Suspect in Santa Fe Shooting Has Trenchcoat Adorned With Symbols of Imperial Japanese Kamikazes, Baphomet (a Devil), <i>Cthulhu</i>, the Soviet Hammer and Sickle, and the German Wehrmacht Iron Cross

Suspect in Santa Fe Shooting Has Trenchcoat Adorned With Symbols of Imperial Japanese Kamikazes, Baphomet (a Devil), Cthulhu, the Soviet Hammer and Sickle, and the German Wehrmacht Iron Cross

Hmmm... I wonder which of those the media will play up: the Satanist or Communist symbols, or the Iron Cross?

It's a mystery to me. Could go either way!!!

BTW, although the Iron Cross was used by Nazis as a decoration in war, it is actually older and dates to King Freiderich Wilhelm III. It was a Prussian symbol, and later a decoration of the German Empire in World War One. (Hence, the WWI biplanes sporting it.)

There is no such ambiguity of meaning in the case of the Communist hammer and sickle or the devil Baphomet.

Baphomet has an interesting history, being the devil the Knights Templar were (likely falsely) accused of worshipping, which resulted in the arrest and torture of the Templars on Friday the 13th of October 1307. Baphomet may be a corruption of "Mahomet," which in turn could be a corruption of Mohammad; it could be that the Templars (who'd spent years in Islamic lands) incorporated some Islamic icons into their religion.

Which would indeed be blasphemous, yet not quite the same as devil-worship.

And I don't buy that anyway. Yeah I know the business about "going native" but...

I've always just thought they probably captured Islamic icons as spoils of war and kept them on display, as a military order might, and this display of the enemy's stolen idols got misreported as them worshiping those idols.

The Wikipedia page notes that the Templars had a couple of reliquaries (containers for the body parts of venerated persons such as saints), which had the bodliy relics -- heads, specifically -- of a couple of Christian saints inside them (yeah, that kind of thing went on a lot back then and wasn't considered heretical or anything). So one theory is that reliquaries for the heads of Christian saints were mistaken for idols of the devil's face.

One could imagine someone easily mistaking something that looks like this or like this for a blasphemous occult object.

That Wikipedia page offers a lot of theories about what "Baphomet" is and how it came to be. A lot of interesting speculation for something I'm pretty sure was either a mistaken interpretation or knowing slander (or a bit of both).

But for Current Year young people, "Baphomet" is almost certainly just taken to be a devil -- if not the Devil -- the goat-headed devil frequently seen in Crowely-era "magick" books and whose horned head is drawn within upside-down pentagrams.

None of that matters; they'll focus on the Iron Cross.

Sorry to go all off on the Templars. I just think there was a lot of #FakeNews about them and a Deep State agents of French king Philippe IV framed them with salacious and unverified dossiers. Might have had something to do with them being very rich, having invented banking and all.

Update: I saw an article claiming the shooter carried an "AR-15-style" weapon -- what's that?

This article says he carried a sawed-off shotgun and pistol. Doesn't mention an AR-15-style weapon.

Santa Fe High School shooter wore a black trench coat and carried a sawed-off shotgun and a pistol. https://t.co/0a4hLxkLga
— The Truth About Guns (@guntruth) May 18, 2018

Maybe he took Joe Biden's advice and "got a shotgun."

Another Symbol To Be Ignored:

"Texas shooter wore a bisexual pride heart pin on his hat in a photo from his Instagram account reposted by the Dallas CBS affiliate."

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 03:24 PM

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1 Fist

Posted by: andycanuck at May 18, 2018 03:17 PM (Evws/)

2 That Iron Cross is the WW I style, not the Nazi style. A distinction already lost on the left.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at May 18, 2018 03:17 PM (O9qtX)

3 Ooops, I meant 'faust'!

Posted by: andycanuck at May 18, 2018 03:17 PM (Evws/)

4
You know who else had Iron Crosses...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 18, 2018 03:17 PM (VM6ev)

5 As mentioned in the previous thread:

"Texas shooter wore a bisexual pride heart pin on his hat in a photo from his Instagram account reposted by the Dallas CBS affiliate."

Posted by: Walter Freeman at May 18, 2018 03:18 PM (I/iGu)

6 2 That Iron Cross is the WW I style, not the Nazi style. A distinction already lost on the left.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at May 18, 2018 03:17 PM (O9qtX)

10, 20, 30, 40, 50 or more,
the MFM are media whores...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 18, 2018 03:18 PM (VM6ev)

7 Dammit, I just poked myself in the eye, with my own damn finger.

Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 18, 2018 03:18 PM (w45mR)

8
Let me guess, the psycho was also angry about gun control.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 18, 2018 03:19 PM (VM6ev)

9 7 Dammit, I just poked myself in the eye, with my own damn finger.
Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 18, 2018 03:18 PM (w45mR)

That you Paolo, or the Love Master?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 18, 2018 03:19 PM (VM6ev)

10 Then I will show you, where the Iron Crosses grow.

Posted by: sergeant steiner at May 18, 2018 03:19 PM (Evws/)

11 Temp link to photo -> bit.ly/2LeQp5k

Posted by: Walter Freeman at May 18, 2018 03:19 PM (I/iGu)

12 Well ... sure ... they invented banking. But that shit is all our's now, baby.

Don't even get us started on the International Diamond Trade or Weather Control.

Posted by: The Shape-Shifting JOOS !!! at May 18, 2018 03:19 PM (fiGNd)

13 He had all this and also wore the bisexual pride heart thingy? How did he get this messed up?

Posted by: IC at May 18, 2018 03:20 PM (a0IVu)

14 Going after the Templars was pretty much enytirely about seizing their assets and eliminating a potentiallu powerful threat.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at May 18, 2018 03:20 PM (nQU//)

15 David Hogg has already weighed in.

Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 18, 2018 03:20 PM (w45mR)

16 Are we going to find out that this guy had discipline problems in school.

Posted by: WisRich at May 18, 2018 03:20 PM (G0vdT)

17 Let me guess, the psycho was also angry about gun control.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 18, 2018 03:19 PM (VM6ev)

Doubtful. One of his social media pics looks to be a Ruger SR9.

Posted by: ScoggDog at May 18, 2018 03:20 PM (fiGNd)

18 12 Well ... sure ... they invented banking. But that shit is all our's now, baby.

Don't even get us started on the International Diamond Trade or Weather Control.
Posted by: The Shape-Shifting JOOS !!! at May 18, 2018 03:19 PM (fiGNd)

I wish I could shift about 15 pounds of weight off of my shape.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 18, 2018 03:21 PM (VM6ev)

19 "Texas shooter wore a bisexual pride heart pin on
his hat in a photo from his Instagram account reposted by the Dallas CBS
affiliate."

Posted by: Walter Freeman at May 18, 2018 03:18 PM (I/iGu)

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He should be fine so long as he didn't murder any straight kids.

Nah, who am I kidding. He'll be fine anyway. Las Vegas and that crazy animal rights youtube shooting in 3..2..

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 18, 2018 03:21 PM (VgKNm)

20 This article says he carried a sawed-off shotgun and pistol.

Capable of being equipped with an AK-15 bayonet, though.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 18, 2018 03:21 PM (Dp6qK)

21 Chthulhu? By the Halls of Shibboleth!

Posted by: Axeman at May 18, 2018 03:21 PM (vDqXW)

22 Over/Under on how fast this goes down the memory hole?

Posted by: rickb223 at May 18, 2018 03:21 PM (RkYsP)

23 Little wonder only the Jews did banking after Phillipe IV arrested, tortured, and burned at the stake the Christian Templars who had plied the Devil's Trade.

Posted by: ace at May 18, 2018 03:22 PM (8rNrN)

24 Went to school with a chick who had a mohawk and wore a blue jean jacket with an anarchy symbol on it every day. This was in the '80s. I always wondered why her parents let he wear it. Nice girl, though. Very friendly.

Posted by: hobbitopoly at May 18, 2018 03:22 PM (MX7xj)

25 I don't doubt that The Templars got a raw deal; Philip the Fair was scum. But I don't see how Baphomet could be derived from their capture of idols. The Muslims should not have had any to capture. They're more or less iconoclasts, right?

Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at May 18, 2018 03:22 PM (014lE)

26 Templars had the shroud (now of turin) and someone saw the ghostly figure of the man on the cloth and thought -- devil. The word got out and stories were told and retold.

Posted by: simplemind at May 18, 2018 03:22 PM (xu7gt)

27 We need common sense reform to make sawed-off shotgun illegal

Posted by: Ignoramus Press at May 18, 2018 03:22 PM (vDqXW)

28 Which would indeed be blasphemous, yet not quite the same as devil-worship.
Potato; potahto.

Posted by: allah at May 18, 2018 03:22 PM (Evws/)

29 I saw an article claiming the shooter carried an "AR-15-style" weapon -- what's that?

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A weapon capable of launching projectiles using gunpowder.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 18, 2018 03:22 PM (VgKNm)

30 Over/Under on how fast this goes down the memory hole?

Posted by: rickb223 at May 18, 2018 03:21 PM (RkYsP)

Dunno'. Depends on the narrative.

If the bullying thing proves true ... and the bullying thing came from stereo-typical Rural Whites ? Oh - this story ain't going away for shit then.

Posted by: ScoggDog at May 18, 2018 03:23 PM (fiGNd)

31 So he was just one huge bag of crazy?

I kind of wonder these days how kids keep it together as much as they do.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 18, 2018 03:23 PM (ycWCI)

32 Surely the poor tyke was on Ritalin. Poor child, he cannot be held responsible for his behavior.

Posted by: SteveOReno at May 18, 2018 03:23 PM (2sCft)

33 I wish I could shift about 15 pounds of weight off of my shape.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 18, 2018 03:21 PM

Spanx can help you control the wear there.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 18, 2018 03:23 PM (ctuyM)

34 Baphomet reminds me, Goats Head Soup was an underrated album. The fanbois wanted it to be something else, but it was great in its own right.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 18, 2018 03:23 PM (fuK7c)

35 Personally I'm proud of horde for not mentioning his ethnicity.

Posted by: enlightened moron at May 18, 2018 03:23 PM (COcka)

36 Over/Under on how fast this goes down the memory hole?
Posted by: rickb223 at May 18, 2018 03:21 PM (RkYsP)

3 Days. All the wrong causes supported by the shooter. Eventually the media will make a movie where the shooter screams "Make America Great Again!" before opening fire.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at May 18, 2018 03:23 PM (O9qtX)

37 I'm guessing bullying leading to gay kids shooting up a school will be borderline okay.

Raising awareness or something.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 18, 2018 03:24 PM (VgKNm)

38 @19: "Las Vegas and that crazy animal rights youtube shooting in 3..2.."

Or they turn this into a "sensitive queer kid bullied into violence" story for a teaching moment and blame Trump for creating the environment as Bully-in-Chief.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at May 18, 2018 03:24 PM (I/iGu)

39 When I was young we wore Iron Crosses as Surfer's Cross. A hangover from GI Joe and Surplus Stores. Now they're NAZIs?

Posted by: Gumby at May 18, 2018 03:24 PM (2LelM)

40 Well, Gov. Abbott is promising to take action..what that entails for school shootings..?

Posted by: IC at May 18, 2018 03:24 PM (a0IVu)

41 Baphomat could also be Ebonic for bath mat.

Posted by: Axeman at May 18, 2018 03:24 PM (vDqXW)

42 If the bullying thing proves true ... and the
bullying thing came from stereo-typical Rural Whites ? Oh - this story
ain't going away for shit then.
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 18, 2018 03:23 PM

Dude. Why the H8? Be inclusive. It's Rural and Suburban Whites.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 18, 2018 03:25 PM (ctuyM)

43 Personally I'm proud of horde for not mentioning his ethnicity.

Posted by: enlightened moron at May 18, 2018 03:23 PM (COcka)

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Do we know the cocksucker's race?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 18, 2018 03:25 PM (VgKNm)

44 If the bullying thing proves true ... and the bullying thing came from stereo-typical Rural Whites ? Oh - this story ain't going away for shit then.
Posted by: ScoggDog

If it came from teachers/coaches/admin, it won't last until the 10 pm news tonight.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 18, 2018 03:25 PM (RkYsP)

45 41 Baphomat could also be Ebonic for bath mat.
Posted by: Axeman at May 18, 2018 03:24 PM (vDqXW)

For hookers.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 18, 2018 03:25 PM (VM6ev)

46 Or they turn this into a "sensitive queer kid bullied into violence" story for a teaching moment and blame Trump for creating the environment as Bully-in-Chief.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at May 18, 2018 03:24 PM (I/iGu)

Hah !!! Beat ya' by nine posts !!!

Posted by: ScoggDog at May 18, 2018 03:25 PM (fiGNd)

47 >>>I don't doubt that The Templars got a raw deal; Philip the Fair was scum. But I don't see how Baphomet could be derived from their capture of idols. The Muslims should not have had any to capture. They're more or less iconoclasts, right?

1, but when did that start? I understand it was not ALWAYS the rule that you couldn't depict mohammad. There are drawings of him in earlier Islamic books.

2, it wouldn't necessarily even be Mohammad. It could just be the head of a statue of a bearded Islamic warrior or emir. Like college kids stealing street signs, they whack off the head and relocate it to their Batcave of War Trophies.

If you see a bearded face with arched eyebrows and a suspiciously eastern look, hey -- Devil, right?

(Star Trek's Mr. Spock was a subject of some controversy for appearing Devil-like.)

Posted by: ace at May 18, 2018 03:25 PM (8rNrN)

48 If one Nazi wore the Iron Cross, it's Nazi, and therefore small government right-wing Constitutionalist.

Posted by: The Press at May 18, 2018 03:25 PM (vDqXW)

49 For some reason our crazies act out this way. Japanese teenage crazies either commit suicide or lock themselves in their rooms and watch weird anime.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Purify Your Politics with Cleansing Fire! AtC Brand Flammenwerfers @ the Outrage Outlet at May 18, 2018 03:25 PM (hLRSq)

50 Do we know the cocksucker's race?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 18, 2018 03:25 PM (VgKNm)

If not that probably means he's not the race the media would like him to be.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at May 18, 2018 03:26 PM (72PAC)

51 Or they turn this into a "sensitive queer kid bullied into violence" story for a teaching moment and blame Trump for creating the environment as Bully-in-Chief.
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*taking notes furiously*

Posted by: jim acosta at May 18, 2018 03:26 PM (eMC4O)

52 33 I wish I could shift about 15 pounds of weight off of my shape.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 18, 2018 03:21 PM

Spanx can help you control the wear there.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 18, 2018 03:23 PM (ctuyM)

Leon Spinks in the Sphinx?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 18, 2018 03:26 PM (VM6ev)

53 Iron cross - Malta?

Posted by: 13times at May 18, 2018 03:26 PM (K3B2k)

54 Do we know the cocksucker's race?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 18, 2018 03:25 PM (VgKNm)

Do we care? As far as I am concerned his 'race' was Evil Shitbag.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 18, 2018 03:26 PM (ycWCI)

55 >>Baphomat could also be Ebonic for bath mat.

Ha. I was just thinking that.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 18, 2018 03:26 PM (/tuJf)

56 Update: I saw an article claiming the shooter carried an "AR-15-style" weapon -- what's that?

That is simply a mechanism to lyingly imply a connection to their ongoing semiautomatic rifle ban push and hope the MSM gets on board and uses the untruthful term without letting the truth out to the ignorant oiks.

The upside is that it might woke some of the FUDDs who think the gun control set will never go after their Remchesters or duck guns.

Posted by: Keith at May 18, 2018 03:26 PM (USf3s)

57 @46: "Hah !!! Beat ya' by nine posts !!!"

*hangs his head in shame*

Posted by: Walter Freeman at May 18, 2018 03:26 PM (I/iGu)

58 Perhaps it was an AR-15 style shotgun with the thing that goes up?

I think Germany still uses the Iron Cross too. I could be wrong.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 18, 2018 03:26 PM (4ErVI)

59 Baphomat could also be Ebonic for bath mat.

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You've got to say it like (not our) J.J. would say it, though.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 18, 2018 03:26 PM (VgKNm)

60
Sorry to go all off on the Templars. I just think there was a lot of #FakeNews about them and a Deep State agents of French king Philippe IV framed them with salacious and unverified dossiers. Might have had something to do with them being very rich, having invented banking and all.

Well of course the started out as builders. Do you know who else started out as a builder?

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 18, 2018 03:26 PM (10vO4)

61 This kid was obviously fucked up and casting about for some sort of identity which would explain all of the disparete iconography.

But I bet at the end of the day this kid was known to be fucked up and nothing was done about it.

Posted by: Kreplach at May 18, 2018 03:26 PM (UfMVm)

62 Do not try to make sense out of bugfuck crazy, It will drive you nuts. This kid is bananas it makes no difference what his motivations were. The bad part is that he is still alive. I don't give a rats ass what his problems are he should not have been in school.

Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at May 18, 2018 03:27 PM (0OmEj)

63 I wish I had some AR-15 style beer right about now.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 18, 2018 03:27 PM (4ErVI)

64 (Star Trek's Mr. Spock was a subject of some controversy for appearing Devil-like.)

He has no heart!!!

Posted by: captain ronald tracey at May 18, 2018 03:27 PM (Evws/)

65 If it came from teachers/coaches/admin, it won't last until the 10 pm news tonight.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 18, 2018 03:25 PM (RkYsP)

Hmmm ... you going with The Left Protecting Their Own in the Teacher's Union here ?

I like it.

Posted by: ScoggDog at May 18, 2018 03:27 PM (fiGNd)

66 Knew I should have gotten a Mossberg Shockwave before they're banned . . .

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at May 18, 2018 03:27 PM (lApJ5)

67 Oh, Maltese Cross is not the same as iIon Cross. Eh, whatevers.

Celtic Cross.

Posted by: 13times at May 18, 2018 03:28 PM (K3B2k)

68
the devil, nazi iron cross, commie hammer and sickle, kamikazes, all go together and all evil like this kid.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 18, 2018 03:28 PM (r+sAi)

69 Personally I'm proud of horde for not mentioning his ethnicity.

Posted by: enlightened moron at May 18, 2018 03:23 PM (COcka)

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Do we know the cocksucker's race?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 18, 2018 03:25 PM (VgKNm)

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Do we care? As far as I am concerned his 'race' was Evil Shitbag.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 18, 2018 03:26 PM (ycWCI)

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Don't leave out the first part of that post, which was just an opportunity for me to point out the literal gay aspect.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 18, 2018 03:28 PM (VgKNm)

70 24 Went to school with a chick who had a mohawk and wore a blue jean jacket with an anarchy symbol on it every day. This was in the '80s. I always wondered why her parents let he wear it. Nice girl, though. Very friendly.
Posted by: hobbitopoly at May 18, 2018 03:22 PM (MX7xj)

Did she like dogs and small children and have a Charlie Chaplin 'stache?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 18, 2018 03:28 PM (VM6ev)

71 Shooter's name is Dimitrios Pagourtzis, which looks Greek but not quite. Once you're into the Balkans and east I don't think bloodlines untangle so neatly.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 18, 2018 03:28 PM (fuK7c)

72 Well of course the started out as builders.

Do you know who else started out as a builder?
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic

Bob?

Posted by: rickb223 at May 18, 2018 03:28 PM (RkYsP)

73 63 I wish I had some AR-15 style beer right about now.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 18, 2018 03:27 PM (4ErVI)

The thing that goes 'UP' is your taste buds!

Posted by: Armalite Beer at May 18, 2018 03:28 PM (ycWCI)

74 Supposedly the shotgun had a pistol grip reminescent of the evil Pistol Grip of Dhoom that all ARs have. Therefore it's an AK-15 Mega-Weapon that is the Destroyer of Worlds.

Like Fluffy.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at May 18, 2018 03:28 PM (O9qtX)

75 68
the devil, nazi iron cross, commie hammer and sickle, kamikazes, all go together and all evil like this kid.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 18, 2018 03:28 PM (r+sAi)

So, "COEXIST" ???

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 18, 2018 03:29 PM (VM6ev)

76 I need to get into my AR-15 style car (an Assault Car really as the cylinders fire multiple times with just one turn of the key) and get a late lunch.

Posted by: Keith at May 18, 2018 03:29 PM (USf3s)

77 I've already read a news report that his father is a fan of Dana Loesch and the NRA. So they want to connect his dad to his kid to Trump.

I believe that the two shooters at Columbine were also gay or bi. Anyone remember?

Posted by: Cheri at May 18, 2018 03:29 PM (oiNtH)

78 Iron cross -- Malta?
The George Cross. (Unless you meant the Maltese Cross that's used by the Order of St John and not the WW2 award?)

Posted by: andycanuck at May 18, 2018 03:29 PM (Evws/)

79 Do we care? As far as I am concerned his 'race' was Evil Shitbag.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 18, 2018 03:26 PM (ycWCI)

We don't, but the media might, depending on what it is.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at May 18, 2018 03:29 PM (72PAC)

80 An AR-15 style weapon is a weapon that the media doesn't understand.

So all of them.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at May 18, 2018 03:29 PM (KUaJL)

81 71 Shooter's name is Dimitrios Pagourtzis, which looks Greek but not quite. Once you're into the Balkans and east I don't think bloodlines untangle so neatly.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 18, 2018 03:28 PM (fuK7c)

"Greek HOMOS!!!"

- - A. Sharpton

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 18, 2018 03:29 PM (VM6ev)

82
Iron cross - Malta
Malt - Zima
Zima - Gay

The circle is complete.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 18, 2018 03:30 PM (VgKNm)

83 I want to know whether he had an AR-15 style derringer.

Posted by: Furious George at May 18, 2018 03:30 PM (9vQJW)

84 71 - Reports say that his father was from Greece before moving to US.

Posted by: Cheri at May 18, 2018 03:30 PM (oiNtH)

85 67 Oh, Maltese Cross is not the same as iIon Cross. Eh, whatevers.

Celtic Cross.
Posted by: 13times at May 18, 2018 03:28 PM (K3B2k)
+++
Hasn't the Celtic Cross been appropriated by the white power movement or some such bullshit? Maybe that is Odin's Cross.
IDK.

Posted by: SteveOReno at May 18, 2018 03:30 PM (2sCft)

86 BTW, although the Iron Cross was used by Nazis as a decoration in war, it is actually older and dates to King Freiderich Wilhelm III. It was a Prussian symbol, and later a decoration of the German Empire in World War One. (Hence, the WWI biplanes sporting it.)

Weren't there German Jewish WWI vets who thought, "Nah, they'd never kill me, I'm a patriotic war hero. I was awarded the Iron Cross"?

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 18, 2018 03:30 PM (/qEW2)

87 BTW, I don't believe in a devil called "Baphomet" because he's not in the lists of all the devils listed in early books about the ranks of hell. He's a pretty new addition. Which makes me suspicious.

Posted by: ace at May 18, 2018 03:30 PM (8rNrN)

88 Baphomet may be a corruption of "Mahomet,"

Good guess, but ... no.

Baphomet came about because someone with a speech impediment was trying to curse out his bathmat.

"Phat damned baphmat!!!"

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 18, 2018 03:30 PM (gyfiU)

89 the devil, nazi iron cross, commie hammer and sickle, kamikazes, all go together and all evil like this kid.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 18, 2018 03:28 PM (r+sAi)

And he had a gaming station ... I bet they find some D&D dice before it's all over.

Kid was smart - he stuck to the approved symbology. Now - if he'd had NRA tee-shirts or something with Love It Or Leave It ?

Swat Team stops all this shit before it starts.

Posted by: ScoggDog at May 18, 2018 03:30 PM (fiGNd)

90 What are the odds these kid's parents are Dems?

Posted by: Gumby at May 18, 2018 03:30 PM (2LelM)

91
Yeah, Iron Cross was benign. But Hitler actually scored one. So bad.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at May 18, 2018 03:30 PM (LOgQ4)

92 I didn't read the comments but how many times was the FBI warned about him and ignored the threat while they chased "Russians" in the Trump campaign...

Posted by: Timon at May 18, 2018 03:30 PM (NTM5E)

93 "He gave himself up and admitted at the time that he didn't have the courage to commit the suicide," Tx. Gov. Abbott said.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 18, 2018 03:31 PM (jxbfJ)

94 I don't know what the media will do, but wouldn't this Templar stuff interfere with the gun control agenda?

Also, what if we could prove, without a doubt, that social media was responsible for 90% of these shootings. Does anyone think we would get rid of social media?

So far, all studies on the impact of social media on children and society have been negative. No one has even suggested we get rid of it.

On-line porn has also started to be proven as negative, especially to developing boys. And definitely to reality and relationships. Are we gonna get rid of that?

I'm not sure what I'm saying, except that society is very selective in what they want to jettison, based more on feelings then fact. But then again, humanity is nutz.

Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 18, 2018 03:31 PM (w45mR)

95
Did he have Xul or the Stay-Puft Marshmallow man on his lunchbox?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 18, 2018 03:31 PM (VM6ev)

96 Am wondering if the kid was a long time user of Ritalin or Zoloft or some other meds..

Posted by: IC at May 18, 2018 03:31 PM (a0IVu)

97 Shooter's name is Dimitrios Pagourtzis, which looks Greek
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"Greek HOMOS!!!"
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Seriously !!

Every thread with the gay paranoia?

*Huff*

Posted by: Huffy McHuff Huff at May 18, 2018 03:31 PM (c3s3Y)

98 (Star Trek's Mr. Spock was a subject of some controversy for appearing Devil-like.)

His greenish complexion was the result of copper (rather than iron) -based blood. There were also rumors of Vulcans possessing a bifurcated male member, reputedly the reason for the symbology of the hand position of greeting.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 18, 2018 03:31 PM (ctuyM)

99 87 BTW, I don't believe in a devil called "Baphomet" because he's not in the lists of all the devils listed in early books about the ranks of hell. He's a pretty new addition. Which makes me suspicious.
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Go to Hillary and look down the list from there.

Posted by: Gumby at May 18, 2018 03:32 PM (2LelM)

100 Baphomet? So he was a 33rd degree Mason?

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 18, 2018 03:32 PM (/qEW2)

101 43 Personally I'm proud of horde for not mentioning his ethnicity.

Posted by: enlightened moron at May 18, 2018 03:23 PM (COcka)

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Do we know the cocksucker's race?
______________________

Name is reportedly Dimitrios Pagourtzis, so my guess is Greek.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer, Tall Imperial Majesty . . . at May 18, 2018 03:32 PM (fqUgw)

102 Iron cross - Malta
Malt - Zima
Zima - Gay

The circle is complete.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 18, 2018 03:30 PM (VgKNm)

Makes more sense than AR-15-style shotgun. You have a future in not reporting news.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 18, 2018 03:32 PM (Dp6qK)

103 ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!

Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 18, 2018 03:32 PM (QQ+il)

104 What the hell did *I* do to get on this list with these losers?

Posted by: Cthulhu at May 18, 2018 03:32 PM (8rNrN)

105 Or, maybe he was just a garden variety psychopath and had symbols of things he identified with death, killing, evil, and the esoteric. As mentally ill people are wont to do. But it will be politicized. Insert rant about our broken mental health system here.

Posted by: joncelli, nominal Lutheran at May 18, 2018 03:32 PM (1FhAQ)

106 I really want to buy a Jerusalem Cross on white ballcap, just to see how many people would get it.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 18, 2018 03:32 PM (ycWCI)

107 96 Am wondering if the kid was a long time user of Ritalin or Zoloft or some other meds..
Posted by: IC at May 18, 2018 03:31 PM (a0IVu)

I'm wondering how long he was exposed to what's in the media on a daily basis.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 18, 2018 03:32 PM (VM6ev)

108 >>Reports say that his father was from Greece before moving to US.

And he went to a Greek Orthodox Church so I'm going with Greek.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 18, 2018 03:32 PM (/tuJf)

109 (Star Trek's Mr. Spock was a subject of some controversy for appearing Devil-like.)

Damnit Nimoy put that eyebrow down or I'll start over-pronouncing again!

Posted by: CAPTAIN Kirk at May 18, 2018 03:32 PM (FhXTo)

110 87
BTW, I don't believe in a devil called "Baphomet" because he's not in
the lists of all the devils listed in early books about the ranks of
hell. He's a pretty new addition. Which makes me suspicious.

Posted by: ace at May 18, 2018 03:30 PM (8rNrN)

Book with devils listed. Hmmmm, wonder if any old girlfriends are in there.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 18, 2018 03:32 PM (jxbfJ)

111 Wearing a trenchcoat? Was he going commando underneath?

Posted by: Don Lemon with masking tape on his forehead at May 18, 2018 03:32 PM (HgMAr)

112 An obvious MAGA nut. Trump is literally Hitler. I know because I saw it on CNN.

Posted by: Blacksheep at May 18, 2018 03:32 PM (8/DeP)

113 Shaved Guevara & Camera Hogg hardest hit

Posted by: Schneider's Brown Slave at May 18, 2018 03:33 PM (y3aQB)

114 108
>>Reports say that his father was from Greece before moving to US.

And he went to a Greek Orthodox Church so I'm going with Greek.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 18, 2018 03:32 PM (/tuJf)

Then he'll fit right in at the PMITA prison.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 18, 2018 03:33 PM (jxbfJ)

115 4

You know who else had Iron Crosses...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 18, 2018 03:17 PM (VM6ev)

"CURSES YOU RED BARON!"

Posted by: Snoopy, WWI Flying Ace at May 18, 2018 03:33 PM (UsCnO)

116 I'm wondering how long he was exposed to what's in the media on a daily basis.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 18, 2018 03:32 PM (VM6ev)
Yeah. that too. so much hate from our stupid ass media.

Posted by: IC at May 18, 2018 03:33 PM (a0IVu)

117 In fairness, Andrew Cuomo was the first to declare we should use shotguns, not Semi autos when he based the unconstitutional gun ban in NY.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 18, 2018 03:33 PM (f/r+K)

118 Weren't there German Jewish WWI vets who thought, "Nah, they'd never kill me, I'm a patriotic war hero. I was awarded the Iron Cross"?
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 18, 2018 03:30 PM (/qEW2)

Yes, there are reports of that being brought up during the collections and the young nazi shitheads becoming infuriated by it as some sort of insult to Germany (cognitive dissonance, no doubt).

Posted by: Keith at May 18, 2018 03:33 PM (USf3s)

119 Ace

re; Iron Cross.

Look up the Teutonic Knights.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at May 18, 2018 03:33 PM (fpSpD)

120 BTW, I don't believe in a devil called "Baphomet" because he's not in the lists of all the devils listed in early books about the ranks of hell. He's a pretty new addition. Which makes me suspicious.
Posted by: ace at May 18, 2018 03:30 PM (8rNrN)

Autocucumber error. Was supposed to be Beelzebub.

Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 18, 2018 03:33 PM (w45mR)

121 91
Yeah, Iron Cross was benign. But Hitler actually scored one. So bad.
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I thought he won two. He was courageous and nice to dogs. Divine Spark of Humanity.

Posted by: Gumby at May 18, 2018 03:33 PM (2LelM)

122

Baphomet was the lesser known brother of the ancient god Laundromat

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 18, 2018 03:33 PM (10vO4)

123 @77: "I believe that the two shooters at Columbine were also gay or bi. Anyone remember?"

Widely rumored, but never proven, but likely the kinda gossip that goes along with being one of those "weird goth outcast kids bullied by the football team."

Posted by: Walter Freeman at May 18, 2018 03:33 PM (I/iGu)

124 I grew up and went to school in Santa Fe from 1st to 10th grade. Some people I know had kids who were killed to day.

Aside from the heartache I feel for people that I grew up with losing their children it really burns my ass that the weak chinned little shit-stain is going to be all over the cable news media tonight dancing on the graves of these kids and using them to push his agenda.

Posted by: Astyrix at May 18, 2018 03:33 PM (MYz2g)

125 If you want to see Homeland Security on wheels, watch khou.

Never saw so many fed vehicles in one place. Trailers, RVs, trucks, armored vehicles.

Posted by: gp at May 18, 2018 03:33 PM (mk9aG)

126 111
Wearing a trenchcoat? Was he going commando underneath?

Posted by: Don Lemon with masking tape on his forehead at May 18, 2018 03:32 PM (HgMAr)

And at this stage, aren't school doors supposed to be locked? Aren't you supposed to be buzzed in? How the hell did he get in?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 18, 2018 03:33 PM (jxbfJ)

127 98
(Star Trek's Mr. Spock was a subject of some controversy for appearing Devil-like.)

His
greenish complexion was the result of copper (rather than iron) -based
blood. There were also rumors of Vulcans possessing a bifurcated male
member, reputedly the reason for the symbology of the hand position of
greeting.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 18, 2018 03:31 PM (ctuyM)

What the?

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at May 18, 2018 03:33 PM (ymnmz)

128 Iron cross - Malta
Malt - Zima
Zima - Gay

The circle is complete.

Posted by: Moron Robbie

Ouch. The East German judge gives a 9.3 for that gymnastic feat.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 18, 2018 03:34 PM (RkYsP)

129 125
If you want to see Homeland Security on wheels, watch khou.

Never saw so many fed vehicles in one place. Trailers, RVs, trucks, armored vehicles.

Posted by: gp at May 18, 2018 03:33 PM (mk9aG)

Finest our money can buy.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 18, 2018 03:34 PM (jxbfJ)

130 Duh!

An AR-15-style weapon. It shoots a projectile and goes boom!

Duh!

Posted by: The Press at May 18, 2018 03:34 PM (vDqXW)

131 23 Little wonder only the Jews did banking after Phillipe IV arrested, tortured, and burned at the stake the Christian Templars who had plied the Devil's Trade. "

Actually - a lot of Templars were able to disapear as the hammer was falling. Top leadership was rounded up, but most of the lower levels vanished, as did most of the Templar's treasure. That was what pissed Phillip off more than anything.

At the time, it was widely rumored that many had escaped to the cantons making up what is now Switzerland, which even then were very independent and free from the control of any of the royal houses.

and within a generation of that, the great Swiss Banking Houses began to become known. Their rise from what was such a backwater was a great mystery, since it appeared that they had sprung into existence out of thin air.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 18, 2018 03:34 PM (k1TUh)

132 118 Weren't there German Jewish WWI vets who thought, "Nah, they'd never kill me, I'm a patriotic war hero. I was awarded the Iron Cross"?
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 18, 2018 03:30 PM (/qEW2)

Yes, there are reports of that being brought up during the collections and the young nazi shitheads becoming infuriated by it as some sort of insult to Germany (cognitive dissonance, no doubt).
Posted by: Keith at May 18, 2018 03:33 PM (USf3s)

An Auschwitz survivor of the Sonderkommando encountered several Jewish WW1 vets in the gas chamber and when they protested, the SS men laughed in their face.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 18, 2018 03:34 PM (VM6ev)

133 I'm thinking this isn't what The Velvet Underground was all about.

Posted by: Gumby at May 18, 2018 03:34 PM (2LelM)

134 Do you know who else started out as a builder?
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic

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Bob?
Posted by: rickb223 at May 18, 2018 03:28 PM

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Posted by: Bob from NSA at May 18, 2018 03:35 PM (ctuyM)

135 There were also rumors of Vulcans possessing a bifurcated male member, reputedly the reason for the symbology of the hand position of greeting.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 18, 2018 03:31 PM (ctuyM)

What the?
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless

He could hit the pink & the stink at the same time.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 18, 2018 03:35 PM (RkYsP)

136 Widely rumored, but never proven, but likely the kinda gossip that goes along with being one of those "weird goth outcast kids bullied by the football team."

Posted by: Walter Freeman at May 18, 2018 03:33 PM (I/iGu)

Part of what makes this one different ... the Greek Freak was ON the JV team. Apparently not bad, either.

Posted by: ScoggDog at May 18, 2018 03:35 PM (fiGNd)

137 On-line porn has also started to be proven as negative, especially to developing boys. And definitely to reality and relationships. Are we gonna get rid of that?

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Look what it did to Japan. Probably wiped out more Japanese of the future than Fat Man.

Posted by: DRG at May 18, 2018 03:35 PM (j6Nfv)

138 The French King accused the Templars of heresy because he had borrowed heavily from them and didn't want to repay the debt. Thus we have unlucky Friday the 13th and one of life's important lessons--don't lend money to cheapskates with armies at their disposal.

Posted by: IanDeal at May 18, 2018 03:35 PM (5mrLG)

139 A Bill Kristol prot�g� obviously.....

Posted by: Jak Sucio at May 18, 2018 03:35 PM (Y9uH4)

140 Baphomet may be a corruption of "Mahomet," which in turn could be a corruption of Mohammad; it could be that the Templars (who'd spent years in Islamic lands) incorporated some Islamic icons into their religion.

Which would indeed be blasphemous, yet not quite the same as devil-worship.

sez who?

Posted by: yankeefifth at May 18, 2018 03:35 PM (MTjB1)

141 >>>Autocucumber error. Was supposed to be Beelzebub.

Beelzebub is the kind of devil with a long history I'd expect in devil worship.

I don't get this "Baphomet" arriviste.

Posted by: ace at May 18, 2018 03:35 PM (8rNrN)

142 64 (Star Trek's Mr. Spock was a subject of some controversy for appearing Devil-like.)

He has no heart, Jim!!!

Posted by: captain ronald tracey at May 18, 2018 03:27 PM
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FIFY

Posted by: Bones at May 18, 2018 03:36 PM (Roy2Z)

143 I was joking just the other day with my boy and buying a long leather trench coat. We were both laughing it up.

Posted by: Gumby at May 18, 2018 03:36 PM (2LelM)

144 Yeah, Iron Cross was benign. But Hitler actually scored one. So bad.
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I thought he won two. He was courageous and nice to dogs. Divine Spark of Humanity.

Posted by: Gumby at May 18, 2018 03:33 PM

Sorry, maybe I'm confusing it with the number of testicles he sported.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at May 18, 2018 03:36 PM (LOgQ4)

145 >>>The French King accused the Templars of heresy because he had borrowed heavily from them and didn't want to repay the debt. Thus we have unlucky Friday the 13th and one of life's important lessons--don't lend money to cheapskates with armies at their disposal.

exactly. And then I think they also just happened to avail themselves of the Templars' fortune, because, you know, if it's the Devil's Money, you have to confiscate it, right?

Posted by: ace at May 18, 2018 03:37 PM (8rNrN)

146 143 I was joking just the other day with my boy and buying a long leather trench coat. We were both laughing it up.
Posted by: Gumby at May 18, 2018 03:36 PM (2LelM)

Eric von Zipper hardest hit.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 18, 2018 03:37 PM (VM6ev)

147 "On-line porn has also started to be proven as negative, especially to developing boys. And definitely to reality and relationships. Are we gonna get rid of that? "

As soon as chicks start putting out for good guys instead of the bad boys. Don't hold your breath.

Posted by: gp at May 18, 2018 03:37 PM (mk9aG)

148 35 Personally I'm proud of horde for not mentioning his ethnicity.
Posted by: enlightened moron at May 18, 2018 03:23 PM (COcka)

Given the location I'm guessing Hispanic. Doesn't matter, he'll be temporarily white for the duration.

Posted by: joncelli, nominal Lutheran at May 18, 2018 03:37 PM (1FhAQ)

149 138 The French King accused the Templars of heresy because he had borrowed heavily from them and didn't want to repay the debt. Thus we have unlucky Friday the 13th and one of life's important lessons--don't lend money to cheapskates with armies at their disposal.
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Don't tell this to Trump.

Posted by: Gumby at May 18, 2018 03:37 PM (2LelM)

150 "He gave himself up and admitted at the time that he didn't have the courage to commit the suicide," Tx. Gov. Abbott said.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 18, 2018 03:31 PM (jxbfJ)
............

"Those shotgun blasts look like they really hurt" he said.

Posted by: wth at May 18, 2018 03:37 PM (HgMAr)

151 37
I'm guessing bullying leading to gay kids shooting up a school will be borderline okay.

Raising awareness or something.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 18, 2018 03:24 PM (VgKNm)

So good to see that the Re-Education Camp experience is working.

Posted by: Barky and Big Mike at May 18, 2018 03:37 PM (UsCnO)

152 The Gaelic (or Celtic) cross is a Christian cross with the arms of the cross linked by a halo-like circle used in Early Christian Ireland and Scotland. I always figured it was because it was easier to carve a cross's arms out of rock that way but I've no evidence of that. And, yeah, the White Power types have appropriated it. (The real Celtic ones usually feature dice and roosters too referencing the Roman soldiers casting lots for Christ's cloak; and the rooster about St Peter denying Christ three times.)

Odin's cross is different although I think Euro neonazis use it.

There are probably histories for them at Wiki.

Posted by: andycanuck at May 18, 2018 03:37 PM (Evws/)

153 Actually - a lot of Templars were able to disapear as the hammer was falling. Top leadership was rounded up, but most of the lower levels vanished, as did most of the Templar's treasure. That was what pissed Phillip off more than anything.

At the time, it was widely rumored that many had escaped to the cantons making up what is now Switzerland, which even then were very independent and free from the control of any of the royal houses.

and within a generation of that, the great Swiss Banking Houses began to become known. Their rise from what was such a backwater was a great mystery, since it appeared that they had sprung into existence out of thin air.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 18, 2018 03:34 PM (k1TUh)

Interesting. The stuff I learn each day at AoSHQ!!

Posted by: SteveOReno at May 18, 2018 03:37 PM (2sCft)

154 @136: "... the Greek Freak was ON the JV team. Apparently not bad, either."

Football team hazing stories incoming any moment now.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at May 18, 2018 03:37 PM (I/iGu)

155 Cuz shotgunz don't kill....????

Fucking lefttards. Scared of an AR15 when a 12ga will fuck you up worse.

Gosh damnit will never understand these people.

Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at May 18, 2018 03:38 PM (0OmEj)

156 Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me.

Posted by: Freddie Mercury at May 18, 2018 03:38 PM (fuK7c)

157 All those symbols also represent power.

Someone who felt weak and worthless would likely be drawn to them, especially as a teenager.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 18, 2018 03:38 PM (4ErVI)

158 Look what it did to Japan. Probably wiped out more Japanese of the future than Fat Man.
Posted by: DRG

I think banzai charges had more to do with that than anything. When you have 40,000 on an island and only capture 300 alive, that tends to skew your future.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 18, 2018 03:38 PM (RkYsP)

159 What the?
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at May 18, 2018 03:33 PM

Documented in a book written about ST:TOS in the late '60s by one of the people orbiting Roddenberry.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 18, 2018 03:39 PM (ctuyM)

160 Gosh damnit will never understand these people.

Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at May 18, 2018 03:38 PM (0OmEj)

They aren't put here to be understood. They are put here to be mocked.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 18, 2018 03:39 PM (Dp6qK)

161 and within a generation of that, the great Swiss Banking Houses began to become known. Their rise from what was such a backwater was a great mystery, since it appeared that they had sprung into existence out of thin air.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 18, 2018 03:34 PM (k1TUh)

Also amazing how the Swiss were all of a sudden competent militarily and no one wanted to screw with them.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 18, 2018 03:39 PM (ycWCI)

162
I thought he won two. He was courageous and nice to dogs. Divine Spark of Humanity.
Posted by: Gumby at May 18, 2018 03:33 PM

He was a runner,which was one of the most dangerous jobs in any army during WWI.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 18, 2018 03:39 PM (10vO4)

163
Look what it did to Japan. Probably wiped out more Japanese of the future than Fat Man.
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Happening here now.

Lowest birthrate in 30 years.

Posted by: simplemind at May 18, 2018 03:39 PM (cbhOW)

164 oh btw, that Wikpedia article mentions that "Mahomet" might also be a corruption of "mammet," which is an old word meaning "false god."

You wouldn't worship something you're calling a *False* God.

You might collect an idol of that False God to show that your own God is superior to it because, hey, God gave you the strength to smite their warriors and raid their temple.

Posted by: ace at May 18, 2018 03:39 PM (8rNrN)

165 It's pretty simple. Phillip IV had the Templars killed because he owed them money and thought them too powerful. Most of the crap you posted comes from the effort to destroy them. He needed a pretext, but he also needed a reason to wipe them from peoples memory. So he spread rumors for which there is really no evidence, or for which the "evidence" is questionable or due to another explanation. He did his work well. There are still people today repeating this utter nonsense.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 18, 2018 03:39 PM (f/r+K)

166 I really want to buy a Jerusalem Cross on white ballcap
I thought the Hymietown baseball club used pinstripes?

Posted by: andycanuck at May 18, 2018 03:39 PM (Evws/)

167 71 Shooter's name is Dimitrios Pagourtzis, which looks Greek but not quite. Once you're into the Balkans and east I don't think bloodlines untangle so neatly.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 18, 2018 03:28 PM (fuK7c)
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Yeah, Greek-ish.
The first name would normally indicate some kind of E Orthodox background.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 18, 2018 03:40 PM (0jtPF)

168 Wait until all of the little 6 year olds who have started hormone treatment because their parents saw the boy color with a pink crayon or the girl throw a football begin hitting high school age.

We ain't seen nuthin' yet.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 18, 2018 03:40 PM (VgKNm)

169 exactly. And then I think they also just happened to avail themselves of the Templars' fortune, because, you know, if it's the Devil's Money, you have to confiscate it, right?

Posted by: ace at May 18, 2018 03:37 PM (8rNrN)

They tried, but they came out empty-handed, essentially.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 18, 2018 03:40 PM (gyfiU)

170 "He gave himself up and admitted at the time that he didn't have the courage to commit the suicide," Tx. Gov. Abbott said.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed

And yet, the cops took him alive. Sorry.

"He pointed his weapon at me".

Posted by: rickb223 at May 18, 2018 03:40 PM (RkYsP)

171 Star Trek's Mr. Spock was a subject of some controversy for appearing Devil-like.)

His
greenish complexion was the result of copper (rather than iron) -based
blood. There were also rumors of Vulcans possessing a bifurcated male
member, reputedly the reason for the symbology of the hand position of
greeting.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 18, 2018 03:31 PM (ctuyM)

What the?
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at May 18, 2018 03:33 PM (ymnmz)

Where do you guys get this stuff! And why do you believe it! Plus, don't tell me, bcz why waste my time.

Nimoy has explained the hand gesture numerous times. He came up with from seeing it at a Jewish ceremony of some kind. It was not even the writers who invented it. It had nothing to do with what was indicated above.

Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 18, 2018 03:40 PM (w45mR)

172 156 Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me.

Posted by: Freddie Mercury at May 18, 2018 03:38 PM (fuK7c)

I had the devil inside.

Posted by: Zombie Michael Hutchence at May 18, 2018 03:40 PM (Dp6qK)

173 Afraid to commit suicide?

So much for honoring his Rising Sun pin.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at May 18, 2018 03:40 PM (I/iGu)

174 and within a generation of that, the great Swiss Banking Houses began to become known. Their rise from what was such a backwater was a great mystery, since it appeared that they had sprung into existence out of thin air.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 18, 2018 03:34 PM (k1TUh)

Also amazing how the Swiss were all of a sudden competent militarily and no one wanted to screw with them
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Hidden history. Things happen for a reason. And sometimes the reasons are written down in the history books.

Posted by: simplemind at May 18, 2018 03:40 PM (hJs5h)

175 Texas shooter wore a bisexual pride heart pin on his hat

Well, why didn't you say so?

*changes tune*

Mass-murderers are people, too, you know.

Posted by: t-bird at May 18, 2018 03:40 PM (c/EDo)

176 AR-style weapon, huh?

Bless their hearts.

Posted by: SMH - Get right or get left at May 18, 2018 03:40 PM (UiGQV)

177 152
Odin's cross is different although I think Euro neonazis use it.

There are probably histories for them at Wiki.
Posted by: andycanuck at May 18, 2018 03:37 PM (Evws/)
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Thanks for the clarification. Odin's has all four arms of equal length, so it's square. The Celtic cross has a longer arm on the bottom like a traditional Latin cross.

Posted by: SteveOReno at May 18, 2018 03:40 PM (2sCft)

178 Yeah, Greek-ish.

The first name would normally indicate some kind of E Orthodox background.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 18, 2018 03:40 PM (0jtPF)

Well ... no Casseroles or Jello Salads were found at the school ... so I think we can rule out the Lutherans.

Posted by: ScoggDog at May 18, 2018 03:41 PM (fiGNd)

179 when did the Swiss landsknecht mercenaries come about? 16th C?

anyway, grist for conspiracy theories

Posted by: ace at May 18, 2018 03:41 PM (8rNrN)

180 Thank God he wasn't wearing a Navy Cross. Totes Gay.

Posted by: Gumby at May 18, 2018 03:41 PM (2LelM)

181 Obscure Great War trivia.

German pilot Uffz Fritz Beckhardt, who was Jewish, flew a Siemens-Schuckert DIII with a swastika because at the time it was a luck symbol. United States Army Air Crops had a fighter squadron that also used the swastika in the inter-war period.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at May 18, 2018 03:41 PM (fpSpD)

182 CNN has pictures of the kid up.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 18, 2018 03:41 PM (4ErVI)

183 Shooter's name is Dimitrios Pagourtzis,

Cypriot?

Posted by: t-bird at May 18, 2018 03:41 PM (c/EDo)

184 sounds like another sad, lost, and confused kid...possibly with severe mental illness (and the associated pharmaceutical chaos)... feel terrible for the city of Sante Fe and the survivors and families impacted....

Posted by: wd at May 18, 2018 03:41 PM (+MZSm)

185 There were also rumors of Vulcans possessing a bifurcated male member, reputedly the reason for the symbology of the hand position of greeting."

LOL! Somebody smoked way too much dope at a con! Nimoy was the one who made it up, impromptu, and he has written that he based it on a Priestly Blessing meant to symbolize the hebrew letter "shin."

So, quite literally, the Vulcan greeting is Jewish.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 18, 2018 03:41 PM (k1TUh)

186 re 117: and I saw on the yahoo main page that NY gov Cuomo is demanding that Trump and Congress do something. Maybe we can pass a federal law making it illegal to use shotguns to shoot at people.

Posted by: mallfly suPreme at May 18, 2018 03:42 PM (KxbBq)

187 so are we officially a pro-Templar blog then?

Posted by: ace at May 18, 2018 03:42 PM (8rNrN)

188 Reports on the radio said a shotgun and .38 revolver. No AR-15 or assault derringer...

Posted by: Timon at May 18, 2018 03:42 PM (NTM5E)

189 I don't get this "Baphomet" arriviste.

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I am kind of like culottes I am de la mode every other centennial.

Posted by: Baphomet at May 18, 2018 03:42 PM (j6Nfv)

190 sez who?
That's what I said in #28, infidel!

Posted by: allah at May 18, 2018 03:43 PM (Evws/)

191 If he'd murdered 10 Republican Congresscritters instead, this would be a non-story.

Posted by: ShainS at May 18, 2018 03:43 PM (oPXLu)

192 Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me.
Posted by: Freddie Mercury at May 18, 2018 03:38 PM (fuK7c)
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Since you were Zoroastrian, wasn't that more likely Angra Mainyu?

Posted by: The Press at May 18, 2018 03:43 PM (vDqXW)

193 >>>188 Reports on the radio said a shotgun and .38 revolver. No AR-15 or assault derringer...

you don't say

Posted by: ace at May 18, 2018 03:43 PM (8rNrN)

194 >>>"Texas shooter wore a bisexual pride heart pin on his hat in a photo from his Instagram account reposted by the Dallas CBS affiliate."

Ok, well that explains the Greek angle. I was confused by that. I guess like most homos he felt insufficiently "affirmed".

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 18, 2018 03:43 PM (/qEW2)

195 Where do you guys get this stuff! And why do you believe it! Plus, don't tell me, bcz why waste my time.
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This is what passes for humor among men.

Not. Serious. You might want to pause a beat before you type.

Posted by: simplemind at May 18, 2018 03:43 PM (98pXL)

196 Fucking lefttards. Scared of an AR15 when a 12ga will fuck you up worse.
............

Clean up is a bitch.

Posted by: the school janitor at May 18, 2018 03:43 PM (HgMAr)

197 Look what it did to Japan. Probably wiped out more Japanese of the future than Fat Man.
=====
Happening here now.

Lowest birthrate in 30 years.
Posted by: simplemind

That has more to do with divorce court and estrogen fed soy bois than pron.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 18, 2018 03:43 PM (RkYsP)

198 Hey JJ, It got willowed in the other thread but AWR Hawkins screwed the pooch with that Rauner gun control piece you posted a few days ago. No way for you to know but as one IL pro gun lobbyist pointed out he wished AWR would pick up the phone before he posts damaging crap.

Rauner may be a RINO but he is at least seems solid on the 2nd (which we'll take give we will never have a red meat gov in IL). His bill was actually a clever move that screwed over the forces trying to box him in this campaign season.

AWR was informed, not that it mattered much.

Posted by: Keith at May 18, 2018 03:43 PM (USf3s)

199
So, quite literally, the Vulcan greeting is Jewish.

Posted by: Tom Servo

"Do all of you Vulcans have pointy ears?"
"Yes."

"Have copper-based blood?"
"Yes."

"Wear those beanies?"
"Only the Orthodox ones."

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 18, 2018 03:43 PM (BWL+E)

200

Update: I saw an article claiming the shooter carried an "AR-15-style" weapon -- what's that?

This article says he carried a sawed-off shotgun and pistol. Doesn't mention an AR-15-style weapon.

Whoa, Ace!

A shotgun is of course AR-15-style. They both have triggers, barrels, and literally ignite a FIRE!, I repeat, FIRE!, every time one is shot.

IT IS REAL FIRE!!!

Posted by: Stupid Lefties and their deformed prodegy at May 18, 2018 03:44 PM (UsCnO)

201 I bet he had a safety pin somewhere too. Remember when the safety pin was a sign of La Resistance? Whatever happened to that stupidity?

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at May 18, 2018 03:44 PM (UBzPO)

202 185 There were also rumors of Vulcans possessing a bifurcated male member, reputedly the reason for the symbology of the hand position of greeting."

LOL! Somebody smoked way too much dope at a con! Nimoy was the one who made it up, impromptu, and he has written that he based it on a Priestly Blessing meant to symbolize the hebrew letter "shin."

So, quite literally, the Vulcan greeting is Jewish.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 18, 2018 03:41 PM (k1TUh)

You are right, sir!

The fingers form the Hebrew letter "shin" which also means "the power of G-d." So at the end of a service, you bow your head and the rabbi extends his hands outward to the congregants as he makes that symbol and chants "may the Lord bless you and keep you, and may His countenance shine upon you..." etc. before concluding the service.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 18, 2018 03:44 PM (VM6ev)

203 Sucks to be this guy.

https://www.bloomberg.com/profiles/people/3210751-dimitris-pagourtzis

"Pagourtzis" appears greek.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 18, 2018 03:44 PM (Dp6qK)

204 Football team hazing stories incoming any moment now.
Posted by: Walter Freeman at May 18, 2018 03:37 PM (I/iGu)

I've already read students saying the coaches gave him a hard time for smelling and wearing a black trenchcoat everyday. Well, then, he definitely was triggered to go on a shooting rampage to slaughter innocents. *eyeroll*

Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 18, 2018 03:44 PM (w45mR)

205 FBI visited his house before hand. The interview has been scrubbed already but Twitter is talking about it. Somebody screen shot his instagram page where he talks about them coming but but the page has been scrubbed.

Ill fetch the screen shot from pol. brb.

Posted by: Monk at May 18, 2018 03:44 PM (2yfcr)

206 P R U S S I A N S ! ! !

Posted by: NOT rOBERT mUELLER at May 18, 2018 03:44 PM (du45m)

207 Star Trek geekery again.

Yes NBC expressed concern over the ears on Spock gave him a devilish appearance. And the green tint job they gave Spock on black+white TV sets made him look darker. Plus the cantilevered eyebrows and all that was missing was a pitchfork.

Wonder how Orion slave girls look in black+white then?

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at May 18, 2018 03:44 PM (fpSpD)

208 so are we officially a pro-Templar blog then
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As a smart military blog I think we have to be.

Posted by: simplemind at May 18, 2018 03:44 PM (xu7gt)

209 Shooter's name is Dimitrios Pagourtzis, which looks Greek but not quite. Once you're into the Balkans and east I don't think bloodlines untangle so neatly.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May

yep. you may find the name is popular in regions dominated by orthodox religions but that it does not necessarily indicate the holder is orthodox.

Posted by: yankeefifth at May 18, 2018 03:44 PM (MTjB1)

210 so are we officially a pro-Templar blog then?

Posted by: ace at May 18, 2018 03:42 PM (8rNrN)

I like the Templars. They were pretty cool. They invented traveler's checks.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 18, 2018 03:44 PM (gyfiU)

211 Whatever happened to that stupidity?

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at May 18, 2018 03:44 PM (UBzPO)

Death by a thousand mocks.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 18, 2018 03:44 PM (Dp6qK)

212 so are we officially a pro-Templar blog then?

Posted by: ace at May 18, 2018 03:42 PM (8rNrN)
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With longbows or crossbows?

Posted by: Axeman at May 18, 2018 03:44 PM (vDqXW)

213 United States Army Air Crops had a fighter squadron that also used the swastika in the inter-war period.

Someone should wake up MP4 for this comment.

There was a Clara Bow silent called "Wings" in which she was wearing a swastika symbol helmet, for luck as this was pre-Nazi.

Also the only time she ever took her shirt off on camera.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 18, 2018 03:44 PM (fuK7c)

214 so are we officially a pro-Templar blog then?

Posted by: ace at May 18, 2018 03:42 PM (8rNrN)
...........

Only if the Oak Island boys actually find something.

Posted by: wth at May 18, 2018 03:44 PM (HgMAr)

215 Reports on the radio said a shotgun and .38 revolver.

Well, I guess we've just got to close the shotgun and pistol loophole, don't we?

Posted by: t-bird at May 18, 2018 03:44 PM (c/EDo)

216 @178: "no Casseroles ... we can rule out the Lutherans."

I hope they aren't feeding their kids baked tater tots with Rotel and Velveeta. If so, then those parents only have themselves to blame.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at May 18, 2018 03:45 PM (I/iGu)

217 Authorities say Pagourtzis was armed with a shotgun and a .38 revolver
that belonged to his father. They believe those weapons were legally
owned by his father.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 18, 2018 03:45 PM (jxbfJ)

218 The media will play up the Iron Cross angle and equate it with Nazism, which is a slander to everyone of German heritage. My great-grandfather earned an Iron Cross in WW1 and he was most definitely not a Nazi. His son, my grandfather, was later imprisoned by the Nazi's for being anti-Hitler. His sentence was reduced and he was sent to the Russian front to die. He survived but was seriously wounded in the march toward Stalingrad.

Posted by: Guzalot at May 18, 2018 03:45 PM (prSvo)

219 I read somewhere the school shooter also had an Antifa symbol on his coat. How does that square with being a Nazi?

Posted by: Marmo - yes, I am entertained, thank you very much at May 18, 2018 03:45 PM (fq72/)

220 Wait for it.... Assault style shotgun!

Never mind that a good old Mossberg 500 will kill you just as dead. duck or human.

Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at May 18, 2018 03:45 PM (0OmEj)

221 And yet, the cops took him alive. Sorry.

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Unfortunately seventeen neighborhood dogs were found shot multiple times in the confusion.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 18, 2018 03:45 PM (VgKNm)

222 Did the Templars put carrots in their chili?

Posted by: Axeman at May 18, 2018 03:45 PM (vDqXW)

223 Honestly why do not these people just shoot themselves and do it spectacularly?

Oh that's right. No media coverage like this.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 18, 2018 03:45 PM (f/r+K)

224 >>>. He came up with from seeing it at a Jewish ceremony of some kind.

This is much lamer than the "double dong" theory.

Posted by: wooga at May 18, 2018 03:45 PM (pKDUC)

225 so are we officially a pro-Templar blog then?
Posted by: ace

DeMolay. Jacques DeMolay.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 18, 2018 03:45 PM (RkYsP)

226 2 CNN has pictures of the kid up.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 18, 2018 03:41 PM (4ErVI)

*******

CNN- I always make them do that- Andy Warhol gave me the idea.

Posted by: Baphomet at May 18, 2018 03:45 PM (j6Nfv)

227 213 United States Army Air Crops had a fighter squadron that also used the swastika in the inter-war period.

Someone should wake up MP4 for this comment.

There was a Clara Bow silent called "Wings" in which she was wearing a swastika symbol helmet, for luck as this was pre-Nazi.

Also the only time she ever took her shirt off on camera.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 18, 2018 03:44 PM (fuK7c)

IIRC, it was an Indian chief whose headdress had the swastika on it.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 18, 2018 03:45 PM (VM6ev)

228 Reports on the radio said a shotgun and .38 revolver.

Well, I guess we've just got to close the shotgun and pistol loophole, don't we?
Posted by: t-bird at May 18, 2018 03:44 PM (c/EDo)

Thank god. It's sad to have this reaction but that is were we are at now.

Posted by: Keith at May 18, 2018 03:46 PM (USf3s)

229 Am wondering if the kid was a long time user of Ritalin or Zoloft or some other meds..

Posted by: IC at May 18, 2018 03:31 PM (a0IVu)

We've still not heard about the Parkland or Vegas shooter's prescription drug use. I used to sell an antidepressant. All those Psychotropic drugs are potentially fucking poison...

Posted by: Timon at May 18, 2018 03:46 PM (NTM5E)

230 ...wore a bisexual pride heart pin...

Well, we had already ruled out a political motive, but this seals it.

Posted by: FBI at May 18, 2018 03:46 PM (c/EDo)

231 Well ... no Casseroles or Jello Salads were found at the school ... so I think we can rule out the Lutherans.

You forgot the exploding lutefisk and sauerkraut bombs.

Posted by: Basement Cat at May 18, 2018 03:46 PM (3C9q2)

232 when did the Swiss landsknecht mercenaries come about? 16th C?

anyway, grist for conspiracy theories
Posted by: ace at May 18, 2018 03:41 PM (8rNrN)

The Swiss pikemen were prominent in the 15th C and started to decline late in the 16th C when firearms became better developed. The landsknecht were actually Germans fighting in the Swiss style.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at May 18, 2018 03:47 PM (5Yee7)

233 Not only are Democrats commies, commies are Democrats.

Venezuela's Maduro Plans To Bring In Colombians To Vote For Him

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 18, 2018 03:47 PM (+y/Ru)

234 FBI visited his house before hand. The interview has been scrubbed already but Twitter is talking about it. Somebody screen shot his instagram page where he talks about them coming but but the page has been scrubbed.

Ill fetch the screen shot from pol. brb.

Posted by: Monk at May 18, 2018 03:44 PM (2yfcr)
..........

Oh boy. Here we go again.

Posted by: wth at May 18, 2018 03:47 PM (HgMAr)

235 This is much lamer than the "double dong" theory.

Posted by: wooga at May 18, 2018 03:45 PM (pKDUC)
Speaking of dong, I met a Chinese gentleman named Dong Song. He told me to call him Dong...I went w/ Mr. Song instead.

Posted by: IC at May 18, 2018 03:47 PM (a0IVu)

236 231 Well ... no Casseroles or Jello Salads were found at the school ... so I think we can rule out the Lutherans.

You forgot the exploding lutefisk and sauerkraut bombs.
Posted by: Basement Cat at May 18, 2018 03:46 PM (3C9q2)

And kishke and matzo balls. What about tzatziki?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 18, 2018 03:47 PM (VM6ev)

237 181 Obscure Great War trivia.

German pilot Uffz Fritz Beckhardt, who was Jewish, flew a Siemens-Schuckert DIII with a swastika because at the time it was a luck symbol. United States Army Air Crops had a fighter squadron that also used the swastika in the inter-war period.

The US 45th Infantry Division, made up mainly of units from the southwest, used a Swastika as their divisional insignia until 1939. They picked it in honor of the Navajo, who called it the "whirling logs" and had used it for centuries. I think there's even been some depictions of it found on the pictographs near old Anasazi ruins.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 18, 2018 03:47 PM (k1TUh)

238 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 18, 2018 03:44 PM (VM6ev)

Hey, I posted the correct explanation way before Tom at #171!! Where's my "You are Right"??

Dammit! I get no respect.
*kicks dirt*

Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 18, 2018 03:47 PM (w45mR)

239 sez who?
That's what I said in #28, infidel!
Posted by: allah at May

mine was better though.

ps

you know, you are doing the "potato potahto" thing wrong. the point of the potato potahto is that the spelling is the same but the pronunciation is different.

Posted by: yankeefifth at May 18, 2018 03:47 PM (MTjB1)

240 I like the Templars. They were pretty cool. They invented traveler's checks.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 18, 2018 03:44 PM (gyfiU)

No, Brother. They don't accept these at THIS damn inn either. Can you front me until I can cash this ? You know I'm good for it.

Posted by: Knight Templar on the Road at May 18, 2018 03:47 PM (fiGNd)

241 I've studied the Templars for years, and the truth has convinced me they were at heart a force for good.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 18, 2018 03:47 PM (f/r+K)

242 "may the Lord bless you and keep you, and may His countenance shine upon you..."
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. . . may the road rise to meet you and may he hold you in the palm of his hand . . .

Hey paddy guess what -- we're Jewish!

Posted by: simplemind at May 18, 2018 03:47 PM (c3s3Y)

243 He came up with from seeing it at a Jewish ceremony of some kind.

It was from the act of laying t'fillin, where a "shin" is spelled with the leather wrapped around the hand and arm.

"Lay T'fillin? I hardly knew her!"

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 18, 2018 03:47 PM (gyfiU)

244 Interesting choice of weapons made by the animal. Having said that, if you really want to fuck something up, use a 12ga. Devastating.

Posted by: Weasel at May 18, 2018 03:48 PM (MVjcR)

245 187 so are we officially a pro-Templar blog then?
Posted by: ace at May 18, 2018 03:42 PM (8r

I'm getting a T-shirt printed up with the Crusader with the Chik-Fil-A symbol on his shield. Sounds like the official AoS Knight Templar to me.

Posted by: joncelli, nominal Lutheran at May 18, 2018 03:48 PM (1FhAQ)

246 @187: "so are we officially a pro-Templar blog then?"

I'm pretty sure I remember seeing the old Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade knight dancing in the background of the Yub Nub scenes.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at May 18, 2018 03:48 PM (I/iGu)

247

Facebook isn't pushing this story.

Way down on their progressive-curated trending list.

Go figure.

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Raniere at May 18, 2018 03:48 PM (g55Q1)

248 187 so are we officially a pro-Templar blog then?
Posted by: ace at May 18, 2018 03:42 PM (8rNrN)

++++
Decidedly so! The order was originally formed to protect Christian pilgrims traveling to the Holy Land. That's pretty noble.

Posted by: SteveOReno at May 18, 2018 03:49 PM (2sCft)

249 >>>
With longbows or crossbows?

i dunno. I'd think they would carry crossbows because they require less training but didn't the pope declare the crossbow a dishonorable and sinful weapon?

Posted by: ace at May 18, 2018 03:49 PM (8rNrN)

250 Instagram screen shot of him talking about police/FBI searching his house day before. There is other spooky shit as well going on.

http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1526668919127.png

Posted by: Monk at May 18, 2018 03:49 PM (2yfcr)

251 FBI visited his house before hand. The interview has been scrubbed already but Twitter is talking about it. Somebody screen shot his instagram page where he talks about them coming but but the page has been scrubbed.

Ill fetch the screen shot from pol. brb.

Posted by: Monk
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The FBI is just about done.

Posted by: simplemind at May 18, 2018 03:49 PM (Hj9AZ)

252 219 I read somewhere the school shooter also had an Antifa symbol on his coat. How does that square with being a Nazi?

Posted by: Marmo - yes, I am entertained, thank you very much at May 18, 2018 03:45 PM (fq72/)

Someone nailed it upthread. It doesn't square. It is a sign of a troubled person searching for something.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 18, 2018 03:49 PM (Dp6qK)

253 Sawed off shot guns get the thingy that goes up sawed off. duh....and they are capable of firing more than 30 rounds so they need banned.

Posted by: Morons are Smart at May 18, 2018 03:49 PM (Ifnjf)

254 Dimitri explains his symbols:

https://bit.ly/2rVhTUL

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 18, 2018 03:49 PM (+y/Ru)

255 So what I hear you say is that he failed his saving throw vs. corruption and got possessed by a devil huh?

Posted by: Scott_T at May 18, 2018 03:49 PM (xGZ+b)

256 I saw Bifurcated Organ open for Nine Inch Nails at the Orpheum in 592638

Posted by: JT Kirock at May 18, 2018 03:49 PM (ymnmz)

257 @201: "Remember when the safety pin was a sign of La Resistance? Whatever happened to that stupidity?"

Many lonely progressive Twitter trolls still use paperclip emojis in their usernames.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at May 18, 2018 03:49 PM (I/iGu)

258 Seriously? If a black man with a gun had just shot 10 people dead and seriously injured a bunch of other, DOES ANYONE REALLY BELIEVE HE WOULD BE TAKEN ALIVE?

Seriously?

Posted by: Lamont Sanford at May 18, 2018 03:49 PM (du45m)

259 For the bifurcated penis the Vulcan Mohel gets to charge double...

Posted by: steevy at May 18, 2018 03:50 PM (LiyEm)

260 Has anyone mentioned that with that coat he sounds like the Walking Dude from The Stand?

Posted by: Focko Smitherman at May 18, 2018 03:50 PM (Ik2C5)

261 Knights Templar -> Illuminati -> Baphomet

Posted by: JackStraw at May 18, 2018 03:50 PM (/tuJf)

262 Interesting choice of weapons made by the animal. Having said that, if you really want to fuck something up, use a 12ga. Devastating.
Posted by: Weasel at May 18, 2018 03:48 PM (MVjcR)

My understanding is that most of the casualties at columbine were from the shotguns.

Posted by: Keith at May 18, 2018 03:50 PM (USf3s)

263 So if we're a pro-Templar blog, where do we stand on Freemasonry?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 18, 2018 03:50 PM (fuK7c)

264 So CNN had one of the weirdest links on this shooting. Under the main headline was a series of related articles, including an opinion piece on why Americans don't do anything following mass shootings. The URL had the date 2017/11/06, and the article had an update of February 2018. Did they just want an anti-gun opinion piece so badly that they just dredge one up from several months ago? This article, despite being edited, still lists the Texas church shooting as being perpetrated with an AR-556 rifle!

Then, the author (Mel Robbins), has other articles on gun control with CNN, such as a 2014 one about the problem being mental health, and not the NRA or lax gun control. Not sure what brainwashed her in the interim, but something got her on the "Is it enough? No. Will it stop the next shooter? Perhaps. What we do know is doing nothing is no longer acceptable. And we have to start somewhere." bandwagon (quote from her 2016 CNN gun control article).

Posted by: Grimaldi at May 18, 2018 03:50 PM (3MG/9)

265 >>>The Swiss pikemen were prominent in the 15th C and started to decline late in the 16th C when firearms became better developed. The landsknecht were actually Germans fighting in the Swiss style.

thanks. I had thought they were swiss but I barely know anything about them except that they were Boss.

Posted by: ace at May 18, 2018 03:50 PM (8rNrN)

266 The Dems and media's favorite new group to bleat about - MS-13 - use machetes in a lot of their tortures and murders of victims.

Ban them.

Posted by: Cheri at May 18, 2018 03:50 PM (oiNtH)

267 FBI visited his house before hand. The interview has been scrubbed already but Twitter is talking about it. Somebody screen shot his instagram page where he talks about them coming but but the page has been scrubbed.

Ill fetch the screen shot from pol. brb.

Posted by: Monk
==========
The FBI is just about done.
Posted by: simplemind

Has his house been opened up to the media for observation?

Posted by: rickb223 at May 18, 2018 03:51 PM (RkYsP)

268 "In his house in R'lyeh, dead Cthulhu waits, dreaming . . . .MAGA!"

Posted by: Publius Redux at May 18, 2018 03:51 PM (Fb9aZ)

269 Facebook isn't pushing this story.

Way down on their progressive-curated trending list.

Go figure.

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Raniere at May 18, 2018 03:48 PM (g55Q1)

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Huh. I bet they know A LOT more about this guy than anyone else, too.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 18, 2018 03:51 PM (VgKNm)

270 make yuggoth great again

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at May 18, 2018 03:52 PM (Dgpsa)

271 but was seriously wounded in the march toward Stalingrad.
------------------------
Million dollar wound considering what happened to his fellow soldiers at Stalingrad.

Posted by: Gumby at May 18, 2018 03:52 PM (2LelM)

272 Masonry shouldn't be free.

You should have to pay for it.

Posted by: Fred Sanford at May 18, 2018 03:52 PM (du45m)

273
There was a Clara Bow silent called "Wings" in which she was wearing a swastika symbol helmet, for luck as this was pre-Nazi.

There are still ornate street lights in Hollywood that were installed in the 1930's with swastikas along the base. The city is in the process of removing them.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 18, 2018 03:52 PM (10vO4)

274 261 Knights Templar -> Illuminati -> Baphomet

Posted by: JackStraw at May 18, 2018 03:50 PM (/tuJf)

Alabama > New Jersey > Rhode Island

Posted by: Baphomet at May 18, 2018 03:52 PM (j6Nfv)

275 So if we're a pro-Templar blog, where do we stand on Freemasonry?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 18, 2018 03:50 PM (fuK7c)
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Sounds dangerous without the mortar.

Posted by: Axeman at May 18, 2018 03:52 PM (vDqXW)

276 If the media starts pushing the anti-gun narrative - well I agree. Leftist are mentally ill and should not be allowed to have guns.

Posted by: Jade Sea at May 18, 2018 03:52 PM (DV+lu)

277 234 FBI visited his house before hand. The interview has been scrubbed already but Twitter is talking about it. Somebody screen shot his instagram page where he talks about them coming but but the page has been scrubbed.

Ill fetch the screen shot from pol. brb.

Posted by: Monk at May 18, 2018 03:44 PM (2yfcr)
..........

Oh boy. Here we go again.
Posted by: wth at May 18, 2018 03:47 PM (HgMAr)

Yeesh. It's like being noticed by the Bureau is what sets these idiots off.

Posted by: joncelli, nominal Lutheran at May 18, 2018 03:52 PM (1FhAQ)

278 271 but was seriously wounded in the march toward Stalingrad.
------------------------
Million dollar wound considering what happened to his fellow soldiers at Stalingrad.
Posted by: Gumby at May 18, 2018 03:52 PM (2LelM)
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The government must keep that money.

Posted by: Weasel at May 18, 2018 03:52 PM (MVjcR)

279 Don't know which commentor said this but it rings true: Before any more of these snot noses march to lecture us on gun violence they need to answer what the fuck is wrong with their own generation (paraphrased).

Posted by: LGoPs at May 18, 2018 03:52 PM (DK0L4)

280 you know, you are doing the "potato potahto" thing wrong. the point of
the potato potahto is that the spelling is the same but the
pronunciation is different.
As if I don't know American musical theater, infidel!

Look out. There's a goat out there with your name on it.

Posted by: allah at May 18, 2018 03:53 PM (Evws/)

281 I thought Joey Biden was pro-shotgun? They're great for firing into the air when you're about to be home-invaded or something.
Any word from Joey as to his thoughts re Shotgun Boy?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 18, 2018 03:53 PM (ptqGC)

282 If it gets pushed now it will be some identity politics angle. At least if it's pushed hard.The Moms groups, in their Everytown ignorance, will ignore the details of course. they live in a fact and neuron free zone.

Posted by: Keith at May 18, 2018 03:53 PM (USf3s)

283 I'm betting the media will focus on Cthulhu - since it's not something most people are familiar with and they will try to 'outthink' everyone who thinks they will go straight for the Iron Cross. Of course they won't touch the Hammer & Sickle...

So they'll write something about him being a fan of Lovecraft, with a line like, 'killer's strange obsession with disturbing horror writer - did it lead him to kill?"

and as a bonus (for the media), they will eventually dig up some of Lovecraft's doggerel that uses the dreaded n-word. And they will dwell on that for a couple news cycles.

Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at May 18, 2018 03:53 PM (RKQ/v)

284 It's not just pron, it's social media and all kinds of society distorting effects of technology. Some of which we may not really understand without the benefit of hindsight.

Posted by: Max Power at May 18, 2018 03:53 PM (q177U)

285 269
Facebook isn't pushing this story.

Way down on their progressive-curated trending list.

Go figure.

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Raniere at May 18, 2018 03:48 PM (g55Q1)

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Huh. I bet they know A LOT more about this guy than anyone else, too.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 18, 2018 03:51 PM (VgKNm)

Says you!

Posted by: The NSA at May 18, 2018 03:53 PM (jxbfJ)

286 So if we're a pro-Templar blog, where do we stand on Freemasonry?
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Not in favor.

Posted by: simplemind at May 18, 2018 03:53 PM (COcka)

287 Facebook screen shot I'm sure the media will ignore.

http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1526670210927.jpg

Posted by: Monk at May 18, 2018 03:53 PM (2yfcr)

288 62 Interesting choice of weapons made by the animal. Having said that, if you really want to fuck something up, use a 12ga. Devastating.
Posted by: Weasel at May 18, 2018 03:48 PM (MVjcR)

My understanding is that most of the casualties at columbine were from the shotguns.
Posted by: Keith at May 18, 2018 03:50 PM (USf3s)

Within 25 yards, especially in a confined space, I do not want to f with a shotgun.

Posted by: Jollyroger at May 18, 2018 03:53 PM (+087i)

289 I wouldn't trust any purported Facebook screen grabs reposted on 4chan, but maybe that's just me.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at May 18, 2018 03:54 PM (I/iGu)

290 What we need is T'Pau

https://youtu.be/SwrYMWoqg5w

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at May 18, 2018 03:54 PM (fpSpD)

291 The Templars were falsely accused, and many of the went to martyrdom without succumbing to torture, because King Phillip wanted their money.

No different than the Democrats taxing the life out of people to fund Planned Parenthood.

Greed ending in death of innocents.

Posted by: tcn in AK at May 18, 2018 03:54 PM (7UW64)

292 Within 25 yards, especially in a confined space, I do not want to f with a shotgun.

Posted by: Jollyroger at May 18, 2018 03:53 PM (+087i)

I don't keep an AR-15 under the bed ...

Posted by: ScoggDog at May 18, 2018 03:54 PM (fiGNd)

293 The Swiss pikemen

*******

Who made them wear tights? That is pure evil. Je suis jalouse.

Posted by: Baphomet at May 18, 2018 03:54 PM (j6Nfv)

294
286 So if we're a pro-Templar blog, where do we stand on Freemasonry?
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Not in favor.
Posted by: simplemind at May 18, 2018 03:53 PM (COcka)
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We should form our own AoS secret society patterned after bluebell's gang.

Posted by: Weasel at May 18, 2018 03:54 PM (MVjcR)

295 I'm betting the media will focus on Cthulhu - since it's not something most people are familiar with and they will try to 'outthink' everyone who thinks they will go straight for the Iron Cross. Of course they won't touch the Hammer & Sickle...

So they'll write something about him being a fan of Lovecraft, with a line like, 'killer's strange obsession with disturbing horror writer - did it lead him to kill?"

Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at May 18, 2018 03:53 PM (RKQ/v)
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And Lovecraft was a racist, so -> conservative.

Posted by: The Press at May 18, 2018 03:54 PM (vDqXW)

296 FBI visited his house before hand. The interview has been scrubbed already but Twitter is talking about it. Somebody screen shot his instagram page where he talks about them coming but but the page has been scrubbed.

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It's times like this that we need Net Neutrality so the feds can shut down the internet before this stuff gets out of hand.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 18, 2018 03:55 PM (VgKNm)

297 As if I don't know American musical theater, infidel!

Look out. There's a goat out there with your name on it.
Posted by: allah at May

what does that have to do with American musical theatre?

Posted by: yankeefifth at May 18, 2018 03:55 PM (MTjB1)

298
251 FBI visited his house before hand. The interview has been scrubbed already but Twitter is talking about it. Somebody screen shot his instagram page where he talks about them coming but but the page has been scrubbed.

Ill fetch the screen shot from pol. brb.

Posted by: Monk
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The FBI is just about done.
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Maybe a Bible passage from Reverend Comey would be appropriate here?

Posted by: Gumby at May 18, 2018 03:55 PM (2LelM)

299 Lovecraft is a gateway drug to Clark Ashton Smith...

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at May 18, 2018 03:55 PM (Dgpsa)

300 Within 25 yards, especially in a confined space, I do not want to f with a shotgun.
Posted by: Jollyroger at May 18, 2018 03:53 PM (+087i)

Even the security guard, if he was shot in the shoulder with the shotgun can be in very serious trouble from that wound.

Posted by: Keith at May 18, 2018 03:55 PM (USf3s)

301 At least he doesn't play Magic the Gathering....

Posted by: steevy at May 18, 2018 03:55 PM (LiyEm)

302 We should form our own AoS secret society patterned after bluebell's gang.
Posted by: Weasel

Pork Chop Shiv Gang?

Posted by: rickb223 at May 18, 2018 03:55 PM (RkYsP)

303 Instagram screen shot of him talking about police/FBI searching his house day before. There is other spooky shit as well going on.

http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1526668919127.png

Posted by: Monk at May 18, 2018 03:49 PM (2yfcr)
..........

He seems nice.

Posted by: wth at May 18, 2018 03:55 PM (HgMAr)

304 287 Facebook screen shot I'm sure the media will ignore.

http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1526670210927.jpg
Posted by: Monk at May 18, 2018 03:53 PM (2yfcr)

I know I go to 4chan for the honest reporting, and definitely not for the hardcore porn board.

Posted by: Jollyroger at May 18, 2018 03:55 PM (+087i)

305 My guess is this specific shooting will go down the memory hole rather quickly because it cuts against the narrative in so many ways.

Especially being under age and not able to legally buy a gun anyway, and in this case a shotgun. Where do you really go with this unless it's just full confiscation? Good luck to Democrat Red State Senators on that platform.

The "devil" stuff I don't know, most of the time this is sort of like suspecting a kid with a heavy metal shirt means he's a devil worshiper. That was a common trope in the 80's. I think you can read too much into that stuff.

Posted by: Maritime at May 18, 2018 03:56 PM (lKmt3)

306 The only place I've seen it reported he carried an "assault rifle" is in the British papers: Daily Mail, Mirror, Guardian, and suffice to say I don't trust them.

Posted by: JJTownsend1977 at May 18, 2018 03:56 PM (PsdJu)

307 Neighbor saying the FBI vidsited in interview that has been scrubbed but is being talked about on Twitter,

http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1526670210927.jpg

Posted by: Monk at May 18, 2018 03:56 PM (2yfcr)

308 s.o.b.

fucking s.o.b.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at May 18, 2018 03:56 PM (Pg+x7)

309 We should form our own AoS secret society patterned after bluebell's gang.
Posted by: Weasel at May 18, 2018 03:54 PM
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Um... pants or no?

Posted by: socalcon at May 18, 2018 03:56 PM (Roy2Z)

310 Speaking of FBI credibility, just saw a former FBI official on FOX. He looked like a straight arrow but viscerally I had an instant negative reaction to him. Because FBI.

All these folks mentioning the de riguer "there are many great FBI agents" are starting to grate on my nerves. Every single agent should be openly ashamed and embarrassed at the taint that their leadership has brought on them. Every single one.

Posted by: LGoPs at May 18, 2018 03:56 PM (DK0L4)

311 IIRC very early on,the "Church", tired of fighting the 'pagans', adopted some pagan rituals. It's why Roman Catholics have so many idols, of course addressed as Saint "Whoever".

Posted by: Derptastic at May 18, 2018 03:56 PM (DB16e)

312 FBI visited his house before hand. The interview has been scrubbed already but Twitter is talking about it. Somebody screen shot his instagram page where he talks about them coming but but the page has been scrubbed.

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It's times like this that we need Net Neutrality so the feds can shut down the internet before this stuff gets out of hand.
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They exercise near total information control as it is now. There is a reason you get the real news first from the british tabloid press.

Posted by: simplemind at May 18, 2018 03:56 PM (Hj9AZ)

313 Lovecraft is a gateway drug to Clark Ashton Smith...
Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at May 18, 2018 03:55 PM (Dgpsa)
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Or Frank Belknap Long

Posted by: The Press at May 18, 2018 03:56 PM (vDqXW)

314 After doing a remodel, I can definitely say there is no such thing as Free Masonry....

Posted by: kraken at May 18, 2018 03:56 PM (zSVEm)

315 What kinda Hogg spawn can we expect to emerge for the carnage ??

Posted by: McGruff at May 18, 2018 03:57 PM (Ymy4N)

316 We should form our own AoS secret society patterned after bluebell's gang.

*starts fashioning shank*

Posted by: Grump928(C) pushes the pile at May 18, 2018 03:57 PM (QQ+il)

317 302 We should form our own AoS secret society patterned after bluebell's gang.
Posted by: Weasel

Pork Chop Shiv Gang?

Posted by: rickb223 at May 18, 2018 03:55 PM (RkYsP)

Bluebell's Bastards.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 18, 2018 03:57 PM (Dp6qK)

318 286 So if we're a pro-Templar blog, where do we stand on Freemasonry?
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Not in favor.

Posted by: simplemind at May 18, 2018 03:53 PM (COcka)

Freemasonry is prohibited to Catholics because Freemasons are simply gnostic heretics with a bunch of arcane symbols and rubrics.

All secret societies are so prohibited for Catholics.

The Mormons incorporate most of the Freemasonry symbols and rubrics, and are not Christians in the same way Freemasons are not.

Posted by: tcn in AK at May 18, 2018 03:57 PM (7UW64)

319 I go to 4chan to feel better about myself than the people on /r9k/.

those guys no-joke need Divine intervention.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at May 18, 2018 03:57 PM (Dgpsa)

320 Even the security guard, if he was shot in the shoulder with the shotgun can be in very serious trouble from that wound.
Posted by: Keith at May 18, 2018 03:55 PM (USf3s)

Shit yeah. My uncle got killed by a 12 gauge birdshot round at about 10 yards. The plastic wad at that distance is deadly.

Posted by: Jollyroger at May 18, 2018 03:57 PM (+087i)

321 so are we officially a pro-Templar blog then?

I've been calling for a return of the Knights Templar for over 17 years...

Posted by: Hawkpilot at May 18, 2018 03:57 PM (p6e8W)

322 trivia on freemasonry: Scottish Rite freemasonry requires a belief in God. "Continental" Freemasonry, also called OTO (for Ordre Templus Orientalus, or something like that), which I think started in france, is anti-clerical and I think officially atheist. Or tends towards atheism. I don't know if it's a requirement.

The two split at some point.

Pretty sure 90% of American freemasonry is scottish rite. Though I googled one time and saw there are OTO lodges here and there in America. Rare things, though.

Posted by: ace at May 18, 2018 03:57 PM (8rNrN)

323 Did he have a "military style" can opener?

Posted by: Burger Chef at May 18, 2018 03:57 PM (RuIsu)

324 May he make new friends in prison who pass him around ever day for the rest of his miserable existence

Posted by: Marcus T at May 18, 2018 03:57 PM (f/r+K)

325 Pants? Don;t you mean chaps?

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at May 18, 2018 03:57 PM (fpSpD)

326 He told me to call him Dong...I went w/ Mr. Song instead.

I worked with a girl named Dong. Sexy as hell. You quickly got over the name.

Posted by: t-bird at May 18, 2018 03:57 PM (ZpfqO)

327 It sounds ghoulish to say this, but it is where we are at today in the fight...

This can actually be used against the gun control narrative in the same way the parkland shooter using 10 round magazines runs counter to the narrative.

Posted by: Keith at May 18, 2018 03:57 PM (USf3s)

328 so Dimitri was a Satanist like Hillary? that settles that.

Posted by: illiniwek at May 18, 2018 03:58 PM (bT8Z4)

329 The order was originally formed to protect Christian pilgrims traveling to the Holy Land. That's pretty noble.

Posted by: SteveOReno at May 18, 2018 03:49 PM (2sCft)

Are the Knights Templar also available to assist Christians that want to visit San Francisco or Chicago?

Posted by: Concerned Christian Trump Supporter at May 18, 2018 03:58 PM (UsCnO)

330 For = from

McGruff started early

Posted by: McGruff at May 18, 2018 03:58 PM (Ymy4N)

331 309 We should form our own AoS secret society patterned after bluebell's gang.
Posted by: Weasel at May 18, 2018 03:54 PM
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Um... pants or no?
Posted by: socalcon at May 18, 2018 03:56 PM (Roy2Z)
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Yes to pants. It's a classy gang.

Posted by: Weasel at May 18, 2018 03:58 PM (MVjcR)

332 311 IIRC very early on,the "Church", tired of fighting the 'pagans', adopted some pagan rituals. It's why Roman Catholics have so many idols, of course addressed as Saint "Whoever".
Posted by: Derptastic at May 18, 2018 03:56 PM (DB16e)

Quite successfully, I might add....

Posted by: kraken at May 18, 2018 03:58 PM (zSVEm)

333 271 but was seriously wounded in the march toward Stalingrad.
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Million dollar wound considering what happened to his fellow soldiers at Stalingrad.
Posted by: Gumby at May 18, 2018 03:52 PM (2LelM)

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Yes, he was very lucky. I'm blessed to have known him. He was extremely intelligent and had a great sense of humor. He also held Ronald Reagan in high regard.

Posted by: Guzalot at May 18, 2018 03:58 PM (prSvo)

334 All these folks mentioning the de riguer "there are many great FBI agents" are starting to grate on my nerves. Every single agent should be openly ashamed and embarrassed at the taint that their leadership has brought on them. Every single one.

Posted by: LGoPs at May 18, 2018 03:56 PM (DK0L4)
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Sort of with you on that. I dislike all mandatory creed.

Posted by: Axeman at May 18, 2018 03:58 PM (vDqXW)

335 314 After doing a remodel, I can definitely say there is no such thing as Free Masonry....

Posted by: kraken at May 18, 2018 03:56 PM (zSVEm)

Templar heresies!

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 18, 2018 03:58 PM (Dp6qK)

336 but didn't the pope declare the crossbow a dishonorable and sinful weapon?
Posted by: ace at May 18, 2018 03:49 PM

Only when used against other Christians.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 18, 2018 03:58 PM (ctuyM)

337 mentioning the de riguer "there are many great FBI agents" are starting to grate on my nerves. Every single agent should be openly ashamed and embarrassed at the taint that their leadership has brought on them. Every single one.
Posted by: LGoPs at May

sure, they are great guys but less concerned with their duties than their paychecks, pensions, and houses.

Posted by: yankeefifth at May 18, 2018 03:58 PM (MTjB1)

338 Huh. I bet they know A LOT more about this guy than anyone else, too.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 18, 2018 03:51 PM (VgKNm)

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Says you!

Posted by: The NSA at May 18, 2018 03:53 PM (jxbfJ)

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I used to think that, but looking at how the feds have handled Trump and the shooters I wouldn't be surprised if they farm out most of their super secret monitoring stuff to Facebook.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 18, 2018 03:58 PM (VgKNm)

339 ... oh, he wore the symbols of things people hate. how perceptive of him - symbols - just like he feels hated. gee whiz...

bastard.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at May 18, 2018 03:58 PM (Pg+x7)

340 The baphomet symbol related to the Templar Knights was a major story line in a teen show on the CW network "Reign" last year.

Posted by: Adrienne at May 18, 2018 03:58 PM (lVcuh)

341 311 IIRC very early on,the "Church", tired of fighting the 'pagans', adopted some pagan rituals. It's why Roman Catholics have so many idols, of course addressed as Saint "Whoever".
Posted by: Derptastic at May 18, 2018 03:56 PM (DB16e)

Some pagan rituals? I mean Christmas as we know it is mostly Nordic with Jesus on top

Posted by: Jollyroger at May 18, 2018 03:58 PM (+087i)

342 Once you do hard core and eat jelly donuts you are mine!

Posted by: Baphomet at May 18, 2018 03:58 PM (j6Nfv)

343 Here's a fun fact. The longest tunnel in Switzerland is the Gotthard Tunnel. When it was opened in 2010 they had a big ceremony with lots of dignitaries from around Switzerland and Europe.

There was much celebrating and typical weird Euro shit including an appearance by a certain goat head thing.

Skip ahead to the 8 minute mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zW5gklIKcDg

Posted by: JackStraw at May 18, 2018 03:58 PM (/tuJf)

344 Yay!

Sun is peeking out finally.

Posted by: SMH - Get right or get left at May 18, 2018 03:58 PM (UiGQV)

345 so are we officially a pro-Templar blog then?

Posted by: ace at May 18, 2018 03:42 PM

Hell ya. You handed them a pile of money, crossed the Atlantic, and someone was waiting for you on the other side with your money.

They got a bad rap from the usual suspects.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at May 18, 2018 03:58 PM (LOgQ4)

346 thanks. I had thought they were swiss but I barely know anything about them except that they were Boss.
Posted by: ace at May 18, 2018 03:50 PM (8rNrN)

The Swiss mercenaries were famed as tough fighters. However, if they didn't paid on time, they would leave. Hence, the old saying, "No money, no Swiss."

From what I've read, when the Swiss and landsknecht pikemen fought each other, it was pretty savage. The Swiss hated their imitators and the landsknecht wanted to prove that they were just as good as the Swiss.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at May 18, 2018 03:59 PM (5Yee7)

347 311 IIRC very early on,the "Church", tired of fighting the 'pagans', adopted some pagan rituals. It's why Roman Catholics have so many idols, of course addressed as Saint "Whoever".

Posted by: Derptastic at May 18, 2018 03:56 PM (DB16e)

The Church has never tired of standing against heretics. We do not have idols. We do not worship saints.

But, nice strawman there. Did you have fun bayonetting him?

Posted by: tcn in AK at May 18, 2018 03:59 PM (7UW64)

348 I don't know about freemasonry but I could sure use some freelandscapery.

Posted by: joncelli, nominal Lutheran at May 18, 2018 03:59 PM (1FhAQ)

349 /pol/ mods immediately deleted thread with interview about eyewitness saying FBI visited. Screen shot of deleted thread.

http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1526668465526.jpg

Posted by: Monk at May 18, 2018 03:59 PM (2yfcr)

350 well, if you read "The Great Gatsby" (1925) you'll know that the Jewish crook Meyer Wolfsheim had a business called "The Swastika Holding Company".

Posted by: mallfly suPreme at May 18, 2018 03:59 PM (KxbBq)

351 >>>290 What we need is T'Pau

https://youtu.be/SwrYMWoqg5w

good call, if that's the song i'm thinking of

Posted by: ace at May 18, 2018 03:59 PM (8rNrN)

352 Inside, confined? The shotgun is the weapon of choice.
12ga/20ga makes no diff.

Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at May 18, 2018 03:59 PM (0OmEj)

353 Um... pants or no?

Victoire!

Posted by: Les Sans Culottes at May 18, 2018 03:59 PM (fuK7c)

354 We're Knights of the Round Table... ( insert kick dance here)....

Posted by: kraken at May 18, 2018 03:59 PM (zSVEm)

355 I poked myself in the left eye, by mistake, but it is my right eye that hurts. I'm not kidding. It's very strange.

Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 18, 2018 04:00 PM (w45mR)

356 Freemasonry is prohibited to Catholics because Freemasons are simply gnostic heretics with a bunch of arcane symbols and rubrics.
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Not to mention the occasional priest murder. But things happen.

Posted by: simplemind at May 18, 2018 04:00 PM (c3s3Y)

357 Did all the FBI agents get to go home safely? That's what matters.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 18, 2018 04:00 PM (VgKNm)

358 When they're talking about a "AR-15" style shotgun. I wonder if this is what they're thinking of:

The Saiga-12 is a 12-gauge shotgun available in a wide range of configurations, patterned after the Kalashnikov series of rifles and named for the Saiga antelope. Like the Kalashnikov rifle variants, it is a rotating bolt, gas-operated gun that feeds from a box magazine. All Saiga-12 configurations are recognizable as Kalashnikov-pattern guns by the large lever-safety on the right side of the receiver, the optic mounting rail on the left side of the receiver and the large top-mounted dust cover held in place by the rear of the recoil spring assembly.

Posted by: wrg500 at May 18, 2018 04:01 PM (Bdeb0)

359 Freemasonry is prohibited to Catholics because Freemasons are simply gnostic heretics with a bunch of arcane symbols and rubrics.

Posted by: tcn in AK at May 18, 2018 03:57 PM (7UW64)
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I've never heard an evangelical defend them either. It's a pagan gnostic interference pattern with the simplicity of the Gospel.

Posted by: Axeman at May 18, 2018 04:01 PM (vDqXW)

360 IIRC very early on,the "Church", tired of fighting the 'pagans', adopted some pagan rituals. It's why Roman Catholics have so many idols, of course addressed as Saint "Whoever".

Posted by: Derptastic at May 18, 2018 03:56 PM (DB16e)

The Church has never tired of standing against heretics. We do not have idols. We do not worship saints.

But, nice strawman there. Did you have fun bayonetting him?
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Note the "nic" I suspect he was pulling your leg and you took the bait.

Posted by: simplemind at May 18, 2018 04:01 PM (pyM84)

361 Yeah, Iron Cross was benign. But Hitler actually scored one.

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Saving a Jewish officer who then died of wounds.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 18, 2018 04:01 PM (+y/Ru)

362 355 I poked myself in the left eye, by mistake, but it is my right eye that hurts. I'm not kidding. It's very strange.
Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 18, 2018 04:00 PM (w45mR)

Sympathy pains... your left eye is preggers!

Posted by: kraken at May 18, 2018 04:01 PM (zSVEm)

363 He is 17, but are they going to try him as an adult?

Posted by: IC at May 18, 2018 04:01 PM (a0IVu)

364 Mind Control:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MmB7_e7ftY

Posted by: SMH - Get right or get left at May 18, 2018 04:01 PM (UiGQV)

365 Against Free Masonry, they don't allow drinking at their Temples. How fucked up is that?

Posted by: Gumby at May 18, 2018 04:01 PM (2LelM)

366 Did all the FBI agents get to go home safely? That's what matters.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 18, 2018 04:00 PM (VgKNm)
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Bingo.

Posted by: Broward County Sheriff Department at May 18, 2018 04:02 PM (vDqXW)

367 325 Pants? Don;t you mean chaps?
Posted by: Anna Puma
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No, need to differentiate from bluebell's group.

Posted by: socalcon at May 18, 2018 04:02 PM (Roy2Z)

368 Speaking of Baphomet...

Link goes to DC Clothesline story about that sex cult. Pictures don't lie (well, at least as far as this chick is concerned.)

http://bit.ly/2wQcBQ5

Posted by: SandyCheeks at May 18, 2018 04:02 PM (b4HRt)

369 297
As if I don't know American musical theater, infidel!

Look out. There's a goat out there with your name on it.

Posted by: allah at May

***Goat? Did somebody say goat?

Posted by: Yog Sothoth at May 18, 2018 04:02 PM (Fb9aZ)

370 363
He is 17, but are they going to try him as an adult?

Posted by: IC at May 18, 2018 04:01 PM (a0IVu)

But he is ineligible to ride the lightning.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 18, 2018 04:02 PM (jxbfJ)

371 "Some pagan rituals? I mean Christmas as we know it is mostly Nordic with Jesus on top"

Good grief. It's Christmas, the birth of Jesus Christ.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 18, 2018 04:02 PM (f/r+K)

372 I poked myself in the left eye, by mistake, but it is my right eye that hurts. I'm not kidding. It's very strange.
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Obviously you meant to poke yourself in the right eye.

Posted by: simplemind at May 18, 2018 04:02 PM (xu7gt)

373 348 I don't know about freemasonry but I could sure use some freelandscapery.

Posted by: joncelli, nominal Lutheran at May 18, 2018 03:59 PM (1FhAQ)

And some freesammichery, while you're at it.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 18, 2018 04:02 PM (Dp6qK)

374 358 When they're talking about a "AR-15" style shotgun. I wonder if this is what they're thinking of:

The Saiga-12 is a 12-gauge shotgun available in a wide range of configurations, patterned after the Kalashnikov series of rifles and named for the Saiga antelope. Like the Kalashnikov rifle variants, it is a rotating bolt, gas-operated gun that feeds from a box magazine. All Saiga-12 configurations are recognizable as Kalashnikov-pattern guns by the large lever-safety on the right side of the receiver, the optic mounting rail on the left side of the receiver and the large top-mounted dust cover held in place by the rear of the recoil spring assembly.
Posted by: wrg500 at May 18, 2018 04:01 PM (Bdeb0)

Could be, but its a piece of shit. I know. I have one.
I think its probably an 870 with a pistol grip. Someone reported a pump.

Posted by: Jollyroger at May 18, 2018 04:02 PM (+087i)

375 Derptastic (there's an accurate name), is the American flag an idol? picture of Washington on the dollar bill? how about the stuff kbdabear posts, do the morons now down to them?

( okay, that last may be a bad example. )

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at May 18, 2018 04:02 PM (Dgpsa)

376 I don't know about freemasonry but I could sure use some freelandscapery.
Posted by: joncelli, nominal Lutheran at May 18, 2018 03:59 PM

Same here. I have some old stuff that needs to be done and since I don't have the back of an 19 year old anymore (or the rest of my parts for that matter) I got a couple of bids. Yowza! It's hard for me to pay for something I can do. I just really don't want to do it, but shelling out 4K to re-do some rocks etc. I decided to make it my summer workout plan.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 18, 2018 04:02 PM (3c1uO)

377 >>FBI visited his house before hand. The interview has been scrubbed already but Twitter is talking about it. Somebody screen shot his instagram page where he talks about them coming but but the page has been scrubbed.

Un-f'ing-believable!

Are all FBI resources assigned to GetTrump?!?
Nah, they missed the Boston Maraton bombers and the Pulse shooter, to. They're just flat-out noon-functioning at this point.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 18, 2018 04:02 PM (W+vEI)

378 now->bow

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at May 18, 2018 04:02 PM (Dgpsa)

379 322: ace on 2 kinds of masons:

did not know that - interesting.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at May 18, 2018 04:03 PM (Pg+x7)

380 Didn't this kid know there is a law against sawed off shotguns? We should make a la.....

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 18, 2018 04:03 PM (3c1uO)

381 When they're talking about a "AR-15" style shotgun. I wonder if this is what they're thinking of:

The Saiga-12 is a 12-gauge shotgun available in a wide range of configurations, patterned after the Kalashnikov series of rifles and named for the Saiga antelope. Like the Kalashnikov rifle variants, it is a rotating bolt, gas-operated gun that feeds from a box magazine. All Saiga-12 configurations are recognizable as Kalashnikov-pattern guns by the large lever-safety on the right side of the receiver, the optic mounting rail on the left side of the receiver and the large top-mounted dust cover held in place by the rear of the recoil spring assembly.
Posted by: wrg500 at May 18, 2018 04:01 PM (Bdeb0)

Well, if journalists actually understood firearms that and a couple of others would be the case. Since they don't it could be an old Sears single shot 16 gauge.

Posted by: Keith at May 18, 2018 04:03 PM (USf3s)

382 For the bifurcated penis the Vulcan Mohel gets to charge double...
Posted by: steevy at May 18, 2018 03:50 PM

Are you sure there's no quantity discount?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 18, 2018 04:03 PM (ctuyM)

383 372 I poked myself in the left eye, by mistake, but it is my right eye that hurts. I'm not kidding. It's very strange.
========
Obviously you meant to poke yourself in the right eye.
Posted by: simplemind at May 18, 2018 04:02 PM (xu7gt)

If your left eye offends thee, poketh the right...

Posted by: kraken at May 18, 2018 04:03 PM (zSVEm)

384 Some pagan rituals? I mean Christmas as we know it is mostly Nordic with Jesus on top
Posted by: Jollyroger at May 18, 2018 03:58 PM (+087i)

Yeah, that was during the same period. Constantine was a genius.

Posted by: Derptastic at May 18, 2018 04:03 PM (DB16e)

385 319 I go to 4chan to feel better about myself than the people on /r9k/.

those guys no-joke need Divine intervention.
Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at May 18, 2018 03:57 PM (Dgpsa)

The fact that they have a no-shit psychiatrist drop in for impromptu online counseling tells you what you need to know about the robots. There are some very wounded souls over there. I hung out there for a time out of curiosity but it was so flipping depressing I had to stop.

Posted by: joncelli, nominal Lutheran at May 18, 2018 04:03 PM (1FhAQ)

386 There was much celebrating and typical weird Euro shit including an appearance by a certain goat head thing.

Say what you want, but "Angie" is still a great song.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 18, 2018 04:03 PM (fuK7c)

387 380
Didn't this kid know there is a law against sawed off shotguns? We should make a la.....

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 18, 2018 04:03 PM (3c1uO)

The waste-of-DNA's dad is about to find that out.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 18, 2018 04:04 PM (jxbfJ)

388 wonder if the shooter was into kiddy pron and that is why the FBI showed up, and why the shooter went shooty.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at May 18, 2018 04:04 PM (Dgpsa)

389 @338: "I wouldn't be surprised if they farm out most of their super secret monitoring stuff to Facebook."

I'd guess there's a small rotating cast of trusted assets inside all of the major tech companies at any given time.

Bribery and blackmail. Just like the Cold War years.

Story as old as time, y'know?

Posted by: Walter Freeman at May 18, 2018 04:04 PM (I/iGu)

390 371 "Some pagan rituals? I mean Christmas as we know it is mostly Nordic with Jesus on top"

Good grief. It's Christmas, the birth of Jesus Christ.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 18, 2018 04:02 PM (f/r+K)

Yes, but it is the same time as Yule (to Odin) and we have the yule log, indoor tree, lights, and d�cor that are all pagan.

Don't even start on Oester.

Posted by: Jollyroger at May 18, 2018 04:04 PM (+087i)

391 Un-f'ing-believable!

Are all FBI resources assigned to GetTrump?!?
Nah, they missed the Boston Maraton bombers and the Pulse shooter, to. They're just flat-out noon-functioning at this point.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 18, 2018 04:02 PM

If the kid had Russian hookers pissing on his bed they'd be all over that.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 18, 2018 04:04 PM (3c1uO)

392 So this guy was JV at 17? Was he held back?

Posted by: Grump928(C) pushes the pile at May 18, 2018 04:04 PM (QQ+il)

393 378 now->bow

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at May 18, 2018 04:02 PM (Dgpsa)

But first . . . .

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 18, 2018 04:05 PM (Dp6qK)

394 When they're talking about a "AR-15" style shotgun. I wonder if this is what they're thinking of:

The Saiga-12

_________

I have one of those, I think they stopped importing them several years ago from Russia.

It's basically an AK-47 style gun that shoots 12 gauge, no more dangerous really than a common hunting shotgun you'd find at Walmart except it holds like 3 more rounds depending on the size of the clip.

Posted by: Maritime at May 18, 2018 04:05 PM (lKmt3)

395 On symbols: I see a lot of swastika in the late 60's, 70's and early 80's kung fu movies.
Was Hitler culturally appropriating?

Posted by: Derptastic at May 18, 2018 04:05 PM (DB16e)

396 /pol is a better place to shift through the lies and truth. How do you think Trump got elected and Hillary got the stake through her heart and crime families were exposed. It's a great resource to use.

The MSM and corporate media gives 99% lies. I have zero trust in Uniparty/Commie institutions.

Posted by: Monk at May 18, 2018 04:05 PM (2yfcr)

397 Could be, but its a piece of shit. I know. I have one.
I think its probably an 870 with a pistol grip. Someone reported a pump.
Posted by: Jollyroger

Or a Mossberg 500 tactical pump with a pistol grip. Maybe I own one maybe I don't

Posted by: wrg500 at May 18, 2018 04:05 PM (Bdeb0)

398 Obviously you meant to poke yourself in the right eye.
Posted by: simplemind at May 18, 2018 04:02 PM (xu7gt)

If your left eye offends thee, poketh the right...
Posted by: kraken at May 18, 2018 04:03 PM (zSVEm)

Your eye heard Yanny didn't it?

Posted by: Jollyroger at May 18, 2018 04:05 PM (+087i)

399 I've been pretty busy working at work today. Looks like I have a lot to catch up on.

Posted by: rickl at May 18, 2018 04:05 PM (xjiRE)

400 I don't know about freemasonry but I could sure use some freelandscapery.

Posted by: joncelli, nominal Lutheran at May 18, 2018 03:59 PM (1FhAQ)
..........

Ay yi yi. Cheap ass Gringo.

Posted by: Manuel Labor at May 18, 2018 04:05 PM (HgMAr)

401 Sounds like a supreme edgelord loser.

Posted by: FuckMcCain at May 18, 2018 04:05 PM (vfoe1)

402
Or a Mossberg 500 tactical pump with a pistol grip. Maybe I own one maybe I don't
Posted by: wrg500 at May 18, 2018 04:05 PM (Bdeb0)

Damn, didn't think of that. The 500 persuader, 8 shot. Maybe I too own one, maybe I don't.

Posted by: Jollyroger at May 18, 2018 04:06 PM (+087i)

403 I just really don't want to do it, but shelling out 4K to re-do some rocks etc.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 18, 2018 04:02 PM (3c1uO)

I am seriously starting to wonder if I ought to mix-in some handyman work with the downtime on this automation thing.

Like ... now.

Posted by: ScoggDog at May 18, 2018 04:06 PM (fiGNd)

404 310
Speaking of FBI credibility, just saw a former FBI official on FOX. He
looked like a straight arrow but viscerally I had an instant negative
reaction to him. Because FBI.

All these folks mentioning the de
riguer "there are many great FBI agents" are starting to grate on my
nerves. Every single agent should be openly ashamed and embarrassed at
the taint that their leadership has brought on them. Every single one.

Posted by: LGoPs at May 18, 2018 03:56 PM (DK0L4)

I have to agree. Every agent that has a badge swore to uphold the Constitution.

After watching the sh*tshow of Mueller, McCabe, Strozk, and their pals, and the absolute refusal of every "great FBI agent" to step up to corruption and MAKE A DAMNED ARREST, my faith in the FBI, INCLUDING the "rank and file agents" to uphold the law when their own are the corrupt ones is exceedingly, historically low.
Either step up and do your job, "rank and file", or you are just as corrupt as Mueller, McCabe, and pals.

Your move.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at May 18, 2018 04:06 PM (UsCnO)

405 354 We're Knights of the Round Table... ( insert kick dance here)....

Posted by: kraken at May 18, 2018 03:59 PM (zSVEm)

We shan't go to Camelot, it is a silly place.

Posted by: tcn in AK at May 18, 2018 04:06 PM (7UW64)

406 he is ineligible to ride the lightning.

But he can ride the darkning, if you know what I mean.

Posted by: Bubba James Johnson, #698253 at May 18, 2018 04:06 PM (Zdm89)

407 I see a lot of swastika in the late 60's, 70's and early 80's kung fu movies.
Was Hitler culturally appropriating?

Posted by: Derptastic
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Yes from Tibet. If I'm taking you seriously then.

Posted by: simplemind at May 18, 2018 04:06 PM (COcka)

408 Fun sitting here indulging one of the Deadly Sins....

Posted by: kraken at May 18, 2018 04:07 PM (zSVEm)

409 Your eye heard Yanny didn't it?

Posted by: Jollyroger at May 18, 2018 04:05 PM (+087i)

Covfefe.

Posted by: tcn in AK at May 18, 2018 04:07 PM (7UW64)

410 It's basically an AK-47 style gun that shoots 12 gauge, no more dangerous really than a common hunting shotgun you'd find at Walmart except it holds like 3 more rounds depending on the size of the clip.
Posted by: Maritime at May 18, 2018 04:05 PM (lKmt3)

But its a jam o matic and unless you modify it with a magwell its almost impossible to load with a full mag one handed without holding the bolt back.

Posted by: Jollyroger at May 18, 2018 04:07 PM (+087i)

411 Baphomet hears Laurel.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 18, 2018 04:07 PM (/tuJf)

412 So this guy was JV at 17? Was he held back?
Posted by: Grump928

That, or he was middling as Varsity, but an ass kicker as JV.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 18, 2018 04:07 PM (RkYsP)

413 " the Satanist or Communist symbols, or the Iron Cross?"

Cthulhu, of course.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at May 18, 2018 04:07 PM (iTpm7)

414 Daily beast headline - Dimitrios Pagourtzis, Texas Shooting Suspect, Posted Neo-Nazi Imagery Online
Dimitri with his bi pride pin underneath

Posted by: Spidly at May 18, 2018 04:08 PM (Qy9+s)

415 >>>On symbols: I see a lot of swastika in the late 60's, 70's and early 80's kung fu movies.
Was Hitler culturally appropriating?

yes. It's originally an Indian luck symbol. German mystics borrowed it because of their racial belief in a mystical connections to the Aryans (an Indian group).

Given that kung fu derived from an early style of Indian conditioning and fighting, I would guess they borrowed the symbol from the same source.

Posted by: ace at May 18, 2018 04:08 PM (8rNrN)

416 Covfefe.

Posted by: tcn in AK at May 18, 2018 04:07 PM (7UW64)
I had a really good laugh w/ that.

Posted by: IC at May 18, 2018 04:08 PM (a0IVu)

417 I'll believe the "kid was interviewed by the FBI day before the shooting and posted details on social media" story as soon as anyone -- ANYONE! -- other than 4chan says something about it.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at May 18, 2018 04:08 PM (I/iGu)

418 Good grief. It's Christmas, the birth of Jesus Christ.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 18, 2018 04:02 PM (f/r+K)

Yes, but it is the same time as Yule (to Odin) and we have the yule log, indoor tree, lights, ...

Don't even start on Oester.

Posted by: Jollyroger at May 18, 2018 04:04 PM (+087i)
The sabbath was made for man not man for the sabbath.

It's not the day that matters, but that we take the time to remember what God has done for us.

Posted by: Methos at May 18, 2018 04:08 PM (XQvuQ)

419 Heh on one of those tabloid type shows they just said he had a trenchcoat with an Iron Cross on it and that's all they mentioned!

Ace knows them so well, as do we all.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 18, 2018 04:08 PM (4ErVI)

420 may have been mentioned before, but over/under that they ignore the fact that it is illegal for a 17 year old kid to have any weapons at all, when they call for more gun control?

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 18, 2018 04:08 PM (3iPM6)

421 Just a heads up - Muslims don't have icons. They reject utterly any and all pictorial depictions of anything (or, at least, they're supposed to). There's even a story in the hadith of Mohammad refusing to enter a house that had pillows decorated with stitched pictures of birds. That's why Islamic art is all script (never mind that that's just another graphic depiction of something, just in a different form. That is, it's a written icon instead of a drawn picture that we typically think of as an icon).

Posted by: Patrick at May 18, 2018 04:08 PM (klmXw)

422 >>Speaking of Baphomet...

Probably already mentioned: Spirit Cooker lady Marina Abromovic likes Baphomet imagery, too.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 18, 2018 04:08 PM (W+vEI)

423 Fun sitting here indulging one of the Deadly Sins....
Posted by: kraken

Fapping to your neighbor?

Posted by: rickb223 at May 18, 2018 04:08 PM (RkYsP)

424 I've been pretty busy working at work today. Looks like I have a lot to catch up on.

Posted by: rickl at May 18, 2018 04:05 PM (xjiRE)

-

Cliffs notes:

School shooter in Texas
Identifies as gay
NEA union representatives bullied him
FBI visited him
Gay guy murders classmates after FBI visited

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 18, 2018 04:08 PM (VgKNm)

425 I was in DeMolay, which is for the boys before they go into the Masons. I never did the Masons, but we had a chaplain and prayer, it was not at all atheist. Jacques deMolay was tortured for something or other ... I thought for being virtuous and honest, perhaps in defiance of "The Church". I don't recall any sort of mysticism or magic powers. More of a fraternity of men with fidelity.

But who knows what the real secret powers were. If our country goes the way of mobsters like Mueller, we'll all need to form new secret orders, our own gangs to take down the globalist mob. I'd prefer Trump drains the swamp.

Posted by: illiniwek at May 18, 2018 04:08 PM (bT8Z4)

426 I poked myself in the left eye, by mistake, but it is my right eye that hurts. I'm not kidding. It's very strange.

M█tthew 5:29

And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Posted by: James Comey, teetering closer to the edge of the abyss at May 18, 2018 04:08 PM (LOgQ4)

427 Yes, but it is the same time as Yule (to Odin) and we have the yule log, indoor tree, lights, and decor that are all pagan.

Don't even start on Oester.

Christmas is a winter solstice ceremony. Easter is a spring rebirth ceremony.

That doesn't take any meaning away from them, but everybody does that.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 18, 2018 04:08 PM (fuK7c)

428 And bullied by coaches, teachers, and students. School does nothing about it. Of course educators are the biggest SJW cry bullies out there and have no agency. They dindu nuffin so ignore their specific training in Operant Conditioning. Even the kid being interviewed said the school does nothing. Fuck the NEA and Department of Education.

https://streamable.com/ziii1

Posted by: Monk at May 18, 2018 04:08 PM (2yfcr)

429 407 I see a lot of swastika in the late 60's, 70's and early 80's kung fu movies.
Was Hitler culturally appropriating?

Posted by: Derptastic
=========
Yes from Tibet. If I'm taking you seriously then.
Posted by: simplemind at May 18, 2018 04:06 PM (COcka)

My wife got some kind of antique basket from Tibet and I started looking close at it and saw it was covered in tiny swatstikas. For luck of course.

Posted by: Jollyroger at May 18, 2018 04:09 PM (+087i)

430 So this guy was JV at 17? Was he held back?

Posted by: Grump928(C) pushes the pile at May 18, 2018 04:04 PM (QQ+il)

Could be a Junior. Probably is. We're at the end of the school year. Seem to recall plenty of guys playing JV as Juniors. Most of them dropped if they couldn't make varsity as a Senior. Pride thing, I guess.

I - however - was Varsity Concrete Team and Painting Squad, starting in eighth grade. All county honors.

Long season. Not for everybody.

Posted by: ScoggDog at May 18, 2018 04:09 PM (fiGNd)

431 395 On symbols: I see a lot of swastika in the late 60's, 70's and early 80's kung fu movies.
Was Hitler culturally appropriating?
------------------------
Yes. The Swastika is Hindu symbol of life/energy. He just reversed the direction of the bent arms.

Posted by: Gumby at May 18, 2018 04:09 PM (2LelM)

432 Babylon Bee headline... " Calvinist Declares Only Elect can Hear Yanny"...

Posted by: kraken at May 18, 2018 04:09 PM (zSVEm)

433 My bet is the kid got the trench coat at www.RadicalChic.com for 300 bucks and doesn't he have the first clue what any of the symbols mean.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 18, 2018 04:10 PM (Kge8X)

434 I'll believe the "kid was interviewed by the FBI day before the shooting and posted details on social media" story as soon as anyone -- ANYONE! -- other than 4chan says something about it.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at May 18, 2018 04:08 PM (I/iGu)

-

It's incredible to consider, but it probably is more reliable to work the other way around.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 18, 2018 04:10 PM (VgKNm)

435 It'll be interesting if they find out he was a teased "bi", how is the gay mafia going to side? He could be a victim if they find enough evidence of his pink tu-tu and ballet slippers.

I'm sure the Iron Cross will simply be called a "Cross" so as to not confuse people about the actual material it's not made of you know, because hand holding.

Posted by: clutch cargo at May 18, 2018 04:10 PM (RHEDC)

436 with a name like "Dimitrios Pagourtzis", maybe it's a different flavor of the Boston Marathon assholes?

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 18, 2018 04:10 PM (3iPM6)

437
Covfefe.
=====
Supposedly that is a real word.

Meaningless pointless wandering search for nothing.

Yiddish supposedly. Spelling variants i think based upon European regional dialects. Need a member of the tribe to clarify.

Posted by: simplemind at May 18, 2018 04:10 PM (cbhOW)

438
That doesn't take any meaning away from them, but everybody does that.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 18, 2018 04:08 PM (fuK7c)

Personally I don't have a problem with Christianity appropriating those holidays, I just think it was smart of the early church, and I don't deny from whence they came

Posted by: Jollyroger at May 18, 2018 04:10 PM (+087i)

439 @414: "Daily beast headline"

Makes you wonder if the good little progressive soldiers at the Daily Beast even recognize the pride pin. Shame on them!

Posted by: Walter Freeman at May 18, 2018 04:10 PM (I/iGu)

440 if Kraken is doing the neighbour and posting to the HQ at the same time, he wins the HQ Moron Of The Month award.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at May 18, 2018 04:10 PM (Dgpsa)

441 We have to do some self-reflection as a society and figure out why we churn out all these mentally unstable kids. But we can rest assured that it has nothing to do with 32 genders, victimhood intersectionality theory, or the myriad new pronouns someone made up.

Posted by: Marmo - yes, I am entertained, thank you very much at May 18, 2018 04:10 PM (fq72/)

442 That outback trading duster is a Military jacket according to a few news sites

Posted by: Spidly at May 18, 2018 04:10 PM (Qy9+s)

443 But its a jam o matic and unless you modify it with a magwell its almost impossible to load with a full mag one handed without holding the bolt back.
Posted by: Jollyroger

___________

I bought it off my brother that just wanted to unload it, I'm sure it's a piece of shit but thought it was an interesting novelty. I think its value though has gone up as they stopped importing them.

To me it's just a "desert gun" you just go shoot cans with, I sure as hell would never reach for it in a real situation

Posted by: Maritime at May 18, 2018 04:10 PM (lKmt3)

444 Yeah, that was during the same period. Constantine was a genius.
Posted by: Derptastic at May 18, 2018 04:03 PM (DB16e)

Sometimes I remind Christians that Constantine
is the one who legitimized Christianity with his edict. Up until then it was seen as a cult. This fact is never greeted with happiness. I consider myself a Christian, which makes this nugget even more unpalatable to others. If I'm wrong about this, I know someone will correct me.

Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 18, 2018 04:10 PM (w45mR)

445 423

Fapping to your neighbor?
Posted by: rickb223 at May 18, 2018 04:08 PM (RkYsP)

Still light out, so...

Posted by: kraken at May 18, 2018 04:11 PM (zSVEm)

446 Baphomet has an interesting history ...
----
I'm a friend to little children everywhere

Posted by: Disney's new and improved Beast at May 18, 2018 04:11 PM (XQvuQ)

447 I didn't play sports in high school, or attend many classes either, for that matter. Too busy smoking pot in the woods.

Posted by: Weasel at May 18, 2018 04:11 PM (MVjcR)

448 Good grief. It's Christmas, the birth of Jesus Christ.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 18, 2018 04:02 PM (f/r+K)

Yes, but it is the same time as Yule (to Odin) and we have the yule log, indoor tree, lights, and decor that are all pagan.

Don't even start on Oester.

Posted by: Jollyroger at May 18, 2018 04:04 PM (+087i)

The pagan stuff is not Catholic dogma, but much of it was, indeed, "baptized." Nothing wrong with accepting what people like if it doesn't conflict with the Gospel.

And if you want to see something curiously Catholic, come to the Easter Vigil Mass, where we dip a huge lit candle into a font of holy water three times. It's all about fecundity, fertility, and sex, and it is also holy as all get out. Also, Catholics are not allowed to withhold sex from their spouses without a compelling reason--you gotta do it to get to heaven.

Plus, there's usually beer at our various receptions....

Posted by: tcn in AK at May 18, 2018 04:11 PM (7UW64)

449 http://bit.ly/2LcCaOp
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Russian-American Lobbyist At Trump Tower Meeting Described Knowing Hillary Clinton, Associates

+++++
ROOSIAN COLLUSHYN

Posted by: Schneider's Brown Slave at May 18, 2018 04:12 PM (y3aQB)

450 I was in DeMolay, which is for the boys before they go into the Masons. I never did the Masons, but we had a chaplain and prayer, it was not at all atheist. Jacques deMolay was tortured for something or other ... I thought for being virtuous and honest, perhaps in defiance of "The Church". I don't recall any sort of mysticism or magic powers. More of a fraternity of men with fidelity.

Posted by: illiniwek

I was also. Jacques DeMolay was the last Grand Master of the Knights Templar.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 18, 2018 04:12 PM (RkYsP)

451 Santaria is an eclectic Christian mashup...

Posted by: kraken at May 18, 2018 04:12 PM (zSVEm)

452
if Kraken is doing the neighbour and posting to the HQ at the same time, he wins the HQ Moron Of The Month award.
Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at May 18, 2018 04:10 PM

Umm, utilizing Alexa or Siri would disqualify, correct?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 18, 2018 04:12 PM (ctuyM)

453 323 Did he have a "military style" can opener?
Posted by: Burger Chef at May 18, 2018 03:57 PM (RuIsu)

Right next to his house key on the grenade ring he uses for a key ring.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at May 18, 2018 04:13 PM (di1hb)

454 MSDNC has the father of a Parkland victim blaming Trump. I turned the channel before he trashed the NRA. Dude couldn't make it till summer vacation?

Posted by: Concerned People's Front at May 18, 2018 04:13 PM (rdl6o)

455 It's incredible to consider, but it probably is more reliable to work the other way around.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 18, 2018 04:10 PM (VgKNm)
---
i second this emotion...

4 chan trolls are usually obvious to anyone with an IQ larger than their hat size

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 18, 2018 04:13 PM (3iPM6)

456 Just a heads up - Muslims don't have icons.

Well ... that makes the Islamic iPad a real piece of shit then, don't it.

Posted by: ScoggDog at May 18, 2018 04:13 PM (fiGNd)

457 School shooter in Texas
Identifies as gay
NEA union representatives bullied him
FBI visited him
Gay guy murders classmates after FBI visited
Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 18, 2018 04:08 PM (VgKNm)

Wait, all these things are confirmed?

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at May 18, 2018 04:13 PM (72PAC)

458 His name was Dimitri, huh? Sounds Russian. I blame Trump.

Posted by: Soona at May 18, 2018 04:13 PM (Fs5vw)

459 I bought it off my brother that just wanted to unload it, I'm sure it's a piece of shit but thought it was an interesting novelty. I think its value though has gone up as they stopped importing them.

To me it's just a "desert gun" you just go shoot cans with, I sure as hell would never reach for it in a real situation
Posted by: Maritime at May 18, 2018 04:10 PM (lKmt3)

Right on all counts. It can be fun. I did work on mine and it's ok. My father in laws on the other hand has a hard time working through a mag. Its ill served by the AK style tilt and lock mechanism. Can be really fun.

A 20 round drum with 00 buck is something else.

Posted by: Jollyroger at May 18, 2018 04:13 PM (+087i)

460
Sometimes I remind Christians that Constantine
is the one who legitimized Christianity with his edict. Up until then it was seen as a cult. This fact is never greeted with happiness. I consider myself a Christian, which makes this nugget even more unpalatable to others. If I'm wrong about this, I know someone will correct me.

Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 18, 2018 04:10 PM (w45mR)

I think the word you were looking for is "legalized." Until he said it was legal to be Christian, any number of Emperors felt free to blame everything on Christians and burn them or torture them or kill them because they wouldn't worship the Emperor.

Christianity was "legitimized" by Jesus Christ, a slightly higher authority.

Posted by: tcn in AK at May 18, 2018 04:14 PM (7UW64)

461 Freemasonry is prohibited to Catholics because Freemasons are simply gnostic heretics with a bunch of arcane symbols and rubrics.

All secret societies are so prohibited for Catholics.

The Mormons incorporate most of the Freemasonry symbols and rubrics, and are not Christians in the same way Freemasons are not.
Posted by: tcn in AK at May 18, 2018 03:57 PM (7UW64)

Other than the bit about Mormonism (I know nothing about them), you are almost completely incorrect in everything you wrote. Freemasonry is not a religion and all of my Christian brethren would be surprised to discover that you think they are heretics.

Freemasonry utilizes the stone mason's tools as symbols of good character and most of the rituals revolve around the building of King Solomon's Temple. Freemasonry is open to all men of good character that believe in a monotheistic Supreme Being. The rituals are merely allegories, not religious ceremonies.

There are Freemasons that are Catholics. The Papal Bull prohibiting membership is largely ignored. Freemasonry takes no position regarding a brother's religion as long as it monotheistic. The Catholic church's problem with Freemasonry boils down to the issue that Freemasonry doesn't regard Catholicism as the only correct religion.

I write this as a Freemason that is a Catholic. I also agree with your posts 99% of the time.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at May 18, 2018 04:14 PM (5Yee7)

462 Love the Horde... 7 Deadly Sins, and they pick....

Posted by: kraken at May 18, 2018 04:14 PM (zSVEm)

463 447 I didn't play sports in high school, or attend many classes either, for that matter. Too busy smoking pot in the woods.
Posted by: Weasel at May 18, 2018 04:11 PM (MVjcR)

You didn't miss much. I was there physically but elsewhere mentally and still managed to graduate.

Posted by: joncelli, nominal Lutheran at May 18, 2018 04:14 PM (1FhAQ)

464 355
I poked myself in the left eye, by mistake, but it is my right eye that hurts. I'm not kidding. It's very strange.

Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 18, 2018 04:00 PM (w45mR)

Did you do it while you were looking into a mirror?

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at May 18, 2018 04:14 PM (bB4HN)

465 Santaria is an eclectic Christian mashup...
Posted by: kraken at May 18, 2018 04:12 PM (zSVEm)
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And excellent poured over citrus slices.

Posted by: Axeman at May 18, 2018 04:14 PM (vDqXW)

466 FBI visiting the shooter has not been confirmed.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at May 18, 2018 04:14 PM (I/iGu)

467 With a mish mash of confused symbols, but clinging to the shock value of the pentagram....

We need to ban Rush and burn all their albums!

Posted by: wooga at May 18, 2018 04:14 PM (pKDUC)

468 445
423

Fapping to your neighbor?

Posted by: rickb223 at May 18, 2018 04:08 PM (RkYsP)

Still light out, so...

Posted by: kraken at May 18, 2018 04:11 PM (zSVEm)

It pays to advertise

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 18, 2018 04:14 PM (jxbfJ)

469 crazier still is that he was bullied by educators and coaches and students and was a good football player.

I hate the Current Year educators. Most, not all, are the biggest POS SJW cry bullies. They literally claim to be the victims because they say they need more power to discipline when they have the power to suspend, expell, put on meds, put in a shitty class, move to alternative school, give you bad grades, isolate and alienate kids, punish parents, lie, act like forever 15 year olds, bang their students, do drugs, ect.... But yeah these vicious cry bullies faggits are completely innocent.

Posted by: Monk at May 18, 2018 04:15 PM (2yfcr)

470 Christ was probably born in Spring, iirc. When Constantine made his Christianity declaration, the Pagan holidays were then changed to Christian holidays. So some maintained elements of paganism.

However, Christmas customs as we know it, is mostly related to King Albert who brought his German customs over into England when he married Queen Victoria. Which, by extension, we adopted. I learned this stuff decades ago, but I'm somewhere in the ballpark.

It all kinda mish mashes together after awhile.

Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 18, 2018 04:15 PM (w45mR)

471 456 Just a heads up - Muslims don't have icons.

Well ... that makes the Islamic iPad a real piece of shit then, don't it.
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 18, 2018 04:13 PM (fiGNd)

They print out goat images in ascii....

Posted by: kraken at May 18, 2018 04:15 PM (zSVEm)

472 In more pressing newz, I was just at the grocery store picking up more supplies for another funeral reception tomorrow, and a tabloid informed me that Prince Harry's future bride is preggers and the Queen is not happy.
Please let it be so. And please let her "colorful" uninvited family attempt to crash the wedding.

I won't be watching, but would love to hear about it.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 18, 2018 04:15 PM (ptqGC)

473 Catholics are not allowed to withhold sex from their spouses without a compelling reason--you gotta do it to get to heaven.

Plus, there's usually beer at our various receptions....
Posted by: tcn in AK at May 18, 2018 04:11 PM (7UW64)

Interesting.... need to see if the wife wants to convert

Posted by: Jollyroger at May 18, 2018 04:15 PM (+087i)

474 465 Santaria is an eclectic Christian mashup...
Posted by: kraken at May 18, 2018 04:12 PM (zSVEm)
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And excellent poured over citrus slices.
Posted by: Axeman at May 18, 2018 04:14 PM (vDqXW

Keep beheading that chicken.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 18, 2018 04:15 PM (VM6ev)

475 466 FBI visiting the shooter has not been confirmed.
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So we'll know the answer to this in about 6 to 9 months?

Posted by: Gumby at May 18, 2018 04:15 PM (2LelM)

476 10 killed at texass school. n.r.a. strikes again with thoughts and prayers...and more gun sales.

Posted by: gunners at May 18, 2018 04:16 PM (8qDOp)

477 Against Free Masonry, they don't allow drinking at their Temples. How fucked up is that?
Posted by: Gumby at May 18, 2018 04:01 PM (2LelM)

Not even the Scotch Rite?

Posted by: filbert at May 18, 2018 04:16 PM (953wK)

478 457 School shooter in Texas
Identifies as gay
NEA union representatives bullied him
FBI visited him
Gay guy murders classmates after FBI visited
Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 18, 2018 04:08 PM (VgKNm)

Wait, all these things are confirmed?
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at May 18, 2018 04:13 PM (72PAC)
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What Seawolf said. Speculation or fact?

Posted by: WisRich at May 18, 2018 04:16 PM (G0vdT)

479
"Dimitrios Pagourtzis"

Obviously a Scots-Irish redneck. Trump supporter.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 18, 2018 04:16 PM (BWL+E)

480 Probably already mentioned: Spirit Cooker lady Marina Abromovic likes Baphomet imagery, too.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 18, 2018 04:08 PM (W+vEI)
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Doubt it. That veshtitsa is a Vlach witch. I'be best my last nickel on it.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 18, 2018 04:16 PM (AzW6q)

481 472 Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 18, 2018 04:15 PM (ptqGC)

Hope the time off was good and you're doing better.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 18, 2018 04:16 PM (VM6ev)

482 >>I won't be watching, but would love to hear about it.

Did you see that Harry and Meghan have announced that following the wedding they will be devoting more time to LGBT issues?

Sound like a fun couple of kids

Posted by: Lizzy at May 18, 2018 04:17 PM (W+vEI)

483 Voodoo is a cool mashup too... Papa Legba gets prayed at ( gotta say that's a religion that skeeves me out)

Posted by: kraken at May 18, 2018 04:17 PM (zSVEm)

484 People were talking about the Masons. Several years ago, the feds arrested a Muslim who was planning on shooting up a Masonic temple in Milwaukee. That story dropped out of the news cycle very quickly.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y8ztkcwc

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V. at May 18, 2018 04:17 PM (H80UQ)

485 What Seawolf said. Speculation or fact?

Posted by: WisRich at May 18, 2018 04:16 PM (G0vdT)

FBI visit could be hoax. The rest seem to come from the streamed boy on the street interview above.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 18, 2018 04:17 PM (Dp6qK)

486 The bible is full of references that there is no mediator between God and man besides Christ Jesus.

OT your only commune with God was through offering a "perfect sacrifice" which a priest took, slaughtered and went behind the veil in the Temple to commune on your behalf.

NT after Christ, the Perfect Sacrifice died, the veil was rent in two. Thus creating our mediator between God and man.

No where in scripture is praying to another person who has sinned and was destined for hell except for the Grace of God and the Perfect Sacrifice even suggested.

When Mary was approached when they ran out of wine at the wedding her only response was "go do what my Son tells you". She didnt mediate except to point you to Jesus.

No where is it suggested that a Saint gains the omnipresent ability of God. So wouldn it seem silly to pray to, say ST Mike for safe travel when Mike can only cover one traveler at a time?

Posted by: Derptastic at May 18, 2018 04:17 PM (DB16e)

487 Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 18, 2018 04:15 PM (ptqGC)

{{ }}
{{ Jane }}
{{ }}

Posted by: The Lurking Spider at May 18, 2018 04:18 PM (fiGNd)

488 nood PP

Posted by: IC at May 18, 2018 04:18 PM (a0IVu)

489 Since the kid is gay....

It's definitely Trump's fault for causing NEA union members so much stress that they harassed this poor gay kid.

Posted by: CNN at May 18, 2018 04:18 PM (vDqXW)

490 Also, Catholics are not allowed to withhold sex from their spouses without a compelling reason...

Posted by: tcn in AK at May 18, 2018 04:11 PM

Ha, ha, ha. I gotta compelling reason. To deprive her is to turn her into a mess of disjointed nerve endings looking for an extremely pleasurable cure. One who will gratefully make me a post-coital sandwich.

Posted by: James Comey, teetering closer to the edge of the abyss at May 18, 2018 04:18 PM (LOgQ4)

491 458 His name was Dimitri, huh? Sounds Russian. I blame Trump.
Posted by: Soona at May 18, 2018 04:13 PM (Fs5vw)

Give motive to why his commie SJW teachers bullied him and allowed the kids to do the same being he was a good football player.

Most Current year educators are forever 15 year olds and are sadiists.

Posted by: Monk at May 18, 2018 04:18 PM (2yfcr)

492
"So we'll know the answer to this in about 6 to 9 months?"

6 to 9 months based on the based on the orbital period of Pluto.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 18, 2018 04:19 PM (BWL+E)

493 Against Free Masonry, they don't allow drinking at their Temples. How fucked up is that?
Posted by: Gumby at May 18, 2018 04:01 PM (2LelM)

Not even the Scotch Rite?
Posted by: filbert

I never got so drunk in my life than after Demolay meetings and dances at someone's house party.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 18, 2018 04:19 PM (RkYsP)

494 Posted by: The Lurking Spider at May 18, 2018 04:18 PM (fiGNd)

*flames*

Posted by: The Lurking Flamethrower - Damn the Collateral Damage! at May 18, 2018 04:19 PM (72PAC)

495 Nood Trump defunding PP.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 18, 2018 04:19 PM (Dp6qK)

496 impoach fotitty tee fi , cuz eht fir the chillin.

shark humper congressman Maxine Waters

Posted by: hazy cosmic jive at May 18, 2018 04:19 PM (WX+x0)

497 Not to nitpick, but the Iron Cross is an old German military decoration. It's not a "Nazi" symbol by any means. It predates the Nazi's by many, many years. I believe it was first awarded by the Prussian army.
Anyway, it goes way back. It's not particularly associated with the nazis, who had plenty of their own original symbolism.

Posted by: Agent Cooper at May 18, 2018 04:20 PM (oyCqX)

498 I write this as a Freemason that is a Catholic. I also agree with your posts 99% of the time.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at May 18, 2018 04:14 PM (5Yee7)

The fact that some Catholics ignore the prohibition does not make it less compelling.

Freemasonry has "secrets" that they pass along at the various "levels" of achievement, not all of which are available to those in lower groups. Some of those "secrets" deal with the origin of the universe, the way Gods (plural) work in that universe, and other odd things that contradict Catholic dogma.

The prohibition was not reached lightly. Freemasons are anti-Catholic.

YMMV.

I cannot and will not say that Freemasons, as individuals are anything but well-intentioned decent human beings--that's not my point here at all.

Posted by: tcn in AK at May 18, 2018 04:20 PM (7UW64)

499 Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 18, 2018 04:15 PM (ptqGC)

Hope the time off was good and you're doing better.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 18, 2018 04:16 PM (VM6ev)

On the third day at the beach house, I remembered why we haven't vacationed with our old friends in years. Gah.

Now I have a summer-long African student as a house guest, and our son and his dog have had to move in because his Marine roommate received last-minuted orders to Quantico. At least son is working all summer for my husband.....but there's the smelly dog....My house looks like a dorm exploded and my stress level continues at eleventy.

Thank you for your kind thoughts, though.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 18, 2018 04:20 PM (ptqGC)

500 Update- Camera Hogg has just crossed the Louisiana/ Texas border on his bike.

Posted by: WeBoned! at May 18, 2018 04:20 PM (EfEQe)

501 Fun sitting here indulging one of the Deadly Sins....

Posted by: kraken

Fapping to your neighbor?

Posted by: rickb223 at May 18, 2018 04:08 PM (RkYsP)

Classic!

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at May 18, 2018 04:20 PM (iTpm7)

502 >>Doubt it. That veshtitsa is a Vlach witch. I'be best my last nickel on it.

Is this Baphomet or something else Satanic? Not something I know a lot about, so just assumed it was...
https://tinyurl.com/y9grktak

Posted by: Lizzy at May 18, 2018 04:20 PM (W+vEI)

503 6 to 9 months based on the based on the orbital period of Pluto.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 18, 2018 04:19 PM (BWL+E)
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It's going to be really problematic if that's when the stars are right.

Posted by: Axeman at May 18, 2018 04:20 PM (vDqXW)

504 No where is it suggested that a Saint gains the omnipresent ability of God. So wouldn it seem silly to pray to, say ST Mike for safe travel when Mike can only cover one traveler at a time?

So, I'm guessing you're not Catholic.

Damn nood. We're not going to get this holy war off the ground.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 18, 2018 04:20 PM (fuK7c)

505 I, for one, appreciate the Templar history. For Halloween, my son went as Richard Lionheart and I went as Crusader Queen Eleanore of Aquitaine (his mom). I have just started to read more of that history, in depth.

Posted by: Mutnodjmet at May 18, 2018 04:21 PM (sPJyv)

506 Update- Camera Hogg has just crossed the Louisiana/ Texas border on his bike.

Posted by: WeBoned! at May 18, 2018 04:20 PM (EfEQe)

Was it made from a repurposed AR-15?

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at May 18, 2018 04:21 PM (iTpm7)

507 I cannot and will not say that Freemasons, as individuals are anything but well-intentioned decent human beings--that's not my point here at all.

Posted by: tcn in AK at May 18, 2018 04:20 PM (7UW64)
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Also agreed from the evangelical POV.

Posted by: Axeman at May 18, 2018 04:21 PM (vDqXW)

508 The bible is full of references that there is no mediator between God and man besides Christ Jesus.

OT your only commune with God was through offering a "perfect sacrifice" which a priest took, slaughtered and went behind the veil in the Temple to commune on your behalf.

NT after Christ, the Perfect Sacrifice died, the veil was rent in two. Thus creating our mediator between God and man.

No where in scripture is praying to another person who has sinned and was destined for hell except for the Grace of God and the Perfect Sacrifice even suggested.

When Mary was approached when they ran out of wine at the wedding her only response was "go do what my Son tells you". She didnt mediate except to point you to Jesus.

No where is it suggested that a Saint gains the omnipresent ability of God. So wouldn it seem silly to pray to, say ST Mike for safe travel when Mike can only cover one traveler at a time?
Posted by: Derptastic at May

dude, you are spitting into the wind. reason and logic will have no effect with them.

Posted by: yankeefifth at May 18, 2018 04:22 PM (MTjB1)

509 was in DeMolay, which is for the boys before they go into the Masons. I never did the Masons, but we had a chaplain and prayer, it was not at all atheist. Jacques deMolay was tortured for something or other ... I thought for being virtuous and honest, perhaps in defiance of "The Church". I don't recall any sort of mysticism or magic powers. More of a fraternity of men with fidelity.

Posted by: illiniwek

I was also. Jacques DeMolay was the last Grand Master of the Knights Templar.
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Seems like they might have been a touch "Light" on the history in the Demolay society you were in . . .

Posted by: simplemind at May 18, 2018 04:22 PM (C8dsN)

510 Speaking of ancient "pagan" rituals and where they are today, it reminds me of growing up in the 80's and a lot of Evangelicals that I knew considered Christians participating in modern Halloween almost a form of devil worship because there was roots in possibly being some of Druid holiday with magic and all the rest.

People were really scared of devil worship in the 80's.

Posted by: Maritime at May 18, 2018 04:22 PM (lKmt3)

511 The first name would normally indicate some kind of E Orthodox background.

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Orthodox like Putin so Trump is behind it.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 18, 2018 04:23 PM (+y/Ru)

512 Did you see that Harry and Meghan have announced that following the wedding they will be devoting more time to LGBT issues?
...........

So they are Swingers?

Posted by: wth at May 18, 2018 04:23 PM (HgMAr)

513
When Mary was approached when they ran out of wine at the wedding her only response was "go do what my Son tells you". She didnt mediate except to point you to Jesus.

And men have been picking up the check at restaurants ever since

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 18, 2018 04:25 PM (10vO4)

514 The bible is full of references that there is no mediator between God and man besides Christ Jesus.

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Maybe not but a healthy contribution to the Clinton Foundation could open some doors.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 18, 2018 04:25 PM (+y/Ru)

515 184: yes, the mess made of our youth is painful to see

Posted by: Cn at May 18, 2018 04:25 PM (5gaNQ)

516 And if you want to see something curiously Catholic,
come to the Easter Vigil Mass, where we dip a huge lit candle into a
font of holy water three times. It's all about fecundity, fertility, and
sex, and it is also holy as all get out. Also, Catholics are not
allowed to withhold sex from their spouses without a compelling
reason--you gotta do it to get to heaven.

Plus, there's usually beer at our various receptions....

Posted by: tcn in AK at May 18, 2018 04:11 PM (7UW64)

***Amen brother. It's long, but it is my favorite mass.
The priests light a fire, many times somewhere outside the entrance to the church, while all gather. The church has been darkened, any statues of saints covered, the great organ has not played and the Gloria has not been sung (all since Good Friday). The great candle is lit, the parishioners light their candles from it as it traverses the narthex, into the knave and onto the altar. All process into the church filling the pews and church with light. The mass begins somberly with all holding candles. At the time in the mass when the celebrant gets to the "Gloria", all lights are lit, the great organ plays (symbolizing Christ being risen from the dead ) and it's simply divine.

Posted by: Publius Redux at May 18, 2018 04:26 PM (Fb9aZ)

517
Here's a catchy tune about "Bahamut"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqnPr470bhc

It's Friday! Dance around your room to it!

Posted by: naturalfake at May 18, 2018 04:27 PM (ZSkht)

518
People were really scared of devil worship in the 80's.

Posted by: Maritime at May 18, 2018 04:22 PM (lKmt3)

Yeah, tell me about it! Back in high school my baptist buddy had to hide all his DD books in the basement rafters because his parents thought it was "demonic." That was really a big deal back then.

Posted by: Agent Cooper at May 18, 2018 04:27 PM (oyCqX)

519 No where is it suggested that a Saint gains the omnipresent ability of God. So wouldn it seem silly to pray to, say ST Mike for safe travel when Mike can only cover one traveler at a time?
Posted by: Derptastic
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Does your mother pray for you?

Do you pray for her?

Can people pray for other people?
Catholics do not pray "to" the saints they ask the saints to pray for them.

What you were told is not accurate. Ask someone who knows he actual faith and practices it what their faith is, not someone who doesn't know it except from its critics. Or don't. You can do what you will and say what you will. Its a reasonably free country still, and when its no longer free, its not the catholics you'll need to be worrying about.

Posted by: simplemind at May 18, 2018 04:27 PM (c3s3Y)

520 Was it made from a repurposed AR-15?

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at May 18, 2018 04:21 PM (iTpm7)

Don't know about that, but it doesn't have seat and he's got a shitty ass grin on his face.

Posted by: WeBoned! at May 18, 2018 04:28 PM (EfEQe)

521 505 I, for one, appreciate the Templar history. For Halloween, my son went as Richard Lionheart and I went as Crusader Queen Eleanore of Aquitaine (his mom). I have just started to read more of that history, in depth."

If you went as Eleanore, you HAD to have watched "Lion in Winter". Watching Katherine Hepburn compete with Peter O'Toole to see which one could do the most scene stealing makes one think that's close to what the dynamic between the original Eleanore and Henry may have been like. Anyway, she'll always be Eleanore in my minds eye.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 18, 2018 04:28 PM (k1TUh)

522 Update- Camera Hogg has just crossed the Louisiana/ Texas border on his bike.

Posted by: WeBoned! at May 18, 2018 04:20 PM (EfEQe)

****

While in Texas maybe he can commune with the ghost of his long dead ancestor, Ima.

Posted by: Publius Redux at May 18, 2018 04:28 PM (Fb9aZ)

523 The priests light a fire, many times somewhere outside the entrance to the church, while all gather. The church has been darkened, any statues of saints covered, the great organ has not played and the Gloria has not been sung (all since Good Friday). The great candle is lit, the parishioners light their candles from it as it traverses the narthex, into the knave and onto the altar. All process into the church filling the pews and church with light. The mass begins somberly with all holding candles. At the time in the mass when the celebrant gets to the "Gloria", all lights are lit, the great organ plays (symbolizing Christ being risen from the dead ) and it's simply divine.
Posted by: Publius Redux at May

well, the thing is, if that is the way it is supposed to be done, why didn't Jesus do it that way?

Posted by: yankeefifth at May 18, 2018 04:28 PM (MTjB1)

524 Did you see that Harry and Meghan have announced that following the wedding they will be devoting more time to LGBT issues?
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Do NOT tell Jen.

Posted by: simplemind at May 18, 2018 04:29 PM (cbhOW)

525 After the last horrific shooting, we learned that the FBI ignored the law by ignoring multiple warnings.

In this case, they may have been alerted to something, but for whatever reason, they didn't detain him.

I'll admit that the FBI is in a damned if you do/don't situation here.

Posted by: Blue Hen at May 18, 2018 04:30 PM (L3rL9)

526 I think the word you were looking for is
"legalized." Until he said it was legal to be Christian, any number of
Emperors felt free to blame everything on Christians and burn them or
torture them or kill them because they wouldn't worship the Emperor.

Christianity was "legitimized" by Jesus Christ, a slightly higher authority.

Posted by: tcn in AK at May 18, 2018 04:14 PM (7UW64)

Constantine saw the Chi Rho the P and X symbol that the Catholics still use. He supposedly imagined this as an omen, and had the symbol painted on shields before his victory at Milvian Bridge in 312 AD. Constantine more than legalized Christianity, he made it the primary belief of the Roman Empire.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared, Americans don't Serf at May 18, 2018 04:30 PM (DxWUs)

527 Maybe not but a healthy contribution to the Clinton Foundation could open some doors.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 18, 2018 04:25 PM (+y/Ru)

****
Take it from me . . it couldn't hurt.

Posted by: Zombie Vince Foster at May 18, 2018 04:30 PM (Fb9aZ)

528 And please let her "colorful" uninvited family attempt to crash the wedding.

I won't be watching, but would love to hear about it.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 18, 2018 04:15 PM (ptqGC)

I read her crazy family flew over. Also, now Prince Charles is giving her away. Which I found bizarre. He is giving her away to his own son. Talk about the wedding already being bizarre enough. Couldn't she have found another male unrelated to the Royal family. Like a guy friend or something? Her uncle was a diplomat, clean background, normal. Oh wait, he wasnkt invited either. He was the one who got her the UN job.

I understand her not wanting to invite her crazy family members, I wouldn't either. Don't understand about the uncle though.

The whole thing has been hilarious. They only dated 18 months. Half of it or more long distance. Big mistake. Infatuation period does not end until after 18 months. That's the cutoff where brain chemicals begin to return to normal.

They have every incentive to make it work after this nuttiness, so hopefully it does, even though are many, many red flags that say it is gonna be a challenge.

Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 18, 2018 04:31 PM (w45mR)

529 The guy's brain is wrong. That's what the problem is. The problem is not laws or firearms.

Posted by: Eromero at May 18, 2018 04:31 PM (zLDYs)

530 Constantine was a Brit anyways.

at least he was born there.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 18, 2018 04:32 PM (k1TUh)

531 If you went as Eleanore, you HAD to have watched "Lion in Winter". Watching Katherine Hepburn compete with Peter O'Toole to see which one could do the most scene stealing makes one think that's close to what the dynamic between the original Eleanore and Henry may have been like. Anyway, she'll always be Eleanore in my minds eye.

This.

And she was about 80 years older than O'Toole but they made it work.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 18, 2018 04:32 PM (fuK7c)

532 Can people pray for other people?
Catholics do not pray "to" the saints they ask the saints to pray for them.
Posted by: simplemind at May 18, 2018 04:27 PM

Im pretty sure the Saints and those dead who were born again are spending their time enjoying heaven and Gods glory.
God is taking care of earth.
What kind of heaven would heaven be if you could look down and see the ugliness, pain and suffering that goes on here? How could not want to come and intervene?
I believe their priorities are elsewhere.

Posted by: Derptastic at May 18, 2018 04:32 PM (DB16e)

533 All the symbology adds up to that he was nucking futs.

Posted by: Minuteman at May 18, 2018 04:32 PM (12oAw)

534 Posted by: Derptastic at May

so what is your religion?

Posted by: yankeefifth at May 18, 2018 04:33 PM (MTjB1)

535 well, the thing is, if that is the way it is supposed to be done, why didn't Jesus do it that way?

Posted by: yankeefifth
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I dunno he had his hands full after good Friday and didn't have time to round up an Easter service?

Seriously man, have a good one. Judge not lest ye and all that jazz . . .

Posted by: simplemind at May 18, 2018 04:33 PM (Hj9AZ)

536 Can people pray for other people?
Catholics do not pray "to" the saints they ask the saints to pray for them.
Posted by: simplemind at May

well, that is the theory but in practice it is a difference without a distinction.

Posted by: yankeefifth at May 18, 2018 04:34 PM (MTjB1)

537 Freemasonry has "secrets" that they pass along at the various "levels" of achievement, not all of which are available to those in lower groups. Some of those "secrets" deal with the origin of the universe, the way Gods (plural) work in that universe, and other odd things that contradict Catholic dogma.

I cannot and will not say that Freemasons, as individuals are anything but well-intentioned decent human beings--that's not my point here at all.
Posted by: tcn in AK at May 18, 2018 04:20 PM (7UW64)

Once again, you are incorrect in almost everything you wrote about Freemasonry. The rituals are almost entirely taken from incidents occurring in the the Bible. The only secrets are modes of recognition and some of the details of the rituals.

We don't worship or recognize multiple gods. Freemasonry refers only to the Supreme Architect of the Universe. It is frustrating to have earnest non-Masons tell me all about what's really happening behind those closed doors and then regale me with fantastical tales.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at May 18, 2018 04:34 PM (5Yee7)

538 I dunno he had his hands full after good Friday and didn't have time to round up an Easter service?

Seriously man, have a good one. Judge not lest ye and all that jazz . . .

Posted by: simplemind at May

questioning how and why things are done is perfectly legitimate.

Posted by: yankeefifth at May 18, 2018 04:36 PM (MTjB1)

539 524 Did you see that Harry and Meghan have announced that following the wedding they will be devoting more time to LGBT issues?

Yes. They see themselves as great humanitarians.
lol

I read that people in the U.S. are setting their alarms for 4 AM in the US to get up to watch the wedding. Wth? I wouldn't get up at 4 AM for, well, anything. Including my own wedding.

Don't people have recording devices anymore. Why did we have a recolution if we still have to watch British weddings. At least we don't have to pay for it, like the British taxpayers.

Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 18, 2018 04:36 PM (w45mR)

540 so what is your religion?
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 18, 2018 04:33 PM

I dont have one. Was raised in a baptist church but left 30 years ago. They also like to inject their own morality and rules in with scripture. I just like the bible and have no problem believing exactly what it says.

Posted by: Derptastic at May 18, 2018 04:36 PM (DB16e)

541 I dont have one. Was raised in a baptist church but left 30 years ago. They also like to inject their own morality and rules in with scripture. I just like the bible and have no problem believing exactly what it says.
Posted by: Derptastic at May

interesting. was raised protestant and more or less agree with taking the bible as printed.

Posted by: yankeefifth at May 18, 2018 04:38 PM (MTjB1)

542 I believe their priorities are elsewhere.
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So you are totally entitled to your belief.

I'm sure you would agree that God is in heaven.

And that God is concerned with what is going on down here.

Would it be a stretch to imagine that the people in Heaven (which is the catholic definition of saint) are there because they share the concerns of God? I'm consider how they got there to begin with?

Charity stops at Heaven? Really?

You'll think more about this I'm sure.

Glad to be of any service.

Posted by: simplemind at May 18, 2018 04:39 PM (Hj9AZ)

543 Video of reporter quoting neighbor of this is not the 1st time that the FBI has visited that home.

https://webm.xyz/webm/5aff2a3b80dbdd000f48a6ed

Posted by: Monk at May 18, 2018 04:39 PM (2yfcr)

544 interesting. was raised protestant and more or less agree with taking the bible as printed.
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 18, 2018 04:38 PM (MTjB1)

So, you read Aramaic, Greek, and Latin?

Posted by: naturalfake at May 18, 2018 04:39 PM (ZSkht)

545 well, the thing is, if that is the way it is supposed to be done, why didn't Jesus do it that way?

Posted by: yankeefifth at May 18, 2018 04:28 PM (MTjB1)
*****
Heh, don't get all protestant-y on me.

Anyway, how do we know it didn't happen like that in Heaven?

Posted by: Zombie Vince Foster at May 18, 2018 04:40 PM (Fb9aZ)

546 Off Foster sock!

Posted by: Publius Redux at May 18, 2018 04:40 PM (Fb9aZ)

547 Constantine more than legalized Christianity, he made it the primary belief of the Roman Empire.
Posted by: The Mouse that Roared, Americans don't Serf at May 18, 2018 04:30 PM (DxWUs)

That is the point I meant by legitimized. He did legalize it too, and ten's point is valid. So I will probably use both in future.

If he had lost that battle, things may have gone a lot differently. People are a superstitious lot. Even back then...and more so.

Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 18, 2018 04:41 PM (w45mR)

548 interesting. was raised protestant and more or less agree with taking the bible as printed.
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When was it printed?

Who decided what went into it?

How was that decided?

Is there anything it Gospels from Jesus that says, these are the books that will be in the Bible?

Posted by: simplemind at May 18, 2018 04:41 PM (pyM84)

549 interesting. was raised protestant and more or less agree with taking the bible as printed.
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 18, 2018 04:38 PM

To me it seems as simple as: if an Almighty God cannot keep his exact Word intact over a few measly thousand years for me to know and understand Him, what kind of God would he be?

Posted by: Derptastic at May 18, 2018 04:42 PM (DB16e)

550 540 so what is your religion?
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 18, 2018 04:33 PM"

I have a sister in law who once answered that question by replying, very sincerely and without a hint of irony (wouldn't have occurred to her), "Jesus."

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 18, 2018 04:42 PM (k1TUh)

551 Can people pray for other people?

Catholics do not pray "to" the saints they ask the saints to pray for them.

Posted by: simplemind at May 18, 2018 04:27 PM (c3s3Y)

Alot of out protestant brothers and sisters don't get the whole intercession thing. I get why though, there's a bit nuance there that's easy to miss.

It's not a big deal. We're all on the same side as far as I'm concerned. The rest is semantics. Let the theologians argue about the nuts and bolts.

It's like baseball fans debating over the DH rule. :-)

Posted by: Agent Cooper at May 18, 2018 04:43 PM (oyCqX)

552
To me it seems as simple as: if an Almighty God cannot keep his exact Word intact over a few measly thousand years for me to know and understand Him, what kind of God would he be?
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How many, currently variant editions of the Bible are their now?

Its not God that the problem.

Posted by: simplemind at May 18, 2018 04:44 PM (c3s3Y)

553 Oy.

Posted by: josephistan at May 18, 2018 04:45 PM (ANIFC)

554 Retired Buckeye Cop @ 537- Freemasons.
When non-Masons start telling me about what Masons do behind closed Lodge doors, I ask them how long they have been a Mason. They always splutter and bluster something 'I'm NOT a Mason! I just read a lot, or saw it on tv, or the internet'. I say back 'Well you sure as hell seem to know a lot about something you know nothing about.'
Eromero
37 years

Posted by: Eromero at May 18, 2018 04:45 PM (zLDYs)

555 So, you read Aramaic, Greek, and Latin?

Posted by: naturalfake at MaySo, you read Aramaic, Greek, and Latin?

Posted by: naturalfake at May

well, no, but there are probably some good indications that the way the catholic church runs today is quite a bit different than when Jesus was on earth.

Posted by: yankeefifth at May 18, 2018 04:46 PM (MTjB1)

556 544
interesting. was raised protestant and more or less agree with taking the bible as printed.

Posted by: yankeefifth at May 18, 2018 04:38 PM (MTjB1)

So, you read Aramaic, Greek, and Latin?

Posted by: naturalfake at May 18, 2018 04:39 PM (ZSkht)

***
I am Catholic but much prefer the King James Bible. Much more poetic. A beautiful translation. Used it for lessons and carols before Midnight Mass on Christmas in our church. The Monsignor, Dorney, (God rest his soul) knew and let is slide with a wink. The offical Catholic "approved " bibles read so horribly. Still do - they made the language for "reg'lar folks" hence it reads like a twitter feed.

Posted by: Publius Redux at May 18, 2018 04:46 PM (Fb9aZ)

557 if an Almighty God cannot keep his exact Word intact over a few measly thousand years for me to know and understand Him, what kind of God would he be? "

just spitballin' here, but just maybe a kind of God who wanted to give us general guidelines and teach us how to think and the basic principles that would show us how to act in such a way as to benefit ourselves and everyone around us. And maybe one that would say "oh come on do I have to tell you EVERY little thing? You can't figure anything out for yourselves???? Come on guys!!!"

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 18, 2018 04:47 PM (k1TUh)

558 In this case, they may have been alerted to something, but for whatever reason, they didn't detain him.

I'll admit that the FBI is in a damned if you do/don't situation here.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 18, 2018 04:30 PM (L3rL9)

Most people would be for an overabundance of caution in these cases, I would think. Especially with the recent shootings. I know right after the Broward shootings at least 2 students elsewhere were taken care of through processes which had been set up.

Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 18, 2018 04:47 PM (w45mR)

559 Alot of out protestant brothers and sisters don't get the whole intercession thing. I get why though, there's a bit nuance there that's easy to miss.

It's not a big deal. We're all on the same side as far as I'm concerned.
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I get it. Its just that there a metric ton of protestants who have been told that catholics worship Idols. This is an easily correctable misconception. I explain when given the chance. Its particularly bothersome in that it drives so many protestants away from praying for Mary's Intercession.

Posted by: simplemind at May 18, 2018 04:48 PM (0hWUO)

560
It's like baseball fans debating over the DH rule. :-)

Posted by: Agent Cooper at May 18, 2018 04:43 PM (oyCqX)

*****
BLASPHEMER!!

Posted by: Shoeless Joe Jackson in Heavan at May 18, 2018 04:48 PM (Fb9aZ)

561 When was it printed?

Who decided what went into it?

How was that decided?

Is there anything it Gospels from Jesus that says, these are the books that will be in the Bible?

Posted by: simplemind at May

well, was there a book included or excluded that laid out the plans for a sprawling medieval institution with wildly expensive churches, huge infrastructure, and lots of corruption? was that lost in translation?

Posted by: yankeefifth at May 18, 2018 04:49 PM (MTjB1)

562 but just maybe a kind of God who wanted to give us general guidelines and teach us how to think and the basic principles that would show us how to act in such a way as to benefit ourselves and everyone around us. And maybe one that would say "oh come on do I have to tell you EVERY little thing? You can't figure anything out for yourselves???? Come on guys
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We are so dumb he had to send his only son as a literal example.

Just telling us in words was not enough.

If you doubt, have kids.
Your children will follow your example more closely than they will ever follow your advice. Humans. We. Are. Dumb.

Posted by: simplemind at May 18, 2018 04:50 PM (cbhOW)

563 I get it. Its just that there a metric ton of protestants who have been told that catholics worship Idols. This is an easily correctable misconception. I explain when given the chance. Its particularly bothersome in that it drives so many protestants away from praying for Mary's Intercession.

Posted by: simplemind at May

not it at all. In protestantism there is no one and no thing between you and God. no mediator, no bridge, and no need for someone else to intercede.

Posted by: yankeefifth at May 18, 2018 04:52 PM (MTjB1)

564 People on both sides are looking for the shooter's political motivation, to blame the other side.

When it, more than likely, boils down to a personal beef with other students.

Wouldn't be the first time.

Posted by: franksalterego at May 18, 2018 04:53 PM (3cq8T)

565 The Wikipedia page notes that the Templars had a couple of reliquaries (containers for the body parts of venerated persons such as saints), which had the bodliy relics -- heads, specifically -- of a couple of Christian saints inside them (yeah, that kind of thing went on a lot back then and wasn't considered heretical or anything).

Catholics still do that sort of thing, at least up until very recently.

Saint Joseph's Oratory in Montreal has the heart of St Andre Bessette in a reliquary which is on display. St Andre Bessette died in 1937.

Posted by: bonhomme at May 18, 2018 04:55 PM (iv0p7)

566 well, was there a book included or excluded that laid out the plans for a sprawling medieval institution with wildly expensive churches, huge infrastructure, and lots of corruption? was that lost in translation?

Posted by: yankeefifth
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Nope. But consider this . . .

The Catholic Church is an institution I am bound to hold divine - but for unbelievers, a proof of its divinity might be found in the fact that no merely human institution conducted with such knavish imbecility would have lasted a fortnight".

Seriously, idiots, criminals, lechers throughout the ages and at the same time also generating some of the most amazing human beings to grace the planet throughout the ages.

Posted by: simplemind at May 18, 2018 04:59 PM (98pXL)

567 Concentrating on mental illness, early intervention with criminal youth (not giving them a pass), actually securing school grounds, avoiding giving the killers the fame they desire... these things *might* make a difference.

So they must be avoided at all cost, in favor of restricting civil rights, which has never reduced violence anywhere.

Thanks, stupid people. Imagine where we would be without you.

Probably colonizing our first exoplanet, actually.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 18, 2018 05:00 PM (FDnQi)

568 I get it. Its just that there a metric ton of protestants who have been told that catholics worship Idols. This is an easily correctable misconception. I explain when given the chance. Its particularly bothersome in that it drives so many protestants away from praying for Mary's Intercession.

Posted by: simplemind at May

not it at all. In protestantism there is no one and no thing between you and God. no mediator, no bridge, and no need for someone else to intercede.
Posted by: yankeefifth at May 18, 2018 04:52 PM (MTjB1)

Except Jesus as the bridge, but I think you already allowed for that. Jesus as part of the Godhead.

I was raised Catholic, and my mom told me from the youngest age I told her I was going the direct route...right to God. I didn't see why I had to go through priests and saints and all that other malarky.

So that's me. However, at this point in my life I tend to focus on the nexus of Jesus and God in different religions instead of the theology or ideology. Even spoke with some Mormons recently, it was a great conversation once we got past the ideology portion and to Jesus and God as our shared belief.

The war in Ireland between Catholics and Protestants had to be one of the most wasteful in my lifetime, as far as the reasons. JMO.

Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 18, 2018 05:01 PM (w45mR)

569 It's not guns we need to control...

Posted by: ZZMike at May 18, 2018 05:01 PM (G/zY3)

570 We're fighting over Christianity again? Maybe if we all acted as one, people who weren't Christians would be believe that we are indeed one.

Is your heart as my heart?. Then give me your hand.

John Wesley

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 18, 2018 05:03 PM (vw6r3)

571 Nope. But consider this . . .

The Catholic Church is an institution I am bound to hold divine - but for unbelievers, a proof of its divinity might be found in the fact that no merely human institution conducted with such knavish imbecility would have lasted a fortnight".

Seriously, idiots, criminals, lechers throughout the ages and at the same time also generating some of the most amazing human beings to grace the planet throughout the ages.

Posted by: simplemind at May

well, we are probably not as far apart as you might think I have quite a lot of respect for the catholic church and what it did in preserving and bringing forward the church from its founding. even after the fall of the roman empire the role that the catholic church played in as a church and as an organization in europe was extremely important for both.

my complaint is that whatever is an institution designed to benefit man or men and not simply fulfill the mission is at best unnecessary and should be eliminated.

Posted by: yankeefifth at May 18, 2018 05:04 PM (MTjB1)

572 When it, more than likely, boils down to a personal beef with other students.

Wouldn't be the first time.

Posted by: franksalterego at May 18, 2018 04:53 PM (3cq8T)

Probably better described as a generalized beef with other students, teachers, and the world in general, because the shooter's view of the world will be "resentment," because it always is. They will resent how other people seem to be happier or more successful, and they want to "even the score" by hurting others.

They will also likely have written or spoken about other mass shootings, and other people will turn out to have known about it and did nothing.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 18, 2018 05:04 PM (FDnQi)

573 We're fighting over Christianity again? Maybe if we all acted as one, people who weren't Christians would be believe that we are indeed one.

Is your heart as my heart?. Then give me your hand.

John Wesley
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May

not fighting, debating. nothing wrong with considering beliefs.

Posted by: yankeefifth at May 18, 2018 05:05 PM (MTjB1)

574 We used to take better care of crazy people in this country than we do today. For years now, we have been refusing them medical attention and putting them out in a dangerous world to be harmed and to harm others. That is just plain wrong. We see people everyday that NEED to be some place safe, not roaming around in our society acting on impulses which cause harm to themselves or others.

Posted by: Eromero at May 18, 2018 05:09 PM (zLDYs)

575 I don't know. Some of it sounds like debating. Some of it sounds like putdowns. I'm not pointing to you-just a general point. As I get older I find less and less desire to debate beliefs, and want to talk about the ways Christians get closer to Jesus-not the things that separate them.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 18, 2018 05:09 PM (vw6r3)

576
not it at all. In protestantism there is no one and no thing between you and God. no mediator, no bridge, and no need for someone else to intercede.
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There's no NEED for your mother to pray for you either. But she can and does. Same thing. Catholics have no NEED to pray to the saints. The saints and Mary are not a bridge. They are not necessary. They are not intermediaries any more than you are an intermediary if you pray for your Mom. If you can pray for someone, why can't a saint pray for you. Too busy? Better things to do? Charity doesn't stop at Heaven. You get there because you are awesome and you don't stop being awesome once you get there.

let's all try to be awesome on two, ready break!!

Posted by: simplemind at May 18, 2018 05:10 PM (C8dsN)

577 I don't know. Some of it sounds like debating. Some of it sounds like putdowns. I'm not pointing to you-just a general point. As I get older I find less and less desire to debate beliefs, and want to talk about the ways Christians get closer to Jesus-not the things that separate them.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May

well, you could point at me and I would be fine with you doing so. Lots of my comments to swing kind of hard at the catholic church, but not because I dislike the catholic church or catholics, quite the opposite. Lots of things that go on in the catholic church, such as the current pope and his nonsense, seem to be less than the church and belivers deserve.

Posted by: yankeefifth at May 18, 2018 05:12 PM (MTjB1)

578 There's no NEED for your mother to pray for you either. But she can and does. Same thing. Catholics have no NEED to pray to the saints. The saints and Mary are not a bridge. They are not necessary. They are not intermediaries any more than you are an intermediary if you pray for your Mom. If you can pray for someone, why can't a saint pray for you. Too busy? Better things to do? Charity doesn't stop at Heaven. You get there because you are awesome and you don't stop being awesome once you get there.

let's all try to be awesome on two, ready break!!

Posted by: simplemind at May

well, the priests are intermediaries aren't they? there also is something of a political element with the saints, who they are, where they are from. relics seem pretty close to idols.

Posted by: yankeefifth at May 18, 2018 05:14 PM (MTjB1)

579 JMO, but I saw people explaining their beliefs, not debating or putting others down...but maybe I missed some posts. Maybe I'm just in a good mood. Also, Atheists especially will debate, why wouldn't they. Sometimes I engage, sometimes I don't.

Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 18, 2018 05:15 PM (w45mR)

580 I particularly liked the "Mormons aren't Christians because they are evil Masons" followed immediately by "Don't make up straw men about Catholics and don't tell us what we believe."

That was comedy gold.

Posted by: Vanceone at May 18, 2018 05:19 PM (A9Gmy)

581 Charity doesn't stop at Heaven. You get there because you are awesome and you don't stop being awesome once you get there.

Man, I hope I'm more awesome in Heaven than I am here on Earth. That'd be a bummer if I'm not.

Also, my hope in Heaven is based on Christ. If it is based on me I'm totally screwed.

Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 18, 2018 05:21 PM (w45mR)

582 Posted by: yankeefifth at May 18, 2018 05:12 PM (MTjB1)

It seems to me that the general consensus from the Catholics here is that they don't like the political pronouncements of the Pope, but as they are binding doctrinal announcements they let them go . They also realize Popes come and go and have over the centuries of the church. Some were better than others some were dreadful. From what I read here their celebrating the Eucharist and spending time in front of it, saying the rosary and asking for the intercession of the Saints is very meaningful to them. It draws them closer to Jesus-which is the goal in the Christian life, is it not?-to be transformed as much as possible into the image of Christ. Other Christians get that from reading the Bible (not that RC's don't read the Bible. Of course they do; It has just been more emphasized in the 20th century than it was before) or reading various devotionasl or singing the great hymns. I think different aspects of faith touch people in different ways and the Holy Spirit can work through them all.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 18, 2018 05:22 PM (vw6r3)

583 580 I particularly liked the "Mormons aren't Christians because they are evil Masons" followed immediately by "Don't make up straw men about Catholics and don't tell us what we believe."

That was comedy gold.
Posted by: Vanceone at May 18, 2018 05:19 PM (A9Gmy)

I missed that one. lol

I was busy laughing at people explaining my eye problems, and being mad at J.J.

Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 18, 2018 05:22 PM (w45mR)

584 I was busy laughing at people explaining my eye problems,

I just showed up on this thread. What is your eye problem?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 18, 2018 05:24 PM (vw6r3)

585 Catholics do have a different bible than Protestants. It includes more books, iirc.

Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 18, 2018 05:24 PM (w45mR)

586 I was busy laughing at people explaining my eye problems,

I just showed up on this thread. What is your eye problem?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 18, 2018 05:24 PM (vw6r3)

I poked myself in my left eye, but my right eye hurt. I got some pretty funny responses.

Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 18, 2018 05:26 PM (w45mR)

587 Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 18, 2018 05:24 PM (w45mR)

Yes, the RC Bible has some different books. That's why I like to concentrate on the ones we have in common.

Human beings are naturally an argumentative lot, aren't we? ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 18, 2018 05:26 PM (vw6r3)

588 And why are you mad at J.J.?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 18, 2018 05:26 PM (vw6r3)

589 582-Mean Pope's comments are NOT binding doctrinal announcements.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 18, 2018 05:27 PM (vw6r3)

590 582-Mean Pope's comments are NOT binding doctrinal announcements.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May

well, that is fine, but the more interesting thing is how did the guy get elected to the position? not likely that his inclinations were unknown before he was elected. his election suggests that there are a lot of people in the church that agree with him. then there is the fact that his election was more or less a coup.

Posted by: yankeefifth at May 18, 2018 05:35 PM (MTjB1)

591 And why are you mad at J.J.?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 18, 2018 05:26 PM (vw6r3)

Oh, that's just me being childish bcz he didn't give me credit for something. In my head I know it is stupid, so it is really good-natured mad.

Posted by: prof disarray, gg channel at May 18, 2018 05:36 PM (w45mR)

592 87
BTW, I don't believe in a devil called "Baphomet" because he's not in
the lists of all the devils listed in early books about the ranks of
hell. He's a pretty new addition. Which makes me suspicious.

Posted by: ace at May 18, 2018 03:30 PM (8rNrN)

ace, you are correct. Baphoment was not a Goetic demon, but instead was a god of (occult) wisdom popular in the levant and suspected of being a secret mascot of the templars. He has a lot of problems stemming from how he looks, and i am sure some extra bad energy has been sent that way, but as far as i can tell demon is not exactly the right thing to call that one, any more than it would be to call Hearn or any other stag horned god a demon. they are something else, made into symbols of evil.

(says the person who has studied shamanic traditions and early religions a la Mircea Eliade, in a scholarly way, for 30 years) Please do not judge, everyone needs a hobby and my knitting is terrible, besides... knowledge of symbolism makes my paintings more interesting.

Posted by: Gushka Can haz Kittehs what plays Fetch! at May 18, 2018 05:44 PM (x9b73)

593 Posted by: yankeefifth at May 18, 2018 05:35 PM (MTjB1)

I think it can be a very political process yes-and the resignation of Benedict does seem quite odd.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 18, 2018 06:05 PM (vw6r3)

594 134 Do you know who else started out as a builder?
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic

-----

Bob?
Posted by: rickb223 at May 18, 2018 03:28 PM

My friend's kid just started working at In N Out. She builds burgers....Oh. My. God.

Posted by: SoCalAl at May 18, 2018 06:26 PM (bzqZP)

595 Just watched CBS news. You called it. Shot of trenchcoat and they said "Nazi regalia." Nothing else.

Posted by: Joe Bar at May 18, 2018 06:33 PM (wexIo)

596 From the Daily Beast story:
"Pagourtzis uploaded a number of t-shirts that feature Vaporwave-style designs. Vaporwave, a music and design movement, has spawned a related movement called Fashwave, which borrows the same aesthetic but applies them to neo-Nazi subjects."

I suppose if Dimitri liked Verdi The Beast would point out Wagner.... NAZI!

Posted by: spidly at May 18, 2018 08:05 PM (buP4J)

597 Just a note that if you are watching the NBA Playoffs you are supporting the BLM Communist gun confiscation movement as Yahoo Sports and douchebag "DO SOMETHING" Chris Paul so helpfully pointed out in today's article. #BoycottNBA

The NBA Support for Gun Control

Paul and fellow NBA stars LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Carmelo Anthony famously opened the 2016 ESPYs with a call for political action

https://yhoo.it/2rRBwxG

Posted by: TriggerWarning at May 18, 2018 09:22 PM (YRXy3)

598 Of Symbols Prussian or German.
Once long ago on RnR in a European nation My friend Bennett was accosted by locals. Angry they called him a Kraut, NAZI and Boche.
We calmed them down and asked why?
It was Bennet's United States Marine Corps Sharpshooters badge which was and is in the shape of the Maltese or Iron Cross.
To us it was a Mid level shooting badge, to them it represented NAZI's, Hun's Germany and war.
The strength of symbols is amazing!

Posted by: obsidian at May 19, 2018 10:30 AM (ARK2U)

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