Gorsuch Votes With Liberals on Deportation Case

The law says you can be deported for any "aggravated felony." One category of "aggravated felony" is "a crime of violence."

The man the government sought to deport was convicted for burglary, twice.

Is burglary a "crime of violence"?

There is some argument one could make, if one wanted, that burglary is a "crime of violence." Historically, it was defined as breaking into a home at night, and treated more severely than other breaking and entry crimes, such as robbing a business or warehouse. That's because when you're breaking into a home at night, the odds that there will be law-abiding people present is high, and therefore the chance of violent conflict similarly high.

But I don't think most burglary statutes now require the dwelling in question to be a "home," and I don't think the "night" part is required often, either.

Either way, while someone could make this argument, is this a case where the law, on its face, apprises the reasonably-informed citizen of what the law is and what the punishments for breaking them shall be, as is generally required of laws?

(Or, at least: Which, in an earlier, better day, is what the law was supposed to do, before laws became so numerous and so vague that most citizens simply assume that if they're not doing something the state specifically demands, they're probably breaking some law or some claimed interpretation of some law?)

Gorsuch voted in favor of the notion that the law should be reasonably clear and specific enough to alert the reasonably-intelligent average citizen what the law is and what the consequences of breaking it are. The average citizen would probably not calculate that "burglary," especially as currently defined, could be claimed by an imaginative prosecutor to arguably be a "crime of violence," or, more accurately, "a crime of an elevated risk of a possibility of violence."

Though that applies to citizens, generally such principles apply to non-citizens too.

AllahPundit points out that the decision relies heavily on a previous ruling striking down a similarly-vague criminal statute (this one, regarding deportation, is civil in nature), a decision written by Antonin Scalia.

I guess people can argue about this either way, but I don't think anyone should take this as a sign that Gorsuch is secretly one of them. Antonin Scalia would often write surprisingly (surprisingly, for the unschooled) decisions favoring criminals, because he was a stickler about laws saying what they mean and meaning what they say, without lots of room for imagineering by ambitious prosecutors. (He was also pretty adamant on the Constitution similarly meaning what it said, you may have heard.)

In a famous ruling, he declared that the system of having alleged child sex abuse victims testify outside the courtroom with the testimony conveyed into the courtroom by closed circuit tv -- this done to spare the victim of having to confront his violator in open court -- to be unconstitutional, because the Constitution does explicitly guarantee the accused to have the right to "confront his accusers."

I'm sure Scalia wasn't happy that likely/alleged underage sex victims had to bear the angry stare of their rapists, and probably had sympathy for efforts to insulate them from that, but he couldn't just hand-wave away the Constitution's explicit guarantee here.

(Scalia tossed out all this strict interpretation of the Constitution, even when it favored criminals, when it came to drugs and drug searches, however.)

At any rate, if Congress wants to make burglary and other dangerous-yet-not-violent-per-se crimes deportable, it has the power to do so; but I can't say that Gorsuch cast an "unconservative" vote by, essentially, demanding that the State be specific about what the law is and not rely upon prosecutors' whims to decide what the law will be as regards this or that defendant.

Meanwhile, old effeminate manbabies who like to pretend to be sober, responsible analysts when they're not pretending to be giggling 12 year olds on Twitter gonna do what they do:

But Gorsuch!

heheheheheh
— John Podhoretz (@jpodhoretz) April 17, 2018

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 02:27 PM

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1 I guess people can argue about this either way, but I don't think anyone should take this as a sign that Gorsuch is secretly one of them.

And yet some will.

Really, is it so much to ask that laws be written clearly, instead of, you know, by Hallmark cards.

Posted by: pep at April 17, 2018 02:29 PM (wW03z)

2 Interesting

Posted by: Diogenes at April 17, 2018 02:29 PM (0tfLf)

3

EM GOOEY DUCK FOADDY-FI!!!

Posted by: Maxine Waters' Hair at April 17, 2018 02:29 PM (pYqXv)

4 ADA, I'm looking at you.

Posted by: pep at April 17, 2018 02:29 PM (wW03z)

5 What violent crime was Ellion Gonzalez guilty of?

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at April 17, 2018 02:29 PM (mk7Bj)

6 Could you get deported for violently eating a ham sandwich? I know the sandwich could get indicted, at least.

Posted by: Roy at April 17, 2018 02:30 PM (7n4KQ)

7 I don't mind this judgement.

I can see it going either way. For once, I'm glad to get someone else's opinion on something like this.

THIS is what the Supreme Court should be doing: offering a final judgement on a dicey issue.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 17, 2018 02:30 PM (xJa6I)

8 Round 2.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 17, 2018 02:30 PM (/tuJf)

9 I'd like to hurt John's pod.

Posted by: josephistan at April 17, 2018 02:31 PM (7HtZB)

10 It's ok. The appointment of Gorsuch was unconstitutional and will be reversed.

Posted by: Judge Kamehameha at April 17, 2018 02:31 PM (9xjVk)

11 So we argue this some more/

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 17, 2018 02:31 PM (mpXpK)

12 Thanks for taking that scrunt off the top of the page Ace!!!

It was starting to hurt.....

Gonna go read the content now....

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at April 17, 2018 02:31 PM (jjaLl)

13 From Gorsuch to Souter in less than a year.

Posted by: #neverskankles at April 17, 2018 02:31 PM (RGq6k)

14 6 Could you get deported for violently eating a ham sandwich? I know the sandwich could get indicted, at least.
Posted by: Roy at April 17, 2018 02:30 PM (7n4KQ)

What's the statute of limitation on murder?

Posted by: Zombie Mama Cass at April 17, 2018 02:31 PM (7HtZB)

15 So who the hell writes the laws? I mean in real life. Of course they are lawyers, but who gives them the power to write them?

Posted by: HH at April 17, 2018 02:32 PM (mIJBI)

16 Some how, some way, the media will make this into a bruising loss for Trump.

Posted by: Roy at April 17, 2018 02:32 PM (7n4KQ)

17 Words have meaning. Who'da thus it?

Posted by: Adriane the Legal Theory Critic ... at April 17, 2018 02:32 PM (AoK0a)

18 I think his reasoning is sound. That said, I'd like to see the law changed to read "Any crime punishable by more than one year of confinement." If an immigrant can't pass a NICS check, fuck 'em. Toss them so hard they bounce.

Posted by: DanInMN at April 17, 2018 02:33 PM (h5ffp)

19 And, of course, I know who the other votes against deportation were without even looking.

Posted by: pep at April 17, 2018 02:33 PM (S2p0Q)

20
Oh, good. By all means, let's keep the name calling that has infested the last one or two threads in its own corral.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 17, 2018 02:33 PM (pNxlR)

21 I agree with Thomas in the dissent:

18US code 6

The term crime of violence means-
(a)
an
offense that has as an element the use, attempted use, or threatened use
of physical force against the person or property of another, or

(b)
any
other offense that is a felony and that, by its nature, involves a
substantial risk that physical force against the person or property of
another may be used in the course of committing the offense.

-------------------------

The ruling came under part b which said 'aggravated felony' is by its nature a violent crime. He was convicted of a second felony burglary in CA which IS an aggravated felony.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 17, 2018 02:33 PM (mpXpK)

22 I think Podhurtz dick hurts.

Posted by: dananjcon at April 17, 2018 02:33 PM (xqfqx)

23 If you have an ambiguous law, change it.

Gorsuch, during his hearings, struck me as someone who could easily justify a ruling like this.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 17, 2018 02:33 PM (so+oy)

24 Liberal judges will straight up say 2+2=5. Yet our supposed conservative judges pull this shit. And we wonder why libs always win the long game.

Posted by: #neverskankles at April 17, 2018 02:33 PM (RGq6k)

25 'round here, a "home invasion" charge is added when an occupied domicile is the building or structure "burgled".

Posted by: Burger Chef at April 17, 2018 02:34 PM (RuIsu)

26 Some how, some way, the media will make this into a bruising loss for Trump.

Posted by: Roy at April 17, 2018 02:32 PM (7n4KQ)

That asshole Drudge has already done it!!!!

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at April 17, 2018 02:34 PM (jjaLl)

27 I think what bothers people the most on our side is that the lib activist judges can always be counted on when it matters. Very frustrating to watch because they are fecal material rubber stamps in robes.

OTOH We tend to have actual thinkers on our side who care about stupid ancient stuff like "interpreting the law".

Posted by: Mega at April 17, 2018 02:34 PM (9xjVk)

28 What a giant dick JPud is.

Posted by: steevy at April 17, 2018 02:34 PM (LiyEm)

29
If you have ever been burgled it sure feels pretty violent.

But feels isn't the law.

I have been reading today various conflicting information on whether or not a felony crime is deportable. I would like to know that answer.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 17, 2018 02:34 PM (r+sAi)

30 As predicted.

Posted by: pep at April 17, 2018 02:34 PM (S2p0Q)

31 What's Podhoretz actually getting at with that jab?

If this is evidence that Gorsuch sucks, that means he agrees with the President that the ruling is wrong.

And if he thinks Gorsuch was right, well then Trump nominated him, so he did the right thing with his nomination.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at April 17, 2018 02:34 PM (mk7Bj)

32
Could you get deported for violently eating a ham sandwich? I know the sandwich could get indicted, at least.

Johnny Coldcuts had better watch out.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at April 17, 2018 02:35 PM (GdWl+)

33 ACE
have you read Schweitzer's Secret Empires?

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at April 17, 2018 02:35 PM (hMwEB)

34 >I think Podhurtz dick hurts.
Posted by: dananjcon at April 17, 2018 02:33 PM (xqfqx)

Assumes facts not in evidence. I will agree that he has a hurt somewhere in the general vicinity of his crotch.

Posted by: G. Gnome, BAHT at April 17, 2018 02:35 PM (al6UK)

35 This case make me uncomfortable

Posted by: Jennifer Rubin ~~Tony Shalhoub~~ at April 17, 2018 02:35 PM (yOkUY)

36 Podhoretz didn't get the shit kicked out of him near enough as a kid. And, actually, Scalia didn't do that re searches. The Constitution does not read that no searches are allowed except with warrants.

Posted by: ejochs at April 17, 2018 02:35 PM (rqsmu)

37 Corgis called

Posted by: rickb223 at April 17, 2018 02:35 PM (tu/2g)

38 Can't help wonder what Ms. Rubin thinks about this.

Posted by: dananjcon at April 17, 2018 02:35 PM (xqfqx)

39 >>I guess people can argue about this either way, but I don't think anyone should take this as a sign that Gorsuch is secretly one of them.

You might be surprised.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 17, 2018 02:35 PM (/tuJf)

40 Because it would have been so much better to have an SC justice that unquestionably obeyed his master , the Russian puppet-President?

Is that it , Pod-whore?

Sheesh. Nevertrumpers and Eeyores.

Posted by: Tanner Boyle at April 17, 2018 02:35 PM (2wOtx)

41 What in the hell do ya think ya r doing ??

Posted by: Tony The schwing Kennedy at April 17, 2018 02:36 PM (Ymy4N)

42 Podhurtz sounds like a naughty word for penis.

Posted by: fly gal at April 17, 2018 02:36 PM (8TdcF)

43 27 I think what bothers people the most on our side is that the lib activist judges can always be counted on when it matters. Very frustrating to watch because they are fecal material rubber stamps in robes.

____

Exactly. You will never see Kagan do this type of thing and side with us. NEVER.

Posted by: #neverskankles at April 17, 2018 02:36 PM (RGq6k)

44 Speaking of courts etc, is it really legal for the feds to serve a warrant with the crime redacted?

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at April 17, 2018 02:36 PM (hMwEB)

45 Coming next, Gorsuch is really a pain person. Or is that person of podness?

Posted by: pep at April 17, 2018 02:37 PM (S2p0Q)

46 Historically, it was defined as breaking into a home at night, and treated more severely than other breaking and entry crimes, such as robbing a business or warehouse. That's because when you're breaking into a home at night, the odds that there will be law-abiding people present is high, and therefore the chance of violent conflict similarly high.

Breaking into a house at night is worse because the people there are more likely to be asleep and totally vulnerable.

Breaking into a non-vacant house at any time carries a high risk of physical confrontation and that is more than enough to make it a crime of violence. And for a NON-CITIZEN, there is not even any need to be so particular about the law's interpretation. Non-citizens have no right to be here. They are here provisionally, at best, and can be forced to leave any time we change our minds.

For the courts not to recognize this simple fact - that the US is created for and serves only US citizens - is beyond infuriating.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 17, 2018 02:37 PM (8gDQu)

47 I could really go either way on this case, but I do think he made the right call overall.

And the nevertrumpers are all saying "But Gorsuch!" about this without thinking or analyzing it. And why are they diong it?

Because the selection of Gorsuch (along with other Trump maneuvers, like shrinking federal offices) they have no response to and should like, but cannot admit to. So they are angry and bitter about it, and lashing out.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 17, 2018 02:37 PM (39g3+)

48 It's nice to be the law and order constitution type, but one can't help but notice that we're the only ones playing by those rules. And I'm sure it will be held against us and used as strategy at every available opportunity.

Heck, the justice who had presided over a gay marriage in SCOTUS chambers had no problem ruling on gay marriage. Was expected to. Because that's how they work.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - SJWs Destroyed My Garden Because I Grew Heritage Tomatoes at April 17, 2018 02:37 PM (ks6bw)

49 Just to repeat Who Sided with Who in the past (and which to me means absolutely nothing, but it appears to mean a lot to some)

In the 2015 decision cited as precedent for this ruling, written by Scalia, Justices Thomas, Kennedy, and Alito all OPPOSED Scalia's reasoning insofar as it concerned vagueness of a statute. Only Robertson supported Scalia then and opposed the decision today. (and he's the one who's supposed to be so political!)

Thomas went so far as to call Scalia's previous majority opinion in Johnson "wrongly decided."

Now this is not to say Thomas is wrong, he may be correct. It just means that "being conservative" does not mean the same thing as "always siding with Thomas and Alito". Scalia didn't.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 17, 2018 02:37 PM (k1TUh)

50 oh gotta go
bbl

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at April 17, 2018 02:37 PM (hMwEB)

51 Creating more loopholes for illegal alien serial criminals. I don't see the win here.

Posted by: regular joe at April 17, 2018 02:37 PM (kb0cx)

52 Since this law predates the abortion case, open season on settled law, no ??

Posted by: REDACTED at April 17, 2018 02:37 PM (Ymy4N)

53 Should have read pod person.

Posted by: pep at April 17, 2018 02:37 PM (S2p0Q)

54 Is srong arming a helpless damsel reporter considered a crime of violence?

Posted by: The Ghost of Christmas Past and Michelle Field's Arm at April 17, 2018 02:37 PM (yOkUY)

55 Saw some of G's confirmation hearings. He spoke at length about administrative law. Said that the axiom that ignorance of the law is no excuse may well be outdated given the blindingly high number of laws, many agency ukases nobody ever heard of nor expects to be the law of the land (waters of the united states sort of thing) and technicalities of moving your own money that could give a prosecutor something to do if your kid got the lead in the school play and his didn't. He said, in effect, he wasn't going to insist on strict enforcement of any law that wasn't clear or was deficient on what he referred to as "public notice".

Posted by: Richard Aubrey at April 17, 2018 02:38 PM (bcw4+)

56 Gorsuch voted in favor of the notion that the law should be reasonably clear and specific enough to alert the reasonably-intelligent average citizen what the law is and what the consequences of breaking it are. The average citizen would probably not calculate that "burglary," especially as currently defined, could be claimed by an imaginative prosecutor to arguably be a "crime of violence," or, more accurately, "a crime of an elevated risk of a possibility of violence."

Lost me here... ignorance of the Law is no defense.... or is it now a defense that you didn't MEAN to break the law... and didn't know the consequences???

Oh... wait... Hillary.... Comey...

I'll go sit in my corner and shut up now...

Posted by: Don Q. at April 17, 2018 02:38 PM (NgKpN)

57 This is not the new thread I was hoping for.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 17, 2018 02:38 PM (oVJmc)

58 I think what bothers people the most on our side is that the lib activist judges can always be counted on when it matters. Very frustrating to watch because they are fecal material rubber stamps in robes.

I agree, its frustrating but that's the price of having people who rule based on law and discernment rather than whose political cause they hurt or help.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 17, 2018 02:38 PM (39g3+)

59 Goody!!! another thread Bitching about Gorsuch

Posted by: DeploraBOT at April 17, 2018 02:38 PM (y3aQB)

60 This is not the new thread I was hoping for.

nor I, and its just as well, I have a lot of stuff to do today. Have fun yelling at each other about a court decision wholly outside your power to influence.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 17, 2018 02:38 PM (39g3+)

61 AllahPundit points out that the decision relies heavily on a previous ruling striking down a similarly-vague criminal statute (this one, regarding deportation, is civil in nature), a decision written by Antonin Scalia.

Wait. I thought you guys didn't like AllahPundit.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 17, 2018 02:39 PM (XVgpK)

62 Let's give the guy a chance. My goodness, it is ONE ruling.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at April 17, 2018 02:39 PM (wGbBR)

63 Creating more loopholes for illegal alien serial criminals.
...

Lawful Permanent Resident = legal alien criminal

Posted by: Tanner Boyle at April 17, 2018 02:39 PM (2wOtx)

64 Burglary is primarily a property crime. I'll go with that.

The drug law that really torques my pique is the use of drug dogs for auto searches. The SC has ruled that they are a perfectly valid tool, without any training or accuracy requirements.

The dog can alert 100 times in a row, and be wrong 99 of those times, and it's all copacetic per the SC. They're not even required to keep records of how often the dog false alerts.

Now, to my lame understanding of the 4th, that sounds 'unreasonable' to me. And so it goes.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 17, 2018 02:39 PM (0ogQG)

65 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 17, 2018 02:38 PM (39g3+)
++++
3.2.1. Till Under Fire & friends come to blame SessionZZZZ

Posted by: DeploraBOT at April 17, 2018 02:40 PM (y3aQB)

66 Hot Air is now counting the articles you read

AS FUCKING IF

Posted by: REDACTED at April 17, 2018 02:40 PM (Ymy4N)

67 This is not the ruling you are looking for...

Posted by: Obi Wan Kenobi at April 17, 2018 02:40 PM (RHEDC)

68 My understanding was always that if the place is unoccupied, it's burglary; if it's occupied, it's robbery.

Throw the illegal immigrant out anyway, he has no right to be here.

Posted by: pookysgirl at April 17, 2018 02:40 PM (XKZwp)

69 27 I think what bothers people the most on our side
is that the lib activist judges can always be counted on when it
matters. Very frustrating to watch because they are fecal material
rubber stamps in robes.

____

Exactly. You will never see Kagan do this type of thing and side with us. NEVER.

Posted by: #neverskankles at April 17, 2018 02:36 PM (RGq6k)
**This. ^^^

Why do we have to be such boy scouts?

Posted by: dananjcon at April 17, 2018 02:40 PM (xqfqx)

70 it's probably advantages to the system to not have a law clearly defined.
so one can go to prison but another can be freed.

why else would we need attys (if guilty) to define our potential unguiltiness?

Posted by: willow at April 17, 2018 02:40 PM (eaoOY)

71
The good thing we can all agree on is that she who can not be named probably would have had Kimba Wood making the same decision.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 17, 2018 02:40 PM (r+sAi)

72 The left somehow gets pure idealogues who vote the left wing line evey time.

Posted by: steevy at April 17, 2018 02:40 PM (LiyEm)

73 >>Let's give the guy a chance. My goodness, it is ONE ruling.

Wait for Janus v AFSCME. Gorsuch will either be the hero for all time or the most evil scum ever to walk the face of the earth.

And by all time I mean until the next vote.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 17, 2018 02:41 PM (/tuJf)

74 Hey! If employees in the DOJ/FBI that commit treason skate, why shouldn't some resident two time felon skate?

Posted by: Under Fire at April 17, 2018 02:41 PM (r9UYA)

75 One other thing: this is not some huge legal precedent that is going to change the way that law is applied from now on. (like Roe v. Wade, etc) To fix this, all Congress has to do is change about 10 words in an existing statute. Personally, I would make deportation mandatory upon conviction of any felony, and drop the language about "violence" completely.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 17, 2018 02:41 PM (k1TUh)

76 44 Speaking of courts etc, is it really legal for the feds to serve a warrant with the crime redacted?
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at April 17, 2018 02:36 PM (hMwEB)

Don't know, but it seems there would be potential fourth and sixth amendment issues at least.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 17, 2018 02:41 PM (NWiLs)

77 hey remember better than one guilty man go free other Trumps atty and anyone he might have consulted with.

Posted by: willow at April 17, 2018 02:41 PM (eaoOY)

78 15 So who the hell writes the laws? I mean in real life. Of course they are lawyers, but who gives them the power to write them?

Posted by: HH at April 17, 2018 02:32 PM (mIJBI)

++++

It's a cooperative effort, with the lobbyists and congressional staffers equally participating.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 17, 2018 02:41 PM (pvjTE)

79 At least it's a Scalia-est direction of skepticism towards vagueness and keeping Gubmint in check for issues of due process and whatnot and not a gubmint sticking an unconstitutional mandatory purchase penalty on the people direction ala Roberts.

Adding obligatory Dirty Harry quote: "What about that little girl's due process??!!"

Posted by: theATL at April 17, 2018 02:42 PM (yFgwo)

80
Gorsuch is going to be around for another 20 years so I'm not going to start bitching about him yet

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at April 17, 2018 02:42 PM (lKyWE)

81 Honest to god question here: can someone explain to me why, in the current political climate, why having activist judges on our side wouldn't be a good thing?

I agree that we would be better off if no judges were activist, but the left won't play by that rule, so "no activist judges" is not a realistic expectation.

I'm tired of getting these technical "victories" where a law is ruled narrowly when the practical result does not help our side. Alinsky tactics, make them play by their rules. Marquee of Queensbury rules hasn't worked for Congress, why do we expect it would work for the Judiciary?

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at April 17, 2018 02:42 PM (mk7Bj)

82 29 I have been reading today various conflicting
information on whether or not a felony crime is deportable. I would like
to know that answer.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 17, 2018 02:34 PM (r+sAi)

See #21

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 17, 2018 02:42 PM (mpXpK)

83 Who would screw everyone she meets??

Posted by: KIMBA WOULD at April 17, 2018 02:42 PM (Ymy4N)

84 The law shouldn't be decided by which side of the bed that a judge woke up on, which seems to be the case far too often. The law must be written clearly.

Congress seems to delight in writing laws that need to be 'interpreted' by the Judicial Branch in the aforementioned circumstance. That needs to change.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at April 17, 2018 02:42 PM (O9qtX)

85 66 Hot Air is now counting the articles you read

AS FUCKING IF
Posted by: REDACTED at April 17, 2018 02:40 PM (Ymy4N)

I will try to simplify their task.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at April 17, 2018 02:42 PM (CPk08)

86 Wait for Janus v AFSCME

Oh yeah I'm looking forward to that one! I suppose my biggest worry is that Roberts will pull another Obamacare switch at the last minute.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 17, 2018 02:42 PM (k1TUh)

87 Rodenpenis asks Congress for an extension to produce the Comey memos.

Posted by: Under Fire at April 17, 2018 02:43 PM (r9UYA)

88 66 Hot Air is now counting the articles you read
AS FUCKING IF
Posted by: REDACTED at April 17, 2018 02:40 PM (Ymy4N

Just went there for the first time in a couple o' months. Too bad. Used to be a go-to place for me.

Posted by: Caliban at April 17, 2018 02:43 PM (QE8X6)

89 This may illustrate a larger problem. The law has increasingly become a lowest common denominator profession. Lying to the court by attorneys is common. Sociopath Nancy Grace is rewarded with her own show, fame, and fortune. It's a sucker who plays it straight. Conservatives generally consider themselves bound by the law. Progressives do not. Thus we have the Darth Vader Ginsbergs and Hawaiian judges. "Justice" has become a blood sport and this perfectly defensible decision of Gorsuch is seen as a betrayal precisely because Ginsberg et al. would never allow themselves to be confined by truth, justice, and the American way. We're in a know win situation, or, more accurately, a lose or cheat situation.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 17, 2018 02:43 PM (+y/Ru)

90

So who the hell writes the laws? I mean in real life. Of course they are lawyers, but who gives them the power to write them?

Here's another question: how are we supposed to abide by laws that weren't written exclusively by the people we elected? Many of the bills that become law were written by lobbyists and others. That's not what I thought I was voting for.

If my congresscretin doesn't have the legal knowledge to write law, then good. Don't write law.

We'll be more free that way. Each new law takes away our freedom. Instead of grandstanding and wanting to be seen as "doing something," how about applying existing law instead?

I mean, I know why: because Billable Hours, baby. But that leaves the average American not knowing what the law is nor how it should be applied. After a few decades of poorly written law, most adults just throw up their hands and hope they never find themselves in the crosshairs of some asshole prosecutor with a chip on his shoulder who wants to make his cred from your ass.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at April 17, 2018 02:43 PM (GdWl+)

91 Poederhetz is a putz.

Just as childish as your typical leftist.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at April 17, 2018 02:43 PM (pw+jk)

92
Hot Air is now counting the articles you read

To what end?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 17, 2018 02:44 PM (pNxlR)

93 Why do we have to be such boy scouts?

Posted by: dananjcon at April 17, 2018 02:40 PM (xqfqx)

What on Earth might you be referring to, old chap?

Posted by: J. Harvey MilqueToast Romney III at April 17, 2018 02:44 PM (Bqoi/)

94 At any rate, if Congress wants to make burglary and other dangerous-yet-not-violent-per-se crimes deportable, it has the power to do so; but I can't say that Gorsuch cast an "unconservative" vote by, essentially, demanding that the State be specific about what the law is and not rely upon prosecutors' whims to decide what the law will be as regards this or that defendant.

Congress has to deal with STATE laws, which are different in every state. There has to be, obviously, a good deal of leeway to be able to include all the states' different crimes and definitions to be considered. ANy problems with the various interpretations of different states and their various crimes is handled by the federal courts. That's, after all, their friggin job.

There was nothing overly vague about this law, especially considering that it was a law for deportation of NON-CITIZENS, who have no natural right to be here, anyway.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 17, 2018 02:44 PM (8gDQu)

95 >>Oh yeah I'm looking forward to that one! I suppose my biggest worry is that Roberts will pull another Obamacare switch at the last minute.

That would be inconceivable, like a land war in a Asia.

Seriously, he's already ruled on it once and he facts haven't changed so it really would be incredible if he flipped on this one.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 17, 2018 02:44 PM (/tuJf)

96 JPod should stick to reviewing movies because he sucks maximum cock at everything else. Kind of like how jaw droppingly ignorant Fat Egbert was at everything.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 17, 2018 02:44 PM (y7DUB)

97 "Congress seems to delight in writing laws that need to be 'interpreted' by the Judicial Branch in the aforementioned circumstance. That needs to change.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at April 17, 2018 02:42 PM (O9qtX)"

Yeah, funny how that works, innit ?
Almost as if ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at April 17, 2018 02:45 PM (Mbmmf)

98 88 66 Hot Air is now counting the articles you read
AS FUCKING IF
Posted by: REDACTED at April 17, 2018 02:40 PM (Ymy4N

Just went there for the first time in a couple o' months. Too bad. Used to be a go-to place for me.
Posted by: Caliban at April 17, 2018 02:43 PM (QE8X6)

Same here.

Posted by: Surfperch at April 17, 2018 02:45 PM (F65bY)

99 Some how, some way, the media will make this into a bruising loss for Trump.
======

I think they already are.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 17, 2018 02:45 PM (vg8iE)

100 Lawful Permanent Resident = legal alien criminal

Tsarneav crime family is made up of Lawful Permanent Residents too. What's your point?

Posted by: regular joe at April 17, 2018 02:45 PM (O50yS)

101 I guess people can argue about this either way, but I don't think anyone should take this as a sign that Gorsuch is secretly one of them. Antonin Scalia would often write surprisingly (surprisingly, for the unschooled) decisions favoring criminals, because he was a stickler about laws saying what they mean and meaning what they say, without lots of room for imagineering by ambitious prosecutors. (He was also pretty adamant on the Constitution similarly meaning what it said, you may have heard.)

THIS. Rewrite the law a bit, and I bet it passes Gorsuch's muster.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 17, 2018 02:45 PM (ujg0T)

102 Adding obligatory Dirty Harry quote: "What about that little girl's due process??!!"
Posted by: theATL at April 17, 2018 02:42 PM (yFgwo)

Word.

Posted by: Zombie Kate Steinle at April 17, 2018 02:45 PM (Bqoi/)

103 I drank to much and tried to fap. Now my Pudhurtz.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at April 17, 2018 02:45 PM (pw+jk)

104 The important thing is that Trump supporters be humiliated, not that good lawmaking be encouraged.

Been reading this twitter fisking of Jonah Goldberg's latest. It's pretty spot on:

https://twitter.com/GlomarNeverDies/status/986234638212521985

Posted by: moviegique at April 17, 2018 02:46 PM (7zeA4)

105 Without reading the whole thing, if this is giving illegals even more rights, it wholly pisses me off. Becz they have more rights than citizens at this point.

I get the argument, and why he ruled the way he did, but I'd also guess that none of the judges, nor anyone close to them, have ever been a victim of a crime.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 17, 2018 02:46 PM (XVgpK)

106 They need to move the SCOTUS out of DC. As soon as they get a load of the bubbly , the petite fours and the inside stock tips, they are goners. Only the strongest can resist.

Posted by: REDACTED at April 17, 2018 02:46 PM (Ymy4N)

107 And no, I'm not going hair on fire over Gorsuch.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 17, 2018 02:47 PM (y7DUB)

108 >>Without reading the whole thing, if this is giving illegals even more rights, it wholly pisses me off. Becz they have more rights than citizens at this point

You should read the whole thing. It has nothing to do with illegal aliens at all.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 17, 2018 02:47 PM (/tuJf)

109 I mean, I know why: because Billable Hours, baby.

It's far worse than that. There's a reason big corporations are in favor of big regulation - it favors them. They can afford the costs and overcome the hurdles that naturally result, while smaller businesses or would-be upstarts can't. So sure, some lawyers somewhere might make a few more bucks but the endgame is much broader than that.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 17, 2018 02:47 PM (NWiLs)

110 A burglary at a Washington office complex called the Watergate in June 1972 grew into a wide-ranging political scandal that culminated in the resignation of President Richard Nixon two years later
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so was anyone there..considered buglary

Posted by: willow at April 17, 2018 02:47 PM (eaoOY)

111 Congress seems to delight in writing laws that need to be 'interpreted' by the Judicial Branch in the aforementioned circumstance. That needs to change.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at April 17, 2018 02:42 PM (O9qtX)

Yeah, but you are talking about a Court that decided that a Farmer, growing Chicken Feed for his own Chickens, was somehow engaged in Interstate Commerce (ie, Commerce Crossing State Lines).

And a Court that decided to totally ignore both US History, and US Law, and decided that we would HAVE to acknowledge Dual Citizenship.

And a Court that decided that contrary to the will of both the Legislature, and the People, that Marriage was a RIGHT, and not a Privilege...

I could go on and on.... but the fact is that we need some methodology of over riding bad Supreme Court Decisions....

Posted by: Don Q. at April 17, 2018 02:47 PM (NgKpN)

112 One other thing: this is not some huge legal precedent that is going to change the way that law is applied from now on. (like Roe v. Wade, etc) To fix this, all Congress has to do is change about 10 words in an existing statute. Personally, I would make deportation mandatory upon conviction of any felony, and drop the language about "violence" completely.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 17, 2018 02:41 PM (k1TUh)

There ya go!

IMO, Gorsuch is right. Burglary (at least most places) is illegally entering a premises to steal, whereas robbery is wrongfully taking something by force. (criminal law was long ago, so this may not be exact) Since a burglary doesn't need to involve anyone or any force, it could not be deemed to be a violent felony by definition.

So clarify the law, or better yet, go with the Servo amendment.

Posted by: LASue at April 17, 2018 02:47 PM (Z48ZB)

113 98
88 66 Hot Air is now counting the articles you read

AS FUCKING IF

Posted by: REDACTED at April 17, 2018 02:40 PM (Ymy4N

Just went there for the first time in a couple o' months. Too bad. Used to be a go-to place for me.

Posted by: Caliban at April 17, 2018 02:43 PM (QE8X6)

Same here.

Posted by: Surfperch at April 17, 2018 02:45 PM (F65bY)

============
I was in on the first open registration of posters. Place died when Malkin sold it. I just didn't know until it went fecebook.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at April 17, 2018 02:47 PM (pw+jk)

114 Just went there for the first time in a couple o' months. Too bad. Used to be a go-to place for me.
Posted by: Caliban at April 17, 2018 02:43 PM (QE8X6)

Same here.
Posted by: Surfperch at April 17, 2018 02:45 PM (F65bY)

I used to comment there all the time but now it sucks

Posted by: REDACTED at April 17, 2018 02:48 PM (Ymy4N)

115 Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 17, 2018 02:43 PM (+y/Ru)

Couldn't have said it better. Won't try.

Posted by: Mega at April 17, 2018 02:48 PM (9xjVk)

116 What a surprise, Podhertz works for Kristol's Weekly Standard.

Is it me or are all of the WS folks nevertrump clowns?

Why is Stephen Hayes still on the SR panel on FNC?

Posted by: Biscuits Mahoney at April 17, 2018 02:48 PM (6NfMd)

117 Without reading the whole thing, if this is giving illegals even more rights, it wholly pisses me off. Becz they have more rights than citizens at this point.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 17, 2018 02:46 PM (XVgpK)

This wasn't about illegals. It was about legal aliens. But they have no right to stay here, anyway, and there really was nothing overly vague about the law.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 17, 2018 02:48 PM (8gDQu)

118 >>Same here.
Posted by: Surfperch at April 17, 2018 02:45 PM (F65bY)

And may I just say that at this point my "go to" list is getting pretty short. AOS, Lucianne, PJ Media, American Spectator is about all my ticker can tolerate.

Posted by: Caliban at April 17, 2018 02:48 PM (QE8X6)

119 One other thing of note... I don't know about other states, but at least my state has a law for "aggravated burglary," which is different from regular burglary.

Posted by: Biscuits Mahoney at April 17, 2018 02:49 PM (CDF1d)

120 The dissent said the Scalia reasoning was not the proper case to apply because the circumstances were different. Scalia was probably right in his reasoning, the left wing 4 and Gorsuch were wrong here.

any time you have one of out guys agreeing with the communist witches on the bench something is wrong.

And no I am not writing Gorsuch off because of this. I didn't write off Scalia on that stupid marijuana ruling that he cited the Iowa Corn Farmer ruling for "interstate commerce"

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 17, 2018 02:49 PM (mpXpK)

121 99 Some how, some way, the media will make this into a bruising loss for Trump.
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I think they already are.
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Media take : " Ha ha - PDT makes sound, constitutionally focused SCOTUS appointments instead of ideologue "Yes" men... errr... I mean literally Hitler!!!"

Posted by: theATL at April 17, 2018 02:49 PM (yFgwo)

122 So wait, an illegal alien who committed a crime took up time at our SCOTUS to argue why he should stay, when he should not have been here in the first place? After he committed crimes?

What the fvckity fvck kind of crap is that?

We are so fucked.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 17, 2018 02:49 PM (XVgpK)

123 *eyeroll* Podhoretz. The Donald shits bigger than him.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at April 17, 2018 02:49 PM (RD7QR)

124 I should have bought futures on fainting couches...

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at April 17, 2018 02:49 PM (WM75E)

125

18US code 6

The term crime of violence means-
(a)
an
offense that has as an element the use, attempted use, or threatened use
of physical force against the person or property of another, or

(b)
any
other offense that is a felony and that, by its nature, involves a
substantial risk that physical force against the person or property of
another may be used in the course of committing the offense.

-------------------------

The ruling came under part b which said 'aggravated felony' is by its nature a violent crime. He was convicted of a second felony burglary in CA which IS an aggravated felony.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party

With due respect to my elder (ha) "aggravated felony" can mean two different things in two different jurisdictions. The only meaning that matters is under federal law, and that requires some violence or potential for violence as an element of the crime.

In other words, if the crime was "burglarizing an occupied dwelling", then the potential for violence is implicit in the "occupied" element. Without that as an actual part of the crime, there is no per se crime of violence (or potential violence) here.

It's the right decision, but very few liberal justices would go against their inclination to find correctly on the law. Gorsuch did, much as Scalia did in the flag burning case. A justice with integrity.

Posted by: imp at April 17, 2018 02:50 PM (F3cBw)

126 I was in on the first open registration of posters. Place died when Malkin sold it. I just didn't know until it went fecebook.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at April 17, 2018 02:47 PM (pw+jk)

I was the first registered poster on Hot Air. They sent me an email confirming it.

FLAGAC

Posted by: REDACTED at April 17, 2018 02:50 PM (Ymy4N)

127 The left has no standards and wants us dead. we cannot expect to beat them back while siding with them because muh principles.

Muh principles are for after we have beaten the left. Not for beating the left.

Posted by: Nationalist Pikachu at April 17, 2018 02:50 PM (yOkUY)

128 Oh the horror of a reasoned opinion.

You have to laugh as some people bring this upon themselves. They read the trolling headline and never read the actual issue and opinion.

What Gorsuch reasoned is intellectually defensible. I do not complete agree and the dissent makes some good points. But the danger of ruling in favor of such treatment is a double edged sword.

You want better immigration policies? Tell Congress to get off their asses. We do not want the courts doing this stuff.

Posted by: Marcus T, Evil Wall Street Rooster at April 17, 2018 02:50 PM (MCEwl)

129
Hot Air is now counting the articles you read

AS FUCKING IF
Posted by: REDACTED

Do they only allow a certain number to be read?
What happens after that limit is reached?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 17, 2018 02:50 PM (IqV8l)

130 I like Gorsuch!'s thinking/logic here. The law is what it says as written. Congress could fix this but never will. Laws need to be understandable and knowable... The ball is in the legislators court... that is the problem. (I have no idea how to fix congress other than changing them out on a regular basis).

Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable russian bot! at April 17, 2018 02:51 PM (0OmEj)

131 And no, I'm not going hair on fire over Gorsuch.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 17, 2018 02:47 PM (y7DUB)

Me neither. Its one ruling. I just think he's wrong, and agree with Thomas, Alito, Roberts, and Kennedy that the law was sufficietnly clear and a home invasion sufficiently indicative of violence.

But I'm glad you mentioned "hair on fire". How many defending Gorsuch today are "hair on fire" ? I can think of two (Taylor and Servo) that make a pretty good, dispassionate case that I just happen to disagree with.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 17, 2018 02:51 PM (fiGNd)

132 What about read the opinion is so hard to understand?

Posted by: Marcus T, Evil Wall Street Rooster at April 17, 2018 02:51 PM (MCEwl)

133 Tsarneav crime family is made up of Lawful Permanent Residents too. What's your point?

Posted by: regular joe
...

Gorsuch ruled on the Speedbump case?

Or Tsaerneav was a burglar?

Sorry. I don't follow you.

Posted by: Tanner Boyle at April 17, 2018 02:51 PM (2wOtx)

134 Some how, some way, the media will make this into a bruising loss for Trump.
======

I think they already are.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 17, 2018 02:45 PM (vg8iE)
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Which means he is still over the target. They will never beat him so they will keep bringing this nancy boy shit hoping to make a dent.

Posted by: Mega at April 17, 2018 02:51 PM (9xjVk)

135 Why would we have a "violence required" standard in the first place? Shouldn't "Convicted of a Felony" be enough for deportation?

Seems to me there was a time this would have been "Common Sense." SMH

Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at April 17, 2018 02:52 PM (t41dG)

136 I was the first registered poster on Hot Air. They sent me an email confirming it.

FLAGAC

Posted by: REDACTED at April 17, 2018 02:50 PM (Ymy4N)

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If you still have that email, print it up and burn it.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at April 17, 2018 02:52 PM (pw+jk)

137 You will never see Kagan do this type of thing and side with us. NEVER.

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To be fair..... Obama got his ass handed to him more than once on 9-0 votes.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 17, 2018 02:52 PM (8XRCm)

138 Posted by: REDACTED

Do they only allow a certain number to be read?
What happens after that limit is reached?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 17, 2018 02:50 PM (IqV8l)

You become Bertram Cabot, Jr.

Posted by: REDACTED at April 17, 2018 02:52 PM (Ymy4N)

139

oh, and J-Pod should stick his needle dick in an electrical socket.

Posted by: imp at April 17, 2018 02:52 PM (F3cBw)

140 Reuters Business
@ReutersBiz
BREAKING: Starbucks to close all company-owned stores in U.S. on afternoon of May 29 to conduct racial-bias education

Oh, for Obama's sake! No one will ever be able to bow low enough to appease the race hucksters.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 17, 2018 02:52 PM (+y/Ru)

141 Have to love snow coming past the day where by law, you can't have snow tires on your car anymore.

Posted by: Hikaru at April 17, 2018 02:53 PM (WDCYi)

142 81 Honest to god question here: can someone explain to me why, in the current political climate, why having activist judges on our side wouldn't be a good thing?"

Because having activist judges perverts the entire concept of having a separate judicial branch, and thus can lead only to the destruction of our current Constitutional Government, and the loss of our Constitution itself. That's what this fight is really all about.

In other countries, and in the past, Judges were NOT independent - Judges worked for the King, or whoever was in power, and they did what they were told. The idea of a truly Independent Judiciary that could tell a Government that It Is Wrong was a huge unheard of innovation of the English Legal System, perfected by the American Constitutional System. It truly is the best and most honest legal system ever devised by mankind in it's entire history. (that is not to say that it is perfect, far from it, obviously - but it is still worlds better than anything else any men have ever devised)

When you allow Judges to be Activists, you allow them to Usurp the powers of both the Executive and the Legislature. That is the road to Judicial Tyranny, which is as bad and will be just as destructive as any other kind of Tyranny ever devised.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 17, 2018 02:53 PM (k1TUh)

143 Stupid question. Can lawmakers consult with Supreme Court justices before writing legislation?

Can they call them up and say "The intent of this law is such and so. Do you think this will leave any loopholes?"

I'm just wondering about how this screwups happen in the first place and require another round of delays? It seems absurd that Congress (who should know legalese) is flying blind and blunders into the SC and then has to dust itself off and try again.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 17, 2018 02:53 PM (/qEW2)

144 What a surprise, Podhertz works for Kristol's Weekly Standard.

Is it me or are all of the WS folks nevertrump clowns?

Why is Stephen Hayes still on the SR panel on FNC?

Posted by: Biscuits Mahoney at April 17, 2018 02:48 PM (6NfMd)

I think Paul Singer has pretty much ordered them to be NeverTrump. Because nothing says "conservative values" like being told your continued employment depends on not committing thought crimes.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 17, 2018 02:53 PM (y7DUB)

145 I could go on and on.... but the fact is that we need some methodology of over riding bad Supreme Court Decisions....
Posted by: Don Q. at April 17, 2018 02:47 PM (NgKpN)

We actually do, but that involves the very same Congress that can't get its collective head out of its 4th point of contact.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at April 17, 2018 02:53 PM (O9qtX)

146 >>If you still have that email, print it up and burn it.

That would be illegal.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 17, 2018 02:53 PM (/tuJf)

147 I like Gorsuch!'s thinking/logic here. The law is what it says as written. Congress could fix this but never will. Laws need to be understandable and knowable... The ball is in the legislators court... that is the problem. (I have no idea how to fix congress other than changing them out on a regular basis).

Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable russian bot! at April 17, 2018 02:51 PM (0OmEj)

Sure. BarkyCare never mentioned that the mandate was a tax, was only given cert in the SCOTUS because the mandate was "definitely not a tax" and then was found (laughably) Constitutional because Benedict Roberts declared that the mandate had become a tax over the course of the proceedings.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 17, 2018 02:53 PM (8gDQu)

148 132 What about read the opinion is so hard to understand?
Posted by: Marcus T, Evil Wall Street Rooster at April 17, 2018 02:51 PM (MCEwl)

Marcus, are you goofing me? You should be kind to your elders, young man.

Posted by: Caliban at April 17, 2018 02:53 PM (QE8X6)

149 This wasn't about illegals. It was about legal aliens. But they have no right to stay here, anyway, and there really was nothing overly vague about the law.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 17, 2018 02:48 PM (8gDQu)

Here's a question for thought: What *should* be done about legal "Resident Aliens", some of whom have been for all practical purposes been here all their lives and don't speak the "mother tongue", when they run afoul of the law? Does it depend upon the law? Discuss.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 17, 2018 02:53 PM (ujg0T)

150
In
the case before the court, a man was arrested for burglary. Burglary is
generally defined as the illegal breaking into the dwelling place of
another with the intention to commit a felony once inside. Usually, a
burglary involves breaking into a dwelling with the intention to steal
or commit an assault.

As burglary is defined, that is not always the case. Any felony committed after a break in is considered burglary.

In this case, the lower court reasoned that breaking into a dwelling
had such a high likelihood of confrontation with the owner or resident
that it was inherently a violent act. The immigration law stated that
any violent act created a reason to deport a non citizen.

So the case boiled down this: is burglary an inherently violent act?

Gorsuch reasoned that it wasn't and that the statute was too vague.
In essence, a non citizen could break into a building with the intention
of filing a fraudulent IRS tax return (a felony) and the statute could
be interpreted to mean he committed a burglary and thus he was violent
and thus subject to deportation.

Posted by: dri at April 17, 2018 02:54 PM (mam4/)

151 I think Starbucks should have to sell all of their products ot people of color at 1/3 the price.

Posted by: Jesse Jackson at April 17, 2018 02:54 PM (pw+jk)

152 This wasn't about illegals. It was about legal aliens. But they have no right to stay here, anyway, and there really was nothing overly vague about the law.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 17, 2018 02:48 PM (8gDQu)

Thanks for the info. And I agree with you that there was nothing vague about the law either. Nor should he get to stay here for committing a crime.

But sure glad we had a legal alien show us we were wrong after 200 plus years. I have doubts that an older SCOTUS from the past would have bought this codswallop. Or even heard it. What a waste of court time.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 17, 2018 02:54 PM (XVgpK)

153 With due respect to my elder (ha) "aggravated
felony" can mean two different things in two different jurisdictions.
The only meaning that matters is under federal law, and that requires
some violence or potential for violence as an element of the crime.

In other words, if the crime was "burglarizing an occupied
dwelling", then the potential for violence is implicit in the "occupied"
element. Without that as an actual part of the crime, there is no per
se crime of violence (or potential violence) here.

It's the right decision, but very few liberal justices would go
against their inclination to find correctly on the law. Gorsuch did,
much as Scalia did in the flag burning case. A justice with integrity.

Posted by: imp at April 17, 2018 02:50 PM (F3cBw)

You missed the part where that was under 18US6

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 17, 2018 02:54 PM (mpXpK)

154
Have to love snow coming past the day where by law, you can't have snow tires on your car anymore.
Posted by: Hikaru

Take it to the supreme court!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 17, 2018 02:54 PM (IqV8l)

155 I do not want a guaranteed vote for my side like that pair of socks Kagan and Sotomayor. I want a Justice who honestly interprets the Constitution.

Posted by: Marcus T, Evil Wall Street Rooster at April 17, 2018 02:54 PM (MCEwl)

156 140 Reuters Business
@ReutersBiz
BREAKING: Starbucks to close all company-owned stores in U.S. on afternoon of May 29 to conduct racial-bias education

Oh, for Obama's sake! No one will ever be able to bow low enough to appease the race hucksters.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 17, 2018 02:52 PM (+y/Ru)

If Obama was really Black Jesus, he'd sacrifice himself for "America's Racial Sins".

And just so we're on the up-and-up here, I mean by "sacrifice" that he gives himself up and spends the rest of his life in GITMO.

Posted by: Hikaru at April 17, 2018 02:55 PM (WDCYi)

157 AND BTW, you may not agree with the CA or US law, but BOTH are damn clear. Neither was vague.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 17, 2018 02:55 PM (mpXpK)

158 Seems like it was Tom Brady who threatened Stormy! (Per GP)

Posted by: CN at April 17, 2018 02:55 PM (5gaNQ)

159 Podhoretz? Yes, quite punchable.

Posted by: Taqyia2Me at April 17, 2018 02:55 PM (Ftuf+)

160 It seems absurd that Congress (who should know
legalese) is flying blind and blunders into the SC and then has to dust
itself off and try again.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 17, 2018 02:53 PM
---------------------------
Honey, what you call "flying blind" and "blunders" are what we call, "deliberate actions" and "The desired result."

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at April 17, 2018 02:56 PM (t41dG)

161 When you allow Judges to be Activists, you allow them to Usurp the powers of both the Executive and the Legislature. That is the road to Judicial Tyranny, which is as bad and will be just as destructive as any other kind of Tyranny ever devised.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 17, 2018 02:53 PM (k1TUh)

Your line of thinking only works if you've got NINE like minded judges.

We currently have four progressive activists on the bench. Gorsuch just gave them a victory.

Sure ... he was high-minded in his reasoning. A Progressive Victory all the same.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 17, 2018 02:56 PM (fiGNd)

162 62 Let's give the guy a chance. My goodness, it is ONE ruling.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at April 17, 2018 02:39 PM (wGbBR)

This. Too early to spray the lighter fluid in our hair and grab the matches. Some people just like to assume the worst.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at April 17, 2018 02:56 PM (RD7QR)

163
I think Starbucks should have to sell all of their products ot people of color at 1/3 the price.
Posted by: Jesse Jackson

3/5

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 17, 2018 02:56 PM (IqV8l)

164 Geez, is Podhoretz really trying to imply there's any possibility Hillary would have appointed a better justice than Gorsuch? That just beggars belief.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 17, 2018 02:56 PM (h2Bdk)

165 Scalia was wrong on child sex defendants being able to face their accusers. It was not the intent of authors of the Constitution to have the accused be able to confront a three or four year old.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 17, 2018 02:56 PM (s9DTK)

166 155 I do not want a guaranteed vote for my side like that pair of socks Kagan and Sotomayor. I want a Justice who honestly interprets the Constitution.
Posted by: Marcus T, Evil Wall Street Rooster at April 17, 2018 02:54 PM (MCEwl)

It's at the point where we need Total War.

Ruin and Harm the other side until they surrender. On Our Terms.

Posted by: Hikaru at April 17, 2018 02:56 PM (WDCYi)

167 I can think of two (Taylor and Servo) that make a pretty good, dispassionate case that I just happen to disagree with."

thank you for that, I really do appreciate it!

(behind closed doors, the conservative justices disagree and argue with each other all the time - kinda like family, I suppose)

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 17, 2018 02:56 PM (k1TUh)

168 BREAKING: Starbucks to close all company-owned stores in U.S. on afternoon of May 29 to conduct racial-bias education
...

White people will not be admitted.

Posted by: Tanner Boyle at April 17, 2018 02:56 PM (2wOtx)

169 Thank you for the reasonable critique Ace. We have to keep cool heads through these weird times.

Posted by: Draki at April 17, 2018 02:56 PM (1FOZi)

170 I do not want a guaranteed vote for my side like that pair of socks Kagan and Sotomayor. I want a Justice who honestly interprets the Constitution.

Posted by: Marcus T, Evil Wall Street Rooster at April 17, 2018 02:54 PM (MCEwl)

Sure. But, in this case, he was incorrect.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 17, 2018 02:56 PM (8gDQu)

171 143 Stupid question. Can lawmakers consult with Supreme Court justices before writing legislation?

Can they call them up and say "The intent of this law is such and so. Do you think this will leave any loopholes?"

I'm just wondering about how this screwups happen in the first place and require another round of delays? It seems absurd that Congress (who should know legalese) is flying blind and blunders into the SC and then has to dust itself off and try again.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear

Not a stupid question at all, but one answered early on. No. The Supreme Court cannot provide "advisory opinions." It's jurisdiction is limited to cases and controversies involving actual litigants.

Posted by: imp at April 17, 2018 02:57 PM (F3cBw)

172 I thought that legal precedent, especially SCOTUS precedent, was sacrosanct.

Oh that is only for abortion and homo marriage.... and anything the left wants.

So I see online sales tax getting a favorable review from SCOTUS.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at April 17, 2018 02:57 PM (pw+jk)

173 104 The important thing is that Trump supporters be humiliated, not that good lawmaking be encouraged.

Posted by: moviegique at April 17, 2018 02:46 PM (7zeA4)
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Nailed it.
That's all I can make out of Podhoretz's twatter.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 17, 2018 02:57 PM (0jtPF)

174 If Kathryn Steinle's murderer can skate, so can this guy.

Posted by: Under Fire at April 17, 2018 02:57 PM (r9UYA)

175 I think Starbucks should have to sell all of their products ot people of color at 1/3 the price.
Posted by: Jesse Jackson at April 17, 2018 02:54 PM (pw+jk)

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3/5's price. For historical..... irony.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 17, 2018 02:57 PM (8XRCm)

176 158 Seems like it was Tom Brady who threatened Stormy! (Per GP)
Posted by: CN at April 17, 2018 02:55 PM (5gaNQ)

Heh. I guess the sketch DOES kind of look like Brady.

Posted by: Hikaru at April 17, 2018 02:57 PM (WDCYi)

177 Can you shoot a burglar?

Posted by: rhennigantx at April 17, 2018 02:58 PM (BtQd4)

178 thank you for that, I really do appreciate it!

(behind closed doors, the conservative justices disagree and argue with each other all the time - kinda like family, I suppose)

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 17, 2018 02:56 PM (k1TUh)

Completely meant it.

I wonder ... this is not the first time ... if I need to drop "signals" in my text - so that people know I'm arguing aggressively but not pissed.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 17, 2018 02:58 PM (fiGNd)

179 166: Fight fire with fire?

Posted by: CN at April 17, 2018 02:58 PM (5gaNQ)

180 >>Heh. I guess the sketch DOES kind of look like Brady.

Looks even more like her ex-husband. Really.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 17, 2018 02:58 PM (/tuJf)

181 155 I do not want a guaranteed vote for my side like that pair of socks Kagan and Sotomayor. I want a Justice who honestly interprets the Constitution.
Posted by: Marcus T, Evil Wall Street Rooster at April 17, 2018 02:54 PM (MCEwl)

You have no concerns

Posted by: Tony Amendola at April 17, 2018 02:58 PM (Ymy4N)

182 177
Can you shoot a burglar?

Posted by: rhennigantx at April 17, 2018 02:58 PM (BtQd4)

Of course you can, but depending on what State you live in you may be punished.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 17, 2018 02:58 PM (mpXpK)

183 When you allow Judges to be Activists, you allow them to Usurp the powers of both the Executive and the Legislature. That is the road to Judicial Tyranny, which is as bad and will be just as destructive as any other kind of Tyranny ever devised.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 17, 2018 02:53 PM (k1TUh)

I agree. But it seems to me like we're already on that road since we can't prevent the left from using judicial activism. So... what, we just sit by and let it happen?

You can't counteract judicial activism with judicial restraint because every activist decision that the left makes becomes part of the body of work that has to be used to inform future rulings.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at April 17, 2018 02:58 PM (mk7Bj)

184 Having your house burgled is one of the most invasive, traumatic experiences a person can endure.

I know someone whose house was burgled while she was away. After she returned and discovered that all of her valuables were gone, her bedroom ransacked, etc., she said that she felt "raped" and was shaking with fear and rage. That was five years ago -- and she STILL hasn't gotten over it. It literally changed her personality, the incident was such a major trauma.

Actual, physical violence is bad, of course; but the "emotional violence" of some crimes otherwise deemed "nonviolent" -- burglaries, robberies, stalking, etc. -- is often just as traumatic to the victim. To be, this constitutes a deportable offense.

Posted by: zombie at April 17, 2018 02:59 PM (42M22)

185
The man in Florida that released ballons on Valentines Day that happened to drift into a nature preserve was charged with a third degree felony. Polluting to harm humans ,animals and plants, which carries a minimum two year sentence

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at April 17, 2018 02:59 PM (lKyWE)

186 I see Starbucks is closing for a day so the whole company can go to sensitivity camp for a day. I suppose they think this will appease BLM save them from any more action by the SJW left and prove their liberal street cred? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.....

Refer to Evergreen State College to see what happens when a liberal institution starts accommodating the SJW. The CEO of Starbucks is going to find himself in a struggle session with the Red Guards. I doubt they will let let him use the bathroom like they did the President of Evergreen.

Posted by: Ripley at April 17, 2018 02:59 PM (MxEKc)

187 180 >>Heh. I guess the sketch DOES kind of look like Brady.

Way too much air in those hooters for Brady to be involved

Posted by: REDACTED at April 17, 2018 03:00 PM (Ymy4N)

188 To be, this
=
To me, this

Posted by: zombie at April 17, 2018 03:00 PM (42M22)

189 188 To be, this
=
To me, this
Posted by: zombie at April 17, 2018 03:00 PM (42M22)

Or not to be, this.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 17, 2018 03:00 PM (NWiLs)

190 When you allow Judges to be Activists, you allow them to Usurp the powers of both the Executive and the Legislature. That is the road to Judicial Tyranny, which is as bad and will be just as destructive as any other kind of Tyranny ever devised.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 17, 2018 02:53 PM (k1TUh)

this.

Posted by: willow at April 17, 2018 03:00 PM (eaoOY)

191 Wait, Tom Brady felt up Stormy Daniels' funbags? Or is my cold getting worse?

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at April 17, 2018 03:01 PM (RD7QR)

192 Yet somehow 4 of the 5 Republican appointed justices came to the exact opposite legal conclusion Gorsuch did.

If conservatives want to play by these rules, just count on losing for the foresseable future.

That sort of reasoning is very "NeverTrump":

"I'm not a Democrat, but I can't support Trump, and instead think the better outcome would be the Left to succeed so someday we can fix these things the RIGHT way!"

While criminal illegals pile up in our country, we can all rest easy knowing Gorsuch is willing to throw the country under the bus to make an obscure legal point and look like a hero at his wife's next dinner party.

Posted by: Maritime at April 17, 2018 03:01 PM (lKmt3)

193 I don't like the standard of "empty home" vs "occupied home" in regards to violence.

If nothing else, it depends on luck. Burglar thinks home is empty, but home-owner is sleeping. Violent or not ? Burglar thinks home is occupied, but its just a lamp on a timer. Violent ?

I hate standards based upon intent. Either you did the deed or you didn't. I don't care about why.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 17, 2018 03:01 PM (fiGNd)

194 Scalia was wrong on child sex defendants being able to face their accusers. It was not the intent of authors of the Constitution to have the accused be able to confront a three or four year old.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth

Because in those days, the accused would have never made it to trial.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 17, 2018 03:01 PM (tu/2g)

195 No! I am not Scalia, nor was meant to be;
Am an associate justice, one that will do
To cast a vote, write an opinion or two,
I know my place, no doubt an easy tool.
Deferential, glad to be of use,
Politic, cautious, and meticulous;
Full of high sentence, but a bit obtuse;
At times, indeed, almost ridiculous -
Almost, at times, the Fool.

Posted by: N. Gorsuch Prufcuck at April 17, 2018 03:01 PM (/qEW2)

196 Actual, physical violence is bad, of course; but the "emotional violence" of some crimes otherwise deemed "nonviolent" -- burglaries, robberies, stalking, etc. -- is often just as traumatic to the victim. To be, this constitutes a deportable offense.
Posted by: zombie at April 17, 2018 02:59 PM (42M22)

I think the legal term for this is the Death Wish (201

principle.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at April 17, 2018 03:01 PM (mk7Bj)

197 I don't think either side in this case were being activists in their decision making , at least Gorsuch and the dissenters. I think they had an actual legitimate difference of opinion . I do not think they had a preordained outcome they wanted and worked they way to that ruling.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 17, 2018 03:01 PM (s9DTK)

198 But I'm glad you mentioned "hair on fire". How many defending Gorsuch today are "hair on fire" ? I can think of two (Taylor and Servo) that make a pretty good, dispassionate case that I just happen to disagree with.
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 17, 2018 02:51 PM (fiGNd)

The only hair on fires I've noticed are thinking we've got another Souter in progress which, after Kelo, which was an absolute clusterfuck in terms of violating the underlying principles of the country requiring an obtuse misreading of the Constitution to justify, is ludicrous to apply to a fixable part of legislation.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 17, 2018 03:02 PM (y7DUB)

199 I agree. But it seems to me like we're already on that road since we can't prevent the left from using judicial activism. So... what, we just sit by and let it happen?

You can't counteract judicial activism with judicial restraint because every activist decision that the left makes becomes part of the body of work that has to be used to inform future rulings.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at April 17, 2018 02:58 PM (mk7Bj)

Speaking of the late Justice Scalia, IIRC he noted this "stare decisis" creeping tendency in his dissent from the Supreme Court ruling overturning sodomy laws, when they had been upheld 15 years prior.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 17, 2018 03:02 PM (ujg0T)

200 191 Wait, Tom Brady felt up Stormy Daniels' funbags? Or is my cold getting worse?
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at April 17, 2018 03:01 PM (RD7QR)

No.

Just that from the description she gave, the sketch artist drew a face that looks like Tom Brady.

Posted by: Hikaru at April 17, 2018 03:02 PM (WDCYi)

201 I think Starbucks should have to sell all of their products ot people of color at 1/3 the price.
Posted by: Jesse Jackson

3/5

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And discontinue lattes and cappuccinos. Sell only black coffee.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 17, 2018 03:02 PM (+y/Ru)

202 143 Stupid question. Can lawmakers consult with Supreme Court justices before writing legislation?

Can they call them up and say "The intent of this law is such and so. Do you think this will leave any loopholes?"

You may be surprised to know that there is a very clear answer to this question. Since Article III of the Constitution holds that the Supreme Court only has the power to decide actual "Cases or Controversies", the Supreme Court has held, starting back when Washington was President, that it has no power to offer "Advisory Opinions" on any matter. And it has repeatedly refused to do so when asked.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 17, 2018 03:02 PM (k1TUh)

203 Can you shoot a burglar?

Turd burglar, oh yes, be my guest

Posted by: Yoweri Museveni at April 17, 2018 03:02 PM (Ymy4N)

204 201 I think Starbucks should have to sell all of their products ot people of color at 1/3 the price.
Posted by: Jesse Jackson

3/5

-
And discontinue lattes and cappuccinos. Sell only black coffee.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 17, 2018 03:02 PM (+y/Ru)

Women get 24% off.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 17, 2018 03:03 PM (NWiLs)

205 190 When you allow Judges to be Activists, you allow them to Usurp the powers of both the Executive and the Legislature. That is the road to Judicial Tyranny, which is as bad and will be just as destructive as any other kind of Tyranny ever devised.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 17, 2018 02:53 PM (k1TUh)

this.
Posted by: willow at April 17, 2018 03:00 PM (eaoOY)

Kritarchy.... Rule by Judges....

Posted by: Don Q. at April 17, 2018 03:03 PM (NgKpN)

206 24 Liberal judges will straight up say 2+2=5. Yet our supposed conservative judges pull this shit. And we wonder why libs always win the long game.
Posted by: #neverskankles at April 17, 2018 02:33 PM (RGq6k)
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This. I want laws to be unambiguously written so DAs and ADAs etc. can't exact their own brand of justice based on whatever whim they conjure, but Gorsuch's ruling is like arguing the wallpaper isn't quite right when the house is on fire.

Posted by: Chuck Finley at April 17, 2018 03:03 PM (8GpE7)

207 The man in Florida that released ballons on Valentines Day that happened to drift into a nature preserve was charged with a third degree felony. Polluting to harm humans ,animals and plants, which carries a minimum two year sentence
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at April 17, 2018 02:59 PM (lKyW

A crime of violence. Can he be deported?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 17, 2018 03:03 PM (s9DTK)

208
While criminal illegals pile up in our country, we can all rest easy knowing Gorsuch is willing to throw the country under the bus to make an obscure legal point and look like a hero at his wife's next dinner party.

Posted by: Maritime at April 17, 2018 03:01 PM (lKmt3)

The guy is a legal permanent resident

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at April 17, 2018 03:03 PM (lKyWE)

209 Since Article III of the Constitution holds that the Supreme Court only has the power to decide actual "Cases or Controversies", the Supreme Court has held, starting back when Washington was President, that it has no power to offer "Advisory Opinions" on any matter. And it has repeatedly refused to do so when asked.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 17, 2018 03:02 PM (k1TUh)

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Legisalators at the founding were not total imbeciles like they are today.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 17, 2018 03:04 PM (8XRCm)

210

153: ... Vic

18 USC Sec. 6, Vic? Sec. 16, I think?

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/16

But to your point, "by its nature" means something as a legal term of art. It means that teh "violence" has to be physical, and part of the crime. A crime has elements, and if all the elements are not met (like check boxes) the crime was not committed. Another crime might have been. but the state has to have charged the criminal defendant with that crime, or they will walk free. Like the Bundys in Oregon, Casey Anthony, or OJ, or any number of criminal defendants who get charged for teh big crime and the prosecutors let the little crime go so the defendant doesn't get off "easy".

You may not like the fact that laws cannot be read by plain language and common sense, but there it is, all the same. "By its nature" requires the violence or potential for violence be part of the crime itself, not just an "add on" in semantics by calling the crime "aggravated."

Posted by: imp at April 17, 2018 03:04 PM (F3cBw)

211 When a person burgers a home or property, it's violence. I don't understand the logic and reasonjg behind it being argued as not violent.

Also criminal treaapass. Also criminal tresspass for being a guest here and not respecting the laws.

Sounds like the Gooch may be one of those asshoes for the sake of pissing in the punch bowl to be an asshole.

* pours a shot, toasts POTUS and his team, toasts the Horse, and toasts the 12k memes Trumps team releaeed, which are devistating and should strike joy for us and fear of death or physical removal for the Marxists/Commies*

*continues to read the mega dump*

Posted by: Monk at April 17, 2018 03:04 PM (9acFt)

212 Justice Sonia Sotomayor broke her right shoulder in a fall at home.

What's with these commie chicks being unable to stay upright?

Posted by: wth at April 17, 2018 03:05 PM (HgMAr)

213 This should captivate the Morons of the Horde...

Mariah Carey is facing possible legal trouble. Her former manager might be suing the pop-star for sexual harassment. She claims that Mariah would parade in front of her nude.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at April 17, 2018 03:05 PM (WM75E)

214
While criminal illegals pile up in our country, we can all rest easy
knowing Gorsuch is willing to throw the country under the bus
...

The alien in this decision was legal.

Posted by: Tanner Boyle at April 17, 2018 03:05 PM (2wOtx)

215 That Glomar fisking of Jonah on one page:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/986234638212521985.html

Posted by: moviegique at April 17, 2018 03:05 PM (7zeA4)

216
When a person burgers a home or property, it's violence. I don't understand the logic and reasonjg behind it being argued as not violent.

My grilling is never violence!!

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at April 17, 2018 03:06 PM (lKyWE)

217 Why should this poor man be persecuted for a crime of opportunity. I support this decision.

Posted by: Fr. James Comey at April 17, 2018 03:06 PM (r9UYA)

218 193 I don't like the standard of "empty home" vs "occupied home" in regards to violence.

If nothing else, it depends on luck. Burglar thinks home is empty, but home-owner is sleeping. Violent or not ? Burglar thinks home is occupied, but its just a lamp on a timer. Violent ?

I hate standards based upon intent. Either you did the deed or you didn't. I don't care about why."

I agree with you completely on that. With respect to the law in question in this thread, that definition means that a resident alien who burglarized an empty house would get to stay here, but a resident alien who burglarized an occupied house, even when no one was home, would get kicked out. That's just nuts. It's like that line Sigourney Weaver yelled at one point in Galaxy Quest - "THAT WAS BADLY WRITTEN!!!"

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 17, 2018 03:06 PM (k1TUh)

219 >>What's with these commie chicks being unable to stay upright?

They lean hard left.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 17, 2018 03:06 PM (/tuJf)

220 Geez, is Podhoretz really trying to imply there's any possibility Hillary would have appointed a better justice than Gorsuch? That just beggars belief.
Posted by: Ace's liver at April 17, 2018 02:56 PM (h2Bdk)

He's really quite childlike and trollish in having to immediately type something snarky without considering the implications of it.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 17, 2018 03:06 PM (y7DUB)

221 This. I want laws to be unambiguously written so DAs and ADAs etc. can't exact their own brand of justice based on whatever whim they conjure, but Gorsuch's ruling is like arguing the wallpaper isn't quite right when the house is on fire.

Posted by: Chuck Finley at April 17, 2018 03:03 PM (8GpE7)

I truly don't think writing unambiguous law is possible. Lawyers and Judges CREATE ambiguity ... even where none exists. If the law is sufficiently clear ... they'll find precedent suitably malleable to strike it down.

And I like your house on fire phrase. Very appropriate.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 17, 2018 03:06 PM (fiGNd)

222 Let's go Krogering

Posted by: REDACTED at April 17, 2018 03:06 PM (Ymy4N)

223 Does it really matter anyway, this decision?

We selective enforce laws now. We have sanctuary states and cities. Illegal aliens get a pass on committing crimes so their names won't show up for ICE to deport. Police do their jobs... sometimes. Illegals demand rights and money and get it.

it's like I don't know my country anymore. This SCOTUS decision is secondary to all that. Nor do I put it on Gorush (sp). I put it on all those who voted that the law wasn't clear. And that legal aliens can stay. Bullshit.

This opens the door to nit pic all kinds of laws. So fed up. Marxism, we are moving toward ya. Faster each day.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 17, 2018 03:06 PM (XVgpK)

224 The man in Florida that released ballons on Valentines Day that happened to drift into a nature preserve was charged with a third degree felony. Polluting to harm humans ,animals and plants, which carries a minimum two year sentence
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at April 17, 2018 02:59 PM (lKyW

A crime of violence. Can he be deported?

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A crime against nature.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 17, 2018 03:07 PM (+y/Ru)

225 213 I think Mariah Carey looks like a monkey.And I can't stand her screeching.

Posted by: steevy at April 17, 2018 03:07 PM (LiyEm)

226 214
While criminal illegals pile up in our country, we can all rest easy
knowing Gorsuch is willing to throw the country under the bus
...

The alien in this decision was legal.

Posted by: Tanner Boyle at April 17, 2018 03:05 PM (2wOtx)

So.... a Felon Legal Alien?

Posted by: Don Q. at April 17, 2018 03:07 PM (NgKpN)

227 Posted by: imp at April 17, 2018 03:04 PM (F3cBw)

Again subjective. A reasonable person may agree that illegally entering into a person's home to take their property could be potential for violence.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 17, 2018 03:08 PM (s9DTK)

228 >>212 Justice Sonia Sotomayor broke her right shoulder in a fall at home.

What's with these commie chicks being unable to stay upright?

Posted by: wth at April 17, 2018 03:05 PM (HgMAr)

It seems the large Devils Food cake I sent her worked.

Posted by: Under Fire at April 17, 2018 03:08 PM (r9UYA)

229 Mariah Carey is facing possible legal trouble. Her former manager might be suing the pop-star for sexual harassment. She claims that Mariah would parade in front of her nude.

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Mariah Carey had the worst New Year's Eve performance I've ever seen a few years ago and I don't think I could stand hearing her talk for more than 30 min, but I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't hit that like a barn door in a hurricane if given the opportunity.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at April 17, 2018 03:08 PM (mk7Bj)

230
So.... a Felon Legal Alien?
...

Yep. Burglar.

Posted by: Tanner Boyle at April 17, 2018 03:08 PM (2wOtx)

231 What's with these commie chicks being unable to stay upright?
Posted by: wth at April 17, 2018 03:05 PM (HgMAr)

Just a wild guess but physics ??

Posted by: REDACTED at April 17, 2018 03:08 PM (Ymy4N)

232 Both Gorsuch and Thomas had reasonable arguments. And I don't buy the idea that, at this level, the "let's be like them" applies. If we don't stick to traditional LEGAL thinking, if judges rule always for the desired outcomes, then we've lost the whole thing anyways. Sure, their judges do that. But the law cannot be like politics, which has always been a sewer.

There are times and places to use the "by their rules" standard. This isn't one.

Posted by: George LeS at April 17, 2018 03:08 PM (/ki+X)

233 My concern is with a Congress who refuses to properly carry out their constitutional duty. If they actually did their job the courts would not have the power they do.

Congress has given up more power than is theirs to give to both the Executive and Judicial branches in the last 20 years because they are lazy and ineffectual sloths.

Posted by: Marcus T, Evil Wall Street Rooster at April 17, 2018 03:08 PM (MCEwl)

234 200 191 Wait, Tom Brady felt up Stormy Daniels' funbags? Or is my cold getting worse?
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at April 17, 2018 03:01 PM (RD7QR)

No.

Just that from the description she gave, the sketch artist drew a face that looks like Tom Brady.
Posted by: Hikaru at April 17, 2018 03:02 PM (WDCYi)

You've gotta admit, though, it would be interesting to have Tom Brady go through a divorce hearing with a fuming Giselle Bundchen listening while he describes throwing a long bomb to Stormy, so to speak. Or maybe I should get more coffee.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at April 17, 2018 03:08 PM (RD7QR)

235 Mariah Carey is facing possible legal trouble. Her former manager might be suing the pop-star for sexual harassment. She claims that Mariah would parade in front of her nude.

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The horror! The horror!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 17, 2018 03:08 PM (+y/Ru)

236 What's with these commie chicks being unable to stay upright?

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Gin?

Posted by: Skandia Recluse the unwoke at April 17, 2018 03:09 PM (roQNm)

237 Justice Sonia Sotomayor broke her right shoulder in a fall at home.

Bet they had to give her a truckload of opiods.

Posted by: wth at April 17, 2018 03:09 PM (HgMAr)

238 Justice Sonia Sotomayor broke her right shoulder in a fall at home.

What's with these commie chicks being unable to stay upright?
Posted by: wth at April 17, 2018 03:05 PM (HgMAr)

If that obese diabetic doesn't stop shoving carbs down her simple maw in large quantities, a hurt shoulder will be a negligible problem.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 17, 2018 03:09 PM (y7DUB)

239
John Podhoretz

But Gorsuch!

heheheheheh

------------------

Podhoretz: Mocking those he despises by acting like a two-year old.

You go with that, Podhoretz. Thanks for reminding the rest of us why ignoring you continues to be an excellent idea.

Posted by: blake at April 17, 2018 03:09 PM (IlV2p)

240 Why We do not need Activist Judges - Because our Constitutional System already HAS an activist branch that can do all of the things we want, including changing the laws - the CONGRESS!

The left needs activist judges because they are always working on ways to do end runs around the Congress and the President - but we have the power to vote in a Congress what will actually work for us! The answer to an ineffective and useless Congress isn't for us to try to come up with ways to get Judges to take over their jobs - the answer is to get a better Congress than we've got.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 17, 2018 03:09 PM (k1TUh)

241
Wait, Tom Brady felt up Stormy Daniels' funbags? Or is my cold getting worse?
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at April 17, 2018 03:01 PM (RD7QR)

He deflated them a little for a better grip

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at April 17, 2018 03:10 PM (lKyWE)

242 You've gotta admit, though, it would be interesting to have Tom Brady go through a divorce hearing with a fuming Giselle Bundchen listening while he describes throwing a long bomb to Stormy, so to speak.

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I'll bet Stormy's backfield was in motion.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 17, 2018 03:10 PM (+y/Ru)

243 i do think intent is an important distinction .
For instance one drives into a home after losing control of his /her vehicle killing habitants.

One purposefully drives into a home to Kill inhabitants.

Posted by: willow at April 17, 2018 03:10 PM (eaoOY)

244 John Podhoretz: "But Gorsuch!"

And that is the trenchant Podhoretz, folks. You can't get insight like that anywhere. And in less than 128 characters? Wow.

I can't wait for his upcoming, historical tome, Pbbbt!

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at April 17, 2018 03:11 PM (H8S+R)

245 Posted by: Tom Servo at April 17, 2018 03:06 PM (k1TUh)

But the 'potential ' for violence is there regardless if the burglar believes the house is occupied or not. As you indicated, he could be unlucky and the house was occupied when he thought it wasn't . I can pull up dozens of cases where amurder resulted in such a scenario.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 17, 2018 03:11 PM (s9DTK)

246 225 213 I think Mariah Carey looks like a monkey.And I can't stand her screeching.
Posted by: steevy at April 17, 2018 03:07 PM (LiyEm)

Yeah, just because you CAN hit the note three octaves above C that doesn't mean you SHOULD hit the note three octaves above C.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at April 17, 2018 03:12 PM (RD7QR)

247 When thugs send a message, they do not use names. They let you figure out who you are screwing with. You always know and you stop.

Posted by: REDACTED at April 17, 2018 03:12 PM (Ymy4N)

248 Congress has given up more power than is theirs to give to both the Executive and Judicial branches in the last 20 years because they are lazy and ineffectual sloths."

Agreed - recently their have been discussions whether the President exceeded his war powers in the strike against Syria, but the reality is that Congress has spent a lot more than 20 years abdicating all of its responsibility in military affairs and handing them over to the Executive, primarily because they don't want to take responsibility for any hard decisions.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 17, 2018 03:12 PM (k1TUh)

249 He was just a peaceful immigrant trying to get ahead thru hard work and perseverance.

Posted by: Fritz at April 17, 2018 03:12 PM (2Mnv1)

250

Again subjective. A reasonable person may agree that illegally entering into a person's home to take their property could be potential for violence.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth

Not as an element of the offense. Considering that burglary does not require any damage to property to enter (much like breaking and entering requires some amount of force, even just opening an unlocked door), the element of "violence" is simply not part of the crime.

Now, do I think it's a good law that requires a crime of violence for deportation of a lawful resident alien? Eh, not sure. There are so many "felonies" that we would be deporting people who waited in line and got here legally (one assumes) for piss-ant stuff.

Posted by: imp at April 17, 2018 03:12 PM (F3cBw)

251 There are times and places to use the "by their rules" standard. This isn't one.

Posted by: George LeS at April 17, 2018 03:08 PM (/ki+X)

Then the only time or place in our future is one where those willing to play "by their rules" control everything.

High-Minded Principles like "Fairness for the Opposition" are a luxury. We are not at a Political Time and Place yet where we can afford them.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 17, 2018 03:12 PM (fiGNd)

252 The left needs activist judges because they are always working on ways to do end runs around the Congress and the President - but we have the power to vote in a Congress what will actually work for us! The answer to an ineffective and useless Congress isn't for us to try to come up with ways to get Judges to take over their jobs - the answer is to get a better Congress than we've got.

--

How would a better congress have prevented Obergfell? How could a better congress overturn it now that it's a thing?

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at April 17, 2018 03:12 PM (mk7Bj)

253 The guy is a legal permanent resident

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Who was temporarily residenting in someone else's house.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 17, 2018 03:13 PM (+y/Ru)

254 He was just a peaceful immigrant trying to get ahead thru hard work and perseverance.
...

Doing the second-story jobs Americans won't do.

Posted by: Tanner Boyle at April 17, 2018 03:13 PM (2wOtx)

255 Yeah John, my PudHurtz too.

Posted by: Guy who fucks couches at April 17, 2018 03:13 PM (NTM5E)

256 230
So.... a Felon Legal Alien?
...

Yep. Burglar.
Posted by: Tanner Boyle at April 17, 2018 03:08 PM (2wOtx)

andddd.. that's someone we want to keep around the US....

/facepalm

Posted by: Don Q. at April 17, 2018 03:14 PM (NgKpN)

257 I think Starbucks should have to sell all of their products ot people of color at 1/3 the price.
Posted by: Jesse Jackson

3/5

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And discontinue lattes and cappuccinos. Sell only black coffee.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 17, 2018 03:02 PM (+y/Ru)

Women get 24% off.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 17, 2018 03:03 PM (NWiLs)

Only white people should have to pay, to make up for our privilege. And we should have to pay double, so every other race, and especially illegals, do not have to pay.

People can volunteer to pay, and the sane people who believe in a sane society, and in not pitting people against each other, will. Those are my brothers and sisters, and fellow citizens.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 17, 2018 03:14 PM (XVgpK)

258 246 225 213 I think Mariah Carey looks like a monkey.And I can't stand her screeching.
Posted by: steevy at April 17, 2018 03:07 PM (LiyEm)

I agree, Anita Baker she ain't

Posted by: REDACTED at April 17, 2018 03:14 PM (Ymy4N)

259 Yes, I'm sure JPod would have gotten the True Conservative ruling from Chief Justice Terry McAuliffe.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 17, 2018 03:14 PM (oVJmc)

260 250. I dunno. Had a great uncle ot something who got deported for being a communist. It was the right decision - nobody has a RIGHT to immigrate here. It's a courtesy and a privilege, at best.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 17, 2018 03:14 PM (fA1SL)

261 Stormy was the center and Brady was a quarterback sneak.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 17, 2018 03:15 PM (+y/Ru)

262 240 The left needs activist judges because they are
always working on ways to do end runs around the Congress and the
President - but we have the power to vote in a Congress what will
actually work for us! The answer to an ineffective and useless Congress
isn't for us to try to come up with ways to get Judges to take over
their jobs - the answer is to get a better Congress than we've got.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 17, 2018 03:09 PM (k1TUh)

will never happen w/o an art V convention

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 17, 2018 03:15 PM (mpXpK)

263 wish i would get deported to my homeland. it's tahiti. or, peruvia. hell, i don't care, just ship me out!

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 17, 2018 03:15 PM (KP5rU)

264 So.... a Felon Legal Alien?
...

Yep. Burglar.
Posted by: Tanner Boyle at April 17, 2018 03:08 PM (2wOtx)

andddd.. that's someone we want to keep around the US....

/facepalm
Posted by: Don Q. at April 17, 2018 03:14 PM (NgKpN)

He'll vote Democrat. I think that is the litmus test now. Remember, Kaine wanted to give criminals the right to vote. A lot of Dems do.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 17, 2018 03:16 PM (XVgpK)

265 But the 'potential ' for violence is there regardless if the burglar believes the house is occupied or not. As you indicated, he could be unlucky and the house was occupied when he thought it wasn't . I can pull up dozens of cases where amurder resulted in such a scenario."

In terms of actual fact, I agree with you completely. In terms of legal definitions, as to whether that makes burglary a violent crime, in some states that is true, in most states it isn't. So instead of a solid definition it becomes a completely situational and relative one. (in this case the Federal law relies upon the underlying State law as to what constitutes a "violent crime")

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 17, 2018 03:16 PM (k1TUh)

266 263. 'Call us.' - Kekistani Peoples Republic, Ministry of Diaspora Affairs.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 17, 2018 03:16 PM (fA1SL)

267

But the 'potential ' for violence is there regardless if the burglar believes the house is occupied or not. As you indicated, he could be unlucky and the house was occupied when he thought it wasn't . I can pull up dozens of cases where amurder resulted in such a scenario.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth

But more to the point, the Court majority agreed with you. They thought that the law was unconstitutionally vague here, and could not be enforced to deport a lawful resident.

Posted by: imp at April 17, 2018 03:17 PM (F3cBw)

268 The answer to an ineffective and useless Congress isn't for us to try to come up with ways to get Judges to take over their jobs - the answer is to get a better Congress than we've got.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 17, 2018 03:09 PM (k1TUh)

Tom ...

... that line of thinking only works if we're in a clear majority. And even then, that line of thinking creates a window of opportunity to whittle that majority down via immigration.

You've got fine ideals ... they'll serve us well ... AFTER we win. But not now.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 17, 2018 03:17 PM (fiGNd)

269 You'll want Tahiti
Settle for Peruva
Get North Korea

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at April 17, 2018 03:17 PM (WM75E)

270 193: I'd like more restrictions on "permanent residents" generally. A woman my daughter met in business school, recently and sadly became a green card holder. She had been working here, essentially illegally, for years. She is a total open borders advocate, protests in favor of that bullshit, carries on to the point that she's no longer welcome in more than one home. She donates to all sort of illegal immigrant causes, and all of this is perfectly legal. I think aliens should be banned from all political activity and activism.

Posted by: CN at April 17, 2018 03:17 PM (5gaNQ)

271 He was just a peaceful immigrant trying to get ahead thru hard work and perseverance.
...

Doing the second-story jobs Americans won't do.
Posted by: Tanner Boyle at April 17, 2018 03:13 PM (2wOtx)
...
And he was oppressed. And was bullied. He was driven to it by privileged white people. He can't be held accountable.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 17, 2018 03:17 PM (XVgpK)

272 Tom Servo: "Congress isn't for us to try to come up with ways to get Judges to take over their jobs - the answer is to get a better Congress than we've got."

It'll never happen. Congress loves fluid and malleable law. It passes responsibility on to another branch. Same thing as with Congressional Commissions. They exist so that Congresscritters can absolve themselves of responsibility and yet campaign on "doing something."

The biggest flaw in our democracy is Congress, an entity that loves having its cake and eating it, too.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at April 17, 2018 03:17 PM (H8S+R)

273 264 He'll vote Democrat. I think that is the litmus
test now. Remember, Kaine wanted to give criminals the right to vote. A
lot of Dems do.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 17, 2018 03:16 PM (XVgpK)

they already have the "right to vote" in most States. In fact some States never take oit away from them and even allow them to vote while in prison.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 17, 2018 03:18 PM (mpXpK)

274 Mariah Cary, Beyonce, what's the difference. All they do is screech like the demons from hell.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 17, 2018 03:18 PM (KP5rU)

275 Our justice system at work!

Comedian Files Restraining Order Against Trump Over Fears He Will Start A Nuclear War

Maria Branford. (Who?) Trump has got to check with the comedians before he can start a nuclear war.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 17, 2018 03:19 PM (+y/Ru)

276 246 225 213 I think Mariah Carey looks like a monkey.And I can't stand her screeching.
Posted by: steevy at April 17, 2018 03:07 PM (LiyEm)

Yeah, just because you CAN hit the note three octaves above C that doesn't mean you SHOULD hit the note three octaves above C.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at April 17, 2018 03:12 PM (RD7QR)

Ouch! That hurt!

Posted by: The Note Three Octaves above C at April 17, 2018 03:19 PM (F65bY)

277 Yeah, just because you CAN hit the note three octaves above C that doesn't mean you SHOULD hit the note three octaves above C.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at April 17, 2018 03:12 PM (RD7QR)

As a defense mechanism, beats the hell out of pissing yourself.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 17, 2018 03:20 PM (fiGNd)

278 How would a better congress have prevented Obergfell? How could a better congress overturn it now that it's a thing?"

How did Congress overturn the Dred Scott decision? Seriously, that's your answer.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 17, 2018 03:21 PM (k1TUh)

279 I had a Maria Branford once.Took two specialists to clear that shit up. Worse than a Whoopie.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 17, 2018 03:21 PM (KP5rU)

280 Yeah, just because you CAN hit the note three octaves above C that doesn't mean you SHOULD hit the note three octaves above C.

Isn't the note three octaves above C a ... C?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 17, 2018 03:21 PM (8gDQu)

281 It's a fair ruling. I'd have wanted it to go the other way but I get it.

And BTW, Look liberal fools: It's called interpreting the constitution, without passion or prejudice. It's what those SC judges are supposed to do. It's the opposite of what the activist, partisan leftist posers on the court do.

If both sides are angry with you on alternate days, you're probably doing it right.

So good on Gorsuch.

Posted by: Agent Cooper at April 17, 2018 03:22 PM (oyCqX)

282 I hope Podhoretz is killed in his bed.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 17, 2018 03:22 PM (4ErVI)

283 274 Mariah Cary, Beyonce, what's the difference. All they do is screech like the demons from hell.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 17, 2018 03:18 PM (KP5rU)

In fairness, Mariah Carey, unlike Beyonce, has not done any leftist political shit I can recall.

And I *would* bang Mariah Carey like a barn door in a tornado too, as someone else above wrote.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 17, 2018 03:22 PM (ujg0T)

284 Isn't the note three octaves above C a ... C?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 17, 2018 03:21 PM (8gDQu)

Yeah ... but it sounds like a fag, and it's shits all retarded.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 17, 2018 03:22 PM (fiGNd)

285 274 Mariah Cary, Beyonce, what's the difference. All they do is screech like the demons from hell.
Posted by: chavez the hugo

No, you're wrong.

Mariah Carey screeches like a 1950s Soviet-era torture device design to rupture your eardrums until you confess your crimes against Stalin.

Beyonce howls like banshee out on the moors during a thunderstorm, the blood of a lost traveler dripping from her fangs.

Posted by: zombie at April 17, 2018 03:22 PM (42M22)

286 And they call the screech Mariah.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 17, 2018 03:22 PM (+y/Ru)

287 At any rate, if Congress wants to make burglary and other dangerous-yet-not-violent-per-se crimes deportable, it has the power to do so; but I can't say that Gorsuch cast an "unconservative" vote by, essentially, demanding that the State be specific about what the law is and not rely upon prosecutors' whims to decide what the law will be as regards this or that defendant.

Disagree. I invoke the principle that when the other side is behaving lawlessly, this changes what is acceptable behavior. If you're defending yourself you can punch someone in the face, even though normally you can't do that.

Given how often federal judges behave lawlessly (striking down voter id or anti-sanctuary laws, for example) and how the midterms are looming and we need to get these potential fraudsters out of here, he should have voted yes. Let this law have the broadest interpretation possible, and let SCOTUS announce that. If lower courts operate on precedent, then cases brought in light of this law could no longer be overturned.

In any case, let's say the law is tightened up and passed. A Hawaiian judge would *still* rule that it doesn't apply, even if the defendant clearly violated it. So by voting in favor Gorsuch would not have lost anything.

We just need to be fighting for any gains we can, because we are fighting against an animal, not against something that follows rules or ethics.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 17, 2018 03:22 PM (/qEW2)

288 It'll never happen. Congress loves fluid and malleable law. It passes responsibility on to another branch. Same thing as with Congressional Commissions. They exist so that Congresscritters can absolve themselves of responsibility and yet campaign on "doing something."

Someone needs to ask AtC about the doctrine of delegation. She loves to expound at length on said subject.

Bonus: We get to learn new and interesting four letter words.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at April 17, 2018 03:23 PM (O9qtX)

289 Gorsuch Votes With Liberals on Deportation Case

By the way, it's good form to always call them "Leftists", not "Liberals".

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 17, 2018 03:23 PM (8gDQu)

290 Well, congress should get right on this. Deportation should be the punishment for committing any crime that rises above jaywalking.

Posted by: wodun at April 17, 2018 03:23 PM (lFga6)

291 Can't tell if it's drizzling or snowing

Posted by: Votermom's phone now on Team Gloom Sub Duty at April 17, 2018 03:24 PM (btgTr)

292 zombie, i like the way you think!

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 17, 2018 03:24 PM (KP5rU)

293 280 Yeah, just because you CAN hit the note three octaves above C that doesn't mean you SHOULD hit the note three octaves above C.

Isn't the note three octaves above C a ... C?
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 17, 2018 03:21 PM (8gDQu)

FINE! Just BE ACCURATE if you must! [Flounce]

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at April 17, 2018 03:24 PM (RD7QR)

294 I love Mariah Carey's ridiculously oversized tits though.

I'd pay money to motorboat them.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 17, 2018 03:24 PM (4ErVI)

295 251 Then the only time or place in our future is one where those willing to play "by their rules" control everything.

High-Minded Principles like "Fairness for the Opposition" are a luxury. We are not at a Political Time and Place yet where we can afford them.
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 17, 2018 03:12 PM (fiGNd)

This, and nothing but this.

Blank or be Blanked.

Posted by: Hikaru at April 17, 2018 03:24 PM (WDCYi)

296 You guys know damn well that the narrative says this is a loss for Trump.

I don't care if the case was against California and began during the Obama administration.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at April 17, 2018 03:25 PM (xfb67)

297 It just defies logic to me that we had to have a SCOTUS ruling on burglary so a legal alien could stay in this fvcking country. Defies logic.

I understand the decision, but it is splitting hairs, and another indication of how soft this country is becoming on crime.

Just so many levels of wrong. But that is our whole fvcking country today.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 17, 2018 03:25 PM (XVgpK)

298 I prefer to look on the bright-side ...

... when we're all stuffed in the camps, our Internal Court of Conduct will be operated by the Most Stringest Interpretation of whatever rules we scribbled down on a scrap of paper whenever the guards weren't looking.

Who's kidding who ? I ain't going to the camps.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 17, 2018 03:25 PM (fiGNd)

299 Podhoretz is a worm, isn't he?

Posted by: kraken at April 17, 2018 03:26 PM (zSVEm)

300 291 Can't tell if it's drizzling or snowing
Posted by: Votermom's phone now on Team Gloom Sub Duty at April 17, 2018 03:24 PM (btgTr)

Snizzling

Drowing

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at April 17, 2018 03:26 PM (RD7QR)

301 Mariah Carey screeches like a 1950s Soviet-era torture device design to rupture your eardrums until you confess your crimes against Stalin.

Beyonce howls like banshee out on the moors during a thunderstorm, the blood of a lost traveler dripping from her fangs.

Posted by: zombie at April 17, 2018 03:22 PM (42M22)
...........

Maybe they should get together with Springsteen and show Yoko how it's done.

Posted by: wth at April 17, 2018 03:26 PM (HgMAr)

302 How did Congress overturn the Dred Scott decision? Seriously, that's your answer.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 17, 2018 03:21 PM (k1TUh)

A constitutuonal amendment and a civil war?

That's a little bit beyond congress.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at April 17, 2018 03:27 PM (mk7Bj)

303 Meanwhile, an Iranian helicopter mysteriously crashed into the Persian Gulf today.

The parody Mossad account on Twitter said they were testing their new Bermuda Triangle machine, which I'm sure some Arab news outlet will repeat without noting it's a parody.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 17, 2018 03:27 PM (3J/LN)

304 And this " loss" for Trump... seriously?... we aren't the Hysterical Left, are we?

Posted by: kraken at April 17, 2018 03:27 PM (zSVEm)

305 299 Podhoretz is a worm, isn't he?
Posted by: kraken at April 17, 2018 03:26 PM (zSVEm)

Worms are useful.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at April 17, 2018 03:27 PM (RD7QR)

306 Posted by: Under Fire at April 17, 2018 03:08 PM (r9UYA)
++++++
I support you on this endeavour holeheartedly

Posted by: DeploraBOT at April 17, 2018 03:28 PM (y3aQB)

307 A constitutuonal amendment and a civil war?

That's a little bit beyond congress.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at April 17, 2018 03:27 PM (mk7Bj)

If we survive the civil war ... you can go ahead and write me down as an Anti-Federalist.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 17, 2018 03:28 PM (fiGNd)

308 298: me either. on the other hand, if mueller is running the camp, we could exscape at will. brain dead twat waffle.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 17, 2018 03:28 PM (KP5rU)

309 Meanwhile, an Iranian helicopter mysteriously crashed into the Persian Gulf today.

The parody Mossad account on Twitter said they were testing their new Bermuda Triangle machine, which I'm sure some Arab news outlet will repeat without noting it's a parody.
Posted by: Ian S.

Joo chameleons.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 17, 2018 03:28 PM (tu/2g)

310 When I woke up today, the sun was out. It was jarring bcz I have not seen in for so long. Yes, it has been that long. Every day has been snow, rain or both.

Still cold though.

Thanks goodness for coffee.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 17, 2018 03:28 PM (XVgpK)

311 You want to hear three octaves above C ??

Posted by: SHEP at April 17, 2018 03:28 PM (Ymy4N)

312

299 Podhoretz is a worm, isn't he?

Posted by: kraken

A type of worm. A fluke. A bladder fluke.

Posted by: imp at April 17, 2018 03:28 PM (F3cBw)

313 I support this decision.

Posted by: George Soros at April 17, 2018 03:28 PM (r9UYA)

314 It's decided it's snowing

Posted by: Votermom's phone now on Team Gloom Sub Duty at April 17, 2018 03:29 PM (btgTr)

315 Not going to camps.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at April 17, 2018 03:29 PM (djc4i)

316
The parody Mossad account on Twitter said they
were testing their new Bermuda Triangle machine, which I'm sure some
Arab news outlet will repeat without noting it's a parody.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 17, 2018 03:27 PM (3J/LN)

Hell, half of the MFM here in the US will probably report it...

Posted by: Guy who fucks couches at April 17, 2018 03:29 PM (NTM5E)

317 I love Mariah Carey's ridiculously oversized tits though.

I'd pay money to motorboat them.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 17, 2018 03:24 PM (4ErVI)
............

Are siren noises extra?

Posted by: wth at April 17, 2018 03:29 PM (HgMAr)

318 314 It's decided it's snowing
Posted by: Votermom's phone now on Team Gloom Sub Duty at April 17, 2018 03:29 PM (btgTr)

No way, the Science has been Settled...

Posted by: kraken at April 17, 2018 03:30 PM (zSVEm)

319 Violent crime by juveniles up sharply since Broward County adopted PROMISE program

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Boy, it's almost like if you subsidize something you get more of it. Broward County's PROMISE program (which stands for Preventing Recidivism through Opportunities, Mentoring, Interventions, Supports and Education) coincides with higher levels of violent crime among juveniles

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 17, 2018 03:30 PM (+y/Ru)

320 Are siren noises extra?
Posted by: wth at April 17, 2018 03:29 PM (HgMAr)

Siren yes, honking no.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at April 17, 2018 03:30 PM (mk7Bj)

321 I won't survive a civil war. Heck, as soon as my coffee, cream and butter were taken away I'd have no fight left in me.

Should pare down Ace commenters quite a bit.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 17, 2018 03:30 PM (XVgpK)

322 You want to hear three octaves above C

Korean gospel singer So Hyang can reliably hit strong, clear, pitch-accurate C6es. There's a YouTube of her doing a song where she octave-jumps Bb4 to Bb5 that's extremely impressive.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 17, 2018 03:30 PM (3J/LN)

323
Joo chameleons.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 17, 2018 03:28 PM

I'm picturing the GEICO geko with a Jackie Mason accent.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 17, 2018 03:30 PM (IqV8l)

324 Can we have a law to deport NeverTrumpers and leftists (BIRM)?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at April 17, 2018 03:31 PM (AM1GF)

325 The reason I argue strenuously in favor of fighting to get a Congress that will take back it's power, rather than on finding judicial workarounds to manufacture a "win", is that I know from looking at the past that systems, once given up, are never regained. Once we finally and completely give up on our Congress (and the left never believed in it anyways, they have always wanted a totalitarian executive) then we will have accepted our long descent into a neo-Imperial system of government. We're not that far from it as it is, and it won't be hard for us to make the transition all the way over the next couple of generations. It may be a lost cause, but it's a fight I'm determined to keep fighting as long as I can.

Remember that a rump Roman Senate continued to exist for over 400 years after it had lost any kind of real power. I don't want that in our future.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 17, 2018 03:31 PM (k1TUh)

326 Violent crime by juveniles up sharply since Broward County adopted PROMISE program

NO WAY!!! Next you're going to tell me that if you don't arrest and prosecute crimes you'll get more of them...Unpossible

Posted by: Timon at April 17, 2018 03:31 PM (NTM5E)

327 No butter.... the Horror!!!

Posted by: kraken at April 17, 2018 03:31 PM (zSVEm)

328 Not going to camps.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at April 17, 2018 03:29 PM (djc4i)

Now here's the thing.

If you and I avoid the camps ... but other Concerned Republicans Who Value Law and Order enter the camps ?

Should we try to get them out ? Would they leave if we did ?

I mean ... if The Law of the Land says You Dirty Republicans Must Enter the Camps ... who are you and I to thwart legal will ?

I wonder what Gorsuch would say ? Assuming he's not in the camps.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 17, 2018 03:32 PM (fiGNd)

329 I won't survive a civil war. Heck, as soon as my coffee, cream and butter were taken away I'd have no fight left in me.

Should pare down Ace commenters quite a bit.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel

Yeah, nothing quells interest in the romance of revolution quite like an honest understanding of how you'd fare. (I've said in the past, when TSHTF I expect to wind up in a shallow, unmarked grave...at best.)

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at April 17, 2018 03:32 PM (AM1GF)

330 But more to the point, the Court majority agreed with you. They thought that the law was unconstitutionally vague here, and could not be enforced to deport a lawful resident.
Posted by: imp at April 17, 2018 03:17 PM (F3cBw)

No they didn't agree with me because I find nothing vague about it.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 17, 2018 03:32 PM (s9DTK)

331 Podhoretz would make a dandy Camp kapo....

Posted by: kraken at April 17, 2018 03:33 PM (zSVEm)

332

Posted by: Skandia Recluse and the Church of the Perputally Peeved. at April 17, 2018 03:33 PM (roQNm)

333 328 Should we try to get them out ? Would they leave if we did ?

-------------

Did they break into the camps violently?

Posted by: Hikaru at April 17, 2018 03:33 PM (WDCYi)

334 Boy, it's almost like if you subsidize something you get more of it. Broward County's PROMISE program (which stands for Preventing Recidivism through Opportunities, Mentoring, Interventions, Supports and Education) coincides with higher levels of violent crime among juveniles
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 17, 2018 03:30 PM (+y/Ru)

Such BS. Keeping kids like this in class, only lowers the bar for the kids who want to learn. These delinquents pull down the whole class and thus our future citizenry. Another win for Obama & Holder and their Marxism push.

Sickening. Revolting.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 17, 2018 03:33 PM (XVgpK)

335 Remember that a rump Roman Senate continued to exist for over 400 years after it had lost any kind of real power. I don't want that in our future.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 17, 2018 03:31 PM (k1TUh)

I would have killed for that future.

Posted by: Middle Ages Serf at April 17, 2018 03:33 PM (fiGNd)

336 Siren yes, honking no.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at April 17, 2018 03:30 PM (mk7Bj)
...........

I'd like to play Come In Tokyo with those things while she made radio static noises.

Posted by: wth at April 17, 2018 03:34 PM (HgMAr)

337
A constitutuonal amendment and a civil war?

That's a little bit beyond congress."

Congress, and a President willing to make it happen. That's what it took.

some things cant be settled peacefully.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 17, 2018 03:35 PM (k1TUh)

338 297
It just defies logic to me that we had to have a SCOTUS ruling on
burglary so a legal alien could stay in this fvcking country. Defies
logic.

I understand the decision, but it is splitting hairs, and another indication of how soft this country is becoming on crime.

Just so many levels of wrong. But that is our whole fvcking country today.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 17, 2018 03:25 PM (XVgpK)

It is splitting hairs, but if I understand the ruling correctly (and I may not) it's actually still a good call. You have to be careful how much discretion you give the government in general and police in particular. I'm not much of a libertarian - I want to see strong, effective law enforcement - but you have to make sure everybody plays by the rules.

Posted by: Agent Cooper at April 17, 2018 03:35 PM (oyCqX)

339 And it's snowing. In Philadelphia. In April.

Posted by: josephistan at April 17, 2018 03:35 PM (7HtZB)

340 People should know by now that absolutely nothing good happens in the camps. If I am not dead and have the advantage to free people from the camps, I will.

Bottom Line: Do not go to the fucking camps.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at April 17, 2018 03:35 PM (djc4i)

341 If Gorsuch is able to slowly get the Court to move to his side on this (i.e. vague laws being unconstitutional), then this could be a good vote. But ask Thomas how slowly the Court ship turns ... it often doesn't.

Posted by: SH at April 17, 2018 03:36 PM (sX1BW)

342 Broward County's PROMISE program (which stands for ...

Although mainly a small state libertarian, I would support a dictatorial fiat against this kind of acronym.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 17, 2018 03:36 PM (fuK7c)

343 indication of how soft this country is becoming on crime.

====

It really depends on who is committing the crime.

Posted by: Bicentennialguy at April 17, 2018 03:37 PM (zcSYk)

344 in seriousness i had always thought any burglary was a felony.
Because of the mere possibility someone would exist and try to defend their property or lives.
Or worse, the intent of the burglar to harm inhabitants.

there are so many places to steal from closed stores etc.

so the softest target isn't considered a more dangerous to inhabitants , sleep -showering, walking in after a long day, children etc..

Posted by: willow at April 17, 2018 03:37 PM (eaoOY)

345 Remember that Jewish kapos put their own people into the camps. Plenty of the GOPe will gladly help to put you in a camp to stave off their own extermination even for one more day of life.

Posted by: Archer at April 17, 2018 03:37 PM (4kKuc)

346 I'm not much of a libertarian - I want to see strong, effective law enforcement - but you have to make sure everybody plays by the rules.

Posted by: Agent Cooper at April 17, 2018 03:35 PM (oyCqX)

Sounds great ... except this ruling didn't do one thing to make Progressive Cities and Police play by the rules.

It did, however, make Conservative Cities and Police play by the rules of not deporting a non-citizen burglar.

So ... yay ? This doesn't feel like yay. And I'm not exactly Pro-Law Enforcement.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 17, 2018 03:37 PM (fiGNd)

347 "Yeah, nothing quells interest in the romance of revolution quite like an honest understanding of how you'd fare. (I've said in the past, when TSHTF I expect to wind up in a shallow, unmarked grave...at best.)"

I plan on wearing a mask much like Lord Humongous. Or maybe Immortan Joe.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 17, 2018 03:37 PM (k1TUh)

348 If you never actually punish them, then you have prevented recidivism.

Gotcha bitches!

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at April 17, 2018 03:37 PM (xfb67)

349 The way most (many? enough?) interpret this is, robbery is violent, burglary is not.

Posted by: Bobby Ahr at April 17, 2018 03:38 PM (zmZ2x)

350 Bottom Line: Do not go to the fucking camps.
...

Dibs on your s'mores.

Posted by: Tanner Boyle at April 17, 2018 03:38 PM (2wOtx)

351 The 4 liberals disagreed with the law because they agree with Democrats, no deportation of likely Democrat voters. They always vote lock-step for leftism. I sure would like to know why Ginscommie is still breathing my air.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 17, 2018 03:38 PM (mpXpK)

352 "Vague laws invite arbitrary power" - Gorsuch.

Yes they do, start applying this to all administrative law.

Posted by: SH at April 17, 2018 03:39 PM (sX1BW)

353 Mysterious Gatherings of Nearly 1,400 Sharks Spotted Off Northeast Coast
www.weather.com

Blood in the water.

Posted by: Under Fire at April 17, 2018 03:39 PM (r9UYA)

354 don't know why cmps were brought up, but i admit to having the sweats when i think of these leftists getting power again.

I worried like mad with Hillary, but now i think they are All in causing as much damage to anyone Not 'with them' including the highest in law enforcement.

Posted by: willow at April 17, 2018 03:39 PM (eaoOY)

355 This decision reminds me of when John Roberts said ObamaCare was a tax. Yes, he was technically correct. And conservatives like Krauthammer said it was a masterstroke and somehow set the stage for all sorts of conservative rulings. Bullshit

But Roberts successfully splitting this hair on Obamacare will probably lead to Single Payer healthcare in this country, but as conservatives are waiting to get their death panel ruling, we can give Roberts a big thumbs up for throwing Obama a life preserver and saving the Constitution.

Posted by: Maritime at April 17, 2018 03:39 PM (lKmt3)

356 Yeah, nothing quells interest in the romance of revolution quite like an honest understanding of how you'd fare. (I've said in the past, when TSHTF I expect to wind up in a shallow, unmarked grave...at best.)
Posted by: Brother Cavil

Pile of empty brass.
But I won't make the trip to hell alone.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 17, 2018 03:39 PM (tu/2g)

357 According to Rubin, if the republicans want to win over millenials, they have to become leftists. Got it.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 17, 2018 03:40 PM (ITWqM)

358 Mysterious Gatherings of Nearly 1,400 Sharks Spotted Off Northeast Coast
=====

Obviously due to climate change.

Posted by: Bicentennialguy at April 17, 2018 03:40 PM (zcSYk)

359 This decision reminds me of when John Roberts said ObamaCare was a tax
..

Oh FFS.

Posted by: Tanner Boyle at April 17, 2018 03:40 PM (2wOtx)

360 I'm not much of a libertarian - I want to see strong, effective law enforcement - but you have to make sure everybody plays by the rules.
Posted by: Agent Cooper at April 17, 2018 03:35 PM (oyCqX)

Oh, we still have rules? Rules only seem to be for some of us. Not for Bankers. Not for Illegals. Not for mobs. Not for Muslims. And the beat goes on...

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 17, 2018 03:40 PM (XVgpK)

361

352 "Vague laws invite arbitrary power" - Gorsuch.

Yes they do, start applying this to all administrative law.

Posted by: SH

That, in theory, is what Gorsuch is trying to accomplish.

Posted by: imp at April 17, 2018 03:40 PM (so3+7)

362 I plan on wearing a mask much like Lord Humongous. Or maybe Immortan Joe.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 17, 2018 03:37 PM (k1TUh)

If you're not going Tactical Face Colander ... you're doing it wrong.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 17, 2018 03:40 PM (fiGNd)

363 Mysterious Gatherings of Nearly 1,400 Sharks Spotted Off Northeast Coast
www.weather.com

Blood in the water.
Posted by: Under Fire

Shark Poon Week.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 17, 2018 03:40 PM (tu/2g)

364 252 Yes they do, start applying this to all administrative law.

Posted by: SH at April 17, 2018 03:39 PM (sX1BW)

as a matter of fact in their dissent the opponents of the ruling said that very thing.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 17, 2018 03:40 PM (mpXpK)

365 You can have my Smores. And my window seat on the train.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at April 17, 2018 03:40 PM (djc4i)

366 347. They had style, didn't they? But edge to Joe - shiny and chrome.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 17, 2018 03:40 PM (fA1SL)

367 353 Mysterious Gatherings of Nearly 1,400 Sharks Spotted Off Northeast Coast
www.weather.com

Blood in the water.
Posted by: Under Fire at April 17, 2018 03:39 PM (r9UYA)

[Checks cellphone] Oh, right on time. We'll fire up the helicopters now.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at April 17, 2018 03:41 PM (RD7QR)

368 Mysterious Gatherings of Nearly 1,400 Sharks Spotted Off Northeast Coast

Getting fitted for frickin lasers.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 17, 2018 03:41 PM (oVJmc)

369 Mysterious Gatherings of Nearly 1,400 Sharks Spotted Off Northeast Coast
...

They're HEADED FOR THE GRAND CANYON!!

Posted by: Gilbert Gottfried at April 17, 2018 03:41 PM (2wOtx)

370 Rich Zeoli describes his vote that it would be the same as Scalia's would be, the law was vague and it wasn't his job to sort it out or define it better.

Posted by: Skip at April 17, 2018 03:42 PM (aC6Sd)

371 Mysterious Gatherings of Nearly 1,400 Sharks Spotted Off Northeast Coast
www.weather.com

Blood in the water.
Posted by: Under Fire at April 17, 2018 03:39 PM (r9UYA)

Well, it is obviously a result of climate change and its immorality.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 17, 2018 03:42 PM (XVgpK)

372 Mysterious Gatherings of Nearly 1,400 Sharks Spotted Off Northeast Coast

Basking sharks. They're filter feeders, sort of the vegans of the shark world.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 17, 2018 03:42 PM (fuK7c)

373 362. Thermos codpiece, or gtfo

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 17, 2018 03:42 PM (fA1SL)

374 Bottom Line: Do not go to the fucking camps.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at April 17, 2018 03:35 PM (djc4i)
............

Don't even get on the train.
Maybe that's why Biden and Moonbeam are so into trains, once you get on the train you're done for.

Posted by: wth at April 17, 2018 03:44 PM (HgMAr)

375 "Vague laws invite arbitrary power" - Gorsuch

That is absolutely true. But this law was not vague and the arbitrary power that is most often exercised is in the courts. Just ask your fellow justice, the wise, empathetic latina - 'policy is made in the appellate courts'.

When courts are out of control, it's impossible to write clear law.

But, again, none of that applies in this case. The law no more vague than anything written in human language would be.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 17, 2018 03:44 PM (8gDQu)

376 372; so, pussy sharks.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 17, 2018 03:44 PM (KP5rU)

377 I think Every Citizen High or Low should have to comply with EVERY law written . if 'some didn't get a pass' (looking at congress insider trading etc)

The laws would be researched, clarity and rareness 3000 page laws , might be tossed out just for a moment of rare wisdom.

judges and peon alike.

Posted by: willow at April 17, 2018 03:44 PM (eaoOY)

378 Zeoli also adds that Robert's grave marker should say
Without me you wouldn't have Obamacare

Posted by: Skip at April 17, 2018 03:45 PM (aC6Sd)

379 This ruling is no where near as consequential as Obamacare, nor as damaging. The downside Gorsuch voted with the liberals. The upside - I'm sure his vote has a sense of reason behind it (whether you agree or not). The up up up side, Gorsuch leads the way striking down vague administrative laws.

Posted by: SH at April 17, 2018 03:45 PM (sX1BW)

380 Mysterious Gatherings of Nearly 1,400 Sharks Spotted Off Northeast Coast

If they gather down in the Caribbean during hurricane season, look out!

Posted by: rickl at April 17, 2018 03:46 PM (xjiRE)

381 Mysterious Gatherings of Nearly 1,400 Sharks Spotted Off Northeast Coast
..........

Now all we need is a tornado.

Posted by: wth at April 17, 2018 03:46 PM (HgMAr)

382 Well, since we've gone over 300 posts, and I don't feel like reading any more shouting on this topic, here's a reminder:

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Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 17, 2018 03:46 PM (tpDAe)

383 Rich Zeoli describes his vote that it would be the same as Scalia's would be, the law was vague and it wasn't his job to sort it out or define it better.
Posted by: Skip at April 17, 2018 03:42 PM (aC6Sd)

The other four justices disagreed with that. The twice convicted home burglar wins.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 17, 2018 03:47 PM (s9DTK)

384 382-Meant-submit them by 8:00 p.m. EST tonight

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 17, 2018 03:47 PM (tpDAe)

385 Yeah ... Roberts fucked us on ObamaCare. But damn it ... the man had PRINCIPLES !!! Important principles.

Its not lost on me that, more often than not, supporting Republicans at the ballot box results in me getting fucked because of Sacred Republican Principles.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 17, 2018 03:48 PM (fiGNd)

386 A lot of what the SC does, in my own non legally minded view, is so nuanced and finely sifted that for a plebe like me sees their actions as missing the big picture on so many matters...

Posted by: kraken at April 17, 2018 03:48 PM (zSVEm)

387 Sharky justice. Justice sharks. Need a new thread.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at April 17, 2018 03:49 PM (RD7QR)

388 335---I would have killed for that future.
Posted by: Middle Ages Serf at April 17, 2018 03:33 PM (fiGNd)
-------------------
No, you wouldn't.
Better to be a serf in Western Europe than a chattel slave or pauper in the late Empire.
And, believe it or not, you had all sorts of protections derived from custom and law.
There were even a few legal ways you could escape.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 17, 2018 03:49 PM (0jtPF)

389 Meet the new thread, same as the old thread...

Posted by: kraken at April 17, 2018 03:50 PM (zSVEm)

390
Hotair.com
"Violet Crimes by Juveniles up sharply since Broward County adopted the PROMISE program."

National Review
"Dicks destroy unsold AR-15 type rifles."

TownHall
"Trump a prisoner of the War! Party."

Posted by: Skandia Recluse Sings Gospel Tunes at April 17, 2018 03:50 PM (roQNm)

391 387 Sharky justice. Justice sharks. Need a new thread.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at April 17, 2018 03:49 PM (RD7QR)

Presided over by gavelhead sharks.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 17, 2018 03:50 PM (NWiLs)

392 Mariah Carey had the worst New Year's Eve performance I've ever seen a few years ago ...
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at April 17, 2018 03:08 PM (mk7Bj)

LOL! I had forgotten that! That was so awful. I think she was on something.

Posted by: hobbitopoly at April 17, 2018 03:51 PM (MX7xj)

393 391 387 Sharky justice. Justice sharks. Need a new thread.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at April 17, 2018 03:49 PM (RD7QR)

Presided over by gavelhead sharks.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 17, 2018 03:50 PM (NWiLs)

"Leesen, Meester!"

- - Laser Equipped Mossad Joo Shark

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 17, 2018 03:52 PM (fTKv+)

394 STOP THE HAMMERHEADS

Posted by: Lawrence O'Donnell at April 17, 2018 03:52 PM (HgMAr)

395 Mysterious Gatherings of Nearly 1,400 Sharks Spotted Off Northeast Coast
---------------------------
Please tell me they aren't wearing pussy hats.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 17, 2018 03:52 PM (0jtPF)

396 It could be worse.... the Maunder Minimum could already be here...

Posted by: kraken at April 17, 2018 03:52 PM (zSVEm)

397 The Justice Department's Board of Immigration Appeals agreed with the
Obama administration's conclusion that Dimaya should be deported, as one
of the convictions constituted an "aggravated felony" and therefore
made him subject to mandatory deportation.
...

The Obama Justice Department, Obama's DHS and Obama's administration agreed.

Well, if that isn't an endorsement ...

Posted by: Tanner Boyle at April 17, 2018 03:52 PM (2wOtx)

398 392 Mariah Carey had the worst New Year's Eve performance I've ever seen a few years ago ...
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at April 17, 2018 03:08 PM (mk7Bj)

LOL! I had forgotten that! That was so awful. I think she was on something.
Posted by: hobbitopoly at April 17, 2018 03:51 PM (MX7xj)

I'm convinced she was stoned out of her gourd.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at April 17, 2018 03:52 PM (RD7QR)

399 Better to be a serf in Western Europe than a chattel slave or pauper in the late Empire.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 17, 2018 03:49 PM (0jtPF)

The Old Ways are The Best Ways. As always.

Posted by: The National Review Staff at April 17, 2018 03:53 PM (fiGNd)

400 Sharks gather for spring break beer and sex orgy.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Repent, the end is near at April 17, 2018 03:53 PM (roQNm)

401 The twice convicted home burglar wins.

And legal alien.

I suppose he won't do jail time, or go to prison. Probably planning his next burglary as we speak.
Let's have a parade for him.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 17, 2018 03:53 PM (XVgpK)

402 LOL! I had forgotten that! That was so awful. I think she was on something.

It's as hilarious today as it was then.
https://youtu.be/O4ResuAjG8k

Posted by: bonhomme at April 17, 2018 03:53 PM (iv0p7)

403 392 Mariah Carey had the worst New Year's Eve performance I've ever seen a few years ago ...
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at April 17, 2018 03:08 PM (mk7Bj)

LOL! I had forgotten that! That was so awful. I think she was on something.
Posted by: hobbitopoly at April 17, 2018 03:51 PM (MX7xj)

I'm convinced she was stoned out of her gourd.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at April 17, 2018 03:52 PM (RD7QR)
...........

mmmmm sexy.

Posted by: Bill Cosby at April 17, 2018 03:54 PM (HgMAr)

404 396 It could be worse.... the Maunder Minimum could already be here...
Posted by: kraken at April 17, 2018 03:52 PM (zSVEm)

It's been veeeeeery quiet on the sun. Not quite Maunder minimum quiet, but verrrrrrry quiet.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at April 17, 2018 03:54 PM (RD7QR)

405 The twice convicted home burglar wins.

And legal alien.

I suppose he won't do jail time, or go to prison. Probably planning his next burglary as we speak.
Let's have a parade for him.
=======

Let's provide him with those "Maps to the Stars' Homes" they hand out in LA.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 17, 2018 03:54 PM (vg8iE)

406 395 Mysterious Gatherings of Nearly 1,400 Sharks Spotted Off Northeast Coast
---------------------------

Hope they don't have a tornado any time soon.

Posted by: WisRich at April 17, 2018 03:54 PM (G0vdT)

407 The Old Ways are The Best Ways. As always.

Oh?

Posted by: Guy Trying to Make Fire with a Stick and a Rock at April 17, 2018 03:55 PM (fuK7c)

408 396
It could be worse.... the Maunder Minimum could already be here...

Posted by: kraken at April 17, 2018 03:52 PM (zSVEm)

It has already started around 1998. Hell it was 28.5F here this morning.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 17, 2018 03:55 PM (mpXpK)

409 Good Grief ... when you're too much of a criminal for Obama even ...

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 17, 2018 03:55 PM (fiGNd)

410 What are the rules for other countries? Can't you basically be deported for just about any crime? Hell isn't it almost impossible to go into Canada if you have a DUI on your record?

Posted by: buzzion at April 17, 2018 03:55 PM (lKs2v)

411
Posted by: Guy Trying to Make Fire with a Stick and a Rock at April 17, 2018 03:55 PM (fuK7c)
Try two sticks, genius.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 17, 2018 03:56 PM (oVJmc)

412 The thing about Roberts' ruling on Obamacare was that it was NOT reasoned at all. It was a mess and, as many noted, it was as if he had written the opposite view and then hastily tried to turn it around, like a kid 'correcting' a term paper.
His decision was purely political.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 17, 2018 03:56 PM (0jtPF)

413 The Old Ways are The Best Ways. As always.

Oh?
Posted by: Guy Trying to Make Fire with a Stick and a Rock at April 17, 2018 03:55 PM (fuK7c)

Try harder. This mammoth steak won't cook itself.

Posted by: The National Review Staff, BC at April 17, 2018 03:57 PM (fiGNd)

414 Maria and her funbags got a do-over the next New Years Eve.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at April 17, 2018 03:57 PM (djc4i)

415 The up up up side, Gorsuch leads the way striking down vague administrative laws.
Posted by: SH

_________

Funny how the first blow is something that conservatives care about regarding law, order and immigration.

Let me know when the thousands of pages of EPA nonsense get thrown out.

Posted by: Maritime at April 17, 2018 03:57 PM (lKmt3)

416 "Mysterious Gatherings of Nearly 1,400 Sharks Spotted Off Northeast Coast"

Waiting for the socialists from the heavens (which, like turkeys, cannot fly)

Posted by: Ripley at April 17, 2018 03:57 PM (MxEKc)

417 Real easy.
Tomorrow, on the House and Senate agendas:
Adjust language on poorly worded bill to reflect their original intent.
VOTE
Big Guy signs.
It's fixed.
Gorsuch is right, much as you may hate it.

Posted by: MarkY at April 17, 2018 03:57 PM (i022r)

418 398 392 Mariah Carey had the worst New Year's Eve performance I've ever seen a few years ago ...
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at April 17, 2018 03:08 PM (mk7Bj)

LOL! I had forgotten that! That was so awful. I think she was on something.
Posted by: hobbitopoly at April 17, 2018 03:51 PM (MX7xj)

I'm convinced she was stoned out of her gourd.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at April 17, 2018 03:52 PM (RD7QR)

Wouldn't be surprised. Didn't she have a couple other bizarre appearances? I seem to have some memory of her showing up on Total Request Live on MTV when that was still a thing and she was very loopy.

Posted by: buzzion at April 17, 2018 03:57 PM (lKs2v)

419 Replace shark with lawyer and it makes more sense.

Posted by: Under Fire at April 17, 2018 03:57 PM (r9UYA)

420 Persnickety. Me likes!

Posted by: Chthillary, Dead but Dreaming at April 17, 2018 03:57 PM (0YL2w)

421 Try two sticks, genius.

I said *trying*, princess. Now, maple nor oak worked. Maybe pine. Or should I change rocks?

Posted by: Guy Trying to Make Fire with a Stick and a Rock at April 17, 2018 03:57 PM (fuK7c)

422 Mysterious Gatherings of Nearly 1,400 Sharks Spotted Off Northeast Coast

Is a loud mouthed, attention hound porn star leading them hoping that Donald Trump will watch their new series?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 17, 2018 03:58 PM (tpDAe)

423 Let's provide him with those "Maps to the Stars' Homes" they hand out in LA.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 17, 2018 03:54 PM (vg8iE)

Ooh! Chad Everett's house! Score! *fist pump*

Posted by: Mr. Carlson at April 17, 2018 03:58 PM (xPJvm)

424 Yup I remembered correctly.

https://youtu.be/2KFRdWch9gw

Apparently she got diagnosed as bipolar after this.

Posted by: buzzion at April 17, 2018 03:59 PM (lKs2v)

425 I suppose he won't do jail time, or go to prison
...

James Garcia Dimayawas charged with residential burglary under California law and served more than five years in prison.

Posted by: Tanner Boyle at April 17, 2018 03:59 PM (2wOtx)

426 Sock mishap. Interesting one, tho.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at April 17, 2018 03:59 PM (xPJvm)

427 The Justice Department's Board of Immigration Appeals agreed with the
Obama administration's conclusion that Dimaya should be deported, as one
of the convictions constituted an "aggravated felony" and therefore
made him subject to mandatory deportation.
...

The Obama Justice Department, Obama's DHS and Obama's administration agreed.

Well, if that isn't an endorsement ...
Posted by: Tanner Boyle at April 17, 2018 03:52 PM (2wOtx)

I'm half-informed today. Is this the same guy SCOTUS just said could stay?

So Open Borders Obama Govt. said he should go, but SCOTUS said he can stay.

Well, that is through the Looking Glass. And now I am disgusted.

What will happen when this doofus murders someone on his next burglary. Oh well, that's the breaks. Of course, we will never know. The press will bury it. A dead innocent person just so a burglar has his rights.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 17, 2018 03:59 PM (XVgpK)

428 We really don't care how you make the fire. But be snappy about it.

Now - back to this strongly worded cave painting about open tribes, as well as our latest solicitation for the Meet the Review Staff Hunting Party.

Posted by: The National Review Staff, BC at April 17, 2018 03:59 PM (fiGNd)

429 *Opens door*

Well, I'm sure this thread either vindicated those on the last thread, or is more proof that some of youse don't know what the hell you're on about.

One or the other.

*Closes door*

Posted by: OneEyedJack at April 17, 2018 04:00 PM (z79tQ)

430 James Garcia Dimayawas charged with residential burglary under California law and served more than five years in prison.
Posted by: Tanner Boyle at April 17, 2018 03:59 PM (2wOtx)

Good.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 17, 2018 04:00 PM (XVgpK)

431 Posted by: Guy Trying to Make Fire with a Stick and a Rock at April 17, 2018 03:57 PM (fuK7c)
............

Being Naked and Afraid might help.

Posted by: wth at April 17, 2018 04:00 PM (HgMAr)

432 Real easy.
Tomorrow, on the House and Senate agendas:
Adjust language on poorly worded bill to reflect their original intent.
VOTE
Big Guy signs.
It's fixed.

Right ... that has no chance of being filibustered. I even have doubts that it could make it out of the House in less than a year.

Gorsuch is right, much as you may hate it.

Posted by: MarkY at April 17, 2018 03:57 PM (i022r)

No, in this case he was incorrect and wrong.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 17, 2018 04:00 PM (8gDQu)

433 OT but apparently the woman who was partially sucked out the window on the Southwest flight has died. Tragic for her family for sure. But they also said it's the first fatality for a US airliner since 2009. Which is amazing if you think about it. Again, tragic for sure but I just thought it was an interesting stat.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 17, 2018 04:01 PM (CiRJp)

434 I don't like the phrase "by their rules", since it seems to imply some equivalence between us and the left. People shouldn't have qualms caused by that phrase. Because they are not following any rule.

We are the ones following a rule. What is happening is not that we need to behave "by their rules". It's that when we encounter creatures who do not behave by the rule of law, we need to beat them back. But this too is according to the rule of law, it's just from a different section than we usually follow, when we are not fighting against the lawless who are posing as lawgivers. But it is never "by their rules".

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 17, 2018 04:01 PM (/qEW2)

435 Wouldn't be surprised. Didn't she have a couple other bizarre appearances? I seem to have some memory of her showing up on Total Request Live on MTV when that was still a thing and she was very loopy.
Posted by: buzzion at April 17, 2018 03:57 PM (lKs2v)

You know, maybe she's just not as talented as we've been told...naahhh, that can't be it...

Posted by: hobbitopoly at April 17, 2018 04:02 PM (MX7xj)

436 OT but apparently the woman who was partially sucked out the window on the Southwest flight has died.

Open seating tomorrow is gonna' be a real bitch.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 17, 2018 04:02 PM (fiGNd)

437 You know, maybe she's just not as talented as we've been told...naahhh, that can't be it...
========

Oh, she was talented.

Trust me.

Posted by: Tommy Mottola at April 17, 2018 04:02 PM (vg8iE)

438 Thinking about taking up whittling as a hobby. I think Starbucks is a good a place as any to develop my wood shaving skills.

Posted by: Under Fire at April 17, 2018 04:03 PM (r9UYA)

439 OT but apparently the woman who was partially sucked out the window on the Southwest flight has died.

Poor thing. Prayers for her family and friends.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 17, 2018 04:04 PM (tpDAe)

440

EM PREACH FOADDY-FI!!!

Posted by: Maxine Waters' Hair at April 17, 2018 04:04 PM (pYqXv)

441 Thinking about taking up whittling as a hobby. I think Starbucks is a good a place as any to develop my wood shaving skills.

Posted by: Under Fire at April 17, 2018 04:03 PM (r9UYA)

As long as you're not biting pop-tarts into primitive gun shapes you should be okay.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 17, 2018 04:04 PM (8gDQu)

442 I always liked the over wing window seats, except the turbo prop models with the prop spinning next to your window.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Repent, the end is near at April 17, 2018 04:04 PM (roQNm)

443 The Obama Justice Department, Obama's DHS and Obama's administration agreed.

Well, if that isn't an endorsement ...
Posted by: Tanner Boyle at April 17, 2018 03:52 PM (2wOtx)

I'm half-informed today. Is this the same guy SCOTUS just said could stay?

So Open Borders Obama Govt. said he should go, but SCOTUS said he can stay.

Well, that is through the Looking Glass. And now I am disgusted.

What will happen when this doofus murders someone on his next burglary. Oh well, that's the breaks. Of course, we will never know. The press will bury it. A dead innocent person just so a burglar has his rights.
Posted by: prof disarray

It'll be on Gorsuch.
Can't be highlighted enough.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 17, 2018 04:04 PM (tu/2g)

444 It'll be on Gorsuch. Can't be highlighted enough.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 17, 2018 04:04 PM (tu/2g)

But damn it ... he stood on his principles.

And thats what really matters.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 17, 2018 04:05 PM (fiGNd)

445 What will happen when this doofus murders someone on his next burglary. Oh well, that's the breaks. Of course, we will never know. The press will bury it. A dead innocent person just so a burglar has his rights.
Posted by: prof disarray

It'll be on Gorsuch.
Can't be highlighted enough.
========

Which we'll lay at Trump's feet for nominating him.

Why does Trump want people being killed by home invaders?

Fascist! Nazi!

Posted by: MSM at April 17, 2018 04:06 PM (vg8iE)

446 439 OT but apparently the woman who was partially sucked out the window on the Southwest flight has died.

==
omg how awful

Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at April 17, 2018 04:06 PM (hMwEB)

447 Tanner Boyle is clearly some TruCon NeverTrumper Troll.

So glad you're happy with Kagan's opinion regarding deportations that could have been written by Obama.

Let's find all sorts of other ways we can keep criminal aliens here with language that isn't specific enough for people without any common sense.

Posted by: Hunter S at April 17, 2018 04:06 PM (szivi)

448
Try two sticks, genius.

I said *trying*, princess. Now, maple nor oak worked. Maybe pine. Or should I change rocks?

Posted by: Guy Trying to Make Fire with a Stick and a Rock at April 17, 2018 03:57 PM (fuK7c)

Or you could just find some guy with a fire already built. Then use your stick and rock to beat him to a pulp and steal his fire.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 17, 2018 04:06 PM (XWkhW)

449

Should I stay or should I go now?
Should I stay or should I go now?
If I go, there will be trouble
And if I stay it will be double
So come on and let me know

Posted by: Break in alien at April 17, 2018 04:06 PM (IqV8l)

450 Prop plane commuter flights... oh, the stories I could tell...

Posted by: kraken at April 17, 2018 04:06 PM (zSVEm)

451 yeah, so in the stormy's a weird liar department, she ID'd her husband as the person who threatened her. Or Team America's Matt Damon or Tom Brady.

Posted by: Kuhyt at April 17, 2018 04:07 PM (Kuhyt)

452 OT but apparently the woman who was partially sucked out the window on the Southwest flight has died.

Poor thing. Prayers for her family and friends.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 17, 2018 04:04 PM (tpDAe)

What a horrible way to go. Bless her and her family.

Posted by: hobbitopoly at April 17, 2018 04:07 PM (MX7xj)

453
OT but apparently the woman who was partially sucked out the window on the Southwest flight has died.

Blown out

Posted by: Lt. Cdr. Data at April 17, 2018 04:08 PM (IqV8l)

454 Let me know when the thousands of pages of EPA nonsense get thrown out."

Why do you think the left has been campaigning so hard lately to try and get Scott Pruitt thrown out?

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 17, 2018 04:08 PM (k1TUh)

455 Or you could just find some guy with a fire already built. Then use your stick and rock to beat him to a pulp and steal his fire.

There you go! That's actually the premise of the only good caveman movie ever made. I love all caveman movies but the only good one was Quest for Fire.

Posted by: Guy Trying to Make Fire with a Stick and a Rock at April 17, 2018 04:08 PM (fuK7c)

456 Or you could just find some guy with a fire already built. Then use your stick and rock to beat him to a pulp and steal his fire.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur

My luck? Guy would have a small fire. I would clank him on the head. He would fall into fire thereby putting it out.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 17, 2018 04:09 PM (tu/2g)

457 451 yeah, so in the stormy's a weird liar department, she ID'd her husband as the person who threatened her. Or Team America's Matt Damon or Tom Brady.
Posted by: Kuhyt at April 17, 2018 04:07 PM (Kuhyt)

Well, she's seen so many dicks, it's hard for her to keep them straight anymore.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at April 17, 2018 04:09 PM (RD7QR)

458 Or you could just find some guy with a fire already built. Then use your stick and rock to beat him to a pulp and steal his fire.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 17, 2018 04:06 PM (XWkhW)

Look, we don't care. Make fire. Steal fire. Whatever. But if this mammoth steak doesn't get grilled - we're gonna' be pissed.

And while you're at it - my T-Rex Blood Martini is looking a little dry.

Posted by: The National Review Staff, BC at April 17, 2018 04:09 PM (fiGNd)

459 Or you could just find some guy with a fire already built. Then use your stick and rock to beat him to a pulp and steal his fire.
=========

He can stay in the tribe.

Posted by: Neolithic Supreme Court at April 17, 2018 04:10 PM (vg8iE)

460 Dear J-Pod

But Roberts.

Posted by: Blanco at April 17, 2018 04:10 PM (HltPS)

461 Those airline windows are pretty small. I imagine anyone not skinny might get stuck in there.

Posted by: wth at April 17, 2018 04:10 PM (HgMAr)

462
Let me know when the thousands of pages of EPA nonsense get thrown out."

Why do you think the left has been campaigning so hard lately to try and get Scott Pruitt thrown out?

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 17, 2018 04:08 PM (k1TUh)

He replaced the shit-stained carpets at EPA? Didn't CBO just bitch about Pruitt spending money on redecorating?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 17, 2018 04:10 PM (XWkhW)

463 was partially sucked out the window on the Southwest flight has died.

Blown out

There are instances where sucking and blowing have the same meaning.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 17, 2018 04:10 PM (fuK7c)

464 I get believe this Stormy whore is still in the news. I don't read anything about her, so when I see her name come up, I'm surprised she's still relevant.

I don't like using that word. But it seems she qualifies on a few levels, and I'm in a mood.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 17, 2018 04:10 PM (XVgpK)

465 I've been normalized!

Posted by: The Hamburglar at April 17, 2018 04:10 PM (9acFt)

466 In the Land of the Freezing, the Two Stick Man is King...

Posted by: kraken at April 17, 2018 04:11 PM (zSVEm)

467 I don't know how to come down on this ruling. I haven't read it. And I'm not going to. I'm not going to because I have my own life and my own $#!+ to see to and it's not my f***ing job to do so. What I will do, which is the thing that actually IS my f***ing job to do, is work that much harder to throw out the worthless Congressional f***tards that were too f***ing lazy and/or corrupt to wright a Constitutionally ironclad and airtight piece of legislation to deal with a problem they were too f***ing lazy and/or corrupt to make sure wouldn't exist in the first place.

THAT is what I'm going to do.

Questions?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at April 17, 2018 04:11 PM (AM1GF)

468 A statue of a 19th century gynecologist was removed from NYC central park because it's alleged he experimented on slave women.

https://tinyurl.com/y8eauhtn

Not sure how significant this is. Kinsey experimented on infants. FGM is OK. I just can't GAF anymore. Given the fact that the left is in search of causes, who knows if they didn't invent this? I guess they ran out of Confederate monuments.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 17, 2018 04:11 PM (/qEW2)

469 "But Gorsuch!"

And I suppose Pudhead would be happier with Hillary's appointment?

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at April 17, 2018 04:11 PM (jWe5r)

470 Where do all the Disgraced Statues go, I wonder.....

Posted by: kraken at April 17, 2018 04:12 PM (zSVEm)

471 Let me know when the thousands of pages of EPA nonsense get thrown out."

Why do you think the left has been campaigning so hard lately to try and get Scott Pruitt thrown out?

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 17, 2018 04:08 PM (k1TUh)

In this case, I must inform you the Constitution is quite clear. Legislation must come from Congress. So, until such time as a Congressional Remedy is proposed, I simply must follow precedent and align with Justices Ginsberg, Sotamayor, Kagan, and Souter.

The existing EPA regulations stand ... as do my principles.

Posted by: The Honorable Neil Gorsuch at April 17, 2018 04:12 PM (fiGNd)

472 T but apparently the woman who was partially sucked out the window on the Southwest flight has died.

Blown out

Potato/potahto

Posted by: Roland THTG at April 17, 2018 04:12 PM (xBSm0)

473
Well, she's seen so many dicks, it's hard for her to keep them straight anymore.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at April 17, 2018 04:09 PM (RD7QR)

sumpin sumpin phrasing. Or-

She could keep mine straight for a while!

Lotsa ways to go on this one

Posted by: OneEyedJack at April 17, 2018 04:12 PM (z79tQ)

474 My bookstore was broken into and robbed one Saturday night several years ago. Talking to the police, I got the impression that "burglary" happened when no one is inside the place being burgled. "Robbery" was a crime that occurred when a person or persons was in the building. "Robbery" is a crime against a person, not a place.

I think Gorsuch is correct: the law as written is too vague. The lawyers writing these laws should define their terms more specifically. It's almost as if they wrote the law with the intention of getting their clients freed of all charges.

Posted by: Deplorable Lady with Only Two Deplorable Cats at April 17, 2018 04:13 PM (BOdUR)

475 You not take fire. Take woman instead. Ugh.

Posted by: Ugh the Caveman at April 17, 2018 04:13 PM (HgMAr)

476
Or you could just find some guy with a fire already built. Then use your stick and rock to beat him to a pulp and steal his fire.

There you go! That's actually the premise of the only good caveman movie ever made. I love all caveman movies but the only good one was Quest for Fire.

Posted by: Guy Trying to Make Fire with a Stick and a Rock at April 17, 2018 04:08 PM (fuK7c)

I was actually thinking of a riff on Maxim 21:

Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Take his fish away and tell him he's lucky just to be alive, and he'll figure out how to catch another one for you to take tomorrow.

http://tinyurl.com/kojydcb

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 17, 2018 04:13 PM (XWkhW)

477 The Chief must be working on something REALLY GOOD for us, is my guess.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 17, 2018 04:13 PM (fA1SL)

478 Why do you think the left has been campaigning so hard lately to try and get Scott Pruitt thrown out?

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 17, 2018 04:08 PM (k1TUh)

In this case, I must inform you the Constitution is quite clear. Legislation must come from Congress. So, until such time as a Congressional Remedy is proposed, I simply must follow precedent and align with Justices Ginsberg, Sotamayor, Kagan, and Souter.

The existing EPA regulations stand ... as do my principles.
Posted by: The Honorable Neil Gorsuch

Reversed!
Hey! Wait a second....
Posted by: Random Hawaiian Judge #7

Posted by: rickb223 at April 17, 2018 04:14 PM (tu/2g)

479 Or he threw a Croc and fell.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 17, 2018 04:14 PM (fA1SL)

480 477 The Chief must be working on something REALLY GOOD for us, is my guess.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 17, 2018 04:13 PM (fA1SL)

Yeah, I am gonna go with that.....

Posted by: kraken at April 17, 2018 04:14 PM (zSVEm)

481

EM GYNECOLOGIST FOADDY-FI!!!

Posted by: Maxine Waters' Hair at April 17, 2018 04:15 PM (pYqXv)

482 Boom - nood

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 17, 2018 04:15 PM (fA1SL)

483 So what Gorsuch is saying is that vaguely worded law can't be enforced; vaguely worded like "for the common good" or "for the general welfare."

That's good to know.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Repent, the end is near at April 17, 2018 04:15 PM (roQNm)

484 Dear Stormy,
Is is sucked or blown? [/]

This can be a sticky question, but usually means the same thing.

Thanks for asking.

Posted by: Ask Stormy at April 17, 2018 04:15 PM (xBSm0)

485 Nood. He weighs in on Starbucks.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 17, 2018 04:16 PM (/qEW2)

486

Posted by: Ask Stormy at April 17, 2018 04:16 PM (xBSm0)

487 470 Where do all the Disgraced Statues go, I wonder.....
Posted by: kraken at April 17, 2018 04:12 PM (zSVEm)

The Island of Misfit Statues. They have a barbecue in August and invite over the Misfit Toys. Gets pretty rowdy sometimes.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at April 17, 2018 04:16 PM (RD7QR)

488 Sounds like the containment ring on that engine failed. It must have been scary as hell. Kudos to the crew and passengers who stepped up.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 17, 2018 04:17 PM (CiRJp)

489 Tanner Boyle is clearly some TruCon NeverTrumper Troll.
....

Clearly.

Gorsuch Votes With Liberals on Deportation Case

It's a pretty defensible vote.

-ace

Posted by: Tanner Boyle at April 17, 2018 04:18 PM (2wOtx)

490 Those airline windows are pretty small. I imagine anyone not skinny might get stuck in there.
Posted by: wth at April 17, 2018 04:10 PM (HgMAr)

I'm picturing the scene at the end of Alien Resurrection when the alien gets sucked through the hole in the side of the ship.

Posted by: Mainah at April 17, 2018 04:19 PM (Boy/L)

491 I'll be damned - a topic upon which I have absolutely no opinion. Somebody write this down.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 17, 2018 04:19 PM (fiGNd)

492 Are we saying (and is Gorsuch saying), he will rule against ALL the other laws that may be vague ?

Posted by: dDan at April 17, 2018 04:23 PM (hwYmz)

493 Maybe people who are soooo sure the SCOTUS decision was correct should read the dissenting opinion.

Ya know, just for a balanced view.

My issue is with all those Judges who went with the majority decision, not just Gorush. I don't want a politicized court, although we have one to some extent.

But I am worried about going forward. You can pick apart just about any law and say something is not clear. The road of pettifoggery this could lead us down is endless.

Remember, Clinton argued over the definition of "is".

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 17, 2018 04:23 PM (XVgpK)

494 So what Gorsuch is saying is that vaguely worded law can't be enforced; vaguely worded like "for the common good" or "for the general welfare."

That's good to know.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse - Repent, the end is near at April 17, 2018 04:15 PM (roQNm)

Yep, this is an indication that a culture of trust with shared norms of decency is falling apart. The fabric of our society is moth eaten and disintegrating.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 17, 2018 04:27 PM (XVgpK)

495 I would not like to see breaking into an empty garage and an empty house be classified as an "aggravated felony".

Posted by: Tanner Boyle at April 17, 2018 04:27 PM (2wOtx)

496 But hey torches and pitchforks and shit.

Posted by: Tanner Boyle at April 17, 2018 04:29 PM (2wOtx)

497 But Gorsuch!

Right, because I'm sure the Marxist that would have been appointed by Johnny FatPodz favored candidate in the 2016 election would have voted to deport in no-time.

He and Jenny "I'm an Intellectual" Rubin can go eat a jumbo-sized bag o Texas d1cks

Posted by: DocJ at April 17, 2018 04:32 PM (NYS7S)

498 Quest for Fire
------
Sea People babes good lay.

Posted by: gronk at April 17, 2018 04:32 PM (VBKy9)

499 One mistake common to our side is to think that man's laws are like physical laws.

Physical laws can't be appealed or argued - they are what they are.

Man's laws on the other hand mean what ever you can convince judges they mean.

Because of the Yin and Yang nature of reality there is an element of being able to argue about physical laws - does this law apply to this case - etc.
And there is an element of man's laws meaning what they say - convince enough Supreme Court justices that they do and voila.

Listen to the oral arguments in the Heller case - one of the liberal idiot judges asks: "So you'd allow reasonable infringement of this right?" What part of "shall not be infringed" did he not understand?

Posted by: An Observation at April 17, 2018 04:58 PM (KdlDE)

500 >>>Posted by: An Observation at April 17, 2018 04:58 PM (KdlDE)

Word. I was thinking that just the other day.

We think government is a machine. We write down laws and there they are, ink on paper, as solid as metal components under the hood of a car.

So laws should run like a car. But laws are more like adding wheels to the vehicle, and then filling them with hamsters in the expectation that these will run inside these wheels and get us where we need to go. But the hamsters (politicians, judges) run away. And so we foolishly add more wheels and more hamsters, and we do this because we are stupidly thinking that this is a machine rather than a system where the motor power is corrupt and can just ignore the design.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 17, 2018 05:09 PM (/qEW2)

501 One event is not a trend.

Posted by: torabora at April 17, 2018 05:53 PM (K0z2U)

502 Over not a whole long time, I think that it'll begin to dawn on people that just because a judge is nominated by a Republican president, doesn't mean he or she is at all predictably going to vote gong to vote the same way as other judges on the same court who also were nominated by a Republican president.

Gorsuch is definitely not the same person or judge as Thomas. Thomas, too, has in the past actually voted with D-appointed SCOTUS judges and against R-appointed SCOTUS judges. Not very much, and some of those were on fairly narrow points, but still...

Thomas and Alito are the two judges on the current court who have a history of SCOTUS votering the same, but it's not absolute, and you can actually detect principled differences from just the few cases where they've voted differently.

The myth of the so-called conservative phalanx on SCOTUS is brought into a great deal more doubt by the voting pattern differences comparing Alito and Thomas to either or both Kennedy and CJ Roberts. Kennedy has a pretty unique view of "liberty" that shows up most graphically in same sex cases, and Roberts has an institution-favoring bias quite a bit beyond any or Alito, Thomas, Kennedy or all 3 combined.

There's not even a sound basis for expecting Gorsuch to vote like his self-avowed hero and model, Scalia. Even before Scalia died, there'd already been a number of compelling studies showing that Scalia's dedication to the originalism was actually somewhere between inconsistent to muddy. And if there's one thing Scalia was MOST consistent on, it was being scathing about modern language usage in deriving originalist thinking. Whereas, it's actually already been shown that Gorsuch's opinions in the low courts are most scathing about, and opposed to, OVERBROAD pre-modern language use. Those two things are not the same, suggesting pretty strongly that, inevitably, had Scalia and Gorsuch served on SCOTUS together, they'd have voted differently on at least some cases.

As Ace observes, this looks like a case where Gorsuch's approach looks the more sensible, IOW the less doctrinaire. It's also a case with a set of facts that Scalia's long record suggests he would have gone after quite differently from Gorsuch.

But all that's too granular. The LARGER picture is that there have been lots and lots of SCOTUS appointments who, within a matter of a few years of starting, turned out to have quite different views from the top than the ones implied by when they were opining bound from above.

Gorsuch may actually end up being one of those. He's certainly ALREADY considered "unique" compared to every single other current SCOTUS judge.

Posted by: Donald J. Trump's Boner Spurs at April 17, 2018 06:15 PM (x+yK4)

503 Roberts sided with the criminals. On ObamaCare.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at April 17, 2018 06:37 PM (Ndje9)

504 Don't understand all the need for reasons to keep a law breaker in the country. He's illegal enough reason to deport. Fuck all this non-violent BS. In Texas we kinda live by the Toby Keith song whiskey for my men beer for my horses.

Posted by: Dr. Kent at April 17, 2018 09:47 PM (CELt2)

505 He's illegal enough reason to deport.
...

The alien in this decision was legal.

Posted by: Tanner Boyle at April 17, 2018 10:20 PM (2wOtx)

506 ANy crim eby any naturalized, resident or illegal ought to lead to incarceration, revocation and forced deportation. We've got more than enough native-born crooks as it is. And that's not even counting politicians or judges.

Posted by: rayra at April 17, 2018 10:30 PM (Pgsaa)

507 If the considered law is vague, the government has an advantage. Classic example is the Mueller investigation, no clear underlying crime and thus a fishing expedition to manufacture the usual tax evasion or perjury trap beefs. Gorsuch is defending clarity in the law.

Posted by: potadas at April 18, 2018 07:14 AM (FNfeD)

508 This -- "Gorsuch voted in favor of the notion that the law should be reasonably clear and specific enough to alert the reasonably-intelligent average citizen what the law is and what the consequences of breaking it are." -- is a thoroughly conservative position.

Posted by: Montjoie at April 18, 2018 03:40 PM (QpwOt)

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