Adam Kredo: Trump Will <i>Not</i> Declare the Iranian Republican Guards a Terror Organization; Obama Holdovers Said to be Blocking Any Move to So Declare Them

Adam Kredo: Trump Will Not Declare the Iranian Republican Guards a Terror Organization; Obama Holdovers Said to be Blocking Any Move to So Declare Them

Good piece by Kredo. I personally would put more blame on Trump, though: Yes, the Obama holdovers might be resisting him, but I didn't know when we elected this tough-guy we were really getting a pussy who let his subordinates walk all over him.

The Trump administration will not commit to designating the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, or IRGC, Iran's elite fighting force, as terrorists, despite a congressional mandate to do so by the end of the month, according to multiple U.S. officials and other administration insiders who told the Washington Free Beacon that holdovers from the Obama administration are working to stymie the effort.
While President Donald Trump is expected to announce this week that he will not certify Iran as in compliance with the landmark nuclear deal, it remains unclear if he will follow through with congressionally approved plans to extend a terror designation to the IRGC, a move that has prompted Iran to threaten greater attacks on U.S. forces in the Middle East.
The IRGC is responsible for numerous terror attacks on American troops over the years and has played a key role in interfering with U.S. operations in Syria. A bipartisan consensus in Congress has already backed such a designation, but key Obama-era holdovers and top national security officials who have the president's ear are urging him to refrain, according to multiple sources who spoke to the Free Beacon.

Yes, they're giving him bad Obama Holdover advice. But he's accepting that bad Obama Holdover advice.

Posted by: Ace at 07:24 PM

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1 I think the key word outed "commit." Maybe they mean, we ain't saying yet

Posted by: RoyalOil at October 11, 2017 07:20 PM (sUh6s)

2 Good. I'd hate to think that a terror organization was getting access to those big pallets of American cash.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 11, 2017 07:22 PM (Mouru)

3 Apparently, he forgot how to say "You're FIRED!"

Posted by: Hrothgar at October 11, 2017 07:22 PM (gwPgz)

4 Can we fire these asshats already?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 11, 2017 07:22 PM (rb1zT)

5 This phenomenon is as old as time. Don't blame the King (or Emperor), blame his unworthy court ministers. If only we had new courtiers, all would be well in the realm!

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at October 11, 2017 07:23 PM (Y03Un)

6 , it remains unclear if he will follow through with congressionally approved plans to extend a terror designation to the IRGC

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If it's unclear, doesn't that mean we don't know what he will do?

Posted by: MAGA at October 11, 2017 07:23 PM (LnOh3)

7 Wow. Nats.

Posted by: mnw at October 11, 2017 07:23 PM (hLB6Q)

8 The Trump administration will not commit to designating the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, or IRGC, Iran's elite fighting force, as terrorists,

===

they are freedom fighters !

Posted by: runner at October 11, 2017 07:23 PM (QC/4S)

9 If it's unclear, doesn't that mean we don't know what he will do?

Posted by: MAGA at October 11, 2017 07:23 PM (LnOh3)

Don't stand in the landing area when we're jumping to conclusions!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 11, 2017 07:24 PM (Mouru)

10 Just curious, but is there a distinction between uniformed enemy and terrorists-as-irregulars?

I don't recall the Spetsnaz being called terrorists, although they were clearly the bad guys. Ditto for the marching Nork hordes.

And yes, die Iranian goons die.

Posted by: Curmudgeon - 2017 GNAMM survivor at October 11, 2017 07:24 PM (ujg0T)

11 All of islam is a terror organization.

Posted by: Chris M at October 11, 2017 07:25 PM (6RZos)

12 The last sentence of your post says it all, Ace.
He does not get a pass on this mistake, an unforced, Gop- e type of action.

Posted by: kraken at October 11, 2017 07:25 PM (zSVEm)

13 Death to the Obama comb-overs!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 11, 2017 07:25 PM (Mouru)

14 The straight hardline approach. If it leads to war so be it.

Posted by: Krakenboner at October 11, 2017 07:25 PM (TxM1F)

15 Trump was also not going to pull us out of the Paris Climate Accords.

Posted by: MAGA at October 11, 2017 07:26 PM (LnOh3)

16 We'll see. I don't think the IRGC helped themselves any by threatening to attack us. Trump isn't the last asshat you dealt with.

Posted by: John Marston at October 11, 2017 07:26 PM (SkuXa)

17 Very OT, but for those morons that are inclined to pray for others, I would humbly ask that you say a prayer for the safety and safe return of my son Steve who has apparently gone missing in California (not in a fire zone). No one has seen him for about ten+ hours, and this is not like him at all!
Thanks
Hrothgar

Posted by: Hrothgar at October 11, 2017 07:27 PM (gwPgz)

18 of course designating them a terror org will prevent them from doing terrorist stuff, so it's all cool

Posted by: runner at October 11, 2017 07:27 PM (QC/4S)

19 10 Just curious, but is there a distinction between uniformed enemy and terrorists-as-irregulars?

I don't recall the Spetsnaz being called terrorists, although they were clearly the bad guys. Ditto for the marching Nork hordes.

And yes, die Iranian goons die.

Posted by: Curmudgeon - 2017 GNAMM survivor at October 11, 2017 07:24 PM (ujg0T)

Yes. Uniformed soldiers are subject to treatment under the Geneva Conventions, irregulars aren't - they can be (and often are) summarily executed when caught.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at October 11, 2017 07:27 PM (Bl5Zt)

20 Perhaps Trump will not declare the RG terrorists because he plans to nuke Iran till it glows green.

Posted by: MAGA at October 11, 2017 07:28 PM (LnOh3)

21 tha was wrong not designating them as terror org

Posted by: runner at October 11, 2017 07:28 PM (QC/4S)

22 17 Very OT, but for those morons that are inclined to pray for others, I would humbly ask that you say a prayer for the safety and safe return of my son Steve who has apparently gone missing in California (not in a fire zone). No one has seen him for about ten+ hours, and this is not like him at all!
Thanks
Hrothgar
Posted by: Hrothgar at October 11, 2017 07:27 PM (gwPgz)

Of course, hope he pops up safe and sound and was just lost weekending with a lady friend.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 11, 2017 07:28 PM (rb1zT)

23 6 If it's unclear, doesn't that mean we don't know what he will do?

Posted by: MAGA

Yeah, I prefer to do my hand wringing after the actual news comes out. Remember when Peelousy and Schemer said they had a deal with PDT for DACA amnesty and no wall?

I needed a paper bag franchise around here that day, due to all the hyperventilating.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 11, 2017 07:28 PM (0ogQG)

24 This is garden variety negligence, allowing even one Obama holdover to remain in office 10 months later.

Absolutely inexcusable.

Posted by: navybrat at October 11, 2017 07:28 PM (w7KSn)

25 I think it's mattis and co whispering in his ear that they don't need any more problems and oh by the way, they are helping us with ISIS

Posted by: runner at October 11, 2017 07:29 PM (QC/4S)

26 17 Very OT, but for those morons that are inclined to pray for others, I would humbly ask that you say a prayer for the safety and safe return of my son Steve who has apparently gone missing in California (not in a fire zone). No one has seen him for about ten+ hours, and this is not like him at all!
Thanks
Hrothgar
Posted by: Hrothgar at October 11, 2017 07:27 PM (gwPgz)

Geez. Prayers up for him. You too.

Posted by: Insomniac - The Left Hates You and Wants You to Die at October 11, 2017 07:29 PM (NWiLs)

27 Memories are short.

Remember when everyone put green over their selfie on Twitter because of the students being shot in the streets of Iran.

The Green Revolution.

Posted by: Obi One Sonobi at October 11, 2017 07:30 PM (BaFvY)

28 I think I'll wait and see what the horse actually says, ya know....

Posted by: Tami at October 11, 2017 07:30 PM (Enq6K)

29 Yes. Uniformed soldiers are subject to treatment under the Geneva Conventions, irregulars aren't - they can be (and often are) summarily executed when caught.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at October 11, 2017 07:27 PM (Bl5Zt)

But aren't the IRGC actually elite uniformed troops?

(Forces of evil of course, let me be clear I am not saying they are in any way good.)

I suppose like the Waffen SS of yore, they could be committing horrid atrocities, but the Waffen SS were still uniformed fighting forces.

Posted by: Curmudgeon - 2017 GNAMM survivor at October 11, 2017 07:30 PM (ujg0T)

30 Until you hear Trump say it, I would take this with a grain of salt.
This has happened before.

Posted by: ALH at October 11, 2017 07:30 PM (tlC78)

31 Hrothgar, I hope he is ok

Posted by: runner at October 11, 2017 07:31 PM (QC/4S)

32 17 Very OT, but for those morons that are inclined to pray for others, I would humbly ask that you say a prayer for the safety and safe return of my son Steve who has apparently gone missing in California (not in a fire zone). No one has seen him for about ten+ hours, and this is not like him at all!
Thanks
Hrothgar

Posted by: Hrothgar at October 11, 2017 07:27 PM (gwPgz)

Oh gosh! Prayers up, fast and many.

Posted by: Tami at October 11, 2017 07:31 PM (Enq6K)

33 We'll see. Predicting Trump is a pretty low odds game. Especially when it comes to terrorists. He gets the benefit of the doubt here until he acts.

Posted by: Knaws at October 11, 2017 07:32 PM (UADH5)

34 What was the name of the talking horse on old tv..... not Donald..

Posted by: kraken at October 11, 2017 07:32 PM (zSVEm)

35 Mr. Ed

Posted by: JackStraw at October 11, 2017 07:33 PM (/tuJf)

36 30
Until you hear Trump say it, I would take this with a grain of salt.
This has happened before.
Posted by: ALH at October 11, 2017 07:30 PM (tlC7

Eh, probably right.

Posted by: kraken at October 11, 2017 07:33 PM (zSVEm)

37 32 17 Very OT, but for those morons that are inclined to pray for others, I would humbly ask that you say a prayer for the safety and safe return of my son Steve who has apparently gone missing in California (not in a fire zone). No one has seen him for about ten+ hours, and this is not like him at all!
Thanks
Hrothgar

Posted by: Hrothgar at October 11, 2017 07:27 PM (gwPgz)

Oh gosh! Prayers up, fast and many.
Posted by: Tami at October 11, 2017 07:31 PM (Enq6K)

Prayers.

Posted by: Obi One Sonobi at October 11, 2017 07:33 PM (BaFvY)

38 Yeah.,.. but that bad holdover advice is coming from Kelly... and McMaster... and their Cabal...

One of whom is about to get the DHS Secretary slot....

Posted by: Don Q. at October 11, 2017 07:35 PM (NgKpN)

39 This has McMaster's scrote tracks all over it.

Posted by: Under Fire at October 11, 2017 07:35 PM (mcI77)

40 I think it really might be Mattis this time

Posted by: runner at October 11, 2017 07:36 PM (QC/4S)

41 My mother the car was not believable,

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 11, 2017 07:36 PM (6Ll1u)

42 I'm not sure I understand this logic;

If the US designates the Iranian Republican Guard as a terrorist organization then Iran will dispatch their Iranian Republican Guard troops to terrorize the US?

Is that what Iran said?

Q.E.D, yes?

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at October 11, 2017 07:37 PM (m9X4Y)

43 Best wishes, Hrothgar.

Posted by: rickl at October 11, 2017 07:37 PM (sdi6R)

44 At this point I'm thinking sure, he won't declare them a terrorist group, but he'll back out the Corker deal or something. He always seems to give 'em a bone, then yank the the football away.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at October 11, 2017 07:37 PM (kuFbc)

45 Yes, a President who just tweeted limerick about nuking our enemies is totally in tank for Obama deep staters.

Posted by: MAGA at October 11, 2017 07:37 PM (LnOh3)

46 Sources say?

Meh. We'll see. I remember how he "sold out" on DACA--then gave them 70 demands.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at October 11, 2017 07:37 PM (Ndje9)

47 " according to multiple U.S. officials and other administration insiders who told the Washington Free Beacon....."

Ummm.....Going to wait and see. These unnamed sources that told whoever whatever, don't have all that good a record.

Posted by: the guy across the street at October 11, 2017 07:37 PM (sf2BM)

48 29 Yes. Uniformed soldiers are subject to treatment under the Geneva Conventions, irregulars aren't - they can be (and often are) summarily executed when caught.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at October 11, 2017 07:27 PM (Bl5Zt)

But aren't the IRGC actually elite uniformed troops?

(Forces of evil of course, let me be clear I am not saying they are in any way good.)

I suppose like the Waffen SS of yore, they could be committing horrid atrocities, but the Waffen SS were still uniformed fighting forces.
Posted by: Curmudgeon - 2017 GNAMM survivor at October 11, 2017 07:30 PM (ujg0T)

There was a reason every KGB Officer had a Military Rank.... Uniforms....

Posted by: Don Q. at October 11, 2017 07:37 PM (NgKpN)

49 40 I think it really might be Mattis this time
Posted by: runner at October 11, 2017 07:36 PM (QC/4S)

I agree. I believe he is also against withdrawing from the Iran treaty.

Posted by: Alabaster Jones at October 11, 2017 07:38 PM (LuKE7)

50 OT/ way, way off

I ordered a pizza on-line & they have this Track thing that shows you what step it is at so you know when it is ready.

Steps are: Making; Baking; Boxing; Ready;Picked Up.

Mine is currenty Baking.
Kinda cool.

Posted by: Professor Chaos at October 11, 2017 07:38 PM (ACjI+)

51 Very OT, but for those morons that are inclined to
pray for others, I would humbly ask that you say a prayer for the safety
and safe return of my son Steve who has apparently gone missing in
California (not in a fire zone). No one has seen him for about ten+
hours, and this is not like him at all!

Thanks

Hrothgar

Posted by: Hrothgar at October 11, 2017 07:27 PM (gwPgz)
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What?! Oh, Hrothgar - we sure will pray for your son! Count on it.

Posted by: grammie winger - Hey Hey! at October 11, 2017 07:38 PM (lwiT4)

52 I suppose what annoys me about this is that Congress ( I know, right?) has approved the action.

Posted by: kraken at October 11, 2017 07:38 PM (zSVEm)

53 Didn't we have lots of evidence that it was Iran supplying IEDs and IED materials that was used against our own troops in Syria and Iraq. Pretty sure it would be done via this organization; the Islamic Revolutionary Guard.

Posted by: Obi One Sonobi at October 11, 2017 07:39 PM (BaFvY)

54 Hrothgar,
Done. Just spoke to a friend of mine in Santa Rosa and it's confusion everywhere. Stay positive.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 11, 2017 07:39 PM (y+BJh)

55 mattis and co whispering in his ear that they don't need any more problems and oh by the way, they are helping us with ISIS

So bomb them AFTER the meeting.

Posted by: DaveA at October 11, 2017 07:39 PM (FhXTo)

56 Best wishes for a quick and safe resolution, hrothgar.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 11, 2017 07:39 PM (mhhUf)

57 35 Mr. Ed Posted by: JackStraw

Of course, of course.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at October 11, 2017 07:39 PM (Ndje9)

58 Posted by: Professor Chaos at October 11, 2017 07:38 PM (ACjI+)

what kind of pizza ?

Posted by: runner at October 11, 2017 07:39 PM (QC/4S)

59 Ever see the brit comedy Yes Minister or Yes, Prime Minister?

Highlights all the interference the lower level peons can create just by slowing their work or other delaying tactics. Let alone if they take actual outright hostile action.

Many of these people can't be fired or firing them would leave the position unfilled and making more work for someone else thus creating a slow down in and of itself.

The worst thing that ever happened in government was the unionization of the bureaucracy. Even Roosevelt was against it when it was tried while he was President.

It's provided the peons with a stranglehold on the reins of government and the salaries rise every year and no one gets fired no matter what they do or don't do.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Back from the Dead) at October 11, 2017 07:40 PM (/26zP)

60 17 Very OT, but for those morons that are inclined to pray for others, I would humbly ask that you say a prayer for the safety and safe return of my son Steve who has apparently gone missing in California (not in a fire zone). No one has seen him for about ten+ hours, and this is not like him at all!
Thanks
Hrothgar
Posted by: Hrothgar at October 11, 2017 07:27 PM (gwPgz)
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Oh my goodness, Hrothgar - I'm praying hard for him.

Posted by: bluebell at October 11, 2017 07:40 PM (UoSKV)

61 There was a reason every KGB Officer had a Military Rank.... Uniforms....
Posted by: Don Q. at October 11, 2017 07:37 PM (NgKpN)

But again, we don't call enemy spies "terrorists", (unless they are ringleaders organizing and operating among them)?

Not meaning to quibble here, I am just trying to figure out who we call what.

Posted by: Curmudgeon - 2017 GNAMM survivor at October 11, 2017 07:40 PM (ujg0T)

62 I don't think we can summarily execute terrorists either. And I don't think the Iranian Guard are in uniform when in Iraq or Syria assisting in terrorist attacks.

Posted by: Alabaster Jones at October 11, 2017 07:40 PM (LuKE7)

63 Done Hrothgar. He's probably ok but keep us posted.

Posted by: freaked at October 11, 2017 07:40 PM (UdKB7)

64 Hrothgar- hopefully he just lost his phone. I'll keep you in my thoughts. Keep us posted.

Posted by: Johnny at October 11, 2017 07:40 PM (kUotE)

65 Posted by: runner at October 11, 2017 07:39 PM (QC/4S)

Papa Johns

Posted by: Professor Chaos at October 11, 2017 07:40 PM (ACjI+)

66 53 Didn't we have lots of evidence that it was Iran supplying IEDs and IED materials that was used against our own troops in Syria and Iraq. Pretty sure it would be done via this organization; the Islamic Revolutionary Guard.
Posted by: Obi One Sonobi at October 11, 2017 07:39 PM (BaFvY)

Yes, we even caught some of them red handed...

And before that? Yes, there was evidence they designed and built the Truck bomb that killed our Marines in Beirut in 83...

Long history of them getting away with crap...

Posted by: Don Q. at October 11, 2017 07:41 PM (NgKpN)

67 @25 I think that's right.

Posted by: blaster at October 11, 2017 07:41 PM (jHrzU)

68 This would be a good move by President Trump my friendssshhh.

Ow! My head.

Posted by: John McCain at October 11, 2017 07:41 PM (mcI77)

69 Posted by: Hrothgar at October 11, 2017 07:27 PM (gwPgz)

Done.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at October 11, 2017 07:42 PM (kuFbc)

70 Praying for Hrothgar

Posted by: navybrat at October 11, 2017 07:42 PM (w7KSn)

71 I guess there is something about this Iran Deal that none of us will ever be privy to. Not even most members of Congress.

It's possible we made a deal with Iran and paid them in a mercenary fashion to fight ISIS in Iraq.

Supposedly it could be legal if a few key members of Congress were consulted.

The timeline has always suggested something like that and early on Iran made a big splash about key generals getting killed by ISIS when they first stepped in.

Posted by: Obi One Sonobi at October 11, 2017 07:43 PM (BaFvY)

72 I won't know what to think until I hear what 4chan has to say.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 11, 2017 07:43 PM (/tuJf)

73 they are "assisting" with ISIS, very helpful those Iranians are...

Posted by: runner at October 11, 2017 07:43 PM (QC/4S)

74 We're still getting our three hots and a cot. Porn too.

Posted by: Enemy Combatants Jailed In GITMO at October 11, 2017 07:43 PM (mcI77)

75 God speed to Hrothgar's son.

Posted by: Curmudgeon - 2017 GNAMM survivor at October 11, 2017 07:43 PM (ujg0T)

76 Until you hear Trump say it, I would take this with a grain of salt.
This has happened before.
Posted by: ALH at October 11, 2017 07:30 PM (tlC7

This.

Other OT, FBI opening investigation into Handsy McFernfucker.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 11, 2017 07:43 PM (mhhUf)

77 But aren't the IRGC actually elite uniformed troops?

(Forces of evil of course, let me be clear I am not saying they are in any way good.)

I suppose like the Waffen SS of yore, they could be committing horrid atrocities, but the Waffen SS were still uniformed fighting forces.

Posted by: Curmudgeon - 2017 GNAMM survivor at October 11, 2017 07:30 PM (ujg0T)

For certain values of "elite", yes. They're more of a (like the SS) Regime Force, loyal not to the country but to the leadership (i.e. personal Loyalty oaths to Hitler were required in the SS) . All the trendy strong-man regimes have one. They're the ones that go to the wall when the people try to depose the leaders, since the leaders can't always trust the regular military. Hussein's Republican Guards served the same purpose. Iran still has a regular Army and Navy, but the IRGC and IRGCN get a large share of what they would normally have.

If we meet them on the battlefield in a conventional attack, then I suppose they would be treated appropriately. If they're caught un-uniformed and sabotaging our stuff, then they'll be treated as spies and saboteurs. Recall we put to death as spies every German infiltrator in WW2.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at October 11, 2017 07:44 PM (Bl5Zt)

78 edit:It's possible we made a deal with Iran and paid them in a mercenary fashion to fight ISIS in *Syria*.

Posted by: Obi One Sonobi at October 11, 2017 07:44 PM (BaFvY)

79
If he designates them as a terror organization all those European defense contractors won't be able to sell them stuff

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at October 11, 2017 07:44 PM (lKyWE)

80 I think right now ISIS is job 1.

Everything gets subsumed to that.

Posted by: blaster at October 11, 2017 07:45 PM (jHrzU)

81
Mine is currenty Baking.
Kinda cool.

Posted by: Professor Chaos

Mmmmmm, cool pizza

Posted by: Homer Simpson at October 11, 2017 07:45 PM (IqV8l)

82 In the future, pizza will require pepperoni and pineapple, and you will like it.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 11, 2017 07:45 PM (6Ll1u)

83 For certain values of "elite", yes. They're more of a (like the SS) Regime Force, loyal not to the country but to the leadership (i.e. personal Loyalty oaths to Hitler were required in the SS) . All the trendy strong-man regimes have one. They're the ones that go to the wall when the people try to depose the leaders, since the leaders can't always trust the regular military. Hussein's Republican Guards served the same purpose. Iran still has a regular Army and Navy, but the IRGC and IRGCN get a large share of what they would normally have.

If we meet them on the battlefield in a conventional attack, then I suppose they would be treated appropriately. If they're caught un-uniformed and sabotaging our stuff, then they'll be treated as spies and saboteurs. Recall we put to death as spies every German infiltrator in WW2.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at October 11, 2017 07:44 PM (Bl5Zt)

So they are Iran's modern-day Waffen-SS. That makes sense.

Posted by: Curmudgeon - 2017 GNAMM survivor at October 11, 2017 07:47 PM (ujg0T)

84 82

In the future, pizza will require pepperoni and pineapple, and you will like it.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 11, 2017 07:45 PM (6Ll1u)

How about the broccoli and kale ones?? Saw that in Denver...

Posted by: kraken at October 11, 2017 07:47 PM (zSVEm)

85 And now on AceTV, an update on Professor Chaos' pizza!

Posted by: Johnny at October 11, 2017 07:47 PM (kUotE)

86
Uniforms do not protect you from war crimes or other prosecutions, they just (technically) remove you from the immediate tribunals authorized under Geneva for illegal combatants.

And I think the predecessor agency of the KGB that first used uniforms was the MGB, under Abakumov, who started the military-style stuff as head of SMERSH during WWII. The famous leather coat informal "uniform" of the Chekist started under the founder, Dzerzhinsky, but only by chance - he got his hands on a big shipment of long leather coats that had been produced for the Imperial Russian army.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 11, 2017 07:47 PM (QDnY+)

87 Other OT, FBI opening investigation into Handsy McFernfucker.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 11, 2017 07:43 PM (mhhUf)

There is no evidence connecting Mr. Weinstein to terrorism, sexual harassment, Hollywood, New York, Miramax, the Weinstein Company or any potted plants. His alleged connections to the movie industry are still under investigation.

Posted by: FBI at October 11, 2017 07:47 PM (NWiLs)

88
do you people know that shrimp is aquatic pepperoni ?

Posted by: runner at October 11, 2017 07:47 PM (QC/4S)

89 Praying Hrothgar!

Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at October 11, 2017 07:48 PM (CNHr1)

90 >>It's possible we made a deal with Iran and paid them in a mercenary fashion to fight ISIS in *Syria*.

Why bother? ISIS is attacking Iran too. In June they had a couple attacks including one on Iran's Parliament that killed a bunch of people.

Iran consider ISIS an enemy.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 11, 2017 07:48 PM (/tuJf)

91 80 I think right now ISIS is job 1.

Everything gets subsumed to that.

Posted by: blaster at October 11, 2017 07:45 PM (jHrzU)

*************

Ya--the fight is going damn good right now. Funny how a new Commander in Chief went with a change in that.

I still remember the reports from pilots saying how they weren't allowed to drop on targets back in the Obama Era. As if the White House was doing command and control.

Posted by: Obi One Sonobi at October 11, 2017 07:48 PM (BaFvY)

92 Hitler was served breakfast by the Waffle-SS

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 11, 2017 07:49 PM (IqV8l)

93 90 >>It's possible we made a deal with Iran and paid them in a mercenary fashion to fight ISIS in *Syria*.

Why bother? ISIS is attacking Iran too. In June they had a couple attacks including one on Iran's Parliament that killed a bunch of people.

Iran consider ISIS an enemy.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 11, 2017 07:48 PM (/tuJf)

*************

Don't you think anything about the Iran Deal is a bit off?

Posted by: Obi One Sonobi at October 11, 2017 07:49 PM (BaFvY)

94
Has "You're fired!" been expunged from his vocabulary?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 11, 2017 07:50 PM (8dpRy)

95 Might be better to ask if anything in the Iran deal is on the level.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 11, 2017 07:51 PM (rb1zT)

96 praying for your son's safe return, hrothgar

Posted by: phoenixgirl... at October 11, 2017 07:51 PM (0O7c5)

97 >>Don't you think anything about the Iran Deal is a bit off?

I think everything about the Iran deal is off. But that doesn't change the fact that ISIS and Iran are also mortal enemies.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 11, 2017 07:51 PM (/tuJf)

98 OT, I know it's not to 100 yet, but I need some help and a rant. Dad and I plan on driving to Mesquite, NV (7 hr drive) tomorrow for a long wknd. It will probably be his last trip. We want to go before the snow flies.

On the job front, I got a call from a very reputable family, decades owned company here locally. Did a short q a yesterday. Today they sent me a link to a test and I evidently passed the 2.5 hr test. They want me to interview tomorrow. I sent a very polite email outlining my dilemma and received an auto reply and HR will be out until Monday. What should I do? I'm torn.

Posted by: Infidel at October 11, 2017 07:51 PM (NuO9F)

99 {i]82 In the future, pizza will require pepperoni and pineapple, and you will like it.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 11, 2017 07:45 PM (6Ll1u)

Under Wife likes Canadian Bacon(glorified deli ham) and Pineapple on her pizza. I tell her it's just wrong. So wrong.

Posted by: Under Fire at October 11, 2017 07:51 PM (mcI77)

100 Uniforms do not protect you from war crimes or other prosecutions, they just (technically) remove you from the immediate tribunals authorized under Geneva for illegal combatants.

I get that rhomboid, but I don't think of enemies, spies or soldiers, as "terrorists" in the defined sense of terrorists as irregular civilians committing violence for a political goal.

I suppose the goon who shot at the Republicans playing softball a while back would be a terrorist in that definition.

Posted by: Curmudgeon - 2017 GNAMM survivor at October 11, 2017 07:51 PM (ujg0T)

101 Crap, Hrothgar. Prayers up for his safe return and strength for your family.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 11, 2017 07:51 PM (tRaq7)

102 Don't you think anything about the Iran Deal is a bit off?
---

Two billion dollars in currency airlifted into Tehran seems a little odd to me.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at October 11, 2017 07:51 PM (m9X4Y)

103 'Hitler was served breakfast by the Waffle-SS'

Sometimes he had blintz kringles

Posted by: freaked at October 11, 2017 07:52 PM (UdKB7)

104
Pasdaran (IGRC) does/does not wear uniforms, depending. And to simplify but only a little bit ....

IGRC = Hezbollah = certain Iraqi Shi'a formations = Syrian regime, in terms ofoperational situations in different places, and overall, strategically.

And Syria's alignment, which has morphed into much more, with Iran (itself an unprecedentedlinking of Arab and Persian, Shi'a and non-Shi'a powers), is a main reason thatthe Syrian regime is,in fact, an adversary - for us, and for our partners and cooperating states.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 11, 2017 07:52 PM (QDnY+)

105 The famous leather coat informal "uniform" of the Chekist started under the founder, Dzerzhinsky, but only by chance - he got his hands on a big shipment of long leather coats that had been produced for the Imperial Russian army.

So then he was lucky he didn't commandeer a shipment headed for the Russian ballet. It's hard to intimidate subversives when you're wearing tights and pink shoes.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 11, 2017 07:52 PM (Mouru)

106 Well Gang, I'm of mixed minds about this.
Is the IRGC a terrorist group or not?
Iran is an emerging third world state with a huge army. They train every year with multiple Corps in the field. (We haven't fielded a Division in years.)
They have a Special Forces organization. They train hard and well.
Are they "terrorists?"
Are our SF and Seals?
Because I'll tell you their operations are remarkably similar.
Now...what are the political ramifications facing President Trump if he makes such a declaration?
(Keep in mind the three SF guys killed in Niger earlier this week.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 11, 2017 07:52 PM (y+BJh)

107 We paid them huge sums of money and what did we get for it?

It's weird Iran did make big moves into Syria with some of their top generals getting killed after the deal was done.

It might have been part of the whole negotiation.

It's not that far fetched.

Look at deals made with Russia during WW II.

Posted by: Obi One Sonobi at October 11, 2017 07:52 PM (BaFvY)

108 97 >>Don't you think anything about the Iran Deal is a bit off?

I think everything about the Iran deal is off. But that doesn't change the fact that ISIS and Iran are also mortal enemies.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 11, 2017 07:51 PM (/tuJf)

Because both claim to be the only true Scotsman... er... Caliph of Islam...

Posted by: Don Q. at October 11, 2017 07:53 PM (NgKpN)

109 Or Panzer kakes

Posted by: freaked at October 11, 2017 07:53 PM (UdKB7)

110 106 Well Gang, I'm of mixed minds about this.
Is the IRGC a terrorist group or not?
Iran is an emerging third world state with a huge army. They train every year with multiple Corps in the field. (We haven't fielded a Division in years.)
They have a Special Forces organization. They train hard and well.
Are they "terrorists?"
Are our SF and Seals?
Because I'll tell you their operations are remarkably similar.
Now...what are the political ramifications facing President Trump if he makes such a declaration?
(Keep in mind the three SF guys killed in Niger earlier this week.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 11, 2017 07:52 PM (y+BJh)

Diogenes has it I think. Definitions matter, for our own guys as well as theirs.

Posted by: Curmudgeon - 2017 GNAMM survivor at October 11, 2017 07:53 PM (ujg0T)

111 They want me to interview tomorrow. I sent a very polite email outlining my dilemma and received an auto reply and HR will be out until Monday. What should I do? I'm torn.
Posted by: Infidel at October 11, 2017 07:51 PM (NuO9F)

Take the trip. I don't know anyone whow regretted not making an interview.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 11, 2017 07:53 PM (mhhUf)

112 Posted by: Infidel at October 11, 2017 07:51 PM (NuO9F)

Jeez. That's a tough one.

Gun to my head, I'd go on the trip.

Do you have any other contact info for the company? Maybe a potential manager you could explain the situation to?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 11, 2017 07:54 PM (rb1zT)

113 On the job front, I got a call from a very reputable family, decades owned company here locally. Did a short q a yesterday. Today they sent me a link to a test and I evidently passed the 2.5 hr test. They want me to interview tomorrow. I sent a very polite email outlining my dilemma and received an auto reply and HR will be out until Monday. What should I do? I'm torn.

Posted by: Infidel at October 11, 2017 07:51 PM (NuO9F)

Can you go to NV on Friday?

Posted by: Tami at October 11, 2017 07:54 PM (Enq6K)

114 Don't you think anything about the Iran Deal is a bit off?

*****

Off????

The real question is why is there a Deal at all???

Posted by: Diogenes at October 11, 2017 07:54 PM (y+BJh)

115 Iran is a designated state sponsor of terrorism.

Not that it stopped Obamao from them ten billion dollars in small unmarked bills.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 11, 2017 07:55 PM (IWbvi)

116 Or leave for NV after your interview.

Posted by: Tami at October 11, 2017 07:55 PM (Enq6K)

117 This is telling. Just saw an ad for the Democrat candidate for governor in Virginia. His primary was notable for the commercial where he called Trump a "narcissistic maniac."

His ad now starts off with how he would work with Trump if he will help Virginia. Now he goes on to say all the ways Trump is terrible for Virginia, but it is an interesting pivot. Because Ed Gillespie is a #nevertrump who has been clear how independent he would be from Trump.

Posted by: blaster at October 11, 2017 07:55 PM (jHrzU)

118 Infidel, tell them that you know someone who would be a great fit for their HR department. Willing to work Thursdays AND Fridays.

Posted by: Johnny at October 11, 2017 07:55 PM (kUotE)

119 Also, I would not mention said dilemma to your Dad. He has enough to worry about, and if he is anything like mine, even on his death bed he would tell me to go to the interview.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 11, 2017 07:57 PM (rb1zT)

120 Super. Disqus had a data breach and nulled all the affected user's passwords. Now I can't log in and when I try using Facebook or other means it tells me that the email I'm using is already being used but still won't let me log in under that email OR email me a password. Worked fine yesterday or so ago. Now all to crap.

I've always hated the idea of a one site commenting system.
I hope they die in a fire. Now I got to set up another email just for these morons.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Back from the Dead) at October 11, 2017 07:57 PM (/26zP)

121 Posted by: rhomboid at October 11, 2017 07:52 PM (QDnY+)

You don't have to tell me but how do you know all this.

I now think you're a spook.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 11, 2017 07:57 PM (Ri/rl)

122 Prayers to you Hrothgar for the safe return of your son.

Posted by: BeckoniningChasm at October 11, 2017 07:58 PM (l9m7l)

123 Posted by: Infidel at October 11, 2017 07:51 PM (NuO9F)

you sent them an email explaining, now go with your dad with clear conscience. The interview has to be convenient for both, the interviewer and interviewee.

Posted by: runner at October 11, 2017 07:59 PM (QC/4S)

124 Posted by: Hrothgar at October 11, 2017 07:27 PM (gwPgz)

Prayers up.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 11, 2017 07:59 PM (Ri/rl)

125 Guess what's in my pants Trump.

Posted by: Jimmy Kimmel at October 11, 2017 08:00 PM (mcI77)

126 Terrorists are people who intentionally target non military targets in an effort to terrorize the population for either punitive or strategic purposes.

The Iranians definitely are guilty of this.

Posted by: Alabaster Jones at October 11, 2017 08:00 PM (LuKE7)

127 I did read that when the fight for Mosul was over, the Iraqi government asked the Iranians who were fighting with them to LEAVE Iraq.

'Bye, Thanks, so long. Get out.

The government of Iraq is not confused about what Iran's long term aims are.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at October 11, 2017 08:00 PM (S6Pax)

128 Whichever thread you are on....sonobi is there.

Posted by: torabora at October 11, 2017 08:00 PM (6dFYM)

129 As always, I suspect PDT is playing a multidimensional game of chess here... I don't think anyone believes "draining the swamp" is anything less than a Herculean task!

He's been in office less than a year, and it's been all up hill! I suspect things will progress more quickly in the right direction in due time... Speaking of which, how is the Odious RBG feeling these days?

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at October 11, 2017 08:00 PM (e9G8E)

130 Johnny. lol.

I guess I could call while dad has his eye appt at 8am. Dad is done with the day by 3pm. If we leave on Fri. that only leaves one day. Dad is getting more and more confused. Yesterday, he came by my place before having lunch with me and bro bc he forgot how to get to the restaurant he has been going to for 42 yrs. They may want me to start training on Mon. It's only a temp job thru the holidays but could turn permanent.

Posted by: Infidel at October 11, 2017 08:01 PM (NuO9F)

131
There is no Job 1, there are a few tied for first, and whereas there was some tension between fighting Iran/fighting ISIS before, not so much now, given the nice progress against ISIS the last 6 months.

How TF has IGRC *not* been on the terrorist list since forever? Thought they were. Biggest, best, most important, most successful (blood) global terrorist outfit in modern history.

So let's see what Trump actually does. Wild, edgy approach, but I am known for pushing the envelope.

Oh - and "Obama holdovers" don't make decisions, presidents do. Though apparently fretting over subordinates (and family members! eleventy!) below the decision-making level is incredibly popular, for some reason.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 11, 2017 08:01 PM (QDnY+)

132 Your tax dollars at work:

SCIENTISTS INFLATED DEAD DOLPHIN PENISES TO FAKE SEX WITH DEAD DOLPHIN VAGINAS

https://tinyurl.com/yb5gx5xa

If I understand this correctly, she blowing dead dolphin dick.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at October 11, 2017 08:02 PM (Nwg0u)

133 Meh. Rumors, "sources say ...".

Personally, I like to wait until PDT actually does or says something, and I think events have shown that to be a good policy.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/7 at October 11, 2017 08:03 PM (z3Hmr)

134 120 Super. Disqus had a data breach and nulled all the affected user's passwords. Now I can't log in and when I try using Facebook or other means it tells me that the email I'm using is already being used but still won't let me log in under that email OR email me a password. Worked fine yesterday or so ago. Now all to crap.

I've always hated the idea of a one site commenting system.
I hope they die in a fire. Now I got to set up another email just for these morons.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Back from the Dead) at October 11, 2017 07:57 PM (/26zP)

I never did like Disqus. I read something last night that said if you're banned at a site that uses Disqus, you're banned at all sites that use Disqus. I don't know if that's true, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Posted by: rickl at October 11, 2017 08:04 PM (sdi6R)

135 Why won't Trump do what I WANT him to do?

Yes,yes the pussy grabber is now a pussy.

Another thread in need of a Midol.

Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at October 11, 2017 08:04 PM (BUahG)

136 Oh - and "Obama holdovers" don't make decisions, presidents do. Though apparently fretting over subordinates (and family members! eleventy!) below the decision-making level is incredibly popular, for some reason.
Posted by: rhomboid

Obama holdovers can spread disinformation through leaks to the press. That is probably close to what this actually is. Trying to either stampede opinion or get Trump to feel embarrassed by a decision.

I don't think Trump can be embarrassed too much in public.

Exit question: What does Harvey Weinstein think of this?

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at October 11, 2017 08:04 PM (S6Pax)

137 >>And Syria's alignment, which has morphed into much more, with Iran (itself an unprecedentedlinking of Arab and Persian, Shi'a and non-Shi'a powers), is a main reason thatthe Syrian regime is,in fact, an adversary - for us, and for our partners and cooperating states.

Money makes all clear and often makes bedfellows of the strangest partners.

Iran is sitting on a shit ton of oil but until the Iran deal they had no way to sell it because of the sanctions. Syria has deep water ports in the Med with easy access to Europe. Russia, who fought the original implementation of the sanctions and worked doggedly to undermine them, is a gas station/gas broker masquerading as a country.

The plans for a pipeline from Iran through northern Iraq and onto the ports of Syria has been on the table for years, since before the Iraq war and with Russia's sponsorship and most importantly money a partnership was born. As usual, follow the money.

Tell Vladimir I'll have more flexibility after the election.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 11, 2017 08:05 PM (/tuJf)

138 On the job front, I got a call from a very reputable family, decades owned company here locally. Did a short q a yesterday. Today they sent me a link to a test and I evidently passed the 2.5 hr test. They want me to interview tomorrow. I sent a very polite email outlining my dilemma and received an auto reply and HR will be out until Monday. What should I do? I'm torn.
Posted by: Infidel at October 11, 2017 07:51 PM (NuO9F)

Infidel,

Just my two cents. We cannot find good people to work for us. If I was impressed with your test results I would understand your dilemma and schedule the interview at your convenience.
But not everyone is kind.
Do you have anyone else's contact info?f

Again, we cannot find good people to work in the office. As my husband calls them, the millenniums are not good employees.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 11, 2017 08:05 PM (Ri/rl)

139 Barry Obama's holdovers are worse than AIDS.

What the everlovin' f*** will it take for someone to get to Trump and tell him to clean house?????

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 11, 2017 08:05 PM (PY9jH)

140 OT: The documentary "The Fantasy Film Worlds of George Pal" is on TCM, if you care.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at October 11, 2017 08:05 PM (qJtVm)

141 Wait. It's a head fake. He's better at negotiating than they are and he knows it

It ain't over

Posted by: ThunderB at October 11, 2017 08:06 PM (Txkwm)

142 So--when did Iran first enter Syria?

Then look at the Tehran Conference during WW II.

That was Stalin trying to get us to open another front on Germany.

The Iran Deal could have been trying to get a sort of reverse of that. Getting Iran to open up another front on ISIS in Levant.

Look at the timing--it's just conjecture and it's interesting but it's also possible.

Posted by: Obi One Sonobi at October 11, 2017 08:06 PM (BaFvY)

143 Gnats

Rats

Posted by: grammie winger - Hey Hey! at October 11, 2017 08:07 PM (lwiT4)

144 Meanwhile, Harve the Perv is trying to wend his way back into your heart:

"I cannot be more remorseful about the people I hurt and I plan to do right by them. I am going to need a place to channel that anger, so I've decided that I'm going to give the NRA my full attention." He added, "I'm making a movie about our President, perhaps we can make it a joint retirement party."

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at October 11, 2017 08:07 PM (Nwg0u)

145 128 Whichever thread you are on....sonobi is there.

Posted by: torabora at October 11, 2017 08:00 PM (6dFYM)

Wherever there's a Pixy munging up a comment... sonobi will be there.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at October 11, 2017 08:07 PM (5sQ8t)

146 Nats win. Game Five tomorrow night.

Posted by: tu3031 at October 11, 2017 08:07 PM (O5Q3r)

147 And Syria's alignment, which has morphed into much more, with Iran (itself an unprecedentedlinking of Arab and Persian, Shi'a and non-Shi'a powers), is a main reason thatthe Syrian regime is,in fact, an adversary - for us, and for our partners and cooperating states.
Posted by: rhomboid at October 11, 2017 07:52 PM (QDnY+)

The Alewhite sect of Islam is technically considered to be a part of Shia Islam. TyexAssads are Alewhite.

Posted by: Fox2! at October 11, 2017 08:08 PM (PA57R)

148 Again, we cannot find good people to work in the office. As my husband calls them, the millenniums are not good employees.
Posted by: CaliGirl at October 11, 2017 08:05 PM (Ri/rl)

Amen to this. I can definitely tell the job market is tightening. Also, it is harder to find people willing to work beyond 8 hours of a certain age. Seen a lot of kids walk out on a good job with benefits because it did not stick to a straight 8 hour schedule- in manufacturing!

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 11, 2017 08:08 PM (rb1zT)

149 Well Gang, I'm of mixed minds about this.
Is the IRGC a terrorist group or not?
Iran is an emerging third world state with a huge army. They train every year with multiple Corps in the field. (We haven't fielded a Division in years.)
They have a Special Forces organization. They train hard and well.
Are they "terrorists?"
Are our SF and Seals?
Because I'll tell you their operations are remarkably similar.
Now...what are the political ramifications facing President Trump if he makes such a declaration?
(Keep in mind the three SF guys killed in Niger earlier this week.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 11, 2017 07:52 PM (y+BJh)

Diogenes has it I think. Definitions matter, for our own guys as well as theirs.
Posted by: Curmudgeon - 2017 GNAMM survivor at October 11, 2017 07:53 PM (ujg0T)

I was thinking along the same lines. In ways this sort of thing is arbitrary.

Like sitting at a bar, looking at all the hot women and declaring them to be tramps. If you ain't getting up to talk to them, what difference does it make. Who cares what you call them.

If we're going to go kill all the "terrorist organizations" in the world, then it matters who you do and don't call terrorists.

But we're not doing that... right?

So then who cares.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 11, 2017 08:08 PM (Pz4pT)

150 Posted by: rhomboid at October 11, 2017 08:01 PM (QDnY+)

Onfirmationcay,

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 11, 2017 08:08 PM (Ri/rl)

151 Next on AceTV, a word from Yo!

Yes, literally one word.

Posted by: Johnny at October 11, 2017 08:08 PM (kUotE)

152 17 Very OT, but for those morons that are inclined to pray for others, I would humbly ask that you say a prayer for the safety and safe return of my son Steve who has apparently gone missing in California (not in a fire zone). No one has seen him for about ten+ hours, and this is not like him at all!
Thanks
Hrothgar
Posted by: Hrothgar at October 11, 2017 07:27 PM (gwPgz)

Prayers for the safe return of your son, Hrothgar. Prayers for strength and mercy for you.

Posted by: Ladylibertarian at October 11, 2017 08:08 PM (TdMsT)

153 Woo hoo!

Well, grammie, we get to do this again tomorrow!

Posted by: bluebell at October 11, 2017 08:10 PM (UoSKV)

154 Very OT, but for those morons that are inclined to pray for others, I
would humbly ask that you say a prayer for the safety and safe return of
my son Steve who has apparently gone missing in California (not in a
fire zone). No one has seen him for about ten+ hours, and this is not
like him at all!

Thanks

Hrothgar

Posted by: Hrothgar at October 11, 2017 07:27 PM (gwPgz)

You have my prayers, hon.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 11, 2017 08:10 PM (PY9jH)

155 Obama and Kerry don't want to commit more troops because they lie to their hippie base so what do the do?

They pay Iran to up the troop numbers.

Posted by: Obi One Sonobi at October 11, 2017 08:10 PM (BaFvY)

156 Hrothgar, prayers for you and your son.

Guess I will call dad and let him know my dilemma and then call the HR office at 8am.

Posted by: Infidel at October 11, 2017 08:11 PM (NuO9F)

157 Tucker's understatement of the night, re Vegas shooting: "Things are getting weirder and more confusing."

Yep.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 11, 2017 08:11 PM (PY9jH)

158 Amen to this. I can definitely tell the job market is tightening. Also, it is harder to find people willing to work beyond 8 hours of a certain age. Seen a lot of kids walk out on a good job with benefits because it did not stick to a straight 8 hour schedule- in manufacturing!
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 11, 2017 08:08 PM (rb1zT)

I'm talking about accounting, receptionists and sales assistants. We have hired Air Force Veterens, college grads, We have full benefits too.
Most millennials, not all, do not have the same drive and work ethic as my parents generation.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 11, 2017 08:11 PM (Ri/rl)

159 Mark Levin said this afternoon that President Reagan fired ALL political appointees on day one. So did clintoon. President Trump should have done the same thing. First thing you do when getting ready to set up housekeeping in new digs is to fumigate the damn pace.

Posted by: Eromero at October 11, 2017 08:13 PM (zLDYs)

160 Yanks jump out early. Gregorious homers to right.

Posted by: tu3031 at October 11, 2017 08:13 PM (O5Q3r)

161 132

That is so hot.

Anyone got a boat? I have the sudden urge to blow a load on a kelp bed.

Posted by: Harvey Weinstein at October 11, 2017 08:14 PM (7mFSe)

162 Hrothgar at October 11, 2017 07:27 PM (gwPgz)

Prayers for all of you.

Posted by: abby at October 11, 2017 08:14 PM (HBU7W)

163
I'm talking about accounting, receptionists and
sales assistants. We have hired Air Force Veterens, college grads, We
have full benefits too.

Most millennials, not all, do not have the same drive and work ethic as my parents generation.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 11, 2017 08:11 PM (Ri/rl)

My husband has been lucky. He's had no problem finding employees with IT experience, and he tries to hire veterans. He has a great team, and offers them healthcare, including dental. He had one guy leave to go to S. CA at his sister's urging to flip houses, something he had no experience in whatsoever.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 11, 2017 08:14 PM (PY9jH)

164 Oh boy, tonight's Frontline is titled 'War on the EPA'. I bet that'll be completely objective and unbiased.

Posted by: John Marston at October 11, 2017 08:15 PM (SkuXa)

165 Tucker just confirmed the FBI is investigating Weinstein for sex crimes.

This could get very interesting.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 11, 2017 08:15 PM (/tuJf)

166 Anyone got a boat? I have the sudden urge to blow a load on a kelp bed.

Posted by: Harvey Weinstein at October 11, 2017 08:14 PM (7mFSe)

Choking to death here. Anyone know the Heimlich maneuver? My husband is in the garage and can't hear me.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 11, 2017 08:16 PM (PY9jH)

167 Trump impersonates a helicopter:

https://tinyurl.com/y8ruwm7h

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at October 11, 2017 08:16 PM (Nwg0u)

168 Hrothgar, is is our earnest prayer that Steve be returned to you safe and sound.

Posted by: Eromero at October 11, 2017 08:17 PM (zLDYs)

169 Tucker brings the pain.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 11, 2017 08:17 PM (PY9jH)

170 144 Meanwhile, Harve the Perv is trying to wend his way back into your heart:

"I cannot be more remorseful about the people I hurt and I plan to do right by them. I am going to need a place to channel that anger, so I've decided that I'm going to give the NRA my full attention." He added, "I'm making a movie about our President, perhaps we can make it a joint retirement party."

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at October 11, 2017 08:07 PM (Nwg0u)

Wait....is that really what he said?!

Posted by: Tami at October 11, 2017 08:17 PM (Enq6K)

171 Probably should mention there is a new thread.

Posted by: Aviator at October 11, 2017 08:18 PM (2cuLk)

172 My husband has been lucky. He's had no problem finding employees with IT experience, and he tries to hire veterans. He has a great team, and offers them healthcare, including dental. He had one guy leave to go to S. CA at his sister's urging to flip houses, something he had no experience in whatsoever.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 11, 2017 08:14 PM (PY9jH)

We've hired 3 Air Force veterans and they didn't work out.
I don't recall why. It's really hard to find good employees.
1 was a sales assistant and he just wasn't getting it. The other two we used them in accounting. They didn't work out either.
Our latest hire is working out, she's an accounting major fresh out of college. She's sharp and has a good work ethic.
She's from Asia.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 11, 2017 08:19 PM (Ri/rl)

173 Our latest hire is working out, she's an accounting major fresh out of college. She's sharp and has a good work ethic.
She's from Asia.
Posted by: CaliGirl at October 11, 2017 08:19 PM (Ri/rl)

Well way to break the stereotype

Posted by: buzzion at October 11, 2017 08:22 PM (z/Ubi)

174 Wait....is that really what he said?!

-
Yup.

https://tinyurl.com/yakkr4q4

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at October 11, 2017 08:23 PM (Nwg0u)

175 You know what? I'm going to pause.

Trump is no dummy. He's proved that over the last forty years. He's probably used to some guy trying to drum up enthusiasm for one thing or another to get him to bite at an expensive bait. Trump has proven over those past forty years - and definitely over the last three - that he knows everything about marketing and puffery and ballyhoo and band-wagoning that a mortal man can know.

I am going to be patient and wait for him to decide when he wants to cancel this deal.

And on the subject of "Trump the Puppet" - haven't we already been through this before? That Donald Trump is controlled by Ivanka; no, Jared; no, Jared and Ivanka; no, Bannon; no, he was going to appoint Mitt; no, he is going to sell us out to the Paris Accords; no, he will open the borders; no, he etc., etc, etc.

My take is: Trump will talk to a fire hydrant if they are both on a street corner and his schedule has been delayed by 90 seconds. He is the first hyperactive president we have had this century (Theodore Roosevelt being the hyperactive president of the 20th Century) and like T.R. he has figured out how to focus all of that energy. He will listen to the pitch from anyone, he will let everyone think that he agrees with them, and he keeps his own counsel and will make his own decision when he thinks the correct time to move is. Note: that last does not mean he will be correct in his timing; just that he isn't a puppet.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Football Season! Nincompoopery and Jackassery on Sale at The Outrage Outlet at October 11, 2017 08:23 PM (66/E/)

176 Trump. Less than perfect, still not Hillary.

Posted by: West at October 11, 2017 08:26 PM (yDZcL)

177 Hrothgar, Prayers sent so that your son will be found safe and healthy.

Posted by: Mrs JTB at October 11, 2017 08:27 PM (V+03K)

178 158 Amen to this. I can definitely tell the job market is tightening. Also, it is harder to find people willing to work beyond 8 hours of a certain age. Seen a lot of kids walk out on a good job with benefits because it did not stick to a straight 8 hour schedule- in manufacturing!
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 11, 2017 08:08 PM (rb1zT)

I'm talking about accounting, receptionists and sales assistants. We have hired Air Force Veterens, college grads, We have full benefits too.
Most millennials, not all, do not have the same drive and work ethic as my parents generation.
Posted by: CaliGirl at October 11, 2017 08:11 PM (Ri/rl)

It's still pretty rough out there. I'm just now starting to get a fingerhold back into work, and I still don't have a full time gig despite being highly qualified. Unfortunately my age, sex and race all count against me.

Posted by: FBI at October 11, 2017 08:28 PM (NWiLs)

179 Damn sock fail. Stupid stupid stupid.

Posted by: Insomniac - The Left Hates You and Wants You to Die at October 11, 2017 08:34 PM (NWiLs)

180 #175 I agree; and maybe coming from a source not such an Israeli partisan too, Mikey.

Posted by: andycanuck at October 11, 2017 08:38 PM (mJ8mX)

181 Jane D'oh

Sen. Larry Craig (R-ID)

Posted by: mnw at October 11, 2017 08:53 PM (hLB6Q)

182 These stories about Trump being somehow thwarted by his own employees keep being wrong. Like, every time they can be verified. Some of them are probably expressing sincere worries, but others are obviously just conservative concern trolls.

Posted by: GalosGann at October 11, 2017 09:00 PM (md1b/)

183 Mr. Trump just needs permission from his daughter to declare the IRGC a terrorist organization. Even so he'll change his mind 500 times on the matter.

Posted by: CatchThirtyThr33 at October 11, 2017 09:22 PM (54jWf)

184 Posted by: GalosGann at October 11, 2017 09:00 PM (md1b/)

My take is that Donald Trump keeps his own counsel; he listens to everyone, takes in all information he can, and when he thinks the time is right he moves on *that* thing.

I think more people have to think first about what Donald Trump's goal is for this project - Make America Great Again - and how he expects to get to that goal in 4-8 years; and spend less time wailing about why their pet project is not going forward *nownownownownow*. I mean, if you want to get an idea of what he is doing. What would Make America Great Again?

Foreign Policy: What would MAGA? How do we get there? Now divide this down how you want, and start thinking about it.

Domestic Policy: What would MAGA? How do we get there? Now divide this down how you want, and start thinking about it.

I am starting to think seriously about this. What is the outline we want to put up on point (1) Foreign Policy and point (2) Domestic Policy? I do not mean bow-tie tassel loafer conservative club white papers - so lovely to discuss, display, polish, and yet like a turd worthless. I mean really.

Here is an example: over the past several years I have heard much talk about the F-35 program (this is not an endorsement of any side of that argument). What I have seen recently is that the program costs are declining because bugs are being fixed and more nations are ordering them (larger production run and super friendly powers like Australia). Is that normal program recoupment, or is that something else? How does that fit into Foreign Policy and Domestic Policy? Does that justify placing such a big bet on something revolutionary, or should we aim for something evolutionary instead? Is the sourcing of such a weapon spread out sufficiently - that is, are enough parts of it both in design and construction geographically dispersed for protection? What does that mean politically - should we move through policy to have certain industries disperse, but do we want to have that occur if the major drivers of those industries are of one political philosophy?

Obviously no one can do that outside of a game of Civilization, have that much control and direction outside of the Second World War industrial mobilization, but it does give some thought-food, I believe.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Football Season! Nincompoopery and Jackassery on Sale at The Outrage Outlet at October 11, 2017 09:45 PM (66/E/)

185 The trouble is the notion that Trump is the solution. He's part of it, sure, but he's not 100% reliable, and even if he were, it'll take a lot more than him.

Just enjoy the good stuff. When the Weinstein flap dies down, CNN will be back to the hourly panic. ChucknNancy will be back to whining.

Posted by: George LeS at October 11, 2017 09:47 PM (+TcCF)

186 test

Posted by: andycanuck at October 12, 2017 12:14 AM (mJ8mX)

187 No, my ampersands haven't returned yet.

Posted by: andycanuck at October 12, 2017 12:14 AM (mJ8mX)

188 The Iranian Republican Guards are openly a part of the Iranian military; they therefore do NOT, under ANY circumstances, meet ANY definition of a terrorist organisation.

Posted by: perturbed at October 12, 2017 06:10 AM (H/7ko)

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