From An Outsider's Perspective California Is Nuts

In 2017 Los Angeles had a homeless population of 58,000 people. The homeless census of 2018 just took place.

The annual three-day effort to update Los Angeles County’s homeless figures is underway. The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development requires the count in all areas that seek federal funds to address homelessness.

After last year’s count, officials said there were nearly 58,000 homeless people in the county. The Los Angeles Homeless Services Authority will release this year’s results in the spring. It is the first census since funds began to flow from two recent tax measures for homeless services and housing.


More tax money thrown at the problem doesn't seem to be helping.

Los Angeles County's homeless population is increasing faster than the supply of new housing, even with the addition of thousands of beds in the last two years and millions of dollars beginning to flow in from two ballot measures targeting the crisis, according to a long-awaited report by the region's homelessness agency.

The report showed that officials two years ago far underestimated how much new housing would be needed when they asked city and county voters to approve the tax measures.


Not only does La La Land have money to throw at homeless. It also has money to curb global warming.

The City of Los Angeles, and CBS LA, unintentionally expose what a huge component of what the reality of global warming is: namely, that so much of the recorded temperatures are artificially inflated from the Urban Heat Island (UHI) effect, as well as land use. Yes, these are anthropogenic, but, they are not causing future doom, and the reliance on blamestorming a tiny increase in the atmospheric carbon dioxide content is a bunch of mule fritters

(CBS LA) In the race to combat climate change, the city of Los Angeles is employing a surprising new tactic — covering its streets in a grayish-white coating known as CoolSeal.

It’s sprayed onto the roadway with trucks, then spread across the surface with squeegees. However, its impact extends far beyond the edge of the pavement.


Will California split up? California may have an opportunity to split their state up into 3 states.

Billionaire venture investor Tim Draper on Thursday said he has the signatures he needs to put his initiative to break up California into three states before the state’s voters.

Draper said in a press release that he has gathered about 600,000 signatures for his “Cal 3” initiative that would divide the country’s most populous state into three new ones: Northern California, Southern California and California.

Los Angeles would be in the new California. The farmland and forested areas, along with San Francisco and the Silicon Valley technology hub, would be turned into the two other states.

The signatures on the Cal 3 petition have yet to be certified, so it isn’t officially on the ballot yet.

But people aren't waiting for sanity to come back. They are leaving. And depending on your point of view, leaving in droves.

VICTORVILLE — Billy Joel’s classic tune “Movin’ Out” could be an appropriate theme song for the many individuals in the High Desert and California who have packed up and relocated to places like Oregon, Michigan, Arizona, Texas and Idaho.

The Golden State continues to rank No. 1 as the state that has waved goodbye to more residents, about 143,000 last year, than welcomed those who have moved here, according to a U.S. Census Bureau report.

And despite the state losing 3.5 million people to other states from 2010 to 2015, many demographic experts said there is no mass exodus from California.


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1 Th!,

Posted by: Rosasharn at April 15, 2018 02:04 PM (PzBTm)

2 Okay nd!

Posted by: Rosasharn at April 15, 2018 02:05 PM (PzBTm)

3 Roommy in here.

Posted by: Rosasharn at April 15, 2018 02:05 PM (PzBTm)

4 But dat weather do!

Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 02:05 PM (NWiLs)

5 You ALL hate me?

Posted by: Rosasharn at April 15, 2018 02:06 PM (PzBTm)

6 Insomniac! Happy to see you.

Posted by: Rosasharn at April 15, 2018 02:07 PM (PzBTm)

7 Yes, the Demonrats managed to get the census to count homeless people and illegals and those numbers are used to justify federal money and the number of allowed House members. That needs to change.


Every year CA will increase those numbers.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 02:07 PM (mpXpK)

8 5 You ALL hate me?
Posted by: Rosasharn at April 15, 2018 02:06 PM (PzBTm)

No, it's just your hygiene is...lacking.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 02:07 PM (NWiLs)

9 6 Insomniac! Happy to see you.
Posted by: Rosasharn at April 15, 2018 02:07 PM (PzBTm)

Happy to see ME? Just how bad have things gotten?

Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 02:07 PM (NWiLs)

10 Nice representation in DC you have there California. It would be a shame if you lost it by being placed on double secret probabtion.

Posted by: Monk at April 15, 2018 02:07 PM (1qRK9)

11 I really should move. Zillow says my shitty little 2 bedroom ranchstyle is worth a million dollars now. That can buy a lot of house most other places. But both my and my wife's entire family is here.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 15, 2018 02:08 PM (toi7g)

12 Aaaand a lot of these Californians will settle in new states and vote for the very same stuff that ruined CA.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 15, 2018 02:09 PM (W+vEI)

13 Shut the door - I am showering!

Posted by: Rosasharn at April 15, 2018 02:09 PM (PzBTm)

14 (CBS LA) In the race to combat climate change, the city of Los Angeles
is employing a surprising new tactic - covering its streets in a
grayish-white coating known as CoolSeal.



It's sprayed onto the roadway with trucks, then spread across the
surface with squeegees. However, its impact extends far beyond the edge
of the pavement.





Not said here is this lame brain idea is costing them $40K per mile of road surface.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 02:09 PM (mpXpK)

15 Do not allow California to split into 3 states. That would be 6 Commie senators instard of 2. No. No. No. This is rewarding bad behavior.

Posted by: Monk at April 15, 2018 02:09 PM (1qRK9)

16 672, 673, 674...

Will you people hold still? I am TRYING to count you.


dammit...

1, 2, 3...

Posted by: Homeless Census Taker at April 15, 2018 02:10 PM (aTveC)

17 Will California split up? California
may have an opportunity to split their state up into 3 states.



never happen because CA can vote all they want but congress will never approve it. The Democrats/RINOs, and DIABLOs will all vote against it.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 02:11 PM (mpXpK)

18 If we allow CA to split up they will just replicate more. This is how cancer spreads. Three states run by SF, LA and SD. Not a real good idea. How about we sell the women to the Mexicans and just kill all the rest?

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 15, 2018 02:12 PM (vV/gB)

19 15 Do not allow California to split into 3 states. That would be 6 Commie senators instard of 2. No. No. No. This is rewarding bad behavior.
Posted by: Monk at April 15, 2018 02:09 PM (1qRK9)

Not to mention at least 6 more electoral votes guaranteed to be Democrat.

Posted by: Surfperch at April 15, 2018 02:12 PM (ZA0d5)

20 California seems so proud of their homeless. Come to beautiful California- and sleep in the street.

Posted by: Rosasharn at April 15, 2018 02:12 PM (PzBTm)

21 Think of what might have been if Moses had some killer Ganja.

Posted by: Fritz at April 15, 2018 02:12 PM (bJ0w+)

22 Sir, How many people are living under the pile of filth in your shopping cart?

No sir. Invisible people do not count.

Posted by: Homeless Census Taker at April 15, 2018 02:13 PM (aTveC)

23 First thought without reading 'Good break up Leftifornia ', then read a little about it.
Instead of one giant Leftifornia there will be 3 small Leftifornias
( if allowed, and there are fed rules against it) 3 X Leftist Senators
Quicly assume congressmen won't change much but could, the dividing plan is more like gerrymandering a state with Leftist areas spread into every part, ( San Francisco is going to northern California)

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2018 02:13 PM (aC6Sd)

24 Former LA Mayor Garcetti gearing up for a 2020 presidential run. Yay.

Posted by: Under Fire at April 15, 2018 02:14 PM (r9UYA)

25 If California splits up, can we give the loony section back to Mexico?

Just woke up from my nap. Lots of energy, now. I will help them pack.

Posted by: ALH at April 15, 2018 02:14 PM (XT3kS)

26
And despite the state losing 3.5 million people to other states from 2010 to 2015, many demographic experts said there is no mass exodus from California.








Because those 3.5m people were replaced by 3.5m illegal aliens.

*counts heads*

"Nope. No change."

*lights up doobie*

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 15, 2018 02:14 PM (eXA4G)

27 I remember seeing a proposal a couple of years ago to divide California into six states.

That would definitely be a good thing, as at least two or three of them would be steadfastly conservative. A great improvement over the present situation, where the leftists overwhelm everyone else.

Posted by: rickl at April 15, 2018 02:15 PM (sdi6R)

28 #15 No, it would be 4 commie Senators and 2 Republican ones.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 15, 2018 02:15 PM (toi7g)

29 It would be much better to have them separate into a new country.

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2018 02:15 PM (aC6Sd)

30 *lights up doobie*
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 15, 2018 02:14 PM (eXA4G)

Don't Bogart that joint.

Posted by: ALH at April 15, 2018 02:15 PM (XT3kS)

31 18
If we allow CA to split up they will just replicate more. This is how
cancer spreads. Three states run by SF, LA and SD. Not a real good
idea. How about we sell the women to the Mexicans and just kill all the
rest?

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 15, 2018 02:12 PM (vV/gB)


I saw a map of what those three new States would be. Split roughly in half longitudinally and a narrow corridor along the coast from SF to San Diego. That would likely be two Democrat senators in the corridor and at least 3 or 4 Republicans in the other areas. that is why Democrats will NEVER approve it.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 02:15 PM (mpXpK)

32 >>#15 No, it would be 4 commie Senators and 2 Republican ones.

Sounds like a good deal.

Posted by: The GOP at April 15, 2018 02:16 PM (r9UYA)

33 19 Not to mention at least 6 more electoral votes guaranteed to be Democrat.

Posted by: Surfperch at April 15, 2018 02:12 PM (ZA0d



Should not change the total number of residents so that will not be impacted.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 02:16 PM (mpXpK)

34 20 California seems so proud of their homeless. Come to beautiful California- and sleep in the street.
Posted by: Rosasharn at April 15, 2018 02:12 PM (PzBTm)

Poop in the street as well!

Posted by: San Francisco City Council at April 15, 2018 02:17 PM (ZA0d5)

35 Pic at the first link appears to show a plane taking off, not landing. And to avoid miscounting or double-counting the "homeless" maybe they should ear-tag them, like cattle.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 15, 2018 02:17 PM (vUFR0)

36 As I said it looked like Leftists would be separated into all 3 areas with no area getting a Republican representative.

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2018 02:17 PM (aC6Sd)

37 That is a funk-a-delic version of "Exodus".

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at April 15, 2018 02:17 PM (qJtVm)

38 >>35 ...And to avoid miscounting or double-counting the "homeless" maybe they should ear-tag them, like cattle.

Forehead branding.

Posted by: Under Fire at April 15, 2018 02:19 PM (r9UYA)

39 Three problems with the above.

1. It looks as if any proposes split will be effectively gerrymandered to keep the American parts of CA submerged under the Bolshies. E.g., SF and LA should be part of one segment.

2. There's a big danger of people fleeing CA bringing California attitudes with them. We've seen this happen in Virginia.

3. It still leave SanFran and LA in the US. Get them out. Then build a wall.

Posted by: George LeS at April 15, 2018 02:19 PM (+TcCF)

40 My first thought was that the right-of-center portions would finally get representation, but what is to prevent the lefties from moving in and changing the nature of the new state?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at April 15, 2018 02:20 PM (qJtVm)

41 Nothing against the California Morons (get out while you can) but Mother Nature - through the help of San Andreas - is going to do what needs to be done to California soon enough.

Learn to swim.
See you down in Arizona Bay.

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at April 15, 2018 02:20 PM (jWe5r)

42 The Cal 3 is a compromise, both left and right gain/lose. The prior Cal 5 and Cal 6 options were more geared to benefit the right, and thus were doomed.

Bottom line is that Cal 3 will result in two left states and one right state. 4 dem senators and 2 republican. Congress stays about the same. So dems gain in the senate, but the split kills the Dems in the electoral college, flipping about 15 votes from left to right.

Posted by: wooga at April 15, 2018 02:20 PM (n5VsB)

43 here is the new map, doesn't go all the way to San Diego. Only to LA.


http://tinyurl.com/y96b334v

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 02:20 PM (mpXpK)

44 Lifelong Cali resident agreeing with all this. We are so screwed...

Posted by: Scottst at April 15, 2018 02:21 PM (+POAk)

45 33 19 Not to mention at least 6 more electoral votes guaranteed to be Democrat.

Posted by: Surfperch at April 15, 2018 02:12 PM (ZA0d



Should not change the total number of residents so that will not be impacted.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 02:16 PM (mpXpK)

Each state gets one electoral vote for each Senator and representative, three California's would send a combined total of six senators to DC, four of which would be new, giving four more electoral votes to the Dems.

Posted by: Surfperch at April 15, 2018 02:22 PM (ZA0d5)

46 Oh my God.

I am so itchy.

Posted by: Homeless Census Taker at April 15, 2018 02:23 PM (aTveC)

47 45 Each state gets one electoral vote for each Senator
and representative, three California's would send a combined total of
six senators to DC, four of which would be new, giving four more
electoral votes to the Dems.

Posted by: Surfperch at April 15, 2018 02:22 PM (ZA0d5)

Well those 4 "new" ones would likely be Republicans.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 02:23 PM (mpXpK)

48
I really should move. Zillow says my shitty little 2 bedroom ranchstyle
is worth a million dollars now. That can buy a lot of house most other
places. But both my and my wife's entire family is here.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 15, 2018 02:08 PM (toi7g)

Thing is, that value holds up only as long as the exodus amounts to a trickle, and there are stay-behinds or newcomers enough to want to buy your home. When the trickle turns into a flood, and it will, home prices will crash hard. Count on it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 15, 2018 02:23 PM (vUFR0)

49 I'd definitely vote for a split up of California, but I don't think it needs to be 3. Just 2: a slice of the coast down from SF to the border and in about 20 miles, then the rest of the state.

And the non-coastal area would probably be GOP.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2018 02:23 PM (39g3+)

50 California broken up into 3 states would probably end up being 1 super blue state and 2 more purple states. Probably would vote similar to Nevada for the 2 broken up states. So likely 6 Democrat Senate seats.

I want the state to secede and have their own ridiculous country.

Posted by: Jackso at April 15, 2018 02:23 PM (uc45P)

51 Once they split we can have them individually run the gauntlet to see who is worthy of being an American. You lose, you move to Mexico.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 15, 2018 02:24 PM (vV/gB)

52 3.5 million is a lot of people. They need the illegals just to maintain their congressional representation; no wonder they are upset about the census asking questions about citizenship. If it ever gets down to congressional representation only counting citizens California is in deep trouble.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Free Sonobi With Purchase of Grumbling Gadgets at the Outrage Outlet! at April 15, 2018 02:24 PM (0QYMt)

53 Breaking up California will only apportion new areas for the liberals to destroy.

They always do.

They are a cancer on society.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at April 15, 2018 02:25 PM (WK1ar)

54 28 #15 No, it would be 4 commie Senators and 2 Republican ones.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 15, 2018 02:15 PM (toi7g)
-------------------
For about ten years or so.
You can't stop migration of D-voters into the sane state.
Then 6 commie Senators.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 15, 2018 02:25 PM (0jtPF)

55 Why can't they give it a good cleaning and the count the brown stalagmites ?

Posted by: JT at April 15, 2018 02:25 PM (i/ESc)

56 Would you like to volunteer for our new Federal "Soylent Green" Initiative?

Posted by: Homeless Census Taker at April 15, 2018 02:26 PM (aTveC)

57 For about ten years or so.
You can't stop migration of D-voters into the sane state.
Then 6 commie Senators.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille

________

The non-left wing states would be pro-business and attract the liberals with their job market, then watch the same liberals bring their stupid policies with them and wonder why the cost of living changed.

Posted by: Jackso at April 15, 2018 02:26 PM (uc45P)

58 Vic thanks for that link, but I can't find the 3-state map.


And depending on where the lines are drawn, "South California" would be purplish, politically. At least not deep stupid blue.


But this is gonna happen when DC gets their senators, and the federal budget is balanced, and ridiculous farm subsidies are eliminated, and ...... you know, never.


One wonders why states with much, much cleaner and even more stark political splits, like IL, don't have division ideas moving. Why not the state of North Virginia? Or West Washington? Or West Oregon?


Posted by: rhomboid at April 15, 2018 02:27 PM (QDnY+)

59 Testing in Yuma most of the 90s I saw Yuma fill up with refugees from Callie. At first, I could not understand why anyone would want to live in Yuma and then I saw what had happened to Callie. It certainly went downhill fast starting in the late 80s.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 15, 2018 02:27 PM (vV/gB)

60
So if Cali is actually split, what becomes of that paragon of environmental virtue, the California Air Resources Board?

Where will their "authority" then be?

Posted by: irongrampa at April 15, 2018 02:28 PM (S/hVx)

61 There's a reason not a lot of insane lefies live in places like Wyoming, Idaho, eastern Oregon, or most of California: they are parasites that require a host to suck the life out of, a city to live off of. If that's not available, they don't go there.

LIsten to any NYC comedian about the country; that's their attitude toward anywhere that isn't urban. There's not gonna be a flood of LA residents pouring out into Barstow and Bakersfield for a reason, and its not gonna happen just because they are different states.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2018 02:28 PM (39g3+)

62
But there was that medium.com article:

"The next time you call for bipartisan cooperation in America and long for Republicans and Democrats to work side by side, stop it. Remember the great lesson of California, the harbinger of America's political future, and realize that today such bipartisan cooperation simply can't get done.

In this current period of American politics, at this juncture in our history, there's no way that a bipartisan path provides the way forward. The way forward is on the path California blazed about 15 years ago."

etc etc

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 15, 2018 02:28 PM (IqV8l)

63 Do not allow California to split into 3 states. That would be 6 Commie senators instard of 2. No. No. No. This is rewarding bad behavior.
Posted by: Monk at April 15, 2018 02:09 PM (1qRK9)



There are a lot of conservatives in the state who are being held hostage by the lunatics in LA and SF. Depending on how the state was divided up, you could end up with one state that had Venezuela-style politicians and two with conservatives ones.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 15, 2018 02:28 PM (kLBhp)

64 Not said here is this lame brain idea is costing them $40K per mile of road surface.


Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 02:09 PM (mpXpK)

If it's durable enough, it might eventually pay for itself in reduced A/C costs for both homeowners and car operators. Pretty big "might", though. In the early 1970's, Vancouver, BC resurfaced the Lion's Gate Bridge with some sort of highly-touted tractionized epoxy jam. It didn't last a year.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 15, 2018 02:28 PM (vUFR0)

65 Betcha the homeless could fry an egg on the Kool-sealed road surface in July.

Posted by: torabora at April 15, 2018 02:29 PM (nr/Gb)

66 58
Vic thanks for that link, but I can't find the 3-state map.



Posted by: rhomboid at April 15, 2018 02:27 PM (QDnY+)



It works for me. Here try this one.


http://tinyurl.com/y9pbovcj

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 02:29 PM (mpXpK)

67 If Cal 3 passes, people in LA/Orange/ San Bernardino will move between counties. Republicans will move in greater numbers from LA into Orange. Orange County will pass laws to drive out more of its leftists. So the Cal 3 gives Republicans in California the potential to consolidate and gain some power... but I assume our horrible state party will find a way to shit themselves in any scenario.

Posted by: wooga at April 15, 2018 02:29 PM (n5VsB)

68 We could combine Maryland and Delaware, and Conn and RI, to keep the Senate at 100.

Posted by: Jean at April 15, 2018 02:29 PM (MS0+a)

69 Don't Bogart that blunt, Brah!

Posted by: Moses at April 15, 2018 02:30 PM (bJ0w+)

70 I really should move. Zillow says my shitty little 2 bedroom ranchstyle is worth a million dollars now. That can buy a lot of house most other places. But both my and my wife's entire family is here.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 15, 2018 02:08 PM"

Do it, and sooner rather than later. Remember there were a whole lot of German Jews who in 1941 were saying "oh if only I had moved to Switzerland when I had the chance 5 years ago!"

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 15, 2018 02:30 PM (V2Yro)

71 Don't be fooled thinking any part will get a Republican representative, Leftists have a super majority in the Leftifornia houses.

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2018 02:31 PM (aC6Sd)

72 "Question 4. Do you own or rent your home?"

Posted by: Homeless Census Taker at April 15, 2018 02:31 PM (aTveC)

73 There will be a Wall around the new California...and the coast mined?

Posted by: torabora at April 15, 2018 02:31 PM (nr/Gb)

74 If it's durable enough, it might eventually pay for itself in reduced A/C costs for both homeowners and car operators. Pretty big "might", though.

Yeah they'd be lucky to get 2 years out of it, and besides, while it would lower local temperatures near the roads by a few degrees, that's not enough to make Californians turn off the AC, or even down.

In any case, the savings for business and residential areas that might possibly show up from turning down the AC does nothing for the city's costs.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2018 02:32 PM (39g3+)

75 Second look at physical removal? Total number of people who'd have to leave or be removed in order to turn things around is probably under a million or so.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 15, 2018 02:32 PM (fA1SL)

76 Q#4 or Do you own or rent your tent?

Posted by: torabora at April 15, 2018 02:32 PM (nr/Gb)

77 One thing you can count on though, all of those illegals are going to migrate to the central valley "State" where all the farming is.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 02:33 PM (mpXpK)

78 I have a better idea!

Dems love Big Government, right?
Instead of dividing up California, create a new state called Pacifica that includes Washington and Oregon. Hey, throw in Hawaii while you're at it!

Instead of 8 Dem Senators, they get only 2! And they lose 6 electoral votes.

If you still want to use a chain saw, rip away the eastern parts of those Pacific states and make a new state out of that.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 15, 2018 02:33 PM (0jtPF)

79 68 We could combine Maryland and Delaware, and Conn and RI, to keep the Senate at 100.
-------------------
Collapse Vermont into NH and we can drop it to 98.

Posted by: Puddin Head at April 15, 2018 02:34 PM (vV/gB)

80 Homeless guy burned down a freeway in Atlanta. Beat that California!

Posted by: f'd at April 15, 2018 02:34 PM (UdKB7)

81 I'd definitely vote for a split up of California,
but I don't think it needs to be 3. Just 2: a slice of the coast down
from SF to the border and in about 20 miles, then the rest of the state.



And the non-coastal area would probably be GOP.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2018 02:23 PM (39g3+)

South of the Golden Gate to some point between L.A. and San Diego. Eastern boundary to be the height of land in the Coast Mountain range.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 15, 2018 02:34 PM (vUFR0)

82 Californians should embrace this guys solution--if they're so green-

A lawyer nationally known for being a champion of gay rights died after setting himself on fire in Prospect Park in Brooklyn early Saturday morning and leaving a note exhorting people to lead less selfish lives as a way to protect the planet, the police said.

www.nytimes.com

Posted by: Under Fire at April 15, 2018 02:34 PM (r9UYA)

83 One thing you can count on though, all of those illegals are going to migrate to the central valley "State" where all the farming is.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 02:33 PM (mpXpK)



My bet is that they migrate to where the Home Depots are.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 15, 2018 02:34 PM (kLBhp)

84 48
Thing is, that value holds up only as long as the exodus amounts to a trickle, and there are stay-behinds or newcomers enough to want to buy your home. When the trickle turns into a flood, and it will, home prices will crash hard. Count on it.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 15, 2018 02:23 PM (vUFR0)


Yeah, it's hard to see how real estate prices will stay high when it's just Jose the gardener and Maria the maid looking for housing.

Posted by: rickl at April 15, 2018 02:34 PM (sdi6R)

85 Another Middle East tragedy.

The Palestinian Islamic Jihad militant group said four of its members were killed in an apparent accidental blast in the Gaza Strip on Saturday.

The group said in a statement that it was "mourning its fighters who were martyred during preparations".

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2018 02:35 PM (+y/Ru)

86 I have lived in Southern CA most of my life and I completely agree that the state is going insane. Heartbreaking, really. It had so much going for it.

I went to my high school reunion yesterday and had to sit through the Head of School speaking proudly of how the students had organized to March on "March For Our Lives" day. And this is an all-girl private school! Diversity posters everywhere... it was ridiculous. It was not like that when I attended.

I can't leave yet, my aging parents are here. But I will be leaving someday and I promise to vote conservative, wherever I settle.

Posted by: Dr Alice at April 15, 2018 02:36 PM (LaT54)

87 I hate though that California "gets away" with their policies because there's industry there will never leave like Hollywood and Silicon Valley. Plus the weather is so amazing people will pt up with a lot.

If you tried those policies in any of the other states, it would collapse in short order. California though gets away with it.

The blue state future though are places like Illinois.

Posted by: Jackso at April 15, 2018 02:36 PM (uc45P)

88 No Skip, there are lots of non-sheep and non-idiots out here, it all depends on districts. Due to the state's size, as someone here noted recently there are more registered GOP voters than in most states, including large-ish red ones. And note that that is with the *CA* GOP, which is a parody of a bad, useless GOP.


The cowardice, stupidity, and mediocrity of the political class is a national calamity, and it's a large part of CA's problem. Just look at what happens when someone, somewhere, finally says "nope, no more" - as with the counties/cities rebelling on the idiotic "sanctuary" law.


Prop 8 passed easily (probiting marriage redefinition). In the idiotic, disastrous year of Obama. Which means the electorate that gave the affirmative action intern some ginormous majority *also* casually and comfortably rejected marriage redefinition. There's political information in that factoid.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 15, 2018 02:36 PM (QDnY+)

89 I'll bet that road coating gets slicker than owl hockey when it gets a layer of road grime or water on it.

But, human life is cheap to the left.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at April 15, 2018 02:36 PM (mn0Jm)

90 48
Thing is, that value holds up only as long as the exodus amounts to a trickle, and there are stay-behinds or newcomers enough to want to buy your home. When the trickle turns into a flood, and it will, home prices will crash hard. Count on it.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon


Faster please.

Posted by: Conservative Western WA Residents at April 15, 2018 02:37 PM (r9UYA)

91 So if Cali is actually split, what becomes of that paragon of environmental virtue, the California Air Resources Board?

Where will their "authority" then be?
Posted by: irongrampa at April 15, 2018 02:28 PM (S/hVx)

I hate those guys, I call them the clipboard people. They come and try to fine you on burn days.

They also make us crush perfectly good tractors in an exchange for part of the cost of a new tractor.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 15, 2018 02:37 PM (2DYau)

92
White streets will provide excellent contrast for blood, excrement, graffiti and skid marks from street racing.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 15, 2018 02:37 PM (9UOhl)

93
The group said in a statement that it was "mourning its fighters who were martyred during preparations".
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2018 02:35 PM


Martyred during preparations for martyrdom.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 15, 2018 02:37 PM (IqV8l)

94 lame brain idea

-
Speaking of which, didja see that the feds are auditing the high speed rail to nowhere project?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2018 02:38 PM (+y/Ru)

95 Homeless guys set the North State of California a few months ago, killed a bunch of people and wiped out billion$$$ in housing.

Posted by: torabora at April 15, 2018 02:39 PM (nr/Gb)

96 I thought I was jokingly writing a Dystopian Future story last night on the ONT.

But if California splits and the Left, the homeless, and the nut jobs stay in one spot it could really happen.

Five Nights at Freddy bellies up to a Droog milk bar during a Purge.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at April 15, 2018 02:39 PM (OTUGn)

97 I can't leave yet, my aging parents are here. But I will be leaving someday and I promise to vote conservative, wherever I settle.
Posted by: Dr Alice at April 15, 2018 02:36 PM (LaT54)

Your story is my story. Our parents live here.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 15, 2018 02:39 PM (2DYau)

98 Splitting up the country - or any of the several States - won't address the underlying problem.
Physical Removal of the problem, and of those who persist in creating it, will. And it's cheap and doesn't have to be messy. They leave, or they are driven out. Easy as that.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 15, 2018 02:40 PM (fA1SL)

99 Jackso, exactly.


I liken CA, politically, to a tourist restaurant with horrible food situated in a spectacular, world-beating location with a view. That's the dynamic. The state's natural and economic assets (the latter could have been located anywhere, they just happened to spring up here) keep things going *despite* the way things are run.


And recall how quickly this can happen. For decades CA had probably the best public administration, public goods, and outcomes of any state. Then - poof, every pathology known to today's America was either invented, borrowed, or rented, and pushed to the max.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 15, 2018 02:40 PM (QDnY+)

100 91 So if Cali is actually split, what becomes of that paragon of environmental virtue, the California Air Resources Board?

Where will their "authority" then be?
Posted by: irongrampa at April 15, 2018 02:28 PM (S/hVx)

I hate those guys, I call them the clipboard people. They come and try to fine you on burn days.

They also make us crush perfectly good tractors in an exchange for part of the cost of a new tractor.
Posted by: CaliGirl at April 15, 2018 02:37 PM (2DYau)

Yep... and they don't really care WHERE pollution comes from.

Pollution blows up the Central Valley, from the Bay Area...

But since OUR air quality is low, we have more stringent rules on us, then the Bay Area... that causes much of our pollution.

Posted by: Don Q. at April 15, 2018 02:40 PM (NgKpN)

101 11 I really should move. Zillow says my shitty little 2 bedroom ranchstyle is worth a million dollars now. That can buy a lot of house most other places. But both my and my wife's entire family is here.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 15, 2018 02:08 PM (toi7g)


I hear ya. If not for my elderly parents and my siblings, California would be just a memory for me by now. This state has been turning into Brazil (minus the fun parts) for decades.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 15, 2018 02:41 PM (h2Bdk)

102 I can't leave yet, my aging parents are here. But I
will be leaving someday and I promise to vote conservative, wherever I
settle.

Posted by: Dr Alice at April 15, 2018 02:36 PM (LaT54)

Bring your aging parents with you! Explain to them that living in Cali is no longer tenable, period.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 15, 2018 02:41 PM (vUFR0)

103 @15 Do not allow California to split into 3 states. That would be 6 Commie senators instard of 2. No. No. No. This is rewarding bad behavior.
-------------------

This.

Sacramento's been so over the top lately that I'm finally starting to come around to the idea of splitting up my home state (I've been resistant in the past). But the plan that's been mentioned in various places over the last week or two would merely give the Dems four new Senators. It would more or less preserve blue dominance across all three of the new states. Sacramento and the Bay Area would continue to dominate the northern state. Los Angeles would dominate the middle state. And only the southern state, with San Diego, might come close to letting Republicans have a say in what's going on.

This current plan is a bad one.

Posted by: junior at April 15, 2018 02:41 PM (0GIo5)

104
So apparently a few Palis failed Bomb making 101.

Tsk.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 15, 2018 02:41 PM (S/hVx)

105 "Homeless guys set the North State of California a few months ago"

Oh yeah, that. Well, did they burn any bridges?

Posted by: f'd at April 15, 2018 02:41 PM (UdKB7)

106
Texas welcomes all California Morons and 'Ettes. The rest of the population of the state, not so much.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 15, 2018 02:41 PM (9UOhl)

107 97 I can't leave yet, my aging parents are here. But I will be leaving someday and I promise to vote conservative, wherever I settle.
Posted by: Dr Alice at April 15, 2018 02:36 PM (LaT54)

Your story is my story. Our parents live here.
Posted by: CaliGirl at April 15, 2018 02:39 PM (2DYau)

Yup... only reason I'm here it to keep Mom in the Family home.... mainly because we could not blast her out if we wanted...

Posted by: Don Q. at April 15, 2018 02:42 PM (NgKpN)

108 87
I hate though that California "gets away" with their policies because
there's industry there will never leave like Hollywood and Silicon
Valley. Plus the weather is so amazing people will pt up with a lot.



If you tried those policies in any of the other states, it would collapse in short order. California though gets away with it.



The blue state future though are places like Illinois.

Posted by: Jackso at April 15, 2018 02:36 PM (uc45P)

Whoreywood is already trickling out. A lot of movies are now being made in the SE where unions and eco-Nazis are not prolific. it is a lot cheaper to make a movie in SC than CA.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 02:42 PM (mpXpK)

109 Limited time offer:
Nation looking to trade parts of border state to adjacent neighbor. Willing to trade for high tech border fence along national boundary and instantaneous return of border jumpers by bus or catapult. If interested, have ambassador contact US Government in Washington,DC.
Hurry. Act now and we'll throw in Disneyland and Disney at no charge for just shipping and handling!

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at April 15, 2018 02:43 PM (e1mEI)

110 Pollution blows up the Central Valley, from the Bay Area...

But since OUR air quality is low, we have more stringent rules on us, then the Bay Area... that causes much of our pollution.
Posted by: Don Q. at April 15, 2018 02:40 PM (NgKpN)

California has lost its mind.

My husband is from the valley, Lemoore.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 15, 2018 02:43 PM (2DYau)

111 Bring your aging parents with you! Explain to them that living in Cali is no longer tenable, period.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 15, 2018 02:41 PM (vUFR0)

Non workable... Dad's buried here.....

Posted by: Don Q. at April 15, 2018 02:44 PM (NgKpN)

112 In my job, WC litigation, CA is definitely split in two between Northern and Southern CA. Either way it's crazy though.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 15, 2018 02:44 PM (s9DTK)

113 The group said in a statement that it was "mourning its fighters who were martyred during preparations".

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2018 02:35 PM (+y/Ru)

Israel should use Preparation H as a chemical weapon against Pali terrorists. It's supposed to shrink hemorrhoids, after all.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 15, 2018 02:45 PM (vUFR0)

114 "Bring out yer dead!"

Posted by: Homeless Census Taker at April 15, 2018 02:45 PM (aTveC)

115 I wouldn't be betting on any cataclysmic economic or certainly real estate bust in CA (the more desirable parts).


Apart from the phenomenon that people simply will pay more to live in those areas - and it's reached levels that have economists scratching their heads as to affordability - there is big foreign money.


The world wealth explosion means there are plenty of people from abroad with plenty of $$$, who don't give a f**k about gun laws, or idiotic environmental shake-downs, or scandalous education situations. In prestige real estate areas (which now extends far beyond the ones you've all heard of), foreign buyers/investors are plentiful.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 15, 2018 02:45 PM (QDnY+)

116 "Zillow says my shitty little 2 bedroom ranchstyle is worth a million dollars now."

Wow. For half that you could get a really nice 2500 sq ft house on a hundred acres with a barn and pond in some parts of the SE.

Posted by: f'd at April 15, 2018 02:46 PM (UdKB7)

117 Yup... only reason I'm here it to keep Mom in the Family home.... mainly because we could not blast her out if we wanted...
Posted by: Don Q. at April 15, 2018 02:42 PM (NgKpN)

We are in Ag, we are much too old to stop now. We have maybe 7 -10 years before we retire. If we had an offer to sell we would think about it.

We feel loyalty to our employees, I can't liquidate, that would be wrong.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 15, 2018 02:46 PM (2DYau)

118
CA can only be split between East and West. To put LA and SF in different states means those cities will dominate the new states.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 15, 2018 02:46 PM (9UOhl)

119 118


CA can only be split between East and West. To put LA and SF in
different states means those cities will dominate the new states.



Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 15, 2018 02:46 PM (9UOhl)

Look at the map I posted above. Those are both in the coastal strip.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 02:48 PM (mpXpK)

120
Yep, looks gerrymandered to me.

Maybe the US could say, well, you are just territories now.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2018 02:48 PM (r+sAi)

121 Question 7 : Number of uneaten pets?

Posted by: Homeless Census Taker at April 15, 2018 02:48 PM (aTveC)

122 Okay I'm slow. Is DIABLO an acronym for something political? Because it's like the 5th most used word on this site.

Posted by: Corona at April 15, 2018 02:48 PM (MceDl)

123 Non workable... Dad's buried here.....

Posted by: Don Q. at April 15, 2018 02:44 PM (NgKpN)

I refer you to Tom Servo's post at 70.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 15, 2018 02:48 PM (vUFR0)

124 Non workable... Dad's buried here.....
Posted by: Don Q. at April 15, 2018 02:44 PM (NgKpN)

Mine is too, along with grandparents, great grandparents etc. My mother and my MIL aren't moving.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 15, 2018 02:49 PM (2DYau)

125 122
Okay I'm slow. Is DIABLO an acronym for something political? Because it's like the 5th most used word on this site.


Posted by: Corona at April 15, 2018 02:48 PM (MceDl)


DemocratInAllButLabelOnly

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 02:49 PM (mpXpK)

126 Everyone but the Horde stay away from Texas. What few trolls we get dragged in with you we will dispatch and cure.

OT: Why are New York license plates so butt ugly? For ever and always been hideous.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at April 15, 2018 02:49 PM (AaZnB)

127
Zillow says my shitty little 2 bedroom ranchstyle is worth a million dollars now.

Actually, the land your house sits on is worth a million dollars.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 15, 2018 02:49 PM (9UOhl)

128 The top executive of a Southern California private charter airline says the Golden State's hostile business environment propelled his company's decision to relocate to Texas.

"Not being viewed as an enemy, but being viewed as an asset is so refreshing," said Alex Wilcox, Chief Executive Officer of JetSuite Inc., who, on Thursday, spoke to the Dallas Business Journal. He described the air carrier's decision to move to North Texas this summer as a "welcome change."

Boy, what kind of a nut is he?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2018 02:49 PM (+y/Ru)

129 117
We feel loyalty to our employees, I can't liquidate, that would be wrong.
Posted by: CaliGirl at April 15, 2018 02:46 PM (2DYau)


But how do your employees vote? That would be a consideration for me, if I was in your shoes.

Posted by: rickl at April 15, 2018 02:49 PM (sdi6R)

130 Damn, Pixy ate all my hard returns.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 02:50 PM (mpXpK)

131 REMOVE QUINOA!

Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 02:50 PM (NWiLs)

132 Non workable... Dad's buried here.....

types/deletes

Posted by: Corona at April 15, 2018 02:50 PM (MceDl)

133 I liken CA, politically, to a tourist restaurant with horrible food situated in a spectacular, world-beating location with a view.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 15, 2018 02:40 PM (QDnY+)

That reminds me, if you ever are in California, don't go to the "world's most scenic Taco Bell" on the beach in Pacifica. I haven't been there myself, but from what I hear you have to wait an hour in line with a bunch of tourists for horrible food.

Posted by: Surfperch at April 15, 2018 02:50 PM (ZA0d5)

134 Thanks Vic!

Posted by: Corona at April 15, 2018 02:51 PM (MceDl)

135 131. Yep. Solve a good many of California's problems that way.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 15, 2018 02:51 PM (fA1SL)

136 REMOVE QUINOA
REMOVE CAL-BAB
REMOVE AZTEC

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 15, 2018 02:52 PM (fA1SL)

137 I really should move. Zillow says my shitty little 2 bedroom ranchstyle is worth a million dollars now. That can buy a lot of house most other places. But both my and my wife's entire family is here.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 15, 2018 02:08 PM (toi7g)



In my neighborhood everybody's house is worth a million bucks. And this is a neighborhood that Mr. Moo Moo wouldn't be caught dead in.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 15, 2018 02:52 PM (kLBhp)

138 134
Thanks Vic!


Posted by: Corona at April 15, 2018 02:51 PM (MceDl)

Under my rating system CR/ACU rating < 90 is RINO. < 50 is DIABLO.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 02:52 PM (mpXpK)

139 "Most scenic Taco Bell" really?

A fool and their money are truly soon parted.

At go to In-n-Out Burgers while visiting California.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at April 15, 2018 02:52 PM (OTUGn)

140
Seen in a control room of a Gulf Coast chemical unit: "I don't care how you did it up North."

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 15, 2018 02:53 PM (9UOhl)

141 But how do your employees vote? That would be a consideration for me, if I was in your shoes.
Posted by: rickl at April 15, 2018 02:49 PM (sdi6R)

We are all conservative. There may be an office girl that isn't but they aren't the ones I feel such a sense loyalty to. They come and go.

I'm talking about the people that have been with us for 25 years or more.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 15, 2018 02:53 PM (2DYau)

142 Questions no one asks:

These people are homeless and don't have jobs. Why shouldn't they be convinced to live in areas with cheaper housing?
The homeless say they don't want to live in shelters (mainly because they can't do drugs in shelters). Why do they keep building shelters?

The homeless are a problem in areas where regulation inhibits new construction and laws favor tenants over landlords. Why is this issue never discussed?

Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 15, 2018 02:53 PM (Lqy/e)

143 142 The homeless are a problem in areas where regulation
inhibits new construction and laws favor tenants over landlords. Why is
this issue never discussed?

Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 15, 2018 02:53 PM (Lqy/e)

One of CA's worst problems is stupid green space laws.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 02:55 PM (mpXpK)

144 I live in the Peoples Republic Of California (the High Desert
area of San Bernardino.) Homelessness was the original
"sanctuary city" movement. In the deep blue cities, even
wealthy cities like Santa Monica rolled out the welcome
mat for the homeless. This happened decades before
they conceived the idea of welcoming and sheltering
illegal aliens.

This has always been about boosting the census numbers
to reap federal funding and provide the Democrat party
with an endless number of voters in their quest for a
one-party state. Every election year the Donks troll
the convalescent hospitals, homeless encampments,
and minority neighborhoods and the like and not only
register them to vote, they even fill out their absentee
ballots. For the Democrats, politics is a blood sport
and any form of election fraud comes under their
philosophy of the ends justifying the means.

They even set up registration booths at swearing-in
ceremonies for new citizens. The Republican party
will continue to lose elections unless the swamp can
be drained. We cannot win using the Marquis de
Queensbury rules. In any fight, the winner will
always be the most ruthless, cunningest, dirtiest
fighter.

Posted by: Leonard Jones at April 15, 2018 02:56 PM (mxgwX)

145 Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 15, 2018 02:53 PM (Lqy/e)

I don't know the answer to any of these difficult questions.

However one single solitary Catholic nun made it her mission to help the homeless. And now 25 years after Project Home was launched by Sr. Mary Scullion, thousands of homeless have found shelter and even employment through her organization's efforts. She attracted the attention of Jon Bon Jovi, who started a foundation of his own to aid the homeless population.

I've often wondered why Sr. Mary's template hasn't been followed in other areas of the country.

Posted by: kallisto at April 15, 2018 02:56 PM (kD8Fh)

146 @142


It's not just the items that you listed. It's also that "homeless advocates" keep filing lawsuits that end with judges stating that the local counties have to take action to "help" all of the homeless living in their counties.

Posted by: junior at April 15, 2018 02:59 PM (sBL/Z)

147 I've often wondered why Sr. Mary's template hasn't been followed in other areas of the country.
Posted by: kallisto at April 15, 2018 02:56 PM (kD8Fh)



Because governmental intervention eclipses private efforts to do anything substantial. And government intervention always makes things worse by subsidizing behavior that shouldn't be supported.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 15, 2018 02:59 PM (kLBhp)

148 145. Easy. Nobody gets wealth or power doing things that way.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 15, 2018 02:59 PM (fA1SL)

149 Republican senators are a myth. Look at the assholes who are "republicans" in the current Senate.

Posted by: Monk at April 15, 2018 02:59 PM (1qRK9)

150 Portland does the same thing. They like to say the Gorge is being polluted by a coal fired electrical plant in Boardman. It's ridiculous. The entire area is being polluted by Portland, especially since they think bicycle lanes and light rail are more important than highways.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 15, 2018 03:00 PM (Lqy/e)

151 148 145. Easy. Nobody gets wealth or power doing things that way.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine at April 15, 2018 02:59 PM (fA1SL)

Or laid. Except for Bon Jovi.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 03:00 PM (NWiLs)

152 I don't think the permanent homeless, as opposed to people temporarily down on their luck, are homeless as a result of housing policies. My encounters with them indicate that they mostly are an assortment of the mentally ill, drug addicts, and antisocial ne'er-do-wells who can't of won't conform to societal norms. No policy is going to solve that other than maybe firing squads. Even in red states like mine, an enormous amount of resources are spent on the homeless. We're just subsidizing them.

Posted by: Bear on Assymetrical Balls at April 15, 2018 03:01 PM (H5knJ)

153 To repeat the question, why not division initiatives, or even discussions (completely unrealistic as this one is) about states with much cleaner, starker political splits? Which abound.


Unless there's a clean, almost guaranteed partisan-neutral impact (i.e. one D and one R senate delegation added), they'd all be as dead-letter as DC statehood or CA splitting up.


But off-hand I can think of several like that: IL, WA, OR, even NY.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 15, 2018 03:01 PM (QDnY+)

154 Damn formatting.

Posted by: Spiny Norman at April 15, 2018 03:01 PM (YJhzI)

155 Someone please show Spiny Norman to the barrel.

Posted by: Bear on Assymetrical Balls at April 15, 2018 03:01 PM (H5knJ)

156 If we solved the homeless problem they wouldn't be a conduit of federal funds, resultant corruption and pre-filled ballots.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at April 15, 2018 03:02 PM (AaZnB)

157 I don't know the answer to any of these difficult questions.

However one single solitary Catholic nun made it her mission to help the homeless. And now 25 years after Project Home was launched by Sr. Mary Scullion, thousands of homeless have found shelter and even employment through her organization's efforts. She attracted the attention of Jon Bon Jovi, who started a foundation of his own to aid the homeless population.

I've often wondered why Sr. Mary's template hasn't been followed in other areas of the country.
Posted by: kallisto at April 15, 2018 02:56 PM (kD8Fh)

Because there is a global and domestic war on Christianity and anything related to it.

Posted by: Monk at April 15, 2018 03:02 PM (1qRK9)

158 Republican senators are a myth. Look at the assholes who are "republicans" in the current Senate.

-
Reptilian > Republican

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2018 03:02 PM (+y/Ru)

159 R's are moving out of CA., as they should.

Idaho is the fastest growing state in the nation. 85% of new arrivals (2017) are from CA.

Registered R voters in the state has EXPLODED since January 2014.

We need more R"s from CA. (and NY, IL etc) to move to states like NV and CO.

We could turn them red fairly easily.

Posted by: ha at April 15, 2018 03:02 PM (MAstk)

160 153 I don't think the permanent homeless, as opposed to people temporarily down on their luck, are homeless as a result of housing policies. My encounters with them indicate that they mostly are an assortment of the mentally ill, drug addicts, and antisocial ne'er-do-wells who can't of won't conform to societal norms. No policy is going to solve that other than maybe firing squads. Even in red states like mine, an enormous amount of resources are spent on the homeless. We're just subsidizing them.
Posted by: Bear on Assymetrical Balls at April 15, 2018 03:01 PM (H5knJ)

I've met a few who really were trying to get their shit together but had just been dealt a really fucking awful hand. But loads of them are in one or more of the latter three categories you described.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 03:02 PM (NWiLs)

161 Someone please show Spiny Norman to the barrel.
Posted by: Bear on Assymetrical Balls at April 15, 2018 03:01 PM (H5knJ)




He's new. Everyone's entitled to blow the margins once.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 15, 2018 03:03 PM (kLBhp)

162 Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 03:00 PM (NWiLs)

He became "woke" to the homeless problem one day when he looked out his Philly luxury hotel window to the street below. (He was in town for a show). He saw a woman and her children begging on the street.

So, he did what any socially conscious rock star/idol/icon would do: He sent his roadie to go talk to the lady and see what her story was.

That's how the Bon Jovi foundation for the poor got its start.

Posted by: kallisto at April 15, 2018 03:03 PM (kD8Fh)

163 So how DOES one post links here? I tried to use tinyurl, but my comment was rejected entirely. I swear it worked before.

Posted by: Spiny Norman at April 15, 2018 03:03 PM (YJhzI)

164 161 I've met a few who really were trying to get their
shit together but had just been dealt a really fucking awful hand. But
loads of them are in one or more of the latter three categories you
described.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 03:02 PM (NWiLs)

most of them are alcoholics or people who were kicked out of the mental hospitals because of the ACLU.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 03:03 PM (mpXpK)

165 Yeah, lack of effective and compassionate private efforts are not, I think, a significant factor, nor even housing prices, in the homeless explosion.


These are not "Hoover-villes", for the most part.


I'm sure some field work has been done to give some level of description of the current homeless. But I'd be shocked, based on past studies, experience, and common sense if the "economically homeless" were a significant factor.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 15, 2018 03:04 PM (QDnY+)

166 Well at least he didn't blow a seal.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at April 15, 2018 03:04 PM (OTUGn)

167 Utah has some interesting programs to deal with the homeless. They do involve the idea of the homeless finding jobs and supporting themselves. Portland should focus on helping those that want to work and quit pretending that the others are homeless from anything but choice. We should not subsidize people that want to tweak and panhandle.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 15, 2018 03:05 PM (Lqy/e)

168
Don't get me started on bicycle lanes. Know what you never see in one? Bicycles.

Meanwhile to create a bike lane the other lanes are made narrower. The bicycles, of course, ride on the sidewalk.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 15, 2018 03:05 PM (9UOhl)

169 He's new. Everyone's entitled to blow the margins once.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 15, 2018 03:03 PM (kLBhp).
I'm not that new (been lurking for at least a decade), and I've posted before..
(I'm not seeing blown margins in Pale Moon at the moment.)...
Returning to lurking...

Posted by: Spiny Norman at April 15, 2018 03:05 PM (YJhzI)

170 As a denizen of the Central Valley, I will be voting to break CA up into 3 states. I hope it's my last thumb in the eye to the powers that be before the wife and I head to TX.

We're so completely fed up with the foolishness of this state that, absent a miracle, we're gone.

Posted by: Blake at April 15, 2018 03:05 PM (WEBkv)

171 "Okay"

"Line it up, people. "

"Freeway exit meth-head panhandlers with sh1t-smeared 'Homeless Vet , Anything Will Help, Thank You' signs sleeping under bridges on this side."

"Tent-squatting one-eyed alcoholic street poopers on this side.

Posted by: Homeless Census Taker at April 15, 2018 03:06 PM (aTveC)

172 Dinsdale!

Posted by: f'd at April 15, 2018 03:06 PM (UdKB7)

173 ha, you might know (since garrett's not here to ask), what's the deal with MT next door? Seems that the influx there is Colorado-izing it, not reinforcing it.


I'm surprised and encouraged to hear ID is not being ruined by the influx, if that's what you're saying.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 15, 2018 03:06 PM (QDnY+)

174 139 "Most scenic Taco Bell" really?

A fool and their money are truly soon parted.

At go to In-n-Out Burgers while visiting California.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at April 15, 2018 02:52 PM (OTUGn)

What makes it most ridiculous is that it's on a public beach.

I could write a book with all the idiotic things tourists do in and around The City.

Posted by: Surfperch at April 15, 2018 03:06 PM (ZA0d5)

175 171 We're so completely fed up with the foolishness of this state that, absent a miracle, we're gone.

Posted by: Blake at April 15, 2018 03:05 PM (WEBkv)


I left CA in 1977 and have never looked back.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 03:06 PM (mpXpK)

176 Portland does the same thing. They like to say the
Gorge is being polluted by a coal fired electrical plant in Boardman.
It's ridiculous. The entire area is being polluted by Portland,
especially since they think bicycle lanes and light rail are more
important than highways.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 15, 2018 03:00 PM (Lqy/e)

The wind nearly always blows up the Gorge, not down it. Driven through there many, many times.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 15, 2018 03:06 PM (vUFR0)

177 Posted by: Spiny Norman at April 15, 2018 03:05 PM (YJhzI)

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Yo.

Didn't you also post at Protein Wisdom?

Posted by: Blake at April 15, 2018 03:07 PM (WEBkv)

178 170 He's new. Everyone's entitled to blow the margins once.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 15, 2018 03:03 PM (kLBhp).
I'm not that new (been lurking for at least a decade), and I've posted before..
(I'm not seeing blown margins in Pale Moon at the moment.)...
Returning to lurking...
Posted by: Spiny Norman at April 15, 2018 03:05 PM (YJhzI)

Happens to people on mobile devices. When you post super long links or unbroken strings of text it blows the margins out and makes the site damn near impossible to read. The rule of thumb to avoid it is to use bitly or tinyurl for anything longer than a YouTube link.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 03:07 PM (NWiLs)

179 Retry State of Jefferson links in tinyurl...
.
.

https://tinyurl.com/nmxezds
.
.

https://tinyurl.com/lbrvfac

Posted by: Spiny Norman at April 15, 2018 03:09 PM (YJhzI)

180 it doesn't look any better from the inside...

trust me on this.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 15, 2018 03:09 PM (MmMhO)

181 I don't think the permanent homeless, as opposed to
people temporarily down on their luck, are homeless as a result of
housing policies. My encounters with them indicate that they mostly are
an assortment of the mentally ill, drug addicts, and antisocial
ne'er-do-wells who can't of won't conform to societal norms. No policy
is going to solve that other than maybe firing squads. Even in red
states like mine, an enormous amount of resources are spent on the
homeless. We're just subsidizing them.

Posted by: Bear on Assymetrical Balls at April 15, 2018 03:01 PM (H5knJ)

Exactly. "Homeless" is just a euphemism for bum, or parasite.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 15, 2018 03:10 PM (vUFR0)

182 Happens to people on mobile devices. When you post super long links or unbroken strings of text it blows the margins out and makes the site damn near impossible to read. The rule of thumb to avoid it is to use bitly or tinyurl for anything longer than a YouTube link.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2018 03:07 PM (NWiLs)

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There's always the old stand-by of copying from a Word doc or web page into the site.

We won't discuss how I learned that, umm, trick.

Posted by: Blake at April 15, 2018 03:10 PM (WEBkv)

183 Addendum to #160

Nevada 22016

Hillary won by 27k votes.

D's had 120k more registered voters then.

Now it's down to 96k.



R's are moving there from CA.

Posted by: ha at April 15, 2018 03:11 PM (MAstk)

184 183 There's always the old stand-by of copying from a Word doc or web page into the site.



We won't discuss how I learned that, umm, trick.

Posted by: Blake at April 15, 2018 03:10 PM (WEBkv)

If you copy from a Word doc since ace upgraded the servers a few years ago it created a who string of gibberish. Doesn't do that with Open office though.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 03:11 PM (mpXpK)

185 Is there going to be a gun thread today?

Posted by: lin-duh at April 15, 2018 03:12 PM (kufk0)

186 California is a danger to itself and others.

Time for involuntary commitment.

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at April 15, 2018 03:12 PM (hMwEB)

187 Got Win 7 up and finally up to date and TurboTax going. SSDs are the stuff.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 15, 2018 03:12 PM (Dp6qK)

188 Aaaand a lot of these Californians will settle in new states and vote for the very same stuff that ruined CA.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 15, 2018 02:09 PM (W+vEI)




That's the pure genius of these people. How they can't or won't figure that out, but like locust they'll destroy another state and the move on

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 15, 2018 03:13 PM (SiINZ)

189 Exactly. "Homeless" is just a euphemism for bum, or parasite.


Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April

We used to call them vegrants. Always nasty.

Posted by: Infidel at April 15, 2018 03:14 PM (a3OL0)

190 (I'm not seeing blown margins in Pale Moon at the moment.)...
Returning to lurking...


Posted by: Spiny Norman at April 15, 2018 03:05 PM (YJhzI)

I am on Pale Moon, and not seeing blown margins, either. It's the people who insist upon browsing with "smart" phones with their shitty browsers who are doing the complaining. Viewing AOS on a phone is like watching porn through a telescope turned backwards.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 15, 2018 03:14 PM (vUFR0)

191 That's the pure genius of these people. How they can't or won't figure that out, but like locust they'll destroy another state and the move on
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 15, 2018 03:13 PM (SiINZ)
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I think that's somewhat of a fallacy, because I'm pretty sure a lot of R's are leaving too.

Posted by: Blake at April 15, 2018 03:14 PM (WEBkv)

192 fun factoid that the city didn't note when they started this latest idiocy of painting the streets white.

if they do enough of it, it may very well reduce the amount of rain we get locally. the talking head of the DWP about shit himself when i mentioned that at the meeting this last week where he was preening over their stupidity.

https://www.insidescience.org/news/white-rooftops
-lower-temperature-reduce-rainfall

link to paper at the bottom of the page, for those of you who want the full monty of Science!

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 15, 2018 03:14 PM (MmMhO)

193 186
Is there going to be a gun thread today?



Posted by: lin-duh at April 15, 2018 03:12 PM (kufk0)

gun thread usually doesn't come around until 7:30

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 03:15 PM (mpXpK)

194 They just refuse to admit the truth. The homeless increase BECAUSE of the billions spent on them, not IN SPITE OF.

This maddening denial is one reason I think any thought of improvement is hopeless. Curley Effect in action.

Posted by: PJ at April 15, 2018 03:15 PM (qlTN9)

195 While still pessimistic (and that applies to the country and most of you other states), mildly curious to see if the rebellion against the idiotic "sanctuary" law represents a corpse twitch or even a mild pendulum stop, if not reverse of direction.


Sane CA people have had no leadership from above for a generation, it might be interesting to see what happens with the first push-back in memory.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 15, 2018 03:15 PM (QDnY+)

196 182 I don't think the permanent homeless, as opposed to
people temporarily down on their luck, are homeless as a result of
housing policies. My encounters with them indicate that they mostly are
an assortment of the mentally ill, drug addicts, and antisocial
ne'er-do-wells who can't of won't conform to societal norms. No policy
is going to solve that other than maybe firing squads. Even in red
states like mine, an enormous amount of resources are spent on the
homeless. We're just subsidizing them.

Posted by: Bear on Assymetrical Balls at April 15, 2018 03:01 PM (H5knJ)

Exactly. "Homeless" is just a euphemism for bum, or parasite.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 15, 2018 03:10 PM (vUFR0)

+++

My DIL's brother is a case in point. He is now 30 and has had a drug habit since 18. His father owns a gorgeous house and has begged his son to live with him. Free board, food, clothes, even alcohol, but no drugs. The son loves, loves, loves living on the streets in Portland instead, and was all stoked just recently because he nabbed a tent!

Posted by: washrivergal at April 15, 2018 03:15 PM (tcwn1)

197 grr, vagrants.

Posted by: Infidel at April 15, 2018 03:15 PM (a3OL0)

198
Nothing wrong with refusing to abandon your state because of familial ties.

SOMEONE with a modicum of sanity and responsibility has to be there to administer the place post apocalypse. lest things fall back into the same mess.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 15, 2018 03:16 PM (S/hVx)

199 You hear the Usual Suspects calling the president a war-monger while simultaneously blaming him for not invading. Which is like saying 'If you can't solve every problem, you shouldn't solve any problem."

Which reminds of people who flee California and then vote for the same policies that made them flee.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at April 15, 2018 03:17 PM (/4bOy)

200 My DIL's brother is a case in point. He is now 30 and has had a drug habit since 18. His father owns a gorgeous house and has begged his son to live with him. Free board, food, clothes, even alcohol, but no drugs. The son loves, loves, loves living on the streets in Portland instead, and was all stoked just recently because he nabbed a tent!
Posted by: washrivergal at April 15, 2018 03:15 PM (tcwn1)

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Is DIL's brother on the prayer list? Would you like prayers for him?

Posted by: Blake at April 15, 2018 03:17 PM (WEBkv)

201 fun thread over at WUWT where the locals savage the white streets idea

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/04/10/l
a-painting-streets-white-to-prevent-global-warming/

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 15, 2018 03:17 PM (MmMhO)

202 I think that's somewhat of a fallacy, because I'm pretty sure a lot of R's are leaving too.

Posted by: Blake at April 15, 2018 03:14 PM (WEBkv)



Republicans/conservatives are leaving Illinois as fast as they can and leaving the state and even bigger blue hellhole. Hopefully keeping states like Wisconsin red. I'm sure Republicans are leaving Commiefornia, but I've heard stories of Californians bringing their lefty politics with them.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 15, 2018 03:17 PM (SiINZ)

203
grr, vagrants.

Posted by: Infidel at April 15, 2018 03:15 PM (a3OL0)

Yeah. Vegrants were GM compact cars with steering issues.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 15, 2018 03:18 PM (vUFR0)

204 154---But off-hand I can think of several like that: IL, WA, OR, even NY.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 15, 2018 03:01 PM (QDnY+)
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Virginia. If you take off the 2 suburban-DC counties, i.e., Arlington and Fairfax, Trump would have (narrowly) won the state.

It wouldn't be bright red---you still have a lot of voters that fit the kneejerk-D demographic --- but all statewide races would be competitive.

If, God forbid, DC ever gets to be a state, they damned well better give them the DC suburbs too.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 15, 2018 03:18 PM (0jtPF)

205 Didn't California try like a decade ago to outlaw dark colored cars in order to save the planet?

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at April 15, 2018 03:19 PM (OTUGn)

206 i have it on VERY good authority that, not only will there be a gub thread, but that it is chock full of stuff too.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 15, 2018 03:19 PM (MmMhO)

207 Republicans/conservatives are leaving Illinois as fast as they can and leaving the state and even bigger blue hellhole. Hopefully keeping states like Wisconsin red. I'm sure Republicans are leaving Commiefornia, but I've heard stories of Californians bringing their lefty politics with them.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 15, 2018 03:17 PM (SiINZ)

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I have no doubt a liberal invasion is happening but I would hope it's not just liberal idiots, but I repeat myself, who are fleeing to other states.

Posted by: Blake at April 15, 2018 03:19 PM (WEBkv)

208 Great!

I can't wait until they run out of financial smoke and mirrors and the whole house of cards comes a tumbling down.

Sow and reap, reap and sow.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 15, 2018 03:19 PM (EoRCO)

209 SOMEONE with a modicum of sanity and responsibility
has to be there to administer the place post apocalypse. lest things
fall back into the same mess.


Posted by: irongrampa at April 15, 2018 03:16 PM (S/hVx)

Naw, You move back in and re-colonize the place after the Great Die-Off.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 15, 2018 03:19 PM (vUFR0)

210 Here's the other thing they like to do, they get rid of flophouses, either through gentrification or regulation. They outlaw boarding houses. They restrict trailer parks. For some reason, they think it's better for folks to live in tents. We have four people living in mobile homes at our river place. (The city rezoned it as "park", without notifying us.). These folks will all need to find a new place to live, as we are selling that place, but at least they aren't parked on the street right now.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 15, 2018 03:19 PM (Lqy/e)

211 Way out west, they got a name
For rain and wind and fire
The rain is Tess, the fire's joe and
They call the nuts California

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2018 03:20 PM (+y/Ru)

212 Naw, You move back in and re-colonize the place after the Great Die-Off.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 15, 2018 03:19 PM (vUFR0)

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Cut. Jib. Newsletter?

Posted by: Blake at April 15, 2018 03:20 PM (WEBkv)

213 Exactly. "Homeless" is just a euphemism for bum, or parasite.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 15, 2018 03:10 PM"

We have an ex-sherrif who's a pretty good public speaker, is pretty well known in the area now that he's retired (and he's a hoot to listen to) He ran the county jail here for 30 years, from the late 70's til about 2008, and he will say that when he started, he would always have a few mentally ill inmates. But by the time he retired, he estimated that 50% - 75% of the county jail population had at least some level of mental illness, and that it made it incredibly difficult since the jailers were now supposed to be psychiatrists and medication managers and it was an impossible task for them to keep up with.

He convincingly makes the case that starting in the 60's, we have simply abandoned most treatment for the indigent mentally ill, and just leave them to wander around on the streets until they break the law in some way (which most will) at which point it becomes the job of the county jail to warehouse them, until their sentence is up, at which point they get sent back to the streets and the whole cycle repeats. It's a terrible, terrible system, probably about as bad as when the English used to lock their mentally ill into Bedlam so they could ignore them.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 15, 2018 03:21 PM (V2Yro)

214
Back to scrubbing down the pens in the kennel. Were I to tell Her Majesty I am violating a precept of the Church by doing servile labor on a Sunday, she would probably clang a cast-iron frying pan off my noggin.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 15, 2018 03:21 PM (M2YDD)

215 They just need put under a Judicial ReStrangement Order.

Somethings borked in the googleputer or I'd link a vid.

Posted by: RickMoranis at April 15, 2018 03:21 PM (FhXTo)

216 205 If, God forbid, DC ever gets to be a state, they damned well better give them the DC suburbs too.





Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 15, 2018 03:18 PM (0jtPF)

DC will never be a State even if Republicans were stupid enough to vote for it. It would take a Constitutional Amendment and it would never be ratified.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 03:22 PM (mpXpK)

217 R's are moving there from CA.

Posted by: ha at April 15, 2018 03:11 PM (MAstk)

And according to the collective wisdom of the blogosphere, all voting liberal Democrat.....
For what it's worth, the Victor Valley Daily Press is my hometown newspaper. There are a LOT of Rs packing up and leaving this area. All of them I've met are headed to AZ, TX or ID (one couple is moving to MI to take care of her elderly parents). The demographics in the "tri-city" area have changed dramatically over the past 20 years (partly due to large Section 8 rent subsidy increases), and I'd be very surprised if "non-Hispanic white" will be a majority in Victorville, Apple Valley or Hesperia in the 2020 Census.

Posted by: Spiny Norman at April 15, 2018 03:22 PM (YJhzI)

218 Is DIL's brother on the prayer list? Would you like prayers for him?

Posted by: Blake at April 15, 2018 03:17 PM (WEBkv)

+++

What a kind thought. I guess I've only been angry with him because I see what it does to his family. They give him money and clean, new clothes all of the time. And he only gets in touch with them when he needs a handout.

Posted by: washrivergal at April 15, 2018 03:22 PM (tcwn1)

219 206 Maybe it was the idea of painting all roofs white. I remember a story about that some time ago.

Posted by: Infidel at April 15, 2018 03:23 PM (a3OL0)

220 I really should move. Zillow says my shitty little 2 bedroom ranchstyle
is worth a million dollars now. That can buy a lot of house most other
places. But both my and my wife's entire family is here.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 15, 2018 02:08 PM (toi7g)



Sell, and start renting.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 15, 2018 03:23 PM (yQpMk)

221 211 We have four people living in mobile homes at our
river place. (The city rezoned it as "park", without notifying us.).
These folks will all need to find a new place to live, as we are selling
that place, but at least they aren't parked on the street right now.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 15, 2018 03:19 PM (Lqy/e)

How can a city rezone private property as a public park? That sounds like an "illegal taking" as defined by a SCOTUS ruling a few years ago.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 03:24 PM (mpXpK)

222 Calls are growing for a boycott of the Starbucks coffee shop chain after police were filmed arresting two black men waiting for a friend in a branch in Philadelphia.

Under the #BoycottStarbucks hastag on Twitter, people accused the chain's employees of racially profiling the men, and criticised police for arresting them when they refused to leave.




Oh yes, liberals please boycott Shitbucks and Farcebook while you're at it. Let's shut all of the lefty dens down

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 15, 2018 03:25 PM (SiINZ)

223 I can't wait to visit California to ride the bullet train.

Or whatever scam they are calling it today.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 15, 2018 03:25 PM (EoRCO)

224 40 years ago, when we were all going to die in the coming ice age, there was a plan to cover the poles in some kind of black substance to absorb heat. Cooler heads prevailed.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2018 03:25 PM (+y/Ru)

225 184---R's are moving there from CA.
Posted by: ha at April 15, 2018 03:11 PM (MAstk)
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That's good news.
But how many more chicanos are moving in?!?
And with our stupid birthright citizenship, the children of illegals will be voting (legally) soon enough.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 15, 2018 03:26 PM (0jtPF)

226 What a kind thought. I guess I've only been angry with him because I see what it does to his family. They give him money and clean, new clothes all of the time. And he only gets in touch with them when he needs a handout.
Posted by: washrivergal at April 15, 2018 03:22 PM (tcwn1)

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I had written off my son and told him that I fully expected the next time I'd see him was at his funeral.

That was 4 years ago. He was over 30 and working on drinking himself to death.

My prayers were answered for him. It truly is a miracle and he celebrates his 4th year of sobriety in a month.

Posted by: Blake at April 15, 2018 03:26 PM (WEBkv)

227 225 40 years ago, when we were all going to die in the coming ice age, there was a plan to cover the poles in some kind of black substance to absorb heat. Cooler heads prevailed.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2018 03:25 PM (+y/Ru)

+++

That is so funny.

Posted by: washrivergal at April 15, 2018 03:26 PM (tcwn1)

228 Hey, kids! Been MIA for a while but this post kinda spoke to me as a recent refugee from CA. I moved to Indiana and am realizing that I feel a bit like a fish out of water here, despite the warm friendliness of the general population. Reading that WSJ article about Boise that was linked on Drudge today was incredibly helpful to me. I need to stop my freakin' bitching about how it's all so different and remember that the reason I came here to begin with was that I wanted it to be different. It's actually not that easy, especially for a creature of habit like myself - they don't even license general contractors here, I was all, wtf??? But now I know I need to calm the fuck down and just let Hoosiers be Hoosiers and the only thing that needs to adapt is me. :-)

Posted by: Peaches at April 15, 2018 03:26 PM (14URa)

229 Looks like we are about to get a major storm blowing through. I may have to bail out here shortly.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 03:27 PM (mpXpK)

230 Under the #BoycottStarbucks hastag on Twitter, people accused the chain's employees of racially profiling the men, and criticised police for arresting them when they refused to leave.

-
After 400 years of slavery, they're still serving black coffee to the white man.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2018 03:27 PM (+y/Ru)

231
I had written off my son and told him that I fully expected the next time I'd see him was at his funeral.

That was 4 years ago. He was over 30 and working on drinking himself to death.

My prayers were answered for him. It truly is a miracle and he celebrates his 4th year of sobriety in a month.
Posted by: Blake at April 15, 2018 03:26 PM (WEBkv)

++++

What a wonderful outcome!

Posted by: washrivergal at April 15, 2018 03:27 PM (tcwn1)

232 How can a city rezone private property as a public park? That sounds like an "illegal taking" as defined by a SCOTUS ruling a few years ago.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 03:24 PM (mpXpK)


"It's a Tax!"

-- John Roberts, Conservative Chief Justice Extraordinaire


"It's for the public good, so eminent domain!"

-- John Paul Stevens, Associate Justice Emeritus

The Supreme Court of the United States: Sanctioning tyranny, one decision at a time.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 15, 2018 03:27 PM (kLBhp)

233 California:

Come for the weather.

Stay for the welfare benefits.

Posted by: I'm Tucker Carlson and I will destroy you at April 15, 2018 03:28 PM (hv6Rz)

234 Geez, I wrote this 12 years ago? Where did the time go?

http://annapuna.blogspot.com/2006/03/la-raza-revolution.html

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at April 15, 2018 03:28 PM (OTUGn)

235 The NWS has issued a tornado watch for my county.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 03:28 PM (mpXpK)

236 If we're going to give San Fran and LA the boot, be sure to include Seattle and Portland as well.

Getting rid of these four metropolitan areas will solve a lot of problems.

Posted by: Sasquatch the Original trans-Wookie at April 15, 2018 03:29 PM (xxG/v)

237 Jeez, Vic, take shelter! I gotta figure out that tornado thing sooner than later, too. Apparently the fact that my house has stood for 20 years is no guarantee of future results. Be safe!!

Posted by: Peaches at April 15, 2018 03:30 PM (14URa)

238 233 "It's for the public good, so eminent domain!"



-- John Paul Stevens, Associate Justice Emeritus



The Supreme Court of the United States: Sanctioning tyranny, one decision at a time.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 15, 2018 03:27 PM (kLBhp)

Different circumstances and a "public park" generates no tax revenue while private property does.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 03:30 PM (mpXpK)

239 And with our stupid birthright citizenship, the children of illegals will be voting (legally) soon enough. "

Just fyi, I used to live across the street from a man who was the son of Mexican immigrants who came here in the 60's. I would never presume to ask him what their status was, since he turned out to be one of the toughest hard core street cops I've ever met.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 15, 2018 03:30 PM (V2Yro)

240 Aaaand a lot of these Californians will settle in new states and vote for the very same stuff that ruined CA.



Posted by: Lizzy


Some will. My brother moved from there to TX, and he ain't no Progressive. Peaches did, and Indiana is now a better place.

I fled IL a couple of decades ago, and if anything I've become more conservative.

The 'vote with your feet' effort is a huge undertaking if done for conscientious reasons, and not one making the person anxious to do it again.

Let's say a ultra-liberal moves from SF to Seattle. To people like that, it's a parallel move to another acceptable clime. Even a move to Austin TX could qualify, I suppose, but that's drop in the TX electoral bucket.

I'd say the leavers are, on net, a plus if they move to a conservative area.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 15, 2018 03:30 PM (0ogQG)

241 238
Jeez, Vic, take shelter! I gotta figure out that tornado thing sooner
than later, too. Apparently the fact that my house has stood for 20
years is no guarantee of future results. Be safe!!


Posted by: Peaches at April 15, 2018 03:30 PM (14URa)

No shelter available here.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 03:30 PM (mpXpK)

242 Oh and re the homeless, in case no one has said it yet, if you want more of something, subsidize it.

They never learn.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 15, 2018 03:32 PM (0ogQG)

243 the problem with treating the mentally ill, indigent or otherwise, is that you cannot, at least here in #Failifornia, make them take their medication, or even detain then w/o going through massive hoops.

there have been so many lawsuits filed by "advocates" that there is now, effectively, a RIGHT to be homeless here.

now that there are whole government agencies, with their own tax base, and lots of NGOs "addressing" the issue, it will never go away, or even get better, and the very existence of the problem guarantees their continuing meal ticket.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 15, 2018 03:33 PM (MmMhO)

244 Peaches, I forget who now, but some folks have been asking after you in threads lately. You may want to make an appearance in a couple of weekday threads if you can, before they put your photo on milk cartons.

Posted by: Bear on Assymetrical Balls at April 15, 2018 03:33 PM (H5knJ)

245 No shelter available here.


Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 03:30 PM (mpXpK)
I'm on a slab (no basement or crawl space) but I have been advised that the most central place in your home is where you go. Particularly a closet, as there are plenty of clothes to cover yourself with. This is just what I've been told recently by the natives. Bathroom, closet, no outside walls. Is this the first time you've had a tornado warning?

Posted by: Peaches at April 15, 2018 03:33 PM (14URa)

246 40 years ago, when we were all going to die in the
coming ice age, there was a plan to cover the poles in some kind of
black substance to absorb heat. Cooler heads prevailed.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2018 03:25 PM (+y/Ru)

Hold that thought! When the next "year without a Summer" comes along, and so far, this one is in contention, we may need to strew coal dust or lampblack all over the July snowpacks to prevent them becoming the seeds of the next glacial advance. Snowball Earth is waiting, waiting.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 15, 2018 03:33 PM (vUFR0)

247 The SCOTUS ruling I was referring to was


Lucas v. South Carolina Coastal Council


http://tinyurl.com/y85ye7ez

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 03:33 PM (mpXpK)

248 Everything about it is illegal. We can't replace an existing double wide because the replacement has to be the same size but newer than 2006. They didn't make double wides that small after 2006. You can't put in a house because it's in the flood plain. We can't have a dock because we pissed off some bureaucrats at DNR. The county gave DNR the surrounding wetlands, originally donated to them, because DNR threatened to drag them into our lawsuit. Had the state stayed on its original track, instead of going hard left, things would have been different. We'll rebuild the double wide through Labor and Industries, who have jurisdiction, and find someone that thinks things will be different for them.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 15, 2018 03:33 PM (Lqy/e)

249 Good to see you Peaches.


Everyone's got different tastes interests and issues, and levels of patience.


Other things being equal, only Prop 13 trouble could drive me out, at this point. Actually half-expecting some relief on gunzzz stuff via SCOTUS, which simply has to restore its authority soon or see true chaos develop. Otherwise somewhat insulated from the craziness.


Would help if being older than 29 diminished interest in ocean and other outdoor activities, but in my case it hasn't, so.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 15, 2018 03:34 PM (QDnY+)

250 Hey, kids! Been MIA for a while but this post kinda spoke to me as a recent refugee from CA. I moved to Indiana and am realizing that I feel a bit like a fish out of water here, despite the warm friendliness of the general population. Reading that WSJ article about Boise that was linked on Drudge today was incredibly helpful to me. I need to stop my freakin' bitching about how it's all so different and remember that the reason I came here to begin with was that I wanted it to be different. It's actually not that easy, especially for a creature of habit like myself - they don't even license general contractors here, I was all, wtf??? But now I know I need to calm the fuck down and just let Hoosiers be Hoosiers and the only thing that needs to adapt is me. :-)
Posted by: Peaches at April 15, 2018 03:26 PM (14URa)


Good to see you Peaches! People have been wondering about you. I don't think it is ever easy to uproot one's life and move to somewhere else. Especially when weather & culture are different. And if you are a creature of habit...that requires a lot of adaptation. And the older one is, and the more set in one's way...it is even tougher. I think you will need at least a year. At least.

Now I need to go read the article you talked about.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 15, 2018 03:34 PM (UDWwk)

251 245 I'm on a slab (no basement or crawl space) but I
have been advised that the most central place in your home is where you
go. Particularly a closet, as there are plenty of clothes to cover
yourself with. This is just what I've been told recently by the natives.
Bathroom, closet, no outside walls. Is this the first time you've had a
tornado warning?


Posted by: Peaches at April 15, 2018 03:33 PM (14URa)

Used to be an interior bathroom with a cast iron tube was the safest place to be if you didn't have a shelter or basement. Now all the bathtubs are made from fiberglass. I do have a crawlspace though.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 03:36 PM (mpXpK)

252 Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 15, 2018 03:33 PM (Lqy/e)

Sounds like you got a thorough rat-fucking there. I hope it works out for you. I know there was a time when a person's home was their own damn business.

Posted by: Peaches at April 15, 2018 03:36 PM (14URa)

253 217----DC will never be a State even if Republicans were stupid enough to vote for it. It would take a Constitutional Amendment and it would never be ratified.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 03:22 PM (mpXpK)
-------------------------------
Once upon a time they said it would take a Constitutional amendment for the feds to impose 'gender equality' on the states. Then the ERA failed --- and suddenly leftist judges discovered, why, you don't need that amendment after all!

So I dunno.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 15, 2018 03:36 PM (0jtPF)

254 Wow I blogged about California's flirtation with banning dark colored cars in 2009.

http://annapuna.blogspot.com/2009/03/stupid-socialist-solutions.html

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at April 15, 2018 03:38 PM (OTUGn)

255 IF we finally pull the plug and move, i plan on going to local government meetings, just as i do here, and, anytime someone proposes something stupid, the first part of my comment will be "this is exactly the sort of utter stupidity that we left #Failifornia to get away from... what are you thinking?"

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 15, 2018 03:38 PM (MmMhO)

256 It's actually not that easy, especially for a creature of habit like myself - they don't even license general contractors here, I was all, wtf?"

Heh, Peaches, it's always a bit of shock to come from an over-regulated place back to where nobody ever got around to regulating everything. An example that always surprises people in Texas - zoning and building restrictions only exist inside designated city limits. You get outside any incorporated town, and you can build any damn fool thing you want any way you want (although at least the State makes sure you don't dump your raw sewage into a creek). Well that's why people set up HOA's, but then they go crazy on their own delusions of grandeur.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 15, 2018 03:38 PM (V2Yro)

257 Peaches! How's it going? That Indian food is spicy huh?

Don't worry, I've been thru many many tornado warnings thru the years and only once has a tornado come thru the yard.

Posted by: f'd at April 15, 2018 03:39 PM (UdKB7)

258 256 You get outside any incorporated town, and you can
build any damn fool thing you want any way you want (although at least
the State makes sure you don't dump your raw sewage into a creek).
Well that's why people set up HOA's, but then they go crazy on their own
delusions of grandeur.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 15, 2018 03:38 PM (V2Yro)

Doesn't work that way here in deep red SC. I am out in the county and I am regulated to death.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 03:40 PM (mpXpK)

259 California: Where even the streets are paved with white privilege

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 15, 2018 03:40 PM (kLBhp)

260 The problem with fighting things like rezoning is it means you get to pay a huge chunk of change to lawyers (we owe about $25k over the dock). Then you get liberal judges. Ours had come up from family court and was all too eager to do anything the state wanted, even if it made no sense. He's been promoted to appeals court.
In the process, we've had county commissioners lie to us and go behind our backs. There's been collusion between city and state officials to deny us use of the property and we are just done.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 15, 2018 03:40 PM (Lqy/e)

261 Yeah, as someone pointed out, the the 3 Californias all have left leaning population centers in them. What a joke. That can't be by accident.

Posted by: Max Power at April 15, 2018 03:41 PM (QCc6B)

262 Like to say Biden jumped the shark with his Sharpton interview but he has been bat sh!t crazy for years. He needs to be in a home.

Posted by: rammajamma at April 15, 2018 03:41 PM (oAlzZ)

263 253 217----DC will never be a State even if Republicans were stupid enough to vote for it. It would take a Constitutional Amendment and it would never be ratified.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 03:22 PM (mpXpK)
-------------------------------
Once upon a time they said it would take a Constitutional amendment for the feds to impose 'gender equality' on the states. Then the ERA failed --- and suddenly leftist judges discovered, why, you don't need that amendment after all!

So I dunno.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 15, 2018 03:36 PM (0jtPF)

Yup... took a Constitutional Amendment to Prohibit Alcohol.... but only a Law to prohibit Pot..

There has been a distinct change in what powers the Feds think they have...

Posted by: Don Q. at April 15, 2018 03:42 PM (NgKpN)

264 And this is why we want to move to the "leave me alone" part of TN. Unrestricted land use sounds nice.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 15, 2018 03:42 PM (Lqy/e)

265 262
Like to say Biden jumped the shark with his Sharpton interview but he
has been bat sh!t crazy for years. He needs to be in a home.

Posted by: rammajamma at April 15, 2018 03:41 PM (oAlzZ)

It's a wonder he is not "tenting' under one of those CA underpasses drinking Sterno.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 03:43 PM (mpXpK)

266 Battle of anecdata, but every person I know who's moved/moving out of CA is a right-wing death beast, and they're going to AZ and TX, and believe me they won't be voting for CA nonsense. On the contrary.


The sad/funny thing is that two of them are moving to Austin. Have never been there, like most areas I'm sure there are things to recommend it, but have the impression it's a big magnet if you're 27, not for retirement-age folks. And, of course, the closest thing to Santa Monica you can find in TX.


If I ever did move out of CA, unlikely, I'd make sure it was to as benighted, repressive, and backward a place as possible (i.e., sane). Would never go to the "Austin" of any state I flee to.


Posted by: rhomboid at April 15, 2018 03:43 PM (QDnY+)

267 When the new California Highspeed Rail gets built, everyone will want to live in California just to beable to ride it. I figure it will be finished around 2040 or so. Total cost several trillion.

Posted by: Colin at April 15, 2018 03:44 PM (ALkW9)

268 It's a wonder he is not "tenting' under one of those CA underpasses drinking Sterno.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 03:43 PM (mpXpK)


No, Biden would be prowling the Casino floors in Vegas, chatting up young women and propositioning vacationing couples for threesomes.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at April 15, 2018 03:44 PM (Tnhbr)

269 If I ever did move out of CA, unlikely, I'd make sure it was to as benighted, repressive, and backward a place as possible (i.e., sane). Would never go to the "Austin" of any state I flee to.


Posted by: rhomboid at April 15, 2018 03:43 PM (QDnY+)


My problem is that the things which interest me tend to be located in the Austins of the world. Even though I'm a conservative.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at April 15, 2018 03:45 PM (Tnhbr)

270 California's high speed rail will remain high speed until lawyers representing an undocumented multi-sexual trans-fur person who was killed by laying down on the tracks gets through suing the state.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at April 15, 2018 03:46 PM (OTUGn)

271 {{{Peaches}}} you have been missed!

Posted by: Infidel at April 15, 2018 03:46 PM (a3OL0)

272 Like to say Biden jumped the shark with his Sharpton interview but he

has been bat sh!t crazy for years. He needs to be in a home.



Posted by: rammajamma at April 15, 2018 03:41 PM (oAlzZ)

It's a wonder he is not "tenting' under one of those CA underpasses drinking Sterno.


Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 03:43 PM (mpXpK)

He does seem to be a natural bridge troll now that you mention it. His particular type gropes women and smells their hair.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at April 15, 2018 03:47 PM (aMlLZ)

273 "Doesn't work that way here in deep red SC. I am out in the county and I am regulated to death. "

I think Texas got lucky in that going back to frontier days, there were always a bunch of big ranchers in the legislature, and the one thing that they always agreed on was that they didn't want the State to have any power to mess around with them on their own land. In Texas, the county - level governments are astoundingly weak - they take care of the county roads, county jail, county courthouse, and employ a Sheriff and some deputies to patrol unincorporated areas. And that's about it.

For that reason, whenever you hear of some crazy liberal scheme coming out of Texas, it will always be some city government that the dems have captured that is doing it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 15, 2018 03:48 PM (V2Yro)

274 It's a wonder he is not "tenting' under one of those CA underpasses drinking Sterno.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 03:43 PM (mpXpK)


Can you actually drink that? or is that a joke....My nephews ex liked mouthwash, real vanilla, as long as it had alcohol. She has been to several rehabs...never work for her.

Posted by: Colin at April 15, 2018 03:48 PM (ALkW9)

275 The article Peaches mentioned is in WSJ, which I can't read bcz paywall. If anyone has another source for it, please let me know. Thanks.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 15, 2018 03:49 PM (UDWwk)

276 239
Just fyi, I used to live across the street from a man who was the son of Mexican immigrants who came here in the 60's. I would never presume to ask him what their status was, since he turned out to be one of the toughest hard core street cops I've ever met.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 15, 2018 03:30 PM (V2Yro)
--------------------------------
Those who came in the 60's are a different breed from those in the last few decades --- for a multitude of reasons.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 15, 2018 03:50 PM (0jtPF)

277 When the new California Highspeed Rail gets built, everyone will want to live in California just to beable to ride it. I figure it will be finished around 2040 or so. Total cost several trillion.
Posted by: Colin

__________

Nobody will end up riding it, it's a silly boondoggle.

Most public transportation outside of really dense cities is built in the hope OTHER people use it to relieve traffic, but nobody sells their car for these sorts of things.

People with money won't get rid of their car.

Posted by: Jackso at April 15, 2018 03:50 PM (uc45P)

278 My problem is that the things which interest me tend to be located in the Austins of the world. Even though I'm a conservative."

Fort Worth has everything Austin has. Seriously.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 15, 2018 03:50 PM (V2Yro)

279 Sterno uses jellied alcohol so... maybe?

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at April 15, 2018 03:50 PM (OTUGn)

280 California may well vote to separate into three different "States" but even if that happens it will be overturned by multiple Courts including SCOTUS.

Remember California voted to outlaw gay marriage and the CA SCOUTS went ahead and overruled the voters on that.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 15, 2018 03:51 PM (+Dllb)

281
He does seem to be a natural bridge troll now that you mention it. His particular type gropes women and smells their hair.


Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at April 15, 2018 03:47 PM (aMlLZ)

He's in this picture, but you can't see him because he's lurking behind a rock:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/yc7wghkr

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 15, 2018 03:53 PM (vUFR0)

282 Seems very unlikely the idiotic bullet train will ever be built. Probably will end up with a stretch of new road-bed in the Central Valley for use by other trains.


Real crunch, as elsewhere, will be unfunded retirement liabilities. Aside from financial chicanery, or federal bailouts (which ain't happening), not sure what they plan to do.


Brown really has mental problems that have surged the last few years, which have given his dumbest obsessions (such as AGW) an energy and messianic quality they lacked before (and have taken him from a moderate on gun laws to a kook). Newsome's a vile idiot, less intelligent than Brown, but I just wonder how much more fuel some of the craziness in CA has.


Two Trump terms and keeping Congress nominally GOP are critical if any of the counter-vailing pressures and dynamics in CA are to have a chance to mature.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 15, 2018 03:53 PM (QDnY+)

283 So one California will be centered on LA, and another will be centered on Sillycon Valley, which means two new ultra-Leftist Senators. No thanks.

Posted by: josephistan at April 15, 2018 03:54 PM (ANIFC)

284 I know Fort Worth is ostensibly conservative. But there's something in the water there, or something. Its court of appeals fairly regularly manages to fuck up the simplest shit. Like several years back when it ruled that dogs were no longer just property and emotional distress/mental anguish was recoverable despite clear precedent to the contrary.

Posted by: Bear on Assymetrical Balls at April 15, 2018 03:55 PM (H5knJ)

285 Remember California voted to outlaw gay marriage and the CA SCOUTS went ahead and overruled the voters on that.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman

________

California overruled CA voters on a Constitutional Amendment they passed. Really beyond the pale.

Nothing but crickets from SCOTUS.

But if a state tries to say make a doctor be present at an abortion clinic, suddenly federal courts can get involved.

Posted by: Jackso at April 15, 2018 03:55 PM (uc45P)

286 Food Nood

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2018 03:55 PM (aC6Sd)

287 271
{{{Peaches}}} you have been missed!

Posted by: Infidel at April 15, 2018 03:46 PM (a3OL0)
I've missed you guys, too, a lot. But I went dark.275
The article Peaches mentioned is in WSJ, which I can't read bcz paywall.
If anyone has another source for it, please let me know. Thanks.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 15, 2018 03:49 PM (UDWwk)
I got the whole thing, including comments, without hitting the paywall, so that seems weird. But, probably the first WSJ I've clicked this month. I have heard some cockamamie scheme (here) that if you copy and paste the title or something and go at it directly, you can get it. Or, if you want, send me your email and I'll pdf it to you. carolinvenice at the hooya.

Posted by: Peaches at April 15, 2018 03:55 PM (14URa)

288 Posted by: Peaches at April 15, 2018 03:55 PM (14URa)


I'm gonna try that trick. Thanks!

And hope your kitties are doing well.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 15, 2018 03:58 PM (UDWwk)

289 Grt Wht Scotsman, you are referring to SCOTUS's ukaz abolishing CA's referendum process. Well, de facto.


It really stands as the gleaming monument to constitutional collapse and judicial lawlessness, which more than any "idea" hatched in CA has brought the country to its current state.


It was a masterpiece. Clear issue, 3rd time the voters had spoken on it. Not the trace of any serious legal or constitutional objection possible. So faithless state officials (check) refuse to defend it, as is their obligation (check). Outside group steps in to defend, loses in a court that was laughably unprofessional and partial (check). Appeal is made to SCOTUS. Standing is denied, because ..... not state officials (check!).


Posted by: rhomboid at April 15, 2018 03:59 PM (QDnY+)

290 The Arches, Alberta?

Posted by: Infidel at April 15, 2018 04:00 PM (a3OL0)

291 The Democrats will not allow their safe block of electoral votes to be split up lest some of them leak away.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 15, 2018 04:00 PM (oVJmc)

292 That road white coating will decompose and become more plastic litter in the environment to make up for the plastic bag ban.

Posted by: torabora at April 15, 2018 04:00 PM (nr/Gb)

293 274 Can you actually drink that? or is that a joke....My
nephews ex liked mouthwash, real vanilla, as long as it had alcohol.
She has been to several rehabs...never work for her.




Posted by: Colin at April 15, 2018 03:48 PM (ALkW9)

You can but it will kill you eventually.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 15, 2018 04:00 PM (mpXpK)

294 CA has a massive immigration churn, as millions of younger and middle class/working class families leave, they are replaced by a relatively small amount of tech employees (young, world class smart)and poor, homeless, low and no skilled legal and illegal immigrants from Asia and Latin America (mostly Mexico and parts of Central America).
Splitting the state into three states still does not work, but it would be better.
The real problem is that NoCal would be dominated by the Bay Area, Cal would be run by LA and only So Cal would have enough geographic and economic diversity that it would be more reflective of the concerns of all the residents, not run by wealthy coastal gentry liberals.

Posted by: standfast24 at April 15, 2018 04:01 PM (PNFIr)

295 Hi, Peaches!

Posted by: rickl at April 15, 2018 04:03 PM (sdi6R)

296 Hey, rickl!!! How are you doing? Any good news?

Posted by: Peaches at April 15, 2018 04:04 PM (14URa)

297 292
That road white coating will decompose and become more plastic litter in the environment to make up for the plastic bag ban.



Posted by: torabora at April 15, 2018 04:00 PM (nr/Gb)

And whenever it rains, it will be slicker than snot. Great idea, if you ask me.

Posted by: Spiny Norman at April 15, 2018 04:04 PM (YJhzI)

298 https://bit.ly/2qAbttA

Posted by: DeploraBOT at April 15, 2018 04:04 PM (y3aQB)

299 Nobody will end up riding it, it's a silly boondoggle.

Most public transportation outside of really dense cities is built in the hope OTHER people use it to relieve traffic, but nobody sells their car for these sorts of things.

People with money won't get rid of their car.

Posted by: Jackso at April 15, 2018 03:50 PM (uc45P)



They look at Europe and jerk off to the fantasy of that being here in the US. But the thing is Europe is essentially built with the mindset of 1000 years ago. So its actually been easier to build in those train stations and bus in singular locations with minimal impact to everything around it. America isn't built that way. We have built and adapted to the personal transportation and the space and parking to allow for it.

So why bother needing to know the public transportation schedule, and then walk to the station, hope it is on time, and hope it gets to the closest stop for where you need to go at the right time, and then walk to the place you need to get within the time you need. When instead you could have your own car, kind of know the traffic demands of the region, and drive to a parking spot likely much closer, go in get your shit done, and then get in your car and go again, rather than needing to repeat the whole Public Transportation dance again to get home.

Posted by: buzzion at April 15, 2018 04:06 PM (cAnNx)

300 After reading the Boise article, I immediately thought...oh yea, none of those millions of illegal aliens who have flooded CA and have imposed a huge financial burden, and contributed to a crime spike, and housing shortages...they have had nothing but a positive impact. Plus, the schools are not burdened by students who don't speak English. We should have learned Spanish for all these illegals! Our fault.

*eyeroll*



Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 15, 2018 04:11 PM (UDWwk)

301 People with money won't get rid of their car.

Posted by: Jackso at April 15, 2018 03:50 PM (uc45P)


I had an uncle who was a DoD lawyer and lived in Springfield, VA. When they built the DC subway, there was a terminus not five minutes from his house, with quite a huge commuter parking lot; my aunt didn't work and she could have dropped off in the morning and pick him up in the evening. I asked him why he still got up at 4 a.m. to drive to work in DC, fighting the godawful traffic, if there was a subway nearby. Now this was years ago when he said, 'I'm not giving up my car!'

Posted by: RickZ at April 15, 2018 04:13 PM (oD9Tw)

302 rather than needing to repeat the whole Public Transportation dance again to get home.
...

But it's convenient.

Posted by: leftist who will not change xir mind at April 15, 2018 04:14 PM (aTveC)

303 The Reader Recommended comments in the WSJ article were about the fact the Californias will ruin Boise as they did CA. And listed the other states around CA where it will happen.

Crossing Boise off my list.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 15, 2018 04:18 PM (UDWwk)

304 https://bit.ly/2qAbttA
++++
CNN Reveals What Some FBI Sources Think About Comey's Book - And It's Not Good

Posted by: DeploraBOT at April 15, 2018 04:20 PM (y3aQB)

305 There are pockets of sane people on the West Coast. The problem is that the idiots in control of the government will pass stupid laws they have to live under. That's why our relocation search kept going further East. One thing to watch for; don't live in a state with all mail in voting.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 15, 2018 04:27 PM (Lqy/e)

306 Barbara Bush, 92, has decided to stop medical treatment and is choosing palliative care.

Sad, but I get it.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at April 15, 2018 04:31 PM (UDWwk)

307 Just give the whole stucking fate back to Mexico. Call it reparation and atonement for our imperialist past.

Posted by: George LeS at April 15, 2018 04:33 PM (+TcCF)

308 I've often wondered why Sr. Mary's template hasn't been followed in other areas of the country.

Insufficient opportunity for graft covers a myriad of wonders.

Posted by: DaveA at April 15, 2018 04:34 PM (FhXTo)

309
Just give the whole stucking fate back to Mexico. Call it reparation and atonement for our imperialist past.
Posted by: George LeS


They'll take it and want more.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 15, 2018 04:37 PM (IqV8l)

310 Barbara Bush, 92, has decided to stop medical treatment and is choosing palliative care.

...

Quick!

Someone tell Dana Perino that Pappy's Facebook status is about to be "Single" !

Posted by: Tanner Boyle at April 15, 2018 04:37 PM (2wOtx)

311 Just give the whole stucking fate back to Mexico. Call it reparation and atonement for our imperialist past.

Posted by: George LeS at April 15, 2018 04:33 PM (+TcCF)


With "no right to return" to the warm embrace of the good ol' US of A.

Posted by: RickZ at April 15, 2018 04:40 PM (oD9Tw)

312 Just give the whole stucking fate back to Mexico. Call it reparation and atonement for our imperialist past.
....

And then the open Mexican sewers could dump directly into the Grand Canyon.

Posted by: Tanner Boyle at April 15, 2018 04:40 PM (2wOtx)

313 Quick!

Someone tell Dana Perino that Pappy's Facebook status is about to be "Single" !




Posted by: Tanner Boyle at April 15, 2018 04:37 PM (2wOtx)
OMG, just when I think I will never fall in love again . . .

Posted by: Peaches at April 15, 2018 04:41 PM (14URa)

314 Wait 'til LA and the CoolSeal manufacturer get sued for 'salt rash' - that sunburn on the undersides of body parts from reflected bright sun commonly seen on those that hang out at Bonneville Speed Weeks...

Posted by: JEM at April 15, 2018 04:44 PM (YfSMv)

315 Jasper will fight oldman Bush for Dana Periino

Posted by: DeploraBOT at April 15, 2018 04:56 PM (y3aQB)

316 Lynch will be one of several Obama cronies doing the perp walk:

https://tinyurl.com/y8l9rmnl

Posted by: mainly spoons at April 15, 2018 04:59 PM (v6UKb)

317 No to the California split as proposed. They are lumping the conservative eastern and northern counties in with Frisco and Sacto. Better to split the state up the middle north to south and get at least one conservative state out of the deal.

Posted by: Yobobbyb at April 15, 2018 04:59 PM (zCVRT)

318
Jasper will fight oldman Bush for Dana Perino

In the octagon

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 15, 2018 05:01 PM (IqV8l)

319 David Hogg
@davidhogg111
It's been just over 2 months. We have walked out of school and now, on 4/20, we walk out everywhere. No matter where you are - if it's home, school, or work - walk out. Gun violence can happen anywhere at anytime.

Ein walk, ein right, ein furor.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2018 05:03 PM (+y/Ru)

320 291 The Democrats will not allow their safe block of electoral votes to be split up lest some of them leak away.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 15, 2018 04:00 PM (oVJmc)


If CA gets split up such that each new state has two Senators, the Democrats come out far ahead unless the lines are gerrymandered to give Republicans control. The HoR delegation won't change much, albeit split over three states.

I don't see how the other states could possibly go along with four new Senators diluting their own power. Even the blue states won't like that.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 15, 2018 05:05 PM (h2Bdk)

321 mainly spoons, yes, Lynch looks pretty vulnerable from what is known so far. That stuff about spiking leaks/dissent from NYPD/NY field office makes perfect sense - recall the chatter about things about to blow re Wiener's laptop discoveries?


Also the top deputy assoc. AG who apparently leaned on McCabe re Clinton Fdn case - and that deputy's boss, presumably.


These people are so, um, un-gifted, and arrogant, that this might just be as big a conflagration as I was hoping for.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 15, 2018 05:06 PM (QDnY+)

322 We have walked out of school and now, on 4/20, we walk out everywhere.

*clicks heels*

Jawohl! Sieg Heil!

Posted by: EABOD at April 15, 2018 05:09 PM (B1AEW)

323 Anonosaurus, good one - and note, 4/20.


Isn't that, besides being the Fuhrer's b-day, a number combo associated with, um, other stuff? (don't bogart that joint, brah)


Posted by: rhomboid at April 15, 2018 05:11 PM (QDnY+)

324 Ace's liver, that's it exactly, same reason DC statehood never had a chance (aside from legal/constitutional reasons) - any new state that will predictably be either R or D will simply not be accepted. And dilution of every sitting senator's power is the cherry on top.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 15, 2018 05:12 PM (QDnY+)

325 I recommend the historic map: see California in 1850

https://tinyurl.com/CaliforniaCounties1850

There are for obvious states: The original San Diego County (orange county and lots of inland) up to the , Mariposa (I would take it up to Yuba County or maybe only Calaveras), Coastal California (Los Angeles County through Santa Cruz & Contra Costa Counties (includes San Francisco) and points north of Coastal and Mariposa.

It would seem to do a better job of supporting diverse political interests

Posted by: Old Toby at April 15, 2018 05:15 PM (W+I/H)

326 Wait till the TV/movie industry sees the new white streets. They freaked out because of the green bicycle stripes! Can't film it.

Lol, jobs are icky: that's L.A.

Posted by: PJ at April 15, 2018 05:48 PM (qlTN9)

327 Demographic experts! Those are the guys/gals that have to be really careful about what they say. Otherwise they might have to try to find Jerry Brown's dick, and then suck it. Not an easy job! Just ask Linda. She became a whale hoping that it would improve her eyesight. Or that she could use sonar.

Posted by: goon at April 15, 2018 06:13 PM (PEcU2)

328 Yeah, baby!

Governor Brown's Move To Hike California's Gas Taxes Could Doom Dems As Elections Approach

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2018 06:20 PM (+y/Ru)

329 " recall the chatter about things about to blow re Wiener's laptop discoveries? "

McCabe sat on the Wiener laptop. Comey had to know, and only went public just before the election because NYers were going to go public.

Who got sent to look at the Wiener to say "nothing to see here, move along" -- Strzok. You couldn't make this up.

Will Comey ever be asked how his FBI actually helped Hillary and team spoliate evidence?

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 15, 2018 06:30 PM (pV/54)

330 AWWW FUCK R. Lee Armey Passed away
+++++
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._Lee_Ermey

Posted by: DeploraBOT at April 15, 2018 07:01 PM (y3aQB)

331 Whaddayamean? We in LA have semi elected some of the smartest people on the planet to run our lives.
For example:

The Brain Surgeons we have "elected" -there are no real elections anymore in Cali- have decided in my hometown of Hollyweird that they are going to reduce on all our major thoroughfares the traffic lanes dedicated to autos from 2 to1, and dedicate a lane exclusively to buses and bikes.

Isn't that wonderful? isn't that brilliant?

Now mind you Hollyweird is like this huge traffic funnel where all the traffic coming from the south across this vast area in the LA basin must funnel to just a couple of streets to go through the already congested Cahuenga Pass. Also mind you only a small portion of this traffic is local - most of it is just passing through, and won't be effected by either buses or bikes.

So the Brain Surgeons of the LA City Council, our brilliant only semi-elected overlords, have come up with brilliant solution with bicycles to our traffic problems. It's going to be just fantastic!

Fantastically Bad, that is!


Posted by: Unsk at April 15, 2018 07:30 PM (Nz64U)

332 236 If we're going to give San Fran and LA the boot, be sure to include Seattle and Portland as well.

Getting rid of these four metropolitan areas will solve a lot of problems.
Posted by: Sasquatch the Original trans-Wookie at April 15, 2018 03:29 PM (xxG/v)

Every Western state has Motor Voter laws. Just register to vote when you renew your drivers license, how innocent is that?

The answer is the voter rolls are hopelessly corrupt. And since the party in power benefits from these corrupt voting rolls, good luck in trying to get them cleaned up.

I have seen it myself when renewing my license, and when I asked the clerk if he thought there may be something wrong, he became defensive for his job and said "we are required to ask everyone and never question anything". I then asked him if he ever heard of an audit of any kind, and he laughed at me. I think he was on my side, but was fearful for his job and benefits.

Want to fix this crap? Fix the voter rolls to only have actual American citizens on them, and a felony with immediate deportation for those found to be cheating.

Or just plan to report to the extermination booths, aka Star Trek episode, "The Taste of Armageddon". A simulated computer war that if you are a casualty, you report for real extermination, because real war is too awful to contemplate.

Come to think of it, we are closer than I first thought.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at April 15, 2018 09:29 PM (UsCnO)

333 Could I get LA to mail some of that sweet homeless loot to a residential address in another state?

Posted by: Rather Not at April 16, 2018 08:37 PM (oX0W5)

334 US Congress would have to approve the breakup of CA into 3 States, and congressional D's would NEVER approve it.

It would destroy their electoral chances for POTUS. Currently, they have a lock on 55 electoral college votes and they don't have to spend a dime campaigning there. Two of the Three States it would split into would either be competitive or Republican.

For the Senate, D's would go from 2 guaranteed seats to 2 guaranteed and 4 competitive (possibly R) seats.

For the House, its a wash.

Bottom line: It matters little what CA voters think. US Congress gets the final say.

Posted by: Aarradin at April 17, 2018 03:51 AM (5kvQv)

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