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Supreme Court Reverses Lower Courts' Injunctions Against Travel Ban; Stays Any Further Injunctions Until Supreme Court Reviews

They reversed previous injunctions issued by, of course, a Hawaiian judge.

Then someone initiated a new lawsuit and, get this, a Hawaiian judge enjoined the travel ban from taking effect yet again.

This time, the Supreme Court says "No more injunctions from these particular courts until we rule on the law as a whole."


I called these "Resistance" judges lawless. It seems like the Supreme Court has recognized that and stripped them of their power to make further lawless rulings.

The language they use in these orders (knocking down both injunctions) is here. What the Court says, basically, is that if the Court of Appeals for each lower court disagrees with the lower court, fine, the Supreme Court's stay of the injunction terminates automatically (as it would be moot-- the Court of Appeals would have voided the injunction).

But if the Court of Appeals agrees with the lower court and wants to continue the injunction, then the Supreme Court's cancellation of that injunction remains in effect until the Supreme Court decides the case for itself.




Unfortunately, this ruling does not extend to the other parts of the country where more Hawaiian judges (even Hawaiian judges not based in Hawaii) might issue similar "We don't care about previous Supreme Court rulings, we're issuing injunctions anyway" rulings, but one imagines the Supreme Court would now very swiftly issue the same orders in those cases, invalidating the injunctions.

So, for the first time, the full Travel Ban (as currently configured) will actually go into effect.

Posted by: Ace at 05:51 PM




Comments

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1 Mahalo!

Posted by: wooga at December 04, 2017 05:50 PM (Kn4ua)

2 It's about time.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 04, 2017 05:50 PM (QQ+il)

3 When Travel is banned only bands will travel!!!!

or something like that ...

Posted by: Adriane the Music Critic ... at December 04, 2017 05:51 PM (AoK0a)

4 Sounding like a Monty Python skit. Stop this silliness!

Posted by: auscolpyr at December 04, 2017 05:51 PM (pzA2L)

5 this is not who we are...

*spit*

Posted by: IC at December 04, 2017 05:51 PM (a0IVu)

6 Hawaiian judge issues injunction against Greg Brady for taking that Tiki idol.

Posted by: wooga at December 04, 2017 05:51 PM (Kn4ua)

7 Odd, this posting early....

Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2017 05:51 PM (zSVEm)

8 How about a nice Hawaiian punch!

Posted by: BurtTC at December 04, 2017 05:52 PM (9chmE)

9 Still not tired of all this winning.

Posted by: Nate in NOLA at December 04, 2017 05:52 PM (1lgaG)

10 The SCOTUS needs to be impeached!!

Posted by: Jim "Human Penis" Acosta at December 04, 2017 05:52 PM (3BFzK)

11 When a man is shooting holes in your walls, it doesn't make a lot of sense to be busy patching the walls before you DISARM THE MAN.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 04, 2017 05:52 PM (QQ+il)

12 We're not voting our way out of our predicament.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 04, 2017 05:52 PM (olOmu)

13 SCOTUS follows constitution. FDR Rolls over in grave.

Posted by: rhennigantx at December 04, 2017 05:52 PM (BtQd4)

14 There should be a mechanism for revoking statehood.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 04, 2017 05:53 PM (9chmE)

15 Too bad we can't just ignore these idiot judges, and do things right..

Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2017 05:53 PM (zSVEm)

16 Hawaiian judge needs to be impeached and then get going with the 9th Circus.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at December 04, 2017 05:53 PM (3BFzK)

17 Hooray, we can limit who gets into our country again like, I don't know, every other nation in the world.

Posted by: pookysgirl at December 04, 2017 05:53 PM (XKZwp)

18 Too bad we can't just ignore these idiot judges, and do things right..
Posted by: kraken

^^^^
This!

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 04, 2017 05:53 PM (hyuyC)

19 yes, 7 to 2 decision

Posted by: runner, waiting for willow at December 04, 2017 05:54 PM (QC/4S)

20 The Hawaiin Judge : Ham, Pineapple and Disappointment

Posted by: SCOTUS PIZZA and PASTA Menu at December 04, 2017 05:54 PM (4EXjG)

21 Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sonia Sotomayor noted that they would have denied the Justice Department's requests.

Well of course they did.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 04, 2017 05:54 PM (ul9CR)

22 I need a scorecard judge Roy Moore was bad when he resisted but these Mokes (Hawaiian lingo from my time aboard MCAS K-Bay) are righteous warriors.

FFS!

Posted by: StrategicCorporalUSMC at December 04, 2017 05:54 PM (5pTgP)

23 Too bad we can't just ignore these idiot judges, and do things


Those court rulings never stopped me.

Posted by: Barak Obama at December 04, 2017 05:54 PM (3BFzK)

24 If you've been a state for... let's say, less than 100 years, you should have to be subject to renewal every ten years or so. If we think you're too goofy to be one of us, out you go.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 04, 2017 05:54 PM (9chmE)

25 Ya know, Congress can disestablish the 9th Circuit. It's in the Constitution.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 04, 2017 05:54 PM (hyuyC)

26 Hawaiian Kung Fu very weak.

Posted by: Bruce Lee at December 04, 2017 05:54 PM (ifjll)

27 I smell Gelfling!

Posted by: Ruth Bader Ginsburg at December 04, 2017 05:55 PM (QQ+il)

28 How does that saying go?

Oh yeh....::

BOOM goes the dynamite!!!

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 04, 2017 05:55 PM (f9AiR)

29 Can you believe how bizarre all these Hawaiian judges are? It's insane.

Posted by: A Florida Man at December 04, 2017 05:55 PM (2Omzf)

30 21
Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sonia Sotomayor noted that they would have denied the Justice Department's requests.



Well of course they did.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 04, 2017 05:54 PM (ul9CR)
I am shocked. Just shocked.

Posted by: IC at December 04, 2017 05:55 PM (a0IVu)

31 I, for one, already miss our Hawaiian Overlord.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at December 04, 2017 05:56 PM (JyFLk)

32 Ruth Buzzi Corpseburg and the unWise Latina.

/*spit

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 04, 2017 05:56 PM (ul9CR)

33 Plenary power, bitchez

Posted by: PDT is Winning at December 04, 2017 05:56 PM (EzdLW)

34 I don't remember the judiciary being a legislative branch of government.

Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2017 05:56 PM (zSVEm)

35 Congress needs to split up the 9th, not for ideological concerns but because its too damned huge. Its like a full third of the land of the USA, the district is just gigantic.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 04, 2017 05:56 PM (39g3+)

36 I ignored the POTUS when he said "stop, be gentle, and don't cum in my mouth."

Posted by: Reggie Love at December 04, 2017 05:56 PM (3BFzK)

37 SCOTUS is giving the 9th and 4th Circuits a last chance to finally do the right thing. Or get reversed 7 to 2, even more harshly.

One of the issues here is district courts issuing opinions with immediate nationwide application. It's a tricky legal issue, but if the Circuits won't fix it, I think SCOTUS will,

Posted by: Queen Cersei at December 04, 2017 05:56 PM (cAXIk)

38 Hawaiian judge issues injunction against Trey Gowdy for dying his hair the color of Anderson Cooper's.

Posted by: Yor, the Hunter from the Future at December 04, 2017 05:57 PM (Jj+59)

39 >>I smell Gelfling!
Posted by: Ruth Bader Ginsburg at December 04, 2017 05:55 PM (QQ+il)



Always gets me.

Posted by: garrett at December 04, 2017 05:57 PM (4EXjG)

40 "34 I don't remember the judiciary being a legislative branch of government."

Then you've missed the last 80 years of US history.

Started with the famous "Switch in Time that saved Nine" under Roosevelt.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 04, 2017 05:57 PM (k1TUh)

41 Hawaii is more than 10 miles away, so it doesn't count.

Can I have another smoothie enema?

Posted by: BS Guy, blah blah blah at December 04, 2017 05:57 PM (EzdLW)

42 Congress needs to split up the 9th, not for ideological concerns but because its too damned huge.


Yes yes, nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 04, 2017 05:57 PM (QQ+il)

43 I think they are scoring this by simply how much they gum up the works and kill the clock.

Think about it, after about a year, the President is finally allowed to fully implement something nobody ever really questioned a President could do before Trump.

Posted by: Maritime at December 04, 2017 05:57 PM (lKmt3)

44 I just pray so hard that I can see the day when PDT appoints a conservative to replace Ginsburg. It. Will. Be. Glorious.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 04, 2017 05:57 PM (ul9CR)

45 Pray for me my Son is throwing up along with my wife and I even think the dog is sick.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 04, 2017 05:58 PM (dKiJG)

46 Hawaii seems similar to California.... a State for the purposes of mischief..

Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2017 05:58 PM (zSVEm)

47 There should be a mechanism for revoking statehood.


Posted by: BurtTC at December 04, 2017 05:53 PM (9chmE)

Yeah, I'm not really sure why we let those jerks in when their flag has the Union Jack on it despite their short status as a British colony.

Posted by: pookysgirl at December 04, 2017 05:58 PM (XKZwp)

48 I AM the law!

Posted by: Judge Dredd-Head, Choom-Boy's BFF at December 04, 2017 05:59 PM (YinAC)

49 I split the Ninth. It was what Barry and i called our time in the bathroom between the 9th, 91/2th, and 10th hole.

Posted by: Reggie Love at December 04, 2017 05:59 PM (3BFzK)

50 I called these "Resistance" judges lawless.

You were being too generous, Ace.

Posted by: Hands Solo at December 04, 2017 05:59 PM (EzdLW)

51 46 Hawaii seems similar to California.... a State for the purposes of mischief..

Cali can take Hawaii with them when they secede. Twice the winning.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 04, 2017 05:59 PM (ul9CR)

52 Stroke of the pen, law of the land. Bitches.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at December 04, 2017 05:59 PM (398bZ)

53 47
remember when Ace used to tell us stories about MAGUFFINS?


What happened to all the Maguffins?
Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo at December 04, 2017 05:58 PM (KGFG0)



They're all on Thanos' gauntlet.

Posted by: buzzion - guess my sign at December 04, 2017 05:59 PM (z/Ubi)

54 It was 7-2, meaning that Brendan Fraser voted in favor of Trump whereas the Wise Latinx did not.

Posted by: SFGoth at December 04, 2017 05:59 PM (dZ756)

55 SCOTUS to Hawaii: shut your whore mouth Dano.

Posted by: x at December 04, 2017 05:59 PM (nFwvY)

56 Gorsuch seem to having a stabilizing effect on the court. This would have been 5/4 not too long ago

Posted by: Ben Had at December 04, 2017 05:59 PM (ZOlJK)

57 The Choom Gang is running wild just like those boys in the Lord of the Flies.

Posted by: Fritz at December 04, 2017 06:00 PM (RtQsb)

58 Patrick, chicken soup, vitamin C, a strong stomach, a shop vac, and patience ..

Posted by: Adriane the Music Critic ... at December 04, 2017 06:00 PM (AoK0a)

59 Wall off the swamp.

Posted by: George LeS at December 04, 2017 06:00 PM (+TcCF)

60 45
Pray for me my Son is throwing up along with my wife and I even think the dog is sick.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 04, 2017 05:58 PM (dKiJG)
Good heavens, Patrick - stomach flu? Make sure son stays hydrated and get zofran from urgent care if he does not stop throwing up.

Posted by: IC at December 04, 2017 06:00 PM (a0IVu)

61 You know what would be even better than a "big knock it off signal" from the Supremes to these federal judges playing "We Hate Trump" politics instead of doing their actual damn jobs of applying the law?

Impeachments and convictions and removals from the bench.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 04, 2017 06:00 PM (fqUgw)

62 How about those judges lose their positions?

Posted by: G at December 04, 2017 06:00 PM (mDN9D)

63 44 I just pray so hard that I can see the day when PDT appoints a conservative to replace Ginsburg. It. Will. Be. Glorious.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat?
_________

Bless your heart. You just keep on praying.

Posted by: Bob Corker, Lisa Murkowski, Susan Collins, and Miss Lindsey at December 04, 2017 06:00 PM (2Omzf)

64 I wish there was a value- added study on the national worth of California and Hawaii.....

Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2017 06:00 PM (zSVEm)

65 56 Gorsuch seem to having a stabilizing effect on the court. This would have been 5/4 not too long ago

I was just thinking the same.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 04, 2017 06:01 PM (ul9CR)

66
Eh?

Posted by: Ruth Buzzy Ginsburg at December 04, 2017 06:01 PM (id1J9)

67 >>>> staying any further injunctions in CA4, CA9 litigation before SCOTUS can review.
.
.
.This is pretty much the Judicial equivalent of a smack down. Sort of a don't make me come out there........you won't like it if I come out there.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 04, 2017 06:01 PM (+Dllb)

68 Suck it Haole!

Posted by: Judge Hulukkukiaaaiiaa at December 04, 2017 06:02 PM (gbWkA)

69 Another reason to be thankful we have Trump.


The winning, I am not tired of.

Posted by: logprof at December 04, 2017 06:02 PM (GsAUU)

70 ZARDOZ

Posted by: Bored383 at December 04, 2017 06:03 PM (70HTk)

71 Take two gerbils and call me in the morning.....anally.

Posted by: Richard Gere at December 04, 2017 06:03 PM (3BFzK)

72 Why the F can a district judge issue a ruling affecting the entire nation? His/her/its ruling should have force of law in that district only. That's how it works on the circuit courts of appeal level.

Posted by: Neil DeGrasshole Tyson's Chicken at December 04, 2017 06:03 PM (E/CQ5)

73 Smackdown.

Posted by: Monk at December 04, 2017 06:03 PM (g4lFK)

74 69 Another reason to be thankful we have Trump.


The winning, I am not tired of.
Posted by: logprof at December 04, 2017 06:02 PM (GsAUU)

Word... I wonder how much the Dow went up today???

Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2017 06:03 PM (zSVEm)

75 people were commenting about Kagan and her decisions in favor of the Executive branch when it came to Executive power and privilege when this kerfuffle began

Posted by: runner at December 04, 2017 06:03 PM (QC/4S)

76 56 Gorsuch seem to having a stabilizing effect on the court. This would have been 5/4 not too long ago
Posted by: Ben Had at December 04, 2017 05:59 PM (ZOlJK)



If the actual case goes before SCOTUS don't be surprised if that actually ends up being the split.

Posted by: buzzion - guess my sign at December 04, 2017 06:03 PM (z/Ubi)

77 Nice, made my day.

Posted by: dartist at December 04, 2017 06:03 PM (nisXv)

78 Death to Zeon!

Posted by: Archer at December 04, 2017 06:04 PM (gbWkA)

79 Patrick- my family just went through this. Hang in there!

Posted by: Cheri at December 04, 2017 06:04 PM (K0GvG)

80 Let me translate SCOTUS in to Pidgin English.

No more da kine lolo decisions or we gonna beef brah, k den

Posted by: StrategicCorporalUSMC at December 04, 2017 06:04 PM (5pTgP)

81 How long before our Hawaiian Judge Kings put out a ruling that says their new rule supersedes any SCOTUS ruling?

You know they're working on that right now.

Posted by: shibumi at December 04, 2017 06:04 PM (aT+Bx)

82 The best thing about a BOGO on gerbils from PETCO?

They will do anything after two days in transit.

Posted by: Richard Gere at December 04, 2017 06:05 PM (3BFzK)

83 I wonder how much the Dow went up today???
________________

It was up over 300 pts this morning, but gave back some of the gains and ended the day up 58.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 04, 2017 06:05 PM (fqUgw)

84 76 56 Gorsuch seem to having a stabilizing effect on the court. This would have been 5/4 not too long ago
Posted by: Ben Had at December 04, 2017 05:59 PM (ZOlJK)


If the actual case goes before SCOTUS don't be surprised if that actually ends up being the split.
Posted by: buzzion - guess my sign at December 04, 2017 06:03 PM (z/Ubi)



Yeah.

This smells more like protecting their turf and less like principle.


good result regardless though.

Posted by: naturalfake at December 04, 2017 06:05 PM (NyJwR)

85 "Gorsuch seem to having a stabilizing effect on the court. This would have been 5/4 not too long ago"

I expected at least 7 to 2 back in the Spring. Kagan are not doctrinaire crazy. To rule against Trump's travel ban is to invite judicial anarchy, and erode the power of the courts. Go down this road, and in a second term Trump will pound the federal courts into the ground, including by ignoring rulings, and loudly

Posted by: Queen Cersei at December 04, 2017 06:05 PM (cAXIk)

86 elect me Justice of the Peace and I'll strike down the 16th Amendment and the Civil Service Act

Posted by: x at December 04, 2017 06:05 PM (nFwvY)

87 What was the vote?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 04, 2017 06:05 PM (4ErVI)

88 Still, Suck on that Hawaii

Posted by: Skip at December 04, 2017 06:05 PM (aC6Sd)

89 Meli-Kaliki-Maka, Bitchez.

Posted by: Donald Trump's Presidential Forehead Merkin at December 04, 2017 06:06 PM (4EXjG)

90 Just saw a pic of PDT on his way to Utah. He looks incredibly tired. Hope he gets time off over the holidays and rests up.

Posted by: never enough caffeine at December 04, 2017 06:06 PM (N3JsI)

91 We need the children of coler to take over the Supreme Court!!

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein at December 04, 2017 06:06 PM (eFRS+)

92 "Impeachments and convictions and removals from the bench."

You realize that such things are totally under the control of our Glorious and Dedicated Conservatives in the Congress.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 04, 2017 06:07 PM (k1TUh)

93 If I eat a gerbil up my ass, can I still pick up the hairy armpit chicks at the protest by saying I'm a vegan?

Asking for me.

Posted by: vegan at December 04, 2017 06:07 PM (3BFzK)

94 Heh. Ace just retweeted a NYT front page where they say that the GOP tax cuts are going to kill 18,000,000,000 people. That means they're going to kill every person on the planet almost three times over. NYT = Accurate reporting! *snerk*

Posted by: Old Blue at December 04, 2017 06:07 PM (gEvQ8)

95 I can see it now, "A majority of circuit courts have overruled Trump, so..."

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 04, 2017 06:07 PM (NL+DJ)

96 90
Just saw a pic of PDT on his way to Utah. He looks incredibly tired. Hope he gets time off over the holidays and rests up.


Posted by: never enough caffeine at December 04, 2017 06:06 PM (N3JsI)
I do worry about his health..hopefully the FL is making sure he gets what he needs to stay healthy.

Posted by: IC at December 04, 2017 06:07 PM (a0IVu)

97 and yet.... all these Judges who the Supremes just supposedly slapped down?

Are still being paid by me and you....

Posted by: Obi Won Moron at December 04, 2017 06:07 PM (NgKpN)

98 fucking Haoles.

Posted by: Hawaiian Judge at December 04, 2017 06:08 PM (e8nXh)

99 You know who else got his SCOTUS to overturn an obscure Hawaiian judge????

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at December 04, 2017 06:08 PM (3BFzK)

100 94 Heh. Ace just retweeted a NYT front page where they say that the GOP tax cuts are going to kill 18,000,000,000 people. That means they're going to kill every person on the planet almost three times over. NYT = Accurate reporting! *snerk*

Posted by: Old Blue at December 04, 2017 06:07 PM (gEvQ

I saw a headline days ago that said the underclass will lose billions of dollars from the Tax bill.

Wait, those mofos have billions of dollars? Why aren't they paying taxes? They've been holding out on us!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 04, 2017 06:08 PM (4ErVI)

101 I called these "Resistance" judges lawless. It seems like the Supreme Court has recognized that and stripped them of their power to make further lawless rulings.



About time. The problem with being selective about laws, like illegal immigration, is that it begins to seep into other areas. A sense of lawlessness arises. Lawlessness becomes the law. Lawlessness becomes virtue. We have seen this taking hold in people's minds and actions for years now.

We have seen it with states refusing to help ICE, we have seen it with judges, in schools, with police. And it continues to spread, building up speed. Media, which should be gatekeepers for this stuff, and point out the dangers, is instead gung ho-on bringing it about.

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla and Professor Chaos at December 04, 2017 06:09 PM (phyXb)

102 What Supreme Court Judges were in on this decision?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 04, 2017 06:09 PM (5y11N)

103 Its not hard to know how Ruthy and the wise Latina will vote, its sort of in the cards.

Posted by: Skip at December 04, 2017 06:09 PM (aC6Sd)

104 Where I live in Missouri, there is a lack of workers for businesses and industry.... the economy is so much better, already, than it has been over the last 16 years.
Grateful to Trump for economic reasons... and others... but for jobs alone, he's great.

Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2017 06:10 PM (zSVEm)

105 So will Hawaii rule against this injunction ban?

Pele needs a few 'donations' it seems.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 04, 2017 06:10 PM (HpeUK)

106 94 Heh. Ace just retweeted a NYT front page where they say that the GOP tax cuts are going to kill 18,000,000,000 people. That means they're going to kill every person on the planet almost three times over. NYT = Accurate reporting! *snerk*
Posted by: Old Blue at December 04, 2017 06:07 PM (gEvQ



The Babylon Bee is a satire site. But they do get the liberal freakout down right.

Posted by: buzzion - guess my sign at December 04, 2017 06:10 PM (z/Ubi)

107

NGU, all except Gisnburg and Sotomayor

Posted by: runner at December 04, 2017 06:10 PM (QC/4S)

108 Hawaiian Judge has inflated sense of self for all the toke being blown up his ass.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 04, 2017 06:11 PM (ZOlJK)

109 Heh. Ace just retweeted a NYT front page where they say that the GOP tax cuts are going to kill 18,000,000,000 people. That means they're going to kill every person on the planet almost three times over. NYT = Accurate reporting! *snerk*

Posted by: Old Blue at December 04, 2017 06:07 PM (gEvQ


Bwhahahaha. Reminds me of recent tweet from Newsweek that said Ivanka plagarized her own speech.

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla and Professor Chaos at December 04, 2017 06:11 PM (phyXb)

110 97 and yet.... all these Judges who the Supremes just supposedly slapped down?

Are still being paid by me and you....
__________________

Which is why their asses need to be impeached. Just because they have lifetime appointments, it shouldn't mean that they can ignore the law and do whatever the f*ck they please from the bench. Enough of this shit. Congress needs to take action against these a-holes and make it clear that these jobs-for-life are only that if you actually DO the damn job. Taxpayers shouldn't have to be paying for these idiot judges using the federal bench to as their own personal political platforms.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 04, 2017 06:12 PM (fqUgw)

111 90
Just saw a pic of PDT on his way to Utah. He looks incredibly tired. Hope he gets time off over the holidays and rests up.
Posted by: never enough caffeine at December 04, 2017 06:06 PM (N3JsI)

Unlike Barry.... who grifted his way through 8 years, and never missed a good nights sleep... or a Tee Time...

Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2017 06:12 PM (zSVEm)

112 >>>Posted by: BS Guy, blah blah blah at December 04, 2017

I am sorry but all stalker positions are filled at this time. However I will keep your resume on file and notify you if there are any stalker openings in the future.

::: shitcan:::

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Ho Ho Hoing to the Holidays at December 04, 2017 06:12 PM (/1jBG)

113 The Babylon Bee is a satire site. But they do get the liberal freakout down right.
Posted by: buzzion - guess my sign at December 04, 2017 06:10 PM (z/Ubi)


Ace just got duped by the Babylon Bee? Oh, the shame.

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla and Professor Chaos at December 04, 2017 06:12 PM (phyXb)

114 Funniest Hawaii joke I ever heard:

The official Hawaiian greeting to visitors - Heeni holai hana hoohah

(English translation - Go back to the mainland, eat shit and die, haoli scum. But leave your money.)

Posted by: The Oort Cloud - Source of all SMODs at December 04, 2017 06:13 PM (Or7KF)

115 51 46 Hawaii seems similar to California.... a State for the purposes of mischief..

Cali can take Hawaii with them when they secede. Twice the winning.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 04, 2017 05:59 PM (ul9CR)

And Oregon, and Washington State. Must be the Pacific Ocean. Mess you up!

Posted by: josephistan at December 04, 2017 06:13 PM (ANIFC)

116 What's that? Hawaiian noises? Bangin' on the bongo like a chimpanzee.

Posted by: Dire Straits, indeed at December 04, 2017 06:13 PM (IY5vW)

117 NGU, all except Gisnburg and Sotomayor
Posted by: runner at December 04, 2017 06:10 PM (QC/4S)

So it was a 7-2 decision? And what the fuck did the old bag and the wise latino say?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 04, 2017 06:13 PM (5y11N)

118 Ace just retweeted a NYT front page where they say that the GOP tax cuts are going to kill 18,000,000,000 people.

That's from the Babylon Bee, its a satire site.

A very funny one, but satire. Not actual NYT

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 04, 2017 06:13 PM (39g3+)

119 >>>>The Babylon Bee is a satire site. But they do get the liberal freakout down right.

Posted by: buzzion - guess my sign at December 04, 2017 06:10 PM (z/Ubi)





Ace just got duped by the Babylon Bee? Oh, the shame.
.
.
.Well there goes his shelf installing career.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 04, 2017 06:13 PM (+Dllb)

120 >> GOP tax cuts are going to kill 18,000,000,000 people.


That's impressive, but...

Nobody's catching Planned Parenthood.

Posted by: garrett at December 04, 2017 06:13 PM (ZaGom)

121 It was a one pager. Sonia and Ginsburg just didn't go along, for the record

Posted by: Queen Cersei at December 04, 2017 06:14 PM (cAXIk)

122 102 What Supreme Court Judges were in on this decision?
__________________

It was 7-2 in Trump's favor, with Ruthie Ginsburg and Wise Latina Sotomayor being the 2 who voted against.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 04, 2017 06:14 PM (fqUgw)

123 Ace just got duped by the Babylon Bee?

no he just thought it was funny

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 04, 2017 06:14 PM (39g3+)

124 So it was a 7-2 decision? And what the fuck did the old bag and the wise latino say?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 04, 2017 06:13 PM (5y11N)

From what I'm seeing, they said nothing. Didn't write anything about it just voted for the retards.

Probably because there's no legal justification for any of this crap.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 04, 2017 06:15 PM (4ErVI)

125 That's from the Babylon Bee, its a satire site.

A very funny one, but satire. Not actual NYT

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 04, 2017 06:13 PM (39g3+)

OK, but it would be a hilarious NYT headline. That way I could point and laugh and laugh and laugh

Posted by: Old Blue at December 04, 2017 06:15 PM (gEvQ8)

126 I'm guessing ace is aware that they are a satire site.

Posted by: buzzion - guess my sign at December 04, 2017 06:15 PM (z/Ubi)

127 Queen Cersei, you and I wish (about ignoring illegitimate court rulings).


Sorry, but Gabe has always seemed utterly in the thrall of the guild's mindset, which is unable to lift its gaze or thinking one micron above whatever appears to be the status quo, to actually apply constitutional reasoning or logic to this topic. So "knock it off" is a dumb, wildly inadequate take on what is a systemic crisis.


The district judge in MA who dismissed one of the first-round travel policy lawsuits said it all. Executive was within its authority with the ban. Courts have nothing further to say about it.


Everything - everything, including SCOTUS's action posted about here - merely stipulates, continues, and implicitly endorses completely illegitimate court usurpation of clear executive authority, as delegated by Congress.


But everybody continue to celebrate SCOTUS saying "we're good with usurping executive authority on national security matters, without a trace of authority to do so, but that's for us, when we get to it".


Posted by: rhomboid at December 04, 2017 06:15 PM (QDnY+)

128 Because it's 7 to 2, it's sending a message.

Stop being assholes, or you'll get a smackdown.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 04, 2017 06:15 PM (cAXIk)

129 So Other than the Old Yid and The wise Latino, even the other left wing judges got sick of lower court judges acting like kings.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 04, 2017 06:16 PM (5y11N)

130 ace has been doing babylon bee stuff for a while now.

It's as good as the Onion used to be.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 04, 2017 06:16 PM (k1TUh)

131 BabylonBee is an excellent website... highly recommend.

Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2017 06:16 PM (zSVEm)

132 Now let's get to the religious freedom case for the Colorado wedding cake baker, please.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at December 04, 2017 06:17 PM (U6f54)

133 Hawaiian judge just issued a ban on all Hawaiian judges issuing bans on Hawaiian judges issuing bans on Hawaiian judges.

Dead fat Hawaiian guy with a ukulele says it's somewhere over the rainbow.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 04, 2017 06:17 PM (nUkMr)

134 118 Ace just retweeted a NYT front page where they say that the GOP tax cuts are going to kill 18,000,000,000 people.

That's from the Babylon Bee, its a satire site.

A very funny one, but satire. Not actual NYT
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 04, 2017 06:13 PM (39g3+)

Not too far off from what libs are saying. I saw one headline on FB that the tax plan is literally exactly like what led to the Great Depression.

Posted by: josephistan at December 04, 2017 06:17 PM (ANIFC)

135 How's my ass taste 9th Circuit?

Posted by: PDT at December 04, 2017 06:18 PM (r9UYA)

136 132
Now let's get to the religious freedom case for the Colorado wedding cake baker, please.





Posted by: Les Kinetic at December 04, 2017 06:17 PM (U6f54)
Isn't that this week or has it been postponed?

Posted by: IC at December 04, 2017 06:18 PM (a0IVu)

137 132 Now let's get to the religious freedom case for the Colorado wedding cake baker, please.
________________

Oral arguments in that one tomorrow.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 04, 2017 06:18 PM (fqUgw)

138 Ewoks don't know shelving but they do know satire

Posted by: Skip at December 04, 2017 06:19 PM (aC6Sd)

139 116 What's that? Hawaiian noises? Bangin' on the bongo like a chimpanzee.
Posted by: Dire Straits, indeed at December 04, 2017 06:13 PM (IY5vW)

--Good gravy, I had forgotten that lyric.

So glad I did not have any food or drink in my mouth.

Posted by: logprof at December 04, 2017 06:19 PM (GsAUU)

140 Oh, okay. I'm not on Twitter & did not know that he was doing that kind of stuff. And since our news sites make major errors as SOP now, it was easy to believe the initial post.

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla and Professor Chaos at December 04, 2017 06:19 PM (phyXb)

141 "But everybody continue to celebrate SCOTUS saying "we're good with usurping executive authority on national security matters, without a trace of authority to do so, but that's for us, when we get to it"."

Yeah, President Jefferson let Marbury vs Madison slide without a fight, and it's been all downhill since then.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 04, 2017 06:19 PM (k1TUh)

142 116 What's that? Hawaiian noises? Bangin' on the bongo like a chimpanzee.

Posted by: Dire Straits, indeed at December 04, 2017 06:13 PM (IY5vW)


Hah! That was on the radio this morning..Sting has such a sexy voice.

Posted by: IC at December 04, 2017 06:20 PM (a0IVu)

143 Democrat Senator Durbin (we're looking at you Illinois) has tweeted"

"BREAKING: Senate Democrats just tried to get Senate Republicans to adjourn for a few days and take the time to actually read their tax bill.

RT if you agree that reading bills before they're voted on is the least we can do."



Whatever happened to 'We have to pass it to know what's in it'?

Not to mention splitting infinitives!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 04, 2017 06:20 PM (ctuyM)

144 130 ace has been doing babylon bee stuff for a while now.

It's as good as the Onion used to be.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 04, 2017 06:16 PM (k1TUh)

--Scrappleface was also hilarious back in the day.

Posted by: logprof at December 04, 2017 06:20 PM (GsAUU)

145 137 132 Now let's get to the religious freedom case for the Colorado wedding cake baker, please.
________________

Oral arguments in that one tomorrow.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 04, 2017 06:18 PM (fqUgw)

Kennedy was very proud of being the vote that made gay marriage a thing, I don't see him ruling in favor of the bakers

Posted by: josephistan at December 04, 2017 06:21 PM (ANIFC)

146 It was Dire Straits

Posted by: Skip at December 04, 2017 06:21 PM (aC6Sd)

147 I heard somewhere that the NYT has vacated 8 floors in their building. Lets hope they have to empty out 8 more floors and maybe just rent a store front somewhere. Our local Gannett paper moved out of their magnificent building into a much, much smaller building...

Posted by: Colin at December 04, 2017 06:21 PM (N1vTI)

148 Hah! That was on the radio this morning..Sting has such a sexy voice.




Posted by: IC at December 04, 2017

Excuse me?

Posted by: Mark Knopfler at December 04, 2017 06:22 PM (YinAC)

149 146 It was Dire Straits
Posted by: Skip at December 04, 2017 06:21 PM (aC6Sd)

--Sting did sing the "I want my MTV" lines though.

Posted by: logprof at December 04, 2017 06:22 PM (GsAUU)

150 Rhomboid, while I appreciate your issues, we are where we are, and it's not where you want us to be. Objecting to judicial review is so 1804.

The reason Kagan and Breyer are part of the 7 to 2 is that to knock down such a clear exercise of Presidential constitutional authority is to ask for a backlash. Forcing trannies into the military is another.

Judicial review isn't all bad. See Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer, 343 U.S. 579 (1952), where SCOTUS stopped Truman from seizing all the steel mills.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 04, 2017 06:23 PM (cAXIk)

151 Yeah buddy, that's his own hair

Posted by: josephistan at December 04, 2017 06:23 PM (ANIFC)

152 You guys....Dire Straits recorded that with Sting doing a guest appearance in vocals in the 80;s.

Posted by: IC at December 04, 2017 06:23 PM (a0IVu)

153 --Sting did sing the "I want my MTV" lines though.

Posted by: logprof at December 04, 2017

Money for nothing, indeed.

Posted by: Mark Knopfler at December 04, 2017 06:23 PM (YinAC)

154 151 Yeah buddy, that's his own hair
Posted by: josephistan at December 04, 2017 06:23 PM (ANIFC)

--You'll never hear the "little faggot with the earring and the makeup" line on the air ever again.

Posted by: logprof at December 04, 2017 06:24 PM (GsAUU)

155 Sting did sing the "I want my MTV" lines though.

It could be worse. I could be Sting.

Posted by: Ozzy Osborn at December 04, 2017 06:24 PM (EzdLW)

156 Yeah buddy, that's his own hair"

And his own jet airplane...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 04, 2017 06:24 PM (MINbv)

157 --Sting did sing the "I want my MTV" lines though.

Posted by: logprof at December 04, 2017 06:22 PM (GsAUU)



Yes, he did. The bane of every karaoke singer.

Posted by: Dire Straits, indeed at December 04, 2017 06:25 PM (IY5vW)

158 Anybody else thinking that FBI guy Strzok should stay the hell out of Arkansas, and parks, and dark alleys, and ...?

Posted by: random lurker commenter at December 04, 2017 06:25 PM (dab45)

159 You'll never hear the "little faggot with the earring and the makeup" line on the air ever again.

Posted by: logprof at December 04, 2017 06:24 PM (GsAUU)
heh...yup. That is a bloody awesome line though. lol

Posted by: IC at December 04, 2017 06:25 PM (a0IVu)

160 I remember hearing that Sting got in on that song because he was hanging out at the recording studio the day they were cutting the track, and being buds and all they asked him if he wanted to sit on their session, spur of the moment kind of thing.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 04, 2017 06:25 PM (k1TUh)

161 --You'll never hear the "little faggot with the earring and the makeup" line on the air ever again.

Posted by: logprof at December 04, 2017

Love whines!

Posted by: Boy George at December 04, 2017 06:25 PM (YinAC)

162 Very subtle, but the "I want my MTV" lines were to the tune of "Don't Stand So Close to Me"

Posted by: logprof at December 04, 2017 06:25 PM (GsAUU)

163 Can't the President decide on what each court group has jurisdiction over?
Since the 9th Circus has such a backlog, he should create a 10th, transfer to it, all backlogged cases, and relegate /limit the 9th to ruling on dog licenses and such until they all retire.

Posted by: Gunslinger at December 04, 2017 06:25 PM (R2gO3)

164 Anybody else thinking that FBI guy Strzok should stay the hell out of Arkansas, and parks, and dark alleys, and ...?"

He should worry every time he passes Ft Marcy Park..

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 04, 2017 06:25 PM (MINbv)

165 Gumdrop, that's why I've been talking about "lawlessness" here, in its many forms, for several years, as the true and worst crisis facing the country. It didn't start under Obama, of course, but it got much worse. Judicial lawlessness has been creeping, or galloping, by turns, for years and years. Obama added administrative lawlessness (omission, commission, the works).


And as Tom Servo reminds, it's Congress's constitutional duty to oversee the courts.


But the sabotage of the constitutional order stretching back to Marbury v. Madison - making the non-accountable branch not equal but superior to the executive - was just a reckless move that took many years to finally blow up the system.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 04, 2017 06:26 PM (QDnY+)

166 164. He'd be advised to avoid getting mugged.

His name was Seth Rich.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 04, 2017 06:27 PM (fA1SL)

167 164 Anybody else thinking that FBI guy Strzok should stay the hell out of Arkansas, and parks, and dark alleys, and ...?"

He should worry every time he passes Ft Marcy Park..
Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 04, 2017 06:25 PM (MINbv)

Or MacArthur Park. Some idiot left a cake out there in the rain.

Posted by: josephistan at December 04, 2017 06:27 PM (ANIFC)

168 Mele Kalikimaka is the thing to say on a bright Hawaiian Christmas da

Posted by: Der Bingle at December 04, 2017 06:27 PM (IqV8l)

169 Ugh. I had a skeevy guy following me through Target this evening. And no, my Target doesn't have restrooms for trannies and pervs.

He kept "accidentally" bumping into my cart, and grinning and saying, "Scuse me."

I hauled ass (as fast as I could with this cast on my foot) to my car, locked the doors immediately, and left.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 04, 2017 06:27 PM (ZRC8N)

170
Kennedy was very proud of being the vote that made gay marriage a thing, I don't see him ruling in favor of the bakers
Posted by: josephistan at December 04, 2017 06:21 PM (ANIFC)
_______________

Could be, but these justices are good at rationalizing away their logical inconsistencies (Exh. "A" is Roberts' Obamacare opinion). Nothing would surprise me.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 04, 2017 06:27 PM (fqUgw)

171 Okay. Why can't we have an honest discussion about the following?

If a white judge in the south ruled consistently against minorities, you know there would be inquiries.

Now, why is it that in the case of people like Derrick Watson there is no inquiry into his racism?

Why is there no inquiry into his racial motivations as there would be if the judge were not hawaiian or black or hispanic?

Why does this shitstain favor people who want to "fundamentally change" America, who do not even understand it, and are probably not capable of doing so?

It seems obvious to me this asshole is racially motivated and should be called out on those grounds.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 04, 2017 06:27 PM (/qEW2)

172 I'm having a hard time taking the people who thought Venezuela was a vision into the future and how the US should do things now warning us on how bad a tax cut will ruin everything.

Leftist: Venezuela just took over all oil companies for the people and is giving free medical care to the people! We should do that!

Leftist: This tax cut will kill us all!!!!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 04, 2017 06:28 PM (39g3+)

173 Trump's in Utah ?!?

But, but... I thought they liked me.

*staggers over to fainting couch*

Posted by: Eggs McMullin at December 04, 2017 06:28 PM (EzdLW)

174
"Peter Strzok then "reviewed" 50,000 Hillary Clinton State Department emails on Anthony Weiner's computer in record time and cleared them days befor the 2016 election."

Status:

[ ] Slow Reader
[ ] Speed Reader
[X] Poured Bleach on them

Posted by: Malevolent Mueller at December 04, 2017 06:28 PM (03xNs)

175 Judicial Review is like a filibuster. The courts rule on cases. When they "strike down" a law, they are saying that they rule for the defendant in this case, and if you bring a similar case they will rule for them in that one too. The problem is that if, push comes to shove, they still have to hear the case, and there is a physically limited number of cases they can hear.

So in one sense, it's a bluff. You can accept this, or you can call their bluff and continue to arrest other people for the same reason and force them to work though the appellate process. Make them do a real filibuster and not just threaten one.

That's what Lincoln did.

Posted by: Pot at December 04, 2017 06:28 PM (60v4h)

176 Yes Sting did

Posted by: Skip at December 04, 2017 06:29 PM (aC6Sd)

177 169, I hauled ass (as fast as I could with this cast on my foot) to my car, locked the doors immediately, and left.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 04, 2017 06:27 PM (ZRC8N)

eeeksss...how creepy.

Posted by: IC at December 04, 2017 06:29 PM (a0IVu)

178 dammit

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 04, 2017 06:29 PM (60v4h)

179 NGU, all except Gisnburg and Sotomayor
Posted by: runner at December 04, 2017 06:10 PM (QC/4S)

So it was a 7-2 decision? And what the fuck did the old bag and the wise latino say?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 04, 2017 06:13 PM (5y11N)


Ginsburg wanted to know when FDR will finally finish that Judicial Procedure Reform bill.. and I don't know about wise Latina

Posted by: runner at December 04, 2017 06:29 PM (QC/4S)

180 We fought the law and we won.

Posted by: Hawaiian judges at December 04, 2017 06:29 PM (Tyii7)

181 Posted by: Ignoramus at December 04, 2017 06:23 PM (cAXIk)


Thanks for clarifying rhomboid's post. I too have questions about how everything is playing out...but am no legal scholar. So your post helped bring some balance.

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla and Professor Chaos at December 04, 2017 06:29 PM (phyXb)

182 Or MacArthur Park. Some idiot left a cake out there in the rain."

I didn't take it...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 04, 2017 06:30 PM (MINbv)

183 Jane, did you take his picture? That would either scare the hell out of him or give you the upper hand.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 04, 2017 06:30 PM (ZOlJK)

184 The court just ruled 8-1 that Ruth Ginsberg is older than shit and smells like mothballs.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 04, 2017 06:30 PM (4ErVI)

185 g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at December 04, 2017 06:30 PM (KCxzN)

186 I'd bet that Gays v Christian Bakers goes 5 to 4 for the Christian Bakers.

Haven't studied it but it's like Hobby Lobby with a bette facts.

But Kennedy will say that big for-profit companies like Chik Fil A are too impersonal to have this kind of religious freedom

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 04, 2017 06:31 PM (cAXIk)

187 160 I remember hearing that Sting got in on that song because he was hanging out at the recording studio the day they were cutting the track, and being buds and all they asked him if he wanted to sit on their session, spur of the moment kind of thing.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 04, 2017 06:25 PM (k1TUh)

Same thing with Jennifer Holliday singing backup on "I Want to Know What Love Is." She was just in the studio the day Foreigner was recording.

Posted by: josephistan at December 04, 2017 06:31 PM (ANIFC)

188 >>>>That's what Lincoln did.
.
.
.Lincoln also suspended habius corpus and had over 300 journalists jailed and their newspapers shut down indefinitely, not sure Trump could pull that off.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 04, 2017 06:31 PM (+Dllb)

189 >>>Hawaiian judge just issued a ban on all Hawaiian judges issuing bans on Hawaiian judges issuing bans on Hawaiian judges.<<<

youtube.com/watch?v=IS1vBb4AAZQ

Posted by: Fritz at December 04, 2017 06:31 PM (RtQsb)

190
Jane, did you take his picture? That would either scare the hell out of him or give you the upper hand.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 04, 2017 06:30 PM (ZOlJK)


I didn't even think of that. I just wanted to buy my stuff and GTFO.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 04, 2017 06:31 PM (ZRC8N)

191 Democrat Senator Durbin (we're looking at you Illinois) has tweeted"

"BREAKING: Senate Democrats just tried to get Senate Republicans to adjourn for a few days and take the time to actually read their tax bill.

RT if you agree that reading bills before they're voted on is the least we can do."

===


somebody should put out a Tweet: " Dick Durban is a douche, retweet if you agree" and see what happens

Posted by: runner at December 04, 2017 06:32 PM (QC/4S)

192 I was assured in no uncertain terms that I would become tired of winning.

Posted by: phone of kari - certified sidebar at December 04, 2017 06:32 PM (WhJhH)

193 not sure Trump could pull that off.

Probably not, yet, It.Moved.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 04, 2017 06:32 PM (60v4h)

194 Sorry judge, you had a ruling overturned, no pay for you this year. you can however, eat shit.

Posted by: x at December 04, 2017 06:32 PM (nFwvY)

195 So the Hawaiian judge is the Barry supporter and close friend, right?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 04, 2017 06:32 PM (ZRC8N)

196 I'm not sure that there are even 300 papers left in the US.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 04, 2017 06:33 PM (60v4h)

197 Are there any federal prisons in Hawaii? Asking for a fiend.

Posted by: Corrine Brown at December 04, 2017 06:33 PM (398bZ)

198 Ugh. I had a skeevy guy following me through Target this evening. And no, my Target doesn't have restrooms for trannies and pervs.

He kept "accidentally" bumping into my cart, and grinning and saying, "Scuse me."

I hauled ass (as fast as I could with this cast on my foot) to my car, locked the doors immediately, and left.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 04, 2017 06:27 PM (ZRC8N)


That is soooo creepy. Scary movie, not a good ending creepy. Especially with your cast. Just fyi to other people, you can always ask manager to have someone walk you to your car if you are feeling stalked....especially if you have a cast on your foot. And it is dark out.

Somebody told me that once, after I had a close call. And I was like, duh, why didn't I think of that!

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla and Professor Chaos at December 04, 2017 06:34 PM (phyXb)

199 You'll never hear the "little faggot with the earring and the makeup" line on the air ever again.

Posted by: logprof at December 04, 2017 06:24 PM (GsAUU)
heh...yup. That is a bloody awesome line though. lol
Posted by: IC at December 04, 2017 06:25 PM (a0IVu)

Not to be contrarian, but the line is always left in on Sirius, channel 25.

Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2017 06:34 PM (zSVEm)

200 >> I'm not sure that there are even 300 papers left in the US.


What's willow gonna do when we run out?

Posted by: garrett at December 04, 2017 06:34 PM (guSM3)

201 Damn judge needs to eat a BOD.

Posted by: Mele Kalikimaka at December 04, 2017 06:34 PM (Tyii7)

202 Senator Durbin, Please show on the doll the last time you read a bill.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 04, 2017 06:34 PM (ZOlJK)

203 193. Start up the rotors!

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 04, 2017 06:34 PM (fA1SL)

204 Democrat Senator Durbin (we're looking at you Illinois) has tweeted"



"BREAKING: Senate Democrats just tried to get Senate Republicans to
adjourn for a few days and take the time to actually read their tax
bill.



RT if you agree that reading bills before they're voted on is the least we can do."
=======================



Repeal Obamacare since you didn't fight for that principle at the time.

Posted by: grammie winger at December 04, 2017 06:35 PM (lwiT4)

205 What's willow gonna do when we run out?


*wink*

Posted by: Bong at December 04, 2017 06:35 PM (60v4h)

206 Jane, somewhat related to your experience - I was at CVS picking up my daughter;s meds and gave them my phone number and some weirdo behind me overhead and started texting me for a few weeks. I kept ignoring and reporting it as junk mail. It freaked me out.

Posted by: IC at December 04, 2017 06:35 PM (a0IVu)

207 That's what Lincoln did.
.
.
.Lincoln also suspended habius corpus and had over 300 journalists jailed and their newspapers shut down indefinitely, not sure Trump could pull that off.



Definite can't if you don't try.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 04, 2017 06:35 PM (sqaXk)

208 Did willow say how long she's going to be gone? Because I need her.

Posted by: grammie winger at December 04, 2017 06:35 PM (lwiT4)

209 >>Not to be contrarian, but the line is always left in on Sirius, channel 25.

Yea but why listen to 25 when 23 is practically right next door?

Posted by: JackStraw at December 04, 2017 06:35 PM (/tuJf)

210 Ignoramus, they're not "my" issues, they're the country's issues, of course.


And surely you're not thinking I reject all judicial review. Of course not.


But since giving final say to the unaccountable branch is an insane thing, certain to eventually result in what we're seeing, judicial review must have its limits.


Disregarding the law and constitution, vs. enforcing it, delegitimizes a court. Legislating. Usurping the treaty power. That's the limit. It's been crossed earlier, now it's flouted with contempt.


So the endless tea-leaf reading and kremlinogical speculation about Justice This, Justice That, or some made-up "doctrines", while confused for intelligent analysis by the legal guild, are just wheel-spinning that's all besides the point, as the law and the constitution are shredded.


You can pick any problem facing the country, and I can say "there we are, fuhgeddaboutit". Not denying the inertia is yuugge on this one, but does happen to be the most consequential challenge. As Gumdrop (and others) have noted here and long before, it's contagious. Trust me, a lawless court or executive pursuing non-authoritarian, non-racist, non-social engineering freak policies would meet instantaneous and 1,000-megaton resistance. There'd be no "there we are" - not for 10 minutes.


Posted by: rhomboid at December 04, 2017 06:35 PM (QDnY+)

211 My idiot prog SiL just can't help herself.

On the family's Christmas "Survey" and wish list, she wrote:

"For all the strong men to be thrown out, and enlightened peaceful leaders to arise."

Hey, toots. We had Emperor Pajama Boy for eight fucking years, bowing and scraping to other, stronger leaders.

No wonder your poor latest husband is a perpetually depressed, sad, (but rich!) skeletor pajama boy.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 04, 2017 06:36 PM (ZRC8N)

212 I don't buy the newspaper anymore except for a Sunday edition once in a while.

Posted by: dantesed at December 04, 2017 06:36 PM (88xKn)

213 >>>>Ugh. I had a skeevy guy following me through Target this evening. And
no, my Target doesn't have restrooms for trannies and pervs.



He kept "accidentally" bumping into my cart, and grinning and saying, "Scuse me."



I hauled ass (as fast as I could with this cast on my foot) to my car, locked the doors immediately, and left.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 04, 2017 06:27 PM (ZRC8N)





That is soooo creepy. Scary movie, not a good ending creepy.
Especially with your cast. Just fyi to other people, you can always ask
manager to have someone walk you to your car if you are feeling
stalked....especially if you have a cast on your foot. And it is dark
out.



Somebody told me that once, after I had a close call. And I was like, duh, why didn't I think of that!
.
.
.What is your carry gun? I usually carry a Glock 42 .380 but sometimes I carry a Sig.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 04, 2017 06:36 PM (+Dllb)

214 "BREAKING: Senate Democrats just tried to get Senate Republicans to
adjourn for a few days and take the time to actually read their tax
bill.



RT if you agree that reading bills before they're voted on is the least we can do."


OUT: Passing a bill to see what's in it.
IN: Taking time off to read the bill.

Posted by: tu3031 at December 04, 2017 06:36 PM (O5Q3r)

215 207 That's what Lincoln did.
.
.
.Lincoln also suspended habius corpus and had over 300 journalists jailed and their newspapers shut down indefinitely, not sure Trump could pull that off.



Definite can't if you don't try.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 04, 2017 06:35 PM (sqaXk)

He could also do the Andrew Jackson thing....

Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2017 06:36 PM (zSVEm)

216 The left must be stopped from destroying America. It's gone too damn far. At this point we must use any means available. l\Like I said it's gone too damn far.

Posted by: Eromero at December 04, 2017 06:37 PM (zLDYs)

217 Jane, that guy will be on the Target cameras if you want to report him after the fact. I know from experience that HEB doesn't put up with creeps scaring women, who after all are the ones spending the money. Maybe Target is like that too.

Posted by: stace at December 04, 2017 06:37 PM (6HFDU)

218 Every woman should have a hammerless revolver in her purse

Posted by: phone of kari - certified sidebar at December 04, 2017 06:37 PM (WhJhH)

219 Did willow say how long she's going to be gone? Because I need her.
Posted by: grammie winger at December 04, 2017 06:35 PM (lwiT4)

a few weeks

Posted by: runner at December 04, 2017 06:37 PM (QC/4S)

220 Yea but why listen to 25 when 23 is practically right next door?

Posted by: JackStraw at December 04, 2017 06:35 PM (/tuJf)

NO!

You aren't.

Shit...really?

Wow.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 04, 2017 06:37 PM (wYseH)

221 Who is the attorney here? I have a question.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 04, 2017 06:38 PM (Ri/rl)

222 "RT if you agree that reading bills before they're voted on is the least we can do."

While the Pelosi-led House was passing the Obama Energy Bill that died in the Senate, Minority Leader Boehner established for the record that there wasn't a final copy of the bill in the building. (Van Jones was still writing it).

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 04, 2017 06:38 PM (cAXIk)

223 Jane,

Many years ago a roommate showed me how she dealt with this: she raises her voice. Saw it once in a crowd. Loud voice: Why do you have your hand on my purse?
I tried it once when a man behaved as you describe on a commuter train. Lots of seats open but he picked the one next to me. Leg touching, arm touching, etc. I channeled my roommate and said in a carrying voice, Are we having a problem here?

He moved away so fast.

Though I think the camera idea is even better.

Posted by: Wenda (sic) at December 04, 2017 06:38 PM (Kr0FZ)

224 >>He could also do the Andrew Jackson thing....


I'd like you all to meet you 10 newest colleagues.

Posted by: garrett at December 04, 2017 06:38 PM (ZB4Vm)

225 Did willow say how long she's going to be gone? Because I need her.
Posted by: grammie winger at December 04, 2017 06:35 PM (lwiT4)

a few weeks



So this thread will be our purgatory. Ten thousand comments here we come.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 04, 2017 06:39 PM (60v4h)

226 Hey, toots. We had Emperor Pajama Boy for eight fucking years, bowing and scraping to other, stronger leaders.

No wonder your poor latest husband is a perpetually depressed, sad, (but rich!) skeletor pajama boy.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 04, 2017 06:36 PM (ZRC8N)



*boom! - mic drop*

Posted by: Hands Solo at December 04, 2017 06:39 PM (EzdLW)

227 Suck it, Hawaii!

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 04, 2017 06:39 PM (NWiLs)

228 I was just so tired (and foot was killing me) I just wanted to get the hell out and get in my car.

Sadly, he was wearing a military-type tshirt (but believe me, he looked like he'd never served).

Maybe he was "special" or something.

Ugh.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 04, 2017 06:39 PM (ZRC8N)

229 I hauled ass (as fast as I could with this cast on my foot) to my car, locked the doors immediately, and left.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 04, 2017 06:27 PM (ZRC8N)

That's scary. If I'm frightened of someone bothering me in a store I ask for a male employee to walk me to my car.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 04, 2017 06:39 PM (Ri/rl)

230 "At this point we must use any means available. "

Why not, they have been doing that for 200 years or more...

Posted by: navybrat at December 04, 2017 06:39 PM (w7KSn)

231 >NO!

>You aren't.

>Shit...really?

>Wow.


Mind blown, eh?

Posted by: JackStraw at December 04, 2017 06:39 PM (/tuJf)

232 a few weeks

Posted by: runner at December 04, 2017 06:37 PM (QC/4S)
======================

Oh just great willow! Now how am I supposed to learn how to spin a dreidel?

Posted by: grammie winger at December 04, 2017 06:39 PM (lwiT4)

233 225 Did willow say how long she's going to be gone? Because I need her.
Posted by: grammie winger at December 04, 2017 06:35 PM (lwiT4)

a few weeks


So this thread will be our purgatory. Ten thousand comments here we come.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 04, 2017 06:39 PM (60v4h)

Awww, what's up with willow???.. she's one of my favorites...

Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2017 06:40 PM (zSVEm)

234 This guy Strotz appears to be the epicenter of the deep state. This alone should negate mueller and his witch hunt

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 04, 2017 06:40 PM (5y11N)

235 They need to pass this tax cut fast.

The Mueller drop on Flynn was no accident imo.

They are going to pull out all the stops to try and peel off a Senator or two.

Posted by: Maritime at December 04, 2017 06:40 PM (lKmt3)

236 Mind blown, eh?

Posted by: JackStraw at December 04, 2017 06:39 PM (/tuJf)

Completely.

Next you'll tell me you are a Mets fan and the disillusionment will be complete.

But that's just silly, because there are no Mets fans.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 04, 2017 06:41 PM (wYseH)

237 Impeach these Hawaiian judges immediately

Posted by: Iblis at December 04, 2017 06:41 PM (kuPZw)

238 Yea but why listen to 25 when 23 is practically right next door?
============================


I wasn't aware there were channels other than 6, 7 and 18.

Posted by: grammie winger at December 04, 2017 06:41 PM (lwiT4)

239 >>But that's just silly, because there are no Mets fans.

We walk amongst you.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 04, 2017 06:42 PM (/tuJf)

240 And the "contagiousness" works within the system, too.


Like lower courts over-ruling SCOTUS, as the 4th has done on Heller.


With impunity.



Posted by: rhomboid at December 04, 2017 06:42 PM (QDnY+)

241 What's on 18?

Posted by: dantesed at December 04, 2017 06:42 PM (88xKn)

242 Rhomboid, think of the problem this way - our system is set up so any two branches can usually nullify the 3rd branch if they support each other. The President has the power to stand up to Congress if he knows that the SCOTUS will have his back - BUT if he doesn't have heavy, overwhelming support in the Congress, the Executive doesn't dare antagonize the SCOTUS, because SCOTUS and Congress acting together can easily destroy any administration.

Trump has far too many enemies in this Congress for him to even think about trying to play games with the SCOTUS. His only chance for any success in the short term, and in the face of all of this "resistance", is to keep at least 5 of the justices strongly sympathetic to his goals.

And for all of this crap about the SCOTUS not being a political branch - oh hell, that's just a story for little children, to help them sleep at night.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 04, 2017 06:42 PM (k1TUh)

243 He kept "accidentally" bumping into my cart, and grinning and saying, "Scuse me."

Well, Matt Lauer is out of a job, so he has to spend the day somewhere.

Posted by: Captain Oblivious at December 04, 2017 06:43 PM (Astxw)

244 We walk amongst you.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 04, 2017 06:42 PM (/tuJf)
========================

Under our feet, you mean? Like gum?

Posted by: grammie winger at December 04, 2017 06:43 PM (lwiT4)

245 I always thought the easiest way to pay back the HI Judges was an executive order forcing all incoming migration to the state of Hawaii. Every last one...

Posted by: DB Coooper at December 04, 2017 06:43 PM (vakyQ)

246 I wasn't aware there were channels other than 6, 7 and 18.
Posted by: grammie winger at December 04, 2017 06:41 PM (lwiT4)

Are those the sports channels?

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 04, 2017 06:43 PM (Ri/rl)

247 224 >>He could also do the Andrew Jackson thing....


I'd like you all to meet you 10 newest colleagues.

Posted by: garrett at December 04, 2017 06:38 PM (ZB4Vm)

I'll take the job.

Of course, I'm showing up in jeans and a sweatshirt with no shave for three or four days.

"Hey Sweets how's it going?"

*tosses case of beer on the desk*

"We got a fridge around here? Might need one. Hey, you're not saying anything? You feeling ok? You seem pretty old. I'm not going to have to hold a mirror under your nose or anything, am I?"

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 04, 2017 06:43 PM (4ErVI)

248 MAGA
thank goodness

Posted by: concrete girl at December 04, 2017 06:43 PM (kCbAY)

249 Yea but why listen to 25 when 23 is practically right next door?
Posted by: JackStraw at December 04, 2017 06:35 PM (/tuJf)
---
because 21 is right next door to 23 AND 25, and plays better music than either of them.

#Duh

Posted by: at December 04, 2017 06:43 PM (P0DGT)

250 238 Yea but why listen to 25 when 23 is practically right next door?
============================


I wasn't aware there were channels other than 6, 7 and 18.
Posted by: grammie winger at December 04, 2017 06:41 PM (lwiT4)

6,7, and 8, plus 25 and 26, maybe a little 33.
27 would be good, except it has an Earl Bailey infestation, which ruins it...

Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2017 06:43 PM (zSVEm)

251 Under our feet, you mean? Like gum?


C.H.U.D.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 04, 2017 06:44 PM (60v4h)

252 My favorite Sirius Channels are 25, 26, 27. 26 and 27 generally being a little bit older stuff - I will always love the 70's rockers.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 04, 2017 06:44 PM (k1TUh)

253 241. No. What's on second.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 04, 2017 06:44 PM (fA1SL)

254 Rhomboid,

Are you an attorney? I have a lawyer question.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 04, 2017 06:44 PM (Ri/rl)

255 Heh. Upchuck Todd sez removing the anti-Trump FBI agent is going into "thought police territory."

And no one should know more about "thought police" than a progressive.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 04, 2017 06:44 PM (ZRC8N)

256 a few weeks

Posted by: runner at December 04, 2017 06:37 PM (QC/4S)
======================

Oh just great willow! Now how am I supposed to learn how to spin a dreidel?
Posted by: grammie winger at December 04, 2017 06:39 PM (lwiT4)

I know , I know !!

how can she do this to us ??

Posted by: runner at December 04, 2017 06:44 PM (QC/4S)

257 Judicial review is complicated.

Were it not for it, Christian Bakers lose. Bake the cake, or go home.

Another complication is Congress writing stupid laws that only invite judicial involvement because Congress purposefully left key parts to the Courts.

But on the other hand, the Courts use Chevron deference to abdicate to the regulatory agencies.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 04, 2017 06:44 PM (cAXIk)

258 What's on 18?

Posted by: dantesed at December 04, 2017 06:42 PM (88xKn)
=====================

It's the Beatles channel. I particularly like it when Peter Asher (of Peter and Gordon) hosts. He has inside info since his sister Jane Asher was Paul's luv for years.

Posted by: grammie winger at December 04, 2017 06:44 PM (lwiT4)

259 Jane, somewhat related to your experience - I was at CVS picking up my daughter;s meds and gave them my phone number and some weirdo behind me overhead and started texting me for a few weeks. I kept ignoring and reporting it as junk mail. It freaked me out.
Posted by: IC at December 04, 2017 06:35 PM (a0IVu)


Always write it down in those situations....with people around." When I'm asked for any personal info, I say "For security persons, I'll write it down for you". It feels a bit stupid, but I had a friend who was raped b/c someone overheard her give out her personal info. And was able to find everything out about her, including where she lived.

Anyway, I changed a lot of my habits after that, even if I do feel stupid. Better than being raped. And it ruined her life. It was a very brutal crime.

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla and Professor Chaos at December 04, 2017 06:44 PM (phyXb)

260 Did willow say how long she's going to be gone? Because I need her.

I think the AOSHQ approved answer to this is #TwoWeeks

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 04, 2017 06:45 PM (39g3+)

261 SCOTUS should troll the Hawaiian judges by ordering them to hang the Ten Commandments in their courtrooms.

Posted by: Captain Oblivious at December 04, 2017 06:45 PM (Astxw)

262 What's on 18?

Posted by: dantesed at December 04, 2017 06:42 PM (88xKn)

No...What's on second.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 04, 2017 06:46 PM (wYseH)

263 I know that Rhomboid cannot be a lawyer, because Rhomboid still believes the system can be changed.

Every lawyer knows one thing above all - the System can never be Changed.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 04, 2017 06:46 PM (k1TUh)

264 My favorite Sirius Channels are 25, 26, 27. 26 and
27 generally being a little bit older stuff - I will always love the
70's rockers.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 04, 2017 06:44 PM (k1TUh)
======================

Ya, I like 26 too. Classic vinyl. All we've been playing lately is Christmas music and it's driving me bats.

Posted by: grammie winger at December 04, 2017 06:46 PM (lwiT4)

265 Records show Peter Strzok, who led the investigation of Clintons private email server as the second ranking official in the counterintelligence division, changed ex-director James Comeys draft language describing Clintons behavior as grossly negligent to the less serious extremely careless, a source told the network.

And the fix is in at 21

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 04, 2017 06:47 PM (5y11N)

266 Oh just great willow! Now how am I supposed to learn how to spin a dreidel?
Posted by: grammie winger at December 04, 2017 06:39 PM (lwiT4)

I know , I know !!

how can she do this to us ??
Posted by: runner at December 04, 2017 06:44 PM (QC/4S)


Wait...where is willow going? Vacation? When will she return?

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla and Professor Chaos at December 04, 2017 06:47 PM (phyXb)

267 third base!

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 04, 2017 06:47 PM (60v4h)

268 For me it's 25,26,38,39 and 76.

Posted by: dantesed at December 04, 2017 06:47 PM (88xKn)

269 Stari Decisis Go To Your We Mean It

Posted by: Mallamutt at December 04, 2017 06:47 PM (dpMar)

270 Hawaiian judge just issued a ban on all Hawaiian judges issuing bans on Hawaiian judges issuing bans on Hawaiian judges.
youtube.com/watch?v=IS1vBb4AAZQ
Posted by: Fritz at December 04, 2017 06:31 PM (RtQsb)

Hahah...Love Don Ho!

After the cops come he sings "I would like to thank the Lolo who stole my Pakalolo".....

And of course "Tiny Bubbles".

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 04, 2017 06:47 PM (nUkMr)

271 OMAHA OMAHA!

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 04, 2017 06:47 PM (60v4h)

272 271

OMAHA OMAHA!
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 04, 2017 06:47 PM (60v4h)

That's an odd safe word....

Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2017 06:48 PM (zSVEm)

273 I wasn't aware there were channels other than 6, 7 and 18.

Posted by: grammie winger at December 04, 2017 06:41 PM (lwiT4)



Are those the sports channels?

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 04, 2017 06:43 PM (Ri/rl)
===================

Nah, 60's, 70's and Beatles. The only time I listen to sports on the radio is when I'm in the woods.

Posted by: grammie winger at December 04, 2017 06:48 PM (lwiT4)

274 I looked at the lineup, I listen to 2,8,9,10,33,34. I don't know the numbers just the station name.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 04, 2017 06:48 PM (Ri/rl)

275 Heh. Upchuck Todd sez removing the anti-Trump FBI agent is going into "thought police territory."

Who wants to hold Chuck down while I

oh nevermind, don't want to get banned

Posted by: Hands Solo at December 04, 2017 06:49 PM (EzdLW)

276 Wait...where is willow going? Vacation? When will she return?

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla and Professor Chaos at December 04, 2017 06:47 PM (phyXb)
======================

She said she's taking a break. For a couple months. Everyone knows that is not allowed. It's in the handbook, for gosh sakes.

Posted by: grammie winger at December 04, 2017 06:50 PM (lwiT4)

277 Tom, not really - about Congress, I mean.


You're absolutely right, Trump has an astonishing lack of support in Congress. But part of that is actually due to the fact that Congress is mostly made up of very, very small people. Weak, and timid.


Hard to game a hypothetical without specifics, but on a given issue, Trump could absolutely call a lawless judiciary's bluff, and Congress would pose no material problem. Sputtering and b.s., most from the usual suspects. But if it were a legitimately popular move, I'd not be at all worried. Travel policy fiasco was actually tailor-made for this - obviously a sensible/popular policy, flagrantly usurped by the courts, ignoring the law, not enforcing it.


As I said before, those so inclined can celebrate all they want about the latest SCOTUS action - being practical, I see a handful of judges and plaintiffs with no conceivable "standing" having usurped US admissions policy, including that exclusively related to national security, with impunity, for nearly a year. Recall the "ban" was actually a temporary review. Seeing this glass as 95% full is pretty silly and superficial.


Posted by: rhomboid at December 04, 2017 06:50 PM (QDnY+)

278 274
I looked at the lineup, I listen to 2,8,9,10,33,34. I don't know the numbers just the station name.
Posted by: CaliGirl at December 04, 2017 06:48 PM (Ri/rl)

Kids... sheesh...

Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2017 06:50 PM (zSVEm)

279 OK my only creepy story. 17 year old gangly teen, heading to college. I was alone in Chicago's huge train station, waiting for the train to Kalamazoo (yes, its a real place. So is Walla Walla Washington which I've lived in). For some reason Amtrak went to Kazoo and not Grand Rapids, where I needed to be ultimately, but it had a shuttle.

So I have a 3 hour layover and I got tired of dumping quarters into the Star Trek video game. So I'm wandering around exploring. I looked outside and apparently the train station is in the worst conceivable ghetto part of the city and I rapidly got back inside.

Then some dude was following me. Like a bad detective, but he didn't care if I knew. Following me everywhere, getting a little closer. I had a roll of cash in my wallet because I needed it to travel and eat, so I was worried, and at that time I weighed like 120 pounds soaking wet. About 6' tall, just skinny as Manute Bol. I was 2000 miles from home on my own and had no idea what this guy had in mind. After a while I got tired of him and ducked into some tchochkie store and found people to be around and he left me alone.

No idea what his plan was, what he wanted. He could have been just friendly but I felt really uncomfortable and nervous anyway. And very alone and vulnerable.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 04, 2017 06:50 PM (39g3+)

280 Nood

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 04, 2017 06:50 PM (fA1SL)

281 Wait, Willow's gone?
Why?

Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at December 04, 2017 06:51 PM (hMwEB)

282 CaliGirl, what's your question

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 04, 2017 06:51 PM (cAXIk)

283 276 Wait...where is willow going? Vacation? When will she return?

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla and Professor Chaos at December 04, 2017 06:47 PM (phyXb)
======================

She said she's taking a break. For a couple months. Everyone knows that is not allowed. It's in the handbook, for gosh sakes.
Posted by: grammie winger at December 04, 2017 06:50 PM (lwiT4)

Well, at least it was only the County Lockup...

Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2017 06:51 PM (zSVEm)

284 Sometimes I like to put on that yacht channel or boat channel or whatever it is. Nice for drinking mojitos in the sand.

Posted by: grammie winger at December 04, 2017 06:51 PM (lwiT4)

285 254 Rhomboid,

Are you an attorney? I have a lawyer question.
Posted by: CaliGirl at December 04, 2017 06:44 PM (Ri/rl)

Yes, we should all be knelt down beside a ditch and shot in the head.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 04, 2017 06:52 PM (NWiLs)

286 CaliGirl, nope, not a lawyer. Only legal issues I have any direct experience with involve crimes against humanity, international humanitarian law, and napoleonic code courts. And some treaty stuff.


Thus - unlikely to touch on your question (I hope!).


Posted by: rhomboid at December 04, 2017 06:52 PM (QDnY+)

287 Man so I haven't been feeling good these last few days and I went to Target to do some shopping. This lady with a foot set kept walking by me and I banged into her cart a couple times and tried to be nice since she's in a cast and all.

Posted by: Guy at Target at December 04, 2017 06:53 PM (i8iLv)

288 They are going to pull out all the stops to try and peel off a Senator or two.


To peel off a Senator you gotta soak them in turpentine for a while. Or GooGone. Then they come right off. Or so I've heard.

Posted by: Hands Solo at December 04, 2017 06:53 PM (EzdLW)

289 Oh just great willow! Now how am I supposed to learn how to spin a dreidel?
Posted by: grammie winger


If JJ, NGU, or CBD can't teach you.....

Posted by: rickb223 at December 04, 2017 06:54 PM (sqaXk)

290 Every lawyer knows one thing above all - the System can never be Changed.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 04, 2017 06:46 PM (k1TUh)

I would love if one of you lawyers could answer a question for me.

We are going to probably be in a 5 year contract lawsuit. We got the bullshit demand letter. The impetus for the letter instead of talking to us and trying to renegotiate the contract is the guy we have the contract with is 90 and his new crazy girlfriend is 29.
We are going to have to have a meeting with both parties attorneys the man, I want to exclude the girl from the meeting. She's not in the contract, has nothing to do with anything.

Can we exclude her? We are still in the letter writing stage with our attorney and his attorney.

Just as an FYI, in 100 years of farming what is happening to us has never happened in our area.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 04, 2017 06:55 PM (Ri/rl)

291 I just passed my husband's office door--office aka Trump-hating cave--and there was a story of Moore and a young girl. Please tell me it was an old one and the media hasn't dug up yet another one.

Posted by: Wenda (sic) at December 04, 2017 06:55 PM (Kr0FZ)

292 Anyone interested in winning a FN SCAR from Classic can click here https://wn.nr/TdLR79 and I will get some referral credit.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 04, 2017 06:55 PM (60v4h)

293 Wait...where is willow going? Vacation? When will she return?]


vacation from us ....

Posted by: runner at December 04, 2017 06:55 PM (QC/4S)

294
SCOTUS should troll the Hawaiian judges by ordering them to hang the Ten Commandments in their courtrooms.
Posted by: Captain Oblivious


Hawaiians should know how to hang ten.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 04, 2017 06:56 PM (IqV8l)

295 I tried it once when a man behaved as you describe on a commuter train. Lots of seats open but he picked the one next to me. Leg touching, arm touching, etc. I channeled my roommate and said in a carrying voice, Are we having a problem here?




"What the hell are you doing?" said Loudly, also works.

In a store I'd get a male employee to walk me to my car, b/c I'd be afraid of him stalking or getting my plate number.

But in an enclosed space, like your example, "wth" works. Especially b/c other people want to see what the hell the guy is doing too.

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla and Professor Chaos at December 04, 2017 06:56 PM (phyXb)

296 Owen Benjamin has a bit he does on the piano where he has themes that play behind a woman's thoughts and a man's thoughts. The man's one is just goofy but the women's I think has some validity.

Its basically the "something has gone wrong" theme that plays in every soap opera ever. Dunnnnnn

https://youtu.be/7T11UpfyFa8?t=1m36s

And its just being silly but... I think its got an element of truth. Women are like herbavores, constantly on the lookout for danger and trouble. Trying to be ready to react, before the danger happens. See it coming, hear it coming.

Guys don't live like that, we live generally in the moment, responding to what happens. We have the James Bond theme ready on cue: something happens, bam the theme music starts and we act.

For women, its a matter of being prepared, even when there's nothing to prepare for. Its why they can be a bit ridiculous with extensive, conspiratorial theories. He's late coming home... DUNNNN the music starts. What is he doing? Maybe he's with another woman. Maybe they're in the office right now? Why isn't he texting?

She's preparing herself.

A guy has his own problems, guys are thoughtless because: in the moment. Why didn't you remember today was the first month anniversary of our first kiss? Uh, what??a

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 04, 2017 06:57 PM (39g3+)

297 "Can we exclude her? We are still in the letter writing stage with our attorney and his attorney."

I'm not a lawyer, but I play one on TV.

You don't have to meet with anyone, nor do they. If you insist on her not being present, they may not show up.

Then it's lawyer v lawyer.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 04, 2017 06:58 PM (cAXIk)

298 Yes, we should all be knelt down beside a ditch and shot in the head.

No, no don't be ridiculous.

One out of every 10 should do.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 04, 2017 06:59 PM (39g3+)

299 She said she's taking a break. For a couple months. Everyone knows that is not allowed. It's in the handbook, for gosh sakes.
Posted by: grammie winger at December 04, 2017 06:50 PM (lwiT4)

Well, at least it was only the County Lockup...
Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2017 06:51 PM (zSVEm)


Awww, that's a bummer. Maybe it's b/c of the Holidays. But that should be only weeks, not months. Well, as long as she's happy...even if it makes the rest of us unhappy...

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla and Professor Chaos at December 04, 2017 07:02 PM (phyXb)

300 Posted by: Ignoramus at December 04, 2017 06:58 PM (cAXIk)

I want to avoid lawyer vs lawyer. We haven't asked our lawyer about the girl attending meetings yet. She has sent threatening letters to all his children and she has him isolated. The kids are going after her for elder abuse.
I'm waiting for them to get married. He's recently widowed.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 04, 2017 07:03 PM (Ri/rl)

301 Mokes! Brings back memories. Bravo 1/3, 86-88.

Posted by: eastofsuez at December 04, 2017 07:05 PM (oKO0e)

302 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 04, 2017 06:57 PM (39g3+)


I hope you are not responding to our posts on physical safety, or making light of them. They are real concerns and real experiences and news reports back that up.

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla and Professor Chaos at December 04, 2017 07:06 PM (phyXb)

303 You can try to control the rules of engagement, but it may not work. One tack is to have your lawyer imply to the other lawyer that he best represent his real client or he'll get in trouble.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 04, 2017 07:07 PM (cAXIk)

304 Not to be contrarian, but the line is always left in on Sirius, channel 25.
Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2017 06:34 PM (zSVEm)

--Sirius is space, not air.

Posted by: logprof at December 04, 2017 07:08 PM (GsAUU)

305 CaliGirl, i am not a lawyer, but there is something called attorney client privilege, so maybe in your case, and if she is not on the contract, maybe it will be fine to tell her to sod off

Posted by: runner at December 04, 2017 07:08 PM (QC/4S)

306 Can we exclude her? We are still in the letter writing stage with our attorney and his attorney.

Just as an FYI, in 100 years of farming what is happening to us has never happened in our area.
Posted by: CaliGirl at December 04, 2017 06:55 PM (Ri/rl)

I don't know what the contract is for but all things being equal it's unlikely you have a legal basis for excluding her if the opposing party wants her there. Maybe there's something in the contract regarding confidentiality of its terms or existence, which golddigger's presence might violate. Once you start getting to meeting time you could have your lawyer communicate to the other that her presence at any meetings is unacceptable, etc.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 04, 2017 07:10 PM (NWiLs)

307 305 CaliGirl, i am not a lawyer, but there is something called attorney client privilege, so maybe in your case, and if she is not on the contract, maybe it will be fine to tell her to sod off
Posted by: runner at December 04, 2017 07:08 PM (QC/4S)

Ignoramus also thanks.

We have an attorney working on this, we just haven't asked him this question yet. I was just wondering because I know she is controlling or brainwashing him.
I think the phrase old man balls is apropos here if you get my drift.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 04, 2017 07:12 PM (Ri/rl)

308 Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 04, 2017 07:10 PM (NWiLs)

I'm not going to start a war over it. We just really don't like her.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 04, 2017 07:13 PM (Ri/rl)

309 CaliGirl, now that you heard from the real lawer....good luck. sounds like manipulation and brainwashing for sure. Maybe the kids can pull her off of him in time.

Posted by: runner at December 04, 2017 07:14 PM (QC/4S)

310 "it's unlikely you have a legal basis for excluding her if the opposing party wants her there."

If she insists on attending, and dictating terms. while the old guy is drooling, and they're not yet married, his lawyer may have a problem.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 04, 2017 07:14 PM (cAXIk)

311 Under certain circumstances, communications in furtherance of settlement are considered privileged or at least confidential. It's possible that the presence of a third party who is not necessary to the settlement negotiations could jeopardize that status. The existence, extent and conditions will depend on the law in your jurisdiction. Long story short, you need to talk to your lawyer about this.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 04, 2017 07:16 PM (NWiLs)

312 309 CaliGirl, now that you heard from the real lawer....good luck. sounds like manipulation and brainwashing for sure. Maybe the kids can pull her off of him in time.
Posted by: runner at December 04, 2017 07:14 PM (QC/4S)

The granddaughter is an attorney and the granddaughter has sent the gold digger a demand letter. The gold digger is going to be fighting on all fronts.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 04, 2017 07:16 PM (Ri/rl)

313 310 "it's unlikely you have a legal basis for excluding her if the opposing party wants her there."

If she insists on attending, and dictating terms. while the old guy is drooling, and they're not yet married, his lawyer may have a problem.
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 04, 2017 07:14 PM (cAXIk)

If he's legally incompetent and she's calling the shots without having a power of attorney or guardianship then there's definitely a problem. But we don't know that yet.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 04, 2017 07:19 PM (NWiLs)

314 The granddaughter is an attorney and the granddaughter has sent the gold digger a demand letter. The gold digger is going to be fighting on all fronts.
Posted by: CaliGirl at December 04, 2017 07:16 PM (Ri/rl)

If that's the case then you're going to need to fight back. It sounds like she wants to interpose herself in the dispute in the interest of enriching or otherwise benefiting herself.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 04, 2017 07:20 PM (NWiLs)

315 So are you telling me that these little pissant liberal judges have been put in their places by the SC?

Posted by: gobagoo at December 04, 2017 07:21 PM (A/saJ)

316 The granddaughter is an attorney and the granddaughter has sent the gold digger a demand letter. The gold digger is going to be fighting on all fronts.
Posted by: CaliGirl at December 04, 2017 07:16 PM (Ri/rl)

she a live in or anything official ? I think if she has no legal standing, somebody should just go there and kick her out.

Posted by: runner at December 04, 2017 07:21 PM (QC/4S)

317 His lawyer has pressure points. His granddaughter is in a good position to press on them

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 04, 2017 07:23 PM (cAXIk)

318 she a live in or anything official ? I think if she has no legal standing, somebody should just go there and kick her out.
Posted by: runner at December 04, 2017 07:21 PM (QC/4S)

No she doesn't live there, I have no idea what her official title is but I'm betting she's on the payroll.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 04, 2017 07:36 PM (Ri/rl)

319 Hypothetically, if a judge ordered a defendant to be taken out back and shot would it be entertained with the same level of professional deference as the Hawaii judge's actions?

Surely a profession which earns its livelihood debating and documenting how to count angels on the head of a pin would have a contingency plan for such an event.


Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 04, 2017 07:49 PM (IWbvi)

320 If a Hawaiian (or other) judge decides, screw it, I'm ruling in defiance of this ruling, can they be arrested? Or is that simply grounds for immediate impeachment by congress? I certainly think it would be grounds for that.

Toss one of these judges to the curb, and watch the rest immediately fall in line.

Posted by: Dean Wormer at December 04, 2017 07:51 PM (fftfA)

321 So let me get this right: doing it Obama The Rat's way it's a "living Constitution"; do it the other way, it's not. The Constitution is dead? I'm so confused.

Posted by: kevlar kid at December 04, 2017 07:58 PM (ghzHY)

322 "SCOTUS has firmly blocked travel ban injunctions. "

My head hurts.

Posted by: Too Many Negatives at December 04, 2017 09:03 PM (Akol+)

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