Jonathan Turley: If Michael Flynn Was Charged For Perjury, Why Is Andrew McCabe Not Being Charged?

He says McCabe's Clinton-like, Comey-approved defense -- he didn't have the intent to lie because he was "confused and distracted" -- applies equally to Flynn, who was also quite a busy man at the time he made his disputed statement.

Are our straight-arrow non-partisan without-fear-or-favor Defenders of Law showing favoritism for their own and antagonism to outsiders?

Spoiler alert: Yes. Yes they are.

I have been writing (here and here and here) on the contrast between the treatment of McCabe and former national security adviser Michael Flynn. McCabe has been erroneously portrayed as "losing his pension" but has not been charged.

Erroneously, as the link will tell you, because while Andrew McCabe lost his early retirement benefits, he did not lose most of his retirement benefits which had alread vested and cannot be undone by a firing.

Flynn was charged and accepted a plea deal under 18 U.S.C. 1001 for making a false statement to investigators. Now McCabe is raising virtually the same defense that did not work for Flynn: that there was a lot going on and he was "confused and distracted."
Given his willingness to hold forth publicly on his actions, McCabe does not appear to expect to be charged even though the Inspector General could refer a criminal allegation to prosecutors.
He lashes about at President Donald Trump and critics to assert "I did not knowingly mislead or lie to investigators." He then added this familiar defense: "At worst, I was not clear in my responses, and because of what was going on around me may well have been confused and distracted -- and for that I take full responsibility."
That is reportedly the same defense raised by Flynn who admitted to meeting with Russian diplomats during the busy transition period but did not disclose or confirm that they spoke about sanctions. He reportedly also did not make such a disclosure to Vice President Pence. There was nothing unlawful in the meeting with the Russians or even unprecedented for an incoming national security adviser to discuss such points of tension between the countries. Flynn did not seek legal assistance before the interview and was reportedly not told that the investigators were there as part of a possible criminal inquiry.

Turley notes that the worst aspect of the making-a-false-charge law isn't that it's overly broad -- it's that its over-broadness permits the FBI to selectively and arbitrarily apply it, or selectively and arbitrarily decide that its FaceBook Friends List is immune.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 06:21 PM

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1 When you've lost Turley . . . um . . .

Posted by: filbert at March 27, 2018 06:15 PM (953wK)

2 Sometimes I have a hard time remembering which laws apply to Those who Know Better than I and which don't. Could someone let me know?

Posted by: GrandBandWagoneer at March 27, 2018 06:16 PM (0ZVTS)

3 I did the Nood thing on the porn thread.

Er . . . that didn't come out right.

Posted by: filbert at March 27, 2018 06:16 PM (953wK)

4 Who knew Boo Radley worked for the FBI.

Posted by: pep at March 27, 2018 06:16 PM (LAe3v)

5 Hasn't Andrew been through enough?

No, no he hasn't.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at March 27, 2018 06:17 PM (+rS8o)

6 The FBI is a rogue agency! Shut it down and prosecute!

Posted by: Fritz at March 27, 2018 06:17 PM (bJ0w+)

7 Preaching to the choir, buddy.

Posted by: Archer at March 27, 2018 06:17 PM (gbWkA)

8 Every American has a God-given right to lie to cops. F the feds and this law in particular.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2018 06:18 PM (39g3+)

9 >>Jonathan Turley: If Michael Flynn Was Charged For Perjury, Why Is Andrew McCabe Not Being Charged?

Yet.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2018 06:18 PM (/tuJf)

10 Lock 'em all up and then have the 'stache look each one straight in the eye.

The ones who explode, well, they were gonna be fired anyway.

Posted by: tcn in AK at March 27, 2018 06:19 PM (7UW64)

11 "At worst, I was not clear in my responses, and because of what was
going on around me may well have been confused and distracted -- and for
that I take full responsibility."

Self-awareness isn't your strong suit, is it sweetums?

Posted by: pep at March 27, 2018 06:19 PM (LAe3v)

12 I did the Nood thing on the porn thread.

Er . . . that didn't come out right.
Posted by: filbert at March 27, 2018 06:16 PM (953wK)

Oh, okay, it was the NSC/Trump/Putin thread.

Same thing.

Posted by: filbert at March 27, 2018 06:19 PM (953wK)

13 At worst, I was making questionable withdrawals. Zombie Machine Gun Kelly.

Posted by: Archer at March 27, 2018 06:19 PM (gbWkA)

14 If Michael Flynn Was Charged For Perjury, Why Is Andrew McCabe Not Being Charged?

Easy; McCabe is protected by a Democratium shield.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 27, 2018 06:20 PM (mpXpK)

15 Just think, Turley got paid real money to ask this question on national TV.

Good gig if you can get it.

next segment: is water wet, professor?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at March 27, 2018 06:20 PM (UsCnO)

16 I continue to hope against hope that with the release of DOJ IG Horowitz' findings, the perp walks will begin.

It is a dream I have.

Posted by: filbert at March 27, 2018 06:20 PM (953wK)

17 I think McCabe had the same SAT score as Hogg. Would explain a lot things

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at March 27, 2018 06:20 PM (+rS8o)

18 I'm confident some of our regulars will be along to scoff and set me straight, but I think there's a good chance that McCabe will be seeing the false-statement charges as a relatively minor count, compared to the others, on his indictment ....... sometime in the not too distant future.

Posted by: Very Unstable Semi-Genius, AKA rhomboid at March 27, 2018 06:20 PM (v9gSJ)

19 So, I'm a foodie. What of it?

Posted by: Jeffrey Dahmer at March 27, 2018 06:21 PM (LAe3v)

20 14 Vic

The only substance stronger than Vibranium.

Posted by: ibguy at March 27, 2018 06:21 PM (vUcdz)

21 >>Jonathan Turley: If Michael Flynn Was Charged For Perjury, Why Is Andrew McCabe Not Being Charged?

Yet.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2018 06:18 PM

I hope your 'excessive exuberance' is grounded in reality.

Posted by: Sigmoid Fraud at March 27, 2018 06:21 PM (LOgQ4)

22 >>>>Jonathan Turley: If Michael Flynn Was Charged For Perjury, Why Is Andrew McCabe Not Being Charged?
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.Because don't ask stupid questions.......

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 27, 2018 06:21 PM (+Dllb)

23 McCabe has a big exposure, as do the others who framed Flynn. All we've gotten so far are scenes from coming attractions. There's a lot more to come.

The framing of Flynn ties several players together. Strzok was the point. His texts show his links to a corrupted federal judge (Contreras) before he was forced to recuse himself. Strzok changed his official FBI report on orders from McCabe.

And Strzok links to the corrupted acting DOJ Sally Yates who ran the frame of Flynn, and who got unmasked transcripts from someone like Susan Rice.

And Mueller brought the case against Flynn, and got a plea by threatening Flynn's son and by failing to turn over exculpatory material. And he hired Strzok to work on his team to be the go between with other players.

This makes for a criminal conspiracy to deprive rights under color of law for malicious prosecution. Ordinarily hard to prove, but Mueller's failing to turn over exculpatory evidence should negate the grand jury finding probable cause.

You just need Strzok or Priestap to testify to tie it up in a bow.

FWIW, Turley is close to Stormy's lawyer.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 27, 2018 06:22 PM (n+6mJ)

24 19 So, I'm a foodie. What of it?
Posted by: Jeffrey Dahmer at March 27, 2018 06:21 PM (LAe3v)

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Craved 5 Guys before it was cool.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at March 27, 2018 06:22 PM (+rS8o)

25 This is kinda like goalie interference, right?

Posted by: Archer at March 27, 2018 06:22 PM (gbWkA)

26 Aren't the rank and file sick of this crap yet?

Enough to do a raid on the floor where they work?

Just perp walk them all and sort it out later.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at March 27, 2018 06:22 PM (UsCnO)

27 old and busted: Dazed & Confused
new hotness: Confused & Distracted

Posted by: Hands at March 27, 2018 06:23 PM (EzdLW)

28 Good to see that Cato piece on Gabriel Over the White House. There's been a very thorough and systematic effort to expunge all connection between the academic left and fascism, eugenics, and the evils of the early 20th century. But it was real, it was strong, and it was pervasive.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2018 06:24 PM (39g3+)

29 I'm shocked and surprised too. So I'm guilty?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 27, 2018 06:24 PM (o7tuA)

30 Two Americas, two sets of laws.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 27, 2018 06:25 PM (oVJmc)

31 Ignoramus that's a good speculative summary of just the Flynn part of the multi-faceted mega-scandal.

But do we have anything other than rumor that McCabe asked/ordered Strzok to change the 302s to support a false statement charge? Won't be surprised if it's true - and we'll certainly know in the end - but just rumor at this point, right?

Posted by: Very Unstable Semi-Genius, AKA rhomboid at March 27, 2018 06:25 PM (v9gSJ)

32 Not to mention the FBI agents themselves said Flynn didn't lie. And the whole "I'm your FISA judge!, I'm your trial judge!, I'm your FISA Judge!, I'm your trial judge!"-thing. The simply extorted a guilty plea out of the man by threatening his kid--just like Stormy!

Flynn's gonna walk. But Turley's point still holds.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at March 27, 2018 06:25 PM (Ndje9)

33 RICO RICO RICO

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 27, 2018 06:25 PM (89T5c)

34 ----------

Craved 5 Guys before it was cool.
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at March 27, 2018 06:22 PM (+rS8o)

Weird. On point. Quick.
Yep, I like it!

Posted by: MarkY at March 27, 2018 06:25 PM (fZlu3)

35 >>>Erroneously, as the link will tell you, because while Andrew McCabe lost his early retirement benefits, he did not lose most of his retirement benefits which had alread vested and cannot be undone by a firing.

Not to be a d-hole here, ace, but we done told you that.

And you didn't even trust the horde.

What about us makes us so untrustworthy?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 27, 2018 06:26 PM (F5+ro)

36 30
Two Americas, two sets of laws.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 27, 2018 06:25 PM (oVJmc)

This mysterious 2nd Amendment thing is starting to come into focus.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at March 27, 2018 06:26 PM (UsCnO)

37 Ace this whole column is obstruction of justice. It makes Comey very, very uncomfortable. No one can comment on an ongoing FBI coup...er investigation. no one. except clinton. and obama. and holder and lynch.

Posted by: Chaos! At the White House at March 27, 2018 06:26 PM (DQC26)

38 >>the worst aspect of the making-a-false-charge law isn't that it's overly broad -- it's that its over-broadness permits the FBI to selectively and arbitrarily apply it

This is not A Good Thing.

Posted by: Martha Stewart at March 27, 2018 06:26 PM (mtfdF)

39 >>I hope your 'excessive exuberance' is grounded in reality.

I remember way back to the evening of the Friday before last when the overwhelming opinion here was that McCabe was not getting fired. I was not of that opinion. Remind how that worked out.

It's not excessive exuberance, it's following the case closely without relying on the media, not even Sara Carter or Jonathan Turley for all information.

There is a grand jury empaneled and there has been a prosecutor working hand in hand with Horowitz for months, probably back to last summer. There are at least a half dozen FBI or DOJ employees cooperating, people like Strzok, Page, Priestap, Ohr and others.

The net result of what is going on is not just the removal of a few senior level DOJ employees. There will be charges. I've been saying this for months and I've seen nothing to change my mind.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2018 06:26 PM (/tuJf)

40 12
I did the Nood thing on the porn thread.

Er . . . that didn't come out right.

Posted by: filbert at March 27, 2018 06:16 PM (953wK)

I'll be right back.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 27, 2018 06:26 PM (o7tuA)

41
Sometimes I have a hard time remembering which laws apply to Those who Know Better than I and which don't. Could someone let me know?
Posted by: GrandBandWagoneer at March 27, 2018 06:16 PM

We like to keep you peasants on your toes before we bring you to your knees.

Posted by: Those Who Know Better at March 27, 2018 06:27 PM (EzdLW)

42 Turley notes that the worst aspect of the making-a-false-charge law isn't that it's overly broad -- it's that its over-broadness permits the FBI to selectively and arbitrarily apply it, or selectively and arbitrarily decide that its FaceBook Friends List is immune.

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then some would say it's constitutionally vague.

Posted by: Chaos! At the White House at March 27, 2018 06:27 PM (DQC26)

43 The knives were being sharpened to go after Flynn before Trump was even elected. His own agency was full of people gunning for him.

Meanwhile McCabe had subordinates in his office discussing how Hillary was an absolute certainty, but preparing contingency plans just in case the unthinkable happened.

Posted by: Sjg at March 27, 2018 06:27 PM (gDSJf)

44 It is for times like this I pull out my Floyd Ferris quote:

"There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kinds of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted-and you create a nation of lawbreakers-and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Rearden, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with."

I know, quoting Ayn Rand is thoughtcrime these days, but there it is.

Posted by: blaster at March 27, 2018 06:27 PM (jHrzU)

45 also, note that this is more of the same, making conservatives toxic, illegal, and unemployable...which I guess the GOP is cool with because ugh, right?

Posted by: Chaos! At the White House at March 27, 2018 06:27 PM (DQC26)

46
But do we have anything other than rumor that McCabe asked/ordered Strzok to change the 302s to support a false statement charge? Won't be surprised if it's true - and we'll certainly know in the end - but just rumor at this point, right?

Posted by: Very Unstable Semi-Genius, AKA rhomboid at March 27, 2018 06:25 PM

That could be one things that McCabe was less than candid about.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at March 27, 2018 06:28 PM (lKyWE)

47 McCabe has not been charged 'yet' because AG Sessions has an outside prosecutor convening a Grand Jury(s). The IG report has not come out yet because of new info coming in. Sessions has the DOJ back to regular order, no leaks or speaking of ongoing criminal investigations which could cause harm to the government's case against McCabe, and so many others. Patience...sucks, but patience...

Posted by: Charles at March 27, 2018 06:28 PM (l7+ut)

48 They worked as hard to NOT prosecute Hillary as they have TO prosecute Flynn.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 27, 2018 06:28 PM (oVJmc)

49 Everyone has an ego. There's no way Mueller and team are not going to at least pretend to be tough, someone has to hang. They care about their reputations more than justice.

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 27, 2018 06:29 PM (7qnb5)

50 18
I'm confident some of our regulars will be along to scoff and set me straight, but I think there's a good chance that McCabe will be seeing the false-statement charges as a relatively minor count, compared to the others, on his indictment ....... sometime in the not too distant future.

Posted by: Very Unstable Semi-Genius, AKA rhomboid at March 27, 2018 06:20 PM (v9gSJ)

What is better is turning states' evidence against Comrey, Rice, Yates, Obama, and the hillary cabal. He is a chickenshit weasel, and he is just the type to break and turn on others to save his own worthless skin.

He already threw Comey under the bus with his "it was authorized," which gave Comey perjury before Congress exposure.

The cracks are forming. It will be fun to watch.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at March 27, 2018 06:29 PM (Dp6qK)

51 Like I said, goalie interference.

Posted by: Archer at March 27, 2018 06:29 PM (gbWkA)

52 Hang them all and let G-d sort them out.

Posted by: Sharkman at March 27, 2018 06:29 PM (RIKJa)

53 What about us makes us so untrustworthy?

Come on, look at us: hardly anyone has pants on, we lie about our age, we think Brian Dennehy played nearly every part in every film, and not one of us ever bought any lace wigs.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2018 06:29 PM (39g3+)

54 44
It is for times like this I pull out my Floyd Ferris quote:

"There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any
government has is to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't
enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a
crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.
Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for
anyone? But just pass the kinds of laws that can neither be observed nor
enforced nor objectively interpreted-and you create a nation of
lawbreakers-and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr.
Rearden, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much
easier to deal with."

I know, quoting Ayn Rand is thoughtcrime these days, but there it is.

Posted by: blaster at March 27, 2018 06:27 PM (jHrzU)

So CNN is now stealing Ayn Rand material?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at March 27, 2018 06:29 PM (UsCnO)

55 How much longer can we put up with this?

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 27, 2018 06:29 PM (AzW6q)

56 Patience...sucks, but patience...
Posted by: Charles at March 27, 2018 06:28 PM (l7+ut)

Okay, I'll settle for Patience.

Posted by: Guy who'll settle for Patience at March 27, 2018 06:29 PM (fZlu3)

57 Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2018 06:26 PM (/tuJf)

I've been meaning to ask you for a few years now... are you one of those there druggie dead heads, or is your nic from something else?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 27, 2018 06:30 PM (F5+ro)

58 "But do we have anything other than rumor that McCabe asked/ordered Strzok to change the 302s to support a false statement charge?"

Sara Carter -- who's been breaking a lot as a stringer for Fox -- says she has several sources for this.

There's another source that says that McCabe rewrote Strzok's 302 himself.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 27, 2018 06:30 PM (n+6mJ)

59 Everyone has an ego. There's no way Mueller and team are not going to at least pretend to be tough, someone has to hang. They care about their reputations more than justice.
Posted by: Minnfidel at March 27, 2018 06:29 PM (7qnb5)

And what if Mueller and his team are among those who have to hang?

Posted by: filbert at March 27, 2018 06:30 PM (953wK)

60 Yet.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2018 06:18 PM (/tuJf)
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JS, I can only hope you are not disappointed. First, for my own sake, Second, for the sake of the rule of law. But third, because you have been so stalwart in your faith the law will get these scumbags and, if it doesn't happen (which is how the smart money always bets and always wins), you are going to be one disappointed man.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Close Down The FBI! at March 27, 2018 06:31 PM (LISuA)

61 23 excellent analysis, ignoramus.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at March 27, 2018 06:31 PM (Ndje9)

62 He already threw Comey under the bus with his "it was authorized," which gave Comey perjury before Congress exposure.

Oh, that is NOTHING to worry about.

Believe me.

And I am not saying I have something on Ryan, but, you know, I was the DNI, and we see stuff....

Posted by: Clapper at March 27, 2018 06:31 PM (jHrzU)

63 I think there's a good chance that McCabe will be seeing the false-statement charges as a relatively minor count, compared to the others, on his indictment ....... sometime in the not too distant future.

I think there is a chance, and its greater than zero. But my confidence level is not high. I've given up on any sense of justice in this nation.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2018 06:31 PM (39g3+)

64 52
Hang them all and let G-d sort them out.

Posted by: Sharkman at March 27, 2018 06:29 PM (RIKJa)

But there is no money in that.

Posted by: Attorneys at March 27, 2018 06:31 PM (UsCnO)

65 I'm sure everybody's beat me to this already but this is really simple . The law doesn't apply to McCabe , Clinton , or anybody else with the right set of opinions . Take that as a clue as to how you should act in the future, or not.

Posted by: BigZesty at March 27, 2018 06:32 PM (QMO9J)

66 Maybe the Breck boy was on to something after all.

Posted by: Jewells45 at March 27, 2018 06:32 PM (dUJdY)

67 Sigh. Hubby got home. I asked him the question....

"It would be like playing catch with a MLB star." "Can I hit a Major league fast ball."

Men are gross.

Posted by: dagny at March 27, 2018 06:32 PM (CAKgV)

68 Come on, look at us: hardly anyone has pants on, we lie about our age, we think Brian Dennehy played nearly every part in every film, and not one of us ever bought any lace wigs.
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Hey!

Posted by: Zombie Abe Vigoda, who appeared in every film ever made at March 27, 2018 06:33 PM (LISuA)

69 Craved 5 Guys before it was cool.

*yoink*

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2018 06:33 PM (39g3+)

70 >>I've been meaning to ask you for a few years now... are you one of those there druggie dead heads, or is your nic from something else?

Let's just say I won't be running for public office any time soon.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2018 06:33 PM (/tuJf)

71 Howdy Joe.
Howdy Mr Dunahe

Ul-ell-ell-ell-ell
Hee, hee, hee

Posted by: Frankie at March 27, 2018 06:33 PM (ZCD4H)

72 There will be charges. I've been saying this for months and I've seen nothing to change my mind.
....

Seems like we had a thread recently about the Trump Administration "not telegraphing it's next move".

I remember it like it was almost an hour ago...

Posted by: Tanner Boyle at March 27, 2018 06:33 PM (ROV4u)

73 What is better is turning states' evidence against Comrey, Rice, Yates, Obama, and the hillary cabal. He is a chickenshit weasel, and he is just the type to break and turn on others to save his own worthless skin.
=====

Dead man walking

Posted by: Bicentennialguy at March 27, 2018 06:33 PM (nILVB)

74 Big difference between Flynn and McCabe. The FBI said one lied, and the other didn't. The FBI recommended action against one and not the other.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at March 27, 2018 06:34 PM (wdmm9)

75 >>>>>I hope your 'excessive exuberance' is grounded in reality.

I remember way back to the evening of the Friday before last when
the overwhelming opinion here was that McCabe was not getting fired. I
was not of that opinion. Remind how that worked out.

It's not excessive exuberance, it's following the case closely
without relying on the media, not even Sara Carter or Jonathan Turley
for all information.

There is a grand jury empaneled and there has been a prosecutor
working hand in hand with Horowitz for months, probably back to last
summer. There are at least a half dozen FBI or DOJ employees
cooperating, people like Strzok, Page, Priestap, Ohr and others.

The net result of what is going on is not just the removal of a few
senior level DOJ employees. There will be charges. I've been saying this
for months and I've seen nothing to change my mind.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2018 06:26 PM
.
.
.It wasn't just overwhelming, I think about 95% of the people on here
were absolutely convinced that mccabe would not be fired by Sessions and
be allowed to go merrily on his way.

I agree, not saying the charges will result in actual convictions, but Senior FBI people will be charged and go to trial or cop plea deals..

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 27, 2018 06:34 PM (+Dllb)

76 67
Sigh. Hubby got home. I asked him the question....

"It would be like playing catch with a MLB star." "Can I hit a Major league fast ball."

Men are gross.

Posted by: dagny at March 27, 2018 06:32 PM (CAKgV)

Yes we are. And women are sugar and spice and everything nice.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at March 27, 2018 06:35 PM (Dp6qK)

77 McCabe has not been charged 'yet' because AG Sessions has an outside prosecutor convening a Grand Jury(s). The IG report has not come out yet because of new info coming in. Sessions has the DOJ back to regular order, no leaks or speaking of ongoing criminal investigations which could cause harm to the government's case against McCabe, and so many others. Patience...sucks, but patience...
====================

I've long been a fan of this whole "gathering storm" theory but patience in killing me.

I want to see some lightening strikes.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Close Down The FBI! at March 27, 2018 06:35 PM (LISuA)

78 Anybody connected to the obama administration should be sent to GITMO until they can prove they are not a part of the insurrection.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at March 27, 2018 06:35 PM (wdmm9)

79 63 I think there's a good chance that McCabe will be seeing the false-statement charges as a relatively minor count, compared to the others, on his indictment ....... sometime in the not too distant future.

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wait...so mccabe doesn't have to spend his life savings on lawyer bills? I thought that it took, oh, say 5-10 million dollars just to answer discovery about perjury/lying to the FBI questions?

Posted by: Chaos! At the White House at March 27, 2018 06:35 PM (DQC26)

80 Will no one think of the Salon 25s now-impoverished Selfless Defender's future life?
https://twitter.com/RepStevenSmith/status/977904131548565504

Posted by: andycanuck at March 27, 2018 06:36 PM (ewxPW)

81 Let's just say I won't be running for public office any time soon.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2018 06:33 PM (/tuJf)

Hahaha, fair enough...

Wasn't sure if you were referencing the Dead with your nic or if there was some other reference I didn't know about.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 27, 2018 06:36 PM (F5+ro)

82 Don't worry, Sessions will recommend prosecution in Dec 2020, and leave it to the Biden administration to prosecute.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at March 27, 2018 06:36 PM (wdmm9)

83 And women are sugar and spice and everything nice.

Yeah, sure we are. You keep thinkin that.

Posted by: dagny at March 27, 2018 06:36 PM (CAKgV)

84 83
And women are sugar and spice and everything nice.

Yeah, sure we are. You keep thinkin that.

Posted by: dagny at March 27, 2018 06:36 PM (CAKgV)

Forgot my /sarc tag.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at March 27, 2018 06:37 PM (Dp6qK)

85 btw, it's not just lying to the FBI. Sessions said "including under oath". The FBI nor the IG do oaths. Grand juries do. Ergo, Session's prosecutor is working it, hard as it is for Morons Like Us.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at March 27, 2018 06:38 PM (Ndje9)

86 McCabe is worth $11 mil. Has several homes he inherited and his wife is a doctor. Plus the candidate kept the money she didn't spend on the election.

Posted by: dagny at March 27, 2018 06:38 PM (CAKgV)

87 >>>>>Will no one think of the Salon 25s now-impoverished Selfless Defender's future life?
https://twitter.com/RepStevenSmith/status/977904131548565504

Posted by: andycanuck at March 27, 2018 06:36 PM
.
.
.
.Someone needs to get to the burn unit Stat!

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 27, 2018 06:38 PM (+Dllb)

88 December 2017: #TwoWeeks

January 2018: #TwoWeeks

February 2018: #TwoWeeks

March 2018: #TwoWeeks

etc...

Posted by: How much longer? at March 27, 2018 06:38 PM (EzdLW)

89 And women are sugar and spice and everything nice.

=====

I have to take pills for that,

Posted by: Caitlyn at March 27, 2018 06:38 PM (nILVB)

90 Men are gross.

You have never seen the inside of a women's restroom.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at March 27, 2018 06:39 PM (wdmm9)

91 The feds operate under the old TheeMe principle from the Greek God Testiclees.

"Laws for Thee, not for me."

May be time we did the same.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 27, 2018 06:39 PM (EoRCO)

92 Save the lightning strikes till closer to the midterms

Posted by: dagny at March 27, 2018 06:39 PM (CAKgV)

93 Men are gross.

Frankly I don't know what you see in us. And I don't mean that as a joke. We are hairy and lumpy and smelly and often crude and juvenile and stupid. Women smell nice and look nice and are graceful and pretty and classy and smooth and pleasant.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2018 06:39 PM (39g3+)

94 Ignoramus, thanks. Have not followed all developments as closely as I could have.

That 302 charge would, I think be the lead-off count in the indictment - do you agree, and would it be obstruction or deprivation of due process under color of law, or what charge would it be?

Posted by: Very Unstable Semi-Genius, AKA rhomboid at March 27, 2018 06:40 PM (v9gSJ)

95 Now McCabe is raising virtually the same defense that did not work for Flynn: that there was a lot going on and he was "confused and distracted."

Which makes a second lie - an intellectually offensive one, at that - to add to the initial perjury.

Throw the piece of shit in jail and throw away the key.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 27, 2018 06:40 PM (8gDQu)

96 Lest we forget, McCabe created false file memos to corroborate Comey's false file memos (which Comey leaked to the Times) which were intended to frame POTUS Trump with an obstruction charge about Trump's motives for firing Comey, to be brought by Mueller.

Holy bloodless coup Batman!

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 27, 2018 06:40 PM (n+6mJ)

97 You have never seen the inside of a women's restroom.

How do you figure that?

Posted by: dagny at March 27, 2018 06:40 PM (CAKgV)

98 willowed, but still relevant:

"225 "222 The FBI has lost legitimacy to such an extent that when hearing or reading about an activity they take part in my first reaction is to laugh. Might as well shut it down and start again.

Everybody qualifies their comments by noting that it's only the leadership that is corrupted. But is that true? I would have agreed until Parkland where the low level guys screwed up too.
Posted by: Decaf"

Ditto Garland, TX where they watched the assassins head for the target; ditto the great revolt of the rank-and-file
that was supposed to happen and never did.
You could all name other incidents.
Crooked as hell from top to bottom."

And side-to-side.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at March 27, 2018 06:40 PM (FlXVN)

99 Some animals are more equal than others...

Spit!

Posted by: USNtakim Come and take them! Asshole. at March 27, 2018 06:40 PM (0OmEj)

100
And women are sugar and spice and everything nice.

=====

I have to take pills for that,
Posted by: Caitlyn at March 27, 2018 06:38 PM

We've secretly replaced Caitlyn's estrogen pills with sugar and spice pills. Let's see if xhe notices...

Posted by: Hands at March 27, 2018 06:40 PM (EzdLW)

101 Plus the candidate kept the money she didn't spend on the election.
Posted by: dagny at March 27, 2018 06:38 PM (CAKgV)

Probably paid herself, Andrew, and the children hefty "consulting" fees.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at March 27, 2018 06:41 PM (wdmm9)

102 >>JS, I can only hope you are not disappointed. First, for my own sake, Second, for the sake of the rule of law. But third, because you have been so stalwart in your faith the law will get these scumbags and, if it doesn't happen (which is how the smart money always bets and always wins), you are going to be one disappointed man.

Do you know who was one of the least popular senators in DC? Jeff Sessions. The reason is because he is a boy scout in a town full of scumbags. He actually believe what he says about things like illegals, the rule of law and reforming the DOJ. Donald Trump took both Sessions position on illegals and his chief advisor, Stephen Miller. That's how serious he is on this issue.

He hasn't been sleeping at all and even a cursory review of what he has been doing at the DOJ would demonstrate that and he does not strike me as the kind of guy who would go through a years worth of abuse both from his boss (although I think most of that was kabuki) and Republicans in general just to walk away from everything.

If I'm wrong it won't matter because we won't have a country left and I say that without a hint of hyperbole. The crimes are so enormous and the tentacles go to the highest levels of our government and stretch across the ocean. We have literally never seen anything remotely like this before.

Everyone wants it done yesterday but more importantly everyone wants it done right. You can't have both. I can wait.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2018 06:41 PM (/tuJf)

103 Now McCabe is raising virtually the same defense that did not work for Flynn: that there was a lot going on and he was "confused and distracted."

They have no shame.

And the only standards they have are double.

Posted by: Golfman at March 27, 2018 06:41 PM (48QDY)

104 When things finally go down, remember, the Key Bridge in DC has lamp posts. Lots of lamp posts.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at March 27, 2018 06:41 PM (xzqr4)

105 Amending my own last comment, about what might be the lead count in any indictment faced by weasel McCabe (apologies to Weasel), I was leaving out what I expect/hope to be very serious obstruction charges arising from the Clinton Espionage Act non-investigation. Those would be the top charges, I would think.

Posted by: Very Unstable Semi-Genius, AKA rhomboid at March 27, 2018 06:41 PM (v9gSJ)

106 You have never seen the inside of a women's restroom.

Boy, that's the truth. As a woman myself I am seriously disgusted sometimes with what I see in a ladies room.. twern't no lady in there.

Posted by: Jewells45 at March 27, 2018 06:42 PM (dUJdY)

107 .It wasn't just overwhelming, I think about 95% of the people on here were absolutely convinced that mccabe would not be fired by Sessions and be allowed to go merrily on his way. "

I thought he would be fired that morning, but by the time closing time rolled around I'd lost hope. Ya gotta admit that waiting until late on Friday night for something like that was a dumbass move.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 27, 2018 06:42 PM (k1TUh)

108 "would it be obstruction or deprivation of due process under color of law"

Not an expert, although I peaked at the elements for "under color of law." Expect it'd be both. Intellectually I don't know how you obstruct justice by making up a crime, rather that thwarting the investigation of an actual crime, but the whole Mueller thing went down the rabbit hole along time ago.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 27, 2018 06:43 PM (n+6mJ)

109 You have never seen the inside of a women's restroom.
...

That's illegal now, right?

Posted by: Tanner Boyle at March 27, 2018 06:43 PM (ROV4u)

110 Lest we forget, McCabe created false file memos to corroborate Comey's false file memos (which Comey leaked to the Times) which were intended to frame POTUS Trump with an obstruction charge about Trump's motives for firing Comey, to be brought by Mueller.

This is the stuff that is frankly shocking to me. I don't expect the general public to follow, understand, or care about this stuff. It has virtually no impact on them directly.

But the press, the legal community, academics, and government should all be deeply, deeply outraged, concerned, freaked out, and horrified. ALL of them, no matter who it hurts or helps. This was an incomprehensible abuse of power and spectacularly illegal in an attempt to utterly destroy democracy in this nation.

Instead, they're trying to act like Trump is the one ruining everything and well mistakes may have been made but you're overstating things and besides he had it coming.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2018 06:43 PM (39g3+)

111 Turley notes that the worst aspect of the making-a-false-charge law isn't that it's overly broad -- it's that its over-broadness permits the FBI to selectively and arbitrarily apply it, or selectively and arbitrarily decide that its FaceBook Friends List is immune.

Tyranny is not marked out by it's severity, but rather by it's capriciousness.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 27, 2018 06:44 PM (yQpMk)

112 >>>>>It wasn't just overwhelming, I think about 95% of
the people on here were absolutely convinced that mccabe would not be
fired by Sessions and be allowed to go merrily on his way. "

I thought he would be fired that morning, but by the time closing
time rolled around I'd lost hope. Ya gotta admit that waiting until
late on Friday night for something like that was a dumbass move.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 27, 2018 06:42 PM
.
.
.Not really....a late Friday night news release is the preferred method in DC. Cuts down on the media drama, doesn't eliminate it, but it does short change the media cycle.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 27, 2018 06:44 PM (+Dllb)

113 Men are gross.

Frankly I don't know what you see in us. And I don't mean that as a joke. We are hairy and lumpy and smelly and often crude and juvenile and stupid. Women smell nice and look nice and are graceful and pretty and classy and smooth and pleasant.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2018 06:39 PM (39g3+)

The only thing saving humanity from extinction is that the female of the species actually ARE horny little vixens . . . . some of the time anyway.

I mean, men are horny pretty much ALL the time, but as we all know, it takes two to, er, tango.

Posted by: filbert at March 27, 2018 06:44 PM (953wK)

114 You have never seen the inside of a women's restroom.

I've ranted on that enough here already but: boy howdy.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2018 06:44 PM (39g3+)

115 It wasn't just overwhelming, I think about 95% of the people on here were absolutely convinced that mccabe would not be fired by Sessions and be allowed to go merrily on his way. "

I've never given a rat's ass about anyone getting fired. I want jail terms.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2018 06:44 PM (z8tEv)

116 Every American has a God-given right to lie to cops. F the feds and this law in particular.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2018 06:18 PM (39g3+)

You are correct. Perjury is for lying to the court, not just to officers of the court in their off-time. And to Congress in sworn testimony, of course.

Even so, I want McCabe in an orange jumpsuit doing hard labor. But I'm willing to have him actually taken to trial in order to get that, and then putting any lies he tells in court testimony added to his time as perjury charges later.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 27, 2018 06:44 PM (8gDQu)

117 "28 Good to see that Cato piece on Gabriel Over the White House. There's been a very thorough and systematic effort to expunge all connection between the academic left and fascism, eugenics, and the evils of the early 20th century. But it was real, it was strong, and it was pervasive.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor "

And it still is.

Saw that movie on Amazon Prime late last year ... I was expecting something along the lines of "Mr Smith Goes To Washington", but ... I was misinformed.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at March 27, 2018 06:44 PM (FlXVN)

118 While I am quite fond of the UK I am neither the ex Foreign Minister of the UK nor am I a rebel leader leading an insurrection in the UK in the 1300's.

Deadhead.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2018 06:45 PM (/tuJf)

119 93
Men are gross.

Frankly I don't know what you see in us. And I don't mean that as a
joke. We are hairy and lumpy and smelly and often crude and juvenile
and stupid. Women smell nice and look nice and are graceful and pretty
and classy and smooth and pleasant.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2018 06:39 PM (39g3+)
They see us as very defective women who are good at fixing stuff.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 27, 2018 06:45 PM (o7tuA)

120 Podesta Brothers. Clintons. Eric The Red. Lois Lernor. Most of the Senate. Most of the Agency heads at plenty of Obama-weaponized cabinet departments. Comey, McCabe et al.

They should all be prosecuted.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Close Down The FBI! at March 27, 2018 06:45 PM (LISuA)

121 But there is no money in that.

Posted by: Attorneys

Considering how wealthy even low-level functionaries are becoming serving in government why not just switch to estate distribution post-execution?

Posted by: Sharkman at March 27, 2018 06:46 PM (RIKJa)

122 The only thing saving humanity from extinction is that the female of the species actually ARE horny little vixens . . . . some of the time anyway.

I have a sneaking suspicion that if men had telepathy, the world population would double in five years. I think women are just as horny as men -- if not more -- but are better at self control because its more of a personal thing for them and the consequences are greater.

Plus, women game out all the bad stuff that could happen as a matter of natural inclination and personality. Men just go for it and figure they can fix it later or adapt.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2018 06:46 PM (39g3+)

123 JackStraw, I think you're right about Sessions. I think he's still the guy who gutted the Klan back when that was still dangerous. We got wrong-footed, not because of the recusal, but because it left Rosenstein in charge.

And Rosenstein is just another tentacle.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at March 27, 2018 06:47 PM (Ndje9)

124 Yeah, I doubt McCabe will end up doing overnight security at some warehouse near the airport.

Posted by: tu3031 at March 27, 2018 06:47 PM (O5Q3r)

125 I've long been a fan of this whole "gathering storm" theory but patience in killing me.

I want to see some lightening strikes.

Posted by: Huck Follywood

Shades of 1939, the Phoney War

Posted by: Jean at March 27, 2018 06:47 PM (MS0+a)

126 It wasn't just overwhelming, I think about 95% of the people on here were absolutely convinced that mccabe would not be fired by Sessions and be allowed to go merrily on his way.

But to be fair, the expectation that there will be no justice is well-founded after watching the rich and powerful not just get away with everything, but prosper from it at our expense. At this point, its a shock when they don't.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2018 06:48 PM (39g3+)

127 "44
It is for times like this I pull out my Floyd Ferris quote:

"There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any
government has is to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't
enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a
crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.
Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for
anyone? But just pass the kinds of laws that can neither be observed nor
enforced nor objectively interpreted-and you create a nation of
lawbreakers-and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr.
Rearden, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much
easier to deal with."

I know, quoting Ayn Rand is thoughtcrime these days, but there it is.

Posted by: blaster at March 27, 2018 06:27 PM (jHrzU) "

Not by me it's not.
Said it before, I'll keep on saying it, Any Rand wasn't much as a literary stylist, but as a prophet she was bloody-fucking-spot-on.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at March 27, 2018 06:48 PM (FlXVN)

128 The only thing saving humanity from extinction is that the female of the species actually ARE horny little vixens
...

I'm the cure.

Posted by: wedding cake at March 27, 2018 06:49 PM (ROV4u)

129 Frankly I don't know what you see in us. And I don't mean that as a joke. We are hairy and lumpy and smelly and often crude and juvenile and stupid. Women smell nice and look nice and are graceful and pretty and classy and smooth and pleasant.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 20

Enough sucking up to AtC.

Posted by: Golfman at March 27, 2018 06:50 PM (48QDY)

130 John 'I'm not dead yet' McCain is supposed to do a no hold barred critique of PDT. Not sure where I heard it.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 27, 2018 06:50 PM (o7tuA)

131
Men are gross.

We are hairy and lumpy and smelly and often crude and juvenile
and stupid. Women smell nice and look nice and are graceful and pretty
and classy and smooth and pleasant.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2018 06:39 PM

H8ter!

Posted by: Adnerson Cooper at March 27, 2018 06:50 PM (EzdLW)

132 It wasn't just overwhelming, I think about 95% of the people on here were absolutely convinced that mccabe would not be fired by Sessions and be allowed to go merrily on his way.

McCabe was allowed to go merrily on his way until the last two steps. He suffered almost nothing from that dreaded firing that came long after it should have. And the DOJ should have initiated some complaints against McCabe to claw back many years of his salaries and try to snatch the whole of his pension from him.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 27, 2018 06:51 PM (8gDQu)

133 "64 52
~~Hang~~ Drone them all and let G-d sort them out.

Posted by: Sharkman at March 27, 2018 06:29 PM (RIKJa)

But there is no money in that.
Posted by: Attorneys at March 27, 2018 06:31 PM (UsCnO)"

FIFY

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at March 27, 2018 06:51 PM (FlXVN)

134 >>>>It wasn't just overwhelming, I think about 95% of
the people on here were absolutely convinced that mccabe would not be
fired by Sessions and be allowed to go merrily on his way.

But to be fair, the expectation that there will be no justice is
well-founded after watching the rich and powerful not just get away with
everything, but prosper from it at our expense. At this point, its a
shock when they don't.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2018 06:48 PM
.
.
.What we are seeing this time appears different, at least to me. After mccabe got fired he leaked the "I had Sessions under investigation story".......that smacks of desperation to me. Something we really have not seen so far in DC.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 27, 2018 06:51 PM (+Dllb)

135 Frankly I don't know what you see in us. And I don't mean that as a
joke. We are hairy and lumpy and smelly and often crude and juvenile
and stupid. Women smell nice and look nice and are graceful and pretty
and classy and smooth and pleasant.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2018 06:39 PM (39g3+)

I love men. Love men, way prefer them to women. However, I do find real men's lack of squeemishness around certain bodily functions disconcerting. My middle son, for example, likes to weigh before and after "dumping" and has a "where I took a shit" in the US app. My oldest went through a box of kleenex a day.
Men are strong and simple (in a good way) and get over things and have muscles and make us feel little and feminine and pretty. They're also easy to make happy. And are mostly kind and less selfish.

Posted by: dagny at March 27, 2018 06:51 PM (CAKgV)

136
I think women are just as horny as men --

It's a different kind of horny though

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at March 27, 2018 06:51 PM (lKyWE)

137 By now I have some sense of how Trump thinks -- he's part Sicilian in process but acts slowly and cooly. There's no way he's going to let Comey and McCabe get away with what they've been doing to him and his inner circle. In a recent tweet Trump went out of his way to put a bull's eye on Jimmy Drama. He'll be lucky not to get decades in MaxSecurity GenPop.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 27, 2018 06:52 PM (n+6mJ)

138 John 'I'm not dead yet' McCain is supposed to do a no hold barred critique of PDT. Not sure where I heard it.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob

I thought he was supposed to release a book?

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2018 06:52 PM (z8tEv)

139 Jackstraw and I agree on Sessions, and we've both been telling people to wait and be patient and understand that justice isn't a 1-hour TV show, it takes a long time to unfold a major investigation.

But still, it wouldn't shock me if the evil triumphed and the criminals walked. Less yet if they managed to take down the Trump administration in the process. We just live in that kind of word, and that kind of country.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2018 06:53 PM (39g3+)

140 John 'I'm not dead yet' McCain is supposed to do a no hold barred critique of PDT. Not sure where I heard it.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob

At this point, I doubt he can feed himself, so who on his staff is writing this to get a job at The Atlantic?

Posted by: Jean at March 27, 2018 06:53 PM (MS0+a)

141
I know, quoting Ayn Rand is thoughtcrime these days, but there it is.
Posted by: blaster at March 27, 2018 06:27 PM (jHrzU)

If quoting that passage is wrong, I don't want to be right.

Posted by: rickl at March 27, 2018 06:53 PM (sdi6R)

142 We have to cull all the Tom Smukowskis in Washington.
"You can't fire me, I'm a people person."

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at March 27, 2018 06:53 PM (+rS8o)

143 I still have no idea about women. When i think i do, it bites me on the ass. Just sayin'. Perhaps its because they can change from one day to the next.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 27, 2018 06:54 PM (o7tuA)

144 I think women are just as horny as men -- if not more --

Most definitely. However, we don't like to be "used" which is the problem for you guys.

Posted by: dagny at March 27, 2018 06:54 PM (CAKgV)

145 " The only thing saving humanity from extinction is that the female of the species actually ARE horny little vixens . . . . some of the time anyway. "

A great Heinlein-character quote:

"Women can forgive almost anything; otherwise the species would have died out long ago."

I think it was in "Beyond This Horizon" ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at March 27, 2018 06:54 PM (FlXVN)

146 Men are easy to make happy because for the most part we have simple desires and are always surprised when someone else helps fulfill them. You made me a sammich??? My day is made!!!!!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2018 06:54 PM (39g3+)

147 The French cop who died in the terrorist attack the other day survived his four wounds long enough to marry his fiance on his deathbed. They had planned to be married this June.

RIP.

Posted by: Sharkman at March 27, 2018 06:55 PM (RIKJa)

148 >>This was an incomprehensible abuse of power and spectacularly illegal in an attempt to utterly destroy democracy in this nation.

But how can you even call it democracy when ppl were voting for Trump???

When women were being told to vote for Trump by their husbands???

She should have been ahead by 50 million points and therefore it's totes democracy to "fix" "things" "."

/

Posted by: Mama AJ at March 27, 2018 06:55 PM (mtfdF)

149 I thought he was supposed to release a book?

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2018 06:52 PM (z8tEv)

thats it.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 27, 2018 06:55 PM (o7tuA)

150
I love men. Love men, way prefer them to women. However, I do find real men's lack of squeemishness around certain bodily functions disconcerting. My middle son, for example, likes to weigh before and after "dumping" and has a "where I took a shit" in the US app

It's not so much that we LIKE those bodily functions. It's more that we never got over our childlike sense of humor about them. Maybe more women do get over it than men. IIRC, Rush said he included flatulence jokes in the Rush Revere books after studying / researching /being told by someone that kids are fascinated by bodily functions and think they're hilarious.

Posted by: Hands at March 27, 2018 06:56 PM (EzdLW)

151 The French cop who died in the terrorist attack the other day survived his four wounds long enough to marry his fiance on his deathbed. They had planned to be married this June.

RIP.
Posted by: Sharkman

What terrorist attack?

Posted by: Jean at March 27, 2018 06:56 PM (MS0+a)

152 I still have no idea about women. When i think i do, it bites me on the ass. Just sayin'. Perhaps its because they can change from one day to the next.

Billy Connolly on women's demands (NSFW):

https://youtu.be/FbweXPVKPxg

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2018 06:56 PM (39g3+)

153 What are these words "law" and "justice", you people keep referring to?

Silly plebes.

Posted by: Democrats and FBI Leadership at March 27, 2018 06:57 PM (UsCnO)

154 I want to say here and now. JackStraw has read and studied this whole thing from the beginning. I will posit that there is not one other person on this blog that has put as much research into this as he has. For all the Session questioners- did you ever read his Senate page or ever call his office?

Posted by: Ben Had at March 27, 2018 06:57 PM (ClWiZ)

155 John 'I'm not dead yet' McCain is supposed to do a no hold barred critique of PDT. Not sure where I heard it.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob

Probably the Twatter.

Speaking of, if you ever have had the need to blow up your mentions, just jump into one of the 2nd Amendment threads on Twatter.

Fucking near 200 mentions in 4 hours.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 27, 2018 06:57 PM (aPsQQ)

156 When i said "women can change from day to day." i meant that in a good way...of course and not Heidi who is steady as the day is long....

I gotta go now.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 27, 2018 06:57 PM (o7tuA)

157 Screw this. It's apples and oranges. Things are different for the Flynn prosecution since he is more likely to know about Trump watching Shark Week with a whore.

Posted by: Minuteman at March 27, 2018 06:57 PM (GXNWP)

158 >>McCabe was allowed to go merrily on his way until the last two steps. He suffered almost nothing from that dreaded firing that came long after it should have. And the DOJ should have initiated some complaints against McCabe to claw back many years of his salaries and try to snatch the whole of his pension from him.

The complete rewriting of the civil service rules which make what you want impossible will have to wait. Baby steps.

McCabe knew he was getting fired weeks before it happened. Read his lawyers statement closely. He saw the OIG report save for the parts that had to do with criminal proceedings or grand jury information.

Now why would there be grand jury or criminal proceeding information in the report?

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2018 06:58 PM (/tuJf)

159 Billy Connolly on women's demands (NSFW):

https://youtu.be/FbweXPVKPxg

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2018 06:56 PM (39g3+)

LMAO!!!!

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 27, 2018 06:59 PM (o7tuA)

160 "Deadhead.
Posted by: JackStraw"

Thank you.
I, too, have wondered about that for a long time.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at March 27, 2018 06:59 PM (FlXVN)

161 Posted by: Hands at March 27, 2018 06:56 PM (EzdLW)

I have a pile of sons, brothers, a pile of nephews, etc. Farts are high humor, as are jerking off jokes and penis jokes. Puts Hogarth to shame. The epitome of wit here is rather "low" humor.

And I'm still laughing at John "Not dead yet" McCain...

Posted by: dagny at March 27, 2018 07:00 PM (CAKgV)

162 Fucking near 200 mentions in 4 hours.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 27, 2018 06:57 PM (aPsQQ)

No twatter for me. probably quick mention on talk radio.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 27, 2018 07:00 PM (o7tuA)

163 Snoozy Jeff will nothing until the OIG report is released, and then all he will do is appoint another special counsel imho. I dunno if Snoozy J has the balls to make the appt a special prosecutor. This man works by procedure and stays safely away from the edges.

Posted by: BluesFish at March 27, 2018 07:00 PM (Dahm/)

164
I've long been a fan of this whole "gathering storm" theory but patience in killing me.

I want to see some lightening strikes.

----------------------------------------
It's always best to get your duck in a row before starting to shoot. That way you maximize the kill/ordinance ratio ..... which is a good thing

Posted by: I'm the Honey Badger, BITCH! at March 27, 2018 07:00 PM (hikCO)

165 Jackstraw and I agree on Sessions, and we've both been telling people to wait and be patient and understand that justice isn't a 1-hour TV show, it takes a long time to unfold a major investigation.

But still, it wouldn't shock me if the evil triumphed and the criminals walked. Less yet if they managed to take down the Trump administration in the process. We just live in that kind of word, and that kind of country.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

Fuck that shit! I've been promised major trials are coming!

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2018 07:00 PM (z8tEv)

166 The other thing that might happen is dozens of people getting hit with criminal leak charges. It'll send a message, but also create a race to who flips first.

I'm troubled by leakers who are actively working with MSM. Should MSM get a pass if they're instigating?

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 27, 2018 07:01 PM (n+6mJ)

167 dagny@135

Thank you.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at March 27, 2018 07:01 PM (FlXVN)

168 >>Snoozy Jeff will nothing until the OIG report is released, and then all he will do is appoint another special counsel imho. I dunno if Snoozy J has the balls to make the appt a special prosecutor. This man works by procedure and stays safely away from the edges.

He's already appointed an outside prosecutor.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2018 07:01 PM (/tuJf)

169 113
The only thing saving humanity from extinction is that the female of the species actually ARE horny little vixens

Posted by: filbert at March 27, 2018 06:44 PM (953wK)

I've never personally seen any evidence of that. I'll have to take your word for it.

Posted by: rickl at March 27, 2018 07:02 PM (sdi6R)

170 However, we don't like to be "used" which is the problem for you guys.
...

I know right?

*cough cough gag*

Posted by: Stormy Daniels at March 27, 2018 07:02 PM (ROV4u)

171 I want any storm to break closer to the midterms. Trump understands the timing and the build up.

Posted by: dagny at March 27, 2018 07:02 PM (CAKgV)

172 Ironies of Irony:

A bunch of leftiods are shitting themselves over The Atlantic hiring Kevin "DeathToRurals" Williamson.

The credential urban 'elites' just don't like him.

*sniff*

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 27, 2018 07:02 PM (aPsQQ)

173 2 Sometimes I have a hard time remembering which laws apply to Those who Know Better than I and which don't. Could someone let me know?

Posted by: GrandBandWagoneer

It's easy to keep them straight. None of them.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at March 27, 2018 07:02 PM (IeDO8)

174 144
I think women are just as horny as men -- if not more --

Most definitely. However, we don't like to be "used" which is the problem for you guys.

Posted by: dagny at March 27, 2018 06:54 PM (CAKgV)

I don't see it as a problem. But it is also not emblematic that men not passing an opportunity for a little play time think that they are somehow using a women. If your heart is not in it, there is always the toaster.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at March 27, 2018 07:03 PM (Dp6qK)

175 BluesFish, ever heard the expression "half cocked"? Sessions doesn't do that.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 27, 2018 07:03 PM (ClWiZ)

176 "Snoozy Jeff will nothing until the OIG report is released, and then all he will do is appoint another special counsel."

Blue Fish must have been stuck in the shoals and wasn't aware of that.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 27, 2018 07:03 PM (tpDAe)

177 The only play for the likes of Comey and McCabe is for MSM to spin it and dismiss it.

But indictments are stubborn things.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 27, 2018 07:04 PM (n+6mJ)

178 154 I want to say here and now. JackStraw has read and studied this whole thing from the beginning. I will posit that there is not one other person on this blog that has put as much research into this as he has. For all the Session questioners- did you ever read his Senate page or ever call his office?
Posted by: Ben Had at March 27, 2018 06:57 PM (ClWiZ)

You know some of it is just jokes. And venting our frustration at the slow wheels of justice and Justice delayed is justice denied. And having no faith in the federal government at all.

Point is there's a whole lot going on behind just the snarky Sleepy Sessions jokes.

Posted by: Buzzion at March 27, 2018 07:04 PM (lKs2v)

179 172
Ironies of Irony:

A bunch of leftiods are shitting themselves over The Atlantic hiring Kevin "DeathToRurals" Williamson.

The credential urban 'elites' just don't like him.

*sniff*

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 27, 2018 07:02 PM (aPsQQ)

It could just be he is an asshole.

Posted by: Meagain Kelly at March 27, 2018 07:04 PM (Dp6qK)

180 Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn is a political prisoner, full stop. Amnesty International needs to take up his cause.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at March 27, 2018 07:04 PM (II0OZ)

181 When i was single when a girlfriend got in my face. I would use the excuse "cause guys are assholes." They are. I was.

Ahem. present company excluded. (why are we saying this now here btw?)

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 27, 2018 07:04 PM (o7tuA)

182 "I want any storm to break closer to the midterms. Trump understands the timing and the build up."

Yes. It's semi-scripted, like reality TV and the WWE.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 27, 2018 07:05 PM (n+6mJ)

183 another difference, which I can't recall the impact of right now was that the FBI initially said Flynn didn't lie, or at least didn't deceive. So, Mueller had someone at the FBI change the status or did mueller do it on his own through his own office without hte FBI being on board...or was it McCabe that made the change?;

Posted by: Chaos! At the White House at March 27, 2018 07:05 PM (DQC26)

184 nood Stevens

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at March 27, 2018 07:05 PM (NL6wI)

185 CNN is mad because the Donald made them break up with their Oboyfriend. This Ahab Stormy-obsession is journalistic Revenge Porn.

First it was assassination porn. Then impeachment porn. Now it's porn porn.

"CNN: The Revenge Porn Network!"

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at March 27, 2018 07:05 PM (Ndje9)

186 23 McCabe has a big exposure, as do the others who framed Flynn. ...

You just need Strzok or Priestap to testify to tie it up in a bow.

...

Posted by: Ignoramus

Done and Done.

Posted by: Strzok and Priestap at March 27, 2018 07:06 PM (IeDO8)

187 CNN is just really angry because Trump called them out and they decided that now its war and they buy ink by the barrel so he best watch out!

Except... they're old tech. And idiotic to boot.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 27, 2018 07:06 PM (39g3+)

188 A bunch of leftiods are shitting themselves over The Atlantic hiring Kevin "DeathToRurals" Williamson.

Aww. Does Kevvy's ideological broromance not luv him? Gee, it's like he's a gorilla riding an escalator.

Posted by: dagny at March 27, 2018 07:07 PM (CAKgV)

189 "You just need Strzok or Priestap to testify to tie it up in a bow."

What's remarkable is that the Strzok-Paige texts are wonderful evidence. They're better than if Strzok had worn a wire the whole time.

So Mr Strzok, what did you mean by "insurance."

And we've only gotten a taste of what's in the texts.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 27, 2018 07:09 PM (n+6mJ)

190 Jackstraw and I agree on Sessions, and we've both been telling people to wait and be patient and understand that justice isn't a 1-hour TV show, it takes a long time to unfold a major investigation.

But still, it wouldn't shock me if the evil triumphed and the criminals walked. Less yet if they managed to take down the Trump administration in the process. We just live in that kind of word, and that kind of country.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

Fuck that shit! I've been promised major trials are coming!

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2018 07:00 PM (z8tEv)

I want fucking tribunals !

Posted by: The Jackhole Somewhere on Ventura Highway at March 27, 2018 07:10 PM (M+Lyo)

191 Boy, that's the truth. As a woman myself I am seriously disgusted sometimes with what I see in a ladies room.. twern't no lady in there.

Posted by: Jewells45 at March 27, 2018 06:42 PM (dUJdY)

What you see or what you smell?

Posted by: clutch at March 27, 2018 07:10 PM (kiSdp)

192 189:

"What's remarkable is that the Strzok-Paige texts are wonderful evidence. They're better than if Strzok had worn a wire the whole time."

Absolutely. I wonder how the propaganda organs will spin the texts if their DOJ buds get prosecuted. Jokes?

We all understand that justice grinds slowly. The real problem, at least for me, is that Strzok and Paige continue to be employed. It's simultaneously nauseating and frightening that Strzok, who claimed an ability to smell odors emanating from Virginia Trump voters, continues to work at personnel last I checked. I mean...c'mon. If he had said that about anyone else he would have been fired and forced into hiding already.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at March 27, 2018 07:17 PM (II0OZ)

193 Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2018 07:01 PM (/tuJf)
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save your breath & time

Posted by: DeploraBOT at March 27, 2018 07:20 PM (y3aQB)

194 >>We all understand that justice grinds slowly. The real problem, at least for me, is that Strzok and Paige continue to be employed.

While they are employed they are subject to DOJ rules which include access from the IG and his prosecutor. Once they are off the payroll they are untouchable by him.

They are still there because they are cooperating.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2018 07:22 PM (/tuJf)

195 "194 >>We all understand that justice grinds slowly. The real problem, at least for me, is that Strzok and Paige continue to be employed.

While they are employed they are subject to DOJ rules which include access from the IG and his prosecutor. Once they are off the payroll they are untouchable by him.

They are still there because they are cooperating."

Not such a problem, then. Thanks, Jack! You may have written that previously and I missed it, but it makes an immense amount of sense.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at March 27, 2018 07:26 PM (II0OZ)

196 I've been closely following JS's posts for a while now, because it's pretty obvious he's done his homework. And I don't doubt him about the Sessions stuff. I think Sessions is a straight shooter from the old school.

Here's where my doubts come in. I think these people hold too much power to be stopped. They have been so brazen about ignoring the election and barreling forward with open disregard for the sanctity of the vote.

If they are willing to publicly shunt aside the ballot box, then why would they be afraid to shunt aside the jury box?

They'll just find a Hawaiian judge to make it all better for the right people.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 27, 2018 07:31 PM (UiRxW)

197 Really, it's very simple McCabe cannot be charged because he is On the Right Side, and therefore cannot have done anything wrong. Flynn, on the other hand, was one of the minions of darkness.

Posted by: George LeS at March 27, 2018 07:31 PM (+TcCF)

198 "When you strike at a king, you must kill him."

The "king" in this case being not Trump but the Deep State.

Posted by: filbert at March 27, 2018 07:31 PM (953wK)

199 "potus wants to know everything we're doing."

I bet he RILLY RILLY wants to know everything they're doing now.

Page and Strzokh didn't act without McCabe. McCabe didn't act without Comey. Comey didn't act without Lynch--or Brennan. Lynch didn't act without Barry. And Valerie.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at March 27, 2018 07:36 PM (Ndje9)

200 Companies that can no longer cover retirement benefits never hesitate to void whatever contract they made with the people they promised them too.

So McCabe should expect the promise of his already vested benefits why?
He should have thought about potential loss of his benefits before he 'got confused'.

The government goes back on their promises to us, the bill payers, every freaking week. And I should worry about them living up to their over priced promises to hairballs like McCabe why?

Posted by: DamnedYankee at March 27, 2018 08:53 PM (sXU73)

201 I was confused when I promised not to do that thing in your mouth.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler, who was raped by Emily Lindin! at March 27, 2018 09:57 PM (wSC8T)

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