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Judge Dismisses Charges Against Clive Bundy and His Sons With Prejudice, Citing "Outrageous" Prosecutorial Conduct
A sharp rebuke to how government agents were operating under Obama, and still are.
Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, his two sons and a militia member will not face a retrial on charges that they led an armed rebellion against federal agents in 2014. A federal judge Monday said the federal prosecutors' conduct was "outrageous" and "violated due process rights" of the defendants. U.S. District Judge Gloria Navarro said a new trial would not be sufficient to address the problems in the case and would provide the prosecution with an unfair advantage going forward. She dismissed the charges against the four men "with prejudice," meaning they cannot face trial again. As the courtroom doors opened after Navarro's ruling, a huge cheer went up from the crowd of spectators gathered outside.Gabe was writing about this on Twitter. If I followed his claims correctly, Bundy and his sons had offered a defense that they had only armed up because they feared the government was surveilling them and had snipers posted around them. The evidence the prosecutors deliberately withheld from them was that, indeed, the government had been surveilling them and had snipers posted around them.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 08, 2018 05:30 PM (jxbfJ)
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 08, 2018 05:30 PM (jxbfJ)
Posted by: sofa saver at January 08, 2018 05:30 PM (4u7kU)
Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 05:31 PM (LAe3v)
++++
We did that for their own safety.
Posted by: Government Snipers at January 08, 2018 05:31 PM (FUu/Z)
Posted by: Jean Pierre Rampal at January 08, 2018 05:32 PM (/qEW2)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:32 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: Ray Donovan at January 08, 2018 05:32 PM (7A6l6)
Posted by: The Gimp at January 08, 2018 05:32 PM (LVrfb)
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 05:32 PM (LiyEm)
Posted by: James Galloway at January 08, 2018 05:33 PM (/qEW2)
Posted by: sofa saver at January 08, 2018 05:30 PM (4u7kU)
You sure it's not the residue from an unwiped cloaca from 500 feet?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:33 PM (mbhDw)
Government Sniper
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 05:33 PM (LiyEm)
Which, more and more, is starting to look like 'Holding' violations in the NFL.
Posted by: garrett at January 08, 2018 05:33 PM (dxyQV)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 08, 2018 05:33 PM (QQ+il)
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 05:34 PM (LiyEm)
Juan Williams has added a widow's peak with his latest dye job
Eddie Munster of the Blacula universe.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 08, 2018 05:34 PM (IqV8l)
Kept dismissing the Bundy's defenses left and right... to the point where they probably had grounds for appeal anyway...
Then.... 180.... because the same defenses were the ones she had ruled against.... time... and again...
Made the Judge look stupid.
Posted by: Don Q. at January 08, 2018 05:34 PM (NgKpN)
Which, more and more, is starting to look like 'Holding' violations in the NFL.
Posted by: garrett at January 08, 2018 05:33 PM (dxyQV)
In this case "Holder" Violations.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:34 PM (mbhDw)
Yeah there was a video of it. The two women in side the truck were trying to find cover as the feds peppered the truck with rounds over the period of a few minutes it seemed.
Posted by: Drider at January 08, 2018 05:35 PM (HdKKm)
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 08, 2018 05:35 PM (cAXIk)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 08, 2018 05:35 PM (rTCJ6)
And the BLM super for the area had a hard on for the Bundy's.
Too bad all the death and money spent. New rules should be set forth that any AG bringing charges that are flawed will take cut in pay commensurate with degree of failure.
Prosecutors need to have skin in the game. Judges too.
Posted by: jakee308 at January 08, 2018 05:35 PM (2R0TF)
Posted by: Jean at January 08, 2018 05:35 PM (yM/Yl)
Posted by: High Priest Al Gore at January 08, 2018 05:35 PM (ylUqT)
Yeah there was a video of it. The two women in side the truck were trying to find cover as the feds peppered the truck with rounds over the period of a few minutes it seemed.
Posted by: Drider at January 08, 2018 05:35 PM (HdKKm)
Nope.. that was Levoy Finicum,
Posted by: Don Q. at January 08, 2018 05:35 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 08, 2018 05:36 PM (0ogQG)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at January 08, 2018 05:36 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: Archer at January 08, 2018 05:36 PM (gbWkA)
That kooky American nanny who murdered her roommate, what was her name?
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 08, 2018 05:36 PM (rTCJ6)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 08, 2018 05:36 PM (rTCJ6)
In addition to Mueller's shennanigans, recall that several DOJ judges
were caught lying to a Federal district court judge in a key DACA case.
Posted by: Ignoramus
If your point is that DOJ has been completely politicized, I agree. I can think of few things more toxic to a Republic.
Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 05:36 PM (LAe3v)
**dons asbestos suit**
Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 05:31 PM (LAe3v)
In your defense, not matter what's going on, you do not arm up and threaten LE or other agents. We admonish, and rightly so, the Gentle Giants et al for not saying "yes, officer" and shutting up instead of punching their lights out and going for their weapon.
Same applies in this instance.
Now, that said, the depredations and the persecutions of the Federal government are a legitimate issue.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:36 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 05:36 PM (LiyEm)
Posted by: garrett at January 08, 2018 05:37 PM (dxyQV)
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 08, 2018 05:37 PM (QLvwG)
Posted by: garrett at January 08, 2018 05:37 PM (dxyQV)
In this case "Holder" Violations.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:34 PM (mbhDw)
Holder? Holder? Never heard of the guy. Must be some right wing conspiracy crazy talk.
Posted by: The MFM at January 08, 2018 05:37 PM (EzdLW)
That kooky American nanny who murdered her roommate, what was her name?
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 08, 2018 05:36 PM (rTCJ6)
Yeah, what's her face. Amanda Knox.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:37 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 05:37 PM (LAe3v)
Posted by: Jean at January 08, 2018 05:37 PM (yM/Yl)
Mr. Belvedere?
Posted by: garrett at January 08, 2018 05:37 PM (dxyQV)
aka Roger Debris!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:38 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 05:38 PM (LiyEm)
Posted by: Skip at January 08, 2018 05:38 PM (aC6Sd)
Posted by: never enough caffeine at January 08, 2018 05:38 PM (N3JsI)
Posted by: Jean at January 08, 2018 05:37 PM (yM/Yl)
You mean years extra in retirement bonuses?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:38 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: Libs at January 08, 2018 05:38 PM (vDqXW)
Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at January 08, 2018 05:38 PM (ylUqT)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 08, 2018 05:38 PM (5y11N)
Eddie Munster of the Blacula universe.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 08, 2018 05:34 PM (IqV8l)
Guess he didn't want is noggin to look like a butt cheek in buttless pantyhose
Posted by: sofa saver at January 08, 2018 05:38 PM (4u7kU)
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 05:38 PM (LiyEm)
But the pasta. C'mon.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:39 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton
Clearly, but the fact that you've "made improvements" to land that doesn't belong to you doesn't entitle you to treat it as your own.
Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 05:39 PM (LAe3v)
Part of the charges were that the Bundys engaged in fraud by calling for support for claims that the Feds were surveiling them and had snipers around them. I don't remember if this is an exact quote but the prosecutors called that impossible and a fantasy. Oh and the one BLM internal review document the defense requested was referred to by prosecutors as a shiny object that doesn't exist.
As I keep screeching, there's no possible way this is the only time these prosecutors and agents have done this. None.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. With jaunty propeller beanie. Hopping all around. at January 08, 2018 05:39 PM (dEQP3)
Posted by: freaked at January 08, 2018 05:39 PM (KvWlw)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 05:39 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Skip at January 08, 2018 05:40 PM (aC6Sd)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton
Clearly, but the fact that you've "made improvements" to land that doesn't belong to you doesn't entitle you to treat it as your own.
Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 05:39 PM (LAe3v)
Well, that too is another issue.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:40 PM (mbhDw)
It's about damn time. Now to go after the real perps.
Posted by: freaked
Protip: check the golf courses.
Posted by: OJ at January 08, 2018 05:40 PM (LAe3v)
That kooky American nanny who murdered her roommate, what was her name?
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 08, 2018 05:36 PM (rTCJ6)
Huma?
Posted by: Hands at January 08, 2018 05:40 PM (EzdLW)
Posted by: Clive Bundy at January 08, 2018 05:40 PM (dxyQV)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 08, 2018 05:36 PM (rTCJ6)
Not Phoebe Figalilly?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:41 PM (mbhDw)
I remember at least five cases in the last 10 years where the federal prosecutors withheld evidence in trials from the defense and the case got thrown out as a result. I wrote about several on my blog in the past.
Its not the only time. In fact, given how often this comes up, I suspect its standard procedure.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 05:41 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:39 PM (mbhDw)
And tiramisu. And Muscato.
Posted by: IC at January 08, 2018 05:42 PM (a0IVu)
**dons asbestos suit**
Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 05:31 PM (LAe3v)
In your defense, not matter what's going on, you do not arm up and threaten LE or other agents. We admonish, and rightly so, the Gentle Giants et al for not saying "yes, officer" and shutting up instead of punching their lights out and going for their weapon.
Same applies in this instance.
Now, that said, the depredations and the persecutions of the Federal government are a legitimate issue.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:36 PM (mbhDw)
Yes.... and those blasted Colonials at Breed's Hill???
We were just there to confiscate their illegal ammunition supplies!
It was gun control... pure and simple...
Posted by: Generl Burgoyne at January 08, 2018 05:42 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 05:42 PM (LiyEm)
Posted by: jmel at January 08, 2018 05:42 PM (OeWgo)
Its not the only time. In fact, given how often this comes up, I suspect its standard procedure.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 05:41 PM (39g3+)
The Obama Reign of Error's SOP was "catch me if you can."
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:42 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 05:39 PM (LAe3v)
Which has not one damn thing to do with the prosecution and the BLM agents and the FBI lying their asses off.
And you know that.
You know, at least when I thread jack, I do it about tits or which US President would win in a knife fight to the death with the other Presidents.
You know, important things.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. With jaunty propeller beanie. Hopping all around. at January 08, 2018 05:42 PM (dEQP3)
Where does LaVoy Finicum go to get his life back?
Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2018 05:42 PM (hpmES)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at January 08, 2018 05:42 PM (89T5c)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 08, 2018 05:42 PM (rTCJ6)
Posted by: Insomniac - Meet the New Year, same as the old year at January 08, 2018 05:42 PM (NWiLs)
My mind is racing in confusion.
Posted by: eleven at January 08, 2018 05:42 PM (+lOpA)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:39 PM (mbhDw)
>>And tiramisu. And Muscato.
And Giada's Melons
Posted by: garrett at January 08, 2018 05:43 PM (dxyQV)
Posted by: Clive Bundy at January 08, 2018 05:40 PM (dxyQV)
lol! thread winner!
Posted by: Jewells45 at January 08, 2018 05:43 PM (CNHr1)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:39 PM (mbhDw)
And tiramisu. And Muscato.
Posted by: IC at January 08, 2018 05:42 PM (a0IVu)
e ragazzi bellissima!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:43 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: Libs at January 08, 2018 05:43 PM (vDqXW)
https://preview.tinyurl.com/ybly5mvc
Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at January 08, 2018 05:43 PM (ylUqT)
because they get offered a deal and they've got no money or run out.
It's not the sentence, it's the process.
And that's unjust.
Posted by: jakee308 at January 08, 2018 05:43 PM (2R0TF)
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 08, 2018 05:35 PM (cAXIk)
Never heard of this one. Any more info?
Posted by: F.N.G. at January 08, 2018 05:43 PM (kiSdp)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:39 PM (mbhDw)
And tiramisu. And Muscato.
Posted by: IC at January 08, 2018 05:42 PM (a0IVu)
And Sophia Loren!
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 08, 2018 05:43 PM (QLvwG)
Posted by: eleven at January 08, 2018 05:43 PM (+lOpA)
And Giada's Melons
Posted by: garrett at January 08, 2018 05:43 PM (dxyQV)
They are molto bravi!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:43 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: jsg at January 08, 2018 05:44 PM (bwN1x)
That kooky American nanny who murdered her roommate, what was her name?
Fran Drescher
Posted by: garrett at January 08, 2018 05:37 PM (dxyQV)
Tony Danza
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at January 08, 2018 05:44 PM (lKyWE)
You know, at least when I thread jack, I do it about tits or which US President would win in a knife fight to the death with the other Presidents.
You know, important things.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. With jaunty propeller beanie. Hopping all around. at January 08, 2018 05:42 PM (dEQP3)
Well go on. Don't leave us hanging.
Posted by: Hands at January 08, 2018 05:44 PM (EzdLW)
Posted by: freaked at January 08, 2018 05:44 PM (KvWlw)
Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 08, 2018 05:44 PM (Eu5eZ)
Using and improving up land is actually a basis for ownership, if uncontested for long enough. Especially federal lands, goes back a long time ago to homesteading.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 05:44 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Jean at January 08, 2018 05:37 PM (yM/Yl)
++++
They usually don't have to wait long; the promotion comes fairly quickly.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at January 08, 2018 05:44 PM (pvjTE)
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 05:44 PM (LiyEm)
Posted by: me at January 08, 2018 05:44 PM (y+DyX)
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at January 08, 2018 05:44 PM (/qEW2)
Taft.
He had big tits and there's no way you could hit his vitals by stabbing him with a knife.
Posted by: garrett at January 08, 2018 05:44 PM (dxyQV)
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 05:44 PM (LiyEm)
Too many expect a cuddle and a mug of cocoa....
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:45 PM (mbhDw)
The Prosecutor claimed in court - yes, he absolutely, seriously claimed this in his court filings - that Amanda Knox had induced the North African to kill her roommate through Witchcraft, and then also claimed that she was so clever that she was able to do away with any actual evidence that she had done this.
THAT is why the Italian Supreme Court finally threw out all the charges against her - it was a trial right out of the 16th century Inquisition.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2018 05:45 PM (k1TUh)
Posted by: Charles Gibson at January 08, 2018 05:45 PM (q177U)
Taft.
He had big tits and there's no way you could hit his vitals by stabbing him with a knife.
Posted by: garrett at January 08, 2018 05:44 PM (dxyQV)
No "second look at Krispy Kreosote" for me, thank you.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:46 PM (mbhDw)
Where does LaVoy Finicum go to get his life back?
Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2018 05:42 PM (hpmES)
Its also the Righteous, not just the innocent, who will return....
Posted by: God at January 08, 2018 05:46 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: freaked at January 08, 2018 05:46 PM (KvWlw)
Posted by: Bill Kristoll at January 08, 2018 05:46 PM (EzdLW)
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 05:46 PM (LiyEm)
When he said "witchcraft" I think he was referring to the Sinatra tune.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:46 PM (mbhDw)
Which has not one damn thing to do with the prosecution and the BLM agents and the FBI lying their asses off.
And you know that.
You know, at least when I thread jack, I do it about tits or which
US President would win in a knife fight to the death with the other
Presidents.
You know, important things.
Which I acknowledged in my @52. I object to the implication that Bundy is some sort of virtuous angel picked on by a Satanic government. The latter may be true, but the former is not.
And the answer is clearly Jamie Lee Curtis and Abraham Lincoln.
Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 05:47 PM (LAe3v)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 08, 2018 05:47 PM (rTCJ6)
Posted by: sofa saver at January 08, 2018 05:38 PM
Uhhh, ... um, are these the ones you, ah, can wear with chaps?
Asking for a fellow Moron.
Posted by: @JRandomMoron at January 08, 2018 05:47 PM (ctuyM)
Posted by: davidt at January 08, 2018 05:47 PM (FdNEK)
btw, I watched Guy Ritchie's version of the legend of King Arthur.
It was pretty good.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 08, 2018 05:47 PM (rTCJ6)
Was Brick-Top in it?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:47 PM (mbhDw)
Prosecutors need to have skin in the game. Judges too.
Posted by: jakee308 at January 08, 2018 05:35 PM (2R0TF)
it gets to a point where they are using their positions to frame people.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 08, 2018 05:48 PM (Eu5eZ)
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 08, 2018 05:48 PM (BtQd4)
We aren't playing by the Marquess of Queensbury rules here.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 05:48 PM (39g3+)
**dons asbestos suit**
Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 05:31 PM (LAe3v)
I will volunteer to man a fire extinguisher. I have the same more to the story position on Ruby Ridge and Waco.
In the Bundy case though the trial proceedings were unacceptable and what the judge did was correct .
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 08, 2018 05:48 PM (1me8P)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at January 08, 2018 05:48 PM (89T5c)
Posted by: Archer at January 08, 2018 05:48 PM (gbWkA)
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 05:44 PM (LiyEm)
Too many expect a cuddle and a mug of cocoa....
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:45 PM (mbhDw)
One of the reason Gen. Grant was out of favor at the beginning of the Civil War, was that he had been forced to put down armed insurrection in Calif, just before the war... in San Francisco of all places (if memory serves)...
Posted by: Don Q. at January 08, 2018 05:48 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 05:49 PM (LiyEm)
Posted by: F.N.G. at January 08, 2018 05:43 PM (kiSdp)
Well, there's this:
http://pdfserver.amlaw.com/nlj/texas_order_20160519.pdf
(You know you're about to get bench slapped out the back wall of the courthouse when the judge starts out an opinion like that)
That opinion is remarkable both for how pissed Hanen was (rule number one: Never piss off the judge) and how he didn't pull any punches in saying so.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. With jaunty propeller beanie. Hopping all around. at January 08, 2018 05:49 PM (dEQP3)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 08, 2018 05:49 PM (rTCJ6)
I agree, Bundy isn't a saint, and I think he and his buddies are kinda crazy, one of those guys you know that collects all the knives and the camo gear. But they aren't wrong here, either.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 05:49 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at January 08, 2018 05:48 PM (89T5c)
114 Come on, he was an eyetalian prosecutor and Amanda had a nice rack.
Posted by: Archer at January 08, 2018 05:48 PM (gbWkA)
Ooh, some-a fun ghouls!!!!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:49 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at January 08, 2018 05:49 PM (nILVB)
Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 08, 2018 05:48 PM (Eu5eZ)
Ha? I don't get it?
Posted by: NiFang at January 08, 2018 05:49 PM (5y11N)
Because any of the others going after him would be racist!!!! He'd win without so much as a scratch.
Posted by: Hands at January 08, 2018 05:49 PM (EzdLW)
Posted by: Ficus of Liberty at January 08, 2018 05:50 PM (09tFn)
Posted by: davidt at January 08, 2018 05:47 PM (FdNEK)
Why another look? He was acquitted.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 08, 2018 05:50 PM (1me8P)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:45 PM
Well, and some talk about health insurance, too.
Posted by: Pajama Boy at January 08, 2018 05:50 PM (ctuyM)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at January 08, 2018 05:50 PM (3BFzK)
---
Knife - Jackson
Fisticuffs - T. Roosevelt
Rollerbrawl - F.D. Roosevelt
Greco-Roman wrestling - Van Buren
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at January 08, 2018 05:50 PM (qJtVm)
Posted by: DaveA at January 08, 2018 05:50 PM (FhXTo)
Both before and during!
Posted by: President Cock Curious at January 08, 2018 05:50 PM (pXQWt)
and norway
Posted by: i just remembered at January 08, 2018 05:50 PM (nBzBk)
Was Brick-Top in it?
Who's that? That Vinny guy?
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 08, 2018 05:49 PM (rTCJ6)
The bad guy who fed people to pigs. Glasses.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:50 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 08, 2018 05:50 PM (BtQd4)
Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at January 08, 2018 05:50 PM (0OmEj)
He had big tits and there's no way you could hit his vitals by stabbing him with a knife.
Depends on the knife.
Posted by: Crocodile Dundee at January 08, 2018 05:50 PM (v3pYe)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at January 08, 2018 05:42 PM (89T5c)
Noooooooooo!!!! When I go out there hunting, it will be all sold by the states to private owners who will lock out common guys like me. Kind of like how TX is now.
Posted by: F.N.G. at January 08, 2018 05:50 PM (kiSdp)
Posted by: Skip at January 08, 2018 05:51 PM (aC6Sd)
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 05:51 PM (LiyEm)
Posted by: Archer at January 08, 2018 05:51 PM (gbWkA)
Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at January 08, 2018 05:50 PM (0OmEj)
With the other BLM.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:51 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at January 08, 2018 05:51 PM (/qEW2)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 05:51 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Hands at January 08, 2018 05:51 PM (EzdLW)
The only land the BLM should be managing is their own. And that should be sold off as much as possible.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:51 PM (mbhDw)
- Jeff S.
Posted by: #neverskankles at January 08, 2018 05:52 PM (dchQY)
And, although it irritates people, our system has decided that it is too disruptive to actually charge government officials with violating the civil rights of defendants (although I rather think they should) Instead, the rule is, when the Government is found to be cheating, then the defendant goes free and all charges are tossed out. And the voters can decide if they want to live with the consequences of the dirty cops they've put on the job.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2018 05:52 PM (k1TUh)
Using and improving up land is actually a basis for ownership, if uncontested for long enough. Especially federal lands, goes back a long time ago to homesteading.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 05:44 PM (39g3+)
Yup... Common Law... was originally about who could use, and how, the Commons... the land used by everyone...
You know... Public Land...
The State came in and changed the rules... just because....
Posted by: Don Q. at January 08, 2018 05:52 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Weasel at January 08, 2018 05:52 PM (Sfs6o)
improvements" to land that doesn't belong to you doesn't entitle you to
treat it as your own.
Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 05:39 PM (LAe3v)
---------------------------------The issue of the lease payments is long since settled, and in a different case. This case is a different issue, and its about the BLM setting out to kill American citizens without trial and only being stopped because those Americans succeeded in publicizing their plight. Then the government failed to hand over the evidence that proved the defense case, despite knowing they needed to do so.
Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at January 08, 2018 05:53 PM (ylUqT)
She was innocent AF. What a messed up case. She not only lost several years of her life but those early 20s years are some of the BEST years.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 08, 2018 05:53 PM (ul9CR)
That's gotta count for something...
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 08, 2018 05:53 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 05:53 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Rollerbrawl crowd at January 08, 2018 05:54 PM (89T5c)
That's gotta count for something...
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 08, 2018 05:53 PM (4ErVI)
"Say, what?"
- - Wilson Good, Janet Reno
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:54 PM (mbhDw)
The only land the BLM should be managing is their own. And that should be sold off as much as possible.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 08, 2018 05:51 PM (mbhDw)
People in the East have no conception about just how much Land the BLM controls in the West....
Posted by: Don Q. at January 08, 2018 05:54 PM (NgKpN)
He had big tits and there's no way you could hit his vitals by stabbing him with a knife.
Depends on the knife.
Posted by: Crocodile Dundee at January 08, 2018 05:50 PM (v3pYe)
No shit!
Posted by: James Bowie at January 08, 2018 05:54 PM (gbWkA)
Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at January 08, 2018 05:50 PM (0OmEj)
With the other BLM.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January
lock em in a warehouse and let em slug it out.
Posted by: ---.-./-.--- - at January 08, 2018 05:54 PM (GFAq1)
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 05:54 PM (LiyEm)
Posted by: #neverskankles at January 08, 2018 05:55 PM (GwV85)
IIRC, a misplaced fence that goes uncontested for 7 years becomes legal. At least that's the way it was back home in Alabama.
Which, prolly not coincidentally, is the exact amount of time required to be common-law-married.
Unless she's your sister, then it's only 5 years since you've known her longer.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 08, 2018 05:55 PM (tRaq7)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 08, 2018 05:55 PM (5y11N)
Posted by: sofa saver at January 08, 2018 05:38 PM
Uhhh, ... um, are these the ones you, ah, can wear with chaps?
Asking for a fellow Moron.
Posted by: @JRandomMoron at January 08, 2018 05:47 PM (ctuyM)
They look better with a sequined mini dress, I've heard
Posted by: sofa saver at January 08, 2018 05:55 PM (4u7kU)
Washington wins after Nixon tries to backstab him while lying playing
dead for a long time, but the stab hits a flask and Washington turns and
slits his throat for the win.
Please. Lincoln could hold an axe horizontally by the handle end, without the head shaking. Plus, tall and lanky. Small target, long reach.
Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 05:55 PM (LAe3v)
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 08, 2018 05:55 PM (1me8P)
Posted by: eleven at January 08, 2018 05:55 PM (+lOpA)
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 05:56 PM (LiyEm)
But wait there is more...No tax on diet soda
ut wait there is more...No tax on sugary drinks made by hand (Starsucks)
so city government sent out tweet explaining that is not how is was to work. Wholesalers and companies were supposed to eat taxes.
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 08, 2018 05:56 PM (BtQd4)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at January 08, 2018 05:56 PM (3BFzK)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 08, 2018 05:57 PM (8+Ozj)
Correct, this is why the "Hillary cannot be prosecuted" argument is so pernicious, The more powerful and important a person you are, the more damage you to do the whole of society when you do wrong, and the more you must be punished, even if for something that a lesser known individual, someone without power, might get away with.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 05:57 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 05:56 PM (LiyEm)
Actually I have observed just the opposite recently.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 08, 2018 05:57 PM (1me8P)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January
unless you are a woman in little mogadishu running for office who commits bigamy by marrying her brother to help him immigrate.
Posted by: ---.-./-.--- - at January 08, 2018 05:57 PM (GFAq1)
IIRC, a misplaced fence that goes uncontested for 7 years becomes legal. At least that's the way it was back home in Alabama.
Which, prolly not coincidentally, is the exact amount of time required to be common-law-married.
Unless she's your sister, then it's only 5 years since you've known her longer.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 08, 2018 05:55 PM (tRaq7)
There's a principle in common law called adverse possession where if you take "open and notorious" uncontested occupation of land for seven years it becomes yours (paraphrasing from memory of Real Property class). I suspect it's been modified by statute though.
Posted by: Insomniac - Meet the New Year, same as the old year at January 08, 2018 05:57 PM (NWiLs)
______________________
Where do they go to get back the hundreds of thousands of dollars they've probably had to spend on lawyer fees to defend themselves against these charges?
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at January 08, 2018 05:57 PM (fqUgw)
Posted by: Hands at January 08, 2018 05:57 PM (EzdLW)
- Jeff S.
People on the right spent 8 years bitching about Obama using executive actions to subvert the powers of Congress and make laws with his pen and phone but now I am supposed to be angry when the Trump administration overturns those unlawful actions?
We have a process for making laws, it's called Congress. If you want legal weed, tell them.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 08, 2018 05:58 PM (/tuJf)
I was like, "damn, small world!"
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 08, 2018 05:58 PM (ul9CR)
Posted by: eleven at January 08, 2018 05:55 PM (+lOpA)
He was drunk a lot. So deadened by alcohol to the point where he wouldn't feel anything.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 08, 2018 05:58 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: Skip at January 08, 2018 05:58 PM (aC6Sd)
#diversity
Posted by: #neverskankles at January 08, 2018 05:58 PM (ANVTd)
Posted by: jsg at January 08, 2018 05:58 PM (bwN1x)
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 08, 2018 05:58 PM (BtQd4)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at January 08, 2018 05:58 PM (qJtVm)
I predict that the seattle soda tax will bring in a net negative $15 million in its first year.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at January 08, 2018 05:58 PM (3BFzK)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 08, 2018 05:58 PM (tRaq7)
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 05:56 PM (LiyEm)
Actually I have observed just the opposite recently.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January
well, black girl white guy is not the norm. most often it is black guy with fat white girl.
Posted by: ---.-./-.--- - at January 08, 2018 05:58 PM (GFAq1)
Posted by: Don Q.
Irrelevant. You may not agree with how much they own, but it's still the public's land. Until the people demand, via their representatives, that the land be sold off, it's still our land.
Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 05:59 PM (LAe3v)
Posted by: Archer at January 08, 2018 05:59 PM (gbWkA)
At least that what Oprah be saying.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 08, 2018 05:59 PM (EoRCO)
Posted by: Skip at January 08, 2018 05:58 PM (aC6Sd)
I doubt Oprah runs for anything except 7 layer cake
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 08, 2018 05:59 PM (5y11N)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 08, 2018 05:58 PM (/tuJf)
Yup.
Laws mostly suck. But unequal application of those laws sucks even more.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 08, 2018 05:59 PM (wYseH)
We shot the woman holding a fully loaded infant to save the infant...
//Your FBI HRT
Posted by: sven10077 at January 08, 2018 05:59 PM (SzZnW)
Lincoln would do well, but had no military experience or training. He loses to the guys that did and proved their toughness and/or luck in real life combat and danger. Lincoln was strong and tough but Roosevelt, Washington, and Jackson were killers.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 05:59 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 05:59 PM (LiyEm)
Posted by: junior at January 08, 2018 06:00 PM (lC2Lz)
never ever talk to a fbi agent
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 08, 2018 05:50 PM (BtQd4)
My Dallas BIL, prominent defense attorney, has always told me to never talk to anyone except him, no exceptions.
Posted by: sofa saver at January 08, 2018 06:00 PM (4u7kU)
Quite, I also find it charming that on THIS topic and this one alone well and arguably Amigo Grande! Mexifornia is SUDDENLY in love with the 10th amendment.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 08, 2018 06:00 PM (SzZnW)
Posted by: #neverskankles at January 08, 2018 06:00 PM (wwp2b)
Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 06:00 PM (LAe3v)
Posted by: jsg at January 08, 2018 06:01 PM (bwN1x)
improvements" to land that doesn't belong to you doesn't entitle you to
treat it as your own.
Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 05:39 PM (LAe3v)
He actually had a 'land grant' for grazing that had been issued to his family hundreds of years ago and the State recognized it. The land was originally State land which the feds came in and just stole because they could. The feds behavior has been illegal and outrageous from the start of this event. But then that was typical of the corrupt Obamanites.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at January 08, 2018 06:01 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 08, 2018 05:58 PM (/tuJf)
B Hussein passed only 1 or 2 laws. Any prog that like B Huessein is fukn idiot. Never helped you on dope or drugs.
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 08, 2018 06:01 PM (BtQd4)
Posted by: Skip at January 08, 2018 06:01 PM (aC6Sd)
Posted by: rhennigantx at January
well yeah but he is not carving it into the mountain, he is having it cut out of a block of granite, placed atop the mountain, then covered in gold plate.
Posted by: ---.-./-.--- - at January 08, 2018 06:01 PM (GFAq1)
Posted by: Ficus of Liberty at January 08, 2018 06:01 PM (09tFn)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 08, 2018 06:01 PM (IqV8l)
Posted by: eleven at January 08, 2018 06:02 PM (+lOpA)
Posted by: #neverskankles at January 08, 2018 06:02 PM (ANVTd)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob - Resolution: 'positive thinking'...like that'll do any good. at January 08, 2018 06:02 PM (4CCz5)
Not a good look.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 08, 2018 06:02 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 08, 2018 06:02 PM (dnWSK)
never ever talk to a fbi agent
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 08, 2018 05:50 PM (BtQd4)
My Dallas BIL, prominent defense attorney, has always told me to never talk to anyone except him, no exceptions.
Posted by: sofa saver at January 08, 2018 06:00 PM (4u7kU)
Give 'em your name and ID and shut the hell up.
It's as simple as that.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 08, 2018 06:02 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: Rusty Nail at January 08, 2018 06:02 PM (toi7g)
I predict that the seattle soda tax will bring in a net negative $15 million in its first year.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at January 08, 2018 05:58 PM (3BFzK)
I love that the stores are putting out line items showing the cost.
It'll be like Philly where the people who can will just go right over the county line to where there's no tax in order to bulk buy and then there will be shrieking about that.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. With jaunty propeller beanie. Hopping all around. at January 08, 2018 06:02 PM (dEQP3)
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 08, 2018 05:58 PM (BtQd4)
They now can remake North by northwest. Wonder which clowns they would cast ?
Posted by: sofa saver at January 08, 2018 06:02 PM (4u7kU)
Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 05:59 PM (LAe3v)
And the jack-booted thugs of government get to shoot people who disagree with the application of grazing law?
Sorry, but "The People" are superior to "The Government."
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 08, 2018 06:02 PM (wYseH)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 08, 2018 05:58 PM (/tuJf)
And the States have done, just that.
Now, it can be argued that the Precedent, for making an entire thing illegal in the US, was set by Prohibition... ie, a Constitutional Amendment.
Because Constitutionally... otherwise, it should be left to the States (via the 10th).
but I know... that is soooo last Millenium....
Posted by: Don Q. at January 08, 2018 06:02 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Don Q. at January 08, 2018 05:48 PM (NgKpN)
There. Shit.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob - Resolution: 'positive thinking'...like that'll do any good. at January 08, 2018 06:03 PM (4CCz5)
I predict that the seattle soda tax will bring in a net negative $15 million in its first year.
_________________
As Philly found out, what happens is that soda purchases decline dramatically in the area where the tax is effective, while simultaneously increasing dramatically in neighboring areas, where the tax is not applied.
Unexpectedly!
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at January 08, 2018 06:03 PM (fqUgw)
Posted by: ---.-./-.--- - at January 08, 2018 06:03 PM (GFAq1)
Posted by: eleven at January 08, 2018 06:03 PM (+lOpA)
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 08, 2018 06:03 PM (ul9CR)
If more than 4% of Lexus owners are black Id be shocked. LEXUS is white and Asian exclusively.
Posted by: #neverskankles
That's not what my TV says.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 08, 2018 06:03 PM (IqV8l)
Lincoln could hold an axe horizontally by the handle end, without the
head shaking. Plus, tall and lanky. Small target, long reach.
Lincoln would do well, but had no military experience or training.
He loses to the guys that did and proved their toughness and/or luck in
real life combat and danger. Lincoln was strong and tough but
Roosevelt, Washington, and Jackson were killers.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
I heard that Washington had, like, 8 d***s. I can't verify it, of course.
Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 06:03 PM (LAe3v)
Posted by: davidt at January 08, 2018 06:03 PM (FdNEK)
improvements" to land that doesn't belong to you doesn't entitle you to
treat it as your own.
Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 05:39 PM (LAe3v)
He actually had a 'land grant' for grazing that had been issued to his family hundreds of years ago and the State recognized it. The land was originally State land which the feds came in and just stole because they could. The feds behavior has been illegal and outrageous from the start of this event. But then that was typical of the corrupt Obamanites.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party
Why wasn't the taking of the land grants an eminent domain claim?
Posted by: Jean at January 08, 2018 06:04 PM (yM/Yl)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 08, 2018 06:04 PM (8+Ozj)
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 06:04 PM (LiyEm)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 08, 2018 06:04 PM (dnWSK)
Every store should do it. Such a stupid, stupid idea.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 06:04 PM (39g3+)
Agreed, and Jackson actually LIKED killing people more than any of them. Teddy put on a good show but he was always a rich kid at heart. Jackson grew up poor, mean and nasty, and never changed.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2018 06:04 PM (k1TUh)
Posted by: Skip at January 08, 2018 06:04 PM (aC6Sd)
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 08, 2018 06:04 PM (1me8P)
At Waco, the FBI and BATFE managed to incinerate 20 children and about 70 people in total.
In Nevada, no one died.
Posted by: rd at January 08, 2018 06:04 PM (4dz1m)
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 06:05 PM (LiyEm)
Posted by: Hands at January 08, 2018 06:05 PM (EzdLW)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 08, 2018 06:02 PM (dnWSK)
Those dangerous Ranchers. Duh.
Posted by: Ficus of Liberty at January 08, 2018 06:05 PM (09tFn)
DON'T TALK TO THE MEDIA, LOSER!
That goes doubly for anyone who has even flirted with registering as a Republican or actually read an NRO article once in their youth.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 08, 2018 06:05 PM (4ErVI)
There's a reason Mary was so crabby.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 08, 2018 06:05 PM (ul9CR)
Geo Washington was LITERALLY protected by God it seems...
if we are discussing having the guys at their physical peak I'd go with George....
their age in Office, Teddy Roosevelt....
limiting it to simple hand to hand or one melee weapon Jackson.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 08, 2018 06:05 PM (SzZnW)
Sorry, but "The People" are superior to "The Government."
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
Again, I'm not saying that the government was correct in the shooting; I don't really know. What I'm saying is that "my family has grazed this land for a long time" doesn't mean it's yours.
Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 06:05 PM (LAe3v)
Yeah but he kept them in jars, they were other presidents he killed and kept them as trophies.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 06:05 PM (39g3+)
For the same reason the Dept of Education has a SWAT team?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 08, 2018 06:05 PM (tRaq7)
Lincoln would do well, but had no military experience or training.
Lincoln served with the Illinois Militia during the Black Hawk War
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at January 08, 2018 06:06 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: The GOPe and pearl clutching liberals everywhere at January 08, 2018 06:06 PM (WQ3tJ)
Last I checked, federal law trumps state law on this issue.
Obama through Holder told his federal prosecutors not to pursue the law much as he did with illegals.
Lots of state have adopted sanctuary laws in defiance of federal law. Should we support that to or follow the law in this case?
Posted by: JackStraw at January 08, 2018 06:06 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Archer at January 08, 2018 06:06 PM (gbWkA)
Six foot eight weighs a fucking ton:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7iVsdRbhnc&feature=youtu.be
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at January 08, 2018 06:06 PM (qJtVm)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at January 08, 2018 06:01 PM (mpXpK)
It started long before Obama became president.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 08, 2018 06:06 PM (wYseH)
Posted by: jsg at January 08, 2018 06:07 PM (bwN1x)
Every store should do it. Such a stupid, stupid idea.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 06:04 PM (39g3+)
-------
The state or local legislature will soon make that illegal.
Notice how the gas pump signs listing the state and Federal gasoline tax bite aren't there anymore?
Posted by: rd at January 08, 2018 06:07 PM (4dz1m)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January
well, that makes sense, how else are they going to get the test scores up?
Posted by: ---.-./-.--- - at January 08, 2018 06:08 PM (GFAq1)
Posted by: Skip at January 08, 2018 06:04 PM (aC6Sd)
To enforce Common Core.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob - Resolution: 'positive thinking'...like that'll do any good. at January 08, 2018 06:08 PM (4CCz5)
I hope you are waiting to take your GRE's but currently in a bathroom stall.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 08, 2018 06:08 PM (8+Ozj)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at January 08, 2018 06:08 PM (3BFzK)
Posted by: sofa saver at January 08, 2018 05:30 PM (4u7kU)
............
He finally took my advice and started using Toppik.
Posted by: Don Lemon with masking tape on his forehead at January 08, 2018 06:08 PM (HgMAr)
Memory's rusty on this, but I think the Fed's did some hand waving and said the land grants were never valid, therefore they didn't have to acknowledge them.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2018 06:08 PM (k1TUh)
Posted by: kraken at January 08, 2018 06:08 PM (pL6Vz)
She not only lost several years of her life but those early 20s years are some of the BEST years.
She'll get over it.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 08, 2018 06:08 PM (rTCJ6)
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 08, 2018 06:08 PM (ul9CR)
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 06:05 PM (LiyEm)
Pam Grier says hi.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. With jaunty propeller beanie. Hopping all around. at January 08, 2018 06:08 PM (dEQP3)
Deadly, lucky, physically mighty, skilled. He wins, in the end.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 06:08 PM (39g3+)
Except "it does"...
The cattle at Ft Hood are protected and in the event of loss caused by training a family gets paid going back to the disposition of the land settlement for the base being created BECAUSE "it is ancestral grazing land predating America."
I have little issue granting more moral standing to near century plus long legacy use than I do the feds usurping control with a pen.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 08, 2018 06:09 PM (SzZnW)
Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 06:09 PM (LAe3v)
What. Make that NOT waiting to take your GREs :^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 08, 2018 06:09 PM (8+Ozj)
http://www.bouncyvideos.com/meet -jake-fromms-mom-lee-fromm/
Posted by: Ficus of Liberty at January 08, 2018 06:09 PM (09tFn)
Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 06:05 PM (LAe3v)
Actually... as stated above, in common law, it did.
That changed, because environmentalists, and certain powerful Politicians, wanted them off the land for different reasons.
Posted by: Don Q. at January 08, 2018 06:09 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at January 08, 2018 06:09 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: Jean at January 08, 2018 06:04 PM (yM/Yl)
Thy didn't try any legal methods, they just came in and fenced it off and told the ranchers they would have to pay an outrageous fee for grazing on "their" recently stolen land. Most of the ranchers kowtowed and paid, Bundy and a couple of others refused.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at January 08, 2018 06:09 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 06:10 PM (LiyEm)
I think that was an Obama-era job, as I recall. When they raised the gas tax.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 06:10 PM (39g3+)
https://tinyurl.com/noqbdjd
Posted by: Miklos, and his guilty pleasures at January 08, 2018 06:10 PM (zCyNd)
Posted by: Taft in the octagon at January 08, 2018 06:10 PM (89T5c)
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at January 08, 2018 06:10 PM (ILitO)
Well, I don't want to brag but they did call me Old Hickory.
Posted by: Zombie Andrew Jackson at January 08, 2018 06:10 PM (ul9CR)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 08, 2018 06:09 PM (8+Ozj)
I was going to say, that's was really mean, Fenelon.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. With jaunty propeller beanie. Hopping all around. at January 08, 2018 06:11 PM (dEQP3)
Of course, Cameron has now come out with an official statement denying the aide's comments, but the aide's comments sound like a pretty accurate assessment of Obama, so it's probably what Cameron really said about El Douche.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at January 08, 2018 06:11 PM (fqUgw)
Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at January 08, 2018 06:11 PM (0OmEj)
Memory's rusty on this, but I think the Fed's did some hand waving and said the land grants were never valid, therefore they didn't have to acknowledge them.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2018 06:08 PM (k1TUh)
and thus not pay for them...
Posted by: Don Q. at January 08, 2018 06:11 PM (NgKpN)
He did and he was properly self-deprecating on what it taught him....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln_in_the_Black_Hawk_War
Posted by: sven10077 at January 08, 2018 06:11 PM (SzZnW)
Posted by: nip at January 08, 2018 06:12 PM (ECLaL)
But it was a funnier the first way! ;^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 08, 2018 06:12 PM (8+Ozj)
--Native Americans
There was a case when I was a baby, my family lived in New Mexico. On the local Navajo reservation, they did a bunch of improvements, including building a dam at their own expense, and were working on roads etc.
The federal government came and took the improved land away because they'd found uranium there. No explanations just "hey, thanks for all your work."
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 06:12 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 06:13 PM (LiyEm)
Posted by: Skip at January 08, 2018 06:13 PM (aC6Sd)
Posted by: kraken at January 08, 2018 06:13 PM (pL6Vz)
Posted by: Axeman at January 08, 2018 06:13 PM (vDqXW)
Posted by: jsg at January 08, 2018 06:13 PM (bwN1x)
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 06:14 PM (LiyEm)
Posted by: kraken at January 08, 2018 06:08 PM (pL6Vz)
George Washington said it best:
"Government is like fire, a dangerous servant and a fearful master."
Posted by: DR.WTF - Duke of Righteous WTF? at January 08, 2018 06:14 PM (T71PA)
The Keystone Kommando effect started in the waning days of the Clinton admin....
essentially every agency in the era was pitching itself as a potential terror target post OKC and sold itself as a tactical unit post 9/11.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 08, 2018 06:14 PM (SzZnW)
Posted by: Skip at January 08, 2018 06:15 PM (aC6Sd)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at January 08, 2018 06:15 PM (89T5c)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at January 08, 2018 06:15 PM (fA1SL)
My mother still lives in what might be described a s a ramshackle cottage she's owned for decades. The "lot" on which it stands is unusual, in that it used to be part of a much larger lot that long ago was subdivided and had four separate cottages built on it. (This was back int he 1890s, I believe.) Then, sometime I think in the '30s the large lot was subdivided into two lots: one with the cottage later to become my mother's, and the other side with three cottages on it. The crazy part is that they all share the same single driveway and "backyard" and what is essentially a mini-parking area behind the houses.
But when my mother bought this cottage back in the '70s, she got the county to re-survey the lots to determine exactly where the dividing line was between her lot and the neighboring lot which now had three structures on it. The survey revealed, shockingly, that 90% of the driveway and 100% of the back yard and 80% of the parking lot were all on my mother's land, whereas the lot with the three cottages had basically just the land the buildings were standing on. Up until that point, the owners had assumed that the driveway, yard and parking were all equally divided between the lots.
Anyway, all this extra land makes my mother's property much more valuable than it otherwise would have been.
Anyway, fats forward several decades and a new owner bought the three-cottages lot, and then, causally one day, asked my mother permission to use the driveway and use two of her parking spaces and part of the yard. In return, he said, he would "keep an eye on things" for her and mow the lawn.
Well, she agreed to this, foolishly, and then the years passed, and by now this neighbor guy acts likes he freakin' owns the whole common area/driveway/yard.
For example, when a friend of my mother once went to plant something in the back yard, the neighbor shooed her away, saying the land was "his." And now my mother have in-home helpers, and won't let them use ANY of the parking spaces, even though they are ALL on my mom's land, except for part of one.
My mother is now too old and decrepit to argue with him.
So, a while ago, I approached him to renegotiate access to the parking spaces, since now we needed them, and he began acting like an asshole, and then I traced on the ground the exact boundary line (which I knew by heart), re-pointing-out that all this land is actually my mother's. His reply?
"Not any more it isn't. I have easement rights, and there's nothing you can do about it. Legally, once an easement precedent has been set and establish ed for this long, it becomes permanent. I have the right to sue this land, and you don't."
Well then.
I know from the very beginning that his "casual" request to use the driveway had long-term sinister and very consciously devised goals -- that is, to establish easement rights -- and way back then I warned my mother about this very thing. But she brushed me aside and verbally agreed with the guy anyway.
Now, eventually, we're going to have a big clash about this: When my mother eventually passes away and the family tries to sell the property, its value will be severely diminished if there is a "easement rider" to the deed stating that the neighbor has permanent rights to use all the land.
And I suspect that I'd actually lose in court, because I researched it and the neighbor is correct: once an "easement" has been in sue for a number of years without dispute, it becomes a permanent feature of the land.
Sigh.
Posted by: zombie at January 08, 2018 06:15 PM (42M22)
Crooked County was not just losing out on the Soda Tax, but the county sales and gas taxes. If they went to Indiana, Illinois lost out on all those taxes too.
Posted by: rd at January 08, 2018 06:15 PM (4dz1m)
Posted by: Vanceone at January 08, 2018 06:15 PM (A9Gmy)
Posted by: cn at January 08, 2018 06:15 PM (5gaNQ)
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at January 08, 2018 06:15 PM (ILitO)
________________
The ranchers were white people. With guns. And jobs.
So clearly they had to be put in their place.
Posted by: Barry Obama at January 08, 2018 06:15 PM (fqUgw)
we won
Posted by: the cattle at January 08, 2018 06:15 PM (nBzBk)
1. Buchanan, the Lindsay Graham of his day.
2. Franklin Pierce was a handsome, handsome man. But not a knife-fighter.
3. Taft. No reach with that gut.
Kennedy's bad back probably rates him a mention.
FDR you say? That bastard would cut a bitch from his wheelchair.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 08, 2018 06:16 PM (ul9CR)
Did I say uh oh? I meant weeeeeeeeeee
Posted by: JackStraw at January 08, 2018 06:16 PM (/tuJf)
257 "Why wasn't the taking of the land grants an eminent domain claim?"
Memory's rusty on this, but I think the Fed's did some hand waving
and said the land grants were never valid, therefore they didn't have to
acknowledge them.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2018 06:08 PM (k1TUh)
and thus not pay for them...
Posted by: Don Q.
So, the fact that they got to use, free of charge, land that they didn't own means they now own the land? Were the "improvements" made with Federal approbation? If not, sucks to be you.
Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 06:16 PM (LAe3v)
"Article is out, but hidden behind paywall so can't read it," Page texted Strzok on Oct. 24, 2016.
"Wsj? Boy that was fast," Strzok texted back, using the initials of the famed financial newspaper. "Should I 'find' it and tell the team?"
... these clowns should be fired to gloss stupidity.
Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at January 08, 2018 06:16 PM (e8kgV)
BLM and DoI have been taken over by Goreons who think "nature" means "no commercial or motor recreational use ever"....
they want to live in a United States' Themed Theme Park inhabited and visited only by leftoid gentry.,
Posted by: sven10077 at January 08, 2018 06:16 PM (SzZnW)
Posted by: sofa saver at January 08, 2018 06:16 PM (4u7kU)
Posted by: kraken at January 08, 2018 06:13 PM (pL6Vz)
Because of turtles. No, I'm not kidding.
Some of the evidence that wasn't turned over was that there was no proof the cows smushed the turtles (fine, yes, tortoises).
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. With jaunty propeller beanie. Hopping all around. at January 08, 2018 06:16 PM (dEQP3)
Its not the only time. In fact, given how often this comes up, I suspect its standard procedure.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
if they don't fear losing their ability to earn a living, they are completely unregulated. other professionals don't do stuff like this. the bar is completely captured.
Posted by: Trump Knew His Father at January 08, 2018 06:16 PM (nFwvY)
Posted by: oddnot's waiting for the Happening and Big Ugly at January 08, 2018 06:16 PM (g1MTt)
ignores civil liberties and lies and cheats in an attempt to imprison
its opponents, then YES, that CAN threaten our entire society. So that
situation is always considered to be an order of magnitude worse than
the crime of any one individual can ever be.
Correct, this is why the "Hillary cannot be prosecuted" argument is
so pernicious, The more powerful and important a person you are, the
more damage you to do the whole of society when you do wrong, and the
more you must be punished, even if for something that a lesser known individual, someone without power, might get away with.
.
.
.Uh hillary, et. al. can't be prosecuted because there isn't a Grand Jury anywhere in the DC are that would recommend charges and even if you could cobble up one that would do that, no Jury would ever find her guilty.
Big difference between "can't be prosecuted" and "she would never be found guilty even if we could get her to a Jury trial".
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at January 08, 2018 06:16 PM (+Dllb)
Yep, millions died.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 08, 2018 06:17 PM (ul9CR)
Yeah, its basically a bastard way to steal land using someone's good nature. The fence thing is true a lot of places as well and its been used by people as well.
Ike and Grant were mostly staff, I don't see them doing really well in a personal fight. Zach Taylor, maybe but he was even worse a boozer than Grant.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 06:17 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: #neverskankles at January 08, 2018 06:17 PM (yYN4b)
Posted by: zombie at January 08, 2018 06:17 PM (42M22)
Posted by: kraken at January 08, 2018 06:19 PM (pL6Vz)
Posted by: Weasel at January 08, 2018 06:19 PM (Sfs6o)
Posted by: Skip at January 08, 2018 06:19 PM (aC6Sd)
Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at January 08, 2018 06:19 PM (m9Yt9)
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 06:19 PM (LiyEm)
Posted by: Miklos, and rusty blade at January 08, 2018 06:19 PM (zCyNd)
Sigh.
Posted by: zombie at January 08, 2018 06:15 PM (42M22)
But, you also have use of said easement... just park there, and if he bitches... say call the cops.
You allowed him use of the easement, that does not mean YOU cannot use it as well.
So, reclaim it...
Posted by: Don Q. at January 08, 2018 06:20 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 06:20 PM (LiyEm)
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 08, 2018 06:16 PM (ul9CR)
---
Those charioteer's wheels with the twirling scythes.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at January 08, 2018 06:20 PM (qJtVm)
Posted by: Skip at January 08, 2018 06:20 PM (aC6Sd)
Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at January 08, 2018 06:11 PM (0OmEj)
It's right there in the enumerated powers - purchase land for forts, armories, magazines, the capital DC.
BLM manages Fort Arizona, New Mexico Weapons Depot, etc.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 08, 2018 06:20 PM (Eu5eZ)
Posted by: Axeman at January 08, 2018 06:20 PM (vDqXW)
And I suspect that I'd actually lose in court, because I researched
it and the neighbor is correct: once an "easement" has been in sue for a
number of years without dispute, it becomes a permanent feature of the
land.
Yeah, its basically a bastard way to steal land using someone's good
nature. The fence thing is true a lot of places as well and its been
used by people as well.
When I bought my current house, my neighbor had planted a bunch of plants on my land and mowed well onto my propertyy. I told him not to mow my grass, and he told me he had a "gentlemen's agreement" with the previous owner because of the stupid lot layout his house had. I told him that when the neighbor bought my house back, he could renegotiate his agreement. No way was I letting that SOB claim eminent domain on my land.
Our relationship has been, shall we say, frosty.
Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 06:21 PM (LAe3v)
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 06:20 PM (LiyEm)
Nope. Ike never saw or commanded in combat.
Truman was an artillery captain in WWI.
Posted by: Miklos, IIRC at January 08, 2018 06:21 PM (zCyNd)
Okay, I'm a moron... so why did the Feds even care about some people's cows eating grass on land they didn't even do anything with in the first place?
Posted by: kraken
And besides, it's more than ten miles away from D.C.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 08, 2018 06:21 PM (IqV8l)
Carter would be cut down before he hurt anyone because he'd drop his knife and try to talk the fight out. Bill Clinton would sneak off and try to do Dolly Madison, and get one in the back from George Bush the elder, showing him a little something he learned in Quantico. Harrison would die before the fight started from pneumonia, while the rules were being read.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 06:21 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Trump Knew His Father at January 08, 2018 06:22 PM (nFwvY)
>>Some of the evidence that wasn't turned over was that there was no proof the cows smushed the turtles (fine, yes, tortoises).
Well that's one theory.
Another is that Harry Reid's son wanted the land for a huge solar project he was an investor in. The head of the BLM was Dirty Harry's former senior policy advisor and old Dingy sure did seem to take an active roll in the affair.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 08, 2018 06:22 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: jakee308 at January 08, 2018 06:22 PM (2R0TF)
Posted by: eleven at January 08, 2018 06:22 PM (+lOpA)
Posted by: Preston Brooks at January 08, 2018 06:23 PM (zCyNd)
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2018 06:23 PM (LiyEm)
Posted by: nip at January 08, 2018 06:12 PM (ECLaL)
............
Gimme a minute. One more coat of Toppik...*phhfffft*... there.
Posted by: Don Lemon with masking tape on his forehead at January 08, 2018 06:23 PM (HgMAr)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 06:24 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at January 08, 2018 06:24 PM (fA1SL)
Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 06:21 PM (LAe3v)
Do you and Rand Paul share a common neighbor?
Posted by: Foster Brooks at January 08, 2018 06:24 PM (zCyNd)
Andrew Jackson. No doubt about it. There's a reason they called him Old Hickory. He was about as tough of a bastard as you could find. He was shot several times and survived. Like dueling.
Maybe Washington could give him a run, but I doubt it.
Jackson would also use Obama as a shield.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 08, 2018 06:24 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: navybrat, keeping a low profile at January 08, 2018 06:24 PM (w7KSn)
"You don't fuck with me" said he.
Posted by: jakee308 at January 08, 2018 06:22 PM (2R0TF)
Yeah. Cheney, while in office, shot a guy.
Posted by: DR.WTF - Duke of Righteous WTF? at January 08, 2018 06:25 PM (T71PA)
He was certainly a bitter, petty little man by the time he narrated it. Don't know if he was always like that but in his own words in that book he did not come off well. Never got over Ike beating him and stewed bitterly over it till the end.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 08, 2018 06:25 PM (ul9CR)
it and the neighbor is correct: once an "easement" has been in sue for a
number of years without dispute, it becomes a permanent feature of the
land.
Yeah, its basically a bastard way to steal land using someone's good
nature. The fence thing is true a lot of places as well and its been
used by people as well.
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.It doesn't even have to be a fence. At our old VFW in CT we used the empty field behind our building that was part of the Wonder Bread Thrift store property as an overflow parking lot for 25+ years. They had zero issues with it as we mowed it and kept it clean.
Never had an issue until Wonder Bread went tits up in bankruptcy and they wanted to sell the place and everyone assumed the extra parking lot was part of our property but the survey said differently. Hilarity and lawyers ensued.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at January 08, 2018 06:25 PM (+Dllb)
Posted by: #neverskankles at January 08, 2018 06:26 PM (5FqXt)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 08, 2018 06:26 PM (4ErVI)
--
I'm not too ashamed to admit I didn't know what a cloaca was. The word 'unwiped' should've clued me in, but I never learn. Thanks for expanding my horizons, JJ!
Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at January 08, 2018 06:27 PM (mQ0Mc)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 08, 2018 06:27 PM (r+sAi)
Posted by: Ficus of Liberty at January 08, 2018 06:27 PM (09tFn)
Posted by: mrp at January 08, 2018 06:27 PM (Pqytn)
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 08, 2018 06:27 PM (ul9CR)
Posted by: Carl-hos Dang-yer at January 08, 2018 06:28 PM (PCb3o)
Posted by: Red Ryder PAC at January 08, 2018 06:28 PM (zCyNd)
Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at January 08, 2018 06:27 PM (mQ0Mc)
More like lowering.
Posted by: jakee308 at January 08, 2018 06:28 PM (2R0TF)
You allowed him use of the easement, that does not mean YOU cannot use it as well.
So, reclaim it...
Posted by: Don Q.
The problem is, the houses are in very close quarters, and I do not want to get into a dispute with this guy while my mother is still alive. He has, like, 17 family members living among the three buildings he owns, and he's the only one who speaks English, and there is a general sense of hostility. My mother has to live cheek-by-jowl with these people, and I don't want to cause her grief, as she's really old now.
I'll probably just leave the issue unresolved until my mother is no longer living there.
A solution that may happen is this: The guy DESPERATELY wants to buy my mother's cottage and re-unify the entire original lot, and created his own family mini-empire with all the land and all the buildings. I have no problem selling it to him AT FULL MARKET VALUE, that is. He thinks he's going to bully her to sell it to him under market value, but he's in for a sad surprise.
I will list it -- or threaten to list it -- at full price...and if he caves and pays what it's worth, fine, the land is his. But if not - which would mean me selling the land for a somewhat diminished price due to the easement issue - -then he'll have to continue his battle with the new owner.
The thing is, he blundered by revealing to me how desperately he wants my mom's property. I will take advantage of that and get him to pay for his dream to come tru.
Posted by: zombie at January 08, 2018 06:28 PM (42M22)
And as I said, Nixon would play dead until the end and try to get a backstab for the win.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 06:29 PM (39g3+)
This seems like a good thread to include my rant about the RealID Act of 2005.
Before 2020 you will need proof of citizenship. You get this proof of citizenship from your local Country Clerk's office in the form of a new Birth Certificate that complies with the requirements set out in the RealID Act of 2005, assuming your county clerk can issue one, assuming your county still has the record of your birth, assuming those county records won't lost in a fire sometime before the Digital Era began, and assuming your County Clerk's Office transitioned to the Digital Era in a timely fashion.
Before 2020 you should visit your local post office and apply for a US Passport, and while you are doing that, also apply for the de facto National ID card known as a 'passport card'.
After 2020, when the RealID Act of 2005 takes full effect, you are going to need proof of citizenship to enter any federal building, including Veteran's Administration office buildings, apply for a state driver's license, or fly on a commercial airliner.
My US Citizenship has been called into question by my local state office that issues driver's licenses, and I'm not yet certain how I am going to be able to prove my citizenship to the satisfaction of state bureaucrats in that office.
It is a worry, a major worry, and I do not know how it is going to work out.
GET YOUR NATIONAL ID CARD AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. You are going to need it.
This is not a joke. You can google it.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at January 08, 2018 06:29 PM (GroCc)
Posted by: Skip at January 08, 2018 06:29 PM (aC6Sd)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 08, 2018 06:29 PM (IqV8l)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 08, 2018 06:30 PM (8+Ozj)
Foreign invasion of American Soil!!!!!
/snark...
I'm in Calif., I understand...
Posted by: Don Q. at January 08, 2018 06:30 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at January 08, 2018 06:30 PM (fA1SL)
Posted by: Malloy at January 08, 2018 06:30 PM (FdNEK)
Posted by: #neverskankles at January 08, 2018 06:30 PM (212Zi)
Posted by: Skip at January 08, 2018 06:31 PM (aC6Sd)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 06:31 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: zombie at January 08, 2018 06:28 PM (42M22)
Let it slip that the local govt is looking for a place for a police substation....
Posted by: Milagro Marketing at January 08, 2018 06:31 PM (zCyNd)
Posted by: #neverskankles at January 08, 2018 06:30 PM (212Zi)
Hope he wins big.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 08, 2018 06:32 PM (8+Ozj)
Affirmative action FTW!
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 08, 2018 06:32 PM (EoRCO)
Posted by: Malloy at January 08, 2018 06:30 PM (FdNEK)
No... Operation Linbacker, 3.....
Posted by: President Nixon at January 08, 2018 06:33 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Malloy
Obama too, but he'd shoot himself in the uterus trying to pull it out of his mom jeans.
Posted by: Trump Knew His Father at January 08, 2018 06:33 PM (nFwvY)
It really doesn't matter so much about what your feelings are about Bundy's claim to the land. The real issue here is what Obama did with the DOJ and the same DOJ was used against Trump.
https://tinyurl.com/yaezsu6t
Posted by: JackStraw at January 08, 2018 06:33 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at January 08, 2018 06:34 PM (fA1SL)
Posted by: andycanuck at January 08, 2018 06:34 PM (QCX64)
Posted by: pep at January 08, 2018 06:21 PM (LAe3v)
When I first moved in my house in the Berkshires, my neighbor, who lives down by the road, about 1500 ft away, came up with his brother to complain about my golden "stealing" shit off his porch. You know the type,keeps everything they own on their porch. His brother suggested that I should move back to TX. I made them a counteroffer of kicking both their asses,just to make it fair. We don't talk much anymore
Posted by: sofa saver at January 08, 2018 06:34 PM (4u7kU)
--Andrew Jackson
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 06:34 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Skip at January 08, 2018 06:31 PM (aC6Sd)
Get your brackets set!
Posted by: josephistan at January 08, 2018 06:35 PM (ANIFC)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 08, 2018 06:31 PM (39g3+)
Now... if Patton HAD made it to President?
He'd give ole Hickory a run for the title...
Decorated for Bravery... Olympic Athlete (Modern Pentathalon... )
Posted by: President Nixon at January 08, 2018 06:35 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: sofa saver at January 08, 2018 06:34 PM (4u7kU)
Wow... that went well
Posted by: eleven at January 08, 2018 06:35 PM (+lOpA)
Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at January 08, 2018 06:35 PM (m9Yt9)
Posted by: #neverskankles at January 08, 2018 06:30 PM (212Zi)
Hope he wins big.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 08, 2018 06:32 PM (8+Ozj)
The interesting thing is that he is doing it as a class action, which is not how he could potentially get the most money personally.
Posted by: Miklos, in a class by himself at January 08, 2018 06:35 PM (zCyNd)
Posted by: CM9000 at January 08, 2018 06:36 PM (/JJ3i)
Posted by: eleven at January 08, 2018 06:36 PM (+lOpA)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 08, 2018 06:36 PM (r+sAi)
Posted by: Skip at January 08, 2018 06:31 PM (aC6Sd)
Reagan/Katana vs any of you bitches
Posted by: jsg at January 08, 2018 06:37 PM (bwN1x)
Nobody on the Dem side. Hilz would collapse, Bernie's ancient and fragile and what's his name, O'Malley? would sing anti-knife folk songs.
PDT's a contender, despite his age he's got stamina and his balls have their own balls. Christie could probably handle a knife. Cruz, maybe. I bet Carly could surprise a few people.
Carson may have actually pulled knives as a youth but c'mon, the guy can barely keep his eyes open these days. Jeb!...uh, no. Pubio, no...Rand didn't do well in his last fight...Kasick, no...
I think I'd go Christie vs. Trump, Trump wins.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at January 08, 2018 06:37 PM (ul9CR)
Posted by: kraken at January 08, 2018 06:37 PM (pL6Vz)
Posted by: F.N.G. at January 08, 2018 06:38 PM (kiSdp)
Posted by: eleven at January 08, 2018 06:35 PM (+lOpA)
He doesn't come around to borrow shit or ask for help , a big plus
Posted by: sofa saver at January 08, 2018 06:38 PM (4u7kU)
Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at January 08, 2018 06:39 PM (0OmEj)
Leftist twitter nuts claiming BLM and Forestry lost the case on purpose because Trump ordered them to (and the judge too).
Good.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 08, 2018 06:39 PM (rTCJ6)
Posted by: Skip at January 08, 2018 06:31 PM (aC6Sd)
Get your brackets set!
Posted by: josephistan at January 08, 2018 06:35 PM (ANIFC)
Mortal Kombat with Presidents. Or Injustice with Presidents and World Leaders.
Why have these games not been made!!!?!
Posted by: Ficus of Liberty at January 08, 2018 06:39 PM (09tFn)
Leftist twitter nuts claiming BLM and Forestry lost the case on purpose because Trump ordered them to (and the judge too).
Because that's what they'd do.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at January 08, 2018 06:39 PM (rTCJ6)
Posted by: F.N.G. at January 08, 2018 06:38 PM (kiSdp)
Yeah, I think Lincoln was pretty physically fit... he actually worked and all...
Posted by: kraken at January 08, 2018 06:39 PM (pL6Vz)
I think that's better actually-that he does it as a class action.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 08, 2018 06:40 PM (8+Ozj)
Posted by: CM9000 at January 08, 2018 06:40 PM (/JJ3i)
Posted by: kraken at January 08, 2018 06:37 PM (pL6Vz)
He had Chester A. Arthritis.
Posted by: josephistan at January 08, 2018 06:40 PM (ANIFC)
Posted by: F.N.G. at January 08, 2018 06:38 PM (kiSdp)
Yeah, I think Lincoln was pretty physically fit... he actually worked and all...
Posted by: kraken at January 08, 2018 06:39 PM (pL6Vz)
He is in the Wrestling Hall of Fame
Posted by: josephistan at January 08, 2018 06:41 PM (ANIFC)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at January 08, 2018 06:41 PM (fA1SL)
Posted by: Skip at January 08, 2018 06:46 PM (aC6Sd)
to need proof of citizenship to enter any federal building, including
Veteran's Administration office buildings, apply for a state driver's
license, or fly on a commercial airliner.
My US Citizenship has been called into question by my local state
office that issues driver's licenses, and I'm not yet certain how I am
going to be able to prove my citizenship to the satisfaction of state
bureaucrats in that office.
It is a worry, a major worry, and I do not know how it is going to work out.
GET YOUR NATIONAL ID CARD AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. You are going to need it.
This is not a joke. You can google it.
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.While that may be the law it's not going to happen. There must be 25 separate buildings on the grounds of the small VA where we live, there is no way they can control those access points with manned stations, that simply is not going to happen.
Can't imagine what would happen at the VA in Dallas, that place is a maze of small and large buildings with dozens and dozens of access points with literally thousands of people coming and going 24/7.
It would take another TSA size effort just to support this law and as I said, not happening.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at January 08, 2018 06:55 PM (+Dllb)
Well - I give you this thread.
No matter what the Police do, Federal, State, or Local ... no matter whom they kill ... there's a line of thought that "they got what's coming, because they didn't comply".
I've said it before, I'll say it again, as long as I'm around it'll be said ... If the Authorities say "Line up for the Gas Chambers" ... Republicans will form lines. And Bitch - because people like me fight back.
Posted by: ScoggDog at January 08, 2018 06:58 PM (fiGNd)
Posted by: andycanuck at January 08, 2018 07:11 PM (QCX64)
I knew the instant I heard about it that it was Murder, and Janet Reno deserved to fry, as did every Fed Agent on that site.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2018 07:40 PM (V2Yro)
According to the Gerry Spence book ... that was the crux of the Federal Case against Randy Weaver. He was weird. He got what he had coming.
I'm no more a Republican or a Conservative than I am a Brain Surgeon. I'd rather be called a Faggot ... which I ain't.
Posted by: ScoggDog at January 08, 2018 07:46 PM (fiGNd)
Even Brazil was able to prosecute their female president (and other South American countries as well).
Who is the real Third World country?
BTW, I understand this judge was not supportive of the defendants--the prosecutors must have been truly criminal for her to do this.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at January 08, 2018 09:28 PM (Ndje9)
1. Appears that Cliven represented himself in the original BLM/lease case. Its no wonder he lost, he argued immaterial stuff that no fed judge would ever accept. Think the guys that argue that the income tax amendment wasn't "properly" adopted kinda stuff. Equivalent of flying saucer arguments.
2. My recollection is that to enforce the judgment from the lease case, the feds brought in armed officers to take possession of Bundy's cattle, which they ultimately killed. There is an insider/whistle blower report out there on the web of how law enforcement behaved.
3. The Malheur occupation arose from another BLM case: the Hammonds. The government charged them with arson of a field and filed under a terrorism statute with mandatory minimums. The facts are hazy on how the fire started, some weird facts. The judge gave them the equivalent of time served. I think the middle aged son went to prison for a couple of years and then got out. Meanwhile the feds had appealed the sentence arguing that the judge couldn't reduce the minimum terrorism sentence. 9th Circuit sent the guy back. I think the elderly dad too.
4. Something left out of the recent coverage is the fact the feds are prosecuting a FBI agent who was on the hostage team in the Finnicum case. Every member of the FBI hostage/sniper said they had not fired at Finnicum. Well they all covered up that one had shot at Finnicum twice [one hitting the pickup] as he was exiting the vehicle before he made his "furtive move" and before the Oregon State Police finished him off. Conspiracy buffs latch onto the fact that the audio part of the video recording was never released. [Also knowing "feds" I do not know why they would let the mere OSP take the "kill" positions.] Some recent Oregonian articles state that the trial judge is trying to get the 6 firearm discharge reconstruction experts to agree to the "hot tub" method, whatever the hell that is.
5. I read a recent article from a weekly Malheur County newspaper. Apparently there is uranium on BLM property in that county. Guess what outfit had an interest in it [although the article says it was transferred to an LLC] Uranium One. Nothing I've read alleges the Hammond property having any proximity to uranium deposits. So ultimately it probably signifies nothing.
6. The Hammonds got royally screwed. No Bundy antics.
Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at January 08, 2018 09:57 PM (hKi6n)
200 comments before the truth gets said! For shame. I love lots of you people but some of this shit is deadly serious and your shitposting.
Posted by: Shiggz at January 09, 2018 03:54 AM (CvNpE)
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