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Mollie Hemingway: The Grassley/Graham Memo is Even More Damaging Than the Nunes Memo, and Obliterates Many of the Progressives' and NeverTrumpers' Key Wishcasting Defenses of the FISA Application
There were several defense offered by liberals/NeverTrumpers (BIRM) to the Nunes memo, the most important of which was:
Maybe the Steele Memo was only mentioned in passing, but there was a whole pile of other evidence that would support a gross invasion of someone's privacy. This claim was always a Magical Thinking joke, which was obvious to us non-conspiracy-theorists and non-magical-thinkers, because: 1, when the Deep State wanted to drop a bomb on Trump, they leaked word of the briefing of the Steele Dossier, not this alleged hypothetical supporting evidence. You don't leak your weaksauce crap. You leak your good stuff, not your chaff. 2, when any lawyer is drafting a motion, he includes only his strongest arguments and proofs and omits his weaksauce crap. The very fact that the Dossier was included in the FISA application at all should have been a strong hint to the NeverTrump Magical Thinkers that there was no "stronger evidence we just don't know about" -- because if there had been stronger evidence, they never would have bothered including the weaksause Steele Dossier at all, especially given its problematic partisan origins. And... 3, despite this farce having gone on for 18 months now, and Adam Schiff and various Deep State operatives leaking like sieves, this magical hypothetical "stronger evidence we just don't know about" did something no actual evidence in this case heretofore managed: It stayed out of the press, somehow. But, proving Trump right that Americans are Dreamers Too, the conspiracy theorists and Magical Thinkers just kept pushing this narrative that the Steele Dossier was just minor piffle in the FISA Application, and that the Mystery Evidence That Someone Never Leaked was really the star of the show. How do I say this? Are you fucking stupid, bruv? Have you been sipping on so much Democrat Dick you've become spunk-drunk? How do you snidely imply that other people are conspiracy theorists and Jesus-Addled Magical Thinkers when you sit there postulating Super Strong Evidence We Just Don't Know About Because Adam Schiff Has Too Much Damn Integrity to Leak It? Mollie Hemingway takes us on a tour of the Grassley/Graham memo, which proves the basics of the Nunes Memo, and leaves the Democrats and NeverTrumpers (but I repeat myself) who previously dreamed up a slew of defenses sputtering and now griping "You should have released this first!" Why, to spare you the embarrassment? Here are a couple of her key points, but only a couple; you really have to give her the click and read the whole thing. Below, the headline's are Mollie's, the text supporting those headings is from Grassley/Graham.Comey On Dossier's Lack Of Meaningful Corroboration When asked at the March 2017 briefing why the FBI relied on the dossier in the FISA applications absent meaningful corroboration--and in light of the highly political motives surrounding its creation--then-Director Comey stated that the FBI included the dossier allegations about Carter Page in the FISA applications because Mr. Steele himself was considered reliable due to his past work with the Bureau.Translation: No, there is no deep well of Strong Evidence We Don't Know About. The chief sort of "corroboration" of the Steele Dossier is that Steele is a very reliable fellow and wouldn't lie to us. Well, we'll take a look at that in a bit, shall we?
Dossier Formed 'Bulk' Of FISA Application Indeed, the documents we have reviewed show that the FBI took important investigative steps largely based on Mr. Steele’s information--and relying heavily on his credibility. Specifically, on October 21, 2016, the FBI filed its first warrant application under FISA for Carter Page. [REDACTED] The bulk of the application consists of allegations against Page that were disclosed to the FBI by Mr. Steele and are also outlined in the Steele dossier.Translation: No, there was no large cache of Secret Evidence The Deep State Just Forgot to Leak. The application was indeed, as Nunes said (and NeverTrumpers denied), based almost entirely on the dodgy dossier, with no corroboration or independent streams of information.
Isikoff's Yahoo Article Cited In Place Of Corroboration The application appears to contain no additional information corroborating the dossier allegations against Mr. Page, although it does cite to a news article that appears to be sourced to Mr. Steele's dossier as well.Translation: The big piece of corroboration was the citation of a fucking newspaper article as completely-independent confirmation of one claim Steele made (that Page was promised a 19% share in a major oil company if he could get sanctions lifted). But this wasn't completely independent -- because Steele had lied to the FBI about talking to the press. In fact, this newspaper article is based on what Steele told Isikoff. Steele essentially "corroborated" himself by ginning up one layer of anonymous sourcing.
Political Basis Mentioned Only 'To A Vaguely Limited Extent' [T]he FBI noted to a vaguely limited extent the political origins of the dossier. In footnote 8 the FBI stated that the dossier information was compiled pursuant to the direction of a law firm who had hired an "identified U.S. person" -now known as Glenn Simpson of Fusion GPS–[REDACTED] The application failed to disclose that the identities of Mr. Simpson’s ultimate clients were the Clinton campaign and the DNC.Translation: No, the FISA Application did not "really" alert the court to the fact that Hillary Clinton and the DNC paid for this trash. It deliberately hid that from the court by referring only to a "US person" as behind it. Remember how this all came out -- it was falsely rumored for months that this was all paid for by Republican opponents of Trump. Someone reading an application or a renewal application could assume, especially with those rumors, that the "US person" was really working for Republicans, and, if so, that would tend to prove the credibility of the document -- if Republicans dug this up and are alarmed by it, so much so that they'd tank an election rather than let this RUSSIAN stooge into the White House, well, that's something to consider! Imagine what a court would have thought if these guys had written this out clearly: The uncorroborated document which forms the main basis of our application was paid for by Hillary Clinton and the DNC, and assembled by an admitted anti-Trump partisan "desperate" to keep Trump out of the White House. Yeah, if you'e thinking "I can see why they didn't write it that way," you can see why they decided to violate their duties as officers of the court and conceal the plain truth from the judge. Okay, I'm not going to quote anything more. I'll refer you to the article, but just note this fact: The FISA application represented to the court that the Yahoo article was independent corroboration, claiming Steele hadn't spoken to the press, and therefore Isikoff's article must come through some separate, independent channel of information. This was a lie all along. But at first, it was only Steele's lie. However, when Yates, Rosenstein, etc., singed the renewal applications, they did not update their application to inform the court that their previous representation had been false, that Steele had lied to them about when he spoke to the press, and in fact that Steele's association with the FBI had been terminated due to this misconduct. They had a duty as officers of the court to tell the judge that. Yet, they concealed it, once again. Now if you're thinking, "Well, I can sure see why they concealed that, because that would destroy not only their renewal application but the original application too" -- yes, you can now see why officers of the court sometimes perpetrate frauds on the court. It's the same reason any unethical litigant conceals material information from the court: Because they know the truth would hurt them. So they lie. I look forward to the NeverTrumper Magical Thinkers concocting some further fanciful Hypothetical Evidence that will dig their credibility out of this latest pit they've dug for their smug-ass selves.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at February 07, 2018 05:40 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 07, 2018 05:41 PM (IqV8l)
Posted by: eleven at February 07, 2018 05:41 PM (+lOpA)
Posted by: eleven at February 07, 2018 05:41 PM (+lOpA)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 05:41 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: Old Nam Vet at February 07, 2018 05:42 PM (FqZOm)
Couldn't have said it any better myself.
Posted by: Shemp! at February 07, 2018 05:42 PM (Tyii7)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at February 07, 2018 05:43 PM (89T5c)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at February 07, 2018 05:43 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: Hillbilly King taking back the neighborhood one block at a time at February 07, 2018 05:44 PM (mMMjw)
Posted by: Insomniac at February 07, 2018 05:44 PM (NWiLs)
It was Trump's fault.
Posted by: Hillbilly King taking back the neighborhood one block at a time at February 07, 2018 05:44 PM (mMMjw)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 07, 2018 05:44 PM (6Ll1u)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at February 07, 2018 05:43 PM (mpXpK)
Ike Turner really was the victim in that relationship.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 05:44 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: Shemp! at February 07, 2018 05:44 PM (Tyii7)
Posted by: Not James Comey at February 07, 2018 05:44 PM (8+Ozj)
Posted by: dantesed at February 07, 2018 05:44 PM (88xKn)
NeverTrumpers
Posted by: steevy at February 07, 2018 05:45 PM (LiyEm)
Posted by: tbodie at February 07, 2018 05:45 PM (WDy4l)
As many have said, there is no way in the universe that, in the end, the applications, court transcripts, etc. are not released (with minimal redactions). No way. Unless we have some mass plea deal with all the perps, in which case no trial is required. But still.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 07, 2018 05:45 PM (QDnY+)
I need a drink.
Posted by: #neverskankles at February 07, 2018 05:45 PM (Aajx4)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 07, 2018 05:45 PM (KP5rU)
So we have to ask: who else got this FusionGPS-DNC FISA treatment?!?
Posted by: Lizzy at February 07, 2018 05:45 PM (W+vEI)
Well, knock me over with a feather!
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 07, 2018 05:45 PM (CPk08)
Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 07, 2018 05:45 PM (7LY+6)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 07, 2018 05:44 PM (6Ll1u)
Hey...we should have a Toto GIF to go long with the flaming skull GIF.
Note to dog lovers: I did not say flaming Toto GIF.
Posted by: eleven at February 07, 2018 05:46 PM (+lOpA)
I need a drink.
Posted by: #neverskankles at February 07, 2018 05:45 PM (Aajx4)
Well, if their taxes are too low should they not be volunteering to pay more to the Treasury? Y'know, because it's patriotic?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 05:46 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: NY Post Headline at February 07, 2018 05:46 PM (89T5c)
Posted by: tbodie at February 07, 2018 05:46 PM (WDy4l)
Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 07, 2018 05:46 PM (7LY+6)
Posted by: IC at February 07, 2018 05:46 PM (a0IVu)
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 07, 2018 05:47 PM (4e+hS)
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - NOW WITH VIP at February 07, 2018 05:47 PM (aRDor)
Posted by: Insomniac
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Right. I've got a nose for these things and I can tell you hyperbole is just the beginning.
Posted by: Brian at February 07, 2018 05:47 PM (mMMjw)
Posted by: NY Post Headline at February 07, 2018 05:46 PM (89T5c)
Greatest piece of journalism in history.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 05:47 PM (mbhDw)
Another thing I've been asking, and haven't seen in extensive homework on the FISA process - how in the hell are renewals granted without the govt. characterizing/providing examples of the "take" from the expiring warrant? In other words, don't they have to show some production from this extraordinary suspension of constitutional rights? Absurd that, in renewals, the govt. would not have to substantiate their "cause" for snooping with actual evidence gathered thereby.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 07, 2018 05:47 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 05:44 PM (mbhDw)
Tina wouldn't let him be clear.
Posted by: eleven at February 07, 2018 05:47 PM (+lOpA)
Posted by: Shemp! at February 07, 2018 05:47 PM (Tyii7)
Better: There is PROOF of this and it's in the hands of people who want to do something about it.
Posted by: Lizzy at February 07, 2018 05:48 PM (W+vEI)
It was another dossier by a guy named Shearer that was passed to Steele. He is a long time dirty tricks agent for the Clintons working with Sid Blumenthal. In essence, they were using Steele as a cutout to push Clinton propaganda. Course, Steele was down with it.
Go to Conservative Treehouse. They are keeping up with most developments better than others.
Posted by: whig at February 07, 2018 05:48 PM (acrHV)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 05:44 PM (mbhDw)
Tina wouldn't let him be clear.
Posted by: eleven at February 07, 2018 05:47 PM (+lOpA)
Or finish his waffle.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 05:48 PM (mbhDw)
OK, I don't often actually "LOL" when I'm reading shit on the internets, but you got me with this one, Ace.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at February 07, 2018 05:48 PM (398bZ)
Michael Isikoff is the co-author on an upcoming book with David Corn entitled; Russian Roulette: The Inside Story of Putin's War on America and the Election of Donald Trump, scheduled for publication on March 20, 2018.
The publisher may want to take back any advances they paid out for this piece of crap.
Posted by: Cheri at February 07, 2018 05:48 PM (oiNtH)
Posted by: Deplorable Redneck Bitter Clinger at February 07, 2018 05:48 PM (iiixZ)
Posted by: rhomboid at February 07, 2018 05:48 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Momk at February 07, 2018 05:48 PM (g4lFK)
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 07, 2018 05:49 PM (4e+hS)
*slurp slurp smack slurp*
*mmph slurp swirl slurp*
Posted by: Wun Williams at February 07, 2018 05:49 PM (x25VP)
Ha.
There is a wikileaks email out there somewhere showing that Isikoff was very tight with the DNC and Hillary. Like in the tank tight.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 07, 2018 05:49 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Weasel at February 07, 2018 05:49 PM (d3bXz)
BSG, which parts? Specifically.
That there exists a place called "Russia." And there really is a person called Putin.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at February 07, 2018 05:50 PM (9aPjE)
In case anyone here is unclear, the Steele Dossier is a fiction. It has zero factual content of any kind. If anyone disagrees with that, he or she is urged to show specifically what part(s) is/are true and show who confirmed it and when.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 05:50 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: whig at February 07, 2018 05:50 PM (acrHV)
Posted by: eleven at February 07, 2018 05:51 PM (+lOpA)
Shut it down.
Posted by: Momk at February 07, 2018 05:51 PM (g4lFK)
Posted by: bonhomme at February 07, 2018 05:51 PM (iv0p7)
Happen to know one of the people who passed along the Shearer crap, I think. How bout that. Strange guy, very zealous, but never one of the sleazy operators back then.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 07, 2018 05:51 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at February 07, 2018 05:51 PM (89T5c)
Shut it down.
Posted by: Momk at February 07, 2018 05:51 PM (g4lFK)
I was waiting for one of them to tell Schiff "FRANK RIZZO!"
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 05:51 PM (mbhDw)
Note to dog lovers: I did not say flaming Toto GIF.
Posted by: eleven at February 07, 2018 05:46 PM (+lOpA)
I bless the flames down in Africa.
Posted by: Toto at February 07, 2018 05:51 PM (CPk08)
Posted by: tbodie at February 07, 2018 05:52 PM (WDy4l)
______________________
Better: There is PROOF of this and it's in the hands of people who want to do something about it.
Posted by: Lizzy
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Urban legends that's all they are. Make a prosecution.
Get a conviction then come talk to me. Until then bring me another Tom Collins.
Posted by: Lawyered Up at February 07, 2018 05:52 PM (mMMjw)
Posted by: rhomboid at February 07, 2018 05:52 PM (QDnY+)
And THAT is why Assange suggested Trump (in response to this morning's all caps tweet) that he cross-reference the Weiner laptop contact list with his email leak db.
Posted by: Lizzy at February 07, 2018 05:52 PM (W+vEI)
Posted by: bonhomme at February 07, 2018 05:52 PM (iv0p7)
Posted by: Momk at February 07, 2018 05:52 PM (g4lFK)
Carter Page was a member of the Clinton administration Transition Team.
Carter Page previously worked with the Clinton Administration transition team in 1992-1993 while serving as a Research Fellow on the House Armed Services Committee (HASC) on Capitol Hill. During his Fellowship, HASC Chairman Les Aspin was selected by President Clinton as the Secretary of Defense in December 1992. From May 1993- December 1994, Carter went on to serve as the Arms Control Action Officer for Counterproliferation Policy in the Nuclear Affairs and International Negotiations Branch of the Navy Staff in the Pentagon.
Posted by: B at February 07, 2018 05:52 PM (x25VP)
Here is the wikileaks email. Check out the reference to Manafot as well.
Also look at the date.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 07, 2018 05:52 PM (/tuJf)
hear the lamentations of their numales
Posted by: x at February 07, 2018 05:53 PM (nFwvY)
Shut it down.
Posted by: Momk at February 07, 2018 05:51 PM (g4lFK)
Susan is sipping on his penis.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 05:53 PM (mbhDw)
Yes, the Dossier said that Carter Page went to Russia.
And Carter Page admitted that he did go to Russia. In fact, he told everyone he knew that he was going to Russia before he went.
And that's about it.
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 07, 2018 05:53 PM (k1TUh)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 07, 2018 05:53 PM (r+sAi)
Ha.
There is a wikileaks email out there somewhere showing that Isikoff was very tight with the DNC and Hillary. Like in the tank tight.
Posted by: JackStraw
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This was a secret?
Posted by: Live at Five at February 07, 2018 05:54 PM (mMMjw)
Posted by: Just Wondering at February 07, 2018 05:54 PM (qlTN9)
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - NOW WITH VIP at February 07, 2018 05:54 PM (aRDor)
Posted by: Lou Grant at February 07, 2018 05:54 PM (IqV8l)
Shut it down.
Posted by: Momk at February 07, 2018 05:51 PM (g4lFK)
I was waiting for one of them to tell Schiff "FRANK RIZZO!"
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 05:51 PM (mbhDw)
LOL!
That audio will never get old. I'm still laughing and listening to it. It's unbelievable!
Posted by: Momk at February 07, 2018 05:55 PM (g4lFK)
Posted by: eleven at February 07, 2018 05:55 PM (+lOpA)
But if I don't start seeing perp-walks - and of high freaking level folks and not some poor sacrificial hack riding the cubicle farm in the basement somewhere - my pitchfork is getting sharpened to razor-level.
Posted by: DocJ at February 07, 2018 05:55 PM (7bkOX)
And he claims to have been a "witness" in the Buryakov sting in 2013, even though the leaked description of the sting said that recording devices secreted in binders yielded the key evidence - and Page said he gave Buryakov some binders of his NYU course material (energy biz). Of course the "recording devices" part, or the binders detail, could be false.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 07, 2018 05:55 PM (QDnY+)
LOL!
That audio will never get old. I'm still laughing and listening to it. It's unbelievable!
Posted by: Momk at February 07, 2018 05:55 PM (g4lFK)
Having not heard it now for well over 20 years, looking back it was an office favorite for a while.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 05:56 PM (mbhDw)
Binders full of bullshit!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 05:56 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: B at February 07, 2018 05:56 PM (x25VP)
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at February 07, 2018 05:56 PM (398bZ)
Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto at February 07, 2018 05:57 PM (e9G8E)
Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 07, 2018 05:57 PM (7LY+6)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 07, 2018 05:57 PM (6Ll1u)
Posted by: x at February 07, 2018 05:58 PM (nFwvY)
Posted by: eleven at February 07, 2018 05:58 PM (+lOpA)
Why Meuller is not wrapping this bullsh*t up only means that he is a partisan.
There is simply no "there, there".
At this juncture, knowing the illegal nature of all of the initial underpinning of this "investigation" an honorable prosecutor would wrap it up, drop all pending BS procedure charges and issue a statement recommending that the people who put this BS before the FISA court be prosecuted.
Posted by: Publius Redux at February 07, 2018 05:58 PM (0YSzp)
In any case, so what?
Turns out I am not completely unfamiliar with some of these things, and I don't believe a couple of meetings of this type (which were on-topic for Page's business and background, anyway) would be any part of any serious request for surveillance of the type under discussion.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 07, 2018 05:58 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at February 07, 2018 05:58 PM (eAMlh)
Posted by: IC at February 07, 2018 05:58 PM (a0IVu)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at February 07, 2018 05:58 PM (89T5c)
I predict lots of hand-waving and evasive maneuvers.
Posted by: T at February 07, 2018 05:58 PM (MmeCn)
Hey hey hey! I identify as a vegetable now.
Quit deadnaming me, h8r!
Posted by: Vegetable with seeds intact at February 07, 2018 05:58 PM (RMlYr)
Posted by: Team Hillary! and the #NeverTrumpers at February 07, 2018 05:58 PM (H8S+R)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 07, 2018 05:57 PM (6Ll1u)
As I said a few days ago, I tend to agree with this, sadly. But on a positive note, all of this criminality is out in the open, and the media is not going to be able to cover it up. Many more people now are aware of the Deep State and the corruption.
Something will change. How that happens and what happens is anyone's guess.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 05:59 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: Motionview at February 07, 2018 06:00 PM (pYQR/)
Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at February 07, 2018 05:58 PM (eAMlh)
We crossed that Rubicon 10 clicks back.
Posted by: eleven at February 07, 2018 06:00 PM (+lOpA)
Posted by: x at February 07, 2018 06:00 PM (nFwvY)
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at February 07, 2018 06:00 PM (398bZ)
There will always be taboo war profiteering because reasons. So White Hats are trying to have a change of power without too much chaos against the Black Hats.
Posted by: Monk at February 07, 2018 06:01 PM (g4lFK)
Binders went to Sporyshew who was not who Page gave his binders to.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - NOW WITH VIP at February 07, 2018 06:01 PM (aRDor)
I plan to spittle-fleck with reckless abandon. Harrumph! And make my smug more punchable.
Posted by: Bill Kristol at February 07, 2018 06:01 PM (H8S+R)
Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 07, 2018 05:57 PM (7LY+6)
Difficult on matryoshka doll...
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 06:01 PM (mbhDw)
From McClatchy,
Background on Carter Page
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article144722444.html
Toward the end of the article.
BTW, according to Wikipedia, he served as an intelligence officer for UN Peacekeeping force while in the military.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carter_Page
Hmm, smells like deep state to me.
Posted by: whig at February 07, 2018 06:01 PM (acrHV)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 07, 2018 06:01 PM (r+sAi)
Have you been sipping on so much Democrat Dick you've become spunk-drunk?
Couldn't have said it any better myself.
Posted by: Shemp! at February 07, 2018 05:42 PM (Tyii7)
Pure penis poetry.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at February 07, 2018 06:01 PM (8iiMU)
Posted by: Lurking Canuck at February 07, 2018 06:01 PM (wEG78)
They were deep in treasonous activities from the beginning and darn well knew about it.
Every single one of them needs to go to prison. And every single one of them, should they go to prison, should be thankful they weren't handed a much more severe penalty.
Posted by: Blake at February 07, 2018 06:02 PM (WEBkv)
Posted by: x at February 07, 2018 06:02 PM (nFwvY)
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Hates his tweets, we does , Precious.
Hateses the Tweetses, oh yes. HATE. HATE , The Tweetses.
Posted by: nevertrumpum at February 07, 2018 06:02 PM (x25VP)
Nope.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 07, 2018 06:02 PM (7LY+6)
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Someone go up to Schitt & say Relax Sizzlechest
Posted by: MISHBOT at February 07, 2018 06:02 PM (y3aQB)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 07, 2018 06:01 PM (r+sAi)
Define "government." Our's or their's?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 06:02 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: kallisto at February 07, 2018 06:03 PM (UsFoH)
Jimmy Doolittle is one of the most remarkable of Americans, truly.
Test pilot, set speed records.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 07, 2018 06:03 PM (pV/54)
Director Comey stated that the FBI included the dossier allegations about Carter Page in the FISA applications because Mr. Steele himself was considered reliable due to his past work with the Bureau.
Was that past work with the Burea when he was with MI6? Because that is very different than being a free lance hired gun peddling smut for fun and profit
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at February 07, 2018 06:03 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: 5/8 Mexican at February 07, 2018 06:03 PM (MoOC7)
I didn't get a harrumph outta that guy...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 07, 2018 06:04 PM (7LY+6)
Groping Joe, why don't you go back to the playroom and sharpen your pencils while the adults figure this all out, mmkay?
Posted by: Cheri at February 07, 2018 06:04 PM (oiNtH)
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 07, 2018 06:04 PM (k1TUh)
Posted by: kallisto at February 07, 2018 06:03 PM (UsFoH)
*recalls youth when young Sefton used to run off Momma Sefton's test on Rex-o-graph machine at home*
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 06:04 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: T at February 07, 2018 06:04 PM (MmeCn)
Posted by: free tibet, with purchase of equal or greater value tibet at February 07, 2018 06:05 PM (CL76w)
Remember, media = DNC. So, no, there is no bridge too far. They are synonymous. If anything, they make the arguments on behalf of the DNC (which is still to say they regurgitate themselves, so to speak).
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at February 07, 2018 06:05 PM (H8S+R)
But, to Weasel's lament about complex scandals, it gets worse, and we already know it. There's a pretty much entirely separate scandal involving NSA queries, outside contractors, and unmaskings, which was contemporaneous with the "Russia!" idiocy.
And just saw a clip of Atkisson on TV today - what sound like multiple senior intel types told her that the abuse of the FISA process has been serious and dates back 10 - 20 years.
So - it will keep getting worse as more as revealed.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 07, 2018 06:05 PM (QDnY+)
Jimmy Doolittle is one of the most remarkable of Americans, truly.
Test pilot, set speed records.
Aeronautical engineer, invented instrument flying.
Medal of Honor, Conceived, led and successfully executed one of the most audacious operations in military history.
No wonder MacArthur didn't want him, so that Doolittle had to serve out the rest of the war in Europe.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 07, 2018 06:06 PM (pV/54)
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - NOW WITH VIP at February 07, 2018 05:47 PM (aRDor)
Holy shit, you're not Lester Holt so don't try to sell that shit here. The points we are making:
1) The FBI was tapping Carter Page back in March 2016 as an undercover informant, so there is no way in hell they were unaware of his capabilities and loyalties.
2) The actual "dossier" outlines a harebrained scheme in which Vlad Putin promised Carter Page more than half a bilion dollars- all of Russia's foreign reserve, btw- if Trump could lift sanctions.
3) Have you ever heard Carter Page talk? I wouldn't trust him to shine my shoes well.
4) The thrust of Page's testimony is that he wa scompletelt innocent of the ridiculous allegations against him.
But do go on about the corroborations. No doubt he was helpful in pointing out there is a country called Russia.
Posted by: trev006 at February 07, 2018 06:06 PM (j3MuL)
Posted by: IC at February 07, 2018 05:58 PM (a0IVu)
What does that sound like?
"So Mable told me, told me that the rutabagas had gone bad, and we, we decided that Esther would have to go back Charlie's farm, you know, out near the place where the Texaco station was...no not that one, the one with the colored fella who was always so nice, and anyway, where was I? Oh yeah, Esther, she didn't want to go, what with her bad hip and all, but we need rutabagas to stuff into our pillow cases so we can, uh, understand the marshmallow cookies in the back forty purple manure floppy flowers...I smell bread."
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Fourth Earl of Reltney at February 07, 2018 06:06 PM (xPJvm)
Posted by: josephistan at February 07, 2018 06:06 PM (ANIFC)
Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 07, 2018 06:06 PM (7LY+6)
Posted by: T at February 07, 2018 06:04 PM (MmeCn)
Hot Air is a complete joke. Best to avoid.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 06:06 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 07, 2018 06:07 PM (EoRCO)
Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 07, 2018 06:07 PM (V3U1L)
Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at February 07, 2018 06:07 PM (eASYU)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 06:01 PM (mbhDw)
In Russia doll touch you!
Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at February 07, 2018 06:07 PM (hMwEB)
Grand Inquisitor Mueller had better start spouting some "18 USC..." to explain the initiation and continuance of his meandering shit-rodeo.
Posted by: B at February 07, 2018 06:07 PM (x25VP)
If you shoot at the king, you better not miss?
It has been slow motion, but they fucked up so bad that the only chance of getting away with it was having Hillary win. When she didn't, their fate was sealed.
The could have limited the damage by coming clean and hoping Trump would let them just leave with the new administration. But no, in their arrogance they actually thought they could pull off a coup.
Really just wishcasting, they couldn't believe that if they dug enough that they couldn't find something to trigger impeachment.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at February 07, 2018 06:07 PM (DB+mR)
Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 07, 2018 06:07 PM (V3U1L)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 07, 2018 06:07 PM (6Ll1u)
It's no flaming Toto skull, but The Daily Mail's mummified dog in a tree trunk is nightmarish,
Posted by: Captain Hammer's groupies at February 07, 2018 06:08 PM (At5sP)
Posted by: Shemp! at February 07, 2018 06:08 PM (Tyii7)
Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 07, 2018 06:08 PM (V3U1L)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at February 07, 2018 06:08 PM (89T5c)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at February 07, 2018 06:08 PM (3BFzK)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc at February 07, 2018 06:08 PM (c/EDo)
Maybe not what it seems.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 07, 2018 06:09 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Insomniac at February 07, 2018 06:09 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: garrett at February 07, 2018 06:09 PM (ZWdwN)
Posted by: Anon a mouse at February 07, 2018 06:09 PM (7LY+6)
There has never been a bigger political scandal in American history.
Posted by: 18-1 at February 07, 2018 06:09 PM (Z8FFX)
Yeah, MI6 might want to revisit everything Steele touched when he was with them. Kinda think there might be a trail of sh*t they've been stepping in and tracking through the halls.
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at February 07, 2018 06:09 PM (H8S+R)
they prob should have denied with prejudice. "how dare you spy on a presidential candidate?"
Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 07, 2018 06:09 PM (V3U1L)
Posted by: Commenter at February 07, 2018 06:09 PM (wEG78)
Posted by: Winona Ryder at February 07, 2018 06:09 PM (3BFzK)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 07, 2018 05:57 PM (6Ll1u)
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As I said a few days ago, I tend to agree with this, sadly. But on a positive note, all of this criminality is out in the open,...
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We will write the history and teach your children.
Your children and grandchildren will look at you and call you liar.
What you see is not history it is tinder for our kindling.
Posted by: Live at Five at February 07, 2018 06:09 PM (mMMjw)
Posted by: AltonJackson at February 07, 2018 06:10 PM (KCxzN)
DC is infected with a cancer, and it's the Deep State. Along with trials and convictions with real hard sentences, whole agencies need to be abolished or restructured/decentralized in such a way that this crap cannot happen again.
Sadly, I don't see it happening although I am glad that this crap is coming to light.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 06:10 PM (mbhDw)
Mollie Hemingway: The Grassley/Graham Memo is Even More Damaging Than the Nunes Memo, and Obliterates Many of the Progressives' and NeverTrumpers' Key Wishcasting Defenses of the FISA Application
They've learned from Breitbart and O'Keefe.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 07, 2018 06:10 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 07, 2018 06:10 PM (xJa6I)
Posted by: JackStraw at February 07, 2018 06:09 PM (/tuJf)
I thought you were Pollyannainsh to the point of insanity before. Now I am not sure. If I was Mueller I'd be selling off assets and making plans for fleeing to Berlin.
Posted by: trev006 at February 07, 2018 06:11 PM (j3MuL)
THIS. This right here. Those 48 words up there. THAT.
And so far, the "indictments" that Bob Mueller, your State Farm Agent has generated have been, how you say, bullshit process stuff that is as related to Putin and Trump's plot to shiv us all with a T-34 as I am to that dude with the hair on Ancient Aliens.
If there were allthisevidencewewhatusbumpkinsdon'tknow, why would the special counsel need to question ANYONE???? Do you question the Gambinos or El Chapo or Bernie Effing Madoff before the indictment? NO.
I would add one more thing to Ace's probative statement about no probative anything in this episode: For any of it to hold water, Mike Pence, Joe Mattis, Steve Mnuchin, Jeff Sessions, Rex Tillerson, and John Kelly have to be in on it. And none of THAT has leaked. It is time for this attempted coup to end.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 07, 2018 06:11 PM (p8Rx3)
It's not really pertinent, and my point was that Page does not clarify very much when he opens his mouth, and has the most insouciant reaction to being accused of espionage for a foreign power that I've ever seen. It's all odd.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 07, 2018 06:11 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: steevy at February 07, 2018 06:11 PM (LiyEm)
Posted by: JackStraw
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going through everything every trumpian has said or done to find one of the 17 crimes a day every American commits? so as to do the squeeze on them?
that's kewl. But did he spend a minute invesitgatin' the podesta emails or whatever the fuck it is we're supposed top pretend the russians did?
Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 07, 2018 06:11 PM (V3U1L)
Posted by: IC at February 07, 2018 05:58 PM (a0IVu)
What does that sound like?
"So Mable told me, told me that the rutabagas had gone bad, and we, we decided that Esther would have to go back Charlie's farm, you know, out near the place where the Texaco station was...no not that one, the one with the colored fella who was always so nice, and anyway, where was I? Oh yeah, Esther, she didn't want to go, what with her bad hip and all, but we need rutabagas to stuff into our pillow cases so we can, uh, understand the marshmallow cookies in the back forty purple manure floppy flowers...I smell bread."
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Fourth Earl of Reltney at February 07, 2018 06:06 PM (xPJvm)
"That reminds me of the time the time I caught the ferry to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for m'shoe. So I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. "Gimme five bees for a quarter," you'd say. Now where were we... oh yeah. The important thing was that I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. I didn't have any white onions, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones..."
Posted by: josephistan at February 07, 2018 06:11 PM (ANIFC)
Posted by: Winona Ryder at February 07, 2018 06:09 PM
Sorry you old hag, but no excuse. Go bowling 10 miles from your home, rub some dirt in it, and walk it off.
Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at February 07, 2018 06:12 PM (2FqvZ)
And then, when said candidate won, unmasked surveilled citizens and distributed the information throughout numerous personnel for distribution against the new sitting President.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 07, 2018 06:12 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 07, 2018 06:12 PM (V3U1L)
Any minute now...
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football Forever at February 07, 2018 06:12 PM (ks6bw)
If you shoot at the king, you better not miss?
It has been slow motion, but they fucked up so bad that the only chance of getting away with it was having Hillary win. When she didn't, their fate was sealed.
The could have limited the damage by coming clean and hoping Trump would let them just leave with the new administration. But no, in their arrogance they actually thought they could pull off a coup.
Really just wishcasting, they couldn't believe that if they dug enough that they couldn't find something to trigger impeachment.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at February 07, 2018 06:07 PM (DB+mR)
This is why I fully expect +25% fraud or more to give the Dims the House and tilt the Senate.
The GOPe is doing nothing to fight against the obvious fraud that has taken place in these special elections.
Posted by: Monk at February 07, 2018 06:12 PM (g4lFK)
This is going to get so much better. This is nothing.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 07, 2018 06:13 PM (/tuJf)
all this for the illegals.
I hope the GOPe wants to win in 2018 and starts using this stuff as ammo.
Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 07, 2018 06:13 PM (V3U1L)
Posted by: Notorious BotFD at February 07, 2018 06:13 PM (Tyii7)
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I believe the goal is to get a process crime in place, just like with Scooter Libby.
"Colluding with Russia" isn't a crime, but perjury is. And Mueller wants to get Trump to testify...under oath...which opens him up to perjury.
So, if Trump went to a party where the Russian Ambassador was also in 2006 and Trump forgets...perjury.
Posted by: 18-1 at February 07, 2018 06:13 PM (Z8FFX)
Posted by: rhomboid at February 07, 2018 06:13 PM (QDnY+)
There has never been a bigger political scandal in American history.
Posted by: 18-1 at February 07, 2018 06:09 PM (Z8FFX)
I'd actually be surprised if it never happened before.
I wouldn't hold my breath looking for criminal convictions, BTW. But that's just me.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 07, 2018 06:13 PM (CPk08)
This.
For all the spectacle of Trump, they haven't found anything on the guy. It's quite incredible.
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at February 07, 2018 06:13 PM (H8S+R)
They were doing the spying to find something criminal to fry Trump with after Hillary won. As a message to anyone outside the closed, rigged system to not even think of running.
Nice life you have there, be a shame if something happened to it.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 07, 2018 06:13 PM (pV/54)
*wiggles fingers*
nerdle erdle erdle erdle erdle erdle
Posted by: Never-Trumper accusing YOU of being a retarded lunatic at February 07, 2018 06:14 PM (jh+j6)
that's a paddlin'.
Posted by: Jasper at February 07, 2018 06:14 PM (ZWdwN)
Whoa, 10-20 years?
So possibly before 9/11 and in the years following when everyone was all freaked about the Patriot Act giving the feds the ability to view their freakin' library history?
How would this not be leaked under Bush? There were several yuge leaks about Bush's anti-terror surveillance programs, even the papers tracking plans to ID rendition activities, the identities of terrorist interrogators - but this wasn't leaked?
Maybe because the Bush WH wasn't involved, or that it didn't kick into high gear until January 2009?
Posted by: Lizzy at February 07, 2018 06:14 PM (W+vEI)
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Shit like that is why I love this place.
Posted by: Winona Ryder at February 07, 2018 06:14 PM (3BFzK)
***
I believe the goal is to get a process crime in place, just like with Scooter Libby.
I agree. That's all they've got, and they've known all along that's all they've got.
Posted by: Insomniac at February 07, 2018 06:14 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Jeff SezZzions at February 07, 2018 06:14 PM (Tyii7)
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Shivering whilst hopping all around. at February 07, 2018 06:15 PM (dEQP3)
Posted by: Tom Servo at February 07, 2018 06:15 PM (k1TUh)
Posted by: garrett at February 07, 2018 06:16 PM (ZWdwN)
For all the spectacle of Trump, they haven't found anything on the guy. It's quite incredible.
Cleaner than McCain. Cleaner than Mitt.
Hell , he's cleaner than W.
Posted by: B at February 07, 2018 06:16 PM (x25VP)
Her depends must be nearing critical mass.
Posted by: garrett at February 07, 2018 06:16 PM (ZWdwN)
She changes them once a week whether she needs to or not.
Posted by: Insomniac at February 07, 2018 06:16 PM (NWiLs)
And that was the reason for all of this. They will not be denied their right and power to choose who among them will run this country; that is, who will be seen as the illusory "people's choice."
Trump is a mortal threat to their power and the plot against him was to utterly destroy him even if he lost so as to dissuade any outsider from ever attempting to try and do what he did.
And beyond their failure to take him out, Trump must not fail in utterly vanquishing them and not leaving any vestige of their power structure.
How he does that I have no idea.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 06:16 PM (mbhDw)
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50 years from now people will be trying to figure out how to insist he was a (D) for his first year and an (R) for all the rest.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football Forever at February 07, 2018 06:17 PM (ks6bw)
Posted by: garrett at February 07, 2018 06:16 PM (ZWdwN)
"MY DEPENDS HAS LOST CONTAINMENT!!"
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Fourth Earl of Reltney at February 07, 2018 06:17 PM (xPJvm)
I don't know that mueller is going to investigate anything his butt buddy comey has done, but he sure seems to think maybe he gave flynn a bad rap.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 07, 2018 06:17 PM (r+sAi)
Come-on Ace... It's all over the right-wing blogosphere... Please make a post on this... It's looking more and more legit as time goes on and new details are emerging, such as the fact that Carter Page worked for the Clinton's back in 92 and then went on to work in the Pentagon.
"Carter Page previously worked with the Clinton Administration transition team in 1992-1993 while serving as a Research Fellow on the House Armed Services Committee (HASC) on Capitol Hill. During his Fellowship, HASC Chairman Les Aspin was selected by President Clinton as the Secretary of Defense in December 1992. From May 1993 - December 1994, Carter went on to serve as the Arms Control Action Officer for Counterproliferation Policy in the Nuclear Affairs and International Negotiations Branch of the Navy Staff in the Pentagon."
The guy was and still is a fucking spook, and the FBI purposefully panted him on the Trump campaign in an effort to not only create the "shady Russia" connection they needed for a FISA warrant, but also to pro-actively try and ENTRAP Trump by tasking Page with trying to set-up meetings with Russian agents so that they could then hold that up as evidence of Russia collusion. The same way they tried when they ambushed DTJr with the Natalia Veselnitskaya under false pretenses.
THIS, event more than the Dossier, SHOWS that this entire farce was a coordinated OP from the very beginning, and it needs to be trumpted from the rooftops. This is the smoking gun that takes it from criminal to straight-up treasonous.
Posted by: I smell something rotten at February 07, 2018 06:17 PM (iWzUm)
The RNC was under court order to not engage in ballot security measures for over 30 yrs. https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/09/rnc-ballot-security-consent-decree-328995
That order just ended in January 2018.
Posted by: whig at February 07, 2018 06:18 PM (acrHV)
But.
They.
Just.
Can't.
Help.
Themselves!
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at February 07, 2018 06:18 PM (3BFzK)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football Forever at February 07, 2018 06:18 PM (ks6bw)
Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 07, 2018 06:19 PM (V3U1L)
Posted by: garrett at February 07, 2018 06:16 PM
five bees gets you a quarter that she went the Abortion Barbie route & has a catheter
Posted by: AltonJackson at February 07, 2018 06:19 PM (KCxzN)
Posted by: davidt at February 07, 2018 06:19 PM (kyG8i)
There ought to be a monument to him erected somewhere.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 07, 2018 06:19 PM (EoRCO)
Posted by: rhomboid at February 07, 2018 06:19 PM (QDnY+)
I mean, rudy and Christie are tanned, rested and ready.
Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 07, 2018 06:20 PM (V3U1L)
Posted by: Hillary at February 07, 2018 06:20 PM (b47z7)
Posted by: x at February 07, 2018 06:20 PM (nFwvY)
My schadenboner is fairly erect at the moment.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 07, 2018 06:20 PM (/tuJf)
Jimmy Doolittle is one of the most remarkable of Americans, truly.
Test pilot, set speed records.
Aeronautical engineer, invented instrument flying.
Medal of Honor, Conceived, led and successfully executed one of the most audacious operations in military history.
No wonder MacArthur didn't want him, so that Doolittle had to serve out the rest of the war in Europe.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 07, 2018 06:06 PM (pV/54)
I read Target Tokyo, Dolittle also before the war engineered fuel for aircraft to make the planes have less problems, run better and have more output. I guess before their really wasn't a air plane fuel.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at February 07, 2018 06:20 PM (dKiJG)
Posted by: garrett at February 07, 2018 06:16 PM (ZWdwN)
"MY DEPENDS HAS LOST CONTAINMENT!!"
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Fourth Earl of Reltney at February 07, 2018 06:17 PM (xPJvm)
The center can not hold.
Posted by: eleven at February 07, 2018 06:20 PM (+lOpA)
We now know that Hillary Clinton, through Fusion GPS colluded with Russian interests to acquire evidence that Trump was colluding with Russian interests when he asked Russia to release the emails they were widely believe to have gotten from Hillary Clinton through her use of a illegal hidden server.
Posted by: 18-1 at February 07, 2018 06:21 PM (Z8FFX)
the cop smells spunk on his breath, and administers a breathalyzer
test... what is the legal limit bloob-spunk level for being arrested for
spunk-drunk driving?
Posted by: davidt at February 07, 2018 06:19 PM (kyG8i)"
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Little known federal law, you can drive with over a .5% Blood Spunk level.
What gets you in trouble is the spunk vision test they can give you.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at February 07, 2018 06:21 PM (3BFzK)
hah, i will too!
Posted by: ace at February 07, 2018 06:22 PM (8rNrN)
Posted by: garrett at February 07, 2018 06:16 PM (ZWdwN)
She changes them once a week whether she needs to or not.
Posted by: Insomniac at February 07, 2018 06:16 PM (NWiLs)
She's gonna blow cap'n.
Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at February 07, 2018 06:22 PM (eAMlh)
Posted by: garrett at February 07, 2018 06:16 PM (ZWdwN)
"MY DEPENDS HAS LOST CONTAINMENT!!"
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Fourth Earl of Reltney at February 07, 2018 06:17 PM (xPJvm)
The center can not hold.
Posted by: eleven at February 07, 2018 06:20 PM (+lOpA)
I'd be more worried about the edges.
Posted by: buzzion at February 07, 2018 06:22 PM (lKs2v)
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - NOW WITH VIP at February 07, 2018 06:22 PM (aRDor)
How he does that I have no idea.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 06:16 PM (mbhDw)
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Catch me if you can.
Posted by: I Own the Law at February 07, 2018 06:22 PM (mMMjw)
The RNC was under court order to not engage in ballot security measures for over 30 yrs. https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/09/rnc-ballot-security-consent-decree-328995
That order just ended in January 2018.
Posted by: whig at February 07, 2018 06:18 PM (acrHV)
You just activated my almonds.
Posted by: Monk at February 07, 2018 06:23 PM (g4lFK)
Finishing in the top ten percent of his 1993 class at Annapolis indicates that Carter must not be too stupid as well as his apparent CFR fellowship later if wikipedia is correct.
Posted by: whig at February 07, 2018 06:23 PM (acrHV)
"MY DEPENDS HAS LOST CONTAINMENT!!"
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Fourth Earl of Reltney at February 07, 2018 06:17 PM (xPJvm)
The center can not hold.
Posted by: eleven at February 07, 2018 06:20 PM (+lOpA)
I'd be more worried about the edges.
Posted by: buzzion at February 07, 2018 06:22 PM (lKs2v)
More leaks are inevitable.
Posted by: Insomniac at February 07, 2018 06:23 PM (NWiLs)
Come-on Ace... It's all over the right-wing blogosphere... Please make a post on this... It's looking more and more legit as time goes on and new details are emerging, such as the fact that Carter Page worked for the Clinton's back in 92 and then went on to work in the Pentagon.
...
if it's at GP and that kind of blog, no thanks, they post a lot of stuff that is not well evidenced.
Posted by: ace at February 07, 2018 06:23 PM (8rNrN)
It's the same reason any unethical litigant conceals material information from the court:
Because they know the truth would hurt them.
So they lie."
right, and for the FISC especially, where they are supposedly catching foreign spies, and masking any Americans that get caught up in it. AND the Americans being abused have no recourse, no voice at the court. (there is a Latin phrase for this too, meaning something like "only one side")
So it is not a prosecutor trying to win a case, there is a higher duty to present all sides. And our dear FBI has a tradition of framing and abusing innocents to get what they want, and they now brazenly threaten the president and congress.
Mueller especially is a dog on this ... using dogs to prosecute the wrong man (who later got $7M or so for Mueller's harm) and Mueller never apologized, said he did nothing wrong ... arrogant jerk still claiming to be a saint. (that story is from Levin) They need prison, or the nation is lost.
Posted by: illiniwek at February 07, 2018 06:23 PM (bT8Z4)
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wow...it's almost as if hillary's incessant whining about collusion ended up showing her collusion.
I just wish there were some sort of means to disseminate this info...instead of Gowdy praising mueller.
Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 07, 2018 06:23 PM (V3U1L)
Posted by: Shemp!
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I haven't posted this quote from Mickey Spillanes's 'One Lonely Night' in months, but here it is again:
"I killed more people tonight than I have fingers on my hand. I shot them in cold blood and enjoyed every minute of it. I pumped slugs in the nastiest bunch of bastards you ever saw and here I am calmer than I’ve ever been, and happy too. They were Communists, Lee. They were red sons of bitches who should have died long ago…"
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc at February 07, 2018 06:24 PM (nBBdT)
Book smarts are not the same as common sense or good judgment.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - NOW WITH VIP at February 07, 2018 06:24 PM (aRDor)
Feed Hillary vodka?
I honestly don't understand.
Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at February 07, 2018 06:24 PM (eAMlh)
Posted by: AltonJackson at February 07, 2018 06:24 PM (KCxzN)
The RNC was under court order to not engage in ballot security measures for over 30 yrs.
That order just ended in January 2018.
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back when GOPe let the alinsky's dictate policy...up until a week ago. hmm. sad.
Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 07, 2018 06:25 PM (V3U1L)
I will ask that gang about this Gateway Pundit stuff and see what they say.
Posted by: ace at February 07, 2018 06:25 PM (8rNrN)
But, do they DoublePost it?
Posted by: garrett at February 07, 2018 06:25 PM (ZWdwN)
There was, apparently, NO verified information provided to the FISC to get a warrant for Page. THAT is all that matters. Misrepresenting their information to the court by the agencies is all that matters.
He's who he appears to be, he's a "deep state" intel "plant" - doesn't affect the little problem the DOJ/FBI have at the FISC. Irrelevant. Even if he *were* an intel operative for the US, wouldn't matter. He was presented as a suspect for espionage for someone else - without evidence, and apparently with major violations of proper procedure. That's where the criminal liability lies.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 07, 2018 06:25 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: A. Fredo Pundit at February 07, 2018 06:25 PM (SkuXa)
Posted by: whig at February 07, 2018 06:25 PM (acrHV)
Runs as fast as he can but you know it is true.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at February 07, 2018 06:25 PM (3BFzK)
Posted by: Insomniac at February 07, 2018 06:26 PM (NWiLs)
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right. he ain't in jail...is he?
Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 07, 2018 06:26 PM (V3U1L)
is this the opening that has the good stuff about the driving rain?
does it go, "No one ever walked through the rain on a night like tonight" or something?
Posted by: ace at February 07, 2018 06:26 PM (8rNrN)
Yeah, the whole thing was unbelievable. We were attacked on 9/11, so Bush and our IC come up with ways to ID terrorists and partner with other countries to share info, and then...a$$holes in FBI(?) decide to leak it all to the press because they hate Bush, and at least to me, they and the Dems/MSM want another 9/11 so they can sink Bush with it (or at minimum, scare people about his surveillance programs, gin up ACLU, etc.).
I can see them creating this capability in the years immediately after 9/11, but I just don't see it being unleashed until Obama simply because everyone was fighting every avenue of terror attack prevention pursued by Bush.
Even after Obama got in office one of the 1st things he did was have Holder release the Bush-era enhanced interrogation memos.
I bet they discovered the FISA query capabilities and immediately started using it, granting their friends access to it.
Posted by: Lizzy at February 07, 2018 06:26 PM (W+vEI)
It's the same reason any unethical litigant conceals material information from the court:
Because they know the truth would hurt them.
So they lie."
Hey. Hey, hey, Lannie Davis was on Hannity today saying the very most important thing to do is to tell the truth.
Posted by: I Own the Law at February 07, 2018 06:27 PM (mMMjw)
In the affected agencies, I'd fire every lifer above a certain pay grade.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 07, 2018 06:27 PM (pV/54)
Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at February 07, 2018 06:27 PM (eAMlh)
It's like the Valerie Plame bullshit all over again ... except this time it's far worse crimes committed by the prosecutor (and all else involved). Everyone knows it's total bullshit (and have known from the start) but on it goes ...
I can't wait for the GQ covers and movies to start coming out about this in a few years. Naomi Watts can play Robert Mueller this time.
I want to see some treason charges brought at the end of all this. I'm sure I'll be disappointed but those are the only reasonable conclusions that this can have. And they have to go all the way up to Barky, as he was the real center and instigator of the treasonous Ameria-hating feral government of all those years.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 07, 2018 06:28 PM (8gDQu)
*wiggles fingers*
nerdle erdle erdle erdle erdle erdle
Posted by: Never-Trumper accusing YOU of being a retarded lunatic at February 07, 2018 06:14 PM (jh+j6)
Is this the argle bargle argle bargle ?
Posted by: Monk at February 07, 2018 06:28 PM (g4lFK)
I will ask that gang about this Gateway Pundit stuff and see what they say.
Posted by: ace at February 07, 2018 06:25 PM (8rNrN)
So you are 'hype men' for each other?
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 07, 2018 06:28 PM (2iZKp)
Posted by: ace at February 07, 2018 06:23 PM (8rNrN)
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It's at Conservative Tree House.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at February 07, 2018 06:28 PM (jh+j6)
Posted by: Monk at February 07, 2018 06:28 PM (g4lFK)
Ahh MUDs. That takes me back.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 07, 2018 06:29 PM (2iZKp)
Posted by: rickl at February 07, 2018 06:29 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at February 07, 2018 06:29 PM (0OmEj)
Posted by: Jean at February 07, 2018 06:30 PM (25eQd)
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When I saw that, I glanced up at the bookshelf, where resides the copy of "Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo", which my dad gave when I was about 10 years old.
My dad was a primary training flight instructor during in the war. He loved flying, and had his own hall of heroes.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc at February 07, 2018 06:30 PM (cp1if)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 07, 2018 06:30 PM (6Ll1u)
Posted by: garrett at February 07, 2018 06:30 PM (ZWdwN)
Carter Page was simply a pretext for the FISA warrant, I agree. The real scandal is the continuing of the FISA warrant using him as justification after he was out of the Trump world by Sept. 2016. The FBI also had curious amnesia in informing the FISA court of Page's role in helping catch a Russian spy.
However, his volunteering for the Trump campaign could have been a Clinton attempt to get someone in the Trump campaign and his whole trip to Russia would have been designed to fit the Russia, Russia, Russia hysteria promoted by the Clintons in the 2016 campaign.
Posted by: whig at February 07, 2018 06:30 PM (acrHV)
Posted by: LGE Trump the Merciful at February 07, 2018 06:30 PM (3BFzK)
Posted by: davidt at February 07, 2018 06:30 PM (kyG8i)
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - NOW WITH VIP at February 07, 2018 05:47 PM (aRDor)
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Don't keep us in suspense, what parts did he corroborate?
Posted by: MAGA at February 07, 2018 06:30 PM (qJjJ4)
Posted by: Jean
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A question that answers itself.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc at February 07, 2018 06:31 PM (cp1if)
Posted by: Happy Hour Miklos at February 07, 2018 06:31 PM (zCyNd)
Posted by: I Own the Law at February 07, 2018 06:27 PM
Ha. Lannie Davis, part of the trifecta of ass-tude. Carville, Davis, and Blumenthal.
Wonder which one rolls first?
Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at February 07, 2018 06:31 PM (2FqvZ)
Posted by: hepcat at February 07, 2018 06:31 PM (5b+Sr)
No one will even lose their job.
Maybe some people will even get promoted.
I am just a little cynical here, I hope I'm wrong.
Posted by: navybrat at February 07, 2018 06:31 PM (w7KSn)
Posted by: Monk at February 07, 2018 06:32 PM (g4lFK)
Posted by: Tuna at February 07, 2018 06:32 PM (jm1YL)
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 07, 2018 06:27 PM (pV/54)
************
If they are not neutered, every one of them, they will come back stronger than ever.
Posted by: Hillbilly King taking back the neighborhood one block at a time at February 07, 2018 06:32 PM (mMMjw)
Posted by: ace at February 07, 2018 06:33 PM (8rNrN)
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but he said poop behind closed doors.
Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 07, 2018 06:33 PM (V3U1L)
dude from whitesnake looks at daryl hall and laughs
Posted by: ace at February 07, 2018 06:33 PM (8rNrN)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at February 07, 2018 06:33 PM (3BFzK)
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Sad about him dying in a tragic mugging where nothing was stolen in a couple of days when his name is about to leak...isn't it?
Posted by: 18-1 at February 07, 2018 06:33 PM (Z8FFX)
Feed Hillary vodka?
I honestly don't understand."
The best argument the Left can make is that the Russians hacked the DNC and Podesta and released e-mails that showed that the DNC was fucking Bernie, and Podesta was doing things like subverting the Catholic Church. The substance of these leaks was mostly quickly pushed down the memory hole.
There's more evidence that the source of the leaks wasn't the Russians than there is that there was.
Some commenter here said that the case that the Russians did it was like coming home to find your house burgled, seeing an empty can of Forster's in you hallway, and concluding it must have been an Australian job.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 07, 2018 06:33 PM (pV/54)
Posted by: Northernlurker-Teem at February 07, 2018 06:27 PM
If that dudes eyes bug out any further he's going to be able to see tomorrow.
Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at February 07, 2018 06:33 PM (2FqvZ)
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 07, 2018 06:27 PM (pV/54)
************
If they are not neutered, every one of them, they will come back stronger than ever.
Posted by: Hillbilly King taking back the neighborhood one block at a time at February 07, 2018 06:32 PM (mMMjw)
It's like treating cancer. You want to get rid of it all.
Posted by: Insomniac at February 07, 2018 06:33 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Momk at February 07, 2018 05:51 PM (g4lFK)
I was waiting for one of them to tell Schiff "FRANK RIZZO!"
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 05:51 PM (mbhDw
There I was, laying there in a pool of my own blood and urine. Yes. My own urine. And Trump was standing there naked over me laughing. Laughing. And then he said excuse me while I whip this out. He pee'd all over me. But I got him. My brother, Frank Rizzo, was on the closet with a camera...Ya wanna see the pictures?
Posted by: Jethro Bodine at February 07, 2018 06:34 PM (7+qdf)
Posted by: Weasel at February 07, 2018 06:34 PM (d3bXz)
That one text - absent some mind-bending unknown unknowns that change everything - nicely adds yet another perjury count for Comey, reveals Obama to be the artless liar any intelligent person has always recognized, and points toward direct presidential involvement in the "Russia!" portion of the mega-scandal complex.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 07, 2018 06:34 PM (QDnY+)
Trump is a mortal threat to their power and the plot against him was to utterly destroy him even if he lost so as to dissuade any outsider from ever attempting to try and do what he did.
And beyond their failure to take him out, Trump must not fail in utterly vanquishing them and not leaving any vestige of their power structure.
How he does that I have no idea.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2018 06:16 PM (mbhDw)
I also wish we knew how to help more actively.
I was stunned when Bret Stephens said republican voters had to be taught a lesson about never voting for a Trump like candidate again.
O.O
One thing to say in private, another thing to say out loud.
I found it a absolutely stunning. The level of contempt is off the charts.
Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 07, 2018 06:34 PM (WlX38)
Did some person pretend to be a maintenance person install microphones in Trump's office?
Is it just tapping electronically cell phone calls through the carrier?
Where are the recordings they gathered stored and who has looked at those?
Posted by: Maritime at February 07, 2018 06:34 PM (lKmt3)
Posted by: Skip LIIven the Dream at February 07, 2018 06:34 PM (aC6Sd)
Under UK law, the maker of a potentially defamatory statement must affirmatively prove the factual truth of statements made.
The Steele dossier is on trial in Old Blighty, and the UK government has made no intervention to protect anything they consider secret or sensitive.
Posted by: Happy Hour Miklos at February 07, 2018 06:34 PM (zCyNd)
The RNC was under court order to not engage in ballot security measures for over 30 yrs.
That order just ended in January 2018.
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back when GOPe let the alinsky's dictate policy...up until a week ago. hmm. sad.
Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 07, 2018 06:25 PM (V3U1L)
A consent agreement. What a bunch of cucks.
It is all making sense now.
Posted by: Monk at February 07, 2018 06:34 PM (g4lFK)
Posted by: rickl at February 07, 2018 06:29 PM (sdi6R)
You got NOODED. Happens to the best and the worst of us.
Posted by: eleven at February 07, 2018 06:34 PM (+lOpA)
Thanks Donnie! Maga hat tip!
Posted by: Max Power at February 07, 2018 06:34 PM (q177U)
she implied it
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the thing is, all the public's gonna hear is "discredited GOP partisan memo is destroyed by SChiff"
I sometimes watch SNL like a spy watching pravda, just to admire the craft of obfuscation. What are they going to say to diminish it.
Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 07, 2018 06:34 PM (V3U1L)
dude from whitesnake looks at daryl hall and laughs
Posted by: ace at February 07, 2018 06:33 PM (8rNrN)
You forgotten us, bro?
Posted by: Steel Panther at February 07, 2018 06:35 PM (oVJmc)
MAYBE he is just lying, but Daily Caller has an article on it, that he denied any of it.
dailycaller.com/2018/02/07/was-carter-page-undercover-fbi-informant/
Posted by: illiniwek at February 07, 2018 06:35 PM (bT8Z4)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 07, 2018 05:44 PM (6Ll1u)
Hey...we should have a Toto GIF to go long with the flaming skull GIF.
Note to dog lovers: I did not say flaming Toto GIF.
Posted by: eleven
Great, now I got "Hold The Line" stuck in my head. Thanks.
Posted by: Puddleglum at February 07, 2018 06:35 PM (pY+s4)
Pretty sure that FISA702 queries allow them to tap into the NSA db, the one Edward Snowden spilled about. It is so much more than just conversations - all that metadata.
There's also speculation that they had been doing this before he warrant - the FISA warrant was more of a CYA.
Posted by: Lizzy at February 07, 2018 06:35 PM (W+vEI)
Translation: No, the FISA Application did not "really" alert the court to the fact that Hillary Clinton and the DNC paid for this trash. It deliberately hid that from the court by referring only to a "US person" as behind it.
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Question: is it possible for the FBI to deny that they knew the parties involved at the time of the filing? Ie. could they claim that Christopher Steele only told them the limited information they put into the footnote? Or is there a definite record that the FBI had all the details?
Naturally, I don't believe that for a second the FBI didn't know. I'd just like to know that they don't even have that rock to hide behind.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 07, 2018 06:35 PM (/qEW2)
Like a wind-up doll.
Good Morning America! Bury your heads in sand, we'll tell you all about Trump and why he is so bad, and in the mean time, here's a bunch of screaming ninnies outside in the street with big smiles on their progressive faces. And aren't our girls cute? And that Robin, isn't she earnest?
Posted by: Les Kinetic at February 07, 2018 06:36 PM (5OEn4)
I maintain that the guy was a mole, sent by the FBI.
If you think of it that way, it all makes sense.
Posted by: navybrat at February 07, 2018 06:36 PM (w7KSn)
Posted by: Tuna at February 07, 2018 06:32 PM (jm1YL)
I am able. I choose not to.
Posted by: Golfman at February 07, 2018 06:36 PM (i0isB)
Wow, these strzok-page texts are the gift that keep on giving. But they talk like middle school girls.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 07, 2018 06:36 PM (r+sAi)
constant surveillance, silly
Posted by: concrete girl at February 07, 2018 06:37 PM (C6eZV)
Posted by: The Salon Snot 25 at February 07, 2018 06:37 PM (0ogQG)
He wouldn't hav had anything to do with the FISA application in question now, would he? This could take down some of the judiciary too.
https://tinyurl.com/ya4kmw8n
Posted by: Zif at February 07, 2018 06:37 PM (ZzP0C)
Posted by: click click click of handcuffs at February 07, 2018 06:38 PM (r9UYA)
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at February 07, 2018 06:38 PM (hqQ+Q)
Wow, these strzok-page texts are the gift that keep on giving. But they talk like middle school girls.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 07, 2018 06:36 PM (r+sAi)
But they wear suits and have badges and guns.
Middle school girls with suits and badges and guns.
Posted by: eleven at February 07, 2018 06:38 PM (+lOpA)
Posted by: Government Employees Everywhere at February 07, 2018 06:38 PM (i0isB)
Posted by: garrett at February 07, 2018 06:38 PM (ZWdwN)
Posted by: The Jackhole Somewhere on fried to a crisp Ventura Highway at February 07, 2018 06:39 PM (M+Lyo)
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Sad about him dying in a tragic mugging where nothing was stolen in a couple of days when his name is about to leak...isn't it?
Posted by: 18-1 at February 07, 2018 06:33 PM (Z8FFX)
At least he wasn't shot sitting in his car in a church parking lot. I hate when that happens.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 07, 2018 06:39 PM (8gDQu)
Page was promised a 19% share in a major oil company if he could get sanctions lifted.
As Page himself noted that 19% share of the major Russian oil company would be valued at around ten billion dollars. So the FBI would have us believe that the Russians were willing to make this low level guy a billionaire
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at February 07, 2018 06:39 PM (lKyWE)
>>Did some person pretend to be a maintenance person install microphones in Trump's office?
>>Is it just tapping electronically cell phone calls through the carrier?
>>Where are the recordings they gathered stored and who has looked at those?
It was a carrier level "wiretap". The NSA has the taps in place, all the electronic data is collected. All that is needed is a FISA warrant to look forward and more importantly in this case backwards.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 07, 2018 06:39 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 07, 2018 06:39 PM (6Ll1u)
If Trump 2020 solicits unverifiable and largely manufactured political opposition research on, say, Kemala Harris that links a staff member to someone who worked with the convicted CA state senator Leland Yee, would they be ok if the Trump admin used that info to surveill her campaign?
I'm sure of our Betters would be outraged and ignore the suggestion, because DC.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 07, 2018 06:39 PM (UCeQo)
Oh, Mollie's got a couple of key points, alright.
OK, I'm done.
No I'm not. I'd like to give her a click.
Posted by: pep at February 07, 2018 06:39 PM (LAe3v)
Of course if the FISC is taking ridiculous crap like what it was offered by the FBI as the basis for a Title I warrant, all bets are off.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 07, 2018 06:39 PM (QDnY+)
Steve, pretty sure they knew by second warrant, because they ended their relationship with Steele when they found out he talked to Yahoo, but they did not disclose that to the court.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 07, 2018 06:39 PM (r+sAi)
The part that is speculative is why exactly he decided to join the Trump campaign at that point. If the FBI was willing to go all-in on trying to get Trump, and Carter Page had already been working for them for 3 years, why wouldn't they use him further?
Carter Page, a guy who worked for the Clintons, spent time in the Pentagon, was a graduate of the Naval Academy in the top 10%, has a PHD and who speaks fluent Russian and has traveled to Russia many times and who has "advised" the FBI and CIA "multiple times"...
C'mon, this is the resume of a fucking spook. His whole "dumb" persona is part of his cover.
Posted by: I smell something rotten at February 07, 2018 06:40 PM (iWzUm)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 07, 2018 06:36 PM (r+sAi)
Don't text me ever again !
Posted by: The Jackhole Somewhere on fried to a crisp Ventura Highway at February 07, 2018 06:40 PM (M+Lyo)
Posted by: Rose at February 07, 2018 06:40 PM (30UCB)
Posted by: The Salon Snot 25 at February 07, 2018 06:37 PM (0ogQG)
All is Well!!!
Posted by: Chip Diller at February 07, 2018 06:41 PM (2iZKp)
Posted by: garrett at February 07, 2018 06:41 PM (ZWdwN)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 07, 2018 06:36 PM (r+sAi)
My personal favorite are when they text each other that they have to use other means of communications ... now, that's some spycraft and shit.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 07, 2018 06:41 PM (8gDQu)
Posted by: ALH at February 07, 2018 06:41 PM (71nZe)
That's the bottom line.
Posted by: Free pikes for the asking at February 07, 2018 06:41 PM (mMMjw)
Posted by: hepcat at February 07, 2018 06:41 PM (5b+Sr)
Posted by: muggs at February 07, 2018 06:41 PM (plmbZ)
Posted by: Skip LIIven the Dream at February 07, 2018 06:42 PM (aC6Sd)
Why is he some super secret protected government employee?
Posted by: Willie Nailher at February 07, 2018 06:42 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: x at February 07, 2018 06:42 PM (nFwvY)
Posted by: PhilDirt at February 07, 2018 06:42 PM (b47z7)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 07, 2018 06:42 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Shivering whilst hopping all around. at February 07, 2018 06:15 PM (dEQP3)
The term 'Deep State' really conveys a feeling of sinister, omnipresent, and high competence upon a group of people who we are learning are really just a bunch of tweener girls texting each other incessantly on their work phones about how they're gonna go Mean Girls on doodyhead president and get him impeached.
Derp State indeed. Now to get r/The_Donald on board...
Posted by: mugiwara at February 07, 2018 06:42 PM (RChUT)
Posted by: Rose at February 07, 2018 06:40 PM (30UCB)
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They are all in on it.
Posted by: 5/8 Mexican at February 07, 2018 06:43 PM (MoOC7)
Posted by: garrett at February 07, 2018 06:43 PM (ZWdwN)
Posted by: Nellie Ohr at February 07, 2018 06:43 PM (i0isB)
The projection is strong.
Posted by: Monk at February 07, 2018 06:43 PM (g4lFK)
Posted by: Skip LIIven the Dream at February 07, 2018 06:44 PM (aC6Sd)
Posted by: JackStraw
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So Trump would have had to have made a phone call to (or from) Carter Page's phone in order to be recorded?
Posted by: Maritime at February 07, 2018 06:44 PM (lKmt3)
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at February 07, 2018 06:38 PM (hqQ+Q)
So right!!! The only good South is Brattleboro, Cultural and Moral capital of South Vermont!
And Mary- I just LOVE what the Womyn's Art Collective did with your Birkenstock up there in our walnut tree! So of course Drumpf wants to stop our grants from the NEA! That's OUR money!!!
Posted by: Concerned Woman of Brattleboro at February 07, 2018 06:45 PM (zCyNd)
Posted by: rickl at February 07, 2018 06:45 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 07, 2018 06:41 PM (8gDQu)
Yes. *faceplalm*
On one hand, them being so stoopid got them caught.
OTOH, this is an upsetting view of what kind of people the FBI employs...at high levels. This is the best and brightest? Scares the crap outta me.
Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 07, 2018 06:45 PM (WlX38)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 07, 2018 06:46 PM (4ErVI)
The part that is speculative is why exactly he decided to join the Trump campaign at that point. If the FBI was willing to go all-in on trying to get Trump, and Carter Page had already been working for them for 3 years, why wouldn't they use him further?
Carter Page, a guy who worked for the Clintons, spent time in the Pentagon, was a graduate of the Naval Academy in the top 10%, has a PHD and who speaks fluent Russian and has traveled to Russia many times and who has "advised" the FBI and CIA "multiple times"...
C'mon, this is the resume of a fucking spook. His whole "dumb" persona is part of his cover.
Posted by: I smell something rotten at February 07, 2018 06:40 PM (iWzUm)
Dear Lord!
Posted by: Monk at February 07, 2018 06:46 PM (g4lFK)
Posted by: LASue at February 07, 2018 06:46 PM (BZA5F)
Seriously?
Come and get me.
...
aw, aren't you adorable! Have you joined a #Resistance Martial Arts society, sweetie-pants?
Posted by: ace at February 07, 2018 06:46 PM (8rNrN)
The projection is strong.
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Page was holding out for 20%
Posted by: hepcat at February 07, 2018 06:46 PM (5b+Sr)
Posted by: #neverskankles at February 07, 2018 06:46 PM (vyHiq)
On one hand, them being so stoopid got them caught.
OTOH, this is an upsetting view of what kind of people the FBI employs...at high levels. This is the best and brightest? Scares the crap outta me.
Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 07, 2018 06:45 PM (WlX3
It's better that they're this stupid.
Posted by: eleven at February 07, 2018 06:46 PM (+lOpA)
Posted by: Skip LIIven the Dream at February 07, 2018 06:46 PM (aC6Sd)
So, does Lisa Page have a Prehensile Uvula or something?
She's got a tongue like an electric eel and she likes the taste of a man's tonsils!!!
Posted by: Lord Flashstrzok at February 07, 2018 06:46 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: JackStraw
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yeah, Byron York shot down that "they only wiretapped him after he was off of Trump's campaign" with the simple observation: No, they were now empowered to look at all emails he had written in the past.
Posted by: ace at February 07, 2018 06:47 PM (8rNrN)
I've said it before and I will say it again, the Alphabet Agencies are home to some of the dumbest people I have ever encountered.
I rent buildings to all sorts of them. Idiots. From top to bottom. Though, the DEA and BATF take the cake for the dumbest of the dumb.
Posted by: garrett at February 07, 2018 06:47 PM (ZWdwN)
Let's say Page was an FBI "plant" all along. They could claim they thought he was "turning". The whole thing, if true, just adds one more tick item to the already sufficient list of violations.
We already have an unverified collection of info offered by someone known to be crazy to defeat Trump, who lied to the FBI, all of it paid for by the opposition campaign. That's a lot of rubble to make bounce.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 07, 2018 06:47 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Monk at February 07, 2018 06:48 PM (g4lFK)
I love it.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 07, 2018 06:48 PM (slNe8)
One side or the other has him on ice, or out of the country, or soon to be dead.
Either way he's shitting his pants in terror.
Posted by: davidt at February 07, 2018 06:48 PM (kyG8i)
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Nope, the Title I FISA warrant allows querying of the NSA database for anyone who has had any contact with the person under surveillance, and anyone that person has had contact... Think "six-degrees" of separation... Since the NSA literally records all electronic communication in the US (cell, phone, email, text messages, etc...) you can go back and retroactively look at anything once you get permission...
Posted by: I smell something rotten at February 07, 2018 06:48 PM (iWzUm)
...really just a bunch of tweener girls texting each other incessantly on their work phones about how they're gonna go Mean Girls on doodyhead president and get him impeached.
Posted by: mugiwara at February 07, 2018 06:42 PM (RChUT)
lol
Did not see that coming.
Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel at February 07, 2018 06:48 PM (WlX38)
Did some person pretend to be a maintenance person install microphones in Trump's office?"
Could be simple; odds are probably it was more sophisticated than that. Snowden's document dump of newer technical methods/tools of spying remain eye-opening. And now we know that the institutions tasked with employing these tools in a discriminating, legal manner... don't. Now they are going to force us to remove (or want to remove) some useful, perhaps critical, tools from their toolbox because they cannot be trusted.
It is the intelligence community's fault for any and all fallout as a result of their abuse of the system "we" have previously supported. All of it.
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at February 07, 2018 06:48 PM (H8S+R)
people the FBI employs...at high levels. This is the best and
brightest? Scares the crap outta me.
Posted by: professor disarray, gumdrop gorilla channel['/i]
Two points:
1) This is a self-selected subgroup who chose to go rogue. I very much doubt that they are representative.
2) These are Obama appointees. They aren't there because they're smart. They're there because they're pliable sycophants
Posted by: pep at February 07, 2018 06:48 PM (LAe3v)
Check your email.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 07, 2018 06:48 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: pep at February 07, 2018 06:49 PM (LAe3v)
Posted by: muggs at February 07, 2018 06:50 PM (plmbZ)
Posted by: Fritz at February 07, 2018 06:50 PM (bJ0w+)
Posted by: ace
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Yes.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc at February 07, 2018 06:50 PM (Zdm89)
I know ... it was more of a straight coup attempt, but they were allying with foreigners in the attempt, so that does bring it into the treasonous realm.
but I assume you noticed the bombshell-ish release du jour? Ol jugears has been inserted into this, big-time, far earlier, and more concretely, than at least I ever expected.
I saw it but it's been obvious for years that Barky was at the center of everything. We saw this in how he ran things from the Oval Office. The new texts are nothing new. Barky has always been the one behind the full weaponization of the feral government against the citizenry. It was never even a secret of any sort.
That one text - absent some mind-bending unknown unknowns that change everything - nicely adds yet another perjury count for Comey, reveals Obama to be the artless liar any intelligent person has always recognized, and points toward direct presidential involvement in the "Russia!" portion of the mega-scandal complex.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 07, 2018 06:34 PM (QDnY+)
I don't think the text will serve as good enough "proof" for the people who didn't already acknowledge these obvious facts.
Shit, Barky should have been removed from politics when he held the largest campaign rally in US history ... in a friggin foreign nation, for a bunch of friggin foreigners, paid for, in part, by a friggin foreign government. And he should have been impeached and later prosecuted as he ran around the world on his World Traitor Tour blaming America for everyone's problems through all of history (and even the made-up problems he loved to spout). He should have been thrown out and jailed for a hundred different crimes he committed in office ...
But the same people who could never see those problems won't see anything now, either. They are just willfully blind - by treasonous instinct and by stupidity and by cowardice - and none of that is going to change.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 07, 2018 06:50 PM (8gDQu)
Posted by: CN at February 07, 2018 06:50 PM (5gaNQ)
Posted by: davidt
He will never be convicted of anything if he was complicit.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 07, 2018 06:50 PM (UCeQo)
Posted by: Tuna at February 07, 2018 06:51 PM (jm1YL)
Posted by: mugiwara
For now.
And we're just doing the error-trapping for them.
The next round may not be as incompetent.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 07, 2018 06:51 PM (UCeQo)
I'd say he was the behind-the-scenes mastermind, but, well, you know.
Posted by: pep at February 07, 2018 06:51 PM (LAe3v)
Posted by: CN at February 07, 2018 06:52 PM (5gaNQ)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 07, 2018 06:52 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: rhennigantx at February 07, 2018 06:52 PM (BtQd4)
What have we got?
Jeff Sessions...
sigh
Posted by: navybrat at February 07, 2018 06:52 PM (w7KSn)
Posted by: BourbonChicken at February 07, 2018 06:52 PM (rnAwa)
i love a good mystery
Posted by: concrete girl at February 07, 2018 06:52 PM (C6eZV)
I allow myself to visit /pol twice a week.
I just can't and The Conservative Tree House is great. It only confirms that it's as bad As I always suspected.
Posted by: Monk at February 07, 2018 06:52 PM (g4lFK)
Posted by: Chip Diller at February 07, 2018 06:52 PM (2iZKp)
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wait till the Tide pod Idiots find out there is a Bundt Cake under the Toilet
Posted by: MISHBOT at February 07, 2018 06:52 PM (y3aQB)
If the FBI thought Page had possibly turned, that would have been the primary info the warrant should have been based on. I don't think that's even been hinted at that that was part of the application.
Posted by: Willie Nailher at February 07, 2018 06:52 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 07, 2018 06:53 PM (6Ll1u)
I forget the guy's name, but I know he has a NICE pick-up.
https://tinyurl.com/ybqjxs3x
Twitchy-Gabriel Malor breaks down Grassley-Graham DOJ Referral
Posted by: sven10077 at February 07, 2018 06:53 PM (SzZnW)
Posted by: pep at February 07, 2018 06:53 PM (LAe3v)
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 07, 2018 06:53 PM (2iZKp)
Posted by: It's me donna at February 07, 2018 06:54 PM (O2RFr)
Posted by: CN at February 07, 2018 06:52 PM (5gaNQ)
This will take many years to sort out. I have a tiny bit of hope.
Posted by: Monk at February 07, 2018 06:54 PM (g4lFK)
Wut?
Posted by: pep at February 07, 2018 06:53 PM (LAe3v)
Think about it...
I have no idea.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 07, 2018 06:54 PM (2iZKp)
Either way he's shitting his pants in terror.
Posted by: davidt
He will never be convicted of anything if he was complicit.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 07, 2018 06:50 PM (UCeQo)
Prosecution and/or conviction should be the least of his worries.
Posted by: Zombie Seth Rich at February 07, 2018 06:54 PM (kyG8i)
Short of these steps, the deep state will continue to grow exponentially in total harmony with the deficit.
Posted by: Cooldawg at February 07, 2018 06:55 PM (QgQTt)
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More FBI "Small Group" Text Messages Released...
Posted on February 7, 2018 by sundance
Posted by: MISHBOT at February 07, 2018 06:55 PM (y3aQB)
If the FBI thought Page had possibly turned, that would have been
the primary info the warrant should have been based on. I don't think
that's even been hinted at that that was part of the application.
Did the application cite Page as an FBI operative?
I can't see that such a thing could possibly be omitted under normal circumstances.
Posted by: Lord Flashstrzok at February 07, 2018 06:55 PM (oVJmc)
That very surprising text today is obviously just the tip of the iceberg. If it refers to anything real (i.e., a process by which Bambi was kept updated on this operation), then there will be tons of other documentary evidence of same.
And what was obvious to or reasonably presumed by you and I, but not to many others, definitely would become much more widely recognized if that text points to what I think it does.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 07, 2018 06:55 PM (QDnY+)
I'm pretty confident that there is wrong-doing by the bundle here and the Dems should all go down.
So, now, I'm waiting to see whether we are going to get everybody to see the same thing. But I also get the feeling that right beside me is the playland chute to Bizarro World.
And I wonder if we're really going to start seeing some justice, or whether I one day realize that we took the chute to Bizarro World.
Posted by: Axebot at February 07, 2018 06:55 PM (vDqXW)
Posted by: Skip LIIven the Dream at February 07, 2018 06:56 PM (aC6Sd)
Posted by: 5/8 Mexican at February 07, 2018 06:56 PM (MoOC7)
Posted by: BluesFish at February 07, 2018 06:56 PM (hddoZ)
Posted by: navybrat
They could have used him without him even knowing, but it would sure be useful for them to have him be entwined with the Trump campaign.
It sure seems an investigation would uncover this quickly, unless the FBI is just scrubbing all that info completely. Pretty hard to do, but they are seeming pretty desperate.
MAYBE the white hats already have the evidence they need, and are not just tying up loose ends. But it's getting hard to imagine that Rosenstein/Mueller raping/beating Lady Liberty for over a year is all part of the perfect plan, especially since they are still at it.
#2weeks and the arrests begin? ... or some demotions, early retirements. sheesh
Posted by: illiniwek at February 07, 2018 06:56 PM (bT8Z4)
Don't know if they have any children.
Posted by: hepcat at February 07, 2018 06:57 PM (5b+Sr)
It would be interesting to see someone compile a full list of the NeverTrump Hall of Fame on this issue. The ones who were indistinguishable from Chris Cuomo in talking about it. Allahpundit, I no. But as I no longer go to NRO except for McCarthy, I don't know the worst offenders there. (Aren't they wearing Buckley's legacy as a skin suit? Bastards. I first read NR in 1966.)
I expect Kristol is one. And probably Mr Expert on the Taste of Democrat Butt. But who else? It might be a fun article.
Posted by: George LeS at February 07, 2018 06:57 PM (+TcCF)
One side or the other has him on ice, or out of the country, or soon to be dead.
Either way he's shitting his pants in terror.
Posted by: davidt
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Why? Why not assume that he is as philosophically aligned with the Left as the Hawaiian judge?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc at February 07, 2018 06:57 PM (ZpfqO)
Posted by: Skip LIIven the Dream at February 07, 2018 06:57 PM (aC6Sd)
Posted by: IanDeal at February 07, 2018 06:58 PM (qcIL3)
Posted by: E.T. at February 07, 2018 06:58 PM (P1GJy)
Erick Erickson, George Will, Mitt Romney.....
Posted by: sven10077 at February 07, 2018 06:58 PM (SzZnW)
Posted by: MISHBOT at February 07, 2018 06:58 PM (y3aQB)
But Sessions is utterly impotent and supports Rosenstein. I mean WTF!
Posted by: CN at February 07, 2018 06:59 PM (5gaNQ)
378 Real men either vote for Trump or for Hillary. Is they voted for HRC not real men.
Wut?
Posted by: pep at February 07, 2018 06:53 PM (LAe3v)
Think about it...
I have no idea.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop
Shhh, he's rolling.
Posted by: pep at February 07, 2018 06:59 PM (LAe3v)
Mr. President, senators, I rise to nominate this comment as thread-winner.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 07, 2018 06:59 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc at February 07, 2018 06:59 PM (ZpfqO)
Hugh "Milquetoast" Hewitt got close this week...but he blanched at "general anger at the FBI" for whatever reason.
Posted by: sven10077 at February 07, 2018 06:59 PM (SzZnW)
Posted by: pep at February 07, 2018 06:51 PM (LAe3v)
Heh. Barky was obviously no matermind. He's a malevolent retard. Look at the idiots doing his shit for him and how obvious it all has been since the beginning. But it was all on Barky's orders and none of it showed any sort of sophistication, just raw treasonous (sorry rhomboid) and criminal intent.
I would point to the passing of BarkyCare as the basic template. Nothing sophisticated, just underhanded and illegal deals to keep pushing something that no one in their right mind would think could keep being pushed. There was no intellectual force behind the BarkyCare push, just a lack of any American sensibilities (Barky's specialty), a hate of America and all of our traditions, procedures and institutions and a burning desire to bring it all down in the effort.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 07, 2018 06:59 PM (8gDQu)
Posted by: hepcat at February 07, 2018 06:59 PM (5b+Sr)
Posted by: motionview at February 07, 2018 07:00 PM (pYQR/)
I do love that the FBI was able to discern there was no terrorist motive in gunning down the GOP ball team, but can't discern motive in the Mandalay Massacre.
"useful folk"
Posted by: sven10077 at February 07, 2018 07:00 PM (SzZnW)
Posted by: Skip LIIven the Dream at February 07, 2018 07:01 PM (aC6Sd)
Watching The Enemy Below for first time. Big Mitchum fan.
Understand this got made into an early Star Trek episode.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 07, 2018 07:01 PM (pV/54)
Posted by: hepcat at February 07, 2018 07:01 PM (5b+Sr)
Posted by: Monk at February 07, 2018 07:01 PM (g4lFK)
Posted by: MISHBOT at February 07, 2018 06:58 PM (y3aQB)
Awesome.
Whatever happened to the security guard? Did we ever get the full story whether he was shot before or after the rampage?
Why haven't they released the autopsy results for the 'shooter'? Is it one of those: Hard to explain how he shot himself several times in the chest and once to the back of the head?
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 07, 2018 07:02 PM (2iZKp)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at February 07, 2018 07:02 PM (9aPjE)
Posted by: SteveOReno at February 07, 2018 07:02 PM (2sCft)
Posted by: hepcat at February 07, 2018 06:59 PM (5b+Sr)
He'll be back to writing "Mrs. Hugh Romney" in his notebooks soon enough.
Posted by: Buzzion at February 07, 2018 07:02 PM (lKs2v)
Posted by: Minnfidel at February 07, 2018 07:02 PM (+1EJs)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 07, 2018 07:03 PM (p8Rx3)
Posted by: Skip LIIven the Dream at February 07, 2018 06:57 PM (aC6Sd)
I am still peeved that Jonah Goldberg referred to him as wannabe Russian spy Carter Page.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Shivering whilst hopping all around. at February 07, 2018 07:03 PM (dEQP3)
I think I started part of the "what if Page was a US agent" thing. I was just responding to rotten, on a narrow point. That the apparent violations involved in the FISA process, already, were overwhelming, anything new about Page emerging would merely be making the rubble bounce.
And those who think this will simply go away, or down the MSM memory hold. Don't think so. This is quite different.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 07, 2018 07:03 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: MISHBOT at February 07, 2018 06:58 PM (y3aQB)
Woof!
Posted by: Monk at February 07, 2018 07:03 PM (g4lFK)
I wish Sessions was out on his elf ear
Posted by: CN at February 07, 2018 07:03 PM (5gaNQ)
Posted by: Tuna at February 07, 2018 07:03 PM (jm1YL)
feel bad for them. I don't doubt that there will be more embarrassing
texts to come.
Posted by: Tuna at February 07, 2018 06:51 PM (jm1YL)
I wouldn't feel too bad considering the 'love affair' was almost certainly made up to imply to the general public the 10,000 texts discussing the silent coup was nothing more than dirty, sexy talk.
Have we seen any dirty, sexy talk, texts yet? Just prior to the public release of any of the texts was when a WaPo reporter, already known to be a receiver/reporter of FBI leaks, reported about the texts and their 'affair'.
Posted by: mugiwara at February 07, 2018 07:04 PM (RChUT)
Maybe. I wouldn't bet on it coming out but it would be nice.
And what was obvious to or reasonably presumed by you and I, but not to many others, definitely would become much more widely recognized if that text points to what I think it does.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 07, 2018 06:55 PM (QDnY+)
Well ... I don't think you should underestimate so many people's refusal to acknowledge the obvious.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 07, 2018 07:04 PM (8gDQu)
Posted by: hepcat at February 07, 2018 06:59 PM (5b+Sr)
He'll be back to writing "Mrs. Hugh Romney" in his notebooks soon enough.
===============
He came out on the Dennis Prager show.
Posted by: hepcat at February 07, 2018 07:04 PM (5b+Sr)
Sessions AWOL on this one too. Fire him.
Posted by: Under Fire at February 07, 2018 07:04 PM (r9UYA)
Posted by: sven10077
Statism is a hell of a drug...
Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 07, 2018 07:04 PM (UCeQo)
Posted by: willow at February 07, 2018 07:04 PM (Z8j2x)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 07, 2018 07:04 PM (UCeQo)
Posted by: Skip LIIven the Dream at February 07, 2018 07:05 PM (aC6Sd)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 07, 2018 07:05 PM (6Ll1u)
Posted by: Skip LIIven the Dream at February 07, 2018 07:01 PM (aC6Sd)
This should be interesting.
Posted by: Monk at February 07, 2018 07:05 PM (g4lFK)
Posted by: Weasel at February 07, 2018 07:05 PM (d3bXz)
Posted by: George LeS at February 07, 2018 07:05 PM (+TcCF)
Posted by: Minnfidel at February 07, 2018 07:05 PM (+1EJs)
Posted by: Ben Had at February 07, 2018 07:05 PM (tKJeF)
Posted by: comrade democrat -- Stalin wasn't THAT bad at February 07, 2018 07:05 PM (EzdLW)
Posted by: MISHBOT at February 07, 2018 07:05 PM (y3aQB)
Posted by: navybrat
TGP has him, Page, as part of 1992 Clinton Transition Team. Curiouser and curiouser. Explains why/how FBI would "spy" on their key anti-Russian spy witness.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at February 07, 2018 07:06 PM (Dp6qK)
Posted by: CN at February 07, 2018 07:06 PM (5gaNQ)
Posted by: Minnfidel at February 07, 2018 07:06 PM (+1EJs)
Just said Nunes has sent a letter to the presiding judge of FISC, wanting ALL of the transcripts of all of the FISA warrant hearings...all 4 of them!
Posted by: Tami at February 07, 2018 07:06 PM (Enq6K)
Thanks Ben, but I doubt he got it from me.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 07, 2018 07:06 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: hepcat at February 07, 2018 07:07 PM (5b+Sr)
Posted by: Monk at February 07, 2018 07:07 PM (g4lFK)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at February 07, 2018 07:07 PM (89T5c)
We know that because if there was, it would have been reported and repeated continually.
Posted by: Willie Nailher at February 07, 2018 07:07 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: Weasel at February 07, 2018 07:05 PM (d3bXz)
Nope. Not touching that.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at February 07, 2018 07:07 PM (Dp6qK)
Posted by: George LeS at February 07, 2018 07:05 PM (+TcCF)
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As none of this activity has any expectation of privacy, they are "unmasked". They are known fully to the authorities who simply redacted their names for publication.
Posted by: Axebot at February 07, 2018 07:07 PM (vDqXW)
I wish Sessions was out on his elf ear
Posted by: CN at February 07, 2018 07:03 PM (5gaNQ)
I was in the same camp - thinking Sessions surely was doing something behind the scenes.
No longer.
His off-script defense of Rosenstein a few days ago was the proof that he is a Marquis-of-Queensbury GOP dope. He needs to go. Now.
Posted by: DR.WTF? at February 07, 2018 07:07 PM (T71PA)
Posted by: CN at February 07, 2018 07:08 PM (5gaNQ)
Posted by: Skip LIIven the Dream at February 07, 2018 07:08 PM (aC6Sd)
IIRC he got drafted into the Army as the war was ending. For all I know, a studio arranged this, He certainly wasn't eager to serve.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 07, 2018 07:08 PM (pV/54)
Yes, leaving one or two cookies uneaten will not allay her suspicions.
Posted by: Tuna at February 07, 2018 07:08 PM (jm1YL)
IIRC he got drafted into the Army as the war was ending. For all I know, a studio arranged this, He certainly wasn't eager to serve.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 07, 2018 07:08 PM (pV/54)
Fact: Mitchum liked his weed.
Posted by: Willie Nailher at February 07, 2018 07:09 PM (2DOZq)
As you can tell, my internet has been down for days.
Posted by: Ben Had at February 07, 2018 07:09 PM (tKJeF)
Posted by: E.T. at February 07, 2018 07:09 PM (P1GJy)
Posted by: CN at February 07, 2018 07:09 PM (5gaNQ)
Pretty funny.
For a dead guy.
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at February 07, 2018 07:10 PM (H8S+R)
Posted by: ol' George at February 07, 2018 07:10 PM (mMMjw)
I've seen nothing steamy. It sounds like a cover for texting.
Trust the Deep State that they wouldn't be honest in anything.
Posted by: Axebot at February 07, 2018 07:10 PM (vDqXW)
Yes, leaving one or two cookies uneaten will not allay her suspicions.
Posted by: Tuna at February 07, 2018 07:08 PM (jm1YL)
But it will mean she has to buy more Oreos.
Posted by: Buzzion at February 07, 2018 07:10 PM (lKs2v)
Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 07, 2018 06:07 PM (V3U1L)
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Either
1) nothing other than cashing a big paycheck
2) digging up whatever dirt on Trump he can find
3) investigation of the true bad actors (Dems, corrupt FBI, etc)
Posted by: MAGA at February 07, 2018 07:10 PM (LnOh3)
TCM - Robert Mitchum is about to squat on Das Boot.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc
Feather merchant
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 07, 2018 07:10 PM (IqV8l)
I've seen nothing steamy. It sounds like a cover for texting.
Trust the Deep State that they wouldn't be honest in anything.
Posted by: Axebot at February 07, 2018 07:10 PM (vDqXW)
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I said it this morning. Show me one text indicating an affair.
Posted by: MAGA at February 07, 2018 07:11 PM (LnOh3)
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 07, 2018 07:11 PM (pV/54)
Trust the Deep State that they wouldn't be honest in anything.
Posted by: Axebot
Deep Code
Posted by: Hillbilly King taking the neighborhood back one block at a time at February 07, 2018 07:11 PM (mMMjw)
Selective leaks. Anything "personal" would bring down howls of outrage. Too early to make Stzrok and Page hateful. They must first be seen as credible in their private correspondence.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 07, 2018 07:14 PM (pV/54)
Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 07, 2018 06:07 PM (V3U1L)
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Either
1) nothing other than cashing a big paycheck
You've gotta
Posted by: Mueller at February 07, 2018 07:14 PM (sGtp+)
I am reasonably familiar with techniques used by the British Secret Service which were covered quite thoroughly in Bodyguard of Lies Vol. 1 and 2. The author covers disinformation techniques that were used and then taught by the British to both the Americans and Russians to cover Allied operations during WWII. The original disinformation plans for the Western front were called Bodyguard and the genius is using just enough plausible information to get the Germans to fill in the blanks. Things like the Man Who Never Was, bribes, honeytraps, using double even triple agents, assassinations, even leaking information about German spy rings that were helping the Allies, etc. were regarded as routine. These were carried forth on a grander scale by the CIA later. Britain used its position as the financial and insurance capital of the world, its universities, along with its important news organizations as adjuncts to their disinformation and spying apparatus.
The so-called gentleman spies who like clowns could put their spy nose on and off depending on the context served as auxiliaries to the full-time spooks. In modern terms, contractors who had plausible covers and were financed by off the books stipends from time to time. Allen Dulles who was OSS Chief in Switzerland, learned lessons from the Brits on how to conduct operations on the sly which he took with him as director of the CIA.
Posted by: whig at February 07, 2018 07:16 PM (acrHV)
Posted by: Minnfidel at February 07, 2018 07:17 PM (+1EJs)
Posted by: CN at February 07, 2018 07:18 PM (5gaNQ)
Remember, these have to be processed by the FBI/DOJ/DOJ IG before release. Guidelines for release generally have a privacy interest for things that are not relevant to the misconduct. Having an affair is not illegal so those would probably be redacted before release.
Posted by: whig at February 07, 2018 07:19 PM (acrHV)
either way...gold!
If the GOPe is trying to win 2018. if.
Posted by: zibbly wibbly at February 07, 2018 07:20 PM (V3U1L)
Posted by: Uriah Heep at February 07, 2018 07:20 PM (Z8sLE)
Remember, these have to be processed by the FBI/DOJ/DOJ IG before release. Guidelines for release generally have a privacy interest for things that are not relevant to the misconduct. Having an affair is not illegal so those would probably be redacted before release.
Posted by: whig at February 07, 2018 07:19 PM
The problem, is the FBI and the DOJ are the ones who look crooked in this. It would be like Enron deciding which info the prosecutors could use in their audit.
Posted by: Minnfidel at February 07, 2018 07:22 PM (+1EJs)
TGP is somewhere that I read on occasion but verify his stories. In this case, I posted a link above in a comment to the McClatchy news service story where this apparently came from and also it appears on Carter Page's Wikipedia page.
Posted by: whig at February 07, 2018 07:23 PM (acrHV)
I posted about this a couple of days ago when it came out. IIRC Nunes revealed it. Anyone know where this lie started?
It was reported for moths that the origin was research commissioned by Jeb or Marco, now it's revealed to be totally false.
Posted by: Farmer at February 07, 2018 07:26 PM (yJ1e6)
Don't know if they have any children.
Posted by: hepcat at February 07, 2018 06:57 PM (5b+Sr)
Yeah, that is all lost in the Politics turned up to 11!! with this story. There have to be some hurting spouses and perhaps kids. Sad!
Posted by: SteveOReno at February 07, 2018 07:27 PM (2sCft)
Posted by: Minnfidel at February 07, 2018 07:28 PM (+1EJs)
Posted by: Tuna at February 07, 2018 07:03 PM (jm1YL)
Yes, that Jug-Eared Fucker had no trouble spouting off about any and everything just a few months ago. Gone strangely silent, he has. Eerily silent, that SCOAMF.
Posted by: SteveOReno at February 07, 2018 07:30 PM (2sCft)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 07, 2018 06:41 PM (8gDQu)
Maybe DC affairs are as boring as one might imagine, but they likely had sex from time to time in between texts. Would it have been so hard to discuss this personally after bumping uglies (never more appropriate a term)? Some spycraft shit indeed.
Posted by: Keith at February 07, 2018 07:30 PM (USf3s)
I posted about this a couple of days ago when it came out. IIRC Nunes revealed it. Anyone know where this lie started?
It was reported for moths that the origin was research commissioned by Jeb or Marco, now it's revealed to be totally false.
Posted by: Farmer at February 07, 2018 07:26 PM (yJ1e6)
The Washington Free Beacon has admitted that they paid Fusion GPS to do oppo research on Trump and other candidates, Cruz was another one.
Posted by: buzzion at February 07, 2018 07:45 PM (lKs2v)
Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 07, 2018 08:29 PM (Eu5eZ)
Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 07, 2018 08:30 PM (Eu5eZ)
Posted by: Minnfidel at February 07, 2018 08:32 PM (+1EJs)
Posted by: Minnfidel at February 07, 2018 08:34 PM (+1EJs)
Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 07, 2018 08:34 PM (Eu5eZ)
Posted by: Trimegistus at February 07, 2018 09:06 PM (lidpO)
Posted by: Trimegistus
Unless the "affair" was cover for something else...
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Penitent Cylon at February 07, 2018 09:23 PM (lLeln)
So the FBI represented to the FISA court that carter page, their own informant, who informed on Russian spy attempts, was in fact a Russian spy.
FISA warrants are retroactive. meaning, getting a FISA warrant on carter page after he left the Trump campaign means they could retroactively obtain all his e-mails during the campaign.
Posted by: Dean Wormer at February 07, 2018 11:32 PM (+Jknm)
Follow the unmasking: who was unmasked, by whom. Put them all under oath as to why, and how this compared to other cases?
Follow the leaks: Probably the hardest to prove, since the news outlets will guard their sources; but the leaks were an essential part of the disinformation campaign.
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Posted by: Csgo Triggerbot at March 01, 2018 05:02 PM (ea0zj)
I've seen nothing steamy. It sounds like a cover for texting.
Trust the Deep State that they wouldn't be honest in anything
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The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)