Media Finds School Shooter's Politics Highly Relevant, So, Unfortunately, You Know What That Means

Steve Scalise's assassin's politics? Not important. In fact, Steve Scalise's assassin wasn't even important himself -- the media stopped most reporting on it after a mere 4 days, and stopped all reporting on it after 12.

Rand Paul's assailant's politics? Not important. The media pushed the attacker's lawyer's claim that this was a personal dispute over grass clippings and then, when that was proven a lie, neatly forgot to report on the rabid left-wing attacker's motives.

But now motives in otherwise inexplicable violence are important again -- so that must mean the shooter was right-wing (or could be claimed to be right-wing).

Cruz exhibited right-wing politics in high school as well, former classmates told The Daily Beast. Two said he wore a "Make America Great Again" hat in school. An Instagram account associated with Cruz features a photo of him wearing the hat and a red, white, and blue bandana over his face.
"I saw him wear a Trump hat," said Sebastian Gonzalez, a 19-year-old who graduated from the high school in 2017. "At our school you were sort of with Trump or really against Trump."
Ocean Parodie, a 17-year-old junior said that he also saw Cruz wearing the hat.
"He always wore like really patriotic shirts that seemed really extreme, like hating on the Islamic religion. For example, he would say things such as like, he would degrade islamic people as terrorists and bombers. I've seen him wear a Trump hat," Parodie said.
YouTube comments by a person of the same name spewed commentary about Antifa activists and Muslimsppshared targets of white supremacists. "Iam going to kill them in the future," one comment on a video titled "Antifa Gun Club!" read. "Im going watch them sheep fall fuck antifa i wish to kill as many as i can," another comment about six months ago read.

Meanwhile, the FBI was warned about this guy, who left a comment on a YouTube video stating flat-out he intended to be a mass school shooter, but the FBI says it failed to "fully identify" the commenter.

I can see why the FBI couldn't "fully identify" the commenter -- all he did was leave the comment under his actual legal name, along with the uncommon spelling of his first name.

It's hard to "fully identify" someone based on their full legal name and their YouTube login and their IP and all that, I guess.

Of course, the homoerotic authority-worshippers of the right, like David French, are squealing that it's just terrible to question the FBI about this grotesque and catastrophic failure.

Posted by: Ace at 01:40 PM

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1 Because of course it is.

Posted by: Hikaru at February 15, 2018 01:36 PM (WDCYi)

2 First?

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 15, 2018 01:36 PM (/qEW2)

3 Yeah, this looks bad.
and bad timing for the FBI
on top of the Vegas shooting too

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 15, 2018 01:37 PM (fceHP)

4 Everyone knows Right Wingers do all the killing. Just look at Newark. Am I right?

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 15, 2018 01:37 PM (YV+SU)

5 In other words, a day ending in Y.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 15, 2018 01:38 PM (p+Wdc)

6

They're too busy trying to create lies about Trump and taking down the administration.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 15, 2018 01:38 PM (fceHP)

7 I handle workplace violence response at my job. We had a person make an anonymous terroristic threat against our business and we identified the guy within an hour.

I called the State Police, youtube and googled the hell out of the information we gleaned.

We identified IP addresses and other frames of references.

Had him identified in one hour and arrested by lunch.

The FBI could have found this guy.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at February 15, 2018 01:39 PM (ATVNj)

8 Oh, and "Ocean Parodie"?

I got nuthin'.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 15, 2018 01:40 PM (p+Wdc)

9 Now they're saying he went on drill with a crazy secessionist group The Republic of Florida. The leader, Jordan Jereb, is confirming this with pride for some reason.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at February 15, 2018 01:40 PM (UBzPO)

10 I am reasonable sure that this kid's politics was Crazy.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 15, 2018 01:40 PM (QQ+il)

11 Under no circumstances are we to question the FBI or ask about what they did or did not do. If anyone does that, or even hints that the FBI may have done something wrong; then White House background investigations are going to start falling from the sky.

Posted by: Queequeg the Harpooner at February 15, 2018 01:40 PM (9X60i)

12 Shep Smith just jizzed himself.

Posted by: steevy at February 15, 2018 01:40 PM (LiyEm)

13 Rush had a great point: How many resources are being wasted on the Russia probe when they could be used to stop tragedies like yesterday?

Posted by: pookysgirl at February 15, 2018 01:40 PM (XKZwp)

14 They should offer counseling to him over the murders, but taking a gun into a gun-free zone? That is a capital offense.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 15, 2018 01:41 PM (7ZVPa)

15 What we need to do is channel our troubled and heavily armed youth towards doing mass shootings at CNN or WAPO. This is the only way we can have a real debate about gun control.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 15, 2018 01:41 PM (YV+SU)

16 Ocean Parodie, a 17-year-old junior...

...who's been teased ruthlessly for years,...

On the subject, it's pretty much useless to object or ask for further details. There are some subjects that are fodder for propaganda and little else, and this is one of them.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at February 15, 2018 01:41 PM (RD7QR)

17 I can see why the FBI couldn't "fully identify" the commenter -- all he did was leave the comment under his actual legal name, along with the uncommon spelling of his first name.

It's hard to "fully identify" someone based on their full legal name and their YouTube login and their IP and all that, I guess.

Sometimes I get the impression that the FBI couldn't find its ass with both hands and a flashlight.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 15, 2018 01:41 PM (MjCfq)

18 And come on ace,the FBI said Hodgkinson had not particular target in mind...

Posted by: steevy at February 15, 2018 01:42 PM (LiyEm)

19 Ocean Parodie?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 15, 2018 01:42 PM (IqV8l)

20

The FBI is way too busy with important work - - like overthrowing a duly elected president.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 15, 2018 01:42 PM (mbhDw)

21 Remember, questioning the FBI's purity is literally eroding a pillar of our civilization. I'm sure that's a Bible quote.

Posted by: James Comey at February 15, 2018 01:42 PM (t41dG)

22 eh i doubt any if not all of his "political beliefs" turn out to be accurate. I'm more interested to see what sort of meds he was on. We know his home life was a disaster, both adopted parents are apparently dead. The FBI cover up should be fun to watch.

Posted by: Iron Wombat at February 15, 2018 01:42 PM (/qASX)

23 so wait, what? yesterday, this guy was all into jeehad and snackbars

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 15, 2018 01:42 PM (V3U1L)

24 >>...it's just terrible to question the FBI about this grotesque and catastrophic failure.

How many times does the FBI have to demonstrate incompetence?

They seemed to do this after (almost?) every terror attack during Obama's 8 years. If it wasn't an instance when they had missed the signs, or not adequately followed up reports, they would still manage to drop the ball by declaring "Not terrorism!" within an hour after first reports of the attack, before all names were even released.

They have lost their way, their purpose, and that can't be fixed if people like French insist they are above criticism.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 15, 2018 01:42 PM (W+vEI)

25 Fuck the MSM

Posted by: Guzalot at February 15, 2018 01:42 PM (prSvo)

26
Where's Reverend Comey with an appropriate Bible quote?

Or something from the Mishnah?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 15, 2018 01:42 PM (mbhDw)

27 The FBI is basically the airport rental car company from Seinfeld.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at February 15, 2018 01:43 PM (KUaJL)

28 >>so wait, what? yesterday, this guy was all into jeehad and snackbars

I know, right?

Posted by: Lizzy at February 15, 2018 01:43 PM (W+vEI)

29 This seems like horseshit, like when the media tried to claim George Zimmerman was a White Supremacist and then it turned out he was not white at all. Is there any evidence the media is not merely making shit up again, as they often do?

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 15, 2018 01:43 PM (/qEW2)

30 but you know...the bright side is the kid is alive so there's no "we'll never know why he did what he did" like with Vegas.

Just think of all the violence recently.

Scalise
Las Vegas
the NYC central park rental truck
rand paul
and probably a bunch of other stuff

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 15, 2018 01:43 PM (V3U1L)

31 Investigating actual crime is, like, really hard.

Posted by: Barney Fife, FBI at February 15, 2018 01:43 PM (gbWkA)

32 Apparently the FBI has learned nothing since the Tsarnaev brothers.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 15, 2018 01:44 PM (p+Wdc)

33 in fairness, if you can't believe nation of islam , when adovocating killing people not like them. or blm killing cops, or anitfa killing everyone. Or those decapitating presidents , why would one believe this one .

how about we need common sense mental help for those screaming their dreams.

I mean this is actually pretty overt , yes?

Posted by: willow at February 15, 2018 01:44 PM (Z8j2x)

34
And this fiend is a "White Hispanic" of course.

The Media deserves to be abolished.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 15, 2018 01:44 PM (mbhDw)

35 I've seen him wear a Trump hat," Parodie said.

+++

Look for the full quote. They've helpfully omitted that she goes on to describe how the other students "shoved him out of the way like garbage" and nobody talked to him. And he, a fer realz orphan, surprise he was fucked up

Posted by: Bigby's Pointy Finger at February 15, 2018 01:44 PM (mYDRQ)

36 24 >>...it's just terrible to question the FBI about this grotesque and catastrophic failure.
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I shiver in fear of the optics of the next honored, hallowed member of one of america's 17 intel agencies resigning because someone dared question them

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 15, 2018 01:44 PM (V3U1L)

37 Apparently the FBI has learned nothing since the Tsarnaev brothers.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 15, 2018 01:44 PM (p+Wdc)

Who?

Posted by: FBI doofus at February 15, 2018 01:44 PM (suO/a)

38
Investigating actual crime is, like, really hard.
Posted by: Barney Fife, FBI

Gotta nip it in the bud!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 15, 2018 01:45 PM (IqV8l)

39 Not sure, but I don't think I'll take observation of fact from someone named "Ocean". Or Miss Parodie. What were her parents smoking>?

Posted by: Irony? Not since 1983 at February 15, 2018 01:45 PM (b2jHL)

40 32
Apparently the FBI has learned nothing since the Tsarnaev brothers.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 15, 2018 01:44 PM
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Gesundheit

Posted by: You wanted a miracle. I give you The FBI at February 15, 2018 01:45 PM (t41dG)

41 I am reasonable sure that this kid's politics was Crazy.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 15, 2018 01:40 PM (QQ+il)

Very likely, but you will have to withstand a couple of days of "Trump Inspires School Shooters" before the next semi-telegenic sister of a dictator catches their very short attention span.

Posted by: Mikey NTH -Exchange Your Old Wishful Thinking for a New Hopeful Shouting at The Outrage Outlet! at February 15, 2018 01:45 PM (hLRSq)

42 "I saw him wearing a Trump hat" Yeah, it's called a false flag.

Posted by: Archer at February 15, 2018 01:45 PM (gbWkA)

43
Either it's a failure from the teachers, administrators, and the FBI. Or its failure theatre to the point of allowing this shit to happen.

Even Tucker last night was like WTF when interviewing the perfectly calm girl repeating drills over and over again.

Posted by: Monk at February 15, 2018 01:46 PM (g4lFK)

44 Ocean Parodie? Made up name

Posted by: Heywood Jablomi at February 15, 2018 01:46 PM (RKQ/v)

45 1) Claim he's a crazy right winger
2) Find out he's not
3) Correction on back page/late at night
4) Bury any mention of the shooter and focus on the gun

Anyone want to bet on a different timeline?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at February 15, 2018 01:46 PM (9CkBG)

46 If you post as 'Commenter' they can never catch you or give you credit for witty comments!

Posted by: Commenter at February 15, 2018 01:46 PM (BrQrN)

47 It's pretty hard to investigate shooting threats when half of the FBI is busy filling out resumes to work as analysts on CNN.

Posted by: Obama waving from Martha's Vineyard at February 15, 2018 01:46 PM (JrZbY)

48 46 If you post as 'Commenter' they can never catch you or give you credit for witty comments!
Posted by: Commenter at February 15, 2018 01:46 PM (BrQrN)

Did he write "First!" on YouTube?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 15, 2018 01:47 PM (mbhDw)

49 IOW no it's not the right-winger brainwashing, it was being completely isolated and angry, in some ways justified, and that not having any healthy outlet.

Posted by: Bigby's Pointy Finger at February 15, 2018 01:47 PM (mYDRQ)

50 Plus, torturing animals is a huge indicator that something was wrong with this kid's brain pan.

Posted by: Archer at February 15, 2018 01:47 PM (gbWkA)

51 Perfect storm.

Posted by: Under Fire at February 15, 2018 01:47 PM (r9UYA)

52
We need more men in our school systems. And by men I don't mean male feminists and sports coaches from kimdergarten through 12th grade.

Posted by: Monk at February 15, 2018 01:47 PM (g4lFK)

53 46. He's right, you know. - Common Tater

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at February 15, 2018 01:47 PM (fA1SL)

54 Ocean Parodie? Made up name

Posted by: Heywood Jablomi at February 15, 2018 01:46 PM

I know, right?

Posted by: Hugh G. Rection at February 15, 2018 01:47 PM (p+Wdc)

55 This clown was in the mental health system for some time as he got into trouble at school. Mental health professionals arrogantly assume that they can fully diagnose clowns like this shooter from interviews and testing alone. They assume that they are much smarter than their wacko patients.

Not true. A lot of these shooters are smart enough to feed the psychs all the right answers to keep from being institutionalized. The mental health professionals should have monitored and reviewed his social media posts and evaluated them for congruity with their diagnoses. Had they done this, they might have taken far different actions.

Social media cuts both ways, but our mental health professionals don't seem to realize this. Mental health professionals are not very professional, or competent.

Posted by: 10x25mm at February 15, 2018 01:47 PM (7F7B9)

56 to be fair, the liberals will eventually get their great white hope of an actual right wing nut job who went all liberal on people.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 15, 2018 01:47 PM (V3U1L)

57 Very likely, but you will have to withstand a couple of days of "Trump Inspires School Shooters" before the next semi-telegenic sister of a dictator catches their very short attention span.
Posted by: Mikey NTH -Exchange Your Old Wishful Thinking for a New Hopeful Shouting at The Outrage Outlet! at February 15, 2018 01:45 PM (hLRSq)

Socialism?
-hyperkinetic, meth addicted, energy drink pounding socialist squirrel

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 15, 2018 01:47 PM (ycWCI)

58 Hey! We were also suspiciously uninterested in the Vegas Shooter's politics.

Posted by: The Media at February 15, 2018 01:48 PM (Pd4hZ)

59 54 Ocean Parodie? Made up name

Posted by: Heywood Jablomi at February 15, 2018 01:46 PM

I know, right?
Posted by: Hugh G. Rection at February 15, 2018 01:47 PM (p+Wdc)

"Hmm."

- - Clint Torres

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 15, 2018 01:48 PM (mbhDw)

60 (NRA) Politics stretched alllll the way to Russia!

Media Matters alum Eric Boehlert spent Wednesday evening probing whether there is a connection between the mass shooting at Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, the National Rifle Association (NRA), and Russia's Kremlin.

Boehlert, who has moved on from the David Brock-led Media Matters to the David Brock-led Shareblue media, took up the topic after failed Missouri Senate candidate Jason Kinder tweeted: "The leadership of [the NRA] has an agenda and it ain't got a damn thing to do with gun rights. It's 100% about gun sales. This Republican Congress is trading the lives of children for campaign contributions."

Boehlert then responded by asking, "How much $$$$$ did [the NRA] accept from Russia in 2016?"

"[A]nd why would Russia be so interested in seeing America drowning in guns?" he continued.

Nasty guy.

breitbart

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 15, 2018 01:48 PM (fceHP)

61 Ocean Parodie?

+++

It was that or River Satire

Posted by: Bigby's Pointy Finger at February 15, 2018 01:48 PM (mYDRQ)

62 >>I've seen him wear a Trump hat," Parodie said.

I saw Goody Proctol in the woods talking to Satan!

Posted by: Lizzy at February 15, 2018 01:48 PM (W+vEI)

63 Also, the FBI was really busy look for piss soaked mattresses, so there's that.

Posted by: Archer at February 15, 2018 01:49 PM (gbWkA)

64 Like Jared Loughner, a psychotic chowderhead of no identifiable politics, therefore Republican by default.

Like Loughner, plenty of warning, and plenty of unused and disregarded opportunities to legally disarm him. Law enforcement has egg on its face, so blame the equipment used, and not the multiple failures to use existing means to stop the little retard in his tracks. In this case establishment media and the cops are on the same page as far as the spin.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at February 15, 2018 01:49 PM (JPEYg)

65 Its not a good idea to analyze the politics of these types of acts on either side of the aisle. Violent and deranged people can grab onto anything to justify their actions.

But here's the big difference. Shooting up a school full of kids has ZERO political objective for a "right-winger."

Shooting up a bunch of Republicans like Scalise and beating the hell out of Rand Paul DOES have a distinct political objective.

Posted by: Maritime at February 15, 2018 01:49 PM (lKmt3)

66 What animals was he killing? I need to kill some squirrels in my backyard but I don't want to end up becoming a mass murderer or anything.

Posted by: NCKate at February 15, 2018 01:49 PM (gEfBt)

67 23 so wait, what? yesterday, this guy was all into jeehad and snackbars

Posted by: zibbly wibbly
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Yep. A friend and I were have this exact conversation when he said the same thing and I quickly countered back "this kid has to be all over the map b/c he is cray cray and I expect pics to start popping up showing all kinds of crap supporting anything and everything from right-to-left and left-to-right and back again".

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at February 15, 2018 01:49 PM (9ks3L)

68 I don't give a fuck what his political beliefs are, the question should be why wasn't he stopped. Why would it matter if he were a purple faggot commie lib/dim snowflake or a white supremacist nazi flake/faggot. He needed to be stopped/killed before he could kill so many. Armed good guys in school would minimize this shit.

Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at February 15, 2018 01:50 PM (0OmEj)

69 Is there any evidence the media is not merely making shit up again, as they often do?

+++

He may have also been a registered democrat. And possibly antifa.

Posted by: Bigby's Pointy Finger at February 15, 2018 01:50 PM (mYDRQ)

70 this is my problem with the Lefts propaganda. If the progressives, media, law, teachers keep claiming Killing another human Can Be alright because you are angry at what Life hands you, why are they surprised when a ill person was seduced in their belief?

Posted by: willow at February 15, 2018 01:50 PM (Z8j2x)

71
It came out last night that he was a member of The Republic of Florida militia. A member said he was. Appearently they are right wing.

It's fucking sad when you have to sift through all the bullshit in 4chan and 8chan then double back to recheck facts to get answers.

No offense but I don't find MSM groups like The Daily Beast to be credible anymore. They don't give a fuck about truth.

Posted by: Monk at February 15, 2018 01:50 PM (g4lFK)

72 66. Easy enough. Stop after your second killing.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at February 15, 2018 01:50 PM (fA1SL)

73 As I posted yesterday, no one on the Right has claimed we dont have some crazies on our side. The difference is we dont embrace them or excuse them as the Left does theirs. And by theirs I mean a large percentage of the Left.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 15, 2018 01:51 PM (EZkQC)

74 I betcha' he even had a commie flag ... tacked up on the wall inside of his garage.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 15, 2018 01:51 PM (fiGNd)

75 Didn't get a chance to listen to it, but reading the transcript of Trump's speech today -- he nailed it.

Excerpt:
In these moments of heartache and
darkness, we hold on to God's word in scripture: "I have heard your
prayer and seen your tears. I will heal you."We trust in that promise, and we hold fast to our fellow Americans in their time of sorrow.I
want to speak now directly to America's children, especially those who
feel lost, alone, confused or even scared: I want you to know that you
are never alone and you never will be. You have people who care about
you, who love you, and who will do anything at all to protect you. If
you need help, turn to a teacher, a family member, a local police
officer, or a faith leader. Answer hate with love; answer cruelty with
kindness.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at February 15, 2018 01:51 PM (jxbfJ)

76 Mental health professionals are not very professional, or competent.

Posted by: 10x25mm at February 15, 2018 01:47 PM
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Neither competence nor professionalism are relevant at our local Mental Health Department. What matters is billing and reimbursement. If a patient is OK on drugs, they can stick around. Otherwise, we ship them off to the next county. Because we care so much about our mentally ill, we closed our own facility so that we don't have to worry our counselors with having to deal with them. The average member of the community has no. freaking. clue. And, near as I can tell, they don't want one.

Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at February 15, 2018 01:51 PM (t41dG)

77 I need to kill some squirrels in my backyard but I don't want to end up becoming a mass murderer or anything.

Posted by: NCKate at February 15, 2018 01:49 PM

I suspect the Empress might have some suggestions for you.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 15, 2018 01:51 PM (p+Wdc)

78 66
What animals was he killing? I need to kill some squirrels in my
backyard but I don't want to end up becoming a mass murderer or
anything.

Posted by: NCKate at February 15, 2018 01:49 PM (gEfBt)

Frogs lizards I believe.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at February 15, 2018 01:51 PM (jxbfJ)

79 >>Like Loughner, plenty of warning, and plenty of unused and disregarded opportunities to legally disarm him.

Why would you disarm him? I've learned right here that taking guns from crazy people is a slippery slope toward a police state.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 15, 2018 01:52 PM (/tuJf)

80 If you aren't going to lean on violent Antifa then it is a sure bet a loner kid gets no scrutiny.

Remember, it is priority 1 to root out these queerphobic cake bakers.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at February 15, 2018 01:52 PM (e1mEI)

81 :::sits down beside campfire for the scary stories:::

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - NOW WITH VIP at February 15, 2018 01:52 PM (oHMUh)

82
There are also 2 pictures of him getting arrested floating around out there. He is wearing a gray tee shirt in the earlier one taken and then a maroon collared shit in the famous one.

Posted by: Monk at February 15, 2018 01:52 PM (g4lFK)

83 To me though, these political stances for the pitiable boy were reaching out for a degree of belonging and acceptance, a search for selfhood. He didn't find it

Posted by: Bigby's Pointy Finger at February 15, 2018 01:52 PM (mYDRQ)

84 In order to stop the push to restrict gun rights, those of us who support gun rights should also support increased surveillance of social media, and criminal charges based on any violent threats or postings on that media. Intelligent people will be able to avoid that; the mentally unstable will not.

Protect the 2nd amendment by limiting the 1st, to a certain extent. It is a disturbing tradeoff to have to make, but if we don't, I fear we will lose the 2nd.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 15, 2018 01:52 PM (k1TUh)

85 Top. Men.

Posted by: Mainah at February 15, 2018 01:52 PM (CClpm)

86
Media Matters alum Eric Boehlert spent Wednesday evening probing whether there is a connection between the mass shooting at Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, the National Rifle Association (NRA), and Russia's Kremlin.

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He spent the rest of the day probing his boyfriend's asshole.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at February 15, 2018 01:52 PM (JPEYg)

87 As predicted, this is almost entirely based on the hat, which the shooter was probably wearing as mockery. MSM are predictable despicable.

Posted by: itsatax at February 15, 2018 01:53 PM (/1c+O)

88 French probably posts "let me worship your cop" on Craigslist in the "MfA" section.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at February 15, 2018 01:53 PM (1SVLt)

89 If you've been thinking about buying a gun, TODAY might be a good day for it. Prices have been down. If this turns into a major push for more gun legislation, like the response to Sandy Hook, prices could spike substantially.

Posted by: Shemp Smith at February 15, 2018 01:53 PM (398bZ)

90 So the FBI is basically Law Enforcement Theater? They occasionally rough up and inconvenience a few innocent folks, to make it look like they're doing something. Then they go back to surfing porn.

Posted by: Chris M at February 15, 2018 01:53 PM (eAZVt)

91 The NRA and the Kremlin? Okie dokie.

Okay, since this got willowed and it's hilarious:

http://babylonbee.com/news/tldr-edition-66-books-bible/

SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY!

Posted by: alexthechick - Breathe deeply. Namaste. Prayer-hands. Warrior Pose. at February 15, 2018 01:53 PM (mf5HN)

92 Is there any evidence the media is not merely making shit up again, as they often do?

+++

He may have also been a registered democrat. And possibly antifa.
Posted by: Bigby's Pointy Finger at February 15, 2018 01:50 PM (mYDRQ)

It doesn't matter.
This is their modus operandi: throw lies and sh*t out there, then, even if proven false, they just move onto the next narrative, different lies and sh*t they throw out there, and on and on

It doesn't matter. This is their objective. Lie, and continue to lie, and hide the truth if it comes out against them.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 15, 2018 01:53 PM (fceHP)

93 Ah, so the media is consistent...focusing on all the wrong things that mean nothing. Bcz they are a bunch of gossipers now. Nothing better. Oh wait...gossipers with an agenda. So even worse than the garden variety gossipers.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 15, 2018 01:53 PM (VHwfF)

94 off sock

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at February 15, 2018 01:53 PM (398bZ)

95 Mental health professionals are not very professional, or competent.

Posted by: 10x25mm at February 15, 2018 01:47 PM

That's a fact, Jack. I'm still loose.

Posted by: Archer at February 15, 2018 01:53 PM (gbWkA)

96 Sure, he might have worn a MAGA hat, but did he have a Members Only jacket?

Posted by: Temperence Konstent at February 15, 2018 01:53 PM (ECDXs)

97 FOX stop fuckin talking

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 15, 2018 01:54 PM (5y11N)

98
Great, stupid name parodies again

Posted by: Symour Butts at February 15, 2018 01:54 PM (lKyWE)

99 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 15, 2018 01:48 PM (mbhDw)
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Max Reps??

Posted by: DeploraBOT at February 15, 2018 01:54 PM (y3aQB)

100 I'm calling Make News

Posted by: Mega at February 15, 2018 01:54 PM (Pd4hZ)

101 Crossposting after Nood:

I know people are impatient, but after some point you have to stop

ranting, admit that this has to be done correctly, and then figure out

what are the correct steps.

I'm splainin not arguing.
Logically I agree with you and JackStraw.
Emotionally I want such a crater made of the Democrat Party that it's actually safe to straighten out the Republican Party.
I
spent 1/2 hour today and yesterday breaking clearing ice out of the
street sewer grates, if the water isn't moving the swamp ain't draining.

Stop ranting - the only time the Horde stops ranting is when a hamster dies.
Although this rant is probably behind willow already.

Posted by: DaveA at February 15, 2018 01:54 PM (FhXTo)

102 What a putzy looking guy

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 15, 2018 01:55 PM (5y11N)

103
He spent the rest of the day probing his boyfriend's asshole.
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Shemp Smith

Posted by: DeploraBOT at February 15, 2018 01:55 PM (y3aQB)

104 >>>but did he have a Members Only jacket?

Not the most exclusive club TBH.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - NOW WITH VIP at February 15, 2018 01:55 PM (oHMUh)

105 how about we need common sense mental help for those screaming their dreams.

I mean this is actually pretty overt , yes?
Posted by: willow at February 15, 2018 01:44 PM (Z8j2x)

But what if they don't want - or won't accept mental help? I suspect that that's pretty common, and why we need to be able to drop a net on the mentally ill more easily than can be done at present.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 15, 2018 01:56 PM (MjCfq)

106 I don't really have an answer, but I do think there needs to be a better way to get crazy people identified as crazy and have some of their rights taken away until they can prove otherwise.

How you do this without it being weaponized in a larger sense is what scares me, but I am afraid if this keeps happening (and it will) the 2nd Amendment as we enjoy it is really going to be in jeopardy.

Posted by: Maritime at February 15, 2018 01:56 PM (lKmt3)

107 Maybe I'm alone here, but I'm just not interested in this or any other school shooting.

Bad things happen because of bad people.

This wasn't subversion or terrorism. It was just an asshole who wanted to kill some people and did. I don't find guys like this or serial killers interesting.

So, going to just skip threads about this kind of thing.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 15, 2018 01:56 PM (xJa6I)

108 I already slammed the FBI in the prior thread. Just for the record.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 15, 2018 01:56 PM (VHwfF)

109 96 Sure, he might have worn a MAGA hat, but did he have a Members Only jacket?
Posted by: Temperence Konstent at February 15, 2018 01:53 PM (ECDXs)

As long as he doesn't have a messenger bag, we're good.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 15, 2018 01:56 PM (MjCfq)

110 If there's.one thing mass murder is good for, it's campfire tales.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at February 15, 2018 01:56 PM (fA1SL)

111 The school should have kept him off campus.

Posted by: DaveA at February 15, 2018 01:56 PM (FhXTo)

112
Teachers and administrators need to be held more accountable for the actions and lack of actions considering the power and responsibilities delegated to them. We treat them like children where no consequences and accountability exists.

Posted by: Monk at February 15, 2018 01:56 PM (g4lFK)

113 like many disaffected teenagers, he probably 'supported' anything he thought would get a rise out of other people
and further feed into his persecution complex

Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at February 15, 2018 01:56 PM (RKQ/v)

114 So he was a 'member' of Republic of Florida ?

some white militia group ?

Left is gonna have a field day with that...

but lets wait and see how that info pans out

Posted by: McCool at February 15, 2018 01:56 PM (WXSv6)

115 66 What animals was he killing? I need to kill some squirrels in my backyard but I don't want to end up becoming a mass murderer or anything.
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An antifreeze squirrel feeder is just what you need.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 15, 2018 01:57 PM (YV+SU)

116 "Because we care so much about our mentally ill, we closed our own facility so that we don't have to worry our counselors with having to deal with them. The average member of the community has no. freaking. clue. And, near as I can tell, they don't want one."

I do have a clue, having some experience. And I know that the bottom line is always funding - actually the total lack of it. No one wants to pay to have to deal with these problems, especially when they can pretend they don't exist.''

I've known caseworkers who are supposed to complete full evaluations on 30 - 40 patients each 8 hour day, and that includes completing all paperwork. Not hard to figure out how much attention each new case gets.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 15, 2018 01:57 PM (k1TUh)

117 Tom Servo at February 15, 2018 01:52 PM

If you are going to start arresting people for making intemperate remarks, you will be arresting a lot of Democrats and I don't think they will like that at all.

Posted by: Temperence Konstent at February 15, 2018 01:57 PM (ECDXs)

118 "He was totally into Trump. Said if he didn't get 'The Wall' soon, he was gonna blow 17 people away," said Onione Satyre a 16 year old well rounded female sophomore who loves America but believes we have the right to question our leaders sometimes and keeps a copy of the Constitution in her purse.

Posted by: Mega at February 15, 2018 01:57 PM (Pd4hZ)

119 Everything points to some serious mental health issues with this kid. Losing his dad ten years before was probably tough. Then losing his mom so quickly? With no place to land? He broke. And he took it out on others. I'm not excusing his behavior at all, it's horrific. But I do think we need to reassess how communities deal with mental illness, because that seems to be the root of all these horrific school crimes, as opposed to ideology, which was what drove the Scalise shooting, and very likely the Las Vegas shooting.

The current protocol is to shove different medications down kids, and have them see a psychiatrist for 15 minutes once a month. That is not addressing mental illness, it's a crappy generic bandaid that doesn't stick to a gaping wound. Maybe look into working with that problem, before blaming politics for crimes.

Posted by: moki at February 15, 2018 01:57 PM (V+V48)

120 I missed the last thread, but wanted to add, go look for a pic of Bruce Ohr's wife. Once you're done fapping, you've gotta wonder, honeypot?

Posted by: mugiwara at February 15, 2018 01:58 PM (9IM2q)

121 Why would you disarm him? I've learned right here that taking guns from crazy people is a slippery slope toward a police state.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 15, 2018 01:52 PM (/tuJf)

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Well, with the process in the hands of the usual leftist suspects, it requires willful ignorance (of the sort you are displaying here) to not at least consider that the process could be intentionally misused.

The level of intellectual dishonesty on display here is at Garry Trudeau levels.

Many people here think you're a dick. There's a reason for that.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at February 15, 2018 01:58 PM (JPEYg)

122 In order to stop the push to restrict gun rights, those of us who support gun rights should also support increased surveillance of social media, and criminal charges based on any violent threats or postings on that media.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 15, 2018 01:52 PM (k1TUh)

And this is why Republicans lose.

Go ahead with this. Sign off on even more Domestic Surveillance ... and grant the State another Power. I'm sure they'll never, ever use it against the Citizenry.

But Hell ... maybe Just This One Time ... this one "compromise" won't turn into the new Opening Bargaining Position from which Progressives make their next demand.

You'll try to trade a little Freedom for Security. You'll get neither.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 15, 2018 01:58 PM (fiGNd)

123 Look to see if he has multiple copies of "Catcher in the Rye".

Posted by: Archer at February 15, 2018 01:58 PM (gbWkA)

124 I see MeAgain is trashing the NRA. Obviously seeking to regain relevancy and save her multimillion a year contract.

Posted by: Diogenes at February 15, 2018 01:58 PM (0tfLf)

125 I'm still wondering what people wanted the FBI to do.

I've been told that taking guns from crazy people is just a step toward total disarmament so what was the FBI supposed to do?

Posted by: JackStraw at February 15, 2018 01:58 PM (/tuJf)

126 Sure, he might have worn a MAGA hat, but did he have a Members Only jacket?
Posted by: Temperence Konstent at February 15, 2018 01:53 PM (ECDXs)

As long as he doesn't have a messenger bag, we're good.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

A JCREW messenger bag.
Because those come with butt plugs.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 15, 2018 01:58 PM (U7cLk)

127 How likely is it a Florida Hispanic would be a rabid Trump supporter? I'm not buying it.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 15, 2018 01:58 PM (/qEW2)

128 Has any Republican Rep called for Common Sense Gun Control yet?

Posted by: Under Fire at February 15, 2018 01:59 PM (r9UYA)

129 :::moves away from the line of fire:::

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - NOW WITH VIP at February 15, 2018 01:59 PM (oHMUh)

130 74 I betcha' he even had a commie flag ... tacked up on the wall inside of his garage.

Posted by: ScoggDog
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He's a snake in the grass I tell ya guys, he may look dumb but that's jus a disguise, he's a mastermind in the ways of espionage

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at February 15, 2018 01:59 PM (9ks3L)

131 sadly, in a real sense, wearing a maga hat to that high school could have been just anti-social behavior. I mean if he hates everyone and they are 90% liberals ... maga hat is an FU to others.

The pics I saw he had an Army stocking cap, so not sure what his "politics" were, but there was also reporting that he was part of "resistance" groups online, whatever that meant.

Antifa was not for him because they are mostly wimpy kids looking tough. They break windows and spray mace maybe ... can't recall ever seeing them in a serious fight.

We need more on what he actually wrote online in his resistance chats. A homicidal nut in any case.

Posted by: illiniwek at February 15, 2018 01:59 PM (bT8Z4)

132 I don't really have an answer, but I do think there needs to be a better way to get crazy people identified as crazy and have some of their rights taken away until they can prove otherwise.

How you do this without it being weaponized in a larger sense is what scares me, but I am afraid if this keeps happening (and it will) the 2nd Amendment as we enjoy it is really going to be in jeopardy.
Posted by: Maritime at February 15, 2018 01:56 PM (lKmt3)

I agree, but the problem is with the Supreme Court. Not even legislation can fix the problem, because (unless they've had a change of heart about the original decision) they'd presumably just rule any such legislation as un-Constitutional.

I've been advocating here for a loosening of the stringent standard for involuntary institutionalization, but I too worry about that being weaponized by the Left. I could see them bundling Rush off to the nut barn given half a chance, modeling themselves on their Soviet idols.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 15, 2018 01:59 PM (MjCfq)

133 The progressive response is typical, and fully in line with their world view. In attacking, denigrating and belittling people who HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH AN ACT OF EVIL, they (a) avoid any discussion of how to actually stop this madness, and (b) continue to justify their corrosive attack on civil society. This kid is evil, and all of the tell-tales were there in plain sight. The FBI? Too busy murdering ranchers (and lying about that, too) and collecting salacious dirt on their political enemies. Useless.

Posted by: ErikInTexas at February 15, 2018 01:59 PM (e3Ezr)

134 I figured if anyone was gonna snap it would be some kid named Ocean Parodie. What the fuck were his parents smoking?

Posted by: tu3031 at February 15, 2018 01:59 PM (O5Q3r)

135 Didn't get a chance to listen to it, but reading the transcript of Trump's speech today -- he nailed it.

Excerpt:
In these moments of heartache and darkness, we hold on to God's word in scripture: "I have heard your
prayer and seen your tears. I will heal you."We trust in that promise, and we hold fast to our fellow Americans in their time of sorrow.I want to speak now directly to America's children, especially those who
feel lost, alone, confused or even scared: I want you to know that you are never alone and you never will be. You have people who care about you, who love you, and who will do anything at all to protect you. If
you need help, turn to a teacher, a family member, a local police officer, or a faith leader. Answer hate with love; answer cruelty with kindness.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at February 15, 2018 01:51 PM (jxbfJ)

Yeah, this is nice. I didn't get a chance to hear it either.

and further,

"Answer hate with love; answer cruelty with kindness," he said. "We must also work together to create a culture in our country that embraces the dignity of life, that creates deep and meaningful human connections, and that turns classmates and colleagues into friends and neighbors."

this is very touching

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 15, 2018 01:59 PM (fceHP)

136 I would like to know when the immediate reaction of a shooting became to report on the shooter's politics. I assume it was about day 3 of Myspace when the press realized that a) there was now self-provided info publicly available about most people and b) they had a brand new wedge issue to use in the gun control debate, provided they could craft the conversation.

And they can.

Posted by: TexasDan at February 15, 2018 01:59 PM (jdBoA)

137 116 "Because we care so much about our mentally ill, we closed our own facility so that we don't have to worry our counselors with having to deal with them. The average member of the community has no. freaking. clue. And, near as I can tell, they don't want one."

I do have a clue, having some experience. And I know that the bottom line is always funding - actually the total lack of it. No one wants to pay to have to deal with these problems, especially when they can pretend they don't exist.''

I've known caseworkers who are supposed to complete full evaluations on 30 - 40 patients each 8 hour day, and that includes completing all paperwork. Not hard to figure out how much attention each new case gets.
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 15, 2018 01:57 PM (k1TUh)

This. You made a better point of what I was trying to say. Maybe give more of the grant money to mental health treatment than DACA perhaps? Take care of our own, and then worry about the rest of the world?

Sorry, that's just silly talk.

Posted by: moki at February 15, 2018 01:59 PM (V+V48)

138 If Obama wasn't able to get anything banned after Sandy Hook I have a hard time believing anything is going to happen because of this lunatic.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at February 15, 2018 01:59 PM (UBzPO)

139 It doesn't matter.
This is their modus operandi: throw lies and sh*t out there, then, even if proven false, they just move onto the next narrative, different lies and sh*t they throw out there, and on and on

+++

Which is why you go High Road

Posted by: Bigby's Pointy Finger at February 15, 2018 02:00 PM (mYDRQ)

140 117 Tom Servo at February 15, 2018 01:52 PM

If you are going to start arresting people for making intemperate remarks, you will be arresting a lot of Democrats and I don't think they will like that at all. "

That's a feature, not a bug.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 15, 2018 02:00 PM (k1TUh)

141 Many people here think you're a dick. There's a reason for that.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at February 15, 2018 01:58 PM (JPEYg)
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No Sweetheart many don't think JackStraw is a "Dick" But You just outed yourself

Posted by: DeploraBOT at February 15, 2018 02:00 PM (y3aQB)

142
With young men becoming more and more alienated, I would not be shocked to see this trend increase tbh. I'm not justifying it, I'm only saying that various applications of Marxism have consequences.

Posted by: Monk at February 15, 2018 02:00 PM (g4lFK)

143 Everyone, Please! everyone everyone...now now... Rush to judgement. Rush to judgement. People with credentials and training are interviewing hicks and hillbillies to mold and shape your opinions.

Rush to Judgement.

Posted by: Your Betters at February 15, 2018 02:00 PM (ymnmz)

144 A JCREW messenger bag.
Because those come with butt plugs.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 15, 2018 01:58 PM (U7cLk)

I think it's the other way around - if you get a butt plug, it comes with a JCREW messenger bag, but your point stands.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 15, 2018 02:00 PM (MjCfq)

145 >>Well, with the process in the hands of the usual leftist suspects, it requires willful ignorance (of the sort you are displaying here) to not at least consider that the process could be intentionally misused.

Guess what, the left can abuse just about anything that is put in place as we are seeing with the FBI/DOJ case. Is that an excuse to do nothing?

Or are you just being willfully ignorant and intellectually dishonest?

Posted by: JackStraw at February 15, 2018 02:00 PM (/tuJf)

146 Jay, i don't agree with dropping the mental health net on mental illness, mentally ill does not mean i kill You, although we have Many that Say and do just that.. Islam, blm, antifa tries.. and this kid, He WAS overt in his desire

and there is that line that is pretty clear.

Posted by: willow at February 15, 2018 02:00 PM (Z8j2x)

147 >>125 I'm still wondering what people wanted the FBI to do.

I've been told that taking guns from crazy people is just a step toward total disarmament so what was the FBI supposed to do?

Posted by: JackStraw at February 15, 2018 01:58 PM (/tuJf)

They may have wanted to talk to the scumbag.
Just spitballin' here

Posted by: Under Fire at February 15, 2018 02:00 PM (r9UYA)

148 120 I missed the last thread, but wanted to add, go look for a pic of Bruce Ohr's wife. Once you're done fapping, you've gotta wonder, honeypot?
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Every time I run into Nellie's picture I hear 'Hungry Like The Wolf' by Duran Duran.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 15, 2018 02:00 PM (YV+SU)

149 Some "white supremacist" group is claiming he was one of them, but I see zero reason to believe that simply on the word of an admitted nutjob.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 15, 2018 02:01 PM (39g3+)

150 the 2nd Amendment as we enjoy it is really going to be in jeopardy.
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Well it will have plenty of company among all the other amendments. Except the 14th, The One True Amendment.

Posted by: Mega at February 15, 2018 02:01 PM (Pd4hZ)

151 David French. Operation mockingbird?

Posted by: Simplemind at February 15, 2018 02:01 PM (NoZ4I)

152 Ah, good ole' BO chiming in on twitter that if only we had "common-sense gun control" this wouldn't have happened.

Okay JEF, like what?

...

What's that? Speak up, can't hear you over your bullshit and empty platitudes.

Posted by: Gaff at February 15, 2018 02:01 PM (jPS2y)

153 Why would we want an FBI big enough to prevent every school shooting?

Posted by: DaveA at February 15, 2018 02:01 PM (FhXTo)

154

See? SEE????

It's Trumps fault,, and yours. Had you all only voted correctly I would be president and none of this would have happened!!!!

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at February 15, 2018 02:01 PM (mPeei)

155 120 I missed the last thread, but wanted to add, go look for a pic of Bruce Ohr's wife. Once you're done fapping, you've gotta wonder, honeypot?

Posted by: mugiwara at February 15, 2018 01:58 PM

I'm thinking frau Bhruner...

Posted by: Diogenes at February 15, 2018 02:01 PM (0tfLf)

156 OT: 4th Circus upholds overturning of Trump Travel Ban. In an opinion, Chief Judge Roger Gregory says "The government's proffered rationale for the Proclamation lies at odds with the statements of the president himself."

Posted by: mercenary13 at February 15, 2018 02:01 PM (/KHU/)

157 If you are going to start arresting people for
making intemperate remarks, you will be arresting a lot of Democrats and
I don't think they will like that at all. "

That's a feature, not a bug.
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 15, 2018 02:00 PM (k1TUh)

Which is why the carrying on of the Left this past year has been a huge gift. Anyone who disagrees with them is a Nazi Russian Spy, after all. Their ravings today have less of an effect than they think.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at February 15, 2018 02:02 PM (UBzPO)

158 But Hell ... maybe Just This One Time ... this one "compromise" won't turn into the new Opening Bargaining Position from which Progressives make their next demand.

You'll try to trade a little Freedom for Security. You'll get neither.
Posted by: ScoggDog at February 15, 2018 01:58 PM (fiGNd)

Yes... the same government that just used Anti Espionage laws to Spy on the President of the US's staff...

Such a great idea to give them MORE power...

Posted by: Don Q....... at February 15, 2018 02:02 PM (NgKpN)

159 Why would you disarm him? I've learned right here that taking guns from crazy people is a slippery slope toward a police state.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 15, 2018 01:52 PM (/tuJf)

Skating away on the thin ice of a police state.....

Posted by: Mikey NTH -Exchange Your Old Wishful Thinking for a New Hopeful Shouting at The Outrage Outlet! at February 15, 2018 02:02 PM (hLRSq)

160 75 Didn't get a chance to listen to it, but reading the transcript of Trump's speech today -- he nailed it.

Excerpt:
In these moments of heartache and
darkness, we hold on to God's word in scripture: "I have heard your
prayer and seen your tears. I will heal you."We trust in that promise, and we hold fast to our fellow Americans in their time of sorrow.I
want to speak now directly to America's children, especially those who
feel lost, alone, confused or even scared: I want you to know that you
are never alone and you never will be. You have people who care about
you, who love you, and who will do anything at all to protect you. If
you need help, turn to a teacher, a family member, a local police
officer, or a faith leader. Answer hate with love; answer cruelty with
kindness.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at February 15, 2018 01:51 PM (jxbfJ)

Hate-filled screed!

Posted by: Lake Sarcasm at February 15, 2018 02:02 PM (RD7QR)

161 Yeah, this is nice. I didn't get a chance to hear it either.

and further,

"Answer hate with love; answer cruelty with kindness," he said. "We must also work together to create a culture in our country that embraces the dignity of life, that creates deep and meaningful human connections, and that turns classmates and colleagues into friends and neighbors."

this is very touching
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 15, 2018 01:59 PM (fceHP

I saw it and he did a magnificent job. It was Reaganesque and in fact reminded me of the Gipper's address when the Challenger exploded.

Posted by: JoeF. at February 15, 2018 02:02 PM (7uYFy)

162 >>They may have wanted to talk to the scumbag.
Just spitballin' here

And then what?

Posted by: JackStraw at February 15, 2018 02:02 PM (/tuJf)

163 They may have wanted to talk to the scumbag.
Just spitballin' here
Posted by: Under Fire at February 15, 2018 02:00 PM (r9UYA)
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100% agreement & look into his background & Voila they would have found his vast Mental Health issues

Posted by: DeploraBOT at February 15, 2018 02:02 PM (y3aQB)

164 anyway, you couldn't give me that job/deciding what criteria for for the world, i'd rather be a poop scooper.

Posted by: willow at February 15, 2018 02:02 PM (Z8j2x)

165
Genesis 6:9 - 6:12
The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.

And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all was █████ banana
███ split ██████ █████ guy ██████

Posted by: James Comey, teetering closer to the edge of the abyss at February 15, 2018 02:03 PM (2FqvZ)

166 I've been told that taking guns from crazy people is just a step toward total disarmament so what was the FBI supposed to do?
Posted by: JackStraw at February 15, 2018 01:58 PM

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The choice is not binary. There are degrees of control. Take your false binary choice clapper lines to show business where they belong.

There are processes in place that were not even attempted. What should have been done? Use the existing process before suggesting new processes.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at February 15, 2018 02:03 PM (JPEYg)

167 "Of course, the homoerotic authority-worshippers of the right, like David French, are squealing that it's just terrible to question the FBI about this grotesque and catastrophic failure."

My Mr. French could kick David French's bald ass.

Posted by: Uncle Bill at February 15, 2018 02:03 PM (OD2ni)

168 Many people here think you're a dick. There's a reason for that.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at February 15, 2018 01:58 PM (JPEYg)

Many people?I don't think he's a dick. I think he's a jack. Actually, I appreciate his intelligence and thoughtfulness and contributions.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 15, 2018 02:03 PM (8+Ozj)

169
Ah, good ole' BO chiming in on twitter that if only we had "common-sense gun control" this wouldn't have happened.

That's deep

Posted by: Symour Butts at February 15, 2018 02:03 PM (lKyWE)

170 "Has any Republican Rep called for Common Sense Gun Control yet? "

they took away common sense crazy person control, in order to pile up incidents that to help their "confiscation goal".

Common sense was Giuliani's stop and frisk in high crime areas,

and home visit (and maybe more) for a guy making threats to kill, and evidence he is serious.

and close the border to illegal trafficking of guns/drugs/humans.

But NOPE ... can't have that, DC has bigger plans for us.

Posted by: illiniwek at February 15, 2018 02:04 PM (bT8Z4)

171
147 >>125 I'm still wondering what people wanted the FBI to do.

I've been told that taking guns from crazy people is just a step toward total disarmament so what was the FBI supposed to do?

Posted by: JackStraw at February 15, 2018 01:58 PM (/tuJf)

They may have wanted to talk to the scumbag.
Just spitballin' here
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This used to be the province of local cops. The normal MO is for a couple of cops to visit him and talk to him about his statements and his arsenal. Basically do a meet and greet and see how creepy and deranged the kid is. Normally, the result is the kid was just showing off for his friends and the sight of cops made his balls recede into his groin. If not, then the cops have enough information to seek a search warrant for weapons and ammunition and explosives. FBI doesn't have time for this, the local city police do.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 15, 2018 02:04 PM (YV+SU)

172 of "resistance" groups online
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Nor will you find out.

The "resistance" hashtag against trump.

Posted by: Simplemind at February 15, 2018 02:04 PM (Ljk2H)

173 153
Why would we want an FBI big enough to prevent every school shooting?

Posted by: DaveA at February 15, 2018 02:01 PM (FhXTo)

shudders

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at February 15, 2018 02:04 PM (ymnmz)

174 Ah, good ole' BO chiming in on twitter that if only we had "common-sense gun control" this wouldn't have happened.

Always good to hear from America's Greatest Gun Salesman.

Posted by: tu3031 at February 15, 2018 02:05 PM (O5Q3r)

175 as a lifelong conservative Christian, I am deeply concerned with this shooting since an AR15 was used
I now am convinced that the only people responsible enough to use these death machines are military cops, present and retired of course
due to our incredible training and outstanding moral attributes of course

Posted by: concerned ncj is concerned at February 15, 2018 02:05 PM (t6+RR)

176
Many people here think you're a dick. There's a reason for that. Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at February 15, 2018 01:58 PM (JPEYg)

I know dicks and he's no dick

Posted by: Shep Smith at February 15, 2018 02:05 PM (lKyWE)

177 anyway one thing we could do is assure those guarding His school actually Knew When they needed to use their training .

Posted by: willow at February 15, 2018 02:05 PM (Z8j2x)

178
The FBI definitely could have ID'd this guy. I really don't see why they went BACK to the YouTube'r and asked him AGAIN if he knew the guy. Should have contacted YouTube, found the IP of the guy if recorded, etc., etc.

In the late 1990s my sister was sysadmin at a startup ISP. She contacted the FBI a few times on various network break in attempts. The FBI field office at least that she talked to was CLUELESS about IP addresses, networks, etc. Hopefully they've come up to speed by now??

Posted by: Sphynx at February 15, 2018 02:05 PM (OZmbA)

179 so what was the FBI supposed to do?

Turn off the lights like the playbook says.

Posted by: DaveA at February 15, 2018 02:05 PM (FhXTo)

180 166
I've been told that taking guns from crazy people is just a step toward total disarmament so what was the FBI supposed to do?

Posted by: JackStraw at February 15, 2018 01:58 PM

These are the same people who honestly believe voting for Trump is proof of mental illness. Have you surrendered your guns to them yet?

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at February 15, 2018 02:05 PM (UBzPO)

181 "I saw him wear a Trump hat" . . . "Komrad."

Posted by: m at February 15, 2018 02:06 PM (VKsXm)

182 The bottom line is that you can track the increase in these kind of events with the collapse of any basic societal understanding of right and wrong.

When you deliberately obliterate every basic societal structure and influence on morality and teach everyone that right and wrong, good and evil are merely relative and anyone can make their own moral narrative, is it any surprise you get a rise of evil?

Morality is absolute and objective: that is, something that is wrong is simply wrong, not just an opinion. And it comes from outside us, not inside us; we do not determine good and evil based on our whims. Nazi Germany and school shootings are always wrong, and evil, even if the people involved thought they were doing the right thing.

The left has successfully destroyed the basic skeleton of America that kept it upright and structured without anything to take its place. Its one thing to remove a basic moral code and system of traditional behavior and ethics, its another to simply leave things that way instead of coming up with an alternative.

The left does have their code of ethics: abortion, oppression vs tyranny, racism etc. It just can't serve as a skeleton for a society to build around because it changes almost daily. What was once good becomes evil within months. Progressivism by its very definition and meaning has to keep changing -- "progressing" or it ceases to have meaning and power. Which means it provides no structure or strength whatsoever.

Its... sinking sand.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 15, 2018 02:06 PM (39g3+)

183 http://bit.ly/2Ggl6Uj
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WSJ: Peter Thiel Leaves Silicon Valley 'One-Party State'

Posted by: DeploraBOT at February 15, 2018 02:06 PM (y3aQB)

184 174. Took him a while, didn't it?

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at February 15, 2018 02:06 PM (fA1SL)

185 >>The choice is not binary. There are degrees of control. Take your false binary choice clapper lines to show business where they belong.

>>There are processes in place that were not even attempted. What should have been done? Use the existing process before suggesting new processes.

What existing process? All I have suggested is that people with obvious mental issues and who have made threats like I plan to become a "professional school shooter" and have been kicked out of school for violent acts and barred from the campus not be given access to weapons and that was enough to get me branded a gun grabber.

So stop projecting things I never said and using straw men to make arguments I never suggested and tell me what existing process you want to use when this kind of thing happens.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 15, 2018 02:06 PM (/tuJf)

186 >> Some "white supremacist" group is claiming he was one of them, but I see zero reason to believe that simply on the word of an admitted nutjob.

I'm sure the MSM will hand wave that away like they do when ISIS claims a loner as their own.

NOT

Posted by: McCool at February 15, 2018 02:06 PM (WXSv6)

187 FBI doesn't have time for this, the local city police do.
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 15, 2018 02:04 PM (YV+SU)

good point

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 15, 2018 02:06 PM (fceHP)

188 I agree, but the problem is with the Supreme Court. Not even legislation can fix the problem, because (unless they've had a change of heart about the original decision) they'd presumably just rule any such legislation as un-Constitutional.

I've been advocating here for a loosening of the stringent standard for involuntary institutionalization, but I too worry about that being weaponized by the Left. I could see them bundling Rush off to the nut barn given half a chance, modeling themselves on their Soviet idols.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

_________

It's not an unfounded fear, but if mass amounts of people are being institutionalized against their will over political disagreements, I would say we're already in the midst of a hot war and bullets are flying.

I personally am willing to have civil rights loosened on people being institutionalized as long as there are some protocols being followed and see what happens.

I just know ,for instance I have a distant relative that is straight up crazy,needs to be institutionalized, is a danger to herself and other people, has been arrested multiple times, and nobody can do anything about it.

Posted by: Maritime at February 15, 2018 02:06 PM (lKmt3)

189
Maybe Bruce Ohr was on it and forgot.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 15, 2018 02:07 PM (r+sAi)

190 If you are going to start arresting people for making intemperate remarks, you will be arresting a lot of Democrats and I don't think they will like that at all. "

That's a feature, not a bug.
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 15, 2018 02:00 PM (k1TUh)

But, don't forget, they'd be using it on us, too. You impugned a Democrat's honor, intelligence, patriotism, or ancestry? Come along, quietly, please.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 15, 2018 02:07 PM (MjCfq)

191 Why don't the schools have basic entryway security? This animal walked into the school with an AR 15, several magazines, a gas mask, and smoke bombs without any hinderance what so ever.

Posted by: Queequeg the Harpooner at February 15, 2018 02:07 PM (9X60i)

192 I don't really have an answer, but I do think there needs to be a better way to get crazy people identified as crazy and have some of their rights taken away until they can prove otherwise.

I think a few members of the Horde have posted some very common sense approaches to this the last few days. 2 in particular that I've seen. Of course, they are too level headed to ever be discussed in the news, even if someone saw them.

If I knew a way to raise them to a level of awareness I would. Someone else here probably does. E-mail them to a good Senator or Congressman. And a good news media outlet.
Do it anonymously if you don't want your name attached...it's quite easy. Call the office first and tell them to watch for it.

None of them will come up with it on their own. You'd be surprised how open they are to good ideas if you choose the right person. And the more that send it the better.

I saw my fax make the Capitol Steps a few years ago. After I called the office and they asked me to send it. The guy has since retired, or I'd do it again.

Ya wonder how they left is successful? They do this stuff I'm mentioning. No qualms. Positive the Right doesn't...if we did we wouldn't be in the pickle we are now with illegal immigration and so many other things.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 15, 2018 02:07 PM (VHwfF)

193 "56 to be fair, the liberals will eventually get their great white hope of an actual right wing nut job who went all liberal on people.
Posted by: zibbly wibbly"

Tom Wolfe pointed this out in Bonfire of the Vanities over 30 years ago.

Posted by: Benji Carver at February 15, 2018 02:08 PM (OD2ni)

194 90 So the FBI is basically Law Enforcement Theater? They occasionally rough up and inconvenience a few innocent folks, to make it look like they're doing something. Then they go back to surfing porn.

Posted by: Chris M at February 15, 2018 01:53 PM (eAZVt)

The FBI has become just as incompetent as the rest of DC.

Posted by: REDACTED at February 15, 2018 02:08 PM (VWsDy)

195
Actually, I've read he was researching 'Syrian resistance fighters' which definitely puts him in the ''John McCain style'' republican group. Whatever the hell that group is.

The ones most eager to start WWIII, I believe.

Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at February 15, 2018 02:08 PM (2FqvZ)

196 I saw it and he did a magnificent job. It was Reaganesque and in fact reminded me of the Gipper's address when the Challenger exploded.
Posted by: JoeF. at February 15, 2018 02:02 PM (7uYFy)

Do we know who wrote it?

I don't mean that as a slam on Trump, I'm legit curious who wrote it because the SOTU was magnificent and so was the bitch slapping of the UN and now this.

I was just wondering if it was the same set of people.

Posted by: alexthechick - Breathe deeply. Namaste. Prayer-hands. Warrior Pose. at February 15, 2018 02:08 PM (mf5HN)

197 Nancy French is a real minx and loves The Paolo.

Posted by: Paolo at February 15, 2018 02:08 PM (OD2ni)

198 I still wonder if Valentine's Day had something to do with it--spurned love, etc. It's still early, so maybe something will come out about that.

Also, there was a song called "Valentine's Day" on David Bowie's penultimate album about a kid who went nuts and shot up a bunch of classmates.
I doubt he heard that though.

Posted by: JoeF. at February 15, 2018 02:08 PM (7uYFy)

199 I've never done the 80% lower thing. On days like this I start thinking maybe that was a mistake.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at February 15, 2018 02:09 PM (398bZ)

200 What existing process? All I have suggested is that
people with obvious mental issues and who have made threats like I plan
to become a "professional school shooter" and have been kicked out of
school for violent acts and barred from the campus not be given access
to weapons and that was enough to get me branded a gun grabber.

So stop projecting things I never said and using straw men to make
arguments I never suggested and tell me what existing process you want
to use when this kind of thing happens.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 15, 2018 02:06 PM (/tuJf)

And we're trying to explain to you that your very own post history here is enough for these "deciders" to declare that you have "obvious mental issues" and therefore must be disarmed.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at February 15, 2018 02:09 PM (UBzPO)

201 Posted by: concerned ncj is concerned at February 15, 2018 02:05 PM (t6+RR)

Mary Clog is socking herself?

Posted by: auscolpyr at February 15, 2018 02:09 PM (suO/a)

202
Stop alienating men and this shit will stop. We don't need a fucking police state for this common sense approach. Boys are transitioning to girls, boys are having their maleness demonized 24/7 from the schools to the culture, boys are being fed drugs because they act like boys in school age age 5 and 6, young men are entering job markets where feminism has moved them out, boys grow up and see their fathers and other men destroyed by family courts, men are committing suicide at a 8-1 ratio after a separation, false allegation destroy their lives or the threat exists, married men are too big a pussies to acknowledge the current state of men and boys because they don't want to upset their wives.

We don't need a fucking police state. We need to stop handing our rights and privileges to those who have not earned them and to those who are not held accountable and do not face any consequences

A police state is a sign of what a woman would want. It's an emotional response.

Posted by: Monk at February 15, 2018 02:09 PM (g4lFK)

203
Also, there was a song called "Valentine's Day" on David Bowie's penultimate album about a kid who went nuts and shot up a bunch of classmates.
I doubt he heard that though.
Posted by: JoeF. at February 15, 2018 02:08 PM (7uYFy)

"We need common sense songwriting-control."

Posted by: Barky McFuckWad at February 15, 2018 02:10 PM (7uYFy)

204 Once you understand that the FIB is just another political arm of the anti-American democrat party, it all makes sense.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at February 15, 2018 02:10 PM (3BFzK)

205 FBI could have looked into the guy more closely, even visited parents "hey, this looks like maybe a problem" or the kid. "are you okay? We have our eye on you, behave."

That doesn't always work, I think it was the Charleston church shooter that was visited by the FBI a couple times.

But doing nothing at all, then claiming they couldn't identify the guy??? Too busy with fake Russia claims and sexting each other, apparently.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 15, 2018 02:10 PM (39g3+)

206 Posted by: Puddin Head at February 15, 2018 02:04 PM (YV+SU)

Good point... and in fact, this guy will get charged under STATE Law... not Federal...

Posted by: Don Q....... at February 15, 2018 02:10 PM (NgKpN)

207 I personally am willing to have civil rights loosened on people being institutionalized as long as there are some protocols being followed and see what happens.

Posted by: Maritime at February 15, 2018 02:06 PM (lKmt3)

Me too. I'd like to see the Supremes revisit their O'Connor v. Donaldson decision and replace it with a looser standard that involves safeguards.

The trouble with legislation - even if such were not declared un-Constitutional - is that writing it is like driving with someone constantly grabbing at the wheel and yanking it one way and another. God knows what would come out of the process, but it would probably be bad.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 15, 2018 02:10 PM (MjCfq)

208 On the Trump MAGA hat, I can easily see that being the same as the Columbine Colorado shooters and the Marilyn Manson stuff, just a way to "scandalous" and get attention. Marilyn Manson has zero to do with a school shooting just like Trump has zero to do with this

But at the same time, I'm not going to pretend that any deranged killer can only have the politics that are opposite of mine. That's delusional. This man could definitely be a right winger. Its irrelevant.

Posted by: Maritime at February 15, 2018 02:10 PM (lKmt3)

209 My favorite part about the whole "common sense" gun control is it almost is always 100% actually "ban all the guns". And when called on it, the answer is "shut up tho".

We already know how it turns out. The crazies and criminals will still have guns (and that's how group A will have guns after they buy them from group B), and we'll still have these events occurring.

Given how prohibition on alcohol turned out, I can only imagine the shitshow a full on gun ban will bring on.

Posted by: Gaff at February 15, 2018 02:10 PM (jPS2y)

210 You'll try to trade a little Freedom for Security. You'll get neither."

The problem we have is that "oh well a bunch of kids will die every other month or so, nothing we can do about it" is not a very viable political solution. We're going to lose the fight if that's our go-to line.

This attack could have been prevented, on mental health grounds. No old-style conservative would have dreamed of allowing someone who said and did the kinds of things this kid said and did, to run free. He should have been institutionalized long ago. We, as a society, had the information. We simply did not have the nerve to make a hard choice.

"if you choose not to decide..."

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 15, 2018 02:10 PM (k1TUh)

211
My advice would be to record all the roundtables and panel discussions on CNN, MSPMS and the usual suspects about this case, how the kid was a Trump supporter, how that leads to violence, etc., etc..

. . . For when it finally comes out that the Vegas shooter was a Bernie/Hillary fanatic trying to take out the "rednecks."

Posted by: Sphynx at February 15, 2018 02:11 PM (OZmbA)

212 Ya know, I wouldn't be surprised to find out Ocean said he wore a MAGA hat in response to a direct question from the interviewer. "Did he like Trump? How do you know?"

Posted by: Bigby's Pointy Finger at February 15, 2018 02:11 PM (mYDRQ)

213 A police state is a sign of what a woman would want. It's an emotional response.
Posted by: Monk at February 15, 2018 02:09 PM (g4lFK)

Yes, I'm sure all the woman on here as well as others who voted for Trump want a police state/s

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 15, 2018 02:11 PM (8+Ozj)

214 He wore a Hat!

Posted by: Fritz at February 15, 2018 02:11 PM (2Mnv1)

215 I was just wondering if it was the same set of people.

Posted by: alexthechick - Breathe deeply. Namaste. Prayer-hands. Warrior Pose. at February 15, 2018 02:08 PM

That's an interesting question, because I've read that both Porter and the 'other guy/speechwriter' who both left were involved in writing the SOTU.

Trump must have a strong bench.

Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at February 15, 2018 02:11 PM (2FqvZ)

216 I'm sure the MSM will hand wave that away like they do when ISIS claims a loner as their own.

Yeah, no they are promoting it quite a bit. AP says that it was "confirmed" he was a member of the group, because some crank said so.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 15, 2018 02:11 PM (39g3+)

217 I've been advocating here for a loosening of the stringent standard for involuntary institutionalization, but I too worry about that being weaponized by the Left. I could see them bundling Rush off to the nut barn given half a chance, modeling themselves on their Soviet idols.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 15, 2018 01:59 PM (MjCfq)

Here's the thing ... hat-tip to the Horde folks that mentioned this earlier ... but according to my reading, this ain't Young Master Cruz's first rodeo.

This 19 year old didn't just go from Troubled Teen to School Shooter. We've got multiple school suspensions and expulsions. He previously carried live-rounds to school. He was charged with shooting at a neighbor's livestock. Multiple fights on school grounds.

This kid didn't snap ... he built up to this. Including committing multiple crimes. Never spent a minute in jail - best I can tell.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 15, 2018 02:11 PM (fiGNd)

218 if I may....
the system failed horribly as we all know
once he did the youtube threat he should have been identified and the local da should have petitioned the court to have his weapons confiscated
that being said this fucker was evil, there was no way to stop him if he really wanted to blast the place up
to easy to get black market guns and the modern culture glorifies these monsters
just proves again that people need some jesus in their lives

Posted by: concerned ncj is concerned at February 15, 2018 02:12 PM (t6+RR)

219 All right, I went way too far with my "dick" remark and related reactions to his reductio ad absurdum. I take it back and apologize to Mr. Jack Straw.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at February 15, 2018 02:12 PM (JPEYg)

220 "Ocean Parodie."

She sounds like fun.

Posted by: This....is CNN at February 15, 2018 02:12 PM (ptqGC)

221 The courts took God out of the schools and satan moved in.

Posted by: torabora at February 15, 2018 02:12 PM (K0z2U)

222 Without responding to one specific post, this is not about a few comments this guy made, or any one isolated incident. So spare me all the false outrage about that. This is about a preponderance of evidence across the board from everyone, including the kid himself.

So please stop with the focus on just one element of his words and behavior and freaking out. This guy raised red flags in every single solitary conceivable way he could over years. Even a parental figure went to the police.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 15, 2018 02:12 PM (VHwfF)

223 I'm not going to check, but by now someone on the left has to be "asking questions" about the coincidence of Remington's bankruptcy and thus shooting, on the theory that shootings get talk of confiscation started, which is always good for gun sales.

Posted by: TexasDan at February 15, 2018 02:12 PM (jdBoA)

224 when it finally comes out that the Vegas shooter was a Bernie/Hillary fanatic trying to take out the "rednecks."

I give it 75-25 that was the reason for his targeting that particular audience.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 15, 2018 02:12 PM (39g3+)

225 In 2013, the Broward County School Board, the Teachers Union, the NAACP, law enforcement, politicians and the Diversity Board entered a Holder-style agreement to change the rules about school arrests due to concerns over disparate impact on minorities.

They removed "threats" from the list of arrestable offenses. How's that working out for you, Broward?

Somebody needs to ask this sheriff if his office still supports that rule change. I can understand taking grafitti vandals or pot-smokers off the list--but threats of violence at school should have never been removed. "If you see something, say something" was pre-emptively banned for race-based political correctness.

Had this little son of a bitch been arrested for threats and bringing bullets on campus, he would have been prohibited from buying weapons. His arrest also would have shown up when the FBI was looking for "Nikolas Cruz" professional school shooter.

in fairness to the FBI they were pretty busy picking our president for us, having decided that Donald Trump was the Real Threat.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at February 15, 2018 02:12 PM (kUSzu)

226 Off, commie news sock.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 15, 2018 02:12 PM (ptqGC)

227 Maybe public schools need to be like the military and turn away anyone who has been on add/adhd drugs within the year prior. And then on a case by case basis after doing a background check, maybe let them in.

Posted by: NCKate at February 15, 2018 02:13 PM (gEfBt)

228
Well, you know, this sick son of a bitch, Nicolas Cruz is photoed wearing a Seattle Seahawks logo.
So obviously those dirty Seahawks were enablers of this bastard.

Posted by: Cold Civil War at February 15, 2018 02:13 PM (Z2PYk)

229 One should always remember that man and his thought process are a product of nature. Any action by man is a blip on the radar. Nature makes a million mistakes before it gets something right.

Posted by: REDACTED at February 15, 2018 02:13 PM (VWsDy)

230 http://bit.ly/2GgWw5E
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LIES! FBI Says They Could Not Identify "Nikolas Cruz" after YouTube Threats - BUT HIS PROFILE WAS ALL OVER SOCIAL MEDIA!

Posted by: DeploraBOT at February 15, 2018 02:13 PM (y3aQB)

231 Remember "fast and furious"? The FBI did their best to CREATE a mass shooting (if you have another explanation I'm all ears). They certainly wouldn't bother preventing one. Dead kids are political points for them.

Posted by: Lord Culvert at February 15, 2018 02:13 PM (iZnjM)

232 201 HEATHEN!!!

Posted by: concerned ncj is concerned at February 15, 2018 02:13 PM (t6+RR)

233 >>And we're trying to explain to you that your very own post history here is enough for these "deciders" to declare that you have "obvious mental issues" and therefore must be disarmed.

Which is stupid. We can't even take weapons from guys like Jared Loughner of this bag of toys.

People are advocating the FBI visit this kid. Ok, and then what since taking his weapons is not an option.

If you don't advocate preventing mentally ill people who have demonstrated violent tendencies and advocated for mass violence from having guns then I'm sincerely asking what solution you are proposing if any.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 15, 2018 02:14 PM (/tuJf)

234 Switch everything to online education.

Problem solved.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at February 15, 2018 02:14 PM (wGbBR)

235 228
Well, you know, this sick son of a bitch, Nicolas Cruz is photoed wearing a Seattle Seahawks logo.
So obviously those dirty Seahawks were enablers of this bastard.

Posted by: Cold Civil War at February 15, 2018 02:13 PM (Z2PYk)

I KNEW it! Fucking Seahawks...

Posted by: Insomniac at February 15, 2018 02:14 PM (NWiLs)

236 I've been advocating here for a loosening of the stringent standard for involuntary institutionalization, but I too worry about that being weaponized by the Left. I could see them bundling Rush off to the nut barn given half a chance, modeling themselves on their Soviet idols.

I agree, and have the same conflict in my mind. Like the idea of shipping food rather than money to buy food for food stamp recipients. On the one hand: well good, they won't use it to buy crap any more. On the other: do I want Michelle Obama in charge of what people have to eat?

If we could remotely trust our government to be wise and just and reasonable, then these programs could be okay, but... we can't. Its the monarch paradox: even if you get a really good king who can be trusted with all that power, who comes after him?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 15, 2018 02:14 PM (39g3+)

237 I've been advocating here for a loosening of the stringent standard for involuntary institutionalization, but I too worry about that being weaponized by the Left. I could see them bundling Rush off to the nut barn given half a chance, modeling themselves on their Soviet idols.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 15, 2018 01:59 PM (MjCfq)

Here's the thing ... hat-tip to the Horde folks that mentioned this earlier ... but according to my reading, this ain't Young Master Cruz's first rodeo.

This 19 year old didn't just go from Troubled Teen to School Shooter. We've got multiple school suspensions and expulsions. He previously carried live-rounds to school. He was charged with shooting at a neighbor's livestock. Multiple fights on school grounds.

This kid didn't snap ... he built up to this. Including committing multiple crimes. Never spent a minute in jail - best I can tell.
Posted by: ScoggDog at February 15, 2018 02:11 PM (fiGNd)

Thank you ScoggDog. You said it better than me.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 15, 2018 02:14 PM (VHwfF)

238 The current protocol is to shove different medications down kids, and have them see a psychiatrist for 15 minutes once a month. That is not addressing mental illness, it's a crappy generic bandaid that doesn't stick to a gaping wound. Maybe look into working with that problem, before blaming politics for crimes.
Posted by: moki at February 15, 2018 01:57 PM (V+V4

Was he on or did he ever take medications for things like ADHD? So many of these mass shooters ( all young males with a history of mental illness) have those kinds of prescription drugs in their background. Similar to what' s up with young men who attack cops : they usually have some kind of mind-affecting drug in their systems. Hmmm...maybe young men have something going on in their developing brains that makes them highly sensitive to chemicals that directly affect their nervous system. If only the left were the party of science and actually cared about people's health and well-being, this is a topic which could be thoroughly explored. Instead, they are only interested in power grabs verging closer and closer to stomping on the neck of average Americans.

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at February 15, 2018 02:15 PM (SGpFT)

239 Ocean Parodie's brother's name is Seagull, FWIW.

Just kidding. Sort of.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 15, 2018 02:15 PM (ptqGC)

240
A police state is a sign of what a woman would want. It's an emotional response. Posted by: Monk at February 15, 2018 02:09 PM (g4lFK)

I doubt it. I can't think of a police state where women fare well.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at February 15, 2018 02:15 PM (lKyWE)

241 Posted by: The Gipper Lives at February 15, 2018 02:12 PM (kUSzu)

That is also not uncommon. Once, in this area's case, LULAC got involved, bitched to TEA and lo and behold, the local HS relaxed punishment of students for infractions and behavior who just happened to be from a certain ethnic group.

Surprise, surprise, the student body behaviors got worse.

Posted by: auscolpyr at February 15, 2018 02:15 PM (suO/a)

242 The left has successfully destroyed the basic skeleton of America that kept it upright and structured without anything to take its place. Its one thing to remove a basic moral code and system of traditional behavior and ethics, its another to simply leave things that way instead of coming up with an alternative.

The left does have their code of ethics: abortion, oppression vs tyranny, racism etc. It just can't serve as a skeleton for a society to build around because it changes almost daily. What was once good becomes evil within months. Progressivism by its very definition and meaning has to keep changing -- "progressing" or it ceases to have meaning and power. Which means it provides no structure or strength whatsoever.

Its... sinking sand.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 15, 2018 02:06 PM (39g3+)

If you didn't read pjmedia's headliner today

Flashback 30 Years: Guns Were in Schools ... and Nothing Happened

What changed?

You should. It pinpoints a lot of issues.

There was a time in America, before the Snowflakes, when any adult on the block could reprimand a neighborhood kid who was out of line without fear.

Even thirty years ago, the culture still had invisible restraints developed over centuries. Those restraints, those leveling commonalities, were the target of a half-century of attack by the freewheeling counterculture that has now become the dominant replacement culture.

Hollywood made fun of these restraints in films too numerous to list.

The sixties mantra "don't trust anyone over thirty" has become a billion-dollar industry devoted to the child always being right -- a sometimes deeply medicated brat who disrupts the classroom or escapes what used to be resolved with a paddling.

Instead of telling the kid to quit kicking the back of the seat, we buy seat guards to protect the seat.

that whole idea of the child always being right, or having power has always p*ssed me off. We all know how naive and ignorant we all were at an early age. I know I've said this too many times on this thread, but it always bothered me when they started showing kids in movies, commercials, tv programs being "smarter" than their parents, and smarter about just about everything. The way shows make men look dumb and worthless against all women these days. Same idea.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 15, 2018 02:16 PM (fceHP)

243 219 All right, I went way too far with my "dick" remark and related reactions to his reductio ad absurdum. I take it back and apologize to Mr. Jack Straw.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at February 15, 2018 02:12 PM (JPEYg)

Good for you. We've all gone a little too far on occasion. At least I know I have. This is the right response.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at February 15, 2018 02:16 PM (398bZ)

244 In 2013, the Broward County School Board, the Teachers Union, the NAACP, law enforcement, politicians and the Diversity Board entered a Holder-style agreement to change the rules about school arrests due to concerns over disparate impact on minorities.

Yeah exactly. This is happening across the country: you're busting too many (insert local minority group), change your behavior.

Maybe that group should change its behavior??

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 15, 2018 02:16 PM (39g3+)

245 234 Switch everything to online education.

Problem solved.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at February 15, 2018 02:14 PM (wGbBR)

Ace of Spades University.

And you're right.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 15, 2018 02:16 PM (mbhDw)

246
That doesn't always work, I think it was the Charleston church shooter that was visited by the FBI a couple times.

But doing nothing at all, then claiming they couldn't identify the guy??? Too busy with fake Russia claims and sexting each other, apparently.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 15, 2018 02:10 PM (39g3+)

Is the potential crime even in the FBI Jurisdiction?

Now... Florida Dept. of Law Enforcement? That's another story...

But... did they warn the FBI, not the State... and did the FBI forward that warning to the State?

Posted by: Don Q....... at February 15, 2018 02:16 PM (NgKpN)

247 Stop alienating men and this shit will stop. We don't need a fucking police state for this common sense approach. Boys are transitioning to girls, boys are having their maleness demonized 24/7 from the schools to the culture, boys are being fed drugs because they act like boys in school age age 5 and 6, young men are entering job markets where feminism has moved them out, boys grow up and see their fathers and other men destroyed by family courts, men are committing suicide at a 8-1 ratio after a separation, false allegation destroy their lives or the threat exists, married men are too big a pussies to acknowledge the current state of men and boys because they don't want to upset their wives.

We don't need a fucking police state. We need to stop handing our rights and privileges to those who have not earned them and to those who are not held accountable and do not face any consequences

A police state is a sign of what a woman would want. It's an emotional response.
Posted by: Monk at February 15, 2018 02:09 PM (g4lFK)
--
well that's helpful.

Posted by: willow at February 15, 2018 02:16 PM (Z8j2x)

248 A police state is a sign of what a woman would want. It's an emotional response.
Posted by: Monk

___________

if you want to know what demographic has the ability to take away our guns, its definitely female voters.

Even conservative Republican women I know are pretty anti-gun.

I actually got into a big argument with my wife about this shooting and she (and a lot of women) just have this posture of "its too easy for people to get guns and something needs to be done"

I asked her what law could have ben passed to have stopped this, and of course its crickets.

But if this keeps happening over and over again, our 2nd Amendment rights are going to be in jeopardy.

Crazy people need to be addressed.

Posted by: Maritime at February 15, 2018 02:16 PM (lKmt3)

249
Well, you know, this sick son of a bitch, Nicolas Cruz is photoed wearing a Seattle Seahawks logo. So obviously those dirty Seahawks were enablers of this bastard.

I thought it was an Eagles logo

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at February 15, 2018 02:16 PM (lKyWE)

250 228 Nicolas Cruz is photoed wearing a Seattle Seahawks logo. So obviously those dirty Seahawks were enablers of this bastard.

if it was a st louis cardinals hat I would have to agree with you

Posted by: concerned ncj is concerned at February 15, 2018 02:16 PM (t6+RR)

251 17 I can see why the FBI couldn't "fully identify" the commenter -- all he did was leave the comment under his actual legal name, along with the uncommon spelling of his first name.

It's hard to "fully identify" someone based on their full legal name and their YouTube login and their IP and all that, I guess.

Sometimes I get the impression that the FBI couldn't find its ass with both hands and a flashlight, and GPS coordinates.

FIFY

Posted by: JustJohn at February 15, 2018 02:17 PM (XwTN8)

252 219 All right, I went way too far with my "dick" remark and related reactions to his reductio ad absurdum. I take it back and apologize to Mr. Jack Straw.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at February 15, 2018 02:12 PM (JPEYg)

You know that this is the AOS. All behaviors are acceptable

Posted by: REDACTED at February 15, 2018 02:17 PM (VWsDy)

253 243 219 All right, I went way too far with my "dick" remark and related reactions to his reductio ad absurdum. I take it back and apologize to Mr. Jack Straw.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at February 15, 2018 02:12 PM (JPEYg)

Good for you. We've all gone a little too far on occasion. At least I know I have. This is the right response.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at February 15, 2018 02:16 PM (398bZ)

Pussies.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 15, 2018 02:17 PM (NWiLs)

254 If this kid really was a Trump supporter, that's about as important to this tragic crime as the fact that he may have been a Seahawks fan and had a Hispanic surname....

Posted by: JoeF. at February 15, 2018 02:17 PM (7uYFy)

255 Why not pass legislation that any newspaper, website, or other media must report self proclaimed violence against any other American to the both Local and Federal Officials with all identifying information? I would love to see Google and You Tube spend money narcing out their AntiFags and BLM bros. Making threats is an investigateable event.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 15, 2018 02:17 PM (YV+SU)

256 I would be in favor of easier institutionalization if there was actual medical/scientific support for a bunch of it.

But there is not, it is one doctor's opinion about a diagnosis. Even a board of doctor's, no doubt appointed in some way through the political process (and not paid well), would still be highly susceptible to corruption.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at February 15, 2018 02:18 PM (wGbBR)

257 Was he on or did he ever take medications for things like ADHD?
Posted by: RondinellaMamma at February 15, 2018 02:15 PM (SGpFT)

I think I read signs of autism. Autism meds maybe

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 15, 2018 02:18 PM (fceHP)

258 Just to cut back to the beginning of the story, the big hint that this should have been caught is when everyone interviewed who knew this kid says "oh yeah we all figured he was gonna shoot up the school one day".

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 15, 2018 02:18 PM (k1TUh)

259 well that's helpful.
Posted by: willow at February 15, 2018 02:16 PM (Z8j2x)

LOL

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at February 15, 2018 02:18 PM (398bZ)

260 that whole idea of the child always being right, or having power has always p*ssed me off. We all know how naive and ignorant we all were at an early age. I know I've said this too many times on this thread, but it always bothered me when they started showing kids in movies, commercials, tv programs being "smarter" than their parents, and smarter about just about everything. The way shows make men look dumb and worthless against all women these days. Same idea.

Yeah its a horrible combination of corrosive, destructive elements converging on a society and the people who caused it all are demanding more power for them and less liberty for us to deal with the evil they created.

The "kids are always right and smarter than adults" thing is so overused, idiotic, and unwelcome today. It was kind of funny the first time, because it was unexpected and interesting. now, after the 400 millionth time, its just a stupid cliche that nobody believes but has to say because it fits their ideology: old is bad. Young is better.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 15, 2018 02:18 PM (39g3+)

261 In 2013, the Broward County School Board, the Teachers Union, the NAACP, law enforcement, politicians and the Diversity Board entered a Holder-style agreement to change the rules about school arrests due to concerns over disparate impact on minorities.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at February 15, 2018 02:12 PM (kUSzu)

Disparate impact. Grrrrrr. What a terrible decision that was, again by the effing Supremes.

I want to play MLB. Look how few people my age play MLB (answer: none). Straight up disparate impact, yo.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 15, 2018 02:19 PM (MjCfq)

262 The left immediately goes to gun control after a tragedy, before the bodies are cold.
The left also immediately goes to muslim backlash after a tragedy, before the bodies are cold.

It is almost like the left has an agenda and it is anti-American.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at February 15, 2018 02:19 PM (3BFzK)

263 If We say it can be stopped .. Anything can Be stopped Because Someones Feelings got Hurt!

so males can kill because Owie?

what about females?

what about ethnic groups?
what about Religions?

how about we just Hold killing Others because Ow! Is just fkn wrong?

Posted by: willow at February 15, 2018 02:19 PM (Z8j2x)

264 258 Just to cut back to the beginning of the story, the big hint that this should have been caught is when everyone interviewed who knew this kid says "oh yeah we all figured he was gonna shoot up the school one day".
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 15, 2018 02:18 PM (k1TUh)

This seems to happen every time though. I think there's even a name for this phenomenon but I can't recall what it is.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 15, 2018 02:19 PM (NWiLs)

265 245 234 Switch everything to online education.

Problem solved.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at February 15, 2018 02:14 PM (wGbBR)

Ace of Spades University.

And you're right.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 15, 2018 02:16 PM (mbhDw)

Excerpts from AoSU Curriculum for Spring '18 Semester:

PSYCH203: Theory and Practice of Sockpuppeting

CHEM 301: Introduction to Bourbon Chemistry (With Lab)

ENG405: Sarcasm for the Advanced Student

Posted by: Lake Sarcasm at February 15, 2018 02:19 PM (RD7QR)

266 254 If this kid really was a Trump supporter, that's about as important to this tragic crime as the fact that he may have been a Seahawks fan and had a Hispanic surname....
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My take is we don't know shit - but because the guy is still alive we might know shit. This is especially true if the FBI is involved.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 15, 2018 02:19 PM (YV+SU)

267 252 You know that this is the AOS. All behaviors are acceptable

not true
in fact due to a drunken moment there is still a word starting with b which can't be typed

Posted by: concerned ncj is concerned at February 15, 2018 02:20 PM (t6+RR)

268 Jesse Kelly is channeling his inner Ace on twitter:
"We don't have to have these endless fights. We simply need an amicable divorce. Let's just split the country and go our separate ways."

Posted by: Trigger Warning at February 15, 2018 02:20 PM (YRXy3)

269 Switch everything to online education.

I cannot comprehend any parent sending their kids to public schools. Ever.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 15, 2018 02:20 PM (39g3+)

270 What existing process? All I have suggested is that people with obvious mental issues and who have made threats like I plan to become a "professional school shooter" and have been kicked out of school for violent acts and barred from the campus not be given access to weapons and that was enough to get me branded a gun grabber.

18 U.S.C. 922 (d)
It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person

item 4:
has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution

So I imagine "the process" is to get him adjudicated mentally defective or get him committed to a mental institution.

Posted by: bonhomme at February 15, 2018 02:20 PM (iv0p7)

271 O/T:

Ted Cruz speaking on Senate Floor doing a sanity check for Republicans: It's crazy that we're (Republicans) considering amnesty, something even Obama wasn't asking for. Have we gone insane?

Posted by: WisRich at February 15, 2018 02:20 PM (G0vdT)

272
240
A police state is a sign of what a woman would want. It's an emotional response. Posted by: Monk at February 15, 2018 02:09 PM (g4lFK)

I doubt it. I can't think of a police state where women fare well.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at February 15, 2018 02:15 PM (lKyWE)

A police state is an emotional response giving up rights for security and a safety. its worshipping authority, which is the exact opposite of what our country was founded on.

Women don't have to benefit from it. Men are just just as emotional in their thinking these days anyways..

Posted by: Monk at February 15, 2018 02:20 PM (g4lFK)

273 A police state is a sign of what a woman would want. It's an emotional response.
Posted by: Monk

fkn sigh..
i just can't even.

Posted by: willow at February 15, 2018 02:21 PM (Z8j2x)

274 Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 15, 2018 02:18 PM (fceHP)
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Gaurantee you he was on Pyschtropic Drugs, his mom went to the police & you think he wasn't under Pyschiatric care

Posted by: DeploraBOT at February 15, 2018 02:21 PM (y3aQB)

275 This used to be the province of local cops. The
normal MO is for a couple of cops to visit him and talk to him about his
statements and his arsenal. Basically do a meet and greet and see how
creepy and deranged the kid is. Normally, the result is the kid was just
showing off for his friends and the sight of cops made his balls recede
into his groin. If not, then the cops have enough information to seek a
search warrant for weapons and ammunition and explosives. FBI doesn't
have time for this, the local city police do.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 15, 2018 02:04 PM (YV+SU)
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I think this is the most important point. Why must everything in our lives be run out of DC?
He will be charged under State law, so the appropriate response and investigation is under State law.
May Heaven have mercy on the souls of the school administrators who played 'move along' to the kid, especially when mother died.

Posted by: mustbequantum at February 15, 2018 02:21 PM (MIKMs)

276 These are the same people who honestly believe voting for Trump is proof of mental illness. Have you surrendered your guns to them yet?
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Talking to God is Mental Illness am I right?

*seals bark*

Posted by: Joy Behar at February 15, 2018 02:21 PM (gZ6J6)

277 Many people here think you're a dick. There's a reason for that.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at February 15, 2018 01:58 PM (JPEYg

I am not one of them. Far from it. Though I would take it as a badge of honor if some people here thought I was I dick.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 15, 2018 02:21 PM (EZkQC)

278 >>>in fact due to a drunken moment there is still a word starting with b which can't be typed

Backfat?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - NOW WITH VIP at February 15, 2018 02:21 PM (oHMUh)

279 And we're trying to explain to you that your very own post history here is enough for these "deciders" to declare that you have "obvious mental issues" and therefore must be disarmed.

Let me say it again...it was not just some fvckin' posts. It was every red flag in every area.

These 'deciders' you mention are just some shadowy group that doesn't even exist bcz if they did almost every Twitter person would be disarmed at this point. You are tilting at windmills where there aren't any.

There is no slippery slope here yet, and people have already screamed Panic and driven off cliffs. For gawd's sake people, you sound like if someone is holding a gun to your head, literally, you would say...let him pull the trigger, otherwise the "deciders" will put me in jail. Some of these posts are that irrational.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 15, 2018 02:21 PM (VHwfF)

280 Pussies.
Posted by: Insomniac at February 15, 2018 02:17 PM (NWiLs)

My sis has a some spare dresses.

Posted by: REDACTED at February 15, 2018 02:21 PM (VWsDy)

281 Sarc sockoff

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at February 15, 2018 02:22 PM (RD7QR)

282 I would be in favor of easier institutionalization if there was actual medical/scientific support for a bunch of it.

But there is not, it is one doctor's opinion about a diagnosis. Even a board of doctors, no doubt appointed in some way through the political process (and not paid well), would still be highly susceptible to corruption.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at February 15, 2018 02:18 PM (wGbBR)

I believe the standard used to be a panel of three psychiatrists. I don't believe that they'd be subject to corruption, frankly. Ideological bias, maybe, but not corruption. I also think that most physicians really do want to do the best for their patients and society. They make bad decisions from time to time, but I don't think that that's from a bad heart.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 15, 2018 02:22 PM (MjCfq)

283 Posted by: Trigger Warning at February 15, 2018 02:20 PM (YRXy3)
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Yeah I miss him with me giving up on Twatter

Posted by: DeploraBOT at February 15, 2018 02:22 PM (y3aQB)

284 127 How likely is it a Florida Hispanic would be a rabid Trump supporter? I'm not buying it.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 15, 2018 01:58 PM (/qEW2)
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Trump won the Cuban-American vote handily and did better than Romney with the "Hispanic" vote as a whole.

There's a lot of tension between the Caribbean-origin groups and the more recently arrived (and often illegal)
Mexi-Central-Americans To understate the case, the so-called "Hispanic" vote is not monolithic.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 15, 2018 02:22 PM (0jtPF)

285 256 I would be in favor of easier institutionalization if there was actual medical/scientific support for a bunch of it.
But there is not, it is one doctor's opinion about a diagnosis."

You don't do it based on a doctor's opinion - you do it based on clear and present threats. Specific statements like "I want to shoot up the school" "I want to shoot my neighbors" "I want to kill my neighbors pets with my guns" "Look at these pictures of the guns I have that I am going to shoot my neighbors with."

THOSE kinds of statements. People who are rational will not make them, even as a joke. People who are dangerously mentally ill will not be able to keep themselves from making them.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 15, 2018 02:22 PM (k1TUh)

286 fkn sigh..
i just can't even.
Posted by: willow at February 15, 2018 02:21 PM (Z8j2x)

Oh sure you can ... BEAR DOWN !!!

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 15, 2018 02:22 PM (fiGNd)

287 A police state is a sign of what a woman would want. It's an emotional response.

this is true
I must say I was truly a sexy bitch in uniform
imagine a state full of me
ggrrrrroooowwwwwlllllll

Posted by: concerned ncj is concerned at February 15, 2018 02:23 PM (t6+RR)

288 A police state is a sign of what a woman would want. It's an emotional response.
Posted by: Monk

Man you are stuck on one mode.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 15, 2018 02:23 PM (EZkQC)

289 maybe i'll just go water the trees.

bl

Posted by: willow at February 15, 2018 02:23 PM (Z8j2x)

290 "We don't have to have these endless fights. We simply need an amicable divorce. Let's just split the country and go our separate ways."

That gets to the real problem here. We can't have a genuine discussion of policy, because leftists lie about policy as a tactic to gain or maintain power.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at February 15, 2018 02:23 PM (398bZ)

291 If not, then the cops have enough information to seek a search warrant for weapons and ammunition and explosives. FBI doesn't have time for this, the local city police do.
Posted by: Puddin Head

They would if they'd take all of the agents that do background checks for security clearances and have them do nutjob background checks instead.

If you're not going to prosecute people who violate their security clearance, stop doing them and use those investigators in a better function.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 15, 2018 02:23 PM (U7cLk)

292
I think all education should be private. Get rid of those taxes and tell parents its their responsibility.

This will also never happen.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 15, 2018 02:24 PM (r+sAi)

293 >>>in fact due to a drunken moment there is still a word starting with b which can't be typed

Bloodfart?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - NOW WITH VIP at February 15, 2018 02:25 PM (oHMUh)

294 There's a lot of tension between the Caribbean-origin groups and the more recently arrived (and often illegal)
Mexi-Central-Americans To understate the case, the so-called "Hispanic" vote is not monolithic.
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Yep. The old joke is Cubans are smarter than Puerto Ricans who are smarter than Mexicans. The Mexicans generally agree with this statement.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 15, 2018 02:25 PM (YV+SU)

295 Bill Wynn!

Posted by: Chris M at February 15, 2018 02:25 PM (eAZVt)

296 Excerpts from AoSU Curriculum for Spring '18 Semester:

PSYCH203: Theory and Practice of Sockpuppeting

CHEM 301: Introduction to Bourbon Chemistry (With Lab)

ENG405: Sarcasm for the Advanced Student
Posted by: Lake Sarcasm at February 15, 2018 02:19 PM (RD7QR)

And we didn't even get to the most popular course:

Anatomy 301: Advanced Boobehs

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 15, 2018 02:25 PM (MjCfq)

297 As in the legendary band Vaginal Bloodfart

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - NOW WITH VIP at February 15, 2018 02:25 PM (oHMUh)

298 How many people are killed every year by individuals who were charged with crimes, but not convicted "beyond a reasonable doubt"? The price we pay for due process.

Crazy people using guns to kill people? A terrible and tragic thing. But the price for allowing individuals to have means to defend themselves, and collectively to deter tyranny.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at February 15, 2018 02:25 PM (W/SyC)

299 Looks like it's going to be an early night

Posted by: Insomniac at February 15, 2018 02:25 PM (NWiLs)

300 All right, I went way too far with my "dick" remark and related reactions to his reductio ad absurdum. I take it back and apologize to Mr. Jack Straw.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at February 15, 2018 02:12 PM (JPEYg)

Good for you. We've all gone a little too far on occasion. At least I know I have. This is the right response.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at February 15, 2018 02:16 PM (398bZ)

Pussies.
===========
Nice reverse "Brian's Song".

instead of funny and then heartbreakingly poignant it was heartbreakingly poignant then funny.

Posted by: Simplemind at February 15, 2018 02:25 PM (6HK3R)

301 You don't do it based on a doctor's opinion - you do it based on clear and present threats. Specific statements like "I want to shoot up the school" "I want to shoot my neighbors" "I want to kill my neighbors pets with my guns" "Look at these pictures of the guns I have that I am going to shoot my neighbors with."

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 15, 2018 02:22 PM (k1TUh)

Not just statements. ACTS. He shot at neighbor's livestock (chickens). He tried to get his dog to attack their pigs.

Carried ammo onto the campus. That, my friends, is a no no. Apparently more fights than the school system cared to count.

I'm against this "pre-crime" nonsense ... but this guy never got popped for actual fucking crime.

So ... he "ramped it up".

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 15, 2018 02:25 PM (fiGNd)

302 Oh no! Morning Joe will no longer allow "pro-gun useful idiots" on their show!

*weeps*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 15, 2018 02:25 PM (ptqGC)

303 I'm willing to let the pendulum swing into the direction of easier institutionalization and see what happens.

I just don't really buy into the idea that there will be mass incarcerations or political type gulags if that happens.

It would probably be a lot like America was in like the 1950's and earlier before the ACLU got involved in putting people away. A lot less homeless and junkies wandering the streets and teenagers weren't shooting up schools. They were locked away and society was protected.

Posted by: Maritime at February 15, 2018 02:26 PM (lKmt3)

304 Good for you. We've all gone a little too far on occasion. At least I know I have. This is the right response.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at February 15, 2018 02:16 PM (398bZ)

Pussies.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 15, 2018 02:17 PM (NWiLs)

I'll hold your beer, Insomniac.

Posted by: Mikey NTH -Exchange Your Old Wishful Thinking for a New Hopeful Shouting at The Outrage Outlet! at February 15, 2018 02:26 PM (hLRSq)

305 >>All right, I went way too far with my "dick" remark and related reactions to his reductio ad absurdum. I take it back and apologize to Mr. Jack Straw.

My only point, which has been made by others, is just the opposite of gun grabbling.

Since the 1960's the left has been on a jihad to close mental health institutions and and completely normalize people with severe mental problems. Pam Bondi, the Attorney General of Florida, was just on the tube saying that she has had a stalker for years who is constantly being picked up, taken to a hospital, filled with drugs and then put back on the street to stalk her again.

This is the top law enforcement officer in the state of Florida and even she can't get a guy committed.

Guns are not the problem. Evil and sometimes obviously crazy people are getting their hands on weapons and that is the problem.

The left will never stop pushing for confiscation for everyone. I don't and have never supported that. But I also don't think addressing the very obvious problem of allowing violent and mental disturbed people from getting their hands on weapons is a good idea or helpful to gun rights because this kind of thing will keep happening and it will only empower the left to take everyones guns.

Address the real problem of mental illness or the left will have even more ammo to go after all weapons seems kind of the opposite of gun grabbing.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 15, 2018 02:26 PM (/tuJf)

306 My take is we don't know shit - but because the guy is still alive we might know shit.

Right. Too early to know anything, really. So much fake stuff and misleading nonsense out there. People showing screen shots of some other dude claiming it is him with Antifa, or registered as a Democrat. People claiming he went shooting with white supremacists. People claiming they saw him once with a MAGA hat.

Lots of claims and rumors. Very little actual information. 24 News has 24 hours to fill and like 3 hours of actual news each day. So they pad it with speculation, rumor, "experts" speculating and guessing, etc.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 15, 2018 02:26 PM (39g3+)

307 294 >>>in fact due to a drunken moment there is still a word starting with b which can't be typed

Bcunt

Posted by: REDACTED at February 15, 2018 02:26 PM (VWsDy)

308
They would if they'd take all of the agents that do background checks for security clearances and have them do nutjob background checks instead.
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Meh. The FBI doesn't even do Bank Robberies anymore. They are too tied up overseas investigating terrorist and trying to spy on what the CIA is doing.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 15, 2018 02:26 PM (YV+SU)

309 this is true
I must say I was truly a sexy bitch in uniform
imagine a state full of me
ggrrrrroooowwwwwlllllll
Posted by: concerned ncj is concerned at February 15, 2018 02:23 PM (t6+RR)

*shudders*

Posted by: ScoggDog's Dog at February 15, 2018 02:26 PM (fiGNd)

310 The Chamber of Commerce would like you to buy guns and then turn them in to the police. Oh, and vote for Egg McMuffin you friggin' h8ters!

Posted by: Will Bynn at February 15, 2018 02:26 PM (RD7QR)

311 297 And we didn't even get to the most popular course:

don't forget the most fun
zoology 203 clownspiders

Posted by: concerned ncj is concerned at February 15, 2018 02:27 PM (t6+RR)

312 He said that if we don't get the wall soon he was gonna shoot up a school? Is that for sure? You would think he would choose a school with a more "Hispanic" "population" then this school seems to have

Posted by: Kim Jong Fuck of NK at February 15, 2018 02:27 PM (O2RFr)

313 In institutionalization proceedings, the doctor's get paid relatively little.

The quality of doctor I dealt with as a criminal defense attorney on non-capital cases was either on the low end of the spectrum, or very good doctors who had a volume based practice to make up for the low wage.

My point is, that it would be difficult (potentially impossible) to keep good doctors rotating on the board at the current rate of pay. leaving behind those on a mission, those independently wealthy, and those who cannot find work elsewhere.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at February 15, 2018 02:27 PM (wGbBR)

314 That gets to the real problem here. We can't have a genuine discussion of policy, because leftists lie about policy as a tactic to gain or maintain power.
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The real problem here is that we are in the middle of a civil war.

Posted by: Simplemind at February 15, 2018 02:27 PM (2iqCa)

315 Thanks obama.

/s

Posted by: Infidel at February 15, 2018 02:27 PM (FwcYV)

316 I'm not sure on the accuracy of all of this, but it's telling if this is true.

Nikolas Cruz's Parents, Roger & Lynda Cruz: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know
https://tinyurl.com/y8wfex3f

I mentioned that the shooter was adopted earlier, and that his adopted mother just died from the pneumonia a few months ago. Adopted father died when the shooter was 6 yrs old.

Mother tried to get him help, even asked police for advice.

An anonymous family member told the Sun-Sentinel that Lynda had gotten Nikolas counseling from a young age for autism.

After his mom died, Nikolas and his brother stayed with friends in Lake Worth after their mom died. But Nikolas didn't like the situation and asked a former classmate if he could move in with him and his family. They agreed, even though he had already been expelled from the school for disciplinary problems, after getting in a fight with his ex-girlfriend's new boyfriend, The Associated Press reported. They made him get a job at a local dollar store and said they didn't see anything to suggest violence.

Lot's of stuff going on here.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 15, 2018 02:27 PM (fceHP)

317 Very un-PC conjecture:

I wonder how many of the previously unheard of issues we're having might be traced to fathers and mothers waiting until they're older to have kids.

Down Syndrome children become statistically more likely as the mother ages. Why not other social issues?

Posted by: bonhomme at February 15, 2018 02:28 PM (iv0p7)

318 "I've seen him wear a Trump hat"

Uh huh.

Posted by: Max Power at February 15, 2018 02:28 PM (q177U)

319 I think all education should be private. Get rid of those taxes and tell parents its their responsibility.

This will also never happen.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 15, 2018 02:24 PM (r+sAi)

The problem is when dull parents (or parent, more likely) has an average child (regression to the mean), much less a bright one, whom they, left to their own devices, would educate minimally at best, seeing no point in it. There needs to be a mechanism to give those kids a chance to make more of themselves than their parents did (or could, for that matter).

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 15, 2018 02:28 PM (MjCfq)

320
I just don't really buy into the idea that there will be mass incarcerations or political type gulags if that happens.
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Imagine institutionalizing Hillary. I get a boner thinking about it. So does Bill.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 15, 2018 02:28 PM (YV+SU)

321 247 Stop alienating men and this shit will stop. We don't need a fucking police state for this common sense approach. Boys are transitioning to girls, boys are having their maleness demonized 24/7 from the schools to the culture, boys are being fed drugs because they act like boys in school age age 5 and 6, young men are entering job markets where feminism has moved them out, boys grow up and see their fathers and other men destroyed by family courts, men are committing suicide at a 8-1 ratio after a separation, false allegation destroy their lives or the threat exists, married men are too big a pussies to acknowledge the current state of men and boys because they don't want to upset their wives.

We don't need a fucking police state. We need to stop handing our rights and privileges to those who have not earned them and to those who are not held accountable and do not face any consequences

A police state is a sign of what a woman would want. It's an emotional response.
Posted by: Monk at February 15, 2018 02:09 PM (g4lFK)
--
well that's helpful.
Posted by: willow at February 15, 2018 02:16 PM (Z8j2x)

It is helpful to my generation and a younger generation. To ignore these things from a man's point of view who has to live daily in this fucked up society is not only wrong but stupid.

I'm not justifying the violence. But to think violence won't occur is a fantasy just like believing our society can remain healthy in the short and long run ignoring these issues.

Posted by: Monk at February 15, 2018 02:28 PM (g4lFK)

322 "Crazy people using guns to kill people? A terrible and tragic thing. But the price for allowing individuals to have means to defend themselves, and collectively to deter tyranny."

Before 1960, everyone who was conservative believed strongly in self defense, but they also didn't believe we had no choice but to let the insane walk the streets. Why did we change so much?

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 15, 2018 02:28 PM (k1TUh)

323 Hey I know,

Maybe we could have a local militia where regular citizens gathered weekly twice a monthly and performed basic firearms training and competencey tests. Where each of the the members of the milita got to know each other and would also hold public sessions to engage the local community to show them they were practicing safe defensive use of weapons and training for the public good.

Local law enforcement could come by and see that its all on the up and up.

This group of people could perform self assessments of their own members and seek to expel or otherwise sanction individuals that were not up to the standards of the community, up to an including of notice to law enforcement. Local elected officials would serve to support and be a independent verification of effective governance.

These people would be allowed to carry in all area's of the public inside a designated territory that may include reciprocity with other territories operating with similar standards, as long as they were members in good standing of this local militia unit.

1 Major rule- you only get to pull your gun in public if the shit is actively hitting the fan, otherwise it will never be seen or mentioned. Not bar fights, not rowdy hooligans at the beach, hell not even a simple assault . If you have to ask yourself, should I pull the heat, then the answer is no. You are not law enforcement, you are a citizen; the first line of defense though when the shit hits the fan. You get to pull your gun when you are in that 4 minute window when the shit goes down and before the much celebrated Credentialed Trained Enforcement arrives. And yes you assume the risk of begin on the receiving end of friendly fire.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at February 15, 2018 02:29 PM (ymnmz)

324 If it helps I bought more ammo last night... Stock up folks it may be a bumpy ride for awhile. I have to say My guns are no threat to anyone. I raised two good kids one is studying to be a nurse and the other is looking at a vocation in gusmithing. They both shoot and enjoy owning firearms. I'm bringing the wife around- She got her first taste of an AR and wants her own rifle.

Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at February 15, 2018 02:29 PM (0OmEj)

325 Anatomy 301: Advanced Boobehs

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 15, 2018 02:25 PM

Mechanical Engineering 310: Engineering and Design of the Bra

Posted by: Diogenes at February 15, 2018 02:29 PM (0tfLf)

326 Since the 1960's the left has been on a jihad to close mental health institutions and and completely normalize people with severe mental problems.
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Why are crazy people more useful to the establishment outside of institutions than inside them? (Hint: its not because the establishment doesn't like to spend taxpayer money.)

Posted by: Simplemind at February 15, 2018 02:29 PM (xcWa4)

327 We don't have to have these endless fights. We simply need an amicable divorce. Let's just split the country and go our separate ways."

You are either being sarcastic or are a Utopian idealist. People argue here constantly and yet are all on one side. No such thing as an amicable divorce, and things would be even worse. People are just too lazy to do the work in the existing system of a democratic republic.

But people better start, or we will end up with Open Borders and the loss of all the good things. And just bitchin about stuff is not what doing one's civic duty is about. I say this to myself too. "People get the government they deserve" is true.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 15, 2018 02:30 PM (VHwfF)

328 Address the real problem of mental illness or the left will have even more ammo to go after all weapons seems kind of the opposite of gun grabbing.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 15, 2018 02:26 PM (/tuJf)

So your solution is to come to some kind of agreement on mental illness with people who can't differentiate between semi and full.

OK,then !!

Posted by: REDACTED at February 15, 2018 02:30 PM (VWsDy)

329 Again the teachers and administrators should hold some accountibilty and face some consequences for their lack of actions. The same with the FBI.

Posted by: Monk at February 15, 2018 02:30 PM (g4lFK)

330 "in fact due to a drunken moment there is still a word starting with b which can't be typed"

The truck from GMC? What was the origin of that ban anyway?

Posted by: Chris M at February 15, 2018 02:30 PM (eAZVt)

331 I'm against this "pre-crime" nonsense ... but this guy never got popped for actual fucking crime.

So ... he "ramped it up".
Posted by: ScoggDog

So you're saying he was a democrat politician?

Posted by: rickb223 at February 15, 2018 02:30 PM (U7cLk)

332 306 Since the 1960's the left has been on a jihad to close mental health institutions and and completely normalize people with severe mental problems

hold up
I'm not even remotely versed in this but I thought the nuthouses were closed down by Reagan in the 80s to save money
where can I go to read up on this

Posted by: concerned ncj is concerned at February 15, 2018 02:30 PM (t6+RR)

333 Finally googled his picture. Wow, 110% crazy balls. The madness just radiates out of his stare.

Posted by: Max Power at February 15, 2018 02:30 PM (q177U)

334 >>>Maybe we could have a local militia

You realize that several states already have these, right? Have you ever seen the average member?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - NOW WITH VIP at February 15, 2018 02:31 PM (oHMUh)

335 in fact due to a drunken moment there is still a word starting with b which can't be typed

Backfat?

Bunt?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 15, 2018 02:31 PM (39g3+)

336 312. Poli Sci 666 - Women, Icebacks, and Other Obstacles to Progress

Management 300 - Rotary Wing Aircraft Operation and Maintenance

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at February 15, 2018 02:31 PM (fA1SL)

337 First Amnesty vote in Senate. The Coons/McCain bill. I saw at least Collins voted no. We'll see how many votes it gets.

Posted by: WisRich at February 15, 2018 02:31 PM (G0vdT)

338 Still boils down to what is the definition of "we"?

Posted by: Muldoon at February 15, 2018 02:31 PM (wPiJc)

339 The left will never stop pushing for confiscation for everyone. I don't and have never supported that. But I also don't think addressing the very obvious problem of allowing violent and mental disturbed people from getting their hands on weapons is a good idea or helpful to gun rights because this kind of thing will keep happening and it will only empower the left to take everyones guns.
Address the real problem of mental illness or the left will have even more ammo to go after all weapons seems kind of the opposite of gun grabbing.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 15, 2018 02:26 PM

Yes, Yes, Yes, and AMEN!

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 15, 2018 02:32 PM (k1TUh)

340 Before 1960, everyone who was conservative believed strongly in self defense, but they also didn't believe we had no choice but to let the insane walk the streets. Why did we change so much?
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Money not spent on mental institutions is money that can be spread around to buy votes. Also having an army of derelicts allows a huge lever for extortion of taxpayers. Nice neighborhood you have here, be a pity if something were to happen to it.

Posted by: Puddin Head at February 15, 2018 02:32 PM (YV+SU)

341 In fairness to the fbi, the agents assigned saw last name Cruz and figured if we investigate a racist charge will be thrown at us. I cant blame them for ignoring it.

And ps: fuck off mnuchin

Posted by: #neverskankles at February 15, 2018 02:32 PM (TckTJ)

342 So your solution is to come to some kind of agreement on mental illness with people who can't differentiate between semi and full.

OK,then !!
Posted by: REDACTED

Can't differentiate between which bathroom to use?

Posted by: rickb223 at February 15, 2018 02:32 PM (U7cLk)

343 >>>>in fact due to a drunken moment there is still a word starting with b which can't be typed

Bananapenis?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - NOW WITH VIP at February 15, 2018 02:32 PM (oHMUh)

344 I'm willing to let the pendulum swing into the direction of easier institutionalization and see what happens.

I just don't really buy into the idea that there will be mass incarcerations or political type gulags if that happens.

It would probably be a lot like America was in like the 1950's and earlier before the ACLU got involved in putting people away. A lot less homeless and junkies wandering the streets and teenagers weren't shooting up schools. They were locked away and society was protected.
Posted by: Maritime at February 15, 2018 02:26 PM (lKmt3)

At the risk of boring and repetitive, there is no pendulum; that implies it's a social matter that can be fixed through a change in social mores. It's a legal matter: the Supreme Court's decision in O'Connor v. Donaldson in 1975 is what caused this problem. It's why there is no pendulum swinging, any more than there is on reading Miranda rights.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 15, 2018 02:32 PM (MjCfq)

345 Before 1960, everyone who was conservative believed strongly in self defense, but they also didn't believe we had no choice but to let the insane walk the streets. Why did we change so much?
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 15, 2018 02:28 PM (k1TUh)

Wanna' go back to Open Carry only ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 15, 2018 02:32 PM (fiGNd)

346 It's worth noting that Kennedy and the (D)s leadership/plans cut federal funding to institutions but continuing federal funding in general hospitals and nursing homes in order to actively encourage insane people walking around in local communities.

Start with Kennedy's Community Mental Health Act and Johnson running with the football re:medicaid and medicare when he got the chance.

This bullsh*t can all be traced directly back to them.

Posted by: Moron el-Robbie - Bama's boot stomping on the face of college football forever at February 15, 2018 02:33 PM (ks6bw)

347 I wonder how many of the previously unheard of issues we're having might be traced to fathers and mothers waiting until they're older to have kids.

Young parents have their own host of problems.

So it seems to me the obvious solution is to require fertile young women in their twenties to only sleep with old dudes.

Posted by: wooga at February 15, 2018 02:33 PM (6OGMR)

348 339 Still boils down to what is the definition of "we"?
Posted by: Muldoon at February 15, 2018 02:31 PM (wPiJc)

??

Posted by: Mr Qui at February 15, 2018 02:33 PM (VWsDy)

349 To those who claimed Nellie Ohr is fappable. Dang, dudes, time for an opthamalogist visit. Sheesh, yeah, you got my curiosity and I should know better, 'cause, Horde.

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at February 15, 2018 02:33 PM (dQJCS)

350 331 bingo, that's the word
one day he went crazy on the booze and went wayyyyy too far
even ace has a limit it seems

Posted by: concerned ncj is concerned at February 15, 2018 02:33 PM (t6+RR)

351 Yup, here we go the Daily Mail, I rag I know, has he as a "White Supremacist."

Posted by: Kim Jong Fuck of NK at February 15, 2018 02:33 PM (O2RFr)

352 I just don't really buy into the idea that there will be mass incarcerations or political type gulags if that happens.

Imagine Hillary Clinton able to force people into institutions or disarm people because she decides they're cray-cray. The left is already trying to define any opposition to their politics and worldview as insane.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 15, 2018 02:33 PM (39g3+)

353 Crazy people need to be addressed.
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Lock up all the men because they are crazy. /s

Seriously, smaller and more responsive schools will help for the marginal kids. Throwing kids who already have problems into massive bureaucratic kafkatraps is a shame on all of us.

Posted by: mustbequantum at February 15, 2018 02:33 PM (MIKMs)

354 The concept that the courts determine much of our social contract is absurd.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at February 15, 2018 02:34 PM (wGbBR)

355 Money not spent on mental institutions is money that can be spread around to buy votes. Also having an army of derelicts allows a huge lever for extortion of taxpayers. Nice neighborhood you have here, be a pity if something were to happen to it.
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 15, 2018 02:32 PM (YV+SU)

It's a liberal trope that the nuts were turned loose by conservatives (e.g., Reagan) to save money.

It was a Supreme Court decision that did this.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 15, 2018 02:34 PM (MjCfq)

356
A police state is a sign of what a woman would want. It's an emotional response

+++

These boots are made for stompin
That's just what they'll do
All of these days these boots
Will squish your face into the goo

Posted by: Bigby's Pointy Finger at February 15, 2018 02:34 PM (mYDRQ)

357 340

All fine and good until everyone who is semi conservative is defined as crazy. Oh but that cant happen since people in positions of power like the fbi or judges would never abuse their power for political gain, right?

Posted by: #neverskankles at February 15, 2018 02:34 PM (TckTJ)

358 In fairness to the fbi, the agents assigned saw last name Cruz and figured if we investigate a racist charge will be thrown at us. I cant blame them for ignoring it.
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Somehow I doubt they would feel that way if it were me they were investigating.

Posted by: Ted Cruz at February 15, 2018 02:34 PM (vg8iE)

359 Women don't have to benefit from it. Men are just just as emotional in their thinking these days anyways..
Posted by: Monk at February 15, 2018 02:20 PM (g4lFK)

you sound very emotional

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 15, 2018 02:34 PM (fceHP)

360 No such thing as an amicable divorce, and things would be even worse.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 15, 2018 02:30 PM (VHwfF)

Czechoslovakia would disagree.

There could be an easy national divorce. And, if not, then so be it. The fact is that you cannot have any sort of a decent country when half of it is comprised of insane leftists who hate the foundational pillars of the nation and yearn for the good ol' days of the SOviets or, as barky and his crew used to publicly lament, the brash new days of the Chinese commies.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 15, 2018 02:34 PM (8gDQu)

361
Well all returning vets will be diagnosed as crazy by the feminist and Marxist dominated field of psychology. Same for men. Same for right of center political thinkers.

Marxists have infiltrated all institutions and people want to give them the power over who should be involuntarily institutionalizd and who isn't. Who can own a gun and who can't.

What a totalitarian nightmare.

How about the people in charge of doing their jobs be held accountable first before giving up more rights to the state to protect us?

Posted by: Monk at February 15, 2018 02:34 PM (g4lFK)

362 335
>>>Maybe we could have a local militia

You realize that several states already have these, right? Have you ever seen the average member?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - NOW WITH VIP at February 15, 2018 02:31 PM (oHMUh)

Dude did you read past militia.? I'm not talking dickheads in the woods like you.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at February 15, 2018 02:34 PM (ymnmz)

363 348 I wonder how many of the previously unheard of issues we're having might be traced to fathers and mothers waiting until they're older to have kids.

Young parents have their own host of problems.

So it seems to me the obvious solution is to require fertile young women in their twenties to only sleep with old dudes.
Posted by: wooga at February 15, 2018 02:33 PM (6OGMR)

STRONGLY endorsed. And since I'm 29 I have NO vested interest here.

Posted by: joncelli, who's totally 29 at February 15, 2018 02:35 PM (RD7QR)

364
Yup, here we go the Daily Mail, I rag I know, has he as a "White Supremacist."

White Supremacist... Of course

Posted by: It's me donna at February 15, 2018 02:35 PM (O2RFr)

365
A police state is a sign of what a woman would want. It's an emotional response.

Posted by: Monk
___________________

Hey, I have a vag and would love a police state. Provided that I'm the top-cop....

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at February 15, 2018 02:35 PM (mPeei)

366 Some "white supremacist" group is claiming he was one of them, but I see zero reason to believe that simply on the word of an admitted nutjob.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 15, 2018 02:01 PM (39g3+)

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He's not white, so I doubt that's possible.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 15, 2018 02:35 PM (/qEW2)

367 CNBC said he's a member of a white nationalist group. Of course he is.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 15, 2018 02:35 PM (5MIhJ)

368 Per terrorism,
I very highly recommend reading the article on the side bar "Human Rights Activist...". This is an interview with a hard left refugee activist who has seen the light after years of working with them in Germany. Facinating. I bookmarked it to send to a couple of lefties who might have their minds pried open just a little bit. She details the atrocities commited, attitude of superiority and even the taqqi whatever lying of the "refugees". This might actually make a difference if widely shared.

Posted by: Just wondering at February 15, 2018 02:35 PM (WBYpW)

369 Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 15, 2018 02:30 PM (VHwfF)

Just because people on the same side have disagreements doesnt mean that a better nation is not possible. I am sure you are aware of the disagreements between the founding fathers. The belief foundation is what is important.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 15, 2018 02:35 PM (EZkQC)

370 Can't differentiate between which bathroom to use?
Posted by: rickb223 at February 15, 2018 02:32 PM (U7cLk)

Exactly my point to Mr. Jack. What a pipe dream, dealing with such people.

Posted by: Mr Qui at February 15, 2018 02:35 PM (VWsDy)

371 Mechanical Engineering 310: Engineering and Design of the Bra
Posted by: Diogenes at February 15, 2018 02:29 PM (0tfLf)

Wouldn't that be classified under Statics and be a Civil Engineering course?

Posted by: auscolpyr at February 15, 2018 02:36 PM (suO/a)

372 In fairness to the fbi, the agents assigned saw last name Cruz and figured if we investigate a racist charge will be thrown at us. I cant blame them for ignoring it.

I sure hope this is sarcastic. Otherwise it is stupidity.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 15, 2018 02:36 PM (VHwfF)

373 no, the shooter is a hard core lefty. he had one pic of a MAGA hay, maybe for irony.

Posted by: Arthur Kremlin at February 15, 2018 02:36 PM (FSL/n)

374 >>>Dude did you read past militia.? I'm not talking dickheads in the woods like you.

Witless indeed.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - NOW WITH VIP at February 15, 2018 02:36 PM (oHMUh)

375 To those who claimed Nellie Ohr is fappable. Dang, dudes, time for an opthamalogist visit. Sheesh, yeah, you got my curiosity and I should know better, 'cause, Horde.

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris
=========
Some members of the horde like to fly fish.

Their comments about Nellie were the fly. You were the big fat rainbow trout that couldn't resist.

Posted by: Simplemind at February 15, 2018 02:36 PM (4GLHu)

376 Haven't read comments yet, but I am curious about one thing. There was an instagram photo of his 'arsenal' and it was goodly sized, including a couple handguns. Where does a 19 yr old orphan get the money for that? And if his mom knew he was troubled...did she even know before she died?

Posted by: citizen khan at February 15, 2018 02:36 PM (gVY4Y)

377 I just heard an FBI agent say there was only a threat with no other identifying information.

Are you kidding me right now?

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at February 15, 2018 02:36 PM (kUSzu)

378 It occurs to me that if the left were at all sensible or accommodating in the least bit. They could get some progress toward their goal of taking away our right to self defense.

Thank goodness they all in on confiscation.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at February 15, 2018 02:36 PM (3BFzK)

379 CNBC said he's a member of a white nationalist group. Of course he is.

The flood gates have opened on that... Expect it's today's "word."

Posted by: It's me donna at February 15, 2018 02:36 PM (O2RFr)

380 So it seems to me the obvious solution is to require fertile young women in their twenties to only sleep with old dudes.

and this is why strip clubs were invented
also why there are so many by navy bases

Posted by: concerned ncj is concerned at February 15, 2018 02:37 PM (t6+RR)

381 330 Again the teachers and administrators should hold some accountibilty and face some consequences for their lack of actions. The same with the FBI.

Posted by: Monk at February 15, 2018 02:30 PM

We need a real hard look at how we do schooling. Time to get rid of the monolithic 2,000 student high schools and break districts down into much smaller organizations. Would see an immediate improvement in student to student and student to teacher contact, socialization and understanding.

Posted by: Diogenes at February 15, 2018 02:37 PM (0tfLf)

382 CHEM 301: Introduction to Bourbon Chemistry (With Lab)

Posted by: Lake Sarcasm at February 15, 2018 02:19 PM (RD7QR)

My alma mater has an experimental vineyard as a part of the ag research program. By far the hardest class to get into when I was an undergrad was in the ag school portion of the catalog: Wine Appreciation. There were certain requirements to take the course: be 21 years of age, it must be your last class of the day, and there was a shuttle that picked you up and dropped you off at your dorm or apartment. Sadly, the class is no longer offered, it appears it was eliminated about ten years ago.

Posted by: Bert G aka Country Singer at February 15, 2018 02:37 PM (yzxic)

383 362 No such thing as an amicable divorce, and things would be even worse.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 15, 2018 02:30 PM (VHwfF)

A++

Posted by: Mr Qui at February 15, 2018 02:37 PM (VWsDy)

384 340
The left will never stop pushing for confiscation for everyone. I don't
and have never supported that. But I also don't think addressing the
very obvious problem of allowing violent and mental disturbed people
from getting their hands on weapons is a good idea or helpful to gun
rights because this kind of thing will keep happening and it will only
empower the left to take everyones guns.

Address the real problem of mental illness or the left will have
even more ammo to go after all weapons seems kind of the opposite of gun
grabbing.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 15, 2018 02:26 PM

Yes, Yes, Yes, and AMEN!

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 15, 2018 02:32 PM (k1TUh)

It's not that they want confiscation, its that hey want to be the only ones with guns. The old "Trained and Credentialed" but we really mean just us.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at February 15, 2018 02:37 PM (ymnmz)

385 368. Ummm.....the white nationalist groups vary on the question, but generally regard Hispanics of dominant or even pure Spanish heritage to be huwhite.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, 501st Kremlin Jewbot Gvardii at February 15, 2018 02:37 PM (fA1SL)

386 At the risk of boring and repetitive, there is no pendulum; that implies it's a social matter that can be fixed through a change in social mores. It's a legal matter: the Supreme Court's decision in O'Connor v. Donaldson in 1975 is what caused this problem. It's why there is no pendulum swinging, any more than there is on reading Miranda rights.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

__________

But that's just it, a legal decision from generations ago does not mean its set in stone.

Just like you now are not required to read Miranda rights to a suspect even though a previous Warren court said you did.

You pass some new laws in front of new judges and see what happens.

Posted by: Maritime at February 15, 2018 02:37 PM (lKmt3)

387 >>Ace of Spades University.

Master of Bater.

Posted by: Under Fire at February 15, 2018 02:37 PM (r9UYA)

388 Lots of white supremacists in the #resist movement?

Posted by: Moron el-Robbie - Bama's boot stomping on the face of college football forever at February 15, 2018 02:37 PM (ks6bw)

389 How about the people in charge of doing their jobs be held accountable first before giving up more rights to the state to protect us?
Posted by: Monk at February 15, 2018 02:34 PM (g4lFK)

This is a very valid point. We have only to look at the TSA for recent illustration. We give up rights: we get virtually nothing in terms of safety.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 15, 2018 02:37 PM (ycWCI)

390 And what actual "White Supremacist" group would claim a murderer as a member?

Posted by: It's me donna at February 15, 2018 02:38 PM (O2RFr)

391 Jeff Sessions on Florida HS Shooting: Focus on Mental Health, Enforce Existing Gun Laws -BB

Makes sense.

Posted by: Under Fire at February 15, 2018 02:39 PM (r9UYA)

392 Speaking of un-PC thoughts, I have a question: what was Cruz's mom's story? (His biological mom; I assume Dad was out of the picture or unknown, but if known, I include him too.) Propensity to schizophrenia and some other mental problems tends to run in families, I believe.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 15, 2018 02:39 PM (MjCfq)

393 He's not white, so I doubt that's possible.

Supposedly he's a white guy adopted by Hispanic parents. But again: rumors, no idea if that's accurate or not.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 15, 2018 02:39 PM (39g3+)

394 373 Mechanical Engineering 310: Engineering and Design of the Bra
Posted by: Diogenes at February 15, 2018 02:29 PM (0tfLf)

Wouldn't that be classified under Statics and be a Civil Engineering course?

Posted by: auscolpyr at February 15, 2018 02:36 PM

Good point. Upon reflections, could even go with Computer Science CAD Instruction and Softwear.

Posted by: Diogenes at February 15, 2018 02:39 PM (0tfLf)

395 Ctrl-F "we" >100 matches

Posted by: Muldoon at February 15, 2018 02:39 PM (wPiJc)

396 He's not white, so I doubt that's possible.

Looks white to me.. Not that that matters

Posted by: It's me donna at February 15, 2018 02:39 PM (O2RFr)

397 There needs to be a mechanism to give those kids a chance to make more of themselves than their parents did

Public schools certainly aren't that mechanism. Most (if not all?) school shootings are at public schools.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 15, 2018 02:39 PM (r+sAi)

398 But that's just it, a legal decision from generations ago does not mean its set in stone.

Just like you now are not required to read Miranda rights to a suspect even though a previous Warren court said you did.

You pass some new laws in front of new judges and see what happens.
Posted by: Maritime at February 15, 2018 02:37 PM (lKmt3)

I'd be thrilled if that were to happen.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 15, 2018 02:40 PM (MjCfq)

399 393 And what actual "White Supremacist" group would claim a murderer as a member?
Posted by: It's me donna at February 15, 2018 02:38 PM (O2RFr)

The only way I can figure this:

1) People are stupid.

2) People do not stop being stupid because it makes sense for them to do so- in fact that is part of what makes them stupid in the first place.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 15, 2018 02:40 PM (ycWCI)

400 in fact due to a drunken moment there is still a word starting with b which can't be typed

I know!

*Holds hand up*

Blazzer

Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at February 15, 2018 02:40 PM (2FqvZ)

401 new hag who should be in handcuffs thread

Posted by: concerned ncj is concerned at February 15, 2018 02:40 PM (t6+RR)

402 361 Women don't have to benefit from it. Men are just just as emotional in their thinking these days anyways..
Posted by: Monk at February 15, 2018 02:20 PM (g4lFK)

you sound very emotional
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 15, 2018 02:34 PM (fceHP)

How? By advocating people be held accountable and face consequences for not doing their jobs? By stating the obvious that men are being alienated and consequences will follow? By advocating that more authority worship and ceeding power to the state to determine who is mentally ill is a terrible idea?

Sadly, I'm at a point where I give almost give 0 fucks about predictable and preventable shit that happens on a weekly basis.

Posted by: Monk at February 15, 2018 02:40 PM (g4lFK)

403 Public schools certainly aren't that mechanism. Most (if not all?) school shootings are at public schools.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 15, 2018 02:39 PM (r+sAi)

They sure as hell aint doing school shootings at the mall ...

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 15, 2018 02:40 PM (fiGNd)

404 Ot..

Idaho is saying fuck you to Obamacare and introducing state approved non-Ocare conpliant plans.

About time red states started their own resist movements.

Posted by: #neverskankles at February 15, 2018 02:40 PM (TckTJ)

405 >> It's worth noting that Kennedy and the (D)s leadership/plans cut federal funding to institutions but continuing federal funding in general hospitals and nursing homes in order to actively encourage insane people walking around in local communities.

It goes back even further. There was a movement in the psychiatric community as early as the 50s and 60s to use more magic drugs and less institutionalization of people as the new magic bullet to dealing with mental health issues of all kinds.

And in truth some of the mental institutions in this country have a really bad history of being dumping grounds. My sister used to volunteer at the Fernald School back when we were in high school. If you aren't familiar with that place google it. You will also learn that the word "morons" had a specific legal and clinical meaning.

The state of California, of course, was a leader in this movement and even the people who did it later admitted they went way to far.

These people never would have been able to get weapons back then because they would have been institutionalized. Now we just give them thorazine and pretend they are normal.

That's the problem.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 15, 2018 02:41 PM (/tuJf)

406 hold up
I'm not even remotely versed in this but I thought the nuthouses were closed down by Reagan in the 80s to save money
where can I go to read up on this"

I had an argument with a leftist about that - when the problem first was noticed, this became one of the standard attacks against Reagan, along with "Reagan knew there was a cure for AIDS and did nothing because he hated gays!!!"

Deinstitutionalization was begun in the early 60's under 2 landmark bills passed under the Kennedy administration, and in California under Gov. Edmund Brown, Jerry Brown's father. An important California bill was passed while Reagan was Governor, but it should be noted that this bill was passed with a Democrat legislature and 100% Democrat support, as well as the support of all of the mental health professional organizations. The process was mostly completed by the mid 70's, which makes it preposterous to believe that anything passed under Reagan in the mid 80's could have had anything at all to do with it.

It was just another convenient slur for the left to throw at him.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 15, 2018 02:41 PM (k1TUh)

407 318
I wonder how many of the previously unheard of issues we're having might be traced to fathers and mothers waiting until they're older to have kids.

Down Syndrome children become statistically more likely as the mother ages. Why not other social issues?
Posted by: bonhomme at February 15, 2018 02:28 PM (iv0p7)
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Nah.
Take a survey of all the murderers in the US. I will bet that their parents were YOUNGER than average, if there is any statistical difference at all.

The mass shooters? Their profile may be a bit different from the run-of-the-mill killers, but still......

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 15, 2018 02:41 PM (0jtPF)

408 Haven't read comments yet, but I am curious about one thing. There was an instagram photo of his 'arsenal' and it was goodly sized, including a couple handguns. Where does a 19 yr old orphan get the money for that? And if his mom knew he was troubled...did she even know before she died?
Posted by: citizen khan at February 15, 2018 02:36 PM (gVY4Y)

I read (so who knows if true) that when he moved in with a friends family when his adopted mom passed away, they made him put his rifle in a locked safe, but he had the key. Where did he keep the rest of it is a mystery.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 15, 2018 02:41 PM (fceHP)

409 Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 15, 2018 02:30 PM (VHwfF)

Just because people on the same side have disagreements doesnt mean that a better nation is not possible. I am sure you are aware of the disagreements between the founding fathers. The belief foundation is what is important.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 15, 2018 02:35 PM (EZkQC)

Divided we fall, united we stand.

Islam and other countries would LOVE for us to divide. Soros is not buying up this country, causing unrest and pouring money into everything for kicks.

We have the framework for a great nation, but instead of doing the hard work of a democratic republic, it is easy to call for this division thing. Studying history has taught me it is a foolhardy call. It's people throwing a temper tantrum. It is suicide. Yes, my opinion. My informed opinion based on history...not emotion.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 15, 2018 02:41 PM (VHwfF)

410 Phys Ed 101: Fapping to super models.

This course will guide the student through the stages of finding super model naked pics. Ways to get them for free. The best viewers and how to get them for free. The proper lubrication systems available to the fapper. Tested and proven clean up materials.

3 credits

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at February 15, 2018 02:41 PM (3BFzK)

411 402 393 And what actual "White Supremacist" group would claim a murderer as a member?
Posted by: It's me donna at February 15, 2018 02:38 PM

And...what will it take to get the Russian thing off the headlines and divert the attention of the nation?

Posted by: Diogenes at February 15, 2018 02:41 PM (0tfLf)

412 Looks white to me.. Not that that matters

Posted by: It's me donna at February 15, 2018 02:39 PM (O2RFr)

Seen Sammy Sosa lately?
https://tinyurl.com/y872pm7g

Posted by: Bert G aka Country Singer at February 15, 2018 02:42 PM (yzxic)

413 I wonder how many of the previously unheard of issues we're having might be traced to fathers and mothers waiting until they're older to have kids.

Down Syndrome children become statistically more likely as the mother ages. Why not other social issues?
Posted by: bonhomme at February 15, 2018 02:28 PM (iv0p7)

I think this kid was adopted, at an early age.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 15, 2018 02:42 PM (fceHP)

414 402 393 And what actual "White Supremacist" group would claim a murderer as a member?
Posted by: It's me donna at February 15, 2018 02:38 PM (O2RFr)

The only way I can figure this:

1) People are stupid.

2) People do not stop being stupid because it makes sense for them to do so- in fact that is part of what makes them stupid in the first place.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 15, 2018 02:40 PM (ycWCI)

A group called The Republic of Florida claimed he was a member. They are a small right wing militia. A member came forward.

Posted by: Monk at February 15, 2018 02:42 PM (g4lFK)

415 And what actual "White Supremacist" group would claim a murderer as a member?

The one that's actually the Southern Poverty & Law Center using a burner cell phone to call a buddy in the press.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 15, 2018 02:42 PM (39g3+)

416 Public schools certainly aren't that mechanism. Most (if not all?) school shootings are at public schools.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 15, 2018 02:39 PM (r+sAi)

I understand what you're saying, but it's not really fair. Public schools can be fine, but they also sometimes are just the catch basins for kids who troublemakers and/or stupid. Phillips Exeter (hyperbole here) doesn't have this problem because if a kid uses the wrong fork at dinner they'll throw his ass out, and he may end up at a public school. So there's a serious selection bias here that operates against public schools.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 15, 2018 02:43 PM (MjCfq)

417 All the laws in the world won't matter when enforced by the Keystone Kops.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at February 15, 2018 02:43 PM (hUqh+)

418 Marco Rubio wants some gun control for you. Domestic Tranquility Clause.
OK for you Marco.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 15, 2018 02:43 PM (H5rtT)

419
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - NOW WITH VIP at February 15, 2018 02:36 PM (oHMUh)
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Can someone Permaban this fucking Moron & stop THREATENING IT !?

Posted by: DeploraBOT at February 15, 2018 02:43 PM (y3aQB)

420 NOOD!!!

- boy who cries, "nood".

Posted by: SteveOReno at February 15, 2018 02:43 PM (2sCft)

421 Jeff Sessions on Florida HS Shooting: Focus on Mental Health, Enforce Existing Gun Laws -BB

Makes sense.
Posted by: Under Fire at February 15, 2018 02:39 PM (r9UYA)

Thank God. Reason.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 15, 2018 02:43 PM (VHwfF)

422 We need a real hard look at how we do schooling.
Time to get rid of the monolithic 2,000 student high schools and break
districts down into much smaller organizations. Would see an immediate
improvement in student to student and student to teacher contact,
socialization and understanding. Posted by: Diogenes at February 15, 2018 02:37 PM (0tfLf)
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Don't forget the parents. I used to just kinda 'hang out' and accompany parents who were totally intimidated by the monolithic education assistant to the assistant director of development.

Posted by: mustbequantum at February 15, 2018 02:44 PM (MIKMs)

423 Is BSG heading back to the Time Out sidebar?

Posted by: SteveOReno at February 15, 2018 02:44 PM (2sCft)

424 Some members of the horde like to fly fish.
Their comments about Nellie were the fly. You were the big fat rainbow trout that couldn't resist.
Posted by: Simplemind at February 15, 2018 02:36 PM

hahah, yes, I am still taking the hook out of my lip

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at February 15, 2018 02:44 PM (dQJCS)

425 So there's a serious selection bias here that operates against public schools.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 15, 2018 02:43 PM (MjCfq)

The same could be said with regards to teachers as well as kids with respect to public schools.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 15, 2018 02:44 PM (ycWCI)

426

Nood

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 15, 2018 02:44 PM (fceHP)

427 >>>Posted by: DeploraBOT at February 15, 2018 02:43 PM (y3aQB)

You sound triggered.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - NOW WITH VIP at February 15, 2018 02:45 PM (oHMUh)

428 409 many thanks tom
gives me a place to start looking it up

Posted by: concerned ncj is concerned at February 15, 2018 02:45 PM (t6+RR)

429 So there's a serious selection bias here that operates against public schools.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 15, 2018 02:43 PM (MjCfq)

About that...he was thrown out of public school.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at February 15, 2018 02:45 PM (hUqh+)

430 Posted by: Under Fire at February 15, 2018 02:39 PM (r9UYA)
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WAIT!!!!!!!!!! I thhught he was ASLEEP

Posted by: DeploraBOT at February 15, 2018 02:45 PM (y3aQB)

431 >>>62 >>I've seen him wear a Trump hat," Parodie said.

I saw Goody Proctol in the woods talking to Satan!
Posted by: Lizzy at February 15, 2018 01:48 PM (W+vEI)

Good one.

Posted by: m at February 15, 2018 02:46 PM (VKsXm)

432 Every picture I saw of him with a handgun looked like an air soft gun down to the blaze orange tip. The only actual gun I saw may have been the ar15 which is a long gun and legal for a 19 year old.

Posted by: NCKate at February 15, 2018 02:46 PM (gEfBt)

433 I'm not even remotely versed in this but I thought the nuthouses were closed down by Reagan in the 80s to save money

That's the left's line but its utterly false and lacking in historical fact:

http://www.wordaroundthe.net/2012/09/common-knowledge-reagan-and-homeless.html

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 15, 2018 02:46 PM (39g3+)

434 >>>Is BSG heading back to the Time Out sidebar?

Depends, what is the drink menu like?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - NOW WITH VIP at February 15, 2018 02:46 PM (oHMUh)

435 Lee Harvey Oswald: "I'm gonna be a presidential assassin."

FBI: "Sorry. We don't have enough clues to stop him."

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at February 15, 2018 02:47 PM (kUSzu)

436 Take a survey of all the murderers in the US. I will bet that their parents were YOUNGER than average, if there is any statistical difference at all.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 15, 2018 02:41 PM (0jtPF)

I think you're probably right. Poor impulse control/ lack of foresight / mental health issues in parents --> greater likelihood of poor impulse control/ lack of foresight / mental health issues in kids.

Not saying that's true of all young parents, of course, but I would imagine that those traits are more prevalent in young parents. So it's a statistical statement, not a categorical one.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 15, 2018 02:48 PM (MjCfq)

437 "You will also learn that the word "morons" had a specific legal and clinical meaning."

Yep. In the early 1900's morons had IQ's of 51-70, imbeciles had IQ's of 26-50, and idiots had IQ's of 0-25.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at February 15, 2018 02:48 PM (398bZ)

438 He looks racially mixed. Doesn't look at all white bread.
Looks koo koo crazy, though.

Posted by: Max Power at February 15, 2018 02:48 PM (q177U)

439 "Address the real problem of mental illness or the left will have even more ammo to go after all weapons seems kind of the opposite of gun
grabbing.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 15, 2018 02:26 PM "

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Address mental illness and not just for the purpose of acquiring weapons. Deinstutionalisation was supposedly meant to provide dignity to sufferers so they could not be put in a mental hospital at the drop of a hat. All it did is create an army of homeless mentally ill people in each city.

However, in this case I put most of the blame on the FBI. They were warned, people did the right thing particularly in light of the Vegas shooting but they are too busy trying to take down a president.

Posted by: Decaf at February 15, 2018 02:48 PM (/3+Sg)

440 When I was growing up, society was a powerful Detroit V8 tooling down the road to the future.

Today, society is a Yugo that has hit a tree and is now upside down in a water filled ditch.

Better have one of those tools that lets you break a window and escape.

But before you summon the will, remember. You will end up shuddering and weaving into the future in a crumpled, soggy Yugo.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at February 15, 2018 02:49 PM (e1mEI)

441 http://www.wordaroundthe.net/2012/09/common-knowledge-reagan-and-homeless.html
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 15, 2018 02:46 PM (39g3+)

Great summary, bookmarked.

The leftist canard that Reagan closed the mental institutions to save money infuriates me.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 15, 2018 02:50 PM (MjCfq)

442 When I was growing up, society was a powerful Detroit V8 tooling down the road to the future.

Today, society is a Yugo that has hit a tree and is now upside down in a water filled ditch.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at February 15, 2018 02:49 PM (e1mEI)

Tomorrow it'll be a cart pulled by a burro.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 15, 2018 02:50 PM (MjCfq)

443 I am curious about one thing. There was an instagram photo of his 'arsenal' and it was goodly sized, including a couple handguns. Where does a 19 yr old orphan get the money for that? And if his mom knew he was troubled...did she even know before she died?

I'm wondering who bought him the handguns, assuming they're real. In FL an 18 year old can buy long guns, but handguns are 21+.

Posted by: bonhomme at February 15, 2018 02:51 PM (iv0p7)

444 It's people throwing a temper tantrum. It is suicide. Yes, my opinion. My informed opinion based on history...not emotion.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 15, 2018 02:41 PM (VHwfF)

People who voted for Barky have absolutely NO INTEREST in the United States. None. They want this country dissolved and replaced by some socialist, Eurotrash shithole - at best.

If you think that those are your countrymen and such a population that makes for a great "united" country, then bully for you. I understand history enough to know what such people hold in store for any country unlucky enough to be burdened with their presence.

There are truly such things as irreconcilable differences. If you can't recognize such things then that's your issue, but to make some sort of case that no such thing exists (which is really what you're arguing) is silly.

Any country with more than a small minority of leftists is not long for this world, not as a free nation, that is. We have much more than a small minority of leftists. We have enough to have voted in a guy who obviously hated every single thing about America and worked as hard as his little pea-brain allowed him to destroy this nation, with these leftist dipshits cheering the malevolent retard on at every step. Not only do I have no need for such people, I want to have NO ASSOCIATION with such people. NONE. They deserve to be forced to live in the shithole they are deadset on making and I do not.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 15, 2018 02:51 PM (8gDQu)

445 Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 15, 2018 02:41 PM (VHwfF)

Instead of disparaging people and saying they dont want to do the hard work, tell me what that hard work is. We have crossed the Rubicon in so many areas that no amount of hard work will reverse it. Gay marriage, abortion, transgenders in the military, affirmative action, out of control socialist entitlements , pc military and unfortunately in my opinion , unfettered immigration without assimilation. My America that I knew and loved is gone.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 15, 2018 02:53 PM (EZkQC)

446 "A group called The Republic of Florida claimed he was a member. They are a small right wing militia. A member came forward."

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And is that member an undercover FBI agent?

Posted by: Decaf at February 15, 2018 02:55 PM (/3+Sg)

447 Ace can't afford to lose his Republic of Florida type readers.

Stupid angry white men who women can't stand are pretty much 98% of your readers.

Posted by: Legally purchased AR-15 at February 15, 2018 03:08 PM (Vbkt/)

448 Quick question: if the shooter was a white nationalist, how come all the people he shot were white?

Posted by: Bryan at February 15, 2018 03:10 PM (jaTUq)

449 449 "A group called The Republic of Florida claimed he was a member. They are a small right wing militia. A member came forward."

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And is that member an undercover FBI agent?
Posted by: Decaf at February 15, 2018 02:55 PM (/3+Sg)

Ben Shapiro wrote an article claiming this White Nationalist group self reported the information to the ADL.

Doesn't make any sense.

Posted by: Monk at February 15, 2018 03:13 PM (g4lFK)

450 Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 15, 2018 02:41 PM (VHwfF)

Instead of disparaging people and saying they dont want to do the hard work, tell me what that hard work is. We have crossed the Rubicon in so many areas that no amount of hard work will reverse it. Gay marriage, abortion, transgenders in the military, affirmative action, out of control socialist entitlements , pc military and unfortunately in my opinion , unfettered immigration without assimilation. My America that I knew and loved is gone.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 15, 2018 02:53 PM (EZkQC)

I have made many posts about what the hard work is, and what people can do. And I hold myself just as responsible for not having done it more myself. Maybe if I had taken my civic duty more seriously, along with everyone else, we wouldn't be in this place.

The America we knew probably is gone, but I'd hope we would learn from that and work to make sure it doesn't slide further, because that is the way we are going...and it has picked up speed.

I don't think I am disparaging people by stating the obvious. I hold myself to the same standard, and I do make posts about things people can do. But I do get tired of banging the same drum all the time. Plus, with the internet and everything else people can look up themselves what they can do. Hell, make calls if nothing else.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 15, 2018 03:17 PM (VHwfF)

451 I want nothing to do with any kind of Marxist Mindset. Time for a national divorce before it's too late, if we haven't crossed that point already.

I'm sick of being the scapegoat, as I'm sure others are, for our country turning into a 3rd world totalitarian shithole.

Posted by: Monk at February 15, 2018 03:19 PM (g4lFK)

452 it's just terrible to question the FBI about this grotesque and catastrophic failure.
..........

What on earth does this have to do with finding my car keys?

Posted by: FBI "Special" Agent at February 15, 2018 03:20 PM (HgMAr)

453 Ace can't afford to lose his Republic of Florida type readers.

Stupid angry white men who women can't stand are pretty much 98% of your readers.
Posted by: Legally purchased AR-15 at February 15, 2018 03:08 PM (Vbkt/)

There are times it definitely seems that way. Especially one or two always beat that drum. But I hope/don't think most aren't women haters. There are many happily married men on here, from what I can tell. COBs included. If not, I think I'd be gone already.

I will admit, however, that my view of men was always very positive, and it has taken a hit...been dented...since I've been here. I skip certain people's posts now. And I wish I could have that full positivity back. That is the one big negative I will admit.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 15, 2018 03:26 PM (VHwfF)

454 The America we knew probably is gone, but I'd hope we would learn from that and work to make sure it doesn't slide further, because that is the way we are going...and it has picked up speed.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 15, 2018 03:17 PM (VHwfF)

You address the problems with your own idea right here.

There's a reason it is probably gone, already. Once you identify that reason then you will see that we are quite beyond the "united we stand" triteness.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 15, 2018 03:26 PM (8gDQu)

455 Looks white to me.. Not that that matters

Posted by: It's me donna at February 15, 2018 02:39 PM (O2RFr)

========

Compare him: https://tinyurl.com/y8znam8u

to his victims: https://tinyurl.com/yakmdzlf

Do you still think he's white?

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 15, 2018 03:31 PM (/qEW2)

456 FBI interview of Nikolas Cruz

Federal Agent: Mr. Cruz, we'd like to ask you a few questions about a comment you made on Youtube that was reported to us.

Cruz: Comment? What comment?

Federal Agent: Well, the comment in question was "I'm going to be a professional school shooter."

Cruz: Oh, that one. That was just a joke.

Federal Agent: Okey dokey. That about wraps this up. Goodbye.

What are people thinking might have come from the FBI "doing something" about this comment?

That Cruz would have been arrested? Tried? Imprisoned? What, exactly?

Posted by: Yuri at February 15, 2018 03:37 PM (5twBm)

457 4chan trolled an ABC reporter yesterday. They are gloating today about taking 'fake news' scalps. I believe Shapiro's piece even mentioned 4chan as a source originally before it was altered.

Posted by: DrEviler at February 15, 2018 03:38 PM (kqPLM)

458 There's a reason it is probably gone, already. Once you identify that reason then you will see that we are quite beyond the "united we stand" triteness.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 15, 2018 03:26 PM (8gDQu)

I disagree with you on the "United we Stand". It is not trite to me at all. I address why that is upthread. Also, Trump won. That means we are not too far gone...unless we think we are. It is tempting to do, but it is not true. Maybe if HRC was in office I could buy that argument. But with Trump winning and the other things we are seeing, it is not.

People shed blood for this country, and during times worse than this...by far. And we came out stronger. I owe them. I honor them by not giving into the sIren song of despair. Also, Iron Grampa.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 15, 2018 03:40 PM (VHwfF)

459 People who voted for Barky have absolutely NO INTEREST in the United States. None. They want this country dissolved and replaced by some socialist, Eurotrash shithole - at best.

I know many, many people who voted for Barky who also voted for Trump. And many people who voted for Romney who then voted for Hillary. Just sayin...

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 15, 2018 04:02 PM (VHwfF)

460 Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 15, 2018 03:26 PM (VHwfF)

You responded seriously to a troll. A dullard with reading comprehension issues, apparently, since if he could read he'd realize that an awful lot of regulars are women, although we are far more feminine than liberal females are, and far more masculine than liberal soy boys.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at February 15, 2018 04:06 PM (ZM2xo)

461 There are truly such things as irreconcilable differences. If you can't recognize such things then that's your issue, but to make some sort of case that no such thing exists (which is really what you're arguing) is silly.

Uhhhh....no. Don't know where you are getting that.

There are always irreconcilable differences in a democracy, a republic, a community...hell, a family. We have systems to decide those. Voting is one.

There are always those differences. The civil war was that in spades. And even after it was decided those still existed. But we functioned and thrived.

To think we can only be successful if we don't have those is an equation for despair....because human nature is not that easy. Never was, never wil be.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 15, 2018 04:10 PM (VHwfF)

462 Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 15, 2018 03:26 PM (VHwfF)

You responded seriously to a troll. A dullard with reading comprehension issues, apparently, since if he could read he'd realize that an awful lot of regulars are women, although we are far more feminine than liberal females are, and far more masculine than liberal soy boys.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at February 15, 2018 04:06 PM (ZM2xo)

Ah, didn't realize he was a troll. Got it. My bad. Thanks.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 15, 2018 04:11 PM (VHwfF)

463 two thing, not ALL right wing gun owners acted bad, huhhhmmm?

and if the guy is a badwhite...why shoot whites?

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 15, 2018 04:30 PM (V3U1L)

464 This thing says no connection to florida republic... whatever that is supposed to be, story will probably change three times more before the weekend is done...

https://tinyurl.com/y8axemyw

Posted by: JoshO at February 15, 2018 05:08 PM (dEefA)

465 What about the picture where he'swearing a hammer and sickle T shirt? Is that a photoshop?

Posted by: Bill R. at February 15, 2018 05:11 PM (IuYIh)

466 This guy was posting on social media (((JewTube))) which is owned by Jewgle. Do not know about Faceberg. Thus, YouTube and Google aided and publicized this guy's scheme. I think that, as Obamohammed would say, this is a teachable moment. We need to scrutinize these (((social media titans))) and their operations. Might need to put the brakes on their operations and consider not allowing them to conduct their business. Their business model is dangerous.

Posted by: Truth-hammer at February 15, 2018 06:52 PM (voC0m)

467 Clean up on aisle #466

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at February 15, 2018 07:53 PM (N5dam)

468 FBI- Friends of Barack Inc.

Posted by: Truth-hammer at February 15, 2018 08:01 PM (voC0m)

469 If the leftist fanatics couldn't find fools to do their dirty work. They are so invested in society overthrow, they would be forced to do the dirty work themselves. Up 'till now, by appearances they seem to be keeping their hands clean of the dirty work of human slaughter. Amazing how many whores can be bought with money, globalist and demorat money, now-a-days.

Posted by: ron n. at February 15, 2018 08:04 PM (MBrFx)

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