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Checkin' In With the #SalonHot25: David Frum Has a Great Idea of How Liberal States Can Avoid the "Unfair" New Rules on Deducting State and Local Taxes: A National Carbon Tax!!!
True Conservatism and Enduring Principles you can rely on:
How to fix the regional unfairness of the Republican tax plan? The president's climate trolling tonight shows us how : tax carbon https://t.co/hqmsOlA0LV
— David Frum (@davidfrum) December 29, 2017
Those extra funds, squeezed disproportionately from states like California, Maryland, New Jersey, and New York, just suffice to offset the revenue loss from the GOP's tax cuts to corporations and pass-through businesses.Hang on, buddy. Those states impose those taxes themselves, and citizens of those states routinely elect politicians who say we should tax people at higher rates. Why shouldn't they actually have to live by their own decisions, instead of being subsidized by the rest of the country (by allowing them to deduct their high state taxes from their federal tax payments), and thus held harmless from their own political prescriptions? He goes on to say that the move should not be undone, because this true blue conservative just generally likes higher taxes. And he's not quite done yet.
It's very odd that the "conservatives" claiming to be most filled with Sacred Honor are simultaneously the most liberal, isn't it? Meanwhile, Vox is also trying to cook up schemes to help wealthy liberal taxpayers avoid paying the higher taxes they all claim they want to pay:
Rather than restore these deductions, which have subsidized bad policies, especially in the blue states, the right way to redress Republican sectional chauvinism is by addressing the biggest subsidy to the worst policies of the red states--and especially their profligate spewing of greenhouse gases. Just as the blue states have used the mortgage and state-and-local deductions to offload the cost of their generous state governments, so red states have inflicted on others the climate consequences of their lifestyles. The map of carbon-intensity by state looks like the map of state and local spending, upside down. The top five most carbon-efficient jurisdictions are D.C., New York, California, Vermont, and Massachusetts. The five worst: Wyoming, North Dakota, West Virginia, Alaska, and Louisiana. A carbon tax of $15 per ton would raise something over $700 billion over the next 10 years. That money would a) very neatly balance the 2017 GOP revenue raid on blue-state tax deductions, b) reduce the current carbon-dioxide emissions trajectory by about 10 perent, and c) reduce by half the GOP plan's estimated increase in the federal debt. The revenues from the tax would help to avert the impending cutbacks in Medicare and other health programs about which the GOP House leadership is now noisily contemplating.
GOP tax reform has led Vox to propose abolishing the income tax in blue states so rich people can keep those now-nondeductable over-the-cap taxes. Trump really does make them go bonkers. https://t.co/IvubJX0VFL
— Gabriel Malor (@gabrielmalor) December 28, 2017
Under current law, taxpayers not claiming the standard deduction can deduct both their state and local property taxes, and either their state and local income taxes or their state and local sales taxes, whichever is higher. The Republican bill added a new $10,000 maximum for all state and local tax deductions, effectively raising taxes on wealthy people in those states and reducing a key federal subsidy that makes it easier for states to charge high taxes on rich residents. A few possible options have emerged to evade the new limit, reduce taxes on blue state residents, and reduce future pressure for state tax cuts that the federal law could create. New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, a Democrat, and the government of DC are urging residents to prepay their 2018 property taxes in 2017, so they can still be deducted. Another route would be for states to create dollar-for-dollar tax credits for all charitable contributions made to the state government. Charitable donations are still deductible under the GOP, so reclassifying state taxes as charity would enable residents to still deduct them at the federal level. But perhaps the most promising option, teased by a large group of tax law experts and vocally championed by prominent liberal economist Dean Baker, is for states to repeal their income taxes and replace them with employer-side payroll taxes. This might appear like a minor technical change. But it would not only totally offset the new limit on deducting state taxes -- it would amount to a sizable tax cut for many middle-class families and would vastly simplify tax preparation by freeing people up from filing their own state taxes.So the idea is to make the employer pay taxes, not the employee. This is thus not income to the employee, and so escapes the tax. Note that this burdens job creation. Also note that since people can still in fact deduct state and local taxes -- up to $10,000 -- Vox is now championing various dodges so that high income people can specifically avoid "paying their fair share." Strange, isn't it? It's almost like it's all just a culture war, and that progressives believe in exactly none of the things they claim to believe. You want to pay higher taxes, babies? Well here's your big chance.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Traveling Man at December 29, 2017 12:20 PM (R5lpX)
Posted by: Traveling Man at December 29, 2017 12:21 PM (R5lpX)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 29, 2017 12:21 PM (wjryW)
What's the point of being a "conservative" if you're going to support every d@mn progressive idea that comes down the pike?
Posted by: Lizzy at December 29, 2017 12:21 PM (W+vEI)
addressing the biggest subsidy to the worst policies of the red
states--and especially their profligate spewing of greenhouse gases
If he truly believed this was a problem, he could go a long way to solving it by shutting his f***ing gob.
Posted by: pep at December 29, 2017 12:22 PM (LAe3v)
Oxen. Goring. Some squealing required.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 29, 2017 12:22 PM (pNxlR)
Posted by: Rick in SK at December 29, 2017 12:22 PM (FZYNt)
It's a *feature*, not a bug; functions as designed.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 29, 2017 12:23 PM (W+vEI)
If he's a conservative, I'm Marie, the Queen of Romania.
Posted by: pep at December 29, 2017 12:23 PM (LAe3v)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 29, 2017 12:23 PM (wjryW)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 12:23 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 29, 2017 12:23 PM (ujg0T)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 12:23 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: David Frum at December 29, 2017 12:23 PM (tAJt0)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 12:24 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: David Frump at December 29, 2017 12:24 PM (vtcmf)
Posted by: Rick in SK at December 29, 2017 12:25 PM (FZYNt)
The streetwalker can chew gum and walk at the same time.
Posted by: pep at December 29, 2017 12:25 PM (LAe3v)
Mr. Fump:
Perhaps those who live in blue states might want to actually elect politicians who will lower taxes and concomitantly the size of their state governments?
Call me, Chunky.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 12:25 PM (mbhDw)
They never fail to fail.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 29, 2017 12:25 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 29, 2017 12:26 PM (IqV8l)
Unless you are an illegal immigrant.
Then, it doesn't apply at all.
Posted by: garrett at December 29, 2017 12:26 PM (tAJt0)
Posted by: steevy at December 29, 2017 12:26 PM (LiyEm)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 29, 2017 12:26 PM (c8EhQ)
Anytime I hear the words "liberal economist" I know the next words will be excruciatingly stupid.
Hold it right there, buster. They're experts. Experts, I say!
Posted by: pep at December 29, 2017 12:26 PM (LAe3v)
Posted by: David Frump at December 29, 2017 12:24 PM (vtcmf)
Commentator Commie-Curious.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 12:27 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: Sponge at December 29, 2017 12:27 PM (Zz0t1)
Why there could be cannon fire and dueling law enforcement officers each trying to arrest the other.
Posted by: Hank Uflinski at December 29, 2017 12:27 PM (KdDCu)
The streetwalker can chew gum and walk at the same time.
Posted by: pep at December 29, 2017 12:25 PM (LAe3v)
My answer was going to be:
"I might actually care what the streetwalker has to say about tax policy."
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 29, 2017 12:27 PM (AURKQ)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 29, 2017 12:27 PM (c8EhQ)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 29, 2017 12:27 PM (wjryW)
Posted by: steevy at December 29, 2017 12:26 PM (LiyEm)
I guess Stetler, then, is an undescended testicle.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 12:27 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: David Frump at December 29, 2017 12:28 PM (vtcmf)
Maybe he meant "unconscionable." Then he'd be right.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 29, 2017 12:28 PM (c8EhQ)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 29, 2017 12:27 PM (c8EhQ)
Like my flippin' cat is a Thought Leader.
Posted by: rickl at December 29, 2017 12:28 PM (xjiRE)
Posted by: x at December 29, 2017 12:29 PM (nFwvY)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 29, 2017 12:29 PM (c8EhQ)
What's the point of being a "conservative" if you're going to support every d@mn progressive idea that comes down the pike?
Posted by: Lizzy at December 29, 2017 12:21 PM (W+vEI)
I think a lot of these guys are trying to impress liberal women in their lives.
Posted by: josephistan at December 29, 2017 12:30 PM (ANIFC)
Posted by: irongrampa at December 29, 2017 12:30 PM (S/hVx)
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at December 29, 2017 12:30 PM (ILitO)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 29, 2017 12:30 PM (wjryW)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 29, 2017 12:27 PM (c8EhQ)
Like my flippin' cat is a Thought Leader.
Posted by: rickl at December 29, 2017 12:28 PM (xjiRE)
My cat pinches off Tootsie-Roll turds more interesting than Frum.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 12:31 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: goon at December 29, 2017 12:31 PM (EaQ6/)
How do you pre-pay a tax that hasn't been assessed yet?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 29, 2017 12:31 PM (0R8lo)
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 29, 2017 12:31 PM (AURKQ)
Posted by: Todd Kneeling, Discovered Bigfoot at December 29, 2017 12:31 PM (VFat/)
Posted by: MAGA at December 29, 2017 12:31 PM (LnOh3)
Well here's your big chance.
Exactly.
I have yet to have an argument with a progtard about taxes,
where they don't say, "I don't mind paying higher taxes..."
Welp, have at it, retards.
Posted by: naturalfake at December 29, 2017 12:31 PM (E3rQ4)
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 29, 2017 12:31 PM (AURKQ)
Posted by: tu3031 at December 29, 2017 12:31 PM (O5Q3r)
Posted by: Sponge at December 29, 2017 12:31 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: steevy at December 29, 2017 12:31 PM (LiyEm)
She leaves the Gobbers to David, though.
Posted by: garrett at December 29, 2017 12:31 PM (tAJt0)
David Frum: Making America Grate. Again and Again and Again.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 12:31 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: shibumi at December 29, 2017 12:31 PM (aT+Bx)
Good day to you sir!
Posted by: Sen. Mike Castle (Dickhead- DE) at December 29, 2017 12:32 PM (326rv)
Posted by: Bonecrusher at December 29, 2017 12:32 PM (JNTt1)
Posted by: fluffy at December 29, 2017 12:32 PM (Sh+wb)
Posted by: Under Fire at December 29, 2017 12:32 PM (r9UYA)
Posted by: Blue Staters at December 29, 2017 12:32 PM (oVJmc)
I thought it was patriotic to pay taxes and anyone who tried to avoid paying taxes was unamerican? When did that change?
And a payroll tax is really going to inspire business to hire more of those $11 hour minimum wage workers.
Posted by: Hank Uflinski at December 29, 2017 12:32 PM (KdDCu)
deductions to offload the cost of their generous state governments
Robbing the population = 'generous' state government
Another route would be for states to create dollar-for-dollar tax
credits for all charitable contributions made to the state government.
Charitable donations are still deductible under the GOP, so
reclassifying state taxes as charity would enable residents to still
deduct them at the federal level.
Don't pay taxes, pay charity equal to the tax required of you? Sounds kind of islamic to me (the interest thing). And only a progressive would consider funding the government to be a charity.
Posted by: Methos at December 29, 2017 12:32 PM (XQvuQ)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 29, 2017 12:32 PM (5y11N)
All my employer will do is fiddle with my income so that I get the same, or less, take home pay.
Do these people really think companies will just absorb that cost?
They do, don't they?
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Now with Santa hat. Hopping all around. at December 29, 2017 12:32 PM (dEQP3)
Note: The Beatles' "Taxman" is a song (and a warning); not an instruction manual.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 12:32 PM (mbhDw)
How do you pre-pay a tax that hasn't been assessed yet?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 29, 2017 12:31 PM (0R8lo)
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The only people that can prepay are the rich with the disposable income to do it.
Posted by: MAGA at December 29, 2017 12:32 PM (LnOh3)
Posted by: goon at December 29, 2017 12:32 PM (EaQ6/)
Posted by: x at December 29, 2017 12:33 PM (nFwvY)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 29, 2017 12:32 PM (5y11N)
"...with this one neat trick!"
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 12:33 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: Benji Carver at December 29, 2017 12:33 PM (OD2ni)
This is alomst as retarded as you can get. Almost.
Posted by: garrett at December 29, 2017 12:33 PM (tAJt0)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 29, 2017 12:33 PM (oVJmc)
They can't be serious, or if they are I've been vastly overestimating the intellectual capacity of the opposition for decades. They seriously going to hit up an employer $10k or more PER EMPLOYEE. That is more than job retarding, that will kill businesses by the score.
I live in a blue state, and I have employees, and I can tell you right now that if Vermont tries something that stupid (and I would not put it past them) salary's will be decreased to compensate. If they make some law that says you can't do that then termination notices will go out and I'll mail the office keys to the state.
Posted by: moon_over_vermont at December 29, 2017 12:34 PM (kUmUV)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 29, 2017 12:31 PM (0R8lo)
The first and/or 2nd quarter may have already been assesses?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 29, 2017 12:34 PM (5y11N)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 29, 2017 12:34 PM (fA1SL)
Posted by: Sponge at December 29, 2017 12:34 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Boxy McBox truck at December 29, 2017 12:34 PM (326rv)
Some are really cold (makes sense, they probably burn more heating oil in Wyoming then they do in Florida), but there's also a few oil states and a coal state involved.
So I'm guessing he's counting the production of oil in Alaska & North Dakota (oil we all use in all 57 states + the rest of the world) as carbon USED by alaska & nd. Same with oil refined in LA (and/or shipping in to and out of New Orleans, which again benefits the entire country).
I don't know. I could make any of these lists say whatever the fuck I want them to say.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 29, 2017 12:34 PM (F5+ro)
Posted by: Insomniac - Bah humbug! at December 29, 2017 12:34 PM (NWiLs)
Is it wrong for me to think it would be funny if Frum froze in the dark sometime soon?
Posted by: Furious George at December 29, 2017 12:34 PM (j+dfT)
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The ChiComs have a different response. They are temporarily exempting US companies from Chinese taxes in an effort to get them to stay. (Link to NYT)
http://nyti.ms/2ljHFzD
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, The Persistence! at December 29, 2017 12:35 PM (+y/Ru)
Wasn't the Frump the one that used to bite the bubbles in the bathtub?
Posted by: Sponge at December 29, 2017 12:34 PM (Zz0t1)
IIRC Frump was Morticia Addams' maiden name.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 12:35 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 29, 2017 12:35 PM (F5+ro)
And yet, they are trying to do it.
Heard a story yesterday about people lining up at town halls in upstate NY demanding to pay next year's property taxes only to be told they can't because new assessments haven't been done yet.
The good news for them is that their property taxes will soon be going down. Bad news is because their property is going to start being worth less.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 29, 2017 12:35 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 29, 2017 12:36 PM (AURKQ)
Posted by: Queef Olberdouche's Rubber Duckie at December 29, 2017 12:36 PM (vtcmf)
And now the Paolo is the only man that impresses them.
Posted by: The Paolo at December 29, 2017 12:36 PM (BrQrN)
Maybe places like PG County Maryland can stop wasting taxpayer money with petty BS like taking down the "Welcome to Maryland" sign as New York Ave becomes Route 50. The libs are pissed because it says "Maryland is open for business" with the name of the Republican gov.
Posted by: Benji Carver at December 29, 2017 12:36 PM (OD2ni)
Good day to you, sir!
Posted by: Bill Kristol at December 29, 2017 12:36 PM (O5Q3r)
Posted by: x at December 29, 2017 12:36 PM (nFwvY)
LMAO
And she get's paid for those nuggets of gold?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 29, 2017 12:36 PM (5y11N)
Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at December 29, 2017 12:37 PM (2FqvZ)
Posted by: jsg at December 29, 2017 12:37 PM (0+DvI)
You can't prepay taxes (according to my local government) until the tax warrants have been certified, the IRS won't accept the deduction.
Posted by: irongrampa at December 29, 2017 12:38 PM (S/hVx)
Posted by: Lizzy at December 29, 2017 12:21 PMi
So that one, and one's spouse, gets invitations to all the 'right' parties, weddings, etc., of course.
Posted by: GOPe at December 29, 2017 12:38 PM (ctuyM)
Posted by: goon at December 29, 2017 12:38 PM (EaQ6/)
Is it wrong for me to think it would be funny if Frum froze in the dark sometime soon?
Posted by: Furious George at December 29, 2017 12:34 PM (j+dfT)
Yeah, that the reason Calif. is on the list? They buy energy from out of State... and because they already Tax carbon, a lot of industry moved away...
Posted by: Don Q. at December 29, 2017 12:38 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Hank Uflinski at December 29, 2017 12:38 PM (KdDCu)
Wow. Frum and Vox are absolutely ignorant of any basic economic knowledge.
Under Frum's carbon plan the 50 people that live in Wyoming will pay about $15 total annually. NYC cab fares would increase rapidly not to mention food and product delivery. As if carbon emissions were a problem anyway.
Vox thinks corporate taxes are paid by corporations. Uh no, they reduce what corporations can pay employees. See $1000 bonus stories.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 29, 2017 12:38 PM (r+sAi)
When you factor in how much I emit when people rent me to get their asses out of four of five of those places, the savings ain't all that great.
Posted by: Boxy McBox truck at December 29, 2017 12:38 PM (326rv)
Enact a brand new tax on everyone to help the people who will pay more in tax.
My head hurts.
Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at December 29, 2017 12:37 PM (2FqvZ)
As long as everyone who pays taxes gets to keep as a slave two people who don't for a period of two years.
Just throwing it out there, people.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 12:38 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 29, 2017 12:38 PM (/odH0)
We're really only talking about a small minority of people who have more than $10k a year in SALT taxes, but more itemized deductions than the $24k standard deduction.
In other words: fairly wealthy people utilizing lots of "tax loopholes" as it were.
So why is the left crying to defend the top 2% or 1%?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 29, 2017 12:38 PM (F5+ro)
This is alomst as retarded as you can get. Almost.
Posted by: garrett "
Montgomery County, Maryland is doing the same which should surprise no one.
Posted by: Benji Carver at December 29, 2017 12:38 PM (OD2ni)
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Teased? TEASED?
WTF?
I'm picturing the experts presenting their 'proposal' while running in circles and giggling.
Top. Men.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 29, 2017 12:39 PM (TwzNB)
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 29, 2017 12:39 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 29, 2017 12:39 PM (ty7RM)
Just tax white trucks.
Winning. Posted by: J.J. Sefton
Blow my tailpipe.
Posted by: Boxy McBox truck at December 29, 2017 12:34 PM (326rv)
Grease my shaft
Posted by: Dr. Axle at December 29, 2017 12:39 PM (lKyWE)
I nutted
Posted by: x at December 29, 2017 12:39 PM (nFwvY)
Posted by: torabora at December 29, 2017 12:39 PM (irC44)
Hahaha - Best part is, the State can't jack up their assessments with impunity, anymore.
Is that marble in the Foyer?
Is that a genuine Field Stone Fireplace?
Is that a Soapstone Sink!?
Posted by: garrett at December 29, 2017 12:39 PM (tAJt0)
Posted by: Archer at December 29, 2017 12:40 PM (gbWkA)
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at December 29, 2017 12:40 PM (aMlLZ)
No power generation to speak of inside the state, buy almost all of it from somewhere else. We had a nuclear plant once, but the greenie weenies saw to that. Can't speak for Massachusetts.
Posted by: moon_over_vermont at December 29, 2017 12:40 PM (kUmUV)
Good day to you, sir!
Posted by: Bill Kristol at December 29, 2017 12:36 PM (O5Q3r)
that's because the definition of Conservative changes by what Conservatives think...
and as WE are the only true Conservatives... you are no longer in the club!
Posted by: Egg McMuffin at December 29, 2017 12:40 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: jsg"
I think Huckabee tried something similar in Ark a few years ago when some libs complained about his tax cuts. I do not believe any extra money was collected.
Posted by: Benji Carver at December 29, 2017 12:40 PM (OD2ni)
Posted by: steevy at December 29, 2017 12:40 PM (LiyEm)
Posted by: Cjw at December 29, 2017 12:40 PM (pg8cS)
People with enough spare change to prepay a $10,000 property tax bill aren't exactly on my give-a-shit list as tax 'victims'.
Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at December 29, 2017 12:41 PM (2FqvZ)
Just borrow what the feds need every year.
I call it the "Illinois" Plan.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 29, 2017 12:41 PM (EoRCO)
Depends on your income and other factors. Tax rates are coming down across the board and standard deductions like child credits are going up.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 29, 2017 12:41 PM (/tuJf)
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This is about me, isn't it?
Posted by: Anthony Weiner at December 29, 2017 12:41 PM (TwzNB)
He must have really worked himself into a sweat to come up with that crap.
Posted by: Cheri at December 29, 2017 12:41 PM (oiNtH)
I'm very tired of the Prog. talking point "we blue states pay for you welfare queen red states" and would like to know the source of that, whether the statistics are true.
I'm wondering if the metric is 'total federal spending' meaning that, for example, the funds spent on Texas includes all the numerous Air/Army/Naval Air bases, etc.
However, if the metric is welfare "entitlement" spending I'm willing to accept that. I just don't like disingenuous statistics cherry picking.
Posted by: Sphynx at December 29, 2017 12:41 PM (OZmbA)
Posted by: Hank Uflinski at December 29, 2017 12:38 PM (KdDCu)
That's true. I don't know what uses "more carbon" -- burning 500+ gallons of diesel fuel in the winter to heat your house (and still using AC in the summer, it gets hot up north in the summer, too) or running the AC in the summer.
I'm not sure. I would imagine in, like, AZ, they probably use more carbon on their AC then we do on our heat... but for a lot of the country, it's not "my balls are little stuck to the side of my leg" hot for 6 months out of the year like it is "holy shit my nose hairs froze" cold in New England for 4 or so months.
IDK.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 29, 2017 12:41 PM (F5+ro)
Immortan Joe/Bullet Farmer - a balanced ticket.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 29, 2017 12:41 PM (fA1SL)
Posted by: Concerned People's Front Splitter Chapter at December 29, 2017 12:41 PM (2X7pN)
Posted by: torabora at December 29, 2017 12:39 PM (irC44)
and for the last year? Its brought in ZERO Revenue....
#winning?
Posted by: Egg McMuffin at December 29, 2017 12:41 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 12:41 PM (OX/RF)
I 'sperge on things sometimes. This "taxes as charity" is I think the biggest difference between Them and Us.
Charity is voluntary. It's giving half of my first ever paycheck ($5) to the Jimmy Fund. Taxes are what you pay to keep the government from literally showing up with literal guns to put you in jail.
Why do they think taxes are a good thing?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 29, 2017 12:41 PM (fuK7c)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 29, 2017 12:42 PM (wjryW)
Posted by: steevy at December 29, 2017 12:42 PM (LiyEm)
The mandatory nature of progressive "charity" in a nutshell.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 29, 2017 12:42 PM (WbIyz)
btw, nice proof-reading Cuck Frum.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 12:42 PM (OX/RF)
Posted by: Fritz at December 29, 2017 12:42 PM (A1FgP)
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 29, 2017 12:39 PM (2DOZq)
I believe the $10,000 limit is on state and local tax deduction only.
So you can still deduct mortgage (I forget if the interest only up to $750k is still in there) and charity and whatever and then state and local taxes to $10,000.
I still get very confused as to what the Strategic Arms Limitation Talks have to do with the 2017 tax bill.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Now with Santa hat. Hopping all around. at December 29, 2017 12:42 PM (dEQP3)
Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at December 29, 2017 12:41 PM (2FqvZ)
Oh, these wealthy people in NY and CT are paying wayyy more than $10k a year in property taxes.
Try $25k+ a year.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 29, 2017 12:42 PM (F5+ro)
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 29, 2017 12:43 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 29, 2017 12:43 PM (WbIyz)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 29, 2017 12:32 PM
It's just one of the profuse palette of professional services we provide our clients.
Posted by: Professional Pimps Association at December 29, 2017 12:43 PM (ctuyM)
Posted by: Fen's Law at December 29, 2017 12:43 PM (4xDJ5)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 29, 2017 12:41 PM (fuK7c)
Because they believe that all income belongs to the government first.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Now with Santa hat. Hopping all around. at December 29, 2017 12:43 PM (dEQP3)
So by taxing carbon it will reduce it??
How?
Magic?
As The People's $$ flows into Democrats' mandibles, carbon output will decrease? HOW?
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 12:43 PM (OX/RF)
Posted by: torabora at December 29, 2017 12:43 PM (irC44)
Posted by: War of maybe you shouldn't start a war when the only cannon you have are one that you stole at December 29, 2017 12:44 PM (326rv)
President Trump may try to invalidate the 2018 midterm elections to
avoid a Democratic Congress something the President cant actually do.
MSNBC (and CNN, and most of the media, really) is just boob bait for liberal bubbas.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 29, 2017 12:44 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 29, 2017 12:44 PM (fA1SL)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 29, 2017 12:26 PM (IqV8l)
Well he did suggest $15/ton so I'd guess ~$30.
Posted by: mugiwara at December 29, 2017 12:44 PM (clEIG)
Posted by: steevy at December 29, 2017 12:45 PM (LiyEm)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 29, 2017 12:44 PM (oVJmc)
Does that make Fox leg bait?
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 29, 2017 12:45 PM (AURKQ)
the intellectual capacity of the opposition for decades. They seriously
going to hit up an employer $10k or more PER EMPLOYEE. That is more
than job retarding, that will kill businesses by the score.
---
Businesses die.
People go on government assistance.
Democrats give them lots of benefits.
They vote Democrat for life and never work again
Democrats print more money.
Democrats are our perpetual rulers.
/see, there's a reason for this.
Posted by: shibumi at December 29, 2017 12:45 PM (aT+Bx)
Is used underwear still deductible.? Hic.
Posted by: Hillary at December 29, 2017 12:45 PM (OD2ni)
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 29, 2017 12:43 PM (2DOZq)
It's currently $12k, but is doubling under this plan to $24k.
To have more than $24k in deductions and still owe taxes, you're definitely in the 6 figures arena. And that's being pretty unrealistic, because youre going to have to spend money on living, too, which is of course, not deductible.
So I'd say we're talking mostly about people in the top federal tax bracket here.
You know, the top 1 or 2%.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 29, 2017 12:45 PM (F5+ro)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 12:42 PM
FIFY.
Posted by: zombie Mark Twain at December 29, 2017 12:45 PM (ctuyM)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 29, 2017 12:45 PM (oVJmc)
I use about 100,000 btu per hour to heat my home in the worst of the winter months, while 10,000 btu per hour will cool it nicely in the worst of summer. (Pennsylvania)
I'm sure the New England states are all in a similar boat.
Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at December 29, 2017 12:45 PM (2FqvZ)
No more filing jointly, you brutes!
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 29, 2017 12:45 PM (TwzNB)
A guest on MSNBCs Morning Joe oddly declared Friday that she is worried President Trump may try to invalidate the 2018 midterm elections to avoid a Democratic Congress something the President cant actually do.
She doesn't really believe this, of course.
Idiotic unhinged alarmism like this is designed to do one thing: Rouse the Rabble in an election year.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 12:46 PM (OX/RF)
Posted by: Hillary at December 29, 2017 12:45 PM (OD2ni)
Depends.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 29, 2017 12:46 PM (AURKQ)
Posted by: rickl at December 29, 2017 12:46 PM (xjiRE)
Amusing, or maybe depressing. Gov saying it's unseemly for people to be jockeying for a dying guy's seat. Yeah, OK, that might have been important 50 years ago, governor.
The unseemly thing is McCain's clinging to his seat like the dim Third World a**hole he is, when he should have resigned long ago so that his state had representation (and the country gained). THAT is vile and outrageous, governor.
Posted by: Farshimmelt Alte-Kocker, AKA rhomboid at December 29, 2017 12:46 PM (NDlpU)
That is so bitchy that I'm mad at you for thinking of it first.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 29, 2017 12:46 PM (fuK7c)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 29, 2017 12:46 PM (/odH0)
This is alomst as retarded as you can get. Almost.
Posted by: garrett "
Actually not. We paid our property tax bill due March 2018 this morning. We've been standard deduction since the kids all moved out, but itemizing works out to be very close to the standard deduction. For this one year the extra property tax payment may switch those numbers.
Posted by: moon_over_vermont at December 29, 2017 12:46 PM (kUmUV)
It's also a DOG WHISTLE to get one of Far Alt-Left do violence against Trump and Republicans.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 12:46 PM (OX/RF)
The top five most carbon-efficient jurisdictions are D.C., New York, California, Vermont, and Massachusetts. The five worst: Wyoming, North Dakota, West Virginia, Alaska, and Louisiana.
Cute how the use "carbon - efficient". I'll bet my bottom dollar that California and New York are still producing ten times more carbon gases than Wyoming. And notice the red states at the bottom of the list are all oil and gas producing states
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at December 29, 2017 12:47 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 29, 2017 12:44 PM (fA1SL)
Ohhhhhhh it's all makes sense now.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Now with Santa hat. Hopping all around. at December 29, 2017 12:47 PM (dEQP3)
Posted by: jsg at December 29, 2017 12:47 PM (0+DvI)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 12:46 PM (OX/RF)
As if they need a dog whistle.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 29, 2017 12:47 PM (/odH0)
The last study I saw concluded that it cost more to heat in the north than to A/C the South. This came out about the time that pricks in the Federal government wanted to ban A/C....their office buildings would, of course, be excluded.
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 29, 2017 12:47 PM (326rv)
btw, nice proof-reading Cuckleberry Frum.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 12:42 PM
FIFY.
Posted by: zombie Mark Twain
I like.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 12:47 PM (OX/RF)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 29, 2017 12:44 PM (fA1SL)
And we here at Crazy Boy Nuclear Arms Shop are here to support you!
Yes, buy our quality Atomic Bombs, made by the bestest North Korean Slave Labor available.
Just pay our low low prices... and add in shipping and Missile Fees... and you can be the first on your block to be a Nuclear Power!
Posted by: Kim Jong Unnnn at December 29, 2017 12:48 PM (NgKpN)
for heat in the winter but they sure do use electricity in the summer.
=====
But, but, but -- electricity just appears from the outlet -- right? /s
I've been banging the drum from years that cold kills so cold-weather states have a different attitude than more 'clement' states.
Posted by: mustbequantum at December 29, 2017 12:48 PM (MIKMs)
That is why I now identify as a 'reactionary' or if you prefer, counter-revolutionary.
Posted by: Hank Uflinski at December 29, 2017 12:48 PM (KdDCu)
Posted by: Queef Olberdouche's Rubber Duckie at December 29, 2017 12:48 PM (vtcmf)
File your taxes as you normally would under current code, and at the very top there will be a box:
"What tax rate, in percent, would you like to use to determine your liability?"
Then tax them at that rate.
See what happens.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 29, 2017 12:49 PM (AURKQ)
Anti-Carbonists are usually racist/misogynist, and they should be voted out of office. Expose them now.
Posted by: illiniwek at December 29, 2017 12:49 PM (otAqJ)
You can only blame conservatives for so long for things they had nothing to do with. Sooner or later people just want relief from the pain.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 29, 2017 12:49 PM (/tuJf)
Well here's your big chance.
In Massachusetts, there's an extra line on the state income tax form that allows you to pay more.
Naturally, almost no-one - and I mean no-one ponies up more bux. And when you call them on their hypocrisy, they always vomit back some variation of, "no, no, I'd love to pay more taxes, but. . . .
it's not fair if I'm the only one doing it!"
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 29, 2017 12:49 PM (kqsXK)
Do you guys have rolling blackouts because of extremely high usage?
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 29, 2017 12:49 PM (2DOZq)
2. A dollar-for-dollar tax credit in return for 'charitable' contributions ought to reduce their deductibility correspondingly. The tax credit is no less a thing of value received in exchange for the contribution than, e.g., baseball tickets won at a silent auction, or Downtown Abbey DVDs offered to donors during the PBS beg-a-thons.
Posted by: craig at December 29, 2017 12:49 PM (CX7SO)
Yeah, Suuuuuure! Go Ahead!
Try not paying your "Charitable Contributions."
Wait for the guys with guns to show up and take all your stuff.
That is Progressive Charity.
Posted by: rd at December 29, 2017 12:50 PM (4dz1m)
My new toaster oven arrived. My other went teets up.
I gotta say, it's not bad for $74.99 delivered.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 12:50 PM (OX/RF)
No, actually it appears from batteries, I've been reliably informed.
(By some liberal chick who chirped that as a viable source of energy for California instead of petroleum or nuclear power.)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 29, 2017 12:50 PM (/odH0)
Posted by: Queef Olberdouche's Rubber Duckie at December 29, 2017 12:50 PM (vtcmf)
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 29, 2017 12:51 PM (AURKQ)
The calluses are what makes it extra special!
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 29, 2017 12:51 PM (kqsXK)
So you can still deduct mortgage (I forget if the interest only up to $750k is still in there) and charity and whatever and then state and local taxes to $10,000.
Posted by: alexthechick
the mortgage interest deductions remains. it has been lowered from $1M to $750K for new mortgages. existing mortgages (originated prior to 1/1/201
$750K to $1M still have their mortgage interest deduction too.
Posted by: x at December 29, 2017 12:51 PM (nFwvY)
Next they will make a law requiring you to eat your brocolli....
Posted by: E.T. at December 29, 2017 12:51 PM (P1GJy)
Posted by: Taqyia2Me at December 29, 2017 12:52 PM (Ftuf+)
If only Howard Jarvis had lived to see the day.
Deeeelish!
Posted by: 13times at December 29, 2017 12:52 PM (WHVu+)
The key difference being, you are not the Governor.
Posted by: garrett at December 29, 2017 12:52 PM (tAJt0)
CA geniuses propose "charitable contributions" to, e.g., the school of your choice, apparently not having thought this through (first time for everything).
So now, class, which school will do better under that proposal, Beverly Hills High, or Compton High? Now, no peeking at the answer.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 29, 2017 12:52 PM (/odH0)
Do you guys have rolling blackouts because of extremely high usage?
Posted by: Roc Ingersol
Yes, we have, and we're in the mid atlantic region.
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 29, 2017 12:52 PM (326rv)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 29, 2017 12:31 PM (0R8lo)
We prepaid yesterday (NYS property taxes). We just gave them a check, they gave us a receipt. It only works for one year. That $10K limit is very low for a decent school district in this state (insert sad face).
If it had been a $20K limit, you wouldn't have heard as much screeching - but then that was the point, wasn't it? The screeching?
Note: we pay for more on our Florida condo taxes + HOA than we do on our home in NYS (and the NYS home is worth 3x the amount). The negative for us in the past were those HOA fees were not deductible. Now, it does even out the blue states calling everything a tax, and the red/purple states calling the same services a fee (non-deductible).
Posted by: Ann at December 29, 2017 12:52 PM (jtHQy)
Posted by: Big swingin Al at December 29, 2017 12:52 PM (VoEYx)
That's another thing!
I don't get it -- I thought the Blue Staters WANTED to pay more in taxes?!?!
So......Let Them.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 12:52 PM (OX/RF)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 12:35 PM (mbhDw)
You are correct, sir.
And her sister, Ophelia Frump, was played by - Carolyn Jones.
While Mother Frump was played by -
Margaret Hamilton.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 29, 2017 12:52 PM (kqsXK)
Posted by: irongrampa at December 29, 2017 12:52 PM (S/hVx)
Just sayin'.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 29, 2017 12:53 PM (ctuyM)
What would be great is if the feds add a surcharge on states that have a income tax exceeding 5%. Because clearly those are people that have the money to help the chilrens and elderlies.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 29, 2017 12:53 PM (r+sAi)
Next they will make a law requiring you to eat your brocolli....
Posted by: E.T. at December 29, 2017 12:51 PM (P1GJy)
?
Is that supposed to be a high number?
OMG, slightly less than two drinks per day!
The scandal! Good Heavens! Break out the hatchets!
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 29, 2017 12:53 PM (AURKQ)
Posted by: illiniwek at December 29, 2017 12:53 PM (otAqJ)
If only Howard Jarvis had lived to see the day.
Deeeelish!
Posted by: 13times at December 29, 2017 12:52 PM (WHVu+)
But there's a hefty component of the Democrat Party who are dying to 86 Prop. 13, but fear the backlash of doing so.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 29, 2017 12:53 PM (/odH0)
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic
It should be illegal for red states to sell oil & gas to blue states.
We shouldn't be helping them pollute.
I don't give a fuck where blue states get their heating oil and gasoline, nat gas and electricity generation.
More than 10 miles away from me & all.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 29, 2017 12:53 PM (0R8lo)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 12:53 PM (OX/RF)
I thought all a toaster was is using electricity to burn the outside of bread and a spring to make it jump out before it's too burned.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 29, 2017 12:54 PM (fuK7c)
Next they will make a law requiring you to eat your brocolli....
Posted by: E.T. at December 29, 2017 12:51 PM (P1GJy)
?
Is that supposed to be a high number?
OMG, slightly less than two drinks per day!
The scandal! Good Heavens! Break out the hatchets!
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 29, 2017 12:53 PM (AURKQ)
Maybe they meant two at a time, i.e., one in each hand.
That would make more sense.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 29, 2017 12:54 PM (/odH0)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 12:54 PM (OX/RF)
Posted by: moon_over_vermont"
The concern some have here in MD is that the pre-payers could get reamed by the IRS if audited since technically it is a 2018 tax assessment. I hope not.
Posted by: Benji Carver at December 29, 2017 12:55 PM (OD2ni)
Posted by: Bored383 at December 29, 2017 12:55 PM (70HTk)
Posted by: w at December 29, 2017 12:55 PM (vhrlk)
No Uni-Taskers in the Kitchen!
Posted by: Toaster Fucker at December 29, 2017 12:55 PM (tAJt0)
The attack ads almost write themselves.
But, the Stupid Party . . .
Posted by: Furious George at December 29, 2017 12:56 PM (j+dfT)
That's the dirty little secret here in Cali. The legislature passed a bill several years ago stating we had to have x% of our electrical needs supplied by renewable - i.e., "bad" electrical sources could not account for y% above a certain amount. They get around it by importing electricity so it counts as "green" or it doesn't count as "bad" generated power.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at December 29, 2017 12:56 PM (bB4HN)
Yeah, I'm not sure why they call these things Toaster Ovens when they're least good at toasting bread.
I mean, if you want lousy toast, use a toaster oven. The best toasters are, get this, Toasters. The old fashioned kind.
These "mini" counter-top ovens are great, tho. Except for toast. We ought to call them Mini Counter-Top Ovens.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 12:56 PM (OX/RF)
That would make more sense.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 29, 2017 12:54 PM (/odH0)
Well, i guess it is an average after all.
Which means i'm totally doing my part in holding up my end of the Gaussian distribution...
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 29, 2017 12:57 PM (AURKQ)
It is to boggle one's mind.
Posted by: Fritz at December 29, 2017 12:57 PM (A1FgP)
That's the dirty little secret here in Cali. The legislature passed a bill several years ago stating we had to have x% of our electrical needs supplied by renewable - i.e., "bad" electrical sources could not account for y% above a certain amount. They get around it by importing electricity so it counts as "green" or it doesn't count as "bad" generated power.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at December 29, 2017 12:56 PM (bB4HN)
Status: true.
Remember when the nuclear reactor in AZ went offline? Half of SoCal was facing an electricity shortage. Of course, part of the reason was that they'd taken the San Onofre reactor offline years ago, because.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 29, 2017 12:57 PM (/odH0)
Some go for decent money, too.
Posted by: garrett at December 29, 2017 12:57 PM (tAJt0)
---
I think I'm self identifying as a minarchist.
However... "anarcho capitalist" does have a better ring to it.
Posted by: shibumi at December 29, 2017 12:57 PM (aT+Bx)
How does that interfere with their sweet sweet graft? When they have less money to spread around, the demand goes up, and with it, the supply of bribes.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 29, 2017 12:58 PM (WbIyz)
Posted by: x at December 29, 2017 12:58 PM (nFwvY)
Lots of states have done that and quite a few people have made bank by putting up wind turbines and large solar arrays. Guaranteed profits.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 29, 2017 12:58 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: garrett at December 29, 2017 12:58 PM (tAJt0)
Yeah, Suuuuuure! Go Ahead!
-
If you don't charitably contribute, the government gives you free room and board.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, The Persistence! at December 29, 2017 12:58 PM (+y/Ru)
Posted by: Berkeley SJW at December 29, 2017 12:58 PM (ctuyM)
Here in Cali, our tax year runs Jul-Jun. Property taxes are due 12/10 and 4/10 (the late payment due dates w/o penalty). Since it was assessed for the 2017/2018 year that runs Jul/17 - Jun/2018, we can pay the April now and get the deduction.
You just can't "pre-pay" an assessment that hasn't been made yet. At least that was my understanding.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at December 29, 2017 12:59 PM (bB4HN)
Then after the left gets on board announce a tax amnesty for people in every state that voted for him. The left wants higher taxes? Let them pay ALL the taxes.
If we can have shamnesty on illegal immigration, why not on taxes?
Posted by: 18-1 at December 29, 2017 12:59 PM (Z8FFX)
Bills here are weird. We've had it in hand since last August. You are allowed to make two payments on it, the last being in March of the following year. Think it dates back to when everything here was driven by the times of year that farms received income, but not sure exactly how. Maple syrup maybe?
Posted by: moon_over_vermont at December 29, 2017 12:59 PM (kUmUV)
Posted by: E.T. at December 29, 2017 12:59 PM (P1GJy)
You have to wonder why any liberal would want to run for state level office in a blue state going forward. There is going to be nothing but pain and trying to manage bankrupt states.
There's a ton of graft money to be made in managing bankrupt states
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: ShainS at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (WohSw)
Posted by: sofa saver at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (4u7kU)
I'll bet dollars to donuts that by the end of the year, prepaying those taxes will not be allowed by the Feds.
The Tax is not due... heck not even accrued, as the tax could and probably will change... so how can you prepay something when you don't know what is due?
All you really have is a positive balance on your Tax account, with the State... ie, the State will get an interest Free loan from YOUR money... Money you could have used to invest in the now growing economy.
Posted by: Don Q. at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: batter at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (onDt/)
Posted by: Hank Uflinski at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (KdDCu)
Posted by: garrett at December 29, 2017 12:58 PM (tAJt0)
We have a Sea Lion Fund on the state income tax form.
I'm not making this up. Presumably it is intended to buy bullet proof vests for the sea lions to protect them from crazed wetbacks who just happen to find pistols on their park bench.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (/odH0)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 12:54 PM (OX/RF)
Yes.
IIRC, the episode was a flashback to when Gomez first met Morticia and fell for her, even though Mother Frump wanted him to marry Ophelia.
And if you thought Carolyn Jones was lovely, seeing her in pigtails was really eye-opening.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (kqsXK)
Posted by: moon_over_vermont at December 29, 2017 12:46 PM
~~~~~
Similar situation for us (NJ). We're paying first half of 2018 today. Accountant says it will get us back more on our 2017 return, and reduce our 2018 liability. After that...I got nothing.
It's worth it to take out $5G from brokerage account. Even with 10% return, we still make out better paying taxes up front. Thanks New Jersey!
Posted by: IrishEi at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (HiDrR)
By all the screaming and scheming being done in the blue states, this SALT kill really was the life blood of the Leftists. Their unmitigated and unending proposals for more taxes and more waste are gonna die quickly.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (r+sAi)
Posted by: sofa saver at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (4u7kU)
When you raise their rent?
Posted by: Don Q. at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (kqsXK)
That was a fantastic episode.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 29, 2017 01:01 PM (AURKQ)
(Note, every time I see anything by Nichols, I recall the Apology of Socrates. He should read it. But it wouldn't do much good.)
Posted by: George LeS at December 29, 2017 01:01 PM (+TcCF)
Posted by: sofa saver at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (4u7kU)
When you raise their rent, of course.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 29, 2017 01:01 PM (/odH0)
Fuck those things.
There should be a bounty on them.
Posted by: garrett at December 29, 2017 01:01 PM (tAJt0)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 01:01 PM (OX/RF)
The number of pitchfork wielding citizens also tends to go up.
Illinois seems to be the bell cow right now but it's just a matter of time. CA, IL and NY all lost over 100,000 people last year. The bills are skyrocketing and the population is shrinking and unlike the feds states don't have money printing machines.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 29, 2017 01:01 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: sofa saver at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (4u7kU)
When you raise their rent?
Posted by: Don Q.
When you lock their doors & evict them.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 29, 2017 01:02 PM (0R8lo)
We went solar a couple of years ago.
It used to be that the state/utility had to reimburse you at the rate they charged you if you put power back into the system. That cut revenue substantially. They changed it to a percentage.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at December 29, 2017 01:02 PM (bB4HN)
That's the dirty little secret here in Cali. The legislature passed a bill several years ago stating we had to have x% of our electrical needs supplied by renewable - i.e., "bad" electrical sources could not account for y% above a certain amount. They get around it by importing electricity so it counts as "green" or it doesn't count as "bad" generated power.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at December 29, 2017 12:56 PM (bB4HN)
Yep, that's how I'm reading the paper Frum bases his stupid list on. The state where the fuel is used on site gets dinged for having high emissions, even if the electricity is to be sent to another state. So CA gets a break for outsourcing its coal plants to AZ or wherever.
Posted by: stace at December 29, 2017 01:03 PM (6HFDU)
Posted by: JackStraw at December 29, 2017 01:01 PM (/tuJf)
CA actually gained slightly in population - when you count illegals. Leave No Lawn Unmown.
It's just the taxpayers who are leaving. The grifters, not so much.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 29, 2017 01:03 PM (/odH0)
1. The science behind global warming is wrong.
2. The public is realizing it.
3. We should immediately take advantage of this to compromise by enacting cap-and-trade.
"Conservatives can maintain their skepticism about global climate change, but that does not mean that a bit of prudential action might not be appropriate should it turn out that carbon emissions are indeed having a negative effect on climate."
The first part of the article was literally about how global warming science was wrong and losing public support because its wrongness was becoming obvious; the second part was that we should fight it anyway, with new taxes.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 29, 2017 01:03 PM (2lndx)
The bills are skyrocketing and the population is shrinking
The tax paying population is shrinking. The general population is increasing. Especially in Kali.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 29, 2017 01:03 PM (0R8lo)
Posted by: sofa saver at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (4u7kU)
When you hand them their eviction notice.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 29, 2017 01:03 PM (kqsXK)
Posted by: Hank Uflinski at December 29, 2017 01:03 PM (KdDCu)
Posted by: Benji Carver at December 29, 2017 12:55 PM (OD2ni)
My reading of the tax code ages ago was that you could either:
1. deduct the taxes in the year they accrued (you get a tax bill Dec 31st, go ahead and deduct)
2. deduct the taxes in the year they were paid
One method or the other, no switching. I think some people are raising an audit flag.
Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at December 29, 2017 01:04 PM (2FqvZ)
Posted by: Cheri at December 29, 2017 01:04 PM (oiNtH)
Posted by: sofa saver
_________
Right after you hand them their eviction notice.
Posted by: Furious George at December 29, 2017 01:04 PM (j+dfT)
LMAO
And she get's paid for those nuggets of gold?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 29, 2017 12:36 PM (5y11N)
Still waiting on Dick Cheney's secret Halliburton army to declare martial law and stop the 2008 election.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 29, 2017 01:04 PM (493sH)
It used to be that the state/utility had to reimburse you at the rate they charged you if you put power back into the system. That cut revenue substantially. They changed it to a percentage.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at December 29, 2017 01:02 PM (bB4HN)
Same here.
It's kinda like mandating mileage standards for cars, and then realizing that as a consequence gasoline tax revenue is dropping, hence recent proposals to tax miles driven rather than gasoline.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 29, 2017 01:05 PM (/odH0)
Here too. But I was referring to people doing it on the commercial level where states have passed laws mandating that the get x amount of power from green sources.
The whole scheme will collapse soon enough just like it has been in Europe for some time now.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 29, 2017 01:05 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: sofa saver at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (4u7kU)
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After they have been evicted, and you have changed all the locks.
Posted by: rd at December 29, 2017 01:05 PM (4dz1m)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 29, 2017 01:03 PM (0R8lo)
Que?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 29, 2017 01:05 PM (/odH0)
And David Frum is an idiot. It's a family trait.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 29, 2017 01:06 PM (d6iST)
Tell them that you had planned on raising their rent to cover the high cost of doing business, but that the recent tax cut will allow you to maintain their rent the way it is.
Offer to raise their rent anyway, and send it on to the federal government.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 29, 2017 01:06 PM (2lndx)
Posted by: ShainS at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (WohSw)
I have a My Pillow with his name on it.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 01:06 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 29, 2017 12:47 PM (326rv)
I believe it. Heating my house from the ambient 4 degrees to in the mid-50s (then running the wood stove to get the living areas warmer) should use more energy then cooling a house from 90 degrees to 70 degrees, I would think.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 29, 2017 01:06 PM (F5+ro)
I would tell them with kindness and warn them that it's not wise to potentially cause damage to their business by alienating half the population. They hate when conservatives are kind to them.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 29, 2017 01:07 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 01:08 PM (OX/RF)
This is sure as hell my experience. It costs a lot more here in Round Rock, Texas, to heat in the winter than to cool in the summer.
The New Year sub-freezing-all-day forecast is not going to help.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 29, 2017 01:08 PM (2lndx)
Posted by: Anonymous 7 at December 29, 2017 01:08 PM (CmQ5p)
Sorry your blue state asses are already over taxed locally, but that's your state's problem. Not Trump's tax cut's.
Posted by: Sponge at December 29, 2017 01:08 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 29, 2017 01:03 PM (0R8lo)
Que?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
*bufido
Posted by: rickb223 at December 29, 2017 01:08 PM (0R8lo)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 29, 2017 01:08 PM (7ZVPa)
Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 29, 2017 01:08 PM (vBp5w)
By all the screaming and scheming being done in the blue states, this SALT kill really was the life blood of the Leftists. Their unmitigated and unending proposals for more taxes and more waste are gonna die quickly.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk
apparently these assholes have been skating for decades. might be time for some clawback. I think the SC ruled retro taxes are supercool and fun.
Posted by: x at December 29, 2017 01:09 PM (nFwvY)
Posted by: Captain Hate at December 29, 2017 01:09 PM (y7DUB)
Posted by: sofa saver at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (4u7kU)
Park a white truck in front of the place
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 29, 2017 01:09 PM (493sH)
No, no, no.
Just play to their leftism.
Keep adding idiotic "fees" they can relate to, such as a...
White Privilege monthly fee of $100.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 01:09 PM (OX/RF)
While Mother Frump was played by -
Margaret Hamilton.
Wicked Witch?
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 12:54 PM (OX/RF)
Margaret Hamilton actually was kind of hot, when she was not made up as the WWotW.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 01:09 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: sofa saver at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (4u7kU)
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The way I see it, you have a set of keys to the place and, hopefully, a decent sized crawlspace. You merely need a tarp or two, some duct tape, shovel and quick lime and your ready to rent the space to another nice Hillary couple while retaining the security deposit. Profit and Winning!
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 29, 2017 01:09 PM (YV+SU)
"There is no collusion. And even these committees that have been set up. If you look at what's going on - and in fact, what it's done is, it's really angered the base and made the base stronger. My base is stronger than it's ever been. Great congressmen, in particular, some of the congressmen have been unbelievable in pointing out what a witch hunt the whole thing is. So, I think it's been proven that there is no collusion."
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, The Persistence! at December 29, 2017 01:09 PM (+y/Ru)
The New Year sub-freezing-all-day forecast is not going to help.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 29, 2017 01:08 PM (2lndx)
Well, you guys also use electricity to create heat, no? Which is like the most expensive way to heat a house.
Lots more BTU's / $ in oil and propane.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 29, 2017 01:10 PM (F5+ro)
Posted by: sofa saver at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (4u7kU)
Do they know about your Helpin' out Po' Folks fee ?
Posted by: jsg at December 29, 2017 01:10 PM (gSwpy)
It's worth it to take out $5G from brokerage account. Even with 10% return, we still make out better paying taxes up front. Thanks New Jersey!
Posted by: IrishEi at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (HiDrR)
I haven't even looked at what jersey will do to us. The only time me and the wife even talked about it was before the tax bill passed, and the conversation went like this.
Wife- they say we're going to lose the mortgage deduction.
Me- The house is paid off next year, we won't have a mortgage anyway, sooo...
wife- oh
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at December 29, 2017 01:10 PM (aMlLZ)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 29, 2017 01:06 PM (F5+ro)
Cooling my house from 100 to 80, is WAY more expensive per month, then warming my House from 30 to 70....
Summer bills are 2x to 3x higher....
Posted by: Don Q. at December 29, 2017 01:10 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Glenn John at December 29, 2017 01:10 PM (LilNs)
What a douchebag. Fuck you, David Frum!
Posted by: Chris M at December 29, 2017 01:10 PM (eAZVt)
That would take the IRS or Congress about 10 minutes to fix.
How about the state just lowers their income tax?
Posted by: Marcus T at December 29, 2017 01:11 PM (ITji5)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 01:11 PM (mbhDw)
Summer bills are 2x to 3x higher....
Posted by: Don Q. at December 29, 2017 01:10 PM (NgKpN)
I'm going by how much carbon is emitted, not by price. I'm saying in general, I would think that you use more energy to heat something by 50 degrees then you do to cool it by 20 degrees. but idk if that's true or if it only makes sense in my brain.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 29, 2017 01:11 PM (F5+ro)
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 29, 2017 01:09 PM (YV+SU)
Just get your aunts to give them elderberry wine and have "Teddy" take care of the yellow fever victims.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 29, 2017 01:11 PM (493sH)
required of you? Sounds kind of islamic to me (the interest thing). And
only a progressive would consider funding the government to be a
charity.
Posted by: Methos at December 29, 2017 12:32 PM (XQvuQ)
And charity has to be freely given, or it isn't charity. What happens when the taxpayers tell the State, "Fuck you. We're not feeling charitable today." ?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 29, 2017 01:12 PM (d6iST)
For some values of OMIGODOMIGODMYEYES.
http://bit.ly/2lqmwmo
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 29, 2017 01:12 PM (WbIyz)
What a douchebag. Fuck you, David Frum!
Posted by: Chris M at December 29, 2017 01:10 PM (eAZVt)
Q: What grows in greenhouses?
A: Food.
*mic drop*
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 01:12 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: Chris M at December 29, 2017 01:12 PM (eAZVt)
That should happen right around the time they cut the astronomical and growing pension liability they enjoy.
In other words, never.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 29, 2017 01:12 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 29, 2017 01:04 PM (493sH)
Speaking of the Warcock, he's been unusually quiet this year although an interview of him praising DJT would make the progs even more insane than usual.
Posted by: Captain Hate at December 29, 2017 01:13 PM (y7DUB)
Posted by: Chris M at December 29, 2017 01:12 PM (eAZVt)
No, but you are taking advantage of a (ahem) "tax loophole" in order to minimize your tax liability.
Which is fine, but many people utilizing the same "loophole" are also the ones screaming about how "the rich" dont pay their fair share and how they use loopholes to avoid taxes etc, etc, etc.
Something ironic in that, no?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 29, 2017 01:13 PM (F5+ro)
Because Frum only knows rich liberals in NY, CA, DC, and the MD suburbs of DC.
Posted by: Benji Carver at December 29, 2017 01:13 PM (OD2ni)
Should have added "...in a Pedro Almodovar/Picasso-woman sort of way."
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 01:13 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: Chris M at December 29, 2017 01:12 PM (eAZVt)
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Here come the one names.
Posted by: MAGA at December 29, 2017 01:14 PM (+EvKL)
wife- oh
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at December 29, 2017 01:10 PM
~~~~~
Nice! Congratulations.
Posted by: IrishEi at December 29, 2017 01:14 PM (HiDrR)
Not all of us, but yes, my house is electric-only. I'm hoping that by the time I have to replace my AC unit, heat pumps will be a worthwhile addition; though I doubt that will help at sub-32 temps.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 29, 2017 01:14 PM (2lndx)
I'm in a blue state, and I just prepaid $12,000 of next year's property tax. I have never voted for any Democrat, ever.
Who cares. I'm in a blue state, too. BY CHOICE. I'm free, as are you, to move.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 01:14 PM (OX/RF)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 29, 2017 01:14 PM (5y11N)
Posted by: Glenn John at December 29, 2017 01:14 PM (LilNs)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 29, 2017 01:04 PM (493sH)
Speaking of the Warcock, he's been unusually quiet this year although an interview of him praising DJT would make the progs even more insane than usual.
Posted by: Captain Hate at December 29, 2017 01:13 PM (y7DUB)
High school classmate of mine is his cardiologist and they coauthored a book last year.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 01:14 PM (mbhDw)
Lots more BTU's / $ in oil and propane.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
no. in Texas we use clean abundant natural gas for heat.
Posted by: x at December 29, 2017 01:14 PM (nFwvY)
thus not income to the employee, and so escapes the tax."
++++++++++
A point any economist worth his salt will make is that, no matter how you split employment taxes, it is ALWAYS the employee who pays them. Either they pay them directly from their pockets or they pay them through money that never reaches their pockets because they receive a lower wage on account of the extra money their employer has to send to the government.
Posted by: redbanzai at December 29, 2017 01:15 PM (rAIG/)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 01:15 PM (OX/RF)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 29, 2017 01:13 PM (F5+ro)
They twist tax avoidance and tax evasion together when it suits their purpose.
Posted by: jsg at December 29, 2017 01:15 PM (gSwpy)
"Sorry, Klinger, you're still not getting that Sec 8."
Posted by: mindful webworker's timely lateness at December 29, 2017 01:15 PM (Z1oBf)
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at December 29, 2017 01:15 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
The state shows up, shoots their dog, and breaks all of their stuff.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 29, 2017 01:15 PM (0R8lo)
I think he was addressing Frum. I could be wrong.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 29, 2017 01:15 PM (2DOZq)
But according to the IRS, $300,000ish in income puts you in the top 1 to top 2%. So, well, frankly, that IS the rich.
Most mega-billionaires don't pay themselves $100,000,000 a year in income. They may have a ton of wealth, but their actual income is not much higher than the $300,000 who are always bitching about raising the taxes on the rich.
There's a disconnect there, and I'm glad to see it coming home to roost, to be honest.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 29, 2017 01:15 PM (F5+ro)
Posted by: Benji Carver"
I should clarify that Frum would only associate with people from Montgomery County, MD. He would not be caught dead slumming it in PG county.
Posted by: Benji Carver at December 29, 2017 01:16 PM (OD2ni)
I am so outta here. About 40% of my neighborhood has moved in the past two years. This will push a good deal of the remainder out. There is simply no compelling reason to live in a state like NY anymore.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 29, 2017 01:16 PM (ITji5)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 29, 2017 01:16 PM (WbIyz)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 01:09 PM (mbhDw)
**Spock eyebrow**
Well, I suppose now I must confess my letch for Mary Wilkes.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 29, 2017 01:17 PM (kqsXK)
______________________
The good news is that you will pay less in taxes.
The bad news is that you will pay more for all the goods and services that you purchase from employers in your state, because all those employers will be raising their prices to compensate for the increased tax burden and increased tax reporting burden that will be imposed on them.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 29, 2017 01:17 PM (fqUgw)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 29, 2017 01:16 PM (WbIyz)
Last year your interest deduction must have been almost nothing right?
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 29, 2017 01:18 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: MAGA at December 29, 2017 01:14 PM (+EvKL)"
Do you think that my income tax is too low?
Posted by: Chris M at December 29, 2017 01:18 PM (eAZVt)
Posted by: Chris M
++++++
You're exploiting a loophole used by the wealthy to avoid taxes.
If you're a Republican, its not a problem. If you're a liberal, youre a hypocrite
Posted by: Apache at December 29, 2017 01:18 PM (uc45P)
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The whole point of having employees is they generate more income than it costs you to keep them working. If the work they do doesn't pay, you don't keep them around for long. This includes any taxes you would have to pay to the state to keep those employees on the payroll.
Posted by: Hank Uflinski at December 29, 2017 01:18 PM (KdDCu)
Remember mean old MRS OLSEN on Little House On The Prairie?
Yeah, JJ, she was kinda hot too.
Well, not really.
But she did have enormous mammaries.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 01:19 PM (OX/RF)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 29, 2017 01:16 PM (WbIyz)
Yeah, let's continue to pay thousands of dollars a year of interest to the bank so that we can not send a quarter (or whatever your tax rate is) of that interest to the government. OR, we can keep 75% of the money and give 25% to the govt. Instead of 75% to the bank, and 25% to us.
(I've had similar convos with my own friends and family, not trying to pick on the Mrs.)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 29, 2017 01:19 PM (F5+ro)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 29, 2017 01:11 PM (F5+ro)
Heat transfer coefficients of insulation don't really change... but...
A house being which you are trying to cool, has two ways its being heated... the Radiant energy from the sun, and the heat conducted to the walls from contact with the Air...
A House being heated, the energy transfer is just the opposite for conduction, as energy is going out... but there is only a small amount of radiant energy from your house (known as black body radiation...)...
So when cooling, you are fighting two methods of heat transfer... when heating really only one...
Which makes the difference...
Posted by: Don Q. at December 29, 2017 01:19 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Jean at December 29, 2017 01:20 PM (/LYxC)
Obama was able to make the IRS declare any war on any right-leaning political group.
Posted by: Apache at December 29, 2017 01:20 PM (uc45P)
Posted by: Chris M at December 29, 2017 01:20 PM (eAZVt)
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 29, 2017 01:21 PM (dKiJG)
Sister and BIL have an all electric house up in Hunt County (east of Dallas). I can heat my pool to 90 with gas cheaper than they can to keep their house at 67 with electricity. I won't have a house without gas even its in a tank on the yard.
Posted by: DanMan at December 29, 2017 01:21 PM (XTiHL)
It was still pretty substantial last year. I paid off the mortgage by liquidating some investment savings, inb one sense a bad deal because of the MAGA in the last half of this year but whatchagonnado?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 29, 2017 01:21 PM (WbIyz)
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 29, 2017 01:21 PM (YV+SU)
Yeah, JJ, she was kinda hot too.
Well, not really.
But she did have enormous mammaries.
Posted by: Soothsayer -"
Half-pint has huge boobies as well.
Posted by: Benji Carver at December 29, 2017 01:21 PM (OD2ni)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 29, 2017 01:12 PM (d6iST)
yadda, yadda, yadda, and you get a beer named after you.
Posted by: Samuel Adams at December 29, 2017 01:21 PM (AURKQ)
What has happened to NY since I grew up there in the 70's is nothing short of criminal. Just thinking about it makes me very angry.
Posted by: moon_over_vermont at December 29, 2017 01:21 PM (kUmUV)
Posted by: Apache at December 29, 2017 01:22 PM (uc45P)
Posted by: Socratease at December 29, 2017 01:22 PM (2GbWn)
(I've had similar convos with my own friends and family, not trying to pick on the Mrs.)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
Same, with intelligence folks. Withholding distortion field. End withholding!
Posted by: Jean at December 29, 2017 01:22 PM (/LYxC)
She gave the best Gobber in Walnut Grove.
Posted by: garrett at December 29, 2017 01:22 PM (tAJt0)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 01:22 PM (OX/RF)
Posted by: Marcus T at December 29, 2017 01:22 PM (ITji5)
Posted by: DanMan
--
Same here.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 29, 2017 01:22 PM (7ZVPa)
The funny part is, it's a Matchbox truck.
Posted by: zombie at December 29, 2017 01:23 PM (42M22)
It was still pretty substantial last year. I paid off the mortgage by liquidating some investment savings, inb one sense a bad deal because of the MAGA in the last half of this year but whatchagonnado?
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I'd watch out for your house price dropping to offset the property/state income tax ceiling. May be time to escape the Blue Model.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 29, 2017 01:23 PM (YV+SU)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 29, 2017 01:16 PM (WbIyz)
Yeah.... only a politician, and bankers... could come up with a scheme whereby you pay less taxes, if you are in debt to a bank...
As a way to increase 'home ownership'...
I own my home outright... I'm laughing right now...
Posted by: Don Q. at December 29, 2017 01:23 PM (NgKpN)
Zoo maintenance is costly, and those slaver dems love their zoos. I've been to one they call Newark, and jersey city, the other 3 or 4, like Camden, Patterson, Trenton etc will have to wait. Seen one you seen them all.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at December 29, 2017 01:23 PM (aMlLZ)
Weren't some of you saying recently Mrs Bellows was hot stuff??
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 01:23 PM (OX/RF)
Posted by: Hank Hill at December 29, 2017 01:23 PM (WbIyz)
Ah, Mrs. Olsen.
She had a mouth like a three day old lamb.
Posted by: Dr. Hiram Baker at December 29, 2017 01:23 PM (tAJt0)
I just rented some retail space in CT to a young couple. Their facebook
postings are full of over the top anti Trump stuff. At what point should
I tell them I voted for Trump?
Posted by: sofa saver at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (4u7kU)
************************************
Prolly should not tell. They are libs and will likely fail at their business, so don't be first in line to get stiffed.
Posted by: Bonecrusher at December 29, 2017 01:24 PM (JNTt1)
Which one was that? Nellie?
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter"
Laura (Melissa Gilbert). I think she is married to Poindexter from Revenge of the Nerds now.
Posted by: Benji Carver at December 29, 2017 01:24 PM (OD2ni)
The tax plan did a really good job getting rid of a lot of social engineering for a large swath of the population.
Posted by: Apache at December 29, 2017 01:25 PM (uc45P)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 01:25 PM (OX/RF)
No you actually don't. You are a serf paying annual rent to the lord of the manor, in this case the State. See how much you'll own if you choose not to make that payment.
Posted by: moon_over_vermont at December 29, 2017 01:25 PM (kUmUV)
I live in a fairly stable resort/retirement area. My home values hasn't varied more than 10% during the entire depression, as least per Zillow.
I am fortunate.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 29, 2017 01:26 PM (WbIyz)
Posted by: Soothsayer -"
I thought she was pretty. Not as hot as Felix Unger's ex-wife Gloria but pretty.
Posted by: Benji Carver at December 29, 2017 01:26 PM (OD2ni)
Posted by: Lex at December 29, 2017 01:26 PM (jQn9t)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 01:26 PM (OX/RF)
Weren't some of you saying recently Mrs Bellows was hot stuff??
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 01:23 PM (OX/RF)
She was no Mrs Kravitz
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at December 29, 2017 01:26 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 01:27 PM (OX/RF)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 29, 2017 01:27 PM (WbIyz)
Posted by: Jean at December 29, 2017 01:27 PM (/LYxC)
Posted by: dananjcon at December 29, 2017 01:27 PM (xqfqx)
So much for Anthropogenic Catastrophic Global Warming Theory.
Posted by: zombie at December 29, 2017 01:28 PM (42M22)
Imagine being this out of touch with fucking reality. This is like a whole 'nother spectrum of autism. No one can be this fucking obtuse.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 29, 2017 01:28 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: moon_over_vermont"
I grew up in upstate NY and agree with you completely.
Posted by: Benji Carver at December 29, 2017 01:28 PM (OD2ni)
No you actually don't. You are a serf paying annual rent to the lord of the manor, in this case the State. See how much you'll own if you choose not to make that payment.
Posted by: moon_over_vermont at December 29, 2017 01:25 PM (kUmUV)
Preaching to the choir...
Luckily.... I'm still covered by Prop 13 here in Clownifornia too...
Posted by: Don Q. at December 29, 2017 01:28 PM (NgKpN)
They took away all financial incentive for me to give to charity by raising the standard deduction so high.
Posted by: Chris M at December 29, 2017 01:28 PM (eAZVt)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 29, 2017 01:28 PM (fA1SL)
Posted by: Benji Carver
Horde knowledge is astounding.
Yes, she is.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 29, 2017 01:28 PM (0R8lo)
No you actually don't. You are a serf paying annual rent to the lord of the manor, in this case the State. See how much you'll own if you choose not to make that payment.
Posted by: moon_over_vermont
Except in Texas, right
Posted by: Jean at December 29, 2017 01:29 PM (/LYxC)
Posted by: x at December 29, 2017 01:29 PM (nFwvY)
And my tax bill due in February is $566, which gives you an idea that I'm not a high roller. My neighbor was already crying because she and hubby have rental properties in three or four school districts and NOT FAIR to pay multiple millages when they can vote in only one. She will probably want to complain some more about this.
Posted by: NaughtyPine at December 29, 2017 01:29 PM (G8B7r)
Posted by: moon_over_vermont"
I grew up in upstate NY and agree with you completely.
Posted by: Benji Carver at December 29, 2017 01:28 PM (OD2ni)
Still living, if you could call it that, here in Hymietown.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 01:30 PM (mbhDw)
The accountants told us to pay it. We were worried about an AMT trigger, but they said to go ahead and pay (it is due 2/15, so we have a bill). If it is a problem, it is a problem. Not the first time NYS or the Feds have fined us.
Posted by: Ann at December 29, 2017 01:30 PM (jtHQy)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 29, 2017 01:30 PM (0R8lo)
Financial Incentive and Charity are mutually exclusive.
Nobody can stop you from being Charitable.
Only you can do that.
Posted by: garrett at December 29, 2017 01:30 PM (tAJt0)
Posted by: x at December 29, 2017 01:29 PM (nFwvY)
Moore Head. QED.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 01:30 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 29, 2017 01:31 PM (ul9CR)
So the dollar for dollar tax credit will be taxable.
Posted by: MAGA at December 29, 2017 01:31 PM (+EvKL)
Posted by: moon_over_vermont at December 29, 2017 01:21 PM (kUmUV)
Since they've insisted on having those asshole Cuomos heading up the state, your scorn is well placed.
Posted by: Captain Hate at December 29, 2017 01:31 PM (y7DUB)
Posted by: moon_over_vermont"
I grew up in upstate NY and agree with you completely.
-------------------
My wife is from upstate and we vacation there every year to the let the grand parents/cousins get to know Future Leader. My estimate is upstate is nothing more than a tax farm and landfill for NYC. Its a very pretty tax farm and landfill, though.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 29, 2017 01:31 PM (YV+SU)
Posted by: Concerned Peoples Front at December 29, 2017 01:31 PM (2X7pN)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 29, 2017 01:31 PM (7ZVPa)
Posted by: Regular joe at December 29, 2017 01:31 PM (7PllL)
Posted by: Archer at December 29, 2017 01:32 PM (gbWkA)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton"
For any 25 year old lurkers from Media Matters, Jesse Jackson called NY Hymietown in the 80's so buzz off.
Posted by: Benji Carver at December 29, 2017 01:33 PM (OD2ni)
The idea of using payroll tax to replace SIT is even more unworkable.
What you get when the gentry class tries to get out of paying for the welfare state.
Posted by: standfast24 at December 29, 2017 01:33 PM (PNFIr)
Posted by: garrett at December 29, 2017 12:58 PM (tAJt0)
Hold on, I'm coming!
Posted by: Salmon Dave at December 29, 2017 01:34 PM (d6iST)
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 29, 2017 01:34 PM (ul9CR)
of State... and because they already Tax carbon, a lot of industry moved
away...
And it's undoubtedly per capita. I'm pretty sure NYS and CA produce a fuck of alot more carbon dioxide than, say, Wyoming.
Posted by: andycanuck at December 29, 2017 01:35 PM (QCX64)
Only you can do that."
Yup. I'm not changing anything. I guess I won't need to use the envelopes at church anymore, since I won't be reporting it.
Posted by: Chris M at December 29, 2017 01:35 PM (eAZVt)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada
But, after three generations, it's free - right.
Posted by: Jean at December 29, 2017 01:35 PM (/LYxC)
Not sure if you were agreeing with him or not, but yes less taxes a corp pays means its easier to keep employees.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 29, 2017 01:36 PM (r+sAi)
Posted by: Roman Polanski at December 29, 2017 01:36 PM (kqsXK)
They took away all financial incentive for me to give to charity by raising the standard deduction so high.
If the GOPe wasn't so obdurately clueless I'd say this was brilliant on their part. The Unpeople of Jesusland will continue to generously tithe to their churches because that's what they do. Meanwhile the misers on the left will go into full Scrooge mode regarding their dicksuck charity scams and dry those fuckers up because there's nothing tangible in it for them.
Posted by: Captain Hate at December 29, 2017 01:36 PM (y7DUB)
Rockefeller was little better. I saw what he did to Troy. My word, the city looked like pictures of Munich in 1945. Literal piles of rubble from demolished buildings mounded as high as could be left there for years - all in the name of "urban renewal". New York used to make things; GE, Kodak, Zerox, Coring Glass, foundries from here to forever employing tens of thousands of skilled workers. All gone now. (sorry, getting angry again)
Posted by: moon_over_vermont at December 29, 2017 01:36 PM (kUmUV)
Posted by: Glenn John at December 29, 2017 01:37 PM (LilNs)
Let them Sunset every 5 years and re-apply after a full audit.
Posted by: garrett at December 29, 2017 01:37 PM (tAJt0)
Posted by: Captain Hat"
It is really the public sector unions that control the state. Teachers and Healthcare workers being the most powerful. The politicians just serve their masters. And don't get me started on the rent control mobs when even minor reforms are proposed.
Posted by: Benji Carver at December 29, 2017 01:37 PM (OD2ni)
Posted by: garrett at December 29, 2017 01:37 PM (tAJt0)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 01:06 PM (mbhDw)
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Heh. It took me a minute to get that one -- great visual.
Posted by: ShainS at December 29, 2017 01:38 PM (ovJSS)
whole 'nother spectrum of autism. No one can be this fucking obtuse.
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Yes, they can. My house is worth x $ because the tax assessor say so. I made a great investment. Too bad, so sad if you really live there. This is how the bubbles are made . . .
Posted by: mustbequantum at December 29, 2017 01:38 PM (MIKMs)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton"
For any 25 year old lurkers from Media Matters, Jesse Jackson called NY Hymietown in the 80's so buzz off.
Posted by: Benji Carver at December 29, 2017 01:33 PM (OD2ni)
I once used that in one of my posts and Ace cautioned me against it, despite the fact that the-uh-Reverend-uh-JACK-ssuunn referred to us in that fashion loudly and publicly.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 01:38 PM (mbhDw)
The idea of using payroll tax to replace SIT is even more unworkable.
What you get when the gentry class tries to get out of paying for the welfare state.
Posted by: standfast24 at December 29, 2017 01:33 PM (PNFIr)
The carbon tax in Calif has had an interesting effect.
Carbon intensive industries moved out of State... there is NO revenue at all coming in from the Carbon Credit BS...
So carbon production moved to another place, taking those jobs with them.
Just like our own EPA created the conditions where we outsourced manufacturing to China, which just outsourced the production of pollution to China... because Transportation now costs less than the artificial cost of EPA regulation.
Posted by: Don Q. at December 29, 2017 01:38 PM (NgKpN)
If she ever had kids with Jimmy Durante
A schnoz for the ages.
Posted by: Glenn John at December 29, 2017 01:38 PM (LilNs)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 29, 2017 01:38 PM (kqsXK)
This will only apply to the people who itemize. And a huge number of them just disappeared.
Posted by: Chris M at December 29, 2017 01:38 PM (eAZVt)
Quite the schnoz.
Posted by: Glenn John at December 29, 2017 01:37 PM (LilNs)
Pedro Almodovar leading lady material.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 01:39 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: garrett at December 29, 2017 01:37 PM (tAJt0)
I don't think I'e ever met a Tabitha.
If she was hot, sure I would.
Posted by: rickl at December 29, 2017 01:39 PM (xjiRE)
It's coming back, but not fast enough.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 29, 2017 01:39 PM (fA1SL)
Isn't that like a rapper using the n-word?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 29, 2017 01:39 PM (WbIyz)
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 29, 2017 01:40 PM (AURKQ)
It's coming back, but not fast enough.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 29, 2017 01:39 PM (fA1SL)
The other edge of that sword is malignant trade unionism.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 01:40 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 29, 2017 01:41 PM (dKiJG)
Nelson Rockefeller, George Romney and William Scranton form the RINO Trinity.
Posted by: Captain Hate at December 29, 2017 01:42 PM (y7DUB)
All of this is why we should have a flat federal tax, otherwise it creates all kinds of perverse incentives, this new bill actually has people paying state taxes ahead of time!
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 29, 2017 01:42 PM (r+sAi)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 29, 2017 01:42 PM (WbIyz)
I have a feeling these state and local governments are encouraging the pre-payment of taxes so they get their hands on the money NOW instead of six to 12 months from now.
I also have a feeling the IRS is going to say, "Expense did not accrue in 2017, so NOT deductible on 2017 return. Period."
Meanwhile your state or local government will supply you with some crocodile tears.
Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at December 29, 2017 01:43 PM (2FqvZ)
Posted by: Hank Uflinski at December 29, 2017 01:18 PM <<<<<
Not sure if you were agreeing with him or not, but yes less taxes a corp pays means its easier to keep employees.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 29, 2017 01:36 PM
Yes, that was meant to be an agreement, however poorly stated.
I read a fragment of something to the effect that Thomas Jefferson was making an argument that keeping slaves was not economical. If you flip that over you can make the case that free people will work harder for less compensation than a slave would demand.
I've not tried to prove either of those conclusions, but they both ring true to me.
Posted by: Hank Uflinski at December 29, 2017 01:46 PM (KdDCu)
The top five most carbon-efficient jurisdictions are D.C., New York,
California, Vermont, and Massachusetts. The five worst: Wyoming, North
Dakota, West Virginia, Alaska, and Louisiana.
Turn those taps off and freeze a progressive asshat in the dark. Just like the late '70s bumpersticker.
Posted by: Count de Monet at December 29, 2017 01:46 PM (QLvwG)
The funny thing is, stories here aren't really touching on working families who can't afford to prepay a year's property tax in one of the highest-tax counties in the US. All that really matters from that perspective is that the rich liberals get their tax breaks.
Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at December 29, 2017 01:46 PM (eytER)
If the GOPe wasn't so obdurately clueless I'd
say this was brilliant on their part. The Unpeople of Jesusland will
continue to generously tithe to their churches because that's what they
do. Meanwhile the misers on the left will go into full Scrooge mode
regarding their dicksuck charity scams and dry those fuckers up because
there's nothing tangible in it for them. Posted by: Captain Hate at December 29, 2017 01:36 PM (y7DUB)
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Truth.
Posted by: mustbequantum at December 29, 2017 01:48 PM (MIKMs)
I have, actually. And to a tee, they are people on the wrong side of 45 with little to nothing to show for their lives. They go hard left in middle age because they are desperately looking for someone, other than themselves and their own poor decisions, to blame for their myriad of personal failures.
Posted by: wordsmith92 at December 29, 2017 01:48 PM (4XzXX)
Posted by: moon_over_vermont"
I grew up in upstate NY and agree with you completely.
Posted by: Benji Carver at December 29, 2017 01:28 PM (OD2ni)
Still living, if you could call it that, here in Hymietown.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 01:30 PM (mbhDw)
I've said before that I would have loved to live in upstate New York. It's so beautiful, but no way with the taxes. They've absolutely destroyed the rest of the state with high taxes. Drove out all the employers too.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 29, 2017 01:48 PM (4ErVI)
Financial Incentive and Charity are mutually exclusive.
Nobody can stop you from being Charitable.
Only you can do that.
Posted by: garrett at December 29, 2017 01:30 PM (tAJt0)
I agree... if you feel moved to give, give. The government should not enter into it.
Posted by: redbanzai at December 29, 2017 02:01 PM (3JA/M)
Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at December 29, 2017 01:43 PM
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I pre-pay my first quarter estimated federal taxes all the time. For state and local, you can only pre-pay that which has already been billed. We got our tax bill for 2018 about a month ago for quarters 1 and 2.
Posted by: IrishEi at December 29, 2017 02:06 PM (HiDrR)
Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at December 29, 2017 02:09 PM (o7l6R)
Let's see how this works:
"With the new tax law, in 2018 I can only deduct $10,000 of my $12,000 income tax. Changing to a payroll tax, I have no deduction at all. Of course I don't have $12,000 income taxes to pay, but I took a salary hit to offset it. So I'm still out that $12,000, but now none of it is deductible."
Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at December 29, 2017 02:34 PM (o7l6R)
Posted by: internet expert at December 29, 2017 02:45 PM (V3U1L)
Cause is vagina is infected and painful.
Posted by: Donald at December 29, 2017 03:02 PM (ulmY0)
Posted by: Alec Rawls at December 29, 2017 03:15 PM (AphMS)
The transitive property, Frum is blue and so are lib/commies.
That is all.
Posted by: SUG at December 29, 2017 03:21 PM (dMrJJ)
Posted by: Alec Rawls at December 29, 2017 03:22 PM (AphMS)
Posted by: politics uber alles at December 29, 2017 03:54 PM (DOPuI)
Posted by: torabora at December 29, 2017 04:00 PM (irC44)
Posted by: andycanuck at December 29, 2017 04:52 PM (QCX64)
And how are the state's going to qualify as federal 501c3s? 'Cause if they aren't you CAN'T DEDUCT from your federal taxes.
As to shifting to a payroll tax, fine. And the company will have 2 options: raise prices or lower wages. The kiddies won't be getting a tax break that route.
It really sucks to have a powerful central gov't, don't it, progs?
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