Checkin' In With the #SalonHot25: David Frum Has a Great Idea of How Liberal States Can Avoid the "Unfair" New Rules on Deducting State and Local Taxes: A National Carbon Tax!!!

True Conservatism and Enduring Principles you can rely on:

How to fix the regional unfairness of the Republican tax plan? The president's climate trolling tonight shows us how : tax carbon https://t.co/hqmsOlA0LV
— David Frum (@davidfrum) December 29, 2017

Here's some of this crook-backed Renfield's simperings:

Those extra funds, squeezed disproportionately from states like California, Maryland, New Jersey, and New York, just suffice to offset the revenue loss from the GOP's tax cuts to corporations and pass-through businesses.

Hang on, buddy. Those states impose those taxes themselves, and citizens of those states routinely elect politicians who say we should tax people at higher rates.

Why shouldn't they actually have to live by their own decisions, instead of being subsidized by the rest of the country (by allowing them to deduct their high state taxes from their federal tax payments), and thus held harmless from their own political prescriptions?

He goes on to say that the move should not be undone, because this true blue conservative just generally likes higher taxes. And he's not quite done yet.

Rather than restore these deductions, which have subsidized bad policies, especially in the blue states, the right way to redress Republican sectional chauvinism is by addressing the biggest subsidy to the worst policies of the red states--and especially their profligate spewing of greenhouse gases. Just as the blue states have used the mortgage and state-and-local deductions to offload the cost of their generous state governments, so red states have inflicted on others the climate consequences of their lifestyles.
The map of carbon-intensity by state looks like the map of state and local spending, upside down.
The top five most carbon-efficient jurisdictions are D.C., New York, California, Vermont, and Massachusetts. The five worst: Wyoming, North Dakota, West Virginia, Alaska, and Louisiana.
A carbon tax of $15 per ton would raise something over $700 billion over the next 10 years. That money would a) very neatly balance the 2017 GOP revenue raid on blue-state tax deductions, b) reduce the current carbon-dioxide emissions trajectory by about 10 perent, and c) reduce by half the GOP plan's estimated increase in the federal debt. The revenues from the tax would help to avert the impending cutbacks in Medicare and other health programs about which the GOP House leadership is now noisily contemplating.

It's very odd that the "conservatives" claiming to be most filled with Sacred Honor are simultaneously the most liberal, isn't it?

Meanwhile, Vox is also trying to cook up schemes to help wealthy liberal taxpayers avoid paying the higher taxes they all claim they want to pay:

GOP tax reform has led Vox to propose abolishing the income tax in blue states so rich people can keep those now-nondeductable over-the-cap taxes. Trump really does make them go bonkers. https://t.co/IvubJX0VFL
— Gabriel Malor (@gabrielmalor) December 28, 2017

Under current law, taxpayers not claiming the standard deduction can deduct both their state and local property taxes, and either their state and local income taxes or their state and local sales taxes, whichever is higher. The Republican bill added a new $10,000 maximum for all state and local tax deductions, effectively raising taxes on wealthy people in those states and reducing a key federal subsidy that makes it easier for states to charge high taxes on rich residents.
A few possible options have emerged to evade the new limit, reduce taxes on blue state residents, and reduce future pressure for state tax cuts that the federal law could create. New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, a Democrat, and the government of DC are urging residents to prepay their 2018 property taxes in 2017, so they can still be deducted. Another route would be for states to create dollar-for-dollar tax credits for all charitable contributions made to the state government. Charitable donations are still deductible under the GOP, so reclassifying state taxes as charity would enable residents to still deduct them at the federal level.
But perhaps the most promising option, teased by a large group of tax law experts and vocally championed by prominent liberal economist Dean Baker, is for states to repeal their income taxes and replace them with employer-side payroll taxes. This might appear like a minor technical change. But it would not only totally offset the new limit on deducting state taxes -- it would amount to a sizable tax cut for many middle-class families and would vastly simplify tax preparation by freeing people up from filing their own state taxes.

So the idea is to make the employer pay taxes, not the employee. This is thus not income to the employee, and so escapes the tax.

Note that this burdens job creation.

Also note that since people can still in fact deduct state and local taxes -- up to $10,000 -- Vox is now championing various dodges so that high income people can specifically avoid "paying their fair share."

Strange, isn't it? It's almost like it's all just a culture war, and that progressives believe in exactly none of the things they claim to believe.

You want to pay higher taxes, babies?

Well here's your big chance.

Posted by: Ace at 12:23 PM

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1 Foist

Posted by: Traveling Man at December 29, 2017 12:20 PM (R5lpX)

2 I'll get the others

Posted by: Traveling Man at December 29, 2017 12:21 PM (R5lpX)

3 Top 10

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 29, 2017 12:21 PM (wjryW)

4 *facepalm*

What's the point of being a "conservative" if you're going to support every d@mn progressive idea that comes down the pike?

Posted by: Lizzy at December 29, 2017 12:21 PM (W+vEI)

5 the right way to redress Republican sectional chauvinism is by
addressing the biggest subsidy to the worst policies of the red
states--and especially their profligate spewing of greenhouse gases

If he truly believed this was a problem, he could go a long way to solving it by shutting his f***ing gob.

Posted by: pep at December 29, 2017 12:22 PM (LAe3v)

6
Oxen. Goring. Some squealing required.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 29, 2017 12:22 PM (pNxlR)

7 In case anyone hasn't mentioned it lately,

Fuck David Frum

Posted by: Rick in SK at December 29, 2017 12:22 PM (FZYNt)

8 I love how Frum assumes this is something that needs a fix.

It's a *feature*, not a bug; functions as designed.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 29, 2017 12:23 PM (W+vEI)

9 What's the point of being a "conservative" if you're going to support every d@mn progressive idea that comes down the pike?

If he's a conservative, I'm Marie, the Queen of Romania.

Posted by: pep at December 29, 2017 12:23 PM (LAe3v)

10 Power. All about money and especially power. Pieces of shit, all of them.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 29, 2017 12:23 PM (wjryW)

11
I think Mabel Galore is onto something. Abolish income tax in all 57 states!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 12:23 PM (mbhDw)

12 A state-level payroll tax? So much for being "progressive", then. This IS getting entertaining.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 29, 2017 12:23 PM (ujg0T)

13
Just tax white trucks.

Winning.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 12:23 PM (mbhDw)

14 Butter Taxes are UP!?

Posted by: David Frum at December 29, 2017 12:23 PM (tAJt0)

15
"Here's some of this crook-backed Renfield's simperings:"

Ace, you are a poet, dude.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 12:24 PM (mbhDw)

16 I'm a transitioning commie.

Posted by: David Frump at December 29, 2017 12:24 PM (vtcmf)

17 Frum's mother was a servant of the CBC

the Canadian/Communist Broadcasting Compnay

Posted by: Rick in SK at December 29, 2017 12:25 PM (FZYNt)

18 What's the difference between David Frum and a streetwalker?

The streetwalker can chew gum and walk at the same time.

Posted by: pep at December 29, 2017 12:25 PM (LAe3v)

19
Mr. Fump:

Perhaps those who live in blue states might want to actually elect politicians who will lower taxes and concomitantly the size of their state governments?

Call me, Chunky.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 12:25 PM (mbhDw)

20 Anytime I hear the words "liberal economist" I know the next words will be excruciatingly stupid.

They never fail to fail.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 29, 2017 12:25 PM (/tuJf)

21 Frum is a carbon based life form. How much tax should he pay?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 29, 2017 12:26 PM (IqV8l)

22 Pretty sure the Tax Code applies equally to all regions.

Unless you are an illegal immigrant.

Then, it doesn't apply at all.

Posted by: garrett at December 29, 2017 12:26 PM (tAJt0)

23 Frum is the ugliest of the ovoid thumbs....

Posted by: steevy at December 29, 2017 12:26 PM (LiyEm)

24 Hey, there's Gabe.

Hi Gabe!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 29, 2017 12:26 PM (c8EhQ)

25 20
Anytime I hear the words "liberal economist" I know the next words will be excruciatingly stupid.

Hold it right there, buster. They're experts. Experts, I say!

Posted by: pep at December 29, 2017 12:26 PM (LAe3v)

26 16 I'm a transitioning commie.
Posted by: David Frump at December 29, 2017 12:24 PM (vtcmf)

Commentator Commie-Curious.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 12:27 PM (mbhDw)

27 Institute a liberal dipshit tax. They'll all go away.

Posted by: Sponge at December 29, 2017 12:27 PM (Zz0t1)

28 Oh just you wait. IF they are this upset over a simple tax deduction just imagine what they will be writing when Trump gets the Federal Leviathan to move on Sanctuary Cities and state nullification of immigration law and controlled substances like pot.

Why there could be cannon fire and dueling law enforcement officers each trying to arrest the other.

Posted by: Hank Uflinski at December 29, 2017 12:27 PM (KdDCu)

29 18 What's the difference between David Frum and a streetwalker?

The streetwalker can chew gum and walk at the same time.
Posted by: pep at December 29, 2017 12:25 PM (LAe3v)

My answer was going to be:

"I might actually care what the streetwalker has to say about tax policy."

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 29, 2017 12:27 PM (AURKQ)

30 David Frum is a Thought Leader.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 29, 2017 12:27 PM (c8EhQ)

31 Saw an interview with Cuomo the commie. Fucktard thinks it's unconstitutional to not be able to write off your entire state property taxes.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 29, 2017 12:27 PM (wjryW)

32 23 Frum is the ugliest of the ovoid thumbs....
Posted by: steevy at December 29, 2017 12:26 PM (LiyEm)

I guess Stetler, then, is an undescended testicle.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 12:27 PM (mbhDw)

33 *rubs hands gleefully* This oughta be worth at least a dozen invites to Washington deep state cocktail parties!

Posted by: David Frump at December 29, 2017 12:28 PM (vtcmf)

34 Fucktard thinks it's unconstitutional to not be able to write off your entire state property taxes.

Maybe he meant "unconscionable." Then he'd be right.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 29, 2017 12:28 PM (c8EhQ)

35 30 David Frum is a Thought Leader.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 29, 2017 12:27 PM (c8EhQ)

Like my flippin' cat is a Thought Leader.

Posted by: rickl at December 29, 2017 12:28 PM (xjiRE)

36 how dare the gop hand higher tax bills to democrats!

Posted by: x at December 29, 2017 12:29 PM (nFwvY)

37 I'm curious. Did David Frum's weight increase by at least the percentage increase in the Dow this year?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 29, 2017 12:29 PM (c8EhQ)

38 4 *facepalm*

What's the point of being a "conservative" if you're going to support every d@mn progressive idea that comes down the pike?
Posted by: Lizzy at December 29, 2017 12:21 PM (W+vEI)

I think a lot of these guys are trying to impress liberal women in their lives.

Posted by: josephistan at December 29, 2017 12:30 PM (ANIFC)

39
Speaking of "profligate spewing"--shut up, Frum. You're grating on my nerves.

Posted by: irongrampa at December 29, 2017 12:30 PM (S/hVx)

40 this is what the Dems and lefties dream of, the good old days when political discussions in the media (eg, Sunday morning TV) consisted of a liberal Dem host, three liberal Dem guests and one apologetic conservative.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at December 29, 2017 12:30 PM (ILitO)

41 Frum's mom gives wristies in Dollar General parking lots.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 29, 2017 12:30 PM (wjryW)

42 35 30 David Frum is a Thought Leader.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 29, 2017 12:27 PM (c8EhQ)

Like my flippin' cat is a Thought Leader.
Posted by: rickl at December 29, 2017 12:28 PM (xjiRE)

My cat pinches off Tootsie-Roll turds more interesting than Frum.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 12:31 PM (mbhDw)

43 I would love to feel outraged by this obvious attempt to obscure the cameras of CNN, but I just ate a bigmac and I'm looking for an excuse to puke. Thank you, CNN.

Posted by: goon at December 29, 2017 12:31 PM (EaQ6/)

44 New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, a Democrat, and the government of DC are urging residents to prepay their 2018 property taxes in 2017,

How do you pre-pay a tax that hasn't been assessed yet?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 29, 2017 12:31 PM (0R8lo)

45 Smugness is directly proportional to the level of awareness of one's one deep-seated bullshittery.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 29, 2017 12:31 PM (AURKQ)

46 They just want to tax cow and pig farts.

Posted by: Todd Kneeling, Discovered Bigfoot at December 29, 2017 12:31 PM (VFat/)

47 All this from people constantly complaining about the rich not paying their fair share.

Posted by: MAGA at December 29, 2017 12:31 PM (LnOh3)

48 You want to pay higher taxes, babies?

Well here's your big chance.

Exactly.

I have yet to have an argument with a progtard about taxes,

where they don't say, "I don't mind paying higher taxes..."

Welp, have at it, retards.

Posted by: naturalfake at December 29, 2017 12:31 PM (E3rQ4)

49 (one's OWN...)

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 29, 2017 12:31 PM (AURKQ)

50 I think they should tax Twitter feeds at $15 per ton of bullshit. Got a problem with that, Dave?

Posted by: tu3031 at December 29, 2017 12:31 PM (O5Q3r)

51 How about you stop spending so much, fuckball? That'll go a LONG WAY in fixing a BUNCH of this shit.

Posted by: Sponge at December 29, 2017 12:31 PM (Zz0t1)

52 What other severe conservatives are calling for a carbon tax?

Posted by: steevy at December 29, 2017 12:31 PM (LiyEm)

53 >>Frum's mom gives wristies in Dollar General parking lots.

She leaves the Gobbers to David, though.

Posted by: garrett at December 29, 2017 12:31 PM (tAJt0)

54
David Frum: Making America Grate. Again and Again and Again.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 12:31 PM (mbhDw)

55
how dare the gop hand higher tax bills to democrats!
---

Imagine a world where the GOP had balls.

Posted by: shibumi at December 29, 2017 12:31 PM (aT+Bx)

56 Mr. Ace 'O' Spades, I must protest you scurrilous and dismissive attitude toward this intellectual giant. Espousing carbon taxes got me where I am today.

Good day to you sir!

Posted by: Sen. Mike Castle (Dickhead- DE) at December 29, 2017 12:32 PM (326rv)

57 Frum just needs to go. The best part of him stayed on the sheet.

Posted by: Bonecrusher at December 29, 2017 12:32 PM (JNTt1)

58 >>> Just tax white trucks.

Early front runner for thread winner.

Posted by: fluffy at December 29, 2017 12:32 PM (Sh+wb)

59 Frum looks like someone who is no stranger to sucking cock--and diddling little boys.

Posted by: Under Fire at December 29, 2017 12:32 PM (r9UYA)

60
Congress! Congress! Don't tax me,

Tax that fellow behind the tree.

Posted by: Blue Staters at December 29, 2017 12:32 PM (oVJmc)

61 The democrats are openly proposing tax avoidance schemes?

I thought it was patriotic to pay taxes and anyone who tried to avoid paying taxes was unamerican? When did that change?

And a payroll tax is really going to inspire business to hire more of those $11 hour minimum wage workers.

Posted by: Hank Uflinski at December 29, 2017 12:32 PM (KdDCu)

62 Just as the blue states have used the mortgage and state-and-local
deductions to offload the cost of their generous state governments

Robbing the population = 'generous' state government

Another route would be for states to create dollar-for-dollar tax
credits for all charitable contributions made to the state government.
Charitable donations are still deductible under the GOP, so
reclassifying state taxes as charity would enable residents to still
deduct them at the federal level.

Don't pay taxes, pay charity equal to the tax required of you? Sounds kind of islamic to me (the interest thing). And only a progressive would consider funding the government to be a charity.

Posted by: Methos at December 29, 2017 12:32 PM (XQvuQ)

63 Do Street Walkers report their income to the IRS?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 29, 2017 12:32 PM (5y11N)

64 Wait a second. How will making state income taxes be employer based payroll tax be a tax credit for me?

All my employer will do is fiddle with my income so that I get the same, or less, take home pay.

Do these people really think companies will just absorb that cost?

They do, don't they?

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Now with Santa hat. Hopping all around. at December 29, 2017 12:32 PM (dEQP3)

65
Note: The Beatles' "Taxman" is a song (and a warning); not an instruction manual.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 12:32 PM (mbhDw)

66 44 New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, a Democrat, and the government of DC are urging residents to prepay their 2018 property taxes in 2017,

How do you pre-pay a tax that hasn't been assessed yet?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 29, 2017 12:31 PM (0R8lo)

--------

The only people that can prepay are the rich with the disposable income to do it.

Posted by: MAGA at December 29, 2017 12:32 PM (LnOh3)

67 Oh, hell! Wrong thread! Shit!

Posted by: goon at December 29, 2017 12:32 PM (EaQ6/)

68 Trump has the left screaming in pain about taxes going up on the rich.

what a timeline.

Posted by: x at December 29, 2017 12:33 PM (nFwvY)

69 63 Do Street Walkers report their income to the IRS?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 29, 2017 12:32 PM (5y11N)

"...with this one neat trick!"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 12:33 PM (mbhDw)

70 Can we just acknowledge that Frum is just a liberal that likes seeing American soldiers dying in the Middle East.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 29, 2017 12:33 PM (OD2ni)

71 >>New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, a Democrat, and the government of DC are urging residents to prepay their 2018 property taxes in 2017,

This is alomst as retarded as you can get. Almost.

Posted by: garrett at December 29, 2017 12:33 PM (tAJt0)

72 I consider their flailing to be a sign of success.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 29, 2017 12:33 PM (oVJmc)

73 , is for states to repeal their income taxes and replace them with employer-side payroll taxes

They can't be serious, or if they are I've been vastly overestimating the intellectual capacity of the opposition for decades. They seriously going to hit up an employer $10k or more PER EMPLOYEE. That is more than job retarding, that will kill businesses by the score.

I live in a blue state, and I have employees, and I can tell you right now that if Vermont tries something that stupid (and I would not put it past them) salary's will be decreased to compensate. If they make some law that says you can't do that then termination notices will go out and I'll mail the office keys to the state.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at December 29, 2017 12:34 PM (kUmUV)

74 How do you pre-pay a tax that hasn't been assessed yet?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 29, 2017 12:31 PM (0R8lo)

The first and/or 2nd quarter may have already been assesses?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 29, 2017 12:34 PM (5y11N)

75 ' Crook-backed Renfield'

Pure poetry, chief.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 29, 2017 12:34 PM (fA1SL)

76 David Frump......

Wasn't the Frump the one that used to bite the bubbles in the bathtub?

Posted by: Sponge at December 29, 2017 12:34 PM (Zz0t1)

77 Just tax white trucks.

Winning.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton

Blow my tailpipe.

Posted by: Boxy McBox truck at December 29, 2017 12:34 PM (326rv)

78 I'm trying to figure out why those "red" states are "high carbon emitters." (I assume he means per capita)

Some are really cold (makes sense, they probably burn more heating oil in Wyoming then they do in Florida), but there's also a few oil states and a coal state involved.

So I'm guessing he's counting the production of oil in Alaska & North Dakota (oil we all use in all 57 states + the rest of the world) as carbon USED by alaska & nd. Same with oil refined in LA (and/or shipping in to and out of New Orleans, which again benefits the entire country).

I don't know. I could make any of these lists say whatever the fuck I want them to say.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 29, 2017 12:34 PM (F5+ro)

79 Wow. Just, wow. Right when you think they couldn't get any dumber...

Posted by: Insomniac - Bah humbug! at December 29, 2017 12:34 PM (NWiLs)

80 "The top five most carbon-efficient jurisdictions are D.C., New York, California, Vermont, and Massachusetts. The five worst: Wyoming, North Dakota, West Virginia, Alaska, and Louisiana."

Is it wrong for me to think it would be funny if Frum froze in the dark sometime soon?

Posted by: Furious George at December 29, 2017 12:34 PM (j+dfT)

81 Hang on, buddy. Those states impose those taxes themselves,

-
The ChiComs have a different response. They are temporarily exempting US companies from Chinese taxes in an effort to get them to stay. (Link to NYT)

http://nyti.ms/2ljHFzD

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, The Persistence! at December 29, 2017 12:35 PM (+y/Ru)

82 76 David Frump......

Wasn't the Frump the one that used to bite the bubbles in the bathtub?
Posted by: Sponge at December 29, 2017 12:34 PM (Zz0t1)

IIRC Frump was Morticia Addams' maiden name.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 12:35 PM (mbhDw)

83 and, yet, and yet... in MA and VT, they burn a lot of heating oil. In most states, little to no heating oil is burned. How can those two states be considered more carbon efficient then, say, Maryland, where it doesnt get very cold in the winter and it's not HOLY-SHIT-I-CANT-GO-OUTSIDE-AND-NEED-TO-RUN-THE-AC-FOR-6-MONTHS hot in the summer?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 29, 2017 12:35 PM (F5+ro)

84 >>This is alomst as retarded as you can get. Almost.

And yet, they are trying to do it.

Heard a story yesterday about people lining up at town halls in upstate NY demanding to pay next year's property taxes only to be told they can't because new assessments haven't been done yet.

The good news for them is that their property taxes will soon be going down. Bad news is because their property is going to start being worth less.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 29, 2017 12:35 PM (/tuJf)

85 So when I pre-pay my taxes, I should check off the "deceased" tab, right?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 29, 2017 12:36 PM (AURKQ)

86 Wasn't the Frump the one that used to bite the bubbles in the bathtub?

That would be him.

Posted by: Queef Olberdouche's Rubber Duckie at December 29, 2017 12:36 PM (vtcmf)

87 I think a lot of these guys are trying to impress liberal women in their lives.

And now the Paolo is the only man that impresses them.

Posted by: The Paolo at December 29, 2017 12:36 PM (BrQrN)

88 "Those extra funds, squeezed disproportionately from states like California, Maryland, New Jersey, and New York"

Maybe places like PG County Maryland can stop wasting taxpayer money with petty BS like taking down the "Welcome to Maryland" sign as New York Ave becomes Route 50. The libs are pissed because it says "Maryland is open for business" with the name of the Republican gov.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 29, 2017 12:36 PM (OD2ni)

89 Notice that you didn't make the Top 50 Conservative Websites on Instapundit, Mr. O'Spades? You trifle with us at your own peril! Feel our wrath, Mr. O'Spades! FEEL OUR WRATH!
Good day to you, sir!

Posted by: Bill Kristol at December 29, 2017 12:36 PM (O5Q3r)

90 keep it up left. that SALT deduction can go $10,000 lower fast.

Posted by: x at December 29, 2017 12:36 PM (nFwvY)

91 A guest on MSNBCs Morning Joe oddly declared Friday that she is worried President Trump may try to invalidate the 2018 midterm elections to avoid a Democratic Congress something the President cant actually do.

LMAO

And she get's paid for those nuggets of gold?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 29, 2017 12:36 PM (5y11N)

92
Enact a brand new tax on everyone to help the people who will pay more in tax.

My head hurts.

Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at December 29, 2017 12:37 PM (2FqvZ)

93 I don't know who suggested it here, but the Not My President check box on tax forms so one can pay the higher rate if they would like to is a great idea heh

Posted by: jsg at December 29, 2017 12:37 PM (0+DvI)

94
You can't prepay taxes (according to my local government) until the tax warrants have been certified, the IRS won't accept the deduction.

Posted by: irongrampa at December 29, 2017 12:38 PM (S/hVx)

95 What's the point of being a "conservative" if you're going to support every d@mn progressive idea that comes down the pike?
Posted by: Lizzy at December 29, 2017 12:21 PMi

So that one, and one's spouse, gets invitations to all the 'right' parties, weddings, etc., of course.

Posted by: GOPe at December 29, 2017 12:38 PM (ctuyM)

96 Never underestimate the ability of a fu*king communist to walk into a mine field. Just give them a chance and stay real quiet and they will satisfy your wildest dreams.

Posted by: goon at December 29, 2017 12:38 PM (EaQ6/)

97 80 "The top five most carbon-efficient jurisdictions are D.C., New York, California, Vermont, and Massachusetts. The five worst: Wyoming, North Dakota, West Virginia, Alaska, and Louisiana."

Is it wrong for me to think it would be funny if Frum froze in the dark sometime soon?
Posted by: Furious George at December 29, 2017 12:34 PM (j+dfT)

Yeah, that the reason Calif. is on the list? They buy energy from out of State... and because they already Tax carbon, a lot of industry moved away...

Posted by: Don Q. at December 29, 2017 12:38 PM (NgKpN)

98 Florida, and other deep south states might not burn petroleum-based fuel for heat in the winter but they sure do use electricity in the summer.

Posted by: Hank Uflinski at December 29, 2017 12:38 PM (KdDCu)

99
Wow. Frum and Vox are absolutely ignorant of any basic economic knowledge.

Under Frum's carbon plan the 50 people that live in Wyoming will pay about $15 total annually. NYC cab fares would increase rapidly not to mention food and product delivery. As if carbon emissions were a problem anyway.

Vox thinks corporate taxes are paid by corporations. Uh no, they reduce what corporations can pay employees. See $1000 bonus stories.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 29, 2017 12:38 PM (r+sAi)

100 "The top five most carbon-efficient jurisdictions are D.C., New York, California, Vermont, and Massachusetts."

When you factor in how much I emit when people rent me to get their asses out of four of five of those places, the savings ain't all that great.

Posted by: Boxy McBox truck at December 29, 2017 12:38 PM (326rv)

101 92
Enact a brand new tax on everyone to help the people who will pay more in tax.

My head hurts.
Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at December 29, 2017 12:37 PM (2FqvZ)

As long as everyone who pays taxes gets to keep as a slave two people who don't for a period of two years.

Just throwing it out there, people.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 12:38 PM (mbhDw)

102 "unfair"

Whatever happened to that "paying your fair share" shit?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 29, 2017 12:38 PM (/odH0)

103 Also, I thought the rich should pay their fair share?

We're really only talking about a small minority of people who have more than $10k a year in SALT taxes, but more itemized deductions than the $24k standard deduction.

In other words: fairly wealthy people utilizing lots of "tax loopholes" as it were.

So why is the left crying to defend the top 2% or 1%?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 29, 2017 12:38 PM (F5+ro)

104 ">>New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, a Democrat, and the government of DC are urging residents to prepay their 2018 property taxes in 2017,

This is alomst as retarded as you can get. Almost.
Posted by: garrett "

Montgomery County, Maryland is doing the same which should surprise no one.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 29, 2017 12:38 PM (OD2ni)

105 But perhaps the most promising option, teased by a large group of tax law experts

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Teased? TEASED?

WTF?

I'm picturing the experts presenting their 'proposal' while running in circles and giggling.

Top. Men.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 29, 2017 12:39 PM (TwzNB)

106 I have no idea if my tax bill is going to increase or not. I usually itemize deductions which are usually over 10k . Does that mean I am looking at an increase?

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 29, 2017 12:39 PM (2DOZq)

107 "regional unfairness." I have been telling my daughter's since they were 2 years old: There is one four letter word you may not use in my presence: "fair."

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 29, 2017 12:39 PM (ty7RM)

108
Just tax white trucks.
Winning. Posted by: J.J. Sefton
Blow my tailpipe.

Posted by: Boxy McBox truck at December 29, 2017 12:34 PM (326rv)

Grease my shaft

Posted by: Dr. Axle at December 29, 2017 12:39 PM (lKyWE)

109 "Those extra funds, squeezed disproportionately from states like California, Maryland, New Jersey, and New York"

I nutted

Posted by: x at December 29, 2017 12:39 PM (nFwvY)

110 Commiefornia ALREADY HAS A CARBON TAX. How stupid is Vox?

Posted by: torabora at December 29, 2017 12:39 PM (irC44)

111 >>Heard a story yesterday about people lining up at town halls in upstate NY demanding to pay next year's property taxes only to be told they can't because new assessments haven't been done yet.

Hahaha - Best part is, the State can't jack up their assessments with impunity, anymore.

Is that marble in the Foyer?
Is that a genuine Field Stone Fireplace?

Is that a Soapstone Sink!?

Posted by: garrett at December 29, 2017 12:39 PM (tAJt0)

112 Trump is really living rent free in liberal heads. Winning!

Posted by: Archer at December 29, 2017 12:40 PM (gbWkA)

113 Help us obi-wan Humungus , you're our only hope.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at December 29, 2017 12:40 PM (aMlLZ)

114 How can those two states be considered more carbon efficient then,

No power generation to speak of inside the state, buy almost all of it from somewhere else. We had a nuclear plant once, but the greenie weenies saw to that. Can't speak for Massachusetts.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at December 29, 2017 12:40 PM (kUmUV)

115 89 Notice that you didn't make the Top 50 Conservative Websites on Instapundit, Mr. O'Spades? You trifle with us at your own peril! Feel our wrath, Mr. O'Spades! FEEL OUR WRATH!
Good day to you, sir!
Posted by: Bill Kristol at December 29, 2017 12:36 PM (O5Q3r)

that's because the definition of Conservative changes by what Conservatives think...

and as WE are the only true Conservatives... you are no longer in the club!

Posted by: Egg McMuffin at December 29, 2017 12:40 PM (NgKpN)

116 "I don't know who suggested it here, but the Not My President check box on tax forms so one can pay the higher rate if they would like to is a great idea heh
Posted by: jsg"

I think Huckabee tried something similar in Ark a few years ago when some libs complained about his tax cuts. I do not believe any extra money was collected.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 29, 2017 12:40 PM (OD2ni)

117 AC needs to decrease your house temp what,10 to 15 degrees?You think more energy gets used by AC's in Florida than heating a home in Massachusetts?

Posted by: steevy at December 29, 2017 12:40 PM (LiyEm)

118 So Frum's proposal is to raise heating bills of rural people in poor states to counter the unfairness that upper-middle class SWPL types in Connecticut now have less money to blow on artisanal cheese wedges from Trader Joe's. Ok then.

Posted by: Cjw at December 29, 2017 12:40 PM (pg8cS)

119
People with enough spare change to prepay a $10,000 property tax bill aren't exactly on my give-a-shit list as tax 'victims'.

Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at December 29, 2017 12:41 PM (2FqvZ)

120 Since we don't have a balanced budget, why bother to collect taxes in the first place.

Just borrow what the feds need every year.

I call it the "Illinois" Plan.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 29, 2017 12:41 PM (EoRCO)

121 >>I have no idea if my tax bill is going to increase or not. I usually itemize deductions which are usually over 10k . Does that mean I am looking at an increase?

Depends on your income and other factors. Tax rates are coming down across the board and standard deductions like child credits are going up.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 29, 2017 12:41 PM (/tuJf)

122 the right way to redress Republican sectional chauvinism is by addressing the biggest subsidy to the worst policies of the red states--and especially their profligate spewing

---

This is about me, isn't it?

Posted by: Anthony Weiner at December 29, 2017 12:41 PM (TwzNB)

123 So according to Frum what used to be whinnied "The rich need to pay their fair share!" is now 'Republican sectional chauvinism!"

He must have really worked himself into a sweat to come up with that crap.

Posted by: Cheri at December 29, 2017 12:41 PM (oiNtH)

124
I'm very tired of the Prog. talking point "we blue states pay for you welfare queen red states" and would like to know the source of that, whether the statistics are true.

I'm wondering if the metric is 'total federal spending' meaning that, for example, the funds spent on Texas includes all the numerous Air/Army/Naval Air bases, etc.

However, if the metric is welfare "entitlement" spending I'm willing to accept that. I just don't like disingenuous statistics cherry picking.

Posted by: Sphynx at December 29, 2017 12:41 PM (OZmbA)

125 98 Florida, and other deep south states might not burn petroleum-based fuel for heat in the winter but they sure do use electricity in the summer.
Posted by: Hank Uflinski at December 29, 2017 12:38 PM (KdDCu)

That's true. I don't know what uses "more carbon" -- burning 500+ gallons of diesel fuel in the winter to heat your house (and still using AC in the summer, it gets hot up north in the summer, too) or running the AC in the summer.

I'm not sure. I would imagine in, like, AZ, they probably use more carbon on their AC then we do on our heat... but for a lot of the country, it's not "my balls are little stuck to the side of my leg" hot for 6 months out of the year like it is "holy shit my nose hairs froze" cold in New England for 4 or so months.

IDK.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 29, 2017 12:41 PM (F5+ro)

126 113. Naah.....Immortan Joe's my guy. He's got a strong stance on property rights.

Immortan Joe/Bullet Farmer - a balanced ticket.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 29, 2017 12:41 PM (fA1SL)

127 Maybe David Frum can stop breathing so as to eliminate the greenhouse gases he spews. CO2 is a trace gas in the atmosphere and completely irrelevant. The earth's atmosphere has been remarkably stable. Progs have to exert control or they're never satisfied.

Posted by: Concerned People's Front Splitter Chapter at December 29, 2017 12:41 PM (2X7pN)

128 110 Commiefornia ALREADY HAS A CARBON TAX. How stupid is Vox?
Posted by: torabora at December 29, 2017 12:39 PM (irC44)

and for the last year? Its brought in ZERO Revenue....

#winning?

Posted by: Egg McMuffin at December 29, 2017 12:41 PM (NgKpN)

129
b) reduce the current carbon-dioxide emissions trajectory by about 10 perent, and...

HOW??

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 12:41 PM (OX/RF)

130 Charitable donations are still deductible under the GOP, so reclassifying state taxes as charity would enable residents to still deduct them at the federal level.

I 'sperge on things sometimes. This "taxes as charity" is I think the biggest difference between Them and Us.

Charity is voluntary. It's giving half of my first ever paycheck ($5) to the Jimmy Fund. Taxes are what you pay to keep the government from literally showing up with literal guns to put you in jail.

Why do they think taxes are a good thing?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 29, 2017 12:41 PM (fuK7c)

131 Commies like fare, not fair.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 29, 2017 12:42 PM (wjryW)

132 The list wasn't by Instapundit,they just linked it.It was Paula Bolyard's list I think.

Posted by: steevy at December 29, 2017 12:42 PM (LiyEm)

133 Charitable donations are still deductible under the GOP, so reclassifying state taxes as charity would enable residents to still deduct them at the federal level.

The mandatory nature of progressive "charity" in a nutshell.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 29, 2017 12:42 PM (WbIyz)

134
btw, nice proof-reading Cuck Frum.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 12:42 PM (OX/RF)

135 >>>How do you pre-pay a tax that hasn't been assessed yet?<<<

They're calling a donation.

Posted by: Fritz at December 29, 2017 12:42 PM (A1FgP)

136 I have no idea if my tax bill is going to increase or not. I usually itemize deductions which are usually over 10k . Does that mean I am looking at an increase?
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 29, 2017 12:39 PM (2DOZq)

I believe the $10,000 limit is on state and local tax deduction only.

So you can still deduct mortgage (I forget if the interest only up to $750k is still in there) and charity and whatever and then state and local taxes to $10,000.

I still get very confused as to what the Strategic Arms Limitation Talks have to do with the 2017 tax bill.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Now with Santa hat. Hopping all around. at December 29, 2017 12:42 PM (dEQP3)

137 People with enough spare change to prepay a $10,000 property tax bill aren't exactly on my give-a-shit list as tax 'victims'.
Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at December 29, 2017 12:41 PM (2FqvZ)

Oh, these wealthy people in NY and CT are paying wayyy more than $10k a year in property taxes.

Try $25k+ a year.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 29, 2017 12:42 PM (F5+ro)

138 Okay I see the post that the standard deduction is 24k . Is that correct? I figure that it's going to be what's it's going to be so I haven't bothered to determine the details . I'll either get mad or not after my accountant tells me the bottom line.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 29, 2017 12:43 PM (2DOZq)

139 I think a butter surtax is in order.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 29, 2017 12:43 PM (WbIyz)

140 Do Street Walkers report their income to the IRS?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 29, 2017 12:32 PM

It's just one of the profuse palette of professional services we provide our clients.

Posted by: Professional Pimps Association at December 29, 2017 12:43 PM (ctuyM)

141 Why yes. It's almost as if " the Left doesn't really believe in the things they lecture the rest of us about"

Posted by: Fen's Law at December 29, 2017 12:43 PM (4xDJ5)

142 Why do they think taxes are a good thing?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 29, 2017 12:41 PM (fuK7c)

Because they believe that all income belongs to the government first.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Now with Santa hat. Hopping all around. at December 29, 2017 12:43 PM (dEQP3)

143
So by taxing carbon it will reduce it??

How?

Magic?

As The People's $$ flows into Democrats' mandibles, carbon output will decrease? HOW?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 12:43 PM (OX/RF)

144 If you prepay your 2018 taxes you are going to miss out on DOW 27500. Stupid ass libtards....trying to stampede people OUT of the stawk market so they won't be paying TAXES on their capital gains they won't realize. Is that too complicated or are they that retarded?

Posted by: torabora at December 29, 2017 12:43 PM (irC44)

145 "regional unfairness."

Anyone else remember the last time democrats whined about this?

Posted by: War of maybe you shouldn't start a war when the only cannon you have are one that you stole at December 29, 2017 12:44 PM (326rv)

146 A guest on MSNBCs Morning Joe oddly declared Friday that she is worried
President Trump may try to invalidate the 2018 midterm elections to
avoid a Democratic Congress something the President cant actually do.

MSNBC (and CNN, and most of the media, really) is just boob bait for liberal bubbas.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 29, 2017 12:44 PM (oVJmc)

147 136. Like me, many taxpayers will use the money NOT seized by the govt to fund purchases of recreational nuclear weapons. The treaty was drafted in a time when such winning was noy even considered possible.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 29, 2017 12:44 PM (fA1SL)

148 Frum is a carbon based life form. How much tax should he pay?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 29, 2017 12:26 PM (IqV8l)

Well he did suggest $15/ton so I'd guess ~$30.

Posted by: mugiwara at December 29, 2017 12:44 PM (clEIG)

149 Apparently buying college football season tickets was deductible and now wint be so people are buying next seasons tickets now...Saw this on a sports site.

Posted by: steevy at December 29, 2017 12:45 PM (LiyEm)

150 MSNBC (and CNN, and most of the media, really) is just boob bait for liberal bubbas.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 29, 2017 12:44 PM (oVJmc)

Does that make Fox leg bait?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 29, 2017 12:45 PM (AURKQ)

151 They can't be serious, or if they are I've been vastly overestimating
the intellectual capacity of the opposition for decades. They seriously
going to hit up an employer $10k or more PER EMPLOYEE. That is more
than job retarding, that will kill businesses by the score.
---

Businesses die.

People go on government assistance.

Democrats give them lots of benefits.

They vote Democrat for life and never work again

Democrats print more money.

Democrats are our perpetual rulers.

/see, there's a reason for this.

Posted by: shibumi at December 29, 2017 12:45 PM (aT+Bx)

152 "Charitable donations are still deductible under the GOP, so reclassifying state taxes as charity would enable residents to still deduct them at the federal level."

Is used underwear still deductible.? Hic.

Posted by: Hillary at December 29, 2017 12:45 PM (OD2ni)

153 138 Okay I see the post that the standard deduction is 24k . Is that correct? I figure that it's going to be what's it's going to be so I haven't bothered to determine the details . I'll either get mad or not after my accountant tells me the bottom line.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 29, 2017 12:43 PM (2DOZq)

It's currently $12k, but is doubling under this plan to $24k.

To have more than $24k in deductions and still owe taxes, you're definitely in the 6 figures arena. And that's being pretty unrealistic, because youre going to have to spend money on living, too, which is of course, not deductible.

So I'd say we're talking mostly about people in the top federal tax bracket here.

You know, the top 1 or 2%.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 29, 2017 12:45 PM (F5+ro)

154 btw, nice proof-reading Cuckleberry Frum.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 12:42 PM

FIFY.

Posted by: zombie Mark Twain at December 29, 2017 12:45 PM (ctuyM)

155 NOTE THAT THE SOLUTION THESE STATES SUGGEST IS NOT TO REDUCE TAXATION.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 29, 2017 12:45 PM (oVJmc)

156
I use about 100,000 btu per hour to heat my home in the worst of the winter months, while 10,000 btu per hour will cool it nicely in the worst of summer. (Pennsylvania)

I'm sure the New England states are all in a similar boat.

Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at December 29, 2017 12:45 PM (2FqvZ)

157 Let's quit pretending that the idea of two men being married is anything other than mental illness. Think of the recaptured tax revenue in California alone.

No more filing jointly, you brutes!

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 29, 2017 12:45 PM (TwzNB)

158
A guest on MSNBCs Morning Joe oddly declared Friday that she is worried President Trump may try to invalidate the 2018 midterm elections to avoid a Democratic Congress something the President cant actually do.

She doesn't really believe this, of course.

Idiotic unhinged alarmism like this is designed to do one thing: Rouse the Rabble in an election year.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 12:46 PM (OX/RF)

159 Is used underwear still deductible.? Hic.
Posted by: Hillary at December 29, 2017 12:45 PM (OD2ni)

Depends.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 29, 2017 12:46 PM (AURKQ)

160 Maybe we just missed it, and the new definition of "conservative" is "one who wants to conserve bloated government".

Posted by: rickl at December 29, 2017 12:46 PM (xjiRE)

161 OT repeating from willow-end of last thread: AZ gov throwing brush-back pitch at GOP types aspiring to replace McCain via appointment when, well, you know.

Amusing, or maybe depressing. Gov saying it's unseemly for people to be jockeying for a dying guy's seat. Yeah, OK, that might have been important 50 years ago, governor.

The unseemly thing is McCain's clinging to his seat like the dim Third World a**hole he is, when he should have resigned long ago so that his state had representation (and the country gained). THAT is vile and outrageous, governor.

Posted by: Farshimmelt Alte-Kocker, AKA rhomboid at December 29, 2017 12:46 PM (NDlpU)

162 Well he did suggest $15/ton so I'd guess ~$30.

That is so bitchy that I'm mad at you for thinking of it first.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 29, 2017 12:46 PM (fuK7c)

163 I have a better idea: we institute a stupidity tax. It'll hit the blue states hardest, and will pay off the national debt in a couple of weeks.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 29, 2017 12:46 PM (/odH0)

164 104 ">>New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, a Democrat, and the government of DC are urging residents to prepay their 2018 property taxes in 2017,

This is alomst as retarded as you can get. Almost.
Posted by: garrett "

Actually not. We paid our property tax bill due March 2018 this morning. We've been standard deduction since the kids all moved out, but itemizing works out to be very close to the standard deduction. For this one year the extra property tax payment may switch those numbers.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at December 29, 2017 12:46 PM (kUmUV)

165
It's also a DOG WHISTLE to get one of Far Alt-Left do violence against Trump and Republicans.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 12:46 PM (OX/RF)

166
The top five most carbon-efficient jurisdictions are D.C., New York, California, Vermont, and Massachusetts. The five worst: Wyoming, North Dakota, West Virginia, Alaska, and Louisiana.

Cute how the use "carbon - efficient". I'll bet my bottom dollar that California and New York are still producing ten times more carbon gases than Wyoming. And notice the red states at the bottom of the list are all oil and gas producing states

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at December 29, 2017 12:47 PM (lKyWE)

167 Like me, many taxpayers will use the money NOT seized by the govt to fund purchases of recreational nuclear weapons. The treaty was drafted in a time when such winning was noy even considered possible.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 29, 2017 12:44 PM (fA1SL)

Ohhhhhhh it's all makes sense now.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Now with Santa hat. Hopping all around. at December 29, 2017 12:47 PM (dEQP3)

168 Democrats don't believe your money is yours to begin with.

Their money, on the other hand.....

Posted by: jsg at December 29, 2017 12:47 PM (0+DvI)

169 It's also a DOG WHISTLE to get one of Far Alt-Left do violence against Trump and Republicans.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 12:46 PM (OX/RF)

As if they need a dog whistle.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 29, 2017 12:47 PM (/odH0)

170 I'm not sure. I would imagine in, like, AZ, they probably use more carbon on their AC then we do on our heat... but for a lot of the country, it's not "my balls are little stuck to the side of my leg" hot for 6 months out of the year like it is "holy shit my nose hairs froze" cold in New England for 4 or so months.

The last study I saw concluded that it cost more to heat in the north than to A/C the South. This came out about the time that pricks in the Federal government wanted to ban A/C....their office buildings would, of course, be excluded.

Posted by: Blue Hen at December 29, 2017 12:47 PM (326rv)

171
btw, nice proof-reading Cuckleberry Frum.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 12:42 PM

FIFY.

Posted by: zombie Mark Twain

I like.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 12:47 PM (OX/RF)

172 147 136. Like me, many taxpayers will use the money NOT seized by the govt to fund purchases of recreational nuclear weapons. The treaty was drafted in a time when such winning was noy even considered possible.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 29, 2017 12:44 PM (fA1SL)

And we here at Crazy Boy Nuclear Arms Shop are here to support you!

Yes, buy our quality Atomic Bombs, made by the bestest North Korean Slave Labor available.

Just pay our low low prices... and add in shipping and Missile Fees... and you can be the first on your block to be a Nuclear Power!

Posted by: Kim Jong Unnnn at December 29, 2017 12:48 PM (NgKpN)

173 Florida, and other deep south states might not burn petroleum-based fuel
for heat in the winter but they sure do use electricity in the summer.
=====

But, but, but -- electricity just appears from the outlet -- right? /s

I've been banging the drum from years that cold kills so cold-weather states have a different attitude than more 'clement' states.

Posted by: mustbequantum at December 29, 2017 12:48 PM (MIKMs)

174 Maybe we just missed it, and the new definition of "conservative" is "one who wants to conserve bloated government".

That is why I now identify as a 'reactionary' or if you prefer, counter-revolutionary.

Posted by: Hank Uflinski at December 29, 2017 12:48 PM (KdDCu)

175 I can't believe it's a butter tax.

Posted by: Queef Olberdouche's Rubber Duckie at December 29, 2017 12:48 PM (vtcmf)

176 One year only, run an experiment.

File your taxes as you normally would under current code, and at the very top there will be a box:

"What tax rate, in percent, would you like to use to determine your liability?"

Then tax them at that rate.

See what happens.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 29, 2017 12:49 PM (AURKQ)

177 A carbon tax ... will that still apply if the carbon is married, to one, or two oxygen atoms? What about calcium carbonate?

Anti-Carbonists are usually racist/misogynist, and they should be voted out of office. Expose them now.

Posted by: illiniwek at December 29, 2017 12:49 PM (otAqJ)

178 You have to wonder why any liberal would want to run for state level office in a blue state going forward. There is going to be nothing but pain and trying to manage bankrupt states.

You can only blame conservatives for so long for things they had nothing to do with. Sooner or later people just want relief from the pain.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 29, 2017 12:49 PM (/tuJf)

179 You want to pay higher taxes, babies?

Well here's your big chance.

In Massachusetts, there's an extra line on the state income tax form that allows you to pay more.

Naturally, almost no-one - and I mean no-one ponies up more bux. And when you call them on their hypocrisy, they always vomit back some variation of, "no, no, I'd love to pay more taxes, but. . . .

it's not fair if I'm the only one doing it!"

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 29, 2017 12:49 PM (kqsXK)

180 Posted by: Blue Hen at December 29, 2017 12:47 PM (326rv)

Do you guys have rolling blackouts because of extremely high usage?

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 29, 2017 12:49 PM (2DOZq)

181 1. All the so-called 'good', carbon-efficient jurisdictions are not only net consumers of carbon energy, but produce nearly zero within their own borders. All the 'bad' ones are net producers of fossil fuels.

2. A dollar-for-dollar tax credit in return for 'charitable' contributions ought to reduce their deductibility correspondingly. The tax credit is no less a thing of value received in exchange for the contribution than, e.g., baseball tickets won at a silent auction, or Downtown Abbey DVDs offered to donors during the PBS beg-a-thons.

Posted by: craig at December 29, 2017 12:49 PM (CX7SO)

182 State Taxes are charitable contributions?

Yeah, Suuuuuure! Go Ahead!

Try not paying your "Charitable Contributions."

Wait for the guys with guns to show up and take all your stuff.

That is Progressive Charity.

Posted by: rd at December 29, 2017 12:50 PM (4dz1m)

183
My new toaster oven arrived. My other went teets up.

I gotta say, it's not bad for $74.99 delivered.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 12:50 PM (OX/RF)

184 But, but, but -- electricity just appears from the outlet -- right? /s

No, actually it appears from batteries, I've been reliably informed.

(By some liberal chick who chirped that as a viable source of energy for California instead of petroleum or nuclear power.)

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 29, 2017 12:50 PM (/odH0)

185 My property taxes (escrow) have become half of my mortgage payment.

Posted by: Queef Olberdouche's Rubber Duckie at December 29, 2017 12:50 PM (vtcmf)

186 Last time I got mugged, I yelled at the mugger that "it's not FAIR that you're only mugging me! Go mug those people over there too!"

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 29, 2017 12:51 PM (AURKQ)

187 Frum's mom gives wristies in Dollar General parking lots.

The calluses are what makes it extra special!

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 29, 2017 12:51 PM (kqsXK)

188 >>>I believe the $10,000 limit is on state and local tax deduction only.

So you can still deduct mortgage (I forget if the interest only up to $750k is still in there) and charity and whatever and then state and local taxes to $10,000.
Posted by: alexthechick

the mortgage interest deductions remains. it has been lowered from $1M to $750K for new mortgages. existing mortgages (originated prior to 1/1/201

$750K to $1M still have their mortgage interest deduction too.

Posted by: x at December 29, 2017 12:51 PM (nFwvY)

189 On Drudge ... Americans up to 13.6 drinks/ week ..... so f'n what ? ... How about leave people alone as long as they are not harming others .... geez these people!!!

Next they will make a law requiring you to eat your brocolli....

Posted by: E.T. at December 29, 2017 12:51 PM (P1GJy)

190 Leftist douchebaggery is certainly approaching an art form these days. Doesn't make it any less insipid, though.

Posted by: Taqyia2Me at December 29, 2017 12:52 PM (Ftuf+)

191 So, after forty years of pro-increase-property-tax agitation? California's leftists now embrace Prop 13. Hilarious.

If only Howard Jarvis had lived to see the day.

Deeeelish!

Posted by: 13times at December 29, 2017 12:52 PM (WHVu+)

192 >>Actually not. We paid our property tax bill due March 2018 this morning

The key difference being, you are not the Governor.

Posted by: garrett at December 29, 2017 12:52 PM (tAJt0)

193 State Taxes are charitable contributions?

CA geniuses propose "charitable contributions" to, e.g., the school of your choice, apparently not having thought this through (first time for everything).

So now, class, which school will do better under that proposal, Beverly Hills High, or Compton High? Now, no peeking at the answer.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 29, 2017 12:52 PM (/odH0)

194 Posted by: Blue Hen at December 29, 2017 12:47 PM (326rv)

Do you guys have rolling blackouts because of extremely high usage?
Posted by: Roc Ingersol

Yes, we have, and we're in the mid atlantic region.

Posted by: Blue Hen at December 29, 2017 12:52 PM (326rv)

195 How do you pre-pay a tax that hasn't been assessed yet?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 29, 2017 12:31 PM (0R8lo)

We prepaid yesterday (NYS property taxes). We just gave them a check, they gave us a receipt. It only works for one year. That $10K limit is very low for a decent school district in this state (insert sad face).

If it had been a $20K limit, you wouldn't have heard as much screeching - but then that was the point, wasn't it? The screeching?

Note: we pay for more on our Florida condo taxes + HOA than we do on our home in NYS (and the NYS home is worth 3x the amount). The negative for us in the past were those HOA fees were not deductible. Now, it does even out the blue states calling everything a tax, and the red/purple states calling the same services a fee (non-deductible).

Posted by: Ann at December 29, 2017 12:52 PM (jtHQy)

196 Same here. I just prepaid 7000 of my 17000 tax bill here in Illinois Time to our house up for sale. Texas here I come

Posted by: Big swingin Al at December 29, 2017 12:52 PM (VoEYx)

197
That's another thing!

I don't get it -- I thought the Blue Staters WANTED to pay more in taxes?!?!

So......Let Them.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 12:52 PM (OX/RF)

198 IIRC Frump was Morticia Addams' maiden name.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 12:35 PM (mbhDw)

You are correct, sir.

And her sister, Ophelia Frump, was played by - Carolyn Jones.

While Mother Frump was played by -
Margaret Hamilton.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 29, 2017 12:52 PM (kqsXK)

199 @163

Would that tax be proportional, in the interest of fairness?

Posted by: irongrampa at December 29, 2017 12:52 PM (S/hVx)

200 Before The Horde shrugs off this carbon tax thingie, I'd like to point out that carbon is 52.1% of the weight of the effective ingredient in Valu-Rite.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 29, 2017 12:53 PM (ctuyM)

201 Why do they think taxes are a good thing? <<<<<<< CONTROL.

What would be great is if the feds add a surcharge on states that have a income tax exceeding 5%. Because clearly those are people that have the money to help the chilrens and elderlies.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 29, 2017 12:53 PM (r+sAi)

202 189 On Drudge ... Americans up to 13.6 drinks/ week ..... so f'n what ? ... How about leave people alone as long as they are not harming others .... geez these people!!!

Next they will make a law requiring you to eat your brocolli....
Posted by: E.T. at December 29, 2017 12:51 PM (P1GJy)

?

Is that supposed to be a high number?

OMG, slightly less than two drinks per day!

The scandal! Good Heavens! Break out the hatchets!

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 29, 2017 12:53 PM (AURKQ)

203 hey, to save the planet, let's put a giant tariff on all carbon (oil) that is imported into America. Why should those dirty oil producing countries be allowed to export their dirty carbon into our country? Make THEM pay, then we can eliminate our taxes.

Posted by: illiniwek at December 29, 2017 12:53 PM (otAqJ)

204 191 So, after forty years of pro-increase-property-tax agitation? California's leftists now embrace Prop 13. Hilarious.

If only Howard Jarvis had lived to see the day.

Deeeelish!

Posted by: 13times at December 29, 2017 12:52 PM (WHVu+)

But there's a hefty component of the Democrat Party who are dying to 86 Prop. 13, but fear the backlash of doing so.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 29, 2017 12:53 PM (/odH0)

205 Cute how the use "carbon - efficient". I'll bet my bottom dollar that California and New York are still producing ten times more carbon gases than Wyoming. And notice the red states at the bottom of the list are all oil and gas producing states
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic

It should be illegal for red states to sell oil & gas to blue states.

We shouldn't be helping them pollute.

I don't give a fuck where blue states get their heating oil and gasoline, nat gas and electricity generation.
More than 10 miles away from me & all.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 29, 2017 12:53 PM (0R8lo)

206
Why would I care about people who clearly WANT to pay more taxes paying more in taxes?!!?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 12:53 PM (OX/RF)

207 A $75 toaster?

I thought all a toaster was is using electricity to burn the outside of bread and a spring to make it jump out before it's too burned.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 29, 2017 12:54 PM (fuK7c)

208 202 189 On Drudge ... Americans up to 13.6 drinks/ week ..... so f'n what ? ... How about leave people alone as long as they are not harming others .... geez these people!!!

Next they will make a law requiring you to eat your brocolli....
Posted by: E.T. at December 29, 2017 12:51 PM (P1GJy)

?

Is that supposed to be a high number?

OMG, slightly less than two drinks per day!

The scandal! Good Heavens! Break out the hatchets!
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 29, 2017 12:53 PM (AURKQ)

Maybe they meant two at a time, i.e., one in each hand.

That would make more sense.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 29, 2017 12:54 PM (/odH0)

209
While Mother Frump was played by -
Margaret Hamilton.

Wicked Witch?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 12:54 PM (OX/RF)

210 "Actually not. We paid our property tax bill due March 2018 this morning. We've been standard deduction since the kids all moved out, but itemizing works out to be very close to the standard deduction. For this one year the extra property tax payment may switch those numbers.
Posted by: moon_over_vermont"

The concern some have here in MD is that the pre-payers could get reamed by the IRS if audited since technically it is a 2018 tax assessment. I hope not.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 29, 2017 12:55 PM (OD2ni)

211 I get my kids to eat their broccoli by telling them it makes you fart

Posted by: Bored383 at December 29, 2017 12:55 PM (70HTk)

212 Yeah, let's tax carbon to support the left's AGW fraud, even though there hasn't been any warming for the past 20 years. What a frickin' rube!

Posted by: w at December 29, 2017 12:55 PM (vhrlk)

213 >>I thought all a toaster was is using electricity to burn the outside of bread and a spring to make it jump out before it's too burned.

No Uni-Taskers in the Kitchen!

Posted by: Toaster Fucker at December 29, 2017 12:55 PM (tAJt0)

214 So now the Democrats are proposing to raise taxes on the poor and the middle class to protect tax loopholes for the rich?

The attack ads almost write themselves.

But, the Stupid Party . . .

Posted by: Furious George at December 29, 2017 12:56 PM (j+dfT)

215 Cali is in part "low" because for some of our electrical needs, we get from CO and other states and is transmitted to us.

That's the dirty little secret here in Cali. The legislature passed a bill several years ago stating we had to have x% of our electrical needs supplied by renewable - i.e., "bad" electrical sources could not account for y% above a certain amount. They get around it by importing electricity so it counts as "green" or it doesn't count as "bad" generated power.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at December 29, 2017 12:56 PM (bB4HN)

216
Yeah, I'm not sure why they call these things Toaster Ovens when they're least good at toasting bread.

I mean, if you want lousy toast, use a toaster oven. The best toasters are, get this, Toasters. The old fashioned kind.

These "mini" counter-top ovens are great, tho. Except for toast. We ought to call them Mini Counter-Top Ovens.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 12:56 PM (OX/RF)

217 Maybe they meant two at a time, i.e., one in each hand.

That would make more sense.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 29, 2017 12:54 PM (/odH0)

Well, i guess it is an average after all.

Which means i'm totally doing my part in holding up my end of the Gaussian distribution...

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 29, 2017 12:57 PM (AURKQ)

218 Regional unfairness. Carbon - efficient. Who comes up with this insanity?

It is to boggle one's mind.

Posted by: Fritz at December 29, 2017 12:57 PM (A1FgP)

219 215 Cali is in part "low" because for some of our electrical needs, we get from CO and other states and is transmitted to us.

That's the dirty little secret here in Cali. The legislature passed a bill several years ago stating we had to have x% of our electrical needs supplied by renewable - i.e., "bad" electrical sources could not account for y% above a certain amount. They get around it by importing electricity so it counts as "green" or it doesn't count as "bad" generated power.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at December 29, 2017 12:56 PM (bB4HN)

Status: true.

Remember when the nuclear reactor in AZ went offline? Half of SoCal was facing an electricity shortage. Of course, part of the reason was that they'd taken the San Onofre reactor offline years ago, because.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 29, 2017 12:57 PM (/odH0)

220 There is actually a big fan base / following for Vintage Toasters.

Some go for decent money, too.

Posted by: garrett at December 29, 2017 12:57 PM (tAJt0)

221 That is why I now identify as a 'reactionary' or if you prefer, counter-revolutionary.
---

I think I'm self identifying as a minarchist.

However... "anarcho capitalist" does have a better ring to it.

Posted by: shibumi at December 29, 2017 12:57 PM (aT+Bx)

222 You have to wonder why any liberal would want to run for state level office in a blue state going forward. There is going to be nothing but pain and trying to manage bankrupt states.

How does that interfere with their sweet sweet graft? When they have less money to spread around, the demand goes up, and with it, the supply of bribes.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 29, 2017 12:58 PM (WbIyz)

223 most people don't know when their taxes are due. most people think the due date is the last day before they are late. in Texas ours are due after 10/31 and late after 1/31.

Posted by: x at December 29, 2017 12:58 PM (nFwvY)

224 >>That's the dirty little secret here in Cali. The legislature passed a bill several years ago stating we had to have x% of our electrical needs supplied by renewable - i.e., "bad" electrical sources could not account for y% above a certain amount. They get around it by importing electricity so it counts as "green" or it doesn't count as "bad" generated power.

Lots of states have done that and quite a few people have made bank by putting up wind turbines and large solar arrays. Guaranteed profits.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 29, 2017 12:58 PM (/tuJf)

225 I am actually surprised that California doesn't have Salmon Tolls on their rivers.

Posted by: garrett at December 29, 2017 12:58 PM (tAJt0)

226 State Taxes are charitable contributions?

Yeah, Suuuuuure! Go Ahead!

-
If you don't charitably contribute, the government gives you free room and board.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, The Persistence! at December 29, 2017 12:58 PM (+y/Ru)

227 Comparing people to the average is just mean!

Posted by: Berkeley SJW at December 29, 2017 12:58 PM (ctuyM)

228 @ 210 I believe the IRS put out a clarifier.

Here in Cali, our tax year runs Jul-Jun. Property taxes are due 12/10 and 4/10 (the late payment due dates w/o penalty). Since it was assessed for the 2017/2018 year that runs Jul/17 - Jun/2018, we can pay the April now and get the deduction.

You just can't "pre-pay" an assessment that hasn't been made yet. At least that was my understanding.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at December 29, 2017 12:59 PM (bB4HN)

229 Trump should keep going. Announce that he has changed his mind and will raise taxes exactly as the left wants - top rate of 90% starting at $250k.

Then after the left gets on board announce a tax amnesty for people in every state that voted for him. The left wants higher taxes? Let them pay ALL the taxes.

If we can have shamnesty on illegal immigration, why not on taxes?

Posted by: 18-1 at December 29, 2017 12:59 PM (Z8FFX)

230 The concern some have here in MD is that the pre-payers could get reamed by the IRS if audited since technically it is a 2018 tax assessment. I hope not.

Bills here are weird. We've had it in hand since last August. You are allowed to make two payments on it, the last being in March of the following year. Think it dates back to when everything here was driven by the times of year that farms received income, but not sure exactly how. Maple syrup maybe?

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at December 29, 2017 12:59 PM (kUmUV)

231 Had a yearly physical one year and the nurse asked me if I drank more than 3 drinks a week, I said yes of coarse (becasue moron)... she gave me the stink eye look ... ugh. so now I just say I dont drink at all....

Posted by: E.T. at December 29, 2017 12:59 PM (P1GJy)

232
You have to wonder why any liberal would want to run for state level office in a blue state going forward. There is going to be nothing but pain and trying to manage bankrupt states.

There's a ton of graft money to be made in managing bankrupt states

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (lKyWE)

233 Future Frum: Let's just start taxing and controlling oxygen ... and who gets how much ... and cutting it off for those who can't pay ... and be done with it.

Posted by: ShainS at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (WohSw)

234 I just rented some retail space in CT to a young couple. Their facebook postings are full of over the top anti Trump stuff. At what point should I tell them I voted for Trump?

Posted by: sofa saver at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (4u7kU)

235 Posted by: Ann at December 29, 2017 12:52 PM (jtHQy)

I'll bet dollars to donuts that by the end of the year, prepaying those taxes will not be allowed by the Feds.

The Tax is not due... heck not even accrued, as the tax could and probably will change... so how can you prepay something when you don't know what is due?

All you really have is a positive balance on your Tax account, with the State... ie, the State will get an interest Free loan from YOUR money... Money you could have used to invest in the now growing economy.

Posted by: Don Q. at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (NgKpN)

236 Gee David, ever think of which states also produce all that dirty energy for the blue states... Go ahead and stick it to the energy producing states and they can pass on the increase to the blue states who outsourced their energy production so they could claim how "green" they are.

Posted by: batter at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (onDt/)

237 Rereading some of the links in the post, they almost read as a parody, almost.

Posted by: Hank Uflinski at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (KdDCu)

238 225 I am actually surprised that California doesn't have Salmon Tolls on their rivers.
Posted by: garrett at December 29, 2017 12:58 PM (tAJt0)

We have a Sea Lion Fund on the state income tax form.

I'm not making this up. Presumably it is intended to buy bullet proof vests for the sea lions to protect them from crazed wetbacks who just happen to find pistols on their park bench.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (/odH0)

239 Wicked Witch?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 12:54 PM (OX/RF)

Yes.

IIRC, the episode was a flashback to when Gomez first met Morticia and fell for her, even though Mother Frump wanted him to marry Ophelia.

And if you thought Carolyn Jones was lovely, seeing her in pigtails was really eye-opening.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (kqsXK)

240 Actually not. We paid our property tax bill due March 2018 this morning. We've been standard deduction since the kids all moved out, but itemizing works out to be very close to the standard deduction. For this one year the extra property tax payment may switch those numbers.
Posted by: moon_over_vermont at December 29, 2017 12:46 PM
~~~~~

Similar situation for us (NJ). We're paying first half of 2018 today. Accountant says it will get us back more on our 2017 return, and reduce our 2018 liability. After that...I got nothing.

It's worth it to take out $5G from brokerage account. Even with 10% return, we still make out better paying taxes up front. Thanks New Jersey!

Posted by: IrishEi at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (HiDrR)

241
By all the screaming and scheming being done in the blue states, this SALT kill really was the life blood of the Leftists. Their unmitigated and unending proposals for more taxes and more waste are gonna die quickly.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (r+sAi)

242 234 I just rented some retail space in CT to a young couple. Their facebook postings are full of over the top anti Trump stuff. At what point should I tell them I voted for Trump?
Posted by: sofa saver at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (4u7kU)

When you raise their rent?

Posted by: Don Q. at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (NgKpN)

243 And if you thought Carolyn Jones was lovely, seeing her in pigtails was really eye-opening.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (kqsXK)

That was a fantastic episode.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 29, 2017 01:01 PM (AURKQ)

244 I am unclear on one point. Is Frum as experty an expert as Nichols? More? Less? What about Max Boot? Where does he fit in the Hall of Excellence?

(Note, every time I see anything by Nichols, I recall the Apology of Socrates. He should read it. But it wouldn't do much good.)

Posted by: George LeS at December 29, 2017 01:01 PM (+TcCF)

245 234 I just rented some retail space in CT to a young couple. Their facebook postings are full of over the top anti Trump stuff. At what point should I tell them I voted for Trump?
Posted by: sofa saver at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (4u7kU)

When you raise their rent, of course.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 29, 2017 01:01 PM (/odH0)

246 >>We have a Sea Lion Fund on the state income tax form.

Fuck those things.

There should be a bounty on them.

Posted by: garrett at December 29, 2017 01:01 PM (tAJt0)

247

At what point should I tell them I voted for Trump?

When they cannot damage your property.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 01:01 PM (OX/RF)

248 >>How does that interfere with their sweet sweet graft? When they have less money to spread around, the demand goes up, and with it, the supply of bribes.

The number of pitchfork wielding citizens also tends to go up.

Illinois seems to be the bell cow right now but it's just a matter of time. CA, IL and NY all lost over 100,000 people last year. The bills are skyrocketing and the population is shrinking and unlike the feds states don't have money printing machines.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 29, 2017 01:01 PM (/tuJf)

249 I just rented some retail space in CT to a young couple. Their facebook postings are full of over the top anti Trump stuff. At what point should I tell them I voted for Trump?
Posted by: sofa saver at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (4u7kU)

When you raise their rent?
Posted by: Don Q.

When you lock their doors & evict them.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 29, 2017 01:02 PM (0R8lo)

250 @ 224 / Jack Straw.

We went solar a couple of years ago.

It used to be that the state/utility had to reimburse you at the rate they charged you if you put power back into the system. That cut revenue substantially. They changed it to a percentage.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at December 29, 2017 01:02 PM (bB4HN)

251 Cali is in part "low" because for some of our electrical needs, we get from CO and other states and is transmitted to us.

That's the dirty little secret here in Cali. The legislature passed a bill several years ago stating we had to have x% of our electrical needs supplied by renewable - i.e., "bad" electrical sources could not account for y% above a certain amount. They get around it by importing electricity so it counts as "green" or it doesn't count as "bad" generated power.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at December 29, 2017 12:56 PM (bB4HN)

Yep, that's how I'm reading the paper Frum bases his stupid list on. The state where the fuel is used on site gets dinged for having high emissions, even if the electricity is to be sent to another state. So CA gets a break for outsourcing its coal plants to AZ or wherever.

Posted by: stace at December 29, 2017 01:03 PM (6HFDU)

252 CA, IL and NY all lost over 100,000 people last year. The bills are skyrocketing and the population is shrinking and unlike the feds states don't have money printing machines.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 29, 2017 01:01 PM (/tuJf)

CA actually gained slightly in population - when you count illegals. Leave No Lawn Unmown.

It's just the taxpayers who are leaving. The grifters, not so much.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 29, 2017 01:03 PM (/odH0)

253 The carbon tax is possibly one of the best ways of identifying establishment conservatives; a couple of years ago when it was obvious even to the beltway that the global warming narrative was collapsing, the Weekly Standard ran an article whose argument was:

1. The science behind global warming is wrong.
2. The public is realizing it.
3. We should immediately take advantage of this to compromise by enacting cap-and-trade.

"Conservatives can maintain their skepticism about global climate change, but that does not mean that a bit of prudential action might not be appropriate should it turn out that carbon emissions are indeed having a negative effect on climate."

The first part of the article was literally about how global warming science was wrong and losing public support because its wrongness was becoming obvious; the second part was that we should fight it anyway, with new taxes.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 29, 2017 01:03 PM (2lndx)

254 Illinois seems to be the bell cow right now but it's just a matter of time. CA, IL and NY all lost over 100,000 people last year.

The bills are skyrocketing and the population is shrinking

The tax paying population is shrinking. The general population is increasing. Especially in Kali.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 29, 2017 01:03 PM (0R8lo)

255 I just rented some retail space in CT to a young couple. Their facebook postings are full of over the top anti Trump stuff. At what point should I tell them I voted for Trump?

Posted by: sofa saver at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (4u7kU)

When you hand them their eviction notice.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 29, 2017 01:03 PM (kqsXK)

256 At what point should I tell them I voted for Trump?

---

Never. Just take their money and smile.

Posted by: Hank Uflinski at December 29, 2017 01:03 PM (KdDCu)

257 The concern some have here in MD is that the pre-payers could get reamed by the IRS if audited since technically it is a 2018 tax assessment. I hope not.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 29, 2017 12:55 PM (OD2ni)

My reading of the tax code ages ago was that you could either:
1. deduct the taxes in the year they accrued (you get a tax bill Dec 31st, go ahead and deduct)
2. deduct the taxes in the year they were paid

One method or the other, no switching. I think some people are raising an audit flag.

Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at December 29, 2017 01:04 PM (2FqvZ)

258 Getting down to brass tacks....higher taxes only for those that vote "wrong". You deplorable wingers should be punished!

Posted by: Cheri at December 29, 2017 01:04 PM (oiNtH)

259 234 I just rented some retail space in CT to a young couple. Their facebook postings are full of over the top anti Trump stuff. At what point should I tell them I voted for Trump?
Posted by: sofa saver
_________

Right after you hand them their eviction notice.

Posted by: Furious George at December 29, 2017 01:04 PM (j+dfT)

260 A guest on MSNBCs Morning Joe oddly declared Friday that she is worried President Trump may try to invalidate the 2018 midterm elections to avoid a Democratic Congress something the President cant actually do.

LMAO

And she get's paid for those nuggets of gold?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 29, 2017 12:36 PM (5y11N)

Still waiting on Dick Cheney's secret Halliburton army to declare martial law and stop the 2008 election.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 29, 2017 01:04 PM (493sH)

261 We went solar a couple of years ago.

It used to be that the state/utility had to reimburse you at the rate they charged you if you put power back into the system. That cut revenue substantially. They changed it to a percentage.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at December 29, 2017 01:02 PM (bB4HN)

Same here.

It's kinda like mandating mileage standards for cars, and then realizing that as a consequence gasoline tax revenue is dropping, hence recent proposals to tax miles driven rather than gasoline.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 29, 2017 01:05 PM (/odH0)

262 >>It used to be that the state/utility had to reimburse you at the rate they charged you if you put power back into the system. That cut revenue substantially. They changed it to a percentage.

Here too. But I was referring to people doing it on the commercial level where states have passed laws mandating that the get x amount of power from green sources.

The whole scheme will collapse soon enough just like it has been in Europe for some time now.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 29, 2017 01:05 PM (/tuJf)

263 234 I just rented some retail space in CT to a young couple. Their facebook postings are full of over the top anti Trump stuff. At what point should I tell them I voted for Trump?
Posted by: sofa saver at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (4u7kU)

-------

After they have been evicted, and you have changed all the locks.

Posted by: rd at December 29, 2017 01:05 PM (4dz1m)

264 The tax paying population is shrinking. The general population is increasing. Especially in Kali.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 29, 2017 01:03 PM (0R8lo)

Que?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 29, 2017 01:05 PM (/odH0)

265 Maybe those Red States with the yuuuge "carbon footprints" are that way because they produce all the fuel that is burned by the people in those Blue States.

And David Frum is an idiot. It's a family trait.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 29, 2017 01:06 PM (d6iST)

266 At what point should I tell them I voted for Trump?

Tell them that you had planned on raising their rent to cover the high cost of doing business, but that the recent tax cut will allow you to maintain their rent the way it is.

Offer to raise their rent anyway, and send it on to the federal government.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 29, 2017 01:06 PM (2lndx)

267 233 Future Frum: Let's just start taxing and controlling oxygen ... and who gets how much ... and cutting it off for those who can't pay ... and be done with it.
Posted by: ShainS at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (WohSw)

I have a My Pillow with his name on it.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 01:06 PM (mbhDw)

268 The last study I saw concluded that it cost more to heat in the north than to A/C the South. This came out about the time that pricks in the Federal government wanted to ban A/C....their office buildings would, of course, be excluded.
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 29, 2017 12:47 PM (326rv)

I believe it. Heating my house from the ambient 4 degrees to in the mid-50s (then running the wood stove to get the living areas warmer) should use more energy then cooling a house from 90 degrees to 70 degrees, I would think.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 29, 2017 01:06 PM (F5+ro)

269 At what point should I tell them I voted for Trump?

I would tell them with kindness and warn them that it's not wise to potentially cause damage to their business by alienating half the population. They hate when conservatives are kind to them.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 29, 2017 01:07 PM (2DOZq)

270

Tell them you need to add an Environmental Impact Fee to their rent, and see what they say.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 01:08 PM (OX/RF)

271 The last study I saw concluded that it cost more to heat in the north than to A/C the South.

This is sure as hell my experience. It costs a lot more here in Round Rock, Texas, to heat in the winter than to cool in the summer.

The New Year sub-freezing-all-day forecast is not going to help.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 29, 2017 01:08 PM (2lndx)

272 That image above reminds me: I'd really like to see an objective, professional handwriting analysis of Donald Trump's signature; it looks very... revealing.

Posted by: Anonymous 7 at December 29, 2017 01:08 PM (CmQ5p)

273 How is it regional unfairness when 85% of AMERICANS get a tax cut?

Sorry your blue state asses are already over taxed locally, but that's your state's problem. Not Trump's tax cut's.

Posted by: Sponge at December 29, 2017 01:08 PM (Zz0t1)

274 The tax paying population is shrinking. The general population is increasing. Especially in Kali.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 29, 2017 01:03 PM (0R8lo)

Que?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

*bufido

Posted by: rickb223 at December 29, 2017 01:08 PM (0R8lo)

275 You know, I have known many people personally who started out in youth as liberal, but became conservative. I have never met anyone who went the other way.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 29, 2017 01:08 PM (7ZVPa)

276 I saw Profigate Spewing open for Reprobate at the Rubber Glove in '99.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 29, 2017 01:08 PM (vBp5w)

277 241
By all the screaming and scheming being done in the blue states, this SALT kill really was the life blood of the Leftists. Their unmitigated and unending proposals for more taxes and more waste are gonna die quickly.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk

apparently these assholes have been skating for decades. might be time for some clawback. I think the SC ruled retro taxes are supercool and fun.

Posted by: x at December 29, 2017 01:09 PM (nFwvY)

278 Mike Castle still being alive might be the worst fucking thing I've heard this year.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 29, 2017 01:09 PM (y7DUB)

279 I just rented some retail space in CT to a young couple. Their facebook postings are full of over the top anti Trump stuff. At what point should I tell them I voted for Trump?

Posted by: sofa saver at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (4u7kU)

Park a white truck in front of the place

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 29, 2017 01:09 PM (493sH)

280
No, no, no.

Just play to their leftism.
Keep adding idiotic "fees" they can relate to, such as a...

White Privilege monthly fee of $100.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 01:09 PM (OX/RF)

281 209
While Mother Frump was played by -
Margaret Hamilton.

Wicked Witch?
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 12:54 PM (OX/RF)

Margaret Hamilton actually was kind of hot, when she was not made up as the WWotW.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 01:09 PM (mbhDw)

282 263 234 I just rented some retail space in CT to a young couple. Their facebook postings are full of over the top anti Trump stuff. At what point should I tell them I voted for Trump?
Posted by: sofa saver at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (4u7kU)
------------------------
The way I see it, you have a set of keys to the place and, hopefully, a decent sized crawlspace. You merely need a tarp or two, some duct tape, shovel and quick lime and your ready to rent the space to another nice Hillary couple while retaining the security deposit. Profit and Winning!

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 29, 2017 01:09 PM (YV+SU)

283 Why hasn't Trump fired Gestapo Mueller? He explains:

"There is no collusion. And even these committees that have been set up. If you look at what's going on - and in fact, what it's done is, it's really angered the base and made the base stronger. My base is stronger than it's ever been. Great congressmen, in particular, some of the congressmen have been unbelievable in pointing out what a witch hunt the whole thing is. So, I think it's been proven that there is no collusion."

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, The Persistence! at December 29, 2017 01:09 PM (+y/Ru)

284 This is sure as hell my experience. It costs a lot more here in Round Rock, Texas, to heat in the winter than to cool in the summer.

The New Year sub-freezing-all-day forecast is not going to help.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 29, 2017 01:08 PM (2lndx)

Well, you guys also use electricity to create heat, no? Which is like the most expensive way to heat a house.

Lots more BTU's / $ in oil and propane.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 29, 2017 01:10 PM (F5+ro)

285 234 I just rented some retail space in CT to a young couple. Their facebook postings are full of over the top anti Trump stuff. At what point should I tell them I voted for Trump?
Posted by: sofa saver at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (4u7kU)

Do they know about your Helpin' out Po' Folks fee ?

Posted by: jsg at December 29, 2017 01:10 PM (gSwpy)

286 Similar situation for us (NJ). We're paying first half of 2018 today. Accountant says it will get us back more on our 2017 return, and reduce our 2018 liability. After that...I got nothing.

It's worth it to take out $5G from brokerage account. Even with 10% return, we still make out better paying taxes up front. Thanks New Jersey!

Posted by: IrishEi at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (HiDrR)

I haven't even looked at what jersey will do to us. The only time me and the wife even talked about it was before the tax bill passed, and the conversation went like this.

Wife- they say we're going to lose the mortgage deduction.

Me- The house is paid off next year, we won't have a mortgage anyway, sooo...

wife- oh

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at December 29, 2017 01:10 PM (aMlLZ)

287 I believe it. Heating my house from the ambient 4 degrees to in the mid-50s (then running the wood stove to get the living areas warmer) should use more energy then cooling a house from 90 degrees to 70 degrees, I would think.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 29, 2017 01:06 PM (F5+ro)

Cooling my house from 100 to 80, is WAY more expensive per month, then warming my House from 30 to 70....

Summer bills are 2x to 3x higher....

Posted by: Don Q. at December 29, 2017 01:10 PM (NgKpN)

288 How to be a tax cheat by David Frum and all the other democrats.

Posted by: Glenn John at December 29, 2017 01:10 PM (LilNs)

289 "and especially their profligate spewing of greenhouse gases"

What a douchebag. Fuck you, David Frum!

Posted by: Chris M at December 29, 2017 01:10 PM (eAZVt)

290 A payroll tax based on income, levied by the state, it still a state income tax. You would simply shift the burden of reporting and paying it to the employer.

That would take the IRS or Congress about 10 minutes to fix.

How about the state just lowers their income tax?

Posted by: Marcus T at December 29, 2017 01:11 PM (ITji5)

291
Tie Frum, Cuomo and all the other Dems to the word "Loophole" for '18.

Heh.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 01:11 PM (mbhDw)

292 Cooling my house from 100 to 80, is WAY more expensive per month, then warming my House from 30 to 70....

Summer bills are 2x to 3x higher....
Posted by: Don Q. at December 29, 2017 01:10 PM (NgKpN)

I'm going by how much carbon is emitted, not by price. I'm saying in general, I would think that you use more energy to heat something by 50 degrees then you do to cool it by 20 degrees. but idk if that's true or if it only makes sense in my brain.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 29, 2017 01:11 PM (F5+ro)

293 The way I see it, you have a set of keys to the place and, hopefully, a decent sized crawlspace. You merely need a tarp or two, some duct tape, shovel and quick lime and your ready to rent the space to another nice Hillary couple while retaining the security deposit. Profit and Winning!

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 29, 2017 01:09 PM (YV+SU)

Just get your aunts to give them elderberry wine and have "Teddy" take care of the yellow fever victims.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 29, 2017 01:11 PM (493sH)

294 Don't pay taxes, pay charity equal to the tax
required of you? Sounds kind of islamic to me (the interest thing). And
only a progressive would consider funding the government to be a
charity.

Posted by: Methos at December 29, 2017 12:32 PM (XQvuQ)

And charity has to be freely given, or it isn't charity. What happens when the taxpayers tell the State, "Fuck you. We're not feeling charitable today." ?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 29, 2017 01:12 PM (d6iST)

295 Margaret Hamilton actually was kind of hot, when she was not made up as the WWotW.

For some values of OMIGODOMIGODMYEYES.

http://bit.ly/2lqmwmo

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 29, 2017 01:12 PM (WbIyz)

296 289 "and especially their profligate spewing of greenhouse gases"

What a douchebag. Fuck you, David Frum!

Posted by: Chris M at December 29, 2017 01:10 PM (eAZVt)

Q: What grows in greenhouses?
A: Food.

*mic drop*

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 01:12 PM (mbhDw)

297 I'm in a blue state, and I just prepaid $12,000 of next year's property tax. I have never voted for any Democrat, ever. Am I a "tax cheat"?

Posted by: Chris M at December 29, 2017 01:12 PM (eAZVt)

298 >>How about the state just lowers their income tax?

That should happen right around the time they cut the astronomical and growing pension liability they enjoy.

In other words, never.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 29, 2017 01:12 PM (/tuJf)

299 Still waiting on Dick Cheney's secret Halliburton army to declare martial law and stop the 2008 election.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 29, 2017 01:04 PM (493sH)

Speaking of the Warcock, he's been unusually quiet this year although an interview of him praising DJT would make the progs even more insane than usual.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 29, 2017 01:13 PM (y7DUB)

300 297 I'm in a blue state, and I just prepaid $12,000 of next year's property tax. I have never voted for any Democrat, ever. Am I a "tax cheat"?

Posted by: Chris M at December 29, 2017 01:12 PM (eAZVt)

No, but you are taking advantage of a (ahem) "tax loophole" in order to minimize your tax liability.

Which is fine, but many people utilizing the same "loophole" are also the ones screaming about how "the rich" dont pay their fair share and how they use loopholes to avoid taxes etc, etc, etc.

Something ironic in that, no?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 29, 2017 01:13 PM (F5+ro)

301 "How is it regional unfairness when 85% of AMERICANS get a tax cut?"

Because Frum only knows rich liberals in NY, CA, DC, and the MD suburbs of DC.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 29, 2017 01:13 PM (OD2ni)

302 295 Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 29, 2017 01:12 PM (WbIyz)

Should have added "...in a Pedro Almodovar/Picasso-woman sort of way."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 01:13 PM (mbhDw)

303 297 I'm in a blue state, and I just prepaid $12,000 of next year's property tax. I have never voted for any Democrat, ever. Am I a "tax cheat"?

Posted by: Chris M at December 29, 2017 01:12 PM (eAZVt)

-----

Here come the one names.

Posted by: MAGA at December 29, 2017 01:14 PM (+EvKL)

304 Me- The house is paid off next year, we won't have a mortgage anyway, sooo...
wife- oh
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at December 29, 2017 01:10 PM
~~~~~

Nice! Congratulations.

Posted by: IrishEi at December 29, 2017 01:14 PM (HiDrR)

305 Well, you guys also use electricity to create heat, no? Which is like the most expensive way to heat a house.

Not all of us, but yes, my house is electric-only. I'm hoping that by the time I have to replace my AC unit, heat pumps will be a worthwhile addition; though I doubt that will help at sub-32 temps.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 29, 2017 01:14 PM (2lndx)

306
I'm in a blue state, and I just prepaid $12,000 of next year's property tax. I have never voted for any Democrat, ever.

Who cares. I'm in a blue state, too. BY CHOICE. I'm free, as are you, to move.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 01:14 PM (OX/RF)

307 I think for the good of the children and citizens of each State, all Teachers and State Workers should give up their Health Benefits and Pensions and voluntarily get them on the open market like the rest of us?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 29, 2017 01:14 PM (5y11N)

308 Need a bumper sticker that says
"Thou shalt not steal" -FUCK YOU Washington D C!

Posted by: Glenn John at December 29, 2017 01:14 PM (LilNs)

309 299 Still waiting on Dick Cheney's secret Halliburton army to declare martial law and stop the 2008 election.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 29, 2017 01:04 PM (493sH)

Speaking of the Warcock, he's been unusually quiet this year although an interview of him praising DJT would make the progs even more insane than usual.
Posted by: Captain Hate at December 29, 2017 01:13 PM (y7DUB)

High school classmate of mine is his cardiologist and they coauthored a book last year.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 01:14 PM (mbhDw)

310 Well, you guys also use electricity to create heat, no? Which is like the most expensive way to heat a house.

Lots more BTU's / $ in oil and propane.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

no. in Texas we use clean abundant natural gas for heat.

Posted by: x at December 29, 2017 01:14 PM (nFwvY)

311 "So the idea is to make the employer pay taxes, not the employee. This is
thus not income to the employee, and so escapes the tax."

++++++++++

A point any economist worth his salt will make is that, no matter how you split employment taxes, it is ALWAYS the employee who pays them. Either they pay them directly from their pockets or they pay them through money that never reaches their pockets because they receive a lower wage on account of the extra money their employer has to send to the government.

Posted by: redbanzai at December 29, 2017 01:15 PM (rAIG/)

312
oh boo hoo!

I pay $12K/yr in property taxes!
Boo hoo!

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 01:15 PM (OX/RF)

313 Something ironic in that, no?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 29, 2017 01:13 PM (F5+ro)

They twist tax avoidance and tax evasion together when it suits their purpose.

Posted by: jsg at December 29, 2017 01:15 PM (gSwpy)

314 Is it too late for the art thread caption contest?

"Sorry, Klinger, you're still not getting that Sec 8."

Posted by: mindful webworker's timely lateness at December 29, 2017 01:15 PM (Z1oBf)

315
Margaret Hamilton actually was kind of hot, when she was not made up as the WWotW.

No,just no.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at December 29, 2017 01:15 PM (lKyWE)

316 And charity has to be freely given, or it isn't charity. What happens when the taxpayers tell the State, "Fuck you. We're not feeling charitable today." ?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

The state shows up, shoots their dog, and breaks all of their stuff.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 29, 2017 01:15 PM (0R8lo)

317 Posted by: MAGA at December 29, 2017 01:14 PM (+EvKL)

I think he was addressing Frum. I could be wrong.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 29, 2017 01:15 PM (2DOZq)

318 Because when the upper middle class suburban liberals say "tax the rich" they never mean THEM -- because $300,000 a year is not rich to them. (And granted, they live in super high cost of living areas. They aren't what most of us would consider to be rich.)

But according to the IRS, $300,000ish in income puts you in the top 1 to top 2%. So, well, frankly, that IS the rich.

Most mega-billionaires don't pay themselves $100,000,000 a year in income. They may have a ton of wealth, but their actual income is not much higher than the $300,000 who are always bitching about raising the taxes on the rich.

There's a disconnect there, and I'm glad to see it coming home to roost, to be honest.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 29, 2017 01:15 PM (F5+ro)

319 "Because Frum only knows rich liberals in NY, CA, DC, and the MD suburbs of DC.
Posted by: Benji Carver"

I should clarify that Frum would only associate with people from Montgomery County, MD. He would not be caught dead slumming it in PG county.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 29, 2017 01:16 PM (OD2ni)

320 What you will see in a few years is those left in Blue States will be left with no chair.

I am so outta here. About 40% of my neighborhood has moved in the past two years. This will push a good deal of the remainder out. There is simply no compelling reason to live in a state like NY anymore.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 29, 2017 01:16 PM (ITji5)

321 I paid off my mortgage this year. Mrs928 asked me how we could afford to not have the interest deduction. It was all I could do to not facepalm.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 29, 2017 01:16 PM (WbIyz)

322 Margaret Hamilton actually was kind of hot, when she was not made up as the WWotW.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 01:09 PM (mbhDw)

**Spock eyebrow**

Well, I suppose now I must confess my letch for Mary Wilkes.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 29, 2017 01:17 PM (kqsXK)

323 "it would amount to a sizable tax cut for many middle-class families and would vastly simplify tax preparation"
______________________

The good news is that you will pay less in taxes.

The bad news is that you will pay more for all the goods and services that you purchase from employers in your state, because all those employers will be raising their prices to compensate for the increased tax burden and increased tax reporting burden that will be imposed on them.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 29, 2017 01:17 PM (fqUgw)

324 321 I paid off my mortgage this year. Mrs928 asked me how we could afford to not have the interest deduction. It was all I could do to not facepalm.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 29, 2017 01:16 PM (WbIyz)

Last year your interest deduction must have been almost nothing right?

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 29, 2017 01:18 PM (2DOZq)

325 "Here come the one names.

Posted by: MAGA at December 29, 2017 01:14 PM (+EvKL)"

Do you think that my income tax is too low?

Posted by: Chris M at December 29, 2017 01:18 PM (eAZVt)

326 I'm in a blue state, and I just prepaid $12,000 of next year's property tax. I have never voted for any Democrat, ever. Am I a "tax cheat"?

Posted by: Chris M

++++++

You're exploiting a loophole used by the wealthy to avoid taxes.

If you're a Republican, its not a problem. If you're a liberal, youre a hypocrite

Posted by: Apache at December 29, 2017 01:18 PM (uc45P)

327 A point any economist worth his salt will make

---

The whole point of having employees is they generate more income than it costs you to keep them working. If the work they do doesn't pay, you don't keep them around for long. This includes any taxes you would have to pay to the state to keep those employees on the payroll.

Posted by: Hank Uflinski at December 29, 2017 01:18 PM (KdDCu)

328
Remember mean old MRS OLSEN on Little House On The Prairie?

Yeah, JJ, she was kinda hot too.

Well, not really.

But she did have enormous mammaries.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 01:19 PM (OX/RF)

329 321 I paid off my mortgage this year. Mrs928 asked me how we could afford to not have the interest deduction. It was all I could do to not facepalm.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 29, 2017 01:16 PM (WbIyz)

Yeah, let's continue to pay thousands of dollars a year of interest to the bank so that we can not send a quarter (or whatever your tax rate is) of that interest to the government. OR, we can keep 75% of the money and give 25% to the govt. Instead of 75% to the bank, and 25% to us.

(I've had similar convos with my own friends and family, not trying to pick on the Mrs.)

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 29, 2017 01:19 PM (F5+ro)

330 I'm going by how much carbon is emitted, not by price. I'm saying in general, I would think that you use more energy to heat something by 50 degrees then you do to cool it by 20 degrees. but idk if that's true or if it only makes sense in my brain.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 29, 2017 01:11 PM (F5+ro)

Heat transfer coefficients of insulation don't really change... but...

A house being which you are trying to cool, has two ways its being heated... the Radiant energy from the sun, and the heat conducted to the walls from contact with the Air...

A House being heated, the energy transfer is just the opposite for conduction, as energy is going out... but there is only a small amount of radiant energy from your house (known as black body radiation...)...

So when cooling, you are fighting two methods of heat transfer... when heating really only one...

Which makes the difference...

Posted by: Don Q. at December 29, 2017 01:19 PM (NgKpN)

331 Why not an AGW tax on Frum's methane production?

Posted by: Jean at December 29, 2017 01:20 PM (/LYxC)

332 Also, can't the Executive Branch as an Executive Order via the IRS declare "guidance" that a payroll tax counts as an income tax?

Obama was able to make the IRS declare any war on any right-leaning political group.

Posted by: Apache at December 29, 2017 01:20 PM (uc45P)

333 Most people will not really be deducting anything next year, because the standard deduction increased so much.

Posted by: Chris M at December 29, 2017 01:20 PM (eAZVt)

334 I want a Hollywood or NFL tax, anyone making over 300 grand or the NFL minimum whatever that is you get a 70% tax. And that money goes to the VA a nice little FU to them if they protest it they are denying needy vets the money.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 29, 2017 01:21 PM (dKiJG)

335 "no. in Texas we use clean abundant natural gas for heat."

Sister and BIL have an all electric house up in Hunt County (east of Dallas). I can heat my pool to 90 with gas cheaper than they can to keep their house at 67 with electricity. I won't have a house without gas even its in a tank on the yard.

Posted by: DanMan at December 29, 2017 01:21 PM (XTiHL)

336 Last year your interest deduction must have been almost nothing right?

It was still pretty substantial last year. I paid off the mortgage by liquidating some investment savings, inb one sense a bad deal because of the MAGA in the last half of this year but whatchagonnado?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 29, 2017 01:21 PM (WbIyz)

337 I can't wait for 2018 to watch the SJWs argue the rich are paying too much under Trump. This is going to be great!

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 29, 2017 01:21 PM (YV+SU)

338 "Remember mean old MRS OLSEN on Little House On The Prairie?

Yeah, JJ, she was kinda hot too.

Well, not really.

But she did have enormous mammaries.
Posted by: Soothsayer -"

Half-pint has huge boobies as well.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 29, 2017 01:21 PM (OD2ni)

339 What happens when the taxpayers tell the State, "Fuck you. We're not feeling charitable today." ?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 29, 2017 01:12 PM (d6iST)

yadda, yadda, yadda, and you get a beer named after you.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at December 29, 2017 01:21 PM (AURKQ)

340 This will push a good deal of the remainder out. There is simply no compelling reason to live in a state like NY anymore.

What has happened to NY since I grew up there in the 70's is nothing short of criminal. Just thinking about it makes me very angry.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at December 29, 2017 01:21 PM (kUmUV)

341 Weren't people hit by the AMT already locked out of state tax deductions on their federal return anyway?

Posted by: Apache at December 29, 2017 01:22 PM (uc45P)

342 There's a downside to Trump's tax plan: It will encourage blue state liberals to leave their host state and spread their socialist disease across the country.

Posted by: Socratease at December 29, 2017 01:22 PM (2GbWn)

343
(I've had similar convos with my own friends and family, not trying to pick on the Mrs.)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

Same, with intelligence folks. Withholding distortion field. End withholding!

Posted by: Jean at December 29, 2017 01:22 PM (/LYxC)

344 >>Remember mean old MRS OLSEN on Little House On The Prairie?

She gave the best Gobber in Walnut Grove.

Posted by: garrett at December 29, 2017 01:22 PM (tAJt0)

345
Half-pint has huge boobies as well.

Which one was that? Nellie?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 01:22 PM (OX/RF)

346 Cuomo doesnt like it because the change in deductions exposes the states Ponzi scheme.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 29, 2017 01:22 PM (ITji5)

347 I won't have a house without gas even its in a tank on the yard.

Posted by: DanMan

--

Same here.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 29, 2017 01:22 PM (7ZVPa)

348 A white box truck has blocked my view of David Frum's genitalia.

The funny part is, it's a Matchbox truck.

Posted by: zombie at December 29, 2017 01:23 PM (42M22)

349 336 Last year your interest deduction must have been almost nothing right?

It was still pretty substantial last year. I paid off the mortgage by liquidating some investment savings, inb one sense a bad deal because of the MAGA in the last half of this year but whatchagonnado?
-------------------
I'd watch out for your house price dropping to offset the property/state income tax ceiling. May be time to escape the Blue Model.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 29, 2017 01:23 PM (YV+SU)

350 321 I paid off my mortgage this year. Mrs928 asked me how we could afford to not have the interest deduction. It was all I could do to not facepalm.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 29, 2017 01:16 PM (WbIyz)

Yeah.... only a politician, and bankers... could come up with a scheme whereby you pay less taxes, if you are in debt to a bank...

As a way to increase 'home ownership'...

I own my home outright... I'm laughing right now...

Posted by: Don Q. at December 29, 2017 01:23 PM (NgKpN)

351 My property taxes in jersey are $8200, but I don't live in a "hip" area. Some of my relatives though, shit they're getting it in the ass, like 15-20K a year.

Zoo maintenance is costly, and those slaver dems love their zoos. I've been to one they call Newark, and jersey city, the other 3 or 4, like Camden, Patterson, Trenton etc will have to wait. Seen one you seen them all.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at December 29, 2017 01:23 PM (aMlLZ)

352
Weren't some of you saying recently Mrs Bellows was hot stuff??

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 01:23 PM (OX/RF)

353 I won't have a house without gas even its in a tank on the yard.

Sweet Mother Propane.

Posted by: Hank Hill at December 29, 2017 01:23 PM (WbIyz)

354 >>>Remember mean old MRS OLSEN on Little House On The Prairie?

Ah, Mrs. Olsen.

She had a mouth like a three day old lamb.

Posted by: Dr. Hiram Baker at December 29, 2017 01:23 PM (tAJt0)

355 234
I just rented some retail space in CT to a young couple. Their facebook
postings are full of over the top anti Trump stuff. At what point should
I tell them I voted for Trump?

Posted by: sofa saver at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (4u7kU)
************************************
Prolly should not tell. They are libs and will likely fail at their business, so don't be first in line to get stiffed.

Posted by: Bonecrusher at December 29, 2017 01:24 PM (JNTt1)

356 "Half-pint has huge boobies as well.

Which one was that? Nellie?
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter"

Laura (Melissa Gilbert). I think she is married to Poindexter from Revenge of the Nerds now.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 29, 2017 01:24 PM (OD2ni)

357 The new standard deduction will probably make a surge of homeowners pay of their mortgage as its not worth itemizing anyway and claiming that deduction.

The tax plan did a really good job getting rid of a lot of social engineering for a large swath of the population.

Posted by: Apache at December 29, 2017 01:25 PM (uc45P)

358

Married to Bruce Boxleitner, no?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 01:25 PM (OX/RF)

359 I own my home outright... I'm laughing right now...

No you actually don't. You are a serf paying annual rent to the lord of the manor, in this case the State. See how much you'll own if you choose not to make that payment.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at December 29, 2017 01:25 PM (kUmUV)

360 I'd watch out for your house price dropping to offset the property/state income tax ceiling. May be time to escape the Blue Model.

I live in a fairly stable resort/retirement area. My home values hasn't varied more than 10% during the entire depression, as least per Zillow.

I am fortunate.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 29, 2017 01:26 PM (WbIyz)

361 "Weren't some of you saying recently Mrs Bellows was hot stuff??
Posted by: Soothsayer -"

I thought she was pretty. Not as hot as Felix Unger's ex-wife Gloria but pretty.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 29, 2017 01:26 PM (OD2ni)

362 You nailed it, Ace. I have been saying the same thing. You should have seen the Tax Collector's office in my wealthy liberal, Northeastern town the other day. Everyone rushing in to pay property taxes before the cap goes into effect in 2018. They want those max deductions, but I kept thinking why: aren't these the people who have been for years romantically looking back at the 1950s and the 90% marginal rates. So now their property tax deductions will be capped at $10,000 and they are beating down the doors to avoid paying a little more next year. Makes one wonder whom they thought would actually pay higher taxes if/when they got their wish. I really do think they believe there are a handful of mysterious billionaires out their who can shoulder the $20 trillion debt, higher taxes, universal healthcare, universal pre-K, etc. etc.

Posted by: Lex at December 29, 2017 01:26 PM (jQn9t)

363

Pigeon Sisters?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 01:26 PM (OX/RF)

364
Weren't some of you saying recently Mrs Bellows was hot stuff??
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 01:23 PM (OX/RF)

She was no Mrs Kravitz

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at December 29, 2017 01:26 PM (lKyWE)

365
She was no Mrs Kravitz

Who was no Mrs Stevens.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 29, 2017 01:27 PM (OX/RF)

366 She was no Mrs Kravitz

who was no Endora.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 29, 2017 01:27 PM (WbIyz)

367 Warcock clearly maintained control of the weather

Posted by: Jean at December 29, 2017 01:27 PM (/LYxC)

368 Dump all yer TurboTax stocks now!!!

Go loooooooooong on the Abacus.

And Vodka futures.

Posted by: dananjcon at December 29, 2017 01:27 PM (xqfqx)

369 All those carbon molecules emitted by the tailpipes of western ranchers have caused so much global warming that this week it's thirty below in all the carbon-spewing states.

So much for Anthropogenic Catastrophic Global Warming Theory.

Posted by: zombie at December 29, 2017 01:28 PM (42M22)

370 Does this cuck realize an election took place where one of the big things that was sorta mentioned (and by mentioned I mean a lot) that climate change is a load of horseshit and we're not doing that now?

Imagine being this out of touch with fucking reality. This is like a whole 'nother spectrum of autism. No one can be this fucking obtuse.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 29, 2017 01:28 PM (4ErVI)

371 "What has happened to NY since I grew up there in the 70's is nothing short of criminal. Just thinking about it makes me very angry.
Posted by: moon_over_vermont"

I grew up in upstate NY and agree with you completely.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 29, 2017 01:28 PM (OD2ni)

372 359 I own my home outright... I'm laughing right now...

No you actually don't. You are a serf paying annual rent to the lord of the manor, in this case the State. See how much you'll own if you choose not to make that payment.
Posted by: moon_over_vermont at December 29, 2017 01:25 PM (kUmUV)

Preaching to the choir...

Luckily.... I'm still covered by Prop 13 here in Clownifornia too...

Posted by: Don Q. at December 29, 2017 01:28 PM (NgKpN)

373 "The tax plan did a really good job getting rid of a lot of social engineering for a large swath of the population."

They took away all financial incentive for me to give to charity by raising the standard deduction so high.

Posted by: Chris M at December 29, 2017 01:28 PM (eAZVt)

374 310. Clean-burning, efficient propane. Strickland Propane is our provider.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 29, 2017 01:28 PM (fA1SL)

375 Laura (Melissa Gilbert). I think she is married to Poindexter from Revenge of the Nerds now.
Posted by: Benji Carver

Horde knowledge is astounding.
Yes, she is.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 29, 2017 01:28 PM (0R8lo)

376 I own my home outright... I'm laughing right now...

No you actually don't. You are a serf paying annual rent to the lord of the manor, in this case the State. See how much you'll own if you choose not to make that payment.
Posted by: moon_over_vermont

Except in Texas, right

Posted by: Jean at December 29, 2017 01:29 PM (/LYxC)

377 I'd have done Agnes Moorehead....unless that was some kind of bait n switch

Posted by: x at December 29, 2017 01:29 PM (nFwvY)

378 After I signed my mortgage, I visited my relatives and my brothers shook my hand, welcoming me to the world of itemizing. To tell the truth, I was a little ticked off that I'd always taken the standardized deduction even with tithing. It wasn't until I borrowed enormously (fir me) that I could write off some contributions.

And my tax bill due in February is $566, which gives you an idea that I'm not a high roller. My neighbor was already crying because she and hubby have rental properties in three or four school districts and NOT FAIR to pay multiple millages when they can vote in only one. She will probably want to complain some more about this.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at December 29, 2017 01:29 PM (G8B7r)

379 371 "What has happened to NY since I grew up there in the 70's is nothing short of criminal. Just thinking about it makes me very angry.
Posted by: moon_over_vermont"

I grew up in upstate NY and agree with you completely.
Posted by: Benji Carver at December 29, 2017 01:28 PM (OD2ni)

Still living, if you could call it that, here in Hymietown.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 01:30 PM (mbhDw)

380 Posted by: Don Q. at December 29, 2017 01:00 PM (NgKpN)

The accountants told us to pay it. We were worried about an AMT trigger, but they said to go ahead and pay (it is due 2/15, so we have a bill). If it is a problem, it is a problem. Not the first time NYS or the Feds have fined us.

Posted by: Ann at December 29, 2017 01:30 PM (jtHQy)

381 Married to Bruce Boxleitner, no?
Posted by: Soothsayer

Was.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 29, 2017 01:30 PM (0R8lo)

382 >>They took away all financial incentive for me to give to charity by raising the standard deduction so high.

Financial Incentive and Charity are mutually exclusive.

Nobody can stop you from being Charitable.

Only you can do that.

Posted by: garrett at December 29, 2017 01:30 PM (tAJt0)

383 377 I'd have done Agnes Moorehead....unless that was some kind of bait n switch
Posted by: x at December 29, 2017 01:29 PM (nFwvY)

Moore Head. QED.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 01:30 PM (mbhDw)

384 Mary was the hot Ingalls daughter.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 29, 2017 01:31 PM (ul9CR)

385 While charitable donations are still tax deductible, gift taxes n exchange for donations are now either forbidden or taxed at the level of donation.

So the dollar for dollar tax credit will be taxable.

Posted by: MAGA at December 29, 2017 01:31 PM (+EvKL)

386 What has happened to NY since I grew up there in the 70's is nothing short of criminal. Just thinking about it makes me very angry.
Posted by: moon_over_vermont at December 29, 2017 01:21 PM (kUmUV)

Since they've insisted on having those asshole Cuomos heading up the state, your scorn is well placed.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 29, 2017 01:31 PM (y7DUB)

387 371 "What has happened to NY since I grew up there in the 70's is nothing short of criminal. Just thinking about it makes me very angry.
Posted by: moon_over_vermont"

I grew up in upstate NY and agree with you completely.
-------------------
My wife is from upstate and we vacation there every year to the let the grand parents/cousins get to know Future Leader. My estimate is upstate is nothing more than a tax farm and landfill for NYC. Its a very pretty tax farm and landfill, though.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 29, 2017 01:31 PM (YV+SU)

388 Gee, what ever happened to the women who reappeared to claim President Trump sexually assaulted them? I find it fascinating that every time something politically significant is about to take place, aka Tax Bill, Alabama election, etc. the allegations become newsworthy!

Posted by: Concerned Peoples Front at December 29, 2017 01:31 PM (2X7pN)

389 In Texas, property taxes average around three percent. Which means that over a 30 year mortgage, you would also be paying the value of the mortgage in taxes to the state.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 29, 2017 01:31 PM (7ZVPa)

390 Not hearing a lot about taxes being the price of a free society from my liberal friends. Unexpectedly.

Posted by: Regular joe at December 29, 2017 01:31 PM (7PllL)

391 Liberals never want us to keep our own money. Frum and his pals, can always send the IRS more of their money voluntarily; but they never seem to do that.

Posted by: Archer at December 29, 2017 01:32 PM (gbWkA)

392 "Still living, if you could call it that, here in Hymietown.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton"

For any 25 year old lurkers from Media Matters, Jesse Jackson called NY Hymietown in the 80's so buzz off.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 29, 2017 01:33 PM (OD2ni)

393 Amazing ignorance of basic economics. Cost of any carbon tax will be passed on to the consumer. Impossible to prevent otherwise.
The idea of using payroll tax to replace SIT is even more unworkable.
What you get when the gentry class tries to get out of paying for the welfare state.

Posted by: standfast24 at December 29, 2017 01:33 PM (PNFIr)

394 I am actually surprised that California doesn't have Salmon Tolls on their rivers.

Posted by: garrett at December 29, 2017 12:58 PM (tAJt0)

Hold on, I'm coming!

Posted by: Salmon Dave at December 29, 2017 01:34 PM (d6iST)

395 I bet Nellie went commando under her petticoats.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 29, 2017 01:34 PM (ul9CR)

396 Yeah, that the reason Calif. is on the list? They buy energy from out
of State... and because they already Tax carbon, a lot of industry moved
away...

And it's undoubtedly per capita. I'm pretty sure NYS and CA produce a fuck of alot more carbon dioxide than, say, Wyoming.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 29, 2017 01:35 PM (QCX64)

397 "Nobody can stop you from being Charitable.

Only you can do that."

Yup. I'm not changing anything. I guess I won't need to use the envelopes at church anymore, since I won't be reporting it.

Posted by: Chris M at December 29, 2017 01:35 PM (eAZVt)

398 In Texas, property taxes average around three percent. Which means that over a 30 year mortgage, you would also be paying the value of the mortgage in taxes to the state.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada

But, after three generations, it's free - right.

Posted by: Jean at December 29, 2017 01:35 PM (/LYxC)

399 Posted by: Hank Uflinski at December 29, 2017 01:18 PM <<<<<

Not sure if you were agreeing with him or not, but yes less taxes a corp pays means its easier to keep employees.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 29, 2017 01:36 PM (r+sAi)

400 She was no Mrs Kravitz

who was no Endora.

Who was no Tabitha.

Posted by: Roman Polanski at December 29, 2017 01:36 PM (kqsXK)

401 "The tax plan did a really good job getting rid of a lot of social engineering for a large swath of the population."

They took away all financial incentive for me to give to charity by raising the standard deduction so high.

If the GOPe wasn't so obdurately clueless I'd say this was brilliant on their part. The Unpeople of Jesusland will continue to generously tithe to their churches because that's what they do. Meanwhile the misers on the left will go into full Scrooge mode regarding their dicksuck charity scams and dry those fuckers up because there's nothing tangible in it for them.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 29, 2017 01:36 PM (y7DUB)

402 Since they've insisted on having those asshole Cuomos heading up the state, your scorn is well placed.

Rockefeller was little better. I saw what he did to Troy. My word, the city looked like pictures of Munich in 1945. Literal piles of rubble from demolished buildings mounded as high as could be left there for years - all in the name of "urban renewal". New York used to make things; GE, Kodak, Zerox, Coring Glass, foundries from here to forever employing tens of thousands of skilled workers. All gone now. (sorry, getting angry again)

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at December 29, 2017 01:36 PM (kUmUV)

403 On Bing ___s of young Margaret Hamilton.

Quite the schnoz.

Posted by: Glenn John at December 29, 2017 01:37 PM (LilNs)

404 I would have loved to see a change to the 501C regs to go along with this Tax Bill.

Let them Sunset every 5 years and re-apply after a full audit.

Posted by: garrett at December 29, 2017 01:37 PM (tAJt0)

405 "Since they've insisted on having those asshole Cuomos heading up the state, your scorn is well placed.
Posted by: Captain Hat"

It is really the public sector unions that control the state. Teachers and Healthcare workers being the most powerful. The politicians just serve their masters. And don't get me started on the rent control mobs when even minor reforms are proposed.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 29, 2017 01:37 PM (OD2ni)

406 Is it me, or do you immediately have impure thoughts when you meet a 'Tabitha'?

Posted by: garrett at December 29, 2017 01:37 PM (tAJt0)

407 I have a My Pillow with his name on it.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 01:06 PM (mbhDw)

=======

Heh. It took me a minute to get that one -- great visual.

Posted by: ShainS at December 29, 2017 01:38 PM (ovJSS)

408 Imagine being this out of touch with fucking reality. This is like a
whole 'nother spectrum of autism. No one can be this fucking obtuse.
=====

Yes, they can. My house is worth x $ because the tax assessor say so. I made a great investment. Too bad, so sad if you really live there. This is how the bubbles are made . . .

Posted by: mustbequantum at December 29, 2017 01:38 PM (MIKMs)

409 392 "Still living, if you could call it that, here in Hymietown.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton"

For any 25 year old lurkers from Media Matters, Jesse Jackson called NY Hymietown in the 80's so buzz off.
Posted by: Benji Carver at December 29, 2017 01:33 PM (OD2ni)

I once used that in one of my posts and Ace cautioned me against it, despite the fact that the-uh-Reverend-uh-JACK-ssuunn referred to us in that fashion loudly and publicly.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 01:38 PM (mbhDw)

410 393 Amazing ignorance of basic economics. Cost of any carbon tax will be passed on to the consumer. Impossible to prevent otherwise.
The idea of using payroll tax to replace SIT is even more unworkable.
What you get when the gentry class tries to get out of paying for the welfare state.
Posted by: standfast24 at December 29, 2017 01:33 PM (PNFIr)

The carbon tax in Calif has had an interesting effect.

Carbon intensive industries moved out of State... there is NO revenue at all coming in from the Carbon Credit BS...

So carbon production moved to another place, taking those jobs with them.

Just like our own EPA created the conditions where we outsourced manufacturing to China, which just outsourced the production of pollution to China... because Transportation now costs less than the artificial cost of EPA regulation.

Posted by: Don Q. at December 29, 2017 01:38 PM (NgKpN)

411 That was images of young Margaret Hamilton
If she ever had kids with Jimmy Durante
A schnoz for the ages.

Posted by: Glenn John at December 29, 2017 01:38 PM (LilNs)

412 Agnes Moorhead:

https://tinyurl.com/77bc8wk

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 29, 2017 01:38 PM (kqsXK)

413 "While charitable donations are still tax deductible"

This will only apply to the people who itemize. And a huge number of them just disappeared.

Posted by: Chris M at December 29, 2017 01:38 PM (eAZVt)

414 403 On Bing ___s of young Margaret Hamilton.

Quite the schnoz.
Posted by: Glenn John at December 29, 2017 01:37 PM (LilNs)

Pedro Almodovar leading lady material.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 01:39 PM (mbhDw)

415 406 Is it me, or do you immediately have impure thoughts when you meet a 'Tabitha'?
Posted by: garrett at December 29, 2017 01:37 PM (tAJt0)

I don't think I'e ever met a Tabitha.

If she was hot, sure I would.

Posted by: rickl at December 29, 2017 01:39 PM (xjiRE)

416 402. The gutting of our grand industrial centers is the political and economic crime if the century.
It's coming back, but not fast enough.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 29, 2017 01:39 PM (fA1SL)

417 I once used that in one of my posts and Ace cautioned me against it

Isn't that like a rapper using the n-word?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 29, 2017 01:39 PM (WbIyz)

418 Nood Colloosion.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 29, 2017 01:40 PM (AURKQ)

419 416 402. The gutting of our grand industrial centers is the political and economic crime if the century.
It's coming back, but not fast enough.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 29, 2017 01:39 PM (fA1SL)

The other edge of that sword is malignant trade unionism.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 01:40 PM (mbhDw)

420 I saw the video that James Woods tweeted of the Tent City in California, dear God. I hand to take a shower after watching it.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 29, 2017 01:41 PM (dKiJG)

421 Rockefeller was little better.

Nelson Rockefeller, George Romney and William Scranton form the RINO Trinity.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 29, 2017 01:42 PM (y7DUB)

422
All of this is why we should have a flat federal tax, otherwise it creates all kinds of perverse incentives, this new bill actually has people paying state taxes ahead of time!

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 29, 2017 01:42 PM (r+sAi)

423 Agnes Moorhead:

https://tinyurl.com/77bc8wk

Whoa. She's got like an 18" waist.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 29, 2017 01:42 PM (WbIyz)

424
I have a feeling these state and local governments are encouraging the pre-payment of taxes so they get their hands on the money NOW instead of six to 12 months from now.

I also have a feeling the IRS is going to say, "Expense did not accrue in 2017, so NOT deductible on 2017 return. Period."

Meanwhile your state or local government will supply you with some crocodile tears.

Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at December 29, 2017 01:43 PM (2FqvZ)

425
Posted by: Hank Uflinski at December 29, 2017 01:18 PM <<<<<

Not sure if you were agreeing with him or not, but yes less taxes a corp pays means its easier to keep employees.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 29, 2017 01:36 PM

Yes, that was meant to be an agreement, however poorly stated.

I read a fragment of something to the effect that Thomas Jefferson was making an argument that keeping slaves was not economical. If you flip that over you can make the case that free people will work harder for less compensation than a slave would demand.

I've not tried to prove either of those conclusions, but they both ring true to me.

Posted by: Hank Uflinski at December 29, 2017 01:46 PM (KdDCu)

426

The top five most carbon-efficient jurisdictions are D.C., New York,
California, Vermont, and Massachusetts. The five worst: Wyoming, North
Dakota, West Virginia, Alaska, and Louisiana.

Turn those taps off and freeze a progressive asshat in the dark. Just like the late '70s bumpersticker.

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 29, 2017 01:46 PM (QLvwG)

427 Big to-do here in Fairfax County, VA as the tax office is swamped with people wanting to prepay their taxes. Trouble is, the tax hasn't been assessed yet, nor has it even been calculated, and from what I understand the information systems used by the County don't track prepayments very well. So it's a huge mess.

The funny thing is, stories here aren't really touching on working families who can't afford to prepay a year's property tax in one of the highest-tax counties in the US. All that really matters from that perspective is that the rich liberals get their tax breaks.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at December 29, 2017 01:46 PM (eytER)

428
If the GOPe wasn't so obdurately clueless I'd
say this was brilliant on their part. The Unpeople of Jesusland will
continue to generously tithe to their churches because that's what they
do. Meanwhile the misers on the left will go into full Scrooge mode
regarding their dicksuck charity scams and dry those fuckers up because
there's nothing tangible in it for them. Posted by: Captain Hate at December 29, 2017 01:36 PM (y7DUB)
=====

Truth.

Posted by: mustbequantum at December 29, 2017 01:48 PM (MIKMs)

429 "275 You know, I have known many people personally who started out in youth as liberal, but became conservative. I have never met anyone who went the other way."

I have, actually. And to a tee, they are people on the wrong side of 45 with little to nothing to show for their lives. They go hard left in middle age because they are desperately looking for someone, other than themselves and their own poor decisions, to blame for their myriad of personal failures.

Posted by: wordsmith92 at December 29, 2017 01:48 PM (4XzXX)

430 379 371 "What has happened to NY since I grew up there in the 70's is nothing short of criminal. Just thinking about it makes me very angry.
Posted by: moon_over_vermont"

I grew up in upstate NY and agree with you completely.
Posted by: Benji Carver at December 29, 2017 01:28 PM (OD2ni)

Still living, if you could call it that, here in Hymietown.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 29, 2017 01:30 PM (mbhDw)

I've said before that I would have loved to live in upstate New York. It's so beautiful, but no way with the taxes. They've absolutely destroyed the rest of the state with high taxes. Drove out all the employers too.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 29, 2017 01:48 PM (4ErVI)

431 They took away all financial incentive for me to give to charity by raising the standard deduction so high.

Financial Incentive and Charity are mutually exclusive.

Nobody can stop you from being Charitable.

Only you can do that.

Posted by: garrett at December 29, 2017 01:30 PM (tAJt0)

I agree... if you feel moved to give, give. The government should not enter into it.

Posted by: redbanzai at December 29, 2017 02:01 PM (3JA/M)

432 I also have a feeling the IRS is going to say, "Expense did not accrue in 2017, so NOT deductible on 2017 return. Period."
Posted by: Acme Trucking Enterprises, White Truck Division at December 29, 2017 01:43 PM
~~~~~

I pre-pay my first quarter estimated federal taxes all the time. For state and local, you can only pre-pay that which has already been billed. We got our tax bill for 2018 about a month ago for quarters 1 and 2.

Posted by: IrishEi at December 29, 2017 02:06 PM (HiDrR)

433 The media continue to call David Frum a conservative; yet he persisted.

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at December 29, 2017 02:09 PM (o7l6R)

434 If the Blue States repeal their income taxes, and transform them to payroll taxes, then they completely eliminate any deduction that their residents could have taken.

Let's see how this works:
"With the new tax law, in 2018 I can only deduct $10,000 of my $12,000 income tax. Changing to a payroll tax, I have no deduction at all. Of course I don't have $12,000 income taxes to pay, but I took a salary hit to offset it. So I'm still out that $12,000, but now none of it is deductible."

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at December 29, 2017 02:34 PM (o7l6R)

435 akkkkshuuuualllllyyyyy....blue states subsidize you red states because uhhh virginia is still considered a red state. And military bases are subsidies, right?

Posted by: internet expert at December 29, 2017 02:45 PM (V3U1L)

436 David Frum got up and his vagina was itchy and on fire. It made him irritable, then angry. He was so angry, that he wrote this column.

Cause is vagina is infected and painful.

Posted by: Donald at December 29, 2017 03:02 PM (ulmY0)

437 Democrats and NeverTrumpers proposing wish-lists of taxes... They know there are these little things called elections, right?

Posted by: Alec Rawls at December 29, 2017 03:15 PM (AphMS)

438 Frum is MURF backwards. Smurfs are blue. Frum blows.
The transitive property, Frum is blue and so are lib/commies.

That is all.

Posted by: SUG at December 29, 2017 03:21 PM (dMrJJ)

439 Everywhere there is a carbon tax there is mass Islamic immigration so they should add jihadies to their just-lost-national-elections wish-list. Go together like hammer and sickle.

Posted by: Alec Rawls at December 29, 2017 03:22 PM (AphMS)

440 I agree on a carbon tax. But on the production side. all gas and oil leaving the state needs to have its carbon taxed, paid for by the receiving users. paid to the state that produced the energy. Do not like: go without the energy

Posted by: politics uber alles at December 29, 2017 03:54 PM (DOPuI)

441 Don't all the globull warming deniers know that it would be 50 below zero rather than 30 below zero because +400ppm CO2? sheesh

Posted by: torabora at December 29, 2017 04:00 PM (irC44)

442 Sign in

Posted by: andycanuck at December 29, 2017 04:52 PM (QCX64)

443 So make the state taxes a charitable deduction, huh?
And how are the state's going to qualify as federal 501c3s? 'Cause if they aren't you CAN'T DEDUCT from your federal taxes.

As to shifting to a payroll tax, fine. And the company will have 2 options: raise prices or lower wages. The kiddies won't be getting a tax break that route.

It really sucks to have a powerful central gov't, don't it, progs?

Posted by: GWB at December 29, 2017 05:02 PM (QHHuJ)

444 437
You want more Trump? Because this is how you got Trump.

Posted by: GWB at December 29, 2017 05:04 PM (QHHuJ)

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