Cowbell: US Growth Forecasts on the Rise

A growing economy is a president's best Tweet.

Don’t look now, but U.S. growth forecasts are moving higher. That’s helping to support U.S. stocks.
Projections for U.S. economic growth from two Federal Reserve banks have risen in recent weeks. The Federal Reserve Bank of New York on Friday forecast that gross domestic product will rise 3.8% in the fourth quarter, up from a forecast of 3.2% a week earlier.
A separate measure from the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta forecast 3.4% growth last week. Research firm DataTrek noted that the rival forecasts are outpacing projections from human economists, who on average expect 2.7% growth for the quarter.
Even if the less optimistic Atlanta Fed model is correct, it would be the best quarter for the U.S. economy in more than three years.

Isn't the 3.8% projected growth perilously close to the 4.0% Trump called for, which many said was impossible (because Obama hadn't managed anything close)?

While voters -- including Trump voters -- fault him on his "chaotic"
style, they are pleased with the economy:

But when the subject turned to the economy, opinions of Trump noticeably warmed.
Trump wants to "bring the economy jobs 00 infrastructure, construction," said Katrina Harrell, a 38-year-old black self-employed businesswoman who voted for Hillary Clinton last year. Harrell was extremely critical of almost all other aspects of the administration, but on the economy she gave Trump credit.
"I think those are good moves," she said. "I mean, that's what he knows -- business."
Another Clinton voter, Jacob Eubank, a 35-year-old, white administrator at the University of North Carolina campus in Wilmington, shared a similar view.
"I think he's good just for the stock market," he said.
Michael Leimone, a 41-year-old cook who voted for Trump last year but now finds him disappointing, praised his economic record.
"I think he's turning it in the right direction," he said.
Comments like that exasperate Democratic officials, who say that there's little evidence to back Trump's claim that his election has worked a turnaround in the U.S. economy.

The Economist reports that blue-collar wages are "surging" -- and then gives most of the credit to Barack Obama (natch).

IF THERE was a defining economic problem for America as it recovered from the financial crisis, it was stagnant wages. In the five years following the end of the recession in June 2009 wages and salaries rose by only 8.7%, while prices increased by 9.5%. In 2014 the median worker’s inflation-adjusted earnings, by one measure, were no higher than they were in 2000. It is commonly said that wage stagnation contributed to an economic anxiety in middle America that carried Donald Trump into the White House.
Yet Mr Trump's rise seems to have coincided with a turnaround in fortunes for the middle class. In 2015 median household income, adjusted for inflation, rose by 5.2%; in 2016 it was up by another 3.2%. During those two years, poorer households gained more, on average, than richer ones. The latest development--one that will be of particular interest to Mr Trump--is that blue-collar wages have begun to rocket. In the year to the third quarter, wage and salary growth for the likes of factory workers, builders and drivers easily outstripped that for professionals and managers. In some cases, blue-collar pay growth now exceeds 4% (see chart).

"Coincided." The leftwing Economist then goes on to femsplain that this is just an acceleration of trends that started under Barack Obama that no one ever noticed and that didn't show up in economic data.

Posted by: Ace at 06:26 PM

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1 I am centered.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 20, 2017 06:25 PM (gU6BY)

2
Another "Menu" thread?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 20, 2017 06:26 PM (YUajH)

3 Cake girl for the win.

Posted by: Duke of Righteous WTF? at November 20, 2017 06:26 PM (T71PA)

4 Did those two ever get married?

Posted by: rd at November 20, 2017 06:26 PM (4dz1m)

5 Cakegirl says things are pointing up.

Posted by: Salem DA's office at November 20, 2017 06:26 PM (ABjxW)

6 Oddly I feel embigened.

Posted by: X-ray at November 20, 2017 06:26 PM (VDQek)

7 God dammit I fucking hate Ryan.

Posted by: garrett at November 20, 2017 06:26 PM (jZinP)

8 off witch sock

Posted by: Roy at November 20, 2017 06:26 PM (ABjxW)

9 Yup.

Posted by: Axeman at November 20, 2017 06:27 PM (vDqXW)

10
Yep, first they'll credit obama.

And then the Liars will say, get this, too much economic growth is a bad thing!

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 20, 2017 06:27 PM (YUajH)

11 If she says "let them eat cake" we don't consider that a bad thing.

Posted by: Roy at November 20, 2017 06:27 PM (ABjxW)

12 Personally, I think wages are rising because all of the perverts are "leaving" the workforce. Supply and demand, see?

Posted by: tcn in AK at November 20, 2017 06:27 PM (7UW64)

13 I didn't actually read the comments. I just sort of stared at cake girl for a while ...

Posted by: Carpe Manana at November 20, 2017 06:28 PM (WYkii)

14 Cakegirl says they are real and spectacular.

Posted by: dantesed at November 20, 2017 06:28 PM (88xKn)

15 Moist

Delicious

Cake

Posted by: garrett at November 20, 2017 06:28 PM (jZinP)

16 I saw the cake girl. Open the comments and no cake girl. I am sad.

Posted by: buzzion - guess my sign at November 20, 2017 06:28 PM (z/Ubi)

17 I read a yahoo finance article the other day that spent 3/4 of the article hedging the good news and saying that it really has nothing to do with Trump.

I totally remember them doing that when O was president.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 20, 2017 06:28 PM (wmaTe)

18 But will there be Cake Girl?

Posted by: Walter Freeman at November 20, 2017 06:28 PM (I/iGu)

19
Prediction:

Fake News Liars and Fake Economists will tell us this type of economic growth is a return of a "winners & losers" economy, and a return of a "bubble & bust" economy.

I guarantee it!

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 20, 2017 06:28 PM (YUajH)

20 Obama gave us 8 years of sub-3 growth, just to give his 3%+ growth to Trump!
-- Some lib imaginations.

Posted by: Axeman at November 20, 2017 06:28 PM (vDqXW)

21 >>Yet Mr Trump's rise seems to have coincided with a turnaround in fortunes for the middle class.

Let me guess...this all happened, what's the word? UNEXPECTEDLY????

Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2017 06:28 PM (W+vEI)

22 The cake is a lie!

Posted by: rifraf at November 20, 2017 06:28 PM (RiEBD)

23
And then we'll hear how evil capitalism is.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 20, 2017 06:29 PM (YUajH)

24
My preference is ... (opens envelope) Pizza Girl.

Posted by: Ace Tractor Seat Supply at November 20, 2017 06:29 PM (ajiE5)

25 You fix that right now, Ace.

Posted by: garrett at November 20, 2017 06:29 PM (jZinP)

26 All we have out here in the sticks is Walmart, and their parking lot is always full. Our little town has a population of 11,000, and the assistant manager told us that they are doing over a million dollars a day in sales.
People are breathing again.

Posted by: ALH at November 20, 2017 06:29 PM (myWJh)

27 We always want to think that stronger GDP will support stocks but it often doesn't work that way until later in the cycle. Raising interest rates will be on the table now, and the FED has a bad habit of raising too much once they get started.

FED is running scared right now, so maybe that will help. If inflation goes up past 2%, all bets are off.

Posted by: Meremortal, no prosecutions, no peace! at November 20, 2017 06:29 PM (3myMJ)

28 The economy is 90% mental.

Posted by: rd at November 20, 2017 06:29 PM (4dz1m)

29 It sounds weird but Trumps 'chaotic' style has grown on me. Sure he says off things at times but he is all action and I like that. Enough with the pontificating do-nothing presidents.

Posted by: IC at November 20, 2017 06:29 PM (a0IVu)

30 and we were having such fun with the dick jokes..

Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels at November 20, 2017 06:30 PM (CNHr1)

31
But when the Republican Cucks fail (intentionally) on a tax cuts, I believe the stock market will take a big hit, and layoffs will occur.

Which is exactly what the Swamp Uniparty wants.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 20, 2017 06:30 PM (YUajH)

32 Why can't we get wii fit girl, cake girl, tri corner hat girl, and busty japanese girl breaking through a door all in one post?

Posted by: buzzion - guess my sign at November 20, 2017 06:30 PM (z/Ubi)

33 I also especially like the hookah in the wii fit video.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 20, 2017 06:30 PM (wmaTe)

34 That's a nice tight ass right there.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at November 20, 2017 06:30 PM (NWiLs)

35 A hola hoop without the hoop?

Posted by: George at November 20, 2017 06:30 PM (/Nxcc)

36

But I was just thinking about cake girl blowing my candle.

Posted by: otho at November 20, 2017 06:31 PM (qGuLD)

37 >>Why can't we get wii fit girl, cake girl, tri corner hat girl, and busty japanese girl breaking through a door all in one post?

Because we can't have nice things.

Ace gives us nice things and we go all Old Man balls on them.

Posted by: garrett at November 20, 2017 06:31 PM (jZinP)

38 I don't trust the numbers. I definitely don't trust inflation and unemployment numbers.

Wages are not increasing with the yearly rate of inflation plus the skyrocketing costs of health. Insurance.

Posted by: Monk at November 20, 2017 06:31 PM (g4lFK)

39 Get that punitive corporate tax rate down and all bets are off.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 20, 2017 06:31 PM (oVJmc)

40 She's no Charlie Rose, thank God.

Posted by: geoffb at November 20, 2017 06:31 PM (zOpu5)

41 Hey Cake Girl-
Love is a rose but you better not pick it
Only grows when its on the vine

...I want to see whats never been seen

NOOOOOO

Posted by: Neil Young at November 20, 2017 06:31 PM (LilNs)

42
They're all McJobs. Not the high-paying community organizer and Antifa activist jobs this country so desperately needs.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 20, 2017 06:32 PM (lCrkb)

43 Goldman Sachs predicts an 80 per cent chance that tax reform gets done in early 2018, which would be a further boost.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 20, 2017 06:32 PM (cAXIk)

44 37 >>Why can't we get wii fit girl, cake girl, tri corner hat girl, and busty japanese girl breaking through a door all in one post?

Because we can't have nice things.

Ace gives us nice things and we go all Old Man balls on them.
Posted by: garrett at November 20, 2017 06:31 PM (jZinP)

Some of us can't have nice things because the universe hates our guts for some unknown reason.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at November 20, 2017 06:32 PM (NWiLs)

45 Cake girl married Ryan, if you guys didn't know.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 20, 2017 06:32 PM (wmaTe)

46 Yet Mr Trump's rise seems to have coincided with a turnaround in fortunes for the middle class. In 2015 median household income, adjusted for inflation, rose by 5.2%; in 2016 it was up by another 3.2%.

Ummm...you're not actually giving Trump credit for shit that happened before he was President, are you?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 20, 2017 06:32 PM (gIRsn)

47 Obligatory Krugman quote from just after midnight on November 9:

"It really does now look like President Donald J. Trump, and markets are plunging. When might we expect them to recover? ...

"Still, I guess people want an answer: If the question is when markets will recover, a first-pass answer is never. ...

"So we are very probably looking at a global recession, with no end in sight. I suppose we could get lucky somehow. But on economics, as on everything else, a terrible thing has just happened."

Posted by: Walter Freeman at November 20, 2017 06:32 PM (I/iGu)

48 Anybody else watch that video all the way to the end to see her turn around and kill the guy with the camera?

Posted by: MW at November 20, 2017 06:33 PM (wNx6K)

49 The leftwing Economist then goes on to femsplain that this is just an acceleration of trends that started under Barack Obama that no one ever noticed and that didn't show up in economic data.

If it didn't show up, it's because it was never there to begin with. Because after 8 years, they were desperate for anything.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2017 06:33 PM (5kNms)

50 no more cake girl I see...only butt shaking girl

Posted by: IC at November 20, 2017 06:33 PM (a0IVu)

51 43 Goldman Sachs predicts an 80 per cent chance that tax reform gets done in early 2018, which would be a further boost.
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 20, 2017 06:32 PM (cAXIk)

If GS really wants it to happen, it shall happen.

BUT, I suspect it the tax reform will be narrowly tailored to not hurt people making 7-figure incomes, working in NYC, living in CT, and relying on carried interest for their living.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 20, 2017 06:33 PM (wmaTe)

52 >>>>Projections for U.S. economic growth from two Federal Reserve banks have
risen in recent weeks. The Federal Reserve Bank of New York on Friday
forecast that gross domestic product will rise 3.8% in the fourth
quarter, up from a forecast of 3.2% a week earlier.
.
.
.And obama didn't have a single quarter with growth at 3% or more during 8 full years. I wonder why?

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 20, 2017 06:33 PM (+Dllb)

53 I predict that the MSM will start up with their reporting on whether Trump's numbers meet expectations or not, as they did with W.

They never really tell you whose expert predictions they were measuring against, and why they were worth a damn given how often things are reported as happening "unexpectedly."

Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2017 06:33 PM (W+vEI)

54 AI is in control of the stock market. Goldman Sachs says the market will hit 30k-35k by next year.

When you look at the numbers, it makes zero sense. It's all predicated on future earnings based on 0% Fed interest rates.

Posted by: Monk at November 20, 2017 06:34 PM (g4lFK)

55 Scott Adams may have predicted Trump, but so did I and many others.

I don't agree with his current predictions. He sees no chance for Moore to win. I expect that he will win, because turnout factors will break his way.

Adams also sees big D pick-ups in 2018. An off-year, but again turn-out factors favor the Rs -- Trump has an energized base. I think that 24 D Senate seats being up, vs 10 R seats, ensures an R pick-up of at least five seats, maybe more. Question is how many GOPe quislings does Bannon knock out. The Rs may lose a few seats, but they'll keep the House.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 20, 2017 06:34 PM (cAXIk)

56 Do I have to put my pants back on now that cakegirl is here?

it seems counter intuitive

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at November 20, 2017 06:34 PM (vChNs)

57 Amazing that all these green shoots did not bloom during 8 years of Obama's wonderful policies.

(I worry I may blow the margins with the amount of sarcasm as I hit 'post'.)

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 20, 2017 06:34 PM (JNqRY)

58 And obama didn't have a single quarter with growth at 3% or more during 8 full years. I wonder why?

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 20, 2017 06:33 PM (+Dllb)
---
His secret plan for 3% growth during the Trump years.

Posted by: No True Scotsman at November 20, 2017 06:34 PM (vDqXW)

59 Aaaaahhhhh!! Got the ABC nightly gnus on just in time to hear Charlie Rose's response. He thought he was "pursuing mutual feelings." New definition for cringeworthy.

Posted by: Donald Sterling at November 20, 2017 06:34 PM (14URa)

60 My economic conditions look pretty bad.

Posted by: Charlie Rose at November 20, 2017 06:34 PM (4ErVI)

61 and we were having such fun with the dick jokes..
Posted by: Jewells45can

We can still pull it off in this thread.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2017 06:35 PM (5kNms)

62 And The Economist still has TFG's dick in its mouth. You'd think they'd want to change it up just a little every now and then.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at November 20, 2017 06:35 PM (NWiLs)

63 Oops.

Posted by: Peaches at November 20, 2017 06:35 PM (14URa)

64 It's all that groundwork that Obama laid finally coming to fruition. You're Welcome, Donald.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 20, 2017 06:36 PM (60v4h)

65
Ummm...you're not actually giving Trump credit for shit that happened before he was President, are you?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 20, 2017 06:32 PM (gIRsn)

The economy got better as soon as Trump thought about running for president.
Heh.

Posted by: Meremortal, no prosecutions, no peace! at November 20, 2017 06:36 PM (3myMJ)

66 >>We can still pull it off in this thread.

Phrasing.

Boom!

Posted by: garrett at November 20, 2017 06:36 PM (jZinP)

67 I watched the whole thing - her top never comes off.

Posted by: PSA at November 20, 2017 06:36 PM (wpC7C)

68 Did I do that?!

Posted by: President Urkel at November 20, 2017 06:36 PM (vDqXW)

69 .And obama didn't have a single quarter with growth at 3% or more during 8 full years. I wonder why?
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 20, 2017 06:33 PM (+Dllb)

Nah, he had a fair share of 4's and one 5 for quarterly growth and hit 4% for annual growth 3 of his 8 years.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 20, 2017 06:36 PM (wmaTe)

70
But when the Republican Cucks fail (intentionally) on a tax cuts, I believe the stock market will take a big hit, and layoffs will occur.

Which is exactly what the Swamp Uniparty wants.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 20, 2017 06:30 PM (

Do they all really think there are enough lobbying firms and think tanks for all of them after 2018?

What about all their staff? Where will they go? Next time you call, you might want to ask the schmuck answering the phone?

Posted by: rd at November 20, 2017 06:36 PM (4dz1m)

71 It's not enough to just get your main squeeze a Wii Fit, - you also need to turn the thermostat up to about 95deg F.

Posted by: Fritz at November 20, 2017 06:37 PM (bD2SM)

72 I don't think Trump is chaotic at all.

And it's not like he is playing 5 dimensional chess, and outwitting his adversaries at every turn.

1) He promised tax cuts, to individuals and corporations. It's moving through the House, and now it's up to the Senate.
2) He promised to reduce regulation. He has.
3) He promised to put America first. He has.
4) He promised to control the border. In progress.
5) He just returned from a very successful trip to Asia, including 30 CEO's that went with him to China. He has developed a very good relationship with the Japanese Prime minister, and has outlined a very coherent policy for the Western Pacific. A big investment deal worth over 85 million will be taking place in W. Virginia.

Obama was big on ambiguous statements with no substance.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....outlaw in America at November 20, 2017 06:37 PM (S6Pax)

73 Tech bubble in 2000. Housing bubble in 2008. We are due for a massive correction soon with multiple bubbles out there.

Trump is not smart to tie himself to the economy. But Trump and Ego,

Posted by: Monk at November 20, 2017 06:37 PM (g4lFK)

74
So no guesses on the Mystery Idiotic Quote?

"If a dog does not come to you after looking at you in the face, you need to go home and examine your conscience."

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 20, 2017 06:37 PM (YUajH)

75 Goldman Sachs predicts an 80 per cent chance that tax reform gets done in early 2018, which would be a further boost.
Posted by: Ignoramus

_________

Probably the only reason I think tax cuts have a chance is the donor class wants it, but which Republican Senators that voted against repealing Obamacare will end up voting for the tax cuts?

Murkowski?
McCain?
Collins?

And now there's other "offended" Senators like Corker, Flake, and Johnson to placate.

I'm amazed Wall Street is so sure it's going to happen.

Posted by: Maritime at November 20, 2017 06:37 PM (lKmt3)

76 "Coincided." The leftwing Economist then goes on to femsplain that this is just an acceleration of trends that started under Barack Obama that no one ever noticed and that didn't show up in economic data.

See, that's just the Magic Negro's brilliance in action; he was so far ahead of us mere mortals that only now are we coming to glimpse his brilliance.

Also, his modesty.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 20, 2017 06:37 PM (YqDXo)

77 I'm pretty sure the college kid who said, "I think he's good just for the stock market" thought that was a sick burn and probably is heartbroken his comment was used to imply Trump is doing a good job in any arena.

Posted by: bonhomme at November 20, 2017 06:38 PM (zGsgt)

78 I'm not seeing practical results of economic growth (for hire signs, building, new businesses etc) like I have in the past, yet. I reemember how things seemed to explode under Reagan's 8% growth, that was crazy.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2017 06:38 PM (39g3+)

79 *squirt!*

Posted by: Anthony Weiner at November 20, 2017 06:38 PM (pXQWt)

80 69

W T F ?

What color is your sky?

Posted by: rd at November 20, 2017 06:38 PM (4dz1m)

81 "If a dog does not come to you after looking at you in the face, you need to go home and examine your conscience."

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 20, 2017 06:37 PM (YUajH)
---
Joyce Carol Oats?

Posted by: Axeman at November 20, 2017 06:38 PM (vDqXW)

82
I also especially like the hookah in the wii fit video.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 20, 2017 06:30 PM (wmaTe)

What hookah?

Posted by: X-ray at November 20, 2017 06:38 PM (VDQek)

83 Ace gives us nice things and we go all Old Man balls on them.

Posted by: garrett at November 20, 2017 06:31 PM (jZinP)

Easier to dip in the pudding.

Posted by: I am Grope, Guradian of the Senate at November 20, 2017 06:38 PM (EK6pT)

84 "Nah, he had a fair share of 4's and one 5 for quarterly growth and hit 4% for annual growth 3 of his 8 years. "

A lot of that was coming out of a recession, with zero interest rates, and a trillion each year in deficit spending. Has Obama done it right we would have redlined 8% growth

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 20, 2017 06:39 PM (cAXIk)

85 I've got some growth forecast for you, baby.

Posted by: Charlie Rose at November 20, 2017 06:40 PM (HgMAr)

86 5) that's $85 Billion deal for the Mountain State.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at November 20, 2017 06:40 PM (fA1SL)

87 >>> Adams also sees big D pick-ups in 2018. An off-year, but again turn-out factors favor the Rs -- Trump has an energized base. I think that 24 D Senate seats being up, vs 10 R seats, ensures an R pick-up of at least five seats, maybe more. Question is how many GOPe quislings does Bannon knock out. The Rs may lose a few seats, but they'll keep the House.
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 20, 2017 06:34 PM (cAXIk)

Adams is brilliant at this so he's worth paying heed to. Bannon just needs to do bettter oppo research on R candidates so we don't get Moore problems.

Posted by: LizLem at November 20, 2017 06:40 PM (hvf9s)

88 Trumps economy; even Chuck Norris is impressed.

Posted by: Archer at November 20, 2017 06:40 PM (gbWkA)

89 "See, that's just the Magic Negro's brilliance in action; he was so far ahead of us mere mortals that only now are we coming to glimpse his brilliance."

Ahem. Not ALL of us.

Posted by: Meremortal, no prosecutions, no peace! at November 20, 2017 06:40 PM (3myMJ)

90 Obama was all hat, no cattle

Posted by: ALH at November 20, 2017 06:40 PM (myWJh)

91 If inflation goes up past 2%, all bets are off.

Does that imply that they will start going with real metrics again? Because, Brother, inflation has been running 5 to 10% in my spending.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 20, 2017 06:40 PM (60v4h)

92 I read a yahoo finance article the other day that spent 3/4 of the article hedging the good news and saying that it really has nothing to do with Trump.

I totally remember them doing that when O was president.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 20, 2017 06:28 PM (wmaTe)

========

Was there any good news when O was president? It was blame Dubya during both of his terms.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 20, 2017 06:40 PM (/qEW2)

93 The proof is in the numbers. Barky couldn't rub two treasury bonds together and make .0001 %. Lie to yourself libs while I cash your check.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 20, 2017 06:40 PM (oR+xU)

94
Joyce Carol Oats?

Good guess, but no.

Earlier.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 20, 2017 06:41 PM (YUajH)

95 I'm not seeing practical results of economic growth
(for hire signs, building, new businesses etc) like I have in the past,
yet. I reemember how things seemed to explode under Reagan's 8% growth,
that was crazy.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2017 06:38 PM (39g3+)
Everywhere I go, here in Indiana, the stores all have had "now hiring" signs out since I got here. That was early Oct, so not sure the Christmas thing accounts for it, although maybe it does.

Posted by: Peaches at November 20, 2017 06:41 PM (14URa)

96 I don't think Trump is chaotic at all.

And it's not like he is playing 5 dimensional chess, and outwitting his adversaries at every turn.

1) He promised tax cuts, to individuals and corporations. It's moving through the House, and now it's up to the Senate.
2) He promised to reduce regulation. He has.
3) He promised to put America first. He has.
4) He promised to control the border. In progress.
5) He just returned from a very successful trip to Asia, including 30 CEO's that went with him to China. He has developed a very good relationship with the Japanese Prime minister, and has outlined a very coherent policy for the Western Pacific. A big investment deal worth over 85 million will be taking place in W. Virginia.

Obama was big on ambiguous statements with no substance.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....outlaw in America at November 20, 2017 06:37 PM (S6Pax)
**********************************

They can't believe their ears when they hear him.
They can't believe he did it when he does it.
Therein lies the chaos.

Posted by: Eeoooue what's all this yellow an white crap on the floor? at November 20, 2017 06:41 PM (2DYky)

97 Gosh. Just a couple of days ago, The Beast said PDT spends all his time golfing and on Twitter.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 20, 2017 06:41 PM (PY9jH)

98 All this talk of the economy growing, President Trump large and in charge and Barack and Robert Mugabe being banished to the dust bin of history is giving me a hard on.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 20, 2017 06:41 PM (nUkMr)

99 Obama was all hat, no cattle
Posted by: ALH

When it comes to the economy,
Trump is the King Ranch.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2017 06:42 PM (5kNms)

100 >>>16 I saw the cake girl. Open the comments and no cake girl. I am sad.

with all the talk of harassment i felt weird putting it up there.

besides, wii fit girl.

Posted by: Will Smith in Every Movie from 1996 to 2003 at November 20, 2017 06:42 PM (8rNrN)

101 >>>"If a dog does not come to you after looking at you in the face, you need to go home and examine your conscience."<<<

If a dog pukes on your carpet and then eats it, you need to throw him in the yard to eat some grass.

Posted by: Fritz at November 20, 2017 06:42 PM (bD2SM)

102 72 I don't think Trump is chaotic at all.

And it's not like he is playing 5 dimensional chess, and outwitting his adversaries at every turn.

1) He promised tax cuts, to individuals and corporations. It's moving through the House, and now it's up to the Senate.
2) He promised to reduce regulation. He has.
3) He promised to put America first. He has.
4) He promised to control the border. In progress.
5) He just returned from a very successful trip to Asia, including 30 CEO's that went with him to China. He has developed a very good relationship with the Japanese Prime minister, and has outlined a very coherent policy for the Western Pacific. A big investment deal worth over 85 million will be taking place in W. Virginia.

Obama was big on ambiguous statements with no substance.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....outlaw in America at November 20, 2017 06:37 PM (S6Pax)

He didn't build that.

I did.

Posted by: B. Hussein Obama at November 20, 2017 06:43 PM (YqDXo)

103
If a dog pukes on your carpet and then eats it, you need to throw him in the yard to eat some grass.

And who said that?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 20, 2017 06:43 PM (YUajH)

104 also the wii fit girl has that repetitive sound and the cycling action which is very suggestive of an economy hitting on all cylinders.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2017 06:43 PM (8rNrN)

105 I don't really understand what's so chaotic about President Trump's behavior.

He is doing pretty much what he said he would, and he is taking new information in and acting upon it.

I suppose we have become so used to prevarication by the previous asshats in chief that we cannot quite cope with decisiveness and honesty.

Strange world this has become.

Posted by: tcn in AK at November 20, 2017 06:43 PM (7UW64)

106 >>>>And obama didn't have a single quarter with growth at 3% or more during 8 full years. I wonder why?

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 20, 2017 06:33 PM (+Dllb)

Nah, he had a fair share of 4's and one 5 for quarterly growth and hit 4% for annual growth 3 of his 8 years.

.
.
.No he didn't. He did not have one single year with 3+% growth.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/jl934hk

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 20, 2017 06:43 PM (+Dllb)

107 yeah the local paper tried to act like we've been having a long period of economic growth and activity, and telling people how to find jobs in that kind of setting. "Long" in a president whose average growth rate was under 2?

Unemployment numbers are still pretty bad; the unemployed rate is not shrinking as quickly as I'd like. I think congress is the main problem; they won't work with Trump to move the nation forward.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2017 06:43 PM (39g3+)

108
Adams is brilliant at this so he's worth paying
heed to. Bannon just needs to do bettter oppo research on R candidates
so we don't get Moore problems.

Posted by: LizLem at November 20, 2017 06:40 PM (hvf9s)

Hard to oppo untruths and unknowns.

Posted by: rifraf at November 20, 2017 06:44 PM (RiEBD)

109 >>Gosh. Just a couple of days ago, The Beast said PDT spends all his time golfing and on Twitter.

Heh. Trump can send out one or a few related tweets that will send the MSM into a 24-48 hour tizzy and then they claim *he* spends all his time on twitter.
Nope, he spent a minute or two on twitter and then got down to business.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2017 06:44 PM (W+vEI)

110 Does that imply that they will start going with real metrics again? Because, Brother, inflation has been running 5 to 10% in my spending.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 20, 2017 06:40 PM (60v4h)

No, it does not imply that. I'm talking about 2% as the FED measures it. Which is all that matters when it comes to interest rate changes. They have their method and I don't see them changing it.

Posted by: Meremortal, no prosecutions, no peace! at November 20, 2017 06:44 PM (3myMJ)

111 .And obama didn't have a single quarter with growth at 3% or more during 8 full years. I wonder why?
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 20, 2017 06:33 PM (+Dllb)

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I think he had about 8 quarters > 3%. but never had a year above three.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at November 20, 2017 06:44 PM (vChNs)

112 Was there any good news when O was president? It was blame Dubya during both of his terms.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 20, 2017 06:40 PM (/qEW2)

There was some great news when O was President. It came at 11:50 on January 20, 2017, that the commie bungler would no longer be living in public housing.

Posted by: B. Hussein Obama at November 20, 2017 06:45 PM (YqDXo)

113 Nah, he had a fair share of 4's and one 5 for quarterly growth and hit 4% for annual growth 3 of his 8 years.

Da fuq?

Obama's annual growth never hit 3%.
He hit ~3% quarterly about 8 times.
Source:
https://preview.tinyurl.com/ydcy97v6

Posted by: bonhomme at November 20, 2017 06:45 PM (zGsgt)

114 Mrs. E was helping a fried get a travel trailer registered in NM, where the friend and her husband own a cabin. They were waited on by a rude, insensitive, and downright spiteful employee. To the left, a prosperous country is privileged country. It's that simple. Mrs. E was reading the bulletin board with the agency's mission statement blah blah, including a blurb on identifying threats. One type threat was described as 'second-homers'. This couple are assets to the community, not threats. The left hates prosperous people. Like President Trump and our friends.

Posted by: Eromero at November 20, 2017 06:45 PM (zLDYs)

115 Nah, he had a fair share of 4's and one 5 for quarterly growth and hit 4% for annual growth 3 of his 8 years.

He came close to 3% once... but then the "adjustment" took it down close to 2%. Happened every single quarter; overstated the growth, and then adjusted down.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2017 06:45 PM (39g3+)

116 For those of you who can stay up that late and can stomach Hannity, I would urge you to watch tonight.

Be prepared for a schadenboner.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2017 06:45 PM (/tuJf)

117 sock off

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 20, 2017 06:45 PM (YqDXo)

118 97 Gosh. Just a couple of days ago, The Beast said PDT spends all his time golfing and on Twitter.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 20, 2017 06:41 PM (PY9jH)

Yeah, and the twits on facebook keep telling me how much it costs for the president to go golfing, at his own damned golf course. No mention of the cost of a certain asshat-in-chief's Hawaiian vacations, golf "outings," Martha's Vinyard, etc.

Posted by: tcn in AK at November 20, 2017 06:45 PM (7UW64)

119 There was some great news when O was President. It came at 11:50 on January 20, 2017, that the commie bungler would no longer be living in public housing.
Posted by: B. Hussein Obama

White billionaire throws black family out of public housing.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2017 06:46 PM (5kNms)

120 If a dog pukes on your carpet and then eats it, you need to throw him in the yard to eat some grass.

And who said that?

Nietzsche.

Not Friederich. His overlooked cousin Ulf.

Ulf was really a hoot if you got him in the right mood.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 20, 2017 06:46 PM (gIRsn)

121 It's the economy stupid.

Posted by: steve walsh at November 20, 2017 06:46 PM (Y4Kqh)

122 Was the Cake girl posted new Cake Girl, or classic Cake Girl?

Never heard of Wii Fit girl before. Back in the Dance Dance Revolution golden era, I got to see some masters at the game play it. When done properly it does not look like silly fun gameplay, it really does look like an awesome dance routine.

I miss the DDR and Guitar Hero days, and they weren't that long ago either! Crazy fast fads.

Posted by: LizLem at November 20, 2017 06:46 PM (hvf9s)

123 JackStraw, give us a hint.

Posted by: ALH at November 20, 2017 06:46 PM (myWJh)

124 >>Was there any good news when O was president? It was blame Dubya during both of his terms.

I seem to recall excellent news that was then quietly adjusted downward a month or two later.
This was especially true in mid-to-late 2012, I'm not sure why...

Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2017 06:47 PM (W+vEI)

125 Toonces was a good name for Obama. I mean, see saw him messing around the steering wheel and we just assumed he could drive.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 20, 2017 06:47 PM (60v4h)

126 He came close to 3% once... but then the "adjustment" took it down close to 2%. Happened every single quarter; overstated the growth, and then adjusted down.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2017 06:45 PM (39g3+)

MSM during the Reign of Error: "15% percent growth! Woot!" (In a font usually reserved for declarations of war)

Next day: "Growth unexpectedly adjusted downward to 2%." (In 2 pt. font)

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 20, 2017 06:47 PM (YqDXo)

127 This is just an acceleration of trends that started under Barack Obama that no one ever noticed and that didn't show up in economic data.

And you know something? Only someone of like mind to Obama, such has Hillary could properly understand these trends and exploit them to the full. We could have had 4, 5, 6% growth by now instead of settling for this mediocre degradation of Obama's legacy.

Posted by: The Economist at November 20, 2017 06:47 PM (/qEW2)

128 By year GDP growth.

2009 -2.8%
2010 +2.5%
2011 +1.6%
2012 +2.2%
2013 +1.7%
2014 +2.6%
2015 +2.9%
2016 +1.5%

https://www.thebalance.com/us-gdp-by-year-3305543

Posted by: geoffb at November 20, 2017 06:47 PM (zOpu5)

129 The economy started turning around as soon as business saw Trump had a shot at winning during the primaries. Early investors were hedging, too, to get in on the bottom floor of an ascendancy. Yes, Obama was in office, but it damn sure wasn't Obama's economic policy that was causing reversals. It was the relief that burdensome, bureaucratic, tax-addicted dumbsh*ts were on the outs.

The Economist can stick its green eyeshades where the sun don't shine.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 20, 2017 06:47 PM (H8S+R)

130 Unemployment numbers are still pretty bad; the unemployed rate is not shrinking as quickly as I'd like. I think congress is the main problem; they won't work with Trump to move the nation forward.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2017 06:43 PM (39g3+)

About those unemployment numbers... they're still using the same methodology for figuring them. That is, not counting those that have "dropped out" of the work force.

Still, the optimism is blooming and that is good.

Posted by: Duke of Righteous WTF? at November 20, 2017 06:48 PM (T71PA)

131 Want to drive a Dem crazy?

Attribute the booming economy to W.

Hilarity ensues.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 20, 2017 06:48 PM (YqDXo)

132 dropping atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasake COINCIDED with the Japanese surrender in 1945

Posted by: Janos Hunyadi at November 20, 2017 06:48 PM (Co9e8)

133 There is a political realignment happening.

Exactly where it will end nobody really knows.

But I suspect neither the Democrat or Republican parties will emerge from the realignment anywhere close to the same as when they entered it circa 2000.

We're probably a little late according to the Generations theory and "The Fourth Turning" but SOMETHING seems to be changing significantly in the American voting public. Trump is an indicator . . . so is Sanders.

I'm not sure it's so much "populist" as it is "anti-elitist."

Interesting times, as defined by the probably apocryphal/"fake-news" Chinese curse.

Posted by: filbert at November 20, 2017 06:49 PM (nuTTf)

134 This is just an acceleration of trends that started under Barack Obama that no one ever noticed and that didn't show up in economic data.

The economic boom was hiding. You know, kinda like the heat hiding in the deep ocean, lurking, biding its time ...

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 20, 2017 06:49 PM (YqDXo)

135 I had a Democrat at work tell me today that he was going to vote for Jones until all this crap came up with Moore. Now he says he's voting for Roy because Fuck All Y'all outsiders, he says.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 20, 2017 06:49 PM (60v4h)

136 It's the economy, stupid.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 20, 2017 06:49 PM (dZ756)

137 Well of course all these voters being interviewed, if their lives depended on it, probably couldn't tell you a single important detail or thing behind their favorable views of Trump's policies.

It's long been one of the dumbest - which is saying something - political/presidential myths, that presidents "run" the economy like a manager runs a small store.

A president can hurt the economy (most often the case). A president can *not* damage the economy (generally the best a president can do). But the dots have to be connected, or it's nonsense. Trump of course follows both a "great" recession and years of idiotic policies, so his sound instincts/choices naturally should lead to at least some improvement.

Please, anyone, name a single thing that happened in the 8 years of the affirmative action intern - a single thing - that could reasonably have been good for the economy. Can't recall one. On the negative side of the ledger, of course, we have enormously stupid policies that directly suppressed growth (O-care, what amounted to vandalism against the key energy sector, utter fiscal chaos, clear and bizarre anti-freedom and anti-entrepreneurial atmospherics from the top).

Posted by: rhomboid at November 20, 2017 06:49 PM (QDnY+)

138 Make 50 grand a year. Take off 10-12.5k for a family of 4 insurance. Take off 10k for mortgage. Gas take off 3 grand a year for the family. Federal and state income taxes let's say 5 grand minimum. Property tax 2-3 grand. Food 6 grand a year at 500 a month for family of 4. Car payments and insurance on 2 cars would be 600 a month so 7200 a year. Utility bills 3k for the year. Home and life insurance 2k a year. Doctor bills before your family meets the decuctable 3-4K a year.

In the red and not everything has been accounted for yet. 50 grand for a family of 4 is double the poverty line I believe.

Posted by: Monk at November 20, 2017 06:49 PM (g4lFK)

139 >>Toonces was a good name for Obama.

An early favorite.

But TFG was all the rage back in the day.

Posted by: garrett at November 20, 2017 06:49 PM (jZinP)

140 >>> Want to drive a Dem crazy? Attribute the booming economy to W.

Or the booming Clinton economy to me! It's so funny how so much of what Dems know isn't true.

Posted by: Zombie Reagan at November 20, 2017 06:50 PM (hvf9s)

141 Want to drive a Dem crazy?

Put them in a round room and tell them to stand in the corner?

Wait. That's for a Texas Aggie.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2017 06:50 PM (5kNms)

142 California Assembly Majority Whip Raul Bocanegra announced he plans to step down next year -- after a staffer said he put his hands inside her blouse at a nightclub in 2009 and The Los Angeles Times reportedly presented him with harassment allegations from a total of six women.

Posted by: The Jackhole Somewhere on Ventura Highway at November 20, 2017 06:50 PM (M+Lyo)

143 >>> The economic boom was hiding. You know, kinda like the heat hiding in the deep ocean, lurking, biding its time ... Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 20, 2017 06:49 PM (YqDXo)

Like methane in the wetlands.

Posted by: LizLem at November 20, 2017 06:51 PM (hvf9s)

144 another

Posted by: The Jackhole Somewhere on Ventura Highway at November 20, 2017 06:51 PM (M+Lyo)

145 A Revenue Neutral Tax Cut is No Tax Cut At All.

Posted by: garrett at November 20, 2017 06:51 PM (jZinP)

146 About those unemployment numbers... they're still using the same methodology for figuring them. That is, not counting those that have "dropped out" of the work force.

Yeah Trump made some noises about properly reporting unemployment and inflation in December last year, I hope he does something about that.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2017 06:51 PM (39g3+)

147 Posted by: Will Smith in Every Movie from 1996 to 2003 at November 20, 2017 06:42 PM (8rNrN)

Yeah, but I saw both. Buns and boobs Man, buns and boobs!

Posted by: Old Blue at November 20, 2017 06:51 PM (gEvQ8)

148 Nothing says pursuing shared feelings like appearing nekid in front of an intern or coworker.

Posted by: Concerned Peoples Front, Hypocrite Chapter at November 20, 2017 06:51 PM (2X7pN)

149 Was the Cake girl posted new Cake Girl, or classic Cake Girl?

"Happy Diablo III, Ryan" Cakegirl. Not sure if she is new or classic....

Surprised y'all don't just have that pic saved, BTW.

Posted by: Grey Fox at November 20, 2017 06:52 PM (bZ7mE)

150 Femsplain is a great word. We're keeping it.

Posted by: freaked at November 20, 2017 06:52 PM (UdKB7)

151 But TFG was all the rage back in the day.

Posted by: garrett at November 20, 2017 06:49 PM (jZinP)

I liked the JEF

Posted by: The Jackhole Somewhere on Ventura Highway at November 20, 2017 06:52 PM (M+Lyo)

152 A Revenue Neutral Tax Cut is No Tax Cut At All.
Posted by: garrett at November 20, 2017 06:51 PM (jZinP)

Yup.

Spending cut = good for the economy.
Spending rise = bad for the economy.

Period, end of discussion.

Reality will not be denied.

Posted by: filbert at November 20, 2017 06:52 PM (nuTTf)

153 >>Toonces was a good name for Obama.

An early favorite.

But TFG was all the rage back in the day.

Posted by: garrett at November 20, 2017 06:49 PM (jZinP)

There were so many that I just settled on Toonces Mcfuckstick.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at November 20, 2017 06:52 PM (aMlLZ)

154 55
Adams also sees big D pick-ups in 2018. An off-year, but again turn-out factors favor the Rs -- Trump has an energized base. I think that 24 D Senate seats being up, vs 10 R seats, ensures an R pick-up of at least five seats, maybe more. Question is how many GOPe quislings does Bannon knock out. The Rs may lose a few seats, but they'll keep the House.
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 20, 2017 06:34 PM (cAXIk)

Yeah, but the R's appear to be intentionally trying to lose. The average voter will wonder why he should bother voting for these clowns who are trying to block Trump's agenda every step of the way. I see R turnout down.

Posted by: rickl at November 20, 2017 06:53 PM (sdi6R)

155 All these creeps are dropping like flies due to their sordid pasts.
Soon the only man left standing will be Mike Pence.

Posted by: ALH at November 20, 2017 06:53 PM (myWJh)

156 But TFG was all the rage back in the day.

Posted by: garrett at November 20, 2017 06:49 PM (jZinP)

I liked the JEF

Posted by: The Jackhole Somewhere on Ventura Highway at November 20, 2017 06:52 PM (M+Lyo)

I was partial to Preznit Pantload.

Posted by: Duke of Righteous WTF? at November 20, 2017 06:53 PM (T71PA)

157 91 If inflation goes up past 2%, all bets are off.

Does that imply that they will start going with real metrics again? Because, Brother, inflation has been running 5 to 10% in my spending.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 20, 2017 06:40 PM (60v4h)

Let them eat IPads and Smart Phones!

Posted by: Monk at November 20, 2017 06:53 PM (g4lFK)

158 President Cock Curious was also good.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 20, 2017 06:53 PM (60v4h)

159 It's not Trump who's chaotic, it's the Left. Remember the phrase "become ungovernable"?

Posted by: Hands Solo at November 20, 2017 06:54 PM (EzdLW)

160 Oh Dear Lord! I Love Cake Girl!! And, even though it's understood why they were prohibited, I really miss the thread with the pics of the cheerleaders armed with their damned dangerous, pointy elbows.

Posted by: SteveOReno at November 20, 2017 06:54 PM (2sCft)

161 And dontcha love the "chaotic" thing - WTF? A nice reminder that most of the electorate is still completely misinformed about most things, and certainly almost everything about Trump and his policies.

The press retains its stranglehold (metaphor apt in more than one respect) on the mindset and framework of at least half, maybe more, of the electorate. Even as they have become even more ridiculously unprofessional, wrong, and tendentious.

The Economist is an excellent example. Once (back when it was printed on newsprint, maybe a bit after that) it was a joy to read, cover to cover. Solid coverage of most important topics (it was especially better than the major US dailies on international topics, even though back then those papers had foreign bureaus and some impressive people working for them). Then .....

Posted by: rhomboid at November 20, 2017 06:55 PM (QDnY+)

162 73 Tech bubble in 2000. Housing bubble in 2008. We are due for a massive correction soon with multiple bubbles out there.

Trump is not smart to tie himself to the economy. But Trump and Ego,
Posted by: Monk at November 20, 2017 06:37 PM (g4lFK)

You may be right, but ... first, we never really recovered from the housing bubble in 2008; we more or less limped along, it seems to me. For this reason, the usual cycle - which would imply we're due for a recession - may not apply. There was lots of cash on the sidelines as leery investors and businessmen waited to see what fiasco the Magic Negro would foist on us next.

Second, Trump would inevitably be blamed if there were a recession, so he might as well take credit for the economic boom. I think he actually does deserve credit for it, in part.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 20, 2017 06:55 PM (YqDXo)

163 Is AllahPundit going to admit that, hey, maybe Trump's pro-America slant might be a good thing ?

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 20, 2017 06:55 PM (6FqZa)

164 142. This, plus Charlie Rose, plus Al Franken, plus that Jordan Charriton at TYT, plus a booming economy, plus Saudi mufti saying 'no kill teh joos,' plus ISIS dead and buried...... it's enough to make a feller wanna dance:
https://youtu.be/xMSGnGL8JU0

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at November 20, 2017 06:55 PM (fA1SL)

165 The economic boom was hiding. You know, kinda like the heat hiding in the deep ocean, lurking, biding its time ...
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 20, 2017 06:49 PM (YqDXo)
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I was thinking something similar.

That the green house heat is hiding in the economy, inflating numbers.

Posted by: Axeman at November 20, 2017 06:55 PM (vDqXW)

166 And it's not like he is playing 5 dimensional chess, and outwitting his adversaries at every turn.

1) He promised tax cuts, to individuals and corporations. It's moving through the House, and now it's up to the Senate.
2) He promised to reduce regulation. He has.
3) He promised to put America first. He has.
4) He promised to control the border. In progress.
5) He just returned from a very successful trip to Asia, including 30 CEO's that went with him to China.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....outlaw in America
----
When the campaign was in full swing, I told anyone who would listen that I was going to vote for a person that loved America. That's all I really wanted.

Blessedly, that's what we got.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 20, 2017 06:55 PM (tr2D7)

167 >>JackStraw, give us a hint.

Uranium One. Things are about to get a whole lot more interesting.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2017 06:55 PM (/tuJf)

168
If you think about it, a man exposing himself to another is quite a feminine thing to do.

It's what a woman would/could do to elicit the desired response. A man thinking this would work on a woman/girl is sadly mistaken.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 20, 2017 06:55 PM (YUajH)

169 gives most of the credit to Barack Obama (natch).

If it weren't for that arsonist, how could I ever collect on my insurance?

Posted by: t-bird at November 20, 2017 06:55 PM (7ulel)

170 Now that the purging fire of sexual inappropriateness has reached the heart of the Media (i.e. Charlie Rose) I actually had a hopeful thought that THE MEDIA could, possibly, improbably be taken down a couple of dozen notches and put back into their proper place as gadflies of the culture instead of their assumed role as arbiters of the culture.

Posted by: filbert at November 20, 2017 06:55 PM (nuTTf)

171 We voted yesterday on our pastor's compensation package for next year. We have two ministers, a Senior and an Assistant. The health insurance for those two families is costing us $77k next year.

This seems high to me.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 20, 2017 06:56 PM (60v4h)

172 >>Uranium One. Things are about to get a whole lot more interesting.

Shit Status : Just Got Real?

Posted by: garrett at November 20, 2017 06:56 PM (jZinP)

173 President Gutsy Call

..but that mocks the MSM more than O.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2017 06:56 PM (W+vEI)

174 Is AllahPundit going to admit that, hey, maybe Trump's pro-America slant might be a good thing ?
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 20, 2017 06:55 PM (6FqZa)
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Get real! This is the #MeToo economy boom. It comes from all the removing of predatory males from their perches.

Posted by: Not Allahpundit at November 20, 2017 06:56 PM (vDqXW)

175
Think about it, the guy wants to be "sexy" to a lady, so he acts like a woman and gets all flirty and shows a little skin??

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 20, 2017 06:57 PM (YUajH)

176 Real, adjusted for inflation, GDP for the 8 years of Obama increased a total of 12.2 % or just over 1.5% per year.

Posted by: geoffb at November 20, 2017 06:57 PM (zOpu5)

177 The Economist is an excellent example. Once (back when it was printed on newsprint, maybe a bit after that) it was a joy to read, cover to cover. Solid coverage of most important topics (it was especially better than the major US dailies on international topics, even though back then those papers had foreign bureaus and some impressive people working for them). Then .....

Posted by: rhomboid at November 20, 2017 06:55 PM (QDnY+)

Exactly right. It used to provide superb analysis, and was well worth reading.

Now it reads as though it was pumped by a bunch of Oxford students who got thirds in PPE (philosophy, politics, and economics). Not worth bothering with.

The Economist's take on the election especially infuriated me. They gushed fulsomely about Hillarhoid, and dumped all over Trump. What did Trump know about economic activity, anyway?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 20, 2017 06:57 PM (YqDXo)

178 >>We have two ministers, a Senior and an Assistant. The health insurance for those two families is costing us $77k next year.

Do they all have cancer or something?

Posted by: garrett at November 20, 2017 06:57 PM (jZinP)

179 we never really recovered from the housing bubble in 2008; we more or less limped along, it seems to me.

The reason the "housing bubble" burst was ninja loans, liar loans, credit swaps, etc. There is no way on God's green earth that a 1000 sq ft house, anywhere, should ever be worth a million bucks.

Posted by: Peaches at November 20, 2017 06:57 PM (14URa)

180 Uranium One. Things are about to get a whole lot more interesting.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2017 06:55 PM (/tuJf)

Fist fights or another special prosecutor?

I'm up for either or both

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2017 06:57 PM (5y11N)

181 Second, Trump would inevitably be blamed if there were a recession, so he might as well take credit for the economic boom. I think he actually does deserve credit for it, in part.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 20, 2017 06:55 PM (YqDXo)

I don't think the current boom is directly due to Trump personally, it is the idea of Trump and what he represents that spurred it.

Posted by: Duke of Righteous WTF? at November 20, 2017 06:57 PM (T71PA)

182 116 For those of you who can stay up that late and can stomach Hannity, I would urge you to watch tonight.

Be prepared for a schadenboner.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2017 06:45 PM (/tuJf)

Will you give us a short play by play for those of us who can't stomach cable news?

Posted by: Monk at November 20, 2017 06:57 PM (g4lFK)

183 also the wii fit girl has that repetitive sound and the cycling action which is very suggestive of an economy hitting on all cylinders.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2017 06:43 PM (8rNrN)
............

Yes the persistence and rhythmic periodicity bodes well for growth for all members in society.

Posted by: wth at November 20, 2017 06:57 PM (HgMAr)

184 All these creeps are dropping like flies due to their sordid pasts.
Soon the only man left standing will be Mike Pence.
Posted by: ALH at November 20, 2017 06:53 PM (myWJh)

I first read this as "sordid pasta."

Sorta works that way too.

Posted by: filbert at November 20, 2017 06:57 PM (nuTTf)

185
If a woman did this to a dude, it would DEFINITELY work.

Because men like that shit.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 20, 2017 06:57 PM (YUajH)

186 "Yeah, but the R's appear to be intentionally trying to lose. The average voter will wonder why he should bother voting for these clowns who are trying to block Trump's agenda every step of the way. I see R turnout down."

Could be. But I expect Trump to campaign actively to win seven Senate seats with Bannon candidates. It's what's missing and needed.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 20, 2017 06:57 PM (cAXIk)

187 The most description name for Zero was SCFOAMT.

Posted by: ALH at November 20, 2017 06:58 PM (myWJh)

188 gives most of the credit to Barack Obama (natch).

If it weren't for that arsonist, how could I ever collect on my insurance?
Posted by: t-bird at November 20, 2017 06:55 PM (7ulel)
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Well, we've got to give credit to the guy who broke the windows.

Posted by: Paul Krugman and Robert B. Reisch at November 20, 2017 06:58 PM (vDqXW)

189 Because, Brother, inflation has been running 5 to 10% in my spending.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 20, 2017 06:40 PM (60v4h)

Yes, I hear you. The disconnect between citizens and the FED over inflation is understandable. Explaining it properly would be lengthy and boring though.

Posted by: Meremortal, no prosecutions, no peace! at November 20, 2017 06:58 PM (3myMJ)

190 The Economist is an excellent example. Once (back when it was printed on newsprint, maybe a bit after that) it was a joy to read, cover to cover. Solid coverage of most important topics (it was especially better than the major US dailies on international topics, even though back then those papers had foreign bureaus and some impressive people working for them). Then .....

Posted by: rhomboid at November 20, 2017 06:55 PM (QDnY+)

Scientific American is another example. It's now neither scientific nor American (having been bought by some Brits, IIRC). Pass.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 20, 2017 06:58 PM (YqDXo)

191 Do they all have cancer or something?

One of them is punching out kids like pez. The other has kids in college.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 20, 2017 06:58 PM (60v4h)

192 Yeah, but the R's appear to be intentionally trying to lose. The average voter will wonder why he should bother voting for these clowns who are trying to block Trump's agenda every step of the way. I see R turnout down.

Now's the time to throw out the incumbents.
Get blood in there that'll work with PDT.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2017 06:58 PM (5kNms)

193 But TFG was all the rage back in the day.

I think TFG was Ace only. JEF was always good. President Cock-Curious came on the scene late, but that was quite good. SCoaMF was the original.

Posted by: t-bird at November 20, 2017 06:58 PM (H0quv)

194 184 All these creeps are dropping like flies due to their sordid pasts.
Soon the only man left standing will be Mike Pence.
Posted by: ALH at November 20, 2017 06:53 PM (myWJh)

I first read this as "sordid pasta."

Sorta works that way too.
Posted by: filbert at November 20, 2017 06:57 PM (nuTTf)

I saw Sordid Pasta open for Speecy Spicy Meatball at the Spectrum in '82.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 20, 2017 06:58 PM (mbhDw)

195 142 California Assembly Majority Whip Raul Bocanegra announced he plans to step down next year -- after a staffer said he put his hands inside her blouse at a nightclub in 2009 and The Los Angeles Times reportedly presented him with harassment allegations from a total of six women.

Posted by: The Jackhole Somewhere on Ventura Highway at November 20, 2017 06:50 PM (M+Lyo)

I'd just like to say I blame my parents for naming me Raul Bocanegra.

Posted by: Raul Bocanegra at November 20, 2017 06:58 PM (4ErVI)

196
King Putz
Married to a donkey
King Putz
Don't like any honkeys
Born in Indonesia
Reggie boy will please ya
King Putz

Posted by: not Steve Martin at November 20, 2017 06:59 PM (UdKB7)

197 Tick

Tock

Posted by: Sean Hannity at November 20, 2017 06:59 PM (jZinP)

198 It would be nice if Trump would use his bullhorn to raise the level of the discussion just a tad, because it still *is*, mostly, a mindless model of "coincides with" for most people. They have no understanding of how govt. can hurt the economy. They do, indeed, "think" only in terms of correlation, not causation, when it comes to politicians and policies. And of course they labor under the suffocating distortion of the media, upon which they rely for info and frameworks - and which fails them utterly.

So crowing about new Dow highs is meh, as I see no effort at all to tie economic improvement to policies and ideas Trump actually does champion, or is or has enacted.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 20, 2017 06:59 PM (QDnY+)

199 171 We voted yesterday on our pastor's compensation package for next year. We have two ministers, a Senior and an Assistant. The health insurance for those two families is costing us $77k next year.

This seems high to me.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 20, 2017 06:56 PM (60v4h)

38.5k a year. WTF?!?

Posted by: Monk at November 20, 2017 06:59 PM (g4lFK)

200 >>For those of you who can stay up that late and can stomach Hannity, I would urge you to watch tonight.

Saw Sarah Carter;s tweet: "Treasure Trove of Documents Tying Russia to Uranium On"

Excellent!

https://twitter.com/SaraCarterDC/status/932742656622518277

Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2017 06:59 PM (W+vEI)

201 President Obama did wonderful things for the economy....

of Iran.

Posted by: Unfrozen Assets and Pallets o' Cash, LLC at November 20, 2017 06:59 PM (EzdLW)

202 Okay economist - you are saying when Trump promised this, you, and the Democrats, and media, and Hillary, didn't make fun of and generally deny that not only would Trump make it happen, but that it was completely, absurdly impossible to expect those kind of growth rates? Knock off you gas lighting bullshit.

I even recall, many times, hearing that such claims showed how stupid and naïve, and unserious Trump was as a candidate. NO ONE could promise and deliver 4% growth.

And here is the thing - this is being done despite congress, and with tax reform still waiting, and the obamacare drag. Imagine, just imagine, what would happen if we could ditch Obamacare, complete tax reform, and get congress to do its job. Probably 6%. 4% was a low end prediction you idiots.

That is the cost, every damn year of your silly policies. $300 to $600 billion per year in economic growth, compounded, you ninnies! That is how you do welfare, how you solve deficits, how you repair infrastructure.

Posted by: Dean Wormer at November 20, 2017 06:59 PM (fftfA)

203 science reports earth bombarded by more anti-matter than expected. the Trump Kraken emerges to destroy the False. Coincidence?

Posted by: cowtown at November 20, 2017 06:59 PM (WX+x0)

204 I don't think the current boom is directly due to Trump personally, it is the idea of Trump and what he represents that spurred it.
Posted by: Duke of Righteous WTF? at November 20, 2017 06:57 PM (T71PA)

Certainly true, but signing all these economic agreements with the Chinese, removing regulations, etc. are down to Trump, and boost the hell out of business confidence.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 20, 2017 07:00 PM (YqDXo)

205
Republicans are stalling for one reason: They holding out hope Mueller comes through for them and rids them of this pesky president.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 20, 2017 07:00 PM (YUajH)

206 Fox News supporting nutter Moon Landing conspiracies now.
-WZ

Posted by: Under Fire at November 20, 2017 07:00 PM (r9UYA)

207 Wii Fit girl was mesmerizing but I liked Tricorner girl better. More of age, for one thing.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2017 07:00 PM (39g3+)

208 >>Treasure Trove of Documents Tying Russia to Uranium On

Don't we know that Russia is tied to Uranium One?

Posted by: garrett at November 20, 2017 07:00 PM (jZinP)

209 Yeah the economy unexpectedly got better.

Think a few people like Krugtron need to learn how to shine shoes because that is all they are qualified for.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 20, 2017 07:01 PM (oMc1W)

210 Is AllahPundit going to admit that, hey, maybe Trump's pro-America slant might be a good thing ?
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 20, 2017 06:55 PM (6FqZa)
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Get real! This is the #MeToo economy boom. It comes from all the removing of predatory males from their perches.
Posted by: Not Allahpundit at November 20, 2017 06:56 PM (vDqXW)

I had a perch and never used it?!?! 8(

Posted by: Monk at November 20, 2017 07:01 PM (g4lFK)

211 >>Shit Status : Just Got Real?

If you count a treasure trove of document proving that the Obama DOJ knew long before the Uranium One deal was done that it was just a front for Putin and more Real, then yes.

And it is just the tip.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2017 07:01 PM (/tuJf)

212
The only "major" legislation this current group of Republican cucks are gonna pass is...

shoring up obamacare and making it bulletproof from extinction like Social Security. Do not doubt me.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 20, 2017 07:01 PM (YUajH)

213 "Once (back when it was printed on newsprint, maybe a bit after that) it was a joy to read, cover to cover."

Back in the 90s I used to get my Economist late Friday, hot off the presses, and devour it on the train home.

Most of the WSJ is now written by 20-year olds who couldn't get a job on Wall Street.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 20, 2017 07:01 PM (cAXIk)

214 I first read this as "sordid pasta."

Sorta works that way too.

Posted by: filbert at November 20, 2017 06:57 PM (nuTTf)

I read "sordid paste." Thought it was about Sheriff Joe.

Posted by: Peaches at November 20, 2017 07:02 PM (14URa)

215 See! See! Trump FAILED. He said 4% growth, it is actually far less at only 3.8%. Some analysts said we possibly could see up to as much as 20% in certain circumstances, but the reality is 3.8. Epic failure of a presidency.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 20, 2017 07:02 PM (BoMuO)

216 Uranium One. Things are about to get a whole lot more interesting.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2017 06:55 PM (/tuJf)

Nice.

I haven't heard a thing about those computer bad guys mixed up with Debbie the Washerwoman.

Posted by: Meremortal, no prosecutions, no peace! at November 20, 2017 07:02 PM (3myMJ)

217 I even recall, many times, hearing that such claims showed how stupid and naive, and unserious Trump was as a candidate. NO ONE could promise and deliver 4% growth.

Posted by: Dean Wormer at November 20, 2017 06:59 PM (fftfA)
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You, Peon, remember it WRONG. Which is why you need us to remember it for you.

Posted by: Paul Krugman and Robert B. Reisch at November 20, 2017 07:02 PM (vDqXW)

218 We voted yesterday on our pastor's compensation package for next year. We have two ministers, a Senior and an Assistant. The health insurance for those two families is costing us $77k next year.

This seems high to me.
Posted by: Grump928(C)

__________

That's insane, they have health care ministry type co-ops like Medi-Share.

No way a Church should be wasting money like that.

Posted by: Maritime at November 20, 2017 07:02 PM (lKmt3)

219 And obama didn't have a single quarter with growth at 3% or more during 8 full years. I wonder why?

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 20, 2017 06:33 PM (+Dllb)

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Nah, he had a fair share of 4's and one 5 for quarterly growth and hit 4% for annual growth 3 of his 8 years.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 20, 2017 06:36 PM (wmaTe)

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Is that so? I know he booked a 3.2 quarter and one 3.8 quarter, but I think that's all she wrote.

Here's the BEA numbers, quarterly, from the St. Louis Fed:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y9ejpxx4

Posted by: The New Yorker at November 20, 2017 07:03 PM (ggZRr)

220 192 Yeah, but the R's appear to be intentionally trying to lose. The average voter will wonder why he should bother voting for these clowns who are trying to block Trump's agenda every step of the way. I see R turnout down.

Now's the time to throw out the incumbents.
Get blood in there that'll work with PDT.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2017 06:58 PM (5kNms)

The R base will not be energized to reelect traitors.

Posted by: Monk at November 20, 2017 07:03 PM (g4lFK)

221 I haven't read all the comments but, has anyone noted that Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure yet?

Posted by: that guy that doesn't read all the comments at November 20, 2017 07:03 PM (60v4h)

222 103
If a dog pukes on your carpet and then eats it, you need to throw him in the yard to eat some grass

! If your dog is big enough to eat your carpet, leave him alone.

Posted by: I am Grope, Guradian of the Senate at November 20, 2017 07:03 PM (EK6pT)

223 I first read this as "sordid pasta."
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Comet Pizza?

Posted by: John Pederasta at November 20, 2017 07:03 PM (vDqXW)

224
Mueller has zero interest in uranium deals.

He just requested documents on Comey/Sessions regarding Comey's dismissal.

Mueller is going after Trump. There's no two ways about it.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 20, 2017 07:03 PM (YUajH)

225 We voted yesterday on our pastor's compensation
package for next year. We have two ministers, a Senior and an
Assistant. The health insurance for those two families is costing us
$77k next year.

This seems high to me.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 20, 2017 06:56 PM (60v4h)

Work for a big corporation that I think partial self insures so different. But my contribution is $70 every 2 weeks. The health insurance market if fucked up.

Posted by: X-ray at November 20, 2017 07:03 PM (VDQek)

226 >>Saw Sarah Carter;s tweet: "Treasure Trove of Documents Tying Russia to Uranium On"

Been saying this for months now. And now the stages set, here comes the hammer.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2017 07:03 PM (/tuJf)

227 Will there be a Very Important Breaking News Opening Monologue? Will there be flow charts?

Posted by: wth at November 20, 2017 07:03 PM (HgMAr)

228 The quote was Jack Nicholson, wasn't it?

Posted by: Axeman at November 20, 2017 07:04 PM (vDqXW)

229 "Scientific American is another example. It's now neither scientific nor American (having been bought by some Brits, IIRC). Pass."

You noticed it too? I read it for decades. Then, I dunno, the last 5 years ago, the thing became some sort of lefty organization. They would simply left science at the door.

here is the thing about the left - they will happily destroy anything to get their way.

Posted by: Dean Wormer at November 20, 2017 07:04 PM (fftfA)

230 There are 25 film magazines from the Apollo 17 with around 150 photos per magazine odd that only one photo seems to be in doubt and only after the guy manipulated it.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 20, 2017 07:04 PM (oMc1W)

231
btw, at what age do we men get these so-called old man balls?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 20, 2017 07:05 PM (YUajH)

232 Then, I dunno, the last 5 years ago, the thing became some sort of lefty organization.

Posted by: Dean Wormer at November 20, 2017 07:04 PM (fftfA)
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Burge's Rule of Institutions.

Posted by: Axeman at November 20, 2017 07:05 PM (vDqXW)

233 WeaselDog likes Cheerios.

Posted by: Weasel at November 20, 2017 07:05 PM (Sfs6o)

234 Why would Democrats want the Barack Obama economy?

Because shit is their stock in trade.

Here, vote for us. You're fucking stupid take some shit. It's good for you!

Hillary 2020 ! *insert pic of Hilldog wif her eyes bugging out"

Posted by: torabora at November 20, 2017 07:05 PM (6dFYM)

235
Mine just dropped.

Well, semi-dropped.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 20, 2017 07:05 PM (YUajH)

236 The economy was waiting to either being crushed by 8 more years of disaster or for DT to win so it could take off. A lot was in the balance.
In the weeks after PDT won I could see a big improvement in the outlook of my customers in the construction industry, and a subsequent increase in business.

Posted by: not Steve Martin at November 20, 2017 07:05 PM (UdKB7)

237 Spooks don't arrest other Spooks. Nothing will ever come about the Uniparty crimes unless the citizens use the rope and lamppost method.

Or Allen West runs in 2020 under the Pinochet 2.0 platform.

Posted by: Monk at November 20, 2017 07:05 PM (g4lFK)

238 So crowing about new Dow highs is meh, as I see no effort at all to tie economic improvement to policies and ideas Trump actually does champion, or is or has enacted.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 20, 2017 06:59 PM (QDnY+)

At a superficial level that's true, but at a more profound one, I don't think it is.

Under the Reign of Error, I suspect businessmen, employers generally, and investors felt that they had bull's eyes on their backs. That, the onerous regulations, plus the uncertainty of what that idiot might do next, inhibited economic growth.

Removing that cloud from the horizon, even without doing anything substantively, I think has spurred the hell out of the economy.

I would liken it to Trump's effect on illegal immigration. Any new legislation? No. Wall built yet? No. But nevertheless, illegal immigration has dropped off dramatically. Why? Because of the tone Trump has set.

I maintained to my family that 95% of what a President does is setting the tone, the atmosphere. Compare and contrast Carter with Reagan for an example.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 20, 2017 07:05 PM (YqDXo)

239 One thing fat ass Rush Bingbong always said which rang true was when the MSM is shouting about the "Great Depression" or the "Great Recession" just refuse to participate.

The economic numbers put out by the Guvmint is nonsense anyways, smoke and mirrors to make the proles twist and shout and turn themselves about.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 20, 2017 07:06 PM (nUkMr)

240 No way a Church should be wasting money like that.
Posted by: Maritime

I know, right?

Posted by: Pope Leo X at November 20, 2017 07:06 PM (6FqZa)

241 So many crimes, so little attention span.

Posted by: Obama Voter at November 20, 2017 07:06 PM (HgMAr)

242 Back in the 90s I used to get my Economist late Friday, hot off the presses, and devour it on the train home.

It was awesome then. I think I remember it hitting newsstands at midnight on Thursday, but I might be misremembering.

What I didn't know at the time was that its editor was Michael Kinsley, who was also the founding editor of Slate back when Slate was good.

Kinsley is in the Dershowitz category of liberals who are good to read because whatever their bias they are intellectually honest.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 20, 2017 07:06 PM (gIRsn)

243 Yep, Scientific American, another casualty of the great endumbening.

It gets tricky to discuss how things used to be, vs. today, because while the press has always been a problem (Nixon was elected, twice, *despite* the press, and eventually driven from office mostly *because* of the press), in some ways things used to be better.

There was a time when, for example, the NYT's top national security reporter could move directly into a key sub-cabinet job involving national security with ..... the Reagan administration. I don't have to ask you to imagine any such thing today. It gets complicated and tedious to explain, but the press has gone from mostly a problem to a complete catastrophe, for the country.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 20, 2017 07:06 PM (QDnY+)

244 A private university in New York City is hosting a panel on combating anti-Semitism - but there's at least one glaring problem, according to critics: an avowed anti-Zionist protester (Sarsour) is among the so-called experts.

Further, the event, which is moderated by Amy Goodman of Democracy Now, appears to reject anti-Semitism while also exhibiting an anti-Israel stance.

If Democracy Now is involved then it is leftist subterfuge for raging anti-Israel anti-semitism.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 20, 2017 07:06 PM (BoMuO)

245 Mine just dropped.

Well, semi-dropped.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 20, 2017 07:05 PM (YUajH)

Mine move up and down, inversely correlated to the temperature.

Posted by: SteveOReno at November 20, 2017 07:06 PM (2sCft)

246 >>Will there be a Very Important Breaking News Opening Monologue? Will there be flow charts?

Who cares? He's a melodramatic putz. But he has been right on this issue since day 1 and more importantly he has been the one news program that has given a platform to people who do know the facts like Peter Schweitzer, Sara Carter and John Solomon.

And they have the goods.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2017 07:07 PM (/tuJf)

247
We voted for a Republican Senate, a Republican House, and a Republican president to do ONE thing: repeal obamacare.

And this Republican-led govt will end up doing the very opposite: saving obamacare.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 20, 2017 07:07 PM (YUajH)

248 A President to the economy is like the environment to your genetics.

Genetics sets a max for all your abilities, the environment can only subtract from that. If it subtracts only a little then you flourish. If it subtracts a lot then you don't

Posted by: geoffb at November 20, 2017 07:07 PM (zOpu5)

249 Businesses have been waiting eight years to take some chances with their cash.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 20, 2017 07:07 PM (2DOZq)

250 So crowing about new Dow highs is meh, as I see no effort at all to tie economic improvement to policies and ideas Trump actually does champion, or is or has enacted.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 20, 2017 06:59 PM (QDnY+)

I see a some of those ties mentioned in his daily emails. I think he uses the DOW because people feel better when it's going up and worse when it's going down even though they may not be directly involved or even know why they feel as they do.

Posted by: Meremortal, no prosecutions, no peace! at November 20, 2017 07:07 PM (3myMJ)

251 btw, at what age do we men get these so-called old man balls?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 20, 2017 07:05 PM (YUajH)
...........

29

Posted by: wth at November 20, 2017 07:07 PM (HgMAr)

252 The health insurance market if fucked up.
Posted by: X-ray at November 20, 2017 07:03 PM (VDQek)
**************
Ummm No it's not. It's doing exactly what we wanted it to do.

Posted by: B+arack Ob+mao at November 20, 2017 07:07 PM (6dFYM)

253 >>Will there be a Very Important Breaking News Opening Monologue? Will there be flow charts?

I hear he's hauling out Glenn Beck's old whiteboard

More seriously, there's a detailed article available now:
https://t.co/yqVcIlsu8z

Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2017 07:08 PM (W+vEI)

254 I would have given you a new normal of permanent depression, and would have been so proud of extending what Barry started that I would have even released the actual -- and not pulled-out-of-someone's-ass -- economic numbers.

Posted by: Hillary 2080!!! at November 20, 2017 07:08 PM (BiLU+)

255 Mine move up and down, inversely correlated to the temperature.
Posted by: SteveOReno at November 20, 2017 07:06 PM (2sCft)

Not unlike a Galileo thermometer...

Posted by: Pug Mahon at November 20, 2017 07:09 PM (sGSvK)

256 229 "Scientific American is another example. It's now neither scientific nor American (having been bought by some Brits, IIRC). Pass."

You noticed it too? I read it for decades. Then, I dunno, the last 5 years ago, the thing became some sort of lefty organization. They would simply left science at the door.

here is the thing about the left - they will happily destroy anything to get their way.
Posted by: Dean Wormer at November 20, 2017 07:04 PM (fftfA)

Absolutely. I used to read it religiously as a kid.

Now it's not worth reading. It's thinly disguised lefty agitprop for the most part.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 20, 2017 07:09 PM (YqDXo)

257 Genetics sets a max for all your abilities, the environment can only subtract from that. If it subtracts only a little then you flourish. If it subtracts a lot then you don't

Posted by: geoffb at November 20, 2017 07:07 PM (zOpu5)

Well framed.

I said through 6 of Obama's last years, that we just needed one action from the president: take your foot off the throat of the economy.

Trump never put his foot on the economy's neck, thus it's a policy improvement. I give him credit for the genius idea to not step on the neck of the economy.

Posted by: Axeman at November 20, 2017 07:09 PM (vDqXW)

258 In January '16 The Economist opined that 'populist thought must be destroyed.' Tolerant, insightful & the last time I read The Economist.

Posted by: Charlie's American Beauty Rose at November 20, 2017 07:10 PM (bc2Lc)

259 'Xactly! Women know about shrinkage, don't they!?!

Posted by: SteveOReno at November 20, 2017 07:10 PM (2sCft)

260 OT, check out the Daily Mail - Malia Obama smoking and kissing some unknown dude at Yale. I really hope her parents talk to her about kicking that smoking habit.

Posted by: IC at November 20, 2017 07:10 PM (a0IVu)

261 'Old man take a look at my balls
they're a lot like yours were'

Posted by: Neil Young at November 20, 2017 07:10 PM (Kg1nq)

262 207 Wii Fit girl was mesmerizing but I liked Tricorner girl better. More of age, for one thing.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2017 07:00 P

Bet they're both early 20's at best.

Posted by: Buzzion - guess my sign at November 20, 2017 07:10 PM (z/Ubi)

263 248 A President to the economy is like the environment to your genetics.

Genetics sets a max for all your abilities, the environment can only subtract from that. If it subtracts only a little then you flourish. If it subtracts a lot then you don't
Posted by: geoffb at November 20, 2017 07:07 PM (zOpu5)

Great point, and great parallel as well.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 20, 2017 07:10 PM (YqDXo)

264 >>>I first read this as "sordid pasta."

Do copypasta fail and you'll get groped by me.

Posted by: The Barrel at November 20, 2017 07:10 PM (hvf9s)

265 And this Republican-led govt will end up doing the very opposite: saving obamacare.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 20, 2017 07:07 PM (YUajH)

Well, yeah. But you might as well look forward to something else cause that shit already went through the goose.

Posted by: Meremortal, no prosecutions, no peace! at November 20, 2017 07:10 PM (3myMJ)

266 Mueller has zero interest in uranium deals.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 20, 2017 07:03 PM (YUajH)

We have zero interest for everybody, indefinitely.

Posted by: The Federal Reserve at November 20, 2017 07:11 PM (EzdLW)

267 If Obamacare was in a convertible limo would it attract attention from the grassy knoll?

Posted by: torabora at November 20, 2017 07:11 PM (6dFYM)

268 247
We voted for a Republican Senate, a Republican House, and a Republican president to do ONE thing: repeal obamacare.

And this Republican-led govt will end up doing the very opposite: saving obamacare.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 20, 2017 07:07 PM (YUajH)

So the base will reelect them obviously.

Roy Moore just launched his 2020 bid for POTUS by saying the military needs to be deployed on the US-Mexico Border.

Could not agree more with this.

Posted by: Monk at November 20, 2017 07:11 PM (g4lFK)

269 >>Mine move up and down, inversely correlated to the temperature of the toilet water.

Posted by: Old Man at November 20, 2017 07:11 PM (Kg1nq)

270
I had a perch and never used it?!?! 8(
Posted by: Monk

I got a haddock

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 20, 2017 07:11 PM (IqV8l)

271 Scientific American had just enough complexity to be interesting and challenging to me, but not so dense and jargony it was not unreadable. I thought it had a nice feel, but I haven't read it since the early 90s.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2017 07:12 PM (39g3+)

272 Mine just dropped.

Well, semi-dropped.

Mine dropped in utero.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 20, 2017 07:12 PM (60v4h)

273 Jay, were furiously agreeing here. Absolutely yes to the general, inchoate, yet clear impact of change in tone and leadership and policy direction. On the economy, and illegal migration. And other things. If one could magically measure the leadership anxiety levels in Tokyo, compared to Beijing, from one year ago, to now, there's little doubt you'd find a neat and complete reversal. Just as one example.

Dunno when The Economist went off the shallow end. I used to get it at home (newsprint). That was probably the 70s/80s. And if Kinsley was anything, he was an American editor - but I don't think so, or that was later. And I don't know about his honesty, just know he's a lightweight on any serious topic, like most of his colleagues. There's a lot more malevolence and alien values affecting the decline of journalism now, but it's built on a base of intellectual mediocrity.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 20, 2017 07:12 PM (QDnY+)

274 262 207 Wii Fit girl was mesmerizing but I liked Tricorner girl better. More of age, for one thing.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2017 07:00 P

Bet they're both early 20's at best.
Posted by: Buzzion - guess my sign at November 20, 2017 07:10 PM (z/Ubi)

Wii fit girl looked like,jail bait.

Posted by: Monk at November 20, 2017 07:13 PM (g4lFK)

275 I have a bunch of old Scientific Americans from the 1950s. They are chock full of ads for companies that made electronic components, chemicals, machine tools, and so on. These were small to mid-size businesses in every community in America.

They're all gone now. It's heartbreaking to read those ads today.

It's also infuriating to contemplate that the de-industrialization of America was deliberate policy.

Posted by: rickl at November 20, 2017 07:13 PM (sdi6R)

276 Ryan's Cake Girl is still da' Bomb! Lucky bastard...

Posted by: SteveOReno at November 20, 2017 07:14 PM (2sCft)

277 If you can make them go up and down real fast, chicks everywhere would love to see that! Especially at job interviews and stuff.

Posted by: Charlie's Gnarlies at November 20, 2017 07:14 PM (HgMAr)

278
Malia Obama smoking and kissing some unknown dude at Yale.

Scuse me while I kiss this guy.

Posted by: Malia Obama at November 20, 2017 07:14 PM (IqV8l)

279 I said through 6 of Obama's last years, that we just needed one action from the president: take your foot off the throat of the economy.

Trump never put his foot on the economy's neck, thus it's a policy improvement. I give him credit for the genius idea to not step on the neck of the economy.
Posted by: Axeman at November 20, 2017 07:09 PM (vDqXW)

THIS. The sheer act of removing a capricious, arbitrary, statist, extortion via regulation Administration has caused the uptick we are now seeing.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 20, 2017 07:14 PM (ujg0T)

280 Breaking news from Newsweek:

Newsweek @Newsweek
How murderer Charles Manson and President Donald Trump used similar language to gain followers

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at November 20, 2017 07:14 PM (Nwg0u)

281 278

Malia Obama smoking and kissing some unknown dude at Yale.

Scuse me while I kiss this guy.

Posted by: Malia Obama at November 20, 2017 07:14 PM (IqV8l)
A white dude, at that. Girl, you are so not woke.

Posted by: IC at November 20, 2017 07:15 PM (a0IVu)

282 Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 20, 2017 07:05 PM (YqDXo)

Trump better take a closer look at the management at ICE. Still a large number of Obamas holdovers . All they will do is try to stop Trump. He needs to change the management now.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 20, 2017 07:15 PM (2DOZq)

283 Malia Obama smoking and kissing some unknown dude at Yale.

And it's a white guy...doubt he is conservative. LOL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2017 07:15 PM (5y11N)

284 US Economy? Never heard of it.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at November 20, 2017 07:15 PM (Tu8Iv)

285 Scuse me while I kiss this guy.
Posted by: Malia Obama at November 20, 2017 07:14 PM (IqV8l)
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The startling this is you smoking him!

Posted by: Axeman at November 20, 2017 07:15 PM (vDqXW)

286 I maintained to my family that 95% of what a President does is setting the tone, the atmosphere. Compare and contrast Carter with Reagan for an example.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 20, 2017 07:05 PM (YqDXo)

I can't put a number on it but in general I agree with that and have watched it in action (or not) since JFK.

Posted by: Meremortal, no prosecutions, no peace! at November 20, 2017 07:16 PM (3myMJ)

287 The best thing that Congress and the President could do for the economy right now is repeal Obamacare. It's very telling that that unconstitutional POS still stands.

Posted by: freaked at November 20, 2017 07:16 PM (UdKB7)

288 >>>262 207 Wii Fit girl was mesmerizing but I liked Tricorner girl better. More of age, for one thing.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2017 07:00 P

Bet they're both early 20's at best.

Posted by: Buzzion - guess my sign at November 20, 2017 07:10 PM (z/Ubi)

Wii fit girl looked like,jail bait.
.
.
.She was an account executive at nintendo when she did that video so I doubt she is *jail bait*.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 20, 2017 07:16 PM (+Dllb)

289 Ace, gotta hand it to you, You're a great American!

Posted by: random ~~lurker~~ commenter at November 20, 2017 07:16 PM (dab45)

290 Daily Mail must have the most industrious reporters...or American reporters are lazy asses. I can't figure out which is it.

Posted by: IC at November 20, 2017 07:16 PM (a0IVu)

291 Guess Who;s Coming to Dinner.

Who'll be more pissed. Obama. Michelle or Grandma?

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 20, 2017 07:16 PM (cAXIk)

292 When I was in highschool and college girls used to love the strip down in boxers and do the package dance.

Now that sort of innocent horseplay would be sexual assault or something.

Posted by: Monk at November 20, 2017 07:16 PM (g4lFK)

293 From the 90s through the early 00s there were quite a few publications I had read and subscribed to that went full lefty and lost me forever as a reader. Scientific American was one, Analog and Reason were two others.

Posted by: geoffb at November 20, 2017 07:17 PM (zOpu5)

294 Q: Where do old men keep their balls?

Posted by: A: Argyle Socks at November 20, 2017 07:17 PM (bc2Lc)

295 cuse me while I kiss this guy.
Posted by: Malia Obama at November 20, 2017 07:14 PM (IqV8l)

Move over, Rover, and let Jimi take over.

(I know, different song)

Posted by: SteveOReno at November 20, 2017 07:17 PM (2sCft)

296 Daily Mail must have the most industrious reporters...or American reporters are lazy asses. I can't figure out which is it.
Posted by: IC at November 20, 2017 07:16 PM (a0IVu)
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My wife always says to me: We gotta go to Britain to get our news.

Posted by: Axeman at November 20, 2017 07:17 PM (vDqXW)

297 Malia Obama smoking and kissing some unknown dude at Yale.

------

God help the young man that gets on her bad side & winds up on the receiving end of #metoo allegations.

Posted by: josephistan at November 20, 2017 07:17 PM (ANIFC)

298 Others here stating well what I decided was too boring to asssert - that a president's/govt's *main* impact on the economy is negative, when there's any impact at all.

For years, before I stopped bothering to try, I'd torment some acquaintances by asking them to explain "opinions" such as "Clinton was great on the economy" by asking them for detailed explanation. Of course, blank looks, nothing really to say.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 20, 2017 07:17 PM (QDnY+)

299 288 >>>262 207 Wii Fit girl was mesmerizing but I liked Tricorner girl better. More of age, for one thing.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2017 07:00 P

Bet they're both early 20's at best.

Posted by: Buzzion - guess my sign at November 20, 2017 07:10 PM (z/Ubi)

Wii fit girl looked like,jail bait.
.
.
.She was an account executive at nintendo when she did that video so I doubt she is *jail bait*.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 20, 2017 07:16 PM (+Dllb)

She has great genes.

Posted by: Monk at November 20, 2017 07:17 PM (g4lFK)

300 Newsweek @Newsweek
How murderer Charles Manson and President Donald Trump used similar language to gain followers

I'll buy that for a dollar!

Posted by: Zombie Sidney Harman at November 20, 2017 07:18 PM (60v4h)

301

The Vile Dingleberry doesn't fall very far from the Scrunt Bunghole...

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at November 20, 2017 07:18 PM (qul7b)

302 The Weather Channel has been hyping their live coverage of the Georgia Dome implosion then this happened:

http://bit.ly/2AkuLu0

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at November 20, 2017 07:19 PM (Nwg0u)

303 Where do old men keep their balls?
Posted by: A: Argyle Socks at November 20, 2017 07:17 PM (bc2Lc)

Behind their knees.

Posted by: Monk at November 20, 2017 07:19 PM (g4lFK)

304 'God help the young man that gets on her bad side & winds up on the receiving end of #metoo allegations.'

No kidding. I'd be afraid to touch her.

Posted by: freaked at November 20, 2017 07:19 PM (UdKB7)

305 Sordid pasts.

You all need to make an appointment with the optometrist.

Posted by: ALH at November 20, 2017 07:19 PM (myWJh)

306 Obama smoking and kissing some unknown dude at Yale.

And then I remembered he went to Harvard. Had to re-read.

Posted by: t-bird at November 20, 2017 07:19 PM (YXJ+5)

307
Obligatory for old man balls.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrBNWSH2-mI

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 20, 2017 07:19 PM (eXA4G)

308 Heh. Trump can send out one or a few related tweets that will send the MSM into a 24-48 hour tizzy and then they claim *he* spends all his time on twitter.
Nope, he spent a minute or two on twitter and then got down to business.
Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2017 06:44 PM (W+vEI)

Exactly; he gets those assholes in "hair on fire" mode early in the day and then does real work while they're running in circles. Every fucking day. And they still haven't figured out why everybody's laughing at them.

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 20, 2017 07:19 PM (y7DUB)

309 #137 - exactly.

What I try to explain to people is that the economy has a natural growth rate of 3.2 to 3.5% over inflation. It will grow at that rate indefinitely if left the hell alone.

Politicians can rob from this growth rate...pull it down from its long term average by pursuing dumb policies, and essentially trying to steal tomorrow's growth to spend today. Once the idiot policies are removed, economic growth will often surge right past the long term average and make up for lost time. Therefore, the longer dumb policies keep growth at 2%, the stronger the recovery will be once those policies are removed.

trump has the huge advantage of following the idiotic polices of Obama, meaning economic growth ahs been suppressed for eight years. So we will have to grow 4-5% for several years to make up for lost ground.

Posted by: Dean Wormer at November 20, 2017 07:19 PM (fftfA)

310 And if Kinsley was anything, he was an American editor

I looked it up (looking things up is cheating only for the primary assertion; after you've made your case you're allowed to look it up to see if you're full of shit) and you're right. Wiki says he was American editor and his tenure was brief and honorary.

My Economist era was late 80s early 90s. I thought it was the best thing since sliced Jello. I completely cribbed my writing style from them back then.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 20, 2017 07:20 PM (gIRsn)

311 Who is going to be next in gropemania?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 20, 2017 07:20 PM (BoMuO)

312 Jay, were furiously agreeing here. Absolutely yes to the general, inchoate, yet clear impact of change in tone and leadership and policy direction. On the economy, and illegal migration. And other things. If one could magically measure the leadership anxiety levels in Tokyo, compared to Beijing, from one year ago, to now, there's little doubt you'd find a neat and complete reversal. Just as one example.

I thought that, actually, as we generally agree on most things, but I thought I'd make it explicit. Just the notion that there's a new sheriff in town can have a salutary effect, even before he arrives in town. See, e.g., the DJIA on the day after the election.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 20, 2017 07:20 PM (YqDXo)

313 When I was in highschool and college girls used to love the strip down in boxers and do the package dance.

Now that sort of innocent horseplay would be sexual assault or something.
Posted by: Monk

Assault me, please

Posted by: Jean at November 20, 2017 07:21 PM (9TU00)

314 'Where do old men keep their balls?'

Over their shoulder?

Posted by: A Continental Soldier at November 20, 2017 07:21 PM (UdKB7)

315 Wii fit girl was 25 when the video was made. Bet college going Tri-corner hat girl was in the 19-22 range.

Posted by: buzzion - guess my sign at November 20, 2017 07:21 PM (z/Ubi)

316 nood

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 20, 2017 07:21 PM (YUajH)

317 'Where do old men keep their balls?'

In their wives handbags

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2017 07:21 PM (5y11N)

318 286 I maintained to my family that 95% of what a President does is setting the tone, the atmosphere. Compare and contrast Carter with Reagan for an example.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 20, 2017 07:05 PM (YqDXo)

I can't put a number on it but in general I agree with that and have watched it in action (or not) since JFK.
Posted by: Meremortal, no prosecutions, no peace! at November 20, 2017 07:16 PM (3myMJ)

Yeah, I just pulled a number out of my ass. Kinda like Obama Administration economic numbers.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 20, 2017 07:22 PM (YqDXo)

319 302 The Weather Channel has been hyping their live coverage of the Georgia Dome implosion then this happened:

http://bit.ly/2AkuLu0
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at November 20, 2017 07:19 PM (Nwg0u)

That's hilarious. It's a twist on the term "photobomb".

Posted by: rickl at November 20, 2017 07:22 PM (sdi6R)

320 304,
'God help the young man that gets on her bad side winds up on the receiving end of #metoo allegations.'

No kidding. I'd be afraid to touch her.

I'd be afraid to be within 100 yards of her. Out her of sight, out her of mind, out of any possible assertion that would cause my life to be in tatters.

Posted by: geoffb at November 20, 2017 07:22 PM (zOpu5)

321 >>>btw, at what age do we men get these so-called old man balls?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class!<<<

Must be at the age of 30, because at 29 years old, mine are high and tight like a 19 year old Marine Corps recruit's crew cut.

Posted by: Fritz at November 20, 2017 07:22 PM (bD2SM)

322 I can't put a number on it but in general I agree with that and have watched it in action (or not) since JFK.

Posted by: Meremortal, no prosecutions, no peace! at November 20, 2017 07:16 PM (3myMJ)

Same thing with parents. Tell a kid they are a loser they'll have better than even odds of being losers. Tell them they are winners same thing. (yes finer points on feeding, punishment etc. but in general)

Posted by: X-ray at November 20, 2017 07:23 PM (VDQek)

323 Bander, I was just going from vague memory. And absolutely, it was a fantastic publication back then. Amazing what dense, substantive, and readable coverage on the entire world you could get from one magazine.

Can't think of anything like it today.

Can't even think of what to stitch together, from any number of existing outlets, that would come close, today. That's how far things have fallen.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 20, 2017 07:23 PM (QDnY+)

324 175
Think about it, the guy wants to be "sexy" to a lady, so he acts like a woman and gets all flirty and shows a little skin??

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 20, 2017 06:57 PM (YUajH)

Not the same thing. A man who does this is a bully, forcing a woman to deal with his rudeness.

I sincerely doubt there was anything remotely "flirty" about it. More like, "here's my cock, deal with it, honey."

Posted by: tcn in AK at November 20, 2017 07:23 PM (7UW64)

325 Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at November 20, 2017 07:19 PM (Nwg0u)

I liked it better with the bus! Hysterical.

Posted by: Meremortal, no prosecutions, no peace! at November 20, 2017 07:23 PM (3myMJ)

326 Charlie Rose? I always figured him for ghey.

Posted by: BraineaterBob at November 20, 2017 07:24 PM (8PKnI)

327 My Economist era was late 80s early 90s. I thought it was the best thing since sliced Jello. I completely cribbed my writing style from them back then.

I 'borrowed' from Alexander Pope, then PJ O'Rourke, then Jonathan Swift, then Oscar Wilde, then Carlene the Misanthropic Bitch. Once you've cribbed from three or four masters it's not really cribbing anymore; it's influence.

Especially if the masters are Irish.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 20, 2017 07:25 PM (6FqZa)

328 290 Daily Mail must have the most industrious reporters...or American reporters are lazy asses. I can't figure out which is it.

Posted by: IC at November 20, 2017 07:16 PM (a0IVu)

They get sued a lot because of lying and inaccuracies in the text. Easier to do that in England too.

Really, they're great when you need visuals though. Some big thing unfolding they've got all the snaps you could want.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 20, 2017 07:25 PM (4ErVI)

329 btw, at what age do we men get these so-called old man balls?

You'll know it when lefty takes a dip in the pool during your morning dump.

Posted by: Gravity at November 20, 2017 07:25 PM (FhXTo)

330 We voted yesterday on our pastor's compensation package for next year. We have two ministers, a Senior and an Assistant. The health insurance for those two families is costing us $77k next year.

This seems high to me.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 20, 2017 06:56 PM (60v4h)

That is insanely high. It must be the Cadillac Gold Plan + Mercedes Benz bullion.

If you are a member you should ask to see the books and get an explanation. I hate to say someone is skimming off the top, or one of those terms, but I'd get an explanation of that line item. Maybe it was 17,000, or 7,000, and someone made a typo.

If you voted, then you're not the Catholic Church. Maybe go to an Elder. I'd have pants on fire over that number.

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla is fan of Professor Chaos at November 20, 2017 07:25 PM (4Vu64)

331 Who among you has had Norah O'Donnell sitting on your face?

Thought so.

Posted by: Charlie Rose at November 20, 2017 07:26 PM (4ErVI)

332 Sigh, Cake Girl... Oh and NOODS.

Posted by: SteveOReno at November 20, 2017 07:27 PM (2sCft)

333 btw, at what age do we men get these so-called old man balls?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 20, 2017 07:05 PM (YUajH)

========

If you're concerned, there are probably some cosmetic surgery options available out there. Get a lift, a tuck to remove the wrinkles, depilation, etc.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 20, 2017 07:29 PM (/qEW2)

334 Wii Fit girl looked like 13 to me, but I can never guess girls' ages. I'm glad I'm not dating nor young enough to get into that kind of trouble.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2017 07:29 PM (39g3+)

335 I 'borrowed' from Alexander Pope, then PJ O'Rourke, then Jonathan Swift, then Oscar Wilde, then Carlene the Misanthropic Bitch. Once you've cribbed from three or four masters it's not really cribbing anymore; it's influence.

Yeah. My BFF's writing style is so similar to mine that I joke that one of us is redundant. We've talked about whether it was PJ's influence or any of others that we have in common, but you're right.

One assimilates all the influences and the cribbing becomes just your eddy in the common river.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 20, 2017 07:30 PM (gIRsn)

336 Great car rear window decoration.

http://bit.ly/2mMhZyE

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at November 20, 2017 07:31 PM (Nwg0u)

337 remember how 8 years ago a black guy showed up at the White House and when he tried to get in the white cops arrested him and then he had a beer summit?

Posted by: torabora at November 20, 2017 07:34 PM (6dFYM)

338 Last week I could take both hands and touch my middle fingers and thumbs around my schadenboner. There is now a three inch gap between my thumbs.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at November 20, 2017 08:19 PM (3BFzK)

339 Important thing:

https://twitter.com/FLOTUS/status/932788283532247040

Melania looking elegant as always and holy crap is Barron tall.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 20, 2017 08:51 PM (dEQP3)

340 B. Hussein O' Commie: "Some of those jobs of the past are just not going to come back, and when somebody says like the person you just mentioned who I'm not going to advertise for, that he's going to bring all these jobs back, well how exactly are you going to do that? What are you going to do? There's--there's no answer to it. He just says, "Well, I'm going to negotiate a better deal." Well, how-- what--how exactly are you going to negotiate that? What magic wand do you have? And usually, the answer is he doesn't have an answer."

13 states with the lowest unemployment rate--Ever. And he's just getting started.

There's your answer, loser.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at November 20, 2017 08:58 PM (Ndje9)

341 Cake girl cleavage plus wifi girl ass will boost the economy and/or bring more creepy gropers out of the shadows. Tits and ass make the world turn round and round. Same as it ever was.

Posted by: colfax mingo at November 20, 2017 09:06 PM (0n18S)

342 Just popping in....did I miss any tits?

Posted by: Bob at November 20, 2017 09:40 PM (n3hky)

343 I liked to call JEF Blammbo. Because that accurately reflected my contempt for Stanley Anne's firstborn.

Likely I got that name from someone here.

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