Former Clinton Pollster Mark Penn: To Save the Republic, Robert Mueller and the Deep State Must be Stopped and Defeated

A sensible opinion, coming from a completely unexpected speaker.

The "deep state" is in a deep state of desperation. With little time left before the Justice Department inspector general's report becomes public, and with special counsel Robert Mueller having failed to bring down Donald Trump after a year of trying, they know a reckoning is coming.

At this point, there is little doubt that the highest echelons of the FBI and the Justice Department broke their own rules to end the Hillary Clinton "matter," but we can expect the inspector general to document what was done or, more pointedly, not done. It is hard to see how a yearlong investigation of this won't come down hard on former FBI Director James Comey and perhaps even former Attorney General Loretta Lynch, who definitely wasn't playing mahjong in a secret "no aides allowed" meeting with former President Clinton on a Phoenix airport tarmac.

No seriously, this is coming from Bill Clinton's former pollster.


With this report on the way and congressional investigators beginning to zero in on the lack of hard, verified evidence for starting the Trump probe, current and former intelligence and Justice Department officials are dumping everything they can think of to save their reputations.

But it is backfiring. They started by telling the story of Alexander Downer, an Australian diplomat, as having remembered a bar conversation with George Papadopoulos, a foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign. But how did the FBI know they should talk to him? That's left out of their narrative. Downer's signature appears on a $25 million contribution to the Clinton Foundation. You don't need much imagination to figure that he was close with Clinton Foundation operatives who relayed information to the State Department, which then called the FBI to complete the loop. This wasn't intelligence. It was likely opposition research from the start.

Note that Bill Clinton's former pollster is more skeptical of the Deep State's current story than alleged Bad Boy of Conservatism Ben Shapiro.

In no way would a fourth-hand report from a Maltese professor justify wholesale targeting of four or five members of the Trump campaign. It took Christopher Steele, with his funding concealed through false campaign filings, to be incredibly successful at creating a vast echo chamber around his unverified, fanciful dossier, bouncing it back and forth between the press and the FBI so it appeared that there were multiple sources all coming to the same conclusion.

Time and time again, investigators came up empty. Even several sting operations with an FBI spy we just learned about failed to produce a DeLorean-like video with cash on the table. But rather than close the probe, the deep state just expanded it. All they had were a few isolated contacts with Russians and absolutely nothing related to Trump himself, yet they pressed forward. Egged on by Steele, they simply believed Trump and his team must be dirty. They just needed to dig deep enough.

Mark Penn concludes that stopping Mueller isn't about party or politics or any particular president, but necessary to preserve the normal functioning of democracy itself.

Obviously, worth the read.

Richard Fernandez has previously written that we are now experiencing what we had long avoided in America -- a deadly fight of a King vs. another King (the current president versus the Deep State embeds of the previous president), and that this fight may change America forever.

He now elaborates on that idea, as he watches two scorpions with a death-grip on each other trying to kill each other before the other kills first.

The Deep State understands that either they must find some claim that Trump is a criminal, or else they'll be prosecuted for their own rampant criminal acts.

The invaluable timeline of the investigations compiled by Sharyl Attkisson seems to confirm what Lee Smith of Tablet Magazine has already suggested: that the roots of domestic spying predated the Trump candidacy. He notes that "Obama officials vastly expand[ed] their searches through NSA database for Americans and the content of their communications. In 2013, there were 9,600 searches involving 195 Americans. But in 2016, there are 30,355 searches of 5,288 Americans."


...

On January 20, 2017, "Fifteen minutes after Trump becomes president, former National Security Adviser Susan Rice emails memo to herself purporting to summarize the Jan. 5 Oval Office meeting with President Obama and other top officials. She states that Obama instructed the group to investigate 'by the book' and asked them to be mindful whether there were certain things that “could not be fully shared with the incoming administration."

In response to Trump's demand, Rod Rosenstein has asked the DOJ inspector general to review the possible infiltration of the Trump campaign. The hunters have themselves become the hunted. For better or worse, two major American political factions are trying to jail each other. The outcome of their struggle may determine not only who occupies the White House, but what future role the intelligence agencies play in public life.


The specifics of the individual accusations may be fake, but the struggle over the control of the bureaucracy is frighteningly real. Concern over the independence of powerful bureaucracies has long been paramount for a reason. The biggest problem with weaponizing intelligence agencies is it CREATES a pathway for the foreign takeover of the system. If a once hostile power takes over the White House and that president corrupts the agencies, an unfettered secret police will have the ability to remain in power indefinitely.

That seems to have been Obama's plan all along.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 03:55 PM




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1 Mark Penn!

Posted by: Ann at May 21, 2018 03:47 PM (e59uY)

2 I wanna know what went down at that 3pm meeting today. I bet there are no leaks on this one though. :-(

Posted by: Ann at May 21, 2018 03:47 PM (e59uY)

3 Wasn't Penn also a prominent member of Hillary's 2008 campaign team?


He may be pulling a Donna Brazile.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 21, 2018 03:47 PM (W+vEI)

4 When you've lost Mark Penn...

Posted by: dananjcon at May 21, 2018 03:48 PM (xqfqx)

5 Ummm and apparently I can time travel.

Posted by: Ann at May 21, 2018 03:48 PM (e59uY)

6 It is too late Mr. Penn. The Democrats have bolted their accelerator to the floorboards and have gotten on the mountain road. They are going to ride this one to a Trump-free future!


(So called because when they are in the flaming wreckage at the bottom of the gorge Trump won't be there.)

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Purify Your Politics with Cleansing Fire! AtC Brand Flammenwerfers @ the Outrage Outlet at May 21, 2018 03:48 PM (hLRSq)

7 Ann, please get out of Ace's time machine that he doesn't have.

Posted by: Muad'dib at May 21, 2018 03:49 PM (sjdRT)

8 Sinking ship, rats, some assembly required.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at May 21, 2018 03:49 PM (RoSgI)

9 Alright! 75th! Now I know what all the excitement,s about.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at May 21, 2018 03:49 PM (9BLnV)

10 Last week or so, Penn also wrote an article critical of sleazy stripper lawyer Avenatti, questioning who was paying him, etc.

Think people in DC are going to be following Brazile's and Penn's lead in trying to distance themselves from the Clinton slime machine.

Good luck with that!

Posted by: Lizzy at May 21, 2018 03:49 PM (W+vEI)

11 Mark Penn - double agent, 3-D chess, mind judo specialist.
I don't trust him.

Posted by: dananjcon at May 21, 2018 03:50 PM (xqfqx)

12 I just flew in from DC and boy are my arms tired.

Posted by: Preference Cascade at May 21, 2018 03:50 PM (ymnmz)

13 I read this piece and was amazed at the infestation of Obama Trolls in the comment section. Soros must be spending big to deflect Penn's point.

Posted by: Gumby at May 21, 2018 03:50 PM (2LelM)

14 I was surprised at the number of positive comments at The Hill. It's usually a liberal cess pool

Posted by: Greg61 at May 21, 2018 03:50 PM (W777x)

15 I think the biggest thing is that Penn acknowledges the existence of the Deep State.

Bill Kristol did one important thing - he tweeted he would prefer to be ruled by the Deep State rather than Trump.

I keep saying that the Deep State is like a bad Ludlum novel. And it is scary AF.

Posted by: blaster at May 21, 2018 03:50 PM (Z5y53)

16 Some novelist moron or ette could use all these events as fodder for a best selling political spy thriller. Its unbelievable. I don't know how Trump does it, a lesser man would have buckled under all this pressure.

Posted by: IC at May 21, 2018 03:51 PM (a0IVu)

17 Last week or so, Penn also wrote an article critical of sleazy stripper lawyer Avenatti, questioning who was paying him, etc.


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Getting ahead of the curve is always the smart thing to do. This guy is banking on Trump winning. It will be interested to see who else may follow. he may just be the canary in the coal mine.

Posted by: SH at May 21, 2018 03:51 PM (sX1BW)

18 I suspect Penn sees what I see - a Democratic Party that is quickly fragmenting into irrelevancy.

Posted by: Gumby at May 21, 2018 03:51 PM (2LelM)

19 Except the plan didn't involve the 'reset' button of having Trump get elected.
Hillary's job was to bask in being first lady, and finish off the Republic.

Posted by: DurnedYankee at May 21, 2018 03:51 PM (37IEG)

20 And he frequently appears on Fox so there's that.

Posted by: dananjcon at May 21, 2018 03:51 PM (xqfqx)

21
1 Mark Penn!
Posted by: Ann at May 21, 2018 03:47 PM (e59uY)

STEVE HOLT!

Posted by: Steve Holt at May 21, 2018 03:51 PM (WDCYi)

22 well, I wonder if damaging Obama's record wouldn't help the Clintons to regain control of the Dems. I still think she's going to run again in 2020.

Posted by: mallfly of the Lammermoor at May 21, 2018 03:51 PM (KxbBq)

23 I really admire the Chinese way of governing. And policing. And volunteering Republicans for organ donations.

Posted by: Emperor Of All The Americas, Barack Obama I at May 21, 2018 03:51 PM (LISuA)

24 I suspect Penn sees what I see - a Democratic Party that is quickly fragmenting into irrelevancy.

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Better to lead the new and emerging party than be the last vestige of a dying party.

Posted by: SH at May 21, 2018 03:52 PM (sX1BW)

25 Obama was a foreign power,a hostile one.

Posted by: steevy at May 21, 2018 03:53 PM (LiyEm)

26 If the "Deep State" truly is in panic mode, and looking for an easy way out -- I would hope Trump and prosecutors go after them Old Testament like. This is war. They must be excised like the cancer on our Republic that they are.And if laws were indeed broken, there better be people in shackles frog marched in front of as many cameras as possible. An example needs to be set.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 21, 2018 03:53 PM (jxbfJ)

27 Tsk, tsk....

Posted by: Jake Fapper, CNN Anchorette at May 21, 2018 03:53 PM (LISuA)

28 If the GOP hangs on to the House and Senate this year, and Trump wins in 2020, the fight might end up simply going on for too long in general.

The public won't care anymore, but they'll keep giving Trump and his party power, which will enable them to take greater hits on the deep state the longer it goes on.

If Trump wins in 2020, he could put forward some really strong civil service reform that pisses off a lot of the federal bureaucracy, and the public won't care anymore about their whining.

If the deep state doesn't win soon, it's pretty much destined to have a lot of its power strangled and potentially even some of his highest members cast out of power. Hell, we may be past that, if Rassamussen's reading of Trump's popularity is even remotely correct.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 21, 2018 03:53 PM (n9gGi)

29 Better to lead the new and emerging party than be the last vestige of a dying party.

Posted by: SH at May 21, 2018 03:52 PM (sX1BW)
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But, who the hell wants to be American Gorbachev?

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 21, 2018 03:53 PM (AzW6q)

30 Note that Bill Clinton's former pollster is more skeptical of the Deep State's current story than alleged Bad Boy of Conservatism Ben Shapiro.

Yeah just when Shaprio shows some sanity and clarity regarding Trump he slouches off into the investigation and believing all the wrong people. Its pretty sad stuff, that someone as bright and quick as he is doesn't see through this better.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 21, 2018 03:53 PM (39g3+)

31 >>Getting ahead of the curve is always the smart thing to do. This guy is banking on Trump winning. It will be interested to see who else may follow. he may just be the canary in the coal mine.


Brazile beat him by a year, but yes.
Then again, Brazile seems to be back to her usual Dem hack habits, probably because the MSM effectively buried her book about the Clinton Campaign-DNC shenanigans in 2016.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 21, 2018 03:53 PM (W+vEI)

32 Better to lead the new and emerging party than be the last vestige of a dying party.





Posted by: SH at May 21, 2018 03:52 PM (sX1BW)

Were we talking about Bill Kristol already?

Posted by: DurnedYankee at May 21, 2018 03:53 PM (37IEG)

33 Kanye and Penn live tonight at the Orpheum.

Posted by: dananjcon at May 21, 2018 03:54 PM (xqfqx)

34 "For better or worse, two major American political factions are trying to jail each other. The outcome of their struggle may determine not only who occupies the White House, but what future role the intelligence agencies play in public life."

And this, rightfully, is what Trump is likely after. So long as our Congress and courts are ruled by mountains of secret dirt and threats of career-ending leaks run DC, the people will never have the Representative Republic that we have naively presumed to have enjoyed.

At the end of this, perhaps major IC reforms are on the horizon.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 21, 2018 03:54 PM (Dp6qK)

35 If the end result of all this shenanigans is a credible non-conservative opposition party in America, I'll be a happy man.

There has to be an opposition party, but let it be one that more or less plays by the rules and isn't ashamed of the polity and culture it represents.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 21, 2018 03:54 PM (AURKQ)

36 When you take a shot at the king.

Do not miss.

Posted by: Tanner Boyle at May 21, 2018 03:54 PM (2wOtx)

37 23 I really admire the Chinese way of governing. And policing. And volunteering Republicans for organ donations.
Posted by: Emperor Of All The Americas, Barack Obama I at May 21, 2018 03:51 PM (LISuA)

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"Oh, he just loves America so much."
-The Press

"Tyrant!"
-Back in the 00s when Bush said something remotely similar

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 21, 2018 03:54 PM (n9gGi)

38 I like the description that Trump just called them cheaters like a scene in an old western.

And now things are deadly serious.

Because to make the charge-- even if you're right-- is to put your life on the line

Posted by: RoyalOil at May 21, 2018 03:54 PM (TN1P5)

39 I don't know Ace....maybe this is an attempt by the Clintonistas to focus blame on the Obama administration and deflect it away from her. She can't really be connected to official misconduct for the Obama administration's whitewashing of her crimes. That was all unofficial.

It's not like the Obamas and the Clintons like each other!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 21, 2018 03:54 PM (wYseH)

40 The Deep State understands that either they must find some claim that Trump is a criminal, or else they'll be prosecuted for their own rampant criminal acts.
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Congress and FBI/DOJ do this Kabuki theater time after time about wrong doing on various things but nothing ever comes of it.

Not this time. Ace is right. It's a death match.

Posted by: WisRich at May 21, 2018 03:54 PM (G0vdT)

41
To Save the Republic, Robert Mueller and the Deep State Must be Stopped and Defeated

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Funny. That Mohammedean Brennan just said the same thing about stopping Trump.

Posted by: fixerupper at May 21, 2018 03:54 PM (8XRCm)

42 Ready, aim...BACKFIRE

Posted by: wth at May 21, 2018 03:54 PM (HgMAr)

43 >>The invaluable timeline of the investigations compiled by Sharyl Attkisson seems to confirm what Lee Smith of Tablet Magazine has already suggested: that the roots of domestic spying predated the Trump candidacy

I've been telling you guys you really need to read the FISC finding declassified by DNI Coats, who not coincidentally is meeting with Trump right now, authored by the presiding FISC judge, Rosemary Collyer.

Obama's Intel community was spying on American citizens without warrants for years and giving access to the raw intel to people without security clearances.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 21, 2018 03:55 PM (/tuJf)

44 Even Mark Penn

Posted by: AoSHQ Stylebook at May 21, 2018 03:55 PM (QQ+il)

45 Has Mark Penn gone the way of Dick Morris? Or is he as others have suggested a rat leaving the sinking ship?

Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 21, 2018 03:55 PM (ujg0T)

46 This is nuts! Democrats should know dirty tricks should only be played in the last two weeks of a campaign, and never in the governing term itself!

Because the King will get angry and may eventually exert revenge.

Posted by: Rick Wilson's Republican Past Life at May 21, 2018 03:55 PM (LISuA)

47 35 If the end result of all this shenanigans is a credible non-conservative opposition party in America, I'll be a happy man.

There has to be an opposition party, but let it be one that more or less plays by the rules and isn't ashamed of the polity and culture it represents.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 21, 2018 03:54 PM (AURKQ)

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I'm still rooting for the Worker's Party of NY to go national and start fielding presidential candidates in addition to the Democratic Party.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 21, 2018 03:55 PM (n9gGi)

48 The Deep State is a manifestation of the UniParty. Trump has ended that relationship. So has Obama. The Swamp is overwhelmed with despair and doubt. These are dangerous times.

Posted by: Gumby at May 21, 2018 03:55 PM (2LelM)

49
Has Mark Penn gone the way of Dick Morris?

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No. Mark Penn is still relevant and we hear about him.

Posted by: fixerupper at May 21, 2018 03:56 PM (8XRCm)

50 Bill Kristol did one important thing - he tweeted he would prefer to be ruled by the Deep State rather than Trump.

Posted by: blaster at May 21, 2018 03:50 PM (Z5y53)


And the operative word there is "ruled." Monarchs and dictators rule. A democracy is "governed."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 21, 2018 03:56 PM (YqDXo)

51 It's a new dawn...it's a new day.....

...and I'm feelin' skeptical.....

Posted by: Jak Sucio at May 21, 2018 03:56 PM (Y9uH4)

52 Mark Penn is just taking dictation from Dan Bongino!!!

Posted by: Jake Tapper, cuckservative heartthrob at May 21, 2018 03:56 PM (EzdLW)

53 43 Obama's Intel community was spying on American citizens without warrants for years and giving access to the raw intel to people without security clearances.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 21, 2018 03:55 PM (/tuJf)

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Since Obama did it, it was constitutional.

Posted by: Random Hawaii Judge at May 21, 2018 03:56 PM (n9gGi)

54 OT/France - 3 cars with masked men opened fire on a group of young people. Of course, nothing is known yet. They weren't caught. Gee, what could be the reason? So sad.

Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 21, 2018 03:56 PM (JtfSK)

55 This is the logical end of the Long March Through the Institutions: turn the Institutions of Violence on the nation. And they have nearly accomplished their goals.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at May 21, 2018 03:56 PM (RD7QR)

56 6 It is too late Mr. Penn. The Democrats have bolted their accelerator to the floorboards and have gotten on the mountain road. They are going to ride this one to a Trump-free future!

(So called because when they are in the flaming wreckage at the bottom of the gorge Trump won't be there.)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Purify Your Politics with Cleansing Fire! AtC Brand Flammenwerfers @ the Outrage Outlet at May 21, 2018 03:48 PM (hLRSq)



I visualize Senatesluts Commielah Harris and Krissy Gillebrand having a Thelma and Louise ending.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 21, 2018 03:56 PM (ujg0T)

57 Is someone watching the smoke from the WH chimney? Is it white, or black?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 21, 2018 03:57 PM (Zdm89)

58 49
Has Mark Penn gone the way of Dick Morris?

another toe-sucker? Ewwwww...

Posted by: Jak Sucio at May 21, 2018 03:57 PM (Y9uH4)

59 I've been telling you guys you really need to read the FISC finding
declassified by DNI Coats, who not coincidentally is meeting with Trump
right now, authored by the presiding FISC judge, Rosemary Collyer.
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Read it! And really enjoyed watching the prosecutions of those who authored the FISC process violations.

Oh, wait...

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Vigilance Committee supporter at May 21, 2018 03:57 PM (LISuA)

60 I have thought for many months now that this isn't (just) a pansy-ass coup attempt against a properly elected president. This is an all-out death struggle. We have a problem in that in one body we have both a republic and a basically-autonomous bureaucracy that plays by its own (often extra-constitutional) rules and towards its own ends. When this is over, one will have the upper hand over the other.

For some time, the autonomous bureaucracy (the deep state) has had quorum power. The republic is trying to take it back. Best case, the quorum power moves back to the republic and the deep state is lessened. Worst case, the republic is defeated and the deep state ascends permanently.

I try not to be hyperbolic in everyday life, but I suspect this might be for all the marbles.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 21, 2018 03:57 PM (I2dne)

61 Penn, is building a back door for the Clintons.

Man, they are going to sleaze out of this.

Posted by: gNewt at May 21, 2018 03:57 PM (9YKBM)

62 57 Is someone watching the smoke from the WH chimney? Is it white, or black?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 21, 2018 03:57 PM (Zdm89)

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Green. They threw in a witch.

We're not naming names, but she was married to a president.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 21, 2018 03:57 PM (n9gGi)

63 If a once hostile power takes over the White House and
that president corrupts the agencies, an unfettered secret police will
have the ability to remain in power indefinitely.


That seems to have been Obama's plan all along.





Been saying this forever. The only thing standing in the way of a permanent "Party" acting like the gestapo and getting more and more power while punishing its enemies is that we turn over our exec branch often and we used to have some constitutional limits.


Had Hillary been elected, it the Great Experiment would have been OVER.

Posted by: dagny at May 21, 2018 03:58 PM (+xe3a)

64 Former Clinton Pollster Mark Penn: To Save the Republic, Robert Mueller and the Deep State Must be Stopped and Defeated



What is interesting to me is LIV don't believe the Deep State is real...they think it is a conspiracy theory. Ostrich...meet sand.

Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 21, 2018 03:58 PM (JtfSK)

65 57 Is someone watching the smoke from the WH chimney? Is it white, or black?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 21, 2018 03:57 PM (Zdm89)

It is bi-racial.

Posted by: Roy at May 21, 2018 03:58 PM (7n4KQ)

66 >>Read it! And really enjoyed watching the prosecutions of those who authored the FISC process violations.

I guess you missed the part about the IG opening an investigation into FISA abuse month ago. Well now you know.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 21, 2018 03:58 PM (/tuJf)

67 51 It's a new dawn...it's a new day.....

...and I'm feelin' skeptical.....

Posted by: Jak Sucio at May 21, 2018 03:56 PM (Y9uH4)


I can see clearly now Lorraine has gone...

Posted by: Johnny Cash at May 21, 2018 03:58 PM (W2YA6)

68 another toe-sucker? Ewwwww...
Posted by: Jak Sucio at May 21, 2018 03:57 PM (Y9uH4)
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Could be worse...

Posted by: Marv Albert at May 21, 2018 03:58 PM (AzW6q)

69 Mark Penn is just taking dictation from Dan Bongino!!!


Tapper knows all about taking dick and dictation.


Posted by: Tanner Boyle at May 21, 2018 03:58 PM (2wOtx)

70 17
Last week or so, Penn also wrote an article critical of sleazy stripper lawyer Avenatti, questioning who was paying him, etc.





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Getting ahead of the curve is always the smart thing to do. This
guy is banking on Trump winning. It will be interested to see who else
may follow. he may just be the canary in the coal mine.

Posted by: SH at May 21, 2018 03:51 PM (sX1BW)

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Was wondering that myself - could this be the turn of the tide?

Posted by: Publius Redux at May 21, 2018 03:58 PM (Fb9aZ)

71
It's not like the Obamas and the Clintons like each other!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 21, 2018 03:54 PM



CBD, it would be verrrry interesting if the "death match" / scorpion fight turned out to be between Clinton and Obama, not Trump, with Trump sitting back and enjoying the show.

Posted by: Hands at May 21, 2018 03:58 PM (EzdLW)

72 So, there's a chance of a joint Mattis & Pence vodka-fuelled tank rampage with artillery?

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Slavic Customer Service Rep. at May 21, 2018 03:59 PM (fA1SL)

73 Taking on corruption the government is very hard. Ask Thomas Cochrane about how that works out for you.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 21, 2018 03:59 PM (39g3+)

74 I'm gonna have to go ahead and just defer to Admiral Akbar,'It's a trap'.

Posted by: Eromero at May 21, 2018 03:59 PM (zLDYs)

75 If you think Obama is going to take the fall for the Clintons - heh. You ain't been paying attention.

It will be awesome if dog-eaters and Clinton Mafioso start going after each other.

Posted by: DurnedYankee at May 21, 2018 03:59 PM (37IEG)

76 Turf guerre?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 21, 2018 03:59 PM (Zdm89)

77 Richard Fernandez is so insightful. And it became King vs, King today with Trump calling out Obama in twitter. I don't think Trump plans to let TFG get away with his "no one is more shocked than me" shtick!

Wonder how Obama and Jarrett are now feeling about their decision to set up shop - their shadow government - in Kalorama? Might have been wise to be farther than miles from the WH.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 21, 2018 03:59 PM (W+vEI)

78 72 So, there's a chance of a joint Mattis & Pence vodka-fuelled tank rampage with artillery?
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Slavic Customer Service Rep. at May 21, 2018 03:59 PM (fA1SL)

I'll donate a case of Stoli if necessary

Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 21, 2018 03:59 PM (AURKQ)

79 72 as you mentioned before... it's not just the best way. It's the only way!

Posted by: Marv Albert at May 21, 2018 04:00 PM (AzW6q)

80 My guess is that Penn has been polling the midterms and doesn't like what he sees.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at May 21, 2018 04:00 PM (Fd8Ka)

81 DoJ is arguing that it is not part of the regular government, that it is not overseen by congress nor part of the executive branch. DiFi is tweeting this out.


This shit makes Hoover look like John Adams.

Posted by: dagny at May 21, 2018 04:00 PM (+xe3a)

82 I guess you missed the part about the IG opening an investigation into FISA abuse month ago. Well now you know.
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Loved that part too! Learning there is no difference between "investigation" and "prosecution" was enlightening.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Vigilance Committee supporter at May 21, 2018 04:00 PM (LISuA)

83 All this disgusting crap was part of the insurance policy that Strzok spoke of. None of these bastards thought Trump was going to win. Hell I didn't. This whole thing was "In case of emergency break glass". And they did. Their problem now is that Hillary didn't win and they are left without allies in the White House.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 21, 2018 04:01 PM (3c1uO)

84 But, who the hell wants to be American Gorbachev?
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 21, 2018 03:53 PM (AzW6q)
+++++++++
No one, and no one will be. What happened in the USSR will not happen here. The deep state is a cabal without a real head (or a hydra, if that is a better analogy). Can't cut the head off and shut it down like you can with an entire outgoing government *system* like the USSR. You can just try to strike as many nerve centers as possible and hope to kill off enough of the body that the republic can recover.

If there is any luck on our side, there will be many mini-Gorbies.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 21, 2018 04:01 PM (I2dne)

85 I think that, despite the official poll numbers and narrative, these people know that two scoops is more popular than they want to admit. I also think that they have figured out he's not the buffoon they were hoping he was, and that he is going nowhere. No impeachment. No resignation. No indictments.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 21, 2018 04:01 PM (39g3+)

86 Beehive rounds...will there be beehive rounds?

*humping ammo to the tankers*

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 21, 2018 04:01 PM (c/EDo)

87 25
Obama was a foreign power,a hostile one.

Posted by: steevy at May 21, 2018 03:53 PM (LiyEm)

20-30 years from now, history will not be kind to him.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 21, 2018 04:01 PM (jxbfJ)

88 78. A case? Well, what's Pence gonna have, then?

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Slavic Customer Service Rep. at May 21, 2018 04:01 PM (fA1SL)

89 57 Is someone watching the smoke from the WH chimney? Is it white, or black?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 21, 2018 03:57 PM (Zdm89)

...

It's not so much the color, it's the smell of burning hair and seared flesh.

Posted by: TexasDan at May 21, 2018 04:01 PM (yL25O)

90 >>My guess is that Penn has been polling the midterms and doesn't like what he sees.

My guess is Penn is a frigging idiot and he can see where this is headed, he has the ability to get out of the line of fire and he wants no part of it.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 21, 2018 04:02 PM (/tuJf)

91 It's been my observation that Everytime there's hookers, blow is somewhere near.

Posted by: torabora at May 21, 2018 04:02 PM (54Caw)

92
My guess is that Penn has been polling the midterms and doesn't like what he sees.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at May 21, 2018 04:00 PM (Fd8Ka)
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This. Exactly.The political tide has turned and the Democrats need this to be over before the riptide carries them out to sea.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Vigilance Committee supporter at May 21, 2018 04:02 PM (LISuA)

93 "we need an internal force just as powerful, just as well funded, as the military" paraphrased Obama

They tried to say that was AmeriCorps or some such. But an internal shadow-FBI/CIA is more fitting, and more like what we have. Funded by some oligarchs with their own private armies. With some general fund that can send billions (that we know of) to Iran in secret, that can run a ClintonFoundation that is not really a charity and never gets audited, but keeps collecting.

The coup has been ongoing and is still going. But it is not two kings fighting, it is one duly elected POTUS (and we the people) versus shadow oligarchs and globalists running a crime syndicate, even though they have noble sounding goals, I'm sure (if we ever got to see the minutes from the secret banker meetings where Hillary discusses the open hemisphere.

Posted by: illiniwek at May 21, 2018 04:02 PM (bT8Z4)

94 Getting ahead of the curve is always the smart thing to do. This
guy is banking on Trump winning. It will be interested to see who else
may follow. he may just be the canary in the coal mine.

Posted by: SH at May 21, 2018 03:51 PM (sX1BW)

***
Was wondering that myself - could this be the turn of the tide?

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At what point does Bill Clinton sacrifice his spouse to save his own legacy? And can it be done. If he had an obvious heir (Chelsea is not qualified), I'd say he could figure out how to do it.

Posted by: SH at May 21, 2018 04:02 PM (sX1BW)

95 My guess is that Penn has been polling the midterms and doesn't like what he sees.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at May 21, 2018 04:00 PM (Fd8Ka)
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Dude, I've had this feeling for awhile. I think the Dems/Deep State internal polls have showed them it's time to wrap this up...

That Mueller's already been ordered to stand down by the DNC.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 21, 2018 04:02 PM (AzW6q)

96
It's a new dawn...it's a new day.....

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Wontchew see things..... my wa-a-a-ay

Posted by: FOREIGNER!! at May 21, 2018 04:02 PM (8XRCm)

97 DoJ is arguing that it is not part of the regular government, that it is not overseen by congress nor part of the executive branch. DiFi is tweeting this out.
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Like my servers!

Posted by: Hillary at May 21, 2018 04:02 PM (c/EDo)

98 81 DoJ is arguing that it is not part of the regular government, that it is not overseen by congress nor part of the executive branch. DiFi is tweeting this out.


This shit makes Hoover look like John Adams.


Posted by: dagny at May 21, 2018 04:00 PM (+xe3a)


Whenever some whackadoodle cult starts talking like this, a visit to the compound by the friendly local office of the ATF isn't too far off on the calendar.

Posted by: reason at May 21, 2018 04:02 PM (W2YA6)

99 Let us devoutly hope that the flailing and thrashing of a dying deep state behemoth does not do much damage.

Behemoths are most dangerous when they are cornered.

Posted by: Lily-Twins -(please don't play like a bunch of wimmin this year) at May 21, 2018 04:02 PM (vivhj)

100 If the American people do not believe this is fixed by 2020, there will be hell to pay.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2018 04:03 PM (3eZPt)

101 How come nevertrumpers wont get this?

Posted by: muckrack at May 21, 2018 04:03 PM (RbR1e)

102 92 This. Exactly.The political tide has turned and the Democrats need this to be over before the riptide carries them out to sea.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Vigilance Committee supporter at May 21, 2018 04:02 PM (LISuA)

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"Listen, America doesn't care about Stormy Daniels. What else you got?"

"Well, an adviser once ate at a Russian themed night club in 1994."

"Shit...Can we just close up shop?"

"That would make the deep state look weak, sir."

"Alright, keep digging."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 21, 2018 04:03 PM (n9gGi)

103 Hang. Them. All.

Where is Vlad the Impaler when you need him?

Posted by: SteveOReno at May 21, 2018 04:03 PM (2sCft)

104 87 25
Obama was a foreign power,a hostile one.

Posted by: steevy at May 21, 2018 03:53 PM (LiyEm)

20-30 years from now, history will not be kind to him.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 21, 2018 04:01 PM (jxbfJ)



Really? Because history still likes to lick Marx's taint with enthusiasm.

Posted by: buzzion at May 21, 2018 04:03 PM (lKs2v)

105 Really strange this coming from Mark Penn, I had to do a double take when I first saw it.

As much as I want to believe maybe there's a few honest Democrats left, I have to wonder if there's some personal feud that has nothing at all to do with any of this.

Funny how a Democrat poobah labels it the "Deep State", I thought only Alex Jones believed in that.

Reminds me when Dona Brazile said she was scared for her life when Seth Rich was killed.

Posted by: Maritime at May 21, 2018 04:03 PM (lKmt3)

106 At what point does Bill Clinton sacrifice his spouse to save his own legacy?
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*?*

Jeebers. What legacy?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 21, 2018 04:03 PM (c/EDo)

107 I just keep thinking of all the additional corruption and bullshit if Hillary won the election.


God had to have had a hand in this.

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 21, 2018 04:03 PM (U+nHb)

108 >Behemoths are most dangerous when they are cornered.

Posted by: Lily-Twins -(please don't play like a bunch of wimmin this year) at May 21, 2018 04:02 PM (vivhj)


Frogemoths too.

Posted by: Muad'dib at May 21, 2018 04:04 PM (sjdRT)

109 "Go over, and, uh, wipe them, you know, like with a cloth"

DonnieTwoScoops to Mad-dog Mattis.

Posted by: DurnedYankee at May 21, 2018 04:04 PM (37IEG)

110 I think that, despite the official poll numbers and narrative, these people know that two scoops is more popular than they want to admit. I also think that they have figured out he's not the buffoon they were hoping he was, and that he is going nowhere. No impeachment. No resignation. No indictments.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

The fact that he has the popularity rating that he has DESPITE all that they've thrown at him stymies them. This worked against W. Trump has higher numbers than JEF did at this point.

As Bubba said, "it's the economy, stupid".

Posted by: Blue Hen at May 21, 2018 04:04 PM (L3rL9)

111 Remember also that the recruiter/spy that was "exposed" last week did dirty work for family Bush/CIA. He's apparently been sabotaging the electoral process for years with the blessing of both parties.

So Deep State has been maintaining deep corruption for, likely, longer than any one of us or our parents or their parents' parents have been alive. It's just a matter of how corrupt/incompetent/cowardly those elected to office have been along with them to keep these scandals hidden.

Trump is apparently the Kwisatz Haderach. He has survived the coup and is in the early stages of turning the apparatus around against itself. Just by being his own man with the support of tens of millions who have been searching for another way, Trump has become a killing word.

We are likely in historic times. SMOD, thy name is Trump.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at May 21, 2018 04:04 PM (H8S+R)

112 I saw Kanye, Penn, Brazille, and Morris at the Dingleberry in London, Summer of 09"

Posted by: dananjcon at May 21, 2018 04:04 PM (xqfqx)

113 Learning there is no difference between "investigation" and "prosecution" was enlightening.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Vigilance Committee supporter at May 21, 2018 04:00 PM (LISuA)

You do know that investigations usually precede prosecutions? Because it's sort of hard to get the judge to go along with a prosecution based on no evidence. They prefer actual facts, even if they are made up.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 21, 2018 04:04 PM (wYseH)

114 104 20-30 years from now, history will not be kind to him.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 21, 2018 04:01 PM (jxbfJ)


Really? Because history still likes to lick Marx's taint with enthusiasm.
Posted by: buzzion at May 21, 2018 04:03 PM (lKs2v)

===============

Still America's greatest president. Better than Lincoln, Washington, and FDR combined!

Posted by: Historians in 2050 at May 21, 2018 04:05 PM (n9gGi)

115 *humping ammo to the tankers*

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 21, 2018 04:01 PM (c/EDo)


Eh. Everyone's got their thing...

Posted by: dolphin-lover at May 21, 2018 04:05 PM (W2YA6)

116 CBD, it would be verrrry interesting if the "death match" / scorpion fight turned out to be between Clinton and Obama, not Trump, with Trump sitting back and enjoying the show.

Posted by: Hands
.............


I built that arena.

Posted by: Donny at May 21, 2018 04:05 PM (9YKBM)

117 yay, Ace lnows history!

"war between the states" isn't just a Virginia / Carolinas meme. the "American civil war" was in fact a war of some states against others - more like Britain against France. (although some states did conduct mini civil wars, like Missouri.)

a true civil war is Sulla v. Marius. those make the Late Unpleasantness look pleasant.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at May 21, 2018 04:05 PM (ZZmsG)

118 >>>Has Mark Penn gone the way of Dick Morris?
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No. Mark Penn is still relevant and we hear about him.


Hey, I'm still relevant! By the way, would you have time to talk about an exciting timeshare opportunity?

Posted by: Dick Morris at May 21, 2018 04:05 PM (ppaKI)

119 If the American people do not believe this is fixed by 2020, there will be hell to pay.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2018 04:03 PM (3eZPt)

2020???
You are a very patient and/or optimistic man.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 21, 2018 04:05 PM (z79tQ)

120 106 At what point does Bill Clinton sacrifice his spouse to save his own legacy?
-----------------------

*?*

Jeebers. What legacy?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 21, 2018 04:03 PM (c/EDo)

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Newt Gingrich's legacy.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 21, 2018 04:05 PM (n9gGi)

121 How come nevertrumpers wont get this?
Posted by: muckrack
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Cognitive dissonance.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 21, 2018 04:05 PM (c/EDo)

122 62
57 Is someone watching the smoke from the WH chimney? Is it white, or black?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 21, 2018 03:57 PM (Zdm89)



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Green. They threw in a witch.



We're not naming names, but she was married to a president.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 21, 2018 03:57 PM (n9gGi)

Have you seen what Bill looks like these days? He hasn't been the same since that house landed on his wife Hillary.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 21, 2018 04:05 PM (jxbfJ)

123 Published in "The Hill", which is encouraging. I'd hope other outlets will pick it up...but I have my doubts.

One way to get readers of WaPo and NYT to see it is to post a link in comments, for those wanting to do so. There are ways to get info to the left...we just don't employ them.

Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 21, 2018 04:05 PM (JtfSK)

124 At what point does Bill Clinton sacrifice his spouse to save his own legacy?
-----------------------

*?*

Jeebers. What legacy?

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Picture Bill Clinton endorsing Donald Trump in 2020. The last sensible Democrat before Obama took the party down. In doing so, Trump takes his focus off Hillary.

I can see it.

Posted by: SH at May 21, 2018 04:05 PM (sX1BW)

125 posted by: illiniwek at May 21, 2018 04:02 PM (bT8Z4)

Ayup

Posted by: dagny at May 21, 2018 04:05 PM (+xe3a)

126 DoJ is arguing that it is not part of the regular government, that it is not overseen by congress nor part of the executive branch. DiFi is tweeting this out.

Sounds like another Constitutional adumbration and/or penumbra, comin' up.

So apparently DiFi thinks there are now FOUR branches of government. Maybe she (or hubby, Leon Blum, busy cashing checks for that HIGH. SPEED. RAIL. boondoggle) are feeling some heat right now. DiFi in particular is hanging by a thread right now in CA, being challenged from the left in the upcoming primary (for which the CA Democrat Party refused to endorse her).

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 21, 2018 04:06 PM (YqDXo)

127 Still America's greatest president. Better than Lincoln, Washington, and FDR combined!
Posted by: Historians in 2050 at May 21, 2018 04:05 PM (n9gGi)

Who are Washington and Lincoln?

America began with FDR and was perfected under Emperor Obama.

Posted by: Historians in 2060 at May 21, 2018 04:06 PM (72PAC)

128 >>>Really? Because history still likes to lick Marx's taint with enthusiasm.


He had a conspicuous cameo in Deathpool 2.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at May 21, 2018 04:06 PM (ppaKI)

129 121
How come nevertrumpers wont get this?

Posted by: muckrack

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$$$$$$$$$$$$

Posted by: dagny at May 21, 2018 04:06 PM (+xe3a)

130 Remember also that the recruiter/spy that was "exposed" last week did dirty work for family Bush/CIA. He's apparently been sabotaging the electoral process for years with the blessing of both parties.

So Deep State has been maintaining deep corruption for, likely, longer than any one of us or our parents or their parents' parents have been alive. It's just a matter of how corrupt/incompetent/cowardly those elected to office have been along with them to keep these scandals hidden.

Trump is apparently the Kwisatz Haderach. He has survived the coup and is in the early stages of turning the apparatus around against itself. Just by being his own man with the support of tens of millions who have been searching for another way, Trump has become a killing word.

We are likely in historic times. SMOD, thy name is Trump.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at May 21, 2018 04:04 PM (H8S+R)

I always wondered how we ended up getting stuck with stinkers like McCain or Romney. I wonder no longer.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 21, 2018 04:06 PM (Dp6qK)

131 Always though The Tow Sucking Check Bouncers would make a great name for a band.

Posted by: dananjcon at May 21, 2018 04:06 PM (xqfqx)

132 As Bubba said, "it's the economy, stupid".

The bottom line is that people don't really care about all this pointy headed policy stuff, they care about what impacts them at home. The tax cuts and jobs coming back: that's what counts. They don't care if someone humped a porn star back when Cameron Diaz was cute, they don't care if someone minor part time worker in a campaign talked to a Russian, and they sure as hell don't care if some staffer talked smack about an old dying a**hole senator.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 21, 2018 04:07 PM (39g3+)

133 "we need an internal force just as powerful, just as well funded, as the military" paraphrased Obama

They tried to say that was AmeriCorps or some such. But an internal shadow-FBI/CIA is more fitting, and more like what we have. Funded by some oligarchs with their own private armies. With some general fund that can send billions (that we know of) to Iran in secret, that can run a ClintonFoundation that is not really a charity and never gets audited, but keeps collecting.

The coup has been ongoing and is still going. But it is not two kings fighting, it is one duly elected POTUS (and we the people) versus shadow oligarchs and globalists running a crime syndicate, even though they have noble sounding goals, I'm sure (if we ever got to see the minutes from the secret banker meetings where Hillary discusses the open hemisphere.


Posted by: illiniwek at May 21, 2018 04:02 PM (bT8Z4)
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This ^^^^

There was a reason Bill Ayers and his Weather Underground stopped throwing bombs and came back to society - they joined the University of Illinois! and started poisoning the minds of America's youth through the system of public education of teachers.

Whatever Ayers was and is, stupid he is not. And Ayers chose Obama as his tip of the spear to destroy America once and for all.

Thank G*d that Donald J. Trump was and is smarter than Bill Ayers.

Posted by: Boots at May 21, 2018 04:07 PM (EBwPV)

134 ... Trump is apparently the Kwisatz Haderach. He has survived the coup and is in the early stages of turning the apparatus around against itself. Just by being his own man with the support of tens of millions who have been searching for another way, Trump has become a killing word. ...
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at May 21, 2018 04:04 PM (H8S+R)
++++++++++++
First, I don't usually see Dune references. Well played.
Second, if you're right (and I hope you are) then turning the state's machinery against itself in fewer than two years will be one helluva fast turnaround - like slaloming an aircraft carrier. I am not *that* hopeful, but a man can dream. I suspect more that it was just injure the deep state to some degree.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 21, 2018 04:07 PM (I2dne)

135 >Trump is apparently the Kwisatz Haderach.



Cough.

Posted by: Muad'dib at May 21, 2018 04:07 PM (sjdRT)

136 Trump is stunningly good at politics. I always underestimate him, and I support him. The Democrats must have their heads spinning like they were subjects in a movie exorcism.

Posted by: A Better Politician than his politicians! at May 21, 2018 04:07 PM (LISuA)

137 Washington DC's Praetorian Guard.

The Praetorian Legion chose the Roman Emperor. Soon, the possible Emperor candidates would offer minor inducements to curry favor, like more pay (1.5X, based on the "fact" that living in the capital city was so expensive). Soon it became outright bribery and theft with the chosen emperor giving the ten times their annual pay and more.

One Emperor refused to go along. He was promptly assassinated.

The Praetorian Guard chose the Roman Emperor based on what he could do for the Guard, not what he could do for the Roman Citizens.

Sound familiar?

Posted by: rd at May 21, 2018 04:07 PM (4dz1m)

138 DiFi's own staffer was fundraising to pay Fusion. She's in it up to her saggy tits.

Posted by: dagny at May 21, 2018 04:07 PM (+xe3a)

139 I don't know why people think this is strange. Does anyone remember Donna Brazille?

She was tight with the Clinton's for decades as well as the former head of the DNC. She came out before the final Clinton supporter had finished crying over the election throwing Hillary under the bus for her cheating ways and there wasn't midterm poll in sight.

If you ignore the media and just look at the facts and you look who is in the White House this was always going to end in tears for the coup plotters. Those on the left who are in the know and have the ability are fleeing. Those who can't are going Slim Pickens and riding the bomb right into the ground. They have no choice.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 21, 2018 04:08 PM (/tuJf)

140 The Dems are used to playing against the Washington Republigenerals.

Trump plays to win.

Posted by: DurnedYankee at May 21, 2018 04:09 PM (37IEG)

141 a true civil war is Sulla v. Marius. those make the Late Unpleasantness look pleasant.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at May 21, 2018 04:05 PM (ZZmsG)


One result was that the Romans banned themselves from having cavalry.

I wonder what the US will ban itself from having at the end of this fight?

Posted by: Miklos, historian and all at May 21, 2018 04:09 PM (zCyNd)

142 Beehive rounds...will there be beehive rounds?
*humping ammo to the tankers*
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 21, 2018 04:01 PM


Hold my beer, I got this.

Posted by: Willie Pete at May 21, 2018 04:09 PM (ctuyM)

143 If a once hostile power takes over the White House and that president corrupts the agencies, an unfettered secret police will have the ability to remain in power indefinitely.

So the question is who exactly was behind Obama? Who put him into power?

Posted by: rickl at May 21, 2018 04:09 PM (xjiRE)

144 Are we to remain free men or submit? NO and HELL NO. Show no mercy Mr. President. Slay them and their wealth. Do not leave these rat bastards with any power. They will never cease the destruction of you and us. Go old testament on 'em. You are the Hammer of God. Destroy them.

Posted by: dynamo hum at May 21, 2018 04:09 PM (WX+x0)

145 Was watching The Crown last night. Lithgow's Churchill is fun to watch. I see many similarities to Churchill in Trump.


Not caring for the opinions of others about himself.


Sticking dogmatically to the rule of law.


Spine.


Basically an irascible hard to like person who seems to get things done.



Open Question on a scale of 1-10, how Churchillian do you think Trump is?

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at May 21, 2018 04:09 PM (ymnmz)

146 If you ignore the media and just look at the facts and you look who is in the White House this was always going to end in tears for the coup plotters. Those on the left who are in the know and have the ability are fleeing. Those who can't are going Slim Pickens and riding the bomb right into the ground. They have no choice.

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I'm calling it. Bill Clinton will endorse Donald Trump in 2020.

Posted by: SH at May 21, 2018 04:09 PM (sX1BW)

147 Good morning. Had a little blood-pressure-related adventure this morning... anyway, they gave me some medicine, discharged me, I fell asleep, and here I am at 3PM Central...

The specifics of the individual accusations may be fake, but the struggle over the control of the bureaucracy is frighteningly real. Concern over the independence of powerful bureaucracies has long been paramount for a reason. The biggest problem with weaponizing intelligence agencies is it CREATES a pathway for the foreign takeover of the system. If a once hostile power takes over the White House and that president corrupts the agencies, an unfettered secret police will have the ability to remain in power indefinitely.

This would explain why the OPM database was handed over to China and the CIA didn't scream bloody murder. It's amazing how noone even seems to remember it happened, and it was a far far worse situation than "OMG, the SMR just shitposted to facebook."

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at May 21, 2018 04:09 PM (bgE22)

148 This got Willowed from previous thread. And should I clean it up and publish it?

You see that misshapened girl there? The one hanging back lost in the crowd but still gawking at getting this close to her DNC gods? Believe it or not sleepers, she'll soon be one of those gods. But not in any usual way, no sirree bob.

Her name is Philadelphia Burke and Hillary is her hero and goddess all rolled into one. Can you grok that you zombie? She will soon enough because here come the two dark clothed men sporting the black sunglasses. The sound of her body hitting pavement is lost amid the cheers as one man holsters his TASER and nods.

Her lumpy limp form is hustled by those imposing men down the alley she'd been in and then tossed into a van like so much dead meat. But no she still lives as she bleats like a stuck cow in shock. The side door slams closed and she rolls on the floor as the vehicle accelerates.

Now here is where it gets weird you dead heads. She finally croaks out a word between twisted teeth and cleft lip but she can't move as Philadelphia discovers her hands are tied. "What?"

A woman enters her view with a not so charming smile plastered on a gorgeous plastic face. "How would you like to meet your goddess?"

Hog-tied and croggled, Philadelphia blinks in confusion as another "What" escapes her constricted throat. The false smile never falters but something in the eyes changes of the artificial woman even as a hand lifts up Philadelphia's chin.

"Oh we know all about your social feeds. And you Philadelphia Burke. Everything. We're going to do you a big favor, give your life a major upgrade where you can meet those you adore.. Does that sound good?"

"I guess."

The hand is stronger than it would seem and Philadelphia feels her hefty body being pulled toward the scary strange woman. "I'll ask again. Do you want a better life?"

Her chin is starting to hurt along with a back protesting at being held at such an odd angle, it hurts so much it makes Philadelphia's eyes water. Just to stop the pain she nods and whispers. "Yes."

Now ghouls listen close as we get to the really weird part of this story. Hang on with those talons as we veer far off course and miss the Twilight Zone.

The hand releases Philadelphia and the young girl falls to the van's floor with a thump which makes her body jiggle even more than the van's movements had caused. But it is a blessed relief not to be held like that. She finally regains her wits and breath to look up. "What now?"

Philadelphia blanches as the smile is no longer pretending to be nice, it is she decides a cold triumphant smile. That she has lost some kind of game and has no idea what it is.

The woman in what is obviously an expensive business suit merely waves a hand in dismissal. "Nothing to worry about. Just some minor hardware upgrades for you since you have a new job."

Philadelphia blinks in confusion, what new job. No one wants to hire her with all of her problems. "New job?"

The woman takes a sip from a glass and now gives Philadelphia a calculating look. "We are going to see what kind of actress you are besides all those MMORPGs that you are fond of."

"Actress?"

"Oh yes my little pet project. When I get through with you, you will be the perfect waldo controller for Hillary."

Told all you vampires it was weird.
*

*hat-tip to James Tiptree Jr.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at May 21, 2018 04:10 PM (kkyJg)

149 "The Deep State understands that either they must find some claim that Trump is a criminal, or else they'll be prosecuted for their own rampant criminal acts."


This is what makes this situation extremely dangerous.

These people know that if they can't bring Trump down, they are going to federal "pound you in the ass" prison. They'll do literally anything, from forgery to murder, to keep their money and positions.

The shit is getting real.

Posted by: Jwest at May 21, 2018 04:10 PM (/roJx)

150 I'm calling it. Bill Clinton will endorse Donald Trump in 2020.
Posted by: SH at May 21, 2018 04:09 PM (sX1BW)

All those rape victims would get suddenly remembered by the media.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at May 21, 2018 04:10 PM (72PAC)

151 So apparently DiFi thinks there are now FOUR branches of government. Maybe she (or hubby, Leon Blum, busy cashing checks for that HIGH. SPEED. RAIL. boondoggle) are feeling some heat right now. DiFi in particular is hanging by a thread right now in CA, being challenged from the left in the upcoming primary (for which the CA Democrat Party refused to endorse her).
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 21, 2018 04:06 PM (YqDXo)



What is really sad here is that the Moribund CA GOP could have rallied beyond one Senate candidate here instead of having "Amateur Hour" of five of them and perhaps finished second in the "Top Two" primary.

Instead we will have Old Guard Stalinist Commiecrat DiFi against Trotskyite Reconquista Commiecrat Kevin DeLeon in the general.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 21, 2018 04:10 PM (ujg0T)

152 >>Picture Bill Clinton endorsing Donald Trump in 2020. The last sensible Democrat before Obama took the party down. In doing so, Trump takes his focus off Hillary.


Billand Hillz have looked unhealthy the past few years. Will they make it to 2020?

Posted by: Lizzy at May 21, 2018 04:10 PM (W+vEI)

153 I posted earlier of a Baltimore County Police Officer shot in the head during a response to a suspicious vehicle.

She is now dead.
Over 200 LEOs have a huge area in lockdown, while looking for the four male teen/early twenties black male suspects.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 21, 2018 04:10 PM (EyPfd)

154 And the operative word there is "ruled." Monarchs and dictators rule. A democracy is "governed."


and in a Republic we are represented.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 21, 2018 04:11 PM (QQ+il)

155
Guys. Lets not be spiking the ball just yet.

One of Two things have to happen before the "criminality" of what happened gets any traction.

1. The Press needs to be leading the charge. And that NEVER happens against Democrats.... and certainly is not happening while Trump is President.

2. An insider.... somebody involved, has to spill the beans. "Yes, Senator. We were ordered to do the Code Red. And We were ordered by ." And.... they cant be minor beans. They have to be felony sedition beans.


Until one of those two things change the paradigm here.... nothings going to happen.

Posted by: fixerupper at May 21, 2018 04:11 PM (8XRCm)

156

EM BUTTERMILK HUSH PUPPIES FOADDY-FI!!!

Posted by: Maxine Waters' Hair at May 21, 2018 04:12 PM (mPeei)

157 So the question is who exactly was behind Obama? Who put him into power?

Posted by: rickl at May 21, 2018 04:09 PM (xjiRE)

The question is who does global redistribution benefit? We make a mistake by looking at ideology only. Who, what group with money and interests, would benefit most by the decline of the US and the redistribution of its wealth?

Posted by: dagny at May 21, 2018 04:12 PM (+xe3a)

158 The coup has been ongoing and is still going. But it is not two kings fighting, it is one duly elected POTUS (and we the people) versus shadow oligarchs and globalists running a crime syndicate, even though they have noble sounding goals, I'm sure (if we ever got to see the minutes from the secret banker meetings where Hillary discusses the open hemisphere.


Posted by: illiniwek
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Or between the Loyalists and the Patriots.

Posted by: Donny at May 21, 2018 04:12 PM (9YKBM)

159 Ace's take on Ben Shapiro is arguably a little to hard on the kid. I hear Ben is seriously considering transitioning and living his life as a man.

Posted by: Bill Kristol's Piss Boy at May 21, 2018 04:12 PM (PkIg+)

160 I think that after Trump won the election, he was quite willing "for the good of the country" to let the Hillary email shit slide.

After a year of this, I am sure that he is now "loaded for bear."

Posted by: JAS at May 21, 2018 04:12 PM (ii30j)

161 Basically an irascible hard to like person who seems to get things done.
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Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at May 21, 2018 04:09 PM (ymnmz)

I honestly find Trump very likeable. He says a lot of vicious things, but they're all directed against equally vicious people. He never "punches down" or picks a target out of the blue to ridicule or insult. And when he does say something mean, there's always a kernel of humor about it.

As far as being Churchillian? No idea. On a scale of 1-10? R.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 21, 2018 04:13 PM (AURKQ)

162 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 21, 2018 04:04 PM (wYseH)
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No need to get snarky. I think its entirely justified not to be crowing over the success of a legal process not yet in evidence. So far, this fight has been entirely political. Someday, maybe there will be a legal element to it (and I would welcome that with excited jumps and bubbling good humor). But, right now, JackStraw is way early celebrating success.

Posted by: A Better Politician than his politicians! at May 21, 2018 04:13 PM (LISuA)

163 138 DiFi's own staffer was fundraising to pay Fusion. She's in it up to her saggy tits.
Posted by: dagny

AtC eye level

Posted by: wrg500 at May 21, 2018 04:13 PM (Bdeb0)

164 If you ignore the media and just look at the facts and you look who is in the White House this was always going to end in tears for the coup plotters. Those on the left who are in the know and have the ability are fleeing. Those who can't are going Slim Pickens and riding the bomb right into the ground. They have no choice.
Posted by: JackStraw

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I want to believe that, but I also saw Lois Lerner walk out with her full pension.

And Eric Holder was gun running for Mexican Cartels. Guns that have been linked to all sorts of murders. Now he's running for President and makes bank as a race hustler.

And Susan Rice got a sweet gig on the Netflix Board of Directors.

The list goes on and on.

I hope though you're right.

Posted by: Maritime at May 21, 2018 04:13 PM (lKmt3)

165 Those who can't are going Slim Pickens and riding the bomb right into the ground. They have no choice.

At least he enjoyed himself

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 21, 2018 04:13 PM (39g3+)

166 I always figured CW2 would be sparked by Fed gun control and Texas/Oklahoma/Missouri telling them to fuck off but this shit is actually pretty scary. This is some banana republic shit that if not rooted out could end up going south really fast.

Posted by: DanInMN at May 21, 2018 04:13 PM (h5ffp)

167 145 Was watching The Crown last night. Lithgow's Churchill is fun to watch. I see many similarities to Churchill in Trump.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at May 21, 2018 04:09 PM (ymnmz)



That IS a great show, although many Americans will need Cliff's Notes about recent British History to follow it, from the premature death of Liz's father to the Profumo Scandal.

Thank goodness William and Kate have enough progeny and so Harry is getting to marry who he wants to marry. If only Margaret had been allowed that option.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 21, 2018 04:14 PM (ujg0T)

168
Picture Bill Clinton endorsing Donald Trump in 2020. The last sensible Democrat before Obama took the party down. In doing so, Trump takes his focus off Hillary.

I can see it.

Posted by: SH at May 21, 2018 04:05 PM (sX1BW)

Have you seen Bill Clinton lately? He looks like a preambulating corpse. I doubt he (or GHWB) will live to 2020. But Ruth Bader Ginsburg will.

Posted by: rd at May 21, 2018 04:14 PM (4dz1m)

169 Sock removal complete.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Vigilance Committee supporter at May 21, 2018 04:14 PM (LISuA)

170 "The question is who does global redistribution benefit? We make a mistake by looking at ideology only. Who, what group with money and interests, would benefit most by the decline of the US and the redistribution of its wealth? "

Remember during his first campaign when news broke that his online donations were not being verified and limited to only U.S. residents?

Posted by: reason at May 21, 2018 04:14 PM (W2YA6)

171 Maybe another #never falling off the band wagon?

Posted by: Skip at May 21, 2018 04:14 PM (aC6Sd)

172 Are we to remain free men or submit? NO and HELL NO. Show no mercy Mr. President. Slay them and their wealth. Do not leave these rat bastards with any power. They will never cease the destruction of you and us. Go old testament on 'em. You are the Hammer of God. Destroy them.

Posted by: dynamo hum at May 21, 2018 04:09 PM (WX+x0)



I don't know where you're coming from.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 21, 2018 04:15 PM (QQ+il)

173 157 So the question is who exactly was behind Obama? Who put him into power?
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Well, given his the scion of two generations of CIA Leftist Operatives, I'd guess CIA.

Posted by: Gumby at May 21, 2018 04:15 PM (2LelM)

174 90% of the general public have no idea all this shit is going on. They sit sit down in front of the tube with their meatloaf and mashed potatoes on turn on the alphabet news. Which is only broadcasting Trump hate and does not mention any of the Democrat's illegal actions.


They will only learn of this shit if Jeff Sessions brings charges and prosecutes. Then it will be just like Monicagate; the alaphabets will go after the prosecutor.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 21, 2018 04:15 PM (mpXpK)

175 Hands.
A very astute comment.
The Dems have always had two distinct factions for as long as I remember. Follow the money.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2018 04:15 PM (3eZPt)

176 I think that after Trump won the election, he was quite willing "for the good of the country" to let the Hillary email shit slide.

After a year of this, I am sure that he is now "loaded for bear."

Posted by: JAS at May 21, 2018 04:12 PM (ii30j)

Many here were worried PDT might lean a tad to left for their tastes and were worried about that. AND AND if the left had played nice with him, he actually might have...But they went for the jugular and totally alienated him pushing far to the right. I'd like to thank them for that. LOL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 21, 2018 04:15 PM (Lg2h/)

177 138 DiFi's own staffer was fundraising to pay Fusion. She's in it up to her saggy tits.
Posted by: dagny

AtC eye level
Posted by: wrg500 at May 21, 2018 04:13 PM (Bdeb0)

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Whoa, them are REALLLLY saggy.

Posted by: fixerupper at May 21, 2018 04:15 PM (8XRCm)

178 >>Open Question on a scale of 1-10, how Churchillian do you think Trump is?

1

Posted by: Dr Krang at May 21, 2018 04:15 PM (UdUFj)

179 Many here were worried PDT might lean a tad to left for their tastes and were worried about that. AND AND if the left had played nice with him, he actually might have...But they went for the jugular and totally alienated him pushing far to the right. I'd like to thank them for that. LOL

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Always my fear. At this point, who knows if the left could have co-opted him, and who really cares.

Posted by: SH at May 21, 2018 04:16 PM (sX1BW)

180 What is really sad here is that the Moribund CA GOP could have rallied beyond one Senate candidate here instead of having "Amateur Hour" of five of them and perhaps finished second in the "Top Two" primary.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 21, 2018 04:10 PM (ujg0T)


Yep, and even worse, the retards did the same thing with the gubernatorial contest. Pick one and endorse him, you assholes! We can't afford to split the grownup vote.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 21, 2018 04:17 PM (YqDXo)

181 Shapiro's schtik is that he's smarter than everyone, but he pushed the obviously false "17 agencies" bullshit and now thinks the DoJ is a separate branch of government.

Posted by: dagny at May 21, 2018 04:17 PM (+xe3a)

182 Learning there is no difference between "investigation" and "prosecution" was enlightening.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Vigilance Committee supporter at May 21, 2018 04:00 PM (LISuA)

You do know that investigations usually precede prosecutions? Because it's sort of hard to get the judge to go along with a prosecution based on no evidence. They prefer actual facts, even if they are made up.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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Facts are not pulled like feathers from one's buttocks.

Posted by: gNewt at May 21, 2018 04:17 PM (9YKBM)

183 Ever see that movie with Jon Voight. I think it was called Runaway Train.

That's the one where he's an escaped prisoner. He gets a freight train and has no real chance of escape. All he can do it wreck it. The cops can't stop him but he can't get away. He puts it to full speed and climbs on the roof and stands there waiting for it to impact the end of the line.

All the deep state can do is wreck everything. That's the last card they can play. Trump can't let em go and they can't let Trump go.

Train is gonna get wreckt.

Posted by: simplemind at May 21, 2018 04:17 PM (dZ1N2)

184 dagny: "DoJ is arguing that it is not part of the regular government, that it is not overseen by congress nor part of the executive branch. DiFi is tweeting this out."

Wow. That is what one could call, "panicking".

She's trying to help distance the DoJ from government. Now that's a good trick. Let's all gather popcorn and watch the spectacular fail.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at May 21, 2018 04:17 PM (H8S+R)

185 Makes me wish I would have watched at least 1 episode of Game of Thrones, maybe I would have a hint of whats coming.

Posted by: Skip at May 21, 2018 04:17 PM (aC6Sd)

186
Was watching The Crown last night. Lithgow's Churchill is fun to watch.
I see many similarities to Churchill in Trump.


I think Trump is more like our John Connor

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 21, 2018 04:18 PM (10vO4)

187 this just in....

"Their Oval Office meeting apparently over, President Trump was seen boarding Marine One with Mssrs. Rosenstein & Wray for what was described as a brief "sight-seeing" flight..."

Posted by: AltonJackson at May 21, 2018 04:18 PM (ZQfW9)

188 2. An insider.... somebody involved, has to spill the beans. "Yes, Senator. We were ordered to do the Code Red. And We were ordered by ." And.... they cant be minor beans. They have to be felony sedition beans.

Until one of those two things change the paradigm here.... nothings going to happen.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 21, 2018 04:11 PM (8XRCm)



Sadly, yes. We will need a modern day John Dean. Surely there is someone that will not be the Commiecrat Fall Guy and will turn?

Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 21, 2018 04:18 PM (ujg0T)

189 Shapiro's schtik is that he's smarter than everyone, but he pushed the obviously false "17 agencies" bullshit and now thinks the DoJ is a separate branch of government.
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He's probably in the paid employ of some intelligence agency or another.

Posted by: simplemind at May 21, 2018 04:18 PM (qRA8q)

190 What goverment then does control the DOJ?

Posted by: Skip at May 21, 2018 04:19 PM (aC6Sd)

191 >>>I think that after Trump won the election, he was quite willing "for the good of the country" to let the Hillary email shit slide. After a year of this, I am sure that he is now "loaded for bear."


Knowing what we know now, the good of the country requires rooting out these anti-democratic fascists who have broken the law and manipulated the media and public opinion to effect a coup against a legitimately elected president. These people are traitors by any definition and must be purged from the government and sent to a place where they have to shit in a bucket and eat through a slot in the door.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at May 21, 2018 04:19 PM (ppaKI)

192 The Dems have always had two distinct factions for as long as I remember. Follow the money.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2018 04:15 PM (3eZPt)

The Democrats are organized in a very simple way:

Rich Democrats give money to poor Democrats, which they extract from the non-democrat middle.

Posted by: Miklos, political economist at May 21, 2018 04:19 PM (zCyNd)

193 187 this just in....

"Their Oval Office meeting apparently over, President Trump was seen boarding Marine One with Mssrs. Rosenstein & Wray for what was described as a brief "sight-seeing" flight..."

Posted by: AltonJackson at May 21, 2018 04:18 PM (ZQfW9)


...with the doors open...and the seatbelts unbuckled...

Posted by: reason at May 21, 2018 04:19 PM (W2YA6)

194 Nice Constitutional Republic you have there, be a shame if something were to happen to it!

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at May 21, 2018 04:19 PM (n9EOP)

195 What goverment then does control the DOJ?

Posted by: Skip at May 21, 2018 04:19 PM (aC6Sd)

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**Spock Eye Brow***

Posted by: George Soros at May 21, 2018 04:19 PM (8XRCm)

196 184 dagny: "DoJ is arguing that it is not part of the regular government, that it is not overseen by congress nor part of the executive branch. DiFi is tweeting this out."

Wow. That is what one could call, "panicking".

She's trying to help distance the DoJ from government. Now that's a good trick. Let's all gather popcorn and watch the spectacular fail.
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel

Really makes me wonder now how deep Lynch and Holder were and by extension Obama.

Posted by: wrg500 at May 21, 2018 04:20 PM (Bdeb0)

197 180
What is really sad here is that the Moribund CA GOP could have
rallied beyond one Senate candidate here instead of having "Amateur
Hour" of five of them and perhaps finished second in the "Top Two"
primary.



Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 21, 2018 04:10 PM (ujg0T)



Yep, and even worse, the retards did the same thing with the
gubernatorial contest. Pick one and endorse him, you assholes! We can't
afford to split the grownup vote.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 21, 2018 04:17 PM (YqDXo)
Was discussing this very thing with the republican ladies chapter I belong to, at the last meeting.

Posted by: IC at May 21, 2018 04:20 PM (a0IVu)

198 He puts it to full speed and climbs on the roof and stands there waiting for it to impact the end of the line.

"Hell yeah"
--Guy from Vanishing Point

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 21, 2018 04:20 PM (39g3+)

199 184 She's trying to help distance the DoJ from government. Now that's a good trick. Let's all gather popcorn and watch the spectacular fail.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at May 21, 2018 04:17 PM (H8S+R)

I seem to recall Nixon trying a ploy similar to that. The Judge threw his ass out of court.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 21, 2018 04:20 PM (mpXpK)

200 many decades from now, historians will laugh at how it was called the "Department of Justice".

Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 21, 2018 04:20 PM (AURKQ)

201 I see Hillary, aka general greivous has been heard from. I wonder if she will grow a carapace?

Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2018 04:20 PM (3eZPt)

202 "Chris?, Rod? Interested in a little game of Pinochet?"

Posted by: DurnedYankee at May 21, 2018 04:20 PM (37IEG)

203 >>But, right now, JackStraw is way early celebrating success.

Not really. I've actually been following this whole thing very closely for well over a year now. Once a few of the early dominos fell it was just a matter of time.

I'd say it's more apt to say that people here have been on the whole way too negative in the face of clear evidence that things were indeed going our way and "happening".

Besides, if you count draining the swamp as part of success it was been an enormous success so far. It may not seem a big deal to some but taking down over a dozen senior people in the DOJ/FBI is in fact a very big deal.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 21, 2018 04:20 PM (/tuJf)

204 and now thinks the DoJ is a separate branch of government.

I've seen that from Dianne Feinstein and Eric Holder, but not Shapiro. He's actually read the constitution.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 21, 2018 04:20 PM (39g3+)

205
A Maltese professor? Does he tie his hair up in a cute topknot held in place with a pink ribbon?

I swear, these interspecies genders are crazy tough to keep characteristics straight.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 21, 2018 04:21 PM (pNxlR)

206 185 Makes me wish I would have watched at least 1 episode of Game of Thrones, maybe I would have a hint of whats coming.
Posted by: Skip

Red Wedding

Posted by: wrg500 at May 21, 2018 04:21 PM (Bdeb0)

207 179 Many here were worried PDT might lean a tad to left for their tastes and were worried about that. AND AND if the left had played nice with him, he actually might have...But they went for the jugular and totally alienated him pushing far to the right. I'd like to thank them for that. LOL

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Always my fear. At this point, who knows if the left could have co-opted him, and who really cares.
Posted by: SH at May 21, 2018 04:16 PM (sX1BW)


I don't think he's malleable, frankly. I expect that over his long career, and in view of his great wealth, that LOTS of people have tried to schmooze him. So I bet he's pretty impervious to such blandishments.

For these reasons, I doubt that the left shoved him to the right, or that the left could have co-opted him. I think The Donald knows his own mind pretty well, and will do whatever he thinks ought to be done.

Recall that all the "experts" wrote him off before the election because he was doing everything all wrong by their lights. Most likely many of his advisors shared that opinion. But, to coin a phrase, he persevered.

In a less sanguine take, someone with as much ego as Trump is unlikely to follow - or be influenced by - much of anyone, under any circumstances.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 21, 2018 04:21 PM (YqDXo)

208 180 What is really sad here is that the Moribund CA GOP could have rallied beyond one Senate candidate here instead of having "Amateur Hour" of five of them and perhaps finished second in the "Top Two" primary.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 21, 2018 04:10 PM (ujg0T)

Yep, and even worse, the retards did the same thing with the gubernatorial contest. Pick one and endorse him, you assholes! We can't afford to split the grownup vote.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 21, 2018 04:17 PM (YqDXo)



Alhough it probably won't matter, I chose native son Travis Allen over Establican from out of state John Cox for Governor, and former Cali Tea Party Girl Erin Cruz for Senate. You?

Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 21, 2018 04:21 PM (ujg0T)

209 Our thoughts are with the Rosenstein family and we pray that Ron will soon be found alive and well.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 21, 2018 04:22 PM (QQ+il)

210 178 >>Open Question on a scale of 1-10, how Churchillian do you think Trump is?

If by 1 you mean eloquence alone, perhaps.

However, if you grade on a scale of doing what's needed for the country and the balls to pull it off:

8

Posted by: Jak Sucio at May 21, 2018 04:22 PM (Y9uH4)

211 A Maltese professor? Does he tie his hair up in a cute topknot held in place with a pink ribbon?

Maybe he drives a Falcon.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 21, 2018 04:22 PM (YqDXo)

212 I could see a time we might not be tired of winning but the daily flaming skulls could get old.












Ah, who am I kidding that would never get old.

Posted by: Skip at May 21, 2018 04:22 PM (aC6Sd)

213 ...with the doors open...and the seatbelts unbuckled...
Posted by: reason at May 21, 2018 04:19 PM (W2YA6)



They are off to play Pinochle...uh.. Pino-something

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at May 21, 2018 04:22 PM (hMwEB)

214 a true civil war is Sulla v. Marius. those make the Late Unpleasantness look pleasant.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at May 21, 2018 04:05 PM (ZZmsG)


One result was that the Romans banned themselves from having cavalry.

I wonder what the US will ban itself from having at the end of this fight?
Posted by: Miklos, historian

People.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 21, 2018 04:22 PM (RkYsP)

215 How come nevertrumpers wont get this?
Posted by: muckrack


Never T Type A: so psychologically wrapped up in politics, they take Trump's existence as a personal wound.

NeverT Type B: Washington DC Uniparty scumbags.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 21, 2018 04:22 PM (LNPd9)

216 24 I suspect Penn sees what I see - a Democratic Party that is quickly fragmenting into irrelevancy.

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Better to lead the new and emerging party than be the last vestige of a dying party.

Posted by: SH at May 21, 2018 03:52 PM (sX1BW)


The party is merely the vehicle by which policy is advanced via elections.

Unless and until Mark Penn and his ilk admit that their belief in government as the answer to all our problems is a lie, then all of this is moot.

Same goes for Dershowitz, et al. And the answer is NOT the GOP.

The answer is ordered liberty and respecting the nation as founded. If we share at least that much in common, then we can work out the rest, to greater or lesser degrees of satisfaction.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 21, 2018 04:22 PM (VM6ev)

217 What goverment then does control the DOJ?

Posted by: Skip


I think they are directly, serve at the pleasure of, the president.

Posted by: gNewt at May 21, 2018 04:22 PM (9YKBM)

218 209. * fistbump *

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Slavic Customer Service Rep. at May 21, 2018 04:23 PM (fA1SL)

219 The shit is getting real.

Posted by: Jwest at May 21, 2018 04:10 PM (/roJx)

So what are their options?(1) Go down fighting a fight they have already lost because Trump is actually stronger now than then, the investigation being essentially over.(2) Flee someplace w/out extradition treaties.(3) Cut a deal and resign for no prosecution on good behavior.(4) Turncoat on all of your allies.
Me, I expect a lot of (3) is going to come from Obama's people larded throughout the bureaucracy.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Purify Your Politics with Cleansing Fire! AtC Brand Flammenwerfers now at The Outrage Ou at May 21, 2018 04:23 PM (0QYMt)

220 I suspect that Trump used to be more center left but during the campaign had the blinders lifted politically and saw what the left is really like and how the Democratic Party operates. But time will tell.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 21, 2018 04:23 PM (39g3+)

221 I don't know Ace....maybe this is an attempt by the Clintonistas to focus blame on the Obama administration and deflect it away from her.

This sounds right to me. Obama gets knocked out of the way, the black voters blame Trump, and Hillary coasts to victory in 2020. And then dies before inauguration day.

Posted by: Ian S. at May 21, 2018 04:23 PM (ZGrMX)

222 We can't afford to split the grownup vote.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 21, 2018 04:17 PM (YqDXo)


You obviously don't understand the goals of the DC Deep Establishment GOP!

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at May 21, 2018 04:23 PM (n9EOP)

223 Alhough it probably won't matter, I chose native son Travis Allen over Establican from out of state John Cox for Governor, and former Cali Tea Party Girl Erin Cruz for Senate. You?
Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 21, 2018 04:21 PM (ujg0T)


Haven't completely decided, but Cox gained Trump's endorsement, and that carries quite a bit weight with me.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 21, 2018 04:23 PM (YqDXo)

224 194
Nice Constitutional Republic you have there, be a shame if something were to happen to it!

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at May 21, 2018 04:19 PM (n9EOP)

The "Constitutional Republic" left in 1865. We became an dictatorship of appointed oligarchs. The Party bosses decided who your leadership would be.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 21, 2018 04:23 PM (mpXpK)

225 217 What goverment then does control the DOJ?

Posted by: Skip


I think they are directly, serve at the pleasure of, the president.
Posted by: gNewt at May 21, 2018 04:22 PM (9YKBM)


That's what Lewinski said!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 21, 2018 04:24 PM (VM6ev)

226 I wonder what the US will ban itself from having at the end of this fight?
Posted by: Miklos, historian
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No need to guess. The answer is Americans.

Posted by: Gumby at May 21, 2018 04:24 PM (2LelM)

227 department of justice says it's no longer under the fucking government? the hell?

either send in the Marines, or send in the orderlies with butterfly nets. the doj is insane.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at May 21, 2018 04:24 PM (ZZmsG)

228 TL;DR?

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at May 21, 2018 04:24 PM (kkyJg)

229 186


Was watching The Crown last night. Lithgow's Churchill is fun to watch.

I see many similarities to Churchill in Trump.





I think Trump is more like our John Connor

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 21, 2018 04:18 PM (10vO4)

At first I thought Trump ran for the Presidency as a bit of an ego thing, then I thought is was just that he loved his country the old fashioned way and couldn't stand to see d-bags in charge any more.



The as he assumed the helm, it became clear he was not shocked or ill prepared for the storm that was thrust upon him. I am starting to think that he has a much deeper insight that nearly everyone gives him credit. That's why I was bringing up the Churchill thing. The right man for the right time, but not necessarily for all times. But the times we are in are the times we need a Trump like character.

Ehh IDK, just spitballing.



Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at May 21, 2018 04:25 PM (ymnmz)

230 That the liberals in this country and their mouthpieces seem to uniformly endorse domestic spying operations is breathtaking - shows how indoctrinated they are and how deeply the Reds actually embedded themselves.

Posted by: rammajamma at May 21, 2018 04:25 PM (AjNMO)

231
We are at the point where some political corpses need to be created and left on public display pour encourager les autres.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 21, 2018 04:25 PM (pNxlR)

232 I suspect that Trump used to be more center left but during the campaign had the blinders lifted politically and saw what the left is really like and how the Democratic Party operates. But time will tell.

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He could also just be the combative sort and he was looking for a fight. The good news is that both the Dems and the GOPe decided to attack him, so the only ground he could attack from was the conservative ground.

Posted by: SH at May 21, 2018 04:25 PM (sX1BW)

233 Note that Bill Clinton's former pollster is more skeptical of the Deep State's current story than alleged Bad Boy of Conservatism Ben Shapiro.




I know it is hard to remember, but we were still constitutionally solid then. I do believe the rot began during that administration, but there were still sane people in the Dem party.

Yes, we disagreed, but we still agreed on the Constitution. That is why things are entirely different now...we no longer all agree on the Constitution. Old time Dems don't recognize their party either.

I keep reaching for terms to better explain the divide. Starting to settle on the Resistance (Leftist media, anti-fa, marxists, Celebs, tech leaders, nevertrumpers, deep state, et.al) as one side. The other side would be....unsure. Constitutionalists? I haven't figured that one out yet.

But the Resistance are those who seem to have decided against our Constitution. Our rule of law. Our electorlal college. Our election result. Our amendments. Capitalism. All those things. It crosses party lines.

Then there is "our side" which also crosses party lines. The Resistance named itself. They are proud of it. Haven't figured a name yet for our side ...yet.

Those are more accurate about our current battle for the soul of our nation, IMO.

Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 21, 2018 04:25 PM (JtfSK)

234 160 I think that after Trump won the election, he was quite willing "for the good of the country" to let the Hillary email shit slide.

After a year of this, I am sure that he is now "loaded for bear."

Posted by: JAS at May 21, 2018 04:12 PM (ii30j)

Donald Trump Offered the Olive Branch. It was slapped out of his hand by the minions of the deep state, and millions of insane Democrats. If they really want war, they will have it.

Posted by: rd at May 21, 2018 04:25 PM (4dz1m)

235 We are now in the most dangerous phase of this saga.

Pray to God, and keep your powder dry.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at May 21, 2018 04:26 PM (AM1GF)

236 Red Wedding? Think more along the lines of what Vlad did to his traitorous Boyers after getting out that Islamic prison.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at May 21, 2018 04:27 PM (kkyJg)

237 Vanishing Point
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 21, 2018 04:20 PM (39g3+)


Obscure reference and a great movie!

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at May 21, 2018 04:27 PM (n9EOP)

238 Honestly, I wouldn't recognize Ben Shapiro if I tripped over his three-apples-tall corpse.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 21, 2018 04:27 PM (QQ+il)

239 210 178 >>Open Question on a scale of 1-10, how Churchillian do you think Trump is?

If by 1 you mean eloquence alone, perhaps.

However, if you grade on a scale of doing what's needed for the country and the balls to pull it off:

8
Posted by: Jak Sucio at May 21, 2018 04:22 PM (Y9uH4)


In terms of strategy (and tactics) he's a 12 so far. Churchill had any number of total train wreck strategies on his account (e.g., Gallipolli, Norway) and got out-maneuvered politically in the 1946 election (and had been out-maneuvered prior to becoming Prime Minister).

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 21, 2018 04:27 PM (YqDXo)

240 "Note that Bill Clinton's former pollster is more skeptical of the Deep State's current story than alleged Bad Boy of Conservatism Ben Shapiro."

Dude, even Glen Beck swallowed his pride (or saw his media empire failing) and said he's supporting Trump for 2020. When Glen Beck is making more rational life choices than you are, it's time to reevaluate some things.

Posted by: Grimaldi at May 21, 2018 04:28 PM (3MG/9)

241 Donald Trump Offered the Olive Branch. It was slapped out of his hand by the minions of the deep state, and millions of insane Democrats. If they really want war, they will have it.

Posted by: rd


Trump followed the traditional norms of the Republic. It was Obama and Clinton who breached those norms through their actions. Sadly, this is not the first time the increasingly ill-named Democratic Party has done so.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at May 21, 2018 04:28 PM (AM1GF)

242 3) Cut a deal and resign for no prosecution on good behavior.(4) Turncoat on all of your allies.

Looking for a word between implicate and testify? Let's ask Seth Rich's dictionary.

Posted by: DaveA at May 21, 2018 04:28 PM (FhXTo)

243 (3) Cut a deal and resign for no prosecution on good behavior.(4) Turncoat on all of your allies.


Me, I expect a lot of (3) is going to come from Obama's people larded throughout the bureaucracy.
Posted by: Mikey NTH


Then we have no rule of law left.
We are simply Banana Republic - Rule of Men.

Serious laws, up to murder, (Seth Rich), sedition & treason have been broken.

Resignation and no prosecution simply isn't an option.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 21, 2018 04:28 PM (RkYsP)

244 No need to get snarky.

Posted by: A Better Politician than his politicians! at May 21, 2018 04:13 PM (LISuA)

There is every need to get snarky. Jackstraw is doing yeoman's work in researching what is going on. He provides data as well as his opinion, and that is quite valuable.

When it is mocked because the gibbets on the White House lawn haven't broken from use I will snark right back.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 21, 2018 04:28 PM (wYseH)

245 Our ancestors reached this conclusion in the 1920s. That too much immigration breaks down the civic notion of a united people. Their answer was to cork immigration for 40 years. In those two generations we fought a World War with mass conscription. But by 1960 most viewed themselves as American. That is not the case at present. We have somewhere between 60 - 75M new arrivals speaking their native tongue, living in tight little ghettos with no expectation of them having to bear a burden for others. Maybe time to cork immigration again. If you don't, you won't have a country or a Constitution.

Posted by: Gumby at May 21, 2018 04:29 PM (2LelM)

246 Trump followed the traditional norms of the Republic. It was Obama and Clinton who breached those norms through their actions.

----------

Fair and accurate.

Posted by: SH at May 21, 2018 04:29 PM (sX1BW)

247
Gibbets and Gravy, who I saw open for Yarborough and Peoples at the Apollo in '80.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 21, 2018 04:29 PM (VM6ev)

248 Also, stop calling them the Resistance. They are the Dead-Enders.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at May 21, 2018 04:30 PM (AM1GF)

249 Pray to God, and keep your powder dry.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at May 21, 2018 04:26 PM (AM1GF)

Like this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdqnB4HUPpg

Posted by: Private Jackson at May 21, 2018 04:30 PM (z79tQ)

250 The market finds the prospect of gibbets exciting.

DJIA 25,013.29 +298.20 (+1.21%)

Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 21, 2018 04:30 PM (QQ+il)

251 What is the line on Penn's impending method of Arkansacide? I've got $500 that says it will be stabbing self in back multiple times and then beheading himself.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at May 21, 2018 04:30 PM (9BLnV)

252 247
Gibbets and Gravy, who I saw open for Yarborough and Peoples at the Apollo in '80.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 21, 2018 04:29 PM (VM6ev)


Or was it Peaches and Herb?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 21, 2018 04:30 PM (VM6ev)

253
They are off to play Pinochle...uh.. Pino-something
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at May 21, 2018 04:22 PM (hMwEB)


In flight high stakes Pinochle tournaments? Aye, that's the ticket!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 21, 2018 04:30 PM (pNxlR)

254 The "Constitutional Republic" left in 1865. We became an dictatorship of appointed oligarchs. The Party bosses decided who your leadership would be.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 21, 2018 04:23 PM (mpXpK)


True. We're just seeing the vestiges of penumbral emanations of the Constitution being erased.

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at May 21, 2018 04:30 PM (n9EOP)

255 245 Our ancestors reached this conclusion in the 1920s. That too much immigration breaks down the civic notion of a united people. Their answer was to cork immigration for 40 years. In those two generations we fought a World War with mass conscription. But by 1960 most viewed themselves as American. That is not the case at present. We have somewhere between 60 - 75M new arrivals speaking their native tongue, living in tight little ghettos with no expectation of them having to bear a burden for others. Maybe time to cork immigration again. If you don't, you won't have a country or a Constitution.
Posted by: Gumby at May 21, 2018 04:29 PM (2LelM)



Bingo. The goo-goo immigration romantics still don't get this, and the cynical cheap gardeners and maids crowd are frankly treasonous in my book.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 21, 2018 04:30 PM (ujg0T)

256 So, is this meeting over? Anything get leaked yet?

Posted by: JoeF. at May 21, 2018 04:30 PM (7uYFy)

257 There is every need to get snarky. Jackstraw is doing yeoman's work in researching what is going on. He provides data as well as his opinion, and that is quite valuable.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 21, 2018 04:28 PM (wYseH)


Seconded.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 21, 2018 04:30 PM (YqDXo)

258 251 What is the line on Penn's impending method of Arkansacide? I've got $500 that says it will be stabbing self in back multiple times and then beheading himself.
Posted by: Anonymous White Male at May 21, 2018 04:30 PM (9BLnV)


In a place crash over Don Lemmon's black hole...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 21, 2018 04:31 PM (VM6ev)

259 Ben Shapiro is so short he has to cuff his underwear

Posted by: Nationalist Pikachu at May 21, 2018 04:31 PM (PTA8E)

260 When Glen Beck is making more rational life choices than you are, it's time to reevaluate some things.

Posted by: Grimaldi
--

Understatement of the day.

Posted by: gNewt at May 21, 2018 04:31 PM (9YKBM)

261
Gibbets and Gravy, who I saw open for Yarborough and Peoples at the Apollo in '80.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 21, 2018 04:29 PM (VM6ev)


Or was it Peaches and Herb?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 21, 2018 04:30 PM (VM6ev)

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Hall and Oats.

Posted by: fixerupper at May 21, 2018 04:31 PM (8XRCm)

262 248. Took us years to put down the Werwolf types in Fritzreich.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Slavic Customer Service Rep. at May 21, 2018 04:31 PM (fA1SL)

263 253
They are off to play Pinochle...uh.. Pino-something
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at May 21, 2018 04:22 PM (hMwEB)

In flight high stakes Pinochle tournaments? Aye, that's the ticket!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 21, 2018 04:30 PM (pNxlR)


Sponsored by Aerolineas Pinohet...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 21, 2018 04:31 PM (VM6ev)

264 Then there is "our side" which also crosses party lines. The Resistance named itself. They are proud of it. Haven't figured a name yet for our side ...yet.


In a true shooting war against the left? My actions will be truly Deplorable.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 21, 2018 04:32 PM (RkYsP)

265 Ben Shapiro admires Obama's throwing arm.

Barack Obama.

Posted by: Nationalist Pikachu at May 21, 2018 04:32 PM (PTA8E)

266

245 Our ancestors reached this conclusion in the 1920s. That too much immigration breaks down the civic notion of a united people. Their answer was to cork immigration for 40 years. In those two generations we fought a World War with mass conscription. But by 1960 most viewed themselves as American. That is not the case at present. We have somewhere between 60 - 75M new arrivals speaking their native tongue, living in tight little ghettos with no expectation of them having to bear a burden for others. Maybe time to cork immigration again. If you don't, you won't have a country or a Constitution.
Posted by: Gumby at May 21, 2018 04:29 PM (2LelM)


Bingo. The goo-goo immigration romantics still don't get this, and the cynical cheap gardeners and maids crowd are frankly treasonous in my book.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 21, 2018 04:30 PM (ujg0T)

It was the best thing for all concerned. The country and The immigrants themselves (Southern and Eastern Europeans mostly)

Posted by: JoeF. at May 21, 2018 04:32 PM (7uYFy)

267 So the DOJ is now like Judge Dredd? Tote cool, Sly saying, "I am the law!"

Posted by: rammajamma at May 21, 2018 04:32 PM (AjNMO)

268 259 Ben Shapiro is so short he has to cuff his underwear
Posted by: Nationalist Pikachu at May 21, 2018 04:31 PM (PTA8E)

"Really!"

- - Robert B. Reichhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh-uh

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 21, 2018 04:32 PM (VM6ev)

269 Maybe time to cork immigration again. If you don't, you won't have a country or a Constitution.
Posted by: Gumby at May 21, 2018 04:29 PM (2LelM)


Obviously you have no heart...


BUT you are absolutely right, plus unearned freebies to non-citizens need to be eliminated!

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at May 21, 2018 04:33 PM (n9EOP)

270 That seems to have been Obama's plan all along.

Seems a little too sophisticated to have been originated by him, though. But I can see him playing the saboteur.

Posted by: Emmie at May 21, 2018 04:33 PM (/A+Cl)

271 Open Question on a scale of 1-10, how Churchillian do you think Trump is?
========
Lincoln.

Posted by: simplemind at May 21, 2018 04:33 PM (JFiHD)

272 269
BUT you are absolutely right, plus unearned freebies to non-citizens need to be eliminated!
Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at May 21, 2018 04:33 PM (n9EOP)

That right there is a wall unto itself.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 21, 2018 04:34 PM (VM6ev)

273 That seems to have been Obama's plan all along.


------

*squinty eyes*

~Valerie Jarrett

Posted by: fixerupper at May 21, 2018 04:34 PM (8XRCm)

274 It was the best thing for all concerned. The country and The immigrants themselves (Southern and Eastern Europeans mostly)
Posted by: JoeF. at May 21, 2018 04:32 PM (7uYFy)



And the parallels don't stop there. Think of Latinos as modern day Italians (both in terms of organized crime and laborers) and Asians as modern day Jews and Eastern European Nikola Tesla genius types.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 21, 2018 04:35 PM (ujg0T)

275 273 That seems to have been Obama's plan all along.
------
*squinty eyes*

~Valerie Jarrett
Posted by: fixerupper at May 21, 2018 04:34 PM (8XRCm)

If, please G-d (baruch hashem) the Mullahs are overthrown, I would love to witness her reaction.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 21, 2018 04:35 PM (VM6ev)

276 My administration was remarkably scandal-free.

Posted by: Obama, taking a selfie at May 21, 2018 04:35 PM (fq72/)

277 Ace should start a Campaign Against Ben Shapiro.

I'm serious. He's absolutely toxic and he literally needs to be shown the door permanently. I don't want anyone to follow him down the path of folly. It's starts with some light reading on The Daily Wire and the next thing you know you're wearing a bow tie, your refrigerator is filled with watercress, and you're writing tirades about blue jeans.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 21, 2018 04:35 PM (4ErVI)

278 Ben Shapiro's not all bad.

I mean he's so short he can give head standing up.

Posted by: Shep! at May 21, 2018 04:35 PM (PTA8E)

279

Maybe next time a presidential candidate says he wants to fundamentally transform America we'll kick him to the curb

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 21, 2018 04:36 PM (10vO4)

280 (1/3) There are at least 2 possible scenarios: #1 In 2016, before anybody thought @realDonaldTrump would win, the FBI correctly anticipated the Trump campaign would be uniquely targeted by Russia & devoted extraordinary efforts to investigating it.(cont.)
+++++
(2/3) including placing at least one spy/informant close to Trump campaign & wiretapping or surveilling at least seven Trump associates-- all while President Obama denied such election interference was possibl-- and yet in the end.
+++++
(3/3).the FBI was still incompetent at preventing the Russian interference they'd investigated all year, and then found no grounds to open an investigation into realDonaldTrump until after he fired FBI Director Comey. Or #2 The govt spied on Trump for political purposes.

Posted by: NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN at May 21, 2018 04:36 PM (y3aQB)

281 276 My administration was remarkably scandal-free.
Posted by: Obama, taking a selfie at May 21, 2018 04:35 PM (fq72/)


That's like saying a malignant tumor is disease free.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 21, 2018 04:36 PM (VM6ev)

282 For my good friend Grump 928 the stakes could not be any greater. The republic is at the abyss. Our birthrite to God given rights is at stake. The left is the darkness and denial of all that is good and true.
My world is outlined by the old and new testament. I stake my life on these eternal truths and defend it with all of me for I am nothing without His permission. The Obama Clinton types threaten me and mine. The President was hired by us to restore and defend our sacred rites. Sword and shield Mr. President. Show no mercy for none shall be shown to us.

Posted by: dynamo hum at May 21, 2018 04:36 PM (WX+x0)

283 I was noodling "The Resistance" vs. "The Republic", but I think that's maybe too squishy. Also considering "The Resistance" vs. Americans, but thought that might be too harsh. Thinking...

Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 21, 2018 04:36 PM (JtfSK)

284 261
Gibbets and Gravy, who I saw open for Yarborough and Peoples at the Apollo in '80.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 21, 2018 04:29 PM (VM6ev)


Or was it Peaches and Herb?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 21, 2018 04:30 PM (VM6ev)

-----

Hall and Oats.


ahhhhh.....The Quaker Oats....hard core punk pioneers....good times....

Posted by: Jak Sucio at May 21, 2018 04:36 PM (Y9uH4)

285 That seems to have been Obama's plan all along.

Seems a little too sophisticated to have been originated by him, though. But I can see him playing the saboteur.
Posted by: Emmie at May 21, 2018 04:33 PM (/A+Cl)

He signed off on anything Clapper, Brennan, ValJar, Holder, Biden, etc. wanted him to sign off on.
I'm convinced all he did was suck cock, fill out brackets, watch ESPN and have celebrities and "interesting Italians" over to the WH.

He was out of his depth. But he did whatever the Deep State wanted, so they love him.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 21, 2018 04:36 PM (7uYFy)

286 Took us years to put down the Werwolf types in Fritzreich.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Slavic Customer Service Rep. at May 21, 2018 04:31 PM


You didn't get them all. Some relocated to London.

Posted by: zombie warren zevon at May 21, 2018 04:36 PM (ctuyM)

287 the last post by me was by Sharyl Attkisson

Posted by: NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN at May 21, 2018 04:36 PM (y3aQB)

288 279

Maybe next time a presidential candidate says he wants to fundamentally transform America we'll kick him to the curb
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 21, 2018 04:36 PM (10vO4)


I'd like one who will fundamentally RESTORE it. So far, PDT is doing his best.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 21, 2018 04:37 PM (VM6ev)

289 283 I was noodling "The Resistance" vs. "The Republic", but I think that's maybe too squishy. Also considering "The Resistance" vs. Americans, but thought that might be too harsh. Thinking...
Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 21, 2018 04:36 PM (JtfSK)

I'd say don't let them control the language.

Them, the Tyrants, versus us, the Americans.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at May 21, 2018 04:37 PM (72PAC)

290 Good, bad? Who knows?

@BreakingNews 6m

White House: Chief of Staff Kelly "will immediately set up a meeting with" FBI, Justice Dept., DNI and congressional leaders "to review highly classified and other information they have requested." - @NBCPolitics

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 21, 2018 04:37 PM (LNPd9)

291 Then there is "our side" which also crosses party
lines. The Resistance named itself. They are proud of it. Haven't
figured a name yet for our side ...yet.





In a true shooting war against the left? My actions will be truly Deplorable.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 21, 2018 04:32 PM
----------------------------
I thought we all had settled on Wolverines as our name?

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at May 21, 2018 04:38 PM (+Dllb)

292
ahhhhh.....The Quaker Oats....hard core punk pioneers....good times....
Posted by: Jak Sucio at May 21, 2018 04:36 PM (Y9uH4)

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And they would have been as big as the Beatles. Except they got rolled by the record labels.

Posted by: fixerupper at May 21, 2018 04:38 PM (8XRCm)

293 >>Open Question on a scale of 1-10, how Churchillian do you think Trump is?

Trump should be compared to similar female politician.
Maybe Thatcher.
In which case, I give a 2. More emotional and preoccupied with vanity.

Posted by: Dr Krang at May 21, 2018 04:38 PM (UdUFj)

294 What I found out that was the most interesting about the whole Cankles Clinton/Russia thing is not the lead story but the minutiae that goes on behind the scene that gives you insight into the character of one of the main conspirators. The Russian agents that first contacted the Canker were actually quite well known in the West. The famous Boris Badenov and Natasha Fatale attempted to infiltrate the Clinton Foundation in the early 21st century following the Fall of Communism. They introduced her to Natasha's friend Huma Abedin, since she went both ways. And had no standards.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at May 21, 2018 04:38 PM (9BLnV)

295 OT/The incoming govt. of Italy is planning on going against Brussels (EU) by deporting 500,000 immigrants. They are also considering ways to opt out of the EU in certain matters. Me happy.

Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 21, 2018 04:39 PM (JtfSK)

296 259 Ben Shapiro is so short he has to cuff his underwear
Posted by: Nationalist Pikachu at May 21, 2018 04:31 PM (PTA8E)
++++
Shapiro is so short he still wears underoos bought for him as a kid

Posted by: NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN at May 21, 2018 04:39 PM (y3aQB)

297 Hey Anna!

*hat-tip to James Tiptree Jr.

The CIA analyst?

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at May 21, 2018 04:39 PM (bgE22)

298 Andrew McCarthy has a great article up today on the different standards used in prosecuting Democrats versus Republicans, sometimes even after investigations.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y99h6bb4

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Vigilance Committee supporter at May 21, 2018 04:39 PM (LISuA)

299 Gibbets and Gravy, who I saw open for Yarborough and Peoples at the Apollo in '80.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 21, 2018 04:29 PM

Or was it Peaches and Herb?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 21, 2018 04:30 PM

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Hall and Oats.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 21, 2018 04:31 PM]/i]

Bartles & Jaymes

Posted by: AltonJackson at May 21, 2018 04:39 PM (ZQfW9)

300 I'd like one who will fundamentally RESTORE it. So far, PDT is doing his best.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 21, 2018 04:37 PM (VM6ev)



There is a reason "Make America Great Again" caught on. Many didn't like the Obamunist transformations, and the Great Society transformations before that, but were too cowed to say it.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 21, 2018 04:39 PM (ujg0T)

Posted by: AltonJackson at May 21, 2018 04:39 PM (ZQfW9)

302 But, right now, JackStraw is way early celebrating success.

Not really. I've actually been following this whole thing very closely for well over a year now. Once a few of the early dominos fell it was just a matter of time.

I'd say it's more apt to say that people here have been on the whole way too negative in the face of clear evidence that things were indeed going our way and "happening".

Besides, if you count draining the swamp as part of success it was been an enormous success so far. It may not seem a big deal to some but taking down over a dozen senior people in the DOJ/FBI is in fact a very big deal.

Posted by: JackStraw
+++++++++++
I am a JackStraw fan.

Still it is a matter of degree. Its shoveling out the stables and Trump is Hercules. The DOJ FBI thing is big, a couple of really big turds if you will. There's just so much shit left in the barn . . .

I cheering and hoping he keeps working at it.

Posted by: simplemind at May 21, 2018 04:39 PM (JFiHD)

303 Frankincense and Myrrh once opened for Hall and Oats at the Capitol theater in Passaic, NJ.
June 79' I wanna say.



Posted by: dananjcon at May 21, 2018 04:39 PM (xqfqx)

304 274. Much of America's prosperity and technology can be traced to the work of Nikola Tesla and other SMR members. Does this point to the survival of the mythical Slavistan - inspiration for Atlantis - in the diaspora? Ancient Slavonaut theorists say yes.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Slavic Customer Service Rep. at May 21, 2018 04:39 PM (fA1SL)

305 Got a nice thank you email from the Michael Caputo Family. ( I donated to his legal fund). He is using the extra money he received to pay the legal bills of others, that are forced to have legal counsel before testifying. And his family got to keep their home.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at May 21, 2018 04:40 PM (Lqy/e)

306 They introduced her to Natasha's friend Huma Abedin, since she went both ways. And had no standards.
Posted by: Anonymous White Male at May 21, 2018 04:38 PM (9BLnV)



ISWYDT. :-D

Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 21, 2018 04:40 PM (ujg0T)

307 271 Open Question on a scale of 1-10, how Churchillian do you think Trump is?
========
Lincoln.
Posted by: simplemind at May 21, 2018 04:33 PM (JFiHD)


We Americans venerate Lincoln, but to play devil's advocate, consider 1) he was not well-regarded in his time, not even by his Cabinet, 2) he had the Civil War thrust upon him, and so had no choice, 3) his management of the Civil War was dismal, much worse than W's management of the Iraq War, 4) he looked on course to lose the election of 1864 until Sherman took Atlanta, and 5) he had absolutely zero impact on world affairs.

I'm not dumping on him, but putting him into perspective. His fame largely arose after his assassination, much like the case of JFK.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 21, 2018 04:40 PM (YqDXo)

308 Crikey, I remember when The Hill used to be a readable site.
Now, they've got umpteen windows popping open, half of those have auto play vids, and the thing you went there to read is jumping up and down every 2 seconds trying to adjust to all the irrelevant crap you have to wade thru.

Posted by: backbeatbaby at May 21, 2018 04:40 PM (w7KSn)

309 And the parallels don't stop there. Think of Latinos as modern day Italians (both in terms of organized crime and laborers) and Asians as modern day Jews and Eastern European Nikola Tesla genius types.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 21, 2018 04:35 PM (ujg0T)

That's a bit too cute. Italians had their mob and a few anarchists, but most of them got with the program and waved the flag and wanted to be here and worked once they got here.
Some Jews were troublemakers --i.e commies. And not all Jews are genius types--although they do seem to be over-represented in that category.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 21, 2018 04:40 PM (7uYFy)

310 293 >>Open Question on a scale of 1-10, how Churchillian do you think Trump is?


Um, I don't think you'd like my answer. Also, why do this? Churchill is a standalone figure whose lifetime of work is extraordinary. Trump has been in office less than 2 years.

Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 21, 2018 04:41 PM (JtfSK)

311 Feinstein on Twitter made a point I would say more clearly: to the Dems, elections really don't count for anything.

"The Justice Department is not an arm of the White House. The Justice
Department is independent and serves the American people. Its job is to
follow the facts and the law. Law enforcement investigations must be
initiated and carried out free from political interference."
Clinton and Obama can put in their people, and Bush and Trump should just let them 'serve' the American people.

Posted by: mallfly of the Lammermoor at May 21, 2018 04:41 PM (KxbBq)

312 The incoming govt. of Italy is planning on going
against Brussels (EU) by deporting 500,000 immigrants.

Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 21, 2018 04:39 PM (JtfSK)

Paul Krugman is disgusted by this business, therefore I am all for it.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 21, 2018 04:42 PM (wYseH)

313 295
OT/The incoming govt. of Italy is planning on going against Brussels
(EU) by deporting 500,000 immigrants. They are also considering ways to
opt out of the EU in certain matters. Me happy.

Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 21, 2018 04:39 PM (JtfSK)
excellent! Its going to be that idiot merkel left holding the bag.

Posted by: IC at May 21, 2018 04:42 PM (a0IVu)

314 Congress will get access to every classified document they want following today's meeting.
"Based on the meeting with the President, the Department of Justice has
asked the Inspector General to expand its current investigation to
include any irregularities with the Federal Bureau of Investigation's or
the Department of Justice's tactics concerning the Trump Campaign. It
was also agreed that White House Chief of Staff Kelly will immediately
set up a meeting with the FBI, DOJ, and DNI together with Congressional
Leaders to review highly classified and other information they have
requested."

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at May 21, 2018 04:42 PM (UBzPO)

315 I saw Quaker Oats open for The Amish Animals at The Gorge in George in 2012.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 21, 2018 04:42 PM (3eZPt)

316 Still it is a matter of degree. Its shoveling out the stables and Trump is Hercules.

I thought Hercules diverted a river to clean out Augean Stables. Maybe Trump is starting to divert a river to clean out DC.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 21, 2018 04:42 PM (YqDXo)

317
I was noodling "The Resistance" vs. "The Republic", but I think that's maybe too squishy. Also considering "The Resistance" vs. Americans, but thought that might be too harsh. Thinking...
Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 21, 2018 04:36 PM



I like Kurt Schlichter's term, the "Normals" (for the non-Resistance side)

Posted by: Hands at May 21, 2018 04:42 PM (EzdLW)

318 McConnell, Ryan, you damn well better fix this or I'm taking both you assholes down with me.

DiFi, back me up here.

Posted by: John Brennan (I'll have the roast duck with the mango salsa) at May 21, 2018 04:42 PM (DuAZ5)

319 I was noodling "The Resistance" vs. "The Republic", but I think that's maybe too squishy. Also considering "The Resistance" vs. Americans, but thought that might be too harsh. Thinking...
Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 21, 2018 04:36 PM (JtfSK)
++++++++
"Good" vs. "Evil" works for me. Maybe "Enlightenment" vs. "Darkness." Or possibly "Honorable" vs. "Contemptible."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 21, 2018 04:42 PM (I2dne)

320 So the DOJ is now like Judge Dredd? Tote cool, Sly saying, "I am the law!"
Posted by: rammajamma at May 21, 2018 04:32 PM (AjNMO)
---
Here you go:

https://tinyurl.com/ycwttb95

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 21, 2018 04:43 PM (AzW6q)

321 I think the opposite of the Resistance would be the Patriots. Too worn?

Posted by: Marmo - yes, I am entertained, thank you very much at May 21, 2018 04:43 PM (fq72/)

322 Trump has had to deal with the Mob to get his buildings built and deal with corrupt officials in NYC, I think I read here or somewhere that Trump's Dad made go and collect rent, low income housing rent. That type of stuff toughens you up. He was born rich but acts like a blue collar guy.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at May 21, 2018 04:43 PM (dKiJG)

323 Ben Shapiro is so awful we are honest to God saying nice things about Crazy Eyes Glen Beck's Mystery Illness of the Week in comparison.

I haven't made a Rick Wilson sock in days.

We haven't even ragged on David Frum's Palin labai obsession.

I mean Ben Shapiro is so short his drivers license lists his height with as line on the edge marked "up to here"

Posted by: Nationalist Pikachu at May 21, 2018 04:43 PM (PTA8E)

324 That's a bit too cute. Italians had their mob and a few anarchists, but most of them got with the program and waved the flag and wanted to be here and worked once they got here.
Some Jews were troublemakers --i.e commies. And not all Jews are genius types--although they do seem to be over-represented in that category.
Posted by: JoeF. at May 21, 2018 04:40 PM (7uYFy)



Honestly? All things considered, the overwhelming majority of Mexican and other Latino immigrants are the same. But a few bad apples (mangoes? Plantains?) spoil the barrel.

And among the Asians migrating here today, no doubt Red China has a good many moles.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 21, 2018 04:43 PM (ujg0T)

325 He signed off on anything Clapper, Brennan, ValJar, Holder, Biden, etc. wanted him to sign off on.
I'm convinced all he did was suck cock, fill out brackets, watch ESPN and have celebrities and "interesting Italians" over to the WH.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 21, 2018 04:36 PM (7uYFy)

You forgot the golf and the vacations.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at May 21, 2018 04:43 PM (9BLnV)

326 I thought we all had settled on Wolverines as our name?
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman


Oh. Ok. Whoo-hoo!

Wolverines!!

Posted by: rickb223 at May 21, 2018 04:43 PM (RkYsP)

327 From Axios:

President Trump's top trade adviser, Peter Navarro, recommended appointing Stefan Halper, an academic and suspected FBI informant on the Trump campaign, to a senior role in the Trump administration, Axios has learned.
-------

Holy Smokes. I don't know if Navarro was in on the conspiracy, but that is frightening.

Posted by: WisRich at May 21, 2018 04:43 PM (G0vdT)

328 305 Got a nice thank you email from the Michael Caputo Family. ( I donated to his legal fund). He is using the extra money he received to pay the legal bills of others, that are forced to have legal counsel before testifying. And his family got to keep their home.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at May 21, 2018 04:40 PM (Lqy/e)


Thank you for this update.

People had hoped he would share the money, and he is. I think that shows what kind of man he is. So happy he got to keep his home.

Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 21, 2018 04:44 PM (JtfSK)

329 312 The incoming govt. of Italy is planning on going
against Brussels (EU) by deporting 500,000 immigrants.

Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 21, 2018 04:39 PM (JtfSK)

Paul Krugman is disgusted by this business, therefore I am all for it.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 21, 2018 04:42 PM (wYseH)


Same here. Any policy that disgusts those who disgust me is likely to have something going for it.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 21, 2018 04:44 PM (YqDXo)

330 http://bit.ly/2GBLNm5
=====
GOP Sen Perdue: It's Going to Come Out That the Obama Administration Really Did Interfere' with 2016 Election | Breitbart

Posted by: NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN at May 21, 2018 04:44 PM (y3aQB)

331 Here is the Bombshell interview Erik Prince gave to Breitbart radio about how NYPD was going to go public with what they found on A. Wiener's laptop that implicates Hillary, and AG Lynch theatening further prosecutions in the Eric Garner case unless they hushed it up:

https://tinyurl.com/E-Prince-Breitbart-Int

Please also listen to Bongino today.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 21, 2018 04:44 PM (O033+)

332 , how Churchillian do you think Trump is"

Zero, I fervently hope.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 21, 2018 04:44 PM (7LY+6)

333 Shapiro's not with us.

Posted by: Bilbo and Frodo at May 21, 2018 04:44 PM (oVJmc)

334 Did someone call Dana Loesch fat?

Posted by: eleven at May 21, 2018 04:44 PM (+lOpA)

335
His fame largely arose after his assassination.

-----

Yeah.... he's almost as famous as Garfield.


*I think I sprained my eyeballs rolling them that hard

Posted by: fixerupper at May 21, 2018 04:44 PM (8XRCm)

336 >>>Paul Krugman is disgusted by this business, therefore I am all for it.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 21, 2018 04:42 PM (wYseH)
________

Think of the children!

None of them are among these rape-migrants, but think of them any way!!!

Posted by: Bill Kristol's Boat People at May 21, 2018 04:44 PM (PTA8E)

337 Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 21, 2018 04:40 PM (YqDXo)

Yeah one thing I've always knocked him for is that he took way too long to find someone decent enough to lead the Army of the Potomac. Some effective leadership exerted there could've ended the war a couple of years earlier.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 21, 2018 04:44 PM (4ErVI)

338 Obama Administration Really Did Interfere' with 2016 Election

-----------

Come out? It seems like it is gospel at this point.

Posted by: SH at May 21, 2018 04:45 PM (sX1BW)

339 333 Shapiro's not with us.
Posted by: Bilbo and Frodo at May 21, 2018 04:44 PM (oVJmc)



Nope.

Posted by: eleven at May 21, 2018 04:45 PM (+lOpA)

340 I keep picturing Shapiro as one of those male models wearing a dress jacket with red shorts pulled over it...some of you might know what I'm talking about

Posted by: IC at May 21, 2018 04:45 PM (a0IVu)

341 Imma gonna guess that maybe Obama regrets lampooning Trump at the 2011 WHCD. You really don't want to fuck with the Honey Badger. Honey Badgers never forget and never forgive. Sucks to be Obama.

Posted by: Gumby at May 21, 2018 04:45 PM (2LelM)

342 81 DoJ is arguing that it is not part of the regular government, that it is not overseen by congress nor part of the executive branch. DiFi is tweeting this out.

Posted by: dagny at May 21, 2018 04:00 PM (+xe3a)

That is not how any of this works, maam.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 21, 2018 04:46 PM (Dp6qK)

343 Honestly? All things considered, the overwhelming majority of Mexican and other Latino immigrants are the same. But a few bad apples (mangoes? Plantains?) spoil the barrel.

And among the Asians migrating here today, no doubt Red China has a good many moles.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 21, 2018 04:43 PM (ujg0T)

I get the parallels. But the Italian immigrants were LEGAL. And their families--not mob families-- were tighter, church-going, intact and were not the drain many Latinos are; tell me, was out of wedlock birth a problem with Italian immigrants?

Posted by: JoeF. at May 21, 2018 04:46 PM (7uYFy)

344 Politics
Navarro ran for office in San Diego, California three times as a Democrat. In 1992, he ran for mayor as an independent, finishing first (38.2%) in the all-party primary, but losing (48.0%) to Republican Susan Golding in the runoff.[25] During his mayoral campaign, Navarro ran on a no-growth platform.[26] In 1996, he ran for the 49th Congressional District as the Democratic Party nominee (41.9%), but lost to Republican Brian Bilbray (52.7%).[27] In 2001, Navarro ran in a special election to fill the District 6 San Diego city council seat, but lost in the primary.[28]

Navarro supports President Barack Obama's phase-out of incandescent light bulbs, the adoption of wind energy, and carbon taxes in order to stop global warming.[29] He has also advocated an isolationist[30] and protectionist[30] American foreign policy.

Posted by: NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN at May 21, 2018 04:46 PM (y3aQB)

345 For my good friend Grump 928 the stakes could not be any greater.

Posted by: dynamo hum at May 21, 2018 04:36 PM (WX+x0)



Of course. I just assumed you knew the lyrics from which your nic is derived. My bad.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 21, 2018 04:46 PM (QQ+il)

346 Also considering "The Resistance" vs. Americans, but thought that might be too harsh. Thinking...
Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 21, 2018 04:36 PM


I routinely use "Americans" as the antonym for liberals.

"Is he a liberal?"

"No. He's a loyal American."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 21, 2018 04:46 PM (YqDXo)

347 Ancient Slavonaut theorists say yes.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Slavic Customer Service Rep. at May 21, 2018 04:39 PM (fA1SL)
+++++++++
I'd like to invoice you for the monitor that I now need to replace. What's your address? :-D

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 21, 2018 04:46 PM (I2dne)

348 >>>Shapiro is so short he still wears underoos bought for him as a kid
Posted by: NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN at May 21, 2018 04:39 PM (y3aQB)
__________
They don't make butt flaps in big boi size!!!!

and I can't wear the adult sizes anyway...*sniff*

Posted by: Ben Shapiro at May 21, 2018 04:47 PM (PTA8E)

349 330
GOP Sen Perdue: It's Going to Come Out That theObama Administration Really Did Interfere' with 2016 Election | Breitbart
Posted by: NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN at May 21, 2018 04:44 PM (y3aQB)
--------

And Obama doesn't even like the Clintons!

Posted by: WisRich at May 21, 2018 04:47 PM (G0vdT)

350 Still it is a matter of degree. Its shoveling out the stables and Trump is Hercules. The DOJ FBI thing is big, a couple of really big turds if you will. There's just so much shit left in the barn . . .

I cheering and hoping he keeps working at it.
Posted by: simplemind



Before we start sucking each other's dicks, can we get some arrests and jail sentences?

Posted by: rickb223 at May 21, 2018 04:47 PM (RkYsP)

351 You forgot the golf and the vacations"

What am I? Chopped liver?

Posted by: Reggie Love at May 21, 2018 04:47 PM (7LY+6)

352 I also don't mind if you call me a bum...

Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 21, 2018 04:47 PM (QQ+il)

353 This sounds right to me. Obama gets knocked out of the way, the black voters blame Trump, and Hillary coasts to victory in 2020. And then dies before inauguration day.

Someone on Twitter suggested an alternate version:

- Let the investigation pin Obama to the wall
- Pardon TFG while prosecuting all his underlings
- All media/Dem heads literally explode, Scanners-style
- PDT cruises to reelection

Posted by: Ian S. at May 21, 2018 04:47 PM (ZGrMX)

354 Shapiro's not with us.
Posted by: Bilbo and Frodo at May 21, 2018 04:44 PM (oVJmc)
Shapiro's an opportunist. He does just enough to be "one of us", but continues to virtue-signal against Trump--to cover his ass.
Just in case.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 21, 2018 04:47 PM (7uYFy)

355 1 I think the opposite of the Resistance would be the Patriots. Too worn?
Posted by: Marmo - yes, I am entertained, thank you very much at May 21, 2018 04:43 PM (fq72/)



I actually did consider that one too. Like you said though, may be over-used. I thought about "Americans" too...but that may be too on the nose. I think it'll need to be something more original.

Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 21, 2018 04:48 PM (JtfSK)

356 >>>"Really!"

- - Robert B. Reichhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh-uh
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 21, 2018 04:32 PM (VM6ev)
_____________
I'm taller than you now that you're like 90!!!

Posted by: Ben Shapiro at May 21, 2018 04:48 PM (PTA8E)

357 347. Cathode ray tube display? Also, SMR technology. V. Zworykin.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Slavic Customer Service Rep. at May 21, 2018 04:48 PM (fA1SL)

358 Someone on Twitter suggested an alternate version:

- Let the investigation pin Obama to the wall
- Pardon TFG while prosecuting all his underlings
- All media/Dem heads literally explode, Scanners-style
- PDT cruises to reelection
Posted by: Ian S. at May 21, 2018 04:47 PM (ZGrMX)

I can easily see him pardoning TFG and Hillary. After letting them twist.
But not the underlings.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 21, 2018 04:49 PM (7uYFy)

359 Before we start sucking each other's dicks, can we get some arrests and jail sentences?

Posted by: rickb223 at May 21, 2018 04:47 PM (RkYsP)

I still believe Trump's going to put Hillary in prison.

Call me a dreamer, I know. But like Trump says, if you're going to dream, dream BIGLY!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 21, 2018 04:49 PM (4ErVI)

360 326 I thought we all had settled on Wolverines as our name?
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman


Oh. Ok. Whoo-hoo!

Wolverines!!
Posted by: rickb223 at May 21, 2018 04:43 PM (RkYsP)
--------
Weaselrines!

Posted by: Weasel at May 21, 2018 04:49 PM (MVjcR)

361 Navarro supports President Barack Obama's phase-out of incandescent light bulbs, the adoption of wind energy, and carbon taxes in order to stop global warming.[29] He has also advocated an isolationist[30] and protectionist[30] American foreign policy.
Posted by: NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN at May 21, 2018 04:46 PM (y3aQB)
---

Jeesh, Trump's got assassins around every corner. Why did he keep him on?

Posted by: WisRich at May 21, 2018 04:49 PM (G0vdT)

362 Obama's phase-out of incandescent light bulbs"

Someone misspelled "Bush"...

Posted by: Reggie Love at May 21, 2018 04:49 PM (7LY+6)

363 NOOB

Posted by: eleven at May 21, 2018 04:49 PM (+lOpA)

364 NOOD

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 21, 2018 04:49 PM (mpXpK)

365 278 Ben Shapiro's not all bad.

I mean he's so short he can give head standing up.

....now you know why I like toes so much....

Posted by: Dick Morris - Nail Polisher at May 21, 2018 04:50 PM (Y9uH4)

366 I can easily see him pardoning TFG and Hillary. After letting them twist.
But not the underlings.
Posted by: JoeF. at May 21, 2018 04:49 PM (7uYFy)

But not before a complete public confession.

Posted by: WisRich at May 21, 2018 04:50 PM (G0vdT)

367 >>>Shapiro's an opportunist. He does just enough to be "one of us", but continues to virtue-signal against Trump--to cover his ass.
Just in case.
Posted by: JoeF. at May 21, 2018 04:47 PM (7uYFy)
__________
He's an opportunist in that he's so short he can dress up as a trophy for Halloween.

Posted by: Nationalist Pikachu at May 21, 2018 04:50 PM (PTA8E)

368 Why did he keep him on?"

'Cause that source is as accurate as wikistupida.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 21, 2018 04:50 PM (7LY+6)

369 Obama hates the Clintons but in order to preserve his legacy he has to keep Hillary out of Jail/Indicted, they do all this stuff to protect her and like everything Obama does blows up in his face because he's tooooo smart.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at May 21, 2018 04:50 PM (dKiJG)

370 Someone on Twitter suggested an alternate version:

- Let the investigation pin Obama to the wall

[b-]- Pardon TFG while prosecuting all his underlings


FTS! No one made a move without his OK. That isn't how you do it. You don't arrest the nickel dealer, and let the big fish go. That's not how it's done.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 21, 2018 04:52 PM (RkYsP)

371 341 Imma gonna guess that maybe Obama regrets lampooning Trump at the 2011 WHCD. You really don't want to fuck with the Honey Badger. Honey Badgers never forget and never forgive. Sucks to be Obama.

Every time I see that clip, I just smile. Karma.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at May 21, 2018 04:53 PM (Y9uH4)

372 So what are their options?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Purify Your Politics with Cleansing Fire! AtC Brand Flammenwerfers now at The Outrage Ou at May 21, 2018 04:23 PM (0QYMt)



They've held together for about as long as could be expected, but now someone is going to be looking for a deal. Trouble is, there is no place for the guy looking to deal to go.

The person who is going to flip and spill all the beans has to have someone in the DOJ to negotiate with, and right now the only person on our side has recused himself.

Posted by: Jwest at May 21, 2018 04:53 PM (/roJx)

373
GOP Sen Perdue: It's Going to Come Out That theObama Administration
Really Did Interfere' with 2016 Election | Breitbart


While we're at it why don't we find out if he interfered in the 2012 election too

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 21, 2018 04:53 PM (10vO4)

374 prof disarray, gg channel:

We could always be Normals, as Kurt Schlicter calls all us non-commies.

Posted by: Marmo - yes, I am entertained, thank you very much at May 21, 2018 04:53 PM (fq72/)

375 Gibbets and Gravy, who I saw open for Yarborough and Peoples at the Apollo in '80.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 21, 2018 04:29 PM

Or was it Peaches and Herb?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 21, 2018 04:30 PM

-----

Hall and Oats.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 21, 2018 04:31 PM]/i]

Bartles & Jaymes
Posted by: AltonJackson at May 21, 2018 04:39 PM (ZQfW9)

Ben & Jerry's

Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 21, 2018 04:55 PM (JtfSK)

376
Open Question on a scale of 1-10, how Churchillian do you think Trump is?



We're gonna fight on the beaches - and by the way Trump Plaza Hotel Casino near the beach in Atlantic City is doing great, really great.... We're gonna fight on the landing grounds, those big beautiful landing grounds. We'll fight in the fields - lots of yuuge fields out there *shields eyes from sun*, you all see them? *points* How you doing?... And in the streets, we'll fight them there too, so maybe my friend Vince McMahon can set something up on pay-per-view, great ratings, great audience potential... We shall fight in the hills, so many tremendous hills.... We shall never get schlonged.

Posted by: Sir Winston Trump at May 21, 2018 04:57 PM (EzdLW)

377 I think I read here or somewhere that Trump's Dad made go and collect rent, low income housing rent. That type of stuff toughens you up. He was born rich but acts like a blue collar guy.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio
***************************

And he graduated from Wharton.

Posted by: gNewt at May 21, 2018 04:57 PM (9YKBM)

378 Trump is > or = to Churchill.

Posted by: Ruthless at May 21, 2018 04:58 PM (md3fh)

379 The left discounts his graduating from Wharton because unlike them they do not realize that he earned his degree.

Posted by: gNewt at May 21, 2018 04:58 PM (9YKBM)

380 While we're at it why don't we find out if he interfered in the 2012 election too

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic


And all the other crimes he committed against the Republic.

Posted by: gNewt at May 21, 2018 05:00 PM (9YKBM)

381 prof disarray, gg channel:

We could always be Normals, as Kurt Schlicter calls all us non-commies.
Posted by: Marmo - yes, I am entertained, thank you very much at May 21, 2018 04:53 PM (fq72/)


I actually like The Resistance vs. The Deplorables too. But I know it has to be more serious and something that doesn't bring up associations with HRC/Trump/Election. Otherwise I'd go with something funny. I thought about Normals, but that won't/doesn't resonate with people.

Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 21, 2018 05:01 PM (JtfSK)

382 We Americans venerate Lincoln, but to play devil's
advocate, consider:

5) he had absolutely
zero impact on world affairs.




Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 21, 2018 04:40 PM (YqDXo)

***
Dear Mr President Lincoln, House White, Washington the DC of America States, Etc. Etc.
I give to you these many bull elephants for your great war of the Civiles, Etc. Etc.
With most graciousness, Etc. Etc.

King Mongkut Rama IV, King of Siam, Etc. Etc.

Posted by: The King of Siam at May 21, 2018 05:02 PM (Fb9aZ)

383 McCabe is going to give up Comey, Yates, and Lynch. Brennan and Clapper will be exposed, but have plausible deniability. Lynch is an untouchable twofer, especially before a DC jury. So Comey and Yates will be the biggest fish caught. They'll do a couple of months and get disbarred.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 21, 2018 05:04 PM (g4YTo)

384 Open Question on a scale of 1-10, how Churchillian do you think Trump is?

What about the binary Churchillian scale?

Posted by: rickl at May 21, 2018 05:05 PM (xjiRE)

385 376


Open Question on a scale of 1-10, how Churchillian do you think Trump is?





We're gonna fight on the beaches - and by the way Trump Plaza Hotel
Casino near the beach in Atlantic City is doing great, really great....
We're gonna fight on the landing grounds, those big beautiful landing
grounds. We'll fight in the fields - lots of yuuge fields out there
*shields eyes from sun*, you all see them? *points* How you doing?...
And in the streets, we'll fight them there too, so maybe my friend Vince
McMahon can set something up on pay-per-view, great ratings, great
audience potential... We shall fight in the hills, so many tremendous
hills.... We shall never get schlonged.

Posted by: Sir Winston Trump at May 21, 2018 04:57 PM (EzdLW)

****
OMG this is awesome - I imagine Old Albert Finney with a golden scalpweasel haircut saying the lines.

Posted by: Publius Redux at May 21, 2018 05:05 PM (Fb9aZ)

386 Robert Mueller and the Deep State Must be Stopped and Defeated

Robert Mueller and the Deep State Must be Fucking Destroyed

Why use two verbs when one verb and a kick-ass adverb will do?

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at May 21, 2018 05:20 PM (WDU9h)

387 1) he was not well-regarded in his time, not even by his Cabinet, 2) he had the Civil War thrust upon him, and so had no choice,
====
So far, Trump - well that's what is going to happen.

Below that - need good generals. Those that don't want to fight are a problem. Its a legit problem because its civil war.

Trump hasn't impacted the world yet either.

Also, he'll be suspending the writ of HC

Posted by: simplemind at May 21, 2018 05:38 PM (/oyy9)

388 President Trump's top trade adviser, Peter Navarro, recommended appointing Stefan Halper, an academic and suspected FBI informant on the Trump campaign, to a senior role in the Trump administration, Axios has learned.
-------

Holy Smokes. I don't know if Navarro was in on the conspiracy, but that is frightening.
========
This is the REAL reason they didn't want his name out there. It exposes other deep state plants. . . .

Posted by: simplemind at May 21, 2018 05:42 PM (dZ1N2)

389 375 Gibbets and Gravy, who I saw open for Yarborough and Peoples at the Apollo in '80.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 21, 2018 04:29 PM

Or was it Peaches and Herb?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 21, 2018 04:30 PM

-----

Hall and Oats.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 21, 2018 04:31 PM]/i]

Bartles & Jaymes
Posted by: AltonJackson at May 21, 2018 04:39 PM (ZQfW9)

Ben & Jerry's
Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 21, 2018 04:55 PM (JtfSK)

Sam and Dave

Posted by: the Butcher at May 21, 2018 06:08 PM (DIosY)

390 Mueller and the Deep State are the tip of the spear
in the silent coup to overthrow Trump.

Please VOTE in the coming midterm election.

Posted by: William L. Di Gennaro at May 21, 2018 06:23 PM (Wdd1n)

391 When the political party in power can weaponize gov't agencies against other individuals and political parties, with the blessing of a compliant media...well, it's game over...

Posted by: Steel Gimlet at May 21, 2018 08:52 PM (KUk/r)

392 72 Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle
Palpatine...

So, there's a chance of a joint Mattis & Pence vodka-fuelled tank rampage with artillery?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
:>)) Pence is "designated driver".

Posted by: Roozter at May 22, 2018 12:07 AM (lEynA)

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John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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