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Star Trek: The Motion Picture: A Defense

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The Motionless Picture is a pejorative people have used against the first Star Trek movie since its release. This has to do with the fact that the movie has very little plot and takes a long time to get there.

There's a reason for that. The Motion Picture actually started life as a script for the aborted attempt to bring Star Trek back to television called Phase II. It was supposed to be a single episode in length, but when the opportunity arose to turn it into a movie, Gene Roddenberry never really fleshed out the script in a conventional way.

You see, Gene Roddenberry was never a very good writer (one writer from The Original Series said that there was no script that Roddenberry ever touched that he didn't make worse), but he did provide two unfiltered versions of his vision of the future in Star Trek. The first was the original pilot to the television show, "The Cage", while The Motion Picture was the second. "The Cage" also happens to be my favorite hour of Star Trek because I am under the impression that science fiction should be weird, and that episode does capture that feeling while also telling a cogent story at the same time.

I feel much the same way with The Motion Picture. It's not a great movie (for all of my defense, I am happy to acknowledge the film's flaws), but I do think that there is genius to it.
The Unknown


That flyby of the Enterprise takes about 5 minutes of screen time. For many people that feels like 5 minutes where nothing is happening. "Yes, we see the ship, can we move on, please?" But what are the visuals telling you? The way the Enterprise is shot is to convey a sense of scale. The humans are small in comparison to the great ship, and the triumphant music is meant to underline that fact. What we're being told is that the Enterprise represents a crowning jewel of humanity's engineering abilities. It's big, it's impressive, and it's spectacular. Maybe the film could have conveyed that, still visually, in less time, but still, the effect is there. In fact, that was pretty much what the shooting script says it should be:

The great ship dwarfs everything. The drydock becomes a fragile filigree framing the ship's great curved bulk. The tiny pod continues to move along it.

The second half to this visual puzzle comes in the below clip. But before we get to that, look at this image:

The Enterprise is framed with the space cloud so that they are of similar size. The cloud is bigger, but not enormously bigger. We know that they aren’t the same size, but we’re told visually that they’re comparable. And then the Enterprise actually moves closer to the cloud. Below is part of the Enterprise’s journey into the giant space cloud. While the idea seems silly when phrased that way, it should seem much less silly as this sequence progresses.

Obviously, it's more than a space cloud, but it's also more than just giant, it's immense. The scale of this alien thing is so much larger than anything we can imagine creating (there's a line of dialogue earlier in the film that describes the size of the cloud as 2 AU, which is roughly the size of Earth's orbit around the sun). This is where the previous sequence comes into play. We'd been told, visually, that the Enterprise is one of the great feats of human engineering, and as the ship flies further and further into V'ger, it becomes more and more obvious how small our great feat is in comparison. The below shot is perhaps my favorite in any piece of filmed Star Trek.

Do you see how small that great feat of human engineering is in comparison? It's puny. If it came down to a shooting match between the Enterprise and the giant space cloud, would the Enterprise stand of chance of annoying the cloud as much as a mosquito annoys a grown man?

This impression is also explicit in the shooting script:

CAMERA TRAVELING WITH ENTERPRISE as it moves on a parallel--closing course -- Alien continues to GROW IN SIZE. Although it already seems an impossibly large vessel compared to the Enterprise, in reality they are still tens of thousands of kilometers apart; the incredible size of the Alien is nowhere near being realized yet.

The fact that that impression and theme is played out completely visually is impressive. That is why I think the movie is a work of genius.
Though…not great
The Motion Picture was made in the wake of the success of Star Wars and Roddenberry took his rather large amount of control of the project that Paramount allowed him to push the first Star Trek movie in as far of the opposite direction as he possibly could. Where Lucas provided popcorn entertainment in space, Roddenberry wanted to provoke thought like Kubrick did in 2001. Where people think he failed, I think it's because it’s a big budget studio movie that doesn't really have an antagonist. The conflict is more nebulous than something like some of the classic Original Series episodes provided. "Space Seed" had Khan. "Balance of Terror" had the Romulan commander. Even "Arena" had the Gorn while dealing with similar themes as The Motion Picture. The movie has a space cloud that possesses a young bald woman. It’s not quite as viscerally satisfying as Kirk pounding a rock over the head of a rubber suited stuntman.



Still, I love the heady quality, and how it's done mostly wordlessly (there is dialogue demonstrating the character's awe at the size, but it pales to the impression the visuals give themselves). Combine that with one of Jerry Goldsmith's best musical scores, and you have a movie going experience that I find very engrossing, if a healthy couple of steps from great. With over 700 hours of Star Trek, it's hard to say what Star Trek is. It’s taken on so many forms over the years that to say that it's a Western in space seems facile and ignorant of most of Star Trek. It's not really one thing, so I'm happy to have one iteration where it's 2001's less intelligent younger brother.

Part of me wishes that the movie series had continued in this vein: throwing millions of dollars at the screen to be heady and weird. But then we got Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan which is one of those movies that I have a hard time calling anything other than perfect. I'm happy with what we ended up with afterwards, but still, I wonder how Star Trek would have manifested in the movie theaters had The Motion Picture been more accepted by audiences and critics. We would have probably avoided Star Trek: Insurrection, at least.
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1 Love use guys

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 11, 2017 06:44 PM (bmkS9)

2 Evening all.

Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels at November 11, 2017 06:45 PM (CNHr1)

3 Hmmm nice and roomy!

Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels at November 11, 2017 06:46 PM (CNHr1)

4 Saw Star Trek at the Plano Drive In about 100 BC..Took wife (then girlfriend) and sister (gone from this world) and sisters friends. Drank beer from ice chest and watch movie. More fun than Pismo Beach!

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 11, 2017 06:47 PM (bmkS9)

5 MOOOOvies!

Posted by: Insomniac at November 11, 2017 06:48 PM (NWiLs)

6 I did not like the first Star Trek movie. My favorite one is Star Trek IV where they go back in time to get a whale. Then Khan.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 11, 2017 06:48 PM (mpXpK)

7 I liked the first ST movie. Had it on laserdisk.

Posted by: freaked at November 11, 2017 06:49 PM (UdKB7)

8 Three to beam up, Mr. Scott.

Very funny.

Beam up our clothes now.


Does the Star Trek universe have cheerleading nurses?

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 11, 2017 06:50 PM (hyuyC)

9 Freaked, are those the ones that look like an album? I have a shit ton of those and the player.

Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels at November 11, 2017 06:50 PM (CNHr1)

10 So this Murder film? Crap or not? Kingsman second round was just cursing (and I love to cuss).
Just the way that her hair fell down around her face.
love me some Mark K.

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 11, 2017 06:50 PM (bmkS9)

11 'My favorite one is Star Trek IV where they go back in time to get a whale'

That was movie was so dumb. I thought it was going to be the end of Star Trek.

Posted by: freaked at November 11, 2017 06:51 PM (UdKB7)

12 11 'My favorite one is Star Trek IV where they go back in time to get a whale'

That was movie was so dumb. I thought it was going to be the end of Star Trek.
Posted by: freaked at November 11, 2017 06:51 PM (UdKB7)
And the hair on those bitches!

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 11, 2017 06:52 PM (bmkS9)

13 11 'My favorite one is Star Trek IV where they go back in time to get a whale'

That was movie was so dumb. I thought it was going to be the end of Star Trek.
Posted by: freaked at November 11, 2017 06:51 PM (UdKB7)

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Until the reboot, it was the most financially successful of the movies.

People love it. It's easy to love.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 11, 2017 06:52 PM (Jj43a)

14 In my opinion shatner should have won an academy award for the wrath of khan.

Posted by: Kreplach at November 11, 2017 06:52 PM (Wtll+)

15 TMP will always be a movie that almost hit the perfect mark. To quote Kirk from a later movie, "one little mistake."

True the nebulous, I think it measured at 92 AU, V'GER did not present much of a visceral threat. Even after de-resing three D-7 Klingon battlecruisers.

One thing you should observe in this movie is how Deckard and Ilia are playing their roles. Look at their expressions and eyes.

The movie could have still used a bit of trimming because much like Titan AE a lot of the panning imagery was pure gloating over "Hey we have a budget and can do this!"

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 06:52 PM (/weDQ)

16 'Freaked, are those the ones that look like an album? I have a shit ton of those and the player.'

Yea. I had a bunch of them. I still have one hanging on the wall of the shop to show kids what we watched back in the stone age.

Posted by: freaked at November 11, 2017 06:53 PM (UdKB7)

17 15
The movie could have still used a bit of trimming because much like Titan AE a lot of the panning imagery was pure gloating over "Hey we have a budget and can do this!"
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 06:52 PM (/weDQ)

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Personally, if Douglas Trumball have me a bunch of footage, I'd be wary of cutting any of it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 11, 2017 06:54 PM (Jj43a)

18 Star Trek IV

Loved the movie, and really enjoyed the Security Alert from the Navy crew.

Say no to Russian accents looking for nuclear wessels on USN CVNs!

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 11, 2017 06:54 PM (hyuyC)

19 I still defend TMP, for a number of reasons.

Firstly, I think it is the last instance of 'genuine' Star Trek. With Wrath of Kahn, some small changes began to be made, primarily in the character of Kirk who slowly transformed much more into William Shatner.

Additionally, the primary problem with the movie is the editing. It really calls for a 'fan edit' that can cut down or break up the over-long effects sequences.

I remember when the movie first ran on ABC-- I was at a friend's house and we were taping it for me-- the movie would come back from commercial, begin the effects sequence, that would run until the NEXT COMMERCIAL BREAK.

If these effects sequences could be broken up (like with the scene of Decker and Ilia on the rec deck), then cut back to, it would actually increase the sense of scale that they were supposed to be building in the first place without turning it into 10 minutes where nothing happens.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 11, 2017 06:55 PM (oVJmc)

20 Shatner had two gears.

Overly melodramatic.

Eat the scenery

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 11, 2017 06:55 PM (pV/54)

21 1 minute after the thread is posted and there are over 20 comments?
Is that a record?

Posted by: ALH at November 11, 2017 06:55 PM (v/pT6)

22 20 Shatner had two gears.

Overly melodramatic.

Eat the scenery
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 11, 2017 06:55 PM (pV/54)

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Which was "Khan!!!!"?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 11, 2017 06:56 PM (Jj43a)

23 The best Star Drek episodes were when Capt. Kirk had to match wits with a Cling-on commander or a Romney-lan procounsel and all the while Spock would get an erection and Dr.McCoy would have to come up with some type of new and untested drug to alleviate it before Spock's 4 hours were up and he turned into a Harvey Weinstein type out for rape and plunder.

Just as the pitched battle would reach it's climax, the good Doctor would need power that was desperately needed for the shields and Mr. Sulu would have to visit a local rest stop on the Santa Monica freeway to free some up so the enemy ship would be destroyed.

The Corbomite Maneuver comes to mind. Or at least a reach around.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 11, 2017 06:56 PM (nUkMr)

24 Did Mr. Sulu Cosby the space cloud before the Enterprise entered it?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at November 11, 2017 06:57 PM (Nwg0u)

25 Worst Star Trek uniforms ever.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has drink taken at November 11, 2017 06:57 PM (60v4h)

26 Yea. I had a bunch of them. I still have one hanging on the wall of the shop to show kids what we watched back in the stone age.

Posted by: freaked at November 11, 2017 06:53 PM (UdKB7)


"We" who?

Only like 24 people ever bought laser disc players. The laser disc was a total flop from the very start. No one was interested in them, really.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 11, 2017 06:58 PM (8gDQu)

27 Shatner at poolside
OOooooh, my wife is dead
Ooooooh, must find new wife

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 11, 2017 06:58 PM (bmkS9)

28 26
Only like 24 people ever bought laser disc players. The laser disc was a total flop from the very start. No one was interested in them, really.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 11, 2017 06:58 PM (8gDQu)

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Except people who saw the quality of the VHS and said, "Dear Lord, no."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 11, 2017 06:59 PM (Jj43a)

29 ST IV was funny, intentionally, I think.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at November 11, 2017 06:59 PM (PUmDY)

30 I saw it on a first date, my freshman year, extreme short-term relationship, probably because I didn't put out.

And that's the only thing I remember about that movie.

Posted by: Shopgirl: Congrats Alex Gordon, Wilson Defensive PoY at November 11, 2017 06:59 PM (IpsQV)

31 KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN...

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at November 11, 2017 06:59 PM (e9G8E)

32
the Star Trek movie -- the best cure for insomnia there is.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 11, 2017 07:00 PM (AO6Ao)

33 Wasn't this movie just a longform version of The Changeling?

Posted by: Grump928(C) has drink taken at November 11, 2017 07:00 PM (60v4h)

34 Kirk, Creator ...

Posted by: Grump928(C) has drink taken at November 11, 2017 07:00 PM (60v4h)

35 Only like 24 people ever bought laser disc players. The laser disc was a total flop from the very start. No one was interested in them, really.

lol.. my step was one of them. He had probably 30 laser discs. Watched them all the time. I inherited everything when he passed away. Wonder if the player still works?

Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels at November 11, 2017 07:01 PM (CNHr1)

36 22 20 Shatner had two gears.

Overly melodramatic.

Eat the scenery
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 11, 2017 06:55 PM (pV/54)

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Which was "Khan!!!!"?



And the late great Ricardo Montalban. It was a competition of who could chew the scenery up the most. It was fun!

Posted by: Puddleglum at November 11, 2017 07:01 PM (Mgwpr)

37 *step dad

Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels at November 11, 2017 07:01 PM (CNHr1)

38 Except people who saw the quality of the VHS and said, "Dear Lord, no."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 11, 2017 06:59 PM (Jj43a)


VHS was shit ... sure. But betamax was better than VHS and that got beaten fair and square in the marketplace.

And you have to recall that they TVs these were playing weren't all that great, and generally weren't very big, either.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 11, 2017 07:01 PM (8gDQu)

39
Wanna fall asleep?

Put the DVD of the cartoon movie Land Before Time in and you'll be out like a light in 5 minutes. Same with Star Trek movie.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 11, 2017 07:01 PM (AO6Ao)

40 "We" who?

Me and my stoneaged friends.

My first laser disk player was given to me as part of some training program and we got to keep it. A few years later someone gave me another one.

Posted by: freaked at November 11, 2017 07:02 PM (UdKB7)

41 What needed to be fleshed out in TMP was the bald chick. She was supposed to be some hyper-sexual alien babe who even Sulu got worked up over, but nothing was really explained or anything.

Posted by: davidt at November 11, 2017 07:02 PM (cGz5Q)

42 Saw the very first Star Trek movie the first day release, never got into the movies much but use to watch the series regularly

Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2017 07:02 PM (aC6Sd)

43 Apologies for going OT, but Salty - I just sent you an email about that book I previously mentioned. Not sure how often you check your "Salty" email so I wanted to make you aware.

As you were!

Posted by: bluebell at November 11, 2017 07:02 PM (UoSKV)

44 Asked Alexa to play next song got Walk of Life

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 11, 2017 07:03 PM (bmkS9)

45 Alabama has to play a hard hitting State on the road and down 4 LBs.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has drink taken at November 11, 2017 07:04 PM (60v4h)

46 In my other web year ( comment #) and movie I used Star Trek, there is a website link I used on how much it would cost.

Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2017 07:05 PM (aC6Sd)

47 That is the problem with TMP, the gorgeous effect shots are so long an already slow moving movie becomes glacial. An editor or director or someone with authority should not be afraid to reign in the effects people. cfArthur C. Clarke looking at the Ares control panel in 2001 and saying it looked like a Chinese menu because it was a confusing mess.

One problem with the script fixed early could have made things a bit different drama wise. What if Kirk had said, "Star Fleet feels since the Enterprise is the most advanced ship that she should meet this intruder." Instead we get Kirk saying the she is the only ship in intercept range. Wouldn't that change things a bit and also removes how stupid that sounds. Seriously only one starship is protecting Earth?

At least in IV we see the probe disabling Saratoga and Yorktown, casually batting out of the way pesky nuisances. Adds a bit of drama.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 07:05 PM (/weDQ)

48 Also, I spent a while reading background information about the production of TMP at Memory Alpha and there is a LOT of background politics and scheming that went into fucking up the production process. Not all Roddenberry's fault (in fact he was on some of the problems when the people who should have been watching them weren't), but execs like Michael Eisner were more than happy to shift the blame onto him to get control of the franchise away from him.

(And I'm not a Roddenberry fanboy.)

http://tinyurl.com/y7p2nv87

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 11, 2017 07:05 PM (oVJmc)

49 Shatner had two gears.

Overly melodramatic.

Eat the scenery

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One might suggest that the Shat is not the most subtle of actors but he had three hit series: Star Trek, Hooker, and Boston Legal. How many actors can say that?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at November 11, 2017 07:05 PM (Nwg0u)

50 I saw the first Star Trek movie with a family gang at a big theatre days of its opening. It was a bust.

Were it not for bringing back Kahn the franchise would have died,

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 11, 2017 07:05 PM (pV/54)

51 If you want to see a decent version of ST:TMP, get the "Director's Cut". Director Robert Wise never did like how the movie initially came out, and several years later was allowed to re-edit the movie, as well as make changes to some of the special effects shots (although no changes were made that were not technically possible at the time the movie was originally filmed, even though CGI had advanced by leaps and bounds by the time the movie was reworked). I bought it on DVD several years age and was quite impressed with the improvements Wise made, not only visually but in how the story was told. The story moved faster, he cleaned up some of the more egregious script bloopers (like the "82 AUs" thing) and generally made a mediocre movie much better.

Posted by: The Oort Cloud - Source of all SMODs at November 11, 2017 07:05 PM (Or7KF)

52 I have a still functioning laser disc player the only thing that no longer works is the mechanism that flips the laser to the bottom side.

Most cherished laserdisc is Watership Down and supermam the movie.

Posted by: Kreplach at November 11, 2017 07:05 PM (Wtll+)

53 Wrath of Khan and Undiscovered Country were the best ST:TOS movies IMHO. Star Trek IV was total garbage, as we the one with Spock's brother was also garbage.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 11, 2017 07:07 PM (NWiLs)

54 I would ask Alexa to get me a million dollars

Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2017 07:07 PM (aC6Sd)

55 All I remember from that movie is Decker's pecker outlined through his outfit, not that I look for things like that. Difficult to not see.

Posted by: Javems at November 11, 2017 07:07 PM (yOqwj)

56 *as was the*

Posted by: Insomniac at November 11, 2017 07:07 PM (NWiLs)

57 The worst ST was V, The Undiscovered Country.


And I have one of those Laser Disk players and a bunch of movies for it. There is one movie I have on laser disk that I have been trying to get on Blue Ray but can not find it. The name is Tall Tale you can get it on a DVD but it is only available in a full screen format.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 11, 2017 07:08 PM (mpXpK)

58 Going to watch "No Time For Sergeants."

Posted by: Traveling Man at November 11, 2017 07:08 PM (R5lpX)

59 Ah, screw it. Can't type today.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 11, 2017 07:08 PM (NWiLs)

60 Don't be dissing the laser-disc player. I still have one, a Pioneer DVL-919. Which means I can watch the Criterion Collection edition of 2001: A Space Odyssey on six platters... *thud*

Which explains why I also have that movie on Blu-Ray.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 07:08 PM (/weDQ)

61 Took me four tries over a decade to make it all the way through "2001" in a single sitting; fell asleep sometime during each of the first three attempts.

Posted by: ShainS at November 11, 2017 07:08 PM (BiLU+)

62 Okay, not Star Trek, but I rewatched Coal Miner's Daughter last week. It's truly a fine, well acted film although a bit thin on the ending. Sissy Spasek, Tommy Lee Jones and Levon Helm are perfect.

As for sci-fi series, I like Babylon Five. There is one episode where two mechanics are the leads. You get to see the principles through their eyes. I can't imagine Star Trek doing something like that.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 11, 2017 07:10 PM (Lqy/e)

63
Only like 24 people ever bought laser disc players. The laser disc was a total flop from the very start. No one was interested in them, really.


You're thinking of videodisc (81-86).

Laserdisc ran from the 1970s to ~2003. It was the high-end system for that entire time.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 11, 2017 07:11 PM (oVJmc)

64 Took me four tries over a decade to make it all the way through "2001" in a single sitting; fell asleep sometime during each of the first three attempts.

Posted by: ShainS at November 11, 2017 07:08 PM (BiLU+)


My advice to you, Shain, is to not even think about trying to watch 2010

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 11, 2017 07:11 PM (8gDQu)

65 One of the deleted TMP scenes is of Sulu and Ilia on the bridge. And Sulu being a horn dog klutz trying to be helpful. Probably one of his best bits of acting and it was cut.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 07:12 PM (/weDQ)

66
remember the MINI DISC?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 11, 2017 07:12 PM (AO6Ao)

67 The worst ST was V, The Undiscovered Country.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 11, 2017 07:08 PM (mpXpK)


The Undiscovered Country was VI, and it was good. V might be the only one I've never seen.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 11, 2017 07:12 PM (y87Qq)

68 Movies and tv are not as good as back in the 50's-60's. Why? Because today they have to put superfluous crap in them. Nobody can tell a good story today without mixing in some ghey, minority, anti-GOD, and etc.

Posted by: Eromero at November 11, 2017 07:13 PM (zLDYs)

69 People love it. It's easy to love.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 11, 2017 06:52 PM (Jj43a)

If u like cheesy and schmaltzy...

Posted by: runner at November 11, 2017 07:13 PM (xhFdV)

70 64 My advice to you, Shain, is to not even think about trying to watch 2010
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 11, 2017 07:11 PM (8gDQu)

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Based on what I've seen, people who find 2001 boring tend to like 2010 quite a bit. It's a much more typical sci-fi story. A lot easier to digest for most people.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 11, 2017 07:13 PM (Jj43a)

71 Speaking of Kubrick (from "2001) and Malcolm McDowell (from "A Clockwork Orange" which I despised), one of the most memorable scenes for me in the Star Trek movie canon was the crash of the saucer section into the woods during "Star Trek: Generations."

Posted by: ShainS at November 11, 2017 07:14 PM (BiLU+)

72 I know I saw the first Star Trek movie. I probably saw II and III, but I don't remember anything about them. IV was a blast. It was very funny.

Posted by: rickl at November 11, 2017 07:14 PM (sdi6R)

73
Shatner is a god.

See that old Night Court episode where Bull got a toupee, the Shatner Turbo 2000. See Shatner in his TJ Hooker days. That's the Shatner Turbo 2000.

Burt Reynolds said it was The Shat who hooked him up with the best toupee man in Hollywood or something, but added that if he had to do it all over again, he forget the rug and just go au naturale.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at November 11, 2017 07:14 PM (8O3HH)

74 just watched Thor Ragnarok
it was ok

Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at November 11, 2017 07:15 PM (hMwEB)

75 Best time for movies was the 70s. Good music too.

We've been in a golden era for TV. A lot of the best talent has moved there and away from movies.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 11, 2017 07:15 PM (pV/54)

76 I have a still functioning laser disc player the only thing that no longer works is the mechanism that flips the laser to the bottom side.

I have four from thrift stores. All four work, though one, built in 1990, is a little sticky on the tray mechanism.

Still, almost thirty years old and working fine is nothing to sneeze at.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 11, 2017 07:15 PM (oVJmc)

77 Back in the late '70's I was visiting my sister in CA. She worked at Paramount studios and one Sunday took me on a tour. In one of the buildings there was this kind of odd scifi set. White corridors with doors that slid open if you pulled a cord.

Realized later that it was one of the sets for the new Star Trek movie. Pretty cool.

Posted by: HH at November 11, 2017 07:15 PM (mIJBI)

78 "Took me four tries over a decade to make it all the way through
"2001" in a single sitting; fell asleep sometime during each of the
first three attempts"

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It had to be seen in an theater - at the time it came out. It was ground breaking.

Posted by: Javems at November 11, 2017 07:15 PM (yOqwj)

79 Star Trek V: The Final Frontier could have been saved maybe.

Uhura doing a fan dance, why did they even think of doing that?

But at the end if Kirk and the others had had a little discussion about maybe this 'god of Sha-ka-re' had perhaps been a being like Trelaine banished then it could have ended on a better note than it did.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 07:15 PM (/weDQ)

80 Star trek tmp has become a favorite movie of mine. i thought it was just ok when it came out, but nice. the story (an adaptation of a tv show plot) is brilliant. it does what science fiction does best, making the fantastic plausible.

the worst criticism is that it drags. i see that now as a nod to kubrick (whose creation of a different sense of time in movies is perhaps his greatest accomplishment). but i disagree with the attribution of this to roddenberry. i give the credit (or blame) to the director robert wise.

you don't even mention wise! maybe i'm wrong, but this great pro who triumphed in every genre was in command of this movie, not roddenberry. i believe he was influenced by kubrick here, not roddenberry. do you think roddenberry told him to make something like "2001"? i don't know but i don't think so.

I've grown to really like the slow pace. maybe it';s because i'm getting old.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at November 11, 2017 07:16 PM (AxFdW)

81 Pacing like TMP is almost extinct, and I'm not saying that's all bad, but I'm not sure "fixing" the pacing would actually help that much.

It wasn't an accident, it was deliberate, and part of the structure. You're replacing the foundation of the building.

I doubt a movie of this type (popular audience) would be made this way today, at the very least it would be paced much faster.

I mean, go back and look at Miami Vice episodes. Even the 2006 movie has a lot more scene stillness than what you'd expect for a recent movie.

Star Wars has always done sense of scale very well, TMP may have been the best of that of the ST or at least big screen ST (the latest had a couple of big scale scenes but it was hard to appreciate them for what they were because of the pacing).

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 11, 2017 07:17 PM (wB8Tg)

82 Great scene from The Best Years of Our Lives.

Posted by: logprof Doc Halladay for Hall of Fame 2018! at November 11, 2017 07:17 PM (GsAUU)

83 Jim Beam spokes babe sends PP donations in VP Prince's name, she mentioned it on a talk show. First I saw the commercial

Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2017 07:17 PM (aC6Sd)

84 Still, almost thirty years old and working fine is nothing to sneeze at.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 11, 2017 07:15 PM (oVJmc)
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You realize you just described me, and every other Hordeling.

Posted by: bluebell at November 11, 2017 07:17 PM (UoSKV)

85 I liked 2001:SO until the WTF ending. Then, I never read the book so I probably missed something. I liked 2010. I admit to being a fanboy of the late great Roy Scheider.

Posted by: Puddleglum at November 11, 2017 07:18 PM (Mgwpr)

86 67 The Undiscovered Country was VI, and it was good. V might be the only one I've never seen.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 11, 2017 07:12 PM (y87Qq)


You're right V was The Final Frontier, VI was still bad but V was worse.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 11, 2017 07:18 PM (mpXpK)

87 I just checked and the laser disc hanging on the wall of my shop is "The Last Remake Of Beau Geste". That sucker will be priceless someday.

Posted by: freaked at November 11, 2017 07:18 PM (UdKB7)

88 Generations was *scottish brogue* crrrrap

Posted by: runner at November 11, 2017 07:18 PM (xhFdV)

89 You see, Gene Roddenberry was never a very good writer

There are some episodes of "Gunsmoke" and "Have Gun Will Travel" that say otherwise. He wasn't stellar (heh), but he was good for the time.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at November 11, 2017 07:18 PM (fVubI)

90 79 Star Trek V: The Final Frontier could have been saved maybe.

Uhura doing a fan dance, why did they even think of doing that?

But at the end if Kirk and the others had had a little discussion about maybe this 'god of Sha-ka-re' had perhaps been a being like Trelaine banished then it could have ended on a better note than it did.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 07:15 PM (/weDQ)

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I love small bits of V.

The Galaxy growing larger in the observation deck. The very opening scene.

A professor of mine hosted Leonard Nimoy while he was in college and asked Nimoy what V was going to be like (this happening right before the movie's release). Nimoy leaned back, laughing, and said, "It's Bill."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 11, 2017 07:19 PM (Jj43a)

91 Runner re: IV... Well bless your heart. Double dumb ass on you!

Thematically after all the death and angst of the two preceding movies, some fun had to be injected. And IV still told a good dramatic story while serving up some humor.

"Break it up! You look like a cadet review."

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 07:19 PM (/weDQ)

92 BIL had book on the Star Trek series, the tubes they craw through to fix stuff all the time occasionally had GNDN labels, they stood for Goes Nowhere Does Nothing so actors wouldn't use the dead ends

Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2017 07:20 PM (aC6Sd)

93 It had to be seen in an theater - at the time it came out. It was ground breaking.

Posted by: Javems at November 11, 2017 07:15 PM (yOqwj)

Agreed. It was a super wide format and from the "seams" in the picture it looked like it took 3 projectors to show it. You literally had to turn your head to see the entire width.

There is a scene in the ape section where a leopard ambushes an ape which caused a real startle since the leopard was way over on the side of the screen.

Posted by: Duke of Righteous WTF? at November 11, 2017 07:21 PM (T71PA)

94 I remember reading about laserdiscs in the 70s, and they sounded very futuristic. I never bought any, though.

It wasn't until the late 80s that I finally broke down and bought a CD player. It was when albums started being released with bonus tracks that were only on the CD and not on the LP that I finally threw in the towel.

Posted by: rickl at November 11, 2017 07:21 PM (sdi6R)

95 Jim Beam spokes babe sends PP donations in VP Prince's name, she mentioned it on a talk show. First I saw the commercial

Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2017 07:17 PM (aC6Sd)

Mila Kunis and I believe she lost that sponsor because of it.

Posted by: Traveling Man at November 11, 2017 07:22 PM (R5lpX)

96 Thematically after all the death and angst of the two preceding movies, some fun had to be injected. And IV still told a good dramatic story while serving up some humor.

"Break it up! You look like a cadet review."
Posted by: Anna Puma (

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Dude! dumbass was Spock embracing killer whale under water....

Posted by: runner at November 11, 2017 07:22 PM (xhFdV)

97 Some fellows react badly to a flank attack by photon torpedo, or so I've learned.

Oh my.

Posted by: George Takei at November 11, 2017 07:22 PM (+0jcH)

98
The first movie was boring. And Sulu grabbing all the guy's junk was just too bizarre.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 11, 2017 07:23 PM (SiINZ)

99 36
22 20 Shatner had two gears.


Overly melodramatic.


Eat the scenery

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 11, 2017 06:55 PM (pV/54)


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Which was "Khan!!!!"?


And the late great Ricardo Montalban. It was a competition of who could chew the scenery up the most. It was fun!

Posted by: Puddleglum


For God's sake, the man overacts in Priceline commercials. He was relatively subdued in "Judgement at Nuremburg", but other than that, the scenery always ends up well masticated.

Posted by: pep at November 11, 2017 07:23 PM (LAe3v)

100 And, yes, worst uniforms ever.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 11, 2017 07:23 PM (oVJmc)

101 "after all the death and angst of the two preceding movies, some fun had to be injected."

So it's The Trouble With Tribbles of the Trek movies.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 11, 2017 07:23 PM (pV/54)

102 So they put the movie on trial and one brave man stepped forward to put on a defense.
It may not result in an acquittal, but there is no danger of the death penalty.
I give TJM four grudging respects. Atticus Finch only got two.

I did see the movie in its original theatre release and was mostly impressed by the D7 cruisers. Ran out of popcorn for the slow parts. Back when a second mortgage was not needed for a large popcorn.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at November 11, 2017 07:24 PM (e1mEI)

103 Uniforms... experimental, not awful... not as bad as what's going on Discovery with the Klingons...

Posted by: runner at November 11, 2017 07:25 PM (xhFdV)

104 100
And, yes, worst uniforms ever.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles


Kind of the 70s version of a uniform. Nobody looked good in them.

Posted by: pep at November 11, 2017 07:26 PM (LAe3v)

105 78----It had to be seen in an theater - at the time it came out. It was ground breaking.

Posted by: Javems at November 11, 2017 07:15 PM
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Yep. There are movies that work just fine on the small screen and those that really, really need the yuuuuuge screen in a darkened room for the proper effect.

If I were rich, I would buy an old-time theater and show nothing but old movies that need the big presentation.

(This occurred to me few weeks ago when I was watching Dr. Zhivago.)

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 11, 2017 07:26 PM (0jtPF)

106 More like Assignment Earth. Roberta Lincoln finding out her boss Gary Seven is really an alien with super technology. And they have to stop an atomic bomb. Plus Isis isn't really a cat.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 07:27 PM (/weDQ)

107
Kind of the 70s version of a uniform. Nobody looked good in them.


Earth-tone footie pajamas.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 11, 2017 07:27 PM (oVJmc)

108 88 Generations was *scottish brogue* crrrrap

Posted by: runner at November 11, 2017 07:18 PM (xhFdV)

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Agreed, quite a letdown. I'd had high expectations having enjoyed TNG series ...

Posted by: ShainS at November 11, 2017 07:27 PM (BiLU+)

109 I loved the soundtrack. I used to crank it up to the point that the bass note borrrng sound that was part of the entering the cloud sequence would vibrate my crappy turntable into feedback. Grand music that really added to the visuals.

Posted by: Western Slope Mope at November 11, 2017 07:27 PM (WrMht)

110 101
So it's The Trouble With Tribbles of the Trek movies.
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 11, 2017 07:23 PM (pV/54)


Yeah, pretty much.

Posted by: rickl at November 11, 2017 07:28 PM (sdi6R)

111 I was supposed to get a laserdisk player three times, but the giver/seller flaked all three times.

Kind of not worth it now. Well, kind of very not worth it.

Don't even have a TV now.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 11, 2017 07:28 PM (wB8Tg)

112
If I were rich, I would buy an old-time theater and show nothing but old movies that need the big presentation.

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Nice idea; tons of them before mega dining-movie watching extravaganza took over

Posted by: runner at November 11, 2017 07:28 PM (xhFdV)

113 I will always love the first 15 minutes of this film. It was chock full of something I haven't seen much of lately: Optimism.

More than that, a sort of American optimism. The 'endless' effects shots of the listening post and Starfleet Command (still being expanded!) where you can see people just working in space, for some reason that really really just strikes a chord in me, and with all the nihilistic crap that gets put out these days, seems so refreshing.

Posted by: Mordineus at November 11, 2017 07:28 PM (cYvz+)

114 The extra long intro of the Enterprise was fine, it was a love note to the ship and a kind gesture to the fans to see it once more in the most impressive and awesome vision of it to date when the film came out. It looks huge and amazing and most importantly, it looks... real. Plus, it looks like how Kirk sees her. That was acceptable and even welcome.

But some of the other segments, the over-long view of the cloud, the exceptionally over long trip of Spock into the belly of V'Ger that had a 2001 feel to it... that wasn't so welcome. Clipping those back would not hurt the movie at all.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 11, 2017 07:28 PM (39g3+)

115 TD State. MSU draws first blood.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has drink taken at November 11, 2017 07:30 PM (60v4h)

116 Yep. There are movies that work just fine on the small screen and those that really, really need the yuuuuuge screen in a darkened room for the proper effect.

If I were rich, I would buy an old-time theater and show nothing but old movies that need the big presentation.

(This occurred to me few weeks ago when I was watching Dr. Zhivago.)

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 11, 2017 07:26 PM (0jtPF)

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Had never seen "Lawrence Of Arabia" before movie to Northern CA Bay Area in '89. They were showing it on a very big screen down in San Jose and everybody was saying "You HAVE GOT to see THAT MOVIE on a big screen."

And man, were they right ... unforgettable experience.

Posted by: ShainS at November 11, 2017 07:31 PM (BiLU+)

117 Generations was *scottish brogue* crrrrap

Posted by: runner at November 11, 2017 07:18 PM (xhFdV)

I don't know. I kind of like it (much better than V). I particularly like when they're in the Nexus, Kirk is splitting fire wood. I would bet money that Shatner asked for that scene. It looked like he knew how to do it. He let the ax do the work. He was obviously proud of himself.

Posted by: Duke of Righteous WTF? at November 11, 2017 07:31 PM (T71PA)

118 ... robert wise. editor of citizen kane. director of:

the sound of music
the day the earth stood still
the desert rats
blood on the moon
west side story
run silent run deep
executive suite
the haunting
the sand pebbles
the andromeda strain
star!
i want to live!

what range! more than about any director. i really think when he got the star trek project he thought of "2001" and took it in that direction of a naturalism in response to star wars, perhaps. he was probably told to make the enterprise a feature of the movie because the studio wanted to draw in the fans. the long sequence where he dotes oh=n the ship is too much. that could be cut. otherwise a really good flick.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at November 11, 2017 07:32 PM (AxFdW)

119 I thought the first movie was quite good, and each time I see it, I appreciate it better. Its the film that most perfectly captures the persona and feel of each of the characters. Its a sort of affectionate familiarity that none of the other films quite captures as well again. As each character is introduced, they are shown to very great effect.

I really didn't like bald girl the first time I saw the film at age 13 but later, I do like her, a lot. I also like the new captain better; he's quite capable and interesting if a bit too pretty and self aware.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 11, 2017 07:32 PM (39g3+)

120 The death of Kirk was right in Generations.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has drink taken at November 11, 2017 07:32 PM (60v4h)

121 117 Generations was *scottish brogue* crrrrap

Posted by: runner at November 11, 2017 07:18 PM (xhFdV)

I don't know. I kind of like it (much better than V). I particularly like when they're in the Nexus, Kirk is splitting fire wood. I would bet money that Shatner asked for that scene. It looked like he knew how to do it. He let the ax do the work. He was obviously proud of himself.

Posted by: Duke of Righteous WTF? at November 11, 2017 07:31 PM (T71PA)

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I think it's underappreciated. A bit of a mess that doesn't really work all of the time, but it's trying to do the obvious corporate command (two captains!) In a different way.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 11, 2017 07:33 PM (Jj43a)

122 i really think when he got the star trek project he thought of "2001" and took it in that direction of a naturalism in response to star wars, perhaps.

I agree, I think he approached Star Trek as a science fiction film rather than a light hearted fun adventure film with sci fi elements. And it does have a nice sci fi feel to it, but like with 2001 the visuals are a bit overlong sometimes.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 11, 2017 07:33 PM (39g3+)

123 I had seen Lawrence of Arabia chopped up for TV. Don't think I saw it complete.

The I saw the restoration at NYC's Ziegfield. At the intermission everyone in the theatre ran out to get a drink,

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 11, 2017 07:34 PM (pV/54)

124 I don't think any of them are completely unwatchable, but I think V and Insurrection are on the bottom, II and VI on the top, but the 2009 reboot would have been with them if Chris Hemsworth and Chris Pine had switched places on the cast (Hemsworth played George Kirk, Jim's father).

Mind you he could probably not have played Kirk *and* Thor, so there's that.

A lot of the movies are missed opportunities, like the lazy approach to Khan in Darkness or like at least half of V.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 11, 2017 07:34 PM (wB8Tg)

125 4 Saw Star Trek at the Plano Drive In about 100 BC..Took wife (then girlfriend) and sister (gone from this world) and sisters friends. Drank beer from ice chest and watch movie. More fun than Pismo Beach!
Posted by: rhennigantx at November 11, 2017 06:47 PM (bmkS9)

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The drive in at Parker and Central. So many memories.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 11, 2017 07:34 PM (gC2IV)

126 It had to be seen in an theater - at the time it came out. It was ground breaking.

Posted by: Javems at November 11, 2017 07:15 PM
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Yep. There are movies that work just fine on the small screen and those that really, really need the yuuuuuge screen in a darkened room for the proper effect.

If I were rich, I would buy an old-time theater and show nothing but old movies that need the big presentation.

(This occurred to me few weeks ago when I was watching Dr. Zhivago.)


Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 11, 2017 07:26 PM


I have a theory that much of the dismissing of 2001 over the decades stems from the many that never saw it at the cinema, but instead caught it on the old, small crt screens. It loses a hell of a lot that way. However, 2001 can now at least be viewed on very big home screens and at least some of it's impact is conveyed. Nowhere near as good as cinema widescreen, but compared to the small box screens, it can now be appreciated somewhat outside of a cinema experience.

Posted by: otho at November 11, 2017 07:34 PM (qGuLD)

127 *pulls from shelf Star Trek Phase II: The Lost Series*

In the original story treatment submitted by Alan Dean Foster, the computer entity is called Wan. And how do they overcome Wan? Lt Vulcan, no one had decided if Spock would be in this movie, slipped an android duplicate of himself into the group Wan kidnaps that includes a very organic and genuine Captain Kirk. This android duplicate has a photon bomb installed.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 07:35 PM (/weDQ)

128
More than that, a sort of American optimism. The 'endless' effects shots of the listening post and Starfleet Command (still being expanded!) where you can see people just working in space, for some reason that really really just strikes a chord in me, and with all the nihilistic crap that gets put out these days, seems so refreshing.

Posted by: Mordineus at November 11, 2017 07:28 PM (cYvz+)

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Good point. It struck that same cord in me. After having watched men walk on the moon at age seven, I was CERTAIN that one day as an adult I'd be working out in space, building things, similar to what was being represented in that seen.

Those days of that kind of optimism now seem gone ...

Posted by: ShainS at November 11, 2017 07:35 PM (BiLU+)

129 The Director's Cut actually uses some alternate takes and dialogue vs. the original cuts.

I only noticed this recently when Dr. Chapel is handing the Ilia probe the headband thingie, and she holds it differently and has a different word or two in what she says. I checked the older recordings and sure, enough, I remembered it right.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 11, 2017 07:36 PM (oVJmc)

130 I think Pine is good as Kirk; captured his personality well; Hemsworth, meh.

Posted by: runner at November 11, 2017 07:36 PM (xhFdV)

131 The only Next Gen film I really enjoyed was First Contact, even though I think the Borg are a crappy threat.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 11, 2017 07:37 PM (39g3+)

132 The Borg is a serious threat. We're living in its midst.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 11, 2017 07:38 PM (pV/54)

133 Even with a 65in flat screen as currently available, the vastness of the desert or of the steppes of those two movies is lost unless viewed on one of the original big screens.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 07:38 PM (/weDQ)

134 I think Pine is good as Kirk; captured his personality well; Hemsworth, meh.

Posted by: runner at November 11, 2017 07:36 PM (xhFdV) fnord (xhFdV)


Pine is doing a Jerry Lewis impression of Kirk.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 11, 2017 07:38 PM (wB8Tg)

135 @131 ... why r Borg crappy threat?

Posted by: runner at November 11, 2017 07:39 PM (xhFdV)

136 The reboot was enjoyable but does not hold up well in terms of story or rewatching. Its packed with illogical events and ridiculous events. And, Kirk's dad is like 50 times the man James T Ever turned out to be.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 11, 2017 07:39 PM (39g3+)

137 131 The only Next Gen film I really enjoyed was First Contact, even though I think the Borg are a crappy threat.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 11, 2017 07:37 PM (39g3+)

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They're great in their intro in Q Who?

It's when they really are the unstoppable elemental force that they work the best. The more they were on the show, the less threatening they became. When they introduced the queen, they lost what little menace they had left in the grand scheme of things.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 11, 2017 07:39 PM (Jj43a)

138 I think Pine is good as Kirk; captured his personality well; Hemsworth, meh.

We can all agree that Karl Urban is a perfect middle-aged McCoy, right?

Posted by: Grump928(C) has drink taken at November 11, 2017 07:40 PM (60v4h)

139 Those days of that kind of optimism now seem gone ...

Posted by: ShainS at November 11, 2017 07:35 PM (BiLU+) fnord (BiLU+)


We're not done yet.

Some things just had to be done first, and we didn't realize how many precursors we needed to actually *live* out there.

Everything's still too slow and too heavy, for example. But we'll get there.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 11, 2017 07:40 PM (wB8Tg)

140 The Borg are just lame mechanical zombies that never at any point presented enough ability or logical threat sufficient to have inexplicably destroyed most of Starfleet. They're always treated as being significantly nastier and dangerous than they actually play out as being.

Over-rated (clap clap clap clap clap)

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 11, 2017 07:40 PM (39g3+)

141 138 I think Pine is good as Kirk; captured his personality well; Hemsworth, meh.

We can all agree that Karl Urban is a perfect middle-aged McCoy, right?
Posted by: Grump928(C) has drink taken at November 11, 2017 07:40 PM (60v4h)

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Deforest's equal.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 11, 2017 07:41 PM (Jj43a)

142 think Pine is good as Kirk; captured his personality well; Hemsworth, meh.

We can all agree that Karl Urban is a perfect middle-aged McCoy, right?
Posted by: Grump928(C) has drink taken at November 11, 2017 07:40 PM (60v4h)

Yep we all agree, all of us here

Posted by: runner at November 11, 2017 07:41 PM (xhFdV)

143 We can all agree that Karl Urban is a perfect middle-aged McCoy, right?

Posted by: Grump928(C) has drink taken at November 11, 2017 07:40 PM (60v4h) fnord (60v4h)


I'm trying to think of something he's done badly. Can't.

But, yes, he nailed McCoy.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 11, 2017 07:41 PM (wB8Tg)

144 Bad writing, as in we are writing to meet Trek Tropes to fool the rubes, married to a so-so actor and that is how you get the Pine Kirk.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 07:41 PM (/weDQ)

145 Ribs just came out of the smoker if anyone's hungry.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 11, 2017 07:41 PM (gC2IV)

146 >> the less threatening they became.

I'd exchange nanoprobes with Seven of Nine any time. Assimilate me baby!

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at November 11, 2017 07:41 PM (8O3HH)

147 The only Next Gen film I really enjoyed was First Contact, even though I think the Borg are a crappy threat.

I hated their retcon of Zephram Cochrane.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 11, 2017 07:41 PM (oVJmc)

148 146 >> the less threatening they became.

I'd exchange nanoprobes with Seven of Nine any time. Assimilate me baby!
Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at November 11, 2017 07:41 PM (8O3HH)

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Harry Kim said no.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 11, 2017 07:42 PM (Jj43a)

149 Yeah what First Contact did to the Cochran character completely ruined the film for me.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 07:43 PM (/weDQ)

150 They're great in their intro in Q Who?


Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 11, 2017 07:39 PM (Jj43a)

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Glad you mentioned Q. John de Lancie's appearances as Q in TNG are easily my favorite episodes. Almost like Bill Murray, I start laughing just seeing his face ...

Posted by: ShainS at November 11, 2017 07:43 PM (BiLU+)

151 >> Harry Kim said no.

Well, I think he's sort of like Sulu (had to look him up, forgot all about that character). He's a Rear Lt., I think.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at November 11, 2017 07:43 PM (8O3HH)

152 Merovign, yep we are still in the building the tools to build the tools that will create the tools that will build that warp drive.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 07:44 PM (/weDQ)

153 145 Ribs just came out of the smoker if anyone's hungry.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 11, 2017 07:41 PM (gC2IV)


*gestures towards USB port*

Posted by: rickl at November 11, 2017 07:44 PM (sdi6R)

154 David Lean's pitch to the Hollywood money men.

It's about the exploits of a crazy Brit no living American has heard of, in a sideshow to WWI. I'm going to shoot in actual 70mm in the desert for months. There's no love story unless you count an offscreen homosexual rape, In fact there are no women in it. Not a one.

Oh, and my star is an unknown Irish stage actor who's never been in a movie before.

How much are you in for?

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 11, 2017 07:44 PM (pV/54)

155 I'm trying to think of something he's done badly. Can't.


I saw part of the Chronicles of Riddick and he was great as Vaako.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has drink taken at November 11, 2017 07:44 PM (60v4h)

156 I think the Borg were legit as a threat, but there were two problems:

1) The Star Trek trope that The Enterprise is the only great ship and has the only great crew and has to do everything, meaning everyone else has to be mooks, and

2) A lack of imagination on how the Federation addressed the threat of the Borg.

If they had equally badass ships and crews, *and* the Federation engaged in tactics and strategy instead of "let's just have some scenes of engineers talking about tachyon phase emitters and then we'll blindly throw our entire fleet at it before Magic Enterprise finds the power cord..."

Well, that would have been different.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 11, 2017 07:44 PM (wB8Tg)

157 Karl Urban is a terrific actor who doesn't get enough respect in my opinion.

I hated their retcon of Zephram Cochrane.

I never had a dog in that hunt. His portrayal meant nothing to me one way or another.

What did bother me, though, was Roddenberry's "going to space sanctifies mankind" dogma. That merely by going to space humanity somehow becomes better, more noble, more true and just and good. But the rest of the movie worked.

I agree, Anna. Abrams is a poor writer, but good visualist. he should stick to cinematographer and second unit director.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 11, 2017 07:45 PM (39g3+)

158 151 >> Harry Kim said no.

Well, I think he's sort of like Sulu (had to look him up, forgot all about that character). He's a Rear Lt., I think.
Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at November 11, 2017 07:43 PM (8O3HH)

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Garrett Wang, the actor, is actually a pretty engaging guy. He tells the story of how he read that script and just could not believe it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 11, 2017 07:45 PM (Jj43a)

159 It's big, it's impressive, and it's spectacular.
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That's what she said!

Posted by: andycanuck at November 11, 2017 07:45 PM (mJ8mX)

160
"Q" was my favorite Star Trek character. I remember some episode with Q's "wife". They were having a spat, and the whole damn Galaxy was in danger.

Hell hath no fury like a scorned she-Q.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at November 11, 2017 07:45 PM (8O3HH)

161 I hated their retcon of Zephram Cochrane.



This. It hashed the canon to know end.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has drink taken at November 11, 2017 07:46 PM (60v4h)

162 or no end

either or

Posted by: Grump928(C) has drink taken at November 11, 2017 07:46 PM (60v4h)

163 Pine is doing a Jerry Lewis impression of Kirk.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 11, 2017 07:38 PM (wB8Tg)


Hey laaaaddyy. Warp one

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 11, 2017 07:46 PM (SiINZ)

164 The Borg became a crutch when writers needed a threat but didn't want to waste time creating a good threat like Khan or Kang.

The Borg with their adaptable shields in fact are still poor cousins to Saberhagen's Berserkers.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 07:47 PM (/weDQ)

165 Merovign, yep we are still in the building the tools to build the tools that will create the tools that will build that warp drive.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 07:44 PM (/weDQ) fnord (/weDQ)


Even intra-system, we need to be harvesting resources throughout and quickly to pull the rug out from under a lot of "bad influences" here on Earth - not that we can escape from stupidity, that's baked in the cake.

But we can make the right people fat and lazy.

Then, yes, still building lots of tools, materials, medicine, to make it more practical to be out there ourselves.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 11, 2017 07:47 PM (wB8Tg)

166 ... maybe that's the problem. robert wise isn't mentioned in a discussion of star trek tmp because it doesn't look like a robert wise movie. but what does? the sound of music and the sand pebbles and executive suite and the day the earth stood and andromeda strain vary stylistically as well as thematically. to me that is to his credit. very few can move from war movie to musical to contemporary to science fiction and make something creditable but also a stand alone work where the style is the servant to the film, not the other way around.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at November 11, 2017 07:48 PM (AxFdW)

167 Well, I think he's sort of like Sulu (had to look him up, forgot all about that character). He's a Rear Lt., I think.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at November 11, 2017 07:43 PM (8O3HH)



George Takei: A rear lieutenant? OH MY!!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 11, 2017 07:48 PM (SiINZ)

168 The one thing that I wanted at the end of First Contact was for it to be revealed that the commander of the Vulcan Ship was Spock's Dad Sarek.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has drink taken at November 11, 2017 07:48 PM (60v4h)

169 I like The Cage even better when it was chopped and diced and turned into The Menagerie. It made for an excellent 2 hours of TV.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0394904/

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 11, 2017 07:49 PM (pvjTE)

170
I did not like the first Star Trek movie. My favorite one is Star Trek IV where they go back in time to get a whale. Then Khan.


Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 11, 2017 06:48 PM (mpXpK)

Now, you don't have to go back in time to get a whale. There be a lot of 'em: Lena Dunham, Trigglypuff, Amy Schumer, Rosie O'Donuts, Michale Moore....

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 11, 2017 07:49 PM (CpI2D)

171 Pine's Kirk is a bratty jerk rather than a justly confident man who balances rash action with brilliant analysis. He's not a solid man, he's a brittle boy. There's no actual kirk in him, like Quinto's Spock who has only a vague physical similarity but almost no personality in common.

Kirk I can buy perhaps being different because his father died and he was raised by... whoever that was in the movie. But Spock should have been completely identical, nothing changed in his timeline.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 11, 2017 07:49 PM (39g3+)

172 If you liked, or hated, 2001 ASO then check out this short film.

https://youtu.be/TeQi4zbT8fA

Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 11, 2017 07:49 PM (rnAwa)

173 157
What did bother me, though, was Roddenberry's "going to space sanctifies mankind" dogma. That merely by going to space humanity somehow becomes better, more noble, more true and just and good. But the rest of the movie worked.

I agree, Anna. Abrams is a poor writer, but good visualist. he should stick to cinematographer and second unit director.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 11, 2017 07:45 PM (39g3+)

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I envisioned an alternate Voyager season where the crew watched their ideals fall apart being so far from the federation.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 11, 2017 07:49 PM (Jj43a)

174
133

I remember getting run over by a fake King Tiger at the Portland Cinerama theatre in 70mm. Looked very cool.

Kid memory says they were M48 Patton.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at November 11, 2017 07:50 PM (e1mEI)

175
Q and She-Q had a rocky 4 billion years, IIRC.

When she got mad at him, she'd pop off supernovae all over the place.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at November 11, 2017 07:50 PM (8O3HH)

176 Yeah, I like "Star Trek: The Motion Picture."

If no one else likes it... well, it wouldn't be the first time I was in such a position. (My favorite album of all time is "Tales From Topographic Oceans." So there it is. I'm boring.)

But, if nothing else (and with apologies to Kanye West), ST:TMP has THE GREATEST SOUNDTRACK OF ALL TIME!

The thunderous stuff is brilliantly thunderous. The spooky, drifty stuff is brilliantly spooky, drifty.

Utter perfection.

Posted by: RKae at November 11, 2017 07:52 PM (8e9I9)

177 Yeah that is still a really big problem with the Abrams Trek Universe, George Kirk dying should not change everything about the universe. He was no Edith Keeler for goodness sake.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 07:52 PM (/weDQ)

178 Another TD for Miss State.

We're definitely missing our LBs.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has drink taken at November 11, 2017 07:52 PM (60v4h)

179 The one thing that I wanted at the end of First Contact was for it to be revealed that the commander of the Vulcan Ship was Spock's Dad Sarek.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has drink taken at November 11, 2017 07:48 PM (60v4h) fnord (60v4h)


That would have been a neat trick.

First Contact: 2063
Sarek born: 2165

Yeah, it's a nerd response, but this is a Star Trek thread.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 11, 2017 07:52 PM (wB8Tg)

180 Merovign, how you doing? Get more writing done?

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 07:53 PM (/weDQ)

181 First Contact: 2063
Sarek born: 2165


Where do you get Sarek birthdate? Was it ever mentioned?

Posted by: Grump928(C) has drink taken at November 11, 2017 07:53 PM (60v4h)

182 OT, but Robert Fisk is at it again.

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/280663/#respond

Posted by: rickl at November 11, 2017 07:54 PM (sdi6R)

183 157 Karl Urban is a terrific actor who doesn't get enough respect in my opinion.

Co-sign. He won my eternal fandom by delivering as the young Woodrow Call/Tommy Lee Jones in a Lonesome Dove prequel. Which wasn't great, except for Urban and Steve Zahn as the young Gus McCrae/Robert Duvall. Casting director knocked it out of the park with those two.

Posted by: Shopgirl: Congrats Alex Gordon, Wilson Defensive PoY at November 11, 2017 07:54 PM (IpsQV)

184 "Sarek, son of Skone, son of..."

I forget the rest

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 07:54 PM (/weDQ)

185 Peter O'Toole could be overly melodramatic, but even then had a subtlety lost to Shatner.

But Shatner could be great in roles without subtlety, like Kirk.

Kirk was inspired by the public image of JFK in the 60s, no?

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 11, 2017 07:54 PM (pV/54)

186  The Sonobi is a serious threat. We're living in its midst.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 11, 2017 07:38 PM

FIFY

Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2017 07:55 PM (aC6Sd)

187 Abrams also has ZERO conception, from all his movies, about how far apart planets are.

I mean, NONE. AT ALL.

Like a mental three-year-old.

Like in Star Wars, "look, we see that beam destroying that planet, like what, 200 years ago?"

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 11, 2017 07:55 PM (wB8Tg)

188 Back then we saw double features. I wen to see star-trek but was very disappointed. The second feature, Slap Shot. Never laughed so hard at a movie.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at November 11, 2017 07:55 PM (3BFzK)

189 Jim Beam spokes babe sends PP donations in VP Prince's name, she mentioned it on a talk show. First I saw the commercial

Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2017 07:17 PM (aC6Sd)

Pence should simply send a much larger donation to a pro-life group in her name.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 11, 2017 07:55 PM (CpI2D)

190 rickl, how are you doing, my brother?

Posted by: Eromero at November 11, 2017 07:55 PM (zLDYs)

191 Wise also did the original 'The Haunting.'

Simply incredible work, there, and with sound even more than visuals.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 11, 2017 07:55 PM (oVJmc)

192 By the way, apparently Vice President Pence and his wife personally helped wash the Vietnam War Memorial by hand

http://tinyurl.com/ya89wzec

The guy has an odd look but he really seems like a genuinely decent, good soul.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 11, 2017 07:55 PM (39g3+)

193 But Spock should have been completely identical, nothing changed in his timeline.
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It wasn't shown but Spock's pet sehlat sodomized him in grade school in the remake.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 11, 2017 07:55 PM (mJ8mX)

194 My problem with The Motion Picture is why was V'ger so damn big? It's mission did not require a vessel a quarter of the Enterprise's size, let alone the inner solar system's. Its size is a complete red herring, yet it's the only source of tension in the whole movie.

Posted by: JSchuler at November 11, 2017 07:55 PM (YsGL+)

195 ... robert wise - what a pro, what a champ.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at November 11, 2017 07:55 PM (AxFdW)

196 190 rickl, how are you doing, my brother?
Posted by: Eromero at November 11, 2017 07:55 PM (zLDYs)


Fine at the moment, thanks.

Posted by: rickl at November 11, 2017 07:56 PM (sdi6R)

197 Pine is doing a Jerry Lewis impression of Kirk.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith


Okay, now THAT'S FUNNY!

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at November 11, 2017 07:56 PM (S6Pax)

198 Where do you get Sarek birthdate? Was it ever mentioned?

Posted by: Grump928(C) has drink taken at November 11, 2017 07:53 PM (60v4h) fnord (60v4h)


Memory Alpha.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 11, 2017 07:56 PM (wB8Tg)

199 Yeah that is still a really big problem with the Abrams Trek Universe, George Kirk dying should not change everything about the universe. He was no Edith Keeler for goodness sake.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR)

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I don't think it was his death that changed everything. He just died while it was changing.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Also: Remember: in the original series, James Kirk has a younger brother, who now will never exist. So there's something big right there.

Posted by: RKae at November 11, 2017 07:57 PM (8e9I9)

200 The best was LXIX: Planet Lesbos: Where No Man Has Gone Before

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at November 11, 2017 07:57 PM (Nwg0u)

201 *pulls another book off shelf Star Trek Chronology: The History of the Future.*

pg. 34 for the year 2165 Sarek of Vulcan is born. Son of Skon, grandson of Solkar.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 07:57 PM (/weDQ)

202 My problem with The Motion Picture is why was V'ger so damn big? It's mission did not require a vessel a quarter of the Enterprise's size, let alone the inner solar system's. Its size is a complete red herring, yet it's the only source of tension in the whole movie.
Posted by: JSchuler

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Voyager would have run out of power, so they needed a huge thing around it to power it.... because it holds Keanu Reeves and everybody else in pods to use them as batteries.

Posted by: RKae at November 11, 2017 07:58 PM (8e9I9)

203 There is a web site base with files on Star Trek people and ships, used it on Capt Kirks birth date, someone posted a marker in Iowa with Kirks name and birth date that doesn't mach the data base

Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2017 07:59 PM (aC6Sd)

204 How would Sarek's birthdate become canonical? I thought Memory Alpha was just Nerd Club.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has drink taken at November 11, 2017 07:59 PM (60v4h)

205 Merovign, how you doing? Get more writing done?

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 07:53 PM (/weDQ) fnord (/weDQ)


Massive family health problems, burning my poor abused candle at both ends, billing problems with hospital, appointment cancellation screwups, struggling to pay bills - oh, yeah, writing.

Got like 10k words in the first three days of NaNo and then the farm hit the fan. If things settle down AT ALL I will get back to that.

Right now I feel like I ran a 10k while boxing, because I recover from effort *very slowly* with the heart condition and drugs for it. Actually very sore.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 11, 2017 08:00 PM (wB8Tg)

206 TD Alabama. They don't like to trail for long.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has drink taken at November 11, 2017 08:00 PM (60v4h)

207 "He was no Edith Keeler for goodness sake."

Many call City on the Edge the best episode of the original series.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 11, 2017 08:00 PM (pV/54)

208 How canonical?

Well in the DC Fontana story Journey to Babel[/] Sarek gives his age as 102.437

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 08:01 PM (/weDQ)

209 http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Sarek

Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2017 08:01 PM (aC6Sd)

210 V'ger.

I mean, damn machine intelligence aliens, too lazy to clean up the name plate, and realize it was Voyager.

I guess they had to mess with the mystery, and make a McGuffin out of it. The visuals in Star Trek, TMP were very nice, but it was, after all, kind of a weak story.

I remember an interview with Harlan Ellison, where he talked about a story version of the movie he had dreamed up, where another race had been living next to humanity for all of history , and we were completely unaware of it. And then, something dramatic happened.
He and Roddenberry pitched it to the studios, and then reaction was "We want something BIGGER!"

The wanted "Star Wars", and got a 2001 version of Star Trek. Definitely, the editing should have been tightened up.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at November 11, 2017 08:01 PM (S6Pax)

211 I was sexually harassed by the Tribbles.

Posted by: Uhura at November 11, 2017 08:01 PM (Tyii7)

212 How would Sarek's birthdate become canonical? I thought Memory Alpha was just Nerd Club.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has drink taken at November 11, 2017 07:59 PM (60v4h) fnord (60v4h)


Star Trek is nerd club.

They do mention how old Sarek is many times in the series, so it's easy enough to derive from that. Sarek has a medical condition in TOS and TNG so there are doctor scenes where they say his age.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 11, 2017 08:01 PM (wB8Tg)

213
Tonight's hosts of TCM's Essentials:
David Letterman and Alec Baldwin
aka Asshole 1 and Asshole 2

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 11, 2017 08:02 PM (IqV8l)

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at November 11, 2017 08:03 PM (3BFzK)

215 The Borg became a crutch when writers needed a threat but didn't want to waste time creating a good threat like Khan or Kang.

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Kink would never have made it past the censors.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at November 11, 2017 08:03 PM (Nwg0u)

216 And people made fun of JRR Tolkien and his made up world with languages, maps, people's history

Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2017 08:03 PM (aC6Sd)

217 Edith Keeler prevented the US from fighting Nazi Germany in time.

George Kirk's death and the destruction of this ship would not have had those kinds of repercussions. It would have an impact on those families, much like Spock doing that research to discover the F-104 pilot they saved would one day have a son who would lead the first Saturn mission.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 08:04 PM (/weDQ)

218 Tonight's hosts of TCM's Essentials:
David Letterman and Alec Baldwin
aka Asshole 1 and Asshole 2

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 11, 2017 08:02 PM (IqV8l)


A couple of days ago TCM's movie theme was victims of the blacklist. TCM has turned to crap

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 11, 2017 08:04 PM (SiINZ)

219 V-ger was outclassed by B-ger. Totally.

Posted by: Eromero at November 11, 2017 08:04 PM (zLDYs)

220 Uhura - Sulu abused Tribbles so there is that

Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2017 08:05 PM (aC6Sd)

221 "Edith Keeler prevented the US from fighting Nazi Germany in time."

What happens when SJWs get their way.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 11, 2017 08:05 PM (pV/54)

222 They do mention how old Sarek is many times in the series, so it's easy enough to derive from that. Sarek has a medical condition in TOS and TNG so there are doctor scenes where they say his age.


Ah. Thank you.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has drink taken at November 11, 2017 08:05 PM (60v4h)

223 Even Captain Pike would leer at me with his good eye.

Posted by: Uhura at November 11, 2017 08:05 PM (Tyii7)

224
149 Yeah what First Contact did to the Cochran character completely ruined the film for me.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 07:43 PM (/weDQ)

Like the alternate universe Cochran who plugs the first contact Vulcan and leads the crowd to loot the ship?

Now that is real human behavior coming out of WW3 and The Eugenics Wars.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at November 11, 2017 08:06 PM (e1mEI)

225 V-Ger got schlonged by Lord God Emperor of the Universe Trump.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at November 11, 2017 08:07 PM (3BFzK)

226 Sorry to hear about all the troubles you are going through. Boycotting NaNoWriMo after they decided to go political.

I hope you get better and get more words down. I might have to scour the scenes with Deckard and the Ilia probe because I am attempting to salvage more of Yuriko's story and finding that I must try and explain to an android how humans can waste so much time watching moving pictures.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 08:07 PM (/weDQ)

227
Charlie X: Sulu tried to grab my junk!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 11, 2017 08:08 PM (SiINZ)

228 154 David Lean's pitch to the Hollywood money men.

....
'Oh, and my star is an unknown Irish stage actor who's never been in a movie before.

How much are you in for?
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 11, 2017 07:44 PM


Eh, they had him on film before then -- most bigly, The Day They Robbed the Bank of England.

*I'd've* put in ten bucks, on that alone.

Posted by: Shopgirl: Congrats Alex Gordon, Wilson Defensive PoY at November 11, 2017 08:08 PM (IpsQV)

229 I watched the new Thor this week.

I enjoyed it.

One thing I noticed was just what a great actor Jeff Goldblum is.

The 2nd post credits scene's last joke- is a very silly sort of joke but Goldblum says his punch line perfectly-

I was laughing on and off for minutes over that.

The guy needs to work more.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 11, 2017 08:08 PM (9q7Dl)

230 It's possible younger people don't remember what it was like to come back to Star Trek over a decade after the original series, and see what the new special effects could do with a beloved icon.

I remember that "boring" flyby and the rest of the exotic visuals as the coolest things I'd seen in a long time. The only similar experience I've had was seeing "2001: A Space Odyssey" after years of watching TV SF where Irwin Allen was the height of visual effects.

Posted by: TB at November 11, 2017 08:10 PM (wNx6K)

231 I watched the new Thor this week.

I thought it was a bit too silly, but, yeah, Goldblum ruled.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 11, 2017 08:10 PM (oVJmc)

232 One thing I noticed was just what a great actor Jeff Goldblum is.

The last time I saw him he was a skeleton. Has he put on any weight?

Posted by: Grump928(C) has drink taken at November 11, 2017 08:10 PM (60v4h)

233 Tonight's hosts of TCM's Essentials:
David Letterman and Alec Baldwin
aka Asshole 1 and Asshole 2
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.


Trying to kill the brand, they are.

Did they take a knee?

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at November 11, 2017 08:13 PM (S6Pax)

234 Glad I don't have TCM or satellite TV anymore.

TCM without Robert Osborn sorry he was the brand.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 08:14 PM (/weDQ)

235 The first two Trek films are my favorites, but for completely different reasons.

TMP was indeed a visual wonder, and while it focused on the ambiance and the magnitude of the unknown, it nonetheless managed to demonstrate that Trek was more than just exploring outer space, but of expanding understanding... and doing so much better than any moralizing TNG "Q" episode. It was indeed Roddenberry's vision, and it was an impressive one.

Khan, OTOH, was a reaction to TMP. The budget was much lower. A consequence of this, however, meant they had to focus on the characters and their conflict, which it did very well.

Another consequence was that Roddenberry's more peaceful exploration feel for the Federation and Starfleet was replaced with the now iconic uniforms in Khan which were far more militaristic and naval. Indeed, the smaller budget meant that while we did get scenes of the Reliant and Enterprise shooting each other, much more of the actual tension, action, and drama were on the bridges of the ships where, again, the character conflict was paramount. Indeed, this was less a battle of two ships than a battle of who brilliant commanders at near parity to each other. That they had Spock die just underscores the drama.

Posted by: To Boldly Go Where No Hat Has Gone Before at November 11, 2017 08:15 PM (itfg0)

236 ... but i'm not sure that wise can be credited with the idea that v'ger would make its drone in the shape of a beautiful woman in a micro-miniskirt. that is movie magic!

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at November 11, 2017 08:16 PM (AxFdW)

237 As far as I am concerned, ST: The Motion Pucture needs no defense. Much as I love Wrath of Khan, the first film captured the spirit of the original series more than any of the other films.

Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at November 11, 2017 08:16 PM (H5knJ)

238 I loved the original Star Trek series, read the books, was a total fangirl, and was SO excited to see the movie. And then I say down in the theater and watched Star Trek, the Motion Picture. Watching paint dry would have been more entertaining.

"6 I did not like the first Star Trek movie. My favorite one is Star Trek IV where they go back in time to get a whale. Then Khan.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 11, 2017 06:48 PM (mpXpK)"

Me too!

Posted by: Ann at November 11, 2017 08:17 PM (jtHQy)

239 The Search for Spock was a real step down in quality. That's when they started producing the movies under Paramount's Television arm, and it just looks cheap.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 11, 2017 08:18 PM (oVJmc)

240 Sorry to hear about all the troubles you are going through. Boycotting NaNoWriMo after they decided to go political.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 08:07 PM (/weDQ) fnord (/weDQ)


I don't even remember what they did. Then again, I don't remember what I had for dinner last night.

I have some local friends doing NaNo.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 11, 2017 08:18 PM (wB8Tg)

241 The Borg became a crutch when writers needed a threat but didn't want to waste time creating a good threat like Khan or Kang.

-
Kink would never have made it past the censors.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at November 11, 2017 08:03 PM (Nwg0u)


The Borg started out as a truly menacing enemy. There was no individual and all drones were simply extensions of the integrated whole. By the time we get to Voyager, it makes the Borg out to be a bunch of individuals who could just up and leave the auspices of the Borg Queen like they were just another co-equal culture. The introduction of the Borg Queen was the worst thing to happen to Trek until ST...

Posted by: To Boldly Go Where No Hat Has Gone Before at November 11, 2017 08:19 PM (itfg0)

242 239 The Search for Spock was a real step down in quality. That's when they started producing the movies under Paramount's Television arm, and it just looks cheap.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 11, 2017 08:18 PM (oVJmc)

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It does look cheap, but the story is solid.

Also may have Shatner's finest acting moment when David dies.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 11, 2017 08:19 PM (Jj43a)

243 226 Sorry to hear about all the troubles you are going through. Boycotting NaNoWriMo after they decided to go political.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 08:07 PM (/weDQ)


yeppers Anna. got into a pissing match with an outspoken (is there any other kind?) libtard and then other ignorant Libtards piled on. Cowards. So i said 'I can do his myself' and it motivated me to hammer out a shit ton of words.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 11, 2017 08:19 PM (VezBU)

244 Tom Baker Dr. Who story 'The Ark in Space' on RetroTV right now.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 11, 2017 08:21 PM (oVJmc)

245 Like the alternate universe Cochran who plugs the first contact Vulcan and leads the crowd to loot the ship?

Now that is real human behavior coming out of WW3 and The Eugenics Wars.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at November 11, 2017 08:06 PM (e1mEI)


The ST:ENT episodes of the mirror universe were the best, but then that happened during their final season when they actually started getting consistently good an focused on the backstory of the Trek universe (especially with the Andorians) rather than introduce a plethora of new species that isn't seen in the previous four series.

Posted by: To Boldly Go Where No Hat Has Gone Before at November 11, 2017 08:21 PM (itfg0)

246
Shatner had two gears.



Overly melodramatic.



Eat the scenery
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Yeah, I think that's a feature, not a bug.

Posted by: shibumi at November 11, 2017 08:21 PM (aT+Bx)

247 241
The Borg started out as a truly menacing enemy. There was no individual and all drones were simply extensions of the integrated whole. By the time we get to Voyager, it makes the Borg out to be a bunch of individuals who could just up and leave the auspices of the Borg Queen like they were just another co-equal culture. The introduction of the Borg Queen was the worst thing to happen to Trek until ST...
Posted by: To Boldly Go Where No Hat Has Gone Before at November 11, 2017 08:19 PM (itfg0)

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I've always liked to imagine that the queen was an emergency measure implemented when the cube got destroyed. They couldn't straight up conquer anymore, so they adapted.

The first time we see her, they're even assembling her.

But, then they reintroduced the queen in Voyager, which was just a bad idea.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 11, 2017 08:21 PM (Jj43a)

248

Also may have Shatner's finest acting moment when David dies.


"You Klingon sons, you killed my bastard!"

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 11, 2017 08:22 PM (oVJmc)

249 "The last time I saw him he was a skeleton. Has he put on any weight?
Posted by: Grump928(C) has drink taken at November 11, 2017 08:10 PM (60v4h)"

Nope. And 20-30 years ago I thought he was a hottie. He - and Tom Hiddleston- were the best things about the new Thor though - by far.

I liked the last Thor movie (the first one was terrible, but Chris Hemsworth made it watchable), and Thor Ragnarok one just didn't do it for me. Tough to go serious-to-comedy. Seemed like an entirely different Thor-character.

Posted by: Ann at November 11, 2017 08:22 PM (jtHQy)

250 Godzilla in space would have been badass. Maybe fighting Ultraman.

Posted by: Weasel at November 11, 2017 08:22 PM (Sfs6o)

251 One of the problems with TMP is that it is again, when Roddenberry gets too close to doing what he wanted with Star Trek, it was bad (see also the first few seasons of TNG.) It is bizarre how close he and Lucas are when compared to their creations.

The Wrath of Khan. It is wonderful. The actors are at their best (the director found the key to not letting Shatner overtake Kirk.)

If the movies could be compared to episodes, your comparison of TMP could indeed be the Cage/Menagerie. While Wrath of Khan would be Balance of Terror- possibly my favorite classic trek episode.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 11, 2017 08:23 PM (ycWCI)

252 As for the rest of the Trek movies, The Final Frontier was a good coda for the original cast and decent character conflict and a likable villain.

The Search for Spock has the saddest moment of any movie.

The whale movie was bad.

Star Trek V didn't happen.

All the TNG movies were horrible, especially the way they transformed Picard from an intelligent Captain with top diplomatic and reasoning skills into an unthinking emotional nutcase.

The new Trek movies were shiny but ultimately forgettable.

As for the series, DS9 is best.

Posted by: To Boldly Go Where No Hat Has Gone Before at November 11, 2017 08:25 PM (itfg0)

253 "22 20 Shatner had two gears.

Overly melodramatic.

Eat the scenery
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 11, 2017 06:55 PM (pV/54)

======

Which was "Khan!!!!"?"
-----------------------------

In Shatner's defense, Kirk (as we later find out) has reason to believe that he is not, in fact, marooned on a lifeless planet "buried alive... alive". Kirk is playing to Khan's ego.

Yeah... I know....

Posted by: ogmrobvious at November 11, 2017 08:25 PM (Hp+Pi)

254 btw while we're on the subject:

roddenberry's son did a documentary on his father and star trek that has interesting moments. one is when he interviews lucas, who says star trek is a western and star wars is an opera. different things, not one better than the other. or something.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at November 11, 2017 08:27 PM (AxFdW)

255 V may not be great, but the end scene with the false god sure is. "What does god neee with a starship?"

Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at November 11, 2017 08:27 PM (H5knJ)

256 NaNoWriMo decided to get political by opposing Trump's travel band. So I have parted ways with them because they killed a non-political thing, donned' its moldering hide, and now pretend to be NaNoWriMo.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 08:29 PM (/weDQ)

257 eerr travel ban yeah that's it

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 08:30 PM (/weDQ)

258 The Borg were great when they were introduced. But I think the reavers from Firefly? are terrifying.

Posted by: Northernlurker at November 11, 2017 08:30 PM (nBr1j)

259 V is just... a mess. Too many different styles (comedy? drama? action? commentary?) not blended anywhere near seamlessly.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 11, 2017 08:30 PM (ycWCI)

260
Kind of the 70s version of a uniform. Nobody looked good in them

=====
I believe that the concept was that they were disposable/recyclable and not meant to be laundered, therefore they should look rather flimsy.

Posted by: Vlad the Impaler, whittling away like mad at November 11, 2017 08:30 PM (8xWPO)

261 A travel band . . . that should be a thing. Wandering minstrels, but cooler.

Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at November 11, 2017 08:31 PM (H5knJ)

262 258 The Borg were great when they were introduced. But I think the reavers from Firefly? are terrifying.
Posted by: Northernlurker at November 11, 2017 08:30 PM (nBr1j)

Both are terrifying for completely different and similar reasons.

Borg: Emotionless. Monolithic. Implacable. Intelligent. adaptable.

Reavers: Pure hate. Rage. Fury. Brutal. Squishy. Unreasoning.

They are villains from different time periods. Reavers are like stone age villains that hit the back brain, while the Borg are communism made manifest.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 11, 2017 08:33 PM (ycWCI)

263 V is just... a mess. Too many different styles (comedy? drama? action? commentary?) not blended anywhere near seamlessly.

And some substandard and re-used effects.

I swear they took an Enterprise flyby from an earlier film and re-matted a new background into it, and the problem was the perspective didn't match and the ship 'skated.'

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 11, 2017 08:33 PM (oVJmc)

264 The Borg were great when they were introduced. But I think the reavers from Firefly? are terrifying.

Posted by: Northernlurker at November 11, 2017 08:30 PM (nBr1j)

Oh, there are things much more terrifying than that.

Posted by: Naked Joss Whedon at November 11, 2017 08:34 PM (sXefu)

265 Donald J. Trump -Verified account @realDonaldTrump 45m45 minutes ago

Why would Kim Jong-un insult me by calling me "old," when I would NEVER call him "short and fat?" Oh well, I try so hard to be his friend - and maybe someday that will happen!<<<


...and you...and you...and, you too

Posted by: Bob at November 11, 2017 08:34 PM (Sc+fF)

266 261 A travel band . . . that should be a thing. Wandering minstrels, but cooler.
Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at November 11, 2017 08:31 PM (H5knJ)

George Harrison, Roy Orbison and Tom Petty?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 11, 2017 08:34 PM (ycWCI)

267 I hope you get better and get more words down. I might have to scour the scenes with Deckard and the Ilia probe because I am attempting to salvage more of Yuriko's story and finding that I must try and explain to an android how humans can waste so much time watching moving pictures.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 08:07 PM (/weDQ)

So, Yuriko's not finished yet? I thought that I got a bad download from Amazon to my Kindle. That would explain why it ends in what seems like the middle.

Posted by: Straight Razor at November 11, 2017 08:34 PM (DORHD)

268

I ate the scenery... tasty!
* Buuuuuuuuuurp! *

Posted by: Richard Kiel at November 11, 2017 08:34 PM (T/KY7)

269 oVJmc)
264 The Borg were great when they were introduced. But I think the reavers from Firefly? are terrifying.

Posted by: Northernlurker at November 11, 2017 08:30 PM (nBr1j)
Oh, there are things much more terrifying than that.
Posted by: Naked Joss Whedon at November 11, 2017 08:34 PM (sXefu)

Urp. There goes my popcorn

Posted by: Northernlurker at November 11, 2017 08:35 PM (nBr1j)

270 That was movie was so dumb. I thought it was going to be the end of Star Trek.
Posted by: freaked at November 11, 2017 06:51 PM (UdKB7)

It was the top grossing Trek film for a long time. I always enjoyed it even though it is stupid in a lot of ways.

TMP simply suffered from the lack of the triumvirate. Stripping out the Deckard portion of the script would have helped. But, you Trek has tended to be more about the characters and the situations they are in. It's amazing that after all of the mistakes from the first film, they managed to learn and create the best Star Trek film ever.

Posted by: WOPR (now with chainsaw bayonets) at November 11, 2017 08:35 PM (J70i0)

271 Finally! This is exactly what I've always tried to tell people about TMP. It's one of those movies that you have to just sit down and experience. Personally, I think if it had come out in say, 1976, it would be far more highly regarded. It's actual science fiction in the vein of 2001, not Star Wars (which I'd argue is more of a sword and sorcery epic in a sci-fi style setting). It's most certainly underrated to damn near the same degree that IV is overrated.

Posted by: Jackal at November 11, 2017 08:35 PM (o3+fQ)

272 Not a bad download, what is published is just the first complete story arc. There is more but I let myself go down a very grim rabbit hole. And only after cleaning up the first story arc have I possibly spotted a way out the mess.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 08:36 PM (/weDQ)

273 eerr travel ban yeah that's it

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 08:30 PM (/weDQ) fnord (/weDQ)


My new headcanon is that the NaNo management decided to come out against Trump's band, the Hoteliers.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 11, 2017 08:37 PM (wB8Tg)

274

Borg: KGB

Reavers: Antifa

In fact I suggest a Style Guide edit to make 'the Antifa Reavers' an acceptable alternative usage.

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at November 11, 2017 08:37 PM (T/KY7)

275 Evening all. Had a minute. Sitting in a field in Spring/Cypress.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 11, 2017 08:37 PM (khWYc)

276 Wasn't this movie just a longform version of The Changeling?
Posted by: Grump928(C) has drink taken at November 11, 2017 07:00 PM (60v4h)

Yes.

Posted by: WOPR (now with chainsaw bayonets) at November 11, 2017 08:39 PM (J70i0)

277

II was by far the best, old fashioned ass kicking.

"Here it comes."
"Z minus 10 thousand meters."
"Ensign you have to learn WHY things work on a starship. Also, show us your tits."

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at November 11, 2017 08:39 PM (T/KY7)

278 Why are you in a field in Spring/Cypress?

Need help?

Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at November 11, 2017 08:42 PM (H5knJ)

279 NOTICE:

Last week --- or maybe it was the week before --- I mentioned that my neighbors, who always do a big Super Bowl party, are having a Boycott Bowl one this year. The plan is to show clips from old SBs (especially Redskins wins) and a movie or two.

I'm sorry to say I can't remember who it was, but someone here suggested Knute Rockne, All American. I passed that idea on to them and they were absolutely thrilled with it!
So thank you, Moron, whoever you are!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 11, 2017 08:42 PM (0jtPF)

280 Why are you in a field in Spring/Cypress?

Need help?
Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls



Nah. 26 hr. paintball scenario - Painted Dead. Take off of The Walking Dead. Reffing. Had a minute to check in to my second home.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 11, 2017 08:43 PM (khWYc)

281
It's not what you know; it's what you can prove.
It's not what you can prove; it's what you can simply say about a Republican/Conservative.



*notice the proper use of the semicolon

or is it?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 11, 2017 08:45 PM (AO6Ao)

282 (the first (Thor movie) was terrible, but Chris Hemsworth made it watchable)

Wow. Vehemently disagree. It's the only comic book-to-screen I've liked since Heath Ledger played the Joker. Supporting cast was strong; humor on point; and I actually bought into the romance. And Hemsworth was terrific. Super-dreamy, swoon-y, fantasy-provoking, HOT.

Posted by: Shopgirl: Congrats Alex Gordon, Wilson Defensive PoY at November 11, 2017 08:45 PM (IpsQV)

283 The original screenplay for TMP has Admiral Kirk and McCoy chatting when Kirk is summoned to meet with Admiral Nogura. A sensor drone catches only the Koro class Klingon battlecruisers being destroyed. Only briefly do we seen the Klingon commander aboard Amar before it to is destroyed. Only then does Kirk learn the unknown entity is heading for Earth.

In this version, there is another Federation starship in range, the light cruiser USS Aswan. Nogura orders Scotty to ready Enterprise to back-up the other ship. Kirk gets the center seat because the designated Captain, Wah Chen, is still at Starbase Six which is three days away at maximum warp.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 08:46 PM (/weDQ)

284 Got it. Sorry to hear you are dead.

Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at November 11, 2017 08:47 PM (H5knJ)

285 I find 2001 to suffer from what is the bane of all of Clarke's stories, the people are cardboard characters. They never feel like people.

Yes, I like 2010 better because the movie actually has characters (ie human beings and not walking meat computers).

Posted by: WOPR (now with chainsaw bayonets) at November 11, 2017 08:48 PM (J70i0)

286
Did Khan's chair on his ship have rich Corinthian leather?

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at November 11, 2017 08:48 PM (8O3HH)

287 284 He's not dead, just making sure those who are stay that way

Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2017 08:49 PM (aC6Sd)

288 285 I find 2001 to suffer from what is the bane of all of Clarke's stories, the people are cardboard characters. They never feel like people.

Yes, I like 2010 better because the movie actually has characters (ie human beings and not walking meat computers).
Posted by: WOPR (now with chainsaw bayonets) at November 11, 2017 08:48 PM (J70i0)

=======

You leave out HAL.

The humans are flat, but HAL is dynamic and alive. It's an irony that works wonderfully well.

HAL's death is really sad.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 11, 2017 08:50 PM (Jj43a)

289 He's not dead, just making sure those who are stay that way

-
Drudge headline:

Jeffrey Dahmer Victims Speak Out: 'Thought About Killing Him'...

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at November 11, 2017 08:51 PM (Nwg0u)

290 286
Did Khan's chair on his ship have rich Corinthian leather?
Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at November 11, 2017 08:48 PM (8O3HH)

Of course. It matches the classy medallion.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 11, 2017 08:51 PM (ycWCI)

291 All those moments gone, like teardrops in the rain.

Posted by: HAL at November 11, 2017 08:52 PM (cGz5Q)

292

The worst thing about IV, besides everything, was the introduction of the Ficusfucker race, and the need to accommodate their, er, needs everywhere 'cause Diversity!

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at November 11, 2017 08:52 PM (T/KY7)

293 285
I find 2001 to suffer from what is the bane of all of Clarke's stories,
the people are cardboard characters. They never feel like people.



Yes, I like 2010 better because the movie actually has characters (ie human beings and not walking meat computers).

Posted by: WOPR (now with chainsaw bayonets) at November 11, 2017 08:48 PM (J70i0)

=============
It also gives the viewer a break and lets you in on what's going on. You shouldn't have to read the book to understand what's going on. And yeah, its better as actual entertainment.

Posted by: Jackal at November 11, 2017 08:53 PM (o3+fQ)

294 Before LaserDisc, there was some sort of hideous disc thing with some sort of needle or something that actually made contact with the platter. My memory is saying "RCA," but I don't really know. Now that was an epic flop.

Posted by: Splunge at November 11, 2017 08:53 PM (Vb4BV)

295 Hal was the beginning of Skynet, f-in machine killed 4 people

Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2017 08:54 PM (aC6Sd)

296 Just finished watching Groundhog Day for the 50th time.

Almost as perfect a movie as can be IMO.


Anyone see Brawl in Cell Block 99?

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 11, 2017 08:54 PM (2DOZq)

297

The best thing about the Star Trek Universe is that roofies are still legal!

Posted by: George Sulu at November 11, 2017 08:54 PM (T/KY7)

298 I liked the first Thor movie. But it was at least 1/4 chick-flick.

Posted by: Splunge at November 11, 2017 08:54 PM (Vb4BV)

299 A little tidbit. I did a craft show today (and tomorrow). Anyhoo.. I have lots of Royals and Chiefs bracelets. A lady came up to my booth admiring the bracelets. She finally picked two Royals ones. She looked at me and said I would get a Chiefs one but I am so disappointed in what's going on there is no way I will spend one dime on anything NFL.

Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels at November 11, 2017 08:55 PM (CNHr1)

300 Hal was the beginning of Skynet, f-in machine killed 4 people
Posted by: Skip

He was a good boy. He dindu nuttin.

Posted by: Siri at November 11, 2017 08:55 PM (RFnEL)

301 294 Before LaserDisc, there was some sort of hideous disc thing with some sort of needle or something that actually made contact with the platter. My memory is saying "RCA," but I don't really know. Now that was an epic flop.
Posted by: Splunge at November 11, 2017 08:53 PM (Vb4BV)

Yep RCA. The disc was inside a cartridge. It was the same size as a laser disc. My Dad worked at RCA at the time and he brought home one of the devices. I think we watched King Kong on it.


Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 11, 2017 08:56 PM (ycWCI)

302
Hal grabbed my ass!

#MeToo

Posted by: Siri at November 11, 2017 08:56 PM (8O3HH)

303 Posted by: Shopgirl: Congrats Alex Gordon, Wilson Defensive PoY at November 11, 2017 08:45 PM (IpsQ

The acting was good. It was the script that needed work.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 11, 2017 08:56 PM (2DOZq)

304 In this version, the first view of the spacedock does not reveal what is in it, the viewer just knows something important is there.

Kirk beams aboard the work office. Scotty says the transporters aboard ship will be working in a couple hours.

KIRK - It's better this way. I'll get a good look at her.

SCOTT - She's more beautiful than ever, sir.

KIRK (smiles)

Only after this is the viewer shown the refitted ship in spacedock.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 08:56 PM (/weDQ)

305 Star Trek, Star Wars gibberish to me. No offense to those who enjoy them, just not for me. Clint Eastwood's portfolio is my style, along with the classics 1930-50s.

Posted by: colfax mingo at November 11, 2017 08:57 PM (0n18S)

306 Well Star Wars is basically a Western in space, mixed with a WW 2 flying movie.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2017 08:57 PM (xJa6I)

307 >> But it was at least 1/4 chick-flick.

I like chick flicks....

Oh, you mean a movie that chicks like... No, I don't care for those, either.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at November 11, 2017 08:58 PM (8O3HH)

308 I don't like Star Trek The Motion Picture.
It's too cold, too dull, it lack conflict and drama.

I didn't know about the tv show pilot background, that was interesting TJM. From that perspective, it does feel like butter spread over too much bread.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2017 08:58 PM (xJa6I)

309

Some of the best Sci-Fi movies were just remakes of westerns with laz-pistols.

And green tits.

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at November 11, 2017 08:59 PM (T/KY7)

310 Outland was High Noon in space.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 11, 2017 09:00 PM (2DOZq)

311 I find 2001 to suffer from what is the bane of all of Clarke's stories, the people are cardboard characters. They never feel like people.

Yes, I like 2010 better because the movie actually has characters (ie human beings and not walking meat computers).
Posted by: WOPR


2001 was a very visual movie, but there were some odd undercurrents about it. I also once heard that some leading "intellectuals" in the old Soviet Union felt better about "America" after they saw 2001.

Having said all that, the local movie reviewer in my town said he thought the two astronauts in Discovery I were overtrained, and not at all like real astronauts he had met back in the day (the 1960's), who could be fun guys when not focused on work.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at November 11, 2017 09:00 PM (S6Pax)

312 285 I find 2001 to suffer from what is the bane of all of Clarke's stories, the people are cardboard characters. They never feel like people.

Yes, I like 2010 better because the movie actually has characters (ie human beings and not walking meat computers).
Posted by: WOPR (now with chainsaw bayonets) at November 11, 2017 08:48 PM (J70i0)

Or they're puppets to put out whatever liberal talking point the author wants. I tried re-reading Childhood's End and I was infuriated by the characters, especially the UN puke.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2017 09:01 PM (xJa6I)

313
IIRC, Gene Rodenberry pitched the original as "Wagon Train in Space".

You can thank Lucille Ball for getting Star Trek on the air. Look it up.

I also remember how she saved Mannix. The first season didn't do so well, and she saved it.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at November 11, 2017 09:01 PM (8O3HH)

314
Yvonne Craig (Batgirl, the one and only) played an Orion Slave Girl as well on one of the TOS episodes.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at November 11, 2017 09:03 PM (8O3HH)

315 Peter Hyams ruined 2010 because he just HAD to put an anti-Reagan Cold War spin to the movie. A spin that Clarke approved of that went far beyond anything he had put in the book.

Because Hyams did this, the movie is very dated while 2001 which does make oblique reference to there still being rivalry between the US and USSR remains more timeless.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 09:04 PM (/weDQ)

316 The problem with 2001 (and yes, it does have problems for all its glory) is it's three stories, very different in tone and pacing. Maybe four stories if we include the end scene.

You can link them intellectually, which I'm sure was Kubrick's desire, but as a viewer they don't fit.

Monkey scene feels like some Quest for Fire documentary hybrid.

The discovery of the obelisk on the moon might be my favorite but all the conflict is implied.

The bit with HAL has the only real spark of life and drama.

And the end...it's just opaque. Deliberately so, I feel.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2017 09:07 PM (xJa6I)

317 Star Trek series on tv were bad renditions of Greek tragedies. Star Wars was, imo, silly take offs from the first in episode which was enjoyable light weight entertainment. Ewoks? I wanted them to be roasted and eaten with lots of beer. After that no thanks. Pale Rider resonates with me. "And his name was death."

Posted by: colfax mingo at November 11, 2017 09:08 PM (0n18S)

318 And the end...it's just opaque. Deliberately so, I feel.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2017 09:07 PM (xJa6I)

Opaque means deep, maaaan. Get with it.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 11, 2017 09:09 PM (ycWCI)

319 Because Hyams did this, the movie is very dated while 2001 which does make oblique reference to there still being rivalry between the US and USSR remains more timeless.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR)

Sorry comrade, but you failed to file proper forms for your daily oxygen ration. Just hold breath like good worker.

Posted by: Soviet HAL at November 11, 2017 09:09 PM (RFnEL)

320 299 ....She looked at me and said I would get a Chiefs one but I am so disappointed in what's going on there is no way I will spend one dime on anything NFL.
Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels at November 11, 2017 08:55 PM (CNHr1)
-------------------------
Good for her.
BUT....your story brings home how many innocent people are being hurt by their stupid actions.
Maddening.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 11, 2017 09:09 PM (0jtPF)

321 Keir Dullea says he was the one who came up with the idea of putting Bowman in that hotel suite at the end.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 09:10 PM (/weDQ)

322 Soviet HAL?

HALinsky?

Nyet.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 09:11 PM (/weDQ)

323 143 We can all agree that Karl Urban is a perfect middle-aged McCoy, right?

Posted by: Grump928(C) has drink taken at November 11, 2017 07:40 PM (60v4h) fnord (60v4h)

I'm trying to think of something he's done badly. Can't.

But, yes, he nailed McCoy.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 11, 2017 07:41 PM (wB8Tg)

He gives it his all, no matter what he's in.

Totally owned Dredd 3D

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2017 09:11 PM (xJa6I)

324 317 Star Trek series on tv were bad renditions of Greek tragedies. Star Wars was, imo, silly take offs from the first in episode which was enjoyable light weight entertainment. Ewoks? I wanted them to be roasted and eaten with lots of beer. After that no thanks. Pale Rider resonates with me. "And his name was death."
Posted by: colfax mingo at November 11, 2017 09:08 PM (0n18S)

I think you do them a disservice. There are some really great Original series episodes out there:
Balance of Terror (want a submarine movie? Character conflict between two enemies that come to a grudging respect for the other?)

Courtmartial (want to see a hero fight back against a faceless bureacracy trying to tear him down on trumped up charges?)

Ultimate Computer (Want to see how men deal with automation? The value of the human mind and soul?)

Doomsday Machine (Tragedy, loss, revenge, madness.)

Also some bad ones:
Spock's Brain (WTF?)

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 11, 2017 09:13 PM (ycWCI)

325 318 And the end...it's just opaque. Deliberately so, I feel.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2017 09:07 PM (xJa6I)

Opaque means deep, maaaan. Get with it.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 11, 2017 09:09 PM (ycWCI)

That's the frustrating thing. There IS depth in 2001. But it's being hidden and I feel on purpose. A movie shouldn't be a puzzle box and we shouldn't be trying to find the Lament Configuration.

Movies should be a story.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2017 09:13 PM (xJa6I)

326

I have private screenings of Spock's Rectum, my favorite episode. Shame NCIS found those cameras...

Posted by: George Sulu at November 11, 2017 09:14 PM (T/KY7)

327 He gives it his all, no matter what he's in.

Totally owned Dredd 3D
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2017 09:11 PM (xJa6I)

Shall we speak of "Doom"? Probably better not to...

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 11, 2017 09:14 PM (ycWCI)

328 Also some bad ones:
Spock's Brain (WTF?)
Posted by: Aetius451AD

What was the one with space hippies?

Posted by: Soviet HAL at November 11, 2017 09:14 PM (RFnEL)

329 lol.. Margarita.. so anecdotal because for the one she did not buy I sold 3 more. Some didn't care. But I admired her for her honesty and it proves the point I guess that SOME people are pissed off.

Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels at November 11, 2017 09:14 PM (CNHr1)

330 What I hated about it was that it was basically "The Changeling" only instead of The Changeling being inside the Enterprise, The Enterprise was inside of The Changeling.

Posted by: Noah Bawdy at November 11, 2017 09:15 PM (K4qvO)

331 Off red AI sock.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at November 11, 2017 09:15 PM (RFnEL)

332 TD MSU and back ahead. Alabama is really missing their starting linebackers.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has drink taken at November 11, 2017 09:15 PM (60v4h)

333 it was there.....then it wasn't

Posted by: Admiral Decker at November 11, 2017 09:15 PM (KCxzN)

334

The "Grups" episode with the kids was stupid. Bonk Bonk episode.



Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 11, 2017 09:15 PM (AO6Ao)

335 That's the frustrating thing. There IS depth in 2001. But it's being hidden and I feel on purpose. A movie shouldn't be a puzzle box and we shouldn't be trying to find the Lament Configuration.

Movies should be a story.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2017 09:13 PM (xJa6I)

Entertainment. Hah! Kubrick is much more interested in these films for himself.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 11, 2017 09:15 PM (ycWCI)

336 What was the one with space hippies?
Posted by: Soviet HAL at November 11, 2017 09:14 PM (RFnEL)

Way to Eden, I believe.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 11, 2017 09:16 PM (ycWCI)

337 >> But, yes, he nailed McCoy.

I've never seen any of the "new" Star Treks. "Enterprise" was the last one I paid any attention to.

I might just watch one.

Did they have Urban do the "Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor, not a _________" bit? And did he do it well, a proper homage?

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at November 11, 2017 09:16 PM (8O3HH)

338 "The Way to Eden" you Herbert

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 09:16 PM (/weDQ)

339

The one good spot of Spock's Brain was McCoy, initially overjoyed at his understanding of how to reattach the brain, struggling then terrified as the knowledge fades.

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at November 11, 2017 09:17 PM (T/KY7)

340 Look, if y'all are going to start running down Karl Urban, we're going to have to get drunk and fistfight. He wax grwst as Vaco.

Posted by: Yeah, so I platonically admire Karl Urban, what of it? at November 11, 2017 09:17 PM (H5knJ)

341 Did they have Urban do the "Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor, not a _________" bit? And did he do it well, a proper homage?
Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at November 11, 2017 09:16 PM (8O3HH)

Yes. You may be disappointed by other things, but McCoy is pitch perfect. The only actor to play the character, not the actor who played the character- or their interpretation of them.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 11, 2017 09:18 PM (ycWCI)

342 I was harassed and assaulted by Spock's Brain many times.

Posted by: Uhura at November 11, 2017 09:18 PM (Tyii7)

343 Way to Eden, I believe.
Posted by: Aetius451AD

Yeah, that's the one. They spend the whole time looking for their little hippie Eden, and when they get there, everything is toxic and kills them. Lulz

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at November 11, 2017 09:18 PM (RFnEL)

344
Doesn't matter. The last great Super Bowl was already played and in the books.

Atlanta Falcons will NEVER recover from that epic loss.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 11, 2017 09:18 PM (AO6Ao)

345 Aetius451Ad,

After 3 episodes I lost aall interest and stopped watching. Been there, long ago, and no desire to buy the t-shirt. If you enjoy it, that's okay by me. I just could not watch, and that's okay by me.

Posted by: colfax mingo at November 11, 2017 09:18 PM (0n18S)

346

I turned that game off at Halftime, too. I missed it.

Didn't know the Patriots won until the next morning.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 11, 2017 09:19 PM (AO6Ao)

347 345 Aetius451Ad,

After 3 episodes I lost aall interest and stopped watching. Been there, long ago, and no desire to buy the t-shirt. If you enjoy it, that's okay by me. I just could not watch, and that's okay by me.
Posted by: colfax mingo at November 11, 2017 09:18 PM (0n18S)

Fair enough. Do you dislike all sci-fi or just the big two?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 11, 2017 09:19 PM (ycWCI)

348
Crack my knuckles and jump for joy. Got a clean bill of health from Doctor McCoy!

Posted by: Adam, the space hippie at November 11, 2017 09:19 PM (IqV8l)

349 star trek tos was told moral fables. star trek tng was psychotherapy in space. a moral universe (would it be right to zap that creature?) vs therapy culture (how do we feel about zapping that creature).

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at November 11, 2017 09:21 PM (AxFdW)

350 335 That's the frustrating thing. There IS depth in 2001. But it's being hidden and I feel on purpose. A movie shouldn't be a puzzle box and we shouldn't be trying to find the Lament Configuration.

Movies should be a story.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2017 09:13 PM (xJa6I)

Entertainment. Hah! Kubrick is much more interested in these films for himself.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 11, 2017 09:15 PM (ycWCI)

Yeah, that's the impression I get.

I really do think he views his filmography as a puzzle for the elect to interpret.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 11, 2017 09:21 PM (xJa6I)

351 349 star trek tos was told moral fables. star trek tng was psychotherapy in space. a moral universe (would it be right to zap that creature?) vs therapy culture (how do we feel about zapping that creature).
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at November 11, 2017 09:21 PM (AxFdW)

Yes. Completely different cultures produced the two series- even with the same creator.

One confident. Sure.

The other hesitant. Mincing.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 11, 2017 09:22 PM (ycWCI)

352 Karl Urban nailed it. He's the one thing I like about the new movies. The rest is shit.

Posted by: Jackal at November 11, 2017 09:22 PM (o3+fQ)

353 From PuffHo:

"George Takei once talked about grabbing men to 'persuade' them to have sex - A resurfaced interview complicates the actor's denial of sexual assault allegations"


http://preview.tinyurl.com/ybu2blfd


Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at November 11, 2017 09:22 PM (e9G8E)

354 I must stay, Star Trek: TMP remains among my favorite ST movies ever made. (of course Wrath of Khan takes first prize)

That scene where they linger so lovingly over the Enterprise, the first time you see it: I know why it was there. My ST nerd friends and I had waited 12 long years to see a new ST production a new Enterprise, and I knew as I watched it that this long, lingering, loving scene was done to reward every day of the 12 years we had been waiting for it.

Also, the closeup shots of the Enterprise flying over V'ger in that close flyby will always be some of my favorite sci-fi visuals of all time. Those scenes captured all of the wonder of the unknown that is in my mind whenever I read truly great sci-fi.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 11, 2017 09:22 PM (V2Yro)

355

Hehe, hehe, Roddenburry let me sniff Uhura's bridge chair...

Posted by: H Weinerstein at November 11, 2017 09:23 PM (T/KY7)

356 "I don't like to talk about 2001 much because it's essentially a nonverbal experience. Less than half the film has dialogue. It attempts to communicate more to the subconscious and to the feelings than it does to the intellect. I think clearly that there's a basic problem with people who are not paying attention with their eyes. They're listening. And they don't get much from listening to this film. Those who wont believe with their eyes won't be able to appreciate this film." - Stanley Kubrick.

The Making of Kubrick's 2001. Edited by Jerome Agel. Signet. April 1970.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 09:23 PM (/weDQ)

357 329 lol.. Margarita.. so anecdotal because for the one she did not buy I sold 3 more. Some didn't care. But I admired her for her honesty and it proves the point I guess that SOME people are pissed off.
Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels at November 11, 2017 09:14 PM (CNHr1)
----------------------------------------
Yep.
And I'm glad you sold some anyway!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 11, 2017 09:23 PM (0jtPF)

358
I think my favorite is from the Horta episode when Kirk tells Bones to fix it up: "Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor, not a bricklayer".

The EMH (Emergency Medical Hologram) character was one, about the only one, I really liked on Voyager. He had some good ones, including "I'm a doctor, not a peeping Tom!"

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at November 11, 2017 09:25 PM (8O3HH)

359

Picard always sat uneasy in the Captain's chair.

Mainly because his asshole was so damn sore.

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at November 11, 2017 09:25 PM (T/KY7)

360

Rush says the NFL's days are almost over. And he's right, as usual.

NFL might not go away, but it's about to get a major overhaul as far as contact and rules are concerned. Will barely be anything that resembles the current game.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 11, 2017 09:26 PM (AO6Ao)

361 These new 2017 Salem Sexual Assault Witch Trials sure are fun!

Posted by: Uhura at November 11, 2017 09:26 PM (Tyii7)

362 Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 09:23 PM (/weDQ)

I am not above film telling a visual story. Done well, it can be perfect (First five minutes of "Up!" is a great example.) Kubrick was a master of the form, but too often he seems to be trying to work out things in his own head and not for an audience.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 11, 2017 09:26 PM (ycWCI)

363
The arc of Star Trek captains mirrors declining testosterone levels.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at November 11, 2017 09:26 PM (8O3HH)

364 "I don't like to talk about 2001 much because it's essentially a nonverbal experience. Less than half the film has dialogue. It attempts to communicate more to the subconscious and to the feelings than it does to the intellect. I think clearly that there's a basic problem with people who are not paying attention with their eyes. They're listening. And they don't get much from listening to this film. Those who wont believe with their eyes won't be able to appreciate this film." - Stanley Kubrick.

The Making of Kubrick's 2001. Edited by Jerome Agel. Signet. April 1970.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 09:23 PM (/weDQ)


In other words, "I'm a pretentious douchebag," - Stan Kubrick.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 11, 2017 09:26 PM (Pz4pT)

365 354
I must stay, Star Trek: TMP remains among my favorite ST movies ever made. (of course Wrath of Khan takes first prize)



That scene where they linger so lovingly over the Enterprise, the
first time you see it: I know why it was there. My ST nerd friends and
I had waited 12 long years to see a new ST production a new Enterprise,
and I knew as I watched it that this long, lingering, loving scene was
done to reward every day of the 12 years we had been waiting for it.



Also, the closeup shots of the Enterprise flying over V'ger in that
close flyby will always be some of my favorite sci-fi visuals of all
time. Those scenes captured all of the wonder of the unknown that is in
my mind whenever I read truly great sci-fi.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 11, 2017 09:22 PM (V2Yro)

===========
Bingo. It's there for a damn good reason. And, it's worth noting that the movie as far as grosses adjusted for inflation go, did pretty damn well. I think it made more money than First Contact. I grew up a big Star Trek fan and TMP actually leaves you with a sense of wonder. The Voyage Home, not so much.

Posted by: Jackal at November 11, 2017 09:27 PM (o3+fQ)

366 The EMH (Emergency Medical Hologram) character was one, about the only one, I really liked on Voyager. He had some good ones, including "I'm a doctor, not a peeping Tom!"
Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at November 11, 2017 09:25 PM (8O3HH)

I liked 2 things about Seven of Nine.

*rimshot*

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 11, 2017 09:27 PM (ycWCI)

367 >> I liked 2 things about Seven of Nine.

She also put the ass in assimilate.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at November 11, 2017 09:28 PM (8O3HH)

368 I think clearly that there's a basic problem with people who are not paying attention with their eyes.

Is Kubrick a dick, blaming his audience? WE decide how to watch movies, Monsieur Pretentious.

Posted by: t-bird at November 11, 2017 09:28 PM (7ulel)

369 349 star trek tos was told moral fables. star trek tng was psychotherapy in space. a moral universe (would it be right to zap that creature?) vs therapy culture (how do we feel about zapping that creature).
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at November 11, 2017 09:21 PM (AxFdW)


And then DS9 came along and went full "In the Pale Moon Light"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StF9jrhw-pU

And even questions the whole moral foundation of the Federation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy5jAixHhSA

Posted by: To Boldly Go Where No Hat Has Gone Before at November 11, 2017 09:28 PM (itfg0)

370 Man, Miss State is just overpowering Alabama's D. 21-17 and threatening going into the 4th.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has drink taken at November 11, 2017 09:28 PM (60v4h)

371 Karl Urban rocks.

Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at November 11, 2017 09:28 PM (hMwEB)

372

DS9: Al Gore administration in space.

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at November 11, 2017 09:29 PM (T/KY7)

373 "The Corbomite Maneuver comes to mind. Or at least a reach around."

Threadwinner!

Posted by: JAS at November 11, 2017 09:29 PM (Oj1RP)

374 *eyeing the 'ettes picking up the knives*

None of us are saying Karl Urban is not great!

But have you seen "Doom"?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 11, 2017 09:30 PM (ycWCI)

375

The DS9 Ferengi however could be entertaining when played well.

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at November 11, 2017 09:30 PM (T/KY7)

376 See 2001 being mentioned in this thread - can't read all the comments, but has anyone noted yet that the spacesuits that Kirk and Spock wear for their excursion in ST:TMP were props leftover from the 2001 production?

Even NASA people have said that they wished their suits looked like that.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 11, 2017 09:30 PM (V2Yro)

377 9,
"Freaked, are those the ones that look like an album? I have a shit ton of those and the player."
Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels at November 11, 2017 06:50 PM (CNHr1)


Ditto. Several players since I never know if they will hold up. I've transferred most LDs to DVD now to watch even if I've bought the DVD too.

Posted by: geoffb at November 11, 2017 09:31 PM (zOpu5)

378 Moralizing quandaries in DS?

Nope.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGcAbI-4_io

Posted by: The Cloaked Hat at November 11, 2017 09:31 PM (itfg0)

379
Another one of my favorite EMH quips was, [insert technobabble] his advanced mobile emitter from the future merged with 7of9's nanobots and made a baby Borg somehow.

EMH was examining him and make one of his dry quips, which the drone didn't get it all. He said, "I see you've inherited your mother's sense of humor."

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at November 11, 2017 09:31 PM (8O3HH)

380 299 A little tidbit. I did a craft show today (and tomorrow). Anyhoo.. I have lots of Royals and Chiefs bracelets.
Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels at November 11, 2017 08:55 PM


Jewell, do you have an Etsy store? Am very interested.

Posted by: Shopgirl: Congrats Alex Gordon, Wilson Defensive PoY at November 11, 2017 09:31 PM (IpsQV)

381 369
349 star trek tos was told moral fables. star trek tng was
psychotherapy in space. a moral universe (would it be right to zap that
creature?) vs therapy culture (how do we feel about zapping that
creature).

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at November 11, 2017 09:21 PM (AxFdW)



And then DS9 came along and went full "In the Pale Moon Light"



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StF9jrhw-pU



And even questions the whole moral foundation of the Federation:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy5jAixHhSA

Posted by: To Boldly Go Where No Hat Has Gone Before at November 11, 2017 09:28 PM (itfg0)

===========
Amen to that. Ballsy as hell. Of all the Captains, Kirk is the only one who would have made the same decision. And Avery Brooks is what Sam Jackson wishes he was.

Posted by: Jackal at November 11, 2017 09:32 PM (o3+fQ)

382 Hmm...I seem to vaguely recall Yeoman Rand grabbing my ass a time or two.

Posted by: Uhura at November 11, 2017 09:32 PM (Tyii7)

383 lol.. yeah Marguarita.. it was all good. It was a pretty good day. If I do as well tomorrow as today I will be happy.

Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels at November 11, 2017 09:33 PM (CNHr1)

384 Shopgirl.. yes. Prettys4youbyJulie. Thank you!

Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels at November 11, 2017 09:34 PM (CNHr1)

385
One of my favorites from DS9 was when Jadzia and Worf finally got it on, and came stumbling into sick bay. Doctor whatshisname explained how broken bones and contusions were common in Klingon mating practices.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at November 11, 2017 09:34 PM (8O3HH)

386 24-17 MissState.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has drink taken at November 11, 2017 09:35 PM (60v4h)

387 Hey everybody. Late to another movie thread, sheeeiiiit.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 11, 2017 09:35 PM (eMKNe)

388 62 Okay, not Star Trek, but I rewatched Coal Miner's Daughter last week. It's truly a fine, well acted film although a bit thin on the ending. Sissy Spasek, Tommy Lee Jones and Levon Helm are perfect.

As for sci-fi series, I like Babylon Five. There is one episode where two mechanics are the leads. You get to see the principles through their eyes. I can't imagine Star Trek doing something like that.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 11, 2017 07:10 PM (Lqy/e)


There was a TNG episode that centered around previously unknown bit characters.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at November 11, 2017 09:36 PM (Bl5Zt)

389 Miami putting the hurt on Notre Dame 20-0.
Miss State leading Alabama by 7.
Hmmmm. Very.... interesting.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 11, 2017 09:36 PM (0jtPF)

390 Kubrick was a true auteur. He made movies for himself but knew he had to make box office to do his next project.

A recurring theme is what makes humans human. e.g HAL is more human than the astronauts.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 11, 2017 09:36 PM (pV/54)

391 Aestius, well that was what Kubirck was doing. Making what he considered the proverbial good science fiction movie. That is the risk of being like Prometheus and reaching for the fire.

The ST:TMP space suits share design similarities with those aboard Discovery but are not the same. The ST:TMP suits are bulkier for one thing. How both suits have those concentric rings around elbows and knees, go look at some of the early NASA suit designs for the Moon mission and you will see a correlation. Just as the 2010 space suits are basically NASA Shuttle suits.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 09:36 PM (/weDQ)

392 One of my favorites from DS9 was when Jadzia and Worf finally got it on, and came stumbling into sick bay. Doctor whatshisname explained how broken bones and contusions were common in Klingon mating practices.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at November 11, 2017 09:34 PM (8O3HH)

I just call him Dr. Friendzone.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at November 11, 2017 09:36 PM (Bl5Zt)

393 And I take care of my ettes and rons.. I will stand by whatever I make for you. As careful as I am sometimes shit happens and I will always make it right.

Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels at November 11, 2017 09:36 PM (CNHr1)

394 Art is only valid in the eye of the beholder. What i can judge shit may be art in the eyes of others and vice versa. My eyes, ears, and my sensibilities dictate what I consider worth of my attention. ymmv

Posted by: colfax mingo at November 11, 2017 09:37 PM (0n18S)

395 Ignoramus: yup.

Kubrick also knew how to do quality films within the budget and on schedule.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 11, 2017 09:37 PM (eMKNe)

396 I remember back on Usenet, one of the greatest flamewars of all time I ever saw was titled: " Best Captain: Kirk, Picard, Sisko, or That Bitch???"'

That thread lasted for weeks, maybe months. It was glorious.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 11, 2017 09:38 PM (V2Yro)

397 I know who was the worst: Picard.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has drink taken at November 11, 2017 09:39 PM (60v4h)

398 "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" is the only Star Trek film that can legitimately be called "science fiction." The rest are all adventure films that happen to be set in space.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 11, 2017 09:40 PM (l9m7l)

399 Tom Servo and thus was spawned "101 Reasons Why Kirk is Better than Picard."

One of the reasons: Kirk never lost a girlfriend to an intergalactic busy body named after a letter of the alphabet.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 09:40 PM (/weDQ)

400
There was a Cracked (I think) parody of Voyager. In the opening panel, they had a hilarious caricature of Peter Falk as Columbo on a view screen, saying "Take my wife, please!"

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at November 11, 2017 09:40 PM (8O3HH)

401 "The ST:TMP space suits share design similarities with those aboard Discovery but are not the same."

They painted them different colors, but actually, they are the same. And by that I mean exactly, literally, physically the same suits. There were still in the prop warehouse and ST:TMP used them to save money.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 11, 2017 09:40 PM (V2Yro)

402 28, 26

Only like 24 people ever bought laser disc players. The laser disc
was a total flop from the very start. No one was interested in them,
really.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 11, 2017 06:58 PM (8gDQu)


======


Except people who saw the quality of the VHS and said, "Dear Lord, no."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at November 11, 2017 06:59 PM (Jj43a)


LD had two other things over VHS, no Macrovision as copy protect wouldn't work on that format and the discs of recent movies would show up to buy right after the film left the theaters unlike VHS which might be 6 month to a year to buy one so the rental places could make money.

And for anime it was better than DVD because no region coding though some of us did get DVD players that defeated region codes.

Posted by: geoffb at November 11, 2017 09:41 PM (zOpu5)

403 "the spacesuits that Kirk and Spock wear for their excursion in ST:TMP were props leftover from the 2001 production?"

Kubrick destroyed the space models form 2001 precisely so they wouldn't wind get used in schlocky B productions years later.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 11, 2017 09:41 PM (pV/54)

404 Hmm...I seem to vaguely recall Yeoman Rand grabbing my ass a time or two.
Posted by: Uhura

Go on...

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at November 11, 2017 09:43 PM (RFnEL)

405 397
I know who was the worst: Picard.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has drink taken at November 11, 2017 09:39 PM (60v4h)

============
Disagree. Janeway was worse. She was at times written as a Mary Sue, which instantly alienates me.

Posted by: Jackal at November 11, 2017 09:44 PM (o3+fQ)

406 376 See 2001 being mentioned in this thread - can't read all the comments, but has anyone noted yet that the spacesuits that Kirk and Spock wear for their excursion in ST:TMP were props leftover from the 2001 production?

Even NASA people have said that they wished their suits looked like that.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 11, 2017 09:30 PM (V2Yro)


Not sure about that, but the spacesuits used on the Babylon 5 time travel/Babylon 4/"The one" episodes *were* repurposed 2001 suits. JMS talked about it at length in the talkbacks.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at November 11, 2017 09:44 PM (Bl5Zt)

407

Although N.N. was well known for boning her way to the top with G. Rod, she much preferred young white blond clam and often had a couple in her trailer for down time fun.

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at November 11, 2017 09:45 PM (T/KY7)

408 Disagree. Janeway was worse. She was at times written as a Mary Sue, which instantly alienates me.
Posted by: Jackal at November 11, 2017 09:44 PM (o3+fQ)

Also, I did not see many of the Voyager series but did catch the one where they crapped all over TOS.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 11, 2017 09:45 PM (ycWCI)

409 Almost everything from 2001 prop-wise was destroyed a few years after the movie was made. When they were making 2010 they had to recreate everything by looking at the original movie from Discovery's bridge to the suits.

One of the few props to survive until 2010 started production was the Zero-G toilet instructions Dr. Floyd reads on the trip to the Moon. Profiles in History in an episode on SyFy came across what looked like Poole's backpack but it was one created for promotional purposes and not film used.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 09:46 PM (/weDQ)

410 Disagree. Janeway was worse. She was at times written as a Mary Sue, which instantly alienates me.
Posted by: Jackal

And now we have STD, which is expressly about Lt. Mary Sue.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at November 11, 2017 09:46 PM (RFnEL)

411 Picard overruled Star Fleet Command and took it upon himself to committed treason against the Federation over the the Star Fleet cloaking device.

He should have been spaced.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has drink taken at November 11, 2017 09:46 PM (60v4h)

412 I'm sorry, the suits were from the sequel, 2010.

http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/guide/020.html

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at November 11, 2017 09:46 PM (Bl5Zt)

413 410
Disagree. Janeway was worse. She was at times written as a Mary Sue, which instantly alienates me.

Posted by: Jackal



And now we have STD, which is expressly about Lt. Mary Sue.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at November 11, 2017 09:46 PM (RFnEL)

=============
Which is why I've avoided that stack of shit like the plague. As far as I'm concerned: It. Does. Not. Exist.
Period.

Posted by: Jackal at November 11, 2017 09:48 PM (o3+fQ)

414 Which is why I've avoided that stack of shit like the plague. As far as I'm concerned: It. Does. Not. Exist.
Period.

Posted by: Jackal at November 11, 2017 09:48 PM (o3+fQ)


I've avoided everything after the 2009 reboot movie. Those are abominations.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at November 11, 2017 09:49 PM (Bl5Zt)

415 411
Picard overruled Star Fleet Command and took it upon himself to
committed treason against the Federation over the the Star Fleet
cloaking device.



He should have been spaced.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has drink taken at November 11, 2017 09:46 PM (60v4h)

===========
Yeah, but Janeway actually got people killed.

Posted by: Jackal at November 11, 2017 09:50 PM (o3+fQ)

416 Alabama has to go for it on 4th and 4.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has drink taken at November 11, 2017 09:50 PM (60v4h)

417 Thanks Jewell!! Sent you a message.

Posted by: Shopgirl: Congrats Alex Gordon, Wilson Defensive PoY at November 11, 2017 09:50 PM (IpsQV)

418 STD is in the same pocket universe of non-existence as The Final Frontier and Abram Trek. I am willing to watch Voyager or Enterprise over STD, that should clue anyone in on how much I dislike it.

As been noted before, the ship design for STD actually comes Star Trek Phase II.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 09:50 PM (/weDQ)

419

Bailed after the second TNG movie, haven't seen anything since. Did I miss anything?

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at November 11, 2017 09:51 PM (T/KY7)

420 419

Bailed after the second TNG movie, haven't seen anything since. Did I miss anything?
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at November 11, 2017 09:51 PM (T/KY7)

Not really.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 11, 2017 09:52 PM (ycWCI)

421 The drive in at Parker and Central. So many memories.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 11, 2017 07:34 PM (gC2IV)
Oh yeah Took sister (6 years younger) and her friends along with girlfriend (now wife). Lawn chairs, beer in cooler, fun Fun. Why is life so complicated now.

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 11, 2017 09:52 PM (bmkS9)

422 The worst Mary Sue character in all of Star Trek was Wesley Crusher, named for Gene Wesley Roddenberry.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 11, 2017 09:53 PM (V2Yro)

423 The TNG movies were just horrid. Especially when they tried to make Picard an action Captain like Kirk.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 09:53 PM (/weDQ)

424 Spec script for STD (or "Obama In Space")
Lt. Mary Sue: I am Lt. Mary Sue, the most intelligent human to have ever existed. Everything I do is right and everybody loves me. What does this button do?
[destroys planet of innocent people]
Let me be clear, mistakes were made...

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at November 11, 2017 09:53 PM (RFnEL)

425 TD Alabama All tied up 24-24.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has drink taken at November 11, 2017 09:55 PM (60v4h)

426

Wesley. I would pay good money for a CGR clip of him being fed feet first into a dilithium arc chamber. Real slowly.

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at November 11, 2017 09:55 PM (T/KY7)

427 I've avoided everything after the 2009 reboot movie. Those are abominations.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at November 11, 2017 09:49 PM (Bl5Zt)

===========
I've seen "Into Darkness". It had its good points: there were lots of stuff scattered in there for hardcore nerds like myself. I really liked the idea of Khan being recruited by Section 31 in the Kelvin timeline. OTOH, Uhura is a damn Mary Sue, Kirk is an idiotic frat boy, and Quinto makes the same mistake so many other actors playing Vulcans made: they play Vulcans as pointy eared androids. That said: I liked it right up until Abrams gives his version of the "Khaaaan!!!" scene: I called bullshit after I quit laughing.

Posted by: Jackal at November 11, 2017 09:56 PM (o3+fQ)

428 423 The TNG movies were just horrid. Especially when they tried to make Picard an action Captain like Kirk.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 09:53 PM (/weDQ)

They were almost unrelievedly horrible. However, there were elements I liked. Picard's speech in First Contact is good. Unfortunately, it is kind of reflected glory from Wrath of Khan and Moby Dick.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 11, 2017 09:56 PM (ycWCI)

429 Trump's tweet about how he'd never call Fat Boy "short and fat" may be his best yet. He's making it an art form, like haikus

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 11, 2017 09:56 PM (pV/54)

430 See a bit of OT, sports, so here's a sports-related item. By which I mean a national embarrassment int'l sports, crime-related item. By which I mean a line from the LATimes story on the (presumably) stupid UCLA round-ball guys now awaiting the process on a charge of shoplifting.

In a capsule summary of the Chinese judicial system, the article has this: "analysts have long decried a highly politicized system that lacks judicial independence".

Of course this is a reference to the criminal judicial system, which is probably crappy. But that sentence just exudes rich savory aromas of irony, coming from an American "newspaper", in 2017, about "politicized" judicial systems.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 11, 2017 09:56 PM (QDnY+)

431 Remember the TNG episode that should have been named "Wesley and the Traveling Alien from Planet NAMBLA"???

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 11, 2017 09:57 PM (V2Yro)

432 Posted by: Jeff Weimer at November 11, 2017 09:44 PM (Bl5Zt)

For what its worth, I'm another big fan of B5. I remember reading the usenet threads, moderated and unmoderated every week after an episode. Recorded it all and bought the DVDs when they came out. Just wish JMS had seen some of my money in his pocket, but Hollywood accounting screws people.

Posted by: geoffb at November 11, 2017 09:57 PM (zOpu5)

433

Also Wesley should be made to slurp on whatever Guinan has in xits crotch while being fed feet first into said dilithium arc chamber... and xit goes in next...

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at November 11, 2017 09:58 PM (T/KY7)

434 I remember what Pauline Kael wrote about the ending of 2001, something about that classic decor in the bedroom at the end of the film was a precursor to Barry Lyndon. Kubrick had a thing for the 18th Century, it seems.

Also in both Barry Lyndon and 2001, the characters are mannequin-like, lacking emotional connection to the audience. Both are cold films in that sense.

Posted by: Semi-engaged Scroller at November 11, 2017 09:59 PM (LQLeS)

435 422 The worst Mary Sue character in all of Star Trek was Wesley Crusher, named for Gene Wesley Roddenberry.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 11, 2017 09:53 PM (V2Yro)

And the guy that played him is a complete douche-canoe, too.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at November 11, 2017 09:59 PM (Bl5Zt)

436 Tuvok was probably the closest someone ever came to playing a Vulcan like Spock and Sarek.

Vulcans still have emotions, just they keep very tight reigns on them and channel it all via logic. One just has to look at the machinations of T'Pring to realize that.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 09:59 PM (/weDQ)

437 ONT

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 11, 2017 10:01 PM (pvjTE)

438 Oh and, TheJamesMadison, I've had my directors cut of TMP sitting on my Blu-Ray player for a few days. This post just tipped me over into rewatching it. I like damn near everything about it except for the CG Vulcan in it. I like the original version. It was a shitload more alien feeling.

Posted by: Jackal at November 11, 2017 10:01 PM (o3+fQ)

439 For what its worth, I'm another big fan of B5. I remember reading the usenet threads, moderated and unmoderated every week after an episode. Recorded it all and bought the DVDs when they came out. Just wish JMS had seen some of my money in his pocket, but Hollywood accounting screws people.

Posted by: geoffb at November 11, 2017 09:57 PM (zOpu5)

And we'll probably never see them on Netflix due to the incredibly convoluted rights ownership of the property.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at November 11, 2017 10:01 PM (Bl5Zt)

440 tangential sci-fi note: I think Farscape: Peacekeeper Wars has the best homage ever made to 2001 during Harvey's goodbye scene, as he's finally leaving Crichton's head. I enjoyed that.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 11, 2017 10:01 PM (V2Yro)

441

Thank you my fellow Vets and supporters for all you, we have done and will do. All give some, some give all.

Isaiah 6:8

We still run to the sound of the guns if needed.

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at November 11, 2017 10:02 PM (T/KY7)

442 440 tangential sci-fi note: I think Farscape: Peacekeeper Wars has the best homage ever made to 2001 during Harvey's goodbye scene, as he's finally leaving Crichton's head. I enjoyed that.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 11, 2017 10:01 PM (V2Yro)

Farscape is probably the best post TOS sci-fi show of all time. B5 had it's moments. Space:Above and Beyond was also good (although it does not age well.)

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 11, 2017 10:03 PM (ycWCI)

443 Wesley. I would pay good money for a CGR clip of him being fed feet first into a dilithium arc chamber. Real slowly.

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at November 11, 2017 09:55 PM (T/KY7)

Wesley was the prototype metrosexual pajamaboi millenial insolent asshole typical of today.

Posted by: old fart at November 11, 2017 10:04 PM (ONgqb)

444 436
Tuvok was probably the closest someone ever came to playing a Vulcan like Spock and Sarek.

Vulcans
still have emotions, just they keep very tight reigns on them and
channel it all via logic. One just has to look at the machinations of
T'Pring to realize that.


Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 11, 2017 09:59 PM (/weDQ)

===========
There's a scene in "Into Darkness" which drives home just how poorly Quinto plays Spock: in the movie Kirk violates the Prime Directive to save Spocks life. Kirk is sort of "creative" with his report. Spock is not and gets Kirk in trouble. Kirk is blindsided and feels betrayed. Spock is utterly confused by this: Spock and any other Vulcan might do the same damn thing but they sure as hell wouldn't be CONFUSED!!!!Say it with me people: VULCANS ARE NOT ANDROIDS!!!

Posted by: Jackal at November 11, 2017 10:07 PM (o3+fQ)

445 439
For what its worth, I'm another big fan of B5. I remember reading the
usenet threads, moderated and unmoderated every week after an episode.
Recorded it all and bought the DVDs when they came out. Just wish JMS
had seen some of my money in his pocket, but Hollywood accounting screws
people.



Posted by: geoffb at November 11, 2017 09:57 PM (zOpu5)



And we'll probably never see them on Netflix due to the incredibly convoluted rights ownership of the property.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at November 11, 2017 10:01 PM (Bl5Zt)

=========
And that's why you ain't prying my DVDs from me. B5 is fucking EPIC!

Posted by: Jackal at November 11, 2017 10:09 PM (o3+fQ)

446 ONT up

Posted by: rickb223 at November 11, 2017 10:09 PM (khWYc)

447 I will second that the director's cut is excellent. It tightens up the pace a bit and the film doesn't drag anymore (at least in my opinion). The movie has a sense of scale, big sets, big ships, big effects, and big ideas. I rate it behind Khan.

Posted by: Darth Randall at November 11, 2017 10:19 PM (6n332)

448 God's Blood what a game.

TD Alabama.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has drink taken at November 11, 2017 10:19 PM (60v4h)

449 Wesley was the prototype metrosexual pajamaboi millenial insolent asshole typical of today.
Posted by: old fart at November 11, 2017 10:04 PM (ONgqb)

Wil Wheaton is that in real life. He shat out a tweet mocking the church shooting victims for their prayers. He did apologize, but that didn't save him from having been a dick.

Posted by: stace at November 11, 2017 10:20 PM (6HFDU)

450 rickb, what the hell are you doing in Spring/Cypress?

Those are my stomping grounds.

Posted by: Cybersmythe at November 11, 2017 10:24 PM (jT9wB)

451 I really like The Orville.

Posted by: TheGarbone at November 11, 2017 10:44 PM (9dH/8)

452 I always thought that the mystery of ST 1 - what is this Veejur? - was actually very smart, but would have worked better in a shorter format, of 2-hour TV movie length. If memory serves (and I will not look it up), John Dykstra was hired to do the special effects, but was either late in delivering them or delivered a lot of shots that were unusable. Therefore, the principal photography was done without anyone knowing what the effects would look like. That, in turn, accounts for why a lot of time was spent woth the crew e film was shot without t

Posted by: Darwin Akbar at November 11, 2017 10:46 PM (FI3UE)

453 ...to finish, the cast was filmed staring at screens, 'cause the footage of what they were staring at was added later.

Posted by: Darwin Akbar at November 11, 2017 10:48 PM (FI3UE)

454 The Paramount Pinheads could have saved themselves a lot of grief if they had not left those fifteen or so minutes on the cutting room floor. It isn't until you see the Extended Cut that you realize what a horrible mistake Paramount made by trying to keep the movie under two hours to keep the theater owners happy with 120 minutes or less. As a card carrying member of a certain segment of Trek fandom, I heard every last certain argument, and I honestly believe that those fifteen minutes would have shut most of my section of fandom up before the screaming and hating ever even began. Basically, those fifteen minutes knitted up a lot of loose ends that left everyone's mouths hung open. Why did Scotty bring the body of that young ensign to the bridge? Why did What's 'er name declare she had a certificate of celibacy on record? So many things that left us scratching our heads that could have been answered quickly and easily. The novelization made some things worse. Just at that point, Trek was fighting the Slash Wars. (Slash = Kirk and Spock were lovers. In Wars, Slash was generally portrayed as Luke/Han.) In the novelization, there was a very long footnote that could be seen as either rejecting Slash or embracing it. The upshot was that in my little corner of fandom, both the movie as originally cut and the novelization brought to a head several issues that had been bubbling underneath the surface for at least two years prior to the movie's release. I did the intelligent thing, and moved over into Wars fandom -- at least until Wars got caught up in the Church of Ford and the Temple of Luke battle. In the past fifteen years, I haven't seen one can thing to lure me back to either fandom or any other one.

Posted by: Deplorable Lady with a Deplorable Basket of Deplorable Cats at November 11, 2017 11:07 PM (vYBY4)

455 When I got my big screen TV. TMP was the first movie I watched. Yes the plot is slow, but I think it helps the immersive experience the visuals produce.

Posted by: MAGA at November 12, 2017 12:13 AM (LnOh3)

456 I don't agree that the lack of a clear antagonist was a bad thing. The recent Interstellar was phenomenal SF, and had no clear antagonist, either.

I once read an essay online about how The Original Series was actually right-wing. It was. So was Twilight Zone. Super-redpill stuff, all of it. Watch the originals of TZ and tell me I'm wrong.

When Roddenberry died, the whole franchise progressively, and ultimately became an megaphone for today's deranged SJW leftists. My folks I really liked Next Generation, and Deep Space 9, and Voyager. After that the SJWs converged it all.

Posted by: Wooly at November 12, 2017 12:21 AM (NCh45)

457 And the music in The Motion Picture is on par with the music for Blade Runner.

Star Wars didn't have any "tech" in the musical score. This movie does, as it should, because it's the freakin' future.

Lucas and Peter Jackson actually do destroy every script they touch. I disagree about Roddenberry. At least in T.O.S. He was rightwing and redpilled then.

Posted by: Wooly at November 12, 2017 12:25 AM (NCh45)

458 Brawl in Cellblock 99: Stay far, far away.

What a piece of shit.

Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at November 12, 2017 12:31 AM (H5knJ)

459 Good Morning Morons today is Sunday, November 12, 2017. On this day in 1936 the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge opened to traffic. I have been across that bridge many times and let me tell you, on a motorcycle it is an experience with all the wind gusts coming through the bay.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 12, 2017 05:52 AM (mpXpK)

460 Of course I miss The Karl Urban lovefest thread. Of course.

The "Grups" episode with the kids was stupid. Bonk Bonk episode.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 11, 2017 09:15 PM (AO6Ao)


That episode is frickin prescient. It shows what happens when the adults leave the room, and what's left are violent, selfish, stupid, thoughtless, rudderless Emo-Jimas.

Posted by: Gem at November 12, 2017 05:57 AM (XoAz8)

461

We watched Blade of the Immortal this weekend.

Not bad if you like that genre. Just about 30 minutes too long. 2 hours 20 min movie.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5084170/?ref_=nv_sr_3

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 12, 2017 07:48 AM (fceHP)

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 12, 2017 07:50 AM (fceHP)

463 Really disappointed with 3 Billboards! After seeing the clip I really wanted to see it - but nooooo. I live in a small po-dunk town (Tampa-St Pete-Clearwater area) and it will not be shown there! Now I see why people pirate movies and I don't blame them one bit!

Posted by: wayne at November 12, 2017 10:27 AM (+JFwL)

464 The first five minutes in the space dock makes the entire movie worth watching. IMHO. Not really concerned about the story or non-story. Just didn't care. I wanted to be a crewman on the Enterprise and knew that I never would be. But I still wanted it. All visuals of the Enterprise in the movies made the movies worthwhile for me. And I liked Capt. Kirk. I even bought the Enterprise CAD Drawings book. Used to pore over it. Not sure where that book is now. But that's just me.

Posted by: Larry Geiger at November 12, 2017 05:16 PM (nX644)

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