (LiyEm)

237 Quick Frown Box

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 23, 2018 01:01 PM (LNPd9)

238 235 Seared in my memory.

Posted by: steevy at May 23, 2018 01:01 PM (LiyEm)

239 226 Dark and ugly is all Progressive*s have, they only keep it under wraps long enough to get power.
Posted by: Clay, unimpressed with your wokeness at May 23, 2018 01:00 PM (JWzxO)

They don't even have to, anymore.

Most of the 18-34 year olds LIKE "dark and ugly" attitudes now.

Posted by: Hikaru at May 23, 2018 01:01 PM (WDCYi)

240 Because if feminism means applauding 'anything a woman does' -- even hurting other women -- then it means nothing."

Feminism means being the distaff auxiliary of the CPUSA. Oh, and an excuse for lesbian crap.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 23, 2018 01:01 PM (lRwzc)

241 Is my sammich ready yet?

Posted by: Jak Sucio at May 23, 2018 01:01 PM (Y9uH4)

242 234

Oregon Muse.... Anna Puma... so confusing....

Posted by: kraken at May 23, 2018 01:02 PM (zSVEm)

243 Modern feminism is just a piece of the current marxist critical theory cabal that is constantly perpetuating endless conflict and tearing down of the institutions of western civilisation...

...also...

Anybody indicted yet?

Posted by: Kreplach at May 23, 2018 01:02 PM (UfMVm)

244 Ah..... "Femenism" has a set definition, and only means one thing. And there will be NO redefining it.

I remember when that was true with the word marriage. Or that gender meant man or woman.

Posted by: Darth Randall at May 23, 2018 01:02 PM (7TeOH)

245 Some bitch:Can Americans ditch guns the way we ditched cigarettes? "

Whatever you do, do NOT look up the author of said column.

Seriously.

DON'T DO IT.

See, I told you ...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 23, 2018 01:02 PM (7LY+6)

246 Quest For Tea

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 23, 2018 01:02 PM (LNPd9)

247 Cast from WKRP

http://tinyurl.com/yas5bppr

yes, Baily was better looking than Loni.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 23, 2018 01:02 PM (mpXpK)

248
227 Everyone remember to Comment on OregonMuse's old Post so she knows we read it.

Posted by: garrett at May 23, 2018 01:00 PM (KereL)

OregonMuse is a man.

Posted by: Surfperch at May 23, 2018 01:01 PM (7PQBV)

--------------------------
Xe it is then.

Posted by: Juan Robertos at May 23, 2018 01:02 PM (5NMZN)

249 Actually, all sides of leftard feminism have the beauty of a massive rat turd. All surfaces are pure ugly, with an icing of stupidity.

Posted by: maddogg at May 23, 2018 01:02 PM (o2MD2)

250 I am not sure what exactly constitutes a feminist? Do you have to be a shrieking harpy to be one?

Posted by: IC at May 23, 2018 01:02 PM (a0IVu)

251 OK, who wants to lay bets on me being a twisted sexual deviant?

Posted by: Film Industry Male Feminist Scott Weinberg at May 23, 2018 01:03 PM (UiRxW)

252 246
Quest For Tea

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 23, 2018 01:02 PM (LNPd9)

Rae Dawn Chong?

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at May 23, 2018 01:03 PM (ymnmz)

253 some of us morons are gender fluid.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at May 23, 2018 01:03 PM (XO+cO)

254 194 190 Bailey Quarters or the receptionist?
Posted by: simplemind
that was Jennifer Marlowe, aka Loni Anderson
Posted by: Rick in SK at May 23, 2018 12:56 PM (FZYNt

I always preferred Bailey to Jennifer. Bailey looked like a real woman. Jennifer looked like like an artificial construct, i.e. fake boobs, fake lips, fake hair. Like a Barbie doll.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader & Contributing Editor, Vanity Fair Magazine at May 23, 2018 01:03 PM (8nK6H)

255 24 It isn't about women and hasn't been for a long time. Feminism is a lot like environmentalism. It is about communism (or post-modernism or whatever West-hating anti-Enlightenment group with which they identify this week).

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 23, 2018 12:34 PM (I2dne)

THIS.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 23, 2018 01:03 PM (lRwzc)

256

EM SHAMPOO & CONDITION FOADDY-FI!!!

Posted by: Maxine Waters' Hair at May 23, 2018 01:03 PM (mPeei)

257 243 Modern feminism is just a piece of the current marxist critical theory cabal that is constantly perpetuating endless conflict and tearing down of the institutions of western civilisation...

...also...

Anybody indicted yet?
Posted by: Kreplach at May 23, 2018 01:02 PM (UfMVm)

Not yet, thankfully.

Posted by: An Unindicted Ham Sandwich at May 23, 2018 01:03 PM (7PQBV)

258 The Pink Bikini?"

Striped.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 23, 2018 01:04 PM (7LY+6)

259 Jessica Valenti looks like a dude.

Posted by: Under Fire at May 23, 2018 01:04 PM (r9UYA)

260 250 I am not sure what exactly constitutes a feminist? Do you have to be a shrieking harpy to be one?
Posted by: IC at May 23, 2018 01:02 PM (a0IVu)

Who really knows.... Progressive definitions are... fluid... sort of situational... guidelines, really.

Posted by: kraken at May 23, 2018 01:04 PM (zSVEm)

261 Because if feminism means applauding 'anything a woman does' -- even hurting other women -- then it means nothing."

How about fetuses? Does hurting fetuses count?

How about female fetuses?

Posted by: rickb223 at May 23, 2018 01:04 PM (GWDdA)

262 some of these pop culture references make me wonder if everyone here really is 29.

Posted by: Quint at May 23, 2018 01:04 PM (n13/j)

263 No one going to jail over the attempted coup.
======
They sent people to jail over a hotel burglary. Half the country will not put up with getting walked all over, forever.

Some All
Most Some
Some None

Posted by: simplemind at May 23, 2018 01:04 PM (wFVlE)

264 230
MOUSE turds.

Posted by: Sister Mary Joseph at May 23, 2018 12:45 PM (CPk0
*hangs head in shame*

Posted by: DonnaV sez don't you dare walk the damn pitcher at May 23, 2018 01:00 PM (H80UQ)

If only Jessica charged me rent, I would be a little more disciplined in where I deposit my peristalsis sculptures.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared, Americans don't Serf at May 23, 2018 01:04 PM (DxWUs)

265 Bailey Jennifer preference . .. Ginger and Maryann go to work at a radio station

Posted by: 2009Refugee at May 23, 2018 01:05 PM (s3QPD)

266 >>Anybody indicted yet?

Posted by: Kreplach at May 23, 2018 01:02 PM (UfMVm)

You made a funneh and I laughed at it I did.

Posted by: Under Fire at May 23, 2018 01:05 PM (r9UYA)

267 >>>222 Did Markie Post sing with Meatloaf? Missus kraken heard " Paradise by the Dashboard Lights" the other night and cracked up... she loved the baseball announcer part...

No. There was a previous defense attorney on Night Court before Markie Post. THAT DA on Night Court sang on Paradise by the Dashboard Light.

The previous DA is not really super-cute.

Posted by: ace at May 23, 2018 01:05 PM (8rNrN)

268 I'm going to disagree that feminists are using a Mott and Bailey tactic.

Rather, I think it's more about retaining an excuse for the continued existence of the feminist movement.

Pretty much all of the battles have been won, real or imaginary and now it's time to look for new dragons to slay.

Hence, the othering of Conservative women while moving the goalposts of feminism away from femininity and more toward leftist idealogy.

Posted by: blake - used bridge salesman at May 23, 2018 01:05 PM (c7Gww)

269 "Gender fluid" sounds like something trannies have removed as part of their transition.

Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at May 23, 2018 01:05 PM (MM3j3)

270 262 some of these pop culture references make me wonder if everyone here really is 29.
Posted by: Quint at May 23, 2018 01:04 PM (n13/j)

The Horde does seem to have a lot of free time...

Posted by: kraken at May 23, 2018 01:05 PM (zSVEm)

271 All this shit is just 'my treehouse!' tribalism, isn't it, really?

They're less concerned with the principles they think they are and more concerned with fighting the pre-conceived enemy.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 23, 2018 01:05 PM (oVJmc)

272 >>Striped.

We're gonna need a video link.

True Hollywood Fact : A young Adrian Zmed had to look at pictures of Hillary Clinton to tame his erection long enough to shoot that scene.

Posted by: garrett at May 23, 2018 01:05 PM (ZN8p6)

273 Because if feminism means applauding 'anything a woman does' -- even hurting other women -- then it means nothing."

By this definition, Hillary Clinton is in no way a feminist.

Posted by: 12 year old rape victim at May 23, 2018 01:05 PM (L3rL9)

274 Quark Fallopian Tube

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 23, 2018 01:05 PM (LNPd9)

275 I always preferred Bailey to Jennifer. Bailey looked like a real woman. Jennifer looked like like an artificial construct, i.e. fake boobs, fake lips, fake hair. Like a Barbie doll.
Posted by: OregonMuse

Bailey - Hawt

Jennifer - High maintenance

Posted by: rickb223 at May 23, 2018 01:05 PM (GWDdA)

276 I always preferred Bailey to Jennifer. Bailey looked like a real woman. Jennifer looked like like an artificial construct, i.e. fake boobs, fake lips, fake hair. Like a Barbie doll.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader & Contributing Editor, Vanity Fair Magazine

go watch the episode where they play the rival radio station in softball. Loni standing behind the pitcher making the opposition forget why the hell they were there. as a pre-teen, that left a lasting impression on me.

Oh and Bailey was equally as hot

Posted by: Rick in SK at May 23, 2018 01:05 PM (FZYNt)

277

If the leftist feminists are barking this out, it means conservative women's fight is working. It sounds as if the left is being pushed farther and farther back into a corner, or into a smaller box, to finagle the definition further.

It kind of means they are losing and needed a new strategy. I see women like Tami Bruce (spelling) say she is a feminist, but she's also conservative. Other like her saying they were a different type of feminist, so it is pissing off the left.

It's the left that are being forced to react to this. That's probably a good thing to hear.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 23, 2018 01:06 PM (fceHP)

278 some of these pop culture references make me wonder if everyone here really is 29. "

Metric years.

Or dog.

I forget which.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 23, 2018 01:06 PM (7LY+6)

279 How about fetuses? Does hurting fetuses count?

How about female fetuses?
Posted by: rickb223 at May 23, 2018 01:04 PM (GWDdA)

You must first ask whether or not they identify as female.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Sut In at May 23, 2018 01:06 PM (CPk08)

280 Hikaru, there is something to be said for the imprinting theory of sexuality. if the first person who gives a young boy attention is some nice girl his age, he'll be healthy and happy. if it's some Nambler, not so much. and if it's a feminist trigglypuff, there is a lot of soy in his future.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at May 23, 2018 01:06 PM (XO+cO)

281 That feminism means equal rights between men and women is utter horseshit now. It hasn't meant anything remotely like that in forever.

Better that conservative women describe themselves as feminine rather than feminist, because even when I hear a Trump girl label herself as a feminist, what I really hear is "Team Vagina, rah rah rah I hate men, kill all the men!"

It's the equivalent of me being a black guy dating a white girl who suddenly declares in total cognitive dissonance that she's a white supremacist. Nope.

Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at May 23, 2018 01:07 PM (+dsLj)

282 >>Because if feminism means applauding 'anything a woman does' -- even hurting other women -- then it means nothing."

Just a coincidence Valenti came out with this the same week Trump places the first woman CIA Director?

This is Valenti femsplaining how she and her ilk can crap all over Haspel, Sanders, DeVos et al.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 23, 2018 01:07 PM (W+vEI)

283 The left got away from liberal because they knew it was a loser.

The names of all leftist positions have to morph over time as people figure out what they actually mean.

See, e.g., "relief" --> "welfare" --> "AFDC" --> "EBT" --> ? "Negative income tax," maybe?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 23, 2018 01:07 PM (lRwzc)

284 No. There was a previous defense attorney on Night Court before Markie Post. THAT DA on Night Court sang on Paradise by the Dashboard Light.

The previous DA is not really super-cute.
Posted by: ace

or have massive sweater puppies

Posted by: Rick in SK at May 23, 2018 01:07 PM (FZYNt)

285 We're gonna need a video link. "

What, and loose every guy here for what, 15 to 20 min...er, seconds?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 23, 2018 01:07 PM (7LY+6)

286 Bailey was Hot.

Jennifer was Hot.

Bailey + Jennifer was Hottest.

Posted by: garrett at May 23, 2018 01:07 PM (ZN8p6)

287 279 You must first ask whether or not they identify as female.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Sut In at May 23, 2018 01:06 PM (CPk0

And if they pledge loyalty to the Communist Party USA.

Posted by: Hikaru at May 23, 2018 01:07 PM (WDCYi)

288 I do want to know why Hillary is endorsing Cuomo for governor over Cynthia Nixon.
I guess she was right that "many Americans" just aren't "ready" for women in power and are afraid to support them.

Item #21,345 in the file, "Questions the MSM Will Never Ask the Bitch."

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 23, 2018 01:07 PM (0jtPF)

289 I'd rush Baily's gap even if the Motte was full of alligators.

Posted by: f'd at May 23, 2018 01:08 PM (Tnijr)

290 286 Bailey was Hot.

Jennifer was Hot.

Bailey + Jennifer was Hottest.
Posted by: garrett

and you know Dr. Johnny Fever banged them both

Posted by: Rick in SK at May 23, 2018 01:08 PM (FZYNt)

291 There was another one before Markie Post?Now that you mention it I vaguely remember that.

Posted by: steevy at May 23, 2018 01:08 PM (LiyEm)

292 It's the left that are being forced to react to this. That's probably a good thing to hear.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 23, 2018 01:06 PM (fceHP)
I have to say, mostly all conservative feminist women are well put together and articulate. Which is more than you can say for the liberal feminist harpies.

Posted by: IC at May 23, 2018 01:08 PM (a0IVu)

293 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93EPWboX33M

It was too good to be true...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 23, 2018 01:08 PM (7LY+6)

294 I always preferred Bailey to Jennifer. Bailey looked like a real woman. Jennifer looked like like an artificial construct, i.e. fake boobs, fake lips, fake hair. Like a Barbie doll.
======
Aesthetically speaking. They had a different appeal.

One had all the bells and whistles and candy apple red paint job, a big engine and probably high maintenance costs. The other, less flashy but smooth and sporty with a throaty purr that under the proper scenario would unleash a howl at high speeds.

*wipes brow*

Never mind.

Posted by: simplemind at May 23, 2018 01:09 PM (1VJ59)

295 A very poor attempt to deceive readers by pretending to be Dr Krang. Astute observation (perhaps of the kind that immediately notes that Trump is feminine) would immediately detect the imposture.

Posted by: Dr Krang at May 23, 2018 01:09 PM (xC66j)

296 and you know Dr. Johnny Fever banged them both
======
Supposedly Gary Sandy did.

Posted by: simplemind at May 23, 2018 01:10 PM (KBtAS)

297 >>and you know Dr. Johnny Fever paid to watch Venus FlyTrap bang them both.

Posted by: Jeff Flake at May 23, 2018 01:10 PM (l9Ab7)

298 I wonder if this filthy scrunt considers Paglia a feminist? Or Hoff Summers?

They're liberals, but they hold very similar views of feminism to "conservative" feminism, and frequently defend the rights of men and boys.

And they're - you know - actually accomplished, unlike Jessica "The Scrunt" Valenti.

Someone should ask The Scrunt what she thinks of them. Are they "appropriators," too?

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 23, 2018 01:10 PM (UiRxW)

299 That feminism means equal rights between men and women is utter horseshit now. It hasn't meant anything remotely like that in forever.

Better that conservative women describe themselves as feminine rather than feminist, because even when I hear a Trump girl label herself as a feminist, what I really hear is "Team Vagina, rah rah rah I hate men, kill all the men!"

Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at May 23, 2018 01:07 PM (+dsLj)

If it makes liberal's heads explode, I find it entertaining.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 23, 2018 01:10 PM (fceHP)

300 269 "Gender fluid" sounds like something trannies have removed as part of their transition.
Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at May 23, 2018 01:05 PM (MM3j3)

I love Gender Fluid, it's delicious!

Posted by: SHEMP SMITH at May 23, 2018 01:10 PM (7PQBV)

301 @263

They sent Scooter Libbey to prison for mis-remembering a conversation with a reporter.

Sandy Burger got a tap on the wrist for stealing and shredding classified documents.

John Corzine straight jacked over a billion dollars and got off scott free.

Hillary Clinton, nuff said.

I would have thought at a bare minimum the findings of the McCabe IG report would have resulted in his being indicted but so far NADA.

There is simply no reason to not indict McCabe at this point, so I'm going to say this isn't happening, ever.

Posted by: Kreplach at May 23, 2018 01:10 PM (UfMVm)

302 288 I do want to know why Hillary is endorsing Cuomo for governor over Cynthia Nixon.
I guess she was right that "many Americans" just aren't "ready" for women in power and are afraid to support them.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 23, 2018 01:07 PM (0jtPF)

Her husband tells her how to vote?

Posted by: rickl at May 23, 2018 01:10 PM (xjiRE)

303 Bailey - Hawt

Jennifer - High maintenance

Posted by: rickb223 at May 23, 2018 01:05 PM (GWDdA)

I'd rotate both their tires, every day of the week, twice on Sunday, and come back for a wash and wax with a smile on my face.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner, INTERNET tough fry at May 23, 2018 01:10 PM (Dp6qK)

304 The other, less flashy but smooth and sporty with a throaty purr that under the proper scenario would unleash a howl at high speeds."

Oh my....

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 23, 2018 01:10 PM (7LY+6)

305 Abortion and all things related is *inside* the motte.

Posted by: Off the reservation at May 23, 2018 01:10 PM (vWMNq)

306 298 I wonder if this filthy scrunt considers Paglia a feminist? Or Hoff Summers?

They're liberals, but they hold very similar views of feminism to "conservative" feminism, and frequently defend the rights of men and boys.

And they're - you know - actually accomplished, unlike Jessica "The Scrunt" Valenti.

Someone should ask The Scrunt what she thinks of them. Are they "appropriators," too?
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 23, 2018 01:10 PM (UiRxW)

Helen Smith would rip Valenti's ovaries out.

Posted by: Hikaru at May 23, 2018 01:11 PM (WDCYi)

307 304 The other, less flashy but smooth and sporty with a throaty purr that under the proper scenario would unleash a howl at high speeds."

Oh my....
Posted by: Anon a mouse

anyone have a tissue?

Posted by: Rick in SK at May 23, 2018 01:11 PM (FZYNt)

308 282 >>Because if feminism means applauding 'anything a woman does' -- even hurting other women -- then it means nothing."

Just a coincidence Valenti came out with this the same week Trump places the first woman CIA Director?

This is Valenti femsplaining how she and her ilk can crap all over Haspel, Sanders, DeVos et al.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 23, 2018 01:07 PM (W+vEI)

And therefore, nobody of whom leftist feminists disapprove can be a woman, even if they self-identify as such. It's a wonderful power.

Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at May 23, 2018 01:11 PM (RD7QR)

309 and you know Dr. Johnny Fever banged them both
======
Supposedly Gary Sandy did.
Posted by: simplemind

>>and you know Dr. Johnny Fever paid to watch Venus FlyTrap bang them both.

Posted by: Jeff Flake

But Les was her gyno.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 23, 2018 01:11 PM (LNPd9)

310 274 Quark Fallopian Tube
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 23, 2018 01:05 PM (LNPd9)

QFT.

Posted by: eleven at May 23, 2018 01:12 PM (+lOpA)

311 Ok, gotta run...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 23, 2018 01:12 PM (7LY+6)

312
Similarly, Harvard now has a black only graduation ceremony, because their grandparents fought to end segregation or something.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 23, 2018 01:12 PM (r+sAi)

313 Posted by: Dr Krang at May 23, 2018 01:09 PM (xC66j)

If you are going to be a one-trick-pony troll then you are going to go bye-bye very quickly.

Up your game, or we will rat you out to Soros.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 23, 2018 01:12 PM (nZoO9)

314 "The previous DA is not really super-cute."
=====

Objection! I thought she was super-cute.

But I like that short-haired pixie elven thing she had going.

Posted by: Kensington at May 23, 2018 01:12 PM (zFznu)

315 But Les was her gyno.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 23, 2018 01:11 PM (LNPd9)

Poor f'n Les....

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Sut In at May 23, 2018 01:12 PM (CPk08)

316 >>298 I wonder if this filthy scrunt considers Paglia a feminist? Or Hoff Summers?

No. They're feminist takfir, apostates, counterrevolutionaries.

Posted by: Zod Faulkner, from at May 23, 2018 01:12 PM (Bdeb0)

317 Most people supported feminism when it meant women should be treated fairly and have access to the same opportunities as men. It lost most people when it became a Cult of Man-Hatred.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at May 23, 2018 01:13 PM (O7MnT)

318 OT: I'm hearing that some moron in judicial robes just ruled that #PDJT cannot legally block people from his Twitter feed.

If, here's the summary, for those keeping score...

Twitter, a private company, shadowbanning anyone to the right of Mao from their platform? Totes Constitutional and protected by #1A

POTUS, using organic capabilities available to all Twitter subscribers, blocking people from viewing his feed? Totes UNconstitutional and NOT protected by #1A

They really are spoiling for Blue-v-Grey 2.0 aren't they

Posted by: DocJ at May 23, 2018 01:13 PM (wzkM8)

319 Markie Post - Big hair and big tits

Posted by: Rick in SK at May 23, 2018 01:13 PM (FZYNt)

320 One had all the bells and whistles and candy apple red paint job, a big engine and probably high maintenance costs. The other, less flashy but smooth and sporty with a throaty purr that under the proper scenario would unleash a howl at high speeds.

Jennifer - Big Daddy Don Garlit's Top Fuel Rail Dragster

Bailey - 1969 GTO with His-n-Hers gears.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 23, 2018 01:13 PM (GWDdA)

321 is this the real Dr Krang or is it a moron joking about Krang's tiresome pseudomedical posting style? if the latter, he's brilliant.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at May 23, 2018 01:14 PM (XO+cO)

322 294 I always preferred Bailey to Jennifer. Bailey looked like a real woman. Jennifer looked like like an artificial construct, i.e. fake boobs, fake lips, fake hair. Like a Barbie doll.
======
Aesthetically speaking. They had a different appeal.

One had all the bells and whistles and candy apple red paint job, a big engine and probably high maintenance costs. The other, less flashy but smooth and sporty with a throaty purr that under the proper scenario would unleash a howl at high speeds.

*wipes brow*

Never mind.
Posted by: simplemind at May 23, 2018 01:09 PM (1VJ59)

I think the air conditioning in my office broke.

Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at May 23, 2018 01:14 PM (RD7QR)

323 Richard Moll was the Bailey.

Posted by: eleven at May 23, 2018 01:15 PM (+lOpA)

324 According to IMDB there were a few before Markie Post .They wanted her from the beginning but she was committed to The Fall Guy.

Posted by: steevy at May 23, 2018 01:15 PM (LiyEm)

325
Bailey was the one most likely to shave her head and dawn a pussyhat

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 23, 2018 01:15 PM (10vO4)

326 I think the air conditioning in my office broke.
Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at May 23, 2018 01:14 PM (RD7QR)

Is it leaking fluid?

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Sut In at May 23, 2018 01:15 PM (CPk08)

327 Honey, get back to me when you're flying F-18's.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 23, 2018 01:16 PM (YOW17)

328 321 is this the real Dr Krang or is it a moron joking about Krang's tiresome pseudomedical posting style? if the latter, he's brilliant.
Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at May 23, 2018 01:14 PM (XO+cO)

Clearly you've failed to understand the very clearly feminine nature of Trump's trysts, which are obviously the feminine manifestation of a feminine nature and totally not anything to do with the testosterone that I so desperately lack and desire, and IT'S NOT FAIR NOT FAIR!!!!

Posted by: Dr. Klang at May 23, 2018 01:16 PM (RD7QR)

329 >>and you know ~~Dr. Johnny Fever~~ Herb paid to watch Venus FlyTrap bang them both.

Fixed it for you.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 23, 2018 01:16 PM (GWDdA)

330 I think the Arabic for some one called out to be a kafir is mutakaffir. takfir is the act of calling one out.

Semitic languages are fun that way.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at May 23, 2018 01:16 PM (XO+cO)

331 oh, I'm not sure the first public defender (sorry, I said "DA") sang on the record Paradise by the Dashboard Light. I believe she *toured* with Meatloaf, singing that part, but I don't know if she sang on the recorded version.

Posted by: ace at May 23, 2018 01:16 PM (8rNrN)

332
328 321 is this the real Dr Krang or is it a moron joking about Krang's tiresome pseudomedical posting style? if the latter, he's brilliant.
Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at May 23, 2018 01:14 PM (XO+cO)

Clearly you've failed to understand the very clearly feminine nature of Trump's trysts, which are obviously the feminine manifestation of a feminine nature and totally not anything to do with the testosterone that I so desperately lack and desire, and IT'S NOT FAIR NOT FAIR!!!!

Posted by: Dr. Klang at May 23, 2018 01:16 PM (RD7QR)

Don't blame me; I voted for Kodos.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Purify Your Politics with Cleansing Fire! AtC Brand Flammenwerfers @ the Outrage Outlet at May 23, 2018 01:16 PM (hLRSq)

333 y3aQB / evilpens / evilinc, if you don't want to be treated like a poo flinging monkey, quit flinging poo. also the new sock is not doing you favours.
Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at May 23, 2018 01:00 PM (XO+cO)
+++++
Once again Inspector closeau you forgot MISH McConnell & others

Posted by: NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN at May 23, 2018 01:17 PM (y3aQB)

334 Bailey - Hawt

Jennifer - High maintenance
Posted by: rickb223 at May 23, 2018 01:05 PM (GWDdA)

Exactly.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader & Contributing Editor, Vanity Fair Magazine at May 23, 2018 01:17 PM (htCxB)

335 I'm sure everyone has said this but since when has that stopped me.

It's similar to the fights over who is the RINO. Bill Kristol and Jonah Goldberg and Kevin Williamson and David French, et al, ad nauseum think they are the ones who get to define what being a Republican means and shun the unbelievers! By contrast, I believe that I should have a say in that as well by which I mean saying hey here's the Republican platform it would be nice if you enacted some of it.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at May 23, 2018 01:17 PM (mf5HN)

336 I like how Valenti thinks women such as Gina Haspel *owes* her for her success:

Women like Gina Haspel and Suzanne Scott have certainly benefited from the movement; without feminism, they very likely wouldn't have the jobs they have now. But taking advantage of feminist wins does not make someone a feminist. This is doubly true if you're working toward limiting women's rights, as the Trump administration does.

Oh f#$@ off, lady!

Posted by: Lizzy at May 23, 2018 01:17 PM (W+vEI)

337 Super-dee-doper femnazi Hillary will be at Harvard to accept her ridiculous "award" and one can imagine the bile that will come out of her maw.

Posted by: Cheri at May 23, 2018 01:17 PM (oiNtH)

338 I am responsible for derailing this thread.

Posted by: steevy at May 23, 2018 01:18 PM (LiyEm)

339 This is due to the leftwing feminists' dishonest use of the "Motte and Bailey" tactic in propaganda.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 12:38 PM

Is there any sort of 'honest' use of Motte and Bailey?

Posted by: Surfperch at May 23, 2018 01:18 PM (7PQBV)

340 Jennifer - Big Daddy Don Garlit's Top Fuel Rail Dragster

Bailey - 1969 GTO with His-n-Hers gears.
Posted by: rickb223
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No reverse lock-out in the rail.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 23, 2018 01:18 PM (YOW17)

341 302---Her husband tells her how to vote?
Posted by: rickl at May 23, 2018 01:10 PM (xjiRE)
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Hah!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 23, 2018 01:18 PM (0jtPF)

342 337 Super-dee-doper femnazi Hillary will be at Harvard to accept her ridiculous "award" and one can imagine the bile that will come out of her maw.
Posted by: Cheri at May 23, 2018 01:17 PM (oiNtH)

The more she talks the better.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at May 23, 2018 01:19 PM (CPk08)

343 Thanks for the info..... " Paradise by the Dashboard Light" is excellent.... Meatloaf was really very talented.... I guess he's still alive... saw him in Fight Club... which was a really bizarre role..

Posted by: kraken at May 23, 2018 01:19 PM (zSVEm)

344 Leftism seems to contain a strong strain of gnosticism. There is the public teachings that they espouse to outsiders, and more radical internal teachings that are only discussed among the initiated.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at May 23, 2018 01:19 PM (AT2jV)

345 Is there any sort of 'honest' use of Motte and Bailey?
Posted by: Surfperch at May 23, 2018 01:18 PM (7PQBV)

Defending against Vikings.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at May 23, 2018 01:19 PM (CPk08)

346 Oh f#$@ off, lady!

Posted by: Lizzy

I second that. No mention of serious educational studies, hard work up the ladder, and maintaining professionalism with well earned advancements.

Posted by: Cheri at May 23, 2018 01:19 PM (oiNtH)

347 Similarly, Harvard now has a black only graduation ceremony, because their grandparents fought to end segregation or something.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 23, 2018 01:12 PM (r+sAi)

Nothing bespeaks opposition to segregation quite like having a separate graduation ceremony.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 23, 2018 01:19 PM (lRwzc)

348 what's the award for? upper class twat of the year?

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at May 23, 2018 01:19 PM (XO+cO)

349 343 Thanks for the info..... " Paradise by the Dashboard Light" is excellent.... Meatloaf was really very talented.... I guess he's still alive... saw him in Fight Club... which was a really bizarre role..
Posted by: kraken

He was great in Leap of Faith

Posted by: Rick in SK at May 23, 2018 01:20 PM (FZYNt)

350 It always bemuses me that Feminism is the antithesis of feminine.

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at May 23, 2018 01:20 PM (hMwEB)

351 342 The more she talks the better.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at May 23, 2018 01:19 PM (CPk0

I'm impatiently waiting for Robo-Hillary's speech synthesizer to glitch out and make her sound like T-Pain trying to sing Scatman.

Posted by: Hikaru at May 23, 2018 01:20 PM (WDCYi)

352 Day of Toxic Shock for all feminists when?

Posted by: Monk at May 23, 2018 01:20 PM (+YMDZ)

353 Nood, foosball.

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at May 23, 2018 01:20 PM (xQfPr)

354 >>Meatloaf was really very talented.

True Fact : My cousin was his Manager.

Posted by: garrett at May 23, 2018 01:20 PM (KNvSz)

355
331 oh, I'm not sure the first public defender (sorry, I said "DA") sang on the record Paradise by the Dashboard Light. I believe she *toured* with Meatloaf, singing that part, but I don't know if she sang on the recorded version.

Posted by: ace at May 23, 2018 01:16 PM (8rNrN)

Another thing is that even if she toured doesn't mean she was singing it. Meatloaf toured more as a "performance" and I think a lot of times the female "singing" partner on stage with him was just lip syncing.

Posted by: buzzion at May 23, 2018 01:20 PM (cAnNx)

356 269 "Gender fluid" sounds like something trannies have removed as part of their transition.

as with most fluids, it is checked by removing the dipstick.

Posted by: Anachronda at May 23, 2018 01:20 PM (sGtp+)

357 I am Grey.
I stand between the Candle and the Star.

We are Grey.
We stand between the Darkness and the Light.

Posted by: Fox2! at May 23, 2018 01:20 PM (n6pAK)

358 352 Day of Toxic Shock for all feminists when?
Posted by: Monk at May 23, 2018 01:20 PM (+YMDZ)

They leave in their tampons too long, innit?

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at May 23, 2018 01:20 PM (CPk08)

359 I like how Valenti thinks women such as Gina Haspel *owes* her for her success:

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Send an invoice and they'll get back to you.

Swearsies.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Purify Your Politics with Cleansing Fire! AtC Brand Flammenwerfers @ the Outrage Outlet at May 23, 2018 01:20 PM (hLRSq)

360 nood

Posted by: runner at May 23, 2018 01:20 PM (bUjCl)

361 343 Thanks for the info..... " Paradise by the Dashboard Light" is excellent.... Meatloaf was really very talented.... I guess he's still alive... saw him in Fight Club... which was a really bizarre role..
Posted by: kraken at May 23, 2018 01:19 PM (zSVEm)

The thing with Meatloaf is that he did a lot of Jim Steinman songs...

...and Jim Steinman songs all sound the same no matter WHO sings them.

Posted by: Hikaru at May 23, 2018 01:20 PM (WDCYi)

362 337 Super-dee-doper femnazi Hillary will be at Harvard to accept her ridiculous "award" and one can imagine the bile that will come out of her maw.

Would love nothing more than for her to be on the tube every day from Labor Day to the mid-terms. Unhinged, ranting, bitter, nonsensical, and absolutely sucking the oxygen out of the Democrats.

Posted by: DocJ at May 23, 2018 01:21 PM (wzkM8)

363 302---Her husband tells her how to vote?
Posted by: rickl at May 23, 2018 01:10 PM (xjiRE)

Her husband told her to run for President!

Unfortunately her campaign(s) were the electoral equivalent of parallel parking.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 23, 2018 01:21 PM (lRwzc)

364 Just one exhibit of Trump feminine behaviors: consider the feminine grooming behavior of Macron. A quintessentially feminine gesture (Trump) towards a masculine figure.

Posted by: Dr Krang at May 23, 2018 01:21 PM (xC66j)

365 Perhaps related, and perhaps with some better term for the situation. Perhaps "double-teaming", or the like.

There seems to be a multi-pronged offensive from the left on the right, particularly in regards to double-plus-bad-think. Doesn't matter what it is, simply saying anything can be 2x+vThink. Some hate mob quickly forms on Twit-ter against the statement.

Now, what also seems to happen is that, when the victim or a supporter of this mob tries to counter, a new and separate group comes out attacking. Usually of a "How Dare You!" bent, claiming the high road while still attacking the victim.

Thoughts/ideas?

Posted by: Another Anon at May 23, 2018 01:21 PM (LZygN)

366 **** It's similar to the fights over who is the RINO. Bill Kristol and Jonah Goldberg and Kevin Williamson and David French, et al, ad nauseum think they are the ones who get to define what being a Republican means and shun the unbelievers!
Is this about Jennifer and Bailey?

Posted by: 2009Refugee at May 23, 2018 01:21 PM (s3QPD)

367 I have no doubt that Valenti would be thrilled to meet Super-Feminist Bill Clinton. An equal opportunity rapist and all around perv.

Posted by: Cheri at May 23, 2018 01:21 PM (oiNtH)

368 True fact: My head is so far up my ass that if I required brain surgery, the sawbones would have to access it through my upper intestine.

Posted by: Nurse Krang at May 23, 2018 01:21 PM (MM3j3)

369 >>Most people supported feminism when it meant women should be treated fairly and have access to the same opportunities as men. It lost most people when it became a Cult of Man-Hatred.

Sad thing is that is was always a Cult of Man-Hatred.
RS McCain's research of the early feminists' books and views show that it was always about hating men and the nuclear family, promoting lesbianism and Marxism. They just hid it better because there were legit equality goals to achieve.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 23, 2018 01:22 PM (W+vEI)

370 >>>Another thing is that even if she toured doesn't mean she was singing it. Meatloaf toured more as a "performance" and I think a lot of times the female "singing" partner on stage with him was just lip syncing.

could be but I think I remember a video of the touring show and it sounded pretty crappy ergo I think they were doing a legit performance, at least for that show.

Posted by: ace at May 23, 2018 01:23 PM (8rNrN)

371 But taking advantage of feminist wins does not make someone a feminist.
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Let's rephrase that, "But taking advantage of EOE doesn't make someone qualified."

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 23, 2018 01:23 PM (YOW17)

372 I'm a Grey.

I stand between the probe and the probee.

Posted by: The Greys at May 23, 2018 01:23 PM (pxOl8)

373 Yeah, the sales pitch vs. the piece of garbage clunker your stuck with.

The used car salesperson: Gloria what'sherham?

Posted by: simplemind at May 23, 2018 01:24 PM (e/jQt)

374 Would love nothing more than for her to be on the tube every day from Labor Day to the mid-terms. Unhinged, ranting, bitter, nonsensical, and absolutely sucking the oxygen out of the Democrats.

Posted by: DocJ

Totally agree. With her level of entitlement, I don't think she'll ever shut up - winning!

Posted by: Cheri at May 23, 2018 01:24 PM (oiNtH)

375 250 I am not sure what exactly constitutes a feminist? Do you have to be a shrieking harpy to be one?
Posted by: IC at May 23, 2018 01:02

No, it can hurt your overall score, but you can always make up points in the bitter and spiteful events.

Posted by: Clay, unimpressed with your wokeness at May 23, 2018 01:25 PM (U7cLk)

376 It's similar to the fights over who is the RINO.
Bill Kristol and Jonah Goldberg and Kevin Williamson and David French,
et al, ad nauseum think they are the ones who get to define what being a
Republican means and shun the unbelievers! By contrast, I believe that
I should have a say in that as well by which I mean saying hey here's
the Republican platform it would be nice if you enacted some of it.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at May 23, 2018 01:17 PM (mf5HN)

Not a single exemplar of Reagan's three legged stool would follow any of those guys. No business con, no foreign policy con, no social con, and for that matter, not libertarian-con. Those names mean nothing to me and no one is going to follow them.

Posted by: Quint at May 23, 2018 01:25 PM (n13/j)

377 I thought Kiki Dee did "Paradise by the Dashboard Light" but I could be remembering wrong.

Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at May 23, 2018 01:25 PM (RD7QR)

378 Super-dee-doper femnazi Hillary will be at Harvard to accept her ridiculous "award" and one can imagine the bile that will come out of her maw.
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"You love me...you really love me!"

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 23, 2018 01:26 PM (YOW17)

379 >>I am not sure what exactly constitutes a feminist? Do you have to be a shrieking harpy to be one?

Think the minimum requirement is support of abortion. That is non-negotiable.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 23, 2018 01:26 PM (W+vEI)

380 Another thing is that even if she toured doesn't mean she was singing it. Meatloaf toured more as a "performance" and I think a lot of times the female "singing" partner on stage with him was just lip syncing.

could be but I think I remember a video of the touring show and it sounded pretty crappy ergo I think they were doing a legit performance, at least for that show.
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Never saw the Loaf live. I have seen youtube videos and on many of them it sure doesn't sound like a recording.

Posted by: simplemind at May 23, 2018 01:26 PM (1VJ59)

381 Okay, so the original Public Defender on Night Court sang on the record, but was replaced for the tour (and does not appear in the video performance used to market the song):

"The woman's voice on the record is Ellen Foley, but she was replaced on tour with Karla DeVito. Their performances were sexually charged, but it was an act, as Meat Loaf was happily married. Foley has been in various movies, including Fatal Attraction, Married To The Mob, and Cocktail. She was also on the TV show Night Court until she was replaced by Markie Post."

Posted by: ace at May 23, 2018 01:26 PM (8rNrN)

382 This sort of rhetorical trick applies to many,many,many arguments coming from the left. (we do it too but not often and when it does happen, we often call it out and call a spade a spade)

Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at May 23, 2018 01:27 PM (0OmEj)

383 >>>377 I thought Kiki Dee did "Paradise by the Dashboard Light" but I could be remembering wrong.

Definitely wrong. You may be mistaking the tour singer Karla DeVito with Kiki Dee

Posted by: ace at May 23, 2018 01:27 PM (8rNrN)

384 Over at Oregon Muse's linked post, there's this statement that represents even further retreat into the castle:

"Feminism is the radical proposition that women are people, too."

Posted by: m at May 23, 2018 01:29 PM (0bRDi)

385 The important thing is to try to avoid that ourselves when we are arguing or thinking through things. Its easy to do, and its fairly effective against a moderate or uncritical thinker.

Gun control, do we use this? Maybe. The motte would be "self defense is a constitutional right" but the bailey could be "suppressors, bump stocks, automatic weapons, open carry."

Remember, the Bailey isn't necessarily false positions, only positions that are not shared by many people. So suppressors and open carry aren't bad things, just things most people aren't willing to sign on for when they consider self defense.

So if someone says "that's crazy, nobody needs a bump stock" into the motte you go with "SECOND AMENDMENT!"

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 23, 2018 01:29 PM (39g3+)

386 Gaaaah, I was just ranting about the social/political nonsense with prohibition and the social sin du jour. https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/297488/

Do you think the lefties read this stuff?

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 23, 2018 01:29 PM (MIKMs)

387 "Feminism is the radical proposition that women are people, too."
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Canineism is the radical proposition that dogs are mammals too.

Posted by: simplemind at May 23, 2018 01:30 PM (V435w)

388 the tv sitcom Just Shoot Me named an episode "Paradise by the dashboard light". I guess they were fans.

Posted by: Quint at May 23, 2018 01:31 PM (n13/j)

389 Remember, the Bailey isn't necessarily false positions, only positions that are not shared by many people.
=========\
You said Bailey and positions in the same sentence.

Heh heh.

Posted by: Bevis at May 23, 2018 01:32 PM (liOer)

390 I pray these harpies will be gives a most prominent position in the DemonRat party. With more speaking. They and their ilk are how we got Trump.

Posted by: maddogg at May 23, 2018 01:33 PM (o2MD2)

391 I identify as a feminist which makes me one. Now go make me a sammich.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn DA 1977 at May 23, 2018 01:33 PM (kfcYC)

392 I identify as a feminist which makes me one. Now go make me a sammich.
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Say, aren't you the former AG of the state of NY?

Posted by: simplemind at May 23, 2018 01:34 PM (PtSCP)

393 328 321 is this the real Dr Krang or is it a moron joking about Krang's tiresome pseudomedical posting style? if the latter, he's brilliant.
Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at May 23, 2018 01:14 PM (XO+cO)

Clearly you've failed to understand the very clearly feminine nature of Trump's trysts, which are obviously the feminine manifestation of a feminine nature and totally not anything to do with the testosterone that I so desperately lack and desire, and IT'S NOT FAIR NOT FAIR!!!!
Posted by: Dr. Klang at May 23, 2018 01:16 PM (RD7QR)

I think we've just founcdMary Cloggenstein's long lost cousin!

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at May 23, 2018 01:35 PM (di1hb)

394 Feminism's biggest problem is the same one that almost all of the left faces: they succeeded in accomplishing their sane, proper goals.

Once you do this, once you get the general public to stop treating women like children, or minorities like sub humans you don't want around, etc, you have a choice: declare victory and move on..

...or find more to complain about in order to maintain your power, position, and the money given you to fight with.

They almost NEVER take that first more honorable and honest option.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 23, 2018 01:35 PM (39g3+)

395 Say, aren't you the former AG of the state of NY?
Posted by: simplemind at May 23, 2018 01:34 PM (PtSCP)

Is that the one who didn't prosecute the sex cult?

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at May 23, 2018 01:35 PM (72PAC)

396 The important thing is to try to avoid that
ourselves when we are arguing or thinking through things. Its easy to
do, and its fairly effective against a moderate or uncritical thinker.

Gun control, do we use this? Maybe. The motte would be "self
defense is a constitutional right" but the bailey could be "suppressors,
bump stocks, automatic weapons, open carry."

Remember, the Bailey isn't necessarily false positions, only
positions that are not shared by many people. So suppressors and open
carry aren't bad things, just things most people aren't willing to sign
on for when they consider self defense.

So if someone says "that's crazy, nobody needs a bump stock" into the motte you go with "SECOND AMENDMENT!"

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 23, 2018 01:29 PM (39g3+)

When I read Ace's post, I was thinking the gun control argument the whole time. That is really a Motte and Bailey maneuver. First they say "we are not after your guns", but when they think the ground is fertile, they send a trial balloon of "yes we ARE after your guns".

Posted by: Quint at May 23, 2018 01:35 PM (n13/j)

397 Just in: Judge rules that Trump cannot block people on Twitter.

Ridiculous

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 23, 2018 01:38 PM (39g3+)

398 Say, aren't you the former AG of the state of NY?
Posted by: simplemind at May 23, 2018 01:34 PM (PtSCP)

Is that the one who didn't prosecute the sex cult?
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It is truly amazing what these so called enlightened women will put up with for the sake of politics. No wonder they are so desperately unhappy. Guilt Shame and Recriminations its what you eat every day as a liberal.

Posted by: simplemind at May 23, 2018 01:38 PM (5ETV3)

399 I'm a second amendment absolutist "The right of the people to keep an bear arms shall not be infringed" simple really. I'm not a nut about it. I can agree to the limits on "weapons of mass destruction" and long range offensive (over the horizon) weapons but short of that you better have a good argument. No double standards there just a reasonable reading of our enumerated rights. (natural and god given and codified by our founders)

Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at May 23, 2018 01:39 PM (0OmEj)

400 I can agree to the limits on "weapons of mass destruction" and long range offensive (over the horizon) weapons but short of that you better have a good argument.
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So a small cannon. Say a swivel gun mounted over the garage is okay?

Posted by: simplemind at May 23, 2018 01:41 PM (PtSCP)

401 400 I can agree to the limits on "weapons of mass destruction" and long range offensive (over the horizon) weapons but short of that you better have a good argument.
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So a small cannon. Say a swivel gun mounted over the garage is okay?

Yes, encouraged actually.

Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at May 23, 2018 01:42 PM (0OmEj)

402 I can agree to the limits on "weapons of mass destruction" and long range offensive (over the horizon) weapons but short of that you better have a good argument.
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So a small cannon. Say a swivel gun mounted over the garage is okay?
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I only ask because I am pitching a new show to to HGTV - its a home remodeling show targeted towards men.

Posted by: simplemind at May 23, 2018 01:42 PM (V435w)

403 >>Just in: Judge rules that Trump cannot block people on Twitter.

Ridiculous

Okayyyyyy - does this apply to all politicians?

Posted by: Lizzy at May 23, 2018 01:44 PM (W+vEI)

404 Just in: Judge rules that Trump cannot block people on Twitter.

Ridiculous

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The deep state really doesn't like his tweeting. Does. Not. Like. It.

Posted by: simplemind at May 23, 2018 01:45 PM (liOer)

405 Just in: Judge rules that Trump cannot block people on Twitter.

- - - -

Mwhahahahahaha!!

Posted by: Random Hawaii Judge #7 at May 23, 2018 01:49 PM (72PAC)

406 Logically, if the bailey (core) idea of feminism is the equality of men and women, then toxic masculinity has a parallel toxic femininity.
It seems to me that this very nasty idea actually came first, with a denial of the importance of women's work, e.g., raising children, caring for ones family and feminine values such as sex as an expression of love, not just momentary lust.

Posted by: Old Curmudgeon at May 23, 2018 02:01 PM (WVDww)

407 Not to ACKSHULLY you too much here, but the tower within the Motte is known as the "Keep." The Motte is the small fenced-in area surrounding the Keep.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 23, 2018 02:04 PM (xN1DB)

408 Wasn't Bailey that hot girl on WKRP?

Posted by: TexasJew at May 23, 2018 02:42 PM (ykeC6)

409 So, is feminism trademarked ?

Posted by: Sweden Meatball Team at May 23, 2018 02:57 PM (HtL8O)

410 Here I thought inclusiveness and diversity demands that we "EMBRACE THE HORROR" of all forms of feminism.

Posted by: Sweden Meatball Team at May 23, 2018 02:58 PM (HtL8O)

411 So the counter strategy should be?

Posted by: ahzoo at May 23, 2018 03:14 PM (wK745)

412 Motte and Bailey is a variation of "dual objectives" strategy. Always have two objectives, when the enemy defends one, go for the other. If they enemy defends bots they split their forces.

Posted by: ahzoo at May 23, 2018 03:16 PM (wK745)

413 Similar to Motte and Bailey is to attack and retreat to a conquered position, for example when gay marriage rights is the reinforced conquered position, LBGTQMZPLT + bathroom rights is the new terrain.

Posted by: ahzoo at May 23, 2018 03:22 PM (wK745)

414 This is very similar to "clown nose on, clown nose off."

Posted by: TheMascotArmy at May 23, 2018 03:32 PM (IAGvD)

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