Media Just Embarrassing Itself Over the "Broward Coward"

JJ Sefton noted the report that the sheriff's deputy assigned to protect the Parkland school did nothing for six minutes during the rampage.

The cuck media is taking this a proof that "good guys with guns can't stop gun crime," not realizing that 1, this guy was actually a paid agent of the state and therefore 2, if paid agents of the state specifically assigned to carry guns to defend citizens won't do so, then 3, it's up to every private citizen to arm himself in order to protect himself.

John Harwood, who no one ever accused of not being a fucking retard, drooled thus:





Also big on this claim is human soft-boiled egg Chris Cillizza:



No, he wasn't a "good guy with a gun," a shorthand expression for a private citizen with a gun. He was paid state agent and a cop who, reports say, chose to cower instead of doing the job taxpayers used to pay him to pretend to do.

Now, if you think that's dumb, and I'm pretty sure you do, well, here's even dumber.

Famous MSNBC tough-guy Lawrence O'Donnell, who uses a shitty Southie accent when he wants to fake-challenge people to fights on TV (ps, Lawrence, I'm game), has an interesting explanation as to why a citizen's handgun would be useless against an AR-15:



I'm not a Super-Expert on guns, but I rather think the AR-15's superior accuracy (longer barrels fire straighter shots; heavier barrels jump less from recoil) would be a factor in a pistol-vs.-rifle fight, but I don't think mere bullet speed would count all that much.



By the way, the guy with the pistol had an immense advantage over the shooter: He knew about the shooter, and he knew about where the shooter was (from the sounds of gunfire), but the shooter didn't know about him or where he was.

Now, it seems he was out taking a well-deserved smoke break, but had he been doing his job, he would have cautiously approached the shooter from a behind sort of angle and taken the not-so-difficult trick shot of shooing someone unaware right in his fucking back.

I'll have to check with Lawrence O'Donnell about how muzzle velocity would factor into that sort of an attack.

Oh, thanks to Commenter, former minor author Joyce Carol Oates wants to know why a paid guard armed with a mere "conventional" weapon could possibly be expected to do his job and shoot someone armed with an "AK-15."



Oh, by the way, the Weekly Cuck has an editorial out:




States and municipalities may wish to try different policies, but arming so many teachers across the nation would increase the danger, not alleviate it. School shootings are a problem, but the odds of any one school being attacked is still, thankfully, minuscule. Put a gun in the classroom, and it might well become like Checkhov's gun: Eventually, somebody's going to use it.

Oh, how literary. Someone's very proud of having remembered a quote usually taught in the ninth grade.

What did I tell you? As they drop their masks and work to make themselves employable by the liberal magazines they've always secretly craved employment at, gun rights will be the first issue they'll "evolve" on -- but it won't be the last.

Oh: Checkhov? I missed this:



Maybe the Weekly Cuck shouldn't be that proud of their ninth-grade-drama-appreciating reference.

Posted by: Ace at 02:38 PM




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1 usual

Posted by: CN at February 23, 2018 02:32 PM (5gaNQ)

2 two in a row

Posted by: CN at February 23, 2018 02:32 PM (5gaNQ)

3 I hate Harwood almost as much as Tappy

Posted by: CN at February 23, 2018 02:33 PM (5gaNQ)

4 "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

Here is an arguable case of good men doing nothing. Arguable, because can we call this ditherer a "good man"?

Posted by: Another Anon at February 23, 2018 02:34 PM (zKMqB)

5 Zzzzzz

Posted by: Jeff Sessions age 71 at February 23, 2018 02:34 PM (BwJGV)

6 Old pic of Oates, she must be 75

Posted by: CN at February 23, 2018 02:34 PM (5gaNQ)

7 A liberal's dream: A deputy who won't shoot.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at February 23, 2018 02:34 PM (ATVNj)

8 Rick Scott is a cuck.

Posted by: Under Fire at February 23, 2018 02:34 PM (r9UYA)

9 Don't do much Kenny Rogers, but

Everyone considered him the coward of the county...

Posted by: Axebot at February 23, 2018 02:34 PM (vDqXW)

10 If bullets fire 3x as fast, that means it's 3x as more deadly. That's just basic math, idiots.

Posted by: Your reptillian overlords at February 23, 2018 02:34 PM (KUaJL)

11 Actually 79, and looks it

Posted by: CN at February 23, 2018 02:35 PM (5gaNQ)

12 two in a row
Posted by: CN at February 23, 2018 02:32 PM (5gaNQ)
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BOT!!!

Posted by: Bot Theorist at February 23, 2018 02:35 PM (vDqXW)

13 Sheriff Scott Israel is gonna resign soon, to spend more time with family or identify as a gay man.

Posted by: WeBoned! at February 23, 2018 02:35 PM (EfEQe)

14 I wonder if this teenager was triggered by the removal of Confederate statues?

I wonder if the deputy didn't shoot because he didn't want to be labeled as the next racist George Zimmerman?

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at February 23, 2018 02:36 PM (ATVNj)

15 gun rights will be the first issue they'll "evolve" on


In fairness, that was homo marriage, or abortion in the case of some.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 23, 2018 02:36 PM (QQ+il)

16 It's suicide to go up against an AK-15 unless you have an AK-16

Posted by: steevy at February 23, 2018 02:36 PM (LiyEm)

17 14: Garden variety coward

Posted by: CN at February 23, 2018 02:36 PM (5gaNQ)

18 Russian bots are tracking AoSHQ and keeping real Americans from being able to post "First!".

If you deny this, Putin wins.

Posted by: Bot Theorist at February 23, 2018 02:36 PM (vDqXW)

19 Then I want a GD phaser! Speed of light baby!

Seriously, my head hurts from reading the stupidity emanating from the MSM.

Posted by: Archer at February 23, 2018 02:36 PM (gbWkA)

20 So, they are making the point that an AR, because of the speed of the bullet, is a superior DEFENSIVE weapon?

Then why are the trying to take them away from Citizens? You know, the ones who have the RIGHT to defend themselves?

Posted by: Don Q. at February 23, 2018 02:37 PM (NgKpN)

21 Even 'slow' bullets are still pretty fast.

Has this guy watched too much Matrix?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2018 02:37 PM (ycWCI)

22 Gotta love imbeciles that make your point for you without realizing it.

Posted by: Greg61 at February 23, 2018 02:37 PM (W777x)

23 The Sheriff only let him carry one bullet, in his pocket.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 23, 2018 02:37 PM (QQ+il)

24 Fuck, where do buy AK-15s? I want one of those super guns.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 23, 2018 02:37 PM (2LelM)

25 In a decent society, both of these men would have chosen an honorable exit after their failure.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at February 23, 2018 02:37 PM (fA1SL)

26 10 If bullets fire 3x as fast, that means it's 3x as more deadly. That's just basic math, idiots.
_____________________________________

I was told there would be no math.

Posted by: Brian Williams at February 23, 2018 02:37 PM (ATVNj)

27 Everyone considered him the coward of the county...
Posted by: Axebot at February 23, 2018 02:34 PM (vDqXW)
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Wait. I missed an 'r'.

Posted by: Axebot at February 23, 2018 02:37 PM (vDqXW)

28 Here is another opportunity for a great unmasking.

Investigate Broward County!

Posted by: nip at February 23, 2018 02:37 PM (ECLaL)

29 'He could dodge the slow bullets!'

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2018 02:37 PM (ycWCI)

30 18: I never say "first"

Posted by: CN at February 23, 2018 02:37 PM (5gaNQ)

31 Posted by: Bot Theorist at February 23, 2018 02:35 PM (vDqXW)

Your accusing others of being a BOT is proof that you are in fact a BOT!

Posted by: Bot Theorist Theorist at February 23, 2018 02:38 PM (BwJGV)

32 Has anyone responded with the obvious?

There wasnt a good guy with a gun.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 23, 2018 02:38 PM (4lzWT)

33 If being 3x quicker is that much better, how come women keep going on about guys who last a long time, hm?

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at February 23, 2018 02:38 PM (KUaJL)

34 Scot Peterson is doing what most bureaucrats do on the job: nothing.

Posted by: kathysaysso at February 23, 2018 02:38 PM (vkS2Z)

35 Got into it with some bint on Facebook about teachers not wanting to be armed because they might be shot by cops. I used the 250 Ohio teachers signing up for 50 slots.
She came back with not trusting Brietbart.

I told her I supplied the info. The onus is on her to call the sheriff and verify is she didn't believe the info.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 23, 2018 02:38 PM (7OF+y)

36 It's like all these progs think AR-15s come with a +5 THAC0 bonus.

Posted by: Methos at February 23, 2018 02:38 PM (XQvuQ)

37 31 Posted by: Bot Theorist at February 23, 2018 02:35 PM (vDqXW)

Your accusing others of being a BOT is proof that you are in fact a BOT!
Posted by: Bot Theorist Theorist at February 23, 2018 02:38 PM (BwJGV)

Bot-ception!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2018 02:38 PM (ycWCI)

38 So let's do this:

i.) the only way to stop school shootings is to make guns harder to buy
ii.) While this will leave innocent people less protected, that's okay, because the cops are there to defend you!
iii.) Well, not necessarily. They may cower outside while you get slaughtered like an animal.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 23, 2018 02:39 PM (F5+ro)

39 Look for the Union label.

Posted by: Glenn John at February 23, 2018 02:39 PM (LilNs)

40 I swear they are trying to kill me with all their stupid. It...I can't...eLites...bullet speed...

If Joyce ever needs to call the cops, I hope they tell her they can't put their lives in danger to help her out. I mean, why should they? Then reference her tweet.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 23, 2018 02:39 PM (hLB6Q)

41 16 It's suicide to go up against an AK-15 unless you have an AK-16
Posted by: steevy at February 23, 2018 02:36 PM (LiyEm)

Then somebody else gets an AK-17, and another guy gets an AK-18, and the fuckin' arms race spirals out of control, man!

Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2018 02:39 PM (NWiLs)

42

They also said the security video feed was 20 minutes BEHIND, NOT LIVE, so they were 20 minutes off on what was really happening.

What wasn't screwed up in this massive clusterfark?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 23, 2018 02:39 PM (fceHP)

43 "Now, it seems he was out taking a well-deserved smoke break, but had he been doing his job, he would have cautiously approached the shooter from a behind sort of angle and taken the not-so-difficult trick shot of shooting someone unaware right in his fucking back."

After the backshot, it would also be not-so-difficult to take a nutshot as well. Then see if the guy can catch a bullet with his teeth. That's also a popular trick. Get jiggy with it.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at February 23, 2018 02:39 PM (kfcYC)

44 >>>16 It's suicide to go up against an AK-15 unless you have an AK-16

AK-15, AK-16, whatever it takes

Posted by: Mr. Mom, Expert in Home Defense at February 23, 2018 02:40 PM (8rNrN)

45 No, he wasn't a "good guy with a gun," a shorthand expression for a private citizen with a gun. He was paid state agent and a cop who, reports say, chose to cower instead of doing the job taxpayers used to pay him to pretend to do.

Yeah ... if the 'guard' had just gone in a few steps and fired his gun once or twice (a la Joey Biden's advice) the shooter might have heard the shots and put a quicker end to his spree.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 23, 2018 02:40 PM (8gDQu)

46 The only way you are going to stop an assailant armed with an AK-15 is with your own AR-47 or perhaps a TEC-10.

Posted by: Malcolm Tent at February 23, 2018 02:40 PM (TUkHv)

47 The leftist playbook goes something like this:

I HAVE AN OPINION.

IT REINFORCES MY BIAS.

YOU MUST BELIEVE IT (even if it is pure idiocy, and it probably is).

I AM THE VOICE OF REASON.

YOU ARE A TOOL OF THE NRA.

QED.

Posted by: tcn in AK at February 23, 2018 02:40 PM (7UW64)

48 As we all know, conventional arms don't stand a chance against scary black rifles. The strictly superior scary black rifle grants a near impervability to small arms fire and by virtue of merely by holding one, compensates for years of tactical training and practice.

Our deputy did a stellar job of protecting a parking lot full of valuable cars and speed bumps which may have very well been the next victims if not for his valorous actions.

Clunker lives matter.

Posted by: Broward County Sheriff at February 23, 2018 02:40 PM (gDSJf)

49 36 It's like all these progs think AR-15s come with a +5 THAC0 bonus.
Posted by: Methos at February 23, 2018 02:38 PM (XQvuQ)

*rolls natural 20*

Critical hit, bitches!

Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2018 02:40 PM (NWiLs)

50 Aaaaaand media scrunt just asked the Australia PM about his weapons buyback program and if he's talked about it with Trump. I knew it!

PM diplomatically says the context for both are diff and he does not presume to give the US policy on that advice.

Posted by: LizLem at February 23, 2018 02:40 PM (hvf9s)

51

ot: Perino sure screws up a lot on her new show. So many mistakes. It is weird.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 23, 2018 02:40 PM (fceHP)

52 2182 mph!

BOOM!

Wanna know where I pulled that number out of, Gun Lovers?

Posted by: Lawrence O'Donell at February 23, 2018 02:40 PM (BwJGV)

53 "Now, it seems he was out taking a well-deserved smoke break, but had he been doing his job, he would have cautiously approached the shooter from a behind sort of angle and taken the not-so-difficult trick shot of shooing someone unaware right in his fucking back."

All he had to do was distract the shooter.

Posted by: WisRich at February 23, 2018 02:40 PM (G0vdT)

54 Then somebody else gets an AK-17, and another guy gets an AK-18, and the fuckin' arms race spirals out of control, man!
Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2018 02:39 PM (NWiLs)

The AK gap is real!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2018 02:40 PM (ycWCI)

55 He was not a "Good Guy With a Gun". He was a "Guy Serving-out-his-time-until-his-government-union pension-kicked-in With A Gun".

Maybe now with a PTSD disability boost?

Posted by: motionview at February 23, 2018 02:40 PM (pYQR/)

56 >It's suicide to go up against an AK-15 unless you have an AK-16
Posted by: steevy at February 23, 2018 02:36 PM (LiyEm)

Once you get an AK-16, someone will get an V8 (engine or juice, don't matter), and then someone will get an F-150 and then someone will break out the A-535.

Will the madness never end?

Posted by: all doubt removed at February 23, 2018 02:40 PM (xj0OI)

57
he would have cautiously approached the shooter from a behind sort of angle and taken the not-so-difficult trick shot of shooing someone unaware right in his fucking back.

Good guys with guns don't just come up on a guy from behind, duh.

Unless the GGwG first shouts: "Let's fight the fair one!"

At that point it is permissible for the Good Guy with Gun to shoot at will.

Posted by: kallisto, reading from Silly FakeNews "media" rules of engagement and tomfoolery at February 23, 2018 02:41 PM (Iz8Py)

58 Oh, thanks to Commenter, former minor author Joyce Carol Oates wants to know why a paid guard armed with a mere "conventional" weapon could possibly be expected to do his job and shoot someone armed with an "AK-15."

What did she want him armed with, a bazooka?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 23, 2018 02:41 PM (YqDXo)

59 46 The only way you are going to stop an assailant armed with an AK-15 is with your own AR-47 or perhaps a TEC-10.

Posted by: Malcolm Tent at February 23, 2018 02:40 PM (TUkHv)


You could drop an anvil on his head. Happens to the coyote every time.

Posted by: tcn in AK at February 23, 2018 02:41 PM (7UW64)

60 What wasn't screwed up in this massive clusterfark?
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 23, 2018 02:39 PM (fceHP)

The shooter's mission, unfortunately.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2018 02:41 PM (NWiLs)

61 The solution to ending school shootings?

Tear down the patriarchy!

Posted by: Some Feminist Cuny Waft at February 23, 2018 02:41 PM (ayUOl)

62 Hey Joyce - cops fighting Bonnie and Clyde figured this one out - bring bigger guns next time.

Posted by: Glenn John at February 23, 2018 02:41 PM (LilNs)

63 Why don't we just disallow 18 to 21 years olds the ability to buy faster guns? Our kids can dodge the slow ones.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 23, 2018 02:41 PM (2LelM)

64
Don't do much Kenny Rogers, but

Everyone considered him the coward of the county...
Posted by: Axebot


Went to Kenny Rogers Roast.
Foster Brooks was hilarious.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 23, 2018 02:41 PM (IqV8l)

65 Then somebody else gets an AK-17, and another guy gets an AK-18, and the fuckin' arms race spirals out of control, man!


We will be lucky to live through it.

Posted by: Admiral Josh Painter at February 23, 2018 02:41 PM (QQ+il)

66 Will Sessions visit Broward County?

Probably not.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/yd286zfp

Posted by: Under Fire at February 23, 2018 02:41 PM (r9UYA)

67 41 16 It's suicide to go up against an AK-15 unless you have an AK-16
Posted by: steevy at February 23, 2018 02:36 PM (LiyEm)

Then somebody else gets an AK-17, and another guy gets an AK-18, and the fuckin' arms race spirals out of control, man!
Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2018 02:39 PM (NWiLs)

And we are WAYYYY behind those dastardly Russians in this Arms Race...

They have had an AK-47 for DECADES!

Posted by: Don Q. at February 23, 2018 02:41 PM (NgKpN)

68 Scot Peterson is doing what most bureaucrats do on the job: nothing.
Posted by: kathysaysso at February 23, 2018 02:38 PM (vkS2Z)


Never trust a guy who is missing a "t" in Scott. He's probably missing other things too.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 23, 2018 02:42 PM (hLB6Q)

69 Once you get an AK-16, someone will get an V8 (engine or juice, don't matter), and then someone will get an F-150 and then someone will break out the A-535.

Will the madness never end?

Posted by: all doubt removed at February 23, 2018 02:40 PM (xj0OI)


Wait, I think I saw this on Bunny of Seville.....

Posted by: tcn in AK at February 23, 2018 02:42 PM (7UW64)

70 10 If bullets fire 3x as fast, that means it's 3x as more deadly. That's just basic math, idiots.
Posted by: Your reptillian overlords

It also depends how fast your finger is moving when you pull the trigger and also if you are moving forward or backward while you shoot. Ballistics is very complicated and confusing as Lawrence O'Donnell is finding out. I'm glad you didn't let that stop you.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at February 23, 2018 02:42 PM (kfcYC)

71 Strike that, reverse it. I typed too fast.

"he does not presume to give the US advice on that policy."

Posted by: LizLem at February 23, 2018 02:42 PM (hvf9s)

72 I'm not a Super-Expert on guns, but I rather think the AR-15's superior accuracy (longer barrels fire straighter shots; heavier barrels jump less from recoil) would be a factor in a pistol-vs.-rifle fight, but I don't think mere bullet speed would count all that much.

Bullet speed is very important. You can outrun a regular, non-assault weapon pistol bullet but you can't outrun a high-powered, AR-15 superman-speed bullet. Of course, I'm assuming you're wearing professional running shoes in this hypothetical.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 23, 2018 02:42 PM (8gDQu)

73 Rifle bullets are not only faster, but the extra barrel length makes them more maneuverable. That's why they call them semi-automatic: the gun man doesn't have to aim them as carefully. Fully automatic bullets are even more dangerous, which is why they are banned.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 23, 2018 02:42 PM (CPk08)

74 Some liberal group will give this deputy an award for "extraordinary restraint in the face of peril to himself" and "dedication to preserve life, even the life of a criminal."

And "resisting the societally imprinted masculine impulse to use a firearm."

He'll be a hero to the left.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at February 23, 2018 02:42 PM (ATVNj)

75 the garland traffic cop that took out the AK-47 jihadist with his handgun proves the point that trained shooter with glock can take out rifle wielder.

Posted by: Saudaukar organizer at February 23, 2018 02:42 PM (Wa5hI)

76 Posted by: Bot Theorist Theorist at February 23, 2018 02:38 PM (BwJGV)

Bot-ception!
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2018 02:38 PM (ycWCI)

Yet another BOT!

Posted by: Bot Theorist Theorist Theorist at February 23, 2018 02:42 PM (BwJGV)

77 My Lord.. they have made the AR-15 out to be some super weapon.. eff'n idiots.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 23, 2018 02:42 PM (so+oy)

78 Actually, if a bullet's moving faster, it's harder to make them bend.

Posted by: That Kid Who Bends the Bullets in "Wanted" at February 23, 2018 02:42 PM (8rNrN)

79 67. Pfft! Obrazets 47 is obsolete. Obrazets 74 is where it's at!

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at February 23, 2018 02:43 PM (fA1SL)

80 A .45 goes much slower than a 9mm.

I wonder if he had to choose , which one he would choose to be shot once with.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 23, 2018 02:43 PM (4lzWT)

81 >>2182 mph!



BOOM!



Wanna know where I pulled that number out of, Gun Lovers?

Posted by: Lawrence O'Donell

Well, Larry it seems much to large to come out of your penis.

Posted by: Aviator at February 23, 2018 02:43 PM (2cuLk)

82 >>> Then somebody else gets an AK-17, and another guy gets an AK-18, and the fuckin' arms race spirals out of control, man!
Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2018 02:39 PM (NWiLs)

SEVENTEEN BLADES!

Posted by: Razor company trying to one up the competish at February 23, 2018 02:43 PM (hvf9s)

83 Set and match.

Posted by: AK72 at February 23, 2018 02:43 PM (QQ+il)

84 Bottom line: the problem arises owing to our mental health policies.

Trump should call on the Supremes to revisit O'Connor v. Donaldson, stat.

And this time, get it right.

(Added benefit: knocking the homeless problem right on the head.)

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 23, 2018 02:43 PM (YqDXo)

85 I can't quite decide if they're ignorant, retarded, or hacks, or if they're just ignorant retarded hacks.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2018 02:43 PM (NWiLs)

86 You guys are killing me here!

Well, not "killing," exactly.

Posted by: tcn in AK at February 23, 2018 02:43 PM (7UW64)

87 53 "Now, it seems he was out taking a well-deserved smoke break, but had he been doing his job, he would have cautiously approached the shooter from a behind sort of angle and taken the not-so-difficult trick shot of shooing someone unaware right in his fucking back."

All he had to do was distract the shooter.
Posted by: WisRich at February 23, 2018 02:40 PM (G0vdT)

This. Just an adult voice shouting out "Hey, fuck face! I am going to put a bullet in your ass!" might have saved lives here.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2018 02:43 PM (ycWCI)

88
This shit they're spewing isn't even the approved script the DNCNWO sends them. They actually believe this stupid illogical nonsense. How do they get through their lives?

I guess most of them just made it via mommy and daddy and/or Uncle Biff's connections.

Posted by: kallisto at February 23, 2018 02:43 PM (Iz8Py)

89
All he had to do was distract the shooter.
Posted by: WisRich


Use the Alvin York turkey gobble ploy.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 23, 2018 02:43 PM (IqV8l)

90
Would the NRA pay his widow a bonus? yeesh. really, she has never heard of life insurance, especially insurance paid for by the taxpayers who he has sworn to server and PROTECT!. Not to mention widows and orphans funds.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 23, 2018 02:44 PM (r+sAi)

91 What the F is a "school resource officer"?

does anyone know? I know it is a euphemism, but I do not know for what. Is he a narc? is that what they are trying not to say?

what is the etymology of a name like that? did they just randomly open a management consulting text and pick random words?

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at February 23, 2018 02:44 PM (LWu6U)

92 42

They also said the security video feed was 20 minutes BEHIND, NOT LIVE, so they were 20 minutes off on what was really happening.

What wasn't screwed up in this massive clusterfark?
Posted by: artisanal 'ette

You need that delay in case someone curses or shows their tits.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at February 23, 2018 02:44 PM (kfcYC)

93 Scot Peterson is doing what most bureaucrats do on the job: nothing.

Posted by: kathysaysso at February 23, 2018 02:38 PM (vkS2Z)





Never trust a guy who is missing a "t" in Scott. He's probably missing other things too.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 23, 2018 02:42 PM (hLB6Q)

You shouldn't trust Scott Peterson, either

Posted by: Laci P. at February 23, 2018 02:44 PM (XQvuQ)

94 58 Oh, thanks to Commenter, former minor author Joyce Carol Oates wants to know why a paid guard armed with a mere "conventional" weapon could possibly be expected to do his job and shoot someone armed with an "AK-15."

What did she want him armed with, a bazooka?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 23, 2018 02:41 PM (YqDXo)

Phased Plasma Rifle in the 40 Watt Range...

Posted by: T-2000 at February 23, 2018 02:44 PM (NgKpN)

95 dammit

Posted by: AK74 at February 23, 2018 02:44 PM (QQ+il)

96
Put a gun in the classroom, and it might well become like Checkhov's gun: Eventually, somebody's going to use it.



What a dumbass everybody knows Checkov used a phaser

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at February 23, 2018 02:44 PM (lKyWE)

97 66 Will Sessions visit Broward County?

Probably not.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/yd286zfp
Posted by: Under Fire at February 23, 2018 02:41 PM (r9UYA)

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Posted by: Sessionzzzzzzzz at February 23, 2018 02:44 PM (BwJGV)

98 Some teachers is states with less strict gun laws will sign up for firearms training. Those in states with strict gun laws generally will not and the union would fight it all the way anyway even if some wanted it. Therefore, the evil murderers who want to kill kids will head to states with less strict gun laws, and some people may not mind quite so much if a bunch of teens get shot as long as it's a red state and their parents were Democrats. I happen to think any innocent kid shot is a bad thing.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 23, 2018 02:44 PM (8+Ozj)

99 This is all so stupid. Chasing their tails and claiming competence AND moral authority.

You've got us, MSM Inspector Clouseaus!
No one should have guns because no one should have guns. Makes perfect sense.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 23, 2018 02:44 PM (W+vEI)

100 the garland traffic cop that took out the AK-47 jihadist with his handgun proves the point that trained shooter with glock can take out rifle wielder.
Posted by: Saudaukar organizer at February 23, 2018 02:42 PM (Wa5hI)

You mean the guys the FBI knew about but didnt tell anyone?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 23, 2018 02:44 PM (4lzWT)

101 75 the garland traffic cop that took out the AK-47 jihadist with his handgun proves the point that trained shooter with glock can take out rifle wielder.
Posted by: Saudaukar organizer at February 23, 2018 02:42 PM (Wa5hI)


Both the Glock and the AK-15 are German guns, which is why we have to ban them.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 23, 2018 02:44 PM (CPk08)

102 So is Oates saying we need nukes instead of conventional weapons to take on their mysterious Russian?American hybrid super rifle? Asking for a friend.

Posted by: rammajamma at February 23, 2018 02:44 PM (AjNMO)

103 Phased Plasma Rifle in the 40 Watt Range...
Posted by: T-2000 at February 23, 2018 02:44 PM (NgKpN)

Just what you see, pal.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2018 02:45 PM (NWiLs)

104 Checkhov's gun

You'd think those snotty fucks would know how to spell Chekhov.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 23, 2018 02:45 PM (y7DUB)

105 Cops should all carry 88 magnums. They shoot through schools.

Posted by: tu3031 at February 23, 2018 02:45 PM (O5Q3r)

106 Brave kids with a bit of training acted quickly and did what they thought would save lives -keep doors open so kids could get out and put kevlar behind the door to prevent the shooter from killing more.

One kid paid the ultimate price for helping unlike the coward of broward.

Have you seen the kid who designed a door stop for active shooting situations? It prevents the shooter from getting into the classroom. He is patenting it and schools have already ordered it. He's enlisting in the Army after graduation this year. Good, common sense answers.

Add some great cameras with smart people monitoring them and you could do some real good.

Posted by: Seems Legit at February 23, 2018 02:45 PM (U+nHb)

107 The children should have serpentined.

Posted by: Broward County Sheriff at February 23, 2018 02:45 PM (r9UYA)

108 Bullet speed is very important. You can outrun a regular, non-assault weapon pistol bullet but you can't outrun a high-powered, AR-15 superman-speed bullet. Of course, I'm assuming you're wearing professional running shoes in this hypothetical.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 23, 2018 02:42 PM (8gDQu)

My buddies and I play a game called "catch the .22".

We fire off a .22, then run next to it for 500 feet, and try to catch it before it drops to the ground.

Whoever catches the most .22's wins. It's a load of fun.

We once played with .223. Unfortunately, none of us were quick enough to catch up with the bullet at those speeds.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 23, 2018 02:45 PM (F5+ro)

109 Nobody is proposing that we hang the gun on the wall.

Might be good to hang the Weekly Standard though.

Posted by: geoffb at February 23, 2018 02:45 PM (zOpu5)

110 Set and match.

Posted by: AK72 at February 23, 2018 02:43 PM (QQ+il)

Blow me.

Posted by: Plasma Rifle in the 30mW range at February 23, 2018 02:45 PM (XQvuQ)

111 Now, it seems he was out taking a well-deserved smoke break,


Surely this is sarcasm. This guy's whole job appeared to be taking a break. Just wandering around counting his steps for his Health App. (The last part I made up)

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 23, 2018 02:46 PM (hLB6Q)

112 We could just end gun free zones. Then, all of the civilians, including school teachers, who safely carry 365 days a year could be more than surplus targets when the school shooting started.

Posted by: Obama waving from Martha's Vineyard at February 23, 2018 02:46 PM (7sitm)

113 100 the garland traffic cop that took out the AK-47 jihadist with his handgun proves the point that trained shooter with glock can take out rifle wielder.
Posted by: Saudaukar organizer at February 23, 2018 02:42 PM (Wa5hI)

You mean the guys the FBI knew about but didnt tell anyone?
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 23, 2018 02:44 PM (4lzWT)

Yes. He's also the one the FBI undercover told to "tear up Texas."

Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2018 02:46 PM (NWiLs)

114 Can you blame the security guard? If the shooter had time to prepare and plan his attack out, he probably had aimhacks on as well, which the security guard obviously didn't do. It'd have just been suicide to try to go against something like that.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at February 23, 2018 02:46 PM (KUaJL)

115
After I paid my bill at the Dollar Store today the clerk through an AK-15 into my bag. And some grenades without pins.

This stuff is getting crazy.

Posted by: Acme Explosives at February 23, 2018 02:46 PM (2FqvZ)

116 So much stupid. It makes me tired.

Posted by: Joe at February 23, 2018 02:46 PM (fYFzF)

117
You need that delay in case someone curses or shows their tits.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at February 23, 2018 02:44 PM (kfcYC)

Dude showed his tits?

Wow.

No wonder he didn't want media coverage.

Posted by: tcn in AK at February 23, 2018 02:46 PM (7UW64)

118 I think the security officer at my kid's high school should have a gun. I don't know if he does, but I expect not. He's always on the ball when people come in and seems actually interested in what he's doing.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 23, 2018 02:46 PM (8+Ozj)

119 Our statistical profiling methods have determined that no commenter at AoSHQ is an actual person and that the site props itself up with Russian bots to promote Trump's surrender of America to Russia.

Posted by: William Krystol--NOT A BOT LIKE YOU STINKING PUTIN BOTS!!! at February 23, 2018 02:46 PM (vDqXW)

120 Will Sessions visit Broward County?




Who is Will Sessions? Ambien General's brother?

Posted by: rickb223 at February 23, 2018 02:46 PM (7OF+y)

121

FIRST AGAIN!!!!

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at February 23, 2018 02:47 PM (mPeei)

122 Dropping the snark for just one minute, is anyone else bothered by the near-doxing of this School Resource Officer?

Posted by: Action Jackson is my name. Bold adventure is my game. at February 23, 2018 02:47 PM (0SPyv)

123 USA = M16
Commies = AK74
74 > 16
AK74 > M16

We are doomed!

Posted by: Archer at February 23, 2018 02:47 PM (gbWkA)

124 Cops should all carry 88 magnums.
Posted by: tu3031 at February 23, 2018 02:45 PM (O5Q3r)

The Paolo carries even more than that.

Posted by: JoeF. at February 23, 2018 02:47 PM (7uYFy)

125 Bullet speed is very important. You can outrun a regular, non-assault weapon pistol bullet but you can't outrun a high-powered, AR-15 superman-speed bullet. Of course, I'm assuming you're wearing professional running shoes in this hypothetical.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 23, 2018 02:42 PM (8gDQu)

A lesson we learned too late to put a stop to Mr. Anderson, I'm afraid.

Posted by: Agent Smith at February 23, 2018 02:47 PM (gDSJf)

126 Read 'em and weep!

Posted by: AK-INFINITY at February 23, 2018 02:47 PM (BwJGV)

127 So Oates asks if the cop was expected to sacrifice his life in this instance? He ain't the postman lady.

Posted by: rammajamma at February 23, 2018 02:47 PM (AjNMO)

128 Wow, I did not know that the shooter had an AK-15. Is that even legal for regular people?

Posted by: Obama waving from Martha's Vineyard at February 23, 2018 02:47 PM (7sitm)

129 and taken the not-so-difficult trick shot of shooing someone unaware right in his fucking back.

+++

Which btw adheres to a definition of cowardice in simpler age

Posted by: Bigbys Crossed Fingers at February 23, 2018 02:47 PM (4sVxn)

130 114 Can you blame the security guard? If the shooter had time to prepare and plan his attack out, he probably had aimhacks on as well, which the security guard obviously didn't do. It'd have just been suicide to try to go against something like that.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at February 23, 2018 02:46 PM (KUaJL)

Would've got him with a 360 quickscope headshot, man.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2018 02:47 PM (NWiLs)

131 Does the AK-16 have that thingy that goes up? Or is it down?

Posted by: Burger Chef at February 23, 2018 02:47 PM (RuIsu)

132 My buddies and I play a game called "catch the .22".

We fire off a .22, then run next to it for 500 feet, and try to catch it before it drops to the ground.

Whoever catches the most .22's wins. It's a load of fun.


This is the sort of fun I miss because I go to an indoor range.

We once played with .223. Unfortunately, none of us were quick enough to catch up with the bullet at those speeds.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 23, 2018 02:45 PM (F5+ro)


Yep. Those extra 3 thousandths make all the difference. I bet you guys felt pretty silly after that.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 23, 2018 02:47 PM (8gDQu)

133 O'Donnell is more than welcome to come play Dodge the Bullet. Show us all how its done.

Posted by: Diogenes at February 23, 2018 02:48 PM (0tfLf)

134 and taken the not-so-difficult trick shot of shooing someone unaware right in his fucking back.

+++

Which btw adheres to a definition of cowardice in simpler age
Posted by: Bigbys Crossed Fingers at February 23, 2018 02:47 PM (4sVxn)

Not when the fucker is shooting kids in a school.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2018 02:48 PM (NWiLs)

135
All police should carry Flakvierling quad ak-ak guns...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 23, 2018 02:48 PM (VM6ev)

136 I want to see a picture of this stalwart peace officer, Scot Peterson.

Posted by: kathysaysso at February 23, 2018 02:48 PM (vkS2Z)

137 122 Dropping the snark for just one minute, is anyone else bothered by the near-doxing of this School Resource Officer?
Posted by: Action Jackson is my name. Bold adventure is my game. at February 23, 2018 02:47 PM (0SPyv)


Uh, yeah.

The guy should be on a suicide watch.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 23, 2018 02:48 PM (CPk08)

138 You shouldn't trust Scott Peterson, either
Posted by: Laci P. at February 23, 2018 02:44 PM (XQvuQ)


Tell me about it.


Posted by: Lacey Peterson at February 23, 2018 02:48 PM (hLB6Q)

139 -
--
USA = M16

Commies = AK74

74 > 16

AK74 > M16



We are doomed!

Posted by: Archer at February 23, 2018 02:47 PM
---------------------------

Second look at the AR-180?


Posted by: irright at February 23, 2018 02:48 PM (pMGkg)

140 I think Lawrence O'Donnell and Mike Barnicle get together once in awhile to punch each other in the face to show how tough they are.

Posted by: tu3031 at February 23, 2018 02:48 PM (O5Q3r)

141 133 O'Donnell is more than welcome to come play Dodge the Bullet. Show us all how its done.
Posted by: Diogenes at February 23, 2018 02:48 PM (0tfLf)


"SERPENTINE, LAWRENCE! SERPENTINE!!!!"


Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 23, 2018 02:49 PM (VM6ev)

142 Posted by: Action Jackson is my name. Bold adventure is my game. at February 23, 2018 02:47 PM (0SPyv)

Yes.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 23, 2018 02:49 PM (8+Ozj)

143 If bullets fire 3x as fast, that means it's 3x as more deadly. That's just basic math, idiots.

I can dodge RPGs bitches!

Posted by: Brian Williams at February 23, 2018 02:49 PM (txYuS)

144 84. This is exactly right. We need to go back to institutionalizing the mentally ill. Abandoning them to the street is worse than institutionalization, for them and for us.

Posted by: motionview at February 23, 2018 02:49 PM (pYQR/)

145 122 Dropping the snark for just one minute, is anyone else bothered by the near-doxing of this School Resource Officer?
Posted by: Action Jackson is my name. Bold adventure is my game. at February 23, 2018 02:47 PM (0SPyv)

No. Fuck that guy.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2018 02:49 PM (NWiLs)

146 USA = M16
Commies = AK74
74 > 16
AK74 > M16

We are doomed!

Posted by: Archer at February 23, 2018 02:47 PM



Aaaahhhhh!!!!! Maths!!!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at February 23, 2018 02:49 PM (0tfLf)

147 111 Now, it seems he was out taking a well-deserved smoke break,


Surely this is sarcasm. This guy's whole job appeared to be taking a break. Just wandering around counting his steps for his Health App. (The last part I made up)
Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 23, 2018 02:46 PM (hLB6Q)

As I said yesterday, I'm sure "school resource officer" is seen as "cushy clock in clock out job until its time to retire" and is not exactly where the go-getters dream of being assigned to.

The main job of a school resource officer is to teach DARE class and "reach out to the community" AKA -- do absolutely nothing.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 23, 2018 02:49 PM (F5+ro)

148 136 I want to see a picture of this stalwart peace officer, Scot Peterson.
Posted by: kathysaysso at February 23, 2018 02:48 PM (vkS2Z)


I got him in the Morning Report at some town council meeting where, get this, he was talking about arming teachers with concealed carry.

Shitty frame-grab from a video.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 23, 2018 02:50 PM (VM6ev)

149 The main job of a school resource officer is to teach DARE class and "reach out to the community" AKA -- do absolutely nothing.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 23, 2018 02:49 PM (F5+ro)

And tell kids to narc on their families, but that's part of DARE.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2018 02:50 PM (NWiLs)

150 137. Watch? Ya mean to make sure he does it properly, yes?

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at February 23, 2018 02:50 PM (fA1SL)

151 Gauging by his comments, I think he may not be an expert on ballistics.

Posted by: Malcolm Tent at February 23, 2018 02:50 PM (TUkHv)

152 I like the memes about someone coming home to find their assault weapons emptied the dishwasher all by themselves, or did the dishes, or cooked without being asked to. Then the weapons are posed in a photo by the dishwasher or sink or stove.

"See? If you raise them right, your little assault weapons won't grow up to shoot people!" Lol.

Posted by: LizLem at February 23, 2018 02:50 PM (hvf9s)

153 Maybe he didnt go in because he was waiting for his rifle plates to arrive. He ordered them on Amazon a few minutes before .

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 23, 2018 02:50 PM (4lzWT)

154 117
You need that delay in case someone curses or shows their tits.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at February 23, 2018 02:44 PM (kfcYC)

Dude showed his tits?

Wow.

No wonder he didn't want media coverage.
Posted by: tcn in AK

Well he certainly showed he's nuts. (Too soon but had to be done.)

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at February 23, 2018 02:50 PM (kfcYC)

155 146 USA = M16
Commies = AK74
74 > 16
AK74 > M16

We are doomed!

Posted by: Archer at February 23, 2018 02:47 PM


Aaaahhhhh!!!!! Maths!!!!!
Posted by: Diogenes at February 23, 2018 02:49 PM (0tfLf)

Back off! I've got a square root symbol and I'm not afraid to use it!

Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2018 02:51 PM (NWiLs)

156 117
You need that delay in case someone curses or shows their tits.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at February 23, 2018 02:44 PM (kfcYC)

Dude showed his tits?

Wow.

No wonder he didn't want media coverage.
Posted by: tcn in AK at February 23, 2018 02:46 PM (7UW64)


Was the video feed from the girls' shower room, perchance?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 23, 2018 02:51 PM (YqDXo)

157 I'm not aware of the doxxing. I am mostly reading here. I'm worried about any family members he has. And no, I don't want him shot. But I didn't lose a child.

Does he have family? Or is there a link to the doxxing?

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 23, 2018 02:51 PM (hLB6Q)

158 The only way you are going to stop an assailant armed with an AK-15 is with your own AR-47 or perhaps a TEC-10.

Posted by: Malcolm Tent at February 23, 2018 02:40 PM (TUkHv)


*looks with disappointment at my MAC-11*

Posted by: Bert G aka Country Singer at February 23, 2018 02:51 PM (uiwCw)

159 119 Our statistical profiling methods have determined that no commenter at AoSHQ is an actual person and that the site props itself up with Russian bots to promote Trump's surrender of America to Russia.
Posted by: William Krystol--NOT A BOT LIKE YOU STINKING PUTIN BOTS!!! at February 23, 2018 02:46 PM (vDqXW)

Of course! By that logic you're a BOT too!

Posted by: Bot Theorist BOT at February 23, 2018 02:51 PM (BwJGV)

160 129 and taken the not-so-difficult trick shot of shooing someone unaware right in his fucking back.

+++

Which btw adheres to a definition of cowardice in simpler age
Posted by: Bigbys Crossed Fingers at February 23, 2018 02:47 PM (4sVxn)

Whut?

Posted by: Pat Garret at February 23, 2018 02:51 PM (NgKpN)

161 So if the teachers get their CHL and start coming to the schools armed, what will the effect on class discipline be? Will students still assault teachers if they can't be sure the teacher is or is not armed?

Posted by: curiouser at February 23, 2018 02:51 PM (G0KbE)

162 M249 SAW for the win.


Posted by: irright at February 23, 2018 02:51 PM (pMGkg)

163 Would've got him with a 360 quickscope headshot, man.
Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2018 02:47 PM (NWiLs)

Think of how cool the youtube video of that would have been. Linkin park audio overlay and everything!

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at February 23, 2018 02:51 PM (KUaJL)

164 How about the Sheriff release the surveillance tape?

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/967000145920430081

Posted by: Lizzy at February 23, 2018 02:51 PM (W+vEI)

165 145 122 Dropping the snark for just one minute, is anyone else bothered by the near-doxing of this School Resource Officer?
Posted by: Action Jackson is my name. Bold adventure is my game. at February 23, 2018 02:47 PM (0SPyv)

No. Fuck that guy.
Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2018 02:49 PM (NWiLs)

No.

He's a "public servant" who is lavishly funded by the tax payers to hang around a school on the like .0001% chance something horrible happens.

Well, that .0001% happened, and this guy who has collected a salary at that school for god knows how long on the off chance that something like this happened froze up.

Kind of reminds of me of Captain Schettino. Remember that guy?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 23, 2018 02:52 PM (F5+ro)

166 Maybe he didnt go in because he was waiting for his rifle plates to arrive. He ordered them on Amazon a few minutes before .


He should have paid for Prime.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 23, 2018 02:52 PM (QQ+il)

167 42 - The delay is deliberate so they can delete any crimes from the recording. The school and cops have been conspiring for years to prevent crimes being reported so nobody gets a record. So if some guy molests a girl and she complains, nobody has seen it and the authorities erase the incident. Then they negotiate a settlement. No record for the perp. It's why this shooter had no record and was able to pass a background check. Every time he assaulted someone prior - it got hushed.

Posted by: Greg61 at February 23, 2018 02:52 PM (W777x)

168 and isn't scot peterson the cop who killed his wife?

Or is that a common name for cops?

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at February 23, 2018 02:52 PM (LWu6U)

169
Not even factoring in the speeds of light and sound, any caliber round fired from any weapon will close a 100' gap between the shooter and the target before the target's brain has even registered that there was a shot fired.

These people are incredibly dumb.


Hey that sounds like math.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at February 23, 2018 02:52 PM (lKyWE)

170 One thing they will never admit, the only person who is obligated to protect you, is you.

You can argue day in and day out to the contrary and split hairs, but as the "security" guard just showed, you are own your own. He heeded his internal obligation to protect himself.


The lesson of flight 93 should never be lost on anyone. It's a YOYO world when everything goes sideways.

Even in this modern time, evil people will do evil things, and being helpless and defenseless is not the same a being secure or safe.

But yeah take guns away from everyone. (sarc)

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at February 23, 2018 02:52 PM (ymnmz)

171 Pay no attention to those unrepentant Commies over at "Der Wochentlich Standarte".

I bet you pardon. I am truly embarrassed about my umlautlessness.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at February 23, 2018 02:52 PM (e1mEI)

172 The Palo, he has, how you say, the rocket in his pocket.

Posted by: Archer at February 23, 2018 02:52 PM (gbWkA)

173 Someone mentioned in an earlier thread they were covering up and hiding student crimes to qualify for federal grant money. This is insane if true.

Posted by: Max Power at February 23, 2018 02:52 PM (q177U)

174 145 122 Dropping the snark for just one minute, is anyone else bothered by the near-doxing of this School Resource Officer?
Posted by: Action Jackson is my name. Bold adventure is my game. at February 23, 2018 02:47 PM (0SPyv)

No. Fuck that guy.
Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2018 02:49 PM (NWiLs)


I suppose I would be. But considering that the Democrat-Media complex is gunning for the NRA and law-abiding citizens, and that this Peterson is being protected by a blue wall of unionized cops, the short answer is no.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 23, 2018 02:52 PM (VM6ev)

175 Saw in an earlier thread that Enterprise Rent A Car has decided to no longer offer an NRA discount. They can offer discounts to whomever they choose. However, I will be dropping off a letter to the local Enterprise office that I will no longer rent cars from Enterprise despite good service in the past because they have chosen to play politics.

The letter will also state I am contacting every other organization that has an Enterprise discount and telling them that I will no longer do business with that organization unless they sever their discount relationship with Enterprise. Politics and business don't mix. For example, I am telling AAA that I'm done with them unless they ditch Enterprise. Will be looking to see who else does Enterprise.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at February 23, 2018 02:52 PM (hKi6n)

176 the garland traffic cop that took out the AK-47 jihadist with his handgun proves the point that trained shooter with glock can take out rifle wielder.
Posted by: Saudaukar organizer

Dec 4, 2014
Sgt. Adam Johnson - Austin PD - pistol shot (40 cal) an active shooter from 104 yds away while on horseback and holding his partner's horses' reins. Shooter had an AK47.

Don't fuck with Texas.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 23, 2018 02:52 PM (7OF+y)

177 Do we really want to arm NEA members?

Posted by: JoeF. at February 23, 2018 02:52 PM (7uYFy)

178 *looks with disappointment at my MAC-11*

Yeah, Those haven't been the same since Steve Jobs died.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at February 23, 2018 02:52 PM (tVWQB)

179 They never made the movie Sergeant York. Gary Cooper never existed.

Also, the Allies lost World War II because the Germans had superior firepower in Normandy on D-Day.

Posted by: mercenary13 at February 23, 2018 02:52 PM (7BPEK)

180 *looks with disappointment at my MAC-11*
Posted by: Bert G aka Country Singer

Pfft.
I got me a BIG Mac-11. With fries

Posted by: Bruce at February 23, 2018 02:52 PM (8ikIW)

181 You shouldn't trust Scott Peterson, either

Posted by: Laci P. at February 23, 2018 02:44 PM (XQvuQ)





Tell me about it.







Posted by: Lacey Peterson at February 23, 2018 02:48 PM (hLB6Q)

IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE...
WAIT, THIS IS AN AMY SCHUMER THING, RIGHT?

Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at February 23, 2018 02:52 PM (XQvuQ)

182 164 How about the Sheriff release the surveillance tape?

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/967000145920430081
Posted by: Lizzy at February 23, 2018 02:51 PM (W+vEI)

No, they never release surveillance tape of school shootings.

Well, I shouldn't say n ever, I think the tape of Columbine was released. Definitely not regularly released though.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 23, 2018 02:53 PM (F5+ro)

183 122 Dropping the snark for just one minute, is anyone else bothered by the near-doxing of this School Resource Officer?
Posted by: Action Jackson is my name. Bold adventure is my game. at February 23, 2018 02:47 PM (0SPyv)

Ok, yes and no.

On the one hand, if this was a private citizen who had acted cowardly, and the media was trying to out him and throw all the focus on him, I would agree this was a witch hunt.

On the other hand, this was a fricking public servant. A security theater employee who had ONE FRICKING JOB- TO KEEP THESE KIDS SAFE. He abrogated that responsibility. Flagrantly.

He was trained.

He was armed.

He was on site.

The moment was his for the taking.

He passed.

I have little sympathy.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2018 02:53 PM (ycWCI)

184 The nonsense of the Old West being a place where everyone fought fair is a dime store novel creation - ambushes and back-shooting were the norm. When death is on the line there are no rules.

Posted by: rammajamma at February 23, 2018 02:53 PM (AjNMO)

185 O'Donnell is more than welcome to come play Dodge the Bullet. Show us all how its done.

If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a bullet!

Posted by: Patches O'Houlihan at February 23, 2018 02:53 PM (O5Q3r)

186 Was this security guard a retired county cop?

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at February 23, 2018 02:53 PM (ymnmz)

187 So we NEED to buy AR-15s because it's 3 times faster. Am I getting this right? The left is now encouraging us to buy AR-15s now? This is so confusing...

Posted by: Max Power at February 23, 2018 02:53 PM (q177U)

188 177 Do we really want to arm NEA members?
Posted by: JoeF. at February 23, 2018 02:52 PM (7uYFy)


Abolish the NEA. Problem solved.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 23, 2018 02:53 PM (VM6ev)

189 In our next feature, we'll demonstrate how useless a handgun is against an AR-15 equipped with the dreaded chainsaw bayonet attachment.

Posted by: USA Today at February 23, 2018 02:53 PM (ayUOl)

190 I'm old enough to remember when we couldn't say "cuck" around here because THASS RACISS

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at February 23, 2018 02:53 PM (xN1DB)

191 I think (I hope) that all this along with Trump pushing the agenda will pave the way for schools to not be gun free zones anymore.

Posted by: IC at February 23, 2018 02:53 PM (a0IVu)

192 All results of the lethal, divisive, race based politics of Obama and Holder in concert with the sheriff and the school board.

If its intentional that any run ins with law enforcement are buried and disappeared, you have a spotless record and its a snap to pass a background check!

The SRO was the one who was at ground zero and did all the dirty work. He didn't keep anyone safe the day of the shooting but he laid the groundwork for it for years.


Posted by: flowerbelle1 at February 23, 2018 02:54 PM (AkAvN)

193 The resource officer was chosen because he was good a looking the other way so the crime statistics at the school would look good. He went along and should be pilloried for the bullshit response (NONE ) that he gave.

Posted by: Seems Legit at February 23, 2018 02:54 PM (U+nHb)

194 O'Donnell is right. I dodge sniper fire!

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at February 23, 2018 02:54 PM (txYuS)

195 2182 mph? SR-71 with the hammer down?

Posted by: Burger Chef at February 23, 2018 02:54 PM (RuIsu)

196 173 Someone mentioned in an earlier thread they were covering up and hiding student crimes to qualify for federal grant money. This is insane if true.
Posted by: Max Power at February 23, 2018 02:52 PM (q177U)

Insane? No, it's quite rational. Dishonest, conniving, immoral and repugnant, definitely...but not insane.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2018 02:54 PM (NWiLs)

197 I'm scared!

Posted by: The Broward Coward at February 23, 2018 02:54 PM (BwJGV)

198
Even though these people are ignorant about firearms, the reason the reach such heights of stupidity is they want no opposition (or thinking really) in their quest to eventually confiscate firearms.

They are ideologically bound to come up with something, anything to oppose gun rights even if it is ridiculously illogical.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 23, 2018 02:54 PM (r+sAi)

199 and isn't scot peterson the cop who killed his wife?

Or is that a common name for cops?

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at February 23, 2018 02:52 PM (LWu6U)


I think Scott Peterson is the guy who killed his wife, threw her in the trash and then held the search for her. I think it was the other Peterson who was the cop who killed his wives. But I might have it backwards.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 23, 2018 02:54 PM (8gDQu)

200 how could a single school guard, armed with a conventional weapon, expect to confront & "kill" an individual w/ AK-15 who has methodically plotted an attack?


So Oates proves yet again that even a blind pig finds an acorn now and again. Although even here she misses the point.
If I am allowed to pick the time, place and method of attack, I will be successful 99 times out of 100.
In this case Cruz picked the time, place and method...but given the cascade of failure, it's almost as if he were allowed to. And then the damn SRO didn't do his job. If he had, this attack would have been mostly foiled.

Posted by: Diogenes at February 23, 2018 02:55 PM (0tfLf)

201 Feckless coward =/= 'good guy'

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 23, 2018 02:55 PM (oVJmc)

202 What a dumbass everybody knows Checkov used a phaser
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at February 23, 2018 02:44 PM (lKyWE)

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Did you never see "Spectre of the Gun"?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at February 23, 2018 02:55 PM (h/uSM)

203 197 I'm scared!
Posted by: The Broward Coward at February 23, 2018 02:54 PM (BwJGV)


Quick-withdraw McGrawful.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 23, 2018 02:55 PM (VM6ev)

204 No. Fuck that guy.Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2018 02:49 PM (NWiLs) He's a Hero to the commies, solet him live by the rules they impose on deplorables. Doxx away, graffiti his house, who cares. He's still getting his pension.

Posted by: kallisto at February 23, 2018 02:55 PM (Iz8Py)

205
I'll do all the disappearin' around here, Baba-Louie!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 23, 2018 02:55 PM (VM6ev)

206 I keep waiting for somebody on Twitter to break out Zeno's Paradox to explain why only cops should have guns.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at February 23, 2018 02:55 PM (RD7QR)

207 176. He was nearly cited for disciplinary and training deficiency, but since he took that shot at night, he was given a pass.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at February 23, 2018 02:55 PM (fA1SL)

208 Dropping the snark for just one minute, is anyone else bothered by the near-doxing of this School Resource Officer?
=====

As much as I despise doxxing, what part of 'public servant' don't we understand. We pay the salary, benefits, and retirement for these public employees.

No, it doesn't bother me.

Posted by: mustbequantum at February 23, 2018 02:55 PM (MIKMs)

209 Stop school shootings everybody home school. Everybody.

Posted by: Simplemind at February 23, 2018 02:55 PM (iDh3x)

210
The teachers union will fight arming teachers for a simple reason; gun owners tend to be on the conservative side of the political spectrum. The union and the left has a lock on public schools and letting some conservatives around to save their asses?

They'd rather die.

Posted by: Acme Explosives at February 23, 2018 02:56 PM (2FqvZ)

211 John Limpwood doesn't understand the gun has to leave the holster to be of use. This takes a willing hand and a conscious mind. Something Limpwood doesn't have a clue.

Posted by: torabora at February 23, 2018 02:56 PM (K0z2U)

212 Now, it seems he was out taking a well-deserved smoke break, but had he been doing his job, he would have cautiously approached the shooter from a behind sort of angle and taken the not-so-difficult trick shot of shooing someone unaware right in his fucking back.

Cruz was hardly an unarmed drunk crawling on his hands and knees. C'mon, man; think!

Posted by: Big McLargehuge Mk I at February 23, 2018 02:56 PM (u9OP6)

213 209 Stop school shootings everybody home school. Everybody.
Posted by: Simplemind at February 23, 2018 02:55 PM (iDh3x)

but there are many more shootings in the home, than in schools...

sooooo....

Posted by: Don Q'Bot at February 23, 2018 02:56 PM (NgKpN)

214 Can you blame the security guard? If the shooter had time to prepare and plan his attack out, he probably had aimhacks on as well, which the security guard obviously didn't do. It'd have just been suicide to try to go against something like that.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at February 23, 2018 02:46 PM (KUaJL)



Are you kidding me with this? Maybe you are missing your sarcasm tag. I do blame him. 100%. Craven man.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 23, 2018 02:56 PM (hLB6Q)

215 173 Someone mentioned in an earlier thread they were covering up and hiding student crimes to qualify for federal grant money. This is insane if true.
Posted by: Max Power at February 23, 2018 02:52 PM (q177U)


"Disparate impact" strikes again.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 23, 2018 02:56 PM (YqDXo)

216 Well, that .0001% happened, and this guy who has collected a salary at
that school for god knows how long on the off chance that something like
this happened froze up.
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But at least he got home safe and can collect his pension.

Posted by: Methos at February 23, 2018 02:57 PM (XQvuQ)

217 If the speed of the bullets matters, then we need Jerry Miculek to train the armed guards and teachers, because I heard someone say he shoots bullets faster than anybody.

Posted by: Qoheleth at February 23, 2018 02:57 PM (iIzG7)

218 Ralph Peters about to be on FBN arguing to ban "assault" weapons. Such a patriot.

Posted by: Holier than Thou Asshole Bot at February 23, 2018 02:57 PM (SkuXa)

219 The media is missing the story. How many schools have someone from the police department on site? Why did Broward need one, just as Miami Dade Schools has it's own police department?

The purpose of this guard was not to arrest students, but to cover for them. It's why there was a delay on the security tape.
They had a policy of sending kids to the PROMISE program, and not to jail(again so numerous that they needed their own police to sort it out).
Without this, Cruz would have been in jail, the warning would not have been 'missed', the guard would have been willing to answer questions from social services, and his background check when buying the gun would have come up DENIED.

Posted by: MikeN at February 23, 2018 02:57 PM (o/eHL)

220 This Chekhov hypothesis can be evaluated. Every day thousands of everyday people are at gun ranges actively using guns.

Surely that would put a ceiling on the danger level of fewer guns, not actually being used by anyone.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at February 23, 2018 02:57 PM (h/uSM)

221 M1911.
Sometime old, fat and slow is just fine.

Posted by: Diogenes at February 23, 2018 02:57 PM (0tfLf)

222 When death is on the line there are no rules.
Posted by: rammajamma at February 23, 2018 02:53 PM (AjNMO)

That is true, also don't get involved in a land war in Asia

Posted by: Vizzini at February 23, 2018 02:57 PM (txYuS)

223 No MS - 13 member has EVER been shot in aschool shooting. EVER S A.

Posted by: MS - 13 at February 23, 2018 02:57 PM (K0z2U)

224 Lawrence O'Donnell is confused because he finishes 3x quicker than his wife's boyfriend and she tells him it's better.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at February 23, 2018 02:57 PM (KUaJL)

225 208 Dropping the snark for just one minute, is anyone else bothered by the near-doxing of this School Resource Officer?"

I wouldn't mind if he was hung, drawn, and quartered.

Pour encourageur les autres, of course.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 23, 2018 02:57 PM (k1TUh)

226 He was trained.

He was armed.

He was on site.

The moment was his for the taking.

He passed.

I have little sympathy.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2018 02:53 PM (ycWCI)


And he was paid. By the county. For years. To stand around and do nothing. ON THE OFF CHANCE that something like this happened.

Millions of dollars over decades (or however long the school has had SRO's) spent. Just in case.

Well, the incredibly unlikely event happened, and it turns out that it made no fucking difference that this guy was there, because instead of sacking up and being a man, he froze and listened to teenagers being slaughtered instead of doing his job.

And I have to say, I imagine 99 out of 100 pistol packing non-cops would have run towards the gun fire if they knew every shot meant a dead kid and would not have hid outside.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 23, 2018 02:57 PM (F5+ro)

227 214 Can you blame the security guard? If the shooter had time to prepare and plan his attack out, he probably had aimhacks on as well, which the security guard obviously didn't do. It'd have just been suicide to try to go against something like that.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at February 23, 2018 02:46 PM (KUaJL)



Are you kidding me with this? Maybe you are missing your sarcasm tag. I do blame him. 100%. Craven man.
Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 23, 2018 02:56 PM (hLB6Q)

Easy gorilla, it's a joke. See bold text above.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2018 02:57 PM (NWiLs)

228 O'Donnell may not be so dumb as to not get that bullet speed is irrelevant here. If so, it's because he thinks his viewers are.

Sorry 'ettes. But this is the kind of practical math that most guys get, and many women don't. MSMNBC skews female. He's playing them.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 23, 2018 02:58 PM (n+6mJ)

229 Maybe I can outrun that .45 ACP. It's only 900 FPS.

Posted by: The Bad Guy at February 23, 2018 02:58 PM (vtcmf)

230
I heard some emo dude on Rush crying: DO WE REALLY NEED ALL THESE GUNS?


Note to Emo: How many guns killed those students?

(Hint: It's a one digit value less than 300,000,000.)

Posted by: kallisto at February 23, 2018 02:58 PM (Iz8Py)

231 Never trust a guy who is missing a "t" in Scott. He's probably missing other things too.



Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 23, 2018 02:42 PM (hLB6Q)




Well, he was obviously suffering from "Low T".

Posted by: Bert G aka Country Singer at February 23, 2018 02:58 PM (uiwCw)

232 I have little sympathy.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2018 02:53 PM (ycWCI)


OK, but the guy probably has family etc. I mean, it isnt as though I'm crying for him. But every person that gets sucked into the maelstrom of shit is not an island unto themseves, and that person's family and friends did nothing wrong. This guy offs himself, that's one more body, to no effect, another bunch of people go to another pointless funeral.

So, yay.. Some dumbshit gets punished and his kids live with it. Shit like this life in the internet age. Hope it makes everybody feel good.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 23, 2018 02:58 PM (CPk08)

233 The police have no duty to protect any individual. The only way the sheriff deputy will be held accountable is if there was a specific policy of his department that he violated.

See-
Warren vs DC
Linda Riss vs The City of New York
Ballisteri vs Pacifica PD
Castle Rock vs Gonzales

Posted by: You're in hell, the world ended at February 23, 2018 02:58 PM (xGZ+b)

234 Posted by: rickb223 at February 23, 2018 02:52 PM (7OF+y)

And when they cant shoot they will blow you up.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 23, 2018 02:58 PM (4lzWT)

235 I've heard that bullet proof backpacks are selling very well do to the shooting. Didn't even know they existed. They should include an escape rope for kids stuck on the second floor.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 23, 2018 02:58 PM (2LelM)

236 Another example of the media using a tragedy to push The Narrative.

Posted by: Surfperch at February 23, 2018 02:58 PM (BwJGV)

237 Can you blame the security guard? If the shooter had
time to prepare and plan his attack out, he probably had aimhacks on as
well, which the security guard obviously didn't do. It'd have just been
suicide to try to go against something like that.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at February 23, 2018 02:46 PM (KUaJL)







Are you kidding me with this? Maybe you are missing your sarcasm tag. I do blame him. 100%. Craven man.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 23, 2018

-------------------------------

I think that was a joke on people who learn about guns from video games.


Posted by: irright at February 23, 2018 02:58 PM (pMGkg)

238 Lawrence what, of Arabia? I don't like the name Lawrence, only faggots and sailors are named Lawrence.

Posted by: Gunnery Sgt. Hartman at February 23, 2018 02:58 PM (cnrwJ)

239 If you want a hilarious opinion as to why teachers shouldn't be armed, this article from Above the Law's Elie Mystal is pretty ripe. https://tinyurl.com/ybaufh22

Posted by: GrandBandWagoneer at February 23, 2018 02:58 PM (V7o2V)

240
*looks with disappointment at my MAC-11*
Posted by: Bert G aka Country Singer


MAC the knife.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 23, 2018 02:58 PM (IqV8l)

241 >>I suppose I would be. But considering that the Democrat-Media complex is gunning for the NRA and law-abiding citizens, and that this Peterson is being protected by a blue wall of unionized cops, the short answer is no.


Yeah, they were telling people like Rubio he had blood on his hands and protecting the *one guy* on campus who had a gun and the authority to use it in exactly this kind of emergency. I don't wish him or his family harm, but I'm not sure why he alone should be shielded from the angry mob while his boss the Sheriff goes on CNN and directs to angry mob to the NRA and politicians.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 23, 2018 02:58 PM (W+vEI)

242 217 If the speed of the bullets matters, then we need Jerry Miculek to train the armed guards and teachers, because I heard someone say he shoots bullets faster than anybody.
Posted by: Qoheleth at February 23, 2018 02:57 PM (iIzG7)

That sumbitch just ain't human.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2018 02:59 PM (NWiLs)

243 Looks like the Gates indictment/ guilty plea includes language that lets the Podesta group off the hook, shockingly.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 23, 2018 02:59 PM (wdmm9)

244 The teachers union will fight arming teachers for a simple reason; gun owners tend to be on the conservative side of the political spectrum. The union and the left has a lock on public schools and letting some conservatives around to save their asses?
They'd rather die.

more precisely, they'd rather continue to be able to run away while other people's kids died. And still get paid.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 23, 2018 02:59 PM (k1TUh)

245 how could a single school guard, armed with a conventional weapon,
expect to confront "kill" an individual w/ AK-15 who has
methodically plotted an attack?


Somehow, to Simpleton Oates, 'AK-15' is some mystical superweapon (since there's no such thing as an 'AK-15,' maybe she's right).

And a handgun is 'conventional.'

Both could be firing the same caliber, both semi-automatic.

But she's been hysterically programmed to think that an AR is a super-powered smart weapon.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 23, 2018 02:59 PM (oVJmc)

246

"SERPENTINE, LAWRENCE! SERPENTINE!!!!"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton
________________________

I would be happy to give him a few pointers due to my extensive sniper fire dodging past...

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at February 23, 2018 02:59 PM (mPeei)

247 But at least he got home safe and can collect his pension.




He was two days from retirement...

Posted by: That Movie Trope about the Police Detective at February 23, 2018 02:59 PM (QQ+il)

248 http://bit.ly/2FvgYRr
-----------
Trump Sent $10K to a Father With Cancer-- Now His Son Just Got Another Huge Gift in the Mail
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another 5 grand ! BUT TRUMP SAID DOODY !

Posted by: DeploraBOT at February 23, 2018 02:59 PM (y3aQB)

249 But at least he got home safe and can collect his pension.
Posted by: Methos at February 23, 2018 02:57 PM (XQvuQ)

You're right. That is, after all, all that matters.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 23, 2018 02:59 PM (F5+ro)

250 The same students who gave him an "2016 Best" award are the ones he left to die.

Posted by: subhuman taxpayer at February 23, 2018 03:00 PM (SWo/2)

251 Remember when rifles were okay but handguns were tools of Satan? Good times.

Actually, the Atlantic has an article about how the wounds from an AR-15 are so much worse that no citizen should have them.

Posted by: WOPR (Russian BOTS are pikers) at February 23, 2018 03:00 PM (J70i0)

252 So the shooter had time to prepare and plan his attack, and Broward County has no planning or preparations for it's personnel on how to respond to an active shooter situation? And that's why Barney Fife didn't engage the shooter?

Posted by: WTF! at February 23, 2018 03:00 PM (EJZ4y)

253 Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 23, 2018

Sorry dude. Apparently it's too hard to say something dumb enough to parody leftists.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at February 23, 2018 03:00 PM (KUaJL)

254 If you fire a pistol with a stabbing motion like in the movies, the bullets will travel faster.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 23, 2018 03:00 PM (wdmm9)

255 Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 23, 2018 02:58 PM (CPk08

As I posted before, this SRO is down on the list on who is at fault for the people killed. The shooter being on top of the list.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 23, 2018 03:00 PM (4lzWT)

256 I wonder if the kids at elite private schools are protected by armed security

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at February 23, 2018 03:00 PM (h/uSM)

257 If the speed of the bullets matters, then we need Jerry Miculek to train the armed guards and teachers, because I heard someone say he shoots bullets faster than anybody.
Posted by: Qoheleth at February 23, 2018 02:57 PM (iIzG7)

That sumbitch just ain't human.
Posted by: Insomniac


Trust me. He's good. No doubt.
But he's not using out of the box guns.
His are heavily modified.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 23, 2018 03:01 PM (7OF+y)

258 162 M249 SAW for the win.

Right... until I pull out my Z101 and flip the selector switch to rock-n-roll

Posted by: Bacon Jeff at February 23, 2018 03:01 PM (VGRuw)

259 MR. CHEKHOV, YOUR GUN PLEASE.

Posted by: Bearded Spock at February 23, 2018 03:01 PM (oVJmc)

260 221 M1911.
Sometime old, fat and slow is just fine.
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Old, fat and slow produces the best wound channels. Pigs bleed out faster.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 23, 2018 03:01 PM (2LelM)

261 248 http://bit.ly/2FvgYRr
-----------
Trump Sent $10K to a Father With Cancer-- Now His Son Just Got Another Huge Gift in the Mail
-----
another 5 grand ! BUT TRUMP SAID DOODY !
Posted by: DeploraBOT at February 23, 2018 02:59 PM (y3aQB)

Yeah, but Romney gave him the cancer in the first place with his oncogenic eye beams.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2018 03:01 PM (NWiLs)

262 Good guy with a gun? No. There was a donut sucking taxpayer funded parasite counting down the days until he could collect his pension, who refused to do the job he was being paid for, precisely at the time when when his job requirements demanded he give the full last measure that he took an oath to perform.

Posted by: BluesFish at February 23, 2018 03:01 PM (V4Wjo)

263 The fuq is an AK-15?

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at February 23, 2018 03:01 PM (juCZM)

264 Actually, the Atlantic has an article about how the wounds from an AR-15 are so much worse that no citizen should have them.
Posted by: WOPR (Russian BOTS are pikers) at February 23, 2018 03:00 PM (J70i0)


They are. Small bullet, but lots of energy. Much cavitation.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 23, 2018 03:02 PM (wdmm9)

265 222 When death is on the line there are no rules.
Posted by: rammajamma at February 23, 2018 02:53 PM (AjNMO)


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except knifefights

Posted by: Butch Cassidy at February 23, 2018 03:02 PM (h/uSM)

266 I pity the fool...

Posted by: Mr. Low T at February 23, 2018 03:02 PM (QQ+il)

267 217 & 242. * examines last name - Miculek *

Slavic master race thesis continues to be confirmed. Glory to Russian bear!

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at February 23, 2018 03:02 PM (fA1SL)

268 And I have to say, I imagine 99 out of 100 pistol packing non-cops would have run towards the gun fire if they knew every shot meant a dead kid and would not have hid outside.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 23, 2018 02:57 PM (F5+ro)

Hell, I'll bet there'd be a number of UNARMED folks that would go do what they could. Two or three guys manage to get close enough and a bum rush on a kid with a gun and someone is gonna get to him intact. Potentially skull stomp him, but at the very least you're gonna slow him down.

Already told my wife that if she and the kids were safe, or not in the area I'd try to stop something bad from going down, and I ain't even getting paid to do it.

Posted by: Inventive at February 23, 2018 03:02 PM (pnaDl)

269 Actually, the Atlantic has an article about how the wounds from an AR-15 are so much worse that no citizen should have them.
Posted by: WOPR



*cough 12 ga "00" buck cough*

Posted by: rickb223 at February 23, 2018 03:02 PM (7OF+y)

270 Will Sessions visit Broward County?

Probably not.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/yd286zfp
Posted by: Under Fire at February 23, 2018 02:41
PM (r9UYA)

The DOJ needs to investigate Dade and Broward County LEO and School Superintendents for corruption. Their policy of not arresting High School students-- even for violent crimes-- in order to qualify for state and federal grants is probably why the Broward law enforcement did nothing about Cruz in spite of all the warnings.

Posted by: girldog at February 23, 2018 03:02 PM (g5YYQ)

271 The police are not required to step up and protect anybody as a matter of law. THAT is why I am armed, look into Castle Rock vs. Gonzales. You can't count on the police to defend anybody but them-self. Police officers have died in the line of duty but there is nothing compelling them to come to anyones defense.

Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at February 23, 2018 03:02 PM (0OmEj)

272 227 214 Can you blame the security guard? If the shooter had time to prepare and plan his attack out, he probably had aimhacks on as well, which the security guard obviously didn't do. It'd have just been suicide to try to go against something like that.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at February 23, 2018 02:46 PM (KUaJL)



Are you kidding me with this? Maybe you are missing your sarcasm tag. I do blame him. 100%. Craven man.
Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 23, 2018 02:56 PM (hLB6Q)

Easy gorilla, it's a joke. See bold text above.
Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2018 02:57 PM (NWiLs)

lol
I don't know what aimhacks are. I figured they were some gun kind of thing. I don't have a lot of gun knowledge. So glad to know it was sarcasm. (Now laughing at self...went off like a rocket...maybe I should mention this to Marcie.)

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 23, 2018 03:03 PM (hLB6Q)

273 Trust me. He's good. No doubt.
But he's not using out of the box guns.
His are heavily modified.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 23, 2018 03:01 PM (7OF+y)

Of course, his competition guns are highly customized. But modifications don't account for his almost invisible to the naked eye revolver reloads, or 1000 yard pistol shots.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2018 03:03 PM (NWiLs)

274
So, yay.. Some dumbshit gets punished and his kids live with it. Shit like this life in the internet age. Hope it makes everybody feel good.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 23, 2018 02:58 PM (CPk0

No, we as a culture should always name and shame cowards.

It's the only thing that will keep us from becoming a nation of cowards. If we reward bravery and shame cowardice.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 23, 2018 03:03 PM (F5+ro)

275 So, yay.. Some dumbshit gets punished and his kids live with it. Shit like this life in the internet age. Hope it makes everybody feel good.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 23, 2018 02:58 PM (CPk0

Granted.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2018 03:03 PM (ycWCI)

276 Oh, my, Jennifer Lawrence O'Donnell.

Posted by: Bearded Spock at February 23, 2018 03:03 PM (oVJmc)

277 If you fire a pistol with a stabbing motion like in the movies, the bullets will travel faster.

If you hold it sideways like in the rap videos, the bullets will curve.

Posted by: tu3031 at February 23, 2018 03:03 PM (O5Q3r)

278 I think Scott Peterson is the guy who killed his wife, threw her in the
trash and then held the search for her. I think it was the other
Peterson who was the cop who killed his wives. But I might have it
backwards.
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I think Andrew Peterson was the cop with the harsh prenup.

Posted by: Methos at February 23, 2018 03:03 PM (XQvuQ)

279 When death is on the line there are no rules.

Posted by: rammajamma


--

Something, something, two front war and Sicilians.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 23, 2018 03:03 PM (7ZVPa)

280 Posted by: rickb223 at February 23, 2018 03:01 PM (7OF+y)M

I aspire to shoot as good as his daughter.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 23, 2018 03:04 PM (4lzWT)

281 >>Well, I shouldn't say n ever, I think the tape of Columbine was released. Definitely not regularly released though.


Oh, I just meant the part they used to confirm he was on campus and "took up a position outside." I don't want them to release footage of Cruz shooting students ( ). It was just funny how the sheriff said he was "absolutely" on campus. Oh, OK, now I'm thinking maybe not, guy who withheld this and ginned up anger at the NRA, I'm thinking you don't want us to see him cowering or something just as embarrassing.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 23, 2018 03:04 PM (W+vEI)

282 The broward coward didn't want to be the guy shot "one day before retirement". He could have died a hero, but instead let the kids do that for him.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 23, 2018 03:04 PM (wdmm9)

283 254 If you fire a pistol with a stabbing motion like in the movies, the bullets will travel faster.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 23, 2018 03:00 PM (wdmm9)

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Faster still if you're galloping forward on horseback.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at February 23, 2018 03:04 PM (cnrwJ)

284 I'd save children, but not the British children.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2018 03:04 PM (NWiLs)

285 When ambushed, flank and attack.

If you can't flank, then attack.

It sucks to have to be the guy who soaks up bullets but that's your obligation if you sign up to be a guard or a cop. At least you have a weapon.

Posted by: torabora at February 23, 2018 03:04 PM (K0z2U)

286 "Stop school shootings everybody home school. Everybody."

The California legislature has already foreseen that ploy, and is taking steps to stop it: http://tinyurl.com/y76os8zs


Posted by: Qoheleth at February 23, 2018 03:04 PM (iIzG7)

287 if they knew every shot meant a dead kid and would not have hid outside.

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anyone know how many rounds the killer fired? useful to know in those its-a-super-killer-gun arguments.

Posted by: Butch Cassidy at February 23, 2018 03:04 PM (h/uSM)

288 274
So, yay.. Some dumbshit gets punished and his kids live with it. Shit like this life in the internet age. Hope it makes everybody feel good.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 23, 2018 02:58 PM (CPk0

That's called life.

Posted by: Country Boy binge watches Alaska State Troopers at February 23, 2018 03:04 PM (TXMX/)

289 lol
I don't know what aimhacks are. I figured they were some gun kind of thing. I don't have a lot of gun knowledge. So glad to know it was sarcasm. (Now laughing at self...went off like a rocket...maybe I should mention this to Marcie.)
Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 23, 2018 03:03 PM (hLB6Q)

Aim hacks are cheats used in Video games... so you won't miss...

Posted by: Don Q'Bot at February 23, 2018 03:04 PM (NgKpN)

290 283 254 If you fire a pistol with a stabbing motion like in the movies, the bullets will travel faster.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 23, 2018 03:00 PM (wdmm9)

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Faster still if you're galloping forward on horseback.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at February 23, 2018 03:04 PM (cnrwJ)

Ride too fast and you'll hit yourself with your own bullet.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2018 03:04 PM (NWiLs)

291 true about 2.4 "mass murder" (more than 4) school deaths per year occurred in the last 35 years. There are some 50 million students, so we should do nothing? Yet the campaign has been all about Do Something!!!

If 20% of teachers can't handle a little training and a gun locked in their locked closet, then we need to fire more teachers. (and we should fire more). Even if we save no lives by arming teachers, we train a citizenry to accept citizens with guns.

Of course in Waco the FBI used guns, but mostly gas and fire to murder women and children. But even Trump is having trouble dealing with a villainous FBI ... so giving up guns to make some liberals happy ... Bad Idea (remember "Bad Idea Jeans" from SNL? lol)

Posted by: illiniwek at February 23, 2018 03:05 PM (bT8Z4)

292 Hell, I'll bet there'd be a number of UNARMED folks that would go do what they could. Two or three guys manage to get close enough and a bum rush on a kid with a gun and someone is gonna get to him intact. Potentially skull stomp him, but at the very least you're gonna slow him down.

Already told my wife that if she and the kids were safe, or not in the area I'd try to stop something bad from going down, and I ain't even getting paid to do it.
Posted by: Inventive at February 23, 2018 03:02 PM (pnaDl)


This is something I've thought about more and more as I've gotten older. I'd like to think that I would leap into action and try something heroic, but I've never been close to any situation as dire as something like that, so I really don't know how I'd react.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at February 23, 2018 03:05 PM (KUaJL)

293 lol
I don't know what aimhacks are. I figured they were some gun kind of thing. I don't have a lot of gun knowledge. So glad to know it was sarcasm. (Now laughing at self...went off like a rocket...maybe I should mention this to Marcie.)
Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 23, 2018 03:03 PM (hLB6Q)

Video game hack that will make it so you won't or are far less likely to miss.

Posted by: WOPR (Russian BOTS are pikers) at February 23, 2018 03:05 PM (J70i0)

294 Ride too fast and you'll hit yourself with your own bullet.


Only if you stop.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 23, 2018 03:05 PM (QQ+il)

295 I don't know what aimhacks are.




Video game bullshit.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 23, 2018 03:05 PM (7OF+y)

296 Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2018 03:04 PM (NWiLs)

Do you eat opponent's brains?

Posted by: The Deplorable Mr. Trumpkin at February 23, 2018 03:05 PM (wwd4n)

297 So, yay.. Some dumbshit gets punished and his kids live with it. Shit like this life in the internet age. Hope it makes everybody feel good.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 23, 2018 02:58 PM (CPk0

That's called life.
Posted by: Country Boy binge watches Alaska State Troopers at February 23, 2018 03:04 PM (TXMX/)

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He made a decision and now he and his family have to live with it. Tough shit.

Posted by: Seems Legit at February 23, 2018 03:05 PM (U+nHb)

298 286 "Stop school shootings everybody home school. Everybody."

The California legislature has already foreseen that ploy, and is taking steps to stop it: http://tinyurl.com/y76os8zs


Posted by: Qoheleth at February 23, 2018 03:04 PM (iIzG7)

Those cocksuckers have been pushing for that for years, and now the Turpin case gives them more political cover.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2018 03:05 PM (NWiLs)

299
A liberal's dream: A deputy who won't shoot at an armed gunman.

Fixed.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 23, 2018 03:05 PM (BWL+E)

300 If you can't hit the shooter, just throw rounds his way until the cavalry arrives. Jeebus, we need to make all cops watch Roy Rogers films.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 23, 2018 03:05 PM (2LelM)

301

Laura Ingraham had a security guard on her show who followed through on and overheard conversation, and no doubt stopped another school shooting.

Here is the video. This is exactly what needs to be done. Prevent it.

Security officer describes stopping possible school shooting


https://video.foxnews.com/v/5738966876001/?#sp=show-clips

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 23, 2018 03:05 PM (fceHP)

302 If you do not believe me, look it up: Government agencies have no legal obligation to discharge the duty for which we pay them. It is just that simple. It doesn't matter whether the duty is police protection, water service or trash pick-up. Again, look it up. I know this, because I've defended government agencies in court.

Once more: Look it up.

Posted by: RS at February 23, 2018 03:05 PM (CNQqJ)

303 He has to change mags some time, rush him and smoke him, at least draw his fire.

Posted by: The Jackhole Somewhere on Ventura Highway at February 23, 2018 03:06 PM (M+Lyo)

304 296 Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2018 03:04 PM (NWiLs)

Do you eat opponent's brains?
Posted by: The Deplorable Mr. Trumpkin at February 23, 2018 03:05 PM (wwd4n)

Yes. I also invented cocaine.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2018 03:06 PM (NWiLs)

305 BTW, when ppl whine about how teachers wouldn't have the training to handle situations like this, you can mention this:

In Louisiana, you can't CC in a church without the permission of the church and additional training.

Not just CC training, but 8 hours PER YEAR of specialized training, including subjects like "Shooting in Crowded Spaces".

"Joe teacher isn't prepared!" as an excuse seems to preclude that Joe could ever learn something, which doesn't seem like a good thing in a teacher.

Posted by: Mama AJ at February 23, 2018 03:06 PM (mtfdF)

306 Argyle HS in Texas has armed teachers since Sandy Hook. All teachers volunteering required physiological and gun handling and safety courses.

Posted by: subhuman taxpayer at February 23, 2018 03:06 PM (SWo/2)

307 Hell, I'll bet there'd be a number of UNARMED folks that would go do
what they could. Two or three guys manage to get close enough and a bum
rush on a kid with a gun and someone is gonna get to him intact.
Potentially skull stomp him, but at the very least you're gonna slow him
down.
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Hmmmm. I do think that there is a movie directed by Clint Eastwood out now with how unarmed people swarmed a shooter with a gun. Even using the unarmed people as actors taking down a man with a scary gun.

Posted by: mustbequantum at February 23, 2018 03:06 PM (MIKMs)

308 M249 SAW for the win.




Posted by: irright at February 23, 2018 02:51 PM (pMGkg)


Real PITA for clearing buildings, even with a collapsible stock and shortened barrel. Trust me on this.

Posted by: Bert G aka Country Singer at February 23, 2018 03:06 PM (uiwCw)

309 It is not doxxing to report a tax payer paid employee. If he wanted privacy, he should have not taken a job in the PUBLIC sector.

This is a gross misuse of the term. It is reporting, not doxxing. Doxxing is when you make public a private person going about their business for spite.

Reporting is when you identify public employees to the public for accountability.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at February 23, 2018 03:06 PM (LWu6U)

310 No, we as a culture should always name and shame cowards.

It's the only thing that will keep us from becoming a nation of cowards. If we reward bravery and shame cowardice.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 23, 2018 03:03 PM (F5+ro)


I think that people were brave before the internet existed too. ...


forget it. This is a stupid discussion. People will do what they like anyway.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 23, 2018 03:06 PM (CPk08)

311 256 I wonder if the kids at elite private schools are protected by armed securityPosted by: Buzzsaw90 at February 23, 2018 03:00 PM (h/uSM) Philadelphia School District has its own police force , but the commies are ignoring this factoid from one of their star indoctrination centers.

Posted by: kallisto at February 23, 2018 03:06 PM (Iz8Py)

312 The two sides have nothing but contempt for each other.

Be sure to get to the polls. We need to keep winning elections. Our rights will not be respected by our adversaries if we lose.

Posted by: Revenant at February 23, 2018 03:07 PM (yXLbm)

313 303 He has to change mags some time, rush him and smoke him, at least draw his fire.
Posted by: The Jackhole Somewhere on Ventura Highway at February 23, 2018 03:06 PM (M+Lyo)

Or keep him suppressed so others can escape.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2018 03:07 PM (NWiLs)

314 anyone know how many rounds the killer fired? useful to know in those its-a-super-killer-gun arguments.
Posted by: Butch Cassidy at February 23, 2018 03:04 PM (h/uSM)

We'll probably never know the real answer to that, but suffice to say he had several minutes of time and unarmed targets.

Think of what Oswald did with a bolt action rifle in like 3 seconds (granted, he had a magic bullet and help from the grassy knoll, but still...). Imagine what someone could do in multiple MINUTES with any firearm.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 23, 2018 03:07 PM (F5+ro)

315 In the quickdraw and deadly fire arena I think I would have to go with Bob Munden. That guy was superhuman.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 23, 2018 03:07 PM (8gDQu)

316 Seems to me that no teacher is trained to be a bullet shield for kids either.

Posted by: Axebot at February 23, 2018 03:07 PM (vDqXW)

317 What if you're traveling at the speed of light and fire your gun in the direction you're traveling.

Do the bullets go faster than the speed of light?

Posted by: Al Einstein, Princeton University at February 23, 2018 03:07 PM (ATVNj)

318 I noted this morning to expect the BS meme "how could the cop go up against military equipment like the Ar15."

I also asked experienced Horde gunners. Those who answered saw some advantage to your typical Glock cop pistol over the Ar15 in close quarters.

As I've said before, I'd pick the fast-reloading 17 round 9mm Glock 17 over the Ar15, were I to go mass shooting. Many have.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 23, 2018 03:07 PM (n+6mJ)

319 He was on site.
The moment was his for the taking.
He passed.
I have little sympathy.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2018 02:53 PM (ycWCI)

We all have moments for which we seem placed in a certain place at a certain time for cosmic reasons. If this was his, and he passed, he is accountable to someone greater than I for that. I wonder how he's sleeping at night.

And considering the media doxxed a lady for a FB site about Trump, no, doxxing a security guard that bungled is job is no longer beyond the pale. The left keeps changing the rules. So be it.

Posted by: LizLem at February 23, 2018 03:08 PM (hvf9s)

320 308 M249 SAW for the win.




Posted by: irright at February 23, 2018 02:51 PM (pMGkg)

Real PITA for clearing buildings, even with a collapsible stock and shortened barrel. Trust me on this.
Posted by: Bert G aka Country Singer at February 23, 2018 03:06 PM (uiwCw)

Not exactly ideal for close quarters.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2018 03:08 PM (NWiLs)

321 Good guy with a gun? No. There was a donut sucking taxpayer funded parasite counting down the days until he could collect his pension, who refused to do the job he was being paid for, precisely at the time when when his job requirements demanded he give the full last measure that he took an oath to perform.
Posted by: BluesFish at February 23, 2018 03:01 PM (V4Wjo)

Craven guy with a gun.

I'm surprised the left hasn't brought him an emotional support animal, coloring books, and started a go-fund me page.

What really makes me shudder is he had to know some of these kids. They weren't strangers.

And as I said before, my tipping point into deep anger came when I read he refused info to Social Services on this nut job. So he had a double duty to help. So much blood on his hands. So much. And I have severe doubts he even cares.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 23, 2018 03:08 PM (hLB6Q)

322 *cough 12 ga "00" buck cough*
Posted by: rickb223 at February 23, 2018 03:02 PM (7OF+y)

Yeah but the AR-15 is the Devil's Tool right now. Who cares what a shotgun will do.

Posted by: WOPR (Russian BOTS are pikers) at February 23, 2018 03:08 PM (J70i0)

323 anyone know how many rounds the killer fired? useful to know in those its-a-super-killer-gun arguments.

AK-15s will kill you if you just look at them. Or even think about them. Sally Kohn told me.

Posted by: tu3031 at February 23, 2018 03:08 PM (O5Q3r)

324 The Parkland School sheriff's deputy was:
1. Old and near retirement?
2. It was a shitty assignment? The deputy was a problem so he was stuck there?
3. It was a cushy assignment? The deputy was connected and this was an award?

Come on news media and give us some answers!

Posted by: Jolo at February 23, 2018 03:08 PM (WrMOC)

325 Think of what Oswald did with a bolt action rifle in like 3 seconds (granted, he had a magic bullet and help from the grassy knoll, but still...).

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 23, 2018 03:07 PM (F5+ro)
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Did he get that magic bullet from the Illuminati?

Posted by: Axebot at February 23, 2018 03:08 PM (vDqXW)

326 Distracting a shooter with gun fire seems to be a means to at the very least slow him down.

Posted by: Seems Legit at February 23, 2018 03:09 PM (U+nHb)

327 Already told my wife that if she and the kids were safe, or not in the area I'd try to stop something bad from going down, and I ain't even getting paid to do it.

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i don't want to die with an entry wound in the back

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at February 23, 2018 03:09 PM (h/uSM)

328 And considering the media doxxed a lady for a FB site about Trump, no, doxxing a security guard that bungled is job is no longer beyond the pale. The left keeps changing the rules. So be it.
Posted by: LizLem at February 23, 2018 03:08 PM (hvf9s)

He was NOT A SECURITY GUARD!! HE WAS A SHERIFF'S DEPUTY!

Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2018 03:09 PM (NWiLs)

329 This is something I've thought about more and more as I've gotten older. I'd like to think that I would leap into action and try something heroic, but I've never been close to any situation as dire as something like that, so I really don't know how I'd react.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at February 23, 2018 03:05 PM (KUaJL)

Oh, I can't guarantee it, there's a chance I'd shit my pants and walk away. But I'd like to think that having made the conscious decision prior to anything happening that I'd man up and go for it.

I'm not sure I could live with myself if I walked away... and I know where I'm going if attempting the hero route fails. Either way, I'd rather not have to find out what my decision would be...

Posted by: Inventive at February 23, 2018 03:09 PM (pnaDl)

330 I'm pretty sure I would speak for most people if I told the Atlantic you generally don't want any kind of a bullet wound. The paper cut generation of today might not survive a pellet gun incident.

Posted by: rammajamma at February 23, 2018 03:09 PM (AjNMO)

331 so I really don't know how I'd react.
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Nobody does until they're there and I wouldn't blame anyone for freezing for a moment but I pray to God I could shame myself into doing something (especially if I was armed) at some point over 5 minutes of listening to kids being shot.

Posted by: Holier than Thou Asshole Bot at February 23, 2018 03:09 PM (SkuXa)

332 Ride too fast and you'll hit yourself with your own bullet.

See, that's what I'm talking about!

Posted by: Larry O'Dumble at February 23, 2018 03:09 PM (vtcmf)

333 Often at private schools-they have gated entrances but you could be a student or former student and come in with anything and get into most buildings.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 23, 2018 03:09 PM (8+Ozj)

334 He has to change mags some time, rush him and smoke him, at least draw his fire.
Posted by: The Jackhole Somewhere on Ventura Highway at February 23, 2018 03:06 PM (M+Lyo)

Or keep him suppressed so others can escape.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2018 03:07 PM (NWiLs)

Yes, Do something !

Posted by: The Jackhole Somewhere on Ventura Highway at February 23, 2018 03:09 PM (M+Lyo)

335 The shooter had the advantage of the element of surprise.

If only the authorities had some kind of advanced information that the shooter might try such a thing....

Posted by: Malcolm Tent at February 23, 2018 03:09 PM (ts4Ys)

336 The stupid on the left actually feels like it's burning.

Time to take a break. Off to Toronto for the weekend and the Restaurants Canada show. My sister gave us a 3 night stay at the Ritz and dinner at Jacobs & Co. steakhouse for Christmas. If you want a laugh, check out their menu.

Posted by: Jwest at February 23, 2018 03:10 PM (/roJx)

337 That's called life.
Posted by: Country Boy binge watches Alaska State Troopers at February 23, 2018 03:04 PM (TXMX/)


When you start posting justifications for shit that can be used by anyone to excuse anything, you aren't really saying much.

But whatever.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 23, 2018 03:10 PM (CPk08)

338 forget it. This is a stupid discussion. People will do what they like anyway.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 23, 2018 03:06 PM (CPk0

No, this is a good point to make. When the mob calls for blood, it is always good to remember that you may not just get the blood of the one you wanted.

Actions have consequences, and people should always remember the law of unintended consequences.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2018 03:10 PM (ycWCI)

339 If you do not believe me, look it up: Government agencies have no legal
obligation to discharge the duty for which we pay them. It is just that
simple. It doesn't matter whether the duty is police protection, water
service or trash pick-up. Again, look it up. I know this, because I've
defended government agencies in court.



Once more: Look it up.
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The courts have their opinion.

And We the People have ours.

Posted by: Methos at February 23, 2018 03:10 PM (XQvuQ)

340 The DOJ needs to investigate Dade and Broward County LEO and School Superintendents for corruption. Their policy of not arresting High School students-- even for violent crimes-- in order to qualify for state and federal grants is probably why the Broward law enforcement did nothing about Cruz in spite of all the warnings.

Posted by: girldog at February 23, 2018 03:02 PM (g5YYQ)


I think I see the problem. Schools should be supported by local property or other taxes. Period.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 23, 2018 03:10 PM (YqDXo)

341 Posted by: joe, living dangerously at February 23, 2018 03:05 PM (KUaJL)

I think that was an honest response.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 23, 2018 03:11 PM (8+Ozj)

342 Maybe only hire cops in the schools who have kids that go to that school. Then maybe just maybe they'd be interested in protecting their own children. Maybe.

Posted by: NCKate at February 23, 2018 03:11 PM (EFvVi)

343 If you want to revisit a video of a shooting pull up the YouTube of the LA shootout with automatic weapon wielding bank robbers.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 23, 2018 03:11 PM (4lzWT)

344 284 I'd save children, but not the British children.
Posted by: Insomniac


Out of curiosity, why did you kill that sensei in a duel?

Posted by: wooga at February 23, 2018 03:11 PM (hyJz8)

345 I don't trust only having armed law enforcers as the sole method of protecting children. Not while "surround the children and then light the building they're in on fire" is one of the options for the armed law enforcers.

Posted by: Qoheleth at February 23, 2018 03:11 PM (iIzG7)

346 And as I said before, my tipping point into deep anger came when I read he refused info to Social Services on this nut job. So he had a double duty to help. So much blood on his hands. So much. And I have severe doubts he even cares.
Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 23, 2018 03:08 PM (hLB6Q)

That sounds like department policy on not giving information. The county and the schools were busy hiding any crime. But yeah, he was a coward and a paid coward at that.

I hope I would react far better than that. Better dead than living with knowing you failed to act.

Posted by: WOPR (Russian BOTS are pikers) at February 23, 2018 03:11 PM (J70i0)

347 344 284 I'd save children, but not the British children.
Posted by: Insomniac

Out of curiosity, why did you kill that sensei in a duel?
Posted by: wooga at February 23, 2018 03:11 PM (hyJz

*clenches jaw*
*single tear*

Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2018 03:11 PM (NWiLs)

348 Rick Scott is just another Bob Corker but with better PR.

Posted by: Tentotwo at February 23, 2018 03:11 PM (yhf6w)

349 Rifles are better than pistols, no doubt. Pistols are just easier to carry and do other things while carrying them.

Rifles/carbines are also easier to shoot accurately at any kind of range.

A 5.56 round is about 3x faster than say a .45 ACP.


But Ace is right, that means nothing in a school shooting.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 23, 2018 03:12 PM (xJa6I)

350 Great explanation on the 2nd Amendment

https://youtu.be/rEqGBOt32NM

Boycott Enterprise Rental cars.


Posted by: Bullhead at February 23, 2018 03:12 PM (jdfqd)

351 the wounds from an AR-15 are so much worse that no citizen should have them. Posted by: WOPR (Russian BOTS are pikers) at February 23, 2018 03:00 PM (J70i0)

The wounds from getting run over by someone texting or high on marijuana are much, much worse than a gun. No citizen should have a car!

See I can play the left's logic games too.

Posted by: LizLem at February 23, 2018 03:12 PM (hvf9s)

352 324 The Parkland School sheriff's deputy was:
1. Old and near retirement?
2. It was a shitty assignment? The deputy was a problem so he was stuck there?
3. It was a cushy assignment? The deputy was connected and this was an award?

Come on news media and give us some answers!

Posted by: Jolo at February 23, 2018 03:08 PM (WrMOC)

I would imagine all 3. He was near retirement and had many years in sheriffs department, it sounds like. So probably old and ineffective and wanted a cushy job. Judging by his act of bravery and penchant for cool thinking in a tough situation at the school, I could also imagine that other cops probably didn't want this guy to be the one watching their backs.

So government did what government does, and gave him a no-work job with an important sounding job description and title.

And he did what he was told to do -- nothing.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 23, 2018 03:12 PM (F5+ro)

353 The asshole sheriff said he suspended him without pay, so the guy retired.

So, he wasn't some inexperienced rookie.

He was just a cowardly asshole who let kids die so he would live to draw his pension.

Posted by: Bearded Spock at February 23, 2018 03:12 PM (oVJmc)

354 John Harwood keeps his ATM PIN written on his card, so he doesn't forget it.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, concerned citizen at February 23, 2018 03:12 PM (ylUqT)

355 Distracting a shooter with gun fire seems to be a means to at the very least slow him down.

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The media and the left (but I repeat myself) think every bad guy with a gun is Billy the Kid but all normal law abiding citizens with guns are Fredos.

Posted by: SH at February 23, 2018 03:12 PM (sX1BW)

356 -
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Real PITA for clearing buildings, even with a collapsible stock and shortened barrel. Trust me on this.


Posted by: Bert G aka Country Singer at February 23, 2018 03:06 PM

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Doesn't matter. 249 is bigger number than 15, 16, or 47.


Posted by: irright at February 23, 2018 03:12 PM (pMGkg)

357 A typical .223 round has a muzzle velocity of ~3100 ft/sec.

Multiply this by (3600 sec/1 hr) x (1 mile/5280 ft) yields ~2115 mph.

Typical 9 mm parabellum round has a muzzle velocity of ~1200 ft/sec, or ~820 mph.

As others have noted above, at the distances involved no real difference in response times.

Apologies for the maths.

Posted by: butch at February 23, 2018 03:12 PM (0APJ3)

358 No, we as a culture should always name and shame cowards.

It's the only thing that will keep us from becoming a nation of cowards. If we reward bravery and shame cowardice.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 23, 2018 03:03 PM (F5+ro)


In the good-ol' days just the private guilt that the coward felt was often enough for him to be unable to live with himself any longer.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 23, 2018 03:12 PM (8gDQu)

359 Real PITA for clearing buildings, even with a collapsible stock and shortened barrel. Trust me on this.
Posted by: Bert G aka Country Singer at February 23, 2018 03:06 PM (uiwCw)

If that is the option or a #2 pencil...

I'll take my chances.

Posted by: golfman at February 23, 2018 03:13 PM (48QDY)

360 I like the idea of arming up schools but not arming them up with cops who talk like fags and who's shits all fucked up.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 23, 2018 03:13 PM (2LelM)

361 Can we agree if there was a question about the resource officer's bravery or nerve he should NEVER have been given the position, NEVER should have had a gun (considering he wasn't going to use it) and he should have been a garbage man instead? Maybe work at library?

Posted by: Seems Legit at February 23, 2018 03:13 PM (U+nHb)

362 >>Ambien General

LOL

Posted by: Under Fire at February 23, 2018 03:13 PM (r9UYA)

363 And I suspect that the 'retirement' was agreed upon between him and the Sheriff to get him out of the spotlight. Pure CYA.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 23, 2018 03:13 PM (oVJmc)

364 Somebody help me. I'm using BOTH my hands...

I don't think I have an ASS!!!

Posted by: Lawrence O'Donnell at February 23, 2018 03:13 PM (vDqXW)

365
The Parkland School sheriff's deputy was:

1. Old and near retirement?

2. It was a shitty assignment? The deputy was a problem so he was stuck there?

3. It was a cushy assignment? The deputy was connected and this was an award
=====================

Did they test him for alcohol, I wonder....

Posted by: Huck Follywood, concerned citizen at February 23, 2018 03:13 PM (ylUqT)

366 326 Distracting a shooter with gun fire seems to be a means to at the very least slow him down.

Just yelling "police! come out with your hands up!" would work to some distraction/slowing benefit too.

Posted by: wooga at February 23, 2018 03:14 PM (hyJz8)

367 343 If you want to revisit a video of a shooting pull up the YouTube of the LA shootout with automatic weapon wielding bank robbers.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 23, 2018 03:11 PM (4lzWT)

Or just watch Heat.

I remember when that movie came out, just before the West Hollywood shootout. I thought it was unrealistic, that you'd never see a huge gunfight between heavily armed and armored bank robbers and cops out in the open.

Time makes fools of us all.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 23, 2018 03:14 PM (xJa6I)

368 339 If you do not believe me, look it up: Government agencies have no legal
obligation to discharge the duty for which we pay them.

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In this case, the deputy had a duty to act because he responded to a call for help and someone relied on his response.

I am familiar the cases you are citing. Those involve people who call 911 and the police don't respond or the police witness a crime but don't act to stop it.

In the case of 911 call, once the police agency says "We are on our way" the police have a duty to act."

Same with lifeguards and fire departments.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at February 23, 2018 03:14 PM (ATVNj)

369 Saw clip last night where kid Hogg was badgering Rubio about pledging to not take and donations from the NRA.

Pure leftist politics on display. Guess mommy and daddy coached him well.

Posted by: Cheri at February 23, 2018 03:14 PM (oiNtH)

370 It's insanity all the way down.

Great post, ace.

Posted by: rickl at February 23, 2018 03:14 PM (xjiRE)

371 If we as a society are willing to even seriously contemplate surrendering our God-given right to self-defense in the wake of this utter failure at every level of the so-called "defense" of the kids at this school then we deserve the dystopia that is sure to come in the wake of Blue v. Grey 2.0

Government fails at literally ever level and the answer is to give the same government a monopoly on the means of deadly force?

Yeah, no fucking thank you.

Posted by: DocJ at February 23, 2018 03:15 PM (NYS7S)

372 A real deputy would have nipped this problem in the bud, even if he had only one bullet, and it was kept in his pocket.

Posted by: Qoheleth at February 23, 2018 03:15 PM (iIzG7)

373 This whole leftard show is blowing up in their faces.

Posted by: maddogg at February 23, 2018 03:16 PM (XWb4y)

374 If you are going the speed of light you won't be able to fire your gun because you won't be able to pull the trigger ... you and your gun will become a singlularity. You will look down on Erf out from unmoving eyeballs and see it is full of....MORONS!!! It will be awesome...and you will wonder what Ace did with the red letters.

Posted by: torabora at February 23, 2018 03:16 PM (K0z2U)

375 Columbine HS was surrounded by chickenshit cops who had no intentions of running towards gunshots. They came, they saw, they hid behind their doors and waited for it to end.

Posted by: Lord Culvert at February 23, 2018 03:16 PM (GMuVj)

376 OK, since I dropped this little stink-bomb about what I termed the "near-doxing" of this guy, let me flesh my thoughts out a bit....

Yeah, I think he has been "near-doxed". We know his name, and as a public servant, we should know that. We also have (at least) a screen-grab of his picture at a public meeting of some sort. I also saw an article somewhere that he was receiving police security at his house. So the local PD somehow believes that he is under some threat.

I think he deserves scrutiny, as he had a job that he apparently failed to do and lives were lost because of that. But having your sheriff publicly criticize your inaction (before any investigation had taken place), not to mention having the President use your name in a speech just seems like piling on.

To all of those who are saying "Fuck him", isn't this just the behavior that the Left and Antifa have engaged in? J.J. says that he's being protected by the "unionized blue wall", but wasn't it just 2 seconds ago that we liked all the cops?

This guy deserves all the disgrace that can be brought to him. I think he's getting it, in spades. Now that he's resigned from his job, what is he supposed to do for the rest of his life? I'm not saying that he deserves our sympathy, just that I'm concerned that he's being set up for a future harm that wouldn't serve justice either.

Posted by: Action Jackson is my name. Bold adventure is my game. at February 23, 2018 03:16 PM (0SPyv)

377 I recommend this ambitious deputy apply for Hillary Clinton's bodyguard detail.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at February 23, 2018 03:16 PM (ATVNj)

378 As any cop or soldier knows, simply placing an opponent under any kind of fire at all is going to seriously distract him from whatever he was trying to do.

An automatic handgun from a concealed position can create effective suppressing fire. This is also a good reason not to limit the number of cartridges a handgun can hold.

Posted by: MW at February 23, 2018 03:16 PM (wNx6K)

379 When you start posting justifications for shit that can be used by anyone to excuse anything, you aren't really saying much.
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Like people found guilty of felonies with their names published in the news, their children do not get a pass from public actions. A public employee, more than most, is subject to the public's judgment. Won't bake a cake? Public name and shame. Private citizens should not be subject to mobs. Public employees are categorically different.

Posted by: mustbequantum at February 23, 2018 03:16 PM (MIKMs)

380 As others have noted above, at the distances involved no real difference in response times.

Apologies for the maths.
Posted by: butch at February 23, 2018 03:12 PM (0APJ3)

Forget the maths...

What about mass?

Posted by: golfman at February 23, 2018 03:16 PM (48QDY)

381 302 If you do not believe me, look it up: Government agencies have no legal obligation to discharge the duty for which we pay them. It is just that simple. It doesn't matter whether the duty is police protection, water service or trash pick-up. Again, look it up. I know this, because I've defended government agencies in court.
Once more: Look it up.

Oh, no argument there. Which is why we need to doxx them and ridicule them and harass the shit out of them whenever they fail. It's our only recourse.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 23, 2018 03:17 PM (k1TUh)

382 I'm from the government and I'm here to fail you.

Posted by: t-bird at February 23, 2018 03:17 PM (2z74n)

383 Mostly doxed is better than all-the-way doxed.

Posted by: Miracle Max at February 23, 2018 03:17 PM (vDqXW)

384 I'm confident Barney Fife would have responded well. This fuck should eat a bullet.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 23, 2018 03:17 PM (2LelM)

385 Not exactly ideal for close quarters.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2018 03:08 PM (NWiLs)


Nope, but there I was, toting that bastard around in the shoothouses and village mockups. Fortunately, I never had to do that in an actual situation.

Posted by: Bert G aka Country Singer at February 23, 2018 03:17 PM (uiwCw)

386

They way the media has used the kids and family.
The violent and hate filled CNN trial on gun control.

This whole thing makes me sick.

There are families grieving and will never get over what happened. Kids who will be scarred for life.

And CNN twists the knife into their young souls.

I can't take it. This really is pure evil.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 23, 2018 03:17 PM (fceHP)

387 Isn't the only solution to arm robot dogs with guns?

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at February 23, 2018 03:17 PM (h/uSM)

388 The guy had been on the force since 1985. Older and close to retirement who possibly saw this as a cushy job.

Posted by: Holier than Thou Asshole Bot at February 23, 2018 03:18 PM (SkuXa)

389 Jwest,
I hate you!!

Posted by: lin-duh at February 23, 2018 03:18 PM (kufk0)

390 Forget the maths...

What about mass?
Posted by: golfman at February 23, 2018 03:16 PM (48QDY

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amen

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at February 23, 2018 03:18 PM (h/uSM)

391 Did they test him for alcohol, I wonder....
Posted by: Huck Follywood, concerned citizen at February 23, 2018 03:13 PM (ylUqT)

You mean maybe if he'd had a few drinks for courage he would have reacted quicker?

I don't know.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 23, 2018 03:18 PM (F5+ro)

392 To all of those who are saying "Fuck him", isn't this just the behavior that the Left and Antifa have engaged in? J.J. says that he's being protected by the "unionized blue wall", but wasn't it just 2 seconds ago that we liked all the cops?"

You haven't been on this site much, have you?

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 23, 2018 03:18 PM (k1TUh)

393 To all of those who are saying "Fuck him", isn't this just the behavior that the Left and Antifa have engaged in? J.J. says that he's being protected by the "unionized blue wall", but wasn't it just 2 seconds ago that we liked all the cops?

No, no, and who's "we"?

Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2018 03:19 PM (NWiLs)

394 Apologies for the maths.

Posted by: butch at February 23, 2018 03:12 PM (0APJ3)


This is America. It's "math".

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 23, 2018 03:19 PM (8gDQu)

395 In the good-ol' days just the private guilt that the coward felt was often enough for him to be unable to live with himself any longer.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 23, 2018 03:12 PM (8gDQu)

The old story would have been:
1. Sunk into depression
2. Turned to alcohol/drugs
3. Lost wife and family
4. Bankruptcy
5. Suicide
6. Obituary

Some mistakes you simply never recover from.

Posted by: WOPR (Russian BOTS are pikers) at February 23, 2018 03:19 PM (J70i0)

396 Oh, no argument there. Which is why we need to doxx them and ridicule them and harass the shit out of them whenever they fail. It's our only recourse.
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 23, 2018 03:17 PM (k1TUh)

Exactly. Legally, and as far as his pension and whatnot go, nothing anyone can do about it.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 23, 2018 03:19 PM (F5+ro)

397 369 Saw clip last night where kid Hogg was badgering Rubio about pledging to not take and donations from the NRA.

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Wanted to see Rubio just drop a straight "NO" on him...

"Next Question"

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at February 23, 2018 03:20 PM (h/uSM)

398 "J.J. says that he's being protected by the 'unionized blue wall', but wasn't it just 2 seconds ago that we liked all the cops?"

The Horde's view of police could only be described as ambivalent at best. I'd say it's gotten worse as time has gone on.

I've never loved cops. I see them as a necessary evil and support them when they punish actual criminals and bad people. For the most part they're an expensive inconvenience to ordinary citizens.

Posted by: The Deplorable Mr. Trumpkin at February 23, 2018 03:20 PM (wwd4n)

399 385 Not exactly ideal for close quarters.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2018 03:08 PM (NWiLs)

Nope, but there I was, toting that bastard around in the shoothouses and village mockups. Fortunately, I never had to do that in an actual situation.
Posted by: Bert G aka Country Singer at February 23, 2018 03:17 PM (uiwCw)

Gawd. Cornering had to be a bitch and a half.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2018 03:20 PM (NWiLs)

400 346 And as I said before, my tipping point into deep anger came when I read he refused info to Social Services on this nut job. So he had a double duty to help. So much blood on his hands. So much. And I have severe doubts he even cares.
Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 23, 2018 03:08 PM (hLB6Q)

That sounds like department policy on not giving information. The county and the schools were busy hiding any crime. But yeah, he was a coward and a paid coward at that.

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When the shooting happened every kid said they knew it was gonna be Cruz. Adults at the school too. Chances this Scot knew too are also pretty high. I keep turning it over in my mind, but it just gets worse. I don't want to believe someone is that callous, that selfish. It literally sickens me when I recall the pics of the other men and boys who gave their lives. While this turd stood outside.

IMO there were a lot of things he could have done/tried. Some have already been mentioned. At this point I expect to find out he was an accomplice of Cruz. Not really, but might as well have been.

His 'he called people' thing. The fire alarm had already been set off, there were people on the way. The 2 other guards or teachers could have called. Anyway, it doesn't take long to call.

Sorry, no sympathy.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 23, 2018 03:20 PM (hLB6Q)

401 On the car commute heard radio guy this morning talk about a "rash of school shootings." I thought a rash was more than one in a relatively short period of time, but what do I know, I'm an ignoramus.

Any serious discussion would need to acknowledge that mass shootings of any kind are rare. e.g. far more have died from just the increase in Baltimore's shootings after the BLM/Soros riot got the Baltimore PD to go into passive reactive mode. but what do I know, I'm a deplorable ignoramus.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 23, 2018 03:20 PM (n+6mJ)

402 OK I want one of you lawyers to explain to me why I am wrong in this analysis.

1. The Supreme Court in The District of Columbia vs Heller ruling held that the 2nd Amendment is an individual right.

2. The operative part of 18 U.S. Code 242 reads as follows:

"Whoever under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution..." The rest of the law describes other offenses and penalties up to death for aggravated circumstances for doing the above.

18 U.S. Code 242 is the law that made all of the Jim Crow laws dead letter unenforceable. Since Heller, I hold that it applies to all gun control laws also. Why am I wrong?

Posted by: An Observation at February 23, 2018 03:20 PM (YFue0)

403
The Parkland School sheriff's deputy was:
1. Old and near retirement?
2. It was a shitty assignment? The deputy was a problem so he was stuck there?
3. It was a cushy assignment? The deputy was connected and this was an award?



4. The extra money from the job just before you retire is a great way to bump up your pension checks

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at February 23, 2018 03:20 PM (lKyWE)

404 just that I'm concerned that he's being set up for a future harm that wouldn't serve justice either.
Posted by: Action Jackson is my name. Bold adventure is my game. at February 23, 2018 03:16 PM (0SPyv)

AND his family had nothing to do with it. The doxxing impacts more than one.

Posted by: golfman at February 23, 2018 03:20 PM (48QDY)

405 324 The Parkland School sheriff's deputy was:
1. Old and near retirement?
2. It was a shitty assignment? The deputy was a problem so he was stuck there?
3. It was a cushy assignment? The deputy was connected and this was an award?

Come on news media and give us some answers!

Posted by: Jolo at February 23, 2018 03:08 PM (WrMOC)

Someone posted part of an article on an earlier thread: The guard may have been chosen for his willingness to help cover up serious crimes committed by students. It was a scheme to qualify for state and federal grants, and both LEO and School Superintendents were supposedly in on it.

Posted by: girldog at February 23, 2018 03:20 PM (g5YYQ)

406 There was no barking
Nothing gets the gun out like barking

Posted by: Navycopjoe will save the day at February 23, 2018 03:20 PM (DfBUG)

407 Joyce Carol Oates thinks Alaska has 15 representatives in the House.

Posted by: mercenary13 at February 23, 2018 03:20 PM (7BPEK)

408 For a quick analogy, I can be the biggest supporter in the world for the military, and still want to see deserters hauled in front of a firing squad and shot.

About what i'd like to see for the Coward from Broward.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 23, 2018 03:20 PM (k1TUh)

409 317 What if you're traveling at the speed of light and fire your gun in the direction you're traveling.

Do the bullets go faster than the speed of light?
Posted by: Al Einstein, Princeton University at February 23, 2018 03:07 PM (ATVNj)

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In your frame of reference the bullets move at the usual velocity. In a "stationary" frame of reference the bullets move at the speed of light and the passage of time for the bullets slows to zero.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at February 23, 2018 03:20 PM (cnrwJ)

410 but wasn't it just 2 seconds ago that we liked all the cops?
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Even as someone who thinks there's quite a few here who go overboard generalizing, no.

Posted by: Holier than Thou Asshole Bot at February 23, 2018 03:20 PM (SkuXa)

411 Posted by: mustbequantum at February 23, 2018 03:16 PM (MIKMs)

Nobody should be subject to mobs.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 23, 2018 03:20 PM (4lzWT)

412 CNN blasts the kid/s who say that they were given pre-written scripts for what to ask/say at the town-hall clown show. CNN says they are liars.

Nice.

Posted by: Cheri at February 23, 2018 03:20 PM (oiNtH)

413 That's called life.
Posted by: Country Boy binge watches Alaska State Troopers at February 23, 2018 03:04 PM (TXMX/)

When you start posting justifications for shit that can be used by anyone to excuse anything, you aren't really saying much.

But whatever.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 23, 2018 03:10 PM (CPk0

Try not being a dumbass. Kids suffer every day for shit their parents do. Unless they're illegals.

Posted by: Country Boy binge watches Alaska State Troopers at February 23, 2018 03:21 PM (TXMX/)

414 Now that he's resigned from his job, what is he supposed to do for the rest of his life?



He's been a deputy since 1985.
How about retire & go fishing?

Posted by: rickb223 at February 23, 2018 03:21 PM (7OF+y)

415 Saw clip last night where kid Hogg was badgering Rubio about pledging to not take and donations from the NRA.

Pure leftist politics on display. Guess mommy and daddy coached him well.
Posted by: Cheri at February 23, 2018 03:14 PM (oiNtH)

Rush yesterday was screaming about why Rubio would have ever agreed to go on a CNN set up like this one. He said there was NOTHING Rubio could have said to the kid's set up written for him by leftists question that would have not pinned him down. If he agreed to no longer take money from the NRA, his constituents would have shredded him. If he said anything at all in response to the kid he would have been blasted by the media for being disrespectful, uncaring, unsympathetic, etc. Rubio realized that and so he stood there taking this crap. The answer is to stop playing into the media's games.

Posted by: Jen the original at February 23, 2018 03:21 PM (3WpEh)

416 >>> He was NOT A SECURITY GUARD!! HE WAS A SHERIFF'S DEPUTY! Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2018 03:09 PM (NWiLs)

I used the wrong job description, sorry! I think I need lunch.

I don't know if people remember, but back in October a Utah police detective wrongly arrested a nurse who was just doing her job, the video of the arrest went viral. Guy's name got out there. Yeah, it's embarrassing and shameful to be doxxed. So is not doing your job properly when your job is to keep people safe!

Posted by: LizLem at February 23, 2018 03:21 PM (hvf9s)

417 >> To all of those who are saying "Fuck him", isn't this just the behavior that the Left and Antifa have engaged in?



Pretty sure this is us finally embracing Alinsky #4 - as in, no, this is not how it should be done, but since the Left has declared the new rules as such, then they apply to *everyone*.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 23, 2018 03:21 PM (W+vEI)

418 They are screaming about banning guns to take your vision and hearing off target from where it belongs -

an officially sanctioned program of hiding teen crime, especially minority teen crime, and of complete industrial grade malfeasance by the school district, the sheriffs department, and the FBI.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 23, 2018 03:21 PM (7ZVPa)

419 Isn't the only solution to arm robot dogs with guns?
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at February 23, 2018 03:17 PM (h/uSM)

Lizards.

Posted by: Israel at February 23, 2018 03:21 PM (48QDY)

420 392 To all of those who are saying "Fuck him", isn't this just the behavior that the Left and Antifa have engaged in? J.J. says that he's being protected by the "unionized blue wall", but wasn't it just 2 seconds ago that we liked all the cops?"

You haven't been on this site much, have you?
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 23, 2018 03:18 PM (k1TUh)


What we are going through right now with the FBI, as well as PDs like Oakland, CA explains my stance.

Look, I feel for this guy. He was probably a union goldbrick and they stuck him somewhere where they thought he could do no harm.

But his actions, that is his INACTION and naked cowardice killed 17 people.

That is worth criticism.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 23, 2018 03:21 PM (VM6ev)

421 If you'd have told me Never Trumpers would not only double down, but openly embrace progressive ideologies, I'd have said no way. They won't let go of the feelz that get hurt by harsh words, but full prog isn't something that would happen. Who boy howdy, was I wrong.

Posted by: Inogame at February 23, 2018 03:21 PM (ySZHT)

422 386

They way the media has used the kids and family.
The violent and hate filled CNN trial on gun control.

This whole thing makes me sick.

There are families grieving and will never get over what happened. Kids who will be scarred for life.

And CNN twists the knife into their young souls.

I can't take it. This really is pure evil.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 23, 2018 03:17 PM (fceHP)


And they're doing it in order to strip us of our rights. Pure evil is right.

Posted by: rickl at February 23, 2018 03:22 PM (xjiRE)

423 Sheriff Israel is no doubt covering his ass. The whole Broward County Solution, not reporting kids crimes. hiding stolen goods, being told about this kid, police to the kid's home 39 times. I mean come on, this stinks to high heaven. He's a jackass and has a lot of answering to do. He knew this resource guy didn't respond and yet still blamed shit on the NRA IN A PUBLIC FORUM. He's a political tool. And I'm sure an asshole.

Posted by: Seems Legit at February 23, 2018 03:22 PM (U+nHb)

424 There was an armed cop at Columbine too. He saw the perps in the parking lot with weapons and challanged them, he traded rounds with no effect as they moved into the school building. Trouble was he stayed outside.

This Florida thing sounds like a near repeat.

We're going to need more than one cop when there is a shooting.

Posted by: torabora at February 23, 2018 03:22 PM (K0z2U)

425 "The courts have their opinion.

And We the People have ours."

Quite. Which is why the "Police will protect us" argument fails regardless of examples like the Broward Sheriff's deputy.

Posted by: RS at February 23, 2018 03:22 PM (CNQqJ)

426 I'm from the government and I'm here to fail you.


Posted by: t-bird at February 23, 2018 03:17 PM (2z74n)
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These 10 words sum up exactly why we all need to take the responsibility to protect ourselves.

Posted by: Boots at February 23, 2018 03:22 PM (EBwPV)

427 389 Jwest,
I hate you!!
Posted by: lin-duh at February 23, 2018 03:18 PM (kufk0)


Don't feel bad. The gift certificate for dinner is only $300. Looks like we can get crackers and a glass of water for two for that.

Posted by: Jwest at February 23, 2018 03:22 PM (/roJx)

428

Speaking of media, take a look at the first few minutes of Tucker's show last night.

https://tinyurl.com/y7nzuyrd

He shows a clip of the movie version of 1984, as if it was CNN's town hall. I have to say, it's a good match

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 23, 2018 03:23 PM (fceHP)

429
Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect. Remember you are commanded to respect the authority and expertise of the same journalists who are getting simple facts wrong here.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 23, 2018 03:23 PM (BWL+E)

430 "...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

End of f*cking discussion.

You want to talk solutions? I'm all ears. You want to violate the above statute? Get crackin' on your supermajorities and ratification processes. Otherwise get lost.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 23, 2018 03:23 PM (jnLXM)

431 Posted by: LizLem at February 23, 2018 03:21 PM (hvf9s)

Sorry about the hollering! It's just there's a YUUUGE difference between the guy being a rent-a-cop and a Sheriff's Deputy, in terms of his private v public status and what the expectations should be.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2018 03:23 PM (NWiLs)

432 And the Broward county PD should not have allowed this guy to retire. They should have rejected his resignation and fired him.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 23, 2018 03:23 PM (8gDQu)

433 Like people found guilty of felonies with their names published in the news, their children do not get a pass from public actions. A public employee, more than most, is subject to the public's judgment. Won't bake a cake? Public name and shame. Private citizens should not be subject to mobs. Public employees are categorically different.
Posted by: mustbequantum at February 23, 2018 03:16 PM (MIKMs)


This is all true, and all reasonable. But there is public availability of knowledge and then there is super-galactic-wide dissemination in the middle the whirl-wind-o'-shit/shark feeding frenzy that is American public life during a media fed crisis.

I somehow think the latter is excessive and destructive. I mean, it sells advertising, for sure, because it sucks everyone in and makes them feel the feelings, and it's endlessly interesting for the idly curious, but at some point, maybe its a bit much. That's all. Shit has consequences. Maybe they aren't always so great.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 23, 2018 03:24 PM (CPk08)

434 419 Isn't the only solution to arm robot dogs with guns?
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at February 23, 2018 03:17 PM (h/uSM)

Lizards.
Posted by: Israel at February 23, 2018 03:21 PM (48QDY)

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that's pretty cold blooded

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at February 23, 2018 03:24 PM (h/uSM)

435 They are screaming about banning guns to take your vision and hearing off target from where it belongs -

an officially sanctioned program of hiding teen crime, especially minority teen crime, and of complete industrial grade malfeasance by the school district, the sheriffs department, and the FBI.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 23, 2018 03:21 PM (7ZVPa)
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Nailed it, articulately.

Posted by: Seems Legit at February 23, 2018 03:24 PM (U+nHb)

436 I've read that something like 11 teens (as in 19 and under), per day, die in accidents involving texting while driving. So using the "logic" of the gun grabbers, perhaps we should increase the age of smartphone ownership to 21?

It's for the kidz, after all.

But then how would twitter and instagram get all their child pr0n, I wonder...

Posted by: DocJ at February 23, 2018 03:24 PM (NYS7S)

437 >>>but wasn't it just 2 seconds ago that we liked all the cops?"

Many of us have been accused of being "anti cop" for many years here. So, no, I don't it's a safe assumption to say "we" "liked all the cops" "2 seconds ago"

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 23, 2018 03:24 PM (F5+ro)

438 In your frame of reference the bullets move at the usual velocity. In a "stationary" frame of reference the bullets move at the speed of light and the passage of time for the bullets slows to zero.
___________________________________

So, there is a time/space duality? Or just a time duality?

Neils Bohr wants to know.

Posted by: Ernest Rutherford at February 23, 2018 03:24 PM (ATVNj)

439 In fairness to the SRO, he'd told his partner that morning that he was two days to retirement and had bought a boat for him and the wife.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at February 23, 2018 03:24 PM (YHplO)

440 May I politely proffer the term "guntrollers" for those who advocate gun control? It has many levels of derision.

Posted by: yaedon at February 23, 2018 03:24 PM (qdhQS)

441 OK, since I dropped this little stink-bomb about what I termed the "near-doxing" of this guy, let me flesh my thoughts out a bit....

my game. at February 23, 2018 03:16 PM (0SPyv)
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I don't think he's being threatened because he's been doxed. I think he's being threatened because enough locals know where he lives and know what he did.

Now, I don't think that he should be in fear of his life. And I don't think anybody--no matter how aggrieved--should do anything to him. Spit in his face? Maybe. Shake their fist? Call him dirty names? Yeah. That makes sense.

He made a bad call, with people's lives on the line. Just the nature of human communities is going to make it inevitable that he's going to take some heat.

But if the state has a Depraved Indifference law, I kinda side with my wife that they should use it.

Lastly, taking the law into your own hands to "punish the guilty" is just too traditionally Dem to me.

Posted by: Axebot at February 23, 2018 03:24 PM (vDqXW)

442 Law enforcement's first priority is Officer Safety. Just ask 'em.

Posted by: Zapp Branigan at February 23, 2018 03:24 PM (UTKsr)

443 425 "The courts have their opinion.

And We the People have ours."

Quite. Which is why the "Police will protect us" argument fails regardless of examples like the Broward Sheriff's deputy.
Posted by: RS at February 23, 2018 03:22 PM (CNQqJ)



The advantage at the start of these things is always 100% with the shooters. They know that the targets are either completely undefended or maybe there's one guy with a .38 or a Glock.

And this is exactly why concealed carry works as a deterrent. Because any shooter cannot really know who is armed and who isn't.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 23, 2018 03:24 PM (VM6ev)

444 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 23, 2018 03:21 PM (VM6ev)

The shooter killed 17 people.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 23, 2018 03:24 PM (4lzWT)

445 right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

End of f*cking discussion.
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But muh feelz!!

Posted by: Ralph Peters at February 23, 2018 03:25 PM (SkuXa)

446 But having your sheriff publicly criticize your inaction (before any investigation had taken place), not to mention having the President use your name in a speech just seems like piling on.

I don't believe there is any doubt about his actions. Video shows him doing nothing for 4-6 minutes. That's an eternity. Had he frozen for 30 seconds, called it in, and then gone into the building, no one would be giving him grief.

He's probably getting protection because there are 17+ families with an incentive to extract some revenge after the total failure of the county sheriff's department.

Obviously you miss the contentious debates over the police on this blog.

Posted by: WOPR (Russian BOTS are pikers) at February 23, 2018 03:25 PM (J70i0)

447 Phased plasma rife in a 40 watt range?

Posted by: Archer at February 23, 2018 03:25 PM (gbWkA)

448 CNN blasts the kid/s who say that they were given pre-written scripts
for what to ask/say at the town-hall clown show. CNN says they are
liars.



Nice.


So you CAN impugn the little darlings?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 23, 2018 03:25 PM (oVJmc)

449 This guy deserves all the disgrace that can be brought to him. I think he's getting it, in spades. Now that he's resigned from his job, what is he supposed to do for the rest of his life? I'm not saying that he deserves our sympathy, just that I'm concerned that he's being set up for a future harm that wouldn't serve justice either.
Posted by: Action Jackson is my name. Bold adventure is my game. at February 23, 2018 03:16 PM (0SPyv)

If you're up for some "light" philosophy reading, John Stuart Mill talks about this sort of thing at length in (I think) On Liberty. Basically, while there can be recourse to legal action taken against a person, there's never any recourse if society decides to take action against you through shaming or whatever, and as such, we should be very careful about when we engage in that sort of behavior.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at February 23, 2018 03:25 PM (KUaJL)

450 412 CNN blasts the kid/s who say that they were given pre-written scripts for what to ask/say at the town-hall clown show. CNN says they are liars.

Nice.
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According to the kid the CNN conversation was done via email. So a record of the conversation exists. I think this story may have some legs.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 23, 2018 03:25 PM (2LelM)

451 437 >>>but wasn't it just 2 seconds ago that we liked all the cops?"
____________________________________

Yes, when they do their job.

But, then there's the FBI, and this deputy, the cops who went to Diaz' house 39 times for hugs and snuggles.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at February 23, 2018 03:25 PM (ATVNj)

452 A .45 goes much slower than a 9mm.



I wonder if he had to choose , which one he would choose to be shot once with.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 23, 2018 02:43 PM (4lzWT)


Doesn't matter.
If you have a hundred of them.

Posted by: 1921 C DRUM at February 23, 2018 03:25 PM (h7sWp)

453 So, there is a time/space duality? Or just a time duality?

Neils Bohr wants to know.
Posted by: Ernest Rutherford at February 23, 2018 03:24 PM (ATVNj)

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i'm not sure

Posted by: Heisenberg at February 23, 2018 03:25 PM (h/uSM)

454 My job is to stand between bad people and good people. With the help of Almighty GOD, and according to His Will, I intend to do that job. Whatever the cost. The people I work for expect that because that's why they pay me.

Posted by: Eromero at February 23, 2018 03:26 PM (zLDYs)

455 O'Donnell's post explains those scenes in the Matrix.

Good thing Neo wasn't facing faster bullets.

Posted by: Axebot at February 23, 2018 03:26 PM (vDqXW)

456 If you'd have told me Never Trumpers would not only double down, but openly embrace progressive ideologies, I'd have said no way. They won't let go of the feelz that get hurt by harsh words, but full prog isn't something that would happen. Who boy howdy, was I wrong."

Just like Ace said, it shows us just how much of the Republican Establishment has been working against us from the inside, all along.

they're not just accepting prog ideology now - they always believed it, now they finally feel comfortable saying it openly. As well as openly displaying how much they have always hated all of us.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 23, 2018 03:26 PM (k1TUh)

457 440 May I politely proffer the term "guntrollers" for those who advocate gun control? It has many levels of derision.
Posted by: yaedon at February 23, 2018 03:24 PM (qdhQS)

Why branch out when we already have the perfectly good word "cocksucker"?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 23, 2018 03:26 PM (jnLXM)

458 444 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 23, 2018 03:21 PM (VM6ev)

The shooter killed 17 people.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 23, 2018 03:24 PM (4lzWT)


Yes he did. And the Broward Coward refused to do his duty and so enabled it.

Better wording for you?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 23, 2018 03:26 PM (VM6ev)

459 There has to be something fundamentally broken in people who will contort themselves in such twisted ways to push an agenda no matter the cost to lives, reputations, and fortunes.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 23, 2018 03:26 PM (Z3wXf)

460 an officially sanctioned program of hiding teen crime, especially minority teen crime, and of complete industrial grade malfeasance by the school district, the sheriffs department, and the FBI.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 23, 2018 03:21 PM (7ZVPa)

Yes, and the feds need to investigate.

Posted by: girldog at February 23, 2018 03:27 PM (g5YYQ)

461 So, there is a time/space duality? Or just a time duality?

Neils Bohr wants to know.
Posted by: Ernest Rutherford at February 23, 2018 03:24 PM (ATVNj)
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I think I can answer this question decisively...

Posted by: Neil TheAsse Tyson at February 23, 2018 03:27 PM (vDqXW)

462 FTSB - CNN's Beer Hall Putsch on Guns Reveals The Left Is All-In on Confiscation



Remington rejoices!

Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 23, 2018 03:27 PM (QQ+il)

463 432 And the Broward county PD should not have allowed this guy to retire. They should have rejected his resignation and fired him.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 23, 2018 03:23 PM (8gDQu)

I'm not sure they would have won if he had sued them for wrongful termination.

He broke no laws. We have no idea what his contract said or what the union work rules were, but it's a lot harder to fire government employees then you think.

Him resigning was probably the best move all around.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 23, 2018 03:27 PM (F5+ro)

464 In fairness to the SRO, he'd told his partner that morning that he was two days to retirement and had bought a boat for him and the wife.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at February 23, 2018 03:24 PM (YHplO)

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Yes, that makes his inaction okay.

Posted by: Seems Legit at February 23, 2018 03:27 PM (U+nHb)

465 To all of those who are saying "Fuck him", isn't this just the behavior that the Left and Antifa have engaged in? J.J. says that he's being protected by the "unionized blue wall", but wasn't it just 2 seconds ago that we liked all the cops?"


The doxxing? I still don't know exactly what has been revealed.

That said, there is a difference between doxxing a private citizen for political beliefs and opinions that are not liked, and a armed security officer who let 17 people die. And yes. LET.

Until I see how he is being doxxed and what his family situation is...don't know about the doxxing.

But no other officer should ever think not protecting children is gonna be okay. He needs to know the consequences will be severe. Worse than taking their chances in a shooting. If they need some impetus, that should do it. So...we're helping.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 23, 2018 03:27 PM (hLB6Q)

466 Someone posted part of an article on an earlier thread: The guard may have been chosen for his willingness to help cover up serious crimes committed by students. It was a scheme to qualify for state and federal grants, and both LEO and School Superintendents were supposedly in on it.


Posted by: girldog at February 23, 2018 03:20 PM (g5YYQ)
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And surprise surprise!! The School Superintendent is from Chicago!! Teaching the rest of the country how corruption is done since, well, since forever I guess.

Posted by: Boots at February 23, 2018 03:27 PM (EBwPV)

467 Imma going to run over to NR and see what the NeoCons are up to. Be back soon.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 23, 2018 03:27 PM (2LelM)

468 Maybe instead of no guns we need to mandate slow bullets.

/Lawrence O'Donnell

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 23, 2018 03:27 PM (oVJmc)

469 Maybe its tin-foil hat I'm wearing, but I'd swear with all the "mistakes" that our LE agencies keep making in regards to major gun attacks, it's almost as if they have marching-orders to ignore these type of red-flags...

After everything that's been exposed over the last 10 years (ex: Fast & Furious) I'm beginning to think this is not as far-fetched as it once was...

To the Democrats in power, these shootings are a good thing, because they are the ultimate form of conditioning... The more often these things happen and the more people die, the more open people will be open to "common-sense" gun control measures, leading to eventual confiscation...

I'd love to be wrong, but it's getting harder and harder to put anything past these bastards...

Posted by: I smell something rotten at February 23, 2018 03:28 PM (iWzUm)

470 Try not being a dumbass. Kids suffer every day for shit their parents do. Unless they're illegals.
Posted by: Country Boy binge watches Alaska State Troopers at February 23, 2018 03:21 PM (TXMX/)


Since you seem to be saying that it isn't anyone else's concern when kids suffer because their parents do something wrong, I really don't have anything else to say. Some things speak for themselves. Thanks.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 23, 2018 03:28 PM (CPk08)

471 Actually there's no *correct* spelling when it's a transliteration (where languages have different alphabets or writing systems). There are conventions, not right/wrong. Chekhov is the conventional transliteration, as the Cyrillic letter "X" is pronounced "kh" in English.


And ace, I don't think (mostly) it's really so much dropping "masks" - it's just showing they're not very smart. All kinds of smart and stupid. I use the term "effectively stupid," because it captures all situations, including those that abound today:, people who aren't literally, technically of low intelligence, but who "effectively" are, as they are ignorant, and use no logic or critical thinking to arrive at/defend their "opinions".

Posted by: rhomboid at February 23, 2018 03:28 PM (QDnY+)

472 In fairness to the SRO, he'd told his partner that morning that he was
two days to retirement and had bought a boat for him and the wife.


Also that he was too old for this shit.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 23, 2018 03:28 PM (oVJmc)

473 468. Ah.....the Dune solution to shields.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at February 23, 2018 03:28 PM (fA1SL)

474
I'm from the government and I'm here to fail you.

In the end, the only person you can rely on is yourself, and not just in an active shooter situation.

When Harvey threatened us here on the Gulf Coast we made sure we had lots of food for us and for the dogs, water and gas and tested all the generators. We know that living in the country we're last in line for any outside help and that it may not arrive for a very long time if at all.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 23, 2018 03:28 PM (BWL+E)

475 468 Maybe instead of no guns we need to mandate slow bullets.

/Lawrence O'Donnell
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 23, 2018 03:27 PM (oVJmc)


Like ones fired by Ricochet Rabbit's Deputy Droop-along?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 23, 2018 03:28 PM (VM6ev)

476 IIRC the two security people who took out the shooter at the Repub. baseball practice used Glocks against an SKS wielding perp who was behind cover.

Posted by: geoffb at February 23, 2018 03:28 PM (zOpu5)

477 It's like all these progs think AR-15s come with a +5 THAC0 bonus.
Posted by: Methos at February 23, 2018 02:38 PM (XQvuQ)

Double damage versus minorities!

Posted by: Guzalot at February 23, 2018 03:29 PM (prSvo)

478 In fairness to the SRO, he'd told his partner that morning that he was two days to retirement and had bought a boat for him and the wife.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at February 23, 2018 03:24 PM (YHplO)

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Yes, that makes his inaction okay.
Posted by: Seems Legit at February 23, 2018 03:27 PM (U+nHb)


People keep forgetting their sarcasm tags. Hope whenever he uses the boat he sees the drowned faces of those he let be slaughtered.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 23, 2018 03:29 PM (hLB6Q)

479 "J.J. says that he's being protected by the 'unionized blue wall', but wasn't it just 2 seconds ago that we liked all the cops?"

I don't believe for a second that all cops are uniformly brave, wonderful , caring fully competents. The vast majority are though, and are not like what was being portrayed and used by the left to gin up riots, etc.
There are rogue, untrustworthy, bad cops just like there are incompetent, untrustworthy people in every profession. Not every soldier or veteran is a super stand up, righteous, patriotic protector of freedom either, as we have seen from recent headlines. Or just the ones we know. For the couple of veterans I know who are useless alcoholics(neither saw combat action, they were this way when they entered service) , I know a lot more who are morally good and a credit to their uniform.

The difference is that we can see and understand there are exceptions in every group. We appreciate the PURPOSE of that group , however. The left, instead, applies a bias to every person in every group, and uses the single exception as proof of that bias reality to the group as a whole.

Posted by: Jen the original at February 23, 2018 03:29 PM (3WpEh)

480 453 So, there is a time/space duality? Or just a time duality?

Neils Bohr wants to know.
Posted by: Ernest Rutherford at February 23, 2018 03:24 PM (ATVNj)

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i'm not sure
Posted by: Heisenberg at February 23, 2018 03:25 PM (h/uSM)

It's really all just a numbers game.

Posted by: Avogadro at February 23, 2018 03:29 PM (NWiLs)

481 I heard on the radio that Deputy Zachary Smith Peterson has asked for police protection and is planning to move out of the county.

Posted by: wth at February 23, 2018 03:29 PM (HgMAr)

482 The fuq is an AK-15?

Joe Piscopo had one in Johnny Dangerously

Posted by: Bigbys Crossed Fingers at February 23, 2018 03:29 PM (4sVxn)

483 "So what should he do for the rest of his life?"

He can start by pounding a big pineapple up his ass with a mallet.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 23, 2018 03:29 PM (k1TUh)

484 The nevertrumper left is starting to think that there is a big segment that won't fall for their crap so gun grabbing is the obvious plan. If you can't convince them, make them helpless.

Posted by: dagny at February 23, 2018 03:30 PM (16bxt)

485 Mandate slow bullets...

I'll have a Webley in .455 please.

Posted by: geoffb at February 23, 2018 03:30 PM (zOpu5)

486 I'm not sure they would have won if he had sued them for wrongful termination.

He broke no laws. We have no idea what his contract said or what the union work rules were, but it's a lot harder to fire government employees then you think.

Him resigning was probably the best move all around.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 23, 2018 03:27 PM (F5+ro)


You might be correct but I think firing him would have been the right thing for the Sheriff's Dept to do. Certainly it would have been the moral thing to do.

And I have doubts that anyone on a jury, or otherwise, would have been interested in finding for the coward. He certainly deserved to be fired for cause.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 23, 2018 03:30 PM (8gDQu)

487 >>Him resigning was probably the best move all around.


If the Conservative Treehouse stuff about the police and school authorities actively hiding crimes/protecting student criminals to goose their school crime stats for more federal $$$, then it's likely in the Sheriff's best interests for Patterson to remain an ally. Yes, let him resign and keep him happy so doesn't spill on what may have been going on.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 23, 2018 03:31 PM (W+vEI)

488 The doxxing? I still don't know exactly what has been revealed.

That said, there is a difference between doxxing a private citizen for political beliefs and opinions that are not liked, and a armed security officer who let 17 people die. And yes. LET.

Until I see how he is being doxxed and what his family situation is...don't know about the doxxing.
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The Florida newspapers indicated that this coward Scot Peterson actually lives rent-free in housing on school property. Not at this school, but for many years he lived in a trailer on the grounds of a community college. Two years ago, he gave testimony at a Broward County board meeting about why it is so important for taxpayers to pay for LEO's like him to live on school property for free. That's actually the only photo I've seen of him so far, is from that testimony.

Posted by: Boots at February 23, 2018 03:31 PM (EBwPV)

489 Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 23, 2018 03:28 PM (BWL+E)


I remember you saying if we heard about a couple found clutching their last can of sardines between them, it was you. I think you also said driveway. It was humor in a terrible situation.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 23, 2018 03:31 PM (hLB6Q)

490 People keep forgetting their sarcasm tags. Hope whenever he uses the boat he sees the drowned faces of those he let be slaughtered.
Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 23, 2018 03:29 PM (hLB6Q)

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HA! Indeed.

I meant to be sarcastic too.

Posted by: Seems Legit at February 23, 2018 03:32 PM (U+nHb)

491
In fairness to the SRO, he'd told his partner that morning that he was
two days to retirement and had bought a boat for him and the wife.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at February 23, 2018 03:24 PM (YHplO)

Perhaps he should have taken sick or vacation days until retirement then... that way he wouldn't have even been there.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at February 23, 2018 03:32 PM (qf8IB)

492 In fairness to the SRO, he'd told his partner that morning that he was two days to retirement and had bought a boat for him and the wife.
Posted by: Colorado Alex



That's what fucking vacation days are for. You phone it in the last week.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 23, 2018 03:32 PM (7OF+y)

493 "468
Maybe instead of no guns we need to mandate slow bullets.

/Lawrence O'Donnell


Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 23, 2018 03:27 PM (oVJmc)"
No, we need smart bullets to stem this violent tide.

Posted by: yaedon at February 23, 2018 03:32 PM (qdhQS)

494 If the Conservative Treehouse stuff about the police and school authorities actively hiding crimes/protecting student criminals to goose their school crime stats for more federal $$$, then it's likely in the Sheriff's best interests for Patterson to remain an ally. Yes, let him resign and keep him happy so doesn't spill on what may have been going on.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 23, 2018 03:31 PM (W+vEI)
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Cashill had this at AT a couple days ago. "The Broward County Solution"

Let's ban the use of the word "solution" by Dems.

Posted by: Neil TheAsse Tyson at February 23, 2018 03:32 PM (vDqXW)

495 It may may have been mentioned already, but the attack on the GOP baseball team that's rotting in the bottom of media memory hole was stopped by a couple of Capitol cops with handguns. One was a girl. Hodgkinson had an AK-47 with high magazine clips and the shoulder thing that goes up and everything.

Posted by: stace at February 23, 2018 03:32 PM (6HFDU)

496 Peter Wang and his two fellow JROTC members ran to the sound of gunfire but Peterson didn't.

Ponder that.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 23, 2018 03:33 PM (Z3wXf)

497 Kids who will be scarred for life.

And CNN twists the knife into their young souls.

I can't take it. This really is pure evil.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 23, 2018 03:17 PM (fceHP)

Nah. They've been on national TV and got in a US Senator's face. They're celebrities in their own minds. They don't give a shit about those that died.

That's all that matters.

Posted by: Israel at February 23, 2018 03:33 PM (48QDY)

498 Perhaps he should have taken sick or vacation days until retirement then... that way he wouldn't have even been there.
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at February 23, 2018 03:32 PM (qf8IB)

I'm sure he wishes he had.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 23, 2018 03:34 PM (F5+ro)

499 500

Posted by: eleven at February 23, 2018 03:34 PM (+lOpA)

500 It may may have been mentioned already, but the attack on the GOP baseball team that's rotting in the bottom of media memory hole was stopped by a couple of Capitol cops with handguns. One was a girl. Hodgkinson had an AK-47 with high magazine clips and the shoulder thing that goes up and everything.
Posted by: stace at February 23, 2018 03:32 PM (6HFDU)

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Huh, I'd forgotten about that. Good point.

Posted by: Seems Legit at February 23, 2018 03:34 PM (U+nHb)

501 One was a girl. Hodgkinson had an AK-47 with high magazine clips and the shoulder thing that goes up and everything.

Posted by: stace at February 23, 2018 03:32 PM (6HFDU)
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Doesn't sound like it had a compass in the stock and this thing which tells time.

Posted by: Axebot at February 23, 2018 03:34 PM (vDqXW)

502 He was maybe two days from the beginning of terminal leave.

Posted by: JAS at February 23, 2018 03:34 PM (sCN2W)

503 The Florida newspapers indicated that this coward Scot Peterson actually lives rent-free in housing on school property. Not at this school, but for many years he lived in a trailer on the grounds of a community college. Two years ago, he gave testimony at a Broward County board meeting about why it is so important for taxpayers to pay for LEO's like him to live on school property for free. That's actually the only photo I've seen of him so far, is from that testimony.
Posted by: Boots at February 23, 2018 03:31 PM (EBwPV)


Thank you. So he made a decent salary with benefits and had free housing. I don't consider that doxxing. I consider those facts. Things newspapers used to do.

No wonder he could buy a boat. Probably pretty nice one. Doubt it was a rowboat.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 23, 2018 03:35 PM (hLB6Q)

504 School Resource Officer at my daughters' alma mater is a town cop. Also works football games and hs graduation. Started Alice drills at the local schools.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at February 23, 2018 03:35 PM (zsUWe)

505 Hodgkinson had an AK-47

I thought it was an SKS but I could be wrong.

Posted by: geoffb at February 23, 2018 03:35 PM (zOpu5)

506 496 Peter Wang and his two fellow JROTC members ran to the sound of gunfire but Peterson didn't.

Ponder that.
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 23, 2018 03:33 PM (Z3wXf)


And the NYPD, FDNY and PANY officers ran into the WTC as the bodies were falling and then the towers themselves.

Scot Peterson is, in military terms, guilty of desertion.

Is there a penalty?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 23, 2018 03:35 PM (VM6ev)

507 anybody thinking government or leo's are going to protect them, are out of their fucking minds. it's not in the handbook of doublespeak and politically correct bullshit. you'll most likely be arrested for being "drunk, in public."

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 23, 2018 03:35 PM (KP5rU)

508 Why did the media hide this information for over a week, they are in protect big inept corrupt government mode. They blame the NRA for the failure of all levels of big demorat government. Still think the media don't work for the deep state? A hand gun is more accurate, and speed is immaterial if you know how to point and shoot and the center mass.

Posted by: Rose at February 23, 2018 03:36 PM (30UCB)

509 Someone posted part of an article on an earlier thread: The guard may have been chosen for his willingness to help cover up serious crimes committed by students. It was a scheme to qualify for state and federal grants, and both LEO and School Superintendents were supposedly in on it.


Posted by: girldog at February 23, 2018 03:20 PM (g5YYQ)
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And surprise surprise!! The School Superintendent is from Chicago!! Teaching the rest of the country how corruption is done since, well, since forever I guess.
Posted by: Boots at February 23, 2018 03:27 PM (EBwPV)


So he retired with an NDA?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 23, 2018 03:36 PM (fceHP)

510 Jwest,
I still hate you! My FIL use to take us out to places like that once every year or two. He also sent me flowers on my birthday and Mother's Day...I miss him.

That deputy should be thinking about moving out of the country, not just county......

Posted by: lin-duh at February 23, 2018 03:36 PM (QGpIE)

511 We're averaging way over 100 opioid deaths a day, for perspective. Many are young. Many in HS. There are few parts of the country that haven't been touched by this.

The last few days have been a creation of MSM.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 23, 2018 03:36 PM (n+6mJ)

512 he'd told his partner that morning that he was
two days to retirement and

+++

There was a partner?

Posted by: Bigbys Crossed Fingers at February 23, 2018 03:37 PM (b2m2Q)

513 Scot Peterson actually lives rent-free in housing on school property. Not at this school, but for many years he lived in a trailer on the grounds of a community college.

Posted by: Boots at February 23, 2018 03:31 PM (EBwPV)

FFS.

Posted by: golfman at February 23, 2018 03:37 PM (48QDY)

514 477 It's like all these progs think AR-15s come with a +5 THAC0 bonus.
Posted by: Methos at February 23, 2018 02:38 PM (XQvuQ)

Double damage versus minorities!
Posted by: Guzalot at February 23, 2018 03:29 PM (prSvo)

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FYI the chainsaw bayonet does 3-24 damage

Posted by: Heisenberg at February 23, 2018 03:37 PM (h/uSM)

515 In fairness to the SRO, he'd told his partner that morning that he was two days to retirement and had bought a boat for him and the wife.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at February 23, 2018 03:24 PM (YHplO)



It's probably a good thing for him. Otherwise, at his next quarterly job evaluation I think he would have been rated "needs improvement" in a few areas, like "DOING YOUR FUCKING JOB"

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 23, 2018 03:37 PM (Mouru)

516 Coulda been a hero. Now I hope his wife nags him to death.

Posted by: wth at February 23, 2018 03:37 PM (HgMAr)

517 506. Had TFG been in the white house, his family would have gotten a goddamned rose garden ceremony and Susan Rice et al would tell us of how he served with distinction.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at February 23, 2018 03:37 PM (fA1SL)

518



Some woman just rammed the security barrier at the WH gate.

Intentional says the reporter. Has mental issues. Not an attack on the POTUS.

uh huh

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 23, 2018 03:37 PM (fceHP)

519 Is there a penalty?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 23, 2018 03:35 PM (VM6ev)

Not nowadays.

Posted by: golfman at February 23, 2018 03:38 PM (48QDY)

520 Do we even have to say it?

Posted by: GOP at February 23, 2018 03:38 PM (r9UYA)

521 512 he'd told his partner that morning that he was
two days to retirement and

+++

There was a partner?
Posted by: Bigbys Crossed Fingers at February 23, 2018 03:37 PM (b2m2Q)


"Partner, like with a cloth?"

- - Shep

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 23, 2018 03:38 PM (VM6ev)

522 "Nah. They've been on national TV and got in a US
Senator's face. They're celebrities in their own minds. They don't give a
shit about those that died.



That's all that matters.

Posted by: Israel at February 23, 2018 03:33 PM (48QDY)"That's best case scenario. I suspect they really, really do care (a lot), but have been so brainwashed and mal-taught that this is the only solution they can reason out, no matter how ill-conceived it is.

Posted by: yaedon at February 23, 2018 03:38 PM (qdhQS)

523 Q: on Tom Sullivan Show...Have you ever seen a fireman run away from a fire?

Posted by: torabora at February 23, 2018 03:38 PM (K0z2U)

524 There was a partner?
Posted by: Bigbys Crossed Fingers at February 23, 2018 03:37 PM (b2m2Q)



I'll bet he was the guy on the donut run when the shooting started.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 23, 2018 03:38 PM (Mouru)

525 173 Someone mentioned in an earlier thread they were
covering up and hiding student crimes to qualify for federal grant
money. This is insane if true.

Posted by: Max Power at February 23, 2018 02:52 PM (q177U)



Insane? No, it's quite rational. Dishonest, conniving, immoral and repugnant, definitely...but not insane.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2018 02:54 PM (NWiLs)

It's true and it is happening everywhere... because disparate impact and its racist to enforce laws.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at February 23, 2018 03:39 PM (qf8IB)

526 428

Speaking of media, take a look at the first few minutes of Tucker's show last night.

https://tinyurl.com/y7nzuyrd

He shows a clip of the movie version of 1984, as if it was CNN's town hall. I have to say, it's a good match
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 23, 2018 03:23 PM (fceHP)

GOLDSTEIN! TRUMP!

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at February 23, 2018 03:39 PM (RD7QR)

527 Nood CNN Fail

Posted by: LizLem at February 23, 2018 03:39 PM (hvf9s)

528 After Columbine where the police failed to move in after surrounding the building and the slaughter continued unabated, the training for LEO nationwide is to confront the shooter asap and make your presence known. This dosen't mean to recklessly get yourself killed, but it does mean to make yourself the center of attention to the shooter and to no longer afford him the ability to wander about killing indiscriminately. This deputy knew this, was trained in this tactic, and when confronted with the situation failed his assignment. There is NO excuse...there is only the reality that he failed to act!

Posted by: Tentotwo at February 23, 2018 03:39 PM (yhf6w)

529 OBVIOUSLY YOU PEOPLE DON'T RECOGNIZE THE 'LETHAL WEAPON' REFERENCES.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 23, 2018 03:41 PM (oVJmc)

530 It's true and it is happening everywhere... because disparate impact and its racist to enforce laws.
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at February 23, 2018 03:39 PM (qf8IB)

Second look at Federalism?

Posted by: golfman at February 23, 2018 03:41 PM (48QDY)

531 Sefton after I posted my comment something horrible occurred to me. How many of the kids died waiting for Peterson to save them because they expected him to do his job. And did any of them have the horrible realization he wasn't.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 23, 2018 03:41 PM (Z3wXf)

532 So he retired with an NDA?
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 23, 2018 03:36 PM (fceHP)


You better believe it.

Posted by: girldog at February 23, 2018 03:41 PM (g5YYQ)

533 Something no one seems to be bringing up is that the majority of kids at this high school did not see the shooter, had no contact with him, and although I'm sure they were scared crazy at the time, if treated properly, shouldn't be permanently scarred by this event.

What isn't helping any of them is the school being closed for nine days, for the media to constantly be parroting how emotional it will be for them to go back to class, blah, blah. If the school also treats all of them like they expect them to have emotional meltdowns every day for weeks, then it will be a self fulfilling prophecy.

How about moving on as much as possible with normalcy? How about explaining this was an exceptional act, and much more, here is what you can do about it. It's the constant drumming of how helpless these kids are that I find disgusting. They are not. They can actively work to discover any other classmate that might be contemplating the same thing. They can learn better self defense techniques that don't involve throwing cans of peas or huddling under a chair. Letting them find they can actively do something to protect themselves will stop the feeling of fear and powerlessness.

Posted by: Jen the original at February 23, 2018 03:42 PM (3WpEh)

534 >I'm not a Super-Expert on guns, but I rather think the AR-15's superior accuracy (longer barrels fire straighter shots; heavier barrels jump less from recoil) would be a factor in a pistol-vs.-rifle fight, but I don't think mere bullet speed would count all that much.

Well let me give you the short version. The biggest impact of velocity is easier shot placements at longer ranges. Lethality depends on the injury. The injury is primarily driven by energy transfer, penetration, and placing.

5.56 NATO energy transfer is poor due to it's high velocity, and small caliber (and the tendency for all the cheap ammo to be FMJ) At short ranges pistol rounds (Which are nominally .38 caliber, but also popular in larger calibers) outperform the .22 caliber 5.56 NATO FMJ in energy transfer, penetration being nearly identical (either pass through or nearly so) at short ranges.

Ultimately outdoors when engagement ranges easily exceed 100yds engaging a 5.56 rifle with a pistol puts you at a severe disadvantage due to difficulty in shot placement at long range with a pistol. Once you are indoors the short engagement ranges places the weapons at near parity.

Posted by: mikethemoose at February 23, 2018 03:43 PM (BJIMy)

535 The Deputy's inaction is inexcusable however I believe what is going on with LE and school board may be worse that allowed this to happen.

I pray that this will be investigated and the real truth comes out. Currently, people are acting like Wayne La Pierre ran into the school and did the shooting.

Posted by: Cheri at February 23, 2018 03:43 PM (oiNtH)

536 505 Hodgkinson had an AK-47

I thought it was an SKS but I could be wrong.
Posted by: geoffb at February 23, 2018 03:35 PM (zOpu5)

No, I bet you're right.

Posted by: stace at February 23, 2018 03:44 PM (6HFDU)

537 It's really all just a numbers game.

Posted by: Avogadro at February 23, 2018 03:29 PM (NWiLs)
___________________________________

Are you some sort of mole?

Posted by: Democritus at February 23, 2018 03:44 PM (ATVNj)

538 I think "good guy with a gun" did originally refer to responding LEOs.

Because the pattern is that the mass shooter goes buck wild for the 6-10 minutes of his rampage, until LEOs respond on scene, when one of three outcomes happens in 99.9% of mass shootings:

A) Shooter surrenders;

B) Shooter commits suicide;

C) Shooter commits suicide by cop.

These guys (they're not really shooters/soldiers) don't really seem to have planned emotionally/mentally for armed resistance/return fire. How rare is it that a responding LEO gets shot? The shooters really seem to give up the ghost at first resistance.

So the idea is that someone with a concealed firearm could stop or at least tie up a shooter until the cavalry arrives by returning fire. Think about how the shooter is now tied up, seeking cover from fire instead of methodically plinking unarmed children.

In this case the "GOOD GUY WITH A GUN OMG HOW DUMB" is flagrantly, incandescently stupid, because Cruz actually fled the school grounds surrendered to the Tac Response team when they arrived (AKA GOOD GUYS WITH GUNS). They would be the chaps putting cuffs on his wrists behind his back in the several photos.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at February 23, 2018 03:46 PM (OIiRj)

539
In fairness to the SRO, he'd told his partner that morning that he was two days to retirement and had bought a boat for him and the wife. Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at February 23, 2018 03:24 PM (YHplO) ------

One of the Marines standing tall against an insurgent driving a truck bomb in the famous photo from Iraq was only a few days away from going home.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at February 23, 2018 03:47 PM (lKyWE)

540 328
And considering the media doxxed a lady for a FB site about Trump, no,
doxxing a security guard that bungled is job is no longer beyond the
pale. The left keeps changing the rules. So be it.

Posted by: LizLem at February 23, 2018 03:08 PM (hvf9s)



He was NOT A SECURITY GUARD!! HE WAS A SHERIFF'S DEPUTY!

Posted by: Insomniac at February 23, 2018 03:09 PM (NWiLs)+

The old trained profession argument fails again.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at February 23, 2018 03:51 PM (ymnmz)

541 Rifle bullets are much BIGGER too. At least 2x bigger. So is the rifle which is 5x bigger. And 5x heavier than a handgun. Thus, EVEN IF the shooter was shot, the small bullet is no match for the bigger one (which, as was cogently noted) is 3x as fast.

Do the math you right wingers. 2x5x5x3=150!!! How is someone with a gun 1/150 as deadly as the shooter expected to stop him!!? Maybe IF he was able to shoot 150 bullets but that ASSUMES he hit the shooter 150 times!!! Meanwhile, the shooter only has to shoot ONCE because his bullet is 150 TIMES AS POWERFULLY DEADLY!!! If the shooter has a 30 round automatic assault clip in his AK-15R, WE ARE TALKING SOMEONE 4500 times as deadly!! 4500 times as deadly and 3 times FASTER!! To counter this disadvantage, the pistol shooter would have to shoot the shooter 675,000 TIMES!!!!!

Sorry to shout but this shows unequivocally that the NRA does not want you to do this math and thus murdered those children and wants to murder their teachers too. The only answer is confiscation after repeal of the 2nd Amendment, something even the children on CNN established. Sheesh.

Posted by: Lefty on Twitter Proud Of His Argument at February 23, 2018 03:53 PM (g1MTt)

542 What happened with that deputy should make the gun-nuts, so abundant here, reflect about the moronic idea that armed teachers can protect students.
Is easy to talk about bravery and heroism in front of people shooting to everyone/everything from the couch at home in front of a keyboard.
Unfortunately in real life things are a little different than shooting to unarmed animals, bottles, or sheets of paper, to just posting...

Posted by: Luca Severini at February 23, 2018 03:54 PM (rD+EM)

543 When is Lawrence ODonnell's new series on masturbation techniques beginning?

He is such an expert on the subject, he shows us every day his shining knowledge.


Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at February 23, 2018 03:54 PM (UsCnO)

544 480 Don't you really mean Boltzmann?

Not Avogadro.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 23, 2018 03:55 PM (hyuyC)

545 It's true that most everybody would not want to go up against a rifle with a pistol. That's why whenever you see a SWAT team going into a building they are almost exclusively carrying rifles.

However, as evidenced by the football coach, you do what you have to do.

This does bring up the question, are these SRO's equipped with a rifle if that is their choice? My guess is that they don't let these guards carry a rifle because that would make the Lefty school moms panties get in a twist. A folding SBR might be a good compromise.

Posted by: john doesky at February 23, 2018 03:56 PM (Zpygp)

546 This clown is not resigning ... He's retiring to a gold plated taxpayer funded pension.

Posted by: Regular joe at February 23, 2018 03:58 PM (7PllL)

547 I know Twitter is terrible, awful, etc. and you see the worst of the worst of humanity.

The social media giant also lets dense reporters reveal just how dense, and cartoonishly biased, they are.

Me like.

Posted by: Christian Toto at February 23, 2018 04:00 PM (GppXG)

548 OT_I think it's a bad idea to not allow anyone under 21 to have a gun. As someone on the local radio noted, what about people who are under 21 who who are not mentally ill and violent and just wanted a gun to protect their family? they can't have one until they turn 21? And it doesn't make sense to have CNN be talking about how mature these young people are and how they should be voting at 16 if we can't allow anyone to have gun until they're 21/

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 23, 2018 04:04 PM (8+Ozj)

549 Dropping the snark for just one minute, is anyone else bothered by the near-doxing of this School Resource Officer?
Posted by: Action Jackson is my name. Bold adventure is my game. at February 23, 2018 02:47 PM (0SPyv)


No, he abandoned kids to be murdered. Fvkc him and I say that as a guy that was a LEO for 24 years. It is a dangerous profession but he obviously forgot about that part in his mission to mark time until retirement.

I simply cannot imagine myself doing the same thing in the same situation. Would I be afraid for my own safety? You better believe it but I would not abandon kids to die.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at February 23, 2018 04:05 PM (5Yee7)

550 542 What happened with that deputy should make the gun-nuts, so abundant here, reflect about the moronic idea that armed teachers can protect students.
Is easy to talk about bravery and heroism in front of people shooting to everyone/everything from the couch at home in front of a keyboard.
Unfortunately in real life things are a little different than shooting to unarmed animals, bottles, or sheets of paper, to just posting...
Posted by: Luca Severini at February 23, 2018 03:54 PM (rD+EM)

Anyone shooting back, however wildly, would change the lunatics actions.

Posted by: free tibet, with purchase of equal or greater value tibet at February 23, 2018 04:06 PM (CL76w)

551 Everyone knows, a gunfight is really just a race between bullets. The faster one always wins.

Posted by: Chris M at February 23, 2018 04:07 PM (eAZVt)

552 Is easy to talk about bravery and heroism in front of people shooting to
everyone/everything from the couch at home in front of a keyboard.

Unfortunately in real life things are a little different than
shooting to unarmed animals, bottles, or sheets of paper, to just
posting...
=====

Clint Eastwood begs to differ. '5:17 to Paris' is currently in theaters. Two of the people were trained, the others were not. They stopped the madman with some big gun by their own actions.

Posted by: mustbequantum at February 23, 2018 04:07 PM (MIKMs)

553 A little background on me, in no particular order....

* Yeah, I've been a semi-lurker on this blog for a long time....ten years at least. It is one of my favorite internet-places and smart military blogs. I've been here long enough to remember The Night of the Sodomizing Cougar-Man. But in spite of my time here, I also have a home and employment life (which I do have to get back to this afternoon), and so I am frequently unable to spend the time necessary to wade through 200-, 300-, or 400+ posts to get the gist of a thread. And then do it again on the thread after that, and so on.

* I have had a CCW for 25+ years, and as I suspect is the case with most who have their CCWs, I carry regularly, but not every day. I also carried at work for a while. I practice and train with a gun regularly (by which I mean I shoot 1500-2000 rounds a year.) And while I like to think that if I were ever in a situation that might require me to use my gun, that I would do so appropriately, I also think that no one can know **exactly** how you would respond until you're in that moment. If you think you do, then good on you, but I think you're kidding yourself.

* FWIW, I've been saying since Columbine that teachers and school staff ought to have the right to carry (openly or concealed....I don't care which) on campus. At best, a SRO is as likely to be on the far side of a school's trouble as he is likely to be in a place where he could engage it. At worst, the SRO is split among three or more campuses (sp?), or as in this case, completely ineffective.

* Maybe things are done differently in different places, or maybe I have this all wrong, but my understanding of a SRO is that he is a local law enforcement guy whose main job is to be the friendly face of law enforcement to the kiddies. IOW, his job is as much (or perhaps more) public relations than it is law enforcement. In a way, he's a lot like the cops you see at an airport....there to show the Law-Enforcement-Flag. Maybe the SRO will break up a fight now and then, or maybe he'll hear about some drugs or something, but he also works under the often-district-mandated discretion to not put every hot-headed kid into the law enforcement system if he can avoid it (you can join me in disagreeing with that mandate if you want, but I, at least, recognize that that is the way it is).

I'll try to return here, but if I don't, then I hope you'll forgive my employment-related absence.

Posted by: Action Jackson is my name. Bold adventure is my game. at February 23, 2018 04:08 PM (0SPyv)

554 What happened with that deputy should make the gun-nuts, so abundant here, reflect about the moronic idea that armed teachers can protect students.


Armed teachers certainly have a better chance than unarmed teachers. Don't you have enough blood on your hands?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 23, 2018 04:12 PM (QQ+il)

555 Posted by: Luca Severini at February 23, 2018 03:54 PM (rD+EM)

You must have wanted to get your ****ahem "Drive by" in and not have a discussion. That's obvious by your use of "gun nut" and ..To just posting"

P.S. Don't own a gun. never have owned a gun, and still think it might be helpful to have teachers voluntarily have a firearm after proper training. and background checks

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 23, 2018 04:14 PM (8+Ozj)

556 Greetings:

I've kind of looked at courage as something that "some cats got it and some cats ain't" and, at the other end of the spectrum, something that may be of a limited quantity and not to be used up foolishly.

In a way, I empathize with the officer who failed. Hopefully, he can come to grips with his failure and move on in his life.

I can't help but wonder if they read Conrad's "Lord Jim" in that high school.

Posted by: 11B40 at February 23, 2018 04:17 PM (evgyj)

557 I've done tactical simulations with pistol-on-rifle drills.

I never once thought about the velocity of the ammo but I do think about the greater accuracy at longer range. That's what will kill the guy with the pistol.

The good news, in CQB scenarios, you can close a lot of that distance under cover, especially inside a building. But crossing the playground or soccer field is going to be a real bear.

But I suspect Lawrence O'Stupid has never done this so what does he know.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at February 23, 2018 04:18 PM (xUc0d)

558 "Ultimately outdoors when engagement ranges easily exceed 100yds engaging a 5.56 rifle with a pistol puts you at a severe disadvantage due to difficulty in shot placement at long range with a pistol. Once you are indoors the short engagement ranges places the weapons at near parity."

Yup. All things being equal, all things are rarely equal.

To my knowledge, the murderer was not standing in the middle of an open field. Unless the facts of the actual terrain are much different than any skool I've ever been in, I refuse to believe the murderer could not have been maneuvered on by a single cop and then filled in with handgun rounds without having to have a pistol go toe-to-toe with a rifle.

Posted by: Jaws at February 23, 2018 04:20 PM (oOw3I)

559 Since Heller, I hold that it applies to all gun control laws also. Why am I wrong?



Posted by: An Observation at February 23, 2018 03:20 PM (YFue0)
--The Heller line didn't abolish all gun regulations. While the 2nd Amendment is an individual right, it can be regulated. The District of Columbia effectively sought to abolish gun ownership by regulation -- that was too far for the Court. But many jurisdictions have highly-restrictive regulations that have (so far) been upheld. For example, the "justifiable need" regulations, that require an individual to demonstrate a justifiable need for a concealed carry permit that is accepted by the local PD, or a judge, before the permit is issued. To meet this standard, the applicant essentially needs to show that they are being faced with current, serious threats of death. They then can beg the PD for a permit to exercise their rights.

Posted by: Revenant at February 23, 2018 04:21 PM (yXLbm)

560 Hey Lefty, that much Lead all in one place would make the Earth wobbeldy and trigger(!) mass extinctions. So be careful.

Posted by: Burger Chef at February 23, 2018 04:28 PM (RuIsu)

561 If you recall the Garland, TX shooting at the "draw mohommed" contest, you will recall an old, off duty cop working security shot and killed two Islamic terrorists armed with rifles. The cop only had his Glock. He killed them both without injury to himself.

Posted by: DonS at February 23, 2018 04:54 PM (xpAyB)

562 @561: That's not how it went down at all in Garland, TX. Google it and read.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at February 23, 2018 05:17 PM (xUc0d)

563 Good lord they're pathetic.

Yes, to the simplistic, childlike mind, adding more guns to school classrooms increases the likelihood of them being used. But that is not all you do, and for big gov't shills, they seem awfully clueless as to how long laws are written these days, which might, possibly, include ways to ensure only qualified teachers are armed, and that those guns are secured, probably within locked drawers.

See, I work in nuclear power. One of the question that is asked when you make a change to a facility, to determine if the NRC needs to review it before you make the change is, will it decrease the margin to safety. Assume you're adding a new system to help purify water in a cooling system. Say you're going to add 100' of pipe. Well, you had X feet of pipe before that could hypothetically break and now there is MORE such pipe. Isn't THAT a decrease in the margin of safety ? Haven't you increased the likelihood of a pipe break and loss of cooling ?

NO. Because all the pipe is designed and installed per the applicable ASME codes that ensure it will NOT break.

Same thing applies here. So long as you make clear the requirements for training teachers to be qualified to carry / wield a weapon on school grounds, and you specify how those weapons are secured so kids and unqualified teachers and staff do not have access to them, you actually have not increased the danger of guns in schools.

Granted, we're talking about liberal union teachers in many / most cases, so caveat emptor.

But only an idiot, or someone being willfully dishonest cannot digest in their tiny pea brains how such an undertaking could be carried out safely.

Posted by: deadrody at February 23, 2018 05:41 PM (1lnp9)

564 562
@561: That's not how it went down at all in Garland, TX. Google it and read.
Posted by: WarEagle82 at February 23, 2018 05:17 PM (xUc0d)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Yes, god forbid, knowing that #561 was incorrect, therefore knowing how it DID go down, you couldn't possibly have provided a summary of how it went down. Good job!!!

Posted by: deadrody at February 23, 2018 05:43 PM (1lnp9)

565 @564: Learn to use google. It is an important life skill that will help you from wasting your life complaining that everyone doesn't spoon feed you simple information. Or in your case maybe not.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at February 23, 2018 06:47 PM (xUc0d)

566 pistol-vs.-rifle fight

If I was caught in a AR active shooter atrocity, I have only my P-3AT. I'd run or hide first if possible. But just in case ...

I practice shooting on the move, and with 2 mag changes I can put at least 13 out of 19 shots into scoring area of a full-sized OPOTA silhouette while retreating from 2 to 10 yards. Practice, practice, practice.

If the a-hole is within 7 yards and we're both standing still, I can do a headshot usually 9 out of 10 in slow-fire, without adrenaline. With adrenaline, haven't tried yet; I'm sure I'll be much worse.

380ACP not a man-stopper, and I don't like my odds in _any_ gunfight, but at least it's in my pocket 24/7 (except showering.) Yes, I wear my pants to bed.

Remember that store-owner 15 years ago who shot that thug kid with his P-3AT, then went back to the office, got his SIG, and came back and executed the kid? He was convicted of murder. What's remarkable about that incident is the P-3AT round, at several yards, dropped the a-hole instantly; I think it was a headshot. This is not an easy pistol to learn. The shot was notable for its accuracy and terminal effect. 380ACP _does_ work sometimes.

Posted by: gp at February 23, 2018 09:11 PM (mk9aG)

567 At home, the P-3AT alone is not enough. My city, Sh!thole Illinois, is plagued by armed home invasion teams, among other outrages. (The thugs have responded to our improved Illinois concealed carry posture by working in armed _teams_, even on street stickups.)

So I barricade my doors, and have a weapon with the appropriate capacity, accuracy, and stopping power for home defense. Even with that, I can't hope to survive such an invasion, so hope only to take some of the POSs with me.

Posted by: gp at February 23, 2018 09:20 PM (mk9aG)

568 Posted by: Luca Severini at February 23, 2018 03:54 PM (rD+EM)

Hey leftard ~ crawl back to Mother Jones or buzzfeed or whatever rock you crawled out from.

The episode proves what gun advocates have been saying for years ~ that the police are not always there to protect you and~ as here ~ even when they are there they won't protect you. So be responsible and arm yourself. Period. This episode doesn't jus prove it ~ it bangs it home with a 20 pound sledge. Only a retarded leftist such as yourself would even try and argue such an obviously wrong, retarded thing.

If a teacher could, as one did here, take the time to run towards danger and throw his body between the shooter and the students, then it is clear that he could have, if armed, opened fire, given the shooter another target, and, most likely killed him. Next time I want that Trump supporting, law abiding, brave and incredible coach f*cking armed do you understand? I want him to not use his body as a shield but use lead as a shield.

And, by the way, I don't support the 2d amendment for personal safety reasons ( although that is a good reason to have a gun) I support it because I don't trust YOU. That's right , YOU fellow leftard citizen. I don't trust you from being able to resist the urge to take away other rights that you think are "outdated" like freedom of religion or freedom from unreasonable searches. Oh yes that pesky 2d amendment is "old and outdated" isn't it? What part shall we get rid of next, you know, for the children.

Bite me lefty scumbag. I'm keeping my 2d amendment rights ~ now. F*ck. Off.

Posted by: Julius Redux at February 24, 2018 07:29 AM (gGiaq)

569 http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/06/austin-cop-sure-shot-stopped-crazed-gunman.html

Posted by: Marooned at February 24, 2018 08:42 PM (iUjOG)

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