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Thread before the Gardening Thread: Radical Chic [KT]

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Serving your mid-day open thread needs

Tom Wolfe died this week. I guess I knew him best kind of through general circulation of phrases from his work, rather than from reading his work myself. I certainly knew about that party at Lenny's, but didn't know much about the guy who described it. He was called a pioneer of "The New Journalism," which was not exactly the post-new journalism we have today. Before New Journalism was a thing, he wrote about classic cars.

I heard a few comments on his book The Right Stuff on NPR, sort of by accident. They were rather admiring, for NPR.

There's a piece about him up at Chicago Boyz called The Last Realist. It includes a long video discussion between him and William F. Buckley. Don't make TV like that no more.

Wolfe championed a literary style that was part journalism, part acerbic effervescence. Few (if any) recent writers were better able to craft stories by such vivid portrayals of particular people in particular places at particular times.

By the way, don't miss Sgt. Mom's Revolutionary War piece right below it, The Worst Day At Work, Ever.

A lot of history packed into that short piece. Fun to read.

But back to Wolfe:

Forbes ran an article concerning "Two Essential Pieces about the American Economy" that he wrote. One concerns Silicon Valley. The other was about working for government:

"Mau-Mauing the Flak Catchers" tells the story . . . of how, in the late 1960s, representatives of the "urban ghetto" shook down bureaucrats to get their hands on all the new welfare-state money. The preferred tactic was to intimidate--to "mau-mau" the bureaucrat, the "flak catcher."

"[T]his lifer is ready to catch whatever flak you're sending up. It doesn't matter what bureau they put him in. It's all the same. Poverty, Japanese imports, valley fever, tomato-crop parity, partial disability, home loans, second-probate accounting, the Interstate 90 detour change order, lockouts, secondary boycotts, G.I. alimony, the Pakistani quota, cinch mites...veterans' dental benefits, workmen's compensation, suspended excise rebates--whatever you're angry about, it doesn't matter, he's there to catch the flak. He's a lifer. Everybody knows the scene is a shuck."

The author of the Forbes piece, Brian Domitrovic, also notes that these "lifers" enjoy being connected to power. He makes several very interesting observations and reaches an interesting conclusion from the two Wolfe pieces, though not a surprising one:

As Wolfe's polar pieces more than suggested, if we sized down government, entrepreneurialism and real-world employment would increasingly appear as the natural, proper, and fulfilling province for so many of us.

Well, yes.

The Barrister at Maggie's Farm calls him an anti-intellectual intellectual. You might want to follow the link and read the piece by Continetti, too. How much has the academic climate changed for those whose views do not fit with progressive expectations since "that evening in the sixties"?

Hope you have a good weekend. Thinking about making some history?

Posted by: Open Blogger at 11:12 AM




Comments

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1 So, why the long face?

Posted by: Seabiscuit Kerry, Preakness Hopeful at May 19, 2018 11:06 AM (Tyii7)

2 Quiet around here.......

Posted by: Molly k. at May 19, 2018 11:07 AM (IR0iM)

3 They are still on weird news stuff...

Posted by: lin-duh at May 19, 2018 11:08 AM (kufk0)

4 There was a lot of talk about Tom Wolfe this week. I couldn't remember if he was the one who wrote Bonfire of the Vanities or not. If so, I didn't get very far in that book.

Not that it's bad or anything, it was just a world in which I had zero interest.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 19, 2018 11:08 AM (cY3LT)

5 Always feel odd when I leisurely read to the bottom of the post and realize zero comments are attached. Emotionally conflicted: I coulda been a contendah vs too silly a thing to care about.

Pharst!

Posted by: mindful webworker - click at your own risk at May 19, 2018 11:10 AM (YdSkn)

6 Does anyone have a suggestion for the best Veteran charity I can donate to

Posted by: lousagirl at May 19, 2018 11:10 AM (PmCoA)

7 The founders knew that men being men there was no way to keep corruption out of government. They crafted the smallest government they could that would accomplish what they wanted and left the rest to the States which were closer to the people. That would keep corruption to a minimum in the federal government. It didn't take long for the politicians to undo that. It even started with Adams who always wanted a strong and big central government and was unable to get it at the convention. So he started it as soon as he was President. Good thing Thomas Jefferson undid almost everything he did.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 19, 2018 11:11 AM (mpXpK)

8 I can see it now...weasel getting on a plane with a match rifle, 11 lbs of ammo, and an emotional support gecko..... no red flags there...no sireee!!

Posted by: lin-duh at May 19, 2018 11:11 AM (kufk0)

9 mindful -- I'm the same way as far as no comments. Too scared to try (think of boulder th). Don't want to be anywhere near top 10.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 19, 2018 11:12 AM (MIKMs)

10 Pulling this into the new thread, just because:

Yes, and let's be specific. Those were cheetahs, which means it ended the way it did. Had they been lions, the story would have been completely different.
--------------------------------

Well, to be fair, the cheetahs were probably interesting in snacking on the kids.

They were well within cheetah prey range.

And the cheetahs looked to be employing their usual tactics of rushing the group and trying to isolate the kids from panicking elders of the pack.
Posted by: naturalfake at May 19, 2018 11:06 AM (9q7Dl)


Oh yes, most definitely! Those cheetahs would have had a nice snack, had there not been adult humans around. And that's the point. Adult humans will give cheetahs pause. I'm assuming had the car not been there, and these humans were isolated enough from any other help, eventually they would have gotten their food.

However, had they been lions, anyone who they had decided to kill, would be dead. In seconds.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 19, 2018 11:12 AM (cY3LT)

11 The Right Stuff (book not movie) was a pretty good, IMO.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 19, 2018 11:13 AM (Tyii7)

12 Pouring down rain again. Looks like it's going to rain on and off all day today.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 19, 2018 11:13 AM (mpXpK)

13 Does anyone have a suggestion for the best Veteran charity I can donate to
Posted by: lousagirl at May 19, 2018 11:10 AM (PmCoA)


You probably can't go wrong with AmVets.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 19, 2018 11:13 AM (cY3LT)

14 The Right Stuff is a stunningly good book. I haven't read any of his other work, but that one, and especially the writing style - the little asides and parentheticals (and the occasionally rambling meta-commentary) - and the inserts in an anonymous narrative voice! - is just fun to read. A lot of the minor complaints people have about the movie are addressed when you realize that it's trying to follow the style of the book in a different format.

Posted by: hogmartin at May 19, 2018 11:15 AM (y87Qq)

15 Wolfe's "A Man in Full" is excellent. It captures the late 80's/early 90's go-go lifestyle perfectly. I don't know if he was conservative, but he was contrarian.
I loved that book.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 19, 2018 11:16 AM (ty7RM)

16 Thanks BurtTC, I looked up Wounded Warriors, they do good but a lot of the money goes into administration

Posted by: lousagirl at May 19, 2018 11:16 AM (PmCoA)

17 After all this mean publicity about the school shooter, We must be on guard against the massive backlash against innocent bisexual, commie, Kamikaze, Nazi, devil worshippers. H8Rs gotta H8.

Posted by: mindful webworker - noose you can yoose at May 19, 2018 11:16 AM (YdSkn)

18 Tom Wolfe was a very good writer--his prose style was very invigorating, especially if you were a younger reader.
I only read a couple of his books and I always planned on reading more.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 19, 2018 11:16 AM (7uYFy)

19 I thought i heard that Wolfe came up with "good ol' boys" and other catch phrases.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 19, 2018 11:16 AM (aljs9)

20 The founders knew that men being men there was no way to keep corruption out of government.

I'm always suspicious of people advocating for more government. The "something-must-be-done-now" crowd rarely thinks things through.

Posted by: Concerned People's Front at May 19, 2018 11:17 AM (rdl6o)

21 It even started with Adams who always wanted a strong and big central government and was unable to get it at the convention.
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The 'consolidation' argument for strong and central is going on today all the time within the states. Taxpayers will save money -- but they lose accountability. Commenters I respect and always listen to have fallen for that nonsense. Without accountability, costs increase at an exponential rate, and taxpayer engagement decreases exponentially. No doubt that is why it is a perennial push; but a deep, dark, and swampy trap.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 19, 2018 11:17 AM (MIKMs)

22 I read where JJ Watts is offering to pay for the funerals of those children murdered in Santa Fe. And I thought to myself, you are looking at a future Governor of Texas.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 19, 2018 11:17 AM (vV/gB)

23 Does anyone have a suggestion for the best Veteran charity I can donate to
Posted by: lousagirl at May 19, 2018 11:10 AM (PmCoA)


DAV seems to be a good one.

Posted by: hogmartin at May 19, 2018 11:18 AM (y87Qq)

24 acerbic effervescence.



Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at May 19, 2018 11:18 AM (roQNm)

25 Always feel odd when I leisurely read to the bottom of the post and realize zero comments are attached. Emotionally conflicted: I coulda been a contendah vs too silly a thing to care about.

Pharst!
Posted by: mindful webworker - click at your own risk at May 19, 2018 11:10 AM (YdSkn)


You know, as one who doesn't play that game, it does seem to me there ought to be some decorum around it. Many posts here are light enough, it's rather harmless. Some of us have learned to skim past the first several comments on any post.

Others though, I'm like "Come on, people. Some of this stuff happening in the world... can we drop the game playing here?"

Posted by: BurtTC at May 19, 2018 11:18 AM (cY3LT)

26 I tried making history once, but either I forgot the oil, or I didn't grease the pan right. I probably didn't knead long enough anyways and in truth I was guessing on temperature and time.


Posted by: Kindltot at May 19, 2018 11:18 AM (2K6fY)

27 Always feel odd when I leisurely read to the bottom of the post and realize zero comments are attached. Emotionally conflicted: I coulda been a contendah vs too silly a thing to care about.

Pharst!
Posted by: mindful webworker - click at your own risk at May 19, 2018 11:10 AM (YdSkn)


========

I've made that stupid blunder several times in the past. You NEVER read the opening post before checking for comments.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 19, 2018 11:18 AM (/qEW2)

28 I thought i heard that Wolfe came up with "good ol' boys" and other catch phrases.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 19, 2018 11:16 AM (aljs9)

The "me decade", "radical chic", "the right stuff", "statusphere"

I'd always thought "good ol' boys" was around a lot longer---didn't Don McLean use the term in American Pie?

Posted by: JoeF. at May 19, 2018 11:19 AM (7uYFy)

29 Look, I don't mind an occasional noogie on my nutsack, but be gentle!

Posted by: Fritz at May 19, 2018 11:19 AM (J7XgW)

30 >>>Wolfe championed a literary style that was part journalism, part acerbic effervescence.

So, does this qualify as "gonzo"?

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 19, 2018 11:20 AM (/qEW2)

31 Thanks BurtTC, I looked up Wounded Warriors, they do good but a lot of the money goes into administration
Posted by: lousagirl at May 19, 2018 11:16 AM (PmCoA)


As hogmartin said, DAV is another one. These are organizations that have a bunch of people who are on the ground, doing a shedload of work on behalf of Veterans.

It's not pretty, and they don't have a lot of fanfare around them. If there's a local chapter, they may or may not have to filter it through the national orgs, but those two in particular, they're feeding, clothing, helping with equipping houses with access ramps and other adaptive stuff. Helping Vets get disability claims processed.

They do the work. Plain and simple.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 19, 2018 11:21 AM (cY3LT)

32 Thanks hogmartin

Posted by: lousagirl at May 19, 2018 11:22 AM (PmCoA)

33 Pouring down rain again. Looks like it's going to rain on and off all day today.
We've had maybe eight days without rain (or snow) since the beginning of April. It's wearing mighty thin.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 19, 2018 11:22 AM (Tyii7)

34 >>>shook down bureaucrats

Objection! It'd only be a shakedown if it was their money. As Thatcher and Milton Friedman would remind us, it's not.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 19, 2018 11:22 AM (/qEW2)

35 My favorite Wolfe book was The Kool Aid Acid Test. It was entertaining while not becoming a Massive Russian Novel like Bonfire. I had a college classmate that would obsessively type stories, novels, observations, etc. Wolfe sort of fit that pattern as he became famous. While quantity has a quality of its own, in book form, it just means someone needed an editor. See Dickens as the example.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 19, 2018 11:23 AM (vV/gB)

36 Is that a princess or a can of tea?

https://bit.ly/2LgfL2K

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 19, 2018 11:23 AM (+y/Ru)

37 Can anyone suggest an interesting book on the history of China?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 19, 2018 11:23 AM (aljs9)

38 I tried making history once, but either I forgot the oil, or I didn't grease the pan right. I probably didn't knead long enough anyways and in truth I was guessing on temperature and time.


Posted by: Kindltot at May 19, 2018 11:18 AM (2K6fY)


Nothing worse than trying to make history, and ending up with a pan full of gossip. Or worse, fake news.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 19, 2018 11:23 AM (cY3LT)

39 Gonzo Hunter S Thompson is really underestimated in my opinion. He still reads remarkably well while others of his generation and political inclinations are repetitive pap.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 19, 2018 11:23 AM (MIKMs)

40

That moment when you realize that you just opened a can of black olives and not black beans to put in your pot of chili......oh well, into the pot you go....*


*eyes carrots in fridge


0_0 NO. Just NO. NO Carrots in chili.


Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin (thought leader) at May 19, 2018 11:23 AM (YMuSO)

41 I had the good fortune to read The Right Stuff just a couple of months before the first Space Shuttle flight in 1981. It gave me some perspective on how a space plane was a natural progression of the test flights of the 1950s, and how it was sidetracked for years by the time pressure of the moon race. It also made me appreciate Young and Crippen's walkaround inspection of the vehicle after landing. It was just like pilots do, instead of being plucked from the ocean by helicopter.

Posted by: rickl at May 19, 2018 11:24 AM (sdi6R)

42 It just cost me $30 to throw away a ca. 1980 15" t.v. F-the watermelons!

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 19, 2018 11:24 AM (ty7RM)

43
Ah-ha! I see the route of my confusion. I'm Conflating Tom Wolf with "valley of the dolls" which was all book seller hype; annal effervescence, as it were, with 'Vanity of the Bonfires' which is acerbic effervescence.

my bad.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at May 19, 2018 11:25 AM (roQNm)

44 >>>Wolfe championed a literary style that was part journalism, part acerbic effervescence.

So, does this qualify as "gonzo"?
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 19, 2018 11:20 AM (/qEW2)

Yes. Tom Wolfe and Hunter S. Thompson were both regularly published in Rolling Stone magazine when that rag was worth reading. So was PJ O'Rourke.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 19, 2018 11:25 AM (7uYFy)

45 Mississippi Half Step is an outstanding song

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at May 19, 2018 11:25 AM (PUmDY)

46 Ok gotta go. Fuck China.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 19, 2018 11:26 AM (aljs9)

47 Gonzo Hunter S Thompson is really underestimated in my opinion. He still reads remarkably well while others of his generation and political inclinations are repetitive pap.
Posted by: mustbequantum at May 19, 2018 11:23 AM (MIKMs)

His "Hell's Angels" is still one of the best books I ever read.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 19, 2018 11:26 AM (7uYFy)

48 Wolfe's book "The Painted Word" is one of the best on modern art (abstract expressionism, etc).

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 19, 2018 11:27 AM (l9m7l)

49 My mom use to put sliced black olives in her chili when I was growing up. Wasn't bad...just not authentic.

Posted by: lin-duh at May 19, 2018 11:27 AM (kufk0)

50 It also made me appreciate Young and Crippen's
walkaround inspection of the vehicle after landing. It was just like
pilots do, instead of being plucked from the ocean by helicopter. Posted by: rickl at May 19, 2018 11:24 AM (sdi6R)
=====

The Right Stuff and Rocket Boys (October Sky) were such aspirational works in a sea of 'nattering nabobs of negativity' that they really deserved more acclaim than they received.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 19, 2018 11:28 AM (MIKMs)

51 Wolfe's book "The Painted Word" is one of the best on modern art (abstract expressionism, etc).
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 19, 2018 11:27 AM (l9m7l)

And his "From Bahaus to Our House" is one of the best on modern architecture.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 19, 2018 11:28 AM (7uYFy)

52
After all this mean publicity about the school shooter, We must be on guard against the massive backlash against innocent bisexual, commie, Kamikaze, Nazi, devil worshippers. H8Rs gotta H8.
Posted by: mindful webworker - noose you can yoose


Don't call him an animal. He has a spark of divinity.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 19, 2018 11:28 AM (IqV8l)

53 Movie was a hot mess, but that was intended, I thinking

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at May 19, 2018 11:29 AM (PUmDY)

54 Does anyone have a suggestion for the best Veteran charity I can donate to?

I seriously considered starting a registered charity called "beers for the troops" at one point, to enable people to follow through on their wish to buy the guys a beer, but I figured it would not be conducive to a long career of passing my weigh in.

Posted by: Hawkpilot at May 19, 2018 11:29 AM (MIVQy)

55 >>>My mom use to put sliced black olives in her chili when I was growing up. Wasn't bad...just not authentic.<<<
Black olives are so much better on burritos and enchiladas. Mmm, enchiladas.

Posted by: Fritz at May 19, 2018 11:29 AM (J7XgW)

56
Does anyone have a suggestion for the best Veteran charity I can donate to
Posted by: lousagirl at May 19, 2018 11:10 AM (PmCoA)





I'm partial to Fisher House.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 19, 2018 11:30 AM (eXA4G)

57

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Electric_Kool-Aid_Acid_Test

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 19, 2018 11:30 AM (IqV8l)

58 54 Hawkpilot, haha Love it

Posted by: lousagirl at May 19, 2018 11:31 AM (PmCoA)

59 CDC: You can eat romaine lettuce again.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 19, 2018 11:31 AM (/qEW2)

60 No ing

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at May 19, 2018 11:32 AM (PUmDY)

61 "Bonfire of the Vanities" is my favorite. He is our Thackeray.

Posted by: Caliban at May 19, 2018 11:32 AM (QE8X6)

62 You can eat romaine lettuce again.It's true!

Posted by: Zombie Euell Gibbons at May 19, 2018 11:33 AM (Tyii7)

63
I'm partial to Fisher House.

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Fisher House and Salvation Army. They do the practical and helpful direct charity with very low overhead.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 19, 2018 11:33 AM (MIKMs)

64 In college, I took a course on New Journalism from David McCraw, who is now the Vice President and Deputy General Counsel at the New York Times.

I took other courses with David, but this was 400 level course that really showed me what he was interested in. Now that he is at he NYT, I believe he is guided by the NJ standards rather than the legal standards of journalism. I would refer back to the letter he wrote the Trump campaign in 2016 requesting a retraction about two women who claimed Trump touched them inappropriately. The story became about David McCraw and not the facts of the story.

When I read the NYT today, I see the infusion of New Journalism in everything they do, even with genuine news articles. The writer's put themselves into the stories by degrees. That is how we have moved beyond New Journalism and arrived at Narcissism Journalism (see Dan Rather and Jim Acosta).

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at May 19, 2018 11:33 AM (bWZ0m)

65
CDC: You can eat romaine lettuce again.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 19, 2018 11:31 AM (/qEW2)






SNL
Coneheads
Family Feud skit
Steve Martin

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 19, 2018 11:33 AM (eXA4G)

66 CC - agreed - I think Wake of the Flood is one of their best albums.

Posted by: Top.Man. at May 19, 2018 11:33 AM (88slR)

67 But, to answer your question: Fisher House. I have a friend on the Board of Directors. They're excellent.

Posted by: Hawkpilot at May 19, 2018 11:33 AM (MIVQy)

68 Gonzo Hunter S Thompson is really underestimated in my opinion. He still reads remarkably well while others of his generation and political inclinations are repetitive pap.
Posted by: mustbequantum at May 19, 2018 11:23 AM (MIKMs)

His "Hell's Angels" is still one of the best books I ever read.
Posted by: JoeF. at May 19, 2018 11:26 AM (7uYFy)


Thompson sure is fun to read. I'm not sure how much he had to say though, was really worth reading.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 19, 2018 11:33 AM (cY3LT)

69 So, the blog is now eating carriage returns? What will the hamsters think of next?

Posted by: Zombie Euell Gibbons at May 19, 2018 11:34 AM (Tyii7)

70 Dontcha just hate people that use "reaching out" to say call, or write, or contact?

And who say "absolutely" for just yes.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at May 19, 2018 11:34 AM (/svhi)

71 54 Does anyone have a suggestion for the best Veteran charity I can donate to?

I seriously considered starting a registered charity called "beers for the troops" at one point, to enable people to follow through on their wish to buy the guys a beer, but I figured it would not be conducive to a long career of passing my weigh in.
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When my dad got back from Iwo Jima after VJ Day he and all the other vets were on trains trying to get back home from California. It seems that at every train stop they would get off and visit a local bar. They never had to pay for a drink. As my dad told us, it was an eight day drunk crossing the US. As a result, he had gangrene when he arrived at Norfolk Naval hospital.

It was the practice during the island campaigns to land a shit load of booze after an island was secured. The Division(s) would pretty much stay drunk for about 30 days and then would sober up and start preparing for the next island.

This is how you win wars.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 19, 2018 11:34 AM (vV/gB)

72
Dontcha just hate people that use "reaching out" to say call, or write, or contact?







Absolutely

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 19, 2018 11:34 AM (eXA4G)

73 Not that it's bad or anything, it was just a world in which I had zero interest.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 19, 2018 11:08 AM
~~~
I'd figure that would be a 'great' writer/journalist's skill set. Getting you 'consumed' by the plot, despite your lack of interest in a particular part of the world.

Despite my disinterest in science and technology, Michael Crichton drew me into most of his novels.

That said, I didn't read (nor see the movie) Bonfire.

Posted by: socalcon at May 19, 2018 11:34 AM (Roy2Z)

74 And who say "absolutely" for just yes.



Exactly.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Alt-Ctrl at May 19, 2018 11:35 AM (roQNm)

75 But, to answer your question: Fisher House. I have a friend on the Board of Directors. They're excellent.
Posted by: Hawkpilot at May 19, 2018 11:33 AM (MIVQy)


Serious question, other than running the houses, what do they do?

Posted by: BurtTC at May 19, 2018 11:35 AM (cY3LT)

76 I read where JJ Watts is offering to pay for the funerals of those children murdered in Santa Fe. And I thought to myself, you are looking at a future Governor of Texas.
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 19, 2018 11:17 AM (vV/gB)


I am sure that JJ Watts is a very nice man with good intentions, but I wonder if he knows TX AG's Crime Victims Compensation will cover the cost of funerals of up to $6,500.

Though I suppose it would be a great help for the families for someone to make a direct payment for them and then get what reimbursement possible through the program afterwards.

"Funeral and Burial Expenses include reimbursement for professional burial services, flowers, caskets, urns and grave markers. The maximum award for these costs is $4,500 for dates of crime prior to July 15, 2016 and $6,500 for dates of crime on or after July 15, 2016. Costs for transporting the body to another state or country are awarded in addition to the $4,500 or $6,500 maximum."

This is of course after prior resources have been exhausted, as is typical in most crime victim's compensation programs

Posted by: Kindltot at May 19, 2018 11:35 AM (2K6fY)

77 My mom use to put sliced black olives in her chili when I was growing up. Wasn't bad...just not authentic.
=====
Chili is a stew. Italian 'gravy' is a stew. You throw in what you have and add appropriate spices.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 19, 2018 11:35 AM (MIKMs)

78 Movie was a hot mess, but that was intended, I thinking
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at May 19, 2018 11:29 AM (PUmDY)


Of The Right Stuff? I liked it. Good cast. I don't know if they could have done a better job of it. The point was to film the book, or else it would have just been another space race documentary. The book has an exaggerated style that wouldn't have come through if they hadn't included the parts that seemed ham-fisted and clumsy if you were expecting a true-to-life account.

Posted by: hogmartin at May 19, 2018 11:36 AM (y87Qq)

79 Bonfire of the Vanities is a very great title

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at May 19, 2018 11:37 AM (PUmDY)

80 I am going to tell my Tom Wolfe story.

I went to grad school in downtown Manhattan. One of my best friends lived in an Opus Dei house uptown, near that other college. He invited me to dinner one night to meet and hear a talk from Tom Wolfe.

This is shortly after Bonfire. Imagine a fraternity house where all the boys are Good Boys. (I went to a football college and was in a different kind of fraternity). There's maybe 20 kids who live there. It's way on the upper west side by Columbia. They have a cook. They have a ... something ... high ranking cleric to watch over things.

After dinner (exquisite) Wolfe gives a talk and takes questions. I've read the books and I think I'm smart but then the Columbia Opus Dei kids start asking questions and I realize that I have nothing.

"So, did you use the word 'Vanities' because..."

"Yes, exactly, you see..."

They were all on a whole nother wavelength.

He did wear the white linen suit and silk socks. The whole Tom Wolfe drag.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 19, 2018 11:37 AM (fuK7c)

81 Thanks mustbequantum

Posted by: lousagirl at May 19, 2018 11:37 AM (PmCoA)

82 "Gonzo" journalism is something completely different. It's journalism that is indirectly about the journalist himself. The topic is mostly a vehicle, and in some cases barely even gets scratched, except as paranoia bait. Large amounts of booze and drugs are required, in fact are main characters in the story. The self-portrait that emerges is (we hope) intentionally funny and self-deprecating, assuming someone that stoned is capable of four-dimensional irony. But funny in any case.

Posted by: Caliban at May 19, 2018 11:38 AM (QE8X6)

83 >>>And who say "absolutely" for just yes.
<<<
Fucking righteous, brah!

Posted by: Fritz at May 19, 2018 11:38 AM (J7XgW)

84 This is how you win wars.

It is. We seem to hav lost that concept,maybe that explains why modern wars continue indefinitely.

Posted by: Hawkpilot at May 19, 2018 11:38 AM (MIVQy)

85 Dontcha just hate people that use "reaching out" to say call, or write, or contact?
And who say "absolutely" for just yes.
Posted by: Les Kinetic at May 19, 2018 11:34 AM (/svhi)


F'n A, bubba.

Posted by: Gus Grissom at May 19, 2018 11:38 AM (y87Qq)

86
But, to answer your question: Fisher House. I have a friend on the Board of Directors. They're excellent.
Posted by: Hawkpilot at May 19, 2018 11:33 AM (MIVQy)


Serious question, other than running the houses, what do they do?
Posted by: BurtTC at May 19, 2018 11:35 AM (cY3LT)






I don't thing they've branched out into other areas. Which is one big reason that they're such a good charity. They're focused, so their administrative resources aren't stretched thin trying to do too many things. Also means that there's less waste in your charity dollars.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 19, 2018 11:39 AM (eXA4G)

87 So, does this qualify as "gonzo"?


Wolfe was New Journalism.

Hunter Thompson was Gonzo.

Both arose out of the same conditions of the 1960s.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 19, 2018 11:40 AM (fuK7c)

88 You can eat romaine lettuce again.

But you can't go home again.

Posted by: Zombie T Wolfe at the Door at May 19, 2018 11:40 AM (YdSkn)

89 51
And his "From Bahaus to Our House" is one of the best on modern architecture.
Posted by: JoeF. at May 19, 2018 11:28 AM (7uYFy)


I saw an excerpt from that book quoted at Instapundit yesterday.

Posted by: rickl at May 19, 2018 11:41 AM (sdi6R)

90 Thanks all, will give a donation to each

Posted by: lousagirl at May 19, 2018 11:41 AM (PmCoA)

91 88 You can eat romaine lettuce again.

But you can't go home again.
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Different Wolf - he's from Western NC not the one from Tidewater VA.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 19, 2018 11:42 AM (vV/gB)

92
And who say "absolutely" for just yes.
Posted by: Les Kinetic at May 19, 2018 11:34 AM (/svhi)

defiantly*
*my favorite typo

Posted by: PaleRider, simply irredeemable at May 19, 2018 11:42 AM (84F5k)

93 http://bit.ly/2IxPLxQ
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Q Anon Update May 18 - Gimme Shelter - YouTube Praying Medic

Posted by: Schneider's Brown Slave at May 19, 2018 11:42 AM (y3aQB)

94 Not that it's bad or anything, it was just a world in which I had zero interest.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 19, 2018 11:08 AM
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I'd figure that would be a 'great' writer/journalist's skill set. Getting you 'consumed' by the plot, despite your lack of interest in a particular part of the world.

Despite my disinterest in science and technology, Michael Crichton drew me into most of his novels.

That said, I didn't read (nor see the movie) Bonfire.
Posted by: socalcon at May 19, 2018 11:34 AM (Roy2Z)


I don't read much fiction. When I am absorbed into a story, it's because the author is able to paint for me, a picture of the people in his story, so that I care.

The plot is often not the point. For me at least.

Classic example for me is the Tolkien stuff. I'm just not into fantasy worlds. He was. That was his thing, creating new worlds. But he also created characters that would do things that revealed who they were, in satisfying complex ways.

I think my favorite part of the LOTR story is the return to the Shire. We see our heroes as changed men (yes, they were men), and when faced with a crisis, it almost didn't matter at all what this crisis was, or what they had to do to deal with it. They dealt with it. Because they were not the naive people they were before they left.

And I realize this comment is getting too long, but...

Tolkien has famously stated how much he hated allegory, and yet... and YET, the trilogy became allegorical, whether he intended it or not. The Hobbits were the Brits, plain and simple.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 19, 2018 11:42 AM (cY3LT)

95 6 Does anyone have a suggestion for the best Veteran charity I can donate to
Posted by: lousagirl at May 19, 2018 11:10 AM (PmCoA)
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Don't know if it's already been mentioned, but Fisher House is a good candidate. We donate half of the cookbook proceeds to them.

Posted by: Weasel at May 19, 2018 11:43 AM (MVjcR)

96 Serious question, other than running the houses, what do they do?

I don't think so. They're basically Ronald McDonald House, but for Troops families. But I shot the question off to Mr. Board of Directors. I'll let you know if he answers.

Posted by: Hawkpilot at May 19, 2018 11:44 AM (MIVQy)

97 70 Dontcha just hate people that use "reaching out" to say call, or write, or contact?
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My latest intolerance is "No problem" as a response to "Thank you". Especially in a counter or restaurant.

The implication is (to me at least), the server perceives each interaction with a customer as a potential 'problem'.

Change your attitude, ya jerk! You had no idea what my request would be (perhaps only a water cup? or a clean knife) but you set you attitude to "Here's another bitchy customer with a problem.

I'm temped to further reply (however): No problem? That's good. I'd hate to complicate your day with a *problem*.

The phrase 'You're welcome' had gone the way of the jukebox. It seems.

Posted by: socalcon at May 19, 2018 11:45 AM (Roy2Z)

98 It includes a long video discussion between him and William F. Buckley. Don't make TV like that no more.
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'Firing Line', which I watched religiously.

And you are correct, that sort of TV just doesn't exist anymore. My own opinion is that the sundry intellects necessary to such conversations do not exist anymore either.

Charlie Rose and Bill Moyers would have a go at it now and then, but their watery cerebral substance couldn't cover their biases. By contrast with Buckley they were mere pretenders.

The current crop of pygmies merits no consideration at all.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 19, 2018 11:46 AM (c/EDo)

99 I'm pretty sure Wolfe would have been called a racist if he wrote Bonfire of the Vanities after A.O. (in the year of Obama). Course, he was from Virginia.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at May 19, 2018 11:46 AM (9BLnV)

100 Oh, and Bonfire was supposed to be Wolfe's first "fiction" book.

The Rev. Francis Bacon (pig, get it) was Al Sharpton, who was still fat back then.

It really was NYC in that point of the 80s.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 19, 2018 11:47 AM (fuK7c)

101 When I read the NYT today, I see the infusion of New Journalism in everything they do, even with genuine news articles. The writer's put themselves into the stories by degrees. That is how we have moved beyond New Journalism and arrived at Narcissism Journalism (see Dan Rather and Jim Acosta).
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at May 19, 2018 11:33 AM (bWZ0m)

You're correct, but like with almost everything else, the originals were great--but the thousands of imitators ruined it. New Journalism was corrupted by hordes of lesser talents and I can't blame Wolfe (or Thompson or Joan Didion for that matter) for the existence of the vapid Jim Acosta.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 19, 2018 11:48 AM (7uYFy)

102 Pool balls made of styrofoam and no one's got the time are excellent lyrics.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at May 19, 2018 11:48 AM (PUmDY)

103 97
My latest intolerance is "No problem" as a response to "Thank you". Especially in a counter or restaurant.
Posted by: socalcon at May 19, 2018 11:45 AM (Roy2Z)


Much worse than that is:

"Thank you."
"Mmm hm."

Which sounds like, "Damn right you should be thanking me."

Posted by: rickl at May 19, 2018 11:48 AM (sdi6R)

104 Dontcha just hate people that use "reaching out" to say call, or write, or contact?
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I always want to ask, "Okay, by 'reach out', what do you mean?"

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 19, 2018 11:48 AM (c/EDo)

105 socalcon. Well we had a grumpy horde member who was affronted at staff that presumed to say "you're welcome" in response to a customer thank you. I suppose in a high end setting staff should be instructed to reply "my pleasure" but there are probably folks who would find that irritating.

Posted by: PaleRider, simply irredeemable at May 19, 2018 11:48 AM (84F5k)

106 Oh, and Bonfire was supposed to be Wolfe's first "fiction" book.

The Rev. Francis Bacon (pig, get it) was Al Sharpton, who was still fat back then.

It really was NYC in that point of the 80s.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 19, 2018 11:47 AM (fuK7c)

Was there a character modeled on Trump in that novel?

Posted by: JoeF. at May 19, 2018 11:48 AM (7uYFy)

107 >>98 And you are correct, that sort of TV just doesn't exist anymore. My own
opinion is that the sundry intellects necessary to such conversations do
not exist anymore either.

Check out the debate in the sidebar. Of course that was a one sided intellect for Peterson and Frye.

Posted by: bananaDream at May 19, 2018 11:49 AM (yRBj9)

108 But, to answer your question: Fisher House. I have a friend on the Board of Directors. They're excellent.
Posted by: Hawkpilot at May 19, 2018 11:33 AM (MIVQy)


Serious question, other than running the houses, what do they do?
Posted by: BurtTC at May 19, 2018 11:35 AM (cY3LT)


I don't thing they've branched out into other areas. Which is one big reason that they're such a good charity. They're focused, so their administrative resources aren't stretched thin trying to do too many things. Also means that there's less waste in your charity dollars.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 19, 2018 11:39 AM (eXA4G)


Got it, thanks.

A noble cause, to be sure. What I like about the more traditional service orgs is that they are just a bunch of people who do whatever needs to get done, for whoever needs it.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 19, 2018 11:49 AM (cY3LT)

109 I always want to ask, "Okay, by 'reach out', what do you mean?"
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 19, 2018 11:48 AM (c/EDo)

Reach out for ME!!!!!

Posted by: Levi Stubbs and the Four Tops at May 19, 2018 11:50 AM (7uYFy)

110 "Gonzo" journalism is something completely different. It's journalism that is indirectly about the journalist himself.

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It's the story of how they got the story in which the journalist is front and center and the story a distant second.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 19, 2018 11:50 AM (+y/Ru)

111 I can't blame Wolfe (or Thompson or Joan Didion for that matter) for the existence of the vapid Jim Acosta.


That's a problem that comes up in art threads, too. Picasso, Pollack, and even Rothko were important in changing how people see things.

People who tried to copy what they did were not.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 19, 2018 11:50 AM (fuK7c)

112

And who say "absolutely" for just yes.


I prefer Curly Howard's reply, "Soitenly!"

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at May 19, 2018 11:51 AM (GdWl+)

113 The pleasantry that most irritates me is

"Have good rest of your day."

Grr. It's awkward and stilted, and absolutely grates.

I also dislike the redundant "five year anniversary." I even hear that on TV and the radio. Yrrggh!


I've always avoided "no problem," although I will catch myself using it addressing a friend. Never the general public.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Fed Up at May 19, 2018 11:51 AM (Mkuv2)

114 I thought i heard that Wolfe came up with "good ol' boys" and other catch phrases.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 19, 2018 11:16 AM (aljs9)



Nah. That's been around forever.

I heard it as a wee tad in Texas.


Maybe Wolfe introduced the term to the Universe O'Yankees.


By the way, "good ole boy" wasn't used in the ironic, passive-aggressive negative manner way it's used now by Our Betters.

It was a positive, straight up compliment.

"You'll like Bubba. He's a good ole boy."

Posted by: naturalfake at May 19, 2018 11:51 AM (9q7Dl)

115 Was there a character modeled on Trump in that novel?


Hmmm. I haven't read it since then, but it does seem like there would have been.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 19, 2018 11:51 AM (fuK7c)

116 I do like the Chick Fil-A version of you're welcome.

"My pleasure."

It's very folksy.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Fed Up at May 19, 2018 11:52 AM (Mkuv2)

117 The current crop of pygmies merits no consideration at all.
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The Munk Debates. The latest is featured in the sidebar. Astonishing because the US debaters were so totally clueless. Envy on parade. Highly recommended.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 19, 2018 11:52 AM (MIKMs)

118 "Gonzo" journalism is something completely different. It's journalism that is indirectly about the journalist himself.

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It's the story of how they got the story in which the journalist is front and center and the story a distant second.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 19, 2018 11:50 AM (+y/Ru)

True. But Gonzo and NewJourno are more like two strands of the same thing. Or maybe Gonzo is NewJourno on drugs.....

Posted by: Levi Stubbs and the Four Tops at May 19, 2018 11:53 AM (7uYFy)

119
Wolfe's "A Man in Full" is excellent. It captures the late 80's/early 90's go-go lifestyle perfectly. I don't know if he was conservative, but he was contrarian.
I loved that book.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 19, 2018 11:16 AM



Oh yes. Making Stoicism great again. Great book, great writer.

Posted by: Hands at May 19, 2018 11:54 AM (EzdLW)

120 bonfire captured everything then.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at May 19, 2018 11:54 AM (PUmDY)

121 I've largely adopted the Australian version of You're welcome: No worries. Goes over pretty well, at least in writing.

Posted by: Hawkpilot at May 19, 2018 11:54 AM (MIVQy)

122 Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at May 19, 2018 11:51 AM (GdWl+)
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WHY SOITENLY

Posted by: Schneider's Brown Slave at May 19, 2018 11:54 AM (y3aQB)

123 Mmm hm."

I prefer the simple snort of derision.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 19, 2018 11:54 AM (7LY+6)

124 I can't blame Wolfe (or Thompson or Joan Didion for that matter) for the existence of the vapid Jim Acosta.

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I blame tequila.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 19, 2018 11:56 AM (+y/Ru)

125 Stuff to go do. Don't start any new memes 'til I get back, mkay? Or at least keep track of them.

Ha?

Posted by: mindful webworker's sudden departure at May 19, 2018 11:56 AM (YdSkn)

126

I always want to ask, "Okay, by 'reach out', what do you mean?"

Here's another one: people "share" information instead of just telling about it.

Sounds smarmy to me.

But then again, a few decades ago there was a popular TV show "The Dukes of Hazzard." I can't count the number of times I saw the word "hazard" misspelled with 2 z's in the years that show was aired.

People are really weak.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at May 19, 2018 11:56 AM (GdWl+)

127 96 Serious question, other than running the houses, what do they do?

I don't think so. They're basically Ronald McDonald House, but for Troops families. But I shot the question off to Mr. Board of Directors. I'll let you know if he answers.
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Just my two cents, we are not seeing very many casualties these days but we do have a lot of veteran's children coming up on college expenses. I think there are a number of charities that help killed and disabled veteran's children with tuition costs.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 19, 2018 11:57 AM (vV/gB)

128 I saw Snort of Derision do a stand alone show in Cobo Arena in1975.

Posted by: Vlad the Impaler, whittling away like mad. at May 19, 2018 11:57 AM (eLgqt)

129
And who say "absolutely" for just yes.



Meh.

There's more than one way to say "yes" and I use them all.

However, I dislike the whole "no problem" from someone who's job it is to serve me, if I'm polite enough to say "thank you".

Of course, it's no problem, dipshit. It's your fucking job. I'm being polite.

A simple "You're welcome." or "My pleasure" is the proper response.

Posted by: naturalfake at May 19, 2018 11:57 AM (9q7Dl)

130 "You'll like Bubba. He's a good ole boy."
Posted by: naturalfake at May 19, 2018 11:51 AM (9q7Dl)

The Italian version is, "You'll like Rocco, he's a "goodfella"

Posted by: Henry Hill at May 19, 2018 11:57 AM (7uYFy)

131 "In his book Wolfe centered on values which had no price and did not disappear with the flow of time. He decided to find out what makes people commit extraordinary deeds, overcome doubts and fear and make their job what others would call a heroic deed. Wolfe became fascinated by the characters of pilots and astronauts and as he himself wrote his book 'became a story of why men were willing - willing? - delighted! - to take on such odds in this, an era literary people had long since characterized as the age of the anti-hero'...."

--- Essay on The Right Stuff

https://bit.ly/2GvHUPK

Posted by: Hands at May 19, 2018 11:58 AM (EzdLW)

132 "Absolutely" is an enthusiastic "yes."

Posted by: JoeF. at May 19, 2018 11:58 AM (7uYFy)

133 Hmm. Did not know the wannabe king walked sparkle down the aisle. Where was her father?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 19, 2018 11:59 AM (7LY+6)

134 I find Tom Wolfe wordy, and I don't that that can be said in a good way. I bet I would have found him prattlesome and tedious in person.

Posted by: Downcast at May 19, 2018 11:59 AM (VWE5i)

135
Reach out

https://youtu.be/yt6DvapiK-w

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 19, 2018 12:00 PM (IqV8l)

136 95 Weasel, I donated some to them and the DAV
Thanks
Tried to give to AMVets
Form would not go through so will send a check.
Thanks all for the good suggestions
Thanks all AOS Veterans

Posted by: lousagirl at May 19, 2018 12:00 PM (PmCoA)

137 132 "Absolutely" is an enthusiastic "yes."
Posted by: JoeF. at May 19, 2018 11:58 AM (7uYFy)
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Abso-fucking-loutely is more enthusiastic-er.

Posted by: Weasel at May 19, 2018 12:00 PM (MVjcR)

138 PaleRider, nothing wrong with Grumpy.that's usually my mood (just short of a-hole).

I'm giving some thought to Comical...like: No problem? Well you'd better watch out for this guy/girl behind me, then.

Posted by: socalcon at May 19, 2018 12:00 PM (Roy2Z)

139

Hmm. Did not know the wannabe king walked sparkle down the aisle. Where was her father?

IIRC, heart problems.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at May 19, 2018 12:00 PM (GdWl+)

140 I saw Snort of Derision do a stand alone show in Cobo Arena in1975

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On their second album they did a great cover of 'Cocaine'

Posted by: Vlad the Impaler, whittling away like mad. at May 19, 2018 12:00 PM (eLgqt)

141 136 95 Weasel, I donated some to them and the DAV
Thanks
Tried to give to AMVets
Form would not go through so will send a check.
Thanks all for the good suggestions
Thanks all AOS Veterans
Posted by: lousagirl at May 19, 2018 12:00 PM (PmCoA)
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Thank you!!

Posted by: Weasel at May 19, 2018 12:01 PM (MVjcR)

142 If a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged, a liberal is a conservative who's been arrested
-- Tom Wolfe

Posted by: Hands at May 19, 2018 12:01 PM (EzdLW)

143 However, I dislike the whole "no problem" from someone who's job it is to serve me, if I'm polite enough to say "thank you".


This is my problem with the entire country of Australia.

I have only been there once. You ask the waitress for salt. She brings it to you and you say "thank you". She says "no worries".

No worries? Why should I be worried about asking for salt, from a girl who's supposed to bring salt to a guy who asks for it, because salt would be good on the eggs she just brought?

I hate that. "You're welcome" is good. Everyone should be more American.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 19, 2018 12:01 PM (fuK7c)

144 128 I saw Snort of Derision do a stand alone show in Cobo Arena in1975.
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Vlad, are you from Detroit?

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 19, 2018 12:01 PM (vV/gB)

145 IIRC, heart problems."

Real one, or "don't want him there" one?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 19, 2018 12:01 PM (7LY+6)

146 And who say "absolutely" for just yes.

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Meh.

There's more than one way to say "yes" and I use them all.

However, I dislike the whole "no problem" from someone who's job it is to serve me, if I'm polite enough to say "thank you".

Of course, it's no problem, dipshit. It's your fucking job. I'm being polite.

A simple "You're welcome." or "My pleasure" is the proper response.
Posted by: naturalfake at May 19, 2018 11:57 AM (9q7Dl)


For many of us, it is our job to express varying levels of approval and disapproval. How we respond is important. So I'm going to use every form of affirmation or dis-affirmation necessary, to give the listener a clear view of how I see it.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 19, 2018 12:02 PM (cY3LT)

147 135
Reach out

https://youtu.be/yt6DvapiK-w
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 19, 2018 12:00 PM
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Wow, the '70's. Not a cordless among them.

Posted by: socalcon at May 19, 2018 12:02 PM (Roy2Z)

148 I will sound like a jerk, but cnn had an Indian lady on their panel.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at May 19, 2018 12:02 PM (PUmDY)

149 Thanks all AOS Veterans
Posted by: lousagirl at May 19, 2018 12:00 PM (PmCoA)

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No problemo.

Posted by: SMH - Get right or get left at May 19, 2018 12:03 PM (VHwfF)

150

Real one, or "don't want him there" one?

Not sure, but I can imagine his stress level is pretty high. May have required a hospitalization.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at May 19, 2018 12:03 PM (GdWl+)

151 but cnn had an Indian lady on their panel."

Fauxcahantas?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 19, 2018 12:04 PM (7LY+6)

152 I find Tom Wolfe wordy, and I don't that that can be said in a good way.
Posted by: Downcast at May 19, 2018 11:59 AM (VWE5i)


I agree entirely on the first point and disagree vehemently on the second. His style is crushingly verbose, but not one word is superfluous. His people used every part of the word, before the white man came.

Posted by: Gus Grissom at May 19, 2018 12:04 PM (y87Qq)

153 Here's a good one:

I have no idea who coined the term 'the New Journalism,' or when it was coined. I have never even liked the term. Any movement, group, party, program, philosophy or theory that goes under a name with 'new' in it is just begging for trouble, of course
-- Tom Wolfe

Posted by: Hands at May 19, 2018 12:04 PM (EzdLW)

154 wait a tick, I'm not actually Gus Grissom.

Posted by: hogmartin at May 19, 2018 12:04 PM (y87Qq)

155 If a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged, a liberal is a conservative who's been arrested if they're low IQ. If intelligent, they're a libertarian. Unless, they're a Pot Libertarian, in which case, they too are low IQ (and have moobs.)

-- Tom Wolfe

Posted by: Hands at May 19, 2018 12:01 PM (EzdLW)



Appended and improved for accuracy.

You're Welcome, Ghost of Tom Wolfe!

Posted by: naturalfake at May 19, 2018 12:04 PM (9q7Dl)

156 If a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged, a liberal is a conservative who's been arrested
-- Tom Wolfe Posted by: Hands at May 19, 2018 12:01 PM (EzdLW)
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Probably what I mourn the most in the divided 'culture' marketed by the MSM. No sense whatsoever of 'there but for the grace of god am I' with these people. Tear down the rule of law to spite the devil.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 19, 2018 12:04 PM (MIKMs)

157 I find Tom Wolfe wordy, and I don't that that can be said in a good way. I bet I would have found him prattlesome and tedious in person.
Posted by: Downcast at May 19, 2018 11:59 AM (VWE5i)


I really do not mind a writer who seeks and uses words designed to be pleasing to the reader, as in, the language itself is part of the pursuit, not just the message.

However, Wolfe was one of those guys who, what little I read of him, I got the impression as he was writing, he was saying to himself "Oh, aren't I a clever sot!"

Posted by: BurtTC at May 19, 2018 12:05 PM (cY3LT)

158 It just cost me $30 to throw away a ca. 1980 15" t.v. F-the watermelons!
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 19, 2018 11:24 AM (ty7RM)

TV, remote site in countryside, .22 rifle. Some assembly required.

And when you are done, pick up the pieces, bash it down with a hammer, double-bag it, and place in your regular trash. Or somebody else's.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 19, 2018 12:05 PM (WFV7d)

159 Posted by: Gus Grissom


Oh, that nic carries a twinge.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 19, 2018 12:05 PM (fuK7c)

160 Vlad, are you from Detroit?

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Detroit area.

Posted by: Vlad the Impaler, whittling away like mad. at May 19, 2018 12:05 PM (eLgqt)

161 154 wait a tick, I'm not actually Gus Grissom.
Posted by: hogmartin at May 19, 2018 12:04 PM (y87Qq)

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Meh.

If buzzion can communicate from beyond...

Posted by: SMH - Get right or get left at May 19, 2018 12:06 PM (VHwfF)

162 Retail and waitstaff work must be full of pitfalls these days. I wonder if some places have a little manual on expressions to avoid, and preferred terms. Using guys for folks turns some people completely off for instance. "what can I get you guys tonight?" to a mixed table, or H/W is a big no no for some stuffed shirt types.

But I think my favorite was this pious 'colorblind' person and she has a biracial granddaughter so she does live it, not just preaches it but once on FB she was all up in arms when, she, having failed to get the salesperson's name, just described what they were wearing and the cashier said "the black person" to confirm who it was as though using race as an identifying feature to make sure the right salesperson got the commission or credit was some kind of bigotry. I asked if someone refering to me as "the redhead" would be OK.

Posted by: PaleRider, simply irredeemable at May 19, 2018 12:06 PM (84F5k)

163 I will sound like a jerk, but cnn had an Indian lady on their panel

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Call center or casino?

Posted by: Vlad the Impaler, whittling away like mad. at May 19, 2018 12:06 PM (eLgqt)

164 4 Tops were very great.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at May 19, 2018 12:07 PM (PUmDY)

165 I will sound like a jerk, but cnn had an Indian lady on their panel
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Dot or woo-woo?

Posted by: Weasel at May 19, 2018 12:07 PM (MVjcR)

166 Call center or casino?
Posted by: Vlad the Impaler, whittling away like mad. at May 19, 2018 12:06 PM (eLgqt)

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LOL

Posted by: SMH - Get right or get left at May 19, 2018 12:08 PM (VHwfF)

167 160 Vlad, are you from Detroit?

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Detroit area.
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Went to Junior High there right after the riots. Detroit was still an impressive place then.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 19, 2018 12:08 PM (vV/gB)

168 Just seemed gratuitous

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at May 19, 2018 12:08 PM (PUmDY)

169
I will sound like a jerk, but cnn had an Indian lady on their panel

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Call center or casino?
Posted by: Vlad the Impaler, whittling away like mad. at May 19, 2018 12:06 PM



Tomahawk or Tech Support?

Posted by: Hands, stealing other morons' lines at May 19, 2018 12:08 PM (EzdLW)

170 Mr. Board of Directors sends:

Our team at Fisher House raises money to build the houses as well as run them.
Independently, we have another board under the name of Intrepid Fallen Heroes Fund and we are building Brain Injury Centers for treating Warriors recovering from TBI's and Post Traumatic Stress.

Posted by: Hawkpilot at May 19, 2018 12:09 PM (MIVQy)

171 We must be doing something right.

Religion of Peace Update: Iranian President Rouhani: Muslim World Hates U.S. More Than Ever

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 19, 2018 12:09 PM (+y/Ru)

172 naturalflake: Of course, it's no problem, dipshit. It's your fucking job. I'm being polite.

Last year, at a resort, a busboy clearing some from the table responded "We're at your service"... I felt pretty good about that--until reading naturalflake. NF is absolutely right. Don't tell me that-- it's like the chef responding to me (after I complement a great dish) "Well, it's what you ordered!"

I'm following BurtTC's example: the accurate form of affirmation or dis-affirmation, as necessary

Posted by: socalcon at May 19, 2018 12:09 PM (Roy2Z)

173 And water is wet.

Posted by: SMH - Get right or get left at May 19, 2018 12:09 PM (VHwfF)

174 Check out the debate in the sidebar. Of course that was a one sided intellect for Peterson and Frye.
Posted by: bananaDream at May 19, 2018 11:49 AM (yRBj9)


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Frye is on the *conservative* side? That's weird.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 19, 2018 12:10 PM (/qEW2)

175 "the black person" to confirm who it was as though using race as an identifying feature to make sure the right salesperson got the commission or credit was some kind of bigotry. I asked if someone refering to me as "the redhead" would be OK.
Posted by: PaleRider, simply irredeemable at May 19, 2018 12:06 PM (84F5k)

Reminds me of a UFC fight I watched once. The bout had just started and Mike Goldberg was identifying the fighters: Jones is in the yellow trunks and Smith is in the black trunks.

Joe Rogen asked rhetorically: wouldn't it be easier to say Jones is the black guy and Smith is the white guy?

Goldberg kind of got flustered and said, can't really do that.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Fed Up at May 19, 2018 12:11 PM (Mkuv2)

176 If a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged, a liberal is a conservative who's been arrested
-- Tom Wolfe Posted by: Hands at May 19, 2018 12:01 PM (EzdLW)
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Probably what I mourn the most in the divided 'culture' marketed by the MSM. No sense whatsoever of 'there but for the grace of god am I' with these people. Tear down the rule of law to spite the devil.
Posted by: mustbequantum at May 19, 2018 12:04 PM (MIKMs)


Absolute truth: There are whole swaths of this country, where kids (mostly boys) grow up being taught there is nothing in the "common culture" that is worth preserving, and they owe nothing to it.

So when they are ground up and spit out into the Prison Industrial Complex, these are often people for whom there was little chance they would end up any other way. In prison or dead.

So there's some sympathy due to such sorry folks. Some, and only some, whereas the social structure in which they are created, and the evil left wing political structure that perpetuates it... well there is no sympathy, no mitigation, and no quarter. They are the enemy, and must be destroyed.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 19, 2018 12:11 PM (cY3LT)

177 After all this mean publicity about the school shooter, We must be on guard against the massive backlash against innocent bisexual, commie, Kamikaze, Nazi, devil worshippers. H8Rs gotta H8.

Posted by: mindful webworker - noose you can yoose at May 19, 2018 11:16 AM (YdSkn)



The left has done everything it can to destroy the family, tradition and what was normal in this country so that no one bats an eye about a bisexual, commie, Kamikaze, Nazi, devil worshippers. Good thing they got rid of that Leave to Beaver world. After all Eddie Haskell giving someone the business was soooo much worse than a bisexual, commie, Kamikaze, Nazi, devil worshipper shooting up a school

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 19, 2018 12:13 PM (SiINZ)

178
I have no idea who coined the term 'the New Journalism,' or when it was coined. I have never even liked the term. Any movement, group, party, program, philosophy or theory that goes under a name with 'new' in it is just begging for trouble, of course -- Tom Wolfe

Posted by: Hands at May 19, 2018 12:04 PM (EzdLW)


It's the same thing they do with socialism. They try to repackage old ideas as new and fresh. If anything The New Journalism is just reversing the idea of an unbiased press that didn't emerge until afterWWII. For most of it's history journalism has been sleazy

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 19, 2018 12:13 PM (10vO4)

179 Frye is on the *conservative* side? That's weird.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 19, 2018 12:10 PM (/qEW2)


Not conservative, more "P.C. is dumb and SJWs should feel bad". Fry's the one, remember, who said "It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so fucking what."

Posted by: hogmartin at May 19, 2018 12:13 PM (y87Qq)

180 >>>The phrase 'You're welcome' had gone the way of the jukebox. It seems.

Posted by: socalcon<<<
Not a problem.

Posted by: Fritz at May 19, 2018 12:13 PM (J7XgW)

181 Dontcha just hate people that use "reaching out" to say call, or write, or contact?
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I always want to ask, "Okay, by 'reach out', what do you mean?"
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 19, 2018 11:48 AM (c/EDo)

IMHO, "reach out" should only be used when referring to someone making an extraordinary effort to contact another person.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 19, 2018 12:13 PM (WFV7d)

182 Joe Rogen asked rhetorically: wouldn't it be easier to say Jones is the black guy and Smith is the white guy?


This was maddening back when if you're a certain version of 29 and you grew up with black and white TV. "Jones is in the green trunks and Smith is in the blue trunks".

Yeah, Jones is the black guy, Smith is the white guy would have helped.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 19, 2018 12:13 PM (fuK7c)

183 I will sound like a jerk, but cnn had an Indian lady on their panel

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Call center or casino?

Posted by: Vlad the Impaler, whittling away like mad. at May 19, 2018 12:06 PM


Taj Mahal or Mounds?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 19, 2018 12:14 PM (gyfiU)

184
Went to Junior High there right after the riots. Detroit was still an impressive place then

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I was off in New Mexico hiking with the Boy Scouts when that went down. First we knew about it was seen a 3 day old paper reporting the 101st deploying. Anxious.

Posted by: Vlad the Impaler, whittling away like mad. at May 19, 2018 12:14 PM (eLgqt)

185 OK. Off to the pet store to buy some fish for the tank. Back later.

Posted by: Weasel at May 19, 2018 12:14 PM (MVjcR)

186 Yeah, when I go to a restaurant, this is the kind of service I expect from my waiter.

https://youtu.be/Z9VLwV48OHs?t=17

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 19, 2018 12:14 PM (/qEW2)

187 Mr. Board of Directors sends:

Our team at Fisher House raises money to build the houses as well as run them.
Independently, we have another board under the name of Intrepid Fallen Heroes Fund and we are building Brain Injury Centers for treating Warriors recovering from TBI's and Post Traumatic Stress.
Posted by: Hawkpilot at May 19, 2018 12:09 PM (MIVQy)


Interesting! There's a lot not being said here. Specifically, why are they creating centers for treatment, when that's pretty much PRECISELY what the VA exists for!

I'm not in any way questioning their purpose, I just find it interesting that they see it as a necessity.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 19, 2018 12:15 PM (cY3LT)

188 a liberal is a conservative who's been arrested

Wolfe seems to have thought that the 'liberal' was mainly a civil libertarian. I can respect that sort of liberal.

Honestly I don't even like to use the term 'liberal' to describe the SJW statists, who are tyrants.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at May 19, 2018 12:16 PM (6FqZa)

189 The suspected gunman, who carried a Remington 870 shotgun and a .38 caliber pistol during the spree

Doesn't specify which gauge.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 19, 2018 12:16 PM (+y/Ru)

190
After all Eddie Haskell giving someone the business was soooo much worse than a bisexual, commie, Kamikaze, Nazi, devil worshipper shooting up a school
Posted by: TheQuietMan


Pipe down, squirt!

Posted by: Eddie Haskell at May 19, 2018 12:16 PM (IqV8l)

191 I will sound like a jerk, but cnn had an Indian lady on their panel

======

Call center or casino?

Posted by: Vlad the Impaler, whittling away like mad. at May 19, 2018 12:06 PM

Taj Mahal or Mounds?
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 19, 2018 12:14 PM (gyfiU)



Buffalo or Brahman?

Posted by: naturalfake at May 19, 2018 12:17 PM (9q7Dl)

192
I was off in New Mexico hiking with the Boy Scouts when that went down. First we knew about it was seen a 3 day old paper reporting the 101st deploying. Anxious.


Posted by: Vlad the Impaler, whittling away like mad. at May 19, 2018 12:14 PM (eLgqt)


I won't report you to the proper authorities this. But in future remember it's Xer Scouts

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 19, 2018 12:18 PM (10vO4)

193 176: Rush had a caller who found Rush in prison after losing TV privileges for fighting and getting tired of repeat play lists for music and it turned his life around. Caller said his family was conservative but the constant drumbeat in school and on TV of "police are out to get you; whitey stacked the deck and you can't prosper" did nudge him to have no respect for authority or rules. It was a very interesting call.

Posted by: PaleRider, simply irredeemable at May 19, 2018 12:18 PM (84F5k)

194 innocent bisexual, commie, Kamikaze, Nazi, devil worshippers

But first, he will blow me.

Posted by: big bubba, the not-quite-so-innocent commie, Kamikaze, Nazi, devil worshipper in Cell Block B at May 19, 2018 12:18 PM (6FqZa)

195 Call center or casino?
Posted by: Vlad the Impaler, whittling away like mad. at May 19, 2018 12:06 PM

Taj Mahal or Mounds?
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 19, 2018 12:14 PM (gyfiU)

Buffalo or Brahman?
Posted by: naturalfake at May 19, 2018 12:17 PM (9q7Dl)


Pemmican or pakora?

Posted by: hogmartin at May 19, 2018 12:18 PM (y87Qq)

196 I love hearing news reports about a horrible crime in a city and the reporter finishes by telling everyone to be on the lookout for a man. Maybe a man in a grey shirt.

I really, truly believe they don't realize that viewers / listeners don't know exactly what they are trying to avoid saying, and I don't think they realize how much worse they make it by trying that approach.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 19, 2018 12:18 PM (VgKNm)

197 I will sound like a jerk, but cnn had an Indian lady on their panel

======

Call center or casino?

Posted by: Vlad the Impaler, whittling away like mad. at May 19, 2018 12:06 PM

Taj Mahal or Mounds?
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 19, 2018 12:14 PM (gyfiU)


Some people. All they ever think about is bewbs.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 19, 2018 12:19 PM (cY3LT)

198 Honestly I don't even like to use the term 'liberal' to describe the SJW statists, who are tyrants.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at May 19, 2018 12:16 PM (6FqZa)


I prefer to just use the term "leftists". As all leftists are statist and tyrants, at heart, your description is also correct, though a bit more general.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 19, 2018 12:19 PM (gyfiU)

199 Frye is on the *conservative* side? That's weird.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 19, 2018 12:10 PM (/qEW2)
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Both Frye and Peterson are classical liberals and appalled by the 'newspeak' prevalent in even formal academic discourse. The idiot progressives in the debate demonstrated their envy and ugly prejudice masquerading as 'liberal' rather than 'my turn' reparations and authoritarianism. The US debaters lost bigly, btw.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 19, 2018 12:20 PM (MIKMs)

200 Some people. All they ever think about is bewbs.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 19, 2018 12:19 PM (cY3LT)

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Sorry, I was researching something in another tab. What were we talking about?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 19, 2018 12:20 PM (VgKNm)

201 >>The phrase 'You're welcome' had gone the way of the jukebox. It seems.

Posted by: socalcon
Not a problem.
Posted by: Fritz at May 19, 2018 12:13 PM

{scanning the area for security cameras, before the throat-punch}

Posted by: socalcon at May 19, 2018 12:20 PM (Roy2Z)

202 Student Isabelle Laymance, who hid for safety in a closet during the attack, told The Washington Post the alleged gunman seemed uncertain after police made contact.

"'I'll surrender, but I need y'all to talk to me. I can't hear you, I think I've blown my eardrum out. Can y'all get a megaphone? Don't get near me. I'll come out to y'all,'" she said he told police.

"Then he said, 'Give me a second, I'm thinking,' and while he said that, you could hear him reloading his gun. And then the cop would step closer and he would shoot. And he said, 'Don't get closer to me,'" she said, adding that after a few minutes, he did give himself up.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 19, 2018 12:21 PM (+y/Ru)

203 184
Went to Junior High there right after the riots. Detroit was still an impressive place then

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I was off in New Mexico hiking with the Boy Scouts when that went down. First we knew about it was seen a 3 day old paper reporting the 101st deploying. Anxious.
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We must be the same age. I watched the DC riots from Alexandria. Deja Vu, did the same for 911.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 19, 2018 12:21 PM (vV/gB)

204 176: Rush had a caller who found Rush in prison after losing TV privileges for fighting and getting tired of repeat play lists for music and it turned his life around. Caller said his family was conservative but the constant drumbeat in school and on TV of "police are out to get you; whitey stacked the deck and you can't prosper" did nudge him to have no respect for authority or rules. It was a very interesting call.
Posted by: PaleRider, simply irredeemable at May 19, 2018 12:18 PM (84F5k)


Yes. That's the sad part. At least SOME of these people, if they were exposed to a different point of view, they might decide on a different path in life.

But they are never exposed to it. Just go through life believing what is pounded into their heads from the start: That WE, the dominant culture, are the cause of all their troubles.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 19, 2018 12:22 PM (cY3LT)

205 Buffalo or Brahman?

Posted by: naturalfake at May 19, 2018 12:17 PM (9q7Dl)


Turquoise or Diamond?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 19, 2018 12:22 PM (gyfiU)

206 Not a problem.
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My pleasure!

Posted by: Teenaged Chicken Vendor at May 19, 2018 12:22 PM (4bKiB)

207
Rush had a caller who found Rush in prison after losing TV privileges for fighting and getting tired of repeat play lists for music and it turned his life around. Caller said his family was conservative but the constant drumbeat in school and on TV of "police are out to get you; whitey stacked the deck and you can't prosper" did nudge him to have no respect for authority or rules. It was a very interesting call.

Posted by: PaleRider, simply irredeemable at May 19, 2018 12:18 PM (84F5k)


Imagine all the blacks guys in prison who think they were framed and railroaded by law enforcement sitting in the television room watching democrats defend the FBI and Justice Dept.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 19, 2018 12:23 PM (10vO4)

208 I've always just heard: feather or dot

Posted by: lin-duh at May 19, 2018 12:23 PM (kufk0)

209 I've always just heard: feather or dot

Posted by: lin-duh at May 19, 2018 12:23 PM (kufk0)


Ashram or reservation?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 19, 2018 12:25 PM (gyfiU)

210 142 If a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged, a liberal is a conservative who's been arrested
-- Tom Wolfe
Posted by: Hands at May 19, 2018 12:01 PM (EzdLW)


That's an outstanding quote. We're all familiar with the first part, but the second part is just as important. And even more so as the rule of law breaks down and people are arrested for political offenses.

Posted by: rickl at May 19, 2018 12:25 PM (sdi6R)

211 When I was attempting a career as a Navy pilot back in the 1970s, a Tom Wolfe short story "Jousting with SAM and Charlie" made the rounds of the squadron. No other writer managed to capture the sights, sounds, smells and "feeling" of the art of landing a tactical jet aircraft on a what he described as, best I can recall, a "small, hot, flat, greasy, heaving skillet", a.k.a, an aircraft carrier. Great reading.

Posted by: George V at May 19, 2018 12:26 PM (LUHWu)

212 Sanskrit or Pre-lit?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 19, 2018 12:26 PM (gyfiU)

213 Student Isabelle Laymance, who hid for safety in a closet during the attack, told The Washington Post the alleged gunman seemed uncertain after police made contact.

"'I'll surrender, but I need y'all to talk to me. I can't hear you, I think I've blown my eardrum out. Can y'all get a megaphone? Don't get near me. I'll come out to y'all,'" she said he told police

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F*ck you to any law enforcement who wants to complain about concealed carry holders who dare have the temerity to defend their friends and family in case the cops show up and can't tell who the good guys are in a shootout.

99% of them obviously aren't coming in until the shooting stops anyway, so they can sort it out with the megaphone after I'm done protecting my kids.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 19, 2018 12:26 PM (VgKNm)

214 We must be doing something wrong.

Sharia Law Update: Fox News Gets Woke With Meditation Room, Complete With Prayer Rugs

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 19, 2018 12:26 PM (+y/Ru)

215 I've always just heard: feather or dot


Clovis or Aryan.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 19, 2018 12:26 PM (fuK7c)

216 Others though, I'm like "Come on, people. Some of this stuff happening in the world... can we drop the game playing here?"

Posted by: BurtTC
******************

AoS comments is like recess on the playground.

Posted by: gNewt at May 19, 2018 12:28 PM (8JE5H)

217 Rain dance or Sati?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 19, 2018 12:28 PM (gyfiU)

218 198 Honestly I don't even like to use the term 'liberal' to describe the SJW statists, who are tyrants.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at May 19, 2018 12:16 PM
~~~
re: the use of 'liberal'...
While filling my work thermos with coffee this am, mrs. socalcon was watching that hideous wedding coverage. commentator (British gal) was explaining the title earl of sussex (or some such thing). Mentioned the last (100 years ago) was Liberal--against slavery. (um, I thought that was a conservative position 100 years ago- can't trust those Limeys)

WTHF? Had to sprint to the F-150 before my head exploded. (I'm not permitted to debate the TV set.)

Posted by: socalcon at May 19, 2018 12:29 PM (Roy2Z)

219 Bonfire of the Vanities is a very great book. I read the whole thing in about 3 days because I could not put it down. I couldn't wait to start reading it again after work. Don't bother with the movie. They watered it down and made it PC and the whole appeal of the novel was that it was not PC - it took a merciless look at race relations and the media in contemporary America. I thought of "The Great White Defendant" liberal DA's long to prosecute when Zimmerman was turned into a White Hispanic. 30 years before Ferguson, Wolfe wrote about white reporters transforming sketchy black street thugs into blameless martyrs.

What made Wolfe special was that while he was a part of the upper crust Manhattan world, he had little reverence for it and it he did not have contempt for the rest of America. He left NY to go out into "flyover country" (I think he came up with that one too) to talk to people about cars or NASA or hooking up on college campuses or Atlanta real estate or life in prison or - well, just about anything. And he didn't pretend to be anyone else but Tom Wolfe when he was doing it.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V sez don't you dare walk the damn pitcher at May 19, 2018 12:29 PM (H80UQ)

220 When I need real inspiration: Black Throated Wind.
Loud.

Posted by: Burger Chef at May 19, 2018 12:29 PM (RuIsu)

221 If a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged, a liberal is a conservative who's been arrested if they're low IQ. If intelligent, they're a libertarian. Unless, they're a Pot Libertarian, in which case, they too are low IQ (and have moobs.)

-- Tom Wolfe

Posted by: Hands at May 19, 2018 12:01 PM (EzdLW)

Appended and improved for accuracy.

You're Welcome, Ghost of Tom Wolfe!
Posted by: naturalfake at May 19, 2018 12:04 PM (9q7Dl)


========

That quote made no sense. Liberals enjoy mugging people, using the power of the state, which is part of the reason conservatives choose conservatism. And we all know liberals who ought to be arrested.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 19, 2018 12:30 PM (/qEW2)

222 >>>AoS comments is like recess on the playground.<<<
Our favorite playground game involved a football was called smear the queer. This is worthy of the death penalty in today's world of special snowflakes and buttercups.

Posted by: Fritz at May 19, 2018 12:31 PM (J7XgW)

223 I wonder if Wolfe was buried in his white suit? He never wore anything else so I can't imagine not ... unless someone was playing a final joke on him and did it in bermuda shorts and a Hawaiian shirt.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 19, 2018 12:32 PM (gyfiU)

224 And he didn't pretend to be anyone else but Tom Wolfe when he was doing it.


This came up when we were talking about him on the book of faces.

"Meanwhile here's a neat item via David Frum: Wolfe once explained his dandified wardrobe:

Try to interview hippies or NASCAR fans dressed like one of themselves - they'll instantly sniff you out as a fraud.

Show up dressed like the Man From Mars, and they'll tell you all you wish to know. People love explaining things"

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 19, 2018 12:33 PM (fuK7c)

225 Eat beef or worship beef?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 19, 2018 12:33 PM (+y/Ru)

226 Hunter Thompson was Gonzo.
Both arose out of the same conditions of the 1960s.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 19, 2018 11:40 AM (fuK7c)

Yup....I liked "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" and "Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72".

Still humping the American Dream.

Never trust a cop in a raincoat.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 19, 2018 12:34 PM (EoRCO)

227 TV, remote site in countryside, .22 rifle. Some disassembly required.

FIFY

Posted by: Fox2! at May 19, 2018 12:34 PM (brIR5)

228 What made Wolfe special was that while he was a part of the upper crust Manhattan world, he had little reverence for it and it he did not have contempt for the rest of America....
Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V sez don't you dare walk the damn pitcher at May 19, 2018 12:29 PM (H80UQ)

Sounds like someone we all know. Bigly.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 19, 2018 12:34 PM (7uYFy)

229 207: The democrats have gotten away with falsifying history for like 120 years. I hope that Kanye is defiant enough to keep sharing bits of truth he is finding from Sowell, Walther E Williams etc. and a good segment of his 28 million followers realize some truth now.

It was the DEMs who founded KKK, and LBJ hated your guts and structured the "great society" to keep you in the ghettos with the meager bribes after the R's (who yes many were and are sanctimonious, bigoted, gated neighborhood elitists who want you free from oppression but not in their country clubs) got the Civil Rights Act passed and took away much of the Democrat brute force options.

Posted by: PaleRider, simply irredeemable at May 19, 2018 12:35 PM (84F5k)

230 Eat beef or worship beef?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 19, 2018 12:33 PM (+y/Ru)


Very good. Which begs the question:

Bison or Cow?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 19, 2018 12:35 PM (gyfiU)

231 Never trust a cop in a raincoat.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 19, 2018 12:34 PM (EoRCO)

Or ANYONE in a trench coat. Especially when it's not raining.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 19, 2018 12:35 PM (7uYFy)

232 Of course, it's no problem, dipshit. It's your fucking job. I'm being polite.

A simple "You're welcome." or "My pleasure" is the proper response.
Posted by: naturalfake at May 19, 2018 11:57 AM (9q7Dl)

How about if they respond to "Thank you!" with "It's my fucking job". I prefer the more generic response "Blow me."

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at May 19, 2018 12:36 PM (9BLnV)

233 I've always just heard: feather or dot


Clovis or Aryan.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 19, 2018 12:26 PM (fuK7c)

Firewater or Slurpee?

Posted by: JoeF. at May 19, 2018 12:36 PM (7uYFy)

234 Or ANYONE in a trench coat. Especially when it's not raining.


You never know.

Posted by: Rick Blaine at May 19, 2018 12:37 PM (fuK7c)

235 Gandhi or Geronimo?

Posted by: Hands at May 19, 2018 12:37 PM (EzdLW)

236 Yup....I liked "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" and "Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72".

Still humping the American Dream.

Never trust a cop in a raincoat.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 19, 2018 12:34 PM (EoRCO)


Hunter Thompson was fun to read, but he went totally, ridiculously, insanely leftist in his last couple of decades. He was just a funny leftist who loved guns before that but then he went totally over the top and stopped being funny or witty or anything. He should have taken himself out 20 years earlier than he did.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 19, 2018 12:37 PM (gyfiU)

237 When I was attempting a career as a Navy pilot back in the 1970s, a Tom Wolfe short story "Jousting with SAM and Charlie" made the rounds of the squadron. No other writer managed to capture the sights, sounds, smells and "feeling" of the art of landing a tactical jet aircraft on a what he described as, best I can recall, a "small, hot, flat, greasy, heaving skillet", a.k.a, an aircraft carrier. Great reading.

Posted by: George V
***********************


Of all the nerve, Esquire requires a subscription.

Posted by: gNewt at May 19, 2018 12:37 PM (8JE5H)

238 >>>AoS comments is like recess on the playground.


Our favorite playground game involved a football was called smear the queer. This is worthy of the death penalty in today's world of special snowflakes and buttercups.
Posted by: Fritz at May 19, 2018 12:31 PM (J7XgW)


Oh, that takes me back. We had a form of murderball game we played, which was amazingly fun, because it had rules, but there was always a point at which the decision got made by ONE guy, to suspend the rules, and everyone complied! Like it was a rule.

Anyhoo, we had a young attractive teacher, who very seriously one day, had us in the classroom, telling us when we were out there playing this game, we looked like a bunch of gay homosexuals.

Honestly, it was the funniest thing I had encountered, up to that point in my life. We were in 8th grade, and she was the person who introduced us to the concept of camel toe and upskirts. All the 8th grade girls hated her intensely, because none of the boys paid any attention to them, when she was around. But there she was, calling us queers. If she only knew... I don't think we understood the word "irony" at that point in our lives... had she been a better teacher, perhaps we would have. But man oh man, was it a sweet and funny thing, to have her sincerely questioning our collective heterosexuality. Because we were damn near killing each other on the playground.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 19, 2018 12:39 PM (cY3LT)

239 Hunter Thompson was fun to read, but he went totally, ridiculously, insanely leftist in his last couple of decades. He was just a funny leftist who loved guns before that but then he went totally over the top and stopped being funny or witty or anything. He should have taken himself out 20 years earlier than he did.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 19, 2018 12:37 PM (gyfiU)

Ether binges....they get to you after a while.

Posted by: BignJames at May 19, 2018 12:39 PM (0+nbW)

240 Hunter Thompson was fun to read, but he went totally, ridiculously, insanely leftist in his last couple of decades. He was just a funny leftist who loved guns before that but then he went totally over the top and stopped being funny or witty or anything. He should have taken himself out 20 years earlier than he did.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 19, 2018 12:37 PM (gyfiU)

Not an exact comparison, but comedian George Carlin was a little like that too. He was always a lefty, but he skewered liberals and their institutions as much as he skewered anyone. But he got angry and bitter and less funny towards the end too.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 19, 2018 12:40 PM (7uYFy)

241 6 Does anyone have a suggestion for the best Veteran charity I can donate to

Posted by: lousagirl

I'll need campaign funds soon enough.

Posted by: Dick Blumenthal at May 19, 2018 12:40 PM (IeDO8)

242 There's a scene in Wolfe's novel "A Man in Full" that has stayed with me: Conrad, the young hero of the book has escaped from prison after being wrongly imprisoned. I can't remember how exactly he gets involved with a elderly college professor and his wife as a helper/companion sort but he does. Connie then finds out that the couple, whose urban neighborhood has definitely decayed, are paying street thugs protection money. When they come to collect, Connie, who has done a lot of physical labor and picked up street smarts in prison, threatens them with a broken bottle and drives them off.

Throughout the novel, Connie's masculinity is feared and despised by other characters but when the shit hits the fan in that scene, the intellectual professor is helpless and scared shitless and it's the guy with the "toxic masculinity" who can successfully drive the jackals away.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V sez don't you dare walk the damn pitcher at May 19, 2018 12:42 PM (H80UQ)

243
When I was attempting a career as a Navy pilot back in the 1970s, a Tom Wolfe short story "Jousting with SAM and Charlie" made the rounds of the squadron. No other writer managed to capture the sights, sounds, smells and "feeling" of the art of landing a tactical jet aircraft on a what he described as, best I can recall, a "small, hot, flat, greasy, heaving skillet", a.k.a, an aircraft carrier. Great reading.
Posted by: George V at May 19, 2018 12:26 PM



"Jousting with SAM and Charlie" is really good. You can see Wolfe just beginning his curiosity about what made someone not just want to be a Navy pilot, but to almost crave the danger. Which eventually led to him coining the term "The Right Stuff" and writing a novel about it.

Posted by: Hands at May 19, 2018 12:43 PM (EzdLW)

244 Senator Chris Murphy brings teh stupid:

Chris Murphy
@ChrisMurphyCT
I support the real 2nd Amendment, not the imaginary 2nd Amendment.

And the real #2A isn't absolute. It allows Congress to wake up to reality and ban these assault rifles that are designed for one purpose only - to kill as many people as fast as possible.

-
If only we'd confiscated all AR-15 after the Parkland school shooting, Santa Fe would never have happened.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 19, 2018 12:43 PM (+y/Ru)

245 He should have taken himself out 20 years earlier than he did.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 19, 2018 12:37 PM (gyfiU)

Yup....he was crazy as a shit house rat. Fun, yes, but absolutely nuts.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 19, 2018 12:43 PM (EoRCO)

246 Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 19, 2018 12:34 PM (EoRCO)

Hunter Thompson was fun to read, but he went totally, ridiculously, insanely leftist in his last couple of decades. He was just a funny leftist who loved guns before that but then he went totally over the top and stopped being funny or witty or anything. He should have taken himself out 20 years earlier than he did.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 19, 2018 12:37 PM (gyfiU)


I was very sad when I heard he killed himself.

Because, by that time in his life, it made absolute perfect sense that he should do so. In the particularly gruesome way he did.

A sad, angry, lonely, and ultimately pointless man. Who had a genius for writing.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 19, 2018 12:45 PM (cY3LT)

247 218
Mentioned the last (100 years ago) was Liberal--against slavery. (um, I thought that was a conservative position 100 years ago- can't trust those Limeys)
Posted by: socalcon at May 19, 2018 12:29 PM (Roy2Z)


In 19th Century England , a liberal was one who supported radical notions of individual liberty and economic liberty, aka free market capitalism. (Hence the modern term "classical liberal".) A conservative was one who supported the traditional privileges of the hereditary nobility and the landed aristocracy.

Today's left-wing Democrats and speech police are thoroughly totalitarian and tyrannical, and there isn't the slightest thing "liberal" about them. In modern-day America, "conservatives" want to conserve the Constitution form of government. But the Western media often uses "conservative" to describe fanatical Muslims who demand strict obedience to the dictates of the Koran.

The "gender fluid" terminology has nothing on the fluidity of the words "liberal" and "conservative" over time and across cultures.



Posted by: rickl at May 19, 2018 12:45 PM (sdi6R)

248 Which eventually led to him coining the term "The Right Stuff" and writing a novel about it.

Posted by: Hands at May 19, 2018 12:43 PM (EzdLW)


Wolfe used the phrase "the right stuff" to good effect but he certainly didn't create it.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 19, 2018 12:45 PM (gyfiU)

249 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 19, 2018 12:37 PM (gyfiU)

Not an exact comparison, but comedian George Carlin was a little like that too. He was always a lefty, but he skewered liberals and their institutions as much as he skewered anyone. But he got angry and bitter and less funny towards the end too.
Posted by: JoeF. at May 19, 2018 12:40 PM (7uYFy)


I was thinking the same thing. An apt comparison, I believe.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 19, 2018 12:46 PM (cY3LT)

250 40

That moment when you realize that you just opened a can of black olives and not black beans to put in your pot of chili......oh well, into the pot you go....*


*eyes carrots in fridge


0_0 NO. Just NO. NO Carrots in chili.

Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin (thought leader)

Put in extra figs and beets to offset the bitterness of the olives.

Posted by: Dick Blumenthal at May 19, 2018 12:47 PM (IeDO8)

251 Curry or Coup?

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 19, 2018 12:48 PM (QLvwG)

252 Thugs or Braves?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 19, 2018 12:48 PM (gyfiU)

253 Tom Wolfe was my gateway drug to conservatism. I was 14 in 1968 and spent the next 10 years as a '60s radical wannabe. Then I happened on to an old paperback of Radical Chic. I quickly followed that up with Mau-Mauing the Flak Catchers. They made me question my assumptions. I mainlined his other books as fast as I could. In 1980 Ronald Reagan happened and my conversion was complete.

Posted by: Grannysaurus Rex at May 19, 2018 12:49 PM (90LWK)

254 I'm pretty certain the real 2nd Amendment says I can have an A10 and assorted ammunition if I can afford it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 19, 2018 12:50 PM (VgKNm)

255 >>>But I think my favorite was this pious 'colorblind' person and she has a biracial granddaughter so she does live it, not just preaches it

If she were really "living it" wouldn't she have a biracial daughter? Can't really do anything about your granddaughter. And if she were colorblind, how would she even know that her granddaughter was biracial?

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 19, 2018 12:51 PM (/qEW2)

256 Check out the debate in the sidebar. Of course that was a one sided intellect for Peterson and Frye.
Posted by: bananaDream at May 19, 2018 11:49 AM (yRBj9)

========

Frye is on the *conservative* side? That's weird.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 19, 2018 12:10 PM (/qEW2)



I don't know which side of the aisle he's on politically but I've heard him say how much against he is of the PC mindset that is taking over. You can't say this or everything is offensive. (bahhh)

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 19, 2018 12:52 PM (SiINZ)

257 We're operating under the "abortion is mentioned in the Constitution" standard these days, so I'm going to assume the modern 2nd is exactly what these heavily protected individuals desire.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 19, 2018 12:52 PM (VgKNm)

258 I'm pretty certain the real 2nd Amendment says I can have an A10 and assorted ammunition if I can afford it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 19, 2018 12:50 PM (VgKNm)


Sure, but the FAA will never give you clearance to take off.

So you need to get your own aircraft carrier, too.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 19, 2018 12:52 PM (gyfiU)

259 Gardening Thread is up. Or you can hang around here if you want.

Posted by: KTbarthedoor at May 19, 2018 12:53 PM (BVQ+1)

260 In modern-day America, "conservatives" want to conserve the Constitutional form of government.

Except for professional "conservatives" like Bill Kristol, George Will, and Max Boot, who mainly want to conserve their invitations to parties, magazine subscriptions, and sales of cruise tickets.

Posted by: rickl at May 19, 2018 12:53 PM (sdi6R)

261 104 Dontcha just hate people that use "reaching out" to say call, or write, or contact?
-----------

I always want to ask, "Okay, by 'reach out', what do you mean?"
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 19, 2018 11:48 AM (c/EDo)


"You're mistaken. I'm not one of the Four Tops."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2018 12:54 PM (jScj0)

262 Dontcha just hate people that use "reaching out" to say call, or write, or contact?

I have no problem with "reach out" but if it annoys you then blame AT+T's ad agency.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 19, 2018 12:56 PM (gyfiU)

263 Wolfe's term for wealthy and extremely thin Manhattan ladies: social X-rays.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V sez don't you dare walk the damn pitcher at May 19, 2018 12:57 PM (H80UQ)

264 http://bit.ly/2LfZ47p
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Nolte: New York Times' Maggie Haberman Blames Trump for Media's 'Animal' Fake News

Posted by: Schneider's Brown Slave at May 19, 2018 12:59 PM (y3aQB)

265 https://nyti.ms/2L9LcM9
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REAGAN AIDES DESCRIBE OPERATION TO GATHER INSIDE DATA ON CARTER - The New York Times
+++++
Deep State Turd Stefan Halper back then

Posted by: Schneider's Brown Slave at May 19, 2018 01:01 PM (y3aQB)

266 Nolte: New York Times' Maggie Haberman Blames Trump for Media's 'Animal' Fake News

Posted by: Schneider's Brown Slave at May 19, 2018 12:59 PM (y3aQB)


He made them lie about him?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 19, 2018 01:03 PM (SiINZ)

267
I'm pretty certain the real 2nd Amendment says I can have an A10 and assorted ammunition if I can afford it.



Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 19, 2018 12:50 PM (VgKNm)



Sure, but the FAA will never give you clearance to take off.



So you need to get your own aircraft carrier, too.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 19, 2018 12:52 PM (gyfiU)

There's a sweet one at the pier down in Corpus Christi. And a companion battlewagon up the coast. The latter needs some work though to stay afloat.

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 19, 2018 01:07 PM (QLvwG)

268
I'm pretty certain the real 2nd Amendment says I can have an A10 and assorted ammunition if I can afford it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 19, 2018 12:50 PM (VgKNm)


After all an A-10 is just a personal aircraft that comes with a factory equip open carry permit

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 19, 2018 01:08 PM (10vO4)

269 "It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so fucking what."
Posted by: hogmartin at May 19, 2018 12:13 PM (y87Qq)


That's certainly true - leftists trying to shut down discussion by injecting their feelings rather than arguing the other side is wrong. He was good in Blackadder, nice to see he's got his head screwed on right on this.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 19, 2018 01:11 PM (/qEW2)

270 Breaking News: Tom Wolfe, gateway drug to conservationism!

H/T: Grannysaurus Rex
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I'm pretty certain the real 2nd Amendment says I can have an A10 and assorted ammunition if I can afford it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie
----------------------------

Only if you can pick it up and walk away with it.

Posted by: gNewt at May 19, 2018 01:30 PM (zdltJ)

271 Dot or Feather - the plot so far

...an Indian lady...

Dot or woo-woo?

Call center or casino?

Tomahawk or Tech Support?

Taj Mahal or Mounds?

Buffalo or Brahman?

Pemmican or pakora?

Turquoise or Diamond?

Ashram or reservation?

Sanskrit or Pre-lit?

Clovis or Aryan

Eat beef or worship beef?

Bison or Cow?

Firewater or Slurpee?

Gandhi or Geronimo?

Curry or Coup?

Thugs or Braves?

____________
Sorry if I missed any and for no credits to the wits.

Posted by: mindful webworker - archivally at May 19, 2018 01:47 PM (YdSkn)

272 mindful webworker - archivally

Tis a good list. Thank you.


The last item should be Thuggee or Braves, IMHO

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 19, 2018 01:54 PM (hyuyC)

273 And who say "absolutely" for just yes.



Indeed.

Posted by: Teal'c at May 19, 2018 01:56 PM (yQpMk)

274 And who say "absolutely" for just yes.

What?

Posted by: Guy who always says "what?" at May 19, 2018 02:01 PM (BsGS1)

275 Who are those New York twats on the magazine cover?

Posted by: Comanche Voter at May 19, 2018 02:04 PM (Sda6L)

276 I don't think the Founders owned A-10's and we all know the 2A limits us to owning weapons only available when the Founders still lived.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Vigilance Committee supporter at May 19, 2018 02:12 PM (rBnYq)

277 I don't think the Founders owned A-10's and we all know the 2A limits us to owning weapons only available when the Founders still lived.


So, cannon.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 19, 2018 02:13 PM (yQpMk)

278 While driving around doing my errands I heard "Prayer In Open D", a song Emmylou Harris wrote and someone called Patty Griffin sang. Fantastic song.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y8qdnx8l

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Vigilance Committee supporter at May 19, 2018 02:15 PM (rBnYq)

279 Anyone have an extra $500k for a cup of coffee?

Posted by: Glenn Beck! at May 19, 2018 02:16 PM (r9UYA)

280 I'm not going to lie, I'd love to own a cannon. And a Gatling Gun for my car would be a good feature. When some nut starts clogging up the left lane (and we get a lot of South Asians and Chinese drivers who apparently are taught that is the slow lane) , I think a gun like that would be very useful.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Vigilance Committee supporter at May 19, 2018 02:17 PM (rBnYq)

281 I'm still stuck on incredulous, because someone said earlier that the chick who married Prince Harry spent $430,000 on her wedding dress. Gee whiz.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Vigilance Committee supporter at May 19, 2018 02:19 PM (rBnYq)

282 Who are those New York twats on the magazine cover?
Posted by: Comanche Voter at May 19, 2018 02:04 PM (Sda6L)

That's the cover of the June, 8th 1970 issue of New York magazine in which Tom Wolfe's essay "Radical Chic" originally appeared. I'm not sure who those women on the cover are but they are raising their fist in a black power salute--wearing black gloves.

The article was about a party Leonard Bernstein and his wife/beard held in their Park Avenue apartment for the Black Panthers.

Tom Wolfe rightfully skewered these pompous liberals.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 19, 2018 02:21 PM (7uYFy)

283 Naan or frybread?

Posted by: DaveA at May 19, 2018 02:25 PM (FhXTo)

284 Weasel, you in the house?

Posted by: RI Red at May 19, 2018 02:26 PM (l3msd)

285
A: Fried green tomatoes.


Q: What do you call those hags on the cover when they stand naked over a mirror?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at May 19, 2018 02:27 PM (WtQOO)

286 Comment

Posted by: tbodie at May 19, 2018 02:52 PM (Ak/GS)

287 Looks loke The Horde is out doing Saturday stuff

Posted by: tbodie at May 19, 2018 02:53 PM (Ak/GS)

288 watching Dr No on tv

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at May 19, 2018 02:57 PM (hMwEB)

289 Jack Lord is so handsome
I understand my mom's crush on him LOL

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at May 19, 2018 02:58 PM (hMwEB)

290 I've just started watching the debate in the right sidebar.

Michelle Goldberg is definitely a 1.

OK, back to the debate.

Posted by: rickl at May 19, 2018 02:59 PM (sdi6R)

291 pet nood

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at May 19, 2018 03:03 PM (hMwEB)

292
Who are those New York twats on the magazine cover?
Posted by: Comanche Voter at May 19, 2018 02:04 PM (Sda6L)


I believe the woman on the left is Felicia Montealegre. wife of Leonard Bernstein.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 19, 2018 03:03 PM (10vO4)

293 Michael Dyson is a nasty racist.

Posted by: rickl at May 19, 2018 03:21 PM (sdi6R)

294 Michael Dyson is a thoroughly repugnant, dishonest Marxist. He exemplifies the evil in today's academia.

Posted by: rickl at May 19, 2018 03:49 PM (sdi6R)

295 Dyson, his vacuum cleaners are expensive.

Posted by: gNewt at May 19, 2018 04:11 PM (Bk0n1)

296 Michael Dyson is a thoroughly repugnant, dishonest Marxist. He exemplifies the evil in today's academia.


I liked him on ST:NG.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 19, 2018 04:37 PM (yQpMk)

297 Looks loke The Horde is out doing Saturday stuff

I just broke a 3 year old orange tree. I thought I had just enough room to drop a small oak and I missed my spot by about 20 inches and landed on the Satsuma. I was just going to cut it off and see if it had enough life to sprout all new branches from the stump but Mrs928 insisted on splinting it back to see if it will mend.

I don't have high hopes for that.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 19, 2018 04:42 PM (yQpMk)

298 http://bit.ly/2IBgx8C
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Consensus' Reached to Slash $370 Billion U.S. Trade Deficit with China | Breitbart

Posted by: Schneider's Brown Slave at May 19, 2018 05:13 PM (y3aQB)

299 There's a sweet one at the pier down in Corpus Christi. And a companion battlewagon up the coast. The latter needs some work though to stay afloat.
Posted by: Count de Monet at May 19, 2018 01:07 PM (QLvwG)

I suspect Lady Lex needs some major engine work. Didn't one of her turbines seize up?

Posted by: Fox2! at May 19, 2018 05:14 PM (Fbs6W)

300 299
I suspect Lady Lex needs some major engine work. Didn't one of her turbines seize up?
Posted by: Fox2! at May 19, 2018 05:14 PM (Fbs6W)


Lady Lex (CV-2) rests in peace at the bottom of the Pacific. I don't think CV-16 was ever called that. Her nickname was "The Blue Ghost".

Posted by: rickl at May 19, 2018 05:48 PM (sdi6R)

301 Tom Wolfe was a great writer.
bye, Tom.
Thanks.

Posted by: rusty shacklefjord at May 19, 2018 07:38 PM (v8mM1)

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