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Weekend Gun Thread
As we all know the semi-automatic riffle has been at the center of the Left's howl for "gun control". Second amendment proponents have been repeatedly told the Founding Fathers didn't have anything more than a musket.
Not so fast Left Winger. 1718 saw the invention of the Puckle Gun.A ‘machine gun’ from the 1700s? The Puckle Gun puts a lie to the anti-Second Amendment narrative that says it was written with only single shot musket in mind.h/t Tim in Illinois
Ian from Forgotten Weapons is at the Institute of Military Technology, a fascinating museum located in Titusville, Florida. Today he’s examining a mostly original early 1700s Puckle Gun. The Puckle Gun was patented by London lawyer, inventor and author James Puckle in 1718. It was officially titled the Defence Gun and was a flintlock weapon with a revolver-like rotating cylinder of six to eleven shots.
We'll go back to single shot flintlocks when the MSM go back to the town cryer system, etc. etc. etc.
scumbag on the "NO GUNS" List and someone is hurt and/or killed what happens? Why the same government you work for just excuses your negligence and creates yet another law.
A bill introduced in the House last week aims to expand background check to cover firearm sales at gun shows, over the Internet or in classified ads. The measure, H.R.4240, has 39 lawmakers supporting the move, including two Republicans. U.S. Rep. Mike Thompson, D-Calf., said he aims to exclude criminals from gun purchases by mandating more checks and improving the current system.
We don't need any more laws. The government needs to do their GodDamn job.
She revealed that 38 states report fewer than 80 percent of felony convictions to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), which means there are seven million felony convictions that are unreported. "This is why this law needs to be enforced. But politicians have to call for those records to be submitted," Loesch said. She also noted that Kelley reportedly lied on Federal Form 4473, which prospective gun buyers must fill out. He reportedly checked a box indicating he had not been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence. "In 2010, you had 80,000 prohibited possessors that tried to purchase a firearm through their 4473. That's an actionable offense. And yet, guess how many of those were prosecuted? 44," Loesch said. "This has to change and politicians have to call for it, especially the ones calling for gun control today."
In the you can't fix
Stephanie Ruhle, anchor on MSNBC Live, is such a person. According to Mediaite, the following is an actual statement made by Ms. Rule on live television:
Why do you need any assault rifles? An assault rifle is different than a gun. A hunting enthusiast and one who needs an assault rifle, those are two different things.
What's going on in your world with firearms? Here in WI the White-Tail Deer Gun season is next weekend. The trusty old .30-06 is sighted in and ready. Although Mrs. MH has given her blessings on a new riffle. Wonder what I should get?
Comments
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First shot is mine.Who did I hit?
Posted by: saf at November 19, 2017 12:16 PM (cS/ge)
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Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 19, 2017 12:18 PM (/qEW2)
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I've had my eye on one of those new Ruger Precision rifles and now they are available in 6.5 Creedmoor. Me want.
Posted by: Guzalot at November 19, 2017 12:19 PM (schB/)
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Also, during the Revolutionary War, a lot of artillery was also privately owned. That continued through the Civil War, IIRC.
Posted by: RS at November 19, 2017 12:20 PM (CNQqJ)
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" Although Mrs. MH has given her blessings on a new riffle. Wonder what I should get?"
plasma rifle....rail gun
plasma rifle....rail gun
Posted by: BignJames at November 19, 2017 12:21 PM (GiOiK)
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it is a documented fact that gun control laws do not work. That last shooter was not supposed to be able to buy a gun yet his offense were never reported to the FBI database. In fact, I saw a number that said 90% of them were not reported.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 19, 2017 12:22 PM (mpXpK)
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It was far more effective than the initial prototype, the Pickle Gun.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at November 19, 2017 12:23 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 19, 2017 12:23 PM (mpXpK)
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the real weapons today are computers ... we must have computer device control now! Or we could just have FaceBook, Google, et al control access and searches.
But when the slaughterbots come ... it may not matter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsNKA7idF00
"fun part" starts at about 5:00 ... Hillary would have loved these for the deplorables.
But when the slaughterbots come ... it may not matter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsNKA7idF00
"fun part" starts at about 5:00 ... Hillary would have loved these for the deplorables.
Posted by: illiniwek at November 19, 2017 12:24 PM (/aIFg)
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BTW, you could also own cannons if you wanted including ships with cannons at the time of the 2nd Amendment with no criminal background check.
Most firearms laws at that time related to militia acts where you were required to possess military grade firearms, powder, and musket balls. Some townships regulated firearms primarily on discharging and concealed carry firearms but I have not found much if at all regulation of firearms at the Framing. Most of the regulations, especially in Southern states, came in concert with the increasingly onerous slave codes.
Most firearms laws at that time related to militia acts where you were required to possess military grade firearms, powder, and musket balls. Some townships regulated firearms primarily on discharging and concealed carry firearms but I have not found much if at all regulation of firearms at the Framing. Most of the regulations, especially in Southern states, came in concert with the increasingly onerous slave codes.
Posted by: whig at November 19, 2017 12:24 PM (s8rl2)
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What's going on in your world with firearms? Here in WI the White-Tail
Deer Gun season is next weekend. The trusty old .30-06 is sighted in and
ready. Although Mrs. MH has given her blessings on a new riffle. Wonder
what I should get?
Can you use a 30-06 in WI?
Deer Gun season is next weekend. The trusty old .30-06 is sighted in and
ready. Although Mrs. MH has given her blessings on a new riffle. Wonder
what I should get?
Can you use a 30-06 in WI?
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 19, 2017 12:25 PM (mpXpK)
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Dear Santa,
I've been a very very good boy this year and would like a new Glock 19 Gen V with Trijicon's for Christmas.
Thanks Santa
PS: A new Galco IWB holster would be nice too.
PPS:Mrs. Claus is hot
I've been a very very good boy this year and would like a new Glock 19 Gen V with Trijicon's for Christmas.
Thanks Santa
PS: A new Galco IWB holster would be nice too.
PPS:Mrs. Claus is hot
Posted by: Under Fire at November 19, 2017 12:26 PM (r9UYA)
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Although Mrs. MH has given her blessings on a new riffle. Wonder what I should get?
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Get a silenced muzzle loader in caliber "Thing That Goes Up." The Thing goes spinning off downrange and has devastating terminal effect, as well as making a cool "woop-woop-woop" noise in flight.
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Get a silenced muzzle loader in caliber "Thing That Goes Up." The Thing goes spinning off downrange and has devastating terminal effect, as well as making a cool "woop-woop-woop" noise in flight.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at November 19, 2017 12:27 PM (mH+yd)
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FWIW, even people caught by the instant background check as lying about disqualifiers are seldom if ever prosecuted.
"The report shows that, between 2008 and 2015, the FBI denied 556,496 gun purchases following background checks. During that time period, the report shows that only 254 false statements were even considered for prosecution, amounting to a 0.04 percent prosecution rate." From daily caller article, "Prosecutions for Lying on Gun Background Checks Fall to New Low" published in 2016.
No link as pixy doesnt like it.
"The report shows that, between 2008 and 2015, the FBI denied 556,496 gun purchases following background checks. During that time period, the report shows that only 254 false statements were even considered for prosecution, amounting to a 0.04 percent prosecution rate." From daily caller article, "Prosecutions for Lying on Gun Background Checks Fall to New Low" published in 2016.
No link as pixy doesnt like it.
Posted by: whig at November 19, 2017 12:27 PM (s8rl2)
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From Drudge:
Man arrested in wife's death says gun accidentally discharged during sex act
I guess she wdnt out with a bang.
Man arrested in wife's death says gun accidentally discharged during sex act
I guess she wdnt out with a bang.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at November 19, 2017 12:27 PM (Nwg0u)
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That Puckle Gun looks cool!
Heard nothing but great things about that Ruger Precision rifle.......affordable too.
Heard nothing but great things about that Ruger Precision rifle.......affordable too.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 19, 2017 12:27 PM (nUkMr)
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I've had my eye on one of those new Ruger Precision rifles and now they are available in 6.5 Creedmoor. Me want.
Posted by: Guzalot at November 19, 2017 12:19 PM (schB/)
I'm supposed to go shooting with a friend who bought a Thompson Arms bolt rife in 6.5 Creedmore, I will report when I get to shoot it.
It is supposed to be accurate like a .308 with far less recoil.
I am not sure I am a fan of the 6.5, but I have been told bullet design has improved since WWI. (Real rifle bullets are .458 caliber and weigh 405 grains, after all)
Posted by: Guzalot at November 19, 2017 12:19 PM (schB/)
I'm supposed to go shooting with a friend who bought a Thompson Arms bolt rife in 6.5 Creedmore, I will report when I get to shoot it.
It is supposed to be accurate like a .308 with far less recoil.
I am not sure I am a fan of the 6.5, but I have been told bullet design has improved since WWI. (Real rifle bullets are .458 caliber and weigh 405 grains, after all)
Posted by: Kindltot at November 19, 2017 12:27 PM (2K6fY)
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I'd love to have a Pickle Gun.
I'd love to have a Pickle Gun.
Posted by: soothsayerwing plover at November 19, 2017 12:27 PM (Gguds)
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First shot is mine.Who did I hit?
Posted by: saf at November 19, 2017 12:16 PM (cS/ge)
You couldn't hit an elephant at that dist....
Posted by: saf at November 19, 2017 12:16 PM (cS/ge)
You couldn't hit an elephant at that dist....
Posted by: General John Sedgwick at November 19, 2017 12:28 PM (T71PA)
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I'm seeing a lot of alternative media chatter saying that a USMC MEU landed at Langley VA.
example: https://is.gd/aq9Ewl
WTF?
example: https://is.gd/aq9Ewl
WTF?
Posted by: Bigby's Groping Hands at November 19, 2017 12:28 PM (z2W2E)
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Just got the ruger precision rifle, not in 308. Know 6.5 is supposed to be superior but I couldn't stand thought of having to stock up on another caliber of ammo. Haven't shot it yet.
Posted by: SteveOReno at November 19, 2017 12:28 PM (G+HiC)
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I would get the Tikka T3x in 6.5 Creedmoor with a Vortex Viper PST Gen II 2-10x32 FFP Riflescope.
The Tikka costs about the same as a Remington 700, bit MUCH better quality and trigger.
All together you would be looking at two grand.
You could always get a red rider B.B. gun with a compass in the stock...
The Tikka costs about the same as a Remington 700, bit MUCH better quality and trigger.
All together you would be looking at two grand.
You could always get a red rider B.B. gun with a compass in the stock...
Posted by: JimmyGee at November 19, 2017 12:28 PM (ld/f6)
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Can you use a 30-06 in WI?
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 19, 2017 12:25 PM (mpXpK)I'm gonna guess it's like Minnesota. Farm feilds no, woods yes.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 19, 2017 12:25 PM (mpXpK)I'm gonna guess it's like Minnesota. Farm feilds no, woods yes.
Posted by: X-ray at November 19, 2017 12:29 PM (VDQek)
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4 Also, during the Revolutionary War, a lot of artillery was also privately owned. That continued through the Civil War, IIRC.
Posted by: RS at November 19, 2017 12:20 PM (CNQqJ)
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there are privately owned operable cannons today
http://www.hernandosportsmansclub .com/cannon.htm
Posted by: RS at November 19, 2017 12:20 PM (CNQqJ)
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there are privately owned operable cannons today
http://www.hernandosportsmansclub .com/cannon.htm
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at November 19, 2017 12:29 PM (vChNs)
Posted by: Duke of Righteous WTF? at November 19, 2017 12:30 PM (T71PA)
Posted by: daninmichigan at November 19, 2017 12:30 PM (M7U30)
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My Barber told me that his family back in WI bear hunt these days. Things in WI have changed since the last time I was up that was.
Posted by: Big V at November 19, 2017 12:30 PM (MVE/7)
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20 I'm seeing a lot of alternative media chatter saying that a USMC MEU landed at Langley VA.
example: https://is.gd/aq9Ewl
WTF?
Wow!
example: https://is.gd/aq9Ewl
WTF?
Wow!
Posted by: Under Fire at November 19, 2017 12:31 PM (r9UYA)
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Mr. Puckle advertised that his gun could fire round bullets against Christians, and square bullets against Turks.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at November 19, 2017 12:31 PM (1ouh3)
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23 Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 19, 2017
12:25 PM (mpXpK)I'm gonna guess it's like Minnesota. Farm feilds no,
woods yes.
Posted by: X-ray at November 19, 2017 12:29 PM (VDQek)
I had heard that high caliber rifles were prohibited due to dense population. And that you had to use shotguns or bows.
12:25 PM (mpXpK)I'm gonna guess it's like Minnesota. Farm feilds no,
woods yes.
Posted by: X-ray at November 19, 2017 12:29 PM (VDQek)
I had heard that high caliber rifles were prohibited due to dense population. And that you had to use shotguns or bows.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 19, 2017 12:32 PM (mpXpK)
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15 From Drudge:
Man arrested in wife's death says gun accidentally discharged during sex act
I guess she wdnt out with a bang.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at November 19, 2017 12:27 PM (Nwg0u)
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I'm gonna take you down - down, down, down
So don't you fool around
I'm gonna pull it, pull it, pull the trigger
Shoot to thrill, play to kill
Too many women with too many pills
Shoot to thrill, play to kill
I got my gun at the ready, gonna fire at will
Yeah
Man arrested in wife's death says gun accidentally discharged during sex act
I guess she wdnt out with a bang.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at November 19, 2017 12:27 PM (Nwg0u)
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I'm gonna take you down - down, down, down
So don't you fool around
I'm gonna pull it, pull it, pull the trigger
Shoot to thrill, play to kill
Too many women with too many pills
Shoot to thrill, play to kill
I got my gun at the ready, gonna fire at will
Yeah
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at November 19, 2017 12:32 PM (vChNs)
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>Man arrested in wife's death says gun accidentally discharged during sex act
Ain't never gonna do it without your fez on.
>Man arrested in wife's death says gun accidentally discharged during sex act
Ain't never gonna do it without your fez on.
Posted by: Love Gun at November 19, 2017 12:32 PM (JoQAu)
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"What's going on in your world with firearms?"
Shipping my G20 slide off tomorrow to be milled for a Trijicon RMR. It already has a KKM precision barrel and Surefire light, so when it's done it'll be like a mega- Roland Special, though no compensator. With an extended capacity mag, I prefer to think of it as a 10mm death ray.
Shipping my G20 slide off tomorrow to be milled for a Trijicon RMR. It already has a KKM precision barrel and Surefire light, so when it's done it'll be like a mega- Roland Special, though no compensator. With an extended capacity mag, I prefer to think of it as a 10mm death ray.
Posted by: Bacon Jeff at November 19, 2017 12:33 PM (3JQ/p)
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308 vs 6.5 Creedmore. I know most of the arguments, but not convinced about 6.5. Would like to know the Horde's thoughts on this. Haven't shot 6.5 yet.
Posted by: SteveOReno at November 19, 2017 12:35 PM (G+HiC)
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A canon attached to a riding mower--now that would be something for the neighbors to see.
Posted by: fly gal at November 19, 2017 12:36 PM (Kj7KZ)
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I'm pickling about 800 rounds of ammo.
well, putting it in those vacuum freezer bag things.
Pretty cheap and easy, and should keep moisture from migrating into the boxes over the years before the apocalypse.
well, putting it in those vacuum freezer bag things.
Pretty cheap and easy, and should keep moisture from migrating into the boxes over the years before the apocalypse.
Posted by: illiniwek at November 19, 2017 12:37 PM (/aIFg)
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I had heard that high caliber rifles were prohibited due to dense population. And that you had to use shotguns or bows.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 19, 2017 12:32 PM (mpXpK)
We have several zones in Minnesota. Flat farmland is shotgun only. Up north in the woods you can use rifles.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 19, 2017 12:32 PM (mpXpK)
We have several zones in Minnesota. Flat farmland is shotgun only. Up north in the woods you can use rifles.
Posted by: X-ray at November 19, 2017 12:37 PM (VDQek)
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Been a while since I saw/commented on a gun thread. Let's see, what have I got since then?
A Browning BDA .380, because it's so darn pretty. Wood grips and blue steel.
Hungarian Hi-Power copy. Ditto.
A Beretta 85F (probably Italian police surplus), because it's so darn pretty. And I'm a Beretta whore. Also have an M9 and a 1934.
Ruger Service Six, stainless, .357. Been on the lookout for years.
M1 Carbine style stock for my 10/22, along with appropriate aftermarket front and rear sights (can't recall the brand). Darn if the little bugger doesn't look an M1 from 15 feet away, especially with the sling and oiler.
A Browning BDA .380, because it's so darn pretty. Wood grips and blue steel.
Hungarian Hi-Power copy. Ditto.
A Beretta 85F (probably Italian police surplus), because it's so darn pretty. And I'm a Beretta whore. Also have an M9 and a 1934.
Ruger Service Six, stainless, .357. Been on the lookout for years.
M1 Carbine style stock for my 10/22, along with appropriate aftermarket front and rear sights (can't recall the brand). Darn if the little bugger doesn't look an M1 from 15 feet away, especially with the sling and oiler.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at November 19, 2017 12:38 PM (1ouh3)
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A canon attached to a riding mower--now that would be something for the neighbors to see.
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Rand Paul should have had one.
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Rand Paul should have had one.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at November 19, 2017 12:39 PM (Nwg0u)
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>>>>She also noted that Kelley reportedly lied on Federal Form 4473, which
prospective gun buyers must fill out. He reportedly checked a box
indicating he had not been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime
of domestic violence.
.
.
.And the Air Force is on the hook for 29 wrongful death Civil Suits. I read where they are expecting to pay out over $1 Billion to settle all of the lawsuits coming up.
prospective gun buyers must fill out. He reportedly checked a box
indicating he had not been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime
of domestic violence.
.
.
.And the Air Force is on the hook for 29 wrongful death Civil Suits. I read where they are expecting to pay out over $1 Billion to settle all of the lawsuits coming up.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 19, 2017 12:40 PM (+Dllb)
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What's new for me?
I found a great trove of pre-war Sauer .32's and beggared myself buying about half of an extensive collection.
A dozen rare models... stuff I never thought I would find. WWI Imperial German Army marked, 1913 Austrian Police, Munich Police marked (a 6.35mm), an insanely rare Royal Dutch Navy, an English export version with the "Sauer and Sons" slide legend, a Bavarian Police Berhorden model with both matching serial mags and matching serial holster, a Prussian Eagle marked WWI issue, 2 1913's with 3-digit serials. (3) 1929 Amsterdam Police.... and others. All for prices that seemed like mistakes (and were).
Completed a section of the pre-war .32 collection in One. Swell. Foop.
I'll be eating lawn clippings and windfall fruit for a year to pay it off.
I found a great trove of pre-war Sauer .32's and beggared myself buying about half of an extensive collection.
A dozen rare models... stuff I never thought I would find. WWI Imperial German Army marked, 1913 Austrian Police, Munich Police marked (a 6.35mm), an insanely rare Royal Dutch Navy, an English export version with the "Sauer and Sons" slide legend, a Bavarian Police Berhorden model with both matching serial mags and matching serial holster, a Prussian Eagle marked WWI issue, 2 1913's with 3-digit serials. (3) 1929 Amsterdam Police.... and others. All for prices that seemed like mistakes (and were).
Completed a section of the pre-war .32 collection in One. Swell. Foop.
I'll be eating lawn clippings and windfall fruit for a year to pay it off.
Posted by: retropox at November 19, 2017 12:40 PM (y6AEz)
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40 .And the Air Force is on the hook for 29 wrongful
death Civil Suits. I read where they are expecting to pay out over $1
Billion to settle all of the lawsuits coming up.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 19, 2017 12:40 PM (+Dllb)
The AF is not paying out shit, the tax payers are.
death Civil Suits. I read where they are expecting to pay out over $1
Billion to settle all of the lawsuits coming up.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 19, 2017 12:40 PM (+Dllb)
The AF is not paying out shit, the tax payers are.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 19, 2017 12:40 PM (mpXpK)
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Whatever rifle you buy I hope it isn't black, with a folding stock and one of those up-thingees. Those sorts of rifles are evil and really should be banned, as we all know.
Posted by: Sally Kohn at November 19, 2017 12:41 PM (ylUqT)
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For once, I have something to report on a gun thread. #4 kidlet told me yesterday that the gun range and shop in Peoria closed. She doesn't know why, but she said they were pretty loose on their ladies nights. She enjoyed those tremendously and was getting good. Cost up here in NoIll is prohibitive, so Peoria folks, let us know what happened.
Posted by: mustbequantum at November 19, 2017 12:43 PM (MIKMs)
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 19, 2017 12:43 PM (+Dllb)
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@42 The AF is not paying out shit, the tax payers are.
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Sadly.
Congress needs to say something along the lines of, "For every X dollars in lawsuit payouts your department has, you lose Y amount in your next budget." That's about the only thing that would get their attention.
(And before someone suggests that Y=X, it'd be hard enough getting Congress to make them liable for just part of the suit, let alone all of it).
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Sadly.
Congress needs to say something along the lines of, "For every X dollars in lawsuit payouts your department has, you lose Y amount in your next budget." That's about the only thing that would get their attention.
(And before someone suggests that Y=X, it'd be hard enough getting Congress to make them liable for just part of the suit, let alone all of it).
Posted by: junior at November 19, 2017 12:45 PM (cSguU)
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>>> .And the Air Force is on the hook for 29 wrongful
death Civil Suits. I read where they are expecting to pay out over $1
Billion to settle all of the lawsuits coming up.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 19, 2017 12:40 PM (+Dllb)
The AF is not paying out shit, the tax payers are.
.
.
.They are sending you a bill Vic.
death Civil Suits. I read where they are expecting to pay out over $1
Billion to settle all of the lawsuits coming up.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 19, 2017 12:40 PM (+Dllb)
The AF is not paying out shit, the tax payers are.
.
.
.They are sending you a bill Vic.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 19, 2017 12:45 PM (+Dllb)
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>>Although Mrs. MH has given her blessings on a new riffle. Wonder
what I should get?
Model 70 ( one of the models with the Claw Extractor).
...preferably a pre 64.
what I should get?
Model 70 ( one of the models with the Claw Extractor).
...preferably a pre 64.
Posted by: garrett at November 19, 2017 12:46 PM (TD/W3)
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I tried the Al Franken attachment to my muzzleloader, but it just made it louder. Any suggestions?
Posted by: mindful webworker's peacekeepers at November 19, 2017 12:48 PM (/IMJl)
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Can someone recommend a good feral hog hunt. That is my intended b-day and xmas gift to my dad. Ideally location will not be east of OK so we could drive there and back comfortably. Could go from camp in nearby campground and hunt only to an inclusive package if the package was not too $$ high end.
Thanks in advance. I have to do some outside stuff but will check back later.
Thanks in advance. I have to do some outside stuff but will check back later.
Posted by: PaleRider, simply irredeemable at November 19, 2017 12:48 PM (84F5k)
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Just finished my first foray into the AR10 platform. A PSA 18" upper on a PSA lower. Every bit as accurate as my other .308's but seems a little lighter on the recoil. Thought about the 6.5 Creedmore but didn't want to add a new and expensive round to the mix.
Posted by: Agitator at November 19, 2017 12:50 PM (o44PO)
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When the Bill of Rights was written, the musket WAS a military style weapon.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 19, 2017 12:51 PM (gC2IV)
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>>>>
Can someone recommend a good feral hog hunt. That is my intended b-day
and xmas gift to my dad. Ideally location will not be east of OK so we
could drive there and back comfortably. Could go from camp in nearby
campground and hunt only to an inclusive package if the package was not
too $$ high end.
Thanks in advance. I have to do some outside stuff but will check back later.
.
.
.You can come here to NE Texas and pick up the road kill in the morning from people hitting them the night before.
The most I have seen hit at one time was 6. Two nice big ones and 4 little porkers smashed all over Texas 121 down past Trenton heading to Dallas.
Can someone recommend a good feral hog hunt. That is my intended b-day
and xmas gift to my dad. Ideally location will not be east of OK so we
could drive there and back comfortably. Could go from camp in nearby
campground and hunt only to an inclusive package if the package was not
too $$ high end.
Thanks in advance. I have to do some outside stuff but will check back later.
.
.
.You can come here to NE Texas and pick up the road kill in the morning from people hitting them the night before.
The most I have seen hit at one time was 6. Two nice big ones and 4 little porkers smashed all over Texas 121 down past Trenton heading to Dallas.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 19, 2017 12:51 PM (+Dllb)
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Got a new Sig Sauer MK25 in 9mm. Hoping to shoot it Tuesday night at our gun club. I still prefer DA pistols.
Posted by: SteveOReno at November 19, 2017 12:58 PM (G+HiC)
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39 A canon attached to a riding mower--now that would be something for the neighbors to see.
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lawn rage?
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lawn rage?
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at November 19, 2017 12:59 PM (vChNs)
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The Puckle Gun was succeeded quickly by the "Puck Gun" also known as the "Gordie Howe."
Posted by: Publius Redux at November 19, 2017 01:00 PM (0YSzp)
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Ruger Service Six, stainless, .357. Been on the lookout for years.
.
.
.I just sold mine. $350.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman
Could kick a buddy's ass. He let a Ruger Speedsix go for $200 AFTER I told him I'd give him $300 cash on the spot it he ever needed to pawn it.
Yeah. I no longer speak to him. Going on 25 years now.
.
.
.I just sold mine. $350.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman
Could kick a buddy's ass. He let a Ruger Speedsix go for $200 AFTER I told him I'd give him $300 cash on the spot it he ever needed to pawn it.
Yeah. I no longer speak to him. Going on 25 years now.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 19, 2017 01:00 PM (P0DGT)
58
50 caliber muzzle loader pickle guns with silencers should be banned!!!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 19, 2017 01:01 PM (IqV8l)
59
New guns? Buying two Remington 870 Express shotguns Wednesday. 12 gauge & 20 gauge from Bass Pro.
Special sale - $260 each after rebate.
Special sale - $260 each after rebate.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 19, 2017 01:02 PM (P0DGT)
60
Crap. Busy reloading bullets and almost missed the gun thread!
Posted by: Carpe Manana at November 19, 2017 01:03 PM (WYkii)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 19, 2017 01:04 PM (y3sT9)
62
Puckle sounds like it would be a good name for a sour candy.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 19, 2017 01:05 PM (/qEW2)
63
OT. Just saw a picture of Moore's opponent at Weasel Zippers. I'd be surprised if he didn't prove the adage that whatever progs are accusing conservatives of they are actually doing themselves.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at November 19, 2017 01:06 PM (rp9xB)
64
I'm seeing a lot of alternative media chatter saying that a USMC MEU landed at Langley VA.
example: https://is.gd/aq9Ewl
WTF?
Posted by: Bigby's Groping Hands
For what?
example: https://is.gd/aq9Ewl
WTF?
Posted by: Bigby's Groping Hands
For what?
Posted by: rickb223 at November 19, 2017 01:06 PM (P0DGT)
65
Only thing I did this week was make another lead ingot of lead I collected over the summer. Has to be over 5 pounds worth. One thing I do is collect tire weights I find on road while bike riding, but many are not lead anymore.
F'in EPA
F'in EPA
Posted by: Skip at November 19, 2017 01:07 PM (aC6Sd)
66
I'm really no weapons person, but since I peeked in...
It seems to me that you'd want to have some bracing back feet on that lawnmower (like on ladder trucks or cherry pickers), depending on the cannon size.
Either than, or let the recoil flip the mower over backward so the video can go on YouTube.
(Ponders 4-wheeler mounted machine guns roving around out here on the prairie after shtf....)
It seems to me that you'd want to have some bracing back feet on that lawnmower (like on ladder trucks or cherry pickers), depending on the cannon size.
Either than, or let the recoil flip the mower over backward so the video can go on YouTube.
(Ponders 4-wheeler mounted machine guns roving around out here on the prairie after shtf....)
Posted by: mindful webworker - jack of all trades, jill of none at November 19, 2017 01:07 PM (/IMJl)
67
A Springfield Armory Saint gives the libtards the vapors, and now it is available in a Pistol form! I myself am looking at a Daniels Defense DDM5 because it is big, black, and scary looking, and chambered in.308 has some punch. As a side note it gives the libtards the vapors big time.
Don't forget that today is national buy some ammo day!
Don't forget that today is national buy some ammo day!
Posted by: StephanA at November 19, 2017 01:08 PM (ffv4o)
68
Could kick a buddy's ass. He let a Ruger Speedsix go for $200 AFTER I told him I'd give him $300 cash on the spot it he ever needed to pawn it.
Yeah. I no longer speak to him. Going on 25 years now.
Posted by: rickb223
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Handling the sale of some items for the widow of a friend, I sold his High Standard Model B for $100, including holster. I have asked myself many times why I did not buy it myself. The answer is always, I was only acting as the agent, and wanted everything on the strict up and up. Still, I kick myself for not buying it myself.
Yeah. I no longer speak to him. Going on 25 years now.
Posted by: rickb223
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Handling the sale of some items for the widow of a friend, I sold his High Standard Model B for $100, including holster. I have asked myself many times why I did not buy it myself. The answer is always, I was only acting as the agent, and wanted everything on the strict up and up. Still, I kick myself for not buying it myself.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 19, 2017 01:09 PM (y3sT9)
69
" Although Mrs. MH has given her blessings on a new riffle. Wonder what I should get?"
AR platform with one of these modifications.
https://tinyurl.com/ydbvo25h
AR platform with one of these modifications.
https://tinyurl.com/ydbvo25h
Posted by: cicero Kaboom! kid at November 19, 2017 01:10 PM (EK6pT)
70
If you were on the book thread I was having log in issues so called Amazon customer service and talked to a nice man near Cape Town who knew what black powder was used for. Don't know if he was from South Africa.
Posted by: Skip at November 19, 2017 01:10 PM (aC6Sd)
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For what?
Posted by: rickb223 at November 19, 2017 01:06 PM (P0DGT)
The alternative mission for MEUs is to deliver Domino's Pizzas and unplug toilets
Posted by: rickb223 at November 19, 2017 01:06 PM (P0DGT)
The alternative mission for MEUs is to deliver Domino's Pizzas and unplug toilets
Posted by: Kindltot at November 19, 2017 01:11 PM (2K6fY)
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Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 19, 2017 01:04 PM (y3sT9)
Good to see you back. With you and Muldoon both returned a serious gap in the Horde has been filled.
Good to see you back. With you and Muldoon both returned a serious gap in the Horde has been filled.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at November 19, 2017 01:11 PM (rp9xB)
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46 @42 The AF is not paying out shit, the tax payers are.
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Sadly.
Congress needs to say something along the lines of, "For every X dollars in lawsuit payouts your department has, you lose Y amount in your next budget." That's about the only thing that would get their attention.
(And before someone suggests that Y=X, it'd be hard enough getting Congress to make them liable for just part of the suit, let alone all of it).
Posted by: junior at November 19, 2017 12:45 PM (cSguU)
Actually, I want to see everyone in his chain of command at that time, and everyone in the SJA for his duty station at that time rounded up. Up to and including the AF Chief of Staff. Round 'em up and give every last one of them his or her walking papers. Immediately.
At this point, I don't care if they're good troops or not. Probably, most of them are. But a little pour encourager les autres will go a long way towards tightening up procedures in the future.
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Sadly.
Congress needs to say something along the lines of, "For every X dollars in lawsuit payouts your department has, you lose Y amount in your next budget." That's about the only thing that would get their attention.
(And before someone suggests that Y=X, it'd be hard enough getting Congress to make them liable for just part of the suit, let alone all of it).
Posted by: junior at November 19, 2017 12:45 PM (cSguU)
Actually, I want to see everyone in his chain of command at that time, and everyone in the SJA for his duty station at that time rounded up. Up to and including the AF Chief of Staff. Round 'em up and give every last one of them his or her walking papers. Immediately.
At this point, I don't care if they're good troops or not. Probably, most of them are. But a little pour encourager les autres will go a long way towards tightening up procedures in the future.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 19, 2017 01:12 PM (eXA4G)
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Retropox at #41 - if my erection last more than four hours, I'm sending you the doctor's bill.
Congratulations. Nice haul.
Congratulations. Nice haul.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at November 19, 2017 01:12 PM (1ouh3)
75
Even if this example didn't exist, there were semiautomatic weapons in America, as well as Gatling guns, in the 19th century, and no one suggested that this negated the 2nd amendment.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 19, 2017 01:12 PM (/qEW2)
76
66. Rockets. Or recoilless rifles, ftw.
And if we're gonna go mounting recoilless rifles, well, this is Trump's America - do it bigly:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device)
And if we're gonna go mounting recoilless rifles, well, this is Trump's America - do it bigly:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at November 19, 2017 01:12 PM (fA1SL)
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For what?
Posted by: rickb223 at November 19, 2017 01:06 PM (P0DGT)
To round up Hillary's minions and escort them to jail. All the sealed indictments are about ready to drop tomorrow.
For what?
Posted by: rickb223 at November 19, 2017 01:06 PM (P0DGT)
To round up Hillary's minions and escort them to jail. All the sealed indictments are about ready to drop tomorrow.
Posted by: Ace Tractor Seat Supply at November 19, 2017 01:12 PM (ajiE5)
78
So far 2017 was a good year for me.
Rebedded my 1917 SMLE and got it to the range for its 100th Anniversary. Shot great!
New Baretta CX Storm Carbine from Classic Arms that apparently was a failed Russian or Ukrainian civilian order. Basically a Russian manual and a slightly longer barrel. Having fun with it as a range toy to go with...
My Itlaian police trade in Baretta 93S. Got that from Classic Arms in like new condition. A sweet set of appropriate S grips (mag release at bottom of grip) and some S compatible magazines.
My C93 (Century Arms HK93 rebuild). Century seems to be getting better. This gun was clean and runs fine though magazines are an issue (finding used/$ and aftermarket quality)
Nice Savage Rascal for my 9 year old daughter's first gun.
Looking to get my 11 year old son a 10/22 for Christmas as his second gun. He's outgrown the old H&R Sahara single shot blow back (my first gun at 7) I passed along to him at 7.
Looking to get my stepfather a good 22 so he can have fun on the plinking range with the grand kids.
Found out there is a "cheaper" alternative to the Pendleton safes -- the Revolution sub brand -- that uses the same rotating internal rack technology. $4000 which is a lot but about half the price of the Pendleton main brand.
2018... Maybe look at reloading.
Rebedded my 1917 SMLE and got it to the range for its 100th Anniversary. Shot great!
New Baretta CX Storm Carbine from Classic Arms that apparently was a failed Russian or Ukrainian civilian order. Basically a Russian manual and a slightly longer barrel. Having fun with it as a range toy to go with...
My Itlaian police trade in Baretta 93S. Got that from Classic Arms in like new condition. A sweet set of appropriate S grips (mag release at bottom of grip) and some S compatible magazines.
My C93 (Century Arms HK93 rebuild). Century seems to be getting better. This gun was clean and runs fine though magazines are an issue (finding used/$ and aftermarket quality)
Nice Savage Rascal for my 9 year old daughter's first gun.
Looking to get my 11 year old son a 10/22 for Christmas as his second gun. He's outgrown the old H&R Sahara single shot blow back (my first gun at 7) I passed along to him at 7.
Looking to get my stepfather a good 22 so he can have fun on the plinking range with the grand kids.
Found out there is a "cheaper" alternative to the Pendleton safes -- the Revolution sub brand -- that uses the same rotating internal rack technology. $4000 which is a lot but about half the price of the Pendleton main brand.
2018... Maybe look at reloading.
Posted by: Keith at November 19, 2017 01:12 PM (USf3s)
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I tried the Al Franken attachment to my muzzleloader, but it just made it louder. Any suggestions?
Posted by: mindful webworker's peacekeepers
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Clamp one hand over the muzzle.
Posted by: mindful webworker's peacekeepers
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Clamp one hand over the muzzle.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 19, 2017 01:13 PM (y3sT9)
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at November 19, 2017 01:13 PM (rp9xB)
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(Ponders 4-wheeler mounted machine guns roving around out here on the prairie after shtf....)
Posted by: mindful webworker - jack of all trades, jill of none at November 19, 2017 01:07 PM (/IMJl)
Aussies can be odd about these sorts of things things too
https://youtu.be/JH_f-jI4Np0
Posted by: mindful webworker - jack of all trades, jill of none at November 19, 2017 01:07 PM (/IMJl)
Aussies can be odd about these sorts of things things too
https://youtu.be/JH_f-jI4Np0
Posted by: Kindltot at November 19, 2017 01:14 PM (2K6fY)
82
The Bill of Rights is not only not a Bill of Needs, it is also not a Bill of Safety.
Those who rest their laurels on "gun control doesn't work" are accepting a premise that will bite us all in the ass.
If you dry up the supply of weapons and (especially, God forbid) ammo, you are going to seriously restrict the secondary markets and, while never a "complete" success, such measures might indeed bring down some "gun deaths" (over a long time). Of course, "knife deaths" would probably increase too but let's not quibble.
But the hairs on the back of my neck go up every time a well meaning 2A supporter says "gun control doesn't work."
It is a fundamental right of a free person, essential to individual liberty and the bulwark against tyranny. That ought to be enough.
Those who rest their laurels on "gun control doesn't work" are accepting a premise that will bite us all in the ass.
If you dry up the supply of weapons and (especially, God forbid) ammo, you are going to seriously restrict the secondary markets and, while never a "complete" success, such measures might indeed bring down some "gun deaths" (over a long time). Of course, "knife deaths" would probably increase too but let's not quibble.
But the hairs on the back of my neck go up every time a well meaning 2A supporter says "gun control doesn't work."
It is a fundamental right of a free person, essential to individual liberty and the bulwark against tyranny. That ought to be enough.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at November 19, 2017 01:14 PM (W/SyC)
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LOL Russell Simmons takes a turn in the Barrel, Hollywood is such a cesspool, He also told Terry Crews to the guy a pass and ask that he be reinstated.
What a piece of Garbage.
What a piece of Garbage.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at November 19, 2017 01:15 PM (dKiJG)
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And if we're gonna go mounting recoilless rifles, well, this is Trump's America - do it bigly:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device)
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Should have named it Ol' Betsy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device)
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Should have named it Ol' Betsy.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 19, 2017 01:16 PM (y3sT9)
85
(Ponders 4-wheeler mounted machine guns roving around out here on the prairie after shtf....)
Posted by: mindful webworker
Bing "mini chain gun".
Posted by: mindful webworker
Bing "mini chain gun".
Posted by: rickb223 at November 19, 2017 01:16 PM (P0DGT)
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Taking away gun rights for a misdemeanor is ridiculous. Some say yeah but its domestic violence, but this seems like a slippery slope to minor theft, etc. Notwithstanding that prosecutors try to attach the DV to any verbal altercation. In CO here, if the police are called for a domestic situation, one person must be arrested as a matter of law.
Taking away gun rights for a misdemeanor is ridiculous. Some say yeah but its domestic violence, but this seems like a slippery slope to minor theft, etc. Notwithstanding that prosecutors try to attach the DV to any verbal altercation. In CO here, if the police are called for a domestic situation, one person must be arrested as a matter of law.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 19, 2017 01:18 PM (r+sAi)
Posted by: retropox at November 19, 2017 01:18 PM (y6AEz)
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I tried the Al Franken attachment to my muzzleloader, but it just made it louder. Any suggestions?
Posted by: mindful webworker's peacekeepers
Well it's only good for silencing jokes.
Posted by: mindful webworker's peacekeepers
Well it's only good for silencing jokes.
Posted by: X-ray at November 19, 2017 01:20 PM (VDQek)
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Never heard of any repeating firearms used in the American Revolutionary war through the Napoleonic era
Posted by: Skip at November 19, 2017 01:21 PM (aC6Sd)
90
OT
Huffington Post recently changed its entire structure, relegating "columnists" and "contributors" to orphaned-article zero-traffic purgatory and revamping their front page to be nothing but 100% leftist fake-news, with no more links to sub-sections about various aspects of urban culture as they used to have (Food/Fashion/Entertainment/etc.).
Not sure why they did this -- I think they were tired of having to defend whatever every columnist wrote as being "endorsed" or "said by" the Huffington Post. So now, all their columnists can still write whatever they want, but such articles can no longer be accessed from the HuffPo main page, nor are there any more dedicated subsections about any theme which might link to these columns or articles.
It's all very strange, and I think spells the end of the Huffington Post -- now known officially as "HuffPost" -- as a site anyone pays the slightest attention to.
Anyway, all of this is background to my point, which is this:
With some effort, one can still view the various articles hosted on Huffpost, grouped according to "tags" instead of in officially edited sections -- and my God, it is ALL the worst, most idiotic insulting garbage, beyond what you can imagine.
These are the latest five headlines at Huffpost with the tag "food":
These Golden Snitch-Topped Butterbeer Donuts Are What Potterhead Dreams Are Made Of
Ecuador's School Food Is Bad For Kids -- And The Environment
This Is An Adult, Boozy-Flavored Version Of The Ring Pop And It's Actually So Pretty
Gulf Crisis Broadens Definitions Of Food Security
Someone Made A Candy Corn Pizza And Twitter Can't Handle It
It's a bizarre, nauseating, horrifying combination of juvenile social-media-saturated clickbait garbage married to hectoring communist brainwash claptrap.
Sooooooo glad they destroyed their own "platform." It was, and remains, unmitigated swill.
Huffington Post recently changed its entire structure, relegating "columnists" and "contributors" to orphaned-article zero-traffic purgatory and revamping their front page to be nothing but 100% leftist fake-news, with no more links to sub-sections about various aspects of urban culture as they used to have (Food/Fashion/Entertainment/etc.).
Not sure why they did this -- I think they were tired of having to defend whatever every columnist wrote as being "endorsed" or "said by" the Huffington Post. So now, all their columnists can still write whatever they want, but such articles can no longer be accessed from the HuffPo main page, nor are there any more dedicated subsections about any theme which might link to these columns or articles.
It's all very strange, and I think spells the end of the Huffington Post -- now known officially as "HuffPost" -- as a site anyone pays the slightest attention to.
Anyway, all of this is background to my point, which is this:
With some effort, one can still view the various articles hosted on Huffpost, grouped according to "tags" instead of in officially edited sections -- and my God, it is ALL the worst, most idiotic insulting garbage, beyond what you can imagine.
These are the latest five headlines at Huffpost with the tag "food":
These Golden Snitch-Topped Butterbeer Donuts Are What Potterhead Dreams Are Made Of
Ecuador's School Food Is Bad For Kids -- And The Environment
This Is An Adult, Boozy-Flavored Version Of The Ring Pop And It's Actually So Pretty
Gulf Crisis Broadens Definitions Of Food Security
Someone Made A Candy Corn Pizza And Twitter Can't Handle It
It's a bizarre, nauseating, horrifying combination of juvenile social-media-saturated clickbait garbage married to hectoring communist brainwash claptrap.
Sooooooo glad they destroyed their own "platform." It was, and remains, unmitigated swill.
Posted by: zombie at November 19, 2017 01:23 PM (42M22)
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Anyone see the idiot gun grabber from NY on Tucker calling for banning muzzle loaders? His point, and I shit you not, was imagine what the D.C. Sniper could have done with a silenced 50 cal muzzle loader.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 19, 2017 01:25 PM (gC2IV)
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that an FBI Informant allegedly has VIDEO of Clinton Foundation people
being given suitcases full of cash from Russians, prior to the approval
of the UraniumOne deal which sold twenty percent of US Uranium
manufacturing to Russia's state-owned ROSATOM corporation.
That would be a big f'n deal. I did not previously hear this.
being given suitcases full of cash from Russians, prior to the approval
of the UraniumOne deal which sold twenty percent of US Uranium
manufacturing to Russia's state-owned ROSATOM corporation.
That would be a big f'n deal. I did not previously hear this.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 19, 2017 01:26 PM (r+sAi)
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>>>>Actually, I want to see everyone in his chain of command at that time,
and everyone in the SJA for his duty station at that time rounded up. Up
to and including the AF Chief of Staff. Round 'em up and give every
last one of them his or her walking papers. Immediately.
At this point, I don't care if they're good troops or not. Probably,
most of them are. But a little pour encourager les autres will go a
long way towards tightening up procedures in the future.
.
.
.I doubt it was the low level people that dropped the ball. The wife and I were talking about hits last night. She was a senior Legalman in the Navy and there are procedures set up for this specific case. They had a victim assistant for each and every case tried by the Navy for domestic abuse. They walked the victim through the entire process and went with them to Court for hearings.
Once the sentencing was done and the record of trial was signed off on, they reported the results to JAG in DC. It was up to them to send that stuff off so it could get put into the NICS database.
and everyone in the SJA for his duty station at that time rounded up. Up
to and including the AF Chief of Staff. Round 'em up and give every
last one of them his or her walking papers. Immediately.
At this point, I don't care if they're good troops or not. Probably,
most of them are. But a little pour encourager les autres will go a
long way towards tightening up procedures in the future.
.
.
.I doubt it was the low level people that dropped the ball. The wife and I were talking about hits last night. She was a senior Legalman in the Navy and there are procedures set up for this specific case. They had a victim assistant for each and every case tried by the Navy for domestic abuse. They walked the victim through the entire process and went with them to Court for hearings.
Once the sentencing was done and the record of trial was signed off on, they reported the results to JAG in DC. It was up to them to send that stuff off so it could get put into the NICS database.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 19, 2017 01:26 PM (+Dllb)
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They never want to look into the number of people who get problems from the NICS system who haven't done anything wrong. This whole mess was the compromise with the Brady waiting period law. The whole of it sucks and you'll never convince me that the information is not held somewhere as a data base on who owns firearms.
Do we have to have a background check to write a letter to the editor, a comment on the internet, go to church, buy a computer printer, speak at a town meeting, petition the government? Any other constitutional right?
Do I need to be on an approved person list to be free from having to quarter troops in my home, not be searched without a warrant, get a lawyer to defend me in court and get a jury trial?
Some God given rights are seen by those in power as more problematical than others because all of them can be stamped out once the main protective one is gone.
Do we have to have a background check to write a letter to the editor, a comment on the internet, go to church, buy a computer printer, speak at a town meeting, petition the government? Any other constitutional right?
Do I need to be on an approved person list to be free from having to quarter troops in my home, not be searched without a warrant, get a lawyer to defend me in court and get a jury trial?
Some God given rights are seen by those in power as more problematical than others because all of them can be stamped out once the main protective one is gone.
Posted by: geoffb at November 19, 2017 01:27 PM (zOpu5)
95
91 Anyone see the idiot gun grabber from NY on Tucker calling for banning muzzle loaders? His point, and I shit you not, was imagine what the D.C. Sniper could have done with a silenced 50 cal muzzle loader.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 19, 2017 01:25 PM (gC2IV)
I picked up on that around the edges last week but never got to the details. I assume it was the whole .50 caliber thing not knowing the difference between .50 BMG and anything else .50.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 19, 2017 01:25 PM (gC2IV)
I picked up on that around the edges last week but never got to the details. I assume it was the whole .50 caliber thing not knowing the difference between .50 BMG and anything else .50.
Posted by: Keith at November 19, 2017 01:27 PM (USf3s)
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Also, Taro-the-Beretta-Whore:
I have a mint 1919 (metal grips), 1930 straight grip Navy, mint 1935 in the box, a model 70 mint in the box, a Model 100 (the long barrel Series 70 with target sights, and a mint Model 81 (which, as you know, is the original "Browning BDA" ).
All .32's, of course.
I have a mint 1919 (metal grips), 1930 straight grip Navy, mint 1935 in the box, a model 70 mint in the box, a Model 100 (the long barrel Series 70 with target sights, and a mint Model 81 (which, as you know, is the original "Browning BDA" ).
All .32's, of course.
Posted by: retropox at November 19, 2017 01:28 PM (y6AEz)
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His point, and I shit you not, was imagine what the D.C. Sniper could have done with a silenced 50 cal muzzle loader.
Posted by: Duke Lowell
He's going solely off of word salad. Has no idea what the words actually mean.
Posted by: Duke Lowell
He's going solely off of word salad. Has no idea what the words actually mean.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 19, 2017 01:28 PM (P0DGT)
98
>>>>Never heard of any repeating firearms used in the American Revolutionary war through the Napoleonic era
.
.
.Look up the Belton flintlock. He offered it for sale to Congress but they said it was too expensive after they ordered 100 of them and cancelled the contract.
.
.
.Look up the Belton flintlock. He offered it for sale to Congress but they said it was too expensive after they ordered 100 of them and cancelled the contract.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 19, 2017 01:28 PM (+Dllb)
99
If you dry up the supply of weapons and (especially, God forbid) ammo, you are going to seriously restrict the secondary markets and, while never a "complete" success, such measures might indeed bring down some "gun deaths" (over a long time).
...
Except what actually has happened in the real world in recent decades is that the gun crime rate decreased at the same time as the number of guns doubled and 12 million people started legally carrying.
There are no doubt multiple factors, and it's impossible to prove causation, but the correlation is striking.
Not wanting to really get into it, but when I look at those numbers it's hard to persuade me that more restrictions would be effective.
...
Except what actually has happened in the real world in recent decades is that the gun crime rate decreased at the same time as the number of guns doubled and 12 million people started legally carrying.
There are no doubt multiple factors, and it's impossible to prove causation, but the correlation is striking.
Not wanting to really get into it, but when I look at those numbers it's hard to persuade me that more restrictions would be effective.
Posted by: stace at November 19, 2017 01:28 PM (6HFDU)
100
I see no mention made of the age of the daughter whose boyfriend was shot by her father.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 19, 2017 01:30 PM (oPNmq)
101
The Marines-Landing-at-Langley story is VERY interesting to me, if true.
I really hope it's true.
I really hope it's true.
Posted by: Johnny at November 19, 2017 01:31 PM (kUotE)
102
They never want to look into the number of people who get problems from the NICS system who haven't done anything wrong. This whole mess was the compromise with the Brady waiting period law. The whole of it sucks and you'll never convince me that the information is not held somewhere as a data base on who owns firearms.
My prints are already on file with the FBI. I am exempt from background check due to having a CHL. They already know I own guns.
My prints are already on file with the FBI. I am exempt from background check due to having a CHL. They already know I own guns.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 19, 2017 01:31 PM (P0DGT)
103
would a Ruger 22/45 be a good self defense gun for me, an 'ette?
Posted by: booknlass at November 19, 2017 01:31 PM (9mZIr)
104
I'd love to have a Pickle Gun.
Posted by: soothsayerwing plover at November 19, 2017 12:27 PM (Gguds)
I'm sure it would be a dilly.
Posted by: soothsayerwing plover at November 19, 2017 12:27 PM (Gguds)
I'm sure it would be a dilly.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 19, 2017 01:32 PM (oPNmq)
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That would be a big f'n deal. I did not previously hear this.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 19, 2017 01:26 PM (r+sAi)
I suspect there might just be a few patriots left in government. Doing their jobs, preparing the nooses. It only takes a couple to throw chunks of metal into the Clinton Foundation gearbox.
You know how sometimes it gets quiet, like real quiet? Then something big blows all the trivial stuff completely off the front page? I got that feeling.
I said before the election back in August or September that Sib 'Vicious' Blumenthal should get the hell out of the country, if he had any sense. Apparently he doesn't have any.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 19, 2017 01:26 PM (r+sAi)
I suspect there might just be a few patriots left in government. Doing their jobs, preparing the nooses. It only takes a couple to throw chunks of metal into the Clinton Foundation gearbox.
You know how sometimes it gets quiet, like real quiet? Then something big blows all the trivial stuff completely off the front page? I got that feeling.
I said before the election back in August or September that Sib 'Vicious' Blumenthal should get the hell out of the country, if he had any sense. Apparently he doesn't have any.
Posted by: Ace Tractor Seat Supply at November 19, 2017 01:32 PM (ajiE5)
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104 I'd love to have a Pickle Gun.
Posted by: soothsayerwing plover at November 19, 2017 12:27 PM (Gguds)
I'm sure it would be a dilly.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
It would be sweet.
Posted by: soothsayerwing plover at November 19, 2017 12:27 PM (Gguds)
I'm sure it would be a dilly.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
It would be sweet.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 19, 2017 01:33 PM (P0DGT)
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Shot him in the groin. Now that's the way to send a clear message!
Also a good way to make sure that he never comes back.
Also a good way to make sure that he never comes back.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 19, 2017 01:34 PM (V2Yro)
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104 I'd love to have a Pickle Gun.
Posted by: soothsayerwing plover at November 19, 2017 12:27 PM (Gguds)
I'm sure it would be a dilly.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
It would be sweet.
Posted by: rickb223
But it would be kosher?
104 I'd love to have a Pickle Gun.
Posted by: soothsayerwing plover at November 19, 2017 12:27 PM (Gguds)
I'm sure it would be a dilly.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
It would be sweet.
Posted by: rickb223
But it would be kosher?
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at November 19, 2017 01:34 PM (Gguds)
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"when I look at those numbers it's hard to persuade me that more restrictions would be effective."
The elephant in the room is that we're two nations on gun crime. Deep Blue States have far more than Red States, and most Deep Blue Cities even more so, but there's an inverse correlation with legal gun ownership.
One "nation" has gun crime rates like Switzerland, the other like Jamaica.
The elephant in the room is that we're two nations on gun crime. Deep Blue States have far more than Red States, and most Deep Blue Cities even more so, but there's an inverse correlation with legal gun ownership.
One "nation" has gun crime rates like Switzerland, the other like Jamaica.
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 19, 2017 01:35 PM (pV/54)
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Cleaning guns this afternoon. The shotgun started the whole thing when it acted creaky this morning.
Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at November 19, 2017 01:35 PM (zORdL)
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Stop gherkin around with the pickle jokes.
Posted by: retropox at November 19, 2017 01:35 PM (y6AEz)
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would a Ruger 22/45 be a good self defense gun for me, an 'ette?
Posted by: booknlass
Not really. .22 lr is an awfully small caliber for a self defense gun.
Posted by: booknlass
Not really. .22 lr is an awfully small caliber for a self defense gun.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 19, 2017 01:36 PM (P0DGT)
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They already know I own guns.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 19, 2017 01:31 PM (P0DGT)
Yes, it's a pickle, as Nero Wolfe would say.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 19, 2017 01:31 PM (P0DGT)
Yes, it's a pickle, as Nero Wolfe would say.
Posted by: geoffb at November 19, 2017 01:36 PM (zOpu5)
Posted by: booknlass at November 19, 2017 01:37 PM (9mZIr)
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 19, 2017 01:37 PM (Edyyb)
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64 I'm seeing a lot of alternative media chatter saying that a USMC MEU landed at Langley VA.
example: https://is.gd/aq9Ewl
WTF?
Posted by: Bigby's Groping Hands
For what?"
I'm sure Daily Kos is already announcing that Trump is going to abolish Congress and rule as God-Emperor.
Of course failing to note the irony in the fact that Obama has already claimed the position.
example: https://is.gd/aq9Ewl
WTF?
Posted by: Bigby's Groping Hands
For what?"
I'm sure Daily Kos is already announcing that Trump is going to abolish Congress and rule as God-Emperor.
Of course failing to note the irony in the fact that Obama has already claimed the position.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 19, 2017 01:38 PM (V2Yro)
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I would relish owning a Pickle Gun.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at November 19, 2017 01:39 PM (NWiLs)
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thanks rickb. I liked the price and the weight of it. but I wondered if it would stop some sumbitch.
Posted by: booknlass at November 19, 2017 01:39 PM (9mZIr)
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I'm seeing a lot of alternative media chatter saying that a USMC MEU landed at Langley VA.
example: https://is.gd/aq9Ewl
WTF?
Posted by: Bigby's Groping Hands
For what?"
I'm sure Daily Kos is already announcing that Trump is going to abolish Congress and rule as God-Emperor.
You know you go to hell for teasing.
example: https://is.gd/aq9Ewl
WTF?
Posted by: Bigby's Groping Hands
For what?"
I'm sure Daily Kos is already announcing that Trump is going to abolish Congress and rule as God-Emperor.
You know you go to hell for teasing.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 19, 2017 01:39 PM (P0DGT)
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The AF is not paying out shit, the tax payers are.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 19, 2017 12:40 PM (mpXpK)
Whatever Air Force officers are responsible for the fuckup should be busted down to private and given a general discharge.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at November 19, 2017 12:40 PM (mpXpK)
Whatever Air Force officers are responsible for the fuckup should be busted down to private and given a general discharge.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 19, 2017 01:39 PM (oPNmq)
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We'll go back to single shot flintlocks when the MSM go back to the town cryer system, etc. etc. etc.
I'd love to see Shep Smith reduced to semaphore.
We'll go back to single shot flintlocks when the MSM go back to the town cryer system, etc. etc. etc.
I'd love to see Shep Smith reduced to semaphore.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 19, 2017 01:39 PM (oVJmc)
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104 I'd love to have a Pickle Gun.
Posted by: soothsayerwing plover at November 19, 2017 12:27 PM (Gguds)
They're our bread and butter
Posted by: soothsayerwing plover at November 19, 2017 12:27 PM (Gguds)
They're our bread and butter
Posted by: Vlassic Gun Corp at November 19, 2017 01:40 PM (3JQ/p)
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One rifle we can't keep in my Wal-Mart is the Savage Axis in 6.5mm Creedmor. It comes with a bull barrel, a decent scope, and an Accu-Trigger. All for just under $400.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 19, 2017 01:40 PM (Edyyb)
Posted by: Monty James at November 19, 2017 01:40 PM (gKOMX)
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Ignoramus said:
" One "nation" has gun crime rates like Switzerland, the other like Jamaica."
I wonder what the gun crime numbers per capita would look like if you just took out anyplace " deep blue".
I suspect it would prove your point.
" One "nation" has gun crime rates like Switzerland, the other like Jamaica."
I wonder what the gun crime numbers per capita would look like if you just took out anyplace " deep blue".
I suspect it would prove your point.
Posted by: retropox at November 19, 2017 01:41 PM (y6AEz)
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125 Ignoramus said:
" One "nation" has gun crime rates like Switzerland, the other like Jamaica."
I wonder what the gun crime numbers per capita would look like if you just took out anyplace " deep blue".
I suspect it would prove your point.
Posted by: retropox at November 19, 2017 01:41 PM (y6AEz)
I believe it drops us to Belgium-like numbers when you drop out the four Democrat-run shitholes with the top homicide rates.
" One "nation" has gun crime rates like Switzerland, the other like Jamaica."
I wonder what the gun crime numbers per capita would look like if you just took out anyplace " deep blue".
I suspect it would prove your point.
Posted by: retropox at November 19, 2017 01:41 PM (y6AEz)
I believe it drops us to Belgium-like numbers when you drop out the four Democrat-run shitholes with the top homicide rates.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at November 19, 2017 01:42 PM (NWiLs)
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but I wondered if it would stop some sumbitch.
Posted by: booknlass at November 19, 2017 01:39 PM (9mZIr)
It COULD, but it's not worth betting on especially if you're specifically choosing it for defense.
What about it, in particular, caught your eye? We could probably come up with a pistol that fits that bill, but in a stouter cartridge.
Posted by: booknlass at November 19, 2017 01:39 PM (9mZIr)
It COULD, but it's not worth betting on especially if you're specifically choosing it for defense.
What about it, in particular, caught your eye? We could probably come up with a pistol that fits that bill, but in a stouter cartridge.
Posted by: hogmartin at November 19, 2017 01:43 PM (y87Qq)
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thanks rickb. I liked the price and the weight of it. but I wondered if it would stop some sumbitch.
Posted by: booknlass
9mm, .32, .380 in order of self defense best-to-worse, in my opinion.
(I personally prefer a .45 acp, but I do understand people having trouble handing recoil)
Posted by: booknlass
9mm, .32, .380 in order of self defense best-to-worse, in my opinion.
(I personally prefer a .45 acp, but I do understand people having trouble handing recoil)
Posted by: rickb223 at November 19, 2017 01:44 PM (P0DGT)
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would a Ruger 22/45 be a good self defense gun for me, an 'ette?
Posted by: booknlass
The main issue with .22 and self defense is that .22 isn't quite as reliable as a typical centerfire cartridge. In revolvers there can be a stiff trigger pull.
Posted by: booknlass
The main issue with .22 and self defense is that .22 isn't quite as reliable as a typical centerfire cartridge. In revolvers there can be a stiff trigger pull.
Posted by: Keith at November 19, 2017 01:44 PM (USf3s)
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123 One rifle we can't keep in my Wal-Mart is the Savage Axis in 6.5mm Creedmor. It comes with a bull barrel, a decent scope, and an Accu-Trigger. All for just under $400.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 19, 2017 01:40 PM (Edyyb)
Shop smart. Shop Wal-Mart! YOU GOT THAT?!
-Anna Puma Ashe
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 19, 2017 01:40 PM (Edyyb)
Shop smart. Shop Wal-Mart! YOU GOT THAT?!
-Anna Puma Ashe
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 19, 2017 01:47 PM (ycWCI)
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Back from shopping.
Yeah I dunno what to make of it. I thought posse comitatus and all that would prevent the USMC from doing anything like offensive actions. Maybe just a drill? The sealed indictments thing is a teaser, though.
Yeah I dunno what to make of it. I thought posse comitatus and all that would prevent the USMC from doing anything like offensive actions. Maybe just a drill? The sealed indictments thing is a teaser, though.
Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at November 19, 2017 01:47 PM (z2W2E)
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Shop smart. Shop Wal-Mart! YOU GOT THAT?!
-Anna Puma Ashe
Posted by: Aetius451AD
*snort. ISWYDT
That's her boomstick!
-Anna Puma Ashe
Posted by: Aetius451AD
*snort. ISWYDT
That's her boomstick!
Posted by: rickb223 at November 19, 2017 01:48 PM (P0DGT)
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Iggy said:
"I believe it drops us to Belgium-like numbers when you drop out the four Democrat-run shitholes with the top homicide rates."
No doubt.
I'd like to see the number once all gang related gun crime, and both shooter/shootee have drug records, were removed.
Bet that would clean up 50-70% of the non-deep-blue incidents.
...making the final analysis "gun crime is generally rare in the USA".
"I believe it drops us to Belgium-like numbers when you drop out the four Democrat-run shitholes with the top homicide rates."
No doubt.
I'd like to see the number once all gang related gun crime, and both shooter/shootee have drug records, were removed.
Bet that would clean up 50-70% of the non-deep-blue incidents.
...making the final analysis "gun crime is generally rare in the USA".
Posted by: retropox at November 19, 2017 01:48 PM (y6AEz)
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I predict there will be a boom-stick in Aetius' future... if there isn't one already.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 19, 2017 01:48 PM (Edyyb)
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Sooooooo glad they destroyed their own "platform." It was, and remains, unmitigated swill.
Posted by: zombie at November 19, 2017 01:23 PM (42M22)
I used to comment there before they went to Facebook comments.
In the early days, the first column on the left side of the page was the links to celebrity and politician columns, many of those columns calling for more respect for women and their bodies.
The column on the far right was mostly about breaking news in the World of Sideboob, Underboob, NipSlips, Upskirt shots, and photos of the cooches of unfortunate models who had tripped on the runway.
I always enjoyed pointing out to the feminist columnists what was going on over on the other side of the front page.
Sooooooo glad they destroyed their own "platform." It was, and remains, unmitigated swill.
Posted by: zombie at November 19, 2017 01:23 PM (42M22)
I used to comment there before they went to Facebook comments.
In the early days, the first column on the left side of the page was the links to celebrity and politician columns, many of those columns calling for more respect for women and their bodies.
The column on the far right was mostly about breaking news in the World of Sideboob, Underboob, NipSlips, Upskirt shots, and photos of the cooches of unfortunate models who had tripped on the runway.
I always enjoyed pointing out to the feminist columnists what was going on over on the other side of the front page.
Posted by: stace at November 19, 2017 01:49 PM (6HFDU)
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103 would a Ruger 22/45 be a good self defense gun for me, an 'ette?
Posted by: booknlass at November 19, 2017 01:31 PM (9mZIr)
It's better than a sharpened stick, but I definitely wouldn't call it a good defensive gun. On the other hand, ANY gun is better than NO gun when it comes to self-defense. It's just that there are more effective choices available. If you can physically handle it, you should consider something more powerful. And unless you have a physical disability of some sort, you CAN handle a more powerful handgun. Don't sell yourself short.
103 would a Ruger 22/45 be a good self defense gun for me, an 'ette?
Posted by: booknlass at November 19, 2017 01:31 PM (9mZIr)
It's better than a sharpened stick, but I definitely wouldn't call it a good defensive gun. On the other hand, ANY gun is better than NO gun when it comes to self-defense. It's just that there are more effective choices available. If you can physically handle it, you should consider something more powerful. And unless you have a physical disability of some sort, you CAN handle a more powerful handgun. Don't sell yourself short.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 19, 2017 01:50 PM (eXA4G)
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"I believe it drops us to Belgium-like numbers when you drop out the four Democrat-run shitholes with the top homicide rates."
I think you're exactly right. The numbers aren't really correlated with "deep blue" or "deep red" - they are EXTREMELY correlated with "all white" and "not a lot of white".
I know that's not polite to say openly, but that's what the numbers say. Connecticut, Oregon? Not a lot of gun crime. Texas, especially down in the Valley or the dusky areas of the major cities? You know the answer already.
I think you're exactly right. The numbers aren't really correlated with "deep blue" or "deep red" - they are EXTREMELY correlated with "all white" and "not a lot of white".
I know that's not polite to say openly, but that's what the numbers say. Connecticut, Oregon? Not a lot of gun crime. Texas, especially down in the Valley or the dusky areas of the major cities? You know the answer already.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 19, 2017 01:50 PM (V2Yro)
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The wold's oldest revolver -1597.
https://thornews.com/2014/03/27/the-worlds-oldest-existing-revolver-1597/
There was also a rifle version.
Then there was the Nock Volley Rifle (7 barrels), the duck foot pistol, and the pepperbox.
Of course, Jefferson owned a Girandoni with a "high capacity" magazine of 20 rounds
Yeah, the Founding Fathers couldn't imagine anything but a single shot musket.
https://thornews.com/2014/03/27/the-worlds-oldest-existing-revolver-1597/
There was also a rifle version.
Then there was the Nock Volley Rifle (7 barrels), the duck foot pistol, and the pepperbox.
Of course, Jefferson owned a Girandoni with a "high capacity" magazine of 20 rounds
Yeah, the Founding Fathers couldn't imagine anything but a single shot musket.
Posted by: Piers Rather, Ace Reporter at November 19, 2017 01:51 PM (BsuY/)
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 19, 2017 01:51 PM (VyLpy)
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And if we're gonna go mounting recoilless rifles, well, this is Trump's America - do it bigly:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at November 19, 2017 01:12 PM (fA1SL)
Heh. They have a display devoted to that at the Museum of Atomic Testing in Las Vegas, which Morons and Ettes attending the GNAMM were privileged to visit. The warhead for Davy Crockett is a tad smaller than a 20-pound propane cylinder, and much the same shape.
And the transport vehicle used for the Davy Crockett was the by then venerable M29 Weasel, which means I have an example of the most heavily-armed tracked vehicle (in terms of destructive power) ever deployed by the U.S. military. Sadly lacking in Davy Crockett attachment, though. (aka, the thing that blows up)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at November 19, 2017 01:12 PM (fA1SL)
Heh. They have a display devoted to that at the Museum of Atomic Testing in Las Vegas, which Morons and Ettes attending the GNAMM were privileged to visit. The warhead for Davy Crockett is a tad smaller than a 20-pound propane cylinder, and much the same shape.
And the transport vehicle used for the Davy Crockett was the by then venerable M29 Weasel, which means I have an example of the most heavily-armed tracked vehicle (in terms of destructive power) ever deployed by the U.S. military. Sadly lacking in Davy Crockett attachment, though. (aka, the thing that blows up)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 19, 2017 01:51 PM (oPNmq)
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would a Ruger 22/45 be a good self defense gun for me, an 'ette?
.22 LR is inadequate for self defense. IMO, 9 mm (or .380 in a high performance load like Corbon) is the minimum for self defense. However, the Ruger 22/45 would be an excellent gun for training and practice.
.22 LR is inadequate for self defense. IMO, 9 mm (or .380 in a high performance load like Corbon) is the minimum for self defense. However, the Ruger 22/45 would be an excellent gun for training and practice.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 19, 2017 01:54 PM (7oUUT)
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I can't afford much, and I want stopping power. Next step after I buy it is concealed carry, so it should be good for that.
Posted by: booknlass at November 19, 2017 01:54 PM (9mZIr)
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The Mercury Register of San Jose ran an article quoting a local Stanford prof that claims the Tehama massacre was proof that guns needed their own tax to be used prevent gun violence.
I was so offended that I emailed the gentleman in his ivory tower.
I explained that root cause of the massacre was that the state did nothing when it was on notice that a person who had a court order not to possess weapons was firing weapons for months before the crime. More money for government wasn't going to fix stupid.
The ivory tower replied that it was evidence that the cops who were likely NRA members were influenced by the NRA so as to be non-responsive to reports of gunfire.
This is serious stuff because this smart feller gets paid probably on the order of $300k yr to entertain fictional truths. And they teach. Somehow this situation needs to change.
I was so offended that I emailed the gentleman in his ivory tower.
I explained that root cause of the massacre was that the state did nothing when it was on notice that a person who had a court order not to possess weapons was firing weapons for months before the crime. More money for government wasn't going to fix stupid.
The ivory tower replied that it was evidence that the cops who were likely NRA members were influenced by the NRA so as to be non-responsive to reports of gunfire.
This is serious stuff because this smart feller gets paid probably on the order of $300k yr to entertain fictional truths. And they teach. Somehow this situation needs to change.
Posted by: torabora at November 19, 2017 01:55 PM (YrlJh)
Posted by: BuckIV at November 19, 2017 01:55 PM (CLfqv)
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Whatever Air Force officers are responsible for the fuckup should be busted down to private and given a general discharge.
....
Yep, but the problem is with the whole military. They're hardly reporting anything. Many of the states are failing to do so too.
....
Yep, but the problem is with the whole military. They're hardly reporting anything. Many of the states are failing to do so too.
Posted by: stace at November 19, 2017 01:55 PM (6HFDU)
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It's a bit more complicated than black/white, but there's obvious correlation.
e.g., NYC fixed its gun homicide problem with more than a decade of aggressive policing. It now has 3.0 murders per 100,000 (it's actually lower if you included commuters, tourists and other assorted revellers in the denominator).
DC has 24.1, Chicago has 28.7, Baltimore 55.4, despite their being ant-legal firearm ownership. Go figure.
PC-driven abdication. And BLM made it worse.
You can't fix stupid.
e.g., NYC fixed its gun homicide problem with more than a decade of aggressive policing. It now has 3.0 murders per 100,000 (it's actually lower if you included commuters, tourists and other assorted revellers in the denominator).
DC has 24.1, Chicago has 28.7, Baltimore 55.4, despite their being ant-legal firearm ownership. Go figure.
PC-driven abdication. And BLM made it worse.
You can't fix stupid.
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 19, 2017 01:57 PM (pV/54)
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Posted by: booknlass at November 19, 2017 01:54 PM (9mZIr)
Looks like the 'Rons are generally agreed that one *won't* have stopping power. There are news reports all the time about would-be robbers/home invaders fleeing after multiple .22 wounds, including to the head, but the important part is probably that they did flee instead of continuing the attack.
Looks like the 'Rons are generally agreed that one *won't* have stopping power. There are news reports all the time about would-be robbers/home invaders fleeing after multiple .22 wounds, including to the head, but the important part is probably that they did flee instead of continuing the attack.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at November 19, 2017 01:58 PM (rp9xB)
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142 I can't afford much, and I want stopping power. Next step after I buy it is concealed carry, so it should be good for that.
Posted by: booknlass at November 19, 2017 01:54 PM (9mZIr)
There a number of subcompact centerfire pistols you can get for the same price or less than a Ruger 22/45.
Posted by: booknlass at November 19, 2017 01:54 PM (9mZIr)
There a number of subcompact centerfire pistols you can get for the same price or less than a Ruger 22/45.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at November 19, 2017 01:58 PM (NWiLs)
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I can't afford much, and I want stopping power. Next step after I buy it is concealed carry, so it should be good for that.
Posted by: booknlass
Check your state laws on what is the minimum caliber for taking your chl test. Some states will not allow .22 lr, .25 acp, or .380.
If you are only buying one gun, that will help determine caliber.
Posted by: booknlass
Check your state laws on what is the minimum caliber for taking your chl test. Some states will not allow .22 lr, .25 acp, or .380.
If you are only buying one gun, that will help determine caliber.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 19, 2017 02:00 PM (P0DGT)
Posted by: Kindltot at November 19, 2017 02:00 PM (2K6fY)
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but the important part is probably that they did flee instead of continuing the attack.
That was one of the things I got out of reading gun magazines mumble years ago. Something like "a .22 might not kill an attacker but it will change his attitude".
I tried to explain this to Mommy after she was widowed and afraid of things that go bump in the night and I gave her a .22 revolver, but she couldn't get over her fear of guns and I ended up taking it back.
That was one of the things I got out of reading gun magazines mumble years ago. Something like "a .22 might not kill an attacker but it will change his attitude".
I tried to explain this to Mommy after she was widowed and afraid of things that go bump in the night and I gave her a .22 revolver, but she couldn't get over her fear of guns and I ended up taking it back.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 19, 2017 02:02 PM (gIRsn)
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Posted by: rickb223 at November 19, 2017 02:00 PM (P0DGT)
What is the rationale given for having a minimum caliber?
What is the rationale given for having a minimum caliber?
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at November 19, 2017 02:02 PM (rp9xB)
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Have my 300 Win Mag hand loads programmed into a Sig Sauer 2400ABS Laser. The biggest problem I see with the Laser is that you have a choice on how to handle the wind deflection issue. Either you put in your estimated wind direction and speed for each shot or you put in a zero for wind which will give you the spin drift and Coriolis only, and you then use a printed table for wind deflections to add or subtract from the indicated horizontal deflection. I'll probably go the latter route.
The laser is light, accurate and easy to use. It combines a weather station, long range laser finder, compass, inclinometer and the ABS computer program for ballistics calculations. Like any precision instrument, you don't want to drop it. It comes with the custom curves for the Hornady 225 grain ELDM bullet I am using so it will give accurate hold offs even in the extremely long distances where the bullet has gone subsonic. While the laser is expensive (Street around $1500) - I think it is well worth the money.
The laser is light, accurate and easy to use. It combines a weather station, long range laser finder, compass, inclinometer and the ABS computer program for ballistics calculations. Like any precision instrument, you don't want to drop it. It comes with the custom curves for the Hornady 225 grain ELDM bullet I am using so it will give accurate hold offs even in the extremely long distances where the bullet has gone subsonic. While the laser is expensive (Street around $1500) - I think it is well worth the money.
Posted by: An Observation at November 19, 2017 02:03 PM (fzlcO)
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Speaking of recoilless rifles, I have a love/hate relationship with them. I was briefly an M67 90mm gunner in the mid-80s. Loved firing it, especially the flechette round. Carrying that heavy-assed sewer pipe on forced marches, not so much.
Speaking of recoilless rifles, I have a love/hate relationship with them. I was briefly an M67 90mm gunner in the mid-80s. Loved firing it, especially the flechette round. Carrying that heavy-assed sewer pipe on forced marches, not so much.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 19, 2017 02:03 PM (eXA4G)
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Interestingly, though all other threads eventually turn into gun threads, the gun thread itself maintains its gun-centric integrity. Not even likker or bewbs. I am impressed.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 19, 2017 02:04 PM (qJtVm)
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Silly question.
Aquila Mini-shells, in buckshot size.
They have fallen off the planet, or are being sold on gun broker for absolutely ridiculous prices.
Anybody know of a dealer who has them in stock?
Aquila Mini-shells, in buckshot size.
They have fallen off the planet, or are being sold on gun broker for absolutely ridiculous prices.
Anybody know of a dealer who has them in stock?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 19, 2017 02:06 PM (EyPfd)
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66. Rockets. Or recoilless rifles, ftw.
And if we're gonna go mounting recoilless rifles, well, this is Trump's America - do it bigly:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at November 19, 2017 01:12 PM (fA1SL)
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I was trained in fire direction control school on this and the Honest John. Honest John was 762mm in diameter. Could be armed with conventional (1,500 lb HE) warhead, chemical or nuclear ones as well.
66. Rockets. Or recoilless rifles, ftw.
And if we're gonna go mounting recoilless rifles, well, this is Trump's America - do it bigly:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at November 19, 2017 01:12 PM (fA1SL)
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I was trained in fire direction control school on this and the Honest John. Honest John was 762mm in diameter. Could be armed with conventional (1,500 lb HE) warhead, chemical or nuclear ones as well.
Posted by: Javems at November 19, 2017 02:06 PM (yOqwj)
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thanks rickb. I liked the price and the weight of it. but I wondered if it would stop some sumbitch.
Posted by: booknlass at November 19, 2017 01:39 PM (9mZIr)
Well, the other side of the coin is that the magazine probably holds more rounds than your average nine millimeter, and recoil issues, and the resulting flinch reflex are almost non-existent. Meaning you should be able to get more rounds on target quicker. And .22 ammo is cheap, so you can afford to do plenty of practice.
If the price is really cheap, I'd say go ahead and buy it. Good for practice, if nothing else, and for fun plinking, and gaining familiarity. If it's $300 or more, and you can afford only one pistol, then there are many 9 mm offerings in that price range.
When it comes to a real self-defense situation, a .22 in your hand is better than a .45 that you never bought.
Posted by: booknlass at November 19, 2017 01:39 PM (9mZIr)
Well, the other side of the coin is that the magazine probably holds more rounds than your average nine millimeter, and recoil issues, and the resulting flinch reflex are almost non-existent. Meaning you should be able to get more rounds on target quicker. And .22 ammo is cheap, so you can afford to do plenty of practice.
If the price is really cheap, I'd say go ahead and buy it. Good for practice, if nothing else, and for fun plinking, and gaining familiarity. If it's $300 or more, and you can afford only one pistol, then there are many 9 mm offerings in that price range.
When it comes to a real self-defense situation, a .22 in your hand is better than a .45 that you never bought.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 19, 2017 02:06 PM (oPNmq)
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Something like "a .22 might not kill an attacker but it will change his attitude".
Believe me, getting shot with one is wayyy down on my Things To Do list, but if (God forbid) I ever need to shoot another human being, it's because I need him to stop doing whatever he's doing RIGHT FRIGGIN' NOW. I don't want count on him working on his attitude and reconsidering his life choices.
Believe me, getting shot with one is wayyy down on my Things To Do list, but if (God forbid) I ever need to shoot another human being, it's because I need him to stop doing whatever he's doing RIGHT FRIGGIN' NOW. I don't want count on him working on his attitude and reconsidering his life choices.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 19, 2017 02:06 PM (7oUUT)
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What is the rationale given for having a minimum caliber?
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette
No idea. Possibly because they don't feel that they are effective.
Texas has changed a bunch. They now allow .22lr. Used to they didn't. Also, if you only qualified with a revolver, that's all you could carry. They changed that too.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette
No idea. Possibly because they don't feel that they are effective.
Texas has changed a bunch. They now allow .22lr. Used to they didn't. Also, if you only qualified with a revolver, that's all you could carry. They changed that too.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 19, 2017 02:06 PM (P0DGT)
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Also, Taro-the-Beretta-Whore:
I have a mint 1919 (metal grips), 1930 straight grip Navy, mint 1935
in the box, a model 70 mint in the box, a Model 100 (the long barrel
Series 70 with target sights, and a mint Model 81 (which, as you know,
is the original "Browning BDA" ).
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Agghhhh! Ya killin' me!
I missed out by about two days on a Model 82. Unobtanium magazines, but I love the non-hooked trigger guard.
Also, Taro-the-Beretta-Whore:
I have a mint 1919 (metal grips), 1930 straight grip Navy, mint 1935
in the box, a model 70 mint in the box, a Model 100 (the long barrel
Series 70 with target sights, and a mint Model 81 (which, as you know,
is the original "Browning BDA" ).
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Agghhhh! Ya killin' me!
I missed out by about two days on a Model 82. Unobtanium magazines, but I love the non-hooked trigger guard.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at November 19, 2017 02:07 PM (1ouh3)
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I can't afford much, and I want stopping power.-/i]
Rock Island Armory M206 .38 special is a cheap and decent purse gun. You can get a new one for ~$230.
Rock Island Armory M206 .38 special is a cheap and decent purse gun. You can get a new one for ~$230.
Posted by: Under Fire at November 19, 2017 02:07 PM (r9UYA)
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What drives me nuts is that none of the Common Sense Gun Controls would have more than a marginal effect on reducing gun crime, and an infinitesimal effect on reducing gun mass murders.
And we know this because of Science. We've in effect run many controlled experiments, with and without, side by side. The evidence is there.
But Feelz, and cynical political manipulation.
And we know this because of Science. We've in effect run many controlled experiments, with and without, side by side. The evidence is there.
But Feelz, and cynical political manipulation.
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 19, 2017 02:07 PM (pV/54)
Posted by: Under Fire at November 19, 2017 02:07 PM (r9UYA)
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"DC has 24.1, Chicago has 28.7, Baltimore 55.4, despite their being ant-legal firearm ownership. Go figure. "
Good point about murder rates. Looked up the major Texas cities, to see how they would compare, since even though they're usually run by the Dems they still have effective police forces.
Houston - 13.3
Dallas - 10.7
Fort Worth - 6.7
San Antonio - 6.4
Austin - 2.5
About what I'd expected, especially given that Houston is one of the major transfer points for the narcotraficantes. They've got a heavy, heavy presence there.
Austin is so low because it's still basically just a government town with a big college and now, a booming high-tech industry with a lot of very upscale people.
Good point about murder rates. Looked up the major Texas cities, to see how they would compare, since even though they're usually run by the Dems they still have effective police forces.
Houston - 13.3
Dallas - 10.7
Fort Worth - 6.7
San Antonio - 6.4
Austin - 2.5
About what I'd expected, especially given that Houston is one of the major transfer points for the narcotraficantes. They've got a heavy, heavy presence there.
Austin is so low because it's still basically just a government town with a big college and now, a booming high-tech industry with a lot of very upscale people.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 19, 2017 02:08 PM (V2Yro)
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would a Ruger 22/45 be a good self defense gun for me, an 'ette?
Posted by: booknlass
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Next time she is here, talk to Peaches. She is a small framed woman (her own description) and I believe has studied the topic at some length, purely hypothetically, of course.
Posted by: booknlass
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Next time she is here, talk to Peaches. She is a small framed woman (her own description) and I believe has studied the topic at some length, purely hypothetically, of course.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 19, 2017 02:09 PM (y3sT9)
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Single shot rifle.
No magazine.
No Thing that goes up.
So it would be safer than an AR-15, and available for purchase?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device)
No magazine.
No Thing that goes up.
So it would be safer than an AR-15, and available for purchase?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 19, 2017 02:10 PM (EyPfd)
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would a Ruger 22/45 be a good self defense gun for me, an 'ette?
Posted by: booknlass at November 19, 2017 01:31 PM (9mZIr)
There have already been several guys discussing the best cartridge to select, and I don't disagree with any of them. But I think it is really important to get something that you're comfortable shooting, so that you will practice and develop the muscle memory to instinctively run the gun. If you have weapon you don't like to shoot, you won't tend to go to the range very much.
If you're not already familiar with the Cornered Cat website, I highly recommend it. The section on choosing a firearm is excellent. The whole site is an absorbing timewaster:
http://www.corneredcat.com/Contents/
would a Ruger 22/45 be a good self defense gun for me, an 'ette?
Posted by: booknlass at November 19, 2017 01:31 PM (9mZIr)
There have already been several guys discussing the best cartridge to select, and I don't disagree with any of them. But I think it is really important to get something that you're comfortable shooting, so that you will practice and develop the muscle memory to instinctively run the gun. If you have weapon you don't like to shoot, you won't tend to go to the range very much.
If you're not already familiar with the Cornered Cat website, I highly recommend it. The section on choosing a firearm is excellent. The whole site is an absorbing timewaster:
http://www.corneredcat.com/Contents/
Posted by: Monty James at November 19, 2017 02:10 PM (gKOMX)
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Saw a article not long ago the US Army was looking into recoilless rifles again
Posted by: Skip at November 19, 2017 02:10 PM (aC6Sd)
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There are news reports all the time about would-be robbers/home invaders fleeing after multiple .22 wounds, including to the head, but the important part is probably that they did flee instead of continuing the attack.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at November 19, 2017 01:58 PM (rp9xB)
Years back I saw a statistic that no homeowner had ever been killed by the assailant if they put a bullet - no matter what size - into someone who meant to rob or harm them.
I can't see a thug looking at the blood pouring out of his leg and getting his calipers out and measuring the entrance wound. If the statistic is correct any size bullet hole is a good size bullet hole.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at November 19, 2017 01:58 PM (rp9xB)
Years back I saw a statistic that no homeowner had ever been killed by the assailant if they put a bullet - no matter what size - into someone who meant to rob or harm them.
I can't see a thug looking at the blood pouring out of his leg and getting his calipers out and measuring the entrance wound. If the statistic is correct any size bullet hole is a good size bullet hole.
Posted by: Ace Tractor Seat Supply at November 19, 2017 02:11 PM (ajiE5)
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So it would be safer than an AR-15, and available for purchase?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 19, 2017 02:10 PM (EyPfd)
Decent stopping power.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 19, 2017 02:10 PM (EyPfd)
Decent stopping power.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 19, 2017 02:11 PM (ycWCI)
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Pennsylvania black powder firearms are cash and carry, even reproductions
Posted by: Skip at November 19, 2017 02:11 PM (aC6Sd)
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>>>It's all very strange, and I think spells the end of the Huffington Post -- now known officially as "HuffPost" -- as a site anyone pays the slightest attention to.
HuffPostMortem. It does look a lot more minimalist from the last time I visited them several years ago. I do see a link on "Lifestyle" where you can access the soft news, but yes, it's not on the front page.
I love the video "Is Shep the only voice of reason on Fox News?" He is such a turd. I wonder if he's being given the freedom to do that, or if he's being instructed to do that so as to be the token liberal.
HuffPostMortem. It does look a lot more minimalist from the last time I visited them several years ago. I do see a link on "Lifestyle" where you can access the soft news, but yes, it's not on the front page.
I love the video "Is Shep the only voice of reason on Fox News?" He is such a turd. I wonder if he's being given the freedom to do that, or if he's being instructed to do that so as to be the token liberal.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 19, 2017 02:12 PM (/qEW2)
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What drives me nuts is that none of the Common Sense Gun Controls would have more than a marginal effect on reducing gun crime,
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You haven't heard my plan. Simply disarm all Democrats. Gun related crime would plumment. When the topic comes up, liberal acquaintances seem curiously unable to endorse this plan, and yet, can not tell me why.
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You haven't heard my plan. Simply disarm all Democrats. Gun related crime would plumment. When the topic comes up, liberal acquaintances seem curiously unable to endorse this plan, and yet, can not tell me why.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 19, 2017 02:13 PM (y3sT9)
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2018... Maybe look at reloading.
Posted by: Keith at November 19, 2017 01:12 PM (USf3s)
Try these guys....I got the 20 rounders for my C93 and fit and run well.
http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/HK-93-33-33K-53-Magazines-Mag-Clamps-Loader-c156.htm
Posted by: Keith at November 19, 2017 01:12 PM (USf3s)
Try these guys....I got the 20 rounders for my C93 and fit and run well.
http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/HK-93-33-33K-53-Magazines-Mag-Clamps-Loader-c156.htm
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 19, 2017 02:13 PM (nUkMr)
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An interesting quote from Ted Nugent on Louder with Crowder last week. "It's the bill of rights not the bill of needs" Not original to Ted but I had not heard it before.
Posted by: X-ray at November 19, 2017 02:15 PM (VDQek)
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I worked with a guy once, we all know his wife was pretty big and had a "poor attitude" at times. She was on the street downtown and some guy tried to grab her purse, she wouldn't let go, he pulled out a .25, told her to let it go, she said the Hell with you, so he shot her somewhere in the side, so she beat the shit out of him and dragged him to a police station that was about a block away. They had to make her go get treated, since she was so mad she didn't even feel it.
After that her husband would always say " whatever you do, don't shoot Lucy. It just pisses her off."
(also don't ever own a .25)
After that her husband would always say " whatever you do, don't shoot Lucy. It just pisses her off."
(also don't ever own a .25)
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 19, 2017 02:15 PM (V2Yro)
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Saw a article not long ago the US Army was looking into recoilless rifles again
Posted by: Skip
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The Horde has always had a strong affinity for the Ontus.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/yd2acpsd
Posted by: Skip
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The Horde has always had a strong affinity for the Ontus.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/yd2acpsd
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 19, 2017 02:16 PM (y3sT9)
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There were no practical repeating firearms available prior to the introduction of the percussion cap, with the exception of double-barreled pieces. There were quite a number of experimental pieces, but they simply weren't useful weapons. Pointing to them is a poor counter to a stupid argument.
A better response might be to point out that 1) muskets were military weapons specifically adapted to killing people and rather more effective than a lot of people these days tend to believe, and 2) the 2nd Amendment doesn't say "firearms," but "arms." That includes the rest of the 18th century armory that was used to compensate for the weakness of muzzleloading weapons - bayonets, swords (in quite a variety of forms), daggers and dirks, pikes, spontoons/spears, halberds, tomahawks, and even war clubs.
A better response might be to point out that 1) muskets were military weapons specifically adapted to killing people and rather more effective than a lot of people these days tend to believe, and 2) the 2nd Amendment doesn't say "firearms," but "arms." That includes the rest of the 18th century armory that was used to compensate for the weakness of muzzleloading weapons - bayonets, swords (in quite a variety of forms), daggers and dirks, pikes, spontoons/spears, halberds, tomahawks, and even war clubs.
Posted by: Grey Fox at November 19, 2017 02:18 PM (bZ7mE)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at November 19, 2017 02:18 PM (Nwg0u)
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I finally got to the range on Friday and it felt good to send some lead down range. Had the chance to try out the new BX trigger on the Ruger 10/22. And having that trigger pull reduced by at least half made a difference.
Also, I brought the Marlin Model 60, which I haven't used in several years. Forgot just how sweet a 22lr it is. It easily kept up with the Ruger for reliability and accuracy. If I still hunted I would feel confident using either of them.
Also, I brought the Marlin Model 60, which I haven't used in several years. Forgot just how sweet a 22lr it is. It easily kept up with the Ruger for reliability and accuracy. If I still hunted I would feel confident using either of them.
Posted by: JTB at November 19, 2017 02:18 PM (V+03K)
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Rock Island Armory M206 .38 special is a cheap and decent purse gun. You can get a new one for ~$230.
Posted by: Under Fire at November 19, 2017 02:07 PM (r9UYA)
That looks interesting. I also was going to suggest a "full weight" .38 snubbie. Charter Arms seems to have a good product these days as well. Not sure about Rossi. And plenty to choose from on the second hand market.
Posted by: Under Fire at November 19, 2017 02:07 PM (r9UYA)
That looks interesting. I also was going to suggest a "full weight" .38 snubbie. Charter Arms seems to have a good product these days as well. Not sure about Rossi. And plenty to choose from on the second hand market.
Posted by: Keith at November 19, 2017 02:18 PM (USf3s)
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I have always followed the advice in a biker magazine from nearly 40 years ago. Guy said in prison he knew lots of guys shot by 9mm' s, no one by a 45
Posted by: Skip at November 19, 2017 02:21 PM (aC6Sd)
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booknlass, my main beef with .22 for a defense round is that primer failures are not uncommon. It would not be a good feeling to pull the trigger and hear "click."
For an economical gun in a carry size in decent caliber, look into the Bersa .380. Go to galleryofguns.com and use their Gun Genie to find the Bersa pistols (select "Bersa" from brand and ".380" from caliber, and pop in your zip code.) I've heard the "Plus" models with 15-round mags sometimes have issues, but I've heard only good things about the regular 8-round mag models.
Not a recommendation, just a suggestion. I'm probably going to grab one myself soon. Try before you buy, if possible.
For an economical gun in a carry size in decent caliber, look into the Bersa .380. Go to galleryofguns.com and use their Gun Genie to find the Bersa pistols (select "Bersa" from brand and ".380" from caliber, and pop in your zip code.) I've heard the "Plus" models with 15-round mags sometimes have issues, but I've heard only good things about the regular 8-round mag models.
Not a recommendation, just a suggestion. I'm probably going to grab one myself soon. Try before you buy, if possible.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at November 19, 2017 02:22 PM (1ouh3)
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And an ammo alert.
Walmart still has the Federal Auto-match 22lr in a box of 325 for $14.88. Less than a nickel a round.
And Mrs VIA's AR-15 with the CMMG dedicated upper eats the stuff like candy.
Walmart still has the Federal Auto-match 22lr in a box of 325 for $14.88. Less than a nickel a round.
And Mrs VIA's AR-15 with the CMMG dedicated upper eats the stuff like candy.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 19, 2017 02:23 PM (EyPfd)
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Try these guys....I got the 20 rounders for my C93 and fit and run well.
http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/HK-93-33-33K-53-Magazines-Mag-Clamps-Loader-c156.htm
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 19, 2017 02:13 PM (nUkMr)
Thanks. That's where I got my 30 rounders. I got 4 --3 worked fine and 1 likely requires the modding they mention. The surplus Mag I received with the gun was full of sand and dust. I cleaned it out good but it's buggy. I'll likely try to do a spring replacement and see what happens.
http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/HK-93-33-33K-53-Magazines-Mag-Clamps-Loader-c156.htm
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 19, 2017 02:13 PM (nUkMr)
Thanks. That's where I got my 30 rounders. I got 4 --3 worked fine and 1 likely requires the modding they mention. The surplus Mag I received with the gun was full of sand and dust. I cleaned it out good but it's buggy. I'll likely try to do a spring replacement and see what happens.
Posted by: Keith at November 19, 2017 02:23 PM (USf3s)
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booknlass, I have a .38 special that I love. I had stocked up on ammo before the omamao hoopla. It will stop someone, doesn't have much of a kick and fits my hand nicely. I am just an average size female.
Posted by: Infidel at November 19, 2017 02:24 PM (4ZKcy)
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I have read about this Puckle gun before, it used square bullets for Muzzies, round for Christians
Posted by: Skip at November 19, 2017 02:24 PM (aC6Sd)
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"Second amendment proponents have been repeatedly told the Founding Fathers didn't have anything more than a musket."
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When the press tries that one, I ask, "Wait, why are they called 'the press' when they aren't using a printing press?"
If the 2nd Amendment only applies to muskets, then the 1st Amendment only applies to reporters who use a printing press.
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When the press tries that one, I ask, "Wait, why are they called 'the press' when they aren't using a printing press?"
If the 2nd Amendment only applies to muskets, then the 1st Amendment only applies to reporters who use a printing press.
Posted by: RKae at November 19, 2017 02:24 PM (NMr2n)
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My iWatch is happy that I'm "crushing it" today.
But do my guns ever tell me that they're happy that I'm "crushing it"?
No, the ungrateful bastards do not.
My iWatch is happy that I'm "crushing it" today.
But do my guns ever tell me that they're happy that I'm "crushing it"?
No, the ungrateful bastards do not.
Posted by: naturalfake at November 19, 2017 02:25 PM (NyJwR)
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Recommending a gun for someone is problematical (my word for the day I guess). recommending against a specific gun because it has problems is not.
Best is to visit a store that has many and try them for how they feel in you hand. How easy they are to use, rack, load, disassemble to clean, carry, etc. Then try firing the ones you like if they have that ability where you shop. If not find a range that rents ones you like.
.22 will kill but outside of a lucky brain or spinal hit will not rapidly dissuade a bad guy from his evil purpose. If I was to get an inexpensive .22 for home defense it would likely be that Keltec 30 round .22 magnum pistol and loaded with the Speer .22 magnum gold dot ammo. Volume making up for the small bullet. But that is me and I already have several home defense guns that are at least .38 special or more.
Best is to visit a store that has many and try them for how they feel in you hand. How easy they are to use, rack, load, disassemble to clean, carry, etc. Then try firing the ones you like if they have that ability where you shop. If not find a range that rents ones you like.
.22 will kill but outside of a lucky brain or spinal hit will not rapidly dissuade a bad guy from his evil purpose. If I was to get an inexpensive .22 for home defense it would likely be that Keltec 30 round .22 magnum pistol and loaded with the Speer .22 magnum gold dot ammo. Volume making up for the small bullet. But that is me and I already have several home defense guns that are at least .38 special or more.
Posted by: geoffb at November 19, 2017 02:26 PM (zOpu5)
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But do my guns ever tell me that they're happy that I'm "crushing it"?
They should say "Nailed it!"
They should say "Nailed it!"
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 19, 2017 02:26 PM (qJtVm)
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OT: Trump is not much of a turn-the-other-cheek-er:
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Now that the three basketball players are out of China and saved from years in jail, LaVar Ball, the father of LiAngelo, is unaccepting of what I did for his son and that shoplifting is no big deal. I should have left them in jail!
10:42 AM - Nov 19, 2017
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Now that the three basketball players are out of China and saved from years in jail, LaVar Ball, the father of LiAngelo, is unaccepting of what I did for his son and that shoplifting is no big deal. I should have left them in jail!
10:42 AM - Nov 19, 2017
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at November 19, 2017 02:26 PM (Nwg0u)
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But do my guns ever tell me that they're happy that I'm "crushing it"?
No, the ungrateful bastards do not.
Posted by: naturalfake
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If you can't hear your guns' joy, then you are not listening!
You would probably have a tough time hearing Garrett Morris!
No, the ungrateful bastards do not.
Posted by: naturalfake
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If you can't hear your guns' joy, then you are not listening!
You would probably have a tough time hearing Garrett Morris!
Posted by: RKae at November 19, 2017 02:26 PM (NMr2n)
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Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 19, 2017 01:04 PM (y3sT9)
Good to see you back. With you and Muldoon both returned a serious gap in the Horde has been filled.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at November 19, 2017 01:11 PM (rp9xB)
Seconded.
Good to see you back. With you and Muldoon both returned a serious gap in the Horde has been filled.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at November 19, 2017 01:11 PM (rp9xB)
Seconded.
Posted by: JT at November 19, 2017 02:27 PM (TZagw)
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22 LR is inadequate for self defense. IMO, 9 mm (or .380 in a high
performance load like Corbon) is the minimum for self defense. However,
the Ruger 22/45 would be an excellent gun for training and practice.
People rarely ask what caliber weapon they have been shot with.
Around 1900 there was a professional hunter in Africa who hunted and killed Elephants with single shots from a .22 just to show people it could be done.
The stat I read on hand guns was this: people shot once with a hand gun - all calibers from .22 to .45 - stood an 80% chance of surviving. People shot twice with a hand gun - all calibers from .22 to .45 - stood a 90% chance of dying.
I think a .22 revolver is a much better choice than a .22 auto - simply because of the reliability issues with .rimfire ammo - which, in my opinion, is the main suitability issue for a .22 for self defense.
performance load like Corbon) is the minimum for self defense. However,
the Ruger 22/45 would be an excellent gun for training and practice.
People rarely ask what caliber weapon they have been shot with.
Around 1900 there was a professional hunter in Africa who hunted and killed Elephants with single shots from a .22 just to show people it could be done.
The stat I read on hand guns was this: people shot once with a hand gun - all calibers from .22 to .45 - stood an 80% chance of surviving. People shot twice with a hand gun - all calibers from .22 to .45 - stood a 90% chance of dying.
I think a .22 revolver is a much better choice than a .22 auto - simply because of the reliability issues with .rimfire ammo - which, in my opinion, is the main suitability issue for a .22 for self defense.
Posted by: An Observation at November 19, 2017 02:27 PM (fzlcO)
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189 Excellent.
Posted by: Johnny at November 19, 2017 02:27 PM (kUotE)
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That looks interesting. I also was going to suggest a "full weight" .38 snubbie. Charter Arms seems to have a good product these days as well. Not sure about Rossi. And plenty to choose from on the second hand market.
Posted by: Keith
Taurus over Rossi. JMHO
Posted by: Keith
Taurus over Rossi. JMHO
Posted by: rickb223 at November 19, 2017 02:27 PM (P0DGT)
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Keep using the 30-06 and buy a Martin guitar.
Your gun's fine and good for groundhogs to grizzlies. You'll use the Martin to serenade the others back at the camp.
Your gun's fine and good for groundhogs to grizzlies. You'll use the Martin to serenade the others back at the camp.
Posted by: Les Kinetic at November 19, 2017 02:27 PM (BeKMO)
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I might have to go on very low dose Coumadin for A-Fib. It occurred to me to use some slip on recoil pads for my center fire rifles, especially the ones with those nice forgiving steel butt plates. I can handle any rational amount of recoil but probably want to avoid big bruises.
I've been looking at the Pachmayr Decelerator pads and the Allen Recoil Eraser. Anybody have experience with these or others like them?
Thanks for any suggestions.
I've been looking at the Pachmayr Decelerator pads and the Allen Recoil Eraser. Anybody have experience with these or others like them?
Thanks for any suggestions.
Posted by: JTB at November 19, 2017 02:28 PM (V+03K)
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198 That looks interesting. I also was going to suggest a "full weight" .38 snubbie. Charter Arms seems to have a good product these days as well. Not sure about Rossi. And plenty to choose from on the second hand market.
Posted by: Keith
Taurus over Rossi. JMHO
Posted by: rickb223 at November 19, 2017 02:27 PM (P0DGT)
Or EAA. They make some decent, economical handguns.
Posted by: Keith
Taurus over Rossi. JMHO
Posted by: rickb223 at November 19, 2017 02:27 PM (P0DGT)
Or EAA. They make some decent, economical handguns.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at November 19, 2017 02:28 PM (NWiLs)
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Not a recommendation, just a suggestion. I'm probably going to grab one myself soon. Try before you buy, if possible.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at November 19, 2017 02:22 PM (1ouh3)
I've not shot one and I know they are very popular... but, I believe they are blowback. I have x3 blowback guns in 9mm Markov and that power level a blowback action generates a nice recoil. It's too bad there are so few options in .380 that have a locking action. I believe that combo is the percent solution for the recoil sensitive.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at November 19, 2017 02:22 PM (1ouh3)
I've not shot one and I know they are very popular... but, I believe they are blowback. I have x3 blowback guns in 9mm Markov and that power level a blowback action generates a nice recoil. It's too bad there are so few options in .380 that have a locking action. I believe that combo is the percent solution for the recoil sensitive.
Posted by: Keith at November 19, 2017 02:28 PM (USf3s)
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"Second amendment proponents have been repeatedly told the Founding Fathers didn't have anything more than a musket."
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That and testicles.
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That and testicles.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at November 19, 2017 02:28 PM (Nwg0u)
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Booknlass, I have almost zero expertise, but I did touch some guns at a gun show once and found the shape of the grip made a huge difference in perceived usability.
I have very small hands (wedding ring size: 3.75) but some small grips didn't feel very stable in my hands. I really liked the way the LadySmith revolver felt.
When I actually go gun shopping, I want to try the LadySmith, the S&W Shield, and the Ruger LCP.
I have very small hands (wedding ring size: 3.75) but some small grips didn't feel very stable in my hands. I really liked the way the LadySmith revolver felt.
When I actually go gun shopping, I want to try the LadySmith, the S&W Shield, and the Ruger LCP.
Posted by: Emmie -- please, no public display of insanity at November 19, 2017 02:28 PM (ZapPq)
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Thanks everyone. I checked the Illinois gun laws and see no minimum caliber for taking the test.
But I might be looking in the wrong place.
But I might be looking in the wrong place.
Posted by: booknlass at November 19, 2017 02:28 PM (9mZIr)
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No, the ungrateful bastards do not.
Posted by: naturalfake
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Oh, so you own a High Standard?
Posted by: naturalfake
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Oh, so you own a High Standard?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 19, 2017 02:28 PM (y3sT9)
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166 would a Ruger 22/45 be a good self defense gun for me, an 'ette?
Posted by: booknlass
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Next time she is here, talk to Peaches. She is a small framed woman (her own description) and I believe has studied the topic at some length, purely hypothetically, of course.
Posted by: Mike Hammer
IIRC, Peaches' 'fluffy' is a stainless Ruger 5 shot revolver, .38/.357 SP 101, 3 inch barrel. (Ihave one, that's why I remember).
I'd also suggest a Ruger LC9, or similar.
When my shoulder or wrists act up (arthritis) I carry the SP, otherwise I ccw the lighter LC9. Revolvers are still around for a reason. Racking a semi action with poor grip strength is a real issue.
Posted by: booknlass
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Next time she is here, talk to Peaches. She is a small framed woman (her own description) and I believe has studied the topic at some length, purely hypothetically, of course.
Posted by: Mike Hammer
IIRC, Peaches' 'fluffy' is a stainless Ruger 5 shot revolver, .38/.357 SP 101, 3 inch barrel. (Ihave one, that's why I remember).
I'd also suggest a Ruger LC9, or similar.
When my shoulder or wrists act up (arthritis) I carry the SP, otherwise I ccw the lighter LC9. Revolvers are still around for a reason. Racking a semi action with poor grip strength is a real issue.
Posted by: mr brown at November 19, 2017 02:29 PM (3tkRx)
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205 Thanks everyone. I checked the Illinois gun laws and see no minimum caliber for taking the test.
But I might be looking in the wrong place.
Posted by: booknlass at November 19, 2017 02:28 PM (9mZIr)
You need to leave the People's Glorious Democratic Republic of Illinois and move to a free state.
But I might be looking in the wrong place.
Posted by: booknlass at November 19, 2017 02:28 PM (9mZIr)
You need to leave the People's Glorious Democratic Republic of Illinois and move to a free state.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at November 19, 2017 02:29 PM (NWiLs)
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Im using a Ruger Precision in 308 for deer season, started yesterday. Got rained out and today was too busy, but Im headed out tomorrow morning. If I get something Ill let you guys and gals know.
Posted by: You will love my Richard at November 19, 2017 02:30 PM (8Zq2n)
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Good to see you back. With you and Muldoon both returned a serious gap in the Horde has been filled.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at November 19, 2017 01:11 PM (rp9xB)
Seconded.
Posted by: JT
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Thanks guys. I'm just blather, but Muldoon is art.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at November 19, 2017 01:11 PM (rp9xB)
Seconded.
Posted by: JT
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Thanks guys. I'm just blather, but Muldoon is art.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 19, 2017 02:30 PM (y3sT9)
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Thanks guys. I'm just blather, but Muldoon is art.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 19, 2017 02:30 PM (y3sT9)
Even Pollock and Rothko are considered art (by some) so there's plenty of leeway there.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 19, 2017 02:30 PM (y3sT9)
Even Pollock and Rothko are considered art (by some) so there's plenty of leeway there.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at November 19, 2017 02:30 PM (NWiLs)
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Hate to go OT in such a well armed thread, but I thought you guys might get a chuckle:
Word around the interwebz is the Miami/Tampa Bay NFL game in Miami has attendance of... Maybe 10k. The report is they've closed the upper bowl and moved everyone down. Stadium capacity is 65,300 or so.
It must be because of the Holiday week or something...
Word around the interwebz is the Miami/Tampa Bay NFL game in Miami has attendance of... Maybe 10k. The report is they've closed the upper bowl and moved everyone down. Stadium capacity is 65,300 or so.
It must be because of the Holiday week or something...
Posted by: Bilwis, suddenly not a finicky eater at November 19, 2017 02:31 PM (tMFgx)
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Present. Great gum thread. Thanks, MH.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 19, 2017 02:31 PM (tbOMB)
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Weekend Gun Thread! Sorry I'm late... stopped by the office on the way home from the range this morning.
Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2017 02:31 PM (Sfs6o)
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@178 If it wasn't so hard to spell, and you didn't have to get out to reload, there would be McDonalds in Hanoi today.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 19, 2017 02:32 PM (H5rtT)
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Most of the regulations, especially in Southern states, came in concert with the increasingly onerous slave codes.
Posted by: whig at November 19, 2017 12:24 PM (s8rl2)
Unfortunately I do not have a reference but have read some of the earliest (colonial) regs was that you couldn't let your slave(s) have guns. Probably right around when the colonial gov started to recognize the difference between "slavery" and "indentured servitude".
Posted by: whig at November 19, 2017 12:24 PM (s8rl2)
Unfortunately I do not have a reference but have read some of the earliest (colonial) regs was that you couldn't let your slave(s) have guns. Probably right around when the colonial gov started to recognize the difference between "slavery" and "indentured servitude".
Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 19, 2017 02:32 PM (IWbvi)
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I'll likely try to do a spring replacement and see what happens.
Posted by: Keith at November 19, 2017 02:23 PM (USf3s)
Cool!......my C93 was bought used and it is as accurate as my AR's and runs great.
Century guns, except for their newer AK's, are assembled from used parts with a new barrel so it's fun to work out all the kinks.
In the past, they bought surplus guns/parts by the ton on pallets so there are bound to be a lemon or three in the mix.
Sometimes not even a new barrel but you take your chances.
Posted by: Keith at November 19, 2017 02:23 PM (USf3s)
Cool!......my C93 was bought used and it is as accurate as my AR's and runs great.
Century guns, except for their newer AK's, are assembled from used parts with a new barrel so it's fun to work out all the kinks.
In the past, they bought surplus guns/parts by the ton on pallets so there are bound to be a lemon or three in the mix.
Sometimes not even a new barrel but you take your chances.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 19, 2017 02:32 PM (nUkMr)
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BTW I cannot BELIEVE the convolution and sheer density of the gun laws I just read.
it would be so easy to break one of those regulations, just because you didn't know it.
it would be so easy to break one of those regulations, just because you didn't know it.
Posted by: booknlass at November 19, 2017 02:33 PM (9mZIr)
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For home defense, the other Morons are right - it's tough to beat a double-action .38 revolver for reliability and simplicity. Not so great for carry, though. And I'd definitely avoid a snubbie. 3" barrel minimum.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at November 19, 2017 02:33 PM (1ouh3)
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The right bullet for the defensive situation is also important now that we have choices other than FMJ. Winter clothing vs summer wear of the bad guy. Apartment vs home and are others only a thin wall away?
Posted by: geoffb at November 19, 2017 02:33 PM (zOpu5)
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218 BTW I cannot BELIEVE the convolution and sheer density of the gun laws I just read.
it would be so easy to break one of those regulations, just because you didn't know it.
Posted by: booknlass at November 19, 2017 02:33 PM (9mZIr)
That's the idea.
it would be so easy to break one of those regulations, just because you didn't know it.
Posted by: booknlass at November 19, 2017 02:33 PM (9mZIr)
That's the idea.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at November 19, 2017 02:34 PM (NWiLs)
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Back when men were men.
http://bit.ly/2AdRNmi
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at November 19, 2017 02:18 PM (Nwg0u)
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https://tinyurl.com/y892g4ma
Beyotch, please.
http://bit.ly/2AdRNmi
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at November 19, 2017 02:18 PM (Nwg0u)
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https://tinyurl.com/y892g4ma
Beyotch, please.
Posted by: Abraham Lincoln at November 19, 2017 02:35 PM (/qEW2)
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it would be so easy to break one of those regulations, just because you didn't know it.
Posted by: booknlass
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Art. 17.3.1 - Sneezing without covering your mouth will result in loss of concealed carry license.
Posted by: booknlass
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Art. 17.3.1 - Sneezing without covering your mouth will result in loss of concealed carry license.
Posted by: NYC Consolidated Handgun Code at November 19, 2017 02:35 PM (5OO3x)
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Thanks for any suggestions.
Posted by: JTB at November 19, 2017 02:28 PM (V+03K)
I have a Pachmeyr Decelerator on my Remington 700BDL 30.06.
It works fine. I used to fire 20-30 rounds with just a little bit of shoulder soreness.
Posted by: JTB at November 19, 2017 02:28 PM (V+03K)
I have a Pachmeyr Decelerator on my Remington 700BDL 30.06.
It works fine. I used to fire 20-30 rounds with just a little bit of shoulder soreness.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 19, 2017 02:36 PM (wYseH)
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You use a Davey Crockett on the offender's 'hood so they get the message.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 19, 2017 02:36 PM (Edyyb)
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I tried the Al Franken attachment to my muzzleloader, but it just made it louder. Any suggestions?
Get the tongue-depressor. [Sorry; late to the thread.
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Get the tongue-depressor. [Sorry; late to the thread.
]Posted by: andycanuck at November 19, 2017 02:37 PM (mJ8mX)
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I've had my eye on one of those new Ruger Precision rifles and now they are available in 6.5 Creedmoor. Me want.
Posted by: Guzalot
T/C has a nice 6.5 Creedmore offering as well
Posted by: Guzalot
T/C has a nice 6.5 Creedmore offering as well
Posted by: Jean at November 19, 2017 02:37 PM (9TU00)
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Apartment vs home and are others only a thin wall away?
Posted by: geoffb at November 19, 2017 02:33 PM (zOpu5)
Excellent point. I am in a state that makes possession of hollow point or soft point rounds pretty much worse than Hitler. They are legal for home defense, but I can't imagine a prosecutor not taking advantage of that hysterical law if I were ever to use a hollow point for home self defense.
Posted by: geoffb at November 19, 2017 02:33 PM (zOpu5)
Excellent point. I am in a state that makes possession of hollow point or soft point rounds pretty much worse than Hitler. They are legal for home defense, but I can't imagine a prosecutor not taking advantage of that hysterical law if I were ever to use a hollow point for home self defense.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 19, 2017 02:38 PM (wYseH)
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213 Personally I'm a big fan of the Wrigley's product line, but Beeches is a classic. Love clove and blackjack.
Posted by: Johnny at November 19, 2017 02:38 PM (kUotE)
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224 ... CBD, Thanks for that. Just the kind of information I need.
Posted by: JTB at November 19, 2017 02:39 PM (V+03K)
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217 I'll likely try to do a spring replacement and see what happens.
Posted by: Keith at November 19, 2017 02:23 PM (USf3s)
Cool!......my C93 was bought used and it is as accurate as my AR's and runs great.
Century guns, except for their newer AK's, are assembled from used parts with a new barrel so it's fun to work out all the kinks.
In the past, they bought surplus guns/parts by the ton on pallets so there are bound to be a lemon or three in the mix.
Sometimes not even a new barrel but you take your chances.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 19, 2017 02:32 PM (nUkMr)
I'm really happy with mine. the front sight is slightly canted but no biggie. What's neat is that the HK sighting iron sights work well with my aging eyes. I don't have to use light readers to bring everything into focus.
Checked the bolt parameters with my feeler gauges and found it is optimal --in fact at the top end optimal--with all specifications.
And, you simply must get a quality collapsible stock
Posted by: Keith at November 19, 2017 02:23 PM (USf3s)
Cool!......my C93 was bought used and it is as accurate as my AR's and runs great.
Century guns, except for their newer AK's, are assembled from used parts with a new barrel so it's fun to work out all the kinks.
In the past, they bought surplus guns/parts by the ton on pallets so there are bound to be a lemon or three in the mix.
Sometimes not even a new barrel but you take your chances.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 19, 2017 02:32 PM (nUkMr)
I'm really happy with mine. the front sight is slightly canted but no biggie. What's neat is that the HK sighting iron sights work well with my aging eyes. I don't have to use light readers to bring everything into focus.
Checked the bolt parameters with my feeler gauges and found it is optimal --in fact at the top end optimal--with all specifications.
And, you simply must get a quality collapsible stock
Posted by: Keith at November 19, 2017 02:40 PM (USf3s)
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state that makes possession of hollow point or soft point rounds pretty much worse than Hitler
Why, that's just crazy talk. NY? NJ?
Why, that's just crazy talk. NY? NJ?
Posted by: Infidel at November 19, 2017 02:41 PM (4ZKcy)
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it would be so easy to break one of those regulations, just because you didn't know it.
Posted by: booknlass
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If you follow through on this, I would strongly recommend this book:
http://lawofselfdefense.com/book/
Posted by: booknlass
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If you follow through on this, I would strongly recommend this book:
http://lawofselfdefense.com/book/
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 19, 2017 02:41 PM (5OO3x)
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Why not make the fine for the rejected instant background check an administrative fine that can offset tax refunds? Or send the illegal gun purchase attempts to local DAs that want to protect their local citizens?
Posted by: rhennigantx at November 19, 2017 02:42 PM (BtQd4)
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"Pointing to them is a poor counter to a stupid argument."
No, the argument is not whether they were practical (though Lewis and Clark and the Austrian Army might argue the point), but whether the Founding Fathers could have imagined them.
No, the argument is not whether they were practical (though Lewis and Clark and the Austrian Army might argue the point), but whether the Founding Fathers could have imagined them.
Posted by: Piers Rather, Ace Reporter at November 19, 2017 02:42 PM (BsuY/)
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I am in a state that makes possession of hollow point or soft point rounds pretty much worse than Hitler. They are legal for home defense, but I can't imagine a prosecutor not taking advantage of that hysterical law if I were ever to use a hollow point for home self defense.
I had a firearms instructor tell me to use Blaser safety slugs years ago because I could say that I heard that's what LEOs use, the idea being that the more thought went into the lethality of the rounds the worse it would look for you. So, "I don't know nuthin, I just bought these because".
My reason for having Talons in my self-defense mag is that there was an ammo shortage ten years ago when I bought them and that's all that was available.
My reason for having Talons interspersed with solid points is that I don't know what I'm doing and figured I'd just mix in everything.
I had a firearms instructor tell me to use Blaser safety slugs years ago because I could say that I heard that's what LEOs use, the idea being that the more thought went into the lethality of the rounds the worse it would look for you. So, "I don't know nuthin, I just bought these because".
My reason for having Talons in my self-defense mag is that there was an ammo shortage ten years ago when I bought them and that's all that was available.
My reason for having Talons interspersed with solid points is that I don't know what I'm doing and figured I'd just mix in everything.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 19, 2017 02:44 PM (gIRsn)
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203 "Second amendment proponents have been repeatedly told the Founding Fathers didn't have anything more than a musket."
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That and testicles.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at November 19, 2017 02:28 PM (Nwg0u)
Little known fact, but Musket Nutz were a popular accessory during the Revolutionary War.
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That and testicles.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at November 19, 2017 02:28 PM (Nwg0u)
Little known fact, but Musket Nutz were a popular accessory during the Revolutionary War.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at November 19, 2017 02:44 PM (NWiLs)
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For home defense, the other Morons are right - it's tough to beat a double-action .38 revolver for reliability and simplicity. Not so great for carry, though. And I'd definitely avoid a snubbie. 3" barrel minimum.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto
A friend of mine used to have a .357 snubbie (S&W). It was actually a lousy gun (Model 23? if I recall correctly). Hard to hit anything with it, even using .38 special rounds. He had no end of troubles with it, and eventually sold it.
Not a big fan of short barreled revolvers.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto
A friend of mine used to have a .357 snubbie (S&W). It was actually a lousy gun (Model 23? if I recall correctly). Hard to hit anything with it, even using .38 special rounds. He had no end of troubles with it, and eventually sold it.
Not a big fan of short barreled revolvers.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at November 19, 2017 02:46 PM (S6Pax)
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Little known fact, but Musket Nutz were a popular accessory during the Revolutionary War.
Posted by: Insomniac
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There's a joke in this about mini-balls, but I can't stitch it together.
Posted by: Insomniac
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There's a joke in this about mini-balls, but I can't stitch it together.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 19, 2017 02:46 PM (5OO3x)
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No, the argument is not whether they were practical (though Lewis and Clark and the Austrian Army might argue the point), but whether the Founding Fathers could have imagined them.
Lewis and Clark never actually shot that airgun at anything alive, you know. It was basically a bit of "magic" to impress the aborigines.
Also, I'm not sure that an airgun is properly a firearm any more than is a stone/bullet bow.
Lewis and Clark never actually shot that airgun at anything alive, you know. It was basically a bit of "magic" to impress the aborigines.
Also, I'm not sure that an airgun is properly a firearm any more than is a stone/bullet bow.
Posted by: Grey Fox at November 19, 2017 02:47 PM (bZ7mE)
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Thanks for any suggestions.
Posted by: JTB at November 19, 2017 02:28 PM (V+03K)
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JTB - is your cardiologist thinking recoil might be a problem for your A-fib, or is it mostly a comfort thing?
Posted by: JTB at November 19, 2017 02:28 PM (V+03K)
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JTB - is your cardiologist thinking recoil might be a problem for your A-fib, or is it mostly a comfort thing?
Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2017 02:47 PM (Sfs6o)
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I'd love to have a Pickle Gun.
Posted by: soothsayerwing plover at November 19, 2017 12:27 PM (Gguds)
I'm sure it would be a dilly.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 19, 2017 01:32 PM (oPNmq)
Britain's Gherkin mercenaries used them.
Posted by: soothsayerwing plover at November 19, 2017 12:27 PM (Gguds)
I'm sure it would be a dilly.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 19, 2017 01:32 PM (oPNmq)
Britain's Gherkin mercenaries used them.
Posted by: andycanuck at November 19, 2017 02:47 PM (mJ8mX)
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And, you simply must get a quality collapsible stock
Posted by: Keith at November 19, 2017 02:40 PM (USf3s)
Hahaha...to expensive for me! I like to keep the oldies stock but the collapsible adds value and portability.
Yup, great sights, easy to adjust using the rear only.
You Sir have good taste.
Posted by: Keith at November 19, 2017 02:40 PM (USf3s)
Hahaha...to expensive for me! I like to keep the oldies stock but the collapsible adds value and portability.
Yup, great sights, easy to adjust using the rear only.
You Sir have good taste.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 19, 2017 02:48 PM (nUkMr)
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Little known fact, but Musket Nutz were a popular accessory during the Revolutionary War.
Posted by: Insomniac
I didn't know that! And why aren't these available as an AR attachment???
Posted by: Insomniac
I didn't know that! And why aren't these available as an AR attachment???
Posted by: stace at November 19, 2017 02:48 PM (6HFDU)
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at November 19, 2017 02:49 PM (hMwEB)
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@236 Those are GLASER safety slugs.
If misspelling could keep you out of prison,
ah never mind. Insert punch line here.
If misspelling could keep you out of prison,
ah never mind. Insert punch line here.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 19, 2017 02:51 PM (H5rtT)
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On the gun ownership and musket vs. "assault" rifle. The real question is do the Progressives believe that a women can kill a rapist. Can a single mom kill someone that kicks in her door? Can a dad shoot the ex-boyfriend beating on his daughter?
My guess is most Progs believe that only government (police) can come and stop a crime. As they can be taught to make (bad) judgement calls that let criminals survive an event they would not if a private individual decided to use their G-D given rights to stop a crime with deadly force. This also lets the local government to decide where to send police action (white gated communities) and where to let crime run rampant (the government projects). Imagine if Trump dropped cheap 45s and 9s in the mail to everyone in Chicago getting a WIC check. In Illinois that would be a 1.4 million new gun owners that could protect themselves.
My guess is most Progs believe that only government (police) can come and stop a crime. As they can be taught to make (bad) judgement calls that let criminals survive an event they would not if a private individual decided to use their G-D given rights to stop a crime with deadly force. This also lets the local government to decide where to send police action (white gated communities) and where to let crime run rampant (the government projects). Imagine if Trump dropped cheap 45s and 9s in the mail to everyone in Chicago getting a WIC check. In Illinois that would be a 1.4 million new gun owners that could protect themselves.
Posted by: rhennigantx at November 19, 2017 02:51 PM (BtQd4)
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You Sir have good taste.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 19, 2017 02:48 PM (nUkMr)
Thanks and back at ya.
I have fairly broad tastes. ARs and AKs, Garands and carbines and many WW2-WW1 bolt actions. And various oddballs. Bit of a mix on the pistol side as well.
I thought the C93 would be a neat alternative to the usual suspects and a a good intro for the iconic AK "slap bolt". It's also interesting in that it has the same type action as a MG-42 which was neat. Part of the fun of owing guns is exploring the engineering and machining, IMO.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 19, 2017 02:48 PM (nUkMr)
Thanks and back at ya
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I have fairly broad tastes. ARs and AKs, Garands and carbines and many WW2-WW1 bolt actions. And various oddballs. Bit of a mix on the pistol side as well.
I thought the C93 would be a neat alternative to the usual suspects and a a good intro for the iconic AK "slap bolt". It's also interesting in that it has the same type action as a MG-42 which was neat. Part of the fun of owing guns is exploring the engineering and machining, IMO.
Posted by: Keith at November 19, 2017 02:54 PM (USf3s)
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To celebrate the return of the Gun Thread:
"Target Practice & Searching for Treasure with Diggin Britt"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXu9U3C9M8Q
God, I love America.
To celebrate the return of the Gun Thread:
"Target Practice & Searching for Treasure with Diggin Britt"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXu9U3C9M8Q
God, I love America.
Posted by: Arbalest - GNAMM Survivor at November 19, 2017 02:55 PM (FlRtG)
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Meant HK "slap bolt" of course.
Posted by: Keith at November 19, 2017 02:56 PM (USf3s)
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rhennigantx, I don't necessarily trust people with small children in the home to keep firearms away from small children.
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at November 19, 2017 02:56 PM (FQKBL)
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booknlass,
I have a smith and Wesson m and p shield 9mm. I really like that gun. I also have a sig sauer 380.
I have a smith and Wesson m and p shield 9mm. I really like that gun. I also have a sig sauer 380.
Posted by: CaliGirl at November 19, 2017 02:59 PM (Ri/rl)
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"Lewis and Clark never actually shot that airgun at anything alive, you know."
Actually, I don't and neither does anyone else unless you can find a log of every shot fired from the thing.
Regardless, it doesn't change the fact that the the leftists claim the Founding Fathers couldn't imagine repeating or rapid loading arms, (e.g., breech loaders like the Ferguson rifle), a claim which is sheer bollocks.
Actually, I don't and neither does anyone else unless you can find a log of every shot fired from the thing.
Regardless, it doesn't change the fact that the the leftists claim the Founding Fathers couldn't imagine repeating or rapid loading arms, (e.g., breech loaders like the Ferguson rifle), a claim which is sheer bollocks.
Posted by: Piers Rather, Ace Reporter at November 19, 2017 03:00 PM (BsuY/)
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The founding fathers couldn't imagine modern medicine either.
Get shot in the torso in the 1700s with a rifle or musket ball, or in 2017 with a 5.56? Which is likely more deadly?
Get shot in the torso in the 1700s with a rifle or musket ball, or in 2017 with a 5.56? Which is likely more deadly?
Posted by: Keith at November 19, 2017 03:03 PM (USf3s)
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Imagine if Trump dropped cheap 45s and 9s in the mail to everyone in
Chicago getting a WIC check. In Illinois that would be a 1.4 million
new gun owners that could protect themselves.
Posted by: rhennigantx at November 19, 2017 02:51 PM (BtQd4)
After that, we could give all the kids in the Chicago public schools iPads, which they would use for schoolwork.
Chicago getting a WIC check. In Illinois that would be a 1.4 million
new gun owners that could protect themselves.
Posted by: rhennigantx at November 19, 2017 02:51 PM (BtQd4)
After that, we could give all the kids in the Chicago public schools iPads, which they would use for schoolwork.
Posted by: Monty James at November 19, 2017 03:03 PM (gKOMX)
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Regardless, it doesn't change the fact that the the leftists claim the Founding Fathers couldn't imagine repeating or rapid loading arms, (e.g., breech loaders like the Ferguson rifle), a claim which is sheer bollocks.
The Redcoats used a tactic once they'd got their troops into place which amounted to the same thing. Front line shoots, second line aims, third line loads. Second line shoots, third line aims, first line reloads. Third line shoots . . .
It worked well enough to beat Louis XVI's Frogs most of the time.
The Redcoats used a tactic once they'd got their troops into place which amounted to the same thing. Front line shoots, second line aims, third line loads. Second line shoots, third line aims, first line reloads. Third line shoots . . .
It worked well enough to beat Louis XVI's Frogs most of the time.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 19, 2017 03:04 PM (4Olbg)
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LaVar Ball, the father of LiAngelo
Another Dem family member b.s. shit-disturbing to attack Trump after having done them a favour like the SF Support SGT Johnson's family.
Another Dem family member b.s. shit-disturbing to attack Trump after having done them a favour like the SF Support SGT Johnson's family.
Posted by: andycanuck at November 19, 2017 03:05 PM (mJ8mX)
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The squirrels in the backyard are taunting me to breakout the air rifle.
Posted by: X-ray at November 19, 2017 03:06 PM (VDQek)
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I have a smith and Wesson m and p shield 9mm. I really like that gun. I also have a sig sauer 380.
Posted by: CaliGirl
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*shakes in fear...not*
Posted by: CaliGirl
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*shakes in fear...not*
Posted by: The Ground Squirrel at November 19, 2017 03:07 PM (5OO3x)
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No assault smoothbore should be without a bayonet
Posted by: Skip at November 19, 2017 03:08 PM (aC6Sd)
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Why, that's just crazy talk. NY? NJ?
Posted by: Infidel at November 19, 2017 02:41 PM (4ZKcy)
NJ
And it's about to get much worse. No mail-order ammo and even stricter restrictions on "assault rifles."
Posted by: Infidel at November 19, 2017 02:41 PM (4ZKcy)
NJ
And it's about to get much worse. No mail-order ammo and even stricter restrictions on "assault rifles."
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 19, 2017 03:08 PM (wYseH)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 19, 2017 03:09 PM (4Olbg)
Posted by: X-ray at November 19, 2017 03:10 PM (VDQek)
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Remington has extend their handgun rebates until 11/27.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 19, 2017 03:10 PM (60v4h)
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zzzzZZZZzzzz
Posted by: J. Sessions Rockin' His Rocker at November 19, 2017 03:10 PM (r9UYA)
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Someday maybe next week would like to see a poll on soft point or hard point bullets, I'm in the hard point side, use full jackets in my ready mag.
Posted by: Skip at November 19, 2017 03:10 PM (aC6Sd)
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Anti-gunners can't actually do much, except got after ammunition in the ten or so Deep Blue States.
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 19, 2017 03:12 PM (pV/54)
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If my land acquisition plans work out, next year I'd like to possibly host a (free to a limited number of interested morons) introduction to precision long range rifle clinic in the Central Virginia area.
Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2017 03:12 PM (Sfs6o)
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And it's about to get much worse. No mail-order ammo and even stricter restrictions on "assault rifles."
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 19, 2017 03:08 PM (wYseH)
Sorry to hear that CBD. Sheesh.
And it's about to get much worse. No mail-order ammo and even stricter restrictions on "assault rifles."
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 19, 2017 03:08 PM (wYseH)
Sorry to hear that CBD. Sheesh.
Posted by: Infidel at November 19, 2017 03:12 PM (4ZKcy)
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Imagine if Trump dropped cheap 45s and 9s in the mail to everyone in
Chicago getting a WIC check.
TrumpDoz
Imagine if Trump dropped cheap 45s and 9s in the mail to everyone in
Chicago getting a WIC check.
TrumpDoz
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 19, 2017 03:13 PM (IqV8l)
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I'd love to have a Pickle Gun.
Posted by: soothsayerwing plover at November 19, 2017 12:27 PM (Gguds)
I'm sure it would be a dilly.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 19, 2017 01:32 PM (oPNmq)
Britain's Gherkin mercenaries used them.
They quickly soured on them.
Posted by: soothsayerwing plover at November 19, 2017 12:27 PM (Gguds)
I'm sure it would be a dilly.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 19, 2017 01:32 PM (oPNmq)
Britain's Gherkin mercenaries used them.
They quickly soured on them.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 19, 2017 03:14 PM (60v4h)
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#256 Bing search for something like "volley fire versus platoon fire", boulder terlit hobo, and you'll find arguments that make crossbow vs. longbow mild by comparison!
Posted by: andycanuck at November 19, 2017 03:14 PM (mJ8mX)
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 19, 2017 03:15 PM (tbOMB)
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Do we have to have a background check to write a letter to the editor, a comment on the internet, go to church, buy a computer printer, speak at a town meeting, petition the government? Any other constitutional right?
Do I need to be on an approved person list to be free from having to quarter troops in my home, not be searched without a warrant, get a lawyer to defend me in court and get a jury trial?
Not yet
Do we have to have a background check to write a letter to the editor, a comment on the internet, go to church, buy a computer printer, speak at a town meeting, petition the government? Any other constitutional right?
Do I need to be on an approved person list to be free from having to quarter troops in my home, not be searched without a warrant, get a lawyer to defend me in court and get a jury trial?
Not yet
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 19, 2017 03:15 PM (IqV8l)
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But firing square bullets can't be very accurate
Posted by: Skip at November 19, 2017 03:16 PM (aC6Sd)
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"The founding fathers couldn't imagine modern medicine either."
And refrigeration.
Posted by: X-ray
And TV! I mean, FDR pioneered TV Addresses back in the 30's!
And refrigeration.
Posted by: X-ray
And TV! I mean, FDR pioneered TV Addresses back in the 30's!
Posted by: Joe Biden, The Man from Delaware at November 19, 2017 03:16 PM (S6Pax)
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257 His little shit has a father AND brother who are millionaires and he STILL feels the need to be a thief
Posted by: MAxIE at November 19, 2017 03:16 PM (9TR2V)
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Why do you need your nuts? They're different than a vag. I think we should ban your nuts.
Posted by: Stephanie Ruhle at November 19, 2017 03:17 PM (Tyii7)
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All XM193 for home defense.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 19, 2017 03:15 PM (tbOMB)
I have all HP for home defense in my pistol that I tragically lost in a boating accident.
I really don't like the idea of over-penetration.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 19, 2017 03:15 PM (tbOMB)
I have all HP for home defense in my pistol that I tragically lost in a boating accident.
I really don't like the idea of over-penetration.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 19, 2017 03:17 PM (wYseH)
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#277 Black Privilege as star athletes they're above being hassled or paying a price for misdemeanors.
Posted by: andycanuck at November 19, 2017 03:18 PM (mJ8mX)
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Just bought 3 places in AZ.
Open AND concealed carry walking down Main Street without a permit.
*Just like America!!!*
Open AND concealed carry walking down Main Street without a permit.
*Just like America!!!*
Posted by: MAxIE at November 19, 2017 03:18 PM (9TR2V)
Posted by: Sandra Flook at November 19, 2017 03:18 PM (2cuLk)
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slickguns has the TC bolties for $189 after rebate
Posted by: MAxIE at November 19, 2017 03:19 PM (9TR2V)
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""The founding fathers couldn't imagine modern medicine either."
And refrigeration."
Don't sell them short in the imagination department, there were New England Ice Houses since 1806 that even shipped ice to the South and Caribbean.
And refrigeration."
Don't sell them short in the imagination department, there were New England Ice Houses since 1806 that even shipped ice to the South and Caribbean.
Posted by: Piers Rather, Ace Reporter at November 19, 2017 03:20 PM (BsuY/)
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Someday maybe next week would like to see a poll on soft point or hard point bullets, I'm in the hard point side, use full jackets in my ready mag.
Posted by: Skip
FWIW, some states do not allow fmj for deer hunting...
Posted by: Skip
FWIW, some states do not allow fmj for deer hunting...
Posted by: mr brown at November 19, 2017 03:21 PM (3tkRx)
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Wow, there are a lot of Low-T millennials in the commercials today.
Posted by: Stephanie Ruhle at November 19, 2017 03:21 PM (Tyii7)
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If you're looking for a musical break try this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y8Q2PATVyI
Wilson Pickett's Hey Jude backed by the Muscle Shoals Swampers with some unknown guy doing the guitar outro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y8Q2PATVyI
Wilson Pickett's Hey Jude backed by the Muscle Shoals Swampers with some unknown guy doing the guitar outro
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 19, 2017 03:21 PM (pV/54)
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I've seen 3 manbuns so far and counting.
Posted by: Stephanie Ruhle at November 19, 2017 03:22 PM (Tyii7)
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Our government has been held in check re trying to restrict the second amendment, because people pay attention to that. Why couldn't they also have been paying attention to things like immigration, entitlements, etc.? It's obvious that people were dissatisfied with those as they were with gun control given the 2016 election, so I don't get why other political problems were allowed to fester as much as they did.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 19, 2017 03:22 PM (/qEW2)
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I've seen 3 manbuns so far and counting.
Posted by: Stephanie Ruhle at November 19, 2017 03:22 PM (Tyii7)
When was the last time you saw a normal looking American man in a commercial?
Posted by: Stephanie Ruhle at November 19, 2017 03:22 PM (Tyii7)
When was the last time you saw a normal looking American man in a commercial?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 19, 2017 03:23 PM (wYseH)
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OT: Trump is not much of a turn-the-other-cheek-er:
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Now that the three basketball players are out of China and saved from years in jail, LaVar Ball, the father of LiAngelo, is unaccepting of what I did for his son and that shoplifting is no big deal. I should have left them in jail!
10:42 AM - Nov 19, 2017
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at November 19, 2017 02:26 PM (Nwg0u)
The MFM is having the vapors over this. Fark them all especially LaVar
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Now that the three basketball players are out of China and saved from years in jail, LaVar Ball, the father of LiAngelo, is unaccepting of what I did for his son and that shoplifting is no big deal. I should have left them in jail!
10:42 AM - Nov 19, 2017
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at November 19, 2017 02:26 PM (Nwg0u)
The MFM is having the vapors over this. Fark them all especially LaVar
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 19, 2017 03:24 PM (SiINZ)
Posted by: Stephanie Ruhle at November 19, 2017 03:24 PM (Tyii7)
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Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 19, 2017 03:22 PM (/qEW2)
Because we pay for their armed protection. They have no incentive to protect us rubes.
Because we pay for their armed protection. They have no incentive to protect us rubes.
Posted by: Infidel at November 19, 2017 03:25 PM (4ZKcy)
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Anybody ever see the photo of Dr Ruth, and her sniper rifle?
I swear it's a Mosin Nagant.
Just can't find the photo right now.
I swear it's a Mosin Nagant.
Just can't find the photo right now.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 19, 2017 03:25 PM (EyPfd)
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208
Insomn, I tried to leave Illinois, but I almost died of depression, missing home and family.
not everybody here's down with the idiotic socialism of Chicago or the corruption in Springfield.
(but there are too many progressives all around for my taste.)
Insomn, I tried to leave Illinois, but I almost died of depression, missing home and family.
not everybody here's down with the idiotic socialism of Chicago or the corruption in Springfield.
(but there are too many progressives all around for my taste.)
Posted by: booknlass at November 19, 2017 03:26 PM (9mZIr)
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I cast some bullets made of plumbing solder,they are virtually non lead, lighter than lead by 1/4 oz and harder. Out of a smoothbore they were no different that I could tell but suspect the muzzle velocity was higher.
Posted by: Skip at November 19, 2017 03:27 PM (aC6Sd)
Posted by: Infidel at November 19, 2017 03:28 PM (4ZKcy)
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Wouldn't doubt Dr Ruth carries a Walker Colt as a side arm
Posted by: Skip at November 19, 2017 03:29 PM (aC6Sd)
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>>> 268 If my land acquisition plans work out, next year I'd like to possibly host a (free to a limited number of interested morons) introduction to precision long range rifle clinic in the Central Virginia area.
Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2017 03:12 PM (Sfs6o)
Whaaaat?!
*bounces excitedly*
Say when!!! ... and personally I would be happy to pay / help offset expenses / provide bacon / well, something or other to help out.
Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2017 03:12 PM (Sfs6o)
Whaaaat?!
*bounces excitedly*
Say when!!! ... and personally I would be happy to pay / help offset expenses / provide bacon / well, something or other to help out.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 19, 2017 03:29 PM (VyLpy)
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I cast some bullets made of plumbing solder
Posted by: Skip at November 19, 2017 03:27 PM (aC6Sd)
This should be in the Moron Handbook. God, I love you guys.
Posted by: Skip at November 19, 2017 03:27 PM (aC6Sd)
This should be in the Moron Handbook. God, I love you guys.
Posted by: Peaches at November 19, 2017 03:30 PM (14URa)
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Peaches, booknlass is in the market. Someone suggested something similar to "fluffy".
Posted by: Infidel at November 19, 2017 03:33 PM (4ZKcy)
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I think I got that in the correct order. Rough night last night.
Posted by: Infidel at November 19, 2017 03:34 PM (4ZKcy)
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If the EPA under President Hillary outlawed lead as Barak wanted to one needed a backup plan
Posted by: Skip at November 19, 2017 03:35 PM (aC6Sd)
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299 >>> 268 If my land acquisition plans work out, next year I'd like to possibly host a (free to a limited number of interested morons) introduction to precision long range rifle clinic in the Central Virginia area.
Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2017 03:12 PM (Sfs6o)
Whaaaat?!
*bounces excitedly*
Say when!!! ... and personally I would be happy to pay / help offset expenses / provide bacon / well, something or other to help out.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 19, 2017 03:29 PM (VyLpy)
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I'm thinking about maybe a day and a half for 4 or 5 shooters at a time. Half day in the classroom and a full day on the range.
Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2017 03:12 PM (Sfs6o)
Whaaaat?!
*bounces excitedly*
Say when!!! ... and personally I would be happy to pay / help offset expenses / provide bacon / well, something or other to help out.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 19, 2017 03:29 PM (VyLpy)
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I'm thinking about maybe a day and a half for 4 or 5 shooters at a time. Half day in the classroom and a full day on the range.
Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2017 03:35 PM (Sfs6o)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 19, 2017 03:37 PM (EyPfd)
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I've seen 3 manbuns so far and counting.
Posted by: Stephanie Ruhle at November 19, 2017 03:22 PM (Tyii7)
Where? Is it a place we can nuke from orbit?
Posted by: Stephanie Ruhle at November 19, 2017 03:22 PM (Tyii7)
Where? Is it a place we can nuke from orbit?
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at November 19, 2017 03:37 PM (aMlLZ)
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I remember collecting lead curtain weights back in the 70s for reloading. The only die I had was for 30cal. But it was fun to sit at the fireplace with a propane torch, melt lead and cast bullets.
Posted by: X-ray at November 19, 2017 03:37 PM (VDQek)
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Peaches, booknlass is in the market. Someone suggested something similar to "fluffy".
Posted by: Infidel at November 19, 2017 03:33 PM (4ZKcy)
I dunno, I'm pretty ignorant about this stuff. In fact, I kinda wish I'd gone for a 9mm instead of the wheel gun. Good friend just got a Glock 17, gen 4, although I don't think that fapper has actually shot it yet. But it looks great, gonna check it out. The only advice I can give booknlass is to get something that feels good in your hand. Being chicks, we need a smaller grip to be comfortable.
Posted by: Infidel at November 19, 2017 03:33 PM (4ZKcy)
I dunno, I'm pretty ignorant about this stuff. In fact, I kinda wish I'd gone for a 9mm instead of the wheel gun. Good friend just got a Glock 17, gen 4, although I don't think that fapper has actually shot it yet. But it looks great, gonna check it out. The only advice I can give booknlass is to get something that feels good in your hand. Being chicks, we need a smaller grip to be comfortable.
Posted by: Peaches at November 19, 2017 03:38 PM (14URa)
Posted by: Sharkman at November 19, 2017 03:38 PM (bz8LN)
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Am I living in an alternative dimension when no one, but no one suggested lever actions to supplement the long gun arsenal of someone who already owns a 30-06?
I love lever guns (have one in 30-30, the Marlin XLR variant of its 336) and a sweet, old (JM stamped) 357 lever.
Such iconic guns, and fun, and practical as well.
The 357 lever is, as well as a capable close range hunter, an excellent olde schoole tactical weapon (high capacity, very handy and easy to get on target offhand). Also very fun at the range. I'm still working out some front sight issues on my 30-30 to get it properly zeroed with a peep. Also, you can't help but feel like John Wayne when you snap out a few with the lever gun.
I love lever guns (have one in 30-30, the Marlin XLR variant of its 336) and a sweet, old (JM stamped) 357 lever.
Such iconic guns, and fun, and practical as well.
The 357 lever is, as well as a capable close range hunter, an excellent olde schoole tactical weapon (high capacity, very handy and easy to get on target offhand). Also very fun at the range. I'm still working out some front sight issues on my 30-30 to get it properly zeroed with a peep. Also, you can't help but feel like John Wayne when you snap out a few with the lever gun.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at November 19, 2017 03:39 PM (W/SyC)
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Insomn, I tried to leave Illinois, but I almost died of depression, missing home and family.
not everybody here's down with the idiotic socialism of Chicago or the corruption in Springfield.
(but there are too many progressives all around for my taste.)
Posted by: booknlass at November 19, 2017 03:26 PM (9mZIr)
Illinois is drowning because of the leftists, FSA and unions.
Illinois Republicans in Springfield take Vichy Republican to a whole other level
not everybody here's down with the idiotic socialism of Chicago or the corruption in Springfield.
(but there are too many progressives all around for my taste.)
Posted by: booknlass at November 19, 2017 03:26 PM (9mZIr)
Illinois is drowning because of the leftists, FSA and unions.
Illinois Republicans in Springfield take Vichy Republican to a whole other level
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 19, 2017 03:40 PM (SiINZ)
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Nothing wrong with a revolver, it's more reliable and earlier to clean to me
Posted by: Skip at November 19, 2017 03:40 PM (aC6Sd)
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I mentioned that. The guys recommended she try some out first. Tragically, the .38 special that fit my had perfectly, was lost in a boating accident.
Posted by: Infidel at November 19, 2017 03:40 PM (4ZKcy)
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DJT fights back. That is his nature.
An earlier me might have parsed his words to think if I could have said something better, but now... screw LaVar Ball.
LaVar's very name is sissy and ridiculous. Small wonder he knows nothing about parenting since his parents were stupid too.
An earlier me might have parsed his words to think if I could have said something better, but now... screw LaVar Ball.
LaVar's very name is sissy and ridiculous. Small wonder he knows nothing about parenting since his parents were stupid too.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 19, 2017 03:41 PM (4Olbg)
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I disagree with the revolver/pistol binary choice premise. Get both!
Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2017 03:41 PM (Sfs6o)
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I really don't like the idea of over-penetration.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
That's what SHE said!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
That's what SHE said!
Posted by: Michael Scott! at November 19, 2017 03:43 PM (S6Pax)
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Okay, booknlass, go to your local firearms dealer and try out a Ruger SP 101. It's a .357 that shoots .38s. Fits pretty nice in the hand. Pull is a little stiff. But I'm confident that it would do the job I bought it for and hope to never need.
Posted by: Peaches at November 19, 2017 03:44 PM (14URa)
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I disagree with the revolver/pistol binary choice premise. Get both!
Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2017 03:41 PM (Sfs6o)
Good I don't know which I would have gotten rid of.
Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2017 03:41 PM (Sfs6o)
Good I don't know which I would have gotten rid of.
Posted by: X-ray at November 19, 2017 03:44 PM (VDQek)
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I doubt that picture is Dr. Ruth. She was a sniper in the Haganah. That uniform looks Russian. More likely she would have had an Enfield or Mauser.
I could be wrong, but I don't think so.
I could be wrong, but I don't think so.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at November 19, 2017 03:44 PM (1ouh3)
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It's handy to have both
Posted by: Skip at November 19, 2017 03:45 PM (aC6Sd)
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Lever guns...
Until that unfortunate canoeing thing I had my father's Winchester 94 in .30/30. The serial number indicates it was made in 1949, Dad would have been 18, Mom speculates that it was a high school graduation present from his well-to-do uncle.
It's part of what I loved about firearms before my love for firearms went canoeing that horrific day.
It's wood and metal from almost 70 years ago, on a design from 120+ years ago, which would, were I a better canoeist, work perfectly as designed today.
Until that unfortunate canoeing thing I had my father's Winchester 94 in .30/30. The serial number indicates it was made in 1949, Dad would have been 18, Mom speculates that it was a high school graduation present from his well-to-do uncle.
It's part of what I loved about firearms before my love for firearms went canoeing that horrific day.
It's wood and metal from almost 70 years ago, on a design from 120+ years ago, which would, were I a better canoeist, work perfectly as designed today.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 19, 2017 03:46 PM (gIRsn)
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I remember collecting lead curtain weights back in the 70s for reloading. The only die I had was for 30cal. But it was fun to sit at the fireplace with a propane torch, melt lead and cast bullets.
Posted by: X-ray
I've melted scrap lead for doing rust repairs on a car. Be careful. It is very easy to get sick from inhaling lead fumes from molten lead. Only do that in some place that is well ventilated.
I am not kidding. You can get very sick from inhaling lead fumes from molten lead.
Posted by: X-ray
I've melted scrap lead for doing rust repairs on a car. Be careful. It is very easy to get sick from inhaling lead fumes from molten lead. Only do that in some place that is well ventilated.
I am not kidding. You can get very sick from inhaling lead fumes from molten lead.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....outlaw in America at November 19, 2017 03:47 PM (S6Pax)
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Thanks Peaches! I will. and thanks everybody for the help.
Posted by: booknlass at November 19, 2017 03:48 PM (9mZIr)
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I think I've pitched this before here but IMHO, the Smith n Wesson 686 may be one of the best firearms ever produced.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 19, 2017 03:49 PM (Tyii7)
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My carry gun when I visit daughter and family in the northside of Chicago is a S&W model 36 loaded with +P frangible loads. No ejected casings to pick up, no possible ballistic info to identify. 3 to the chest and 1 to the head, walk away calmly, go back to her home and wash hands thoroughly after cleaning gun. If it happens at my house in the country, I have a neighbor with a small swine herd who does not turn down free feed should that be necessary.
Posted by: colfax mingo at November 19, 2017 03:49 PM (0n18S)
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booknlass, here's a little rundown on the SP101. I also saw one that called it the "perfect first gun." You're still gonna want to spend some range time and get comfortable with it, as with anything you acquire.
http://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/ruger-sp-101-rugers-kit-gun-wallop/
http://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/ruger-sp-101-rugers-kit-gun-wallop/
Posted by: Peaches at November 19, 2017 03:50 PM (14URa)
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Ignoramus, I trust you were being facetious re "some unknown guy" on guitar. That outro put Duane Allman on the radar of some big machers in the music business (Jerry Wexler et al) and also brought him to Clapton's attention, which led to Allman playing on the "Layla" album.
But I'll bet you knew all that.
But I'll bet you knew all that.
Posted by: Cowboyneal - the other Jewish carpenter at November 19, 2017 03:50 PM (k2KmM)
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@321
May your canoeing ponds remain deep and your Dad's zombie Winchester, in body and/or spirit, continue to be passed on to your sons and daughters.
May your canoeing ponds remain deep and your Dad's zombie Winchester, in body and/or spirit, continue to be passed on to your sons and daughters.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at November 19, 2017 03:51 PM (W/SyC)
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My lever action that was lost in the canoe tipping indecent was a .308 Sako Finnwolf.
Posted by: X-ray at November 19, 2017 03:53 PM (VDQek)
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@325
I sue you cocksucker for infringement of trade!
I sue you cocksucker for infringement of trade!
Posted by: Mr Wu at November 19, 2017 03:53 PM (W/SyC)
Posted by: colfax mingo at November 19, 2017 03:55 PM (0n18S)
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It was always in demand but now there are dozens of 9mm carbine brands out there that accept Glock mags.
Now I just have to decide which one I am going to get .
Now I just have to decide which one I am going to get .
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 19, 2017 03:55 PM (2DOZq)
333
think I've pitched this before here but IMHO, the Smith n Wesson 686 may be one of the best firearms ever produced.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 19, 2017 03:49 PM (Tyii7)
Is that the .45 revolver?
Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 19, 2017 03:49 PM (Tyii7)
Is that the .45 revolver?
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 19, 2017 03:57 PM (2DOZq)
334
Why do you need freedom? That's different than being a commie.
Posted by: Stephanie Ruhle at November 19, 2017 03:59 PM (Tyii7)
335
Is that the .45 revolver?
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 19, 2017 03:57 PM (2DOZq)
.38/.357
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 19, 2017 03:57 PM (2DOZq)
.38/.357
Posted by: hogmartin at November 19, 2017 03:59 PM (y87Qq)
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nood
Posted by: Infidel at November 19, 2017 04:00 PM (4ZKcy)
Posted by: Johnny at November 19, 2017 04:00 PM (kUotE)
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"Pointing to them is a poor counter to a stupid argument."
No, the argument is not whether they were practical (though Lewis and Clark and the Austrian Army might argue the point), but whether the Founding Fathers could have imagined them.
Posted by: Piers Rather, Ace Reporter at November 19, 2017 02:42 PM (BsuY/)
And there is the patent office for those things they could not imagine, because if they could imagine them they would have them already.
Patents were not unheard of in those days, even without the then rapidly evolving technology. So, yes, the founders knew ways to protect even things they could not imagine.
No, the argument is not whether they were practical (though Lewis and Clark and the Austrian Army might argue the point), but whether the Founding Fathers could have imagined them.
Posted by: Piers Rather, Ace Reporter at November 19, 2017 02:42 PM (BsuY/)
And there is the patent office for those things they could not imagine, because if they could imagine them they would have them already.
Patents were not unheard of in those days, even without the then rapidly evolving technology. So, yes, the founders knew ways to protect even things they could not imagine.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 19, 2017 04:00 PM (IWbvi)
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331 Mr Wu,
Huh?
Posted by: colfax mingo at November 19, 2017 03:55 PM (0n18S)
Gotta be a reference to the tv show Deadwood. One of the characters repeatedly disposed of problems by feeding them to Mr. Wu's pigs.
Huh?
Posted by: colfax mingo at November 19, 2017 03:55 PM (0n18S)
Gotta be a reference to the tv show Deadwood. One of the characters repeatedly disposed of problems by feeding them to Mr. Wu's pigs.
Posted by: The 'splainin guy at November 19, 2017 04:01 PM (tMFgx)
Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 19, 2017 04:01 PM (Tyii7)
341
I have decided to get the Beretta APX in 9mm, Beretta is offering three extra mags and a holster to sweeten the deal.
Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at November 19, 2017 04:02 PM (0OmEj)
342
Aquila Mini-shells
I just got some from Selway Armory, but they were'nt cheap - a buck a round.
They have slugs for around 70 cents
I just got some from Selway Armory, but they were'nt cheap - a buck a round.
They have slugs for around 70 cents
Posted by: Last at November 19, 2017 04:16 PM (8HiDF)
343
'Aquila Mini-shells
I just got some from Selway Armory, but they were'nt cheap - a buck a round.'
Thank Yew!!
*Toddles off to the inner webs*
I just got some from Selway Armory, but they were'nt cheap - a buck a round.'
Thank Yew!!
*Toddles off to the inner webs*
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 19, 2017 04:20 PM (EyPfd)
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228,
"I am in a state that makes possession of hollow point or soft point rounds pretty much worse than Hitler."
Then if over penetration is an issue either Federal Guard-Dog or Corbon silver or blue. If wall penetration is not an issue then Underwood/Lehigh Extreme Defender or Fort Scott's Fort Defense both of which are solid copper but designed to interact with flesh to dump their energy rapidly and not over penetrate a person but they will zip through walls, car doors and clothes etc.
I use the Underwood +P Extreme Defender for .38 special. I'm a long ways from any neighbors and don't have to worry about people in other rooms at night. Underwood's 147 grain gold dots +P+ in 9mm winter and the 124 grain +P for summer. I haven't had enough time to test the solid copper ones in my 9mms to trust them to feed well yet. Worked so far but I know the gold dots will work 100%.
"I am in a state that makes possession of hollow point or soft point rounds pretty much worse than Hitler."
Then if over penetration is an issue either Federal Guard-Dog or Corbon silver or blue. If wall penetration is not an issue then Underwood/Lehigh Extreme Defender or Fort Scott's Fort Defense both of which are solid copper but designed to interact with flesh to dump their energy rapidly and not over penetrate a person but they will zip through walls, car doors and clothes etc.
I use the Underwood +P Extreme Defender for .38 special. I'm a long ways from any neighbors and don't have to worry about people in other rooms at night. Underwood's 147 grain gold dots +P+ in 9mm winter and the 124 grain +P for summer. I haven't had enough time to test the solid copper ones in my 9mms to trust them to feed well yet. Worked so far but I know the gold dots will work 100%.
Posted by: geoffb at November 19, 2017 04:21 PM (zOpu5)
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After nearly getting sideswiped by a Humvee, I looked up specs on interstate lanes. Turns out the dimensions for the Dwight D. Eisenhower National System of Interstate and Defense Highways were made with the Atomic Cannon in mind. 16.5 feet minimum height for all non-urban overpasses.
Posted by: Downcast at November 19, 2017 04:29 PM (kc/+W)
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Weasel,
As long as you have room to park my trashy old motor home.
To the person looking for a feral hog shooting experience check out Ox Ranch in Uvalde, TX, just west of San Antonio. Spendy but looks awesome. Check out the tank and .50 cal experience....
https://www.oxhuntingranch.com
As long as you have room to park my trashy old motor home.
To the person looking for a feral hog shooting experience check out Ox Ranch in Uvalde, TX, just west of San Antonio. Spendy but looks awesome. Check out the tank and .50 cal experience....
https://www.oxhuntingranch.com
Posted by: lin-duh at November 19, 2017 04:31 PM (kufk0)
347
Weasel, the coumidin is a blood thinner and can leave you prone to bruising which can cause other problems. Haven't decided if I will use it or not but if I do, a recoil pad would be smart. It might also add to the LOP which would help. Even full sized battle rifles feel short.
Posted by: JTB at November 19, 2017 04:33 PM (V+03K)
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Posted by: JTB at November 19, 2017 04:33 PM (V+03K)
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Yep. I take Eliquis and it hasn't been a problem so maybe that's an option for you.
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Yep. I take Eliquis and it hasn't been a problem so maybe that's an option for you.
Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2017 05:00 PM (Sfs6o)
349
AP: Official says Zimbabwe President Robert Mugabe - who had vowed to rule until death - to resign after 37 years in power.
That's a shame, but there's still time for him to keep his promise.
That's a shame, but there's still time for him to keep his promise.
Posted by: t-bird at November 19, 2017 05:00 PM (Sv2/X)
350
The story involving a malfunction and misfire is too long to get into but the punch line is "my son harvested a very nice 10 point with my Kimber .45 1911 Raptor this week" dropped him in a single shot!
Posted by: 2nd Amendment Mother at November 19, 2017 05:13 PM (USAOW)
351
Late to the party but glad we has gun thread.
I spent yesterday at the range practicing 50 foot shots. I shot my S&W model 10 and was pleasantly surprised. I shot my G36, which is much smaller and was shocked at how small my groups were with it.
My G21 did fine but I could really feel the difference in trigger pull compared to the G36 (which I bought used, the previous owner did a trigger job). The sights were off a bit, but I'm getting a 3.5 pound connector put in and the sights readjusted in a couple hours.
Oh and Magtech ammo is dirty, messy stuff. Avoid it, morons. Sellier and Bellot is much better.
I spent yesterday at the range practicing 50 foot shots. I shot my S&W model 10 and was pleasantly surprised. I shot my G36, which is much smaller and was shocked at how small my groups were with it.
My G21 did fine but I could really feel the difference in trigger pull compared to the G36 (which I bought used, the previous owner did a trigger job). The sights were off a bit, but I'm getting a 3.5 pound connector put in and the sights readjusted in a couple hours.
Oh and Magtech ammo is dirty, messy stuff. Avoid it, morons. Sellier and Bellot is much better.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 19, 2017 05:58 PM (xJa6I)
352
Here in WI the White-Tail Deer Gun season is next weekend
Say WHAT? Makes most of my in-laws into criminals yesterday already!!
Say WHAT? Makes most of my in-laws into criminals yesterday already!!
Posted by: dad29 at November 19, 2017 05:59 PM (7Kti7)
353
341 I have decided to get the Beretta APX in 9mm, Beretta is offering three extra mags and a holster to sweeten the deal.
Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at November 19, 2017 04:02 PM (0OmEj)
You should be happy with it. Most review are positive enough. But take a look at the MAC review on the youtube, just in case you take it into rough environments.
Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at November 19, 2017 04:02 PM (0OmEj)
You should be happy with it. Most review are positive enough. But take a look at the MAC review on the youtube, just in case you take it into rough environments.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 19, 2017 06:01 PM (xJa6I)
354
326 booknlass, here's a little rundown on the SP101. I also saw one that called it the "perfect first gun." You're still gonna want to spend some range time and get comfortable with it, as with anything you acquire.
http://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/ruger-sp-101-rugers-kit-gun-wallop/
Posted by: Peaches at November 19, 2017 03:50 PM (14URa)
Load .38's in that to start with. I've fired that gun a lot and light weight, lack of a slide and .357 magnum rounds equal a lot of discomfort. My wife won't even touch it after just one range visit with it.
http://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/ruger-sp-101-rugers-kit-gun-wallop/
Posted by: Peaches at November 19, 2017 03:50 PM (14URa)
Load .38's in that to start with. I've fired that gun a lot and light weight, lack of a slide and .357 magnum rounds equal a lot of discomfort. My wife won't even touch it after just one range visit with it.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 19, 2017 06:05 PM (xJa6I)
355
A canon attached to a riding mower
Episcopalian or Catholic canon?
The one I'd attach would be a cannon.
Episcopalian or Catholic canon?
The one I'd attach would be a cannon.
Posted by: dad29 at November 19, 2017 06:05 PM (7Kti7)
356
But firing square bullets can't be very accurate
Posted by: Skip at November 19, 2017 03:16 PM (aC6Sd)
Perhaps from a square barrel with a twist in it, to make the bullet spin?
Posted by: Skip at November 19, 2017 03:16 PM (aC6Sd)
Perhaps from a square barrel with a twist in it, to make the bullet spin?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 19, 2017 06:12 PM (oPNmq)
357
I'm sure it would be a dilly.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
It would be sweet.
Posted by Rick
I'd relish that.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
It would be sweet.
Posted by Rick
I'd relish that.
Posted by: dad29 at November 19, 2017 06:16 PM (7Kti7)
358
Saw a review of the SandW* 986 9mm 7-sh0t with the 2.5-inch barrel, and it looks sweet. It appears that there are lots more makers of moon-clips than there used to be. Any of you who sh00t autoloader rounds in revolvers have experience with the various makes of moon clips?
*Not even going to try an ampersand.
*Not even going to try an ampersand.
Posted by: The Inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at November 19, 2017 06:28 PM (9asJl)
359
FYI, regarding Thompson / Center bolt action rifles, there was a recall due to safety failure.
The article I read (can't find the link) said the fix was to increase the strength of the trigger springs, thereby defeating the adjustable trigger pull feature and the MOA accuracy of the original trigger settings.
Might explain the generous rebates.
FYI, regarding Thompson / Center bolt action rifles, there was a recall due to safety failure.
The article I read (can't find the link) said the fix was to increase the strength of the trigger springs, thereby defeating the adjustable trigger pull feature and the MOA accuracy of the original trigger settings.
Might explain the generous rebates.
Posted by: Frankly at November 19, 2017 07:51 PM (O9xXt)
360
" Imagine if Trump dropped cheap 45s and 9s in the mail to everyone in Chicago getting a WIC check. In Illinois that would be a 1.4 million new gun owners that could protect themselves.
Posted by: rhennigantx at November 19, 2017 02:51 PM (BtQd4)"
I like it !
Revive the Liberator pistol !
Seriously, this would be my great foreign policy initiative if I were Galactic Overlord.
Stealth bombers dropping canisters of Liberators by night, all over the world.
Posted by: rhennigantx at November 19, 2017 02:51 PM (BtQd4)"
I like it !
Revive the Liberator pistol !
Seriously, this would be my great foreign policy initiative if I were Galactic Overlord.
Stealth bombers dropping canisters of Liberators by night, all over the world.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/7 at November 19, 2017 07:54 PM (Ktb8D)
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It isn't that reporters aren't qualified to talk about guns. For the most part, reporters aren't qualified to talk about ANYTHING. Is there even a subject that you know about where reporters don't get several of the pertinent details wrong, sometimes to the point of being exactly wrong?
Pretty much the only reporter that can be moderately counted on to actually know his business is the weather forecaster.
Pretty much the only reporter that can be moderately counted on to actually know his business is the weather forecaster.
Posted by: DaveM at November 19, 2017 09:18 PM (FNtbC)
362
Just an old timey reliable Glock 19 is enough for me. 15 in the mag, one in the chamber, and a spare mag in the other pocket makes 31.
Posted by: Looking out the churchdoor window. at November 19, 2017 09:26 PM (fSf/G)
363
Pretty much the only reporter that can be moderately counted on to actually know his business is the weather forecaster.
Posted by: DaveM
Climate Change! Glowball Warming!!#!
Posted by: DaveM
Climate Change! Glowball Warming!!#!
Posted by: Weather Channel at November 19, 2017 09:29 PM (3tkRx)
364
Load .38's in that to start with. I've fired that gun a lot and light weight, lack of a slide and .357 magnum rounds equal a lot of discomfort. My wife won't even touch it after just one range visit with it.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
I carry this weapon for the pure ferocious blast of 5 hot rounds of 158 gr .357 hollowpoint, to take down a 6ft 4in 300lb drugged out monster. This is a true hand cannon.
A woman-hand sized pink singlestack wonder 9 doesn't fill the bill.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
I carry this weapon for the pure ferocious blast of 5 hot rounds of 158 gr .357 hollowpoint, to take down a 6ft 4in 300lb drugged out monster. This is a true hand cannon.
A woman-hand sized pink singlestack wonder 9 doesn't fill the bill.
Posted by: realistically speaking, why do you carry? at November 19, 2017 09:45 PM (3tkRx)
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364 Load .38's in that to start with. I've fired that gun a lot and light weight, lack of a slide and .357 magnum rounds equal a lot of discomfort. My wife won't even touch it after just one range visit with it.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
I carry this weapon for the pure ferocious blast of 5 hot rounds of 158 gr .357 hollowpoint, to take down a 6ft 4in 300lb drugged out monster. This is a true hand cannon.
A woman-hand sized pink singlestack wonder 9 doesn't fill the bill.
Posted by: realistically speaking, why do you carry? at November 19, 2017 09:45 PM (3tkRx)
Well the wife prefers the XD45. If you can fire it accurately and train with it, cool.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
I carry this weapon for the pure ferocious blast of 5 hot rounds of 158 gr .357 hollowpoint, to take down a 6ft 4in 300lb drugged out monster. This is a true hand cannon.
A woman-hand sized pink singlestack wonder 9 doesn't fill the bill.
Posted by: realistically speaking, why do you carry? at November 19, 2017 09:45 PM (3tkRx)
Well the wife prefers the XD45. If you can fire it accurately and train with it, cool.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 19, 2017 10:39 PM (xJa6I)
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I just took an 8-point buck in Wisconsin using an "AR-10" -DPMS LR308 AP4.
It works fine. I wouldn't shoot it beyond 200 yards though. I would need a much better trigger than the crappy one that comes with the DPMS.
I also got a buck and a doe with it last year.
It works fine. I wouldn't shoot it beyond 200 yards though. I would need a much better trigger than the crappy one that comes with the DPMS.
I also got a buck and a doe with it last year.
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