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And you think flinging poo is disgusting? I'm a monkey, I don't know any better, but this is worse!
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— Chad Felix Greene (@chadfelixg) November 14, 2017
One of the things that I and many around here despise about the progressives is their insularity. Any ideas that run counter to their orthodoxy are mocked and marginalized. Long-time commenter "Masturbatin' Pete" has a different take on Roy Moore, and it is one that we should consider. I don't happen to agree completely with him, but it's a well-considered point. [Click the link to read the entire thing] One thing though...I wish he would choose a more dignified nickname to use on the blog. It's childish and crude, and really doesn't belong on a smart military blog such as AoSHQ.
1/ I shall now say a combination of things about Roy Moore that should irritate pretty much anyone who isn't me. I'll begin by saying that my perspective is shaped by my work as a civil litigator and criminal defense attorney. First: I think the accusations are credible.
— TurkeyStuffin'🦃Pete (@MasturbatinPete) November 10, 2017
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Ill call the others
Posted by: rickb223 at November 15, 2017 11:28 AM (4Hf9E)
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What will you call them?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 15, 2017 11:28 AM (gIRsn)
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Corgis called
Posted by: rickb223 at November 15, 2017 11:29 AM (4Hf9E)
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Willowed post
460
If you are going to be in El Paso be sure to go by Dicky's BBQ pit. best BBQ sauce in the USA.
460
If you are going to be in El Paso be sure to go by Dicky's BBQ pit. best BBQ sauce in the USA.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 15, 2017 11:29 AM (mpXpK)
5
Punk Apes ear gauges look like mortar tubes.
Posted by: Under Fire at November 15, 2017 11:31 AM (r9UYA)
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I'm sorry but the stories are not credible.
Credible how?
In what way are they credible?
They're not.
Credible how?
In what way are they credible?
They're not.
Posted by: Kreplach at November 15, 2017 11:31 AM (2JcMg)
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civil litigator and criminal defense attorney who self-identifies as masturbating pete.
The internet is a dangerous, seductive place.
The internet is a dangerous, seductive place.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse, Unperson at November 15, 2017 11:32 AM (4XCge)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 15, 2017 11:33 AM (wYseH)
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I'm sorry but the stories are not credible.
Credible how?
In what way are they credible?
They're not.
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I guess they're credible if you operate from the position that a woman would NEVER dare lie about these things.
Credible how?
In what way are they credible?
They're not.
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I guess they're credible if you operate from the position that a woman would NEVER dare lie about these things.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at November 15, 2017 11:33 AM (vg8iE)
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First, the fingernails. Seriously?
And Dildo and Masturbatin' are entirely appropriate for this smart military blog.
And Dildo and Masturbatin' are entirely appropriate for this smart military blog.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 15, 2017 11:34 AM (PY9jH)
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I think these accusations of bad behavior by Moore are possible but not credible and definitely not proven, and are unlikely to ever be provable.
I think these accusations of bad behavior by Moore are possible but not credible and definitely not proven, and are unlikely to ever be provable.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse, Unperson at November 15, 2017 11:34 AM (4XCge)
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If the accusations are credible, then evidence should be forthcoming toot sweet, non?
Posted by: rickb223 at November 15, 2017 11:35 AM (4Hf9E)
Posted by: fixerupper at November 15, 2017 11:36 AM (8XRCm)
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So when the GOP (that has sold conservatives out again again)
kowtows to the demands of the liberal media without even putting up the
slightest opposition, I do not blame them for telling them to fuck off.
Not at all. Moore may be bad, but surrender is worse. ~~~FIN~~~
THIS
kowtows to the demands of the liberal media without even putting up the
slightest opposition, I do not blame them for telling them to fuck off.
Not at all. Moore may be bad, but surrender is worse. ~~~FIN~~~
THIS
Posted by: Lizzy at November 15, 2017 11:36 AM (W+vEI)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 15, 2017 11:36 AM (PY9jH)
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>>A thread about Masturbatin Pete written by coblogger Charlie Browns Dildo.
What could go wrong.
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Dunno, maybe a Cat Ass Trophy?
What could go wrong.
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Dunno, maybe a Cat Ass Trophy?
Posted by: Lizzy at November 15, 2017 11:37 AM (W+vEI)
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civil litigator and criminal defense attorney who self-identifies as masturbating pete. ......
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Shouldn't that be "Fuck Everybody Else First Francois"??
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Shouldn't that be "Fuck Everybody Else First Francois"??
Posted by: fixerupper at November 15, 2017 11:37 AM (8XRCm)
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@8
Yes I read it.
He does not make the case for why we should believe the accusers all he's got is that it's icky to for a 30 year old to bang teenagers.
That's it.
There's no there-there.
Yes I read it.
He does not make the case for why we should believe the accusers all he's got is that it's icky to for a 30 year old to bang teenagers.
That's it.
There's no there-there.
Posted by: Kreplach at November 15, 2017 11:37 AM (2JcMg)
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Diane "I was against illegal immigration before I was for it" Feinstien.
My oh my, how far you've come.
My oh my, how far you've come.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at November 15, 2017 11:38 AM (bB4HN)
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at November 15, 2017 11:39 AM (ul9CR)
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He does not make the case for why we should believe the accusers all he's got is that it's icky to for a 30 year old to bang teenagers.
Without any proof it ever happened.
Without any proof it ever happened.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 15, 2017 11:39 AM (4Hf9E)
Posted by: Rick in SK at November 15, 2017 11:39 AM (FZYNt)
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One could also put together a devastating group of clips of Dems' stand on SSM from pre-2012. These people today would think JFK was a Nazi.
Posted by: Lizzy at November 15, 2017 11:39 AM (W+vEI)
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8 Posted by: Kreplach at November 15, 2017 11:31 AM (2JcMg)
Did you read the whole thing?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 15, 2017 11:33 AM (wYseH)
What whole thing? I see one Twitter thing
Did you read the whole thing?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 15, 2017 11:33 AM (wYseH)
What whole thing? I see one Twitter thing
Posted by: grammie winger - How many days till Spring Training? at November 15, 2017 11:39 AM (4VKUh)
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Oh good.
People's Sexiest Men in Media: George Snuffalupagus, David Muir, Anderson Cooper, Chris Cuomo, Van Jones and Charles Blow.
Shep Smith must be beside himself.
People's Sexiest Men in Media: George Snuffalupagus, David Muir, Anderson Cooper, Chris Cuomo, Van Jones and Charles Blow.
Shep Smith must be beside himself.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 15, 2017 11:40 AM (PY9jH)
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I'm in the total BS camp until hard evidence is produced.
Posted by: Under Fire at November 15, 2017 11:40 AM (r9UYA)
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People's Sexiest Men in Media: George Snuffalupagus, David Muir, Anderson Cooper, Chris Cuomo, Van Jones and Charles Blow.
Shep Smith must be beside himself.
Maddow hardest hit.
Shep Smith must be beside himself.
Maddow hardest hit.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at November 15, 2017 11:40 AM (ul9CR)
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Cheeky monkey.
Posted by: Insomniac - El Perdedor at November 15, 2017 11:41 AM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 15, 2017 11:41 AM (PY9jH)
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Oh good.
People's Sexiest Men in Media: George Snuffalupagus, David Muir, Anderson Cooper, Chris Cuomo, Van Jones and Charles Blow.
Shep Smith must be beside himself.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 15, 2017 11:40 AM (PY9jH)
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"OH, MY!"
People's Sexiest Men in Media: George Snuffalupagus, David Muir, Anderson Cooper, Chris Cuomo, Van Jones and Charles Blow.
Shep Smith must be beside himself.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 15, 2017 11:40 AM (PY9jH)
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"OH, MY!"
Posted by: G. Takei at November 15, 2017 11:41 AM (suO/a)
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27
People's Sexiest Men in Media: George Snuffalupagus, David Muir, Anderson Cooper, Chris Cuomo, Van Jones and Charles Blow.
Shep Smith must be beside himself.
Maddow hardest hit.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at November 15, 2017 11:40 AM (ul9CR)
Hardest hit? Who took one for the team?
People's Sexiest Men in Media: George Snuffalupagus, David Muir, Anderson Cooper, Chris Cuomo, Van Jones and Charles Blow.
Shep Smith must be beside himself.
Maddow hardest hit.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at November 15, 2017 11:40 AM (ul9CR)
Hardest hit? Who took one for the team?
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 15, 2017 11:41 AM (jxbfJ)
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10 First, the fingernails. Seriously?
And Dildo and Masturbatin' are entirely appropriate for this smart military blog.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 15, 2017 11:34 AM (PY9jH)
The things you read at Ace's, and are perfectly okay with.
: )
And Dildo and Masturbatin' are entirely appropriate for this smart military blog.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 15, 2017 11:34 AM (PY9jH)
The things you read at Ace's, and are perfectly okay with.
: )
Posted by: moki at November 15, 2017 11:41 AM (V+V48)
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I see one Twitter thing
Posted by: grammie winger - How many days till Spring Training? at November 15, 2017 11:39 AM (4VKUh)
Click on it and it will take you to Twitter and the whole string.
It's worth a read....
Posted by: grammie winger - How many days till Spring Training? at November 15, 2017 11:39 AM (4VKUh)
Click on it and it will take you to Twitter and the whole string.
It's worth a read....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 15, 2017 11:42 AM (wYseH)
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One tweet is the whole thing? I'm getting anxious and confused
Posted by: grammie winger - How many days till Spring Training? at November 15, 2017 11:42 AM (4VKUh)
Posted by: Rick in SK at November 15, 2017 11:42 AM (FZYNt)
Posted by: The Chicken at November 15, 2017 11:42 AM (8XRCm)
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All y'all have dumb nics.
Posted by: Holden Cox at November 15, 2017 11:42 AM (sGSvK)
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If Moore was smart, he would've just driven them into a river and let them drown. Then they'd make him the "Lion of the Senate". That's how it works, right?
Posted by: tu3031 at November 15, 2017 11:42 AM (O5Q3r)
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Pete is an attorney? I wonder if he gets to masturbate in front of all those cute secretaries.
Posted by: Louis C.K. at November 15, 2017 11:42 AM (HgMAr)
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Old and busted -- Pull my finger
The new hotness -- Squeeze my finger
Feinstein looked a lot better 30 years ago.
The new hotness -- Squeeze my finger
Feinstein looked a lot better 30 years ago.
Posted by: GnuBreed at November 15, 2017 11:42 AM (0ogQG)
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Uranus probes on stun, Mr. Chekov!
Posted by: Sulu at November 15, 2017 11:42 AM (vtcmf)
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What whole thing? I see one Twitter thing
Posted by: grammie winger - How many days till Spring Training? at November 15, 2017 11:39 AM (4VKUh)
If you click on it, it takes you to the whole twitter thread. It's a good read.
What whole thing? I see one Twitter thing
Posted by: grammie winger - How many days till Spring Training? at November 15, 2017 11:39 AM (4VKUh)
If you click on it, it takes you to the whole twitter thread. It's a good read.
Posted by: moki at November 15, 2017 11:42 AM (V+V48)
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garrett, had a nice 6-point (Western count) trot across the road in front of me this morning.
The players are out in force trying to impress the ladies, of which there are many.
The players are out in force trying to impress the ladies, of which there are many.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 15, 2017 11:42 AM (ctuyM)
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The things you read at Ace's, and are perfectly okay with.
: )
Posted by: moki at November 15, 2017 11:41 AM (V+V4
I know, right?
The things you read at Ace's, and are perfectly okay with.
: )
Posted by: moki at November 15, 2017 11:41 AM (V+V4
I know, right?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 15, 2017 11:42 AM (PY9jH)
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I think one should not stuff a turkey and masturbate at the same time. No to mention twitting.
Posted by: RioBravo at November 15, 2017 11:43 AM (5NMZN)
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Next trend: Bubo tattoos.
Posted by: Not Contagious at November 15, 2017 11:43 AM (D5uQK)
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Diane "I was against illegal immigration before I was for it" Feinstien.
My oh my, how far you've come.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal
She has groan in office.
Diane "I was against illegal immigration before I was for it" Feinstien.
My oh my, how far you've come.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal
She has groan in office.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 15, 2017 11:43 AM (IqV8l)
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9 I'm sorry but the stories are not credible.
Credible how?
In what way are they credible?
They're not.
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I guess they're credible if you operate from the position that a woman would NEVER dare lie about these things.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at November 15, 2017 11:33 AM (vg8iE)
Other than ipse dixit, he doesn't make the case for WHY he finds the one lady's accusations credible. Just that he finds them to be so.
Credible how?
In what way are they credible?
They're not.
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I guess they're credible if you operate from the position that a woman would NEVER dare lie about these things.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at November 15, 2017 11:33 AM (vg8iE)
Other than ipse dixit, he doesn't make the case for WHY he finds the one lady's accusations credible. Just that he finds them to be so.
Posted by: Insomniac - El Perdedor at November 15, 2017 11:43 AM (NWiLs)
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CBD - that would really cut into my slothfulness.
Posted by: grammie winger - How many days till Spring Training? at November 15, 2017 11:43 AM (4VKUh)
Posted by: Peter North at November 15, 2017 11:43 AM (FZYNt)
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Once the behavior has been established, it unfortunately gives credibility to accusations.
It's like Michael Jackson saying yes, he did have sleepovers with young boys, but no he didn't fondle them.
I'm in the camp that thinks the assault or attempted rape stuff is probably exaggerated, that these relationships were likely 100% consensual. But then your left explaining why you were doing with someone that age in the first place and everyone is already disgusted by it, particularly from someone who holds themselves out as some moral warrior.
Moore should have either denied everything or said it was an unfortunate part of his wild past from 40 years ago and he found religion. Instead he's conceding parts and denying others and now the floodgates have busted loose.
Either Moore is the victim of the biggest conspiracy in the history of Senate politics or there's something to all the smoke. McConnell isn't this smart or capable to fake all of this.
It's like Michael Jackson saying yes, he did have sleepovers with young boys, but no he didn't fondle them.
I'm in the camp that thinks the assault or attempted rape stuff is probably exaggerated, that these relationships were likely 100% consensual. But then your left explaining why you were doing with someone that age in the first place and everyone is already disgusted by it, particularly from someone who holds themselves out as some moral warrior.
Moore should have either denied everything or said it was an unfortunate part of his wild past from 40 years ago and he found religion. Instead he's conceding parts and denying others and now the floodgates have busted loose.
Either Moore is the victim of the biggest conspiracy in the history of Senate politics or there's something to all the smoke. McConnell isn't this smart or capable to fake all of this.
Posted by: Maritime at November 15, 2017 11:43 AM (lKmt3)
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>>People's Sexiest Men in Media: George Snuffalupagus, David Muir, Anderson Cooper, Chris Cuomo, Van Jones and Charles Blow.
Oh, gag me with a spoon!
Oh, gag me with a spoon!
Posted by: Lizzy at November 15, 2017 11:44 AM (W+vEI)
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34 One tweet is the whole thing? I'm getting anxious and confused
Posted by: grammie winger - How many days till Spring Training? at November 15, 2017 11:42 AM (4VKUh)
No, there's like 21 parts to it.
Posted by: grammie winger - How many days till Spring Training? at November 15, 2017 11:42 AM (4VKUh)
No, there's like 21 parts to it.
Posted by: Insomniac - El Perdedor at November 15, 2017 11:44 AM (NWiLs)
Posted by: moki at November 15, 2017 11:44 AM (V+V48)
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Moore is at the mercy of a protracted D.C. and MFM establishment smear campaign.
This is what we should expect when we try to drain the swamp. It's not just Trump that needs to drain it but the voters as well.
People with power will not let go easily.
This is what we should expect when we try to drain the swamp. It's not just Trump that needs to drain it but the voters as well.
People with power will not let go easily.
Posted by: Soona at November 15, 2017 11:44 AM (ZAAkQ)
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>>You can always come here and get all the road kill you can carry.
Yeah. The section my land is in closes early to allow the Mulies to Rut.
I haven't been seeing any Whitetails chasing yet...but they could already be locked up?
Yeah. The section my land is in closes early to allow the Mulies to Rut.
I haven't been seeing any Whitetails chasing yet...but they could already be locked up?
Posted by: garrett at November 15, 2017 11:44 AM (eCLUN)
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>>I think one should not stuff a turkey and masturbate at the same time. No to mention twitting.
Did you ever hear the Wilfred Brimley skit on Imus years ago about stuffing a turkey? Gotta see if I can find it.
Friggin hysterical.
Did you ever hear the Wilfred Brimley skit on Imus years ago about stuffing a turkey? Gotta see if I can find it.
Friggin hysterical.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 15, 2017 11:44 AM (/tuJf)
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It might be a good read, but the "14 year old's statement is credible" is weird, because without any *proof* it's not credible in any way.
Unless of course lawyers use the word credible in a way that is not the way normal humans use the word credible.
Unless of course lawyers use the word credible in a way that is not the way normal humans use the word credible.
Posted by: GMan (My kingdom for 10 feet of rope and some torches) at November 15, 2017 11:45 AM (sxq57)
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10 First, the fingernails. Seriously?
And Dildo and Masturbatin' are entirely appropriate for this smart military blog.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 15, 2017 11:34 AM (PY9jH)
But Bea Arthur's Dick is over the line!
And Dildo and Masturbatin' are entirely appropriate for this smart military blog.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 15, 2017 11:34 AM (PY9jH)
But Bea Arthur's Dick is over the line!
Posted by: josephistan at November 15, 2017 11:45 AM (7HtZB)
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We feel better about ourselves each and every day.
Posted by: The Salem Witch Trial Judges at November 15, 2017 11:45 AM (vtcmf)
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The thing about the Judge Moore situation that irritates me the most...
Was that all of the Washington GOPe insiders HAD to comment.
When asked, all they had to say was 'I'm not a Court of Law, nor am I a Voter in that STATE... now, lets talk about Tax reform...'
But not... like Sessionzzzzzz they HAD to side with the Woman... they HAD to say her story was credible, EVEN WHEN THEY PROBABLY KNOW NOTHING MORE THAN MSM ACCOUNTS.
Was that all of the Washington GOPe insiders HAD to comment.
When asked, all they had to say was 'I'm not a Court of Law, nor am I a Voter in that STATE... now, lets talk about Tax reform...'
But not... like Sessionzzzzzz they HAD to side with the Woman... they HAD to say her story was credible, EVEN WHEN THEY PROBABLY KNOW NOTHING MORE THAN MSM ACCOUNTS.
Posted by: Don Q., Arcanist at November 15, 2017 11:45 AM (NgKpN)
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The stepson's position on the Allred-groomed Moore accuser is interesting, because he lived with her for years, while all of Moore's other controversial events have occurred. During that entire time, she didn't make an offhanded comment that Moore is a creep who once did these things and can't be trusted? Not even around the dinner table?
On one hand, as a stepson he might just flat out hate her, but I think the entire thing is concocted.
On one hand, as a stepson he might just flat out hate her, but I think the entire thing is concocted.
Posted by: grognard at November 15, 2017 11:45 AM (/29Nl)
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People's Sexiest Men in Media: George Snuffalupagus, David Muir, Anderson Cooper, Chris Cuomo, Van Jones and Charles Blow.
Hey, they're all on my list, too. Just not the Sexiest Men in Media list, that's all.
Hey, they're all on my list, too. Just not the Sexiest Men in Media list, that's all.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 15, 2017 11:46 AM (FIdOt)
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When I graduated high school in '81, I had my physiology teacher sign my yearbook. He wrote -- and I quote -- "I hope you learned something about your body. I sure did!!"
It was a completely harmless comment, but boy howdy, if I didn't like this guy, what fun I could have today, eh?
How times have changed. A teacher today wouldn't dare write something like that in any student's yearbook today, joking around or not.
It was a completely harmless comment, but boy howdy, if I didn't like this guy, what fun I could have today, eh?
How times have changed. A teacher today wouldn't dare write something like that in any student's yearbook today, joking around or not.
Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at November 15, 2017 11:46 AM (mQ0Mc)
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I was thumbing through a memory book about one our patients here the other day.
The man had been imprisoned for 12 years for writing a bad check (late 60's). He was black.
In the book there was an article which was printed on the front page of the Cleveland Plain Dealer in 1972. It detailed the injustices this man faced regarding this bad check conviction/imprisonment.
The second injustice item listed in the article, printed on the front page of a major newspaper was "That he can be punished behind bars for objecting to forced association with homosexuals."
My, my, my. What was once derided as an injustice against a wrongfully imprisoned black man would now be the worst form of bigotry.
The man had been imprisoned for 12 years for writing a bad check (late 60's). He was black.
In the book there was an article which was printed on the front page of the Cleveland Plain Dealer in 1972. It detailed the injustices this man faced regarding this bad check conviction/imprisonment.
The second injustice item listed in the article, printed on the front page of a major newspaper was "That he can be punished behind bars for objecting to forced association with homosexuals."
My, my, my. What was once derided as an injustice against a wrongfully imprisoned black man would now be the worst form of bigotry.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at November 15, 2017 11:46 AM (vg8iE)
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This here turkey has diabeetus!
Posted by: Zombie Wilfor Brimley at November 15, 2017 11:46 AM (vtcmf)
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Unfortunately, the entire State is carved into Regions and each of those into Zones/Districts.
Where I was yesterday I can only shoot a Cow Elk or a whitetail Buck (there are like 3 in the whole district).
I could have killed any number of Mule Deer with a fucking rock, though. Walked up to 12 yards from a 160 inch Mulie Buck. He never knew I was there.
Where I was yesterday I can only shoot a Cow Elk or a whitetail Buck (there are like 3 in the whole district).
I could have killed any number of Mule Deer with a fucking rock, though. Walked up to 12 yards from a 160 inch Mulie Buck. He never knew I was there.
Posted by: garrett at November 15, 2017 11:47 AM (eCLUN)
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If the accusations are credible, then evidence should be forthcoming toot sweet, non?
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credible and provable are distinct things.
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credible and provable are distinct things.
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at November 15, 2017 11:47 AM (oGRue)
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I still think the best path forward is to elect Roy to the senate and see how the litigation of these charges plays out. The upside is more GOPe taking off their masks. The downside is the possible addition of one more rapist to the senate.
Posted by: X-ray at November 15, 2017 11:47 AM (qCyRm)
Posted by: fixerupper at November 15, 2017 11:47 AM (8XRCm)
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30 People's Sexiest Men in Media: George Snuffalupagus,...
It has recently come out that ole Georgie took a little trip on the Lolita Express to Pedo Isle, with none other than Bubba Clinton, though Insty commented on it back in 2015:
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/206994/
It has recently come out that ole Georgie took a little trip on the Lolita Express to Pedo Isle, with none other than Bubba Clinton, though Insty commented on it back in 2015:
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/206994/
Posted by: GnuBreed at November 15, 2017 11:47 AM (0ogQG)
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I'm just going to camp out on my "hit job" claim until something concrete rolls by. Maybe Carville can find something else, provided he still has a twenty dollar bill.
Posted by: grammie winger - How many days till Spring Training? at November 15, 2017 11:47 AM (4VKUh)
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WhooHooo!!! That Feinstein sure was a looker back in the day!!
One helluva earth momma muff!!
I'm still spittin pubes!!
LolZ!!!!
One helluva earth momma muff!!
I'm still spittin pubes!!
LolZ!!!!
Posted by: Uncle Joey B. at November 15, 2017 11:47 AM (7korf)
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People's Sexiest Men in Media: George Snuffalupagus, David Muir, Anderson Cooper, Chris Cuomo, Van Jones and Charles Blow.
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And they probably all fuck each other.
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And they probably all fuck each other.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at November 15, 2017 11:47 AM (vg8iE)
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I'm not particularly into Moore myself, but I am more certain of a Timed Hit Job than I am of Moore's probable guilt.
I don't want to be attached to a molester more than anybody else does, but I'm in agreement with some of the earlier posters in this and other threads:
Please 'splain to me how these accusations are credible or likely?
Specifics, please.
What exactly is so credible?
I don't want to be attached to a molester more than anybody else does, but I'm in agreement with some of the earlier posters in this and other threads:
Please 'splain to me how these accusations are credible or likely?
Specifics, please.
What exactly is so credible?
Posted by: Oedipus at November 15, 2017 11:47 AM (yta7R)
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Hi, Simian Threadists.
I only just now found the Return of the Muldoon in the Morning Report. And talking about returning with a vengeance! Abstinance must make the fount grow harder, or something.
I may never get out of that thread.
I only just now found the Return of the Muldoon in the Morning Report. And talking about returning with a vengeance! Abstinance must make the fount grow harder, or something.
I may never get out of that thread.
Posted by: mindful webworker's so far behind at November 15, 2017 11:48 AM (2E/Tt)
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am i supposed to read pete's twitter, Is that where the argument is?
srsly i'm reading but it has many comments that don't tie in, is it an essay or just comments gathered ?
srsly i'm reading but it has many comments that don't tie in, is it an essay or just comments gathered ?
Posted by: willow at November 15, 2017 11:48 AM (Zmz55)
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55 Moore is at the mercy of a protracted D.C. and MFM establishment smear campaign.
This is what we should expect when we try to drain the swamp. It's not just Trump that needs to drain it but the voters as well.
People with power will not let go easily.
Posted by: Soona at November 15, 2017 11:44 AM (ZAAkQ)
Why won't some enterprising reporter ask HILLARY if the Woman should automatically be believed?
This is what we should expect when we try to drain the swamp. It's not just Trump that needs to drain it but the voters as well.
People with power will not let go easily.
Posted by: Soona at November 15, 2017 11:44 AM (ZAAkQ)
Why won't some enterprising reporter ask HILLARY if the Woman should automatically be believed?
Posted by: Don Q. at November 15, 2017 11:48 AM (NgKpN)
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I think these accusations of bad behavior by Moore are possible but not credible and definitely not proven, and are unlikely to ever be provable.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse, Unperson at November 15, 2017 11:34 AM (4XCge)
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I tend to agree.
When somebody is coming forward for the first time with an accusation decades after the alleged event, that fact alone makes me view the accusation with heightened skepticism.
Memories are very malleable things. They can be created, altered, etc., without our even being aware that it is happening -- especially over very long periods of time.
Without some corroboration of these two accusers' stories -- and it is only two who have alleged illegal touching -- I can't say I find them credible. The accuser who alleges molestation at age 14 has already had one of the key details of her story (the part about taking Moore's call on the phone in her bedroom) contradicted by her own mother. The other accuser, the waitress, has offered nothing but a 40-year old inscription in a yearbook, in two different ink colors, to prove her claim. Even if that inscription is Moore's, it proves nothing more than that he signed her yearbook; it does not prove that he sexually assaulted her.
The Dims and the GOPe are going to have to come up with something more compelling than this if they want to undo the Alabama voters' selection of the Republican candidate they want.
I think these accusations of bad behavior by Moore are possible but not credible and definitely not proven, and are unlikely to ever be provable.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse, Unperson at November 15, 2017 11:34 AM (4XCge)
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I tend to agree.
When somebody is coming forward for the first time with an accusation decades after the alleged event, that fact alone makes me view the accusation with heightened skepticism.
Memories are very malleable things. They can be created, altered, etc., without our even being aware that it is happening -- especially over very long periods of time.
Without some corroboration of these two accusers' stories -- and it is only two who have alleged illegal touching -- I can't say I find them credible. The accuser who alleges molestation at age 14 has already had one of the key details of her story (the part about taking Moore's call on the phone in her bedroom) contradicted by her own mother. The other accuser, the waitress, has offered nothing but a 40-year old inscription in a yearbook, in two different ink colors, to prove her claim. Even if that inscription is Moore's, it proves nothing more than that he signed her yearbook; it does not prove that he sexually assaulted her.
The Dims and the GOPe are going to have to come up with something more compelling than this if they want to undo the Alabama voters' selection of the Republican candidate they want.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at November 15, 2017 11:48 AM (BXf9o)
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>>Did you ever hear the Wilfred Brimley skit on Imus years ago about stuffing a turkey? Gotta see if I can find it.
'Mom would put my oatmeal in a Thermos...'
'Mom would put my oatmeal in a Thermos...'
Posted by: Wilfred Brimley at November 15, 2017 11:48 AM (eCLUN)
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credible and provable are distinct things.
Ah so it *is* a lawyer to use a word to mean something that it doesn't really mean to anyone else.
Ah so it *is* a lawyer to use a word to mean something that it doesn't really mean to anyone else.
Posted by: GMan (My kingdom for 10 feet of rope and some torches) at November 15, 2017 11:48 AM (sxq57)
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I've read the supposed 14-year-old (who may have been 17 then) also claimed three Pastors sexually assaulted her too. Yeah. All the important men in town couldn't keep their hands off of her.
BTW, for the supposedly more-credible 17-year-old's claim, her stepson says she's lying.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y9o8depa
(Includes video but has a full written report too.)
BTW, for the supposedly more-credible 17-year-old's claim, her stepson says she's lying.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y9o8depa
(Includes video but has a full written report too.)
Posted by: andycanuck at November 15, 2017 11:48 AM (mJ8mX)
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did allred state litigation is forthcoming?
Posted by: willow at November 15, 2017 11:48 AM (Zmz55)
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Moore said his people are investigating who got paid and when. This is a DNC/GOPe hit job.
Posted by: Under Fire at November 15, 2017 11:49 AM (r9UYA)
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78 am i supposed to read pete's twitter, Is that where the argument is?
Less readin', more masturbatin'.
Less readin', more masturbatin'.
Posted by: Insomniac - El Perdedor at November 15, 2017 11:49 AM (NWiLs)
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Masturbatin' Pete is right about everything in his twitter thread: the allegations look bad even if they're embellished, but people are in such a mood that they're going to stick by their buy in order to get back at the establishment. And that's not good for anybody.
Oh, and transported from the art thread, because I'm secretly a masochist:
491 I deeply and profoundly apologize to anybody I insult with the following spasm of grammar naziness:
1. "IMMINENT domain" is wrong. "Imminent domain" would be domain that is coming Real Soon.
2. "EMINENT domain" is the phrase you're looking for.
I apologize and hang my head in shame for caring.
Posted by: joncelli, predenounced for your pleasure at November 15, 2017 11:37 AM (RD7QR)
Oh, and transported from the art thread, because I'm secretly a masochist:
491 I deeply and profoundly apologize to anybody I insult with the following spasm of grammar naziness:
1. "IMMINENT domain" is wrong. "Imminent domain" would be domain that is coming Real Soon.
2. "EMINENT domain" is the phrase you're looking for.
I apologize and hang my head in shame for caring.
Posted by: joncelli, predenounced for your pleasure at November 15, 2017 11:37 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: joncelli, predenounced for your pleasure at November 15, 2017 11:49 AM (RD7QR)
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>>>>I think these accusations of bad behavior by Moore are possible but not credible and definitely not proven, and are unlikely to ever be provable.
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.And that is exactly why he needs to ignore them and not get baited into discussing the merits of each case. This nonsense about him *proving* his innocence is a trap and they are trying to set him up.
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.And that is exactly why he needs to ignore them and not get baited into discussing the merits of each case. This nonsense about him *proving* his innocence is a trap and they are trying to set him up.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 15, 2017 11:49 AM (+Dllb)
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38; the bridge and drunkeness, don't forget the key parts of that shit. bridges are a drunken demonrats' best friend when you're driving an oldsmobile, with a knocked up side job. "lion of the senate" my ass. fat, drunken, degenerate, inbred, rapist is more like it. if the kennedys' are our royal family, this country may as well flush twice.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at November 15, 2017 11:49 AM (KP5rU)
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Other than ipse dixit, he doesn't make the case for WHY he finds the one lady's accusations credible. Just that he finds them to be so.
Posted by: Insomniac - El Perdedor at November 15, 2017 11:43 AM (NWiLs)
Is it looking at the case as to its merits in trial? The main reason this is being taken seriously is because of the accusations and disclosures coming out of Hollywood. So many men (and probably women) were involved in sexual misconduct that the "atmosphere" in a court room would favor the female accuser over the male defendant.
I honestly don't know what to think about this case. My first instinct is that this is the Dem party and RINO's capitalizing on the current "MeToo" furor. It is actually a wily political move in the current climate. But I am also not really a fan of Moore. I couldn't tell you why, it's simply a gut instinct thing. I get the same feeling about Biden. So, I guess I would be excused for a jury.
Other than ipse dixit, he doesn't make the case for WHY he finds the one lady's accusations credible. Just that he finds them to be so.
Posted by: Insomniac - El Perdedor at November 15, 2017 11:43 AM (NWiLs)
Is it looking at the case as to its merits in trial? The main reason this is being taken seriously is because of the accusations and disclosures coming out of Hollywood. So many men (and probably women) were involved in sexual misconduct that the "atmosphere" in a court room would favor the female accuser over the male defendant.
I honestly don't know what to think about this case. My first instinct is that this is the Dem party and RINO's capitalizing on the current "MeToo" furor. It is actually a wily political move in the current climate. But I am also not really a fan of Moore. I couldn't tell you why, it's simply a gut instinct thing. I get the same feeling about Biden. So, I guess I would be excused for a jury.
Posted by: moki at November 15, 2017 11:49 AM (V+V48)
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I agree with Masturbatin' Pete in his entirety. Moore is being hung out to dry by a lefty establishment that won't apply the same standards to Democrats they apply so readily to Rethuglicans. The GOPe, as usual, is aiding and abetting.
This leaves us in the uncomfortable position of supporting Moore only because the WaPo hanging party is so frickin unjust. Moore is, by all accounts, a different man today, apparently, than he was 35 years ago (at least, he doesn't chase younger women anymore) and he has-- so far -- never been shown to have violated his marriage vows.
He is also not accused by any of these women of rape, and not even of forcing sexual contact , except by the Allred woman and I rank her (for a variety of reasons) as the least credible of all the women talking so far about Moore.
He's getting railroaded. The GOPe hates him anyway, so they're going along with it.
This leaves us in the uncomfortable position of supporting Moore only because the WaPo hanging party is so frickin unjust. Moore is, by all accounts, a different man today, apparently, than he was 35 years ago (at least, he doesn't chase younger women anymore) and he has-- so far -- never been shown to have violated his marriage vows.
He is also not accused by any of these women of rape, and not even of forcing sexual contact , except by the Allred woman and I rank her (for a variety of reasons) as the least credible of all the women talking so far about Moore.
He's getting railroaded. The GOPe hates him anyway, so they're going along with it.
Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at November 15, 2017 11:49 AM (LISuA)
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No one seems to care that this election is about the people of Alabama choosing a Senator who reflects their policy views.
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at November 15, 2017 11:49 AM (oGRue)
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18 - I think some of them are credible for a couple of reasons:
1. Some of them make allegations that are (for me at least) relatively innocuous, like the gal who says they dated once or twice, with her mother's enthusiastic approval, when she was 17 and Moore was 34. That accuser said that in retrospect she realized the age difference made it inappropriate. But that's it. If you are going to fabricate allegations from the distant past for political reasons, seems like you could come up with something far more damaging.
2. Moore in his Hannity interview more or less conceded that the less damaging allegations could be true. Of the gal above, he said that he did not recall dating her, but indicated it was within the realm of possibility. When asked if he dated teens at that time, he responded that he did not generally do so, which sounds like an indirect concession that he did so on at least one or more occasions.
1. Some of them make allegations that are (for me at least) relatively innocuous, like the gal who says they dated once or twice, with her mother's enthusiastic approval, when she was 17 and Moore was 34. That accuser said that in retrospect she realized the age difference made it inappropriate. But that's it. If you are going to fabricate allegations from the distant past for political reasons, seems like you could come up with something far more damaging.
2. Moore in his Hannity interview more or less conceded that the less damaging allegations could be true. Of the gal above, he said that he did not recall dating her, but indicated it was within the realm of possibility. When asked if he dated teens at that time, he responded that he did not generally do so, which sounds like an indirect concession that he did so on at least one or more occasions.
Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at November 15, 2017 11:49 AM (VJ4aP)
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MUST LISTEN: Sen. Dianne Feinstein in a 1994 interview urging that we must secure our borders because illegal aliens compete for housing and classroom space. Do these problems no longer exist, Senator?
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So bewildering - did she really believe that then and then got "turned" since that time? Or was she simply lying to preserve her seat?
LBJ and Ted Kennedy had set the Democrat agenda in the mid sixties. It's hard to believe she wasn't aware of that.
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So bewildering - did she really believe that then and then got "turned" since that time? Or was she simply lying to preserve her seat?
LBJ and Ted Kennedy had set the Democrat agenda in the mid sixties. It's hard to believe she wasn't aware of that.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 15, 2017 11:49 AM (/qEW2)
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I think the critical point re Moore is that at this remove, he has no defense. How do you prove you didn't do something 40 years ago? The accuser bears the burden of proof, and she has the same problem, engaging weasel-face Allred notwithstanding.
This is, of course, why for most crimes there is a statute of limitations.
My take: it's a hit job, straight up. The timing, the nature of the allegations (in the heat of a sexual impropriety bonfire of the vanities amongst Democrat bagmen, this comes up, just in time for an election), the impossibility of establishing anything either way ... it stinks.
This is, of course, why for most crimes there is a statute of limitations.
My take: it's a hit job, straight up. The timing, the nature of the allegations (in the heat of a sexual impropriety bonfire of the vanities amongst Democrat bagmen, this comes up, just in time for an election), the impossibility of establishing anything either way ... it stinks.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 15, 2017 11:50 AM (FIdOt)
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People's Sexiest Men in Media: George Snuffalupagus, David Muir, Anderson Cooper, Chris Cuomo, Van Jones and Charles Blow.
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*** checks dictionary definition of men ***
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Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at November 15, 2017 11:50 AM (oGRue)
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One of the quotes that struck me listening to Levin the other night was Pete King saying that Moore has to prove his innocence, or else step down.
Prove that he didn't do something 40 years ago. Or else the absence of contrary proof is proof that he did do it. Even if that's how the justice system worked, and thank God it isn't... that's not how "proof" works, you wretch.
Prove that he didn't do something 40 years ago. Or else the absence of contrary proof is proof that he did do it. Even if that's how the justice system worked, and thank God it isn't... that's not how "proof" works, you wretch.
Posted by: hogmartin at November 15, 2017 11:50 AM (y87Qq)
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People's Sexiest Men in Media: George Snuffalupagus, David Muir, Anderson Cooper, Chris Cuomo, Van Jones and Charles Blow.
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And they probably all fuck each other.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at November 15, 2017 11:47 AM (vg8iE)
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What about me?
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And they probably all fuck each other.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at November 15, 2017 11:47 AM (vg8iE)
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What about me?
Posted by: David Corn at November 15, 2017 11:50 AM (HgMAr)
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At this point, I feel somewhat sorry for Roy Moore. He, like me, could have had a scandal free tenure in public service. Poor choices, often made by those on the right, have caught up with him and just in the nick of time I might add....
*hic*
At this point, I feel somewhat sorry for Roy Moore. He, like me, could have had a scandal free tenure in public service. Poor choices, often made by those on the right, have caught up with him and just in the nick of time I might add....
*hic*
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at November 15, 2017 11:50 AM (0mskG)
Posted by: JackStraw at November 15, 2017 11:51 AM (/tuJf)
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How times have changed. A teacher today wouldn't dare write something like that in any student's yearbook today, joking around or not.
Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at November 15, 2017 11:46 AM (mQ0Mc)
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Yeah. Teaching in a minefield today must be fun !
Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at November 15, 2017 11:46 AM (mQ0Mc)
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Yeah. Teaching in a minefield today must be fun !
Posted by: RioBravo at November 15, 2017 11:51 AM (5NMZN)
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73 I'm just going to camp out on my "hit job" claim until something concrete rolls by. Maybe Carville can find something else, provided he still has a twenty dollar bill.
Posted by: grammie winger - How many days till Spring Training? at November 15, 2017 11:47 AM (4VKUh)
Well played, grammie!
Posted by: grammie winger - How many days till Spring Training? at November 15, 2017 11:47 AM (4VKUh)
Well played, grammie!
Posted by: moki at November 15, 2017 11:51 AM (V+V48)
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Seriously?
"But I also find these allegations credible, and while not illegal, they do show that Moore is a moral train wreck."
That's literally all this guys has?
"But I also find these allegations credible, and while not illegal, they do show that Moore is a moral train wreck."
That's literally all this guys has?
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 15, 2017 11:51 AM (+Dllb)
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I'd like some of that shit.
Posted by: Don Lemon with masking tape on his forehead at November 15, 2017 11:51 AM (HgMAr)
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What j/o Pete thinks is irrelevant. Forty years after the fact? Not buying it. Not to mention that the 17/18 year old girls never claimed to having had sex with Moore. Let's keep our stories straight, shall we?
And no, power windows and door locks were ONLY found on luxury cars like Lincolns and Cadillacs back in the '70s, period.
And another thing that makes these stories smell is that, again, Moore has been deeply involved in Alabama state politics for decades. And if he really had a reputation for bird-dogging teenage girls back in the day, trolling malls or the like for same, or whatever other contrived story the Establishment tries to gin up, you can bet your next bottle of Val-U-Rite that one of his opponents would have brought it up long ago to destroy him politically, not when he's one step away from the US Senate, where both the D-rats and GOPe hate his guts and would say or do anything to keep him out, as we are seeing here.
And no, power windows and door locks were ONLY found on luxury cars like Lincolns and Cadillacs back in the '70s, period.
And another thing that makes these stories smell is that, again, Moore has been deeply involved in Alabama state politics for decades. And if he really had a reputation for bird-dogging teenage girls back in the day, trolling malls or the like for same, or whatever other contrived story the Establishment tries to gin up, you can bet your next bottle of Val-U-Rite that one of his opponents would have brought it up long ago to destroy him politically, not when he's one step away from the US Senate, where both the D-rats and GOPe hate his guts and would say or do anything to keep him out, as we are seeing here.
Posted by: The Oort Cloud - Source of all SMODs at November 15, 2017 11:51 AM (Or7KF)
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When asked if he dated teens at that time, he responded that he did not generally do so, which sounds like an indirect concession that he did so on at least one or more occasions
Apparently HIS WIFE WAS 18 or 19 when he married her...
So, how was he supposed to fucking answer that question?
Apparently HIS WIFE WAS 18 or 19 when he married her...
So, how was he supposed to fucking answer that question?
Posted by: GMan (My kingdom for 10 feet of rope and some torches) at November 15, 2017 11:52 AM (sxq57)
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ugh, every election becomes a moral tale, intrigue lies, sex and corruption, but where only one side is to hold the moral line but yet must accept the other sides allegations.
Posted by: willow at November 15, 2017 11:52 AM (Zmz55)
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No one seems to care that this election is about the people of Alabama choosing a Senator who reflects their policy views.
Yeah, Alabama isn't DC or New York. I still say Moore wins in a big "fuck you" to all of them.
Yeah, Alabama isn't DC or New York. I still say Moore wins in a big "fuck you" to all of them.
Posted by: tu3031 at November 15, 2017 11:52 AM (O5Q3r)
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The thing about the Judge Moore situation that irritates me the most...
Was that all of the Washington GOPe insiders HAD to comment.
When asked, all they had to say was 'I'm not a Court of Law, nor am I a Voter in that STATE... now, lets talk about Tax reform...'
But not... like Sessionzzzzzz they HAD to side with the Woman... they HAD to say her story was credible, EVEN WHEN THEY PROBABLY KNOW NOTHING MORE THAN MSM ACCOUNTS.
Posted by: Don Q
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I would agree with that, just about the only thing that makes me want to side with Moore is the disgusting way the GOP has responded to it.
But that's two separate things, my hate for McConnell and what to do about Moore.
A Republican losing in Alabama to spite McConnell seems pretty stupid and self defeating.
Was that all of the Washington GOPe insiders HAD to comment.
When asked, all they had to say was 'I'm not a Court of Law, nor am I a Voter in that STATE... now, lets talk about Tax reform...'
But not... like Sessionzzzzzz they HAD to side with the Woman... they HAD to say her story was credible, EVEN WHEN THEY PROBABLY KNOW NOTHING MORE THAN MSM ACCOUNTS.
Posted by: Don Q
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I would agree with that, just about the only thing that makes me want to side with Moore is the disgusting way the GOP has responded to it.
But that's two separate things, my hate for McConnell and what to do about Moore.
A Republican losing in Alabama to spite McConnell seems pretty stupid and self defeating.
Posted by: Maritime at November 15, 2017 11:52 AM (lKmt3)
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No one seems to care that this election is about the people of Alabama choosing a Senator who reflects their policy views.
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at November 15, 2017 11:49 AM (oGRue)
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Local Radio Host this morning:
So.... If your house was on fire, would you really give two hoots if the guy on the hose had been *accused* of being naughty??? NO?????
Welcome to the State of Alabama
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at November 15, 2017 11:49 AM (oGRue)
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Local Radio Host this morning:
So.... If your house was on fire, would you really give two hoots if the guy on the hose had been *accused* of being naughty??? NO?????
Welcome to the State of Alabama
Posted by: fixerupper at November 15, 2017 11:52 AM (8XRCm)
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I just love that Pete's 21-tweet diatribe has one comment, from some broad simply saying, "You think wrong."
That just compelled me. You think wrong, Pete. Just because she said so.
WTF.
That just compelled me. You think wrong, Pete. Just because she said so.
WTF.
Posted by: The Mass Media can EABOD at November 15, 2017 11:52 AM (3viFV)
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Has Pete been around lately?
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Nostrildamus (No Smoothies) at November 15, 2017 11:52 AM (QBsU+)
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My take: it's a hit job, straight up. The timing, the nature of the allegations (in the heat of a sexual impropriety bonfire of the vanities amongst Democrat bagmen, this comes up, just in time for an election), the impossibility of establishing anything either way ... it stinks.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
The fact that it has NEVER come up before in his entire 40 year career....
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
The fact that it has NEVER come up before in his entire 40 year career....
Posted by: rickb223 at November 15, 2017 11:53 AM (4Hf9E)
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>>Yea that one.
Heard that live on my commute one morning.
There were cars pulled off in the median with people laughing so hard they were crying.
Heard that live on my commute one morning.
There were cars pulled off in the median with people laughing so hard they were crying.
Posted by: garrett at November 15, 2017 11:53 AM (eCLUN)
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Fuck. He wasn't looking to bang (underage) girls; he was looking for a wife in rural AL after he'd been away for around 10 years (including in Nam) at a time when the average women's marriage age in the U.S. was 21 years.
Posted by: andycanuck at November 15, 2017 11:53 AM (mJ8mX)
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If they could produce someone they told about it. If the times was less. If the timing of the accusations weren't so damn convenient. If we hadn't been fooled before. If Gloria Allred wasn't involved.
I could go on. But mostly it's none of our business. Let the Alabamans decide.
I could go on. But mostly it's none of our business. Let the Alabamans decide.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Back from the Dead and Toxically Masculine) at November 15, 2017 11:53 AM (hVoJQ)
Posted by: garrett at November 15, 2017 11:53 AM (eCLUN)
Posted by: the ficus at November 15, 2017 11:54 AM (HgMAr)
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they do show that Moore is a moral train wreck.
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Really???
How many accusers have come forward claiming things after he was married???
Oh. None.
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Really???
How many accusers have come forward claiming things after he was married???
Oh. None.
Posted by: fixerupper at November 15, 2017 11:54 AM (8XRCm)
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Lutefisk, Lefse! Ya sure you betcha!
Church supper dis weekend, getcher tickets now.
Not too spendy, only $25 for lingonberries, herring, and lutefisk!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJIGo1tL9yA
Church supper dis weekend, getcher tickets now.
Not too spendy, only $25 for lingonberries, herring, and lutefisk!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJIGo1tL9yA
Posted by: Yon Yonson at November 15, 2017 11:54 AM (L98xM)
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and i have a hard time while thinking the Lies are credible , i could say ,so what? It's because i don't think they are credible i could support the effort to elect him.
why
decades later accusations.
he was in the public eye for years and yet NOW accusations?
why
decades later accusations.
he was in the public eye for years and yet NOW accusations?
Posted by: willow at November 15, 2017 11:55 AM (Zmz55)
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This is all much ado about nothing.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Harvey at November 15, 2017 11:55 AM (vtcmf)
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Yesterdays OT:
because they don't want a majority in the House OR
the Senate that eliminates all their excuses for not getting what the
voters want done.
Oh. Ok.
Posted by: JackStraw
Maybe it's not so much the excuses as the fact that close to 50/50 the squishes matter and get attention .
because they don't want a majority in the House OR
the Senate that eliminates all their excuses for not getting what the
voters want done.
Oh. Ok.
Posted by: JackStraw
Maybe it's not so much the excuses as the fact that close to 50/50 the squishes matter and get attention .
Posted by: DaveA at November 15, 2017 11:55 AM (FhXTo)
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>>Heard that live on my commute one morning.
>>There were cars pulled off in the median with people laughing so hard they were crying.
There were a series of them for a while all based on Wilfred getting jiggy with oatmeal. That was some funny stuff.
>>There were cars pulled off in the median with people laughing so hard they were crying.
There were a series of them for a while all based on Wilfred getting jiggy with oatmeal. That was some funny stuff.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 15, 2017 11:55 AM (/tuJf)
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I was touched by the internet once.
Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at November 15, 2017 11:55 AM (nQHw/)
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If it's true Roy Moore was a Democrat back when he was "getting rapey" with the teens then why is it....
Oh, never mind.
He identifies as a Republican now. I can't keep this trans-political-affiliation shit straight anymore.
Oh, never mind.
He identifies as a Republican now. I can't keep this trans-political-affiliation shit straight anymore.
Posted by: Deplorable Redneck Bitter Clinger at November 15, 2017 11:55 AM (jAZR9)
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I have a Roy Moore yearbook question.
Let's assume for a moment that yearbook woman is telling the truth. He assaulted her, she's lived in fear of him her whole life - but never enough fear to warrant moving away, or going to the authorities.
Why would she keep the yearbook that contained the signature of her assailant? Or at least remove THAT page?
Let's assume for a moment that yearbook woman is telling the truth. He assaulted her, she's lived in fear of him her whole life - but never enough fear to warrant moving away, or going to the authorities.
Why would she keep the yearbook that contained the signature of her assailant? Or at least remove THAT page?
Posted by: Laughing in Texas at November 15, 2017 11:55 AM (Vzqe+)
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It has recently come out that ole Georgie took a
little trip on the Lolita Express to Pedo Isle, with none other than
Bubba Clinton, though Insty commented on it back in 2015:
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/206994/
Posted by: GnuBreed at November 15, 2017 11:47 AM (0ogQG)
Yikes. I had not heard that. He's like what, 5' tall? And he's married to that harridan "comediane" Ali Wentworth. I'd imagine he got a frying pan to the face when he got home.
little trip on the Lolita Express to Pedo Isle, with none other than
Bubba Clinton, though Insty commented on it back in 2015:
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/206994/
Posted by: GnuBreed at November 15, 2017 11:47 AM (0ogQG)
Yikes. I had not heard that. He's like what, 5' tall? And he's married to that harridan "comediane" Ali Wentworth. I'd imagine he got a frying pan to the face when he got home.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 15, 2017 11:55 AM (PY9jH)
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I am surprised by the holier than thou "men in 30s who are attracted to 17 and 18 year olds are perverts" angle in Masturbatin Pete's tweets. My guess is that the number of men that age who would bed a 17 or 18 year old if they could do so discreetly and without social consequences is very high, well above 50 percent. I know at least one guy in his early 30s who married a gal when she was 19 (they met when she was 1.
. Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at November 15, 2017 11:56 AM (VJ4aP)
Posted by: andycanuck at November 15, 2017 11:56 AM (mJ8mX)
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He's a defense attorney. So probably not much credibility there.
Posted by: Country Boy at November 15, 2017 11:51 AM (Jcg9Q)
And he is a Moron in good standing, so ad hominem attacks are not appropriate answers to his arguments.
Posted by: Country Boy at November 15, 2017 11:51 AM (Jcg9Q)
And he is a Moron in good standing, so ad hominem attacks are not appropriate answers to his arguments.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 15, 2017 11:56 AM (wYseH)
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What's being missed is that Bill Clinton is to blame for all this, his escapades were excused.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at November 15, 2017 11:56 AM (dKiJG)
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I don't even vote in the federals, but I think the Alabama peeps should probably vote for the party and not the man in this case and let the chips fall where they may. He apparently can be replaced at that point.
But it would give me a little laugh at Bitch McConman that the small gop peeps aren't taking his crap any longer... but yeah they don't want to cut off the nose to spite the face and have a dem senator down there.
I don't even vote in the federals, but I think the Alabama peeps should probably vote for the party and not the man in this case and let the chips fall where they may. He apparently can be replaced at that point.
But it would give me a little laugh at Bitch McConman that the small gop peeps aren't taking his crap any longer... but yeah they don't want to cut off the nose to spite the face and have a dem senator down there.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 15, 2017 11:57 AM (r+sAi)
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>>My guess is that the number of men that age who would bed a 17 or 18 year old if they could do so discreetly and without social consequences is very high, well above 50 percent
The only reason it isn't 101% is that would be impossible.
The only reason it isn't 101% is that would be impossible.
Posted by: garrett at November 15, 2017 11:57 AM (eCLUN)
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What's being missed is that Bill Clinton is to blame for all this, his escapades were excused.
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That's not what Van Jones told me. He said this is all Trump's fault.
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That's not what Van Jones told me. He said this is all Trump's fault.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at November 15, 2017 11:57 AM (vg8iE)
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As a long time fan of Mr. Pete's writings here, I'm disappointed to learn he has now apparently self identified as a lawyer. Otherwise we seemed to have a great deal in common.
Posted by: Leonard Pinth-Garnell at November 15, 2017 11:57 AM (7A6l6)
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Why won't some enterprising reporter ask HILLARY if the Woman should automatically be believed?
Posted by: Don Q
___________________
Shut your whore mouth....
*hic*
Why won't some enterprising reporter ask HILLARY if the Woman should automatically be believed?
Posted by: Don Q
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Shut your whore mouth....
*hic*
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at November 15, 2017 11:57 AM (0mskG)
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srsly i'm reading but it has many comments that don't tie in, is it an essay or just comments gathered ?
Posted by: willow at November 15, 2017 11:48 AM (Zmz55)
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click on the 10:10 url link. that takes you to the unadulterated tweetstorm
Posted by: willow at November 15, 2017 11:48 AM (Zmz55)
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click on the 10:10 url link. that takes you to the unadulterated tweetstorm
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at November 15, 2017 11:58 AM (oGRue)
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Maybe twice.
Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at November 15, 2017 11:58 AM (nQHw/)
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123 decades later accusations.
he was in the public eye for years and yet NOW accusations?
Posted by: willow
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Plus: "Well it worked, didn't it?" -Harry Reid
he was in the public eye for years and yet NOW accusations?
Posted by: willow
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Plus: "Well it worked, didn't it?" -Harry Reid
Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at November 15, 2017 11:58 AM (t41dG)
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21 He does not make the case for why we should believe the accusers all he's got is that it's icky to for a 30 year old to bang teenagers.
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None of them claim that he had sex with them. He apparently dated teenagers, meaning he took them out to dinner or movies, and kissed them. It may creep some people out, but so long as they were 16 or older, it was not illegal then in Alabama, and it is not illegal now.
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None of them claim that he had sex with them. He apparently dated teenagers, meaning he took them out to dinner or movies, and kissed them. It may creep some people out, but so long as they were 16 or older, it was not illegal then in Alabama, and it is not illegal now.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at November 15, 2017 11:58 AM (BXf9o)
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In other less important news, Paul Ryan has removed the GOPcare nullification out of the current bill.
Posted by: Under Fire at November 15, 2017 11:58 AM (r9UYA)
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I was touched by the internet once.
Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN
Show us on pornhub where the Internet touched you.
Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN
Show us on pornhub where the Internet touched you.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 15, 2017 11:59 AM (4Hf9E)
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Ah did not have sex with that oatmeal-stuffed turkey.
Posted by: Bubba Clintoon at November 15, 2017 11:59 AM (vtcmf)
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Posted by: Tami at November 15, 2017 11:59 AM (Enq6K)
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>>In other less important news, Paul Ryan has removed the GOPcare nullification out of the current bill.
It was never in the House bill. It's only in the Senate version.
It was never in the House bill. It's only in the Senate version.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 15, 2017 12:00 PM (/tuJf)
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I was inclined to think it was all a bullshit hit job before, and now that Allred is involved, my presumption is that it's all a bullshit hit job and it's going to take a lot of evidence to persuade me otherwise.
Posted by: Insomniac - El Perdedor at November 15, 2017 12:00 PM (NWiLs)
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Masturbating Pete is Right!
Posted by: Masturbating Buzzsaw90 at November 15, 2017 12:00 PM (oGRue)
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When you go into the service and then come back after a few years, all the women your age are married.
So what are you supposed to do?
You have to look at younger women unless you want an instant family with a possible problem female.
not dissing single mothers. but let's face something went wrong and it's not easy to separate the crazies from the ones who got cheated on.
So the easiest thing to do is date younger and AL allows a girl to make up her own mind at 16.
Nothing pervy or illegal about it.
all this other stuff is unproven. His dating younger girls was known and no charges or claims were ever made.
And pete can go suck it.
So what are you supposed to do?
You have to look at younger women unless you want an instant family with a possible problem female.
not dissing single mothers. but let's face something went wrong and it's not easy to separate the crazies from the ones who got cheated on.
So the easiest thing to do is date younger and AL allows a girl to make up her own mind at 16.
Nothing pervy or illegal about it.
all this other stuff is unproven. His dating younger girls was known and no charges or claims were ever made.
And pete can go suck it.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Back from the Dead and Toxically Masculine) at November 15, 2017 12:00 PM (hVoJQ)
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Morning all... I see the Dhimmicrats have come up with 5 articles of Impeachment... Number 1 should be Presidenting while republican
Morning all... I see the Dhimmicrats have come up with 5 articles of Impeachment... Number 1 should be Presidenting while republican
Posted by: It's me donna at November 15, 2017 12:00 PM (O2RFr)
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108 - I'd expect a career politician to say something like, "Other than my wife of more than three decades, no."
See how definitive and convincing that sounds compared to what he did say? Telling the truth in a believable way should be easy, unless of course the truth is suboptimal.
See how definitive and convincing that sounds compared to what he did say? Telling the truth in a believable way should be easy, unless of course the truth is suboptimal.
Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at November 15, 2017 12:00 PM (VJ4aP)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 15, 2017 12:00 PM (PY9jH)
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131 I am surprised by the holier than thou "men in 30s who are attracted to 17 and 18 year olds are perverts" angle in Masturbatin Pete's tweets. My guess is that the number of men that age who would bed a 17 or 18 year old if they could do so discreetly and without social consequences is very high, well above 50 percent. I know at least one guy in his early 30s who married a gal when she was 19 (they met when she was 1.
Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at November 15, 2017 11:56 AM (VJ4aP)
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This is my opinion also. The moralizing is getting tiresome.
Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at November 15, 2017 11:56 AM (VJ4aP)
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This is my opinion also. The moralizing is getting tiresome.
Posted by: Soona at November 15, 2017 12:01 PM (ZAAkQ)
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93 No one seems to care that this election is about the people of Alabama choosing a Senator who reflects their policy views.
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at November 15, 2017 11:49 AM (oGRue)
Welcome to the Dems ONLY Possible way to win.
Politics of Personal Destruction.
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at November 15, 2017 11:49 AM (oGRue)
Welcome to the Dems ONLY Possible way to win.
Politics of Personal Destruction.
Posted by: Don Q. at November 15, 2017 12:02 PM (NgKpN)
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@98
Peter King can eat EABOD.
The 14 year old made an allegation of improper touching.
Roy Moore say's he did not do it, was not with her, did not know her.
So how the fuck other than saying he didn't do it does he prove he didn't do it to the satisfaction of Peter King?
The only way is to show that 40 years ago on the specified date and at the specified time he was eleswhere and could not have possibly done what she say's he did.
It's bullshit.
Peter King can eat EABOD.
The 14 year old made an allegation of improper touching.
Roy Moore say's he did not do it, was not with her, did not know her.
So how the fuck other than saying he didn't do it does he prove he didn't do it to the satisfaction of Peter King?
The only way is to show that 40 years ago on the specified date and at the specified time he was eleswhere and could not have possibly done what she say's he did.
It's bullshit.
Posted by: Kreplach at November 15, 2017 12:02 PM (2JcMg)
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yeah, i don't think arguing against Pete's credible is a bad deal and i guess there is a point to be made about no one would care on the left because of Clinton.
but i don't find it credible in thne first place and realize it will be difficult for Moore to disprove accusation of things that occured decades ago.
it would be nice to try to groc the points we know.
did he sign the yearbook, Make of car , was he available at that time in that town. was the phone in the other accusers bedroom or not.
enough of those points.
might be found and could give us more to base our help or dismissal of this hole deal.
but i don't find it credible in thne first place and realize it will be difficult for Moore to disprove accusation of things that occured decades ago.
it would be nice to try to groc the points we know.
did he sign the yearbook, Make of car , was he available at that time in that town. was the phone in the other accusers bedroom or not.
enough of those points.
might be found and could give us more to base our help or dismissal of this hole deal.
Posted by: willow at November 15, 2017 12:02 PM (Zmz55)
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And Dildo and Masturbatin' are entirely appropriate for this smart military blog.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 15, 2017 11:34 AM (PY9jH)
But Bea Arthur's Dick is over the line!
Posted by: josephistan at November 15, 2017 11:45 AM (7HtZB)
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I disagree. A dildo or a dick are mere objects. But self abuse is a willful action.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 15, 2017 11:34 AM (PY9jH)
But Bea Arthur's Dick is over the line!
Posted by: josephistan at November 15, 2017 11:45 AM (7HtZB)
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I disagree. A dildo or a dick are mere objects. But self abuse is a willful action.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 15, 2017 12:02 PM (/qEW2)
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Less readin', more masturbatin'.
Posted by: Insomniac - El Perdedor at November 15, 2017 11:49 AM (NWiLs)
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masturbatin' is fundamental
Posted by: Insomniac - El Perdedor at November 15, 2017 11:49 AM (NWiLs)
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masturbatin' is fundamental
Posted by: Masturbating Buzzsaw90 at November 15, 2017 12:02 PM (oGRue)
Posted by: garrett at November 15, 2017 12:03 PM (eCLUN)
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A credible story.
Not good enough. Not nearly.
Once upon a time, I went to the movies. I watched "credible stories" in Panavision and Dolby Surround Sound. They were compelling and sometimes even entertaining. They were also fiction.
So convince me of this credibility not by assertion of recollection but by verifiable, validatable facts. Until then you don't have a compelling case and I damn sure won't jump to a conclusion at the last minute when there's a rather significant - perhaps historically so - off-year election about to happen.
And given the context of contemporary politics and the exploitation of crises for socio-economic effect, your case better be beyond a shadow of a doubt. And this case (or cases) do not and will not.
However, Hollywood could make a nice movie about how a populist politician was railroaded by opportunistic, entrenched powers that exploited any and all means necessary to keep Mr. Smith out of Washington. Alas, we won't see that one any time soon. The Narrative, 'tis inconvenient.
Not good enough. Not nearly.
Once upon a time, I went to the movies. I watched "credible stories" in Panavision and Dolby Surround Sound. They were compelling and sometimes even entertaining. They were also fiction.
So convince me of this credibility not by assertion of recollection but by verifiable, validatable facts. Until then you don't have a compelling case and I damn sure won't jump to a conclusion at the last minute when there's a rather significant - perhaps historically so - off-year election about to happen.
And given the context of contemporary politics and the exploitation of crises for socio-economic effect, your case better be beyond a shadow of a doubt. And this case (or cases) do not and will not.
However, Hollywood could make a nice movie about how a populist politician was railroaded by opportunistic, entrenched powers that exploited any and all means necessary to keep Mr. Smith out of Washington. Alas, we won't see that one any time soon. The Narrative, 'tis inconvenient.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 15, 2017 12:03 PM (H8S+R)
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When is the Alabama election?
Posted by: IC at November 15, 2017 12:03 PM (a0IVu)
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Sorry, I still just don't see how having a consensual sexual relationship with an adult is "sleazy" unless it's complicated by other factors - if it's an affair, or one person has some position of authority over the other (boss-subordinate, teacher-student, etc.).
It's like saying "man, that guy started drinking at 21? What a sleazeball. I mean, it's the legal drinking age and all, but we *know* winkwinknudgenudge that you're really supposed to wait until you're 27."
It's like saying "man, that guy started drinking at 21? What a sleazeball. I mean, it's the legal drinking age and all, but we *know* winkwinknudgenudge that you're really supposed to wait until you're 27."
Posted by: broseidon, semi-official komodo dragon shifter at November 15, 2017 12:04 PM (oZ6kz)
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Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 15, 2017 12:04 PM (vtcmf)
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Thanks for the comments, gang.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 15, 2017 12:04 PM (xN1DB)
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It might be a good read, but the "14 year old's statement is credible" is weird, because without any *proof* it's not credible in any way.
I think what he meant was "credible" in the literal sense, "believable," with its antonym "incredible," meaning "not believable."
In that context, "credible" does not equate to "true," but rather "could be true," i.e., "cannot be dismissed out of hand."
So in this usage, "proof" doesn't come into "credibility."
I think what he meant was "credible" in the literal sense, "believable," with its antonym "incredible," meaning "not believable."
In that context, "credible" does not equate to "true," but rather "could be true," i.e., "cannot be dismissed out of hand."
So in this usage, "proof" doesn't come into "credibility."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 15, 2017 12:04 PM (FIdOt)
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Rush opens with---> Roy Moore.
Posted by: Under Fire at November 15, 2017 12:04 PM (r9UYA)
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i shall take the accusations credible when those women carry a car seat around with them in protest.
Posted by: Cicero Boom chicka boom Kaboom! Kid, at November 15, 2017 12:04 PM (EK6pT)
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But self abuse is a willful action.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 15, 2017 12:02 PM (/qEW2)
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Due to genetic or environmental causes?
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 15, 2017 12:02 PM (/qEW2)
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Due to genetic or environmental causes?
Posted by: RioBravo at November 15, 2017 12:04 PM (5NMZN)
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The thing about the Judge Moore situation that irritates me the most...
Was that all of the Washington GOPe insiders HAD to comment.
When asked, all they had to say was 'I'm not a Court of Law, nor am I a Voter in that STATE... now, lets talk about Tax reform...'
But not... like Sessionzzzzzz they HAD to side with the Woman... they HAD to say her story was credible, EVEN WHEN THEY PROBABLY KNOW NOTHING MORE THAN MSM ACCOUNTS.
Posted by: Don Q
Yeah, this is just like a couple months ago in Charlottesville. They couldn't wait to run to a press mic and Virtue Signal all over the place.
And I'm sure, like last time, if any exculpatory evidence comes out or some accuser's story falls apart, Paul Ryan will send his cute little Press Secretary out for a wishy-washy mea culpa on a Friday afternoon.
Was that all of the Washington GOPe insiders HAD to comment.
When asked, all they had to say was 'I'm not a Court of Law, nor am I a Voter in that STATE... now, lets talk about Tax reform...'
But not... like Sessionzzzzzz they HAD to side with the Woman... they HAD to say her story was credible, EVEN WHEN THEY PROBABLY KNOW NOTHING MORE THAN MSM ACCOUNTS.
Posted by: Don Q
Yeah, this is just like a couple months ago in Charlottesville. They couldn't wait to run to a press mic and Virtue Signal all over the place.
And I'm sure, like last time, if any exculpatory evidence comes out or some accuser's story falls apart, Paul Ryan will send his cute little Press Secretary out for a wishy-washy mea culpa on a Friday afternoon.
Posted by: Oedipus at November 15, 2017 12:04 PM (yta7R)
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People with power will not let go easily.
Posted by: Soona at November 15, 2017 11:44 AM
Hell no, I won't go!
People with power will not let go easily.
Posted by: Soona at November 15, 2017 11:44 AM
Hell no, I won't go!
Posted by: Robert Mugabe at November 15, 2017 12:04 PM (IqV8l)
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165 When is the Alabama election?
Posted by: IC at November 15, 2017 12:03 PM (a0IVu)
12 December, IIRC.
Posted by: IC at November 15, 2017 12:03 PM (a0IVu)
12 December, IIRC.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 15, 2017 12:04 PM (FIdOt)
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My take: it's a hit job, straight up. The timing, the nature of the allegations (in the heat of a sexual impropriety bonfire of the vanities amongst Democrat bagmen, this comes up, just in time for an election), the impossibility of establishing anything either way ... it stinks.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
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I just think there's too many people involved now.
If it was say one or two women, I could go along with that. But now its colleagues, security guards, and even him admitting he dated teens in high school at that age.
We've also never seen hits like this. Something like Clarence Thomas was allegations of basically unprofessional conduct towards one woman. Or Trump it was that he pinched an ass on an airplane 30 years ago.
But numerous underage girls coming forward with Moore admitting he did maybe date these girls when they were that age?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
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I just think there's too many people involved now.
If it was say one or two women, I could go along with that. But now its colleagues, security guards, and even him admitting he dated teens in high school at that age.
We've also never seen hits like this. Something like Clarence Thomas was allegations of basically unprofessional conduct towards one woman. Or Trump it was that he pinched an ass on an airplane 30 years ago.
But numerous underage girls coming forward with Moore admitting he did maybe date these girls when they were that age?
Posted by: Maritime at November 15, 2017 12:04 PM (lKmt3)
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Why I think this Moore thing is a hit-job:
Most of these weasels demanding he "prove his innocence" are lawyers. They *know* (probably better than anyone else) that they are demanding (and it *is* a demand) he do the axiomatically impossible by proving a negative. They *know* this is the reason we have "presumption of innocence" in this country, and yet persist.
Do the DOPe useful idiots realize their dem "allies" will use this on them just as fast? If Moore goes down it will be another nail in the coffin of free life for the rest of us as well.
Most of these weasels demanding he "prove his innocence" are lawyers. They *know* (probably better than anyone else) that they are demanding (and it *is* a demand) he do the axiomatically impossible by proving a negative. They *know* this is the reason we have "presumption of innocence" in this country, and yet persist.
Do the DOPe useful idiots realize their dem "allies" will use this on them just as fast? If Moore goes down it will be another nail in the coffin of free life for the rest of us as well.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at November 15, 2017 12:05 PM (rp9xB)
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I'm not speaking to the facts of the case, only that in his tweetstorm the Masturbatin' One said that (I'm paraphrasing a tad) "A guy in his 30's having sex with an 18 year old is sleazy af, fam."
Posted by: broseidon, semi-official komodo dragon shifter at November 15, 2017 12:05 PM (oZ6kz)
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at November 15, 2017 12:05 PM (398bZ)
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>>>>1. Some of them make allegations that are (for me at least) relatively
innocuous, like the gal who says they dated once or twice, with her
mother's enthusiastic approval, when she was 17 and Moore was 34. That
accuser said that in retrospect she realized the age difference made it
inappropriate. But that's it. If you are going to fabricate allegations
from the distant past for political reasons, seems like you could come
up with something far more damaging.
.
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.Pardon my ignorance, but allegations about what? About him dating teenage girls when he was 30? That was and is completely legal, not sure why people are using the word allegation in reference to perfectly legal behavior, but I suspect that is exactly what the msm planned to happen because it makes him sound like a criminal defendant.
The only one who has accused him of any criminal behavior has her own step son coming out and saying she is lying. I think that rips any credibility away from her story without addressing the inconsistencies in the yearbook note.
If people have an issue because he was 30 years old and dating High School girls then try and get the law changed. Trust me that ain't gonna happen. It is still common to see older men dating high school girls in the South and it was fairly routine back in the 1970s.
innocuous, like the gal who says they dated once or twice, with her
mother's enthusiastic approval, when she was 17 and Moore was 34. That
accuser said that in retrospect she realized the age difference made it
inappropriate. But that's it. If you are going to fabricate allegations
from the distant past for political reasons, seems like you could come
up with something far more damaging.
.
.
.Pardon my ignorance, but allegations about what? About him dating teenage girls when he was 30? That was and is completely legal, not sure why people are using the word allegation in reference to perfectly legal behavior, but I suspect that is exactly what the msm planned to happen because it makes him sound like a criminal defendant.
The only one who has accused him of any criminal behavior has her own step son coming out and saying she is lying. I think that rips any credibility away from her story without addressing the inconsistencies in the yearbook note.
If people have an issue because he was 30 years old and dating High School girls then try and get the law changed. Trust me that ain't gonna happen. It is still common to see older men dating high school girls in the South and it was fairly routine back in the 1970s.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 15, 2017 12:06 PM (+Dllb)
Posted by: JAS at November 15, 2017 12:06 PM (Oj1RP)
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If you are going to be in El Paso be sure to go by Dicky's BBQ pit. best BBQ sauce in the USA.
If your BBQ needs sauce, you're doing it wrong.
If your BBQ needs sauce, you're doing it wrong.
Posted by: Laughing in Texas at November 15, 2017 12:06 PM (Vzqe+)
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132 Apparently HIS WIFE WAS 18 or 19 when he married her...
She was 24, Einstein.
Posted by: andycanuck at November 15, 2017 11:56 AM (mJ8mX)
I was 34 when I married my just barely 21-year old wife. Whats ur f'in point?
She was 24, Einstein.
Posted by: andycanuck at November 15, 2017 11:56 AM (mJ8mX)
I was 34 when I married my just barely 21-year old wife. Whats ur f'in point?
Posted by: Cicero Boom chicka boom Kaboom! Kid, at November 15, 2017 12:06 PM (EK6pT)
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And for those wanting a dose of humour against the Sturm und Drang here check out the DPRK News Service top recent tweets:
https://twitter.com/DPRK_News/
I checked it out to see if there was any (satirical) news about Fat Boy having announced that Trump faces the death penalty over the 'short and fat' comment if he ever visits N.K.
https://twitter.com/DPRK_News/
I checked it out to see if there was any (satirical) news about Fat Boy having announced that Trump faces the death penalty over the 'short and fat' comment if he ever visits N.K.
Posted by: andycanuck at November 15, 2017 12:06 PM (mJ8mX)
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Self abuse usually falls into either attention seeking or "I get a rush from cutting" camps. Attention seeking usually goes away (except with die hard bordies who up the ante until they get attention), but those who get a burst of pleasure from it are not giving it up. For them it's like a drug
Posted by: CN at November 15, 2017 12:07 PM (5gaNQ)
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So when is the accuser going to start walking around with a 70s model sedan strapped to her back?
Posted by: Insomniac - El Perdedor at November 15, 2017 12:07 PM (NWiLs)
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The fact that it has NEVER come up before in his entire 40 year career....
Posted by: rickb223 at November 15, 2017 11:53 AM (4Hf9E)
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could the difference be that the press has never dug (with a backhoe) to find people he dated before?
I'd still love to know how much time/resources the poured into that effort.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 15, 2017 11:53 AM (4Hf9E)
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could the difference be that the press has never dug (with a backhoe) to find people he dated before?
I'd still love to know how much time/resources the poured into that effort.
Posted by: Masturbating Buzzsaw90 at November 15, 2017 12:07 PM (oGRue)
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What does Steve Bannon have to say about his choice?
Posted by: Deplorable Redneck Bitter Clinger at November 15, 2017 12:07 PM (jAZR9)
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"I'd expect a career politician to say something like, "Other than my wife of more than three decades, no."
See how definitive and convincing that sounds compared to what he did say? Telling the truth in a believable way should be easy, unless of course the truth is suboptimal."
Except that statement would be a lie, apparently.
I don't see why anyone cares. No credible evidence of anything illegal, just a pack of politically motivated prudes. Who ignore much worse behavior when convient.
See how definitive and convincing that sounds compared to what he did say? Telling the truth in a believable way should be easy, unless of course the truth is suboptimal."
Except that statement would be a lie, apparently.
I don't see why anyone cares. No credible evidence of anything illegal, just a pack of politically motivated prudes. Who ignore much worse behavior when convient.
Posted by: Rob Crawford at November 15, 2017 12:07 PM (Tm5I3)
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I love the phrase "ad hominem." It typically means "I can't think of anything better to say, so I'll just try to sound smart."
He made attacks with no evidence, so why can't I? Do certain Morons have superior standing or something??
Posted by: Country Boy at November 15, 2017 12:03 PM (Jcg9Q)
CBD's point (if I might speak for him) was that your response was directed to the man, rather than his argument.
And, with respect, I don't MP's comments as an attack, but rather as an analysis of the situation. His conclusion (if I might now speak for HIM), is that there could be a case to answer (should suitable evidence be forthcoming).
He made attacks with no evidence, so why can't I? Do certain Morons have superior standing or something??
Posted by: Country Boy at November 15, 2017 12:03 PM (Jcg9Q)
CBD's point (if I might speak for him) was that your response was directed to the man, rather than his argument.
And, with respect, I don't MP's comments as an attack, but rather as an analysis of the situation. His conclusion (if I might now speak for HIM), is that there could be a case to answer (should suitable evidence be forthcoming).
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 15, 2017 12:08 PM (FIdOt)
Posted by: JAS at November 15, 2017 12:08 PM (Oj1RP)
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Moore does give off a "creepy" vibe but I find it "fishy" that this many Women would wait so long to come out ..That's the suspicious part.... If this is successful look for it to be used on all Republicans running for any office...
Posted by: It's me donna at November 15, 2017 12:08 PM (O2RFr)
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It typically means "I can't think of anything better to say, so I'll just try to sound smart."
Posted by: Country Boy at November 15, 2017 12:03 PM (Jcg9Q)
No, it has a specific meaning. Look it up. It applies to your arguments.
Posted by: Country Boy at November 15, 2017 12:03 PM (Jcg9Q)
No, it has a specific meaning. Look it up. It applies to your arguments.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 15, 2017 12:08 PM (wYseH)
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Internet not savvy here. Do we go online to Savor Health, or the bank? Just want to make sure.
Posted by: Country Boy at November 15, 2017 12:06 PM (Jcg9Q)
If you want to purchase a gift certificate yourself, you go online to savorhealth.com. If you'd prefer to send a check, those can be mailed to the bank.
Posted by: Country Boy at November 15, 2017 12:06 PM (Jcg9Q)
If you want to purchase a gift certificate yourself, you go online to savorhealth.com. If you'd prefer to send a check, those can be mailed to the bank.
Posted by: Tami at November 15, 2017 12:08 PM (Enq6K)
190
158: and successful bullshit is repeated bullshit
Posted by: CN at November 15, 2017 12:08 PM (5gaNQ)
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But then your left explaining why you were doing with someone that age
in the first place and everyone is already disgusted by it
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Who is everyone?
If you want to spare yourself a lifetime of misery, you have to marry a woman who hasn't been ruined by feminism. That means marry foreign, or marry before college can wreck them (and even then it's dicey).
Men waiting until their career is established so that they can provide for a family and then marrying the dregs of their age group is utter folly.
in the first place and everyone is already disgusted by it
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Who is everyone?
If you want to spare yourself a lifetime of misery, you have to marry a woman who hasn't been ruined by feminism. That means marry foreign, or marry before college can wreck them (and even then it's dicey).
Men waiting until their career is established so that they can provide for a family and then marrying the dregs of their age group is utter folly.
Posted by: Methos at November 15, 2017 12:09 PM (XQvuQ)
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121 they do show that Moore is a moral train wreck.
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Really???
How many accusers have come forward claiming things after he was married???
Oh. None.
Posted by: fixerupper at November 15, 2017 11:54 AM (8XRCm)
Good point...
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Really???
How many accusers have come forward claiming things after he was married???
Oh. None.
Posted by: fixerupper at November 15, 2017 11:54 AM (8XRCm)
Good point...
Posted by: Don Q. at November 15, 2017 12:09 PM (NgKpN)
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If your BBQ needs sauce, you're doing it wrong.
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BBQ without sauce is like sex ONLY for procreation.
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BBQ without sauce is like sex ONLY for procreation.
Posted by: RioBravo at November 15, 2017 12:10 PM (5NMZN)
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Really???
How many accusers have come forward claiming things after he was married???
It's early yet... If this doesn't work you can expect it
How many accusers have come forward claiming things after he was married???
It's early yet... If this doesn't work you can expect it
Posted by: It's me donna at November 15, 2017 12:10 PM (O2RFr)
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"could the difference be that the press has never dug (with a backhoe) to find people he dated before? "
He's been through multiple primaries and elections. Never brought up by his opponents.
He's been through multiple primaries and elections. Never brought up by his opponents.
Posted by: Rob Crawford at November 15, 2017 12:10 PM (Tm5I3)
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Men waiting until their career is established so that they can provide for a family and then marrying the dregs of their age group is utter folly.
Posted by: Methos at November 15, 2017 12:09 PM (XQvuQ)
Especially when the wife then divorces him at the peak of his earning potential and he's stuck paying her >50% of his income for years and years, whether he can afford it or not.
Posted by: Methos at November 15, 2017 12:09 PM (XQvuQ)
Especially when the wife then divorces him at the peak of his earning potential and he's stuck paying her >50% of his income for years and years, whether he can afford it or not.
Posted by: Insomniac - El Perdedor at November 15, 2017 12:10 PM (NWiLs)
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my roy moore theory. i knew guys like roy moore. the women his age were a little more "experienced" than roy. they wouldn't go out with a shy guy, or, much less have a relationship. roy was maybe a late "bloomer," therefore, he struggled with babes his own age. that's why the young ones were impressed with him. naievety. saw them guys my whole life, while i was growing up. not to blame roy, or the women. that's how it works sometimes. maybe he just liked them younger, who knows? lets talk about bitch mcconnels' early life, bet that would be toe curling.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at November 15, 2017 12:10 PM (KP5rU)
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Apparently HIS WIFE WAS 18 or 19 when he married her...
She was 24, Einstein.
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doesn't it depend on her velocity?
She was 24, Einstein.
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doesn't it depend on her velocity?
Posted by: Masturbating Buzzsaw90 at November 15, 2017 12:10 PM (oGRue)
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It is hearsay evidence
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What is? The statements from the women who allege he was inappropriate with them are not hearsay.
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What is? The statements from the women who allege he was inappropriate with them are not hearsay.
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at November 15, 2017 12:11 PM (SKaHS)
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190 - Heh. I got ambushed by an emoticon there somehow. My own ineptitude, I'm sure. Meant to say: 18, not 1.
Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at November 15, 2017 12:11 PM (VJ4aP)
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If you want to spare yourself a lifetime of misery, you have to marry a woman who hasn't been ruined by feminism. That means marry foreign, or marry before college can wreck them (and even then it's dicey).
Men waiting until their career is established so that they can provide for a family and then marrying the dregs of their age group is utter folly.
Posted by: Methos at November 15, 2017 12:09 PM (XQvuQ)
Plus... this was the 70's... pre aids... free love period of our culture.
Men waiting until their career is established so that they can provide for a family and then marrying the dregs of their age group is utter folly.
Posted by: Methos at November 15, 2017 12:09 PM (XQvuQ)
Plus... this was the 70's... pre aids... free love period of our culture.
Posted by: Don Q. at November 15, 2017 12:11 PM (NgKpN)
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The accusers stepson came out and said she's full of shit. Best evidence.
Posted by: Under Fire at November 15, 2017 12:11 PM (r9UYA)
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@152, that's my brother. He was 32 and dating not one, but two 19 year olds, and married one a month after she turned 20. He had converted to Catholicism, and the only single people in the group were late teens / very early 20s because everyone else married out of college. I have literally tons of opinions about their marriage, but the age difference is not nearly as significant as they're making it out to seem with Moore.
Posted by: sunny-dee at November 15, 2017 12:11 PM (QAOZh)
Posted by: Masterbatin' Mohawk at November 15, 2017 12:11 PM (r+sAi)
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Keep in mind, gang, that I posted this on Thursday, November 9. At that point the only accusers were the 14-year-old and the three 16-18-year-olds. The mall stuff hadn't yet surfaced, nor had the yearbook stuff. Not sure if I'm going to give my opinion on the credibility of those yet, mostly because I don't yet have one.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 15, 2017 12:12 PM (xN1DB)
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>>>>We've also never seen hits like this. Something like Clarence Thomas
was allegations of basically unprofessional conduct towards one woman.
Or Trump it was that he pinched an ass on an airplane 30 years ago.
But numerous underage girls coming forward with Moore admitting he did maybe date these girls when they were that age?
.
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.It was actually 4 different women who accused Trump of everything from sexual assault to simple groping, not one woman. And they all faded away when he won.
What numerous underage girls have come forward and accused Moore of dating them? There was one 14 year old but her own mother has discounted key details of her story, and she said they did not have sex.
All of the other ones were over the age of consent and with the exception of the most recent one, they all said nothing sexual ever happened.
was allegations of basically unprofessional conduct towards one woman.
Or Trump it was that he pinched an ass on an airplane 30 years ago.
But numerous underage girls coming forward with Moore admitting he did maybe date these girls when they were that age?
.
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.It was actually 4 different women who accused Trump of everything from sexual assault to simple groping, not one woman. And they all faded away when he won.
What numerous underage girls have come forward and accused Moore of dating them? There was one 14 year old but her own mother has discounted key details of her story, and she said they did not have sex.
All of the other ones were over the age of consent and with the exception of the most recent one, they all said nothing sexual ever happened.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 15, 2017 12:12 PM (+Dllb)
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could the difference be that the press has never dug (with a backhoe) to find people he dated before?
I'd still love to know how much time/resources the poured into that effort.
Posted by: Masturbating Buzzsaw90 at November 15, 2017 12:07 PM (oGRue)
The press has nothing to do with it. This is a Democrat Party Presents production, starring Gloria Allred with a supporting cast of a couple.
Evidence it's a hit job? Why include the OTHER gals, who were perfectly legal by any standard, other than rather sleazily to give the impression that this was a pattern of behavior?
Bear in mind, Stan Dunham got impregnated by Barack Sr. one week after her 18th birthday (assuming 270 day gestation period). Has anybody ever gotten their knickers in a twist about that?
I'd still love to know how much time/resources the poured into that effort.
Posted by: Masturbating Buzzsaw90 at November 15, 2017 12:07 PM (oGRue)
The press has nothing to do with it. This is a Democrat Party Presents production, starring Gloria Allred with a supporting cast of a couple.
Evidence it's a hit job? Why include the OTHER gals, who were perfectly legal by any standard, other than rather sleazily to give the impression that this was a pattern of behavior?
Bear in mind, Stan Dunham got impregnated by Barack Sr. one week after her 18th birthday (assuming 270 day gestation period). Has anybody ever gotten their knickers in a twist about that?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 15, 2017 12:12 PM (FIdOt)
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What's the age limit for statutory rape in Alabama?
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Doesnt apply. AT ALL!!
BECAUSE IT APPEARS THERE WAS NO SEX ALLEGED AND AS FAR AS ANYBODY CAN TELL THE ONLY HOTTIE HE BANGED WAS HIS WIFE.
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Doesnt apply. AT ALL!!
BECAUSE IT APPEARS THERE WAS NO SEX ALLEGED AND AS FAR AS ANYBODY CAN TELL THE ONLY HOTTIE HE BANGED WAS HIS WIFE.
Posted by: fixerupper at November 15, 2017 12:12 PM (8XRCm)
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I was replying to comment #108 that I was quoting, Cicero.
And upon a second reading I might have misunderstood GMan's comment. I thought he meant that Moore was lying that Moore didn't have a thing for/contact with teenagers for dating because he ended up marrying an 18 or 19-y-o. Thus my snarky correction.
My apologies, GMan, if I misunderstood your comment.
And upon a second reading I might have misunderstood GMan's comment. I thought he meant that Moore was lying that Moore didn't have a thing for/contact with teenagers for dating because he ended up marrying an 18 or 19-y-o. Thus my snarky correction.
My apologies, GMan, if I misunderstood your comment.
Posted by: andycanuck at November 15, 2017 12:13 PM (mJ8mX)
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Roy Moore would be a shoo-in in the eyes of the Dems and GOPe if he'd only driven a car off a bridge and left a young lover to drown in the car, while he ran off like a coward to figure out how to salvage his political future.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 15, 2017 12:14 PM (PY9jH)
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Moore does give off a "creepy" vibe but I find it "fishy" that this many Women would wait so long to come out ..That's the suspicious part.... If this is successful look for it to be used on all Republicans running for any office...
Posted by: It's me donna at November 15, 2017 12:08 PM (O2RFr)
i don't know if i get a creepy vibe as i really only know the accusations about him. and as you said decades later.
I am totally with you on it will become a useful tool that only a rare person could defend themselves against.
lies are what the Dems are about, the unnerving part is republicans helping the fight against him.
but than again the republicans don't stand up for their voters either.
so..
Posted by: It's me donna at November 15, 2017 12:08 PM (O2RFr)
i don't know if i get a creepy vibe as i really only know the accusations about him. and as you said decades later.
I am totally with you on it will become a useful tool that only a rare person could defend themselves against.
lies are what the Dems are about, the unnerving part is republicans helping the fight against him.
but than again the republicans don't stand up for their voters either.
so..
Posted by: willow at November 15, 2017 12:14 PM (Zmz55)
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The accusers stepson said she's full of shit. Best evidence.
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Was he there? I've heard some tall tales about Alabama relations, but I'd be a mite surprised to hear of a 14 year old or 16 year old with a stepson old enough to recall...
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Was he there? I've heard some tall tales about Alabama relations, but I'd be a mite surprised to hear of a 14 year old or 16 year old with a stepson old enough to recall...
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at November 15, 2017 12:14 PM (SKaHS)
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The fact that it has NEVER come up before in his entire 40 year career....
Posted by: rickb223 at November 15, 2017 11:53 AM (4Hf9E)
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could the difference be that the press has never dug (with a backhoe) to find people he dated before?
In all of the other highly charged, contentious races he's been in? Not once? Ever?
He supposedly trolled the malls to the point of a ban, yet no opponent ever thought to use that or look into that? Ever?
Posted by: rickb223 at November 15, 2017 11:53 AM (4Hf9E)
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could the difference be that the press has never dug (with a backhoe) to find people he dated before?
In all of the other highly charged, contentious races he's been in? Not once? Ever?
He supposedly trolled the malls to the point of a ban, yet no opponent ever thought to use that or look into that? Ever?
Posted by: rickb223 at November 15, 2017 12:14 PM (4Hf9E)
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@204, and that describes one of my dad's cousins. Went to college and law school, worked on making partner, and was incredibly shy around women. Ended up getting married in this 30's to a woman in her early 20's.
For crying out loud, when I was in high school, one of my classmates started dating a guy who was 25 when she was 15, and they got married a couple of months after graduation. Every single one of my aunts and grandmothers got married between 16 and 19, and my great-grandmother got married at 13 (though the family lore is she did it to spite her mother). My mom bucked the trend by getting married at 20.
For crying out loud, when I was in high school, one of my classmates started dating a guy who was 25 when she was 15, and they got married a couple of months after graduation. Every single one of my aunts and grandmothers got married between 16 and 19, and my great-grandmother got married at 13 (though the family lore is she did it to spite her mother). My mom bucked the trend by getting married at 20.
Posted by: sunny-dee at November 15, 2017 12:14 PM (QAOZh)
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What's the age limit for statutory rape in Alabama?
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Doesnt apply. AT ALL!!
BECAUSE IT APPEARS THERE WAS NO SEX ALLEGED AND AS FAR AS ANYBODY CAN TELL THE ONLY HOTTIE HE BANGED WAS HIS WIFE.
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It's like Ann Coulter said a long time ago - Democrats like to dig up sex scandals on Republicans that don't involve any actual, you know, sex.
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Doesnt apply. AT ALL!!
BECAUSE IT APPEARS THERE WAS NO SEX ALLEGED AND AS FAR AS ANYBODY CAN TELL THE ONLY HOTTIE HE BANGED WAS HIS WIFE.
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It's like Ann Coulter said a long time ago - Democrats like to dig up sex scandals on Republicans that don't involve any actual, you know, sex.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at November 15, 2017 12:15 PM (vg8iE)
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Remember those Trump accusations that Allred never took anywhere? I think it went like this:
PDT: (Calls Allred) Gloria, President Trump here. Long time. You're lookin' good for your age. I hear your daughter's doing well for herself.
GA: Oh Donald, are you trying to bang me in the elevator again like you did 40 years ago?
PDT: Nope Gloria, I've got all the hot woman -- notice I'm saying woman -- I want or need. However, I am telling you that there will be a banging if you don't take your frauds and go away quietly.
GA: Oh please, Donald, I'm not a pushover.
PDT: No, Glo, you're not. But you're vain and you don't like being broke. You and I both know that I didn't do a thing to any of those women. What surprises me, though, is that you haven't yet figured out that a guy like me, and a guy like me in the positions of power I've been in, always has methods for ensuring that false accusations of harassment become provably false. I'm not going to share my techniques with you now, but suffice it to say I will prove my innocence and then I will sue your henchwoman until they declare bankruptcy, hahahaha, that's funny, and as we both know, damages for intentional torts and punitive damages are not dischargeable. Now, they may not have a dime to piss on, but you do, and unless you write them the mother of all CYA letters -- meaning you're going to counsel them to shut up and go away -- they're going to sue you for malpractice and they're going to hire *my* lawyer to do it.
GA: *What* women are you talking about, Donald?
PDT: Shalom, Glo.
PDT: (Calls Allred) Gloria, President Trump here. Long time. You're lookin' good for your age. I hear your daughter's doing well for herself.
GA: Oh Donald, are you trying to bang me in the elevator again like you did 40 years ago?
PDT: Nope Gloria, I've got all the hot woman -- notice I'm saying woman -- I want or need. However, I am telling you that there will be a banging if you don't take your frauds and go away quietly.
GA: Oh please, Donald, I'm not a pushover.
PDT: No, Glo, you're not. But you're vain and you don't like being broke. You and I both know that I didn't do a thing to any of those women. What surprises me, though, is that you haven't yet figured out that a guy like me, and a guy like me in the positions of power I've been in, always has methods for ensuring that false accusations of harassment become provably false. I'm not going to share my techniques with you now, but suffice it to say I will prove my innocence and then I will sue your henchwoman until they declare bankruptcy, hahahaha, that's funny, and as we both know, damages for intentional torts and punitive damages are not dischargeable. Now, they may not have a dime to piss on, but you do, and unless you write them the mother of all CYA letters -- meaning you're going to counsel them to shut up and go away -- they're going to sue you for malpractice and they're going to hire *my* lawyer to do it.
GA: *What* women are you talking about, Donald?
PDT: Shalom, Glo.
Posted by: SFGoth at November 15, 2017 12:15 PM (dZ756)
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I don't give two shits what it means.
Posted by: Country Boy at November 15, 2017 12:14 PM (Jcg9Q)
Good bye.
Posted by: Country Boy at November 15, 2017 12:14 PM (Jcg9Q)
Good bye.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 15, 2017 12:15 PM (wYseH)
218
This is a GOPe hit job. A squirrel perpetrated by a no-neck turtle.
Posted by: Fritz at November 15, 2017 12:15 PM (2Mnv1)
219
Roy Moore would be a shoo-in in the eyes of the Dems and GOPe if he'd only driven a car off a bridge and left a young lover to drown in the car, while he ran off like a coward to figure out how to salvage his political future.
Posted by: Jane D'oh
Or claim he is a muzzie.
Posted by: Jane D'oh
Or claim he is a muzzie.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 15, 2017 12:16 PM (4Hf9E)
220
doesn't it depend on her velocity?
Posted by: Masturbating Buzzsaw90 at November 15, 2017 12:10 PM (oGRue)
18-19 in FPS isn't much of a hit unless it's a car or wrecking ball.
Posted by: Masturbating Buzzsaw90 at November 15, 2017 12:10 PM (oGRue)
18-19 in FPS isn't much of a hit unless it's a car or wrecking ball.
Posted by: X-ray at November 15, 2017 12:16 PM (qCyRm)
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No, it has a specific meaning. Look it up. It applies to your arguments.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 15, 2017 12:08 PM (wYseH)
I don't give two shits what it means.
Posted by: Country Boy at November 15, 2017 12:14 PM (Jcg9Q)
As they say in soccer (/spit), tackle the ball, not the man.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 15, 2017 12:08 PM (wYseH)
I don't give two shits what it means.
Posted by: Country Boy at November 15, 2017 12:14 PM (Jcg9Q)
As they say in soccer (/spit), tackle the ball, not the man.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 15, 2017 12:16 PM (FIdOt)
222
Hmmm..... how many Songs have been written about underage Girls? or Boys?
17 by Winger?
Sweet Little 16? Chuck Berry
Donovan, Mellow Yellow where he talks about Mad about 14...
Foreigner Hot Blooded...
Stevie Nicks, Edge of 17.,...
KISS did one about a girl coming out of school...
So its OK for Rock stars, but not a Republican...
17 by Winger?
Sweet Little 16? Chuck Berry
Donovan, Mellow Yellow where he talks about Mad about 14...
Foreigner Hot Blooded...
Stevie Nicks, Edge of 17.,...
KISS did one about a girl coming out of school...
So its OK for Rock stars, but not a Republican...
Posted by: Don Q. at November 15, 2017 12:16 PM (NgKpN)
223
223: thanks, sunny. you get it.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at November 15, 2017 12:16 PM (KP5rU)
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Last weekend I actually agreed with Chuck Todd: Mitch is in cahoots. Moore is a proxy war between Mitch and Bannon.
Disagree with Ace about Moore. If he's elected the Senate can't not seat him over these allegations. There's a SCOTUS precedent right on point involving NYC Congressman Adam Clayton Powell.
The Senate can impeach him but it would be on the basis of mere allegations with only WaPo due process allowed. Like a Kollege Kangaroo Kourt. Hell of a precedent Mitch. To go down this path is to invite anarchy. Seriously.
Write-in candidates will split the vote and ensure a new D Senator.
Moore won't quit unless Trump asks him nicely.
Best court to judge this is the AL voters
Disagree with Ace about Moore. If he's elected the Senate can't not seat him over these allegations. There's a SCOTUS precedent right on point involving NYC Congressman Adam Clayton Powell.
The Senate can impeach him but it would be on the basis of mere allegations with only WaPo due process allowed. Like a Kollege Kangaroo Kourt. Hell of a precedent Mitch. To go down this path is to invite anarchy. Seriously.
Write-in candidates will split the vote and ensure a new D Senator.
Moore won't quit unless Trump asks him nicely.
Best court to judge this is the AL voters
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 15, 2017 12:16 PM (cAXIk)
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Not one of these hitwomen have alleged that they were either raped or that they had sex with Moore. I'm pretty sure statutory rape doesn't apply to nonsexual relationships\
Posted by: CN at November 15, 2017 12:16 PM (5gaNQ)
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And for those wanting a dose of humour against the Sturm und Drang here check out the DPRK News Service top recent tweets:
https://twitter.com/DPRK_News/
While it's very hard to tell, I'm pretty sure it's fake.
https://twitter.com/DPRK_News/
While it's very hard to tell, I'm pretty sure it's fake.
Posted by: tu3031 at November 15, 2017 12:16 PM (O5Q3r)
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It's like Ann Coulter said a long time ago -
Democrats like to dig up sex scandals on Republicans that don't involve
any actual, you know, sex.
Posted by: bicentennialguy
Say what you will about Ann Coulter, but she's one of the wittiest people I've read/heard.
Democrats like to dig up sex scandals on Republicans that don't involve
any actual, you know, sex.
Posted by: bicentennialguy
Say what you will about Ann Coulter, but she's one of the wittiest people I've read/heard.
Posted by: SFGoth at November 15, 2017 12:16 PM (dZ756)
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 15, 2017 12:16 PM (CzvOE)
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231 Hmmm..... how many Songs have been written about underage Girls? or Boys?
17 by Winger?
Sweet Little 16? Chuck Berry
Donovan, Mellow Yellow where he talks about Mad about 14...
Foreigner Hot Blooded...
Stevie Nicks, Edge of 17.,...
KISS did one about a girl coming out of school...
So its OK for Rock stars, but not a Republican...
Posted by: Don Q. at November 15, 2017 12:16 PM (NgKpN)
My Sharona - The Knack
17 by Winger?
Sweet Little 16? Chuck Berry
Donovan, Mellow Yellow where he talks about Mad about 14...
Foreigner Hot Blooded...
Stevie Nicks, Edge of 17.,...
KISS did one about a girl coming out of school...
So its OK for Rock stars, but not a Republican...
Posted by: Don Q. at November 15, 2017 12:16 PM (NgKpN)
My Sharona - The Knack
Posted by: Insomniac - El Perdedor at November 15, 2017 12:17 PM (NWiLs)
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as far as the mall cop now cop cop, that might be credible , lets' have some proof.
Posted by: willow at November 15, 2017 12:17 PM (Zmz55)
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Roy Moore would be a shoo-in in the eyes of the Dems and GOPe if he'd only driven a car off a bridge and left a young lover to drown in the car, while he ran off like a coward to figure out how to salvage his political future.
Posted by: Jane D'oh
Or claim he is a muzzie.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 15, 2017 12:16 PM (4Hf9E)
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Or ran a gay prostitution ring out of the basement of his home.
Posted by: Jane D'oh
Or claim he is a muzzie.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 15, 2017 12:16 PM (4Hf9E)
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Or ran a gay prostitution ring out of the basement of his home.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at November 15, 2017 12:17 PM (vg8iE)
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Or ran a gay prostitution ring out of the basement of his home.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at November 15, 2017 12:17 PM (vg8iE)
That's totes acceptable because Democrat and ghey.
Or ran a gay prostitution ring out of the basement of his home.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at November 15, 2017 12:17 PM (vg8iE)
That's totes acceptable because Democrat and ghey.
Posted by: Insomniac - El Perdedor at November 15, 2017 12:18 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: JAS at November 15, 2017 12:18 PM (Oj1RP)
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The real question should be, how has he conducted himself in marriage? Was all of this before marriage? Wild oats are strong ju ju until some lady sweeps a man off his feet and makes him hers.
Look at his life in marriage to see if he's changed his ways.
Every one of us have done things in our younger days that we knew were wrong, but we did them anyway. It's part of growing up.
Look at his life in marriage to see if he's changed his ways.
Every one of us have done things in our younger days that we knew were wrong, but we did them anyway. It's part of growing up.
Posted by: Soona at November 15, 2017 12:18 PM (ZAAkQ)
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Boy did I eff up. Into the barrel I go.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 15, 2017 12:18 PM (vtcmf)
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That's one hell of a barreling.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 15, 2017 12:18 PM (PY9jH)
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Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 15, 2017 12:18 PM (vtcmf)
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Dude.
You owe me a new scroll wheel.
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Dude.
You owe me a new scroll wheel.
Posted by: fixerupper at November 15, 2017 12:19 PM (8XRCm)
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Well it IS a BFD to do a triple Lulz right into the Barrel
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 15, 2017 12:19 PM (CzvOE)
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roll out the barrell
Posted by: Rick in SK at November 15, 2017 12:19 PM (FZYNt)
Posted by: JackStraw at November 15, 2017 12:19 PM (/tuJf)
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Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 15, 2017 12:18 PM (vtcmf)
Go directly to The Barrel. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200.
Go directly to The Barrel. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200.
Posted by: Insomniac - El Perdedor at November 15, 2017 12:19 PM (NWiLs)
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213 Keep in mind, gang, that I posted this on Thursday, November 9. At that point the only accusers were the 14-year-old and the three 16-18-year-olds. The mall stuff hadn't yet surfaced, nor had the yearbook stuff. Not sure if I'm going to give my opinion on the credibility of those yet, mostly because I don't yet have one.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 15, 2017 12:12 PM (xN1DB)
Pete, I'm willing to listen to you because you've got the correct expertise to evaluate this and the guts to go around as Masturbatin' Pete. Also, you're right: the reason Alabamans might back Moore now is to get back at the establishment, and that's a more powerful reason than the establishment seems to think.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 15, 2017 12:12 PM (xN1DB)
Pete, I'm willing to listen to you because you've got the correct expertise to evaluate this and the guts to go around as Masturbatin' Pete. Also, you're right: the reason Alabamans might back Moore now is to get back at the establishment, and that's a more powerful reason than the establishment seems to think.
Posted by: joncelli, predenounced for your pleasure at November 15, 2017 12:19 PM (RD7QR)
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Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 15, 2017 12:18 PM (vtcmf)
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Notorious now!
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Notorious now!
Posted by: RioBravo at November 15, 2017 12:19 PM (5NMZN)
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Best court to judge this is the AL voters
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 15, 2017 12:16 PM (cAXIk)
Bingo!
He will be their senator, not mine. It's up to them.
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 15, 2017 12:16 PM (cAXIk)
Bingo!
He will be their senator, not mine. It's up to them.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 15, 2017 12:19 PM (wYseH)
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One thing that is for sure whether you think the "charges" are credible or not, this is a coordinated planned attack on a candidate.
and secondly, its quite amazing how dems will line up and support their accused, but repubs will run away as fast possible just based on accusations. Dems have a significant advantage here.
One thing that is for sure whether you think the "charges" are credible or not, this is a coordinated planned attack on a candidate.
and secondly, its quite amazing how dems will line up and support their accused, but repubs will run away as fast possible just based on accusations. Dems have a significant advantage here.
Posted by: Masterbatin' Mohawk at November 15, 2017 12:19 PM (r+sAi)
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Hmmm..... how many Songs have been written about underage Girls? or Boys?
17 by Winger?
Sweet Little 16? Chuck Berry
Donovan, Mellow Yellow where he talks about Mad about 14...
Foreigner Hot Blooded...
Stevie Nicks, Edge of 17.,...
KISS did one about a girl coming out of school...
So its OK for Rock stars, but not a Republican...
Posted by: Don Q
Muh muh muh my Sharona!
Who stayed friends with Doug Fieger until his death and she credits that song with her becoming an L.A. real estate agent mogul. BUT, they're both MOT so there's that defense.
Hmmm..... how many Songs have been written about underage Girls? or Boys?
17 by Winger?
Sweet Little 16? Chuck Berry
Donovan, Mellow Yellow where he talks about Mad about 14...
Foreigner Hot Blooded...
Stevie Nicks, Edge of 17.,...
KISS did one about a girl coming out of school...
So its OK for Rock stars, but not a Republican...
Posted by: Don Q
Muh muh muh my Sharona!
Who stayed friends with Doug Fieger until his death and she credits that song with her becoming an L.A. real estate agent mogul. BUT, they're both MOT so there's that defense.
Posted by: SFGoth at November 15, 2017 12:19 PM (dZ756)
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Credibility to a defense attorney means anything that can throw a shade on the prosecutor s case, without getting the defense attorney sanctioned.
Posted by: Jean at November 15, 2017 12:19 PM (t8px3)
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Re: fingernails. This is only creative because it tries to do something nonsensical, like fart scented Air Wick. Or a white noise generator that played Yoko.
It reminded me of the C. S. Lewis quote from Abolition of Man: But the Nietzschean ethic can be accepted only if we are ready to scrap traditional morals as a mere error and then to put ourselves in a position where we can find no ground for any value judgements at all. It is the difference between a man who says to us: 'You like your vegetables moderately fresh; why not grow your own and have them perfectly fresh?' and a man who says, 'Throw away that loaf and try eating bricks and centipedes instead.'
What next? Maybe earrings with fake earwax globs, or noserings with fake mucus droplets forming.
It reminded me of the C. S. Lewis quote from Abolition of Man: But the Nietzschean ethic can be accepted only if we are ready to scrap traditional morals as a mere error and then to put ourselves in a position where we can find no ground for any value judgements at all. It is the difference between a man who says to us: 'You like your vegetables moderately fresh; why not grow your own and have them perfectly fresh?' and a man who says, 'Throw away that loaf and try eating bricks and centipedes instead.'
What next? Maybe earrings with fake earwax globs, or noserings with fake mucus droplets forming.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 15, 2017 12:19 PM (/qEW2)
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217 I was replying to comment #108 that I was quoting, Cicero
was not pointed at you, andy. I grabbed both posts at once.
My wife is Filipina. We were pen-friends for 9 months before I met her and her parents,. then another full year before she got her visa. we married two weeks after she turned 21. That is when she first kissed a man. we have been married 19 years... I got sick of meeting woman with several divorces and kids from multiple daddies, so I went the 'mail-order' route.
was not pointed at you, andy. I grabbed both posts at once.
My wife is Filipina. We were pen-friends for 9 months before I met her and her parents,. then another full year before she got her visa. we married two weeks after she turned 21. That is when she first kissed a man. we have been married 19 years... I got sick of meeting woman with several divorces and kids from multiple daddies, so I went the 'mail-order' route.
Posted by: Cicero Boom chicka boom Kaboom! Kid, at November 15, 2017 12:20 PM (EK6pT)
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Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 15, 2017 12:18 PM (vtcmf)
Well said.
Up to the last sentence, at least.
Well said.
Up to the last sentence, at least.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 15, 2017 12:20 PM (FIdOt)
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224, Posted by: Ignoramus at November 15, 2017 12:16 PM (cAXIk)
That is the best summary I've read so far and you are absolutely right, it is up to the Alabama voters to decide. Whatever we think or believe with regards to Moore, it does not matter..only what the voters in Alabama want for a senator.
That is the best summary I've read so far and you are absolutely right, it is up to the Alabama voters to decide. Whatever we think or believe with regards to Moore, it does not matter..only what the voters in Alabama want for a senator.
Posted by: IC at November 15, 2017 12:20 PM (a0IVu)
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could the difference be that the press has never dug (with a backhoe) to find people he dated before?
I'd still love to know how much time/resources the poured into that effort.
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Most of it would have come out with the 10 Commandments controversies. It didn't. I see it as more DC decreeing what a State should elect. AFAIK, Moore never got $ from RNC, Luther got a boat-load and he still lost.
I'd still love to know how much time/resources the poured into that effort.
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Most of it would have come out with the 10 Commandments controversies. It didn't. I see it as more DC decreeing what a State should elect. AFAIK, Moore never got $ from RNC, Luther got a boat-load and he still lost.
Posted by: mustbequantum at November 15, 2017 12:20 PM (MIKMs)
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When I screw up, I don't do it half-assed.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 15, 2017 12:20 PM (vtcmf)
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It's hard to believe the accusations about Moore. And, if they are true, so what? This happened 40 years ago. There's nothing that indicates he's continued to kiss young girls. He is not accused of rape. And if there was any substance to this, it would have come out years ago.
Meanwhile, true assault and rape can safely be ignored, since it's happening in Hollywood.
Meanwhile, true assault and rape can safely be ignored, since it's happening in Hollywood.
Posted by: notsothoreau at November 15, 2017 12:20 PM (JKNZq)
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Whoa! Hope the barrel is deep.
Posted by: Under Fire at November 15, 2017 12:20 PM (r9UYA)
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Yes, the DPRK Twitter feed is a parody. (Thus my use of 'satirical'.)
Posted by: andycanuck at November 15, 2017 12:20 PM (mJ8mX)
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You forgot "I Want Candy" as sung by a 14 year old with a Mohawk
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 15, 2017 12:20 PM (CzvOE)
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I just hate the country we've become.
And it's mostly not OUR fault but other idiots who don't understand what they're doing is so evil.
And it's mostly not OUR fault but other idiots who don't understand what they're doing is so evil.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Back from the Dead and Toxically Masculine) at November 15, 2017 12:22 PM (hVoJQ)
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254 When I screw up, I don't do it half-assed.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 15, 2017 12:20 PM (vtcmf)
Now the proper way to screw up is to quote the entire thread, easily done with a sweep of the mouse.
Not that I know anyone who's done anything that stupid, of course.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 15, 2017 12:20 PM (vtcmf)
Now the proper way to screw up is to quote the entire thread, easily done with a sweep of the mouse.
Not that I know anyone who's done anything that stupid, of course.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 15, 2017 12:22 PM (FIdOt)
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Meanwhile, true assault and rape can safely be ignored, since it's happening in Hollywood.
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Every time one of them yaps about Moore..... that video of all of Hollywood giving Roman "Poke a Minor in the Butt" Polanski a standing ovation, needs to be shown.
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Every time one of them yaps about Moore..... that video of all of Hollywood giving Roman "Poke a Minor in the Butt" Polanski a standing ovation, needs to be shown.
Posted by: fixerupper at November 15, 2017 12:22 PM (8XRCm)
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#250 Yes, Cicero, alot the Morons and Ettes at the HQ have a 14- 15-year age difference with their spouses.
Posted by: andycanuck at November 15, 2017 12:22 PM (mJ8mX)
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Jackstraw,
Thanks for the link to the article
I agree the door lock thing is a read herring based on the speed of the attack the accuser describes.
Basically the story is:
Guy shows up for months staying all night at the lunch counter. Searing himself into her memory as the DA. The friggin brags he's the DA to her over and over.
Dec22 he signs and dates a yearbook.
1 week or so later attempts a violent rape in the back of the restaurant moments after it closes; and she and he are the only ones there. No dishwasher emptying the trash into the dumpster, no banging out the rubber mats and hosing off the garbage cans, to stumble across them. No night manager closing the cash drawers. 10:00 pm boom everyone out the door. Its almost like there are no other people in the world in this story.
All of this happens right before her boyfriend shows up a few minutes late to drive her home. Literally everyone left the restaurant all at once with her and this guy standing alone in front, with her boyfriend on the way , but late. Moore swoops in and takes her to the back and in a flash tries to rape her and then quits and he is out of there peeling rubber, right as she walks around front and her boy friend drives up.
She quit the next day never told anyone and never saw Moore again.
There is part of the story missing here I think.
Thanks for the link to the article
I agree the door lock thing is a read herring based on the speed of the attack the accuser describes.
Basically the story is:
Guy shows up for months staying all night at the lunch counter. Searing himself into her memory as the DA. The friggin brags he's the DA to her over and over.
Dec22 he signs and dates a yearbook.
1 week or so later attempts a violent rape in the back of the restaurant moments after it closes; and she and he are the only ones there. No dishwasher emptying the trash into the dumpster, no banging out the rubber mats and hosing off the garbage cans, to stumble across them. No night manager closing the cash drawers. 10:00 pm boom everyone out the door. Its almost like there are no other people in the world in this story.
All of this happens right before her boyfriend shows up a few minutes late to drive her home. Literally everyone left the restaurant all at once with her and this guy standing alone in front, with her boyfriend on the way , but late. Moore swoops in and takes her to the back and in a flash tries to rape her and then quits and he is out of there peeling rubber, right as she walks around front and her boy friend drives up.
She quit the next day never told anyone and never saw Moore again.
There is part of the story missing here I think.
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at November 15, 2017 12:22 PM (ymnmz)
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What exactly is so credible?
Posted by: Oedipus
When you have statements from contemporaries affirming that the person told them the same story 40 years ago, it adds to the credibility.
When you have mall workers come forward stating they were warned about Moore harassing young girls, it adds to the credibility.
None of this would hold up in a court of law.. he probably did not commit a crime.. (though forcing someone's face into your crotch might well be a crime) The bottom line is the man is/was at the very least a creep and at worst a sexual predator who used his power and position for sex and/or to silence his prey.. he should drop out.
What exactly is so credible?
Posted by: Oedipus
When you have statements from contemporaries affirming that the person told them the same story 40 years ago, it adds to the credibility.
When you have mall workers come forward stating they were warned about Moore harassing young girls, it adds to the credibility.
None of this would hold up in a court of law.. he probably did not commit a crime.. (though forcing someone's face into your crotch might well be a crime) The bottom line is the man is/was at the very least a creep and at worst a sexual predator who used his power and position for sex and/or to silence his prey.. he should drop out.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 15, 2017 12:23 PM (so+oy)
Posted by: DaveA at November 15, 2017 12:23 PM (FhXTo)
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In all of the other highly charged, contentious races he's been in? Not once? Ever?
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national race brought in national media resources.
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national race brought in national media resources.
Posted by: Masturbating Buzzsaw90 at November 15, 2017 12:24 PM (oGRue)
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Last!
Posted by: Masturbatin' Mohican at November 15, 2017 12:24 PM (QLvwG)
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I find it interesting that Strange had 30M and could not verify these allegations, and he was in a death match with Moore a few months ago.
Posted by: Jean at November 15, 2017 12:24 PM (t8px3)
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Credibility to a defense attorney means anything that can throw a shade
on the prosecutor s case, without getting the defense attorney
sanctioned.
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Misty, water-colored memories . . .
HRC took care of a very young accuser with compelling physical evidence and permanent physical disability back in the day.
Moore accusations just seem quaint compared to that.
on the prosecutor s case, without getting the defense attorney
sanctioned.
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Misty, water-colored memories . . .
HRC took care of a very young accuser with compelling physical evidence and permanent physical disability back in the day.
Moore accusations just seem quaint compared to that.
Posted by: mustbequantum at November 15, 2017 12:24 PM (MIKMs)
Posted by: Don Q. at November 15, 2017 12:24 PM (NgKpN)
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Did someone get sent to the cornfield? Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Under Fire at November 15, 2017 12:25 PM (r9UYA)
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what's miley virus have to say about this degenerate bullshit? where the fuck is roman polanski? meryl streeps' hero? fuck all these assholes.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at November 15, 2017 12:25 PM (KP5rU)
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>>>>could the difference be that the press has never dug (with a backhoe) to find people he dated before?
I'd still love to know how much time/resources the poured into that effort.
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Most
of it would have come out with the 10 Commandments controversies. It
didn't. I see it as more DC decreeing what a State should elect. AFAIK,
Moore never got $ from RNC, Luther got a boat-load and he still lost.
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.This! Everything would have come out at that time if there were anything to this. Moore was in the National spotlight over that controversy and everyone who was anyone was digging up any rumor or dirt they could find to try and make him look bad.
I'd still love to know how much time/resources the poured into that effort.
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Most
of it would have come out with the 10 Commandments controversies. It
didn't. I see it as more DC decreeing what a State should elect. AFAIK,
Moore never got $ from RNC, Luther got a boat-load and he still lost.
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.This! Everything would have come out at that time if there were anything to this. Moore was in the National spotlight over that controversy and everyone who was anyone was digging up any rumor or dirt they could find to try and make him look bad.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 15, 2017 12:25 PM (+Dllb)
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Now the proper way to screw up is to quote the entire thread, easily done with a sweep of the mouse.
Not that I know anyone who's done anything that stupid, of course.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
**cough No idea what you are talking about cough*
Not that I know anyone who's done anything that stupid, of course.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
**cough No idea what you are talking about cough*
Posted by: rickb223 at November 15, 2017 12:26 PM (4Hf9E)
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"national race brought in national media resources."
Not a national race. If it is, I'll be voting for him
Not a national race. If it is, I'll be voting for him
Posted by: Rob Crawford at November 15, 2017 12:26 PM (Tm5I3)
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national race brought in national media resources.
Posted by: Masturbating Buzzsaw90 at November 15, 2017 12:24 PM (oGRue)
National race brought in national Democrat Party operatives.
The media didn't break this story. The Democrat Party did. Hell, the accuser is on the staff (I know, phrasing) of Moore's opponent, and is now represented by The Weasel. They're one step short of wearing a sandwich board sign proclaiming "It's a hit job."
Posted by: Masturbating Buzzsaw90 at November 15, 2017 12:24 PM (oGRue)
National race brought in national Democrat Party operatives.
The media didn't break this story. The Democrat Party did. Hell, the accuser is on the staff (I know, phrasing) of Moore's opponent, and is now represented by The Weasel. They're one step short of wearing a sandwich board sign proclaiming "It's a hit job."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 15, 2017 12:26 PM (FIdOt)
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Posted by: mustbequantum at November 15, 2017 12:20 PM (MIKMs)
This. These accusations are *exactly* the sort of thing the press would have *loved* to use against a "right wing Christian". It is ready made to be a Law and Order SVU episode and for them to have not used it at that psychologically perfect time indicates it wasn't available for use.
This. These accusations are *exactly* the sort of thing the press would have *loved* to use against a "right wing Christian". It is ready made to be a Law and Order SVU episode and for them to have not used it at that psychologically perfect time indicates it wasn't available for use.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at November 15, 2017 12:26 PM (rp9xB)
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I award Masturbatin' Pete two internets for that emission. Don't spend them all in one place.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 15, 2017 12:26 PM (tbOMB)
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Regarding Pete's nic, let he who's never jacked it cast the first stone.
Posted by: Captain Hate at November 15, 2017 12:26 PM (y7DUB)
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>>This one?
That was ok but the one I was talking about included turkey violation and a different kind of secret stuffing sauce.
Seems like it's been scoured from the intertubes.
That was ok but the one I was talking about included turkey violation and a different kind of secret stuffing sauce.
Seems like it's been scoured from the intertubes.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 15, 2017 12:27 PM (/tuJf)
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" it does not matter..only what the voters in Alabama want for a senator."
Yep.
Mitch should not act likes it's his prerogative about who gets to join his club. That's not constitutional. So sayeth SCOTUS.
Yep.
Mitch should not act likes it's his prerogative about who gets to join his club. That's not constitutional. So sayeth SCOTUS.
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 15, 2017 12:27 PM (cAXIk)
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Well in about 20 years there is gonna be alot of people ineligible to be politicians because of their sexting social media posts. unless they run as democrats.
Well in about 20 years there is gonna be alot of people ineligible to be politicians because of their sexting social media posts. unless they run as democrats.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 15, 2017 12:27 PM (r+sAi)
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278 Regarding Pete's nic, let he who's never jacked it cast the first stone.
Posted by: Captain Hate
you mean jacked off in the last 5 minutes?
Posted by: Captain Hate
you mean jacked off in the last 5 minutes?
Posted by: Rick in SK at November 15, 2017 12:27 PM (FZYNt)
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"When you have mall workers come forward stating they were warned about Moore harassing young girls, it adds to the credibility."
Everything about the mall is hearsay and bullshit.
Everything about the mall is hearsay and bullshit.
Posted by: Rob Crawford at November 15, 2017 12:27 PM (Tm5I3)
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Well I remember everything as if it were only yesrday.
Parking by the diner and the was not another car in sight.
And I never had a girl looking any better than you did
And all the kids at your school were wishing they were me that night.
Well I remember everything as if it were only yesrday.
Parking by the diner and the was not another car in sight.
And I never had a girl looking any better than you did
And all the kids at your school were wishing they were me that night.
Posted by: fixerupper at November 15, 2017 12:28 PM (8XRCm)
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I find it interesting that Strange had 30M and could not verify these allegations, and he was in a death match with Moore a few months ago.
Posted by: Jean
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I hate McConnell as much as everyone else, but isn't that pretty compelling evidence that this hit job is not his doing?
I mean if you were going to blow that kind of money, it makes sense you would trot these out (or make them up depending on where you stand) during the primary?
Posted by: Jean
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I hate McConnell as much as everyone else, but isn't that pretty compelling evidence that this hit job is not his doing?
I mean if you were going to blow that kind of money, it makes sense you would trot these out (or make them up depending on where you stand) during the primary?
Posted by: Maritime at November 15, 2017 12:28 PM (lKmt3)
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"The media didn't break this story. The Democrat Party did."
Objection -- those two are the same entity.
Objection -- those two are the same entity.
Posted by: Rob Crawford at November 15, 2017 12:28 PM (Tm5I3)
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this is really reminiscent of the Caine accusations . Did we find out if they were actually true or did the women involved in the accusations and Possible truth in those accusations find themselves sufficiently suffonsified with the primary loss?
or did they carry it through?
or did they carry it through?
Posted by: willow at November 15, 2017 12:28 PM (Zmz55)
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Heh. I was emailing Tami's post to my other email account and copy/pasted part of it into my epic fail post. I knew better than to do that. What a maroon.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 15, 2017 12:28 PM (vtcmf)
Posted by: Joan Jett at November 15, 2017 12:28 PM (QLvwG)
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253 When I screw up, I don't do it half-assed.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 15, 2017 12:20 PM (vtcmf)
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something something Shep Smith something
Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 15, 2017 12:20 PM (vtcmf)
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something something Shep Smith something
Posted by: Masturbating Buzzsaw90 at November 15, 2017 12:29 PM (oGRue)
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263: hey jerry, stick to chitown bullshit. when you get that shit cleaned up, chime in my man. oh, that's right, no skeletons in the holy city on the lake. chime on.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at November 15, 2017 12:29 PM (KP5rU)
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Regarding Pete's nic, let he who's never jacked it cast the first stone.
Posted by: Captain Hate
you mean jacked off in the last 5 minutes?
Posted by: Rick in SK
Three. Three minutes.
Posted by: Captain Hate
you mean jacked off in the last 5 minutes?
Posted by: Rick in SK
Three. Three minutes.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 15, 2017 12:30 PM (4Hf9E)
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This. These accusations are *exactly* the sort of thing the press would have *loved* to use against a "right wing Christian". It is ready made to be a Law and Order SVU episode and for them to have not used it at that psychologically perfect time indicates it wasn't available for use.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at November 15, 2017 12:26 PM (rp9xB)
And this shortly after the Reds were excoriating Mike Pence for never having tete-a-tete dinners with women other than his wife. What a prude!
Of course, if he had dinner with another woman, with his wife also present, the Reds would be howling that he was arranging a threesome.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at November 15, 2017 12:26 PM (rp9xB)
And this shortly after the Reds were excoriating Mike Pence for never having tete-a-tete dinners with women other than his wife. What a prude!
Of course, if he had dinner with another woman, with his wife also present, the Reds would be howling that he was arranging a threesome.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 15, 2017 12:30 PM (FIdOt)
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Posted by: chavez the hugo at November 15, 2017 12:10 PM (KP5rU)
I'd like to add that when I was 14-16, I would have found a thirty year old dude old and creepy. My friends were the same way.
I'd like to add that when I was 14-16, I would have found a thirty year old dude old and creepy. My friends were the same way.
Posted by: CaliGirl at November 15, 2017 12:30 PM (Ri/rl)
Posted by: Rick in SK at November 15, 2017 12:30 PM (FZYNt)
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286 "The media didn't break this story. The Democrat Party did."
Objection -- those two are the same entity.
Posted by: Rob Crawford at November 15, 2017 12:28 PM (Tm5I3)
Well, there is that.
Objection -- those two are the same entity.
Posted by: Rob Crawford at November 15, 2017 12:28 PM (Tm5I3)
Well, there is that.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 15, 2017 12:31 PM (FIdOt)
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Moore won't quit unless Trump asks him nicely.
Best court to judge this is the AL voters
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 15, 2017 12:16 PM (cAXIk)
Moore shouldn't quit even if Trump inserts himself (which hopefully he has the sense not to do). This kind of subversion of the will of the people by the uniparty cannot be allowed to work.
Best court to judge this is the AL voters
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 15, 2017 12:16 PM (cAXIk)
Moore shouldn't quit even if Trump inserts himself (which hopefully he has the sense not to do). This kind of subversion of the will of the people by the uniparty cannot be allowed to work.
Posted by: redbanzai at November 15, 2017 12:31 PM (9nCnN)
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Strawberry Wine and seventeen
The hot July moon saw everything
First taste of love, oh bittersweet
The hot July moon saw everything
First taste of love, oh bittersweet
Posted by: Deanna Carter at November 15, 2017 12:31 PM (QLvwG)
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Everything about the mall is hearsay and bullshit.
Posted by: Rob Crawford
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You apparently do not know the meaning of the word "hearsay".
Posted by: Rob Crawford
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You apparently do not know the meaning of the word "hearsay".
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 15, 2017 12:31 PM (so+oy)
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cali, same here, that was oooold man!
Posted by: willow at November 15, 2017 12:31 PM (Zmz55)
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"I hate McConnell as much as everyone else, but isn't that pretty compelling evidence that this hit job is not his doing? "
Mitch's allies were denouncing Moore within an hour of the WaPo story getting released. Chuck Todd pointed this out last weekend.
Mitch's allies were denouncing Moore within an hour of the WaPo story getting released. Chuck Todd pointed this out last weekend.
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 15, 2017 12:31 PM (cAXIk)
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Nostrildamus (No Smoothies) at November 15, 2017 12:31 PM (QBsU+)
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cali, i had thought a 30 sumthin was more 'my parents' generation , truth.
Posted by: willow at November 15, 2017 12:32 PM (Zmz55)
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nood
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 15, 2017 12:32 PM (mpXpK)
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Everything about the mall is hearsay and bullshit.
Posted by: Rob Crawford at November 15, 2017 12:27 PM (Tm5I3)
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I think much of this smear job is hearsay and bullshit if not flat out lies.
Posted by: Rob Crawford at November 15, 2017 12:27 PM (Tm5I3)
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I think much of this smear job is hearsay and bullshit if not flat out lies.
Posted by: Soona at November 15, 2017 12:32 PM (ZAAkQ)
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cbd you are fucking dickhead
Posted by: flea circus at November 15, 2017 12:32 PM (xlESs)
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"You apparently do not know the meaning of the word "hearsay"."
Dude says some cop told him something. That's hearsay.
Dude says some cop told him something. That's hearsay.
Posted by: Rob Crawford at November 15, 2017 12:32 PM (Tm5I3)
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249
What next? Maybe earrings with fake earwax globs, or noserings with fake mucus droplets forming.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear
Those nails look like something for someone trying to slum among the meth heads.
Might be useful for undercover LE work, though.
What next? Maybe earrings with fake earwax globs, or noserings with fake mucus droplets forming.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear
Those nails look like something for someone trying to slum among the meth heads.
Might be useful for undercover LE work, though.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at November 15, 2017 12:32 PM (di1hb)
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I bow to you if you can do it 3 times in 3 minutes
Posted by: Rick in SK at November 15, 2017 12:30 PM (FZYNt)
Once, in a business meeting, some idiot was blathering about "tough competition."
A rather staid colleague of mine, looking straight ahead, intoned, "Someone coming in first and third in a ten man circle-jerk, now THAT'S tough competition."
Posted by: Rick in SK at November 15, 2017 12:30 PM (FZYNt)
Once, in a business meeting, some idiot was blathering about "tough competition."
A rather staid colleague of mine, looking straight ahead, intoned, "Someone coming in first and third in a ten man circle-jerk, now THAT'S tough competition."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 15, 2017 12:32 PM (FIdOt)
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Not a national race. If it is, I'll be voting for him
Posted by: Rob Crawford at November 15, 2017 12:26 PM (Tm5I3)
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national in that he will be voting on things that will affect the nation. As opposed to a state level office.
Posted by: Rob Crawford at November 15, 2017 12:26 PM (Tm5I3)
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national in that he will be voting on things that will affect the nation. As opposed to a state level office.
Posted by: Masturbating Buzzsaw90 at November 15, 2017 12:32 PM (oGRue)
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I hate McConnell as much as everyone else, but isn't that pretty compelling evidence that this hit job is not his doing?
Yeah, he just agreed with it and wanted Moore to step down less than an hour after the story was broken.
Yeah, he just agreed with it and wanted Moore to step down less than an hour after the story was broken.
Posted by: andycanuck at November 15, 2017 12:33 PM (mJ8mX)
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i dunno did he? and maybe handed out a coke with hair on it?
Posted by: willow at November 15, 2017 12:33 PM (Zmz55)
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117
Fuck. He wasn't looking to bang (underage) girls; he was looking for a
wife in rural AL after he'd been away for around 10 years (including in
Nam) at a time when the average women's marriage age in the U.S. was 21
years.
Posted by: andycanuck at November 15, 2017 11:53 AM
This is very true. Especially if he did not want a divorcee with three ready made children that he would have to support. AND this extended time in the military and school essentially made him behind socially/economically in the mating game.
Fuck. He wasn't looking to bang (underage) girls; he was looking for a
wife in rural AL after he'd been away for around 10 years (including in
Nam) at a time when the average women's marriage age in the U.S. was 21
years.
Posted by: andycanuck at November 15, 2017 11:53 AM
This is very true. Especially if he did not want a divorcee with three ready made children that he would have to support. AND this extended time in the military and school essentially made him behind socially/economically in the mating game.
Posted by: Lester at November 15, 2017 12:33 PM (LfJIn)
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Repeal the 17th. Easy, peasy.
Posted by: Cicero Boom chicka boom Kaboom! Kid, at November 15, 2017 12:33 PM (EK6pT)
Posted by: McCartney and Lennon at November 15, 2017 12:33 PM (QLvwG)
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 15, 2017 12:33 PM (CzvOE)
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300 cali, same here, that was oooold man!
Posted by: willow at November 15, 2017 12:31 PM (Zmz55)
I know, I keep thinking who are these girls that supposedly dated him? No one I know would have done that. The oldest guy you would date is maybe 19, and that's if you were 16.
Posted by: willow at November 15, 2017 12:31 PM (Zmz55)
I know, I keep thinking who are these girls that supposedly dated him? No one I know would have done that. The oldest guy you would date is maybe 19, and that's if you were 16.
Posted by: CaliGirl at November 15, 2017 12:34 PM (Ri/rl)
Posted by: andycanuck at November 15, 2017 12:34 PM (mJ8mX)
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205 Keep in mind, gang, that I posted this on Thursday, November 9. At that point the only accusers were the 14-year-old and the three 16-18-year-olds.....
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 15, 2017 12:12 PM (xN1DB)
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Do you not think it is just a bit prejudicial to call the three 16-18 yr olds "accusers?"
Of what crime are they "accusing" him? Going out with someone of legal age?
There was only ONE accuser at that point.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 15, 2017 12:12 PM (xN1DB)
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Do you not think it is just a bit prejudicial to call the three 16-18 yr olds "accusers?"
Of what crime are they "accusing" him? Going out with someone of legal age?
There was only ONE accuser at that point.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 15, 2017 12:34 PM (0jtPF)
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"Mitch's allies were denouncing Moore within an hour of the WaPo story getting released. Chuck Todd pointed this out last weekend."
Strange had the claim, fed it upstream to Mitch, but no proof because it's B.S.. WaPo gets involved, pays, we, reimburses a couple of sources, and runs with something they'd ignore if there was a D after the guy's name.
Strange had the claim, fed it upstream to Mitch, but no proof because it's B.S.. WaPo gets involved, pays, we, reimburses a couple of sources, and runs with something they'd ignore if there was a D after the guy's name.
Posted by: Rob Crawford at November 15, 2017 12:35 PM (Tm5I3)
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>>>>I hate McConnell as much as everyone else, but isn't that pretty compelling evidence that this hit job is not his doing?
I mean if you were going to blow that kind of money, it makes sense
you would trot these out (or make them up depending on where you stand)
during the primary?
.
.
.I think that's the whole point of this exercise, it's all made up and it only got made up after Strange lost. Remember the gop(e) knew Strange was a shoo in for the spot because he stomped all over Moore in the run off. Kind of like hillary and November last year, everyone knew with absolute certainty that she was going to win and the same thing happened here.
What they didn't plan on was Moore beating Strange in the Actual Primary. They had to make this up and that takes a little time.
I mean if you were going to blow that kind of money, it makes sense
you would trot these out (or make them up depending on where you stand)
during the primary?
.
.
.I think that's the whole point of this exercise, it's all made up and it only got made up after Strange lost. Remember the gop(e) knew Strange was a shoo in for the spot because he stomped all over Moore in the run off. Kind of like hillary and November last year, everyone knew with absolute certainty that she was going to win and the same thing happened here.
What they didn't plan on was Moore beating Strange in the Actual Primary. They had to make this up and that takes a little time.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 15, 2017 12:35 PM (+Dllb)
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I hate McConnell as much as everyone else, but isn't that pretty compelling evidence that this hit job is not his doing?
I mean if you were going to blow that kind of money, it makes sense
you would trot these out (or make them up depending on where you stand)
during the primary?
Posted by: Maritime at November 15, 2017 12:28 PM (lKmt3)
Apparently Luther Strange looking into the allegations during the primary but could not find any corroborating evidence... I think the GOPe and McConnell stopped caring if the allegations are true or not when faced with the prospect of sharing their sandbox with another icky conservative.
I think they would rather burn this country to the ground rather than see us Tea Party types have power.
I mean if you were going to blow that kind of money, it makes sense
you would trot these out (or make them up depending on where you stand)
during the primary?
Posted by: Maritime at November 15, 2017 12:28 PM (lKmt3)
Apparently Luther Strange looking into the allegations during the primary but could not find any corroborating evidence... I think the GOPe and McConnell stopped caring if the allegations are true or not when faced with the prospect of sharing their sandbox with another icky conservative.
I think they would rather burn this country to the ground rather than see us Tea Party types have power.
Posted by: redbanzai at November 15, 2017 12:35 PM (9nCnN)
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this is really reminiscent of the Caine accusations . Did we find out if they were actually true or did the women involved in the accusations and Possible truth in those accusations find themselves sufficiently suffonsified with the primary loss?
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yes, the strawberries were stolen. it was proved with geometric logic.
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yes, the strawberries were stolen. it was proved with geometric logic.
Posted by: Masturbating Buzzsaw90 at November 15, 2017 12:35 PM (oGRue)
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235
Boy did I eff up. Into the barrel I go.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 15, 2017 12:18 PM (vtcmf)
What kind of jackass . . . ?
Hint: Me, yesterday rant thread.
Boy did I eff up. Into the barrel I go.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 15, 2017 12:18 PM (vtcmf)
What kind of jackass . . . ?
Hint: Me, yesterday rant thread.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 15, 2017 12:35 PM (tbOMB)
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303 cali, i had thought a 30 sumthin was more 'my parents' generation , truth.
Posted by: willow at November 15, 2017 12:32 PM (Zmz55)
Word.
Posted by: willow at November 15, 2017 12:32 PM (Zmz55)
Word.
Posted by: CaliGirl at November 15, 2017 12:35 PM (Ri/rl)
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294; as would most normal girls. caligirl, i think roy traveled on a different plain. i used to see those dudes all the time. pathetic. they kept doing it until they hit the lottery. still happens.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at November 15, 2017 12:35 PM (KP5rU)
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Posted by: flea circus at November 15, 2017 12:36 PM (xlESs)
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I get into a few arguments with people here about Penn State. It's a local thing, we read the paper, we heard about it several times a day on the news for years. Please concede that. People like Bander and I (also a PS person) have a much different opinion on who was right, wrong, and who should have been hung from the highest flagpole.
In this case, I'm going to defer to residents of AL to make the right decision. They have local customs, morals, and whether generations of Southern Dads told their sons, ''Get 'em while they're young boy. Take my word for it.'' -- or some equivalent.
The story from the '14 year old' strains the bounds of credibility in my opinion. Nearly bursting at the seams.
Hopefully Alabama folks will get it right.
I get into a few arguments with people here about Penn State. It's a local thing, we read the paper, we heard about it several times a day on the news for years. Please concede that. People like Bander and I (also a PS person) have a much different opinion on who was right, wrong, and who should have been hung from the highest flagpole.
In this case, I'm going to defer to residents of AL to make the right decision. They have local customs, morals, and whether generations of Southern Dads told their sons, ''Get 'em while they're young boy. Take my word for it.'' -- or some equivalent.
The story from the '14 year old' strains the bounds of credibility in my opinion. Nearly bursting at the seams.
Hopefully Alabama folks will get it right.
Posted by: Ace Tractor Seat Supply at November 15, 2017 12:36 PM (ajiE5)
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"No Reasonable Prosecutor Would Bring Such a Case"
Moore's never going to get charged with anything, so this should be tried in the court of public opinion with Alabama voters as the jurors.
Moore's never going to get charged with anything, so this should be tried in the court of public opinion with Alabama voters as the jurors.
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 15, 2017 12:36 PM (cAXIk)
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Posted by: Maritime at November 15, 2017 12:28 PM (lKmt3)
He didn't do it, but he couldn't wait to get on record as denouncing Moore once the hit-piece came out. I am stunned that these weasels are so secure in their place in DC that they feel free to throw out presumption of innocence as a legal basis. Or they are simply too short-sighted to see that will apply to them as well. Short-sighted or entrenched in corruption, either way it's just more proof that they need to be removed from those positions.
He didn't do it, but he couldn't wait to get on record as denouncing Moore once the hit-piece came out. I am stunned that these weasels are so secure in their place in DC that they feel free to throw out presumption of innocence as a legal basis. Or they are simply too short-sighted to see that will apply to them as well. Short-sighted or entrenched in corruption, either way it's just more proof that they need to be removed from those positions.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at November 15, 2017 12:37 PM (rp9xB)
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Moore won't quit unless Trump asks him nicely.
Best court to judge this is the AL voters
Posted by: Ignoramus
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I think Trump should get everyone on board with something like a write in "Jeff Sessions" campaign and then have the Governor appoint someone not named Luther Strange.
A couple rallies and maybe push the election date off (I believe they can extend it) so they can educate everyone with direct mail, etc
Moore won't quit unless Trump inserts himself, and even then he probably will then be fighting Trump with his candidacy if they do a write in.
So then you'll have Moore saying he wants to drain the swamp of Trump, etc
Best court to judge this is the AL voters
Posted by: Ignoramus
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I think Trump should get everyone on board with something like a write in "Jeff Sessions" campaign and then have the Governor appoint someone not named Luther Strange.
A couple rallies and maybe push the election date off (I believe they can extend it) so they can educate everyone with direct mail, etc
Moore won't quit unless Trump inserts himself, and even then he probably will then be fighting Trump with his candidacy if they do a write in.
So then you'll have Moore saying he wants to drain the swamp of Trump, etc
Posted by: Maritime at November 15, 2017 12:37 PM (lKmt3)
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17 by Winger?
Sweet Little 16? Chuck Berry
Donovan, Mellow Yellow where he talks about Mad about 14...
Foreigner Hot Blooded...
Stevie Nicks, Edge of 17.,...
KISS did one about a girl coming out of school...
So its OK for Rock stars, but not a Republican...
Posted by: Don Q. at November 15, 2017 12:16 PM (NgKpN)
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Don't Stand So Close to Me (by The Police)
Song about an underage girl and the teacher who is hot for her.
"It's no use, he sees her
He starts to shake and cough
Just like the old man in
That book by Nabakov" [Nabakov wrote "Lolita"]
Sweet Little 16? Chuck Berry
Donovan, Mellow Yellow where he talks about Mad about 14...
Foreigner Hot Blooded...
Stevie Nicks, Edge of 17.,...
KISS did one about a girl coming out of school...
So its OK for Rock stars, but not a Republican...
Posted by: Don Q. at November 15, 2017 12:16 PM (NgKpN)
________________
Don't Stand So Close to Me (by The Police)
Song about an underage girl and the teacher who is hot for her.
"It's no use, he sees her
He starts to shake and cough
Just like the old man in
That book by Nabakov" [Nabakov wrote "Lolita"]
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at November 15, 2017 12:37 PM (BXf9o)
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Keep in mind, gang, that I posted this on Thursday, November 9. At that point the only accusers were the 14-year-old and the three 16-18-year-olds. The mall stuff hadn't yet surfaced, nor had the yearbook stuff. Not sure if I'm going to give my opinion on the credibility of those yet, mostly because I don't yet have one.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 15, 2017 12:12 PM (xN1DB)
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My concern is that the Democrats/GOPe have a hotline for liberal fanatic/opportunist women who want to file false claims.
It won't matter that the neither the stories or the witnesses are credible at all. The uniparty will be relying on nothing more than the sheer volume of claims in order to introduce doubt in the minds of AL voters.
At this point I think it's important to keep in mind that the reason the uniparty is doing this is not because of Moore's personal ethics, but because of his politics. And they will keep iteratively doing the same thing to anyone who isn't capable of being made to acquiesce to their views.
People of AL need to elect him to send the message that they select their representatives, not sleazy congressmen from other states, and that any Democrat likely has a worst past, and will certainly seek to make sexual harassment a *worse* problem, through sanctuary cities and importation of "refugees".
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 15, 2017 12:12 PM (xN1DB)
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My concern is that the Democrats/GOPe have a hotline for liberal fanatic/opportunist women who want to file false claims.
It won't matter that the neither the stories or the witnesses are credible at all. The uniparty will be relying on nothing more than the sheer volume of claims in order to introduce doubt in the minds of AL voters.
At this point I think it's important to keep in mind that the reason the uniparty is doing this is not because of Moore's personal ethics, but because of his politics. And they will keep iteratively doing the same thing to anyone who isn't capable of being made to acquiesce to their views.
People of AL need to elect him to send the message that they select their representatives, not sleazy congressmen from other states, and that any Democrat likely has a worst past, and will certainly seek to make sexual harassment a *worse* problem, through sanctuary cities and importation of "refugees".
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 15, 2017 12:38 PM (/qEW2)
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As amusing as the song lyrics are, they're kind of way beyond the point. Most of them are about teenagers having/wanting sex with other teenagers which is a normal thing for them to want but often a disastrous thing for them to have. The lyrics that are about adults and teenagers hooking up are creepy af, sorry. We can agree to leave Roy Moore be (because these things are unprovable, and because it's really up to AL voters, etc) without somehow hinting that 14 or 16 and 30 is normal. It's not.
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at November 15, 2017 12:38 PM (SKaHS)
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>>>"When you have mall workers come forward stating they were warned about
Moore harassing young girls, it adds to the credibility."
Everything about the mall is hearsay and bullshit.
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.Yep 100% third and fourth hand hearsay. Now if they had a mall manager from that time period who would come out on record saying he had warned mall workers about Moore's alleged behavior, that would be credible evidence that Moore liked to date younger girls. Mind you, there is nothing illegal about that, but at least it would be one piece of credible evidence the voters could use to make their vote.
Moore harassing young girls, it adds to the credibility."
Everything about the mall is hearsay and bullshit.
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.Yep 100% third and fourth hand hearsay. Now if they had a mall manager from that time period who would come out on record saying he had warned mall workers about Moore's alleged behavior, that would be credible evidence that Moore liked to date younger girls. Mind you, there is nothing illegal about that, but at least it would be one piece of credible evidence the voters could use to make their vote.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 15, 2017 12:38 PM (+Dllb)
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326 294; as would most normal girls. caligirl, i think roy traveled on a different plain. i used to see those dudes all the time. pathetic. they kept doing it until they hit the lottery. still happens.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at November 15, 2017 12:35 PM (KP5rU)
I wanted to date the hottest guy at school, not some old dude.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at November 15, 2017 12:35 PM (KP5rU)
I wanted to date the hottest guy at school, not some old dude.
Posted by: CaliGirl at November 15, 2017 12:38 PM (Ri/rl)
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Originally I called the song "Christine 13", but I decided it was too skeevy. So I made her 16.
Waaayy better.
Waaayy better.
Posted by: Gene Simmons at November 15, 2017 12:38 PM (sGSvK)
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I think Trump should get everyone on board with
something like a write in "Jeff Sessions" campaign and then have the
Governor appoint someone not named Luther Strange.
A couple rallies and maybe push the election date off (I believe
they can extend it) so they can educate everyone with direct mail, etc
Moore won't quit unless Trump inserts himself, and even then he
probably will then be fighting Trump with his candidacy if they do a
write in.
So then you'll have Moore saying he wants to drain the swamp of Trump, etc
Posted by: Maritime at November 15, 2017 12:37 PM (lKmt3)
I think Trump should stay the hell out of it... especially since they tried the same tactics with him.
something like a write in "Jeff Sessions" campaign and then have the
Governor appoint someone not named Luther Strange.
A couple rallies and maybe push the election date off (I believe
they can extend it) so they can educate everyone with direct mail, etc
Moore won't quit unless Trump inserts himself, and even then he
probably will then be fighting Trump with his candidacy if they do a
write in.
So then you'll have Moore saying he wants to drain the swamp of Trump, etc
Posted by: Maritime at November 15, 2017 12:37 PM (lKmt3)
I think Trump should stay the hell out of it... especially since they tried the same tactics with him.
Posted by: redbanzai at November 15, 2017 12:39 PM (9nCnN)
Posted by: Anachronda at November 15, 2017 12:39 PM (v3pYe)
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He didn't do it, but he couldn't wait to get on record as denouncing Moore once the hit-piece came out.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette
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I would agree with you on that.
McConells couldn't wait to light the match, his behavior was disgusting.
Still, I can't say its worth Moore losing to spite him over this and possibly scuttle judicial nominations.
As Ace said yesterday, we could easily have a situation where Moore loses and then someone like Murkowski becomes a Democrat and then all judicial nominations come to a screeching halt.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette
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I would agree with you on that.
McConells couldn't wait to light the match, his behavior was disgusting.
Still, I can't say its worth Moore losing to spite him over this and possibly scuttle judicial nominations.
As Ace said yesterday, we could easily have a situation where Moore loses and then someone like Murkowski becomes a Democrat and then all judicial nominations come to a screeching halt.
Posted by: Maritime at November 15, 2017 12:40 PM (lKmt3)
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The "parking lot assault" lady didn't mention power locks, to be fair. And yes, when you are being manhandled and grabbed by the neck and fighting a guy off, it does add a layer of difficulty to escape to have a guy reach over and lock the door. You can't just reach backward with your hand to pop the door open. You have to find the lock, pull the lock, then find the handle, and open the handle.
That detail is no story-killer.
It's possible that Roy Moore was both a former (and who knows, possibly present) creeper AND that is a cynically timed political hit. That's actually where I am on the story.
I don't like him, so I'm biased that way; but I think its a mistake to completely discount the local "truth" that old Roy liked to creep on high school girls back in the day. *Locals *express frustration that the women who were approached by WaPo are greeted with such skepticism because they all heard the stories too and don't think the women are outliers, let alone liars.
I was not very suspicious, Allred's weasel mug notwithstanding, of the fifth woman's recount of an offered ride home, and a surprise pawing. I find such a story believable because I lived in that time and had to escape that situation myself. And I definitely believe the shame and self-reproach part, because I felt that way.
I am bothered by the tacked-on appearance of part the yearbook signature
If the appearance is due to some photographic artifact it seems like that could be cleared up . If he just tacked his name onto some other guy's inscription, that should be explained.
That detail is no story-killer.
It's possible that Roy Moore was both a former (and who knows, possibly present) creeper AND that is a cynically timed political hit. That's actually where I am on the story.
I don't like him, so I'm biased that way; but I think its a mistake to completely discount the local "truth" that old Roy liked to creep on high school girls back in the day. *Locals *express frustration that the women who were approached by WaPo are greeted with such skepticism because they all heard the stories too and don't think the women are outliers, let alone liars.
I was not very suspicious, Allred's weasel mug notwithstanding, of the fifth woman's recount of an offered ride home, and a surprise pawing. I find such a story believable because I lived in that time and had to escape that situation myself. And I definitely believe the shame and self-reproach part, because I felt that way.
I am bothered by the tacked-on appearance of part the yearbook signature
If the appearance is due to some photographic artifact it seems like that could be cleared up . If he just tacked his name onto some other guy's inscription, that should be explained.
Posted by: sarahw at November 15, 2017 12:41 PM (Sp1NT)
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Ignoramus: "Moore won't quit unless Trump asks him nicely.
Best court to judge this is the AL voters"
Yes to the latter. To the former, Moore has already rejected that. Trump endorsed Strange (and probably regretted it). That was a way of "asking" Moore to quit.
Besides that Moore would be signing his own public death warrant by stepping down. I don't think he has committed any offense; he surely doesn't think he's committed offense. The offense is almost all certainly being directed at him, so to surrender would destroy him as a person even if he truly thought such a concession would temper the nation. It most certainly would not. In fact it would empower his very enemies.
Moore cannot quit. And he shouldn't. Let AL voters decide and let them evaluate ALL issues at hand, even the ones regarding his MAGA policy which have apparently vaporized in the national conscience.
Best court to judge this is the AL voters"
Yes to the latter. To the former, Moore has already rejected that. Trump endorsed Strange (and probably regretted it). That was a way of "asking" Moore to quit.
Besides that Moore would be signing his own public death warrant by stepping down. I don't think he has committed any offense; he surely doesn't think he's committed offense. The offense is almost all certainly being directed at him, so to surrender would destroy him as a person even if he truly thought such a concession would temper the nation. It most certainly would not. In fact it would empower his very enemies.
Moore cannot quit. And he shouldn't. Let AL voters decide and let them evaluate ALL issues at hand, even the ones regarding his MAGA policy which have apparently vaporized in the national conscience.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 15, 2017 12:41 PM (H8S+R)
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If you were McConnell, what would you have done differently?
You don't know if Moore is guilty, or if more evidence is being held in reserve. No matter what might be legal in Alabama, you know that in most of the country, a man in his thirties chasing a girl in her teens is considered creepy, at best. You are responsible for both the Republican brand, and the preservation of the very thin majority in the Senate that might be the only thing that keeps Trump from being impeached. You didn't support Moore to begin with, and if you act quickly, you can work to distance the party. If a smoking gun shows up, you know that the narrative heading in to 2018 will be how Republicans are creeps who prey on children.
If the Senate goes, so does everything else. Judicial appointments. Any sort of legislative agenda (even the half-assed version they have now). Possibly even Trump.
There is very little downside in calling for Moore to step down. There is a lot of risk in supporting him. You will be asked to weigh in. What do you do?
You don't know if Moore is guilty, or if more evidence is being held in reserve. No matter what might be legal in Alabama, you know that in most of the country, a man in his thirties chasing a girl in her teens is considered creepy, at best. You are responsible for both the Republican brand, and the preservation of the very thin majority in the Senate that might be the only thing that keeps Trump from being impeached. You didn't support Moore to begin with, and if you act quickly, you can work to distance the party. If a smoking gun shows up, you know that the narrative heading in to 2018 will be how Republicans are creeps who prey on children.
If the Senate goes, so does everything else. Judicial appointments. Any sort of legislative agenda (even the half-assed version they have now). Possibly even Trump.
There is very little downside in calling for Moore to step down. There is a lot of risk in supporting him. You will be asked to weigh in. What do you do?
Posted by: Seldom at November 15, 2017 12:41 PM (IUCk8)
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Young girl, get out of my mind
My love for you is way out of line
Better run, girl
You're much too young, girl
My love for you is way out of line
Better run, girl
You're much too young, girl
Posted by: Gary Puckett at November 15, 2017 12:41 PM (QLvwG)
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Mitch has a big problem if Moore gets elected. Because he over-committed and quickly, on account of personal pique over Strange losing.
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 15, 2017 12:42 PM (cAXIk)
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I think Trump should stay the hell out of it... especially since they tried the same tactics with him.
Posted by: redbanzai
___________
If Moore was accused of saying pussy or pinching a girl's ass 30 years ago, you really think this would even be a blip on the radar?
Just two very different situations
I think Trump should stay the hell out of it... especially since they tried the same tactics with him.
Posted by: redbanzai
___________
If Moore was accused of saying pussy or pinching a girl's ass 30 years ago, you really think this would even be a blip on the radar?
Just two very different situations
Posted by: Maritime at November 15, 2017 12:42 PM (lKmt3)
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Everything about the mall is hearsay and bullshit.
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.Yep 100% third and fourth hand hearsay. Now if they had a mall manager from that time period who would come out on record saying he had warned mall workers about Moore's alleged behavior, that would be credible evidence that Moore liked to date younger girls. Mind you, there is nothing illegal about that, but at least it would be one piece of credible evidence the voters could use to make their vote.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman
How about a ban letter from the mall or a criminal trespass warning from the local pd? You know, hard evidence.
Other than a rent a cop stating,
"dude's a perv.
Why?
"Because he's creepy".
Wow. Hard evidence there.
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.Yep 100% third and fourth hand hearsay. Now if they had a mall manager from that time period who would come out on record saying he had warned mall workers about Moore's alleged behavior, that would be credible evidence that Moore liked to date younger girls. Mind you, there is nothing illegal about that, but at least it would be one piece of credible evidence the voters could use to make their vote.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman
How about a ban letter from the mall or a criminal trespass warning from the local pd? You know, hard evidence.
Other than a rent a cop stating,
"dude's a perv.
Why?
"Because he's creepy".
Wow. Hard evidence there.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 15, 2017 12:43 PM (4Hf9E)
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Long-time commenter "Masturbatin' Pete" has a different take on Roy Moore, and it is one that we should consider. I don't happen to agree completely with him, but it's a well-considered point.
it's everything that's been turning around in our heads
think Polanski
drugged, rape, but Polanski still loved
nothing to see here
It's "normal"
It's what you do in Hollywood
think "Redemption"
How many Dems were given a pass because, ... they can change, redemption
How many felons, and convicted criminals of all sorts get the soft touch, a lesser sentence or sentenced to "therapy"?
hypocrites
I think Moore is guilty too.
it's everything that's been turning around in our heads
think Polanski
drugged, rape, but Polanski still loved
nothing to see here
It's "normal"
It's what you do in Hollywood
think "Redemption"
How many Dems were given a pass because, ... they can change, redemption
How many felons, and convicted criminals of all sorts get the soft touch, a lesser sentence or sentenced to "therapy"?
hypocrites
I think Moore is guilty too.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 15, 2017 12:43 PM (fceHP)
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"the local "truth" that old Roy liked to creep on high school girls back in the day."
OK. Should any Congresscritter accused of sexual harassment within the last couple of years be forced to resign?
OK. Should any Congresscritter accused of sexual harassment within the last couple of years be forced to resign?
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 15, 2017 12:45 PM (cAXIk)
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197 my roy moore theory. i knew guys like roy moore. the women his age were a little more "experienced" than roy. they wouldn't go out with a shy guy, or, much less have a relationship. roy was maybe a late "bloomer," therefore, he struggled with babes his own age. that's why the young ones were impressed with him. naievety. saw them guys my whole life, while i was growing up. not to blame roy, or the women. that's how it works sometimes. maybe he just liked them younger, who knows? lets talk about bitch mcconnels' early life, bet that would be toe curling.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at November 15, 2017 12:10 PM (KP5rU)
I think you have it wrong.
very religious men like Moore would have married under normal circumstances at 21 and would have 5 kids by thirty.
HOWEVER, he spent 10 years in West Point and Nam and someone like him wasn't going to bring home a Yankee or a Vietnames girl. When he returns the women his age that he would be interested in are already married or divorced or widowed. other women who are career oriented or have been around the block would not be appealing and their clocks have been ticking.
HE WANTED A RELIGIOUS VIRGIN.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at November 15, 2017 12:10 PM (KP5rU)
I think you have it wrong.
very religious men like Moore would have married under normal circumstances at 21 and would have 5 kids by thirty.
HOWEVER, he spent 10 years in West Point and Nam and someone like him wasn't going to bring home a Yankee or a Vietnames girl. When he returns the women his age that he would be interested in are already married or divorced or widowed. other women who are career oriented or have been around the block would not be appealing and their clocks have been ticking.
HE WANTED A RELIGIOUS VIRGIN.
Posted by: Avi at November 15, 2017 12:45 PM (V0HI0)
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I think Trump should stay the hell out of it... especially since they tried the same tactics with him.
Posted by: redbanzai
___________
If Moore was accused of saying pussy or pinching a girl's ass 30
years ago, you really think this would even be a blip on the radar?
Just two very different situations
Posted by: Maritime at November 15, 2017 12:42 PM (lKmt3)
I think there is the same level of proof in this situation with Moore as there was with the women who were trotted out to say that Trump touched them inappropriately... which is to say there is no proof at all.
There is no proof Moore did anything inappropriate to anyone and I hope he gets elected and proceeds to make the Senatorial lives of McConnell et al as difficult as he possibly can.
This is an attempt at character assassination and that is all that it is.
Posted by: redbanzai
___________
If Moore was accused of saying pussy or pinching a girl's ass 30
years ago, you really think this would even be a blip on the radar?
Just two very different situations
Posted by: Maritime at November 15, 2017 12:42 PM (lKmt3)
I think there is the same level of proof in this situation with Moore as there was with the women who were trotted out to say that Trump touched them inappropriately... which is to say there is no proof at all.
There is no proof Moore did anything inappropriate to anyone and I hope he gets elected and proceeds to make the Senatorial lives of McConnell et al as difficult as he possibly can.
This is an attempt at character assassination and that is all that it is.
Posted by: redbanzai at November 15, 2017 12:49 PM (9nCnN)
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In this case, I'm going to defer to residents of AL to make the right decision. They have local customs, morals, and whether generations of Southern Dads told their sons, ''Get 'em while they're young boy. Take my word for it.'' -- or some equivalent.
_______________________
I heard similar advice being offered by older generations in my family in rural Virginia in the 1970's. "Find a young bride, before she's had a chance to learn bad habits from some other man."
It was not an uncommon sentiment for men of older generations in the south.
_______________________
I heard similar advice being offered by older generations in my family in rural Virginia in the 1970's. "Find a young bride, before she's had a chance to learn bad habits from some other man."
It was not an uncommon sentiment for men of older generations in the south.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at November 15, 2017 12:50 PM (BXf9o)
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HE WANTED A RELIGIOUS VIRGIN
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Not a great defense for hitting on girls who weren't known to him to be churchgoers. And he was apparently able to find a 24 year old that fit that was virginial enough...
Ugh. "She's a liar, Moore never met her/only taught her the current lyrics to Jesus Loves Me" would be one thing. "You don't understand, he had to date 14-17 year olds, usually those without older brothers because those were the only virgins left in Alabama" is just icky.
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Not a great defense for hitting on girls who weren't known to him to be churchgoers. And he was apparently able to find a 24 year old that fit that was virginial enough...
Ugh. "She's a liar, Moore never met her/only taught her the current lyrics to Jesus Loves Me" would be one thing. "You don't understand, he had to date 14-17 year olds, usually those without older brothers because those were the only virgins left in Alabama" is just icky.
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at November 15, 2017 12:51 PM (SKaHS)
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350: Agreed. People outside of the coasts tend to marry younger (and divorce younger) still today. The "virgin"aspect is why none of these accusers can cry rape. I'm not seeing aby crime
Posted by: CN at November 15, 2017 12:54 PM (5gaNQ)
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Jumping right in without reading a single comment, but - anyone who thinks the "allegations are credible", based on available info (AFAIK, nothing but claims by two unimpressive people), is not to be taken seriously. Or, in the case of McConnell, to be the object of wonder and contempt.
Pete and anyone else who, amazingly, pretends to think the allegations are "credible", needs to explain why, and first of all to answer how such criminal behavior didn't get used in Moore's previous 4 contentious campaigns.
Because, on its face, it is obviously not "credible" that such allegations would only arise now, 40 years later, and not previously. There is no credible (heh) explanation that has been offered for that.
Pete and anyone else who, amazingly, pretends to think the allegations are "credible", needs to explain why, and first of all to answer how such criminal behavior didn't get used in Moore's previous 4 contentious campaigns.
Because, on its face, it is obviously not "credible" that such allegations would only arise now, 40 years later, and not previously. There is no credible (heh) explanation that has been offered for that.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 15, 2017 12:55 PM (QDnY+)
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I think you have it wrong.
very religious men like Moore would have married under normal circumstances at 21 and would have 5 kids by thirty.
HOWEVER, he spent 10 years in West Point and Nam and someone like
him wasn't going to bring home a Yankee or a Vietnames girl. When he
returns the women his age that he would be interested in are already
married or divorced or widowed. other women who are career oriented or
have been around the block would not be appealing and their clocks have
been ticking.
HE WANTED A RELIGIOUS VIRGIN.
Posted by: Avi at November 15, 2017 12:45 PM (V0HI0)
I'm a little harder on Roy Moore's teen creeping reputation, but agree that his service academy/military service probably accounts for him looking askance at women his near-equal in age.
IMO, he felt cheated out of the prime years of the dating/mating game and wanted his shot at the kind of girls he would have chased if he had been home. I think part of the problem was not just seeking "purity" but his own immaturity and sense of sexual inadequacy. I think he wanted girls he missed out on, but also girls could push around,
very religious men like Moore would have married under normal circumstances at 21 and would have 5 kids by thirty.
HOWEVER, he spent 10 years in West Point and Nam and someone like
him wasn't going to bring home a Yankee or a Vietnames girl. When he
returns the women his age that he would be interested in are already
married or divorced or widowed. other women who are career oriented or
have been around the block would not be appealing and their clocks have
been ticking.
HE WANTED A RELIGIOUS VIRGIN.
Posted by: Avi at November 15, 2017 12:45 PM (V0HI0)
I'm a little harder on Roy Moore's teen creeping reputation, but agree that his service academy/military service probably accounts for him looking askance at women his near-equal in age.
IMO, he felt cheated out of the prime years of the dating/mating game and wanted his shot at the kind of girls he would have chased if he had been home. I think part of the problem was not just seeking "purity" but his own immaturity and sense of sexual inadequacy. I think he wanted girls he missed out on, but also girls could push around,
Posted by: sarahw at November 15, 2017 12:56 PM (Sp1NT)
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Not a great defense for hitting on girls who weren't known to him to be churchgoers. And he was apparently able to find a 24 year old that fit that was virginial enough...
Ugh. "She's a liar, Moore never met her/only taught her the current lyrics to Jesus Loves Me" would be one thing. "You don't understand, he had to date 14-17 year olds, usually those without older brothers because those were the only virgins left in Alabama" is just icky.
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at November 15, 2017 12:51 PM (SKaHS)
The ones that state that he just dated went with him with their parents consent. this situation is not atypical in very religious circles.
Ugh. "She's a liar, Moore never met her/only taught her the current lyrics to Jesus Loves Me" would be one thing. "You don't understand, he had to date 14-17 year olds, usually those without older brothers because those were the only virgins left in Alabama" is just icky.
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at November 15, 2017 12:51 PM (SKaHS)
The ones that state that he just dated went with him with their parents consent. this situation is not atypical in very religious circles.
Posted by: Avi at November 15, 2017 12:57 PM (V0HI0)
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356: Disagree. 32 year old women, or 25 for that matter were probably divorced with kids or "experienced" and younger men in 1977 are not younger men of 2017 who expect women to have had half a dozen lovers
Posted by: CN at November 15, 2017 12:59 PM (5gaNQ)
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354 350: Agreed. People outside of the coasts tend to marry younger (and divorce younger) still today. The "virgin"aspect is why none of these accusers can cry rape. I'm not seeing aby crime
Posted by: CN at November 15, 2017 12:54 PM (5gaNQ)
coastal people don't understand religious people.
had he been a Hasidic Jew who went to the Point and Nam would return to Willaimsburg Brooklyn and married not a retread but an 18-21 year old virgin.
Posted by: CN at November 15, 2017 12:54 PM (5gaNQ)
coastal people don't understand religious people.
had he been a Hasidic Jew who went to the Point and Nam would return to Willaimsburg Brooklyn and married not a retread but an 18-21 year old virgin.
Posted by: Avi at November 15, 2017 01:00 PM (V0HI0)
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It's funny, a former neighbor woman across the street was packing up to sell her house when I ran into her. Her husband had suddenly announced that he ''didn't want to be married anymore''. Left fixing up the house for sale all to her to shoulder. (He was media person btw)
We talked a little bit then out of nowhere she asked me how my wife and I managed to stay married... "Did you marry young?" was her question. (We had)
That's an interesting premise or prejudice. Not sure which.
It's funny, a former neighbor woman across the street was packing up to sell her house when I ran into her. Her husband had suddenly announced that he ''didn't want to be married anymore''. Left fixing up the house for sale all to her to shoulder. (He was media person btw)
We talked a little bit then out of nowhere she asked me how my wife and I managed to stay married... "Did you marry young?" was her question. (We had)
That's an interesting premise or prejudice. Not sure which.
Posted by: Ace Tractor Seat Supply at November 15, 2017 01:00 PM (ajiE5)
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I think the mall creepers were never identified as acutually being roy Moore. Just "there were guys"
Posted by: free tibet with purchase of equal or great value tibet at November 15, 2017 01:00 PM (U4PcL)
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359: That group tends to marry young too. Were there Hasids at the Point, they'd have come home and married young girls too.
Posted by: CN at November 15, 2017 01:01 PM (5gaNQ)
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360: If you haven't screwed around for 20 years before marriage, you don't long for the variety of the old days.
Posted by: CN at November 15, 2017 01:03 PM (5gaNQ)
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Seldom, you can't possibly be serious - or, alternatively, you're a Beltway clueless creature.
"Brand". No such thing, apart from policies that get people to the polls, for or against. Or approval of, or disgust with, leadership styles.
More than any other, Senate races are individual. There is rarely any carry-over between distant, and different, states, with diverse political personalities and often very different issues of prominence in those places.
McConnell instantly tossing a GOP candidate over the side was amazingly stupid and risky. The allegations are not credible, obviously, and how did McConnell's staff know the single accuser (at that point) was not going to blow up spectacularly, within 24 hours? Amazingly stupid move by McConnell. Unless he's desperate to prevent a remaking of the GOP - which is, in contrast, a very very credible analysis, given his behavior.
The MS case of a few years back answers all the questions about the ability and intellect of the Beltway GOP, for those seeking a quick summary.
"Brand". No such thing, apart from policies that get people to the polls, for or against. Or approval of, or disgust with, leadership styles.
More than any other, Senate races are individual. There is rarely any carry-over between distant, and different, states, with diverse political personalities and often very different issues of prominence in those places.
McConnell instantly tossing a GOP candidate over the side was amazingly stupid and risky. The allegations are not credible, obviously, and how did McConnell's staff know the single accuser (at that point) was not going to blow up spectacularly, within 24 hours? Amazingly stupid move by McConnell. Unless he's desperate to prevent a remaking of the GOP - which is, in contrast, a very very credible analysis, given his behavior.
The MS case of a few years back answers all the questions about the ability and intellect of the Beltway GOP, for those seeking a quick summary.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 15, 2017 01:03 PM (QDnY+)
365
360
Statistically, marriages involving someone under 20 are more likely to end in divorce. It's great that it works for y'all though
Statistically, marriages involving someone under 20 are more likely to end in divorce. It's great that it works for y'all though
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at November 15, 2017 01:04 PM (SKaHS)
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362 359: That group tends to marry young too. Were there Hasids at the Point, they'd have come home and married young girls too.
Posted by: CN at November 15, 2017 01:01 PM (5gaNQ)
yes.non religious or casually religious people don't understand the very religious. for them, religion is not fluid. if raised a Lutheran its that way or the highway. not one year a Catholic or next year Episcopalian and maybe you and your spouse can compromise on a church.
no for the uber religious you marry someone of the same denomination, even if that means putting off marriage for 10 years while you are away. no war brides.
Posted by: CN at November 15, 2017 01:01 PM (5gaNQ)
yes.non religious or casually religious people don't understand the very religious. for them, religion is not fluid. if raised a Lutheran its that way or the highway. not one year a Catholic or next year Episcopalian and maybe you and your spouse can compromise on a church.
no for the uber religious you marry someone of the same denomination, even if that means putting off marriage for 10 years while you are away. no war brides.
Posted by: Avi at November 15, 2017 01:06 PM (V0HI0)
367
You know we heard....
Posted by: Fusion GPS at November 15, 2017 01:07 PM (ymnmz)
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365 360
Statistically, marriages involving someone under 20 are more likely to end in divorce. It's great that it works for y'all though
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at November 15, 2017 01:04 PM (SKaHS)
For Mormons?
they usually last in the very Orthodox Jewish world.
Statistically, marriages involving someone under 20 are more likely to end in divorce. It's great that it works for y'all though
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at November 15, 2017 01:04 PM (SKaHS)
For Mormons?
they usually last in the very Orthodox Jewish world.
Posted by: Avi at November 15, 2017 01:08 PM (V0HI0)
369
Posted by: CN at November 15, 2017 12:59 PM (5gaNQ)
I think both things were happening at the same time. He certainly rationalized it as a search for a bride. But I think he also couldn't deal with an experienced woman and would have felt cheated by the prospect of limiting himself to virginal "leftover" women who had not yet been married. He could have left the high-school teens alone, though. He wanted all the recreational dating he'd missed out on, for sure.
I think both things were happening at the same time. He certainly rationalized it as a search for a bride. But I think he also couldn't deal with an experienced woman and would have felt cheated by the prospect of limiting himself to virginal "leftover" women who had not yet been married. He could have left the high-school teens alone, though. He wanted all the recreational dating he'd missed out on, for sure.
Posted by: sarahw at November 15, 2017 01:08 PM (Sp1NT)
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Here's the other problem I have:
Guy shows a woman his junk and jacks off in a ficus plant? No problem! He rapes another back in his hotel room? Hey, he went into treatment!
Another one rapes a 14 year old? Why, he's a brilliant director that needs our support!
Politician kissed a 14 year old girl? I never! He should be run out of office and never allowed to work again!
Guy shows a woman his junk and jacks off in a ficus plant? No problem! He rapes another back in his hotel room? Hey, he went into treatment!
Another one rapes a 14 year old? Why, he's a brilliant director that needs our support!
Politician kissed a 14 year old girl? I never! He should be run out of office and never allowed to work again!
Posted by: notsothoreau at November 15, 2017 01:10 PM (JKNZq)
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Statistically, marriages involving someone under 20 are more likely to end in divorce. It's great that it works for y'all though
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at November 15, 2017 01:04 PM (SKaHS)
We were both early 20's and both pretty successful at that point. There actually was a time in America when that could happen.
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at November 15, 2017 01:04 PM (SKaHS)
We were both early 20's and both pretty successful at that point. There actually was a time in America when that could happen.
Posted by: Ace Tractor Seat Supply at November 15, 2017 01:10 PM (ajiE5)
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Married at a young age? I got married at 19. We were married for 37 years (until my husband died.) You can make of that what you will.
Posted by: notsothoreau at November 15, 2017 01:11 PM (JKNZq)
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369: Religious men don't want "experienced" women. Not that he "couldn't deal with it" and I see no evidence he wanted recreational sex and dating, if he did experienced women were there for the fun and games.
Posted by: CN at November 15, 2017 01:12 PM (5gaNQ)
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in 1977, "experienced" women were "loose".
Posted by: CN at November 15, 2017 01:13 PM (5gaNQ)
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The inability of people, apparently including Pete, to distinguish between an uncorroborated allegation of a crime by one woman, from claims that Moore had above-board legal interaction with two other women, is pretty telling. Not a lawyer I'd want handling my business, sorry.
And he's not the only one. Pretty amazing.
Imaginary headline: "Two Women Claim Moore Dated Them"
Wow, now THERE's a candidate-killing headline.
Oh, that's right, it's a nothing-burger. Apart from that large critical cohort of voters in other states who decide whether to vote for Bernie Sanders' insane agenda vs. policies they've voted for in several cycles based on whether some guy in AL dated legal teenagers back in the 70s. You know, the "brand".
And he's not the only one. Pretty amazing.
Imaginary headline: "Two Women Claim Moore Dated Them"
Wow, now THERE's a candidate-killing headline.
Oh, that's right, it's a nothing-burger. Apart from that large critical cohort of voters in other states who decide whether to vote for Bernie Sanders' insane agenda vs. policies they've voted for in several cycles based on whether some guy in AL dated legal teenagers back in the 70s. You know, the "brand".
Posted by: rhomboid at November 15, 2017 01:14 PM (QDnY+)
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373 369: Religious men don't want "experienced" women. Not that he "couldn't deal with it" and I see no evidence he wanted recreational sex and dating, if he did experienced women were there for the fun and games.
Posted by: CN at November 15, 2017 01:12 PM (5gaNQ)
plus religious men want large families and an "experienced" woman's clock would've been ticking for a while.
Posted by: CN at November 15, 2017 01:12 PM (5gaNQ)
plus religious men want large families and an "experienced" woman's clock would've been ticking for a while.
Posted by: Avi at November 15, 2017 01:15 PM (V0HI0)
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We were both early 20's and both pretty successful at that point. There actually was a time in America when that could happen.
Posted by: Ace Tractor Seat Supply at November 15, 2017 01:10 PM (ajiE5)
I think it is a function of the moral values of the couple, that primarily determines whether the marriage succeeds or not.
Posted by: Ace Tractor Seat Supply at November 15, 2017 01:10 PM (ajiE5)
I think it is a function of the moral values of the couple, that primarily determines whether the marriage succeeds or not.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at November 15, 2017 01:15 PM (8iiMU)
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in 1977, "experienced" women were "loose".
Posted by: CN at November 15, 2017 01:13 PM (5gaNQ)
That's the thing, and why the voters of Alabama should get their say. Anyone who lived through that period can look at what has been presented it and filter it through their own experience of that period.
Did I know a 14 year old girl (from 'jersey) (I was 15) that wanted to have sex with me? Yes.
Did I run away? Yes. Slowly, but still got out of there. I was not that eager to grow up that fast.
Posted by: CN at November 15, 2017 01:13 PM (5gaNQ)
That's the thing, and why the voters of Alabama should get their say. Anyone who lived through that period can look at what has been presented it and filter it through their own experience of that period.
Did I know a 14 year old girl (from 'jersey) (I was 15) that wanted to have sex with me? Yes.
Did I run away? Yes. Slowly, but still got out of there. I was not that eager to grow up that fast.
Posted by: Ace Tractor Seat Supply at November 15, 2017 01:19 PM (ajiE5)
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Nood, btw.
Posted by: Ace Tractor Seat Supply at November 15, 2017 01:26 PM (ajiE5)
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378: And it's not about growing up. It was a double standard, sure, but it was what it was. Men wanted to screw around with the loose girls, but not marry them. They weren't intimidated by "floozies" and "Loose cabooses", they just didn't want to marry them and bring them home to the parents.
Posted by: CN at November 15, 2017 01:37 PM (5gaNQ)
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When asked if he dated teens at that time, he responded that he did not generally do so, which sounds like an indirect concession that he did so on at least one or more occasions
Apparently HIS WIFE WAS 18 or 19 when he married her...
So, how was he supposed to fucking answer that question?
Posted by: GMan (My kingdom for 10 feet of rope and some torches) at November 15, 2017 11:52 AM (sxq57)
Lemme see... Hetero man like girls at the peak of beauty and fertility, dates them, finds one he loves and marries her.
We'll have none of that! Away with him!
Apparently HIS WIFE WAS 18 or 19 when he married her...
So, how was he supposed to fucking answer that question?
Posted by: GMan (My kingdom for 10 feet of rope and some torches) at November 15, 2017 11:52 AM (sxq57)
Lemme see... Hetero man like girls at the peak of beauty and fertility, dates them, finds one he loves and marries her.
We'll have none of that! Away with him!
Posted by: OneEyedJack at November 15, 2017 01:40 PM (z79tQ)
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380 : CN at November 15, 2017 01:37 PM (5gaNQ)
He didn't restrict his trawling to older chicks he wouldn't marry. He sought out little girls 'cause he missed out, and it's what he wanted. Part of that is wanting to dominate and have control, and most of all exploit inexeperience, which a woman more his equal - even just a few years older would not allow.
He didn't restrict his trawling to older chicks he wouldn't marry. He sought out little girls 'cause he missed out, and it's what he wanted. Part of that is wanting to dominate and have control, and most of all exploit inexeperience, which a woman more his equal - even just a few years older would not allow.
Posted by: sarahw at November 15, 2017 01:41 PM (Sp1NT)
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His wife was 24 when he married her. 15 years or so his junior, but a real adult.
Posted by: sarahw at November 15, 2017 01:42 PM (Sp1NT)
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I think Pete's #20 and 21 tweets are the important ones.
Posted by: TB at November 15, 2017 01:42 PM (wNx6K)
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Posted by: Avi at November 15, 2017 01:15 PM (V0HI0)
Evidence of recreation - not settling on one girl in a courtly way, but trawling in places like high schools and malls - getting snippy with young things that wouldn't flirt, the predatory nature of it. The reports of him, pre-marriage, groping, stripping, and forcing and sneak-attacking. He was looking for repeated adventures with a wide variety of young, young girls. He could easily have had a sedate career properly courting 18 and olders if religion were all there was to it.
He wanted youth for a variety of reasons and I'm sure he had his rationalizations. But the real problem is he couldn't cope with an equal or near equal. He felt inadequate. Nothing else explains locking a pretty redhead in your car. That' isn't wooing.
Evidence of recreation - not settling on one girl in a courtly way, but trawling in places like high schools and malls - getting snippy with young things that wouldn't flirt, the predatory nature of it. The reports of him, pre-marriage, groping, stripping, and forcing and sneak-attacking. He was looking for repeated adventures with a wide variety of young, young girls. He could easily have had a sedate career properly courting 18 and olders if religion were all there was to it.
He wanted youth for a variety of reasons and I'm sure he had his rationalizations. But the real problem is he couldn't cope with an equal or near equal. He felt inadequate. Nothing else explains locking a pretty redhead in your car. That' isn't wooing.
Posted by: sarahw at November 15, 2017 01:47 PM (Sp1NT)
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Isn't ipse dixit what got Bill in trouble? Or was that oopsie digit?
And Twitter won't let me view the tweets. So I can only see the one embedded here.
And Twitter won't let me view the tweets. So I can only see the one embedded here.
Posted by: GWB at November 15, 2017 02:14 PM (bPZSS)
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cbd
Posted by: flea circus at November 15, 2017 02:16 PM (xlESs)
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I don't drop into the comments here too often because they have a definite 1997 Geocities feel, but... thanks to everyone for their contributions. I might address a few of them on Twitter.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 15, 2017 02:24 PM (xN1DB)
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I'll also reiterate what I said above: I wrote all of this almost a week ago, November 9, when the only accusations were the four teens, at least three of whom would have been legal. The mall accusations hadn't emerged. The yearbook accusations hadn't emerged.
Has my opinion changed at all? Not yet. The ink color, handwriting, and hearsay problems with the yearbook/mall allegations put them in the "not sure yet" category.
So when (if, really) you read my little essay, keep in mind that there's no opinion in there about the most recent information. Don't interpret it to mean that I believe the yearbook/mall stuff.
Has my opinion changed at all? Not yet. The ink color, handwriting, and hearsay problems with the yearbook/mall allegations put them in the "not sure yet" category.
So when (if, really) you read my little essay, keep in mind that there's no opinion in there about the most recent information. Don't interpret it to mean that I believe the yearbook/mall stuff.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 15, 2017 02:40 PM (xN1DB)
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Evidence of recreation - not settling on one
girl in a courtly way, but trawling in places like high schools and
malls - getting snippy with young things that wouldn't flirt, the
predatory nature of it. The reports of him, pre-marriage, groping,
stripping, and forcing and sneak-attacking. He was looking for repeated
adventures with a wide variety of young, young girls. He could easily
have had a sedate career properly courting 18 and olders if religion
were all there was to it.
He wanted youth for a variety of
reasons and I'm sure he had his rationalizations. But the real problem
is he couldn't cope with an equal or near equal. He felt inadequate.
Nothing else explains locking a pretty redhead in your car. That' isn't
wooing.
Posted by: sarahw at November 15, 2017 01:47 PM (Sp1NT)
And what is the PROOF of that?
Evidence of recreation - not settling on one
girl in a courtly way, but trawling in places like high schools and
malls - getting snippy with young things that wouldn't flirt, the
predatory nature of it. The reports of him, pre-marriage, groping,
stripping, and forcing and sneak-attacking. He was looking for repeated
adventures with a wide variety of young, young girls. He could easily
have had a sedate career properly courting 18 and olders if religion
were all there was to it.
He wanted youth for a variety of
reasons and I'm sure he had his rationalizations. But the real problem
is he couldn't cope with an equal or near equal. He felt inadequate.
Nothing else explains locking a pretty redhead in your car. That' isn't
wooing.
Posted by: sarahw at November 15, 2017 01:47 PM (Sp1NT)
And what is the PROOF of that?
Posted by: redbanzai at November 15, 2017 02:51 PM (9nCnN)
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Pete's POV is negative against Moore from the start. That's not his call to make. There's either enough evidence to convict him or there isn't.
I'm sick and tired of this ignoring the rule of law shit. Do we have a fucking court system to handle these things or don't we?!
I'm sick and tired of this ignoring the rule of law shit. Do we have a fucking court system to handle these things or don't we?!
Posted by: Matt_SE at November 15, 2017 08:48 PM (CTWGT)
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