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Mattis' Pentagon Goes Rogue, Backs Iran Deal, Opposes Trump
As some people I know complain: It's amazing how a couple of cute nick-names ("Mad Dog," "Warrior Monk") and some memes will insulate someone against a realistic assessment of their agenda.
So here's the Mad Dog in action.On the heels of Secretary of State Rex Tillerson's firing, due to his defiance of President Trump in support of the Iran nuclear deal, rogue Pentagon officials under Secretary of Defense James Mattis are waging their own campaign to keep the deal with the terrorist regime in Tehran. In amazing testimony before the Senate, Gen. Joseph Votel, who serves as the leader of U.S. Central Command, told stunned senators that he, Defense Secretary Mattis, and Joint Chiefs Chairman Joe Dunford all support the nuclear deal. "From my perspective, the JCPOA [Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action] addresses one of the principal threats that we deal with from Iran," Votel said, adding, "So, if the JCPOA goes away, then we will have to have another way to deal with the nuclear weapons program."
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 15, 2018 12:33 PM (VM6ev)
Posted by: Iceman at March 15, 2018 12:33 PM (pAx+1)
defiance of President Trump in support of the Iran nuclear deal, rogue
Pentagon officials under Secretary of Defense James Mattis are waging
their own campaign to keep the deal with the terrorist regime in Tehran.
Fire him too, now. don't wait.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 15, 2018 12:35 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at March 15, 2018 12:35 PM (ezC6J)
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at March 15, 2018 12:36 PM (72PAC)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 15, 2018 12:36 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at March 15, 2018 12:36 PM (E0aX2)
Posted by: Lowfibass at March 15, 2018 12:36 PM (BrqlK)
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 15, 2018 12:36 PM (roQNm)
Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 15, 2018 12:36 PM (hMwEB)
Posted by: Cheri at March 15, 2018 12:36 PM (oiNtH)
Posted by: willow at March 15, 2018 12:36 PM (/ikqi)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 15, 2018 12:37 PM (ptqGC)
But I really want to know ... why are so many people in our Government so Pro-Iran ? I don't believe Obama planted them all ... he didn't have time.
What the Hell is going on ?
Posted by: ScoggDog at March 15, 2018 12:37 PM (fiGNd)
How? Why?
Posted by: Lizzy at March 15, 2018 12:37 PM (W+vEI)
Posted by: Surfperch at March 15, 2018 12:37 PM (MihIm)
Posted by: Jewells45 at March 15, 2018 12:37 PM (zRZaJ)
Posted by: willow at March 15, 2018 12:37 PM (/ikqi)
And we laugh at Ben Rhodes whose qualifications for running the NSA was being a failed screenwriter.
FIRE THEM ALL.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 15, 2018 12:37 PM (VM6ev)
This is stunning.
Posted by: JoeF. at March 15, 2018 12:37 PM (7uYFy)
Who, I wonder, recommended Mattis, Dunford and Tillerson to him in the first place?
Posted by: girldog at March 15, 2018 12:37 PM (g5YYQ)
Posted by: Matt Damon at March 15, 2018 12:37 PM (ymnmz)
Posted by: DeploraBOT at March 15, 2018 12:38 PM (y3aQB)
And what perspective is that? Pretend like they're playing nice until they nuke Tel Aviv? Cause that seems to be the predominant position of most of the world. Head stuck firmly in the sand until the missiles start flying.
Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at March 15, 2018 12:38 PM (Ajsny)
So there's that.
Still, Mattis? What the ever loving hell?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 15, 2018 12:38 PM (ptqGC)
Let Israel show them what's done when a hostile neighbor develops nuclear weapons. (see, Iraqi program under S.Hussein).
Posted by: scott_t at March 15, 2018 12:38 PM (xGZ+b)
Posted by: maddogg at March 15, 2018 12:38 PM (WrQfI)
Posted by: itsatax at March 15, 2018 12:38 PM (/1c+O)
Posted by: Methos at March 15, 2018 12:38 PM (XQvuQ)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 15, 2018 12:38 PM (mpXpK)
I'm really not grasping their premises
Posted by: willow at March 15, 2018 12:38 PM (/ikqi)
Posted by: Iblis at March 15, 2018 12:38 PM (9221z)
Posted by: Matt Damon at March 15, 2018 12:39 PM (ymnmz)
Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 15, 2018 12:39 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: This...is CNN at March 15, 2018 12:39 PM (O5Q3r)
Posted by: itsatax at March 15, 2018 12:38 PM (/1c+O)
Follow the money and the ideology. Still, it doesn't compute that Mattis supports this madness.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 15, 2018 12:39 PM (VM6ev)
Alas.
Just another card-carrying member of the Deep State.
Posted by: JoeF. at March 15, 2018 12:39 PM (7uYFy)
Posted by: Surfperch at March 15, 2018 12:40 PM (MihIm)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 15, 2018 12:40 PM (OLCnA)
Posted by: Under Fire at March 15, 2018 12:40 PM (r9UYA)
Posted by: Concerned Peoples Front at March 15, 2018 12:40 PM (rdl6o)
This is stunning.
Posted by: JoeF.
Definitely a *types *deletes type of thread simply to avoid the ban hammer.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 15, 2018 12:40 PM (f4vam)
Posted by: willow at March 15, 2018 12:40 PM (/ikqi)
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader & Global Rethinker at March 15, 2018 12:40 PM (ITfBP)
Posted by: pep at March 15, 2018 12:40 PM (wW03z)
Fire his ass immediately.
But I really want to know ... why are so many people in our
Government so Pro-Iran ? I don't believe Obama planted them all ... he
didn't have time.
What the Hell is going on ?
Posted by: ScoggDog at March 15, 2018 12:37 PM (fiGNd)
This. What the actual fuck? Iran is arming Hamas with missile technology with the money WE gave them. Thousands of rockets hidden in school, hospitals and apartment buildings aimed at Israel. etc. etc. etc. Thats blood money.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 15, 2018 12:40 PM (70cRb)
They don't think he can fire them all. They are probably right.
Posted by: girldog at March 15, 2018 12:40 PM (g5YYQ)
Posted by: Under Fire at March 15, 2018 12:41 PM (r9UYA)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at March 15, 2018 12:41 PM (AM1GF)
Posted by: willow at March 15, 2018 12:41 PM (/ikqi)
Posted by: pep at March 15, 2018 12:40 PM (wW03z)
This is a very good point. However, I would say that even if he hasn't been thwarting Trump but still supports the deal, that leads to some very concerning questions about his judgement and mindset.
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at March 15, 2018 12:41 PM (72PAC)
There has never been a true outsider elected President before.
To them Trump is a virus and must be contained till he can be vomitted out.
Its time for Trump to go William Tecumseh on all these shitheads.
Posted by: Kreplach at March 15, 2018 12:41 PM (UfMVm)
Posted by: BEN ROTTENBURGER at March 15, 2018 12:42 PM (FTPVM)
I guess I should remember, a lot of these so-called reports are uncredited rumors so they should be taken with a ton of salt.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party
Always. Rule number one.
Posted by: Forgot My Nic at March 15, 2018 12:42 PM (LOgQ4)
My preferred policy no matter who wins the election, just like the founders intended. If you dirty plebs would have just voted for Jeb! like we told you none of this would have happened.
Now excuse me I have to go wash Paolo's fish tank before he wakes up.
Posted by: Bill "Been Cucked" Kristol at March 15, 2018 12:42 PM (5oTIt)
Posted by: Under Fire at March 15, 2018 12:41 PM (r9UYA)
Not entirely his fault. Being an outsider, he had no choice but to trust those on the inside to advise him who to hire.
No that he's a year in, I suspect he will make the corrections himself, having learned quite a bit as to how DC operates.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 15, 2018 12:42 PM (VM6ev)
Posted by: girldog at March 15, 2018 12:37 PM (g5YYQ)
Isn't it obvious?
Posted by: The GOPe at March 15, 2018 12:42 PM (MihIm)
Posted by: JoeF. at March 15, 2018 12:42 PM (7uYFy)
Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 15, 2018 12:42 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 15, 2018 12:43 PM (wjryW)
So far, they actually seem to be abiding by its terms. We never should have struck the deal, but having done it, there's a case to be made we're better off sticking to it than junking it. You want to fire Mattis, Votel and Dunford for believing that?
Tough crowd. Tillerson seems to have actually been working on behind-the-scenes diplomacy to shore up the deal, against his boss' intent. That's a good reason for him to go. But holding an opinion and stating it when asked?
Mattis was pushed out by Obama for being too tough on Iran, by the way.
Posted by: JPS at March 15, 2018 12:43 PM (rc9yf)
No that he's a year in, I suspect he will make the corrections himself, having learned quite a bit as to how DC operates.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 15, 2018 12:42 PM (VM6ev)
This is so true.
Posted by: JoeF. at March 15, 2018 12:43 PM (7uYFy)
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader & Global Rethinker at March 15, 2018 12:43 PM (ITfBP)
The bureaucracy is very risk adverse. They don't like boat rockers making waves. They don't like change. They don't like data that doesn't fit the boxes on their forms. They demand rules to live by and there must be a rule for every contingency.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 15, 2018 12:43 PM (roQNm)
Posted by: Lucius Cornelius Sulla at March 15, 2018 12:44 PM (FTPVM)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 15, 2018 12:38 PM (mpXpK)
Uh, vic...
In amazing testimony before the Senate, Gen. Joseph Votel, who serves as
the leader of U.S. Central Command, told stunned senators that he,
Defense Secretary Mattis, and Joint Chiefs Chairman Joe Dunford all
support the nuclear deal.
Posted by: Methos at March 15, 2018 12:44 PM (XQvuQ)
Posted by: Concerned Peoples Front at March 15, 2018 12:44 PM (rdl6o)
Jesus. Has any other President had to deal with this level of flagrant, open insubordination before?
Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 15, 2018 12:39 PM (NWiLs)
Yeah, Lincoln. I am withholding judgement on Mattis until I see more. Certainly the Pentagon is full of Obama's 8 years malignant influence. Sometimes people disagree even in leadership positions. We lose Mattis, we lose a lot of goodwill from many.
Posted by: quint at March 15, 2018 12:44 PM (n13/j)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 15, 2018 12:44 PM (39g3+)
That seems to me to be what he's doing now. Go ask SoS Tillerson.
Posted by: pep at March 15, 2018 12:44 PM (wW03z)
Oh noes, we'd have to come up with a different way? That sounds like work! Well, I guess we'll just have to stick with this horrible one-sided deal then.
Posted by: bonhomme at March 15, 2018 12:45 PM (iv0p7)
Posted by: Deep State at March 15, 2018 12:45 PM (5oTIt)
Posted by: Chaos! At the White House at March 15, 2018 12:45 PM (V3U1L)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 15, 2018 12:46 PM (Dbv1R)
Like that Army Lt General who gifted us the phrase, "full semi-automatic"?
Posted by: bonhomme at March 15, 2018 12:46 PM (iv0p7)
Here are two examples.
1. His support of green energy in the military.
2. His belief that global warming is a major treat to the U.S.
https://tinyurl.com/y72x2en7
Posted by: William Eaton at March 15, 2018 12:46 PM (MuTTO)
No that he's a year in, I suspect he will make the corrections himself, having learned quite a bit as to how DC operates.
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This. Also, in his business life, when hiring, he doesn't have to take into account trying to pick someone the Senate will confirm.
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at March 15, 2018 12:46 PM (E0aX2)
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at March 15, 2018 12:46 PM (72PAC)
Posted by: Under Fire at March 15, 2018 12:41 PM (r9UYA)
Not entirely his fault. Being an outsider, he had no choice but to trust those on the inside to advise him who to hire.
No that he's a year in, I suspect he will make the corrections himself, having learned quite a bit as to how DC operates.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 15, 2018 12:42 PM (VM6ev)
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The problem is the Senate. He can fire people like clockwork, but what good is it if he can't really replace people.
Posted by: Jackal at March 15, 2018 12:46 PM (HKYMf)
Posted by: Chase at March 15, 2018 12:46 PM (wJj1T)
In what way is the Defense Department involved in the difference facets of the Iran Deal?
Are the leaders expressing an opinion (out of alignment with their boss's for sure), or are they doing concrete things to helping keep the deal in place?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2018 12:47 PM (QZjcq)
Posted by: DR.WTF? at March 15, 2018 12:47 PM (T71PA)
So does this mean theres an opening for me to fill at the Pentagon?
There's Navy Boys there too, right? Do they still get to wear the scarves?
Posted by: Anthony Weiner gyrating in a thong! at March 15, 2018 12:47 PM (5oTIt)
Oh noes, we'd have to come up with a different way? That sounds like work! Well, I guess we'll just have to stick with this horrible one-sided deal then.
Posted by: bonhomme at March 15, 2018 12:45 PM (iv0p7)
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You see, with JCPOA, they can just ignore it.
Posted by: WisRich at March 15, 2018 12:47 PM (G0vdT)
Oh noes, we'd have to come up with a different way? That sounds like work! Well, I guess we'll just have to stick with this horrible one-sided deal then.
Posted by: bonhomme at March 15, 2018 12:45 PM (iv0p7)
It's all such bullshit anyway. TFG gave them brazilians of dollars to find their nuclear weapons and terrorism activities, and put this worthless piece of paper over it.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 15, 2018 12:47 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at March 15, 2018 12:47 PM (wImuK)
the leader of U.S. Central Command, told stunned senators that he,
Defense Secretary Mattis, and Joint Chiefs Chairman Joe Dunford all
support the nuclear deal . . . ." merely indicates dissension, a healthy thing when it comes to forming and carrying out military policy.
If everyone just went along, nodding their heads, as under obama, I would be more worried.
Now if they fail to carry out lawful orders or are working to undermine the administration, that is a different story that I don't see here, yet.
It is a very fine line.
Sounds like just more fodder for an administration in chaos narrative that we should cautiously observe.
Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at March 15, 2018 12:48 PM (Dp6qK)
Posted by: steevy at March 15, 2018 12:48 PM (LiyEm)
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Yeah, it's called a contingency. I guess if you're a bureaucrat you only do one thing at a time. Nice work if you can get it.
Posted by: Concerned Peoples Front at March 15, 2018 12:48 PM (rdl6o)
It's all such bullshit anyway. TFG gave them brazilians of dollars to find their nuclear weapons and terrorism activities, and put this worthless piece of paper over it.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 15, 2018 12:47 PM (NWiLs)
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Where'd Barry go?
I'll take a pile of money for nothing. I got loans, baby.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2018 12:48 PM (QZjcq)
It is not up to the military to make policy.. it is their job to enforce policy.
His statement is nonsense anyway.. yeah.. no shit Sherlock.. if the JCPOA goes away, another formal policy will need to take its place.. But your statement assumes the JCPOA is actually working and that Iran is keeping its end of the bargain..
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 15, 2018 12:48 PM (so+oy)
the leader of U.S. Central Command, told stunned senators that he,
Defense Secretary Mattis, and Joint Chiefs Chairman Joe Dunford all
support the nuclear deal.
Posted by: Methos at March 15, 2018 12:44 PM (XQvuQ)
Is it one of those deals where--being military men--they "support" what is currently the law? What I mean is, the deal hasn't been changed and until it is, they will support was is currently the plan. If the Iran Deal is changed, will they still support the old one---and resign?
Or will they support the new one?
Posted by: JoeF. at March 15, 2018 12:49 PM (7uYFy)
Posted by: Reggie at March 15, 2018 12:49 PM (E0aX2)
the leader of U.S. Central Command, told stunned senators that he,
Defense Secretary Mattis, and Joint Chiefs Chairman Joe Dunford all
support the nuclear deal . . . ." merely indicates dissension, a healthy thing when it comes to forming and carrying out military policy.
If everyone just went along, nodding their heads, as under obama, I would be more worried.
Now if they fail to carry out lawful orders or are working to undermine the administration, that is a different story that I don't see here, yet.
It is a very fine line.
Sounds like just more fodder for an administration in chaos narrative that we should cautiously observe.
Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at March 15, 2018 12:48 PM (Dp6qK)
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Yep. I'll not light my hair on fire just yet.
Posted by: Jackal at March 15, 2018 12:49 PM (HKYMf)
Iran has been pissing on it and even living up to it ridiculously low bar of compliance.
Dont give a shit what Mattiss reputation or accomplishments are if he supports this deal then hes got to go.
But who would Trump get? It seems like they are all infected and compromised.
Posted by: Kreplach at March 15, 2018 12:49 PM (UfMVm)
Posted by: Mrs Brand at March 15, 2018 12:49 PM (4WC+3)
Posted by: LASue at March 15, 2018 12:50 PM (Z48ZB)
Oh noes, we'd have to come up with a different way? That sounds
like work! Well, I guess we'll just have to stick with this horrible
one-sided deal then.
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Isn't developing plans for how to crush our enemies the point of the DoD?
I seem to recall some people thinking it was a big deal that we had one for Great Britain, not too long ago.
Posted by: Methos at March 15, 2018 12:50 PM (XQvuQ)
"So, if the JCPOA goes away, then we will have to have another way to deal with the nuclear weapons program."
I read this as a caution that says, no it's not a great deal, but if we scrap it we either need a new deal or a military option.
Being verbally supportive of the current deal is not the same as thinking it is great. Just that it exists and is better than some of the alternatives.
Remember that military people with actual combat experience are quite frequently the ones really ready to find an alternate to military engagement.
Posted by: RKinRoanoke at March 15, 2018 12:50 PM (e770M)
With the deal in place, there is no danger of Iran ever crossing a red-line that would force a response since the Iranians themselves are the de facto monitors of their own compliance.
Posted by: troyriser at March 15, 2018 12:50 PM (K8f5g)
If Bill Kristol thinks Mattis is wonderful, you know what that means.
https://tinyurl.com/y9z8scft
Posted by: William Eaton at March 15, 2018 12:50 PM (MuTTO)
I've worked with a lot of people from India who are like this even outside a bureaucracy. Every time something went badly, even as simple as an offhanded comment about project status that ended up causing problems, they would want a meeting where we would come up with a guideline and a process.
Posted by: bonhomme at March 15, 2018 12:50 PM (iv0p7)
Posted by: PhilDirt at March 15, 2018 12:50 PM (khuW9)
Posted by: dananjcon at March 15, 2018 12:50 PM (xqfqx)
Posted by: Furious George at March 15, 2018 12:50 PM (9vQJW)
Posted by: Eisenhorn at March 15, 2018 12:51 PM (uGHnY)
"Good enough for us!"
Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 15, 2018 12:51 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: steevy at March 15, 2018 12:51 PM (LiyEm)
the leader of U.S. Central Command, told stunned senators that he,
Defense Secretary Mattis, and Joint Chiefs Chairman Joe Dunford all
support the nuclear deal.
Posted by: Methos at March 15, 2018 12:44 PM (XQvuQ)
Well, if you want to get technical, it's all hearsay except for Votel himself, who no doubt would want to make it sound like he ios not the only one with those views. Leftists alway claim to be part of a huge org.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 15, 2018 12:51 PM (Dbv1R)
Uh, is that really opposition or is it just an acknowledgement of reality? Basically this just looks to me like "Yup, when the Obama deal goes we'll have to figure out some other way to address this."
Posted by: joncelli, nominal Lutheran at March 15, 2018 12:51 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Eisenhorn at March 15, 2018 12:51 PM (uGHnY)
It's about the Islamic Oil Money padding their bank accounts.
Posted by: Hikaru at March 15, 2018 12:52 PM (WDCYi)
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At this point, one can surmise that they hope to have high ranking positions in the worldwide Caliphate.
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at March 15, 2018 12:52 PM (E0aX2)
Iran has been pissing on it and even living up to it ridiculously low bar of compliance.
Dont give a shit what Mattiss reputation or accomplishments are if he supports this deal then hes got to go.
But who would Trump get? It seems like they are all infected and compromised.
Posted by: Kreplach at March 15, 2018 12:49 PM (UfMVm)
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If he is doing things to undermine policy, that's one thing. It's very unclear to me whether he is or not.
It feels like an analogy could be: Mattis says that people who teach evolution in schools should be jailed. Since he has no authority of education policy, it's annoying to hear from him, but doesn't actually affect how he does his actual job.
I'm not sure. It would depend on if the DoD actually has a hand in the Iran Deal and whether the Department is making actual moves that fall out of alignment with the POTUS's wishes.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2018 12:52 PM (QZjcq)
"So, if the JCPOA goes away, then we will have to have another way to deal with the nuclear weapons program."
I read this as a caution that says, no it's not a great deal, but if we scrap it we either need a new deal or a military option.
Being verbally supportive of the current deal is not the same as thinking it is great. Just that it exists and is better than some of the alternatives.
Remember that military people with actual combat experience are quite frequently the ones really ready to find an alternate to military engagement.
Posted by: RKinRoanoke at March 15, 2018 12:50 PM (e770M)
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And that was actually what Tillerson was SUPPOSED to be doing: Getting the Eurotrash to back stronger measures against Iran in exchange for keeping the JCPOA for a bit longer. But Tillerson sandbagged and freelanced, so out he goes...
Posted by: Jackal at March 15, 2018 12:52 PM (HKYMf)
Posted by: steevy at March 15, 2018 12:53 PM (LiyEm)
And I'm here to sing
The president has no doubt
Pack your shit and get the fuck out.
Posted by: TGE Singing telegrams, fuck you no balloons at March 15, 2018 12:53 PM (wjryW)
I'll take a pile of money for nothing. I got loans, baby.
Are you a black person who is willing to claim to have thought about farming?
Posted by: bonhomme at March 15, 2018 12:54 PM (iv0p7)
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Keep flushing the turds, sooner or later you'll find someone that will do the job. Maybe to keep it, maybe because you'll finally wear the senate down with constant confirmation hearings and they'll approve whomever.
Posted by: Methos at March 15, 2018 12:54 PM (XQvuQ)
Posted by: Archer at March 15, 2018 12:54 PM (gbWkA)
Posted by: Hikaru at March 15, 2018 12:54 PM (WDCYi)
Posted by: Furious George
I prefer my enemies dead.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 15, 2018 12:54 PM (f4vam)
I'll take a pile of money for nothing. I got loans, baby.
Are you a black person who is willing to claim to have thought about farming?
Posted by: bonhomme at March 15, 2018 12:54 PM (iv0p7)
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I am pre-op trans-racial and have watched some movies about farming. Does that count?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2018 12:54 PM (QZjcq)
Posted by: steevy at March 15, 2018 12:55 PM (LiyEm)
Bolton for SecDef
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at March 15, 2018 12:47 PM (wImuK)
Nope, nope nope. Mattis should stay. He wasn't directly quoted in this testimony, only that Votel stated that Mattis feels the Iran deal should stay.
Regardless, Mattis can have his opinions. But he will execute the orders given by PDT. Or he would resign.
It isn't like Mattis was actively undermining PDT like Tillerson was.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at March 15, 2018 12:55 PM (jxbfJ)
Posted by: E.T. at March 15, 2018 12:56 PM (nzKWW)
Posted by: geoffb at March 15, 2018 12:56 PM (zOpu5)
I do it myself. On a bad day, a flat tire leaves me paralyzed and unable to function. On a good day I curse a lot, change the flat for the spare, and drive into town and get new tires because the reason for the flat was the tire tread was worn down to the cords.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 15, 2018 12:56 PM (roQNm)
Posted by: Bill Kristolmeth at March 15, 2018 12:56 PM (MihIm)
And we thought PDT was not hiring "yes men." And he didn't.
Posted by: Bobby Ahr at March 15, 2018 12:57 PM (zmZ2x)
Posted by: steevy at March 15, 2018 12:57 PM (LiyEm)
But who would Trump get? It seems like they are all infected and compromised.
Posted by: Kreplach at March 15, 2018 12:49 PM (UfMVm)
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Either find officers fired for no real reason by Obama, or find some younger officers and bump them up the chain.
Posted by: William Eaton at March 15, 2018 12:57 PM (MuTTO)
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader & Global Rethinker at March 15, 2018 12:40 PM (ITfBP)
I've seen the word "coup" thrown around and it's apparently not overblown. The Deep State is running on autopilot and it doesn't matter who we elect. This will not end well.
Posted by: rickl at March 15, 2018 12:57 PM (xjiRE)
Posted by: derp at March 15, 2018 12:57 PM (yZPkU)
Posted by: steevy at March 15, 2018 12:57 PM (LiyEm)
himself, who no doubt would want to make it sound like he ios not the
only one with those views. Leftists alway claim to be part of a huge
org.
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If Votel lied in testimony before congress about this very specific thing, then he needs to be made an example of rather than Mattis, but an example must be made.
Posted by: Methos at March 15, 2018 12:57 PM (XQvuQ)
Posted by: Javems at March 15, 2018 12:57 PM (fEFmM)
Posted by: Under Fire at March 15, 2018 12:57 PM (r9UYA)
Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at March 15, 2018 12:57 PM (HSD2G)
Posted by: steevy at March 15, 2018 12:58 PM (LiyEm)
Tried to warn people, Generals who get that high up in the food chain are Political animals
Posted by: DeploraBOT
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Oh man, I probably wouldn't have gotten past LTC (05) if I had stayed in the Army (active or reserve). I simply didn't play the politics. I remember one Summer, as a first looey, I had it out with my battalion S-3 (major) who was a total a-hole. Thing is, the troops liked me as a platoon leader because: 1) I knew what I was doing; and 2) I didn't suck up.
Look up Colonel Bull Simons for the ultimate example of a guy too good and too unpolitical to make general.
Posted by: SFGoth at March 15, 2018 12:58 PM (dZ756)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2018 12:52 PM (QZjcq)
There's "permissive, institutional civil disobedience," which is a lot more influential than it sounds. At the mid-management level, collection may be de-emphasized; targeting resources redirected to other AORs; people come to realize that designated nation A is no longer "the 'it' target," and analysis on it dries up or goes stale. If this is happening, Iran becomes perceived as tolerable by benign neglect, and senior leadership has as its excuse that "it doesn't appear to be as high a NIPF priority as it once was..."
Or so someone once said.
Posted by: Zod at March 15, 2018 12:58 PM (Bdeb0)
this very specific thing, then he needs to be made an example of rather
than Mattis, but an example must be made.
Posted by: Methos at March 15, 2018 12:57 PM (XQvuQ)
Exactly.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 15, 2018 12:59 PM (Dbv1R)
What the Hell is going on ?
Posted by: ScoggDog at March 15, 2018 12:37 PM (fiGNd)
My personal opinion:
1. Some just hate Israel, and a nuclear Iran looks good to them.
2. the power of all the big corporations around the world who want to do business with Iran.
3. the usual political game of kicking the can down the road for someone else to deal with.
4. Establishment opposition to anything Trump wants, and absolute terror that he will be proved right and succeed at getting a much better deal with Iran than Obama got.
5. The foolish belief that a powerful nuclearized Iran will unit the Middle East or at least keep it under control.
6. Bribes.
Posted by: girldog at March 15, 2018 12:59 PM (g5YYQ)
+++
But the national flag is not compatible with Islam
Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at March 15, 2018 12:59 PM (HSD2G)
Posted by: Archer at March 15, 2018 12:59 PM (gbWkA)
Posted by: Hikaru at March 15, 2018 01:00 PM (WDCYi)
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Another George Soros Harbor Miner
Posted by: DeploraBOT at March 15, 2018 01:00 PM (y3aQB)
Posted by: The Mass Media can EABOD at March 15, 2018 01:00 PM (AUhmQ)
Posted by: WonkishRogue at March 15, 2018 01:00 PM (49nKz)
Guy said he would not deport "Dreamers" in the military after Trump rescinded Obama's EO.
Excuse me? You're defying the commander in chief and harboring illegal aliens.
Posted by: Maritime at March 15, 2018 01:00 PM (lKmt3)
Wasn't Yes, Minister basically a jokey acknowledgment that Mandarins are the real power, not the elected official?
Posted by: bonhomme at March 15, 2018 01:00 PM (iv0p7)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Protect Your Despair with Gloom Guard Polish & Sealer! Only at The Outrage Outlet! at March 15, 2018 01:00 PM (hLRSq)
But I really want to know ... why are so many people in our Government so Pro-Iran ? I don't believe Obama planted them all ... he didn't have time.
What the Hell is going on ?
Posted by: ScoggDog at March 15, 2018 12:37 PM (fiGNd)
Not so much "Pro-Iran" is "Pro-Islam, All Forms of Islam".
Posted by: Hikaru at March 15, 2018 01:01 PM (WDCYi)
Posted by: Zod at March 15, 2018 12:58 PM (Bdeb0)
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Then the question becomes:
Is that happening?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2018 01:01 PM (QZjcq)
Posted by: Archer at March 15, 2018 01:01 PM (gbWkA)
And we thought PDT was not hiring "yes men." And he didn't.
Posted by: Bobby Ahr at March 15, 2018 12:57 PM (zmZ2x)
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The French government should have fired the generals who advocated "Operation Sitzkrieg" in 1930-40.
Now we have Generals offering "Operation Make Iran Rich".
Posted by: William Eaton at March 15, 2018 01:01 PM (MuTTO)
Posted by: Sharkman at March 15, 2018 01:01 PM (dDMQ9)
this very specific thing, then he needs to be made an example of rather than Mattis, but an example must be made.
Posted by: Methos at March 15, 2018 12:57 PM (XQvuQ)
Exactly.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
Heads, pikes, some assembly required.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 15, 2018 01:02 PM (f4vam)
Posted by: rickl at March 15, 2018 12:57 PM (xjiRE)
Even a cursory reading of Roman history confirms this. Emperors came and went (often violently) but the bureaucracy rolled right along, unimpeded.
"The Deep State" is just a fancy phrase for bureaucracy.
Posted by: JoeF. at March 15, 2018 01:02 PM (7uYFy)
Posted by: garrett at March 15, 2018 01:02 PM (14hqO)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2018 01:01 PM (QZjcq)
Maybe.
Posted by: Zod at March 15, 2018 01:02 PM (Bdeb0)
Is there any debating the insanity of the regime?
Posted by: Northernlurker Worldwide Moron Tour at March 15, 2018 01:02 PM (nBr1j)
Posted by: Archer at March 15, 2018 01:01 PM (gbWkA)
He is not of the body! Light his hair on fire!
[Joke. It's a jooooooooooke!]
Posted by: joncelli, nominal Lutheran at March 15, 2018 01:03 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 15, 2018 01:03 PM (70cRb)
Posted by: A White House in Chaos at March 15, 2018 01:03 PM (45Drp)
this very specific thing, then he needs to be made an example of rather than Mattis, but an example must be made.
Posted by: Methos at March 15, 2018 12:57 PM (XQvuQ)
Exactly.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
Heads, pikes, some assembly required.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 15, 2018 01:02 PM (f4vam)
To encourage the others.
Posted by: Count de Monet at March 15, 2018 01:03 PM (QLvwG)
Posted by: Methos at March 15, 2018 01:03 PM (XQvuQ)
Posted by: Sharkman at March 15, 2018 01:01 PM (dDMQ9)
There was some globalist deal cut to hand the world over to Islam, and it was cut long before I was born.
The Islamic Revolution in Iran likely was connected.
Posted by: Hikaru at March 15, 2018 01:04 PM (WDCYi)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2018 01:01 PM (QZjcq)
Maybe.
Posted by: Zod at March 15, 2018 01:02 PM (Bdeb0)
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I'd wait to call for the firing of a SecDef until we got more than maybe.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2018 01:04 PM (QZjcq)
This applies to the Military as well.
Posted by: garrett at March 15, 2018 01:02 PM
What about that woman at the CIA Trump just appointed Director?
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 15, 2018 01:04 PM (roQNm)
Posted by: Zod at March 15, 2018 01:05 PM (Bdeb0)
Posted by: Archer at March 15, 2018 01:05 PM (gbWkA)
Posted by: This Space Intentionally Left Blank at March 15, 2018 01:05 PM (7LV6M)
They see themselves as the Eternals, us as the Brutals, and Muslims as the Exterminators.
Posted by: Hikaru at March 15, 2018 01:05 PM (WDCYi)
Posted by: Apostate at March 15, 2018 01:05 PM (d0ewL)
Posted by: steevy at March 15, 2018 01:05 PM (LiyEm)
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at March 15, 2018 01:05 PM (jjaLl)
There was some globalist deal cut to hand the world over to Islam, and it was cut long before I was born.
The Islamic Revolution in Iran likely was connected.
Posted by: Hikaru at March 15, 2018 01:04 PM (WDCYi)
Oh please. There are all kinds of reasons, but that ain't one.
Posted by: JoeF. at March 15, 2018 01:05 PM (7uYFy)
Posted by: broseidon, semi-official komodo dragon shifter at March 15, 2018 01:06 PM (oZ6kz)
Posted by: Shoey at March 15, 2018 01:06 PM (bBE6d)
Now we have Generals offering "Operation Make Iran Rich".
Posted by: William Eaton at March 15, 2018 01:01 PM (MuTTO)
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Correction meant "1939-40". But seriously what idiot military plan has American companies sell technology to a enemy. The Iran deals is more than missiles and nukes. It is about opening Iran up for trade. It worked out great in China /s, so now lets do the same for Iran.
Too many generals have eyes on lucrative consulting jobs with American companies after they retire. Not saying it is the case here, but many have it is concerning.
Posted by: William Eaton at March 15, 2018 01:06 PM (MuTTO)
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I call BS on Mattis saying this. He might have disagreements with the President behind close doors but he knows how this train operates. POS Gen Votel and the CJSC Gen Dunford however have stated differently in PUBLIC and need to be gone today.
Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at March 15, 2018 01:06 PM (a3tan)
There was some globalist deal cut to hand the world over to Islam, and it was cut long before I was born.
The Islamic Revolution in Iran likely was connected.
Posted by: Hikaru at March 15, 2018 01:04 PM (WDCYi)
Oh please. There are all kinds of reasons, but that ain't one.
Posted by: JoeF. at March 15, 2018 01:05 PM (7uYFy)
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Stability in the region not completely reliant on outside forces is a nice goal.
Iran is probably not the country to do that unless you want stable, in charge of a huge amount of resources uncontested, and dedicated to the destruction of the United States.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2018 01:07 PM (QZjcq)
Posted by: SFGoth at March 15, 2018 12:58 PM (dZ756)
A capable General (or Admiral) should be able to win any game he or she plays, and that includes politics. They're dealing with geopolitical problems at the highest levels. No one says they need to like it, but they need to be good at it.
Posted by: troyriser at March 15, 2018 01:07 PM (K8f5g)
Posted by: Chip Diller at March 15, 2018 01:07 PM (ctuyM)
Posted by: Archer at March 15, 2018 01:05 PM (gbWkA)
A horse will win. This horse will be fast.
Posted by: joncelli, nominal Lutheran at March 15, 2018 01:07 PM (RD7QR)
I'm not an expert on any of this, but even a lot of liberals and eventual NeverTrumper TruCons were saying it was a complete shit sandwich that made zero sense.
Posted by: Maritime at March 15, 2018 01:08 PM (lKmt3)
Posted by: steevy at March 15, 2018 01:08 PM (LiyEm)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at March 15, 2018 01:08 PM (mPeei)
Posted by: T at March 15, 2018 01:09 PM (MmeCn)
******
Years whom, I read Bruce Campbell's autobiography (If Chins Could Kill, which everyone should read because he's funny as hell). In it, he mentions the craziness of all the people in Hollywood and talks about his personal theory that there are spores in Tinseltown that have infected everyone and eaten away their brains.
Whenever this kind f crap comes up, I always think of this. It's like there are spores in DC that infect everyone and eat away their brains. No one goes there and comes out clean. No one. They all end up completely dippy and compromised as hell. It's gotta be the spores.
Posted by: Mandy P. (Not Patinkin), lurking lurker who lurks at March 15, 2018 01:09 PM (Ajsny)
Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at March 15, 2018 01:09 PM (N96yY)
Posted by: Archer at March 15, 2018 01:05 PM (gbWkA)
A horse will win. This horse will be fast.
Posted by: joncelli, nominal Lutheran at March 15, 2018 01:07 PM (RD7QR)
Are you so sure about that?
Posted by: TurboCow at March 15, 2018 01:09 PM (MihIm)
Other than the fact that the guy cited reports to Mattis, how does that demonstrate Mattis agrees with that position? Did I miss something?
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 15, 2018 01:09 PM (i0ykY)
Mattis has always supported the deal and so has CENTCOM. They've made no secret about that and told the president. The context is- what are the alternatives and what exactly should the policy be- you know, since the "deal" is actually still in effect.
This is some assholes who just happen to call themselves "conservative" and have used that banner to stir the pot. Fuck their little contra intellectual outburst with a spork
Posted by: Marcus T at March 15, 2018 01:10 PM (VpIIl)
Posted by: Jackal at March 15, 2018 12:52 PM (HKYMf)
I agree. Seems everyone here new that Tillerson was on thin ice for months if not longer. But the MSM and Rex didn't.
Posted by: RKinRoanoke at March 15, 2018 01:10 PM (e770M)
Posted by: joncelli, nominal Lutheran at March 15, 2018 01:07 PM (RD7QR)
What if the horse identifies as an elephant?
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at March 15, 2018 01:10 PM (72PAC)
I'm not an expert on any of this, but even a lot of liberals and eventual NeverTrumper TruCons were saying it was a complete shit sandwich that made zero sense.
Posted by: Maritime at March 15, 2018 01:08 PM (lKmt3)
Maybe everyone knows it's a shit sandwich, but is unable or unwilling to come up with anything else--or they are fearful of the consequences of ripping up the old deal.
Posted by: JoeF. at March 15, 2018 01:10 PM (7uYFy)
Posted by: Archer at March 15, 2018 01:05 PM (gbWkA)
Of the entries with the shortest odds, it's a 50% chance that one of the top three wins.
Posted by: REDACTED at March 15, 2018 01:10 PM (VWsDy)
I don't know much about Conservative Review, but apparently it is a Mark Levine operation.
Posted by: NCC at March 15, 2018 01:10 PM (MduyG)
Posted by: John Kasich at March 15, 2018 01:10 PM (ctuyM)
F off. Posturing aholes.
Posted by: 13times at March 15, 2018 01:10 PM (K3B2k)
You just reminded me of a HS incident.
There was a very smart girl who was also nice, but a bit off somehow. She got bullied some, but a lot of people were very protective of her too. Anyway, one day a guy literally lit her hair on fire. He got a beat down and suspension(? I think). She had a chunk of hair missing at the back of her head for a while.
Yeah, my HS sucked.
Posted by: bonhomme at March 15, 2018 01:11 PM (iv0p7)
There was some globalist deal cut to hand the world over to Islam, and it was cut long before I was born.
The Islamic Revolution in Iran likely was connected.
Posted by: Hikaru at March 15, 2018 01:04 PM (WDCYi)
Oh please. There are all kinds of reasons, but that ain't one.
Posted by: JoeF. at March 15, 2018 01:05 PM (7uYFy)
Maybe not, but I am curious why virtually all Western leaders are marching in lockstep to hand over their nations to Islam.
Posted by: rickl at March 15, 2018 01:11 PM (xjiRE)
BTW, had Hillary won, this guy was on the fast track to CNO.
Posted by: Gumby at March 15, 2018 01:11 PM (2LelM)
Posted by: steevy at March 15, 2018 01:12 PM (LiyEm)
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at March 15, 2018 01:10 PM (72PAC)
Still doesn't improve its chances to win by a nose.
Posted by: NC Ref at March 15, 2018 01:12 PM (pAx+1)
Posted by: Random Thought Generator at March 15, 2018 01:12 PM (iOKfQ)
Posted by: Schmegma Lord at March 15, 2018 01:12 PM (cQi2N)
Posted by: rickl at March 15, 2018 01:11 PM (xjiRE)
I think it's as simple as tyrants flock together. Doesn't matter what form or words the tyrants use, if you're trying to enforce your will on a whole lot of others, you will find support from other like minded fools.
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at March 15, 2018 01:13 PM (72PAC)
staffing up- and I can't blame him entirely for it, it's a lot
different than hiring for a construction project.... and I give him
credit for seeing that and replacing the worst of them, it's just that
he can't do it wholesale (although I wouldn't mind at all seeing
something like a Night of the Long Knives in the Cabinet Room)
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at March 15, 2018 01:05 PM (jjaLl)
Between the NeverTrumpers and the GOPe (BIRM), no, he did not have an organization ramping up with him during the transition period to take over the Executive Branch. Some of this is to be expected running and winning as an outsider. As long as he continues to act decisively and swiftly to jettison dead wood and undermining opposition, he's doing well in my book.
Posted by: Count de Monet at March 15, 2018 01:13 PM (QLvwG)
Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at March 15, 2018 01:13 PM (N96yY)
Posted by: Gumby at March 15, 2018 01:11 PM (2LelM)
McClellan Syndrome. It was all Lincoln could do to get the man to fight.
Posted by: troyriser at March 15, 2018 01:13 PM (K8f5g)
Here's a though: how about starting off with not giving them nuclear weapons like we did?
Do these people expect to go to Washington and that all this shit is going to be easy?
Fucking get to work, Mother-fuckers, and do what is right no matter how hard it is!
Posted by: Sharkman at March 15, 2018 01:13 PM (dDMQ9)
Posted by: anti semite at March 15, 2018 01:13 PM (VWsDy)
Posted by: joncelli, nominal Lutheran at March 15, 2018 01:07 PM (RD7QR)
What if the horse identifies as an elephant?
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at March 15, 2018 01:10 PM (72PAC)
And this is why I heart the Horde in a sexual way.
Posted by: joncelli, nominal Lutheran at March 15, 2018 01:13 PM (RD7QR)
I can, my friend
Posted by: anti semite at March 15, 2018 01:13 PM (VWsDy)
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Does it rhyme with "A Cadre of Drews"?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2018 01:14 PM (QZjcq)
Posted by: Under Fire at March 15, 2018 01:14 PM (r9UYA)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 15, 2018 01:14 PM (FYqfs)
The simple truth vs. an avalanche of #BurnHims
Posted by: DaveA at March 15, 2018 01:15 PM (FhXTo)
Posted by: RKinRoanoke at March 15, 2018 01:15 PM (e770M)
I don't know much about Conservative Review, but apparently it is a Mark Levine operation.
Posted by: NCC at March 15, 2018 01:10 PM (MduyG)
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So the only really new thing in that article is an officer saying "We'll need a plan b for handling the nukes if the JCPOA gets junked". Heckuva job Levin, heckuva job.
Posted by: Jackal at March 15, 2018 01:15 PM (HKYMf)
Posted by: rickl at March 15, 2018 01:11 PM (xjiRE)
Maybe it just looks like "they want to hand over their nations to Islam", but maybe it's just fear over what would happen--and how they would have to respond--if they bucked certain Islamic nations.
That plus Obama was so pro-Islam that --even though he's gone--they are still afraid to go against his wishes.
Posted by: JoeF. at March 15, 2018 01:15 PM (7uYFy)
swiftly to jettison dead wood and undermining opposition, he's doing
well in my book.
Posted by: Count de Monet at March 15, 2018 01:13 PM (QLvwG)
Agreed. He's got just about everyone but us normals against him, so I just sit back and wish him well. He's been doing fantastic as far as I'm concerned.
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at March 15, 2018 01:15 PM (jjaLl)
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at March 15, 2018 01:10 PM (72PAC)
Saratoga Trunk
Posted by: REDACTED at March 15, 2018 01:15 PM (VWsDy)
Posted by: The Mullahs at March 15, 2018 01:16 PM (MihIm)
I like goat flavored penis and dancing for old men.
Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at March 15, 2018 01:16 PM (14hqO)
Posted by: concrete girl at March 15, 2018 01:17 PM (SJBL7)
Posted by: Off the reservation at March 15, 2018 01:17 PM (vWMNq)
Do these people expect to go to Washington and that all this shit is going to be easy?
I'm afraid the answer to that is "yes".
Posted by: Captain Hate at March 15, 2018 01:17 PM (y7DUB)
I like goat flavored penis and dancing for old men.
Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at March 15, 2018 01:16 PM (14hqO)
Can confirm.
Posted by: Barry's Mentors at March 15, 2018 01:17 PM (RD7QR)
You just reminded me of a HS incident.
There was a very smart girl who was also nice, but a bit off somehow. She got bullied some, but a lot of people were very protective of her too. Anyway, one day a guy literally lit her hair on fire. He got a beat down and suspension(? I think). She had a chunk of hair missing at the back of her head for a while.
Yeah, my HS sucked.
Posted by: bonhomme at March 15, 2018 01:11 PM (iv0p7)
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Christ! What a scumbag.
Posted by: Jackal at March 15, 2018 01:17 PM (HKYMf)
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at March 15, 2018 01:18 PM (wKykO)
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at March 15, 2018 01:10 PM
A horse is a horse, of course, of course.
Posted by: Mr. Ed at March 15, 2018 01:18 PM (ctuyM)
OBLAM-o sure was great for the Navy. 3/4 of maintenance wasn't even happening on time. Often, scheduled maintenance happened months after it should have.
They even had ships running aground and into other ships.
Posted by: bonhomme at March 15, 2018 01:18 PM (iv0p7)
Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at March 15, 2018 01:16 PM (14hqO)
So all I got to do is screw a goat and I'm in ??
Posted by: SHEP at March 15, 2018 01:18 PM (VWsDy)
In other words, we can all agree it was an enormous blunder, but we can't rewrite the past.
Posted by: Maritime at March 15, 2018 01:18 PM (lKmt3)
If that was CNN we would be rightly flaming them.
Posted by: Marcus T at March 15, 2018 01:18 PM (VpIIl)
If Votel's ass isn't kicked by the end of the day, you can safely assume that Mattis agrees with him.
Because if you ever put words like that in my mouth, I'll kick your ass live on the 6:00 news.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 15, 2018 01:19 PM (FYqfs)
>>Can anyone really make a plausible case for the Iran deal?
I like goat flavored penis and dancing for old men.
Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at March 15, 2018 01:16 PM (14hqO)
Fair, fair.
Posted by: muckrack at March 15, 2018 01:19 PM (9J46Z)
Posted by: steevy at March 15, 2018 01:19 PM (LiyEm)
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Doesn't your headline presuppose that they do not already have another way to deal with the nuclear weapons program in mind.
Posted by: simplemind at March 15, 2018 01:19 PM (I/gfW)
Posted by: Under Fire at March 15, 2018 01:19 PM (r9UYA)
sigh.
Posted by: Anachronda at March 15, 2018 01:19 PM (v3pYe)
Posted by: SHEP at March 15, 2018 01:18 PM
A little-known alternative is the alternative.
Posted by: Village Imam at March 15, 2018 01:20 PM (ctuyM)
Brilliant!
Posted by: Under Fire at March 15, 2018 01:19 PM (r9UYA)
Fuck him with an Iranian ICBM.
Posted by: Hikaru at March 15, 2018 01:20 PM (WDCYi)
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/291354/
Posted by: steevy at March 15, 2018 01:19 PM (LiyEm)
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Wait...I remember Obama assuring the world that this deal would prevent nuclear proliferation.
Weird...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2018 01:20 PM (QZjcq)
Posted by: Happy Cat Mattis at March 15, 2018 01:20 PM (/qEW2)
Posted by: Soona at March 15, 2018 01:20 PM (Fs5vw)
7. We need time to put warriors in leadership positions and get the entire military in shape to break things and kill people.
Mattis is playing for time. Obama and his evil minions did a lot of hidden damage to our power. Used too soon, we could fail, and the US military is the strategic reserve force of Western Civilization.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at March 15, 2018 01:21 PM (hyuyC)
No problem. I believe that, in haste, many of us have referenced old items that have since lost their relevance or veracity. In the blitz of world events, and the avalanche of news, it's easy to do.
The fact that you slog your way through mounds of detritus and produce cogent observations is pretty damned amazing.
At any rate, to earnestly correct oneself is a sign of character. You have it.
Posted by: Mike Hammer,, etc., etc. at March 15, 2018 01:21 PM (FJXGr)
Posted by: steevy at March 15, 2018 01:21 PM (LiyEm)
Posted by: DaveA at March 15, 2018 01:21 PM (FhXTo)
Posted by: Josef Stalin at March 15, 2018 01:21 PM (RVjrl)
Republican Lawmaker Pushes Tax-Per-Mile To Replace Gas Tax -PJM
Brilliant!
Posted by: Under Fire at March 15, 2018 01:19 PM (r9UYA)
GPS log in every pot.
Posted by: muckrack at March 15, 2018 01:21 PM (9J46Z)
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/291354/
Posted by: steevy at March 15, 2018 01:19 PM (LiyEm)
Well, that'll get the imam out of the well.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at March 15, 2018 01:21 PM (RD7QR)
48 hr fake news rule. I will wait before condemnation.
Posted by: Soona at March 15, 2018 01:20 PM (Fs5vw)
This.
Posted by: Matt Damon at March 15, 2018 01:21 PM (ymnmz)
Republican Lawmaker Pushes Tax-Per-Mile To Replace Gas Tax -PJM
Brilliant!
Posted by: Under Fire at March 15, 2018 01:19 PM (r9UYA)
GPS log in every pot.
Posted by: muckrack at March 15, 2018 01:21 PM (9J46Z)
Well, in our pot, anyway.
Posted by: Bob from the NSA at March 15, 2018 01:21 PM (RD7QR)
Weird...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 15, 2018 01:20 PM (QZjcq)
With each passing deal, my contempt for Obama and his handlers grows exponentially higher. And he had 8 years to salt his minions into places where they can do damage for years to come.
Posted by: JoeF. at March 15, 2018 01:22 PM (7uYFy)
Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at March 15, 2018 01:22 PM (N96yY)
I apologize for being abrupt earlier this week. I had a lot of things fall on me Monday and, well, I was not thinking clearly. Frankly I did not see any way out. Fortunately a little of time got me to pause and I am getting direct help a bit later today. I will check in with more when I get my head clear.
Bluebell and CBD - thank you.
Ace, you have a very good community here. Be proud.
More later.
J
Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at March 15, 2018 01:22 PM (vjSOo)
Think NK TWO Electric Bugaloo.
Posted by: simplemind at March 15, 2018 01:22 PM (cJ51O)
241 Saudi Crown Prince:If Iran gets nukes,we're next
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/291354/
Posted by: steevy at March 15, 2018 01:19 PM (LiyEm)
Well, that'll get the imam out of the well.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at March 15, 2018 01:21 PM (RD7QR)
Barack Obama....the architect of the Mideastern nuclear arms race.
Noble Prize!
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at March 15, 2018 01:23 PM (ymnmz)
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Doesn't your headline presuppose that they do not already have another way to deal with the nuclear weapons program in mind.
Posted by: simplemind at March 15, 2018 01:19 PM (I/gfW)
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If I had to read between the lines, it's a statement that their nuke program has progressed to such an extent because of the JCPOA that the only way they have of dealing with it right now is more...kinetic measures.
Posted by: Jackal at March 15, 2018 01:23 PM (HKYMf)
It really isn't about the Iran deal as much as it is about keeping the status quo rather than embarking on a risky venture into the unknown future.
The things Obama has done will be with us for generations.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 15, 2018 01:23 PM (roQNm)
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/291354/
Posted by: steevy at March 15, 2018 01:19 PM (LiyEm)
Well, that'll get the imam out of the well.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at March 15, 2018 01:21 PM (RD7QR)
He's not in the well anymore.
We elected the fucker in 2008.
Posted by: Hikaru at March 15, 2018 01:23 PM (WDCYi)
Just sayin'.
Posted by: John Kasich at March 15, 2018 01:10 PM
The Paolo suggests taking the bucket and the spade and going off to play while he gets the job done.
Posted by: Paolo at March 15, 2018 01:24 PM (p+Wdc)
Posted by: Happy Cat Mattis at March 15, 2018 01:24 PM (/qEW2)
Posted by: William Eaton at March 15, 2018 01:24 PM (MuTTO)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 15, 2018 01:24 PM (FYqfs)
I apologize for being abrupt earlier this week. I had a lot of things fall on me Monday and, well, I was not thinking clearly. Frankly I did not see any way out. Fortunately a little of time got me to pause and I am getting direct help a bit later today. I will check in with more when I get my head clear.
Bluebell and CBD - thank you.
Ace, you have a very good community here. Be proud.
More later.
J
Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at March 15, 2018 01:22 PM (vjSOo)
Good to hear from you. Willingness to get help is a sign of strength. Keep us up to date and via con dios.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at March 15, 2018 01:24 PM (RD7QR)
Wonder how many of these assholes have firearms? What a fucking piece of shit.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 15, 2018 01:24 PM (wjryW)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Those deputies listened to the kids screaming as they were shot at March 15, 2018 01:25 PM (zuUwB)
The US remains party to the Iran agreement. We've decertified their compliance, meaning they're not upholding their end of the deal. Meanwhile, we remain in the deal through sanctions waiver. And Trump just re-wavied sanctions barely a month ago.
The policy of the Trump administration is that the deal is unacceptable. The President charged Tillerson with getting Europe in for negotiating something better. He failed. He was fired.
Mattis, Votel, and the DoD are all reiterating the government's current policy- a policy of which the President has had repeated opportunities to back away from, and still hasn't. Further, they are preparing for the alternate option.
Do you expect them to come before Congress and instead say that their policy is that we're going to bomb the shit out of Tehran with the President still having his toes in the deal's water?
You want to hit Iran, fine. Get the President to get off the shitter with regards to the deal, change our stated policy, and get a plan authored to do it within his Constitutional and statutory powers, or get Congress to declare war. Then you'll hear what you want.
But somebody has to do something first. Helps to actually bitch at the right individual, rather than blaming anyone else.
Posted by: Fringe at March 15, 2018 01:25 PM (yyhsJ)
Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at March 15, 2018 01:25 PM (nBr1j)
Posted by: steevy at March 15, 2018 01:21 PM (LiyEm)
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This. The ARVN was strong enough at that point that acting as their Air Force probably would have made the NVA back off. We had at least one carrier in the area and an Air Force base in the Philipines.
Posted by: Jackal at March 15, 2018 01:25 PM (HKYMf)
Posted by: Jeff Hawkins at March 15, 2018 01:26 PM (DuTGc)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 15, 2018 01:26 PM (wjryW)
We were worried.
OK, OK. We were really seeing who could get your stuff and how we were going to parcel it out.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at March 15, 2018 01:26 PM (hyuyC)
Glad everything's OK. Keep us posted. You're in our prayers.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 15, 2018 01:26 PM (p+Wdc)
funny how so much changed on Jan 20, 2017.
Posted by: redc1c4 at March 15, 2018 01:27 PM (uSW8H)
We were worried about you, man.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 15, 2018 01:27 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: steevy
________
I definitely put the fault squarely on the Democrats, Ford tried to get Congressional support.
They wanted the US to appear humiliated to help them in their upcoming election.
Nixon had Vietnam won imo, had Watergate never happened, it would have been divided up like Korea and the humanitarian disaster after we left never would have happened.
Posted by: Maritime at March 15, 2018 01:27 PM (lKmt3)
No problem. I believe that, in haste, many of us have referenced old items that have since lost their relevance or veracity. In the blitz of world events, and the avalanche of news, it's easy to do.
The fact that you slog your way through mounds of detritus and produce cogent observations is pretty damned amazing.
At any rate, to earnestly correct oneself is a sign of character. You have it.
Posted by: Mike Hammer,, etc., etc. at March 15, 2018 01:21 PM (FJXGr)
Didn't someone on Hannity bring up the article anyway, which makes the underlying facts pertinent? Anyway, JJ's integrity in putting the early thread together is top notch.
Posted by: Captain Hate at March 15, 2018 01:28 PM (y7DUB)
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Yes. It only requires patience, support, and understanding. I see, one day, our President and the Supreme Leader of Iran standing proudly beside each other as they give a joint address to Congress.
Posted by: Barack Obama, plagiarizing Lord Halifax at March 15, 2018 01:28 PM (ZpfqO)
We were worried.
OK, OK. We were really seeing who could get your stuff and how we were going to parcel it out.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at March 15, 2018 01:26 PM (hyuyC)
I still want the guns.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at March 15, 2018 01:28 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at March 15, 2018 01:28 PM (Dp6qK)
Posted by: Captain Hate at March 15, 2018 01:28 PM (y7DUB)
Yup. Dude's a real mensch.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 15, 2018 01:28 PM (NWiLs)
Hello everyone.
I apologize for being abrupt earlier this week. I had a lot of
things fall on me Monday and, well, I was not thinking clearly. Frankly I
did not see any way out. Fortunately a little of time got me to pause
and I am getting direct help a bit later today. I will check in with
more when I get my head clear.
Bluebell and CBD - thank you.
Ace, you have a very good community here. Be proud.
More later.
J
Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at March 15, 2018 01:22 PM (vjSOo)
What a great place. the medical advice to Heidi for my profusely bleeding skull notwithstanding.You know who you are.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 15, 2018 01:28 PM (70cRb)
Posted by: Fritz at March 15, 2018 01:29 PM (bJ0w+)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 15, 2018 01:28 PM (70cRb)
What are you bitching about? You're still here ain't ya?
Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 15, 2018 01:29 PM (NWiLs)
Kompromat, baby.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - help us, pixy misa, you're our only hope! at March 15, 2018 01:29 PM (e11dj)
+++
The Koran is very specific regarding jizya
Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at March 15, 2018 01:29 PM (HSD2G)
Posted by: fightwinger at March 15, 2018 01:29 PM (AMKhy)
Posted by: steevy
________
I definitely put the fault squarely on the Democrats, Ford tried to get Congressional support.
They wanted the US to appear humiliated to help them in their upcoming election.
Nixon had Vietnam won imo, had Watergate never happened, it would have been divided up like Korea and the humanitarian disaster after we left never would have happened.
Posted by: Maritime at March 15, 2018 01:27 PM (lKmt3)
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Thats one of the ironies of the war: "Vietnamization" actually worked. I'm willing to bet the plan was to essentially act as the South's Air Force if the North got sporty again like they did in '75. The fucking Dims gave it all away and a bloodbath ensued in SE Asia.
Posted by: Jackal at March 15, 2018 01:30 PM (HKYMf)
Posted by: Jmel at March 15, 2018 01:30 PM (6v1ht)
OK, OK. We were really seeing who could get your stuff and how we were going to parcel it out.
Posted by: NaCly Dog
Does this mean I have to give the crowbar & skilsaw back?
Posted by: rickb223 at March 15, 2018 01:30 PM (FYqfs)
What a great place. the medical advice to Heidi for my profusely bleeding skull notwithstanding.You know who you are.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 15, 2018 01:28 PM (70cRb)
What are you bitching about? You're still here ain't ya?
Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 15, 2018 01:29 PM (NWiLs)
Oh I forgot. And the wonderful bedside manner.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 15, 2018 01:30 PM (70cRb)
Posted by: x at March 15, 2018 01:31 PM (nFwvY)
Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 15, 2018 01:29 PM (NWiLs)
Oh I forgot. And the wonderful bedside manner.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 15, 2018 01:30 PM (70cRb)
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Break's over, get back to work!
Posted by: Boots at March 15, 2018 01:31 PM (EBwPV)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at March 15, 2018 01:31 PM (hyuyC)
Posted by: BluesFish at March 15, 2018 01:32 PM (mx99O)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 15, 2018 01:32 PM (IflZ6)
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Ding Ding Ding.
(Rods from God)
And if you get nukes, SA just might wind up with some previously owned but good as new Nukes themselves.
Posted by: simplemind at March 15, 2018 01:32 PM (VW5Yz)
We're glad you are still with us. It's so awkward to search bodies.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at March 15, 2018 01:31 PM (hyuyC)
And NGU keeps snapping up all the gold teeth before we even have a chance.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 15, 2018 01:33 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: REDACTED at March 15, 2018 01:33 PM (VWsDy)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at March 15, 2018 01:31 PM
Only when they're mostly dead. When they're all dead, well, you know what to do...
Posted by: Miracle Max at March 15, 2018 01:33 PM (p+Wdc)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at March 15, 2018 01:33 PM (fA1SL)
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They also go for the intern poon. At least, that's what some have told me.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at March 15, 2018 01:33 PM (vg8iE)
Posted by: x at March 15, 2018 01:31 PM (nFwvY)
Notel.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at March 15, 2018 01:34 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Northernlurker
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Political philosophy outweighs good sense. The truth is that the Left in country have been so protected from themselves and their philosophies that they believe that their perspectives and ideals have worked and are good. They have been insulated from the costs.
Posted by: Mike Hammer,, etc., etc. at March 15, 2018 01:34 PM (9tO1t)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob
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Hope you saved some, you can make a nice gravy with human blood. But you knew that already didn't you . . .
Posted by: Maria Abramovic at March 15, 2018 01:34 PM (pklk2)
Posted by: x at March 15, 2018 01:31 PM (nFwvY)
Notel.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at March 15, 2018 01:34 PM (RD7QR)
Ro-Tel
Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 15, 2018 01:34 PM (NWiLs)
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Ding Ding Ding.
(Rods from God)
And if you get nukes, SA just might wind up with some previously owned but good as new Nukes themselves.
Posted by: simplemind at March 15, 2018 01:32 PM (VW5Yz)
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Well, I wasn't getting at that specifically. More of a general "bomb the everloving shit outta anything related to their nuke progam" gist I was going for.
Posted by: Jackal at March 15, 2018 01:34 PM (HKYMf)
Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at March 15, 2018 01:34 PM (N96yY)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 15, 2018 01:34 PM (70cRb)
'Conservative" is now coming to mean lying, contra intellectual jackals who are going after the military
Posted by: Marcus T at March 15, 2018 01:34 PM (VpIIl)
He may support the status quo with Iran until NK is settled.
Posted by: anon2 at March 15, 2018 01:35 PM (v6UKb)
Posted by: Lucius Cornelius Sulla at March 15, 2018
*
*
When do the proscriptions begin?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at March 15, 2018 01:35 PM (PLO14)
Posted by: x at March 15, 2018 01:31 PM (nFwvY)
Do tell
Posted by: REDACTED at March 15, 2018 01:35 PM (VWsDy)
--
This sounds a lot like "we have to keep Obamacare because it's the only way people are getting insurance now!"
Posted by: Joe, living mobile at March 15, 2018 01:35 PM (mk7Bj)
Posted by: x at March 15, 2018 01:31 PM (nFwvY)
Notel.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at March 15, 2018 01:34 PM (RD7QR)
Ro-Tel
Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 15, 2018 01:34 PM (NWiLs)
Gotohell
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at March 15, 2018 01:35 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Off the reservation at March 15, 2018 01:35 PM (vWMNq)
You all are so deplorable.
My kind of people.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at March 15, 2018 01:35 PM (hyuyC)
Posted by: bicentennialguy
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The Pages.
Posted by: Gerry Studds (D), Gary Condit (D), et al at March 15, 2018 01:36 PM (9tO1t)
(imaging reverb and dramatic intonation)
remember Ronnie Raygun's Star Wars lasers?
Ya, like that.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 15, 2018 01:36 PM (roQNm)
Posted by: Lucius Cornelius Sulla at March 15, 2018
*
*
When do the proscriptions begin?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at March 15, 2018 01:35 PM (PLO14)
Still rounding up lions.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at March 15, 2018 01:36 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Fringe at March 15, 2018 01:25 PM (yyhsJ)
I don't want us to hit anybody. My son's a young infantry NCO and the very last thing I want is for him to pull another combat tour. He was cool with it. I wasn't. Not at all. Every day of that eight months and two weeks was filled with worry and dread. I'd see gold stars on cars and just shiver.
Of course, it's about him, the soldier's life he chose, and he loves it. I don't.
Posted by: troyriser at March 15, 2018 01:36 PM (K8f5g)
7. We need time to put warriors in leadership positions and get the entire military in shape to break things and kill people.
Mattis is playing for time. Obama and his evil minions did a lot of hidden damage to our power. Used too soon, we could fail, and the US military is the strategic reserve force of Western Civilization.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at March 15, 2018 01:21 PM (hyuyC)
He was asking about the widespread support for Iran. I don't think the Democrats, business lobbyists etc. are playing for time to build up the military. But that may or may not be what is motivating Mattis.
Posted by: girldog at March 15, 2018 01:36 PM (g5YYQ)
Posted by: Insomniac - Nowhere Man at March 15, 2018 01:37 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at March 15, 2018 01:37 PM (fA1SL)
Posted by: Lucius Cornelius Sulla at March 15, 2018
*
*
When do the proscriptions begin?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at March 15, 2018 01:35 PM
After the Feats of Strength, but before the Airing of the Grievances.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 15, 2018 01:37 PM (p+Wdc)
When do the proscriptions begin?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius
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Make mine Xanax, thank you.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 15, 2018 01:37 PM (9tO1t)
Posted by: President Trump at March 15, 2018 01:37 PM (UBzPO)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - help us, pixy misa, you're our only hope! at March 15, 2018 01:38 PM (e11dj)
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Great to see you & great that you are getting help, I had my Oldest & Best Friend, Just like a brother to me kill himself & it still torments me. Trying to think if I missed the signs. Don't do that to family & friends! I am sure they love you
Posted by: DeploraBOT at March 15, 2018 01:39 PM (y3aQB)
also, PDT has to be one of the worst hiring managers I've ever seen.
Posted by: Under Fire at March 15, 2018 12:41 PM (r9UYA)
"I'll hire only the best people. Top people"
Posted by: President Trump at March 15, 2018 01:39 PM (UBzPO)
(imaging reverb and dramatic intonation)
remember Ronnie Raygun's Star Wars lasers?
Ya, like that.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse
Odin.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 15, 2018 01:39 PM (FYqfs)
Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at March 15, 2018 01:39 PM (HSD2G)
======
Ding Ding Ding.
(Rods from God)
And if you get nukes, SA just might wind up with some previously owned but good as new Nukes themselves.
Posted by: simplemind at March 15, 2018 01:32 PM (VW5Yz)
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Well, I wasn't getting at that specifically. More of a general "bomb the everloving shit outta anything related to their nuke progam" gist I was going for.
Posted by: Jackal at March 15, 2018 01:34 PM (HKYMf)
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Oh, and "turn the refinery and export terminal at Bandar Abbas into oily, burning, mess of pipes that'll take decades to get operational again +/- wiping out anything of naval use as well" kind of a gist, too.
Posted by: Jackal at March 15, 2018 01:39 PM (HKYMf)
I apologize for being abrupt earlier this week. I had a lot of things fall on me Monday and, well, I was not thinking clearly. Frankly I did not see any way out. Fortunately a little of time got me to pause and I am getting direct help a bit later today. I will check in with more when I get my head clear.
Bluebell and CBD - thank you.
Ace, you have a very good community here. Be proud.
More later.
J
Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks
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WitchDoktor! Good to see ya and thanks for the update...
Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at March 15, 2018 01:39 PM (a3tan)
Posted by: Fringe at March 15, 2018 01:25 PM (yyhsJ)
Uh... no.... what we expect out of a GENERAL of the US Armed Forces, is to say 'its not up to me, that is the President's call, and what I say in private to the President, is just that... Private'.
When a subordinate to the Commander in Chief, is telling Congress his POLICY recommendations... then he is outside his purview....
Posted by: Don Q. at March 15, 2018 01:39 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Tim Murphy, boy that PA18 was a humdinger at March 15, 2018 01:40 PM (wjryW)
Maybe that's the point.
Short term our interests are in keeping the Mullahs off balance, unsure, unfocused.
Mattis is a patriot and that I'm sure of. That alone is enough to lead me to believe that there are things going on here that can't be processed without more information.
Information that none of us will be privy to until after the Iranian Regime is dead and buried.
Posted by: WonkishRogue at March 15, 2018 01:40 PM (BRpqW)
Posted by: Jewells45 at March 15, 2018 01:40 PM (zRZaJ)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 15, 2018 01:41 PM (70cRb)
"California has its first illegal alien in state office, after Senate President pro Tem Kevin de León (D-Los Angeles) appointed Lizbeth Mateo to the California Student Opportunity and Access Program Project Grant Advisory Committee.
Mateo, an attorney, was born in Mexico and came to the U.S. illegally at the age of 14 with her parents, who are also illegal aliens"
So please tell me why AG Sessions can't send US Marshalls to arrest the lot of them and send them home, just like BJ Clinton did with Elian Gonzales?
Posted by: Boots at March 15, 2018 01:41 PM (EBwPV)
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at March 15, 2018 01:42 PM (ATVNj)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 15, 2018 01:41 PM (70cRb)
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They're undulled by time, that's how.
Posted by: Jackal at March 15, 2018 01:42 PM (HKYMf)
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WATCH: Surveillance Video Allegedly Shows Broward Deputy Fail to Enter Parkland School, Confront Shooter | Breitbart
Posted by: DeploraBOT at March 15, 2018 01:42 PM (y3aQB)
Someone in the Pentagon tried to do an end around Rumsfeld over the Crusader SPH with a memo. He at least was man enough to take responsibility and resign.
This idiot will be shown the door.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at March 15, 2018 01:42 PM (ePaIG)
Boy howdy, did they ever.
As someone pointed out above, it'll be at least a generation before we find out everything they effed up, and even longer to fix it.
If that's even gonna be an option ...
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - help us, pixy misa, you're our only hope! at March 15, 2018 01:42 PM (e11dj)
Another thing bothersome here: who is bringing military men in front of Congress and basically asking them whether they support the directions of their immediate commander, or the Commander in Chief? Whoever did this put those military people in an impossible position, and they did it to embarrass Trump.
I think Mattis has to go, and the CiC has to lay down the Law on who can brief Congress and what they can answer to. It does not matter whether they support one policy or another, the questions asked of them should be confined to fact and data.
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at March 15, 2018 01:43 PM (SXaOr)
Posted by: troyriser
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You know, I never really appreciated the worry that my widowed mother must have endured while I was in the service. I gave it no thought at all. In fairness, my hands were full.
I still have letters that she wrote, advising me to me to take care of myself. When I think about the letters that I did not write expressing my concern for her well-being, I am ashamed. Youths can be unintentionally callous towards their seniors.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 15, 2018 01:43 PM (w1zJX)
New York Post
@nypost
EXCLUSIVE: Matt Damon is moving his family to Australia in part because he's fed up with Trump
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at March 15, 2018 01:43 PM (+y/Ru)
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/291376/
Posted by: steevy at March 15, 2018 01:44 PM (LiyEm)
They're undulled by time, that's how.
Posted by: Jackal at March 15, 2018 01:42 PM (HKYMf)
....and shes sharpening them right now.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 15, 2018 01:44 PM (70cRb)
Posted by: Huck Follywood, some guy on the internet at March 15, 2018 01:44 PM (rBnYq)
Posted by: Marcus T at March 15, 2018 01:45 PM (VpIIl)
@nypost
EXCLUSIVE: Matt Damon is moving his family to Australia in part because he's fed up with Trump
Australia has a movie industry of their own. Damon might be looking for work.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 15, 2018 01:45 PM (roQNm)
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Truman put up with a lot before he fired him.
Not sure Mad Dog has the same public esteem as MacArthur.
Posted by: SH at March 15, 2018 01:45 PM (sX1BW)
I hope it's just misdirection because Mattis has to know Iran is not complying with the treaty because they are basically throwing it in our face with their missile testing.
As an aside , I hate thinking about Iran because it makes me think of the deplorable actions by our Navy personnel after they were captured. I can't let that go.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 15, 2018 01:45 PM (IflZ6)
They're undulled by time, that's how.
Posted by: Jackal at March 15, 2018 01:42 PM (HKYMf)
....and shes sharpening them right now.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 15, 2018 01:44 PM (70cRb)
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Be careful with those wounds. Kitten claws aren't known for their cleanliness.
Posted by: Jackal at March 15, 2018 01:45 PM (HKYMf)
http://theothermccain.com/2018/03/15/muslim-murder-houston-daca-illegal-alien/
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at March 15, 2018 01:45 PM (fA1SL)
New York Post
@nypost
EXCLUSIVE: Matt Damon is moving his family to Australia in part because he's fed up with Trump
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at March 15, 2018 01:43 PM (+y/Ru)
Maybe we can get aussie to send him one of those spiders that are the size of your hand and kill you with a huge dose of venom. I think there are like five types of them there.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at March 15, 2018 01:46 PM (RD7QR)
Mateo, an attorney, was born in Mexico and came to the U.S.
illegally at the age of 14 with her parents, who are also illegal
aliens"
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The obvious pisses me off to no end, but wouldn't her law degree be void because 1) illegal and 2) rules against breaking the law every single day?
Also, I'm guessing she's committed fraud at any and every job.
Arrest them all.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Those deputies listened to the kids screaming as they were shot at March 15, 2018 01:46 PM (zuUwB)
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Shit-for-brains or dickface perhaps?
Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at March 15, 2018 01:46 PM (a3tan)
As someone pointed out above, it'll be at least a generation before we find out everything they effed up, and even longer to fix it.
If that's even gonna be an option ...
Posted by: sock_rat_eez
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Undoubtedly Obama did damage that is now so institutionalized that it can never be completely exorcised, but that only happened because the Left have been steadily marching through the institutions since the 1930's.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 15, 2018 01:46 PM (w1zJX)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 15, 2018 01:47 PM (IqV8l)
You forgot to add : " In Accord with the Wishes of the GOP Congress"
Lotsa DC phat cats getting phatter off THAT deal.
Posted by: woody summer at March 15, 2018 01:47 PM (IkIB1)
Good bye, sunshine. Take your camo-hippy act somewhere else.
Nothing keeps you up at night because you only need to act tough and not be tough. That's left to the front line Marines, you REMF.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at March 15, 2018 01:47 PM (ATVNj)
@nypost
EXCLUSIVE: Matt Damon is moving his family to Australia in part because he's fed up with Trump
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at March 15, 2018 01:43 PM
Shame all his fellow Film Actors' Guild members don't have the same courage of their (stupid) convictions.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 15, 2018 01:47 PM (p+Wdc)
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at March 15, 2018 01:47 PM (ePaIG)
Mic drop.
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at March 15, 2018 01:47 PM (SXaOr)
Posted by: Marcus T at March 15, 2018 01:45 PM (VpIIl)
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And it's unfortunate, because I like some of the people at Conservative Review. Crowder's hilarious and Roaming Millienial is brilliant and heart-stoppingly gorgeous.
Posted by: Jackal at March 15, 2018 01:47 PM (HKYMf)
Matt Damon is moving his family to Australia
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Poor Australia.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at March 15, 2018 01:48 PM (ATVNj)
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Shit-for-brains or dickface perhaps?
Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at March 15, 2018 01:46 PM (a3tan)
Well... the way he is spouting off... it certainly is NOT... No Tell Votel....
Posted by: Don Q. at March 15, 2018 01:48 PM (NgKpN)
Now I wish the DOD had not even gone there, but I assume his response was to a direct question
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 15, 2018 01:49 PM (5y11N)
Posted by: mrp at March 15, 2018 01:49 PM (Pqytn)
Listen to Taterhead cuz he's smart. S-M-R-T. Smart.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Those deputies listened to the kids screaming as they were shot at March 15, 2018 01:49 PM (zuUwB)
http://theothermccain.com/2018/03/15/muslim-murder-houston-daca-illegal-alien/
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at March 15, 2018 01:45 PM (fA1SL)
Is that the anti-Muslim backlash that Americans won't do?
Posted by: rickl at March 15, 2018 01:49 PM (xjiRE)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 15, 2018 01:49 PM (OLCnA)
???
I don't get the connection?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 15, 2018 01:50 PM (5y11N)
Posted by: Jackal
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*looks up from pawing in the litter box*
Well, at least I don't drag my butt on the carpet.
Posted by: Mike Hammer's Cat at March 15, 2018 01:50 PM (w1zJX)
Be careful with those wounds. Kitten claws aren't known for their cleanliness.
Posted by: Jackal at March 15, 2018 01:45 PM (HKYMf)
...and thats why its so great when i see Fluff sticking her paw in my cawfee and licking it. Sometimes I just see drops next to my cup which means shes had her fill. Shes very sneaky.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 15, 2018 01:50 PM (70cRb)
Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at March 15, 2018 01:50 PM (nBr1j)
Matt Damon is moving his family to Australia
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Poor Australia.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at March 15, 2018 01:48 PM (ATVNj)
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Y'know, maybe something else "Me-too" related is about to drop about his buddy Afflack and he's decided to head downunder to wait it out. And yeah, they do have a big film industry down their as well...
Posted by: Jackal at March 15, 2018 01:50 PM (HKYMf)
Posted by: x at March 15, 2018 01:50 PM (nFwvY)
http://theothermccain.com/2018/03/15/muslim-murder-houston-daca-illegal-alien/
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine
Sorry. More than 10 miles from me.
Give-a-shit meter's needle didn't move.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 15, 2018 01:50 PM (FYqfs)
http://theothermccain.com/2018/03/15/muslim-murder-houston-daca-illegal-alien/
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at March 15, 2018 01:45 PM
This must be a tough one for the lefty Outrage Meter. Sort of like watching one endangered species eat another.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 15, 2018 01:51 PM (p+Wdc)
But seriously shouldn't the Pentagon have some kind of Rainbow Plan Orange for this already?
So it is still troubling testimony.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at March 15, 2018 01:51 PM (ePaIG)
Posted by: toddler at March 15, 2018 01:51 PM (8D42x)
Listen to Taterhead cuz he's smart. S-M-R-T. Smart.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Those deputies listened to the kids screaming as they were shot at March 15, 2018 01:49 PM (zuUwB)
Hey, it worked for the Irish! Well, excepting that whole potato famine thing.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at March 15, 2018 01:51 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: DeploraBOT at March 15, 2018 01:42 PM (y3aQB)
He sure did a great job holding up that column for 20 minutes while the kids were being killed...
Good thing that the left wants to disarm us and rely on the police.
Posted by: Timon at March 15, 2018 01:51 PM (NTM5E)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at March 15, 2018 01:51 PM (fA1SL)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 15, 2018 01:51 PM (IflZ6)
Posted by: Bill Kristol at March 15, 2018 01:52 PM (5oTIt)
Listen to Taterhead cuz he's
Not Irish.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 15, 2018 01:52 PM (FYqfs)
You're not fooling me Abdul, I can see the Pakistani VIN# under that paper Made in Riyadh tag.
Posted by: DaveA at March 15, 2018 01:52 PM (FhXTo)
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Hmm. But has he renounced his citizenship? Because otherwise, he's just a virtue-signaling Limousine Liberal.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 15, 2018 01:52 PM (w1zJX)
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 15, 2018 01:53 PM (roQNm)
So it is still troubling testimony.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at March 15, 2018 01:51 PM (ePaIG)
Yes and I wished he had not gone there.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 15, 2018 01:53 PM (5y11N)
about to drop about his buddy Afflack and he's decided to head
downunder to wait it out. And yeah, they do have a big film industry
down their as well...
Posted by: Jackal at March 15, 2018 01:50 PM (HKYMf)
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That's right, ol' Taterhead was quite the defender of Harvey, wasn't he? I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that he was asked to demonstrate his acting ability by playing a ficus role when he was first starting out, either.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Those deputies listened to the kids screaming as they were shot at March 15, 2018 01:53 PM (zuUwB)
Posted by: Bill Kristol at March 15, 2018 01:53 PM (5oTIt)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 15, 2018 01:54 PM (OLCnA)
Posted by: Bill Kristol at March 15, 2018 01:55 PM (5oTIt)
Posted by: Bill Kristol at March 15, 2018 01:57 PM (5oTIt)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at March 15, 2018 01:43 PM (+y/Ru)
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Why Australia? That's not very convenient for a Hollywooder.
Why not Mexico?
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 15, 2018 01:58 PM (0jtPF)
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And in the same manner, oh, please, oh, please, oh, please!
Posted by: bicentennialguy at March 15, 2018 01:58 PM (vg8iE)
size of your hand and kill you with a huge dose of venom. I think there
are like five types of them there.
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Unnecessary. At least some of the most venomous spiders are commonly found in back yards all over.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_funnel-web_spider
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They also show up in garages and yards in suburban Sydney.
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Posted by: Off the reservation at March 15, 2018 02:00 PM (vWMNq)
Posted by: Jmel
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Et tu, Mattis?
- Donny Two Scoops
Posted by: Morton at March 15, 2018 02:04 PM (LiloM)
about to drop about his buddy Afflack and he's decided to head
downunder to wait it out. And yeah, they do have a big film industry
down their as well...
Posted by: Jackal at March 15, 2018 01:50 PM (HKYMf)
As I recall, the younger Affleck was implicated already, hence their previous circling of the wagons.
I doubt any more revelations will be followed up on anytime soon though. Hollywood probably considers themselves to already be done cleaning house.
Posted by: Sjg at March 15, 2018 02:21 PM (gDSJf)
Posted by: FaCubeItches at March 15, 2018 02:25 PM (rznWS)
And that's the reason making war in the United States is supppsed to be so difficult, and require effectively 2/3rds agreement in the government to do so. Politicians don't pay the costs. Pundits don't pay the costs. Generals don't even pay the costs.
Kids do.
Votel respected that fact. He doesn't set policy, nor does the DoD.
They're instruments of it, to rip off the Cruise film. We should all, deep down- and even though we know they're just a bunch of opportunistic bureaucratic shits, hope the State Department's bullshit "deal" is enough. We know it's not, but we should play out that string until there's no other choice, and we can let the DoD function unrestricted- telling diplomatic fools on both sides of the Atlantic "we tried it your way" with all earnestness.
It's really easy for some here to say Mattis or McMaster have a soft spot for Muslims; you'd have to be an imbecile to think that given their CVs, but stupid happens. They've both shown themselves particularly skillful at killing and the direction thereof. That they don't look to it being the first, last, and only option shows they know where the cost is.
Back that play. Mattis' people tore ISIS to shreds in a calendar quarter. They'll do what it takes if it comes to that. Don't confuse their respecting the process of our Republic or diplomacy with weakness- you won't find better to resolve the endgame if it comes to that.
Posted by: Fringe at March 15, 2018 02:28 PM (yyhsJ)
Posted by: Gator70 at March 15, 2018 02:50 PM (rncz6)
Appeasement is such an amazing philosophy. We risk nothing at all by doing nothing!
I'm sure those state dept diplomats who sit in their cars and cry are all up to the task of keeping Iran from building nukes.
Posted by: Sjg at March 15, 2018 03:19 PM (gDSJf)
Mattis may have been a good field commander, but he is useless as an administrator. Fire him.
Posted by: Phil Ossiferz Stone at March 15, 2018 03:27 PM (TlVL7)
Obama listened to the Generals
Posted by: Yup at March 15, 2018 03:52 PM (TPi4+)
Posted by: Fred at March 15, 2018 05:07 PM (D+6HN)
Trump must find a general/DOD Sec who supports Him and and the MAGA agenda.
Posted by: Economically useless and malignantly aggrieved at March 15, 2018 05:17 PM (5BVHO)
Posted by: TomJB at March 15, 2018 08:16 PM (GOUa4)
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