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Whitcombe Nile.jpg

Battle Of The Nile
Thomas Whitcombe

Nelson!

Posted by: CBD at 09:30 AM




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1 Morning Warship service.

Posted by: Muldoon at December 05, 2017 09:27 AM (wPiJc)

2 First!

Posted by: Hawkpilot at December 05, 2017 09:27 AM (p6e8W)

3 L'Orient explodes.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Feel the Rocket's Red Glare with a Lil' Hoister Petard from the Outrage Outlet! at December 05, 2017 09:27 AM (hLRSq)

4 Dang it! I'll get the others...

Posted by: Hawkpilot at December 05, 2017 09:27 AM (p6e8W)

5 "I swear, Nelson, I don't even know who you are anymore."

Posted by: Kris at December 05, 2017 09:30 AM (nwqNw)

6 Casabianca
The boy stood on the burning deck
Whence all but he had fled;
The flame that lit the battle's wreck
Shone round him o'er the dead.
Yet beautiful and bright he stood,
As born to rule the storm;
A creature of heroic blood,
A proud, though childlike form.
The flames roll'd on...he would not go
Without his father's word;
That father, faint in death below,
His voice no longer heard.
He call'd aloud..."Say, father, say
If yet my task is done!"
He knew not that the chieftain lay
Unconscious of his son.
"Speak, father!" once again he cried
"If I may yet be gone!"
And but the booming shots replied,
And fast the flames roll'd on.
Upon his brow he felt their breath,
And in his waving hair,
And looked from that lone post of death,
In still yet brave despair;
And shouted but one more aloud,
"My father, must I stay?"
While o'er him fast, through sail and shroud
The wreathing fires made way,
They wrapt the ship in splendour wild,
They caught the flag on high,
And stream'd above the gallant child,
Like banners in the sky.
There came a burst of thunder sound...
The boy-oh! where was he?
Ask of the winds that far around
With fragments strewed the sea.
With mast, and helm, and pennon fair,
That well had borne their part;
But the noblest thing which perished there
Was that young faithful heart.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Feel the Rocket's Red Glare with a Lil' Hoister Petard from the Outrage Outlet! at December 05, 2017 09:30 AM (hLRSq)

7 Morning, y'all. Had to get some stuff done early, so missed JJ's AM thread...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 05, 2017 09:31 AM (MINbv)

8 What an explosion! Think of the seamen!

Posted by: George Takei at December 05, 2017 09:31 AM (oVJmc)

9 First appearance of Slender Man.

Posted by: Ava Banana at December 05, 2017 09:32 AM (0047d)

10 FIRE!!

Posted by: Rick in SK at December 05, 2017 09:32 AM (FZYNt)

11 Full Nelson or just half?

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 05, 2017 09:32 AM (NWiLs)

12 We were bound to get another nautically themed painting schooner or later...

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 05, 2017 09:32 AM (hcyUh)

13 View of Poli Street from Ventura Harbor?

Posted by: Adobe Juan Kenobe at December 05, 2017 09:32 AM (q1tz9)

14 The Nile? Reminds me of a joke.

Q: How do you tell the difference between an alligator and a crocodile?



A: One you'll see later, and one you'll see after a while.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 05, 2017 09:32 AM (vVRlw)

15 Battle of Denial?

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 05, 2017 09:32 AM (ul9CR)

16 What an explosion! Think of the seamen!


MmMMmMMmmm

That's all I can think about

...Baracky...

Posted by: Bruce at December 05, 2017 09:32 AM (8ikIW)

17 what's not to love here?

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 05, 2017 09:33 AM (KP5rU)

18 The sniper was on the 'splody boat. That's one way to counter them.


I love sailing ships with cannons, especially sailing ships with cannons on them, but this doesn't do much for me as a painting qua painting.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 05, 2017 09:33 AM (fuK7c)

19 3 to 1.


That's a good Ho ratio.

Posted by: Bilwis, Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at December 05, 2017 09:33 AM (tMFgx)

20 Nice! Now THAT is art!

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 05, 2017 09:33 AM (fA1SL)

21 15 Battle of Denial?

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 05, 2017 09:32 AM (ul9CR)

Closely followed by the Battle of Anger.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 05, 2017 09:33 AM (NWiLs)

22 A sniper in every crow's-nest.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at December 05, 2017 09:33 AM (AM1GF)

23 A dangerous adventure began on the 19 May 1798 when Napoleon sailed from Toulon to Egypt, capturing Malta on the way. On 1 August, Rear-Admiral Sir Horatio Nelson sighted French flags in the Alexandrian harbour which was full of shipping. These flags did not belong to any ships of the line, but the French battle fleet was subsequently sighted anchored in Aboukir Bay, 15 miles east of Alexandria, by the Banard built British ship 'Zealous', 74 guns. Nelson, in his flagship 'Vanguard', 74 guns, immediately headed there and launched and immediate, late-afternoon attack on the anchored enemy in what subsequently became a devastating night action.

Posted by: rhennigantx at December 05, 2017 09:34 AM (BtQd4)

24 Holy moses! WTF just happened?

Posted by: Ramses II at December 05, 2017 09:34 AM (/qEW2)

25 #16 Think of the seamen!

They got splattered!

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 05, 2017 09:34 AM (ul9CR)

26 Nice! Now THAT is art!
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine

I thought trees had to be involved. Or are you counting the ones used in the ship making?

Posted by: Bruce at December 05, 2017 09:34 AM (8ikIW)

27 The Battle of Acceptance was a more civil affair.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 05, 2017 09:35 AM (ul9CR)

28 Is that what the Royal Navy jack used to look like back then, or is that somebody else's ship?

Too lazy to look it up, and Moron-pedia is usually quicker and more accurate anyway.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 05, 2017 09:35 AM (hcyUh)

29 "Losing Nelson," by Barry Unsworth. Interesting novel for those interested in the admiral.

Posted by: Zod at December 05, 2017 09:35 AM (Bdeb0)

30 24 Holy moses! WTF just happened?
Posted by: Ramses II at December 05, 2017 09:34 AM (/qEW2)

Just let it go.

Posted by: Bilwis, Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at December 05, 2017 09:35 AM (tMFgx)

31 @26 Honorary trees.
Walls of Oak.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 05, 2017 09:36 AM (H5rtT)

32 That's not the Nile.

Posted by: The Hudson at December 05, 2017 09:36 AM (ifjll)

33 Finally some war art.

Posted by: josephistan at December 05, 2017 09:36 AM (7HtZB)

34 The explosion of L'Orient was one of those rare events that truly did decide a battle, which in turn decided the fate of Egypt at the time. It was the flagship of the French fleet; when it's magazine detonated, it was reported that people in Alexandria, 50 miles away, heard the explosion. It was such an awe-inspiring explosion that the entire battle came to a dead stop for a few minutes.

As a result of this victory by Nelson, Napoleon lost any hope of sea borne contact with France, and he eventually abandoned the army he had taken to Egypt and was forced to sneak back to France by himself.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 05, 2017 09:37 AM (V2Yro)

35 HA ha!

Posted by: Nelson at December 05, 2017 09:37 AM (dnWSK)

36 but this doesn't do much for me as a painting qua painting.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 05, 2017 09:33 AM (fuK7c)

It's better at full screen size, but I imagine that its grandeur in real life is what makes it impressive.

But I chose it because The Battle of The Nile was a great naval battle that showcased Nelson's brilliance.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 05, 2017 09:37 AM (wYseH)

37 Always with the Nile, shit! A man can get a complex!

Posted by: Napoleon at December 05, 2017 09:37 AM (wf3RQ)

38 32 That's not the Nile.
Posted by: The Hudson at December 05, 2017 09:36 AM (ifjll)

You're in it.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 05, 2017 09:37 AM (NWiLs)

39
Nelson Schmelson

Posted by: Harry Nillson at December 05, 2017 09:37 AM (9q7Dl)

40 Mikey beat me to Casabianca. And, BTW, it couldn't be a full-Nelson, as he'd already lost his right arm. And it was only in the aftermath that he started spending time with Emma. I think that's when he perfected the half-Nelson.

Posted by: George LeS at December 05, 2017 09:38 AM (+TcCF)

41 Reminds me of Assassin's Creed: Black Flag.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 05, 2017 09:38 AM (NWiLs)

42 Supposedly, when L'Orient blew up, Napoleon heard it in Cairo.

Posted by: George LeS at December 05, 2017 09:38 AM (+TcCF)

43 It was a confusing affair. Someday I'll write a column about it.

Posted by: Horatio Nelson at December 05, 2017 09:38 AM (/qEW2)

44 The battle was called "the Battle of the Nile" but actually took place in Aboukir Bay, located at the mouth of the Nile.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 05, 2017 09:39 AM (V2Yro)

45 Denial! I get it!!!


Ha!!

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at December 05, 2017 09:39 AM (tVWQB)

46 and was forced to sneak back to France by himself.
Posted by: Tom Servo

Guy on the street: Hey, Napoleon! Where the heck are the rest of the guys?

Napoleon: They stopped at a Waffle House for breakfast, I went on ahead, but I did leave my credit card behind to pick up the tab. They will be here shortly.

Posted by: Bruce at December 05, 2017 09:40 AM (8ikIW)

47 And every day we fight the Battle of Projection with the left.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 05, 2017 09:40 AM (NWiLs)

48 But I chose it because The Battle of The Nile was a great naval battle that showcased Nelson's brilliance.


And I shall attentively follow the thread because I know nothing about that and I can trust the Horde to fill me in with all of the arcana.

The only thing I know about Nelson is that he crossed the T at Trafalgar. And that Trafalgar makes (or made, I don't wear them any more) great braces.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 05, 2017 09:40 AM (fuK7c)

49

Kiss me Hardy!

Posted by: Nelson's Other Brother at December 05, 2017 09:41 AM (WbvWk)

50 The battle was called "the Battle of the Nile" but actually took place in Aboukir Bay, located at the mouth of the Nile.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 05, 2017 09:39 AM (V2Yro)



Wa-a-a-ait a minute!

Exploding seamen in the mouth of the Nile?


Was...was this some kinda of ghey thing?

Posted by: naturalfake at December 05, 2017 09:41 AM (9q7Dl)

51 *sigh* I've always had a crush on Nelson. It's like the steadfast tin soldier.

Posted by: Michelle Fields at December 05, 2017 09:41 AM (/qEW2)

52 The only thing I know about Nelson is that he crossed the T at Trafalgar. And that Trafalgar makes (or made, I don't wear them any more) great braces.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 05, 2017 09:40 AM (fuK7c)

I didn't know England even had orthodontists.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 05, 2017 09:41 AM (NWiLs)

53 I've been disarmed!

Posted by: Nelson at December 05, 2017 09:41 AM (7Cr6v)

54 If you expand the picture you can really see the stickman floating in the air over the burning ship.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 05, 2017 09:42 AM (V2Yro)

55 I've been disarmed!
Posted by: Nelson

Bring out my brown pants!!

Posted by: Bruce at December 05, 2017 09:42 AM (8ikIW)

56 50. Limeys on one side, Frogs on the other, and all sailors.
Yeah, gayer than Fulton Street.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 05, 2017 09:42 AM (fA1SL)

57 Why a dried up apricot with a crow on it in the thread below? Fruit day??

Posted by: Under Fire at December 05, 2017 09:42 AM (r9UYA)

58 The only thing I know about Nelson is that he crossed the T at Trafalgar


Nelson went to a garden party.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 05, 2017 09:42 AM (vVRlw)

59 Nelson believed that ships were to be used, not just preserved. His willingness to fight was his main advantage.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 05, 2017 09:43 AM (QQ+il)

60 that, and his opponents were the French.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 05, 2017 09:43 AM (QQ+il)

61
We were bound to get another nautically themed painting schooner or later...

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 05, 2017 09:32 AM (hcyUh)







I'll be sure to make a printout of the painting and tack it to my bulletin board.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 05, 2017 09:44 AM (veoSD)

62
as he'd already lost his right arm. And it was only in the aftermath that he started spending time with Emma. I think that's when he perfected the half-Nelson.

Posted by: George LeS
__________

That was disturbing. I need a safe space now....

~sniff-sniff~

Posted by: Michelle Fields at December 05, 2017 09:44 AM (qwWmT)

63 Captain of the L'Orients last words: vite apportez-moi mon pantalon marron!

Posted by: rhennigantx at December 05, 2017 09:44 AM (BtQd4)

64
Napoleon: They stopped at a Waffle House for breakfast,
-----------

Probably had to make it themselves.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 05, 2017 09:44 AM (7Cr6v)

65

I've seen Nelson's Column, and lemme tell you, it's YUGE!

Posted by: Hardy at December 05, 2017 09:44 AM (WbvWk)

66 Nelson was remembered fondly by those he didn't get killed.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 05, 2017 09:45 AM (QQ+il)

67 Wooden ships, iron men.

Posted by: auscolpyr at December 05, 2017 09:45 AM (suO/a)

68 Plenty of scurvy on those ships.

Posted by: Under Fire at December 05, 2017 09:45 AM (r9UYA)

69 Probably had to make it themselves.
Posted by: Mike Hammer

They all wanted French toast.

Or as they called it, Toast

Posted by: Bruce at December 05, 2017 09:45 AM (8ikIW)

70 he eventually abandoned the army he had taken to Egypt and was forced to sneak back to France by himself.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 05, 2017 09:37 AM (V2Yro)

Napoleon's abandonment of his army in the Middle East later became ammo for his enemies. He had the following painting made to counter those charges. In it he is depicted as almost god-like, walking among his plague-stricken soldiers, reaching out to touch their boils as if he had a healing touch. Look at how the other French officers recoil at the scene, but not the General. He cares, dammit!

https://tinyurl.com/y6w8q9xm

Posted by: Kris at December 05, 2017 09:45 AM (nwqNw)

71 that, and his opponents were the French.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 05, 2017 09:43 AM (QQ+il)

-----------------------------------------
But as Nelson learned, the French are eye specialists - as Moshe Dayan was to learn later.

Posted by: RioBravo at December 05, 2017 09:45 AM (5NMZN)

72 Captain of the L'Orients last words: vite apportez-moi mon pantalon marron!
Posted by: rhennigantx



Strangely similar to the mayor of Nagasaki: "WTF was that??"

Posted by: rickb223 at December 05, 2017 09:46 AM (vVRlw)

73 Willowed

You ma not agree with his - FDR's methods, but Churchill had his own agenda too.
Posted by: runner at December 05, 2017 09:24 AM (E9vLe)


No argument there and I didn't mean to imply otherwise. In fact Vic addressed that Winnie was a fucking goof regarding the need for D Day. However I think FDR squandered the need to unite against the Georgian cocksucker on the postwar settling of accounts.

I've got some other things to do (shockingly I have a real life) so I have to terminate this for now. I appreciate this discussion because you're carrying it on at a good level (i.e. not calling me an asshole over a subjective disagreement) and we can either carry it on thread hopping or maybe revisit it on the Sunday book thread where other people are familiar with Winick's book. Cheers.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 05, 2017 09:46 AM (y7DUB)

74

If you won't tell anyone I have a wooden dick I won't tell anyone you have splinters in your mouth...

Posted by: Hardy at December 05, 2017 09:46 AM (WbvWk)

75 The only thing I know about Nelson is that he crossed the T at Trafalgar. And that Trafalgar makes (or made, I don't wear them any more) great braces.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 05, 2017 09:40 AM (fuK7c)


No, he didn't. He was in two columns and went up against the Franco-Spanish line and broke it into three pieces. He did not want a controlled fleet action, he wanted a general melee where he was certain that his well-drilled crews would beat the stuffing out of the poorer trained French and Spanish.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Feel the Rocket's Red Glare with a Lil' Hoister Petard from the Outrage Outlet! at December 05, 2017 09:47 AM (hLRSq)

76 Nelson's message to Napoleon after the Battle of the Nile:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX7wtNOkuHo

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 05, 2017 09:47 AM (V2Yro)

77 Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 05, 2017 09:40 AM (fuK7c)

The French moored their ships along the edge of the harbor, expecting that Nelson couldn't sail between their ships and land. They moved the guns from the land side of the ships to the port side, increasing their firepower.

But Nelson realized that there was room, and sailed between the French and the shore, and kicked the shit out of them.

Yeah...he was just better than anyone else.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 05, 2017 09:47 AM (wYseH)

78
So, those are French ships at anchor?
Doesn't look like much of a battle. More like a turkey shoot.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse, Real Lee at December 05, 2017 09:48 AM (KdDCu)

79 The Guardian ran a piece recently about how Nelson's statue should be taken down from Trafalgar Square because he wasn't sufficiently woke or something.

Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at December 05, 2017 09:49 AM (mynhJ)

80 Doesn't look like much of a battle. More like a turkey shoot.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse, Real Lee

I hate those.

...Mary Anas...

Posted by: Bruce at December 05, 2017 09:49 AM (8ikIW)

81 25 #16 Think of the seamen!

They got splattered!
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat?

no comment

Posted by: Peter North at December 05, 2017 09:49 AM (FZYNt)

82 Napoleon's abandonment of his army in the Middle East later became ammo for his enemies. He had the following painting made to counter those charges.


Oh wow. That one's a great painting qua painting, but a horrible story.

Thanks as always for the adult ed program, Kris.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 05, 2017 09:49 AM (fuK7c)

83 This painting lacks the dynamic feel of newer maritime paintings like those used on the Patrick O'Brian covers. Of course, the scene is not on the high seas with wind driven waves and full sails. But I love the colors used in the water and the detail on the ships. The explosion of the powder on the destroyed ship really gives a feel for the violence of naval warfare as the debris gets lost in the roiling smoke rising above the shattered shell of the hull. This must be even more impressive in a large painting on display. The Wiki page has another of his maritime works in (I think) pen and ink which is excellent.

Thanks CBD. I always enjoy these 'age of sail' paintings.

Posted by: JTB at December 05, 2017 09:49 AM (V+03K)

84 Speaking of Nelson, this is col - the semaphores that were used in Trafalgar to send "England expects that every man will do his duty"

http://www.napoleonguide.com/sailors_ukexpects.htm

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at December 05, 2017 09:49 AM (hMwEB)

85 Ahh, historical nautical carnage and mayhem. Great detail.

I approve. Nice pic, CBD.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 05, 2017 09:49 AM (tRaq7)

86 Me likey.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 05, 2017 09:49 AM (tbOMB)

87 Gay wedding cake case taken up today. Wonder how long till we get a decision?

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 05, 2017 09:50 AM (ul9CR)

88 Back when England had a Navy.

Posted by: Archer at December 05, 2017 09:50 AM (gbWkA)

89

Whoops! Dropped the Holystone!

Posted by: Hardy at December 05, 2017 09:50 AM (WbvWk)

90 looks like there are little men in those boats

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary at December 05, 2017 09:50 AM (FZYNt)

91 Never mind maneuvers, go right at them!

Posted by: JackStraw at December 05, 2017 09:50 AM (/tuJf)

92 I think Prohibition ended about 85 years ago today. Reminds to check and see if I have any Tito's.

Posted by: rhennigantx at December 05, 2017 09:51 AM (BtQd4)

93 from wiki, how "confides" was changed to "expects":

His Lordship came to me on the poop, and after ordering certain signals to be made, about a quarter to noon, he said, 'Mr. Pasco, I wish to say to the fleet, ENGLAND CONFIDES THAT EVERY MAN WILL DO HIS DUTY' and he added 'You must be quick, for I have one more to make which is for close action.' I replied, 'If your Lordship will permit me to substitute the confides for expects the signal will soon be completed, because the word expects is in the vocabulary, and confides must be spelt,' His Lordship replied, in haste, and with seeming satisfaction, 'That will do, Pasco, make it directly.'

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at December 05, 2017 09:51 AM (hMwEB)

94 87 Gay wedding cake case taken up today. Wonder how long till we get a decision?
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat?

what makes a wedding cake gay?

taking it up the ass or sucking cock?

Posted by: Rick in SK at December 05, 2017 09:51 AM (FZYNt)

95
I appreciate this discussion because you're carrying it on at a good level (i.e. not calling me an asshole over a subjective disagreement)

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 05, 2017 09:46 AM (y7DUB)







So can the rest of us miscreants call you an asshole? Not for any substantial reason, it's just because we don't want to be left out of the fun.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 05, 2017 09:51 AM (veoSD)

96 So that's what "being blown to kingdom come" looks like.

Posted by: rickl at December 05, 2017 09:52 AM (xjiRE)

97 Back when England had a Navy.

Posted by: Archer at December 05, 2017 09:50 AM (gbWkA)

----------------------------
They still have a navy, You just have to squint to see it.

Posted by: RioBravo at December 05, 2017 09:52 AM (5NMZN)

98 Wooden ships, iron men.

Posted by: auscolpyr at December 05, 2017 09:45 AM (suO/a)


========

Easy you the way it was way back then.

Posted by: Crosby, Stills and Nash at December 05, 2017 09:52 AM (/qEW2)

99 what makes a wedding cake gay?

Little statues of the groom and groom on top, and BIG GAY WEDDING CAKE written in icing.

Oh wait, that's not icing...

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 05, 2017 09:52 AM (ul9CR)

100 96 So that's what "being blown to kingdom come" looks like.
Posted by: rickl

I don't believe we have met...

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at December 05, 2017 09:52 AM (FZYNt)

101 When I was just a little boy, my mother often told me, that if I didn*t kiss the girls, my lips would get all moldy.
Way haul away, we*ll haul away Joe!

Posted by: Archer at December 05, 2017 09:53 AM (gbWkA)

102

Admiral Hornblower - a limerick

Lord Nelson while sailing one morn
Told the first mate, "As sure as you're born.
My name is Horatio
I like auto-fellatio
There's nothing like blowin' your own horn."

Posted by: Muldoon at December 05, 2017 09:53 AM (wPiJc)

103 I think Prohibition ended about 85 years ago today. "

A little after 5 this evening. Yay!

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 05, 2017 09:53 AM (MINbv)

104 Back then the US Navy was a fraction of the size of the Royal Navy, but one could argue that on a ship-to-ship basis, our boys were just as good. The inverse case could be made today.

Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at December 05, 2017 09:54 AM (mynhJ)

105
Back when England had a Navy.

Posted by: Archer at December 05, 2017 09:50 AM (gbWkA)

----------------------------
They still have a navy, You just have to squint to see it.

Posted by: RioBravo at December 05, 2017 09:52 AM (5NMZN)






As long as you're in the shipyard, that is.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 05, 2017 09:54 AM (veoSD)

106 I think Prohibition ended about 85 years ago today. "

A little after 5 this evening. Yay!

--------

Give the progressives credit, back then they used the Constitutional process to impose their views on the country.

Posted by: SH at December 05, 2017 09:55 AM (sX1BW)

107 I think Prohibition ended about 85 years ago today. Reminds to check and see if I have any Tito's.
Posted by: rhennigantx



84 years ago. Sa-lute!!

Posted by: rickb223 at December 05, 2017 09:55 AM (vVRlw)

108 When I was just a little boy, "

And the Devil would call my name?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 05, 2017 09:55 AM (MINbv)

109 Wooden ships, iron men.

Posted by: auscolpyr at December 05, 2017 09:45 AM (suO/a)

========

Easy you the way it was way back then.
Posted by: Crosby, Stills and Nash



Ahem.

Posted by: Jefferson Airplane at December 05, 2017 09:55 AM (fuK7c)

110 FDR's best decision throughout WW2 was that he let George Marshall control overall strategy and didn't interfere with him, and he let Nimitz be in charge of the Pacific War and didn't interfere with him, either.

this greatly distinguishes him from military disasters like LBJ and Jimmy Carter, who felt compelled to interfere with every military decision that was made.

Churchill gets a lot of credit for being daring and for getting the big picture right sooner than anybody, but Churchill insisted on directing British military strategy, and he made some colossal blunders along the way.

For starters, ordering the Repulse and the Prince of Wales to Singapore with no air cover. Fine ships and crews lost to bad orders.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 05, 2017 09:55 AM (V2Yro)

111 Were the seamen out walking erect and then were ejaculated into the sea or did they fall limply and impotently into the sea?

What vas deferens, at this point, does it make?

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 05, 2017 09:56 AM (ul9CR)

112 104 Back then the US Navy was a fraction of the size of the Royal Navy, but one could argue that on a ship-to-ship basis, our boys were just as good. The inverse case could be made today.
Posted by: Biggs Darklighter

They want you, they want you
They want you as a new recruit

Posted by: The Village People at December 05, 2017 09:56 AM (FZYNt)

113 Ahoy there, swabbie!

Posted by: Shep at December 05, 2017 09:58 AM (yP91S)

114 Turners' painting The Battle of Trafalgar shows the sempahore flags spelling out the last 3 letters in "DUTY"

https://preview.tinyurl.com/yazhsctl

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at December 05, 2017 09:58 AM (hMwEB)

115 Whoever Blake Farenthold is (some Rep afaik), I do know Lauren Greene had a Fox news gig for a while after the alleged incidents -- unless it is another one with the same name. Pix of Blake F are pretty funny. No doubt he had to pay, even with 'Congressional Privilege'.

Posted by: mustbequantum at December 05, 2017 09:59 AM (MIKMs)

116 I think Prohibition ended about 85 years ago today. "

A little after 5 this evening. Yay!
Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 05, 2017 09:53 AM (MINbv)

I don't care. It's 5 o'clock somewhere...

Posted by: Alan Jackson at December 05, 2017 09:59 AM (wf3RQ)

117 what makes a wedding cake gay?

taking it up the ass or sucking cock?

Posted by: Rick in SK at December 05, 2017 09:51 AM (FZYNt)


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It's not so much the cake is gay. It's a case of trying to coerce people to cater or participate in a ceremony that they feel is immoral.

Remember the case of the New Mexico Christian photographer that a lesbian couple sued because she wouldn't do their "wedding" photographs?

Of course this is just spiteful vile bullying by activists, that has mainly been aided and abetted by scummy judges. That's why the ruling is so important.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 05, 2017 10:00 AM (/qEW2)

118 >>>>that, and his opponents were the French.
.
.
.Plus the French had no idea that Nelson was close by and had adopted a *holiday* attitude concerning their deployment. Most of the ships had only half crews aboard the other half were ashore on various projects or enjoying shore leave.

The French Fleet for the most part was anchored and tethered into a rough line along the mouth of the bay with only the seaward facing guns having crew assigned.


Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 05, 2017 10:01 AM (+Dllb)

119 one of the end of the millennium surveys of experts for the greatest, best, most important, etc., listed the battle of the nile as the greatest naval battle. it stranded napoleon's army and put off the napoleonic victories by maybe a year. i still think midway was the most important.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at December 05, 2017 10:01 AM (AxFdW)

120 Ahem.

Posted by: Jefferson Airplane at December 05, 2017 09:55 AM (fuK7c)


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Actually, I consider the Airplane's version on Volunteers to be infinitely superior. And Kantner did in fact co-write it. It just seems most people seem to associate it with CS&N.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 05, 2017 10:02 AM (/qEW2)

121 The only thing I know about Nelson is that he crossed the T at Trafalgar

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forever after known as Craig T Nelson

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at December 05, 2017 10:03 AM (vChNs)

122 Back when England had a Navy


That was then this is now

pop star "Pink" raising daughter to be gender neutral

Meanwhile, another Rotherham rape gang in court for raping young girls.

I guess the idea is to pretend to be a young boy and hope the jihadis don't rape you, or something.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse, Real Lee at December 05, 2017 10:04 AM (KdDCu)

123 >>>>It's not so much the cake is gay. It's a case of trying to coerce people
to cater or participate in a ceremony that they feel is immoral.

.
.
.It's completely about power. They want the Government to have their backs when they come and force you to celebrate their lifestyle against your beliefs. And by golly they will see you ruined if you don't submit.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 05, 2017 10:04 AM (+Dllb)

124 @28 Interesting question. It looks all wrong, doesn't it?
If you saw that today, it would be the Indian Navy.
Naval flag usage was "overhauled" several times, one big one in 1801.
But this is not 1801.

With all those seamen being ejaculated, someone should have taken the jack off.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 05, 2017 10:04 AM (H5rtT)

125 Why are all of all the ships' sails furled in this daguerreotype?

How is there any maneuver going on?

This was a full ten years before the Evinrude 70 was developed.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 05, 2017 10:04 AM (fuK7c)

126 96 So that's what "being blown to kingdom come" looks like.
Posted by: rickl at December 05, 2017 09:52 AM (xjiRE)

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you should see being blown to Queendom cum

Just $1199 with a coupon

Posted by: Mistress Midnight Flame at December 05, 2017 10:05 AM (vChNs)

127 "66 Nelson was remembered fondly by those he didn't get killed."

Knowing how to win a battle tends to do that, since fewer of your sailors die.

Posted by: pst314 at December 05, 2017 10:05 AM (T4dRn)

128 Ahem.

Posted by: Jefferson Airplane at December 05, 2017 09:55 AM (fuK7c)

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Actually, I consider the Airplane's version on Volunteers to be infinitely superior. And Kantner did in fact co-write it. It just seems most people seem to associate it with CS&N.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 05, 2017 10:02 AM (/qEW2)

The long version of "Embryonic Journey" by Jorma Kaukonen is one of the finest guitar solos I have ever heard.....

Posted by: kraken at December 05, 2017 10:05 AM (zSVEm)

129 Actually, I consider the Airplane's version on Volunteers to be infinitely superior. And Kantner did in fact co-write it. It just seems most people seem to associate it with CS&N.

Yeah, I know it was a co-project, I just had to stick up for the Airplane. I also prefer the Volunteers version.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 05, 2017 10:06 AM (fuK7c)

130 Mueller is now trying to get financial info on Trump and his family from Deutsche Bank. Must keep spending tax dollars on the witch hunt to keep the mentally ill liberals convinced that impeachment is going to happen TODAY!!!

Posted by: shibumi at December 05, 2017 10:06 AM (aT+Bx)

131 I recall some time ago that someone here said no way no how would anyone be forced to recognize or participate in gay marriages...that it was all hype and conspiracy talk.

I'm very sad that something as simple as this is requiring SCOTUS time.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at December 05, 2017 10:06 AM (tVWQB)

132 The long version of "Embryonic Journey" by Jorma Kaukonen is one of the finest guitar solos I have ever heard.....

That's a favorite of mine too!

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 05, 2017 10:06 AM (ul9CR)

133 I wonder if anyone has done a comparison of Admiral Nelson and General Grant and their approaches to battle. Seems to me they both are fighters, not just tacticians. But I'm learning more about Grant with the new Chernow biography and know little about Nelson.

Posted by: JTB at December 05, 2017 10:07 AM (V+03K)

134 This was a full ten years before the Evinrude 70 was developed.

You mean 'borrowed by Ollie Evinrude because his boss Harry Miller failed to patent it'?

Posted by: JEM still banned on office IP at December 05, 2017 10:07 AM (KTJxj)

135 That particular turner painting is not, I think, one of his best - it is very static and appears to have been produced for some official government exhibition and/or display, probably with orders to showcase Nelson's flagship.

A much, much better painting of that battle by Turner is this one, and it reflects the style you expect from his great works:

https://tinyurl.com/ovy56gm

(and the original is roughly 6' wide by 4' tall - an awesome piece of art)

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 05, 2017 10:07 AM (V2Yro)

136 "Why are all of all the ships' sails furled in this daguerreotype?"

It could be that the artist took liberties with facts for art's sake, or out of ignorance, but I seem to recall that in that battle a number of Nelson's ships anchored near the French ships they were attacking.

Posted by: pst314 at December 05, 2017 10:07 AM (T4dRn)

137 Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he'll try to replace you with someone who'll give him fish every day.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 05, 2017 10:08 AM (QQ+il)

138 I guess the idea is to pretend to be a young boy and hope the jihadis don't rape you, or something.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse



Not with muzzies around. They'll use a young boys' anus like it's a parking lot.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 05, 2017 10:08 AM (vVRlw)

139 For starters, ordering the Repulse and the Prince of
Wales to Singapore with no air cover. Fine ships and crews lost to
bad orders.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 05, 2017 09:55 AM (V2Yro)

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They were dispatched prior to the start of the war to serve as a deterrent - the same reason the US fleet was earlier concentrated at Pearl Harbor. Additionally, when entering action there were air units assigned to provide air cover for the ships which was available (as limited as it was) to cover the vessels during their withdrawal. Force Z did not request air cover at the appropriate time.

Posted by: RioBravo at December 05, 2017 10:08 AM (5NMZN)

140 Can you imagine one of our modern destroyers trying to navigate through all those ships?

We would run into each one twice.

Posted by: Jwest at December 05, 2017 10:09 AM (/roJx)

141 Of course this is just spiteful vile bullying by activists, that has
mainly been aided and abetted by scummy judges. That's why the ruling is
so important.
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Unfortunately, activists demand that elderly nuns be lined up in uniform to be excoriated. The whole concept is disgusting.

I just attended a 'gay' wedding, and they were very careful not to offend Christian (or other religious people) sensibilities. Just a big party to celebrate their declaration of partnership. Did not offend my sense of right and wrong -- they handled it very well and with a lot of sensitivity. Good thing they are both from loving Christian families. Of course, I have attended some pretty wild business merger parties, so this was very restrained.

Posted by: mustbequantum at December 05, 2017 10:09 AM (MIKMs)

142 Knowing how to win a battle tends to do that, since fewer of your sailors die.

Also, the ones who did die tend not to have much to say about you.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 05, 2017 10:09 AM (QQ+il)

143 >>123 >>>>It's not so much the cake is gay.

"This court finds in favor of the defendants. This cake is not nearly fabulous enough for you two flaming homos, as you both ought to know, being all gay and whatnot. Don't look at me like that. Dismissed."

Posted by: Zod at December 05, 2017 10:10 AM (Bdeb0)

144 127 "66 Nelson was remembered fondly by those he didn't get killed."

Knowing how to win a battle tends to do that, since fewer of your sailors die.
Posted by: pst314 at December 05, 2017 10:05 AM (T4dRn)

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Who was that French admiral again?

Posted by: Mistress Midnight Flame at December 05, 2017 10:10 AM (vChNs)

145 CBD -
Gotta say -I love this painting today. Love seeing the old ships and sails.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 05, 2017 10:10 AM (jxbfJ)

146 This is kind of interesting. The FBI has their own twitter account for releasing documents called FBI Vault.

On November 15th they released a link to documents responsive to Andrew McCabe and potential conflict of interest regarding his wife's campaign in VA and his oversight of the Hillary email investigation.

Today, they released the link again. Why?

Posted by: JackStraw at December 05, 2017 10:10 AM (/tuJf)

147
Churchill gets a lot of credit for being daring and for getting the big picture right sooner than anybody, but Churchill insisted on directing British military strategy, and he made some colossal blunders along the way.

For starters, ordering the Repulse and the Prince of Wales to Singapore with no air cover. Fine ships and crews lost to bad orders.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 05, 2017 09:55 AM (V2Yro)






I figure that his biggest blunder is his long-standing obsession with the Mediterranean and the "soft white underbelly" of southern Europe. A lot of British Commonwealth combat power in WWII was wasted on trying to control the Med. Not to mention the various actions in Africa and Italy.

Other than keeping control of the Suez Canal, I don't see how it was worth the effort.

He made the same mistake in World War I with the Gallipoli Campaign. So it was a deeply held obsession, and a distraction to his main mission in both wars of defeating Germany.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 05, 2017 10:11 AM (veoSD)

148 101 ... Archer,

"Way haul away, we*ll haul away Joe!"

Wow! I thought I was the only one who remembered that old chanty. Used to perform it with a folk group back in high school. Good memories.

Posted by: JTB at December 05, 2017 10:11 AM (V+03K)

149 A famous Cptn. had his rt arm walked off by a French Marine while taking a prize there. His Royal Marine Cptn fed the Frenchy to the sharks.

Later as an Admiral this man was shot and killed by another French Marine. At Trafalgar.

The Adm was so loved by his men that they tithed to build him a memorial at Trafalgar Square. The Adm was not loved by his "betters" and the govt. Did nothing in his honor for 4 years. Finally in fear of the "populist" uprising Parliament allocated money to build the Square in his honor.

I want to vomit every time I see a Rum bottle with this great man's name on it showing 2 arms. Cptn Nelson had 2 arms. Adm Nelson no longer had a sword arm!
He was a very smart, brave man. who won the most significant Sea battle in the world before Midway. Out shipped almost 5:3 and out gunned better than 2:1. But Bravery, ingenuity
and stubbornness won!

as a former FMF man I love this Brit Even if he fathered a kid with another man's wife.

Posted by: an ol exJarhead at December 05, 2017 10:11 AM (r5ls2)

150 Mueller is now trying to get financial info on Trump and his family from Deutsche Bank. Must keep spending tax dollars on the witch hunt to keep the mentally ill liberals convinced that impeachment is going to happen TODAY!!!


Posted by: shibumi at December 05, 2017 10:06 AM (aT+Bx)


It's a race between (1) his investigation finding something and (B) the complete corruption of his investigation coming to the surface.

(Whatever happens, this is interesting watching so much arrogance married to zealous incompetence.)

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Feel the Rocket's Red Glare with a Lil' Hoister Petard from the Outrage Outlet! at December 05, 2017 10:11 AM (hLRSq)

151 In today's episode of "Who's a Raping Perv," we feature Danny Masterson.

/at WZ

Posted by: shibumi at December 05, 2017 10:11 AM (aT+Bx)

152 i still think midway was the most important.

I'm partial to the Action off Samar, just for the brass balls of it.
"Damn it boys, they're getting away."

A little-mentioned action of some import was the weeks-long cruiser duel in the North Pacific that happened at the same time as Midway. The Japanese dispatched a considerable fleet to reinforce and expand their Aleutian invasion. In the longest naval engagement ever, a limited US fleet delayed them enough to render the decision moot.

I met an old guy who was there, as a gunner. Don't know if related, but he was the damnedest shotgunner I ever saw. Sawed off handle, taped, and shot doubles from the hip, by feel. Did not miss much. Said it was just like hitting a ball with a bat.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 05, 2017 10:12 AM (H5rtT)

153 Like I've been saying for years, if you expect a Christian baker to bake a gay cake, you also expect a rabid vegan civil engineer to design an abattoir upon demand.

Posted by: JEM still banned on office IP at December 05, 2017 10:12 AM (KTJxj)

154 Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he'll try to replace you with someone who'll give him fish every day.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 05, 2017 10:08 AM (QQ+il)

Oh, Hell! We have got to use that line!

Posted by: Democrat Playbook Strategist at December 05, 2017 10:12 AM (wf3RQ)

155 A much, much better painting of that battle by Turner is this one, and it reflects the style you expect from his great works:

https://tinyurl.com/ovy56gm



Oh yeah. That there is paintin'.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 05, 2017 10:13 AM (fuK7c)

156 No argument there and I didn't mean to imply otherwise. In fact Vic addressed that Winnie was a fucking goof regarding the need for D Day. However I think FDR squandered the need to unite against the Georgian cocksucker on the postwar settling of accounts. ....


Posted by: Captain Hate at December 05, 2017 09:46 AM (y7DUB)

right. Here is where I think we differ - I look at FDR's (and the other two's) tenure segmentally - before WWII, during WWII and after WWII. You look at it linearly. During WWII Stalin and USA's interests converged, GB was a bit on the outside, "The Empire" and her interests above all. After WWII , USA's and GB interests converges and USSR's diverged.

Posted by: runner at December 05, 2017 10:14 AM (QC/4S)

157 VIVE LA FRA... holy shit.

Posted by: Dang at December 05, 2017 10:15 AM (8b+oT)

158 It's a race between (1) his investigation finding something and (B) the
complete corruption of his investigation coming to the surface.
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I made this point a few days ago to someone: If Trump is a smart person (and the person I was talking to conceded that he was) and if he's been thinking of running for President for a while (we have statements from what, the 80's?) wouldn't it be logical to assume that Trump knew they would go over his life with a microscope? And then make sure he was clean before entering the race?

Posted by: shibumi at December 05, 2017 10:15 AM (aT+Bx)

159 Who was that French admiral again?


Posted by: Mistress Midnight Flame at December 05, 2017 10:10 AM (vChNs)

Admiral Brueys. He died aboard L'Orient when it exploded. Interestingly enough, some French ships did escape, one of which had onboard Villeneuve who was the French Admiral at Trafalgar.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Feel the Rocket's Red Glare with a Lil' Hoister Petard from the Outrage Outlet! at December 05, 2017 10:15 AM (hLRSq)

160 Today, they released the link again. Why?

Pixy runs their twitters? Double post FTW!

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 05, 2017 10:15 AM (tRaq7)

161 Yes yes, Galipolli was all Churchill's fault.

Posted by: khartoum kitchener at December 05, 2017 10:16 AM (SkuXa)

162 I figure that his biggest blunder is his long-standing obsession with the Mediterranean and the "soft white underbelly" of southern Europe. A lot of British Commonwealth combat power in WWII was wasted on trying to control the Med. Not to mention the various actions in Africa and Italy.

Other than keeping control of the Suez Canal, I don't see how it was worth the effort.

He made the same mistake in World War I with the Gallipoli Campaign. So it was a deeply held obsession, and a distraction to his main mission in both wars of defeating Germany.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 05, 2017 10:11 AM (veoSD)

The obsession was dictated by the needs of the Empire - to control COLONIAL interests in the ME. GB had them, Germany had them , France had them. USA - not a colonial power.

Posted by: runner at December 05, 2017 10:16 AM (QC/4S)

163 Back when England had a Navy.

Posted by: Archer at December 05, 2017 09:50 AM (gbWkA)




Back when there were English in England

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 05, 2017 10:16 AM (493sH)

164 I like the stick figure guy getting blown into the air just above the explosion even though he is a bit out of proportion.

Posted by: Dang at December 05, 2017 10:17 AM (8b+oT)

165 like it's a parking lot."

Did they pave paradise?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 05, 2017 10:17 AM (MINbv)

166 115 ... That's another person. Lauren Green (no 'e' on the end of Green) is the religion reporter for Fox News and has been there for years. A very tall and attractive lady.

Posted by: JTB at December 05, 2017 10:18 AM (V+03K)

167 That's another person. Lauren Green"

Was a pretty good jolt seeing him play a spaceship captain.

What, what?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 05, 2017 10:19 AM (MINbv)

168 WI Gov Walker wants to drug test food stamp recipients, NY Times says he wants to drug test the poor.

Posted by: davidt at December 05, 2017 10:19 AM (yP91S)

169 Interestingly enough, some French ships did escape,
one of which had onboard Villeneuve who was the French Admiral at
Trafalgar.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH
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You should have killed me when you had the chance!

Posted by: Villeneuve at December 05, 2017 10:20 AM (8b+oT)

170 28 Is that what the Royal Navy jack used to look like back then, or is that somebody else's ship?

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I think it's meant to be a version of the White Ensign

Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at December 05, 2017 10:20 AM (hMwEB)

171 A little-mentioned action of some import was the weeks-long cruiser duel in the North Pacific that happened at the same time as Midway. The Japanese dispatched a considerable fleet to reinforce and expand their Aleutian invasion. In the longest naval engagement ever, a limited US fleet delayed them enough to render the decision moot.

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battle of the Komondorski islands?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at December 05, 2017 10:20 AM (vChNs)

172 However I think FDR squandered the need to unite against the Georgian cocksucker on the postwar settling of accounts.





You can't squander what you don't want. The commie cripple wanted to hand eastern Europe over to Uncle Joe.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 05, 2017 10:20 AM (493sH)

173 The French Admiral, Villaneuve, was captured during the battle and taken back to England for a time. Napoleon hated him and blamed him personally for the loss (not fair, really - he was following standard doctrines of the day, Nelson was just a whole lot better) He eventually returned to France and attempted to rejoin the military - while he was waiting for a decision he was found in his apartment, stabbed 7 times in the back.

Napoleon was widely mocked in the brit press when his officials ruled that Villaneuve's death was the worst case of suicide they had ever seen.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 05, 2017 10:20 AM (V2Yro)

174 Napoleon was widely mocked in the brit press when his officials ruled that Villaneuve's death was the worst case of suicide they had ever seen.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 05, 2017 10:20 AM (V2Yro)


Dem politicians: It looked good to us

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 05, 2017 10:21 AM (493sH)

175 Conyers is out.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 05, 2017 10:22 AM (/tuJf)

176 Today, they released the link again. Why?



The guy that was supposed to stop that was transferred last month and his replacement is clueless?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 05, 2017 10:22 AM (vVRlw)

177 -
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I like the stick figure guy getting blown into the air just above the explosion even though he is a bit out of proportion.


Posted by: Dang at December 05, 2017 10:17 AM

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That's somebody's soul, getting blown straight to heaven.


Posted by: irright at December 05, 2017 10:22 AM (pMGkg)

178 England knows Lady Hamilton is a virgin. Poke out my eye and cut off my arm if I'm wrong.

Posted by: Zombie Adm. Lord Nelson at December 05, 2017 10:22 AM (p+Wdc)

179 I think it's meant to be a version of the White Ensign

Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at December 05, 2017 10:20 AM (hMwEB)



Racism!!!!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 05, 2017 10:22 AM (493sH)

180 I recently read some some suck-up glowing profile on Mueller in Bloomberg. He is almost as awesome as Hilllary, and similarly loved and respected by everybody in DC. Really, he should be president after he gets rid of the usurper Trump.

Posted by: Ripley at December 05, 2017 10:22 AM (MxEKc)

181 Mueller subpoenas bank accounts of Trump and his family.

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/937974318386044928

You could have had a nice peaceful retirement with your reputation never brought into question, but no, like every leftist DC swamp dweller to addictive pull of power grabbed you once again. Now you are rapidly bringing ruination, tattering, your carefully crafted reputation for honesty - probity and feeding the FBI and DOJ into the shredder with you.

Fine job boyo.

Posted by: geoffb at December 05, 2017 10:22 AM (zOpu5)

182 Posted by: shibumi at December 05, 2017 10:15 AM (aT+Bx)

Donald Trump also strikes me as a careful person who tries to do things correctly the first time. Despite all the calls by partisans for him to fire this person or go all executive order like Obama, Trump doesn't do that. He follows procedures correctly, as they are set down. None of his foes have yet, to my recollection, caught him in some procedural error. I think that must be frustrating the investigators, that for all of the blustering and tweeting, he really isn't doing anything illegal. And obstruction of justice for firing Comey? Well Trump did fire Flynn for lying to him and the vice-president, why wouldn't he fire Comey also for lying to him and Congress?

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Feel the Rocket's Red Glare with a Lil' Hoister Petard from the Outrage Outlet! at December 05, 2017 10:23 AM (hLRSq)

183 >>>>WI Gov Walker wants to drug test food stamp recipients, NY Times says he wants to drug test the poor.
..
.I say we drug test everyone who is getting some form of Government check or voucher. If they fail they go off Welfare for a specified period of time, say 3-6 months and then they get put on *probation*, if they fail again, they are off for life.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 05, 2017 10:23 AM (+Dllb)

184 Conyers says he's 'retiring today' and endorses his son to replace him.


Posted by: Tami at December 05, 2017 10:23 AM (Enq6K)

185 I think it was felt that Nelson was willing to spend lives, but not to waste them.

Posted by: Parker at December 05, 2017 10:23 AM (ZfzDM)

186 Thanx, JTB. Couldn't square what I have seen of Lauren Green with being shut out of any position. I can see Blake F having to pay big bux, but that would be normal. Hope he reimburses taxpayers.

Posted by: mustbequantum at December 05, 2017 10:23 AM (MIKMs)

187 However I think FDR squandered the need to unite against the Georgian cocksucker on the postwar settling of accounts.





You can't squander what you don't want. The commie cripple wanted to hand eastern Europe over to Uncle Joe.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 05, 2017 10:20 AM (493sH)


What you call "Eastern Europe" was part of Russia and it's Empire for a few centuries prior to Revolution and treaty of Brest Litovsk. in essence it existed only for 20-25 and only because Lenin.

Posted by: runner at December 05, 2017 10:24 AM (QC/4S)

188 Conyers says he's 'retiring today' and endorses his son to replace him.



Posted by: Tami at December 05, 2017 10:23 AM (Enq6K)



Good thing we got rid of that monarchy and kids inheriting their parents titles

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 05, 2017 10:24 AM (493sH)

189 I should give cannon and tribute to the enemy.

Posted by: Adm. B. Hussein O'Nelson at December 05, 2017 10:24 AM (Ndje9)

190 "179 I think it's meant to be a version of the White Ensign"

Wesley Crusher???

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 05, 2017 10:24 AM (V2Yro)

191 USA - not a colonial power.

Cuba and the Philippines might beg to differ.
You could argue that Cuba was a colony of the Confederacy. Before the Unpleasantness ever began, Southern interests were sure it should be ours.

Germany and the US got into the colony business late, and each in its own way tried to hurry things up. Although there was considerable debate in both countries, when Germany is in a hurry, asses get kicked.

And Japan, jeeze. Nicest guys on the block, until the pressure is on.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 05, 2017 10:25 AM (H5rtT)

192 So, what germany was trying to reconstitute - it's territorial losses in WWI, Russia was trying to do on the other side. And then - they ran into each other.

Posted by: runner at December 05, 2017 10:25 AM (QC/4S)

193 WI Gov Walker wants to drug test food stamp recipients, NY Times says he wants to drug test the poor.
..
.I say we drug test everyone who is getting some form of Government check or voucher. If they fail they go off Welfare for a specified period of time, say 3-6 months and then they get put on *probation*, if they fail again, they are off for life.

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I understand the sentiment, but I cannot agree with such a program. All I see is more $ spent by the government and additional ways for a system to be gamed.

Posted by: SH at December 05, 2017 10:25 AM (sX1BW)

194 What you call "Eastern Europe" was part of Russia and it's Empire for a few centuries prior to Revolution and treaty of Brest Litovsk. in essence it existed only for 20-25 and only because Lenin.

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We were a thing back in the day

Posted by: Poland at December 05, 2017 10:26 AM (vChNs)

195
Back when there were English in England
Posted by: TheQuietMan


There's no England now

https://youtu.be/UBasdIOVY7c

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 05, 2017 10:26 AM (IqV8l)

196 I say we drug test everyone who is getting some form of Government check or voucher.



Government employees included!

Posted by: rickb223 at December 05, 2017 10:26 AM (vVRlw)

197 Nelson was just a whole lot better
Posted by: Tom Servo
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And so were his men. The Brits practiced a lot more and so were able to fire many more rounds per minute than their French or Spanish counterparts. Immediately after the battle of Trafalgar the Brits had to prepare their ships and their prizes for an approaching massive storm. One captured French later wrote, "We sat there wondering, what are these men made of?"

Posted by: Dang at December 05, 2017 10:27 AM (8b+oT)

198 https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/937974318386044928

The fvck is THAT??!

Posted by: runner at December 05, 2017 10:27 AM (QC/4S)

199 So, does Mueller ultimately get Jared's scalp (furthermore : should we care about what happens to Jared?), or does PDT finally rise up and fire him?

Posted by: Hikaru at December 05, 2017 10:27 AM (WDCYi)

200 And Japan, jeeze. Nicest guys on the block, until the pressure is on.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 05, 2017 10:25 AM (H5rtT)

Oooh. You American. So kind. We are just humbre japanese peopre with tiny penis. Whatever could we hope to accomplish with such smarr penis? Your american penis is so much rarger.

Posted by: humble japanese businessman with tiny penis at December 05, 2017 10:27 AM (KUaJL)

201 Conyers says he's 'retiring today' and endorses his son to replace him.
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Link?

All I see is that he's not seeking re-election.

Posted by: shibumi at December 05, 2017 10:27 AM (aT+Bx)

202 >>The guy that was supposed to stop that was transferred last month and his replacement is clueless?

Yea, I don't think so. After months of no information it is starting to come out now in waves.

Sounds more like pro-active damage control for McCabe regarding the OIG report and other information making its way out.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 05, 2017 10:27 AM (/tuJf)

203
The obsession was dictated by the needs of the Empire - to control COLONIAL interests in the ME. GB had them, Germany had them , France had them. USA - not a colonial power.

Posted by: runner at December 05, 2017 10:16 AM (QC/4S)





Granted. But colonial interests were peripheral to the survival of Great Britain. In WWII, Britain was under DIRECT threat from Germany. In that situation, diverting a large portion of your professional soldiers and equipment to fight over the colonies while the home country is being plastered by the Luftwaffe and the Nazis are trying to put together Operation Sea Lion seems to be an unnecessary risk.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 05, 2017 10:27 AM (veoSD)

204
It's alright now
I learned my lesson well
You see
You can't sink a ship
Aiming with your prow

Posted by: Nelson at December 05, 2017 10:27 AM (NyJwR)

205 "What you call "Eastern Europe" was part of Russia and it's Empire for a few centuries prior to Revolution and treaty of Brest Litovsk. in essence it existed only for 20-25 and only because Lenin.'"

Russian? Those peasants? I beg to differ.

Posted by: Emperor Franz Joseph at December 05, 2017 10:27 AM (V2Yro)

206 What you call "Eastern Europe" was part of Russia and it's Empire for a few centuries prior to Revolution and treaty of Brest Litovsk. in essence it existed only for 20-25 and only because Lenin.

Posted by: runner at December 05, 2017 10:24 AM (QC/4S)



I was talking about Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, East Prussia/eastern Germany, Czechoslovakia. FDR had no problem with Uncle Joe occupying those countries. His whole administration including his lovely wife were commies

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 05, 2017 10:28 AM (493sH)

207 143. 'This Court further deems Plaintiffs and counsel to be vexatious litigants. The aforementioned parties are remanded to the custody of Trumpcamp Barron, there to decorate interior office spaces and design and produce uniforms for the use of camp personnel. So ordered this 5th day of December, Anno Trumpi I.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 05, 2017 10:28 AM (YlSx4)

208 What you call "Eastern Europe" was part of Russia and it's Empire for a few centuries prior to Revolution and treaty of Brest Litovsk. in essence it existed only for 20-25 and only because Lenin.

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We were a thing back in the day
Posted by: Poland at December 05, 2017 10:26 AM (vChNs)

yes, I remember it well

Posted by: Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth at December 05, 2017 10:28 AM (QC/4S)

209 Never mind maneuvers, just go right at 'em!

Posted by: Jack aubrey quoting Nelson....again at December 05, 2017 10:29 AM (LISuA)

210 I was talking about Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, East Prussia/eastern Germany, Czechoslovakia. FDR had no problem with Uncle Joe occupying those countries. His whole administration including his lovely wife were commies
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 05, 2017 10:28 AM (493sH)

ah. what was the option if Red Army was already there ? go to war ??

Posted by: Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth at December 05, 2017 10:29 AM (QC/4S)

211 Immediately after the battle of Trafalgar the Brits had to prepare their ships and their prizes for an approaching massive storm. One captured French later wrote,"We sat there wondering, what are these men made of?"
Posted by: Dang



Rum, sodomy, & the lash.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 05, 2017 10:29 AM (vVRlw)

212 oops

Posted by: runner at December 05, 2017 10:30 AM (QC/4S)

213 for a few centuries prior to Revolution"

The Union of Lublin might disagree...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 05, 2017 10:30 AM (MINbv)

214 Conyers is trying to pass his seat on to his son. The Left still doesn't get it.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 05, 2017 10:30 AM (UBzPO)

215 Conyers is trying to pass his seat on to his son. The Left still doesn't get it.
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Dynasty wasn't just an 80s prime time soap!

Posted by: bicentennialguy at December 05, 2017 10:31 AM (vg8iE)

216 Link?

All I see is that he's not seeking re-election.

Posted by: shibumi at December 05, 2017 10:27 AM (aT+Bx)

It was on FBN.

Posted by: Tami at December 05, 2017 10:32 AM (Enq6K)

217 " Conyers is trying to pass his seat on to his son. The Left still doesn't get it.'

Who was it that once said 'It's the people's seat'?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 05, 2017 10:32 AM (EyPfd)

218 How great was Nelson?

Nelson was so great that after he persuaded a married woman to move in with him, he also persuaded her husband to move in to manage the estate.

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at December 05, 2017 10:32 AM (LISuA)

219 Granted. But colonial interests were peripheral to the survival of Great Britain. In WWII, Britain was under DIRECT threat from Germany. In that situation, diverting a large portion of your professional soldiers and equipment to fight over the colonies while the ho

me country is being plastered by the Luftwaffe and the Nazis are trying to put together Operation Sea Lion seems to be an unnecessary risk.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 05, 2017 10:27 AM (veoSD)

that is what i'm saying; the pressure eased somewhat after 1941 invasion, but he needed resources in Africa, ROmmel and the rest. That was a combination of colonial interest AND supplie routs - THE OIL. which is really one of the same.

Posted by: runner at December 05, 2017 10:32 AM (QC/4S)

220
Conyers is trying to pass his seat on to his son. The Left still doesn't get it.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans


Julia Carson passed her seat to her grandson Andre.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 05, 2017 10:32 AM (IqV8l)

221 I watched the deer crossing video at the sidebar and reading the comments to find out if we're looking at reindeer and where and that sort of thing.

They were full of snark and such, but lacking in the detailed random knowledge that gets launched in threads like this one.

I think I came up with a word for this phenomenon. (I'm looking at you, #134).

Hordespergers.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 05, 2017 10:32 AM (fuK7c)

222 Who was it that once said 'It's the people's seat'?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 05, 2017 10:32 AM (EyPfd)

Scott Brown

Posted by: Tami at December 05, 2017 10:34 AM (Enq6K)

223
Conyers is trying to pass his seat on to his son. The Left still doesn't get it. Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 05, 2017 10:30 AM (UBzPO)
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Jesse Jackson Jr waves from his parole shelter. Ads I have seen within the past week are a Pritzker scion and a Kennedy scion running ads about how much they 'care' and how they will 'fight' DJT. NOLA has nuthin' on IL.

Posted by: mustbequantum at December 05, 2017 10:34 AM (MIKMs)

224 Wanna bet Conyers son is rapey too?

Posted by: dagny at December 05, 2017 10:34 AM (eO5CB)

225 ah. what was the option if Red Army was already there ? go to war ??
Posted by: Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth at December 05, 2017 10:29 AM (QC/4S)

The reality on the ground, unless one wanted to immediately start round 3, was that the Reds were there to stay and those countries were going to be satellites under the Soviet sphere of influence.

Posted by: WOPR (now with chainsaw bayonets) at December 05, 2017 10:34 AM (WVeiZ)

226 Actually, I consider the Airplane's version on Volunteers to be infinitely superior. And Kantner did in fact co-write it. It just seems most people seem to associate it with CS&N.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 05, 2017 10:02 AM (/qEW2)

The long version of "Embryonic Journey" by Jorma Kaukonen is one of the finest guitar solos I have ever heard.....
Posted by: kraken at December 05, 2017 10:05 AM (zSVEm)

I'd never heard the JA version of "Wooden Ships" until I recently looked it up on Spotify. It is at least as good as the more polished CSN version.
Easy to mock them, but stoned out hippies did make some great music back then...

Posted by: JoeF. at December 05, 2017 10:34 AM (7uYFy)

227 watching so much arrogance married to zealous incompetence.

Story of Obama - again - learned from the Clintons - and DC in general.

Posted by: DaveA at December 05, 2017 10:35 AM (FhXTo)

228 Nelson was so great that after he persuaded a married woman to move in with him, he also persuaded her husband to move in to manage the estate.

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at December 05, 2017 10:32 AM (LISuA)

Piker.

Posted by: Matt Lauer at December 05, 2017 10:35 AM (wf3RQ)

229 Detroit Free Press has the only story I've seen. They are apoplectic in another story that he's being forced to resign.



Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 05, 2017 10:35 AM (UBzPO)

230 224 Wanna bet Conyers son is rapey too?

Posted by: dagny at December 05, 2017 10:34 AM (eO5CB)

With more stamina.

In other news, Colin Kaepernick in on Time's final person of the year list.

Posted by: Tami at December 05, 2017 10:35 AM (Enq6K)

231 Conyers is a fool. Dude needs to pull a Voinovich and auction it off to the highest bidder.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 05, 2017 10:35 AM (YlSx4)

232 for a few centuries prior to Revolution"

The Union of Lublin might disagree...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 05, 2017 10:30 AM (MINbv)

We've been raped so many times,by so many, we lost count....

Posted by: Poland at December 05, 2017 10:36 AM (QC/4S)

233 So Conyers is breaking free of Job-Lock?

Good on him.

Wish more would do the same.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 05, 2017 10:36 AM (EyPfd)

234 'Rons, can you help me figure out what's up with my car? I drove it to the dentists this morning before work and then to work. It seemed to be a little scarily shaky at stop signs, (which is a new thing), but I chalked that up to it being very windy here today.

However, when I drove the car up the ramp in the employee parking structure, it shut down on me when I tried making a turn. The wheel locked and nothing happened when I tried shifting gears. I had to restart the car and then it happened again as I was parking it. The battery light went out - but I just got the damn battery replaced in July and when I got my oil changed in September, they checked the battery and said it was OK.

I'm really pissed off - I've got this stupid crown to (partially) pay for and now the car and of course it's a crappy month to incur extra expenses. But winter is a crappy time to have your car break down in Wisconsin.

Posted by: Donna and V (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 05, 2017 10:37 AM (ZM2xo)

235 232. Doormat of Europe. EVERYBODY going east or west always stopped to wipe their jackboots.
There's a reason the Poles are so protective of their sovereignty.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 05, 2017 10:38 AM (YlSx4)

236 I could have beaten those damned reds to Berlin. Fucking Monty.

Posted by: Zombie Patton at December 05, 2017 10:38 AM (SkuXa)

237 The Atlantic has a hit piece on Mike Pence that should provide more grist for the MSM--it claims Pence almost tried to attempt a coup of the nomination in the wake of Pussygate and that Trump (or someone in his camp) was willing to drop out for $800 million....
But there's a picture of a young Pence strumming a guitar and damned if he doesn't look like Byrds-era David Crosby...really.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 05, 2017 10:38 AM (7uYFy)

238 in the olden days, things were decided thusly: you lose at war, your territory is gone...or you can marry an ugly from the royal family and retain your lands...sort of

Posted by: runner at December 05, 2017 10:38 AM (QC/4S)

239 battle of the Komondorski islands --Buzzsaw

That looks like it must be it. US Navy sure used to have a lot of dumb luck.
There's something wrong with our bloody dumb luck today.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 05, 2017 10:38 AM (H5rtT)

240 210 I was talking about Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, East Prussia/eastern Germany, Czechoslovakia. FDR had no problem with Uncle Joe occupying those countries. His whole administration including his lovely wife were commies
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 05, 2017 10:28 AM (493sH)


My mother is 96. I took her to the FDR memorial just for sh^ts and grins. I knew my dad liked FDR, I assumed she did too. Apparently, she went along so she could (unobtrusively) spit on Eleanor.


Same woman who, when I told her Ted Kennedy had a brain tumor, she said, "It's about time."

Posted by: dagny at December 05, 2017 10:39 AM (eO5CB)

241 That should be the battery light went on. I guess I should be happy it didn't stall as I was making a turn on the street.

Posted by: Donna and V (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 05, 2017 10:39 AM (ZM2xo)

242 I tried to sit through the movie "Detroit" over the weekend and couldn't make it through half. It's a disgrace. They portray Conyers early in the film, not sure if he was in the 2nd half.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 05, 2017 10:39 AM (UBzPO)

243 It was on FBN.
--

Well, the NYT, and locally, WXYZ and WDIV both seem to be saying that he's not going to run for re-election, he will finish out his term and that he endorses his relative for the job.

Retiring in "2019."

However, there is a Des Moines Register story saying he's resigning today.

Posted by: shibumi at December 05, 2017 10:39 AM (aT+Bx)

244 Donna

Sounds like the engine is stalling.

When it does, your steering becomes very hard to turn when the car is stationary.

Maybe bad gas

Low gas

Needs tune-up

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 05, 2017 10:39 AM (EyPfd)

245 However, when I drove the car up the ramp in the employee parking
structure, it shut down on me when I tried making a turn. The wheel
locked and nothing happened when I tried shifting gears. I had to
restart the car and then it happened again as I was parking it. The
battery light went out - but I just got the damn battery replaced in
July and when I got my oil changed in September, they checked the
battery and said it was OK.
=====

Just went through something similar with my old Ford Windstar. Check for recall notices -- I think you can do it online by make and model.

Posted by: mustbequantum at December 05, 2017 10:40 AM (MIKMs)

246 Rons, can you help me figure out what's up with my car?"

Brand/engine/trans/etc?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 05, 2017 10:40 AM (MINbv)

247 ah. what was the option if Red Army was already there ? go to war ??

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Well my Army was already there.

Posted by: Zombie Patton at December 05, 2017 10:40 AM (sX1BW)

248 Hey, you trying being the flat place between Germany and Russia and see how you like it.

Posted by: Poland at December 05, 2017 10:40 AM (fuK7c)

249 Nelson was a great and aggressive admiral, but for sheer lunacy and daringet you want to look at Cochrane. Great Britain, where he posed every body off with his victories. Chile where afterm winning the naval side ofor the San Martin's revolution in record time they had a dispute about pay and he pirated one of the Chilean ships carrying pay to troops in Peru.
Then he was the Brazilian admiral in that revolution.

He died of a bladeer stone surgery

Posted by: Kindltot at December 05, 2017 10:41 AM (ZWEKT)

250 Yea, I don't think so. After months of no information it is starting to come out now in waves.

Sounds more like pro-active damage control for McCabe regarding the OIG report and other information making its way out.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 05, 2017 10:27 AM (/tuJf)


Another thought. The search for bank records is sounding to me like Mueller is starting to scramble to find something, anything to charge.

(1) With Flynn pleading to lying to the FBI and not any underlying crime that says that one is a dry well.

(2) Obstruction of justice for firing someone when the investigation continued anyway sure looks like nothing was obstructed.

(3) Something financial because there has to be something there - well, I don't know. If there were any irregularities those would have (in my opinion) been leaked over the past two years.

(4) Showing disobedience to Hawaiian judges by appealing their orders and Misogyny in the First Degree by denying Hillary her Crown.

Oh, and Trump has plenty of money and lawyers of his own and can wage a legal war of attrition, which must be frustrating as all get-out.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Feel the Rocket's Red Glare with a Lil' Hoister Petard from the Outrage Outlet! at December 05, 2017 10:41 AM (hLRSq)

251 >>The Atlantic has a hit piece on Mike Pence that should provide more
grist for the MSM--it claims Pence almost tried to attempt a coup of
the nomination in the wake of Pussygate and that Trump (or someone in
his camp) was willing to drop out for $800 million....


Eh, wasn't the Pence part reported on at the time - I know I've seen that before, and not recently. As for the payoff to Trump, that does not sound legit.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 05, 2017 10:41 AM (W+vEI)

252 Here's the Detroit FP story saying he just resigned:
https://tinyurl.com/y9534vxj

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 05, 2017 10:41 AM (UBzPO)

253 237
The Atlantic has a hit piece on Mike Pence that should provide more
grist for the MSM--it claims Pence almost tried to attempt a coup of
the nomination in the wake of Pussygate and that Trump (or someone in
his camp) was willing to drop out for $800 million....[/i}


Oh please.



Some lefty twit was on some show I happened by in the last couple days worrying that the sex scandals were going to make men be like Mike Pence, you know, careful about "entertaining women" behind closed doors.


Bet she's seeing her kneeling opportunities for advancement dry up.

Posted by: dagny at December 05, 2017 10:41 AM (eO5CB)

254 Doormat of Europe. EVERYBODY going east or west always stopped to wipe their jackboots.
There's a reason the Poles are so protective of their sovereignty.

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yes, and they were well integrated into the Euro royal stock as well - being Catholic they could be married off to French, Spanish or Austrian royalty. And they were.

Posted by: runner at December 05, 2017 10:41 AM (QC/4S)

255 Donna and V (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 05, 2017 10:37 AM
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I feel your pain. I had to drop my car off today at the mechanic, and it's going to be a HUGE chunk of change. "Timing belt" plus more!


Posted by: shibumi at December 05, 2017 10:41 AM (aT+Bx)

256 What you call "Eastern Europe" was part of Russia and it's Empire for a few centuries prior to Revolution and treaty of Brest Litovsk. in essence it existed only for 20-25 and only because Lenin.

Posted by: runner at December 05, 2017 10:24 AM (QC/4S)

No, most of it was under control of the Austrian or Ottoman empires up until WWI. Poland was constantly in flux between self rule and being partitioned between the great powers. After WWI, those areas got their independence and proceeded to fight territorial disputes among themselves that left them vulnerable when Hitler rolled around. The Poles actually beat back the Russians in one little war. Russia has always wanted to create a pan-slavic empire but it's never quite worked out for them.

Posted by: WOPR (now with chainsaw bayonets) at December 05, 2017 10:41 AM (WVeiZ)

257 thus, their territory fluctuated between all those empires

Posted by: runner at December 05, 2017 10:42 AM (QC/4S)

258 ah. what was the option if Red Army was already there ? go to war ??

---------------

Well my Army was already there.
Posted by: Zombie Patton at December 05, 2017 10:40 AM (sX1BW)

My bad.

Posted by: Historian Amy Schumer at December 05, 2017 10:42 AM (sX1BW)

259 Eh, wasn't the Pence part reported on at the time - I know I've seen that before, and not recently. "

Indeed. That was newz a year plus ago...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 05, 2017 10:43 AM (MINbv)

260 Damn, you sunk my battleship.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 05, 2017 10:43 AM (3/sUh)

261 Posted by: mustbequantum at December 05, 2017 10:40 AM (MIKMs)



Thermostat.


How do I know this? Happened last year on the Pacifica and the year before on the Explorer.

Posted by: dagny at December 05, 2017 10:44 AM (eO5CB)

262 Well my Army was already there.
Posted by: Zombie Patton at December 05, 2017 10:40 AM (sX1BW)


I had a great idea, but nobody listened.

Posted by: A. Hitler, Zombie at December 05, 2017 10:44 AM (zmvwV)

263 Thermostat."

What if she's driving an old school Beetle?

Heh.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 05, 2017 10:45 AM (MINbv)

264 Oh, and Trump has plenty of money and lawyers of his own and can wage a legal war of attrition, which must be frustrating as all get-out.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Feel the Rocket's Red Glare with a Lil' Hoister Petard from the Outrage Outlet! at December 05, 2017 10:41 AM (hLRSq)


Probably be cheaper to just form a death squad to remove the 100 or so blisters from the ass of the country.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at December 05, 2017 10:45 AM (aMlLZ)

265 231 Conyers is a fool. Dude needs to pull a Voinovich and auction it off to the highest bidder.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 05, 2017 10:35 AM (YlSx4)


Blago?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 05, 2017 10:45 AM (3/sUh)

266 Posted by: Donna and V (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 05, 2017 10:37 AM (ZM2xo)

Do not start it. Have the timing belt checked, it may be going.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Feel the Rocket's Red Glare with a Lil' Hoister Petard from the Outrage Outlet! at December 05, 2017 10:45 AM (hLRSq)

267 I'm really pissed off - I've got this stupid crown to (partially) pay for and now the car and of course it's a crappy month to incur extra expenses. But winter is a crappy time to have your car break down in Wisconsin.
Posted by: Donna and V (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 05, 2017 10:37 AM (ZM2xo)

Sorry about your situation! Need much more info, but start with alternator. But, being able to start & car running with hesitation & dies makes me think injectors or fuel system problem.

O'reilly's Auto Parts usually has free diagnostics.

Posted by: texcat at December 05, 2017 10:45 AM (wf3RQ)

268 Miracle on the Vistula.


Saint John Paul II's father used that as a bedtime story for little Karl.

Posted by: dagny at December 05, 2017 10:46 AM (eO5CB)

269 264. Certainly more satisfying. And definitely cheaper than attorneys' fees.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 05, 2017 10:46 AM (fA1SL)

270 And BOOM goes L'Orient.

Posted by: Strategic Corporal USMC at December 05, 2017 10:46 AM (CSaCX)

271 @87

The decision will either be unconstitutional or an incomprehensible, unworkable mess.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 05, 2017 10:46 AM (mN6+h)

272 265. That was who I was thinking of!

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 05, 2017 10:47 AM (fA1SL)

273 I give up. Tablet and autocucumber hate me

Posted by: Kindltot at December 05, 2017 10:47 AM (ZWEKT)

274 We had a transmission go on the way home from Christmas eve mass once. Pushed it to the side of a residential street.


LOVE having things blow when you're already spending money. I bought a new couch yesterday, I'm sure a car will break down this week.

Posted by: dagny at December 05, 2017 10:47 AM (eO5CB)

275 "Conyers is trying to pass his seat on to his son.
Posted by: Brian"

Doesn't he get civil right icon protection status too? I think it gets passed down so he can never be challenged or questioned. Sort of like the MLK clan..

"Today, son of legendary civil rights icon John Conyers said..."

Posted by: Ripley at December 05, 2017 10:48 AM (MxEKc)

276 @87

The decision will either be unconstitutional or an incomprehensible, unworkable mess.

-------

Tough, its my world, you all just get to live in it.

Posted by: Anthony Kennedy at December 05, 2017 10:48 AM (sX1BW)

277 Well my Army was already there.
Posted by: Zombie Patton at December 05, 2017 10:40 AM (sX1BW)

The US army was being shipped to the Pacific or being demobilized. One concern the Army had about invading Japan was that they were going to invade with a lot of raw recruits since a good chunk of troops from Europe had the points to exit the service.

Posted by: WOPR (now with chainsaw bayonets) at December 05, 2017 10:49 AM (WVeiZ)

278 RE: Conyers, I think, as our former Lord and Master King Barack I would say, 'it's all wee-weed up.'

Some stories say he is retiring effective today.

Other stories say he will serve out his term and not seek re-election.

Posted by: shibumi at December 05, 2017 10:49 AM (aT+Bx)

279 Russia has always wanted to create a pan-slavic empire but it's never quite worked out for them. Posted by: WOPR (now with chainsaw bayonets) at December 05, 2017 10:41 AM (WVeiZ)
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And now they are the Visograd group against both a German Reich and Russian hegenmony. Been there, done that, never again. President DJT supports them.

Posted by: mustbequantum at December 05, 2017 10:50 AM (MIKMs)

280 277. Heh.....or - give Patton command over surrendered German troops and go and do what must be done.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 05, 2017 10:50 AM (fA1SL)

281 >>Probably be cheaper to just form a death squad to remove the 100 or so blisters from the ass of the country. Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at December 05, 2017 10:45 AM (aMlLZ)

Or do as Idi Amin did and outsource blister-removal to blisters, one at a time. Two guys, one club, one outbuilding. Repeat until there's one guy, and punch his ticket.

And send the bill for the bullet to his kinsmen.

Posted by: Zod at December 05, 2017 10:50 AM (Bdeb0)

282 Several million German civilians died while the area of East Prussia was being occupied by the Soviets, right at the end of WWII and shortly afterward. They were attempting to escape, of course.

I had some ancestors in the vicinity, and when mentioning that to some modern-minded postwar Germans they affected not to know the name "Prusse." That's how badly they feel about it -- they pretend it never existed.

Of course, to admit they remembered would have been an invitation to ask if they wanted it back, and there we'd all go...

Only a couple (big) counties of Poland, around Warsaw, have been Poland right through. Everything else has migrated around it.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 05, 2017 10:50 AM (H5rtT)

283 LOVE having things blow when you're already spending money. I bought a new couch yesterday, I'm sure a car will break down this week.
Posted by: dagny at December 05, 2017 10:47 AM (eO5CB)

Had the engine of my car blow up, smoke and everything, while delivering cookies to clients three days before Christmas. That's the way life works.

Posted by: WOPR (now with chainsaw bayonets) at December 05, 2017 10:50 AM (WVeiZ)

284 I recall Trump saying a few months ago that f Mueller got too close to his family or his personal finances, he might make a move.....
It would appear now is the time. On the other hand, Trump probably had his people vet all his bank records to make sure there's nothing there Mueller could use....

Posted by: JoeF. at December 05, 2017 10:51 AM (7uYFy)

285 I get to a great thread on naval warfare. I recognized the Battle of the Nile without using the title, because exploding flagships was rare in the days of sail. And a number of commenters have made any of my contributions moot.

*pouts*

Thank you for this wonderful art, CBD.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 05, 2017 10:51 AM (hyuyC)

286 Frigate it. It's Egypt.

Posted by: Fritz at December 05, 2017 10:51 AM (2Mnv1)

287
And now they are the Visograd group against both a German Reich and Russian hegenmony. Been there, done that, never again. President DJT supports them.

Posted by: mustbequantum at December 05, 2017 10:50 AM (MIKMs)

They've also been the bulwark against an expanding Caliphate.

Posted by: josephistan at December 05, 2017 10:51 AM (7HtZB)

288 You know, when you think about it, a bakery is kind of like a utility...

Posted by: FCC at December 05, 2017 10:52 AM (/qEW2)

289 Conyers is out.

Good. Another Prog out of power.

Now, PDT needs to find a good conservative to replace him.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 05, 2017 10:52 AM (tRaq7)

290 Only a couple (big) counties of Poland, around Warsaw, have been Poland right through. Everything else has migrated around it.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 05, 2017 10:50 AM (H5rtT)

But the people of Poland have a strong national identity....

Posted by: JoeF. at December 05, 2017 10:52 AM (7uYFy)

291 Well my Army was already there.
Posted by: Zombie Patton at December 05, 2017 10:40 AM (sX1BW)

The US population was sick of war and wanted it over. Anyone who tried to start a war with the Soviets right then would have been lynched stateside, and yes, old Blood & Guts also.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Feel the Rocket's Red Glare with a Lil' Hoister Petard from the Outrage Outlet! at December 05, 2017 10:52 AM (hLRSq)

292 "Sorry about your situation! Need much more info, but start with alternator. But, being able to start & car running with hesitation & dies makes me think injectors or fuel system problem. "

I had a tank of bad gas (water and contamination) that produced those symptoms once. But as others have said, could be a lot of things.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 05, 2017 10:53 AM (k1TUh)

293 @284

The problem this prosecutor and investigation are not in the business of doing justice.

They can and will try to create process crimes.

They are completely unmoored from the law and morality.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 05, 2017 10:54 AM (mN6+h)

294 But the people of Poland have a strong national identity....
Posted by: JoeF. at December 05, 2017 10:52 AM (7uYFy)


It's the product of many millennia of engagement in complex communal tasks, dating back to neolithic times.

Like screwing in a light bulb.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 05, 2017 10:54 AM (zmvwV)

295 279 Russia has always wanted to create a pan-slavic empire but it's never quite worked out for them. Posted by: WOPR (now with chainsaw bayonets) at December 05, 2017 10:41 AM (WVeiZ)
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And now they are the Visograd group against both a German Reich and Russian hegenmony. Been there, done that, never again. President DJT supports them.

Posted by: mustbequantum at December 05, 2017 10:50 AM (MIKMs)

============

Finally! Maybe if they'd listened to me a hundred years ago we could have avoided some of this unpleasantness!

Posted by: Zombie Marshal Pilsudski at December 05, 2017 10:54 AM (aS0oA)

296 Conyers' son will protect the established graft and failure. Continuity!

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 05, 2017 10:54 AM (oVJmc)

297 >>>>It's not so much the cake is gay. It's a case of trying to coerce people
to cater or participate in a ceremony that they feel is immoral.

.
.
.It's completely about power. They want the Government to have their backs when they come and force you to celebrate their lifestyle against your beliefs. And by golly they will see you ruined if you don't submit.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 05, 2017 10:04 AM (+Dllb)

I can only hope the bakers have a lawyer that won't wander off in arguments about gays being a choice or that his clients would not bake a cake with a devil on it or whatever as some of the stupid left pundits this morning were claiming.

Please stay in the lane of forcing a baker to participate in a ceremony forbidden by his religion to participate in. That the first amendment prohibits the government from restricting his right to practice his religion. That compelling this baker to design, create, deliver and serve a wedding cake at a ceremony for a same sex couple would require him to ignore and violate his religious beliefs.

Posted by: Jen the original at December 05, 2017 10:55 AM (VSya6)

298 You know, when you think about it, a bakery is kind of like a utility... Posted by: FCC at December 05, 2017 10:52 AM (/qEW2
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LOL! Thank you, made me laugh (and I needed it).

Posted by: mustbequantum at December 05, 2017 10:55 AM (MIKMs)

299 I've never heard the name "Conyers" except for the congressman. Is it just a weird spelling of "Connors?"

Posted by: JoeF. at December 05, 2017 10:57 AM (7uYFy)

300 I can only hope the bakers have a lawyer that won't wander off in arguments about gays being a choice or that his clients would not bake a cake with a devil on it or whatever as some of the stupid left pundits this morning were claiming.

Please stay in the lane of forcing a baker to participate in a ceremony forbidden by his religion to participate in. That the first amendment prohibits the government from restricting his right to practice his religion. That compelling this baker to design, create, deliver and serve a wedding cake at a ceremony for a same sex couple would require him to ignore and violate his religious beliefs.
Posted by: Jen the original

__________

Agreed, even though I'm sure that's how it will be portrayed anyway.

It really is a landmark case and I hope its not thrown away to make some moral point regarding homosexuality.

Posted by: Maritime at December 05, 2017 10:57 AM (lKmt3)

301 I've never heard the name "Conyers" except for the congressman. Is it just a weird spelling of "Connors?"

Posted by: JoeF. at December 05, 2017 10:57 AM (7uYFy)


Well its just a quick way of saying con yours.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at December 05, 2017 10:58 AM (aMlLZ)

302 Re: Obstruction of Justice charges. Comey told the House IC in the first week of March that he did not think Flynn intentionally lied. If Comey was not considering charging Flynn in March after the "meeting" with Trump allegedly asking him to go lightly on Flynn, how is there obstruction, when there were no charges, per Comey, to "obstruct"?

Posted by: Ever at December 05, 2017 10:58 AM (wQ1Qo)

303 280 277. Heh.....or - give Patton command over surrendered German troops and go and do what must be done.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 05, 2017 10:50 AM (fA1SL)

=============

I think that was his plan: A core of well trained Americans commanding the Wehrmacht. Methinks he was familar with the story of Baron von Ungern-Sternberg.

Posted by: Jackal at December 05, 2017 10:58 AM (aS0oA)

304 >>"Conyers is trying to pass his seat on to his son.


Of course he is.


What is it about these long-serving politicians that they start to believe they are irreplaceable, and that they own their seat?

That's why Conyers is still in the House at age 88 - he loves the power and is arrogant enough to believe Congress needs him. Same for John McCain and many others. You're ALL replaceable, guys, as it should be.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 05, 2017 10:58 AM (W+vEI)

305 House vacancies are filled by a full election process, political party nominating process, primary elections and general elections, often taking up to 6 months to fill a vacancy.

Posted by: Strategic Corporal USMC at December 05, 2017 10:58 AM (CSaCX)

306 Now, PDT needs to find a good conservative to replace him.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 05, 2017 10:52 AM (tRaq7)

LOL! In Detroit? LOLOL!!!!

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 05, 2017 10:58 AM (UBzPO)

307 Well its just a quick way of saying con yours.
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Totally THIS.

Posted by: shibumi at December 05, 2017 10:59 AM (aT+Bx)

308 The Russians had a lot more troops, a lot more tanks of the design that the US should have had, an industrial base to back it all up that had taken years and millions in US investment to finally get up and running, and those superior Studebaker US6 transport trucks.

Patton might have made a bolder stand, grabbed some more territory for negotiation, but even with the ex-Nazis plus all the Allies on his side -- which he definitely would not have had -- "we" could not have run the Russkies out of central Europe. We were lucky to hold what we had.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 05, 2017 10:59 AM (H5rtT)

309 Conyers getting hustled off the stage before he becomes more of an optic liability during the mid-terms.

Posted by: davidt at December 05, 2017 10:59 AM (yP91S)

310 Does Conyers son walk around with his dick hanging out too?

Posted by: Under Fire at December 05, 2017 11:00 AM (r9UYA)

311 A couple of dragons would have made that battle a lot quicker.

Posted by: Agent Coooper at December 05, 2017 11:00 AM (oyCqX)

312 Batting clean-up for the Democrats...

AL....Al.....al.....

FRANKEN.....Franken.....franken...

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 05, 2017 11:01 AM (oVJmc)

313 A core of well trained Americans commanding the Wehrmacht.


Wasn't the Wehrmacht pretty much 14 year old boys and 60 year old men at that point.

From the people I've met in my travels I think Germans were pretty well done with war at that point.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 05, 2017 11:01 AM (fuK7c)

314 JOE CONYERS WAS AN....AN...AN...AN....AN...AN...ICON!!!

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at December 05, 2017 11:01 AM (O5Q3r)

315 That's why Conyers is still in the House at age 88 - he loves the power and is arrogant enough to believe Congress needs him. Same for John McCain and many others. You're ALL replaceable, guys, as it should be.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 05, 2017 10:58 AM (W+vEI)

It'll be nice when they are replaced more regularly and not at the point of death or prison.

Posted by: auscolpyr at December 05, 2017 11:01 AM (suO/a)

316 Battle of the Nile,
Britain schooled Napoleon
On the might of sea power
So Bonaparte sneaked away
Abandoning his men
Only to proclaim
A great victory
Once he was in Paris.
Ozymandias was he
When all that is left
To mark this grand adventure
A book on Egypt
And Rosetta in an English museum.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 05, 2017 11:01 AM (QDvfw)

317 I think that was his plan: A core of well trained Americans commanding the Wehrmacht. Methinks he was familar with the story of Baron von Ungern-Sternberg.
Posted by: Jackal at December 05, 2017 10:58 AM (aS0oA)

Swedish Chef makes a GREAT Ungernsternberg.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 05, 2017 11:01 AM (NWiLs)

318 McCain begged for 74 additional twatter followers to reach 3M. He lost 30k and counting. LOL

Posted by: Under Fire at December 05, 2017 11:01 AM (r9UYA)

319 LOL! In Detroit? LOLOL!!!!

Hey, don't discount The Trump Effect. Many positive political things have happened this year that I never would've thought possible.

IIRC, a sheriff up there told people to get themselves a gun for self-protection because the cops couldn't be everywhere. That was a surprise.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 05, 2017 11:02 AM (tRaq7)

320 Put me down for $50 on Geraldo Rivera as the next perpetrator at odds of 30-1

Posted by: Rockysan99 at December 05, 2017 11:02 AM (m7LQK)

321 -
--
Does Conyers son walk around with his dick hanging out too?



Posted by: Under Fire at December 05, 2017 11:00 AM

-------------------------

Some Congressional traditions must be maintained.


Posted by: Zombie Ted Kennedy at December 05, 2017 11:02 AM (pMGkg)

322
House vacancies are filled by a full election process, political party
nominating process, primary elections and general elections, often
taking up to 6 months to fill a vacancy.
--

You know, I bet if some random guy changed his name to "John Conyers" and ran for office, they'd elect him.

OTOH, the illegitimate son of Coleman Young just ran for mayor and was defeated by the current mayor, who is white.

So.. Apocalypse Now, Detroit Edition.

Posted by: shibumi at December 05, 2017 11:02 AM (aT+Bx)

323 314 JOE CONYERS WAS AN....AN...AN...AN....AN...AN...ICON!!!
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at December 05, 2017 11:01 AM (O5Q3r)

----

*Smacks the turntable*

Posted by: auscolpyr at December 05, 2017 11:02 AM (suO/a)

324 From the people I've met in my travels I think Germans were pretty well done with war at that point.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 05, 2017 11:01 AM (fuK7c)

Oh, they were done alright.....

Posted by: The Allies at December 05, 2017 11:02 AM (7uYFy)

325 263 Thermostat."

What if she's driving an old school Beetle?


Still s'posed to have a thermostat, which controls how open the shroud around the engine is.

Posted by: Anachronda at December 05, 2017 11:03 AM (sGtp+)

326 Ungern-Sternberg - Baltic Imperial nobility, leading Cossacks and Mongols against commie filth. What a country!

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 05, 2017 11:03 AM (fA1SL)

327 Stringer Davis

The Russians were actually running out of men by the end of the war. Divisional strengths were way down.

I've gamed it out, and the Allies would prevail. A lot of dead ground troops on the US side, and a lot of dead troops, airman, civilians, dog, cats, & chickens on the Soviet side.

However, the level of war weariness was such that there was no will to fight a new war on any side. Governments would have fallen, and in some cases, they did.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 05, 2017 11:03 AM (hyuyC)

328 Just checking in to say hi - not sure how long our power will be on here in Ventura county with the fire raging a few miles from us

Posted by: IC at December 05, 2017 11:04 AM (t0FJ/)

329 I blame THE MAN!!!

Posted by: John Conyers, Former Icon at December 05, 2017 11:04 AM (O5Q3r)

330 Surprising Wapo let Hugh Hewitt he of the weird pedoface publish an op ed about getting a special prosecutor to investigate the FBI and DOJ over all of this stuff.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 05, 2017 11:04 AM (4ErVI)

331 Twenty percent of Russia's armored vehicles deployed from 1942 on were manufactured in the US, Canada, or UK.

Russia's industrial war production in WWII was on par with that of Japan.

Posted by: RioBravo at December 05, 2017 11:04 AM (5NMZN)

332 IIRC, a sheriff up there told people to get
themselves a gun for self-protection because the cops couldn't be
everywhere. That was a surprise.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 05, 2017 11:02 AM (tRaq7)

You should see the New Orleans mayoral race. No Republican even bothered to run. The Democrat who won is about to be indicted for improper use of her city credit card before she's even sworn in. I've given up on the urban cities - they can have them.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 05, 2017 11:04 AM (UBzPO)

333 >>328 Just checking in to say hi - not sure how long our power will be on here in Ventura county with the fire raging a few miles from us

Posted by: IC at December 05, 2017 11:04 AM (t0FJ/)

ABC news said they are going to start using helo water drops soon. Good luck.

Posted by: Under Fire at December 05, 2017 11:04 AM (r9UYA)

334 OK bills paid
Orders Printed out
2 more Patients

And I am out of here for 9 days going back to Old Vriginia

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 05, 2017 11:05 AM (5y11N)

335 Just checking in to say hi - not sure how long our power will be on here in Ventura county with the fire raging a few miles from us

Be careful up there, and keep us posted if you can.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 05, 2017 11:05 AM (tRaq7)

336 I had a tank of bad gas (water and contamination) that produced those symptoms once. But as others have said, could be a lot of things.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 05, 2017 10:53 AM (k1TUh)

After many years of experiencing it all...there is always something new to break down to add to the list!

She did say the battery light was on and she had new battery. Faulty Alternator first stop.

You got me thinking fuel filter, possible (and fuel-pumps usually just go out, so would rule that out).

Then catalytic converter clogging (check-engine light must be on for that), mass air-flow system sensor failure, throttle body sensor, more and more...

Posted by: texcat at December 05, 2017 11:05 AM (wf3RQ)

337 Surprising Wapo let Hugh Hewitt he of the weird pedoface publish an op ed about getting a special prosecutor to investigate the FBI and DOJ over all of this stuff.


Someone should wake up Jeff Sessions and let him know about this.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 05, 2017 11:05 AM (zmvwV)

338 I blame the culture of misogyny in the US on our current President, George Bush. His lack of morals and vulgar comments to Billy Bush are an embarrassment to all of us, especially his wife Barbara, his mother Nancy and his daughter Chelsea.

Posted by: Nancy Pelsoi at December 05, 2017 11:05 AM (aT+Bx)

339 Put me down for $50 on Geraldo Rivera as the next perpetrator at odds of 30-1
Posted by: Rockysan99 at December 05, 2017 11:02 AM (m7LQK)

I was thinking that a couple of weeks ago, but I'm not so sure. He did have such a reputation as a hot-blooded macho lady-killer--he even banged Jake Javits wife--that like Trump, he's inoculated against that sort of thing.
And not for nothing, you notice how no rock star is ever charged with this thing? Mick Jagger must have laid pipe with thousands of women from Baronesses to groupies...and nothing comes up.

Posted by: The Allies at December 05, 2017 11:06 AM (7uYFy)

340 331. And, an even more telling measure if Soviet weakness - GPW frontoviki had less in the way of quality & caloric count than did their fathers and uncles who fought under the Czar.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 05, 2017 11:06 AM (fA1SL)

341 Conyers is out.

CONYERS IS OUT?!?

Posted by: CNN, Al Sharpton, or BEN ROETHLISBERGER-chosse your own meme at December 05, 2017 11:07 AM (XQvuQ)

342 >>Good. Another Prog out of power.

>>Now, PDT needs to find a good conservative to replace him.

In Detroit? Not likely.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 05, 2017 11:07 AM (/tuJf)

343 No Republican even bothered to run. The Democrat who won is about to be
indicted for improper use of her city credit card before she's even
sworn in. I've given up on the urban cities - they can have them.
--

Republicans don't run in Detroit.

It's either black democrat vs. black democrat

or

black democrat vs. white democrat

Posted by: shibumi at December 05, 2017 11:07 AM (aT+Bx)

344 328 Just checking in to say hi - not sure how long our power will be on here in Ventura county with the fire raging a few miles from us

Posted by: IC at December 05, 2017 11:04 AM (t0FJ/)


Oh no! Stay safe, IC. Do they have any of it under control?

Posted by: Tami at December 05, 2017 11:07 AM (Enq6K)

345
Put me down for $50 on Geraldo Rivera as the next perpetrator at odds of 30-1
---

It's Danny Masterson. Supposedly raped four women.

Posted by: shibumi at December 05, 2017 11:07 AM (aT+Bx)

346 -
--
You should see the New Orleans mayoral race. No
Republican even bothered to run. The Democrat who won is about to be
indicted for improper use of her city credit card before she's even
sworn in. I've given up on the urban cities - they can have them.


Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 05, 2017 11:04 AM
----------------

Human beings are like shit. Spread around thinly, they can cause great things to grow. Concentrate them, and it's a sewer.


Posted by: irright at December 05, 2017 11:07 AM (pMGkg)

347 Is Alan Keyes still alive?

Posted by: RioBravo at December 05, 2017 11:08 AM (5NMZN)

348 Stringer beats me to the correction. The talk about Patton - or anyone else - "continuing" the war by starting up with the Russians is completely detached from military and political reality of the time. Don't understand why it has an ever-green appeal to so many people.


And Stringer, not to start a thing, but I don't think "millions" perished in the then-East Prussia during the Soviet offensive, or even in the ugly aftermath/settling of scores/movement of Poland west-ward. Seems way too high. Incredibly nasty, obviously, but that was of course a direct consequence of what was unleashed by the Germans there, which had no parallel in modern times. Of course going back before that, like most of the world, it was one appalling mess of depredation and atrocity after another.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 05, 2017 11:08 AM (QDnY+)

349 >Now, PDT needs to find a good conservative to replace him.

In Detroit? Not likely.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 05, 2017 11:07 AM (/tuJf)

LOL, the crook thinks Detroit is Czarist Russia and is trying to get his son into his seat. What a farce. And And And it will probably work.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 05, 2017 11:08 AM (5y11N)

350 You should see the New Orleans mayoral race. No Republican even bothered to run. The Democrat who won is about to be indicted for improper use of her city credit card before she's even sworn in. I've given up on the urban cities - they can have them.

You have my sympathies. I still remain cautiously optimistic. We've had a while under Prog rule and it'll take time to turn that around.

The tide is starting to turn and the wind is at our back for the first time in years.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 05, 2017 11:08 AM (tRaq7)

351 Ha. Conyers son (John Conyers III) is going to be challenged by his State Sen. nephew (Ian Conyers)!!!! Can't make this shit up!

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 05, 2017 11:09 AM (UBzPO)

352 I'm all for a special prosecutor to investigate the FBI.

Most importantly it keeps Hillary's shenanigans front and center. It also can provide cover for President Trump as he does other important work in the background...like grinding down the agencies.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 05, 2017 11:09 AM (4ErVI)

353 Ha. Conyers son (John Conyers III) is going to be challenged by his State Sen. nephew (Ian Conyers)!!!! Can't make this shit up!
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 05, 2017 11:09 AM (UBzPO)

Sounds like Detroit has more in common with North Korea than America

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 05, 2017 11:09 AM (5y11N)

354 327 Stringer Davis

The Russians were actually running out of men by the end of the war. Divisional strengths were way down.

I've gamed it out, and the Allies would prevail. A lot of dead ground troops on the US side, and a lot of dead troops, airman, civilians, dog, cats, & chickens on the Soviet side.

However, the level of war weariness was such that there was no will to fight a new war on any side. Governments would have fallen, and in some cases, they did.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 05, 2017 11:03 AM (hyuyC)

=============

Worth also noting: The US was capable of strategic bombing at that point in the war. How deep do you think B29s would have been able to strike if you base them in, say, Berlin? Or to make it a bit nastier: Helsinki?

Posted by: Jackal at December 05, 2017 11:10 AM (aS0oA)

355 351 Ha. Conyers son (John Conyers III) is going to be challenged by his State Sen. nephew (Ian Conyers)!!!! Can't make this shit up!

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 05, 2017 11:09 AM (UBzPO)


It's a Conyers sh!t storm.

Posted by: Tami at December 05, 2017 11:10 AM (Enq6K)

356
Please stay in the lane of forcing a baker to participate in a ceremony forbidden by his religion to participate in. That the first amendment prohibits the government from restricting his right to practice his religion. That compelling this baker to design, create, deliver and serve a wedding cake at a ceremony for a same sex couple would require him to ignore and violate his religious beliefs.
Posted by: Jen the original

__________

Agreed, even though I'm sure that's how it will be portrayed anyway.

It really is a landmark case and I hope its not thrown away to make some moral point regarding homosexuality.
Posted by: Maritime at December 05, 2017 10:57 AM (lKmt3)

I'd also argue that Free Speech is a right, and EVERY Right must also embrace the idea that you don't HAVE to do it....

ie... Freedom of Speech encompasses the Right NOT to speak. Writing on a cake is clearly speech.

Now, if they had refused to sell them a BLANK cake, the argument would not hold... but the planttiffs had apparently been customers before.

Posted by: Don Q. at December 05, 2017 11:10 AM (NgKpN)

357 Marine Master Sergeant stationed on Okinawa witnesses an auto accident. He goes to render help by pushing a man to safety only to be struck himself. Trujillo has been medivac'd to the US suffering a skull fracture and spinal injuries.

http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=76333

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 05, 2017 11:10 AM (QDvfw)

358 >>>>I recall Trump saying a few months ago that f Mueller got too close to
his family or his personal finances, he might make a move.....

It would appear now is the time. On the other hand, Trump probably
had his people vet all his bank records to make sure there's nothing
there Mueller could use....
.
.
.My worry is that even if Trump fires mueller he might not step down. Instant Constitutional Crises because all of the dems and over half of DC would support him doing that.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 05, 2017 11:10 AM (+Dllb)

359 Ha. Conyers son (John Conyers III) is going to be challenged by his State Sen. nephew (Ian Conyers)!!!! Can't make this shit up!
---

Some random guy needs to change his name to "John Conyars" and run, just to see what happens.

Posted by: shibumi at December 05, 2017 11:10 AM (aT+Bx)

360 GP enroute.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader & Culture Producer at December 05, 2017 11:11 AM (Of/Z8)

361 France, Britain, Greece and the Balkans all on the Russian side.
Probably Holland Italy and Belgium too, all balloons being up.
You laugh, and yet where would you land supply ships?
Don't forget to war-game that.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 05, 2017 11:12 AM (H5rtT)

362 It's Danny Masterson. Supposedly raped four women.

That's been percolating for weeks.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 05, 2017 11:12 AM (oVJmc)

363 .My worry is that even if Trump fires mueller he might not step down. Instant Constitutional Crises because all of the dems and over half of DC would support him doing that.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 05, 2017 11:10 AM (+Dllb)

And based on "what" could he refuse to step down?

Posted by: The Allies at December 05, 2017 11:12 AM (7uYFy)

364 After many years of experiencing it all...there is always something new to break down to add to the list!

Ain't that the truth. I gotta take my 27-yr-old S10 into the shop today myself.

This is no time of the year to have to surrender to the tender mercies of a garage.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 05, 2017 11:12 AM (tRaq7)

365 ie... Freedom of Speech encompasses the Right NOT to speak. Writing on a cake is clearly speech.


Meh. It's more of a tax.

Posted by: Chief Justice Roberts at December 05, 2017 11:12 AM (zmvwV)

366 I know I could look this up but lazy....WTH is Danny Masterson?

Posted by: Tami at December 05, 2017 11:12 AM (Enq6K)

367 If you want to understand New Orleans voting, know that the City of New Orleans (proper, not the area) is 60% black, 30% white, 10% other.

So the mayor's race their is always about who promises to give away the most to the ghetto rats. That's all.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 05, 2017 11:12 AM (k1TUh)

368 After many years of experiencing it all...there is always something new to break down to add to the list!

She did say the battery light was on and she had new battery. Faulty Alternator first stop.

You got me thinking fuel filter, possible (and fuel-pumps usually just go out, so would rule that out).

Then catalytic converter clogging (check-engine light must be on for that), mass air-flow system sensor failure, throttle body sensor, more and more...

Posted by: texcat at December 05, 2017 11:05 AM (wf3RQ)

Cars today are like starships, its amazing the amount of shit that can beach them.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at December 05, 2017 11:12 AM (aMlLZ)

369 Oh no! Stay safe, IC. Do they have any of it under control?

Posted by: Tami at December 05, 2017 11:07 AM (Enq6K)
0% contained the last time I checked. some fancy rehab hospital in ventura was burned down earlier this morning - their claim to fame was having Charlie Sheen as a patient. Unsuccessful rehab.

Posted by: IC at December 05, 2017 11:13 AM (a0IVu)

370 The Royal Navy will be a good deal larger in a couple of days. On December 7, the HMS Queen Elizabeth will be commissioned in Portsmouth.

75,000 tonnes and will be equipped to carry and launch F-35s.

Gallipoli was a brilliant idea. Unfortunately for Churchill, the expedition's army commander was completely inept and the RN didn't push. No Nelson there.

Max Hasting's book "Churchill's War" covers the UK's Med strategy and failures in depth. To the Navy's credit, whatever the debacles in the Levant, Malta held and the supply lines to Egypt were secure.


Posted by: mrp at December 05, 2017 11:13 AM (Pqytn)

371 Some random guy needs to change his name to "John Conyars" and run, just to see what happens.
Posted by: shibumi at December 05, 2017 11:10 AM (aT+Bx)

Even better: Jane Conyers!

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 05, 2017 11:13 AM (UBzPO)

372 Thanks for tips - called O'Reilly Auto Parts, they will test to see if it is an alternator/starter issue.

I will take it tomorrow as I have to work late today. I'll just walk home today (usually walk to work, drove this morning just because of the dental appointment).

I'm going to be terrified to even drive it to O'Reilly's, which is on a very busy street. I pray it won't stall on me. But if I know what the issue is, I'll feel better about then going to a mechanic, because they won't be able to bullshit me that I have to have all these other stuff done.

Posted by: Donna and V (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 05, 2017 11:14 AM (ZM2xo)

373 And based on "what" could he refuse to step down?
Posted by: The Allies at December 05, 2017 11:12 AM (7uYFy)

based on "Fuck You, Pay me" now sit down, shut up, and bay like a sheep

Posted by: The Swamp at December 05, 2017 11:14 AM (5y11N)

374 The Finns were in no shape for anything except rebuilding after ending the Continuation War because the Germans as they retreated to Norway burned as much of Finland down as they could. Then there were the Soviets.

If it was not for the photo of the Americans raising the flag atop Suribachi, the seventh War Bond drive would have probably flopped. The American public was that tapped out on motivation.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 05, 2017 11:14 AM (QDvfw)

375 And based on "what" could he refuse to step down?
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We've got it all planned out.

Posted by: The Ninth Circuit and Our Judge Kings in Hawaii at December 05, 2017 11:15 AM (aT+Bx)

376 blame THE MAN!!!
Posted by: John Conyers, Former Icon at December 05, 2017 11:04 AM (O5Q3r)

Word!

Posted by: #MeToo at December 05, 2017 11:15 AM (g4lFK)

377 I know I could look this up but lazy....WTH is Danny Masterson?
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He used to play "Hyde" on That 70s Show.

Posted by: shibumi at December 05, 2017 11:16 AM (aT+Bx)

378 Even better: Jane Conyers!


Yep. A white guy who identifies as a black lesbian BLM supporter who drops the charade immediately upon being sworn in.

Surprise!

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 05, 2017 11:16 AM (tRaq7)

379 rhomboid

If you factor in all the POWs that did not make it back, it looks close.

85-90% of the women in East Prussia were raped by Soviet troops at least once. I cite this as the core reason for German passiveness. The Russian made it personal and very nasty.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 05, 2017 11:16 AM (hyuyC)

380 Confuse people even more - JJ Conyers. but you can call Xir Ray-Jay.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 05, 2017 11:16 AM (QDvfw)

381 Looks like I'll driving in rain all night

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 05, 2017 11:16 AM (5y11N)

382 BavkwardsBoy, does your S10 have power steering? I'm just asking because the one I drove at work many years ago didn't. The lack of that particular feature was not popular with me and my coworkers.

Posted by: stace at December 05, 2017 11:17 AM (6HFDU)

383 I'm going to be terrified to even drive it to O'Reilly's, which is on a very busy street. I pray it won't stall on me. But if I know what the issue is, I'll feel better about then going to a mechanic, because they won't be able to bullshit me that I have to have all these other stuff done.

Posted by: Donna and V (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 05, 2017 11:14 AM (ZM2xo)


what year car is it? make and model ? Auto? stick?

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at December 05, 2017 11:17 AM (aMlLZ)

384 >>>>My worry is that even if Trump fires mueller he might not step down.
Instant Constitutional Crises because all of the dems and over half of
DC would support him doing that.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 05, 2017 11:10 AM (+Dllb)



And based on "what" could he refuse to step down?
.
.
.
.All meuller would have to do is say that Trump is attempting to obstruct justice by firing him and the left, the media and over half of DC would run with that.

Don't think that the dems aren't gaming out that very strategy right now.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 05, 2017 11:17 AM (+Dllb)

385 Be careful IC. If it looks bad, get your loved ones and get out. If you don't already have a bug out bag, make one. And prayers for you and yours.

Posted by: moki at December 05, 2017 11:18 AM (V+V48)

386 Even better: Jane Conyers!
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Yeah, I'm thinking that Jane is too different than John. Plus... there would be tv coverage, and people would notice it's a woman.

However.. if he was black and older than the other two Conyers running, it would totally work IMHO. "Conyars."


Posted by: shibumi at December 05, 2017 11:18 AM (aT+Bx)

387 Gorilla up!

Posted by: bicentennialguy at December 05, 2017 11:18 AM (vg8iE)

388 Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 05, 2017 11:14 AM (QDvfw)

Historically... any Democratic Government has about 4 years to prosecute a war before anti war forces really start.

We've now been at War for 16 years... but only because while we have troops in combat worldwide, the Civilians here don't really feel it.

The US Military is at war... the US populace is not... because our Government does not even talk about war anymore.

Posted by: Don Q. at December 05, 2017 11:19 AM (NgKpN)

389 Don't think that the dems aren't gaming out that very strategy right now.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 05, 2017 11:17 AM (+Dllb)

I've always suspected the plan was for Trump to fire Mueller right away so they could try to impeach him on that. They don't know what to do if Mueller is allowed to proceed and finds nothing.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 05, 2017 11:19 AM (UBzPO)

390 Meh. It's more of a tax.

Posted by: Chief Justice Roberts at December 05, 2017 11:12 AM (zmvwV)


Thank you, and because it is a tax the individual mandate can be removed in a tax bill.

Talk about petards.....

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Feel the Rocket's Red Glare with a Lil' Hoister Petard from the Outrage Outlet! at December 05, 2017 11:19 AM (hLRSq)

391 During the Berlin Airlift it was still common for the American occupying forces to note how the German children 'played' the Rape Game. All because of Stalin and his horny rapacious thugs.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 05, 2017 11:19 AM (QDvfw)

392 -
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Looks like I'll driving in rain all night

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 05, 2017 11:16 AM
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Windshield wipers
Slappin out a tempo
Keeping perfect rythym
With the song on the radio-o

Posted by: Eddie Rabbit at December 05, 2017 11:19 AM (pMGkg)

393 Don't think that the dems aren't gaming out that very strategy right now.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 05, 2017 11:17 AM (+Dllb)

We need another Saturday Night Massacre. These things have to happen every 10 years or so. Get's rid of all the bad blood

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 05, 2017 11:20 AM (5y11N)

394 My worry is that even if Trump fires mueller he might not step down.
Instant Constitutional Crises because all of the dems and over half of
DC would support him doing that.

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What's the Constitutional Crisis? Entirely within his Constitutional power to fire Mueller.

Political battles are not Constitutional Crises.

Posted by: SH at December 05, 2017 11:20 AM (sX1BW)

395 nood y'all

Posted by: runner at December 05, 2017 11:20 AM (Jj/1f)

396 My worry is that even if Trump fires mueller he might not step down. Instant Constitutional Crises because all of the dems and over half of DC would support him doing that.

This whole charade was cooked up by the failed Hillary campaign out of nothing to delegitimize Trump's victory.
The FAKENEWS media flogged it like a rented mule. Now that it has been set in motion, corrupt Mueller and his crew of partisan hacks are not going to stop until they find something, ANYTHING, to hang on Trump. To spend millions to come up with a silly conviction of Flynn for lying to the FBI would be a humiliation.

The whole thing is nothing but an attempted slow-motion coup. That it even got this far is appalling. That Sessions recused himself is inexplicable. Trump should take his case to the public and then fire the whole lot of them.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 05, 2017 11:20 AM (zmvwV)

397 354 Jackal

That is factored in to the allies winning.

The logistic lines to the strategic bomber groups and wings was still to England. That would have remained. However, the highly polished Tac Air Forces based in Germany would have won decisive air supremacy.

Later, you could have moved the strategic bombers to new bases. Most runways in Germany were not set up for B-17s, B-24s, B-29s or B-32s.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 05, 2017 11:21 AM (hyuyC)

398 The RN didn't "push" at Gallipoli? You could almost walk ashore on the hulls of their sunken battleships. Could have used more minesweepers, yes.

We read Churchill's fine speeches and quips and wonder, now who could have been against him? But Churchill was completely committed to re-taking the Empire. The British fully expected to hold Greece and environs as a tenant state, fully expected India to sit down and shut up, and expected a reverent Commonwealth from the African states. Some of that might, could have happened, but there wasn't enough financial or human capital left among Imperial adherents to do all that. And that was Churchill's portfolio.

England was essentially a socialist country and a Soviet ally from the 1920's on. It's one of history's little mistakes that Churchill even came to power.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 05, 2017 11:24 AM (H5rtT)

399 That's why Conyers is still in the House at age 88 - he loves the power and is arrogant enough to believe Congress needs him. Same for John McCain and many others. You're ALL replaceable, guys, as it should be.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 05, 2017 10:58 AM (W+vEI)

John Conyers doesn't know where he is most of the time. His handlers wouldn't allow the Detroit press to ask him questions during the last election.
He was run as a front for others in Detroit to make sure the graft pipleline continued and the relatives and friends all continued to have jobs. Conyers lawyer the other day during a Detroit press conference was trying to shame all the staffers who have come forward as being ungrateful for the fact that John has given them, their daughter and their friends jobs.
I'm not kidding, I couldn't believe he said that.

There was a rally Sunday for him at some black church in Detroit. The usual suspects were denouncing Nancy Pelosi , saying she didn't get to decide when Conyers would leave Congress that was up to him.
Me thinks they all protest too much.

Posted by: Jen the original at December 05, 2017 11:25 AM (VSya6)

400 Historically... any Democratic Government has about 4 years to prosecute a war before anti war forces really start.



We've now been at War for 16 years... but only because while we have
troops in combat worldwide, the Civilians here don't really feel it.



The US Military is at war... the US populace is not... because our Government does not even talk about war anymore.

Posted by: Don Q. at December 05, 2017 11:19 AM (NgKpN)

-----------------------------------------------------
The length and military/civil distinction is not new (frontier wars, Central American and Caribbean occupations) but the scope is quite different. As the Air Force Association likes to point out, the Air Force has been on a war footing and continuous operations since 1990.

Posted by: RioBravo at December 05, 2017 11:27 AM (5NMZN)

401 The British fully expected to hold Greece and
environs as a tenant state, fully expected India to sit down and shut
up, and expected a reverent Commonwealth from the African states. Some
of that might, could have happened, but there wasn't enough financial or
human capital left among Imperial adherents to do all that. And that
was Churchill's portfolio.

England was essentially a socialist
country and a Soviet ally from the 1920's on. It's one of history's
little mistakes that Churchill even came to power.


Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 05, 2017 11:24 AM (H5rtT)

===========================
Britain was bled out after the First World War. Not as badly as France, but depleted in terms of leadership and manpower. And the idea that it had become a "socialist" country and a Soviet ally from "the 1920's on" is ... ludicrous. Churchill was a pariah not because the UK was "socialist" but because because he opposed the Government of India Act (1935), supported Edward VIII, and the Conservatives held absolute power in Parliament with Prime Ministers Stanley Baldwin and Neville Chamberlain holding the reins.
A Soviet ally? Hell, Chamberlain sold out the Czechs because the alternative would be a Soviet alliance. There were serious discussions in 1939 between France and the UK over whether the Allies should provide military and naval support for the Finns during the Soviet invasion of Finland.
As for Gallipoli, the dithering of the RN and the RA gave the Germans and Turks time to build up their defenses. Yeah, the Brits lost a lot of battleships, but if they should have gone all in. Easy to say now.

Posted by: mrp at December 05, 2017 11:48 AM (Pqytn)

402 249 Nelson was a great and aggressive admiral, but for sheer lunacy and daringet you want to look at Cochrane. Great Britain, where he posed every body off with his victories. Chile where afterm winning the naval side ofor the San Martin's revolution in record time they had a dispute about pay and he pirated one of the Chilean ships carrying pay to troops in Peru.
Then he was the Brazilian admiral in that revolution.

He died of a bladeer stone surgery
Posted by: Kindltot at December 05, 2017 10:41 AM (ZWEKT)

I guess Stephen was back on the laudanum by then, so someone else had to operate..

Posted by: George LeS at December 05, 2017 12:34 PM (+TcCF)

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