Monday Overnight Open Thread (4/23/18 )

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The Quotes of The Day

Quote I

“In the face of all of those demands, keeping every detail straight is impossible,” he writes. “I have myself been to meetings after which I could not remember what agency or Department most of the people worked for, or even why they were there. With classified information, it was frequently hard to know who was cleared to see what or what could be discussed with whom. If there is anyone who fully understands our ‘system’ for protecting classified information, I have yet to meet him.” John Bolton

Quote II

“In terms of what happens in 2020, we’re going to wait and see who runs. If I had to make that decision today, I’d be missing the opportunity to find out what they’re going to do for Utah.” Mitt Romney

Quote III

"We have a very difficult — well, our defense is our deterrent capability. We don't have any defense that could deny the employment of such a weapon against us, so our response would be our deterrent force, which would be the triad and the nuclear capabilities that we have to respond to such a threat," U.S. Strategic Command, Air Force Gen. John Hyten

Quote IV

“As far as racism goes, the modern loony left seem to forget that Hitler was leftwing,”Morrissey

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Sometimes lying on your back pays off. Poontronage.

She is brilliant and she is dedicated and she is tough,” said the president of the United States in 2013. “She also happens to be, by far, the best looking attorney general in the country.”
That would be former California Attorney General Kamala Harris, daughter of Indian and Jamaican immigrants, and now the state’s junior U.S. senator. As it happens, Barack Obama was not the first prominent Democrat to be dazzled by the UC Berkeley beauty.

As speaker of the California State Assembly from 1980 to 1995, Willie Brown was by far the Golden State’s most powerful shot-caller. In 1994 Brown, 60, met Kamala Harris, a full 30 years his junior, and she became “the Speaker’s new steady,” Brown’s “girlfriend” and “frequent companion.” The two-year relationship worked out well for Harris.

Actually The ONT doesn't consider her any smarter than any other congress critter. And her public commentary reveals an individual who doesn't study the issues. More than likely a 2020 Dem candidate.

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Big boys and girls no longer allowed to go on nature trip. OMG there is no cell service.

After logging enough miles to hike around the world more than four times, Penn State has decided it's too risky for the campus Outing Club to go on student-led outings.
A risk assessment by the university led to the decision, says a statement on the Outing Club's web page.
The club's outings were deemed to be "above the University's threshold of acceptable risk for recognized student organizations," said the statement.

Nice move ~~Penn~~ Pussy State.

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Spectacular Winners Of The World Press Photo Award 2018 Awesome photos, however some are graphic and may be NSFW.

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I've been to cafes which didn't accept plastic. But now there are cashless restaurants.

If you're craving the Serrano Grilled Shrimp Bowl at the Tender Greens salad chain, don't bother bringing cash.
Tender Greens, with28 restaurants on the East and West coasts, is one of a growing number of eateries that are either shunning cash and only accepting credit and debit cards and contactless payment systems, like Apple Pay, or experimenting with the strategy.
While no one has kept a running count of restaurants adopting the cashless policy, interest is clearly rising. A 2016 Federal Reserve study found the number of non-cash payments — including credit and debit cards — totaled 144 billion in 2015, having grown 5.3% annually between 2012 and 2015

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Police continue to "literally" shoot themselves in the foot.

Largo, Florida police detectives entered a funeral home in Clearwater and attempted to unlock the phone of a man killed in March by another officer at a traffic stop using the deceased man’s hands, the Tampa Bay Times reported.
Victoria Armstrong, the fiance of late Linus F. Phillip, told the paper she felt “so disrespected and violated” after police entered the funeral home she was present at and attempted to use Phillip’s corpse to unlock the device. While the police may not have been violating the law by doing so, Phillip’s family certainly felt the move was disrespectful

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The ONT Musical Interlude

April 23, 1936, Born on this day, American singer-songwriter Roy Orbison "the Big O" who had a 1964 UK & US No.1 single with ‘Pretty Woman’ plus over 20 US & 30 UK Top 40 singles including 'Only the Lonely' (1960), 'Running Scared' (1961) and 'Crying'. With the Traveling Wilburys he had a 1988 UK hit single ‘Handle With Care’. Orbison died of a heart attack on 6 December 1988. via thisdayinmusic.com

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April 23, 1971, The Rolling Stones released their classic album Sticky Fingers in the UK. The band's first release on their own label via Atlantic Records, the cover was designed by Andy Warhol, who was paid $15,000 for his efforts. The LP sleeve featured a close-up of a pair of jeans with a working zip. Widely assumed to be that of Mick Jagger, the crotch photographed for the cover was actually that of actor Joe Dallesandro. via thisdayinmusic.com

I still have my copy.

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The ONT has covered Universal Basic Income (UBI) before. The Horde being the top notch economists that they are said, "It isn't going to work, what are you f*cking nuts? Of course the Horde was right.

Business Insider Nordic reports that this is such a bad idea that when Finland actually tried it, the failure was obvious so quickly that the experiment was terminated.

It's all fun and games until you run out of other people's money.

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Falling into the category of This day in history. h/t Isophorone

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Outsourcing your sexual needs to a different town is our Genius Award Winner.

State police have arrested Bloomsburg’s mayor on charges of soliciting and patronizing a prostitute.
Police allege that 36-year-old Eric Bower had sex with a confidential informant for money several times, most recently in early April. They allege the two agreed to meet at a Hampton Inn just outside town, and Bower showed up Friday with $200 in cash plus condoms.
Bower was arraigned Friday night by video on misdemeanor charges, including criminal solicitation and patronizing prostitutes.

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Homeless vet runs across a group of people who really helped him out. Tonight's Feel Good Story of The Day.

U.S. Air Force veteran Michael Malone inherited his childhood home from his mother after she died, but the house was in desperate need of repairs. He didn't have a way to pay for them and wound up living in a facility for homeless veterans.

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Tonight's ONT has been brought to you by The Club.

Notice: Posted with permission by AceCorp, LLC. Not responsible for under-cooked products. Beaver is not on the menu.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at 10:28 PM

Comments

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1 Fisked

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Not Woke atall at April 23, 2018 10:20 PM (roQNm)

2 hi

Posted by: ALH at April 23, 2018 10:21 PM (Lh6Rk)

3 Oh, praise the Lord!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 23, 2018 10:21 PM (IEVqH)

4 Firstish

Posted by: Cheriebebe at April 23, 2018 10:21 PM (DAdSz)

5 Heh, now to read the contenet

Posted by: Cheriebebe at April 23, 2018 10:21 PM (DAdSz)

6 shapoopie!

Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at April 23, 2018 10:21 PM (H5knJ)

7 While leftists are screaming and tearing down statues, perhaps we can take a moment and remember when the North and the South, who had just fought, were still brothers.

https://tinyurl.com/y93o7rvu

Posted by: Zaklog the Great at April 23, 2018 10:21 PM (0IPOw)

8 Almost foist!

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 10:22 PM (eMKNe)

9 The kidnappers have released the ONT!

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 23, 2018 10:22 PM (pvjTE)

10 It's about time! I been paddling back and forth, back and forth.

Posted by: Castor Canadensis at April 23, 2018 10:23 PM (w+Jhj)

11 MisHum, here's a pic you can use in a future ONT.

I wonder if they can get rid of the 'old person' smell?

https://tinyurl.com/ycr55lk9

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 10:23 PM (eMKNe)

12 Well, the Large Hadron Collider thing could still happen, anyway.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 23, 2018 10:23 PM (IEVqH)

13 Just had buterbrod of onion and cheese on black bread. I lament the carbs but regret nothing.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 23, 2018 10:23 PM (fA1SL)

14 Nice evening for an ONT. Thank you, MH, for putting this together for us.

Posted by: ALH at April 23, 2018 10:24 PM (Lh6Rk)

15 between the apostrophe, the auto cucumber and fighting with this farking ipad I miss getting to comment. Imma gonna have to bust out the laptop

Posted by: Cheriebebe at April 23, 2018 10:24 PM (DAdSz)

16 Mitt Romney can fold it and ram it right up his ass.

Posted by: rickl at April 23, 2018 10:24 PM (sdi6R)

17 Top 25?

Posted by: Surfperch at April 23, 2018 10:25 PM (HRTU/)

18 I like that picture. I liked it when it was used before.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 23, 2018 10:25 PM (hyuyC)

19 14 Nice evening for an ONT. Thank you, MH, for putting this together for us.
Posted by: ALH at April 23, 2018 10:24 PM (Lh6Rk)

You're welcome, ALH

Posted by: Bill Kristol & David Frum at April 23, 2018 10:25 PM (3Pma+)

20 18 I like that picture. I liked it when it was used before.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 23, 2018 10:25 PM (hyuyC)

Damn!
I used that before?
Sorry

Posted by: Bill Kristol & David Frum at April 23, 2018 10:25 PM (3Pma+)

21 Top 1000!

Bitchez

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at April 23, 2018 10:26 PM (8iiMU)

22 Off kristol and frum sock

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2018 10:26 PM (3Pma+)

23 Yes!

Posted by: Mrs. Leggy at April 23, 2018 10:26 PM (g32Cf)

24 "As far as racism goes, the modern loony left seem to forget that Hitler was leftwing," Morrissey

Daaayum.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 23, 2018 10:26 PM (NWiLs)

25 Hey rickl!

Glad you're here, I wanted to tell you there's a question at Quora, "which rock stars are the biggest jerks?", and Bob Dylan is the star of one of the answers. Supposedly Dylan won't allow his employees to speak to or even look at him, and he's also gotten in trouble with theater unions for insisting on having all his own crew on his shows instead of the techs already employed at most venues.

Have you ever heard anything similar, or contrary to these claims?

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 10:26 PM (eMKNe)

26 After logging enough miles to hike around the world more than four times, Penn State has decided it's too risky for the campus Outing Club to go on student-led outings.

In fairness they're probably concerned about pedophilia going on.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 23, 2018 10:27 PM (+lVUW)

27 Nice ONT, took a while to get here though, thought it might have gotten dammed up someplace.

Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz at April 23, 2018 10:27 PM (nWc4E)

28 18 I like that picture. I liked it when it was used before.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 23, 2018 10:25 PM (hyuyC)

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It's like wearing the same shirt two dates in a row.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 23, 2018 10:27 PM (IEVqH)

29
Damn!
I used that before?
Sorry
Posted by: Bill Kristol & David Frum at April 23, 2018 10:25 PM (3Pma+)

Time to change your socks?

Posted by: ALH at April 23, 2018 10:27 PM (Lh6Rk)

30 I saw a guy in a bar wearing a T-shirt that had LGBT on it. Underneath each letter was an image. Lady Liberty. A gun. A beer. Trump.

I cried.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at April 23, 2018 10:27 PM (+Tibp)

31 Other rockstars claimed to be dickheads:

- Ted Nugent (of course)
- Gene Simmons (who was banned from Fox News)
- Dave Mustaine (also read he's now a born-again Christian)
- Lou Reed
- Ginger Baker (duh, even I knew that)

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 10:28 PM (eMKNe)

32

Yo Hoarders, back from downrange, again, sound in neither mind nor body but glad to be back in the land of toilet paper and ice cubes. Funny what the little things are that make you happy.

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at April 23, 2018 10:28 PM (UFLLM)

33 Good night all.

Work those Plan Bs. We may need them. And remember -- OPSEC, OPSEC, OPSEC.

Head on a swivel and have a SECDEF Mattis plan.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 23, 2018 10:28 PM (hyuyC)

34 Good evening!

Time for me to crack a beer, and laugh my ass off for a while.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 23, 2018 10:28 PM (UiRxW)

35 So is Mitt (what are they going to do for Utah) leaving the door open for supporting McMuffin in 2020?

Posted by: redridinghood at April 23, 2018 10:28 PM (PvFoN)

36 Love that song by Roy Orbison. He had a great voice, full of emotion.

Posted by: ALH at April 23, 2018 10:29 PM (Lh6Rk)

37 Other rockstars claimed to be dickheads:

- Ted Nugent (of course)
- Gene Simmons (who was banned from Fox News)
- Dave Mustaine (also read he's now a born-again Christian)
- Lou Reed
- Ginger Baker (duh, even I knew that)
Posted by: qdpsteve

I've also read that Van Morrison, whom I really like, is kind of a dick.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at April 23, 2018 10:29 PM (+Tibp)

38 ONT Greetings, Horde!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 23, 2018 10:30 PM (QzJWU)

39 35 So is Mitt (what are they going to do for Utah) leaving the door open for supporting McMuffin in 2020?
Posted by: redridinghood at April 23, 2018 10:28 PM (PvFoN)

One could say...

Posted by: McMuffin/Romney 2020 at April 23, 2018 10:30 PM (HRTU/)

40 25 Hey rickl!

Glad you're here, I wanted to tell you there's a question at Quora, "which rock stars are the biggest jerks?", and Bob Dylan is the star of one of the answers. Supposedly Dylan won't allow his employees to speak to or even look at him, and he's also gotten in trouble with theater unions for insisting on having all his own crew on his shows instead of the techs already employed at most venues.

Have you ever heard anything similar, or contrary to these claims?
Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 10:26 PM (eMKNe)

I actually have heard some things along those lines, but I don't know any more than you do.

Posted by: rickl at April 23, 2018 10:30 PM (sdi6R)

41 Blutarski, Van is also listed. One entry at Quora said he can really be a jerk to fans.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 10:30 PM (eMKNe)

42 The ONT has covered Universal Basic Income (UBI) before. The Horde being the top notch economists that they are said, "It isn't going to work, what are you f*cking nuts? Of course the Horde was right.

Duh. It probably took people about 5 minutes to figure out that there is no need to get up at 6 in the morning, go out and scrape the snow and ice off your car, and spend all day working. Just sit on your lazy ass and get that UBI.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 23, 2018 10:31 PM (+lVUW)

43 Greetings Jim!

Posted by: Surfperch at April 23, 2018 10:31 PM (HRTU/)

44 Romney very much wants to run for president in 2020. A billionaire of his age running for Senate can only be viewed as a resume enhancement.

Posted by: Octopussy at April 23, 2018 10:31 PM (vJAQ0)

45 rickl, fair enough.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 10:31 PM (eMKNe)

46 Thanks for the ONT. Some of the 'rons were starting to look a bit gray and shaky.

Bolton seems to have a solid head on his shoulders. I wonder if the 'stache aids in that?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at April 23, 2018 10:32 PM (sCUYC)

47 Holy Content, Batman!!

Thanks, MisHum!

I have a problem with the cashless restaurant (and now airplanes and toll booths): MY money says:

"This note is legal tender for all debts public and private."

I don't see how it's legal to refuse it.

Posted by: ibguy at April 23, 2018 10:32 PM (vUcdz)

48 42 The ONT has covered Universal Basic Income (UBI) before. The Horde being the top notch economists that they are said, "It isn't going to work, what are you f*cking nuts? Of course the Horde was right.

Duh. It probably took people about 5 minutes to figure out that there is no need to get up at 6 in the morning, go out and scrape the snow and ice off your car, and spend all day working. Just sit on your lazy ass and get that UBI.
Posted by: nerdygirl

In other words, lazy ass freeloaders are smarter than liberal policy makers.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 23, 2018 10:32 PM (+lVUW)

49 The picture from a story shows Veronica, 28, as she massages the breasts of her 10-year-old daughter, Michelle, as her other children watch in Bafoussam, Cameroon, 07 November 2016. Veronica started to iron Michelle's breasts seven months before this image was taken.

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Two things: WTF is breast ironing and why? Secondly, that is quite the rack for a 10 yo. She's also pretty tall, looks like if she straightened up, she'd be taller than the mother. I think the description is wrong. There is a young girl, looks like 10, looking on.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 23, 2018 10:32 PM (pvjTE)

50 Mitt vs Kamala

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 23, 2018 10:32 PM (IqV8l)

51 Add John Mellencamp to the list.

I've never met him, but I've worked with people who have, and they all say there's a reason his nickname is "Little Bastard".

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at April 23, 2018 10:33 PM (rJUlF)

52 Mitt's trying to avoid beclowning himself by endorsing a candidate that he very publicly attempted to railroad not two years ago. As if his groveling, ring-kissing act when he thought he could be SecState didn't achieve that already.

Once he's elected, he'll kiss the ring again. It's all he knows.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 23, 2018 10:33 PM (UiRxW)

53 Night NaCly Dog.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at April 23, 2018 10:33 PM (sCUYC)

54 There are three kinds of rock stars: Dicks, Pussies, and Assholes.

Posted by: davidt at April 23, 2018 10:33 PM (djCea)

55 >.>. 30. I want, nay, I NEED a shirt like that. I would walk around in Whole Foods until they had me arrested!!

Posted by: Cheriebebe at April 23, 2018 10:34 PM (DAdSz)

56 Based Morrissey is best Morrisey.

And Disintegration was his best album. Pictures of You.....memories.

https://youtu.be/X8UR2TFUp8w

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 23, 2018 10:34 PM (fA1SL)

57 Captain Whitebread, I forgot to put him in the above list. Mellencamp is also mentioned by more than one person to be a complete asshole.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 10:34 PM (eMKNe)

58 There ain't no torture you can find in the woods around Penn State worse than what Prof. Michael Mann hasn't already performed upon climate data.

Hallo, morons.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at April 23, 2018 10:34 PM (6FqZa)

59 re cashless restaurants: don't those Federal Reserve notes say "legal tender for all debts public and private"? I wonder if a cop would be willing to arrest someone for wanting to pay cash.

or maybe it's a way to keep out the undesirables who don't have debit cards or credit cards, like, you know, certain minority folk

Posted by: mallfly the Georgia Peach at April 23, 2018 10:35 PM (KxbBq)

60 I wouldn't hold it against Dylan if he were something of a dick. Sycophants and loonies have been trying to get a piece of him since fucking 1963. So I'm sure his guard is up.
On the other hand, Ive read anecdotes where he was very friendly towards fans. So who knows?

Posted by: JoeF. at April 23, 2018 10:35 PM (mc8++)

61 49 The picture from a story shows Veronica, 28, as she massages the breasts of her 10-year-old daughter, Michelle, as her other children watch in Bafoussam, Cameroon, 07 November 2016. Veronica started to iron Michelle's breasts seven months before this image was taken.

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Two things: WTF is breast ironing and why? Secondly, that is quite the rack for a 10 yo. She's also pretty tall, looks like if she straightened up, she'd be taller than the mother. I think the description is wrong. There is a young girl, looks like 10, looking on.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 23, 2018 10:32 PM (pvjTE)

I perked up when I saw 'Breast Massage'. then started running when I saw '10 year old.'

That's just evil, Mous.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at April 23, 2018 10:35 PM (sCUYC)

62 I try hard not to freak out whenever Kamala is mentioned on the blog. Got to try harder.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at April 23, 2018 10:35 PM (EZebt)

63

Glad you're here, I wanted to tell you there's a question at Quora, "which rock stars are the biggest jerks?", and Bob Dylan is the star of one of the answers. Supposedly Dylan won't allow his employees to speak to or even look at him, and he's also gotten in trouble with theater unions for insisting on having all his own crew on his shows instead of the techs already employed at most venues.

Yeah, guess what ain't gonna be happenin', you out-of-tune prima donna. You ain't no better than I am, so get off your high horse.

Homey don't play that shit.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at April 23, 2018 10:36 PM (GdWl+)

64 Have you ever heard anything similar, or contrary to these claims?
Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 10:26 PM (eMKNe)

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McCartney. Bar none. He is a vegan, and insists that the the temp local union crews not eat meat while setting and running his shows. He even tours local McDs, Wendy's, and Burger Kings looking for them at breaks.

What an asshole. These dudes bust their ass for 18 hours a day to make this shitstain's shows happen. They need protein.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at April 23, 2018 10:36 PM (NIRP2)

65 JoeF., I've read it's not uncommon for celebs to be great to their fans, but horrible to the people they work with.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 10:36 PM (eMKNe)

66 Ironically, the leftists do have a *small* point arguing Morrissey on that.

But it's because the left and the right in Europe are mainly both socialists. So (as the current terminology goes) "ethno-nationalist" socialists are on the right (but not the entire right) in Europe.

The only socialists on the right in America are the Communitarians, and they're kinda-sorta either.

On the other hand, as we've learned through history, as lame as claiming superiority because someone who looks like you did cool shit is, it looks like the "socialist" part that racks up the mass graves, whether it's Germany or Russia or China or wherever.

So Morrisey kind of has a point, too.

It would be stronger in the US, though.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 23, 2018 10:37 PM (FDnQi)

67 Have fun ya'll.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at April 23, 2018 10:37 PM (w+Jhj)

68 McCartney. Bar none. He is a vegan, and insists that the the temp local union crews not eat meat while setting and running his shows. He even tours local McDs, Wendy's, and Burger Kings looking for them at breaks.

What an asshole. These dudes bust their ass for 18 hours a day to make this shitstain's shows happen. They need protein.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at April 23, 2018 10:36 PM (NIRP2)

Sounds like he has way too much time on his hands.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at April 23, 2018 10:37 PM (sCUYC)

69 thank you Zaklog the Great. I enjoyed your recitation and your interpretation.

you have a real gift.

Posted by: booknlass at April 23, 2018 10:37 PM (xGMkv)

70 I wish Mitt Romney could suffer the same fate as Joesph Smith.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 23, 2018 10:37 PM (/qEW2)

71 56, uhm Disintegration is an album by The Cure. The confusion is that Robert SMITH is the leader of that band, while Morrissey's old band was called The SMITHS

Posted by: JoeF. at April 23, 2018 10:37 PM (mc8++)

72 Calm Mentor, McCartney's not listed in the Quora piece, but I've read here about his militant veganism. Yeah, not a nice guy.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 10:37 PM (eMKNe)

73 Dammit. Should have used the Styx sock. Did not think of it until after I hit 'post'.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at April 23, 2018 10:38 PM (sCUYC)

74 No matter how much I may have come to agree with some of Mr. Morrissey 's views, the Warlock Pinches are still right:

https://g.co/kgs/uoJpF9

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 23, 2018 10:38 PM (UiRxW)

75 71. I blame the carbs.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 23, 2018 10:38 PM (fA1SL)

76 Aetius, I've heard it's easy to get Sir Paul to go away.

"Mr. McCartney, I love you and your music! Here, have a burger on the house!!" ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 10:38 PM (eMKNe)

77 71, what Mitt should have 56 wives?

Posted by: JoeF. at April 23, 2018 10:38 PM (mc8++)

78 I like looking at houses for sale on the internet. There is an 1850's mansion for sale in Talbott County that is absolutely stunning. I'm clocking through the pictures and in one of the rooms is a TRUMP flag. Total Cool.

Posted by: ALH at April 23, 2018 10:39 PM (Lh6Rk)

79 45 rickl, fair enough.
Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 10:31 PM (eMKNe)

On the other hand, I've read some stories about him acknowledging fans with a nod and a wink if they don't make a big show about recognizing him in public.

Posted by: rickl at April 23, 2018 10:39 PM (sdi6R)

80
I was just reading. Bush the Elder has sepsis, it said. Further, he's responding to treatment, they said.

I figured the old man wouldn't be too long for this world without Barbara.

Posted by: publius, the Persistently Priapic Poperin Pear at April 23, 2018 10:39 PM (8O3HH)

81 I'd love to see a debate between Mitt and Kamela.

Mitt's hardly a mental giant, but he would crush Kamela under his heel.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 10:39 PM (eMKNe)

82 After logging enough miles to hike around the world more than four
times, Penn State has decided it's too risky for the campus Outing Club
to go on student-led outings.

Penn State logged miles? Which building did the hiking?

Posted by: mallfly the Georgia Peach at April 23, 2018 10:39 PM (KxbBq)

83 71 56, uhm Disintegration is an album by The Cure. The confusion is that Robert SMITH is the leader of that band, while Morrissey's old band was called The SMITHS
Posted by: JoeF. at April 23, 2018 10:37 PM (mc8++)

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Where does Patty Smyth fit into all this?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 23, 2018 10:40 PM (IEVqH)

84 rickl, I can understand that 100%.
I've read David Bowie was the same way.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 10:40 PM (eMKNe)

85 25 Hey rickl!

Glad you're here, I wanted to tell you there's a question at Quora, "which rock stars are the biggest jerks?", and Bob Dylan is the star of one of the answers. Supposedly Dylan won't allow his employees to speak to or even look at him, and he's also gotten in trouble with theater unions for insisting on having all his own crew on his shows instead of the techs already employed at most venues.

Have you ever heard anything similar, or contrary to these claims?
Posted by: qdpsteve

I don't know how it is in venues that have concerts, but the union rules in some areas where conventions are held are outrageous. My brother has had booths at conventions where he had to pay outrageous union fees for simple things that he could easily handle himself. IIRC this occurred in Las Vegas, but I'm not sure.
Also, I can see where an artist might want his own people to handle certain aspects of his concert.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 23, 2018 10:40 PM (+lVUW)

86 >> daughter of Indian and Jamaican immigrants,
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Indian dot, not feather?

So she's NOT another specimen of another wymyn Afro-American racially privileged super special protected reparations class at all!!1!!?

Just how 'black' must you be to demand reparations, anyway? Especially if your parents aren't born here?!

Posted by: Morton at April 23, 2018 10:40 PM (Q1ilH)

87 or maybe it's a way to keep out the undesirables who don't have debit cards or credit cards, like, you know, certain minority folk

Posted by: mallfly the Georgia Peach at April 23, 2018 10:35 PM (KxbBq)

Well, it could also be to protect staff by not having them carry cash to the bank, and/or get a rep for not having cash to reduce the chance of the place being robbed, especially if it's not in a nice neighborhood.

It does raise the question of how "all" the "all debts public and private" are.

The again, the SS card used to say "not for use as identification."

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 23, 2018 10:40 PM (FDnQi)

88 McCartney's an asshole about being a vegan, but I doubt he wastes his time scouring local burger joints looking for crew members. He probably wouldn't go near those places.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 23, 2018 10:41 PM (mc8++)

89 Hi Jim! How do you like those crafts up top there?

Posted by: booknlass at April 23, 2018 10:41 PM (xGMkv)

90 I perked up when I saw 'Breast Massage'. then started running when I saw '10 year old.'

That's just evil, Mous.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at April 23, 2018 10:35 PM (sCUYC)

++++

The pic I was referring to is in the link of photo awards. But, like I said, no way is that girl 10. The description has to be wrong.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 23, 2018 10:41 PM (pvjTE)

91 Qdp,

Is there anyone you don't think is an asshole?

Posted by: King syrup at April 23, 2018 10:41 PM (PisyI)

92 nerdygirl, hmmm

Lord knows union rules aren't always... rooted in real life...

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 10:41 PM (eMKNe)

93 King syrup, of course.

Me, for instance. ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 10:41 PM (eMKNe)

94 81 I'd love to see a debate between Mitt and Kamela.

Mitt's hardly a mental giant, but he would crush Kamela under his heel.
Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 10:39 PM (eMKNe)

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Mittens would be so chivalrous and PC he'd lie down, roll over and let Kamala ram her shoe up his ass.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 23, 2018 10:41 PM (IEVqH)

95 Bon Soir Moranes.

Posted by: eleven at April 23, 2018 10:42 PM (+lOpA)

96 Wrong

Posted by: King syrup at April 23, 2018 10:42 PM (PisyI)

97 Clip on Laura I show of Maxine Waters making an ass of herself on TV last year.

Posted by: mallfly the Georgia Peach at April 23, 2018 10:42 PM (KxbBq)

98 JoeF., I've read McCartney actually sends assistants to those places.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 10:42 PM (eMKNe)

99 > "She also happens to be, by far, the best looking attorney general in the country."

Meh. She was semi-hot when she was in her twenties. Now, without a couple of hours of makeup and special photographic lighting? Not so much.

Reminder: an anagram for "Kamala Harris" is "Malaria Shark".

Posted by: Anagram Nation at April 23, 2018 10:42 PM (Q7M5N)

100

Mitt's hardly a mental giant, but he would crush Kamela under his heel.

Yeah, just like he stood up to SCOAMF in that second preezy debate where he folded like a cheap lawn chair.

Guess what else ain't happenin'? She'd mop the floor with him.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at April 23, 2018 10:42 PM (GdWl+)

101 Van Morrison acts like he hates his fans. I can attest.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at April 23, 2018 10:42 PM (+Tibp)

102 I don't know how it is in venues that have concerts, but the union rules in some areas where conventions are held are outrageous. My brother has had booths at conventions where he had to pay outrageous union fees for simple things that he could easily handle himself. IIRC this occurred in Las Vegas, but I'm not sure.
Also, I can see where an artist might want his own people to handle certain aspects of his concert.
Posted by: nerdygirl at April 23, 2018 10:40 PM (+lVUW)

In the west, Vegas is bad but San Francisco is the worst.

Posted by: DR.WTF? at April 23, 2018 10:43 PM (T71PA)

103 Nerdygirl that*s Chicago. They blame the weather but it*s really the union shakedowns that chased the conventions away. It was truly astounding the shit they pulled.

Posted by: Cheriebebe at April 23, 2018 10:43 PM (DAdSz)

104

Having lived and worked around the world in both upscale and shithole locations, and having been downrange twice since the first of the year, some observations:

- The entire rest of the world thinks America has gone fucking nuts re: SJW and radical progtards. Commies, Socialists and Eurotrash included. Note most of them are much more discriminatory than the average American, despite what they claim. Most of them hate joos, gays, mud people and immigrants despite what lip service is paid by their leaders.
- They still want to come here 'cause stuff, but do not want to integrate 'cause American society is too sick
- Global elites want America, or the American Republic, destroyed 'cause power and envy
- Most people in the world have no interest in any of the above and are simply interested in a) making more money to buy better stuff, and b) fucking.

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at April 23, 2018 10:43 PM (UFLLM)

105 Mittens would be so chivalrous and PC he'd lie down, roll over and let Kamala ram her shoe up his ass.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 23, 2018 10:41 PM (IEVqH)

Absolutely. He's of the NeverTrump elite lie down class.

Posted by: eleven at April 23, 2018 10:43 PM (+lOpA)

106
How & Dee!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 23, 2018 10:43 PM (pNxlR)

107 I thought that Mitt Romney lived in La Jolla.

Posted by: JAS at April 23, 2018 10:43 PM (sCN2W)

108
Add John Mellencamp to the list.

I've never met him, but I've worked with people who have, and they all say there's a reason his nickname is "Little Bastard".
Posted by: Captain Whitebread at April 23, 2018 10:33 PM (rJUlF)

Who?

I think you mean Johnny Cougar.

(Fuck him, apparently he hates that name. It's only the name he got famous with....)

He also doesn't believe that the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor in '41. That came out in an interview with Charlie Rose, and even Rose had to do a double-take.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 23, 2018 10:43 PM (eXA4G)

109 Blutarski, I've heard it pisses Van Morrison off when fans request to hear "Brown-Eyed Girl," because he personally hates the song.

I bet Van doesn't refuse to cash the royalty checks, though...

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 10:44 PM (eMKNe)

110 Van Morrison is still extant?

Posted by: eleven at April 23, 2018 10:44 PM (+lOpA)

111 I've been ironing my breasts for years with with extra starch.

Posted by: Stormy Daniels at April 23, 2018 10:44 PM (nWc4E)

112 My 8th grade algebra teacher, Mr. Rivedal, told us that the day would come when we would pay for everything with a little plastic card and we did not believe him. Wonder if he's still alive and what he thinks about Apple Pay.
Don't even need a card.

Posted by: ALH at April 23, 2018 10:44 PM (Lh6Rk)

113 Kamala Harris is an idiot but she is vicious. She will shred Mitt. She needs someone like Trump. One who won't give a rats ass she is a woman or a 'minority'.

Posted by: IC at April 23, 2018 10:45 PM (gcme+)

114 McCartney's an asshole about being a vegan, but I doubt he wastes his time scouring local burger joints looking for crew members. He probably wouldn't go near those places.
Posted by: JoeF. at April 23, 2018 10:41 PM (mc8++)

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I am retired as a temp/local labor manager for concert hands. Yes, he does. He is that big of an asshole.

Happened in multiple cities, not just one time.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at April 23, 2018 10:45 PM (NIRP2)

115
Mitt's hardly a mental giant, but he would crush Kamela under his heel.
Posted by: qdpsteve

Didn't they say the same about Ryan vs Biden?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 23, 2018 10:45 PM (IqV8l)

116
Kamela: She Puts Out!

Now there's a winning campaign slogan.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 23, 2018 10:45 PM (pNxlR)

117 eleven, not only that, Van's still recording and releasing albums every year.

He's kind of the Woody Allen of rock though, in that it's always the exact same people buying them and going to see him in concert. I doubt he's brought on any new fans in years.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 10:45 PM (eMKNe)

118 81 I'd love to see a debate between Mitt and Kamela.

Mitt's hardly a mental giant, but he would crush Kamela under his heel.
Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 10:39 PM (eMKNe)

I wouldn't want to bet my life savings on that. He didn't exactly crush Obama under his heel in 2012.

Posted by: rickl at April 23, 2018 10:46 PM (sdi6R)

119 Van Morrison is still extant?
Posted by: eleven

Yep. And still really good. But Dayam that man is ugly.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at April 23, 2018 10:46 PM (+Tibp)

120 Calm Mentor, McCartney *himself* cases the local fast food joints?!?!? Really?

Okay, that's a weird hobby.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 10:46 PM (eMKNe)

121 qdpsteve.......I have good word that Rod Stewart is even worse

Posted by: westminsterdogshow........GNAMM ette at April 23, 2018 10:47 PM (mMeIQ)

122 For the record I was trying to put down Kamela with my above comment, not praise Mitt :-P

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 10:47 PM (eMKNe)

123 I think you mean Johnny Cougar.

(Fuck him, apparently he hates that name. It's only the name he got famous with....)

He also doesn't believe that the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor in '41. That came out in an interview with Charlie Rose, and even Rose had to do a double-take.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 23, 2018 10:43 PM (eXA4G)

It was the Germans.

Posted by: Senator John Blutarsky at April 23, 2018 10:47 PM (ANIFC)

124 "Tender Greens, with28 restaurants on the East and West coasts, is one of a growing number of eateries that are either shunning cash and only accepting credit and debit cards and contactless payment systems, like Apple Pay, or experimenting with the strategy."

One place that won't see a dime of my money.

Posted by: Deacon Bleau at April 23, 2018 10:47 PM (yScAF)

125 vestminsterdogshow, I've heard Rod has good days and bad days.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 10:47 PM (eMKNe)

126 114, that's fucked up......

Posted by: JoeF. at April 23, 2018 10:48 PM (mc8++)

127
The club's outings were deemed to be "above the University's threshold of acceptable risk for recognized student organizations," said the statement.

Substituting "Sandusky Soirees" for the now-forbidden outings then, are we, to keep the wild side on their plates?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 23, 2018 10:48 PM (pNxlR)

128 I missed the earlier threads - of all the Rock songs to pick to criticize, I cannot believe Jonah dug up "Bungle in the Jungle". Good god, what a dweeb.

besides, I always liked the line "he who made kittens put snakes in the grass".

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 23, 2018 10:48 PM (V2Yro)

129 So, the former Governor of Massholia is now a Utah resident in good standing?

Just doesn't seem to be a wide open spaces kind of guy. And if someone were to refer to him as the Southbound end of a Northbound horse, I don't think he'd even realize the insult there.

Someone in Teh Horde needs to work up a killer "campaign poster", with ol' Mitt all Duded-up in full Carpetbagger regalia.

I'll leave it to the ONT to come up with the "just right" trite saying or slogan to put on the poster.

Done right, it's could be an artwork that'd torpedo his chances.

But to do that, it's gotta be full of mirth, snark, wit, absolutely *on target* sarcasm and ... it... has... to...burn!

I'm thinking a format like a 1940s Movie Poster.

I can visualize it a bit, but lack the software and skills to bring it about.

So, over to you, Horde!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 23, 2018 10:48 PM (QzJWU)

130 He also doesn't believe that the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor in '41. That came out in an interview with Charlie Rose, and even Rose had to do a double-take.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 23, 2018 10:43 PM (eXA4G)

Huh. A December 7th truther. There have always been out there, but they used to shut the hell up or get a boot up their ass.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at April 23, 2018 10:49 PM (sCUYC)

131 114, that's fucked up......
Posted by: JoeF. at April 23, 2018 10:48 PM (mc8++)

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Fucked up, but now confirmed.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 23, 2018 10:49 PM (IEVqH)

132 There was a great bit in an episode of Everybody Loves Raymond about Bungle In The Jungle.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 10:49 PM (eMKNe)

133 Breast ironing, also known as breast flattening, is the pounding and massaging of a pubescent girl's breasts, using hard or heated objects, to try to make them stop developing or disappear. It is typically carried out by the girl's mother who will say she is trying to protect the girl from sexual harassment and rape, to prevent early pregnancy that would tarnish the family name, or to allow the girl to pursue education rather than be forced into early marriage. It is mostly practiced in parts of Cameroon, where boys and men may think that girls whose breasts have begun to grow are ready for sex. Some reports suggest that it has spread to the Cameroonian diaspora, for example to that in Britain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breast_ironing

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 23, 2018 10:49 PM (pvjTE)

134 I've heard Sting is a pretty huge douche.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 23, 2018 10:49 PM (UiRxW)

135

I've heard good stories about Steven Tyler. He's nice to everyone and always makes time for fans.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at April 23, 2018 10:49 PM (GdWl+)

136 jesus christ, that photo essay had a lot of hand wringing "right wingers are scary" photos but nothing about the various leftwing atrocities and scaries out there.

The dallas shooter
the Scalise shooter
the masked antifa goons
etc

Posted by: Kuhyt at April 23, 2018 10:49 PM (Kuhyt)

137 white house .com has a lovely short vid of FLOTUS preparing the WH for the French First Couple's visit., then CT has an amusing one of the two presidents ceremonially planting a French tree on the grounds.

the second one has a weird blip blip blip blip blip sound

Posted by: booknlass at April 23, 2018 10:50 PM (xGMkv)

138
Bad back spasms this evening. Pain.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 23, 2018 10:50 PM (ajfue)

139 BackwardsBoy, I've heard good things about Steven Tyler too.

Yup, Sting is also mentioned in the Quora responses. So is Ian Anderson.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 10:50 PM (eMKNe)

140 OK, I won't bring up the b-word, although that night, I dreamt of muskrats swimming around.

Instead, I will mention polar bears which seem to be the pet of choice of the people who,now live in my childhood home. At least, according to the dreams I had last night. Which were peopled with polar bears. In my old backyard.

They were very nice bears.

Posted by: LadyTheo at April 23, 2018 10:50 PM (X+6iw)

141 NBA refs are the worst of all major league sports. And Ricky Rubio dives like a European soccer player.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at April 23, 2018 10:51 PM (+Tibp)

142 Rural restaurants in scenic spots, those for which a drive to the bank is a fifty mile over-the-pass trip, go credit card only, for an obvious reason.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at April 23, 2018 10:51 PM (rpA/5)

143 It's pathetic that Mittens is a shoe-in as Senator from the great state of Utah.

#CultOverCountry

Posted by: ShainS at April 23, 2018 10:51 PM (BiLU+)

144 It would have worked, if only Finland had given them more money...I'm sure.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 23, 2018 10:51 PM (QxXRY)

145
Tender Greens, with28 restaurants on the East and West coasts, is one of a growing number of eateries that are either shunning cash

Do they accept Mark of the Beast?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 23, 2018 10:51 PM (IqV8l)

146 32

Yo Hoarders, back from downrange, again, sound in neither mind nor body but glad to be back in the land of toilet paper and ice cubes. Funny what the little things are that make you happy.
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at April 23, 2018 10:28 PM (UFLLM)

A porcelain crap is way underrated.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at April 23, 2018 10:51 PM (di1hb)

147 You know what rock star is actually a nice guy? Bruce Springsteen. Yeah, he's a tough taskmaster of his crew and band (hence, The Boss) but his band and crew come running whenever he calls them up for a tour.
He's always spotted around The Jersey Shore walking the beaches and boardwalks and poses for pictures with fans.
Yeah, he's an asshole when it comes to politics. but he claims that members of his family are Republican.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 23, 2018 10:52 PM (mc8++)

148 Mitt's hardly a mental giant, but he would crush Kamela under his heel.
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Mitt Romney would be steamrolled, simply because he has no spine and would willingly throw his own side under the bus instead of fighting back.

Posted by: JC at April 23, 2018 10:52 PM (mJXUS)

149 Welcome back to the land of the Big PX:
32

Yo Hoarders, back from downrange, again, sound in neither mind nor body but glad to be back in the land of toilet paper and ice cubes. Funny what the little things are that make you happy.
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at April 23, 2018 10:28 PM (UFLLM)

Posted by: Deacon Bleau at April 23, 2018 10:52 PM (yScAF)

150 68 McCartney. Bar none. He is a vegan, and insists that the the temp local union crews not eat meat while setting and running his shows. He even tours local McDs, Wendy's, and Burger Kings looking for them at breaks.

What an asshole. These dudes bust their ass for 18 hours a day to make this shitstain's shows happen. They need protein.
Posted by: Calm Mentor

I don't understand how he can get away with that with union members. They have these things called contracts. I grew up around union members, UAW, teamsters, AFL CIO. They file grievances. They tell anyone who annoys them to go talk to the union steward. EVERYTHING job related is based on the union contract.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 23, 2018 10:52 PM (+lVUW)

151 JoeF., I've heard that too about Springsteen. Back in the 1980s I heard that he even does his own mike checks...

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 10:52 PM (eMKNe)

152 Bad back spasms this evening. Pain.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
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Find out where that bar is.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 23, 2018 10:53 PM (QxXRY)

153 that's "shoo in".

"Shoe-in" is what we expect Kamela Harris to do to Mittens in any presidential debate.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 23, 2018 10:53 PM (2K6fY)

154 NOW LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE!

Oh, wait, let me go look at what you've done.

Gooood eeeeevennning.

Posted by: mindful webworker in the state of confusion at April 23, 2018 10:53 PM (3tLP6)

155 Calm Mentor, McCartney *himself* cases the local fast food joints?!?!? Really?

Okay, that's a weird hobby.
Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 10:46 PM (eMKNe)

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He has to sound check for an hour, and then perform for two hours every stop.

This allows plenty of time for fascist behavior while on a 48 hour stop in a city.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at April 23, 2018 10:53 PM (NIRP2)

156
Romney very much wants to run for president in 2020. A billionaire of his age running for Senate can only be viewed as a resume enhancement.
Posted by: Octopussy at April 23, 2018 10:31 PM (vJAQ0)

Mittens has been "running" for President for close to 30 years. He wants the job. Badly.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 23, 2018 10:54 PM (eXA4G)

157 hi mindful! where do you get your energy? are you a health food eater? bicyclist?

Posted by: booknlass at April 23, 2018 10:54 PM (xGMkv)

158 Calm Mentor, LOL.

If I walked into a Wendy's and there was Paul McCartney hectoring people there, I'd wonder who slipped the LSD in my Pepsi.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 10:54 PM (eMKNe)

159

Yeah, a buddy of mine spent the day as a chauffer to Tyler one day. Drove him to an appearance at KSC. Had nothing but good things to say about him.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at April 23, 2018 10:54 PM (GdWl+)

160 I can get some of the apparent attitude from some famous singers/musicians...weirdos try to get next to you, someone wants you to help on a business deal, others who just want to say they slept with you. You have to put up a barrier to those people.

I have an issue with the ones who do it ALL the time, even if it's just a radio interview.

Most of my career has been in either small towns or in smaller-ranked Arbitron markets, so my experience isn't as broad as others. My experience is that most rock stars in dealing with the media or the public are jerks.

In country music, you have jerks, too, but they didn't seem to be as prevalent when I worked the format. Clint Black and Charlie Daniels were two of the nicest guys I got to talk to. Dan Seals (of England Dan and John Ford Coley, later a country solo artist) was kind and even asked to hold my baby daughter once because he missed his kids so much. A lot of country stars were, if not friendly, at least professional and courteous.

The worst country performers I ever interviewed...Don Williams (a total ****) and Wynonna Judd (who didn't want to talk to us because we weren't a "big" enough station).

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at April 23, 2018 10:55 PM (rJUlF)

161 129 So, the former Governor of Massholia is now a Utah resident in good standing?

Just doesn't seem to be a wide open spaces kind of guy. And if someone were to refer to him as the Southbound end of a Northbound horse, I don't think he'd even realize the insult there.
...

So, over to you, Horde!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at April 23, 2018 10:48 PM (QzJWU)

Something like 80% of Utah's population are urban dwellers.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at April 23, 2018 10:55 PM (di1hb)

162 I can't image anyone who could possibly take Mitt Romney seriously at this point.

I came to despise him in 2012, but sucked it up and voted for him anyway because his opponent was Obama.

There is no way I would ever vote for him again, no matter what the circumstances. I utterly loathe him. He is a phony and a charlatan.

Posted by: rickl at April 23, 2018 10:56 PM (sdi6R)

163 143 It's pathetic that Mittens is a shoe-in as Senator from the great state of Utah.

#CultOverCountry
Posted by: ShainS at April 23, 2018 10:51 PM (BiLU+)

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He's Bostonian, isn't he?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 23, 2018 10:56 PM (IEVqH)

164 Billy Donovan was a good college coach. He is a poor to middling pro coach. It's probably not his fault. His players just don't listen to him. At all.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at April 23, 2018 10:56 PM (+Tibp)

165 Another rock star who has a great reputation with fans is Eric Clapton.

I read a story years ago that he and J.J. Cale once went out to eat at the Olive Garden in Escondido, and other patrons couldn't believe what they were seeing.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 10:56 PM (eMKNe)

166 Tender Greens, with28 restaurants on the East and West coasts, is one of a growing number of eateries that are either shunning cash
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????
Legal tender for all debts, public and private.

I think they would have a tough time if someone insisted on paying cash, policy or no policy.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 23, 2018 10:56 PM (w1zJX)

167 Re risk during student-led outdoor activities.

Well, I can see the University's point. One can't just take off into the wilderness without proper training and certification in leadership skills, trek management, logistics, camp sanitation, orienteering, and most importantly, first aid.

There might even be a question about liability that only a licensed attorney can answer, so, of course, there should be at least one lawyer on each trek, and a rape counselor.

I completely agree that modern university students can't handle the risk in wilderness conditions without the supervision of well trained and accredited adult supervisors.

It's only common sense, for the children.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Not Woke atall at April 23, 2018 10:56 PM (roQNm)

168 "As far as racism goes, the modern loony left seem to forget that Hitler was leftwing"

Morrissey

When folks like Morrissey and Kayne West buck the prevailing leftist 'wisdom', can the end times be far behind?

I dunno, but there is a pendulum of sentiment, and it swings back and forth every generation or two.

As crazy as it sounds, there have been a few rumblings lately that CA is not a lost cause.

But before I forgive them, there will a fetching of shineboxes and some firstings of blow me.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 23, 2018 10:56 PM (0ogQG)

169 what makes a visit a State visit? Why wasn't (or was it?) the Japanese leader and his wife last week a State visit?

Posted by: booknlass at April 23, 2018 10:57 PM (xGMkv)

170 59 re cashless restaurants: don't those Federal Reserve notes say "legal tender for all debts public and private"? I wonder if a cop would be willing to arrest someone for wanting to pay cash.

or maybe it's a way to keep out the undesirables who don't have debit cards or credit cards, like, you know, certain minority folk
Posted by: mallfly the Georgia Peach at April 23, 2018 10:35 PM (KxbBq)

I pay cash for everything, so they'd never have me as a customer.

I think the way the law works is if you offer to pay a debt with cash and are refused, the debt is considered paid. But they could get around that pretty easily by requiring your card before you're served.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 23, 2018 10:57 PM (h2Bdk)

171

I was surprised that Springsteen wasn't hogging the stage for that RO tune above.

He would later, though. It's what he does, annoyingly so. Never understood his appeal.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at April 23, 2018 10:57 PM (GdWl+)

172 Captain Whitebread, I can believe that.

One of the asshole stars mentioned in the Quora responses is Toby Keith.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 10:58 PM (eMKNe)

173
A porcelain crap is way underrated.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at April 23, 2018 10:51 PM (di1hb)

The first thing I did once I got back to Fort Polk was take a crap on my hotel room toilet. Then I fell asleep.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at April 23, 2018 10:59 PM (LrbFI)

174 comedy central ass hat Trevor Noah just said he didn't know there was more than one kind of lettuce.

Posted by: mallfly the Georgia Peach at April 23, 2018 10:59 PM (KxbBq)

175 I completely agree that modern university students can't handle the risk in wilderness conditions without the supervision of well trained and accredited adult supervisors.

It's only common sense, for the children.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Not Woke atall at April 23, 2018 10:56 PM (roQNm)

They do seem remarkably unprepared for life outside of school.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 23, 2018 10:59 PM (h2Bdk)

176 Los Lobos are awesome. They came out after the gig to sign autographs and shoot the breeze. Just awesome.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at April 23, 2018 10:59 PM (+Tibp)

177 169 what makes a visit a State visit? Why wasn't (or was it?) the Japanese leader and his wife last week a State visit?

Posted by: booknlass at April 23, 2018 10:57 PM (xGMkv)

There are specific protocols that determine it. State visit doesn't mean better just more formal. You can have a state visit and get nothing done at all.

Posted by: Quint at April 23, 2018 10:59 PM (n13/j)

178 qdpsteve,

Supposedly Toby's mom, or aunt, or some other relative of his, lives just a few blocks from me. He's supposed to visit incognito, but I'm skeptical.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at April 23, 2018 10:59 PM (rJUlF)

179 There is no way I would ever vote for him again, no matter what the circumstances. I utterly loathe him. He is a phony and a charlatan.
Posted by: rickl at April 23, 2018 10:56 PM (sdi6R)

I feel the same about any candidate fawned over by the #SalonHot25.

I hope that phony Bill Kristol runs in 2020. Just so we can see him cry like a baby when PDT kicks him like a bad habit

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2018 10:59 PM (3Pma+)

180 >>I still have my copy.

...and that stupid zipper has ruined more LPs than anything else on the planet.

Posted by: garrett at April 23, 2018 10:59 PM (cSHRr)

181 174 comedy central ass hat Trevor Noah just said he didn't know there was more than one kind of lettuce.
Posted by: mallfly the Georgia Peach at April 23, 2018 10:59 PM (KxbBq)

Clearly there's a whole lot that man doesn't know.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 23, 2018 11:00 PM (h2Bdk)

182 SCIENCE! ONT Compliance Pics

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/988477392657309696

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/988477479378653185

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/988477808430239744

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/988477914911043584

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/988478023283478529

Posted by: kbdabear at April 23, 2018 11:00 PM (eh0Va)

183 CW, can understand.

I had no idea Jenni Rivera's family lived so close to me, until she died and there was round-the-clock coverage at her parents' house.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 11:00 PM (eMKNe)

184 Legal tender for all debts, public and private.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 23, 2018 10:56 PM (w1zJX)

As is ~~almost never~~often the case, we just need to check in with our old friend Section 31 U.S.C. 5103.

Basically it means the federal government says it has value, but they don't require anyone to accept it for payment.

Posted by: hogmartin at April 23, 2018 11:00 PM (y87Qq)

185 I hope that phony Bill Kristol runs in 2020. Just so we can see him cry like a baby when PDT kicks him like a bad habit

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2018 10:59 PM (3Pma+)
No chance he runs. You have to have at least a few supporters to run.

Posted by: Quint at April 23, 2018 11:01 PM (n13/j)

186 "Spectacular winners of the World Press Photo award"

I didn't see much of anything uplifting and inspiring in those images. What I did see was a lot of misery, and most of that misery was outside the United States.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Not Woke atall at April 23, 2018 11:01 PM (roQNm)

187 Blutarski, cool.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 11:01 PM (eMKNe)

188 Finland quickly abandoned Universal Basic Income. Also Massachusetts.

What Bradford and his community found was that the most creative and industrious people had no incentive to work any harder than anyone else, unless they could utilize the power of personal motivation! But while most of the rest of the world has been experimenting with socialism for well over a hundred years -- trying to refine it, perfect it, and re-invent it -- the Pilgrims decided early on to scrap it permanently. What Bradford wrote about this social experiment should be in every schoolchild's history lesson," every kid gets. "If it were, we might prevent much needless suffering in the future." Here's what he wrote: "'The experience that we had in this common course and condition, tried sundry years...that by taking away property, and bringing community into a common wealth, would make them happy and flourishing -- as if they were wiser than God,' Bradford wrote.

"'For this community [so far as it was] was found to breed much confusion and discontent, and retard much employment that would have been to their benefit and comfort. For young men that were most able and fit for labor and service did repine that they should spend their time and strength to work for other men's wives and children without any recompense...that was thought injustice.'" That was thought injustice. "Do you hear what he was saying, ladies and gentlemen? The Pilgrims found that people could not be expected to do their best work without incentive. So what did Bradford's community try next? They unharnessed the power of good old free enterprise by invoking the undergirding capitalistic principle of private property. Every family was assigned its own plot of land to work and permitted to market its own crops and products. And what was the result?" 'This had very good success,' wrote Bradford, "for it made all hands industrious, so as much more corn was planted than otherwise would have been."--Rush

Posted by: Jonah Geldberg, eh? at April 23, 2018 11:01 PM (Ndje9)

189 John Lennon was eccentric too, but I wonder what he would say about his old partner sneaking around burger joints looking to nail carnivorous crew members.....

Posted by: JoeF. at April 23, 2018 11:01 PM (mc8++)

190 57 Captain Whitebread, I forgot to put him in the above list. Mellencamp is also mentioned by more than one person to be a complete asshole.
Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 10:34 PM (eMKNe)

Mellencamp admits to being a complete asshole.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 23, 2018 11:01 PM (2DOZq)

191 173
A porcelain crap is way underrated.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at April 23, 2018 10:51 PM (di1hb)

The first thing I did once I got back to Fort Polk was take a crap on my hotel room toilet. Then I fell asleep.

For gawds sake man! Flush! Flush!

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at April 23, 2018 11:01 PM (LOq4H)

192 More SCIENCE! ONT Compliance Pics

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/988478121069379584

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/988478296290676737

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/988478444999790592

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/988478581855739904

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/988478783706542082

Posted by: kbdabear at April 23, 2018 11:02 PM (eh0Va)

193 Sebastian, yup. I think he's proud of it...

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 11:02 PM (eMKNe)

194 The first thing I did once I got back to Fort Polk was take a crap on my hotel room toilet. Then I fell asleep.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at April 23, 2018 10:59 PM (LrbFI)

----------

No. That was the ice bucket.

Posted by: The Leesville Holiday Inn Express at April 23, 2018 11:02 PM (IEVqH)

195
This is the first state *dinner* the Trumps have held, not a state visit. Melania is officially in charge of a state dinner, as First Lady. This is her first one.

Posted by: publius, the Persistently Priapic Poperin Pear at April 23, 2018 11:02 PM (8O3HH)

196 JoeF., Lennon could be pretty cool sometimes. I imagine he'd wait for Paul to leave, then buy everybody bacon cheeseburgers.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 11:02 PM (eMKNe)

197

Clearly there's a whole lot that man doesn't know.

Wonder if he has a kollidge degree?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at April 23, 2018 11:02 PM (GdWl+)

198 I have found that with businesses that refuse to take cash - for example, even some property management companies insist on money orders; they make many claims for the reason, but the REAL reason is almost always that they don't trust their employees to handle any of the cash without pilfering it. It's management saying "yeah we know all of our employees are a bunch of low life grifters and thieves, and this is all we're gonna do about it."

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 23, 2018 11:03 PM (V2Yro)

199 I'm late to this party and haven't read the comments yet.

I am blown away by the fact that Roy Orbison has been dead for thirty years. I had to go check it. Sure it must've been a typo. Wow. Hubby was shocked also. I'd have guessed 15 - 20 at the most. I am so old. Seems like just yesterday.

Posted by: cfo mom at April 23, 2018 11:03 PM (RfzVr)

200 re 170: again, that could be a treated as a kind of racial or ethnic discrimination if the local publicity hound politicians wanted to make it into a case. I vaguely recall the legal term as 'disparate impact'.

Posted by: mallfly the Georgia Peach at April 23, 2018 11:03 PM (KxbBq)

201 59 re cashless restaurants: don't those Federal Reserve notes say "legal tender for all debts public and private"? I wonder if a cop would be willing to arrest someone for wanting to pay cash.

or maybe it's a way to keep out the undesirables who don't have debit cards or credit cards, like, you know, certain minority folk
Posted by: mallfly the Georgia Peach at April 23, 2018 10:35 PM (KxbBq)

I fail to see the problem.

Posted by: This is Democracy Manifest Guy at April 23, 2018 11:03 PM (Dp6qK)

202 Good...oh fuck this shit.

Posted by: Robert at April 23, 2018 11:03 PM (ayUOl)

203 No chance he runs. You have to have at least a few supporters to run.
Posted by: Quint at April 23, 2018 11:01 PM (n13/j)

No shit!

Posted by: Evan McMuffin who has more debt than votes at April 23, 2018 11:03 PM (3Pma+)

204 I've also read that Lennon's fave drink was rum and Coke.

If he went to a bar and there were other people about to order, he'd ask them "rum and coke, right?" Of course they wanted to be buds with him, so they'd go for it. Then Lennon would buy their drinks for them.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 11:04 PM (eMKNe)

205 I'm sick of packing. Is it cool to just douse everything in gasoline and then lighting a match? Cuz that's where I'm fucking at right now.

Posted by: Robert at April 23, 2018 11:04 PM (ayUOl)

206 163 143 It's pathetic that Mittens is a shoe-in as Senator from the great state of Utah.

#CultOverCountry
Posted by: ShainS at April 23, 2018 10:51 PM (BiLU+)

How is he a shoe in? He lost at the State Republican convention. He will have to win the primary.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 23, 2018 11:05 PM (2DOZq)

207 JoeF., Lennon could be pretty cool sometimes. I imagine he'd wait for Paul to leave, then buy everybody bacon cheeseburgers.
Posted by: qdpsteve

Although I've come to think Lennon was a dick, I think compared to McCartney, he might've been kinda like Bill Murray. Surprisingly accessible and human with fans.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at April 23, 2018 11:05 PM (+Tibp)

208 Robert, are you moving?

Posted by: booknlass at April 23, 2018 11:05 PM (xGMkv)

209 Blutarski, I've heard that as well.

Lennon also seemed to be really growing up as a person, before he died.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 11:05 PM (eMKNe)

210
I see there is a difference between "official visit" and "state visit". The latter properly includes a state dinner.

There are "official dinners" as well. The difference is the dress and the pomp and circumstance. So, this is the first proper state visit with state dinner.

The previous ones with Abe were just considered official visits.

Posted by: publius, the Persistently Priapic Poperin Pear at April 23, 2018 11:06 PM (8O3HH)

211 Mis Hum, I am surprised at you. Beaver is ALWAYS on the menu.

Posted by: Publius Redux at April 23, 2018 11:06 PM (0/0WS)

212 I don't understand how he can get away with that with union members. They have these things called contracts. I grew up around union members, UAW, teamsters, AFL CIO. They file grievances. They tell anyone who annoys them to go talk to the union steward. EVERYTHING job related is based on the union contract.
Posted by: nerdygirl at April 23, 2018 10:52 PM (+lVUW)

-------

McCartney simply doesn't care. His actions do not impact him personally, so why would he?

While I think Unions are well beyond their "best if used by" date, Sir Paul has not to worry about a simple thing like a grievance being filed.

He would never know about it, and it would not ever even enter into his view of the world.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at April 23, 2018 11:06 PM (NIRP2)

213 LadyTheo, would you mind sharing whatever you ingested to have that dream?
Asking for myself.

Posted by: Winston at April 23, 2018 11:06 PM (wgCUV)

214 Smart quotes must die ...

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 23, 2018 11:06 PM (LNPd9)

215

On the binary spectrum, I'm Pi...

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at April 23, 2018 11:06 PM (UFLLM)

216 thanks, publius!

how was you burfday?

Posted by: booknlass at April 23, 2018 11:06 PM (xGMkv)

217 He also doesn't believe that the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor in '41. That came out in an interview with Charlie Rose, and even Rose had to do a double-take.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur

So did Rose ask him to justify a stupid statement like that, or just let it slide? Celebritards need to be held accountable.
When I was in college, when you made a statement, the professor expected you to back it up.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 23, 2018 11:07 PM (+lVUW)

218
It's only common sense, for the children.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Not Woke atall at April 23, 2018 10:56 PM (roQNm)

I guess I didn't think this through

//

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2018 11:07 PM (3Pma+)

219 Wasn't Switzerland toying with a Universal Basic Income? The odd thing to me when I heard it was that they have always struck me as more level headed than their other European brethren.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at April 23, 2018 11:08 PM (sCUYC)

220 I guess the restaurant is willing to take a 2 to 4% loss right off the back. I'm sure their pricing will take care of that though.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 23, 2018 11:08 PM (2DOZq)

221 I used to be a daily reader of Hacker News, before I got tired of the unrelenting left-wing slant of the moderators. One of the things nearly every commenter on the site supports is UBI. Somehow young leftists have convinced themselves only a few percent of working people will stop if they get UBI, and that too many people derive fulfillment from work to make a difference.

If you're a highly paid developer at an exciting startup it's easy to think "I would do this for free", but nobody who's worked a fry vat thinks only 3% of the population would quit their jobs.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 23, 2018 11:08 PM (h2Bdk)

222 207, yes Lennon was obliging with fans. He even signed a copy of his album for a chap one time outside the Dakota where he lived.....

Posted by: JoeF. at April 23, 2018 11:08 PM (mc8++)

223 > But they could get around that pretty easily by requiring your card before you're served.

Yes, it's fine to refuse cash as long as the bargain was made ahead of time, because no debt exists until after the food is served, and they're not gonna serve it unless you agree to pay with a card.

Posted by: Anagram Nation at April 23, 2018 11:08 PM (Q7M5N)

224 Kamala Harris seems very beatable to me.

I'm not someone that thinks Trump is invincible, but the Democrat bench looks incredibly weak.

Posted by: Jackso at April 23, 2018 11:08 PM (uc45P)

225 State visits certainly do not mean they are" better" or relations are closer. For example, all the times Bush had Blair at Camp David or Crawford were much stronger statements of friendship and closeness than a state visit. I could look it up but I don't think there was a UK state visit during W's presidency.

Posted by: Quint at April 23, 2018 11:09 PM (n13/j)

226
That Noah assclown needs to go back home to South Africa if he hates it here so much. Srsly.
Posted by: Anagram Nation

He could be a king!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 23, 2018 11:09 PM (IqV8l)

227 Well we're after 100, So I'll share here. First time cholerterol is ever under 200. Scored a 198.

My doc sys the better figure is your ratio, HDL to LDL. It'd supposed to be under 4, mine is 3.2. YAY.

Posted by: Farmer at April 23, 2018 11:09 PM (yJ1e6)

228

While I think Unions are well beyond their "best if used by" date, Sir Paul has not to worry about a simple thing like a grievance being filed.

He would never know about it, and it would not ever even enter into his view of the world.

I wonder what that's like, to never be without, never have to worry about making ends meet, never have to worry about paying bills. Always have everything you need.

Must be nice. I guess.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at April 23, 2018 11:10 PM (GdWl+)

229 I'm not someone that thinks Trump is invincible, but the Democrat bench looks incredibly weak.
Posted by: Jackso

If Hillary! runs again (and I think she will), it will not be a coronation. The fifty other Dem candidates will strip the bark off of her.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at April 23, 2018 11:10 PM (+Tibp)

230 Maybe what happened to Lennon is the reason why a lot of rock stars (and famous people in general) act like dicks around "normal" people.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 23, 2018 11:10 PM (mc8++)

231 Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2018 11:07 PM

I get into trouble when I see all five sides to a given problem. Nothing is simple, really.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Not Woke atall at April 23, 2018 11:10 PM (roQNm)

232 I wonder what that's like, to never be without, never have to worry about making ends meet, never have to worry about paying bills. Always have everything you need.

Must be nice. I guess.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at April 23, 2018 11:10 PM (GdWl+)

--------

Mr. Moo Moo seemed to enjoy it.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 23, 2018 11:11 PM (IEVqH)

233 are you moving?
Posted by: booknlass at April 23, 2018 11:05 PM (xGMkv)

Yeppers!

Posted by: Robert, dousing himself in gasoline cuz it's quicker this way at April 23, 2018 11:11 PM (ayUOl)

234 I wish we had tiaras for state visits like the Euro royals. Melania could totally rock a tiara! Well actually she could rock a potato chip bag, she has such grace and class. ((Sigh))

Posted by: Cheriebebe at April 23, 2018 11:12 PM (DAdSz)

235 Also, my brother had a heart attack today. He's recovering, but, still...

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at April 23, 2018 11:12 PM (+Tibp)

236 > I used to be a daily reader of Hacker News, before I got tired of the unrelenting left-wing slant of the moderators.

I still get the headlines in RSS and click through to the original site if it looks interesting. I don't read the comments since I got "rate limited" for trying to keep up with replies to an SJW swarm that was attacking me. I "rate limited" myself to zero after that.

Posted by: Anagram Nation at April 23, 2018 11:12 PM (Q7M5N)

237 I hope that phony Bill Kristol runs in 2020. Just so we can see him cry like a baby when PDT kicks him like a bad habit

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian

Brad Thor has valiantly availed himself for the role because NeverT isn't a mental illness or something.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 23, 2018 11:12 PM (LNPd9)

238 Wasn't Switzerland toying with a Universal Basic Income? The odd thing to me when I heard it was that they have always struck me as more level headed than their other European brethren.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at April 23, 2018 11:08 PM (sCUYC)

Aw, let 'em. Any country that will deny a citizenship application to a 34 year resident because she's a vegan activist gets a few freebies.

Posted by: hogmartin at April 23, 2018 11:12 PM (y87Qq)

239 203 No chance he runs. You have to have at least a few supporters to run.
Posted by: Quint at April 23, 2018 11:01 PM (n13/j)

No shit!
Posted by: Evan McMuffin who has more debt than votes at April 23, 2018 11:03 PM (3Pma+)

Imagine my surprise. I thought all you had to do was line up the donors.

Posted by: �Jeb! at April 23, 2018 11:12 PM (h2Bdk)

240 His players just don't listen to him. At all.
Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at April 23, 2018 10:56 PM (+Tibp)

We had that problem in Denver with Josh McDaniel. It's basically the worst problem a coach can have (aside from being Dick Vermeil).

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 23, 2018 11:12 PM (UiRxW)

241
174 comedy central ass hat Trevor Noah just said he didn't know there was more than one kind of lettuce.
Posted by: mallfly the Georgia Peach at April 23, 2018 10:59 PM (KxbBq)

* adds "too many varieties of lettuce" to list of campaign issues for Da Bern in 2020 *

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 23, 2018 11:13 PM (pNxlR)

242 Hi Jim! How do you like those crafts up top there?

Posted by: booknlass at April 23, 2018 10:41 PM (xGMkv)

Salty lookin', seaworthy working boats. Not much there in terms of comforts or amenities, but they'll take the rough water, and usually get'cha back home to the docks.

Shortcoming for me though, is those are both classic, compound-block rigs, running heavy manila lines, and the winches (if any) are capstans made to be turned by many hands.

In other words, boats that absolutely require some crew to operate, and just can't be single-handed, be it around the docks or out under way.

But absolutely spellbinding to see 'em out on the water, running on a beam reach while breaking waves.

Those boats sail with the souls of every man that's ever crewed 'em, still a part of the canvas, wood and steel.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 23, 2018 11:13 PM (QzJWU)

243 it's exhausting if you have to do so in a hurry. makes you want to give things away.

I went out to ABQ from IL after grad school with a horsetrailer full of stuff and a pickup with a topper.

came back with a short bed Ram heaped. left a lot behind.

Posted by: booknlass at April 23, 2018 11:13 PM (xGMkv)

244 222 207, yes Lennon was obliging with fans. He even signed a copy of his album for a chap one time outside the Dakota where he lived.....
Posted by: JoeF. at April 23, 2018 11:08 PM (mc8++)

Imagine there's no Lennon, it's easy to do......

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2018 11:14 PM (3Pma+)

245 Good for you Farmer!! Those can be tough numbers to crack without meds.

Posted by: Cheriebebe at April 23, 2018 11:14 PM (DAdSz)

246 I'm sure others have pointed this out, but is there even a tiny bit of difference between Hillary saying how sad she was that all of her supporters had to hide how much they loved her when it came time to vote...

...and the Waffle House shooter saying how sad he was that Taylor Swift had to hide how much she was stalking him.

To me they are of the same mindset.

And apparently they both favor wandering around in the woods in various states of undress

Posted by: Muldoon at April 23, 2018 11:14 PM (wPiJc)

247 If Hillary! runs again (and I think she will), it will not be a coronation. The fifty other Dem candidates will strip the bark off of her.
Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0

___________

That's a big reason why incumbent Presidents have such an advantage, the Democrats will probably spend close to a billion just going after each other while Trump can just fly in and pack arenas with supporters and raise money.

The biggest factor though I see if Trump get elected will be what the FED does with interest rates. They could dump cold water on the economy easily by chasing after non existent inflation.

Posted by: Jackso at April 23, 2018 11:14 PM (uc45P)

248 Mellencamp admits to being a complete asshole.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 23, 2018 11:01 PM (2DOZq)

Self-awareness is a good thing.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at April 23, 2018 11:14 PM (rJUlF)

249 Also, my brother had a heart attack today. He's recovering, but, still...
Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at April 23, 2018 11:12 PM (+Tibp)

Hoping his reovery is speedy and blessed with the care of many hot, buxom nurses.

Posted by: Robert at April 23, 2018 11:14 PM (ayUOl)

250 Imagine there's no Lennon, it's easy to do......
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian

I have not laughed that hard since the Obama television show thread.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at April 23, 2018 11:15 PM (+Tibp)

251 > If Hillary! runs again (and I think she will), it will not be a coronation.

In the wildly unlikely event she does get the nom, Trump will curb stomp her.

He beat her as someone with no track record in politics, with every media outlet spewing hate at him, and with her spending twice as much money as him.

Now, with a good track record on the economy and international relations, it's going to take a lot more than Hillary! to unseat him.

Kamala Harris is a loser as well -- she'll be a big vote getter in Commiefornia. The problem is, the Dem party doesn't *need* more votes in Commiefornia. They need votes in Ohio.

Posted by: Anagram Nation at April 23, 2018 11:15 PM (Q7M5N)

252 I wonder what that's like, to never be without, never have to worry about making ends meet, never have to worry about paying bills. Always have everything you need.

---

Then you would be worried about someone taking all your stuff. And you would be plagued by 'friends' who love it that you buy stuff for them. And in modern times, you would have to worry about offending someone and the resulting lawsuits. Not to mention the allegations and accusations of impropriety.

And kidnapping rich people for ransom is always a problem. You would need security, even if it was just to shield you from mobs of adoring fans wanting to shake your hand a get a photo.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Not Woke atall at April 23, 2018 11:15 PM (roQNm)

253 Those boats sail with the souls of every man that's ever crewed 'em, still a part of the canvas, wood and steel.

Jim, you're a romantic. and you can sure write.

Posted by: booknlass at April 23, 2018 11:16 PM (xGMkv)

254 Brad Thor has valiantly availed himself for the role because NeverT isn't a mental illness or something.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 23, 2018 11:12 PM (LNPd9

When he starts hosting a cruise, I might pay him some attention.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2018 11:16 PM (3Pma+)

255 Huh. A December 7th truther. There have always been out there, but they used to shut the hell up or get a boot up their ass.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop

The WWII generation probably didn't have much tolerance for that shit.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 23, 2018 11:16 PM (+lVUW)

256 219 Wasn't Switzerland toying with a Universal Basic Income? The odd thing to me when I heard it was that they have always struck me as more level headed than their other European brethren.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at April 23, 2018 11:08 PM (sCUYC)

That was Finland, I think.

Or Some low-pop Scandi country. Maybe Iceland?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 23, 2018 11:17 PM (xJa6I)

257

Hoping his reovery is speedy and blessed with the care of many hot, buxom nurses.

Same here. Had two myself. The ones you live through aren't too bad...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at April 23, 2018 11:17 PM (GdWl+)

258 255 Huh. A December 7th truther. There have always been out there, but they used to shut the hell up or get a boot up their ass.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop

The WWII generation probably didn't have much tolerance for that shit.
Posted by: nerdygirl at April 23, 2018 11:16 PM (+lVUW)

Buzz Aldrin punched out a reporter who claimed the moon landing was faked.

Posted by: josephistan at April 23, 2018 11:17 PM (ANIFC)

259 I wonder what that's like, to never be without, never have to worry about making ends meet, never have to worry about paying bills. Always have everything you need.

Must be nice. I guess.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at April 23, 2018 11:10 PM (GdWl+)

I've known a lot of people in that position, and they don't seem to be any happier than the rest of us. Some people have the tendency to turn inward and just worry about their mortality, or they get bored and start taking drugs just to have something to do.

I knew a guy who made a sizable fortune off the dotcom boom, and it literally killed him.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 23, 2018 11:17 PM (h2Bdk)

260 Jimi Hendrix was a nice guy. He never talked bad about the US. He was a Vet and always dedicated shows to the "brothers over in Vietnam." And by "brothers", I don't think he just meant "blacks."

Posted by: JoeF. at April 23, 2018 11:18 PM (mc8++)

261 Hoping his reovery is speedy and blessed with the care of many hot, buxom nurses.
Posted by: Robert

Thank you, sir. I think he'll go home tomorrow. But thank you.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at April 23, 2018 11:18 PM (+Tibp)

262 A local insurance agent has a large sign on their doorsaying they do not accept cash - checks, cards, MO's only. Dirty little secret is that they actually dotake cash, the sign is there for would be robbers.

Posted by: cfo mom at April 23, 2018 11:18 PM (RfzVr)

263 sorry to hear about your brother's heart attack.

and related, grateful Farmer's getting healthier. good work.

Posted by: booknlass at April 23, 2018 11:18 PM (xGMkv)

264
Now, with a good track record on the economy and international relations, it's going to take a lot more than Hillary! to unseat him.

It's a million years between now and then.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 23, 2018 11:18 PM (IqV8l)

265 Another rock star who has a great reputation with fans is Eric Clapton.

I read a story years ago that he and J.J. Cale once went out to eat at the Olive Garden in Escondido, and other patrons couldn't believe what they were seeing.
Posted by: qdpsteve

Clapton lives part of the year on his farm outside of Powell, Ohio (suburban Columbus), and has been seen out with his wife. A guy I used to work with saw him at the Virgin Records store at Easton Mall, and spoke to him briefly. And his daughter saw them at Johnny Rockets (burger joint), and got his autograph for her Dad when she saw his credit card.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....living on the prison planet at April 23, 2018 11:18 PM (S6Pax)

266 Oh boy! This should work out great!

Amazon has a top-secret plan to build home robots

https://tinyurl.com/y8shpu8f

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 11:19 PM (eMKNe)

267
Ah... Sticky Fingers. The Stones best and arguably the best rock LP made. Only the White Album really challenges it.

Posted by: otho at April 23, 2018 11:19 PM (7xR2D)

268 and Morton, if you're out there, Puff's tummy is really, really round, so I think I'm going to find kittens one of these weeks when I come home from work.

better not be in my bed.

Posted by: booknlass at April 23, 2018 11:19 PM (xGMkv)

269 Why do so many crazy people focus on Taylor Swift? She seems to get more than her share.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 23, 2018 11:20 PM (h2Bdk)

270 "Assault weapons should not be walking the streets of a civilized country."

Actual quote from Kamala Harris.

I posted this earlier, but I thought it could use some fisking on the ONT.

Have at it.

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 23, 2018 11:20 PM (NXsWM)

271

I see the Toronto thing is already off the RADAR... inconvenient narrative?

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at April 23, 2018 11:20 PM (UFLLM)

272 Bozo, that's good to hear about Clapton. I enjoy his music a lot.

Joe F., also good to hear about Hendrix.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 11:21 PM (eMKNe)

273 Mittens has been "running" for President for close to 30 years. He wants the job. Badly.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur

So a better looking Hillary.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 23, 2018 11:21 PM (+lVUW)

274 267, agree about Sticky Fingers. Easily the Stones best, one of the best overall, I like The Beatles a lot, but I think The White Album is way over-rated. I'll take Revolver any day....

Posted by: JoeF. at April 23, 2018 11:21 PM (mc8++)

275

I'd rather be rich than famous. Hell, I don't even want to be rich, never have, TBH. However, it sure would be nice to be able to buy a pair of glasses when I need them, or go to the dentist. Or get a vehicle repaired without selling a child I don't have.

Money just doesn't like me for some reason.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at April 23, 2018 11:21 PM (GdWl+)

276 266 Oh boy! This should work out great!

Amazon has a top-secret plan to build home robots

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10 bucks says the robots will be programmed to go online and order shit from Amazon.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 23, 2018 11:21 PM (IEVqH)

277 Sticky Fingers > White Album

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 23, 2018 11:21 PM (UiRxW)

278 268 and Morton, if you're out there, Puff's tummy is really, really round, so I think I'm going to find kittens one of these weeks when I come home from work.

better not be in my bed.
Posted by: booknlass at April 23, 2018 11:19 PM (xGMkv)

It'll be in some nook somewhere. Not on your bed. No worries.

Posted by: eleven at April 23, 2018 11:22 PM (+lOpA)

279 270 "Assault weapons should not be walking the streets of a civilized country."

Actual quote from Kamala Harris.

I posted this earlier, but I thought it could use some fisking on the ONT.

Have at it.
Posted by: tcn in AK at April 23, 2018 11:20 PM (NXsWM

I'm so jealous that someone has an "assault" weapon with fucking legs. AWESOME

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2018 11:22 PM (3Pma+)

280 Cicero, LOL.

"Who keeps using my credit card?!?!?"

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 11:22 PM (eMKNe)

281 Also, my brother had a heart attack today. He's recovering, but, still...
Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at April 23, 2018 11:12 PM (+Tibp)
Hoping his reovery is speedy and blessed with the care of many hot, buxom nurses.
Posted by: Robert at April 23, 2018 11:14

Best wishes
from here, hope all goes well.

Posted by: Farmer at April 23, 2018 11:22 PM (yJ1e6)

282 the thing is...what would any establishment GOP 2020 primary candidate even say to get my vote?

They fucked up, they cucked and they lost. We don wanna cuck, we wanna winnah.

Posted by: Kuhyt at April 23, 2018 11:22 PM (Kuhyt)

283 270 "Assault weapons should not be walking the streets of a civilized country."

Actual quote from Kamala Harris.

I posted this earlier, but I thought it could use some fisking on the ONT.

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PRO TIP: Never put a bipod on an unsupervised firearm.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 23, 2018 11:23 PM (IEVqH)

284 true, if you don't cuck hard enough, the left wing weirdos on twitter and that former news network CNN will call you a "vicious ultra super rightwing nazi who hates with the racisms" but I think we'll all get over that/.

Posted by: Kuhyt at April 23, 2018 11:23 PM (Kuhyt)

285 Sticky Fingers > White Album
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice

I like Sticky Fingers, but I think I like Beggar's Banquet more. Maybe.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at April 23, 2018 11:23 PM (+Tibp)

286 "Dead Flowers" may just be my favorite song.

Posted by: josephistan at April 23, 2018 11:24 PM (ANIFC)

287 I do have to admit that Kamala Harris is a 1.

Posted by: rickl at April 23, 2018 11:24 PM (sdi6R)

288 It'll be in some nook somewhere. Not on your bed. No worries.
Posted by: eleven at April 23, 2018 11:22 PM (+lOpA)

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Yeah? Great. Just great! Both times my cat got pregnant that nook was my lap.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 23, 2018 11:24 PM (UiRxW)

289 285 Sticky Fingers > White Album
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice

I like Sticky Fingers, but I think I like Beggar's Banquet more. Maybe.
Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at April 23, 2018 11:23 PM (+Tibp)

Mick Taylor >Ronnie Wood & Keith Richards

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2018 11:24 PM (3Pma+)

290 Other thing about state visits is that all the "important people" from the two nations show up to dinners and events to network. The Dems love to pack theirs with Hollyweirdos.

Posted by: Quint at April 23, 2018 11:24 PM (n13/j)

291 Pretty sure cash says "good for all debts, public and private" right there on the front of each bill. Not sure it's legal to turn down cash

Posted by: pretty sure at April 23, 2018 11:25 PM (Ymy4N)

292 "Assault weapons should not be walking the streets of a civilized country."

Two Assault weapons walk into a bar.....

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at April 23, 2018 11:25 PM (+Tibp)

293 Damn. No matter how hard I concentrate, that revolver just won't clean itself.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 23, 2018 11:25 PM (h2Bdk)

294 Amazon now selling... Pussy.

https://tinyurl.com/y7fob5gl

What's next? An energy drink called Beaver?

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 11:25 PM (eMKNe)

295 Pretty sure cash says "good for all debts, public and private" right there on the front of each bill. Not sure it's legal to turn down cash
Posted by: pretty sure at April 23, 2018 11:25 PM (Ymy4N)

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It's legal.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 23, 2018 11:25 PM (IEVqH)

296 Yeah? Great. Just great! Both times my cat got pregnant that nook was my lap.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 23, 2018 11:24 PM (UiRxW)

Hah....well that means she really loves you.

I guess?

Posted by: eleven at April 23, 2018 11:25 PM (+lOpA)

297

"Dead Flowers" may just be my favorite song.

"Can't You Hear Me Knocking" is my fave Stones tune.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at April 23, 2018 11:26 PM (GdWl+)

298 "Assault weapons should not be walking the streets of a civilized country."

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The day Assault weapons can grow two legs and walk the streets on their own, I'm outta here.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Not Woke atall at April 23, 2018 11:27 PM (roQNm)

299 Beaver Banquet > Beggars Banquet

Posted by: pretty sure at April 23, 2018 11:27 PM (Ymy4N)

300 I really like "Before They Make Me Run." Lead vocal by Keith Richards.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 11:27 PM (eMKNe)

301 I like Let It Bleed best. But beggars banquet is awesome too.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 23, 2018 11:27 PM (UiRxW)

302 I can run a business where I only accept payment in giant stone discs, if I want.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 23, 2018 11:27 PM (IEVqH)

303
Court rulings on cash only get subtle. The phrase is "legal tender for all debts, public and private". If you are owed a debt, then you are obligated to take legal tender.

Now, if you are not owed a debt, you can negotiate what form of payment you will take (within limits, you couldn't negotiate the payment of the counter-party's first born son or something like that).

So, basically, if you pay after eating, then the restaurant has to take cash money, since you owe them a debt. Now, if it's pay up front, then they can say no cash.

Posted by: publius, the Persistently Priapic Poperin Pear at April 23, 2018 11:28 PM (8O3HH)

304 -
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55 Huh. A December 7th truther. There have always been out there, but they used to shut the hell up or get a boot up their ass.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop

The WWII generation probably didn't have much tolerance for that shit.
Posted by: nerdygirl at April 23, 2018 11:16 PM (+lVUW)

---------------------------------

I've always been sympathetic to the conspiracy theory that FDR knew about the Pearl Harbor attack ahead of time and waited for it to occur so we would get involved and save his commie buddy Stalin. I have no actual evidence for this, but I really hate FDR and other commies, so the theory makes me smile.

Posted by: irright at April 23, 2018 11:28 PM (RVcmP)

305 the failure was obvious so quickly that the experiment was terminated.

Oh, Gawd. That means we've got to try it, too, because our politicians are so much smarter than theirs.

Posted by: t-bird at April 23, 2018 11:28 PM (5OO3x)

306 Boston Market PP > Banquet PP

Posted by: pretty sure at April 23, 2018 11:28 PM (Ymy4N)

307 > Pretty sure cash says "good for all debts, public and private" right there on the front of each bill. Not sure it's legal to turn down cash

It's not legal to refuse it for a pre-existing monetary debt. It's legal to refuse it in advance of providing a good or service, because no debt exists until the good or service has been provided.

Posted by: Anagram Nation at April 23, 2018 11:28 PM (Q7M5N)

308 Musicians who are Dicks, Lot quicker to list those who aren't. Bob Seger would top that list.

Posted by: Hedmonster Bolt at April 23, 2018 11:28 PM (BXzcL)

309 267, agree about Sticky Fingers. Easily the Stones best, one of the best overall, I like The Beatles a lot, but I think The White Album is way over-rated. I'll take Revolver any day....

Posted by: JoeF. at April 23, 2018 11:21 PM

I get that. Revolver easily challenges TWA... it's that good. In regards Sticky Fingers, everything converged for a monumentally good LP. As famous as it is, it is still under rated.

Posted by: otho at April 23, 2018 11:29 PM (7xR2D)

310 Another Monday survived!

Posted by: Blanco Basura - It's OK, I'm with the banned at April 23, 2018 11:29 PM (IcT7t)

311
And I see that there are some *state laws* that mandate acceptance of cash. Above, it's the federal notion of legal tender that governs things. But a state law can require it. Presumably a federal law could as well.

Posted by: publius, the Persistently Priapic Poperin Pear at April 23, 2018 11:29 PM (8O3HH)

312 Also, my brother had a heart attack today. He's recovering, but, still...
Posted by: Blutarski-esque

Yeesh!

Lots of prayers your way.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 23, 2018 11:30 PM (LNPd9)

313 Dec 7th Truther - I wonder who he thinks attacked Manila on the same day, and bombed Darwin, Australia a couple months later. Or who raped Manchuria and enslaved Singapore.

all of that kind of thought depends on an intense level of stupidity about most everything.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 23, 2018 11:30 PM (V2Yro)

314 It's no accident that The Stones put out their best singles when Brian Jones was in the band and their best ALBUMS when Mick Taylor was in the band.
Nothing against Ron Wood ( speaking of nice chaps) but The Stones have been trading water since he joined......43 years ago.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 23, 2018 11:30 PM (mc8++)

315 Blutarski, best wishes for your brother...

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 11:30 PM (eMKNe)

316 I think if I were to be blessed with wealth, the first thing I would do is thank God that I didn't have it when I was young and stupid.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at April 23, 2018 11:30 PM (rJUlF)

317 There ain't no torture you can find in the woods around Penn State worse
than what Prof. Michael Mann hasn't already performed upon climate
data.
Professor Mann in the showers up the data's ass.

Posted by: Clue at April 23, 2018 11:30 PM (VBKy9)

318

Here it is live with Mick Taylor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpwsTyD6XQg

I'd never seen a Bigsby whammy bar on a Les Paul before that. At least I think it's a Bigsby.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at April 23, 2018 11:30 PM (GdWl+)

319 Mick Taylor >Ronnie Wood & Keith Richards

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2018 11:24 PM

Absolutely!

Posted by: otho at April 23, 2018 11:30 PM (7xR2D)

320 I do have to admit that Kamala Harris is a 1.
Posted by: rickl at April 23, 2018 11:24 PM (sdi6R)

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She is, on the binary scale. She would need to come with a ball gag to get her to STFU about her Marxists ideas though,

Posted by: Calm Mentor at April 23, 2018 11:30 PM (NIRP2)

321 Must be nice. I guess.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at April 23, 2018 11:10 PM (GdWl+)

I have some very wealthy friends. They have problems too. They have cancer, sick kids etc.

The only thing money seems to do is make them more comfortable. You need to be at city of hope tomorrow for a treatment, they take their jet.
It buys comfort, not freedom from problems.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 23, 2018 11:31 PM (2DYau)

322 313 Dec 7th Truther - I wonder who he thinks attacked Manila on the same day, and bombed Darwin, Australia a couple months later. Or who raped Manchuria and enslaved Singapore.

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I heard the Joooz didn't come into work in those cities that day. Coincidence?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 23, 2018 11:31 PM (IEVqH)

323 313 Dec 7th Truther - I wonder who he thinks attacked Manila on the same day, and bombed Darwin, Australia a couple months later. Or who raped Manchuria and enslaved Singapore.

The Germans?

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at April 23, 2018 11:32 PM (UFLLM)

324 "Sticky Fingers" is one of those albums in which every song is great, and the album art is iconic. What other albums would fit that bill?

Posted by: josephistan at April 23, 2018 11:32 PM (ANIFC)

325 Traveling down through Georgia today on I-75, was surprised at the number of roadside attractions called "Plantation," as in maybe, "Fireworks Plantation."

Aren't POCs triggered by that word?

Posted by: Les Kinetic at April 23, 2018 11:32 PM (rpA/5)

326 I get that. Revolver easily challenges TWA... it's that good. In regards Sticky Fingers, everything converged for a monumentally good LP. As famous as it is, it is still under rated.
Posted by: otho

Revolver changed everything. And Moonlight Mile is way underrated.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at April 23, 2018 11:32 PM (+Tibp)

327 Time for me to go to bed now.

I have to get up early to go buy some green gasoline.

It's 98 octane racing fuel with 0% ethanol, which I use in my lawnmower and other yard equipment.

It's actually colored green.

Posted by: rickl at April 23, 2018 11:32 PM (sdi6R)

328 I often try to imagine what it would be like to win a big pot in the lottery.

Thinking about winning is much easier than winning.

I'm good at thinking about things.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Not Woke atall at April 23, 2018 11:32 PM (roQNm)

329 Sticky Fingers > White Album

Let's really figure this out. First of all, Rock songs on the White Album (IMO)
Back in the USSR
Glass Onion
While My Guitar Gently Weeps
Why Don't We Do It In The Road
Birthday
Yer Blues
Everybody's Got Something to Hide Except for Me and My Monkey
Helter Skelter
Revolution 1
Savoy Truffle

Posted by: booknlass at April 23, 2018 11:32 PM (xGMkv)

330 Pretty sure the road to hell is paved with cash refusers.

Posted by: pretty sure at April 23, 2018 11:33 PM (Ymy4N)

331 Sorry it took me so long to post again.

I could have died earlier.

Posted by: trev006 at April 23, 2018 11:33 PM (L5b58)

332 303--Not Roosevelt. But I wouldn't be surprised if Churchill knew. He badly wanted us in the war and he was always an England Firster and he knew his country only had a chance if we were in the war alongside it.....

Posted by: JoeF. at April 23, 2018 11:33 PM (mc8++)

333 320 I do have to admit that Kamala Harris is a 1.
Posted by: rickl at April 23, 2018 11:24 PM (sdi6R)

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She is, on the binary scale. She would need to come with a ball gag to get her to STFU about her Marxists ideas though,
Posted by: Calm Mentor at April 23, 2018 11:30 PM (NIRP2)

I woulda hit that when she was 30. Who knows if she actually believes any of that crap or if she learned the art of power politics from past master Willie Brown.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 23, 2018 11:33 PM (h2Bdk)

334

Going to a credit only joint is fine if you're using a stolen card.

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at April 23, 2018 11:34 PM (UFLLM)

335 I'm good at thinking about things.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse
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Don't bother me. I'm thinking.

Posted by: Ralphie at April 23, 2018 11:35 PM (c/EDo)

336 332 303--Not Roosevelt. But I wouldn't be surprised if Churchill knew. He badly wanted us in the war and he was always an England Firster and he knew his country only had a chance if we were in the war alongside it....."

I doubt Pearl Harbor, but I think you can make a good case that 20 something years earlier, Churchill had a hand in setting up the Lusitania for a hit.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 23, 2018 11:35 PM (V2Yro)

337 Bob Seger would top that list.
Posted by: Hedmonster Bolt at April 23, 2018 11:28 PM (BXzcL)

A co-worker told this story to me:

He was working the night shift at his station while Seger was in town for a show. The station was doing a "concert echo"...someone at the concert would call the station, tell the DJ what was being played at the show. Then he would play that song on the air.

After the show, while the DJ finished the concert echo setlist, the doorbell rang. My co-worker looked through the peephole...and there was Bob Seger. He had been listening to the station after the show, and wanted to stop by to say thanks for the support.

The DJ let him in, and Seger talked with him on the air for about 15 minutes before leaving. Bob gave the guy a couple of T-shirts and let the DJ take a photo of them together, so the DJ could prove to his wife that it really happened.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at April 23, 2018 11:36 PM (rJUlF)

338 The only thing money seems to do is make them more comfortable. You need to be at city of hope tomorrow for a treatment, they take their jet.
It buys comfort, not freedom from problems.
Posted by: CaliGirl

"This Is The Life"
Weird Al

You're dead for a real long time
You just can't prevent it
So if money can't buy happiness
I guess I'll have to rent it

youtube.com/watch?v=N1n5XqwUkYw

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 23, 2018 11:36 PM (LNPd9)

339 329, yes but the only really good song on that list are Back in the USSR and While My Guitar Gently Weeps. I'd throw in Glass Onion and Savoy Truffle too.
The rest is second rate....

Posted by: JoeF. at April 23, 2018 11:36 PM (mc8++)

340 308 Musicians who are Dicks, Lot quicker to list those who aren't. Bob Seger would top that list.

Posted by: Hedmonster Bolt at April 23, 2018 11:28 PM (BXzcL)

Sammy Hagar is supposed to be one of the nicest guys in Rock.

Posted by: buzzion at April 23, 2018 11:37 PM (cAnNx)

341 332 303--Not Roosevelt. But I wouldn't be surprised if Churchill knew. He badly wanted us in the war and he was always an England Firster and he knew his country only had a chance if we were in the war alongside it.....
Posted by: JoeF. at April 23, 2018 11:33 PM (mc8++)

I think Churchill was genuinely surprised. The diary entry just seems too real: "Being saturated and satiated with emotion and sensation, I went to bed and slept the sleep of the saved and thankful."

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 23, 2018 11:37 PM (h2Bdk)

342

Don't bother me. I'm thinking.

I tried to think, but nuttin' happened!

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at April 23, 2018 11:37 PM (GdWl+)

343 324 "Sticky Fingers" is one of those albums in which every song is great, and the album art is iconic. What other albums would fit that bill?
Posted by: josephistan at April 23, 2018 11:32 PM (ANIFC)

Steppenwolf's For Ladies Only and The Dickmobile is pretty good.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2018 11:38 PM (3Pma+)

344 Would your credit card company have to let you pay your bill in cash ?

Posted by: pretty sure at April 23, 2018 11:38 PM (Ymy4N)

345 Bob Seger always struck me as the genuine article Bruce Springsteen was trying to imitate.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 23, 2018 11:38 PM (h2Bdk)

346 314 It's no accident that The Stones put out their best singles when Brian Jones was in the band and their best ALBUMS when Mick Taylor was in the band.
Nothing against Ron Wood ( speaking of nice chaps) but The Stones have been trading water since he joined......43 years ago.

In defense of Wood, 'Stay with Me' was one of the great intro riffs ever and by the time he joined the Stones that load was shot.

Posted by: Hedmonster Bolt at April 23, 2018 11:39 PM (BXzcL)

347 336, I wasn't implying that Churchill had a hand in Pearl Harbor, only that he knew before it happened and didn't warn us. I'm convinced.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 23, 2018 11:39 PM (mc8++)

348 344 Would your credit card company have to let you pay your bill in cash ?
Posted by: pretty sure at April 23, 2018 11:38 PM (Ymy4N)

Probably, but you might have to fly to Delaware.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 23, 2018 11:39 PM (h2Bdk)

349 Don't bother me. I'm thinking.

Pretty sure "thinking" is vastly overrated

The future is stinking

Posted by: pretty sure at April 23, 2018 11:40 PM (Ymy4N)

350 The WWII generation probably didn't have much tolerance for that shit.
Posted by: nerdygirl at April 23, 2018 11:16 PM (+lVUW)

The Best Years of our Lives, IIRC, there was a conspiracy theorist. Just like the current ones he liked to make cryptic statements ... a bit too cowardly to come out right away and call everyone around him "little eichmanns".

One of the major characters gets fired when he punches the guy, and he walks out with no regrets.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 23, 2018 11:40 PM (rnAwa)

351 Family's old cattle dog saves little girl's life in Australia
link in sock

Posted by: andycanuck at April 23, 2018 11:41 PM (VBKy9)

352 347 336, I wasn't implying that Churchill had a hand in Pearl Harbor, only that he knew before it happened and didn't warn us. I'm convinced.
Posted by: JoeF. at April 23, 2018 11:39 PM (mc8++)

But wouldn't warning us have been just as good?

Posted by: eleven at April 23, 2018 11:41 PM (+lOpA)

353 -Not Roosevelt. But I wouldn't be surprised if Churchill knew. He badly wanted us in the war and he was always an England Firster and he knew his country only had a chance if we were in the war alongside it.....
Posted by: JoeF.
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Little known memo from Churchill to Tojo;
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December 6, 1941

You sad little frightened Jap bastard. You don't have the balls to fuck with the United States.

Best Regards,
Winston

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 23, 2018 11:41 PM (7ThJ3)

354 Moonlight Mile is one of the great unheralded Stones tracks. Perfect arrangement.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 23, 2018 11:41 PM (mc8++)

355 351 Family's old cattle dog saves little girl's life in Australia
link in sock
Posted by: andycanuck at April 23, 2018 11:41 PM (VBKy9)

What a good heeler! I love queenslands, they are the best dogs.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 23, 2018 11:42 PM (2DYau)

356 It's no accident that The Stones put out their best singles when Brian Jones was in the band and their best ALBUMS when Mick Taylor was in the band.
Nothing against Ron Wood ( speaking of nice chaps) but The Stones have been trading water since he joined......43 years ago.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 23, 2018 11:30 PM

The weird thing with Wood is that for about 12 months, he actually brought something different to the table. Not as an answer to to the void that Taylor left, but when he was still in Faces mode of guitar playing, it kind of worked for the new stuff anyway. I've got bootlegs from that period and they actually sound good. Different, but good. But he quickly shifted to aping Richards (by his own admission) in order to sound more "Stones". This resulted in not only the old tunes sounding naff, but the new ones too.

Posted by: otho at April 23, 2018 11:42 PM (7xR2D)

357 Wasn't Brad Thor the sooper jeneeus who got onto a live stream and joked about assassinating DJT when he was a candidate? *looks it up* Ayep, that's the guy. On Glenn Beck's show no less, a true haven of sanity.

This song's for you, Brad -
youtube.com/watch?v=3yEcTB2va5E

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at April 23, 2018 11:42 PM (6FqZa)

358 >> Would your credit card company have to let you pay your bill in cash ?

You sign a contract before they let you start using it, and I'm sure there are all sorts of things you agree to about payment.

But in the end, if you walked into their office to settle your debt, they would have have to accept cash money payment.

I'm sure the lawyers and judges have put much nuance into all this process.

Posted by: publius, the Persistently Priapic Poperin Pear at April 23, 2018 11:42 PM (8O3HH)

359 Little known memo from Churchill to Tojo;
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December 6, 1941

You sad little frightened Jap bastard. You don't have the balls to fuck with the United States.

Best Regards,
Winston
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 23, 2018 11:41 PM (7ThJ3)

Okay, that made me laugh.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 23, 2018 11:42 PM (h2Bdk)

360 The Best Years of our Lives, IIRC, there was a conspiracy theorist. Just like the current ones he liked to make cryptic statements ... a bit too cowardly to come out right away and call everyone around him "little eichmanns".
Posted by: BourbonChicken

There's a scene in In Harm's Way where John Wayne's son refers to "Mr Roosevelt's War". The Duke didn't like that.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at April 23, 2018 11:42 PM (+Tibp)

361 While I think Unions are well beyond their "best if used by" date, Sir Paul has not to worry about a simple thing like a grievance being filed.

He would never know about it, and it would not ever even enter into his view of the world.
Posted by: Calm Mentor

I agree that unions are on their way out. But if union members want to eat a ham sandwich, there's not much McCartney can do about it other than to bitch. The kind of union members that were around when I was a kid would have laughed right in his face.

Remember those Chrysler employees that made national news because they were caught going to some park on their lunch hour and were drinking alcohol and smoking joints? They got their jobs back.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 23, 2018 11:43 PM (+lVUW)

362 The Best Years of our Lives, IIRC, there was a conspiracy theorist. Just like the current ones he liked to make cryptic statements ... a bit too cowardly to come out right away and call everyone around him "little eichmanns".

That's an incredible movie - I can't think of anything before or since that has dealt with the issues of veterans coming back home so sympathetically, and so honestly.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 23, 2018 11:44 PM (V2Yro)

363

It buys comfort, not freedom from problems.

Makes the problems less so when you have the wherewithal to deal with them properly. Some never return to bother you again. That would be nice, too.

And on that C-note, it's Bedtime for Bonzo.

Y'all try to behave.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at April 23, 2018 11:44 PM (GdWl+)

364 352, I guess if you put it that way-either way , we'd be in the war. But remember the country was isolationist and many people would have been skeptical if Roosevelt said, 'The Japs TRIED to attack us. Let's go to war!"

Posted by: JoeF. at April 23, 2018 11:44 PM (mc8++)

365 299 Beaver Banquet > Beggars Banquet
Posted by: pretty sure at April 23, 2018 11:27 PM (Ymy4N)

I can think of someone that prefers a ficus banquet. although, sometimes, he dresses me up with a merkin for "special" occassions. special meaning extra pervy but the begonias won't put out the root stuff.

Posted by: publius's ficus at April 23, 2018 11:44 PM (TTItA)

366 So...I just found out about the Alfie Jones story, and I'm back to hating humanity again.

https://tinyurl.com/ycs365kp

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at April 23, 2018 11:44 PM (rJUlF)

367 On universal basic income, how/why is that different from Alaska's permanent fund dividend? Can we draw any conclusions from it? Any Alaskans have anything to say on the subject pro/con?

Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at April 23, 2018 11:44 PM (H5knJ)

368 Okay, that made me laugh.
Posted by: Ace's liver at April 23, 2018 11:42 PM (h2Bdk)

You guys always crack me up, that is funny.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 23, 2018 11:44 PM (2DYau)

369 Moonlight Mile is one of the great unheralded Stones tracks. Perfect arrangement.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 23, 2018 11:41 PM

Possibly their greatest track. All Taylor and Jagger on guitar, no Richards!

Posted by: otho at April 23, 2018 11:45 PM (7xR2D)

370 Joe F., I'm not finished, not even close, but your input is interesting. thank you for that. I'm not saying all those song I listed are great, just that they're ROCK and not something else.

Rock songs on Sticky Fingers (IMO)
Brown Sugar
Sway
Wild Horses
Can't you hear me Knocking
Bitch

Posted by: booknlass at April 23, 2018 11:45 PM (xGMkv)

371 P.S. And four years from now I shall not be radioactive.

Posted by: zombie sir winston churchill at April 23, 2018 11:45 PM (VBKy9)

372 Boulton is an example of the problem.
If you cannot keep your meetings straight then let your security folks do it for you. I suspect you are too busy making sure your seat is at the head of the table.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 23, 2018 11:46 PM (0tfLf)

373 364 352, I guess if you put it that way-either way , we'd be in the war. But remember the country was isolationist and many people would have been skeptical if Roosevelt said, 'The Japs TRIED to attack us. Let's go to war!"
Posted by: JoeF. at April 23, 2018 11:44 PM (mc8++)

They still would have attacked. People still would have died. Ships still would have sunk.

And Churchill would have helped us.

Posted by: eleven at April 23, 2018 11:46 PM (+lOpA)

374 What would Churchill have to gain by not telling the US about an impending attack?

1) if the Japanese did not attack Pearl Harbor, does that mean they would never have provoked war with the US? That is like saying if the Confederates had just not fired on Fort Sumpter, there would have been no Civil War.

The Japanese did not go to war with the USA because they attacked Pearl Harbor, they attacked Pearl Harbor because they went to war with the USA.

2) If Churchill had warned the Americans with his inside knowledge and they were ready to defeat the attack, does that mean no war between Japan and the US because we stopped a few ships from sinking?

Posted by: Quint at April 23, 2018 11:47 PM (n13/j)

375 It's likely Churchill suspected. Hell, the US was doing everything possible to goad the Japanese to attack, and the Japanese ambassador to Germany hinted an attack was in the offing. So if Churchill had good intelligence from Germany... maybe. But the exact time and place?

Contemporary strategists were sure the attack would come in the Philippines.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 23, 2018 11:47 PM (h2Bdk)

376 I will shun restaurants that shun cash.

Recently some banks/credit card companies said they wouldn't process transactions with gun sellers. How long before they start to widen that list to other 'icky' business - like Christian businesses? I want the option to pay cash pretty much where ever I go.

Posted by: Lily at April 23, 2018 11:47 PM (5Rl8X)

377 Bitch is such a cool song, so is Sway.....

Posted by: JoeF. at April 23, 2018 11:47 PM (mc8++)

378 Best Years of Our Lives: The man who lost his hands came through without PTSD. Even as a kid seeing that movie I learned a valuable lesson from that.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 23, 2018 11:47 PM (rnAwa)

379 Rock songs on Sticky Fingers (IMO)
Brown Sugar
Sway
Wild Horses
Can't you hear me Knocking
Bitch
Posted by: booknlass

Also (not arguing) You got to move and Sister Morphine.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at April 23, 2018 11:47 PM (+Tibp)

380 Chromatics : - - -
youtube.com/watch?v=6XOYkAM_Djs

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at April 23, 2018 11:47 PM (6FqZa)

381 those albums in which every song is great, and the album art is iconic. What other albums would fit that bill?
Posted by: josephistan

Dark Side of the Moon

Posted by: booknlass at April 23, 2018 11:48 PM (xGMkv)

382 345 Bob Seger always struck me as the genuine article Bruce Springsteen was trying to imitate.
Posted by: Ace's liver at April 23, 2018 11:38 PM (h2Bdk)

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Great songwriter too.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 23, 2018 11:48 PM (IEVqH)

383 In other words, lazy ass freeloaders are smarter than liberal policy makers.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 23, 2018 10:32 PM (+lVUW)

From what I remember, that UBI bullshit also had a stipulation: you get the basic monthly free cash money, but you also don't get any other gubmint benefits - no additional welfare, health care, etc. The theory was that in teh long run, the gubmint would be spending less.
That is actually an intriguing idea, in theory.

But, humans.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at April 23, 2018 11:49 PM (8iiMU)

384 Posted by: booknlass at April 23, 2018 11:45 PM (xGMkv)

My hate for Brown Sugar equals my hate for Hillary Clinton.

In HS my brother's band played that GD song over and over and over and over and over again. But hey, let's play it again and again and again.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2018 11:49 PM (3Pma+)

385 Posted by: nerdygirl at April 23, 2018 11:43 PM (+lVUW)

I hate unions, they fight dirty.

My friend in high school, her mom worked for the grocery store union. They were getting ready for a strike. They were talking about putting nails and glass in the parking lot of the grocery store they were going to picket.
I was apolitical at the time but that stuck with me.
I crossed the line with those union members screaming at me. Grown adults, it was shocking leftist behavior.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 23, 2018 11:49 PM (2DYau)

386 what makes a visit a State visit? Why wasn't (or was it?) the Japanese leader and his wife last week a State visit?
Posted by: booknlass at April 23, 2018 10:57 PM (xGMkv)

-------------------------------------

Prime Minister Abe is not a head of state. Emperor Akihito is head of state of Japan.

Posted by: RioBravo at April 23, 2018 11:50 PM (giT7q)

387 Okay, maybe Sticky Fingers edges out Beggar's Banquet. You've convinced me.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at April 23, 2018 11:50 PM (+Tibp)

388 The Japs also attacked the Anglo-Indian-Canadian garrison on Hong Kong on the 8th that they hadn't been prepared for; Singapore itself was also bombed on the 8th, with the peninsula being invaded the same day (falling in Feb. '42).

Posted by: andycanuck at April 23, 2018 11:51 PM (VBKy9)

389 Captain Whitebread and Ace's liver, cool and yup. :-) :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 11:51 PM (eMKNe)

390 I think someone else here also had a story about serving Bob Seger breakfast at their diner once, and that he was a great guy.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 11:52 PM (eMKNe)

391 Somehow young leftists have convinced themselves only a few percent of working people will stop if they get UBI, and that too many people derive fulfillment from work to make a difference.

If you're a highly paid developer at an exciting startup it's easy to think "I would do this for free", but nobody who's worked a fry vat thinks only 3% of the population would quit their jobs.
Posted by: Ace's liver

It would be kind of fun to see some lefty stronghold like Portland, Seattle, Los Angeles, or San Francisco try it. It would be a magnet for derelicts, winos, dopers, and lazy asses everywhere.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 23, 2018 11:52 PM (+lVUW)

392 Yes, monarchs are usually just Head of State; while P.M.s are Head of Government, at least in British/Commonwealth usage.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 23, 2018 11:52 PM (VBKy9)

393 324 "Sticky Fingers" is one of those albums in which every song is great, and the album art is iconic. What other albums would fit that bill?
Posted by: josephistan at April 23, 2018 11:32 PM (ANIFC)

I liked the cars first album. The cover for Candy-O was a great cover.
I was a teenage girl.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 23, 2018 11:53 PM (2DYau)

394 369---yeah but Keith got the co-writing credit ( as per his partnership with Jagger) not Taylor.
Mick and Keith were dicks when it came to sharing credits with Taylor. He practically wrote Time Waits for No One --another great unheralded Stones classic from the under rated It's Only Rock and Roll album--and got shit. That was one of the reasons he left. And then tears later when the put out Waiting on a Friend--which grew out of the jam session for Time Waits for No One, they didn't even credit Taylor for playing guitar on that track.
Ironically Wood has several co-write credits with Mick and Keith....

Posted by: JoeF. at April 23, 2018 11:53 PM (mc8++)

395 Germany really got snookered by Japan in WW II. The Germans were desperate for the Japanese to open up a second front for the Soviets by attacking Vladivostok - Stalin was already stretched to the breaking point and would have had trouble fighting off the Germans if he had to send troops eastward. The Japanese hinted they were open to the possibility, but first the Germans had to agree to go to war with Japan's enemies.

The only reason Hitler declared war on the US is he was holding out hope for Japan's attack on the USSR. If he realized they had no intention of ever doing it, he probably wouldn't have declared war on us, and Roosevelt would have been unable to help the Brits - public opinion in the US was still against war in Europe.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 23, 2018 11:53 PM (h2Bdk)

396 so, good news, cops in arvada slapped the irons on some couple that had some special dog rape chamber. go colorado.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 23, 2018 11:53 PM (MTjB1)

397 I shouldn't say this, but some of Bruce Springsteen's stuff, particularly his early- to mid-70s material, sounds like he was imitating Van Morrison.

In particular, "Tenth Avenue Freezeout."

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 11:53 PM (eMKNe)

398 367 On universal basic income, how/why is that different from Alaska's permanent fund dividend? Can we draw any conclusions from it? Any Alaskans have anything to say on the subject pro/con?
Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at April 23, 2018 11:44 PM (H5knJ)

Well, the difference is that the Permanent Fund is comprised of oil dollars, all of which belong to the people of Alaska by our State Constitution. The money does NOT belong to the State, but to the people. The framers wisely saw to it that the resources of the State do not belong to any government, but to the individuals who built and continue to build this state.

Guaranteed income is welfare, and we know how well that works in the long run.

Nobody is getting rich from the PFD, but I put my son's away every year and when he is 18, he will have a nice down payment or education fund or nest egg.

A significant portion of the Samoan population here tends to have 17 kids and lives off their PFD part of the year while dealing drugs and running guns to pay for the rest of their livelihood. Probably not what it was intended for, but to each his own, I guess, right up until they end up in jail.

Most folks just buy a refrigerator or take a nice sunny vacation or something.

It isn't something you base your life upon.

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 23, 2018 11:53 PM (NXsWM)

399 The Japs also attacked the Anglo-Indian-Canadian garrison on Hong Kong on the 8th that they hadn't been prepared for; Singapore itself was also bombed on the 8th, with the peninsula being invaded the same day (falling in Feb. '42).
Posted by: andycanuck

And Singapore was supposed to be the citadel that would never fall. Yet 60,000 Allied soldiers surrendered without much of a fight to a force less than half its size. Japan was on a roll.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at April 23, 2018 11:53 PM (+Tibp)

400 The Japs also attacked the Anglo-Indian-Canadian
garrison on Hong Kong on the 8th that they hadn't been prepared for;
Singapore itself was also bombed on the 8th, with the peninsula being
invaded the same day (falling in Feb. '42).

Posted by: andycanuck at April 23, 2018 11:51 PM (VBKy
Churchill and Churchill. next.

Posted by: Quint at April 23, 2018 11:53 PM (n13/j)

401 Jagger is an avid antique collector and may have the best taste of all the musicians. Once when I was on a buying trip in London, the dealer that I had purchased a large awesome looking glass from that very day called me and ask if I would "sell it on". I declined and said it was slated for a stateside client, not wanting to let on to the dealer the profit margin which operated under.He then explained to me that it was for "Master Mick". However, the dealer wouldn't let me talk to Jagger and he didn't make me an offer. You don't always get what you want

Posted by: REDACTED at April 23, 2018 11:54 PM (Ymy4N)

402 Who's Next is another great album with an iconic cover.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 23, 2018 11:54 PM (mc8++)

403 Taylor for playing guitar on that track.
Ironically Wood has several co-write credits with Mick and Keith....
Posted by: JoeF. at April 23, 2018 11:53 PM (mc8++)

IIRC Wood had Taylor play on his solo LP

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2018 11:54 PM (3Pma+)

404 My hate for Brown Sugar equals my hate for Hillary Clinton.

In HS my brother's band played that GD song over and over and over and over and over again. But hey, let's play it again and again and again.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2018 11:49 PM

That sucks. I cannot imagine how Brown Sugar could lead to hate... oh wait, I can. If played badly and over and over again. Egads. It cannot be played without the right tuning. Even good bands butcher it if not done as per the original tuning.

Posted by: otho at April 23, 2018 11:54 PM (7xR2D)

405 It's likely Churchill suspected. Hell, the US was doing everything possible to goad the Japanese to attack, and the Japanese ambassador to Germany hinted an attack was in the offing. So if Churchill had good intelligence from Germany... maybe. But the exact time and place?
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I don't think Churchill knew, There's certainly no evidence of it.

OTOH, the U.S. was damned certain that the Japs were going to attack, the only question was when and where. The defense brass had issued orders that units should consider themselves to be on war footing.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 23, 2018 11:55 PM (Zdm89)

406 392 Yes, monarchs are usually just Head of State; while P.M.s are Head of Government, at least in British/Commonwealth usage.
Posted by: andycanuck at April 23, 2018 11:52 PM (VBKy9)

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You know who was head of state AND head of government?

*hums Deutschland Uber Alles*

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 23, 2018 11:55 PM (IEVqH)

407 okay so I've laid out what I'm going to compare here. (329 and 370.) I've left out songs from both albums that I classify as blues, folk, country, novelty or whatever, some tangential genre of rock.

so now, in my opinion, the greatest rock song out of all 17:

Brown Sugar

But there's a lot more to be said, I believe.

Posted by: booknlass at April 23, 2018 11:55 PM (xGMkv)

408 Living in muscle shoals I run into the muscle shoals swampers regularly. They owned the studio where part of sticky fingers was recorded. Several of them play local venues regularly. Good people.

I was in a restaurant one day and two guys behind me were talking about a musician I played with every week. I started talking to them and asked if they were pickers. Turned out both were in Alabama music hall of fame and one had been lead guitar for Steppenwolf. Kinda embarrassing.

Posted by: Unclezeb at April 23, 2018 11:55 PM (OGqa4)

409 Redacted, if you could have spoken to Mr. Jagger, would you have let him buy it?

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 11:55 PM (eMKNe)

410 one of those albums in which every song is great, and the album art is iconic. What other albums would fit that bill?

'Sup.

Posted by: unknown pleasures at April 23, 2018 11:55 PM (6FqZa)

411 396 so, good news, cops in arvada slapped the irons on some couple that had some special dog rape chamber. go colorado.
Posted by: yankeefifth at April 23, 2018 11:53 PM (MTjB1)

wtf?!

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at April 23, 2018 11:56 PM (TTItA)

412 Legal Tender laws don't really work the way oeople commonly think. "All debts public and private" means just that, for debts. A business can refuse cash (or any other kind of payment) because no debt has yet been incurred. Note too they could, in theory, refuse credit cards, or specify "cash only". The seller decides how how he (or she) wants to be paid.

Where cash must be accepted is in the payment of an existing debt. For taxes, or fines, or the car payment etc. Government entities or business don't much like cash, for obvious reason but they will accept it. At least for now.

Posted by: Common Tater at April 23, 2018 11:56 PM (/OEmT)

413 JoeF., I've read the cover of "Who's Next" is actually supposed to be a spoof of... the monolith in 2001.

Makes sense if you think about it.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 11:56 PM (eMKNe)

414 "Sticky Fingers" is one of those albums in which every song is great, and the album art is iconic. What other albums would fit that bill?

Posted by: josephistan at April 23, 2018 11:32 PM (ANIFC)

Roxy's first,

Here Come The Warm Jets - Eno, and
Another Green World - Eno, and
Taking Tiger Mountain - Eno.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 23, 2018 11:56 PM (8gDQu)

415 There is some weapons-grade bullshit in those award-winning press photos.
Photo journalists were among the first to appoint and anoint themselves.
Saviors of humanity, every last one of them. And that was in black and white.

Why wouldn't you just assume that every rock star, at this late date, would be, like everybody in every aspect of show business, a total asshole? Do you suppose these people are your "Friends" somehow? But I remember stumbling across a good one years ago:

Simon and Garfunkel had just played a date at Bard College, and a lit student who moonlighted as a cabbie picked up Art as a fare, incognito. And Garfunkel, thinking himself unrecognized, asked the driver what sort of music was big in those parts. "Oh, folk duos," the guy says, and then goes to list every single folk duo ever, including, like, Bud and Travis, and Fraser and DeBolt, except for Simon and You-know-who.

And he watched in the mirror as Garfunkel got more and more pissed off without being able to say anything about it, until finally he had the cabbie pull over and he paid off and sprang, maybe for someplace he'd be better known.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 23, 2018 11:56 PM (H5rtT)

416 Someone rang?

Posted by: violator at April 23, 2018 11:56 PM (6FqZa)

417 Just got 3 Days Of The Condor on bluray.
Hope it's good. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 11:56 PM (eMKNe)

418 397---it's Bruce's second album The Wild and the Innocent--that apes Morrison the most.But it's still my favorite Bruce album....

Posted by: JoeF. at April 23, 2018 11:56 PM (mc8++)

419 And Singapore was supposed to be the citadel that would never fall. Yet 60,000 Allied soldiers surrendered without much of a fight to a force less than half its size. Japan was on a roll.
Posted by: Blutarski-esque
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A disaster. The Brits had assumed that any attack would come from seaward.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 23, 2018 11:57 PM (Zdm89)

420 I may turn up later in the middle of the night. You all Rock, be well.

Posted by: Farmer at April 23, 2018 11:57 PM (yJ1e6)

421 I was listening to KKJZ at work today.

I learned there's a female jazz singer, not sure of her name, who's doing a concert in a few weeks here in SoCal where she's going to sing the entirety of the album...

"Remain In Light," by Talking Heads. Oookay.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 11:57 PM (eMKNe)

422 got here at poast #60...

but didn't comment, because #idiot

i'm afraid to see where we are naow.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 23, 2018 11:58 PM (xN9Bo)

423 Dark Side of the Moon

Posted by: booknlass at April 23, 2018 11:48 PM (xGMkv)

Every few years, when I find myself alone save for the cats, and moved to reverie by a surfeit of spirits, I'll dissolve into melancholy and emotion.

Dark Side of the Moon finds it's way onto the spinner, and I'll pour ever more bourbon as the album plays on.

Where the music demands, the volume cranks up till the amp cries for mercy, the speakers mightily strain, but reliably deliver.

A journey back in time, to youthful places, discoveries, experiences, memories, joys and regrets.

By time the final notes drip from the midrange, I am sated, transported back and then forth to the present, refreshed, alive and renewed by that which is old, and cannot be experienced again.

Or, can it?

Damn shame I've to work tomorrow.

I'd drink more, and spin up the system.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 23, 2018 11:59 PM (QzJWU)

424 so, good news, cops in arvada slapped the irons on some couple that had some special dog rape chamber. go colorado.
Posted by: yankeefifth at April 23, 2018 11:53 PM (MTjB1)

wtf?!
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at April

guess everyone is bolting out of louisiana since they passed their beastiality law last week. may as well go to colorado, do dog and weed together.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 23, 2018 11:59 PM (MTjB1)

425 413---makes sense. Just the title "Who's Next?" after 4 guys just took a piss .
That really appealed to a thirteen year old kid, you know?

Posted by: JoeF. at April 23, 2018 11:59 PM (mc8++)

426 Where cash must be accepted is in the payment of an existing debt. For taxes, or fines, or the car payment etc. Government entities or business don't much like cash, for obvious reason but they will accept it. At least for now.
Posted by: Common Tater at April 23, 2018 11:56 PM (/OEmT)

Yeah, you can still pay your taxes in cash. The IRS hates it, and they don't really have a system set up to deal with it. I'd always imagined, you know, armored trains crossing the country with cash from the holdouts, but surprisingly they lock it up for awhile, and once everything goes though... they destroy it.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 24, 2018 12:00 AM (h2Bdk)

427 Stringer Davis, at the original Quora thread I cited about jerky rock artists, one of the comments is about Art.

The writer said his friend once was stuck on tour with "Art Garkle." He asked said friend why he called him that instead of his actual name, and the guy responded "because there's absolutely NOTHING 'fun' about that guy." ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 24, 2018 12:00 AM (eMKNe)

428 Goodnight Farmer.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 24, 2018 12:00 AM (2DYau)

429 Sorry for your trauma, Mis Hum. Really I am. I'm just talking about the song itself, as it was played on the album.

poor Mis Hum. hitting his head against the wall because of the terrible band playing it over and over.

my neighbor in the trailer park after I dropped out of college started every day by playing Dream On at the volume of 11.

Posted by: booknlass at April 24, 2018 12:00 AM (xGMkv)

430 g;night guys....

Posted by: JoeF. at April 24, 2018 12:00 AM (mc8++)

431 JoeF., correct. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 24, 2018 12:01 AM (eMKNe)

432 Another jerky rock artist mentioned in the Quora piece is, of course, Roger Waters.

As for me personally, I've decided I don't want to buy anything Pink Floyd at all, ever again, until he's dead.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 24, 2018 12:02 AM (eMKNe)

433 Posted by: Ace's liver at April 24, 2018 12:00 AM (h2Bdk)

It's printed right on the money:

"This note is legal tender for all debts, public and private"

I don't think anyone can legally not accept cash as payment for any debt.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 24, 2018 12:02 AM (8gDQu)

434
That's an incredible movie - I can't think of anything before or since that has dealt with the issues of veterans coming back home so sympathetically, and so honestly.
Posted by: Tom Servo

The Men and Bright Victory are a couple of others.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0042727

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0043361

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 24, 2018 12:02 AM (IqV8l)

435 324 "Sticky Fingers" is one of those albums in which every song is great, and the album art is iconic. What other albums would fit that bill?
Posted by: josephistan at April 23, 2018 11:32 PM (ANIFC)

Yes Fragile

Posted by: Hedmonster Bolt at April 24, 2018 12:03 AM (BXzcL)

436 The scene that always touched me the most in "Best Years of our Lives" is when the father of the man who's lost his hands gets him ready for bed, and the power and emotion of that scene is that there are no words, and neither of them show their emotions at all. The father serves the son efficiently and silently, and the feeling implicit throughout is that yeah, life gets real hard sometimes, but when that happens, men find a way to deal with it and do what needs to be done without drama, without complaint, because that's what real men do. Deal with life as best they can, reacting the same way to the good parts and to the bad.

as you say, there's a lot of lessons in that one.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 24, 2018 12:03 AM (V2Yro)

437 Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at April 23, 2018 11:59 PM (QzJWU)

My older brother used to play that album all the time with his friends and smoke dope when our parents were out.

I like the song money.
"I think i need a lear jet"

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 24, 2018 12:03 AM (2DYau)

438 I don't think anyone can legally not accept cash as payment for any debt.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 24, 2018 12:02 AM (8gDQu)

Not our hill to die on.

Posted by: Mitch The Bitch and the Wienie GOP at April 24, 2018 12:03 AM (3Pma+)

439 four conversations going on simultaneously. Cool/jerk rocks singers, stores that don't take cash, Churchill and Pearl Harbor, and I forgot the fourth. Beavers I think.

Posted by: Quint at April 24, 2018 12:03 AM (n13/j)

440 spin up the system.
Jim wrote of

I miss having a neighbor maddening system.

Posted by: booknlass at April 24, 2018 12:03 AM (xGMkv)

441 409 Redacted, if you could have spoken to Mr. Jagger, would you have let him buy it?
Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 11:55 PM (eMKNe)

For the right money. Large mirrors are notoriously difficult to ship and this one had its original plates, so I could have taken less than I would have received in Dallas and still came out doing well. The great thing about buying in Europe pre-internet was they had no idea how much you marking the stuff up. They do now and act accordingly. At least I made hay while it was sunny

Posted by: REDACTED at April 24, 2018 12:04 AM (Ymy4N)

442 Quint, I think beavers have become one of the never-ending topics at the ONT, along with Paul Anna and the crew getting T-shirts.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 24, 2018 12:04 AM (eMKNe)

443 Paul ANKA!!!

Geez this mac hyperautocucumber!

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 24, 2018 12:04 AM (eMKNe)

444 404 My hate for Brown Sugar equals my hate for Hillary Clinton.

In HS my brother's band played that GD song over and over and over and over and over again. But hey, let's play it again and again and again.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2018 11:49 PM

That sucks. I cannot imagine how Brown Sugar could lead to hate... oh wait, I can. If played badly and over and over again. Egads. It cannot be played without the right tuning. Even good bands butcher it if not done as per the original tuning.
Posted by: otho at April 23, 2018 11:54 PM (7xR2D)

Open G is your friend

Posted by: Hedmonster Bolt at April 24, 2018 12:04 AM (BXzcL)

445
I miss having a neighbor maddening system.
Posted by: booknlass at April 24, 2018 12:03 AM (xGMkv)

Imagine there are no neighbors. Or wish you weren't here.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 24, 2018 12:05 AM (3Pma+)

446 Kamala Harris is a loser as well -- she'll be a big vote getter in Commiefornia. The problem is, the Dem party doesn't *need* more votes in Commiefornia. They need votes in Ohio.

Posted by: Anagram Nation

Exactly. The media people in NY, Calif., and DC don't understand that liberals and democrats in other states are not like them. You would have thought that they would have learned from the '16 election.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 24, 2018 12:06 AM (+lVUW)

447 I don't think anyone can legally not accept cash as payment for any debt.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 24, 2018 12:02 AM (8gDQu)

They can, according to the federal government. State might be a different story.

https://tinyurl.com/hde67es

Posted by: hogmartin at April 24, 2018 12:06 AM (y87Qq)

448 JoeF., I'll have to listen to that album again then. Thanks. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 24, 2018 12:06 AM (eMKNe)

449 I also want to put a vote in for Jeff Wayne's War of the Worlds as one of the great albums of all time.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 24, 2018 12:07 AM (8gDQu)

450 my neighbor in the trailer park after I dropped out of college started every day by playing Dream On at the volume of 11.
Posted by: booknlass at April 24, 2018 12:00 AM (xGMkv)

booknlass, I like brown sugar too. I was shocked when I realized what the lyrics said.
My brothers used to listen to Dream On all the time too.
I can picture the other Aerosmith album cover, toys in the attic.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 24, 2018 12:07 AM (2DYau)

451 Caligirl, I love DSOTM.

and MONEY,

'new car, caviar, four-star daydream think I'll buy me a footballlll team.'

Posted by: booknlass at April 24, 2018 12:08 AM (xGMkv)

452 417 Just got 3 Days Of The Condor on bluray.
Hope it's good. :-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at April 23, 2018 11:56 PM (eMKNe)

It's such a good movie that you don't even notice the dickhead Redford is in it

Posted by: REDACTED at April 24, 2018 12:08 AM (Ymy4N)

453 A disaster.
Yes. That's why I mentioned it when Churchill would have had no reason not to have told his own forces not to be all-ready for attacks from air and land on the 7th/8th if he had foreknowledge via Ultra.

Any sort of "that would have tipped off the Americans that he did have foreknowledge" doesn't wash because it's not worth losing, say, 100,000 troops (and civilians) in the Eastern war immediately to get the U.S. in the war; and knew the U.S. would have been too pissed off at the surprise attack/s (just like the Japs pulled in 1904 against the Russians) to have over-analyzed the situation in December to have said, "Say? How come the Brits were ready for the Japs on the 8th? They must have known and didn't tell us!!!" IMHO.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 24, 2018 12:09 AM (VBKy9)

454 417 Just got 3 Days Of The Condor on bluray.
Hope it's good. :-)

i like it. 'course the real star of the show is that pdp-8/e...

Posted by: Anachronda at April 24, 2018 12:09 AM (fA5xz)

455 The media people in NY, Calif., and DC don't understand that liberals and democrats in other states are not like them. You would have thought that they would have learned from the '16 election.
Posted by: nerdygirl at April 24, 2018 12:06 AM (+lVUW)

Here's to hoping they never learn. If Trump's election proved anything, it's that normal people don't like the identity politics that seem to obsess coastal Democrats. The response from the people who run the party seems to be to Say It Louder Until You Ignorant Hillbillies Understand Your Privilege.

I'm all for it.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 24, 2018 12:09 AM (h2Bdk)

456 Cliff Robertson and Robert Redford were the best actors of their generation.

Yes I did work in a video store, why do you ask?

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 24, 2018 12:09 AM (rnAwa)

457
I've read the cover of "Who's Next" is actually supposed to be a spoof of... the monolith in 2001.

My God, it's full of pee!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 24, 2018 12:09 AM (IqV8l)

458 Roosevelt had a good idea that Pearl Harbor would be attacked. The commander of the Pacific fleet, Richardson, adamantly opposed Roosevelt's decision to move the fleet from San Diego to Pearl. He very accurately predicted that the Japanese would attack without warning, following the example of the British attack on the Italian fleet at Taranto.

In any case, the Japanese ultimatum/declaration of war was intercepted and decrypted and sent to Admiral Stark in Washington almost three hours before Pearl was attacked. The Army intelligence officers recognized that Pearl would be attacked (still dark at 1 pm Washington time in the Philipines).

Nobody took any action, other than sending an ordinary telegram.

Posted by: Miklos Molnar at April 24, 2018 12:10 AM (zCyNd)

459 'new car, caviar, four-star daydream think I'll buy me a footballlll team.'
Posted by: booknlass at April 24, 2018 12:08 AM (xGMkv)

Right back at ya

"I'm the high fidelity first class travelin' set"

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 24, 2018 12:11 AM (2DYau)

460 I've known a lot of people in that position, and they don't seem to be any happier than the rest of us. Some people have the tendency to turn inward and just worry about their mortality, or they get bored and start taking drugs just to have something to do.

I knew a guy who made a sizable fortune off the dotcom boom, and it literally killed him.
Posted by: Ace's liver

True. Look at the personal lives and families of very rich celebrities and other people. Suicides, addiction, and multiple divorces aren't signs of happy lives.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 24, 2018 12:11 AM (+lVUW)

461 456 Cliff Robertson and Robert Redford were the best actors of their generation.

Yes I did work in a video store, why do you ask?
Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 24, 2018 12:09 AM (rnAwa)

Redford? Bah. He was a pretty boy who learned on the job. Ultimately he became merely mediocre. He was the Keanu Reeves of his generation.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 24, 2018 12:11 AM (h2Bdk)

462 Yes. That's why I mentioned it when Churchill would have had no reason not to have told his own forces not to be all-ready for attacks from air and land on the 7th/8th if he had foreknowledge via Ultra.

Any sort of "that would have tipped off the Americans that he did have foreknowledge" doesn't wash because it's not worth losing, say, 100,000 troops (and civilians) in the Eastern war immediately to get the U.S. in the war; and knew the U.S. would have been too pissed off at the surprise attack/s (just like the Japs pulled in 1904 against the Russians) to have over-analyzed the situation in December to have said, "Say? How come the Brits were ready for the Japs on the 8th? They must have known and didn't tell us!!!" IMHO.
Posted by: andycanuck at April

well, he was going to lose those troops either way.

he did not have the ability to supply them before or after the attacks. no means of getting resources to them and no resources to get to them, no way to get them out.

surprise attack by the japanese is better than we just left them there.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 24, 2018 12:12 AM (MTjB1)

463 Trailer Parks in my oilfield days, I used to go and pick up a couple of the guys who lived in one. I remember one night he said there'd been a bit of excitement, about 1 am one of the more unsavory characters in the lot burst out of his door with a .357 magnum and unloaded it into the tree over his trailer. When they were satisfied he was out of ammo, his neighbors poked up their heads and asked him " What the Fuck???" and all he said was "Gawdamn squirrels are throwin' nuts at my roof!!!!"

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 24, 2018 12:12 AM (V2Yro)

464 They can, according to the federal government. State might be a different story.

https://tinyurl.com/hde67es

Posted by: hogmartin at April 24, 2018 12:06 AM (y87Qq)

Yes, but in a restaurant or taxi cab, say, you get the product or service first and then are presented with a bill. In other words, in those cases you aren't "buying" something so much as incurring a debt to the business for services rendered prior. At the point at which you have a check on your table at the restaurant, you are not negotiating with the business over what payment they want in exchange for their food. You've already eaten the food and now have a debt to the restaurant.

I can see a business that can say it won't sell you a lawnmower unless you pay with a credit card or something, but it doesn't seem to me that a business can let you build up a debt for services rendered and then not accept legal tender as payment for that debt.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 24, 2018 12:12 AM (8gDQu)

465
"I don't think anyone can legally not accept cash as payment for any debt."

They cannot. The confusion arises because many are unclear just a debt is comprised of.

If I'm selling my 63 Biscayne, I can sell it for whatever form of payment I want. I don't have to take cash. If it is denominated in US dollars, a debtor has to accept cash as payment. This can work in your favor actually. If they refuse to take cash than the debt is (in theory) extinguished.

Posted by: Common Tater at April 24, 2018 12:12 AM (/OEmT)

466

Goddamn Willie and his goddamn Anal Intruder 3000.

On the plus side, you racist honkies are gonna look great kneeling before my throne licking the pesky anal leakage off my boots.

Posted by: Kameltoe Hairy, Queen of Mean at April 24, 2018 12:12 AM (UFLLM)

467 I don't think anyone can legally not accept cash as payment for any debt.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair
-----------

Hogmartin has it right, at 184.

A business may establish, by policy, the means by which it is to paid.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 24, 2018 12:13 AM (c/EDo)

468 Cliff Robertson and Robert Redford were the best actors of their generation.

Yes I did work in a video store, why do you ask?

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 24, 2018 12:09 AM (rnAwa)

Redford was an awful actor. And his face got really weird as he aged. Really messed up.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 24, 2018 12:13 AM (8gDQu)

469
Penn State Outing Club has existed for 98 years.

Safely.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 24, 2018 12:13 AM (S/hVx)

470 My "neighbor maddening system" is installed int he garage. a.k.a. Cigaratorium.

105 wpc JVC Super A hybrid receiver with integrated equalizer. Mid '90s vintage.

Pumping "Acoustic" brand speakers with 12" polypropelene basses, 8" midranges and titanium ribbon tweeters. Ported bass cabinets, some 27" high, etc.

They're mounted in top rear corners of garage. Which is a perfect speaker box, unto itself.

Sounds great IN the garage.

Also sounds great, two blocks away.

And yes, my neighbors always know when I'm working on projects in the garage, and it's not always the sound of a screaming table saw they're hearing out there.

*grins*

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

p.s. Concur. Yes/Fragile

Posted by: Jim at April 24, 2018 12:14 AM (QzJWU)

471 Ace's liver, normally I agree... but have you seen "All Is Lost"?

I have to admit it's pretty good... and Redford is the *only* actor in the entire movie.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 24, 2018 12:14 AM (eMKNe)

472 Bertram, LOL.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 24, 2018 12:14 AM (eMKNe)

473 Key question, could Churchill or even Roosevelt have done anything to prevent the USA from going to war with Japan?Secondly, did Germany not declare war on the USA and not the other way around?

Posted by: Quint at April 24, 2018 12:14 AM (n13/j)

474 Open G is your friend

Posted by: Hedmonster Bolt at April 24, 2018 12:04 AM

It is indeed.

Posted by: otho at April 24, 2018 12:14 AM (7xR2D)

475 Trailer Parks in my oilfield days, I used to go and pick up a couple of the guys who lived in one. I remember one night he said there'd been a bit of excitement, about 1 am one of the more unsavory characters in the lot burst out of his door with a .357 magnum and unloaded it into the tree over his trailer. When they were satisfied he was out of ammo, his neighbors poked up their heads and asked him " What the Fuck???" and all he said was "Gawdamn squirrels are throwin' nuts at my roof!!!!"
Posted by: Tom Servo at April

by

"used to go and pick up a couple of the guys who lived in one"

you mean you gave them a ride?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 24, 2018 12:15 AM (MTjB1)

476 I gotta give Redford credit for Jeremiah Johnston. That'll always be one of my favorites.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 24, 2018 12:15 AM (V2Yro)

477 Redford was a good actor when he wasn't already yet a "legend."

Now like most acting "legends," he just plays himself most of the time.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 24, 2018 12:15 AM (eMKNe)

478 456 Cliff Robertson and Robert Redford were the best actors of their generation.

Pretty sure I'm thinking "WUT ??"

Posted by: pretty sure at April 24, 2018 12:15 AM (Ymy4N)

479 yeah I gave them a ride, heh. Late at night my phrasing is slipping.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 24, 2018 12:15 AM (V2Yro)

480 Goddamn Willie and his goddamn Anal Intruder 3000.

On the plus side, you racist honkies are gonna look great kneeling before my throne licking the pesky anal leakage off my boots.
Posted by: Kameltoe Hairy, Queen of Mean at April

you know that guy has tapes of him doing her.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 24, 2018 12:16 AM (MTjB1)

481 Ace's liver, normally I agree... but have you seen "All Is Lost"?

I have to admit it's pretty good... and Redford is the *only* actor in the entire movie.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 24, 2018 12:14 AM (eMKNe)

Never saw it, hell I forgot about it. Some said it was a vanity project, not that means it is not good. Jeremiah Johnson was damn good and it was mostly Redford as I remember.

Posted by: Quint at April 24, 2018 12:16 AM (n13/j)

482 True. Look at the personal lives and families of very rich celebrities and other people. Suicides, addiction, and multiple divorces aren't signs of happy lives.
Posted by: nerdygirl at April 24, 2018 12:11 AM (+lVUW)

It may depend on the people. I have one friend that sold his business for a half billion dollars. He was happy, he still had some of the same problems we all do, money wasn't one of them.
The other people I know that are almost that wealthy are happy, again they have problems too.

To me they live the same lives most people do, the difference is instead of going camping they rent the whole resort for 10 days and take a bunch of friends and pay for everthing. They order 1,000 bottles of wine at dinner, etc.
They are good people.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 24, 2018 12:16 AM (2DYau)

483 Yes Fragile

Posted by: Hedmonster Bolt at April 24, 2018 12:03 AM (BXzcL)

Yes, "Tales From Topographic Oceans" was pretty wild.
Double album, four songs.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at April 24, 2018 12:16 AM (8iiMU)

484 429, 329 and 370

So, I pursue my little toy train of thought, comparing White Album and Sticky Fingers as rock albums.

SF has the best rock song out of the two albums, IMO, but out of its 10 songs, i would say only 5 out of 10 are pure rock. 50 %

10 out of 30 of the White album is what I call rock. 33%

Posted by: booknlass at April 24, 2018 12:16 AM (xGMkv)

485 Bourbon, Alachondra and Redacted, LOL/true/thanks. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 24, 2018 12:16 AM (eMKNe)

486 Every time I see Kamala-Toe, I see her with Willie's willie in her mouth. Does that make me bad?

Also, you realize very quickly that air power was supremely important in the Pacific. Yuge.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at April 24, 2018 12:17 AM (+Tibp)

487 yeah I gave them a ride, heh. Late at night my phrasing is slipping.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April

well, we assumed you meant what you meant but it was worth checking.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 24, 2018 12:17 AM (MTjB1)

488 Quint, "All Is Lost" IS kind of a vanity project... but it's actually halfway good and suspenseful.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 24, 2018 12:17 AM (eMKNe)

489 219 Wasn't Switzerland toying with a Universal Basic Income? ....
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at April 23, 2018 11:08 PM (sCUYC)
-----------------------------
Yeah, they had a referendum on it a year or two ago.
It failed.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 24, 2018 12:17 AM (0jtPF)

490 Pretty sure Redford try to pay cash for his facelift

Posted by: pretty sure at April 24, 2018 12:17 AM (Ymy4N)

491 Ace's liver, normally I agree... but have you seen "All Is Lost"?

I have to admit it's pretty good... and Redford is the *only* actor in the entire movie.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 24, 2018 12:14 AM (eMKNe)

All Is Lost is a great movie (though the ending was pathetic). But anyone could have done that movie and it would have been just as great. It was the story and filming that made that movie, not the actor. You could have made that movie with one of the puppets from Team America (which were really from a series of 60s movies) and it would have been just as great.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 24, 2018 12:18 AM (8gDQu)

492 of course Jeremiah Johnson was great mainly because of John Milius. (wrote the screenplay)

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 24, 2018 12:18 AM (V2Yro)

493 471 Ace's liver, normally I agree... but have you seen "All Is Lost"?

I have to admit it's pretty good... and Redford is the *only* actor in the entire movie.
Posted by: qdpsteve at April 24, 2018 12:14 AM (eMKNe)

I didn't see it. You might imagine I don't go out of my way to see Redford movies.

It's difficult to believe he finally became an competent actor at age 76.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 24, 2018 12:18 AM (h2Bdk)

494 Redford was an awful actor. And his face got really weird as he aged. Really messed up.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 24, 2018 12:13 AM (8gDQu)

I agree with you. He really did not age well.

Paul Newman certainly aged well.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 24, 2018 12:18 AM (2DYau)

495 >>>Jim

Sunk New Dawn

Galveston, TX

Yep. Dark Side of the Moon never gets old.

Posted by: cfo mom at April 24, 2018 12:18 AM (RfzVr)

496 Tom Servo, my bro-in-law likes Jeremiah Johnson a lot.

Remember the porno version title of it? "Jeremiah's Johnson."

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 24, 2018 12:18 AM (eMKNe)

497

I have tapes of me doing him... the guard dog doing him... the Klan doing him... perverted little fvcker...

Posted by: Kameltoe Hairy, Queen of Mean at April 24, 2018 12:19 AM (UFLLM)

498 The media people in NY, Calif., and DC don't understand that liberals
and democrats in other states are not like them. You would have thought
that they would have learned from the '16 election.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 24, 2018 12:06 AM (+lVUW)

It's almost like the Bible is a collection of real world truths. The Tower of Babble comes to mind here for me. They are messing with language to build their utopia. But in the end screwing with language just makes it impossible for them to do anything.

Posted by: X-ray at April 24, 2018 12:19 AM (Rrifi)

499 I can see a business that can say it won't sell you a lawnmower unless you pay with a credit card or something, but it doesn't seem to me that a business can let you build up a debt for services rendered and then not accept legal tender as payment for that debt.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 24, 2018 12:12 AM (8gDQu)

If they tell you before you incur the debt what means of payment they'll accept, then you're incurring the debt contingent on repayment by those means.

Posted by: hogmartin at April 24, 2018 12:19 AM (y87Qq)

500 Remember the porno version title of it? "Jeremiah's Johnson."

There was something special about old-time Porn titles - like Ram-Bone

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 24, 2018 12:19 AM (V2Yro)

501 well, he was going to lose those troops either way.
He wouldn't have known that, nor how successful or widespread the attacks would have been. And you can't tell me that he wouldn't have wanted them to have taken as many Japs with them as possible?

Posted by: andycanuck at April 24, 2018 12:20 AM (VBKy9)

502 Ace's liver, good point. But one of the interesting things about "All Is Lost" is that, outside of the *very* beginning, Redford has virtually *no* lines. (I read that the entire screenplay of the 90-minute film is literally less than 10 pages long.)

All he can do is... act. And he actually manages it IMHO.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 24, 2018 12:20 AM (eMKNe)

503 Secondly, did Germany not declare war on the USA and not the other way around?
Posted by: Quint
------------

Yes, Germany declared war on the U.S. immediately after Japan attacked.

It is interesting to muse on what would have happened had they not.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 24, 2018 12:20 AM (c/EDo)

504 429, 329 and 370

So, I pursue my little toy train of thought, comparing White Album and Sticky Fingers as rock albums.

SF has the best rock song out of the two albums, IMO, but out of its 10 songs, i would say only 5 out of 10 are pure rock. 50 %

10 out of 30 of the White album is what I call rock. 33%

Posted by: booknlass at April 24, 2018 12:16 AM

The spanish pressing of Sticky Fingers has a slightly higher %age. It replaces Sister Morphine with Let It Rock. I think that the LIR version actually makes for a better album.... despite losing Ry Cooder's wonderful slide work on SM.

Posted by: otho at April 24, 2018 12:20 AM (7xR2D)

505 Notice that "Legal Tender" laws arose in the first place because FDR outlawed the private ownership of monetary gold, repudiated then-current and forbade future gold clause (often real estate lease contracts) previously in wide use, and reneged on government gold bonds. "Fiat" means "It shall be so", more or less. Or, "Fix It Again, Tony."

Most people did not want a piece of paper with some vague assurances written on it. Nobody ever had to be forced to accept gold as real money. FDR actually criminalized an element on the Periodic Table!

Posted by: Common Tater at April 24, 2018 12:20 AM (/OEmT)

506 492 of course Jeremiah Johnson was great mainly because of John Milius. (wrote the screenplay)
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 24, 2018 12:18 AM (V2Yro)

Don't get me wrong - Redford's been in a lot of good movies. I just think that had more to do with the fact that he was a bankable star and got a lot of good roles.

He tended to get completely outshined (outshone?) by truly good actors - Newman, for example, in Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 24, 2018 12:20 AM (h2Bdk)

507 Later taters.

Posted by: eleven at April 24, 2018 12:21 AM (+lOpA)

508 Ace's liver, true.
Paul Newman's character in Butch Cassidy is *so* much richer/deeper, it's not even funny. Redford is never much more than a sidekick.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 24, 2018 12:22 AM (eMKNe)

509 off to bed as well, too tired to type anymore.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 24, 2018 12:22 AM (V2Yro)

510 And with all the spying and intel collecting. Churchill would not have worried that the Americans, is closest allies would find out he let them get pounded. Not buying it. Too much like the line about GWB being told Bin Laden is likely to attack soon. As in, yah, we see the winds of war.

Posted by: Quint at April 24, 2018 12:22 AM (n13/j)

511

500 Quatloos for the Biscayne.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 24, 2018 12:22 AM (IqV8l)

512 Tom Servo, LOL. Yup.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 24, 2018 12:23 AM (eMKNe)

513 Redford is never much more than a sidekick.
Posted by: qdpsteve
----------

Redford has always just been a pretty face. Actor? Not so much.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 24, 2018 12:23 AM (nBBdT)

514 473 Key question, could Churchill or even Roosevelt have done anything to prevent the USA from going to war with Japan?Secondly, did Germany not declare war on the USA and not the other way around?
Posted by: Quint at April 24, 2018 12:14 AM (n13/j)

Seem my post at 395. Germany was hoodwinked by Japan.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 24, 2018 12:23 AM (h2Bdk)

515 Tom Servo, goodnight!

CaliGirl, hi and yup.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 24, 2018 12:24 AM (eMKNe)

516
It's just like this, per federal legal tender laws, as I and other mentioned about. If someone gives your the good or service first, then they are owed a debt, and must accept federally defined legal tender for that debt.

But beforehand, someone can negotiate. I will feed you only if you pay via debit card. That is fine. If you eat, you agree.

Now, as I was reading, some state law goes further and requires cash to be accepted, period, well in what cases cash must be accepted.

I presume federal law could do the same for the whole country, but it doesn't now.

Posted by: publius, the Persistently Priapic Poperin Pear at April 24, 2018 12:24 AM (8O3HH)

517 Redford has always just been a pretty face. Actor? Not so much.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 24, 2018 12:23 AM (nBBdT)

Whatja wearing ??

Posted by: Robert Redford at April 24, 2018 12:24 AM (Ymy4N)

518 If they tell you before you incur the debt what means of payment they'll accept, then you're incurring the debt contingent on repayment by those means.

Posted by: hogmartin at April 24, 2018 12:19 AM (y87Qq)

I don't know. It still seems to me that they would have to collect payment (in their particular method) before services were rendered or at the same time. If they allow a debt to build then I can't see how they can say that they will not accept legal tender for that debt.

The examples they list on the treasury link are specifically for businesses that are collecting payments BEFORE services or products (the bus ticket or movie ticket).

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 24, 2018 12:24 AM (8gDQu)

519 Mike, one of the good things about "All Is Lost" is that Redford is NOT pretty in it.

And, he suffers a lot. That helps. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 24, 2018 12:25 AM (eMKNe)

520

Robert Redford banged Willie. Fact.

Posted by: Kameltoe Hairy, Queen of Mean at April 24, 2018 12:25 AM (UFLLM)

521 Yeah, going to bed too. I have to work tomorrow.

I get paid in magic beans.

Posted by: hogmartin at April 24, 2018 12:25 AM (y87Qq)

522 Federal Reserve Notes are legal fiction obviously but you can't refuse to accept them in payment.

Posted by: Deacon Bleau at April 24, 2018 12:25 AM (yScAF)

523 In 1990 George Michael (!) did a whiny-bitch feature interview about the perils of fame and all, and for his trouble got a hand-typed bitchslap from one actual working musician -- Frank Sinatra.

Now nobody ever accused Sinatra of being a nice guy, but in several cases he put some primae donnae in their damn place. He worked hard at what he did, and although I resented him in my youth I've come to respect that one aspect of his career.

For what it's worth, he told George to loosen up and enjoy his fame. It was eight years later that George "came out" after loosening way-hey-hey the hell up.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 24, 2018 12:26 AM (H5rtT)

524 hogmartin, mmm! How do they taste? ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 24, 2018 12:26 AM (eMKNe)

525 Redford has always just been a pretty face. Actor? Not so much.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 24, 2018 12:23 AM (nBBdT)

I don't think he has a pretty face at all, Paul Newman definitely did.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 24, 2018 12:26 AM (2DYau)

526 Key question, could Churchill or even Roosevelt have done anything to
prevent the USA from going to war with Japan?
No, but had the American public learned that Churchill knew and didn't warn the U.S., then the U.S. would declare war on Britain and the Empire too!
/joke

Secondly, did Germany not
declare war on the USA and not the other way around?
Yes, the Krauts did although per the above, the Japs had been hinting to them that if they declared war on the Americans, they'd do the same to the Soviets thus helping the Germans in the West.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 24, 2018 12:27 AM (VBKy9)

527 473 Key question, could Churchill or even
Roosevelt have done anything to prevent the USA from going to war with
Japan?Secondly, did Germany not declare war on the USA and not the other
way around?

Posted by: Quint at April 24, 2018 12:14 AM (n13/j)

Seem my post at 395. Germany was hoodwinked by Japan.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 24, 2018 12:23 AM (h2Bdk)

Interesting. I am no WW2 expert. But one thing I do believe strongly, Hitler's plan was always Russia, the war in the West was the accident. Many question why he opened a second front in Russia, but imo, that was the plan all along.

Posted by: Quint at April 24, 2018 12:27 AM (n13/j)

528 Stringer Davis, LOL. George Michael loosened up *so* much, he got caught banging strange men through a glory hole in a public restroom at a Beverly Hills public park.

Wonder who you'd find in that restroom today... :-P

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 24, 2018 12:28 AM (eMKNe)

529 Hello Horde.....That's No Woman no cry, nic does do not spell Now for those stumbled confused by my old nic.

Mrs Trump.....beautiful floral arrangements at President Washingtons home with that grin Devil Dog thoughtful gift from the fountain... World War I. Even Willie agrees Send The Light.

Posted by: Nowomannocry Lilly of the Valley at April 24, 2018 12:28 AM (7ZiDC)

530 Yes, "Tales From Topographic Oceans" was pretty wild.
Double album, four songs.

Jon Anderson described it as "four movements", so it's wilder than that. It's one song, just broken up by the physical limits of vinyl.

Posted by: mikeski at April 24, 2018 12:28 AM (JGBbg)

531 484 429, 329 and 370 and to conclude:

The more rock songs are on the White Album, but the best of all is on the Sticky Fingers.

The best of the White Album would probably be WMGGW I'd think, just from historical staying power and the solo.

Does the rock power of the Stones 5 songs beat the Beatles' 10? I'd say yep.

Bottom line for me is although there are more freaking excellent songs on the White Album, the sheer power of the teeth clenching head banging heat-causing ROCK in Brown Sugar, Bitch, Wild Horses, Can't You Hear Me Knocking, and Sway beats what the Beatles did for rock on the WA.

imo.

Posted by: booknlass at April 24, 2018 12:28 AM (xGMkv)

532 >>>To me they live the same lives most people do, the difference is instead
of going camping they rent the whole resort for 10 days and take a
bunch of friends and pay for everthing. They order 1,000 bottles of wine
at dinner, etc.

That is NOT living "the same lives most people do". I agree with what you said earlier about money not buying freedom from troubles. But money will buy one a private jet to that fancy hospital and we peons can't even afford the gas/hotel money for that. So our kids don't get that treatment. No, their lives are not the same as regular folks.

Posted by: cfo mom at April 24, 2018 12:28 AM (RfzVr)

533 Jeremiah Johnson taught me to always look out for Indian chicks high-sticking you playing lacrosse!

Posted by: andycanuck at April 24, 2018 12:28 AM (VBKy9)

534 Cash is a beautiful thing, particularly in thick stacks. I am partial to it all, though the new 100s are scrumptious. US currency used to have a particular odor - creosote? That seems to have gone away.

Some fucking asshat was suggesting that "large bills" be outlawed, or some stupid shit like that. Anybody who has been in a grocery store in the last 20 years knows there's no such thing as a large bill anymore.

Posted by: Common Tater at April 24, 2018 12:28 AM (/OEmT)

535 CaliGirl, my mom loves/prefers Paul Newman too.

Newman definitely had the far greater acting chops of that duo.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 24, 2018 12:28 AM (eMKNe)

536 FDR actually criminalized an element on the Periodic Table!
Obama wanted to ban one of the noble gases. I've forgotten which and don't feel like searching for it.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 24, 2018 12:29 AM (VBKy9)

537 andycanuck, not sure but I read Obama banned anyone from farting in the Oval Office.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 24, 2018 12:30 AM (eMKNe)

538 Paul Newman certainly aged well.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 24, 2018 12:18 AM (2DYau)

I also think Steve McQueen aged well maybe their love of cars and acceptance they were real men helped. Alan Alda and Robert Redford aged OK like a spinster ages OK.

Posted by: X-ray at April 24, 2018 12:30 AM (Rrifi)

539
Here's the Fed's statement on this question:

https://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/currency_12772.htm

Reading some more the courts have apparently ruled, (according to federal law, not additional state laws).

Gas station lets you pump gas before you pay, then you owe them a debt and they must take legal tender. Pay before you pump, and they can demand whatever the hell they want in payment.

Posted by: publius, the Persistently Priapic Poperin Pear at April 24, 2018 12:31 AM (8O3HH)

540 Paul Newman's character in Butch Cassidy is *so* much richer/deeper, it's not even funny. Redford is never much more than a sidekick.
Posted by: qdpsteve

Pause to consider what a miracle of a film Slapshot was. It starred maybe the biggest star of the time, Paul Newman, playing a foul mouthed, dim hockey player. He was neither sympathetic nor particularly likable. So many great characters like the Hansons and Moe and the French Canadiens. Just really unique, especially for the time. Paul Newman!

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at April 24, 2018 12:31 AM (+Tibp)

541 Posted by: booknlass at April 24, 2018 12:28 AM (xGMkv)

Well reasoned & debated

But, I've always preferred the stones over the Beatles

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 24, 2018 12:31 AM (3Pma+)

542 Faye Dunaway is also in 3 Days of the Condor.

Too bad she turned out to be a nutso ballzo crazy whackadoodle.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 24, 2018 12:31 AM (eMKNe)

543 Don't see Mitt and Kamala ever facing each other in a debate, but let's not be silly, she's an idiot and he's quite intelligent, and there's every reason to think it would look like the first debate against the affirmative action intern (where the intellectual and gravitas disparity - with a sitting president no less - was pretty obvious and funny).

With luck there won't even be the possibility of a Mitt/Kamala meet-up on the Senate floor.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 24, 2018 12:31 AM (QDnY+)

544 On universal basic income, how/why is that different from Alaska's permanent fund dividend? Can we draw any conclusions from it? Any Alaskans have anything to say on the subject pro/con?
Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls

Just a Devil's Advocate type response:

It's differerent in that AK requires a small, modicum of survival effort? At least they have to understand the Freezing Point, and sub-optimal crank whine limit?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 24, 2018 12:32 AM (LNPd9)

545 Some fucking asshat was suggesting that "large bills" be outlawed, or some stupid shit like that. Anybody who has been in a grocery store in the last 20 years knows there's no such thing as a large bill anymore.

Posted by: Common Tater at April 24, 2018 12:28 AM (/OEmT)

Yeah ... most of the idiots want to get rid of $100s ... as if $100 buys much of anything these days. It's just their first step in trying to eliminate cash, altogether, so that the government and the Fed can just take anyone's money any time they feel like it.

I still can't believe that people have actually accepted the idea of negative interest rates. I mean ... WTFFF??!!! Are there really so few brain cells around that people don't realize how totally fvcked up a monetary system has to be for anyone to even speculate about the idea of negative interest rates, let alone actually have them for real?! Just plain insanity. Big time insanity.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 24, 2018 12:32 AM (8gDQu)

546 Blutarski, it's on my to-see list. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 24, 2018 12:32 AM (eMKNe)

547

I demand beaver in payment for all debts.

I like it kabob style with jerk sauce.

Posted by: Kameltoe Hairy, Queen of Mean at April 24, 2018 12:32 AM (UFLLM)

548 FDR actually criminalized an element on the Periodic Table!
Obama wanted to ban one of the noble gases. I've forgotten which and don't feel like searching for it.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 24, 2018 12:29 AM (VBKy9)

There are prime numbers that are illegal.

Seriously.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 24, 2018 12:33 AM (8gDQu)

549 I've got 20,000 pounds in my pajamas
I've got 40,000 French francs in the fridge
I've got lots of lovely lira
And my Deutschmarks are getting dearer
My dollar bills could buy the Brooklyn Bridge!

Posted by: andycanuck at April 24, 2018 12:33 AM (VBKy9)

550 andycanuck, not sure but I read Obama banned anyone from farting in the Oval Office.
Posted by: qdpsteve
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Trying to keep the Moocher out of there.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 24, 2018 12:34 AM (9tO1t)

551 Redford is very good in Spy Game, as well as Avengers 1.5: Captain Winter Soldier the Second Age of Flying Aircraft Carriers.

His sidekick Paul Newman was terrific in Road to Perdition and The Hudsucker Proxy.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 24, 2018 12:34 AM (rnAwa)

552 Misanthropic Humanitarian, Thank you my friend. Funny, I used to think of myself as a Beatles chick.

But I'm evolving.

Posted by: booknlass at April 24, 2018 12:34 AM (xGMkv)

553 andycanuck, not sure but I read Obama banned anyone from farting in the Oval Office.
Yes. Only Reggie was allowed to "light one up" just like Mannerheim and Hitler.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 24, 2018 12:35 AM (VBKy9)

554
There are prime numbers that are illegal.

Seriously.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair
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I understand that 73 is hiding out in Brazil.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 24, 2018 12:35 AM (9tO1t)

555 If they allow a debt to build then I can't see how they can say that they will not accept legal tender for that debt.

Prices on our menu are for credit card payments only. Prices for payments in cash are 1000% of the listed credit card price.

Will that work?

Posted by: Chuck C at April 24, 2018 12:35 AM (d/5jB)

556 Re movies, I also just ordered Apollo 13, Seabiscuit, and used DVDs of Star Wars V and VI.

Oh, and I recently got the DVD of Freaks. "One of us! One of us!!" ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 24, 2018 12:35 AM (eMKNe)

557 The Hudsucker Proxy.

Really, isn't this the story of Obama?

Posted by: Kameltoe Hairy, Queen of Mean at April 24, 2018 12:35 AM (UFLLM)

558 Key question, could Churchill or even Roosevelt have done anything to prevent the USA from going to war with Japan?Secondly, did Germany not declare war on the USA and not the other way around?
Posted by: Quint at April 24, 2018 12:14 AM (n13/j)

Seem my post at 395. Germany was hoodwinked by Japan.
Posted by: Ace's liver

Or, stayed by Sorge

Posted by: Jean at April 24, 2018 12:36 AM (MS0+a)

559 Our local Ace hardware no longer accepts checks.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 24, 2018 12:36 AM (c/EDo)

560 Posted by: cfo mom at April 24, 2018 12:28 AM (RfzVr)

Sorry if I offended you.
But they just have a nicer house and a bigger and more expensive toys.
Poor people have televisions and computers too.

Maybe I just personally know some extremely wealthy people that do their own grocery shopping, cook their own dinners etc. They live very similar lives to poor people I know, they just do it in nicer surrroundings.
The private jets and all the money cannot save their children from cancer either.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 24, 2018 12:36 AM (2DYau)

561 Of course Paul Newman's character was livelier than Redford's Butch Cassidy, but we should give Redford a break, that was his character, the quiet young guy. You could say Elli Wallach acted circles around Eastwood in The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly too. Maybe he was the better actor, but damn if Eastwood did not do well for himself over the years in Hollywood.

Posted by: Quint at April 24, 2018 12:37 AM (n13/j)

562 Re: the World Press Photo Awards

Damn. It's like the International Parade of Shitholes.

Posted by: MW at April 24, 2018 12:37 AM (wNx6K)

563 Mike, then tell 'em you're Lithuanian

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 24, 2018 12:37 AM (eMKNe)

564 530
Yes, "Tales From Topographic Oceans" was pretty wild.

Double album, four songs.

Jon Anderson described it as "four movements", so it's wilder than that. It's one song, just broken up by the physical limits of vinyl.

Posted by: mikeski at April 24, 2018 12:28 AM (JGBbg)

Mind. Blown.
Again.
I'm going to have to listen to it again. Just for kicks.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at April 24, 2018 12:37 AM (8iiMU)

565 Posted by: otho at April 24, 2018 12:14 AM (7xR2D)

Mute or FFWD buttons were great

They played JJFlash and I can tolerate that song especially the Johnny winter version

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 24, 2018 12:38 AM (3Pma+)

566 mikeski, yup.

Jethro Tull's "Thick As A Brick" is actually all just one song.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 24, 2018 12:38 AM (eMKNe)

567 I liked Redford in The Last Castle.

Posted by: X-ray at April 24, 2018 12:38 AM (Rrifi)

568 It's easy enough to figure, nobody has to accept cash before a debt has been incurred.

It's just easier. Less worries about armed robbery. Apple Stores are a modern example. They don't want to mess with it, they don't want to have to make change, send someone to the bank for deposits periodically.

The key to "statists" - there is no safe haven or store of value or independent wealth. This is the "dirty little secret" per Alan Greenspan. This is why they hated gold. And why they hate cash today. Everything will be tracked, and they can extinguish wealth with the push of a button.

We're seeing them get impatient with the recent unpleasantness with regard to firearms sales and the big banks. You will be un-peopled if you don't have the right opinions. No health care for you. No free speech for you. No due process for you. Etc.

Posted by: Common Tater at April 24, 2018 12:38 AM (/OEmT)

569 Sorge. Dick Sorge.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 24, 2018 12:39 AM (VBKy9)

570 Yes, "Tales From Topographic Oceans" was pretty wild.
Double album, four songs.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at April 24, 2018 12:16 AM (8iiMU)

Yeah, their record co (Atlantic, I think) must of loved that when they brought it to them.
Yes,PF, old Rush and a good pair of headphones would rock me to sleep on many a night as a kid.

Posted by: Hedmonster Bolt at April 24, 2018 12:39 AM (BXzcL)

571 Prices on our menu are for credit card payments only. Prices for payments in cash are 1000% of the listed credit card price.

Will that work?

Posted by: Chuck C at April 24, 2018 12:35 AM (d/5jB)

I wouldn't think so. The debt doesn't change just because someone is using legal tender to pay it. I guess they could list the cash prices and accept less for credit card payments. No problem with that. Nothing says that you can't reduce the debt owed you for any reason you think up.

But, if a restaurant didn't want to accept cash I would just assume they would have to collect payment first. You order, you pay, and then you get your food ... like they do in "fast food" places these days.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 24, 2018 12:40 AM (8gDQu)

572 Interesting. I am no WW2 expert. But one thing I do believe strongly, Hitler's plan was always Russia, the war in the West was the accident. Many question why he opened a second front in Russia, but imo, that was the plan all along.
Posted by: Quint at April 24, 2018 12:27 AM (n13/j)

That's true. It was all spelled out in Mein Kampf for anyone who bothered to read it. Hitler considered Germany and France to be natural allies, and was genuinely surprised when those nations declared war after the invasion of Poland.

The plan was always to move East, starving or killing the inhabitants and replacing them with Germans. He might have actually succeeded if he waited until he'd won before beginning the starving and killing part. Ukrainians had no love for Stalin and initially considered the Germans to be liberators.

I got interested in the subject because his invasion of the USSR didn't make sense - why did he do that when he was still at war with the UK? The reason turns out to be everyone in Germany thought the Brits would sue for peace at any moment. At that point they hadn't lost any territory to the Germans, so they could have just called it quits, and that's exactly what the Germans expected.

The Germans didn't even have a plan to prosecute the war with the UK for six weeks after Dunkirk, so sure were they the Brits were done. In hindsight, if Hitler had concentrated on British assets in the Med and North Africa (which were vital for the war effort), he could have finished off the UK before attacking the Russians, and the US would have been denied a staging area from which to attack the Germans even if we were technically at war.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 24, 2018 12:40 AM (h2Bdk)

573 >> Prices for payments in cash are 1000% of the listed credit card price.

There is some nuance there as well. I'll have to look this up, it may not be law as much as it is the credit card company contracts.

But they can't demand a premium for credit cards, only offer a cash discount. SO you can't say, okay I'll charge your a 5 cents more on the dollar for using a card. But you can say, I'll charge you 5 cents less if you pay me cash.

Posted by: publius, the Persistently Priapic Poperin Pear at April 24, 2018 12:40 AM (8O3HH)

574 Qdp I've had enough ponticationg on Tull tonite. I don't need your regurgitating some crap you read off of some Vox wanna be web site .

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 24, 2018 12:41 AM (3Pma+)

575 My friend in high school, her mom worked for the grocery store union. They were getting ready for a strike. They were talking about putting nails and glass in the parking lot of the grocery store they were going to picket.
I was apolitical at the time but that stuck with me.
I crossed the line with those union members screaming at me. Grown adults, it was shocking leftist behavior.
Posted by: CaliGirl

My father was a hard worker, a UAW member in a non auto factory. He would get frustrated because a number of his co-workers were alcoholics that they couldn't get rid of. Drunks in a factory are a safety problem. The main purpose of a union is to protect people who should be fired.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 24, 2018 12:41 AM (+lVUW)

576

SARASOTA COUNTY, Fla. - A Riverview High student is under fire after using a racist sign to ask his girlfriend to the school's prom.

The sign, reading, "If I was black I'd be picking cotton, but I'm white so I'm picking u 4 prom," made the rounds on Twitter Sunday night. The proposal was conducted by 18-year-old student Noah Crowley, the district confirmed. Riverview students found the image on the female student's Snapchat, with a caption of two heart-eye emojis, implying that she was excited about the request. The Herald-Tribune did not identify Crowley until confirming that he is an adult.

By Monday morning, various Twitter posts had already received hundreds of retweets and favorites. One student tweeted out the image with the comment: "he seems to not know about America's history. RACISM IS A PROBLEM. definitely should not be allowed to go to prom!!"

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 24, 2018 12:41 AM (IqV8l)

577 That's it for me tonight. See youse tomorrow.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 24, 2018 12:42 AM (VBKy9)

578

Have to get rid of cash, Millennials can't make change. I mean can't even count out what the machine tells them to give back.

A while back I had to help a collage age chick make my change as she couldn't get the $17.49 I had coming back out of the drawer. Couldn't figure out how to give back 49 cents...

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at April 24, 2018 12:43 AM (UFLLM)

579 MisHum, what'd I say? ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 24, 2018 12:43 AM (eMKNe)

580 Ace's liver, Hitler certainly did as you say hope Japan would engage the Soviets from the east, but after the two signed their non-aggression pact in April '41, he was only fooling himself or taking great risks (normal for him) by believing Japan would invade in the east.

My favorite illustration of the ruthlessness of power politics in WWII was Japan remaining neutral towards the USSR, while that country fought a death-struggle against Japan's Axis ally - which crucially allowed Lend-Lease aid (critical to the USSR's holding off/defeating Japan's ally) to flow from the US via Alaska and Siberia without any security issues.

And to cap it off, the USSR junking the neutrality pact once Germany was kaput, so as to perhaps get in on some territory/goodies against a Japan on the verge of total defeat.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 24, 2018 12:43 AM (QDnY+)

581 So my brother texted me that Yeti coolers has severed ties with the NRA. I'm going to need a list of things that I can't buy. At least we didn't get the Yeti we were looking at.

Posted by: Abby at April 24, 2018 12:45 AM (AfGF2)

582 My father was a hard worker, a UAW member in a non auto factory. He would get frustrated because a number of his co-workers were alcoholics that they couldn't get rid of. Drunks in a factory are a safety problem. The main purpose of a union is to protect people who should be fired.
Posted by: nerdygirl at April 24, 2018 12:41 AM (+lVUW)

I learned that later as I got older. That unions protect the bad workers.
I didn't like the conversation I could hear happening. My friend told me if I went anywhere there was a picket line to park my car very far away that the union people sabotage the parking lot and will slash your tires.
My dad was a teamster, he did not approve of those tactics.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 24, 2018 12:45 AM (2DYau)

583 MisHum, I take it back. Ian Anderson is a peach of a guy!

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 24, 2018 12:45 AM (eMKNe)

584 Mute or FFWD buttons were great

They played JJFlash and I can tolerate that song especially the Johnny winter version

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 24, 2018 12:38 AM

IMHO not even the Stones with Taylor could do JJF justice without the tuning and guitar work of Jones and Richards on the original recording. It's a masterwork of guitar interplay that the Stones nor anybody else could recreate.

Posted by: otho at April 24, 2018 12:45 AM (7xR2D)

585
what'd I say?

MONORAIL!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 24, 2018 12:46 AM (IqV8l)

586 I got interested in the subject because his invasion of the USSR didn't make sense - why did he do that when he was still at war with the UK? The reason turns out to be everyone in Germany thought the Brits would sue for peace at any moment. At that point they hadn't lost any territory to the Germans, so they could have just called it quits, and that's exactly what the Germans expected.

Hitler actually considered an invasion of Britain after the war was declared in '39. The Germans thought they could use giant barges to ferry Wehrmacht units across the Channel and do it quickly enough to surprise the Brits. The British Navy, which was still the world's greatest at the time, made that idea pretty much a nonstarter and Hitler eventually gave up the idea of attacking Britain by sea.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 24, 2018 12:46 AM (IEVqH)

587 Album covers, not quite iconic as sticky fingers. But. There was Moms Apple Pie where moms entire cherry pie could be found. A toothpick & floss would have been necessary

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 24, 2018 12:46 AM (3Pma+)

588 581 So my brother texted me that Yeti coolers has severed ties with the NRA. I'm going to need a list of things that I can't buy. At least we didn't get the Yeti we were looking at.
Posted by: Abby at April 24, 2018 12:45 AM (AfGF2)

Someone posted last night about rctic (sp?) coolers. They look like Yeti coolers but they are cheaper.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 24, 2018 12:47 AM (2DYau)

589 I saw that luap the lesser switched around and will vote for Pompeio (sp.)

Think he received a number of calls from MOrons. and ettes.

Posted by: booknlass at April 24, 2018 12:47 AM (xGMkv)

590 CaliGirl draws a very fine point about The Rich.
I've been saying it for around 40 years in northwest Ohio, that we miss the rich. There is a lot of money being slung around, but it's not like the old times when characters like J. North Willys, the Libbeys, the Stranahans, and "Colonel" Ford could really make things happen. Contemporary "rich" live in very large ranch houses, so to speak. They can't begin to afford the real mansions we used to see. They travel; they don't own the ship.

I laugh at how depressing it must be to have several million, or a million in income, and live in an exclusive house -- that's part of what was once the horse-riding yard of the real mansion, up the rise there.

Wife is distant friends with the wife of one of the few remaining press-lords in these parts. We get invited to a charity affair or some such once in a while. She's just as plain as anything, just folks once you get to know her. I love it when people enjoy their money, and spread it around a little.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 24, 2018 12:47 AM (H5rtT)

591 well, he was going to lose those troops either way.

He wouldn't have known that, nor how successful or widespread the attacks would have been. And you can't tell me that he wouldn't have wanted them to have taken as many Japs with them as possible?
Posted by: andycanuck at April

well what did he do once they were attacked? did he surge resources in there? how long did they manage to hold out? those are not magical numbers. they knew what they had in place and how long those resources would be sufficient once the shooting started.

he knew they were barely holding on at home and there was no way they could spare anything for the pacific.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 24, 2018 12:47 AM (MTjB1)

592

Someone earlier today speculated that Yeti bailed on the NRA in order to maintain business with REI which is now refusing stockage of any company that also does business with the firearms industry.

REI - I have been a member since 1979, and I'm moving to a town with an REI store - can suck the jizz out of my white male patriarchial NRA member balls...

Yeti, overpriced for value. Buy Pelican or one of the American made products. Yeti can lick up REI's sloppy misses.

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at April 24, 2018 12:48 AM (UFLLM)

593 REI seems like a cross between Dick's and Whole Foods.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 24, 2018 12:48 AM (eMKNe)

594 The 'agreement' between Stalin and Hitler was always only as good as the paper it was printed on. They knew they would have to deal with the other at some point.

Hitler struck at the perfect time (not counting too late in the year.) Stalin had just finished a pretty massive Military purge. After Yugoslavia became an issue forcing the jump date later, it would have probably been better to wait til the next year. Stalin would have probably been in no better shape to deal then either.

The thing is, hindsight is 20/20. And Germany was always 'on the clock' as far as resources went.

I think they could have taken Soviets, if they had either gone on time, went the next year, and under no circumstance declare war on the US.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at April 24, 2018 12:49 AM (sCUYC)

595 CaliGirl draws a very fine point about The Rich.
I've been saying it for around 40 years in northwest Ohio, that we miss the rich. There is a lot of money being slung around, but it's not like the old times when characters like J. North Willys, the Libbeys, the Stranahans, and "Colonel" Ford could really make things happen. Contemporary "rich" live in very large ranch houses, so to speak. They can't begin to afford the real mansions we used to see. They travel; they don't own the ship.

I laugh at how depressing it must be to have several million, or a million in income, and live in an exclusive house -- that's part of what was once the horse-riding yard of the real mansion, up the rise there.

Wife is distant friends with the wife of one of the few remaining press-lords in these parts. We get invited to a charity affair or some such once in a while. She's just as plain as anything, just folks once you get to know her. I love it when people enjoy their money, and spread it around a little.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at April

when ohio had money it was loaded. the infrastructure of the big cities in ohio, especially cleveland, is fantastic, except for the fact that it is run down and they cannot afford to maintain it any longer.

same with michigan, especially detroit.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 24, 2018 12:50 AM (MTjB1)

596 Someone earlier today speculated that Yeti bailed on the NRA in order to maintain business with REI which is now refusing stockage of any company that also does business with the firearms industry.

It'll be fine. Like Dick's, Yeti will make up shivving its existing customer base by all the new sales to woke people.

Hah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!

I crack myself up.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 24, 2018 12:50 AM (IEVqH)

597 And why they hate cash today. Everything will be tracked, and they can extinguish wealth with the push of a button.

Remember the exchange rate:

1ct = .22lr
5ct = 9mm/.38
10ct = .357
25ct = .44/45
50ct = 5.56/ 30-30
1$ = 12g/7.62x39/.308

Posted by: Jean at April 24, 2018 12:51 AM (MS0+a)

598 Cicero, they'll have to accept payment in weed.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 24, 2018 12:51 AM (eMKNe)

599 That is NOT living "the same lives most people do". I agree with what you said earlier about money not buying freedom from troubles. But money will buy one a private jet to that fancy hospital and we peons can't even afford the gas/hotel money for that. So our kids don't get that treatment. No, their lives are not the same as regular folks.
Posted by: cfo mom at April

same lives, different scale of surroundings. people are people. sad thing about people with lots of money having problems is that they do not have the belief that if they had money everything would be better.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 24, 2018 12:53 AM (MTjB1)

600 Caligirl - I am not offended. At all. I'm just sayin' that having money makes it easier on a person if/when they have bad things happen.

"They live very similar lives to poor people I know, they just do it in nicer suroundings."

Well that's exactly the same. Yeah. I bet they eat a lot of Kraft mac and cheese too. Not. I know what you're saying and I agree that everyone has their problems, but I really doubt they live like poor people. Folks who never have to wonder which bill to pay and which one they can let slide for a month do not know what it is like to be poor.

Posted by: cfo mom at April 24, 2018 12:53 AM (RfzVr)

601

REI quit being a primary backcountry store in 2000, went to yuppie slurpage and suggested retail pricing, dropped their usually quite good REI product lines and generally emasculated/emfeminated themselves. Pathetic...

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at April 24, 2018 12:53 AM (UFLLM)

602 After I looked up the comparisons, I was surprised at how cheap the other brands than Yeti weren't. Maybe ten per cent cheaper but that's it.

There is only so much market, it seems to me, for a 58 to 65 gallon cooler.
If I needed one for a camper or boat, I reckon I'd start with some standard materials and built one in to the unit, myself. If weight was not a factor, like in the back of the pickup, I might even use a refrigerator box, remove the mechanicals, and add more insulation. I think I can beat $300.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 24, 2018 12:54 AM (H5rtT)

603 572 Agreed. Like you said read his book. I never read it but I realize he spelled out his plans. I am not sure if operation Sea Lion would have worked but certainly one front is easier than two. That is a good point about the staging area.

I have also read about many Ukrainians welcoming the Germans as liberators, many turning in Jewish neighbors. War is hell. Those who had Hitler to the West and Stalin to the East were in no enviable life position.

Posted by: Quint at April 24, 2018 12:54 AM (n13/j)

604 My favorite illustration of the ruthlessness of power politics in WWII was Japan remaining neutral towards the USSR, while that country fought a death-struggle against Japan's Axis ally - which crucially allowed Lend-Lease aid (critical to the USSR's holding off/defeating Japan's ally) to flow from the US via Alaska and Siberia without any security issues.
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The same might be said of Stalin. He had no interest in dealing with Japan while the Hun was breathing down his neck. Of course, he declared war on Japan immediately after atom bombs were dropped.

But, the convoys of lend/lease goods suffered terribly at the hands of the Germans. The security issues were huge.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 24, 2018 12:55 AM (cp1if)

605 Don't see Mitt and Kamala ever facing each other in a
debate, but let's not be silly, she's an idiot and he's quite
intelligent, and there's every reason to think it would look like the
first debate against the affirmative action intern (where the
intellectual and gravitas disparity - with a sitting president no less -
was pretty obvious and funny).

Posted by: rhomboid at April 24, 2018 12:31 AM (QDnY+)
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and there's nothing to stop Mittens from throwing the next debate/s and the election, just as he did in 2012.

F that RINO piece of shit in particular.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 24, 2018 12:56 AM (xN9Bo)

606
Contemporary "rich" live in very large ranch houses, so to speak. They can't begin to afford the real mansions we used to see. They travel; they don't own the ship.

Eleanor Roosevelt at the start of World War I, Eleanor felt compelled to contribute in any way she could. "She held daily meetings with her ten servants to determine ways to cut waste ." Because of this ability to organize her family and servants effectively, she was as a model for large households by the Food Administration.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 24, 2018 12:56 AM (IqV8l)

607 Well that's exactly the same. Yeah. I bet they eat a lot of Kraft mac and cheese too. Not. I know what you're saying and I agree that everyone has their problems, but I really doubt they live like poor people. Folks who never have to wonder which bill to pay and which one they can let slide for a month do not know what it is like to be poor.
Posted by: cfo mom at April

ever been around someone wealthy going bankrupt? they may not have to worry about whether or not they can afford kraft mac and cheese, which no one should ever eat anyway, but the whole mess is collapsing on them and they are losing everything the same as someone in $500,000 house.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 24, 2018 12:56 AM (MTjB1)

608 539 Pay before you pump
Posted by: publius, the Persistently Priapic Poperin Pear at April 24,

Oh yeah, that's what the palm tells you huh?!

Posted by: publius's ficus at April 24, 2018 12:57 AM (TTItA)

609 IMHO not even the Stones with Taylor could do JJF justice without the tuning and guitar work of Jones and Richards on the original recording. It's a masterwork of guitar interplay that the Stones nor anybody else could recreate.
Posted by: otho at April 24, 2018 12:45 AM (7xR2D)

Yep,good point, I think MT, is a an underrated player. He is a technician while Keith is IMHO one of the greatest feel players OALT . MT & KR= oil and water, KR & RW= Perfect fit. Wonder how SF, LIB and Exile would have sounded with RW.

Posted by: Hedmonster Bolt at April 24, 2018 01:00 AM (BXzcL)

610 "Maybe I just personally know some extremely wealthy people that do their own grocery shopping, cook their own dinners etc"

I am in my family kind of a loser as far as title. My grandfather was a kind of famous lawyer for Wayne County in Michigan.My father was a Doctor. But both of those men could build a house, fix an electrical problem and do real plumbing. I am lucky those 2 guys raised me. And the Lawyer and Doctor parts were less important to my being self sufficient than the carpentry etc they taught me.

Point being as far as money I grew up really privileged. But my bigger privilege was the day to day stuff I was taught. And my Mom taught me grammar and manners. Just as important to become a successful adult.

Posted by: X-ray at April 24, 2018 01:00 AM (Rrifi)

611 I'm sure I've seen some accounts of fighting between USSR and Japan early in WWII, maybe even before most of it developed. The upshot was that neither of them sought another conflict, and were happy to utilize their forces elsewhere. But there were division-level border clashes, big battles, over Manchuria.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 24, 2018 01:01 AM (H5rtT)

612 The Who -Who's Next
The Rolling Stones - Sticky Fingers
Yes - Fragile
Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon

All albums of my youth. Is it any wonder I say most modern music sucks balls?

Oh, and one more for the list of great albums with iconic album covers: Emerson, Lake and Palmer - Brain Salad Surgery.

Posted by: RickZ at April 24, 2018 01:02 AM (oD9Tw)

613 Arctic convoy ships lost:

Alamar
Alcoa Cadet
Alcoa Ranger
Andrew G. Curtin
Bellingham
Carlton
Christopher Newport
City of Joliet
Daniel Morgan
Edward H. Crockett
Effingham
Executive
Fairfield City
Graylock
Heffron
Henry Bacon
Honomu
Hoosier
Horace Bushnell
Horace Gray *
Hybert
J L M Curry
John Penn
John Witherspoon
Kentucky
Mary Luckenbach
Massmar
Mormacsul
Oliver Ellsworth
Olopana
Oregonian
Pan Atlantic
Pan Kraft
Penelope Barker
Peter Kerr
Puerto Rican
Richard Bland
Silver Sword
Steel Worker
Syros
Thomas Donaldson
Thomas Scott
Wacosta
Washington
William Clark
William Hooper
William S Thayer

Aldersdale
Atheltemplar
Bolton Castle
Botavon
Cape Corso
Chulmleigh
Earlston
Empire Beaumont
Empire Byron
Empire Cowper
Empire Gilbert
Empire Howard
Empire Lawrence
Empire Purcell
Empire Ranger
Empire Sky
Empire Starlight
Empire Stevenson
Empire Tourist
Fort Bellingham
Goolistan
Gray Ranger
Harpalion
Hartlebury
Induna
Jutland
Lancaster Castle
Lowther Castle
Navarino
New Westminster City
Ocean Freedom
Ocean Voice
River Afton
Samsuva
Waziristan
Zaafaranr

Dekabrist
Donbass
Ijora
Kiev
Krasny Partizan
Kuznetz Lesov
Rodina
Stalingrad
Sukhona
Tsiolkovsky
Ufa

Africander
Ballot
Bateau
El Capitan
El Occidente
Exterminator
Macbeth
Raceland
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Allied Warship Losses:
Cruisers Edinburgh, Trinidad, destroyers Achates, Hardy, Mahratta, Matabele, Punjabi, Sokrushitelny, Somali, sloops Kite, Lark, Lapwing, frigate Goodall, corvettes Bluebell, Denbigh Castle, Tunsberg Castle, minesweepers Bramble, Gossamer, Leda and Niger, submarine P 551 (Jastrzab), armed whaler Shera.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 24, 2018 01:03 AM (FJXGr)

614 'Twas I whut posted 'bout the Rtic Coolers, last night.

https://www.rticcoolers.com/

I had posted to their being carried and sold at the Buc-ee's stores here in Texas, but I'll not post that link tonight, choosing instead to send y'all directly to the source.

That said, you get the same (or cheaper) prices at Buc-ee's, and in buying there, you help support a VERY patriotic, veteran supporting local enterprise.

Performance wise, the Rtic line is at least the equal of Yeti.

And Teh Horde really needs to bombard the NRA with the message to Adopt Rtic, as their new cooler supplier!

*break*

It's not quite truly Rock n' Roll.

But another album of the '70s that pretty much nailed it across the board, was Elton John's "Yellow Brick Road".

Maybe only one R&R song there, "Saturday Night's All Right for Fighting". Wait, one more... "Love Lies Bleeding In My Hand."

Enough rock to suffice, as the rest of the album was pretty damn complete in it's own right.

Differently. Chicago II. If I have to explain, you wouldn't understand. A tremendous blend of musical sophistication, bluesy, rockin, brassy sound, carried by some of the manliest vocals this side of Blood, Sweat and Tears.

Chicago with Kath... Classic Big Band that Rocked.

Post Kath. Whiny emo band with girly ballads sang in upper registers.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 24, 2018 01:03 AM (QzJWU)

615 yankeefifth you make a very good point. I have never been around any *really* wealthy people, but I have been around enough who made good money and did a poor job of managing it. Hubby and I have always tried to live by a philosophy of "If shit hits the fan, can we maintain?". Never overextending ourselves.

Posted by: cfo mom at April 24, 2018 01:03 AM (RfzVr)

616 CEO of REI was Obama's Sec of Interior?
In charge of all national parks, anyway.
Kid is a fairly serious hiker, and a runner. He likes their service.
I had to kind of shy away after that tie-up happened. Too much for me.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 24, 2018 01:03 AM (H5rtT)

617 >> Oh yeah, that's what the palm tells you huh?!

Where have you been my little foliant minx? I've built up quite a "debt" I owe you. Now, get ready for a burst of legal tender.... with interest.

Posted by: publius, the Persistently Priapic Poperin Pear at April 24, 2018 01:04 AM (8O3HH)

618 Posted by: cfo mom at April 24, 2018 12:53 AM (

I'm glad I didn't offend you.

The people I'm talking about specifically started out poor. They built their business from nothing over their lifetime. I'm friends with their kids.

That's probably why the people I'm thinking of are also very generous and normal.

They don't worry about money anymore, but they still have problems like we all do.

You are right they don't have to worry about what bills they can pay. I just always thought if I was rich I'd have no problems. I have learned that isn't really the case, the rich just have different sorts of problems.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 24, 2018 01:05 AM (2DYau)

619 Aetius, historical counter-factuals are fun but pure speculation, but I'm not so sure the eastern front was doable for Germany, starting in '41, '42, or ever.

Recall the Germans pretty much had their way with the Soviets up til December of '41, and then again (in the south) for spring/summer of '42. But it was just too much to chew. Even staying static in the center and north, and without an active western front, and winning (at that point) the Battle of the Atlantic, Germany broke its spear in '42, stalling out at Stalingrad and the North Caucasus. Their manpower problem was apparent even that early.

And another year for the Red Army to move ahead on its reboot/modernization, which was mid-stream in June '41, could have made for a far, far tougher time for the Wehrmacht. No better battle management, but much higher manning/equipping levels, training, and completion/manning of extensive fortifications that were incomplete in June '41 (Stumbling Colossus by Glantz describes an army caught 1/3 way into its comprehensive remodel).

Posted by: rhomboid at April 24, 2018 01:05 AM (QDnY+)

620 It was really a bad decision for the Germans, because even if the Japanese had attacked. They were still pulling those forces west. They would have sacrificed all of Siberia to hold the German front. The US war material being cut off would have hurt, but there was the other channel up thru Iran.

Posted by: Jean at April 24, 2018 01:05 AM (MS0+a)

621 594 -The thing is, hindsight is 20/20. And Germany was always 'on the clock' as far as resources went.

And that is the whole key. Sure they could have used the resources better and as Aces liver explained, possibly have eeked out a win. But in the end, the war was decided by resources. Sure the Germans had great technology, hell they had jets and rockets near the end.

The war was settled by the Americans and the American Way of War. The American way of war was to unleash a superior economy and outproduce all opponents. The Civil War set the precedent. If we can outproduce you, we can outlast you. It is great one Tiger tank is better than two Shermans, but we always have three Shermans*

Paraphrase from a famous quote.

Posted by: Quint at April 24, 2018 01:08 AM (n13/j)

622 The 'agreement' between Stalin and Hitler was always only as good as the paper it was printed on. They knew they would have to deal with the other at some point.

The whole agreement was a hard sell on the part of the Germans. Stalin pointed out what Hitler had written and the the way he'd demonized the Soviets. Hitler's response was basically "Hey, you know, that's politics. The people will forget when we give them something else to focus on."

Stalin bought it, because that's the sort of thing he would do. And then later when the Soviets observed the Germans building up troop numbers on the border, they believed the German excuse that it was just troop rotation from the Western front.

Stalin could be amazingly gullible for someone so calculating.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 24, 2018 01:08 AM (h2Bdk)

623 It's really tempting to post my present address hoping there's a nearby lurker searching for free shit.

Posted by: Robert at April 24, 2018 01:09 AM (ayUOl)

624 Caligirl - so true. Glad I will never know the pain of wondering which of my relatives is hankering for me to die so they can get their hands on my tupperware collection. Or maybe the Reverware.

lol

Posted by: cfo mom at April 24, 2018 01:11 AM (RfzVr)

625 Mike H., that's hardly fair - I only posed the six-ship UK casualty list for the Falklands ..... yours is quite a bit longer.

And there's a misunderstanding here. My point was that Lend-Lease to the USSR, via Alaska, was able to proceed without interdiction thanks to Japan's rational/cynical choice to fight only *some* of its German ally's enemies. Obviously I'm aware the Atlantic/Arctic convoy route was a brutal fight.

So 2 of 3 L-L pipelines to Russia (Pacific/Siberia, Iran/Caucasus) proceeded without interdiction by the Axis. Critical.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 24, 2018 01:11 AM (QDnY+)

626
492 of course Jeremiah Johnson was great mainly because of John Milius. (wrote the screenplay)
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 24, 2018 12:18 AM (V2Yro)

Never been disappointed by Mr. Milius in his choice of writing or firearms.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at April 24, 2018 01:12 AM (/xxOG)

627 The war was settled by the Americans and the American Way of War. The American way of war was to unleash a superior economy and outproduce all opponents.

That's received wisdom in the US. Reality is a little different, though. The vast majority of German troop strength and material was on the Eastern Front. Without that giant meat grinder there's no way D-day happens.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 24, 2018 01:12 AM (h2Bdk)

628 Just burn it Robert. A roll of tp, a bottle of rubbing alcohol, oops.

Posted by: cfo mom at April 24, 2018 01:13 AM (RfzVr)

629 Yep,good point, I think MT, is a an underrated player. He is a technician while Keith is IMHO one of the greatest feel players OALT . MT & KR= oil and water, KR & RW= Perfect fit. Wonder how SF, LIB and Exile would have sounded with RW.

Posted by: Hedmonster Bolt at April 24, 2018 01:00 AM

Those LP's would have sounded lame. Sorry, not a fan of Wood with the Stones. That was the end for me. You can hear something like what those LP's would have been like when they play those songs live. Adequate at best, but usually awful. Richards doesn't need a perfect fit. He needs a guitar partner that challenges him. Jones and Taylor did that. To be fair, it may not entirely be Woods' fault as a player. Woods offered little, but sometimes so did Jones when he was fucked up... but back then that made Richards work as hard as being challenged. By the late 70's, with Wood, Richards got lazy. So that the band had a Richards clone AND Richards himself halfassing it. Woods was great with the Faces though. I don't have an issue with him... he was just a poor fit for the Stones.

Posted by: otho at April 24, 2018 01:15 AM (7xR2D)

630 or Robert, there used to be freecycle email lists and there's always free stuff on CL and you can call Goodwill or SA and they'll come get stuff.

or if there's an Oxford House around, they need stuff.

oxfordvacancies.com

Posted by: booknlass at April 24, 2018 01:15 AM (xGMkv)

631 "They don't worry about money anymore, but they still have problems like we all do.
"

My Father told me an interesting life lesson. You can chase wealth but it doesn't help as much as you think it will. Because you will just spend on crap like the bigger cable channel package or a car that has a ton more options that don't help at all to get you where you want to go.

Posted by: X-ray at April 24, 2018 01:15 AM (Rrifi)

632 Stalin could be amazingly gullible for someone so calculating.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 24, 2018 01:08 AM (h2Bdk)

Yeah, I believe his ambassador was screaming for him to wake the blank up.

Posted by: Quint at April 24, 2018 01:15 AM (n13/j)

633 and did a poor job of managing it. Hubby and I have always tried to live by a philosophy of "If shit hits the fan, can we maintain?". Never overextending ourselves.
Posted by: cfo mom at April 24, 2018 01:03 AM (RfzV

That's just smart.

I see a lot of people going out of business in my area because they don't plan for the lean years.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 24, 2018 01:15 AM (2DYau)

634 617Where have you been my little foliant minx? I've built up quite a "debt" I owe you. Now, get ready for a burst of legal tender.... with interest.
Posted by: publius, the Persistently Priapic Poperin Pear at April 24, 2018 01:04 AM (8O3HH)

i'm carousing with the Disneyland topiary, You should have known better than to leave the drip tray with the rollers on me!

Posted by: publius's ficus at April 24, 2018 01:15 AM (TTItA)

635 Stalin could be amazingly gullible for someone so calculating.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 24, 2018 01:08 AM (h2Bdk)

It's not like Stalin had solid military advisors by that point. The Great Purge and all. Besides that, who in the Red Army would argue against The Boss (the real Boss, not the Springsteen one)? Stalin had a certain way with people who disagreed with him.

Posted by: RickZ at April 24, 2018 01:15 AM (oD9Tw)

636 he war was settled by the Americans and the
American Way of War. The American way of war was to unleash a superior
economy and outproduce all opponents.

That's received wisdom in the US. Reality is a little different,
though. The vast majority of German troop strength and material was on
the Eastern Front. Without that giant meat grinder there's no way D-day
happens.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 24, 2018 01:12 AM (h2Bdk)

Heh, when i read my post I knew that was coming. Of course the Russians played a huge part. You don't lose 20 million people without at least doing some damage to the other guy.

Posted by: Quint at April 24, 2018 01:16 AM (n13/j)

637 And another year for the Red Army to move ahead on its reboot/modernization, which was mid-stream in June '41, could have made for a far, far tougher time for the Wehrmacht. No better battle management, but much higher manning/equipping levels, training, and completion/manning of extensive fortifications that were incomplete in June '41 (Stumbling Colossus by Glantz describes an army caught 1/3 way into its comprehensive remodel).

Posted by: rhomboid at April 24, 2018 01:05 AM (QDnY+)

Had Hitler learned to employ the "Island Hopping" tactic we'd so successfully employed in the Pacific, he'd have just simply besieged Stalingrad, bypassed it, and attacked upward along all of its' supply lines, to their sources.

But he became fixated upon that city, by nothing more than it's name.

Had that city been isolated and bypassed, the then freed-up German divisions would have steamrolled their way Eastward, in short order.

Hitler was broken in WWII upon his very own ego.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 24, 2018 01:17 AM (QzJWU)

638 But the Russians we no saviors. If we had not done our job, the iron curtain would have just moved further West.

Posted by: Quint at April 24, 2018 01:17 AM (n13/j)

639 And then later when the Soviets observed the Germans building up troop numbers on the border...

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And, when the Brits freakin handed him German invasion plans, captured from an attache whose plane crashed in Norway, he refused to believe it. Imperialist provocation, you see.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 24, 2018 01:18 AM (UiRxW)

640 You don't lose 20 million people without at least doing some damage to the other guy.

Unless your CIC is Barky Oreceptive...

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at April 24, 2018 01:19 AM (UFLLM)

641 Mike H., that's hardly fair - I only posed the six-ship UK casualty list for the Falklands ..... yours is quite a bit longer.
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Never let a good opportunity for a Wall-O-Text go to waste.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 24, 2018 01:19 AM (y3sT9)

642 That's just smart.

I see a lot of people going out of business in my area because they don't plan for the lean years.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 24, 2018 01:15 AM (2DYau)

Pharoah's dreams, and Joseph interpreting them, baby!
But, those folks probably never read Genesis.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at April 24, 2018 01:19 AM (8iiMU)

643 Ace's liver, Stalin's pig-headed refusal to face facts on the impending German invasion was pretty amazing. For a guy who made it to #2 of all-time murdering tyrants (after Mao) through guile, caution, and very savvy realism.

Though I hope to read more on it, my current understanding is that Stalin refused all requests to move to higher alert/prepare forces in western districts - which were numerous and insistent in the weeks/days before June 22 - in a stupid quest not to "provoke" the Germans. Only in the middle of the night of June 21/22, too late, did he finally agree to Zhukov's request for urgent steps, based on multiple solid intel reports from line-crossing Germans who gave precise info about Barbarossa's opening moves.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 24, 2018 01:20 AM (QDnY+)

644 Rhomboid,

The skyview motel in Los Alamos is supposed to be opening soon. Some of my friends are going to do a girls weekend there. They showed me some pictures and it looks really cool.

It doesn't look ready when I've seen it but I hear they are doing a soft opening.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 24, 2018 01:21 AM (2DYau)

645

Hitler Got Woke, Went Broke...

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at April 24, 2018 01:21 AM (UFLLM)

646 https://thediplomat.com/2012/08/the-forgotten-
soviet-japanese-war-of-1939/

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 24, 2018 01:21 AM (xN9Bo)

647 "But the Russians we no saviors."

The 60 plus million of their population they killed would probably agree.

Posted by: X-ray at April 24, 2018 01:22 AM (Rrifi)

648 But he became fixated upon that city, by nothing more than it's name.

Had that city been isolated and bypassed, the then freed-up German divisions would have steamrolled their way Eastward, in short order.

Hitler was broken in WWII upon his very own ego.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 24, 2018 01:17 AM (QzJWU)

Same for the Siege of Leningrad. The name of the city.

And, when the Brits freakin handed him German invasion plans, captured from an attache whose plane crashed in Norway, he refused to believe it. Imperialist provocation, you see.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 24, 2018 01:18 AM (UiRxW)

Stalin didn't believe his own spy in Japan, Richard Sorge, who also issued warnings. Sorge was hanged by the Japanese and was later commemorated on postage stamps in the USSR.

Posted by: RickZ at April 24, 2018 01:22 AM (oD9Tw)

649 Well, I'm out of here for the night, have a good one everybody.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 24, 2018 01:23 AM (2DYau)

650 good night, CaliGirl.

I'll follow. I'm past my bedtime!

Posted by: booknlass at April 24, 2018 01:23 AM (xGMkv)

651 Time for me. Much more comfortable sleeping in bed than on the keyboard.

Goodnite, good people Stay safe and warm.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 24, 2018 01:25 AM (S/hVx)

652 Yes I forgot what others have noted, Stalin also had solid western intel (and even intel from Soviet networks) that described Barbarossa accurately.

And Zhukov and a few others did not hesitate to argue for important points with Stalin. Within certain limits, obviously. There was one general (forget his name at the moment) who actually argued with gusto, to the amazement of others, and the apparent amusement and appreciation of Stalin, who never made a move against him.

From an earlier comment, Zhukov had bested the Japanese in their border clashes in the east in '39. His successes there - and his distance from the carnage of the Red Army purges - both saved him and put him on track to the top.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 24, 2018 01:25 AM (QDnY+)

653
These are the leaked docs (Soros foundations and stuff) from DCLeaks.com, back in April 2016. Almost all of the references online wiped out.

Mega.nz link:

https://mega.nz/#F!kp8DlTgS!xvKO1NgmOZcNtEifQYaUfw

Posted by: Monk at April 24, 2018 01:27 AM (J567a)

654 Heh, when i read my post I knew that was coming. Of course the Russians played a huge part. You don't lose 20 million people without at least doing some damage to the other guy.
Posted by: Quint at April 24, 2018 01:16 AM (n13/j)

I have always been amazed the Soviets managed to hold out. Sure, the Germans screwed up by not making a single, unified thrust into Moscow, and Stalin was unimaginably brutal in his prosecution of the war effort. Even so, I would have expected the Germans to win.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 24, 2018 01:27 AM (h2Bdk)

655 That's received wisdom in the US. Reality is a little different, though. The vast majority of German troop strength and material was on the Eastern Front. Without that giant meat grinder there's no way D-day happens.
Posted by: Ace's liver
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Which is why Churchill was so accommodating to Stalin. He knew what a prick Stalin was, and his post-war aspirations. He, in fact, despised Stalin, but kept stroking and stoking the guy in order that the Russians would maintain the fight. It certainly was not out of sympathy for the Russians.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 24, 2018 01:27 AM (9tO1t)

656 Remember the porno version title of it? "Jeremiah's Johnson."

There was something special about old-time Porn titles - like Ram-Bone

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 24, 2018 12:19 AM (V2Yro)

"Splendor In The Ass." Sometimes I think George Carlin had a side gig writing porn titles.

Posted by: RickZ at April 24, 2018 01:28 AM (oD9Tw)

657 I like what Pearl Bailey, IIRC, said about money:

"I've been rich. I've been poor. Rich is better."

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 24, 2018 01:28 AM (8gDQu)

658 CaliGirl, thanks for the motel info!

That must be the place the cashier at whats-his-name's deli (Plenty on Bell) was talking about last year - she said another old motel was being updated.

I will check it out. Might be doing a short trip up there again in June.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 24, 2018 01:28 AM (QDnY+)

659 >>>Contemporary "rich" live in very large ranch houses, so to speak. They can't begin to afford the real mansions we used to see.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 24, 2018 12:47 AM (H5rtT)

I guess things are different here in California, the hyper-rich will still build houses the size of cathedrals on sizeable acreages.

Posted by: Surfperch at April 24, 2018 01:28 AM (HRTU/)

660 Even so, I would have expected the Germans to win.
Posted by: Ace's liver
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There were very deliberate efforts by the allies to draw off as many German resources as possible, viz. N. Africa, Italy.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 24, 2018 01:29 AM (9tO1t)

661 (180) Yup. I knew somebody was going to bring that up. My original copy with the zipper has a BB sized minor dent in it.
The glue on the zipper only lasted about 20 years, after I moved twice, no zipper.
P.S. The mix on Sway sounded real odd to me.

Posted by: Burger Chef at April 24, 2018 01:30 AM (RuIsu)

662 657 I like what Pearl Bailey, IIRC, said about money:

"I've been rich. I've been poor. Rich is better."
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 24, 2018 01:28 AM (8gDQu)

I don't think being born rich or going from poor to rich makes you happy. But I'm pretty sure going from rich to poor makes you unhappy.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 24, 2018 01:31 AM (h2Bdk)

663 I guess things are different here in California, the hyper-rich will still build houses the size of cathedrals on sizeable acreages.
Posted by: Surfperch
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7000 sq. ft. houses, with two people living there.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 24, 2018 01:31 AM (9tO1t)

664 I like what Pearl Bailey, IIRC, said about money:

"I've been rich. I've been poor. Rich is better."

Fortune cookie I cracked open while in High School had this little gem:

"Poverty is inconvenient, try to avoid it."

Posted by: Blanco Basura - It's OK, I'm with the banned at April 24, 2018 01:32 AM (IcT7t)

665 I don't think being born rich or going from poor to rich makes you happy. But I'm pretty sure going from rich to poor makes you unhappy.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 24, 2018 01:31 AM (h2Bdk)

And, if you don't like being rich you can always give it all away (or give away as much as you think you need to to be happy). So, being rich seems to win on all fronts.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 24, 2018 01:33 AM (8gDQu)

666 The BBC reports that Soviet intelligence warned Hitler 47 times of impending German attack and the day it would happen during the10 days leading up to the attack. I think this puts the whole "Churchill new about Pearl Harbor" thing into a bit of perspective.

Posted by: Quint at April 24, 2018 01:34 AM (n13/j)

667 663 I guess things are different here in California, the hyper-rich will still build houses the size of cathedrals on sizeable acreages.
Posted by: Surfperch
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7000 sq. ft. houses, with two people living there.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 24, 2018 01:31 AM (9tO1t)

In my area all the new houses are around 4000 sq ft. I wouldn't call that a mansion, exactly, but it's still a pretty big house.

The funny part is the lots are the same size as those for the existing 1300 sq ft houses, so they look almost like townhouses.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 24, 2018 01:34 AM (h2Bdk)

668 Ace's liver, after reading (well, most of it, anyway - it's more like a physics textbook than history) Glantz's "Colossus Reborn", I really doubt Germany ever had a chance.

As I noted above, with no western front and a static north/central front and winning the Battle of the Atlantic, and before the large bombing campaigns against German industry and cities, the Wehrmacht was just about a spent force after its huge southern offensives against Stalingrad and the Caucasus.

The logistics (a weak point of the Germans in any case) were just not there. And as Glantz describes, the Soviets just buried them in new/replacement formations, that never seemed to stop coming. First two years, Germans owned the summer, Russkis owned the winter, but after Kursk, Germans were just fighting one gigantic rear-guard action. Sustained or decisive offense was out of the question.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 24, 2018 01:34 AM (QDnY+)

669 Just knowing that all of the bills will be paid would suit me. It doesn't take much of an unexpected expense to cause us to sweat blood.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 24, 2018 01:35 AM (nBBdT)

670 I guess things are different here in California, the hyper-rich will still build houses the size of cathedrals on sizeable acreages.

Posted by: Surfperch at April 24, 2018 01:28 AM (HRTU/)

The CA hyper rich are richer than the Vanderbilts and Morgans of their day.

So, hyper mansions, hyper acreages, natch.

Those Midwest "rich?" A highly successful low end multimillionaire owner of a multi-state grocery chain, for an example. Might have a net worth in the low to mid 100s of Millions.

Contrast that with an early investor dot com Billionaire.

Thousands of Millions.

Me, I'd be happy to achieve a mere million. I could make that carry me till I die.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 24, 2018 01:36 AM (QzJWU)

671 Well, all kinds of shit going down while I was out gallivanting around today. Any I.D. on the van jihadi in Trawna? And it seems that Nicaragua has been suffering riots over pension reforms.

Can any Morons bring me up to date?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 24, 2018 01:38 AM (WFV7d)

672 Quint not sure what exactly you mean about putting Pearl Harbor intel in perspective, but of course that Japanese operation was an audacious single task force job, unprecedented in history or since, observing radio silence.

Barbarossa had one of the largest, most visible preparations in history, taking place over months, with no plausible explanation other than invasion, and the entire (rational, intelligent) Soviet leadership recognized it pretty far in advance. Stalin really was the problem.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 24, 2018 01:38 AM (QDnY+)

673 As I noted above, with no western front and a static north/central front and winning the Battle of the Atlantic, and before the large bombing campaigns against German industry and cities, the Wehrmacht was just about a spent force after its huge southern offensives against Stalingrad and the Caucasus.

And yet they came as close to winning as you can get without actually winning. And look what measures the Soviets took to stay alive - not many countries will send men into battle without weapons and shoot them if they retreat.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 24, 2018 01:39 AM (h2Bdk)

674 Me, I'd be happy to achieve a mere million. I could make that carry me till I die.

Posted by: Jim at April 24, 2018 01:36 AM (QzJWU)
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so, no boat, eh?

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 24, 2018 01:40 AM (n0ufP)

675 people who say money can't buy happiness don't know where to shop.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 24, 2018 01:42 AM (n0ufP)

676 Barbarossa had one of the largest, most visible preparations in history, taking place over months, with no plausible explanation other than invasion, and the entire (rational, intelligent) Soviet leadership recognized it pretty far in advance. Stalin really was the problem.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 24, 2018 01:38 AM (QDnY+)

This single paragraph replaces utterly, oh so many useless and redundant history books.

Ah, well. I'll grant that they're not fully useless and redundant.

But all they do really, is to recount the facts in more finely ground detail.

Rhomboid in this case though, nails it in one.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 24, 2018 01:42 AM (QzJWU)

677 674 Me, I'd be happy to achieve a mere million. I could make that carry me till I die.

Posted by: Jim at April 24, 2018 01:36 AM (QzJWU)
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so, no boat, eh?

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 24, 2018 01:40 AM (n0ufP)

The health care situation in this country well and truly sucks. You're taking a big chance retiring early with only a million.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 24, 2018 01:43 AM (h2Bdk)

678 I have always been amazed the Soviets managed to
hold out. Sure, the Germans screwed up by not making a single, unified
thrust into Moscow, and Stalin was unimaginably brutal in his
prosecution of the war effort. Even so, I would have expected the
Germans to win.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 24, 2018 01:27 AM (h2Bdk)

One thing you rarely here is that the Russians are not tough. And they love them some Fatherland. I think at some point the average German soldier started to think, "what are we doing here again?" and "Why is is to damn cold?" Not to mention Hitler's maniacal orders to not even allow tactical retreats. And of course the no winter gear sucked I am sure.

Posted by: Quint at April 24, 2018 01:43 AM (n13/j)

679 Ace's liver, after reading (well, most of it, anyway - it's more like a physics textbook than history) Glantz's "Colossus Reborn", I really doubt Germany ever had a chance.

As I noted above, with no western front and a static north/central front and winning the Battle of the Atlantic, and before the large bombing campaigns against German industry and cities, the Wehrmacht was just about a spent force after its huge southern offensives against Stalingrad and the Caucasus.

The logistics (a weak point of the Germans in any case) were just not there. And as Glantz describes, the Soviets just buried them in new/replacement formations, that never seemed to stop coming. First two years, Germans owned the summer, Russkis owned the winter, but after Kursk, Germans were just fighting one gigantic rear-guard action. Sustained or decisive offense was out of the question.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 24, 2018 01:34 AM

I haven't read that book, but my research from back in the day into eastern front history concludes likewise. It would have taken a a surrender by the Russians to obtain victory in the east. The Germans didn't even have a serious strategic bombing force. The Germans also didn't look towards introducing newer designs that might have helped until it was too late. Everything was geared towards finishing things in one campaign in a single season. They could not have acheived that in Russia. Not even in 1941.

Posted by: otho at April 24, 2018 01:45 AM (7xR2D)

680 The germans really needed a few smart jewish guys to build them some atomic bombs.

Posted by: Jean at April 24, 2018 01:45 AM (MS0+a)

681 Never overextending ourselves.
Posted by: cfo mom at April

good plan.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 24, 2018 01:45 AM (MTjB1)

682 >>>Contemporary "rich" live in very large ranch houses, so to speak. They can't begin to afford the real mansions we used to see.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 24, 2018 12:47 AM (H5rtT)

IMO the moderately rich can't build those same mansions due to taxes. Which really hurt the economy of the place where the mansion would be built in all the non government stuff the person that owns the mansion would pay other people to do.

On an odd side thought. Auto correct is fucking up the meanings of my posts

Posted by: X-ray at April 24, 2018 01:45 AM (Rrifi)

683 so, no boat, eh?

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 24, 2018 01:40 AM (n0ufP)

Yes Boat, futhermucker.

Because I know how to shop for and buy the damned things.

My purchasing skills are not just limited to firearms, I'll have you know.

*yachtsman's disdainful sniff and dismissal*

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 24, 2018 01:47 AM (QzJWU)

684 bitchy tonight, aren't we?

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 24, 2018 01:49 AM (n0ufP)

685
Van Morrison acts like he hates his fans. I can attest.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at April 23, 2018 10:42 PM (+Tibp)

I have heard that Van is painfully shy, and is simply frightened by interacting with strangers.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 24, 2018 01:50 AM (WFV7d)

686 One thing you rarely here is that the Russians are not tough. And they love them some Fatherland. I think at some point the average German soldier started to think, "what are we doing here again?" and "Why is is to damn cold?" Not to mention Hitler's maniacal orders to not even allow tactical retreats. And of course the no winter gear sucked I am sure.
Posted by: Quint at April 24, 2018 01:43 AM (n13/j)

Yeah. Hitler was a big risk taker. It paid of big time in France. In Russia... not so much. The invasion got started three weeks later than planned - if it had gone off on time they may not have needed the winter gear.

You're right about Hitler's micromanagement, too. The Germans lost half a million troops they didn't need to lose as a result, and those guys would have been handy to have around later.

If Hitler's gamble in France had failed he probably would have been removed. He didn't get complete dictatorial control over the military until mid-1942, about six months after the first major Russian counterattack.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 24, 2018 01:51 AM (h2Bdk)

687 672
Quint not sure what exactly you mean about putting Pearl Harbor intel in
perspective, but of course that Japanese operation was an audacious
single task force job, unprecedented in history or since, observing
radio silence.

Barbarossa had one of the largest, most visible preparations in
history, taking place over months, with no plausible explanation other
than invasion, and the entire (rational, intelligent) Soviet leadership
recognized it pretty far in advance. Stalin really was the problem.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 24, 2018 01:38 AM (QDnY+)
I guess I am saying it is easy to imply Churchill or Roosevelt or whomever had "advance knowledge" of an attack. Just like many say Bush was warned about 9/11. From my readings of history, the fog of war is very real and multifaceted. You can't look back and say "see this guy knew, it is his fault" when the reality is intel is coming in all the time and people have to make decisions all the time.To be clear, I think it is unfair and blame any ally for "allowing Pearl Harbor to happen". Reason one is that is assumes intel always works out, and reason two is that the War would have happened anyway. Of course I am open to other ideas and learning more on the subject, like all subjects.

Posted by: Quint at April 24, 2018 01:52 AM (n13/j)

688 The health care situation in this country well and truly sucks. You're taking a big chance retiring early with only a million.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 24, 2018 01:43 AM (h2Bdk)

I'm already Sixty. I have no plans to try to live to 100.

In perspective, cause I have older family dying off at an impressive pace.

IF I make 75, I'm cookin' with gas. And if not?

Who gives a shit?

Whatever estate I bequeath, is going to the NRA ILA. And I don't think they're going to kill me early to cash in.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 24, 2018 01:53 AM (QzJWU)

689 Thinking of a song Feel The Wall

Posted by: Luann at April 24, 2018 01:56 AM (7ZiDC)

690 IMO the moderately rich can't build those same mansions due to taxes. Which really hurt the economy of the place where the mansion would be built in all the non government stuff the person that owns the mansion would pay other people to do.
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I am always astounded that the Biltmore Estate has survived largely intact, though some property has been split off. They have managed to monetize the property via tourism.

I'm quite certain that the remainder of the family rue the fact that Edith Vanderbilt gifted 86,000 acres to the forest service.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 24, 2018 01:57 AM (5OO3x)

691
You know what rock star is actually a nice guy? Bruce Springsteen. Yeah,
he's a tough taskmaster of his crew and band (hence, The Boss) but his
band and crew come running whenever he calls them up for a tour.
He's always spotted around The Jersey Shore walking the beaches and boardwalks and poses for pictures with fans.
Yeah, he's an asshole when it comes to politics. but he claims that members of his family are Republican.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 23, 2018 10:52 PM (mc8++)

I once chatted with a guy from a local Alberta rockabilly band that opened for George Thorogood and the Destroyers. They said he was nothing but kind, gracious, and supporting to them. Could not say enough nice things about him.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 24, 2018 01:57 AM (WFV7d)

692 Not to mention Hitler's maniacal orders to not even allow tactical retreats. And of course the no winter gear sucked I am sure.
Posted by: Quint at April 24, 2018 01:43 AM (n13/j)

Hitler also did not understand (remarkably it seems) German Doctrine. It depended on very fast very mobile strikes. However, he wanted to win static big, symbolic engagements. The list is endless: Leningrad, Stalingrad, Kursk. When he let his Generals roll, (Mannstein for example in '42) they made mincemeat of the Soviets. But he kept nailing their feet down in these engagements, and sacrificed SO very many men and material that they could just not recover. It is kind of sad.

Germany vs the Soviets is one of those instances where you very much wanted them both to lose. However, it is probably best that it turned out the way it did. There was something on the order of 240 divisions tied up on the eastern front. If they win there, or even are able to draw down the active divisions? And are able to bring them back to the west? No one is getting into Europe.

Imagine the Nazis with all the resources of Russia. That is one scary thought.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at April 24, 2018 01:58 AM (R12el)

693 * Bursts in through the front door *

IT'S WAR! THE YANKEES ARE... oh, hey, are those donuts? Mm.

So, I'm back in for a bit. Hi.

I read upthread a little bit and it looks like we're studying World War II and lamenting personal financial situations?

Guess which of those two topics has also been weighing especially heavily on my mind today. Hint: the latter. Can I borrow a couple thou 'til next Tuesday? or the next Powerball, whichever comes first?

Oh, and only seven references to "beaver" in the comments tonight? The weekend fever seems to be fading. Whew.

Posted by: mindful webworker just won't go away quietly at April 24, 2018 01:59 AM (RUbKA)

694 I once chatted with a guy from a local Alberta rockabilly band that opened for George Thorogood and the Destroyers. They said he was nothing but kind, gracious, and supporting to them. Could not say enough nice things about him.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 24, 2018 01:57 AM (WFV7d)

That's an act I would have loved to see live when I didn't have the money for it.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 24, 2018 01:59 AM (h2Bdk)

695 Germany vs the Soviets is one of those instances where you very much wanted them both to lose. However, it is probably best that it turned out the way it did.

It's easy to say that now that we know the USSR collapsed peacefully. There was a whole lot of Duck & Cover in between.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 24, 2018 02:01 AM (h2Bdk)

696 Why did the Germans delay for the Balkans? There was no real threat of a Slavic counter attack from the South.

Posted by: Jean at April 24, 2018 02:01 AM (MS0+a)

697 Why did the Germans delay for the Balkans? There was no real threat of a Slavic counter attack from the South.

Posted by: Jean at April 24, 2018 02:01 AM

To bail out Italy.

Posted by: otho at April 24, 2018 02:02 AM (7xR2D)

698 Obama claimed Kamala Harris "by far, the best looking Attorney General in the country".
Has he never seen Pam Bondi of Florida???

Posted by: John Pearson at April 24, 2018 02:03 AM (MPa77)

699 That's an act I would have loved to see live when I didn't have the money for it.
Posted by: Ace's liver
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Myself, the femme du jour, and another couple went to see George Thorohgood and the Destroyers in Atlanta. When we got there, a guy at the door looked at our tickets and said, "Uh, we've got speakers stacked in such a way that you wouldn't be able to see the stage from these seats, but instead we have some front-row seats for you."

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 24, 2018 02:05 AM (nBBdT)

700 695 Germany vs the Soviets is one of those instances where you very much wanted them both to lose. However, it is probably best that it turned out the way it did.

It's easy to say that now that we know the USSR collapsed peacefully. There was a whole lot of Duck & Cover in between.
Posted by: Ace's liver at April 24, 2018 02:01 AM (h2Bdk)

Granted.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at April 24, 2018 02:05 AM (R12el)

701 686 - Yeah. Hitler was a big risk taker. It paid of big time in France. In
Russia... not so much. The invasion got started three weeks later than
planned - if it had gone off on time they may not have needed the winter
gear.

The one thing that keeps coming up over and over whenever I read battle histories is timing. How many times would a unit arriving on the battlefield in a more timely fashion made a difference?. From what I can tell, pretty much all of them.

Posted by: Quint at April 24, 2018 02:05 AM (n13/j)

702 697 Why did the Germans delay for the Balkans? There was no real threat of a Slavic counter attack from the South.

Posted by: Jean at April 24, 2018 02:01 AM

To bail out Italy.
Posted by: otho at April 24, 2018 02:02 AM (7xR2D)

The Italian story is pretty funny. Hitler originally planned to start the war in 1943 because that's when Mussolini said he'd be ready, and when he'd have the 600 submarines he promised D�nitz. Then Mussolini kept pushing the date back. By 1939 he was telling Hitler he wouldn't be ready until 1946.

That's when Adolf said "Fuck it. Hold my beer."

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 24, 2018 02:06 AM (h2Bdk)

703 I am at a cross road in my life. Not really old enough to retire but have enough resources to do so. At the lifestyle I'm good with living. Do I keep on doing what others expect or just quit?

Posted by: X-ray at April 24, 2018 02:06 AM (Rrifi)

704 operation beaverossa

Posted by: Quint at April 24, 2018 02:07 AM (n13/j)

705 "Uh, we've got speakers stacked in such a way that you wouldn't be able to see the stage from these seats, but instead we have some front-row seats for you."
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 24, 2018 02:05 AM (nBBdT)

That's when you knew there was a God?

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 24, 2018 02:07 AM (h2Bdk)

706 and don't start on my account

Posted by: Quint at April 24, 2018 02:07 AM (n13/j)

707 703 I am at a cross road in my life. Not really old enough to retire but have enough resources to do so. At the lifestyle I'm good with living. Do I keep on doing what others expect or just quit?
Posted by: X-ray at April 24, 2018 02:06 AM (Rrifi)

Depends on how much enjoyment, social interaction, and self worth you get from your job.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 24, 2018 02:09 AM (h2Bdk)

708 Posted by: X-ray at April 24, 2018 02:06 AM (Rrifi)

Retire, tomorrow is promised to no one

Congrats!

Posted by: Misanthroic Humanitarian at April 24, 2018 02:10 AM (3Pma+)

709 I am always astounded that the Biltmore Estate has survived largely intact, though some property has been split off. They have managed to monetize the property via tourism.

I'm quite certain that the remainder of the family rue the fact that Edith Vanderbilt gifted 86,000 acres to the forest service.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 24, 2018 01:57 AM (5OO3x)

Talking 'bout riches, here you go.

Prior to the Great Storm of 1900, https://tinyurl.com/o4jc5jn, the City of Galveston was considered the Wall Street of the South.

The Moody family pretty much put the island on the map, starting in the cotton processing busness just after the Civil War.

Followed by the Moody National Bank, American National Insurance Company (now one of the 50 largest insurers in the U.S.), and etc.

"etc", to include... the oilfield technology known as "fracking". Said patent held by George Mitchell Moody, who passed away here only 3 years ago.

Point is. the Moody Charitable Trust, sits only just below the Bill & Melissa Gates Foundation, in size.

Ever hear the Sunday morning Talking Heads mention something like "Moody's Bond Rating Service has lowered Detroit's bond rating status to "JUNK"?

Yeah, THAT Moody's.

And the Moody's Mansion here is open as a tourist attraction and Museum Tour.

They might not have had the acreage.

But the fucking A well had the dollareage.

And Still DO.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 24, 2018 02:10 AM (QzJWU)

710 X-ray: cash in everything and bet it all on 00 in roulette at Caesar's Palace. Can't lose.

If that works, I want 5%.

Posted by: mindful webworker is full of the best advice at April 24, 2018 02:10 AM (RUbKA)

711 Good morning, night people.

Posted by: RI Red - Bandana Republican at April 24, 2018 02:13 AM (o+PrI)

712 That's when Adolf said "Fuck it. Hold my beer."

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 24, 2018 02:06 AM (h2Bdk)

The Italians are lovers not fighters.

Posted by: Quint at April 24, 2018 02:14 AM (n13/j)

713 .
beaver
beaver
beaver
beaver
beaver
mushroom!

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 24, 2018 02:14 AM (n0ufP)

714 $75 a pop to tour the biltmore. With a bazillion people all at the same time. It would be cool to actually see anything.

Posted by: NCKate at April 24, 2018 02:14 AM (bCtf/)

715 Moonlight Mile is one of the great unheralded Stones tracks. Perfect arrangement.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 23, 2018 11:41 PM (mc8++)

IMHO, a hidden treasure in the Stones' catalog is "Spider and the Fly" with Mick on harmonica and vocals. Sly and funny, it is.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 24, 2018 02:15 AM (WFV7d)

716 Depends on how much enjoyment, social interaction, and self worth you get from your job.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 24, 2018 02:09 AM (h2Bdk)

I don't hate my job and not to be boastful am really good at it. The having to get up every day and the social interaction are the things that make me keep going.

Posted by: X-ray at April 24, 2018 02:16 AM (Rrifi)

717 Damn iPad keeps freezing up since last update.

Posted by: RI Red - Bandana Republican at April 24, 2018 02:16 AM (o+PrI)

718 I am at a cross road in my life. Not really old enough to retire but have enough resources to do so.
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Just be certain that you have *very* conservatively anticipated your financial needs.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 24, 2018 02:17 AM (cp1if)

719 I retire.

Hasta la nite nite, Horde!

(nothing further)

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 24, 2018 02:18 AM (QzJWU)

720 Driving home tonight I was reminded of the joke...

Why did the chicken cross the road?

To show the possum* it could be done.

Or IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE not, as tonight's grisly roadkill attests.

(*Actually, I heard it as aardvarks, but possums work.)

Posted by: mindful webworker - I accelerate for hallucinations at April 24, 2018 02:19 AM (RUbKA)

721 Night Jim.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at April 24, 2018 02:19 AM (R12el)

722 If you get sick, get treated overseas.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 24, 2018 02:20 AM (rnAwa)

723 Lots of Manuel Labor yesterday and no Motrin.

Posted by: RI Red - Bandana Republican at April 24, 2018 02:24 AM (o+PrI)

724 X-ray: cash in everything and bet it all on 00 in roulette at Caesar's Palace. Can't lose.

If that works, I want 5%.

Posted by: mindful webworker is full of the best advice at April 24, 2018 02:10 AM (RUbKA)
My path is not gambling to double my money. But to live in the woods at my family's cabin. If I do this fairly stupid thing I'm contemplating. You are more than welcome to the guest room.

Posted by: X-ray at April 24, 2018 02:25 AM (Rrifi)

725 Holla, overnighters!

There's something good and northern about that top picture. Have we talked about it? It seems like it should be Nova Scotia or Norway.

I shall endeavor to figure out where we are in the thread.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 24, 2018 02:26 AM (fuK7c)

726 Wow. I missed this earlier:

157 hi mindful! where do you get your energy? are you a health food eater? bicyclist?
Posted by: booknlass at April 23, 2018 10:54 PM

She's long gone now, I presume. But I thought...

Energy? Energy?? Moi??

Heh, despite being 29, I'm an old man still recovering from some bad health stuff a couple of years ago, and I sleep a lot more than I used to. I try to walk a little bit more every day weather and joint pains permitting. Brain seems slow viz the old days.

She must've been thinking of some other mindful.

Posted by: mindful webworker using both hands to push mouse around at April 24, 2018 02:26 AM (RUbKA)

727 Shit. Hola, not holla.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 24, 2018 02:26 AM (fuK7c)

728 712. The Italians are lovers not fighters.
Posted by: Quint at April 24, 2018 02:14 AM (n13/j)

Is true!

Posted by: Paolo at April 24, 2018 02:31 AM (HRTU/)

729 IMHO, a hidden treasure in the Stones' catalog is "Spider and the Fly" with Mick on harmonica and vocals. Sly and funny, it is.

Yes! Also, Mick adjusted it for age. They did it again for a live acoustic album.

In the original "she was common, flirty, looked about thirty, she said she liked the way I held the microphone".

At that point, thirty was old, older than the narrator in the song.

Then the Stones are in their sixties and it was "she was common, shifty, she looked about fifty". It's no longer an older woman, but it's still not a twentysomething supermodel fantasy. It's a real girl you meet somewhere.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 24, 2018 02:32 AM (fuK7c)

730 Shit. Hola, not holla.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 24, 2018 02:26 AM (fuK7c)
Somebody was listening.

Posted by: Vannila Ice at April 24, 2018 02:33 AM (Rrifi)

731 Bander, what are you doing up at zero dark thirty?

Posted by: RI Red - Bandana Republican at April 24, 2018 02:35 AM (o+PrI)

732 Goodnight all, thanks for the great chat tonight.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 24, 2018 02:36 AM (eMKNe)

733 730 Shit. Hola, not holla.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 24, 2018 02:26 AM (fuK7c)
Somebody was listening.
Posted by: Vannila Ice at April 24, 2018 02:33 AM (Rrifi)

Bob from the NSA is always listening.

Posted by: Surfperch at April 24, 2018 02:36 AM (HRTU/)

734 Night qdpsteve.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at April 24, 2018 02:37 AM (R12el)

735 Goodnight qdpsteve!

Posted by: Surfperch at April 24, 2018 02:37 AM (HRTU/)

736 Bob from the NSA is always listening.
Posted by: Surfperch at April 24, 2018 02:36 AM (HRTU/)

Well, he could be taking a dumpo, but he is just out in the hall.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at April 24, 2018 02:37 AM (R12el)

737 Goodnight qdpsteve.
Goodnight Moon.
Good night Moron Horde
and barrel-spittoon.

Posted by: mindful webworker - good grief! at April 24, 2018 02:38 AM (RUbKA)

738 Bander, what are you doing up at zero dark thirty?

Ummm, looking for witty repartee with like minded morons? Killing time 'til the onset of Morpheus? Poking sticks at the Horde to see if anything moves?

Why do I need an excuse?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 24, 2018 02:38 AM (fuK7c)

739 Night MW.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at April 24, 2018 02:40 AM (R12el)

740 'Night Mindful!

Posted by: Surfperch at April 24, 2018 02:41 AM (HRTU/)

741 *casts chicken bones*

OK, I'm now fortelling the way each of y'all is going to die.

Happy now?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 24, 2018 02:42 AM (fuK7c)

742 I'll take the witty repartee. Just don't hit me with a stick.

Posted by: RI Red - Bandana Republican at April 24, 2018 02:46 AM (o+PrI)

743 Poking sticks at the Horde to see if anything moves?

Why do I need an excuse?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 24, 2018 02:38 AM (fuK7c)

Oy! You need a loisence and a valid reason to own and poke things with a stick!

Posted by: British Police at April 24, 2018 02:46 AM (HRTU/)

744 741 *casts chicken bones*

OK, I'm now fortelling the way each of y'all is going to die.

Happy now?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 24, 2018 02:42 AM (fuK7c)

Not really, considering I'm already dead!

Posted by: Tonight's ONT at April 24, 2018 02:50 AM (HRTU/)

745 Well, gravity has gotten a grip on my eyelids, so i am going to hit the sack. Night, Horde.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 24, 2018 02:51 AM (WFV7d)

746 Night AOP.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at April 24, 2018 02:54 AM (R12el)

747 Isn't feeding your dog chicken bones a bad thing? My dogs seemed to tolerate them well when they stole them from the trash.

Posted by: X-ray at April 24, 2018 03:33 AM (Rrifi)

748 Ok, read all 746 comments. Thread is dead/dying.
Good night/morning, all.

Posted by: RI Red - Bandana Republican at April 24, 2018 03:35 AM (o+PrI)

749 Isn't feeding your dog chicken bones a bad thing? My dogs seemed to tolerate them well when they stole them from the trash.

Posted by: X-ray at April 24, 2018 03:33 AM (Rrifi)

Forget specifics, but seems like it has to do w/ the brittleness of the bones if cooked a certain way (fried v boiled v raw)

Posted by: dDan at April 24, 2018 03:37 AM (hwYmz)

750 Have always heard about dogs and chicken bones, they can break apart easily and then get caught inside.

Posted by: Skip at April 24, 2018 03:42 AM (aC6Sd)

751 I heard the stories about chicken or any bird bones being harmful to dogs. So because I liked my dogs I never gave them bird bones. But they would get them and chocolate every so often. And seemed fine after.

Posted by: X-ray at April 24, 2018 03:49 AM (Rrifi)

752 Years ago fed my cats what was called Perfectly Fish, they loved it. They would eat it all and leave little white bones in the bottom of the bowl that were 1/4" inch long.

Posted by: Skip at April 24, 2018 03:54 AM (aC6Sd)

753 Chicken bones can splinter and perforate the intestines of your dog. Don't let them do anything more than gnaw while you are holding them.

Better yet, simply scrape the meat off the bones and don't let them get a hold of them at all.

Chocolate will also poison your dog. The stimulants are too much for small dogs and aren't good for larger dogs.

It is like 100% pure cocaine for a thirteen-year-old.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/ycqlhs6l

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 24, 2018 04:04 AM (Ckg4U)

754 My cats ( now just cat) never had a interest in chocolate, I have read cats have no 'sweet tooth'

Posted by: Skip at April 24, 2018 04:08 AM (aC6Sd)

755 *static*

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at April 24, 2018 04:12 AM (Ckg4U)

756 Its 4:30 am, do you know where your kids are?

Posted by: Skip at April 24, 2018 04:20 AM (aC6Sd)

757 720 is funny, we don't have Ardvarks

Posted by: Skip at April 24, 2018 04:28 AM (aC6Sd)

758 Enjoying the last few hours of free HBO (of course, all the good stuff is here, after midnight; all weekend long was nothing but crap). Saw the last 90 minutes of "The Zen Diaries of Garry Shandling", which had its moments of brilliance; then tuned in just in time to watch Daniel Day-Lewis' plea to Madeleine Stowe: "Stay alive!...I *will* find you!!", and hear "The Gael", which is one of the best movie themes (Last of the Mohicans), ever.

Did Slap close the bar already?

Posted by: Shopgirl #MrsJakeJunis at April 24, 2018 04:31 AM (53ahq)

759 West Coast Underassistant Promo Man is another great, but often overlooked Rolling Stones song...

and with that, i'm for bed.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 24, 2018 04:40 AM (n0ufP)

760 Makes me wonder if I had free HBO, year ago someone mentioned it and low and behold I did as well. If I turned on the tv once in a while I might see these things.

Posted by: Skip at April 24, 2018 04:57 AM (aC6Sd)

761 Shopgirl here you go
https://youtu.be/HHskPsdlIQM

Posted by: Skip at April 24, 2018 04:59 AM (aC6Sd)

762 After 8 years of ubama, a near-miss with hellary, and the disgraceful way President Trump has been treated, I suppose America deserves kamola harris.

Posted by: Eromero at April 24, 2018 05:35 AM (zLDYs)

763 Any kind of cooked bones can splinter.

Raw chicken including bones are ok for most dogs unless they sre allergic to chicken,

Dense weight bearing cow bones can break dog teeth.

Posted by: Votermom's phone now on Team Gloom Sub Duty at April 24, 2018 05:42 AM (hMwEB)

764 When I see someone like Mitt, or god help me Fred Thompson, run for President, but not fight for it, I just don't understand. Do they think it's some sort of lifetime achievement award? Do they expect to sit on their ass, be handed the title, and then sit on their ass in the White House some more being worshipped? Or do they plan to dictate their master plan to their loyal followers and let them carry the load? I guess that worked for Obama, so it's not unthinkable.

Posted by: Downcast at April 24, 2018 05:42 AM (v2Njf)

765 G'morning, all.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 24, 2018 05:53 AM (EyPfd)

766 When I see someone like Mitt, or god help me Fred Thompson, run for President, but not fight for it, I just don't understand. Do they think it's some sort of lifetime achievement award? Do they expect to sit on their ass, be handed the title, and then sit on their ass in the White House some more being worshipped?

Posted by: Downcast at April 24, 2018 05:42 AM (v2Njf)

What's your problem, Deplorable?

Posted by: Her Royal Thighness at April 24, 2018 06:05 AM (oD9Tw)

767 Good morning everyone. I would have slept longer but you guys were making too much noise in here. Next time, keep it down, would ya?

Posted by: grammie winger - the snow is melting - at April 24, 2018 06:10 AM (lwiT4)

768 When I see someone like Mitt, or god help me Fred Thompson, run for President, but not fight for it, I just don't understand. Do they think it's some sort of lifetime achievement award? Do they expect to sit on their ass, be handed the title, and then sit on their ass in the White House some more being worshipped?

Posted by: Downcast

Worked for Barky.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 24, 2018 06:11 AM (pQplJ)

769 Where does MisHum get such beautiful pictures?

Posted by: grammie winger - the snow is melting - at April 24, 2018 06:11 AM (lwiT4)

770 Good morning!

Let's smile and be happy and strike fear in the heart of killjoy leftists everywhere.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 24, 2018 06:14 AM (hyuyC)

771 grammie winger - the snow is melting

Good morning to you. Misanthropic Humanitarian has a gift for good posting. He used this picture before.

There are websites out there with outstanding pictures.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 24, 2018 06:17 AM (hyuyC)

772 the snow is melting

The chair is against the wall
John has a long mustache

Posted by: rickb223 at April 24, 2018 06:18 AM (pQplJ)

773 Good morning VIA.

I spent two mornings around home-schooled high schoolers last weekend. The contrast between the usual high school students in public school was striking.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 24, 2018 06:19 AM (hyuyC)

774 "I spent two mornings around home-schooled high schoolers last weekend. The contrast between the usual high school students in public school was striking."

Behavior, maturity or ability to think and interact with others?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 24, 2018 06:20 AM (EyPfd)

775 Thanks guys for reminding me to alter my nic.

Posted by: grammie winger - the snow has melted! - at April 24, 2018 06:22 AM (lwiT4)

776 rickb223

Good morning.

One day, long after I've shuffled off this mortal coil, the truth of how pbho, the most unqualified person to be President ever, was able to get elected by fraud will come out. On how the American people were manipulated to voting for this hoser.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 24, 2018 06:22 AM (hyuyC)

777 Village Idiot's Apprentice

All three were well above what I have come to expect.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 24, 2018 06:24 AM (hyuyC)

778 "All three were well above what I have come to expect."

As Insty often says, sending your child to public school damn near equates to Child Abuse.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 24, 2018 06:28 AM (EyPfd)

779

777
Village Idiot's Apprentice
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777 is way better than 666.

Posted by: grammie winger - the snow has melted! - at April 24, 2018 06:30 AM (lwiT4)

780 VIA,

Urban schools are holding tanks. Hard to believe anything other that indoctrination, social disfunction and babysitting occurs there.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 24, 2018 06:31 AM (hyuyC)

781 grammie winger - the snow has melted!

You're a Boeing jet!

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 24, 2018 06:32 AM (hyuyC)

782 I knew I wasn't suited to homeschooling my children. I didn't know who would run away from home first - me or them. So off to Christian school they went. They got a stellar education in a no-nonsense but caring environment. My daughter is still friends with her HS band teacher, some 20-odd years later.

Posted by: grammie winger - the snow has melted! - at April 24, 2018 06:32 AM (lwiT4)

783 Love to stay and chat, but work prep calls to me.

Have a serene day, everyone.
May every traffic light turn green as you approach.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 24, 2018 06:33 AM (hyuyC)

784 "Urban schools are holding tanks. Hard to believe anything other that indoctrination, social disfunction and babysitting occurs there."

It's as if the enemies of our nation discovered the weakness in our defense against socialism, communism and fascism.

First....you gain access and control of what the nations children are being taught.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 24, 2018 06:34 AM (EyPfd)

785 One day, long after I've shuffled off this mortal coil, the truth of how pbho, the most unqualified person to be President ever, was able to get elected by fraud will come out. On how the American people were manipulated to voting for this hoser.
Posted by: NaCly Dog

Morning Salty.
I'll be right there with you when it happens.

I'm still waiting on a true and accurate accounting of the Kennedy assassination. From three shots from a crap rifle that no trained marksman could duplicate to the 90 degree bullet turn into Gov. Connolly, to the pristine bullet on the stretcher, to a nobody Jack Ruby.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 24, 2018 06:34 AM (pQplJ)

786 Have a great day, NaCly Dog. See you later.

Posted by: grammie winger - the snow has melted! - at April 24, 2018 06:34 AM (lwiT4)

787 not just urban, any school in a blue state for sure. It should be conservatives shame for giving up on this important front. When Franklin said "A Republic if you can keep it" he was talking about this.

Posted by: Quint at April 24, 2018 06:35 AM (n13/j)

788 Drive safe, Salty.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 24, 2018 06:35 AM (EyPfd)

789 grammie winger - the snow has melted!

The second bet place to send kids is Christian schools. In general, they do an excellent job. Look at the National Merit Scholarships recently. Homeschooled and Christian schools are over-represented per capita.

Now I've got to go. BBL.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 24, 2018 06:36 AM (hyuyC)

790 I woke up too early because I thought I heard KTE's alarm clock ring.
She's in college so I knew that was impossible, but it felt so real I went into her room.

Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at April 24, 2018 06:42 AM (hMwEB)

791 >>>>I've been to cafes which didn't accept plastic.
.
.
.We have one of those places in Town, they don't even have an ATM to let you get cash.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 24, 2018 06:43 AM (+Dllb)

792 We have one of those places in Town, they don't even have an ATM to let you get cash.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman

Thankfully, The Breakfast Stop (on the square) does. I usually don't carry that much cash.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 24, 2018 06:47 AM (pQplJ)

793 I looked at Concordia Publishing Houses's Vacation Bible School products that Google Ads pulled. The theme is Whitewater Rafting through Life's Stormy Waters. Pictures of kids in a raft going thru a canyon. What's objectionable about that? They even have helmets on.

Posted by: grammie winger - the snow has melted! - at April 24, 2018 06:47 AM (lwiT4)

794 I looked at Concordia Publishing Houses's Vacation Bible School products that Google Ads pulled. The theme is Whitewater Rafting through Life's Stormy Waters. Pictures of kids in a raft going thru a canyon. What's objectionable about that? They even have helmets on.
Posted by: grammie winger

Christianity.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 24, 2018 06:49 AM (pQplJ)

795 Drudge's headline is ghoulish.

'Bush Holds On To Life'

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 24, 2018 06:51 AM (oVJmc)

796 "Christianity."

* Ding...ding...ding*

We have a winner!

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 24, 2018 06:51 AM (EyPfd)

797 Christianity.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 24, 2018 06:49 AM (pQplJ)
==================

What's weird is that they pulled that particular product/ publishing house. There are dozens and dozens of similar publishing houses. Unless they plan to pull them all.

Concordia says they are supposed to hear further explanations from Google today.

Posted by: grammie winger - the snow has melted! - at April 24, 2018 06:51 AM (lwiT4)

798 >>>>We have one of those places in Town, they don't even have an ATM to let you get cash.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman

Thankfully, The Breakfast Stop (on the square) does. I usually don't carry that much cash.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 24, 2018 06:47 AM
.
.
.The Breakfast Stop takes plastic. went there last Friday on the wife's day off. She likes their breakfast burritos but can only eat half. Brings the other half home for the dogs.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 24, 2018 06:52 AM (+Dllb)

799 "What's weird is that they pulled that particular product/ publishing house. There are dozens and dozens of similar publishing houses. Unless they plan to pull them all."

A journey of a thousand miles begin........

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 24, 2018 06:52 AM (EyPfd)

800 A journey of a thousand miles begin........
===============

Yeah, that's what I'm concerned about.

Posted by: grammie winger - the snow has melted! - at April 24, 2018 06:53 AM (lwiT4)

801 Their are new mansions built in the Virginia countyside that are impressive. Close to the interstates leading into DC. Are they built by very rich senior government people, high government officials or who? If they are, they are making way to much money off us.

Posted by: Colin at April 24, 2018 06:53 AM (7gKLI)

802 So I am more than just a little pissed off that our favorite Monday night date night bar has decided to ban plastic straws.

But was fine with putting Mrs VIA's leftovers in a plastic clamshell box to take home.

I asked them if they wanted to borrow my VirtueSignal-3000 to set up in the parking lot.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 24, 2018 06:54 AM (EyPfd)

803 Conservatives should have taken on Google long ago, but it is too much of a pain I guess. They have been sticking their thumb in our eyes for ages. For a couple decades they got a lot of pleasure ignoring religious or American holidays and purposely promoting leftist or absurdly comical dates with their google home page. The right doesn't even notice it anymore, there are worse things. But the Google agenda is not new.

I dropped the service quite a long time ago. But they have their hooks in a lot of places, it is hard to drop it all. But that doesn't mean don't do it, it means make sure you get it done.

Posted by: Quint at April 24, 2018 06:55 AM (n13/j)

804 Christianity.

And they weren't wearing condoms.

Posted by: JT at April 24, 2018 06:56 AM (kkPe3)

805 793 I'm gonna put Concordia Publishing on my list of banned books which will now have to be banned books authors and publishers

Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at April 24, 2018 07:00 AM (hMwEB)

806 801 Their are new mansions built in the Virginia
countyside that are impressive. Close to the interstates leading into
DC. Are they built by very rich senior government people, high
government officials or who? If they are, they are making way to much
money off us.

Posted by: Colin at April 24, 2018 06:53 AM (7gKLI)

I know of what you speak, it is good I guess most don't. Former horse country now looks like the Queen of England's properties mated like rabbits. Trump would be wise on many fronts if he spread some of the fed government around the nation. He could be tactical about it too. I thought at first he should send a few agencies to red states, but now I am thinking blue states would be best.

Posted by: Quint at April 24, 2018 07:01 AM (n13/j)

807 btw my blog runs on blogger which is a "free" Google product
*sigh*

Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at April 24, 2018 07:01 AM (hMwEB)

808 So, I made the ONT for a change!

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at April 24, 2018 07:02 AM (n9EOP)

809 votermom - keep your eye on California Assembly Bill 2943 which seeks to ban any book teaching against homosexuality or gender/identity nonsense. It's being fast-tracked. Theoretically, it could ban the Bible.

Posted by: grammie winger - the snow has melted! - at April 24, 2018 07:04 AM (lwiT4)

810 I see the liberals are now saying the Trump is going to be impeached because he "lied" about spending a night in Russia in 2013 during a beauty pageant.

Looks very very bad for Trump is what I am reading on most lefty sites.

Kind of reminds me of all of the "gonna be an early night for Trump" jokes floating around right after the election.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 24, 2018 07:05 AM (+Dllb)

811 grammie, yes thanks

Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at April 24, 2018 07:05 AM (hMwEB)

812 I see the liberals are now saying the Trump is going to be impeached
because he "lied" about spending a night in Russia in 2013 during a
beauty pageant.

I hope those straws they're grasping at aren't plastic ones.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 24, 2018 07:06 AM (oVJmc)

813
Is it Buddhists who believe in reincarnation? I can honestly say I would not want to come back to this planet in the future. The trend line is pointing in only one direction. Trump is the staying action, the pause.

Even with him in office the walls are closing in.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at April 24, 2018 07:06 AM (LOgQ4)

814 Posted by: Colin at April 24, 2018 06:53 AM (7gKLI)

IIRC, Loudoun Country is chock full of well to do landed gentry with high paying federal government or lobbyist jobs. I think it is the richest county per capita in the US.

Funny how they've zoned the county so that the peasants live in the eastern half of Loudoun, but the estates are in the western half and never have to interact with the unwashed masses.

BUT, don't vote out those representatives, we need experience in the halls of government.

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at April 24, 2018 07:08 AM (n9EOP)

815 the lobbyists, the lawyers, other hangers on. Send a few federal agencies far and wide. I don't see why not. Sure a Hawaiian judge will stop it, but why not try?

Posted by: Quint at April 24, 2018 07:10 AM (n13/j)

816 Theoretically, it could ban the Bible.

Posted by: grammie winger - the snow has melted! - at April 24, 2018 07:04 AM (lwiT4)

I'm waiting for when they ban hard copy books to totally purge BadThink. Just think, the Bible won't have to be banned because Bezos staffers can edit it selectively online until it is socially acceptable!

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at April 24, 2018 07:11 AM (n9EOP)

817 I'm waiting for when they ban hard copy books to
totally purge BadThink. Just think, the Bible won't have to be banned
because Bezos staffers can edit it selectively online until it is
socially acceptable!

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at April 24, 2018 07:11 AM (n9EOP)

You make a good and scary point. But will they even have to ban paper books? Are we not doing that ourselves?

Posted by: Quint at April 24, 2018 07:14 AM (n13/j)

818 >>>>>Theoretically, it could ban the Bible.

Posted by: grammie winger - the snow has melted! - at April 24, 2018 07:04 AM (lwiT4)

I'm waiting for when they ban hard copy books to totally purge
BadThink. Just think, the Bible won't have to be banned because Bezos
staffers can edit it selectively online until it is socially acceptable!

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at April 24, 2018 07:11 AM
.
.
.They already have a template to follow.....Fahrenheit 451.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 24, 2018 07:15 AM (+Dllb)

819 Their are new mansions built in the Virginia countyside that are impressive. Close to the interstates leading into DC. Are they built by very rich senior government people, high government officials or who? If they are, they are making way to much money off us.
Posted by: Colin

Contractor company executive s, they are the ones actually doing the work.

Posted by: Jean at April 24, 2018 07:19 AM (MS0+a)

820
.They already have a template to follow.....Fahrenheit 451.

And Orwell.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 24, 2018 07:19 AM (oVJmc)

821 I guess we will have Adam and Steve eventually.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 24, 2018 07:20 AM (oVJmc)

822 I remember several years ago when the government said that we needed to get rid of old children's books because the ink contained lead or some such hogwash. It was obvious to me that they really wanted to get rid of traditional stories so they could be replaced with modern politically acceptable ones.

Posted by: rickl at April 24, 2018 07:20 AM (sdi6R)

823 Weird, that was exactly what I thought.

G'mornin' Horde !

30 degrees; snow has melted !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at April 24, 2018 07:22 AM (Mbmmf)

824 I'm waiting for when they ban hard copy books to totally purge BadThink. Just think, the Bible won't have to be banned because Bezos staffers can edit it selectively online until it is socially acceptable!

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at April 24, 2018 07:11 AM
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.They already have a template to follow.....Fahrenheit 451.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman

Not my blog. Can't say what I want.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 24, 2018 07:22 AM (pQplJ)

825 We can't sit on these bon mots and pearls of wisdom forever, JJ.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 24, 2018 07:29 AM (oVJmc)

826 We can't sit on these bon mots and pearls of wisdom forever, JJ.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles

A bon mot a day keeps the punster away.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 24, 2018 07:30 AM (pQplJ)

827 Mornin' Horde. JJ MIA?

Posted by: Brother Cavil at April 24, 2018 07:34 AM (lLeln)

828 Hey! fuk you Penn State kids that still suckle from your mothers teat. You say you are adults but want to be on your parents insurance until you are 47 and want all kind of weird rules that basically make sure that any sex can be claimed as rape ex post facto.

Posted by: rhennigantx at April 24, 2018 07:34 AM (JFO2v)

829 oh yeah good mornin

Posted by: rhennigantx at April 24, 2018 07:34 AM (JFO2v)

830 Well this is odd.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 24, 2018 07:35 AM (yQpMk)

831 Mornin' Horde. JJ MIA?
Posted by: Brother Cavil

JJ is MIA ATM. Hopefully he is found PDQ.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 24, 2018 07:36 AM (pQplJ)

832 825 We can't sit on these bon mots and pearls of wisdom forever, JJ.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 24, 2018 07:29 AM (oVJmc)

bon mots are better than tonton macaute

Posted by: rhennigantx at April 24, 2018 07:36 AM (JFO2v)

833 Well this is odd.
Posted by: Grump928(C)

Yes. Leaving us unsupervised is bad juju.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 24, 2018 07:37 AM (pQplJ)

834 I see this day is starting out with a bang. JJ is MIA and it is STILL raining outside so I can't charge my battery yet. It has rained all day yesterday and all night.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 24, 2018 07:38 AM (mpXpK)

835 nnod

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 24, 2018 07:38 AM (oVJmc)

836 I saw Bon Mot open for Muldoon here last week...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at April 24, 2018 07:39 AM (lLeln)

837 JJ up

Posted by: rickb223 at April 24, 2018 07:39 AM (pQplJ)

838 Fiannnly JJ is here

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 24, 2018 07:39 AM (mpXpK)

839 824 I'm waiting for when they ban hard copy books to totally purge BadThink. Just think, the Bible won't have to be banned because Bezos staffers can edit it selectively online until it is socially acceptable!

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at April 24, 2018 07:11 AM

Let he that is without guilt throw the 8" flexible dildo available to prime members with 1 day shipping for 29.45.

Posted by: rhennigantx at April 24, 2018 07:39 AM (JFO2v)

840 I have older copies of a series of children's US history books. I saw a modern version, of the same material - from the same publisher - the rot was obvious. Both, in the selection of events and people, to the actual recasting of facts.

Posted by: Jean at April 24, 2018 07:41 AM (MS0+a)

841 It's as if the enemies of our nation discovered the weakness in our defense against socialism, communism and fascism.

First....you gain access and control of what the nations children are being taught.

James Clavell's The Children's Story

Sorry it's in PDF

http://arvindguptatoys.com/arvindgupta/tcs.pdf

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 24, 2018 07:47 AM (yQpMk)

842 I looked at all those "award-winning" photos and I'm pretty sure one of them is a painting. Was that a joke?

Posted by: Gem at April 24, 2018 07:56 AM (XoAz8)

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