Report: Supreme Court Deeply Divided on Travel Ban, But the Five Conservative Justices Seem to Favor the Administration's Position<br>Update: NPR, AP, and Reuters All Seem More Certain than the Daily Caller That Trump Will Win

Report: Supreme Court Deeply Divided on Travel Ban, But the Five Conservative Justices Seem to Favor the Administration's Position
Update: NPR, AP, and Reuters All Seem More Certain than the Daily Caller That Trump Will Win

The liberal judges spent a lot of time asking about pull-the-heartstrings hypotheticals designed to elicit sympathy, instead of asking about, you know, the actual law.

The U.S. Supreme Court appeared deeply divided Wednesday over the lawfulness of President Donald Trump's travel sanctions.
Though a tenuous majority appeared to favor the administration, the liberal bloc peppered Solicitor General Noel Francisco with brutal hypotheticals and heart-wrenching examples of migrants denied entry to the United States since Trump took office.
Justice Elena Kagan asked Francisco how thoroughly the court could review a ban on migration from Israel enacted by an openly anti-Semitic president, while Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg wondered why a ten-year-old with cerebral palsy from a sanctioned country was denied a visa, despite exceptions proscribed for immigrants seeking medical care.
...
Justice Anthony Kennedy, who likely holds the deciding vote, appeared to agree, noting the order at issue was more detailed than similar proclamations issued by former Presidents Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan. He elsewhere rejected hypotheticals proffered by Kagan and Justice Sonia Sotomayor, noting other legal avenues exist to address the abuses envisioned in their scenarios.

Here's hoping. The decision is expected in June.

Update: The Daily Caller might have been too nuanced and fair and balanced in its coverage, at least compared to the AP, Reuters, and NPR, who all seem sure Trump's position will carry the court.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 02:36 PM

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1 Say whaaat?

Posted by: Stewie at April 25, 2018 02:37 PM (Q/az8)

2 I'll get the others.

Posted by: Max Power at April 25, 2018 02:39 PM (q177U)

3 The Supreme Court gives all who care to look a great snapshot of our country... which is rapidly turning into not a country, but a number of tribes.

Posted by: kraken at April 25, 2018 02:39 PM (zSVEm)

4 JUNE!?!?!?!

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at April 25, 2018 02:39 PM (jjaLl)

5 Based on the gay marriage case, Kennedy is not very subtle about which way he is leaning so this is probably good news.

Posted by: Benji Carver at April 25, 2018 02:40 PM (OD2ni)

6 We'll see. Very little surprises me these days.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 25, 2018 02:40 PM (ycWCI)

7 One would assume courts would uphold the law. Then again one would also assume that RBG is some type of parasite that managed to control a desiccated corpse.

Posted by: Flyguy at April 25, 2018 02:40 PM (3sOO0)

8 Oh, Kennedy will dick it over. He just likes to promise lube before he dorks you dry.

Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at April 25, 2018 02:40 PM (RD7QR)

9 Justice Elena Kagan asked Francisco how thoroughly the court could
review a ban on migration from Israel enacted by an openly anti-Semitic
president...

Ummmmmm...what?

Posted by: tu3031 at April 25, 2018 02:41 PM (O5Q3r)

10 It begs the question - if the President doesn't have the authority to make these decisions about incoming visitors & immigrants, then who does?

Posted by: josephistan at April 25, 2018 02:41 PM (7HtZB)

11 We'll see. Very little surprises me these days.
Posted by: Aetius451AD

^^^^^
This!

Posted by: rickb223 at April 25, 2018 02:42 PM (2ifxQ)

12 Just how do the four commie assholes on the SC justify their consistent anti-Constitutional rulings?

Why aren't they being dragged out of their chambers and keel-hauled?

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at April 25, 2018 02:42 PM (jjaLl)

13 It's a tax!

- Dread Justice Roberts

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at April 25, 2018 02:42 PM (uDcBt)

14 Never mind that the President's authority to do this is well-established, by one of the most clearly written statutes on the books. I'm tired of the Rule of Muh Feelz.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 25, 2018 02:42 PM (NWiLs)

15 Oh I'm sure that Kagan and Sotomayor can count on Roberts in the clutch.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 25, 2018 02:42 PM (p84Bu)

16 A Kritarchy, if you can keep it.

Posted by: ShainS at April 25, 2018 02:42 PM (r4KS6)

17 It begs the question - if the President doesn't have the authority to make these decisions about incoming visitors & immigrants, then who does?
Posted by: josephistan at April 25, 2018 02:41 PM (7HtZB)

Democrat Presidents.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at April 25, 2018 02:42 PM (Tnhbr)

18 It begs the question - if the President doesn't have the authority to make these decisions about incoming visitors & immigrants, then who does?
Posted by: josephistan

*cough cough*
Posted by: Random Hawaiian Judge

Posted by: rickb223 at April 25, 2018 02:43 PM (2ifxQ)

19 Just how do the four commie assholes on the SC justify their consistent anti-Constitutional rulings?

Why aren't they being dragged out of their chambers and keel-hauled?
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at April 25, 2018 02:42 PM (jjaLl)

What, impeach them?

With a Republican-controlled Congress?

BWAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!

Posted by: filbert at April 25, 2018 02:43 PM (953wK)

20 Justice by "heartstring". Got it.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, I'm your Huckleberry! at April 25, 2018 02:43 PM (rBnYq)

21 It begs the question - if the President doesn't have the authority to make these decisions about incoming visitors & immigrants, then who does?
Posted by: josephistan at April 25, 2018 02:41 PM

Unelected bureaucrat #524118.

Posted by: Flyguy at April 25, 2018 02:43 PM (3sOO0)

22 I don't really like the term "conservative judges" because that implies a political connotation or some special category. These people are just proper judges following constitutional restraint, as is their duty and job. They're the default, they are how judges are supposed to be. Its the other judges who are the labels, the oddities, the political, and the special category.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 25, 2018 02:43 PM (39g3+)

23
Seems to me if the Executive Branch isn't retained in its power here, this will be an usurpation from the Judicial Branch. I think it would be valid for the Executive to ignore.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 25, 2018 02:43 PM (r+sAi)

24 Heard a bit on radio news today on this, question is Does the constitution say its the President's decision or not?

Posted by: Skip at April 25, 2018 02:43 PM (aC6Sd)

25 It's a Tax!

*GAVEL*

Posted by: John Roberts and his Illegal Irish Kids at April 25, 2018 02:44 PM (9TK8E)

26 Who knows with Kennedy? I think he picks the decision in which he can offer the most sanctimonious opinion.

Posted by: DaveD at April 25, 2018 02:44 PM (P5fqQ)

27 I said in an earlier thread that I have come over to the Ace position ( I believe) of a National Divorce... the constant adjudicating of what "I" see as fundamental commonsense gives the Federal Judiciary too much power that impacts too many people.

Posted by: kraken at April 25, 2018 02:44 PM (zSVEm)

28 10
It begs the question - if the President doesn't have the authority to
make these decisions about incoming visitors immigrants, then who
does?

Posted by: josephistan at April 25, 2018 02:41 PM (7HtZB)

What part of, "Supreme," do you not understand??

Posted by: SUPREME Court Justice at April 25, 2018 02:44 PM (djCea)

29 Justice Elena Kagan asked Francisco how thoroughly the court could review a ban on migration from Israel enacted by an openly anti-Semitic president...

Ummmmmm...what?

Posted by: tu3031 at April 25, 2018 02:41 PM

She's not only short in stature, but short in brains.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at April 25, 2018 02:44 PM (LOgQ4)

30 Funny how they say "Deeply divided" and "Tenuous Majority".

I think it's going to be a 7-2 decision.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 25, 2018 02:44 PM (k1TUh)

31 The liberal judges are hypothetically accusing Trump of "mind crimes."

Posted by: Max Power at April 25, 2018 02:44 PM (q177U)

32 "8 Oh, Kennedy will dick it over. He just likes to promise lube before he dorks you dry.
Posted by: joncelli,"

Maybe. But he did vote the right way in Heller and O-Care.

Posted by: Benji Carver at April 25, 2018 02:44 PM (OD2ni)

33 It begs the question - if the President doesn't have the authority to make these decisions about incoming visitors & immigrants, then who does?

Congress!

And because congress has delegated so much of its authority to bureaucrats, I guess my final answer is:

Bureaucrats!

/sarc

Posted by: bonhomme at April 25, 2018 02:44 PM (iv0p7)

34 1 Say whaaat?

Posted by: Stewie at April 25, 2018 02:37 PM (Q/az

Everybody go, ho-tel mo-tel ho-li-day inn
Say if your girl starts actin up, then you take her friend

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at April 25, 2018 02:44 PM (Dp6qK)

35 4 JUNE!?!?!?!

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at April 25, 2018 02:39 PM (jjaLl)

End of Supreme Court session. They release their decisions from all the high profile cases and then get the heck outta dodge.

Posted by: WisRich at April 25, 2018 02:45 PM (G0vdT)

36 It begs the question - if the President doesn't have the authority
to make these decisions about incoming visitors immigrants, then
who does?

Posted by: josephistan at April 25, 2018 02:41 PM

======================

Democrats.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, I'm your Huckleberry! at April 25, 2018 02:45 PM (rBnYq)

37 Justice Elena Kagan asked Francisco how thoroughly the court could review a ban on migration from Israel enacted by an openly anti-Semitic president,
You mean like when FDR condemned a shipload if Jews to desth?

Posted by: steevy at April 25, 2018 02:45 PM (LiyEm)

38 RBG and Souter really need to elope together to the other side of the planet.

Please do it now.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 25, 2018 02:45 PM (aFMSC)

39 Yet, British judges today vote 'fuck you, kid, to the gallows.'

So much for the 'compassion' standard.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 25, 2018 02:45 PM (oVJmc)

40 Heard a bit on radio news today on this, question is Does the constitution say its the President's decision or not? <<<<<<<<<

That's the point of the hearing.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 25, 2018 02:45 PM (r+sAi)

41 It begs the question - if the President doesn't have the authority to make these decisions about incoming visitors & immigrants, then who does?
Posted by: josephistan at April 25, 2018 02:41 PM

*Clears throat*

Posted by: SomeHawaiianjudge at April 25, 2018 02:45 PM (Z48ZB)

42 It begs the question - if the President doesn't have the authority to make these decisions about incoming visitors & immigrants, then who does?
Posted by: josephistan at April 25, 2018 02:41 PM (7HtZB)

I do and all of my other black robed philosopher kings.

Posted by: Hawaiian Judge at April 25, 2018 02:46 PM (J70i0)

43 I said in an earlier thread that I have come over to the Ace position ( I believe) of a National Divorce... the constant adjudicating of what "I" see as fundamental commonsense gives the Federal Judiciary too much power that impacts too many people.
Posted by: kraken at April 25, 2018 02:44 PM (zSVEm)

I'm okay with the National Divorce only as long as we, the Constitutionalists, get Full Custody and they, the radicals, do not even get Visitation Rights.

Because they've been cheating on us for years with Karl Marx, the wanton tramps!

Posted by: filbert at April 25, 2018 02:46 PM (953wK)

44 22 I don't really like the term "conservative judges" because that implies a political connotation or some special category. These people are just proper judges following constitutional restraint, as is their duty and job. They're the default, they are how judges are supposed to be. Its the other judges who are the labels, the oddities, the political, and the special category.
-------------
THIS!

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at April 25, 2018 02:46 PM (mfjYD)

45 Oh look another vaguely disguised death threat against Trump from a Democrat.This time Al Gore...

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/295109/

Posted by: steevy at April 25, 2018 02:46 PM (LiyEm)

46 End of Supreme Court session. They release their decisions from all the high profile cases and then get the heck outta dodge.

Posted by: WisRich at April 25, 2018 02:45 PM (G0vdT)

Oh, right.
I have to stop posting the first thing that pops into my head......

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at April 25, 2018 02:46 PM (jjaLl)

47 Kagan's a lightweight.

Trump didn't ban 'muslims,' if he did he sure missed a lot of countries they come from.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 25, 2018 02:46 PM (oVJmc)

48 "It begs the question - if the President doesn't have the authority to make these decisions about incoming visitors & immigrants, then who does?
Posted by: josephistan"

We do.

Posted by: The Democrat Party at April 25, 2018 02:46 PM (OD2ni)

49 39 Yet, British judges today vote 'fuck you, kid, to the gallows.'

So much for the 'compassion' standard.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 25, 2018 02:45 PM (oVJmc)

Judges, Ghouls, same difference.

Posted by: Hikaru at April 25, 2018 02:46 PM (9TK8E)

50 I If I was president I would be firing up Marine One right about now.

Posted by: Max Power at April 25, 2018 02:46 PM (q177U)

51 45 Oh look another vaguely disguised death threat against Trump from a Democrat.This time Al Gore...

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/295109/
Posted by: steevy at April 25, 2018 02:46 PM (LiyEm)

===============

I remember when Dick Cheney vaguely threatened Obama's life.

Oh wait...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 25, 2018 02:47 PM (aFMSC)

52 Justice Kennedy is all about being The Decider, the man who makes the all in the court. He likes to be the important guy in the room, and he may go any direction really.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 25, 2018 02:47 PM (39g3+)

53 47 Kagan's a lightweight.

Trump didn't ban 'muslims,' if he did he sure missed a lot of countries they come from.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 25, 2018 02:46 PM (oVJmc)

============

She's probably the smartest of the 4, too.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 25, 2018 02:47 PM (aFMSC)

54 please, please, please, please, please

Posted by: concrete girl at April 25, 2018 02:47 PM (zr8oO)

55
The president has the authority to -- in a WWII level event where Jews are being exterminated -- open up immigration from those countries. It's in his job description, Justice Kagan.

You want some judge in Hawaii to take that power away from him.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at April 25, 2018 02:48 PM (LOgQ4)

56 Thank you God Pantsuit is not President. She would have put a marxist leaning judge on the panel is my guess. We'd be toast. One and done.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 25, 2018 02:48 PM (feFsi)

57 Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg wondered why a ten-year-old with cerebral palsy from a sanctioned country was denied a visa, despite exceptions proscribed for immigrants seeking medical care.

Proscribed means forbidden by law. TDC should fine their editor.

Posted by: bonhomme at April 25, 2018 02:48 PM (iv0p7)

58 52 Justice Kennedy is all about being The Decider, the man who makes the all in the court. He likes to be the important guy in the room, and he may go any direction really.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 25, 2018 02:47 PM (39g3+)

============

I look forward to his retirement. May it come soon and last many years as Trump's replacement acts more like Scalia than Kennedy's worst nightmare.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 25, 2018 02:48 PM (aFMSC)

59 45 Oh look another vaguely disguised death threat against Trump from a Democrat.This time Al Gore...

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/295109/
Posted by: steevy at April 25, 2018 02:46 PM (LiyEm)

Yeah... all of this Trump Derangement is totally out of hand.... Two Words.... Red. Guard.

Posted by: kraken at April 25, 2018 02:49 PM (zSVEm)

60 53 47 Kagan's a lightweight.

Trump didn't ban 'muslims,' if he did he sure missed a lot of countries they come from.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 25, 2018 02:46 PM (oVJmc)

============

She's probably the smartest of the 4, too.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 25, 2018 02:47 PM (aFMSC)
--------

Heh, I was thinking the same thing: She's the "intellectual" of the Liberal block.

Posted by: WisRich at April 25, 2018 02:49 PM (G0vdT)

61 If this travel policy is found racist, there is a Simple Solution,

SHUT IT ALL DOWN!

Posted by: rd at April 25, 2018 02:49 PM (4dz1m)

62 "Justice Kennedy is all about being The Decider, the man who makes the all in the court. He likes to be the important guy in the room, and he may go any direction really.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor"

I doubt he cares much about this case which is why I think he will side with Trump. He's dying to write the gay wedding cake case.

Posted by: Benji Carver at April 25, 2018 02:49 PM (OD2ni)

63 I remember when Dick Cheney vaguely threatened Obama's life.

Oh wait...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 25, 2018 02:47 PM (aFMSC)

I remember that. It was the time Cheney invited O'Bama to go grouse hunting.

Posted by: DR.WTF? at April 25, 2018 02:49 PM (T71PA)

64 20 Justice by "heartstring". Got it.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, I'm your Huckleberry! at April 25, 2018 02:43 PM (rBnYq)

"But what if a Salvadoran bunny with a broken leg has to come into the country for a vital, life-saving operation? What then, Hatey McHaterson!?"

Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at April 25, 2018 02:49 PM (RD7QR)

65 I would answer her question with a question? Under what theory do you think the President would ban people from Israel from immigrating? Has Israel become a hotbed of anti American terrorists?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 25, 2018 02:49 PM (t8kZU)

66 I can't wait to see the judges in front of the Troikas. That'll be grand. Maybe the best part of the reckoning. Maybe.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 25, 2018 02:49 PM (p84Bu)

67 I can't watch this unfold. My day is already a pressure cooker.

Before I go, did we get an Ace allergy update?

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 25, 2018 02:50 PM (feFsi)

68 And, IIRC, Obama was deliberately excluding middle-eastern Christians from the refugee program.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 25, 2018 02:50 PM (oVJmc)

69 Oh look another vaguely disguised death threat against Trump from a Democrat.This time Al Gore...

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/295109/

Posted by: steevy at April 25, 2018 02:46 PM (LiyEm)

Holy shit.
Al Gore is absolutely 100% certified fucking insane. He is literally living in an alternate universe.

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at April 25, 2018 02:50 PM (jjaLl)

70 31 The liberal judges are hypothetically accusing Trump of "mind crimes."
Posted by: Max Power at April 25, 2018 02:44 PM (q177U)

Great album

youtube.com/watch?v=9r-i8edI6MQ

Posted by: josephistan at April 25, 2018 02:50 PM (7HtZB)

71 We must let in a million jihadists, to save the millions of little girls in the world that want free health care ... free for them, that is.

By the same logic, all the third world must be allowed entry and welfare ... if it will save just one child (that utopian BS means it is demanded that we throw away our heritage and our own liberties.)

Four commie "Justices" seeking to destroy our free country. Trump needs two terms to replace at least a couple of them.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 25, 2018 02:50 PM (bT8Z4)

72 24 Heard a bit on radio news today on this, question is Does the constitution say its the President's decision or not?"

Constitution - the power is held by Congress, but the Executive has the duty to enforce the laws that Congress passes, as well as the duty to defend this countries borders.

To get even more detailed, through the Plenary Power doctrine, the Judiciary is not supposed to be involved in any of these decisions unless the Congress itself grants them the power to review the executives decisions in this area.

The best constitutional answer is that the Judiciary does not have the authority to rule in this area.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 25, 2018 02:50 PM (k1TUh)

73 29 Justice Elena Kagan asked Francisco how thoroughly the court could review a ban on migration from Israel enacted by an openly anti-Semitic president...
______________________

I don't recall the court having any issues when an openly anti-white president was fighting to deport whites back to Germany (after they'd tried to claim asylum here because Germany refused to let them homeschool their kids).

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 25, 2018 02:50 PM (fqUgw)

74 Wasn't there a saying, "hard cases make bad law"? Wasn't that a thing?

Maybe it was sad cases make bad law.

Posted by: Jeanne del norte at April 25, 2018 02:50 PM (efMXe)

75 They're not Liberal, they're Progressive.

Posted by: davidt at April 25, 2018 02:50 PM (djCea)

76 Tweet from the Merseyside police department in the UK:

We've issued a statement this evening to make people aware that social media posts which are being posted in relation to Alder Hey and the Alfie Evans situation are being monitored and may be acted upon.

Big Brother is watching

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 25, 2018 02:50 PM (39g3+)

77 please, please, please, please, please
Posted by: concrete girl at April 25, 2018 02:47 PM (zr8oO)

-----

Let me, let me, let me
Let me get what I want

Posted by: fixerupper at April 25, 2018 02:50 PM (8XRCm)

78 64 20 Justice by "heartstring". Got it.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, I'm your Huckleberry! at April 25, 2018 02:43 PM (rBnYq)

"But what if a Salvadoran bunny with a broken leg has to come into the country for a vital, life-saving operation? What then, Hatey McHaterson!?"
Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at April 25, 2018 02:49 PM (RD7QR)

=============

"What if a young, bisexual tranny African American has to spend their last dollar in sales tax?"

--------2 months later in a written opinion----------

"The sales tax is unconstitutional for reasons of heartstrings."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 25, 2018 02:51 PM (aFMSC)

79 pull-the-heartstrings hypotheticals designed to elicit sympathy

-
I have no sympathy for the we-can't-break-up-families argument. Every time we imprison a bank robber, rapist, or murderer we break up a family.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 25, 2018 02:51 PM (+y/Ru)

80 68 And, IIRC, Obama was deliberately excluding middle-eastern Christians from the refugee program.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 25, 2018 02:50 PM (oVJmc)

I heard he got leeched, and prayed over at some Tent Revival....

Posted by: kraken at April 25, 2018 02:51 PM (zSVEm)

81 Just how do the four commie assholes on the SC justify their consistent anti-Constitutional rulings?

Why aren't they being dragged out of their chambers and keel-hauled?

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at April 25, 2018 02:42 PM (jjaLl)

Protected class

emocrat women

Posted by: Timon at April 25, 2018 02:51 PM (NTM5E)

82 76 Tweet from the Merseyside police department in the UK:

We've issued a statement this evening to make people aware that social media posts which are being posted in relation to Alder Hey and the Alfie Evans situation are being monitored and may be acted upon.

Big Brother is watching
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 25, 2018 02:50 PM (39g3+)

Dissent is counterrevolutionary, comrade. Off to Lubyanka with you!

Posted by: Insomniac at April 25, 2018 02:51 PM (NWiLs)

83 "She's probably the smartest of the 4, too.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 25, 2018 02:47 PM (aFMSC)
--------

Heh, I was thinking the same thing: She's the "intellectual" of the Liberal block.
Posted by: WisRich"

She is the smartest and also the most partisan of the 4. I have colleagues that argued before Sotomayor when she was on the 2nd Circuit and they say she was an unprepared, arrogant idiot.

Posted by: Benji Carver at April 25, 2018 02:52 PM (OD2ni)

84 It begs the question - if the President doesn't have the authority
to make these decisions about incoming visitors immigrants, then
who does?

Posted by: josephistan at April 25, 2018 02:41 PM

King Kamehameha.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at April 25, 2018 02:52 PM (Dp6qK)

85 Why would Kagan be asking about a travel ban on Israel from an openly anti-semitic president when Obama is now out of office? I don't get it.

Posted by: SFgoth at April 25, 2018 02:52 PM (dZ756)

86 67 I can't watch this unfold. My day is already a pressure cooker. "

Actually this one should make you feel good. The leftist news outlets (all of them) are already starting to prepare the True Believers for the sad news that these Appeals Courts were full of shit, and that the Supreme Court is going to rule in Trump's favor.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 25, 2018 02:52 PM (k1TUh)

87 Dot, dot, dot...dash,dash,dash

Repeat

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 25, 2018 02:52 PM (feFsi)

88 It doesn't take much to make a Leftist decision, group think has already spelled it out for you.

Posted by: Skip at April 25, 2018 02:52 PM (aC6Sd)

89 Justice Elena Kagan asked Francisco how thoroughly the court could review a ban on migration from Israel enacted by an openly anti-Semitic president

The president being a jerk is still not grounds for courts to say he has no power over immigration. FDR was wrong to do so, but within his powers to reject the St Louis from landing and disembarking its Jewish refugees. No court has the power to order him to do anything at all in regards to immigration limits.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 25, 2018 02:52 PM (39g3+)

90 Justice Elena Kagan asked Francisco how thoroughly the court could
review a ban on migration from Israel enacted by an openly anti-Semitic
president...

Ummmmmm...what?
Posted by: tu3031 at April 25, 2018 02:41 PM (O5Q3r)

========

If Israelis had the tendency to blow themselves up, go on shooting sprees and run down Americans in trucks when they got here, then the President would have a *duty* to ban them from the country, even if he were anti-semitic.

You should always allow people to do the right thing, even if you question their motivations. You should always do the right thing, even if you question your own motivations.

Apparently Kagan thinks all she needs to do is question someone's motivations and that is enough to stop them from doing what is right.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 25, 2018 02:52 PM (/qEW2)

91 Posted by: josephistan at April 25, 2018 02:41 PM

King Kamehameha.
Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at April 25, 2018 02:52 PM (Dp6qK)

King?

Posted by: Goku at April 25, 2018 02:53 PM (NWiLs)

92 Not sure how the smiley face got in there.

Posted by: Timon at April 25, 2018 02:53 PM (NTM5E)

93 62 "Justice Kennedy is all about being The Decider, the man who makes the all in the court. He likes to be the important guy in the room, and he may go any direction really.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor"

I doubt he cares much about this case which is why I think he will side with Trump. He's dying to write the gay wedding cake case.
Posted by: Benji Carver at April 25, 2018 02:49 PM (OD2ni)

The logic will be tortured so hard you can hear the screams in Geneva.

Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at April 25, 2018 02:53 PM (RD7QR)

94 >"But what if a Salvadoran bunny with a broken leg
has to come into the country for a vital, life-saving operation? What
then, Hatey McHaterson!?"

Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at April 25, 2018 02:49 PM (RD7QR)

Deplorable Gourmet pages 240-241.

Posted by: Muad'dib at April 25, 2018 02:53 PM (sjdRT)

95 This doesn't seem like a tax. So I'm not sure how I can uphold it.

Posted by: The Honorable John-Boy Roberts at April 25, 2018 02:54 PM (knDqF)

96 Good thing we got the "wise Latina" on there to ask all the sob story hypotheticals.

Posted by: brak at April 25, 2018 02:54 PM (VckGX)

97 I doubt he cares much about this case which is why I think he will side with Trump. He's dying to write the gay wedding cake case.

He may not make it that far, though. Guy is very old, retiring, and in bad health.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 25, 2018 02:54 PM (39g3+)

98 How the fuck is this even a question... The USSC has already ruled that the President has unilateral power to control immigration and to deny entrance to anyone at anytime for any reason... The law is clear and irrefutable.. So when did the standard of law become, 'it only applies if we like you and agree that you should have won the Presidency"???

Posted by: I smell something rotten at April 25, 2018 02:55 PM (iWzUm)

99 Not sure how the smiley face got in there.

Posted by: Timon at April 25, 2018 02:53 PM (NTM5E)

Somehow, it worked.

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at April 25, 2018 02:55 PM (jjaLl)

100
Kagan's a lightweight.<<<<<<<

says you!

Posted by: Kagan's Bathroom Scale at April 25, 2018 02:55 PM (r+sAi)

101 "The logic will be tortured so hard you can hear the screams in Geneva.
Posted by: joncelli,"

No doubt. I believe Scalia wrote that Kennedy's legal wisdom in the gay wedding case was as deep as a fortune cookie.

Posted by: Benji Carver at April 25, 2018 02:55 PM (OD2ni)

102 They just happen

Posted by: Skip at April 25, 2018 02:55 PM (aC6Sd)

103
So when did the standard of law become, 'it only applies if we like you and agree that you should have won the Presidency"???

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Living.
Breathing.
Constitution.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 25, 2018 02:55 PM (8XRCm)

104 Ya know that Kagan chick? I don't like her.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 25, 2018 02:55 PM (feFsi)

105 This is he ultimate battle between left and right. The left only cares about how things feel. The right only cares about the truth.

Is this constitutional or not? Then I don't give a rat's ass how you feel about it. That's what a judge should be deciding here. And that's all they should be deciding.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 25, 2018 02:56 PM (39g3+)

106 Kagan's a lightweight.

Trump didn't ban 'muslims,' if he did he sure missed a lot of countries they come from.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 25, 2018 02:46 PM (oVJmc)
She was absent the day they taught law at harvard law school...

Posted by: Timon at April 25, 2018 02:56 PM (NTM5E)

107 Kagan's a lightweight.

-
250 lbs. of lightweight.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 25, 2018 02:56 PM (+y/Ru)

108 It's against the religion of obedience to the State that these children should survive by being treated outside of the State.The UK now.

Posted by: steevy at April 25, 2018 02:56 PM (LiyEm)

109 Supreme Court Justice Loretta Lynch
Supreme Court Justice Eric Holder

Just think of the bullets we dodged.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at April 25, 2018 02:56 PM (3dsTO)

110 79 pull-the-heartstrings hypotheticals designed to elicit sympathy "

All of the questions like this are just public grandstanding and virtue signalling - this is supposed to be a Serious Court based on basic judicial principles, not Sad Sad Stories. Be assured that every Justice there, even the other liberals, roll their eyes when they hear brain dead hypothetical questions like this. It's just a way to kill time in the hearing and pretend that particular Justice has something to say when, in fact, they don't.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 25, 2018 02:56 PM (k1TUh)

111 http://smilies.mee.nu/

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at April 25, 2018 02:56 PM (jjaLl)

112 85 Why would Kagan be asking about a travel ban on Israel from an openly anti-semitic president when Obama is now out of office? I don't get it.
__________________

As Barky's Solicitor General and subordinate, she couldn't ask about it when he was president. She had a disqualifying conflict of interest.

(Not that that stopped her from ruling on Barky's 0-care case. Ethics rules are for the little people!)

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 25, 2018 02:56 PM (fqUgw)

113 The president is an admirer of Jackson, he knows how it's done. He is waiting for the appropriate moment of sentiment; it's an assett of his negotiating technique.

Posted by: gNewt at April 25, 2018 02:56 PM (Zc7fg)

114 The president is an admirer of Jackson, he knows how it's done. He is waiting for the appropriate moment of sentiment; it's an asset of his negotiating technique.

Posted by: gNewt at April 25, 2018 02:56 PM (Zc7fg)

115 the liberal bloc peppered Solicitor General Noel Francisco with brutal hypotheticals and heart-wrenching examples of migrants denied entry to the United States since Trump took office.

SO what? That has nothing to do with law or our national sovereignty. No alien has a "right" to come to America, FFS.

These leftist justices aren't qualified to sit on any bench other than a park bench.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 25, 2018 02:56 PM (8gDQu)

116 It's the damned LAW. Follow it. Period.
You'd think so-called judges would know that.

Posted by: Leonard Pinth-Garnell at April 25, 2018 02:57 PM (7A6l6)

117 Ya know that Kagan chick? I don't like her.
Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 25, 2018 02:55 PM (feFsi)

-----

What? She plays *softball*!

Posted by: fixerupper at April 25, 2018 02:57 PM (8XRCm)

118 Farce.

There's nothing the least bit complicated about it, and as usual almost none of the discussion in the court is relevant, or within the proper ambit of the court.

The president exercised clear authority under existing law to limit admissions based on national security considerations - which were equally obvious and unassailable (per intel agencies, subject countries were hotbeds of jihadi recruiting, and no real background vetting is feasible because failed states).

I don't see any hope for de-f**king the judicial collapse, precisely because once the basic integrity and lawful boundaries are gone, some personnel changes aren't getting it backed.

None of the cited crap by RBG or Kagan have the slightest relevance to the court's authorities or responsibilities. They're not legislators, they're not participants at an inter-agency meeting. They have no say in policy - none.

Of course, if the government has been arguing their case on any other basis than the one I outlined above - clear exercise of presidential authority under the law, there is no possibility of "standing" for any party, the court has no role other than that shown by the MA district court of simply affirming that the presidential actions are within the law - then *they* are part of the problem.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 25, 2018 02:57 PM (QDnY+)

119 I am sick and tired of all of this bullshit, the legal issues over Trump's temporary travel ban aren't complicated.

Unless you believe that there's a penumbra that gives any alien the right to come here anytime.

Aliens have no right to come here, but once they are here they have some rights under the 14th Amendment, which is also dubious, but I digress, this would include green card holders coming back from abroad.

Congress has plenary power here. Plenary = unqualified.

Congress has delegated its powers to the President. See 8 U.S. Code 1182 - Inadmissible aliens, which in relevant part reads:

"Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate."

Pretty clear, no?

NOW FUCK OFF!!!

Posted by: Kreplach at April 25, 2018 02:57 PM (UfMVm)

120 Very interesting.

Posted by: gNewt at April 25, 2018 02:57 PM (Zc7fg)

121 No doubt. I believe Scalia wrote that Kennedy's legal wisdom in the gay wedding case was as deep as a fortune cookie.

Posted by: Benji Carver at April 25, 2018 02:55 PM (OD2ni)

I miss him. He had a way with words.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at April 25, 2018 02:57 PM (Dp6qK)

122 Kagan's a lightweight.

But she played a heavyweight in "Here Comes the Boom"

Posted by: brak at April 25, 2018 02:57 PM (VckGX)

123 "Ya know that Kagan chick? I don't like her.
Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 25, 2018 02:55 PM (feFsi)"

She is just angry that she looks like a a fatter, uglier Lou Costello.

Posted by: Benji Carver at April 25, 2018 02:58 PM (OD2ni)

124 Interpretation.

Posted by: davidt at April 25, 2018 02:58 PM (djCea)

125 Very Interesting.

Posted by: Amy Schumer at April 25, 2018 02:58 PM (jjaLl)

126 76
the NHS
can't escape it
cant bitch about it
it really is like East Germany

Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at April 25, 2018 02:58 PM (hMwEB)

127 Dot, dot, dot...dash,dash,dash

Repeat
Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 25, 2018 02:52 PM (feFsi)

So?

Posted by: DR.WTF? at April 25, 2018 02:58 PM (T71PA)

128 106 Kagan's a lightweight.

Trump didn't ban 'muslims,' if he did he sure missed a lot of countries they come from.
____________________

And the list Trump used came from . . . the Obama administration.

Raaaaaaaacist!!! when Trump uses the list, but enlightened and progressive and safety-oriented when Kagan's boss Barky used it!

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 25, 2018 02:58 PM (fqUgw)

129 I miss him. He had a way with words.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at April 25, 2018 02:57 PM (Dp6qK)
Yup...very sad and fishy.

Posted by: Timon at April 25, 2018 02:59 PM (NTM5E)

130 65 I would answer her question with a question? Under what theory do you think the President would ban people from Israel from immigrating? Has Israel become a hotbed of anti American terrorists?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 25, 2018 02:49 PM (t8kZU)

Well, there are the tornadoes, hurricanes, blizzards, flash floods...

Posted by: rickl at April 25, 2018 02:59 PM (xjiRE)

131

Posted by: Insomniac at April 25, 2018 02:59 PM (NWiLs)

132 >>>please, please, please, please, please
>>>>Let me, let me, let me Let me get what I want

tremendous SATISFACTION

Posted by: concrete girl at April 25, 2018 02:59 PM (zr8oO)

133 http://bit.ly/2JtHYBv
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Report: Disney CEO Bob Iger Aware of John Lasseter's Alleged Sexual Misconduct Since 2010
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HMMMM all the even remotely thinking about running outsiders in Democrat Party & being destroyed

Posted by: Sorry/ Not Sorry at April 25, 2018 02:59 PM (y3aQB)

134 If this country is ruled by the vague feelings of judges, then the representative republic is already dead.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 25, 2018 03:00 PM (7ZVPa)

135 I believe Scalia wrote that Kennedy's legal wisdom in the gay wedding case was as deep as a fortune cookie.

Well, it was. Like he was a Liberal Arts Major doing a prose piece of gay love, blah, blah, blah.

It was embarrassing to legal scholars. The media swooned.

Ya know, that case was lost because the lawyers did not make a good case. They just weren't prepared enough. They didn't have the ability of the pro gay contingency. They were left at loose ends often...no answers. It was sad. Ya gotta bring your A game, and they did not.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 25, 2018 03:01 PM (feFsi)

136 How about we just close the borders and have a lot of kids?

Posted by: TexasDan at April 25, 2018 03:01 PM (yL25O)

137 Justice Elena Kagan asked Francisco how thoroughly the court could review a ban on migration from Israel enacted by an openly anti-Semitic president,

Barky shut off all air traffic to Israel under the laughable excuse that Hamas was shooting spit balls in the air. While that was wrong 8000 different ways, there was nothing "illegal" about it. The US is allowed to do anything it wants with respect to people and places outside of American territory, with or without any justification.

The sainted FDR turned Jews back to Germany during the Holocaust. Again, it was a fairly nasty thing but there was nothing illegal about it. The American government exists solely to serve American interests. We have no obligations to help anyone else. If we decide to, then that is just their luck but it is NEVER our obligation.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 25, 2018 03:01 PM (8gDQu)

138 133 http://bit.ly/2JtHYBv
=====
Report: Disney CEO Bob Iger Aware of John Lasseter's Alleged Sexual Misconduct Since 2010
=====
HMMMM all the even remotely thinking about running outsiders in Democrat Party & being destroyed
Posted by: Sorry/ Not Sorry at April 25, 2018 02:59 PM (y3aQB)

=============

Well, there goes his presidential aspirations.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 25, 2018 03:01 PM (aFMSC)

139 131

Posted by: Insomniac at April 25, 2018 02:59 PM (NWiLs)

Wizard

Posted by: gNewt at April 25, 2018 03:01 PM (Zc7fg)

140 It's a tax!

- Dread Justice Roberts

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at April 25, 2018 02:42 PM (uDcBt)
............

I AM THE LAW !!!

Posted by: Judge Dredd Roberts at April 25, 2018 03:01 PM (HgMAr)

141 10 It begs the question - if the President doesn't have the authority to make these decisions about incoming visitors & immigrants, then who does?
Posted by: josephistan

The Supreme Court of course. Always check the penumbras before asking silly questions.

Posted by: Clay, unimpressed with your wokeness at April 25, 2018 03:01 PM (8H/yo)

142 @134

This is the problem even for so-called conservative justices, they all reason to result.

We are literally on quicksand with regards to law.

Posted by: Kreplach at April 25, 2018 03:02 PM (UfMVm)

143 >>did we get an Ace allergy update?

Turns out Ace was Allergic to his Mohair Jerksock.

Posted by: garrett at April 25, 2018 03:02 PM (47uml)

144 >136
How about we just close the borders and have a lot of kids?

Posted by: TexasDan at April 25, 2018 03:01 PM (yL25O)

Well this is awfully sudden TexasDan. I don't know what to say right now.

Posted by: Muad'dib at April 25, 2018 03:02 PM (sjdRT)

145 If this country is ruled by the vague feelings of judges, then the representative republic is already dead.

-
A princess and the pea judiciary.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 25, 2018 03:02 PM (+y/Ru)

146 It's going to be Willie Brown's ex.

Posted by: gNewt at April 25, 2018 03:02 PM (Zc7fg)

147 If Clinton had won, and packed the Judiciary with Leftists, we would be beside ourselves over the hellish rulings they would produce. This is because our side simply does not want the Progressivism ... we can't abide it.
The problem of having our lives dictated from Washington goes far deeper than who currently holds the Presidency, or who is on the SC.
The country is far too disparate for that to work now.

Posted by: kraken at April 25, 2018 03:02 PM (zSVEm)

148 Tom Servo, what? Guess you don't follow too many federal cases. Check out the district court/appeals court decisions on some of the O-care cases - judges explicitly framing the issue as one of policy, with policy outcomes (absurd, imagine ones, to boot) being the determinant of legal "rulings".

SCOTUS might be too conscious of looking *too* ridiculous - well, sometimes, anyway, there's always Bush v. Hamdan, when they fly the idiot flag shamelessly - so they try to clothe their arbitrary policy/legislative decisions in (ludicrous) legal "reasoning". But lower courts are increasingly candid.

And there's always Kennedy's idiotic, arrogant, bigoted rant in his marriage redefinition legislation.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 25, 2018 03:03 PM (QDnY+)

149 105 This is he ultimate battle between left and right. The left only cares about how things feel. The right only cares about the truth.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 25, 2018 02:56 PM (39g3+)

Spoiler Alert chief ... they think the exact same way about you.

Quite a bit of what folks call Truth sounds like Bullshit to me.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 25, 2018 03:03 PM (nhgiS)

150 slightly O/T but I missed the last thread:
The courts used to always try to uphold these three principles: (1) property rights (2) free enterprise (3) marriage.
It used to be what was considered essential for a stable and free society.

Posted by: artemis at April 25, 2018 03:03 PM (AwPyG)

151 147 If Clinton had won, and packed the Judiciary with Leftists, we would be beside ourselves over the hellish rulings they would produce. This is because our side simply does not want the Progressivism ... we can't abide it.
The problem of having our lives dictated from Washington goes far deeper than who currently holds the Presidency, or who is on the SC.
The country is far too disparate for that to work now.
Posted by: kraken at April 25, 2018 03:02 PM (zSVEm)

===========

And progressives cannot abide people doing things they don't like for reasons they don't like or understand.

"He raising his children to believe in a make believe deity!"

"And you're not raising any kids. Sod off."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 25, 2018 03:03 PM (aFMSC)

152 I heart Judge Wapner!

Posted by: Joe Biden at April 25, 2018 03:04 PM (JHwDP)

153 Rush today on my way home went over the war on President Trump and anyone associated. He started with the Bush/Gore election and how that started. Its total war called by Leftists to stop, monkey fk or grind to a halt every and all decisions by President Trump.

Posted by: Skip at April 25, 2018 03:04 PM (aC6Sd)

154 It begs the question - if the President doesn't have the authority to make these decisions about incoming visitors & immigrants, then who does?
Posted by: josephistan
********************

In order for the prez to over ride the courts he must have subordinates who will follow his lead.

Posted by: gNewt at April 25, 2018 03:05 PM (Zc7fg)

155 Spoiler Alert chief ... they think the exact same way about you.

Nobody accuses the right of being too emotional. And the left rejects "truth" as a social construct. But other than that: dead on!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 25, 2018 03:05 PM (39g3+)

156 What does a Big Kahuna Hawaiian Judge wear?

Posted by: Gumby at April 25, 2018 03:05 PM (2LelM)

157

A national memorial for victims of lynching opens Thursday in Montgomery, Alabama. The Equal Justice Initiative, the group behind the memorial, has identified 4,400 victims of lynching between 1877 and 1950 and engraved their names on blocks of rusted steel that hang from the ceiling of a large pavilion.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 25, 2018 03:05 PM (IqV8l)

158 >156
What does a Big Kahuna Hawaiian Judge wear?

Posted by: Gumby at April 25, 2018 03:05 PM (2LelM)

Big black Mu-Mu.

Posted by: Muad'dib at April 25, 2018 03:06 PM (sjdRT)

159 What does a Big Kahuna Hawaiian Judge wear?
=====

A floral robe.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 25, 2018 03:06 PM (MIKMs)

160 If this country is ruled by the vague feelings of judges, then the representative republic is already dead.

It is.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 25, 2018 03:06 PM (2ifxQ)

161 >>>Justice Elena Kagan asked Francisco how thoroughly the court could review a ban on migration from Israel enacted by an openly anti-Semitic president,

If she is heterosexual, then how come she doesn't recuse her ass from any and all gay alphabet-soup cases, like fascist birthday cake police actions? Little miss hostile justice.

Posted by: Roy at April 25, 2018 03:07 PM (7n4KQ)

162 A national memorial for victims of lynching opens Thursday in Montgomery, Alabama. The Equal Justice Initiative, the group behind the memorial, has identified 4,400 victims of lynching between 1877 and 1950 and engraved their names on blocks of rusted steel that hang from the ceiling of a large pavilion.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 25, 2018 03:05 PM (IqV8l)

Bad timing with Cinco de Quattro looming.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at April 25, 2018 03:07 PM (Dp6qK)

163 - The left creates truth as a social construct. -

Posted by: gNewt at April 25, 2018 03:08 PM (Zc7fg)

164 The mere fact that 4 justices on SCOTUS, and countless COA judges would find that POTUS does not have this power means that the rule of actual law is completely gone. We may win this one, we will lose the next dozen.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at April 25, 2018 03:09 PM (wGbBR)

165 Oh look another vaguely disguised death threat against Trump from a Democrat.This time Al Gore...

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/295109/

Posted by: steevy at April 25, 2018 02:46 PM (LiyEm)
.............

Al Gore wants himself some of that hot Shep stuff.

Posted by: wth at April 25, 2018 03:09 PM (HgMAr)

166 127 Dot, dot, dot...dash,dash,dash

Repeat
Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 25, 2018 02:52 PM (feFsi)

So?
Posted by: DR.WTF? at April 25, 2018 02:58 PM (T71PA)

...dot,dot,dot.

I was interrupted by a Panic Picnic.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 25, 2018 03:10 PM (feFsi)

167 163 - The left creates truth as a social construct. -

Posted by: gNewt at April 25, 2018 03:08 PM (Zc7fg)

Ain't that the truth.

There was an article some time ago, in re the tranny wars, that tranny acceptance was not about acceptance and liberty but about control. When you can be made to nod idiotically that, yes, that man is a woman, you can be made to acquiesce to anything.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at April 25, 2018 03:10 PM (Dp6qK)

168 164 The mere fact that 4 justices on SCOTUS, and countless COA judges would find that POTUS does not have this power means that the rule of actual law is completely gone. We may win this one, we will lose the next dozen.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at April 25, 2018 03:09 PM (wGbBR)

=============

President-elect Kamala Harris, when discussing her choice for the next SCOTUS justice.

"Holy shit, do I hate white people. But yeah, other than that, my pick will preferably have a history of pro-Marxist postings on Facebook and at least three pictures of them wiping their asses with recreations of the Constitution. Also they'll be, like, flaming gay."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 25, 2018 03:11 PM (aFMSC)

169 @10

Congress has literally passed a law that gives the President this exact authority he is exercising.

This is one of the greatest problems with the run away judiciary and why Gorsuch idiotic vagueness ruling is so enfuriating.

Here the President is acting well within his authority given to him by legislation of the congress....

"Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate."

Pretty clear, no?

And yet these fucking assholes basically are completely disregarding the actual fucking law and are arguing about other extraneous shit to reason to result.

It's fucking bullshit.

Posted by: Kreplach at April 25, 2018 03:11 PM (UfMVm)

170 Al not liking his global warming crap being tossed away?

Posted by: Skip at April 25, 2018 03:11 PM (aC6Sd)

171 "Suppose aliens wanted to eat these latino children? Would the court be right to review the ban on their entry into this country?"

Posted by: DurnedYankee at April 25, 2018 03:11 PM (37IEG)

172 144 >136
How about we just close the borders and have a lot of kids?

Posted by: TexasDan at April 25, 2018 03:01 PM (yL25O)

Well this is awfully sudden TexasDan. I don't know what to say right now.
Posted by: Muad'dib at April 25, 2018 03:02 PM (sjdRT)

Uh, should we leave the room? Maybe we'll just leave the room.

Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at April 25, 2018 03:11 PM (RD7QR)

173 >>did we get an Ace allergy update?

Turns out Ace was Allergic to his Mohair Jerksock.

Posted by: garrett at April 25, 2018 03:02 PM (47uml)
............

I was betting on dusty shelves.

Posted by: wth at April 25, 2018 03:11 PM (HgMAr)

174 My set answer for insurance brokers that asked whether a policy would cover a general scenario was that I could not deal in hypotheticals as coverage determination is determined on a case by case basis.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 25, 2018 03:12 PM (t8kZU)

175 The president has the authority to -- in a WWII level event where Jews are being exterminated -- open up immigration from those countries. It's in his job description, Justice Kagan.

It is an empowerment, but not a requirement.

St. Louis?

Posted by: Franklin Delano Roosevelt at April 25, 2018 03:12 PM (fuK7c)

176 this is bullshit tho, eh?

non-americans have a vested right to come here?

Sorryaboutit, but Customs is designed to keep people out. Every nation has a unique identity and religion. Especially considering that Izzzlam is more of a theorcratic cult than a religion.

Again, another common sense idea, which has broad support...is considered bizarre, unconstitutional, and controversial by the weirdos in the left. and therefore int he media.

Posted by: Kuhyt at April 25, 2018 03:12 PM (Kuhyt)

177 I don't know if I can bring myself to read Gore's quote. Did he issue it from his private plane that runs on tator tots, or from his house which was built by beavers.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 25, 2018 03:12 PM (feFsi)

178 What does a Big Kahuna Hawaiian Judge wear?

Coconut Bra

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at April 25, 2018 03:12 PM (3dsTO)

179 What Kreplach wrote at #119.

Kagan's hypothetical is irrelevant, outside her competence or authority. Solicitor General should have responded to this, and all similar irrelevant crap, with

"This is not an inter-agency meeting, this is not a legislative mark-up. This court - any court - has a very narrow and well-defined role, and authority. Policy questions and hypotheticals are outside the constitutional role or competence of this court.

Those with a burning interest in such matters who find themselves on the bench can always resign and run for elective, accountable office - where policy power lies - exclusively - under our system.

The president and his appointees take an oath to the constitution. The judicial branch has largely hollowed out the constitution and rule of law, but might want to consider that other constitutional actors, at some point, will cease to cooperate in this infamous dereliction.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 25, 2018 03:13 PM (QDnY+)

180 The decision is expected in June.
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The annual adjustment to What the Constitution means.

Posted by: Axeman at April 25, 2018 03:13 PM (vDqXW)

181 How does Trump's reasonable and legal travel ban get reviewed, microscoped, man-handled and finger-fucked by the SCROTUS but Maine's Democrats voting "MOAR FEMALE GENITAL MUTILATION" does not?

Oh yeah.

"Federalism"

Posted by: Tanner Boyle at April 25, 2018 03:13 PM (2wOtx)

182 A ban on German migration from a openly naziphobic president?

so?

that's what his power's there for.

Posted by: Kuhyt at April 25, 2018 03:13 PM (Kuhyt)

183 This is all just "polishing brass on the Titanic." Don't get too worked up about it. Save your energy and focus your minds on the fight to come.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 25, 2018 03:14 PM (AzW6q)

184 And there's always Kennedy's idiotic, arrogant, bigoted rant in his marriage redefinition legislation."

Oh I agree with you that Kennedy's one of the worst - he clearly sees himself as just another political power player, and when he want's to make something happen he'll make up any convenient bullshit to clothe his policy choices in legalese. Souter was even worse, I am so glad that he is off the court.

You could say that all of these lower courts have been taking their lead from Kennedy's antics - although of course it goes back at least to the Warren Court, and probably back to the Switch in time that saved nine.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 25, 2018 03:14 PM (k1TUh)

185 I do wish Kagan and Sotomayor had become Sumo wrestlers instead of jurists. It would have played better to their talents. They could just recuse themselves from all future decisions and wrestle each other while the remaining 7 deliberated.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 25, 2018 03:14 PM (/qEW2)

186 Supreme Court Justice Loretta Lynch
Supreme Court Justice Eric Holder

Just think of the bullets we dodged.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at April 25, 2018 02:56 PM (3dsTO)
***********

For Now.

This is why you always vote for the most conservative candidate even if it's... John freakin' McCain.
Dems. given another opportunity of appointing a Supreme Court Justice would be a nightmare.

Posted by: redridinghood at April 25, 2018 03:14 PM (PvFoN)

187 171 "Suppose aliens wanted to eat these latino children?

Sigh. So tired of getting lumped in with those damned Reptilians. We only probe. WE ONLY PROBE!

Posted by: The Greys at April 25, 2018 03:14 PM (3dsTO)

188 187 171 "Suppose aliens wanted to eat these latino children?

Sigh. So tired of getting lumped in with those damned Reptilians. We only probe. WE ONLY PROBE!

Posted by: The Greys at April 25, 2018 03:14 PM (3dsTO)

=============

"Speak for yourself."
-Xenomorph Queen

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 25, 2018 03:14 PM (aFMSC)

189 Nobody accuses the right of being too emotional. And the left rejects "truth" as a social construct. But other than that: dead on!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 25, 2018 03:05 PM (39g3+)

I don't trust Democrats for obvious reasons.

I don't trust Republicans because of people like you.

I stock up on shit because of the both of you.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 25, 2018 03:15 PM (nhgiS)

190 But what if there's a really sweet n@zi who needs to come to america to pursue his lifelong dream of helping the middle class overcome their jewish oppressors?

Why would an openly anti-teutonic and nazophbic president be allowed to deny him that?

Posted by: Kuhyt at April 25, 2018 03:15 PM (Kuhyt)

191 A national memorial for victims of lynching opens Thursday in Montgomery, Alabama. The Equal Justice Initiative, the group behind the memorial, has identified 4,400 victims of lynching between 1877 and 1950 and engraved their names on blocks of rusted steel that hang from the ceiling of a large pavilion.
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That's like one year of Black on Black murders in the U.S.

Posted by: Dick's Sporting Goods at April 25, 2018 03:15 PM (WrMOC)

192 The biggest issue for me here is not even a legal one. This is the consequence of having huge masses of un-assimilated immigrants into the country for half a century.

They want their brethren outside the USA to have the same right those inside the USA receive, and they are very near the votes to achieve this. It is truly sickening.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at April 25, 2018 03:15 PM (wGbBR)

193 IM GRAPE SCOTUS!!

Posted by: Mirror Universe Mad Maxine at April 25, 2018 03:15 PM (FLifI)

194 So, they have plenty of time to get to John Iscariot Roberts again, then?

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at April 25, 2018 03:15 PM (3dsTO)

195 It begs the question - if the President doesn't have the authority to make these decisions about incoming visitors & immigrants, then who does?

Posted by: josephistan at April 25, 2018 02:41 PM (7HtZB)
the crux of the conversation right there. the problem is that for the left, THEY get to determine who, and you don't because shut up racist.

Posted by: Todler at April 25, 2018 03:16 PM (8D42x)

196 They should be worried about what it would mean to let millions of openly anti-Semitic immigrants into the country rather than hypothetical situations meant to smear the president.

Posted by: deeb at April 25, 2018 03:16 PM (RDwMg)

197 1. Shut the door.
2. Lock the door.
3. Begin deportations.

Posted by: gNewt at April 25, 2018 03:16 PM (Zc7fg)

198 in other words, simply becasue the left makes the word islamaphobic sound bad doesn't mean it shouldn't be the policy of the entire world.

after all, the actual islamists have actually epistemologicalized their anti-everyone else attitudes.

Posted by: Kuhyt at April 25, 2018 03:16 PM (Kuhyt)

199 I have a question. If this country elected a president that was so antisemetic as to propose a travel ban from israel.... why would jews even want to come to america?

This seems to me like a solution in search of a problem.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at April 25, 2018 03:16 PM (KUaJL)

200 What really bothers me about the SC is that they are living and working in the same swamp that a good majority of the populace despises. They are the ultimate political animals.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 25, 2018 03:16 PM (MIKMs)

201 Ex-cop arrested in two Golden State Killer cases.

https://bit.ly/2qXN9T9

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 25, 2018 03:17 PM (+y/Ru)

202 There's a hidden but important issue about when courts can intervene on immigration issues. Non-citizens don't have a right to come here. Congress has plenary authority under the Constitution and has delegated that authority to the President. If Congress doesn't like the way the President acts it can step in. I don't see a role for the courts here.

Else we'll have a system where a President Obama or Hillary can do Shit that a President Trump can't because he has a Black Heart

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 25, 2018 03:17 PM (n+6mJ)

203 That's like one year of Black on Black murders in the U.S.

Jesus, "Dick", does that mean lynchings were a good thing?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 25, 2018 03:17 PM (fuK7c)

204 I have a question. If this country elected a president that was so antisemetic as to propose a travel ban from israel.... why would jews even want to come to america?"

-------which is something a lot of anti-jewish people on the net seem to ponder...isn't Israel super exclusionary in its immigration laws?

Posted by: Kuhyt at April 25, 2018 03:17 PM (Kuhyt)

205 200 What really bothers me about the SC is that they are living and working in the same swamp that a good majority of the populace despises. They are the ultimate political animals.
Posted by: mustbequantum at April 25, 2018 03:16 PM (MIKMs)

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They were once the only federal judges, for a very short time.

They had to do stuff that circuit court judges now do.

Maybe they should do that part of the year.

Force them to live in other parts of the country for 6 months.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 25, 2018 03:17 PM (aFMSC)

206 What's with this fraudulent "right" that people have to immigrate?

We are a sovereign nation with laws and a Constitution. No matter how many pathos arguments people make there is no "right" for anyone who is not a citizen.

None.

People choose to become citizens of the country in which they live. How about they stand up to the forces in their country of birth and make the changes, fight the fight and sacrifice to transform it.

You know, as opposed to coming here and making demands.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 25, 2018 03:18 PM (VpIIl)

207 144 >136
How about we just close the borders and have a lot of kids?

Posted by: TexasDan at April 25, 2018 03:01 PM (yL25O)

Well this is awfully sudden TexasDan. I don't know what to say right now.
Posted by: Muad'dib at April 25, 2018 03:02 PM (sjdRT)

...

well, I meant you guys, amongst yourselves.

Wife and I already have six, so my minivan is full.

Posted by: TexasDan at April 25, 2018 03:18 PM (yL25O)

208 I like how we've reached the point where the liberals are known quantities and we only have to discuss how the conservatives will vote for the lefts issues.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at April 25, 2018 03:18 PM (Uc8aU)

209 Why does the government stop foreign-born animals at the border? Don't disease-ridden animals deserve a chance at quality American vet care?

H8ters.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, I'm your Huckleberry! at April 25, 2018 03:18 PM (rBnYq)

210 4 justices do not like America...2 of them are Zero's. One is near death. All four will rule on what they believe the law should be, not on what it says.

One of ours has a gate that swings both ways.

Another of ours has a chink in his armor.He plainly ruled on what he thought the law should say, not on what it says.

this is a close run thing...we need a cushion.

Posted by: torabora at April 25, 2018 03:18 PM (Y274z)

211 188
187 171 "Suppose aliens wanted to eat these latino children?

Sigh. So tired of getting lumped in with those damned Reptilians. We only probe. WE ONLY PROBE!

Posted by: The Greys at April 25, 2018 03:14 PM (3dsTO)

=============

"Speak for yourself."

-Xenomorph Queen

Providing the meals Americans won't provide.

Posted by: DurnedYankee at April 25, 2018 03:18 PM (37IEG)

212 The judicial branch has largely hollowed out the constitution and rule of law, but might want to consider that other constitutional actors, at some point, will cease to cooperate in this infamous dereliction.

The citizens of the United States have a responsibility to do so, even if the other branches will not.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 25, 2018 03:19 PM (39g3+)

213 Joseph James DeAngelo, 72, a former Auburn police officer...

There was a lot of speculation that the Zodiac Killer might have been a cop too.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at April 25, 2018 03:19 PM (3dsTO)

214 Fake news:

WASHPOST, CNBC quote expert who doesn't exist...

https://bit.ly/2qWLD3M

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 25, 2018 03:19 PM (+y/Ru)

215 That federal judge who ruled yesterday that the Trump administration had to re-start the DACA bullshit basically said that Trump had illegally ended DACA program. Apparently the Administrative Procedures Act requires Trump to state a legitimate reason for ending the program, and because he didn't, the judge ruled it "arbitrary and capricious" for Trump to end DACA.

But the judge also stayed his ruling for 90 days, and gave the Trump administration the steps to get around the "arbitrary and capricious" ruling -- which was just to state that DACA was being ended because it was an improper exercise of executive power, and to set forth the reasons why the DACA program was illegal to start with.

If Trump's people are smart, they will lay out the illegalities of the DACA program in excruciating detail, and include direct quotes from that esteemed constitutional law genius, Harvard-trained Barack Hussein Obama, who publicly stated on several occasions that the president clearly lacks the constitutional authority to unilaterally extend amnesty to large classes of illegal aliens, as DACA does.

Then anybody who attacks the decision to end DACA will have to explain to the courts why Obama was wrong on the law. And won't that be fun!

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 25, 2018 03:19 PM (fqUgw)

216 The president has always had a constitutional duty to protect our country from nefarious forces vis a vis our immigration process.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 25, 2018 03:20 PM (VpIIl)

217 What does a Big Kahuna Hawaiian Judge wear?

Coconut Bra

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at April 25, 2018 03:12 PM (3dsTO)
............

On his back, mansierre on the front.

Posted by: wth at April 25, 2018 03:20 PM (HgMAr)

218 Nick in Tallahassee @164, along with Kreplach, are correct.

This is very, very simple (as are most "big" questions of law).

And to the extent this DOJ does not actively savage the lawlessness of the courts, to include the new absurdity of courts assessing "motive" in executive actions (a truly breath-taking new low, which nobody 20 years ago would ever believe would happen), they are contributing to the problem. Bigly.

That's why I used to joke/not joke that Trump is seriously close to violating his oath of office in complying with the courts on the admissions EO. Well actually he *is* in violation of his oath, he's clearly not defending the constitution.

Also, as I used to post regularly, and regardless of the outcome on this case (as Nick points out, 5-4 "victory" on such a simple, and outrageous, case of judicial lawlessness is disaster, not victory) ......

Status of judicial coup:

[X] Intact
[ ] Other than intact

Posted by: rhomboid at April 25, 2018 03:21 PM (QDnY+)

219 @202

We already have that system.

Obama illeagally and unconstitutionally enacted DACA

Trump wants to end DACA because it's illegal and unconsitutional

Judges have told him he cannot end DACA and in fact must take on new DACA applicants because Trump citing that he is ending DACA due to it's illegality and unconstitutionality is insufficinent because in the judges eyes it's arbitrary and capricious.

We are not voting our way out of our predicament.

Posted by: Kreplach at April 25, 2018 03:21 PM (UfMVm)

220 well, I meant you guys, amongst yourselves.

Well I'm willing to give this a try

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 25, 2018 03:21 PM (39g3+)

221 The Supreme Court who decided that two dudes butt-fcuking is 'marriage'?

And government-mandated purchases under penalty of law are a "tax" but the President banning dangerous people from entering the country is somehow illegal or rayciss or blahdeedoo dah?

Fcuk these stupid ancient, black-robed aristocrats.

Posted by: Tanner Boyle at April 25, 2018 03:22 PM (2wOtx)

222 If Trump's people are smart, they will lay out the illegalities of the DACA program in excruciating detail, and include direct quotes from that esteemed constitutional law genius, Harvard-trained Barack Hussein Obama, who publicly stated on several occasions that the president clearly lacks the constitutional authority to unilaterally extend amnesty to large classes of illegal aliens, as DACA does.

That's not who we are.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 25, 2018 03:22 PM (2ifxQ)

223 President-elect Kamala Harris, when discussing her choice for the next SCOTUS justice.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 25, 2018 03:11 PM (aFMSC)
**********

That sentence should strike fear in every Hordes
heart.

Posted by: redridinghood at April 25, 2018 03:22 PM (PvFoN)

224 216 The president has always had a constitutional duty to protect our country from nefarious forces vis a vis our immigration process.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 25, 2018 03:20 PM (VpIIl)

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One piece of history that has always interested me and is partially misinterpreted by most people is the reaction to the Alien and Sedition Acts.

They were two separate acts signed by John Adams, but they were also combined in the mind of the people. No one really cared about the Alien part which gave Adams authority to expel everyone in the country of French birth. The people rejected it because it was tied to the Sedition Act which pretty much made it illegal to criticize Adams.

"Get rid of the French? Fine, but as long as I get to keep calling Adams His Rotundity."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 25, 2018 03:22 PM (aFMSC)

225 WASHPOST, CNBC quote expert who doesn't exist.

Well, why not? They keep quoting sources that don't exist.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 25, 2018 03:22 PM (39g3+)

226 Sorry I missed the Bird and Boobs thread. Musta been fun.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at April 25, 2018 03:23 PM (o7tuA)

227 I guess they kissed and made up.

Ted Cruz Endorses Trump 2020...

I actually admire Cruz for being the better man.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 25, 2018 03:23 PM (+y/Ru)

228 if trump's people were smart they'd be setting up a list of #resist judges and dq them from these cases.

Posted by: Kuhyt at April 25, 2018 03:23 PM (Kuhyt)

229 Trump needs to issue an Executive Order that everyone can stop over Barack Obama's house between 11:00 and 14:00 and have free lunch, Monday thru Friday, and Brunch on Sunday, starting at 11:00 featuring free Mimosas.

Posted by: DurnedYankee at April 25, 2018 03:23 PM (37IEG)

230 Wasn't it Jefferson who called Adams a hideous hermaphroditic creature?

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at April 25, 2018 03:23 PM (3dsTO)

231 WASHPOST, CNBC quote expert who doesn't exist...

All manipulation, all the time.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 25, 2018 03:24 PM (oVJmc)

232 230 Wasn't it Jefferson who called Adams a hideous hermaphroditic creature?

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at April 25, 2018 03:23 PM (3dsTO)

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His people did.

They weren't on the best of terms during the 1800 election, but it got better later.

Much later.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 25, 2018 03:24 PM (aFMSC)

233 People choose to become citizens of the country in which they live. How
about they stand up to the forces in their country of birth and make the
changes, fight the fight and sacrifice to transform it.
=====

That is why I want an end to dual citizenship. If countries are in conflict, what side are you on? See this a lot with Mexican citizenship (they are the closest), like Jorge Ramos. Seeing it in Germany with dual Turkish/German citizenship.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 25, 2018 03:24 PM (MIKMs)

234 WASHPOST, CNBC quote expert who doesn't exist.

Guess I better 'fess up:

I am Drew Cloud.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at April 25, 2018 03:25 PM (3dsTO)

235 A national memorial for victims of lynching opens Thursday in Montgomery, Alabama. The Equal Justice Initiative, the group behind the memorial, has identified 4,400 victims of lynching between 1877 and 1950 and engraved their names on blocks of rusted steel that hang from the ceiling of a large pavilion.

-------------------------------

We are no longer doing any business with the National Rope Association.

Posted by: Yeti at April 25, 2018 03:25 PM (WrMOC)

236 As a lawyer *ducks head to avoid flying ashtrays and rotting vegetables *
I've kept this whole issue at arm's length, because it would be just too depressing to get into the weeds.

But the most basic problem with the Hawaiian Nullification doctrine (seemingly adopted by at least a minority of SCOTUS) is a Court permitting itself to read nefarious "intent" into actions of the Executive, in a way that puts the entire life story of the Executive into that "analysis."

The only time Courts are supposed to get into "Legislative history" is when the law is unclear, not to psychoanalyze the lawmaker (or in this case, valid rule maker)
The whole exercise entirely guts the concept of law in favor of some kind of super-amorphous and infinitely malleable "motive" seeking.

This approach is not just wrong, its entirely extra-legal.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at April 25, 2018 03:25 PM (FLifI)

237 well, I meant you guys, amongst yourselves.

Well I'm willing to give this a try

Kudos to you.

I raised two. God, in xer infinite wisdom, knew that that was all I could take.

If I had had three or four or nine of them the latter ones would have been lurking about outside to see if I'd filled up the milk dish.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 25, 2018 03:25 PM (fuK7c)

238 226 Sorry I missed the Bird and Boobs thread. Musta been fun.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at April 25, 2018 03:23 PM (o7tuA)

...

We've moved on to actual procreation in this thread so you're in luck.

Posted by: TexasDan at April 25, 2018 03:25 PM (yL25O)

239 Ted Cruz Endorses Trump 2020...

I actually admire Cruz for being the better man.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangle

He knows he can't beat Trump at the ballot box in '20, so how's about a SC nom, Donald?

Posted by: pep at April 25, 2018 03:25 PM (wW03z)

240 Core values are not currently dictated by Washington.... but I think they are on some Wish Lists...

Posted by: kraken at April 25, 2018 03:25 PM (zSVEm)

241 190 But what if there's a really sweet n@zi who needs to come to america to pursue his lifelong dream of helping the middle class overcome their jewish oppressors?

Why would an openly anti-teutonic and nazophbic president be allowed to deny him that?
Posted by: Kuhyt at April 25, 2018 03:15 PM (Kuhyt)

Ja! Vhat he said!

Posted by: Martin Heidegger at April 25, 2018 03:25 PM (RD7QR)

242
I actually admire Cruz for being the better man.

Now? I'll never forget the convention.

Posted by: dagny at April 25, 2018 03:26 PM (ahV/f)

243 Sorry I missed the Bird and Boobs thread. Musta been fun.

I dunno she seems kind of... uh, not of age.

I actually admire Cruz for being the better man.

I think he's always been the better man, just not the better guy for the job.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 25, 2018 03:26 PM (39g3+)

244 I still think Cruz and PDT have an agreement to get Cruz on the SCOTUS.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at April 25, 2018 03:26 PM (3dsTO)

245 if the President doesn't have the authority to make these decisions about incoming visitors & immigrants, then who does?

Posted by: josephistan at April 25, 2018 02:41 PM (7HtZB)
---
You are mistaken. Libs don't want governments of offices and powers, and the delimitation of Law--they want governments of *Men*.

They want Obama to decide everything regarding immigration and Trump to decide nothing. They don't care what discretion the "President" has, they want their guys to have discretion, and when the government has to sustain itself in times of the occupation of the other faction, they want that same office as constricted as possible. And they'll talk up "checks and balances".

Posted by: Axeman at April 25, 2018 03:26 PM (vDqXW)

246 226 Sorry I missed the Bird and Boobs thread. Musta been fun.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at April 25, 2018 03:23 PM (o7tuA)

I am sure it was titillating.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at April 25, 2018 03:26 PM (Dp6qK)

247 236 As a lawyer *ducks head to avoid flying ashtrays and rotting vegetables *
I've kept this whole issue at arm's length, because it would be just too depressing to get into the weeds.

But the most basic problem with the Hawaiian Nullification doctrine (seemingly adopted by at least a minority of SCOTUS) is a Court permitting itself to read nefarious "intent" into actions of the Executive, in a way that puts the entire life story of the Executive into that "analysis."

The only time Courts are supposed to get into "Legislative history" is when the law is unclear, not to psychoanalyze the lawmaker (or in this case, valid rule maker)
The whole exercise entirely guts the concept of law in favor of some kind of super-amorphous and infinitely malleable "motive" seeking.

This approach is not just wrong, its entirely extra-legal.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at April 25, 2018 03:25 PM (FLifI)

==============

I can't wait for a conservative justice to do this exact same thing.

If I were a district judge, I probably would be looking for ways to do it.

"I find this order on energy signed by Obama to be null and void because of what he said about bankrupting coal during his 2008 campaign."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 25, 2018 03:26 PM (aFMSC)

248 Haole Court is unconstitutional.

I.AM.THE.LAW

Posted by: Judge Coconut at April 25, 2018 03:27 PM (xBSm0)

249 Kudos to you.

I raised two. God, in xer infinite wisdom, knew that that was all I could take.

If I had had three or four or nine of them the latter ones would have been lurking about outside to see if I'd filled up the milk dish.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 25, 2018 03:25 PM (fuK7c)

...

It's not a contest.

And my older ones are now very free with their Airing of Grievances, even the 21 year old who stubbornly refuses to launch.

Life is good, and interesting, but still good.

Posted by: TexasDan at April 25, 2018 03:27 PM (yL25O)

250 The four leftists on the Supreme Court aren't really judges at all. They are rubber stamps for whatever unConstitutional policy the left dreams up on a day by day basis. Trump needs to replace any and all them he can with people who actually care about the Constitution.

Posted by: Boris Gudonov at April 25, 2018 03:27 PM (/5YI5)

251 @236

But even if you read nefarious intent into it...

...THE LAW IS LITERALLY BLACK AND WHITE, CRYSTAL CLEAR IN THIS INSTANCE.

What is going on is beyond enfuriating.

Posted by: Kreplach at April 25, 2018 03:27 PM (UfMVm)

252 Guess I better 'fess up:

I am Drew Cloud.

But then, aren't we all?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 25, 2018 03:27 PM (39g3+)

253 The whole exercise entirely guts the concept of law in favor of some kind of super-amorphous and infinitely malleable "motive" seeking.

Sounds a lot like the ADA. Law by Hallmark card.

Posted by: pep at April 25, 2018 03:27 PM (wW03z)

254 I guess the Age of Reason was a passing thing for the Left...

Posted by: kraken at April 25, 2018 03:27 PM (zSVEm)

255 NFL Draft starts tomorrow. Any guesses on whether Giants go for Barkley or Mayfield?

Posted by: Gumby at April 25, 2018 03:28 PM (2LelM)

256 Wife and I already have six, so my minivan is full."

First wife is past the age of children, but also is surprisingly disapproving of the idea of a Second Wife to take on the burden. Me, I could probably force myself to live with the arrangement, but I hate to upset her.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 25, 2018 03:28 PM (k1TUh)

257 Ted Cruz Endorses Trump 2020...

I actually admire Cruz for being the better man.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks,
*********************

November, 2018 keeps getting closer and closer.

Posted by: gNewt at April 25, 2018 03:28 PM (Zc7fg)

258 "Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 25, 2018 03:22 PM (aFMSC)
"

Yeah, clearly Adams overstepped on the Sedition Act, which incidentally was set to expire on his last day in office.

And the big difference between the Alien and Sedition Acts and some of what is happening with DACA is the former actually passed Congress.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 25, 2018 03:28 PM (VpIIl)

259 As I have noted before, if I am to be ruled buy one unelected old man, I prefer it be a Caesar rather than Anthony Kennedy.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 25, 2018 03:28 PM (QQ+il)

260 254 I guess the Age of Reason was a passing thing for the Left...
Posted by: kraken at April 25, 2018 03:27 PM (zSVEm)

=============

"When we invoked Reason, we were really talking about unfettered power for us. You know, the kind of power that Louis XVI had, but in my hands."
-Robespierre

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 25, 2018 03:29 PM (9ZlHt)

261 Now? I'll never forget the convention.
=====

Cruz was 2nd vote-getter and appeared and thanked his supporters. Where was Jeb or Rubio?

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 25, 2018 03:29 PM (MIKMs)

262 "I find this order on energy signed by Obama to be null and void because of what he said about bankrupting coal during his 2008 campaign."

Also, how can Hillary be President, if she's incapable of fairly representing the deplorable half of the electorate?

Posted by: pep at April 25, 2018 03:29 PM (wW03z)

263 255 NFL Draft starts tomorrow. Any guesses on whether Giants go for Barkley or Mayfield?
Posted by: Gumby at April 25, 2018 03:28 PM (2LelM)

Charles Barkley is too old, and Curtis Mayfield is too dead.

Posted by: josephistan at April 25, 2018 03:29 PM (7HtZB)

264 I guess the Age of Reason was a passing thing for the Left...
Posted by: kraken at April 25, 2018 03:27 PM (zSVEm)

I've seen no evidence that they ever embraced or understood it. The closest they came was that feeble attempt in France. They screwed it up, and then Marx came along and permanently diverted the Left from Reason.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 25, 2018 03:29 PM (AzW6q)

265 I can't wait for a conservative justice to do this exact same thing.

If I were a district judge, I probably would be looking for ways to do it.

Yeah, look if the left wants to keep pulling this crap, then they need to either have it rammed down their throats until they choke on it, or be so stripped of power they cannot do it any longer until they learn their lesson.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 25, 2018 03:30 PM (39g3+)

266 256 Wife and I already have six, so my minivan is full."

First wife is past the age of children, but also is surprisingly disapproving of the idea of a Second Wife to take on the burden. Me, I could probably force myself to live with the arrangement, but I hate to upset her.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 25, 2018 03:28 PM (k1TUh)

You're either amazingly optimistic or terribly pessimistic if you're referring to your "first wife" while still married to her. Either way, Moron card = intact.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at April 25, 2018 03:30 PM (KUaJL)

267 256 Wife and I already have six, so my minivan is full."

First wife is past the age of children, but also is surprisingly disapproving of the idea of a Second Wife to take on the burden. Me, I could probably force myself to live with the arrangement, but I hate to upset her.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 25, 2018 03:28 PM (k1TUh)

Be patient. There's a penumbra or an emanation out there just waiting to grant you wives 2 through 5.

Posted by: Sonya "the Rotund" Sotomayor at April 25, 2018 03:30 PM (RD7QR)

268 I think I'm going to need proof that Sotomayor was born here.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 25, 2018 03:30 PM (4ErVI)

269
But the most basic problem with the Hawaiian Nullification doctrine
(seemingly adopted by at least a minority of SCOTUS) is a Court
permitting itself to read nefarious "intent" into actions of the
Executive, in a way that puts the entire life story of the Executive
into that "analysis."

It's a 'Depraved Heart' standard: 'You have the power to do this, but, because we determined you had bad thoughts, OVERTURNED.'

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 25, 2018 03:30 PM (oVJmc)

270 261 Now? I'll never forget the convention.
=====

Cruz was 2nd vote-getter and appeared and thanked his supporters. Where was Jeb or Rubio?

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 25, 2018 03:29 PM (MIKMs)

I'll never forget his playing politics and blaming Trump supporters for exercising their first amendment right of free association in the face of hired hillary goons that shut down the Chicago rally.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at April 25, 2018 03:31 PM (Dp6qK)

271 I still think Cruz and PDT have an agreement to get Cruz on the SCOTUS.

...

After what Pompeo went through in confirmation?

Hope Cruz never faked his mom's signature on a school absence note.

Posted by: Tanner Boyle at April 25, 2018 03:31 PM (2wOtx)

272 265 I can't wait for a conservative justice to do this exact same thing.

If I were a district judge, I probably would be looking for ways to do it.

Yeah, look if the left wants to keep pulling this crap, then they need to either have it rammed down their throats until they choke on it, or be so stripped of power they cannot do it any longer until they learn their lesson.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 25, 2018 03:30 PM (39g3+)

===============

Best way to repeal a bad law is to enforce it with vigor.

Lincoln? Paraphrased?

Certainly didn't come from my brain.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 25, 2018 03:31 PM (9ZlHt)

273 But the judge also stayed his ruling for 90 days, and gave the Trump administration the steps to get around the "arbitrary and capricious" ruling -- which was just to state that DACA was being ended because it was an improper exercise of executive power, and to set forth the reasons why the DACA program was illegal to start with.

If Trump's people are smart, they will lay out the illegalities of the DACA program in excruciating detail, and include direct quotes from that esteemed constitutional law genius, Harvard-trained Barack Hussein Obama, who publicly stated on several occasions that the president clearly lacks the constitutional authority to unilaterally extend amnesty to large classes of illegal aliens, as DACA does.

Then anybody who attacks the decision to end DACA will have to explain to the courts why Obama was wrong on the law. And won't that be fun!
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 25, 2018 03:19 PM (fqUgw)

I didn't know about the stay- that is very good news, despite the hair on fire reaction yesterday.

Posted by: SomeHawaiianjudge at April 25, 2018 03:31 PM (Z48ZB)

274

I actually admire Cruz for being the better man.

Now? I'll never forget the convention.

I'll always keep a wary eye on Cruz, even though he was my first choice as preezy for him blaming Trump for the attacks at his (Trump's) rallies several weeks after it was revealed that Mr. Jan Schakowsky (former inmate Robert Creamer) was organizing and paying Panti-fags to disrupt them.

That was a BS move on Cruz's part.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at April 25, 2018 03:31 PM (GdWl+)

275 271 I still think Cruz and PDT have an agreement to get Cruz on the SCOTUS.

...

After what Pompeo went through in confirmation?

Hope Cruz never faked his mom's signature on a school absence note.

Posted by: Tanner Boyle at April 25, 2018 03:31 PM (2wOtx)

=============

A Democratic Senator will probably seriously ask him where he was during the Zodiac killings.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 25, 2018 03:31 PM (9ZlHt)

276 Is Sotomayor wearing a robe with a Hillary Sleeve? It's all the rage, I hear.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 25, 2018 03:32 PM (leCj4)

277 As I have noted before, if I am to be ruled buy one unelected old man, I prefer it be a Caesar rather than Anthony Kennedy.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 25, 2018 03:28 PM

This.

Posted by: Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus (aka Caligula) at April 25, 2018 03:32 PM (ctuyM)

278 One of these liberal devils on the court will retire or be retired by God soon. Which is as they say, too bad.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 25, 2018 03:32 PM (VpIIl)

279 The best part about having lots of kids is that you'll need plenty of practice to get it right, and since you never know if it worked, you have to keep at it until all evidence proves you succeeded. Then, just to be on the safe side, keep it up.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 25, 2018 03:32 PM (39g3+)

280 Well as promised, I did call YETI to tell them thank you. Their anti NRA/2A stance stopped Mrs. Jukin from buying one of their 45 hardside coolers at our local ACE hardware (Ace was told on Sunday).

Told the lady thanks for saving me $150 because I got an RTIC for half the price. She was pretty testy and said it is all a lie by the NRA. I told her that I got an equivalent cooler for half price that I would not have looked into except for their DICKS UP with the NRA.

I think YETI has been getting lots of calls about this. Fuck em!!

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at April 25, 2018 03:33 PM (pw+jk)

281

Best way to repeal a bad law is to enforce it with vigor.

Has a bad law been repealed lately? Seems I recall a gaggle of congresscretins saying they were going to repeal some law recently, but they never did do it.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at April 25, 2018 03:33 PM (GdWl+)

282 I think I'm going to need proof that Sotomayor was born here.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 25, 2018 03:30 PM (4ErVI)
............

and that she's not still all doped up on opioids from her shoulder injury.

Posted by: wth at April 25, 2018 03:33 PM (HgMAr)

283 My understanding of the question at SCOTUS oral argumenst today, from Legal Insurrection (which has been pretty spot on on these things) is that only (Notorious RBG) Ginsburg and Sotomayor (the retarded Latina) are firmly in the challengers' side. Of the rest there is a least a 5 judge majority - perhaps up to seven - to letting the order remain. of that group 5 sound as if they are going to vote for the order remain as written. as in a "We have no right to second guess the executive" type of decision. The other two "let the order stand" votes may seek some sort of provisos ( not enough opt out/ hardship case protections that sort of thing ) - but otherwise it stands.

Any news story which talks about a"deeply divided court" seems to be full of sh*t (CNN I am looking at you!) or is liberal wishcasting (MSNBC I am looking at you!).

H/T Legal Insurrection

Posted by: Publius Redux at April 25, 2018 03:33 PM (Fb9aZ)

284 That's like one year of Black on Black murders in the U.S.

Jesus, "Dick", does that mean lynchings were a good thing?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 25, 2018 03:17 PM (fuK7c)

I agree with you that it's something that should not be dismissed with snark and a dark part of our history. Unfortunately though this will never be looked at in context with how many non blacks were lynched in the same time period.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 25, 2018 03:33 PM (t8kZU)

285

EM PHYSALIS FOADDY-FI!!!

Posted by: Maxine Waters' Hair at April 25, 2018 03:34 PM (mPeei)

286 Where was Jeb or Rubio?

Embarrassed and hiding. He's better than they, but still acted like an ass.

Posted by: dagny at April 25, 2018 03:34 PM (ahV/f)

287 "255 NFL Draft starts tomorrow. Any guesses on whether Giants go for Barkley or Mayfield?
Posted by: Gumby"

They better draft that QB from Louisville or ESPN and Mike Florio will say their racist. Already laying the groundwork.

Posted by: Benji Carver at April 25, 2018 03:34 PM (OD2ni)

288 Best way to repeal a bad law is to enforce it with vigor.

Has a bad law been repealed lately? Seems I recall a gaggle of congresscretins saying they were going to repeal some law recently, but they never did do it.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy

It's never been enforced on Congress with vigor.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 25, 2018 03:34 PM (2ifxQ)

289 This shouldn't have even gotten to he Supreme Court.

If some sort of National Divorce happens, the judicial branch needs a permanent fix beyond just hoping sane judges make up a majority.

We're one SC judge away from a 5 person dictatorship that wouldn't give two shits about the law or the Constitution.

Posted by: Maritime at April 25, 2018 03:34 PM (lKmt3)

290 ...Curtis Mayfield is too dead.

Posted by: josephistan at April 25, 2018 03:29 PM (7HtZB)
-------------------------

Fred is dead? That' what I said!

Posted by: Boots at April 25, 2018 03:34 PM (EBwPV)

291 A Democratic Senator will probably seriously ask him where he was during the Zodiac killings.

"Cruz signed my yearbook!!!1!1!"
--Strange woman at a press conference with Gloria Allred

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 25, 2018 03:35 PM (39g3+)

292 xnycpeasant, exactly. As many of us have noted every time a new outrage is perpetrated by the lawless courts.

And TheJamesMadison's idea of making them play by the "new rules" is delicious. Though unlikely to happen, obviously, precisely because "conservative"* judges follow the law, and restrict themselves to their very narrow, proper ambit.

But with the open "repeal" by inferior courts of Heller, for example (4th Circuit), we're sort of getting one of those goose/gander moments, in an institutional sense. The lawless authoritarian 4 (and the idiot Kennedy) may revel in the substance of these decisions, but they are unvarnished usurpations of authority directly challenging SCOTUS' supremacy. Thus an institutional jealousy factor must, at some point, become an issue, I would think.

* I find the term "conservative" almost entirely lame and inadequate in general any more, but it's especially misleading in this context - actually following the law and fulfilling your constitutional duty, and not usurping others' powers, is just lawful ethical performance of duty, not deserving of any label like "conservative"

Posted by: rhomboid at April 25, 2018 03:35 PM (QDnY+)

293 122
Kagan's a lightweight.

But she played a heavyweight in "Here Comes the Boom"

Posted by: brak at April 25, 2018 02:57 PM (VckGX)

Nope... that was Bryan Dennehy

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at April 25, 2018 03:35 PM (ymnmz)

294
They better draft that QB from Louisville or ESPN and Mike Florio will say their racist. Already laying the groundwork.
------------------
Interesting QB, but so was RGIII.

Posted by: Gumby at April 25, 2018 03:35 PM (2LelM)

295 First wife is past the age of children, but also is surprisingly
disapproving of the idea of a Second Wife to take on the burden. Me, I
could probably force myself to live with the arrangement, but I hate to
upset her.

Be patient. There's a penumbra or an emanation out there just waiting to grant you wives 2 through 5.

Just have them circumsized as Allah has ordained.

Posted by: State Congress of Maine at April 25, 2018 03:36 PM (2wOtx)

296 I would nominate Cruz for SCOTUS and then hang a racist banner on anyone who opposed him. Make the Democrats eat their own dicks.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 25, 2018 03:36 PM (VpIIl)

297 Speaking of getting it right, son #2 who graduates May 5 got hired by an engineering firm this morning, he starts May 14. That's 2 down, one to go.

Posted by: dagny at April 25, 2018 03:36 PM (ahV/f)

298 F the NFL, how bout that?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 25, 2018 03:36 PM (39g3+)

299 I think Cruz would get some senate democrat support just to get him out of that chamber.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at April 25, 2018 03:37 PM (wGbBR)

300
The fact that they are "deeply divided" is deeply disturbing. More evidence the Great Experiment is teetering on the edge.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at April 25, 2018 03:37 PM (iMxDC)

301 not sure breyer or kagan were sold on hawaii's position, either.

RBG and Sotomayor are garbage.

Posted by: jd at April 25, 2018 03:37 PM (tAfRO)

302 Congrats Dagny!

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at April 25, 2018 03:37 PM (wGbBR)

303 Jeb didn't have anybody to thank and Rubio gave his ten supporters tossed salads.

Posted by: gNewt at April 25, 2018 03:37 PM (Zc7fg)

304

It's never been enforced on Congress with vigor.

They conveniently write themselves out of any law. It's in the "...except for Congress..." claws or penum bra or something legal like that there.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at April 25, 2018 03:37 PM (GdWl+)

305 Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at April 25, 2018 03:31 PM (GdWl+)

He didn't just blame Trump but I agree he should have chosen his words better. Heat of the campaign against a guy who suggested his father had something to do with the Kennedy assassination and also attacked his wife.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 25, 2018 03:37 PM (t8kZU)

306 Told the lady thanks for saving me $150 because I got an RTIC for half the price. She was pretty testy and said it is all a lie by the NRA. I told her that I got an equivalent cooler for half price that I would not have looked into except for their DICKS UP with the NRA.

---
From the ONT:

NRA doubles down:

http://bit.ly/2HqI4Ju

Goes to Brietbart.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 25, 2018 03:38 PM (2ifxQ)

307 RBG is already embalmed. So my guess is she will be around for awhile.

What a selfish asshole, BTW. Her and McCain think we need them in place until their last breath.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 25, 2018 03:38 PM (VpIIl)

308 297 Speaking of getting it right, son #2 who graduates May 5 got hired by an engineering firm this morning, he starts May 14. That's 2 down, one to go.
Posted by: dagny at April 25, 2018 03:36 PM (ahV/f)

Congratulations! Keep hustling them out the door!

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at April 25, 2018 03:38 PM (RD7QR)

309 RBG has to be decomposing. The smell must be awful.

Posted by: dagny at April 25, 2018 03:39 PM (ahV/f)

310 I actually admire Cruz for being the better man.

Now? I'll never forget the convention.

I'll always keep a wary eye on Cruz, even though he was my first choice as preezy for him blaming Trump for the attacks at his (Trump's) rallies several weeks after it was revealed that Mr. Jan Schakowsky (former inmate Robert Creamer) was organizing and paying Panti-fags to disrupt them.

That was a BS move on Cruz's part.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at April 25, 2018 03:31 PM (GdWl+)
******************
Trump went low too with Ted's wife and father.
Cruz voted for Trump and campaigned for him in the end. It all worked out. We're all in this fight together.

Posted by: redridinghood at April 25, 2018 03:39 PM (PvFoN)

311 Fred is dead? That' what I said!
Posted by: Boots at April 25, 2018 03:34 PM

Meh. They tanned me hide when I died,
and then they hung it on the shed.

Posted by: Clyde at April 25, 2018 03:39 PM (ctuyM)

312 What a selfish asshole, BTW. Her and McCain think we need them in place until their last breath.

A lot of that going around in Washington DC.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 25, 2018 03:39 PM (39g3+)

313 Cruz is too young to have been the Zodiac.

Another person it was not was Arthur Lee Allen, as shown in the bullshit movie based on lying liar Robert Graysmith's con-job book.

Allen's DNA was thoroughly tested. It wasn't him. Plus Allen liked diddling little boys, hardly the Z's profile. All Allen did was CLAIM to be the Zodiac while imprisoned at Atascadero so the other inmates would think he was a dangerous serial killer and not butt-rape him.

But Greysmith knew all this and lied anyway, and the movie followed suit.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at April 25, 2018 03:39 PM (3dsTO)

314 Why does one need a $150.00 cooler???

Posted by: gNewt at April 25, 2018 03:39 PM (Zc7fg)

315 307 RBG is already embalmed. So my guess is she will be around for awhile.

What a selfish asshole, BTW. Her and McCain think we need them in place until their last breath.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 25, 2018 03:38 PM (VpIIl)

That's what malignant narcissists do.

Posted by: kraken at April 25, 2018 03:40 PM (zSVEm)

316 The MSM underplays expectations so they can be jubilant about "justice" when they win. We shall overcome, etc.

Posted by: AMartel at April 25, 2018 03:40 PM (WWgnZ)

317 The fact that they are "deeply divided" is deeply disturbing.

-
It's the law abiding v. criminally arrogant divide.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 25, 2018 03:40 PM (+y/Ru)

318 Speaking of getting it right, son #2 who graduates May 5 got hired by an
engineering firm this morning, he starts May 14.
Posted by: dagny at April 25, 2018 03:36 PM

Have you bought him a slide rule yet?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 25, 2018 03:41 PM (ctuyM)

319 BackwardsBoy, I think Cruz' performance then (the Chicago rally incident) was far far worse than "BS". Pretty shocking failure of political character.

Anybody with an IQ equal to Obama's would have realized there was zero mileage in trying to slime Trump, by jumping on the repulsive slanderous "divisive" theme used against him by the racist authoritarians.

Anybody with the least amount of decency would have of course never blamed the victims for the actions of the lynch mob.

Cruz may have found his proper max level in public life. He probably won't do any harm where he is, but major league material he is not.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 25, 2018 03:41 PM (QDnY+)

320 Fred is dead? That' what I said!
Posted by: Boots at April 25, 2018 03:34 PM

Meh. They tanned me hide when I died,
and then they hung it on the shed.

Posted by: Clyde at April 25, 2018 03:39 PM (ctuyM)
-----------------------

All together now!
Tie me kangaroo down mate
Tie me kangaroo down...

We sure do know a lot of classic old songs for being only 29. Must be all those oldie stations on Sirius/xm

Posted by: Boots at April 25, 2018 03:41 PM (EBwPV)

321
RBG is already embalmed. So my guess is she will be around for awhile.

Mummies last thousands of years.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 25, 2018 03:41 PM (IqV8l)

322 Also, how can Hillary be President, if she's incapable of fairly representing the deplorable half of the electorate?
Posted by: pep at April 25, 2018 03:29 PM (wW03z)
_________________

Obama spent decades attending an openly racist (against white Americans) and anti-Semitic church.

Anybody recall how many times Obama's obvious racism and biases were brought up when justices were considering his executive orders? Yeah, that's right, zero.

But it's okay to do it to Trump, because . . . . shut up, racist!

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 25, 2018 03:42 PM (fqUgw)

323 A note to lardass Kagan: a bunch more Jewhating Syrian Muslims coming in here, and we Jews would be fleeing this country.

Posted by: TexasJew at April 25, 2018 03:42 PM (uCQCw)

324 "What a selfish asshole, BTW. Her and McCain think we need them in place until their last breath."

Provided that occured on April 25, at 3:38 PM I don't see that restriction as a problem

Posted by: DurnedYankee at April 25, 2018 03:42 PM (37IEG)

325 As far as Ted vs Donald... eh, I was Ted till he couldnot get the job done, then The Donald, all the way... do not care one whit about their personal lives, but only about what they do. in. office.

Posted by: kraken at April 25, 2018 03:42 PM (zSVEm)

326 I don't care if Kanye likes Trump. He is still an a**hole thug rapper. Everybody involved in that "music" can go screw themselves.

Posted by: Ripley at April 25, 2018 03:43 PM (MxEKc)

327 If I had but one more wish for Trump as POTUS, it would be to replace RBG. The tears would be so nourishing.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at April 25, 2018 03:43 PM (wGbBR)

328 RBG actually looks like Norman Bates mom.

Posted by: Gumby at April 25, 2018 03:43 PM (2LelM)

329 oops. sock off.

Posted by: LASue at April 25, 2018 03:43 PM (Z48ZB)

330 Let's bring all of the migrants in and give them government jobs in the justice department. Why dick around with half measures?

Posted by: Fritz at April 25, 2018 03:43 PM (2Mnv1)

331 If there's Hell below... then we're all gonna go!

Posted by: Curtis at April 25, 2018 03:43 PM (AzW6q)

332

Trump went low too with Ted's wife and father.
Cruz voted for Trump and campaigned for him in the end. It all worked out. We're all in this fight together.

Yeah, heat of the battle I get and both hit each other below the belt a lot.

Now I would like to see Cruz on SCOTUS. Talk about making Leftard's heads get all 'splodey, that'd do it.

It would be a wonderful thing to see. He'd eviscerate the Dims in his confirmation hearings.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at April 25, 2018 03:43 PM (GdWl+)

333 328
RBG actually looks like Norman Bates mom.

Before? or after?

Posted by: DurnedYankee at April 25, 2018 03:44 PM (37IEG)

334 So they should be free to vote the way they want since the presidency has changed hands and the phone tappers and email snatchers are playing nice as a result.

Posted by: simplemind at April 25, 2018 03:44 PM (ojq6j)

335 326 I don't care if Kanye likes Trump. He is still an a**hole thug rapper. Everybody involved in that "music" can go screw themselves.
Posted by: Ripley at April 25, 2018 03:43 PM (MxEKc)

I don't think Trump is that great of a Rapper...

Posted by: kraken at April 25, 2018 03:44 PM (zSVEm)

336 331 If there's Hell below... then we're all gonna go!
Posted by: Curtis at April 25, 2018 03:43 PM (AzW6q)

We're already in hell.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 25, 2018 03:44 PM (NWiLs)

337 307 RBG is already embalmed. So my guess is she will be around for awhile.

What a selfish asshole, BTW. Her and McCain think we need them in place until their last breath.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 25, 2018 03:38 PM (VpIIl)
***************
word

Posted by: Zombie FDR at April 25, 2018 03:44 PM (Y274z)

338 333 328
RBG actually looks like Norman Bates mom.

Before? or after?
---------------After being stored in the attic for 10 years.

Posted by: Gumby at April 25, 2018 03:44 PM (2LelM)

339 297 Speaking of getting it right, son #2 who graduates May 5 got hired by an engineering firm this morning, he starts May 14. That's 2 down, one to go.

Posted by: dagny at April 25, 2018 03:36 PM (ahV/f)

Congrats to you and #2.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at April 25, 2018 03:45 PM (Dp6qK)

340 Will Roberts start crying and voting like the pinkos when they dig up his cocker spaniel sex videos again?

"It's a tax!"

Posted by: TexasJew at April 25, 2018 03:45 PM (uCQCw)

341 Cruz is too young to have been the Zodiac.

Another person it was not was Arthur Lee Allen, as shown in the bullshit movie based on lying liar Robert Graysmith's con-job book.

-
There is currently a series on the Paramount Network, It Was Him, that professes that admitted serial killer Edward Dwayne Edwards was the Zodiac. Also he killed Jon Benet Ramsey. And the Black Dahlia. No word on the Kennedys.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 25, 2018 03:45 PM (+y/Ru)

342
Bummer, AP and NPR are usually wrong.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 25, 2018 03:45 PM (r+sAi)

343 314 Why does one need a $150.00 cooler???
________________

Cuz we be idjits!

Posted by: YETI cooler buyers at April 25, 2018 03:45 PM (fqUgw)

344 Have pity on those
Whose chances are thinner
'Cause there's no hiding place
From the kingdom's throne
So people get ready
For the train a-comin'

Posted by: Curtis at April 25, 2018 03:45 PM (AzW6q)

345 If Trump replaces Kennedy with a conservative, Roberts will fill the moderate void. You can already see it coming.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at April 25, 2018 03:46 PM (wGbBR)

346 "Interesting QB, but so was RGIII.
Posted by: Gumby"

IMO, RGIII was much better than Lamar Jackson coming out and was damn good his rookie year. However, he could not adjust his game to be a pocket passer after that knee injury took a couple of steps away.

Posted by: Benji Carver at April 25, 2018 03:46 PM (OD2ni)

347 What is it about the left that embraces these low energy types?

Posted by: torabora at April 25, 2018 03:46 PM (Y274z)

348 Yo serfs, one glorious day I will join SCOTUS!

Posted by: Preezy 44 at April 25, 2018 03:46 PM (JHwDP)

349 Cruz may have found his proper max level in public life. He probably won't do any harm where he is, but major league material he is not.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 25, 2018 03:41 PM (QDnY+)

That you dismiss someone with his intellect, conservative bonafides and presently at least, anti-swamp mentality is why we will never prevail.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 25, 2018 03:46 PM (t8kZU)

350 RBG actually looks like Norman Bates mom.

Posted by: Gumby at April 25, 2018 03:43 PM (2LelM)
-----------------------

After Justice Scalia died, RBG made a big deal out of saying they hadn't really been friends at all, even though that had been the fiction that the unfortunate Justice Scalia had believed.

Why would she do that, either lie to Scalia back in the day or lie once he was dead so that all the right people would know she wasn't 'really' his friend. That showed me what a vile nasty person she really is.

Posted by: Boots at April 25, 2018 03:46 PM (EBwPV)

351 Yeah, heat of the battle I get and both hit each other below the belt a lot.

Yep, I think holding one or the other as awful because of something sleazy said during the campaign is ridiculous. And I am certain that Cruz was tricked at the Mexican rally by Beck. I think he went down in good faith wanting to do something for the kids and got trapped on camera having to help out or look like a jerk.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 25, 2018 03:46 PM (39g3+)

352 When the divorce happens, they get rap "music" please...

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at April 25, 2018 03:46 PM (iMxDC)

353 330 Let's bring all of the migrants in and give them government jobs in the justice department. Why dick around with half measures?
_______________

Been there, done that, dude!

Posted by: Eric Holder & Barry Obama at April 25, 2018 03:46 PM (fqUgw)

354 James DeAngelo nood.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 25, 2018 03:47 PM (/qEW2)

355 here is currently a series on the Paramount Network, It Was Him, that
professes that admitted serial killer Edward Dwayne Edwards was the
Zodiac. Also he killed Jon Benet Ramsey. And the Black Dahlia. No word
on the Kennedys.

What about Scalia?

Posted by: DurnedYankee at April 25, 2018 03:47 PM (37IEG)

356

Anybody with an IQ equal to Obama's...

Oooh, that was a sick burn.

I like it. Well done.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at April 25, 2018 03:47 PM (GdWl+)

357 I could listen to Clarence Thomas reason all day long. The mans arguments are cogent, intelligent, factual and always easily understood- even by a layman.

When you listen to anything RBG, Sotomayor or the other Village Idiots write it's always a healthy dash of pathos, obfuscation and personal politics posing as argument.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 25, 2018 03:47 PM (VpIIl)

358
346 "Interesting QB, but so was RGIII.
Posted by: Gumby"

IMO, RGIII was much better than Lamar Jackson coming out and was damn good his rookie year. However, he could not adjust his game to be a pocket passer after that knee injury took a couple of steps away.
----------------
All true. He never had the vision or accuracy to work from the pocket. His game is read, react, and run. Worked for awhile, then he ran into to a Ravens Linebacker.

Posted by: Gumby at April 25, 2018 03:48 PM (2LelM)

359 327 If I had but one more wish for Trump as POTUS, it would be to replace RBG. The tears would be so nourishing.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at April 25, 2018 03:43 PM (wGbBR)
-

Can you imagine the political fight for that nomination. It would be almost a satisfying as seeing Trump win on election night.

Posted by: WisRich at April 25, 2018 03:48 PM (G0vdT)

360 328 RBG actually looks like Norman Bates mom.
Posted by: Gumby at April 25, 2018 03:43 PM (2LelM)

Norman? You've been consorting with that Constitution slut again, haven't you! Norman!

Posted by: Notorious RBG at April 25, 2018 03:48 PM (RD7QR)

361 338
333 328

RBG actually looks like Norman Bates mom.

Before? or after?

---------------After being stored in the attic for 10 years.

Posted by: Gumby at April 25, 2018 03:44 PM (2LelM)

Basement, actually.

Posted by: Norman at April 25, 2018 03:48 PM (djCea)

362 This approach is not just wrong, its entirely extra-legal.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at April 25, 2018 03:25 PM (FLifI)
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That's pretty much how the decided Obergefell. They decided that if you have one political faction asking for a categorical change in some principle of law according to their perception of their interest, that a political opposition to that cause was "animus" and as such could not be allowed to infringe in the claimed interest of the minority.

It basically did an ignoratio elenchi and said that if the status quo was as bad as the minority interest said it was, then no laws against their cause could stand.

We're ingesting more of a particular moral doctrine in our law every year.

Posted by: Axeman at April 25, 2018 03:48 PM (vDqXW)

363 We're one SC judge away from a 5 person dictatorship that wouldn't give two shits about the law or the Constitution.

We need to put about 300 more jurists on the court. Make them as faceless as members of the House of Representatives.

Also, make sure none of them are Harvard grads, they are too well represented already.

Posted by: bonhomme at April 25, 2018 03:48 PM (iv0p7)

364 There was a pharmacist (chemist in Brit parlance) who deliberately gave prostitutes poison telling them it was abortion pills in Seven Dials during the time Jack the Ripper was active. He was eventually found and arrestd -- the jack killing stopped. When executed, at the gallows he said "I am Jack--" just as they dropped him to his death. The guy had medical training and was in the area at the time. He probably was the real Ripper, but not a very interesting story so it gets ignored.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 25, 2018 03:48 PM (39g3+)

365 Nonsense, Sebastian. Not dismissing him, just lamenting his surprising limitations - given his obvious merits. As I said he won't do any damage where he is.

"We" will fail, if "we" do, mostly because of the institutional rot that has been the subject of many commenters in this thread.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 25, 2018 03:49 PM (QDnY+)

366 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 25, 2018 03:46 PM (39g3+)

Cruz said before he went to the border that it was his intent to show what was occurring because of Obama's policy. Mike Lee was scheduled to go with him but withdrew. And yes Beck screwed him and his plan .

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 25, 2018 03:49 PM (t8kZU)

367 >>>What a selfish asshole, BTW. Her and McCain think we need them in place until their last breath.<<<

I think they should be preserved and displayed in mausoleums like Lenin in Red Square.

Posted by: Fritz at April 25, 2018 03:49 PM (2Mnv1)

368 Why does one need a $150.00 cooler???<<<

Not sure what your problem is with $1 in Sstyrofoam box, $5 in ice, and $144 in beer.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 25, 2018 03:50 PM (r+sAi)

369 345 If Trump replaces Kennedy with a conservative, Roberts will fill the moderate void. You can already see it coming.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at April 25, 2018 03:46 PM (wGbBR)
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*sad trombone* Yep.

Posted by: WisRich at April 25, 2018 03:50 PM (G0vdT)

370 Speaking of getting it right, son #2 who graduates May 5 got hired by an

engineering firm this morning, he starts May 14. Posted by: dagny at April 25, 2018 03:36 PM

Have you bought him a slide rule yet? Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 25, 2018 03:41 PM (ctuyM)
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Congrats dagny and son! Actually, I have daughter, soninlaw, and nephew graduating end of May. I wanted to buy slide rules for graduation gifts. Boy howdy, a little pricier than I was planning.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 25, 2018 03:50 PM (MIKMs)

371 The fact that this is even being considered by the Supreme Court or any court demonstrates how fucked we are. American Citizens should and do have a right who decides who, if anybody, crosses our borders. This is insane.

Posted by: Monk at April 25, 2018 03:50 PM (573j3)

372 When the divorce happens, they get rap "music" please...

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And they have to take Detroit.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 25, 2018 03:50 PM (+y/Ru)

373 Posted by: rhomboid at April 25, 2018 03:49 PM (QDnY+)

You just said he was not major league material. In my book that's dismissing him and the good he could do. It's your opinion . I'm fine with that but I call it like I see it.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 25, 2018 03:51 PM (t8kZU)

374 Now I would like to see Cruz on SCOTUS. Talk about making Leftard's heads get all 'splodey, that'd do it.

It would be a wonderful thing to see. He'd eviscerate the Dims in his confirmation hearings.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at April 25, 2018 03:43 PM (GdWl+)
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Yes, it would be a thing of beauty to see him as a Supreme Court Justice.
Still would worry about the shenanigans the Dems. would pull to replace his Senate seat... still worried about 2018.

Posted by: redridinghood at April 25, 2018 03:53 PM (PvFoN)

375 Also, make sure none of them are Harvard grads, they are too well represented already.
Posted by: bonhomme at April 25, 2018 03:48 PM (iv0p7)

We tried that but the Bush haters had a fit. Ironic that it was NR that led the rebellion.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 25, 2018 03:54 PM (t8kZU)

376 288 Best way to repeal a bad law is to enforce it with vigor.

Well, if you don't use Vim And Vigor, you are not doing it right. MisHum and his brother were called Vim and Vigor. Or Peace and Quiet. Something like that.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 25, 2018 03:55 PM (feFsi)

377 i said way back when that this will go 7 to 2. We'll get at least five to say that Congress has full authority delegated to the Prsident. Maybe some weasel words about not screwing suspect groups but that's not how the revised EO is written

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 25, 2018 03:56 PM (n+6mJ)

378 Ya know, I met the rarest animal there is...a humble Harvard grad. He was so remarkable I was blindsided. Who'd 'ave thunk it. I even spit out my chewing tobacco in his honor.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 25, 2018 03:57 PM (feFsi)

379 /Posted by: mustbequantum at April 25, 2018 03:50 PM (MIKMs)

That's interesting. My dad started out as a civil engineer and we had them all over the house. I distinctly remember as a very wee child their buying my brother the first 'pocket' calculator (which hung on his belt in a case).

Posted by: dagny at April 25, 2018 04:01 PM (ahV/f)

380 How have we fallen so far from the rule of law that Supreme Court justices, of all people, cannot seem to imagine a way to adjudicate specific cases for exceptions to a completely lawful travel ban instead of a blanket decree that a ban is unconstitutional - which is ludicrous on its face.

The most baffling part is, when a LAW is struck down as unconstitutional, the legislature can go back and try to craft a better law that doesn't run afoul of the constitution.

Alas, there IS NO LAW at play here, just an executive order implementing immigration restrictions based on the jurisdiction of the executive branch given to it by the Constitution and the laws passed by Congress.

What are they going to do, invalidate the entirety of immigration law and basically say anyone can come here, anytime they like ? SCOTUS simply can't do that. I suppose they could try, but good lord, talk about a backlash.

I guess I just fail to see how they could rule against the ban in any meaningful way. Least of all without running up against "strict scrutiny" which requires they give wide lattitude to other branches, unless there is no reasonable way to otherwise reach a particular goal. There is most definitely a better way than striking down the entire ban, to help these hypothetical cases.

Posted by: deadrody at April 25, 2018 04:05 PM (jsGbO)

381 261 Now? I'll never forget the convention.
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Cruz was 2nd vote-getter and appeared and thanked his supporters. Where was Jeb or Rubio?

Posted by: mustbequantum

They took all 8 of them to lunch at a snack truck.

Posted by: White Dick at April 25, 2018 04:22 PM (IeDO8)

382 words mean nothing. Its your feelings / intent. and be sure, no matter what words. YOU INTENDED to violate the meaning of the poem on the only statue we like.

Posted by: TANSTAASFL at April 25, 2018 04:33 PM (Wa5hI)

383 Justice Elena Kagan asked Francisco how thoroughly the court could review a ban on migration from Israel enacted by an openly anti-Semitic president...

Hey Zeus!

Kagan's fug buck nuts analogy only reveals her gross bias in the case. But, Dunning-Kruger, she knows she is right.

At least the other idiot pick could be written of as innocent ignorance in a specialized field of 'law' that few lawyers really know much about - any field not subject to legal dispute in US courts.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 25, 2018 04:57 PM (Eu5eZ)

384 Kagen's line of questioning leads me to believe that we could vacate all legislation signed by FDR, LBJ, and Jimmeh Effin Carter because they are well proven Anit-Semite Racist Sexist Homophobes; so that'd be cool.

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Report: Supreme Court Deeply Divided on Travel Ban, But the Five Conservative Justices Seem to Favor the Administration's Position
Update: NPR, AP, and Reuters All Seem More Certain than the Daily Caller That Trump Will Win