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Uber Stops Driverless-Car Testing After Fatal Rundown of Pedestrian in Arizona

Not ready for drive time:

Uber Technologies Inc. halted autonomous vehicle tests after one of its cars struck and killed a woman in Tempe, Arizona, in what is likely the first pedestrian fatality involving the technology.

The 49-year-old woman, Elaine Herzberg, was crossing the road outside of a crosswalk when the Uber vehicle operating in autonomous mode under the supervision of a human safety driver struck her, according to the Tempe Police Department.

Anyone who's ever played Age of Empires kind of doubts computers' abilities as far as simple navigation.

Not trying to be funny -- it's just one of those thing where a computer shows how truly dumb it is. In Age of Empires, you'd see one of your little workers get hopelessly stuck in some trees, not seeing the obvious pathway around them, and you'd have to click them out of it with very short waypoints, basically saying "This way, stupid."

They're also not good yet at seeing.

Oh, they're better at all these things now, of course. But driving involves a lot of things that seem simple to a human but which are hard for a computer. The human eye easily separates moving foreground objects from the background, and the optic nerve begins calculating vectors of things moving in the eye's view. We have deep-coded reflexes that help us avoid collisions and take alert when something's moving towards us.

Even supercomputers just aren't good at these very basic animal-level abilities yet.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 05:44 PM




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1 st?

Posted by: Alskari at March 20, 2018 05:38 PM (tdVTp)

2 So stupid. There are 15 pedestrian deaths per day in the US, but because this person jaywalked and the driverless car hit her, stuff stops?

Posted by: Ann at March 20, 2018 05:39 PM (jtHQy)

3 Snowflakes hate to drive.

Posted by: redenzo at March 20, 2018 05:40 PM (14qvS)

4 Is the "Ace of Spades" signoff significant, ace (of Spades)?


Just curious.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 20, 2018 05:41 PM (QDnY+)

5 If I know my city governments, that lady's next of kin will soon be receiving a fine for jaywalking.

Posted by: mugiwara at March 20, 2018 05:41 PM (AK1lh)

6 can the driving computer judge distance when it 'sees' someone crossing the street?

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at March 20, 2018 05:41 PM (KxbBq)

7 i feel like the guy in the irobot movie.
i'll drive myself...thank you very much.

Posted by: concrete girl at March 20, 2018 05:41 PM (N0sw0)

8 Beep beep!


GTF outta my way!



Posted by: driverless Uber car at March 20, 2018 05:41 PM (UsCnO)

9 Not my fault, the car did it

Posted by: Skip at March 20, 2018 05:41 PM (aC6Sd)

10 Driverless corvette. You'll never see.

Posted by: redenzo at March 20, 2018 05:41 PM (14qvS)

11 Not to defend the Killer Robot Car, but...it seems the lady walked off the meridian straight into traffic. According to a witness, it happened in a split second.

Sounds like it would have been the same result if there had been a driver.

Still don't like the idea of driverless cars though.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 20, 2018 05:41 PM (Dn4Uq)

12 ...plus...where i am, i get to drive pretty fast.

Posted by: concrete girl at March 20, 2018 05:42 PM (N0sw0)

13 Stop the car, Hal.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, Twice as Smug as You at March 20, 2018 05:42 PM (QQ+il)

14 re 4: I was wondering the same thing, our host used to just be "Ace".

maybe he converted.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at March 20, 2018 05:42 PM (KxbBq)

15 So stupid. There are 15 pedestrian deaths per day in
the US, but because this person jaywalked and the driverless car hit
her, stuff stops?

Posted by: Ann at March 20, 2018 05:39 PM (jtHQy)


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Damn. There are 15 pedestrian deaths each day and those are with individuals making complex choices each moment based on a lifetime of experiences and multiple variables involved in their surroundings that they base on each of their five senses?

Yeah, computers driving is destined to fail.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I'm No Longer Selling ARs Until My $300 Ones Will Go For $1000 at March 20, 2018 05:42 PM (ks6bw)

16 I mean, clearly the tech isn't ready for prime time. That anyone would even try it out yet is a bit surprising.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 05:42 PM (39g3+)

17 I wish they'd hurry up and get these driverless cars out there. They will be great for the elderly and visually impaired, allowing people to live basically anywhere (and not have to rely on relative, taxis, etc).

Posted by: Ann at March 20, 2018 05:42 PM (jtHQy)

18 I guess the human safety driver much help.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 20, 2018 05:42 PM (NWiLs)

19 I think by the time self driving cars are actually ready that virtual commuting and other such garbage will have dried up a lot of the market for people who would actually afford such a thing.

Posted by: Alskari at March 20, 2018 05:42 PM (tdVTp)

Posted by: Johnnie Cab at March 20, 2018 05:43 PM (Dp6qK)

21 Top 30?

Posted by: Nationalist Pikachu at March 20, 2018 05:43 PM (4YjNb)

22 Weymo and Uber have test cars all over the valley. Word is they will start testing driverless semis. Stupid.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at March 20, 2018 05:43 PM (rXFv5)

23 Its not just millenials who hate driving. There is a gal in my office, very intelligent but with very progressive ideas and loves the concept of self driving cars. And she is in her mid 40s

Posted by: IC at March 20, 2018 05:43 PM (a0IVu)

24 The human safety driver was transitioning M2F.

Probably got the job to check a box

Posted by: Nationalist Pikachu at March 20, 2018 05:43 PM (4YjNb)

25 The obvious solution is just to build more pedestrian bridges, no?

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at March 20, 2018 05:43 PM (uDcBt)

26 14 re 4: I was wondering the same thing, our host used to just be "Ace".

maybe he converted.
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at March 20, 2018 05:42 PM (KxbBq)

Ever since he got them newfangled eye-Kia shelves he's been puttin' on airs.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 20, 2018 05:44 PM (NWiLs)

27 Not to defend the Killer Robot Car, but...it seems the lady walked off
the meridian straight into traffic. According to a witness, it happened
in a split second.


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It's an interesting point. The lady was probably an ass who did this to people constantly because she knew from experience that other humans would stop since she was more important that they were.

These automated cars aren't human.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I'm No Longer Selling ARs Until My $300 Ones Will Go For $1000 at March 20, 2018 05:44 PM (ks6bw)

28 A person knows that a pedestrian could step in front of them. A person unconsciously considers possibilities as well as positions.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, Twice as Smug as You at March 20, 2018 05:44 PM (QQ+il)

29 it wont work unless it can tell not only if there is something in front of it but what that something is ....

Posted by: E.T. at March 20, 2018 05:44 PM (nzKWW)

30 Th Uber driver is a convicted felon, convicted of armed robbery under a different name.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 20, 2018 05:44 PM (0ogQG)

31 Sounds like it would have been the same result if there had been a driver.


Still don't like the idea of driverless cars though.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 20, 2018 05:41 PM (Dn4Uq)

I Agree with both of your points.

Unfortunately, when the driverless car systems get good enough, our insurance companies are going to start charging a premium to drive without using them.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 20, 2018 05:44 PM (wYseH)

32 Did you see video of me on the news?

I was flashing my Volvo safety lights as they were taking the woman I hit away.


Pretty sexy, huh?



Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at March 20, 2018 05:44 PM (UsCnO)

33 I am reliably informed (by a news report I heard on the radio today, so it must be true) that the deceased in this case darted into traffic in such a way that even Michael Schumacher on his best day still would have T-Boned her.

So we are still good to go for me to get my F-14 Tomcat Flying Car!!!!

Wooo hooo!!!

Posted by: Sharkman at March 20, 2018 05:44 PM (dDMQ9)

34 *wasn't* much help

Geez.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 20, 2018 05:44 PM (NWiLs)

35 I think by the time self driving cars are actually
ready that virtual commuting and other such garbage will have dried up a
lot of the market for people who would actually afford such a thing.

Posted by: Alskari at March 20, 2018 05:42 PM (tdVTp)


No risk of customers getting DUIs, thus increasing sales? We're good with it.

Posted by: Bar Owners Everywhere at March 20, 2018 05:44 PM (yzxic)

36 did they figure out what went wrong with the car?

Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 20, 2018 05:44 PM (hMwEB)

37 Dunno if true, but heard that this was an unavoidable accident (i.e. pedestrian jumped out from blind location, even a normal driver would have been unlikely to avoid hitting her).


Also true that pedestrian fatalities are "normal" (occur every day, always have, always will, somehow).


Still doesn't address underlying issue: why a driver-less car? If the cost savings don't exceed the properly internalized real costs of the technology plus insurance to cover likely scenarios where the technology *will* fail - or fail to equal human peformance for some reason - then there is literally no rational reason for it.


Then again, I am particularly out of step with so many, as I fail to see the point or appeal of driver-less cars, outside a few niche applications.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 20, 2018 05:45 PM (QDnY+)

38 >>>30 Th Uber driver is a convicted felon, convicted of armed robbery under a different name.
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 20, 2018 05:44 PM (0ogQG)
_______
Only under their cis name!

Posted by: Nationalist Pikachu at March 20, 2018 05:45 PM (4YjNb)

39 I still bet on the driverless car to out parallel-park a woman.

Posted by: garrett at March 20, 2018 05:45 PM (bgkfE)

40 Doesn't matter. They've decided we're going to have this shiny thing and by God it's happening no matter how many people get run over.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 20, 2018 05:45 PM (4ErVI)

41 15 So stupid. There are 15 pedestrian deaths per day in
the US, but because this person jaywalked and the driverless car hit
her, stuff stops?

Posted by: Ann at March 20, 2018 05:39 PM (jtHQy)
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Yeah, but this car didn't even slow down. 40 mph when the pedestrian was hit. The car didn't even "see" the person.

That's a big problem.

Posted by: WisRich at March 20, 2018 05:45 PM (G0vdT)

42 when someone crosses the street they look for eye contact with the driver ... that way they know they are seen .... with a damn computer driving you never know if you are seen....

Posted by: E.T. at March 20, 2018 05:45 PM (nzKWW)

43 O/T but some Maryland twit tweeted that if the school shooter had used an AR-15 the death toll would have been much higher.

The stupid, it burns.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at March 20, 2018 05:45 PM (5OEn4)

44 The biggest problem now is that if someone invented a car and we were all still riding horses? Cars wouldn't ever take off.

They are dangerous, big, and cause deaths every day. Nobody would put up with that now, not in a culture where one damned shuttle accident shuts down the space program for more than a decade.

Self-driving cars are a valid commodity, but a few more accidents like this and people will wave signs around and go on CNN calling for a ban. People just won't put up with risk any longer, not for any benefit.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 05:46 PM (39g3+)

45 The only way driverless cars really work is if we remove human-driven vehicles and pedestrians from the road.

People are unpredictable, but somehow we as humans have a sixth sense to usually read other people's unpredictable behavior.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 20, 2018 05:46 PM (F5+ro)

46 Uber: gonna make an omelet gotta break some eggs.

Posted by: simplemind at March 20, 2018 05:46 PM (FgGRo)

47 Ban high capacity fuel tanks!!!!!

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at March 20, 2018 05:46 PM (rXFv5)

48 Hmmmm...I'm wondering about imposters.

Ya know, Y5 has been using smiley faces and emojis and he used to go on screeds against those. I think he even used a sarcasm tag which used to be verboten for him.

And now ace is Ace of Spades.

Invasion of the Thetans?

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at March 20, 2018 05:46 PM (LZJOv)

49
It's an interesting point. The lady was probably an ass who did this
to people constantly because she knew from experience that other humans
would stop since she was more important that they were.




So, you have driven in Seattle.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at March 20, 2018 05:46 PM (UsCnO)

50 They'll work out the bugs, and the government will let them.

In a previous age there is NO FRIKKIN WAY the government would let a private company use public roads to experiment on, especially dense urban areas

But .gov loves control, and autonomous (bullshit) cars give them that control.

I'm 99% sure there will be many "safeguards" the government forces these companies to adhere to, including but not limited to allowing authorized government officials to control the speed and destination of any given vehicle at any given time, or to shut down traffic when they feel it's necessary.

So, you want an omelet? Gotta break a few eggs.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 20, 2018 05:46 PM (z79tQ)

51 Just a bump in the road.

Posted by: Bronco Bama at March 20, 2018 05:47 PM (T71PA)

52 I wish they'd hurry up and get these driverless cars
out there. They will be great for the elderly and visually impaired,
allowing people to live basically anywhere (and not have to rely on
relative, taxis, etc).

Posted by: Ann at March 20, 2018 05:42 PM (jtHQy)


---

Not to mention all the additional time made
available for families to stare at hours and hours of additional advertisements on their Google and Apple
phones, which is what it's all about and why those companies are putting so much effort into it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I'm No Longer Selling ARs Until My $300 Ones Will Go For $1000 at March 20, 2018 05:47 PM (ks6bw)

53 and so it begins

Posted by: x at March 20, 2018 05:47 PM (nFwvY)

54 Nope. No autonomous cars for me. Nope. Not gonna do it. Hell, I don't even use cruise control. I rarely even let the wife drive me anywhere, only when necessary. Call me a control freak.

Posted by: Old Blue at March 20, 2018 05:47 PM (gEvQ8)

55 Wouldn't it get confusing near transit stations and other high-Uber areas with everyone wondering if that's their Uber?

Uber sends you a little picture of the driver. Will the RoboUbers just send you a picture of the car? Will they have little robot voices asking "Are you Joe?"

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 20, 2018 05:47 PM (Dn4Uq)

56
No risk of customers getting DUIs, thus increasing sales? We're good with it.
Posted by: Bar Owners Everywhere at March 20, 2018 05:44 PM (yzxic)

Mmmm local governments may put the kibosh on driverless cars in that case - no money making opportunities for driving under the influence.

The DUI level will go to 0.00 if they allow driverless cars.

Posted by: Ann at March 20, 2018 05:47 PM (jtHQy)

57 That car probably shouldn't have killed that person, but I'm not one to judge.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at March 20, 2018 05:47 PM (ppaKI)

58 Don't like the idea of driverless cars.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 20, 2018 05:47 PM (tpDAe)

59 Enh, it was just some random mundane. To create the Great Socialist Utopia of the future, one must be willing to break a few million eggs. All true New Soviet Men and Women should be willing - and indeed eager - to both bear and inflict such losses.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at March 20, 2018 05:47 PM (rznWS)

60 A driverless car that can get someone to work and back using the same route very day through boring traffic: I can see the charm. But outside congested urban areas for short jaunts? No. Its like electric cars, great for a certain specific sort of driving, if you have huge stacks of extra cash lying around for a specialty car. But otherwise? Nah.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 05:48 PM (39g3+)

61 I'm 99% sure there will be many "safeguards" the government forces these companies to adhere to, including but not limited to allowing authorized government officials to control the speed and destination of any given vehicle at any given time, or to shut down traffic when they feel it's necessary.

You can't smoke in them.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, Twice as Smug as You at March 20, 2018 05:48 PM (QQ+il)

62 The only way driverless cars really work is if we remove human-driven vehicles and pedestrians from the road.

..

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 20, 2018 05:46 PM (F5+ro)


Of course for safety purposes, we'll need a remote kill switch installed on every vehicle, autonomous or not!

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at March 20, 2018 05:48 PM (n9EOP)

63 Here's what I think is going to go wrong next - out of fear and embarrassment at this accident (which was probably unavoidable) the designers are going to come up with some way to make the self driving cars super sensitive to potential risks in the front, such as pedestrians. The problem with that is that once the car is set to be TOO sensitive, then it will be prone to panic braking at event the slightest possibility of an accident.

Take the example of a self driving truck - Imagine a convoy of self driving trucks on a highway, and suddenly a dog runs in front of the lead truck. Imagine the scene if that truck is set to panic brake and jack-knife in front of a line of other trucks that won't possible be able to stop in time.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 20, 2018 05:48 PM (k1TUh)

64 Guess that pedestrian got...

run uber.

Wait, does that scan?

Posted by: Mega at March 20, 2018 05:48 PM (rv0Fo)

65 >>>17 I wish they'd hurry up and get these driverless cars out there. They will be great for the elderly and visually impaired
Posted by: Ann at March 20, 2018 05:42 PM (jtHQy)

Great for taking them out, judging by this example.

Posted by: m at March 20, 2018 05:48 PM (U6XUk)

66 42 when someone crosses the street they look for eye contact with the driver ...

As a frequent pedestrian myself, that is an excellent point.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 20, 2018 05:48 PM (Dn4Uq)

67 Yeah, but this car didn't even slow down. 40 mph when the pedestrian was hit. The car didn't even "see" the person.

That's a big problem.
Posted by: WisRich at March 20, 2018 05:45 PM (G0vdT)

Stay off the road if you are walking. That's why sidewalks and crosswalks were invented.

Posted by: Ann at March 20, 2018 05:48 PM (jtHQy)

68 Tubes.

We need to start moving people through tubes.

Posted by: garrett at March 20, 2018 05:48 PM (bgkfE)

69 The operator of a self-driving Uber vehicle that struck and killed a pedestrian in suburban Phoenix Monday was a convicted felon who served almost four years in prison on an attempted armed robbery charge, according to court records.

The Volvo was in self-driving mode with Rafaela Vasquez, 44, at the wheel when the car hit 49-year-old Elaine Herzberg as she was walking a bicycle outside the lines of a crosswalk, police said. Herzberg later died at a hospital.


https://preview.tinyurl.com/y9sbwefa

Fox News

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 20, 2018 05:48 PM (0ogQG)

70 I have yet to give up my cruise control broomstick.

Posted by: BluesFish at March 20, 2018 05:49 PM (Ghppf)

71
I think by the time self driving cars are actually

ready that virtual commuting and other such garbage will have dried up a

lot of the market for people who would actually afford such a thing.



Posted by: Alskari at March 20, 2018 05:42 PM (tdVTp)

No risk of customers getting DUIs, thus increasing sales? We're good with it.


Posted by: Bar Owners Everywhere at March 20, 2018 05:44 PM (yzxic)


You mean we can't extract massive fines and legal fees out of people who aren't illegals? Ban it!

Posted by: DAs Everywhere at March 20, 2018 05:49 PM (AK1lh)

72 That car probably shouldn't have killed that person, but I'm not one to judge.

Heh. It might be Skynet's culture.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, Twice as Smug as You at March 20, 2018 05:49 PM (QQ+il)

73 And yeah my mom (or I) would really benefit from a car that drove its self. Especially the elderly and infirm. She's still able to drive at over 80 but she's fast approaching the point she shouldn't. And then what?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 05:49 PM (39g3+)

74 Y5 has been using smiley faces and emojis and he
used to go on screeds against those. I think he even used a sarcasm tag
which used to be verboten for him.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at March 20, 2018 05:46 PM (LZJOv)

Y5 is transitioning, so that may account for xer odd behavior.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 20, 2018 05:49 PM (wYseH)

75 Feel bad for the lady.

The "Safety Driver" was texting no doubt.

Posted by: eleven at March 20, 2018 05:49 PM (+lOpA)

76 Pedestrians walking and Bicyclists bicycling at night?

Do you know how many you drive by and never see?

Most of which are dressed in dark colors and never even think of carrying a light?

Posted by: rd at March 20, 2018 05:49 PM (4dz1m)

77 Oh, come on! You might see a couple of sensational "woman killed because she stepped in front of a car, while not in the crosswalk, and pushing a bike that didn't make her look like a person" type of stories, for years to come, but AI is definitely going to underperform compared to the human hits done in a given environment by a vast margin! How many other people got run over and killed on that day? I admit, the AI had fewer opportunities, and they are still learning, so maybe they can get their numbers up if they really work at it, but all-in-all yer people are your best bet for running over other folks.

Posted by: goon at March 20, 2018 05:49 PM (EaQ6/)

78 No, vision-impaired and elderly are much better served by taxis and other existing solutions, unless the cost and risk of automated cars are greatly reduced. But basic logic, critical thinking, and cost-benefit analysis are forgotten (and forbidden, it seems) dark arts.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 20, 2018 05:49 PM (QDnY+)

79 For what it is worth I heard that a human was bhind the wheel although the car was in automatic mode and he or she said they did not see the women jump out onto the street and would not have been able to stop either? It was not a cross walk but between 2 cars?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 20, 2018 05:49 PM (SjImc)

80 I want to take a moment to thank the Jews for another beautiful day. Love you guys! &128150;

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at March 20, 2018 05:49 PM (LZJOv)

81 This reboot of Death Race 2000 sucks.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at March 20, 2018 05:49 PM (ppaKI)

82 #10: "Driverless corvette. You'll never see."

Easy fix - just kill the driver.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at March 20, 2018 05:50 PM (rznWS)

83 >>>I still bet on the driverless car to out parallel-park a woman.

i'll take that bet

Posted by: concrete girl at March 20, 2018 05:50 PM (N0sw0)

84 You mean we can't extract massive fines and legal fees out of people who aren't illegals? Ban it!
Posted by: DAs Everywhere at March 20, 2018 05:49 PM (AK1lh)

This also seems pretty plausible to me.

Posted by: Alskari at March 20, 2018 05:50 PM (tdVTp)

85 A "Black Mirror" episode had a driverless pizza delivery van putting a pedestrian in the emergency room with a broken arm.

Then the plot goes into a scheme whereby an insurance claims adjuster wields a device that when connected to your brain runs your memories much like a security camera video, replaying exactly what your eyes saw and your ears heard.

The only step big brother needs to take for that to be in play is a mandate that all citizens wear body cameras.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at March 20, 2018 05:50 PM (5OEn4)

86 when someone crosses the street they look for eye contact with the driver

That is one of the biggest tools a pedestrian uses. And there are a lot of little gestures and subtle tips that you're good to go. A computer is going to have a hard time with that unless they install some kind of indicator.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 05:50 PM (39g3+)

87 Ha. The herds of bicyclists are so f*cked.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I'm No Longer Selling ARs Until My $300 Ones Will Go For $1000 at March 20, 2018 05:50 PM (ks6bw)

88 Dammit html. That was supposed to be a heart.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at March 20, 2018 05:50 PM (LZJOv)

89 And it's not like it's a high bar to reach - the computer needs to be at least as smart as that obliviot in the minivan going 60 on the highway while texting with one hand and eating with the other.

I see a dozen of those on my daily commute.

Posted by: weew at March 20, 2018 05:50 PM (Dol4k)

90 Progs Day 1. Cars are evil and need to be banned

Progs Da 2 Tesla and Uber are soooo dreamy

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 20, 2018 05:50 PM (6lyGf)

91 off jerk sock

Posted by: DR.WTF - Loyal Order of Turtles at March 20, 2018 05:50 PM (T71PA)

92 The safest thing would be to have a flagman run in front of the vehicle to warn people and horses of it's approach.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, Twice as Smug as You at March 20, 2018 05:50 PM (QQ+il)

93 Still, I would bet that even prototype driverless cars have 90%+ fewer accidents than people drivers.

The story I heard is the person illegally walked in front of the car. And it also had an on board human driver.

I'm just afraid driverless cars become mandatory.



Posted by: Maritime at March 20, 2018 05:51 PM (lKmt3)

94 willowed:

Not very often the government is directly involved in something like that but yeah... that was blatantly corrupt and insider trading. Tough to prove but obvious.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 05:40 PM (39g3+)
********************************************


Barack Obama's "smash and grab" strategy allowed friends to buy up various companies for pennies on the dollar following market devaluations resulting from the Obama administration's regulatory policies. Some of the ill-gotten funds later found their way into the Obama Foundation.

Breitbart
_ https://preview.tinyurl.com/yaqm7oux

Posted by: gNewt at March 20, 2018 05:51 PM (AEEhl)

95 Elon Muskavite

Posted by: Sad Trombone For at March 20, 2018 05:51 PM (r9UYA)

96 #13: "Stop the car, Hal."

Fuck you, Dave!

Posted by: That old Al Pacino as HAL video at March 20, 2018 05:51 PM (rznWS)

97 Posted by: Moron Robbie - I'm No Longer Selling ARs Until My $300 Ones Will Go For $1000 at March 20, 2018 05:47 PM (ks6bw)

But Ace O Spades will be blocked on all moving vehicles so you can only watch approved "commercial" sites and avoid road rage!

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at March 20, 2018 05:51 PM (n9EOP)

98
they should have those porn dolls drive them, apparently those are life-like.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 20, 2018 05:51 PM (r+sAi)

99 I still bet on the driverless car to out parallel-park a woman.

You know how I parallel park?

I find another parking spot.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 05:51 PM (39g3+)

100 62 The only way driverless cars really work is if we remove human-driven vehicles and pedestrians from the road.

..

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 20, 2018 05:46 PM (F5+ro)
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I have a nephew who's working on autonomous cars. He kids that Engineers have the driverless thing completely solved: they just have to remove the human element.

Posted by: WisRich at March 20, 2018 05:51 PM (G0vdT)

101 most cars today are driverless. texting, talking on the phone, general stupid fuckery, you're on your own whether you know it or not. nobody pays attention to shit but themselves.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 20, 2018 05:51 PM (KP5rU)

102 Yeah, the whole eye contact thing between a pedestrian waiting to cross a road and driver is lost. Though most young people walking are glued to their phones and never look up anyway.

Posted by: IC at March 20, 2018 05:51 PM (a0IVu)

103 Great for taking them out, judging by this example.
Posted by: m at March 20, 2018 05:48 PM (U6XUk)

15 pedestrian deaths per day vs 1 per... ummm 3 (or is it 4) years?

Sure, people are much better drivers. They "sense" things, and never get distracted.

Posted by: Ann at March 20, 2018 05:51 PM (jtHQy)

104 Do the Amish get Driverless Buggies?

Posted by: garrett at March 20, 2018 05:52 PM (bgkfE)

105 68 Tubes.

We need to start moving people through tubes.
Posted by: garrett at March 20, 2018 05:48 PM (bgkfE)

Call Us Today!

Posted by: Elon Musk Tunnel Company at March 20, 2018 05:52 PM (4dz1m)

106
45 The only way driverless cars really work is if we remove human-driven vehicles and pedestrians from the road.

and vegetation, and construction, and and snow.

They would probably really shine in the distopian future the Left has been planning for us though. I'm thinking logan's run, but with uber.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 20, 2018 05:52 PM (LWu6U)

107 I have a nephew who's working on autonomous cars. He kids that Engineers have the driverless thing completely solved: they just have to remove the human element.

Posted by: WisRich at March 20, 2018 05:51 PM (G0vdT)

Well they removed one human today

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 20, 2018 05:52 PM (SjImc)

108 How many other people got run over and killed on that day?

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It would be interesting to know a ratio. How many millions of people were on the road that day? How many automated cars?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I'm No Longer Selling ARs Until My $300 Ones Will Go For $1000 at March 20, 2018 05:52 PM (ks6bw)

109 I trust no one but me to drive me. And there are days I don't even trust me.
No newFangled horseless carriages for me, thankyouverymuch.

Posted by: RI Red - proud member, CRNSA at March 20, 2018 05:52 PM (DzUVR)

110 Driving doesn't get much simpler than Tempe. North, south, east, west, straight as an arrow as far as you can see. Made for driverless driving.

Posted by: jd at March 20, 2018 05:52 PM (JX1fv)

111 Speaking of "Age of Empires" there's a re-mastered version for like 20 bucks and I think they are working on a new onw.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at March 20, 2018 05:52 PM (1ISKN)

112 This story inevitably puts one in mind of that classic tale of roadway malevolence, The Car.

Posted by: Sharkman at March 20, 2018 05:52 PM (dDMQ9)

113 65 >>>17 I wish they'd hurry up and get these driverless cars out there. They will be great for the elderly and visually impaired
Posted by: Ann at March 20, 2018 05:42 PM (jtHQy)

Great for taking them out, judging by this example."

And Yes Folks, Big News for today's driverless Cross Country Race! If Granny's got a walker, she'll be worth a whopping 75 points this year! Get your bets in soon!

Posted by: Death Race 2112 at March 20, 2018 05:52 PM (k1TUh)

114 So yesterday morning I had my car parked on my residential street instead of the driveway. My little dog is so in love with car rides, she can go back and forth for rides without being leashed. We headed out and she ran across the lawn to the car at the same time a car came down the street. The driver saw her head across the lawn and disappear on the passenger side of the car, and stopped. I don't know if a computer would do that. She won't go in the street, but he was smart.

Posted by: dagny at March 20, 2018 05:53 PM (CAKgV)

115 So does Google uber or whoever assume the liability in the case of an accident?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 20, 2018 05:53 PM (g6uuB)

116 100. Just the punchline: 'It's exactly tue same, but there is no dog involved.'

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at March 20, 2018 05:53 PM (fA1SL)

117 Has anyone blamed Jew bankers yet?

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 20, 2018 05:53 PM (0ogQG)

118 89 And it's not like it's a high bar to reach - the computer needs to be at least as smart as that obliviot in the minivan going 60 on the highway while texting with one hand and eating with the other.

I see a dozen of those on my daily commute.
Posted by: weew at March 20, 2018 05:50 PM (Dol4k)

That's actually the opposite of what everyone expects, reasonable or not. We want it to be smarter than EVERY person on the highway. Or else we'll sue the fuck out of the company that programmed it.

Posted by: Alskari at March 20, 2018 05:53 PM (tdVTp)

119 How do Southerners wave a robot car through at a four way stop?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I'm No Longer Selling ARs Until My $300 Ones Will Go For $1000 at March 20, 2018 05:54 PM (ks6bw)

120 102 Yeah, the whole eye contact thing between a pedestrian waiting to cross a road and driver is lost.

==

they should program the car to flash one light, like a wink, if it sees the pedestrian

Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 20, 2018 05:54 PM (hMwEB)

121 @31: "Unfortunately, when the driverless car systems get good enough, our
insurance companies are going to start charging a premium to drive
without using them."

Well, that's some naive thinking - that it will ever get to that point.

Posted by: Government Mandates at March 20, 2018 05:54 PM (rznWS)

122 U'Ber. We. Are. The. Creator.

Posted by: Captain James T Kirk at March 20, 2018 05:54 PM (DpOmP)

123 Moar Pedestrian Bridges!

Posted by: Grump928(C) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, Twice as Smug as You at March 20, 2018 05:54 PM (QQ+il)

124 107
I have a nephew who's working on autonomous cars. He kids that Engineers have the driverless thing completely solved: they just have to remove the human element.



Posted by: WisRich at March 20, 2018 05:51 PM (G0vdT)



Well they removed one human today

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 20, 2018 05:52 PM (SjImc)


You remove the human element, and you're kind of out of a job.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at March 20, 2018 05:54 PM (Dp6qK)

125 Has anyone blamed Jew bankers yet?
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 20, 2018 05:53 PM

They're too busy controlling the weather. Speaking of, it's snowing here so I have a bone to pick with them.

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 20, 2018 05:54 PM (7qnb5)

126 78 No, vision-impaired and elderly are much better served by taxis and other existing solutions, unless the cost and risk of automated cars are greatly reduced. But basic logic, critical thinking, and cost-benefit analysis are forgotten (and forbidden, it seems) dark arts.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 20, 2018 05:49 PM (QDnY+)

If I (generic I) can afford it, why should I have the same freedom to move about as a sighted person or a 30-year-old?

Posted by: Ann at March 20, 2018 05:54 PM (jtHQy)

127 Beating that horse:

This pattern is repeated over and over and over again, not just with Marty Nesbitt, but with people like the environmentalist investor Tom Steyer [and] George Soros, Schweizer said.

Barack Obama smashes coal companies, [and] what do these guys do? They go in, they buy them for pennies on the dollar, and when the regulatory weight is lifted, their valuations increase, and they make a lot of money, and you see that pattern in all of these industries.

Breitbart
_ https://preview.tinyurl.com/yaqm7oux

Posted by: gNewt at March 20, 2018 05:54 PM (AEEhl)

128 I think if driverless cars get common, it would be funny to print up bumper stickers that say KILL ALL HUMANS and sneak them on at night when no one's looking.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 20, 2018 05:54 PM (k1TUh)

129 Speaking of "Age of Empires" there's a re-mastered version for like 20 bucks and I think they are working on a new onw.

They hit a sweet spot with II and it wasn't good after that. Like Heroes of Might and Magic III: perfect. IV: not great. V: staahhpp!!!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 05:54 PM (39g3+)

130 Jesse Waters on The Five just made the point that a driverless car wouldn't know like someone from that neighborhood would know that there's always kids playing ball in the street right around that next corner.

But not everyone driving through your neighborhood is a local who would know that either.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 20, 2018 05:54 PM (Dn4Uq)

131 I wish they'd hurry up and get these driverless cars out there. They will be great for the elderly and visually impaired, allowing people to live basically anywhere (and not have to rely on relative, taxis, etc).
Posted by: Ann at March 20, 2018 05:42 PM (jtHQy)

I doubt it will make much difference. If you can't drive, you are usually impaired in such a way that you shouldn't be out on your own anyways. There might be a small window where it works but not in most cases.

Posted by: WOPR (With Full Auto Nuclear Ability) at March 20, 2018 05:54 PM (+dPBV)

132 I'm going to guess this car had a dash cam so it will be interesting what the investigation findings are.

Posted by: WisRich at March 20, 2018 05:55 PM (G0vdT)

133 Every summer I almost take out a pedestrian. Because in the winter no uses sidewalks, then in the summer they begin to, and I'll be pulling out of a parking lot of a store and someone will be crossing a sidewalk that is there, that I forgot was there....because winter. Then I thank God I didn't hit someone. And freak out and tell myself to remember this next year.

Then next year...

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at March 20, 2018 05:55 PM (LZJOv)

134 These horseless carriages have been a problem since the Muslims first invented them.

Posted by: goon at March 20, 2018 05:55 PM (EaQ6/)

135
I still bet on the driverless car to out parallel-park a woman.

You know how I parallel park?

I find another parking spot.

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I look for a spot where I can pull through. I no longer try to back up. Too many idiots driving and walking obliviously in parking lots.

Pull out driving forward is sooo much easier.

Posted by: rd at March 20, 2018 05:55 PM (4dz1m)

136
So does Google uber or whoever assume the liability in the case of an accident?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 20, 2018 05:53 PM (g6uuB)


I guess this is were we'll find out

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 20, 2018 05:55 PM (lKyWE)

137 How many miles are driven each day in regular cars compared to driverless cars?

I would bet that Americans drive 1,000,000,000 miles/day.

And what % is driverless?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 20, 2018 05:55 PM (wYseH)

138 RoboUber isn't going to help that old lady load her groceries in the car either.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 20, 2018 05:55 PM (Dn4Uq)

139 CBD my first take (based on 23 seconds' consideration) is that insurance (real insurance, just actuarial data plus common sense) would not favor automated cars, not at first, maybe never (outside a situation where normal cars aren't allowed or don't exist) .



Posted by: rhomboid at March 20, 2018 05:56 PM (QDnY+)

140 We have deep-coded reflexes that help us avoid collisions and take alert when something's moving towards us.




Written by someone who has never been on the road with Colorado drivers. Meaning people driving in Colorado with Colorado license plates.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 20, 2018 05:56 PM (MTjB1)

141 I suspect "Driverless Cars" will be the "Flying Cars" of the 21st century: something that gets talked about endlessly, but ultimately does not happen.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2018 05:56 PM (ujg0T)

142 I think the technology was there. I just think it was a glitch.

Living in NYC , I've seen a lot of pedestrians get whacked and heard / read about many more.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 20, 2018 05:56 PM (4lzWT)

143 "Anyone who's ever played Age of Empires kind of doubts computers' abilities as far as simple navigation."

At first I chuckled...then I realized, Ace, you probably just moved yourself up the priority kill list during the robot rebellion.

Posted by: Doug at March 20, 2018 05:56 PM (Xs2Lr)

144 Uber: Get your side hustle on. Or else.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at March 20, 2018 05:56 PM (Dp6qK)

145 i love the story arc from Season 1 of Silicon Valley when Jared gets a ride home in a driverless car and winds up on warehouse ocean rig run by machines 5000 miles away. Then he returns with no sleep and Addreall in time for Tech Crunch.

Shit makes me laugh.

Posted by: Monk at March 20, 2018 05:56 PM (/LX46)

146 Speaking of, it's snowing here so I have a bone to pick with them.
Posted by: Minnfidel at March 20, 2018 05:54 PM (7qnb5)

The Line forms outside of Lion's Gate

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 20, 2018 05:57 PM (SjImc)

147 >>Living in NYC , I've seen a lot of pedestrians get whacked and heard / read about many more.


Well, yeah. But the difference in NYC is that the drivers were trying to hit them.

Posted by: garrett at March 20, 2018 05:57 PM (bgkfE)

148
Si! Se puede!

Posted by: illegal taxi drivers at March 20, 2018 05:57 PM (ROV4u)

149 I suspect "Driverless Cars" will be the "Flying Cars" of the 21st century: something that gets talked about endlessly, but ultimately does not happen.

I think we'll see it but I wonder if it won't involve dedicated lanes and special transportation rather than general use. Like trucks moved from depot to depot, and taxis.

Definitely don't jaywalk though. I've been hit by a car. There's no give in those things.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 05:58 PM (39g3+)

150 @51: "Just a bump in the road."

*triggered*

Posted by: Zombie Tamerlan Tsarnaev at March 20, 2018 05:58 PM (rznWS)

151
Running down pedestrians? Feature, not a bug!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at March 20, 2018 05:58 PM (vzMuS)

152 calculate the drivers killed per 1000 miles with driverless cars to date and compare... would bet its much higher than people driven cars ....

Posted by: E.T. at March 20, 2018 05:58 PM (nzKWW)

153 The problems with autonomous vehicles are many. One. A computer driven vehicle can not anticipate what another car might do. All of us have a sense if a driver is about to change lanes or do something dumb. A human can prepare for that while a computer can only react once said dumb thing happens. They cannot also anticipate things like black ice etc. Not to mention the many times GPS computers etc. will glitch. If it's a snowstorm and the sensors get blocked what then? Humanity is apparently looking for ways to kill themselves but put themselves out of work. Until people reject this shit, it's the path we're on.

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 20, 2018 05:58 PM (7qnb5)

154 I can see driverless trucks in limited use to carry stuff among manufacturers and warehouses and fulfillment centers. Ditto Amtrak, where a computer won't think "Well, it says 30 mph here but the track looks clear up ahead..."

but anyone familiar AT ALL with places where people live and shop and work knows all too well about the kids who dash into the street after a ball, and the idiots on bicycle who swerve in and out of lanes and sidewalks and side streets and run red lights, and jerks who open car doors without looking to see if anyone is coming, and the dicks who think that the "no right turn on ted" signs only apply when there are no cops around...

nah. A driverless option might be okay if you're on a highway and you feel like taking your hands off the wheel for a while, but in the real world...

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at March 20, 2018 05:58 PM (KxbBq)

155 Driverless cars will lead to sex, drugs and Netflix on the open roads.

Posted by: Monk at March 20, 2018 05:58 PM (/LX46)

156 So does Google uber or whoever assume the liability in the case of an accident?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles

___________

It's probably the same if say a company delivery truck was in an accident. You can usually sue the company that owns the truck. Comedian Tracy Morgan got in a bad accident with a WalMart truck and got like an figure dollar settlement, supposedly.

If some lawyer can prove though that Uber knew the technology was not ready and dangerous, but pushed it out anyway, that when you could see some crazy $100 million dollar punitive payouts.

My guess is Uber will just pay a million or two in a settlement rather than risk it.

Posted by: Maritime at March 20, 2018 05:58 PM (lKmt3)

157 Hmmmmmm, use to be Ace, now its Ace of Spades, has the website reached self identity replacing Ace?

Posted by: Skip at March 20, 2018 05:58 PM (aC6Sd)

158 Today GM announced it will start manufacuring driverless cars, starting in 2019.

From the announcement it appears they will only be sold to fleets like rental cars, Uber, etc and not for retail sales. That is coming later.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 20, 2018 05:59 PM (6lyGf)

159 Well pedestrians in NYC tend to be very aggressive. Most of the pedestrian accidents are in the outer boroughs.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 20, 2018 05:59 PM (MTjB1)

160 not drivers killed but fatal accidents .... ugh

Posted by: E.T. at March 20, 2018 05:59 PM (nzKWW)

161 Hal, what have you done with our Ace?

Posted by: Skip at March 20, 2018 05:59 PM (aC6Sd)

162 Posted by: garrett at March 20, 2018 05:57 PM (bgkfE)

One beep warning is all they get.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 20, 2018 05:59 PM (4lzWT)

163 Driverless cars may be safer than anyone who is on a cellphone. Seen so many sit at stop signs waiting for it to change...or going right through red lights. Not to mention road weaving and a number of other things.

People cannot multi-task. They think they can, they can't. Not in this manner.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at March 20, 2018 05:59 PM (LZJOv)

164 Wonder if there would be less sympathy if the Uber car had kit a cyclist?

Just asking. You know, for academic reasons.

Posted by: Pug Mahon in the Upside Down at March 20, 2018 05:59 PM (xPJvm)

165 The problem for me with games like Age of Empires and Heroes of Might And Magic is that the designers don't quite seem to get what made them charming and enjoyable. Hint: it isn't bitchen, 3d, personal graphics.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 05:59 PM (39g3+)

166 Lock 'n load bitches!

Posted by: Sarah Conner at March 20, 2018 06:00 PM (fdTrp)

167 how many people did illegal aliens kill with cars today?

Posted by: x at March 20, 2018 06:00 PM (nFwvY)

168 Wonder if there would be less sympathy if the Uber car had kit a cyclist?

Just asking. You know, for academic reasons.
Posted by: Pug Mahon in the Upside Down

________

Why are cyclists such pricks?

Posted by: Maritime at March 20, 2018 06:00 PM (lKmt3)

169 I'm continually amazed at the people who walk behind backing up cars. Worse with children, worse with strollers. My b-i-l got his legs crushed doing that. The driver can't always see you, but everyone under the sun thinks they have the right of way and seem oblivious to that danger. Idiots.

Posted by: dagny at March 20, 2018 06:00 PM (CAKgV)

170 131 I wish they'd hurry up and get these driverless cars out there. They will be great for the elderly and visually impaired, allowing people to live basically anywhere (and not have to rely on relative, taxis, etc).
Posted by: Ann at March 20, 2018 05:42 PM (jtHQy)

I doubt it will make much difference. If you can't drive, you are usually impaired in such a way that you shouldn't be out on your own anyways. There might be a small window where it works but not in most cases.
Posted by: WOPR (With Full Auto Nuclear Ability) at March 20, 2018 05:54 PM (+dPBV)

My Mother is healthy and mobile. She has Alzheimers, and almost no short term memory. As in asking the same question five times in ten minutes. Not knowing the day or date, or even the month.

But she can do routine things every day. As long as it is routine, she can do it. We can still teach her new routines, they just take many, many repetitions.

A self driving car would be helpful.

Posted by: rd at March 20, 2018 06:00 PM (4dz1m)

171 153 The problems with autonomous vehicles are many. One. A computer driven vehicle can not anticipate what another car might do. All of us have a sense if a driver is about to change lanes or do something dumb. A human can prepare for that while a computer can only react once said dumb thing happens. They cannot also anticipate things like black ice etc. Not to mention the many times GPS computers etc. will glitch. If it's a snowstorm and the sensors get blocked what then? Humanity is apparently looking for ways to kill themselves but put themselves out of work. Until people reject this shit, it's the path we're on.
Posted by: Minnfidel at March 20, 2018 05:58 PM (7qnb5)



Like I stated earlier, I remember all the amazing predictions of flying cars coming just around the corner of history. What you describe comes across as Flying Cars Revisited.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2018 06:00 PM (ujg0T)

172 Thousands of pedestrians are killed every year by human drivers. I think we need to measure the relative risk; these cars don't have drivers that phone, text, eat, drink, put on makeup, read the paper or change the radio station while driving.

Posted by: smilin jack at March 20, 2018 06:01 PM (otSEE)

173 Kings Quest was a fun game.

Posted by: Monk at March 20, 2018 06:01 PM (/LX46)

174
I can see driverless trucks in limited use to carry stuff among manufacturers and warehouses and fulfillment centers. Ditto Amtrak, where a computer won't think "Well, it says 30 mph here but the track looks clear up ahead..."

Truck driving is one of the largest employers of non college educated people so lets go ahead and take those jobs away

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 20, 2018 06:01 PM (lKyWE)

175 Wonder what the name for "had sex while in the back seat of a driverless car going down the road" will be. It doesn't have to make sense, they call sex in a risky public area "dogging." The "mile high club" is usually several miles up.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 06:01 PM (39g3+)

176 Get Outta My Dreams

Posted by: Self Driving Billy Ocean at March 20, 2018 06:01 PM (bgkfE)

177 Yeah, but this car didn't even slow down. 40 mph when the pedestrian was hit. The car didn't even "see" the person.

That's a big problem.

Posted by: WisRich


Our technology correctly identified the carbon-based life-form as a Trump voter and took appropriate action.

The system performed optimally.

Any questions, Meat?

Posted by: Your Tech Masters DemonRat Over Lords at March 20, 2018 06:02 PM (Kge8X)

178 these cars don't have drivers that phone, text, eat, drink, put on makeup, read the paper or change the radio station while driving.
Posted by: smilin jack at March 20, 2018 06:01 PM (otSEE)

Do they scratch their balls while driving?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 20, 2018 06:02 PM (SjImc)

179


From the announcement it appears they will only be sold to fleets
like rental cars, Uber, etc and not for retail sales. That is coming
later.


So now Uber dicks over the drivers they built the company on.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 20, 2018 06:02 PM (oVJmc)

180 Yeah, I want to travel 5 states south, Uber ( sets coordinate) wake me up when we get there ( sets alarm)

Posted by: Skip at March 20, 2018 06:02 PM (aC6Sd)

181 Ann, if no conveyance with acceptable operational risks and deficiencies is available, then you have to rely on taxis etc. Not saying I know how to evaluate that properly, not predicting if/when it might happen - just setting the proper parameters.


"Seeming" cool or "empowering" or neat or something are completely irrelevant.


I said my impression is that this whole technology will only ever have niche applications. One of them might end up being the one you mention. But the cost (assuming no idiotic subsidies, probably a forlorn hope in this economically illiterate, faux techno-crazy society) has to include the actual insurance cost of covering the risk posed by such vehicles.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 20, 2018 06:02 PM (QDnY+)

182 Why are cyclists such pricks?

Posted by: Maritime at March 20, 2018 06:00 PM (lKmt3)


Wait until the robot cyclists hit the streets.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at March 20, 2018 06:02 PM (Dp6qK)

183 168 Wonder if there would be less sympathy if the Uber car had kit a cyclist?

Just asking. You know, for academic reasons.
Posted by: Pug Mahon in the Upside Down

________

Why are cyclists such pricks?
Posted by: Maritime at March 20, 2018 06:00 PM (lKmt3)
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You're in luck. She WAS a cyclist. She was just walking her bike..between two cars...not using the crosswalk.

Posted by: WisRich at March 20, 2018 06:02 PM (G0vdT)

184 My car is semi driverless. It can park itself, it can stop on its own if someone cuts me off, it can accelerate on its own using adaptive cruise, and if I veet out of my lane it pushes itself back into the lane. Plus all the voice recognition commands available.

So from that to full auto driving seems very doable on a mass scale and acceptance by the public.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 20, 2018 06:02 PM (6lyGf)

185 CBD my first take (based on 23 seconds' consideration) is that insurance (real insurance, just actuarial data plus common sense) would not favor automated cars, not at first, maybe never (outside a situation where normal cars aren't allowed or don't exist) .

Posted by: rhomboid
*******************

That's how they *improve* ridership on intercity trains. First they eliminate a lane for traffic then they cancel the bus route. Viola, increased ridership.

Posted by: gNewt at March 20, 2018 06:02 PM (AEEhl)

186 Seriously, driverless cars are a terrible thing. Who would want to have a car without a steering wheel.

Would never buy car without some huge, ugly double throw switch in the middle of the dashboard to engage/ disengage the driverless feature.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 20, 2018 06:02 PM (MTjB1)

187 talk to me when they have perfected the driverless train... they havent even done that.

Posted by: E.T. at March 20, 2018 06:03 PM (nzKWW)

188 Things have moved on a little, like 1mil. percent, since Age of Empires or Half-Life. Next week it will be 2mil. percent, etc. on and on and on. We can not comprehend how quickly machine learning can enhance itself. We're fucked, again! Maybe that's a good thing. Maybe we can be pets. Don't be bitter. Remember that those who build this stuff get to decided upon the biases imbedded in the software. Just make sure that your biases are represented fairly. Don't leave it to the snowflakes to decide about fairness. Beware the next rounds of legislation.

Posted by: goon at March 20, 2018 06:03 PM (EaQ6/)

189 Please state the street and number.

Posted by: Johnny Cab at March 20, 2018 06:03 PM (QQ+il)

190 It's really moving the goal posts though to demand driverless cars have zero accidents. Never going to happen.

But it will be very lucrative for trial attorneys to demand that when suing companies with deep pockets.

If someone jumps out in front of a car, the laws of physics aren't suspended because a computer is making decisions.

Posted by: Maritime at March 20, 2018 06:03 PM (lKmt3)

191 I'm always surprised by the number of people who Jay walk in front of me without a single glance in my direction.
I always wait until I make eye contact with the driver.

Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at March 20, 2018 06:03 PM (eAMlh)

192 175 Wonder what the name for "had sex while in the back seat of a driverless car going down the road" will be. It doesn't have to make sense, they call sex in a risky public area "dogging." The "mile high club" is usually several miles up.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 06:01 PM (39g3+)

Is there a "mile low club" for miners & spelunkers?

Posted by: josephistan at March 20, 2018 06:03 PM (ANIFC)

193 "This is the voice of Colossus, this is the voice of World Control.

Fly me."

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 20, 2018 06:03 PM (oVJmc)

194 I had to quit driving several years ago because of a progressive chronic incurable neurological disease. I would give my left testicle to have the freedom of a driverless car.

Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at March 20, 2018 06:04 PM (0OmEj)

195 I don't care if they work or not, I don't want a driverless car. I like driving.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 20, 2018 06:04 PM (/tuJf)

196 141 I suspect "Driverless Cars" will be the "Flying Cars" of the 21st century: something that gets talked about endlessly, but ultimately does not happen.

Posted by: Curmudgeon


I disagree. The market for flying cars was/is always going to be somewhat small, to a select wealthy market. But too much commerce moves via vehicles, especially trucks -- A huge market.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 20, 2018 06:04 PM (0ogQG)

197 Why are cyclists such pricks?
Posted by: Maritime at March 20, 2018 06:00 PM (lKmt3)




It is that sancitmonious eco-fiend ideology many have. Out here, the have a group called "Critical Mass", or better called Critical Massholes.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2018 06:04 PM (ujg0T)

198 >>can the driving computer judge distance when it 'sees' someone crossing the street?


Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken

Nailed her, didn't I?

Posted by: Uber Car at March 20, 2018 06:04 PM (2cuLk)

199 Because self driving cars will be the only thing that is unhackable. Terrible idea.

Posted by: Monk at March 20, 2018 06:04 PM (/LX46)

200 Who would want to have a car without a steering wheel.

If I were crude and rude, I'd make some comment about getting a hummer in the car...but I am not crude?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 20, 2018 06:04 PM (SjImc)

201 >>Why are cyclists such pricks?


In my defense, I was a prick long before I started cycling.

Posted by: garrett at March 20, 2018 06:05 PM (bgkfE)

202 I'm continually amazed at the people who walk behind backing up cars. Worse with children, worse with strollers. My b-i-l got his legs crushed doing that. The driver can't always see you, but everyone under the sun thinks they have the right of way and seem oblivious to that danger. Idiots.
Posted by: dagny at March 20, 2018 06:00 PM (CAKgV)

I see this is the grocery store, and it is because of how the lot is set up...blind spots. I can look both ways, but a person can show up in the moment it takes me to turn my head. I don't get it either. It is another example of stupid.

Almost took someone out once. Scared the hell outta me. And I'm super careful. I know I'm not sounding like it, lol, but I am.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at March 20, 2018 06:05 PM (LZJOv)

203 So, autonomous sexbots are still out a ways?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: @JRandomMoron at March 20, 2018 06:05 PM (ctuyM)

204 I would give my left testicle to have the freedom of a driverless car.

How many miles on it?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 20, 2018 06:05 PM (oVJmc)

205 Flying vehicles delivering packages. Yeah when pig fly!

Posted by: 1980 dude at March 20, 2018 06:05 PM (4lzWT)

206 Oops... grammar bot and typo bot attacking my posts.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at March 20, 2018 06:05 PM (LZJOv)

207 A computer driven vehicle can not anticipate what another car might do. All of us have a sense if a driver is about to change lanes or do something dumb. A human can prepare for that while a computer can only react once said dumb thing happens. They cannot also anticipate things like black ice etc.

Well, you're right, but... humans can and a computer can be taught to learn the way humans do it. What I mean is, a computer won't ever do it on its own, but it can be programmed to do things like anticipate black ice and areas its likely to be (over bridges in dips, where its shaded in the daytime, etc), see and recognize behavior of drivers who are likely to change lanes, notice and respond to patterns of driving behavior (that guy is arguing with his girlfriend and enraged, stay back). So all the stuff we learned, we can stick in a computer's brain to look for and respond to.

Its the subtle, intitution things that a computer cannot know or do. The little judgments we make based on intangibles and a thousand little clues like where the sun is in the sky and how bad the news has been that day, what direction we're traveling, and what that guy's car is.

And then... frankly some people drive better than others. Who wants to be the guy that programs a computer to be wary around old Asian drivers or hot hatchbacks with booming stereos driven by black youths? Or that pickup with the confederate flags, smokestack pipes, silhouetted girl mudflaps, truck nuts, and lifted suspension? What company wants to ever admit they programmed that into a computer?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 06:06 PM (39g3+)

208 >> So, autonomous sexbots are still out a ways?


If the sexbot was truly autonomous odds are pretty good it wouldn't choose me.

Posted by: garrett at March 20, 2018 06:06 PM (bgkfE)

209 One beep warning is all they get.

...

Posted by: Captain C. Pike at March 20, 2018 06:06 PM (yec0S)

210 Anyone who's ever played Age of Empires kind of doubts computers' abilities as far as simple navigation.

Not trying to be funny -- it's just one of those thing where a computer shows how truly dumb it is. In Age of Empires, you'd see one of your little workers get hopelessly stuck in some trees, not seeing the obvious pathway around them, and you'd have to click them out of it with very short waypoints, basically saying "This way, stupid."


hehe, some games are so much better, lol, but so true!

I have to say, both my husband and I have some built in driverless abilities. We figure they are testing it out slowly on us before going full blown take over.

The abilities, like parallel park, and adjusting us back into our lanes, and announcing it will brake when we get too close, and all of that is quite nice, and works pretty smoothly.

When driving long distance, it really helped out. You felt 50% less stress, which we did not expect. Moves you back into your lane, either left or right. Warns of other close vehicles. We never let it brake for us, though, because we never were in that situation of risk.

BUT, you can't mix human pedestrians, or other non-computerized cars together. Won't work. Human control + non-human control mixed is death waiting to happen.

I always thought there would have to be dedicated routes/lanes only for these vehicles.

But, some of the self-drive features blow your mind. My husband of course had to test hands off the steering wheel on the highway for a while, including curves and it worked well.

The other issue is markings on the highways have to be strong (and there) for the car to recognize going over the line, etc.



Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 20, 2018 06:06 PM (fceHP)

211 157 Hmmmmmm, use to be Ace, now its Ace of Spades, has the website reached self identity replacing Ace?
Posted by: Skip at March 20, 2018 05:58 PM (aC6Sd)


The HQ has become a bloggerless blog.

Posted by: rickl at March 20, 2018 06:06 PM (sdi6R)

212 Id love to get into a car at 10pm, go to sleep and wake up 500 miles away from home in the morning. A red eye without the red eyes.

As long as I still have the option of self driving Im cool with driverless. But i realize at some point self driving will most likely be forbidden. Most people hate driving so it is inevitable.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 20, 2018 06:06 PM (6lyGf)

213 I am more than 29 years old and I love driving, but not the daily rage stroke I have while driving.
Good thing for me I never had a front mounted ma deuce...

Posted by: navybrat at March 20, 2018 06:06 PM (w7KSn)

214 >>>159 Well pedestrians in NYC tend to be very aggressive.

Midnight Cowboy came out almost 50 years ago.
Yet every douche in NYC still thinks yelling "I'm walking here!" is clever and a license to jaywalk.

Posted by: wooga at March 20, 2018 06:06 PM (PnpIB)

215 don't care if they work or not, I don't want a driverless car. I like driving.
Posted by: JackStraw

Y'all call it cruising down in the Keys, yes?

Posted by: Monk at March 20, 2018 06:07 PM (/LX46)

216 Its not just millenials who hate driving. There is a
gal in my office, very intelligent but with very progressive ideas and
loves the concept of self driving cars. And she is in her mid 40s


Posted by: IC at March 20, 2018 05:43 PM (a0IVu)

Self-driving cars>wymmin drivers>asian drivers?Asking for a friend

Posted by: Archer at March 20, 2018 06:07 PM (gbWkA)

217 Why are cyclists such pricks?
Posted by: Maritime at March 20, 2018 06:00 PM


Why ask why?

Posted by: Critical Mass at March 20, 2018 06:07 PM (ctuyM)

218 BOTS

Posted by: That deplorable guy who always says BOTS... at March 20, 2018 06:07 PM (Tyii7)

219 Much as I love technology, I don't want anything like a car being out of human control. They're too dangerous.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 20, 2018 06:07 PM (xJa6I)

220 You remove the human element, and you're kind of out of a job.


Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at March 20, 2018 05:54 PM (Dp6qK)



Working on that. #TwoWeeks

Posted by: SkyNet at March 20, 2018 06:07 PM (pAx+1)

221 Why are cyclists such pricks?

It seems to be a big city thing. The more cyclists in proximity, the worse they become. In smaller communities or rural areas, bicyclists aren't an arrogant idiotic menace. Nor are they protected as much by the local law.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 06:07 PM (39g3+)

222
202 I'm continually amazed at the people who walk behind backing up cars. Worse with children, worse with strollers. My b-i-l got his legs crushed doing that. The driver can't always see you, but everyone under the sun thinks they have the right of way and seem oblivious to that danger. Idiots.
Posted by: dagny at March 20, 2018 06:00 PM (CAKgV)

I see this is the grocery store, and it is because of how the lot is set up...blind spots. I can look both ways, but a person can show up in the moment it takes me to turn my head. I don't get it either. It is another example of stupid.

Almost took someone out once. Scared the hell outta me. And I'm super careful. I know I'm not sounding like it, lol, but I am.
Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at March 20, 2018 06:05 PM (LZJOv)

-----------

Find a spot where you can pull through and face out.

Pulling forward out of a parking spot is so much easier.
And SAFER.

Posted by: rd at March 20, 2018 06:07 PM (4dz1m)

223 Still waiting on my personal jetpack......

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 20, 2018 06:07 PM (EoRCO)

224

From the announcement it appears they will only be sold to fleets

like rental cars, Uber, etc and not for retail sales. That is coming

later.

So now Uber dicks over the drivers they built the company on.


Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 20, 2018 06:02 PM (oVJmc)



Like any good progressive company.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at March 20, 2018 06:08 PM (UsCnO)

225 will the car make a dangerous move to avoid a pedestrian/ child? ... I would hope so. would I like it to make that same move to avoid hitting a dog ... nope...

Posted by: E.T. at March 20, 2018 06:08 PM (nzKWW)

226 Car was a four door? High capacity car?

Posted by: PhilDirt at March 20, 2018 06:08 PM (2cZG7)

227 Who would want to have a car without a steering wheel.

If I were crude and rude, I'd make some comment about getting a hummer in the car...but I am not crude?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 20, 2018 06:04 PM (SjImc)




You are a fine fellow and all but you should know that whoever is refusing to give you a hummer in your car because of the steering wheel is simply making excuses.

No problem getting a hummer while you are driving a car.

Now we're you trying to give one while you were driving the i guess steering wheel could be a problem.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 20, 2018 06:08 PM (MTjB1)

228 Be-de-be-de-be-de....Where ya goin', Buck?

Posted by: TwikiCab at March 20, 2018 06:08 PM (oVJmc)

229

More excited about the flying cars though.

Porsche joins Daimler, Geely, Italdesign in race for flying cars

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 20, 2018 06:09 PM (fceHP)

230 I am already a nervous driver going through mountain passes while regular cars drive way too fast and whiz around me in all kinds of inclement weather. Can't wait to have a driver-less semi to contend with on narrow mountain roads.


Posted by: Cheri at March 20, 2018 06:09 PM (oiNtH)

231 Driverless cars may be safer than anyone who is on a cellphone. Seen so many sit at stop signs waiting for it to change...or going right through red lights. Not to mention road weaving and a number of other things.

People cannot multi-task. They think they can, they can't. Not in this manner.
Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at March 20, 2018 05:59 PM (LZJOv)

True, but you're taking one of the worst examples of "drivers". Studies show drivers distracted by electronic devices are less safe than those slightly above .08 dui territory.
Then you're comparing it to best case automation, wherein the road conditions are perfect, all the sensors on the vehicle work, etc.

I like the concept in limited form, and it may be good for some more than others.

If forced to choose between people or machines, in this case I'd take people.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 20, 2018 06:09 PM (z79tQ)

232 What are you complaining about? The Robo-hearse was there in four minutes!

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 20, 2018 06:09 PM (oVJmc)

233 Hitting someone while backing out of a parking space really does scare me. Especially when I'm black out drunk.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 20, 2018 06:10 PM (4ErVI)

234 Sure it's all fun and games until your car auto-brakes during the zombie Apocalypse and the zombies drag you from the vehicle and eat your brain!

Posted by: Archer at March 20, 2018 06:10 PM (gbWkA)

235 If the entire world was driverless and controlled by a hypothetical machine learning algorithm where perhaps every vehicle knew where every other vehicle (and perhaps pedestrian) was, I can actually see the charm. Imagine being able to hop in your car and sit in it with your family sort of like you are on the train, except you can go where you want, and obviously have *some* degree of overriding control.

Congestion traffic jams would be minimized because the algorithm would be able to sort the jam out in the most efficient manner. I read somewhere that a congestion jam can be eliminated just by a row of cars stopping for like 10 minutes - and letting the cars in front get far ahead enough so that all the cars behind do a "reset". It never happens for very obvious reasons.

I was lamenting the other day that since 2001 and certainly since the rise of The Great Half-White Hope, that somewhat methodically we have been programmed to lose all actual hope. It hurts nobody to imagine this stuff. I know I'll likely be thought an idiot for expressing it here but I just don't care.

I believe we have a technology boom coming in the next decade that most of us simply cannot fathom. In my opinion, one of the next great major advancements is machine learning (colloquially "AI")... where we program computers - which can "think" at blazing speeds - to conduct specific tasks we previously dreamed impossible.

How about a CSI "image enhancement" algorithm where systems have been trained on trillions of still images and video frames - objects, faces, environments - at varying levels of detail and then they "learn" how to "see" based on rules of (maybe) how pixels consistently respond to light and motion? And then can add information accurately to low detail images for us? Why not? I can be across the ocean in Ireland six hours from now, give or take. What the hell is wrong with me thinking that machine learning will help us complete this version of "impossible"?

I'm obviously spitballing here, and also running on, but my larger point is I grew up in the 1980's - a time of incredible hope for America and the future - and I can feel that we have all stopped dreaming for fear of being stupid - or conned - or even just annoyed. And it bothers me.

Posted by: Mega at March 20, 2018 06:10 PM (rv0Fo)

236 Truck driving is one of the largest employers of non college educated people so lets go ahead and take those jobs away

no computer will ever totally replace truck drivers. But long haul highway runs between depots? Yeah, sadly they probably will be out. From the depot to a destination, still gonna need a driver to make all those decisions and do the tricky parts of backing into Farmer Joe's f'd up barn and down the country lane.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 06:10 PM (39g3+)

237 189 Please state the street and number.

Posted by: Johnny Cab


I'm changing my street address to Fuck You Asshole and putting up a convenience store there.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 20, 2018 06:10 PM (0ogQG)

238 It would appear we have a major snow event going on in the NE

Posted by: Skip at March 20, 2018 06:10 PM (aC6Sd)

239 I mean, as others have noted, cars with drivers hit pedestrians all the time. Obviously, we'd like driverless cars to be safer than bad drivers - but we cant expect 0 fatalities if even humans can't manage that.

How many is too many? Not my place to say.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at March 20, 2018 06:10 PM (l1lYR)

240 I like the OPTION of driverless cars.

What I don't want is it being mandatory. And my guess is in a few years, they will have gotten it to the point where the driving record of humans vs computers will have like a 100x the accident rate with human drivers. And insurance companies will charge accordingly.

Posted by: Maritime at March 20, 2018 06:11 PM (lKmt3)

241 If these become commonplace, I fully expect them to be hacked and used for terrorism.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 20, 2018 06:11 PM (NWiLs)

242 *Jihadi App Loaded*

Vroom!

Posted by: ISIS at March 20, 2018 06:11 PM (oVJmc)

243 I would give my left testicle to have the freedom of a driverless car.

-----

How many miles on it?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 20, 2018 06:05 PM


The testicle or the driverless car?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 20, 2018 06:11 PM (ctuyM)

244 229

More excited about the flying cars though.

Porsche joins Daimler, Geely, Italdesign in race for flying cars

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 20, 2018 06:09 PM (fceHP)



Moller International, of Davis, California, has been working on this for years, and doing other things just to keep the capital incoming:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moller_M400_Skycar

Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2018 06:11 PM (ujg0T)

245 Almost took someone out once. Scared the hell outta me. And I'm super careful. I know I'm not sounding like it, lol, but I am.
Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at March 20, 2018 06:05 PM (LZJOv)

Any WalMart parking lot can turn into the arena of death. Think of the people you see inside the store and most of them are driving.

Posted by: Cheri at March 20, 2018 06:12 PM (oiNtH)

246 >>Y'all call it cruising down in the Keys, yes?

I call it driving to Happy Hour.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 20, 2018 06:12 PM (/tuJf)

247 fools. why would you give AI mobility?

Posted by: x at March 20, 2018 06:12 PM (nFwvY)

248 This driverless shit meds to be stopped, pronto.

Posted by: Legion of Gloomer at March 20, 2018 06:12 PM (vtofY)

249 Late to thread, so what was the safety person doing when the car hit the woman?

Playing Candy Crush on phone?

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 20, 2018 06:12 PM (5HyS+)

250 Why are cyclists such pricks?

Drunk on endorphins and narcissism.

Posted by: ISIS at March 20, 2018 06:12 PM (oVJmc)

251 234
Sure it's all fun and games until your car auto-brakes during the zombie Apocalypse and the zombies drag you from the vehicle and eat your brain!


Posted by: Archer at March 20, 2018 06:10 PM (gbWkA)


Good point.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at March 20, 2018 06:12 PM (Dp6qK)

252 hile regular cars drive way too fast and whiz around me in all kinds of inclement weather. Can't wait to have a driver-less semi to contend with on narrow mountain roads.


Posted by: Cheri at March




Well, if everyone is whizzing by you you are probably ly in the wrong lane driving too slowly.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 20, 2018 06:12 PM (MTjB1)

253 Needs, dammit.

Posted by: Legion of Gloomer at March 20, 2018 06:12 PM (vtofY)

254 if there is an accident with a cop manually directing traffic around an accident, maybe even onto the wrong side of the road ... does the driverless car just stop ?....

Posted by: E.T. at March 20, 2018 06:12 PM (nzKWW)

255 168
Wonder if there would be less sympathy if the Uber car had kit a cyclist?



Just asking. You know, for academic reasons.

Posted by: Pug Mahon in the Upside Down



________



Why are cyclists such pricks?

Posted by: Maritime at March 20, 2018 06:00 PM (lKmt3)



About 4 years ago a guy was killed riding his bike one night by a drunk driver. All kinds of outrage by the bikey types about how nobody gives them respect and all that bullshit. Problem is, it would not have made a damn bit of difference if the driver was drunk or not, the guy would be riding his bike at 11pm on a pitch black road wearing all black and his bike had no reflectors or lights on it. We, stone sober, almost hit the guy several times when we would be out driving.

Oh, and he had the tendency to ride through red lights and stop signs.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, nee MrCaniac at March 20, 2018 06:12 PM (fdTrp)

256 And insurance companies will charge accordingly.

That and the state being able to take over your car are the biggest concerns I have. No Johnny, you're going to the processing center *clunk of doors locking*

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 06:12 PM (39g3+)

257 And then... frankly some people drive better than others. Who wants to be the guy that programs a computer to be wary around old Asian drivers or hot hatchbacks with booming stereos driven by black youths? Or that pickup with the confederate flags, smokestack pipes, silhouetted girl mudflaps, truck nuts, and lifted suspension? What company wants to ever admit they programmed that into a computer.

I always worry about BMWs, Volvos, and formerly, SAABs. Priuses and Minis have recently made the list too.

Posted by: rd at March 20, 2018 06:13 PM (4dz1m)

258 202
I see this is the grocery store, and it is because of how the lot is set up...blind spots. I can look both ways, but a person can show up in the moment it takes me to turn my head. I don't get it either. It is another example of stupid.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at March 20, 2018 06:05 PM (LZJOv)


When I'm walking through a parking lot and see a car backing out, I stop and let him go ahead. I'm not going to insist on my right-of-way against a 3000 lb. hunk of metal.

Posted by: rickl at March 20, 2018 06:13 PM (sdi6R)

259 216 Its not just millenials who hate driving. There is a
gal in my office, very intelligent but with very progressive ideas and
loves the concept of self driving cars. And she is in her mid 40s


Posted by: IC at March 20, 2018 05:43 PM (a0IVu)

Self-driving cars>wymmin drivers>asian drivers?Asking for a friend
Posted by: Archer at March 20, 2018 06:07 PM (gbWkA)

I hit an Asain woman so hard from the back it should have been a hate crime. She slammed the brakes on a yellow left turn light during lunch hour in the Denevr Tech Area. I was in a rental with no rental insurance. She could not speak English and we exchanged insurance. A horde of Asains circled the wagons to convince me not to call the cops. Then a few days later my insurance company claims she is trying to sue me.

Fucking illegals.

Posted by: Monk at March 20, 2018 06:13 PM (/LX46)

260 Will driverless cars be mowing down pets that happen to be in the middle of the road? I doubt they will slow down or stop until the dog or cat crosses the street.

Posted by: redridinghood at March 20, 2018 06:13 PM (PvFoN)

261 250 Why are cyclists such pricks?

Drunk on endorphins and narcissism.
Posted by: ISIS at March 20, 2018 06:12 PM (oVJmc)

It's always the cyclefags, too: the ones geared out to the max in specialized spandex gear, rear view mirror glasses, eighty-brazilian dollar carbon-fiber 48 speed bike.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 20, 2018 06:13 PM (NWiLs)

262 To be fair, some idiot coming out between parked cars can be hard to see and even harder to stop for or avoid. Especially at 40.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 06:14 PM (39g3+)

263 >>>From the depot to a destination, still gonna need a driver to make all those decisions and do the tricky parts of backing into Farmer Joe's f'd up barn and down the country lane.


Country lanes are cake. Navigating downtown Pittsburgh, on the other hand...

Posted by: Citizen Cake at March 20, 2018 06:14 PM (ppaKI)

264 I'm thinking logan's run, but with uber.

Posted by: Gentlemen


Jenny Agutter can run over me with her "Uber" anytime!

IYKWIMAITYD

Posted by: Sharkman at March 20, 2018 06:14 PM (Kge8X)

265 Question, are these driverless cars equipped to flip you off and honk furiously if you piss them off?

Posted by: Cheri at March 20, 2018 06:14 PM (oiNtH)

266 But if we replace long haul truckers, how will we replenish the glory hole industry? You're putting bargain hookers everywhere out of house and home!

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at March 20, 2018 06:15 PM (l1lYR)

267 I always worry about BMWs, Volvos, and formerly, SAABs. Priuses and Minis have recently made the list too.
Posted by: rd at March 20, 2018 06:13 PM (4dz1m)




Here in the SF area, the leftist "Womyn" in the Volvos (with annoying bumper stickers) are the worst. I was tempted to try to write a book about my experiences with them: "Women Loving Women Who Drive Volvos And The Men Who Hate Them".

Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2018 06:15 PM (ujg0T)

268 I Can't Drive 55.

Posted by: Sammy "Uber" Hagar at March 20, 2018 06:15 PM (953wK)

269 Death Race 2018 - No drivers needed, everybody looses.

Posted by: Gmac-Native in exile at March 20, 2018 06:15 PM (4pjhs)

270 if there is an accident with a cop manually
directing traffic around an accident, maybe even onto the wrong side of
the road ... does the driverless car just stop ?....
Posted by: E.T. at March 20, 2018 06:12 PM


It will be programmed to slow to a crawl, in order for the passengers to 'looky-lou'.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 20, 2018 06:15 PM (ctuyM)

271 You remove the human element, and you're kind of out of a job.


Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at March 20, 2018 05:54 PM (Dp6qK)


That's a feature, not a bug. Get those deplorables dependent on the federal tit.

Posted by: josephistan at March 20, 2018 06:15 PM (ANIFC)

272 Moller International, of Davis, California, has been working on this for years, and doing other things just to keep the capital incoming:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moller_M400_Skycar
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2018 06:11 PM (ujg0T)


it says

As of 2018, no Moller air vehicle has successfully flown in free, non-tethered flight.

Yikes.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 20, 2018 06:15 PM (fceHP)

273 238 It would appear we have a major snow event going on in the NE
Posted by: Skip at March 20, 2018 06:10 PM (aC6Sd)


Hey, but at least it's Spring!

Posted by: rickl at March 20, 2018 06:16 PM (sdi6R)

274 I need a car that I can drive at 300 mph to get to work.

Posted by: Archer at March 20, 2018 06:16 PM (gbWkA)

275 I believe we have a technology boom coming in the next decade that most
of us simply cannot fathom. In my opinion, one of the next great major
advancements is machine learning (colloquially "AI")... where we program
computers - which can "think" at blazing speeds - to conduct specific
tasks we previously dreamed impossible.
---------------

*backs up , runs over body*

*BEEP*

Posted by: driverless Uber car at March 20, 2018 06:16 PM (ROV4u)

276 I don't like the idea of driverless cars. I don't like giving up control like that. And if you can't override it, forget it.

I'd like to hear more about the "human safety driver" - is this just an observer who sat there and could do nothing but watch this?

Posted by: bluebell at March 20, 2018 06:16 PM (oMtOd)

277 >>>My car is semi driverless. It can park itself, it
can stop on its own if someone cuts me off, it can accelerate on its own
using adaptive cruise, and if I veet out of my lane it pushes itself
back into the lane. Plus all the voice recognition commands available.



So from that to full auto driving seems very doable on a mass scale and acceptance by the public.



Posted by: #neverskankles at March 20, 2018 06:02 PM
.
.
.Until your driverless car tries to drive in a rain or snowstorm or has to negotiate road construction.

then you had better be ready to take over driving.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 20, 2018 06:16 PM (+Dllb)

278 Worst drivers are teenage boys.

Omg, I laugh bcz it is so obvious. First, the car is shaking bcz the music is so so fvcking loud, even with the windows closed. Then they are fiddling with the radio, or phone, or god knows what else. And they love to peel rubber and go as fast as possible. Weaving in and out of lanes and slower cars, also fun for them. And I don't think they know turn signals.

I'm laughing typing this even though they are reckless. The insurance rates for them reflect it. And yes, there are exceptions...no one wet their pants please.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at March 20, 2018 06:17 PM (LZJOv)

279 267 I always worry about BMWs, Volvos, and formerly, SAABs. Priuses and Minis have recently made the list too.
Posted by: rd at March 20, 2018 06:13 PM (4dz1m)



Here in the SF area, the leftist "Womyn" in the Volvos (with annoying bumper stickers) are the worst. I was tempted to try to write a book about my experiences with them: "Women Loving Women Who Drive Volvos And The Men Who Hate Them".
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2018 06:15 PM (ujg0T)

I've seen several cars around here with hand-made signs & stickers (anti-Trump, natch) plastered over them. They're the real crazies.

Posted by: josephistan at March 20, 2018 06:17 PM (ANIFC)

280 These fucking things circle Carnegie-Mellon all day. All sorts of ventures between uber / Google/ Amazon and federal gov't. Don't trust them.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 20, 2018 06:17 PM (iTqVJ)

281 It's always the cyclefags, too: the ones geared out
to the max in specialized spandex gear, rear view mirror glasses,
eighty-brazilian dollar carbon-fiber 48 speed bike.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 20, 2018 06:13 PM


Is there an untapped niche market here -- Crocs with pedal clip-ins?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 20, 2018 06:17 PM (ctuyM)

282
- trusting AI driverless cars.
- Alexa has learned to laugh in a creepy way at random times at humans.

I'm not getting in those death traps on a one way ticket to human labor camps.

Posted by: Monk at March 20, 2018 06:17 PM (/LX46)

283 Well, if everyone is whizzing by you you are probably ly in the wrong lane driving too slowly.

Posted by: yankeefifth

Nope. Doing the speed limit in the right hand land. When I say driving too fast, they do. They are mountain drivers and admittedly I am a sea level type of gal - but I don't' go too slow.

Posted by: Cheri at March 20, 2018 06:17 PM (oiNtH)

284 We had the "Boston left turn" (where you are in the left turn lane and when the light turns, you gun it rather than yield to oncoming traffic) now I see the San Francisco Right Turn, this is where you are stopped in the far left lane then, when the light turns you gun it and turn right in front of 2 or 3 lanes of traffic.
It is mayhem out there.
On the other hand, I know a guy my age comfortably retired after being hit by a car while he was a pedestrian. Cost him his legs, tho'

Posted by: navybrat at March 20, 2018 06:18 PM (w7KSn)

285 It will be programmed to slow to a crawl, in order for the passengers to 'looky-lou'.


Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 20, 2018 06:15 PM (ctuyM)

i laughed.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 20, 2018 06:18 PM (o7tuA)

286 My car is semi driverless. It can park itself, it

can stop on its own if someone cuts me off, it can accelerate on its own

using adaptive cruise, and if I veet out of my lane it pushes itself

back into the lane. Plus all the voice recognition commands available.





So from that to full auto driving seems very doable on a mass scale and acceptance by the public.





Posted by: #neverskankles at March 20, 2018 06:02 PM

I don't know you people.

Posted by: Archer at March 20, 2018 06:18 PM (gbWkA)

287 I have the greatest enthusiasm for our trip today, Dave.

Posted by: HAL 9000 at March 20, 2018 06:18 PM (oVJmc)

288 Self-driving cars>wymmin drivers>asian drivers?Asking for a friend

Posted by: Archer at March 20, 2018 06:07 PM (gbWkA)



I hit an Asain woman so hard from the back it should have been a
hate crime. She slammed the brakes on a yellow left turn light during
lunch hour in the Denevr Tech Area. I was in a rental with no rental
insurance. She could not speak English and we exchanged insurance. A
horde of Asains circled the wagons to convince me not to call the cops.
Then a few days later my insurance company claims she is trying to sue
me.



Fucking illegals.

Posted by: Monk at March 20, 2018 06:13 PM (/LX46)
Asian drivers can be horrible - bad drivers and rude and never like to admit they are at fault in an accident. It is a common mentality in most Asian countries unfortunately.

Posted by: IC at March 20, 2018 06:19 PM (a0IVu)

289 282


- trusting AI driverless cars.

- Alexa has learned to laugh in a creepy way at random times at humans.



I'm not getting in those death traps on a one way ticket to human labor camps.



Posted by: Monk at March 20, 2018 06:17 PM (/LX46)



You'll be fine. We'll take the scenic route.

Posted by: K.I.T.T. at March 20, 2018 06:19 PM (Dp6qK)

290 Why would I replace a truck driver when I can instead fire my in-house legal department? The math is so easy. I might make my truck driver more of an overseer of my AI driver, but I don't need any stinking lawyers any more. They are a drain on the money, they have outlived their usefulness. Human resource professionals? Huh? What? Meat-sacks filling chairs and messing with biases and bending the rules for their friends, well, they're gone too. A non-emotional, value based system, can replace them in a skinny minute. Truck drivers, not so much. They can still add value to the bottom line from time to time as they ride along and study to learn new skills that will make them even more valuable to the biz.

Posted by: goon at March 20, 2018 06:19 PM (EaQ6/)

291 I think driverless cars could work in controlled circumstances.

Imagine one lane of a freeway dedicated to driverless cars? You manually pull up next to it, turn on the autopilot, and it merges you into the stream, everyone going the same speed and with the same clearance. You can relax, and let the car do the driving, just like your own personal Uber.

Posted by: rd at March 20, 2018 06:19 PM (4dz1m)

292 lol. If you live where the idea of finding 2 spots to
"pull through" is normal, that's great. I rarely have that option.

Posted by: dagny at March 20, 2018 06:19 PM (CAKgV)

293 My car is semi driverless. It can park itself, it
can stop on its own if someone cuts me off, it can accelerate on its own
using adaptive cruise, and if I veet out of my lane it pushes itself
back into the lane. Plus all the voice recognition commands available.


oh yes, adaptive cruise is great. Seriously, stress free. I love it.

Same here with the rest. I do love it.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 20, 2018 06:19 PM (fceHP)

294 Weather will be tbe hardest obstacle. Doesnt mattet how good the tech is, if the sensors are covered in grime. My wife's car gets grumpy in heavy snow, all the safety sensors start beeping randomly.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 20, 2018 06:19 PM (6lyGf)

295 As of 2018, no Moller air vehicle has successfully flown in free, non-tethered flight.
Yikes.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 20, 2018 06:15 PM


To be fair, with slightly different spelling, this can be said of me, as well.

Posted by: Robert "Robert" Mueller at March 20, 2018 06:19 PM (ctuyM)

296
We had the "Boston left turn" (where you are in the left turn lane and
when the light turns, you gun it rather than yield to oncoming traffic)
now I see the San Francisco Right Turn, this is where you are stopped in
the far left lane then, when the light turns you gun it and turn right
in front of 2 or 3 lanes of traffic.

It is mayhem out there.

On the other hand, I know a guy my age comfortably retired after
being hit by a car while he was a pedestrian. Cost him his legs, tho'

Posted by: navybrat at March 20, 2018 06:18 PM (w7KSn)

French Canadians in Montreal have been doing that since the 1970's

Posted by: Archer at March 20, 2018 06:19 PM (gbWkA)

297 I am reliably informed (by a news report I heard on the radio today, so it must be true) that the deceased in this case darted into traffic in such a way that even Michael Schumacher on his best day still would have T-Boned her.
So we are still good to go for me to get my F-14 Tomcat Flying Car!!!!
Wooo hooo!!!
Posted by: Sharkman at March 20, 2018 05:44

Has it been posited that she may have been trying to commit suicide? Or was she impaired in someway? If neither how did she live as long as she did if it's just stupidity, maybe just dumb luck?

Posted by: Farmer at March 20, 2018 06:20 PM (yJ1e6)

298 I'd like to hear more about the "human safety driver" - is this just an observer who sat there and could do nothing but watch this?

Posted by: bluebell

________

They have control over the car and are there in order to "step in" in case something goes wrong. It's a safer way to field test.

The car has everything a non-driverless car has.

To me, that shows you this accident was likely non-avoidable as even a human driver there could not prevent it.

Posted by: Maritime at March 20, 2018 06:20 PM (lKmt3)

299 There are definitely places in this country where the speed limit is seen as a suggestion, guideline, or challenge. No one observes it. And if they are onserving it, you know there is a cop or state trooper on the road ahead.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at March 20, 2018 06:20 PM (LZJOv)

300 I am sure driverless cars will work great....just like the back up beeper on my car...I mean it never beeps when there is nothing there so that I get programmed to ignore it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 20, 2018 06:21 PM (SjImc)

301 I put a new engine in my car.


I didn't take the old one out.


Now I can go 300 miles an hour.


(old Steven Wright classic, just seemed appropriate)

Posted by: rhomboid at March 20, 2018 06:21 PM (QDnY+)

302 Onserving=observing

Damn.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at March 20, 2018 06:21 PM (LZJOv)

303 French Canadians in Montreal have been doing that since the 1970's
Posted by: Archer at March 20, 2018 06:19 PM (gbWkA)
---------

First and only place I've ever seen that done is in northern New Jersey. And I drive there less than I drive in Boston.

Posted by: bluebell at March 20, 2018 06:21 PM (oMtOd)

304 I always worry about BMWs, Volvos, and formerly, SAABs. Priuses and Minis have recently made the list too.
Posted by: rd at March 20, 2018 06:13 PM (4dz1m)

Lexus. How can you not know about the Rx330/350 to asshole ratio being 1:1

or is that a thing localized to Wi?

Also, bicyclists in groups of 3 or more are known only as assholes. The more "racing gear" they have on, the bigger the assholes.
Especially the spandex shit with the faux endorsements.
Makes a sane man want to make a game of hitting them.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 20, 2018 06:21 PM (z79tQ)

305
So we are still good to go for me to get my F-14 Tomcat Flying Car!!!!
Wooo hooo!!!
Posted by: Sharkman at March 20, 2018 05:44


All right! Link?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at March 20, 2018 06:21 PM (vzMuS)

306 Worst drivers are teenage boys.

Omg, I laugh bcz it is so obvious. First, the car is shaking bcz the music is so so fvcking loud, even with the windows closed. Then they are fiddling with the radio, or phone, or god knows what else. And they love to peel rubber and go as fast as possible. Weaving in and out of lanes and slower cars, also fun for them. And I don't think they know turn signals.

I'm laughing typing this even though they are reckless. The insurance rates for them reflect it. And yes, there are exceptions...no one wet their pants please.
Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at March




You seem to be mistaking skill with recklessness. The reckless behavior is how men wind up being better drivers than women.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 20, 2018 06:21 PM (MTjB1)

307 278
Worst drivers are teenage boys.



Omg, I laugh bcz it is so obvious. First, the car is shaking bcz
the music is so so fvcking loud, even with the windows closed. Then
they are fiddling with the radio, or phone, or god knows what else. And
they love to peel rubber and go as fast as possible. Weaving in and
out of lanes and slower cars, also fun for them. And I don't think they
know turn signals.



I'm laughing typing this even though they are reckless. The
insurance rates for them reflect it. And yes, there are exceptions...no
one wet their pants please.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at March 20, 2018 06:17 PM (LZJOv)



To be fair, teenage boys have to rub one out about every 10 minutes.

Funny how all you hear about is that women's clothing is more expensive to have cleaned at the cleaners, but they never say anything about men 16-26 getting raked over the coals for auto insurance.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, nee MrCaniac at March 20, 2018 06:21 PM (fdTrp)

308 Why are cyclists such pricks?

Drunk on endorphins and narcissism.
Posted by: ISIS at March 20, 2018 06:12 PM (oVJmc)

It's always the cyclefags, too: the ones geared out to the max in specialized spandex gear, rear view mirror glasses, eighty-brazilian dollar carbon-fiber 48 speed bike.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 20, 2018 06:13 PM (NWiLs)

Many Cross Fitters are cyclefags too. Then you have the triathletes who spend all their kids college education on being an average triathlete.

Posted by: Monk at March 20, 2018 06:22 PM (/LX46)

309 A young female in a volvo let me merge last week. My son and I freaked. Had to be the end times.

Posted by: dagny at March 20, 2018 06:22 PM (CAKgV)

310 Worst drivers are teenage boys.

Teenage boys are dumb.

But something I've seen is young women who feel very powerful and aggressive behind the wheel, like they're finally as big and fast as everybody else and drive like maniacs.

Got to watch my sister-in-law get ticketed once for doing that and tailgating a SEMI.

Posted by: HAL 9000 at March 20, 2018 06:22 PM (oVJmc)

311 If I were the Devil, Paul Harvey -1965

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LWPcEo2gV0

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at March 20, 2018 06:22 PM (Ckg4U)

312 I have never met a non-dbag triathlete. And I know many, sadly.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 20, 2018 06:23 PM (6lyGf)

313 Wonder what the name for "had sex while in the back seat of a driverless car going down the road" will be.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor


Back Seat Driving

Posted by: Sharkman at March 20, 2018 06:23 PM (Kge8X)

314 Worst drivers are teenage boys.

Teenagers in general, really. Teen girls in a car and they're putting makeup on (even on each other), singing to the music, texting etc. Its just as bad as knucklehead boys. Like everyone there are conscientious people; some Asian drivers are magnificent. Old white people are terrible as well; its like they figure they paid their dues so you best stay out of the way because they have nothing to lose.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 06:23 PM (39g3+)

315 Sorry for the OT, but I was in tears listening to it.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at March 20, 2018 06:23 PM (Ckg4U)

316 Did the car go VROOM VROOM before it went thump thump?

Posted by: wth at March 20, 2018 06:23 PM (HgMAr)

317 You bitch about the commercial with the kid that doesn't know how to change a flat tire or what a lug wrench looks like. Then go on about your self-parking beta male cars. I weep for my nation and western civilization!

YOUR ELDERS DIDN"T KICK THE NAZI'S ASSES TO LET YOU HAVE SELF-PARKING CARS!!!

Posted by: Archer at March 20, 2018 06:23 PM (gbWkA)

318 To me, that shows you this accident was likely non-avoidable as even a human driver there could not prevent it.
Posted by: Maritime at March 20, 2018 06:20 PM (lKmt3)
---------

Assuming he was paying attention the same way he would be if he were driving. And assuming he was in the driver's seat. That's why I'd like to hear more about his role in this.

Not trying to be argumentative, but I honestly have no idea if he could have done anything or tried to do anything because I don't know how it all works.

Posted by: bluebell at March 20, 2018 06:24 PM (oMtOd)

319 So crosswalks need to become AI-free forbidden zones?

Yeah, that will work.

Posted by: Fritz at March 20, 2018 06:24 PM (bJ0w+)

320
To me, that shows you this accident was likely non-avoidable as even a human driver there could not prevent it.

Posted by: Maritime at March 20, 2018 06:20 PM (lKmt3)


If the guy was paying attention

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 20, 2018 06:24 PM (lKyWE)

321 Why is Uber trying so hard to get driverless cars anyway? They don't pay their drivers Heath insurance or for vacation. They just pocket a percentage of ever fare. But with automated cars they have to pay for the card, car maintenance and huge R&D costs to get this thing up and running. Not to mention the liability costs of accidents like this. So where is all this money to burn coming from and why bother?

Posted by: StrawMan at March 20, 2018 06:24 PM (rvtDF)

322 The one triathlete I knew (who never played on a high school or college sports team, btw) got in a bike accident and is now a paraplegic. Hit " leaves going too fast, skidded and went head first into "raffy"(?) the rocks used to slow erosion. Broke his neck.

Posted by: dagny at March 20, 2018 06:25 PM (CAKgV)

323 Subaru are the new flagship of liberal.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 20, 2018 06:25 PM (MTjB1)

324 You seem to be mistaking skill with recklessness. The reckless behavior is how men wind up being better drivers than women.
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 20, 2018 06:21 PM (MTjB1)

Fist bump.

Posted by: DR.WTF - Loyal Order of Turtles at March 20, 2018 06:25 PM (T71PA)

325 I don't see more advanced cruise control, back-up cameras, and the like as "driver-less" things - they are just labor-saving or capacity-enhancing things that help a human operator. They address a few nicely defined functions. And they're great. Just don't think the driver-less car thing is the same discussion.


As long as mandates and subsidies can be kept out of it, I don't fear how things will go.


Thus, I am in great fear of how things will go (just kidding).

Posted by: rhomboid at March 20, 2018 06:25 PM (QDnY+)

326 I'd like to hear more about the "human safety
driver" - is this just an observer who sat there and could do nothing
but watch this?
Posted by: bluebell at March 20, 2018 06:16 PM


If you're bluebell's "human passenger" in her black muscle car, bring a couple of small paper or plastic bags. The 5+ G donuts can queasy even the most aerobatic of stomachs.

It's even worse when she's on a 'consequences' run toward CBD. And all you can do is sit there and watch.

Posted by: Robert at March 20, 2018 06:25 PM (ctuyM)

327 279 267 I always worry about BMWs, Volvos, and formerly, SAABs. Priuses and Minis have recently made the list too.
Posted by: rd at March 20, 2018 06:13 PM (4dz1m)



Here in the SF area, the leftist "Womyn" in the Volvos (with annoying bumper stickers) are the worst. I was tempted to try to write a book about my experiences with them: "Women Loving Women Who Drive Volvos And The Men Who Hate Them".
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2018 06:15 PM (ujg0T)

I've seen several cars around here with hand-made signs & stickers (anti-Trump, natch) plastered over them. They're the real crazies.
Posted by: josephistan at March 20, 2018 06:17 PM (ANIFC)

--------------

I want to get a stack of Trump Pence bumper stickers and put them on the nice cars in these neighborhoods. Let the woke and Progressives make friends and influence their neighbors with random vandalism.

Posted by: rd at March 20, 2018 06:25 PM (4dz1m)

328 Im in my 40s and got my license at 16. Since then Ive had 8 speeding tickets and totaled a car.

I am shall we say a weee bit aggresive, lol.

Maybe a driverless car would make tje roads safer, lol.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 20, 2018 06:25 PM (6lyGf)

329 314. Older drivers perplex me. Notorious for driving too slowly, of course, but then ya got the unanticipated maneuvers and acceleration. I attribute this latter category of behavior to their feeling the icy breath of the Reaper. For the former, I have no theories as yet.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at March 20, 2018 06:26 PM (fA1SL)

330 YOUR ELDERS DIDN"T KICK THE NAZI'S ASSES TO LET YOU HAVE SELF-PARKING CARS!!!
Posted by: Archer at March 20, 2018 06:23 PM (gbWkA)
--------

Word.

And I can parallel park.

Well.

Posted by: bluebell at March 20, 2018 06:26 PM (oMtOd)

331 323 Subaru are the new flagship of liberal.
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 20, 2018 06:25 PM (MTjB1)




"The Poor Dyke's Volvo...."

Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2018 06:26 PM (ujg0T)

332 The only reason that we don't have flying cars already is because of the people factor. If we can get past the ego stuff, the machines will give us flying cars. It would be better for everybody if my neighbor NEVER got to pilot a flying car! The amount of money saved by Americans annually on DUI fines, court costs, lawyer fees, jail costs, rehab costs, etc., etc., etc., could pay off the national debt in about 20 years, conservatively.

Posted by: goon at March 20, 2018 06:26 PM (EaQ6/)

333 21
Why are cyclists such pricks?



It seems to be a big city thing. The more cyclists in proximity,
the worse they become. In smaller communities or rural areas,
bicyclists aren't an arrogant idiotic menace. Nor are they protected as
much by the local law.




In other words, just like Muzzie immigrant populations coming into a non-Muzzie country.

As the % goes up, the militancy grows exponentially.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at March 20, 2018 06:26 PM (UsCnO)

334 I don't want a driverless car and I don't like being told I will like it and want it.

Tech has now jumped the shark in certain areas, and I have no desire to make these tech monsters richer as they control my choices and life. Just like they are controlling what is on YouTube, facebook, Twitter, and other social platforms.

And I cannot believe the lemmings that are bringing Alexa and things in their house so they can be spied on. It's like 1984 was an instruction manual people are following. I do not get it. But I do not get a lot of behaviors anymore, or the lack of resistance by anyone but the left...uh-oh. Here I go. Zipping it right now.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at March 20, 2018 06:27 PM (LZJOv)

335 Probably all my comments have been made by others, so...screw driverless cars; cars = freedom.

I would be one of the biggest selling points to users and governments is "safety" so I'm glad we're getting a good feel for how safe (not) they are.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 20, 2018 06:27 PM (W+vEI)

336 >>>I still bet on the driverless car to out parallel-park a woman.
.............

But it would steal the space from a little old lady who was patiently waiting for the spot.

Posted by: wth at March 20, 2018 06:27 PM (HgMAr)

337 Subarus in warm weather. Always make me laugh.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 20, 2018 06:27 PM (6lyGf)

338 288
Self-driving cars>wymmin drivers>asian drivers?Asking for a friend


Posted by: Archer at March 20, 2018 06:07 PM (gbWkA)





I hit an Asain woman so hard from the back it should have been a

hate crime. She slammed the brakes on a yellow left turn light during

lunch hour in the Denevr Tech Area. I was in a rental with no rental

insurance. She could not speak English and we exchanged insurance. A

horde of Asains circled the wagons to convince me not to call the cops.

Then a few days later my insurance company claims she is trying to sue

me.





Fucking illegals.



Posted by: Monk at March 20, 2018 06:13 PM (/LX46)
Asian drivers
can be horrible - bad drivers and rude and never like to admit they are
at fault in an accident. It is a common mentality in most Asian
countries unfortunately.


Posted by: IC at March 20, 2018 06:19 PM (a0IVu)



Was at a stoplight years ago when an ambulance with lights and sirens blaring pulled up to it. Little old asian lady in front of it would not move, at all. Just sat there waiting for the light to turn green.

We do have the traffic lights that have the sensor on them to change for emergency vehicles, but this ambulance was an out-of-town one, and their frequency is different than the local one.

Posted by: Ashley Judds Puffy Scamper, nee MrCaniac at March 20, 2018 06:27 PM (fdTrp)

339 BOMBS 'N GUNS YOU GONNA DIE!!!

-NBC News tonight

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 20, 2018 06:28 PM (4ErVI)

340 >>I don't want a driverless car and I don't like being told I will like it and want it. Tech has now jumped the shark in certain areas, and I have no desire to make these tech monsters richer as they control my choices and life. Just like they are controlling what is on YouTube, facebook, Twitter, and other social platforms.


AMEN!

Posted by: Lizzy at March 20, 2018 06:28 PM (W+vEI)

341 Yeah, I was pleased to get my 24 year old off my insurance until it went up because it meant that his 21 year old brother had MORE access to their shared car.

Posted by: dagny at March 20, 2018 06:28 PM (CAKgV)

342 I'm sure they are programming these cars to only run over Trump voters.

Posted by: wth at March 20, 2018 06:28 PM (HgMAr)

343 In other words, just like Muzzie immigrant populations coming into a non-Muzzie country.

As the % goes up, the militancy grows exponentially.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at March 20, 2018 06:26 PM (UsCnO)

Yes, somewhere out there, there is a playbook that lays out the percentages of population they are and when things occur. It was on my computer that crashed and I still curse myself for losing it.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at March 20, 2018 06:28 PM (LZJOv)

344 322 The one triathlete I knew (who never played on a high school or college sports team, btw) got in a bike accident and is now a paraplegic. Hit " leaves going too fast, skidded and went head first into "raffy"(?) the rocks used to slow erosion. Broke his neck.
Posted by: dagny at March 20, 2018 06:25 PM (CAKgV)


My first auto accident was when I went around a curve and slid on a patch of wet leaves. I went off the road and banged the car up a bit, but was uninjured.

I learned a valuable lesson: Wet leaves can be as slippery as ice.

Posted by: rickl at March 20, 2018 06:28 PM (sdi6R)

345
What is the point of flying cars?

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 20, 2018 06:28 PM (lKyWE)

346 298
They have control over the car and are there in
order to "step in" in case something goes wrong. It's a safer way to
field test.



The car has everything a non-driverless car has.



To me, that shows you this accident was likely non-avoidable as even a human driver there could not prevent it.

Posted by: Maritime at March 20, 2018 06:20 PM (lKmt3)-------------------------------
That is what the police said. According to them the accident would not have been not preventable in any circumstance. Supposedly the woman darted out in front of the car.

Posted by: Javems at March 20, 2018 06:29 PM (lzRea)

347 maybe in the next computer simulation, we will make it to flying cars. No way in hell we are reaching that save point this time around.

Posted by: Monk at March 20, 2018 06:29 PM (/LX46)

348 I would hate a car semi-driving for me. Keeping distance between cars, lane warning..blah blah. I would turn it all off if I could so no, don't want it. Plus I like scaring the scrap out of myself sometimes when i'm not paying attention. Its a rush cheating death.....the air is cleaner, the air sweeter.....

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 20, 2018 06:29 PM (o7tuA)

349 Seriously a driverless car or a paid full-time driver would change my life.

Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at March 20, 2018 06:29 PM (0OmEj)

350
Here in the SF area, the leftist "Womyn" in the
Volvos (with annoying bumper stickers) are the worst. I was tempted to
try to write a book about my experiences with them: "Women Loving Women
Who Drive Volvos And The Men Who Hate Them".

Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2018 06:15 PM (ujg0T)



I've seen several cars around here with hand-made signs
stickers (anti-Trump, natch) plastered over them. They're the real
crazies.

Posted by: josephistan at March 20, 2018 06:17 PM (ANIFC)



--------------



I want to get a stack of Trump Pence bumper stickers and put them on
the nice cars in these neighborhoods. Let the woke and Progressives
make friends and influence their neighbors with random vandalism.



Posted by: rd at March 20, 2018 06:25 PM (4dz1m)


Now that is brilliant. And fun, too, watching progs devour themselves.
I'm stealing this idea!

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at March 20, 2018 06:29 PM (UsCnO)

351 The reckless behavior is how men wind up being better drivers than women.

Or in a wheelchair. Or a coffin.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 06:29 PM (39g3+)

352 BOMBS 'N GUNS YOU GONNA DIE!!!

-NBC News tonight

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 20, 2018 06:28 PM (4ErVI)

AND THE TAX LAW! APRIL15th THE END IS NEAR

Posted by: wth at March 20, 2018 06:29 PM (HgMAr)

353

btw, the driverless shuttle in Vegas crashed too, as I recall.

I have to go to dinner, so don't have time to look it up.

Also, there has been a driverless service between LA and Vegas - it was expensive, a shuttle which served food, as I recall, too.

I'm not sure if it is still in business. Was started by a kid, who's father kicked in the money to get it off the ground. There was always another person in the car to watch in case the car acted up.

/later

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 20, 2018 06:29 PM (fceHP)

354 What is the point of flying cars?

Keeping Up With The Jetsons.

Posted by: HAL 9000 at March 20, 2018 06:30 PM (oVJmc)

355 328 Im in my 40s and got my license at 16. Since then Ive had 8 speeding tickets and totaled a car.

I am shall we say a weee bit aggresive, lol."

piker! my first acquaintance with the legal establishment was when I got 8 speeding tickets in one year. They were threatening to take my license or some nonsense like that, when the problem was just I Can't Drive 55. At least I've learned how to talk to the cops and while I still get pulled over a couple times a year, I only get warnings now.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 20, 2018 06:30 PM (k1TUh)

356 As the % goes up, the militancy grows exponentially.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at March 20, 2018 06:26 PM (UsCnO)

They're like a plague of locusts. The're ok until the population hits a magic number and they go all biblical.

Posted by: DR.WTF - Loyal Order of Turtles at March 20, 2018 06:30 PM (T71PA)

357 Also, driverless cars are another way tech is making us lazy (and helpless). Having all this "smart" tech makes you dumb. I

Posted by: Lizzy at March 20, 2018 06:30 PM (W+vEI)

358 Ace. Please post Hillary's reaction if Ivanka becomes the first woman President. On daily caller now.

German interview, she refers to the American electoral experience as "the ship of state". Incredability bitter.

Posted by: redenzo at March 20, 2018 06:30 PM (14qvS)

359 To me, that shows you this accident was likely non-avoidable as even a human driver there could not prevent it.

Posted by: Maritime at March 20, 2018 06:20 PM (lKmt3)


If the guy was paying attention
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic

________

True, but do all other drivers also always pay attention?

I can't tell you how many times i have to lay in my horn because someone is looking at their cellphone holding up traffic.

From the facts I've heard, the pedestrian was in the wrong , and both with a human operator and a computer operator, she was hit. It seems to me the evidence points to the pedestrian being at fault and the accident likely unavoidable.

But if the driver was not paying attention, it's almost is an even bigger endorsement of driverless cars and their future.

Posted by: Maritime at March 20, 2018 06:30 PM (lKmt3)

360 Nope, no interest whatsoever in JohnnyCabs driving around. I will drive myself, it may end up being the last vestige of freedom we are allowed.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared, Americans don't Serf at March 20, 2018 06:31 PM (DxWUs)

361
That is what the police said. According to them the accident would
not have been not preventable in any circumstance. Supposedly the woman
darted out in front of the car.


We need driverless pedestrians!

Posted by: HAL 9000 at March 20, 2018 06:31 PM (oVJmc)

362 The reckless behavior is how men wind up being better drivers than women.

Or in a wheelchair. Or a coffin.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March




How is that different than any other dangerous activity? Do you disagree with my point that the men wind up being better drivers than women?

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 20, 2018 06:32 PM (MTjB1)

363 Also, driverless cars are another way tech is making us lazy (and helpless). Having all this "smart" tech makes you dumb. I
Posted by: Lizzy at March 20, 2018 06:30 PM (W+vEI)
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When I hear "driverless car" all I can think of is the people in Wall-E.

Posted by: bluebell at March 20, 2018 06:32 PM (oMtOd)

364 Micheal Savage was ahead of the curve about the cyclefag problem. He was complaining about them over 15 years ago in San Fran.

Posted by: Monk at March 20, 2018 06:32 PM (/LX46)

365 >>>What is the point of flying cars?<<<

Getting busy with your main squeeze at an altitude of 5280 feet.

Posted by: Fritz at March 20, 2018 06:32 PM (bJ0w+)

366 321
Why is Uber trying so hard to get driverless cars anyway? They don't
pay their drivers Heath insurance or for vacation. They just pocket a
percentage of ever fare. But with automated cars they have to pay for
the card, car maintenance and huge RD costs to get this thing up
and running. Not to mention the liability costs of accidents like this.
So where is all this money to burn coming from and why bother?

Posted by: StrawMan at March 20, 2018 06:24 PM (rvtDF)


Cut out the middleman?

Eventually, localities are going to want to "license" Uber/Lyft services not because they are competing with taxis, but because the pimps at City Hall/State House aren't getting their cut of the money.

Posted by: Ashley Judd Puffy Scamper, nee MrCaniac at March 20, 2018 06:33 PM (fdTrp)

367 Polite stuff like giving way to a elderly person or someone who is handicapped, will that be programmed into driverless cars? Or will political correctness software, perpetually updated with the latest grievance hit list, decide, like Robocop II?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 06:33 PM (39g3+)

368 351
The reckless behavior is how men wind up being better drivers than women.



Or in a wheelchair. Or a coffin.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 06:29 PM (39g3+)

Pooper. They died doing what they loved.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 20, 2018 06:33 PM (o7tuA)

369 Oh yeah its mainly warnings for me too. About 3 per year on average. I found the best approach is admit speeding without a BS excuse.

I once got pulled over doing 77 in a 65 while on a test drive. Told the trooper, Im test driving, have to see what it can do. He chuckled and told me to take it easy. The sales rep wasnt so amused, lol.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 20, 2018 06:33 PM (6lyGf)

370 Cancel the turn signal, HAL.
I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.
HAL, it's been on since we made that left in Albuquerque...

Posted by: Burger Chef at March 20, 2018 06:33 PM (RuIsu)

371 What is the point of flying cars?
.............

You get a better view of the scenery while you're stuck in traffic.

Posted by: wth at March 20, 2018 06:33 PM (HgMAr)

372 All OK if the driver were an angry youth of a particular religious persuasion, though. Right?

Posted by: Weasel at March 20, 2018 06:34 PM (MVjcR)

373 piker! my first acquaintance with the legal
establishment was when I got 8 speeding tickets in one year. They were
threatening to take my license or some nonsense like that, when the
problem was just I Can't Drive 55. At least I've learned how to talk to
the cops and while I still get pulled over a couple times a year, I
only get warnings now.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 20, 2018 06:30 PM (k1TUh)
omg! I have never gotten a ticket..just once I was pulled over for driving 55 in a 50 zone and I burst into tears and he let me go. lol..but I really was traumatized so it wasn't fake tears. I'm a wimp that way.

Posted by: IC at March 20, 2018 06:34 PM (a0IVu)

374 Why don't they focus on making a house cleaning robot that makes a mean pina coloda. I can drive just fine and I can read a map.

Posted by: REDACTED at March 20, 2018 06:34 PM (VWsDy)

375 The reckless behavior is how men wind up being better drivers than women.

Or in a wheelchair. Or a coffin.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 06:29 PM (39g3+)

Pooper. They died doing what they loved.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 20, 2018 06:33 PM (o7tuA)

For those who survive: "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger."

Posted by: DR.WTF - Loyal Order of Turtles at March 20, 2018 06:35 PM (T71PA)

376 How is that different than any other dangerous activity? Do you disagree with my point that the men wind up being better drivers than women?

I think that men in general are just better with mechanical devices and driving than women (obviously not always, Danica Patrick or Sabine from Top Gear would make every man in this blog look like a fool). I think its just one of those areas where what men are good at meshes well with the task, like women being innately better at fiddly delicate work like soldering boards or assembling tiny things.

Men are good at snap decisions and command. Women are good at analysis and delicate work. Neither makes either better than the other.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 06:35 PM (39g3+)

377 I can't edit text on a computer screen for shit. Can't do cross out either.

Posted by: Javems at March 20, 2018 06:35 PM (lzRea)

378 360
Nope, no interest whatsoever in JohnnyCabs driving around. I will drive
myself, it may end up being the last vestige of freedom we are allowed.


Posted by: The Mouse that Roared, Americans don't Serf at March 20, 2018 06:31 PM (DxWUs)

This. The more that is controlled for us the weaker we become.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 20, 2018 06:35 PM (o7tuA)

379 >>>What is the point of flying cars?<<<

Feral hog hunting.

Posted by: Fritz at March 20, 2018 06:35 PM (bJ0w+)

380 You seem to be mistaking skill with recklessness. The reckless behavior is how men wind up being better drivers than women.
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 20, 2018 06:21 PM (MTjB1)


Nice try. But I have seen no study that proves reckless driving = better drivers.

But good attempt. I can see how a person could try and make that argument.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at March 20, 2018 06:36 PM (LZJOv)

381 i think it could be a solution for some people , can't quit drinking- robot car. blind - robot car.
However i would never ever get in one. I have a nightmare of being stuck in riots, (been there done that) and i know that car won't move.

so no.

Posted by: willow at March 20, 2018 06:36 PM (/ikqi)

382 My truck doesn't even have cruise control, and I am just fine with that.

Posted by: Pug Mahon in the Upside Down at March 20, 2018 06:36 PM (xPJvm)

383 All OK if the driver were an angry youth of a particular religious persuasion, though. Right?
Posted by: Weasel

those damn Calvinists can't keep getting away with it!

Posted by: Monk at March 20, 2018 06:36 PM (/LX46)

384 >>They're like a plague of locusts. The're ok until the population hits a magic number and they go all biblical.


IIRC, it's at about 15 or 20%

Posted by: Lizzy at March 20, 2018 06:36 PM (W+vEI)

385 nood

Posted by: IC at March 20, 2018 06:36 PM (a0IVu)

386 373. Got clocked doing 90 and change in a 60 mph zone. My defense, that the vehicle was a v8 and I'd been used to driving a 4 cylinder, and that Kodachrome was blasting on the stereo, was unsuccessful.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at March 20, 2018 06:36 PM (fA1SL)

387 What is the point of flying cars?

Feral hog hunting.
Posted by: Fritz at March 20, 2018 06:35 PM (bJ0w+)

Rofl
I have no idea why.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at March 20, 2018 06:36 PM (LZJOv)

388 345
What is the point of flying cars?
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 20, 2018 06:28 PM (lKyWE)


To, uhhh, drive your enemies before you and hear the lamentations of their women?

Or, .. maybe to get from point A to point B about 6 x faster without having to dodge little Bobby chasing his ball out into the endless smelly traffic.

Posted by: goon at March 20, 2018 06:36 PM (EaQ6/)

389 I need to be in control. Feel that way on trains and planes as well. I guess a lack of trust in my fellow human being's competence makes me nervous. I need a highly skilled driver to take me everywhere while I sip a cocktail in the back.

Posted by: Cheri at March 20, 2018 06:37 PM (oiNtH)

390 I think that reckless driving is fun and gets boys a place to get that fiery aggression while they work out what it means to be a man out of their system but its not really a test bed for superior driving. But I am the last person to make that call, not being a driver at all. I do not like driving.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2018 06:37 PM (39g3+)

391 Apropos, Movies! channel is showing 'Quicksilver' with Kevin Bacon.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 20, 2018 06:37 PM (oVJmc)

392
Yes, somewhere out there, there is a playbook
that lays out the percentages of population they are and when things
occur. It was on my computer that crashed and I still curse myself for
losing it.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at March 20, 2018 06:28 PM (LZJOv)

I've seen the same thing, have it somewhere in the hundreds of bookmarks on my computer. And the numbers are surprising. Under 1%, they are invisible, kind, and quietly stay out of sight. By the time they hit around 20% the society is breaking down.
France is in the low teens if I recall correctly. And rising.

I'll try to dig it out if somebody wants, but my bookmarks aren't very organized. Can't remember if it got put under "The World is going to Hell", "Stupid Countries Do Stupid Things", or "Are People Really This Dumb?"

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at March 20, 2018 06:37 PM (UsCnO)

393 Lt. Col. Ralph Peters quit Fox News today and sent a scathing email to everyone, denouncing Fox and Trump.

"Fox has degenerated from providing a legitimate and much-needed outlet for conservative voices to a mere propaganda machine for a destructive and ethically ruinous administration."

https://tinyurl.com/ybyrdmjq

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at March 20, 2018 06:37 PM (398bZ)

394 They're like a plague of locusts. The're ok until the population hits a magic number and they go all biblical.


IIRC, it's at about 15 or 20%
Posted by: Lizzy at March 20, 2018 06:36 PM (W+vEI)


That NYPD lawsuit makes memthink we have hit that, or are close.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at March 20, 2018 06:37 PM (LZJOv)

395 370
Cancel the turn signal, HAL.

I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.

HAL, it's been on since we made that left in Albuquerque...

Posted by: Burger Chef at March 20, 2018 06:33 PM (RuIsu)

They have that feature on cars in FL. right now. The 'perpetual right'.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 20, 2018 06:37 PM (o7tuA)

396 men are funny.

Posted by: willow at March 20, 2018 06:38 PM (/ikqi)

397 My truck doesn't even have cruise control, and I am just fine with that.

Posted by: Pug Mahon in the Upside Down at March 20, 2018 06:36 PM (xPJvm)
.........

I lent my '90 F350 to my brother and he complained there was no cup holders.

Posted by: wth at March 20, 2018 06:38 PM (HgMAr)

398 I've been saying this since I first heard about this stupid autonomous car stunt: It would take any computer HOURS to differentiate a mailbox from a deer getting ready to cross, if such image processing even exists. It would not keep track of who arrived at a 4 way stop first, and it certainly wouldn't notice which driver looks like they're going next and if they noticed you. It isn't going to read detour signs and comprehend what they say and change course.

We may gave driverless cars someday. But we will need driverless roads first. "AI" is nothing but a parlor trick.

Posted by: this is racist at March 20, 2018 06:38 PM (o0LKl)

399 Why don't they focus on making a house cleaning robot that makes a mean pina coloda. I can drive just fine and I can read a map.
Posted by: REDACTED at March 20, 2018 06:34 PM (VWsDy)
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Now you're talking my language.

Posted by: bluebell at March 20, 2018 06:38 PM (oMtOd)

400 393
Lt. Col. Ralph Peters quit Fox News today and sent a scathing email to everyone, denouncing Fox and Trump.



"Fox has degenerated from providing a legitimate and much-needed
outlet for conservative voices to a mere propaganda machine for a
destructive and ethically ruinous administration."



https://tinyurl.com/ybyrdmjq

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at March 20, 2018 06:37 PM (398bZ)

Good bye Ralph, leave your ID card and key card with the front desk, then move quickly through the door so it doesn't hit you in your unqualified ass.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared, Americans don't Serf at March 20, 2018 06:40 PM (DxWUs)

401 Nice try. But I have seen no study that proves reckless driving = better drivers.



But good attempt. I can see how a person could try and make that argument.





Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at March 20, 2018 06:36 PM (LZJOv)

Its true GG! Anecdotal. But more cautious is not always safer.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 20, 2018 06:40 PM (o7tuA)

402 oh darn poor col peters is upset.

wiki sure is Fast .Ralph Peters is a retired United States Army lieutenant colonel and author. Peters appeared frequently as an analyst on Fox News until March 2018 when he resigned, calling the network a propaganda machine for the Trump administration and accused the network of wittingly harming our system of government for profit

ahahaha so was he screaming the last 10 years?

Posted by: willow at March 20, 2018 06:40 PM (/ikqi)

403 396
men are funny.

Posted by: willow at March 20, 2018 06:38 PM (/ikqi)

LMAO.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 20, 2018 06:40 PM (o7tuA)

404 391 Apropos, Movies! channel is showing 'Quicksilver' with Kevin Bacon.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 20, 2018 06:37 PM (oVJmc)



Named after the Quicksilver Messenger Service, which originally named the hippie era band.

Name originally derived from mercury mines near San Jose.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2018 06:40 PM (ujg0T)

405 Eventually, we will use these technologies to help us do better.

But they aren't ready yet. That doesn't mean we stop trying, but not continuously trying to implement the unready would help.

People tend to whipsaw rather than react, that's just the way things are.

People will probably eventually have recognition technology built into their weapons, but trying to implement that with simple circuits and magnets now is kind of crazypants. I mean, not only is it unreliable, but it's hugely controversial.

My hope is that eventually you'll be driving a car around that has the capacity to take you to the hospital if you need it to, but will just keep an eye out for emergencies and not turn you into a mushroom or tattle on you.

Not like Volvo's auto-braking, though. That shit just failed.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 20, 2018 06:40 PM (wB8Tg)

406 I'll try to dig it out if somebody wants, but my bookmarks aren't very organized. Can't remember if it got put under "The World is going to Hell", "Stupid Countries Do Stupid Things", or "Are People Really This Dumb?"

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at March 20, 2018 06:37 PM (UsCnO)


lol
At least you are more organized than me. I don't know why I save so much stuff, because it is so unorganized. And so much is saved to "read later" which never happens.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at March 20, 2018 06:41 PM (LZJOv)

407 I remember being in the back seat of a Volkswagen Beetle when my roommate took a curve way too fast (we'd been out at the club) Damn thing rolled through 2 yards like some crazy beach ball, ended up leaning on a tree. Amazingly none of us were hurt much. Mostly glass cuts from all the glass in the car being smashed out and spraying all over us.

Weirdest thing about that wreck was that we were driving through a lower working class neighborhood, ended up in the front yard of some black family watching tv, they were real nice, invited us in to sit down and wait for the wrecker, and then said "well that's a real bitch, you guys must be bummed, wanna smoke a joint?" Well didn't wanna insult our nice hosts, so me and my roommate, who'd just crawled out of the wrecked car, sat in the living room watching TV and smoking a joint with this very nice older black couple and their kids, who we had never seen before.

That was one of the more surreal nights in my life, but it's not the only one. Times where life plays out more like some kind of strange dream than something you'd think could actually happen.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 20, 2018 06:41 PM (k1TUh)

408 "Teen boys need to rub one out every five minutes".

I haven't asked him, but I hope my son is not doing that while he's driving to school. It's my car he usually uses. I really hope he's not doing that.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 20, 2018 06:41 PM (tpDAe)

409 397 My truck doesn't even have cruise control, and I am just fine with that.

Posted by: Pug Mahon in the Upside Down at March 20, 2018 06:36 PM

My chevy has crank windows, a busted radio, no tailgate and a 900 lb snow plow.

Posted by: REDACTED at March 20, 2018 06:41 PM (VWsDy)

410 I'm most interested in the automated sammich making technology that is being developed.

Posted by: Weasel at March 20, 2018 06:41 PM (MVjcR)

411 I was doing close to 100 in a 55 on the way home from doing a set at open mic comedy club. I was jacked with feel good chemicals, natural. I could not find my insurance or license so I showed the officer my set list written on a cocktail napkin and told him I just crushed it at The Punchline.

He let me go with a warning.

Posted by: Monk at March 20, 2018 06:41 PM (/LX46)

412 You do know that you can get a replica HAL-9000 interface now, right? Hangs on a wall, same-same. Same voice, same negative responses when you tell it to open the bay doors, right? Plus, it has Alexa built right in so it has all of those continuing-to-evolve capabilities.

Posted by: goon at March 20, 2018 06:41 PM (EaQ6/)

413 360 Nope, no interest whatsoever in JohnnyCabs driving around. I will drive myself, it may end up being the last vestige of freedom we are allowed.
Posted by: The Mouse that Roared, Americans don't Serf at March 20, 2018 06:31 PM (DxWUs)


I'm not excusing what he did, but that is exactly what the Unabomber's manifesto is about: The more technology advances, the less freedom and autonomy we have.

It's been mentioned many times on this blog that kids growing up had much more freedom a generation or two ago than they do today.

If you're in a driverless car, you're a passenger and someone or something else is controlling where you're going, your speed, your route, etc.

Posted by: rickl at March 20, 2018 06:42 PM (sdi6R)

414 Obviously the solutions are twofold:

riderless bicycles
personless pedestrians


Robotic cars and trucks will require robotic bikes and robotic pedestrians. The way to be safe is to remove humans from the transport space altogether.

Posted by: Our Societal Planners at March 20, 2018 06:42 PM (EzdLW)

415 He let me go with a warning.

Posted by: Monk at March 20, 2018 06:41 PM (/LX46)

That's great material!

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 20, 2018 06:42 PM (o7tuA)

416 362---Do you disagree with my point that the men wind up being better drivers than women?
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 20, 2018 06:32 PM (MTjB1)
-------------------------------
Depends on what you mean by "better drivers."
Indy 500?

If you are talking about ordinary street/road driving, men are no better and are significantly worse when under age 30.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 20, 2018 06:43 PM (0jtPF)

417
If you are talking about ordinary street/road driving, men are no better and are significantly worse when under age 30.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 20, 2018 06:43 PM (0jtPF)

Oh sure bring age into it...

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 20, 2018 06:43 PM (o7tuA)

418 Car to bob,' i see that IRS said you owe taxes and wants you to check in with them right away.'

Bob' sorry my wife is in the hospital dying.'

Car to bob ' you can explain it to them, my trip sheet this is your ride for the day. goodbye.'

Posted by: willow at March 20, 2018 06:43 PM (/ikqi)

419 402
oh darn poor col peters is upset.



wiki sure is Fast .Ralph Peters is a retired United States Army
lieutenant colonel and author. Peters appeared frequently as an analyst
on Fox News until March 2018 when he resigned, calling the network a
propaganda machine for the Trump administration and accused the network
of wittingly harming our system of government for profit



ahahaha so was he screaming the last 10 years?





Peters was a huge Hillary lover in the campaign. And he lectured FOX viewers about how bad Trump was, while getting paid to do it.

Nice gig if one can get it.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at March 20, 2018 06:44 PM (UsCnO)

420 I hit an Asain woman so hard from the back it should have been a hate crime. She slammed the brakes on a yellow left turn light during lunch hour in the Denevr Tech Area. I was in a rental with no rental insurance. She could not speak English and we exchanged insurance. A horde of Asains circled the wagons to convince me not to call the cops. Then a few days later my insurance company claims she is trying to sue me.
Posted by: Monk at March 20, 2018 06:13 PM (/LX46)

I see your asian woman and i raise you an African American woman. Stomping on the brake on a right turn on red. I hit her so hard it left...no marks in the dirt on her car, or dents, or scratches. Exchanged cards, moved on, got sued for $90K, State Farm told her to go pound sand.

Posted by: Downcast at March 20, 2018 06:45 PM (v2Njf)

421
men are funny.
Posted by: willow at March 20, 2018 06:38 PM



That's not funny!

Posted by: if men were feminists at March 20, 2018 06:45 PM (EzdLW)

422 Why don't they focus on making a house cleaning robot that makes a mean pina coloda. I can drive just fine and I can read a map.
Posted by: REDACTED at March 20, 2018 06:34 PM (VWsDy)
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Now you're talking my language.
Posted by: bluebell at March 20, 2018 06:38 PM (oMtOd)


Yea, I want Rosie from the Jetsons, and Robot from Lost in Space. One to clean house, and one to protect me. And then they can go on date nights together and they won't be alone when I have Paolo over. Bcz I am not doing that sex robot thing. And as a woman I don't have to. Nah-nah-na-na-na.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at March 20, 2018 06:45 PM (LZJOv)

423 Somebody is paying off or blackmailing Ralph Peters. He went leftist in a a number of ways in a short period of time

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 20, 2018 06:45 PM (tpDAe)

424 418
Car to bob,' i see that IRS said you owe taxes and wants you to check in with them right away.'



Bob' sorry my wife is in the hospital dying.'



Car to bob ' you can explain it to them, my trip sheet this is your ride for the day. goodbye.'

Posted by: willow at March 20, 2018 06:43 PM (/ikqi)

Ya know. that scared me. We could go there. Have an unpaid ticket? Your car doesn't start.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 20, 2018 06:45 PM (o7tuA)

425 Driverless cars? I still can't get used to half of the productivity shit at the office. Take email for example... What was wrong with fax machines?

Posted by: Weasel at March 20, 2018 06:45 PM (MVjcR)

426 420 I hit an Asain woman so hard from the back...

Phrasing!

Asian woman's car. Car.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at March 20, 2018 06:46 PM (LZJOv)

427 425
Driverless cars? I still can't get used to half of the productivity
shit at the office. Take email for example... What was wrong with fax
machines?

Posted by: Weasel at March 20, 2018 06:45 PM (MVjcR)

and sending memos by folding it into a paper airplane. that was fun.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 20, 2018 06:46 PM (o7tuA)

428 419 402
oh darn poor col peters is upset.

wiki sure is Fast .Ralph Peters is a retired United States Army lieutenant colonel and author. Peters appeared frequently as an analyst on Fox News until March 2018 when he resigned, calling the network a propaganda machine for the Trump administration and accused the network of wittingly harming our system of government for profit

ahahaha so was he screaming the last 10 years?

Peters was a huge Hillary lover in the campaign. And he lectured FOX viewers about how bad Trump was, while getting paid to do it.

Nice gig if one can get it.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at March 20, 2018 06:44 PM (UsCnO)



Like Sonny the Cuckoo Bird who went coo-koo for Cocoa Puffs, the goo-goo for globalism types just seem to lose it with nation-building visions, never mind how they just don't pan out.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2018 06:46 PM (ujg0T)

429 Weirdest thing about that wreck was that we were
driving through a lower working class neighborhood, ended up in the
front yard of some black family watching tv, they were real nice,
invited us in to sit down and wait for the wrecker, and then said "well
that's a real bitch, you guys must be bummed, wanna smoke a joint?"
Well didn't wanna insult our nice hosts, so me and my roommate, who'd
just crawled out of the wrecked car, sat in the living room watching TV
and smoking a joint with this very nice older black couple and their
kids, who we had never seen before.



That was one of the more surreal nights in my life, but it's not the
only one. Times where life plays out more like some kind of strange
dream than something you'd think could actually happen.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 20, 2018 06:41 PM (k1TUh)


America! God how I love it so!

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at March 20, 2018 06:47 PM (UsCnO)

430 leftcoast, yeah i figured it might have been another like Wesley clark.

Posted by: willow at March 20, 2018 06:47 PM (/ikqi)

431 Bob, yeah i said I'm never getting in that type of car, . ever

blue screen of death?

nope

Posted by: willow at March 20, 2018 06:47 PM (/ikqi)

432 423
Somebody is paying off or blackmailing Ralph Peters. He went leftist in a a number of ways in a short period of time

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 20, 2018 06:45 PM (tpDAe)

He is an unqualified jackass. LtCol with no combat deployments, no leadership billets. Fox is much better off without him.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared, Americans don't Serf at March 20, 2018 06:47 PM (DxWUs)

433 The whole AI thing is also confusing people. It's a bad name. Intelligence means reasoning. We don't have any AIs. We have clever scripts and neural nets which kind of sort of simulate a limited form of learning. They aren't brains.

Our current "AIs" are kind of like retarded cockroaches.

We have a long way to go to get to AI. How long? Not sure. But it's not here now.

Certainly not in the sci-fi way people think.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 20, 2018 06:48 PM (wB8Tg)

434 431
Bob, yeah i said I'm never getting in that type of car, . ever



blue screen of death?



nope

Posted by: willow at March 20, 2018 06:47 PM (/ikqi)

No kidding W. The abuse by government would be epic.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 20, 2018 06:48 PM (o7tuA)

435
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 20, 2018 06:46 PM (o7tuA)
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I miss carbon paper.

Posted by: Weasel at March 20, 2018 06:49 PM (MVjcR)

436 Our current "AIs" are kind of like retarded cockroaches.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 20, 2018 06:48 PM (wB8Tg)

More like stone golems

Posted by: this is racist at March 20, 2018 06:50 PM (o0LKl)

437 i'm a great driver, one ticket my entire life and i drove a while for a living.

so.

Posted by: willow at March 20, 2018 06:50 PM (/ikqi)

438
No kidding W. The abuse by government would be epic.


Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 20, 2018 06:48 PM (o7tuA)


All part of the master plan.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at March 20, 2018 06:51 PM (UsCnO)

439 Sounds like she stepped out into traffic mov

Posted by: Jean at March 20, 2018 06:51 PM (MS0+a)

440 (hate-hate driving now) still no uberdick car for me.

Posted by: willow at March 20, 2018 06:51 PM (/ikqi)

441 If you don't puff poles, you wont ralph peters

Posted by: REDACTED at March 20, 2018 06:51 PM (VWsDy)

442 ask the car who's you master.

lol

Posted by: willow at March 20, 2018 06:51 PM (/ikqi)

443 Posted by: willow at March 20, 2018 06:43 PM (/ikqi)

Yep; I think it would be all to easy for the Government to abuse power with driverless cars-and all kinds of convenient "accidents" could happen.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 20, 2018 06:52 PM (tpDAe)

444 What is the point of flying cars?
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 20, 2018 06:28 PM (lKyWE)


That's a good question. I think it is because we envision it like the Jetsons. Or other Sci-fi movies we have seen. That there will be no traffic and commuting or going anywhere will be a breeze. Of course, there's no basis for that. BUt I've become more and more aware lately of how wired we are subconsciously. Whole other topic.

Posted by: prof disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at March 20, 2018 06:52 PM (LZJOv)

445 He is an unqualified jackass. LtCol with no combat deployments, no leadership billets. Fox is much better off without him.
Posted by: The Mouse

Was he a dentist?

Posted by: Jean at March 20, 2018 06:52 PM (MS0+a)

446 so did anyone say new post?

?

Posted by: willow at March 20, 2018 06:52 PM (/ikqi)

447 Yeah but it's a fluff post. Celebrity vs. celebrity.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 20, 2018 06:53 PM (wB8Tg)

448 merovign, it is, and huuuugs.

Posted by: willow at March 20, 2018 06:54 PM (/ikqi)

449 443
Yep; I think it would be all to easy for the Government to abuse power with driverless cars-and all kinds of convenient "accidents" could happen.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 20, 2018 06:52 PM (tpDAe)


And as others have joked about, you car could drive you to the camps for wrongthink. No boxcars necessary.

Posted by: rickl at March 20, 2018 06:55 PM (sdi6R)

450 {{willow}}

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 20, 2018 06:55 PM (wB8Tg)

451 m a great driver, one ticket my entire life and i drove a while for a living.

so.
Posted by: willow at March




means absolutely nothing except that you do not understand the difference between being a good driver and not breaking the law.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 20, 2018 06:56 PM (MTjB1)

452 I've gotten about a dozen tickets in the last 10 years and beat all of them. Luckily, none were in my resident state of MA, where it is IMPOSSIBLE to beat a ticket. CT is easy, small donation to charity. NY actually has the fairest judges I have ever faced. But DO NOT GET A TICKET IN MA. YOU WILL BE FOUND RESPONSIBLE

Posted by: REDACTED at March 20, 2018 06:56 PM (VWsDy)

453 Depends on what you mean by "better drivers."
Indy 500?

If you are talking about ordinary street/road driving, men are no better and are significantly worse when under age 30.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March




better able to handle the car and make it do what they want. clearly explained above. you seem to be confusing skill with recklessness.

who is a better driver you or your husband?

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 20, 2018 06:59 PM (MTjB1)

454 Depends on what you mean by "better drivers."
Indy 500?

If you are talking about ordinary street/road driving, men are no better and are significantly worse when under age 30.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March




why are there not more woman Indy drivers if women are as good as men?

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 20, 2018 07:00 PM (MTjB1)

455 445
He is an unqualified jackass. LtCol with no combat deployments, no leadership billets. Fox is much better off without him.

Posted by: The Mouse



Was he a dentist?

Posted by: Jean at March 20, 2018 06:52 PM (MS0+a)

Nope, just hidden away in a lot of non-operational positions like West Point. He finished his career on the European Command J2 staff, but his notoriety comes from being an author of military history.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared, Americans don't Serf at March 20, 2018 07:02 PM (DxWUs)

456 Well im storming in here to declare Ace wrong on the internet even though I really need to keep my optic nerves on a batch of meringue cookies.

There was a freaking human in the car, with the usual complement of reflexes, and by report Verdejo does not reveal her slacking off on the job.

Meanwhile the victim us a mentally ill homeless woman who just stepped out, erratically and in a flash, into the street directly in front of the car.

If that was me driving my wagon down the street I think the only difference is that the homeless woman would be flatter.

There are pedestrian accidents that cannot be avoided, because physics.

I suspected what it the case would be the case, based on the half-dozen trash bags on the handlebars. She didn't come between two cars, even. The poor demented woman just dashed in front of the car. I wouldn't be surprised if she was simply lost in her own mental chatter. Ut I also wouldn't be surprised if she did it on purpose.

Posted by: SarahW at March 20, 2018 07:26 PM (Sp1NT)

457 Verdejo = video. I don't even see how autocorrect came up with that one. Stupid predictive software!

Posted by: SarahW at March 20, 2018 07:29 PM (Sp1NT)

458
Will self-driving cars have overlayable personalities?

Like confused old person who always drives 10 mph below the speed limit?

Or clueless driver who leaves their blinker on at all times?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at March 20, 2018 07:34 PM (pNxlR)

459 Obit: Died peacefully of natural causes in a crosswalk on Broadway. He always wanted to get a Mustang. Mustang got him.

Posted by: Burger Chef at March 20, 2018 11:10 PM (RuIsu)

460 Maybe they'll be ready by the time we're tottering on the threshold of geezerhood....

Spam in a Can.

Posted by: Beverly at March 21, 2018 01:44 AM (4v2Mo)

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