Mollie Hemingway: The Grassley/Graham Memo is Even More Damaging Than the Nunes Memo, and Obliterates Many of the Progressives' and NeverTrumpers' Key Wishcasting Defenses of the FISA Application

There were several defense offered by liberals/NeverTrumpers (BIRM) to the Nunes memo, the most important of which was:

Maybe the Steele Memo was only mentioned in passing, but there was a whole pile of other evidence that would support a gross invasion of someone's privacy.

This claim was always a Magical Thinking joke, which was obvious to us non-conspiracy-theorists and non-magical-thinkers, because:

1, when the Deep State wanted to drop a bomb on Trump, they leaked word of the briefing of the Steele Dossier, not this alleged hypothetical supporting evidence. You don't leak your weaksauce crap. You leak your good stuff, not your chaff.

2, when any lawyer is drafting a motion, he includes only his strongest arguments and proofs and omits his weaksauce crap.

The very fact that the Dossier was included in the FISA application at all should have been a strong hint to the NeverTrump Magical Thinkers that there was no "stronger evidence we just don't know about" -- because if there had been stronger evidence, they never would have bothered including the weaksause Steele Dossier at all, especially given its problematic partisan origins.

And...

3, despite this farce having gone on for 18 months now, and Adam Schiff and various Deep State operatives leaking like sieves, this magical hypothetical "stronger evidence we just don't know about" did something no actual evidence in this case heretofore managed: It stayed out of the press, somehow.

But, proving Trump right that Americans are Dreamers Too, the conspiracy theorists and Magical Thinkers just kept pushing this narrative that the Steele Dossier was just minor piffle in the FISA Application, and that the Mystery Evidence That Someone Never Leaked was really the star of the show.

How do I say this?

Are you fucking stupid, bruv?

Have you been sipping on so much Democrat Dick you've become spunk-drunk?

How do you snidely imply that other people are conspiracy theorists and Jesus-Addled Magical Thinkers when you sit there postulating Super Strong Evidence We Just Don't Know About Because Adam Schiff Has Too Much Damn Integrity to Leak It?

Mollie Hemingway takes us on a tour of the Grassley/Graham memo, which proves the basics of the Nunes Memo, and leaves the Democrats and NeverTrumpers (but I repeat myself) who previously dreamed up a slew of defenses sputtering and now griping "You should have released this first!"

Why, to spare you the embarrassment?

Here are a couple of her key points, but only a couple; you really have to give her the click and read the whole thing.

Below, the headline's are Mollie's, the text supporting those headings is from Grassley/Graham.

Comey On Dossier's Lack Of Meaningful Corroboration

When asked at the March 2017 briefing why the FBI relied on the dossier in the FISA applications absent meaningful corroboration--and in light of the highly political motives surrounding its creation--then-Director Comey stated that the FBI included the dossier allegations about Carter Page in the FISA applications because Mr. Steele himself was considered reliable due to his past work with the Bureau.

Translation: No, there is no deep well of Strong Evidence We Don't Know About. The chief sort of "corroboration" of the Steele Dossier is that Steele is a very reliable fellow and wouldn't lie to us.

Well, we'll take a look at that in a bit, shall we?

Dossier Formed 'Bulk' Of FISA Application

Indeed, the documents we have reviewed show that the FBI took important investigative steps largely based on Mr. Steele’s information--and relying heavily on his credibility. Specifically, on October 21, 2016, the FBI filed its first warrant application under FISA for Carter Page. [REDACTED] The bulk of the application consists of allegations against Page that were disclosed to the FBI by Mr. Steele and are also outlined in the Steele dossier.

Translation: No, there was no large cache of Secret Evidence The Deep State Just Forgot to Leak. The application was indeed, as Nunes said (and NeverTrumpers denied), based almost entirely on the dodgy dossier, with no corroboration or independent streams of information.

Isikoff's Yahoo Article Cited In Place Of Corroboration

The application appears to contain no additional information corroborating the dossier allegations against Mr. Page, although it does cite to a news article that appears to be sourced to Mr. Steele's dossier as well.

Translation: The big piece of corroboration was the citation of a fucking newspaper article as completely-independent confirmation of one claim Steele made (that Page was promised a 19% share in a major oil company if he could get sanctions lifted).

But this wasn't completely independent -- because Steele had lied to the FBI about talking to the press. In fact, this newspaper article is based on what Steele told Isikoff.

Steele essentially "corroborated" himself by ginning up one layer of anonymous sourcing.

Political Basis Mentioned Only 'To A Vaguely Limited Extent'

[T]he FBI noted to a vaguely limited extent the political origins of the dossier. In footnote 8 the FBI stated that the dossier information was compiled pursuant to the direction of a law firm who had hired an "identified U.S. person" -now known as Glenn Simpson of Fusion GPS–[REDACTED] The application failed to disclose that the identities of Mr. Simpson’s ultimate clients were the Clinton campaign and the DNC.

Translation: No, the FISA Application did not "really" alert the court to the fact that Hillary Clinton and the DNC paid for this trash. It deliberately hid that from the court by referring only to a "US person" as behind it.

Remember how this all came out -- it was falsely rumored for months that this was all paid for by Republican opponents of Trump.

Someone reading an application or a renewal application could assume, especially with those rumors, that the "US person" was really working for Republicans, and, if so, that would tend to prove the credibility of the document -- if Republicans dug this up and are alarmed by it, so much so that they'd tank an election rather than let this RUSSIAN stooge into the White House, well, that's something to consider!

Imagine what a court would have thought if these guys had written this out clearly:

The uncorroborated document which forms the main basis of our application was paid for by Hillary Clinton and the DNC, and assembled by an admitted anti-Trump partisan "desperate" to keep Trump out of the White House.

Yeah, if you'e thinking "I can see why they didn't write it that way," you can see why they decided to violate their duties as officers of the court and conceal the plain truth from the judge.

Okay, I'm not going to quote anything more. I'll refer you to the article, but just note this fact:

The FISA application represented to the court that the Yahoo article was independent corroboration, claiming Steele hadn't spoken to the press, and therefore Isikoff's article must come through some separate, independent channel of information.

This was a lie all along. But at first, it was only Steele's lie.

However, when Yates, Rosenstein, etc., singed the renewal applications, they did not update their application to inform the court that their previous representation had been false, that Steele had lied to them about when he spoke to the press, and in fact that Steele's association with the FBI had been terminated due to this misconduct.

They had a duty as officers of the court to tell the judge that.

Yet, they concealed it, once again.

Now if you're thinking, "Well, I can sure see why they concealed that, because that would destroy not only their renewal application but the original application too" -- yes, you can now see why officers of the court sometimes perpetrate frauds on the court.

It's the same reason any unethical litigant conceals material information from the court:

Because they know the truth would hurt them.

So they lie.

I look forward to the NeverTrumper Magical Thinkers concocting some further fanciful Hypothetical Evidence that will dig their credibility out of this latest pit they've dug for their smug-ass selves.

Posted by: Ace at 05:39 PM




Comments

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1 Damn, take me an hour to read this.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at February 07, 2018 05:40 PM (mpXpK)

2 Juan Williams says move on.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 07, 2018 05:41 PM (IqV8l)

3 First

Posted by: eleven at February 07, 2018 05:41 PM (+lOpA)

4

Posted by: eleven at February 07, 2018 05:41 PM (+lOpA)

5
It goes right to the top, er, bottom (in more ways than one) - O B A M A.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 05:41 PM (mbhDw)

6 top 10

Posted by: Old Nam Vet at February 07, 2018 05:42 PM (FqZOm)

7 Have you been sipping on so much Democrat Dick you've become spunk-drunk?

Couldn't have said it any better myself.

Posted by: Shemp! at February 07, 2018 05:42 PM (Tyii7)

8 Spunk drunk. Good shit that.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at February 07, 2018 05:43 PM (89T5c)

9 The Democrats are using the "cheating husband defense". Deny deny deny and lie like hell.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at February 07, 2018 05:43 PM (mpXpK)

10 Brian Williams did a full rundown of this on the six o'clock news. Very informative it was.

Posted by: Hillbilly King taking back the neighborhood one block at a time at February 07, 2018 05:44 PM (mMMjw)

11 Crazy crackpot conservative conspiracy theories! Just because a group of people agreed on and acted in concert toward a shared goal doesn't mean there was a conspiracy, you wingnuts!

Posted by: Insomniac at February 07, 2018 05:44 PM (NWiLs)

12 Brian Williams did a full rundown of this on the six o'clock news. Very informative it was.

It was Trump's fault.

Posted by: Hillbilly King taking back the neighborhood one block at a time at February 07, 2018 05:44 PM (mMMjw)

13 They need to show a clip of Toto pulling the curtain aside every time they report new aspects of the investigation.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 07, 2018 05:44 PM (6Ll1u)

14 9 The Democrats are using the "cheating husband defense". Deny deny deny and lie like hell.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at February 07, 2018 05:43 PM (mpXpK)


Ike Turner really was the victim in that relationship.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 05:44 PM (mbhDw)

15 They called me Spunky Shemp! back in the day.

Posted by: Shemp! at February 07, 2018 05:44 PM (Tyii7)

16 Amos 5:24

But let justice roll on like a river, righteousness like a never-failing stream!

Posted by: Not James Comey at February 07, 2018 05:44 PM (8+Ozj)

17 weaksauce crap.


Located on aisle 3 in grocery stores.

Posted by: dantesed at February 07, 2018 05:44 PM (88xKn)

18 But we WANT to believe!
NeverTrumpers

Posted by: steevy at February 07, 2018 05:45 PM (LiyEm)

19 Heh..

Posted by: tbodie at February 07, 2018 05:45 PM (WDy4l)

20 ace, the only direct comment I've heard on the FISA application(s) was from Gowdy. He said the "evidence" was 1) dossier 2) Yahoo story 3) "other information". He didn't specify what (3) might be, and wasn't asked (of course).


As many have said, there is no way in the universe that, in the end, the applications, court transcripts, etc. are not released (with minimal redactions). No way. Unless we have some mass plea deal with all the perps, in which case no trial is required. But still.


Posted by: rhomboid at February 07, 2018 05:45 PM (QDnY+)

21 I spent 30 mins today debating 2 libs. The stupid was burning. I learned that Trump is more dangerous than isis, taxes are too low, we need more regulationss, and the best one....we have too much money invested by companies and more of that money needs to go to workers.

I need a drink.

Posted by: #neverskankles at February 07, 2018 05:45 PM (Aajx4)

22 spunk drunk? you mad brah?

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 07, 2018 05:45 PM (KP5rU)

23 The whole thing was a set-up from the get-go.

So we have to ask: who else got this FusionGPS-DNC FISA treatment?!?

Posted by: Lizzy at February 07, 2018 05:45 PM (W+vEI)

24 So you're saying that the whole Trump-Russia collusion thing is ginned up nonsense made possible by the systematic abuse of power in the previous administration?

Well, knock me over with a feather!

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 07, 2018 05:45 PM (CPk08)

25 So, how was the play Mrs Lincoln?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 07, 2018 05:45 PM (7LY+6)

26 13 They need to show a clip of Toto pulling the curtain aside every time they report new aspects of the investigation.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 07, 2018 05:44 PM (6Ll1u)


Hey...we should have a Toto GIF to go long with the flaming skull GIF.

Note to dog lovers: I did not say flaming Toto GIF.

Posted by: eleven at February 07, 2018 05:46 PM (+lOpA)

27 21 I spent 30 mins today debating 2 libs. The stupid was burning. I learned that Trump is more dangerous than isis, taxes are too low, we need more regulationss, and the best one....we have too much money invested by companies and more of that money needs to go to workers.

I need a drink.
Posted by: #neverskankles at February 07, 2018 05:45 PM (Aajx4)


Well, if their taxes are too low should they not be volunteering to pay more to the Treasury? Y'know, because it's patriotic?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 05:46 PM (mbhDw)

28 Ike Beats Tina to Death.

Posted by: NY Post Headline at February 07, 2018 05:46 PM (89T5c)

29 "Heh" maade more sense when all the BOLD was there...

Posted by: tbodie at February 07, 2018 05:46 PM (WDy4l)

30 Ike Turner really was the victim in that relationship."

B.... set me up..."

Heh

Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 07, 2018 05:46 PM (7LY+6)

31 and despite all this, Trump still won. and is still winning. quite the herculean task.

Posted by: IC at February 07, 2018 05:46 PM (a0IVu)

32 And Wikileaks has an email stating Isikoff was working with the DNC at the time.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 07, 2018 05:47 PM (4e+hS)

33 Carter Page corroborated parts of the Steele Dossier in his HPSCI testimony.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - NOW WITH VIP at February 07, 2018 05:47 PM (aRDor)

34 Crazy crackpot conservative conspiracy theories! Just because a group of people agreed on and acted in concert toward a shared goal doesn't mean there was a conspiracy, you wingnuts!

Posted by: Insomniac
********************

Right. I've got a nose for these things and I can tell you hyperbole is just the beginning.

Posted by: Brian at February 07, 2018 05:47 PM (mMMjw)

35 28 Ike Beats Tina to Death.
Posted by: NY Post Headline at February 07, 2018 05:46 PM (89T5c)


Greatest piece of journalism in history.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 05:47 PM (mbhDw)

36 Other bit of indirect info/reasoning that strongly suggests dossier nonsense was key, of course, is the McCabe testimony that it was the sine qua non for the FISA application.


Another thing I've been asking, and haven't seen in extensive homework on the FISA process - how in the hell are renewals granted without the govt. characterizing/providing examples of the "take" from the expiring warrant? In other words, don't they have to show some production from this extraordinary suspension of constitutional rights? Absurd that, in renewals, the govt. would not have to substantiate their "cause" for snooping with actual evidence gathered thereby.


Posted by: rhomboid at February 07, 2018 05:47 PM (QDnY+)

37 Ike Turner really was the victim in that relationship.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 05:44 PM (mbhDw)


Tina wouldn't let him be clear.

Posted by: eleven at February 07, 2018 05:47 PM (+lOpA)

38 Back when I wore a younger woman's clothes. Those were good times. *sniff*

Posted by: Shemp! at February 07, 2018 05:47 PM (Tyii7)

39 >>So you're saying that the whole Trump-Russia collusion thing is ginned up nonsense made possible by the systematic abuse of power in the previous administration?


Better: There is PROOF of this and it's in the hands of people who want to do something about it.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 07, 2018 05:48 PM (W+vEI)

40 Rhomboid,
It was another dossier by a guy named Shearer that was passed to Steele. He is a long time dirty tricks agent for the Clintons working with Sid Blumenthal. In essence, they were using Steele as a cutout to push Clinton propaganda. Course, Steele was down with it.

Go to Conservative Treehouse. They are keeping up with most developments better than others.

Posted by: whig at February 07, 2018 05:48 PM (acrHV)

41 37 Ike Turner really was the victim in that relationship.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 05:44 PM (mbhDw)

Tina wouldn't let him be clear.
Posted by: eleven at February 07, 2018 05:47 PM (+lOpA)


Or finish his waffle.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 05:48 PM (mbhDw)

42 "Have you been sipping on so much Democrat Dick you've become spunk-drunk?"

OK, I don't often actually "LOL" when I'm reading shit on the internets, but you got me with this one, Ace.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at February 07, 2018 05:48 PM (398bZ)

43 Well isn't this special:

Michael Isikoff is the co-author on an upcoming book with David Corn entitled; Russian Roulette: The Inside Story of Putin's War on America and the Election of Donald Trump, scheduled for publication on March 20, 2018.

The publisher may want to take back any advances they paid out for this piece of crap.

Posted by: Cheri at February 07, 2018 05:48 PM (oiNtH)

44 I see heads popping. Everywhere.

Smells like.... victory.

Posted by: Deplorable Redneck Bitter Clinger at February 07, 2018 05:48 PM (iiixZ)

45 BSG, which parts? Specifically.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 07, 2018 05:48 PM (QDnY+)

46 It's proxies all the way around until the proxies connect to form a full circle of Marxists.

Posted by: Momk at February 07, 2018 05:48 PM (g4lFK)

47 The Wiki link : https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/3962

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 07, 2018 05:49 PM (4e+hS)

48 Have you been sipping on so much Democrat Dick you've become spunk-drunk?

*slurp slurp smack slurp*

*mmph slurp swirl slurp*

Posted by: Wun Williams at February 07, 2018 05:49 PM (x25VP)

49 >>Have you been sipping on so much Democrat Dick you've become spunk-drunk?

Ha.

There is a wikileaks email out there somewhere showing that Isikoff was very tight with the DNC and Hillary. Like in the tank tight.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 07, 2018 05:49 PM (/tuJf)

50 Growing forward, can we possibly get easier to understand scandals?

Posted by: Weasel at February 07, 2018 05:49 PM (d3bXz)

51
BSG, which parts? Specifically.

That there exists a place called "Russia." And there really is a person called Putin.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at February 07, 2018 05:50 PM (9aPjE)

52
In case anyone here is unclear, the Steele Dossier is a fiction. It has zero factual content of any kind. If anyone disagrees with that, he or she is urged to show specifically what part(s) is/are true and show who confirmed it and when.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 05:50 PM (mbhDw)

53 Latest info--Carter Page worked through Les Aspin for the Clinton Admin. 93-94 time period.

Posted by: whig at February 07, 2018 05:50 PM (acrHV)

54 This "Russia".


Show me.

Posted by: eleven at February 07, 2018 05:51 PM (+lOpA)

55 Speaking to family and friends who are way less political than myself the last 24 hours, the Russian Jerky Boys audio was a nail in the coffin for them.

Shut it down.

Posted by: Momk at February 07, 2018 05:51 PM (g4lFK)

56 BSG, which parts? Specifically.

This ought to be good.

Posted by: bonhomme at February 07, 2018 05:51 PM (iv0p7)

57 whig, thanks. Well Gowdy might have done everyone a favor and said "other info, similar to and no better than the dossier" if that is correct.


Happen to know one of the people who passed along the Shearer crap, I think. How bout that. Strange guy, very zealous, but never one of the sleazy operators back then.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 07, 2018 05:51 PM (QDnY+)

58 They're all feeding in the same septic tank.

RICO.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at February 07, 2018 05:51 PM (89T5c)

59 55 Speaking to family and friends who are way less political than myself the last 24 hours, the Russian Jerky Boys audio was a nail in the coffin for them.

Shut it down.
Posted by: Momk at February 07, 2018 05:51 PM (g4lFK)


I was waiting for one of them to tell Schiff "FRANK RIZZO!"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 05:51 PM (mbhDw)

60 Hey...we should have a Toto GIF to go long with the flaming skull GIF.

Note to dog lovers: I did not say flaming Toto GIF.
Posted by: eleven at February 07, 2018 05:46 PM (+lOpA)


I bless the flames down in Africa.

Posted by: Toto at February 07, 2018 05:51 PM (CPk08)

61 I need a drink.
Posted by: #neverskankles at February 07, 2018 05:45 PM (Aajx4)

WORD

Posted by: tbodie at February 07, 2018 05:52 PM (WDy4l)

62 >>So you're saying that the whole Trump-Russia collusion thing is ginned up nonsense made possible by the systematic abuse of power in the previous administration?
______________________

Better: There is PROOF of this and it's in the hands of people who want to do something about it.

Posted by: Lizzy
****************


Urban legends that's all they are. Make a prosecution.
Get a conviction then come talk to me. Until then bring me another Tom Collins.

Posted by: Lawyered Up at February 07, 2018 05:52 PM (mMMjw)

63 Weasel, lol .....

Posted by: rhomboid at February 07, 2018 05:52 PM (QDnY+)

64 >>There is a wikileaks email out there somewhere showing that Isikoff was very tight with the DNC and Hillary. Like in the tank tight.


And THAT is why Assange suggested Trump (in response to this morning's all caps tweet) that he cross-reference the Weiner laptop contact list with his email leak db.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 07, 2018 05:52 PM (W+vEI)

65 I'm betting BSG goes with the tried and true, "google it you moron, do I have to spoonfeed you everything" dodge.

Posted by: bonhomme at February 07, 2018 05:52 PM (iv0p7)

66 Fruit of the poisoned tree. Does this not apply here at all?

Posted by: Momk at February 07, 2018 05:52 PM (g4lFK)

67 GP- (so very large grain of salt)

Carter Page was a member of the Clinton administration Transition Team.

Carter Page previously worked with the Clinton Administration transition team in 1992-1993 while serving as a Research Fellow on the House Armed Services Committee (HASC) on Capitol Hill. During his Fellowship, HASC Chairman Les Aspin was selected by President Clinton as the Secretary of Defense in December 1992. From May 1993- December 1994, Carter went on to serve as the Arms Control Action Officer for Counterproliferation Policy in the Nuclear Affairs and International Negotiations Branch of the Navy Staff in the Pentagon.

Posted by: B at February 07, 2018 05:52 PM (x25VP)

68 https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/3962

Here is the wikileaks email. Check out the reference to Manafot as well.

Also look at the date.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 07, 2018 05:52 PM (/tuJf)

69
hear the lamentations of their numales

Posted by: x at February 07, 2018 05:53 PM (nFwvY)

70 62 55 Speaking to family and friends who are way less political than myself the last 24 hours, the Russian Jerky Boys audio was a nail in the coffin for them.

Shut it down.
Posted by: Momk at February 07, 2018 05:51 PM (g4lFK)


Susan is sipping on his penis.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 05:53 PM (mbhDw)

71 "Carter Page corroborated parts of the Steele Dossier in his HPSCI testimony."

Yes, the Dossier said that Carter Page went to Russia.

And Carter Page admitted that he did go to Russia. In fact, he told everyone he knew that he was going to Russia before he went.

And that's about it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 07, 2018 05:53 PM (k1TUh)

72
FBI to the pit of smug ass selves!

Dilly dilly!

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 07, 2018 05:53 PM (r+sAi)

73 >>Have you been sipping on so much Democrat Dick you've become spunk-drunk?

Ha.

There is a wikileaks email out there somewhere showing that Isikoff was very tight with the DNC and Hillary. Like in the tank tight.

Posted by: JackStraw
******************

This was a secret?

Posted by: Live at Five at February 07, 2018 05:54 PM (mMMjw)

74 They should all be disbarred.

Posted by: Just Wondering at February 07, 2018 05:54 PM (qlTN9)

75 Rosneft, Sechin, and Baranov meetings.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - NOW WITH VIP at February 07, 2018 05:54 PM (aRDor)

76

I hate spunk-drunk!

Posted by: Lou Grant at February 07, 2018 05:54 PM (IqV8l)

77 59 55 Speaking to family and friends who are way less political than myself the last 24 hours, the Russian Jerky Boys audio was a nail in the coffin for them.

Shut it down.
Posted by: Momk at February 07, 2018 05:51 PM (g4lFK)


I was waiting for one of them to tell Schiff "FRANK RIZZO!"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 05:51 PM (mbhDw)

LOL!

That audio will never get old. I'm still laughing and listening to it. It's unbelievable!

Posted by: Momk at February 07, 2018 05:55 PM (g4lFK)

78 I hate spunk-drunk!
Posted by: Lou Grant at February 07, 2018 05:54 PM (IqV8l)



thread victor.

Posted by: eleven at February 07, 2018 05:55 PM (+lOpA)

79 This is all well and good.

But if I don't start seeing perp-walks - and of high freaking level folks and not some poor sacrificial hack riding the cubicle farm in the basement somewhere - my pitchfork is getting sharpened to razor-level.

Posted by: DocJ at February 07, 2018 05:55 PM (7bkOX)

80 It's really not pertinent to the important issues here, but Carter Page - pretty odd guy. At least based on the few interviews I've seen. His head keeps kind of bobbing around, he's always has a Jimmy Carter-inappropriate smile going, and he is unresponsive to explosive questions. Not evasive - just like his mind isn't working right.


And he claims to have been a "witness" in the Buryakov sting in 2013, even though the leaked description of the sting said that recording devices secreted in binders yielded the key evidence - and Page said he gave Buryakov some binders of his NYU course material (energy biz). Of course the "recording devices" part, or the binders detail, could be false.



Posted by: rhomboid at February 07, 2018 05:55 PM (QDnY+)

81 77
LOL!

That audio will never get old. I'm still laughing and listening to it. It's unbelievable!
Posted by: Momk at February 07, 2018 05:55 PM (g4lFK)


Having not heard it now for well over 20 years, looking back it was an office favorite for a while.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 05:56 PM (mbhDw)

82
Binders full of bullshit!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 05:56 PM (mbhDw)

83 Posted by: Momk
...


Transitioning?

Posted by: B at February 07, 2018 05:56 PM (x25VP)

84 Hello, I'm Barrack and I'm a spunkaholic.

[Hi, Barrack]

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at February 07, 2018 05:56 PM (398bZ)

85 Verrrrry interestingk...

Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto at February 07, 2018 05:57 PM (e9G8E)

86 Show us on the doll where Russia touched you...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 07, 2018 05:57 PM (7LY+6)

87 Nobody is going to jail, Menendez is back to his old job, business as usual.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 07, 2018 05:57 PM (6Ll1u)

88 US person or a vicious, life-sucking bitch from which there is no escape.

FIFBI

Posted by: x at February 07, 2018 05:58 PM (nFwvY)

89 S.A.

Spunkaholics Anonymous.

Posted by: eleven at February 07, 2018 05:58 PM (+lOpA)

90 It's even worse than that Ace. Not only 1) was there no evidence at all in support of the FISA application; and, 2) the partisan "ops" nature of the dossier was hidden from the FISA court, but, in addition to that, the illegal and Stasi like gov't spying operation on the Trump campaign carried out by the Obama White House/DOJ and FBI ( in league with the Clinton Campaign and the DNC) took place over almost a year (3 FISA Warrants worth of spying!!!) and they STILL could not find any evidence of wrongdoing on the part of Trump or anyone in his campaign in reference to the election or his other activities that they eavesdropped on. If it existed we would have seen it by now.

Why Meuller is not wrapping this bullsh*t up only means that he is a partisan.

There is simply no "there, there".

At this juncture, knowing the illegal nature of all of the initial underpinning of this "investigation" an honorable prosecutor would wrap it up, drop all pending BS procedure charges and issue a statement recommending that the people who put this BS before the FISA court be prosecuted.

Posted by: Publius Redux at February 07, 2018 05:58 PM (0YSzp)

91 Think Page denied meeting with Sechin. Dunno about others.


In any case, so what?


Turns out I am not completely unfamiliar with some of these things, and I don't believe a couple of meetings of this type (which were on-topic for Page's business and background, anyway) would be any part of any serious request for surveillance of the type under discussion.



Posted by: rhomboid at February 07, 2018 05:58 PM (QDnY+)

92 Is there a bridge too far for the media when it comes to full on regurgitating of DNC talking points? Could the Democrats demand a media spin to which the media would say WTF?

Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at February 07, 2018 05:58 PM (eAMlh)

93 This belongs in the GAINZZZ thread but Pelosi has been talking non stop for 7 hours. I don't know how any republican can sit there and listen to her.

Posted by: IC at February 07, 2018 05:58 PM (a0IVu)

94 Up there on the roof slapping each other with the hot mops.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at February 07, 2018 05:58 PM (89T5c)

95 I can't wait to see how Hot Air, Bill Kristol, etc. spin this one.

I predict lots of hand-waving and evasive maneuvers.

Posted by: T at February 07, 2018 05:58 PM (MmeCn)

96 66 Fruit of the poisoned tree. Does this not apply here at all?

Hey hey hey! I identify as a vegetable now.
Quit deadnaming me, h8r!

Posted by: Vegetable with seeds intact at February 07, 2018 05:58 PM (RMlYr)

97 Wait, did we say Russian collusion? I don't think we did. You heard us wrong. We said Iranian collusion. No wonder you all are getting this story so wrong. Trump colluded with the Iranians to deny me the presidency. Them and their bots.

Posted by: Team Hillary! and the #NeverTrumpers at February 07, 2018 05:58 PM (H8S+R)

98 87 Nobody is going to jail, Menendez is back to his old job, business as usual.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 07, 2018 05:57 PM (6Ll1u)


As I said a few days ago, I tend to agree with this, sadly. But on a positive note, all of this criminality is out in the open, and the media is not going to be able to cover it up. Many more people now are aware of the Deep State and the corruption.

Something will change. How that happens and what happens is anyone's guess.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 05:59 PM (mbhDw)

99 Feels a little Andrew Brietbartian - Nunes Memo comes out, the Left falls all over themselves slamming it, then along comes milquetoast Grassley with the bitch-slapping.

Posted by: Motionview at February 07, 2018 06:00 PM (pYQR/)

100 92 Is there a bridge too far for the media when it comes to full on regurgitating of DNC talking points? Could the Democrats demand a media spin to which the media would say WTF?
Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at February 07, 2018 05:58 PM (eAMlh)


We crossed that Rubicon 10 clicks back.

Posted by: eleven at February 07, 2018 06:00 PM (+lOpA)

101 If I were Trump I'd summon Mueller and tell him to bring his thumbs

Posted by: x at February 07, 2018 06:00 PM (nFwvY)

102 I want to see "spunk drunk" in one of Trump's tweets.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at February 07, 2018 06:00 PM (398bZ)

103 I like the Theory that the overt criminality become so bad and widespread through taboo war profiteering schemes for nearly everybody in DC, that it has to be cleaned up. And a change of guard is needed to install confidence back into our Federal Government.

There will always be taboo war profiteering because reasons. So White Hats are trying to have a change of power without too much chaos against the Black Hats.

Posted by: Monk at February 07, 2018 06:01 PM (g4lFK)

104 >>>Of course the "recording devices" part, or the binders detail, could be false.

Binders went to Sporyshew who was not who Page gave his binders to.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - NOW WITH VIP at February 07, 2018 06:01 PM (aRDor)

105 T: "I can't wait to see how Hot Air, Bill Kristol, etc. spin this one."

I plan to spittle-fleck with reckless abandon. Harrumph! And make my smug more punchable.

Posted by: Bill Kristol at February 07, 2018 06:01 PM (H8S+R)

106 86 Show us on the doll where Russia touched you...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 07, 2018 05:57 PM (7LY+6)


Difficult on matryoshka doll...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 06:01 PM (mbhDw)

107 GP's source this time is legit.
From McClatchy,
Background on Carter Page
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article144722444.html
Toward the end of the article.

BTW, according to Wikipedia, he served as an intelligence officer for UN Peacekeeping force while in the military.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carter_Page

Hmm, smells like deep state to me.

Posted by: whig at February 07, 2018 06:01 PM (acrHV)

108
Was Mueller working for the govt when the FBI FISA apps were made?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 07, 2018 06:01 PM (r+sAi)

109 7
Have you been sipping on so much Democrat Dick you've become spunk-drunk?

Couldn't have said it any better myself.


Posted by: Shemp! at February 07, 2018 05:42 PM (Tyii7)

Pure penis poetry.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at February 07, 2018 06:01 PM (8iiMU)

110 Pissy and pissed-off ace is my favourite ace.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at February 07, 2018 06:01 PM (wEG78)

111 One cannot even give these people the benefit of doing some CYA.

They were deep in treasonous activities from the beginning and darn well knew about it.

Every single one of them needs to go to prison. And every single one of them, should they go to prison, should be thankful they weren't handed a much more severe penalty.

Posted by: Blake at February 07, 2018 06:02 PM (WEBkv)

112 the House has filibusters?

Posted by: x at February 07, 2018 06:02 PM (nFwvY)

113 I want to see "spunk drunk" in one of Trump's tweets.
...

Hates his tweets, we does , Precious.

Hateses the Tweetses, oh yes. HATE. HATE , The Tweetses.

Posted by: nevertrumpum at February 07, 2018 06:02 PM (x25VP)

114 Is there a bridge too far for the media when it comes to full on regurgitating of DNC talking points? "

Nope.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 07, 2018 06:02 PM (7LY+6)

115 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 05:51 PM (mbhDw)
---
Someone go up to Schitt & say Relax Sizzlechest

Posted by: MISHBOT at February 07, 2018 06:02 PM (y3aQB)

116 108 Was Mueller working for the govt when the FBI FISA apps were made?
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 07, 2018 06:01 PM (r+sAi)


Define "government." Our's or their's?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 06:02 PM (mbhDw)

117 mueller picked a bad day to stop huffing Sharpies

Posted by: kallisto at February 07, 2018 06:03 PM (UsFoH)

118 Home early and caught the end of 30 Seconds over Tokyo about the Doolittle Raid.

Jimmy Doolittle is one of the most remarkable of Americans, truly.

Test pilot, set speed records.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 07, 2018 06:03 PM (pV/54)

119
Director Comey stated that the FBI included the dossier allegations about Carter Page in the FISA applications because Mr. Steele himself was considered reliable due to his past work with the Bureau.



Was that past work with the Burea when he was with MI6? Because that is very different than being a free lance hired gun peddling smut for fun and profit

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at February 07, 2018 06:03 PM (lKyWE)

120 Is Allahpundit trolling us here as the yellow fruity desert dork ?

Posted by: 5/8 Mexican at February 07, 2018 06:03 PM (MoOC7)

121 I plan to spittle-fleck with reckless abandon. Harrumph! "

I didn't get a harrumph outta that guy...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 07, 2018 06:04 PM (7LY+6)

122 Creepy hands Biden opened his maw to call Trump a joke. He also said that if he were one of Trump's lawyers he would advise him not to consent to a Mueller interview as he has difficulty with precision.

Groping Joe, why don't you go back to the playroom and sharpen your pencils while the adults figure this all out, mmkay?

Posted by: Cheri at February 07, 2018 06:04 PM (oiNtH)

123 The Rosneft part of this storyline has always been one of the most ridiculous - as if anyone could seriously believe that Putin was going to hand over 19% of a major oil company worth tens of billions of dollars to anyone, in exchange for almost nothing. It's such a ludicrous claim that it destroys the credibility of the entire Dossier all by itself.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 07, 2018 06:04 PM (k1TUh)

124 117 mueller picked a bad day to stop huffing Sharpies
Posted by: kallisto at February 07, 2018 06:03 PM (UsFoH)


*recalls youth when young Sefton used to run off Momma Sefton's test on Rex-o-graph machine at home*

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 06:04 PM (mbhDw)

125 Ohhh. Okay. Apparently the official Hot Air response is that "yeah, it's not good, but all it proves is sloppiness by the court and the FBI, not actual misconduct, and also it still doesn't undermine the legitimacy of Teh Mueller Probe, which is unshakeable as ever, guys."

Posted by: T at February 07, 2018 06:04 PM (MmeCn)

126 Please charge someone so there is a chance they spill on the higher ups!

Posted by: free tibet, with purchase of equal or greater value tibet at February 07, 2018 06:05 PM (CL76w)

127 Northernlurker-Teem: "Is there a bridge too far for the media when it comes to full on regurgitating of DNC talking points?"

Remember, media = DNC. So, no, there is no bridge too far. They are synonymous. If anything, they make the arguments on behalf of the DNC (which is still to say they regurgitate themselves, so to speak).

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at February 07, 2018 06:05 PM (H8S+R)

128 This will *all* be revealed, eventually. Has to be. If only, first, to congressional oversight committees. Everything. Applications, court transcripts, internal comms related thereto (THOSE should be juicy, I assume the IG has all of that), and .... exactly how many, and who, ended up caught in the surveillance web purportedly established for Page.


But, to Weasel's lament about complex scandals, it gets worse, and we already know it. There's a pretty much entirely separate scandal involving NSA queries, outside contractors, and unmaskings, which was contemporaneous with the "Russia!" idiocy.


And just saw a clip of Atkisson on TV today - what sound like multiple senior intel types told her that the abuse of the FISA process has been serious and dates back 10 - 20 years.


So - it will keep getting worse as more as revealed.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 07, 2018 06:05 PM (QDnY+)

129 Home early and caught the end of 30 Seconds over Tokyo about the Doolittle Raid.

Jimmy Doolittle is one of the most remarkable of Americans, truly.

Test pilot, set speed records.
Aeronautical engineer, invented instrument flying.
Medal of Honor, Conceived, led and successfully executed one of the most audacious operations in military history.

No wonder MacArthur didn't want him, so that Doolittle had to serve out the rest of the war in Europe.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 07, 2018 06:06 PM (pV/54)

130 33 Carter Page corroborated parts of the Steele Dossier in his HPSCI testimony.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - NOW WITH VIP at February 07, 2018 05:47 PM (aRDor)

Holy shit, you're not Lester Holt so don't try to sell that shit here. The points we are making:

1) The FBI was tapping Carter Page back in March 2016 as an undercover informant, so there is no way in hell they were unaware of his capabilities and loyalties.

2) The actual "dossier" outlines a harebrained scheme in which Vlad Putin promised Carter Page more than half a bilion dollars- all of Russia's foreign reserve, btw- if Trump could lift sanctions.

3) Have you ever heard Carter Page talk? I wouldn't trust him to shine my shoes well.

4) The thrust of Page's testimony is that he wa scompletelt innocent of the ridiculous allegations against him.

But do go on about the corroborations. No doubt he was helpful in pointing out there is a country called Russia.

Posted by: trev006 at February 07, 2018 06:06 PM (j3MuL)

131 Pelosi has been talking non stop for 7 hours. I don't know how any republican can sit there and listen to her.
Posted by: IC at February 07, 2018 05:58 PM (a0IVu)

What does that sound like?

"So Mable told me, told me that the rutabagas had gone bad, and we, we decided that Esther would have to go back Charlie's farm, you know, out near the place where the Texaco station was...no not that one, the one with the colored fella who was always so nice, and anyway, where was I? Oh yeah, Esther, she didn't want to go, what with her bad hip and all, but we need rutabagas to stuff into our pillow cases so we can, uh, understand the marshmallow cookies in the back forty purple manure floppy flowers...I smell bread."

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Fourth Earl of Reltney at February 07, 2018 06:06 PM (xPJvm)

132 Well, that certainly looks like a lot of words.

Posted by: josephistan at February 07, 2018 06:06 PM (ANIFC)

133 the House has filibusters?"

Back in Vic's younger days.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 07, 2018 06:06 PM (7LY+6)

134 125 Ohhh. Okay. Apparently the official Hot Air response is that "yeah, it's not good, but all it proves is sloppiness by the court and the FBI, not actual misconduct, and also it still doesn't undermine the legitimacy of Teh Mueller Probe, which is unshakeable as ever, guys."

Posted by: T at February 07, 2018 06:04 PM (MmeCn)


Hot Air is a complete joke. Best to avoid.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 06:06 PM (mbhDw)

135 I heard tell that Barack Mugabe's name came up today.

Things that make you go mmmmmmm.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 07, 2018 06:07 PM (EoRCO)

136 It's like worse than hitler for Grasserly to apply the GOP-law-standard to a democrat.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 07, 2018 06:07 PM (V3U1L)

137 127: Yes, I think Rush sometimes says the FNM is leading the DNC, not the reverse. He may also say that he used to believe it was the other way around in the past I cant recall.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at February 07, 2018 06:07 PM (eASYU)

138 Difficult on matryoshka doll...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 06:01 PM (mbhDw)

In Russia doll touch you!

Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at February 07, 2018 06:07 PM (hMwEB)

139 Collusion is not a crime.

Grand Inquisitor Mueller had better start spouting some "18 USC..." to explain the initiation and continuance of his meandering shit-rodeo.

Posted by: B at February 07, 2018 06:07 PM (x25VP)

140 What is that old saying?

If you shoot at the king, you better not miss?

It has been slow motion, but they fucked up so bad that the only chance of getting away with it was having Hillary win. When she didn't, their fate was sealed.

The could have limited the damage by coming clean and hoping Trump would let them just leave with the new administration. But no, in their arrogance they actually thought they could pull off a coup.

Really just wishcasting, they couldn't believe that if they dug enough that they couldn't find something to trigger impeachment.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at February 07, 2018 06:07 PM (DB+mR)

141 and, in the meantime, the question has to be asked "WHAT THE FUCK IS MUELLER DOING"

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 07, 2018 06:07 PM (V3U1L)

142 JJ, remember when the first thing that you did when the papers in school got passed back to you was to smell it?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 07, 2018 06:07 PM (6Ll1u)

143 https://t.co/oWMKJlrEBG
It's no flaming Toto skull, but The Daily Mail's mummified dog in a tree trunk is nightmarish,

Posted by: Captain Hammer's groupies at February 07, 2018 06:08 PM (At5sP)

144 When men were men and commies were scared.

Posted by: Shemp! at February 07, 2018 06:08 PM (Tyii7)

145 it's like FitzFong continuing to investigate plamegate when, after day one, they knew who "leaked" her name, and why, and to whom.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 07, 2018 06:08 PM (V3U1L)

146 Yep, rhomboid. Gonna get much worse.

RICO.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at February 07, 2018 06:08 PM (89T5c)

147 HotAir, the Salon hot 25, and Billi Kristol all say "SHUT UP!"

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at February 07, 2018 06:08 PM (3BFzK)

148 An honorable FISA judge would have, by now, ripped the whole lot of them a new asshole. But, then, I've been accused of being Victorian in my values.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc at February 07, 2018 06:08 PM (c/EDo)

149 >>and, in the meantime, the question has to be asked "WHAT THE FUCK IS MUELLER DOING"

Maybe not what it seems.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 07, 2018 06:09 PM (/tuJf)

150 And as if on cue, benighted spunk guzzler appears.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 07, 2018 06:09 PM (NWiLs)

151 Nice Smith era Strat, there.

Posted by: garrett at February 07, 2018 06:09 PM (ZWdwN)

152 Rex-o-graph machine at home"

Ditto.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 07, 2018 06:09 PM (7LY+6)

153 A sitting president personally conducted the wiretapping of an opposition candidate through the FBI (and potentially other federal agencies).

There has never been a bigger political scandal in American history.

Posted by: 18-1 at February 07, 2018 06:09 PM (Z8FFX)

154 Deplorable Male Logic: "Was that past work with the Burea when he was with MI6?"

Yeah, MI6 might want to revisit everything Steele touched when he was with them. Kinda think there might be a trail of sh*t they've been stepping in and tracking through the halls.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at February 07, 2018 06:09 PM (H8S+R)

155 isn't it also kinda damning that this one application is the only one the fisa court denied?

they prob should have denied with prejudice. "how dare you spy on a presidential candidate?"

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 07, 2018 06:09 PM (V3U1L)

156 Avenge me!

Posted by: Commenter at February 07, 2018 06:09 PM (wEG78)

157 Carter Page was a hot fuck and I let him do butt stuff to me.

Posted by: Winona Ryder at February 07, 2018 06:09 PM (3BFzK)

158 87 Nobody is going to jail, Menendez is back to his old job, business as usual.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 07, 2018 05:57 PM (6Ll1u)
----------

As I said a few days ago, I tend to agree with this, sadly. But on a positive note, all of this criminality is out in the open,...
****************

We will write the history and teach your children.
Your children and grandchildren will look at you and call you liar.

What you see is not history it is tinder for our kindling.

Posted by: Live at Five at February 07, 2018 06:09 PM (mMMjw)

159 g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at February 07, 2018 06:10 PM (KCxzN)

160 140 Posted by: Dave in Fla at February 07, 2018 06:07 PM (DB+mR)


DC is infected with a cancer, and it's the Deep State. Along with trials and convictions with real hard sentences, whole agencies need to be abolished or restructured/decentralized in such a way that this crap cannot happen again.

Sadly, I don't see it happening although I am glad that this crap is coming to light.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 06:10 PM (mbhDw)

161
Mollie Hemingway: The Grassley/Graham Memo is Even More Damaging Than the Nunes Memo, and Obliterates Many of the Progressives' and NeverTrumpers' Key Wishcasting Defenses of the FISA Application


They've learned from Breitbart and O'Keefe.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 07, 2018 06:10 PM (oVJmc)

162 Good post, girthy Mr. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCuEmhujwOI (Formerly known as Ace)

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 07, 2018 06:10 PM (xJa6I)

163 Maybe not what it seems.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 07, 2018 06:09 PM (/tuJf)

I thought you were Pollyannainsh to the point of insanity before. Now I am not sure. If I was Mueller I'd be selling off assets and making plans for fleeing to Berlin.

Posted by: trev006 at February 07, 2018 06:11 PM (j3MuL)

164 despite this farce having gone on for 18 months now, and Adam Schiff and various Deep State operatives leaking like sieves, this magical hypothetical "stronger evidence we just don't know about" did something no actual evidence in this case heretofore managed: It stayed out of the press, somehow.

THIS. This right here. Those 48 words up there. THAT.

And so far, the "indictments" that Bob Mueller, your State Farm Agent has generated have been, how you say, bullshit process stuff that is as related to Putin and Trump's plot to shiv us all with a T-34 as I am to that dude with the hair on Ancient Aliens.

If there were allthisevidencewewhatusbumpkinsdon'tknow, why would the special counsel need to question ANYONE???? Do you question the Gambinos or El Chapo or Bernie Effing Madoff before the indictment? NO.

I would add one more thing to Ace's probative statement about no probative anything in this episode: For any of it to hold water, Mike Pence, Joe Mattis, Steve Mnuchin, Jeff Sessions, Rex Tillerson, and John Kelly have to be in on it. And none of THAT has leaked. It is time for this attempted coup to end.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 07, 2018 06:11 PM (p8Rx3)

165 But Buryakov was expelled as a NOC agent. Leakage at the time could be wrong, but it said recording devices in binders were the key. And Page said he was a "witness" to it all.


It's not really pertinent, and my point was that Page does not clarify very much when he opens his mouth, and has the most insouciant reaction to being accused of espionage for a foreign power that I've ever seen. It's all odd.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 07, 2018 06:11 PM (QDnY+)

166 NY lawmakers:Make Tide Pods less appetizing

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/288059/

Posted by: steevy at February 07, 2018 06:11 PM (LiyEm)

167 Maybe not what it seems.
Posted by: JackStraw
----------
going through everything every trumpian has said or done to find one of the 17 crimes a day every American commits? so as to do the squeeze on them?

that's kewl. But did he spend a minute invesitgatin' the podesta emails or whatever the fuck it is we're supposed top pretend the russians did?

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 07, 2018 06:11 PM (V3U1L)

168 131 Pelosi has been talking non stop for 7 hours. I don't know how any republican can sit there and listen to her.
Posted by: IC at February 07, 2018 05:58 PM (a0IVu)

What does that sound like?

"So Mable told me, told me that the rutabagas had gone bad, and we, we decided that Esther would have to go back Charlie's farm, you know, out near the place where the Texaco station was...no not that one, the one with the colored fella who was always so nice, and anyway, where was I? Oh yeah, Esther, she didn't want to go, what with her bad hip and all, but we need rutabagas to stuff into our pillow cases so we can, uh, understand the marshmallow cookies in the back forty purple manure floppy flowers...I smell bread."
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Fourth Earl of Reltney at February 07, 2018 06:06 PM (xPJvm)

"That reminds me of the time the time I caught the ferry to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for m'shoe. So I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. "Gimme five bees for a quarter," you'd say. Now where were we... oh yeah. The important thing was that I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. I didn't have any white onions, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones..."

Posted by: josephistan at February 07, 2018 06:11 PM (ANIFC)

169 Carter Page was a hot fuck and I let him do butt stuff to me.

Posted by: Winona Ryder at February 07, 2018 06:09 PM


Sorry you old hag, but no excuse. Go bowling 10 miles from your home, rub some dirt in it, and walk it off.

Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at February 07, 2018 06:12 PM (2FqvZ)

170 A sitting president personally conducted the wiretapping of an opposition candidate through the FBI (and potentially other federal agencies).

And then, when said candidate won, unmasked surveilled citizens and distributed the information throughout numerous personnel for distribution against the new sitting President.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 07, 2018 06:12 PM (oVJmc)

171 It must be nice to be a high level Fed lawyer. He's getting paid mad money to do nothing.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 07, 2018 06:12 PM (V3U1L)

172 Man, I bet blacks across the country are going to be so up in arms over this whole manufacturing evidence thing.

Any minute now...

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football Forever at February 07, 2018 06:12 PM (ks6bw)

173 140 What is that old saying?

If you shoot at the king, you better not miss?

It has been slow motion, but they fucked up so bad that the only chance of getting away with it was having Hillary win. When she didn't, their fate was sealed.

The could have limited the damage by coming clean and hoping Trump would let them just leave with the new administration. But no, in their arrogance they actually thought they could pull off a coup.

Really just wishcasting, they couldn't believe that if they dug enough that they couldn't find something to trigger impeachment.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at February 07, 2018 06:07 PM (DB+mR)

This is why I fully expect +25% fraud or more to give the Dims the House and tilt the Senate.

The GOPe is doing nothing to fight against the obvious fraud that has taken place in these special elections.

Posted by: Monk at February 07, 2018 06:12 PM (g4lFK)

174 >>I thought you were Pollyannainsh to the point of insanity before. Now I am not sure. If I was Mueller I'd be selling off assets and making plans for fleeing to Berlin.

This is going to get so much better. This is nothing.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 07, 2018 06:13 PM (/tuJf)

175 wow, i didn't know pelosi could stay awake for 7 hours.

all this for the illegals.

I hope the GOPe wants to win in 2018 and starts using this stuff as ammo.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 07, 2018 06:13 PM (V3U1L)

176 NY lawmakers:Make Tide Pods less appetizing

We're well and truly doomed.

Posted by: Notorious BotFD at February 07, 2018 06:13 PM (Tyii7)

177 Collusion is not a crime.
***
I believe the goal is to get a process crime in place, just like with Scooter Libby.

"Colluding with Russia" isn't a crime, but perjury is. And Mueller wants to get Trump to testify...under oath...which opens him up to perjury.

So, if Trump went to a party where the Russian Ambassador was also in 2006 and Trump forgets...perjury.

Posted by: 18-1 at February 07, 2018 06:13 PM (Z8FFX)

178 zibbly reminded me of another thing that obviously must be released for everyone to judge themselves - the first application that was rejected, to see how it differed from subsequent ones.




Posted by: rhomboid at February 07, 2018 06:13 PM (QDnY+)

179 153 A sitting president personally conducted the wiretapping of an opposition candidate through the FBI (and potentially other federal agencies).

There has never been a bigger political scandal in American history.
Posted by: 18-1 at February 07, 2018 06:09 PM (Z8FFX)


I'd actually be surprised if it never happened before.
I wouldn't hold my breath looking for criminal convictions, BTW. But that's just me.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 07, 2018 06:13 PM (CPk08)

180 Dave in Fla: "Really just wishcasting, they couldn't believe that if they dug enough that they couldn't find something to trigger impeachment."

This.

For all the spectacle of Trump, they haven't found anything on the guy. It's quite incredible.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at February 07, 2018 06:13 PM (H8S+R)

181 Obama insider David Plouffe was quoted in The Times in summer 2016 to the effect that the likes of Trump could never be allowed to rise again. At that point, they were certain that Hillary would win (Pussygate would make sure of that!). So what was Plouffe really saying.

They were doing the spying to find something criminal to fry Trump with after Hillary won. As a message to anyone outside the closed, rigged system to not even think of running.

Nice life you have there, be a shame if something happened to it.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 07, 2018 06:13 PM (pV/54)

182 No, no, NO! National security! The hookers! The urination for God's sake! The streams of piss in Moscow! In Moscow!

*wiggles fingers*

nerdle erdle erdle erdle erdle erdle

Posted by: Never-Trumper accusing YOU of being a retarded lunatic at February 07, 2018 06:14 PM (jh+j6)

183 >>Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. "Gimme five bees for a quarter," you'd say. Now where were we...



that's a paddlin'.

Posted by: Jasper at February 07, 2018 06:14 PM (ZWdwN)

184 >>And just saw a clip of Atkisson on TV today - what sound like multiple senior intel types told her that the abuse of the FISA process has been serious and dates back 10 - 20 years.


Whoa, 10-20 years?

So possibly before 9/11 and in the years following when everyone was all freaked about the Patriot Act giving the feds the ability to view their freakin' library history?

How would this not be leaked under Bush? There were several yuge leaks about Bush's anti-terror surveillance programs, even the papers tracking plans to ID rendition activities, the identities of terrorist interrogators - but this wasn't leaked?

Maybe because the Bush WH wasn't involved, or that it didn't kick into high gear until January 2009?

Posted by: Lizzy at February 07, 2018 06:14 PM (W+vEI)

185 josephistan at February 07, 2018 06:11 PM (ANIFC)

=======

Shit like that is why I love this place.

Posted by: Winona Ryder at February 07, 2018 06:14 PM (3BFzK)

186 177 Collusion is not a crime.
***
I believe the goal is to get a process crime in place, just like with Scooter Libby.

I agree. That's all they've got, and they've known all along that's all they've got.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 07, 2018 06:14 PM (NWiLs)

187 wow, i didn't know pelosi could stay awake for 7 hours

Why, that's inhumane!

Posted by: Jeff SezZzions at February 07, 2018 06:14 PM (Tyii7)

188 You know, I read Deep State as Derp State and that's what I'm going to use now.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Shivering whilst hopping all around. at February 07, 2018 06:15 PM (dEQP3)

189 I recall reading a transcript which was released, from surveillance on two known Russian operatives discussing Carter Page. Their conclusion, which they both agreed on and laughed about, was that Carter Page was too stupid to ever be considered an intelligence asset for anyone.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 07, 2018 06:15 PM (k1TUh)

190 >>i didn't know pelosi could stay awake for 7 hours.



Her depends must be nearing critical mass.

Posted by: garrett at February 07, 2018 06:16 PM (ZWdwN)

191 For all the ranting and raving about "Trump Can't Win!" and assorted "He makes me SICK!" comments over the last couple of years...

For all the spectacle of Trump, they haven't found anything on the guy. It's quite incredible.


Cleaner than McCain. Cleaner than Mitt.

Hell , he's cleaner than W.

Posted by: B at February 07, 2018 06:16 PM (x25VP)

192 190 >>i didn't know pelosi could stay awake for 7 hours.



Her depends must be nearing critical mass.
Posted by: garrett at February 07, 2018 06:16 PM (ZWdwN)

She changes them once a week whether she needs to or not.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 07, 2018 06:16 PM (NWiLs)

193 181 Posted by: Ignoramus at February 07, 2018 06:13 PM (pV/54)


And that was the reason for all of this. They will not be denied their right and power to choose who among them will run this country; that is, who will be seen as the illusory "people's choice."

Trump is a mortal threat to their power and the plot against him was to utterly destroy him even if he lost so as to dissuade any outsider from ever attempting to try and do what he did.

And beyond their failure to take him out, Trump must not fail in utterly vanquishing them and not leaving any vestige of their power structure.

How he does that I have no idea.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 06:16 PM (mbhDw)

194 A sitting president personally conducted the wiretapping of an opposition candidate through the FBI (and potentially other federal agencies).

-

50 years from now people will be trying to figure out how to insist he was a (D) for his first year and an (R) for all the rest.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football Forever at February 07, 2018 06:17 PM (ks6bw)

195 Her depends must be nearing critical mass.
Posted by: garrett at February 07, 2018 06:16 PM (ZWdwN)

"MY DEPENDS HAS LOST CONTAINMENT!!"

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Fourth Earl of Reltney at February 07, 2018 06:17 PM (xPJvm)

196
I don't know that mueller is going to investigate anything his butt buddy comey has done, but he sure seems to think maybe he gave flynn a bad rap.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 07, 2018 06:17 PM (r+sAi)

197 Jesus... and still no post about Carter Page being a FUCKING UNDERCOVER FBI "EMPLOYEE"...

Come-on Ace... It's all over the right-wing blogosphere... Please make a post on this... It's looking more and more legit as time goes on and new details are emerging, such as the fact that Carter Page worked for the Clinton's back in 92 and then went on to work in the Pentagon.

"Carter Page previously worked with the Clinton Administration transition team in 1992-1993 while serving as a Research Fellow on the House Armed Services Committee (HASC) on Capitol Hill. During his Fellowship, HASC Chairman Les Aspin was selected by President Clinton as the Secretary of Defense in December 1992. From May 1993 - December 1994, Carter went on to serve as the Arms Control Action Officer for Counterproliferation Policy in the Nuclear Affairs and International Negotiations Branch of the Navy Staff in the Pentagon."

The guy was and still is a fucking spook, and the FBI purposefully panted him on the Trump campaign in an effort to not only create the "shady Russia" connection they needed for a FISA warrant, but also to pro-actively try and ENTRAP Trump by tasking Page with trying to set-up meetings with Russian agents so that they could then hold that up as evidence of Russia collusion. The same way they tried when they ambushed DTJr with the Natalia Veselnitskaya under false pretenses.

THIS, event more than the Dossier, SHOWS that this entire farce was a coordinated OP from the very beginning, and it needs to be trumpted from the rooftops. This is the smoking gun that takes it from criminal to straight-up treasonous.

Posted by: I smell something rotten at February 07, 2018 06:17 PM (iWzUm)

198 Monk,
The RNC was under court order to not engage in ballot security measures for over 30 yrs. https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/09/rnc-ballot-security-consent-decree-328995

That order just ended in January 2018.

Posted by: whig at February 07, 2018 06:18 PM (acrHV)

199 In the end, Obama, Hillary, Mueller, the entire deep state and the Fake News Media (birm,birm,birm,...) are going to wish they had just left Trump alone.

But.

They.

Just.

Can't.

Help.

Themselves!

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at February 07, 2018 06:18 PM (3BFzK)

200 Trump is cleaner than Mitt Romney.

Fapfapfapfapfap

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football Forever at February 07, 2018 06:18 PM (ks6bw)

201 yeah, the conflict of interests. Rosenstein did good.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 07, 2018 06:19 PM (V3U1L)

202 Her depends must be nearing critical mass.

Posted by: garrett at February 07, 2018 06:16 PM


five bees gets you a quarter that she went the Abortion Barbie route & has a catheter

Posted by: AltonJackson at February 07, 2018 06:19 PM (KCxzN)

203 If Shep gets pulled over for erratic driving, and the cop smells spunk on his breath, and administers a breathalyzer test... what is the legal limit bloob-spunk level for being arrested for spunk-drunk driving?

Posted by: davidt at February 07, 2018 06:19 PM (kyG8i)

204 President Trump has stood like the Rock of Gibraltar for the hordes of progressives to dash themselves against.

There ought to be a monument to him erected somewhere.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 07, 2018 06:19 PM (EoRCO)

205 Lizzy, dunno (of course). Of course the key disastrous leaks after 9/11 were never seriously investigated (an outrage and scandal in itself). Bush failure, an important one. Nor was anything done to raise the profile of the irresponsible behavior - like revoking NYT WH credentials after their cretinous publisher and airhead editor rejected direct pleas.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 07, 2018 06:19 PM (QDnY+)

206 this is all kinda worthless until trump finds a good dependable special prosecutor II..

I mean, rudy and Christie are tanned, rested and ready.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 07, 2018 06:20 PM (V3U1L)

207 I can haz president now?

Posted by: Hillary at February 07, 2018 06:20 PM (b47z7)

208 >>>Make Tide Pods less appetizing

if you think they're edible, thank a teacher.

Posted by: x at February 07, 2018 06:20 PM (nFwvY)

209 >>There ought to be a monument to him erected somewhere.

My schadenboner is fairly erect at the moment.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 07, 2018 06:20 PM (/tuJf)

210 129 Home early and caught the end of 30 Seconds over Tokyo about the Doolittle Raid.

Jimmy Doolittle is one of the most remarkable of Americans, truly.

Test pilot, set speed records.
Aeronautical engineer, invented instrument flying.
Medal of Honor, Conceived, led and successfully executed one of the most audacious operations in military history.

No wonder MacArthur didn't want him, so that Doolittle had to serve out the rest of the war in Europe.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 07, 2018 06:06 PM (pV/54)

I read Target Tokyo, Dolittle also before the war engineered fuel for aircraft to make the planes have less problems, run better and have more output. I guess before their really wasn't a air plane fuel.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at February 07, 2018 06:20 PM (dKiJG)

211 195 Her depends must be nearing critical mass.
Posted by: garrett at February 07, 2018 06:16 PM (ZWdwN)

"MY DEPENDS HAS LOST CONTAINMENT!!"
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Fourth Earl of Reltney at February 07, 2018 06:17 PM (xPJvm)


The center can not hold.

Posted by: eleven at February 07, 2018 06:20 PM (+lOpA)

212 To really get the level of farce here...

We now know that Hillary Clinton, through Fusion GPS colluded with Russian interests to acquire evidence that Trump was colluding with Russian interests when he asked Russia to release the emails they were widely believe to have gotten from Hillary Clinton through her use of a illegal hidden server.

Posted by: 18-1 at February 07, 2018 06:21 PM (Z8FFX)

213 "If Shep gets pulled over for erratic driving, and
the cop smells spunk on his breath, and administers a breathalyzer
test... what is the legal limit bloob-spunk level for being arrested for
spunk-drunk driving?


Posted by: davidt at February 07, 2018 06:19 PM (kyG8i)"
=======

Little known federal law, you can drive with over a .5% Blood Spunk level.
What gets you in trouble is the spunk vision test they can give you.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at February 07, 2018 06:21 PM (3BFzK)

214 >>>188 You know, I read Deep State as Derp State and that's what I'm going to use now.

hah, i will too!

Posted by: ace at February 07, 2018 06:22 PM (8rNrN)

215 Her depends must be nearing critical mass.
Posted by: garrett at February 07, 2018 06:16 PM (ZWdwN)

She changes them once a week whether she needs to or not.
Posted by: Insomniac at February 07, 2018 06:16 PM (NWiLs)

She's gonna blow cap'n.

Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at February 07, 2018 06:22 PM (eAMlh)

216 211 195 Her depends must be nearing critical mass.
Posted by: garrett at February 07, 2018 06:16 PM (ZWdwN)

"MY DEPENDS HAS LOST CONTAINMENT!!"
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Fourth Earl of Reltney at February 07, 2018 06:17 PM (xPJvm)

The center can not hold.
Posted by: eleven at February 07, 2018 06:20 PM (+lOpA)



I'd be more worried about the edges.

Posted by: buzzion at February 07, 2018 06:22 PM (lKs2v)

217 So cute when depressives get passive aggressive. Bush league stuff, man!! Laughable!! HA!!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - NOW WITH VIP at February 07, 2018 06:22 PM (aRDor)

218 And beyond their failure to take him out, Trump must not fail in utterly vanquishing them and not leaving any vestige of their power structure.

How he does that I have no idea.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 06:16 PM (mbhDw)
****************

Catch me if you can.

Posted by: I Own the Law at February 07, 2018 06:22 PM (mMMjw)

219 198 Monk,
The RNC was under court order to not engage in ballot security measures for over 30 yrs. https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/09/rnc-ballot-security-consent-decree-328995

That order just ended in January 2018.
Posted by: whig at February 07, 2018 06:18 PM (acrHV)

You just activated my almonds.

Posted by: Monk at February 07, 2018 06:23 PM (g4lFK)

220 Re 189 Tom,
Finishing in the top ten percent of his 1993 class at Annapolis indicates that Carter must not be too stupid as well as his apparent CFR fellowship later if wikipedia is correct.

Posted by: whig at February 07, 2018 06:23 PM (acrHV)

221 Posted by: garrett at February 07, 2018 06:16 PM (ZWdwN)

"MY DEPENDS HAS LOST CONTAINMENT!!"
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Fourth Earl of Reltney at February 07, 2018 06:17 PM (xPJvm)

The center can not hold.
Posted by: eleven at February 07, 2018 06:20 PM (+lOpA)


I'd be more worried about the edges.
Posted by: buzzion at February 07, 2018 06:22 PM (lKs2v)

More leaks are inevitable.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 07, 2018 06:23 PM (NWiLs)

222 >>>esus... and still no post about Carter Page being a FUCKING UNDERCOVER FBI "EMPLOYEE"...

Come-on Ace... It's all over the right-wing blogosphere... Please make a post on this... It's looking more and more legit as time goes on and new details are emerging, such as the fact that Carter Page worked for the Clinton's back in 92 and then went on to work in the Pentagon.

...

if it's at GP and that kind of blog, no thanks, they post a lot of stuff that is not well evidenced.

Posted by: ace at February 07, 2018 06:23 PM (8rNrN)

223 "yes, you can now see why officers of the court sometimes perpetrate frauds on the court.
It's the same reason any unethical litigant conceals material information from the court:
Because they know the truth would hurt them.
So they lie."

right, and for the FISC especially, where they are supposedly catching foreign spies, and masking any Americans that get caught up in it. AND the Americans being abused have no recourse, no voice at the court. (there is a Latin phrase for this too, meaning something like "only one side")

So it is not a prosecutor trying to win a case, there is a higher duty to present all sides. And our dear FBI has a tradition of framing and abusing innocents to get what they want, and they now brazenly threaten the president and congress.

Mueller especially is a dog on this ... using dogs to prosecute the wrong man (who later got $7M or so for Mueller's harm) and Mueller never apologized, said he did nothing wrong ... arrogant jerk still claiming to be a saint. (that story is from Levin) They need prison, or the nation is lost.

Posted by: illiniwek at February 07, 2018 06:23 PM (bT8Z4)

224 We now know that Hillary Clinton, through Fusion GPS colluded with Russian interests to acquire evidence that Trump was colluding with Russian interests when he asked Russia to release the emails they were widely believe to have gotten from Hillary Clinton through her use of a illegal hidden server.
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wow...it's almost as if hillary's incessant whining about collusion ended up showing her collusion.

I just wish there were some sort of means to disseminate this info...instead of Gowdy praising mueller.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 07, 2018 06:23 PM (V3U1L)

225 When men were men and commies were scared.
Posted by: Shemp!
--------

I haven't posted this quote from Mickey Spillanes's 'One Lonely Night' in months, but here it is again:

"I killed more people tonight than I have fingers on my hand. I shot them in cold blood and enjoyed every minute of it. I pumped slugs in the nastiest bunch of bastards you ever saw and here I am calmer than I’ve ever been, and happy too. They were Communists, Lee. They were red sons of bitches who should have died long ago…"

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc at February 07, 2018 06:24 PM (nBBdT)

226 >>>Finishing in the top ten percent of his 1993 class at Annapolis indicates that Carter must not be too stupid as well as his apparent CFR fellowship later if wikipedia is correct.

Book smarts are not the same as common sense or good judgment.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - NOW WITH VIP at February 07, 2018 06:24 PM (aRDor)

227 What exactly do the Dems say the Russians did to affect the election?
Feed Hillary vodka?
I honestly don't understand.

Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at February 07, 2018 06:24 PM (eAMlh)

228 never gets old, Mr.Hammer

Posted by: AltonJackson at February 07, 2018 06:24 PM (KCxzN)

229 219 198 Monk,
The RNC was under court order to not engage in ballot security measures for over 30 yrs.
That order just ended in January 2018.
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back when GOPe let the alinsky's dictate policy...up until a week ago. hmm. sad.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 07, 2018 06:25 PM (V3U1L)

230 I actually have a group of a kind and we help keep each other both amped up but not going too far.

I will ask that gang about this Gateway Pundit stuff and see what they say.

Posted by: ace at February 07, 2018 06:25 PM (8rNrN)

231 >>if it's at GP and that kind of blog, no thanks, they post a lot of stuff that is not well evidenced.


But, do they DoublePost it?

Posted by: garrett at February 07, 2018 06:25 PM (ZWdwN)

232 Page's background really doesn't matter - except to make the rubble bounce, in terms of the silliness of the "evidence" for a FISA warrant.


There was, apparently, NO verified information provided to the FISC to get a warrant for Page. THAT is all that matters. Misrepresenting their information to the court by the agencies is all that matters.


He's who he appears to be, he's a "deep state" intel "plant" - doesn't affect the little problem the DOJ/FBI have at the FISC. Irrelevant. Even if he *were* an intel operative for the US, wouldn't matter. He was presented as a suspect for espionage for someone else - without evidence, and apparently with major violations of proper procedure. That's where the criminal liability lies.



Posted by: rhomboid at February 07, 2018 06:25 PM (QDnY+)

233 So cute when attention deprived assholes act like assholes to get attention. Cute, or pathetic.

Posted by: A. Fredo Pundit at February 07, 2018 06:25 PM (SkuXa)

234 219, that original consent decree based on a NJ lawsuit had a retired senior status judge who stayed on hearing the case until this year. He purposefully did that and refused RNC petitions to end the case. Guess he finally retired, retired and let a new judge handle it who finally ended it.

Posted by: whig at February 07, 2018 06:25 PM (acrHV)

235 If Hillary is the world's smartest woman, women ain't none too smart.

Runs as fast as he can but you know it is true.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at February 07, 2018 06:25 PM (3BFzK)

236 We need a cleanup. Someone's spraying more shit than an EPA employee in an office hallway.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 07, 2018 06:26 PM (NWiLs)

237 232 Page's background really doesn't matter - except to make the rubble bounce, in terms of the silliness of the "evidence" for a FISA warrant.
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right. he ain't in jail...is he?

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 07, 2018 06:26 PM (V3U1L)

238 re: mickey spillaine

is this the opening that has the good stuff about the driving rain?

does it go, "No one ever walked through the rain on a night like tonight" or something?

Posted by: ace at February 07, 2018 06:26 PM (8rNrN)

239 >> Of course the key disastrous leaks after 9/11 were never seriously investigated...


Yeah, the whole thing was unbelievable. We were attacked on 9/11, so Bush and our IC come up with ways to ID terrorists and partner with other countries to share info, and then...a$$holes in FBI(?) decide to leak it all to the press because they hate Bush, and at least to me, they and the Dems/MSM want another 9/11 so they can sink Bush with it (or at minimum, scare people about his surveillance programs, gin up ACLU, etc.).

I can see them creating this capability in the years immediately after 9/11, but I just don't see it being unleashed until Obama simply because everyone was fighting every avenue of terror attack prevention pursued by Bush.

Even after Obama got in office one of the 1st things he did was have Holder release the Bush-era enhanced interrogation memos.

I bet they discovered the FISA query capabilities and immediately started using it, granting their friends access to it.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 07, 2018 06:26 PM (W+vEI)

240 "yes, you can now see why officers of the court sometimes perpetrate frauds on the court.
It's the same reason any unethical litigant conceals material information from the court:
Because they know the truth would hurt them.
So they lie."

Hey. Hey, hey, Lannie Davis was on Hannity today saying the very most important thing to do is to tell the truth.

Posted by: I Own the Law at February 07, 2018 06:27 PM (mMMjw)

241 So much will be revealed in the next few months. Trump will make it a point in the 2018 mid-terms with a mandate for change.

In the affected agencies, I'd fire every lifer above a certain pay grade.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 07, 2018 06:27 PM (pV/54)

242 There can't possibly be enough blood flowing through Schiff's scrawny neck to feed his brain.

Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at February 07, 2018 06:27 PM (eAMlh)

243 3, despite this farce having gone on for 18 months now,

It's like the Valerie Plame bullshit all over again ... except this time it's far worse crimes committed by the prosecutor (and all else involved). Everyone knows it's total bullshit (and have known from the start) but on it goes ...

I can't wait for the GQ covers and movies to start coming out about this in a few years. Naomi Watts can play Robert Mueller this time.

I want to see some treason charges brought at the end of all this. I'm sure I'll be disappointed but those are the only reasonable conclusions that this can have. And they have to go all the way up to Barky, as he was the real center and instigator of the treasonous Ameria-hating feral government of all those years.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 07, 2018 06:28 PM (8gDQu)

244 182 No, no, NO! National security! The hookers! The urination for God's sake! The streams of piss in Moscow! In Moscow!

*wiggles fingers*

nerdle erdle erdle erdle erdle erdle
Posted by: Never-Trumper accusing YOU of being a retarded lunatic at February 07, 2018 06:14 PM (jh+j6)

Is this the argle bargle argle bargle ?

Posted by: Monk at February 07, 2018 06:28 PM (g4lFK)

245 230 I actually have a group of a kind and we help keep each other both amped up but not going too far.

I will ask that gang about this Gateway Pundit stuff and see what they say.
Posted by: ace at February 07, 2018 06:25 PM (8rNrN)

So you are 'hype men' for each other?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 07, 2018 06:28 PM (2iZKp)

246 if it's at GP and that kind of blog, no thanks, they post a lot of stuff that is not well evidenced.
Posted by: ace at February 07, 2018 06:23 PM (8rNrN)

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It's at Conservative Tree House.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at February 07, 2018 06:28 PM (jh+j6)

247 Is this the argle bargle argle bargle ?
Posted by: Monk at February 07, 2018 06:28 PM (g4lFK)

Ahh MUDs. That takes me back.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 07, 2018 06:29 PM (2iZKp)

248 Yay! I managed to read the whole post before someone called NOOD.

Posted by: rickl at February 07, 2018 06:29 PM (sdi6R)

249 In my mind the dims/fusion gps bullshit used against the potus is only the tip of the iceberg. How many other GOP and gope candidates were taken out. Was were there any other shenanigans to say bribe a chief justice were there senate or house races that were derailed. Look at the shit that happened in Wisconsin, The IRS and the Tea party. The dims got over confident and assumed they would have cover (they did and still do) by the MSM. RICO the whole damn party gope/dims, all of it burn this shit down.

Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at February 07, 2018 06:29 PM (0OmEj)

250 Next Question, Why did they need a FISA warrant at all? Page was CI, a stooge, he would have worn a wire. Why did they need a warrant, other than to gather wiretap on the rest of Trump Tower?

Posted by: Jean at February 07, 2018 06:30 PM (25eQd)

251 Home early and caught the end of 30 Seconds over Tokyo about the Doolittle Raid.
--------

When I saw that, I glanced up at the bookshelf, where resides the copy of "Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo", which my dad gave when I was about 10 years old.

My dad was a primary training flight instructor during in the war. He loved flying, and had his own hall of heroes.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc at February 07, 2018 06:30 PM (cp1if)

252 Big Bear Bald Eagle nest baby watch, let's hope winter doesn't suddenly show up.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 07, 2018 06:30 PM (6Ll1u)

253 >>So you are 'hype men' for each other?


COME WIT IT NOW!

Posted by: garrett at February 07, 2018 06:30 PM (ZWdwN)

254 rhomboid,
Carter Page was simply a pretext for the FISA warrant, I agree. The real scandal is the continuing of the FISA warrant using him as justification after he was out of the Trump world by Sept. 2016. The FBI also had curious amnesia in informing the FISA court of Page's role in helping catch a Russian spy.

However, his volunteering for the Trump campaign could have been a Clinton attempt to get someone in the Trump campaign and his whole trip to Russia would have been designed to fit the Russia, Russia, Russia hysteria promoted by the Clintons in the 2016 campaign.

Posted by: whig at February 07, 2018 06:30 PM (acrHV)

255 Today I have signed an executive order that outlaws any government workers above GS10. This order is effective tonight. Security forces have been ordered to remove all personal belongings and put them on the street. The locks have been rekeyed and all passwords have been deleted.

Posted by: LGE Trump the Merciful at February 07, 2018 06:30 PM (3BFzK)

256 The FISA judge, is he still alive?

Posted by: davidt at February 07, 2018 06:30 PM (kyG8i)

257 33 Carter Page corroborated parts of the Steele Dossier in his HPSCI testimony.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - NOW WITH VIP at February 07, 2018 05:47 PM (aRDor)

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Don't keep us in suspense, what parts did he corroborate?

Posted by: MAGA at February 07, 2018 06:30 PM (qJjJ4)

258 Why did they need a warrant, other than to gather wiretap on the rest of Trump Tower?
Posted by: Jean
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A question that answers itself.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc at February 07, 2018 06:31 PM (cp1if)

259 Has anyone noted that it appears Carter Page was a member (in some capacity) of the Clinton transition team in 1992-3?

Posted by: Happy Hour Miklos at February 07, 2018 06:31 PM (zCyNd)

260 Hey. Hey, hey, Lannie Davis was on Hannity today saying the very most important thing to do is to tell the truth.

Posted by: I Own the Law at February 07, 2018 06:27 PM


Ha. Lannie Davis, part of the trifecta of ass-tude. Carville, Davis, and Blumenthal.

Wonder which one rolls first?

Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at February 07, 2018 06:31 PM (2FqvZ)

261 For a moment there, I thought Mollie Hemingway said,

"Are you fucking stupid, bruv?"

Posted by: hepcat at February 07, 2018 06:31 PM (5b+Sr)

262 Nothing will happen. No one will go to jail.
No one will even lose their job.
Maybe some people will even get promoted.
I am just a little cynical here, I hope I'm wrong.

Posted by: navybrat at February 07, 2018 06:31 PM (w7KSn)

263 This winning is addictive tbh. Hell just fighting back with a winning strategy and tactics is addictive. Better late than never.

Posted by: Monk at February 07, 2018 06:32 PM (g4lFK)

264 I don't know about you guys but I wish I could toss my hair back like Daryl Hall does in the video.

Posted by: Tuna at February 07, 2018 06:32 PM (jm1YL)

265 n the affected agencies, I'd fire every lifer above a certain pay grade.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 07, 2018 06:27 PM (pV/54)
************

If they are not neutered, every one of them, they will come back stronger than ever.

Posted by: Hillbilly King taking back the neighborhood one block at a time at February 07, 2018 06:32 PM (mMMjw)

266 >>>"Are you fucking stupid, bruv?"

she implied it

Posted by: ace at February 07, 2018 06:33 PM (8rNrN)

267 This winning is addictive tbh. Hell just fighting back with a winning strategy and tactics is addictive. Better late than never.

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but he said poop behind closed doors.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 07, 2018 06:33 PM (V3U1L)

268 >>>I don't know about you guys but I wish I could toss my hair back like Daryl Hall does in the video.

dude from whitesnake looks at daryl hall and laughs

Posted by: ace at February 07, 2018 06:33 PM (8rNrN)

269 And people wondered why I kept buying ammo...for weapons lost in tragic canoe accidents.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at February 07, 2018 06:33 PM (3BFzK)

270 The FISA judge, is he still alive?
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Sad about him dying in a tragic mugging where nothing was stolen in a couple of days when his name is about to leak...isn't it?

Posted by: 18-1 at February 07, 2018 06:33 PM (Z8FFX)

271 "What exactly do the Dems say the Russians did to affect the election?
Feed Hillary vodka?
I honestly don't understand."

The best argument the Left can make is that the Russians hacked the DNC and Podesta and released e-mails that showed that the DNC was fucking Bernie, and Podesta was doing things like subverting the Catholic Church. The substance of these leaks was mostly quickly pushed down the memory hole.

There's more evidence that the source of the leaks wasn't the Russians than there is that there was.

Some commenter here said that the case that the Russians did it was like coming home to find your house burgled, seeing an empty can of Forster's in you hallway, and concluding it must have been an Australian job.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 07, 2018 06:33 PM (pV/54)

272 There can't possibly be enough blood flowing through Schiff's scrawny neck to feed his brain.

Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at February 07, 2018 06:27 PM


If that dudes eyes bug out any further he's going to be able to see tomorrow.

Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at February 07, 2018 06:33 PM (2FqvZ)

273 265 n the affected agencies, I'd fire every lifer above a certain pay grade.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 07, 2018 06:27 PM (pV/54)
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If they are not neutered, every one of them, they will come back stronger than ever.
Posted by: Hillbilly King taking back the neighborhood one block at a time at February 07, 2018 06:32 PM (mMMjw)

It's like treating cancer. You want to get rid of it all.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 07, 2018 06:33 PM (NWiLs)

274 Shut it down.

Posted by: Momk at February 07, 2018 05:51 PM (g4lFK)





I was waiting for one of them to tell Schiff "FRANK RIZZO!"





Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 05:51 PM (mbhDw


There I was, laying there in a pool of my own blood and urine. Yes. My own urine. And Trump was standing there naked over me laughing. Laughing. And then he said excuse me while I whip this out. He pee'd all over me. But I got him. My brother, Frank Rizzo, was on the closet with a camera...Ya wanna see the pictures?

Posted by: Jethro Bodine at February 07, 2018 06:34 PM (7+qdf)

275 266 >>>"Are you fucking stupid, bruv?"
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I hear this a lot.

Posted by: Weasel at February 07, 2018 06:34 PM (d3bXz)

276 TPOP, treason's not the appropriate charge here, as it almost never is (though it remains the most popular cry), but I assume you noticed the bombshell-ish release du jour? Ol jugears has been inserted into this, big-time, far earlier, and more concretely, than at least I ever expected.


That one text - absent some mind-bending unknown unknowns that change everything - nicely adds yet another perjury count for Comey, reveals Obama to be the artless liar any intelligent person has always recognized, and points toward direct presidential involvement in the "Russia!" portion of the mega-scandal complex.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 07, 2018 06:34 PM (QDnY+)

277 And that was the reason for all of this. They will not be denied their right and power to choose who among them will run this country; that is, who will be seen as the illusory "people's choice."

Trump is a mortal threat to their power and the plot against him was to utterly destroy him even if he lost so as to dissuade any outsider from ever attempting to try and do what he did.

And beyond their failure to take him out, Trump must not fail in utterly vanquishing them and not leaving any vestige of their power structure.

How he does that I have no idea.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 06:16 PM (mbhDw)


I also wish we knew how to help more actively.

I was stunned when Bret Stephens said republican voters had to be taught a lesson about never voting for a Trump like candidate again.

O.O

One thing to say in private, another thing to say out loud.

I found it a absolutely stunning. The level of contempt is off the charts.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 07, 2018 06:34 PM (WlX38)

278 One thing I've been curious about, how are these places actually "bugged" physically?

Did some person pretend to be a maintenance person install microphones in Trump's office?

Is it just tapping electronically cell phone calls through the carrier?

Where are the recordings they gathered stored and who has looked at those?

Posted by: Maritime at February 07, 2018 06:34 PM (lKmt3)

279 My thoughts exactly navybrat, it leads to Barak and Hillary and no way they are going down in history as the criminals they should be.

Posted by: Skip LIIven the Dream at February 07, 2018 06:34 PM (aC6Sd)

280 It is significant that Steele is being sued for defamation in a UK court.

Under UK law, the maker of a potentially defamatory statement must affirmatively prove the factual truth of statements made.

The Steele dossier is on trial in Old Blighty, and the UK government has made no intervention to protect anything they consider secret or sensitive.

Posted by: Happy Hour Miklos at February 07, 2018 06:34 PM (zCyNd)

281 229 219 198 Monk,
The RNC was under court order to not engage in ballot security measures for over 30 yrs.
That order just ended in January 2018.
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back when GOPe let the alinsky's dictate policy...up until a week ago. hmm. sad.
Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 07, 2018 06:25 PM (V3U1L)

A consent agreement. What a bunch of cucks.

It is all making sense now.

Posted by: Monk at February 07, 2018 06:34 PM (g4lFK)

282 248 Yay! I managed to read the whole post before someone called NOOD.
Posted by: rickl at February 07, 2018 06:29 PM (sdi6R)


You got NOODED. Happens to the best and the worst of us.

Posted by: eleven at February 07, 2018 06:34 PM (+lOpA)

283 My small cost of living increase kicked in just before my Trump tax cut. Holy Toledo I am doing so much better. It's night and day.

Thanks Donnie! Maga hat tip!

Posted by: Max Power at February 07, 2018 06:34 PM (q177U)

284 266 >>>"Are you fucking stupid, bruv?"

she implied it
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the thing is, all the public's gonna hear is "discredited GOP partisan memo is destroyed by SChiff"

I sometimes watch SNL like a spy watching pravda, just to admire the craft of obfuscation. What are they going to say to diminish it.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 07, 2018 06:34 PM (V3U1L)

285


dude from whitesnake looks at daryl hall and laughs

Posted by: ace at February 07, 2018 06:33 PM (8rNrN)

You forgotten us, bro?

Posted by: Steel Panther at February 07, 2018 06:35 PM (oVJmc)

286 Carter Page denied any involvement with the placing microphones in his notebooks type stuff. Maybe he was being sneaky, but that story came from some old article that did not name him.

MAYBE he is just lying, but Daily Caller has an article on it, that he denied any of it.
dailycaller.com/2018/02/07/was-carter-page-undercover-fbi-informant/

Posted by: illiniwek at February 07, 2018 06:35 PM (bT8Z4)

287 26 13 They need to show a clip of Toto pulling the curtain aside every time they report new aspects of the investigation.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 07, 2018 05:44 PM (6Ll1u)

Hey...we should have a Toto GIF to go long with the flaming skull GIF.

Note to dog lovers: I did not say flaming Toto GIF.
Posted by: eleven



Great, now I got "Hold The Line" stuck in my head. Thanks.

Posted by: Puddleglum at February 07, 2018 06:35 PM (pY+s4)

288 >>Next Question, Why did they need a FISA warrant at all? Page was CI, a stooge, he would have worn a wire. Why did they need a warrant, other than to gather wiretap on the rest of Trump Tower?



Pretty sure that FISA702 queries allow them to tap into the NSA db, the one Edward Snowden spilled about. It is so much more than just conversations - all that metadata.

There's also speculation that they had been doing this before he warrant - the FISA warrant was more of a CYA.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 07, 2018 06:35 PM (W+vEI)

289 [T]he FBI noted to a vaguely limited extent the political origins of the dossier. In footnote 8 the FBI stated that the dossier information was compiled pursuant to the direction of a law firm who had hired an "identified U.S. person" -now known as Glenn Simpson of Fusion GPS' [REDACTED] The application failed to disclose that the identities of Mr. Simpson's ultimate clients were the Clinton campaign and the DNC.

Translation: No, the FISA Application did not "really" alert the court to the fact that Hillary Clinton and the DNC paid for this trash. It deliberately hid that from the court by referring only to a "US person" as behind it.

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Question: is it possible for the FBI to deny that they knew the parties involved at the time of the filing? Ie. could they claim that Christopher Steele only told them the limited information they put into the footnote? Or is there a definite record that the FBI had all the details?

Naturally, I don't believe that for a second the FBI didn't know. I'd just like to know that they don't even have that rock to hide behind.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 07, 2018 06:35 PM (/qEW2)

290 What's incredible is that every single morning, on cue, little Georgie Stephanopolous has something earnest to tell us about the latest on the Trump Russia investigation.

Like a wind-up doll.

Good Morning America! Bury your heads in sand, we'll tell you all about Trump and why he is so bad, and in the mean time, here's a bunch of screaming ninnies outside in the street with big smiles on their progressive faces. And aren't our girls cute? And that Robin, isn't she earnest?

Posted by: Les Kinetic at February 07, 2018 06:36 PM (5OEn4)

291 "Has anyone noted that it appears Carter Page was a member (in some capacity) of the Clinton transition team in 1992-3? "

I maintain that the guy was a mole, sent by the FBI.
If you think of it that way, it all makes sense.

Posted by: navybrat at February 07, 2018 06:36 PM (w7KSn)

292 I don't know about you guys but I wish I could toss my hair back like Daryl Hall does in the video.
Posted by: Tuna at February 07, 2018 06:32 PM (jm1YL)

I am able. I choose not to.

Posted by: Golfman at February 07, 2018 06:36 PM (i0isB)

293
Wow, these strzok-page texts are the gift that keep on giving. But they talk like middle school girls.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 07, 2018 06:36 PM (r+sAi)

294 >>>Next Question, Why did they need a FISA warrant at all? Page was CI, a stooge, he would have worn a wire. Why did they need a warrant, other than to gather wiretap on the rest of Trump Tower?

constant surveillance, silly

Posted by: concrete girl at February 07, 2018 06:37 PM (C6eZV)

295 Nothing to see here; move along.

Posted by: The Salon Snot 25 at February 07, 2018 06:37 PM (0ogQG)

296 What happened to that judge who recused himself from the Flynn Trial, was on the FISA court, and happened to be an Obama appointee?

He wouldn't hav had anything to do with the FISA application in question now, would he? This could take down some of the judiciary too.

https://tinyurl.com/ya4kmw8n

Posted by: Zif at February 07, 2018 06:37 PM (ZzP0C)

297 Sounds we'll never hear.

Posted by: click click click of handcuffs at February 07, 2018 06:38 PM (r9UYA)

298 Trump is doing all of this to Hurt Presdent Obama because hates persons of color and wants the "Old South" to come back !!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at February 07, 2018 06:38 PM (hqQ+Q)

299 293
Wow, these strzok-page texts are the gift that keep on giving. But they talk like middle school girls.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 07, 2018 06:36 PM (r+sAi)


But they wear suits and have badges and guns.

Middle school girls with suits and badges and guns.

Posted by: eleven at February 07, 2018 06:38 PM (+lOpA)

300 Oooh. Mollie types Criminal Referral.

Seriously?

Come and get me.

Posted by: Government Employees Everywhere at February 07, 2018 06:38 PM (i0isB)

301 >>dude from whitesnake looks at daryl hall and laughs


David Coverdale

Posted by: garrett at February 07, 2018 06:38 PM (ZWdwN)

302 This is great Ace

"Magical Thinking joke"

Posted by: The Jackhole Somewhere on fried to a crisp Ventura Highway at February 07, 2018 06:39 PM (M+Lyo)

303 The FISA judge, is he still alive?
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Sad about him dying in a tragic mugging where nothing was stolen in a couple of days when his name is about to leak...isn't it?

Posted by: 18-1 at February 07, 2018 06:33 PM (Z8FFX)


At least he wasn't shot sitting in his car in a church parking lot. I hate when that happens.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 07, 2018 06:39 PM (8gDQu)

304
Page was promised a 19% share in a major oil company if he could get sanctions lifted.



As Page himself noted that 19% share of the major Russian oil company would be valued at around ten billion dollars. So the FBI would have us believe that the Russians were willing to make this low level guy a billionaire

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at February 07, 2018 06:39 PM (lKyWE)

305 >>One thing I've been curious about, how are these places actually "bugged" physically?

>>Did some person pretend to be a maintenance person install microphones in Trump's office?

>>Is it just tapping electronically cell phone calls through the carrier?

>>Where are the recordings they gathered stored and who has looked at those?

It was a carrier level "wiretap". The NSA has the taps in place, all the electronic data is collected. All that is needed is a FISA warrant to look forward and more importantly in this case backwards.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 07, 2018 06:39 PM (/tuJf)

306 Stroke/ Page probably screwed on a My Pillow mattress.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 07, 2018 06:39 PM (6Ll1u)

307 Every NeverT should be asked if this new standard is ok:

If Trump 2020 solicits unverifiable and largely manufactured political opposition research on, say, Kemala Harris that links a staff member to someone who worked with the convicted CA state senator Leland Yee, would they be ok if the Trump admin used that info to surveill her campaign?

I'm sure of our Betters would be outraged and ignore the suggestion, because DC.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 07, 2018 06:39 PM (UCeQo)

308 Here are a couple of her key points, but only a couple; you really have to give her the click and read the whole thing.


Oh, Mollie's got a couple of key points, alright.

OK, I'm done.

No I'm not. I'd like to give her a click.

Posted by: pep at February 07, 2018 06:39 PM (LAe3v)

309 whig, agreed. But serving as a volunteer on a zero-traction advisory panel that barely met is pretty thin gruel for "working for Trump campaign".


Of course if the FISC is taking ridiculous crap like what it was offered by the FBI as the basis for a Title I warrant, all bets are off.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 07, 2018 06:39 PM (QDnY+)

310
Steve, pretty sure they knew by second warrant, because they ended their relationship with Steele when they found out he talked to Yahoo, but they did not disclose that to the court.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 07, 2018 06:39 PM (r+sAi)

311 Ace, the core source of this comes from Conservative Treehouse and is pretty definitive. Carter Page was definitely working for the FBI as a UCE-1 up until at least March 2016.

The part that is speculative is why exactly he decided to join the Trump campaign at that point. If the FBI was willing to go all-in on trying to get Trump, and Carter Page had already been working for them for 3 years, why wouldn't they use him further?

Carter Page, a guy who worked for the Clintons, spent time in the Pentagon, was a graduate of the Naval Academy in the top 10%, has a PHD and who speaks fluent Russian and has traveled to Russia many times and who has "advised" the FBI and CIA "multiple times"...

C'mon, this is the resume of a fucking spook. His whole "dumb" persona is part of his cover.

Posted by: I smell something rotten at February 07, 2018 06:40 PM (iWzUm)

312 Wow, these strzok-page texts are the gift that keep on giving. But they talk like middle school girls.


Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 07, 2018 06:36 PM (r+sAi)


Don't text me ever again !

Posted by: The Jackhole Somewhere on fried to a crisp Ventura Highway at February 07, 2018 06:40 PM (M+Lyo)

313 Why hasn't Rosenstein been fired and charged with lying to the FISA court, why are the FISA judges so silent now that they know they were blatantly lied to so the FBI and DOJ could set up Trump? Hello where fork is congress these days as Rome burns.

Posted by: Rose at February 07, 2018 06:40 PM (30UCB)

314 295 Nothing to see here; move along.
Posted by: The Salon Snot 25 at February 07, 2018 06:37 PM (0ogQG)

All is Well!!!

Posted by: Chip Diller at February 07, 2018 06:41 PM (2iZKp)

315 So, does Lisa Page have a Prehensile Uvula or something?

That's one ugly bitch, man.

Posted by: garrett at February 07, 2018 06:41 PM (ZWdwN)

316 Wow, these strzok-page texts are the gift that keep on giving. But they talk like middle school girls.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 07, 2018 06:36 PM (r+sAi)


My personal favorite are when they text each other that they have to use other means of communications ... now, that's some spycraft and shit.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 07, 2018 06:41 PM (8gDQu)

317 Always appreciate what you write, Ace. Thank you!

Posted by: ALH at February 07, 2018 06:41 PM (71nZe)

318 Convictions and lives ruined to such a degree that not for a century would one allow a whisper of such a thought ever cross their minds.


That's the bottom line.

Posted by: Free pikes for the asking at February 07, 2018 06:41 PM (mMMjw)

319 FISA judge is probably a commie and doesn't care.

Posted by: hepcat at February 07, 2018 06:41 PM (5b+Sr)

320 It's becoming quite plain that the FISC judge who issued the warrant was guilty of serious criminal negligence as well. Steele's reputation means nothing to the court, all that matters is the reputation of the people making the claims; and apparently most of them were never checked prior to the original authorization or any of the renewals. That fellow is going to jail, unless he's already turned and is giving up someone higher up the food-chain.

Posted by: muggs at February 07, 2018 06:41 PM (plmbZ)

321 Back a few days and a few blogs, Legal Insurection for just 1 thought the Carter Page set up was just to get to investigate those around and maybe including President Trump. Power line was another.

Posted by: Skip LIIven the Dream at February 07, 2018 06:42 PM (aC6Sd)

322 WHY CANT THEY JUST ASK THE JUDGE !!!?

Why is he some super secret protected government employee?

Posted by: Willie Nailher at February 07, 2018 06:42 PM (2DOZq)

323 Trump should offer the left a deal. if they will confess, he'll parole Hillary or Barack, their choice which one.

Posted by: x at February 07, 2018 06:42 PM (nFwvY)

324 I'm here for the flaming skull.

Posted by: PhilDirt at February 07, 2018 06:42 PM (b47z7)

325 AT this point there's gonna be a memo released confirming that Allahpundit is a raging faggot.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 07, 2018 06:42 PM (4ErVI)

326 You know, I read Deep State as Derp State and that's what I'm going to use now.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Shivering whilst hopping all around. at February 07, 2018 06:15 PM (dEQP3)


The term 'Deep State' really conveys a feeling of sinister, omnipresent, and high competence upon a group of people who we are learning are really just a bunch of tweener girls texting each other incessantly on their work phones about how they're gonna go Mean Girls on doodyhead president and get him impeached.
Derp State indeed. Now to get r/The_Donald on board...

Posted by: mugiwara at February 07, 2018 06:42 PM (RChUT)

327 313 Why hasn't Rosenstein been fired and charged with lying to the FISA court, why are the FISA judges so silent now that they know they were blatantly lied to so the FBI and DOJ could set up Trump? Hello where fork is congress these days as Rome burns.
Posted by: Rose at February 07, 2018 06:40 PM (30UCB)

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They are all in on it.

Posted by: 5/8 Mexican at February 07, 2018 06:43 PM (MoOC7)

328 >> FISA judge is probably a commie and doesn't care.


FISA is Peruvian for 'Rubber Stamp'.

Posted by: garrett at February 07, 2018 06:43 PM (ZWdwN)

329 *runs for cover

Posted by: Nellie Ohr at February 07, 2018 06:43 PM (i0isB)

330 The fact that they believed Carter Page was promised half a billion dollars is disturbing. Juan H. Crisco most of DC Feds are dirty filthy criminals like this is everyday behavior.

The projection is strong.

Posted by: Monk at February 07, 2018 06:43 PM (g4lFK)

331 Vic corrected me, so not sure whats right but sawl a list of FICA court judges and all but 1 is fronm the Barak administration. 1 is a new from last year. I think Vic's point was they while from Barak's time are picked not by him.

Posted by: Skip LIIven the Dream at February 07, 2018 06:44 PM (aC6Sd)

332 It was a carrier level "wiretap". The NSA has the taps in place, all the electronic data is collected. All that is needed is a FISA warrant to look forward and more importantly in this case backwards.

Posted by: JackStraw

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So Trump would have had to have made a phone call to (or from) Carter Page's phone in order to be recorded?

Posted by: Maritime at February 07, 2018 06:44 PM (lKmt3)

333 Trump is doing all of this to Hurt Presdent Obama because hates persons of color and wants the "Old South" to come back !!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at February 07, 2018 06:38 PM (hqQ+Q)


So right!!! The only good South is Brattleboro, Cultural and Moral capital of South Vermont!

And Mary- I just LOVE what the Womyn's Art Collective did with your Birkenstock up there in our walnut tree! So of course Drumpf wants to stop our grants from the NEA! That's OUR money!!!

Posted by: Concerned Woman of Brattleboro at February 07, 2018 06:45 PM (zCyNd)

334 I see the Deep State Troll is up to his usual antics.

Posted by: rickl at February 07, 2018 06:45 PM (sdi6R)

335 My personal favorite are when they text each other that they have to use other means of communications ... now, that's some spycraft and shit.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 07, 2018 06:41 PM (8gDQu)


Yes. *faceplalm*

On one hand, them being so stoopid got them caught.

OTOH, this is an upsetting view of what kind of people the FBI employs...at high levels. This is the best and brightest? Scares the crap outta me.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 07, 2018 06:45 PM (WlX38)

336 Yeah I saw Derp State somewhere else on the internet and I'm going to use it too. I was going to use it here earlier today but got busy with work.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 07, 2018 06:46 PM (4ErVI)

337 the core source of this comes from Conservative Treehouse and is pretty definitive. Carter Page was definitely working for the FBI as a UCE-1 up until at least March 2016.

The part that is speculative is why exactly he decided to join the Trump campaign at that point. If the FBI was willing to go all-in on trying to get Trump, and Carter Page had already been working for them for 3 years, why wouldn't they use him further?

Carter Page, a guy who worked for the Clintons, spent time in the Pentagon, was a graduate of the Naval Academy in the top 10%, has a PHD and who speaks fluent Russian and has traveled to Russia many times and who has "advised" the FBI and CIA "multiple times"...

C'mon, this is the resume of a fucking spook. His whole "dumb" persona is part of his cover.
Posted by: I smell something rotten at February 07, 2018 06:40 PM (iWzUm)

Dear Lord!

Posted by: Monk at February 07, 2018 06:46 PM (g4lFK)

338 Spunk drunk....

Someone need to trademark that

Posted by: LASue at February 07, 2018 06:46 PM (BZA5F)

339 >>> Oooh. Mollie types Criminal Referral.

Seriously?

Come and get me.

...

aw, aren't you adorable! Have you joined a #Resistance Martial Arts society, sweetie-pants?

Posted by: ace at February 07, 2018 06:46 PM (8rNrN)

340 330 The fact that they believed Carter Page was promised half a billion dollars is disturbing. Juan H. Crisco most of DC Feds are dirty filthy criminals like this is everyday behavior.

The projection is strong.

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Page was holding out for 20%

Posted by: hepcat at February 07, 2018 06:46 PM (5b+Sr)

341 FUCK FUCK FUCK

FUCK DA POLICE

Posted by: #neverskankles at February 07, 2018 06:46 PM (vyHiq)

342 Yes. *faceplalm*

On one hand, them being so stoopid got them caught.

OTOH, this is an upsetting view of what kind of people the FBI employs...at high levels. This is the best and brightest? Scares the crap outta me.
Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 07, 2018 06:45 PM (WlX3


It's better that they're this stupid.

Posted by: eleven at February 07, 2018 06:46 PM (+lOpA)

343 330 That was one point someone was calling BS as no one was giving Carter Page in the teens percent of a company ( 19% I think)

Posted by: Skip LIIven the Dream at February 07, 2018 06:46 PM (aC6Sd)

344
So, does Lisa Page have a Prehensile Uvula or something?


She's got a tongue like an electric eel and she likes the taste of a man's tonsils!!!

Posted by: Lord Flashstrzok at February 07, 2018 06:46 PM (oVJmc)

345 >>>It was a carrier level "wiretap". The NSA has the taps in place, all the electronic data is collected. All that is needed is a FISA warrant to look forward and more importantly in this case backwards.

Posted by: JackStraw


...

yeah, Byron York shot down that "they only wiretapped him after he was off of Trump's campaign" with the simple observation: No, they were now empowered to look at all emails he had written in the past.

Posted by: ace at February 07, 2018 06:47 PM (8rNrN)

346 >>OTOH, this is an upsetting view of what kind of people the FBI employs...at high levels. This is the best and brightest? Scares the crap outta me.


I've said it before and I will say it again, the Alphabet Agencies are home to some of the dumbest people I have ever encountered.

I rent buildings to all sorts of them. Idiots. From top to bottom. Though, the DEA and BATF take the cake for the dumbest of the dumb.

Posted by: garrett at February 07, 2018 06:47 PM (ZWdwN)

347 rotten, as I said if Page is a US intel asset and was at the time, it makes the rubble bounce, but the megaton-level warhead has already detonated in the form of misrepresenations and failure to provide verified facts to the FISC.


Let's say Page was an FBI "plant" all along. They could claim they thought he was "turning". The whole thing, if true, just adds one more tick item to the already sufficient list of violations.


We already have an unverified collection of info offered by someone known to be crazy to defeat Trump, who lied to the FBI, all of it paid for by the opposition campaign. That's a lot of rubble to make bounce.



Posted by: rhomboid at February 07, 2018 06:47 PM (QDnY+)

348 Its difficult to tell who is spooking who at this point. But with each passing day Moar clarity.

Posted by: Monk at February 07, 2018 06:48 PM (g4lFK)

349 So Grassley/Graham Breitbarted the Left by letting them make up their defense, and then obliterating it with the next salvo.

I love it.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 07, 2018 06:48 PM (slNe8)

350 The FISA judge is a keystone to the entire construct.

One side or the other has him on ice, or out of the country, or soon to be dead.

Either way he's shitting his pants in terror.

Posted by: davidt at February 07, 2018 06:48 PM (kyG8i)

351 So Trump would have had to have made a phone call to (or from) Carter Page's phone in order to be recorded?

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Nope, the Title I FISA warrant allows querying of the NSA database for anyone who has had any contact with the person under surveillance, and anyone that person has had contact... Think "six-degrees" of separation... Since the NSA literally records all electronic communication in the US (cell, phone, email, text messages, etc...) you can go back and retroactively look at anything once you get permission...

Posted by: I smell something rotten at February 07, 2018 06:48 PM (iWzUm)

352 The term 'Deep State' really conveys a feeling of sinister, omnipresent, and high competence upon a group of people who we are learning are

...really just a bunch of tweener girls texting each other incessantly on their work phones about how they're gonna go Mean Girls on doodyhead president and get him impeached.

Posted by: mugiwara at February 07, 2018 06:42 PM (RChUT)

lol
Did not see that coming.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 07, 2018 06:48 PM (WlX38)

353 Maritime: "One thing I've been curious about, how are these places actually 'bugged' physically?

Did some person pretend to be a maintenance person install microphones in Trump's office?"


Could be simple; odds are probably it was more sophisticated than that. Snowden's document dump of newer technical methods/tools of spying remain eye-opening. And now we know that the institutions tasked with employing these tools in a discriminating, legal manner... don't. Now they are going to force us to remove (or want to remove) some useful, perhaps critical, tools from their toolbox because they cannot be trusted.

It is the intelligence community's fault for any and all fallout as a result of their abuse of the system "we" have previously supported. All of it.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at February 07, 2018 06:48 PM (H8S+R)

354 OTOH, this is an upsetting view of what kind of
people the FBI employs...at high levels. This is the best and
brightest? Scares the crap outta me.

Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel['/i]

Two points:
1) This is a self-selected subgroup who chose to go rogue. I very much doubt that they are representative.
2) These are Obama appointees. They aren't there because they're smart. They're there because they're pliable sycophants

Posted by: pep at February 07, 2018 06:48 PM (LAe3v)

355 >>yeah, Byron York shot down that "they only wiretapped him after he was off of Trump's campaign" with the simple observation: No, they were now empowered to look at all emails he had written in the past.


Check your email.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 07, 2018 06:48 PM (/tuJf)

Posted by: pep at February 07, 2018 06:49 PM (LAe3v)

357 Geez, and the unmasking bombs haven't even been dropped yet

Posted by: muggs at February 07, 2018 06:50 PM (plmbZ)

358 I saw Haulin' Oats open for Hoppe's 9 and the Beetroot Farmers at the Beer Gardens in '07.

Posted by: Fritz at February 07, 2018 06:50 PM (bJ0w+)

359 does it go, "No one ever walked through the rain on a night like tonight" or something?
Posted by: ace
---------

Yes.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc at February 07, 2018 06:50 PM (Zdm89)

360 TPOP, treason's not the appropriate charge here, as it almost never is (though it remains the most popular cry),

I know ... it was more of a straight coup attempt, but they were allying with foreigners in the attempt, so that does bring it into the treasonous realm.

but I assume you noticed the bombshell-ish release du jour? Ol jugears has been inserted into this, big-time, far earlier, and more concretely, than at least I ever expected.

I saw it but it's been obvious for years that Barky was at the center of everything. We saw this in how he ran things from the Oval Office. The new texts are nothing new. Barky has always been the one behind the full weaponization of the feral government against the citizenry. It was never even a secret of any sort.


That one text - absent some mind-bending unknown unknowns that change everything - nicely adds yet another perjury count for Comey, reveals Obama to be the artless liar any intelligent person has always recognized, and points toward direct presidential involvement in the "Russia!" portion of the mega-scandal complex.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 07, 2018 06:34 PM (QDnY+)


I don't think the text will serve as good enough "proof" for the people who didn't already acknowledge these obvious facts.

Shit, Barky should have been removed from politics when he held the largest campaign rally in US history ... in a friggin foreign nation, for a bunch of friggin foreigners, paid for, in part, by a friggin foreign government. And he should have been impeached and later prosecuted as he ran around the world on his World Traitor Tour blaming America for everyone's problems through all of history (and even the made-up problems he loved to spout). He should have been thrown out and jailed for a hundred different crimes he committed in office ...

But the same people who could never see those problems won't see anything now, either. They are just willfully blind - by treasonous instinct and by stupidity and by cowardice - and none of that is going to change.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 07, 2018 06:50 PM (8gDQu)

361 313: Um, because Sleepy the AG put the bastard in charge? What is his problem? I know many think he's crossing every t and dotting every i in a bazillion indictments, but I call bullshit.

Posted by: CN at February 07, 2018 06:50 PM (5gaNQ)

362 Either way he's shitting his pants in terror.
Posted by: davidt


He will never be convicted of anything if he was complicit.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 07, 2018 06:50 PM (UCeQo)

363 If the two lovebirds have spouses and children I feel bad for them. I don't doubt that there will be more embarrassing texts to come.

Posted by: Tuna at February 07, 2018 06:51 PM (jm1YL)

364 ...really just a bunch of tweener girls texting each other incessantly on their work phones about how they're gonna go Mean Girls on doodyhead president and get him impeached.

Posted by: mugiwara


For now.

And we're just doing the error-trapping for them.

The next round may not be as incompetent.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 07, 2018 06:51 PM (UCeQo)

365 I saw it but it's been obvious for years that Barky was at the center of everything.

I'd say he was the behind-the-scenes mastermind, but, well, you know.

Posted by: pep at February 07, 2018 06:51 PM (LAe3v)

366 So far it looks like these people will never be charged let alone convicted. So, McCabe lost his job...wow

Posted by: CN at February 07, 2018 06:52 PM (5gaNQ)

367 Sounds like Gums Guthrie is doing the NBC News.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 07, 2018 06:52 PM (4ErVI)

368 Nobody is worse than Nevertrumpers. Real men either vote for Trump or for Hillary. Is they voted for HRC not real men.

Posted by: rhennigantx at February 07, 2018 06:52 PM (BtQd4)

369 They have guns, badges, unlimited resources, immunity and judges.

What have we got?

Jeff Sessions...

sigh

Posted by: navybrat at February 07, 2018 06:52 PM (w7KSn)

370 Hillary will never be President. But she does get to be Nixon.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at February 07, 2018 06:52 PM (rnAwa)

371 keep it coming
i love a good mystery

Posted by: concrete girl at February 07, 2018 06:52 PM (C6eZV)

372 The research at The Conseravtive Tree House is so good I can't visit there anymore. I can only come here and rely on Ace, Cobs and Teh Horde.

I allow myself to visit /pol twice a week.

I just can't and The Conservative Tree House is great. It only confirms that it's as bad As I always suspected.

Posted by: Monk at February 07, 2018 06:52 PM (g4lFK)

373 Very pretty photo essay on Chernobyl over at DailyMail:

https://tinyurl.com/yd7cvtz9

Posted by: Chip Diller at February 07, 2018 06:52 PM (2iZKp)

374 Posted by: Notorious BotFD at February 07, 2018 06:13 PM (Tyii7)
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wait till the Tide pod Idiots find out there is a Bundt Cake under the Toilet

Posted by: MISHBOT at February 07, 2018 06:52 PM (y3aQB)

375 Posted by: rhomboid at February 07, 2018 06:47 PM (QDnY+)

If the FBI thought Page had possibly turned, that would have been the primary info the warrant should have been based on. I don't think that's even been hinted at that that was part of the application.

Posted by: Willie Nailher at February 07, 2018 06:52 PM (2DOZq)

376 News just told me that the Spice Girls are making a comeback, I.. ugh... I may not be able to fap to that, but I'll give it the old American try.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 07, 2018 06:53 PM (6Ll1u)

377 We have an alumnus who made Twitchy arguing the "give 'em every break" position on the Steele Dossier.

I forget the guy's name, but I know he has a NICE pick-up.

https://tinyurl.com/ybqjxs3x

Twitchy-Gabriel Malor breaks down Grassley-Graham DOJ Referral

Posted by: sven10077 at February 07, 2018 06:53 PM (SzZnW)

378 Real men either vote for Trump or for Hillary. Is they voted for HRC not real men.


Wut?

Posted by: pep at February 07, 2018 06:53 PM (LAe3v)

379 Off Animal House sock.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 07, 2018 06:53 PM (2iZKp)

380 And this will go nowhere because "Look over there its a wife beater who's Trumps right hand Man!" Wow Trump is Napoleon!" He wants a military parade!." "Melania didn't hold Trumps hand!"

Posted by: It's me donna at February 07, 2018 06:54 PM (O2RFr)

381 far it looks like these people will never be charged let alone convicted. So, McCabe lost his job...wow
Posted by: CN at February 07, 2018 06:52 PM (5gaNQ)

This will take many years to sort out. I have a tiny bit of hope.

Posted by: Monk at February 07, 2018 06:54 PM (g4lFK)

382 378 Real men either vote for Trump or for Hillary. Is they voted for HRC not real men.


Wut?
Posted by: pep at February 07, 2018 06:53 PM (LAe3v)

Think about it...

I have no idea.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 07, 2018 06:54 PM (2iZKp)

383 362
Either way he's shitting his pants in terror.

Posted by: davidt



He will never be convicted of anything if he was complicit.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 07, 2018 06:50 PM (UCeQo)

Prosecution and/or conviction should be the least of his worries.

Posted by: Zombie Seth Rich at February 07, 2018 06:54 PM (kyG8i)

384 Partisan bureaucrats should be fired, shamed for violating the public trust, and forfeit 100% of their cushy gubmint pension. Leaders should get jail time on top of those punishments.

Short of these steps, the deep state will continue to grow exponentially in total harmony with the deficit.

Posted by: Cooldawg at February 07, 2018 06:55 PM (QgQTt)

385 http://bit.ly/2FU5Igi
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More FBI "Small Group" Text Messages Released...
Posted on February 7, 2018 by sundance

Posted by: MISHBOT at February 07, 2018 06:55 PM (y3aQB)

386
If the FBI thought Page had possibly turned, that would have been
the primary info the warrant should have been based on. I don't think
that's even been hinted at that that was part of the application.


Did the application cite Page as an FBI operative?

I can't see that such a thing could possibly be omitted under normal circumstances.

Posted by: Lord Flashstrzok at February 07, 2018 06:55 PM (oVJmc)

387 TPOP totally disagree on just about all of it, but that's not important.


That very surprising text today is obviously just the tip of the iceberg. If it refers to anything real (i.e., a process by which Bambi was kept updated on this operation), then there will be tons of other documentary evidence of same.


And what was obvious to or reasonably presumed by you and I, but not to many others, definitely would become much more widely recognized if that text points to what I think it does.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 07, 2018 06:55 PM (QDnY+)

388 The current place I stand in my understanding of the FISA surveillance into Trump's campaign is strong.

I'm pretty confident that there is wrong-doing by the bundle here and the Dems should all go down.

So, now, I'm waiting to see whether we are going to get everybody to see the same thing. But I also get the feeling that right beside me is the playland chute to Bizarro World.

And I wonder if we're really going to start seeing some justice, or whether I one day realize that we took the chute to Bizarro World.

Posted by: Axebot at February 07, 2018 06:55 PM (vDqXW)

389 Both lovebirds have a spouse , hopefully no kids as paternity could be in question

Posted by: Skip LIIven the Dream at February 07, 2018 06:56 PM (aC6Sd)

390 I'm surprised Hillary hasn't offed any of these guys yet. Who will be first ?

Posted by: 5/8 Mexican at February 07, 2018 06:56 PM (MoOC7)

391 Curious... Carter Page is doing a lot of talking head shows for a guy who is supposedly in the middle of this shitstorm.

Posted by: BluesFish at February 07, 2018 06:56 PM (hddoZ)

392 "I maintain that the guy was a mole, sent by the FBI. If you think of it that way, it all makes sense.
Posted by: navybrat

They could have used him without him even knowing, but it would sure be useful for them to have him be entwined with the Trump campaign.

It sure seems an investigation would uncover this quickly, unless the FBI is just scrubbing all that info completely. Pretty hard to do, but they are seeming pretty desperate.

MAYBE the white hats already have the evidence they need, and are not just tying up loose ends. But it's getting hard to imagine that Rosenstein/Mueller raping/beating Lady Liberty for over a year is all part of the perfect plan, especially since they are still at it.

#2weeks and the arrests begin? ... or some demotions, early retirements. sheesh

Posted by: illiniwek at February 07, 2018 06:56 PM (bT8Z4)

393 Strzok and Page are both married. Their spouses must be loving all this.

Don't know if they have any children.

Posted by: hepcat at February 07, 2018 06:57 PM (5b+Sr)

394 Mollie is a treasure. I hope her husband gives her a gross of roses for Valentine's Day. (Or, this year, the day before.) And as much chocolate as she likes. And whatever else she wants.

It would be interesting to see someone compile a full list of the NeverTrump Hall of Fame on this issue. The ones who were indistinguishable from Chris Cuomo in talking about it. Allahpundit, I no. But as I no longer go to NRO except for McCarthy, I don't know the worst offenders there. (Aren't they wearing Buckley's legacy as a skin suit? Bastards. I first read NR in 1966.)

I expect Kristol is one. And probably Mr Expert on the Taste of Democrat Butt. But who else? It might be a fun article.

Posted by: George LeS at February 07, 2018 06:57 PM (+TcCF)

395 The FISA judge is a keystone to the entire construct.

One side or the other has him on ice, or out of the country, or soon to be dead.

Either way he's shitting his pants in terror.
Posted by: davidt
---------------

Why? Why not assume that he is as philosophically aligned with the Left as the Hawaiian judge?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc at February 07, 2018 06:57 PM (ZpfqO)

396 Carter Page has not been charged with any crime that I have seen and read.

Posted by: Skip LIIven the Dream at February 07, 2018 06:57 PM (aC6Sd)

397 There are several elements that deserve an exploding flaming skull. The asshats at Fusion GPS are a slimy bunch that perform character assassinations on demand. They did work for the Russians. They paid journalists. We have the documented fact that Bill Clinton received $500k from the RUSSIANS for 1 speech. Other evidence indicates Russian nuclear officials routed millions of dollars to the U.S. designed to Bill Clinton's charitable foundation during the time Secretary of State Hillary Clinton served on a government body that provided a favorable decision to Moscow." But we get 24x7x365 stories about Trump colluding with Russia with no evidence made public after a year and a half.

Posted by: IanDeal at February 07, 2018 06:58 PM (qcIL3)

398 Not that I'm keepin score but has there been any notable nevertrumper that has said "yeah you're right, they f'n lied their way through this whole thing"..... Too spunk drunk I'm guessing.

Posted by: E.T. at February 07, 2018 06:58 PM (P1GJy)

399 394 Posted by: George LeS at February 07, 2018 06:57 PM (+TcCF)

Erick Erickson, George Will, Mitt Romney.....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 07, 2018 06:58 PM (SzZnW)

400 FBI NIGHTMARE: Nevada Judge Orders Las Vegas Police to Release All Body Cam Footage from Mandalay Bay Massacre

Posted by: MISHBOT at February 07, 2018 06:58 PM (y3aQB)

401 381: Seems like the evidence is there that they presented lies to the FISA court, and except for Yates, Comey and McCabe everyone is still working, Rosenstein is still in charge, and no charges have been filed. I don't think we need an entire chronology or life story in order to have a few teeny weeny charges or to fire Ohr, Strzok, Page, Rosenstein, etc.

But Sessions is utterly impotent and supports Rosenstein. I mean WTF!

Posted by: CN at February 07, 2018 06:59 PM (5gaNQ)

402 382
378 Real men either vote for Trump or for Hillary. Is they voted for HRC not real men.



Wut?

Posted by: pep at February 07, 2018 06:53 PM (LAe3v)



Think about it...


I have no idea.



Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop


Shhh, he's rolling.

Posted by: pep at February 07, 2018 06:59 PM (LAe3v)

403 "Hillary will never be President. But she does get to be Nixon." - BourbonChicken


Mr. President, senators, I rise to nominate this comment as thread-winner.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 07, 2018 06:59 PM (QDnY+)

404 TCM - Robert Mitchum is about to squat on Das Boot.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc at February 07, 2018 06:59 PM (ZpfqO)

405 398 Posted by: E.T. at February 07, 2018 06:58 PM (P1GJy)

Hugh "Milquetoast" Hewitt got close this week...but he blanched at "general anger at the FBI" for whatever reason.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 07, 2018 06:59 PM (SzZnW)

406 I'd say he was the behind-the-scenes mastermind, but, well, you know.

Posted by: pep at February 07, 2018 06:51 PM (LAe3v)


Heh. Barky was obviously no matermind. He's a malevolent retard. Look at the idiots doing his shit for him and how obvious it all has been since the beginning. But it was all on Barky's orders and none of it showed any sort of sophistication, just raw treasonous (sorry rhomboid) and criminal intent.

I would point to the passing of BarkyCare as the basic template. Nothing sophisticated, just underhanded and illegal deals to keep pushing something that no one in their right mind would think could keep being pushed. There was no intellectual force behind the BarkyCare push, just a lack of any American sensibilities (Barky's specialty), a hate of America and all of our traditions, procedures and institutions and a burning desire to bring it all down in the effort.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 07, 2018 06:59 PM (8gDQu)

407 398 Hugh Hewitt finally came out in support of Trump after seeing the response to the SOTU address.

Posted by: hepcat at February 07, 2018 06:59 PM (5b+Sr)

408 Mollie Hemingway (THE BOSS) and Byron York (THE CLOSER) were just on Special Report. AB Stoddard may need to change her name to IB Stuttering after that whirlwind of a dick-punching.

Posted by: motionview at February 07, 2018 07:00 PM (pYQR/)

409 400 Posted by: MISHBOT at February 07, 2018 06:58 PM (y3aQB)

I do love that the FBI was able to discern there was no terrorist motive in gunning down the GOP ball team, but can't discern motive in the Mandalay Massacre.

"useful folk"

Posted by: sven10077 at February 07, 2018 07:00 PM (SzZnW)

410 Judge told whoever to release the autopsy of the Vegas shooter but that is being slow walked

Posted by: Skip LIIven the Dream at February 07, 2018 07:01 PM (aC6Sd)

411 "TCM - Robert Mitchum is about to squat on Das Boot."

Watching The Enemy Below for first time. Big Mitchum fan.

Understand this got made into an early Star Trek episode.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 07, 2018 07:01 PM (pV/54)

412 If only Hillary had won. That Russia Reset Button would have saved us from all this.

Posted by: hepcat at February 07, 2018 07:01 PM (5b+Sr)

413 My fantasy is 10's of 1000s get shipped to GITMO and their assets seized. He keep Matines there to guard them as they live out their lives in Dog Kennels.

Posted by: Monk at February 07, 2018 07:01 PM (g4lFK)

414 400 FBI NIGHTMARE: Nevada Judge Orders Las Vegas Police to Release All Body Cam Footage from Mandalay Bay Massacre
Posted by: MISHBOT at February 07, 2018 06:58 PM (y3aQB)

Awesome.

Whatever happened to the security guard? Did we ever get the full story whether he was shot before or after the rampage?

Why haven't they released the autopsy results for the 'shooter'? Is it one of those: Hard to explain how he shot himself several times in the chest and once to the back of the head?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 07, 2018 07:02 PM (2iZKp)

415

fact: Mitchum never served in the military.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at February 07, 2018 07:02 PM (9aPjE)

416 I love Mollie Hemingway. Brains and beauty!!

Posted by: SteveOReno at February 07, 2018 07:02 PM (2sCft)

417 407 398 Hugh Hewitt finally came out in support of Trump after seeing the response to the SOTU address.
Posted by: hepcat at February 07, 2018 06:59 PM (5b+Sr)


He'll be back to writing "Mrs. Hugh Romney" in his notebooks soon enough.

Posted by: Buzzion at February 07, 2018 07:02 PM (lKs2v)

418 Evenin' Horde. Maybe someone already mentioned it. But Weiner's laptop contained the number for Glen Simpson's wife. (The founder of GPS Fusion) Coincidence I am sure. Sure are a lot of them.

Posted by: Minnfidel at February 07, 2018 07:02 PM (+1EJs)

419 If only Hillary had won.

WOOOO CARBON TAX!

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 07, 2018 07:03 PM (p8Rx3)

420 Carter Page has not been charged with any crime that I have seen and read.
Posted by: Skip LIIven the Dream at February 07, 2018 06:57 PM (aC6Sd)




I am still peeved that Jonah Goldberg referred to him as wannabe Russian spy Carter Page.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Shivering whilst hopping all around. at February 07, 2018 07:03 PM (dEQP3)

421 Rosenstein signed the last warrant application, I believe. Wonder what his exposure might be because of that.


I think I started part of the "what if Page was a US agent" thing. I was just responding to rotten, on a narrow point. That the apparent violations involved in the FISA process, already, were overwhelming, anything new about Page emerging would merely be making the rubble bounce.


And those who think this will simply go away, or down the MSM memory hold. Don't think so. This is quite different.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 07, 2018 07:03 PM (QDnY+)

422 NIGHTMARE: Nevada Judge Orders Las Vegas Police to Release All Body Cam Footage from Mandalay Bay Massacre
Posted by: MISHBOT at February 07, 2018 06:58 PM (y3aQB)

Woof!

Posted by: Monk at February 07, 2018 07:03 PM (g4lFK)

423 It seems like the only people guilty of magical thinking are people like me who thought Sessions was "up to something" and that he would act (instead of letting Nunes and Grassley do all his work, then supporting the perps and keeping them on the payroll).

I wish Sessions was out on his elf ear

Posted by: CN at February 07, 2018 07:03 PM (5gaNQ)

424 Why haven't we heard from Chicago Jesus, the Mocha Messiah, the Great God Emperor. Where's he been?

Posted by: Tuna at February 07, 2018 07:03 PM (jm1YL)

425 If the two lovebirds have spouses and children I
feel bad for them. I don't doubt that there will be more embarrassing
texts to come.

Posted by: Tuna at February 07, 2018 06:51 PM (jm1YL)


I wouldn't feel too bad considering the 'love affair' was almost certainly made up to imply to the general public the 10,000 texts discussing the silent coup was nothing more than dirty, sexy talk.
Have we seen any dirty, sexy talk, texts yet? Just prior to the public release of any of the texts was when a WaPo reporter, already known to be a receiver/reporter of FBI leaks, reported about the texts and their 'affair'.

Posted by: mugiwara at February 07, 2018 07:04 PM (RChUT)

426 That very surprising text today is obviously just the tip of the iceberg. If it refers to anything real (i.e., a process by which Bambi was kept updated on this operation), then there will be tons of other documentary evidence of same.

Maybe. I wouldn't bet on it coming out but it would be nice.

And what was obvious to or reasonably presumed by you and I, but not to many others, definitely would become much more widely recognized if that text points to what I think it does.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 07, 2018 06:55 PM (QDnY+)


Well ... I don't think you should underestimate so many people's refusal to acknowledge the obvious.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 07, 2018 07:04 PM (8gDQu)

427 417 407 398 Hugh Hewitt finally came out in support of Trump after seeing the response to the SOTU address.
Posted by: hepcat at February 07, 2018 06:59 PM (5b+Sr)


He'll be back to writing "Mrs. Hugh Romney" in his notebooks soon enough.


===============

He came out on the Dennis Prager show.

Posted by: hepcat at February 07, 2018 07:04 PM (5b+Sr)

428 >>400 FBI NIGHTMARE: Nevada Judge Orders Las Vegas Police to Release All Body Cam Footage from Mandalay Bay Massacre

Sessions AWOL on this one too. Fire him.

Posted by: Under Fire at February 07, 2018 07:04 PM (r9UYA)

429 Hugh "Milquetoast" Hewitt got close this week...but he blanched at "general anger at the FBI" for whatever reason.
Posted by: sven10077


Statism is a hell of a drug...

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 07, 2018 07:04 PM (UCeQo)

430 there had also been information Page worked with abscom (russian energy compnay?) i have forgotten the name. sheesh

Posted by: willow at February 07, 2018 07:04 PM (Z8j2x)

431 Also, He loves him some WashDC

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 07, 2018 07:04 PM (UCeQo)

432 At Bearing Arms article Gronk was house robbed while he was playing the SB and 3 weapons were taken

Posted by: Skip LIIven the Dream at February 07, 2018 07:05 PM (aC6Sd)

433 If anyone is counting on Washington to fix anything, Don't. Not going to happen even if they take a left at Albuquerque.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 07, 2018 07:05 PM (6Ll1u)

434 Judge told whoever to release the autopsy of the Vegas shooter but that is being slow walked
Posted by: Skip LIIven the Dream at February 07, 2018 07:01 PM (aC6Sd)

This should be interesting.

Posted by: Monk at February 07, 2018 07:05 PM (g4lFK)

435 I found WeaselWoman's Oreo cookie stash and I have to be careful and not hit it too hard and too fast. Restraint is called for here!

Posted by: Weasel at February 07, 2018 07:05 PM (d3bXz)

436 Question: All those redacted names in the Grassley memo, can they be unmasked? Tis sport to see the engineer hoist on his own petard.

Posted by: George LeS at February 07, 2018 07:05 PM (+TcCF)

437 oh and I forgot to mention. Apparently Mary Jacoby' (Simpson's wife is also on the White House Visitor log when Barky was Preznit)

Posted by: Minnfidel at February 07, 2018 07:05 PM (+1EJs)

438 JackStraw- A national radio guy put Contreras'(SP- because of wine) out there , Thanks to your information.

Posted by: Ben Had at February 07, 2018 07:05 PM (tKJeF)

439 If only Mrs. Clinton knew.

Posted by: comrade democrat -- Stalin wasn't THAT bad at February 07, 2018 07:05 PM (EzdLW)

440 who is the Leftist Rectal Buccaneer losing his mind & ass to Caffetz on Martha's Show ?

Posted by: MISHBOT at February 07, 2018 07:05 PM (y3aQB)

441 "I maintain that the guy was a mole, sent by the FBI. If you think of it that way, it all makes sense.
Posted by: navybrat

TGP has him, Page, as part of 1992 Clinton Transition Team. Curiouser and curiouser. Explains why/how FBI would "spy" on their key anti-Russian spy witness.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at February 07, 2018 07:06 PM (Dp6qK)

442 428: What is wrong with the AG? Is he drooling in a corner except to run his mouth about how great Rosenstein is?

Posted by: CN at February 07, 2018 07:06 PM (5gaNQ)

443 Oh and Mary Jacoby just also happened to get paid as well. Another coincidence.

Posted by: Minnfidel at February 07, 2018 07:06 PM (+1EJs)

444 Gregg Jarrett is on Lou Dobbs.

Just said Nunes has sent a letter to the presiding judge of FISC, wanting ALL of the transcripts of all of the FISA warrant hearings...all 4 of them!

Posted by: Tami at February 07, 2018 07:06 PM (Enq6K)

445 >>JackStraw- A national radio guy put Contreras'(SP- because of wine) out there , Thanks to your information.

Thanks Ben, but I doubt he got it from me.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 07, 2018 07:06 PM (/tuJf)

446 To be a Never Trumper you'd have to be okay with the Supreme Court being fucked and none of this FBI, Justice, Obama WH crap coming out.

Posted by: hepcat at February 07, 2018 07:07 PM (5b+Sr)

447 The smoking gun from the autopsy on Paddock will be that his stomach was 75% full of undisested comped sushi from the day before.

Posted by: Monk at February 07, 2018 07:07 PM (g4lFK)

448 The mint Oreos are the bomb.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at February 07, 2018 07:07 PM (89T5c)

449 We do know there is not any even questionable circumstantial evidence that the Vegas shooter was sympathetic to the Right.

We know that because if there was, it would have been reported and repeated continually.

Posted by: Willie Nailher at February 07, 2018 07:07 PM (2DOZq)

450 435 I found WeaselWoman's Oreo cookie stash and I have to be careful and not hit it too hard and too fast. Restraint is called for here!
Posted by: Weasel at February 07, 2018 07:05 PM (d3bXz)

Nope. Not touching that.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at February 07, 2018 07:07 PM (Dp6qK)

451 Question: All those redacted names in the Grassley memo, can they be unmasked? Tis sport to see the engineer hoist on his own petard.

Posted by: George LeS at February 07, 2018 07:05 PM (+TcCF)
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As none of this activity has any expectation of privacy, they are "unmasked". They are known fully to the authorities who simply redacted their names for publication.

Posted by: Axebot at February 07, 2018 07:07 PM (vDqXW)

452 It seems like the only people guilty of magical thinking are people like me who thought Sessions was "up to something" and that he would act (instead of letting Nunes and Grassley do all his work, then supporting the perps and keeping them on the payroll).

I wish Sessions was out on his elf ear
Posted by: CN at February 07, 2018 07:03 PM (5gaNQ)

I was in the same camp - thinking Sessions surely was doing something behind the scenes.

No longer.

His off-script defense of Rosenstein a few days ago was the proof that he is a Marquis-of-Queensbury GOP dope. He needs to go. Now.

Posted by: DR.WTF? at February 07, 2018 07:07 PM (T71PA)

453 nood

Posted by: CN at February 07, 2018 07:08 PM (5gaNQ)

454 Many players from Hillary's camp keep showing up pushing Russians at the Trump people hoping those connections stuck

Posted by: Skip LIIven the Dream at February 07, 2018 07:08 PM (aC6Sd)

455 "fact: Mitchum never served in the military."

IIRC he got drafted into the Army as the war was ending. For all I know, a studio arranged this, He certainly wasn't eager to serve.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 07, 2018 07:08 PM (pV/54)

456 ''I found WeaselWoman's Oreo cookie stash and I have to be careful and not hit it too hard and too fast. Restraint is called for here!''

Yes, leaving one or two cookies uneaten will not allay her suspicions.

Posted by: Tuna at February 07, 2018 07:08 PM (jm1YL)

457 455 "fact: Mitchum never served in the military."

IIRC he got drafted into the Army as the war was ending. For all I know, a studio arranged this, He certainly wasn't eager to serve.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 07, 2018 07:08 PM (pV/54)

Fact: Mitchum liked his weed.

Posted by: Willie Nailher at February 07, 2018 07:09 PM (2DOZq)

458 Weasel, You need better info. Tractor Supply is overpriced and under quality.

As you can tell, my internet has been down for days.

Posted by: Ben Had at February 07, 2018 07:09 PM (tKJeF)

459 You would think snoozy sessions would have some pride...doesn't he care how he will go down in history as a complete laughing stock at a time when his country really needs an AG?....Isn't he embarrassed to even look at family and friends...

Posted by: E.T. at February 07, 2018 07:09 PM (P1GJy)

460 452: No way is he crouched and ready to spring like a tiger...he's a pussyhead

Posted by: CN at February 07, 2018 07:09 PM (5gaNQ)

461 Buzzion: "He'll be back to writing 'Mrs. Hugh Romney' in his notebooks soon enough."

Pretty funny.

For a dead guy.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at February 07, 2018 07:10 PM (H8S+R)

462 I'm beginning to understand why they went nuts with the guillotine in Franc.

Posted by: ol' George at February 07, 2018 07:10 PM (mMMjw)

463 Whoever said it about the fake "affair" between Strzok and Page up above, I think you might be on to something.

I've seen nothing steamy. It sounds like a cover for texting.

Trust the Deep State that they wouldn't be honest in anything.

Posted by: Axebot at February 07, 2018 07:10 PM (vDqXW)

464 456 ''I found WeaselWoman's Oreo cookie stash and I have to be careful and not hit it too hard and too fast. Restraint is called for here!''

Yes, leaving one or two cookies uneaten will not allay her suspicions.
Posted by: Tuna at February 07, 2018 07:08 PM (jm1YL)



But it will mean she has to buy more Oreos.

Posted by: Buzzion at February 07, 2018 07:10 PM (lKs2v)

465 141 and, in the meantime, the question has to be asked "WHAT THE FUCK IS MUELLER DOING"
Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 07, 2018 06:07 PM (V3U1L)

------

Either

1) nothing other than cashing a big paycheck

2) digging up whatever dirt on Trump he can find

3) investigation of the true bad actors (Dems, corrupt FBI, etc)

Posted by: MAGA at February 07, 2018 07:10 PM (LnOh3)

466
TCM - Robert Mitchum is about to squat on Das Boot.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc


Feather merchant

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 07, 2018 07:10 PM (IqV8l)

467 463 Whoever said it about the fake "affair" between Strzok and Page up above, I think you might be on to something.

I've seen nothing steamy. It sounds like a cover for texting.

Trust the Deep State that they wouldn't be honest in anything.
Posted by: Axebot at February 07, 2018 07:10 PM (vDqXW)

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I said it this morning. Show me one text indicating an affair.

Posted by: MAGA at February 07, 2018 07:11 PM (LnOh3)

468 "Fact: Mitchum liked his weed."

And Hollywood trim. He fucked them all.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 07, 2018 07:11 PM (pV/54)

469 I've seen nothing steamy. It sounds like a cover for texting.

Trust the Deep State that they wouldn't be honest in anything.

Posted by: Axebot


Deep Code

Posted by: Hillbilly King taking the neighborhood back one block at a time at February 07, 2018 07:11 PM (mMMjw)

470 "I said it this morning. Show me one text indicating an affair."

Selective leaks. Anything "personal" would bring down howls of outrage. Too early to make Stzrok and Page hateful. They must first be seen as credible in their private correspondence.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 07, 2018 07:14 PM (pV/54)

471 465 141 and, in the meantime, the question has to be asked "WHAT THE FUCK IS MUELLER DOING"
Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 07, 2018 06:07 PM (V3U1L)

------

Either

1) nothing other than cashing a big paycheck


You've gotta fight investigate for your right to PAAAAARRRRTY!

Posted by: Mueller at February 07, 2018 07:14 PM (sGtp+)

472 Rhomboid,

I am reasonably familiar with techniques used by the British Secret Service which were covered quite thoroughly in Bodyguard of Lies Vol. 1 and 2. The author covers disinformation techniques that were used and then taught by the British to both the Americans and Russians to cover Allied operations during WWII. The original disinformation plans for the Western front were called Bodyguard and the genius is using just enough plausible information to get the Germans to fill in the blanks. Things like the Man Who Never Was, bribes, honeytraps, using double even triple agents, assassinations, even leaking information about German spy rings that were helping the Allies, etc. were regarded as routine. These were carried forth on a grander scale by the CIA later. Britain used its position as the financial and insurance capital of the world, its universities, along with its important news organizations as adjuncts to their disinformation and spying apparatus.

The so-called gentleman spies who like clowns could put their spy nose on and off depending on the context served as auxiliaries to the full-time spooks. In modern terms, contractors who had plausible covers and were financed by off the books stipends from time to time. Allen Dulles who was OSS Chief in Switzerland, learned lessons from the Brits on how to conduct operations on the sly which he took with him as director of the CIA.

Posted by: whig at February 07, 2018 07:16 PM (acrHV)

473 Hemmingway is right I believe. In a case like this to the FISA court. You don't hold back, you fire the big guns. If there was more to it other than the pile of shit they keep calling the "dossier" it would have been leaked by now.

Posted by: Minnfidel at February 07, 2018 07:17 PM (+1EJs)

474 465: Oppo for dems 2018/2020

Posted by: CN at February 07, 2018 07:18 PM (5gaNQ)

475 It is a general rule in government under FOIA or open records request to redact texts and other information of a personal nature so that may be what is going on here from a FOIA perspective.

Remember, these have to be processed by the FBI/DOJ/DOJ IG before release. Guidelines for release generally have a privacy interest for things that are not relevant to the misconduct. Having an affair is not illegal so those would probably be redacted before release.

Posted by: whig at February 07, 2018 07:19 PM (acrHV)

476 good point about nancy babbling for 8+ hours. She's probably already said some of the dumbest, most damning shit about the true id of the DNC. Or she just sounds nuts.

either way...gold!

If the GOPe is trying to win 2018. if.

Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 07, 2018 07:20 PM (V3U1L)

477 I doubt you will see this, but excellent post Ace. Thank you!

Posted by: Uriah Heep at February 07, 2018 07:20 PM (Z8sLE)

478 It is a general rule in government under FOIA or open records request to redact texts and other information of a personal nature so that may be what is going on here from a FOIA perspective.

Remember, these have to be processed by the FBI/DOJ/DOJ IG before release. Guidelines for release generally have a privacy interest for things that are not relevant to the misconduct. Having an affair is not illegal so those would probably be redacted before release.
Posted by: whig at February 07, 2018 07:19 PM

The problem, is the FBI and the DOJ are the ones who look crooked in this. It would be like Enron deciding which info the prosecutors could use in their audit.

Posted by: Minnfidel at February 07, 2018 07:22 PM (+1EJs)

479 Flounder,
TGP is somewhere that I read on occasion but verify his stories. In this case, I posted a link above in a comment to the McClatchy news service story where this apparently came from and also it appears on Carter Page's Wikipedia page.

Posted by: whig at February 07, 2018 07:23 PM (acrHV)

480 Remember how this all came out -- it was falsely rumored for months that this was all paid for by Republican opponents of Trump.

I posted about this a couple of days ago when it came out. IIRC Nunes revealed it. Anyone know where this lie started?

It was reported for moths that the origin was research commissioned by Jeb or Marco, now it's revealed to be totally false.

Posted by: Farmer at February 07, 2018 07:26 PM (yJ1e6)

481 393 Strzok and Page are both married. Their spouses must be loving all this.

Don't know if they have any children.
Posted by: hepcat at February 07, 2018 06:57 PM (5b+Sr)

Yeah, that is all lost in the Politics turned up to 11!! with this story. There have to be some hurting spouses and perhaps kids. Sad!

Posted by: SteveOReno at February 07, 2018 07:27 PM (2sCft)

482 This whole FUCKING thing boils down to a guy who heard something from his friends brothers sister who had a cousin who went to Russia once and head from his friends best friends uncle that. Yea. Geez.

Posted by: Minnfidel at February 07, 2018 07:28 PM (+1EJs)

483 424 Why haven't we heard from Chicago Jesus, the Mocha Messiah, the Great God Emperor. Where's he been?
Posted by: Tuna at February 07, 2018 07:03 PM (jm1YL)

Yes, that Jug-Eared Fucker had no trouble spouting off about any and everything just a few months ago. Gone strangely silent, he has. Eerily silent, that SCOAMF.

Posted by: SteveOReno at February 07, 2018 07:30 PM (2sCft)

484 My personal favorite are when they text each other that they have to use other means of communications ... now, that's some spycraft and shit.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 07, 2018 06:41 PM (8gDQu)


Maybe DC affairs are as boring as one might imagine, but they likely had sex from time to time in between texts. Would it have been so hard to discuss this personally after bumping uglies (never more appropriate a term)? Some spycraft shit indeed.

Posted by: Keith at February 07, 2018 07:30 PM (USf3s)

485 480 Remember how this all came out -- it was falsely rumored for months that this was all paid for by Republican opponents of Trump.

I posted about this a couple of days ago when it came out. IIRC Nunes revealed it. Anyone know where this lie started?

It was reported for moths that the origin was research commissioned by Jeb or Marco, now it's revealed to be totally false.
Posted by: Farmer at February 07, 2018 07:26 PM (yJ1e6)



The Washington Free Beacon has admitted that they paid Fusion GPS to do oppo research on Trump and other candidates, Cruz was another one.

Posted by: buzzion at February 07, 2018 07:45 PM (lKs2v)

486 That movie must have been really bad.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 07, 2018 08:29 PM (Eu5eZ)

487 Cheech is on TuCa now!

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 07, 2018 08:30 PM (Eu5eZ)

488 Aaand. The hits keep coming. Per Gateway Pundit. More gems from Stzok and Page's texts. The gift that keeps giving. Regarding the Hilldo email scandal....The FBI changed President and referred to a "another senior government official"

Posted by: Minnfidel at February 07, 2018 08:32 PM (+1EJs)

489 What I want to know, it why at this point the FBI should be allowed to redact ANYTHING. They have no trust and have already proven they are lying manipulative fucks. The IG should be the only one with that power now. It would be like letting the defendant allow or disallow testimony.

Posted by: Minnfidel at February 07, 2018 08:34 PM (+1EJs)

490 The fact that "Steele is a very reliable fellow and wouldn't lie to us" should make it easy to corraborate his intel.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 07, 2018 08:34 PM (Eu5eZ)

491 I don't really believe they were having an affair. When did they have time? Those two sent 50,000 texts to each other over 5 months. That's 300 PER DAY. Assuming they needed to at least pretend to work part of the time, plus eat and sleep, that doesn't leave much left for nookie.

Posted by: Trimegistus at February 07, 2018 09:06 PM (lidpO)

492 I don't really believe they were having an affair. When did they have time? Those two sent 50,000 texts to each other over 5 months. That's 300 PER DAY. Assuming they needed to at least pretend to work part of the time, plus eat and sleep, that doesn't leave much left for nookie.
Posted by: Trimegistus


Unless the "affair" was cover for something else...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Penitent Cylon at February 07, 2018 09:23 PM (lLeln)

493 Naturally omitted - the biggest lie of all. Cater Page was a undercover informant to the FBI till march 2016.

So the FBI represented to the FISA court that carter page, their own informant, who informed on Russian spy attempts, was in fact a Russian spy.

FISA warrants are retroactive. meaning, getting a FISA warrant on carter page after he left the Trump campaign means they could retroactively obtain all his e-mails during the campaign.

Posted by: Dean Wormer at February 07, 2018 11:32 PM (+Jknm)

494 Follow the FISA renewals: what evidence did they gather to warrant renewal applications? How does this compare to similar cases?

Follow the unmasking: who was unmasked, by whom. Put them all under oath as to why, and how this compared to other cases?

Follow the leaks: Probably the hardest to prove, since the news outlets will guard their sources; but the leaks were an essential part of the disinformation campaign.

Posted by: Deep Throat at February 08, 2018 07:40 AM (BsGS1)

495 What part of coup d'état am I missing here?

Posted by: connie frist at February 08, 2018 08:07 AM (L5LCw)

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