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Did the Cooked-Up Steele Dossier Trigger the Entire Russia Probe?

Here's another question that needs answering: Did James Clapper leak word of the Comey briefing about the dossier to CNN? And did he advise Comey to give that briefing so that he could leak the news of the briefing to CNN, and thus manufacture newsworthiness of a dossier that the media wasn't able to verify and publish about?

The FBI opened a counterintelligence investigation into the Trump-Russia affair shortly after receiving the first installment of an anti-Trump dossier from a former British spy working for the Hillary Clinton campaign. What congressional investigators want to know is whether that was a coincidence or not.

The first report in the dossier compiled by former MI6 agent Christopher Steele was dated June 20, 2016.


Steele told the left-leaning publication Mother Jones that he took the first part of his dossier to the FBI "near the start of July."

James Comey, when he was FBI director, told members of the House Intelligence Committee the Trump-Russia investigation began "in late July."

So the timeline is: The first dossier report was June 20, Steele approached the FBI near the start of July, and the FBI began its investigation in late July.

Steele's first dossier installment, the June 20 document, cited a "senior Russian Foreign Ministry figure" and a "former top level Russian intelligence officer still active inside the Kremlin." It reported that "Russian authorities had been cultivating and supporting US Republican presidential candidate, Donald TRUMP for at least 5 years" and that "the TRUMP operation was both supported and directed by Russian President Vladimir PUTIN." Also citing a "senior Russian financial official" and a "close associate of TRUMP who had organized and managed his recent trips to Moscow," the dossier said Russians had been feeding Trump "valuable intelligence" on Clinton "for several years." The report also said "TRUMP's (perverted) conduct in Moscow included hiring the presidential suite of the Ritz Carlton hotel, where he knew President and Mrs. OBAMA (whom he hated) had stayed on one of their official trips to Russia, and defiling the bed where they had slept by employing a number of prostitutes to perform a 'golden showers' (urination) show in front of him." The action was all captured by hidden cameras, the dossier said.

The FBI was very interested in Steele's report, according to Mother Jones' David Corn, who was personally briefed by Steele...

Also see Kim Strassel on this point. She also disproves the media/Hillary Clinton narrative (so hard to tell them apart) that the Steele dossier wasn't a media/political hit operation because the dossier didn't come out until after the election.

Well, they certainly tried. Steele briefed David Corn personally, and Hillary pushed the idea of Russian "collusion" before the November 8th vote.


The dossier amounts to one of the dirtiest tricks in U.S. political history. It was perpetrated by Team Clinton and yielded a vast payoff for Hillary’s campaign.

The Democratic National Committee and the Clinton campaign hired the opposition-research firm Fusion GPS in April 2016 to dig up dirt on Donald Trump. Fusion in turn hired former U.K. spook Christopher Steele to assemble the (now largely discredited) dossier. That full dossier of allegations wasn't made public until after the election, in January 2017. And the media and Democrats continue to peddle the line that it played no role during the election itself....

This is utterly untrue. In British court documents Mr. Steele has acknowledged he briefed U.S. reporters about the dossier in September 2016. Those briefed included journalists from the New York Times , the Washington Post, Yahoo News and others. Mr. Steele, by his own admission (in an interview with Mother Jones), also gave his dossier in July 2016 to the FBI.

Among the dossier’s contents were allegations that in early July 2016 Carter Page, sometimes described as a foreign-policy adviser to Candidate Trump, held a "secret" meeting with two high-ranking Russians connected to President Vladimir Putin. It even claimed these Russians offered to give Mr. Page a 19% share in Russia’s state oil company in return for a future President Trump lifting U.S. sanctions. This dossier allegation is ludicrous on its face. Mr. Page was at most a minor figure in the campaign and has testified under oath that he never met the two men in question or had such a conversation.

Yet the press ran with it [pre-election].

The Clinton campaign jumped all over it, spinning its own oppo research as a government investigation into Mr. Trump...

The Isikoff piece publicly launched the Trump-Russia collusion narrative--only 1˝ months from the election-and the whole dossier operation counts as one of the greatest political stitch-ups of all time. Most campaigns content themselves with planting oppo research with media sources. The Clinton campaign commissioned a foreign ex-spy to gin up rumors, which made it to U.S. intelligence agencies, and then got reporters to cite it as government-sourced. Mrs. Clinton now dismisses the dossier as routine oppo research, ignoring that her operation specifically engineered the contents to be referred to throughout the campaign as "intelligence" or a "government investigation."

And of course that last part may be true -- the Steele document may have in fact been used as a pretext by Comey to begin an investigation.

Oddly, the FBI refuses to tell the public the truth on this point. They just refuse to answer. Like law enforcement agencies accountable to the public are supposed to refuse.

Posted by: Ace at 04:52 PM




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1 Am first, am I.

Posted by: Prrofessor chaos or gumdrop gorilla at November 13, 2017 04:51 PM (D3Jo9)

2 It is an honor and responsibility.

I shall summon the lovely, frisky corgis.

Posted by: Prrofessor chaos or gumdrop gorilla at November 13, 2017 04:52 PM (D3Jo9)

3 Some day off ace

Posted by: thathalfrican - The calm before the storm at November 13, 2017 04:53 PM (d75Wq)

4 Law enforcement? Accountable to the public?

Heh. Ha ha ha!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

*wipes tears*

Whew, that's a good one!

Posted by: Insomniac at November 13, 2017 04:53 PM (NWiLs)

5 Yes.

Next Question?

Posted by: Publius Redux at November 13, 2017 04:54 PM (Fb9aZ)

6 ooh, content!!

if only Sessions would work like this during his naptimes.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at November 13, 2017 04:55 PM (5s7Dx)

7 This in conjunction with the Moore travesty really makes for a depressing day.

Posted by: IC at November 13, 2017 04:55 PM (a0IVu)

8 It's amazing. Each layer of sleaze and corruption that gets peeled back reveals yet another and another, each more sordid and foul than the last.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 13, 2017 04:55 PM (NWiLs)

9 FusionGPS, James Comey, and quite a few other bad actors need to get the Cartman type alien anal probe. Without the lube.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 13, 2017 04:55 PM (wdl1A)

10 Hannity seems to think that the dossier triggered the FISA warrants.

Which were.. illegal.

But not a problem, since laws only apply to Republicans.

Posted by: shibumi at November 13, 2017 04:56 PM (aT+Bx)

11 Rat bastards, every one of them. James Comey is a man of honor and integrity!

Yeah right.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at November 13, 2017 04:56 PM (ul9CR)

12 There really need to be some executions over this business.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 13, 2017 04:57 PM (bsBH4)

13 "Well, they certainly tried. Steele briefed David Corn personally, and Hillary pushed the idea of Russian "collusion" before the November 8th vote."


One of the few silver linings of the Roy Moore situation over the past few days is that David Corn has to STFU about it.

Posted by: Benji Carver at November 13, 2017 04:57 PM (OD2ni)

14 I wonder if I am getting a flu. I feel achy and woozy.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at November 13, 2017 04:57 PM (5s7Dx)

15 Oddly, the FBI refuses to tell the public the truth on this point. They just refuse to answer. Like law enforcement agencies accountable to the public are supposed to refuse.


I want to know what grounds the FBI has to refuse to answer questions to Congress, the entity which has oversight of the FBI.

This is on Trump for not saying point blank any question the House oversight committee asks of the FBI will be answered in full about *any* investigation. Any person who refuses is fired on the spot.

I want confirmation that what we all suspect is true, namely, that the dossier is what was used to get the FISA warrant.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 13, 2017 04:57 PM (dEQP3)

16 This in conjunction with the Moore travesty really makes for a depressing day.
Posted by: IC at November 13, 2017 04:55 PM (a0IVu)

they are all depressing -get used to it
Sigh

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2017 04:58 PM (5y11N)

17 Way to take the day off, ya goofball!

Posted by: Peaches at November 13, 2017 04:58 PM (14URa)

18 14 I wonder if I am getting a flu. I feel achy and woozy.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at November 13, 2017 04:57 PM (5s7Dx)

Uh oh. There's definitely been something going around all over the place. I've had a bunch of relatives get sick lately and I'm a touch under the weather myself.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 13, 2017 04:58 PM (NWiLs)

19 Russian collusion is always descending on Trump but landing on the Clintons.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Light Up Your Life! Drama Queen Accessories 30% off at the Outrage Outlet! at November 13, 2017 04:58 PM (hLRSq)

20 "9 FusionGPS, James Comey, and quite a few other bad actors need to get the Cartman type alien anal probe. Without the lube.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR)"


Is it me or do James Clapper and The Rick Wilson look like long lost twins? Both are assholes.

Posted by: Benji Carver at November 13, 2017 04:58 PM (OD2ni)

21 Well yeah,every day is depressing when you are depressed.

Posted by: steevy at November 13, 2017 04:58 PM (LiyEm)

22 huh, YouTube documentary about Istanbul kitty cats.

I guess in Cat, the name for Byzantium is "meow".

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at November 13, 2017 04:59 PM (5s7Dx)

23 Russian Probes Teddy Bear.

Pics at 11

Posted by: Cicero Boom chicka boom Kaboom! Kid, at November 13, 2017 04:59 PM (EK6pT)

24 If you're working on your shelving today, Ace, I would recommend you tie some bells to your shirt hem so people can hear if you're still moving.
A rope around your leg so they can pull you out from under the rubble would also be wise.

Posted by: Northernlurker, the lurkingest lurker of the north. Still proudly lurking. at November 13, 2017 05:00 PM (nBr1j)

25 I keep hoping that the adults will be in charge again, but after reading about all these chuckleheads, I doubt any adults are likely to get involved with any of these circuses again.

They all need to be put in time out.

Posted by: tcn in AK at November 13, 2017 05:00 PM (7UW64)

26 Pikes.
Gibbets.
Impalements.
The rack.
The wheel.
The pear of anguish.
The Judas cradle.
The iron maiden.

It's time to get medieval on their corrupt, treasonous asses.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 13, 2017 05:00 PM (NWiLs)

27 hey ! Bearprober! stop what you are doing and put your hands where I can see them

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at November 13, 2017 05:00 PM (5s7Dx)

28 I love how they capitalize TRUMP,makes it so authoritative when making pee part accusations...

Posted by: steevy at November 13, 2017 05:00 PM (LiyEm)

29 Hillary's people were pushing the Russia narrative shortly after the RNC, IIRC. They were tweeting about Manafort's Russia ties, which we now know they knew of because of his bsiness with Russia/Podesta/Clinton/Uranium One. Really, the balls on these people laying that groundwork given these connections!

Posted by: Lizy at November 13, 2017 05:02 PM (W+vEI)

30 Re-post, try and brighten the day

http://www.ufunk.net/photos/comedy-wildlife-2017-finalists/

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 13, 2017 05:02 PM (wdl1A)

31 Ten bucks says Steele is into golden showers.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 13, 2017 05:02 PM (NWiLs)

32
Comey, Clapper and Mueller All Plead the Fifth at Senate Hearing

Posted by: Future Headline at November 13, 2017 05:02 PM (/zwDg)

33 28 I love how they capitalize TRUMP,makes it so authoritative when making pee part accusations...

Posted by: steevy at November 13, 2017 05:00 PM (LiyEm)


And still, nobody has explained why President Trump would need to pay anyone to do whatever he would like. Seems to me, all that power could summon up just about anything at all without dropping a single dime on it, at all, at all.

Posted by: tcn in AK at November 13, 2017 05:02 PM (7UW64)

34 Precisely why I will question any verdict on the Vegas shooting. Still pretty silent on that.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The calm before the storm at November 13, 2017 05:03 PM (d75Wq)

35 They peed on my rug, man!

Posted by: The Dude at November 13, 2017 05:03 PM (NWiLs)

36 David Corn. I like him best on TV with Lawrence O'Dognuts or Transgender Fonzie.

Posted by: wth at November 13, 2017 05:03 PM (HgMAr)

37 For the love of god, yes, the fake dossier was used to kickstart the Russia probe.

Posted by: Kreplach at November 13, 2017 05:03 PM (71/k8)

38 OK, I'm throwin' this out there, tell me if I'm going too far.

The Deep State is the one manipulating Congress. They blackmail the GOPe and just nudge the Dems. That way the funds keep flowing, the power keeps growing, and the oversight remains a joke.

A real Congress of, by, and for the People is its worst nightmare.

Tell me where I'm wrong, folks.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at November 13, 2017 05:05 PM (AM1GF)

39 Most campaigns content themselves with planting oppo research with media sources. The Clinton campaign commissioned a foreign ex-spy to gin up rumors, which made it to U.S. intelligence agencies, and then got reporters to cite it as government-sourced. Mrs. Clinton now dismisses the dossier as routine oppo research, ignoring that her operation specifically engineered the contents to be referred to throughout the campaign as "intelligence" or a "government investigation."

"Fucksakes."
- Australian proverb

Posted by: hogmartin at November 13, 2017 05:05 PM (y87Qq)

40 Juan's still alive?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2017 05:05 PM (5y11N)

41 Not the hill for conservatives to die on, fellas.

Posted by: Troll at November 13, 2017 05:06 PM (n1QPh)

42 I need a day off!

Wouldn't all this be best presented on a huge white board using every colour of marker -- circles, squares, solid and dashed lines -- all that?! Maybe PowerPoint... I can't keep up!

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at November 13, 2017 05:06 PM (e9G8E)

43 Empress would this pass muster you think if Congress passed this law and the President signed it?

"Any person in the employment of the Federal government who refuses to testify before Congress will be summarily fired with loss of all pensions and other perks."

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 13, 2017 05:07 PM (wdl1A)

44 What congressional investigators want to know is whether that was a coincidence or not.

This is a joke, right?

Posted by: Country Boy - 2017 GNAMM and CenTexMoMee survivor at November 13, 2017 05:07 PM (ViYyo)

45 I am so sick of govt agencies refusing to turn over docs or information when requested by this Administration... isn't the FBI now headed by Trump's guy? What the fuck????

And don't even start with that clown at the IRS!! What the fuck is he still doing there??

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at November 13, 2017 05:07 PM (br2jI)

46 And don't even start with that clown at the IRS!! What the fuck is he still doing there??
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at November 13, 2017 05:07 PM (br2jI)

Laughing at us

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2017 05:09 PM (5y11N)

47 Steele briefed David Corn personally



And I am sure Cornhole went all in on it.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 13, 2017 05:09 PM (ujg0T)

48 45 I am so sick of govt agencies refusing to turn over docs or information when requested by this Administration.

Dittoes.

I'm also sick to death of states deciding to make their own agreements with foreign governments on issues like climate change in defiance of the federal government.

How the hell is that not treason?

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at November 13, 2017 05:10 PM (ul9CR)

49 http://www.ufunk.net/photos/comedy-wildlife-2017-finalists/


Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 13, 2017 05:02 PM (wdl1A)
Priceless!!! Thank you so much, gonna spam that all around. :-)

Posted by: Peaches at November 13, 2017 05:10 PM (14URa)

50
If only there was a DOJ head that campaigned for Trump that could release what the FBI knows.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 13, 2017 05:11 PM (r+sAi)

51 >>>The Deep State is the one manipulating Congress. They blackmail the GOPe and just nudge the Dems.

Just out of curiosity, who actually is the Deep State?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Nostrildamus (No Smoothies) at November 13, 2017 05:11 PM (C38UF)

52 "And don't even start with that clown at the IRS!! What the fuck is he still doing there??
Posted by: SSBN 656"


Koskinen is out finally. Friday was his last day I believe.

Posted by: Benji Carver at November 13, 2017 05:11 PM (OD2ni)

53 44 What congressional investigators want to know is whether that was a coincidence or not.

This is a joke, right?
Posted by: Country Boy - 2017 GNAMM and CenTexMoMee survivor at November 13, 2017 05:07 PM (ViYyo)

To even entertain that notion is crazy, pants-wetting, hysterical, conspiracy theory nonsense. Grow up and go bowling.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 13, 2017 05:12 PM (NWiLs)

54 My brother was in town this weekend and mentioned the Bias training class he had to go to. It was taught my a transgender...who is now a man, but was a woman. He told me both names...which I forgot immediately.

Then he started to talk about it all, and I short circuited the discussion by telling him I had a new pet called "Transgender Dragon". That really threw him. He didn't know what to do with that. Which was what I hoped would happen.

Politics and government and all this other stuff is not in his wheelhouse and I sure as hell don't want to take time discussing it when he visits. But it was funny to me that TD popped up in my head as the way to change the convo. But nothing else was working. That did. Makes me chuckle.

Posted by: Professor chaos or gumdrop gorilla at November 13, 2017 05:12 PM (D3Jo9)

55 Russians have been grooming Trump for five years? That right there is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. The Russians thought the Apprentice reality star had a shot at being President six years ago? That is who they chose to groom?

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 13, 2017 05:13 PM (Z4z/q)

56 Did someone mention smoothies?

Posted by: Winona Ryder at November 13, 2017 05:13 PM (n1QPh)

57 Will this material be on the test? Because to be perfectly honest with you all, I stopped trying to follow this mess some time ago.

Posted by: Weasel at November 13, 2017 05:13 PM (Sfs6o)

58 I starting to worry that Ace named his shelves Brad.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at November 13, 2017 05:13 PM (I/iGu)

59 Oh, this wasn't the Open thread. Sorry! I forgot. Ever since the time change I have been quite the fog brained grump. And, well, I miss my brother.

Posted by: Professor chaos or gumdrop gorilla at November 13, 2017 05:13 PM (D3Jo9)

60 This latest Roy Moore accuser says that the sexual assault happened on the day Moore signed her yearbook. The Moore yearbook signature is dated 12/22/1977 (or at least that's what it looks like in the photo).

The accuser says she and her family did not report the sexual assault -- for 40 years -- because Moore was too powerful in their town, and they were afraid.

But Moore's bio says he graduated law school in 1977, and that he worked in the D.A.'s office as a prosecutor from 1977 - 1982.

In December of 1977, when the accuser says Moore attacked her, Moore would have just been a few months out of law school, and a brand new hire in the D.A.'s office.

So just how "powerful" could Moore have been?

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at November 13, 2017 05:14 PM (BXf9o)

61 >>>Did someone mention smoothies?

:::checks to make sure that was not Bannon:::

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Nostrildamus (No Smoothies) at November 13, 2017 05:14 PM (C38UF)

62 >>>Just out of curiosity, who actually is the Deep State?


The Deep State is composed of The Rothchilds, the Ford Foundation, Skull and Bones, and the Bilderbergs, with a big dollop of Creme de Soros' Spincter lathered on top....

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at November 13, 2017 05:14 PM (br2jI)

63 Will this material be on the test? Because to be perfectly honest with you all, I stopped trying to follow this mess some time ago.
Posted by: Weasel at November 13, 2017 05:13 PM (Sfs6o)


That's good to hear. Thought I was the only one.

Posted by: Professor chaos or gumdrop gorilla at November 13, 2017 05:15 PM (D3Jo9)

64
Will this material be on the test? Because to be perfectly honest with
you all, I stopped trying to follow this mess some time ago.
---

It might be, but the default answer is always: yes, Democrats did highly illegal things and should be in jail, but they did it for all the right reasons so they will not be prosecuted. Evah.


Posted by: shibumi at November 13, 2017 05:15 PM (aT+Bx)

65 >>I short circuited the discussion by telling him I had a new pet called
"Transgender Dragon". That really threw him. He didn't know what to do
with that. Which was what I hoped would happen.



Heh. You're referring to the transgender transdragan/dude-ette-dragon?
I think flashing a pic of that...being(?) would stop any conversation. Madness personified.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 13, 2017 05:15 PM (W+vEI)

66 58 I starting to worry that Ace named his shelves Brad.
Posted by: Walter Freeman at November 13, 2017 05:13 PM (I/iGu)

So did Ace trash (wreck) his shelves?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 13, 2017 05:16 PM (jxbfJ)

67 Koskinen is out finally. Friday was his last day I believe.
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 13, 2017 05:11 PM (OD2ni)



Oh, cool! That's good news.

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at November 13, 2017 05:16 PM (br2jI)

68 Test? This blog has tests? Wtf.

Posted by: dantesed at November 13, 2017 05:16 PM (88xKn)

69 Ace, there is an advertisement showing up in the left sidebar from a company called "Revolve". All the gorgeous models used in the ad look to me like they are in high school. Should the WaPo find out about underage gorgeous models, I'm sure there will be headlines,

"Preeminent Center-Right Blogger Accused Of Displaying Sexy Pictures of High School Girls on Blog!"


First, those headlines. You'll be denounced from the Senate floor. Following that, the President will tweet something about you, and his aides will go forth to say they will stand by you unless more evidence comes out. Then, finally, Gloria Allred will host a news conference. It'll be All Ace's girls, All the time.

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at November 13, 2017 05:16 PM (ylUqT)

70 Wondering if Moo Moo is still with us, but flying a different flag.

Posted by: Winona Ryder at November 13, 2017 05:16 PM (n1QPh)

71 Empress would this pass muster you think if Congress passed this law and the President signed it?

"Any person in the employment of the Federal government who refuses to testify before Congress will be summarily fired with loss of all pensions and other perks."
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 13, 2017 05:07 PM (wdl1A)



Sounds good to me.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 13, 2017 05:16 PM (dEQP3)

72 'Freedom is a fragile thing and is never more than one generation away from extinction....'

I think we've arrived.

Posted by: a lurker at November 13, 2017 05:17 PM (R56o9)

73 :::silently zeros in:::

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Nostrildamus (No Smoothies) at November 13, 2017 05:17 PM (C38UF)

74 David cracked Corn and I don't care.

Posted by: Yankah at November 13, 2017 05:17 PM (IqV8l)

75 Just out of curiosity, who actually is the Deep State?





The Deep State is composed of The Rothchilds, the Ford Foundation,
Skull and Bones, and the Bilderbergs, with a big dollop of Creme de
Soros' Spincter lathered on top....
---

Easier way to find out?

Who screams autistically over anything Trump does?

Those who hate Trump the most are Deep State.

/McConnell, McLame, Ryan.... to start with. Then add in Clintons, Pelsoi, Schumer, etc.

Posted by: shibumi at November 13, 2017 05:17 PM (aT+Bx)

76 The Deep State is composed of The Rothchilds, the Ford Foundation, Skull and Bones, and the Bilderbergs, with a big dollop of Creme de Soros' Spincter lathered on top....
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at November 13, 2017 05:14 PM (br2jI)



And the Colonel with his wee beady eyes.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 13, 2017 05:17 PM (dEQP3)

77 60---So just how "powerful" could Moore have been?
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at November 13, 2017 05:14 PM (BXf9o)
--------------------------
Well, um, he did have a job!
Okay, an undoubtedly low-paying job --- but better than the HS boys working at McDonald's.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 13, 2017 05:18 PM (0jtPF)

78 Is there any reason, really, to think that Hillary would have made any of these decisions? Her Russian handlers knew that she couldn't even get into a van without passing out, so it's hard to believe that they would actually entrust her with anything more complex than opening the Vodka.

Posted by: goon at November 13, 2017 05:18 PM (EaQ6/)

79 Just out of curiosity, who actually is the Deep State?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Nostrildamus (No Smoothies)


For the purposes of this theory, "Deep State" is defined (loosely) as the mass and loose network of like-minded permanent and quasi-permanent personnel in the various Departments and agencies who, largely on autopilot, set and drive an agenda in tune with their own priorities and worldview.

I should make clear, for the record, that I do not consider this a coordinated "conspiracy" so much as an emergent culture of like-minded individuals.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at November 13, 2017 05:18 PM (AM1GF)

80 Our elites are so fucking stupid they can't even do a coup right.

Posted by: ryukyu at November 13, 2017 05:18 PM (12Vsr)

81 Check me if I'm wrong Sandy, but if the Presidential Suite at the Ritz Carlton has hidden cameras in it, well they caught the Obamas not behaving like man and wife.

Not to mention a bunch of other people doing stuff.

This is stupider on its face, than me.

Excuse me while I kill all the golfers.

Sandy: Not Golfers! GOPHERS!! Wee furry brown rodents!

Posted by: Carl Spackler at November 13, 2017 05:19 PM (Kp7wN)

82 15 This is on Trump for not saying point blank any question the House oversight committee asks of the FBI will be answered in full about *any* investigation. Any person who refuses is fired on the spot.

I dunno. That'd just make 'em martyrs.

Posted by: Anachronda at November 13, 2017 05:19 PM (sGtp+)

83 @70

BSG is the bastard off spring of moo moo, Chem Jeff and Palin Steele.

Posted by: Kreplach at November 13, 2017 05:20 PM (Q+IXl)

84 I remember a quote somehow along the lines "A republic if we can keep it" I fear we are going down the track were a republic will not stand. I'm angry and sad at the same time. Fuck the dems and the gope right in the squeakhole. Fucking treasonous assholes.

Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at November 13, 2017 05:20 PM (0OmEj)

85 I am not a tuna!

Posted by: Day of the dolphin at November 13, 2017 05:20 PM (gbWkA)

86 >>>For the purposes of this theory, "Deep State" is defined (loosely) as the mass and loose network of like-minded permanent and quasi-permanent personnel in the various Departments and agencies who, largely on autopilot, set and drive an agenda in tune with their own priorities and worldview.

So which ones are manipulating Congress and blackmailing the GOP? Is that like a special arm?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Nostrildamus (No Smoothies) at November 13, 2017 05:20 PM (C38UF)

87 Anna Puma-

I liked the animal comedy pictures a lot. Thanks They were great photos although I don't think all of them were exactly funny. And here's something for you back

Funny cat memes:

http://tinyurl.com/yadodwlm

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 13, 2017 05:20 PM (8+Ozj)

88 better yet, Anna, they really need to be forced to do German scheisse videos with Cartman's mom.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 13, 2017 05:21 PM (bsBH4)

89 BSG is the bastard off spring of moo moo, Chem Jeff and Palin Steele.

Posted by: Kreplach at November 13, 2017 05:20 PM (Q+IXl)
Yes, most definitely.

Posted by: Peaches at November 13, 2017 05:21 PM (14URa)

90 BSG is the bastard off spring of moo moo, Chem Jeff and Palin Steele.

Posted by: Kreplach


Actually, I considered it a fair question, which is why I answered it. It's important to define your terms. (We may need a better term than "Deep State"--"New Eunichs"? "Newniks" for short?)

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at November 13, 2017 05:21 PM (AM1GF)

91 >>>BSG is the bastard off spring of moo moo, Chem Jeff and Palin Steele.

***snickers***

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Nostrildamus (No Smoothies) at November 13, 2017 05:22 PM (C38UF)

92 And the Colonel with his wee beady eyes.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 13, 2017 05:17 PM (dEQP3)




I had to look it up- wow, you have an impressive amount of quotes stored upstairs to get to that so quick!!

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at November 13, 2017 05:22 PM (br2jI)

93 Chem Jeff was a long time moron in good standing who just sort of lost it over Trump and wandered off muttering "not a binary choice. Binary. Binary. Choice."

Posted by: Winona Ryder at November 13, 2017 05:22 PM (n1QPh)

94 To good to read, at Drudge:

"WH officials float Sessions Senate fix"

Is sessions going to go back to the Senate, replacing Moore? That's a fix I could get behind!

If nothing else it makes room for AtC to be Attorney General, though the press will have to get used to calling her "Empress", and J.Christian Adams as Grand Inquisitor General of the Justice Department.

I like this dream.

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at November 13, 2017 05:22 PM (ylUqT)

95 zzzzZZZZzzzz

Posted by: J. Sessions at November 13, 2017 05:22 PM (mcI77)

96 Hot time! Christmas in the City, the back of my neck is ....

Aloha Snackbar types are getting all stabby.

Posted by: Archer at November 13, 2017 05:23 PM (gbWkA)

97 And the Colonel with his wee beady eyes.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 13, 2017 05:17 PM (dEQP3)

He puts an addictive chemical in his chicken that makes you crave it fortnightly, smartass!

Posted by: Insomniac at November 13, 2017 05:23 PM (NWiLs)

98 >I short circuited the discussion by telling him I had a new pet called
"Transgender Dragon". That really threw him. He didn't know what to do
with that. Which was what I hoped would happen.



Heh. You're referring to the transgender transdragan/dude-ette-dragon?
I think flashing a pic of that...being(?) would stop any conversation. Madness personified.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 13, 2017 05:15 PM (W+vEI)


I picked the term up from South Park. I found it hilarious. So I refer to it often. I didn't know there was an actual pic. I'll have to do some research.

But yea, Brotato was starting to rev up a convo about "bias" and what he learned, and it was gonna be a futile conversation. I know my brother. He was visiting, I wanted to laugh, and no way was that gonna happen if I couldn't stop the Bias meanderings from company class. Just mentioning my pet Transgender Dragon did it.

I really love TD now.

Posted by: Professor chaos or gumdrop gorilla at November 13, 2017 05:24 PM (D3Jo9)

99 Every time someone puts up a link to a cat video, not only do I roll my eyes, but my typing accuracy falls off of a cliff. (because my spell checker is fighting it's way through the constant stream of cat videos, trying to find the correct spelling of Ohio!)

Posted by: goon at November 13, 2017 05:24 PM (EaQ6/)

100 Oooohhh, you're gonna eat my chicken, oooohhh!

Posted by: Insomniac at November 13, 2017 05:24 PM (NWiLs)

101 He puts an addictive chemical in his chicken that makes you crave it fortnightly, smartass!
=============
HEEEAD PANTS NOW!

Posted by: simplemind at November 13, 2017 05:24 PM (EmnOU)

102 Does the Left really, truly understand what happens when the great unwashed (us) come to accept that the Rule of Law doesn't apply to them (the Left)?

Bammy isn't in office, I don't think they are going to get the Martial Law crackdown they want. Rather, I think that the nasty tactics the Left has used against people like Scalise and Paul will come home to roost ...

I do NOT advocate it, but neither will I be sorry to see the Left get that which they so desperately are asking for...

Posted by: acethepug at November 13, 2017 05:24 PM (539ql)

103 brother cavil- thank you for answering, well, a question likely posed as a trap.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at November 13, 2017 05:25 PM (5s7Dx)

104
So which ones are manipulating Congress and blackmailing the GOP? Is that like a special arm?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Nostrildamus (No Smoothies)


That assumes organization beyond that of the various agencies. I would suspect, in this theoretical model, that the "projects" are initiated in agencies with the pull to do so under most circumstances, frequently with coordination with like-minded groups that share the same cultural mindset, but not in a formal manner.

(If you're familiar with the concept of a "Stand-Alone Complex", which yes I'm making a Ghost in the Shell reference but it's a useful concept!)

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at November 13, 2017 05:25 PM (AM1GF)

105 Chem Jeff was a long time moron in good standing who
just sort of lost it over Trump and wandered off muttering "not a
binary choice. Binary. Binary. Choice."

Posted by: Winona Ryder at November 13, 2017 05:22 PM (n1QPh)
I'm sorry but that little fucker lost it waaaaaay before Trump. He fried my ass years ago. I hope he has herpes.

Posted by: Peaches at November 13, 2017 05:25 PM (14URa)

106 BSG is also an offspring of a candy bar apparently. He mentions "snickers" a lot :^) Well, it's all in keeping in the family of gooey desserts, candy etc.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 13, 2017 05:25 PM (8+Ozj)

107 I dunno. That'd just make 'em martyrs.
Posted by: Anachronda at November 13, 2017 05:19 PM (sGtp+)



So what.

Congress needs to reestablish its authority as a co-equal branch. I have been against the unitary executive theory of governance since at least George W. Bush and judicial supremacy has been a bugaboo of mine lo all these years I have been 29.

My autistic screeching about the administrative state is long and well screeched.

The House and the Senate are not show places where motley bags of loosely connected tissues make bellowing noises out of their maws while the civil servant class, the foreign service apparatchiks, and the ever so noble law enforcement and attorneys do the actual work.

The tripartite system of US governance depends on each branch guarding its power jealously. Congress has abdicated its power because the members do not want accountability. Well, when those allegedly accountable refuse to be so, how much more will the underlings also so refuse.

Bah. A pox on them all.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 13, 2017 05:25 PM (dEQP3)

108 Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Nostrildamus (No Smoothies) at November 13, 2017 05:20 PM (C38UF)

Why does it have to be blackmail. Like minded people coming together to undermine a policy or another person by covert or any other means possible has been done throughout history .


Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 13, 2017 05:25 PM (Z4z/q)

109 brother cavil- thank you for answering, well, a question likely posed as a trap.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo


Granted, but honestly, I just hate sloppy thinking, even when I'm the one doing it. I'm pretty much "thinking out loud" and refining my own theories here and don't mind a little hostile destruct testing to add rigor!

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at November 13, 2017 05:26 PM (AM1GF)

110 Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 13, 2017 05:25 PM (Z4z/q)

I think you should assume that he is not asking any of these questions in good faith.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 13, 2017 05:26 PM (NWiLs)

111
In December of 1977, when the accuser says Moore attacked her, Moore
would have just been a few months out of law school, and a brand new
hire in the D.A.'s office.


So....

....why did she ask him to sign it anyway? He obviously wasn't a local celebrity at that point...

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 13, 2017 05:27 PM (oVJmc)

112 PIPER DOWN! PIPER DOWN!

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 13, 2017 05:27 PM (dEQP3)

113 Answer: of course.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at November 13, 2017 05:27 PM (U6f54)

114 I just love how the Senate is only now becoming all moral.
Not a whiff of any of this "morality" when Ted Kennedy, Bobby Byrd was there, or even now with Menendez.

Posted by: navybrat at November 13, 2017 05:28 PM (w7KSn)

115 I think you should assume that he is not asking any of these questions in good faith.
============
There's too much oil on the lanes and his ball won't hook like its supposed to so he's killin' time until it wears off a bit.

Posted by: simplemind at November 13, 2017 05:28 PM (l2QCv)

116 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 13, 2017 05:20 PM (8+Ozj)

My favorite was the one with the cat in it.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 13, 2017 05:28 PM (y87Qq)

117 >>>Why does it have to be blackmail. Like minded people coming together to undermine a policy or another person by covert or any other means possible has been done throughout history .

Brother Cavil said blackmail. That was why I asked.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Nostrildamus (No Smoothies) at November 13, 2017 05:28 PM (C38UF)

118 Posted by: goon at November 13, 2017 05:24 PM (EaQ6/)

Would you prefer dog videos? :^) If you don't click on it it shouldn't cause computer problems.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 13, 2017 05:28 PM (8+Ozj)

119 The word "nood", that I see used here so frequently, to indicate that more space has been allocated by the Gods for us to post comments, well, it's kind of racist and off-putting for those of us just looking for a gentle place to scream at the sky.

Posted by: goon at November 13, 2017 05:29 PM (EaQ6/)

120 Now he's going to cry himself to sleep on his huuuge pillah!

Posted by: Insomniac at November 13, 2017 05:29 PM (NWiLs)

121 It's too bad Mr. Paul Anka is Canadian, since he would have to be an Alabamian to qualify as a write in candidate in the Mitch McConnell Magic Write-In Senate Election.

But, "Senator Paul Anka" really would be something to see. He's be the new Majority Leader in nothing flat.

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at November 13, 2017 05:29 PM (ylUqT)

122 So, DHS is testing supposedly harmless chemicals and biological substances in OK to see what would happen in an actual attack.
1.) It sucks to be you OK
2.) Did we not already cover this during the Cold War?

Posted by: Archer at November 13, 2017 05:29 PM (gbWkA)

123 why did she ask him to sign it anyway? He obviously wasn't a local celebrity at that point

It used to be more of a thing, to get interesting people to sign your yearbook so you seem cool. Getting handsome AG office guy to sign the book, I could see some schoolgirl doing.

I have a hard time getting worked up by the dossier/Russia story because its so obviously stupid bullcrap. Its like a big argument over Spock's underwear to me.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 13, 2017 05:29 PM (39g3+)

124 Scene: Brady family home, Jan at top of stairs:
Jan: Russia, Russia, Russia (stomps off and flicks long blonde hair)

Everyone of the so-called media elite, talking-heads, pundits, and journ O lists are Jan, but without the hair, not that pretty, and got the cramps all month long. Trump is not just a landlord but also a tenant because he lives in their head RENT FREE!

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 13, 2017 05:29 PM (bmkS9)

125 85 I am not a tuna!
Posted by: Day of the dolphin at November 13, 2017 05:20 PM (gbWkA)


Sorry, Charlie...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 13, 2017 05:29 PM (mbhDw)

126
....why did she ask him to sign it anyway? He obviously wasn't a local celebrity at that point...

=======
Clearly she knew 40 years later she'd be attempting to discredit him and wished to have evidence of the encounter. He, being a whiz just out of law school, sussed out her plan and thwarted her.

Posted by: simplemind at November 13, 2017 05:29 PM (SW6Ql)

127 PIPER DOWN! PIPER DOWN!

What if AOSHQ turned into So I Married An Axe Murderer so slowly nobody noticed?

Posted by: Sporkatus at November 13, 2017 05:30 PM (HtLSE)

128 Did David Corn grope Steele to get the info out of him?

Posted by: jihadi at November 13, 2017 05:30 PM (I64i9)

129 Well, can we all agree that at some point Chem Jeff was a moron in good standing at some point? The other two were asshats from day one. The newish one, with the constant contrarian devil's advocate bullshit, really reminds me of Moo moo, albeit sans the bragging about success and wealth.

Posted by: Winona Ryder at November 13, 2017 05:30 PM (n1QPh)

130 >>>I think you should assume that he is not asking any of these questions in good faith.

Of course, that makes them easier to dismiss. Good idea.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Nostrildamus (No Smoothies) at November 13, 2017 05:30 PM (C38UF)

131 It used to be more of a thing, to get interesting people to sign your yearbook so you seem cool. Getting handsome AG office guy to sign the book, I could see some schoolgirl doing.

Was this before or after he tried to rape her?

Posted by: It's me donna at November 13, 2017 05:30 PM (O2RFr)

132 Or I could be all wet and full of shit. However I am not optimistic that the United states will ever take a turn to the right politically. We seem to be on the nascar plan of repeated left turns.

Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at November 13, 2017 05:30 PM (0OmEj)

133 Brother Cavil said blackmail. That was why I asked.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Nostrildamus (No Smoothies)


Like I said, my own loose thinking. Allow me to revise the theory: They use multiple tools to corrupt Congress, including but not limited to blackmail, bribery, special perks, and the like. They do not always find it necessary, but sometimes an extra push is needed, and I'm sure they keep files even when they don't need them...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at November 13, 2017 05:31 PM (AM1GF)

134 Re: that sidebar item about Hillary telling terrible jokes on the terrible Seth Meyers television show.

When will leftwing talk show hosts give up the impossible dream of humanizing Hillary Clinton? That is an impossibility, apart, of course from the perspective of sin, corruption and depravity being part of the human condition.

Posted by: Northernlurker, the lurkingest lurker of the north. Still proudly lurking. at November 13, 2017 05:31 PM (nBr1j)

135 I should make clear, for the record, that I do not consider this a coordinated "conspiracy" so much as an emergent culture of like-minded individuals.



I agree about this. This "Deep State", which I sometimes find myself thinking of as the "Dark State", is something even George Will & Bill Kristol have referred to...as a good thing and seemed to view themselves as part of it. Kind of like a shadow government that will bring down the legtimate govt. b/c they know better than the voters.

Very upsetting to me. Dangerous. And not patriotic...no matter how they have twisted it around in their own heads to justify it. It is traitorous.

Posted by: Professor chaos or gumdrop gorilla at November 13, 2017 05:31 PM (D3Jo9)

136 Shelves are just Messenger Bags for your wall.

Posted by: garrett at November 13, 2017 05:31 PM (MzRVw)

137 Moo Moo wasn't bad all the time, he just got more and more caustic over time. The Trump Wars really got awful, nearly as bad as the Terri Schiavo fights.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 13, 2017 05:31 PM (39g3+)

138 Ooo aren't you a SEXY bastard, give us a kiss.

Posted by: simplemind at November 13, 2017 05:31 PM (ZTGaI)

139 118 Posted by: goon at November 13, 2017 05:24 PM (EaQ6/)

Would you prefer dog videos? :^) If you don't click on it it shouldn't cause computer problems.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 13, 2017 05:28 PM (8+Ozj)


Well, that would be like taking responsibility for my actions, and that's just the kind of thing that taking a knee is fighting against!

Posted by: goon at November 13, 2017 05:31 PM (EaQ6/)

140 Constitutional question for the Horde legal minds: Can the House grant a Letter of Marque to hunt down GOPe Senators? What would the reward be, do you think?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at November 13, 2017 05:31 PM (ylUqT)

141 I think you should assume that he is not asking any of these questions in good faith.

I don't care why the questions are asked. They're useful in refining the theory, and that's all that matters.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at November 13, 2017 05:32 PM (AM1GF)

142 114
I just love how the Senate is only now becoming all moral.

Not a whiff of any of this "morality" when Ted Kennedy, Bobby Byrd was there, or even now with Menendez.


This is the august body who didn't throw out Gerry Studds for fucking a male 17-year-old *SENATE PAGE.*

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 13, 2017 05:32 PM (oVJmc)

143 Steele has Corn in his shit evidently.

Posted by: J. Sessions at November 13, 2017 05:33 PM (mcI77)

144 The Dossier, the meeting with the Russian lawyer lady, the faked DNS logs... It was an op, the whole damn thing was an op.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 13, 2017 05:33 PM (IcT7t)

145 Was this before or after he tried to rape her?

According to her (to me at least) overly detailed story she read like someone else wrote it for her, it was before when he was all flirty McFlirterston.

I'll buy maybe they dated. But the "he tried to force me" and "he threw me out of the car with a dire warning of his vast power and influence" sound ridiculous. And Gloria Allred's presence is even more problematic for her cause.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 13, 2017 05:33 PM (39g3+)

146 Woman... woe-man... whoah, man!
She was a thief,
you got to belief,
she stole my heart and my cat.
Betty,
Judy,
Josie and those hot Pussycats...
They make me horny,
Saturday morny
Girls of cartoo-ins
Won't leave me in ruins
I want to to be Betty's Barney.

Hey Jane... get me off this crazy thing... called love.

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at November 13, 2017 05:34 PM (br2jI)

147 theory --

the reason for the whole "Trump is Authoritarian" thing (before he even got into office, or did one damn thing officially) is that those that know full well they are guilty of various corruption-based felonies wanted to taint their jury pools in advance.

Posted by: jc at November 13, 2017 05:34 PM (iRJ+A)

148 So....

....why did she ask him to sign it anyway? He obviously wasn't a local celebrity at that point...
_______________

According to her, Moore saw the girl's yearbook (she had brought it into the restaurant, where she worked as a waitress) and he asked her if he could sign it.

The Daily Mail article has a photo of his signature, which is dated 12/22/1977.

The ink on Moore's law school diploma would still have been wet on that date. So why was her family afraid to report the assault to the police? The police probably would not have even known who Moore was at that point, since he could not have been working in the D.A.'s office for more than a few months.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at November 13, 2017 05:34 PM (BXf9o)

149 I don't remember much from 40 years ago. These people have amazing memories.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2017 05:34 PM (5y11N)

150 Moo Moo was a reflexive contrarian, an act which quickly becomes insufferable over time. It seems to be a pretty common attention seeking behavior.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 13, 2017 05:34 PM (oVJmc)

151 The Dossier, the meeting with the Russian lawyer lady, the faked DNS logs... It was an op, the whole damn thing was an op.
=============
Of course. Now the next step is to realize that the "op" was directed at overthrowing a duly elected US President.

Can we haz firing squads?

Posted by: simplemind at November 13, 2017 05:35 PM (wlc5J)

152 Like I said, my own loose thinking. Allow me to revise the theory:

Much as the Deep State is kind of a prokaryotic colony of bureaucrat cells, there needs to be a better term than simple blackmail. I don't think threats are commonplace, I don't think explicit blackmail is that commonplace - it doesn't need to be. The passive blackmail of being advised by one and all that the intelligence community get their jollies fucking with anybody who rocks the boat: typically enough.

When you have shitheels in positions of power stating openly that Trump ought to not pick a fight with IC because they have the ability to know everything they want to know, that cat is out of that particular bag. A tad.

Posted by: Sporkatus at November 13, 2017 05:35 PM (HtLSE)

153 150 Moo Moo was a reflexive contrarian, an act which quickly becomes insufferable over time. It seems to be a pretty common attention seeking behavior.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 13, 2017 05:34 PM (oVJmc)

Right. Which is why it's better mocked than fed.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 13, 2017 05:35 PM (NWiLs)

154 Bush twins on The Five. Morning TV in the afternoon.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 13, 2017 05:36 PM (IqV8l)

155 I thought the story was that Moore asked to sign her yearbook?

I will be honest, I'm not paying attention to any of this any longer. As I mentioned earlier today, I am in despair over the idea that saying hey I'm not going to believe or disbelieve immediately something that is he said she said nearly 40 years later is somehow rape and pedophilia apology.

I do not have the emotional energy to spare to argue about Moore. Fine. Whatever. But spare me this whole he must be condemned or the Republicans will be tarred with him inanity. Republicans already are, no matter what is said. Pointing out Kennedy or Clinton or Menendez is whataboutism and I just give up.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 13, 2017 05:36 PM (dEQP3)

156 You might think that there would be at least one FISA judge who might be real pissed off about being totally played by the previous regime.

Are the perks of being a FISA judge that sweet? Are they all just swampers? Of might they be scared shitless because a FISA judge might know some things that might be scary?

Posted by: QT 3.14159 at November 13, 2017 05:36 PM (8YAGe)

157 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 13, 2017 05:31 PM (39g3+)

Moo moo was a pro abortion arrogant ass. Saying he humble bragged frequently is an understatement.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 13, 2017 05:36 PM (Z4z/q)

158 Constitutional question for the Horde legal minds: Can the House grant a Letter of Marque to hunt down GOPe Senators? What would the reward be, do you think?

Has to be an enemy of the state, usually at war. ISIS and Saddam Hussein would have qualified, but nobody took up the idea.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 13, 2017 05:36 PM (39g3+)

159 Gloria Allred, has she ever actually gotten a case into a court and won?

Posted by: Winona Ryder at November 13, 2017 05:36 PM (n1QPh)

160 Let's see 40 years ago I had just graduated from university. I had long hair, parted in the middle, I was pathologically shy but the only names I remember are family, one professor and a lifelong friend.
I also remember my first car, which I bought that year.

Posted by: Northernlurker, the lurkingest lurker of the north. Still proudly lurking. at November 13, 2017 05:37 PM (nBr1j)

161 149 I don't remember much from 40 years ago. These people have amazing memories.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2017 05:34 PM (5y11N)


I remember not having to pee every two hours! And affordable Mustangs.

Posted by: goon at November 13, 2017 05:37 PM (EaQ6/)

162 The Daily Mail article has a photo of his signature, which is dated 12/22/1977.

Wait... who dates their signatures? And why was she carrying it around on her Christmas break at a diner???

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 13, 2017 05:37 PM (39g3+)

163 Oddly, the FBI refuses to tell the public the truth on this point. They just refuse to answer. Like law enforcement agencies accountable to the public are supposed to refuse.

The FBI is all ego, they don't want to admit they are nothing but political whores.

Posted by: Jean at November 13, 2017 05:37 PM (9TU00)

164 I also remember my first car, which I bought that year.
Posted by: Northernlurker, the lurkingest lurker of the north. Still proudly lurking. at November 13, 2017 05:37 PM (nBr1j)

Did you name it Brad?

Posted by: Insomniac at November 13, 2017 05:38 PM (NWiLs)

165 Posted by: hogmartin at November 13, 2017 05:28 PM (y87Qq)

Mine too/ :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 13, 2017 05:38 PM (8+Ozj)

166 A gem from Kristol:

Straightforward from here:
1. McConnell endorses Sessions as write-in candidate for AL Sen.
2. Sessions quits as AG to run.
3. Sessions wins.
4. Trump appoints someone already in Senate-confirmed position as new AG.
5. New AG fires Mueller.
6. Sen Sessions votes to impeach Trump.

Posted by: IC at November 13, 2017 05:38 PM (a0IVu)

167 Of course. Now the next step is to realize that the "op" was directed at overthrowing a duly elected US President.

Actually, it was an op to torpedo a candidacy. The meeting with the lady lawyer was during the campaign, and was meant to begin an investigation.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 13, 2017 05:38 PM (oVJmc)

168 Hey there sugars tits, I will sign you yearbook.

Posted by: Billy BJ Clinton at November 13, 2017 05:38 PM (gbWkA)

169
This is the august body who didn't throw out Gerry Studds for fucking a male 17-year-old *SENATE PAGE.*
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 13, 2017 05:32 PM


They gave him a STANDING OVATION!!!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 13, 2017 05:38 PM (IqV8l)

170 "humble bragged". That is such a funny but appropriate term.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 13, 2017 05:39 PM (8+Ozj)

171 a college friend posted a group photo from 30 years ago
I didn't recognize myself or remember ever owning the dress I was wearing

Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at November 13, 2017 05:39 PM (hMwEB)

172 40 years ago I was in Dental School with long hair and a Volkswagon I think

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2017 05:39 PM (5y11N)

173 167 Of course. Now the next step is to realize that the "op" was directed at overthrowing a duly elected US President.

Actually, it was an op to torpedo a candidacy. The meeting with the lady lawyer was during the campaign, and was meant to begin an investigation.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 13, 2017 05:38 PM (oVJmc)

That's how it got started but it metastasized.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 13, 2017 05:39 PM (NWiLs)

174 I am in despair over the idea that saying hey I'm not going to believe or disbelieve immediately something that is he said she said nearly 40 years later is somehow rape and pedophilia apology.

Yeah I don't care one way or another about Moore. Not in my state, I don't trust him to be much use in congress in any case. But I don't care for how people are acting about this, its like everyone lined up to play parts in an awful play. People keep yelling Pedophiles and rapists, when neither is on display here. People keep fake weeping for the children and how this hurts all women.

I just think back to the guys I've known in my life who were falsely accused of sexual misconduct and what happened to their careers, their families, their lives.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 13, 2017 05:39 PM (39g3+)

175 According to her, Moore saw the girl's yearbook (she had brought it into the restaurant, where she worked as a waitress) and he asked her if he could sign it.

The Daily Mail article has a photo of his signature, which is dated 12/22/1977.

The ink on Moore's law school diploma would still have been wet on that date. So why was her family afraid to report the assault to the police? The police probably would not have even known who Moore was at that point, since he could not have been working in the D.A.'s office for more than a few months.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at November 13, 2017 05:34 PM (BXf9o)


She brought her yearbook into the restaurant where she worked on 12/22/77 why exactly? Doesn't sound like it was near a graduation date.

Posted by: Tami at November 13, 2017 05:39 PM (Enq6K)

176 Did you name it Brad?
Posted by: Insomniac at November 13, 2017 05:38 PM (NWiLs)



Oh MY!

Posted by: George T. at November 13, 2017 05:39 PM (br2jI)

177 Moo Moo was a reflexive contrarian, an act which quickly becomes insufferable over time. It seems to be a pretty common attention seeking behavior.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles

Right. Which is why it's better mocked than fed.
Posted by: Insomniac


Except when it's useful, which I find so in this case.

Loose shit, it ain't just for blog software...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at November 13, 2017 05:39 PM (AM1GF)

178 12/22/77

The Dead didn't play that night.

Posted by: garrett at November 13, 2017 05:40 PM (MzRVw)

179 Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 13, 2017 05:36 PM (dEQP3)

Take a break from all the s**t for a few days. Who on Earth believes you love child-rapists?

Balance is a gift we can offer the world only if we have it; that's tricky in our insane world. My take is that my monster rather than their monster. Beyond that I need to believe goodness and truth exist somewhere. Why not Roy Moore?

Posted by: BarcelonaCarmen at November 13, 2017 05:40 PM (RHjCR)

180 Will the Bush twins be cheerleading for Planned nonParenthood? A couple of compassionate conservative apples right off the compassionate conservative tree, those two.

Posted by: Winona Ryder at November 13, 2017 05:40 PM (n1QPh)

181 A gem from Kristol:

Straightforward from here:
1. McConnell endorses Sessions as write-in candidate for AL Sen.
2. Sessions quits as AG to run.
3. Sessions wins.
4. Trump appoints someone already in Senate-confirmed position as new AG.
5. New AG fires Mueller.
6. Sen Sessions votes to impeach Trump.

Posted by: IC at November 13, 2017 05:38 PM (a0IVu)

7. Impeach Pence!8. *H*I*L*L*A*R*Y*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 13, 2017 05:40 PM (oVJmc)

182 Actually, it was an op to torpedo a candidacy. The meeting with the lady lawyer was during the campaign, and was meant to begin an investigation.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 13, 2017 05:38 PM (oVJmc)

That's how it got started but it metastasized.

Posted by: Insomniac
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I just want to know . . .

Can we haz firing squads?

Posted by: simplemind at November 13, 2017 05:40 PM (FEY4h)

183
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 13, 2017 05:36 PM (dEQP3)
--------
I am really beginning to think republicans are looking for reasons to lose. I think they would rather fundraise as the minority party rather than lead as the majority.

Posted by: Weasel at November 13, 2017 05:40 PM (Sfs6o)

184 Never go to a meeting with the Russians without enough coke. And Vodka. They'll walk out after 20 minuets every time. Ungrateful pukes!

Posted by: goon at November 13, 2017 05:40 PM (EaQ6/)

185 Moo Moo didn't bother me much.
Laughing at him for his pretensions and fabulous wealth was fun --- and he took it in stride.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 13, 2017 05:40 PM (0jtPF)

186 And yet Clapper and Brennan were on the Sunday Morning Shows yesterday, quadrupling down on "the Russians meddled" and Trump is lying ON FOREIGN SOIL when he says different.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 13, 2017 05:40 PM (cAXIk)

187 Just read John Hinderaker at Power line, he might be the only one on the brakes of wanting Moore castrated and guillotine

Posted by: Skip at November 13, 2017 05:41 PM (aC6Sd)

188 The meeting with the lady lawyer was during the campaign, and was meant to begin an investigation.

And didn't quite come off right. Which is oddly consistent with it as the aim of a conspiracy, because without media cover, they can rarely organize the metaphorical pissup at a brewery properly.

Posted by: Sporkatus at November 13, 2017 05:41 PM (HtLSE)

189 @141 THANK YOU! That's what I've been saying!

Posted by: Johnny at November 13, 2017 05:41 PM (kUotE)

190 I also remember have a three-piece Johnny Carson label suit, which I wore to my grad.
The day was hot and the suit was wool about an inch think IIRC.

Posted by: Northernlurker, the lurkingest lurker of the north. Still proudly lurking. at November 13, 2017 05:41 PM (nBr1j)

191 12/27/77, they started their Winterland run.

Opened with Bertha > Good Lovin', I think.

Posted by: garrett at November 13, 2017 05:41 PM (MzRVw)

192 Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at November 13, 2017 05:39 PM (AM1GF)

You're a glass-half-full, make chicken salad out of chicken shit sort of fellow. I respect that.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 13, 2017 05:41 PM (NWiLs)

193 Chem Jeff was a long time moron in good standing who
just sort of lost it over Trump and wandered off muttering "not a
binary choice. Binary. Binary. Choice."

Posted by: Winona Ryder at November 13, 2017 05:22 PM (n1QPh)
I'm sorry but that little fucker lost it waaaaaay before Trump. He fried my ass years ago. I hope he has herpes.
Posted by: Peaches

I think his chances of that are slim at best

Posted by: Jean at November 13, 2017 05:41 PM (9TU00)

194 Lesson 16:

NEVER nominate a solid sitting senator to a shitty cabinet post and risk a special election.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2017 05:42 PM (5y11N)

195 Going through life looking like Mitch McConnell does has to lead one to be a total revenge freak piece of shit on all occasions that present themselves.

Posted by: tentotwo at November 13, 2017 05:42 PM (yhf6w)

196 Has to be an enemy of the state, usually at war. ISIS and Saddam Hussein would have qualified, but nobody took up the idea.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 13, 2017 05:36 PM (39g3+)
==============================================



Enemy of the state, you say?

If a Senator, call him "Vain", were to actively encourage the FBI to illegally investigate the incoming President (a hated political rival of Senator Vain's) and gave them a fictional dossier to justify or further the investigation, how far along the Sedition evidence path would you call that?

Posted by: Gene Hackman at November 13, 2017 05:42 PM (ylUqT)

197 155 I thought the story was that Moore asked to sign her yearbook?
__________________

Yes, that is what she said happened. He saw the yearbook, and asked her if he could sign it. She was flattered, and said yes.

But it's the date that is interesting. Moore was just out of law school. He graduated in 1977. He was a newby lawyer, and could only have been at the D.A.'s office for a few months. He wasn't, at that time, a major power in the town. He was a very green lawyer, just starting out.

Yet the woman claims her family was afraid to report the attack on her, because Moore was "too powerful" in the town.

Maybe I'm missing something, but it doesn't make sense to me.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at November 13, 2017 05:42 PM (BXf9o)

198 Has the person who stole Mitch McConnell's chin ever been charged?

Posted by: Northernlurker, the lurkingest lurker of the north. Still proudly lurking. at November 13, 2017 05:43 PM (nBr1j)

199 t it doesn't make sense to me.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at November 13, 2017 05:42 PM (BXf9o)

Sense has nothing to do with it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2017 05:43 PM (5y11N)

200 You're a glass-half-full, make chicken salad out of chicken shit sort of fellow. I respect that.
Posted by: Insomniac


I'm trying to follow an excellent example someone set for me a long time ago. After all, you never know what you'll be able to make from the stonemason's rejects...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at November 13, 2017 05:44 PM (AM1GF)

201 Judge Moore thing with the accusers reminds me of the BURN THE WITCH scene in Monty Python & The Holy Grail.

Posted by: Archer at November 13, 2017 05:44 PM (gbWkA)

202 40 years ago I was a senior in high school. I had the butt cut hair and a cutlass salon with a 455 rocket. No stress , lots of fun.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 13, 2017 05:44 PM (Z4z/q)

203 199 t it doesn't make sense to me.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at November 13, 2017 05:42 PM (BXf9o)

Sense has nothing to do with it
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2017 05:43 PM (5y11N)

It's the seriousness of the accusation, not the truth, that really matters.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 13, 2017 05:44 PM (NWiLs)

204 Max Headroom for President! I'm stickin' with it.

Posted by: goon at November 13, 2017 05:44 PM (EaQ6/)

205 All I want for Christmas is to see Fusion GPS Bank Records . . .

Posted by: simplemind at November 13, 2017 05:44 PM (Kp7wN)

206
chemjeff is a piece of shit.

How many times did we try with that goof?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 13, 2017 05:45 PM (QMkgW)

207 Lesson 16:

NEVER nominate a solid sitting senator to a shitty cabinet post and risk a special election.

Posted by: Nevergiveup


I tried to tell them...nobody listened...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at November 13, 2017 05:45 PM (AM1GF)

208 Kurt Schichter wrote an excellent essay on the Moore imbroglio, over at Townhall.

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at November 13, 2017 05:45 PM (ylUqT)

209 I figure the dossier was just supposed to be campaign fodder, and it got passed around and meetings hapened that looked bad in retrospect, so they came up with this Russia thing as cover for tall the sloppy, questionable, and flat illegal stuff being done to harm a candidate. I dont buy any huge overarching clever plan from those pot-smoke-wreathed bozos.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 13, 2017 05:45 PM (39g3+)

210 >>198 Has the person who stole Mitch McConnell's chin ever been charged?

Charging people for crimes is so yesterday. We scold them now and suggest they get therapy. Get with it old man.

Posted by: J. Sessions at November 13, 2017 05:45 PM (mcI77)

211 F' u, peasants. Now, buy my book.

Posted by: Teh Honorable Jim Comey at November 13, 2017 05:45 PM (eIQHF)

212 Kristol is wetting his pants in anticipation of all this leading to a Trump impeachment. Somehow.

Posted by: IC at November 13, 2017 05:45 PM (a0IVu)

213 The Bush twins went on Chelsea Handler, which did not sit well with either fan base.

I was surprised they did...at first. But then realized 3 things:

-All 3 hate Trump

-One twin is registered as an Independent; not sure about other.

-The Left has discovered George Bush love ever since Trump got in office and Bush spoke out against him.

There was a time everything was not all about politics, and this kind of book promotion visit would have been no big deal. But now everything is so heavily politicized, esp. by the likes of someone like Handler, that of course their visit raised eyebrows. Just another eyeroll moment in today's America.

We are living in some batshit crazy times.

Posted by: Professor chaos or gumdrop gorilla at November 13, 2017 05:45 PM (D3Jo9)

214 Lesson 16:

NEVER nominate a solid sitting senator to a shitty cabinet post and risk a special election.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2017 05:42 PM (5y11N)

This was a no brainer.

Nominate someone solid, replace him with someone solid. Lying Democrats and GOPe scum don't change that.

Posted by: Country Boy at November 13, 2017 05:46 PM (SUCEn)

215 >>I picked the term up from South Park. I found it hilarious. So I refer
to it often. I didn't know there was an actual pic. I'll have to do
some research.


It's a man who underwent a sex change to be a woman *and then* decided no, he's really a dragon. So he went about all sorts of body modification - tats, reducing his ears, etc. Warning: You can't unsee pics of him/her/it.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 13, 2017 05:46 PM (W+vEI)

216 Kristol is wetting his pants in anticipation of all this leading to a Trump impeachment. Somehow.
==============
He should be institutionalized.

Posted by: simplemind at November 13, 2017 05:47 PM (A7FfW)

217 Maybe I'm missing something, but it doesn't make sense to me.

My guess is they met, he flirted, signed her yearbook, they dated, it didn't work out and decades later she was shown a wad of cash to play along, making up details that never happened.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 13, 2017 05:47 PM (39g3+)

218 What do you all suppose happened to the photocopies of the 700 raw FBI files the Clintons were caught with back in 1993?

THAT is the major source of most of the power the Deep State possesses now.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 13, 2017 05:48 PM (bsBH4)

219 Kristol wetting his pants means it's a day ending in a "y.". Still mad he didn't get the war with Russia he wanted or whatever.

Posted by: Winona Ryder at November 13, 2017 05:48 PM (n1QPh)

220 It's as easy as downing a pie making accusations 40 years old that couldn't be proven in any way shape or form.

Posted by: Skip at November 13, 2017 05:48 PM (aC6Sd)

221 Kristol is wetting his pants PERIOD. END OF STORY. That guy looks like a pants wetter to me.

Posted by: Archer at November 13, 2017 05:49 PM (gbWkA)

222 You couldn't slide a damn dime between a VW driver and a Communist! Everyone knows this. The decay of American culture began at the exact minute that air-cooled engines were allowed across our borders!

Posted by: goon at November 13, 2017 05:49 PM (EaQ6/)

223 At this point, the really rabid NeverTrumpers are like the crazy guy that sleeps outside the 7-11 and repeats the same phrase to himself all day long. "Sally said play Lotto. Sally said play lotto. Sally said play lotto. SALLY said play Lotto. Sally said play Lotto? Sally...."

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 13, 2017 05:49 PM (39g3+)

224 Kristol is wetting his pants in anticipation of all this leading to a Trump impeachment. Somehow.
========================

I'm going over to Amazon. Sending him some Depends right now.

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at November 13, 2017 05:49 PM (ylUqT)

225 The FBI is so filthy with the deep state it wouldn't bother me if they were disbanded

Posted by: Skip at November 13, 2017 05:49 PM (aC6Sd)

226 Mitch McConnell has to go. He is low hanging fruit for an op with money.

Posted by: tentotwo at November 13, 2017 05:50 PM (yhf6w)

227 What do you all suppose happened to the photocopies of the 700 raw FBI files the Clintons were caught with back in 1993?

THAT is the major source of most of the power the Deep State possesses now.
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Well, that was the beginning. They leveraged that to coerce additional cooperation, illegal cooperation, and they documented that as well. Give a talented extortionist an inch, and they'll take down the whole country club.

Posted by: simplemind at November 13, 2017 05:50 PM (A7FfW)

228 Brother Cavil, thank you for your comment @141. I've been trying to explain that for weeks. You nailed it in one sentence. Good job.

Posted by: Johnny at November 13, 2017 05:50 PM (kUotE)

229 Too bad they can't just roll out the same women they used on Herman Cain or Trump, takes a lot of work to find talent and rehearse stories. Pretty much a full time job for the DNC, but I guess if you get a system down fabrication gets easier.

Posted by: The Garbone at November 13, 2017 05:50 PM (9dH/8)

230 Oops! Sorry! The dog ate my indictment.

Posted by: goon at November 13, 2017 05:50 PM (EaQ6/)

231 OT, anybody following the story of the Green Beret who might have been killed by a couple Navy Seals?

Posted by: Country Boy at November 13, 2017 05:51 PM (SUCEn)

232 How many times did we try with that goof?

Everybody here is really patient, or at least forgetful. Thankfully. I'm sure I've annoyed everyone here at least once. I don't mean to, sometimes I just get worked up or am feeling really awful and take it out on people.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 13, 2017 05:51 PM (39g3+)

233 #218, how many of those people from 1993 are still in the game or even alive? That's 24 years ago, and it's likely most of the contents were a good deal older than that.

Posted by: Winona Ryder at November 13, 2017 05:52 PM (n1QPh)

234 Wretchard (Richard Fernandez) has a good column at Belmont Club/PJMedia related to Moore.
Among other things, he points out that the Founders assumed that rulers would be flawed; hence the careful balance of powers.
He contrasts that with the modern view of government, which sees good government in terms of the pure dominating the reprobates.

He's worth a read, as always.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 13, 2017 05:52 PM (0jtPF)

235 Is there any doubt there are lot of women who found Joe Biden's tongue in an ear when they were underage?

Posted by: Northernlurker, the lurkingest lurker of the north. Still proudly lurking. at November 13, 2017 05:52 PM (nBr1j)

236 I did eat pie, 40 years ago, but I didn't inhale.

Posted by: goon at November 13, 2017 05:52 PM (EaQ6/)

237 I just walked in from errands, and the Bush twins are on The Five taking questions.

I have a couple I'd love to ask, but the Fox screener would never let me through.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 13, 2017 05:52 PM (PY9jH)

238 Good to see ace focused on the key questions. And the - apparent - difficulty that congressional committees are having getting DOJ/FBI/CIA to cough up info, documents, and etc. is simply surreal to anyone who knows how this has worked, and should work, prior to this amazing chapter.


Everyone is inured to the degradation of the country and its institutions to the point they're unrecognizable. The entirety of the Clinton crime wave at State and the jaw-dropping de facto amnesty given by the FBI/DOJ, and this absurd "dossier" affair, were not imaginable in most of my lifetime.


And those poo-pooing the extent and gravity of the GOP problem - who generally seem to be those with less direct knowledge and experience anyway - are simply unserious and unreachable if these astounding acts of corruption and lawlessness don't shock them.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 13, 2017 05:52 PM (QDnY+)

239 >>231 OT, anybody following the story of the Green Beret who might have been killed by a couple Navy Seals?

Something about stumbling on some illicit money or something right?

Posted by: Under Fire at November 13, 2017 05:53 PM (mcI77)

240 wea·sel
NOUN
a small, slender, carnivorous mammal related to, but generally smaller than, the stoat.
a deceitful or treacherous person.
synonyms: scoundrel · wretch · rogue · swine · bastard · creep · senator

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 13, 2017 05:53 PM (bmkS9)

241 @225
"The FBI is so filthy with the deep state it wouldn't bother me if they were disbanded"

THIS.

And the IRS should also be torn down and rebuilt from the ground up.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at November 13, 2017 05:53 PM (W/SyC)

242 My guess is they met, he flirted, signed her yearbook, they dated, it didn't work out and decades later she was shown a wad of cash to play along, making up details that never happened.
___________________

I have no idea, I just know that if my 16-year old girlfriend, daughter, sister had been violently sexually attacked by a man who had left bruises on her neck, I would have made damn sure he was either dead or in handcuffs at the police station the next day.

The woman says that she told her boyfriend and parents and siblings what Moore had done, but none of them came forward because he was just too powerful in their town, and they were afraid.

But how could a still-wet-behind-the-ears lawyer, who had only been working in the D.A.'s office a few months, be that powerful?

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at November 13, 2017 05:54 PM (BXf9o)

243 55 Russians have been grooming Trump for five years? That right there is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. The Russians thought the Apprentice reality star had a shot at being President six years ago? That is who they chose to groom?
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 13, 2017 05:13 PM (Z4z/q)


It's like when the Reds said that the Bush family covered for Laura Bush in her fatal traffic accident because somehow they knew that 14 years later she would meet W.

If the Bushes knew that, and the Russkis figured Trump would be elected President five years later, they should be running the world, because that some major league prescience right there.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 13, 2017 05:54 PM (YqDXo)

244 Yeah, I sure hope those boys didn't strangle a brother in arms. That is a nasty mark that everyone will have to carry. Especially in the current climate of hatefulness. The couch potatoes will make that aberration the story of the year.

Posted by: goon at November 13, 2017 05:54 PM (EaQ6/)

245 how many of those people from 1993 are still in the game or even alive? That's 24 years ago, and it's likely most of the contents were a good deal older than that.

Yea I don't think those old FBI files are worth much these days. How much use is dirt on Bob Dole and Dan Rostenkowski?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 13, 2017 05:54 PM (39g3+)

246 Comey knows all.

Do a midnight raid at his bungalow and lets see what he's hiding in his personal files.

Comey the Clown needs to be taken down.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 13, 2017 05:54 PM (nUkMr)

247 232 How many times did we try with that goof?

Everybody here is really patient, or at least forgetful. Thankfully. I'm sure I've annoyed everyone here at least once. I don't mean to, sometimes I just get worked up or am feeling really awful and take it out on people.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 13, 2017 05:51 PM (39g3+)

But you haven't done that day in, day out, on every single thread you commented on.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 13, 2017 05:55 PM (NWiLs)

248 *SNORE*

*HUH? WHAT?*


*SNORE*



Posted by: Deputy Dawg, AG at November 13, 2017 05:55 PM (UsCnO)

249 Something about stumbling on some illicit money or something right?

Stealing money from a fund to pay informants is the allegation.

Posted by: no good deed at November 13, 2017 05:55 PM (eIQHF)

250 231 OT, anybody following the story of the Green Beret who might have been killed by a couple Navy Seals?

Something about stumbling on some illicit money or something right?


Posted by: Under Fire at November 13, 2017 05:53 PM (mcI77)

Right now the story is that the GB found out the Seals were skimming funds from an account, they offered to cut him in, he refused, so they killed him.

Posted by: Country Boy at November 13, 2017 05:55 PM (SUCEn)

251 If the Moore accused told all these people at the time, is it not odd that we have not heard from any of them?

Posted by: Winona Ryder at November 13, 2017 05:55 PM (n1QPh)

252 Why has no one knocked in the door of Fusion at 4 am and seized all their files and computers?

They are not a law firm. There is nothing "privileged" about their work. They are basically an unindicted co conspirator at this point, at the least.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at November 13, 2017 05:56 PM (W/SyC)

253 Everyone is inured to the degradation of the country and its institutions to the point they're unrecognizable. The entirety of the Clinton crime wave at State and the jaw-dropping de facto amnesty given by the FBI/DOJ, and this absurd "dossier" affair, were not imaginable in most of my lifetime.

===========
Rest assured that every single person in DOJ and FBI in DC area are either democrat hacks or Rino's, but mostly demo hack's. There were no MAGA lawyers in government before Trump won, and only a very few now.

Posted by: simplemind at November 13, 2017 05:56 PM (wlc5J)

254
I just think back to the guys I've known in my life who were falsely accused of sexual misconduct and what happened to their careers, their families, their lives.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 13, 2017 05:39 PM (39g3+)



Exactly.

Here is what I was going to say earlier today but didn't want to further wall o'text.

I know a currently sitting Congressman. Not in the oh hey I know that guy because we went to the same gym years ago way, I mean in the way that I dealt with him professionally on a near daily basis for well over a decade.

I could spin a story about how he raped me, forcibly raped me, but I didn't want to report it because he and his family were very prominent in town and would destroy me. I could give dates and times and locations when I would have been alone with him. I could give the names of witnesses who would say that I greatly disliked working with him as I found him personally distastefully. I could even provide written copies of documents where I demanded that any meetings I were to have with him would have other people present. Every single word of that would be true except for the raping part.

I could do that. It would be *easy* to do that. It would take me minimal effort. The only thing that stops me from doing it is that it's wrong. It's wrong and disgusting and abhorrent.

But I know how easy it would be for me to do it. Which makes me highly skeptical of claims that oh there's this supporting evidence so it must be true. Mmmhmmm.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 13, 2017 05:56 PM (dEQP3)

255 I have no idea, I just know that if my 16-year old girlfriend, daughter, sister had been violently sexually attacked by a man who had left bruises on her neck, I would have made damn sure he was either dead or in handcuffs at the police station the next day.


"Now that you've violently attacked me sexually, how about signing my yearbook, big boy?"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 13, 2017 05:56 PM (YqDXo)

256 My best friend in high school had his brother die while on exercises in the Army. He and some other guys were in a truck driving down a road a mile or so from a firing range where they were using live rounds. Some passed through the truck, dropped his brother on the spot.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 13, 2017 05:57 PM (39g3+)

257
Comey knows all.



Do a midnight raid at his bungalow and lets see what he's hiding in his personal files.



Comey the Clown needs to be taken down.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 13, 2017 05:54 PM (nUkMr)


Look what the Obama administration did to Sharyl Attkisson. And before that, what the Clintons did to the women who came forward about his abuse.

Makes you wonder if anyone in the FBI was involved in f*cking with Attkisson's computers.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 13, 2017 05:57 PM (PY9jH)

258 How many non creepy senators are there?

Posted by: Northernlurker, the lurkingest lurker of the north. Still proudly lurking. at November 13, 2017 05:57 PM (nBr1j)

259 Why has no one knocked in the door of Fusion at 4 am and seized all their files and computers?
==========
Same reason Koskinen didn't get shit canned right away. Power doesn't just come out of the end of a gun.

Those Fusion people have the goods on a lot of people or at least they have people thinking that they do.

Posted by: simplemind at November 13, 2017 05:57 PM (+uFfW)

260 Why has no one knocked in the door of Fusion at 4 am and seized all their files and computers?


They are not a law firm. There is nothing "privileged" about their
work. They are basically an unindicted co conspirator at this point, at
the least.
---

Will you people give us a break already?

We're busy creating, I mean, locating Trump collusion evidence.

And editing the Vegas surveillance videos to fit our narrative.

And looking for mentally unstable young girls to accuse non-GOPe politicians
of rape.


Posted by: The FBI, now with 69% more corruption at November 13, 2017 05:58 PM (aT+Bx)

261 @259
If the Donks can find a Judge in Hawaii to review Executive Orders why can't we find a Judge to issue a search warrant?

Posted by: xnycpeasant at November 13, 2017 05:58 PM (W/SyC)

262 Everyone that was told about allegations, at the time, nodded sagely and offered them a ride home on a rainy night.

Posted by: goon at November 13, 2017 05:58 PM (EaQ6/)

263
How many non creepy senators are there?
--

"What is Zero?"

Posted by: shibumi at November 13, 2017 05:59 PM (aT+Bx)

264
"Now that you've violently attacked me sexually, how about signing my yearbook, big boy?"
________________

She said he signed the yearbook in the restaurant, then later they both left. In the parking lot, her boyfriend -- who was supposed to pick her up -- did not show, so Moore offered to give her a ride home. Then he assaulted her.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at November 13, 2017 05:59 PM (BXf9o)

265 It's a man who underwent a sex change to be a woman *and then* decided no, he's really a dragon. So he went about all sorts of body modification - tats, reducing his ears, etc. Warning: You can't unsee pics of him/her/it.
Posted by: Lizzy at November 13, 2017 05:46 PM (W+vEI)


I had no idea. Thought SP made it up; seems they knew about this guy and that's where it came from. Thanks for the warning. As I get older I realized it is better not to see certain things. I doubt my brother will think to google it. But, well, I'm sure I'll hear about if he does.

Posted by: Professor chaos or gumdrop gorilla at November 13, 2017 05:59 PM (D3Jo9)

266 If the Donks can find a Judge in Hawaii to review Executive Orders why can't we find a Judge to issue a search warrant?
--

Every judge in the USA is owned by Soros/Obama/DNC?


Posted by: shibumi at November 13, 2017 05:59 PM (aT+Bx)

267 She said he signed the yearbook in the restaurant, then later they both left. In the parking lot, her boyfriend -- who was supposed to pick her up -- did not show, so Moore offered to give her a ride home. Then he assaulted her.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at November 13, 2017 05:59 PM (BXf9o)



Ah, OK. Thanks.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 13, 2017 06:00 PM (YqDXo)

268 258 How many non creepy senators are there?
Posted by: Northernlurker, the lurkingest lurker of the north. Still proudly lurking. at November 13, 2017 05:57 PM (nBr1j)



I don't even think you could count Ted Cruz.

I like the guy most of the time, but he does have a bit of an air of slimy used car salesman about him on occasion too.

Posted by: buzzion - guess my sign at November 13, 2017 06:00 PM (z/Ubi)

269 @266
I really don't believe that, if only because no conspiracy is that good. It's a lack of initiative at Justice to find the right path.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at November 13, 2017 06:00 PM (W/SyC)

270 62
>>>Just out of curiosity, who actually is the Deep State?





The Deep State is composed of The Rothchilds, the Ford Foundation,
Skull and Bones, and the Bilderbergs, with a big dollop of Creme de
Soros' Spincter lathered on top....

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at November 13, 2017 05:14 PM (br2jI)


_________________
That is just one regular ammo shipment away from equality.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at November 13, 2017 06:00 PM (UsCnO)

271 Cannot believe unsubstantiated claims of alleged events that took place 40 freaking years ago are ruining a man's life. And we had a sitting president get a BJ in the oval office and he is still adored by half the country.

Posted by: IC at November 13, 2017 06:01 PM (a0IVu)

272 >> And we had a sitting president get a BJ in the oval office



You forgot the rimjob.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at November 13, 2017 06:01 PM (MzRVw)

273 The entire, and I mean entire, IC cimmunity had some part in this circusfuck. All are dirty.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 13, 2017 06:01 PM (89T5c)

274 I don't even think you could count Ted Cruz.

I like the guy most of the time, but he does have a bit of an air of slimy used car salesman about him on occasion too.

Posted by: buzzion - guess my sign at November 13, 2017 06:00 PM (z/Ubi)


Gawd, he's always given me the same vibe. I was on the Cruz train (grudgingly) until I finally climbed on board the Golden Trump Express.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 13, 2017 06:01 PM (PY9jH)

275 As I've said before, the only way any of this moves forward is for Trump, acting in his capacity as unitary executive, to start directing the activities of the FBI, DOJ and CIA through EOs and executive memoranda.

Posted by: Kreplach at November 13, 2017 06:01 PM (Q+IXl)

276 Yes, yes, most know the Russian thang is still a fruitless witch hunt by some sour grapes hags. Thus far they snagged Manafort, for stuff he supposedly did years before the 16 campaign. And also Gates, for his 2017 NY resolution of setting his pants on fire. Since neither have Trump's fingerprints isn't the real question being how the bill that was introduced on Friday to cut funding to Mueller's witch hunt might progress with Lyin'Ryan & the stench of his fellow faker - Mock McTurtle soup?

Posted by: BebeDahl at November 13, 2017 06:02 PM (yNyJy)

277 simplemind I have a very good idea of who's who in the Beltway, having spent most of my life there, but I'm referring to lack of standards, and behavior that are unprecedented.


And the collusion/friendly passivity of the accountable branch, Congress, in all this is really the blazing fire on top of the train wreck of the collapse of integrity. It starts with what alex constantly points out - the abandonment of responsibility by Congress - but now you also have what is impossible to interpret as other than complete comfort among many GOP that this administration is being slandered and undermined in a way never seen in our history.



Posted by: rhomboid at November 13, 2017 06:02 PM (QDnY+)

278 Rand Paul maybe for the non-creepy? Though he comes with the no optional creepy father attachment.

I agree about Cruz and I like Cruz.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 13, 2017 06:03 PM (dEQP3)

279 USNtakim, if you're still around, a vote for the SW MP 2.0. +1 on the suggestion to get 2, 1/ea. Four different grip inserts, so you can customize. Better trigger than a Glock (can still be improved, however).

Of course a matching 1911 full-size and Commander would not be looked at with remiss. ;-)

Don't forget extra mags.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 13, 2017 06:03 PM (ctuyM)

280 I should make clear, for the record, that I do not
consider this a coordinated "conspiracy" so much as an emergent culture
of like-minded individuals.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at November 13, 2017 05:18 PM (AM1GF)

-----------------------------

I always compare them to wildebeests wandering across a plain, just following the ass in front of them.

Posted by: Javems at November 13, 2017 06:03 PM (yOqwj)

281 PDT should be on his way back, right? He goes overseas to sign contracts to bring in business to the country and instead of working hard to move his agenda forward, the GOPe get their panties in a wad over this shit. Idiots.

Posted by: IC at November 13, 2017 06:03 PM (a0IVu)

282 It's commies, all the way down.

Posted by: That deplorable guy who always says... at November 13, 2017 06:03 PM (Tyii7)

283 "If the Donks can find a Judge in Hawaii to review Executive Orders why can't we find a Judge to issue a search warrant?"

Because Sessions ceded authority to Rosenstein who ceded it to Mueller.

Now it turns out that Rosenstein and Mueller were involved in an aborted investigation of Obama AND Hillary colluding with the Russians back around 2011. So they're either good guys secretly trying to make good, or they're both terribly compromised.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 13, 2017 06:04 PM (cAXIk)

284 Can you imagine the market for VR place settings, such as the Oval Office? I mean, just in terms of places where you could get a BJ with a willing participant. It's gonna be money, all the way down.

Posted by: goon at November 13, 2017 06:04 PM (EaQ6/)

285 Meanwhile, Chuckie Todd gets a pass for hosting parties for DC Dems:

http://tinyurl.com/y8822xlu

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 13, 2017 06:04 PM (PY9jH)

286 #218, how many of those people from 1993 are still in the game or even alive? That's 24 years ago, and it's likely most of the contents were a good deal older than that.

Posted by: Winona Ryder

Hard to tell, as it was never revealed whose files were compromised. I assume the files were selected on the basis of blackmailing in the future.

And as simplemind notes above, the 700 files were just the first tranche, if you will. More would follow from the people blackmailed with the first batch, and so on until today.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 13, 2017 06:04 PM (bsBH4)

287 Anyone else find it hilarious that there is a Saudi Princess Amira Bint Aidan Bin Nayef?

Posted by: logprof Doc Halladay for Hall of Fame 2018! at November 13, 2017 06:04 PM (GsAUU)

288 I'm still confused by the date on the yearbook. Who dates their signature? That seems weirdly specific for no good reason. I can buy he signed the book, but then later someone added the date for whatever reason.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 13, 2017 06:05 PM (39g3+)

289 Apparently Karl Lagerfeld is out.

Posted by: garrett at November 13, 2017 06:05 PM (MzRVw)

290 251 If the Moore accused told all these people at the time, is it not odd that we have not heard from any of them?
Posted by: Winona Ryder at November 13, 2017 05:55 PM (n1QPh)
____________________

Yes, you would think the accuser's boyfriend (who she says helped stop the assault by showing up in the parking lot) would be there at the press conference to confirm her account: "Yes, I saw her lying on the pavement next to Moore's car. Her clothes were askew (she says Moore had tried to pull her shirt off), she had red marks on her neck, and she was shaking with fright. She told me Moore had just sexually assaulted her."

Where is that guy? And where are the parents and/or the siblings she says she told. They could tell us that they saw the bruises on her neck that she says were visible the next day.

And hopefully, they could all explain why they were so terrified of a newly-minted lawyer that they would let him get away with sexually assaulting their teenage girlfriend/daughter/sister, and say nothing about it for 40 years.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at November 13, 2017 06:05 PM (BXf9o)

291

Indiana Sen. Todd Young is calling for Roy Moore, Republican senate candidate in Alabama, to "drop out of the race."

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 13, 2017 06:06 PM (IqV8l)

292 Right now the story is that the GB found out the Seals were skimming funds from an account, they offered to cut him in, he refused, so they killed him.



Unfvckin' believable. There's the Fat Leonard thing, the West Point Cadet Communist, and now this. Omg! What the hell is going on? Pandora's Box really has been opened and things have clustered in the armed Forces.

They murdered him?! This makes me ill. What is happening with our Military? I am so disheartened.

Posted by: Professor chaos or gumdrop gorilla at November 13, 2017 06:06 PM (D3Jo9)

293 Nood

Posted by: rickb223 at November 13, 2017 06:06 PM (TtorR)

294 Anyone else find it hilarious that there is a Saudi Princess Amira Bint Aidan Bin Nayef?

So some bint is a princess in Saudi Arabia?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 13, 2017 06:06 PM (39g3+)

295 289
Apparently Karl Lagerfeld is out.

Posted by: garrett at November 13, 2017 06:05 PM (MzRVw)
Out? As in dead? or gay?

Posted by: IC at November 13, 2017 06:06 PM (a0IVu)

296 Check out my name.

Posted by: Aisha Bin Queefn at November 13, 2017 06:07 PM (89T5c)

297 Posted by: Ignoramus at November 13, 2017 06:04 PM (cAXIk)
I vote the latter.

Posted by: BebeDahl at November 13, 2017 06:07 PM (yNyJy)

298 --BTW, the aforementioned princess is hot:

http://dystopiausa.com/storm-week-5-tempest-hillarys-teapot-dome/

[Gotta scroll down, and her story is disturbing]

Posted by: logprof Doc Halladay for Hall of Fame 2018! at November 13, 2017 06:07 PM (GsAUU)

299 Anybody know what Thad Cochran thinks about the Roy Moore imbroglio?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 13, 2017 06:07 PM (ctuyM)

300 >>I wonder if I am getting a flu. I feel achy and woozy.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo

Just sit down and relax. I'll get you another Bill Cosby special.

Posted by: Sulu at November 13, 2017 06:07 PM (2cuLk)

301 Annnnnd...we have a new Rachel Dolezal on our hands:

http://www.wtsp.com/news/transracial-man-born-white-feels-like-he-is-filipino/491290902

"Ja Du, born a white male named Adam, now considers himself a Filipino. ...

Ja Du is part of a small, but growing community of people who considers themselves transracial. It refers to someone born one race, but identifies with another."

In other words: A sad lunatic.

He's also "transsexual" -- an ugly fat man who grows long hair and calls himself "female."

Hey, ugly fat white man: You are an ugly fat white man. Learn to accept yourself, maybe, instead of broadcasting your pathetic insanity to the universe?

Posted by: zombie at November 13, 2017 06:08 PM (42M22)

302 Nood. I reposted comment #301 over there.

Posted by: zombie at November 13, 2017 06:09 PM (42M22)

303 130
>>>I think you should assume that he is not asking any of these questions in good faith.



Of course, that makes them easier to dismiss. Good idea.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Nostrildamus (No Smoothies) at November 13, 2017 05:30 PM (C38UF)

I know! Right?

::Chuckles::

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at November 13, 2017 06:10 PM (7+qdf)

304 286
#218, how many of those people from 1993 are still in the game or even
alive? That's 24 years ago, and it's likely most of the contents were a
good deal older than that.



Posted by: Winona Ryder



Hard to tell, as it was never revealed whose files were compromised.
I assume the files were selected on the basis of blackmailing in the
future.



"I'll take John Roberts for $1,000, Alex"

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at November 13, 2017 06:10 PM (UsCnO)

305 You know, if Deputy Dawg doesn't have something substantive to say about investigating this shit when he testifies tomorrow...something like:

Mueller and Rosenstein have been fired and their offices and records seized. Comey has been charged with lying to congress. Skankles, Lynch, Holder and Barky are being charged with obstruction of justice and collusion with states who are known enemies. And that's just the beginning.

Well then, I don't really give two shits what that guy has to say. He needs to just STFU and STFD until PDTS can deliver his pink slip.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 13, 2017 06:11 PM (oLTNb)

306 Yeah, where was that? Africa? I mean how much CI money is really needed in a place where 200 bucks a year is a fortune. Those boys had a screw loose and they didn't kill anyone over the stinking money. It was all about the crime. And about not going to jail for skimming a couple of thousand bucks that was going to be wasted anyhow. Sad business. All around.

Posted by: goon at November 13, 2017 06:11 PM (EaQ6/)

307 "Ja Du, born a white male named Adam, now considers himself a Filipino. ...

Ja Du is part of a small, but growing community of people who considers themselves transracial. It refers to someone born one race, but identifies with another."




Lord Humungus, why have you forsaken us.


Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at November 13, 2017 06:12 PM (aMlLZ)

308 299 Anybody know what Thad Cochran thinks about the Roy Moore imbroglio?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 13, 2017 06:07 PM (ctuyM)
IRC Thad regurgitated basically the same McStain talking point on Sunday.

Posted by: BebeDahl at November 13, 2017 06:13 PM (yNyJy)

309 >>Why has no one knocked in the door of Fusion at 4 am and seized all their files and computers?



Th judge is a friend of John Podesta's, with whom he co-taught a Georgetown Law course since 1997?

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y988c5fe

Posted by: Lizzy at November 13, 2017 06:14 PM (W+vEI)

310 Speaking of a creepy Senator, Lawrence O'Donnell has a book out and was being interviewed on radio. The question was asked why the Mendenez trial wasn't covered on his Sunday show. He said they mentioned it before the trial but now President Trump is taking all the oxygen out of the room and there is no time to cover the trial.

Posted by: Skip at November 13, 2017 06:14 PM (aC6Sd)

311 I'm opting to be Klingon.

Posted by: goon at November 13, 2017 06:14 PM (EaQ6/)

312 90
251 If the Moore accused told all these people at the time, is it not odd that we have not heard from any of them?

Posted by: Winona Ryder at November 13, 2017 05:55 PM (n1QPh)

____________________



Yes, you would think the accuser's boyfriend (who she says helped
stop the assault by showing up in the parking lot) would be there at the
press conference to confirm her account: "Yes, I saw her lying on the
pavement next to Moore's car. Her clothes were askew (she says Moore
had tried to pull her shirt off), she had red marks on her neck, and she
was shaking with fright. She told me Moore had just sexually assaulted
her."



Where is that guy? And where are the parents and/or the siblings
she says she told. They could tell us that they saw the bruises on her
neck that she says were visible the next day.



The boyfriend couldn't stick around, he had a heard of Rainbow Unicorns to feed.

But Gloria Allred is investigating, so we can rest assured it will all be solved to McTurtle and McStain's satisfaction.


Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at November 13, 2017 06:14 PM (UsCnO)

313 No one has disavowed Mendenez on the Lolita flights to the Dominican, a lot more recently and more proof to back it up.

Posted by: Skip at November 13, 2017 06:16 PM (aC6Sd)

314 I think we need to elect a leader, a strong man who would then dissolve both the house and senate under emergency powers for a period to be determined; just to get things right. The cool part is that we all get to wear snappy outfits designed by a top fashion house. I mean, what could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: Archer at November 13, 2017 06:17 PM (gbWkA)

315 Cannot believe unsubstantiated claims of alleged events that took place 40 freaking years ago are ruining a man's life. And we had a sitting president get a BJ in the oval office and he is still adored by half the country.
Posted by: IC at November 13, 2017 06:01 PM (a0IVu)


Not to mention Billy Boy did sexually assualt women.

The double standards are stunning, and the fact it doesn't give people pause, and they just accept it all as normal, gives me little hope for logic to return. The mass hysteria since 2016, the Deep State, et.al., all feel like knives in what America was...has been...was supposed to be.

I must, as always, blame the media. They choose not to report honestly, not to give both sides, not to operate with integrity. They are no longer gatekeepers and searchers of truth. They are propagandists intent on damning the country to hell with their flagrant disregard for moral and ethical standards of truth. They are a disgrace.

Posted by: Professor chaos or gumdrop gorilla at November 13, 2017 06:19 PM (D3Jo9)

316 This is awesome stuff Ace ... if I wasn't drinking beer I'd have something insightful to add.

good news -- an old friend ... a lawyer that retired from working for the state (LA), has been kinda feminist Republican Catholic, came out with a FB post about what sites to read ... little boxes showing the "wrong sites". She seems to like David nice crease Brooks, but AP/NPR etc, good box -- FOX Daily Caller, bad box.

Good news ... I've avoided confrontation with her before, but in response came out with a good presentation. Of course the thing is her friends get to chime in, glad to see some on "my side". I kinda feel the tides are turning on many fronts like this. I argued against globalism ... exposed the Russia/Trump thing ... but mostly ... tides may be turning. A big day for me with that bunch I'd almost given up on. She also is currently integral to a big farmer's market in a big city down there ... which has been my more interesting connection.

stay thirsty my friends. we can win this thang.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 13, 2017 06:26 PM (/aIFg)

317 Obviously the only solution is an FBI INVESTIGATION!

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at November 13, 2017 06:32 PM (398bZ)

318 @317 no doubt.

Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at November 13, 2017 06:36 PM (nQHw/)

319 Investigation is done. We found nothing move along.

Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at November 13, 2017 06:38 PM (nQHw/)

320 Bah. A pox on them all.

A painful drawn out disfiguring one or Homer sneezes and wipes out the dinosaurs quickie? Decisions, decisions.

Looky - 2 houses = 2 poxes.


Posted by: DaveA at November 13, 2017 07:21 PM (FhXTo)

321 Refuse to answer? WTF is Sleepy Sessions doing? Fucking subpoena the FBI investigation team responsible and throw them in jail for contempt!

They have to have something on Sessions!

Posted by: Concerned Peoples Front, Meeting Chapter at November 13, 2017 07:27 PM (2X7pN)

322 "Oddly, the FBI refuses to tell the public the truth on this point. They
just refuse to answer. Like law enforcement agencies accountable to the
public are supposed to refuse."

"their silence is deafening" is the rejoinder when civilians don't respond

when those accountable by law disobey law in the form or refusal --
their silence is ... an answer ... tantamount to guilt. They have no response that won't convict them and/or their co-conspirators.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 13, 2017 08:04 PM (/aIFg)

323 Hitlery cuntoon brought up muh Russia in a debate with the god emporor

Posted by: James at November 13, 2017 08:25 PM (jxw6R)

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