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"Mass Firing" at Red State as Salem Says They Can No Longer Support the Current Roster of Editors and Writers

Apparently the firings were done according to two criteria: Cost of contract and support for Trump.

People whose contracts were expensive were almost all fired. People whose contracts were less expensive were either kept or fired depending on how pro- or anti-Trump they were.

But I don't think it's actually about partisanship or Trump support per se. It's about actual readers and revenue. If the blog were attracting more readers, that would have proved there was a constituency for its position in the conservative movement, and I imagine Salem would have kept them going as-is.

Some time ago I faced the choice of doing an anti-Trump-but-pro-conservative blog, or getting on board with Trump. (The latter turned out to be easier than I thought, as the idea of President Hillary Clinton got my partisan dander up.)

But when I was contemplating the idea of a blog that was allegedly pro-conservative while simultaneously being against the key player (flaws and all) of the actual on-the-ground real-world conservative movement, I realized: This makes no sense.

What's the audience for that? How many readers would that attract? How narrow a window would I have to shoot for, simultaneously opposing the president and the putative leader of the conservative movement while also allegedly being a bright red TruCon gung-ho for conservative political victories?

Wouldn't any conservative political victory redound to Trump's benefit? And wouldn't my opposition to Trump mean that I would not welcome such victories?

How can you have, say, a New York Giants blog where you claim to want the Giants to win each game but want the quarterback Eli Manning to lose every game, because you think he's "unfit to lead the Giants" and you want them to get a better quarterback to do better in later seasons?

It's fine to want the quarterback replaced, and it's understandable that someone might say "I'll take a losing season to set up winning seasons later."

But you can't also be rooting for the Giants at the same time you're rooting against them.

There's nothing wrong, really, with rooting against them so they realize their error in keeping Eli at the helm. People do this. I did this any time their season was so crappy they wouldn't make the playoffs-- might as well then lose ALL THE GAMES.

But the proprietor of such a Pro-Giants-But-Anti-Eli blog must understand, and must admit, that until Eli has departed, the blog would actually be an anti-Giants blog, until they have a quarterback the blog deems fit to lead.

Yes, you can say you're pro-Giants -- but your actual tangible day-to-day hoped-for outcome is losses as far as the eye can see.

Sure, you can say "But on a deeper, more important level, I really want them to win."

Yeah, but in some hypothetical future. As a current-day present-time matter, you want them to lose.

What exactly is the market for a New York Giants football blog dedicated to promoting at least four years of Giants losses until Eli's contract runs out in 2020?

How many readers would such a blog have?

Probably not a lot.

Leftists often say they really support the America that can be in the future, while being pretty opposed to the actual America that exists in the here and now.

And a lot of people disagree with liberals that that constitutes "supporting America." A lot of people think that supporting America involves, as a necessity, supporting America.

A long time ago I watched an interesting Twitter back-and-forth between John Sexton and Ben Domenech on an abortion-law strategy.

Sexton pointed out that Europe (most countries, anyway) permits abortion, but only until the eighteenth or twentieth week. He proposed that as a solution to the American debate (at least -- as a temporary, interim solution until there was more support for a true ban).

Ben Domenech made the point that there was no constituency for such a (pardon) split the baby down the middle approach.

There was a constituency for making abortion illegal, and there was a constituency for keeping abortion legal until the moment of crowning (and sometimes a few minutes after that), but there was no actual constituency that would support Sexton's policy proposal.

Sexton's policy proposal might look good on paper -- again, even if it's just a waypoint towards a true pro-life position -- but the practical reality was that there was no actual constituency for it. No audience for it. No political market for it.

The discussion was interesting because both men were, it seemed to me, right. Sexton was right that, at least as far as a policy, his 20-week-limit compromise had been proven workable and even popular in other countries, and would appease most pro-choicers (who are not nearly as absolutist as NARAL and Planned Parenthood) while delivering a modest waypoint victory to pro-lifers.

But Domenech is/was almost certainly right that as good as that may look on paper, and as interesting as that might make for an Atlantic think-piece (back when The Atlantic permitted heterodox opinions on abortion), there was just no political support for it, either currently or in the imaginable mid-term future.

I'm not saying anyone on the NeverTrump side of things is to blame, or should have predicted this (though, you know, some did predict it), but sometimes you can come up with a plan that makes sense to you and even makes sense on paper but just cannot result in any kind of viable movement or business model.

Add into this the fact that most blog commentary involves very attitudinal snark and denigration of one's political opponents. It doesn't have to involve that, but the practical reality is: It almost always involves that.

So then you've got a bunch of alleged TruCons who are being very snarky, denigrating, condescending, and antagonistic to those conservatives holding to the idea that one should support, you know, day-to-day conservative maneuverings and hope for victories.

And now what's the audience down to? You can either write in such a careful and emotionless way that you aren't read as snarking at your intraparty rivals -- but that would probably result in a dry and overly-milquetoast blog, with few readers.

Or you can write the blog in the typical (lazy) way of just busting chops and slinging #HotTake zingers at your intraparty rivals -- thus driving them away. (That happened here at this blog, too, as long time readers, on the NeverTrump side of things, felt insulted and denigrated by my own cheap zingers. I wish I could get some of them back -- I miss a lot of them.)

Again, in that case too: Audience dwindles. And given that Trump has the support of something like 85% of the GOP, there's not a lot of audience a pro-conservative-but-anti-Trump blog can afford to alienate.

The old expression for this "a feathered fish" -- a feathered fish can't fly, and the feathers weight it down so that it also can't swim. It's a blend of two inconsistent things that results in a non-viable hybrid for which there is little audience.

Eh. I think (and long thought) this business model was non-viable but I don't wish any ill on the fired people and I hope they can find jobs somewhere.

But I still think that, on strictly practical terms, they really have to decide if they're birds or fish if they want to get anywhere.

Note: This is why I keep predicting that various NeverTrumpers will undergo political reassignment surgery to become Atlantic writers. Or will try to. I think some of them understand that in politics, you do need to be mostly one thing or the other, and some are opting to transition to becoming soft Democrats or conservative Democrats. Or moderates.

Anything that will make them potential hires by non-conservative outlets.

I think a lot of them have begun to understand this dilemma, and are taking some steps towards a "soft reboot" of their political beliefs to be more palatable to liberals. The "Libertarian" half-step will appeal to many.

I see some of the more prominent NeverTrumpers sounding CNN-friendly notes, as one example of this.

Another possibility for someone caught in this trap -- and I mention this because I thought about it a lot, myself -- is transitioning to being a writer who writes mostly about some other specialty and only occasionally about politics. Personally, the idea of this appealed to me, but it failed in practical reality because I don't know much about anything. But other writers have areas besides politics they do know well or are at least interested in, and could remake themselves into writers about those things who also have some political opinions too.


Posted by: Ace of Spades at 02:27 PM




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1 hee hee

Posted by: CN at April 27, 2018 02:20 PM (5gaNQ)

2 nd

Posted by: Alskari at April 27, 2018 02:21 PM (tdVTp)

3 Stunning.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - not woke much at April 27, 2018 02:21 PM (roQNm)

4
I haz sadz.

My sad face.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 27, 2018 02:21 PM (BWL+E)

5 ace, remember when HA got purchased and you joked that you were open to a buy out offer?

Probably a good thing that that never happened.

First they would have forced you to be #NeverTrump, then they would have fired you!

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 27, 2018 02:22 PM (F5+ro)

6 corgis called

Posted by: CN at April 27, 2018 02:22 PM (5gaNQ)

7 Good enough

Posted by: MAC SOG and nothing will happen at April 27, 2018 02:22 PM (czkHE)

8 In other words the Never Trumpers weren't drawing any views to the site.

Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2018 02:22 PM (cAnNx)

9
The corgis, they have been called.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 27, 2018 02:23 PM (BWL+E)

10 Red State was early on the "Fire Derbyshire" bandwagon. The needle on my Give-an-F-ometer fails to budge on this one.

Posted by: OCBill at April 27, 2018 02:23 PM (df+Zi)

11 That is a long post.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 27, 2018 02:23 PM (Jd44p)

12 Speaking of firing, why did Ryan REALLY fire the chaplain?

Posted by: Jewells45 at April 27, 2018 02:23 PM (zRZaJ)

13 We live in very interesting times.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at April 27, 2018 02:23 PM (3dsTO)

14 DeadState followed the patented LGF and Tepid Err business models....

go 180 degrees from the intensity of your readership, purge your commentariat and REAP the rewards.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 27, 2018 02:24 PM (SzZnW)

15 There is nothing wrong with rooting against the Giants at any time.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 27, 2018 02:24 PM (QQ+il)

16
Continuing from the last thread:

Any pile of junk Fen's son gets needs Ben Hur hubs.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 27, 2018 02:24 PM (BWL+E)

17 Well reasoned and laid out piece, as usual from Ace.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at April 27, 2018 02:25 PM (Tgext)

18 Corporate masters give #NeverTrump disasters.

I hear The Atlantic is hiring though.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 27, 2018 02:25 PM (0ogQG)

19 5 Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 27, 2018 02:22 PM (F5+ro)

Ewoks don't swim, part of being on the SS Salem is the cruises....

Posted by: sven10077 at April 27, 2018 02:25 PM (SzZnW)

20 Zod considered hosting a pro-Cleveland-Browns blog with a pro-victory slant.

Feathered fish.

Posted by: Zod at April 27, 2018 02:25 PM (Bdeb0)

21 So, I guess the movie sucked.

Also, I ALWAYS root against the Giants, not to mention the Bears and the ViQueens, and naturally the Cowboys.

So I guess I'm not a never-Trump hypocrite.

Huh.

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 27, 2018 02:25 PM (7UW64)

22 Continued:

Well, yes, that is true of all Determined Nihilists. I think that is the term you used.
Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 27, 2018 02:14 PM (Jd44p)

Deterministic nihilist.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 27, 2018 02:26 PM (NWiLs)

23 Reap Me.

Posted by: The Whirlwind at April 27, 2018 02:26 PM (QQ+il)

24 Don't forget the trolls.
Trolls can really get things fired up, and ignite the passion that fuels the chatter that gets your blog noticed.

Then you can start doing media interviews which drive ratings and expand your audience.

Look at how well the Parkland Survivors group is doing.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - not woke much at April 27, 2018 02:26 PM (roQNm)

25 Ace, I think your example of being a Giants fan but wanting Eli Manning to lose is the perfect way to explain the view of Democrats and lefties.

Posted by: vivi at April 27, 2018 02:26 PM (11H2y)

26
I hear The Atlantic is hiring though.

Posted by: GnuBreed


"Welcome aboard! You're fired."

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 27, 2018 02:26 PM (BWL+E)

27 er, also, ace, are you saying that your opinions on this blog are contrived to maximize your readership and ad revenue?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 27, 2018 02:26 PM (F5+ro)

28 Looks like a certain somebody discovered that being a cocksucker is vastly overrated.

Posted by: Martha at April 27, 2018 02:26 PM (Ymy4N)

29 Ewoks don't swim, part of being on the SS Salem is the cruises....


Posted by: sven10077 at April 27, 2018 02:25 PM (SzZnW)


Swim? Hell, they don't even bathe. Can smell 'em from a mile away.

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 27, 2018 02:26 PM (7UW64)

30 I expect a certain douchebag to show up near the end of this thread and spend the weekend commenting here.

Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2018 02:26 PM (cAnNx)

31 Holy shit AMC shrank the seats! Infinity War not so infinite.

Posted by: Max Power at April 27, 2018 02:26 PM (8ArrO)

32 I used to follow RedState but left when it decided that anti-Trump was more important than the nation and the people who live in it.

Posted by: Joelist at April 27, 2018 02:27 PM (GSzj1)

33 I've been recruiting new watchers of this site.

I've also been promoting Owen Benjamin's and Eric Nimmer's comedy.

A hearty "welcome" to all "The Bears" that can nestle-in and call this place "Home".

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 27, 2018 02:27 PM (Ckg4U)

34 28 Looks like a certain somebody discovered that being a cocksucker is vastly overrated.

Posted by: Martha at April 27, 2018 02:26 PM (Ymy4N)


Depends on the context, I guess. My husband has no problem with the fact that I am one...from time to time...

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 27, 2018 02:27 PM (7UW64)

35 24 Posted by: Skandia Recluse - not woke much at April 27, 2018 02:26 PM (roQNm)

so the secret to blog success is to emulate youtube and Parkland....

eh I'll settle for comfortably mediocre then.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 27, 2018 02:27 PM (SzZnW)

36 30 I expect a certain douchebag to show up near the end of this thread and spend the weekend commenting here.
Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2018 02:26 PM (cAnNx)

Hey, no need to talk about me that way.

Besides, I'm already here.

#startingtheweekendearly

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 27, 2018 02:27 PM (F5+ro)

37 I am not an expert as I have never read redstate; not deliberately.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - not woke much at April 27, 2018 02:28 PM (roQNm)

38 Now would be a good time to hire a coffee boy.

Posted by: Fritz at April 27, 2018 02:28 PM (2Mnv1)

39 >So then you've got a bunch of alleged TruCons who are being very snarky, denigrating, condescending, and antagonistic to those conservatives holding to the idea that one should support, you know, day-to-day conservative maneuverings and hope for victories.


The market for lefty hive-mind thing is saturated.

The market for right tilting opinion and news is less saturated and there is room for diversity of opinion.

The market for right tilting opinion and news, where the business plan is to shit on the bulk of your potential readership is, not surprisingly, nonsustainingly small and way over-saturated.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at April 27, 2018 02:28 PM (Dp6qK)

40
Haven't ventured near RedState in years. Probably two, maybe three. What they were peddling didn't interest me.

I need politics, obscenities, limericks, pron references, gainzz, and a good laugh. Not necessarily in that order.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at April 27, 2018 02:28 PM (LOgQ4)

41 So "in the red" state is gone, huh ??

Posted by: Martha at April 27, 2018 02:28 PM (Ymy4N)

42 32 Posted by: Joelist at April 27, 2018 02:27 PM (GSzj1)

Double Wide Double E is 100% Chamber of Commerce CoC sucker certified.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 27, 2018 02:28 PM (SzZnW)

43 The NeverTrumpers wanted a purge after Trump won.

Well. They're getting one.

Good and hard.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at April 27, 2018 02:28 PM (dEQP3)

44 Drama.

Meh.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at April 27, 2018 02:28 PM (ATVNj)

45 There is a movie about the NYC Giants?

Posted by: Paladin at April 27, 2018 02:28 PM (JNKLN)

46 I don't read RedState. However, given what I know of NeverTrumpers, they're condescending, monomaniacal, one-note Johnnies whose motivation is pure, seething hatred with a dash of contempt. If the RS writers were anything like that, of course they were fired because who the hell wants to read that shit other than other NeverTrumpers?

Posted by: Insomniac at April 27, 2018 02:29 PM (NWiLs)

47 *static*

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 27, 2018 02:29 PM (Ckg4U)

48 You stop and read the text and end up in the 30s.

Yoy.

Posted by: Decaf at April 27, 2018 02:29 PM (/3+Sg)

49 Well, yes, that is true of all Determined Nihilists. I think that is the term you used.
Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 27, 2018 02:14 PM (Jd44p)

Deterministic nihilist.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 27, 2018 02:26 PM (NWiLs)

Dammit. I typed Deterministic first. "Always go with your first instinct" rings true here.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 27, 2018 02:29 PM (Jd44p)

50 Feathered fish, eh? I like it.

>>What exactly is the market for a New York Giants football blog dedicated to promoting at least four years of Giants losses until Eli's contract runs out in 2020?

And gleefully celebrating in the face of Giants fans every time there is an interception or the quarterback is sacked.

"But Gorsuch!"
*Giggles, then tweets snark about tater tots like a boss*

Posted by: Lizzy at April 27, 2018 02:29 PM (W+vEI)

51 45 There is a movie about the NYC Giants?
Posted by: Paladin at April 27, 2018 02:28 PM (JNKLN)

spoiler alert:

They actually play in NJ

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 27, 2018 02:29 PM (F5+ro)

52 Wouldn't any conservative political victory redound to Trump's benefit? And wouldn't my opposition to Trump mean that I would not welcome such victories?

Ace I appreciate this blog in particular for thinking this through and not just digging it's heels in because of the (understandable) grudges created during the 2016 primary season.

Posted by: Alskari at April 27, 2018 02:29 PM (tdVTp)

53
Great joke....

https://www.instagram.com/p/BiFTMfTDJeE/

Posted by: EVERYONE! at April 27, 2018 02:29 PM (+Ty8m)

54 "Eh. I think (and long thought) this business model was non-viable but I
don't wish any ill on the fired people and I hope they can find jobs
somewhere."

That's nice of you, Ace. But I extend all the ill will I can muster for Susan Wright. Eff that scrunt. If she's not among the fired, it was all for naught.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 27, 2018 02:29 PM (toi7g)

55
The NeverTrumpers wanted a purge after Trump won.

Well. They're getting one.

Good and hard.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around


The fuming sulfuric acid enema.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 27, 2018 02:29 PM (BWL+E)

56 I applaud your kindness in wishing the fired NeverTrumpers well and hope that they find gainful employment. Me... not so much. I used to be, come let us reason together, until I reasoned that we're in a deathmatch for our nation and the NeverTrumpers are part of Team Enemy. Fuck them all. I hope they end up sitting in a Starbucks masturbating and demanding free lattes.

Posted by: Robert Jenks at April 27, 2018 02:30 PM (VbLoi)

57 I note that beyond distaste at Trump's particular style, many of his critics during the primaries complained that Trump did not have conservative ideology (some still make this complaint.) Trump is delivering on conservative desires. To me an ideology without an action component is political masturbation. Can action substitute for an ideology? I'll leave that one to someone else.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Tater is the Latest Gender at the Outrage Outlet! at April 27, 2018 02:30 PM (hLRSq)

58 I'm glad Ace liked Infinity War.

The biggest thing about the NeverTrump movement from y perspective:

1) I have no doubt that many principled people bought into the argument that Trump would be a lever for conservatism and force it further to the left. There was fairly standard CW at the time that he was personally liberal and would therefore drift the party as it kept up with him.

2) The part that really galls me (and no doubt others) is when the NeverTrumpers became a movement, at the same time they were decrying Trump (who actually was crossing things off the conservative wish list) they were espousing ACTUAL liberal talking points and ideas.

I have said many times that the most valuable thing about Trump is that he has gotten people to remove the masks willingly. I am not talking about the Media or Dems here- we always knew they were the enemy. I am talking about the quislings in our own ranks. It is hard to fight when the guy next to you, in his heart of hearts, just has his eye on your wallet and not on protecting your back.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 27, 2018 02:30 PM (ycWCI)

59 I kinda think your analogy is wrong with this. I am a pretty right leaning fellow....there are some things Trump has done I really like and there are things he has done that I don't like...and in fact think he should be impeached....his attack on Syria, just like Obama's attack on Libya is unconstitutional...he should be impeached, as should have been Obama.
When we voted to give control of government over to the Republicans I had expected a more common sense and better spending budget, but what we got was something worse than the dems. With the dems they at least want to tax you and spend more. The republicans are spending more while cutting revenue...in the end at some point, our children/grandchildren will get the bill for this. I voted republican cause I thought we would get rid of Obamacare. That hasn't happened, we just got more excuses. So no at this point I don't hope Trump does bad, I hope all the republicans do bad. We were promised certain things and they have given every excuse to no deliver.....does anyone remember the Tea Party movement???

Posted by: Seth_D at April 27, 2018 02:30 PM (jxIwX)

60 A hearty "welcome" to all "The Bears" that can nestle-in and call this place "Home".

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 27, 2018 02:27 PM (Ckg4U)

The Bears still suck,
the Bears still suck,
the Bears still suck,
the Bears still suck,
they really really really really really really suck,
the Bears
still
suck.

*Polkas madly about the room*

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 27, 2018 02:30 PM (7UW64)

61 There is a movie about the NYC Giants?


Posted by: Paladin at April 27, 2018 02:28 PM (JNKLN)

Perhaps. There was a boyhood book called "Throw The Long Bomb" or somesuch about a rookie QB and his first year with the NYC football Giants.

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 27, 2018 02:30 PM (QLvwG)

62 I hope they end up sitting in a Starbucks masturbating and demanding free lattes.
Posted by: Robert Jenks at April 27, 2018 02:30 PM (VbLoi)

Uh...no whip, please.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 27, 2018 02:30 PM (NWiLs)

63 "Eh. I think (and long thought) this business model was non-viable but I don't wish any ill on the fired people and I hope they can find jobs somewhere."

--------

You're a better man than I am. These people worked very hard to depress morale of those on whose side they purported to be.

Posted by: Decaf at April 27, 2018 02:31 PM (/3+Sg)

64 It's like a colostomy bag has just been drained. Next step, throw it in the shit can.

Posted by: Under Fire at April 27, 2018 02:31 PM (r9UYA)

65 Is this about the Giants picking a running back?

Posted by: Kreplach at April 27, 2018 02:31 PM (UfMVm)

66 Some time ago I faced the choice of doing an anti-Trump-but-pro-conservative blog

All I can say is...glad that didn't happen.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 27, 2018 02:32 PM (Tyii7)

67 I can't believe the flaming clown car anti Trump post was 2 years ago. Time flies.

Posted by: ThatGuy at April 27, 2018 02:32 PM (wLeLb)

68 What's the audience for that? How many readers would that attract?"

I think National Review and Erick Erickson over at the Resurgent are fighting it out for that little niche of readers right now.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 27, 2018 02:32 PM (k1TUh)

69 Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at April 27, 2018 02:28 PM (dEQP3

I saw this Babylon Bee article and immediately thought of what you have said on your podcast about some of the deeply religious people you have had to deal with in your life. And that a lot of them actually engage in it.

Local Woman Discovers Prayer Request-Gossip Loophole

https://tinyurl.com/ycw6x377

Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2018 02:32 PM (cAnNx)

70 My favorite part of aces Trump acceptance transition was when he tweeted proTrump stuff and his tagline was virulently antiTrump.

Posted by: blaster at April 27, 2018 02:32 PM (v1fwL)

71 It's like a colostomy bag has just been drained.
==========

Oh, I know the feeling....

Posted by: Shep! at April 27, 2018 02:32 PM (vg8iE)

72 Swim? Hell, they don't even bathe. Can smell 'em from a mile away.

Like Bigfoot's crotch.

Posted by: bonhomme at April 27, 2018 02:32 PM (iv0p7)

73
When is it Tepid Gas' turn on the chopping block?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 27, 2018 02:32 PM (+RF8x)

74 And regarding Redstate, I stopped visiting there a long time ago cause anytime you said something against the common belief, you were just torn apart....sorry I don't roll that way, I think we can have a disagreement on things especially if I feel like the people aren't living up to what they campaigned on. It was worse than dealing with the left and how they interpret "Free Speech"

Posted by: Seth_D at April 27, 2018 02:32 PM (jxIwX)

75 *Polkas madly about the room*

That's what Trubisky does in the backfield.

Posted by: Roy at April 27, 2018 02:32 PM (7n4KQ)

76 That must have been some movie

Posted by: josephistan at April 27, 2018 02:32 PM (7HtZB)

77 65 Posted by: Kreplach at April 27, 2018 02:31 PM (UfMVm)

The giants picked up an offensive line....
with one signing....

DeadState waived Double Wide Double E and the Giants picked him up.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 27, 2018 02:32 PM (SzZnW)

78 As a Lions fan, I know better than most about simultaneously rooting for and against your team. I also think they should change their logo to the Feathered Fish. Like Rainbow Fish, only less appealing and cheaper somehow.

Posted by: Fisher at April 27, 2018 02:33 PM (8NiWI)

79 Here's my biggest issue with the NeverTrump Brigade:

They are, largely, assholes.

At some point early on they went from insulting Trump to insulting Trump supporters.

And they have been insulting Trump supporters for a long time now. Even people who were simply Trump-curious.

Basically anyone who wasnt a Rockefeller RINO Republican was getting the brunt of their insults.

Which made people feel stupid for previously reading and supporting what these people had said. Because as it turns out, these NeverTrumpers had as much if not more contempt for their audience as the liberals had.

So it wasn't so much the "we don't like Trump" part that fucked them, it was the "we don't like Republican voters" part that made it hard for them to keep an audience.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 27, 2018 02:33 PM (F5+ro)

80 You have to remember one thing - all those writers purged from redstate will be hired and back to work somewhere else.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - not woke much at April 27, 2018 02:33 PM (roQNm)

81 "Personally, the idea of this appealed to me, but it failed in practical reality because I don't know much about anything."


ace, you clearly have met the primary criterion for "elite media" employment, so, there you go. Pays better, too.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 27, 2018 02:33 PM (QDnY+)

82 To me, Trump is just the Lesser of Two Evils.

All the combined stuff done by Obama (more specifically, the shutdown and subsequent regulatory creep in the wake of the Deepwater Horizon spill, plus the putsch he supported in Egypt which wiped out the customer that helped me survive the shit from the Deepwater Horizon spill... and finally, the strange crash in oil prices that happened when he gave-or-released Lord knows how many billions of dollars to Iran so they could afford to hire Putin to bomb Syria...) pretty much destroyed my business, and then got me laid off from the business I went to work for.

I don't think I could survive a Hillary term.

Since the lesser-of-two-evils Trump got elected... he's been beating my expectations.

The Retarded Mandarins trying to overthrow him so they can go back to changing the US into a retarded version of Tang Dynasty China... not so much.

Never mind that Neo-Confucianism with actual smart people was tried back in the Tang dynasty, and the result was... well, they got major parts of China conquered by the Manchurians. And then the Mongols. They got rid of the Mongols for a couple hundred years, but then got conquered by the Manchurians again. Then got pwned by various Europeans and finally the Japanese, before getting remade by communists put in charge (essentially) by Russia, although they pretend to be Chinese Nationalist Communists just like the Vietnamese Russian proxies did.

Anyway, a) He's pissing off all the right people, and b) I don't have another thousand years to get back on my feet, especially if I die. And I don't think the country does either.

None of Trump's faults appear severe enough that we should be energetically trying to throw away our four year stay of execution.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at April 27, 2018 02:33 PM (CoKlX)

83 These writers were fired because they failed to gauge their own readership. They were selling something nobody was buying.

Market rules.

Supply and demand.

Capitalism of ideas.

Posted by: Decaf at April 27, 2018 02:33 PM (/3+Sg)

84 Giants, Jets, Mets, Yankees, Rangers, Islanders, Knicks, Nets.

At this point, what difference does it make!

Posted by: Fritz at April 27, 2018 02:33 PM (2Mnv1)

85 Like Bigfoot's crotch.
=======

This is about me, isn't it?

Posted by: Michelle at April 27, 2018 02:33 PM (vg8iE)

86 73 Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 27, 2018 02:32 PM (+RF8x)

Tepid was smart enough to atrophy prior to election 2016.

=Zero minus well zero still equals zero so "no movement."

Posted by: sven10077 at April 27, 2018 02:34 PM (SzZnW)

87 We'll know things have gone to hell around here when the Platinum memberships get cancelled.

Posted by: Roy at April 27, 2018 02:34 PM (7n4KQ)

88 46 I don't read RedState. However, given what I know of NeverTrumpers, they're condescending, monomaniacal, one-note Johnnies whose motivation is pure, seething hatred with a dash of contempt. If the RS writers were anything like that, of course they were fired because who the hell wants to read that shit other than other NeverTrumpers?

Posted by: Insomniac at April 27, 2018 02:29 PM (NWiLs)

The nevertrumpers I engaged at the time seemed driven only by the need to see the ultimate day when they could say I told you so, with one openly admitting that he was voting hillary to hasten civil war 2.0, after which, I assume they were to rise from the ashes and we were to grovel in their divine brilliance.

I can only imagine he took the Beck way out and went batshit insane.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at April 27, 2018 02:34 PM (Dp6qK)

89 Yeah, this place had a pretty big turnover in cobs after Ace came out for Trump. Y-Not, NDH, John E., Gabe...

I like the current crop quite a bit though.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 27, 2018 02:34 PM (0ogQG)

90 It's fine to want the quarterback replaced, and it's understandable that someone might say "I'll take a losing season to set up winning seasons later."
=======
*AHEM*

As a recovering Brown's fan, the timing of this comment on the heels of the NFL draft, is particularly painful, and no doubt, entirely intentional on your part.

Good Day sir.

Posted by: simplemind at April 27, 2018 02:34 PM (7cAXD)

91 tl:dr: It didn't work for China, it won't work for us if we try the same situation with stupid people, and the Chinese could outcompete us at the same strategy by actually hiring smart people.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at April 27, 2018 02:34 PM (CoKlX)

92 There is also the point Orwell made during WWII that if you were, at that point, anti-war you were objectively pro-fascist.

Ace got around to it in his usual Ewokian meander.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Tater is the Latest Gender at the Outrage Outlet! at April 27, 2018 02:35 PM (hLRSq)

93 If they got rid of all the NeverTrumpers, it means that no one wants to read them --which means people want to read pro-Trump writing.
Which must mean that there are fewer NeverTrumpers (at least among the readership of that site) than there were a year or so ago.

#Winning

Posted by: JoeF. at April 27, 2018 02:35 PM (7uYFy)

94 83 Posted by: Decaf at April 27, 2018 02:33 PM (/3+Sg)

Correct, and do note this GOOD news coupled with Big Kev Williamson being retired lets them live up to their casual dismissal of the white working class...

"the market is hard fellas that ain't Obama's fault"

Well true guys, and your comeuppance is only partly Trump's....

Posted by: sven10077 at April 27, 2018 02:35 PM (SzZnW)

95 Redstate is admitting that Trump isn't going anywhere.

And if you look at Trump's 50% approval rating in the general population, that's got to be astronomically higher among people who are the target audience of their amateur webzine.

NeverTrumpism appears to be losing steam. Time to move on toward the future on something more solid than reactionary oppositionism.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 27, 2018 02:35 PM (oVJmc)

96 Top Hunnert!

Posted by: eleven at April 27, 2018 02:35 PM (+lOpA)

97 Another possibility for someone caught in this trap -- and I mention this because I thought about it a lot, myself -- is transitioning to being a writer who writes mostly about some other specialty and only occasionally about politics. Personally, the idea of this appealed to me, but it failed in practical reality because I don't know much about anything.

============

Not stopping me!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 27, 2018 02:35 PM (aFMSC)

98 Posted by: Seth_D at April 27, 2018 02:30 PM (jxIwX)

The Moby's... they are improving.

I'd give this guy a solid 7/10.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 27, 2018 02:35 PM (F5+ro)

99 All I can say is...glad that didn't happen.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 27, 2018 02:32 PM (Tyii7)

x1000

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at April 27, 2018 02:35 PM (Dp6qK)

100
Houston Texans: Deshaun Watson

Cleveland Browns: Johnny Manzel

Nuff said.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 27, 2018 02:36 PM (BWL+E)

101 Dang. I dropped 3% on battery reading that.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 27, 2018 02:36 PM (0tfLf)

102 >>>As a recovering Brown's fan, ...


That's taking one year at a time, right?

Posted by: Roy at April 27, 2018 02:36 PM (7n4KQ)

103 Looks like a certain somebody discovered that being a cocksucker is vastly overrated.



Posted by: Martha at April 27, 2018 02:26 PM (Ymy4N)





Depends on the context, I guess. My husband has no problem with the fact that I am one...from time to time...

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 27, 2018 02:27 PM


I'm pretty sure that's threadwinner material right there.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 27, 2018 02:36 PM (p+Wdc)

104 >>>First they would have forced you to be #NeverTrump, then they would have fired you!

did they force people to do that? I wouldn't guess that. I would guess that a lot of their writers were nevertrump, and partly because they sit on Twitter all day getting partisanized by other NeverTrump twitter addicts.

Kinda helps a writer to know his audience to actually read them and interact with them, instead of just interacting with other bloggers on twitter.

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 02:36 PM (8rNrN)

105 >The Bears still suck,

the Bears still suck,

the Bears still suck,

the Bears still suck,

they really really really really really really suck,

the Bears

still

suck.



*Polkas madly about the room*

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 27, 2018 02:30 PM (7UW64



Really?

Posted by: Muad'dib at April 27, 2018 02:36 PM (sjdRT)

106 I admit to a certain sadness over what Erick Erickson has become. I used to like his writing but that was a bit of a while ago.

Posted by: Joelist at April 27, 2018 02:36 PM (GSzj1)

107 Tepid was smart enough to atrophy prior to election 2016.

=Zero minus well zero still equals zero so "no movement."


Posted by: sven10077 at April 27, 2018 02:34 PM (SzZnW)

Just like I sang about back in '75.

Posted by: Billy Preston at April 27, 2018 02:36 PM (QLvwG)

108 "prominent NeverTrumpers attempting to sound CNN-friendly notes"
..........

Notes, as in flatulence?

Posted by: wth at April 27, 2018 02:36 PM (HgMAr)

109 This kind of reminds me of the Left's whole "support the troops, but not the war" stance. They would actively root for the war effort to fail and take actions to undermine the war effort to assure it would fail, while claiming that they supported the people whose actions they were actively undermining.

Not to mention, their efforts to undermine the war effort and see it fail inevitably directly lead to military members' deaths in the war effort. Military members the Left turns around then and says they "support". Not possible to support someone if your actions are undermining them and getting them killed.

So this President Trump and America/conservatism is basically that in reverse. Instead of saying they support the person, but not the mission, they're claiming to support the mission, but not the person. But the result is the same. It is not possible to actively undermine one without negatively affecting the other.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at April 27, 2018 02:36 PM (7A4qQ)

110 as Andrew Breitbart said: I only read the comments, to see where the conservative movement is actually at.

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 02:36 PM (8rNrN)

111 Also Eli won two Superb Owls.


Bigly.

Posted by: eleven at April 27, 2018 02:37 PM (+lOpA)

112 31
Holy shit AMC shrank the seats! Infinity War not so infinite.

Posted by: Max Power at April 27, 2018 02:26 PM (8ArrO)

Haven't seen it yet. Judging from the TV commercials, I'm betting on too much Wakandan Battle Rhinos, the annoying little sister, Hawkey and Natasha.
Not enough Hulk, Thor, Nick Fury, Rocket, Drax, and Strange.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at April 27, 2018 02:37 PM (ymnmz)

113 How about this standard? Reality, reason, and logic--which you basically said above.


When someone can point out to me an actual thing that Trump is doing wrong and then another and another which, compiled, would outweigh the objective goods then ok. However, all I see from the nevertrumpers and other loons is about their feelz and random personal attacks.


What EXACTLY do they hate about Trump? What REAL reason based on FACT not fiction not feelz is their problem?

I wasn't on board with him initially because I thought he'd lose the election to the worst person in the world. I was wrong. Even when I still thought that, I certainly didn't want Hillary to win so my alternative was Trump and he does more everyday to amuse and please me.



Posted by: dagny at April 27, 2018 02:37 PM (ahV/f)

114 And that, boys and girls, is how hot dogs are made!

But seriously, interesting thoughts, Ace.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 27, 2018 02:37 PM (xJa6I)

115 *Polkas madly about the room*

And it's time for the Accordion Solo.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at April 27, 2018 02:37 PM (CoKlX)

116 ace: +10 points for using the word "redound"

That's classy.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 27, 2018 02:37 PM (8gDQu)

117 "prominent NeverTrumpers attempting to sound CNN-friendly notes"
..........

So they're claiming to be gay?

Posted by: wth at April 27, 2018 02:37 PM (HgMAr)

118 TL;DR

I liked the way the movie turned out too Ace.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at April 27, 2018 02:37 PM (Eiq+w)

119 I miss Gabe sometimes. But if you can't get happy about the most effective conservative President since Reagan (not hard since the other two were both Bushes), then what good are you on a conservative blog?

Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 27, 2018 02:37 PM (toi7g)

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 27, 2018 02:37 PM (p+Wdc)

121 It turns out Accordion Solo isn't Kylo Ren's evil twin...

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at April 27, 2018 02:37 PM (CoKlX)

122 There's no Polka-ing in here. This is a war room!

Posted by: eleven at April 27, 2018 02:37 PM (+lOpA)

123 (That happened here at this blog, too, as long time readers, on the NeverTrump side of things, felt insulted and denigrated by my own cheap zingers. I wish I could get some of them back -- I miss a lot of them.)

Oh cripes, if ChemOfJeff reads that and returns then I'm gone.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at April 27, 2018 02:38 PM (LOgQ4)

124 79 Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 27, 2018 02:33 PM (F5+ro)

Yup, I walked away from 14,000 followers on Twatter because at the end of the day the Trump Wars were awful *and* I was sick and tired of the fighting but YES the evangelical Never Trumper was a bigger asshole than the "screw this we need to win" Trump curious...

the small TRUMP SUPER FAN contingent was about as awful as the Kamikaze NTs but they were smaller in number.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 27, 2018 02:38 PM (SzZnW)

125 Trump is not the lesser of two evils he is actually the only legitimate player in our two party political system.

He's more conservative than a Republican ever to inhabit the White House, even more conservative than Reagan and he understands that being an oppositonal party means.... TO OPPOSE THE OPPOSITON AND ADVANCE....

The agenda and policy preferences of those that voted for you.

Which he tries to do every fucking day.

No thanks to the useless pile of dog shit that is the GOP.

Posted by: Kreplach at April 27, 2018 02:38 PM (UfMVm)

126 95 Redstate is admitting that Trump isn't going anywhere.

And if you look at Trump's 50% approval rating in the general population, that's got to be astronomically higher among people who are the target audience of their amateur webzine.

NeverTrumpism appears to be losing steam. Time to move on toward the future on something more solid than reactionary oppositionism.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 27, 2018 02:35 PM (oVJmc)

===========

Their numbers are dwindling.

Rich Lowry is now Trump cautious. David Haryansi (whatever) at the Federalist is tougher on Trump than most in the conservative movement, but not what I'd call NeverTrump.

The holdouts will be like the Japanese soldiers found on islands decades after 45. Convinced that their fight is still the only, pertinent fight no matter what else has gone on in the world.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 27, 2018 02:38 PM (aFMSC)

127 And please don't let me hear the "lesser of two evils" argument.

Hillary is evil. Trump is just a dick.

Dems would sell our souls. Trump is just a dick.

And he's a good dick, as dicks go.

Posted by: Hepcat at April 27, 2018 02:38 PM (5b+Sr)

128 I saw this Babylon Bee article and immediately thought of what you have said on your podcast about some of the deeply religious people you have had to deal with in your life. And that a lot of them actually engage in it.

Local Woman Discovers Prayer Request-Gossip Loophole

https://tinyurl.com/ycw6x377
Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2018 02:32 PM (cAnNx)



I literally fell off my couch laughing at that because it is just dead on truth.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at April 27, 2018 02:38 PM (dEQP3)

129 It's unserious, stupid, emotional, and/or irrational to pretend to care about dumb style points, or selected eye-rolling foibles (Trump's ridiculous slander of Cruz's father/JFK assassination), when they're not material to key policy matters, especially when most such policy matters are being addressed aggressively and in the right direction.


But even not incredibly uninformed, or dumb, and somewhat politically engaged people - who you'd think would understand the stakes and implications - apparently actually take such an unserious approach to it all. We see it here, though no so much any more (commenters, not ace or cobs).



Posted by: rhomboid at April 27, 2018 02:38 PM (QDnY+)

130 Leftists often say they really support the America that can be in the future, while being pretty opposed to the actual America that exists in the here and now.

And opposing every bit of the America that has existed up until this point, too.

But they really like the name "America".

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 27, 2018 02:38 PM (8gDQu)

131 To me, all the NeverTrump people that rooted for Hillary are living in make-believe world where only their dogma matters.

They (apparently) are on board with the Hillary Syndicate surrendering our country to open borders, and they prefer to go the way of London (and much of the EU), but after having their guns (and liberty) confiscated they will continue to wax eloquently about their virtuous stand on Mah Principuls.

With Trump all the enemy's long knives (and crossbows) are out for all to see (as opposed to a silent death under Hillary). There is at least HOPE of high grade prosecutions of Swamp Creatures that have been harpooned and are now fighting like a hooked Marlin.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 27, 2018 02:38 PM (bT8Z4)

132
Giants, Jets, Mets, Yankees, Rangers, Islanders, Knicks, Nets.

At this point, what difference does it make!

Posted by: Fritz


Truly it is amazing - apart from the Yankees and sometimes the Giants - how utterly mediocre New York sports teams are.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 27, 2018 02:38 PM (BWL+E)

133 As a recovering Brown's fan, ...



That's taking one year at a time, right?


...and accepting the things you cannot change.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 27, 2018 02:38 PM (Tyii7)

134 I can only imagine he took the Beck way out and went batshit insane.
Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at April 27, 2018 02:34 PM (Dp6qK)

Sounds like he was already there.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 27, 2018 02:38 PM (NWiLs)

135 his attack on Syria, just like Obama's attack on Libya is unconstitutional...he should be impeached, as should have been Obama."

We abandoned that part of the Constitution 80 years ago. Once Harry Truman was allowed to commit to a war in Korea without any actual declaration of war, that requirement was dead. We may hate it, but Congress has long ago abdicated its role in this area.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 27, 2018 02:38 PM (k1TUh)

136 But back on important topics, who does everyone have in the Infinity War dead pool?

I'm betting Iron Man, Cap and Thor get killed.

Only one day left to go until I can see it...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 27, 2018 02:38 PM (xJa6I)

137 Erik Erickson was always good about getting the Georgia Water Commisioner race right. Everything else....eh, not so much.

Posted by: Mallamutt at April 27, 2018 02:39 PM (/HC6x)

138 119 I miss Gabe sometimes. But if you can't get happy about the most effective conservative President since Reagan (not hard since the other two were both Bushes), then what good are you on a conservative blog?
Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 27, 2018 02:37 PM (toi7g)

===========

Have you SEEN out UNCOUTH Trump is?!?!?!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 27, 2018 02:39 PM (aFMSC)

139 Rob Schneider has gone "traitor" to the left, and is calling out how pathetic and unfunny SNL is now that they've become ultra-PC and dedicated to being the "anti-Trump hour".

Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 27, 2018 02:39 PM (toi7g)

140 Unfortunately writing about The Walking Dead or funny Pizza + Burrito foods is a space already occupied over at Hot Air.

Posted by: Little Larry Sellers at April 27, 2018 02:39 PM (FSP6v)

141

A Pennsylvania golf club called the police on a group of black women, all of them dues-paying members, after the co-owner said they were moving too slowly on the course. The altercation has prompted an apology from the club, but there are still lingering racial tensions.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 27, 2018 02:39 PM (IqV8l)

142 did they force people to do that? I wouldn't guess that. I would guess that a lot of their writers were nevertrump, and partly because they sit on Twitter all day getting partisanized by other NeverTrump twitter addicts.

Kinda helps a writer to know his audience to actually read them and interact with them, instead of just interacting with other bloggers on twitter.

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 02:36 PM (8rNrN)


Well, obviously you'd know better than I would, as you're closer to being on the "inner circle" there.

But it was... astonishing how seemingly every Salem writer had the exact same opinion on Trump.

It really did look like marching orders went out.

Put another way, in the 2012 primaries, I was still reading HA -- and they didn't endorse anyone or show any huge biases until late in the primary cycle.

This time they were Team NeverTrump REALLY early on. To the point where every writer there was trying to actively undermine Trump. Eventually Jazz Shaw "saw the light" and did a post about how he now "gets it" and is less "never trump"

It all just seemed very contrived.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 27, 2018 02:40 PM (F5+ro)

143 did they force people to do that? I wouldn't guess that. I would guess that a lot of their writers were nevertrump, and partly because they sit on Twitter all day getting partisanized by other NeverTrump twitter addicts.

Kinda helps a writer to know his audience to actually read them and interact with them, instead of just interacting with other bloggers on twitter.

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 02:36 PM (8rNrN)


You bring up a good point: propaganda is never useful- even for the one forcing the propaganda. It distorts reality for even the user to the point that they start to not react to the real world properly.

Twitter and social media is even worse than the Pauline Kael (Klael? Kaeline?) type. It gives the illusion that even more people are on your side that when you are at a dinner party.

What the NeverTrumpers found was that the echo chamber was all echo, and it was only a couple of guys throwing their voices.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 27, 2018 02:40 PM (ycWCI)

144 So Red State writers are suddenly going to be going George Will/David Brooks? Sounds right. Domestication is the way forward.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at April 27, 2018 02:40 PM (RD7QR)

145 There was one blogger at Red State, I think it was Susan Wright, who was just Jennifer Rubin Jr. The problem wasn't being anti-Trump. She was obviously deranged about it to the point of nitpicking on every little thing.

Posted by: Mark1971 at April 27, 2018 02:40 PM (xPl2J)

146 108 "prominent NeverTrumpers attempting to sound CNN-friendly notes"
..........

Notes, as in flatulence?
Posted by: wth at April 27, 2018 02:36 PM (HgMAr)

Teh Brown Note

Posted by: Insomniac at April 27, 2018 02:40 PM (NWiLs)

147 110 as Andrew Breitbart said: I only read the comments, to see where the conservative movement is actually at.



Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 02:36 PM (8rNrN



So based on that the conservative movement is titties guns and fart jokes.

Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2018 02:40 PM (cAnNx)

148 Haven't touched RedState since it was a Sarah Palin teen heartthrob site (it was obvious at that point that she had become completely ridiculous and an attention whore), with fuck-stick mods bullying and threatening any discussion of the matter.

What goes around, comes around.

Posted by: ArtGriego at April 27, 2018 02:40 PM (OlX82)

149 I hope they end up sitting in a Starbucks masturbating and demanding free lattes.

Posted by: Robert Jenks at April 27, 2018 02:30 PM (VbLoi)
..........

You make purchase before using bathroom, comrade.

Posted by: Starbucks Moscow at April 27, 2018 02:40 PM (HgMAr)

150 Trump is just a dick.

Yes! He said "pussy"!!! Can you believe it?

Posted by: The Shrieking Proles at April 27, 2018 02:41 PM (Tyii7)

151 The holdouts will be like the Japanese soldiers found on islands decades after 45. Convinced that their fight is still the only, pertinent fight no matter what else has gone on in the world.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 27, 2018 02:38 PM (aFMSC)

People like Kristol, Max Boot and Ralph Peters will never come around no matter what Trump acomplishes.

I do think #Never Trumpism will be delivered a fatal blow when John McCain shuffles off his mortal coil...

Posted by: JoeF. at April 27, 2018 02:41 PM (7uYFy)

152 87 We'll know things have gone to hell around here when the Platinum memberships get cancelled.

Posted by: Roy at April 27, 2018 02:34 PM (7n4KQ)

You will pry the &&&&'s from my cold dead hands.

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 27, 2018 02:41 PM (7UW64)

153 On an individual policy perspective, the "split down the middle" approach sure seems to work for the left, and I really wish we could figure out how to do something like that on our side. The left seems perfectly happy for incremental "progress" with the tacit assumption that once they get that victory, it becomes the standard that they then need to move from.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at April 27, 2018 02:41 PM (KUaJL)

154 *Polkas madly about the room*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY-oili63QQ

Posted by: bonhomme at April 27, 2018 02:41 PM (iv0p7)

155 I can't believe the flaming clown car anti Trump post was 2 years ago. Time flies.

My last hope for survival was that the flaming clown car wins the race. And guess what? He's gotten ahead in the race for the last two years.

Go Bonzo Go!

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at April 27, 2018 02:41 PM (CoKlX)

156 123. No worries. The community college adjunct instructor assured us he'll be back some day to tell us he warned us against TGE. And to rave about boxcars full of imaginary Romanian girlfriends.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 27, 2018 02:41 PM (fA1SL)

157
A Pennsylvania golf club called the police on a group of black women, all of them dues-paying members, after the co-owner said they were moving too slowly on the course. The altercation has prompted an apology from the club, but there are still lingering racial tensions.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.


If they're going to move slowly, they should have picked an aisle in the parking lot at the local supermarket to do it.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 27, 2018 02:41 PM (BWL+E)

158 Depends on the context, I guess. My husband has no problem with the fact that I am one...from time to time...
Posted by: tcn in AK at April 27, 2018 02:27 PM (7UW64)

Vid??

Posted by: Martha at April 27, 2018 02:41 PM (Ymy4N)

159 119 I miss Gabe sometimes."

I don't. Open borders/amnesty fanatic.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 27, 2018 02:42 PM (k1TUh)

160 Ace, I gotta know... why is the comments section such cancer? Not the actual commentary (well, sometimes), but the inability to create comment threads by replying directly to people. Is it just a style decision to live in some 90's layout?

Posted by: Alskari at April 27, 2018 02:42 PM (tdVTp)

161 148 Haven't touched RedState since it was a Sarah Palin teen heartthrob site (it was obvious at that point that she had become completely ridiculous and an attention whore), with fuck-stick mods bullying and threatening any discussion of the matter.

What goes around, comes around.
Posted by: ArtGriego at April 27, 2018 02:40 PM (OlX82)

============

I never really liked the site.

When I first started looking at blogs (early 2010), Red State kept coming up as something to follow, and I tried for a while. I can't remember specifically why I just gave up, but it might have been Erickson back then.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 27, 2018 02:42 PM (aFMSC)

162 135 his attack on Syria, just like Obama's attack on Libya is unconstitutional...he should be impeached, as should have been Obama."

We abandoned that part of the Constitution 80 years ago. Once Harry Truman was allowed to commit to a war in Korea without any actual declaration of war, that requirement was dead. We may hate it, but Congress has long ago abdicated its role in this area.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 27, 2018 02:38 PM (k1TUh)

You're not wrong, Congress basically signed over a lot of its authority in the 40's and never tried to get it back.

BUT, I want to give Truman a little credit here. We already had troops in Korea as part of the post-war occupation. And the Norks were armed for (and by) Bear and came south in a hurry. There was no time for debate. We needed more troops and planes and we needed them immediately.

If we'd waited for Congress to Observe, Orient, Decide and Act...there'd be no cute K-pop singers today.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 27, 2018 02:42 PM (xJa6I)

163 159 Posted by: Tom Servo at April 27, 2018 02:42 PM (k1TUh)

I miss his truck, it had spinners on the wheel wells.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 27, 2018 02:42 PM (SzZnW)

164 147 So based on that the conservative movement is titties guns and fart jokes.

fine by me.

Posted by: Anachronda at April 27, 2018 02:43 PM (v3pYe)

165 148 Haven't touched RedState since it was a Sarah Palin teen heartthrob site (it was obvious at that point that she had become completely ridiculous and an attention whore), with fuck-stick mods bullying and threatening any discussion of the matter.

What goes around, comes around.

Posted by: ArtGriego at April 27, 2018 02:40 PM (OlX82)

So, it's okay to be never-Palin but not never-Trump. Huh. Oddly, the only things people have against Sarah are the same things they have against Trump--lies and garbage thrown up by the MSM.

But hey, you have fun with that, Skippy.

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 27, 2018 02:43 PM (7UW64)

166 >>Kinda helps a writer to know his audience to actually read them and interact with them, instead of just interacting with other bloggers on twitter.


The NeverTrumpers are not that different from the MSM/entertainment industry, who are OK with insulting half their audience. However, the NeverTrumpers never had 100% of the audience to begin with, so they're falling first. The rest of the MSM is facing a fall, too, they just started in a better position.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 27, 2018 02:43 PM (W+vEI)

167 Great post, Mr Ace.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at April 27, 2018 02:43 PM (YR964)

168 I was opposed to Trump up until he received the nomination. After that, I shut up and soldiered, 'cause there was no way in hell I wanted Hillary! to be President. I'd vote for Ted Bundy, Bozo the Clown, or Joseph Friggin' Stalin over Hillary.

Since then, though, I've been mostly been very happy with what he's done (signing that absurd budget being the main exception) and will have no problem whatsoever with supporting him wholeheartedly in 2020, should he choose to run again.

Posted by: Chicago Voter Registrar at April 27, 2018 02:43 PM (GXOTw)

169 But back on important topics, who does everyone have in the Infinity War dead pool?


----

Villains' Pub, https://goo.gl/kxHEES

Posted by: auscolpyr at April 27, 2018 02:43 PM (suO/a)

170 But it's not even just wanting Eli Manning replaced. It's essentially the Giants fans wanting him replaced with Colin Kaepernick. An actual conservative-acting (-acting, not -talking) player is being punished because they want one of the many underperforming, more liberal replacements.

Team Ownership has no other recourse but to look for a way to get the real fans back and not the NY press corps.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at April 27, 2018 02:43 PM (H8S+R)

171 As a recovering Brown's fan, ...


That's taking one year at a time, right?
=========
Well I guess it depends on what "recovering" means

I haven't watched them play a down in the last three seasons. And every year I feel better and better. Last year I watch no pro football games at all. Stopped listing to sports radio. Felt best I have in years.

Its an unhappy game, even if you aren't watching the browns. Very few occurrences of success even for elite teams - only 16 reglr season games. If you are from Boston its probably pretty great for you though.

Baseball and basketball much more occurrences of success even for "bad" teams. Pro Football is designed to make you have the sadz. Of Course I am scarred by experience.

Posted by: simplemind at April 27, 2018 02:43 PM (u9YRg)

172 So based on that the conservative movement is titties guns and fart jokes.
Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2018 02:40 PM (cAnNx)

And a love of being FIRST!!!

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 27, 2018 02:43 PM (F5+ro)

173 Posted by: Seth_D at April 27, 2018 02:30 PM (jxIwX)

I'm really sick to death of this.

I expect it from the chattering imbeciles on Facebook and the brainless popularity contest winners like Maxine Waters and the like. But please tell me, explain it to me in language a 4 year old could understand:

WHAT CRIME HAS TRUMP COMMITTED THAT IS WORTHY OF IMPEACHMENT?

The attack on Syria? How is that different from any other involvement by this nation in any other conflict since Viet fucking Nam?

Please be specific, and cite whatever Article in the Constitution or federal law he has or may have vioated.

No one screetching IMPEEEEECH FOATY FI!!! seems able to do this.

Please shut up already. It contributes nothing to the discussion.

Posted by: Timmy Lupus at April 27, 2018 02:44 PM (I7oij)

174
People like Kristol, Max Boot and Ralph Peters will never come around no matter what Trump acomplishes. "

Max Boot is already writing garbage like "For the first time in my life, I understand what White Privilege is, and why it upsets so many well-meaning people".

Seriously. He's auditioning for a role as a full blown leftard.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 27, 2018 02:44 PM (k1TUh)

175 NT is giving more runway to the Hillary dead enders. If they just flip and become Dems they lose their man bites dog cachet.

Posted by: blaster at April 27, 2018 02:44 PM (v1fwL)

176 >>>To me, all the NeverTrump people that rooted for Hillary are living in make-believe world where only their dogma matters.


yes, the elevation over the theoretical and abstract over the tangible and real. I always despise this impulse among some especially-dogmatic ideologues.

Yes, ideas matter; but you know what else matters? The real world. The World of Abstract Ideations is not the only world. In fact, it's not a world at all.

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 02:44 PM (8rNrN)

177
Hillary is evil. Trump is just a dick.




I'm very fond of dick. But I even disagree with that. He responds to attacks, he doesn't start them and then everyone gets the f-ing vapors because his comeback is strong. It's the most effective way to not get abused for real, have a reaction to an action. Bush, by being "above it" got us Obama. (Which was a nightmare because of Leftism, but tempered by not having that d-bag creep McCain).

Posted by: dagny at April 27, 2018 02:44 PM (ahV/f)

178 That's nice of you, Ace. But I extend all the ill
will I can muster for Susan Wright. Eff that scrunt. If she's not among
the fired, it was all for naught.


Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 27, 2018 02:29 PM (toi7g)
+++++Seriously. Like I said in the other post, if they were going to get rid of anyone, it needed to be her. If you're going to personally insult who disagree with your ravings like she was, don't hide behind your contributor status like a little b*itch to prevent people from responding in kind.

Posted by: Some guy at April 27, 2018 02:45 PM (0d7v8)

179
Trump is just a dick.


We needed a dick

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at April 27, 2018 02:45 PM (lKyWE)

180 160 Ace, I gotta know... why is the comments section such cancer? Not the actual commentary (well, sometimes), but the inability to create comment threads by replying directly to people. Is it just a style decision to live in some 90's layout?
Posted by: Alskari at April 27, 2018 02:42 PM (tdVTp)

Whaaaaa?

It's because we can't have nice things. But when Minx .7 beta comes out ... wow, that'll be the day!

(also, look at Drudge or even Google. Some very popular webpages live in "some 90's layout").

We don't need to redditafy this place.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 27, 2018 02:45 PM (F5+ro)

181 I literally fell off my couch laughing at that because it is just dead on truth.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at April 27, 2018 02:38 PM (dEQP3)

I think it's true. I can't say these is any gossip on our prayer list, or in our prayer group but I'm sure it happens. If people have concerns they tell me privately. Here's an example "Cousin Lucy needs healing" brought up in service. Then the person will say to "Cousin Lucy is affected by depression and had to be admitted to the hospital' which I don't say to the prayer group. That may be gossip. It also may be that the person thought I could relate. A leader of a prayer group should keep a lid on negative gossiping.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 27, 2018 02:45 PM (tpDAe)

182 154 *Polkas madly about the room*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY-oili63QQ

Posted by: bonhomme at April 27, 2018 02:41 PM (iv0p7)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpMBZK7GOJc

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 27, 2018 02:45 PM (7UW64)

183 119 I miss Gabe sometimes. But if you can't get happy about the most effective conservative President since Reagan (not hard since the other two were both Bushes), then what good are you on a conservative blog?


Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 27, 2018 02:37 PM (toi7g)



I don't. I still remember one of the last real posts he did here. A stupid post about a poll in DECEMBER 2014(!!!) of a presidential poll showing Jeb as the front runner. Everyone in the comments was pointing out how stupid it was to be putting up a post about a poll so far out and he got all pissy about it.

Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2018 02:45 PM (cAnNx)

184 I'll learn how to format quotes eventually.

Posted by: Some guy at April 27, 2018 02:45 PM (0d7v8)

185 Shelves. You could have written about shelves.

Posted by: irright at April 27, 2018 02:45 PM (pMGkg)

186 So based on that the conservative movement is titties guns and fart jokes.

Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2018 02:40 PM (cAnNx)

The more things change, the more they stay the same. We are conservatives. We conserve shit.

Take that, and stick it in your list of principles, Jordan Peterson.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at April 27, 2018 02:45 PM (Dp6qK)

187 176 >>>To me, all the NeverTrump people that rooted for Hillary are living in make-believe world where only their dogma matters.


yes, the elevation over the theoretical and abstract over the tangible and real. I always despise this impulse among some especially-dogmatic ideologues.

Yes, ideas matter; but you know what else matters? The real world. The World of Abstract Ideations is not the only world. In fact, it's not a world at all.

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 02:44 PM (8rNrN)

==============

Powerline had a good post about this a few months ago.

The logic was: Maybe deportment is important in a president, but is it as important as personnel and policy victories?

It was relatively detailed and, of course, came down on the "support Trump because of the conservative advances" side of the argument.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 27, 2018 02:45 PM (aFMSC)

188 27 er, also, ace, are you saying that your opinions on this blog are contrived to maximize your readership and ad revenue?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 27, 2018 02:26 PM (F5+ro)

++++

I think it would be more accurate to say that he is selective in what he chooses to write about rather than he is changing what he writes.

Also, if you pay attention, there are some stories where he doesn't say much at all. Just blockquotes and links. At least some of the time, that's probably because he doesn't want to get into a debate against the majority of his readership.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 27, 2018 02:46 PM (pvjTE)

189 176 Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 02:44 PM (8rNrN)

"I have this 97 point plan for repairing the economy...."

//<Mitt Romney Call Sign -Binders

"Mitt step one HAS to be being elected and making the democrat unpalatable..."

//Donald Trump Call Sign-President #45

Posted by: sven10077 at April 27, 2018 02:46 PM (SzZnW)

190 Who is Susan Wright?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 27, 2018 02:46 PM (tpDAe)

191 Red State was always a snooze of a blog.

Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at April 27, 2018 02:46 PM (2NqXo)

192 @Aetius451AD

Propaganda is a tool and if the 20th and 21st century have taught us anything, its that it is an effective tool.

The trick is to not believe your own propaganda. Like Barry believing his own bullshit. Or James Comey.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 27, 2018 02:46 PM (xJa6I)

193 Ettes are getting frisky today.

Where'd I put the bow tie?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 27, 2018 02:46 PM (ycWCI)

194 To me, all the NeverTrump people that rooted for Hillary are living in make-believe world where only their dogma matters.





yes, the elevation over the theoretical and abstract over the
tangible and real. I always despise this impulse among some
especially-dogmatic ideologues.



But even then, what was their "ideology?" It was merely "feelings" of "he's not sophisticated enough" and for real "he doesn't want open borders."

Posted by: dagny at April 27, 2018 02:46 PM (ahV/f)

195 I miss Gabe sometimes. But if you can't get happy about the most effective conservative President since Reagan (not hard since the other two were both Bushes), then what good are you on a conservative blog?

Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 27, 2018 02:37 PM


Legal wise he was good. But when an openly gay dude professes his desire 'to get a child' slash adopt a child as if it was a fashion accessory, it struck me somewhere in my only mildly social conservative side as something wrong. Totally wrong.

Lost all respect for him. Parenting is tough, it requires two points of view. A man and a woman. Anything else is unfair to the child.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at April 27, 2018 02:46 PM (LOgQ4)

196 Haven't touched RedState since it was a Sarah Palin teen heartthrob site (it was obvious at that point that she had become completely ridiculous and an attention whore), with fuck-stick mods bullying and threatening any discussion of the matter.

What goes around, comes around.
Posted by: ArtGriego at April 27, 2018 02:40 PM

THIS ^^
This is what I'm talking about. Are your passions not inflamed? Doesn't this get the old juices flowing?
Like that Statham movie where the hero needed adrenaline to stay alive. Can't you just feel the endorphins hitting those receptors?

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Deacon, Reformed Church of the Apopaclypse at April 27, 2018 02:46 PM (roQNm)

197 That Giants/Eli ramble is pretty much my take on fantasy football.

Posted by: DanMan at April 27, 2018 02:46 PM (XTiHL)

198 Ace, I would love to know what event or events made you reconsider exactly how vile the mainstream left in this country actually is.

I'm sure your opinion of them, while already obviously quite low, has nevertheless been going down, and has dropped rather precipitously in the last 12 to 18 months.

Posted by: Mega at April 27, 2018 02:46 PM (A6fVB)

199 No one screetching IMPEEEEECH FOATY FI!!! seems able to do this.

Please shut up already. It contributes nothing to the discussion.
=====

At this point, it's just a cathartic mantra that they mouth to themselves to keep from having panic attacks.

Empty words.

They know the public would not support it.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 27, 2018 02:47 PM (vg8iE)

200 Oh I understand Seth D's position, there's always a minority who think every President since FDR, and including FDR, should have been impeached because of various Crimes against the Constitution, but that's a silly and pretty harmless view, kind of like the crazy uncle who shouts at the sky but never remembers to do up his zipper.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 27, 2018 02:47 PM (k1TUh)

201 183 Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2018 02:45 PM (cAnNx)

I pointed out as did others that Yeb! 2016 would have me cross the aisle for a GENUINE Democrat.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 27, 2018 02:47 PM (SzZnW)

202 176
>>>To me, all the NeverTrump people that rooted for Hillary are
living in make-believe world where only their dogma matters.





yes, the elevation over the theoretical and abstract over the
tangible and real. I always despise this impulse among some
especially-dogmatic ideologues.



Yes, ideas matter; but you know what else matters? The real world.
The World of Abstract Ideations is not the only world. In fact, it's not
a world at all.





Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 02:44 PM (8rNrN)

That proverbial runway you speak of is very much like that at Logan Airport in Boston. If you don't stop, you are all wet.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 27, 2018 02:47 PM (jxbfJ)

203 I'm going semi OT and say that Sexton was obviously correct IMHO. You got to get your foot in the door. This is what Texas is doing.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 27, 2018 02:47 PM (n1b3L)

204 My review of Ace's review: good movie. Understood it's audience.

Posted by: t-bird at April 27, 2018 02:47 PM (gh7cp)

205 And now what's the audience down to?

Hey, hey now! What are we, chopped liver?

Posted by: Neocon Billionaires at April 27, 2018 02:47 PM (DuAZ5)

206 I would still like some definition as to what it means to be NeverTrump.

For me, it's what it says on the tin: Never Trump. Nothing he does will ever convince that person that Trump has any value as a politician, no matter what. Trump could enact every single solitary item on that person's policy wish list and nope nope nope.

There's also the addition of being just ludicrously snobby and obnoxious about them thar hicks what did vote for Trump and how they have no principles or morals or intelligence.

Then there are those who are anti-Trump the person but are not Never Trump. They don't like Trump due to all of the obvious personal failings. However, they are at least open to the idea that Trump is accomplishing worthwhile things and that those accomplishments are worthwhile in and of themselves even if they are Trump's accopmlishments.

Just criticizing Trump, even harshly, doesn't make someone Never Trump. LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU YOU STUPID NON-CODER WHO WON'T MOVE OUT OF THEIR COMMUNITY THAT DESERVES TO DIE does.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at April 27, 2018 02:47 PM (dEQP3)

207 A leader of a prayer group should keep a lid on negative gossiping.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 27, 2018 02:45 PM (tpDAe)


Curious, isn't it, how people who would never commit sexual sins or murder have no problem with slander, detraction and calumny.

Don't they ever wonder what other people gossip about them? I do.

I've been known to give them a thing or two to gossip about, too.

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 27, 2018 02:47 PM (7UW64)

208 My question is why did Salem allow this to go as long as it did?

I've heard people say it's because they (Salem) are NeverTrump, but I don't really see any evidence of that as most all of their AM talk radio is pretty pro-Trump.

I just never found it all that hard to support Trump when he supported conservative goals and criticize him when he does something stupid. But there is a small crowd that is willing to throw their supposed entire ideology out the window just to say "I told you so" regarding Trump.

Posted by: Maritime at April 27, 2018 02:47 PM (lKmt3)

209 @177

Trump comes out swinging like a wife would.

When I get into an argument with my wife she doesn't just comeback with a gentle reposte it's usually a flying atomic leg kick from the top rope, followed up by a pile driver from the top of the cage.


Posted by: Kreplach at April 27, 2018 02:47 PM (UfMVm)

210 I'm very fond of dick. But I even disagree with that. He responds to attacks, he doesn't start them and then everyone gets the f-ing vapors because his comeback is strong. It's the most effective way to not get abused for real, have a reaction to an action. Bush, by being "above it" got us Obama. (Which was a nightmare because of Leftism, but tempered by not having that d-bag creep McCain).

Posted by: dagny at April 27, 2018 02:44 PM (ahV/f)

I believe this is formally called the "Team America" doctrine.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at April 27, 2018 02:47 PM (KUaJL)

211 I remember thinking around the turn of the year that RedState would probably do better if they could just bring themselves to fire Susan Wright. She was so deranged about Trump that every time I clicked on a headline and saw her name in the by-line, I groaned, closed the article, and frequently didn't read anything else on the site.

*Shrug* Just what I thought.

Posted by: Dianna at April 27, 2018 02:48 PM (DV/Ik)

212 >>> I was opposed to Trump up until he received the nomination.

i was too... I was even open to the floor fight maneuver to try to get electors to vote for Cruz.

At some point, one has to look at the real-world alternatives and choose between Trump and Hillary. Easy choice for me.

Some pretended they didn't have to choose -- like Ben Shapiro with his idiotic "it's a non-binary choice" flimflam (which got endlessly repeated by his robots) -- and others just chose Hillary.

Some chose Hillary but refused to admit it -- a particularly obnoxious thing for someone whose entire job it is to say what they actually believe and would urge others to do.

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 02:48 PM (8rNrN)

213 Ace: "What exactly is the market for a New York Giants football blog dedicated to promoting at least four years of Giants losses until Eli's contract runs out in 2020?"

It would be our second favorite blog!

Posted by: NFC East Bloggers and Fans at April 27, 2018 02:48 PM (H8S+R)

214 193 Ettes are getting frisky today.

Where'd I put the bow tie?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 27, 2018 02:46 PM (ycWCI)


brb - off to fetch the trampoline.

Posted by: Roy at April 27, 2018 02:48 PM (7n4KQ)

215 So based on that the conservative movement is titties guns and fart jokes.
Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2018 02:40 PM (cAnNx)

And that's how I knew I'd found home.
*sniffle*

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 27, 2018 02:48 PM (xJa6I)

216 A Pennsylvania golf club called the police on a group of black women, all of them dues-paying members, after the co-owner said they were moving too slowly on the course. The altercation has prompted an apology from the club, but there are still lingering racial tensions.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 27, 2018 02:39 PM (IqV8l)


They called the cops? That's really weird. I've never heard of such a thing. If a group is moving too slowly (and I've been behind a whole bunch of them) then the superintendent or the course manager comes by and tells them to hurry up or let people play through.

I would think that there must have been something else going on or they refused to let people play through or get off the course, if not. Still ... never heard of the cops being called on members or anyone who paid the greens fees.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 27, 2018 02:48 PM (8gDQu)

217 Pappy O'Redstate's enormous son: "We should get us some of that re-form, Daddy. People like that re-Form"

Pappy O'Redstate, slapping him with his hat: " How is a damned incumbent blog gonna run on re-form!?"

Posted by: Hawkpilot at April 27, 2018 02:48 PM (ia96E)

218 why is the comments section such cancer? Not the actual commentary (well, sometimes), but the inability to create comment threads by replying directly to people.
...........

Disqus doesn't allow titty, gun and fart jokes.

Posted by: wth at April 27, 2018 02:48 PM (HgMAr)

219 Bears hate? I am still seething against the Chicago NFL football Bears for the 73 - 0 trouncing they delivered to my hometown Washington Redskins back in 1940 for the NFL Championship.

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 27, 2018 02:48 PM (QLvwG)

220 159 119 I miss Gabe sometimes."

I don't. Open borders/amnesty fanatic.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 27, 2018 02:42 PM (k1TUh)

And attacked as bigoted and hateful anyone who wasn't 100% ghey for ghey marriage.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 27, 2018 02:48 PM (NWiLs)

221 How can a person discuss "conservative criticism of Trump" after the words have been contorted into so many meanings? In fact I'm getting fed up with the word conservative. At this point, restoring a constitutional republic isn't conservative, it's radical.

Posted by: Neil deGrasse It's not rape if I'm wearing the dress Tyson at April 27, 2018 02:48 PM (1L9V9)

222 I'm very fond of dick.
=======

Preach it, Girl!!!!

Posted by: Shep! at April 27, 2018 02:49 PM (vg8iE)

223 I believe this is formally called the "Team America" doctrine.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at April 27, 2018 02:47 PM (KUaJL)

There's three types of people in this world, Chuck!

Posted by: Insomniac at April 27, 2018 02:49 PM (NWiLs)

224
I'm going semi OT and say that Sexton was obviously correct IMHO. You
got to get your foot in the door. This is what Texas is doing.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 27, 2018 02:47 PM (n1b3L)

Yeah, if you look at how many red states are passing late term abortion bans it is absolutely a viable plan.

Posted by: Mark1971 at April 27, 2018 02:49 PM (xPl2J)

225 >>>I remember thinking around the turn of the year that RedState would probably do better if they could just bring themselves to fire Susan Wright. She was so deranged about Trump that every time I clicked on a headline and saw her name in the by-line, I groaned, closed the article, and frequently didn't read anything else on the site.


I felt the same wince when I would see her byline. She was really out there, as far as just being on the other side.

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 02:49 PM (8rNrN)

226
they really really really really really really suck,

the Bears

still

suck.


*Polkas madly about the room*
=====

Yeah, you and Slap can dance if you want to, but those of us in IL are stuck.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 27, 2018 02:49 PM (MIKMs)

227 Writers flocking to cawll call Herr Kristol.

Posted by: gNewt at April 27, 2018 02:49 PM (bN6TL)

228 142 ...Eventually Jazz Shaw "saw the light" and did a post about how he now "gets it" and is less "never trump"



It all just seemed very contrived.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes


I was about to mention Jazz Shaw and his sudden rollback of his #NT position, just a couple of weeks after he declared he was done with Trump in the primaries.

Apparently, he looked at the commenter polls.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 27, 2018 02:49 PM (0ogQG)

229 "Kinda helps a writer to know his audience to actually read them and interact with them, instead of just interacting with other bloggers on twitter."

----------

Ha! They must have thought they were elite or something.

Posted by: Decaf at April 27, 2018 02:50 PM (/3+Sg)

230 220 159 119 I miss Gabe sometimes."

I don't. Open borders/amnesty fanatic.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 27, 2018 02:42 PM (k1TUh)

And attacked as bigoted and hateful anyone who wasn't 100% ghey for ghey marriage.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 27, 2018 02:48 PM (NWiLs)

And he has lousy taste in books, music and movies

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 27, 2018 02:50 PM (xJa6I)

231 When I get into an argument with my wife she doesn't just comeback with a gentle reposte it's usually a flying atomic leg kick from the top rope, followed up by a pile driver from the top of the cage.

Posted by: Kreplach at April 27, 2018 02:47 PM (UfMVm)
............

So, foreplay.

Posted by: wth at April 27, 2018 02:50 PM (HgMAr)

232
Also, if you pay attention, there are some stories where he doesn't say much at all. "

You wanna know who isn't saying anything at all about the Redstate terminations? Hot Air, that's who isn't saying anything at all. Heh heh heh.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 27, 2018 02:50 PM (k1TUh)

233 If you're not first you're varying degrees of second.

Posted by: eleven at April 27, 2018 02:50 PM (+lOpA)

234 119 I miss Gabe sometimes

------------------------------

Oh, I enjoyed when he got all pissy in the comments. Hewhathe (? - the troll not the counter-troll) would make a great combo.

Posted by: RioBravo at April 27, 2018 02:50 PM (g6yUI)

235 The trick is to not believe your own propaganda. Like Barry believing his own bullshit. Or James Comey.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 27, 2018 02:46 PM (xJa6I)

I know it can be useful- historically that is true. The problem is that it tends to propagandize the user as much as the intended target. I wonder about it's long term benefits due to what I said above.

One case I am thinking of: The media pushed Hillary as so inevitable. I think this was primarily to sway voters onto 'the winning side' but also to depress conservative turnout who would never vote for it. They were so successful in their propaganda for their side, that I wonder if it actually served to DEPRESS liberal turnout or make people think they could vote third party because their desired secondary candidate was assured.

I am not saying I do not like the outcome, I am just wondering if this was the case.

There is a difference between being supportive and propaganda. There is a fine line that I think is all too easy to step over.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 27, 2018 02:50 PM (ycWCI)

236 The biggest douche on RedState was Neil Stevens. That guy was a straight up head case.

He was the one urging anti-trump people to start bringing guns to Trump rallies and cause trouble.

Posted by: Maritime at April 27, 2018 02:50 PM (lKmt3)

237 for those of us who don't get around much--isn't Red State the Eric Erickson guy? Is he still there? Was he fired today?

73
When is it Tepid Gas' turn on the chopping block?
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 27, 2018 02:32 PM (+RF8x)

Yeah, gotta wonder. They never went back from the fb comments thing; does that mean that the comments section really doesn't add to the performance of a blog relative to ad revenue?

Posted by: TexasDan at April 27, 2018 02:50 PM (yL25O)

238 >>>I'm going semi OT and say that Sexton was obviously correct IMHO. You
got to get your foot in the door. This is what Texas is doing.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 27, 2018 02:47 PM (n1b3L)

Yeah, if you look at how many red states are passing late term abortion bans it is absolutely a viable plan.

...

to be honest, I think he might have proposed that as a more permanent compromise. But I don't remember, and I don't know his exact position on the life question, and I don't want to misrepresent him.

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 02:50 PM (8rNrN)

239 Yeah, you and Slap can dance if you want to, but those of us in IL are stuck.
Posted by: mustbequantum at April 27, 2018 02:49 PM (MIKMs)

Yeah. But, it's still not Wisconsin.

Posted by: Roy at April 27, 2018 02:50 PM (7n4KQ)

240 Trump comes out swinging like a wife would.

When
I get into an argument with my wife she doesn't just comeback with a
gentle reposte it's usually a flying atomic leg kick from the top rope,
followed up by a pile driver from the top of the cage.




Posted by: Kreplach at April 27, 2018 02:47 PM (UfMVm)

She trained under Jimmy 'Superfly' Snuka? Awesome!

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 27, 2018 02:51 PM (QLvwG)

241 228 Posted by: GnuBreed at April 27, 2018 02:49 PM (0ogQG)

The comment polls are a lot easier to read now, just like the comment threads are....

they used to go to 27 pages of 50 posts each....

last time I looked they seldom had more than 100 comments on a post.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 27, 2018 02:51 PM (SzZnW)

242 WHAT CRIME HAS TRUMP COMMITTED THAT IS WORTHY OF IMPEACHMENT?

....
No one screetching IMPEEEEECH FOATY FI!!! seems able to do this.


Please shut up already. It contributes nothing to the discussion.
Posted by: Timmy Lupus at April 27, 2018 02:44 PM (I7oij)

He hasn't done anything worthy of impeachment. That doesn't mean they won't do it the first chance they get though.

Trump has disrupted their little game.


Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at April 27, 2018 02:51 PM (UBzPO)

243 ...read the article... then I read this line:

"Salem has previously been scrutinized for its treatment of radio hosts who weren't toeing a pro-Trump line during the presidential campaign."

Toeing? No more copy editors at CNN as well?

Posted by: C smith at April 27, 2018 02:51 PM (qgYdR)

244 We don't need to redditafy this place.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 27, 2018 02:45 PM (F5+ro)

I didn't ask for upvotes, and gay aliens. I just want to be able to see what is actually being talked about and able to follow conversations w/o spraining my scrolling finger.

... I need that one ready for prostate stimulation.

Posted by: Alskari at April 27, 2018 02:51 PM (tdVTp)

245 212
Some pretended they didn't have to choose -- like Ben Shapiro with his idiotic "it's a non-binary choice" flimflam (which got endlessly repeated by his robots) -- and others just chose Hillary.

Some chose Hillary but refused to admit it -- a particularly obnoxious thing for someone whose entire job it is to say what they actually believe and would urge others to do.

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 02:48 PM (8rNrN)

=============

I think there was room for the "non-binary" choice idea, but it was on the periphery.

For instance, I live in SC. SC was not going any which way but Trump in 2016. So, I voted Libertarian in the hope of getting them 5% of the national vote and public funding in 2020 (spoiler alert: didn't work).

However, I said this at the time, if there had been a remote chance of Hillary taking the state or if I had lived in a swing state (as opposed to one definitely going one way or another), I would have voted for Trump.

So, in terms of my own personal vote (without a platform as well), it was non-binary. In different circumstances it would have definitely been non-binary.

But that was my very specific circumstances.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 27, 2018 02:51 PM (aFMSC)

246 Posted by: Tom Servo at April 27, 2018 02:47 PM (k1TUh)

Eh, I think he's a Moby / concern troll.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 27, 2018 02:51 PM (F5+ro)

247 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 27, 2018 02:38 PM (xJa6I)

I'm betting Groot or Rocket, Dr. Strange (his interdimensional voodoo will probably be key and he'll sacrifice himself or something), Black Panther and maybe the cute science girl friend he has. Spiderman possibly since that'd fuck with people's hearts. Starlord has to die since he's a quippy likable bastard. Drax since he's funny. I'm betting that green/blue girl sister pair die, or one of them dies and the other dies trying to avenge her. I'm also gonna say Vision since everyone loves him.

Basically my theory is they're gonna kill off as many lovable side characters as they can to motivate people to see the second movie for revenge, but minimize killing off the main set since their presence is so symbolic.

Posted by: The Deplorable Mr. Trumpkin at April 27, 2018 02:51 PM (wwd4n)

248 At some point, one has to look at the real-world alternatives and choose between Trump and Hillary. Easy choice for me.
---------

And there-in lies the crux of the whole election. One could frame it as pro-Hillary/anti-Hillary, or anti-Trump/pro-Trump, but anyone with an ounce of sense had to know that once the conventions were over, one of these two was going to be the next POTUS.

It all boiled down to that.

Very thoughtful piece, ace. I was not a Trump fan, but the second he became the nominee I knew I would vote for him and I would crawl a mile over broken glass to do so in order to make sure Hillary didn't win.

Posted by: bluebell at April 27, 2018 02:52 PM (oMtOd)

249 >>>Ha! They must have thought they were elite or something.


all the elites hang out on twitter all day yapping with the other "elites" who work as blog writers

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 02:52 PM (8rNrN)

250 In the Infinity War dead pool - I have everyone.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at April 27, 2018 02:52 PM (tVWQB)

251 If you're not first you're varying degrees of second.

Posted by: eleven at April 27, 2018 02:50 PM (+lOpA)
...........

This is about me, isn't it?

Posted by: hILLRY o O at April 27, 2018 02:52 PM (HgMAr)

252 Nicely said, Ace.

Posted by: LASue at April 27, 2018 02:52 PM (Z48ZB)

253 Then there are those who are anti-Trump the person but are not Never Trump. They don't like Trump due to all of the obvious personal failings. However, they are at least open to the idea that Trump is accomplishing worthwhile things and that those accomplishments are worthwhile in and of themselves even if they are Trump's accopmlishments.


Oh quit defending your carrot chili eating show producer

Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2018 02:52 PM (cAnNx)

254 237 Posted by: TexasDan at April 27, 2018 02:50 PM (yL25O)

It may not add directly, but it most assuredly does indirectly.

It racked up a "pageview" when you posted and reloaded..

I used to comment there at about 85% of my peak post outpost here old boy.

My peak here was 5000 posts a week.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 27, 2018 02:52 PM (SzZnW)

255 Also, if you pay attention, there are some stories where he doesn't say much at all. Just blockquotes and links. At least some of the time, that's probably because he doesn't want to get into a debate against the majority of his readership.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 27, 2018 02:46 PM (pvjTE)


I'm pretty sure he's just hung-over whenever he short-posts.

You can tell when he's got some GAINZZ goin' on ... then we get a movie review.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 27, 2018 02:52 PM (fiGNd)

256 I don't really miss Gabe after he put the kibosh on my steel wool stuffed, cat liter encrusted bichon thighs

Posted by: Martha at April 27, 2018 02:52 PM (Ymy4N)

257 Eric Erickson set Red State on this retarded path and he still snipes at Trump and his supporters. The fired employees should beat the living shit out of him.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 27, 2018 02:52 PM (4e+hS)

258 Nelson Muntz could have said it all in a manner much more pithy.

Posted by: Pronoun Witheld By Request at April 27, 2018 02:52 PM (4fmLd)

259 Toeing? No more copy editors at CNN as well?

Posted by: C smith at April 27, 2018 02:51 PM (qgYdR)


There's nothing wrong with "toeing".

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 27, 2018 02:53 PM (8gDQu)

260 What I don't understand is why these firings didn't occur the day after Trump was elected.

Also, why are a lot of NeverTrumper's still employed?

Why are these political seers who couldn't predict what was totally obvious to a number of us, especially by election day, still cashing paychecks?

Fuck.

Posted by: Jwest at April 27, 2018 02:53 PM (/roJx)

261 214 193 Ettes are getting frisky today.

Where'd I put the bow tie?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 27, 2018 02:46 PM (ycWCI)


brb - off to fetch the trampoline.

Posted by: Roy at April 27, 2018 02:48 PM (7n4KQ)


*Strategically positions the bread and luncheon meats*

*Notates with suggestive glances*

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at April 27, 2018 02:53 PM (Dp6qK)

262 Posted by: tcn in AK at April 27, 2018 02:47 PM (7UW64)

Everybody gossips-unless they're some kind of Saint-which I'm not, and is also probably why the Scriptures mention it and because it can tear apartt families and churches. I find it rather difficult sometimes to know what is gossip and what is not. If I mention to a friend another clergy person is driving me crazy and I think they're have a lot of personal issues going on is that gossip or is it discussing a problem with a friend? But people can say "It's inappropriate to mention that when we don't know; Let's just pray for healing for whatever in the ways they need."

P.S. I don't bring up problems with colleagues to the congregation.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 27, 2018 02:53 PM (tpDAe)

263
But hey, you have fun with that, Skippy.
Posted by: tcn in AK at April 27, 2018 02:43 PM


A friend of mine likes to tell of when he visited Alaska and was on a tour bus. The bus driver kept trashing Palin and thus proving that everybody in Alaska hates her.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 27, 2018 02:53 PM (IqV8l)

264 I thought Eric Ericson was a dick even when I agreed with him. What I like about Ace is his actual humility.

He's just a regular Schmo like me, usually right but sometimes wrong but all through it accepting of the travails of being in our pre-omniscient phase of life.

Posted by: Minuteman at April 27, 2018 02:53 PM (XrR0w)

265 I wonder how Patterico's blog has gone since he went never trump. I used to read it all the time; now only once or twice since the election.

Posted by: LASue at April 27, 2018 02:53 PM (Z48ZB)

266 >>>"Salem has previously been scrutinized for its treatment of radio hosts who weren't toeing a pro-Trump line during the presidential campaign."

it's not "toeing"? It's towing?

I looked it up -- it is toeing, not towing.

It's dancing up to a line/staying right at the line. Hence, the toes.

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 02:53 PM (8rNrN)

267 Posted by: The Deplorable Mr. Trumpkin at April 27, 2018 02:51 PM (wwd4n

You read the spoilers?

Posted by: auscolpyr at April 27, 2018 02:53 PM (suO/a)

268 I'm betting Groot or Rocket, Dr. Strange (his interdimensional voodoo will probably be key and he'll sacrifice himself or something), Black Panther and maybe the cute science girl friend he has. Spiderman possibly since that'd fuck with people's hearts. Starlord has to die since he's a quippy likable bastard. Drax since he's funny. I'm betting that green/blue girl sister pair die, or one of them dies and the other dies trying to avenge her. I'm also gonna say Vision since everyone loves him.

Basically my theory is they're gonna kill off as many lovable side characters as they can to motivate people to see the second movie for revenge, but minimize killing off the main set since their presence is so symbolic.
Posted by: The Deplorable Mr. Trumpkin at April 27, 2018 02:51 PM (wwd4n)

No way Black Panther dies.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at April 27, 2018 02:54 PM (KUaJL)

269 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX7wtNOkuHo

Posted by: Nelson M. at April 27, 2018 02:54 PM (4fmLd)

270 Yeah, if you look at how many red states are passing late term abortion bans it is absolutely a viable plan.
Posted by: Mark1971 at April 27, 2018 02:49 PM (xPl2J)

...

It's interesting though--no one is campaigning on this. No one is getting elected on "I will enact a 20 week abortion ban".

So it seems to be calculus on the part of the red state legislatures to make incremental progress while to the extent they make statements about it staying true to the message of a full ban.

Posted by: TexasDan at April 27, 2018 02:54 PM (yL25O)

271 Disqus doesn't allow titty, gun and fart jokes.

Posted by: wth at April 27, 2018 02:48 PM

Depends on the site. Site admins can adjust Disqus' censorship rules to their liking... even disabling them completely. You'd be surprised at what gets posted on Twitchy, for example.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 27, 2018 02:54 PM (toi7g)

272 When I get into an argument with my wife she doesn't just comeback with a gentle reposte it's usually a flying atomic leg kick from the top rope, followed up by a pile driver from the top of the cage.

Posted by: Kreplach at April 27, 2018 02:47 PM (UfMVm)
...........

You married a midget Mexican wrestler?

Posted by: wth at April 27, 2018 02:54 PM (HgMAr)

273 Wow, you really nailed it, Ace.

I tried reading Red State a couple of times, but it was so negative about Donny Two Scoops that I never went back.

He's not perfect, but he's OURS, dammit.

Posted by: ALH at April 27, 2018 02:54 PM (uLuPn)

274 I didn't ask for upvotes, and gay aliens. I just want to be able to see what is actually being talked about and able to follow conversations w/o spraining my scrolling finger.

... I need that one ready for prostate stimulation.
Posted by: Alskari at April 27, 2018 02:51 PM (tdVTp)

Speaking for myself, I really like the comment section here.

I think it's fun seeing dozens of side conversations, jokes, etc. flying by.

Takes some practice and mental acuity to keep up with everything (especially when the comments are flying during a big news day or something), but I think it's cool.

...and I even dig the retro vibe of having to do brackets to italicize, not being able to pull in smart quotes, and having issues with full length URLs.

I hope ace never changes it, to be honest.

BUT OTOH, I can see why people don't like it, too.

Personally preference, I guess.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 27, 2018 02:54 PM (F5+ro)

275 257 Posted by: Dr Spank at April 27, 2018 02:52 PM (4e+hS)

Salem prefers their AM radio revenue stream, I think Double Wide Double E was in a position of editorial control of a secondary revenue stream and screwed the pooch.

He is now whining they cut his account off.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 27, 2018 02:54 PM (SzZnW)

276 I remember thinking around the turn of the year that RedState would probably do better if they could just bring themselves to fire Susan Wright. She was so deranged about Trump that every time I clicked on a headline and saw her name in the by-line, I groaned, closed the article, and frequently didn't read anything else on the site.


I felt the same wince when I would see her byline. She was really out there, as far as just being on the other side.

Posted by: ace

_________

She might as well have been Gloria Allred.

Somebody who makes a hiring decision like that obviously is not thinking about readership but simply has a political axe to grind.

Who at RedState/Salem was making hiring decisions like that is what I don't understand.

She probably more so than any other writer was the nail in the coffin that the site wasn't even pretending to be conservative anymore.

Posted by: Maritime at April 27, 2018 02:54 PM (lKmt3)

277
I've never heard of such a thing. If a group is moving too slowly (and I've been behind a whole bunch of them) then the superintendent or the course manager comes by and tells them to hurry up or let people play through.


I imagine the cops were called because of what happened after they told a group of black women to hurry up or let other people jump in front of them.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at April 27, 2018 02:54 PM (lKyWE)

278 @265: Patterico was hired by Red State to be NeverTrump, and he was one of the ones fired today. So his own blog kind of twisted in the wind.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 27, 2018 02:54 PM (ZGrMX)

279 Except there is a huge constituency for Sexton's position. Just not in the context of either political party. This is the wedge issue of our times and probably one of the biggest contributors (thought not the only big one) to the problems dividing this country politically . Both parties are beholden to the all or nothing position while most Americans find late term abortions abhorrent, yet support for a total abortion ban drops off as context of viability, etc. is brought into the equation.

Posted by: RogPodge at April 27, 2018 02:55 PM (EsHMF)

280 "I miss Gabe sometimes."

-------

I don't, had a nagging feeling that he was just slumming.

Posted by: Decaf at April 27, 2018 02:55 PM (/3+Sg)

281 I don't really know jack-squat about the cocktail-party set, smart people, professional people, etc. I don't generally find myself in their company.

But I know this, when it comes to working schmucks and millennial males, there is a propensity to sort of shy away from Trump around mixed company where you don't know where anyone stands on him.

But if someone just opens up and says "Sh*t I love Trump, look what he's doing with (insert issue)! I love that guy!", all of a sudden you can see the gleam in some of those eyes when they realize it is perhaps okay to openly admit you like the Prez.

Invariably, sometimes it goes sideways and you have to debate some SJW female, but thats just a bonus as far as I'm concerned. Still yet, we should openly embrace the President more frequently, it gives courage to the I-Don't-Approve-of-Trumpers to shed their PC and support him.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at April 27, 2018 02:55 PM (w9mM/)

282 265 I wonder how Patterico's blog has gone since he went never trump. I used to read it all the time; now only once or twice since the election.
Posted by: LASue at April 27, 2018 02:53 PM (Z48ZB)

==============

He still comes in on my RSS feed, so I read him from time to time.

Literally the only times he mentions Trump, he's finding ways to bash him. In the (very rare) instances where he has to defend Trump because of what someone on the left said/did, he always ends with "Well, Trump is a poopy head too, Trumpsters."

When he takes direct aim at the left, and only the left, he's not bad, but that's rare.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 27, 2018 02:55 PM (9ZlHt)

283 >>>He's just a regular Schmo like me,

I'm famous on the internet doe!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o1Vu5_5bMw

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 02:55 PM (8rNrN)

284 The goody Trump always reminds me of Danny Noonan sporting his little yacht costume.

Posted by: nsirchov at April 27, 2018 02:55 PM (Ymy4N)

285 >>The logic was: Maybe deportment is important in a president, but is it as important as personnel and policy victories?



Winning matters.

What the NeverTrumpers most remind me of is the snooty British professor in "Back to School" who lectures on the cost of an imaginary widget business, and then Rondney Dangerfield proceeds to explain how things really work.

You do business with the guy who knows how to get things done - Trump - not the guy who talks a great game in the faculty lounge who has never had skin in the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlVDGmjz7eM

Posted by: Lizzy at April 27, 2018 02:55 PM (W+vEI)

286 brb - off to fetch the trampoline.

Posted by: Roy at April 27, 2018 02:48 PM (7n4KQ)


*Strategically positions the bread and luncheon meats*

*Notates with suggestive glances*
Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at April 27, 2018 02:53 PM (Dp6qK)

...

You ....want them to jump on your sandwich fixings?

Posted by: TexasDan at April 27, 2018 02:55 PM (yL25O)

287 It's dancing up to a line/staying right at the line. Hence, the toes.

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 02:53 PM (8rNrN)


It's "being in order". I think it came from the British military ... some military. Troops had to toe the line to be in proper formation.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 27, 2018 02:55 PM (8gDQu)

288

First!

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at April 27, 2018 02:55 PM (mPeei)

289 this blog has staying power

yesterday DanMa'am and I were discussing the Koreas coming together and what good news that appears to be. The conversation turned to Trump and what he was getting done. I reminded her of one of the drop dead funniest themes at Ace was the boner analogies re: winning!

"My boner is so big it can be seen from outer space!"
"Oh yeah? Mine is so big it can see me from outer space!"

AoS, best of the best with a boost from the horde

Posted by: DanMan at April 27, 2018 02:56 PM (XTiHL)

290 Gabe trolled southerners with his 'ya'll' schtick.

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 27, 2018 02:56 PM (QLvwG)

291 It's dancing up to a line/staying right at the line. Hence, the toes.

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 02:53 PM (8rNrN)

I always thought it had a military connotation -- everyone stand with your toes on an imaginary line.

Who knows?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 27, 2018 02:56 PM (F5+ro)

292 Ace: "Personally, the idea of this appealed to me, but it failed in practical reality because I don't know much about anything."

No problemo. Put up a picture of a cat. Or a rock. Maybe just leave it blank. The Horde will fill in the rest. Most won't even notice the picture. We're Comment People.

In fact just take the rest of the day off. Enjoy your life at 29 for a moment.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at April 27, 2018 02:56 PM (H8S+R)

293 "But when I was contemplating the idea of a blog that was allegedly
pro-conservative while simultaneously being against the key player
(flaws and all) of the actual on-the-ground real-world conservative
movement, I realized: This makes no sense."

Can I interest you in a cruise?

Bill Kristol

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at April 27, 2018 02:56 PM (bB4HN)

294 235 The trick is to not believe your own propaganda. Like Barry believing his own bullshit. Or James Comey.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 27, 2018 02:46 PM (xJa6I)

I know it can be useful- historically that is true. The problem is that it tends to propagandize the user as much as the intended target. I wonder about it's long term benefits due to what I said above.

One case I am thinking of: The media pushed Hillary as so inevitable. I think this was primarily to sway voters onto 'the winning side' but also to depress conservative turnout who would never vote for it. They were so successful in their propaganda for their side, that I wonder if it actually served to DEPRESS liberal turnout or make people think they could vote third party because their desired secondary candidate was assured.

I am not saying I do not like the outcome, I am just wondering if this was the case.

There is a difference between being supportive and propaganda. There is a fine line that I think is all too easy to step over.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 27, 2018 02:50 PM (ycWCI)

I THINK the problem is that the propaganda is uncontrolled. The message and messengers need to be focused to be effective. Right now the Leftist message is just sprayed everywhere.

I think this would be a good post topic all by itself. There's something awry here, you are right. Or maybe propaganda is too effective and it circles back around.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 27, 2018 02:56 PM (xJa6I)

295 I used to follow RedState but left when it decided that anti-Trump was more important than the nation and the people who live in it.

Posted by: Joelist at April 27, 2018 02:27 PM

For me, I decide to continue frequenting a political blog if I get the sense that the bloggers are talking about things in a way that matters to me and speaking to me as a fellow American, rather than lecturing me or talking down to me.

And that's really why I have stuck around with AoSHQ from the first time I discovered it years ago and why I stopped reading HotAir years ago.

The bloggers here --- starting with Ace and going through all the co-bloggers --- in my opinion, speak to us on the topics of the day as if we are all friends getting together at a bar and discussing politics. It's an intelligent and informed discussion, but it's also laid back and respectful.

Sure there are disagreements on topics and issues from time to time, but those disagreements are debated in an equal manner. Rather than how things go at 'elitist' blogs where the bloggers are always throwing their credentials and experience and education in people's faces to try to place themselves and their opinions on matters on a higher level than you.

I'm not saying that the bloggers or commenters at AoSHQ are lesser in background, but rather I'm saying that the bloggers and commenters here don't use that to debate their points. Points are debated on the merits.

And I think that is why Rush Limbaugh has been so successful as well. He is informed and speaks about things in the seriousness that they deserve, but listening to him doesn't seem like he's some elitist talking down to you. It's like he's an informed friend just talking about politics with you and making it entertaining at the same time.

I compare it to my experience with churches. I was raised Catholic and stopped going to church long ago when I went away to college. My church I went to back home was okay, but whether I took anything from the mass or not was dependent on the priest giving the homily that particular Sunday. The priests that really got to me were those who could talk to us as if he were just having a conversation about religion with his friends. Those who lost me were the ones who made me feel as if he was some untouchable elitist and I was just some faceless number in a crowd. The former priest would explain religion in a way that related to the ordinary person's every day life, whereas the latter priest would just speak about religion in some general, theoretical way that only he could understand and we were all just lucky to be blessed to be in his presence for him to explain it to us.

So my choice in political blogs for me are the same way. I want informed and intelligent discussion of issues, sure. But I want the discussion from someone who is speaking about it in real-world terms and understands how to apply what they are talking about to how it affects the average person. Rather than from people who just lecture about theory of everything, but who are completely out of touch with how what they are talking about affects the average person.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at April 27, 2018 02:56 PM (7A4qQ)

296 278 Posted by: Ian S. at April 27, 2018 02:54 PM (ZGrMX)

and I hope Patterico lands on his feet, he is one of the old school LGF refugees along with treacher and others....

I wonder how brazen Double Wide Double E was on demanding obedience to HIS views?

Posted by: sven10077 at April 27, 2018 02:57 PM (SzZnW)

297 Curious, isn't it,

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 27, 2018 02:47 PM (7UW64)

FFS, shhhhhhhhh...

Posted by: Mega at April 27, 2018 02:57 PM (A6fVB)

298 Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at April 27, 2018 02:47 PM (dEQP3)

++++

Yes about what it says on the tin. But, it was about voting. That's why it makes me wonder why BC is always saying he wasn't really NeverTrump. IIRC, he literally said the words, he would never vote for Trump. His reasoning was abortion. He didn't believe that Trump was sincere in his change on that issue, so he just couldn't vote for the guy. No matter who else was running, etc. NeverTrump.

Now, I would agree that there are gradations on the issue. There are those who are raving lunatics when it comes to Trump and for whom every issue is a chance to bash Trump. Then there are those, like BC, who have a more grounded reason for declining to vote for Trump. But still. NeverTrump.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 27, 2018 02:57 PM (pvjTE)

299 I mourn for the Red state. It will be sorely missed

Posted by: Lord Jim at April 27, 2018 02:57 PM (Ymy4N)

300 Now that Patterico has lost his Redstate platform, I think he's going to find his blog is going to be about as popular as the average teen age girls blog.

As Ace said, you can't piss all over the conservative movement and expect to have any constituency left. Conservatives will despise you, and liberals will still hate you.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 27, 2018 02:57 PM (k1TUh)

301
Gabe trolled southerners with his 'ya'll' schtick.

Posted by: Count de Monet
__________________

Would that be wrong? Asking for a uh,, friend...

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at April 27, 2018 02:58 PM (mPeei)

302 The hate for Eli Manning is something I never got. Yeah, he looks like a dork in post-game interviews , his aw-shucks mumbling seems out of place in this day of look-at-me! crotch-grabbing swagger. But he won two Super Bowls. He's thrown a lot of picks over the last few years, but the Giants have a shitty line, virtually no running game and a lot of speedy, but low-IQ receivers who are often not where they are supposed to be when the ball is thrown.
Eli is very solid, and near-great.
Also, he's an ironman. I remember arguing with Dallas fans 5 years ago telling me how great Tony Romo was.
Where's he?

Posted by: JoeF. at April 27, 2018 02:58 PM (7uYFy)

303
You Nevertrumps might feel better if I give you a little grope.

Posted by: Tom Brokaw at April 27, 2018 02:58 PM (r+sAi)

304 "The agenda and policy preferences of those that voted for you.

Which he tries to do every fucking day.

No thanks to the useless pile of dog shit that is the GOP.
Posted by: Kreplach at April 27, 2018 02:38 PM (UfMVm)"

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I don't remember Reagan all that much except that he took a lot of heat from the media. Neither of the Bushes lived up to their promises.

Posted by: Decaf at April 27, 2018 02:58 PM (/3+Sg)

305 As a sporadic commentator 10 years ago to now mainly lurking at work (can't even remember the last time I commented consistently, 2009?) Ace will always be top tier because he reads and interacts with the readers in the comments. Most other conservative writers don't interact with normal people (not that the horde is in any way normal). Twitter is a circle jerk for them. I haven't read Red State in years, and the condescension that oozes from some of these guys with minor/poor writing and editing talent made them unreadable.

TL;DR - Ewok > Red State

Posted by: Brenden at April 27, 2018 02:58 PM (Am63W)

306 266 >>>"Salem has previously been scrutinized for its treatment of radio hosts who weren't toeing a pro-Trump line during the presidential campaign."

it's not "toeing"? It's towing?

I looked it up -- it is toeing, not towing.

It's dancing up to a line/staying right at the line. Hence, the toes.



Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 02:53 PM (8rNrN)



This has been discussed on the blog previously. Along with several various claims on the source of the phrase.

I'll say again ace if you like that sort of stuff you might want to check out the History of English Podcast.

Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2018 02:58 PM (cAnNx)

307 Yeah, either a fish or a bird. Hybrid's of the two don't work. It's more practical to be a slave to your principles, than to maneuver for the attainable victories that can be achieved toward conservative ends.

Posted by: TJ at April 27, 2018 02:58 PM (pg6Bj)

308 298 Yes about what it says on the tin. But, it was about voting. That's why it makes me wonder why BC is always saying he wasn't really NeverTrump. IIRC, he literally said the words, he would never vote for Trump. His reasoning was abortion. He didn't believe that Trump was sincere in his change on that issue, so he just couldn't vote for the guy. No matter who else was running, etc. NeverTrump.

Now, I would agree that there are gradations on the issue. There are those who are raving lunatics when it comes to Trump and for whom every issue is a chance to bash Trump. Then there are those, like BC, who have a more grounded reason for declining to vote for Trump. But still. NeverTrump.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 27, 2018 02:57 PM (pvjTE)

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I find single issue voters tiresome in general. They outright refuse to see a larger picture.

In my own case, if I were to have a single issue, it would be copyright reform. Life+70 is a joke, and I know Congress is going to extend it in the next couple of years.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 27, 2018 02:58 PM (9ZlHt)

309 And also, I like it here. It feels like home.

Posted by: bluebell at April 27, 2018 02:58 PM (oMtOd)

310 Another site I never read, except for the rare link from here.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 27, 2018 02:59 PM (OCmih)

311 > The bus driver kept trashing Palin and thus proving that everybody in Alaska hates her.

Most tour bus drivers and guides in Alaska aren't even from here. They're leftoids who come up here to work for the summer.

Posted by: Chicago Voter Registrar at April 27, 2018 02:59 PM (GXOTw)

312 Now that Patterico has lost his Redstate platform, I think he's going to find his blog is going to be about as popular as the average teen age girls blog.

His first act was to announce the firings on Twitter and then grab one of those Trump supporter mass ban lists the lefties compile and put it on. So yeah, he's completely sane.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 27, 2018 02:59 PM (ZGrMX)

313 >>>Literally the only times he mentions Trump, he's finding ways to bash him. In the (very rare) instances where he has to defend Trump because of what someone on the left said/did, he always ends with "Well, Trump is a poopy head too, Trumpsters."

I don't want to say I'm a genius, but I do understand group dynamics, and when someone was urging me to take this kind of anti-trump-but-TruCon stance, I actually foresaw the inevitable of In-Group solidarity exercises turning into Out-Group denigration, and the echo chamber effect.

And given that such a small conservative constituency was actually anti-Trump in this way, it seemed this was a sure route to either 1, losing all audience or 2, finding a new audience by going the LGF route and simply becoming liberal.

Ultimately, though, my immense powers of precognition aside, it was an easy gut decision instead of a cagey intellectual one: There was just no way I could just join the NeverTrumpers in stealth (or not-so-stealth) agitating for President Hillary Clinton.

No.

Fucking.

Way.

I was in an eight year bad mood due to Obama (well not always, but I hated having to see him on tv or read about him), and there was no way in hell I was going to voluntarily sign up for 4 or 8 years of Hillary.

But it's non-binary!!!!

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 02:59 PM (8rNrN)

314 Kari Faux could be cute

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 27, 2018 02:59 PM (xJa6I)

315 Curiously enough ... there is not History of Carrot Chili Podcast. Or Blog. Not even a Newsletter.

Almost like it was a really, really bad idea.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 27, 2018 03:00 PM (fiGNd)

316 This has been discussed on the blog previously. Along with several various claims on the source of the phrase.

Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2018 02:58 PM (cAnNx)
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Now buzz, are you insinuating that ace doesn't read his own blog? Surely you're not insinuating that ace doesn't read his own blog.

Posted by: bluebell at April 27, 2018 03:00 PM (oMtOd)

317 I only read redstate for the same reason I read huffpo... Gotta keep an eye on the opposition. Commentary is the same for me National review is transitioning, I think, to be support Trump. They turned me conservative 20 years ago and helped me find Ace o spades... But here is the difference between the 2 sites. If it weren't for VDH...

National review is good for polite arguing with relatives you like... Gets you just far enough where everyone decides to talk about something else.

Ace is Spades is good for winning the argument outright.

I tell people, I was never Trump until I was never Hillary. I was Carly then Cruz then Trump. Never Hillary. If a conservative aka nominal Depublican, then their likely support for Hillary disqualifies then as a serious conservative person.

And that is redstate.

Posted by: Thesgm at April 27, 2018 03:00 PM (wcE0j)

318 On abortion, so you can get a nice 25 yard running play, a first down or you fail all the time on touchdown passes and are out in three?

Go for the gain, not the optimum. Then you can work on continuing down the field to get that touchdown.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at April 27, 2018 03:00 PM (pw+jk)

319 The problem with some of the NeverTrumpers around here was they simply couldn't let it go. I think most of the Trump support was predicated on the hope he would do some of what he said and that he wasn't Hillary. NeverTrumpers never could grasp that and they kept beating a dead horse over things that didn't matter.

Posted by: WOPR at April 27, 2018 03:00 PM (J70i0)

320 Good Post Ace....

You have one thing a lot of the 'writing' community does NOT have...

Self Awareness.

You understand that writing IS a business... and you have 'customers'.

Never Trumpers think they can sway the customers with their rhetoric... that (like people on the Left have said).. if they only explain themselves better, people would think differently...

That they are (and I HATE the term) ... 'Thought Leaders'.


But in the age of the 'Information Explosion'... when you can find people who THINK like you do, and electronically hang out with them (like here)... people vote with their Feet (or in this case, their keyboards)...

Posted by: Don Q. at April 27, 2018 03:00 PM (NgKpN)

321 He hasn't done anything worthy of impeachment. That doesn't mean they won't do it the first chance they get though.

Trump has disrupted their little game.


Foady Fo Ftagn!

Posted by: Maxines Tentacles at April 27, 2018 03:00 PM (CoKlX)

322 300 Now that Patterico has lost his Redstate platform, I think he's going to find his blog is going to be about as popular as the average teen age girls blog.



With one notable exception. NOBODY wants to see Patterico nude

Posted by: Lord Jim at April 27, 2018 03:00 PM (Ymy4N)

323 I hope ace never changes it, to be honest.

BUT OTOH, I can see why people don't like it, too.

Personally preference, I guess.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 27, 2018 02:54 PM (F5+ro)

Listen buddy I don't go read comment sections to see people admitting both sides have good points.

Now tell me to go fuck myself and I'll do the same to you please.

Posted by: Alskari at April 27, 2018 03:01 PM (tdVTp)

324 You sell yourself short ace.This place could be about movies,comics,music and books easily enough.There would still be politics as all those things have been tainted by the left but it would still be mostly other stuff.As for the NeverTrumpers that left the blog,good riddance.They gave every bit as good as they got and mistly made the blog a miserable place for the majority.

Posted by: steevy at April 27, 2018 03:01 PM (LiyEm)

325 Nice summary, Clyde, and a good point: being preached at is tiresome and it always turns me off.

Posted by: t-bird at April 27, 2018 03:01 PM (gh7cp)

326
None of Trump's faults appear severe enough that we should be energetically trying to throw away our four year stay of execution.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at April 27, 2018 02:33 PM



I couldn't count how many times a week I think this. And it might be an 8 year stay.

Trump stopped Hillary. Trump stopped the Media. Anything beyond that is gravy (and there has been gravy ).

Posted by: Hands at April 27, 2018 03:01 PM (EzdLW)

327 They not only alienated, but outright banned me. Haven't been back since 2016.

I was livid when Trump threw his hat in the ring, I thought all he was going to do was turn the whole thing into a circus. I was right, but not in the way I expected. There were a lot of great contenders, if I was "never" anything, it was never Jeb!

Posted by: clutch cargo at April 27, 2018 03:01 PM (RHEDC)

328 TL; DR...

is there a Cliff Notes version?

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 27, 2018 03:01 PM (ZGkEN)

329 243 ...read the article... then I read this line:

"Salem has previously been scrutinized for its treatment of radio hosts who weren't toeing a pro-Trump line during the presidential campaign."

Toeing? No more copy editors at CNN as well?


AFAIK "toeing" is correct; as in "standing with your toes at the line". What were *you* expecting?

Posted by: Anachronda at April 27, 2018 03:01 PM (v3pYe)

330
And also, I like it here. It feels like home.

Posted by: bluebell
__________________

DO YOU KNOW WHO SHOULD GO HOME?1?!?!!?!?

FOADDY-FI,, THAT'S WHO!!!!

Posted by: Maxine Waters' Hair at April 27, 2018 03:02 PM (mPeei)

331 319 The problem with some of the NeverTrumpers around here was they simply couldn't let it go. I think most of the Trump support was predicated on the hope he would do some of what he said and that he wasn't Hillary. NeverTrumpers never could grasp that and they kept beating a dead horse over things that didn't matter.
Posted by: WOPR at April 27, 2018 03:00 PM (J70i0)

Like the Left with the Stormy crap...

We ... don't... CARE... if a Billionaire F'd a Porn Star...

Posted by: Don Q. at April 27, 2018 03:02 PM (NgKpN)

332 In my own case, if I were to have a single issue, it would be copyright reform. Life+70 is a joke, and I know Congress is going to extend it in the next couple of years.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 27, 2018 02:58 PM (9ZlHt)

Jesus, what are you, an IP attorney?

I mean, not that I disagree with you, but copyright reform is so low on my list of priorities... haha

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 27, 2018 03:02 PM (F5+ro)

333 You can shave a bird but you can't shave a fish.

Posted by: Yoko REO at April 27, 2018 03:02 PM (IqV8l)

334 Interesting that you use Ben in your analogy for this article Ace. A lot of people dont know he was the original force behind Redstate. That is until he made a dumb mistake and became one of the first victims of the Social Media Mob.

I know. I was there at the beginning and it was never the same after Ben.

Erickson destroyed Redstate. Idiots complaining today like that idiot Caleb Howe ran it into the ground with their self righteous I am never wrong bullshit.

Its a shame really. But for the better.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 27, 2018 03:02 PM (FIEUz)

335 Good post, ace, and I appreciate your equanimity here.

It's more than I have.

And don't get me wrong... for me there is only one goal, to be achieved by any and all means, and with single-minded focus: the root-and-branch extirpation of the American Left.

But, from an emotional standpoint, nothing exceeds my visceral disgust for the traitors of the Apostate Right. I constantly have to remind myself that they don't matter, they're the secondary enemy, just the handmaiden of the main enemy, and don't deserve any thought or energy.

I don't hope they find new jobs.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 27, 2018 03:02 PM (AzW6q)

336 Listen buddy I don't go read comment sections to see people admitting both sides have good points.

Now tell me to go fuck myself and I'll do the same to you please.
Posted by: Alskari at April 27, 2018 03:01 PM (tdVTp)

Hah! We should post this on the main page and in the style guide.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 27, 2018 03:02 PM (ycWCI)

337 Oh and the worst thing about the hardcore NeverTrumpers was that they held anyone who thought differently in absolute contempt.We have lots of disagreements amongst ourselves and that is fine but we aren't contemptuous of each other.

Posted by: steevy at April 27, 2018 03:02 PM (LiyEm)

338 But it's non-binary!!!!

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 02:59 PM (8rNrN)


All the Important Choices are Binary.

Zero ... or One. That's it. Or, as the Great Bard once wrote ...

"To Hit, or Not to Hit ... that is the Question".

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 27, 2018 03:02 PM (fiGNd)

339 All these blogs are yours, except AoSHQ. Attempt no changes in commenting format.

Posted by: Count de Monolith at April 27, 2018 03:03 PM (QLvwG)

340 324 Posted by: steevy at April 27, 2018 03:01 PM (LiyEm)

I disagree steevy, I miss Amish Dude.

I told him I was correct and that Trump was the only person who had a chance to stop Grammy H....

he eventually blocked me on twatter when I told him the GOP would not hold the House if Grammy won.

I miss several of the Horde NTs and I do not miss several at all.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 27, 2018 03:03 PM (SzZnW)

341 I for one would go to a GAIINZZZ blog.

If only to confirm my abject failure.

Posted by: clutch cargo at April 27, 2018 03:03 PM (RHEDC)

342 How can you have, say, a New York Giants blog where you claim to want the Giants to win each game but want the quarterback Eli Manning to lose every game, because you think he's "unfit to lead the Giants" and you want them to get a better quarterback to do better in later seasons?

It's fine to want the quarterback replaced, and it's understandable that someone might say "I'll take a losing season to set up winning seasons later."

But you can't also be rooting for the Giants at the same time you're rooting against them.


Good way of putting it. And, I'm a bit tired of people calling Trump dumb and criticizing how he handles things as stupid. He was so dumb and clumsy he was going to insult us into NUCLEAR WAR WITH KOREA!!! CITIES WILL BURN!!!!!!!!1!!

Except, there's unprecedented peace talks and NK claims its disarming.

Maybe, just maybe this stuff isn't as dumb as people think? Isn't that at least a possibility?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 27, 2018 03:03 PM (39g3+)

343 I was pro Trump from the beginning. However, I hated the man until I read his biggest selling business book, "The Art of the Deal." Then I liked the man and the way he thought about things.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at April 27, 2018 03:03 PM (pw+jk)

344 "...I see some of the more prominent NeverTrumpers sounding CNN-friendly notes"

***


Hey! I got some CNN friendly notes for ya!!

**Pull My Finger!!!**


Posted by: dananjcon at April 27, 2018 03:03 PM (xqfqx)

345 Wow.

That was like a movie review about Eli Manning.




Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at April 27, 2018 03:03 PM (8iiMU)

346 sounds more like ace is describing the kirk cousins camps in DC the last few years

Posted by: Kuhyt at April 27, 2018 03:03 PM (Kuhyt)

347
316 This has been discussed on the blog previously. Along with several various claims on the source of the phrase.

Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2018 02:58 PM (cAnNx)
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Now buzz, are you insinuating that ace doesn't read his own blog? Surely you're not insinuating that ace doesn't read his own blog.



Posted by: bluebell at April 27, 2018 03:00 PM (oMtOd)



Well it's been a few years since I last saw one of the discussions.

Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2018 03:03 PM (cAnNx)

348 27 er, also, ace, are you saying that your opinions on this blog are contrived to maximize your readership and ad revenue?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 27, 2018 02:26 PM (F5+ro)


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Kind of how I read it.

Posted by: Seems Legit at April 27, 2018 03:03 PM (U+nHb)

349 327 They not only alienated, but outright banned me. Haven't been back since 2016.

I was livid when Trump threw his hat in the ring, I thought all he was going to do was turn the whole thing into a circus. I was right, but not in the way I expected. There were a lot of great contenders, if I was "never" anything, it was never Jeb!
Posted by: clutch cargo at April 27, 2018 03:01 PM (RHEDC)

You thought he wanted to be head Clown...

I though he might be a Lion Tamer....

Who knew he might turn into the RingMaster...

Posted by: Don Q. at April 27, 2018 03:04 PM (NgKpN)

350 We have lots of disagreements amongst ourselves and that is fine but we aren't contemptuous of each other.
Posted by: steevy at April 27, 2018 03:02 PM (LiyEm)
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Speak for yourself. Have you never heard me on the subject of cauliflower and the dimwits who actually eat that stuff?

Posted by: bluebell at April 27, 2018 03:04 PM (oMtOd)

351 You ....want them to jump on your sandwich fixings?

Posted by: TexasDan at April 27, 2018 02:55 PM (yL25O)

Jump on, knock onto the floor whereby they fall into the proximate form of a sandwich, whatever.

It's the little things.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at April 27, 2018 03:04 PM (Dp6qK)

352 Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at April 27, 2018 03:03 PM (pw+jk)

One of my favorite sections was the one about revenge and Rosie O' Donnell.

Posted by: The Deplorable Mr. Trumpkin at April 27, 2018 03:04 PM (wwd4n)

353 Neil deGrasse It's not rape if I'm wearing the dress Tyson

My new crusade: We are the pragmatists.

Not conservative. That word is gone.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 27, 2018 03:04 PM (hyuyC)

354 332 In my own case, if I were to have a single issue, it would be copyright reform. Life+70 is a joke, and I know Congress is going to extend it in the next couple of years.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 27, 2018 02:58 PM (9ZlHt)

Jesus, what are you, an IP attorney?

I mean, not that I disagree with you, but copyright reform is so low on my list of priorities... haha
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 27, 2018 03:02 PM (F5+ro)

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I get a couple hundred dollars a month from stuff I sell on Amazon that's in the public domain. When I tried to publish a Kipling book about World War I that was still under copyright, I went a bit nutty.

It's more of a grudge thing at this point.

But think about it, Rudyard Kipling has a book still under copyright.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 27, 2018 03:04 PM (9ZlHt)

355
This interface doesn't bother me. You see italics, you know it's a regular. Same with bold, underline, strike-through.

You see none of the above but nothing but misspellings, you know troll. Perhaps Russian, perhaps 300 pound guy living in his moms basement.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at April 27, 2018 03:04 PM (LOgQ4)

356 in 313, I meant that any group that self-selects for membership will tend to become more pure -- or "extreme" -- in their beliefs and attitudes about disagreement about those beliefs, and will become more and more antagonistic to the Out-Group/those holding contrary beliefs.

So I realized that, inevitably, putting myself in a position of a dissenter in the GOP would, over time, turn me from a mere dissenter in the GOP to an enemy of the GOP. An "Internal Critic" will tend to quickly become an External Critic.

A lot of the NeverTrumpers now proudly boast they're "#Ex-GOP."

Partisanship being what it is, and personal bonds mattering much more than dopey rationalists will credit them as mattering, someone always at odds with the bulk of the party will grow to loathe the rest of the party and only find fellowship with the splinter faction which loathes the party.

This is how group dynamics works. This is how partisanship works. This is how societies (on a more micro, or at least mini, scale, like factions in a political party) form and fence out non-members.

Funny how those who always say they Rilly Rilly Understand Politics Unlike You Hobbits and Wackobirds never seem to actually understand the simple basics of group dynamics and faction formation.

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 03:04 PM (8rNrN)

357 Listen buddy I don't go read comment sections to see people admitting both sides have good points.

Now tell me to go fuck myself and I'll do the same to you please.
Posted by: Alskari at April 27, 2018 03:01 PM (tdVTp)

Yourself can, nay!, shall must assuredly become fucked.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 27, 2018 03:04 PM (F5+ro)

358 I really won't be happy until GOP types stop with the "sure, trump is a boorish, awful man with weird make up and so on" disclaimer.

Trump's fine, get over it.

Posted by: Kuhyt at April 27, 2018 03:04 PM (Kuhyt)

359 I legitimately think Susan Wright needs to seek professional counseling. Her 'articles' were nothing more than unhinged anti-Trump rants.

Posted by: DudeAbides at April 27, 2018 03:05 PM (gEPDv)

360 350 You are correct.It looks like brains and smells bad.Fuck those people.

Posted by: steevy at April 27, 2018 03:05 PM (LiyEm)

361
Now that Patterico has lost his Redstate platform, I think he's going to find his blog is going to be about as popular as the average teen age girls blog.


He can always start a cruising blog

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at April 27, 2018 03:05 PM (lKyWE)

362 Redstate is for fags.

Milquetoast at best. Plus the smug.

Posted by: nip at April 27, 2018 03:05 PM (ECLaL)

363 On the abortion issue, I do think most social conservatives have bungled that issue by insisting on purity instead of tangible victories to where it might as well just be virtue signaling.


Something like a 20 week ban is perfect politics that really makes people think about the issue and gets a foot in the door.

The fact that Europe has stricter abortion laws that we do is pretty concrete evidence the all or nothing approach doesn't really work, and abortion is not even much of a contentious issue in most European countries.

Posted by: Maritime at April 27, 2018 03:05 PM (lKmt3)

364 It was relatively detailed and, of course, came down on the "support Trump because of the conservative advances" side of the argument.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 27, 2018 02:45 PM (aFMSC)


It's that darned private sector, always demanding results and never appreciating a beautiful fully articulated theory! - Karl Marx

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Tater is the Latest Gender at the Outrage Outlet! at April 27, 2018 03:05 PM (hLRSq)

365 My new crusade: We are the pragmatists[b/].

One letter off.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 27, 2018 03:05 PM (hyuyC)

366 "I was in an eight year bad mood due to Obama (well not always, but I hated having to see him on tv or read about him), and there was no way in hell I was going to voluntarily sign up for 4 or 8 years of Hillary.

But it's non-binary!!!! "

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 02:59 PM (8rNrN)



I remember back then trying to put together a fund to get you laid. We thought that would improve your outlook.

Posted by: Jwest at April 27, 2018 03:05 PM (/roJx)

367 *fistbumps steevy*

Posted by: bluebell at April 27, 2018 03:06 PM (oMtOd)

368 I still don't get the lesser of two evils nonsense.

I've voted for two Democrats in my whole life, Ed Koch and Daniel Patrick Monihan, that's it.

I probably would have voted for Zell Miller if lived in his state.

Hillary is a non-starter.

Trump was offering a program that was more conservative than any Republican running in the Primary, even more conservative that Ted Cruz.

I know that a lot of people thought Tump was lying and just posing but it turns out no he wasn't as he has attempted to govern Conservsatively.

Remember, it was the GOP who told him that his first budget that slashed spending, cut taxes and balanced the budget was DOA.

Trump is the most conservative President we have ever had.

Posted by: Kreplach at April 27, 2018 03:06 PM (UfMVm)

369 Pappy O'RedState hahaha

Posted by: goodluckduck at April 27, 2018 03:06 PM (rwaEp)

370 ace, dude, lets be real -- your posts could all be instruction manuals on how to install shelves, and it would be weeks before any of us down here in the steerage section of the 'hq noticed you stopped blogging about politics.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 27, 2018 03:06 PM (F5+ro)

371 .and I even dig the retro vibe of having to do brackets to italicize, not being able to pull in smart quotes, and having issues with full length URLs.

I hope ace never changes it, to be honest.

BUT OTOH, I can see why people don't like it, too.

Personally preference, I guess.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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Disqus sucks.

Posted by: gNewt at April 27, 2018 03:06 PM (bN6TL)

372 338 But it's non-binary!!!!

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 02:59 PM (8rNrN)

All the Important Choices are Binary.

Zero ... or One. That's it. Or, as the Great Bard once wrote ...

"To Hit, or Not to Hit ... that is the Question".
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 27, 2018 03:02 PM (fiGNd)

Hit.... Like with a Bat?

Or in a sexual context?

Makes all the difference in the world.

Posted by: Don Q. at April 27, 2018 03:06 PM (NgKpN)

373 Uh oh.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 27, 2018 03:06 PM (ycWCI)

374 Close. too close.

Back to work. Type better than me, everyone. Should not be difficult.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 27, 2018 03:06 PM (hyuyC)

375 I think it's true. I can't say these is any gossip on our prayer list, or in our prayer group but I'm sure it happens. If people have concerns they tell me privately. Here's an example "Cousin Lucy needs healing" brought up in service. Then the person will say to "Cousin Lucy is affected by depression and had to be admitted to the hospital' which I don't say to the prayer group. That may be gossip. It also may be that the person thought I could relate. A leader of a prayer group should keep a lid on negative gossiping.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 27, 2018 02:45 PM (tpDAe)


If you are the leader and someone is confiding in you, that's not gossip, that's your job. If you then tell other people the juicy details for the goal of passing on the information then tacking on "so we should pray", then that's gossip.

Like so many other things, the intent is what matters.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at April 27, 2018 03:06 PM (dEQP3)

376 337 Oh and the worst thing about the hardcore NeverTrumpers was that they held anyone who thought differently in absolute contempt.We have lots of disagreements amongst ourselves and that is fine but we aren't contemptuous of each other.

Posted by: steevy at April 27, 2018 03:02 PM (LiyEm)



Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! You're cool! Fuck you!

Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2018 03:06 PM (cAnNx)

377 But think about it, Rudyard Kipling has a book still under copyright.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 27, 2018 03:04 PM (9ZlHt)

...

Can we do patent reform too? Like maybe not have them?

Posted by: TexasDan at April 27, 2018 03:06 PM (yL25O)

378 343 I was pro Trump from the beginning. However, I hated the man until I read his biggest selling business book, "The Art of the Deal." Then I liked the man and the way he thought about things.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at April 27, 2018 03:03 PM (pw+jk)

Never read his book. I liked what he was saying and the way he did not back down from a fight on it.

I recognized/suspected early that if anyone was to beat hillary, it would be Trump, whereas it was also apparent that Jeb! was the GOPe's designated fall guy.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at April 27, 2018 03:07 PM (Dp6qK)

379 "Depublicans". That's a good coinage.

Posted by: t-bird at April 27, 2018 03:07 PM (gh7cp)

380 Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 27, 2018 03:06 PM (F5+ro)

'bout sums it up for me.

Posted by: The Deplorable Mr. Trumpkin at April 27, 2018 03:07 PM (wwd4n)

381
ace, are you saying that your opinions on this blog are contrived to maximize your readership and ad revenue?

He could always follow the Yeti business model.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 27, 2018 03:07 PM (IqV8l)

382 There were a lot of great contenders, if I was "never" anything, it was never Jeb!
Posted by: clutch cargo at April 27, 2018 03:01 PM (RHEDC)

That's the thing. All it would have taken is for one of the other candidates to seriously run on Trump's issues.

Posted by: WOPR at April 27, 2018 03:07 PM (J70i0)

383 F-em. Jerks. No pity. They didn't just pick up their ball and go home. They tried to burn down the sideline of their "own" team. Good riddance. I was once a regular reader of Erikson, Patterico, NR, Hotair, others.

While I'm here...Ace is a treasure. This post illustrates it. Thoughtful, reasoned introspection. I like to think I have good political insights and those in my friends circle often turn to me with questions. But Ace teaches me things with an eloquence and consistency that is probably only superseded by VDH.

BTW, I've been a lurker for a long time and think that Ace has really come into his own in the Trump era.

Posted by: matty at April 27, 2018 03:08 PM (zQA40)

384 377 But think about it, Rudyard Kipling has a book still under copyright.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 27, 2018 03:04 PM (9ZlHt)

...

Can we do patent reform too? Like maybe not have them?
Posted by: TexasDan at April 27, 2018 03:06 PM (yL25O)

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Patents are still just 12 years, right?

Whatever it is, patents are much less stringent than copyrights. Which makes only a little bit of sense to me.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 27, 2018 03:08 PM (9ZlHt)

385 But when I was contemplating the idea of a blog that was allegedly pro-conservative while simultaneously being against the key player (flaws and all) of the actual on-the-ground real-world conservative movement, I realized: This makes no sense.

What's the audience for that?

--

About 12, but you can confirm with Weekly Standard.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 27, 2018 03:08 PM (7ZVPa)

386 yeah it's all just cynical positioning, except where I say it was pretty easy to get on trump's side when I realized his opponent was no longer Cruz but Hillary Fucking CLinton, or where I elaborated on that in 313...

Ultimately, though, my immense powers of precognition aside, it was an easy gut decision instead of a cagey intellectual one: There was just no way I could just join the NeverTrumpers in stealth (or not-so-stealth) agitating for President Hillary Clinton.

No.

Fucking.

Way.

I was in an eight year bad mood due to Obama (well not always, but I hated having to see him on tv or read about him), and there was no way in hell I was going to voluntarily sign up for 4 or 8 years of Hillary.

But it's non-binary!!!!

Posted by: ace

Nice try though guys

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 03:08 PM (8rNrN)

387 Thanks for this site, ace, it has been an oasis of sanity and silliness.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 27, 2018 03:08 PM (W+vEI)

388 If you are a writer, you have to write what you really think, if you have a modicum of self-respect. And sometimes what you think isn't popular or lucrative.

Posted by: goodluckduck at April 27, 2018 03:08 PM (rwaEp)

389 I would love copyright reform just to watch Hollywood lose about a trillion dollars. Disney would be screwed.

Never have understood why Republicans haven't done that, it would be popular with 99% of voters. All to get some $2,000 campaign check from Disney?

Here's a popular way to strike back in the Culture Wars and they can be bought off for next to nothing.

Posted by: Maritime at April 27, 2018 03:08 PM (lKmt3)

390 If you are the leader and someone is confiding in you, that's not gossip, that's your job. If you then tell other people the juicy details for the goal of passing on the information then tacking on "so we should pray", then that's gossip.

Like so many other things, the intent is what matters.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at April 27, 2018 03:06 PM (dEQP3)

...

I frequently stop people who are sharing details with a "thanks I can probably pray for them better without knowing all that, and I'd rather them tell me if they want me to know."

Posted by: TexasDan at April 27, 2018 03:08 PM (yL25O)

391 Trump is the most conservative President we have ever had.
Posted by: Kreplach at April 27, 2018 03:06 PM (UfMVm)

And any residual leanings he had to his NYC Liberal Democrat roots have surely evaporated as he sees how fast they turned on him

Posted by: JoeF. at April 27, 2018 03:08 PM (7uYFy)

392 The simple truth is, despite Trump's obvious flaws, there were ZERO other Republicans who supported the vast majority of positions I hold. None!

Trump has been a pleasant surprise. Just imagine what could have been accomplished if he had had the support of his own party.

Posted by: Bill R. at April 27, 2018 03:09 PM (IuYIh)

393 I'm not a Redstate reader, may have seen articles linked once in a blue moon.

Posted by: Skip at April 27, 2018 03:09 PM (aC6Sd)

394 Ace, was this post sponsored by Claritin D?

Posted by: Marcus T at April 27, 2018 03:09 PM (FIEUz)

395 I was very pro-Cruz throughout the primaries, and voted for him over Trump in ours. But as I watched the race develop, I not only realized that Trump was attracting surprising support, I also had to admit that Cruz had some flaws that were hurting him in the campaign, and which would hurt him if he got the nomination.

Primarily that no one in the north half of the country can stand him. He still plays great in Texas.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 27, 2018 03:09 PM (k1TUh)

396 I would like to object to using the New York football Giants as an analogy.

I told myself that I would root for whichever football team took Saquon Barkley, of the Pennsylvania State University Nittany Lions, in the draft.

It seemed like a good idea, because then I could keep rooting for maybe the best athlete I've ever seen. But I don't know much about pro football and how the draft works. I did not know that I was going to have to root for the New York football Giants.

But I will. I promised.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 27, 2018 03:09 PM (fuK7c)

397 You ....want them to jump on your sandwich fixings?



Posted by: TexasDan at April 27, 2018 02:55 PM (yL25O)



Jump on, knock onto the floor whereby they fall into the proximate form of a sandwich, whatever.



It's the little things.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at April 27, 2018 03:04 PM (Dp6qK)

Just be sure the little meats fit on the little breads. Otherwise you got a catastrophe.

Posted by: Nigel Tufnel at April 27, 2018 03:09 PM (QLvwG)

398 358 I really won't be happy until GOP types stop with the "sure, trump is a boorish, awful man with weird make up and so on" disclaimer.

Trump's fine, get over it.
Posted by: Kuhyt at April 27, 2018 03:04 PM (Kuhyt)

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Amen.

Posted by: Seems Legit at April 27, 2018 03:09 PM (U+nHb)

399 389 I would love copyright reform just to watch Hollywood lose about a trillion dollars. Disney would be screwed.

Never have understood why Republicans haven't done that, it would be popular with 99% of voters. All to get some $2,000 campaign check from Disney?

Here's a popular way to strike back in the Culture Wars and they can be bought off for next to nothing.
Posted by: Maritime at April 27, 2018 03:08 PM (lKmt3)

==============

Just don't extend it, and Mickey Mouse enters the public domain in less than five years.

Roll it back and a lot of Disney's oldest stuff that they hold onto with a death grip flies away from them.

It'd be fun to watch.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 27, 2018 03:09 PM (9ZlHt)

400 and I'd rather them tell me if they want me to know."
Posted by: TexasDan at April 27, 2018 03:08 PM (yL25O)

That's always a good response.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 27, 2018 03:09 PM (tpDAe)

401
It's dancing up to a line/staying right at the line. Hence, the toes.

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 02:53 PM (8rNrN)


I always thought it had a military connotation -- everyone stand with your toes on an imaginary line.

Who knows?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 27, 2018 02:56 PM



I thought it originated in th British Parliament. Each party stood with their toes up to their line for a vote, or something.

Posted by: Hands at April 27, 2018 03:10 PM (EzdLW)

402 Anyway, it was nice having the energy to comment for just a little while, but I'm gonna walk next door to Subway and grab lunch or something. TTFN!

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at April 27, 2018 03:10 PM (CoKlX)

403 My only theory on Susan Wright's batshit quotient is that PDT really did grab her by the pussy at some point. But then I see the quality of pussy Donny is used to and... nope, not a sound theory.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 27, 2018 03:10 PM (toi7g)

404 Another possibility for someone caught in this trap -- and I mention this because I thought about it a lot, myself -- is transitioning to being a writer who writes mostly about some other specialty and only occasionally about politics.

----

All right, you primitive screw-heads, listen up. This is my AIDS stick. Today we are going to talk about the uterus.

Posted by: Andrew Sullivan (A Mike Loads Mystery) at April 27, 2018 03:10 PM (GGiG6)

405 158 Depends on the context, I guess. My husband has no problem with the fact that I am one...from time to time...
Posted by: tcn in AK at April 27, 2018 02:27 PM (7UW64)

Vid??

Posted by: Martha at April 27, 2018 02:41 PM (Ymy4N)

THIS is the threadwinner!

Posted by: clutch at April 27, 2018 03:10 PM (g1kSs)

406 "I'd vote for Ted Bundy, Bozo the Clown, or Joseph Friggin' Stalin over Hillary."

Welll...Bozo is a no-brainer choice, but the other two, I'd probably have to abstain.

Posted by: RM at April 27, 2018 03:10 PM (U3LtS)

407 394. We've secretly replaced Ace's OTC allergy medicine with rich crystal meth. Let's see if anyone notices.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 27, 2018 03:10 PM (fA1SL)

408 But think about it, Rudyard Kipling has a book still under copyright.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 27, 2018 03:04 PM (9ZlHt)

Isn't "Happy Birthday" still under copyright?

Posted by: JoeF. at April 27, 2018 03:10 PM (7uYFy)

409 That's the thing. All it would have taken is for one of the other candidates to seriously run on Trump's issues.
Posted by: WOPR

___________

Just to show where we were before Trump, Ted Cruz wanted to DOUBLE immigration from Mexico. Literally.

And that was the guy was supposedly too right wing to get elected.

Posted by: Maritime at April 27, 2018 03:10 PM (lKmt3)

410 45 There is a movie about the NYC Giants?

Posted by: Paladin at April 27, 2018 02:28 PM

Yep, I think it was... Madagascar: Escape 2 Africa.

Posted by: King Julien at April 27, 2018 03:11 PM (7A4qQ)

411 Damnit, late to the blog today, so I will comment here about the post below.

This:

"MR. ROONEY: Did you discuss the dossier or any other intelligence related to Russia hacking of the 2016 election with journalists?

MR. CLAPPER: No."


Leads me to this quip:

Mr. Clapper: "It all depends upon the meaning of the letter 'S' . . . "

Because, you see, Mr. Jake TrapperKeeper is not a "journalists", he is a "journalist" [allegedly].


Lying liar lying and parsing plural v. singular. Fucking Hysterical Commie Garden Gnome Clapper.

Posted by: Sharkman at April 27, 2018 03:11 PM (BfOXk)

412 379 "Depublicans". That's a good coinage.
Posted by: t-bird at April 27, 2018 03:07 PM (gh7cp)

Definitely should be in the AOS Stylebook!

Posted by: Don Q. at April 27, 2018 03:11 PM (NgKpN)

413 139 Rob Schneider has gone "traitor" to the left, and is calling out how pathetic and unfunny SNL is now that they've become ultra-PC and dedicated to being the "anti-Trump hour".


Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 27, 2018 02:39 PM (toi7g)

The dam is breaking. Free thinking abounds!

Posted by: ALH at April 27, 2018 03:11 PM (uLuPn)

414 408 But think about it, Rudyard Kipling has a book still under copyright.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 27, 2018 03:04 PM (9ZlHt)

Isn't "Happy Birthday" still under copyright?
Posted by: JoeF. at April 27, 2018 03:10 PM (7uYFy)

============

I think a judge ruled last year that it wasn't anymore.

But yeah, someone successfully sued people for singing that for a very long time. It's why you almost never heard it in movies.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 27, 2018 03:11 PM (9ZlHt)

415 That happened here at this blog, too, as long time readers, on the NeverTrump side of things, felt insulted and denigrated by my own cheap zingers. I wish I could get some of them back

The thing is, them leaving may be on you (or may not) but them not coming back is all on them. They can come back, and discuss things here, they can be part of the group. But they choose not to, and it has nothing to do with any cheap shots you may or may not have done.

They left because they cannot stand the atmosphere of a blog that dares to perhaps support Trump in the comments. That May Not Be Allowed in their world. Its their inflexibility and absolutism that's shutting them out, and its impenetrable, for now at least.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 27, 2018 03:11 PM (39g3+)

416 If you are a writer, you have to write what you really think, if you have a modicum of self-respect. And sometimes what you think isn't popular or lucrative.


----

I want to believe, but there are times when my faith is weak.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Deacon, Reformed Church of the Apopaclypse at April 27, 2018 03:11 PM (roQNm)

417 Yourself can, nay!, shall must assuredly become fucked.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 27, 2018 03:04 PM (F5+ro)

Thanks buddy. I hope you fuck yourself with a cheese grater and have a good rest of the day.

Posted by: Alskari at April 27, 2018 03:11 PM (tdVTp)

418 I read his book on vaco in 99. I stayed up until 3:30 in the morning to finish.

One part where he is totally bankrupt, beyond bankrupt he owes tens of billions. He says to Maples, "See that bum over there? He's worth more than me right now." He then went on to fight, fight fight and get his empire back.

Also the new way he thought about buying air space over other buildings because of the NYC law he had to contend with. Sharp guy.

When he went straight into stopping illegal immigration, I was turgid for a week. I live in Kalifornia and saw what illegals were doing. Stoked he saw the huge problem too.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at April 27, 2018 03:11 PM (pw+jk)

419 There is a movie about the NYC Giants?
--------------------------------------------
The Book of Eli

Posted by: JoeF. at April 27, 2018 03:12 PM (7uYFy)

420 385 But when I was contemplating the idea of a blog that was allegedly pro-conservative while simultaneously being against the key player (flaws and all) of the actual on-the-ground real-world conservative movement, I realized: This makes no sense.

What's the audience for that?

--

About 12, but you can confirm with Weekly Standard.
---------------------
National Review is still pursuing that goal.

Posted by: Gumby at April 27, 2018 03:12 PM (2LelM)

421 Without nihilism, my life would have no meaning.

Posted by: OCBill at April 27, 2018 03:12 PM (iWeVa)

422 -
and I even dig the retro vibe of having to do
brackets to italicize, not being able to pull in smart quotes, and
having issues with full length URLs.



I hope ace never changes it, to be honest.



BUT OTOH, I can see why people don't like it, too.



Personally preference, I guess.



Posted by: Harry Paratestes

***************************





Disqus sucks.

Posted by: gNewt at April 27, 2018 03:06 PM

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Count my vote for keeping the comment system we've got.
I DON'T want threaded comments.


Posted by: irright at April 27, 2018 03:12 PM (pMGkg)

423 All I care about the feathered fish is how does it grill.

Posted by: eleven at April 27, 2018 03:12 PM (+lOpA)

424 Redstate became that place always trying to root out the true conservatives and waxing philosophically about principles. But they could never see the forest through the trees when it came to action or a strategy. That never passed the sniff test with me. It seemed very contrived and fallacious.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 27, 2018 03:12 PM (FIEUz)

425 Supported Cruz in the primary, voted for Trump in the general, it was that easy.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 27, 2018 03:12 PM (4e+hS)

426 Bet Ace's review of Infinity Wars will be shorter.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 27, 2018 03:12 PM (chkoV)

427 The simple truth is, despite Trump's obvious flaws, there were ZERO other Republicans who supported the vast majority of positions I hold. None!"

---it's true. Maybe ted but the DC globohomo crowd had him drifting towards the darkness until Trump made it clear which way was up.

Posted by: Kuhyt at April 27, 2018 03:12 PM (Kuhyt)

428 @395

I liked Cruz as well but as the primary went on his smarminess become too great also his fluffling the 14th ammendment vis-a-vis illegal aliens was the bridge too far.

He's still better than 99.9pct of Democrats but his bullshit during the campaign turned me off of him.

Posted by: Kreplach at April 27, 2018 03:12 PM (UfMVm)

429 I'm still rooting for the Browns, Bander. You can deal. Also fuck you and your Red Sox privilege. Ahem.



Funny how those who always say they Rilly Rilly Understand Politics Unlike You Hobbits and Wackobirds never seem to actually understand the simple basics of group dynamics and faction formation.

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 03:04 PM (8rNrN)


I keep saying that I, a being that is absolutely convinced there was some class on being human that all y'all took and hid from me, am able to understand basic human motivations and interactions then, to pick a name out of the NeverTrump sack, THE Rick Wilson. You know, a guy who gets paid to understand that stuff.

If I can comprehend this, anyone can.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at April 27, 2018 03:12 PM (dEQP3)

430 most blog commentary involves very attitudinal snark and denigration of one's political opponents.
I wave my private parts at Erick Erick Erickson's aunty!

Posted by: andycanuck at April 27, 2018 03:13 PM (VBKy9)

431
I actually have to thank red state. I was looking for conservative blogs long ago, went there said seems ok, actually registered to make one comment, but man the condescension was brutal, so after about a week someone there said some fun was going on at AoS, came over here, never went back there.

Posted by: Tom Brokaw at April 27, 2018 03:13 PM (r+sAi)

432 The CNN story that announced the layoffs was as gleeful as you'd imagine. The ridiculous thing was that they posited the idea of revenue generation by individual contributors as some sort of evil capitalist plot to quell dissenting voices. Well, CNN -- exactly how does your website measure success, if not by clicks and traffic? And how much do you tailor your message to the leftists who frequent your site to salve their anti-Trump hatred? Tell us how many pro-Trump writers you have on staff. Go ahead... we'll wait.

Posted by: red speck at April 27, 2018 03:13 PM (6Krd7)

433 I want to thank Ace for using the Giants - Eli example instead of the Redskins - Cousins example. In our case the only Never Cousins was the Owner and GM, and they got their way.

Posted by: Gumby at April 27, 2018 03:13 PM (2LelM)

434 AWESOME!!!

Posted by: MoJoeTee at April 27, 2018 03:13 PM (qqi3j)

435 Can we do patent reform too? Like maybe not have them?
Posted by: TexasDan at April 27, 2018 03:06 PM (yL25O)

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Patents are still just 12 years, right?

Whatever it is, patents are much less stringent than copyrights. Which makes only a little bit of sense to me.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 27, 2018 03:08 PM (9ZlHt)

20 years.

Umm, but no, absent a constitutional amendment, we're stuck with patents.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 27, 2018 03:13 PM (F5+ro)

436 413 139 Rob Schneider has gone "traitor" to the left, and is calling out how pathetic and unfunny SNL is now that they've become ultra-PC and dedicated to being the "anti-Trump hour".


Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 27, 2018 02:39 PM (toi7g)

The dam is breaking. Free thinking abounds!

Posted by: ALH at April 27, 2018 03:11 PM (uLuPn)


Schneider was posting the "I haven't seen the Democrats this mad since the Republicans took away their slaves" joke after the election.

Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2018 03:14 PM (cAnNx)

437
arrg off tom sock.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 27, 2018 03:14 PM (r+sAi)

438 Well, Ace, we had to ask. And your answer was excellent.

Hillary Clinton? No fucking way.

Done and done.

Posted by: Seems Legit at April 27, 2018 03:14 PM (U+nHb)

439
Hillary Clinton would have by now introduced an 'Internet Security' piece of legislation which would have sailed through Congress to bipartisan support and AoS would be gone.

Only people with actual names, confirmed names, confirmed addresses would be able to comment.

This site, as it is, is just like our forefathers writing under assumed names. A couple of centuries old tradition.

I read before something to the effect 'that only in anonymity can we speak the truth.'

I think there's something to that.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at April 27, 2018 03:14 PM (LOgQ4)

440 Oh. *eyetwitch* Copyright reform. *eyetwitch* Aka the Disney Law. *eyetwitch*

Why, I have no opinion on that.

*ragetwitches on floor*

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at April 27, 2018 03:14 PM (dEQP3)

441 413 139 Rob Schneider has gone "traitor" to the left, and is calling out how pathetic and unfunny SNL is now that they've become ultra-PC and dedicated to being the "anti-Trump hour". "

I look at SNL as more of an exercise in Kremlinology, like reading Pravda more for what's not in it. SNL clearly gets marching orders and has set them up the bubble for the purists.

Posted by: Kuhyt at April 27, 2018 03:14 PM (Kuhyt)

442 >>hat's the thing. All it would have taken is for one of the other candidates to seriously run on Trump's issues.


I honestly believed that Trump was taking such extreme positions on issues like immigration that it would be a cakewalk for someone such as Cruz or Walker (I liked both) to take the middle ground and win bigly. And then....none of them dared stray form the GOPe/Dem Lite positions. That's what led me to support Trump.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 27, 2018 03:15 PM (W+vEI)

443 Umm, but no, absent a constitutional amendment, we're stuck with patents.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 27, 2018 03:13 PM (F5+ro)

Copyright, too. Although not in perpetuity.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at April 27, 2018 03:15 PM (Dp6qK)

444 I wish I could get some of them back -- I miss a lot of them.

Aye, tis true.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 27, 2018 03:15 PM (fceHP)

445 i was too... I was even open to the floor fight maneuver to try to get electors to vote for Cruz.

At some point, one has to look at the real-world alternatives and choose between Trump and Hillary. Easy choice for me...

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 02:48 PM (8rNrN)

Yup, same boat. Same decision.

Posted by: troyriser at April 27, 2018 03:15 PM (qUD5Q)

446 we did have patent reform that fucked up the system even more. There's no constitional requirement of 20 years.

Posted by: Kuhyt at April 27, 2018 03:15 PM (Kuhyt)

447 I thought it originated in th British Parliament. Each party stood with their toes up to their line for a vote, or something.

Posted by: Hands at April 27, 2018 03:10 PM (EzdLW)


Just think of getting all of your troops into line, into ranks, and you can see them all "toe the line". If you need a sort of visual mnemonic device.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Tater is the Latest Gender at the Outrage Outlet! at April 27, 2018 03:16 PM (hLRSq)

448 Posted by: Kuhyt at April 27, 2018 03:14 PM (Kuhyt)

The Soviet episode of SCTV.

Posted by: auscolpyr at April 27, 2018 03:16 PM (suO/a)

449 419 There is a movie about the NYC Giants?
--------------------------------------------
The Book of Eli

Posted by: JoeF. at April 27, 2018 03:12 PM (7uYFy)



And both Elis were blind.

Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2018 03:16 PM (cAnNx)

450 OK, so cynical WitchDoktor is talking.

I remember last election cycle there was the appearance of a preference cascade, where Obama looked to be in trouble against Romney.

In the end, the Left always coalesces around itself.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at April 27, 2018 03:16 PM (tVWQB)

451 435 20 years.

Umm, but no, absent a constitutional amendment, we're stuck with patents.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 27, 2018 03:13 PM (F5+ro)

=============

I never wanted to get rid of patents.

I think patents are actually pretty important considering the cost on can incur on getting a new product to stores (especially things like pharmaceuticals).

My thing is, a written story or even a big movie earns the vast majority of its money in the first year after its release, why does the protection need to go for the rest of the author's life plus 70 years? That could mean that a work is under copyright for 140+ years in some circumstances under the current regime. That's nuts.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 27, 2018 03:16 PM (9ZlHt)

452 Patents are still just 12 years, right?

Whatever it is, patents are much less stringent than copyrights. Which makes only a little bit of sense to me.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 27, 2018 03:08 PM (9ZlHt)

...

I'm no expert, but it's the huge wide open door to trolls on the software side, and the fact that the huge legal apparatus around patents keeps smaller players out--from the cost of filing and defending a patent if you have one, to the dangers of running afoul of exisiting patents you didn't know existed.

I read an analysis, and I don't know that it's true, that Eli Whitney did not "invent" the cotton gin. He took a bunch of non-patented innovations, added some of his own, patented that, and then sued everyone else in the market into a hole in the ground.

Whether that's actually the case with Whitney or more fable, it does illustrate the potential for patents to actually work against innovation. My dad was in pharmaceutical research his whole life and the whole thing is a game trying to file first on new concepts.

Posted by: TexasDan at April 27, 2018 03:16 PM (yL25O)

453 I wave my private parts at Erick Erick Erickson's aunty!
Posted by: andycanuck at April 27, 2018 03:13 PM (VBKy9)



Bawdy.

Posted by: eleven at April 27, 2018 03:16 PM (+lOpA)

454 I supported Cruz in the primaries, with no hope he would ever win the general.

I was close to a never Trump for a while. Two things helped turn me around. Ace's post about how he went from Never Trump to understanding that Hilary had to be defeated at all cost. It really hammered home to me that not voting was indeed a vote for Hilary.

Second, her declining to even discuss her candidacy with the F.O.P., telling them she had no interest in their endorsement. And then having BLM thug Moms on stage at the Democrat convention.

I sorta lost at least one friend when I told her afterwards that I would be boiled in oil before voting for Hilary.

Posted by: RM at April 27, 2018 03:16 PM (U3LtS)

455 440 Oh. *eyetwitch* Copyright reform. *eyetwitch* Aka the Disney Law. *eyetwitch*

Why, I have no opinion on that.

*ragetwitches on floor*
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at April 27, 2018 03:14 PM (dEQP3)

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Sorry.

Have some spiders.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 27, 2018 03:16 PM (9ZlHt)

456 Right after the election I wished some of the Nevers would come back, but later figured out they all really wanted Hillary without voting for her.

Posted by: Skip at April 27, 2018 03:17 PM (aC6Sd)

457 Speaking of patent expirations, both Viagra and Cialis come off patent this year, I think. Cheaper boners for all!

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 27, 2018 03:17 PM (QLvwG)

458 I do not approve of this O'Spades fellow. He sounds like a misogynist and racists. Probably believes in The Constitution. Overall a very deplorable person.

Huma, my sheet, the ball went green do knot, water. SHOES!!!

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at April 27, 2018 03:17 PM (pw+jk)

459
I would love copyright reform just to watch Hollywood lose about a trillion dollars. Disney would be screwed.

To Disney, a "limited term" of copyright is eternity, minus one day.

Copyright for corporate entities like Disney should be like patents, where you pay more money for maintenance as time goes on. So, let's say free for the first 25 years, pay for the next 25 years and pay more for the 25 years after that. After that, it's in the public domain. No exceptions.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 27, 2018 03:17 PM (BWL+E)

460 I honestly believed that Trump was taking such extreme positions on issues like immigration that it would be a cakewalk for someone such as Cruz or Walker (I liked both) to take the middle ground and win bigly. And then....none of them dared stray form the GOPe/Dem Lite positions. That's what led me to support Trump.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 27, 2018 03:15 PM (W+vEI)

All you'd had to do was watch his vids from the '80s to see he was saying the say stuff for the last 30 years, while nobody listened to see that he actually loved America and believed in what he was saying. It was actually quite refreshing.

He was the perfect imperfect man for the time.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at April 27, 2018 03:17 PM (Dp6qK)

461
I look at SNL as more of an exercise in Kremlinology, like reading Pravda more for what's not in it. SNL clearly gets marching orders and has set them up the bubble for the purists.
Posted by: Kuhyt at April 27, 2018 03:14 PM (Kuhyt)

They have chosen to go all-in with the Trump hate. It's on at 11:30 Saturday Night when everyone (except me) is getting laid so ratings are less important than being considered cool by the people"who matter."

Posted by: JoeF. at April 27, 2018 03:17 PM (7uYFy)

462 Ace, I gotta know... why is the comments section
such cancer? Not the actual commentary (well, sometimes), but the
inability to create comment threads by replying directly to people. Is
it just a style decision to live in some 90's layout?

Posted by: Alskari at April 27, 2018 02:42 PM (tdVTp)

I am replying directly to you: threaded comments suck donkey dick.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 27, 2018 03:17 PM (OCmih)

463 Boxers used to have to toe the line to start a new round.IIRC

Posted by: steevy at April 27, 2018 03:18 PM (LiyEm)

464 >>>337 Oh and the worst thing about the hardcore NeverTrumpers was that they held anyone who thought differently in absolute contempt.We have lots of disagreements amongst ourselves and that is fine but we aren't contemptuous of each other.



I think that is just the natural progression of group dynamics due to the echo chamber effect. Since this whole schism began, I urged the Twitter Set to come out of their curated Twitter follow lists and read *other people,* to avoid becoming hyperpartisanized by simple group repetition of dogma and ritual group denigration of outsiders.

that happened INSIDE the Trump bubble as well, of course.

I don't think that NeverTrump got all nasty and condescending on purpose (or most didn't -- for some, that's their only way of communication), but this is just how groups evolve. They get more convinced of their own righteousness and therefore more convinced of the Out-Group's wickedness.

But yeah, being a fairly intelligent guy who is unschooled about group dynamics but who has been observing how they work for 12+ years on the internet, I did foresee this happening, and I did not want to become a liberal. I didn't want personal antagonisms to wind up driving me towards supporting an ideology I find hateful.

People who do not acknowledge the very very big role PERSONAL BONDS AND EMOTIONS play in "thinking," and who claim that all their "thinking" is completely rational, do not get how this happens, because they're sure they're so rational that emotions and personal connections (socialization) couldn't have any role in their cogitations.

I know better; I know rational thought is mostly just a retroactive rationalization for stuff the gut and emotions have already decided.

So I knew that putting myself in a position to be in EMOTIONAL disharmony with the conservative movement could, as in the case of LGF, ultimately result in my making up a post-facto rationalization as to why conservatism is Evil and why all conservatives suck.

I didn't want that to happen, but I do know it can happen. I watched Andrew Sullivan go through this, and I predicted his turn long, LONG before anyone else saw it coming. People used to argue with me that he was a solid conservative; I said "Just watch."

I could see his emotional positioning was against the GOP even if his intellectual position was still nominally with it.

I get, unlike the People Who Rilly Rilly Understand Politics, that emotion is the wind and the sail and that reason is, at most, the rudder.

Many NeverTrumpers are heading to becoming Democrats or liberals or, as they'll call it, "libertarians" antagonistic to the conservative movement.

They will ultimately find that their brain JUST HAPPENS to begin finding liberalism a pleasing ideology a year or so after they've decided on an emotional level they just don't like these conservative extremists and bigots.

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 03:18 PM (8rNrN)

465 *shoves a Hate Shake thru USB port to the Empress*

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 27, 2018 03:18 PM (chkoV)

466 All I care about the feathered fish is how does it grill.
Posted by: eleven at April 27, 2018 03:12 PM (+lOpA)

Grills fine but you've got pluck the damned things.

Posted by: DR.WTF? at April 27, 2018 03:18 PM (T71PA)

467
If you've ever seen some of the documentaries on patent trolls?

It will make you spitting mad.

These people really should be hanging from lamp posts.

Posted by: Maritime at April 27, 2018 03:18 PM (lKmt3)

468 452
Whether that's actually the case with Whitney or more fable, it does illustrate the potential for patents to actually work against innovation. My dad was in pharmaceutical research his whole life and the whole thing is a game trying to file first on new concepts.

Posted by: TexasDan at April 27, 2018 03:16 PM (yL25O)

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When Jefferson was in charge of the patent office he was very very careful about granting them. He insisted on doing research to see if the invention was actually new or not.

I think he granted something like 30 patents in his four years or so.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 27, 2018 03:18 PM (9ZlHt)

469 Never had a kind word for Trump pre nomination.
Kept my trap shut during the general.
Voted for what I considered to be the "slightly less" lesser of two evils, DJT.
Couldn't be happier to eat crow.
MAGA

Posted by: Derptastic at April 27, 2018 03:18 PM (DB16e)

470 443 Umm, but no, absent a constitutional amendment, we're stuck with patents.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 27, 2018 03:13 PM (F5+ro)

Copyright, too. Although not in perpetuity.
Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at April 27, 2018 03:15 PM (Dp6qK)

...But not Trademarks.

We could get rid of those any time.

Interesting, trademarks do exist in perpetuity.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 27, 2018 03:18 PM (F5+ro)

471 "To Hit, or Not to Hit ... that is the Question".
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 27, 2018 03:02 PM (fiGNd)

Hit.... Like with a Bat?

Or in a sexual context?

Makes all the difference in the world.

Posted by: Don Q.
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As you like it.

Posted by: gNewt at April 27, 2018 03:18 PM (bN6TL)

472 You Nevertrumps might feel better if I give you a little grope.

Posted by: Tom Brokaw at April 27, 2018 02:58 PM (r+sAi)
............

Plenty of old man balls to go around, right Tom?

Posted by: wth at April 27, 2018 03:19 PM (HgMAr)

473
Patents are still just 12 years, right?

Whatever it is, patents are much less stringent than copyrights. Which makes only a little bit of sense to me.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison


Patents used to be 17 years from the date of issuance (always on a Tuesday) but that was changed not so long ago to 20 years from the priority date (first filing) to bring it in line with the rest of the world.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 27, 2018 03:19 PM (BWL+E)

474 Woohoo!!! I win!!! Last comment on the thread!!!

Posted by: hot air commenter #17 at April 27, 2018 03:19 PM (VBKy9)

475 >>>462 Ace, I gotta know... why is the comments section
such cancer? Not the actual commentary (well, sometimes), but the
inability to create comment threads by replying directly to people. Is
it just a style decision to live in some 90's layout?

it's laziness but I cannot follow threaded conversations and I hate them anyway. Maybe I COULD follow them if this blog had them and I became used to them (just as I could switch to the faster keyboard layout over QWERTY if I just gave it time).

But currently I have trouble folowing threaded comments and think they're ugly.

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 03:19 PM (8rNrN)

476 467
If you've ever seen some of the documentaries on patent trolls?

It will make you spitting mad.

These people really should be hanging from lamp posts.
Posted by: Maritime at April 27, 2018 03:18 PM (lKmt3)

Whoa dude.

Some of us may be considering a career move to the "patent troll" side of the house.

Good way to make money.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 27, 2018 03:19 PM (F5+ro)

477 459
I would love copyright reform just to watch Hollywood lose about a trillion dollars. Disney would be screwed.

To Disney, a "limited term" of copyright is eternity, minus one day.

Copyright for corporate entities like Disney should be like patents, where you pay more money for maintenance as time goes on. So, let's say free for the first 25 years, pay for the next 25 years and pay more for the 25 years after that. After that, it's in the public domain. No exceptions.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 27, 2018 03:17 PM (BWL+E)

===============

From the 20s until about the 80s, it was 28 years with the optional ability to extend it another 28 years, and that was it.

Let's go back to that.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 27, 2018 03:19 PM (9ZlHt)

478 Another pro-Cruz person here, who switched to Trump. I was never nevertrump, he was on my short list.

Two big things I liked about Trump even when I was pissed at him occasionally during the primaries:
1 ) Fight the MSM (bigger enemy than the Dems )
2 ) The Wall (even if just a metaphor for border control )

I think some of the anti-Trumpers were stuck in the 20th century still, in 2016. They thought the election was another issues election which we could afford to lose honorably; while I believed it was a "that vision thing" election and the country was on the precipice of losing its identity.

I still don't like Trump personally, but who cares? It's irrelevant (and the NT-ers don't understand that) I don't care about whether I "like" my President - I care about sh*t getting done.

p.s. - Mona Charen - that egregious, slanderous drama queen temper tantrum she threw at CPAC still chaps my hide.

Posted by: Hands at April 27, 2018 03:20 PM (EzdLW)

479 The thoughts on offering a product nobody really wants hit pretty hard home for me and my writing. I'm writing the kind of stories I like but I don't know as they have a very big audience. Today zombies, vampires, and strong grrls who are all sad but kick ass better than the boys is the big market. And I just don't write that kind of thing.

And if you want a valid business model, you gotta put out a product people want to read. Personally I figured a book about a werewolf mangling Nazis would be a big hit, but its been not very big for me. So I think its too easy to cling to what you want to be true in the face of all reality. It may even be a really great idea, but not marketable.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 27, 2018 03:20 PM (39g3+)

480 Maybe Jon Taffer needs to do a Bar Rescue version of political blogs .... clean out the cock roaches and vermin .. and give them a clean new look ...

Posted by: E.T. at April 27, 2018 03:20 PM (nzKWW)

481 Patents used to be 17 years from the date of issuance (always on a Tuesday) but that was changed not so long ago to 20 years from the priority date (first filing) to bring it in line with the rest of the world.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 27, 2018 03:19 PM (BWL+E)

Yeah. And since it's supposed to take 3 or fewer years from file to approval, theoretically, nothing really changed.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 27, 2018 03:20 PM (F5+ro)

482 I think a lot of them have begun to understand this dilemma, and are taking some steps towards a "soft reboot" of their political beliefs to be more palatable to liberals. The "Libertarian" half-step will appeal to many.

---------------------------------------------

In a time of normal American politics this would be acceptable career move. However, these are not normal times. The "liberals" are now morphing into "progressives". Which is a nice way of saying they went from "hippies" to "Robespierre".

The Committee of Public Safety never forgets thought crime. There is no way for these NeverTrumpers to find a new home on the other side. Kevin Williamson found out the hard way. Their best bet it to make peace with the so called "Trumpkins" and work out the political differences.

Posted by: William Eaton at April 27, 2018 03:20 PM (MuTTO)

483
The election of Donald Trump continues to be one of the most shocking and compelling political stories in US history.


Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 27, 2018 03:20 PM (r+sAi)

484 What's the audience for that?
--
About 12, but you can confirm with Weekly Standard


Would you like their email addresses?

Posted by: HotAir at April 27, 2018 03:20 PM (gh7cp)

485 473
Patents used to be 17 years from the date of issuance (always on a Tuesday) but that was changed not so long ago to 20 years from the priority date (first filing) to bring it in line with the rest of the world.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 27, 2018 03:19 PM (BWL+E)

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This is why I come to the HQ.

To learn about patent law.

Thanks!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 27, 2018 03:21 PM (9ZlHt)

486 467
If you've ever seen some of the documentaries on patent trolls?

It will make you spitting mad.

These people really should be hanging from lamp posts.

Posted by: Maritime at April 27, 2018 03:18 PM (lKmt3)

If you've ever seen what big corps do to the little guys in the game, you might be just as spitting mad. There are few sympathetic characters in business.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at April 27, 2018 03:22 PM (Dp6qK)

487 475 >>>462 Ace, I gotta know... why is the comments section
such cancer? Not the actual commentary (well, sometimes), but the
inability to create comment threads by replying directly to people. Is
it just a style decision to live in some 90's layout?

it's laziness but I cannot follow threaded conversations and I hate them anyway. Maybe I COULD follow them if this blog had them and I became used to them (just as I could switch to the faster keyboard layout over QWERTY if I just gave it time).

But currently I have trouble folowing threaded comments and think they're ugly.



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Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2018 03:22 PM (cAnNx)

488
it's laziness but I cannot follow threaded conversations and I hate them anyway. Maybe I COULD follow them if this blog had them and I became used to them (just as I could switch to the faster keyboard layout over QWERTY if I just gave it time).

But currently I have trouble folowing threaded comments and think they're ugly.

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 03:19 PM



And THIS is another reason to love ace. No Disqus!

If a commenter wants to "thread" a convo, just refer to it at the top of his/her current comment. It's not hard.

Posted by: Hands at April 27, 2018 03:22 PM (EzdLW)

489 I really believe... disagree with me if you don't... that the Never Trumpers are mostly stooges of the CoC Establishment who mainly oppose Trump because he's a threat to their dream of demographic transformation of the USA.

The objections to his "temperament" and "character" are just after-the-fact rationalization. It's really about his immigration position.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at April 27, 2018 03:22 PM (O7MnT)

490 302 The hate for Eli Manning is something I never got. Yeah, he looks like a dork in post-game interviews , his aw-shucks mumbling seems out of place in this day of look-at-me! crotch-grabbing swagger. But he won two Super Bowls. He's thrown a lot of picks over the last few years, but the Giants have a shitty line, virtually no running game and a lot of speedy, but low-IQ receivers who are often not where they are supposed to be when the ball is thrown.
Eli is very solid, and near-great.
Also, he's an ironman. I remember arguing with Dallas fans 5 years ago telling me how great Tony Romo was.
Where's he?
Posted by: JoeF. at April 27, 2018 02:58 PM (7uYFy)

He's past his shelf life. He should have retired when his brother did.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at April 27, 2018 03:23 PM (RD7QR)

491 If you've ever seen what big corps do to the little guys in the game, you might be just as spitting mad. There are few sympathetic characters in business.
Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at April 27, 2018 03:22 PM (Dp6qK)

Yeah.

"Patent trolls" is often just "code word" for small time inventors who the massive tech companies dont want to pay royalties too.

"yeah, I know you invented this new way to do multi touch first, but we want to put it in our iphone and not pay you at all for your invention, so... that's what we're going to do. See you in court."

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 27, 2018 03:23 PM (F5+ro)

492 Is it the consensus that Trump mostly got elected because of his strong stance on immigration and building a wall?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 27, 2018 03:23 PM (n1b3L)

493 I started tuning out Gabe the day he urged us all to boycott Chick Fil A.

Posted by: grammie winger - Springing at April 27, 2018 03:23 PM (lwiT4)

494 This is why I come to the HQ.
--

For me, it is the dating advice. And other social interaction with humans. And the ethics of using roofies.

I have learned much over the years.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Deacon, Reformed Church of the Apopaclypse at April 27, 2018 03:24 PM (roQNm)

495 488
And THIS is another reason to love ace. No Disqus!

If a commenter wants to "thread" a convo, just refer to it at the top of his/her current comment. It's not hard.
Posted by: Hands at April 27, 2018 03:22 PM (EzdLW)

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Personally, I hate how some people quote other people. It's hard to follow conversations some times.

Also, there's part of my reptile brain that likes to get credit when I start something that keeps going, which can get easily lost in this.

But, that's just me. This place and it's current comment system has a homey air to it for me now. I would never want it any different.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 27, 2018 03:24 PM (9ZlHt)

496 If you've ever seen some of the documentaries on patent trolls?"

---thansk to netflix, we are in a golden age of documentaries. Eastern district of Texas, my ass.

Posted by: Kuhyt at April 27, 2018 03:24 PM (Kuhyt)

497 I honestly can't wrap my head around someone who supposedly believed conservative philosophy and then would turn their back on Trump.

I wasn't thrilled with him when he jumped in, but almost every thing he has done has aligned with those conservative beliefs. Gorsuch was the payoff for my vote, and everything else is just gravy.

I guess the never-Trumpers were just like the GOPe, in for the scam of fooling republican voters, and never actually giving them anything they wanted and voted for.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 27, 2018 03:24 PM (7ZVPa)

498 Speaking of patent expirations, both Viagra and Cialis come off patent this year, I think. Cheaper boners for all!

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 27, 2018 03:17 PM


I wouldn't hold my breath just yet. They've been extended in the past.

There's probably some legislation moving through Congress right now, some 'Save The Children Act' which will continue the patents a couple more years. Because men without boners, paying 100 times cost is a good thing to some.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at April 27, 2018 03:25 PM (LOgQ4)

499 456 Right after the election I wished some of the Nevers would come back, but later figured out they all really wanted Hillary without voting for her.
Posted by: Skip at April 27, 2018 03:17 PM (aC6Sd)

Have to go to work, but:

At this point, it is all about pride. No one likes admitting they are or were wrong. I think a lot of NTs (ok, maybe some) would agree that they misjudged or stepped over the line. However, coming back at this stage would probably subject them to a healthy amount of ridicule. So we are back to pride again.

There is a good quote from somewhere: "Never forget to question the type of Man you have become, for all men harbor the blood of Cain."

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 27, 2018 03:25 PM (ycWCI)

500 threaded comments suck donkey dick.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 27, 2018 03:17 PM (OCmih)

++++

As currently implemented everywhere I've seen, I agree. But, you go back to the newsreader programs for Usenet, some of those worked pretty damn well. The biggest flaw with how threaded comments are done today is you can't tell what you already read and what's new. With the newsreaders, they used coloring schemes to differentiate read from unread. Plus hotkeys that would take you directly to an unread comment.

Done right, it might not be bad. But, nobody does them right.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 27, 2018 03:25 PM (pvjTE)

501 I pretty much tuned out Gabe from the beginning.I mean,he liked the BSG reboot....and Lost.

Posted by: steevy at April 27, 2018 03:25 PM (LiyEm)

502 I like these comments. anonymous, unedited, and they don't move.

Posted by: Kuhyt at April 27, 2018 03:25 PM (Kuhyt)

503 We have just about run out of our special "Never Trump" bags of dicks.

Posted by: Bag of Dicks Store at April 27, 2018 03:25 PM (pw+jk)

504 Erick was a never Trumper all threw Jeb! and the primaries on AM radio WSB-750, and is a HYPER-PURITAN religious puritan (which is yet another reason that Romney lost, besides that he sux...) and Eric hated on anything Trump even past the election, and past the inauguration too, just to get Dem radio (fake?) ratings for WSB-750 in the aftermath of the election for months.
Eric is a Beta-Cuck-Turncoat to all of us MAGA voting base in Georgia.
Good riddance - get a job at MS-13NBC or CNN you squeaky 24/7 whiner of an UN-biased Journalist. Please don't go back to Macon, GA again. ...so sick of you on WSB for SO long....

Posted by: MoJoeTee at April 27, 2018 03:25 PM (qqi3j)

505 I was a Cruz supporter up until Trump got the nomination, then I got on the Trump train.
At first Trump really ticked me off, but I always said that if he was the Republican nominee I would vote for him because I knew his agenda, judges, SCOTUS pick, would be 1000x better than the Democrat.
Realistically there are only 2 choices right now Republican or Democrat and if you want Trump's agenda to get passed etc. you don't vote 3rd Party or the Democrat. The Republicans might make us mad at times, but if they vote for most of Trump's agenda vs a Dem. voting for none of it then I think the choice is obvious.

This is why I will never understand the Never- Trumpers voting for Hillary.
Her agenda is against everything the right stands for. Sometimes I just think it's plain stubbornness on their part

Posted by: redridinghood at April 27, 2018 03:25 PM (PvFoN)

506
Patents also have maintenance fees: $1600 at Year 4, $3600 at Year 8 and $7400 at Year 12. But a copyright is not only nearly perpetual, it's also free.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 27, 2018 03:25 PM (BWL+E)

507 I'm going semi OT and say that Sexton was obviously correct IMHO. You
got to get your foot in the door. This is what Texas is doing.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 27, 2018 02:47 PM (n1b3L)


It's not just that. If you can save one child, isn't it worth saving? And this would save more than that.

How could you fight against this? *shakes head*

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 27, 2018 03:25 PM (fceHP)

508 If you've ever seen what big corps do to the little guys in the game, you might be just as spitting mad. There are few sympathetic characters in business.
Posted by: flounderbot

_____________

It's actually the "little guys" that get hurt from the patent trolls, they don't go after the Googles and Microsofts of the world.


One "firm" would just basically go down the top 100 list on iTunes or Google Play and sue them because they had the patent for something like WiFi and claim they violated their patent.

Posted by: Maritime at April 27, 2018 03:26 PM (lKmt3)

509 506
Patents also have maintenance fees: $1600 at Year 4, $3600 at Year 8 and $7400 at Year 12. But a copyright is not only nearly perpetual, it's also free.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 27, 2018 03:25 PM (BWL+E)

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As if I didn't need another reason to hate the current copyright regime...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 27, 2018 03:26 PM (9ZlHt)

510 Posted by: Forgot My Nic at April 27, 2018 03:25 PM (LOgQ4)

Generic viagra already out there.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 27, 2018 03:26 PM (n1b3L)

511 492 Is it the consensus that Trump mostly got elected because of his strong stance on immigration and building a wall?
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 27, 2018 03:23 PM (n1b3L)

I don't know that there's a real consensus on that or a way to really know.

Personally, I was Trump-curious from day 1, not because of his immigration plan, but because I liked that he
a) did not give a shit. Clearly
and
b) was hilarious.

So the Mexico's sending their rapists -- and probably some good people too comment, to me, was more "haha, that guys funny, I like that." then "yeah! We need to stop those mexicans from raping us all!"

If that makes sense.

In other words -- i liked the balls and humor more than the actual policy positions, which I decided long ago don't mean shit anyways.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 27, 2018 03:26 PM (F5+ro)

512

Sexton pointed out that Europe (most countries, anyway) permits
abortion, but only until the eighteenth or twentieth week. He proposed
that as a solution to the American debate (at least -- as a temporary,
interim solution until there was more support for a true ban).

Ben Domenech made the point that there was no constituency for such a (pardon) split the baby down the middle approach.

And this is why liberals are better at advancing their agenda than conservatives. Liberals are adept at playing the long game. They have no qualms about taking incremental steps along the way to their eventual end game. Piece by piece. Little by little. Conservatives too frequently take an all or nothing approach. They would rather keep the status quo than accept an incremental victory with an 18-20 week abortion ban because it's not good enough; it's not a total ban.

Posted by: Keith G at April 27, 2018 03:26 PM (J1w6S)

513 But, that's just me. This place and it's current comment system has a homey air to it for me now. I would never want it any different.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 27, 2018 03:24 PM (9ZlHt)
...

I have totally given up italicizing quotes in favor of the ellipsis, and this made my enjoyment of the blog increase a full 7.69%, ampersands or no.

Posted by: TexasDan at April 27, 2018 03:26 PM (yL25O)

514 a! They must have thought they were elite or something.


all the elites hang out on twitter all day yapping with the other "elites" who work as blog writers
Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 02:52 PM (8rNrN)


What a waste of a life. All in moderation.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 27, 2018 03:27 PM (fceHP)

515 80 Maybe Jon Taffer needs to do a Bar Rescue version of political blogs .... clean out the cock roaches and vermin .. and give them a clean new look ...
Posted by: E.T. at April 27, 2018 03:20 PM (nzKWW)

Let's check back in with Gordon Ramsey on this episode of Blog Nightmares!

GR: Oh, you have a post about Trump. How's that?

Blog Owner: Oh, it's very interesting. Fresh take.

GR: It's fresh? You're sure it's not just another Never Trump Diatribe?

BO: No sir. I thought it up myself.

GR: Right. I'll have that.

*He receives the post. It's just another Never Trumper screed*

GR: You literally just copied Jake Tapper! There's no original thought here at all!

BO: People love my political opinions!

GR: You don't have any fucking political opinions, you parrot what Bill Krystol said yesterday!





I'd watch that show.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at April 27, 2018 03:27 PM (KUaJL)

516 >>>302 The hate for Eli Manning is something I never got.

for me it was all the times when he was on his own fifteen yard line and with no receivers open he chose to throw to the running back safety valve in the flat (for a gain of four yards, IF it were caught) instead of throwing it away but everyone in the world knew he was going to do just that so the defense just ran right up and intercepted the obvious, pointless pass and after a very fast dash of 12 yards scored a touchdown the other way.

Everyone in the world knew what he was going to do. I knew what he was going to do. The opposition's D-backs knew what he was going to do.

It was the most unsafe pass he could throw, for practically no gain even if it was caught, and he thew it anyway.

Again and again and again. Pick 6 pick 6 pick 6.

It is/was maddening.

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 03:27 PM (8rNrN)

517 If Trump achieves peace with Korea and contains Iran the NeverTrumping logic will go from fucktarded assfuckery to needing to be declared an official mental illness, necessitating commitment to an institution. People that deranged should not be allowed to walk the streets.

Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at April 27, 2018 03:27 PM (+dsLj)

518 This is the only blog I comment on and that very infrequently.

Posted by: MAC SOG and nothing will happen at April 27, 2018 03:27 PM (czkHE)

519 "See you in court."

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 27, 2018 03:23 PM (F5+ro)

And if they can bleed them dry in court cheaper than royalties, so be it.

Fact is, patents play an integral role in funding new tech, to the point where a new tech is probably DOA without at least some level of protection, due to the inability to finance a potential zero ROI.

I am surprised that pro-property rights audience would be so adverse to the intangible property analog.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at April 27, 2018 03:27 PM (Dp6qK)

520
The thoughts on offering a product nobody really wants hit pretty hard home for me and my writing. I'm writing the kind of stories I like but I don't know as they have a very big audience. Today zombies, vampires, and strong grrls who are all sad but kick ass better than the boys is the big market. And I just don't write that kind of thing.

And if you want a valid business model, you gotta put out a product people want to read. Personally I figured a book about a werewolf mangling Nazis would be a big hit, but its been not very big for me. So I think its too easy to cling to what you want to be true in the face of all reality. It may even be a really great idea, but not marketable.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 27, 2018 03:20 PM



I suppose it depends how much you want, or need, to make a living from writing. If your livelihood doesn't depend on it, write what you care about, the stories you think are cool.

Posted by: Hands at April 27, 2018 03:27 PM (EzdLW)

521 Threaded, non-threaded, Discus, or Facebook. It doesn't matter since none of them allow sock puppeting like AOSHQ. The entertainment and wit of socked comments is what makes Ace's place unique.

Posted by: DR.WTF? at April 27, 2018 03:27 PM (T71PA)

522 Nevertrumpers never arrive at conservatism from a reasoned perspective to begin with and they were mostly way too preachy when they got there. To me thats the sign of someone who is a fraud from the beginning. If they become liberals they are simply acknowledging who they were all along.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 27, 2018 03:28 PM (FIEUz)

523
I hate threaded convos. all the indents and crap. can not follow.

I am guessing this might be a "get off my lawn" generational thing.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 27, 2018 03:28 PM (r+sAi)

524 oh, and it didn't help that Eli would stare down the running back like he wanted to fuck him when he was about to throw the most dangerous, pointless pass in the world.

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 03:28 PM (8rNrN)

525 513 But, that's just me. This place and it's current comment system has a homey air to it for me now. I would never want it any different.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 27, 2018 03:24 PM (9ZlHt)
...

I have totally given up italicizing quotes in favor of the ellipsis, and this made my enjoyment of the blog increase a full 7.69%, ampersands or no.
Posted by: TexasDan at April 27, 2018 03:26 PM (yL25O)

=============

What's weird is that I put in the all of the html formatting into the movie post every week, but I can't get it to work in the comments.

Which is weird.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 27, 2018 03:28 PM (9ZlHt)

526 79 Here's my biggest issue with the NeverTrump Brigade:

They are, largely, assholes.

At some point early on they went from insulting Trump to insulting Trump supporters.

Which made people feel stupid for previously reading and supporting what these people had said. Because as it turns out, these NeverTrumpers had as much if not more contempt for their audience as the liberals had.

So it wasn't so much the "we don't like Trump" part that fucked them, it was the "we don't like Republican voters" part that made it hard for them to keep an audience.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 27, 2018 02:33 PM

Bingo. Well said. My sentiments as well.

Posted by: King Julien at April 27, 2018 03:28 PM (7A4qQ)

527 On Election Day, it took me till 4 in the afternoon to decide if I was even going to vote. Couldn't be happier now.

Posted by: grammie winger - Springing at April 27, 2018 03:28 PM (lwiT4)

528 emotion is the wind and the sail and that reason is, at most, the rudder.


You still need a keel or a centerboard or the rudder won't do any good.

That's just sailboat snark, it's not a metaphor.

I was not Never Trump, I was I hate Trump. I've hated Trump since I became aware of him in the early 80s.

But then stuff happens. Like, the two Koreas went on a date and got some light petting in this morning and I think "that's probably Trump".

I am quite surprised, but pleasantly so, that Trump turned out to be good at presidenting. I did not see that coming.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 27, 2018 03:28 PM (fuK7c)

529 467
If you've ever seen some of the documentaries on patent trolls?

It will make you spitting mad.

These people really should be hanging from lamp posts.
Posted by: Maritime at April 27, 2018 03:18 PM (lKmt3)

I remember MS buying the Santa Cruz Operation through a proxy and attempting to license (indirectly) Linux. That really opened my eyes.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at April 27, 2018 03:28 PM (RD7QR)

530 I started tuning out Gabe the day he urged us all to boycott Chick Fil A.

Posted by: grammie winger - Springing at April 27, 2018 03:23 PM (lwiT4)


I'd never tried Chic-Fil-A UNTIL Gabe said that.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 27, 2018 03:29 PM (fiGNd)

531 Unfortunately, there is a class of social conservative for which all other conservative principles are negotiable. As long as we stop abortion, well taxes and borders and all that can be given away, or aren't that big a deal, they argue. As long as we stop those homosexual "weddings" and tranny bathrooms, as long as we fight against communism and tyranny worldwide, well globalism isn't all that bad and we can compromise on regulations.

And that's one group we're looking at here. They are so hardcore on certain issues they aren't even willing to believe someone may, just may be not so bad on their issues, just because they are bombastic, crude, lying, and in the past adulterous and sleazy.

Is Trump really opposed to abortion? I dunno, at least on paper he is, and he is taking tangible, actual action to fight it. Is he opposed to homosexual marriage? Not at all, he's fine with it. He seems to be completely indifferent to how people act in private and is fine with them acting in public as well. That's something some social conservatives cannot put up with.

I'm social conservative to the point that might shock some people here, but I can live with his viewpoints on social issues the president has no say or proper constitutional power over. He can be wrong, as long as he's not wrong in a way that's constitutionally permitted and thus damaging directly to us.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 27, 2018 03:29 PM (39g3+)

532 Never had a kind word for Trump pre nomination.
Kept my trap shut during the general.
Voted for what I considered to be the "slightly less" lesser of two evils, DJT.
Couldn't be happier to eat crow.
MAGA
Posted by: Derptastic at April 27, 2018 03:18 PM (DB16

I love this. There are lots of people in this boat Results from an outsider who wont take bs from the insider elites is a good combo.

Posted by: LaSue at April 27, 2018 03:29 PM (Z48ZB)

533 My hate for Manning is that "so pained" face that he makes when he screws up like it's the receivers fault.

Posted by: Seems Legit at April 27, 2018 03:29 PM (U+nHb)

534
I have totally given up italicizing quotes in favor of the ellipsis, and this made my enjoyment of the blog increase a full 7.69%, ampersands or no.
Posted by: TexasDan at April 27, 2018 03:26 PM



So you won't be visiting ME any time soon? Hmmm?

Posted by: THE BARREL at April 27, 2018 03:29 PM (EzdLW)

535 Serious you guys, on my sacred honor, I love blowing goats.
Donkeys? They pitch and I catch.

Posted by: Erick Erickson at April 27, 2018 03:30 PM (yLFxu)

536 492 Is it the consensus that Trump mostly got elected because of his strong stance on immigration and building a wall?
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 27, 2018 03:23 PM (n1b3L)

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More than that. Trade, foreign policy, etc. People forget the last two sitting Republican Presidents were from one family. Trump is a needed corrective.

Posted by: William Eaton at April 27, 2018 03:30 PM (MuTTO)

537 They don't like Trump due to all of the obvious personal failings.


Which are what? Comparatively? Who is "pure?"

Posted by: dagny at April 27, 2018 03:30 PM (ahV/f)

538 I love the way the comments work here. The socking is awesome.

Posted by: wth at April 27, 2018 03:30 PM (HgMAr)

539 Fact is, patents play an integral role in funding new tech, to the point where a new tech is probably DOA without at least some level of protection, due to the inability to finance a potential zero ROI.

I am surprised that pro-property rights audience would be so adverse to the intangible property analog.
Posted by: flounderbot

__________

I don't think anyone here is against patents.

What I'm against is litigious nature that some firms have engaged in and there needs to be reform.

I'm also against ambulance chasing lawyers but that doesn't mean I oppose due process.

Posted by: Maritime at April 27, 2018 03:31 PM (lKmt3)

540 Is it the consensus that Trump mostly got elected because of his strong stance on immigration and building a wall?

************************

I'm sure it helped, but I think what really did it was pulling the blue collar dems in the blue states that got destroyed by NAFTA. Trump was the only one who understood how badly heartland workers from miners to manufacturing got ass raped by the globalist economy.

Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at April 27, 2018 03:31 PM (+dsLj)

541
It's actually the "little guys" that get hurt from the patent trolls, they don't go after the Googles and Microsofts of the world.


One "firm" would just basically go down the top 100 list on iTunes or Google Play and sue them because they had the patent for something like WiFi and claim they violated their patent.



Posted by: Maritime at April 27, 2018 03:26 PM (lKmt3)



Where do you have the cutoff for "little guys." Pretty sure that Microsoft has had to deal with patent trolls due to stuff with Xbox.

Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2018 03:31 PM (cAnNx)

542 I am replying directly to you: threaded comments suck donkey dick.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 27, 2018 03:17 PM (OCmih)

So are you making an argument that they're better or worse that this?

Posted by: Alskari at April 27, 2018 03:31 PM (tdVTp)

543 I still don't like Trump personally, but who cares? It's irrelevant (and the NT-ers don't understand that) I don't care about whether I "like" my President - I care about sh*t getting done.
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I don't know how you say that. When have you laughed more in your lifetime with a President? He is comedy gold and he's competent.

Posted by: Gumby at April 27, 2018 03:31 PM (2LelM)

544 Now that Patterico has lost his Redstate platform, I think he's going to find his blog is going to be about as popular as the average teen age girls blog.

His first act was to announce the firings on Twitter and then grab one of those Trump supporter mass ban lists the lefties compile and put it on. So yeah, he's completely sane.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 27, 2018 02:59 PM (ZGrMX)


He's lost it so badly that the troll "Mike" seems to share his awkward confrontational style. He trolls his own blog like a fucking retard. I really don't know why the paltry remaining sane commenters stick around unless it's gathering data for a sociology study.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 27, 2018 03:31 PM (y7DUB)

545
On Election Day, it took me till 4 in the afternoon to decide if I was even going to vote. Couldn't be happier now.

Posted by: grammie winger - Springing at April 27, 2018 03:28 PM (lwiT4)


That's me, too, even though I'm in Texas and my vote made little difference. My decision to vote came on the drive home when I realized that Hillary winning would be a catastrophe for people like me (white male cishet producer).

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 27, 2018 03:31 PM (BWL+E)

546 George Will could write a baseball column.

Posted by: JAS at April 27, 2018 03:31 PM (sCN2W)

547 I admit it, I'm a NeverHillary.

Here, Trump, take my vote.

Posted by: Seems Legit at April 27, 2018 03:31 PM (U+nHb)

548 Threaded, non-threaded, Discus, or Facebook. It
doesn't matter since none of them allow sock puppeting like AOSHQ. The
entertainment and wit of socked comments is what makes Ace's place
unique.



Posted by: DR.WTF? at April 27, 2018 03:27 PM (T71PA)

=============BINGO
I LMFAO here and learn things, political, engineering,...

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at April 27, 2018 03:31 PM (pw+jk)

549 Patents are great if you have the money to enforce them.

Posted by: Gumby at April 27, 2018 03:32 PM (2LelM)

550 I'm famous on the internet doe!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o1Vu5_5bMw
Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 02:55 PM (8rNrN)


lol, how I feel about most people tbh
fame and fortune doesn't budge me
character does
and humor, of course

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 27, 2018 03:32 PM (fceHP)

551 For me, it is the dating advice. And other social interaction with humans. And the ethics of using roofies.

I have learned much over the years.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Deacon, Reformed Church of the Apopaclypse at April 27, 2018 03:24 PM (roQNm)


We tend to prefer the "Does this smell like chloroform?" technique.

Posted by: eleven at April 27, 2018 03:32 PM (+lOpA)

552 Generic viagra already out there.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 27, 2018 03:26 PM


But there's an agreement between Pziser(sp?) and that ONE company to keep the cost at about half the cost of Viagra. Which is still about 25X what the cost will be when it actually goes generic.

Cheap viagra will be very good for men and actually women too, though I've seen no research on them. A low daily dose is effective blood pressure medicine for mild hypertension.

But WAR ON WOMEN!!!

The left is always in projection mode.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at April 27, 2018 03:32 PM (LOgQ4)

553 I'm very fond of dick. But I even disagree with that. He responds to attacks, he doesn't start them and then...
Posted by: dagny at April 27, 2018 02:44

--

We all stopped reading after the first sentence.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 27, 2018 03:33 PM (7ZVPa)

554 You know who else did mass firings?

Of course I don't think there was cake in the break room on their last day...

Posted by: Bruce at April 27, 2018 03:33 PM (8ikIW)

555 I'm also against ambulance chasing lawyers but that doesn't mean I oppose due process.
Posted by: Maritime at April 27, 2018 03:31 PM (lKmt3)

So you're against chasing ambulances, and you're against trolling non-patent holders.

Well how the fuck is someone supposed to make money as a lawyer, then?!?!

Probate court?

Family law?

C'mon now!

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 27, 2018 03:33 PM (F5+ro)

556 One "firm" would just basically go down the top 100 list on iTunes or Google Play and sue them because they had the patent for something like WiFi and claim they violated their patent.

Posted by: Maritime at April 27, 2018 03:26 PM (lKmt3)

Hate the players, don't hate the game.

That "firm" likely bought that patent to monetize it. Where did that patent come from, and where did the proceeds of sales go? To the inventor.

That "firm" is just that middleman who was in a better position to monetize the invention.

Real property analogs exist. We call them landlords. Abuses abound in both real and intangible property worlds.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at April 27, 2018 03:33 PM (Dp6qK)

557

aka Baby Manning

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 27, 2018 03:33 PM (fceHP)

558 This is why I will never understand the Never- Trumpers voting for Hillary.
Her agenda is against everything the right stands for. Sometimes I just think it's plain stubbornness on their part

Posted by: redridinghood
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Or something else.

Posted by: gNewt at April 27, 2018 03:34 PM (bN6TL)

559 I was gobsmacked anyone had to think for a tenth of a second whether they would vote for Trump.

Maybe I'm just shallow.

Posted by: eleven at April 27, 2018 03:34 PM (+lOpA)

560 Excrement hitting the cooling device alert!


Rep. Luke Messer
@RepLukeMesser
I plan to nominate @realDonaldTrump for the Nobel Peace Prize. We are seeing unprecedented progress toward peace, and it's a direct result of @POTUS' strong leadership.

Expect co-workers', friends', relatives', and acquaintances' heads to explode

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 27, 2018 03:34 PM (+y/Ru)

561 >>>They are, largely, assholes.

At some point early on they went from insulting Trump to insulting Trump supporters.

...

I think this is largely unavoidable. I myself tried to be nice to the NeverTrumpers on the blog, but little by little, I let some venting out at OTHER NeverTrumpers or the "movement" (such as it is) as a whole, and of course the NeverTrumpers here felt implicated by that denigration (which wasn't just them being sensitive -- if you insult a group someone's part of, you're insulting them), and one by one they left.

Political blogs are by nature confrontational and full of conflict and points-scoring. It's very hard to avoid being nasty to your rivals (or enemies).

And rivals do tend to become enemies. Not always, but most of the time.

That's why I said: Not for me. This way lies madness.

And after having felt like an outsider in my own country after 8 years of Obama, I guess I can admit a certain weakness and desire for society. I didn't like the idea of trading being in a 40% minority opposed to the Obama coalition to being in a 10% minority opposed to both the Democrats AND bulk of Republicans, too.

At some point, one would like to stop being a fugitive and come home.

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 03:34 PM (8rNrN)

562 I am surprised that pro-property rights audience would be so adverse to the intangible property analog.
Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at April 27, 2018 03:27 PM (Dp6qK)

...

The question as I understand it, and I'm really in the shallow end of exploring this question, is for sure one of rights but also one of unintended consequences.

I agree that people should have rights to what they create, so things like NDA's ought to be enforceable.

But removing patent laws doesn't mean there are no rights. It creates, if anything, a greater need to continue to innovate, and to make use of the innovation to push ahead in the marketplace based upon the initial advantage that innovation creates.

It frees up a lot of things--a lot of the overhead costs of patents, both for the one who files for it and others who have to make sure they're not treading on another patent.

I think it may actually levels the playing field and make more sense purely from a free market perspective.

Posted by: TexasDan at April 27, 2018 03:34 PM (yL25O)

563 But, that's just me. This place and it's current comment system has a homey air to it for me now. I would never want it any different.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 27, 2018 03:24 PM (9ZlHt)
*********************
Hot Air use to have a nice homey vibe to it, but they ruined it by going to FB comments only.
Now look at it... it's a joke with very few comments. And they are too stubborn and have too much pride to admit they mad a mistake.

Posted by: redridinghood at April 27, 2018 03:34 PM (PvFoN)

564 Hey we are brown baggin in the conference room.

Oh, also you are all fired.

Posted by: Neera Tanden at April 27, 2018 03:34 PM (pw+jk)

565 Cheap viagra will be very good for men and actually women too, though I've seen no research on them. A low daily dose is effective blood pressure medicine for mild hypertension.

But WAR ON WOMEN!!!

The left is always in projection mode.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at April 27, 2018 03:32 PM (LOgQ4)

If I have to go to war on women, I know what I am packing.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at April 27, 2018 03:34 PM (Dp6qK)

566 Is it the consensus that Trump mostly got elected because of his strong stance on immigration and building a wall?

___________

Immigration : Yes

Wall: I thought was a gimmick but still support

I think trade though is why the electoral math worked the way it did. Had Trump been a traditional free trade Republican, Hillary would have probably won.

I personally have been anti-globalist on trade for a while (at least the way America does it) and I think many Republicans were as well.

Posted by: Maritime at April 27, 2018 03:34 PM (lKmt3)

567 I pretty much tuned out Gabe from the beginning.I mean,he liked the BSG reboot... and Lost.
And hated First Lieutenant Major-Jugs from Stargate Universe !

Posted by: hot air commenter #17 at April 27, 2018 03:34 PM (VBKy9)

568 Personally, I hate how some people quote other people. It's hard to follow conversations some times.


Quoting people is how this thing makes sense. It reminds one of the idea the responder is responding to.

People who say "I agree with 205" assume that other people will go back and see who was 205, which people won't.

You have also now been quoted. Hah!

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 27, 2018 03:34 PM (fuK7c)

569 Is it the consensus that Trump mostly got elected because of his strong stance on immigration and building a wall?

I think that's what got his foot in the door, what made people start to take him seriously as a candidate. But I think what got him elected was at least 66% F**K YOU to the left, by voting for the most politically incorrect, insulting, and offensive person that people could find to throw in their face.

When we keep saying "that's how you got Trump" to the left, its not a taunt. Its a warning. For more than 10 years the left has been getting louder and more insulting and more offensive, and more ghastly and more insane and more shocking and more a direct kick right in the mangerines to every normal person in America, and when people complained, the left said "SHUT UP RACIST BIGOT HOMOPHOBE MISOGYNIST RAPIST!" and when we complained about that, they started fining and jailing people. And when people started to rally around Trump, they started literally sending thugs to beat on people, burn things, and break things. They started riots in cities.

That's how you get Trump.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 27, 2018 03:34 PM (39g3+)

570 Which are what? Comparatively? Who is "pure?"

Posted by: dagny at April 27, 2018 03:30 PM (ahV/f)


Me. Pure Dick. By comparison, Ivory Soap is a Whore's Concoction.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 27, 2018 03:34 PM (fiGNd)

571 Hating Eli is easy if your a Eagles fan

Posted by: Skip at April 27, 2018 03:34 PM (aC6Sd)

572 I love the way the comments work here. The socking is awesome.

Posted by: wth at April 27, 2018 03:30 PM (HgMAr)


I love the way the comments work here. The socking is awesome.

Posted by: Amy Schumer at April 27, 2018 03:34 PM (QLvwG)

573 Is it the consensus that Trump mostly got elected because of his strong stance on immigration and building a wall?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 27, 2018 03:23 PM (n1b3L)


Yes and no; I mean, those are particular details that appealed to a lot of people. I think what really sparked it was the establishment got so rigid, there was excessive parsing of parsings, nuance after nuance, political fights were essentially arguing about the number of angels dancing on the head of a pin while big problems were being ignored.

Trump stepped right away from that dynamic, proclaimed it useless, ignored it, and made big statements about the big policy choices we now had. The Cold War was over, the WWII settlement was dead, we were back to Kipling's World with major powers gaming after each other, not a bi-polar world, bloody borders with savage lands and peoples, trade and industrial issues very important, and so on.

Trump was just the sort of instinctively nationalistic conservative throwback to see these things and address them. The others were all as obsolete as Habsburg Empire.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Tater is the Latest Gender at the Outrage Outlet! at April 27, 2018 03:34 PM (hLRSq)

574 527 On Election Day, it took me till 4 in the afternoon to decide if I was even going to vote. Couldn't be happier now.

Mrs. Chronda had voted absentee, then kept me running errands long enough on election day that I couldn't make it to the polls in a timely fashion. I was pleased, because I wasn't enthused about Trump and simply could not possibly pull the lever for Hillary.

Glad to see that my fears about Trump were unfounded.

Posted by: Anachronda at April 27, 2018 03:34 PM (v3pYe)

575 "But Domenech is/was almost certainly right that as good as that may look on paper, and as interesting as that might make for an Atlantic think-piece (back when The Atlantic permitted heterodox opinions on abortion), there was just no political support for it, either currently or in the imaginable mid-term future."
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Domenech is wrong when he says there is no constituency for a 16 or 20 week ban. Dead wrong.

Sure, pro-lifers won't support it as an END goal, but they'll support it as an improvement.
As joe-living-dangerously points out above (#153,) the left has shown the way on social issues: you move one step at a time. And, sleazy or not, you kinda pretend that step X is all that you want.

But a big constituency for the ban on late-term abortion lies within the pro-choice sector itself. Why do you think the MSM covered up the Gosnell story? Why do you think they killed the selling-baby-parts story? Why do you think, during the whole time that partial-birth abortion was a major issue, not a single outlet bothered to explain exactly what the procedure is?

The pro-abortion set aren't the least bit afraid of the pro-lifers--- and they know that pro-lifers know the score anyway. They're afraid of the majority of pro-choicers who are not barbarians.
(Case in point: in 2000 there were 3 different polls that showed that 80%+ of people who called themselves "pro-choice" opposed partial-birth abortion --- once they knew what it was.)

So there's a yuuuuuge constituency for the 20-week ban.
The only question is how to reach it.





Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 27, 2018 03:35 PM (0jtPF)

576 #567 Off lonely, Farcebook sock.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 27, 2018 03:35 PM (VBKy9)

577 Okay, no attempt at humor, just facts...

The abortion position is one I, a female, hold, and I can't believe I am the only one who can tell the difference between cells which will turn into a baby (end of first few weeks max) to what is, obviously, a baby (end of 1st few months).

If you are correct, simple photographs/scans and heartbeats would drive the point home.

On the other hand, completely agree that you are not a conservative if you do not support a conservative president. One's favoring a W., who is a huge pusher of islam as a "religion of peace,' setting us all up for no-go zones... over backing DT, who would never do that to America, makes one an image-conscious, shallow snob, not a conservative.

Conservatives pride themselves on looking at deeds, not words, such as what O and the PC kids use to virtue-signal with. As for manners, I consider it the worst of manners to push sharia law on my country and to open the borders.

Posted by: Finding tells in tweets at April 27, 2018 03:35 PM (7np6s)

578 -
--

Threaded, non-threaded, Discus, or Facebook. It

doesn't matter since none of them allow sock puppeting like AOSHQ. The

entertainment and wit of socked comments is what makes Ace's place

unique.



Posted by: DR.WTF? at April 27, 2018 03:27 PM (T71PA)

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This also.

Posted by: irright at April 27, 2018 03:35 PM (pMGkg)

579 I can honestly say I've never read an entire article at Red State. I've seen bits and pieces of them over the years. Never bothered with them.

Now they have the free time to keep losing.

Posted by: Anderson Cooper at April 27, 2018 03:35 PM (4ErVI)

580 People who say "I agree with 205" assume that other people will go back and see who was 205, which people won't.

not to mention with the Hamster-driven banhammer, 205 may be a completely different comment. Quote, or people won't know what you are talking about.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 27, 2018 03:35 PM (39g3+)

581 I've always had an uncomfortable feeling that many conservative commentators (especially talk radio and TV personalities) were "flexible" in their political beliefs depending on what that job demanded, and that their polemics were closer to that of an actor executing a scripted part than reflecting deeply felt political commitments.

This article reinforces my suspicions.

Posted by: Jeff Powell at April 27, 2018 03:35 PM (y5/+7)

582 I like these comments. anonymous, unedited, and they don't move.
Just like I like my dates!

Posted by: bill cosby at April 27, 2018 03:36 PM (VBKy9)

583 I've been hospitalized for five days with a kidney infection. Why haven't any of you guys sent a Get Well card?

Posted by: Amy Schumer at April 27, 2018 03:36 PM (HgMAr)

584 >>But currently I have trouble folowing threaded comments and think they're ugly.
.

The chaos of comment here is fun, and I love the sock

Posted by: Lizzy at April 27, 2018 03:36 PM (W+vEI)

585 He seems to be completely indifferent to how people
act in private and is fine with them acting in public as well. That's
something some social conservatives cannot put up with.



I'm social conservative to the point that might shock some people
here, but I can live with his viewpoints on social issues the president
has no say or proper constitutional power over. He can be wrong, as
long as he's not wrong in a way that's constitutionally permitted and
thus damaging directly to us.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 27, 2018 03:29 PM (39g3+)

My guess is that he thinks that horse is out of the barn and immaterial to our other issues. It's not like he can do anything about it and it's not worth the bother and the fake outrage.

My continued hope is that they'd shut the hell up. Doesn't look like they will and will now double down on trannies, teaching fisting in 1st grade and making children "sexual beings" because the real goal is to harm civilization not fake marriage or tolerance.

But yet again, the alternatives sucked. Badly.

Posted by: dagny at April 27, 2018 03:36 PM (ahV/f)

586 521 Threaded, non-threaded, Discus, or Facebook. It doesn't matter since none of them allow sock puppeting like AOSHQ. The entertainment and wit of socked comments is what makes Ace's place unique.


Posted by: DR.WTF? at April 27, 2018 03:27 PM (T71PA)



I really don't think it would be that difficult to do a registration system that allowed sockpuppets.

Well I say it won't be hard but I don't know how difficult coding it would be. But all you need is to have a spot for the comment display name like we have now and just not have it tied to your registered name. Maybe it links to the user profile just nothing at all.

Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2018 03:36 PM (cAnNx)

587 "Quoting people is how this thing makes sense. It reminds one of the idea the responder is responding to."

It also allows people to skip that conversation and follow another one, where the threaded ones act as a road block in the comment scroll.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Tater is the Latest Gender at the Outrage Outlet! at April 27, 2018 03:36 PM (hLRSq)

588

Is it the consensus that Trump mostly got elected because of his strong stance on immigration and building a wall?


IMO, that was a part of it, but I think a lot of people figured if he wanted to do something concrete (Heh, wall, concrete. Get it?) about just one problem that only gets talked about but never actually gets solved, he'd be worth voting for.

Personally, there was no fvcking way I'd ever vote for Her Heinous, especially after her rapist husband destroyed my career and livelihood. The last thing we needed was 4 more years of SCOAMF's "fundamental transformation", which she was bragging that she'd be.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at April 27, 2018 03:37 PM (GdWl+)

589 Hot Air use to have a nice homey vibe to it, but they ruined it by going to FB comments only.
Now look at it... it's a joke with very few comments. And they are too stubborn and have too much pride to admit they mad a mistake.

Posted by: redridinghood

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As a businessman myself, I can't comprehend paying through the nose for something, and then destroying it. It is like buying Hershey Corp. and changing the formula from using chocolate to dirt.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 27, 2018 03:37 PM (7ZVPa)

590 Another big plus for Trump was all the right people hated him. Those included the NeverTrumpers that I always though were just DIABLOs and proved it.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at April 27, 2018 03:37 PM (pw+jk)

591 Ann Coulter is bitchy lately.

"This endless blather about North Korea doesn't feel like Making America Great Again."

Posted by: Seems Legit at April 27, 2018 03:37 PM (U+nHb)

592 It frees up a lot of things--a lot of the overhead costs of patents, both for the one who files for it and others who have to make sure they're not treading on another patent.

I think it may actually levels the playing field and make more sense purely from a free market perspective.

Posted by: TexasDan at April 27, 2018 03:34 PM (yL25O)

Where does the funds come to start a semiconductor or micro electro mechanical systems lab or plant?

If someone could just abscond with your "property," what incentive do you have to innovate, when you can just steal.

Trust the founders. Compare and contrast US and China. Where does the innovation happen?

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at April 27, 2018 03:37 PM (Dp6qK)

593 -
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People who say "I agree with 205" assume that other people will go back and see who was 205, which people won't.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 27, 2018 03:34 PM

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I do. I can't NOT go back and look. It's a weird compulsion.



Posted by: irright at April 27, 2018 03:37 PM (pMGkg)

594 Long time Ace fan, who also reads NR, Federalist, WSJ and Economist. The nevrtrumpers (nT's) got boring, and after some great election coverage RS got boring as well. I stopped reading when they keep wanting to re-run the election.
I do think there are people who find Trump so morally offensive they would never support one they did not respect. Some nT's are like that - and that's ok.
But many others, are policy wonks and it's hard to say you are TruCon on one hand and then attack POTUS even when he does many things that are positive.
But the real problems are : we are at war and the GOPe - Uniparty has so disgusted us, that we are no longer "nice people" who think you win by using logic and a reasonable argument and not getting dirty.
Who would you rather have in a fox hole with you: Trump or Sasse ? Trump would shoot at them, while Sasse would discuss was fighting required ?
I was a Cruz guy, but supported Trump, and support him aggressively when he does good stuff. If I disagree, then I say so.
The fundamental trap the nT's fell into, is that they were locked into a rigid position, they could never acknowledge Trump doing anything well. Worse, there is no future, no possibility for improvement or optimism about the future.
My fear with Trump was that he would do deal after deal with the Dems, instead we were sold out by weak kneed Senate R's and feckless Congressional leadership.
The other problem was where do the nT's commentators go? Attack Trump and you get lumped in with Mitch McConnell and the RINOS and/or the left/Dem media complex.
Unless you are Max Boot and condemn yourself to Benedict Arnold commentary and morph into the unreadable and ignored Jen Rubin- there is no path for nT
commentators. The NR and WS have plenty of them already.
Most of the blog audience are politically knowledgeable, they are looking for snark, insight, entertainment and some education.
Suck on a one note POV and "Holier than Thou" TruCon
gives none of what most readers are looking for.
The Salem folks figured this out, but I suspect they were waiting until mid year - until making the changes.

Posted by: standfast24 at April 27, 2018 03:38 PM (PNFIr)

595 Hate the players, don't hate the game.

That "firm" likely bought that patent to monetize it. Where did that patent come from, and where did the proceeds of sales go? To the inventor.

That "firm" is just that middleman who was in a better position to monetize the invention.

Real property analogs exist. We call them landlords. Abuses abound in both real and intangible property worlds.
Posted by: flounderbot

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I hate both.

The idea that some small company has to pay tribute to some law firm because their company used WiFi is just an extortion racket and everyone knows it.

Adam carolla went through the same thing for having a podcast and someone having a patent on internet radio. They eventually dropped it because they were getting such bad publicity and were being exposed to the general public.

People engaged in this are bottom feeders

Posted by: Maritime at April 27, 2018 03:38 PM (lKmt3)

596 Well ESPN is looking for talent. Wait, what?

Posted by: Regular joe at April 27, 2018 03:38 PM (7PllL)

597
I think some of the anti-Trumpers were stuck in
the 20th century still, in 2016. They thought the election was another
issues election which we could afford to lose honorably; while I
believed it was a "that vision thing" election and the country was on
the precipice of losing its identity.



I still don't like Trump personally, but who cares? It's irrelevant
(and the NT-ers don't understand that) I don't care about whether I
"like" my President - I care about sh*t getting done.



p.s. - Mona Charen - that egregious, slanderous drama queen temper tantrum she threw at CPAC still chaps my hide.

Posted by: Hands at April 27, 2018 03:20 PM (EzdLW)

^ This.
I think the NeverTrumpers were always NeverTrumpers, in that they always wanted an GOPe guy. I don't think we'd see as much BS if Cruz had won, but we'd still see a fair amount of push back from these folks.
These folks always came to the table with: Let's see what we can pass. When in actuality, that's the last step in negotiations. You come to the table with as far as you can with what you'd settle for (most times) and then negotiate to "let's see what will pass."
Trump winning merely laid this plain. You think !Jeb! or Rubio would have instructed their AG to sue sanctuary states? I don't think so. I don't think they'd have ramped up ICE operations. Too "cruel."
Trump's election merely brought out who these people were all along.We've been talking immigration since 1986. We've been talking "Free Trade" since the 1970s. A few fits and starts, but again, from a starting point of "let's see what we can pass" mentality.
And then there's Jennifer Rubin. Complete Sybil personality trait. That's who these people are closer to. Because to give Trump props for anything means that 1) other primary candidates did not run on that policy or 2) Trump is actually getting some conservative policy victories when many of these folks said he'd flip to D leaning policies just for victories.
His victory showed how hollow and shallow these folks had become.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at April 27, 2018 03:38 PM (bB4HN)

598 "political reassignment surgery"

Okay, I chuckled at that one. Insightful post, Ace. I have opinions on the subject, but as I'm not trying to run a website I don't really have skin in the game.

Posted by: Semper Why at April 27, 2018 03:39 PM (q8xNf)

599 I was gobsmacked anyone had to think for a tenth of a second whether they would vote for Trump.

Maybe I'm just shallow.

Posted by: eleven
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No. There's a big dose of "what doesn't belong in this picture" going on with never Trumpers. The ploy is some kind of intellectual exercise when it's actually a big vacuum.

Posted by: gNewt at April 27, 2018 03:39 PM (bN6TL)

600 Sometimes the sock puppeting is LOL, or grown worthy

Posted by: Skip at April 27, 2018 03:39 PM (aC6Sd)

601 Yeah, this place had a pretty big turnover in cobs after Ace came out for Trump. Y-Not, NDH, John E., Gabe...

I like the current crop quite a bit though.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 27, 2018 02:34 PM

As do I. I get into work at 5:30am and count down the minutes looking forward to J.J. Sefton's Morning Report every weekday. It's my daily morning fix of AoSHQ and catching up on political info while I eat breakfast, since I usually don't have my next chance to read the site until after work.

Not only is the content great, but his commentary is always outstanding. Especially since I share much of his opinions on topics, but he has such a creative and clever way of expressing everything that I wish I had the talent to emulate.

The Morning Rant is another daily post I look forward to. When I am lucky, I can catch that during my lunch break.

Posted by: King Julien at April 27, 2018 03:39 PM (7A4qQ)

602 I just come here because I can't put together the dough to go on a cruise with Bill Kristol ...

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 27, 2018 03:39 PM (fiGNd)

603 >>>He trolls his own blog like a fucking retard.

this is what I mean about the inevitable evolution from internal but loyal critic to external, strident enemy.

One's intellectual beliefs will ultimately evolve to match one's emotional outlook. If you don't like conservatives, if you're spitting mad at them and think they're stupid, you will soon begin using the same language as the left in calling them racist homopohbic alt-right Nazis, and then, a hop and a skip later, you're almost fully a liberal.

For all the posturing about being Brave Individualists, most individuals actually like the comfort and fellow-feeling of companionship, and they will find comfort and companionship SOMEWHERE, eventually. If they can't find it on the right, they'll look for it in the middle, and the middle being a smallish place in Current Year, they'll ultimately find it on the left.

This is not really an attack. It's just that we are social creatures and even the misanthropes and loners among us want SOME kind of pack to run with, at least sometimes.



Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 03:39 PM (8rNrN)

604 Whatever it is, patents are much less stringent than copyrights. Which makes only a little bit of sense to me.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 27, 2018 03:08 PM (9ZlHt)

Well, patents are given to things that might become useful parts of the economy. They endure long enough to allow the patent-holder to reap some of the benefits, but no so long as to stifle competition and further innovation. If Edison's patent on the phonograph had endured for 70 years, there would have been little or no innovation.
But if Disney's copyright on Mickey Mouse endures until the heat death of the Universe, so what? You don't need to use Mickey Mouse in your work in order to be a well-paid writer.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 27, 2018 03:39 PM (OCmih)

605 How did they NOT fire Susan Wright? If that's the direction they're going, "Bon voyage."

Posted by: DinsdalePiranha at April 27, 2018 03:39 PM (Uv7n7)

606 Is it the consensus that Trump mostly got elected because of his strong stance on immigration and building a wall?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 27, 2018 03:23 PM

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In some places, but from what I have heard, the biggest selling point for Trump was that he had never held political office before. People are tired of professional politicians lying to them.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 27, 2018 03:39 PM (7ZVPa)

607 Quoting people is how this thing makes sense. It reminds one of the idea the responder is responding to.

People who say "I agree with 205" assume that other people will go back and see who was 205, which people won't.

You have also now been quoted. Hah!
Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 27, 2018 03:34 PM (fuK7c)

Yeah, I feel like back in the day people used to do that more

@205 -- I think you're a pompous prick.


Then we'd all either have to ignore it, or scroll up to 205.

I think this quoting thing is better.

It also makes it look much more confusing to outsiders, who cannot figure out what the fuck is going on here.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 27, 2018 03:39 PM (F5+ro)

608 538
I love the way the comments work here. The socking is awesome.

Posted by: wth at April 27, 2018 03:30 PM (HgMAr)

If the comments changed, we would be in big trouble!

Posted by: Sockpuppets Union Local 1 at April 27, 2018 03:40 PM (8iiMU)

609 I've been hospitalized for five days with a kidney infection. Why haven't any of you guys sent a Get Well card?
Posted by: Amy Schumer at April 27, 2018 03:36 PM (HgMAr)


Amy, Next time, remember to pee after sex. And wash occasionally. Get well soon!!

Posted by: LaSue at April 27, 2018 03:40 PM (Z48ZB)

610 the never-trumpers became ultra-assholes because it was a moral stance, akin to liberal preening.

I think, for example, Charles Cooke got over it. He thought trump would lead to complete monopoly of power in the DNC. And he was exasperated at trump-tards who put faith in trump blindly (thinking of him talking with ann coulter).

But if trump is soooooooo bad that only evil, morally bereft people voted for him....oh I can't even finish that. Clinton. Fucking clinton and her baby p0rn enthusiast adviser.

1. trump was lucky he faced the most revoluting person on earth.
2. trump is now lucky that he's doing a good job...being normalized.
3. trump is also now lucky that the left is full on retard.

so this is how we get more trump, and I am fine. I would just tweak it here and there. Identify and isolate resist judges and fire everyone, force the D's to really filibuster.

Posted by: Kuhyt at April 27, 2018 03:40 PM (Kuhyt)

611 EM TATERTOT FOADDY-FI!!!

Posted by: William Kristol, Editor At Large at April 27, 2018 03:40 PM (2Mnv1)

612 The fact that Trump is not of D.C. makes him successful.

They don't get shit done because, "That's not the way we do things around here."

Yea, that's gotten us where we don't want to be.

Posted by: Seems Legit at April 27, 2018 03:40 PM (U+nHb)

613 Posted by: Maritime at April 27, 2018 03:38 PM (lKmt3)

Carolla did yeoman's work in defeating the patent troll. They didn't expect he was going to fight back.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 27, 2018 03:41 PM (n1b3L)

614 I think a lot of these writers are trolls on other blogs or websites.

Posted by: MAGA at April 27, 2018 03:41 PM (Aymh2)

615 >>>593 -
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People who say "I agree with 205" assume that other people will go back and see who was 205, which people won't.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 27, 2018 03:34 PM

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I do. I can't NOT go back and look. It's a weird compulsion.

...

I do too. (Assuming I'm interested in that conversation.)

Put 205 into your search or find field-- not too hard!

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 03:41 PM (8rNrN)

616 I don't think we'd see as much BS if Cruz had won, but we'd still see a fair amount of push back from these folks.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at April 27, 2018 03:38 PM (bB4HN)
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And we would see Cruz Molly coddling them.

Posted by: gNewt at April 27, 2018 03:41 PM (bN6TL)

617

The left as described by Tammy Bruce on Tucker's show.

Worth a listen. Astute. Tammy is spot on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5Upn7p1eZQ

If you haven't listened to this, you should listen to the entire piece. We know most of this, but she has a way of really explaining it.

Malignant narcissism. Kind of goes with the topic.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 27, 2018 03:41 PM (fceHP)

618 >>Another big plus for Trump was all the right people hated him. Those included the NeverTrumpers that I always though were just DIABLOs and proved it.


What got me was how much he made me giggle at his rallies because he would just go there - say the things no other politician or media/entertainment person would dare say in public.

And he was hitting the nail on the head when he did this, such as the Hillary/Huma/Weiner thing. and Mexico sending us their criminals.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 27, 2018 03:41 PM (W+vEI)

619 I hate both.

The idea that some small company has to pay tribute to some law firm because their company used WiFi is just an extortion racket and everyone knows it.

Adam carolla went through the same thing for having a podcast and someone having a patent on internet radio. They eventually dropped it because they were getting such bad publicity and were being exposed to the general public.

People engaged in this are bottom feeders

Posted by: Maritime at April 27, 2018 03:38 PM (lKmt3)

You are hating the players, not everyone looks at it as extortion, and Corolla played the game better.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at April 27, 2018 03:41 PM (Dp6qK)

620 I have a feeling that The Atlantic is going to get tens of CVs today.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at April 27, 2018 03:41 PM (pw+jk)

621 People who say "I agree with 205" assume that other people will go back and see who was 205,

--

I can't even bring myself to Ctrl-F to find the comment. I keep scrolling

and scrolling
and scrolling
and scrolling

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - at April 27, 2018 03:41 PM (roQNm)

622 The only person that likes you Eric Errorson at WSB is [REDACTED, and REDACTED]. Those 2 moderates are not even considered liberals.
Maybe Eric could get a more synergistic job under Mike Malloy these days?


Posted by: MoJoeTee at April 27, 2018 03:41 PM (qqi3j)

623 I love the way the comments work here. The socking is awesome.

Posted by: wth at April 27, 2018 03:30 PM (HgMAr)


I love the way the comments work here. The socking is awesome.

Posted by: Amy Schumer at April 27, 2018 03:34 PM


IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE AMY SCHUMER ALWAYS STEALS FROM OTHERS MATERIAL! MY HEAD HURTS AND I WANT TO THROW A 120 YARD PASS.

Posted by: BEN BROTHELSBURGER at April 27, 2018 03:41 PM (LOgQ4)

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at April 27, 2018 03:42 PM (Dp6qK)

625
I didn't do that!
It wasn't me!

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - at April 27, 2018 03:42 PM (roQNm)

626 But, but but....... we could all have cute little avatars and a like button.

Posted by: wth at April 27, 2018 03:42 PM (HgMAr)

627 Who puked in the barrel? Nasty hordlings.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at April 27, 2018 03:42 PM (Dp6qK)

628 flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner


report to the barrel.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at April 27, 2018 03:42 PM (pw+jk)

629 The fundamental trap the nT's fell into, is that they were locked into a rigid position, they could never acknowledge Trump doing anything well. Worse, there is no future, no possibility for improvement or optimism about the future.

And for many - not all, but most, I think - even when they grudgingly and reluctantly admit he did something they don't entirely hate, they are holding on to it to mock later when it doesn't turn out 100% perfectly. "But Gorsuch!" is a classic example. They know he's a great pick, they thought so at the time, they long felt the guy belonged on the SCOTUS. But their spite for Trump makes them attack the man and anyone who mentions it, because they cannot back down even an inch, not a millimeter.

And that kind of inflexibility is... not just arrogant but foolishly, self-destructively so.

There are things that I will never back down from, but they aren't my ideas that are about my ego. They are about basic moral truths revealed by God.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 27, 2018 03:42 PM (39g3+)

630
Come to me. Bwahahahaha

Posted by: THE BARREL at April 27, 2018 03:42 PM (EzdLW)

631 This is not really an attack. It's just that we are social creatures and even the misanthropes and loners among us want SOME kind of pack to run with, at least sometimes.

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 03:39 PM (8rNrN)


Ahoy !!!

Posted by: Bill K - Cruise Director at April 27, 2018 03:42 PM (fiGNd)

632 Which are what? Comparatively? Who is "pure?"
Posted by: dagny at April 27, 2018 03:30 PM (ahV/f)

I'm not saying anyone is pure but Trump is known for infidelity, braggadocio, pride, vainglory, and greed. Now, is he any worse about any of that than, say, me? Nope. But it is not precisely known for being a paragon of virtue.

Which is fine by me, I'm voting for a politician, not a pastor.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at April 27, 2018 03:42 PM (dEQP3)

633 Quoting people is how this thing makes sense. It reminds one of the idea the responder is responding to.

People who say "I agree with 205" assume that other people will go back and see who was 205, which people won't.

You have also now been quoted. Hah!
Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 27, 2018 03:34 PM (fuK7c)


I used to just quote the comment number until someone said it was very annoying. So now I quote. But still I havent mastered italics or even apostrophes. (And smart quotes is off !)

Posted by: LaSue at April 27, 2018 03:43 PM (Z48ZB)

634 Cheap viagra will be very good for men and actually women too, though I've seen no research on them. A low daily dose is effective blood pressure medicine for mild hypertension.


Wasn't that originally the purpose of the drug. And then the testers kept mentioning how they were popping boners.

Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2018 03:43 PM (cAnNx)

635 I wonder how Jonah Goldberg's new book is selling now that he has pissed-off his readership.

I am not going to buy it.

Posted by: JAS at April 27, 2018 03:43 PM (sCN2W)

636 Even the comment screw-ups are funny

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 27, 2018 03:43 PM (7ZVPa)

637 If you're going to the barrel, might as well go boldly

Posted by: Hands at April 27, 2018 03:43 PM (EzdLW)

638 Hot Air use to have a nice homey vibe to it, but they ruined it by going to FB comments only.
Now look at it... it's a joke with very few comments. And they are too stubborn and have too much pride to admit they mad a mistake.
Posted by: redridinghood at April 27, 2018 03:34 PM (PvFoN)


I think it went to hell in 2009, coincidentally right after I found one of their enrollment windows, and AllahPander and Poppin started treating the trolls better than the regulars. So I just stopped going there as I did with LGF. Life's too short to waste it trolling dumbasses.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 27, 2018 03:43 PM (y7DUB)

639 I thought Trump was a buffoon around the time he announced, then my parents were suddenly sending me memes about Trump converting the WH into a Trump Tower clone and I was thinking they want Trump, huh? Then I watched Trump give a speech in front on an aircraft carrier, and thought wow, he actually made.... sense.

I started doing research and came to realize a lot of my perception about Trump was based on hit pieces and fake news. Didn't mean he hadn't said stupid things before or said things I disagreed with, but a lot of how it was reported seemed overly inflated to me. It went from there to listening more and more and becoming full MAGA and trolling leftist people I hate by referring to him as God Emperor Trump.

It's also telling to me, despite accepting that he's had a lurid and weird history with women, that after 2 years of some of the most exhaustive intensive investigations by deep state and media the worst they could find was that he paid off a porn star through his lawyer and likes consensual pussy grabbing.

All the hit pieces now are innuendo and pointless cheap shots, such as HuffPo reporting that he didn't buy his wife a birthday present because he was too busy tweeting about Kanye.



Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at April 27, 2018 03:43 PM (+dsLj)

640 You don't need to use Mickey Mouse in your work in order to be a well-paid writer.


Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 27, 2018 03:39 PM (OCmih)

Well, I do.

Posted by: Aspiring Pron Writer at April 27, 2018 03:43 PM (QLvwG)

641 610 the never-trumpers became ultra-assholes because it was a moral stance, akin to liberal preening.

Okay true, but honestly, if we're being honest, aren't we all kind of guilty of that?

I mean, I agree with you, but I'm wondering if I just NOTICE the assholish moral preening of the NTers because I disagree with it, whereas, for example, Tucker Carlson might do some assholish preening and I laugh and clap at it because I agree.

Isn't it true that someone's flaws seem fairly invisible to you if you like that person, and then seem very prominent and egregious once you start hating them?

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 03:43 PM (8rNrN)

642 "309 And also, I like it here. It feels like home.

Posted by: bluebell at April 27, 2018 02:58 PM (oMtOd)"

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For me too. You can make the bed if you like or you can stay in pajamas all day. Too bad I still work full time.

Posted by: Decaf at April 27, 2018 03:43 PM (/3+Sg)

643 I do think there are people who find Trump so morally offensive they
would never support one they did not respect. Some nT's are like that -
and that's ok.



Which morals? His divorces and new marriages? What exactly is the "morals" they have and he does not? They dislike divorce but they're ok (many of them esp NR) ok with gay marriage?

Again, what "morals?" Specifically.

Posted by: dagny at April 27, 2018 03:44 PM (ahV/f)

644 624 my tablet or Pixy won't let me do that, I get the comment sent "Try writing something, stupid" or something like that.

Posted by: Skip at April 27, 2018 03:44 PM (aC6Sd)

645 406 "I'd vote for Ted Bundy, Bozo the Clown, or Joseph Friggin' Stalin over Hillary."

Q. Say you're in a fantasy world, and you step into a room, and suddenly find yourself face to face with Ted Bundy, Joseph Stalin, and Hillary. Luckily you have the only gun, but you've only got two bullets. Who do you shoot?

A. Hillary, Twice, just to make sure.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 27, 2018 03:44 PM (k1TUh)

646 I don't think we'd see as much BS if Cruz had won, but we'd still see a fair amount of push back from these folks.

The left would be just as berserk, but there wouldn't be "NeverCruzers" out there. They could tolerate him, even if they think he's craaazy.

But the left, they are like this because they could just TASTE the final victory, the total takeover of the country, it was just THIS CLOSE. Its like almost orgasming then someone hits you with a taser.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 27, 2018 03:44 PM (39g3+)

647 Great post Ace, I hope it means you got relief for your eye woes. If not the see an eye doc suggestion seems very good to me. Especially since you had eye surgery a couple of years ago IIRC and now have itchy eye allergy systems in spring. Other than that I got nothing. Never Trumpers were already boring to me in Oct 2016, the audience for it now 18 months later has got to be tiny.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at April 27, 2018 03:44 PM (eASYU)

648 That's not puke in The Barrel, it's digestive juices.

It's ALIVE!

Posted by: Mad Scientist at April 27, 2018 03:44 PM (A3edJ)

649 581 I've always had an uncomfortable feeling that many conservative commentators (especially talk radio and TV personalities) were "flexible" in their political beliefs depending on what that job demanded, and that their polemics were closer to that of an actor executing a scripted part than reflecting deeply felt political commitments.

This article reinforces my suspicions.
Posted by: Jeff Powell at April 27, 2018 03:35 PM (y5/+7)


Yes.

Shockingly, Jeff, it's true.

Here's another shocker for you -- reality TV isn't real, talking heads aren't just giving their opinions, and late night comedians aren't just up there hanging out and telling jokes.


Sigh. Yes, my friend, there is much, much deceit out there in the world of entertainment.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 27, 2018 03:45 PM (F5+ro)

650 NeverTrumps do not exist in nature. Only in the rarified environs of DC and the media.

Posted by: Regular joe at April 27, 2018 03:45 PM (7PllL)

651 Screw RedState. They deserve to go belly up. I just wish Erik the Red was still running the joint for him to endure some pain.

Posted by: Corned Beef and Chlorine at April 27, 2018 03:45 PM (EracK)

652 Correct.

It's fun to say, "He/She may be an asshole but at least he's our moral preening asshole!"

Posted by: Seems Legit at April 27, 2018 03:45 PM (U+nHb)

653 I also don't understand nominally conservative people who favored Hillary over Trump. Best I can figure, they still think the Left mostly acts in good faith toward those they disagree with, versus those who think there is a cold civil war going on in the country.

Posted by: goodluckduck at April 27, 2018 03:45 PM (rwaEp)

654 586 521 Threaded, non-threaded, Discus, or Facebook. It doesn't matter since none of them allow sock puppeting like AOSHQ. The entertainment and wit of socked comments is what makes Ace's place unique.


Posted by: DR.WTF? at April 27, 2018 03:27 PM (T71PA)



I really don't think it would be that difficult to do a registration system that allowed sockpuppets.

Well I say it won't be hard but I don't know how difficult coding it would be. But all you need is to have a spot for the comment display name like we have now and just not have it tied to your registered name. Maybe it links to the user profile just nothing at all.

Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2018 03:36 PM (cAnNx)

++++

A registration system, threaded comments, and socking are all separate issues completely independent of one another. There is no technical reason that just because Discus does threads but doesn't do socks means that any other comment system must follow suit. If Discus wanted to adopt a registration system that allowed socks, with or without hashes, there is no reason they couldn't get some coders on it and make it so. The reason they don't do that is they don't want that.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 27, 2018 03:46 PM (pvjTE)

655
Isn't it true that someone's flaws seem fairly
invisible to you if you like that person, and then seem very prominent
and egregious once you start hating them?





Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 03:43 PM (8rNrN)

Depends on the fact it's based on.

However, I wonder if Kristol always had that nasty little sneer? I know I never liked him, but I don't remember hating him.

Posted by: dagny at April 27, 2018 03:46 PM (ahV/f)

656 A. Hillary, Twice, just to make sure.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 27, 2018 03:44 PM (k1TU


Lol.

Posted by: LaSue at April 27, 2018 03:46 PM (Z48ZB)

657 I didn't vote for Trump to be my pastor.

Posted by: JAS at April 27, 2018 03:46 PM (sCN2W)

658
Sigh. Yes, my friend, there is much, much deceit out there in the world of entertainment.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 27, 2018 03:45 PM (F5+ro)


Sincerity: if you can fake that, you've got it made.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 27, 2018 03:47 PM (BWL+E)

659 I started doing research and came to realize a lot of my perception about Trump was based on hit pieces and fake news. Didn't mean he hadn't said stupid things before or said things I disagreed with, but a lot of how it was reported seemed overly inflated to me.

Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at April 27, 2018 03:43 PM (+dsLj)

Not just to you. Anyone who searched out a Trumper tantrum piece would figure out who the real enemy of the left was. When you see that they were throwing everything at him, it kind of makes you take notice.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at April 27, 2018 03:47 PM (Dp6qK)

660 Wasn't that originally the purpose of the drug. And then the testers kept mentioning how they were popping boners.

Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2018 03:43 PM


Heart issues of some kind, angina too if I recall correctly. At the end of the study they noticed that everyone wanted to buy the drug immediately and not turn in any leftovers.

They'd never seen anything like it.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at April 27, 2018 03:47 PM (LOgQ4)

661 "But her emails!!!!!!!!"

Rubes.

Posted by: Cay Jaruso at April 27, 2018 03:47 PM (rEoTo)

662 Never Trumpers are closet Democrats.

Period.

Posted by: gNewt at April 27, 2018 03:47 PM (bN6TL)

663 Put 205 into your search or find field-- not too hard!
Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 03:41 PM (8rNrN)


Until the banhammer comes out and the comments get renumbered and then Fun Ensues when people are all what the hell does comment 101 have to do with anything.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at April 27, 2018 03:47 PM (dEQP3)

664 A. Hillary, Twice, just to make sure.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 27, 2018 03:44 PM (k1TU

-------

I wasn't expecting that, but I liked it.

I thought it was going to be some moral lesson. heh

Posted by: Seems Legit at April 27, 2018 03:48 PM (U+nHb)

665 527 On Election Day, it took me till 4 in the afternoon to decide if I was even going to vote. Couldn't be happier now.

Mrs. Chronda had voted absentee, then kept me running errands long enough on election day that I couldn't make it to the polls in a timely fashion. I was pleased, because I wasn't enthused about Trump and simply could not possibly pull the lever for Hillary.

Glad to see that my fears about Trump were unfounded.

Posted by: Anachronda at April 27, 2018 03:34 PM (v3pYe)
****************

I will never forget election day on this blog and the day after... it was epic... and it still leaves a smile on my face just remembering it.

Posted by: redridinghood at April 27, 2018 03:48 PM (PvFoN)

666 I think this North Korea deal will be a big thing domestically if it pans out. No way the media can hide the success.

So RedState looks at the writing on the wall and kicks out the neverTrumpers. The Mueller investigation will go down the tubes (I bet that's why Giuliani was brought on for negotiations).

Posted by: MAGA at April 27, 2018 03:48 PM (Aymh2)

667 But it's non-binary!!!!

Posted by: ace

Nice try though guys
Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 03:08 PM (8rNrN)


Some could not see it as "binary" because their lives weren't going to change. Not one inch, not one dollar.

But, now for those getting fired, it was kind of binary. I'm not going to say "the irony."

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 27, 2018 03:48 PM (fceHP)

668 no humor, just opinion.

Can't believe I'm the only one with the opinion you described on abortion. If I am, scans, photos, and heartbeats, could show people the difference between cells that will become a baby (end of first few weeks, max) and a baby (end of first 6 weeks? to be debated...)

As for nt-ers, you cannot be a conservative and a NT'er. Just as you said, you are rooting for your team to fail, as he is putting all conservative plans into effect. NTers are more likely to vote for a W, who is establishment-acting, but pushes sharia law on America, than a DT, who is himself and defends America. That's shameful and frankly, makes one a shallow, image-conscious snob.

The left values image and virtue-signals -- looking good. We value deeds. If you are a globalist, which most never trumpers are, you are not pro-traditional, pro-American, or conservative.

Posted by: My Two Cents at April 27, 2018 03:48 PM (7np6s)

669 Isn't it true that someone's flaws seem fairly invisible to you if you like that person, and then seem very prominent and egregious once you start hating them?"

---everyone has blind spots. I just found that NTs' blind spots became like lib blind spots.

It's like with Kanye, depending on your personal mental imbalance, there's a sliding scale of what it means.

-bizarre lunatic lefties "OMG he's a traitor to the world"
-some cons "Kayne now loves trump and is a republican"
-me "Kanye is his own guy and, while a dick, is his own dick and for once his world view coincides with mine, and that's kinda cool but limited in application"

Posted by: Kuhyt at April 27, 2018 03:48 PM (Kuhyt)

670 If you're going to the barrel, might as well go boldly

Posted by: Hands at April 27, 2018 03:43 PM (EzdLW)


Do a Triple Lindy flounderbot!

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Tater is the Latest Gender at the Outrage Outlet! at April 27, 2018 03:48 PM (hLRSq)

671


I mean, what do these people do if they don't kiss ass to get paid gigs? Work at Wal Mart? That Williamson asshole couldn't get a job pumping fish waste out of holding tanks.

Maybe he could.

They put their name out there, then deliberately go after their supposed allies, then...then what. LOL



Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Raniere at April 27, 2018 03:48 PM (M1hRH)

672 Is it the consensus that Trump mostly got elected because of his strong stance on immigration and building a wall?

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The invading column is expected to reach the border on Sunday.

And in response, President Donald Trump sent this message to his followers, saying "I have ordered the Department of Homeland Security to STOP the caravan of illegal immigrants trying to cross our WIDE-OPEN BORDER"

https://bit.ly/2JAsjjV

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 27, 2018 03:48 PM (+y/Ru)

673 Science has a hypothesis phase, but then there is a required experimentation phase, and even after that, a peer review phase where the real world experiment needs to be repeated with the same results. THEN it can be applied in the real world to actually solve a problem, which was the point to begin with.

NeverTrumpers have no interest in "working the kinks out" to get real world solutions, they just wanted the pay check and admiration.

And what IS the solution needed today? NOT a more refined but still ever growing government. The need is to remove the criminals and globalists (birm) from the system, maybe even return to more local government, more individual autonomy. Maybe even reverse gear of the 50 years of "commies" marching through the institutions.

Borders and prosecuting criminals ... Big Steps, even if that was all we got from Trump. (slow going on the borders, but we'll see)

Posted by: illiniwek at April 27, 2018 03:48 PM (bT8Z4)

674 The ketchup/mayonnaise mashup in the sidebar IS exactly what Arctic Circle drive-ins served way back in 19ott66. Couldn't get enough for their beef tallow fried French fries. Yummy.

NeverTrumpers will fail the evolution test. That's what happens when your Jebassic era thoughts meet the new Trumpozoic environment. A dieoff.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at April 27, 2018 03:48 PM (Zskvw)

675 Alskari: "Now tell me to go fuck myself and I'll do the same to you please."

Heh. "Please." Like it's Queensberry Rules. What a pu**y.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at April 27, 2018 03:48 PM (H8S+R)

676 The simple truth is this:

Donald Trump killed it in the debates.

Posted by: JAS at April 27, 2018 03:48 PM (sCN2W)

677 Where does the funds come to start a semiconductor or micro electro mechanical systems lab or plant?

If someone could just abscond with your "property," what incentive do you have to innovate, when you can just steal.

Trust the founders. Compare and contrast US and China. Where does the innovation happen?
Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at April 27, 2018 03:37 PM (Dp6qK)

...

If you want to make a living in semiconductors, you make the investment anyway.

You can't just "steal" without patents--companies will still be secretive and have NDA's. So internal process innovations will remain secretive, and to the extent they can be discovered will have to be reverse-engineered.

The idea is that innovation is stifled if only those with the pockets to handle the red tape will be doing the innovation, but that without patents the potential for innovation is available to a wider market, and therefore more happens.

I'm a structural engineer, and for the longest time no one ever patented anything in our field. It was impractical to do so, and there was also a fairly widespread idea that we ought to share innovations within the industry. Post Northridge earthquake, some of that shifted--some of the steel framing connections that were developed after the earthquake were proprietary, some not.

But there are definite examples of industries that moved forward with lots and lots of innovation with virtually zero patents filed.

Posted by: TexasDan at April 27, 2018 03:49 PM (yL25O)

678 this is what I mean about the inevitable evolution from internal but loyal critic to external, strident enemy.

One's intellectual beliefs will ultimately evolve to match one's emotional outlook. If you don't like conservatives, if you're spitting mad at them and think they're stupid, you will soon begin using the same language as the left in calling them racist homopohbic alt-right Nazis, and then, a hop and a skip later, you're almost fully a liberal.


Well stated; and particularly how the people in question continue to insist that they're carrying the flag of TROO CONSERVATISM.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 27, 2018 03:49 PM (y7DUB)

679 I mean, I agree with you, but I'm wondering if I just NOTICE the assholish moral preening of the NTers because I disagree with it, whereas, for example, Tucker Carlson might do some assholish preening and I laugh and clap at it because I agree.

Isn't it true that someone's flaws seem fairly invisible to you if you like that person, and then seem very prominent and egregious once you start hating them?


One of the more disturbing things in life is occasionally noticing how much your own side sounds like those hysterical lunatics on the other side.

Posted by: Grey Fox at April 27, 2018 03:49 PM (bZ7mE)

680


Heh, Teh Barrel claims another unsuspecting resident, FB. Remember to not touch anything, especially that green stuff that glows in the dark.

And on that note, I have a gig I gotta get ready for.

Y'all try to behave.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at April 27, 2018 03:49 PM (GdWl+)

681 I'll admit, I was pro-Trump in the way one who roots for the monster in a movie full of dumb, insufferable "victims" is pro-monster. I was disgusted with the GOPe and wanted it burned to the ground, still do.

Then I saw the rallies, ran the numbers, and realized he could actually pull this off.

Faith faltered near zero hour, but...well, here we are.

No regrets.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at April 27, 2018 03:49 PM (AM1GF)

682 unfit to lead the Giants

And a younger brother of inadequate forehead.

Posted by: Peyton at April 27, 2018 03:49 PM (FhXTo)

683 Put 205 into your search or find field-- not too hard!



I disagree with what that guy at #615 said.


*makes raspberry noise*

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 27, 2018 03:49 PM (fuK7c)

684 I do think there are people who find Trump so morally offensive they would never support one they did not respect. Some nT's are like that - and that's ok."

That's only morally defensible if they take the position that EVERYONE in politics is reprehensible, and they're not going to support anyone. Because there's no way to make the case that Trump is actually "more" immoral than the average Congressman or Senator, in fact he's mostly trash talk while they mostly work on hiding their dirty deeds.

But then again if they're going to take the position that EVERYONE sucks, even if it's true, then why the hell should anyone else want to talk to them about anything? I've heard that record play before.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 27, 2018 03:49 PM (k1TUh)

685 I also don't understand nominally conservative people who favored Hillary over Trump.


Bill Kristol, your Cruise Director, has even side he would vote for Michelle Obama over a second Trump term.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at April 27, 2018 03:50 PM (O7MnT)

686 At some point it becomes personal, not intellectual. I often believe it was probably personal from the beginning because the arguments were fallacies and simply a fig leaf for the pathos.

It is why I really do not argue much with the nevertrumpers anymore. Their points are more psychosis than argument.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 27, 2018 03:50 PM (FIEUz)

687 However, I wonder if Kristol always had that nasty little sneer? I know I never liked him, but I don't remember hating him.

Posted by: dagny at April 27, 2018 03:46 PM (ahV/f)


Could not stand him from Day One ... and I'm talking back when I first saw him, late 90s ... when I was not yet 29 and was starting to pay attention.

A bunch of the NeverTrumpers in the Media have one thing in common ... and it really is my One Issue.

They believe in the primacy of the State over the Citizen.

Bill and his ilk are cool with that, because they've always believed themselves aligned with The State. They've always believed what's good for the State will be good for Them. Even when a cat like Obama was in charge.

Trump threatens their "natural order".

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 27, 2018 03:50 PM (fiGNd)

688 -
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Its like almost orgasming then someone hits you with a taser.


Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 27, 2018 03:44 PM

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Hit me baby, one more time.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at April 27, 2018 03:50 PM (pMGkg)

689 Kristol was always a preening twat. Look, I can't spend all my ammo on friendly targets, so he got a pass back when he actually had something to do with conservatism. But he was always the human embodiment of a Grey Poupon commercial.

Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at April 27, 2018 03:50 PM (A3edJ)

690
I do. I can't NOT go back and look. It's a weird compulsion.

...

I do too. (Assuming I'm interested in that conversation.)

Put 205 into your search or find field-- not too hard!


Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 03:41 PM (8rNrN)



I will say I hate the people that only include comment numbers. For one if someone gets banned it fucks everything up.

So I find it to always be a good idea to include at least the part of the comment you are responding to, or at least the name and time stamp of the commenter, so if someone does want to come check it they can and know what time to look for it.

Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2018 03:50 PM (cAnNx)

691 Will this IG report tjat states the Trump administration had 0 connection to the Russians do anything to these investigations?
I doubt it but will help on some bystanders opinions.

Posted by: Skip at April 27, 2018 03:50 PM (aC6Sd)

692 Until the banhammer comes out and the comments get renumbered and then Fun Ensues when people are all what the hell does comment 101 have to do with anything.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at
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It takes less than 5 seconds to copy and paste the quote into a comment. That solves all the problems.

Posted by: gNewt at April 27, 2018 03:51 PM (bN6TL)

693 You are hating the players, not everyone looks at it as extortion, and Corolla played the game better.
Posted by: flounderbot, rebel

___________

I said earlier, I support patents, but I don't support the type of litigation that I would label as patent troll.

I'm guessing you're sensitive about this because you consider yourself a patent troll and that's how you make your living?

I would guess slime ball trial lawyers also swear up and down they are protecting the public as well.

I think its pretty easy to be able to separate when someone is suing a company over legitimate patent infringement and when someone is operating an extortion racket.

Posted by: Maritime at April 27, 2018 03:51 PM (lKmt3)

694 Its like almost orgasming then someone hits you with a taser.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 27, 2018 03:44 PM (39g3+)

That's why I give them 'ludes....


Posted by: Mr. Cosby at April 27, 2018 03:51 PM (8iiMU)

695 "309 And also, I like it here. It feels like home.

Posted by: bluebell at April 27, 2018 02:58 PM (oMtOd)"

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For me too. You can make the bed if you like or you can stay in pajamas all day. Too bad I still work full time.

Posted by: Decaf at April 27, 2018 03:43 PM (/3+Sg)
.................

Those pajamas better not have pants.

Posted by: wth at April 27, 2018 03:51 PM (HgMAr)

696 Is it the consensus that Trump mostly got elected because of his strong stance on immigration and building a wall?

He mostly got elected because a) he never apologized or ceded ground to the Clinton Hydra and b) he never apologized or ceded ground to the Jebite collaborators.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 27, 2018 03:51 PM (B+qrE)

697
After Reagan, I always wanted a business person to be President. Didn't matter who he was screwing or had screwed. How many ex-wives. Just hard-core pro-American-business.

Turns out what is best for the country economically is also kind of conservative. I might have guessed that if I was smarter.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at April 27, 2018 03:51 PM (LOgQ4)

698 Wasn't that originally the purpose of the drug. And then the testers kept mentioning how they were popping boners.



Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2018 03:43 PM



Heart issues of some kind, angina too if I recall correctly. At the
end of the study they noticed that everyone wanted to buy the drug
immediately and not turn in any leftovers.



They'd never seen anything like it.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at April 27, 2018 03:47 PM (LOgQ4)

And then the heart issues guys started dropping dead of raging boners and low blood pressure, but mostly low blood pressure. Hence the proclamation that sildenafil citrate taken with other nitrates for heart issues is contraindicated.

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 27, 2018 03:51 PM (QLvwG)

699 So are you making an argument that they're better or worse that this?

Posted by: Alskari at April 27, 2018 03:31 PM (tdVTp)

Much worse. And Disqus is evil. Full stop.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 27, 2018 03:52 PM (OCmih)

700 well, the lefty blue mark insane asylum sure thinks we're assholes. I think my world view is summarized that liberalism is a special kind of assholish mental illness that is unique among americans.

Does tucker or rush approach being asshole? sure. But they aren't like the random lib who will run up to ... uhhh Jim Cantore and start yelling "fox lies" over and over.

Posted by: Kuhyt at April 27, 2018 03:52 PM (Kuhyt)

701 Not just to you. Anyone who searched out a Trumper tantrum piece would figure out who the real enemy of the left was. When you see that they were throwing everything at him, it kind of makes you take notice.

******************************

One of the things that settled it for me was when they reported him making fun of the handicapped. I watched the footage, then watched how he made the same gestures to mock people who weren't disabled, and it was clear he was making fun of their hysterics. It was so blatantly false reporting, and yet even conservatives I knew were planning to stay home on election day because they thought it was true.

Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at April 27, 2018 03:52 PM (+dsLj)

702 Didn't take too long during DJT's run up to nomination that the GOPe, Dems and the establishment media personalities, all were going to lose their place at the feeding trough. Adapt or die and they chose poorly.

Posted by: BluesFish at April 27, 2018 03:52 PM (8SLip)

703 Until the banhammer comes out and the comments get
renumbered and then Fun Ensues when people are all what the hell does
comment 101 have to do with anything.



Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at

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It takes less than 5 seconds to copy and paste the quote into a comment. That solves all the problems.

Posted by: gNewt at April 27, 2018 03:51 PM (bN6TL)

But don't quote the offensive trolls.

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 27, 2018 03:52 PM (QLvwG)

704 604 But if Disney's copyright on Mickey Mouse endures until the heat death of the Universe, so what? You don't need to use Mickey Mouse in your work in order to be a well-paid writer.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 27, 2018 03:39 PM (OCmih)

==============

Long copyrights actually do stifle creativity.

Not being able to riff on well established cultural icons limits what I can say.

It'd be like Shakespeare's family still owning the copyright to all of his plays, and only productions his estate approves of get to be put on. There's a lot of creativity that goes into weird little productions of Hamlet, Macbeth, and A Midsummer Night's Dream that might not get an audience without attaching it to Shakespeare.

Same principle applies to Mickey Mouse.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 27, 2018 03:52 PM (9ZlHt)

705 Isn't it true that someone's flaws seem fairly invisible to you if you like that person, and then seem very prominent and egregious once you start hating them?

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It's true as every attorney who has ever had the opportunity to do divorce work knows.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 27, 2018 03:53 PM (+y/Ru)

706 Isn't it true that someone's flaws seem fairly invisible to you if you like that person, and then seem very prominent and egregious once you start hating them?

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 03:43 PM (8rNrN)

...

Sometimes but not always.

Hannity is probably on my side but I can't stand him. Same with Coulter.

Levin I can truly enjoy some times, but never for more than about 20 minutes.

But Rush I probably give a free pass to regardless of his foibles.

Posted by: TexasDan at April 27, 2018 03:53 PM (yL25O)

707 ...you do need to be mostly one thing or the other...
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While that is a practical reality for pundits, writer's, etc., more's the pity.

The Left have been very successful in making every issue a political issue. It has become nearly impossible to speak on any topic in the social or political spheres without the expressed opinion being weighed and interpreted (however subconsciously) in political terms.

In short, it is becoming impossible for good, objective judgement to be given good, objective consideration. Not a circumstance to be desired.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 27, 2018 03:54 PM (NL+DJ)

708 it wasn't just they couldn't hold their nose and vote for Trump. Like we had to do voting for those they pushed.
It was the fact some advocated for a Hillary win as if many americans could survive another 8 years of financial torture after The first financial crash and the regulatory state on the increase.
and that is just the financial expectation of a Hillary win.
What about their judgeship choices?
Gun restrictions? Speech /Hate activity?


so when were they 'for' standards when they would have allowed America to become a hell of a lot less free country?
a hell of a lot less constitutional?
they chose to assist/help a woman That had a obscure fkn video guy be arrested to cover up Her own mistakes!?


what's Moral about that decision?
Or that she and Obama shoved national security of the usa into the dust bin while Using those agencies to go After their readers and Other conservative voices?

so spare me theirMoral'choice.

Posted by: willow at April 27, 2018 03:54 PM (2G9k3)

709 690 - I'm usually on my phone. I'm not copying and pasting anything. Also, I assume the general lack of insightfullness of my average comment makes it very easy not to investigate.

Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at April 27, 2018 03:54 PM (A3edJ)

710 And given that Trump has the support of something like 85% of the GOP,

It's unfortunate the other 15% are in Congress.

Posted by: DaveA at April 27, 2018 03:54 PM (FhXTo)

711 tl;dr - it was a great movie...

truth is that I actually read it. that's why I'm so far down in the comments.

Posted by: Todler at April 27, 2018 03:54 PM (8D42x)

712 What gives with not being a lie to include punctuation in your comment. It fails and give you an 500 Internal Server Error

Posted by: Marcus T at April 27, 2018 03:54 PM (FIEUz)

713 The simple truth is this:

Donald Trump killed it in the debates.

Posted by: JAS at April 27, 2018 03:48 PM (sCN2W)

And yet.....I cringed while watching each and every one of them.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 27, 2018 03:55 PM (7uYFy)

714 >>>Well it's been a few years since I last saw one of the discussions

i saw it during a zombie pop-in

Posted by: concrete girl at April 27, 2018 03:55 PM (zr8oO)

715 I mean, I agree with you, but I'm wondering if I just NOTICE the assholish moral preening of the NTers because I disagree with it, whereas, for example, Tucker Carlson might do some assholish preening and I laugh and clap at it because I agree.

Isn't it true that someone's flaws seem fairly invisible to you if you like that person, and then seem very prominent and egregious once you start hating them?

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 03:43 PM (8rNrN)


I don't laugh and clap. I take a step back. Tucker's been slipping here and there...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 27, 2018 03:55 PM (fceHP)

716 Become a GAINZZZ expert Ace

Posted by: Northernlurker at April 27, 2018 03:55 PM (eAMlh)

717 Oh God,TCM is showing Seven Day in May again.But coups are good now.

Posted by: steevy at April 27, 2018 03:56 PM (LiyEm)

718 only morally defensible if they take the position that EVERYONE in politics is reprehensible, and they're not going to support anyone. Because there's no way to make the case that Trump is actually "more" immoral than the average Congressman or Senator, in fact he's mostly trash talk while they mostly work on hiding their dirty deeds.

But then again if they're going to take the position that EVERYONE sucks, even if it's true, then why the hell should anyone else want to talk to them about anything? I've heard that record play before.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April




well, that is the funny thing, in what rational universe where you find all politicians reprehensible does a conservative find hillary clinton less reprehensible than Donald Trump?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 27, 2018 03:56 PM (MTjB1)

719 Isn't it true that someone's flaws seem fairly invisible to you if you like that person, and then seem very prominent and egregious once you start hating them?

Posted by: ace
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Friend - Someone about whom you know everything, but like them anyhow.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 27, 2018 03:56 PM (NL+DJ)

720 whereas, for example, Tucker Carlson might do some assholish preening and I laugh and clap at it because I agree. "
I get disappointed in Tucker increasingly lately. It's generally when he has some leftist on with arguments that he should be able to destroy, but Tucker hasn't done his homework on the topic and instead just tries to bluff his way through, and when that happens the leftist comes out looking better than Tucker - and with a little bit more seriousness and preparation, that wouldn't happen.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 27, 2018 03:56 PM (k1TUh)

721
And given that Trump has the support of something like 85% of the GOP,
...

It's unfortunate the other 15% are in Congress.
Posted by: DaveA at April 27, 2018 03:54 PM



bah-dump-BAH

Posted by: the drummer at April 27, 2018 03:56 PM (EzdLW)

722 Oh God,TCM is showing Seven Day in May again.But coups are good now.
Posted by: steevy
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Great cast, when acting was acting.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 27, 2018 03:57 PM (NL+DJ)

723 Donald Trump is rude, venal, and stupid.

You guys wanna watch me jerk off?

Posted by: Erick Erickson at April 27, 2018 03:57 PM (bdat4)

724 i suppse the neverTrumpers thought if Hillary won they sure would have a lot of legitimate shit to complain/write about every day.
so their own personal job security. Just keep on talking writing about Who things should be, while supporting those who prove to do nothing at all.

Posted by: willow at April 27, 2018 03:57 PM (2G9k3)

725 Posted by: Marcus T at April 27, 2018 03:54 PM (FIEUz)

On a phone ? Turn off smart punctuation.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 27, 2018 03:58 PM (fiGNd)

726 I think most of the GOPe are slow on the uptake so I'm wondering if they still hate Trump---or if it's that they still think he's going to be taken down by Mueller and don't want to be associated with him. If it's the latter, what will they do when Trump's approval hits 55%--which I believe it will soon?

Posted by: JoeF. at April 27, 2018 03:58 PM (7uYFy)

727 >>Isn't it true that someone's flaws seem fairly invisible to you if you like that person, and then seem very prominent and egregious once you start hating them?



Invisible and/or endearing.
Over time that wears off, naturally.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 27, 2018 03:58 PM (W+vEI)

728 I wish I could get some of them back -- I miss a lot of them.
----------------------------------------------------------

And that sentiment, Ace, is one of the reasons you are so successful.

Just sayin'

Posted by: Lurker at April 27, 2018 03:58 PM (UcT6b)

729 However, I wonder if Kristol always had that nasty little sneer? I know I never liked him, but I don't remember hating him.
Posted by: dagny at April 27, 2018 03:46 PM (ahV/f)


Nobody was more surprised than I was at what a prick he's turned out to be. I wasn't quite old enough to be a WFB fan; he struck me as having a lot more in common with people in my parents generation. Plus there was a certain subset of his acolytes who struck me as being snotty country clubbers who liked him because he used bigger words than they could.

I thought Kristol was a more with it reincarnation that was willing to go on the Morning Homewreckers and get everyone mocking F Chuck. Then came DJT and WOW was I wrong. I'm still kicking myself internally on that.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 27, 2018 03:58 PM (y7DUB)

730 The Left have been very successful in making every issue a political issue. It has become nearly impossible to speak on any topic in the social or political spheres without the expressed opinion being weighed and interpreted (however subconsciously) in political terms.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 27, 2018 03:54 PM (NL+DJ)

Agreed. It's like how there isn't a separation of church and state in Islam. The church is the state. For the Left, all social issues are just naturally viewed through a manufactured political lens.

Posted by: Mainah at April 27, 2018 03:58 PM (B+qrE)

731 But don't quote the offensive trolls.


Posted by: Count de Monet at April 27, 2018 03:52 PM (QLvwG)



That's where copying the name or hash works to get the attention to ban the idiot.

Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2018 03:58 PM (cAnNx)

732 I've overlooked many a pretty girl's flaws . For a little while.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 27, 2018 03:58 PM (n1b3L)

733 710 And given that Trump has the support of something like 85% of the GOP,

It's unfortunate the other 15% are in Congress.
Posted by: DaveA at April 27, 2018 03:54 PM (FhXTo)


It's funny because it's true.

Posted by: rickl at April 27, 2018 03:58 PM (xjiRE)

734 If we're commenting about commenting have we officially become meta?

Hey, don't Bogart that...

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 27, 2018 03:58 PM (fuK7c)

735 But there are definite examples of industries that moved forward with lots and lots of innovation with virtually zero patents filed.

Posted by: TexasDan at April 27, 2018 03:49 PM (yL25O)

If you can't or won't steal, and you don't want to pay the price, what do you do?

Design around or innovate.

If someone is in your field patenting stuff that has been around, then there are processes to address that.

Free and open source models do have some application, where the barriers to entry are low, such as software development.

However, just because you allow someone to eat your lunch does not mean everyone should, will, or is morally obligated to do the same. This is especially true when you are talking about multi-million or even billion dollar barriers to entry, aside from even thinking about patent licensing costs.

Who is going to finance a semi-fab, if the guy down the street, through corporate espionage can steal your designs, and off-shore production to China, for a fraction of the cost and risk to build the fab?

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at April 27, 2018 03:58 PM (Dp6qK)

736 Science has a hypothesis phase, but then there is a required experimentation phase, and even after that, a peer review phase where the real world experiment needs to be repeated with the same results. THEN it can be applied in the real world to actually solve a problem

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That's old fashion science. Today we have pronouncements from the Hollywood elite and if you don't believe them, you're a science denying h8er.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 27, 2018 03:59 PM (+y/Ru)

737 nood but feel free to keep commenting on this post too -- personally i'm gonna keep commenting in both for a while.

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 03:59 PM (8rNrN)

738 And then the heart issues guys started dropping dead of raging boners and low blood pressure, but mostly low blood pressure. Hence the proclamation that sildenafil citrate taken with other nitrates for heart issues is contraindicated.

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 27, 2018 03:51 PM


If you're gonna make an omelet you gotta break some eggs.

I've taken my own blood pressure post-V and holy shit is it low. That's on one-quarter dose or 25 milligrams. I can't imagine how awful someone must be to require a full 100 milligram dose. Like can hardly walk up a flight of stairs bad.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at April 27, 2018 03:59 PM (LOgQ4)

739 whereas, for example, Tucker Carlson might do some assholish preening and I laugh and clap at it because I agree. "
I get disappointed in Tucker increasingly lately. It's generally when he has some leftist on with arguments that he should be able to destroy, but Tucker hasn't done his homework on the topic and instead just tries to bluff his way through, and when that happens the leftist comes out looking better than Tucker - and with a little bit more seriousness and preparation, that wouldn't happen.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 27, 2018 03:56 PM (k1TUh)


Yeah, that bugs me too. And sometimes it is something so obvious, so often repeated. Not like it is some new revelation that he may not have heard yet, or his team.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 27, 2018 03:59 PM (fceHP)

740 "Posted by: ScoggDog at April 27, 2018 03:58 PM (fiGNd)"

Thanks it worked.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 27, 2018 03:59 PM (FIEUz)

741 Nood

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 27, 2018 03:59 PM (gC2IV)

742 Ace, you are invaluable.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 27, 2018 04:00 PM (wnVpa)

743 I think this North Korea deal will be a big thing domestically if it pans out. No way the media can hide the success. Posted by: MAGA

I expect the Media to start helping Kim in order to beat President Trump at the negotiating table.

"Oh, please don't throw me into that briar patch, B'rer Acosta!"

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at April 27, 2018 04:00 PM (Ndje9)

744 If we're commenting about commenting have we officially become meta?



Hey, don't Bogart that...

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 27, 2018 03:58 PM (fuK7c)

A little. But not as meta as the word 'mandarin' written in mandarin, on a mandarin.

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 27, 2018 04:00 PM (QLvwG)

745 Isn't it true that someone's flaws seem fairly invisible to you if you like that person, and then seem very prominent and egregious once you start hating them?


This is the story of many divorces.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 27, 2018 04:00 PM (Jd44p)

746 The Left have been very successful in making every issue a political issue. It has become nearly impossible to speak on any topic in the social or political spheres without the expressed opinion being weighed and interpreted (however subconsciously) in political terms.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 27, 2018 03:54 PM (NL+DJ)


Tough to find much of anything that isn't controlled by politics anymore.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 27, 2018 04:00 PM (fiGNd)

747 Bill Kristol, like John Podhoretz, would probably be a nobody were it not for his father's cred as a conservative.

Posted by: Hands at April 27, 2018 04:00 PM (EzdLW)

748 If we're commenting about commenting have we officially become meta?

Hey, don't Bogart that...

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 27, 2018 03:58 PM (fuK7c)

If we're commenting about commenting have we officially become meta?

Posted by: Amy Schumer at April 27, 2018 04:01 PM (HgMAr)

749 712 What gives with not being a lie to include punctuation in your comment. It fails and give you an 500 Internal Server Error
Posted by: Marcus T at April 27, 2018 03:54 PM (FIEUz)

only with smart punctuation.

Stupid punctuation works fine.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 27, 2018 04:01 PM (F5+ro)

750 >>>729 However, I wonder if Kristol always had that nasty little sneer? I know I never liked him, but I don't remember hating him.
Posted by: dagny at April 27, 2018 03:46 PM (ahV/f)

Good example. Yes, he did. He was always a snide little troll; but we tended to applaud it when he was trolling for our side.

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 04:01 PM (8rNrN)

751 Thanks it worked.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 27, 2018 03:59 PM (FIEUz)


*thumbs up*

Somebody here showed me. Glad to pass it along.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 27, 2018 04:01 PM (fiGNd)

752 Isn't it true that someone's flaws seem fairly invisible to you if you like that person, and then seem very prominent and egregious once you start hating them?

"Loving eyes do not see." Whoo man, did I hear that from buddies about my ex. Took me way too long to realize it.

Posted by: Mainah at April 27, 2018 04:02 PM (CClpm)

753 Good. Screw them. I was a reader there from when they first started the blog back in the summer of 2004. I left during the general election in 2016 because they were such jerks. Susan Wright is especially annoying, so emotional, and completely unhinged. Neil Stevens is a condescending fool who thinks his IQ is about 100 points higher than it is. Erick wasn't so bad, but once he left the quality started going down, he's got a little hope left to not walk the Liberal path. Ditto went for Leon, he pulled the chute at the right time, he knew RedState was going down. Moe took the easy way out and just quit political blogging altogether. They hired Patterico when he was going full Sullivan. Streiff is the only one worth a darn left over there - I suspect that he was a NeverTrumper in name only, because the rest of the front page writers at RS were rabid.

When they first started the blog, it was a hard and fast rule that there was no cussing. When they relaxed that, they started getting way more vitriolic, that escalated against anyone who would say something even remotely pro-Trump. I'm not saying cussing is bad (checks the url....), but for RS, it was a good way to keep the comment civil.

Even though I stopped reading daily, I would pop in from time to time. The fact that Trumps actual conservative wins never even changed their minds was a damaging sign. This was inevitable as the rising sun.

Good riddance.

Posted by: Memories at April 27, 2018 04:02 PM (mwcEF)

754 Who is going to finance a semi-fab, if the guy down the street, through corporate espionage can steal your designs, and off-shore production to China, for a fraction of the cost and risk to build the fab?

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at April 27, 2018 03:58 PM (Dp6qK)

Point is, the US is a leader in innovation, not just because we have smart people or because we have the smartest people - Israel is pretty sharp. We excel, precisely because people want to come here to innovate, finance innovation here, and sell here, because we protect the ability to make a profit on innovations. That's property rights. That's patents.

There are downsides to be sure. The downsides to no patents should be clear.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at April 27, 2018 04:02 PM (Dp6qK)

755 57 I note that beyond distaste at Trump's particular style, many of his critics during the primaries complained that Trump did not have conservative ideology (some still make this complaint.) Trump is delivering on conservative desires. To me an ideology without an action component is political masturbation. Can action substitute for an ideology? I'll leave that one to someone else.

Action is an ideology.

Posted by: marcus gravey at April 27, 2018 04:02 PM (T8/UU)

756 704 It'd be like Shakespeare's family still owning the copyright to all of his plays, and only productions his estate approves of get to be put on. There's a lot of creativity that goes into weird little productions of Hamlet, Macbeth, and A Midsummer Night's Dream that might not get an audience without attaching it to Shakespeare.

Plus, we wouldn't have had our lives enriched by Gnomeo & Juliet.

Posted by: Anachronda at April 27, 2018 04:03 PM (sGtp+)

757 Sanctimonious bastards, the lot of them. Especially Wright and Patterico.

Posted by: Ignatz D. Mouse at April 27, 2018 04:03 PM (nvc/3)

758 I just wanted to add to the consensus that this is a great post with great comments.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 27, 2018 04:03 PM (VrmCu)

759 >>>757 Sanctimonious bastards, the lot of them.

did I publish my post on sanctimony yesterday? If I didn't, I'll publish it next.

It's good post.

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 04:05 PM (8rNrN)

760 Good example. Yes, he did. He was always a snide little troll; but we tended to applaud it when he was trolling for our side.

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 04:01 PM (8rNrN)


They all do ... because their way "IS" the correct way. Because it just is. By definition. To deviate IS to be wrong.

I'm probably too hard on "W" ... because as I think back on it ... I was on the road to divorcing the GOP before "W" even won.

Just because - when I started digging into political philosophy and such - cats like Kristol sounded the same as cats like Begala to me.

You just had to swap the nouns.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 27, 2018 04:05 PM (fiGNd)

761
737 nood but feel free to keep commenting on this post too -- personally i'm gonna keep commenting in both for a while.

stereo! hang on while i fetch my red and blue 3d glasses...

Posted by: Anachronda at April 27, 2018 04:05 PM (v3pYe)

762 i want to know what they expected to see in America after 16 straight years of a head on Left swing?

Posted by: willow at April 27, 2018 04:05 PM (2G9k3)

763 742 Ace, you are invaluable.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 27, 2018 04:00 PM (wnVpa)


Ace has a value.


One meeellion dollars!

Posted by: eleven at April 27, 2018 04:06 PM (+lOpA)

764 Plus, we wouldn't have had our lives enriched by Gnomeo & Juliet.


I'm assuming that's some overlooked pron classic?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 27, 2018 04:06 PM (fuK7c)

765 Same principle applies to Mickey Mouse.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 27, 2018 03:52 PM (9ZlHt)

Copyright law allows for parody.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 27, 2018 04:07 PM (OCmih)

766 I'm never trumpyish myself Ace, and noting you have said has driven me away, and i've been lurking since the salad days of 2004. I can deal with an honest disagreement.

To use your analagy, I want the Giants to win the superbowl this year, but I'm all for finding a replacement long term in the draft.

Posted by: Micheal at April 27, 2018 04:07 PM (WfvLs)

767 >>>747 Bill Kristol, like John Podhoretz, would probably be a nobody were it not for his father's cred as a conservative.

True and VERY True. Bill Kristol is a guy born on third base who think he hit a triple, but John Podhoretz is a guy born on third base who got picked off at the base because he was wandering around like an imbecile picking his nose and talking to the third-base ump about how spectacular "Hamilton" is.

JPod is PARTICULARLY unaccomplished and frivolous, even for a member of his nepot class.

He's also incredibly unfunny, though he keeps insisting on trying to be funny.

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 04:08 PM (8rNrN)

768 Just got here.

I'll be back after I finish Ace's movie review.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 27, 2018 04:08 PM (EyPfd)

769 i want to know what they expected to see in America after 16 straight years of a head on Left swing?

Posted by: willow at April 27, 2018 04:05 PM (2G9k3)


People like you and me "in our place" ... more thankful for the opportunity to work in their businesses and homes.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 27, 2018 04:09 PM (fiGNd)

770 So, it's okay to be never-Palin but not never-Trump. Huh. Oddly, the only things people have against Sarah are the same things they have against Trump--lies and garbage thrown up by the MSM.

But hey, you have fun with that, Skippy.
Posted by: tcn in AK at April 27, 2018 02:43 PM (7UW64)

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I missed where I wrote anything about being never-Palin. I could give a shit about Palin because she's not relevant in any meaningful way outside of your mind and hasn't been for years. Even Red State got sick of her shit and eventually threw her overboard.

In fact, I said they stifled discussion and pointed out the irony when compared to the present situation.

Your butt-hurt isn't a great look, Skippy. Add another Palin newspaper clipping to your wall, assuming you can find one.

Posted by: ArtGriego at April 27, 2018 04:10 PM (dc8ti)

771 Doesn't look like you posted about sanctimony yesterday, Ace. I'd be interested in reading your take on the subject as the smugness of the NTS irritates me to no end. Always kvetching about Trump being a coarse buffoon while they tell people to go f*ck their mothers.

Posted by: Ignatz D. Mouse at April 27, 2018 04:11 PM (nvc/3)

772 One of the more disturbing things in life is occasionally noticing how much your own side sounds like those hysterical lunatics on the other side.
Posted by: Grey Fox at April 27, 2018 03:4

Yeah, but those people on the other side are all hysterical lunatics...oh. Oh shit.

Posted by: Clay, unimpressed with your wokeness at April 27, 2018 04:11 PM (eqHTn)

773 ok, i'll never get that . after the primaries were over and our specific guy/gal lost
We only had Two choices!

just like every election , we were to Hold our noses.

But nooo!

they wouldn't have been in the spot (gop) if the promises they made had been kept.

Oh baby no really i'm gonna buy a bicycle for tommy one day,

Oh baby maybe next mth.
Oh baby sorry i spent it at the bar.

Posted by: willow at April 27, 2018 04:12 PM (2G9k3)

774 765 Same principle applies to Mickey Mouse.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 27, 2018 03:52 PM (9ZlHt)

Copyright law allows for parody.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 27, 2018 04:07 PM (OCmih)

============

Parody is only part of the creative equation.

Mickey Mouse is a bad example, but he's the one everyone knows. Still, if I had a great idea for a Mickey Mouse adventure and Disney refused, I'd have no choice but to do nothing. Maybe I could retool it with different characters, but it could use the history of Mickey Mouse and that's suddenly not pertinent anymore.

To broaden the example, what if I had a great idea to take the I, Robot universe in a new direction? I'd need permission from Asimov's estate.

As a separate point, I would like to add that Shakespeare wrote in a time without copyright. As did Mozart and Beethoven.

Copyright has its uses (I'm not advocating for its elimination), but Life+70 simply puts the cultural landmark stuff in the hands of large corporations.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 27, 2018 04:12 PM (9ZlHt)

775 >>JPod is PARTICULARLY unaccomplished and frivolous, even for a member of his nepot class.


And he's getting paid something like $300K a year for his musings at Commentary - WTF?

Posted by: Lizzy at April 27, 2018 04:12 PM (W+vEI)

776 But Rush I probably give a free pass to regardless of his foibles.
Posted by: TexasDan at April 27, 2018 03:53 PM (yL25O)
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Me too. What he's done for us is so huge, that I can forgive a lot from Limbaugh. I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say that we might be living in a Communist dungeon right now, if he hadn't come along.

Whenever he's getting on my nerves I remember - If Rush Limbaugh didn't exist, we'd have had to invent him.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 27, 2018 04:13 PM (AzW6q)

777 >>>They all do ... because their way "IS" the correct way. Because it just is. By definition. To deviate IS to be wrong.

One thing I keep pointing out, privately -- I don't think I've brought this up here -- is that a lot of the NeverTrump class disapproves of Trump's lack of manners and his low class.

HOWEVER, the NTers themselves are just as nasty and insulting -- they're just nasty and insulting in a more passive-aggressive, feminine way, whereas Trump is more direct and aggressive-aggressive.

I understand that a particular cultural cohort likes its own habits and mores, but I can't get past how these people, who are just as nasty as Trump, seem to think their way of being nasty is "better" because it often involves secret, behind the scenes whisper campaigns and anonymous quotes instead of direct confrontation.

I don't see how this is "better." In fact, I think it's *worse.*

If you're going to be insulting, be insulting directly and openly. Don't be a sniveling little faggit about it.

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 04:13 PM (8rNrN)

778 If posts were placed in tandem they would not expire when a new post appeared.

Posted by: gNewt at April 27, 2018 04:13 PM (bN6TL)

779 >>>And he's getting paid something like $300K a year for his musings at Commentary - WTF?

who controls Commentary's payrolls? Does JPod himself have a major influence on it?

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 04:14 PM (8rNrN)

780 779 >>>And he's getting paid something like $300K a year for his musings at Commentary - WTF?

who controls Commentary's payrolls? Does JPod himself have a major influence on it?

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 04:14 PM (8rNrN)

=============

#WhoFundsCommentary?!?!?!

The world must know!!!!!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 27, 2018 04:14 PM (9ZlHt)

781 scogg, if we'd been fortunate, many more homeless is what i would have expected . Much more crime, as The left were openly (and still are advocating for murdering those they are fighting with)

Posted by: willow at April 27, 2018 04:15 PM (2G9k3)

782 One thing I keep pointing out, privately -- I don't think I've brought this up here -- is that a lot of the NeverTrump class disapproves of Trump's lack of manners and his low class.

HOWEVER, the NTers themselves are just as nasty and insulting -- they're just nasty and insulting in a more passive-aggressive, feminine way, whereas Trump is more direct and aggressive-aggressive.



I don't know if you've said it here. But it has definitely been pointed out before.

Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2018 04:15 PM (cAnNx)

783 Ace, you are invaluable.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 27, 2018 04:00 PM (wnVpa)
**************

Yes, Ace is.
I remember when ace was thinking about no longer blogging. I think everyone's spirits were down because it looked like Hillary was going to be a lock as our next POTUS.
I was worried because after what Hot Air did there wouldn't be a place to go to vent with like minded people. I am so glad he didn't shut this site down because I love it here.
and was Ireally worried because

Posted by: redridinghood at April 27, 2018 04:15 PM (PvFoN)

784 Don't be a sniveling little faggit about it.

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 04:13 PM (8rNrN)
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In other words, a Democrat. But I repeat myself.

Posted by: gNewt at April 27, 2018 04:15 PM (bN6TL)

785
Probably Ace is correct from a strictly blog business aspect of things, but-

I believe a big part of the #NeverTrump Personality is mostly the old Conservative/Republican political inferiority complex.


Back when...uh, the last president...whazzizzname?


Oh, yeah....Bukake O'Galvey.

Back when Bukake O'Galvey was president. He and his First Lady and family were hailed as the most well-mannered, refined, and dignified preznit evah.

Not like that stupid Cowboy Chimp Bushitler! Him with his stupid Texas drawl and such.

So, we got Mitt, Professional Soft Boy. My how refined!

And he lost in a very refined manner.

NeverTrumpers wanted a President who would be hailed and acknowledged as quite the Gentleman Philosopher. Like Bukake O'Galvey. And like them themselves too.

Then along comes Trump-

Who plays political smash mouth and wins decisively.

Well, who wants to be represented by that? Oh my, what will my friends and neighbors think?

That's about it in essence.


NeverTrumper bloggers are writing conservative commentary which is palatable to their liberal socialist friends.

And not really for conservatives at all.


Yes, that business will fail.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 27, 2018 04:16 PM (E3rQ4)

786 >>>I'll admit, I was pro-Trump in the way one who roots for the monster in a movie full of dumb, insufferable "victims" is pro-monster. I was disgusted with the GOPe and wanted it burned to the ground, still do.

Then I saw the rallies, ran the numbers, and realized he could actually pull this off.

Faith faltered near zero hour, but...well, here we are.

No regrets.

...

kinda the same, but I never thought he would win, and on election night wanted him to lose quickly so I could accept a friend's invitation to come over to his election night party.

I was first annoyed that he was clinging to the specter of a chance and just delaying the inevitable. I was shocked when he pulled ahead in the NYT's electoral odds predictor.

( I didn't even think Trump would win when he won Florida -- that was just one of SEVERAL big pulls he needed to fill his inside straight.)

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 04:17 PM (8rNrN)

787 who controls Commentary's payrolls? Does JPod himself have a major influence on it?

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 04:14 PM (8rNrN)

It's published by the American Jewish Committee, which has a board of Directors who, I assume, sets compensation and makes hiring decisions.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 27, 2018 04:17 PM (wYseH)

788 Don't be a sniveling little faggit about it.
Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 04:13 PM (8rNrN)
------------------------------

In other words, a Democrat. But I repeat myself.
Posted by: gNewt at April 27, 2018 04:15 PM (bN6TL)


They don't have a monopoly ... but they sure do dominate market share.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 27, 2018 04:19 PM (fiGNd)

789 617 you should listen to the entire piece.


Does that affect your commission?

Posted by: Off the reservation at April 27, 2018 04:19 PM (vWMNq)

790 I got real queasy watching Ace get all "true confessional" on us in this post. I like to think that he wakes up in the morning (ahem) and goes to sleep at night as a true pirate, ready to swashbuckle his way to victory o'er the varmints that be. Aaaarghh.

Posted by: VA MKZ at April 27, 2018 04:20 PM (tkZ2O)

791 ( I didn't even think Trump would win when he won Florida -- that was just one of SEVERAL big pulls he needed to fill his inside straight.)

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 04:17 PM (8rNrN)


Shit Ace ... you were hard-core in your support. Listen to this ...

So - even after getting into argument after argument about how Trump could win - I'm a few beers in and Trumps running tied in FLA, just lost Virginia. I say "screw it, he's done" and go to bed.

Wife wakes me up at 1:30 and says "You ain't gonna' believe this ..."

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 27, 2018 04:21 PM (fiGNd)

792 783 I was worried because after what Hot Air did there wouldn't be a place
to go to vent with like minded people. I am so glad he didn't shut this
site down because I love it here.


Me too ... well, actually I hate it but there's nowhere else to go.

Posted by: Off the reservation at April 27, 2018 04:22 PM (vWMNq)

793 764 Plus, we wouldn't have had our lives enriched by Gnomeo & Juliet.

I'm assuming that's some overlooked pron classic?


the well-known prelude to Sherlock Gnomes.

Posted by: Anachronda at April 27, 2018 04:23 PM (v3pYe)

794 HOWEVER, the NTers themselves are just as nasty and insulting -- they're
just nasty and insulting in a more passive-aggressive, feminine way,
whereas Trump is more direct and aggressive-aggressive.



Which, in a leader doesn't work.You can't project strength while crossing your legs at the thigh, drawling erudite insults, and opining about the genesis of islamic discontent. People ignore you. Saying "we need to look into a committee to advance border security" is less effective than "build that wall."


That's the main reason that dealing with men is less awful than dealing with women. A man will say,"I don't like what you did there." A woman will start a whisper campaign to give you an eating disorder.




Posted by: dagny at April 27, 2018 04:24 PM (ahV/f)

795 "There's nowhere else to go", that's amazing, and fantastic, and frightening.

Posted by: gNewt at April 27, 2018 04:25 PM (bN6TL)

796 To me an ideology without an action component is political masturbation. Can action substitute for an ideology? I'll leave that one to someone else.

Action is an ideology.

Posted by: marcus gravey


I believe the non-secular version of this is "faith without works"...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at April 27, 2018 04:26 PM (AM1GF)

797 Ace is a bit like a radio talk show host with his views and social commentary

Posted by: Skip at April 27, 2018 04:28 PM (aC6Sd)

798 ( I didn't even think Trump would win when he won Florida -- that was just one of SEVERAL big pulls he needed to fill his inside straight.)

Posted by: ace


The thing I realize now--and having run the numbers, as I said, should have then--is that Florida and Wisconsin and Penn-by-God-sylvania were not independent events. It was the same thing that brought both about--some details varied in each place, but the fact of connecting with the white working class and other parts of the old Reagan coalition was the key.

But none of us could have forseen the massive unforced error of HRC not bothering in Wisconsin and such.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at April 27, 2018 04:31 PM (AM1GF)

799 But Rush I probably give a free pass to regardless of his foibles.
Posted by: TexasDan at April 27, 2018 03:53 PM (yL25O)
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Me too. What he's done for us is so huge, that I can forgive a lot from Limbaugh. I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say that we might be living in a Communist dungeon right now, if he hadn't come along.

Whenever he's getting on my nerves I remember - If Rush Limbaugh didn't exist, we'd have had to invent him.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 27, 2018 04:13 PM (AzW6q)
***********************

Rush is a national treasure, but so is Hannity.
Rush is better than Hannity on the radio and Hannity on better on TV than the radio.
Levin is great too and I like his new show which is more subdued and cerebral.
During the Obama years Rush was hospitalized and I went to mass to pray he recovered.
All of their voices are needed and are extremely important for the Conservative movement and agenda.

Posted by: redridinghood at April 27, 2018 04:31 PM (PvFoN)

800 NeverTrumpers have convinced me of one thing, viz. God is merciful.

The American electorate voted, not once, but twice for an Obamanation. After that, ask yourself the question, did America somehow DESERVE better than that? I would argue that America probably DESERVED HRC after that. But we didn't get HRC. We got DJT instead. As the Newsboys wrote in their lyrics, "When you don't get what you deserve, that's a real good thing."

Posted by: CyberCipher at April 27, 2018 04:34 PM (p6WoB)

801
Election night I expected it to be razor thin. I maybe publicly predicted 300 EV's for Trump, while privately expecting 270... and a half. Adult beverages were sipped slowly until about midnight when Pennsylvania was becoming huge. Programmed my brain for a two hour nap. Because I know Pennsylvania. Some of those areas report as slow as molasses on a winters day.

But I knew in my heart she was going to lose. She had to lose. Two hundred plus years of democracy, down the drain if she won.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at April 27, 2018 04:34 PM (LOgQ4)

802 I listen to Rush more now than ever before, usually a Prager or local show listener.

Posted by: Skip at April 27, 2018 04:34 PM (aC6Sd)

803 Fusion GPS works on a custom basis ;
The team, mostly journalists previously at publications such as The Wall Street Journal, offers the capability to uncover unique information through a method compliant with regulations on insider trading and material non-public information

cries..

Posted by: willow at April 27, 2018 04:35 PM (2G9k3)

804 795 Posted by: gNewt at April 27, 2018 04:25 PM (bN6TL)


I got tired of Sparta Report but I still read CTH. But CTH would require me to register.

I comment very rarely at youtube.

I read the links from the AoS morning report.

This post has killed most of my afternoon while I was supposed to be working on my books. That's why I hate it. Time sink.

Posted by: Off the reservation at April 27, 2018 04:36 PM (vWMNq)

805 I knew Pa was going for Trump but wrongly guess the Philly collar county would as well.

Posted by: Skip at April 27, 2018 04:37 PM (aC6Sd)

806 I'm late to the thread, but I'll comment anyway. I don't hide from the fact that I was a NeverTrumper as that term was used - though I really said I was a not Trump in 2016 leaving open that I would vote for him should he be different than I thought. And he has. I was not against Trump because of his personal stuff or his rawness. I was against him because I believed (wrongly) that he would be liberal. I'll eat the crow. And people can dismiss me if they wish. I don't recall insulting Trump voters - though I made my case against him. I always got his appeal and stated he would win. Maybe that made it easier for me to not be a supporter. I just assumed he would win - Hillary being Hillary and all.

All this to simply say - if you were conservative before, you should be ecstatic with the Trump presidency so far. I don't see how you couldn't be.

Posted by: SH at April 27, 2018 04:37 PM (sX1BW)

807 Gotta go feed my cat, then me, so not even going to go look upstairs or will get sucked in there.

Posted by: Skip at April 27, 2018 04:38 PM (aC6Sd)

808 779 >>>And he's getting paid something like $300K a year for his musings at Commentary - WTF?

who controls Commentary's payrolls? Does JPod himself have a major influence on it?

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2018 04:14 PM (8rNrN)

++++

Heh. See. It matters. The money behind an organization tells you something about the organization itself. Who works for it, what it has to say. The money influences the answers to those questions.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 27, 2018 04:39 PM (pvjTE)

809 So, it's okay to be never-Palin but not never-Trump. Huh. Oddly, the only things people have against Sarah are the same things they have against Trump--lies and garbage thrown up by the MSM.

But hey, you have fun with that, Skippy.
Posted by: tcn in AK at April




well the deal with palin was pretty much the same as it was with Trump at the beginning, neither was my first choice and both made me cringea little but I was willing to give them both a chance and went all in for both.

the difference with Palin was whereas Trump was a businessman / reality television personality who became president, she was a governor who became a reality television personality. really wanted her to go on to bigger and better things but she chose a different way.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 27, 2018 04:40 PM (MTjB1)

810 This post has killed most of my afternoon while I was supposed to be working on my books. That's why I hate it. Time sink.

Posted by: Off the reservation at April 27, 2018 04:36 PM (vWMNq)
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Dude, tell me about. I owe people a bunch of artwork before the day is out, and then this happened... I'm gonna have to work late

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 27, 2018 04:45 PM (AzW6q)

811 Redstate booted me, presumably for having some pro-Trump comments.
I was surprised many months later to see one of my posts appear on the front page.

Posted by: MikeN at April 27, 2018 04:47 PM (o/eHL)

812 #248

Amen, sister ... about crawling a mile over broken glass. But, I did become a fan of Trump on the night of the debate with the pre-debate appearance of the abused Clinton ladies. That was the moment I signed on without reservation. Finally, a guy with an R after his name - with a backbone. I'm done with the super polite boy scouts. They can't get the job done.

Posted by: Liz at April 27, 2018 04:49 PM (6FiRh)

813 You have to surge first before you can be Resurgent.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at April 27, 2018 04:53 PM (Ndje9)

814 Much worse. And Disqus is evil. Full stop.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 27, 2018 03:52 PM (OCmih)

I generally dislike the upvote/downvote thing everywhere, but I'm just shilling for threading. That's all.

Posted by: Alskari at April 27, 2018 04:54 PM (tdVTp)

815 The most commonly cited past and future accomplishments of the Trump administration:
1) SCOTUS appointments (Gorsuch et al),
2) Tax Reform (completed 12/2017)
3) Slashing regulations via executive orders
4) Changes at USCIS and "The Wall"
5) Peace with the Norks
6) War with the MSM
7) Exposing the Deep State for what it is

And yet, IMHO, none of these things are as important or significant as the fact that he has single-handedly stopped the censorship known as "political correctness" dead in its tracks. Because of Trump, many people will find the courage to speak their minds in the future. It doesn't mean that there won't be adverse consequences for doing so, but he has shown us that our freedom of speech/expression is the most important right that we have. And that we must exercise it, come what may.

Posted by: CyberCipher at April 27, 2018 04:56 PM (p6WoB)

816 I'd disagree on the "Trump pulled an inside straight" thing.

It seemed like that to those sure Hillary would win, but it was not a lucky draw that got voters to give Trump an electoral landslide.

But the MSM SO convinced everyone that "resistance is futile", that it seemed incredible Trump was winning. BUT AGAIN ... NOT LUCK.

Trump the outsider ran on very popular issues, and if polls were not so biased, we would have all known it was Hillary all along, that had to pull the inside straight and win MI, PA and WI. Trump won on issues, despite massive money plus most media devoted to his defeat.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 27, 2018 04:59 PM (bT8Z4)

817 and again, it is RESULTS versus ideology. Real World results show Trump won on votes, those living on their philosophy still can't believe the real people matter more than their dreamy ideology.

Real voters versus DC dreamland.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 27, 2018 05:01 PM (bT8Z4)

818 Great comments here. What Trump does offer, is a future. That, at least, he is fighting back. The nT'ers have nothing to offer the future. They harp on the last election and find themselves allied with our enemy.
Not a good place to be. Readers have noticed.

Posted by: standfast24 at April 27, 2018 05:04 PM (PNFIr)

819 I fired up one of my troll Twitter accounts to take a swing at Ericson and Patterico when they were whining this morning. I might well have touched off a war with some of Patterico's friends, but he hasn't blocked me yet.

Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at April 27, 2018 05:18 PM (2kD+f)

820 RedState is still a thing? Haven't been there in years.
Years.

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at April 27, 2018 05:23 PM (jWe5r)

821 BTW, I made Patterico's "shit list" years ago. I wear it like a badge of honor. Truly, I do.

Posted by: CyberCipher at April 27, 2018 05:36 PM (p6WoB)

822 You know who else could use another line of work? That analpundit guy over at HotAir.

Couldn't be more tedious if he tried.

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at April 27, 2018 05:42 PM (jWe5r)

823 Will Salem fire Allahpundit and/or Morrisey next? Enquiring minds would like to know.

I wonder if they starting to sweat a little over there at HotAir?

Posted by: CyberCipher at April 27, 2018 05:46 PM (p6WoB)

824 Some next was full of crap. EVERY pro-lifer I knew - even the marchers - would have GLADLY taken the 18-20 week victory as a partial win. Wouldn't have stopped them from ultimately advocating for more, but they would have signed into that IN A HEARTBEAT.

Posted by: GWB at April 27, 2018 06:20 PM (IEo5i)

825 That should be "Domenech was full of crap".
Stupid f***ing autocorrect.

The real reason progs aren't seen as supporting America is NOT because they loved some future America, but because the America they love is not *really* America. They love an America that is fundamentally not American as freedom-lovers who think highly of the Constitution think of it.

Posted by: GWB at April 27, 2018 06:26 PM (IEo5i)

826 "transitioning to being a writer who writes mostly about some other specialty and only occasionally about politics."

That's what Moe Lane did, remember? His other specialty was gaming. And it was too bad he quit, because he was good at politics, and damn funny.

Posted by: grayishpanther at April 27, 2018 06:42 PM (ty9Ew)

827 @grayishpanther

I too was regular Moe reader until he shut down debate on his site and quit politics in an anti-Trump snit, so fuck him.

This couldn't happen to more deserving nest of cucks

Posted by: Shanks for the memory at April 27, 2018 07:12 PM (TdCQk)

828 I topped reading that site when Eric the Red went all out Red Anti-Trumper.

Posted by: Izapole at April 27, 2018 07:13 PM (yavIa)

829 Ace,

You really bared your soul in this post.

The day I went to the polls for early voting in the 2016 primary, the choice between Ted Cruz and Donald Trump was a coin toss. I had not yet come to the conclusion that only Trump could (maybe, possibly, hopefully) win in the general election.

Like many of your readers, I was a Ted Cruz guy from 2010. But I went ahead and voted for Trump because he was leading in Tennessee, and I knew that whoever won the primary needed momentum.

You have been vindicated. Ted Cruz announced this week that he has endorsed Trump for 2020. I hope the Cruz supporters come back to the Ace of Spades HQ.

Posted by: Great Reagan's Deplorable Ghost at April 27, 2018 07:53 PM (56GKt)

830 Good and thoughtful post. How do I become a COB? Military (SAC 72-76), started a test lab, started an R&D group, was president of an acquired company, and now do all legal stuff - same corporation for 40 years. Sixty-four, pissed, and (in my opinion) do not have dementia. Do I write a proposed post? I have a lot to write about...

Posted by: Radar at April 27, 2018 08:05 PM (j3rGv)

831 I hope the Cruz supporters come back to the Ace of Spades HQ.
Posted by: Great Reagan's Deplorable Ghost at April 27, 2018 07:53 PM (56GKt)


Some never left. And support Trump just fine

Posted by: GWB at April 27, 2018 10:56 PM (IEo5i)

832 I didn't know that the original editor for RedState had left. I've been reading this website since it was truly text only (I guess when he started it, or shortly thereafter) but it got to be too much to follow regularly. I occasionally go back but have found myself doing it less and less. This explains some of the change.)

I have a lot of sympathy for NeverTrump; I ended up voting for him, mostly for my husband's sake since I saw no better alternative out there even though I still do not like him or how he is treating the office of the Presidency. But I was afraid then that if he won it would be the end of conservatism as I know it (And I'm not sure I was wrong about that either) -- but not for those who cannot see that, despite this, he's doing a lot of things right. I have been very surprised at how conservative he seems to be governing and I expect time, should there be enough of it, to rate him better than the current news cycle does.

Posted by: My Boaz's Ruth at April 28, 2018 02:26 AM (p3WXW)

833 Interesting article. You did lose me as a reader because of an anti Trump bias. Perhaps at some point you will see the gestalt of the man instead of the caricature.

Posted by: JGalt at April 28, 2018 07:43 AM (m8Qs1)

834 Nice Post Ace.

Although let's be honest, you yourself drove ALOT of Trump supporters away as well.

The primary was a tough fight but you def had a meltdown & basically told Trump supporters to F off.

That's in the past now. Be well. #MAGA #KAP

Posted by: Doctor Octogan at April 28, 2018 08:12 AM (hJQQc)

835 boo. and a hoo for charity. mind the door on the way out. so tired of "conservatives" that are just big government liberal scolds who also happen to go to church. hating gay people is not a conservative value kids. the problem with being a treasonous snake is no one wants you around, your old friends hate you and your new friends still hate you. maybe the stunted mental dwarfs that comprise the asshat never trump crew can go do a penelope pit stop remake with Megyn Kelly.

Posted by: johnny drama at April 28, 2018 08:19 AM (EIsub)

836 The problem many of us "hardcore" pro-lifers have with a compromise like the 20-week threshold on legal abortion, is that it smacks of a Faustian bargain mixed with a camel's nose.

You are asking us to approve of the taking of some lives, to save others - at the risk of going Godwin, to us that would be like bringing WWII to an end by agreeing to keep Dachau and Auschwitz open for business.

Worse yet, the NARAL/PP faction would use such a compromise as a precedent to go all Alinsky Rule Four on any attempt to push the threshold lower ... "YOU AGREED TO 20 WEEKS ... YOU HAVE TO STICK WITH 20 WEEKS."

Or, send it back up ... "I GUESS NOT ALL LIVES ARE WORTH SAVING IN YOUR EYES, SO WHY STOP AT 20 WEEKS?"

The human life cycle is a continuous process, with two obvious discontinuities for an individual life: conception, and brain death. Setting the "tissue"/life/corpse boundaries at points other than those discontinuities risks taking the lives of those close to - but on the "right" side - of the line ... and therefore renders them arbitrary and subject to movement and/or replication at other points in the life cycle.

If life is an unalienable right, the thresholds between "tissue"/life/corpse must be immutable and beyond arbitrary challenge if it is to remain protected as unalienable ... as opposed to being denied US at some time when we become "inconvenient" to family or society.

Posted by: Ritchie The Riveter at April 28, 2018 08:28 AM (Cw1Mi)

837 Listening to Goldberg and Rob Long (genuinely funny people) next to JPod (not funny at all) it becomes painfully clear what unfunny sounds like compared to funny. I stopped trying to be funny after hearing them because unfunny is actually tiresome, it's much worse than just being yourself.

Posted by: bjstuggzzzzzzz at April 28, 2018 09:05 AM (e44Qj)

838 The big problem with NeverTrump writers is they tend to dismiss anything that the people who support Trump say or do.

They will insist that we are all ridiculously stupid if we support Trump at all.

Making fun of your readers does not help blog traffic.

Posted by: Beth at April 28, 2018 10:36 AM (TTn7b)

839 re 834:
>"Although let's be honest, you yourself drove ALOT of Trump supporters away as well."

Drove me off. Took a peek a few months back, and was pleasantly surprised that the joint hadn't turned RedState/NR, as it seemed to be trending, to my considerable dismay.

That said, I'm not the regular here I used to be. Pretty irregular, in fact. We shall see going forward.

Posted by: Anonymous at April 28, 2018 03:23 PM (ZAY69)

840 Q. Say you're in a fantasy world, and you step into a room, and suddenly find yourself face to face with Ted Bundy, Joseph Stalin, and Hillary. Luckily you have the only gun, but you've only got two bullets.

Ted Bundy strangles Hillary and desecrates the corpse. Stalin
extorts a confession from Bundy and leaves a husk. One bullet to
put down Stalin and one in the brain.

Posted by: Wit's End at April 29, 2018 06:45 PM (ROYpB)

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