Thread before the Gardening Thread: I was told there would be no math [KT]

Serving your mid-day open thread needs

Time to pull the kids out of school yet?

Three British professors recently promulgated the theory that statistics "serve white racial interests" because "numbers are neither objective nor color-blind."

This theory has also become popular in the USA:

To address the racism numbers reinforce, the professors advocate for the adoption of "QuantCrit"--a portmanteau for "quantitative analysis" and "critical race theory." Quantcrit, they say, has five key tenets, including that "numbers are not neutral."
Numbers are not neutral because "quantitative data is often gathered and analyzed in ways that reflect the interests, assumptions, and perceptions of White elites," they contend, adding that even so-called objective analysis fails to take the pervasiveness of racism into account.
Other key tenets of QuantCrit theory include realizing that math tends to legitimate existing racial inequalities, acknowledging that numerical analyses disadvantage minorities, and understanding how numbers play to the benefit of white interests.

Check out the link on guilt-tripping Asian students for "colorblind racism", too. Maybe we need to set up a new educational system.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 11:30 AM

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1 No way

Posted by: Blutarki-esque 0.0 at January 13, 2018 11:28 AM (+Tibp)

2 Content!

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 13, 2018 11:28 AM (EyPfd)

3
So the people who are all outraged over Trump's shithole remark (if he even said it) are the same people who say that white people are the root of all evil because of our skin color, disparage whites all day long and some advocate the extermination of white people. But saying a shithole is a shithole is the end of the world

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 13, 2018 11:30 AM (SiINZ)

4 The Black Crowes, Thorn in My Pride:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2zqYC8xKwM

*drifts away*

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at January 13, 2018 11:30 AM (Ckg4U)

5
Another example of 'don't raise the bridge, lower the water'.

Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at January 13, 2018 11:30 AM (2FqvZ)

6 2 plus 2 equals whatever the shaman says...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 13, 2018 11:30 AM (7LY+6)

7 And with that...

Announcer, Keith Jackson of college football fame has passed at 89.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 13, 2018 11:31 AM (EyPfd)

8

"Numbers are social constructs and likely to embody the dominant (racist) assumptions that shape contemporary society."

Idiocracy here we come

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 13, 2018 11:31 AM (SiINZ)

9 What would I do with him hanging around the house all day?

Grammie winger, my mother-in-law says, "For life, but not for lunch."

Posted by: no good deed at January 13, 2018 11:31 AM (eIQHF)

10 If I don't offer you Restaurant Quality songs, you get your money back and then some.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at January 13, 2018 11:32 AM (Ckg4U)

11 *drifts away*

Drift Away... ah, one of the early "music videos" - Dobie Gray...

Oh, what?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 13, 2018 11:32 AM (7LY+6)

12 The statistics are objective and color blind. They don't fit the narrative. Hence the problem.

Posted by: PhilDirt at January 13, 2018 11:32 AM (xN4eE)

13 Keith Jackson of college football fame has passed at 89. "

Whoa Nellie...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 13, 2018 11:33 AM (7LY+6)

14 Announcer, Keith Jackson of college football fame has passed at 89.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice

Whoa, Nelly! Bummer

Posted by: Blutarki-esque 0.0 at January 13, 2018 11:33 AM (+Tibp)

15 Zip has some good news....

https://www.weaselzippers.us/?p=371071

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 13, 2018 11:33 AM (EyPfd)

16 2+2=Potato

Posted by: Racially sensitive math at January 13, 2018 11:33 AM (5wCUq)

17 More accurately the narrative doesn't fit the numbers.

Posted by: Lurking Cynic at January 13, 2018 11:33 AM (5YQl/)

18 Not only will there be no math on this blog, there will be no math anywhere, it seems.

Posted by: rickl at January 13, 2018 11:33 AM (sdi6R)

19 Maybe we need to set up a new educational system.

Fvck it. Let the caliphate take it over, hang the snowflakes or throw them off the top of the administration building and then we conservatives can come in and start over.

Posted by: Central Scrutinizer at January 13, 2018 11:34 AM (vI+F1)

20 I bet numbers count when they are trying to calculate reparations.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 13, 2018 11:34 AM (2DOZq)

21 More nihilist, post-modernist, cultural Marxism bullshit. No objective qualification or quantification allowed, tovarisch, unless pre-approved and officially adopted by Your Betters.

Posted by: Insomniac - mostly stable at January 13, 2018 11:34 AM (ywNoU)

22 Shit, I've always known I didn't like math, but could never quite put my finger on why...

Turns out, because math is a racist pig.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 13, 2018 11:34 AM (F5+ro)

23 math tends to legitimate existing racial inequalities
==========================

Trying to understand this. Do they mean that calling attention to the numbers reinforces inequalities? Or that the numbers themselves actually cause inequality?

Posted by: grammie winger - for such a time as this at January 13, 2018 11:34 AM (lwiT4)

24 My Goodness Keith Jackson hated Ohio State. I wonder what Woody ever did to him.

He could call a game however. RIP

Posted by: Tonypete at January 13, 2018 11:35 AM (tr2D7)

25 Idiocracy here we come
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 13, 2018 11:31 AM (SiINZ)

"Ow My Balls" was during the EMT.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 13, 2018 11:35 AM (T28di)

26 Posted by: grammie winger - for such a time as this at January 13, 2018 11:34 AM (lwiT4)

Yes

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 13, 2018 11:35 AM (2DOZq)

27
2+2=Potato

Posted by: Racially sensitive math at January 13, 2018 11:33 AM (5wCUq)

Comrade, potatoes are now racist. Please report to Room 101

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 13, 2018 11:35 AM (SiINZ)

28 You want Africa level IQs, this is how we will get there.

Posted by: Monk at January 13, 2018 11:35 AM (g4lFK)

29 It may not be math...

But this >

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 13, 2018 11:35 AM (EyPfd)

30 Trying to understand this.

I never try to understand it. I just point and laugh.

Posted by: no good deed at January 13, 2018 11:36 AM (eIQHF)

31 Numbers are hard.

Posted by: Under Fire at January 13, 2018 11:36 AM (r9UYA)

32
British, you say. That's like more further than NYC, right?

We're safe then.

Posted by: Andrew Chin at January 13, 2018 11:36 AM (GroCc)

33 Trying to understand this. Do they mean that calling attention to the numbers reinforces inequalities? Or that the numbers themselves actually cause inequality?
Posted by: grammie winger - for such a time as this at January 13, 2018 11:34 AM (lwiT4)

I would assume it's that white people, on average, do better in advanced math classes then, say, black people. And thus, math reinforces inequalities.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 13, 2018 11:36 AM (F5+ro)

34 27. Potatoes have ALWAYS been racist, Quiet Man.
Please report to Room 101.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at January 13, 2018 11:36 AM (fA1SL)

35 My Goodness Keith Jackson hated Ohio State. I wonder what Woody ever did to him.

Posted by: Tonypete at January 13, 2018 11:35 AM (tr2D7)

Punched Charlie Bauman?

Posted by: BignJames at January 13, 2018 11:36 AM (0+nbW)

36 Idiocracy here we come
Posted by: TheQuietMan

Only for some.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 13, 2018 11:36 AM (hyuyC)

37 I was very pleased to learn that the urchins' charter school teaches math by memorization. 2x3=6 / 2x4=8 etc. None of this common core hoodoo voodoo. Just here - these are the times tables. Memorize them.

Posted by: grammie winger - for such a time as this at January 13, 2018 11:37 AM (lwiT4)

38 If the number 69 is wrong, I don't wanna be right.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at January 13, 2018 11:37 AM (5wCUq)

39 I did a study where I found Government schools are constructs used to promulgate raycissims and employ lots of white mens and wimmens.

Eliminate them.

Where do I get my grant money......

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 13, 2018 11:37 AM (EoRCO)

40 6 is a gender fluid POC. Do not use 6 in equations.

Posted by: jsg at January 13, 2018 11:37 AM (ioQ79)

41 Well #29 went a little bit sideways, for some unknown reason.

Test..

>> <<

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 13, 2018 11:37 AM (EyPfd)

42 36 Idiocracy here we come
Posted by: TheQuietMan

Only for some.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 13, 2018 11:36 AM (hyuyC)

Except in Idiocracy they were just dumb. This is malevolent and insidious.

Posted by: Insomniac - mostly stable at January 13, 2018 11:37 AM (ywNoU)

43 Potatoes originated with South American natives so not racist.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 13, 2018 11:37 AM (2DOZq)

44 43 Potatoes originated with South American natives so not racist.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 13, 2018 11:37 AM (2DOZq)

culinary appropriation.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 13, 2018 11:38 AM (F5+ro)

45 this is how they will attack the statistics about crime, literacy, school behavior etc.

It's another way of denying what and where the problem lies and who is responsible for it.

Posted by: jakee308 at January 13, 2018 11:38 AM (YOHxA)

46 OT-Psychology Today takes down "The Secret" by Rhonda Byrne, One of Oprah's new age pet authors. The disturbing things it there is a story that some woman was undergoing cancer treatments, heard Oprah's endorsement and then decided to stop her cancer treatments because she would think herself well, but then she died:

https://tinyurl.com/yctzybn9

To be far, "Psychology Today" probably wouldn't like traditional Christianity either, but anyone who thinks the Bible is about the thinking the correct thoughts to attract the universe and so get wealthy hasn't read the bible. And no, I'm not up for any religious debates with militant Atheists today

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 13, 2018 11:38 AM (8+Ozj)

47 Reposted from the last thread, because it's kind of relevant here:

416
Another example of magical thinking... that by the simple process of thought you can change your world. Not mentioned; hard work, perseverance, research, commitment, and a dozen other learned behaviors.

Reducing life to a mantra from a bearded cross-kneed guru.
Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at January 13, 2018 11:26 AM (2FqvZ)

Posted by: rickl at January 13, 2018 11:38 AM (sdi6R)

48 He could call a game however. RIP

Posted by: Tonypete at January 13, 2018 11:35 AM (tr2D7)
========================

All-time greatest football announcer.

Posted by: grammie winger - for such a time as this at January 13, 2018 11:38 AM (lwiT4)

49 'Potatoes originated with South American natives so not racist.'

Bullshit

Brown skin...
But white on the inside.

They're the Oreo of vegetables.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 13, 2018 11:39 AM (EyPfd)

50 Keith Jackson was the Play-by-Play of my time.

He will forever be college football and its Biggest Games.

Might I remember how blessed I was to have heard him and his Buoyant Spirit as he described everything that happened from the Line of Scrimmage forward.

"Barn-Burners" will never die.

Nellie? Make a Place for this one.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at January 13, 2018 11:39 AM (Ckg4U)

51 Posted by: Tonypete at January 13, 2018 11:35 AM (tr2D7)

Punched Charlie Bauman?
Posted by: BignJames
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True that! Off the field Woody was like your grandpa. Would buy strangers lunch, give you $5, ask you if he could do anything for you. He meant it.

But geeze, anything related to football, well, ask Charlie.

Posted by: Tonypete at January 13, 2018 11:39 AM (tr2D7)

52 Just here - these are the times tables. Memorize them."

Youngest mouse had fun with that in elem. school - one time did 3 pages of simple multi in class, all while the teacher was droning on about "tiles" and other c*ap.

Funny but sad...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 13, 2018 11:39 AM (7LY+6)

53 Potatoes originated with South American natives so not racist.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 13, 2018 11:37 AM (2DOZq)

culinary appropriation.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 13, 2018 11:38 AM (F5+ro)

That does it. Everyone reports to Room 101!!! Even the potatoes

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 13, 2018 11:39 AM (SiINZ)

54 34 27. Potatoes have ALWAYS been racist, Quiet Man.
Please report to Room 101.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at January 13, 2018 11:36 AM (fA1SL)
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And their racisty essence can be distilled for use in that most potent symbol of cultural appropriation, the Black Russian.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at January 13, 2018 11:39 AM (qJtVm)

55 If the numbers hurt the Narrative, math itself must be racist. I can't think of any other logical explanation.

Posted by: t-bird at January 13, 2018 11:39 AM (cW490)

56 Looks like a bunch of horseshit to me. if I was starting out over again now there would be no way in hell than any of my children would ever set foot in a public school.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at January 13, 2018 11:40 AM (mpXpK)

57 And then there are the Trump Potatoes.

With the orange skin.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 13, 2018 11:40 AM (EyPfd)

58 How can I use this critical information to my advantage come April 15 ?

Posted by: jsg at January 13, 2018 11:41 AM (ioQ79)

59 50 cent is going to have to change his name.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 13, 2018 11:41 AM (2DOZq)

60 And then there are the Trump Potatoes.

With the orange skin."

And ketchup. You forgot the ketchup.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 13, 2018 11:41 AM (7LY+6)

61 militant Atheists today
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
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I'm an Atheist! Thank God!!

Posted by: Atheists everywhere at January 13, 2018 11:41 AM (tr2D7)

62 I will, henceforth, refer to vodka as "Essence of Racism."

Posted by: no good deed at January 13, 2018 11:41 AM (eIQHF)

63 53. Bad news. Crop failed - kulaks, wreckers, Uzbeks, and Methodists at it as always. No potatoes.

Room 101 for your mockery of this catastrophic event.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at January 13, 2018 11:41 AM (fA1SL)

64 I can't decide if we're headed for an Idiocracy or Harrison Bergeron-type future - maybe a little bit of both?

I guess that would be close to what Ayn Rand predicted with Atlas Shrugged?
Sheesh!

Posted by: Lizzy at January 13, 2018 11:41 AM (W+vEI)

65 And then there are the Trump Potatoes.

With the orange skin.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 13, 2018 11:40 AM (EyPfd)

Sweet taters!!

Posted by: BignJames at January 13, 2018 11:42 AM (0+nbW)

66
potatoes == vodka != racist;

don't be disparaging the juice of the potato.

Posted by: Andrew Chin at January 13, 2018 11:42 AM (GroCc)

67 I'm going to Have a Sadz for awhile.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at January 13, 2018 11:42 AM (Ckg4U)

68 Good News Horde, I learned my ex wife literally failed at hypergamy. I won't say what happened but the counter example would be me dating a 22 year old fitness model who is a personal trainer part time with zero resources coming in while I ignored our children and drove a court case over 4 years costing several 100k which would go to our children college and activities.

So basically for sex.

Literally failed hypergamy, the goal is more resources not less.

SMFH and embarrassed for my children, worried about them, and embarrassed for her.

And the Judge is basically giving a redo on the divorce allowing as much in as she can. We are past day 4 on a temporary hearing and our side still has not rested.

I'm blessed to have a second chance.

Posted by: Monk at January 13, 2018 11:42 AM (g4lFK)

69 50 cent is going to have to change his name.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 13, 2018 11:41 AM (2DOZq)

4 bits?

Posted by: BignJames at January 13, 2018 11:43 AM (0+nbW)

70 And all you coffee drinkers appropriating Muslim culture. Shame.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 13, 2018 11:43 AM (2DOZq)

71 Psychology Today takes down "The Secret" by Rhonda Byrne, One of Oprah's new age pet authors. The disturbing things it there is a story that some woman was undergoing cancer treatments, heard Oprah's endorsement and then decided to stop her cancer treatments because she would think herself well, but then she died:

-
She only thinks she's dead. If she thought she was alive, she would be.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now On the Gorilla Channel at January 13, 2018 11:43 AM (+y/Ru)

72 Keith Jackson of college football fame has passed at 89

The Best. Thank you and Rest In Peace.

Posted by: t-bird at January 13, 2018 11:44 AM (cW490)

73 My Goodness Keith Jackson hated Ohio State. I wonder what Woody ever did to him.

Posted by: Tonypete at January 13, 2018 11:35 AM (tr2D7)

I don't ever recall KJ hating OSU. Lots of examples of Jackson calling games well of OSU.
11 Warriors.com, OSU excellent blog site, has a listing today of Jackson's great game day calling. His commentary , along with the other old guys who have passed on, is so much better than the clowns today who yammer on and on , often talking about something off the wall instead of describing the play. AND they never shut up or take a breath.

Posted by: Jen the original at January 13, 2018 11:44 AM (bw/1x)

74 She only thinks she's dead. If she thought she was alive, she would be.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now On the Gorilla Channel at January 13, 2018 11:43 AM (+y/Ru)

Go through her clothes and look for loose change.

Posted by: Insomniac - mostly stable at January 13, 2018 11:44 AM (ywNoU)

75 "She only thinks she's dead. If she thought she was alive, she would be."

And either way, she's still casting a vote in November.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 13, 2018 11:44 AM (EyPfd)

76 I can't decide if we're headed for an Idiocracy or Harrison Bergeron-type future - maybe a little bit of both?"

"The Marching Morons" plus "The Machine Stops"

pretty much covers, well, everything.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 13, 2018 11:44 AM (7LY+6)

77 >>Other key tenets of QuantCrit theory include realizing that math tends
to legitimate existing racial inequalities, acknowledging that numerical
analyses disadvantage minorities, and understanding how numbers play to
the benefit of white interests.

5 words: Soft bigotry of low expectations.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 13, 2018 11:44 AM (W+vEI)

78 If you look at the long list of things the left can't do math is usually at the top of said list, the left must destroy any system to ensure losers like themselves can succeed. They spread their insecurities and insane theories because it's the only path they have to normalize their infantile insecure stupid norms.

Posted by: Rose at January 13, 2018 11:44 AM (30UCB)

79 Looks like a bunch of horseshit to me. if I was starting out over again now there would be no way in hell than any of my children would ever set foot in a public school.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at January 13, 2018 11:40 AM (mpXpK)

I wish I had kids just so I could forbid them from going to public school.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at January 13, 2018 11:44 AM (aMlLZ)

80 I will, henceforth, refer to vodka as "Essence of Racism."
Posted by: no good deed

Essence of Racism makes a great aftershave. Pairs well with the Misogyny Powder I put on my junk after showering.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at January 13, 2018 11:44 AM (5wCUq)

81 So, lots of psycho-babble to say, "We suck at teaching math to the minority students entrusted to our care. Therefore, its all the fault of math; certainly not because we are worthless pieces of crap more interested in drawing a paycheck (and destroying Western Civilization) than, you know, teaching."

Jeebus...

2 + 2 = Whitey needs to die because they're raycisss

Now that is the thinking that will build engineering marvels that will awe future generations. /s

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at January 13, 2018 11:44 AM (5Yee7)

82 Now that is the thinking that will build engineering marvels that will awe future generations. /s
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at January 13, 2018 11:44 AM (5Yee7)

You will be MADE to marvel, komrade.

Posted by: Insomniac - mostly stable at January 13, 2018 11:45 AM (ywNoU)

83 It's sad that the STEM geniuses at DARPA are responsible for me knowing about racist math and vaginal knitting and My Little Pony butt plugs.

Damn the Military Industrial Complex! I long for the blissful ignorance of my youth!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at January 13, 2018 11:45 AM (qJtVm)

84 Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now On the Gorilla Channel at January 13, 2018 11:43 AM (+y/Ru)

That made me laugh; I probably shouldn't admit that. I feel bad for anyone going through cancer and their families, and while I think it's a helpful thing in healing to have a positive attitude, the universe doesn't have a mind and eschewing all sorts of medical treatments is not a good idea.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 13, 2018 11:45 AM (8+Ozj)

85 >>Other key tenets of QuantCrit theory include realizing that math tends
to legitimate existing racial inequalities, acknowledging that numerical
analyses disadvantage minorities, and understanding how numbers play to
the benefit of white interests.

I've always suspected that "7" was a white supremacist. I mean just look at it trying to act all respectable and shit.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 13, 2018 11:46 AM (/tuJf)

86 Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at January 13, 2018 11:44 AM (5wCUq)

Aren't you afraid of getting cervical cancer? Oh wait , that's the misogyny part.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 13, 2018 11:46 AM (2DOZq)

87 Is 420 a racist number?

Posted by: Under Fire at January 13, 2018 11:46 AM (r9UYA)

88
2 + 2 = Whitey needs to die because they're raycisss

Now that is the thinking that will build engineering marvels that will awe future generations. /s

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at January 13, 2018 11:44 AM (5Yee7)

By George transitioning to Georgina, I think you've got it

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 13, 2018 11:46 AM (SiINZ)

89 88. She was always Georgina.

Room 101.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at January 13, 2018 11:47 AM (fA1SL)

90

If math is racist, why do people of color buy lottery tickets?

Posted by: Andrew Chin at January 13, 2018 11:47 AM (GroCc)

91 88 is definitely racist.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 13, 2018 11:47 AM (2DOZq)

92

Is 420 a racist number?

Posted by: Under Fire at January 13, 2018 11:46 AM (r9UYA)

Do you know WHO was born on 4-20?!?!?!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 13, 2018 11:47 AM (SiINZ)

93 I've always suspected that "7" was a white supremacist"

Seriously? Seven? It's clearly "4". I mean, look at it. It even has a KKK hood on...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 13, 2018 11:47 AM (7LY+6)

94 I wish I had kids just so I could forbid them from going to public school.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at January 13, 2018 11:44 AM (aMlLZ)
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Go to the Orphanarium and get a brace of shoeless moppets. Teach them the Way of the Ax, home gunsmithing, and garage chemistry.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at January 13, 2018 11:48 AM (qJtVm)

95 65 percent of our property taxes go to funding this shit?

Posted by: Under Fire at January 13, 2018 11:48 AM (r9UYA)

96 Keith Jackson:

https://youtu.be/sTSvbv9uLlY

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at January 13, 2018 11:48 AM (Ckg4U)

97 92. And you're a Nazi for knowing that!

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at January 13, 2018 11:48 AM (fA1SL)

98 64
I guess that would be close to what Ayn Rand predicted with Atlas Shrugged?
Sheesh!
Posted by: Lizzy at January 13, 2018 11:41 AM (W+vEI)

With this "math be racist" crap, she must be spinning fast enough to power a small city.

Posted by: rickl at January 13, 2018 11:48 AM (sdi6R)

99 Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 13, 2018 11:47 AM (7LY+6)

But 7 is giving the Heil Hitler salute.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 13, 2018 11:48 AM (2DOZq)

100 Hmmm, I'm not able to put my finger on exactly how at this point, but I suspect this has to do with the collapse of the Healthcare Industrial Complex.

States are going to run out of money soon. Hospitals are going to start closing all over the place. The giant Ponzi scheme they tried to set up, I'm not sure the Amerken peeps quite know yet, it's going to crash.

And when it does, I suspect some will say it's the evil maths what did it.

Or something like that. Hell, I don't know.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 13, 2018 11:48 AM (Pz4pT)

101 If math is racist, why do people of color buy lottery tickets? "

Nailed it.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 13, 2018 11:49 AM (7LY+6)

102 88 is definitely racist.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 13, 2018 11:47 AM (2DOZq)

Just like my piano.

Posted by: BignJames at January 13, 2018 11:49 AM (0+nbW)

103 You know what you can construct without using math?

Mud huts.

Dirt paths

Unsafe drinking water

Holes to shit in

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 13, 2018 11:49 AM (EyPfd)

104 If QuantCrit is right, then we should only use approved-minority engineers because their numbers- by definition- cant be wrong.

That's the airplane I want to fly in!

Posted by: t-bird at January 13, 2018 11:49 AM (cW490)

105 I've always suspected that "7" was a white supremacist. I mean just look at it trying to act all respectable and shit.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 13, 2018 11:46 AM (/tuJf)

In some cultures, those more highly evolved, they put a line through the number 7 to indicate their revulsion.

Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at January 13, 2018 11:49 AM (2FqvZ)

106 I'm not reading the linked article. I try not to read crap that's going to waste my time and possibly make me stupider.

Posted by: Traveling Man at January 13, 2018 11:49 AM (R5lpX)

107
Other key tenets of QuantCrit theory include realizing that math tends to legitimate existing racial inequalities, acknowledging that numerical analyses disadvantage minorities, and understanding how numbers play to the benefit of white interests.

That sure is a long winded way for themto say they think that people of color are too stupid to get math.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at January 13, 2018 11:49 AM (lKyWE)

108 But 7 is giving the Heil Hitler salute."

Wrong direction, so no.

Snort.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 13, 2018 11:49 AM (7LY+6)

109 christian science has been thoroughly debunked.

You can however improve your life and attitude which makes having a deadly disease easier to deal with.

But guaranteed remission? NO.

Which again points to a creator and not to accidental coincidences numbering in the millions.

We would be much better put together if that were the case as all the errors would not reproduce in sufficient numbers.

No. We're more like the artificial life programs that they play with. The ones of minimal bytes necessary to replicate and survive.

We were created with a minimal complexity and maybe we've evolved some from that base but only a little, the rest is baked in the cake and we have to defend against billions of other organisms large and small who want to kill us for their own advancement. And our own systems can go bad.

Posted by: jakee308 at January 13, 2018 11:50 AM (YOHxA)

110 3 is the new loneliest number.

Posted by: jsg at January 13, 2018 11:50 AM (ioQ79)

111
Handsome Dan was Best of Breed and brother Val was Winners Dog at today's Corpus Christi KC show. Groups and Owner-Handled later this afternoon.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 13, 2018 11:50 AM (GGUGW)

112 Posted by: BignJames at January 13, 2018 11:49 AM (0+nbW)

How many of those keys are White? Exactly.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 13, 2018 11:50 AM (2DOZq)

113 You know what you can construct without using math? "

Well, based on your list, I'd say "things you can sell Sillycon Valley types for serious cash"

Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 13, 2018 11:50 AM (7LY+6)

114 2006 Keith Jackson:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpJLmG3qcFE

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at January 13, 2018 11:51 AM (Ckg4U)

115 "numbers are neither objective nor color-blind."

Translation: numbers do not support our theories

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 13, 2018 11:51 AM (39g3+)

116 55555 looks like they are goosestepping.

Posted by: Under Fire at January 13, 2018 11:51 AM (r9UYA)

117 If math is racist, why do people of color buy lottery tickets?

If math isn't racist, then why do they almost always lose?

Posted by: t-bird at January 13, 2018 11:52 AM (cW490)

118 christian science has been thoroughly debunked.

I didn't mention anything about Christian Science. is the author a Christian Scientist? I read that she was a Scientologist but who knows?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 13, 2018 11:52 AM (8+Ozj)

119 116 55555 looks like they are goosestepping.
Posted by: Under Fire at January 13, 2018 11:51 AM (r9UYA)

Looks more like a bicycle built for, well, 5. A pentacycle.

Posted by: Insomniac - mostly stable at January 13, 2018 11:52 AM (ywNoU)

120 You know what you can construct without using math?

Mud huts.

Dirt paths

Unsafe drinking water

Holes to shit in

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 13, 2018 11:49 AM (EyPfd)

In other words, SHITHOLES. lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at January 13, 2018 11:52 AM (aMlLZ)

121 Yeah, that Euler-Mascheroni constant is tryin' to pass as a white Swiss-Italian, but I see right through that shit.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 13, 2018 11:53 AM (T28di)

122 My God, he was good.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at January 13, 2018 11:53 AM (Ckg4U)

123 >>Seriously? Seven? It's clearly "4". I mean, look at it. It even has a KKK hood on...

Dude, do you even number?

Look how inclusive 4 is. It's like and arm hugging itself with inclusive joy.

You are part of the patriarchal problem.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 13, 2018 11:53 AM (/tuJf)

124 How many of those keys are White? Exactly.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 13, 2018 11:50 AM (2DOZq)

A majority, so...privileged.

Posted by: BignJames at January 13, 2018 11:53 AM (0+nbW)

125 You know what you can construct without using math?

Mud huts.

Dirt paths

Unsafe drinking water

Holes to shit in

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 13, 2018 11:49 AM (EyPfd)

Don't forget sharp rocks and sticks, with which to hunt and kill each other so we can eat.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 13, 2018 11:54 AM (Pz4pT)

126 55555 looks like they are goosestepping.
Posted by: Under Fire at January 13, 2018 11:51 AM (r9UYA)

Looks more like a bicycle built for, well, 5. A pentacycle.

Posted by: Insomniac - mostly stable at January 13, 2018 11:52 AM (ywNoU)

You're definitely a quick wit mofo.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at January 13, 2018 11:54 AM (aMlLZ)

127 Handsome Dan was Best of Breed and brother Val was
Winners Dog at today's Corpus Christi KC show. Groups and Owner-Handled
later this afternoon.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 13, 2018 11:50 AM (GGUGW)
======================

They deserve special treats for that!!

Posted by: grammie winger - for such a time as this at January 13, 2018 11:54 AM (lwiT4)

128 *departs*

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at January 13, 2018 11:54 AM (Ckg4U)

129 It's like White People are genetically defective or something.

An untermenschen, if you will.

Yes, irony is dead.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at January 13, 2018 11:55 AM (oVJmc)

130

Mike Rowe Destroys Woman Who Wants Him Fired For Being "Ultra-Right Wing Conservative"

https://tinyurl.com/ycdjzjxm

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 13, 2018 11:55 AM (IqV8l)

131 My God, he was good.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at January 13, 2018 11:53 AM (Ckg4U)
===================

The best. And nobody better argue about that.

Posted by: grammie winger - for such a time as this at January 13, 2018 11:55 AM (lwiT4)

132
Truly it is sad that winning the lottery is so destructive to many of the winners. Better that one of these large prizes go to one dedicated to unostentatious but elegant living and quiet philanthropy.

I recommend me.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 13, 2018 11:55 AM (GGUGW)

133 I hope she's (Rhonda Byrne) not a CS because she's doing a disservice to her faith tradition if she is. I know several lovely people of faith who are CS. I don't have to agree with all their tenets -and don't- but they have the hearts of servants and love God and other people. I have as much disdain of the "Name It and claim it" theology that is supposedly considered Christian.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 13, 2018 11:55 AM (8+Ozj)

134 Haha. The last thread already came up with a solution:

Mentat training!

Posted by: Doh at January 13, 2018 11:55 AM (TzscB)

135 >>Don't forget sharp rocks and sticks, with which to hunt and kill each other so we can eat.

Hurling bones require no numbers.

Posted by: Under Fire at January 13, 2018 11:55 AM (r9UYA)

136 I'm not reading the linked article.

I read enough blithering idiocy with that "dance" description a day or two ago to last me a long time.

Posted by: t-bird at January 13, 2018 11:55 AM (cW490)

137 Important safety tip. Do not eat Tide laundry detergent pods.

http://bit.ly/2D8fVZx

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now On the Gorilla Channel at January 13, 2018 11:55 AM (+y/Ru)

138 But I thought the sub-Saharan Africans invented math while they were working on their space program.

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at January 13, 2018 11:56 AM (xQfPr)

139 Btw. Joe Biden said "This is a big fucking deal" at the signing of OCare I believe. And it was so funny. But shithole...yikes!

Posted by: Cannibal Bob - Resolution: 'positive thinking'...like that'll do any good. at January 13, 2018 11:56 AM (4CCz5)

140 I was thinking about scary things yesterday for some reason, and I thought bout a really scary thing, which was:

After eight years of Trump, then what?

Posted by: Soona at January 13, 2018 11:56 AM (Fs5vw)

141 The Plank Constant (or should that be Konstant?) used to participate in lynchings.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at January 13, 2018 11:56 AM (5wCUq)

142
But I thought the sub-Saharan Africans invented math while they were working on their space program.

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at January 13, 2018 11:56 AM (xQfPr)

Al Sharpton: They did all of that until them Greek homos stole it all from us!!!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 13, 2018 11:57 AM (SiINZ)

143 >>After eight years of Trump, then what?

If all goes according to plan I'll be dead right around then. You all are on your own.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 13, 2018 11:57 AM (/tuJf)

144 Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at January 13, 2018 11:54 AM (aMlLZ)

Thanks buddy. I try.

Posted by: Insomniac - mostly stable at January 13, 2018 11:57 AM (ywNoU)

145 Yeah, that Euler-Mascheroni constant is tryin' to pass as a white Swiss-Italian, but I see right through that shit.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 13, 2018 11:53 AM (T28di)

I think I'm part white swiss-italian. Got a lot of tall blonds on mom's side.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at January 13, 2018 11:57 AM (aMlLZ)

146 W is the most racist number.

Posted by: steevy at January 13, 2018 11:57 AM (LiyEm)

147 Gillborn and his team assert in their article for the journal Race, Ethnicity, and Education.

Well, there's your problem.

It's a conclusion in search of a premise.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at January 13, 2018 11:58 AM (oVJmc)

148 Obligatory response to maths iz teh raycists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at January 13, 2018 11:58 AM (xQfPr)

149 If all goes according to plan I'll be dead right around then.

Oh, dear. What plan is that?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 13, 2018 11:58 AM (8+Ozj)

150 Numbers are not neutral because "quantitative data is often gathered and analyzed in ways that reflect the interests, assumptions, and perceptions of White elites," they contend, adding that even so-called objective analysis fails to take the pervasiveness of racism into account.

========

"Numbers are biased. No wait! I meant the way numbers are used in ways that are biased. No wait! I mean that even if numbers are used in objective, unbiased ways, they are still biased!"

If I were a detective I'd be thinking that the suspects' stories have enough contradicting details that they should be charged with some sort of crime.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at January 13, 2018 11:58 AM (/qEW2)

151
Relativity: Joooo science!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 13, 2018 11:59 AM (GGUGW)

152 146 W is the most racist number.
Posted by: steevy at January 13, 2018 11:57 AM (LiyEm)

Come on.

Weierstrass?

No contest.

Might as well call it the Hitlerballs Constant.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 13, 2018 12:00 PM (T28di)

153 Apparently, eating Tide detergent pods is a real thing.

https://usat.ly/2mu5wgj

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now On the Gorilla Channel at January 13, 2018 12:00 PM (+y/Ru)

154 The sad thing about the "numbers are racist" theory is that there is a little bit of truth, just a little, behind it - math isn't biased, but the people who decide what to measure, do the measuring, and then interpret the results do so from the framework of their own worldview, so the results are still tainted with subjectivity. "Lies, damned lies, and statistics...."

The way to handle the problem isn't condemn math, but to show where in the process bias has crept in and then how and why that bias is distorting the results. That would require work, a mature epistemology, and honest debate, though, so naturally they want to just throw out everything out and make stuff up instead.

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 13, 2018 12:00 PM (bZ7mE)

155
Important safety tip. Do not eat Tide laundry detergent pods.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now On the Gorilla Channel at January 13, 2018 11:55 AM (+y/Ru)

D'uh, when I couldn't find the calorie information on the side of the box I wrote a nasty letter to Tide.

Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at January 13, 2018 12:00 PM (2FqvZ)

156
Hurling bones require no numbers.
Posted by: Under Fire at January 13, 2018 11:55 AM (r9UYA)

It does if you intend to hit something with them.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at January 13, 2018 12:00 PM (lKyWE)

157 Inventing peanut butter didn't require any maths.

Posted by: George Washington Carver at January 13, 2018 12:00 PM (r9UYA)

158 thinking about scary things yesterday for some reason, and I thought bout a really scary thing, which was:

After eight years of Trump, then what?
Posted by: Soona at January 13, 2018 11:56 AM (Fs5vw)

Eight years of Bannon

88. The left who hates the scary Joos will implode with this QuantCrit. And literally Hilter.

Posted by: Monk at January 13, 2018 12:01 PM (g4lFK)

159 At cross burnings, the Klan would recite Pi to its 400th place to represent the 400 years of oppression visited upon the African peoples by their white numero-racial supremacy.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at January 13, 2018 12:01 PM (5wCUq)

160 Those Tide pods just smell so good!
Joe Biden

Posted by: steevy at January 13, 2018 12:02 PM (LiyEm)

161 Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 13, 2018 11:55 AM (IqV8l)

Killing them with kindness. They hate that.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 13, 2018 12:02 PM (2DOZq)

162 Speaking of math. i got a catalogue in te mail of dvd courses called The Great Courses. My favorite title of one:

Rediscovering The Sheer Fun of Mathematics.

Heh. I mean Calculus was a hoot right, I couldn't stop laughing and jokes...epic.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob - Resolution: 'positive thinking'...like that'll do any good. at January 13, 2018 12:02 PM (4CCz5)

163 Sweet taters!!

Posted by: BignJames at January 13, 2018 11:42 AM (0+nbW)

Hai, hai!

Posted by: Tater from Decatur at January 13, 2018 12:02 PM (E2MJu)

164 47 Reposted from the last thread, because it's kind of relevant here:

416
Another example of magical thinking... that by the simple process of thought you can change your world. Not mentioned; hard work, perseverance, research, commitment, and a dozen other learned behaviors.

Paging Professor Harold Hill. Professor Hill to the white courtesy phone. Paging Professor Harold Hill.

Posted by: Fox2! at January 13, 2018 12:03 PM (brIR5)

165
That would require work, a mature epistemology, and honest debate, though

Climate denier, eh?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 13, 2018 12:03 PM (GGUGW)

166 The way my next door neighbor's kids describe their teachers in elementary school is this. The typical teacher is a morbidly obese black female who speaks in ebonics, who is functionally illiterate, and who can not do any of the 'problems' is their assigments, much less explain how they are supposed to be done.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at January 13, 2018 12:03 PM (mpXpK)

167 White people got nobody. Got nobody they can depend on.

Is the FBI white people? The NYT is busy whitesplaining that the FBI is having a difficult time tracing down Stephen (Las Vegas shooter) Paddock's activities because he followed the same pattern as all mass casualty shooters. _Damn.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/ybmdkjb7

Posted by: gNewt at January 13, 2018 12:03 PM (8u+2n)

168 Once again, proof that feminism has NO F'n sense of humor.

https://www.weaselzippers.us/?p=370999

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 13, 2018 12:03 PM (EyPfd)

169 I've had a chronic physical illness since I was 17 years old. I'm now approaching 29, and in all that time I have had one instance of miraculous healing, that is - apart from and outside medical treatment. My Jewish doctor at Cornell even acknowledged it as miraculous and wrote it in my chart as such.

The rest of the time, I have muddled through, making do with the usual doctor's appointments and 19 surgeries. That is not a typo.

My answer when people ask me if I believe in healing? I say, of course. Pray, go to the doctor, and take your medicine. It's usually a package deal. You don't ditch one for the other.

Posted by: grammie winger - for such a time as this at January 13, 2018 12:04 PM (lwiT4)

170 Might as well call it the Hitlerballs Constant.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 13, 2018 12:00 PM (T28di)

Hitler only had one ball, so maybe it should just be Hitlerball.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at January 13, 2018 12:04 PM (aMlLZ)

171 Despite the purported danger of statistics being used to reinforce white privilege, they predict that if used properly, statistics can "expose and delegitimize the racist (and sexist, classist, hetero-normative, and ableist) assumptions, policies, and practices that are currently supported by the uncritical use of quantitative data."

And there's the nub.

Anything not used to further THEIR AGENDA ("critical") is the problem.

As long as it's used to further radical leftism/Marxism, it's good. It's all about intent.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at January 13, 2018 12:04 PM (oVJmc)

172 Make sure the Tide pods are organic.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at January 13, 2018 12:04 PM (89T5c)

173
But I thought the sub-Saharan Africans invented math while they were working on their space program.
Posted by: Laughing in Texas at January 13, 2018 11:56 AM

It's in the oral history.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 13, 2018 12:05 PM (IqV8l)

174 After eight years of Trump, then what?
Posted by: Soona at January 13, 2018 11:56 AM (Fs5vw)

Kneecappin' Nikki Haley!

Posted by: Doh at January 13, 2018 12:05 PM (TzscB)

175 Exactly what statistics are they talking about? Standardized test scores? Grades?

If that's it, their problem is in analyzing these things on the basis of race in the first place. They thought they'd find something to bolster their stupid political causes, and it turned out to be the opposite of what they needed. Of course they can't give up because as professors of Critical Race Studies, that is their job.

Education should be focused on teaching the pupils the subject matter, and these bogus departments should be defunded to help give tutoring to whichever students need it. THAT would do more to close up any gaps they observed in their statistics than playing stupid climatology games with the statistics themselves.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at January 13, 2018 12:05 PM (/qEW2)

176 Posted by: Fox2! at January 13, 2018 12:03 PM (brIR5)

Well, at least Harold Hill had a personal conversion experience (if not a religious one) as it were.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 13, 2018 12:05 PM (8+Ozj)

177 Education should be focused on teaching the pupils the subject matter"

See, you're rayciss.

/that'showitworks

Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 13, 2018 12:05 PM (7LY+6)

178 Mike Rowe...

That was sensational. His parting line, "well, then you've got your head up a black hole" was an unexpected punchline

Posted by: t-bird at January 13, 2018 12:05 PM (cW490)

179 Hitler only had one ball, so maybe it should just be Hitlerball.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison

Donald Trump was Literally his school's Hitlerball champion!

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at January 13, 2018 12:06 PM (5wCUq)

180 Orwell predicted NewSpeak...but I guess the NewMath was too much even for him to guess at.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 13, 2018 12:06 PM (Z8FFX)

181 I thought the science was settled on black holes.

Seriously.

Posted by: Doh at January 13, 2018 12:06 PM (TzscB)

182 Three British professors recently promulgated the theory that statistics "serve white racial interests" because "numbers are neither objective nor color-blind."

========

They should ask Michael E. Mann to send them his climatology modelling software and adapt it so that it can analyze statistics regarding whites vs minorities.

That should cheer them up and give them some useful ammo for their cause.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at January 13, 2018 12:06 PM (/qEW2)

183 Wait...This was a British Professor?

The same people who are trying to eradicate the white supremacy of dental health?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 13, 2018 12:06 PM (EyPfd)

184 I mean, that's the only reason why Hawking is a thing, right? Hawking radiation?

Posted by: Doh at January 13, 2018 12:07 PM (TzscB)

185 Once you indoctrinate young people into a culture that is dysfunctional and is failing to improve the lives of those who have emotional attachment to it you must move even further down into its abyss in order to keep the scam going.

That doesn't mean that the scam-culture will disappear, just that greater and greater efforts will have to be made to keep it going as long as there remains a successful-functional culture that it can be compared to.

Once all successful ones have been destroyed then they can coast on since there will be nothing better to be seen. The other way is to simply isolate the dysfunctional culture from any contact with the outside world, North Korea is the best example of this method currently.

Posted by: geoffb at January 13, 2018 12:07 PM (zOpu5)

186 After eight years of Trump, then what?

President Trump was never more than a stay of execution.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 13, 2018 12:07 PM (39g3+)

187 Zero: Indian

Literally every other number: Arabic.

Yup. Totes wayciss.

Way to go, team.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 13, 2018 12:08 PM (T28di)

188 Bum Phillips said it best

You are not a failure until you blame others for your failures.

That is the whole reasoning behind these kind of studies.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 13, 2018 12:09 PM (2DOZq)

189 186 After eight years of Trump, then what?

President Trump was never more than a stay of execution.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 13, 2018 12:07 PM (39g3+)

The question is:

Is America a Phoenix, or a Compost Heap?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 13, 2018 12:09 PM (T28di)

190 I do wish some reporter would ask Pelosi If $1000 or $2000 are such 'crumbs', why is her party fighting so hard to keep them ?

Posted by: jsg at January 13, 2018 12:09 PM (XTXXB)

191 185 Once you indoctrinate young people into a culture that is dysfunctional and is failing to improve the lives of those who have emotional attachment to it you must move even further down into its abyss in order to keep the scam going.

That doesn't mean that the scam-culture will disappear, just that greater and greater efforts will have to be made to keep it going as long as there remains a successful-functional culture that it can be compared to.

Once all successful ones have been destroyed then they can coast on since there will be nothing better to be seen. The other way is to simply isolate the dysfunctional culture from any contact with the outside world, North Korea is the best example of this method currently.
Posted by: geoffb at January 13, 2018 12:07 PM (zOpu5)

World War Z predicted this.

Posted by: Monk at January 13, 2018 12:09 PM (g4lFK)

192 I own 52.43 Iowa acres. Math!

Posted by: colfax mingo at January 13, 2018 12:10 PM (Yk2w/)

193 Wait...This was a British Professor?

The same people who are trying to eradicate the white supremacy of dental health?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice

Puh! The Briteesh, we are well ahad of zem in zees field. We ended ze rahcism of deodorant long ago.

Posted by: The French at January 13, 2018 12:10 PM (5wCUq)

194 President Trump was never more than a stay of execution.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 13, 2018 12:07 PM (39g3+)
========================

Who knows. Look at Queen Esther. Also my nic.

Posted by: grammie winger - for such a time as this at January 13, 2018 12:10 PM (lwiT4)

195 My answer when people ask me if I believe in healing? I say, of course. Pray, go to the doctor, and take your medicine. It's usually a package deal. You don't ditch one for the other.

Posted by: grammie winger - for such a time as this at January 13, 2018 12:04 PM (lwiT4)

Amen to that. God doesn't respect us unless we try.

Posted by: gNewt at January 13, 2018 12:10 PM (8u+2n)

196 One again the Leftards howl like toddlers pulled away for naptime when everything does not 100% support their wishes. Also proof that all statistical reports purporting to serve a political agenda should be greeted with skepticism.

Posted by: exdem13 at January 13, 2018 12:11 PM (W+kMI)

197 153 Apparently, eating Tide detergent pods is a real thing.

https://usat.ly/2mu5wgj
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now On the Gorilla Channel at January 13, 2018 12:00 PM (+y/Ru)

Zombie Darwin smiles.

Posted by: rickl at January 13, 2018 12:11 PM (sdi6R)

198 Mike Rowe Destroys Woman Who Wants Him Fired For Being "Ultra-Right Wing Conservative"

https://tinyurl.com/ycdjzjxm
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 13, 2018 11:55 AM (IqV8l)

Damn, he's good at that. Politely deconstructs her willful refusal to think. Too bad she will just as willfully refuse to think about what he wrote. She will have learned nothing, and just add "Mike Rowe is a big meany who triggers with his toxic masculinity" to her list of reasons he should not polluter her personal space.

Posted by: Pug Mahon aka the Deplorable P.U.G. at January 13, 2018 12:11 PM (bNbo2)

199 What about those imaginary numbers?

Posted by: Monk at January 13, 2018 12:12 PM (g4lFK)

200
195 My answer when people ask me if I believe in healing? I say, of course. Pray, go to the doctor, and take your medicine. It's usually a package deal. You don't ditch one for the other.

Posted by: grammie winger - for such a time as this at January 13, 2018 12:04 PM (lwiT4)

Amen to that. God doesn't respect us unless we try.
Posted by: gNewt at January 13, 2018 12:10 PM (8u+2n)

Just the punchline

I sent you a truck, a boat and a helicopter.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 13, 2018 12:12 PM (2DOZq)

201 Pray, go to the doctor, and take your medicine. It's usually a package deal. "

Huh. Next you'll be telling us that we *should* take the Coast Guard helicopter during a flood...

Snort.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 13, 2018 12:12 PM (7LY+6)

202 Bum Phillips said it best

You are not a failure until you blame others for your failures.

That is the whole reasoning behind these kind of studies.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 13, 2018 12:09 PM (2DOZq)

Barry O: Everything is Bush's fault..hey wait a minute..

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 13, 2018 12:12 PM (SiINZ)

203 Darn, Roc beat me.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 13, 2018 12:12 PM (7LY+6)

204 I referred to someone as a "colored" lady to our SJW son to get a rise, and sure did.

I then asked if people of color were indeed colored.

I'm just tryin to catch up.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at January 13, 2018 12:13 PM (5LDjk)

205 Hurling bones require no numbers.
Posted by: Under Fire at January 13, 2018 11:55 AM (r9UYA)

It does if you intend to hit something with them.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at January 13, 2018 12:00 PM (lKyWE)

Seriously, that's the thing. Math does what it does, it is what it is. What's rayciss is not math, it's that you understand it and they don't.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 13, 2018 12:13 PM (Pz4pT)

206 After eight years of Trump, then what?

President Trump was never more than a stay of execution.

Plan accordingly.

Personally, I think we are in the middle, or mid-beginning, of a cataclysmic shift, possibly a collapse, of civilization analogous to the collapse of the Late Bronze Age Mediterranean cultures or the fall of the Roman Empire, and that it began in the mid-19th century if not earlier. I don't think that the Left is going to win, but I don't think we are going to get our old Republic back either.

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 13, 2018 12:13 PM (bZ7mE)

207
Stormy Daniels statement:

To whom it may concern:

I recently became aware that many news outlets are alleging that I had a sexual and/or romantic affair with Donald Trump many, many, many years ago. I am stating with absolute clarity that this is absolutely false. My involvement with Donald Trump was limited to a few public appearances and nothing more. When I met Donald Trump, he was gracious, professional, and nothing but a complete gentlemen to me and EVERYONE in my presence.

Rumors that I have received hush money from Donald Trump are completely false. If indeed I did have a relationship with Donald Trump, trust me, you wouldn't be reading about it in the news, you would be reading about it in my book. But the fact of the matter is these stories are not true.

--Stormy Daniels.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at January 13, 2018 12:13 PM (8O3HH)

208 Mike Rowe's mansplaining is almost as racist and white supremacist as the number 9!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 13, 2018 12:13 PM (39g3+)

209 Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 13, 2018 12:12 PM (7LY+6)

Houston mind meld.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 13, 2018 12:14 PM (2DOZq)

210 own 52.43 Iowa acres. Math!
Posted by: colfax mingo at January 13, 2018 12:10 PM (Yk2w/)

What I see is 14 so you and your land are white supremacists.

Posted by: Monk at January 13, 2018 12:14 PM (g4lFK)

211 I thought the science was settled on black holes.

Seriously.
Posted by: Doh at January 13, 2018 12:06 PM (TzscB)

It is.

Which, is the point. Science doesn't settle. Superstition does.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 13, 2018 12:14 PM (Pz4pT)

212 Maybe we need to set up a new educational system.

Maybe we need to reconsider mental institutions. Maybe call them names like "Yale" and "University California Berkeley".

Posted by: Rob Crawford at January 13, 2018 12:15 PM (fVubI)

213 Mike Rowe Destroys Woman Who Wants Him Fired For Being "Ultra-Right Wing Conservative"
https://tinyurl.com/ycdjzjxm
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 13, 2018 11:55 AM (IqV8l)

Wow....he not only schooled her but gave her advice on on to fix her dumbassness.

Mike should send her a bill for his services. But being a lefty turd she most likely would not pay it, but she will let her parents would raised her pay it, like they probably paid for everything else in her snowfalke universe.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 13, 2018 12:15 PM (EoRCO)

214 My book required the use of statistics.

Posted by: Richard J. Herrnstein at January 13, 2018 12:15 PM (r9UYA)

215 After eight years of Trump, then what?

Posted by: Soona at January 13, 2018 11:56 AM (Fs5vw)
**************

That's why it's important to educate our children, grandchildren and any other ear we can grab about the lessons of the worlds of Obama vs Trump and that it will happen again and they must be ready for it.

Posted by: gNewt at January 13, 2018 12:16 PM (8u+2n)

216 Which, is the point. Science doesn't settle. Superstition does.

"Science is always false, but often useful" - Gordon Clark

My Dad's favorite quote re: science.

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 13, 2018 12:16 PM (bZ7mE)

217 Rumors that I have received hush money from Donald Trump are completely false. If indeed I did have a relationship with Donald Trump, trust me, you wouldn't be reading about it in the news, you would be reading about it in my book. But the fact of the matter is these stories are not true.

--Stormy Daniels.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at January 13, 2018 12:13 PM (8O3HH)

So much for Yahoo's front page "news" story

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 13, 2018 12:17 PM (SiINZ)

218
Damn, he's good at that. Politely deconstructs her willful refusal to think. Too bad she will just as willfully refuse to think about what he wrote. She will have learned nothing, and just add "Mike Rowe is a big meany who triggers with his toxic masculinity" to her list of reasons he should not polluter her personal space.
Posted by: Pug Mahon aka the Deplorable P.U.G. at January 13, 2018 12:11 PM (bNbo2

It would be interesting to see her response to that. I am guessing that she read one paragraph and then deleted the rest. Such is the leftist way.

Posted by: Soona at January 13, 2018 12:17 PM (Fs5vw)

219 Has anyone yet suggested that bullets are raycist?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 13, 2018 12:17 PM (EyPfd)

220 Rumors that I have received hush money from Donald Trump are completely false. If indeed I did have a relationship with Donald Trump, trust me, you wouldn't be reading about it in the news, you would be reading about it in my book. But the fact of the matter is these stories are not true.

--Stormy Daniels.
Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at January 13, 2018 12:13 PM (8O3HH)

Seems a pretty unequivocal denial to me.

Posted by: Insomniac - mostly stable at January 13, 2018 12:17 PM (ywNoU)

221
When I can see a black hole with my own two eyes, that's when I'll believe in them. Half kidding.

Some 9 pixel by 9 pixel absence of light? Color me still skeptical.

Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at January 13, 2018 12:18 PM (2FqvZ)

222 I think the basic problem is that math implies a basic distinction between true and false and the enlightened can't have that.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now On the Gorilla Channel at January 13, 2018 12:18 PM (+y/Ru)

223 It would be interesting to see her response to that. I am guessing that she ~~read~~ attempted to comprehend one paragraph and then deleted the rest. Such is the leftist way.

*Suggested edit

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 13, 2018 12:18 PM (EyPfd)

224 This kind of academic bullshit is not about scientific validity, it's about ideological purity.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at January 13, 2018 12:18 PM (oVJmc)

225 "Whatever happened to that groovy hippie shit?"

Posted by: Corona at January 13, 2018 12:19 PM (88+VL)

226 181 I thought the science was settled on black holes.

Seriously.
Posted by: Doh at January 13, 2018 12:06 PM (TzscB)

It's a general consensus that they exist but still no real proof. The evidence that has generated the consensus is the observable gases , etc around stars and how they react.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 13, 2018 12:19 PM (2DOZq)

227 15 Zip has some good news....
----
Excellent, we're still winning!It's worth noting in the comments the pics with pointed comments. Obummer made it easier for those tattooed goblins to arrive here and start dragging their neighborhoods down to Third World levels. I have talked myself nearly Garmilas Blue in the face telling the folks over and over that illegal immigration means bad people crossing as well as the good. Very bad people whom would contribute nothing for this nation except more prison housing costs.

Posted by: exdem13 at January 13, 2018 12:19 PM (W+kMI)

228
Seems a pretty unequivocal denial to me.
Posted by: Insomniac - mostly stable at January 13, 2018 12:17 PM (ywNoU)

The poor girl must be terrified of Trump.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at January 13, 2018 12:19 PM (lKyWE)

229 I thought the science was settled on black holes.

Seriously."

Movies are a wonderful thing, no?

But seriously - no. Gravitational wave detection is being used to prop up the theory, but that's backwards reasoning, as there are other possible sources. Heck, there's debate as to the lifespan of such possibilities (SH's "radiation") or permanence...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 13, 2018 12:19 PM (7LY+6)

230 My book required the use of statistics.

Posted by: Richard J. Herrnstein at January 13, 2018 12:15 PM (r9UYA)

And did you number the pages? Huh?

Posted by: BignJames at January 13, 2018 12:19 PM (0+nbW)

231 Darn, Roc beat me.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 13, 2018 12:12 PM (7LY+6)

One of my favorite jokes. I usually break it out once or twice a year, to effect. Teh magical thinking is not a problem of faith, it's a problem of the lack of faith, really, in those who misunderstand what faith is.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 13, 2018 12:19 PM (Pz4pT)

232 How were the Pigford settlements determined without the use of mathematics?

Posted by: Under Fire at January 13, 2018 12:19 PM (r9UYA)

233 Has anyone yet suggested that bullets are raycist?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 13, 2018 12:17 PM (EyPfd)
=================

Well, I'm pasty white, and I've never been shot with one. I guess there's your answer.

Posted by: grammie winger - for such a time as this at January 13, 2018 12:19 PM (lwiT4)

234 Seems a pretty unequivocal denial to me.

"Well, sure, she denies it, he denies it, which is just proof of the conspiracy to hide it from us!!!"
--Leftist

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 13, 2018 12:19 PM (39g3+)

235 115 "numbers are neither objective nor color-blind."

Translation: numbers do not support our theories
======
The numbers are wrong, so shoot the mathematicians, statisticians, accountants, and pollsters. Then hire new ones and tell them which numbers to use.

Posted by: exdem13 at January 13, 2018 12:21 PM (W+kMI)

236 So, the Loony Left, responsible for the dumbing down of the typical American schoolkid, now wants to put us on the absolute bottom? WTF is wrong with these folks? I submit that THEY are the racists, and they earn that dishonor by insisting that children of color are too stupid to learn math.

Posted by: Bill R. at January 13, 2018 12:22 PM (IuYIh)

237 in those who misunderstand what faith is."

I've wondered if that "misunderstanding" is on purpose, or just cases of general stupidity...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 13, 2018 12:22 PM (7LY+6)

238 Whenever I think of society, images of 90-yard containers fill my head.

Posted by: Corona at January 13, 2018 12:22 PM (88+VL)

239 The new Lefty story being reported now after the alleged shithole comment is Trump allegedly saying ' who is that pretty Korean lady' at a meeting and wondering why she is not on the North Korean negotiating team even though she is just an analyst for other issues.

They have truly gone insane.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 13, 2018 12:22 PM (2DOZq)

240 It's those damn prime numbers, they think they're so special, especially 2, the only even one.

Posted by: jim at January 13, 2018 12:22 PM (gjGvH)

241 Then hire new ones and tell them which numbers to use."

Ah, the Soviet Method then...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 13, 2018 12:22 PM (7LY+6)

242 232 How were the Pigford settlements determined without the use of mathematics?
Posted by: Under Fire at January 13, 2018 12:19 PM (r9UYA)

By skin color.

Posted by: rickl at January 13, 2018 12:23 PM (sdi6R)

243 @Bill R the argument isn't (only) that blacks are too stupid to learn math. It's that math works against them -- in things, like, crime statistics.

Posted by: sunny-dee at January 13, 2018 12:24 PM (QAOZh)

244
You can be sure that there are very dense objects out there, that according to current theory (and observations) so far, must be black holes.

And General Relativity is one of the most successful, and beautiful theories there are (it sends me to the ficus, so hot it is). But it is not the last word, isn't thought to be, and just what lurks behind event horizons, well, we don't know for sure.

A proper discussion of this is well beyond my scope, and certainly my ability to type in these small grey boxes.

But Uncle Al Einstein, he done good with General Relativity. My limited grasp of it has sent me soaring to heights of appreciation of beauty.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at January 13, 2018 12:24 PM (8O3HH)

245 Posted by: Doh at January 13, 2018 12:06 PM (TzscB)

It's a general consensus that they exist but still no real proof. The evidence that has generated the consensus is the observable gases , etc around stars and how they react.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 13, 2018 12:19 PM (2DOZq)

So in other words, it would be roughly the same thing as, if you had a friend who disappeared, without a trace, and decided that means the space aliens came down and took him/her to a distant planet to live in peace and harmony (or strife and turmoil, depending on your bent).

Posted by: BurtTC at January 13, 2018 12:24 PM (Pz4pT)

246 But seriously - no. Gravitational wave detection is being used to prop up the theory, but that's backwards reasoning, as there are other possible sources.

Correct. A lot of things presumed to be true but lacking empirical observation can be explained other ways. Science gives the most probable explanation, not the certain one. The more obscure and distant, unverified, and removed the subject, the lower that probability becomes.

For example: Scientists find a star with planets around it!

No, they didn't. They found stars in the extreme distance, hundreds of light years away, which exhibit characteristics that are probably are the result of planetary orbits. But they don't know because its too distant and there's not enough data. Its an educated guess, but still a guess.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 13, 2018 12:25 PM (39g3+)

247 While I do not believe in an inherent higher mental capacity of one race over another...

if a culture develops a caste system where members are required to not go acting all White, and shit, we may be getting close to identifying the underlying problem.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 13, 2018 12:25 PM (EyPfd)

248 I can't even use I-95 since they have recently re-blacktopped sections of it.

Posted by: jsg at January 13, 2018 12:26 PM (XTXXB)

249
Jeff Bezos donates $33 million to fund college scholarships for Dreamers

I guess $33 million isn't a racist number but Bozos is a shithole

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 13, 2018 12:26 PM (SiINZ)

250 So how do the bruthas keep score in a basketball game?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 13, 2018 12:26 PM (xzexB)

251 Scientists find a star with planets around it! "

I've rushed, breathlessly, to so many of those articles, only to see another wobble.

A bit depressing, it is...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 13, 2018 12:26 PM (7LY+6)

252 "But they don't know because its too distant and there's not enough data. Its an educated guess, but still a guess."

Can't they just go to Google Maps and see?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 13, 2018 12:26 PM (EyPfd)

253 in those who misunderstand what faith is."
-------------------------------------------------------
I've wondered if that "misunderstanding" is on purpose, or just cases of general stupidity...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 13, 2018 12:22 PM (7LY+6)

Where I encounter it, it's general ignorance.

I don't doubt there are those who know better, and push it on the gullible.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 13, 2018 12:27 PM (Pz4pT)

254 Haven't read into it much, but from what I understand it's no so much "if" black holes exists, it's "what" that thing there that we call a black hole actually is.

There's obviously some phenomnon occuring there, but it just might not look like anything we commonly imagine as a "black hole".

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 13, 2018 12:27 PM (T28di)

255 Posted by: BurtTC at January 13, 2018 12:24 PM (Pz4pT)

In your analogy it would be more like friend disappeared from a spot and what looks like imprints from some type of space ship is the only thing found.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 13, 2018 12:27 PM (2DOZq)

256 >> Seems a pretty unequivocal denial to me.

This is pure Deep State Pee-pee Party style doo-doo. The one who made the claim is another porn star, and I use even that term loosely, who is a "former friend" of Daniels. For a time she went by the name of "Jenna Talia", which even Beavis and Butthead would find stupid, and that should give you an idea of her level.

She'd had to pay me, and that's saying something.

But the vaunted WSJ published her claims, the claims of a two-dollar (generous) whore, which are denied by all involved.

The WSJ has gone full-on NeverTrump, TruCon, Salon Hot 25 retard.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at January 13, 2018 12:27 PM (8O3HH)

257 244
You can be sure that there are very dense objects out there, that according to current theory (and observations) so far, must be black holes.

And General Relativity is one of the most successful, and beautiful theories there are (it sends me to the ficus, so hot it is). But it is not the last word, isn't thought to be, and just what lurks behind event horizons, well, we don't know for sure.
Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at January 13, 2018 12:24 PM (8O3HH)

It's the best description we currently have for the observed phenomena, but somebody could eventually come up with a better explanation.

That's how science is done. It's never "settled" by "consensus".

Posted by: rickl at January 13, 2018 12:28 PM (sdi6R)

258 I've rushed, breathlessly, to so many of those articles, only to see another wobble.

A bit depressing, it is...
Posted by: Anon a mouse

Lena Dunham wobbles, therefore she has planets orbiting her, QED.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at January 13, 2018 12:28 PM (5wCUq)

259 >> If math is racist, why do people of color buy lottery tickets?

Shamanism, witchcraft, sorcery. Lucky numbers.

Posted by: pogomip at January 13, 2018 12:28 PM (OMeme)

260 Three British professors recently promulgated the theory that statistics "serve white racial interests" because "numbers are neither objective nor color-blind."

Liberalism is nothing but a bottomless shithole.

Posted by: That deplorable guy who always says shithole... at January 13, 2018 12:28 PM (Tyii7)

261 TRump is a jerk and must get rid of him before he destroys this Cuntry. Trump lied about are Black Presdent and he obviously does not like Blacks. Peeple don't care abput the economy and wants the government to take care of us and the children. Trump must go.................

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at January 13, 2018 12:28 PM (u54O2)

262 I thought the science was settled on black holes.

Science is never settled.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 13, 2018 12:28 PM (xzexB)

263 But they don't know because its too distant and there's not enough data. Its an educated guess, but still a guess.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 13, 2018 12:25 PM (39g3+)

I'll ask Siri !

Posted by: Millennial at January 13, 2018 12:29 PM (XTXXB)

264 Amen to that. God doesn't respect us unless we try.
Posted by: gNewt at January 13, 2018 12:10 PM (8u+2n)

Just the punchline

I sent you a truck, a boat and a helicopter.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 13, 2018 12:12 PM (2DOZq)

Not as big a miracle as what happened to Grammie, but quite literally the Saturday after my Mom's funeral service I was feeling pretty blue: hated my job and Mom had passed on. Checking my email, I had a message my university's Career Services depart about this guy looking for some applicants for a DoD contractor. I pursued this lead and ultimately got the best job I've ever had in my life (and I'm a bit older than 29). During my first evaluation, my supervisor says, "We didn't know it, but you were exactly the guy we needed."

OK, you say - "Get to the point." Well here is the punch line: I never had an email from my university's Career Services before or since I got that one email. I've told my story to my supervior's boss and tell him that I'm convinced I've landed this job at the hand of God, AND, he didn't scoff.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at January 13, 2018 12:29 PM (5Yee7)

265
I can't even use I-95 since they have recently re-blacktopped sections of it.
Posted by: jsg at January 13, 2018 12:26 PM (XTXXB)

That sounds racist.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at January 13, 2018 12:29 PM (lKyWE)

266 There is a art to Leftism, how to bend everything towards it

Posted by: Skip at January 13, 2018 12:29 PM (aC6Sd)

267
Liberalism is nothing but a bottomless shithole.

Posted by: That deplorable guy who always says shithole... at January 13, 2018 12:28 PM (Tyii7)

Oh there's plenty of bottoms in liberalism. (looks at Barry)

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 13, 2018 12:29 PM (SiINZ)

268 No, they didn't. They found stars in the extreme distance, hundreds of light years away, which exhibit characteristics that are probably are the result of planetary orbits. But they don't know because its too distant and there's not enough data. Its an educated guess, but still a guess.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 13, 2018 12:25 PM (39g3+)

There's also a difference between instrumentation and theory/modeling.

You could say, they "know for a fact it acts like it has planets around it", sorta.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 13, 2018 12:29 PM (T28di)

269
Sesame Street Count is RACIST!!!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 13, 2018 12:29 PM (IqV8l)

270 The WSJ has gone full-on NeverTrump, TruCon, Salon Hot 25 retard.
Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at January 13, 2018 12:27 PM (8O3HH)

Kinda explains the genesis of Fusion GPS, doesn't it?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 13, 2018 12:30 PM (xzexB)

271 " I think the basic problem is that math implies a basic distinction between true and false and the enlightened can't have that. Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

yeah, but the engineers at the top levels will still work with 2+2=4, even as we plebs must openly state that 2+2=5, or be punished for WrongThink.

The elite like to let us know they get away with their crimes, as Hillary and the rest became accustomed to. That forces people to give up hope ... (or build guillotines)

Posted by: illiniwek at January 13, 2018 12:30 PM (otAqJ)

272 I've rushed, breathlessly, to so many of those articles, only to see another wobble.

Well that's the best they can do at this distance. Its like trying to identify a bird in a tree you spotted. Its um, brownish, it has a tail. Maybe its a sparrow? A wren? You give it your best educated guess, and you may be incredibly educated. But you can't see it well enough to tell, you can't pick out the details. Its too far away, too small, too dark.

But journalists don't understand any of this. They don't understand science, they barely learned any in grade school. So they hear "we spotted a star that has characteristics similar to what we expect from planets" and go SCIENTISTS FIND PLANETS AROUND DISTANT STAR because they're too stupid to know better.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 13, 2018 12:30 PM (39g3+)

273 "There is a art to Leftism, how to bend everything towards it"

Wait...don't Black Holes have that same ability?

Hmmmm....

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 13, 2018 12:30 PM (EyPfd)

274 *Suggested edit
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 13, 2018 12:18 PM (EyPfd)

Edit accepted as......probable.

Posted by: Soona at January 13, 2018 12:30 PM (Fs5vw)

275 Jeff Bezos donates $33 million to fund college scholarships for Dreamers

I guess $33 million isn't a racist number but Bozos is a shithole
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 13, 2018 12:26 PM (SiINZ)

If we really want to be rayciss, we might point out that 33 mil would go a lot further, if he pays for them to go to kollej, in their countries of origin.

Because I gotta believe the community college of mexico city is cheaper than Hahvad and Yeal.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 13, 2018 12:31 PM (Pz4pT)

276 Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at January 13, 2018 12:29 PM (5Yee7)

Yep. I have always said our life is like a game of pachinko and every once in a while God will intervene and push that steel ball in the direction he wants .

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 13, 2018 12:32 PM (2DOZq)

277 'Time to pull the kids out of GOVERNMENT school yet?'

For us it was 10 years ago. And we did.

Posted by: freaked at January 13, 2018 12:32 PM (UdKB7)

278 There's obviously some phenomnon occuring there, but it just might not look like anything we commonly imagine as a "black hole"."

See, that's the problem, and I'm not sure what happened.
Onceduponatime, it was pretty much standard that one used data to develop initial theories, then moved on in search of the next steps.
Sometime in the past, oh, 40 years or so, much "science" has devolved into searching for data in support of a given theory, and (here's the kicker) discarding all other data.
Odd, it is...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 13, 2018 12:32 PM (7LY+6)

279 OK, you say - "Get to the point." Well here is the
punch line: I never had an email from my university's Career Services
before or since I got that one email. I've told my story to my
supervior's boss and tell him that I'm convinced I've landed this job at
the hand of God, AND, he didn't scoff.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at January 13, 2018 12:29 PM (5Yee7)
=========================

That's so awesome. Same thing here. My hematologist wrote in my chart - "Act of God." His nurse probably thought he was nuts.

So glad for you.

Posted by: grammie winger - for such a time as this at January 13, 2018 12:32 PM (lwiT4)

280 >> but somebody could eventually come up with a
>> better explanation.

If you're interested, remind me on the ONT one night, and we'll talk. There's some very interesting "extensions" to GR that are exciting to me, at least. But no time to talk.

Look up Einstein-Cartan-Sciama-Kibble theory. Makes GR look like romper room 'rithmetic. A guy name Poplawski or something like that came up with something intriguing based on that.

Anyway, my brain ain't working enough to even try to discuss that.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at January 13, 2018 12:33 PM (8O3HH)

281 >>>Check out the link on guilt-tripping Asian students for "colorblind racism", too. Maybe we need to set up a new educational system.

That gave me a headache. I'm still not sure what that term means.

All I could gather is that this is another stupid race-baiting professor who hates white people, although she didn't mock them for liking bbq (or whatever cuisine the other one did). Maybe she's bitter because she was too dumb to get into a STEM program and had to settle for being an Asian studies "prof".

I think the upshot is that she wants to meddle in students' right of free association, like the Harvard ban on off campus fraternities/sororities. She doesn't like people who just want to hang out in their own circles. If foreign Asian students prefer to hang out with other foreign Asian students because they're too bigoted to assimilate, this is due to "structures of power and white supremacy". Beyond that I'm not really sure what she is proposing. Go get me some wonton soup, beotch.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at January 13, 2018 12:34 PM (/qEW2)

282
If we really want to be rayciss, we might point out that 33 mil would go a lot further, if he pays for them to go to kollej, in their countries of origin.

If you want to be Industrial Strength Sooper Dooper Rayciss you could point out that enabling all these dreamers to live here and grow their fantastic irreplaceable brains in the USA constitutes a serious Brain Drain on their country of origin.

Posted by: kallisto at January 13, 2018 12:34 PM (Iz8Py)

283 Again, I'm going to assert that we have reached the limits of what science can practically and accurately determine with the instruments and information we have. Anything new they try or examine is outside the reasonable range of knowledge.

So you get the wilder flights of outrageous fancy like the whole bubble theory of cosmology, string theory, and all these "what if, then what if, then what if, then what if, then here's my conclusion" type of scientific theorizing.

Until we get out there, personally, all we have is guys staring at the ocean guessing at what lies beyond the horizon and we're seeing more and more "must be dragons over there" kind of statements.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 13, 2018 12:34 PM (39g3+)

284 I will say this in addition:

Science (GOOD Science) is settled, in a way. But it is always incomplete.

F = ma. Always.

Just turns out our understanding of "m" and "a" needed some tweaking.

Or another example:

The Earth is Round. Just, not as Round as we thought. But still pretty freakin' Round.

Science is "settled", almost by definition, as long as we understand "settled" the right way. Otherwise, it's not Science, it's either a lucky guess or just plain being wrong.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 13, 2018 12:34 PM (T28di)

285 12 times tables is a shitload of tables,where the chairs @!

Posted by: saf at January 13, 2018 12:35 PM (cS/ge)

286 Posted by: BurtTC at January 13, 2018 12:24 PM (Pz4pT)

In your analogy it would be more like friend disappeared from a spot and what looks like imprints from some type of space ship is the only thing found.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 13, 2018 12:27 PM (2DOZq)

Yes, that works. I don't really know what evidence there is for black holes, because honestly I don't really need to know. I'm sure there's some. Just not enough to go on, to have reached the "conclusions" they've reached.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 13, 2018 12:35 PM (Pz4pT)

287 Its like trying to identify a bird in a tree you spotted"

Which is the other "sciency" thing that drives me batshiite - "hey, we discovered the brown twitwillow, once extinct, now living in Montana" or some such.

There's so much idiocy in such statements that I just can't....

Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 13, 2018 12:36 PM (7LY+6)

288 My hematologist wrote in my chart - "Act of God." His nurse probably thought he was nuts.

Of all the people I've known, doctors are the most ready to believe in miracles and divine intervention. They know the limits of their ability and what they can accomplish to heal and mend. They know when something happens beyond those limits.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 13, 2018 12:36 PM (39g3+)

289 I saw Einstein-Cartan-Sciama-Kibble Theory open for Thomas Dolby at the Cow Palace back in '83.

Posted by: That deplorable guy who always says shithole... at January 13, 2018 12:36 PM (Tyii7)

290 "Science is never settled."

The Fcuk, you say!!!!

Posted by: Climate Warmists everywhere at January 13, 2018 12:37 PM (EyPfd)

291 Math is White Power!

Posted by: WNinMN at January 13, 2018 12:37 PM (pV4s0)

292 Science is "settled", almost by definition, as long as we understand "settled" the right way. Otherwise, it's not Science, it's either a lucky guess or just plain being wrong.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 13, 2018 12:34 PM (T28di)

Yes. The Laws of Physics are settled. We just don't yet know what all the laws are, and some of them we think we know, we might be wrong about them.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 13, 2018 12:38 PM (Pz4pT)

293 The way my next door neighbor's kids describe their teachers in elementary school is this. The typical teacher is a morbidly obese black female who speaks in ebonics, who is functionally illiterate, and who can not do any of the 'problems' is their assigments, much less explain how they are supposed to be done.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at January 13, 2018 12:03 PM

I don't know if the elementary and secondary certification tests are different, but the math teachers I work with have called textbook companies to report mistakes in our new books. I know elementary teachers - thankfully not in my district - who failed basic skills tests multiple times before passing.

I have noticed that some of my below-average students express an interest in becoming teachers. I think it's because their teachers have worked so patiently with them. Kind of like our delinquents who want to be cops because their parole officers are the finest people they know.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at January 13, 2018 12:38 PM (G8B7r)

294 Again, I'm going to assert that we have reached the limits of what science can practically and accurately determine with the instruments and information we have."

Actual research is hard. And often dangerous, expensive, and usually leads to heartbreak (ok, dead ends).

Scribbling equations, OTOH, is *relatively* easy, cheaper, and quite a bit less dangerous.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 13, 2018 12:38 PM (7LY+6)

295
Even in General Relavity, you have F = ma, but what you mean by "F'", "m", and "a" need a bit of further understanding.

"a" is no longer a simple coordinate acceleration, but a covariant derivative measuring the deviation from the geodesic, measure by a local ruler and clock.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at January 13, 2018 12:38 PM (8O3HH)

296 Which is the other "sciency" thing that drives me batshiite - "hey, we discovered the brown twitwillow, once extinct, now living in Montana" or some such.

Yeah, as if it sprung ex nihilo out of the sky and is now among us again. Of course, that's sloppy reporting again, from rank ignorance.

I hate it when people declare a species extinct. You don't know that. All you know is that you can't find any. But the world is gigantic, and there may still be some out there.

After a while the likelihood becomes increasingly high (again, probabilities, inductive reasoning), such as with the dodo, but its never 100%.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 13, 2018 12:38 PM (39g3+)

297
I was feeling pretty blue: hated my job and Mom had passed on. Checking my email, I had a message my university's Career Services depart about this guy looking for some applicants for a DoD contractor. I pursued this lead and ultimately got the best job I've ever had in my life

I've heard stories like these after a loved one has passed on. Maybe Mom pulled some strings for you on the other side.

One recent tale: My friend's brother was forcibly evicted from his house due to bank repo. He had a heart condition and had to go to hospital, ended up at his sibling's abode. He knew he couldn't stay there longterm, so he started making phone calls. His friend knew of a house that had been taken off the market and wasn't going back up for sale until April, so guy could stay there in the interim. The house in question was the home the evicted guy's dad had built for his mom. (The mom was recently deceased.)

Posted by: kallisto at January 13, 2018 12:38 PM (Iz8Py)

298 I always like the graffiti I saw in a library cubicle once.

E = Mc2

Albert Einstein

C+ Next time show your work.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 13, 2018 12:39 PM (2DOZq)

299 My hematologist wrote in my chart - "Act of God."

Huh. Mine said "Aliens"...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 13, 2018 12:39 PM (7LY+6)

300
Science is just a theory.

Posted by: Andrew Chin at January 13, 2018 12:39 PM (GroCc)

301 288 My hematologist wrote in my chart - "Act of God." His nurse probably thought he was nuts.

Of all the people I've known, doctors are the most ready to believe in miracles and divine intervention. They know the limits of their ability and what they can accomplish to heal and mend. They know when something happens beyond those limits.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 13, 2018 12:36 PM (39g3+)

Isn't that actually a legit insurancey/legal term for that sort of thing?

Insulates the doctors and hospitals from certain forms of malpractice suit.

"I don't know why, but he's better. Don't blame me if he's suddenly not better later. Wasn't my fault"

i think it's something like that.

Not to be too much of a cynic, but still.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 13, 2018 12:40 PM (T28di)

302 "If you want to be Industrial Strength Sooper Dooper Rayciss you could point out that enabling all these dreamers to live here and grow their fantastic irreplaceable brains in the USA constitutes a serious Brain Drain on their country of origin."

How about we create a program where their country of Origin pays for their education here, with the understanding that immediately upon graduation, they, and any family return to their nation of origin, in order to seed their population with educated people?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 13, 2018 12:40 PM (EyPfd)

303 I hate it when people declare a species extinct. You don't know that. All you know is that you can't find any. But the world is gigantic, and there may still be some out there.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

I'm not dead yet!
I'm feeling better!

Posted by: Coelacanth at January 13, 2018 12:40 PM (5wCUq)

304 'hate it when people declare a species extinct. You don't know that.'

Whew what a relief.

Posted by: T-Rex at January 13, 2018 12:41 PM (UdKB7)

305 I have a feeling the endgame is massaging numbers for past and future commie genocides. Also, reperations on a global level. They won't let it go.

Posted by: Monk at January 13, 2018 12:41 PM (g4lFK)

306 Science is just a theory.
Posted by: Andrew Chin at January 13, 2018 12:39 PM (GroCc)

Science = theory + 2 * experiment

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 13, 2018 12:41 PM (T28di)

307 They're really running with the porn star payoff story... Things must really going to be hitting the fan for this type of desperation

Posted by: It's me donna at January 13, 2018 12:41 PM (O2RFr)

308 The statistics are objective and color blind. They don't fit the narrative. Hence the problem.

Posted by: PhilDirt at January 13, 2018 11:32 AM (xN4eE)

The numbers don't lie, so ignore them. Classic case of "kill the messenger".

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 13, 2018 12:41 PM (sD2WN)

309 Shamanism, witchcraft, sorcery. Lucky numbers.
Posted by: pogomip at January 13, 2018 12:28 PM (OMeme) Lottery dream books!!! Every newsstand used to have them.I wonder if I can get one on Amazon.

Posted by: kallisto at January 13, 2018 12:41 PM (Iz8Py)

310 The Laws of Physics are settled. We just don't yet know what all the laws are, and some of them we think we know, we might be wrong about them.

Again, because science is effectively guesswork, based on extremely structured, methodical, and educated understanding and observation, it is never certain, only very probable. Some things are extremely probable to the point of the likelihood of falsehood being infinitesimal, but still possible.

Such as water. To our best repeated observation, water appears to be made up of H2O. That's not absolutely certain, but its certain to the point of absurdity. Its possible that some other combination could result in water, but we are unaware of it or how it could happen, and it is exceptionally unlikely.

But the more you study science, the more odd exceptions keep popping up, demonstrating that things are insanely more complicated than you ever thought.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 13, 2018 12:41 PM (39g3+)

311 3 out of every 4 illegals in this country come from shithole nations.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 13, 2018 12:41 PM (0tfLf)

312 Everything I know about black holes I learned from watching FarScape.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 13, 2018 12:41 PM (2DOZq)

313 167 White people got nobody. Got nobody they can depend on.
Is the FBI white people? The NYT is busy whitesplaining that the FBI is having a difficult time tracing down Stephen (Las Vegas shooter) Paddock's activities because he followed the same pattern as all mass casualty shooters. _Damn.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/ybmdkjb7
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Yeah, these guys are not trying to sweep anything under the rug, no way.... Yeah his girlfriend is a suspect and accomplice because she helped him load AR-15 magazines. THAT makes sense, the sort of sense that will last 5 minutes in front of any competent defense attorney. This is all kabuki theater for LIV types. Me, I say Paddock was involved in a FBI investigation that went Murphy and left them scrambling to avoid an investigation.

Posted by: exdem13 at January 13, 2018 12:42 PM (W+kMI)

314 "[Q]uantitative data is often gathered and analyzed in ways that reflect the interests, assumptions, and perceptions of White elites".
________

NEWS FLASH: Quantitative data is often gathered and analyzed in ways that reflect the interests, assumptions, and perceptions of a lot of people looking to advance their own interests.

Math skills are one's only defense. That's why you need more math, not less.

Posted by: FireHorse at January 13, 2018 12:42 PM (y+SdL)

315 General Relativity has never failed a single prediction, and is one of the most tested theories in the history of testing.

If you accept the proven fact that time flows differently in different circumstances, it's hard to entertain the notion that GR is wrong about something so mundane as a black hole.

Seriously think they've been proven too. We've never seen quarks, we know they're there.

Posted by: Doh at January 13, 2018 12:42 PM (TzscB)

316 Look how inclusive 4 is. It's like and arm hugging itself with inclusive joy.

You are part of the patriarchal problem.

Or a Guy sitting on the Toilet taking a shit

Posted by: MISH McConnell at January 13, 2018 12:44 PM (y3aQB)

317 demonstrating that things are insanely more complicated than you thought"

Or even contemplate. It's as if there were some guiding principles that we can only glimpse from time to time...

Hmm.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 13, 2018 12:44 PM (7LY+6)

318 "a" is no longer a simple coordinate acceleration, but a covariant
derivative measuring the deviation from the geodesic, measure by a local
ruler and clock.

And I made all of this possible.

Posted by: Achmed the Clock Boy at January 13, 2018 12:44 PM (Tyii7)

319 But the more you study science, the more odd exceptions keep popping up, demonstrating that things are insanely more complicated than you ever thought.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 13, 2018 12:41 PM (39g3+)

Sounds like we're starting to veer close to the Popper/Wittgenstein debate.

I'll hide the pokers.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 13, 2018 12:45 PM (T28di)

320 The way astronomers have deduced the existence of planets around nearby stars is that they've observed wobbles in their positions that can be explained by gravitational effects of the unseen planets.

And gravitational theory is refined enough that this is the simplest explanation, even if the planets themselves have not been seen or photographed.

The wobbles have always been there; it's just that only recently have our instruments been sensitive enough to detect them.

They can get an idea of the planets' sizes, masses, and distances, but MSM depictions of the conditions and appearances of them are just conjectures based on what we know about the planets in our own solar system.

Posted by: rickl at January 13, 2018 12:45 PM (sdi6R)

321 They're really running with the porn star payoff story.

Its getting zero traction though. The left is talking about it but its not getting anywhere. For one thing, why would anyone pay a porn star to not talk about sex? They have sex for a living with strangers, its not like they are chatty about it. There's nothing interesting or noteworthy there for them. Its like paying an accountant to not talk about the last sum they added up.

For another, who cares if a man over a decade ago had sex with some woman? In this culture its completely non interesting, it is not news.

For a third, both he and the woman deny it ever happened, so why is it even being discussed?

They want so badly for "Republicans are led by a sexual harasser" to be the narrative so they can get a Contract With America takeover of congress, but its just not getting traction.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 13, 2018 12:45 PM (39g3+)

322 Yeah, as if it sprung ex nihilo out of the sky and is now among us again. Of course, that's sloppy reporting again, from rank ignorance.

I hate it when people declare a species extinct. You don't know that. All you know is that you can't find any. But the world is gigantic, and there may still be some out there.

After a while the likelihood becomes increasingly high (again, probabilities, inductive reasoning), such as with the dodo, but its never 100%.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 13, 2018 12:38 PM (39g3+)

I started reading one of the Charles Fort books, recommended on the Book Thread recently. I don't know if I'm going to continue with it. It's kinda fun, but it's probably going to wear thin long before I get too far into it.

Things springing out of the sky, with no obvious origin.

Yeah, no.

Things springing out of the newspaper clippings you're reading, is more like it.

One thing we know for certain, about which the science is settled: You can't believe everything you read in the paper... or the "science" journals these days.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 13, 2018 12:45 PM (Pz4pT)

323 And you're a racist! And you're a racist! EVERYBODY is a racist!

Posted by: josephistan at January 13, 2018 12:45 PM (ANIFC)

324 The maths, according to Maxine:

In Peach Fo Fi

I'z a spelin kween, to.

Posted by: Who You Lookin at, Foo? at January 13, 2018 12:46 PM (c7NXH)

325
How about we create a program where their
country of Origin pays for their education here, with the understanding
that immediately upon graduation, they, and any family return to their
nation of origin, in order to seed their population with educated
people? Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 13, 2018 12:40 PM (EyPfd)
=====

Pretty darned sure that most of us have lived with and/or learned from foreign exchange students. Wasn't that the whole point of the program? Had a friend from Ethiopia whose term was extended to two years and he promised that he was going back to improve his country. Don't know if he did or if he survived. Dayum, that is a hard and bitter country.

Posted by: mustbequantum at January 13, 2018 12:46 PM (MIKMs)

326 65 percent of our property taxes go to funding this shit? Posted by: Under Fire

yeah ... it bugs me that much of the salary and then (unfunded golden) pensions are propped up by bribing the union thugs, who bribe our politicians.

And then those that save invest in stocks that build China's infrastructure and their military. That big sucking sound sucks money right from the local tax structure, and sends it off. As if losing the jobs was not enough.

Posted by: illiniwek at January 13, 2018 12:47 PM (otAqJ)

327 that can be explained by gravitational effects of ~~the unseen planets~~ Oprah, tooling round the Universe..

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 13, 2018 12:47 PM (EyPfd)

328 >> General Relativity has never failed a single prediction, and is one of the most tested theories in the history of testing.
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Oh yes. There is a desire to probe to even deeper levels of precision, to try to find it's breaking point, where quantum gravity might take over.

But so far, it holds. And holds good. See some papers, let's Will I think "Confrontation of Relativity with Experiment" something like that for a long discussion of just how good Uncle Al's Magnum Opus is.

And Kenneth Nortvedt, one of the high priests of gravitation, who has done decades of measurement with lunar laser ranging.

Basically, the motion of the Earth-Moon system is within 2cm of where GR says it should be at any time, and he was puhsing it to get to mm level accuracy.

See PPN parameters, and you could get a idea of how tiny any deviation in GR the actual gravitational theory can be. It's very tiny indeed.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at January 13, 2018 12:48 PM (8O3HH)

329 I'll hide the pokers. "

Snort.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 13, 2018 12:48 PM (7LY+6)

330 311 3 out of every 4 illegals in this country come from shithole nations.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 13, 2018 12:41 PM (0tfLf)

A Craftsman model 1019 Laboratory Edition Signature Series torque wrench finds this statement to be dead on balls accurate.

Posted by: jsg at January 13, 2018 12:48 PM (ioQ79)

331 General Relativity never commanded combat troops in battle. He was always a staff officer.

Posted by: Andrew Chin at January 13, 2018 12:49 PM (GroCc)

332 All right, fellas, ready to feel pretty?

https://tinyurl.com/y89n7zx6

(link goes to NY Post and is safe except for the small photo of the glitter boob marchers at the bottom)

Posted by: bluebell at January 13, 2018 12:49 PM (kNasr)

333 The number 3 looks like my grandma. She had an ample bosom and always wore a dress, belted in the middle. I like 3.

Posted by: grammie winger - for such a time as this at January 13, 2018 12:50 PM (lwiT4)

334 Those Fort books have some great stuff:

Sept. 2, 1905-the tragedy of the space-pig:

In the English Mechanic, 86 -100, Col. Markwick writes that, according to the Cambrian Natural Observer, something was seen in the sky, at Llangollen, Wales, Sept. 2, 1905. It is described as an intensely black object, about two miles above the earth's surface, moving at the rate of about twenty miles an hour.

According to several witnesses it looked like a huge, winged pig, with webbed feet. "Much speculation was rife as to what the mysterious object could be."

Posted by: T-Rex at January 13, 2018 12:50 PM (UdKB7)

335 http://bit.ly/2AXbpqZ

Trump names David Schenker new Middle East head at State Department - DEBKAfile

Posted by: MISH McConnell at January 13, 2018 12:50 PM (y3aQB)

336 The Laws of Physics are settled. We just don't yet know what all the laws are, and some of them we think we know, we might be wrong about them.
----------------------------------------------------
Again, because science is effectively guesswork, based on extremely structured, methodical, and educated understanding and observation, it is never certain, only very probable. Some things are extremely probable to the point of the likelihood of falsehood being infinitesimal, but still possible.

Such as water. To our best repeated observation, water appears to be made up of H2O. That's not absolutely certain, but its certain to the point of absurdity. Its possible that some other combination could result in water, but we are unaware of it or how it could happen, and it is exceptionally unlikely.

But the more you study science, the more odd exceptions keep popping up, demonstrating that things are insanely more complicated than you ever thought.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 13, 2018 12:41 PM (39g3+)

Heh. I love you, Christopher, like a mother from another brother, but this is a wonderful illustration of your point, and an illustration how you took a simple statement I made, and dove into the intricacy and complexity of it, and honestly, made it less understandable.

There have been times when I've gotten frustrated with you, because I believed we are IN TOTAL AGREEMENT, and yet you insist on arguing! Precisely because my statement, which is a simpler version of yours, doesn't contain all the complexity you prefer!!

Which is a hoot.

And I wouldn't want it any other way. So please, carry on.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 13, 2018 12:51 PM (Pz4pT)

337 Zip has a Talcom-X sighting.

https://www.weaselzippers.us/?p=371052

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 13, 2018 12:51 PM (EyPfd)

338 >> General Relativity never commanded combat troops in battle. He was always a staff officer.

No, he commands the motion of the heavens, sir.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at January 13, 2018 12:51 PM (8O3HH)

339 And gravitational theory is refined enough that this is the simplest explanation"

And whilst I will yield to no one in championing the "simplest theory" methodology, the reality is that we won't know until we see one.

And here's the other part - tell folks we have yet to see a remote planet, and they'll tell you you're not "science".

It's sad, really.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 13, 2018 12:51 PM (7LY+6)

340 And gravitational theory is refined enough that this is the simplest explanation, even if the planets themselves have not been seen or photographed.

Sure. And they very well may be planets. They probably are. My point isn't that they're wrong, only that they are working upon very limited data and calculations, rather than empirical, observed data.

Its the difference between hearing something rattling around in the kitchen when nobody is in there and seeing the cat walking on the counters.

Its most probably the cat, that is the best explanation based on what you know and the information you have. But until you see the cat, its only an educated guess. Science gives you the most probable answer, usually at an extremely high level of probability.

The problems come when people believe that science gives you absolute certainty and unquestionable accuracy. That it cannot be wrong, that it found the final answer, and that anyone who questions this is a ~~heretic~~ science-denier.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 13, 2018 12:51 PM (39g3+)

341 I really like all the math theory, but need it "mansplained" to me by real scientists. I had 13 hours college calculus, but differential equations might as well be written in Chinese as far as my current understanding goes. That stuff faded long ago, but it really impresses me what some can do.

But then even Einstein's Theory was not quite resolved, as I understand it. And only since like 1998 did they decide most of the "universe" is dark matter or some such. But we haven't found it yet.

Posted by: illiniwek at January 13, 2018 12:52 PM (otAqJ)

342 because I believed we are IN TOTAL AGREEMENT, and yet you insist on arguing!
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This sounds like the first time I sat down to dinner with my future husband's family. They all argued all through dinner, and they were all on the same side.

Posted by: bluebell at January 13, 2018 12:52 PM (kNasr)

343 But the more you study science, the more odd exceptions keep popping up, demonstrating that things are insanely more complicated than you ever thought.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 13, 2018 12:41 PM (39g3+)

So true. I use computer models for a living and you know how we deal with this complexity? Ignore it and state quite forthrightly the limitations and assumptions in the model. To have some douche say, "Don't question me, I'm a scientist doing sciency models and stuff," yeah whatever, dude, color me unimpressed.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at January 13, 2018 12:52 PM (5Yee7)

344 334 Those Fort books have some great stuff:

Sept. 2, 1905-the tragedy of the space-pig:

In the English Mechanic, 86 -100, Col. Markwick writes that, according to the Cambrian Natural Observer, something was seen in the sky, at Llangollen, Wales, Sept. 2, 1905. It is described as an intensely black object, about two miles above the earth's surface, moving at the rate of about twenty miles an hour.

According to several witnesses it looked like a huge, winged pig, with webbed feet. "Much speculation was rife as to what the mysterious object could be."
Posted by: T-Rex at January 13, 2018 12:50 PM (UdKB7)

Roger Waters concert?

Posted by: josephistan at January 13, 2018 12:52 PM (ANIFC)

345 I was thinking at lunch one day this week that extinctions happen, they want to save every specie like the world depends on it. Well more species are extint than there are now, maybe we should bring back thise we could, it would be cool to see Sabre Tooth Tigers in the woods of the US.

Posted by: Skip at January 13, 2018 12:52 PM (aC6Sd)

346 'General Relativity never commanded combat troops in battle. He was always a staff officer. '

Klink!!!

I am a Staff Officer

Posted by: General Burkhalter at January 13, 2018 12:52 PM (EyPfd)

347 Well, as Martha said, it's been 4 days and there's a bad odor. Time for a shower. bbl

Posted by: grammie winger - for such a time as this at January 13, 2018 12:52 PM (lwiT4)

348 Steele and the Russians have a tape of Trump fucking Stormy Daniels up her shithole.

Posted by: Billy Wynner at January 13, 2018 12:53 PM (ifloA)

349 Act of God personal story . .

We lost a pregnancy to a genetic disorder at 4 months. Left us shattered. One night at dinner table, our 3 year old decided to put my hand on wife's hand. He'd never done that before. Didn't ever do it again.

No doubt in my mind what happened.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at January 13, 2018 12:53 PM (+2reP)

350 294 Again, I'm going to assert that we have reached the limits of what science can practically and accurately determine with the instruments and information we have."

Actual research is hard. And often dangerous, expensive, and usually leads to heartbreak (ok, dead ends).

Scribbling equations, OTOH, is *relatively* easy, cheaper, and quite a bit less dangerous.
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Observing stuff at a remove has accomplished all it can accomplish. Some direct observation and testing is called for. But our scientists are shackled by dependence on government money for the most part, and the government is filled with people who have no interest in letting people go back into space. Space travel is dangerous, unregulated, takes money away from social services, and occasionally having to hold funerals.

Posted by: exdem13 at January 13, 2018 12:53 PM (W+kMI)

351 I really like all the math theory, but need it "mansplained" to me by real scientists. I had 13 hours college calculus"

Something tells me you're about as well equipped as many "real scientists"...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 13, 2018 12:53 PM (7LY+6)

352 Keith Jackson - and Chris Schenkel. The voices of college football for some of us. Truly the golden age of college football TV.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 13, 2018 12:53 PM (QDnY+)

353 Heh. I love you, Christopher, like a mother from another brother, but this is a wonderful illustration of your point, and an illustration how you took a simple statement I made, and dove into the intricacy and complexity of it, and honestly, made it less understandable.

My point wasn't to disagree with you, but to expand on what you said in order to argue against the tendency some people have to absolutize and fetishize science. They turn it into a faith, a certainty that cannot be questioned, and act as if when a guy puts on a lab coat and says something it may not be questioned.

And also to point out the complexity and difficulty of science which reporters cannot seem to grasp. A scientist says "it appears that the current rate of consumption of petroleum from known sources will use up all we are presently aware of by 2027" The reporter understands about every 6 words and says "WORLD RUNNING OUT OF OIL!" "WE'RE ALL DOOMED BY 2027!"

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 13, 2018 12:54 PM (39g3+)

354 Space travel is dangerous, unregulated, takes money away from social services, and occasionally having to hold funerals."

Whitey on the Moon...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 13, 2018 12:54 PM (7LY+6)

355 No doubt in my mind what happened.
Posted by: 2009Refugee at January 13, 2018 12:53 PM (+2reP)
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Nor in mine. Beautiful.

Posted by: bluebell at January 13, 2018 12:54 PM (kNasr)

356
Maybe we just need to scrap all this reeking pile of progressive bullshit and return to the traditional and strip the current academic institutions of all authority.

Posted by: irongrampa at January 13, 2018 12:54 PM (S/hVx)

357 How about we create a program where their
country of Origin pays for their education here, with the understanding
that immediately upon graduation, they, and any family return to their
nation of origin, in order to seed their population with educated
people? Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 13, 2018 12:40 PM (EyPfd)
=====

Pretty darned sure that most of us have lived with and/or learned from foreign exchange students. Wasn't that the whole point of the program? Had a friend from Ethiopia whose term was extended to two years and he promised that he was going back to improve his country. Don't know if he did or if he survived. Dayum, that is a hard and bitter country.

Posted by: mustbequantum at January 13, 2018 12:46 PM (MIKMs)

I had a friend in grad school, who was from China, working on her third or fourth post-graduate degree. Last I heard, she had relocated to another state, to work on still another degree.

All paid for by China, I believe. And wherever she was, she would be living with a family who was here on some form of legal immigrant status.

It's a living. Seriously, that was my first exposure to the concept of the "professional student." Really nice girl, she was. And presumably still is.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 13, 2018 12:55 PM (Pz4pT)

358
But then even Einstein's Theory was not quite resolved, as I
understand it. And only since like 1998 did they decide most of the
"universe" is dark matter or some such. But we haven't found it yet.
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Must be . . .

Posted by: mustbequantum at January 13, 2018 12:55 PM (MIKMs)

359
There are many methods of exoplanet detection, not just gravitational, available now. See transit photometry, for example.

If gravitational observations (wobble) say a planet may be there, and the orbit is such that it transits the star in our line of sight, you can see a twinkle, a little dimming in the light.

So, gravitational wobble, then dimming of light. Something is passing in front of the star. Something planet like.

As the sensitivity improves and more instruments get sent up, they'll soon be detecting possible atmospheres of exoplanets.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at January 13, 2018 12:56 PM (8O3HH)

360
it would be cool to see Sabre Tooth Tigers in the woods of the US.

Sasquatch/Sabre Tooth steel cage match FTW!

Posted by: kallisto at January 13, 2018 12:56 PM (Iz8Py)

361 Gardening Thread is up. Feel free to hang around here, though.

Posted by: KT at January 13, 2018 12:56 PM (BVQ+1)

362
Lysenkoism thrives.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at January 13, 2018 12:56 PM (oVJmc)

363 All right, fellas, ready to feel pretty?

https://tinyurl.com/y89n7zx6

(link goes to NY Post and is safe except for the small photo of the glitter boob marchers at the bottom)

Posted by: bluebell at January 13, 2018 12:49 PM

Breaks one of my dating rules: Never date any man prettier than I am.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at January 13, 2018 12:57 PM (G8B7r)

364 Nothing new here, and the snowflakes are right, in a way. Statistics was already the most effective way to lie before Mark Twain invented the internet. Having missed out so far, they want their piece of the action.

It's the ultimate in "story problems." Yes certainly, statistical analysis of a planetary wobble will show you amazing things. But you have to set up the problem, and its limits, based on what you expect and don't expect to find. It's entirely possible to set up a statistical problem to prove, oh, say, astrology. By selective editing, one might appear to prove almost anything.

And people DO that. It's why "studies show" so many things that you know are not true. It's because mathematics is inward-looking and philosophic, so does not have an anti-bullshit factor built into it. Mathematicians do not realize this and, star-struck, believe that the universe speaks to them alone. They get used a lot therefore, and keep falling for it.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 13, 2018 12:57 PM (H5rtT)

365
This sounds like the first time I sat down to dinner with my future husband's family. They all argued all through dinner, and they were all on the same side.

Posted by: bluebell at January 13, 2018 12:52 PM (kNasr)
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Italian?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at January 13, 2018 12:57 PM (qJtVm)

366 >> Yes. The Laws of Physics are settled. We just don't yet know what all the laws are, and some of them we think we know, we might be wrong about them.

Posted by: BurtTC
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Laws of Physics are approximations.

Posted by: pogomip at January 13, 2018 12:58 PM (qZwID)

367 Must be . . .
Posted by: mustbequantum at January 13, 2018 12:55 PM (MIKMs)

And simultaneously must not be. Until observed.

Posted by: hogmartin at January 13, 2018 12:58 PM (y87Qq)

368 It is too cold to talk about gardening unless we're talking seed catalogs.

Posted by: Andrew Chin at January 13, 2018 12:58 PM (GroCc)

369 The reporter understands about every 6 words and says "WORLD RUNNING OUT OF OIL!" "WE'RE ALL DOOMED BY 2027!"

Read an SF tale (Asimov???) with a bit about a "reporter" accompanying an expedition studying an alien construct. When told that a display might be a diagram of an atom, the "reporter" gushed "they had atomic power, right" (or some such)

Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 13, 2018 12:58 PM (7LY+6)

370 Heh. I love you, Christopher, like a mother from another brother, but this is a wonderful illustration of your point, and an illustration how you took a simple statement I made, and dove into the intricacy and complexity of it, and honestly, made it less understandable.
----------------------------------------------------
My point wasn't to disagree with you, but to expand on what you said in order to argue against the tendency some people have to absolutize and fetishize science. They turn it into a faith, a certainty that cannot be questioned, and act as if when a guy puts on a lab coat and says something it may not be questioned.

And also to point out the complexity and difficulty of science which reporters cannot seem to grasp. A scientist says "it appears that the current rate of consumption of petroleum from known sources will use up all we are presently aware of by 2027" The reporter understands about every 6 words and says "WORLD RUNNING OUT OF OIL!" "WE'RE ALL DOOMED BY 2027!"
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 13, 2018 12:54 PM (39g3+)

Right, no, sorry. I didn't mean to imply you were disagreeing with me, this time.

What I meant to say is, there have been times in the past when your efforts to "further expand" on a concept have been quite exasperating to me. And I think it does genuinely stem from a desire on your part to add more understanding to an issue.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 13, 2018 12:59 PM (Pz4pT)

371 Posted by: BurtTC at January 13, 2018 12:55 PM (Pz4pT)

No doubt a percentage of those students and graduates who stay are paid spies .

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 13, 2018 01:00 PM (2DOZq)

372 1,2, many.

Posted by: African Number System at January 13, 2018 01:00 PM (3BFzK)

373 Shithole comment : Bad

Dry toilet : Good

Posted by: jsg at January 13, 2018 01:00 PM (ioQ79)

374 water is what we say it is ... that's the point of definitions. Isn't it?

there might be left-handed water, and right-handed, but in any case, we get to define the terms.

Posted by: illiniwek at January 13, 2018 01:01 PM (otAqJ)

375 Guess I better start the re-write of the Critique of Pure Reason.

And, by the way, Socrates is pissed.

Posted by: Immanuel Kant at January 13, 2018 01:01 PM (6xYv/)

376 Italian?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at January 13, 2018 12:57 PM (qJtVm)
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Worse. Irish.

(And I'm both, and more!)

Posted by: bluebell at January 13, 2018 01:02 PM (kNasr)

377 340
Its the difference between hearing something rattling around in the kitchen when nobody is in there and seeing the cat walking on the counters.

Its most probably the cat, that is the best explanation based on what you know and the information you have. But until you see the cat, its only an educated guess. Science gives you the most probable answer, usually at an extremely high level of probability.

The problems come when people believe that science gives you absolute certainty and unquestionable accuracy. That it cannot be wrong, that it found the final answer, and that anyone who questions this is a heretic science-denier.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 13, 2018 12:51 PM (39g3+)

Agreed. And the simple-minded media doesn't do us any favors in that regard. So we get headlines like

"Scientists discover planets around nearby stars"

instead of

"Scientists discover evidence of planets around nearby stars"

Posted by: rickl at January 13, 2018 01:03 PM (sdi6R)

378 Breaks one of my dating rules: Never date any man prettier than I am.
Posted by: NaughtyPine at January 13, 2018 12:57 PM (G8B7r)

Had a GF that said she refused to date a man that had bigger boobs than her.
Or if they ever had or currently owned a chevy El Camino

Posted by: MAC SOG and nothing will happen at January 13, 2018 01:03 PM (czkHE)

379 Breaks one of my dating rules: Never date any man prettier than I am.
Posted by: NaughtyPine at January 13, 2018 12:57 PM (G8B7r)
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I have to say those white skirts on the bottom are lovely, but not on those guys. They would look much better on us.

Posted by: bluebell at January 13, 2018 01:04 PM (kNasr)

380 374 water is what we say it is ... that's the point of definitions. Isn't it?

there might be left-handed water, and right-handed, but in any case, we get to define the terms.
Posted by: illiniwek at January 13, 2018 01:01 PM (otAqJ)

A rose by any other name...

Posted by: Shake your spears at January 13, 2018 01:04 PM (2DOZq)

381 "Scientists discover evidence of planets around nearby stars"

Thank you.

Now on to crush those who say "hot water heater" and "ATM machine".

I kid, I kid. Sort of.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 13, 2018 01:04 PM (7LY+6)

382 Apparently, eating Tide detergent pods is a real thing.

https://usat.ly/2mu5wgj

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now On the Gorilla Channel at January 13, 2018 12:00 PM (+y/Ru)

Amazing stuff. Cleans not only your laundry, but also the gene pool.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 13, 2018 01:05 PM (sD2WN)

383 Had a GF that said she refused to date a man that had bigger boobs than her.
Or if they ever had or currently owned a chevy El Camino
Posted by: MAC SOG and nothing will happen at January 13, 2018 01:03 PM (czkHE)

Hey, if you already got your own tits to play with, and an Elkey to boot, who the hell needs a chick!

Posted by: Warai-otoko (who is tit-less and drives a jeep, actually) at January 13, 2018 01:05 PM (T28di)

384
Now that's a great dialogue:

Klink: "You have to watch out for these staff officers. They can be verrrry clever."

Burkhalter: "Klink, I am a staff officer."

Klink (flustered): "Oh, I am so sorry, General Burkhalter. You are not clever."

Burkhalter: "KLINK!"

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 13, 2018 01:06 PM (GGUGW)

385 Posted by: illiniwek at January 13, 2018 12:52 PM (otAqJ)

A whole lot better than me. I aced college algebra but I had to work my ass off to do it. I think it was the most effort I ever put in to a class. After the course was over, I promptly dumped all that I learned and never took another math class.

Posted by: Bill R. at January 13, 2018 01:08 PM (IuYIh)

386 I thought the science was settled on black holes.

-
They eat airliners.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now On the Gorilla Channel at January 13, 2018 01:10 PM (+y/Ru)

387 they say, has five key tenets, including that "numbers are not neutral."

If it's not neutral it's an opinion not a number. And who gives a shit about the opinion of someone that fundamentally wrong!

Posted by: DaveA at January 13, 2018 01:11 PM (FhXTo)

388 363 All right, fellas, ready to feel pretty?

https://tinyurl.com/y89n7zx6

(link goes to NY Post and is safe except for the small photo of the glitter boob marchers at the bottom)

No no no oh HELL no!

Posted by: Insomniac - mostly stable at January 13, 2018 01:13 PM (NWiLs)

389 I wouldn't want to use math. My bar tab would be astronomical, ya' know! If I had to actually pay for all of my drinks, rather than winning them at darts and pool and trivia, then math would take on a whole new meaning! That would definitely not be fair to the people with tiny things.

Posted by: goon at January 13, 2018 01:14 PM (EaQ6/)

390 Breaks one of my dating rules: Never date any man prettier than I am.
Posted by: NaughtyPine at January 13, 2018 12:57 PM (G8B7r)

Or who likes teh dick more than you. Which probably goes right along with the skirt thing.

Posted by: Insomniac - mostly stable at January 13, 2018 01:14 PM (NWiLs)

391 One of the reasons that Roman gladiators wore skirts is so they could relieve themselves while in battle without having to remove trousers.

Posted by: navybrat at January 13, 2018 01:14 PM (w7KSn)

392 quantitative data is often gathered and analyzed in ways that reflect the interests, assumptions, and perceptions of White elites

K, subtracting the white elites jab, this is a legit, but obvious point made by pretty much every scientist ever. Check your assumptions and carefully design your studies so they can be scientific and accurate. If you don't, you get garbage research.

Numbers are social constructs and likely to embody...

Aaaaaand you're off the rails. This part is unadulterated bullshit.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 13, 2018 01:15 PM (zGsgt)

393 391 One of the reasons that Roman gladiators wore skirts is so they could relieve themselves while in battle without having to remove trousers.
Posted by: navybrat at January 13, 2018 01:14 PM (w7KSn)

These guys ain't gladiators, but probably like movies about them.

Posted by: Insomniac - mostly stable at January 13, 2018 01:15 PM (NWiLs)

394 Holy Shit Riverdale is one fucked up show about Archie.....fucked in a good way. Goodness.

Posted by: Monk at January 13, 2018 01:15 PM (g4lFK)

395 Ok, like an idiot i actually clicked the link and started reading the article. Then stopped reading.

The first thing I thought was:

Peano and Frege should rise from their graves and kick your stupid sorry asses.

Of course the NAMES we use for numbers are a social construct, you dolts.

NUMBERS, qua numbers, are about as far from a social construct as you can imagine. If you were going to thing of a perfect, ideal counter-example to a social construct, it would be NUMBERS.

Where's AtC. I need advanced lessons in Grrry hands.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 13, 2018 01:16 PM (T28di)

396 Two completely different bits.

WSJ has been typical MSM nonsense, in non-biz reporting, for a long time. They're not going to run a wacko story about Coke's market share, but on all topics that have a clear Beltway line of distortion established? No different than the NYT.

And their editorial board was the most aggressively stupid on immigration, for a long time. Just ignorant and stupid. Mindlessly cheerleading chaotic, destructive, borderless mass migration. Don't know if they ever evolved to the pure, virulent racist form of this idiocy, which we now see has been embraced by even "Republican" airheads.

And - among the things I'd love to see completely declassified are all the assessments of Russian election "interference" that had so many GOP types in hysterics a year ago. Before any specifics came out, it was a ridiculous "issue", since obviously there's not a chance such shenanigans could have any impact on the election. And the moral outrage was bizarre - then again, how many of these lightweights know the history of French and Italian elections in the 40s/50s? But let's see just how dishonest or stupid these GOP people are, by evaluating the "intelligence" on this trivial topic.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 13, 2018 01:17 PM (QDnY+)

397 I have legitimate question re: shithole comment. All I've heard is he allegedly said why take people from shithole countries. So, if he allegedly said that without specific mention of Haiti or Africa (many countries), aren't the real racists/xenophobia, the ones calling out Haiti and African nations as the shitholes?

Posted by: fish...the lowercase one at January 13, 2018 01:17 PM (7KoI4)

398 If all the climate science is settled guess we are done needing climate scietists

Posted by: Skip at January 13, 2018 01:17 PM (aC6Sd)

399 Math is a gateway drug. You start believing math and next thing you're into biology, counting sexes shit.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now On the Gorilla Channel at January 13, 2018 01:18 PM (+y/Ru)

400 399 Math is a gateway drug. You start believing math and next thing you're into biology, counting sexes shit.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now On the Gorilla Channel at January 13, 2018 01:18 PM (+y/Ru)

Before you know it, you're add-icted.

Posted by: Insomniac - mostly stable at January 13, 2018 01:20 PM (NWiLs)

401 So in other words, it would be roughly the same
thing as, if you had a friend who disappeared, without a trace, and
decided that means the space aliens came down and took him/her to a
distant planet to live in peace and harmony (or strife and turmoil,
depending on your bent).

Posted by: BurtTC at January 13, 2018 12:24 PM (Pz4pT)

No, it's more like how we all assume that Obama is a fag, because of his mannerisms, and his memberships in Man's Country, etc., etc., although none of us has actually seen him playing hide the wiener with Reggie.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 13, 2018 01:20 PM (sD2WN)

402 The next generation space telescope, the James Webb Space Telescope, is supposed to have the capability to actually image extrasolar planets, so it should settle the debate once and for all.

Unfortunately, that project has problems of its own. It's years late, billions of dollars over budget, is insanely complicated, and we don't currently have the capability to repair it if something goes wrong.

Recall that the Hubble telescope was originally launched with defective optics, and would have been almost useless if they didn't send the Space Shuttle up to install corrective lenses.

Posted by: rickl at January 13, 2018 01:21 PM (sdi6R)

403 Numbers will be made to care.

Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at January 13, 2018 01:21 PM (2NqXo)

404 399 Math is a gateway drug. You start believing math and next thing you're into biology, counting sexes shit.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now On the Gorilla Channel at January 13, 2018 01:18 PM (+y/Ru)

That's a Class 1 Felony.

I mean blue! A Class BLUE Felony.

Oh crap, colors are racist too... ummmmm...uh....

A Class A Felony!

Dammit! I forgot about Critical Letter Theory! Shit!

A Class.....

*Voice fades off into distance as I'm dragged off by the Authorities*

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 13, 2018 01:22 PM (T28di)

405 403 Numbers will be made to care.
Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at January 13, 2018 01:21 PM (2NqXo)

All they really do is divide is anyway.

Posted by: Insomniac - mostly stable at January 13, 2018 01:22 PM (NWiLs)

406 Divide *us*, dammit.

Posted by: Insomniac - mostly stable at January 13, 2018 01:22 PM (NWiLs)

407 And all the women are smoke shows!

Posted by: Monk at January 13, 2018 01:23 PM (g4lFK)

408 "Whatever happened to that groovy hippie shit?"
Posted by: Corona at January 13, 2018 12:19 PM (88+VL)

The dirty hippies found being dirty fascists is much funner and empowering.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 13, 2018 01:24 PM (EoRCO)

409 Had a GF that said she refused to date a man that had bigger boobs than her. Or if they ever had or currently owned a chevy El Camino
Posted by: MAC SOG and nothing will happen at January 13, 2018 01:03 PM

The first I understand. The second, no. When you can't afford a new car or a decent used car, you start looking for what you can find. My first car (on loan from parents) was a stick-shift Ford Fairmont, like a box on wheels. An El Camino would have been a huge step up!

Posted by: NaughtyPine at January 13, 2018 01:25 PM (G8B7r)

410 so it should settle the debate once and for all.

"That's not how any of this works."
Settling things once and for is just awful for Science...grants.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 13, 2018 01:26 PM (H5rtT)

411 I've always suspected that "7" was a white supremacist. I mean just look at it trying to act all respectable and shit.

https://hrexach.wordpress.com/2013/04/26/meaning-of-the-flag/

Posted by: DaveA at January 13, 2018 01:27 PM (FhXTo)

412 Math is a gateway drug. You start believing math and next thing you're into biology, counting sexes shit.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now On the Gorilla Channel at January 13, 2018 01:18 PM (+y/Ru)

Before you know it, you're add-icted.
Posted by: Insomniac - mostly stable at January 13, 2018 01:20 PM

I love that so many 'Rons and 'Ronettes are punsters.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at January 13, 2018 01:27 PM (G8B7r)

413 Now on the other hand, math is absolute. It is, by its very definition, a discipline that is deductive: it gives you the only true answer by removing all false ones. This is what annoys the left most about math, that it has no gray areas or uncertainty. 2+2=4 no matter what the narrative is or how you feel about it. Every time. Without exception.

The left hates absolutes. Its why nobody f'in loves math, its too precise and certain.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 13, 2018 01:27 PM (39g3+)

414 Many, many years ago, I worked for a company in Lenexa KS. At the time, and it is probably still true today, Johnson County Schools was considered excellent. Across the state line, in Missouri, the Kansas City schools were considered "a shithole."

Taxes were higher in Johnson County and the schools were better. What smart folks did in Missouri was this: The put their kids in private schools (parochial, etc.)

My advice to anyone with school-age children is this. Live where the taxes are low and put your children in a private (accountable) school.

Posted by: JAS at January 13, 2018 01:30 PM (7JbXq)

415 The left hates absolutes.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 13, 2018 01:27 PM (39g3+)

They love absolutes in the imperative mood well enough.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 13, 2018 01:30 PM (T28di)

416 Had a GF that said she refused to date a man that had bigger boobs than her. Or if they ever had or currently owned a chevy El Camino

El Caminos are awesome but I do understand: a lot of El Camino owners are regretful.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 13, 2018 01:30 PM (39g3+)

417 So in other words, it would be roughly the same
thing as, if you had a friend who disappeared, without a trace, and
decided that means the space aliens came down and took him/her to a
distant planet to live in peace and harmony (or strife and turmoil,
depending on your bent).

Posted by: BurtTC at January 13, 2018 12:24 PM (Pz4pT)

No, it's more like how we all assume that Obama is a fag, because of his mannerisms, and his memberships in Man's Country, etc., etc., although none of us has actually seen him playing hide the wiener with Reggie.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 13, 2018 01:20 PM (sD2WN)

I would actually agree with your characterization. Because no, we have no actual evidence that Obama is gay, nor does any of the so-called evidence add up to a credible theory that he's gay. It's driven precisely by partisan politics. A view many of us happen to share, that this tool is worthy of ridicule and needs to be shown to be the phony he is, but really, saying there's any sort of conclusive evidence that he's gay is not based on anything like science.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 13, 2018 01:31 PM (Pz4pT)

418 Worse. Irish.

(And I'm both, and more!)
Posted by: bluebell at January 13, 2018 01:02 PM (kNasr)
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Me too! Especially the worser part.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at January 13, 2018 01:31 PM (qJtVm)

419 Recall that the Hubble telescope was originally
launched with defective optics, and would have been almost useless if
they didn't send the Space Shuttle up to install corrective lenses. Posted by: rickl at January 13, 2018 01:21 PM (sdi6R)
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I had forgotten that. Thanks.

Posted by: mustbequantum at January 13, 2018 01:31 PM (MIKMs)

420 The trouble with an El Camino is that it was way too easy to overload it.

Posted by: JAS at January 13, 2018 01:32 PM (7JbXq)

421 They love absolutes in the imperative mood well enough. /i]

Oh sure, they love saying "you must" but the "must" changes every few years to something else.

You must not talk about homosexual marriage, that is heteronormative oppression!

No wait, its evil to deny homosexuals marriage!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 13, 2018 01:32 PM (39g3+)

422 I am finding it very difficult to read the math thread and watch Star Trek: The Next Generation at the same time. Dr. Crusher has changed her hair and her son is dumber than usual. When the garden thread gets here, I'll stop this shit.

Posted by: goon at January 13, 2018 01:33 PM (EaQ6/)

423 but really, saying there's any sort of conclusive evidence that he's gay is not based on anything like science.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 13, 2018 01:31 PM (Pz4pT)

I ain't touching that grant proposal with a twenty foot pole duct-taped to a ten-foot pole.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 13, 2018 01:33 PM (T28di)

424 Recall that the Hubble telescope was originally
launched with defective optics, and would have been almost useless if they didn't send the Space Shuttle up to install corrective lenses. Posted by: rickl at January 13, 2018 01:21 PM (sdi6R)

Sending up the corrective lenses was the easy part. The hard part was sending up the eye chart.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 13, 2018 01:33 PM (8fZ54)

425 (hey goon! the garden thread is up)

Posted by: JAS at January 13, 2018 01:34 PM (7JbXq)

426 Good ol' Dr Crusher, too dumb to recognize the common cold. She was like the anti-Bones. Almost the entire crew was like that, though. The only really competent member of the crew was Georgi. And the toaster.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 13, 2018 01:35 PM (39g3+)

427 Math is just as susceptible to being fucked over as the study of literature or philosophy is. There are as many paths to ignorance as there are to knowledge. At the core of each are some careful practitioners who can see the flaw and know what should have been done. The rest is debased lower priesthood, into whose hands the rough transmission of dogma is entrusted.

We're about to get a lesson, good and hard, on whether you love "Truth" or you love "Math." Because when math is made the servant of Darkness, you may have to call for its study to be banned, just as you have the humanities.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 13, 2018 01:37 PM (H5rtT)

428 Recall that the Hubble telescope was originally
launched with defective optics, and would have been almost useless if they didn't send the Space Shuttle up to install corrective lenses. Posted by: rickl at January 13, 2018 01:21 PM (sdi6R)

Sending up the corrective lenses was the easy part. The hard part was sending up the eye chart.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 13, 2018 01:33 PM (8fZ54)

See, what I'm wondering is... did we? Did we really fix the damned thing, or did we just change our perspective, so blurry now seems like it's clear.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 13, 2018 01:37 PM (Pz4pT)

429 Blame it on the bossa nova! Or, my bartender friend! But, thanks. It is good to know that I don't have to keep this tread alive an longer!

Posted by: goon at January 13, 2018 01:37 PM (EaQ6/)

430 TNG was quite possible one of the worst shows ever made.

There. I said it.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 13, 2018 01:38 PM (T28di)

431 See, what I'm wondering is... did we? Did we really fix the damned thing, or did we just change our perspective, so blurry now seems like it's clear.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 13, 2018 01:37 PM (Pz4pT)

What if all the far away stars really ARE blurry!!?!?!

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 13, 2018 01:39 PM (T28di)

432 > we have no actual evidence that Obama is gay

Well, in one of his books he admits to wondering what it'd be like to lay hog in one of his male professors.

That's gay.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 13, 2018 01:39 PM (zGsgt)

433 Star Trek Next Generation is the worst show to have that level of popularity, I agree. There have been worse shows, but none so bad that were so popular and long lasting. It evidently got less horrible after the first few seasons but still. Not good.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 13, 2018 01:40 PM (39g3+)

434 "Lord loves a working man."

"Don't trust Whitey."

"See a doctor and get rid of it."

Posted by: Day that ends in Y at January 13, 2018 01:40 PM (5ng19)

435 Math is an evil white-man social construct to keep the beautiful brown peoples of the world subjugated.

English is also terribly, terribly evil. It is also a white-man social construct to keep the beautiful brown peoples of the world subjugated.

Why don't I stop using English?

I am too stupid to learn another language.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at January 13, 2018 01:40 PM (7JbXq)

436 TNG was never as bad as the Kate Mulgrew shithole.

Posted by: JAS at January 13, 2018 01:41 PM (7JbXq)

437 After eight years of Trump, then what?

Eight years of Pence. So #NeverTrump can gradually pull their heads out of their asses. See, I am a compassionate conservative.

Posted by: DaveA at January 13, 2018 01:41 PM (FhXTo)

438 > TNG was never as bad as the Kate Mulgrew shithole.

Exactly right.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 13, 2018 01:43 PM (zGsgt)

439 432 > we have no actual evidence that Obama is gay

https://youtu.be/ri8BOynRGnc

The science is settled.

Posted by: jsg at January 13, 2018 01:43 PM (ioQ79)

440 419 Recall that the Hubble telescope was originally
launched with defective optics, and would have been almost useless if
they didn't send the Space Shuttle up to install corrective lenses. Posted by: rickl at January 13, 2018 01:21 PM (sdi6R)
=====

I had forgotten that. Thanks.
Posted by: mustbequantum at January 13, 2018 01:31 PM (MIKMs)

There is actually a conspiracy theory about that.

The Perkin-Elmer company built the optical system for the Hubble telescope. The same company had built the optical systems for our most advanced spy satellites for years before that.

Yet somehow they screwed up the Hubble optics.

The theory is that if Hubble had been launched with perfect optics, our adversaries would have been able to deduce the true capabilities of our spy satellites.

So the Hubble optics were deliberately defective, knowing that we could send the Shuttle up to "fix" them.

Like I said, it's a conspiracy theory. But an intriguing one.

Posted by: rickl at January 13, 2018 01:43 PM (sdi6R)

441 "Chain of Command." IDK how much faith I want to put into a documentary series about the military, done by NatGeo, who turned the world's greatest boobie-library into a schlocky global warming poster. Nah.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 13, 2018 01:47 PM (H5rtT)

442 Hmmm false alarm ballistic missile alert in Hawaii

Posted by: jsg at January 13, 2018 01:48 PM (ioQ79)

443 The first I understand. The second, no. When you
can't afford a new car or a decent used car, you start looking for what
you can find. My first car (on loan from parents) was a stick-shift Ford
Fairmont, like a box on wheels. An El Camino would have been a huge
step up!

Posted by: NaughtyPine at January 13, 2018 01:25 PM (G8B7r)

El Caminos, and their Ford counterparts, the Rancheros, are cool-looking cars, but functionally quite useless. You have room for two people, maybe three with a bench seat, and practically no secure storage for belongings. They pose as a pickup, but have nowhere near the load-carrying capacity of even the smallest Toyota pickup. Many of them wind up with toppers on them, which turns them into an ersatz station wagon.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 13, 2018 01:49 PM (sD2WN)

444 I swear, if somehow laundry detergent gets effed up and rendered useless because of brainless social media zombie dipshit "millenials" eating "Tide Pods", I'm gonna be forced to go straight up buck-wild Mencken on shit.

Fair warning.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 13, 2018 01:52 PM (T28di)

445 we have no actual evidence that Obama is gay
-----------------------------
Well, in one of his books he admits to wondering what it'd be like to lay hog in one of his male professors.

That's gay.
Posted by: bonhomme at January 13, 2018 01:39 PM (zGsgt)

Is it?

I don't know, haven't read any of the nonsense he's allegedly written, but now we're getting into semantics, I think.

So to simplify that, let's change my point to one where I'm saying we don't yet have any evidence he's ever had sex with other men. Or does so on any sort of regular basis, because there are plenty of men (and wimminz) who've had encounters, but don't consider themselves to be gay.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 13, 2018 01:54 PM (Pz4pT)

446 Posted by: BurtTC at January 13, 2018 01:54 PM (Pz4pT)

Don't overthink it.

BHO's a homo.
Reid's a pedophile
DiFi had sex with a rhinoceros (prove me wrong!)

Screw it. Their rules, man.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 13, 2018 01:59 PM (T28di)

447 we have no actual evidence that Obama is gay
---------------------------------------
https://youtu.be/ri8BOynRGnc

The science is settled.
Posted by: jsg at January 13, 2018 01:43 PM (ioQ79)

See, that's not nice. I don't think we can say ALL White Sox fans are gay. Just most White Sox fans.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 13, 2018 01:59 PM (Pz4pT)

448 https://tinyurl.com/ybgrjxq4

Posted by: jsg at January 13, 2018 02:00 PM (ioQ79)

449 Billy Jeff had an El Camino.

He used it for knocking boots.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 13, 2018 02:00 PM (EoRCO)

450 He used it for knocking boots.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 13, 2018 02:00 PM (EoRCO)

Apparently in Arkansas dialect, "knocking boots" means "raping someone in an El Camino".

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 13, 2018 02:02 PM (T28di)

451 My brother had an El Camino with a camper shell. The kids would sleep there on the long drive from San Diego to the SF Bay area. He was the one who warned my son about overloading it.

Posted by: JAS at January 13, 2018 02:03 PM (7JbXq)

452
Hmmm false alarm ballistic missile alert in Hawaii
Posted by: jsg at January 13, 2018 01:48 PM

The judge has nothing to worry about.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 13, 2018 02:04 PM (IqV8l)

453 See, that's not nice. I don't think we can say ALL White Sox fans are gay. Just most White Sox fans.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 13, 2018 01:59 PM (Pz4pT)

Heh

Posted by: jsg at January 13, 2018 02:06 PM (ioQ79)

454 Goldfinger was on recently. OddJob crushes an entire giant 60s Lincoln Continental and sets all 2+ tons of it in the back of a Ranchero. It would've literally sploded.

Posted by: DaveA at January 13, 2018 02:07 PM (FhXTo)

455 The late 1960's to mid 1970's Rancheros were fairly substantial, a true half-ton. They were overloaded at 1200 pounds, or three Norton Commandos. The biggest drawback was the deep-section rear bumper which would catch drag and deform on pavement curb-cuts when loaded down.

I would put their cargo capability one notch up from the mini-pickups of the time. There are some social factors we ignore now: a regular pick-up truck was still a little dicey as a go-to-church, date-night car back then, security of the load was only an issue in select markets, and 2 or 3 seats was something you just lived with in a truck.

I have a lithe, lovely mild custom 66 El Camino that my hot-rodder uncle left me. It has the formal tonneau cover with bows and snaps, which in 66 you had to custom order at a boat shop. I'm convinced that the standing joke comes from two sources, one, Bill Clinton, and the other, Cam"e"ro syndrome, guys thinking the car is really cool but not being able, ever, to afford a decent one, and so drive around in a rust bucket with hot decals.

Also, anything over 225 HP is wasted because you'll never keep it stuck down.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 13, 2018 02:07 PM (H5rtT)

456 Goldfinger was on recently. OddJob crushes an entire
giant 60s Lincoln Continental and sets all 2+ tons of it in the back of
a Ranchero. It would've literally sploded.

Posted by: DaveA at January 13, 2018 02:07 PM (FhXTo)

Yeah, considering a '60's Continental would have run closer to three tons, not, two. The rear tires would have both burst, for one.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 13, 2018 02:09 PM (sD2WN)

457 Worth 7.21 minutes of your time.
YouTube Modern Educayshun

Neel Kolhatkar gives us hope

Posted by: deguello at January 13, 2018 02:09 PM (bxu2Y)

458 YouTube Modern Educayshun

Hey, if you ever need to tune an accordion or a bagpipe ... it's on youtube.

Posted by: Andrew Chin at January 13, 2018 02:10 PM (GroCc)

459 457 Worth 7.21 minutes of your time.
YouTube Modern Educayshun

Neel Kolhatkar gives us hope
Posted by: deguello at January 13, 2018 02:09 PM (bxu2Y)

That's a great video.

Penelope is a 1, despite being a SJW.

Posted by: rickl at January 13, 2018 02:11 PM (sdi6R)

460 If only those stupid neutron stars gave off some light, then if we observed a star moving as if it were in a binary star system in which the other star were not visible, we'd have definitive proof of a black hole. As it is, it might just be a neutron star.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at January 13, 2018 02:11 PM (/qEW2)

461 Yeah the Ranchero and El Camino were not so much about hauling than having a convenient place to put beach stuff in the back while driving really fast. Lot of power for a light car.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 13, 2018 02:12 PM (39g3+)

462 I don't have a hate on for Utes (which is what El Caminos and Rancheros are), but as an "only" car, they are kind of impractical, for most people.

Business coupe FTW.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 13, 2018 02:13 PM (sD2WN)

463 I swear, if somehow laundry detergent gets effed up and rendered useless because of brainless social media zombie dipshit "millenials" eating "Tide Pods", I'm gonna be forced to go straight up buck-wild Mencken on shit.

Fair warning.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 13, 2018 01:52 PM (T28di)

If they put Bitrex or something in it to ruin the cool, smooth, refreshing taste of Tide™ brand detergent pods, I'll be right there with you.

Posted by: hogmartin at January 13, 2018 02:13 PM (y87Qq)

464 Enjoy your intermittent energy sources....

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/285858/

Posted by: steevy at January 13, 2018 02:14 PM (LiyEm)

465 Business coupe FTW.
=====

Is it 4-door or 2? I ask because it is easier to get grandma and groceries and kids in carseats in/out of 4-door. But is it a coupe with 4 doors.

Posted by: mustbequantum at January 13, 2018 02:15 PM (MIKMs)

466 Well,this was a bit of a fuckup...

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/285861/

Posted by: steevy at January 13, 2018 02:16 PM (LiyEm)

467 I don't have a hate on for Utes (which is what El Caminos and Rancheros are), but as an "only" car, they are kind of impractical, for most people.

Business coupe FTW.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 13, 2018 02:13 PM (sD2WN)

I like some of those late 30's/ very early 40's business coupes. Some of them make some bad ass looking street rods.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at January 13, 2018 02:17 PM (aMlLZ)

468 I swear, if somehow laundry detergent gets effed up and rendered
useless because of brainless social media zombie dipshit "millenials"
eating "Tide Pods", I'm gonna be forced to go straight up buck-wild
Mencken on shit.

=====

Dye it brown. That way kids are trained brown energy baaaad, green energy gooood. If it is green, fine; if it is brown, baaaaad.

Posted by: mustbequantum at January 13, 2018 02:17 PM (MIKMs)

469 "THIS IS NOT A DRILL."
Through repetition, the most frightening words in American history.

Anna Puma et al, is there any evidence other than luscious hearsay that the original message was "Air raid on Pearl Harbor. This is no shit." Because I have heard that, from guys who were There That Day.

7 Dec 1941 Hawaii was a territory, so there was no Tulsi Gabbard to make it go away. We just got a picture of what a real nuclear alert would look like:
200 million tweets saying ORLY?

Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 13, 2018 02:17 PM (H5rtT)

470 we have no actual evidence that Obama is gay

http://bit.ly/2mzGDA6

I rest my case,.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 13, 2018 02:18 PM (WbIyz)

471 but really, saying there's any sort of conclusive evidence that [Obama]'s gay is not based on anything like science.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 13, 2018 01:31 PM (Pz4pT)

========

Didn't he admit that in college that he considered being gay but that he "chose" to be heterosexual because it would be a greater challenge? And it showed him on a sofa smoking dope and snuggling with some Pakistani buddy of his.

There are other things, like the Advocate cover, Reggie, anti-DOMA stance, etc. but the above seems to be a flat out admission, no?

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at January 13, 2018 02:18 PM (/qEW2)

472
Business coupe FTW.
=====

Is it 4-door or 2? I ask because it is easier to get grandma and groceries and kids in carseats in/out of 4-door. But is it a coupe with 4 doors.

Posted by: mustbequantum at January 13, 2018 02:15 PM (MIKMs)

http://www.collectorcarads.com/Chevrolet-Business-Coupe/56742

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at January 13, 2018 02:18 PM (aMlLZ)

473 But is it a coupe with 4 doors.

Posted by: mustbequantum at January 13, 2018 02:15 PM (MIKMs)
I'm no gearhead but isn't the defining factor of coupe vs. sedan entirely based on the number of doors?

Posted by: Peaches at January 13, 2018 02:19 PM (14URa)

474 http://bit.ly/2CZGYly

James Comey Meme

Posted by: MISH McConnell at January 13, 2018 02:20 PM (y3aQB)

475 So all I have to do to get tenure as a professor is to be deranged, is that correct?

Posted by: Northernlurker-ish at January 13, 2018 02:20 PM (eAMlh)

476 @470 Hah! Yes, that's what I was thinking of.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at January 13, 2018 02:21 PM (/qEW2)

477 we have no actual evidence that Obama is gay

http://bit.ly/2mzGDA6

I rest my case,.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 13, 2018 02:18 PM (WbIyz)

Yup, total dick smoker.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at January 13, 2018 02:23 PM (aMlLZ)

478 Two things I found the Ranchero good for: taking the race bike to the track, once I was in a class that did not allow riding it 150 miles out, 150 back; and, just in case the input you got was wrong and you didn't have the right backhoe buckets on the rig. Within those limits, it was just fine.

351 Windsor, 12 MPG and flat out at 112. Not too impressive. Last year before catalytic converters, but, round cam. With the change to radials, handling got "real interesting." I learned a lot.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 13, 2018 02:25 PM (H5rtT)

479 He found as mannish a woman as he possibly could to marry....

Posted by: steevy at January 13, 2018 02:25 PM (LiyEm)

480 I'm no gearhead but isn't the defining factor of coupe vs. sedan entirely based on the number of doors? Posted by: Peaches at January 13, 2018 02:19 PM (14URa)
=====

That's what I thought. However, language and descriptions have changed faster than my rather slow impressions/thoughts.

Posted by: mustbequantum at January 13, 2018 02:25 PM (MIKMs)

481 479 He found as mannish a woman as he possibly could to marry....
Posted by: steevy at January 13, 2018 02:25 PM (LiyEm)

So did she.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 13, 2018 02:27 PM (T28di)

482 Re: the epic Hawaii fuckup. This was posted in the comments on the Yahoo story. I can't even imagine. He says 20 minutes. I am seeing 38 minutes until they sent out their "oops." Absolutely inexcusable.

I have never been more mad and glad at the same time. More glad it was a
false alarm. Still rattled though. As soon as I saw the message chills
were sent down my body and my mind was racing. Got my three young kids
and nephew and we went straight to the garage in a small nook away from
windows. Got the kids in and just looked them in silence and said I love
you. Wife called and text freaking out. Told her to be safe and stay
calm and I love her. Told her I'll find her....after all this. She was
working in Honolulu. Saw planes and helicopters escaping the island left
and right. Can imagine the chaos on the highways and public areas.
After about 20 nerve racking minutes it was announced a false alarm.
Thankful that it was. But man, someone needs to answer for this.....not
cool.

Posted by: Peaches at January 13, 2018 02:28 PM (14URa)

483 Bring up "pillared coupe" or "hardtop coupe" in any garage. Bring beer.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 13, 2018 02:29 PM (H5rtT)

484
I hope that Hawaiian Judge for a couple minutes shat his pants when he got the phone alert. Thought about his role in undermining the President of the United States and emboldening the crazed leader of North Korea. Then shat some more wondering where his wife and kids were. Where he could go to be safe.

I hope he learned a lesson in stfu and stfd.

Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at January 13, 2018 02:29 PM (2FqvZ)

485 Whew. It smells like choom and ass in here.

Posted by: Fritz at January 13, 2018 02:30 PM (bJ0w+)

486 Is it 4-door or 2? I ask because it is easier to get
grandma and groceries and kids in carseats in/out of 4-door. But is it a
coupe with 4 doors.

Posted by: mustbequantum at January 13, 2018 02:15 PM (MIKMs)

AFAIK, for a car to be a coupe of any kind, it has to have only two doors. In the early days of the automobile, closed cars (sedans) were much more expensive than open cars (roadsters). As more and more cars users opted for closed cars (weather, doncha know), car makers became more adept at building closed cars inexpensively. Two-door sedans appeared, saving some costs on door hardware and body structure. And then the coupe, saving some roof, too.
Some coupes had a back seat, and some didn't. The business coupe had a shelf right behind the front seat, and a fabric drop from that shelf to the floor. And behind that fabric drop was a voluminous space that ran all the way to the trunk lid. You could sleep stretched-out in there. They were usually the cheapest model of a manufacturer's line, and much beloved of traveling salesmen, for hauling samples. Station wagons, at that time, were expensive cars.
Here is a 1950 Ford business coupe, and it is typical of the style:
https://preview.tinyurl.com/ycmzb4me

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 13, 2018 02:31 PM (sD2WN)

487 484 Nah,He'll blame Trump and crack down even harder...

Posted by: steevy at January 13, 2018 02:32 PM (LiyEm)

488 I'm no gearhead but isn't the defining factor of coupe vs. sedan entirely based on the number of doors? Posted by: Peaches at January 13, 2018 02:19 PM (14URa)
=====

That's what I thought. However, language and descriptions have changed faster than my rather slow impressions/thoughts.

Posted by: mustbequantum at January 13, 2018 02:25 PM (MIKMs)

It can be confusing. My '69 roadrunner is considered a hardtop, because it has no post between the front and back side windows, so when all the windows are rolled down there is no obstruction, like a convertible when the windows are rolled down. The coupe version of my car has the pop out, or push out rear windows, but has the post. Both have hard tops, and aren't convertible, both are 2 door with the same frigging seats, yet one is called hard top and the other is a coupe.

When I first had these cars out of high school I didn't even think about it, or even realize it.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at January 13, 2018 02:34 PM (aMlLZ)

489 I'm going to climb back on my hobby horse.
It's time for dangerous scum like those three idiot Brit professors to move to their own country, where they can build their own bridges, planes, trains and automobiles and use them until they've killed themselves off.

Posted by: Northernlurker-ish at January 13, 2018 02:34 PM (eAMlh)

490 I like some of those late 30's/ very early 40's business coupes. Some of them make some bad ass looking street rods.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at January 13, 2018 02:17 PM (aMlLZ)

I have a '40 Studebaker business coupe that I need to get on the road. I want to dress up the original flathead six (which runs fine) with dual carbs, aluminum head, and twice pipes.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 13, 2018 02:35 PM (sD2WN)

491 Bring up "pillared coupe" or "hardtop coupe" in any garage. Bring beer.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 13, 2018 02:29 PM (H5rtT)

Yup, exactly.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at January 13, 2018 02:35 PM (aMlLZ)

492 I had a morning wrecked while on Maui from a false tital wave scare, time is expensive there.

Posted by: Skip at January 13, 2018 02:35 PM (aC6Sd)

493 Sounds like we're starting to veer close to the Popper/Wittgenstein debate.

I'll hide the pokers.

========

I just wanted to squeeze some of Wittgenstein's zits, but he wouldn't let me! I was like, hon, no need to threaten visiting beauticians with pokers.

Posted by: Karl "pimple" Popper at January 13, 2018 02:35 PM (/qEW2)

494 Stick shift was not a prestige item in the 30's. Companies went to a lot of trouble to develop the column shift "on the tree." Because, knees. A Proper business coupe had a completely undifferentiated front bench, no attempt at "buckets," because you parked at the curb and slid across to exit via the curb-side door. Things were different then.

A few lucky owners had the option of a pickup-truck style cargo box that slid into the large rear cargo area, and would work with the trunk lid up or removed.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 13, 2018 02:37 PM (H5rtT)

495 I have a '40 Studebaker business coupe that I need to get on the road. I want to dress up the original flathead six (which runs fine) with dual carbs, aluminum head, and twice pipes.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 13, 2018 02:35 PM (sD2WN)

Those are very cool. I would have to stick a hemi in it. lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at January 13, 2018 02:39 PM (aMlLZ)

496 482 Re: the epic Hawaii fuckup. This was posted in the comments on the Yahoo story. I can't even imagine. He says 20 minutes. I am seeing 38 minutes until they sent out their "oops." Absolutely inexcusable.

I have never been more mad and glad at the same time. More glad it was a
false alarm. Still rattled though. As soon as I saw the message chills
were sent down my body and my mind was racing. Got my three young kids
and nephew and we went straight to the garage in a small nook away from
windows. Got the kids in and just looked them in silence and said I love
you. Wife called and text freaking out. Told her to be safe and stay
calm and I love her. Told her I'll find her....after all this. She was
working in Honolulu. Saw planes and helicopters escaping the island left
and right. Can imagine the chaos on the highways and public areas.
After about 20 nerve racking minutes it was announced a false alarm.
Thankful that it was. But man, someone needs to answer for this.....not
cool.
Posted by: Peaches at January 13, 2018 02:28 PM (14URa)

No shit not cool dickholes. Y'all live on the ring of fire on Islands that are active volcanos. Then y'all have the nerve to act like totalitarian assholes by sticking the Mainland with those coming from shitholes and hellholes. Plus, y'all forged K___ Gloryhole into POTUS causing the stuff now that you whine about being not cool.

Posted by: Monk at January 13, 2018 02:40 PM (g4lFK)

497 111 ... Hadrian, Many congrats on the great show day. Do the pups get a special treat or are they content with pride of place?

Posted by: JTB at January 13, 2018 02:40 PM (V+03K)

498 All Hawaiian Commies get helicopters rides over volcanos to see if commies can fly. The sample size will have to be yuge for science.

Posted by: Monk at January 13, 2018 02:42 PM (g4lFK)

499 Those are very cool. I would have to stick a hemi in it. lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at January 13, 2018 02:39 PM (aMlLZ)

Hah. The weight of the Hemi would collapse the frame, I'm afraid. You would have to scratch-build an entire chassis, or maybe adapt a Dodge Dakota frame.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 13, 2018 02:42 PM (sD2WN)

500 492
I had a morning wrecked while on Maui from a false tital wave scare, time is expensive there.

Posted by: Skip at January 13, 2018 02:35 PM (aC6Sd)
I remember hanging out here with navycopjoe during a tidal wave alert after the Chilean earthquake a few years back. Never did come to fruition but a tidal wave is a little harder to predict than a fucking ICBM. Heads need to roll at the office of Hawaii emergency management. I'm wondering how many people had heart attacks or nervous breakdowns. Despicable.

Posted by: Peaches at January 13, 2018 02:43 PM (14URa)

501 when will the left start blaming Trump for the Hawaii scare because he wanted to distract from the sh-thole comment that most people probably don't care about anymore?

Posted by: mallfly the Georgia Peach at January 13, 2018 02:44 PM (ILitO)

502 Hah. Try to find a bench seat these days.

Posted by: mustbequantum at January 13, 2018 02:44 PM (MIKMs)

503 They're blaming Trump for this of course. All his fault because of tweets
Not Carter, not Clinton, not Obama - Dems are blameless.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&&V my laptop died at January 13, 2018 02:45 PM (Gb29z)

504 Puzzled by the Dems strategery - if any - in their DACA shenanigans.

Could be just an extension of the years' long exploitation of the "issue" - which only motivates the worst of their "base" and of course provides fodder for the idiotic race-baiting "press" to continue their ceaseless war on common sense. Recall that no accountable action was taken whenever the Dems had the ability to just do it. Only the absurdly illegal EOs.

Trump's twitter today makes the obvious observation that the Dems don't want to actually do anything. But the clock's ticking.

Might be that the only think left if their pathetic quiver is DACA. It's a narrow-cast "issue," loser generally, and far from an issue that will help in a mid-term. But what else have they got? Economy, taxes ..... um, no. O-care? Um, no ("dead" issue, as the brain-dead electorate already has forgotten the GOP's jaw-dropping betrayal, the majority bumps along and accepts the continued distortion of the sector with premium inflation similar to the last 20 years, the large minority devastated in the individual market still is invisible to 100% of the political class, and the trivial class of "beneficiaries" is happy to be subsidized).

Russia nonsense is almost certain to be blowing up like a sabotaged ammo dump by the summer. Of course without an actual press, it can't be ruled out that even the spectacular, historic scandals involved will remain vaguely familiar to the electorate. Many blithely assume this is "too big to hide". Nonsense. There is no press, the GOP is just as useless as ever. What was unthinkable even 10 years ago is now par for the course, including a near black-out on the biggest political stories in US history.

So, Dems must be counting just on media distortion and narrow-cast racist agitation (DACA), but that doesn't flip contested districts, doesn't protect freak/mendacious senators from Trump states.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 13, 2018 02:45 PM (QDnY+)

505 What'll the Hawaiian judge think up next?

Posted by: DaveA at January 13, 2018 02:46 PM (FhXTo)

506 Bradley Manning has filed paperwork to run for 74 year-old Ben Cardin's senate seat.

Decisions, decisions...

https://tinyurl.com/ybynxc3l

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at January 13, 2018 02:47 PM (398bZ)

507 Peaches, imagine this happening in LA during rush hour.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&&V my laptop died at January 13, 2018 02:47 PM (Gb29z)

508 re 503: actually, Tulsi Gabbard, Hawaii's congress critter, said this can be blamed on the past couple of admins for not doing whatever needed to be done. She also said this is why Trump needs to have face to face talks with Lil Kim, like that would end well.

Posted by: mallfly the Georgia Peach at January 13, 2018 02:47 PM (ILitO)

509 It's the apocalypse! First a missle attack on Hawaii and now this:

justin jouvenal@jjouvenal
BREAKING: Chelsea Manning has filed to run for U.S. Senate in Maryland.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now On the Gorilla Channel at January 13, 2018 02:49 PM (+y/Ru)

510 You don't see Yuuge V8's in Studebaker coupes because their flathead six, usually called a "Cathcart" from the name of the supplier of the vintage speed-shoppe parts, is probably the best-sounding Old School hot-rod motor out there. Them babies really rap.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 13, 2018 02:49 PM (H5rtT)

511 Hah. The weight of the Hemi would collapse the frame, I'm afraid. You would have to scratch-build an entire chassis, or maybe adapt a Dodge Dakota frame.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 13, 2018 02:42 PM (sD2WN)

Well I didn't say it would be easy. lol

On the other hand, probably not too hard with all the stuff they make these days.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at January 13, 2018 02:50 PM (aMlLZ)

512 Haven't been briefed on the latest assessment, obviously, but based on public info I had the impression the Norks weren't anywhere close to having a credible capability to deliver anything to HI.

You can hide nuke development (to some extent), you can't "hide" ballistic missile capability. It requires iterative testing and refinement, all of which is readily visible to us (of course we developed this to a high art against the Soviets, for good reasons). Just the relatively small number of tests at any extended range, alone, sez to me the Norks are at a primitive level.

Making something go up and come down, somewhere, at some range, isn't hard. Making it go up and come down with any practical accuracy, at range, with any kind of decent overall system reliability - exceptionally difficult. Requires lots of testing and work.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 13, 2018 02:51 PM (QDnY+)

513 re 506: please! I thought he wanted to be called Chelsea Jenner.

Posted by: mallfly the Georgia Peach at January 13, 2018 02:52 PM (ILitO)

514 What I know about cars could fit on the top of my pinhead, but does anybody else remember 'Body by Fisher' on even the most modest Chevys? We had an old Chevy II and that is what I remember.

Posted by: mustbequantum at January 13, 2018 02:52 PM (MIKMs)

515 Trump needs to have face to face talks with Lil Kim, like that would end well.
Posted by: mallfly the Georgia Peach at January 13, 2018 02:47 PM (ILitO)

Face to waist, really.

Unless Lil' Stank decides to bring his own stepstool.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 13, 2018 02:53 PM (T28di)

516 actually, Tulsi Gabbard, Hawaii's congress critter,
said this can be blamed on the past couple of admins for not doing
whatever needed to be done. She also said this is why Trump needs to
have face to face talks with Lil Kim, like that would end well.

Posted by: mallfly the Georgia Peach at January 13, 2018 02:47 PM (ILitO)
Tulsi Gabbard can bite my ass. The blame falls squarely on the low quality of government employees, who are generally overpaid and underqualified and cannot be fired under any circumstances.

Posted by: Peaches at January 13, 2018 02:53 PM (14URa)

517 *Making something go up and come down, somewhere, at some range, isn't hard. Making it go up and come down with any practical accuracy, at range, with any kind of decent overall system reliability - exceptionally difficult. Requires lots of testing and work.
Posted by: rhomboid at January 13, 2018 02:51 PM (QDnY+)*

Or stealing a copy of our work.

cough, *China*, cough

Just saying.

Posted by: tbodie at January 13, 2018 02:54 PM (YTvcG)

518 by the way, as per Fox news, apparently the missile alert was a test that shouldn't have been made public, or something like that. So we can all relax

Posted by: mallfly the Georgia Peach at January 13, 2018 02:55 PM (ILitO)

519 Except for being a man, and white, Manning is a perfectly suitable candidate for the degraded racist Baltimore, and idiotic NPR-level suburban, DC Dems.

But waaaay too much of a machine still extant in MD Dem politics for an outsider to have a chance. Well, several machines. Van Hollen was lucky to beat the Balto/black machine. Manning wouldn't stand a chance against any faction running MD Dem politix.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 13, 2018 02:55 PM (QDnY+)

520 Hawaii illegally gave us Prezzy 4 Putt and his Jihadi/Marxist reign of terror.

this is unforgivable. Actions have consequences.

Posted by: Monk at January 13, 2018 02:55 PM (g4lFK)

521
"Japan has,
therefore, undertaken a surprise offensive extending throughout the Pacific
area. The facts of yesterday and today speak for themselves. The people of
the United States have already formed their opinions and well understand
the implications to the very life and safety of our Nation.

As Commander
in Chief of the Army and Navy I have directed that we surrender at once to the Emperor of Japan, as directed by Tribal Warror Tulsi Gabbard."Tulsi Gabbard, Samoan Buddhist US Army Combat Veteran.Will one of you constituent groups please reach out an slap a bitch.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 13, 2018 02:55 PM (H5rtT)

522 Trump needs to have face to face talks with Lil Kim, like that would end well.

-
"Listen, Rocket Man, if you like that shithole country of yours you'll STFU and STFD because I have a bigger button on my desk than your whole shithole army."

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now On the Gorilla Channel at January 13, 2018 02:56 PM (+y/Ru)

523 A trap is running for the Senate. Well we already had one as the first beard so nothing new in this freak show.

Posted by: Monk at January 13, 2018 02:57 PM (g4lFK)

524 Lunch is served. Nood.

Posted by: Barack H Obama at January 13, 2018 02:57 PM (/qEW2)

525 Killer Pets are Nood.

Posted by: tbodie at January 13, 2018 02:58 PM (YTvcG)

526 I emailed RocketScientist928 in Hawaii and asked if he was in his bunker. He replied that he was into his bourbon.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 13, 2018 02:58 PM (WbIyz)

527 Bradley Manning has filed paperwork to run for 74 year-old Ben Cardin's senate seat.

Too bad the donk primary voters won't have a sane choice.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 13, 2018 02:58 PM (y7DUB)

528 and now Fox is reporting that this was a state exercise, not a federal exercise.

Posted by: mallfly the Georgia Peach at January 13, 2018 02:58 PM (ILitO)

529 Making something go up and come down, somewhere, at
some range, isn't hard. Making it go up and come down with any practical
accuracy, at range, with any kind of decent overall system reliability -
exceptionally difficult. Requires lots of testing and work.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 13, 2018 02:51 PM (QDnY+)

Yeah, if the Norks actually did fire one of their primitive ICBM's at Hawaii, the smartest thing to do would be to go indoors, away from large windows, and stare at an inside wall. There's no safe to place to evacuate to in the time available, and their odds of achieving a direct hit on your humble abode are close to nil. The bomb will most likely burst a hundred miles out to sea.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 13, 2018 03:00 PM (sD2WN)

530 You don't see Yuuge V8's in Studebaker coupes because their flathead six, usually called a "Cathcart" from the name of the supplier of the vintage speed-shoppe parts, is probably the best-sounding Old School hot-rod motor out there. Them babies really rap.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 13, 2018 02:49 PM (H5rtT)

yeah even stock those suckers rumble like they got a cam in them.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at January 13, 2018 03:00 PM (aMlLZ)

531 Actually, tbodie, no. Stealing plans/engineering solutions to things is not enough in ballistic missile work - you simply have to test and test and do it yourself to develop quality and reliability.

If there are particular technical hang-ups, "borrowed" info can help accelerate solutions. Fascinating story of US engineers, in an elaborate kabuki set-up at conferences, helping the French overcome specific roadblocks to making their submarine-launched missiles work. US law prohibited sharing certain info. But winking, nodding, or doing certain gestures (as at a high-end auction) were considered "work-arounds" to the law. Absent this, French SLBM force might have been delayed for many years.

And I didn't even touch on the idiocy of a single missile launch. The Norks attack the friggin' US, knowing that armageddon will descend on them and they are powerless to stop it? What's the point? And no, the Norks' history shows an extremely aggressive risk-friendly form of trouble-making, but not a suicidal one. They clearly (correctly) calculated the fall-out of all their worst provocations.

From assassinating much of the SoKo cabinet in the 80s, to kidnapping Japanese off the beach, to DMZ incidents to overall fulminations and even missile tests across Japanese territory, all the Norks' outrages were correctly assessed as unlikely to unleash a serious response. Of course the longer term political impact, especially in Japan, was not considered.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 13, 2018 03:02 PM (QDnY+)

532 *She also said this is why Trump needs to have face to face talks with Lil Kim, like that would end well.
Posted by: mallfly the Georgia Peach at January 13, 2018 02:47 PM (ILitO)*

Save us Obi Trump kanobi. You're our only hope.

I wonder if she realizes what she just said.

Posted by: tbodie at January 13, 2018 03:04 PM (YTvcG)

533 Making it go up and come down with any practical accuracy, at range, with any kind of decent

Korea is a peninsula. The Norks have missed the water - repeatedly.

Posted by: DaveA at January 13, 2018 03:07 PM (FhXTo)

534 http://cartype.com/pages/346/body_by_fisher

Most of Dad's GM's had these door lintels. IDRC any on mine.

Posted by: DaveA at January 13, 2018 03:11 PM (FhXTo)

535 In the Axis of Evil, Iraq (Saddam) was clearly the incompetent one. His regime attempted suicide 3 times, and got it right on the third try (2003).

But Saddam's bold moves were stupid, and reflected a very unsophisticated grasp of anything outside Iraqi tribal power struggles. Iran, Kuwait, and 2003 were all completely avoidable disasters in which Saddam showed zero understanding of his adversaries or the outside world. This pattern was also shown in crazy-a** shit like his attempt to kill GHWB, and in many inter-Arab situations less well known to most.

Combined with resources, and even human resources/technical capability, that far exceeded what Iran has even today, and probably the Norks as well, this made his Iraq vastly more dangerous than the other two, in a near-term and conventional sense.

Iran's special menace arises precisely from its ruthlessness, and cunning. The Norks are pretty crude, but have had China's implicit protection as a cat's paw, in pursuing their provocations over the years. But it kind of makes sense. Persia was one history's great empires and civilizations. Korea was a poor suppressed backwater, and what is now Iraq never had a period comparable to both the pre- and Islamic Persians.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 13, 2018 03:12 PM (QDnY+)

536 Rhomboid

Thanks for the analysis. Much appreciated.

My thesis is that dictators, wanting to win even more power in their own lifetime, go early. Every time. Its not exactly stupidity, it's lack of patience and a over-weaning ego.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 13, 2018 03:32 PM (hyuyC)

537 "Just the relatively small number of tests at any extended range, alone, sez to me the Norks are at a primitive level."

That's why I've been calling them bottle rockets.

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 13, 2018 03:52 PM (pV/54)

538 NaCly Dog, no doubt your general observation is correct, about dictators seeking more and more power.

Seems individual cases vary, quite a bit.

One broad dichotomy I'd claim is visible in modern tyrannies is defensive/messianic-expansive. It over-simplifies, but I think legitimately.

Stalin, Norks, Saddam (mixed case) - defensive. As in paranoid. Almost everything they do can be fully explained as efforts to secure their absolute power and security, in a domestic sense. Stalin, up to WWII, even drastically endangered his international vulnerability through his extreme efforts to utterly terrorize an enormous empire. Saddam was 90% defensive (Iran war even squeezes into that category), but he did develop some vague pan-Arab messianic delusions up til 1991.

Hitler, Iranian Islamic tyrants - offensive/messianic. Up to Poland, Hitler was literally consolidating the German "volk", however audacious (Austria) his style. But obviously he had visions that vastly exceeded restoration, or recovery, or erasing the Versailles legacy (from the outset). Germany was sitting fairly pretty in August '39, and Hitler was a wildly successful, popular leader - apart from the euphoria from the quick/easy victory in the west in 1940, it was all downhill from there. Nothing "defensive" about any moves after the Rhineland, probably. Iranian mullahs have two solid legacies (pre-Islamic, and Islamic) of empire on which to build. Like Hitler they devote resources and energy to external adventures most Iranians either oppose or don't give two f***s about.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 13, 2018 04:04 PM (QDnY+)

539 Hell Hole

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk9aThIovMA

Posted by: jsg at January 13, 2018 04:05 PM (XTXXB)

540 rhomboid

Thanks! *takes theory out, tinkers with it*

BTW, Hedgehog is from The Royal Navy Department of Miscellaneous Weapons Development, known colloquially as the Wheezers and Dodgers.

Nevil Shute worked there, as well as a lot of crazed engineers and explosives experts. Very productive, if not exactly war winning.

Not the SOE.

Department of Miscellaneous Weapons Development was tasked with solutions to problems posed by the Royal Navy operating forces. Anything to hurt the Germans.

Hence, Hedgehog and Squid ASW (throw-ahead ASW weapons), AA defense on the cheap, acoustic decoys, and some of the artificial harbour tech for Normandy. And a lot of stuff that did not work, but generally went boom.

Ironically, one of their successes was "plastic armor" for merchant ships, but this got very little publicity. It was granite, limestone and road tar. So road crews armored up merchant ships.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 13, 2018 04:14 PM (hyuyC)

541 statistics "serve white racial interests"

Obviously they never heard of Obama's Bureau of Phony Statistics' Ferguson Desk, where socialist lawyers massage numbers night and day until they add up to the preplanned conclusion.

Their margin of error is plus or minus all 57 states.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at January 13, 2018 04:16 PM (Ndje9)

542 The Gipper Lives

Imagine what the country could be like without the constant Leftist stupidity and resource wasting.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 13, 2018 04:29 PM (hyuyC)

543 Trans traitor inspires massive Dem turnout, wins in a walk.

In other news, John Kerry is getting a sex change operation.

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544 http://bit.ly/2CZ4cZ6

Godfather of Clinton Mafia getting antsy ?????????

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