The Morning Report 1/10/18

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Good morning kids. The big story today, and far and away the most important issue facing us as Americans that will determine the fate of this nation, is immigration illegal and legal.

Yesterday, in a surprise move, the President held a meeting at the White House with political leaders in both parties to discuss the status of the so-called "DREAMers, the DACA executive order that has illegally kept them here, border security and the question of what is euphemistically called "comprehensive immigration reform" but in reality is Amnesty for at least 11 million and perhaps as many as 20 million foreign nationals here illegally. And by the way, stop the presses: the 9th Circus has illegally, with no Constitutional authority to do so, ordered the President to Reinstate DACA. Thank you, Marbury vs Madison for that one.

From just the tactical side, it was completely out of left field; the press was not only in the room but was actually broadcasting the meeting live which I cannot recall ever seeing before. The President exuded confidence, control, command of the facts and, contra the meme, his faculties. But, I'm getting ahead of myself. Let's get back to attempting to read the seams on the baseball.

First and foremost, this entire issue is what propelled candidate Trump into the White House in the first place. Speaking only for myself, yet confident my view also reflects the mindset of millions of others, compromising with Democrats only means slowing down the timetable of the destruction of the Republic, not the reversing of the trajectory. And on this issue, it's life and death.

My stance is hardline. If you are here illegally, you are a non-citizen, you are breaking our laws and you do not have any rights to be here at all. Period. Full stop. And that includes your children whether you spawned them here or used them as props and dragged them across the border with you as a human shield. The only thing that needs to be comprehensively reformed are the morals and character of those in office and in law enforcement, to wit enforce the damn laws that are already on the books, cut off all benefits to non-citizens and severely punish those who knowingly employ them.

But I digress, yet again. We have numerous links both admonishing and warning the President - and rightly so - that to even risk any sort of compromise on this issue is political suicide. But on the other side of the coin, Rush Limbaugh and William Jacobson are of the opinion that this was a brilliant political move on the part of PDT that had nothing to do with immigration at all; it was masterful political theater to suck the oxygen out of the Oprah rally and, more importantly, to explode the meme of the Michael Wolff fiction. And that is exactly what happened, intentional or not.

Look, over the past year there were several instances where I was in freak out mode that the President was going to break campaign promises and go along with the swamp, only to be proven wrong. And so, even as he rhetorically dances almost within a strawberry blonde pubic hair's width of the political third rail, I have to believe that he absolutely knows what he's doing and that there's no way he's going to do this. That said, assuming he is playing this as a ruse, to entrust crafting immigration legislation with a GOP led by Lindsay Graham-nesty and in the pocket of the Chamber of Commerce is something that scares the living hell out of me. I hope the President knows what he's doing in that regard.

In other news, Rep Desantis is asking Paul Ryno to declassify all the FBI and DoJ documents related to the Pee-Pee-Gate "Dossier" maguffin and Daniel Greenfield with another excellent article putting all the pieces together on how Hillary used the FBI to sabotage Trump before the election.

Lastly, circling back to the immigration issue, Hungary understands full well what unchecked migration can do to a country. It and several other former east bloc nations are not allowing the Muslim hordes to conquer them, unlike Western Europe which is up to its yet-to-be decapitated necks in it. And this is a lesson and a warning for us and this President. It is the number one reason why he was elected. I hope he's lurking.

Anyway, links from around the world, across the nation and up your street. Have a better one and remain blessed.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at 07:29 AM




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1 YAYYYY

Posted by: Bruce at January 10, 2018 07:25 AM (8ikIW)

2 1000th!

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at January 10, 2018 07:25 AM (oVJmc)

3 1st-ish

Posted by: Eli Cash at January 10, 2018 07:25 AM (anYwd)

4 G'mornin' Horde !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at January 10, 2018 07:27 AM (oVWx5)

5 Thank you John Ekdahl for my Sonobi-free environment.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Critic de Cinema Verite at January 10, 2018 07:27 AM (wyL+Z)

6 For some reason Spotify decided to sport me Handel's Messiah this morning.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Critic de Cinema Verite at January 10, 2018 07:28 AM (wyL+Z)

7 I'll repost this.

Federal LEOs in California raided several apartment buildings that act as "Maternity Hotels" for Chinese women who want to drop anchor babies.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 10, 2018 07:28 AM (ApE1F)

8 Nah, basz meg. Ilyen a kommunizmus.

Hol a kave?

Posted by: Miklos, huha at January 10, 2018 07:28 AM (zCyNd)

9
Sonobi: the Nicolae Ceaucescu of pop-up ads.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 10, 2018 07:29 AM (JKd4I)

10 But if we don't let the Muslims win, then the Muslims win!

Posted by: Hikaru at January 10, 2018 07:29 AM (iK8OT)

11 8 Nah, basz meg. Ilyen a kommunizmus.

Hol a kave?
Posted by: Miklos, huha at January 10, 2018 07:28 AM (zCyNd)


Egen.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 10, 2018 07:29 AM (mbhDw)

12 Good morning!

I am right there with ya on the immigration stuff, JJ.
I have to believe that Trump has taken full account of the behavior of the Democrats *and* Rupublicans on this for the past 6 mos. and will not be easily back-stabbed.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 10, 2018 07:30 AM (W+vEI)

13 Convicted felon and traitor Barfley Manning continues to win admirers by Tweeting "Fvck the police!"

http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=77069

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 10, 2018 07:30 AM (ApE1F)

14
For some reason Spotify decided to sport me Handel's Messiah this morning.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Critic de Cinema Verite


Beats waking up to Cage, Boulez or Stockhausen in the morning.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 10, 2018 07:30 AM (JKd4I)

15 >>Federal LEOs in California raided several apartment buildings that act
as "Maternity Hotels" for Chinese women who want to drop anchor babies.

Oh, my - will they FINALLY be getting serious about this?

Posted by: Lizzy at January 10, 2018 07:31 AM (W+vEI)

16 800k criminals are more important than 300 Million Citizens.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 10, 2018 07:31 AM (BtQd4)

17 the 9th Circus has illegally, with no Constitutional authority to do so, ordered the President to Reinstate DACA.



They really do think they run the country. It would be nice if they were reminded that they don't

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 10, 2018 07:31 AM (SiINZ)

18 Federal LEOs in California raided several apartment buildings that act
as "Maternity Hotels" for Chinese women who want to drop anchor babies.

To what purpose? Was it a zoning violation?

Posted by: Miklos, ni hao at January 10, 2018 07:32 AM (zCyNd)

19 On Trump's immigration covfefe I can only adopt my usual approach: wait to see what he does, and don't listen to what he says.

IMO, he is adopting a similar approach to Congress on immigration as he did with ZeroCare; telling them to legislate, and he will sign "anything". He does this because he is confident they won't actually do anything.

What he means is he will sign anything that meets his always-stated minimums: end chain migration, reform lottery and visas, build the wall and, then, he will consider DACA.

I think so, anyway. Can never be too sure with Trump.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Critic de Cinema Verite at January 10, 2018 07:33 AM (wyL+Z)

20 Morning peeps.

The body language of those clowns during the so-called "immigration debate" is a tell.

The donks are going to screw Trump first chance they get, bigly.

Posted by: Deplorable Redneck Bitter Clinger at January 10, 2018 07:33 AM (jAZR9)

21 Federal LEOs in California raided several apartment buildings that act as "Maternity Hotels" for Chinese women who want to drop anchor babies.
_________________

On Trump's "To Do" list should be getting congress to revise that stupid EMTALA, which is what started all this bullshit "birthright tourism" by foreigners in the first place.

Not only do they get to drop their foreign babies here for instant American citizenship, but many of them leave the country with the hospital bills unpaid, leaving U.S. taxpayers to foot the bill.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at January 10, 2018 07:33 AM (fqUgw)

22 The raids are about Visa fraud since the women apparently are visiting the US as "tourists." But then have babies on US soil.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 10, 2018 07:33 AM (ApE1F)

23 Simple take on illegal immigrants is symmetry. What would Mexico or countries in central and south america do to people who entered their countries illegally? In every case, the illegals would be arrested and kicked out of the country. You don't have to think that people here illegally are bad or that they come for welfare benefits to insist that the laws be followed. They have broken the law, and in bringing their children here, or having children here, are still responsible for them. This is on them, not the American government or the American people.

Posted by: IanDeal at January 10, 2018 07:34 AM (qcIL3)

24 7. Yay. Ive seen groups of them at south Coast plaza. They get citizenship for the baby, go home for a few years, then send the kids back here for school. No assimilation. End it.

Posted by: LASue at January 10, 2018 07:34 AM (hZ+us)

25 I am not prepared to panic over Trump's possible cave over immigration. I mean, that would be like taking Andrew Jackson off the 20 dollar bill. Inconceivable!

Posted by: Miklos, ni hao hao hao at January 10, 2018 07:35 AM (zCyNd)

26 The MFM is admitting the obvious: that the donk bench for president smells like ass, mildew and old post offices but, as usual, refuses to scrutinize the reason for it, namely that Cock Curious and Slick were such poor and self centered executives that everything was about those two dickholes. Who emerged with the stature of Pence or Haley from the last eight years? Simpering twats like Ben Rhodes or Poofter Plouffe? What a sad fucking joke.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 10, 2018 07:37 AM (y7DUB)

27 17 the 9th Circus has illegally, with no Constitutional authority to do so, ordered the President to Reinstate DACA.



They really do think they run the country. It would be nice if they were reminded that they don't
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 10, 2018 07:31 AM (SiINZ)



The official White House response should be:

"Under the laws in our Constitution that delegate the powers of each of the there branches, the 9th Circuit has no Constitutional authority nor legal basis to interfere with the legal functioning of the Executive Branch in the rescinding of previous executive orders by the issuing of same. Their action will be ignored and we have ordered all law enforcement agencies to continue carrying out their duties. The executive order rescinding and nullifying DACA stands."


Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 10, 2018 07:38 AM (mbhDw)

28 The raids are about Visa fraud since the women apparently are visiting the US as "tourists." But then have babies on US soil.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 10, 2018 07:33 AM (ApE1F)

To my knowledge, that is not against the law. Should be, but isn't.

Posted by: Miklos, don't know nothin' bout birthin babies in CA at January 10, 2018 07:38 AM (zCyNd)

29 well Trump said he was going to sign whatever that room put on his desk, he would not demand this or that.

"This or that" seemed to clearly indicate things like e-verify of that chain migration thing.

He had a public forum to reveal the "reform" (amnesty for all, keep them coming) Democrats as having a desire to completely change this nation, which they've been doing since the 1965 Act that magically became a portal to the third world invasion.

Now he has to walk it back a little, or just continue the surrender. It sounds like Mueller is holding the Kushner's hostage and Trump has surrendered. But sure ... genius.

Posted by: illiniwek at January 10, 2018 07:38 AM (otAqJ)

30 Ive learned to trust Trump to keep his word and do whats best for the US and will continue to believe until he proves me wrong.

Posted by: LASue at January 10, 2018 07:39 AM (hZ+us)

31 That sex-change regret article keeps giving me a pop-up ad for Snap-On™ Tools.

Posted by: Muldoon at January 10, 2018 07:39 AM (wPiJc)

32

The official White House response should be:


"No Standing."

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at January 10, 2018 07:39 AM (oVJmc)

33 >>>>well Trump said he was going to sign whatever that room put on his desk, he would not demand this or that.



"This or that" seemed to clearly indicate things like e-verify of that chain migration thing.



He had a public forum to reveal the "reform" (amnesty for all, keep
them coming) Democrats as having a desire to completely change this
nation, which they've been doing since the 1965 Act that magically
became a portal to the third world invasion.



Now he has to walk it back a little, or just continue the surrender.
It sounds like Mueller is holding the Kushner's hostage and Trump has
surrendered. But sure ... genius.
.
.
.If I had a dollar for every time someone said Trump would cave on this or that, I would have a whole bunch of dollars.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at January 10, 2018 07:40 AM (+Dllb)

34 23 Posted by: IanDeal at January 10, 2018 07:34 AM (qcIL3)


Have you seen or heard Mexico's immigration laws. Ho. Lee. Fook. Levin used to read them on the air whenever this issue came up.

Harsh.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 10, 2018 07:40 AM (mbhDw)

35 >>800k criminals are more important than 300 Million Citizens.
>>The body language of those clowns during the so-called "immigration debate" is a tell.
The donks are going to screw Trump first chance they get, bigly.


Geez, Schumer and Pelosi demonstrated that last fall when they did their ugly victory lap after meeting with Trump - openly bragging that they had talked him out of his #1 campaign promise. Pure slime from the get-go.

One of the benefits of yesterday's meeting was seeing that even now, both sides still use weasel wording like "increased border security" and calls to "tighten our borders" in hopes that Trump, and us stoopid citizens, don't notice they are not talking about a physical wall.
*face palm*

Posted by: Lizzy at January 10, 2018 07:40 AM (W+vEI)

36 Apparently they went after three dozen such "Maternity Hotels" Among the possible charges facing the defendants includes Tax Fraud.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/03/us/maternity-tourism-raids-california/index.html

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 10, 2018 07:41 AM (ApE1F)

37 32 The official White House response should be:

"No Standing."
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at January 10, 2018 07:39 AM (oVJmc)


Brevity is the soul of wit. You win a cookie.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 10, 2018 07:41 AM (mbhDw)

38 If I had a dollar for every time someone said Trump would cave on this or that, I would have a whole bunch of dollars.

This.

We've gone through EXACTLY this process in the past.

If nothing else, we see how often things can't get through Congress.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at January 10, 2018 07:42 AM (oVJmc)

39 That sex-change regret article keeps giving me a pop-up ad for Snap-On Tools.

Posted by: Muldoon at January 10, 2018 07:39 AM (wPiJc)


It alternates with one for Snap-Off.

Posted by: Miklos at January 10, 2018 07:42 AM (zCyNd)

40
I think Trump is a big proponent of the American men and women who built his hotels, golf courses, and casinos. He knows that under-the-table labor and sub-contractor abuse by illegals has hurt them.

I can't see him doing anything that will hurt his core constituency. If he does, maybe it's time to look at that 25th amendment mental exam.

Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at January 10, 2018 07:42 AM (2FqvZ)

41 They really do think they run the country. It would be nice if they were reminded that they don't
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 10, 2018 07:31 AM (SiINZ)


The black robed tyrants seized power early on with Marbury v Madison, which anyone with a thirst for freedom realizes ran contrary to every fucking thing the country was founded on. Frankly it's shocking the country has done as well as it has with that albatross around its neck. If there's ever an Article V convention, that pile of shit has to be the first thing done away with.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 10, 2018 07:43 AM (y7DUB)

42 TRUMP!

Posted by: MAGA at January 10, 2018 07:43 AM (LnOh3)

43 Yesterday's meeting Trump had with Congressional critters showed the average American what kind of idiots are making the sausage. And Trump has to put up with said idiots.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 10, 2018 07:43 AM (ApE1F)

44 The official White House response should be:

"No Standing."

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at January 10, 2018 07:39 AM (oVJmc)



or Helicopter rides for the lot of you

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 10, 2018 07:44 AM (SiINZ)

45 If Ryno and Gramnesty want to cave on DACA amnesty to avoid a Government shutdown or something, what can we expect their position to be in six months or a year, when the Dems threaten a shutdown over funding for the wall, or over amnesty for parents of the DACA kids?

A cave-in now means cave-in's from now on.

Posted by: Gref at January 10, 2018 07:44 AM (AMIL/)

46 43 Yesterday's meeting Trump had with Congressional critters showed the average American what kind of idiots are making the sausage. And Trump has to put up with said idiots.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 10, 2018 07:43 AM (ApE1F)


I think (read: pray) it was a cunning stunt on the part of PDT.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 10, 2018 07:44 AM (mbhDw)

47 Due to yesterday's meeting I will soak myself in gasoline and sel-immolate.

Goodbye cruel world!

Posted by: MAGA at January 10, 2018 07:46 AM (LnOh3)

48 cunning stunt

For the ONT, por favor.

Posted by: Miklos at January 10, 2018 07:46 AM (zCyNd)

49 We've come a long way since 1954 and Eisenhower's Operation Wetback. Or have we?

Posted by: Zod at January 10, 2018 07:46 AM (Bdeb0)

50 As long as Tom Cotton supports the deal, I'm good.

Posted by: Serious Cat at January 10, 2018 07:48 AM (bOFaz)

51 "No Standing."

And No Squatting neither.

Posted by: Case at January 10, 2018 07:48 AM (ZgKFD)

52 49 We've come a long way since 1954 and Eisenhower's Operation Wetback. Or have we?
Posted by: Zod at January 10, 2018 07:46 AM (Bdeb0)


You can argue that because of Ted Kennedy's Hart-Celler Act in 1965, he singlehandedly has caused more destruction than anyone before or since.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 10, 2018 07:48 AM (mbhDw)

53 >>I think (read: pray) it was a cunning stunt on the part of PDT.

If nothing else, it was a show designed to demonstrate that, a) Trump is not insane/experiencing dementia*, etc., and b) Trump is more than happy to deal - it's Congress that needs to get their act together - think that will happen?


*They're all on tape - they can't now claim stuff like, "When I've met with Trump recently I was troubled by his lack of attention blah blah blah"; they are now witnesses to his competence. Heh.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 10, 2018 07:48 AM (W+vEI)

54 I fail to see why I should be concerned that "time is running out" to "protect" the Dreamers like I keep hearing. Just what I have they done for me, besides help destroy the local public schools?

Posted by: Ripley at January 10, 2018 07:49 AM (MxEKc)

55 You can argue that because of Ted Kennedy's Hart-Celler Act in 1965, he singlehandedly has caused more destruction than anyone before or since.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 10, 2018 07:48 AM (mbhDw)

And you would win that argument.

Posted by: Miklos at January 10, 2018 07:49 AM (zCyNd)

56 Panic now - think later.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Sleep Tight with A Comey Shred-N-Burn from the Outrage Outlet! at January 10, 2018 07:49 AM (hLRSq)

57 "If I had a dollar for every time someone said Trump would cave on this or that, I would have a whole bunch of dollars. Posted by: The Great White Scotsman
Caving on the wall and getting control of the border FIRST was his biggest issue. I never doubted him on the judges or reducing regulation, or even pushing tax cuts.

I was even sure he would push to remove the gangs ... but it makes little sense to not push full border control in such a public forum, since it is popular.

Once they get DACA, they will be even louder that the other 11 million and another 40 million cousins come ... or RACIST. PDT didn't make the argument for his signature issue.

Posted by: illiniwek at January 10, 2018 07:50 AM (otAqJ)

58 Clinton era immigration reform hailed a success
https://preview.tinyurl.com/n24fu3j

As for the Clowns of Congress, this always applies
https://preview.tinyurl.com/3nxcv57

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 10, 2018 07:50 AM (ApE1F)

59
I wouldn't necessarily be so concerned if I knew we had a Justice Dept. and INS/DHS services that were actually enforcing existing laws to the hilt as well as punishing the employers of illegal aliens.

But, we have AG Lemmon 714, Secret Agent on the job, and so...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 10, 2018 07:51 AM (mbhDw)

60 >>54
I fail to see why I should be concerned that "time is running out" to
"protect" the Dreamers like I keep hearing. Just what I have they done
for me, besides help destroy the local public schools? Posted by: Ripley at January 10, 2018 07:49 AM (MxEKc)

They contribute to diversity, which is good, because diversity.

Posted by: Zod at January 10, 2018 07:52 AM (Bdeb0)

61 >>>>*They're all on tape - they can't now claim stuff like, "When I've met
with Trump recently I was troubled by his lack of attention blah blah
blah"; they are now witnesses to his competence. Heh.
.
.
.When has that stopped the dems from doing anything?

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at January 10, 2018 07:52 AM (+Dllb)

62 Levin is, as usual, 100% correct on how the citizens have been sold out by the Uniparty and Gas Chamber of Crony Capitalism on immigration issues.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 10, 2018 07:52 AM (y7DUB)

63 My impression of Trump's meeting yesterday, aside from it being a brilliant piece of theater and whomever came up with that idea deserves a promotion, is that Trump is an awesome negotiator and most people who have never been in high level negotiations don't understand what he is doing.

Whether we like or not DACA is popular with a large segment of the population, perhaps a majority. We can argue all day whether it means the death of the republic or not or whether people are uninformed but that is the reality of the position. And he and we also wants strong borders and enforcement of immigration laws.

The other reality of the situation is there are not enough Republican votes to do what he and most of us want without a compromise with Democrats. Again, we can argue all day but until 51 becomes 60 that is reality.

We want border security, an end to insane immigration policies and enforcement of immigration laws. Dems want none of those. Dems want DACA and we don't. So here's the question, do we want those things enough to compromise on DACA or not and the opposite is true for the Dems?

That's the deal. We can argue all day about the merits of making a deal but if Trump holds fast and lets DACA expire we aren't getting any of the immigration enforcement things we want including the wall. I'd be willing to give on DACA if we concurrently get a wall, and end to chain migration and an end to the visa lottery but your mileage may vary.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 10, 2018 07:53 AM (/tuJf)

64 61 >>>>*They're all on tape - they can't now claim stuff like, "When I've met
with Trump recently I was troubled by his lack of attention blah blah
blah"; they are now witnesses to his competence. Heh.
.
.
.When has that stopped the dems from doing anything?
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at January 10, 2018 07:52 AM (+Dllb)


True. But it has sucked the life out of the Oprah event and the MFM was forced to report that PDT was in command of that meeting.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 10, 2018 07:53 AM (mbhDw)

65 Ivanka told Trump "Daddy - I need new maids and nannies!" and Trump said "Anything you want sweetheart, open border for all!" and so we are betrayed yet again, and doomed.

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I thought I would get that in because I didn't see it when I skimmed through the thread.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Sleep Tight with A Comey Shred-N-Burn from the Outrage Outlet! at January 10, 2018 07:53 AM (hLRSq)

66 Morning, all.

Today's birthday girl is Peggy Shannon:

https://tinyurl.com/yavtjjm5

She was an Arkansas girl, real name Winona Sammon. Like so many pretty girls of her time, she ended up in New York as a Ziegfeld Girl, also appearing in rival Earl Carroll's Vanities.

https://tinyurl.com/y9g9awp2

Paramount producer B.P. Schulberg (father of Budd Schulberg, author of What Makes Sammy Run?[/I) signed her up as a replacement for Clara Bow, who had suffered a breakdown during the filming of 1931s The Secret Call and had to be pulled from the shoot.

Shannon recalled working 16-hour days while filming, and often moving directly from one shoot to another as soon as the previous one had wrapped. The toll of work began to tell on her and she developed a drinking problem.

https://tinyurl.com/ycvp8yxq

She left Paramount for Fox, but her drinking, combined with the chaotic atmosphere at that studio, led to her dismissal. Her drinking intensified, and while she worked through the 1930s, her alcoholism and temper kept her from bigger parts. Her last movie was RKOs Triple Justice in 1940.

https://tinyurl.com/ycu52mt3

On May 11, 1941, Shannon's husband returned from a fishing trip to find her dead, slumped over the kitchen table with an empty glass in her hand. The coroner's verdict was a heart attack as a result of her drinking and generally poor health.

Three weeks later, Shannon's husband sat down at the same table, put a .22 rifle to his mouth and pulled the trigger. His suicide note read, "I am very much in love with my wife, Peggy Shannon. In this spot she died, so in reverence to her, you will find me in the same spot."

https://tinyurl.com/y834e7r8

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 10, 2018 07:54 AM (kqsXK)

67 Remember, the extension Trump gave to DACA expires in March. Trump can do nothing, say I tried, etc. Time is his friend.

Especially if the immigration topic is overtaken in the next few weeks by other things, e.g. IG reports.

Posted by: Miklos, carefully at January 10, 2018 07:54 AM (zCyNd)

68 "They're all on tape - they can't now claim stuff
like, "When I've met with Trump recently I was troubled by his lack of
attention blah blah blah"; they are now witnesses to his competence.
Heh.



Posted by: Lizzy"

They are all on tape talking and negotiating in a relatively civil manner, not being obnoxious, shouting, resisting, linking arms and chanting with their pussy hats on like their voters would like to see. This will not go over well with the lunatic base.

Posted by: Ripley at January 10, 2018 07:54 AM (MxEKc)

69 >>When has that stopped the dems from doing anything?


Never - but it's just another "who are you going to believe, Dem or your lyin' eyes who saw the meeting on CNN?"

Red-pilling can take time, but each one of these instances can contribute to a paradigm shift to those who are not completely nutso/lost. I have to believe that, anyway...

Posted by: Lizzy at January 10, 2018 07:54 AM (W+vEI)

70 "sucked the life out of the Oprah event"

Do I hear a remake of Lifeforce?

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 10, 2018 07:55 AM (ApE1F)

71 >>>Winona Sammon

Harrumph!!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Metastable Soopergeenyus at January 10, 2018 07:56 AM (p1yMI)

72 I was "this" close.

Posted by: Dick Durbin Hodgenson's spotter at January 10, 2018 07:56 AM (14qvS)

73 "Ted Kennedy's Hart-Celler Act in 1965, he singlehandedly has caused more destruction than anyone before or since. Posted by: J.J. Sefton

that's a big one for sure. But he didn't do it alone. And the shadow government has been pushing fascist like control from behind the scenes for a long time.

Control of our currency by the private banker cabal in 1913 was pretty big, and oligarch trillionaire predators will soon be roaming the earth, devouring what they will.

Posted by: illiniwek at January 10, 2018 07:56 AM (otAqJ)

74 Despair now, despair tomorrow, despair forever.

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Note: No names are mentioned.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Sleep Tight with A Comey Shred-N-Burn from the Outrage Outlet! at January 10, 2018 07:57 AM (hLRSq)

75 If the Democrats now close down the government while arguing Trump is intransigent on immigration it'll seem arbitrary, since Trump said "send me a deal and I'll sign it". They can virtue signal all they want now, but I don't think anyone will buy their bullshit.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Critic de Cinema Verite at January 10, 2018 07:57 AM (WLeoI)

76 Oh, for fuck's sake.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 10, 2018 07:57 AM (kqsXK)

77 >>They can virtue signal all they want now, but I don't think anyone will buy their bullshit.

Half the country at least will buy their bullshit.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 10, 2018 07:58 AM (/tuJf)

78 Oh, forgot Oprah also gave us Dr. Oz.
*eye roll*

Posted by: Lizzy at January 10, 2018 07:58 AM (W+vEI)

79 MPPPP at least you avoided the Barrel.

Did you like those videos from yesterday? How goes the sale on Thirteen Moons?

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Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 10, 2018 07:59 AM (ApE1F)

80 77 >>They can virtue signal all they want now, but I don't think anyone will buy their bullshit.

Half the country at least will buy their bullshit.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 10, 2018 07:58 AM (/tuJf)


Optimist or pessimist.

The optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds and the pessimist fears this to be true.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 10, 2018 07:59 AM (mbhDw)

81 The law providing for a border wall and/or equivalent has been on the books for 25 years. Funding has been the question, which nobody has ever really pushed for. Trump does not need any new legislation for border security, he does need to pry some money out of a very opposed Congress.

Posted by: Miklos, if he remembers correctly at January 10, 2018 07:59 AM (zCyNd)

82 67 Remember, the extension Trump gave to DACA expires in March. Trump can do nothing, say I tried, etc. Time is his friend.
___________________

Except that a federal court has already ruled that Trump has to continue renewing the DACA recipients' permits, regardless of the fact that the program is unconstitutional.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at January 10, 2018 07:59 AM (fqUgw)

83 78 Oh, forgot Oprah also gave us Dr. Oz.
*eye roll*
Posted by: Lizzy at January 10, 2018 07:58 AM (W+vEI)


And "The Secret."

You know, "Monty Python's Meaning of Life" was more insightful than that crap.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 10, 2018 08:00 AM (mbhDw)

84 "sucked the life out of the Oprah event"

Do I hear a remake of Lifeforce?


Oprah nude through the whole movie??????


ACK!!!!

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at January 10, 2018 08:00 AM (oVJmc)

85 >>Optimist or pessimist.

Realist. Most people pay zero attention to politics. They believe what they are conditioned to believe.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 10, 2018 08:01 AM (/tuJf)

86 >>>>They are all on tape talking and negotiating in a relatively civil
manner, not being obnoxious, shouting, resisting, linking arms and
chanting with their pussy hats on like their voters would like to see.
This will not go over well with the lunatic base.
.
.
.No it will not and I expect all sorts or raving articles today about how they need to be recalled for not demanding this or that from Trump.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at January 10, 2018 08:01 AM (+Dllb)

87 The 9th Circus by that ruling just set it on a collision course that leads to the SCOTUS since Gaylord brought in the DREAMERs via EO.

Or Trump just ignores those clowns in black on the West Coast.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 10, 2018 08:01 AM (ApE1F)

88 'Oh, forgot Oprah also gave us Dr. Oz.'

I knew she was the force behind Dr Phil.

But was she really the one who breathed life into that Idiot, Dr Odz?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 10, 2018 08:01 AM (EyPfd)

89 An end to chain migration would be HUGE. You can argue it'd be more consequential than a border wall. I doubt dems will sign onto that, though. Maybe limiting it to a small number and only after significant years after original citizenship.

Posted by: Serious Cat at January 10, 2018 08:01 AM (bOFaz)

90 82 67 Remember, the extension Trump gave to DACA expires in March. Trump can do nothing, say I tried, etc. Time is his friend.
___________________

Except that a federal court has already ruled that Trump has to continue renewing the DACA recipients' permits, regardless of the fact that the program is unconstitutional.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at January 10, 2018 07:59 AM (fqUgw)


Amazing:

it's an Obama executive order, and a completely illegal one, that was rescinded by an executive order. The Judiciary has not standing/authority to interfere here.

This really is a major constitutional crisis.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 10, 2018 08:02 AM (mbhDw)

91 >>And "The Secret."



Yeah, what's that about - you can heal any disease with goodthink?!?


Posted by: Lizzy at January 10, 2018 08:03 AM (W+vEI)

92 How many Divisions does that Federal Court have?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 10, 2018 08:03 AM (EyPfd)

93 83 78 Oh, forgot Oprah also gave us Dr. Oz.
*eye roll*
Posted by: Lizzy at January 10, 2018 07:58 AM (W+vEI)


And "The Secret."
________________

She also endorsed that crack-pot New Age guy who had the sweat lodge in AZ where a bunch of people ended up dying from heat stroke.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at January 10, 2018 08:03 AM (fqUgw)

94 Trump could do well to make immigration the issue for the midterms.

Of course, too many Republicans are wrong on the issue, but still, that bush needs pruning.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at January 10, 2018 08:03 AM (oVJmc)

95 Small chance that the average schmuck sees a combination of lying media, bigger paychecks, and now trump negotiating like an adult with the same people who are always running about screaming like ninnies... Small chance that all that starts doing its work on the collective psyche of the average LIV.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 10, 2018 08:03 AM (T28di)

96 87 The 9th Circus by that ruling just set it on a collision course that leads to the SCOTUS since Gaylord brought in the DREAMERs via EO.

Or Trump just ignores those clowns in black on the West Coast.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 10, 2018 08:01 AM (ApE1F)


Frankly, I vote for the latter. If it's a war they want, then a war they shall have. At least I would publicly announce the 9th's ruling as null and void. For once, let them play catch me if you can. Fucking criminals.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 10, 2018 08:04 AM (mbhDw)

97 "I'd be willing to give on DACA if we concurrently get a wall, and end to chain migration and an end to the visa lottery but your mileage may vary.
Posted by: JackStraw

I thought he would give them DACA from when he talked about the big beautiful door in his wall. BUT I did not hear him push the idea of giving DACA and getting the other popular things, secure border, end chain migration, e-verify.

The optics were good, on the other fronts. He just had to add ... "I will take care of those dreamers, but the American people also demand we control our border with as much authority as Mexico does theirs. Too much human trafficking and drugs and jihadists to allow an open border"

Posted by: illiniwek at January 10, 2018 08:04 AM (otAqJ)

98 92 How many Divisions does that Federal Court have?
_________________

Same answer as this question: How many federal court orders has Trump ignored?

None.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at January 10, 2018 08:04 AM (fqUgw)

99

it's an Obama executive order, and a completely illegal one, that was rescinded by an executive order. The Judiciary has not standing/authority to interfere here.


If the Judiciary can order Executive orders, they run the Executive.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at January 10, 2018 08:05 AM (oVJmc)

100 This is an opportune time to phone the White House to tell them what you think of "comprehensive" reform (ie amnesty for 11M). WH comment line is 202 456 1111. If that doesn't work, regular switchboard is 202 456 1414

Posted by: random lurker commenter at January 10, 2018 08:05 AM (dab45)

101 This really is a major constitutional crisis.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 10, 2018 08:02 AM (mbhDw)

No. the California judge (Clinton appointee) will get a smackdown in due course, like the Hawaiian judge.

I would not be at all surprised if the Trump administration is slow rolling a number of things, waiting for Kennedy or Buzzy to shuffle off.

Posted by: Mornin' Miklos at January 10, 2018 08:06 AM (zCyNd)

102 No it will not and I expect all sorts or raving articles today about how they need to be recalled for not demanding this or that from Trump.


Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at January 10, 2018 08:01 AM (+Dllb)


And the greater sin of "normalizing" Trump.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Sleep Tight with A Comey Shred-N-Burn from the Outrage Outlet! at January 10, 2018 08:06 AM (hLRSq)

103 If Ruth Vader-Meinhoff Ginsburg was replaced by a Google AI, would anyone notice?

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 10, 2018 08:07 AM (ApE1F)

104 In other news, Rep Desantis is asking Paul Ryno to declassify all the FBI and DoJ documents related to the Pee-Pee-Gate "Dossier" maguffin and Daniel Greenfield with another excellent article putting all the pieces together on how Hillary used the FBI to sabotage Trump before the election.

Ryan is not a member of the executive branch and not a member of the intelligence community. He has no authority to declassify anything, despite what the linked article says. House rules may say that they can disclose anything in their possession, but that's not declassifying the Fusion GPS report. That's more of an official violation of the law.

Posted by: Semper Why at January 10, 2018 08:07 AM (wrzX1)

105 Smoke inhalation.

Posted by: JAS at January 10, 2018 08:07 AM (7JbXq)

106 Time to fill out my ballot:
Chemistry ___Oprah____
Physics ___Oprah____
Medicine ___Oprah____
Literature ___Oprah____
Peace ___Oprah____

Posted by: Nobel Prize Committee at January 10, 2018 08:08 AM (2FqvZ)

107 MPPPP at least you avoided the Barrel.

Thank heaven for closing tags!

Did you like those videos from yesterday? How goes the sale on Thirteen Moons?

I liked them very much, and not just for the obvious reason. I could have used those when I was doing Amadeus. In any event, I wonder if they have the same videos for Victorian women?

I know at least three people have bought Moons, since I have three good reviews. I'm not all that concerned about the amount of sales - I'll never be able to retire and write full-time - but I am glad people seem to like it. BTW, how goes your writing?

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Oh, Anna!

**hugs**

I hope you have an easy day and can relax.


Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 10, 2018 07:59 AM (ApE1F)

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 10, 2018 08:08 AM (kqsXK)

108 If Ruth Vader-Meinhoff Ginsburg was replaced by a Google AI, would anyone notice?

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 10, 2018 08:07 AM (ApE1F)

Well...she wouldn't.

Posted by: Mornin' Miklos at January 10, 2018 08:08 AM (zCyNd)

109 Would you prefer Oprah naked or Lena Dunham in that movie remake?

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 10, 2018 08:08 AM (ApE1F)

110 103 If Ruth Vader-Meinhoff Ginsburg was replaced by a Google AI, would anyone notice?
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR)

replace her with a potted plant. at least it would contribute oxygen to the room

Posted by: Rick in SK at January 10, 2018 08:09 AM (FZYNt)

111 I'm not naive. I know that bi-partisanship has gone the way of the dodo. O'care took care of that belief for me. However, I know many people who don't believe this. They want a return (I'm not sure we ever truly had it) to sitting down at at table with both sides present and hashing out a deal. Not behind closed doors like so many of our boondoggles but in the open. PDT is anything but stupid. Yes, yesterday's performance sucked the life out of the Oprah chatter and the mentally incompetent claims but also showed an attempt at open bi-partisan dealing.

Posted by: never enough caffeine at January 10, 2018 08:09 AM (N3JsI)

112 If Ruth Vader-Meinhoff Ginsburg was replaced by a Google AI, would anyone the buzzards notice?

*Suggested edit

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 10, 2018 08:09 AM (EyPfd)

113 109 Would you prefer Oprah naked or Lena Dunham in that movie remake?
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 10, 2018 08:08 AM (ApE1F)

No matter which you pick, you're getting Rosie O'Donnell.

Posted by: Hikaru at January 10, 2018 08:10 AM (WDCYi)

114 How long before Google simply eliminates badthink from its search results?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at January 10, 2018 08:10 AM (oVJmc)

115 >> thought he would give them DACA from when he talked about the big beautiful door in his wall. BUT I did not hear him push the idea of giving DACA and getting the other popular things, secure border, end chain migration, e-verify.

I heard all of them but e-verify. Mostly I heard Trump act like a CEO skillfully steering the negotiations between a group of people who don't really work for him but need his approval on any deal they make encouraging them to make a deal but also injecting what he considered deal breakers if they weren't included but using a very soft touch and making sure to puff their egos.

I also heard him take "comprehensive immigration reform" off the table for now because 1) it's always an excuse to get nothing done because 2) it will never get done.

Trump is pretty good at this deal making thing and he's not an idiot.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 10, 2018 08:10 AM (/tuJf)

116 "Or Trump just ignores those clowns in black on the West Coast."


He won't. Over the past year Donald Trump has shown that he is a stickler for doing things properly and following the procedures. He and his people have demonstrated that with every immigration order and by tossing things - federal marijuana laws, DACA - back at Congress where they belong. Trump will not do something rash and foolish and give his enemies even the slightest reason ("He is defying the Courts! The criminal monster!") for impeachment .

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Sleep Tight with A Comey Shred-N-Burn from the Outrage Outlet! at January 10, 2018 08:10 AM (hLRSq)

117 103 If Ruth Vader-Meinhoff Ginsburg was replaced by a Google AI, would anyone notice?
________________

The opinions would still be far-left twaddle, but the AI ones would probably be written better.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at January 10, 2018 08:10 AM (fqUgw)

118 109 Would you prefer Oprah naked or Lena Dunham in that movie remake?
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR)

go long on eye bleach

Posted by: Rick in SK at January 10, 2018 08:10 AM (FZYNt)

119 'replace her with a potted plant.'

Perhaps a Ficus?

Posted by: H. Weinstein at January 10, 2018 08:11 AM (EyPfd)

120 "I'd be willing to give on DACA if we concurrently get a wall, and end
to chain migration and an end to the visa lottery but your mileage may
vary.

-----------------------------


Lets say DACA is reinstated just as soon as the wall is finished and chain/lottery is legislated away. Then the Democrats will face pressure from the Dreamers to cave, and fast, since they will be sooooo close to getting their amnesty. Turn those particular Dem supporters into Trump supporters overnight.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Critic de Cinema Verite at January 10, 2018 08:11 AM (WLeoI)

121 63
Whether we like or not DACA is popular with a large segment of the population, perhaps a majority.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 10, 2018 07:53 AM (/tuJf) >>>>

Maybe so, JackStraw. The first question PDT needs to determine the answer to is: Do the Dems give a crap about a DACA deal, purely as a stand-alone item?

I believe the answer is NO. DACA is simply low-hanging fruit to them, as a sop to their base (per your comment above) and a wedge to get much bigger amnesty and continued loose immigration enforcement concessions.

So, PDT needs his Manhattan Real Estate Baron/Master-Class insight and arm-twisting skills at full power on this immigration stuff, to find a path through the Uniparty bluffs and dodges and minefields.

Posted by: Gref at January 10, 2018 08:11 AM (AMIL/)

122 MPPP I enjoyed Thirtoon Moons. Whoo boy good story. After watching those videos, started to get YouTube suggestions for 12th Century attire so possible. Amadeus as in Falco?

And Rickl dude, voting for a SCOTUS ficus?

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 10, 2018 08:11 AM (ApE1F)

123 109 Would you prefer Oprah naked or Lena Dunham in that movie remake?

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR)

-------------------

That's an easy one.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Critic de Cinema Verite at January 10, 2018 08:12 AM (WLeoI)

124 FWIW....

https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/950814026241593346

That's CNN - not Fox News.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 10, 2018 08:12 AM (W+vEI)

125 >>And "The Secret."
You know, "Monty Python's Meaning of Life" was more insightful than that crap. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 10, 2018 08:00 AM (mbhDw)

Saw the thumbnail for this on Netflix last night, nearly clicked on it to get hip. I get the sense I'd have wasted 1.5 hours of life (to add to the 1.5 hours I wasted popcorn-watching Tony Robbins fleece a room full of wealthy, mewling fools...).

Posted by: Zod at January 10, 2018 08:12 AM (Bdeb0)

126 120 Lets say DACA is reinstated just as soon as the wall is finished and chain/lottery is legislated away. Then the Democrats will face pressure from the Dreamers to cave, and fast, since they will be sooooo close to getting their amnesty. Turn those particular Dem supporters into Trump supporters overnight.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Critic de Cinema Verite at January 10, 2018 08:11 AM (WLeoI)

Not gonna happen. The only thing that matters is Voting Rights. And they ain't voting for someone who won't provide more Free Shit for the Free Shit Army.

Posted by: Hikaru at January 10, 2018 08:12 AM (WDCYi)

127 63
Whether we like or not DACA is popular with a large segment of the population, perhaps a majority.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 10, 2018 07:53 AM (/tuJf) >>>>


Says, who?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 10, 2018 08:13 AM (mbhDw)

128 "Trump could do well to make immigration the issue for the midterms. Posted by: Mr. Peebles

If he gives DACA first, he will remove a big item that is popular, and then win seats on fighting the rest. Maybe given all the "hatriotism" of the left, that would disarm them a bit.

But that is a tricky kind of political jujitsu on his biggest issue, and most vital to saving our country.

Posted by: illiniwek at January 10, 2018 08:13 AM (otAqJ)

129 I'd be willing to give on DACA if we concurrently get a wall, and end to chain migration and an end to the visa lottery but your mileage may vary.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 10, 2018 07:53 AM (/tuJf)


How do you define give in? Not deporting them but not granting citizenship unless they go about it the traditional way? That works for me, I guess, but not granting those vermin immediate citizenship; fuck that.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 10, 2018 08:13 AM (y7DUB)

130 109 Would you prefer Oprah naked or Lena Dunham in that movie remake?
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR)

The Ottoman thread is down the hall.

In the basement.

Second level.

Posted by: Mornin' Miklos at January 10, 2018 08:14 AM (zCyNd)

131 I watched a bit of "The Five" yesterday and heard Greg Gutfield refer to Sen. Feinstein as "Finesteen."

That idiot Dana Perino felt compelled to correct him.

Hehehehehe

Posted by: JAS at January 10, 2018 08:14 AM (7JbXq)

132 129 How do you define give in? Not deporting them but not granting citizenship unless they go about it the traditional way? That works for me, I guess, but not granting those vermin immediate citizenship; fuck that.
Posted by: Captain Hate at January 10, 2018 08:13 AM (y7DUB)

And the courts will grant them immediate citizenship and voting rights no matter what.

Posted by: Hikaru at January 10, 2018 08:14 AM (WDCYi)

133 replace her with a potted plant.

C'mon, man. I've already had a rough year.

Posted by: Harvey Weinstein at January 10, 2018 08:14 AM (MomVW)

134 'That's CNN - not Fox News.'

This is not a drill..

Pilots to the ready room.

Prepare for immediate take-off


I say again, this is not a drill

Posted by: Commander, Flying Pigs, Group One at January 10, 2018 08:15 AM (EyPfd)

135 Would you prefer Oprah naked or Lena Dunham in that movie remake?

Fork in the eye FTW.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at January 10, 2018 08:16 AM (oVJmc)

136 >>Says, who?

Every poll ever done. Again, most normal people (not us) don't really get all this worked up about this issue and they see these people as almost innocent victims brought here by their parents blah, blah, blah.

I'm not talking about their parents or other illegals, just this subset.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 10, 2018 08:16 AM (/tuJf)

137 We're so screwed.

Posted by: Mark Levin at January 10, 2018 08:17 AM (r9UYA)

138 This is probably going to be much ado about nothing as their is little chance the two sides will come to an agreement. Especially now that the courts have intervened by removing the March deadline.

Posted by: Serious Cat at January 10, 2018 08:17 AM (bOFaz)

139 >>Whether we like or not DACA is popular with a large segment of the population, perhaps a majority.


Which version - the MSM/Dem version that is all valedictorians who came here at age 2, or the real one that is estimated to be 40-50% fraud (rubber-stamped approval despite issues with applications), and that includes many illiterate, unable to speak English, "kids" who came here in their mid-teens and are more likely to commit other crimes and/or be a burden on their community (entitlements drain)?

Posted by: Lizzy at January 10, 2018 08:18 AM (W+vEI)

140 Fork in the eye FTW.

What about the other eye?

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 10, 2018 08:18 AM (ApE1F)

141 zzzzZZZZzzzz

Posted by: J. Sessions at January 10, 2018 08:18 AM (r9UYA)

142 Don't worry JJ Mexico will pay for the wall
AND
then pay fully for the financial costs of taking care of those wetback kids after we deport their parents

Posted by: Yeah at January 10, 2018 08:18 AM (gUGPr)

143 Ajit Pai comment:

Progressivism 101: Sometimes our words and arguments do not make you change your mind and you force us to violence.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 10, 2018 08:18 AM (BtQd4)

144 We're so screwed.


Posted by: Mark Levin at January 10, 2018 08:17 AM (r9UYA)

-----------------

Without despair you wouldn't have much to talk about on your radio show, so at least you have that.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Sleep Tight with A Comey Shred-N-Burn from the Outrage Outlet! at January 10, 2018 08:18 AM (hLRSq)

145 >>126
120 Lets say DACA is reinstated just as soon as the wall is finished and
chain/lottery is legislated away. Then the Democrats will face pressure
from the Dreamers to cave, and fast, since they will be sooooo close to
getting their amnesty. Turn those particular Dem supporters into Trump
supporters overnight.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Critic de Cinema Verite at January 10, 2018 08:11 AM (WLeoI)

Nothing is going to turn "those particular Dem supporters into Trump voters overnight." Also, any 'pressure' the Dreamers bring on the Dems will be self-respect lip-service, and won't change the previous assertion, and so is meaningless electorally. The Dreamers--like the black American voting bloc--is irrevocably bought and paid for by their Dem overseers, and no amount of "electoral spousal abuse" is likely to change that.

Posted by: Zod at January 10, 2018 08:19 AM (Bdeb0)

146 Well actually what I was thinking about with the Lifeforce reference was Oprah getting sucked of her vitality and turning into a mummy.

Whilst thinking "Oprah has finally lost that weight to reveal her inner Socialist."

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 10, 2018 08:19 AM (ApE1F)

147 'What about the other eye?'

Call me

Posted by: The Other Fork at January 10, 2018 08:19 AM (EyPfd)

148 Good morning horde and to quote JJ.

If you are here illegally, you are a non-citizen, you are breaking the laws and you do not have any rights to be here at all. Period. The only thing that needs to done is to enforce the laws that are already on the books, cut off all benefits to non-citizens and severely punish those who knowingly employ them.

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at January 10, 2018 08:19 AM (9B/d8)

149 I'm not talking about their parents or other illegals, just this subset.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 10, 2018 08:16 AM (/tuJf)

Support is broad, passive, and soft.

Which also means most people aren't really concerned whatever happens.

The democrats don't really want a deal with Trump-they need maximum outrage to gin up their perceived base.

Posted by: Mornin' Miklos at January 10, 2018 08:19 AM (zCyNd)

150 I didn't hear the whole thing ... the part I heard was Trump saying he would sign whatever congress came up with, he would not demand this or that. (not clarifying what this or that was, but they sure sounded like chain, everify ... and Levin saw it as surrender language)

BUT it was good theater in any case. Trump as a rational CEO, Dems not screaming and calling him crazy ... a start.

Posted by: illiniwek at January 10, 2018 08:20 AM (otAqJ)

151 I'd be willing to give on DACA if we concurrently get a wall,

Why? Because your enemies want it? I see no reason to give in

Posted by: t-bird at January 10, 2018 08:20 AM (PnFNZ)

152 Right now it's all theater. Kabuki. Smoke and mirrors. But at least there's a small slice of a chance we see a slightly different result from the process than what we normally get, by which I mean the gop of all branches grabbing ankle and begging for more.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 10, 2018 08:20 AM (T28di)

153 And the courts will grant them immediate citizenship and voting rights no matter what.
Posted by: Hikaru at January 10, 2018 08:14 AM (WDCYi)


With Gorsuch in place I'd be ready to take that shit balls to the wall to the top. Time to end that nonsense of those assholes meddling on the part of non citizens.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 10, 2018 08:20 AM (y7DUB)

154 rhennigantx

Read the Damore suit against Google where Google employees exchange messages discussing how to cure a conservative employee of their "wrong think"

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 10, 2018 08:20 AM (ApE1F)

155 I'm very wary about just what that final nail is going to be on illegal immigration/DACA and all the rest. My gut is telling me that Trump will likely hold on requiring the wall, how the rest shakes out is extremely worrisome (considering the band of total reprobates in Congress). Truth be told, I believe he will cave on DACA, as long as he gets the "big, beautiful wall." He's already stated numerous times he's going to "take care of" those people, whatever that means. And he's no doubt got Ivanka in his ear telling him he must accommodate them, for humanity's sake. I fear we're stuck with them, just as the Dems, Obama, CoC, and all the big gov't R's wanted all along. I don't know how I'll feel about PDT if DACA happens, but all signs in me point to being very unhappy. It truly is a dangerously pivotal moment for America.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at January 10, 2018 08:20 AM (mQ0Mc)

156 >>Maybe so, JackStraw. The first question PDT needs to determine the answer to is: Do the Dems give a crap about a DACA deal, purely as a stand-alone item?

>>I believe the answer is NO. DACA is simply low-hanging fruit to them, as a sop to their base (per your comment above) and a wedge to get much bigger amnesty and continued loose immigration enforcement concessions.

>>So, PDT needs his Manhattan Real Estate Baron/Master-Class insight and arm-twisting skills at full power on this immigration stuff, to find a path through the Uniparty bluffs and dodges and minefields.

But that's what yesterday was all about. The result of that meeting is that the negotiations now revolve around 4 issues as was stated by numerous people after the meeting.

1) DACA
2) End to chain migration
3) End to the visa lottery
4) The wall

Everything else was taken off the table so DACA is now a standalone item and if it comes in less than that I won't support it and I think Trump will pay a price.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 10, 2018 08:22 AM (/tuJf)

157 1) DACA
2) End to chain migration
3) End to the visa lottery
4) The wall

Everything else was taken off the table so DACA is now a standalone item and if it comes in less than that I won't support it and I think Trump will pay a price.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 10, 2018 08:22 AM (/tuJf)

If I understand the math (sorry!) the point may be that 3 out if 4 ain't bad?

Posted by: Mornin' Miklos at January 10, 2018 08:23 AM (zCyNd)

158 142 Don't worry JJ Mexico will pay for the wall
AND
then pay fully for the financial costs of taking care of those wetback kids after we deport their parents
Posted by: Yeah at January 10, 2018 08:18 AM (gUGPr)


Wetback is a racist term. Therefore... QED.

Say hi to George Soros.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 10, 2018 08:23 AM (mbhDw)

159 #142 looks a little bit like Troll Droppings (tm)

Anybody want to step up and claim a sock?

Posted by: The Other Fork at January 10, 2018 08:24 AM (EyPfd)

160 Say hi to George Soros.

Or, better yet, the Banhammer.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at January 10, 2018 08:25 AM (oVJmc)

161 Yeah that is one very stinky trool sock.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 10, 2018 08:25 AM (ApE1F)

162 Comically, I just received my IRS P.I.N that I have to use to file my taxes since someone illegally used my SS# a couple of years ago.

So yeah, this is essentially single-issue voter territory for me. F*ck you. Go home. Take your f*cking kids with you.

Then revisit anchor baby amendments to the Constitution. Or do that first. Either is preferable.

Posted by: Moron Robbie -Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football Forever at January 10, 2018 08:25 AM (ks6bw)

163 Be off me, you flatware sock.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 10, 2018 08:26 AM (EyPfd)

164 #142 looks a little bit like Troll Droppings (tm)

Anybody want to step up and claim a sock?
Posted by: The Other Fork



#142 is Hector.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 10, 2018 08:26 AM (uh5kC)

165 81 The law providing for a border wall and/or equivalent has been on the books for 25 years. Funding has been the question, which nobody has ever really pushed for. Trump does not need any new legislation for border security, he does need to pry some money out of a very opposed Congress.
Posted by: Miklos, if he remembers correctly at January 10, 2018 07:59 AM (zCyNd)

The Secure Fence Act, which President George W. Bush signed into law in 2006 with the support of many Democratic lawmakers, set aside money for fencing to cover one-third of the roughly 2,000-mile border between the U.S. and Mexico.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 10, 2018 08:26 AM (BtQd4)

166 Or, better yet, the Banhammer.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at January 10, 2018 08:25 AM (oVJmc)

*Quickly turns up Ride of the Banhammer Valkyries*

Posted by: Mornin' Miklos at January 10, 2018 08:26 AM (zCyNd)

167 Just call me GOPe-rah Winfrey. #ImWithHer.

Posted by: Bill Kristol at January 10, 2018 08:26 AM (/qEW2)

168 "And so, even as he rhetorically dances almost within a strawberry blonde pubic hair's width of the political third rail"


---

The HQ always has the best poetry.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at January 10, 2018 08:26 AM (KUaJL)

169 Anna Puma, thanks for pointing me to the Dave Stewart YouTube video about The Last Jedi. He is an interesting guy and I went ahead and downloaded and read one of his stories. It was pretty good.

Posted by: WOPR (now with chainsaw bayonets) at January 10, 2018 08:27 AM (J70i0)

170 That was a very disappointing ending for Strawberry Fields in that James Bond movie.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 10, 2018 08:27 AM (ApE1F)

171 159 #142 looks a little bit like Troll Droppings (tm)

Anybody want to step up and claim a sock?
Posted by: The Other Fork at January 10, 2018 08:24 AM (EyPfd)



It's Average Joe. The monosyllable is a tell.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 10, 2018 08:27 AM (mbhDw)

172 DACA is just ANOTHER Obama mess that has to be taken care of. Washington is so screwed up. It's a wonder that Trump can get anything done.

Posted by: Case at January 10, 2018 08:28 AM (ZgKFD)

173 Every poll ever done. Again, most normal people (not us) don't really get all this worked up about this issue and they see these people as almost innocent victims brought here by their parents blah, blah, blah.
__________________

The MSM (and the Hollywood cabal, with t.v. shows like "Law & Order" which always depicts illegal aliens as striving, noble, hard-working victims of an unjust system) have conditioned much of the population to see illegal aliens, especially the much-mythologized "Dreamer" class, as innocent people who only contribute good in America.

In fact, even the so-called "good" (i.e. non-violent criminal) illegal aliens are quite expensive to taxpayers. Studies have shown that immigrant families, both legal and illegal, have much higher rates of receiving welfare than native-born families. Over 50% of immigrant (legal and illegal) families receive at least one type of federal welfare, compared to 39% of native-born. And a recent study estimated that the cost to taxpayers of granting amnesty to the "Dreamers" would be somewhere north of $20 billion.

But facts like those are never, ever mentioned by the poll-takers when they ask people if they favor granting amnesty to innocent children who were brought to the U.S., through no fault of their own, as minors, and who know no other country but the U.S. as their own.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at January 10, 2018 08:28 AM (fqUgw)

174 >>If I understand the math (sorry!) the point may be that 3 out if 4 ain't bad?

Not for me.

And I strongly disagree that Dems don't want DACA. Look at the memo that leaked out of CAP yesterday.

And Dems have been promising DACA to their base for as long as Reps have been promising us real immigration enforcement. Hell, they have made it emotional battle cry. Their base isn't immune to failure anymore than ours is, at some point they have to deliver.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 10, 2018 08:28 AM (/tuJf)

175 The Secure Fence Act, which President George W. Bush signed into law in 2006 with the support of many Democratic lawmakers, set aside money for fencing to cover one-third of the roughly 2,000-mile border between the U.S. and Mexico.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 10, 2018 08:26 AM (BtQd4)

Thanks for the correction/info. As they say, it's a start. There are also provisions for both in and out checks of visa holders, if I recall. But unimplemented.

Posted by: Mornin' Miklos at January 10, 2018 08:28 AM (zCyNd)

176 And the courts will grant them immediate citizenship and voting rights no matter what.

Posted by: Hikaru at January 10, 2018 08:14 AM (WDCYi) >>>>


Ding-ding-ding!!!

We have a winner!

The Dems are counting on SCOTUS to ultimately rule that the naturalization power given to Congress in Section I can be trumped (no pun intended) by the 13th, 14th, etc, Amendments. Setting-up a "pathway to citizenship" arrangement (as in the Gang of 8 Senate bill) suits the Dems fine, because they expect the courts will rule that "a pay a fine now, maybe get to vote later" scheme violates the civil rights of those 11 million squatters. The Dems expect the courts will rule that being given the right to stay here means you get to vote NOW.

Posted by: Gref at January 10, 2018 08:29 AM (AMIL/)

177 Anna, I'm glad you liked the story. Your opinion means a lot to me.

And now I've got work to do, so BBL.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 10, 2018 08:29 AM (kqsXK)

178 Good morning Horde. How is civilization, America and mankind in general coming to a horrible end today?

Posted by: grammie winger - for such a time as this at January 10, 2018 08:30 AM (lwiT4)

179 What we need is Common Sense Border Control.

Even if it saves one child's life.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 10, 2018 08:30 AM (EyPfd)

180 162 Comically, I just received my IRS P.I.N that I have to use to file my taxes since someone illegally used my SS# a couple of years ago.

So yeah, this is essentially single-issue voter territory for me. F*ck you. Go home. Take your f*cking kids with you.

Then revisit anchor baby amendments to the Constitution. Or do that first. Either is preferable.
Posted by: Moron Robbie -Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football Forever at January 10, 2018 08:25 AM (ks6bw)

Have a friend that had his SSN hijack about 10 or 12 years ago. Now has to make quarterly payments with cashier check drawn on banks where he does not have accounts. If he gets refund he has to open new account a new bank deposit check, wait for clearance, get money close account.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 10, 2018 08:30 AM (BtQd4)

181 WOPR, glad you liked the story. Don;t even know who the guy really is. But yeah his take on The Last Yeti is really interesting. Which story did you like?

Here is another guy named Dave Stewart in a Tom Petty video. He's the guy atop the giant mushroom.
https://youtu.be/h0JvF9vpqx8

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 10, 2018 08:30 AM (ApE1F)

182 #142 is Hector.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 10, 2018 08:26 AM (uh5kC)


Impossible for Hector not to use the word 'nativist'.

Posted by: Nobel Prize Committee at January 10, 2018 08:31 AM (2FqvZ)

183 If I understand the math (sorry!) the point may be that 3 out if 4 ain't bad?
Posted by: Mornin' Miklos at January 10, 2018 08:23 AM (zCyNd)

5. End birthright citizenship

I would make it 4 out of 5 and find it acceptable. The caveat would be, our four issues get done first and pass all legal challenges. Then you get your issue.

Posted by: WOPR (now with chainsaw bayonets) at January 10, 2018 08:31 AM (J70i0)

184 Earmarks -- Hopefully, a leaden trial balloon.

The give-in to R resistance on offshore drilling in FL -- Regrettable, but perhaps a political necessity.

Immigration stuff -- Still not ready to don a hairshirt. He's always indicated that he's sympathetic to the DREAMERs, but insistent on the other stuff first. Recall he met with Ryan and McTurtle at Camp David around the 1st of the year to lay out this year's priorities.

And to answer the question from the ONT about the Zuma sooper secret satellite, from zh:

The highly classified Zuma satellite launched by SpaceX this weekend ended up plummeting into the Indian Ocean, a U.S. official confirmed to ABC News.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 10, 2018 08:31 AM (0ogQG)

185 Typing this on my wee little phone screen because my work IP has been unconstitutionally banned. Sad!
I swear J.J. Seton is inside my head. Nicely done.

Posted by: Weasel at January 10, 2018 08:31 AM (8aWIY)

186 DACA is only five years old. Anyone who came in under DACA is not a college valedictorian war hero.

The 'Dreamers' have always been a canard, a fake issue designed to muddle the immigration problem in false distinctions.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at January 10, 2018 08:31 AM (oVJmc)

187 185 Typing this on my wee little phone screen because my work IP has been unconstitutionally banned. Sad!
I swear J.J. Seton is inside my head. Nicely done.
Posted by: Weasel at January 10, 2018 08:31 AM (8aWIY)


No relation to Elizabeth Ann.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 10, 2018 08:32 AM (mbhDw)

188 Hi #142 Hector. How's the fam?

Posted by: grammie winger - for such a time as this at January 10, 2018 08:32 AM (lwiT4)

189 The Secure Fence Act, which President George W. Bush signed into law in 2006 with the support of many Democratic lawmakers, set aside money for fencing to cover one-third of the roughly 2,000-mile border between the U.S. and Mexico.
_____________________

They only "supported" it because they knew it was never going to happen.

The Democrats have to pander to their voters in middle America who want border security. This was their version of "failure theater." It's just play-acting for the rubes.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at January 10, 2018 08:32 AM (fqUgw)

190
The highly classified Zuma satellite launched by SpaceX this weekend ended up plummeting into the Indian Ocean, a U.S. official confirmed to ABC News.
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 10, 2018 08:31 AM (0ogQG)
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We bombed the Indian Ocean?

Posted by: Weasel at January 10, 2018 08:32 AM (8aWIY)

191 I believe the answer is NO. DACA is simply low-hanging fruit to them, as a sop to their base (per your comment above) and a wedge to get much bigger amnesty and continued loose immigration enforcement concessions.

So, PDT needs his Manhattan Real Estate Baron/Master-Class insight and arm-twisting skills at full power on this immigration stuff, to find a path through the Uniparty bluffs and dodges and minefields.

--

I agree completely, gref. I don't want DACA. But...it's likely going to happen, by law or by the circus courts. It's the rest that's the big enchilada. The Ds know the importance of this flood of illegals. It's not just DACA. Everybody with a brain knows that. It's only an opening salvo to the total restructuring of the electorate.

Trump faces the bluffs and headfakes from both sides. I hope and pray he's aware.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at January 10, 2018 08:33 AM (mQ0Mc)

192 Estimates are that walling the border would cost $15-25B. Has a call for tenders been issued for mining said border? Just curious.

Posted by: Zod at January 10, 2018 08:33 AM (Bdeb0)

193 #142 looks a little bit like Troll Droppings (tm)

Anybody want to step up and claim a sock?

Doesn't work for me

Posted by: George Soros at January 10, 2018 08:33 AM (yI7Ws)

194 "it's an Obama executive order, and a completely illegal one, that was rescinded by an executive order. The Judiciary has not standing/authority to interfere here. This really is a major constitutional crisis. Posted by: J.J. Sefton

yeah, it seems these judges have granted foreigners powers even higher than citizens have, even those that are not even in the country. If they have a distant relative here, some judge declares they have a right to be here, with free health care.

I'm not sure constitutional crisis is the term, since it is just a blatant overthrow of our laws. They must be impeached, or imprisoned if they are doing it for money, or for sedition.

Posted by: illiniwek at January 10, 2018 08:33 AM (otAqJ)

195
I protect my SS# like my life depends on it. You really need it? Fvck you, you're not getting it.

Recently had an eye Dr who wanted it. He got 'N/A'.

I trust him. His employees who can see the number and jot it down? No way.

Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at January 10, 2018 08:33 AM (2FqvZ)

196 Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 10, 2018 08:30 AM (ApE1F)

Prophet of the Godseed

Posted by: WOPR (now with chainsaw bayonets) at January 10, 2018 08:33 AM (J70i0)

197 Plus it was free.

Posted by: WOPR (now with chainsaw bayonets) at January 10, 2018 08:34 AM (J70i0)

198 Is ending birthright citizenship even being discussed by anyone in DC? I hear chain migration & visa lottery, but I don't think anyone is talking about that.

Posted by: josephistan at January 10, 2018 08:34 AM (7HtZB)

199 DACA is only five years old. Anyone who came in under DACA is not a college valedictorian war hero.

====================


Only have half a cup in me as yet, but doesn't military service make a foreigner automatically eligible for citizenship?

Posted by: grammie winger - for such a time as this at January 10, 2018 08:34 AM (lwiT4)

200 Sorry, the president needs to call BS on that 9th Circus order. They overstepped their authority on that one. A federal judge does not have the power to override the president on anything he wishes. If that were the case, then the Judge and Xavier Bcerra could usurp presidential authority. Bcerra files suit to challenge Trump getting 2 scoops of ice cream, the judge issues an injunction. Trump appoints joe blow to be ambassador, Bcerra files suit, Judge issues injunction. There is a limit. They can not force Trump to reinstate an executive order that in itself went against duly enacted legislation.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 10, 2018 08:34 AM (wdmm9)

201 5. End birthright citizenship

I would make it 4 out of 5 and find it acceptable. The caveat would be, our four issues get done first and pass all legal challenges. Then you get your issue.

Posted by: WOPR (now with chainsaw bayonets) at January 10, 2018 08:31 AM (J70i0)

This is the hardest one. The Supremes have never squarely ruled on a case relevant to current situations, but rely on an expansive reading of the 14th Amendment. "Subject to the jurisdiction thereof" is the loophole phrase.

Posted by: Mornin' Miklos at January 10, 2018 08:35 AM (zCyNd)

202 >>Again, most normal people (not us) don't really get all this worked up
about this issue and they see these people as almost innocent victims
brought here by their parents blah, blah, blah.



Also noticed that Trump isn't highlighting DACA failures as he has other immigration failures. With the last 2 NYC terror attacks, he has been quick to point out (and continue to hammer) that these are the result of chain migration and visa lottery. Very clearly using this to connect the dots between terrorism and those two immigration issues. To my recollection, he has not the same with any DACA criminals.

Side note: MSM and people on the Hill also let DACA activists get away with breaking into/occupying Schumer's and McConnell's offices (separate incidents) over the holidays, even though Schumer had the police remove them, and IIRC, they trashed McConnell's office. Lotta protection of the DACA "kids" happening.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 10, 2018 08:35 AM (W+vEI)

203 154 rhennigantx

Read the Damore suit against Google where Google employees exchange messages discussing how to cure a conservative employee of their "wrong think"
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 10, 2018 08:20 AM (ApE1F)

ya mean like this???
Page 27, Footnote 3: For instance, an employee who sexually identifies as a yellow-scaled wingless dragonkin and an expansive ornate building presented a talk entitled Living as a Plural Being at an internal company event.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 10, 2018 08:36 AM (BtQd4)

204
No relation to Elizabeth Ann.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 10, 2018 08:32 AM (mbhDw)
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Gah!!!! seFton!!!!! Sorry!

Posted by: Weasel at January 10, 2018 08:36 AM (8aWIY)

205 190 We bombed the Indian Ocean?

Posted by: Weasel


That IS one way of looking at it.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 10, 2018 08:37 AM (0ogQG)

206 Only have half a cup in me as yet, but doesn't military service make a foreigner automatically eligible for citizenship?

Posted by: grammie winger - for such a time as this at January 10, 2018 08:34 AM (lwiT4)


Yes, however, the press is treating the Dreamers as war heroes. Being here illegally and going to college now make you a brave hero.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 10, 2018 08:37 AM (wdmm9)

207 5. End birthright citizenship

I would make it 4 out of 5 and find it acceptable. The caveat would be, our four issues get done first and pass all legal challenges. Then you get your issue.
Posted by: WOPR



Get a con law lawyer and a legit, honest court and that goes away immediately.

No one should be able to profit from another's illegal act.
It's not that way in any other area of the law.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 10, 2018 08:37 AM (uh5kC)

208 The V4 countries, Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, and Slovakia, seem to be Europe's best hope. Now that Austria seems to be moving in their direction, it's giving me political fantasies of a renewed Austro-Hungarian empire with the Hapsburg's back on the throne. Maybe they could anshcluss the salvageable parts of Germany.

Posted by: Hotspur at January 10, 2018 08:38 AM (mynhJ)

209 Only have half a cup in me as yet, but doesn't military service make a foreigner automatically eligible for citizenship?

Posted by: grammie winger - for such a time as this at January 10, 2018 08:34 AM (lwiT4)

No. This is a bit strange. There has never been a requirement that anyone be a US citizen to join the military. Current recruiting rules effectively require that one must be a citizen or permanent resident. Time in service does count toward the 5 year naturalization period, even if spent on duty outside of the US.

Posted by: Mornin' Miklos at January 10, 2018 08:39 AM (zCyNd)

210 1) DACA
2) End to chain migration
3) End to the visa lottery
4) The wall


On the other hand, if those 4 end up all being addressed together, that's a deal I could support.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 10, 2018 08:39 AM (V2Yro)

211 Did I read it right? It wasn't the 9th Circuit but a rogue district court judge within the 9th Circuit.

It'll get smacked down quickly -- if not by the 9th then by SCOTUS, as the article implies.

This points more to judicial anarchy than to judicial overreach.

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 10, 2018 08:40 AM (pV/54)

212 Have a friend that had his SSN hijack about 10 or 12
years ago. Now has to make quarterly payments with cashier check drawn
on banks where he does not have accounts. If he gets refund he has to
open new account a new bank deposit check, wait for clearance, get money
close account.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 10, 2018 08:30 AM (BtQd4)


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This is the key.

I'm sure the estimates of "dreamers" costing $20B only takes into account the easy stuff. The welfare, the $10K/year school costs, etc.

If you calculate the cradle-to-grave BS that factors in my time and money as lost productivity, the IRS having to devote manpower and resources to account for the fraud and send out mailings to allow me to file my taxes, etc., I'd be surprised if "dreamers" alone don't cost us $100B each year.

Add in the plain ol' non-dreaming illegals and how they touch everything from car insurance to the courts to reducing job availability leading to welfare among citizens and it's probably $500B-$1T every year.

Posted by: Moron Robbie -Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football Forever at January 10, 2018 08:40 AM (ks6bw)

213 #134 That idiot Dana Perino felt compelled to correct him.


It was Kimberly Guilfoyle that corrected him.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 10, 2018 08:40 AM (ul9CR)

214 g'mornin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at January 10, 2018 08:42 AM (ZQfW9)

215 You're not going to change so-called "birthright citizenship" with anything less than a constitutional amendment. So either push for that, or accept that talking about it is just pissing in the wind that's blowing back at you.

Wong Kim Ark has been accepted as precedent for the last 120 years. Activists complain and try to explain that it really didn't cover this or that - doesn't matter. Every court in the US accepts it, and the SCOTUS will never overrule it on their own, no matter who Trump appoints. So, either plan on overturning it with a Constitutional Amendment, or quit whining about it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 10, 2018 08:42 AM (V2Yro)

216 Morning all.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at January 10, 2018 08:43 AM (PcOiY)

217 It was Kimberly Guilfoyle that corrected him.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat?

I'll be in my bunk

Posted by: Rick in SK at January 10, 2018 08:43 AM (FZYNt)

218 i think the televised negotiation at the white house was trump's answer to the wolff book and questions of his mental competence. there trump was, moderate and moderating the debate in a knowledgable and competent manner.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at January 10, 2018 08:44 AM (Pg+x7)

219 I protect my SS# like my life depends on it.

I was just on the SSA website yesterday trying to get a replacement SS ID Card. The website said that I should not have to show my SS ID card to anyone, because all I need is the number. Tell them the number, and they can verify it on the computer.

On the other hand, at another government office, they tell me I have to 'show' them my SSN; something written that has my name and SSN on it.

And, by the way, I have to prove that I have actually been living in the United States and they have a list of approved documents that they will accept as evidence that I do, in fact, live here. Also, something that proves my identity.

I'm starting to get over my panic, but this is a classic catch 22 clusterfuck.

Sad, really, that you live here all your life and you have to prove it to the government while illegal aliens jump the border and get special treatment, including driver's licenses and voter registration (driver's license is sufficient proof of identity to allow you to vote, irrespective of citizenship.)

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at January 10, 2018 08:44 AM (GroCc)

220 ... i haven't seen anyone describe it as a trump p.r. move. btw, it worked. there's no longer any discussion of his sanity.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at January 10, 2018 08:45 AM (Pg+x7)

221 Congress can end birthright citizenship, and SCOTUS can uphold it.

The only binding SCOTUS precedent is about someone born of a mom who was here legally.

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 10, 2018 08:45 AM (pV/54)

222 I hate stories like the Ajit Pai one. These people ought to be punished more severely than otherwise, not because government officials are somehow worth more than average citizens, but because intimidation like this is also an attack on our right to choose our own laws. So yes, these people deserve a beatdown followed by a long stretch in prison. People who want to volunteer for the unofficial Democrat army need to realize they will be treated as a hostile army.

There are so many Obama appointees that deserved to be harassed, threatened and intimidated for what they have done. Have any been? I doubt it, or it would have been broadcast from the rooftops.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at January 10, 2018 08:45 AM (/qEW2)

223 Basically, the revised negotiations showed the beginnings of how the sausage is made.

As well as Trump clearly showing that it's the responsibility of the Legislative Branch to...well..write legislation.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 10, 2018 08:45 AM (EyPfd)

224 Sad, really, that you live here all your life and you have to prove it to the government while illegal aliens jump the border and get special treatment, including driver's licenses and voter registration (driver's license is sufficient proof of identity to allow you to vote, irrespective of citizenship.)
Posted by: Skandia Recluse


Now you see why some of us are tired of the bullshit and have less than zero sympathy when it comes to illegals.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 10, 2018 08:46 AM (uh5kC)

225 Book about eviction and poverty Gates and B Hussein like:
https://tinyurl.com/yajges4c
Milwaukee is the 4th worst Housing Affordability Gaps cause by politburo central planning.

Progressivism 101: Pick one of the worst failures of your central planning, claim shock and dismay at market responses, add more central planning.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 10, 2018 08:47 AM (BtQd4)

226 Also noticed that Trump isn't highlighting DACA failures as he has other immigration failures.
___________________

There's plenty to work with there. Several of the "Dreamers" have been revealed to be MS-13 gang members, some have been arrested for rape and other violent crimes, at least one (in CA) for murder, and dozens of them have been participating in riots and other violence at various congress-persons' offices.

Then there are the 100+ DACA recipients who were discovered to have illegally registered to vote in North Carolina (after the state did an audit of its voter rolls).

And of course, we also have the admission from Obama's DHS (thanks to Judicial Watch's FOIA requests) that they never actually performed the "rigorous background checks" that Obama promised Americans would happen before anybody received DACA amnesty. DHS just rubber-stamped the applications approved, and so we don't know how many thousands of these DACA recipients were actually ineligible because they lied about their age, lied about how long they had been in the U.S., lied about their criminal background, etc.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at January 10, 2018 08:48 AM (fqUgw)

227 It's too bad the Very Stable Genius framers of the Constitution included language for neither CalExit nor
abolition of the 9th Circuit Court:

Article III - Section 1
The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services, a Compensation, which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office.

Posted by: Marooned at January 10, 2018 08:48 AM (8hRlF)

228
It'll get smacked down quickly -- if not by the 9th then by SCOTUS, as the article implies.


Sure, but it's a delay tactic, and they all know it. It'll allow them to keep the door open as long as possible, even though they know its unjustifiable.

A court should not be able to make bad decisions as a political scheme.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at January 10, 2018 08:48 AM (oVJmc)

229 Posted by: Skandia Recluse at January 10, 2018 08:44 AM (GroCc)

I had to show a birth certificate to get a replacement card.

Posted by: BignJames at January 10, 2018 08:48 AM (0+nbW)

230 "On the other hand, at another government office, they tell me I have to 'show' them my SSN; something written that has my name and SSN on it. "

I know that when I was a Navy Recruiter, we had to lay eyes on the actual SSN Card issued to the applicant. We then attested to the fact that we saw and verified it, and returned the card immediately to the applicant.

When Little VIA enlisted last year, this process was basically unchanged,

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 10, 2018 08:48 AM (EyPfd)

231 "This is the hardest one. The Supremes have never squarely ruled on a case relevant to current situations, but rely on an expansive reading of the 14th Amendment. "Subject to the jurisdiction thereof" is the loophole phrase."

Here is the legal disagreement, right here: Those opposing the policy say the Supremes have never squarely ruled on a case that is relevant. The Supremes and the rest of the US Court System hold that they DID rule on this, in Wong Kim Ark, 1898, and that case is precedent for all future policies.

Opponents say Wong Kim Ark only applied to children of legal alien residents. The US Court system says "no, it applied to ALL children of non-citizens born on US Soil."

Opponents say "The US Supreme Court needs to make a clear ruling on this." The Supremes say "No we don't, which is why we've refused to hear a case on this topic for 120 years and counting."

Default goes to the status quo, unless opponents override this with a Constitutional Amendment.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 10, 2018 08:49 AM (V2Yro)

232 223: village idiot:

and yes, it also put the onus for a bill where it belongs, in the legislative branch, at no cost to trump politically.

it's a rather deft twofer by trump.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at January 10, 2018 08:49 AM (Pg+x7)

233 I was just on the SSA website yesterday trying to get a replacement SS ID Card. The website said that I should not have to show my SS ID card to anyone, because all I need is the number. Tell them the number, and they can verify it on the computer.



It always floors me when an agency asks to see the original SS card, unlminated. As if it is a totally un- forgable piece of paper. Mine is from ca 1975, typed numbers. I could photoshop a replacement, and nobody could tell the difference.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 10, 2018 08:50 AM (wdmm9)

234 It's too bad the Very Stable Genius framers of the Constitution included language for neither CalExit nor
abolition of the 9th Circuit Court:

Article III - Section 1
The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish.



Attention Congress! Time to get off your asses and go to work!

Posted by: rickb223 at January 10, 2018 08:50 AM (uh5kC)

235 #MeToo backlash - flirting is not a crime. That was fast!

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y8ta2um2

Posted by: Lizzy at January 10, 2018 08:50 AM (W+vEI)

236 WOPR, will have to check that story out. Thanks.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at January 10, 2018 08:50 AM (ApE1F)

237
If I'm reaching into my own pocket to buy eyeglasses or contacts you don't need to know my SS#. Idiots.

Even if I was insured for eye care, I'd have an insurance ID card. Resist the temptation to 'go along'. Pretend you're a non-citizen, and they'll apologize for even asking.

Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at January 10, 2018 08:50 AM (2FqvZ)

238 btw, it worked"

Indeed it did. Drove the twatwaffle's book and other topics du jour off the front pages.

Oh, and morning, y'all! Still in an unusually chilly/cloudy mix in SE Texas...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 10, 2018 08:51 AM (7LY+6)

239 I watched a bit of "The Five" yesterday and heard Greg Gutfield refer to Sen. Feinstein as "Finesteen."

That idiot Dana Perino felt compelled to correct him.

+++++++++++

It was Kimberly Guilfoyle that corrected him.



******

I thought it was Gene Wilder.

Posted by: Muldoon at January 10, 2018 08:51 AM (wPiJc)

240 So, either plan on overturning it with a Constitutional Amendment, or quit whining about it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 10, 2018 08:42 AM (V2Yro)


Stop complaining about things?
Inconceivable!

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Sleep Tight with A Comey Shred-N-Burn from the Outrage Outlet! at January 10, 2018 08:51 AM (hLRSq)

241 >>There's plenty to work with there....

Yes - there's a lot, but I haven't seen Trump seizing this. He denounces MS-13 often enough, but has he ever connected it to DACA?

Posted by: Lizzy at January 10, 2018 08:53 AM (W+vEI)

242 'Stop complaining about things?
Inconceivable!'

No shit.

It's a birthright.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 10, 2018 08:53 AM (EyPfd)

243 It always floors me when an agency asks to see the original SS card, unlminated. As if it is a totally un- forgable piece of paper. Mine is from ca 1975, typed numbers. I could photoshop a replacement, and nobody could tell the difference.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy


I laminated mine. Circa '78.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 10, 2018 08:53 AM (uh5kC)

244 City of Boerne vs Flores, 1997 - SCOTUS ruled that Congress has NO power to define the scope of substantive rights under the 14th amendment, holding that power to be reserved to the SCOTUS alone.

This was a rather extreme but little noticed ruling, and yet it has never been challenged and stands as full Precedent today. One of the consequences of City of Boerne vs Flores is that Congress has NO power to do away with birthright citizenship under the 14th Amendment.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 10, 2018 08:54 AM (V2Yro)

245 Look, over the past year there were several instances where I was in freak out mode that the President was going to break campaign promises and go along with the swamp, only to be proven wrong.

I can barely remember what was the last thing all of us were TOTALLY FREAKED OUT about, and I think it was only, like, 48-hours ago. It's utterly exhausting, and so I've stopped doing it.

I know we're all waiting desperately, with bated breath, for PDJT to toss us all under the bus. And yet, his first year in office was perhaps the most (positively) consequential of any President since, well, perhaps ever. I think he's earned at least the appearance of some trust, for the time being.

And frankly I grow weary of the rhetoric of "immigration hawks" who have done little but beat their gums for the last, say, 25-years. Yes, I'm looking at Ann Coulter, Laura Ingraham, and many in the CONgressional "immigration" caucuses.

Trump has done more to advance the cause of the "border hawks" than any president in history and still they whine. Sorry, but I'm going to go against character and cut the man some IMHO well-deserved slack and tell the "immigration hawks" who have been all talk and zero action since forever to pound sand.

Posted by: DocJ at January 10, 2018 08:54 AM (7bkOX)

246 If I'm reaching into my own pocket to buy eyeglasses or contacts you don't need to know my SS#. Idiots.

Even if I was insured for eye care, I'd have an insurance ID card. Resist the temptation to 'go along'. Pretend you're a non-citizen, and they'll apologize for even asking.
Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises



Que?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 10, 2018 08:54 AM (uh5kC)

247

Man, I was en fuego this weekend! Ha Ha, sometimes I kill myself! No, wait, sometimes I kill you! LOL.

HUMA! Get these empty husks out of here, they're taking up space I need for new snacks! Send them to Bill, tell him they are still fresher than his bimbos! On a roll here!

And when is my new human flesh suit gonna be done? The prey isn't ready to see my beautiful grey mucus lizard-oid self yet! Hurry up! Harvest Lena again, she grows it faster than we can use it!

Posted by: Hitlery Cliton at January 10, 2018 08:54 AM (t3kPl)

248 220 ... i haven't seen anyone describe it as a trump p.r. move. btw, it worked. there's no longer any discussion of his sanity.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at January 10, 2018 08:45 AM (Pg+x7)

If he thinks his base will still support him if he caves on immigration, then his sanity is up for debate.

Posted by: josephistan at January 10, 2018 08:55 AM (7HtZB)

249 >>There's plenty to work with there. Several of the "Dreamers" have been revealed to be MS-13 gang members, some have been arrested for rape and other violent crimes, at least one (in CA) for murder, and dozens of them have been participating in riots and other violence at various congress-persons' offices.

The thing about DACA is that it isn't instant amnesty. People do have to apply for it and pass several criteria one of them being no illegal activity or gang affiliation. The people you are mentioning violate the terms of DACA and are considered illegal aliens and subject to deportation.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 10, 2018 08:55 AM (/tuJf)

250 >>>It was Kimberly Guilfoyle that corrected him.

Corrected like Caretaker Grady corrected?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Metastable Soopergeenyus at January 10, 2018 08:56 AM (EwAd4)

251 Sad, really, that you live here all your life and you have to prove it to the government while illegal aliens jump the border and get special treatment, including driver's licenses and voter registration (driver's license is sufficient proof of identity to allow you to vote, irrespective of citizenship.)
Posted by: Skandia Recluse


Obama came out and confirmed that. You have to be a citizen to vote, but nobody will check. Hell rightly or wrongly, Obama proved you don't have to be born here to be president, because nobody will check.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 10, 2018 08:57 AM (wdmm9)

252 244 City of Boerne vs Flores, 1997 - SCOTUS ruled that Congress has NO power to define the scope of substantive rights under the 14th amendment, holding that power to be reserved to the SCOTUS alone.

This was a rather extreme but little noticed ruling, and yet it has never been challenged and stands as full Precedent today. One of the consequences of City of Boerne vs Flores is that Congress has NO power to do away with birthright citizenship under the 14th Amendment.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 10, 2018 08:54 AM (V2Yro)


I may not be a legal expert but that strikes me as a usurpation of power by the Court. It interprets and rules on law - it does not enact or enforce law. At least that was the intention.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 10, 2018 08:57 AM (mbhDw)

253 "Mine is from ca 1975, typed numbers. I could photoshop a replacement, and nobody could tell the difference.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy "

Same here! I carried it in my wallet for years early on, and it turned into this grubby, dirty smeared little piece of paper with fading typing on it. Now I haven't seen it in years, hope it's in some forgotten file.

I never had an "original" birth certificate either, just a faded photocopy of a hospital admission form. When I finally found I needed one a few years back, I had to pay the state to issue one, so my "original" birth certificate wasn't created until I was in my mid-40's. Somehow I never needed one before that.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 10, 2018 08:57 AM (V2Yro)

254 Let's just put this all out there. These illegals, visa lottery winners, and muslim 'refugees' are future democrat voters. Not dreamers, nightmares. Not here to assimilate, here to conquer. Fight this now with words, or later by 'other' means, but fight it we will.

Posted by: Eromero at January 10, 2018 08:57 AM (zLDYs)

255 People do have to apply for it and pass several criteria one of them being no illegal activity or gang affiliation.
_________________

And what's the proof that they have not been gang-affiliated or involved in illegal activity? Their word for it on the application. No independent verification. In fact, DHS wasn't even verifying their identity.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at January 10, 2018 08:58 AM (fqUgw)

256 re: immigration-

It all depends on the definition of 'we'.

Posted by: Muldoon at January 10, 2018 08:58 AM (wPiJc)

257 Oh, the donks will get DACA, that's a given. What should be on the table is a verification process to 1) make sure "those kids" are, you know, really kids and 2) are actually part of the DACA program.

Posted by: Deplorable Redneck Bitter Clinger at January 10, 2018 08:58 AM (jAZR9)

258 "Resist the temptation to 'go along'."

Each and every time I go to my Military Medical Facility, upon check-in, they hand me a clipboard with a very invasive questionnaire on it, and firm instructions to complete it.

And like every other time for the last seven years, I immediately hand it back to them blank, and thank them for requesting that I voluntarily fill the form out. But as there is no required disclosure notice on the form, I am under no obligation to complete the form.

And like every other time for the last seven years, they quietly accept the clipboard back, and we go on about our business.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 10, 2018 08:59 AM (EyPfd)

259 254 Fight this now with words, or later by 'other' means, but fight it we will.
Posted by: Eromero at January 10, 2018 08:57 AM (zLDYs)

You assume that that will be the case, and not like say in Europe.

G-d help us.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 10, 2018 08:59 AM (mbhDw)

260 These illegals, visa lottery winners, and muslim 'refugees' are future democrat voters"

Bbbbut Yeb! says they're "natural conservatives"...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 10, 2018 08:59 AM (7LY+6)

261 Even the military has gotten away from using the SSN for ID and gone back to a DOD ID number.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 10, 2018 09:00 AM (wdmm9)

262 >>>>I was just on the SSA website yesterday trying to get a replacement SS
ID Card. The website said that I should not have to show my SS ID card
to anyone, because all I need is the number. Tell them the number, and
they can verify it on the computer.



On the other hand, at another government office, they tell me I have
to 'show' them my SSN; something written that has my name and SSN on
it.



And, by the way, I have to prove that I have actually been living in
the United States and they have a list of approved documents that they
will accept as evidence that I do, in fact, live here. Also, something
that proves my identity.



I'm starting to get over my panic, but this is a classic catch 22 clusterfuck.



Sad, really, that you live here all your life and you have to prove
it to the government while illegal aliens jump the border and get
special treatment, including driver's licenses and voter registration
(driver's license is sufficient proof of identity to allow you to vote,
irrespective of citizenship.)
.
.
.Not sure where they are coming up with that, but my last job which was some years ago required my *original* Social Security Card to comply with E-Verify.

Now they might have amended that since then, but it was a requirement just a few short years ago.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at January 10, 2018 09:00 AM (+Dllb)

263 210 1) DACA
2) End to chain migration
3) End to the visa lottery
4) The wall


On the other hand, if those 4 end up all being addressed together, that's a deal I could support.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 10, 2018 08:39 AM (V2Yro)
-----

Count on one those three things we want being sacrificed for a deal.

Posted by: WisRich at January 10, 2018 09:00 AM (G0vdT)

264 Even the military has gotten away from using the SSN for ID and gone back to a DOD ID number.

Do they offer forehead tattoos?

Posted by: 463-15-6781 at January 10, 2018 09:01 AM (oVJmc)

265 I listened to an interview of the Chaplain of the Senate yesterday, Pastor and Read Admiral Barry Black. Wow. I'm ordering his newest book. "
Nothing to Fear: Principles and Prayers to Help You Thrive in a Threatening World

Posted by: grammie winger - for such a time as this at January 10, 2018 09:02 AM (lwiT4)

266 We WILL betray you.

Posted by: The GOP at January 10, 2018 09:02 AM (r9UYA)

267 'and yes, it also put the onus for a bill where it belongs, in the legislative branch, at no cost to trump politically."

Trump and his people have been sticklers about following the procedures - see all of the immigration EO's - and for kicking things back to where they belong - such as DACA to Congress.

Kind of hard to get that impeachment thing rolling when he won't up and provide a good pretext.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Sleep Tight with A Comey Shred-N-Burn from the Outrage Outlet! at January 10, 2018 09:02 AM (hLRSq)

268 "I may not be a legal expert but that strikes me as a usurpation of power by the Court. It interprets and rules on law - it does not enact or enforce law. At least that was the intention."

I actually feel about it the same way - BUT - that ruling was accepted by both the President (Clinton) and the Congress at the time, and has NEVER been challenged. (just like Marbury vs Madison has never been challenged)

Therefore that ruling stands as "Good Law" in every court room in the US today. If Congress were to make any attempt to ban birthright citizenship, the "Conservative" legal decision would be to instantly toss that law out as Unconstitutional, because that would be in accordance with the unchallenged precedent from the SCOTUS on the matter.

The only practical way to overturn this is by Constitutional Amendment, unless someone thinks that they can talk the SCOTUS into overruling a previous decision that greatly expanded their own power. Me, I just don't see that happening.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 10, 2018 09:02 AM (V2Yro)

269 I took my Social Security ID card out of my wallet twenty years ago when I quit working, and I 'know' I put it in a file folder in the file cabinet, but damned if I can find it now, buried as it is beneath a ton of other scraps of paper that I've been hoarding for those twenty years.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at January 10, 2018 09:03 AM (GroCc)

270 I think Trump set the trap yesterday. I noticed while listening he would emphasize DACA, but then throw in "security" almost as an afterthought. DACA which is very to the point and "security" which is vague.

My guess is Trump's version of security will be something the Democrats can't stomach - and now that they've shown their cards, they will look like obstructionists and unserious when they don't agree with his "Security". He will use that to hit them over the head with a hammer through 2018.

Posted by: Reality Man at January 10, 2018 09:03 AM (/wpmd)

271 IF PDT had an Attorney General that was even remotely suited to Trumps mindset and peculiar needs , that AG would aggressively be taking the point on enforcing THE LAW re; The DACA lawbreakers'.

Trump, Trumps style and historical stature and his Republic-threatening , anti-American political and media opposition needed so much more than what Sessions can offer.

As in other areas, the absence of an aggressive, out front AG, hamstrings Trump....and this DACA thing is the one place where this weak AG thingy may lead to Trumps Waterloo.

Posted by: Redgrains at January 10, 2018 09:03 AM (WPxnj)

272 Congress has express authority over immigration matters. It can end birthright citizenship for children of illegals. I doubt it will, for lack of will, but it can.

The current court would likely uphold. On more Trump appointment and I'm nearly certain it would.

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 10, 2018 09:04 AM (pV/54)

273 Do they offer forehead tattoos?
Posted by: 463-15-6781 at January 10, 2018 09:01 AM (oVJmc)


No, but the place in the strip mall outside the back gate will do it for $20.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 10, 2018 09:04 AM (wdmm9)

274 I never had an "original" birth certificate either,
just a faded photocopy of a hospital admission form. When I finally
found I needed one a few years back, I had to pay the state to issue
one, so my "original" birth certificate wasn't created until I was in my
mid-40's. Somehow I never needed one before that.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 10, 2018 08:57 AM (V2Yro)
==========================

Really? I've had to show an original embossed copy of my BC on numerous occasions. Same with my kids. I keep a file of about 5 each just to have on hand when they might be needed. Last one was marriage license and passport.

Posted by: grammie winger - for such a time as this at January 10, 2018 09:04 AM (lwiT4)

275 I think Trump set the trap yesterday"

Indeed. Nth dimensional chess? Nah. No need.
However, President Trump knows politics, and is playing it at a level we haven't seen, well, in years.

I also note that many (including some here) were willing to claim that the MSM would somehow turn "off" the Presidential microphone, so to speak, but the reality is that they're good little yappers, tied to publicity, and he's the one holding the leash...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 10, 2018 09:06 AM (7LY+6)

276 "The current court would likely uphold. On more Trump appointment and I'm nearly certain it would."

Boy is that wishful thinking. Anthony Kennedy was the author of the opinion that said that Congress has no power to do such a thing.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 10, 2018 09:07 AM (V2Yro)

277 >>>>
I never had an "original" birth certificate either,

just a faded photocopy of a hospital admission form. When I finally

found I needed one a few years back, I had to pay the state to issue

one, so my "original" birth certificate wasn't created until I was in my

mid-40's. Somehow I never needed one before that.



Posted by: Tom Servo at January 10, 2018 08:57 AM (V2Yro)
==========================

Really?
I've had to show an original embossed copy of my BC on numerous
occasions. Same with my kids. I keep a file of about 5 each just to have
on hand when they might be needed. Last one was marriage license and
passport.
.
.
.Same here. We keep a couple of original embossed birth certificates for me, the wife and son on hand.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at January 10, 2018 09:07 AM (+Dllb)

278 And what's the proof that they have not been gang-affiliated or involved in illegal activity? Their word for it on the application. No independent verification. In fact, DHS wasn't even verifying their identity.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at January 10, 2018 08:58 AM (fqUgw)


An MS-13 neck tattoo would give it away.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 10, 2018 09:07 AM (wdmm9)

279
Hungary understands full well what unchecked migration can do to a country.

Hungarians just hate everyone who's not Magyar.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 10, 2018 09:07 AM (BWL+E)

280 ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ - Jeff "Darth Sleepy" Sessions

---------------------

I had to put that in here - it's been at least 10 minutes since that joke has been made.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Sleep Tight with A Comey Shred-N-Burn from the Outrage Outlet! at January 10, 2018 09:08 AM (hLRSq)

281 Any truth to the rumor that Vic's SSN is 6 ?

Posted by: Muldoon at January 10, 2018 09:08 AM (wPiJc)

282 I think I even had to show a birth certificate when my son joined Little League and PeeWee football.

Posted by: grammie winger - for such a time as this at January 10, 2018 09:09 AM (lwiT4)

283 Although, I don't assume anything anymore, JJ, you are probably right about Europe. But hell, it did take them 71 years to surrender to their next invasion. We surrendered in only seven years (burak ubama).

Posted by: Eromero at January 10, 2018 09:10 AM (zLDYs)

284 no illegal activity or gang affiliation. The people you are mentioning
violate the terms of DACA and are considered illegal aliens and subject
to deportation.

---

I think we'll get some form of amnesty here, but the problem for me is the idea that the statute of limitations resets every morning when the sun rises.

If I committed fraud five years ago (or last week), I'm a criminal. If the "dreamers" parents or friends are here illegally and working, they're committing fraud and the DACAs are felons for assisting them

Posted by: Moron Robbie -Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football Forever at January 10, 2018 09:10 AM (ks6bw)

285 Did not Cruz offer B Hussein full Repub support for DACA but with 20 years of good behavior, taxes, etc before citizenship?

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 10, 2018 09:10 AM (BtQd4)

286 >>My guess is Trump's version of security will be something the Democrats
can't stomach - and now that they've shown their cards, they will look
like obstructionists and unserious when they don't agree with his
"Security".



Trump has been linking the wall, end of chain migration and end of visa lottery to security for months. Immigrant terrorists and criminals (like MS-13 and Kate Steinle's killer) must be stopped from entering the US.

On the other hand, people in Congress seem to be using "security" as a wiggle word in place of the wall - as in "we all want to tighten border security!" (not "build the wall).

Will be interesting to see whose definition of "security" wins.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 10, 2018 09:11 AM (W+vEI)

287 Any truth to the rumor that Vic's SSN is 6 ?

Yeah, but it's spelled 'VI'.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at January 10, 2018 09:11 AM (oVJmc)

288 My wife had to take one of the fosterbabies in to the vital statistics office to prove he is alive as part of the birth certificate issuance process. He was born outside of a hospital, thus complicating things. I told my wife to show them the other baby because, really how can they tell the difference?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 10, 2018 09:11 AM (wdmm9)

289 I never had an "original" birth certificate either, just a faded photocopy of a hospital admission form. When I finally found I needed one a few years back, I had to pay the state to issue one, so my "original" birth certificate wasn't created until I was in my mid-40's. Somehow I never needed one before that.

---

I have a birth certificate issued by the county clerk in the county where I was born, typed on a manual typewriter. Issued in 1970; I carried it in my wallet for thirty years. It has a typographical error on it; my last name is misspelled, and there is a 'strike through' which is an alteration, and it says right on the form, any alterations void the form. Since that certificate is (now) easily forged, it no longer is accepted under the regulations implementing the Real ID Act of 2005.

I'm trying to get a new one. All of this is because my state is going to be in 'compliance' with the Real ID act by 2020. I learned this when I tried to renew my driver's license. I'm on a temporary that expires in three days and the new one isn't here yet.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at January 10, 2018 09:11 AM (GroCc)

290 You read Jefferson's criticism of Marbury vs Madison, you'd think he were alive today, observing what is going on. Smart guy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marbury_v._Madison#Subsequent_developments

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at January 10, 2018 09:12 AM (/qEW2)

291 "Really? I've had to show an original embossed copy of my BC on numerous occasions."

Grammie, you'll like this - my "original original", of which my parents only had an out of focus photocopy, was from a hospital in Burlington, Wis, which went out of business in 1967 and apparently sent all of their records to the town dump. But it was surprisingly easy to get a new one from the State, even though I hadn't lived there in 4 decades.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 10, 2018 09:13 AM (V2Yro)

292 >>And what's the proof that they have not been gang-affiliated or involved in illegal activity? Their word for it on the application. No independent verification. In fact, DHS wasn't even verifying their identity.

I think "wasn't" is the key word in your statement. Obama isn't in office anymore and the idea that the Trump administration, from Sleepy Jeff to ICE to DHS, isn't actively pursuing a significantly different illegal immigrant enforcement policy than Obama is just not supported by facts.

I seem to remember a lot of whining around here not to long ago that Sessions was wasting his time deporting MS-13 gang members instead of doing "what I want this very second" for example and the crack down on Sanctuary Cities and actual border enforcement, and end to catch and release and on and on and on. Illegal border crossing have plummeted under Trump and so has enforcement and it isn't happening just because Trump is talking tough.

We didn't just elect Trump, we elected a significantly different Executive Branch than we had under Obama.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 10, 2018 09:13 AM (/tuJf)

293 Nice essay.

Does President Trump lurk here?

Maybe you should send it to the WH in case it doesn't.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 10, 2018 09:13 AM (8+Ozj)

294 If Dreamers are such wonderful people are not we raping their countries by (illegally) importing their wonderful works, wizdom, and nature? Kind of like the Dutch raped Africa of their best people.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 10, 2018 09:14 AM (BtQd4)

295 257 Oh, the donks will get DACA, that's a given. What should be on the table is a verification process to 1) make sure "those kids" are, you know, really kids and 2) are actually part of the DACA program.
_________________

And how would we verify their ages? All of these people were born in foreign countries, and these foreign countries have a strong financial interest in keeping them here. How do you verify a Mexican or Guatemalan or Honduran birth certificate? You ask the Mexican or Guatemalan or Honduran governments if the certificate is legit. And they will tell you "of course it is." Hell, they'll probably start printing them up for their ex-pats in the U.S. who need them. "Just fill in whatever date you need, amigo! We're happy to help you dupe the stupid gringos!"

The 1986 amnesty that Reagan signed was rife with fraud. The government estimated that as many as 1/3 or more of the amnesty recipients were not actually qualified for amnesty under the law, but they received amnesty anyway, because the government couldn't do anything (according to the government) about the rampant document fraud in the application process.

Do you really think a modern-day amnesty program will be any different? If anything, it will be far, far worse. There were very few people in the U.S. in 1986 who had easy and cheap access to PC's, printers, scanners, PhotoShop, etc. Today, pretty much everybody does, including millions of illegal aliens.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at January 10, 2018 09:14 AM (fqUgw)

296 Any truth to the rumor that Vic's SSN is 6 ?"

Nah. That's the replacement.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 10, 2018 09:14 AM (7LY+6)

297 Yeah, but it's spelled 'VI'.

Oh, that must be his newer replacement card.

His first one was a rock with a pictograph of six fingers.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 10, 2018 09:14 AM (EyPfd)

298 So, offer all "children" under 26 amnesty, as long as you are in college as of a certain date and close the offer to new arrivals as of the date of the legislation. New arrivals keep coming in illegally because they know their amnesty will come in 20 years.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 10, 2018 09:14 AM (wdmm9)

299 How was I to know that "void where prohibited" didn't mean I could pee on the steps of City Hall?

Posted by: Muldoon at January 10, 2018 09:15 AM (wPiJc)

300 Economy is heating up. That's good. Thank you, Mr. President.

Deficit is growing, and thus the debt is too. Shame on you, Mr. President.

If the economy heats up enough, the slack will disappear and we will see inflation. Once everyone who is looking for work can readily find work - and removing illegals will make that easier - then wages will be bid up.

How do you lower inflation? Tighten up on money but increasing the cost of borrowing. However, who is the biggest borrower in the USA? Right: the USA Government.

A prime rate of even 3% will be a disaster.

How else can you lower inflation? Oh, right, open the border. Flood the market with low-cost labor.

If Trump doesn't get the deficit under control, he is undermining himself. In the past there was enough elasticity available so that he could kick the can down the road. Elevate interest rates and tough it out. Now, given the debt?

No way.

We are like a house-poor couple who have a variable rate mortgage. It won't take many increases in the rate to bankrupt us.

Unlike the couple, however... the USA can just print money, right?

Yeah, that always works.

Trump is betting that the increases in employment and income will generate enough tax levy to lower the deficit. He is also betting on a quiet reduction in government payroll, which is going on. Is it enough?

He'd better win that bet.

Trump didn't make the mess, but he owns it now. Imports, including illegal labor, might be the safety valve he'll need, unfortunately.

Posted by: RobM1981 at January 10, 2018 09:15 AM (i7PoZ)

301 HeH

Great minds...and shit.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 10, 2018 09:15 AM (EyPfd)

302 Since we're on the subject of birth certificates, I have an odd situation. My "original" (probably a later) is old and faded and I need a replacement. Thing is, I was born in DC in '71...and I'm not quite sure who I would contact for a replacement. Any ideas?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at January 10, 2018 09:16 AM (AM1GF)

303 His first one was a rock with a pictograph of six fingers."

He had a rock?

*sigh*

Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 10, 2018 09:16 AM (7LY+6)

304 Visitors to WeaselAcres will be required to produce 16 forms of identification and also pay a toll.

Posted by: Weasel at January 10, 2018 09:16 AM (8aWIY)

305 was from a hospital in Burlington, Wis, which went out of business in
1967 and apparently sent all of their records to the town dump.
=============================


Oh - Burlington. Well there's yer trouble.

Posted by: grammie winger - for such a time as this at January 10, 2018 09:16 AM (lwiT4)

306 Does President Trump lurk here?



No way Trump is a moron. If he was there would be Valu-rite at cabinet meetings and they would devolve into discussions of guns and poop within 15 minutes. Well, maybe they do. I have never been to a cabinet meeting.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 10, 2018 09:17 AM (wdmm9)

307 Oh, the donks will get DACA, that's a given. What should be on the table is a verification process to 1) make sure "those kids" are, you know, really kids and 2) are actually part of the DACA program.
_________________

And how would we verify their ages?



Start by cutting them in half and counting the rings.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 10, 2018 09:17 AM (uh5kC)

308 James O'Keefe Warns Breaking Report Coming "Tomorrow" in Cryptic Tweet -GP

And on that bombshell, have a great day.

Posted by: Under Fire at January 10, 2018 09:17 AM (r9UYA)

309 'Start by cutting them in half and counting the rings.'

Lengthwise?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 10, 2018 09:18 AM (EyPfd)

310 would devolve into discussions of guns and poop within 15 minutes. "

You left out bewebs. And limericks.

Wonder who winds up in the barrel, and is it a real barrel????

Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 10, 2018 09:18 AM (7LY+6)

311
Center for Disease Control, of all places, has a list of 'Vital Records Bureaus' for all the states, which is a department of Health and Human Services.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/w2w/index.htm

Or you can try your county clerk's office

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at January 10, 2018 09:18 AM (GroCc)

312 I can understand being a bit uneasy, but can anyone tell me anything that Trump has caved on? If nothing else, I think he's earned the benefit of the doubt.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 10, 2018 09:18 AM (gC2IV)

313 285 Did not Cruz offer B Hussein full Repub support for DACA but with 20 years of good behavior, taxes, etc before citizenship?
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 10, 2018 09:10 AM (BtQd4)


It's a play on Rush's idea, I think. He said you can have amnesty so long as those who get it cannot vote for a period of 20 years. Forgetting the legal arguments, the Democrats instantly rejected it, for obvious reasons.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 10, 2018 09:18 AM (mbhDw)

314 Thing is, I was born in DC in '71...and I'm not quite sure who I would contact for a replacement. Any ideas?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at January 10, 2018 09:16 AM (AM1GF)
===================

Contact the County Clerk's office in the county in which you were born. You'll probably have to pay a small fee. In WI, I think it's $20 for the first copy, and $4 for each additional. That's why I get a pack.

Posted by: grammie winger - for such a time as this at January 10, 2018 09:18 AM (lwiT4)

315 Illegal border crossing have plummeted under Trump and so has enforcement and it isn't happening just because Trump is talking tough.
_____________________

Actually, illegal border crossings are up significantly (to Obama levels) in recent months, mainly due to all the amnesty talk, but also because word has gotten out south of the border that BP is not making the apprehensions that Trump promised. The BP is still being run by Obama appointees.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at January 10, 2018 09:19 AM (fqUgw)

316 Deficit is growing, and thus the debt is too.


*****


The deficit doesn't have to be growing for the debt to increase. It just has to be a deficit.

Posted by: Muldoon at January 10, 2018 09:19 AM (wPiJc)

317 It was interesting to listen to Trump at the news conference.

I noticed he gently yet firmly kept setting the borders of the deal:

1) The Wall comes first - although he seems to have conceded it will not be a full border wall.

Personally, I would like to see a wall as close as possible to full border.

2) The Wall is not going to be a 7 yr project.

Smart, becuz delay in DC means "we're not going to do it"

Trump says it can be done in a year. It should be done in a year to insure that it is done.

3) DACA in Trump's formulation is limited to 800K individuals.

And he keeps pointing out that "dreamers" for the most part are not "kids". Lots of 30-40 yr old in that group.

I'm personally not happy about any amnesty for any lawbreakers. They should all go back and apply for citizenship if that's what they want.

But, ;listening to Trump, he's not falling for the "urgency" of this issue. It will be handled when all his other concerns about immigration (lottery, chain-migration, wall, better border security are handled.

That is the carrot to make this "bi-partisan".


I could be wrong but I noticed these trends in the way Trump spoke to the Congresstards.

Miss Lindsey had to sashay about singing "I'm Still Standing" for the Press and whinging about conservatives...so, I think we need to beware as this deal could turn into a big pile of poo.

President Trump needs to beware as well. Miss Lindsey and the other bear him no good will and will use this issue to sink his Presidency if they can...simply by getting what they want.

Still fascinating the way Our Very Stable Genius President kept setting limits and steering the conversation after the various Senatorial Retards made their grand statements.

All these idiots have working for them is Group Think and Mean Girl Tactics,

they are totally outclassed by Trump.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 10, 2018 09:19 AM (9q7Dl)

318 310 Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 10, 2018 09:18 AM (7LY+6)

I saw Bewbs and Limericks open for Horselips at the Bottom Line in '78.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 10, 2018 09:19 AM (mbhDw)

319 Any deal is a bad deal for America. It might benefit some politicians, or some businesses, or some parties, but it's bad for America.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 10, 2018 09:19 AM (QQ+il)

320 317 Posted by: naturalfake at January 10, 2018 09:19 AM (9q7Dl)


For what it's worth, he had his arms crossed whenever a Democrat spoke.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 10, 2018 09:20 AM (mbhDw)

321 illegal border crossings are up significantly"

Source? 'Cause the folks I know here in Texas say the exact opposite.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 10, 2018 09:20 AM (7LY+6)

322 The Hungary PM could also have made this point. ISIS has largely been defeated. So why aren't the refugees being sent back home, if there is no more need for them to take refuge?

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at January 10, 2018 09:20 AM (/qEW2)

323 A WeaselAcres 'Toll' doesn't sound upbeat and feiendly. How about "Site Use Investment"

Posted by: Weasel at January 10, 2018 09:21 AM (8aWIY)

324 302 Since we're on the subject of birth certificates, I have an odd situation. My "original" (probably a later) is old and faded and I need a replacement. Thing is, I was born in DC in '71...and I'm not quite sure who I would contact for a replacement. Any ideas?
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at January 10, 2018 09:16 AM (AM1GF)
__________________________


https://doh.dc.gov/service/vital-records

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at January 10, 2018 09:22 AM (fqUgw)

325 Although I'm ill at east with commentaries that declare "war inevitable," it wouldn't bother me at all if more of them ended, as this one does, with the words "and kill them."

Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 10, 2018 09:22 AM (H5rtT)

326 D.C. Birth Certificate application

https://doh.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/doh/ (Remove this space) service_content/attachments/DC_Birth_Application.pdf


It won't shorten, sorry.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 10, 2018 09:22 AM (EyPfd)

327 Trump has always signaled his willingness to address the Dreamers, even before he was a candidate and when he was a candidate. I just do not want him to give away the store when negotiating a deal. So far I have no reason to believe he will.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 10, 2018 09:23 AM (rxtQa)

328 Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at January 10, 2018 09:16 AM (AM1GF)

https://doh.dc.gov/service/birth-certificates

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 10, 2018 09:23 AM (BtQd4)

329 I can't get that infographic from yesterday out of my head, showing several red states turning blue if DACA happens. Then it's game over.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at January 10, 2018 09:23 AM (vg8iE)

330 3) DACA in Trump's formulation is limited to 800K individuals.

--

And I believe Rand Paul's input would deduct that 800k from the allowable immigration limits per year. Meaning, if 800k are granted amnesty in whatever form, that number is deductible from the 1mil (or whatever the # is) for that calendar year.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at January 10, 2018 09:23 AM (mQ0Mc)

331 Rush's take on the televised immigration meeting is pretty much parallel to what a friend and I were saying to one another yesterday. It really is delightful seeing him - once again - showing the blitherers to be the rabid chipmunks they are, and is the best response I've seen to the Wolff Dossier.

BTW, I've not seen anyone, in all the talk about Trump's "fitness" quote the line about TR, "remember that the president is about six years old", IIRC.

However, this headline strikes me as silly: "Ugh: PDT Endorses Return to Pork-Barrel Earmarks as a Means to Create Unity". What did anyone expect? I see too much on our side (and a lot at this site) of people projecting their own attitudes on Trump. Take it from me, as a native New Yorker, this was baked in the cake.

Posted by: George LeS at January 10, 2018 09:23 AM (+TcCF)

332 >>Contact the County Clerk's office in the county in which you were born. You'll probably have to pay a small fee.


Yep, I had to get a replacement ~8 years ago and there was a link to an online application to which I needed to include a copy of current drivers license. Or make your request in person, if feasible..

Posted by: Lizzy at January 10, 2018 09:23 AM (W+vEI)

333 Just my luck. Bewbs and limericks...

...and I get stuck in charge of limericks.

Posted by: Muldoon at January 10, 2018 09:24 AM (wPiJc)

334 >>On the other hand, people in Congress seem to be using "security" as a wiggle word in place of the wall - as in "we all want to tighten border security!" (not "build the wall).

>>Will be interesting to see whose definition of "security" wins.


Not all. Take a look at the bill Bob Goodlatte is introducing today.

https://tinyurl.com/yckq4ww9

Posted by: JackStraw at January 10, 2018 09:24 AM (/tuJf)

335 >>>>>A prime rate of even 3% will be a disaster.

.
.
.I would say that would be a catastrophe. The Fed would use over 25% of all incoming revenues just to service the interest on the debt.

Right now we are paying about $250 BILLION annually in interest with the Prime Rate on those obligations set at virtually zero.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at January 10, 2018 09:24 AM (+Dllb)

336 >>I can't get that infographic from yesterday out of my head, showing
several red states turning blue if DACA happens. Then it's game over.



https://twitter.com/LibertarianBlue/status/950108508594294784

Posted by: Lizzy at January 10, 2018 09:25 AM (W+vEI)

337
321 illegal border crossings are up significantly"

Source? 'Cause the folks I know here in Texas say the exact opposite.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 10, 2018 09:20 AM (7LY+6)
_____________________

The numbers from Trump's DHS say otherwise:


https://tinyurl.com/y9fgtz5b

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at January 10, 2018 09:25 AM (fqUgw)

338 '...and I get stuck in charge of limericks.'

A man's gotta know his limitations.

Plus...limericks are your wheelhouse.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 10, 2018 09:25 AM (EyPfd)

339 Actually, illegal border crossings are up significantly (to Obama levels) in recent months, mainly due to all the amnesty talk, but also because word has gotten out south of the border that BP is not making the apprehensions that Trump promised. The BP is still being run by Obama appointees.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at January 10, 2018 09:19 AM (fqUgw)

That overlooks another factor, that there are more jobs to be had than when Trump took over.

Posted by: George LeS at January 10, 2018 09:25 AM (+TcCF)

340 I can't get that infographic from yesterday out of my head, showing several red states turning blue if DACA happens. Then it's game over.

Marco Rubio said it wouldn't happen because they wouldn't vote.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at January 10, 2018 09:25 AM (O7MnT)

341 Le NOOD art

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 10, 2018 09:26 AM (EyPfd)

342 Have a look at those presidential portraits. All them old guys? Are between 50 and 61 years of age. Trump is 70, there. And cast in silver alloy.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 10, 2018 09:26 AM (H5rtT)

343 Addendum: Full admitting of your illegal status when joining the military in a contractual agreement that you will advance no farther than cleaning toilets and peeling potatoes, and, when you retire after 30 years of doing your job and having ZERO military or legal problems (not so much as a speeding ticket), your discharge papers will include full citizenship after that moment and no sooner.

Posted by: Moron Robbie -Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football Forever at January 10, 2018 09:27 AM (ks6bw)

344 Ah, but Dr. Oz told us in congressional testimony, "I actually do personally believe in the items I talk about on the show." But: "I recognize they don't have the scientific muster to present as fact." Say hello, everyone, to our future surgeon general.

========

LOL. For rational thinkers, liberals certainly are gullible. Oprah is like a secular Benny Hinn.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at January 10, 2018 09:27 AM (/qEW2)

345 I saw Strawberry Blonde open for Heart in Seattle.

Posted by: PhilDirt at January 10, 2018 09:27 AM (R5r5c)

346 Breitbart Texas reports BP apprehensions of unaccompanied kids and family units are back up to their previous levels. This is partly due to another rogue judge who ruled that apprehended children have to be released into the US.

DrewM made a good point in twitter, that no matter what laws we pass, some judge will rule that these people have to be allowed to stay.

Posted by: stace at January 10, 2018 09:28 AM (6HFDU)

347 I keep a copy of my marriage license too. We go to Cancun around our anniversary date. If I show them our marriage license we get rose petals in our room, chilled champagne and a candlelight dinner on the beach. Also they make our towels into those swan things.

Posted by: grammie winger - for such a time as this at January 10, 2018 09:28 AM (lwiT4)

348 >>Not all. Take a look at the bill Bob Goodlatte is introducing today.


Nice! Different from what people like Tillis were wanting to give the Dems before negotiations broke down last week...

Posted by: Lizzy at January 10, 2018 09:28 AM (W+vEI)

349 I saw Bewbs and Limericks open for Horselips at the Bottom Line in '78.


*******


Was that the Four Horselips of the Pokemon?






(wait for it)

Posted by: Muldoon at January 10, 2018 09:28 AM (wPiJc)

350 The numbers from Trump's DHS say otherwise: "

No, the article even admits a "17 year low" - and this, BTW, is the "migration season"

It's the NYT, so swallow it carefully...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 10, 2018 09:28 AM (7LY+6)

351 Birthright Citizenship is the killer to me, and no one is even suggesting fixing it.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 10, 2018 09:28 AM (QQ+il)

352 You gotta have art!

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Sleep Tight with A Comey Shred-N-Burn from the Outrage Outlet! at January 10, 2018 09:28 AM (hLRSq)

353 'Addendum: Full admitting of your illegal status when joining the military in a contractual agreement that you will advance no farther than cleaning toilets and peeling potatoes, '

And under High Year Tenure limitations, one enlistment, and out. You can't do thirty as an E-1 anymore.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 10, 2018 09:29 AM (EyPfd)

354 The donks are going to screw Trump first chance they get, bigly.

Posted by: Deplorable Redneck Bitter Clinger at January 10, 2018 07:33 AM (jAZR9)

If they try, they will look like the unreasonable ones. Yesterday's optics were very important - Trump not only got to look reasonable and sane, but bipartisan. If the Dems backstab him now (and remember he also got them to stake out positions on camera yesterday), it will look worse for them than for him.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at January 10, 2018 09:29 AM (ZM2xo)

355 "DrewM made a good point in twitter, that no matter what laws we pass, some judge will rule that these people have to be allowed to stay."

Wow, can they do that with guns as well?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 10, 2018 09:30 AM (EyPfd)

356
It's the NYT, so swallow it carefully...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 10, 2018 09:28 AM (7LY+6)
____________________

It's NYT reporting what DHS says. Breitbart, Fox, etc., have all recently been reporting the same thing: illegal border crossings are up to Obama-era level, and even higher.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at January 10, 2018 09:30 AM (fqUgw)

357 51 "No Standing." And No Squatting neither.

yeah, on the toilet seat. always nice to see shoe marks on the seat. and the used tp on the floor. sometimes even mr hanky's niblets, cause they missed the bowl whilst squatting on the seat.

yay diversity.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at January 10, 2018 09:31 AM (hscyr)

358 >>I can't get that infographic from yesterday out of my head, showing several red states turning blue if DACA happens. Then it's game over.

The vast majority of dreamers live in CA, IL, TX and FL with CA having the largest majority of around 200,000.

I don't think we have to worry much about CA and IL and the number for FL and TX is about 40,000 each according to the numbers I've seen.

Now if they follow the voting patterns of most Americans only about half will vote when they become able to vote which a lot can't cause they're still too young. And even if the overwhelming majority vote Democrat, say 90%, that is about 18,000 votes in Texas.

Shit, FL has taken in over 200,000 people from Puerto Rico this year and that is a much bigger problem that we can't do anything about.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 10, 2018 09:31 AM (/tuJf)

359 illegal border crossings are up to Obama-era level, and even higher."

Read carefully - the sources you mention conflate total numbers with the "family" numbers - which are up, but no report claims that grand totals are up over last year (the highest ever).

Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 10, 2018 09:32 AM (7LY+6)

360 this, BTW, is the "migration season"
_________________

I live in the Tucson sector. I know when migration season is.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at January 10, 2018 09:32 AM (fqUgw)

361 At some point, I would like Trump, and yesterday would've been the perfect opportunity,

to point out to the Congresstards-

that their job is working for the benefit of the Citizens of the United States of America

and not for the benefit of various and sundry foreigners who wander across the border.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 10, 2018 09:33 AM (9q7Dl)

362 Read carefully - the sources you mention conflate total numbers with the "family" numbers - which are up, but no report claims that grand totals are up over last year (the highest ever).
Posted by: Anon a mouse at January 10, 2018 09:32 AM (7LY+6)
________________________

I said they were increasing to Obama-era levels, which multiple sources have reported.

From the Washington Times (12/15/2017):

"The 39,006 people caught in November included 29,086 caught by the Border Patrol, and 9,920 who tried to come through official ports of entry without permission. The total is still less than 2015 or 2016, but is more than 2012, 2013 or 2014, signaling a return to Obama-era levels of illegal immigration on the border."

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at January 10, 2018 09:39 AM (fqUgw)

363 No, the article even admits a "17 year low" - and this, BTW, is the "migration season"

It's the NYT, so swallow it carefully...
Posted by: Anon a mouse


Every article on Bing (for Illegal Border Crossings) states "caught or arrested"

Read that carefully. Caught or arrested.

Not ATTEMPTED CROSSINGS.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 10, 2018 09:43 AM (uh5kC)

364 351 Birthright Citizenship is the killer to me, and no one is even suggesting fixing it."

I made several posts about this upthread - bottom line, work on getting a Constitutional Amendment passed, because that's the only way this will ever happen. Every other supposed plan is just smoke and mirrors to make gullible people feel happy.

One other way - support a Constitutional Convention by the States, and try to get it passed there. (although that probably ends in some level of civil war between flyover country and the 2 coasts)

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 10, 2018 09:44 AM (V2Yro)

365 I kinda don't mind if Californezuela goes ahead with their sanctuary state scheme and their billion dollars for health care for illegals. Maybe it will be a magnet to pull them out of other states.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at January 10, 2018 09:45 AM (O7MnT)

366 Ha, ha! People were frog bashing in the ONT last night, which is easy to do, but apparently Catherine Denevue and other French actresses have come out in favor of the right of men to flirt with and pick up women....

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at January 10, 2018 09:48 AM (ZM2xo)

367 I take it Denevue got a lot of male attention when she was young - and enjoyed it....

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at January 10, 2018 09:49 AM (ZM2xo)

368 some people wake up in a new pond or fall off the cabbage truck on a daily basis.


always trust Trump
never bet against Trump
don't get tired of winning

Posted by: x at January 10, 2018 09:49 AM (nFwvY)

369 361 At some point, I would like Trump, and yesterday would've been the perfect opportunity,

to point out to the Congresstards-

that their job is working for the benefit of the Citizens of the United States of America

and not for the benefit of various and sundry foreigners who wander across the border.
Posted by: naturalfake at January 10, 2018 09:33 AM (9q7Dl)

Wrong! Repubs have about 45% of all voter that being in the 90% + of working men and women. Dems have about 47% locked up of non taxpaying citizen on the govt teat and 95% + of Minorities. They are pandering to the 12 million illegals.

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 10, 2018 09:49 AM (BtQd4)

370
It was Kimberly Guilfoyle that corrected him.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat?
__________________

She can correct me anytime.....

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at January 10, 2018 09:52 AM (mPeei)

371 Hungarians just hate everyone who's not Magyar.



Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 10, 2018 09:07 AM (BWL+E)
Yes we do. Yes we do. Especially the Irish.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at January 10, 2018 09:54 AM (TPimP)

372 If only Democrats got this excited about helping Americans. Those days are gone. They'll pretend to be for border security, but the bottom line is they don't believe in borders because they no longer believe in America.

But Trump does.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at January 10, 2018 09:56 AM (Ndje9)

373 If someone breaks into your home - do you have to compromise with them and share your stuff, and let them stay? No. (HELL NO!)

Why do I have to compromise with people who've broken into my country? And I sure as hell don't have the responsibility to bring their whole family here for 'reunification"!

Posted by: lily at January 10, 2018 09:57 AM (5Rl8X)

374 O'Keefe breaking report? What did he do this time, find a democrat who admits to being a democrat on hidden camera?

Posted by: Reality Man at January 10, 2018 10:08 AM (/wpmd)

375 Don't know if it was mentioned upthread but this time it was not the 9th Circus that issued this ruling. It was the Federal District Court in San Fran.

Posted by: Bill R. at January 10, 2018 10:29 AM (IuYIh)

376 Per the Sex-Change Regret link, that person isn't the only one.

Dani Bunton, a game developer famous for several computer games in the 80's such as M.U.L.E., had a sex change operation. Oddly for Wikipedia (in that it hasn't been memory-holed), her entry contains a passage about how she regretted the surgery, and advised it as a last-resort.

Given that Dani practically dropped out of game development after that point, the surgery basically robbed us of a creative mind.

Posted by: Another Anon at January 10, 2018 10:44 AM (FUY/l)

377 You cannot have a door without a wall.

Posted by: Peasant66 at January 10, 2018 02:54 PM (jV/mV)

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Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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