What's So Special About The Speech Of Academics, Other Than It Is Often Stupid?

I get it. Academic freedom is important in the context of research into uncomfortable topics. But some fat-assed bitch shooting her mouth off about the former first lady is not by any stretch of the imagination related to academic freedom, especially since it was uttered on a public forum and not part of any academic endeavor. It is simply a function of free speech. And the aforementioned fat-assed bitch has every right to say what she said. Good for her! She lives in a free society, in which the jack-booted thugs of government are not breaking down her door and hauling her off to prison.

But that doesn't mean that her speech is or should be repercussion-free. We need to separate academic freedom from free speech, because our left-leaning academics (and that is most of them) hide behind tenure and say things that are deserving of repercussions in any reasonable workplace.

If cops have to have dashboard cams what about college classroom cams. Let’s see how adept the Fresno State Professor is at her craft.
— Dennis Miller (@DennisDMZ) April 20, 2018

If she published a scholarly (hah!) paper making the charge that George Bush and Barbara Bush are responsible for the deaths of millions of people, and actually backed it up with some data and fact and other messy and difficult things like logical analysis, then I would grudgingly support the notion that her work is deserving of some protection.

But jabbering like a fool and looking like nothing so much as an angry sow in a barnyard is not the same thing.

[Although...Barbara Bush Foundation For Family Literacy is almost exactly like genocide]

Posted by: CBD at 12:00 PM

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1 adept, I am

Posted by: weirdflunky at April 22, 2018 11:53 AM (KZj/a)

2 She is a protected class

Posted by: MAC SOG and nothing will happen at April 22, 2018 11:55 AM (czkHE)

3 2 She is a protected class
Posted by: MAC SOG and nothing will happen at April 22, 2018 11:55 AM (czkHE)

Thrice over. Fat. Female. Muslim.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 22, 2018 11:56 AM (NWiLs)

4 Not suspending students - from university on down to elementary school - for recording lectures in publicly-supported schools would be a good place to start.

Posted by: hogmartin at April 22, 2018 11:57 AM (y87Qq)

5 Maybe she's a sacred cow?...

Posted by: Lone ranger at April 22, 2018 11:57 AM (4voYv)

6 Students are welcome to record my lectures...I just tell them I have ownership rights on the jokes.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 22, 2018 11:58 AM (0tfLf)

7 Some teach by example. Okay, it's a bad example, but nevertheless, she's teaching us something: Even Tenure can be strained by insane, hateful rantings.

Posted by: Gork at April 22, 2018 11:59 AM (aKDSJ)

8 A sacred cow with tenure.

Posted by: Lone ranger at April 22, 2018 12:00 PM (4voYv)

9 Here's a quick fix for a lot of this nonsense:

Stop giving tax dollars to universities. Zero it out. No funding of state university systems, no student aid, sent by the bucket-loads with the children as they fly off to four years (or more) of having their heads filled with useless crap.

Only to be saddled with tens, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt.

Why are we starting people out in life this way? Why are we paying for it?

Posted by: BurtTC at April 22, 2018 12:00 PM (Pz4pT)

10 Even if George and G.W. were somehow responsible, there is still no cause to have insulted Barbara.

The first lady is not authorizing military action.

Posted by: Sjg at April 22, 2018 12:03 PM (gDSJf)

11 Why are we starting people out in life this way? Why are we paying for it?
Posted by: BurtTC at April 22, 2018 12:00 PM (Pz4pT)

Control

Posted by: MAC SOG and nothing will happen at April 22, 2018 12:03 PM (czkHE)

12 Even Tenure can be strained by insane, hateful rantings.
Posted by: Gork at April 22, 2018 11:59 AM (aKDSJ)

Tenure. I can say whatever the hell I want, and you can't do anything to stop me.

Student. Don't even look at me funny, or you will be branded a hater, and your life will be over.

Why, it's almost like we have two different classes of people, operating in the same vicinity, where one class can do no wrong, and the other class can do no right, unless they conform to our way of thinking and believing.

This is America?

Posted by: BurtTC at April 22, 2018 12:04 PM (Pz4pT)

13 The speech of academics is "learn-ed"

LOL

Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at April 22, 2018 12:06 PM (hMwEB)

14 Not suspending students - from university on down to elementary school - for recording lectures in publicly-supported schools would be a good place to start.
Posted by: hogmartin at April 22, 2018 11:57 AM (y87Qq)

I've read those stories for years. The teacher does nothing but rant about Bush and attack conservatives rather than teach their subject. Then some student records it and gets in trouble.

James O'Keefe should make exposing nutty teachers his next project. Hopefully he could plan the op and release the audio in such a way that it couldn't be connected back to any student.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 22, 2018 12:06 PM (/qEW2)

15 >>>>Not suspending students - from university on down to
elementary school - for recording lectures in publicly-supported
schools would be a good place to start.

Posted by: hogmartin at April 22, 2018 11:57 AM
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.
.College Students recording classroom lectures, at least audio, was standard procedure for decades. Not sure when that changed though.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 22, 2018 12:07 PM (+Dllb)

16 Those who cant, Teach

Eating a warmed over thoroughly dead cheeseburger at Medger Evers Airport in Jackson MS. Yum

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2018 12:07 PM (OdoZx)

17 All government skools should have desk cams in the classroom.

What a wonderful idea. Shine a light on the cockroaches, big and small.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 22, 2018 12:07 PM (EoRCO)

18 11 bucks for the burger and 6 for the beer

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2018 12:08 PM (OdoZx)

19 Old joke from LaughIn (50 years ago):

Lady #1: I am so worried about my son, he was drafted and may go to Vietnam.

Lady #2: You think you are worried? My son was admitted to Berkley.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 22, 2018 12:08 PM (MIKMs)

20
I remember speech academy, good flick.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 22, 2018 12:09 PM (r+sAi)

21
Leftists want to be bold, courageous revolutionaries, and then hide in their tenure safe spaces when faced with pushback.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 22, 2018 12:09 PM (PiIfi)

22 Eating a warmed over thoroughly dead cheeseburger at Medger Evers Airport in Jackson MS. Yum
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2018 12:07 PM (OdoZx)

Might make the flight out a bit umm

problematic.

Posted by: weirdflunky at April 22, 2018 12:09 PM (KZj/a)

23 College Students recording classroom lectures, at least audio, was standard procedure for decades. Not sure when that changed though.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 22, 2018 12:07 PM (+Dllb)

It's standard in real classes, where students want to later review lectures while studying and trying to learn.

It's verboten in the political indoctrination wings because if a recording got to the outside world, the non intersectionally enlightened couldn't comprehend the true magnificence of such words.

Posted by: Sjg at April 22, 2018 12:10 PM (gDSJf)

24
I've read those stories for years. The teacher does nothing but rant about Bush and attack conservatives rather than teach their subject. Then some student records it and gets in trouble.

If the "teacher" really believes in what they say then they should be proud of a video of their rants.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 22, 2018 12:10 PM (IqV8l)

25 274 Posted by: Puddin Head at April 22, 2018 11:48 AM (vV/gB)

Other than Euripedes?
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Thanks CBD. Yeah, that might work.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 22, 2018 12:11 PM (vV/gB)

26 Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2018 12:08 PM (OdoZx

Are you kidding? If not, that's really really crappy.

Posted by: HH at April 22, 2018 12:11 PM (mIJBI)

27 There's a whole lot of suet there.

But halal, i believe.

Posted by: Ahmed, the curious at April 22, 2018 12:11 PM (4voYv)

28 A professor that make waves in their discipline and professionally argues their position, even if weakly or not convincingly, can bring some prestige to their academy.

Being a public boor brings dishonor and certainly warrants getting shit canned. Especially if they are unremarkable in their field.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 22, 2018 12:12 PM (Eu5eZ)

29
This will end when the last Vice Chancellor for Diversity is strangled with the guts of the last Grievance Studies professor.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 22, 2018 12:12 PM (PiIfi)

30 My thought is any prof forbidding his students to record him/her is not really a professor. More likely a comedienne working up a new routine. You are not allowed to charge for dry runs.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 22, 2018 12:13 PM (vV/gB)

31 This is America?
Posted by: BurtTC at April 22, 2018 12:04 PM (Pz4pT)

Given the California 3 partition plan, Fresno would be in one of the American Californias, so yes.

Maybe we should give it to the seceding California.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 22, 2018 12:13 PM (/qEW2)

32 I fully support her 1st A right
Fully
She needs a bigger megaphone

Policywise

Is there no point where the august faculty of an institute of higher learning is chasing away so many donors and enrollees that its jeapordizing the future of the institute
Yes its starting to happen at certain institutes
The institute still cant get take any action
That seems unwise

And so when the institute starts firing faculty members because of budget concerns do they get to prioritize firing the ones running them out of business
So at the end the lunatics will literally be running the asylum

The more offensive you are the more secure your job is

But
It is not the 1st A that is keeping her from getting fired
Its tenure.
And itsnot her academic pronouncements they would be firing her for
its her revenue killing politics

Is tenure a suicide pact
The constitution isnt

Same questions

Posted by: Skeezix at April 22, 2018 12:16 PM (BwJGV)

33 Don't they receive tax dollars? It woulda shame if something were to happen to those dollars.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at April 22, 2018 12:16 PM (rLyG8)

34 http://bit.ly/2F7wCjS
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LMAO: WikiLeaks Replies To Dem's Lawsuit -'Discovery Is Going To Be Amazing Fun'
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Checkmate

Posted by: Sorry/ Not Sorry at April 22, 2018 12:17 PM (y3aQB)

35 I was completely unaware that Barbara Bush was a racist. Did the barnyard sow provide any examples of that?

Posted by: Guns Gardens and Yarn at April 22, 2018 12:18 PM (znV6x)

36 Don't they receive tax dollars?<<<<<<<<

one of the shameful things of our country. they'll likely get more every year, as usual.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 22, 2018 12:18 PM (r+sAi)

37 Rendering works quite well from my experience.

Posted by: Joe, the butcher at April 22, 2018 12:18 PM (4voYv)

38
Don't they receive tax dollars? It woulda shame if something were to happen to those dollars.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet

Anti-intellectual

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 22, 2018 12:18 PM (GoOva)

39 A sacred cow with tenure.

Posted by: Lone ranger
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She follows in the mold. Most sister is a professor with her Phd. A flaming SJW.

She insists that her sibs call her *Dr.*

We dont.

Posted by: Tonypete at April 22, 2018 12:18 PM (9rIkM)

40 http://bit.ly/2F7MDGy
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WATCH: Fresno State Professor Praises Plane Hijackers, Calls For Acts Of Terrorism | Daily Wire
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I have a feeling Mrs. Wildebeest will never be back at Fresno St.

Posted by: Sorry/ Not Sorry at April 22, 2018 12:18 PM (y3aQB)

41 Speaking of going off the deep end, what the hell happened to Brad Thor? His extended temper tantrum is tiresome.

Posted by: Bill Hickok at April 22, 2018 12:20 PM (gC2IV)

42 29
This will end when the last Vice Chancellor for Diversity is strangled with the guts of the last Grievance Studies professor.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 22, 2018 12:12 PM (PiIfi)
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THIS.
Why does this woman have tenure to begin with?

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 22, 2018 12:21 PM (0jtPF)

43 Off Wild Bill sock.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 22, 2018 12:21 PM (gC2IV)

44 I hope left wing scum profs and all left wing scum keep talking. Let them bury themselves.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2018 12:21 PM (OdoZx)

45 Tenure should be for people who possess and develop a skill and excel in a trade.

Teachers? Be happy you're still teaching.

Posted by: Fritz at April 22, 2018 12:21 PM (J7XgW)

46 She's been tweeting ugly stuff for a while, typical anti-white trash talk. The Bush tweets were business as usual, not a bad moment of a specific hate. She was raised in the Middle East, is Palestinian, and - get this! - hates us.

Every company I've worked for has has some sort of employee agreement that specifies if I do something that reflects poorly on the company, even during off hours (DUIs, whatever), they can fire me. To me, this is where this professor is running afoul: she is an embarrassment to Fresno State, and her behavior reflects poorly on this institution. I don't know why an academic would be exempt from that when the guy who hewed out a Chik-fil-A drive through waitress was fired, an ESPN host is fired for saying racially tone-deaf thing is fired, and so on.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 22, 2018 12:22 PM (W+vEI)

47 >>>is almost exactly like genocide

I thought Muslims like genocide. It's how they've spread their religion in the past and how they do it now. Maybe the teacher was paying the Bushes a compliment.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 22, 2018 12:22 PM (/qEW2)

48 But boy that fresno state prof is some wilder beast. My G-D

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2018 12:22 PM (OdoZx)

49 Beer is good.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2018 12:23 PM (OdoZx)

50 48 But boy that fresno state prof is some wilder beast. My G-D
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2018 12:22 PM (OdoZx)

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John has a long mustache.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 22, 2018 12:24 PM (gC2IV)

51 >>>>>Beer is good.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2018 12:23 PM
.
.
.Gonna got and get some in at about 27 minutes.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 22, 2018 12:26 PM (+Dllb)

52 Don't they receive tax dollars? It woulda shame if something were to happen to those dollars.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at April 22, 2018 12:16 PM (rLyG

Honestly, making a big deal of these ranting lunatic, tenured staff at universities, is kinda missing the point.

We have university administrators who, in state systems, are state employees. We have politicians who set up these tax schemes to allow state school employees to run these schools.

And ultimately, it comes down to us. We value an "education" so highly, we're willing to send our children into these places, for a piece of paper that says they can join the rest of us in "educated" class.

As the saying goes, we have met the enemy... and he is us.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 22, 2018 12:26 PM (Pz4pT)

53 Saw a vid of her cow'splaining the other day.

Isn't that a crime?

I' fairly sure that cow is a cow,
No steer junk there.

Them is 'dorm food thighs'.

Posted by: Lone ranger at April 22, 2018 12:26 PM (4voYv)

54 A country with kids who think that George Bush killed more people than Joseph Stalin doesn't have a future.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 22, 2018 12:26 PM (rnAwa)

55 >>I hope left wing scum profs and all left wing scum keep talking. Let them bury themselves.

The Daniel Greenfield post JJ linked to last week makes a good point about this professor and one of her colleagues who has said equally hateful things: they've crossed a significant line in that they are openly calling for the death of Republicans. This is not passionate disagreement, this is rhetoric that encourages people like the dude who shot up the GOP Congressman practicing baseball.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 22, 2018 12:27 PM (W+vEI)

56 Lizzy. Yup.

They should be prosecuted

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2018 12:27 PM (OdoZx)

57 She could always go teach at Mizzou or Evergreen. They'd be happy to have her.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 22, 2018 12:28 PM (/qEW2)

58 18
11 bucks for the burger and 6 for the beer
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2018 12:08 PM (OdoZx)

Hope there was a concert to go with those prices.

Posted by: rickl at April 22, 2018 12:28 PM (sdi6R)

59 She would fit in at Columbia U in NYC. Well maybe not fit

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2018 12:28 PM (OdoZx)

60 #EndAcademicPrivilege

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 22, 2018 12:29 PM (oVJmc)

61 57 She could always go teach at Mizzou or Evergreen. They'd be happy to have her.
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Don't forget about Middlebury.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 22, 2018 12:30 PM (vV/gB)

62 Rickl no concert. At Airport but pretty girl at Bar struck up a conversation with me. Lol

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2018 12:30 PM (OdoZx)

63 I am ambivalent about tenure in universities.
The truth is that today it is far more likely to protect Contras (anyone who questions the Left) than moonbats like this twit.

Leftists can say just about anything in any way they wish without anyone calling for their dismissal. You pretty much have to jump a whale to raise an eyebrow if you're a leftie.
It's the Contras that NEED tenure.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 22, 2018 12:30 PM (0jtPF)

64 Privatize student loans and an IG review of all govt. grants to colleges. There should also be an IG review of the idiots in congress and bureaucrat agencies that give the grants.

Posted by: gNewt at April 22, 2018 12:31 PM (bxu2Y)

65 #BanFatAssAcademicBitches

Too long?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at April 22, 2018 12:32 PM (o7tuA)

66 One thing the students should be grateful for. If she's overweight, she probably doesn't get any exercise, like riding a bicycle. And if she has no bicycle she's unlikely to be toting a bike lock.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 22, 2018 12:33 PM (/qEW2)

67 Congress should meet twice a year unless called into special session. And fuckin slash their phony balcony benifits and Salary

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2018 12:33 PM (OdoZx)

68 54 A country with kids who think that George Bush killed more people than Joseph Stalin doesn't have a future.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 22, 2018 12:26 PM (rnAwa)
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Indeed --- not to mention a country where the overwhelming majority of college students have never even heard of Stalin.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 22, 2018 12:33 PM (0jtPF)

69
Supporting/underwriting colleges with taxpayer dollars is income redistribution, pure and simple. Throw in some government oversight of the admissions process to ensure 'equality'. Sit back while colleges raise tuition costs at some multiple of the inflation rate.

Watch your own children be denied admission because of white privilege. Fvck all of that shit.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at April 22, 2018 12:33 PM (LOgQ4)

70 Man how would you like to be her gynecologists

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2018 12:35 PM (OdoZx)

71 Don't they receive tax dollars? It woulda shame if something were to happen to those dollars.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet

Anti-intellectual
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 22, 2018 12:18 PM (GoOva)

Another of the accepted terms, that create an illusion of something other than what it is.

I'm not sure who coined the term "intellectual," but whoever it was, whether intentionally or not, created a brilliantly effective lie.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 22, 2018 12:35 PM (Pz4pT)

72 Most intellectuals are fuckin idiots

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2018 12:37 PM (OdoZx)

73 Well said, CBD.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 22, 2018 12:37 PM (GBxj/)

74 Gyno's...

I think veterinarians are required.

Posted by: Lone ranger at April 22, 2018 12:37 PM (4voYv)

75
People who advocate all sorts of free speech are seldom willing to accept responsibility for their utterances.

This seems to be a trademark of the left.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 22, 2018 12:37 PM (S/hVx)

76 Congress should meet twice a year unless called into special session. And fuckin slash their phony balcony benifits and Salary

Posted by: Nevergiveup
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And they should pay their way and their staff.
And no omnibus bills: one bill one law, no riders.

Posted by: gNewt at April 22, 2018 12:38 PM (bxu2Y)

77 Free speech for academics--

Inquisitions for everyone else.

Led by the academics.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 22, 2018 12:38 PM (oVJmc)

78 4 Not suspending students - from university on down to elementary school - for recording lectures in publicly-supported schools would be a good place to start.
Posted by: hogmartin at April 22, 2018 11:57 AM (y87Qq)

My lectures used to be videotaped - by the university - and placed in the library.

I had no problem with that. You want to record them? Be my guest.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 22, 2018 12:38 PM (GBxj/)

79 With Free Speech comes RESPONSIBLY. It is the second part the left does not get

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2018 12:39 PM (OdoZx)

80 Oddly, the only thing that bothers me about that large professor is the desperation of trying to use the 'pretty face' boost. Everyone who has ever dated knows that he/she has a good-looking face means they are beyond any kind of reasonable heavy weight. I say this from a family of Clydesdale-type people who do not fit in any weight categories.

Guess whatever attention-seeking is because she doesn't have the brains to work in academia, even as devalued as it is.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 22, 2018 12:39 PM (MIKMs)

81 Can we Jews opt out of the inquisition? Been there, Done that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2018 12:40 PM (OdoZx)

82 It's the Contras that NEED tenure.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 22, 2018 12:30 PM (0jtPF)

Which would be true, if you could demonstrate how the system itself is salvageable.

I don't think it is. And if the goal is to educate children, there are far better ways to accomplish that, rather than sending them off to these places.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 22, 2018 12:40 PM (Pz4pT)

83 Tenure protects professors brave enough to challenge accepted norms and question established beliefs.

Posted by: Things that were true 100 years ago at April 22, 2018 12:40 PM (1hnAA)

84 Privatize student loans and an IG review of all govt. grants to colleges. There should also be an IG review of the idiots in congress and bureaucrat agencies that give the grants.
Posted by: gNewt at April 22, 2018 12:31 PM (bxu2Y)

Impose a ceiling on overheads on government grants, say, 50% (it's usually much higher than this). The resulting howling would shake the rafters of Heaven.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 22, 2018 12:40 PM (GBxj/)

85 63 I am ambivalent about tenure in universities.
The truth is that today it is far more likely to protect Contras (anyone who questions the Left) than moonbats like this twit.

Leftists can say just about anything in any way they wish without anyone calling for their dismissal. You pretty much have to jump a whale to raise an eyebrow if you're a leftie.
It's the Contras that NEED tenure.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 22, 2018 12:30 PM (0jtPF)

This. Arthur Jensen leaps to mind in this connection.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 22, 2018 12:42 PM (GBxj/)

86 We will all be brothers at the new inquisition.

Posted by: gNewt at April 22, 2018 12:43 PM (bxu2Y)

87 >>>Man how would you like to be her gynecologists<<<

If she requires more than one,

Run!

Posted by: Fritz at April 22, 2018 12:43 PM (J7XgW)

88 GNewt: ok but I call top bunk

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2018 12:44 PM (OdoZx)

89 Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 22, 2018 12:30 PM (0jtPF)

This. Arthur Jensen leaps to mind in this connection.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 22, 2018 12:42 PM (GBxj/)

I've never heard of Arthur Jensen. Does Arthur Jensen have anything useful to say?

If so, then imagine a world where everyone could have access to what Arthur Jensen is saying, and not just people paying thousands and thousands of dollars to ONE university.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 22, 2018 12:44 PM (Pz4pT)

90
The truth is that today it is far more likely to protect Contras (anyone who questions the Left) than moonbats like this twit.

Any vocal non-Leftists that might get past the tenure screening process will be culled by the mob of Red Guards that the administration allows to run wild.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 22, 2018 12:44 PM (oVJmc)

91 Most intellectuals are fuckin idiots

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2018 12:37 PM

Try to convince them of that, pleasantly. Not possible. They have their heads so far up their own ass they can neither see nor hear.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at April 22, 2018 12:45 PM (LOgQ4)

92 How about some old-fashioned civility norms? Miss Manners, etc. Some of the extreme rhetoric coming out right now is just nasty. Anti-intellectual and unworthy. I guess we need to go back to 'my learned colleague' and similar constructions.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 22, 2018 12:47 PM (MIKMs)

93 Jason and Theseus were both major dicks to their girlfriends.

Medea was a witch, so Jason was also stupid in humiliating her that way.

I think Ariadne turned Maenad after Theseus abandons her, but they were already kind of into human sacrifices in Crete.Still he was smart to cut and run, but stupid to maryy her little sister later. That's just asking for karma.

Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at April 22, 2018 12:47 PM (hMwEB)

94 >>>Man how would you like to be her gynecologists<<<

If she requires more than one,

Run!

Posted by: Fritz at April 22, 2018 12:43 PM

Gonna needa a bigger speculum.

Posted by: Dr Quint Gyn at April 22, 2018 12:47 PM (LOgQ4)

95 If cops have to have dashboard cams what about college classroom cams. Let's see how adept the Fresno State Professor is at her craft.

If her craft is raging leftist hate, I'm sure she's good. Anything else and it's as bad as she looks

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 22, 2018 12:47 PM (SiINZ)

96 What extreme rhetoric from the right???

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2018 12:47 PM (OdoZx)

97 oh wrong thread

Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at April 22, 2018 12:48 PM (hMwEB)

98 (87) Would you rather be a Forensic Proctologist?

Posted by: Burger Chef at April 22, 2018 12:48 PM (RuIsu)

99 How about just getting rid of the bullshit departments that have no business being on any college or university? These departments, and their laughable faculties, are the problem. So long as they're around you cannot have anything reasonable on the campuses. Dissertations investigating delusional circumstances, the alleged effects of popular tv shows, categorizations of children's games ... things all more appropriately found in crappy teen magazines or the pamphlets of insane fringe groups should never be accepted as academic work.

The academy has brought itself to the same place as modern art with its blank canvases and ready-mades. If someone wants to pay for that shit, good for them, but they are nothing that constitutes actual art. If I like the blank canvas as a "piece of art" I can "make one" myself. It is nothing but the Emperor's New Clothes that says that only a 'bona fide', card-carrying 'artiste' can fashion a blank canvas or a ready-made.

Until the colleges get rid of these laughable "departments" there will be nothing but a host of shit flowing all over the academy, drowning and staining any legitimate work that is done there.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 22, 2018 12:48 PM (8gDQu)

100 candice owens smacks down Talcum X

https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/987787055043436544

Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at April 22, 2018 12:48 PM (hMwEB)

101 Here's a quick fix for a lot of this nonsense:

Stop giving tax dollars to universities. Zero it out. No funding of state university systems, no student aid, sent by the bucket-loads with the children as they fly off to four years (or more) of having their heads filled with useless crap.

Sorry, have to respectfully disagree here. First, a lot of university subvention by the Feds comes in the form of research grants. Yeah, there's a lot of crap funded in the social sciences - in fact, almost all of the "research" there is crap - but it also supports research in the natural sciences and engineering, and I think we can all agree that that is worthwhile.

Supporting students who are academically talented - and not just members of a favored demographic - allows able but impecunious students to receive educations that ultimately can benefit society. Otherwise, university enrollment would consist of Kennedy scions, etc.

The problem isn't with the system, it's with the people running the system. I'd zero out almost all social science research as worthless, and cap overheads on Federal grants, a hot issue for natural scientists because they support the shitheads in the humanities who assert that the real sciences are "irrelevant."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 22, 2018 12:49 PM (GBxj/)

102 What extreme rhetoric from the right???
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LOL. Zuckerberg will define extreme for us.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 22, 2018 12:49 PM (MIKMs)

103 >>>But that doesn't mean that her speech is or should be repercussion-free.

Part of the repercussion is that we are talking about her speech. What she said hasn't been redacted; her identity isn't hidden; the story is flushing out partisans on both sides, and they can take action accordingly. This is great!

Posted by: m at April 22, 2018 12:49 PM (ecMDh)

104 What extreme rhetoric from the right???
=====

LOL. Zuckerberg will define extreme for us.
Posted by: mustbequantum at April 22, 2018 12:49 PM (MIKMs)

As will Twatter, Googlag, Youtube and all of the other "open-minded" douches in tech land

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 22, 2018 12:51 PM (SiINZ)

105 How about just getting rid of the bullshit departments that have no business being on any college or university? These departments, and their laughable faculties, are the problem. So long as they're around you cannot have anything reasonable on the campuses.

THIS.

There's a sort of intellectual Gresham's Law at work here, with bullshit departments and their inmates dragging down the intellectual level of discourse in the entire university.

And to hell with disparate impact. If zapping those departments results in a reduction in minority "professors," so be it.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 22, 2018 12:51 PM (GBxj/)

106 91 Most intellectuals are fuckin idiots

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2018 12:37 PM

Try to convince them of that, pleasantly. Not possible. They have their heads so far up their own ass they can neither see nor hear.
Posted by: Forgot My Nic at April 22, 2018 12:45 PM (LOgQ4)

"There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them."

Posted by: Zombie George Orwell at April 22, 2018 12:52 PM (sdi6R)

107
And let me throw that James Bond villain wannabe Jeff Bozos in that category too. Amazon is just about acquiring power for that lefty SOB

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 22, 2018 12:52 PM (SiINZ)

108 How is it possible that 36 million Americans can't read? That's the number claimed over at the Barbara Bush Literacy site.

https://www.barbarabush.org

Posted by: m at April 22, 2018 12:52 PM (ecMDh)

109 I've never heard of Arthur Jensen. Does Arthur Jensen have anything useful to say?

If so, then imagine a world where everyone could have access to what Arthur Jensen is saying, and not just people paying thousands and thousands of dollars to ONE university.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 22, 2018 12:44 PM (Pz4pT)]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Jensen

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 22, 2018 12:53 PM (GBxj/)

110 Supporting students who are academically talented - and not just members of a favored demographic - allows able but impecunious students to receive educations that ultimately can benefit society. Otherwise, university enrollment would consist of Kennedy scions, etc.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 22, 2018 12:49 PM (GBxj/)

That's what university endowments are for. If the school really wants a student then the school can help pay for him.

State Universities used to be cheap enough that anyone who wanted to go could get through with the help of a job, if need be. If they can't get themeselves back down to a reasonable cost then those state systems need to be discontinued. There's no need for expensive state schools - and they certainly don't need to be. THe state schools just raise their costs to keep them in line with the private schools and because there's enough public money flowing to support their bloated budgets.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 22, 2018 12:53 PM (8gDQu)

111 Tenure. I can say whatever the hell I want, and you can't do anything to stop me.

Student. Don't even look at me funny, or you will be branded a hater, and your life will be over.

Why, it's almost like we have two different classes of people, operating in the same vicinity, where one class can do no wrong, and the other class can do no right, unless they conform to our way of thinking and believing.

This is America?
Posted by: BurtTC at April 22, 2018 12:04 PM (Pz4pT)

+++

This is what I think is going to be the most alarming outcome for the students once they go out into the real world: They have been coddled to the point that a mere "mean" word or even a "scary" glance from someone sends them screaming for protected shelter. Then we have have herds of lawless, uneducated, truly barbaric animals streaming across our borders, or already here, thanks to Obama. There is going to be a collision and I'm not putting any money on the graduates.

Posted by: washrivergal at April 22, 2018 12:54 PM (tcwn1)

112 How about some old-fashioned civility norms? Miss Manners, etc. Some of the extreme rhetoric coming out right now is just nasty. Anti-intellectual and unworthy. I guess we need to go back to 'my learned colleague' and similar constructions.
Posted by: mustbequantum at April 22, 2018 12:47 PM (MIKMs)

They're in the position of power. They wouldn't allow you or someone likeminded to dictate terms. The teachers are as immature as the stereotypical high school jock jerk and they enjoy bullying.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 22, 2018 12:54 PM (/qEW2)

113 >>>>But that doesn't mean that her speech is or should be repercussion-free.

Part of the repercussion is that we are talking about her speech.
What she said hasn't been redacted; her identity isn't hidden; the story
is flushing out partisans on both sides, and they can take action
accordingly. This is great!

Posted by: m at April 22, 2018 12:49 PM
.
.
.Plus after the most recent video that surfaced, I doubt she will be employed with the University much longer.

She is radioactive by her own choice.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 22, 2018 12:54 PM (+Dllb)

114 108 How is it possible that 36 million Americans can't read? That's the number claimed over at the Barbara Bush Literacy site.

https://www.barbarabush.org
Posted by: m at April 22, 2018 12:52 PM (ecMDh)

Yeah, it seems way too low. /kidding

But seriously, 36 million is only 10% of the population. Ten percent of a group is always an exception. It's the First Law of Sociology.

I'm semi-kidding, and semi-not. I can believe that 10% of the population cannot effectively - the operative word - read.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 22, 2018 12:55 PM (GBxj/)

115 Libs never seem to understand with freedom comes responsibility, they hate the consequences aspect of that phrase.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at April 22, 2018 12:56 PM (FqDda)

116 And let me throw that James Bond villain wannabe Jeff Bozos in that category too. Amazon is just about acquiring power for that lefty SOB

Posted by: TheQuietMan
***********************

The govt. uses AmazonCloud for storage and they have other contracts with the Beelzebub.

Eisenhower warned us about this type of activity. AT&T was not as big as Amazon when it was broken up.

Posted by: gNewt at April 22, 2018 12:56 PM (bxu2Y)

117 votermom, that's funny. I just watched about an hour of Candace Owens vids. The one with the CSU student was interesting.

Posted by: Infidel at April 22, 2018 12:56 PM (a3OL0)

118
How is it possible that 36 million Americans can't read? That's the number claimed over at the Barbara Bush Literacy site.

And 100 million go to bed hungry every night.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 22, 2018 12:56 PM (IqV8l)

119 State Universities used to be cheap enough that anyone who wanted to go could get through with the help of a job, if need be. If they can't get themeselves back down to a reasonable cost then those state systems need to be discontinued. There's no need for expensive state schools - and they certainly don't need to be. THe state schools just raise their costs to keep them in line with the private schools and because there's enough public money flowing to support their bloated budgets.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 22, 2018 12:53 PM (8gDQu)

No argument here.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 22, 2018 12:57 PM (GBxj/)

120 I can believe that 10% of the population cannot effectively - the operative word - read.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 22, 2018 12:55 PM (GBxj/)

I can believe it too.

Of course since we are talking social science, I will define what is being measured in the way best able to get me a big fat grant.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2018 12:57 PM (wYseH)

121 How is it possible that 36 million Americans can't read? That's the number claimed over at the Barbara Bush Literacy site.

And 100 million go to bed hungry every night.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 22, 2018 12:56 PM (IqV8l)

They're food insecure! And some of them are library insecure!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 22, 2018 12:57 PM (GBxj/)

122 How is it possible that 36 million Americans can't read? That's the number claimed over at the Barbara Bush Literacy site.

Posted by: m at April 22, 2018 12:52 PM

If you were an employer outside of one the major cities of this country you'd know the answer to that question. No one, I repeat no one, was ever able to sit down and fill out an employment application. The standard request was, "Can I take this home and fill it out?"

They simply could not read it. Even better, when they brought it back, the name of their own high school was misspelled. Nine times out of ten.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at April 22, 2018 12:57 PM (LOgQ4)

123 >>>How is it possible that 36 million Americans can't read? That's the number claimed over at the Barbara Bush Literacy site.

https://www.barbarabush.org

Posted by: m at April 22, 2018 12:52 PM
.
.
.Take out 15-20 million illegals and I can believe those numbers.

A quick trip to the DMV in any California City would back those numbers up.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 22, 2018 12:58 PM (+Dllb)

124 96 What extreme rhetoric from the right???
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2018 12:47 PM (OdoZx)

Anything that is not in complete lock-step with progressive orthodoxy is "extreme rhetoric."

Posted by: Insomniac at April 22, 2018 12:58 PM (NWiLs)

125 She is radioactive by her own choice.
=====

Filed under 'whatever happened to' -- that MO 'journalism' teacher who called for 'some muscle over here'. Click maybe (?, too lazy to look up).

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 22, 2018 12:58 PM (MIKMs)

126 Better pee before I board

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2018 12:58 PM (OdoZx)

127
They're food insecure! And some of them are library insecure!
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

Living in a book desert.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 22, 2018 12:59 PM (IqV8l)

128 127
They're food insecure! And some of them are library insecure!
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

Living in a book desert.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 22, 2018 12:59 PM (IqV8l)

At least they can get guns.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 22, 2018 12:59 PM (NWiLs)

129 Better pee before I board

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2018 12:58 PM

* hands NGU bullhorn to get in someones face *

#PeeForFree brother.

Posted by: Leftist Backpacker at April 22, 2018 01:00 PM (LOgQ4)

130 Here's a quick fix for a lot of this nonsense:

Stop giving tax dollars to universities. Zero it out. No funding of state university systems, no student aid, sent by the bucket-loads with the children as they fly off to four years (or more) of having their heads filled with useless crap.
----------------------------------
Sorry, have to respectfully disagree here. First, a lot of university subvention by the Feds comes in the form of research grants. Yeah, there's a lot of crap funded in the social sciences - in fact, almost all of the "research" there is crap - but it also supports research in the natural sciences and engineering, and I think we can all agree that that is worthwhile.

Supporting students who are academically talented - and not just members of a favored demographic - allows able but impecunious students to receive educations that ultimately can benefit society. Otherwise, university enrollment would consist of Kennedy scions, etc.

The problem isn't with the system, it's with the people running the system. I'd zero out almost all social science research as worthless, and cap overheads on Federal grants, a hot issue for natural scientists because they support the shitheads in the humanities who assert that the real sciences are "irrelevant."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 22, 2018 12:49 PM (GBxj/)

Two things:

First, I think we know there is increasing politicization of the "natural sciences," and universities are perpetuating a caste system all across the board there. Where anyone who doesn't adhere to the hive mind on these topics is increasingly unwelcome in the university system. So... an alternate could be had, where the fed system of funding research goes on elsewhere. Based on something other than the prestige of the university.

Second, I am more than happy to send my tax dollars to a university... if you can show me how you are going to get rid of the junk "science" and learning going on there. Those humanities departments, or whatever we call them, if you can functionally separate all that stuff out, remove it from the "real learning" happening elsewhere, then sure, I'll continue to support the university system. I am skeptical however, that such a thing will ever happen.

Might then be best to "let it burn," as they say, and then start over with something else.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 22, 2018 01:00 PM (Pz4pT)

131 They're food insecure! And some of them are library insecure!
=====

Easier to get a gun than food or a book. Gaaah.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 22, 2018 01:01 PM (MIKMs)

132 If we got the Feds out of the student loan business, a whole shit-ton of problems with academia would take care of themselves.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 22, 2018 01:01 PM (NWiLs)

133 I'm semi-kidding, and semi-not. I can believe that 10% of the population cannot effectively - the operative word - read.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 22, 2018 12:55 PM (GBxj/)

Yup-Reading isn't the problem, comprehension of what is read is the problem.

I have worked with many idiots who could read, but following what they read was an impossibility.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 22, 2018 01:01 PM (EoRCO)

134 I probably should have asked this on the book thread, but in case CBD is reading: what's a good resource to learn about the history of the Ashkenazi?

Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at April 22, 2018 01:01 PM (hMwEB)

135 68
54 A country with kids who think that George Bush killed more people than Joseph Stalin doesn't have a future.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 22, 2018 12:26 PM (rnAwa)

----------------------------

Indeed --- not to mention a country where the overwhelming majority of college students have never even heard of Stalin.

*****

They probably think Stalin was a great motivational speaker because of all the shit he got done.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at April 22, 2018 01:01 PM (h1jJh)

136 How is it possible that 36 million Americans can't read? That's the number claimed over at the Barbara Bush Literacy site.

Because they are under 6?

Posted by: LASue at April 22, 2018 01:02 PM (Z48ZB)

137 funneh

https://twitter.com/RobertEThrasher/status/988078110766755841

Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at April 22, 2018 01:02 PM (hMwEB)

138 And 100 million go to bed hungry every night.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 22, 2018 12:56 PM

Pre-diabetic, with metabolic syndrome, and a BMI well north of 30.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at April 22, 2018 01:02 PM (LOgQ4)

139 I can believe that 10% of the population cannot effectively - the operative word - read.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 22, 2018 12:55 PM (GBxj/)

I believe it. Urban schools (and the students) are unbelievably bad. People who have never had to interact with people from urban public schools have no idea. It's eye-opening.

Shit, Barky couldn't even do 8th grade level math. Seriously. And, while he wasn't illiterate, his writing was unbelievably poor.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 22, 2018 01:02 PM (8gDQu)

140 108 How is it possible that 36 million Americans can't read? That's the number claimed over at the Barbara Bush Literacy site.

https://www.barbarabush.org
Posted by: m at April 22, 2018 12:52 PM (ecMDh)

Who the hell knows the real number?

I have a guy that works for me that can't read. He is over 65 years old. Raised in abject poverty and quit school in the third grade to work.

He is by no means a singular example around here for his demographic. I think a lot of the time we forget some of the older folks when these statistics are compiled.

A literacy program for him would be less useful than simply setting a pile of cash on fire.

Posted by: weirdflunky at April 22, 2018 01:02 PM (KZj/a)

141 Of course since we are talking social science, I will define what is being measured in the way best able to get me a big fat grant.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2018 12:57 PM (wYseH)

I was trying to put some knowledge to a liberal acquaintance re global warming. Now as the assembled brethren and sistren here know, I think it's nonsense.

But if I were active in the relevant field, I'd keep my mouth shut about my skepticism. To do anything else would be professional suicide; your grant applications, papers, etc. - in short, your oxygen - would be anonymously reviewed by people who now hated your guts, and who would be determined to crush your career, for which you'd worked your ass for decades. Think of an M.D. saying/doing something that would torch his career, and you have the picture.

Notice that global warming skeptics tend to be guys who are retired, e.g, Richard Linzen at MIT, or otherwise hard to pressure.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 22, 2018 01:03 PM (GBxj/)

142 How about just getting rid of the bullshit departments that have no business being on any college or university?

How can every child go to kollije without enough bullshit courses they can manage to pass?

Sending more of the population to higher ed means that courses have to be provided for the less intellectually capable.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 22, 2018 01:03 PM (oVJmc)

143 I believe it. Urban schools (and the students) are unbelievably bad. People who have never had to interact with people from urban public schools have no idea. It's eye-opening.

Shit, Barky couldn't even do 8th grade level math. Seriously. And, while he wasn't illiterate, his writing was unbelievably poor.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 22, 2018 01:02 PM (8gDQu)

Profit to earnings ratios!

And not only Barky but Mooch as well. Her senior thesis was a pile of shit.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 22, 2018 01:03 PM (NWiLs)

144 >>>Two things:

First, I think we know there is increasing politicization of the
"natural sciences," and universities are perpetuating a caste system all
across the board there. Where anyone who doesn't adhere to the hive
mind on these topics is increasingly unwelcome in the university system.
So... an alternate could be had, where the fed system of funding
research goes on elsewhere. Based on something other than the prestige
of the university.

Second, I am more than happy to send my tax dollars to a
university... if you can show me how you are going to get rid of the
junk "science" and learning going on there. Those humanities
departments, or whatever we call them, if you can functionally separate
all that stuff out, remove it from the "real learning" happening
elsewhere, then sure, I'll continue to support the university system. I
am skeptical however, that such a thing will ever happen.

Might then be best to "let it burn," as they say, and then start over with something else.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 22, 2018 01:00 PM
.
.
.One of the first things obama did was to try and get the VA from letting people use their GI Bill at "for profit" Colleges, which means pretty much all "Private" Colleges.

There is a reason why he pushed that form the get go, they wanted all of the recycled Federal VA $$$ pumped back into the Public University System to lock out competition.

Luckily it never got off the ground.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 22, 2018 01:05 PM (+Dllb)

145 And I was stunned when Janelle(?) stated at the Trayvon Martin trial that she didn't know how to read cursive. I was WTF? How could this possibly be? I am so out of the loop, I don't even want to know any more.

Posted by: washrivergal at April 22, 2018 01:05 PM (tcwn1)

146 I suspect the original intent of "no recording" is to keep kids in class. Recorded lectures are a short step to internet college ... which needs far fewer professors. So they must protect the franchise.

Posted by: Jean at April 22, 2018 01:05 PM (MS0+a)

147 Can we Jews opt out of the inquisition? Been there, Done that
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2018 12:40 PM (OdoZx)

Denied!

Posted by: MAC SOG and nothing will happen at April 22, 2018 01:05 PM (czkHE)

148 108 How is it possible that 36 million Americans can't read? That's the number claimed over at the Barbara Bush Literacy site.
Posted by: m at April 22, 2018 12:52 PM
~~~~~

Considering the Bush's stance on illegal immigration, perhaps it includes those "better-than-Americans" among us undocumented-ly.

Posted by: IrishEi at April 22, 2018 01:05 PM (HiDrR)

149 147 Can we Jews opt out of the inquisition? Been there, Done that
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2018 12:40 PM (OdoZx)

Just shape-shift and nobody will bother you. Damn, man, do I have to think of everything?

Posted by: Insomniac at April 22, 2018 01:06 PM (NWiLs)

150 I believe it. Urban schools (and the students) are unbelievably bad. People who have never had to interact with people from urban public schools have no idea. It's eye-opening.

Shit, Barky couldn't even do 8th grade level math. Seriously. And, while he wasn't illiterate, his writing was unbelievably poor.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 22, 2018 01:02 PM (8gDQu)

I was thinking that too. When California waived the high school exit exam - which required 10th grade proficiency in English, and 8th grade (!) proficiency in math - a bunch of "students" were delighted that only now could they take up the places they'd be offered at the University of California.

No prizes for guessing the demographics here.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 22, 2018 01:07 PM (GBxj/)

151 And I was stunned when Janelle(?) stated at the Trayvon Martin trial that she didn't know how to read cursive. I was WTF? How could this possibly be? I am so out of the loop, I don't even want to know any more.
Posted by: washrivergal at April 22, 2018 01:05 PM
~~~~~

More common than you think among millennials, most of whom were not taught cursive in government schools.

Posted by: IrishEi at April 22, 2018 01:07 PM (HiDrR)

152 Profit to earnings ratios!

What Barky actually said was far worse than this. It was so bad that most people can't even remember it properly - because it was so unbelievably retarded:

Barky actually said "Profit AND earnings ratio!"

Yes, he used "ABD" to describe a ratio. That is something that is so stupid that most normal people can't even imagine anyone saying such a thing.

And not only Barky but Mooch as well. Her senior thesis was a pile of shit.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 22, 2018 01:03 PM (NWiLs)

Yup.

And Sotomayor - while she was already at Princeton! - told one of her professors that writing in Spanish is easier because there aren't any adjectives in Spanish. WHILE AT PRINCETON! Yep ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 22, 2018 01:07 PM (8gDQu)

153 And I was stunned when Janelle(?) stated at the Trayvon Martin trial that she didn't know how to read cursive.

As I recall, she wasn't tearin' it up with the printing, either.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 22, 2018 01:08 PM (oVJmc)

154 And not only Barky but Mooch as well. Her senior thesis was a pile of shit.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 22, 2018 01:03 PM (NWiLs)

It really was. It was an agrammatical and garbled farrago of regurgitated half-understood leftist memes.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 22, 2018 01:09 PM (GBxj/)

155 What Barky actually said was far worse than this. It was so bad that most people can't even remember it properly - because it was so unbelievably retarded:

Barky actually said "Profit AND earnings ratio!"

Oh Lord, you're right.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 22, 2018 01:10 PM (NWiLs)

156 Or, results test student loans. Those subjects with no market, less available cash.

Posted by: Jean at April 22, 2018 01:10 PM (MS0+a)

157
As I recall, she wasn't tearin' it up with the printing, either.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 22, 2018 01:08 PM (oVJmc)

+++

LOL.

Posted by: washrivergal at April 22, 2018 01:10 PM (tcwn1)

158 Don't think it's so much the fat and female that are the deciding factors. It's that she's a leftist academic who's a Muslim. If some woman who was hefty and a conservative Christian academic was spouting off on Twitter and saying hateful things about Michelle Obama-she wouldn't be protected in her job..

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 22, 2018 01:10 PM (tpDAe)

159 Can we Jews opt out of the inquisition? Been there, Done that
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2018 12:40 PM (OdoZx)
====
Nobody expected the spanish inquistion

Posted by: Sorry/ Not Sorry at April 22, 2018 01:10 PM (y3aQB)

160 And Sotomayor - while she was already at Princeton! - told one of her professors that writing in Spanish is easier because there aren't any adjectives in Spanish. WHILE AT PRINCETON! Yep ...
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 22, 2018 01:07 PM (8gDQu)

No adjectives in Spanish? My God. Wise Latina my ass. Doesn't even know the language of her people.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 22, 2018 01:11 PM (NWiLs)

161 A country with kids who think that George Bush killed more people than Joseph Stalin doesn't have a future.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 22, 2018 12:26 PM (rnAwa)

----------------------------

Indeed --- not to mention a country where the overwhelming majority of college students have never even heard of Stalin.

*****

They probably think Stalin was a great motivational speaker because of all the shit he got done.
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at April 22, 2018 01:01 PM (h1jJh)

Recently, I was watching one of those "10 interesting things you didn't know" type videos, and I'm not sure why... however...

One of the items, I kid you not: Did you know Stalin invented Photoshop? It's true! There were pictures of him, and if there was somebody else in the photo who was dead, he had them airbrush out the person who died, because he was superstitious, or something.

No mention of the fact that he was the one who deaded them in the first place!

Posted by: BurtTC at April 22, 2018 01:11 PM (Pz4pT)

162 >>>39 sister is a professor with her Phd. A flaming SJW.
She insists that her sibs call her *Dr.*
Posted by: Tonypete at April 22, 2018 12:18 PM (9rIkM)

Stunning. Seriously, this sounds like a flag for mental illness.

Posted by: m at April 22, 2018 01:12 PM (ecMDh)

163 O/T - from the book thread -

What/Who are Escaped Oafs and Oafettes?

Posted by: ALH at April 22, 2018 01:12 PM (YYn2L)

164 158 Don't think it's so much the fat and female that are the deciding factors. It's that she's a leftist academic who's a Muslim. If some woman who was hefty and a conservative Christian academic was spouting off on Twitter and saying hateful things about Michelle Obama-she wouldn't be protected in her job..
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 22, 2018 01:10 PM (tpDAe)

Sure, but those are intersectionally oppressed classes.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 22, 2018 01:13 PM (NWiLs)

165 146 I suspect the original intent of "no recording" is to keep kids in class. Recorded lectures are a short step to internet college ... which needs far fewer professors. So they must protect the franchise.
Posted by: Jean at April 22, 2018 01:05 PM (MS0+a)

I love Khan Academy, Duolingo, and the various courses offered online by, e.g., MIT.

This is the way of the future.

To anyone who bleats about "small classes," I respond, "How many people are watching, or have watched, this Khan Academy video?" If you want to learn, all you need is a good instructor, a good view of the blackboard, and the ability to hear the instructor.

That's it.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 22, 2018 01:13 PM (GBxj/)

166 Shit, Barky couldn't even do 8th grade level math. Seriously. And,
while he wasn't illiterate, his writing was unbelievably poor.
=====

I always tell the story about myself because I had to take College Algebra in my senior year to graduate (so it had been almost four years since I did any arithmetic, much less math), and my best friend that semester was a 6th grade kid because I couldn't remember basic operations.

Math is one of those things, like music, where practice applies.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 22, 2018 01:13 PM (MIKMs)

167 You know who else is a Fresno State professor?

VICTOR DAVIS HANSON

http://www.fresnostate.edu/artshum/mcll/faculty-staff/hanson.html

Posted by: m at April 22, 2018 01:13 PM (ecMDh)

168 162 >>>39 sister is a professor with her Phd. A flaming SJW.
She insists that her sibs call her *Dr.*
Posted by: Tonypete at April 22, 2018 12:18 PM (9rIkM)

Stunning. Seriously, this sounds like a flag for mental illness.
Posted by: m at April 22, 2018 01:12 PM (ecMDh)

People with no shit Ph.D.'s never do that. They'd be laughed at by everyone else. To insist of being referred to by title bespeaks galloping insecurity.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 22, 2018 01:14 PM (GBxj/)

169 Posted by: Insomniac at April 22, 2018 01:11 PM (NWiLs)

To her credit, Sotomayor admitted that she was "an affirmative action baby".

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 22, 2018 01:14 PM (8gDQu)

170 And I was stunned when Janelle(?) stated at the Trayvon Martin trial that she didn't know how to read cursive. I was WTF? How could this possibly be? I am so out of the loop, I don't even want to know any more.
Posted by: washrivergal at April 22, 2018 01:05 PM (tcwn1)

Rachel Jeantel.

12 years of government skool down the drain, and she was off to kollege.

She got a 4 year all paids skolarship from some radio fool. More money down the toilet.

She is perfect FBI recruitment material. Hell, she should be the next director.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 22, 2018 01:14 PM (EoRCO)

171 People with no shit Ph.D.'s never do that. They'd be laughed at by everyone else. To insist of being referred to by title bespeaks galloping insecurity.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 22, 2018 01:14 PM (GBxj/)

+++

The plastic doll she wore on the top of her head gave me that hint, also.

Posted by: washrivergal at April 22, 2018 01:15 PM (tcwn1)

172 77
Free speech for academics--

Inquisitions for everyone else.

Led by the academics.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 22, 2018 12:38 PM (oVJmc)
And therein lies the problem; only one side of the aisle --cough, the Left, cough-- gets to speak without worry (most of the time), while the other side is, in various ways, gagged (media, hecklers, academia). Worse yet is that the side that is allowed to speak is also the side allowed to use violence to further their goals. Thank God for self-defense rights, if you can hold on to them.

Posted by: jim at April 22, 2018 01:16 PM (gjGvH)

173 sister is a professor with her Phd. A flaming SJW.
She insists that her sibs call her *Dr.*
Posted by: Tonypete at April 22, 2018 12:18 PM (9rIkM)

if you have a Master's you should insist on being addressed as Master.
It's only fair.

Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at April 22, 2018 01:16 PM (hMwEB)

174 156 Or, results test student loans. Those subjects with no market, less available cash.
Posted by: Jean at April 22, 2018 01:10 PM (MS0+a)

How about charging true costs for courses? The natural sciences bring in a lot of money, so their courses should be cheap.

OTOH, the humanities bring in bupkis, and so students in those courses should pay the full freight, the fully burdened cost of their instructor. A fact which I would be careful to point out to them.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 22, 2018 01:17 PM (GBxj/)

175 150---.....When California waived the high school exit exam - which required 10th grade proficiency in English, and 8th grade (!) proficiency in math - a bunch of "students" were delighted that only now could they take up the places they'd be offered at the University of California.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 22, 2018 01:07 PM (GBxj/)
-----------------------------
And please note that 10th grade proficiency in English in the year 2010 is the equivalent of 8th grade proficiency in the year 1960. (Some analysts argue that it is even less.)

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 22, 2018 01:17 PM (0jtPF)

176 Rachel Jeantel.

12 years of government skool down the drain, and she was off to kollege.

She got a 4 year all paids skolarship from some radio fool. More money down the toilet.

She is perfect FBI recruitment material. Hell, she should be the next director.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 22, 2018 01:14 PM (EoRCO)

+++

Rachel Jeantel. That's right. Thank you.

Posted by: washrivergal at April 22, 2018 01:18 PM (tcwn1)

177 Notice that global warming skeptics tend to be guys who are retired, e.g, Richard Linzen at MIT, or otherwise hard to pressure.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 22, 2018 01:03 PM (GBxj/)

I wondered about that - retired, or in a somewhat related field like geology or physics. It should have occurred to me before, most of the active climatologists are just scared shitless. Judith Curry gets a pass, probably because they don't want to be seen as anti-woman.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 22, 2018 01:18 PM (/qEW2)

178 Posted by: BurtTC at April 22, 2018 12:44 PM (Pz4pT)]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Jensen
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 22, 2018 12:53 PM (GBxj/)

Yes, I looked him up, on Amazon, which incidentally, Amazon doesn't make it easy to zero in on HIS books.

Interesting topic. To a point. If I had more time, I would dive in, but this alas, is not my area. I would like to know more, but can't see myself jumping in. Maybe if there was a 1-4 hour lecture out there somewhere.....

Posted by: BurtTC at April 22, 2018 01:18 PM (Pz4pT)

179 @ALH...

"escaped oafs" is an anagram for Ace of Spades.

(I didn't know that either... found a late post in the book thread)

Posted by: Helena Handbotsket at April 22, 2018 01:18 PM (0ReGO)

180 Just because a person works for a university doesn't mean every bit of filth that pours from their dick hole deserves protection under the concept of academic freedom.

The reprehensible pig at Fresno State should be fired for being a disgusting human being with no respect for her fellow human beings.

You wouldn't hire a person with character like that if you do what she was like. And once you discovered what a absolute assholes they were in real life you should be able to fire her for that.

Is there some unwritten law that I was previously unaware of that says that every human being regardless of how vile they are deserves a permanent job in Academia?

Posted by: Sharkman at April 22, 2018 01:19 PM (Kge8X)

181 More common than you think among millennials, most of whom were not taught cursive in government schools.
=====

What I was told by the local elementary school was that something called D'nealian (?) was a better way to teach children and ease them into some kind of cursive. Weird serifs all over the place and the kids never learned block printing -- a distinct handicap for any science/engineering bound kids.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 22, 2018 01:19 PM (MIKMs)

182 Brad Thor challenges Trump for the 2020 nomination. His entire rai·son d'ê·tre is that Trump is a dumbass. I hope he follows this through (he wont) cause I'm pretty sure Thor will be the new poster boy for dumbass. Guy writes a couple of books and thinks he's equal to the guy who pulled of the greatest upset in American politics. #whadaputzbradthoris

Posted by: pretty sure at April 22, 2018 01:20 PM (Ymy4N)

183 >>>70 Man how would you like to be her gynecologists
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2018 12:35 PM (OdoZx)

Or her dentists.

Posted by: m at April 22, 2018 01:21 PM (ecMDh)

184 She follows in the mold. Most sister is a professor with her Phd. A flaming SJW.

She insists that her sibs call her *Dr.*

Ask her if she know about Dunning - Kruger, then point out that bigots, being the bottom 10% of humanity, feel superior to everyone because of Dunning - Kruger false confidence. Don't say anything else on the subject - just let it drop. She won't have anything to say about that either; but, its a time bomb that will detonate on her way home.

Posted by: An Observation at April 22, 2018 01:21 PM (SsHjJ)

185 This needs to be repeated again and again. And again.

Bitch needs to be fired.
Force the left to live by the same rules they impose upon everybody else.

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at April 22, 2018 01:21 PM (jWe5r)

186 And please note that 10th grade proficiency in English in the year 2010 is the equivalent of 8th grade proficiency in the year 1960. (Some analysts argue that it is even less.)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 22, 2018 01:17 PM (0jtPF)

Probably the same differential is true in math.

But this was for admission to UC, the premier public university in California, hell, for that matter, in the country.

If demonstrating proficiency in 10th grade (being generous here) English and 8th grade math was beyond your ability after multiple attempts*, you have no business at UC, unless it's wearing overalls and wielding a mop.

*The exit exam was given in the sophomore year, and could be re-taken in subsequent years as needed. So these geniuses had whiffed THREE times on a test that the Guevara spawn considerably laughably easy.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 22, 2018 01:22 PM (GBxj/)

187 My comment has gone snow skiing

Posted by: pretty sure at April 22, 2018 01:23 PM (Ymy4N)

188 Rachel Jeantel.

12 years of government skool down the drain, and she was off to kollege.

She got a 4 year all paids skolarship from some radio fool. More money down the toilet.

She is perfect FBI recruitment material. Hell, she should be the next director.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 22, 2018 01:14 PM (EoRC

+++

Somewhere, I believe it actually says that. Then you have people like Obama, who praise every teacher as if they were gifts from the gods and deserve every penny from our pockets.

Posted by: washrivergal at April 22, 2018 01:23 PM (tcwn1)

189 Worse yet is that the side that is allowed to speak is also the side
allowed to use violence to further their goals. Thank God for
self-defense rights, if you can hold on to them.
=====
Always amusing that mask laws are now being used against violence by agitators. Antifa, don't bring your nonsense to states that have those.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 22, 2018 01:23 PM (MIKMs)

190 http://bit.ly/2JhPizM
====
DNC's Perez: We Have Seen 'Mountain of Evidence of Collusion' Between Trump Campaign, Russia Breitbart
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BUT COLLUSION ISN'T A CRIME TOMMY

Posted by: Sorry/ Not Sorry at April 22, 2018 01:23 PM (y3aQB)

191 If you like to gamble, I tell you I'm your man,
You win some, lose some, all the same to me,
The pleasure is to play, makes no difference what you say,
I don't share your greed, the only card I need is
The Oafs Escaped!
The Oafs Escaped!
*guitar*

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 22, 2018 01:24 PM (rnAwa)

192 Yes, I looked him up, on Amazon, which incidentally, Amazon doesn't make it easy to zero in on HIS books.

Interesting topic. To a point. If I had more time, I would dive in, but this alas, is not my area. I would like to know more, but can't see myself jumping in. Maybe if there was a 1-4 hour lecture out there somewhere.....
Posted by: BurtTC at April 22, 2018 01:18 PM (Pz4pT)

"The Bell Curve" by Murray and Herrnstein is a suitable substitute.

I denounce myself, of course.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 22, 2018 01:24 PM (GBxj/)

193 Pretty sure we should just ignore dumbasses like this woman. You are giving her what she desires the most, attention.

Posted by: pretty sure at April 22, 2018 01:24 PM (Ymy4N)

194 Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 22, 2018 01:14 PM (GBxj/)

I know someone who is completing their Doctorate In Ministry degree which is a much less rigorous degree than, say Doctorate in Theology. You basically do it over two or three years gathering in a group several times a year. The person I know will insist that they be known as Dr_____.They already have on their business card, "The Very Reverend ________" (which is how clergy in their tradition are referred to professionally. )I told them not to use "Doctor" when they receive their degree-that it sounded pretentious, and I tweak them when I write to them sometimes by using "Dear Very Reverend". I don't think they see the humor and the comment about their D.Min was not received. There was a prolonged silence. They need to be able to laugh at themselves. That would truly be a work of the Holy Spirit.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 22, 2018 01:25 PM (tpDAe)

195 Man how would you like to be her gynecologists

Posted by: Nevergiveup
---
To boldly go where no man has gone before.

Nah.

Posted by: Tonypete at April 22, 2018 01:25 PM (9rIkM)

196 Never watched the Jeantel video, but she must have made a pretty bad showing linguistically, because all the lefty rags were jumping in to defend her word-fu. "She speaks thee languages!"

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 22, 2018 01:25 PM (/qEW2)

197 Yes, I looked him up, on Amazon, which incidentally, Amazon doesn't make it easy to zero in on HIS books.

Interesting topic. To a point. If I had more time, I would dive in, but this alas, is not my area. I would like to know more, but can't see myself jumping in. Maybe if there was a 1-4 hour lecture out there somewhere.....
Posted by: BurtTC at April 22, 2018 01:18 PM (Pz4pT)

Jensen was at Berkeley back when CBD and I were there, and the shitstorms that erupted around him were epic.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 22, 2018 01:25 PM (GBxj/)

198 Revenge porn is protected by the first amendment, says Texas appeals court.

Posted by: Rage against the machine at April 22, 2018 01:25 PM (roQNm)

199 169
To her credit, Sotomayor admitted that she was "an affirmative action baby".
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 22, 2018 01:14 PM (8gDQu)
--------------------------------
So did Michelle Obama, BTW.
Well,.... maybe not. Not exactly.
She did say that her grades and SATs were way below Princeton standards and she only was accepted because of her brother, who played basketball there.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 22, 2018 01:26 PM (0jtPF)

200 i'll bite.

Posted by: Beaver at April 22, 2018 01:27 PM (kCsT4)

201 193. Pretty sure ignoring dumbasses in positions of power and authority is a bad idea. Pretty sure.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 22, 2018 01:27 PM (fA1SL)

202 The person I know will insist that they be known as Dr_____.They already have on their business card, "The Very Reverend ________" (which is how clergy in their tradition are referred to professionally. )I told them not to use "Doctor" when they receive their degree-that it sounded pretentious, and I tweak them when I write to them sometimes by using "Dear Very Reverend".
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 22, 2018 01:25 PM (tpDAe)[

When grad students in chemistry finally get their doctorates - typically after five years - they jokingly refer to each other as "doctor." Once.

How about addressing your letters to "The Kinda Reverend?"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 22, 2018 01:28 PM (GBxj/)

203 Revenge porn is protected by the first amendment, says Texas appeals court.

Posted by: Rage against the machine at April 22, 2018 01:25 PM (roQNm)
---
and why wouldn't it be, assuming the original recording was consensual?

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 22, 2018 01:28 PM (kCsT4)

204 To her credit, Sotomayor admitted that she was "an affirmative action baby".
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 22, 2018 01:14 PM (8gDQu)
--------------------------------

Pretty sure that's not enough, want her gone, yesterday

Posted by: pretty sure at April 22, 2018 01:28 PM (Ymy4N)

205 She is perfect FBI recruitment material. Hell, she should be the next director.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 22, 2018 01:14 PM (EoRC

Why the FBI can't find its ass with both hands and a flashlight.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 22, 2018 01:28 PM (GBxj/)

206 How often do you get tenure with just a Masters degree?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 22, 2018 01:29 PM (yQpMk)

207 To her credit, Sotomayor admitted that she was "an affirmative action baby".
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 22, 2018 01:14 PM (8gDQu) ---------------

That was evidently pretty apparent from her recent dissent.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 22, 2018 01:30 PM (GBxj/)

208 206 How often do you get tenure with just a Masters degree?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 22, 2018 01:29 PM (yQpMk)

In jucos, maybe. Otherwise, no.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 22, 2018 01:30 PM (GBxj/)

209 So we need illegal immigrants from the Third World to do menial jobs, because a certain demographic that is only fit for menial labor refuses to do them and has such a lousy attitude that they won't even do those jobs properly if they *do* get them.

But they don't need to work because the government pays them not to work so they don't riot and burn down the cities. And they utterly hate us normal people who pay them not to work. And they get special privileges in university admissions and government hiring, so they actually have real power over us.

I think I need to go read a book for awhile, so I don't get banned.

Posted by: rickl at April 22, 2018 01:31 PM (sdi6R)

210 173 sister is a professor with her Phd. A flaming SJW.
She insists that her sibs call her *Dr.*
Posted by: Tonypete at April 22, 2018 12:18 PM (9rIkM)

if you have a Master's you should insist on being addressed as Master.
It's only fair.
Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at April 22, 2018 01:16 PM (hMwEB)

I have a Bachelor's and a I am bachelor.

Posted by: josephistan at April 22, 2018 01:31 PM (ANIFC)

211 Up your nose with a rubber hose.

Posted by: Professor Barbarino at April 22, 2018 01:31 PM (J7XgW)

212 Somewhere, I believe it actually says that. Then you have people like
Obama, who praise every teacher as if they were gifts from the gods and
deserve every penny from our pockets.
=====

Classroom teachers do not deserve my rage. They have to deal with children and parents and whatever idiocy comes down from on high.

Administrators, on the other hand, can disappear; and taxpayers are happy, teachers are happy, and maybe some real education that we pay for can occur.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 22, 2018 01:33 PM (MIKMs)

213 Pretty sure we should just ignore dumbasses like this woman. You are giving her what she desires the most, attention.
Posted by: pretty sure at April 22, 2018 01:24 PM (Ymy4N)

========

That would be true at earlier stages. Her requests for citizenship should have been ignored. Her application for the position should have been ignored. And if she whined about how bigoted that was, that too should be ignored.

But now there's more at stake. As ace has pointed out, there are two classes of citizens now. Ones allowed to express their opinions and others who will be bullied into silenced and punished if they have the wrong opinion. So it is right to push back on this and try to get equal treatment.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 22, 2018 01:34 PM (/qEW2)

214 I know and have been friendly with a number of people who have Doctorates and no, most of them are not in the sciences, but they had to live at the schools and do a ton of work and defend their dissertations. These particular folks are seminary professors-all of whom had to know several languages to do work in research-Greek, Hebrew and one of two others if- say- they were teaching Church History. I had a professor I would always refer to as Dr. _______ as a matter of courtesy and when I became friends with him after seminary I would call him John. He never insisted that I call him "Dr._____" when I wrote to him or saw him personally. So, I would say it depends on the person-whether they are pretentious of not. I have met people with doctorates in the sciences who had- IMO-, overweening pride I don't think it's necessarily just because there are in a field like History of English that they insist on titles .

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 22, 2018 01:34 PM (tpDAe)

215 Some profs do record their lectures. Some you can find on UToob, some of them are gems. I am sure the SJW sort don't since there still is that lingering fear that someone might find paying top dollar so your kids can be harrangued about how evil you are might be considered a negative thing.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 22, 2018 01:34 PM (2K6fY)

216 210 173 sister is a professor with her Phd. A flaming SJW.
She insists that her sibs call her *Dr.*
Posted by: Tonypete at April 22, 2018 12:18 PM (9rIkM)

if you have a Master's you should insist on being addressed as Master.
It's only fair.
Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at April 22, 2018 01:16 PM (hMwEB)

I have a Bachelor's and a I am bachelor.
Posted by: josephistan at April 22, 2018 01:31 PM (ANIFC)

Do people call you Bachelor Josephistan?

Posted by: Surfperch at April 22, 2018 01:35 PM (J7NdS)

217 Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 22, 2018 01:28 PM (GBxj/)

I like it. He wouldn't. ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 22, 2018 01:35 PM (tpDAe)

218 OT- beaver!

Posted by: USNtakim at April 22, 2018 01:35 PM (0OmEj)

219 179 @ALH...

"escaped oafs" is an anagram for Ace of Spades.

(I didn't know that either... found a late post in the book thread)
Posted by: Helena Handbotsket at April 22, 2018 01:18 PM (0ReGO)

Thanks, Helena. What will they come up with next!

Posted by: ALH at April 22, 2018 01:36 PM (YYn2L)

220 160
And Sotomayor - while she was already at Princeton! - told one of her
professors that writing in Spanish is easier because there aren't any
adjectives in Spanish. WHILE AT PRINCETON! Yep ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 22, 2018 01:07 PM (8gDQu)

No adjectives in Spanish? My God. Wise Latina my ass. Doesn't even know the language of her people.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 22, 2018 01:11 PM (NWiLs)

***
As an attorney in New York I appeared before Sotomayor a few times. She struck me as an absolute retard and an obvious "affirmative action " judiciary member. When I read that a "Sotomayor" was tabbed by Mugabe Obama to be on the SC, I automatically assumed it was someone else. You know, someone who wasn't a full blown retard and who knew something about the law. Nope . . it was she.

Nice going Obama.

Well, from the looks of it, her choice of eating habits and lifestyle are just as retarded as she is and may cause her to find an early membership in the Choir Invisible. Such thoughts warm my cold black heart at night.

Posted by: Publius Redux at April 22, 2018 01:37 PM (Fb9aZ)

221 How often do you get tenure with just a Masters degree?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 22, 2018 01:29 PM (yQpMk)

In jucos, maybe. Otherwise, no.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

I knew some in CE and EE, but they also had real world experience.

Posted by: Jean at April 22, 2018 01:37 PM (MS0+a)

222 216 210 173 sister is a professor with her Phd. A flaming SJW.
She insists that her sibs call her *Dr.*
Posted by: Tonypete at April 22, 2018 12:18 PM (9rIkM)

if you have a Master's you should insist on being addressed as Master.
It's only fair.
Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at April 22, 2018 01:16 PM (hMwEB)

I have a Bachelor's and a I am bachelor.
Posted by: josephistan at April 22, 2018 01:31 PM (ANIFC)

Do people call you Bachelor Josephistan?
Posted by: Surfperch at April 22, 2018 01:35 PM (J7NdS)

It does have a certain pompous desperation. I like it.

Posted by: josephistan at April 22, 2018 01:37 PM (ANIFC)

223 Do people call you Bachelor Josephistan?
=====

How about Spinster? (meaning unmarried)

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 22, 2018 01:38 PM (MIKMs)

224 Classroom teachers do not deserve my rage. They have to deal with children and parents and whatever idiocy comes down from on high.

Administrators, on the other hand, can disappear; and taxpayers are happy, teachers are happy, and maybe some real education that we pay for can occur.
Posted by: mustbequantum at April 22, 2018 01:33 PM (MIKMs)

There are definitely a significant number of teachers who should go far, far away to a place where they can't screw up kids' heads anymore.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 22, 2018 01:38 PM (NWiLs)

225 Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 22, 2018 01:28 PM (GBxj/)

I was thinking of sending him anonymously an injunction written by Francois Fenelon about the necessity of humility, but since he already got a book from me with writings of Fenelon he'd know who it was from. :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 22, 2018 01:39 PM (tpDAe)

226 I liked to be addressed as Master

Posted by: Norman Bates at April 22, 2018 01:39 PM (uO9NM)

227
I have a Bachelor's and a I am bachelor.

Posted by: josephistan at April 22, 2018 01:31 PM (ANIFC)

I graduated High School, where I learned how to get high.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 22, 2018 01:39 PM (oVJmc)

228 Antonin Scalia on Judgment:

It is not a rare phenomenon that what is legal may also be quite irresponsible. That appears in the First Amendment context all the time. What can be said often should not be said. Prof. Reidenberg's exercise is an example of perfectly legal, abominably poor judgment. Since he was not teaching a course in judgment, I presume he felt no responsibility to display any.

And Fresno's Furiosa doesn't teach judgment either.

Posted by: Dyspeptic Curmudgeon at April 22, 2018 01:39 PM (cc1JX)

229 And Sotomayor - while she was already at Princeton! -
told one of her professors that writing in Spanish is easier because
there aren't any adjectives in Spanish. WHILE AT PRINCETON! Yep ...
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 22, 2018 01:07 PM (8gDQu)

Sotomayor is a clown. She is pig ignorant to boot. She has never LOOKED at a Spanish short story, or a Spanish academic paper if she said that.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 22, 2018 01:39 PM (2K6fY)

230
Imagine sending your son or daughter off to a college populated with used-car salesmen using all of their psychological tricks to fool one into believing they were:

so intelligent -- because shopping here on this lot
better then everyone else -- you sure know your way around cars
keep a secret - don't anyone know I gave you this deal

That's what colleges have become. They know what they have to do to keep the money flowing. It's reprehensible, but it's reality.

Then these brainwashed turds escape the used car lot with a neon yellow AMC Gremlin in their heads where their brains should be.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at April 22, 2018 01:40 PM (LOgQ4)

231 http://bit.ly/2Jch68
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Fusion GPS Founders: 'Put Aside Russia Collusion' | Breitbart
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I have a feeling their assholes are so tight, when they fart only dogs can hear it

Posted by: Sorry/ Not Sorry at April 22, 2018 01:41 PM (y3aQB)

232 looking like nothing so much as an angry sow in a barnyard

Trust me, when mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy.

Posted by: Arnold at April 22, 2018 01:41 PM (DMUuz)

233 FenelonSpoke @ 214 --

Virginia Postrel addressed this topic a few years ago. She said that "Doctor" is a form of address now reserved for physicians, dentists and clinical psychologists, and anyone (person or institution) insisting otherwise is compensating for a correctly perceived sense of inferiority.

Posted by: FireHorse at April 22, 2018 01:42 PM (donMa)

234 Got you beat. I got two older sister that are both medical Drs. The one that is 11 years older than me that lived with my dad (my other sister and I were raised by my grandparents) also said she is more comfortable with me calling her Dr. And that's OK because I haven't spoken to that cow in 18 years. Both of them look down on me because I'm a HS dropout, even though I could buy and sell both of them many times over.

Posted by: REDACTED at April 22, 2018 01:42 PM (Ymy4N)

235 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 22, 2018 01:34 PM (tpDAe)

I always referred to my thesis advisor as "Dr. X," out of respect. He never said anything either way, but he was a Nobel Laureate, and in some respects was kind of an academic father figure, so it just seemed appropriate.

OTOH, anyone else who insisted on being referred to as "doctor" would be relentlessly mocked (as in DOCTOR Amy Bishop). The only exception being in the lecture theater, of course, where it is appropriate to maintain some distance from the heaving masses. But there it isn't necessary to insist; it's understood.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 22, 2018 01:43 PM (GBxj/)

236 231 http://bit.ly/2Jch68
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I have a feeling their assholes are so tight, when they fart only dogs can hear it

Posted by: Sorry/ Not Sorry at April 22, 2018 01:41 PM

I am soooo stealing that!

Posted by: Diogenes at April 22, 2018 01:43 PM (0tfLf)

237 Sotomayor is a clown. She is pig ignorant to boot. She has never LOOKED
at a Spanish short story, or a Spanish academic paper if she said that.
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Those of us who grew up in heavily 'hispanic' areas really made very morbid jokes about being illiterate in two languages.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 22, 2018 01:43 PM (MIKMs)

238 Every college classroom should have 24/7 cameras for paying parents and state government legislators to review.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at April 22, 2018 01:43 PM (pw+jk)

239 206 How often do you get tenure with just a Masters degree?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 22, 2018 01:29 PM (yQpMk)
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It used to be that in community colleges you could but, with the glut of PhDs on the market the last couple of decades, it doesn't even happen there.

It boggles the mind.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 22, 2018 01:45 PM (0jtPF)

240 Posted by: Diogenes at April 22, 2018 01:43 PM (0tfLf)
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Go for it

Posted by: Sorry/ Not Sorry at April 22, 2018 01:45 PM (y3aQB)

241 227

I have a Bachelor's and a I am bachelor.

Posted by: josephistan at April 22, 2018 01:31 PM (ANIFC)

I graduated High School, where I learned how to get high.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 22, 2018 01:39 PM (oVJmc)

Don't forget those who got AA or AS degrees should then be referred to as "Associate".

Posted by: jim at April 22, 2018 01:46 PM (gjGvH)

242 It used to be that in community colleges you could but, with the glut of
PhDs on the market the last couple of decades, it doesn't even happen
there.

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Mentioned upthread, engineering (with real experience) and nursing (ditto) do not require PhDs. In fact, I do not think they are common in those disciplines.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 22, 2018 01:48 PM (MIKMs)

243 226 I liked to be addressed as Master
Posted by: Norman Bates at April 22, 2018 01:39 PM (uO9NM)

There was an announcement of a seminar by some guy who was the "Master" (i.e., the head) of a college in Oxford (they go by various titles there), so the announcement read "seminar by Prof. X, Master of Y College, Oxford."

Wags had a field day making the obvious emendation to "Master" on each and every such announcement.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 22, 2018 01:48 PM (GBxj/)

244 236
231 http://bit.ly/2Jch68

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Posted by: Sorry/ Not Sorry at April 22, 2018 01:41 PM

I am soooo stealing that!

Posted by: Diogenes at April 22, 2018 01:43 PM (0tfLf)

Leftist dog whistle?

Posted by: jim at April 22, 2018 01:49 PM (gjGvH)

245
I do remember sitting in a college classroom, as an adult, and hearing the sales pitch from the instructor about how attending college was great, but getting the diploma was all so important, etc. etc. etc. Just attending this prestigious institution is fine but you really need to finish. Yack, yack, yack.

It felt like the Sales Manager was next going to pop into the room with a crisp white shirt and tie, with all the paperwork, get my check, and close the deal.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at April 22, 2018 01:49 PM (LOgQ4)

246 I have children so you can call me Mommy.

Posted by: ALH at April 22, 2018 01:50 PM (YYn2L)

247 Sotomayor is a clown. She is pig ignorant to boot. She has never LOOKED at a Spanish short story, or a Spanish academic paper if she said that.
Posted by: Kindltot at April 22, 2018 01:39 PM (2K6fY)

Hell, she's apparently never looked at graffiti spray-painted on a freeway overpass. Look like adjectives to me.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 22, 2018 01:50 PM (GBxj/)

248 I would read an article that argued the Barbara Bush Foundation is genocide. It would be a hoot. Especially if it was a doctoral thesis. Odds are it already exists.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at April 22, 2018 01:50 PM (e1mEI)

249 and why wouldn't it be, assuming the original recording was consensual?
Posted by: redc1c4 at April 22, 2018 01:28 PM (kCsT4)

Mattel was going to release the Frida Kahlo Barbie, but her relatives have won an injunction against it, saying that the image was not Mattel's to release or profit from.

Though I suppose there is a difference somehow.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 22, 2018 01:51 PM (2K6fY)

250 A kool Barbie idea?

The Mata Hari Barbie.

Posted by: JAS at April 22, 2018 01:53 PM (sCN2W)

251 247 Sotomayor is a clown. She is pig ignorant to boot. She has never LOOKED at a Spanish short story, or a Spanish academic paper if she said that.
Posted by: Kindltot at April 22, 2018 01:39 PM (2K6fY)

fisties

Posted by: REDACTED at April 22, 2018 01:53 PM (Ymy4N)

252 OT: Saw this on People's Cube, about Daily Beast article, "Brain Sex with Hilary Clinton". I can't think of anyone who'd want to have any kind of sexual relationship with that beast, paid or unpaid.

Posted by: jim at April 22, 2018 01:54 PM (gjGvH)

253 The Mata Hari Barbie.

Posted by: JAS at April 22, 2018 01:53 PM (sCN2W)

Mata Hari was pretty hot.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 22, 2018 01:55 PM (2K6fY)

254 Then I guess Sotomayor can't say "wise Latina" in Spanish.

Posted by: bluebell at April 22, 2018 01:56 PM (oMtOd)

255 233
Virginia Postrel addressed this topic a few years ago. She said that "Doctor" is a form of address now reserved for physicians, dentists and clinical psychologists....
Posted by: FireHorse at April 22, 2018 01:42 PM (donMa)
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I'm so old-fashioned that I'm hesitant about the clinical psychos!

There is a distinction between social and professional use, IMO. It is one thing for a French teacher with a PhD to have his students address him as "Dr. Merde." It is quite another for him to use the title with his neighbors, his barber, and his dentist.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 22, 2018 01:57 PM (0jtPF)

256 I was thinking of sending him anonymously an injunction written by Francois Fenelon about the necessity of humility, but since he already got a book from me with writings of Fenelon he'd know who it was from. :^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 22, 2018 01:39 PM (tpDAe)

I assume that a doctorate in ministry would concentrate more on pastoral skills and duties. You'd think that humility would be especially valuable for that. Maybe he should have become an academic theologian instead.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 22, 2018 01:57 PM (/qEW2)

257 254
Then I guess Sotomayor can't say "wise Latina" in Spanish.

Posted by: bluebell at April 22, 2018 01:56 PM (oMtOd)

Does babosa count?

Posted by: jim at April 22, 2018 01:57 PM (gjGvH)

258 252. Anyone so foolish or depraved as to even entertain the notion should realize - Kuru is for Keeps.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 22, 2018 01:57 PM (fA1SL)

259 Mata Hari was pretty hot.

I'd hit it, Chief.

Posted by: Maxwell Smart at April 22, 2018 01:58 PM (Tyii7)

260 Nood. Moar bathroom madness.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 22, 2018 01:58 PM (/qEW2)

261
I was listening to French PM Macron this morning on Fox New Sunday and thinking, this would be Hillary. In charge of a bad economy with Zero ideas on how to fix it, placing a surcharge on retirees income. While in the other hand, handing the unions a bonus check.

Which is what he has done.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at April 22, 2018 01:58 PM (LOgQ4)

262 Does babosa count?
Posted by: jim at April 22, 2018 01:57 PM (gjGvH)
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I had to look it up and it appears to be a noun, so it's good. It's only the adjectives that don't exist. So there is no such thing as a wise babosa in Spanish, apparently.

Posted by: bluebell at April 22, 2018 01:59 PM (oMtOd)

263 I'm so old-fashioned that I'm hesitant about the clinical psychos!

There is a distinction between social and professional use, IMO. It is one thing for a French teacher with a PhD to have his students address him as "Dr. Merde." It is quite another for him to use the title with his neighbors, his barber, and his dentist.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 22, 2018 01:57 PM (0jtPF)

Agree, on all counts.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 22, 2018 02:02 PM (GBxj/)

264 262
Does babosa count?

Posted by: jim at April 22, 2018 01:57 PM (gjGvH)

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I had to look it up and it appears to be a noun, so it's good. It's
only the adjectives that don't exist. So there is no such thing as a
wise babosa in Spanish, apparently.

Posted by: bluebell at April 22, 2018 01:59 PM (oMtOd)

It would also be a bit of an oxymoron, given the uses of the word.

Posted by: jim at April 22, 2018 02:03 PM (gjGvH)

265 How is it possible that 36 million Americans can't read? That's the number claimed over at the Barbara Bush Literacy site.

https://www.barbarabush.org
Posted by: m at April 22, 2018 12:52 PM (ecMDh)

Because the system doesn't permit teachers to fail their students and make them repeat. These kids just get pushed on for the next teacher to deal with and eventually get their diplomas. I worked in two plastic injection molding plants after military retirement and have seen the results firsthand. The same people screw up their paperwork night after night and the molding foremen just cuss and get someone to fix it.

Posted by: Bill R. at April 22, 2018 02:04 PM (IuYIh)

266 Mattel was going to release the Frida Kahlo Barbie, but her relatives have won an injunction against it, saying that the image was not Mattel's to release or profit from.

Though I suppose there is a difference somehow.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 22, 2018 01:51 PM (2K6fY)

Any kid can make their own Frieda Kahlo Barbie.

Just get a magic marker and connect the eyebrows.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 22, 2018 02:05 PM (/qEW2)

267 Does babosa count?
Posted by: jim at April 22, 2018 01:57 PM (gjGvH)

I think you want "Babeando" instead

Posted by: Kindltot at April 22, 2018 02:05 PM (2K6fY)

268 Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 22, 2018 01:57 PM (/qEW2)

It does, and will probably be helpful, but pastoral skills-as in being sensitive to parishioners, while still leading- are not exactly his strong suit.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 22, 2018 02:14 PM (tpDAe)

269 Brad Thor challenges Trump for the 2020 nomination. His entire raison d'être is that Trump is a dumbass. I hope he follows this through (he wont) cause I'm pretty sure Thor will be the new poster boy for dumbass. Guy writes a couple of books and thinks he's equal to the guy who pulled of the greatest upset in American politics. #whadaputzbradthoris
Posted by: pretty sure at April 22, 2018 01:20 PM (Ymy4N)

I now categorize Thor in the "Professional Cuck" class; he made all the right noises to get cash from the Deplorable rubes. Now that Donny Two Scoops shows up, breaking Thor's rice bowl, Thor is suddenly a Concerned Conservative ™ . I predict Thor is going to see a dramatic decrease is sales (pissing off your buyers isn't smart) since Lefties aren't buying his books in the first place.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at April 22, 2018 02:15 PM (5Yee7)

270 >>>254 Then I guess Sotomayor can't say "wise Latina" in Spanish.

Posted by: bluebell at April 22, 2018 01:56 PM (oMtOd)

Good point.

Posted by: m at April 22, 2018 02:23 PM (ecMDh)

271 Dr. Frankenstein went by "Master". Mad scientists are known for inflated egos.

Posted by: Burger Chef at April 22, 2018 02:24 PM (RuIsu)

272 >>>265 How is it possible that 36 million Americans can't read? That's the number claimed over at the Barbara Bush Literacy site.

https://www.barbarabush.org
Posted by: m at April 22, 2018 12:52 PM (ecMDh)

Because the system doesn't permit teachers to fail their students and make them repeat. These kids just get pushed on for the next teacher to deal with and eventually get their diplomas. I worked in two plastic injection molding plants after military retirement and have seen the results firsthand. The same people screw up their paperwork night after night and the molding foremen just cuss and get someone to fix it.
Posted by: Bill R. at April 22, 2018 02:04 PM (IuYIh)

That's very sad.

Posted by: m at April 22, 2018 02:27 PM (ecMDh)

273 In case someone hasn't mentioned Dr. Jill Biden.

Posted by: Infidel at April 22, 2018 02:35 PM (a3OL0)

274 Make Barky the Illegitimacy/Illiteracy/Going to Bed Hungry Czar!

Posted by: Burger Chef at April 22, 2018 02:46 PM (RuIsu)

275 How is it possible that 36 million Americans can't read? That's the number claimed over at the Barbara Bush Literacy site.

It goes back decades when educators abandoned phonics for sight reading. Read (if you can) "Why Johnny Can't Read" by Rudolf Flesch published in 1955. Inherited three kids (5, 12, and 14), and the middle one was failing classes even though she was obviously bright. One day I asked her to spell "oak". Deer caught in headlights look. If she did not recognize a word, she had no idea how to sound it out. After 6 months of working with her on phonics, she went from 47th percentile to 66th in standardized testing. On a good not, the youngest one was introduced to phonics in kindergarten and they are relentless about it. Now 8, he reads for pleasure. The older one still hates reading because of how she was taught.

Posted by: IanDeal at April 22, 2018 02:52 PM (5mrLG)

276
Phonics makes absolutely no sense when one is dealing with the English language.

Posted by: True the Note at April 22, 2018 03:23 PM (HLTe8)

277 What an interesting idea! And, since the Administrative State wants to collect our data, how about we demand webcams in Congressional offices, Congressional homes and Congressional vehicles? And maybe we can extend that to, say, owners of large corporations, like FaceBook and Amazon, and public figures, like the Clintons and the actor/activist-du-jour? If they have done nothing wrong, they have nothing to hide, amirite?

Posted by: TomP at April 22, 2018 04:08 PM (XdroR)

278 94 >>>Man how would you like to be her gynecologists

If she requires more than one,

Run!

Posted by: Fritz at April 22, 2018 12:43 PM

Gonna needa a bigger speculum.
Posted by: Dr Quint Gyn at April 22, 2018 12:47 PM (LOgQ4)

Post hole digger?

Posted by: model_1066 at April 22, 2018 05:41 PM (h8PaX)

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