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Jerry Jones: Either Stand for the Flag Or You'll Be Benched
Jemele Hill: If You Don't Like Jerry Jones' Rule, Punish the Cowboys' Advertisers
ESPN Suspends Jemele Hill

Jerry Jones has decided to put an end to the Cowboys' anthem/flag protests.

Benching players for national-anthem protests? Or will Jerry Jones go so far as to forfeit games? "If we are disrespecting the flag," the Dallas Cowboys owner said after yesterday’s loss to the Green Bay Packers, "then we won’t play, period."

In response -- once again deciding her job was political agitation on behalf of Civil Rights, Inc. -- Jemele Hill called for going after the Cowboys' advertisers.


In fact, she specifically called for boycotting the advertisers of a team which itself is a partner of her network ESPN, through their MNF contract with the NFL:


Maybe someone from the NFL or ESPN told her that someone working for ESPN, the NFL's broadcasting partner, should not be calling for an advertiser boycott against the Cowboys -- especially given that large chunks of America are one hot minute away from boycotting ESPN's advertisers -- because fourteen hours later Jamele Hill said she wasn't calling for a boycott of the Cowboys' advertisers when she explicitly called for a boycott of the Cowboys' advertisers:


Pretty neat-- going from "boycott his advertisers" to "I'm not advocating an NFL boycott." I guess she could mean she's not advocating an NFL boycott -- just a boycott of Dallas and maybe Miami too.

Well, these Social Justice Warriors sometimes go too far, even for ESJWPN, and they've announced that this non-talent loudmouth is now suspended for two weeks.


Speaking of, Colin Kaepernik reportedly said over the weekend that if the NFL gives him another chance, he'll stand for the anthem. But then he said that report was a lie. And the reporter now says it wasn't discussed.

As John Sexton remarks: This doesn't seem to make any sense.

Maybe Kaepernik just realized that the odds of him being signed were too low to justify a craven walk-back. Or maybe he realized that the odds the NFL will even survive his stunt are decreasing:

From the end of August to the end of September, the favorable ratings for the NFL have dropped from 57 percent to 44 percent, and it has the highest unfavorable rating -- 40 percent -- of any big sport, according to the Winston Group survey provided exclusively to Secrets.


Worse for football, which was already seeing lower TV ratings and empty stadium seats, the month of protests and complaints about them from President Trump drove core fans, men 34-54, away, the most significant indicator that NFL brass aren't in touch with their base.

The Winston Poll from the Washington-based Winston Group found that the attitude of those fans went from an August rating of 73 percent favorable and 19 percent unfavorable to 42 percent favorable and 47 percent unfavorable, a remarkable turn against the sport.

According to the poll analysis, "more critically for the NFL, the fall off in favorables occurred among important audiences. Among males, NFL favorables fell 23 percent, going from 68 percent to 45 percent. In looking at a more specific audience, males 34-54, NFL favorables fell 31 percent, going from 73 percent to 42 percent. Among this group the NFL has a surprising negative image, as it went from +54 percent in August to -5 percent in September.

Hit the link to see the favorability of the brand of other pro and college sports. Spoiler alert: They're a lot better than the NFL's.


Pro-Tip to corporations: Social Justice Warriors do not care about the health of your company. They only care about perverting your company into becoming a propaganda mill for their hard-left agitation.

And if your company should wither and die due to this transformation -- Good. In their mind, a business only justifies its existence to the precise extent it is perverted into being a leftist propaganda outfit.

If they kill the company outright, that's fine -- it's a lesson for the others, and it's just one more Capitalist Running Dog corporation to add to the bonfire.

Or, as Iowahawk said, the mission of the left is to:

1. Identify a respected institution.

2. Kill it.

3. Gut it.

4. Wear its carcass as a skin suit, while demanding respect.

They've done this successfully to Marvel comics, which is in the midst of plummeting sales and rapidly-declining brand value, so much so that retailers are in open revolt.

As I Love Comics points out, fan criticism doesn't matter to Marvel because individual comic book buyers are not Marvel's customers. Nope -- it's the comic book shops that are Marvel's customers. They buy the issues -- individual comic book readers buy the books from the shops. So comic book readers are the shops' customers, but the shops are Marvel's actual customers.

And the shops can't return comic books like 7-11 can return the covers of unsold magazines for a refund. When a shop buys a comic book, that sale is final -- and if it doesn't sell, that's a loss borne by the shop, not Marvel comics.

But now with the comic book shops now in revolt against Marvel (because Marvel is basically driving them towards bankruptcy), maybe the jig is up.

People seem to act as if this NFL boycott is a "distraction." I strongly disagree. The progressive coalition does not have a good message, or good overtly political spokesmen.

It only propagates its message by pressuring companies to make Social Justice Warrior hires until the company is dominated by Social Justice Warriors, perverting the company into a leftwing (unacknowledged) political PAC and also acting as enforcers for leftist orthodoxy -- remember in 2015 when the NFL warned Texas that it might never host another Super Bowl if it passed a law against municipalities mandating transgendered bathrooms?

The NFL sharpened its warning to Texas on Friday about a bathroom bill targeting transgender people, suggesting for the first time that the football-obsessed state could miss out on hosting another Super Bowl if the proposal is enacted.

"If a proposal that is discriminatory or inconsistent with our values were to become law there, that would certainly be a factor considered when thinking about awarding future events," league spokesman Brian McCarthy said in response to an email question about the Texas bill, which was filed last month.

An awful lot of political power in this country is wielded by corporations. You are far more likely to be punished by your employer for Non-Officially-Approved Speech than by the government.

We cannot sit idly by as the Social Justice Warriors identify, kill, gut, and wear the skin suit of one powerful institution after another without any kind of pushback whatsoever.

The NFL sought to economically coerce an entire state away from pursuing their own democratic determination of best public policy -- and yet there's an entire chorus of corporate #FakeNews conservatives that shrieks and cries if one suggests using a little bit of economic coercion against the NFL in return.

So... the NFL can use the tools of social and economic coercion against citizens, but citizens cannot use the same tools to strike back at it?

Why? Are we moving past Romney's "corporations are people too" to an even stronger restatement: "Corporations are the only people whose political and speech rights should be absolutely respected and free from any external economic or social coercion"?

Is that where Conservatism, Inc. is now? A party where gigantically powerful, taxpayer-subsidized corporations have untrammeled free speech rights and the rest of us do not?

No. Unacceptable. Unamerican.

If the NFL can bully and pressure individual citizens, then surely individual citizens are justified in applying their own bullying tactics towards the NFL.

Especially given that the left is (quite successfully) bullying the NFL in their direction -- and without any pushback from the right whatsoever, we're essentially gifting the left with the NFL.

Just as we gifted them academia, the bar, the courts, and the media.

How's that workin' out for us?

Bullying a bully isn't bullying -- it's just kicking a would-be bully in the ass for a while until he stops bullying.

The left has decided that it can't win the political war on the current battlefield, so it has made it its mission to shape the battlefield by taking over the main transmission stations of permissible public opinion and using the power of those corporations to propagandize and bully citizens into compliance.

That is the war. Some on the Not-So-SmartSet right may proudly pat themselves on the back for avoiding that war, denying the existence of that war, and even white knighting corporations actively fighting that war on behalf of the left -- but that is the actual war.

And, as to any conservative too polite to fight the actual war -- then what is the point of you, and whose side are you actually on?

Posted by: Ace at 06:09 PM




Comments

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1 Conservatives who can't bother to be bothered can seek "gainful" employment with National R*tards Online....

Posted by: sven10077 at October 09, 2017 06:11 PM (SzZnW)

2 Fuck off Jerry Jones. You took a knee two weeks ago.

Posted by: redenzo at October 09, 2017 06:11 PM (5wSNN)

3 Is everyone still reading the content?

Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 09, 2017 06:11 PM (Lqy/e)

4 Suspended. She should be fired.

ESPN and the NFL are hemorrhaging money. Someone in accounting finally got through to management. Kinda.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at October 09, 2017 06:12 PM (eLo9G)

5

What BURDEN is on the players??

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at October 09, 2017 06:12 PM (Dtao3)

6 Man, I never get suspended.

Posted by: Weasel at October 09, 2017 06:13 PM (Sfs6o)

7 Kaepernick can go back to baseball. Cubs still own him. He can go play lf

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 09, 2017 06:15 PM (oiItG)

8 then what is the point of you, and whose side are you actually on?

The bar at the swank parties is the answer to both questions.

Posted by: DaveA at October 09, 2017 06:15 PM (FhXTo)

9 Hey Jemele,

Wash yourself with Dove, and we'll consider letting you back on the show.

Posted by: ESPN at October 09, 2017 06:16 PM (tbOMB)

10 This election of Trump has pushed "Gamergate" into wide release.

Harveywood hardest hit

Posted by: geoffb at October 09, 2017 06:16 PM (zOpu5)

11 Fat guy in RF stands >>> Schwarber

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 09, 2017 06:16 PM (oiItG)

12 Does anyone, even at ESPN, believe that viewers tune in because they value Jamele's commentary? Anyone? She adds as much value as dandruff. If they don't dump her for good at the end of the suspension, we'll know ESPN hates their viewers for sure.

Posted by: gp at October 09, 2017 06:17 PM (mk9aG)

13 I would ALSO like to note that I never get invited to snort coke off hooker's asses at parties.

Posted by: Weasel at October 09, 2017 06:17 PM (Sfs6o)

14 First they came for our pronouns
But then I asked, "who is they?"

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 09, 2017 06:17 PM (oiItG)

15 I have to believe that the NFL really regrets its inability to get free of the tar baby. They want to let go of this controversy, but they can't. They don't know what the way out is.

Posted by: mnw at October 09, 2017 06:18 PM (IF7/S)

16 I am pretty sure I have never tuned in to hear this woman's commentary..and what is Jerry Jones going on about now? He took a knee with this stupid players a couple of weeks ago. Is he senile?

Posted by: IC at October 09, 2017 06:18 PM (a0IVu)

17 Speaking of comics, have you seen the Alt Hero project has been funded? Comic vet Chuck Dixon will be writing volumes 7, 8 and 9. Has potential: https://freestartr.com/project/althero/

Posted by: Millenial curious at October 09, 2017 06:18 PM (OqPqQ)

18 I don't see how boycotting an advertiser will work because you don't think there was enough kneeling when people who don't like the kneeling are boycotting too.

The obvious solution is to terminate the cause of the kerfluffel with extreme prejudice.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 09, 2017 06:19 PM (IWbvi)

19 What BURDEN is on the players??

--

The burden of doing what your boss tells you to do, like everyone else. But she's too busy using victim language to notice.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at October 09, 2017 06:19 PM (mQ0Mc)

20 Too late for the NFL to try walking it back.
(at least with me)

Once unmasked, how can anyone believe anything they say ?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/7 at October 09, 2017 06:19 PM (z3Hmr)

21 I'm not advocating that thing I did in your mouth but I did that thing in your mouth.

Posted by: Bosk at October 09, 2017 06:19 PM (fjMEv)

22 ESPN knew exactly what they were getting when they hired Hill.

In 2008, she wrote about the Celtics ""Rooting for the Celtics is like saying Hitler was a victim."

She was fired.

Now, she's up to it again, except she's only suspended.

She needs to be fired. She can join Kaepernick.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at October 09, 2017 06:19 PM (eLo9G)

23 Coke off a hooker's ass is something you have to take.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 09, 2017 06:19 PM (oiItG)

24 Pretty neat-- going from "boycott his advertisers" to "I'm not advocating an NFL boycott." I guess she could mean she's not advocating an NFL boycott

Actually, she tweeted that "I'm not advocating a NFL boycott..."

Yeah, it sounds awkward but it's not as bad as the first draft, where she typed that she's not advocating "uh" NFL boycott.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 09, 2017 06:20 PM (Mouru)

25 Jemele presented a clear and present danger...to their bottom line. Never cross the revenue streams.

Posted by: huerfano at October 09, 2017 06:20 PM (Dp2K8)

26 Jerry Jones should be suspended.

With piano wire.

Slowly.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 09, 2017 06:20 PM (nUkMr)

27 I said it last night. Fuck Jerry Jones. That asshole already disrespected the flag along with his players with his stupid kneeling stunt.

He wants to have it both ways.

Posted by: buzzion at October 09, 2017 06:20 PM (z/Ubi)

28 16 Posted by: IC at October 09, 2017 06:18 PM (a0IVu)

Jethro Jones took a knee "for team unity" when he foolishly thought the public was "on BLM's side."

He misread, willfully, his audience.

He now wants this to go away.

What has gone away is a lot of people's reflexive perceived NEED for football at the pro level.....


Posted by: sven10077 at October 09, 2017 06:20 PM (SzZnW)

29 Consequentialism Makes Tools of Us, All.

Posted by: iKant at October 09, 2017 06:21 PM (tNhOB)

30 Jerry Jones has decided to put an end to the Cowboys' anthem/flag protests.

After he has already participated in it.

Thanks, but no thanks. Ciao, douche.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 09, 2017 06:21 PM (8gDQu)

31 "ESPN and the NFL are hemorrhaging money."

Not fast enough for me.

Posted by: navybrat at October 09, 2017 06:21 PM (w7KSn)

32 I only know two things for sure and one of them is boobs.

Posted by: Clay Travis at October 09, 2017 06:21 PM (SkuXa)

33 26 Jerry Jones has decided to put an end to the Cowboys' anthem/flag protests.


So the focus group results are in.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 09, 2017 06:20 PM (SRKgf)

Exactly.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 09, 2017 06:21 PM (Ri/rl)

34 There's not much more to say about this stupid, silly person.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 09, 2017 06:22 PM (oVJmc)

35 sven

I agree.

Posted by: mnw at October 09, 2017 06:22 PM (IF7/S)

36 If defending the flag and the country isn't your first instinct, well then fuck you.

Posted by: Weasel at October 09, 2017 06:22 PM (Sfs6o)

37 Replacing Jemele Hill with Sonobi would be an upgrade.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 09, 2017 06:22 PM (y7DUB)

38 "Kaepernik just realized that the odds of him being signed were too low to justify a craven walk-back." No, he just realized it makes him look like an a-hole cubed, instead of just a mere a-hole. "Remember that highly principled stand I took, pissing on the flag in front of millions of people? Yeah, f&ck that. I need to get paid."

Posted by: gp at October 09, 2017 06:22 PM (mk9aG)

39 That's right, I am a doctor!

Posted by: Dr. Amy Bizzshup at October 09, 2017 06:23 PM (RDd1I)

40 If I don't kowtow to your demands for special, unprecedented privileges then I have "targeted" you, according to the left.

As in, if I don't want hairy men in a little girl's bathroom I have targeted poor Transpeople of Pussyhat.

Fek off.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at October 09, 2017 06:23 PM (0tN2W)

41 If I hear one more idiot say that the players have a first amendment right to protest the flag I'm gonna cut a bitch.

How can such a simple concept be so badly misunderstood by so many people who call themselves intelligent?

Posted by: JackStraw at October 09, 2017 06:23 PM (/tuJf)

42 I haven't watched the NFL since they got rid of the astroturf.

Posted by: Harvey Weinstein at October 09, 2017 06:23 PM (tNhOB)

43 Jerry Jones and the Cowboys have already established the fact that they are America-haters' Team.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 09, 2017 06:23 PM (8gDQu)

44 Colon Kaspernasky probably realizes that the analytic value of run first QBs is returning to historical mean.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 09, 2017 06:24 PM (SzZnW)

45 Too late Jerruh...you should have thought of that before you went out on the field on MNF and smugly bent the knee with the rest of the posers............... Tom Landry weeps.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at October 09, 2017 06:24 PM (1YEOU)

46 If there is any doubt that ESPN is worried about ratings and and advertisers, this week (and for at least a couple more) they will be showing the MNF game on both ESPN and ESPN2. Tonight you can watch the Vikings and the Bears in English on ESPN and Spanish on ESPN2. I'll add that I noticed this on my TV listings a couple days ago.

Posted by: Vendette at October 09, 2017 06:24 PM (T9km8)

47 Corporate Conseravtives can FOADIADF.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 09, 2017 06:24 PM (XFue2)

48 We must protect the women. We cannot have NFL players who abuse women playing in our league. They will be suspended for their actions whether convicted of a crime or not.

We must protect the pretend women. Men must be allowed to use women's restrooms at all stadiums or you will not be allowed to host the Super Bowl until you submit.

Posted by: Roger Goodell at October 09, 2017 06:24 PM (Dp2K8)

49 Jerry Jones:

Go to hell. You had your chance to kill this three weeks ago, but you chose to be cute instead.

Go to hell.

I may consider coming back when you and your ilk BEG me to come back. Full apology required.

Posted by: One at October 09, 2017 06:24 PM (RYASC)

50 If you want to get me my job back, target ESPN executives at their homes! And their families, too!

Posted by: Jemele Hill at October 09, 2017 06:24 PM (oVJmc)

51 How can such a simple concept be so badly misunderstood by so many people who call themselves intelligent?
________________

I call myself black but dat don't make it tru yo!

Posted by: Sean King at October 09, 2017 06:24 PM (SkuXa)

52 Maybe the ongoing Jemele Hill fiasco will serve as a warning to other companies: be real careful about partnering up with the SJW left.

Posted by: mnw at October 09, 2017 06:24 PM (IF7/S)

53 The NFL must be made to suffer. Goodell should be resigning in shame by the end of the season. But that will only happen if TV ad buybacks and other economic blowback occurs.

Otherwise it's silly time. It is nice however, that Jerry Jones, finally woke and figured out Americas' Team doesn't play this flag diss'n bullshit.

Posted by: Witwickian Sage at October 09, 2017 06:24 PM (RDd1I)

54
The L.A. Coliseum was half empty yesterday when the Seahawks were in town to play the Rams

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at October 09, 2017 06:25 PM (lKyWE)

55 If I hear one more idiot say that the players have a first amendment right to protest the flag I'm gonna cut a bitch.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 09, 2017 06:23 PM (/tuJf)


I'm with you.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 09, 2017 06:25 PM (8gDQu)

56 Jerry Jones has decided to put an end to the Cowboys' anthem/flag protests.


So the focus group results are in.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 09, 2017 06:20 PM (SRKgf)




I'm more interested in the ficus group.


Wa-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-ay more interested.

*wink*

Posted by: Harvey Weinstein at October 09, 2017 06:25 PM (NyJwR)

57 >>The L.A. Coliseum was half empty yesterday when the Seahawks were in town to play the Rams


You can't sell Football in LA.

Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 06:26 PM (tNhOB)

58 I may consider coming back when you and your ilk BEG me to come back. Full apology required.
Posted by: One at October 09, 2017 06:24 PM (RYASC)



Man, you go cheap. In Braveheart Lachland got hereditary estates and title.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 09, 2017 06:26 PM (Mouru)

59 49 Jerry Jones:

Go to hell. You had your chance to kill this three weeks ago, but you chose to be cute instead.

****

it's true, 3 weeks ago, it looked like (to braindead dummies in the NFL) that the whole trump v the nfl thing would work out in the NFL's favor...because...uh...no reason really.

but now, it looks like the bullied owners who were forced to go along with this shit grew back some ballzack.

Posted by: Witwickian Sage at October 09, 2017 06:26 PM (RDd1I)

60 Just realized Schwarber was near the Bartman seat when he muffed it

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 09, 2017 06:26 PM (oiItG)

61 >>>I am pretty sure I have never tuned in to hear this woman's commentary..and what is Jerry Jones going on about now? He took a knee with this stupid players a couple of weeks ago. Is he senile?

technically he did a protest, probably just to appease his SJW players and execs (and maybe some sponsors) BEFORE the national anthem.

Yeah it was a bullshit split-the-baby move that didn't work (as in, it satisfied no one), but he didn't actually kneel for the anthem.

Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 06:26 PM (8rNrN)

62 En fuego!

Posted by: That Guy who shouts "En fuego!" at October 09, 2017 06:26 PM (ctuyM)

63 hmm, MLB.com is saying Max Scehezuer has a no-hitter which is odd since he walked a guy.

Posted by: Witwickian Sage at October 09, 2017 06:26 PM (RDd1I)

64 >>Maybe Kaepernik just realized that the odds of him being signed were too low to justify a craven walk-back. Or maybe he realized that the odds the NFL will even survive his stunt are decreasing:

Maybe. Or maybe his girlfriend who started this crap and who seems to have Svengali powers over Kaepernick threatened to cut off his conjugal visits.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 09, 2017 06:26 PM (/tuJf)

65 53 Posted by: Witwickian Sage at October 09, 2017 06:24 PM (RDd1I)

Yup, it is a civic virtue to punish the NFL because in its decline it will be a cautionary tale for other "progressively minded" businesses in a way Target could not be.

The NFL did me the favor a decade ago of starting to morph into a suckass, weak, homogenized league.

Makes virtue easier.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 09, 2017 06:27 PM (SzZnW)

66
You can't sell Football in LA.
Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 06:26 PM (tNhOB)


Don't tell USC

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at October 09, 2017 06:27 PM (lKyWE)

67 Can I point out something that is generally missing from the current NFL suicide?

The current state of play in the NFL SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKS.

I know of football. Generic, risk averse play-calling. Shabby preparation and those Thursday night games were the final nail in the overexposure spiral. Nitwit commissioner and cottage cheese thighs gold medal contender Roger Goodell rode herd on all of this. Fuck that guy in particular.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 09, 2017 06:27 PM (XrCyE)

68 >>>>Why? Are we moving past Romney's "corporations are people too" to an even stronger restatement: "Corporations are the only people whose political and speech rights should be absolutely respected and free from any external economic or social coercion"?
.
.
.Sort of like OCP in the Robo Cop Movies is where I think we are heading with this $hit.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 09, 2017 06:27 PM (+Dllb)

69 damn max is at 100 pitches and 7 SO's and no major organs of his have teleported into his Lexus at IAD.

Posted by: Witwickian Sage at October 09, 2017 06:28 PM (RDd1I)

70 How can such a simple concept be so badly misunderstood by so many people who call themselves intelligent?


Dunning-Kruger

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 09, 2017 06:28 PM (tbOMB)

71 Even if the NFL owners got together and shit canned Goodell, they're just as much a part of this silliness as he is. Fuck'em. Let it go bankrupt.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at October 09, 2017 06:28 PM (1YEOU)

72 41
How can such a simple concept be so badly misunderstood by so many people who call themselves intelligent?
Posted by: JackStraw at October 09, 2017 06:23 PM (/tuJf)


I think I spotted the problem.

Posted by: rickl at October 09, 2017 06:28 PM (sdi6R)

73 hmm, MLB.com is saying Max Scehezuer has a no-hitter which is odd since he walked a guy.

Posted by: Witwickian Sage at October 09, 2017 06:26 PM (RDd1I)


Then Scherzer still has a no-hitter. You can walk people but as long as no one gets to first base by hitting the ball it's a no-hitter. By walking someone he doesn't have a perfect game going.

Posted by: Vendette at October 09, 2017 06:29 PM (T9km8)

74 We've switched to watching NASCAR on Sundays. I enjoyed it a lot more than I expected to.

Posted by: DangerGirl temporarily lost her SanityProd (tm) at October 09, 2017 06:29 PM (/o9Qk)

75 >>> If I hear one more idiot say that the players have a first amendment right to protest the flag I'm gonna cut a bitch.

They do, but not during work hours, and not during an official televised corporate event, and not when it's explicitly against the written-down-and-everything-rules of that corporation.

They can protest the flag all they want on their own time.

But if the league holds them to the rulebook, they don't really have rights during the workday.

I trust no one would feel they were on sturdy ground, and likely to retain employment, if in 2014 they stood in their company's hallways during the work day and handed out "Obama is a Kenyan Soviet Agent" pamphlets to coworkers and visiting customers...?

Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 06:29 PM (8rNrN)

76 ...She adds as much value as dandruff....



Aw, c'mon, man.

I'm like the body's confetti!


What's that bitch bringin' to the party?

Posted by: Dandruff at October 09, 2017 06:29 PM (NyJwR)

77 USFL comes back under President Trump.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 09, 2017 06:29 PM (oiItG)

78 The current state of play in the NFL SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKS.

(-----------------------)


first, Zobirst doubled, no more no hitter.

second. The nfl has replaced offense with a series of advancing the ball via unavoidable defensive penalties. It's absurd and unfair and makes fans quite irate.

Posted by: Witwickian Sage at October 09, 2017 06:29 PM (RDd1I)

79 Zobrist breaks up the no hitter.

Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 06:29 PM (tNhOB)

80 As long long as the fake Republican from Houston Joe Straus
controls legislation that gets passed or not -the bathroom bill is not going to become a law. Toyota also said it would not be building a big plant north of Dallas if the bathroom bill becomes law.

Posted by: Glenn John at October 09, 2017 06:29 PM (LilNs)

81 It's difficult for me to get the vision of him, smirking, locked arm & arm with his players.

And even though he said it's changed, that same night 2 of his players did the Black Panther salute. When asked about it, he said he didn't see it.

Whatever.

This is too convenient. Nothing sincere about his statement, IMO. If the fans come back, then something else will happen to disrespect the country/flag...mark my words.

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla aka Pandora's hope jar at October 09, 2017 06:29 PM (6CZio)

82 Yeah it was a bullshit split-the-baby move that didn't work (as in, it satisfied no one), but he didn't actually kneel for the anthem.

Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 06:26 PM (8rNrN)


Close enough. This isn't a court of law and we're not idiots.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 09, 2017 06:29 PM (8gDQu)

83 67 Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 09, 2017 06:27 PM (XrCyE)

Yup, "the sven challenge" I posted on this back in 2008 when the NFL went full ret*rd for Obama then....

the game just sucks, quality of play and offensive efficiency have gone down not up the last 20 years.

Watch a 1978-1998 game and then watch a youtube of a modern game.

The play was better then for a multitude of reasons, one of which is current player character(or lack thereof)

Posted by: sven10077 at October 09, 2017 06:30 PM (SzZnW)

84 Yeah it was a bullshit split-the-baby move that didn't work (as in, it
satisfied no one), but he didn't actually kneel for the anthem.


He didn't immediately condemn the hijacking of the Anthem and the game by his players, and that's all anyone now remembers. The time for OTOH / OTOH games is over, and he missed the boat.

Posted by: pep at October 09, 2017 06:30 PM (LAe3v)

85 Luv the Left saying Pence leaving the game was a "stunt."

Nitwits don't seem to remember that he has a son serving in the Marines as a pilot.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 09, 2017 06:30 PM (PY9jH)

86 No-hitter issue solved!

Posted by: Vendette at October 09, 2017 06:30 PM (T9km8)

87 Then Scherzer still has a no-hitter. You can walk people but as long as no one gets to first base by hitting the ball it's a no-hitter. By walking someone he doesn't have a perfect game going.

*********

that seems...odd. But hey, MLB is a game with many traditions.

Posted by: Witwickian Sage at October 09, 2017 06:30 PM (RDd1I)

88 Probably already mentioned, but: Does this not prove how Trump's NFL tweets were very strategic, and not at all the result of him randomly popping off on twitter ohmygodsomeonemakehimstoptweeeeeeting?!

Trump and now Pence - theyget it. They listened to Breitbart, they are saying FU, WAR!

Posted by: Lizzy at October 09, 2017 06:30 PM (W+vEI)

89 I love twitter just for the fact that it exposes the idiocy of certain people. Moar please.

Posted by: Bosk at October 09, 2017 06:30 PM (fjMEv)

90 81 - ...to get the vision out of my head.

Lost about half a sentence there.

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla aka Pandora's hope jar at October 09, 2017 06:31 PM (6CZio)

91 14,
"First they came for our pronouns"



Obama hoarded all the "I"s which is why Streep was reduced to saying "Not everybody knew" instead of "I didn't know."

Posted by: geoffb at October 09, 2017 06:31 PM (zOpu5)

92 You can't sell Football in LA.
Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 06:26 PM (tNhOB)


Don't tell USC

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at October 09, 2017 06:27 PM



Hee...hee...hee...

Posted by: Washington State U. at October 09, 2017 06:31 PM (y+BJh)

93 Close enough. This isn't a court of law and we're not idiots.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 09, 2017 06:29 PM (8gDQu)



This isn't a court of law, anyway.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 09, 2017 06:31 PM (Mouru)

94 I want to get in on this kill it, gut it, wear it's pelt business.

Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at October 09, 2017 06:31 PM (hMwEB)

95 Posted by: sven10077 at October 09, 2017 06:11 PM (SzZnW)

If not caring paid, I'd start not caring better than anyone else.

Posted by: tsrblke (new tablet) at October 09, 2017 06:32 PM (UJvJk)

96 State of play sucks? You're welcome! Can't have the whiny little bitches practicing too much.

Posted by: NFLPA at October 09, 2017 06:32 PM (SkuXa)

97 If I hear one more idiot say that the players have a first amendment right to protest the flag I'm gonna cut a bitch.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 09, 2017 06:23 PM (/tuJf)

I'm with you.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 09, 2017 06:25 PM (8gDQu)
-----------

I'm in, and I'm bringing my shiv.

Posted by: bluebell at October 09, 2017 06:32 PM (UoSKV)

98 Google, Youtube, Facebook, too.

You want Free Enterprise, we want Freedom of Speech.

Trade ya.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at October 09, 2017 06:32 PM (XTU71)

99 They can protest the flag all they want on their own time.

Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 06:29 PM (8rNrN)


Actually, with the contracts they've signed they probably couldn't do that, either, without losing their jobs (if there were any owner with balls who actually liked this country).

There are lots of perfectly legal things that the players sign away their right to say or do off the field.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 09, 2017 06:32 PM (8gDQu)

100 Say, we're looking for some good investment opportunities. The NFL sounds like a solid bet. Thoughts?

Posted by: Seears management at October 09, 2017 06:32 PM (LAe3v)

101 First they came for our pronouns
But then I asked, "who is they?"
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 09, 2017 06:17 PM (oiItG)

They is us, we are the foremost authority on everything and we mean everything.
When someone says, "they say", the They is us

Posted by: The They Institute, Stockholm Sweden at October 09, 2017 06:32 PM (6In9t)

102 mmm...ok Nats' bullpen.

Posted by: Witwickian Sage at October 09, 2017 06:32 PM (RDd1I)

103 No matter how good she looks, some other man is tired of her shit.

ESPN is tired of her shit.

Posted by: ALH at October 09, 2017 06:32 PM (tlC78)

104 >>I want to get in on this kill it, gut it, wear it's pelt business.



You should sign up for one of Ace's Hobo Safaris.

Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 06:32 PM (tNhOB)

105 >>They do, but not during work hours, and not during an official televised corporate event, and not when it's explicitly against the written-down-and-everything-rules of that corporation.

Well, yeah. That's my point.

I heard one liberal say they have to do this during the game because if they did it on their own time nobody would listen.

Uh, yeah. Nobody would care because it's a totally fake, made up issue. You'd think athletes who live and die by stats would take some time to actually educate themselves on the numbers if they really cared about this.

Spoiler, they don't.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 09, 2017 06:32 PM (/tuJf)

106 One thing that may keep people who have turned off their TVs because of the protests away from the NFL for good is that there are too many boring games. Great, 3-0 halfway through the 2nd quarter! Makes me want to keep watching!

Posted by: Vendette at October 09, 2017 06:32 PM (T9km8)

107 No matter how good she looks, some other man is tired of her shit.

ESPN is tired of her shit.

Posted by: ALH at October 09, 2017 06:32 PM (tlC7


Not tired enough.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 09, 2017 06:33 PM (PY9jH)

108 I'm in, and I'm bringing my shiv.





Posted by: bluebell



Shotgun.

Posted by: pep at October 09, 2017 06:33 PM (LAe3v)

109 Hey look at me I don't know how any of this stuff works.

Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at October 09, 2017 06:33 PM (nQHw/)

110 >>Luv the Left saying Pence leaving the game was a "stunt."

Nitwits don't seem to remember that he has a son serving in the Marines as a pilot.



Yup.
Also - yes it was a stunt, why is that a problem?
Politicians aren't supposed to do stunts? That's a new one!

Posted by: Lizzy at October 09, 2017 06:33 PM (W+vEI)

111 Football and Hollywood, Hollywood and football. Perfect distractions from the ruin.

Posted by: What's a mata for you? at October 09, 2017 06:34 PM (UdKB7)

112 >>>Well, yeah. That's my point.


I know, was just joining in with some specific agreement.

Being an important second-tier blogger as I am, I can't just half-ass it with partial thoughts the way you Civilians do.

Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 06:34 PM (8rNrN)

113 Conservatism by definition is a defensive position and philosophy

It cannot win in any sphere. It simply doesn't have the tools.

Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at October 09, 2017 06:34 PM (z2W2E)

114 I'm in, and I'm bringing my shiv.

Posted by: bluebell at October 09, 2017 06:32 PM (UoSKV)

==

uh oh

and here I thought Fenelon was the only one I had to keep an eye on...

Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at October 09, 2017 06:34 PM (hMwEB)

115 The NFL is leveraged to the hilt too. How many sponsors are the official condom ofthe NFL? How many suites are filled with people who are only going because the normals pack the place so it feels cool.

Posted by: Witwickian Sage at October 09, 2017 06:34 PM (RDd1I)

116 Jerry Jones has decided to put an end to the Cowboys' anthem/flag protests.
---
I prefer the term "anthem tantrums".

Posted by: Axeman at October 09, 2017 06:34 PM (2mC6G)

117 You would think that folks would learn about messing with Trump.

Don't spit into the wind.

Posted by: ALH at October 09, 2017 06:34 PM (tlC78)

118 >>Politicians aren't supposed to do stunts? That's a new one!

Remember when Obama had those fake doctors surrounding him when he was trying to ram Obamacare down our throats?

Posted by: JackStraw at October 09, 2017 06:34 PM (/tuJf)

119 SJWs and the Media just don't get it when it comes to sports in the US. An hour ago on the Houston Texans flagship radio station, 610 AM (owned by CBS), the day after a Texans game, when many fans are tuned-in for game analysis, the station ran a Colbert Show ad with sound bites of him insulting PDT. Insane.

Posted by: Gref at October 09, 2017 06:35 PM (AMIL/)

120 Dear NBC:

Hear me out--Megyn Kelly AND Jemele Hill on Today. TOGETHER!!!!

Don't tell me, you're not thinking it, you geniuses. And you should probably pay Jemele more because if you don't it will be racist.

Trust me.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 09, 2017 06:35 PM (XrCyE)

121 Scherzer looks like he's gonna kill someone

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 09, 2017 06:35 PM (oiItG)

122 I trust no one would feel they were on sturdy ground, and likely to retain employment, if in 2014 they stood in their company's hallways during the work day and handed out "Obama is a Kenyan Soviet Agent" pamphlets to coworkers and visiting customers...?
Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 06:29 PM (8rNrN)

So this is why my college professors hated me.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 09, 2017 06:35 PM (XFue2)

123 not only was Pence doing a stunt, he was seizing upon something and overreached.

Posted by: Witwickian Sage at October 09, 2017 06:35 PM (RDd1I)

124
When you have a superior product customers stay with you.

Posted by: Oldsmobile at October 09, 2017 06:35 PM (EgwCt)

125 77
USFL comes back under President Trump.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie

LOL, ironically, Trump bought the New Jersey Generals to force the NFL to give him a franchise. Now he's going to force the NFL to do his bidding. Love it.

Posted by: SFGoth at October 09, 2017 06:35 PM (dZ756)

126 >>>Actually, with the contracts they've signed they probably couldn't do that, either, without losing their jobs (if there were any owner with balls who actually liked this country).

There are lots of perfectly legal things that the players sign away their right to say or do off the field.

...

probably but I'm not a fan of corporations extending their reach into one's private life and personal hours. Take that line of reasoning too far, and you'll soon start having your employers threaten to fire you for commenting here.

Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 06:35 PM (8rNrN)

127 I only know two things for sure and one of them is boobs.

Posted by: Clay Travis at October 09, 2017 06:21 PM (SkuXa)
..............

That's two things. Wait a minute. There's not supposed to be any Math.

Posted by: wth at October 09, 2017 06:35 PM (HgMAr)

128 This Roger Goodell fella is about as useless as they come.

I have a sneaking suspicion that the commish's comfort zone is nutting into his office flora rather than enforcing the rules of the association.

Posted by: Fritz at October 09, 2017 06:35 PM (3ubcI)

129 Hey Jones:

too late. You had your chance to make this right and become America's team AND YOU BLEW IT

https://youtu.be/hqPRwq3QJsk

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 09, 2017 06:35 PM (39g3+)

130 113 Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at October 09, 2017 06:34 PM (z2W2E)

I am just about done with "conservative" I am digging "sane libertarian."

Posted by: sven10077 at October 09, 2017 06:35 PM (SzZnW)

131 Jerry Jones has decided to put an end to the Cowboys' anthem/flag protests damage to his bottom line.

Posted by: pep at October 09, 2017 06:36 PM (LAe3v)

132 "Jemele Hill called for going after the Cowboys' advertisers."

Attack the source of income that your employer relies on to continue issuing you a paycheck. Of course. Maybe you ought to apply your urban line-jumping skills to the one that passes out brain cells, idiot.

Posted by: Monty James at October 09, 2017 06:36 PM (gKOMX)

133 The hell with these shmucks.

Posted by: Insomniac - The Left Hates You and Wants You to Die at October 09, 2017 06:36 PM (NWiLs)

134 >>Being an important second-tier blogger as I am, I can't just half-ass it with partial thoughts the way you Civilians do.



Award Winning, Second-Tier Blogger.

That's why you needed the shelf.

Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 06:36 PM (cl7bp)

135 re the earlier convo about Kate Upton: I wonder if she should draw "Ken Giles" you know, back there.

Justin Verlander wasn't getting the job done quite like Giles (except for that last homer, which was more infield error).

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 09, 2017 06:36 PM (6FqZa)

136 Hey guys did you know my kid had heart surgery?

Posted by: Jimmy Kimmel at October 09, 2017 06:36 PM (SkuXa)

137 Is the entire Left all "a day late and a dollar short" in the culture war lately? Did they misplace their OODA loop?

Posted by: geoffb at October 09, 2017 06:36 PM (zOpu5)

138 Eh, ESPN showed their ass again. It's never a pretty sight. Not feeling too sorry for Ms Hill, but it's pretty fucking hypocritical of ESPN.

Really wondering about these fires.

Panti-fa promised something big today, didn't they?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at October 09, 2017 06:36 PM (SAlss)

139 Then Scherzer still has a no-hitter. You can walk
people but as long as no one gets to first base by hitting the ball it's
a no-hitter. By walking someone he doesn't have a perfect game going.



*********



that seems...odd. But hey, MLB is a game with many traditions.

Posted by: Witwickian Sage at October 09, 2017 06:30 PM (RDd1I)


As an example, Jordan Zimmermann pitched a no-hitter for the Nationals during the last game of the regular season in 2014. Two Marlins players got on base: One from a walk and another from a wild pitch on strike 3.

Posted by: Vendette at October 09, 2017 06:36 PM (T9km8)

140 Too late Jerry.

(*! )

Posted by: Judi Dench's Tattooed Ass at October 09, 2017 06:37 PM (60v4h)

141 I was amused at how Diversity and Comics says that Brie Larson's picture makes her loook like an aspiring TA with smelly hair.

Hat Tip:

I watched the Island Of the Gorilla KNnown as Godzilla (sp?)...and she grew boobies and I now find her much more attractive and interesting than i did in her other roles.

But yeah, her twitter avatar looks like she's the kind of girl whose hair smells.

Posted by: Witwickian Sage at October 09, 2017 06:37 PM (RDd1I)

142 This Roger Goodell fella is about as useless as they come.

I know, right?

Posted by: T**s on a bull at October 09, 2017 06:37 PM (LAe3v)

143 fuck, it's tied!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Witwickian Sage at October 09, 2017 06:37 PM (RDd1I)

144 I'd say "Carlos Beltran" except that half the girls in Houston have already tattooed THAT.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 09, 2017 06:37 PM (6FqZa)

145 not only was Pence doing a stunt, he was seizing upon something and overreached.
Posted by: Witwickian Sage at October 09, 2017 06:35 PM (RDd1I)


This is a joke right? The players could have stopped him cold by doing something like linking arms instead.
They didn't. Many will like what he did. Lots of people. The only people who will hate it will be the people who support the protests already.

Posted by: tsrblke (new tablet) at October 09, 2017 06:37 PM (UJvJk)

146 118
>>Politicians aren't supposed to do stunts? That's a new one!



Remember when Obama had those fake doctors surrounding him when he was trying to ram Obamacare down our throats?

Posted by: JackStraw at October 09, 2017 06:34 PM (/tuJf)

Also not a stunt: buzzing NY city with a jumbo jet for a photo op just mere years after 9/11.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 09, 2017 06:37 PM (tbOMB)

147 Also, I second the statement of fuck Jerry Jones. He tried to play all sides of the fence and got busted. His organization got some nasty letters from this household that night.



Not to mention, many nonpolitical people at work (manufacturing plant in the DFW area) noticed and tuned out.


Big mistake, Jerry. Big mistake. Huge.

Posted by: DangerGirl temporarily lost her SanityProd (tm) at October 09, 2017 06:38 PM (/o9Qk)

148 Panti-fa promised something big today, didn't they?
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at October 09, 2017 06:36 PM (SAlss)

The game was called because of rain.

Posted by: ALH at October 09, 2017 06:38 PM (tlC78)

149 Jerry has been down this road with a couple of local sportscasters who forgot they worked for him in the 90's.

Dale Hansen and Brad Sham started talking shit during the Cowboy's radio broadcast and he canned them. Sham ate shit and came crawling back and Dale has been a Cowboy hater on the local ABC affiliate ever since.

Posted by: x at October 09, 2017 06:38 PM (nFwvY)

150
The secret to longevity of a corporation is keeping up with technology. The NFL has nothing to worry about. They were on Twitter last season. That's all that's required.

Posted by: Polaroid Corporation at October 09, 2017 06:38 PM (EgwCt)

151 >>The L.A. Coliseum was half empty yesterday when the Seahawks were in town to play the Rams

You can't sell Football in LA.

Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 06:26 PM (tNhOB)
..............

But you can sell Futbol!

Posted by: L Aliens at October 09, 2017 06:38 PM (HgMAr)

152 Meanwhile, in Afghanistan, Iraq, and other shit holes around the world, our troops are watching this kneeling and arm-linking. I'm sure if they were allowed, they'd love to tweet what they think about the spoiled millionaires.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 09, 2017 06:39 PM (PY9jH)

153 57 >>The L.A. Coliseum was half empty yesterday when the Seahawks were in town to play the Rams


You can't sell Professional Football in LA.

Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 06:26 PM (tNhOB)



FTFY. Don't college games fill that place on a regular basis?

Posted by: buzzion at October 09, 2017 06:39 PM (z/Ubi)

154 Yo, alla us New Yawk Yankee H8ers-
We be Indian's fans now!

Posted by: End the Evil Empire at October 09, 2017 06:39 PM (Nug+W)

155 This season is done as far as I am concerned.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 09, 2017 06:39 PM (60v4h)

156 of course, Jerry Jones was doing what corporations supposed to do, gauge the consumer's mood.

Posted by: Witwickian Sage at October 09, 2017 06:39 PM (RDd1I)

157 148 Panti-fa promised something big today, didn't they?
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at October 09, 2017 06:36 PM (SAlss)

The game was called because of rain.
Posted by: ALH at October 09, 2017 06:38 PM (tlC7

That and Steve Paddock, but mostly Steve Paddock.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 09, 2017 06:40 PM (XFue2)

158 Mrs Old Blue and her friends bowled the CO State Senior Women's tournament this last weekend. I didn't bring the subject up, but a lot of the husbands that accompanied their wives had very disparaging things to say about the NFL. Most have quit watching, me among them. And there were a lot.

Posted by: Old Blue at October 09, 2017 06:40 PM (gEvQ8)

159 >>Remember when Obama had those fake doctors surrounding him when he was trying to ram Obamacare down our throats?

I remember Pelosi and crew marching through the Tea Party protesters with that bigass mallet.

I remember the House having a sit-in to protest something - maybe some gun legislation they hated>

I remember the Paul Wellstone Memorial/DNC Rally. And Obama giving out free T's at the Gabby Giffords and other victims' memorial. Nothing like smearing the blood of the dead all over you for political purposes!

Posted by: Lizzy at October 09, 2017 06:40 PM (W+vEI)

160 >>>Award Winning, Second-Tier Blogger.

That's why you needed the shelf.

...

okay I have a question. I've now upgraded a second time to a hammer drill. To get these fucking screws to finally go in.

Now, when I drill into the stud, well, it won't go into the stud. The screws are completely blocked after just getting through the drywall.

Is there a chance there's some kind of metal cladding or bracket on these studs at the places I'm drilling?

I just don't get it. I'm beyond frustrated.

I'm trying to put up additional supports on the studs because you monsters really freaked me out telling me "those shelves are coming down."

But I cannot put a damn screw through this stud.

BTW, this a a wall that adjoins to the next apartment. I don't see any power outlets on the stud so I don't think I'm hitting something like metal tubing around electrical wires.

Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 06:40 PM (8rNrN)

161 Remember when Obama had those fake doctors surrounding him when he was trying to ram Obamacare down our throats?


It was totally spontaneous. You know, Power Rangers assemble!

Posted by: pep at October 09, 2017 06:40 PM (LAe3v)

162 The first rule in business is that the customer is always right.

The second rule is see rule number one.

Posted by: ALH at October 09, 2017 06:40 PM (tlC78)

163 Damn, Ace. Hell of an essay. And you took half a day off!

Posted by: Denny Crane! at October 09, 2017 06:41 PM (4bjXi)

164 the whole point is ... not just no hits but no fuck ups letting people get on base, eh? That's what I would think but ...

hey did you guys watch that TV show called brockemesiter? That was pretty funny, there was a whole bit on pitchers.

anyway, sabermettrics would say on base by walk or hit or error is the same thing.

But I like learning.

Posted by: Witwickian Sage at October 09, 2017 06:41 PM (RDd1I)

165 Big mistake, Jerry. Big mistake. Huge.

Posted by: DangerGirl temporarily lost her SanityProd


I could see when you posted here that not only were you a good-looking woman, you were a powerful woman.

Posted by: pep at October 09, 2017 06:41 PM (LAe3v)

166 Pro-Tip to corporations: Social Justice Warriors do not care about the health of your company.

I'm told this is the theme of "SJWs Always Double Down".

For low-level plebs and omega males like, er, me, the first book in this series "SJWs Always Lie" was good enough (whatever we think of Beale personally). SJWAL helped us survive.

For anyone considering politics or higher levels of business, the new one might be of use.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 09, 2017 06:41 PM (6FqZa)

167 >>FTFY. Don't college games fill that place on a regular basis?


With College kids paying $15 a seat...and a Band...and Boosterz!


But, they do draw a lot more than Pro Football.

Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 06:41 PM (cl7bp)

168 In the last 2 days I've seen ADS for NFL football. Which is a pretty big deal, b/c I barely had the TV on this weekend. And when I did, it was mostly PBS stuff (don't judge me).

So, there was a narrow window where I was watching network TV and yet I saw 4 Ads. And not the Monday Night Football ones that I'm used to.

It was weird. One had a robot, metal hand in it. So yea, they must be aware, finally, that they stepped in some cow pies...with horsefly soup.

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla aka Pandora's hope jar at October 09, 2017 06:41 PM (6CZio)

169 The arm-linking bothers me every bit as much as the kneeling, if not more. The arm-linkers are saying, hey, I support the kneelers, so I'm linking arms, but I am not going to kneel, because I know that makes people mad, so I'm going to link arms and look sympathetic instead.

Jerks. Cowardly jerks.

And, as votermom so astutely asked the other day, what exactly do they want done so they will stop their protests? What specific action do they want taken? Hmmm? Hmmm?

Posted by: bluebell at October 09, 2017 06:41 PM (UoSKV)

170 160 did you put the drill in reverse again?

Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at October 09, 2017 06:41 PM (hMwEB)

171 ace, I can't believe you're still working on those damned shelves. I wonder if J. J. Sefton has shelving skillz?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 09, 2017 06:42 PM (PY9jH)

172 This is what systemic oppression looks like.

Posted by: Erik Reed at October 09, 2017 06:42 PM (df+Zi)

173 She adds as much value as dandruff. If they don't dump her for good at the end of the suspension, we'll know ESPN hates their viewers for sure.
Posted by: gp at October 09, 2017 06:17 PM (mk9aG)
---
Besides, girls talking football is funny.

Posted by: Cam at October 09, 2017 06:42 PM (2mC6G)

174
AoS style guide suggestion; the 'third place Dallas Cowboys'. Hovering slightly above the New York Giants - who have yet to win a game this season, despite five attempts.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at October 09, 2017 06:42 PM (EgwCt)

175
Stupid question, I know...

Why do networks - cable or orherwise - keep witless know-nothings in commentating roles? Cases in point: Joy Reid and Bob Costas, but there are dozens of them out there.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 09, 2017 06:42 PM (jtf24)

176 I want to kill ESPN. They have driven a lot of the SJW takeover of sports IMO. The cancer has spread, lots of the other sports talkers and journos are also SJW now, but one has to start someplace and ESPN is my place.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at October 09, 2017 06:42 PM (eASYU)

177 tfw ace really lives in a iron mountain bunker.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 09, 2017 06:42 PM (XFue2)

178 Barack Mugabe's 8 years in the White House and the short time in the Senate before that was all a political stunt.

Hell, his whole damn life is a political stunt.

Typical marxist.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 09, 2017 06:42 PM (nUkMr)

179 >>>ace, I can't believe you're still working on those damned shelves. I wonder if J. J. Sefton has shelving skillz?

we all have our Waterloos.

>>>170 160 did you put the drill in reverse again?

no not this time.

Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 06:42 PM (8rNrN)

180
But I cannot put a damn screw through this stud.


Did you drill pilot holes?

Posted by: pep at October 09, 2017 06:42 PM (LAe3v)

181 Nail plate on the stud to prevent drilling into the electrical wire running through it?

Posted by: Bosk at October 09, 2017 06:42 PM (fjMEv)

182 pilot holes ace. drill pilot holes.

Posted by: x at October 09, 2017 06:42 PM (nFwvY)

183 These idiots still don't understand why Trump won. They don't understand how much the 'elites' are despised. They don't understand the end goal of the far left, which is socialism writ large. There will be no football in that world. There will be no fans. Only soccer.

Posted by: IanDeal at October 09, 2017 06:43 PM (qcIL3)

184 >>Is there a chance there's some kind of metal cladding or bracket on these studs at the places I'm drilling?


Could be some straps to protect Plumbing / Wiring?

Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 06:43 PM (0S+FC)

185 Great article Ace. Especially on a half-day!

Posted by: uncle mitlie at October 09, 2017 06:43 PM (hPVlh)

186 Ace, try using a drill bit a little bit smaller than your screw to make a pilot hole into the stud.

Posted by: ALH at October 09, 2017 06:43 PM (tlC78)

187 Mike Pence insists on himself.

Posted by: Jemele Hill at October 09, 2017 06:43 PM (oVJmc)

188 >>>Actually, with the contracts they've signed they probably couldn't
do that, either, without losing their jobs (if there were any owner with
balls who actually liked this country).


There may also be some restrictions included in their endorsement contracts.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 09, 2017 06:43 PM (W+vEI)

189 Dunno Ace. Maybe aluminum studs, but I would think a hammer drill would go through those.

Posted by: Old Blue at October 09, 2017 06:43 PM (gEvQ8)

190 >>ace, I can't believe you're still working on those damned shelves. I wonder if J. J. Sefton has shelving skillz?


JJ could just paint him a picture of some shelves!

Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 06:43 PM (0S+FC)

191 Is there a chance there's some kind of metal cladding or bracket on these studs at the places I'm drilling?

Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 06:40 PM (8rNrN)


Maybe you have metal studs? Ask your building super or just put a thin nail in and give it some raps to listen to the sound.

Otherwise, you could test by going up and down the stud and seeing if you hit wood anywhere.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 09, 2017 06:44 PM (8gDQu)

192 Or...are they wood studs or possibly metal?

Posted by: Bosk at October 09, 2017 06:44 PM (fjMEv)

193 Is there a chance there's some kind of metal cladding or bracket on these studs at the places I'm drilling?


Are you running your drill backwards?

Posted by: IKEA Customer Service at October 09, 2017 06:44 PM (oVJmc)

194 O/T, but...anyone have an opinion on the various on-line photo printing services, or are they pretty much the same?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 09, 2017 06:44 PM (wYseH)

195 193 Is there a chance there's some kind of metal cladding or bracket on these studs at the places I'm drilling?

***

sir, look around...are you in a tank?

Posted by: Witwickian Sage at October 09, 2017 06:44 PM (RDd1I)

196 Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 06:40 PM (8rNrN)

The only thing I can think of is you're hitting a support for an electrical outlet. Move two inches higher or two inches lower and try again.

But that's what she said last night.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at October 09, 2017 06:44 PM (EgwCt)

197 The Jake Lingle Memorial Award for Journalistic Integrity - maybe not the award journos want, but definitely the one they need. The award show itself would be pretty awesome.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at October 09, 2017 06:45 PM (rznWS)

198 Could be some straps to protect Plumbing / Wiring?





Posted by: garrett


In that case, it's best to take a very sharp knife and push it in as hard as you can. Make sure you're standing in water, though.

Posted by: pep at October 09, 2017 06:45 PM (LAe3v)

199 Cubbies look alive, but a double play ends the push

And that Taco Bell egg taco looks inspeakably repulsive, like its made from cthulhu's bowel movements.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 09, 2017 06:45 PM (39g3+)

200 I'm officially old now. I went to the doctor today and she prescribed me Lipitor for my bad cholesterol.

Does that stuff kill your liver?

Posted by: ALH at October 09, 2017 06:45 PM (tlC78)

201 Is the Hammer Drill in Reverse?

Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 06:45 PM (0S+FC)

202 Hammer drill?

What type of bit?

How old is the building? Could there be brick or maybe iron pipes behind the wall?

Posted by: Mortimer-Finish Her! at October 09, 2017 06:45 PM (dciZN)

203 You have no idea all the crap these shelves are causing me.

When I first bought the hammer drill, months ago, I thought I was doing something wrong because the vice-teeth would not open up far enough to let me put in a bit. So I bought bits specifically for this drill. They also did not fit.

I then found out it was just a design defect. But now it was too late to return it to Amazon.

Amazon did let me return it, though, and the next drill worked. (Though amazon told me "We're making a ONE-TIME exception to our return policy..." so that card is now played.)

And even the hammer drill won't go into this damn stud.

The screws go in just past the drywall and then get hot when I try to force them further.

Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 06:45 PM (8rNrN)

204 "They say I can sell anything, Miss Hill. I'd like to try and sell something to you"

(They enter the boardroom)

Valhalla, Miss Hill. Please sit down."

(Jensen closes curtains)

"You have meddled with the primal forces of nature, Miss Hill, and I won't have it! Is that clear?"

http://tinyurl.com/m5xnefg

Posted by: Monty James at October 09, 2017 06:45 PM (gKOMX)

205 Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 06:40 PM (8rNrN)

Do you know for sure that you have wooden studs?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 09, 2017 06:46 PM (wYseH)

206 >>okay I have a question. I've now upgraded a second time to a hammer drill. To get these fucking screws to finally go in.

>>Now, when I drill into the stud, well, it won't go into the stud. The screws are completely blocked after just getting through the drywall.

Are you sure they are wood studs? Metal studs are becoming a lot more popular in residential construction.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 09, 2017 06:46 PM (/tuJf)

207 200 Posted by: ALH at October 09, 2017 06:45 PM (tlC7

It can, it can also lead to water weight gain in the legs.....

I've been on it since june, it worked for me.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 09, 2017 06:46 PM (SzZnW)

208 okay I have a question. I've now upgraded a second time to a hammer drill. To get these fucking screws to finally go in.

Now, when I drill into the stud, well, it won't go into the stud. The screws are completely blocked after just getting through the drywall.

Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 06:40 PM (8rNrN)
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You can buy self-drilling screws that will go into hardwood like butter. I didn't believe it when I first tried it, but it never even seized.

Posted by: Axeman at October 09, 2017 06:46 PM (2mC6G)

209 The screws go in just past the drywall and then get hot when I try to force them further.





Posted by: ace


Are you sure your apartment wasn't built atop an Indian graveyard?

Posted by: pep at October 09, 2017 06:46 PM (LAe3v)

210 >>>How old is the building? Could there be brick or maybe iron pipes behind the wall?

um, I don't know how old it is.

The stud finder says it's a stud, and it appears to be a stud (right distance, right width, finds the stud in that position at various heights, etc.)

I'm not sure what's going on.

Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 06:47 PM (8rNrN)

211 >>And, as votermom so astutely asked the other day, what exactly do they
want done so they will stop their protests? What specific action do they
want taken? Hmmm? Hmmm?


I recall Colin K had a list of demands that included some items that were so vague as to never be achievable - something like 'when blacks achieve total equality in the US.'

Posted by: Lizzy at October 09, 2017 06:47 PM (W+vEI)

212 Being an important second-tier blogger as I am, I can't just half-ass it with partial thoughts the way you Civilians do

Half-assingis right out, dude,

Ass-tats are where it's at.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at October 09, 2017 06:47 PM (SAlss)

213 Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 06:40 PM (8rNrN)

There could be a plumbing line right behind the drywall.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 09, 2017 06:47 PM (wYseH)

214 O/T, but...anyone have an opinion on the various on-line photo printing services, or are they pretty much the same?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 09, 2017 06:44 PM (wYseH)
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For run-of-the-mill stuff, I just use Costco. It's easy and the pics look fine.

I've never had anything none run-of-the-mill printed though.

Posted by: bluebell at October 09, 2017 06:47 PM (UoSKV)

215 Was drilled into us that losing a client, & then winning them back, was 3 times the expense and effort than just maintaining them in the first place.

And there were also no guarantees of winning them back.

That's what I think about every time a company makes a really stupid move. Hello Target! Case study.

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla aka Pandora's hope jar at October 09, 2017 06:47 PM (6CZio)

216 So in the Meremortal vs. Brian in New Orleans sweepstakes, who's ahead at the turn?

Meremortal instantly forecast doom and no way out for the NFL on this.

Not exactly precisely contrary to this, Brian opined that Trump's tweets the first weekend of this idiocy had somehow shifted the focus to Trump and politics, and "normalized" the stupid anthem protests. A different point, but one could easily mash this all up into NFL Will Suffer vs. NFL Will Prevail.

Inertia is the greatest force in nature - it would repay all Morons to keep this in mind in looking at all situations. The NFL occupies a yuuuge cultural/entertainment space, is extremely profitable. Will take more than one (or two, or three) icebergs to sink this particular Titanic.

Sort of as ace says, the bigger thing here is just how incredibly politicized (only one flavor, mind you) American consumer and commercial life has become. Always the same relentless idiocy, but more and more, it seems, every day.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 09, 2017 06:48 PM (QDnY+)

217 BTW, this a a wall that adjoins to the next
apartment. I don't see any power outlets on the stud so I don't think
I'm hitting something like metal tubing around electrical wires.





Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 06:40 PM (8rNrN)

I suspect you either have metal studs behind the sheet rock or some sort of masonry. If metal studs, drill a pilot whole, because they are like sheet metal, and use the appropriate screw. If it is masonry, you would need a masonry bit appropriately sized for the wall anchor.

Another case might be you are drilling into structural steel beams, in which case, I am not so sure you'd want to continue. In that case, or the case where you don't want to drill into the metal stud, relocate to an area where you could just use sheet rock wall anchors (which would be nothing but drilling through sheet rock).

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 09, 2017 06:48 PM (tbOMB)

218 conservative too polite to fight the actual war -- then what is the point of you, and whose side are you actually on?

Posted by: Ace at 06:09 PM




What was Mel Gibson's question after the fight scene with Val Resnick / Gregg Henry?




Then what the fuck are you good for? Purely from the point of service as representatives.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 09, 2017 06:48 PM (vuY5x)

219 >>>Are you sure they are wood studs? Metal studs are becoming a lot more popular in residential construction.

no... I'm not sure. I didn't know metal studs were a possibility.

Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 06:48 PM (8rNrN)

220 Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 06:40 PM (8rNrN)

Have you tried predrilling a pilot hole with a drill bit?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 09, 2017 06:48 PM (wYseH)

221 Helluva post for a day off

Posted by: rammajamma at October 09, 2017 06:48 PM (oAlzZ)

222 The only thing I can think of is you're hitting a support for an electrical outlet. Move two inches higher or two inches lower and try again.

But that's what she said last night.
Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at October 09, 2017 06:44 PM (EgwCt)
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Sexbot?

Posted by: Axeman at October 09, 2017 06:48 PM (2mC6G)

223 Jerks. Cowardly jerks.

You'll notice this year when I've been gung ho about the Astros I haven't given one sh!t about the Texans since they started this Locked Arm Unity Resistance nonsense.

They can have my loyalty back when they prove themselves loyal to me.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 09, 2017 06:48 PM (6FqZa)

224 216 Posted by: rhomboid at October 09, 2017 06:48 PM (QDnY+)

The NFL can thrive or fail for all I care....if I see either it will be accidentally.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 09, 2017 06:48 PM (SzZnW)

225
There are some cheap-ass ways of affixing outlet boxes to studs. You hit one of them you're not going through it. Not easily.

Take a finishing nail and try a couple inches higher or lower.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at October 09, 2017 06:48 PM (EgwCt)

226 Sven, I have to go back in 4 months for lab tests. I guess that's to check to see if its working.

Every decade brings a new surprise.

Posted by: ALH at October 09, 2017 06:49 PM (tlC78)

227 160,
"Now, when I drill into the stud, well, it won't go into the stud. The
screws are completely blocked after just getting through the drywall.



Is there a chance there's some kind of metal cladding or bracket on these studs at the places I'm drilling?"


A horizontal run of romex or water pipe will usually have a metal piece on the stud to keep screws from going into it.

Posted by: geoffb at October 09, 2017 06:49 PM (zOpu5)

228 BTW, this a a wall that adjoins to the next
apartment. I don't see any power outlets on the stud so I don't think
I'm hitting something like metal tubing around electrical wires.





Posted by: ace at October




How old is the building? When was your unit last renovated?

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 09, 2017 06:49 PM (vuY5x)

229 Could be metal studs, conduit, nail plate, plumbing. I wouldn't drill into it if I didn't know what it was.

Posted by: freaked at October 09, 2017 06:49 PM (UdKB7)

230 I recall Colin K had a list of demands that included some items that were so vague as to never be achievable - something like 'when blacks achieve total equality in the US.'
Posted by: Lizzy at October 09, 2017 06:47 PM (W+vEI)
---------

Exactly. And I don't suppose he defined how we would know that if it happens.

Posted by: bluebell at October 09, 2017 06:49 PM (UoSKV)

231 >>no... I'm not sure. I didn't know metal studs were a possibility.


*Face Palm*

Posted by: Capt. Picard at October 09, 2017 06:49 PM (0S+FC)

232 have you tried complaining?

Posted by: Dr. Amy Bizzshup at October 09, 2017 06:49 PM (RDd1I)

233 older studs can be hard as a rock. drill some damn pilot holes.

Posted by: x at October 09, 2017 06:49 PM (nFwvY)

234 >>>I suspect you either have metal studs behind the sheet rock or some sort of masonry. If metal studs, drill a pilot whole, because they are like sheet metal, and use the appropriate screw. If it is masonry, you would need a masonry bit appropriately sized for the wall anchor.

if it's a metal stud, I drill the hole with a regular drill bit, or is there a special metal drill bit?

Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 06:49 PM (8rNrN)

235 57 >>The L.A. Coliseum was half empty yesterday when the Seahawks were in town to play the Rams


You can't sell Football in LA.

Posted by: garrett



You can't sell Pro Football in LA. USC/UCLA do pretty well.

Posted by: Puddleglum at October 09, 2017 06:49 PM (pY+s4)

236 If you have a strong magnet, you could check for metal studs with it.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 09, 2017 06:49 PM (oVJmc)

237 or Locked Arm Resistance Play: L.A.R.P.

Looks like the jerk store just ran low on... me.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 09, 2017 06:49 PM (6FqZa)

238 I got capped in the face for the crime of not having a light! Compare that to......... you know.

Posted by: Zombie Val Resnick at October 09, 2017 06:50 PM (SkuXa)

239 For run-of-the-mill stuff, I just use Costco. It's easy and the pics look fine.

Posted by: bluebell at October 09, 2017 06:47 PM (UoSKV)

Thanks.

I'll give them a try.

Go Yankees!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 09, 2017 06:50 PM (wYseH)

240 Posted by: ALH at October 09, 2017 06:45 PM (tlC7

Yes. Also your muscles and your brain.

Your body needs cholesterol; it's what keeps your brain wet or soft or some damn thing.

My doctor told me many years ago she wouldn't put a rat on statins.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at October 09, 2017 06:50 PM (SAlss)

241 >>>drill some damn pilot holes.

you know what, I did forget about pilot holes completely.

It's been a while since Phase 1 of the Shelf Initiative.

Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 06:50 PM (8rNrN)

242 Can you drill between the studs? Because if you can't it ain't the studs.

Posted by: Mortimer-Finish Her! at October 09, 2017 06:50 PM (dciZN)

243 If you have a strong magnet, you could check for metal studs with it.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles


For aluminum?

Posted by: pep at October 09, 2017 06:50 PM (LAe3v)

244 >>I wouldn't drill into it if I didn't know what it was.


This is terrible advice.


Drill, Screw, Hammer away!

Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 06:50 PM (0S+FC)

245
okay I have a question. I've now upgraded a second time to a hammer drill. To get these fucking screws to finally go in.

Now, when I drill into the stud, well, it won't go into the stud. The screws are completely blocked after just getting through the drywall.

Is there a chance there's some kind of metal cladding or bracket on these studs at the places I'm drilling?

I just don't get it. I'm beyond frustrated.

I'm trying to put up additional supports on the studs because you monsters really freaked me out telling me "those shelves are coming down."

But I cannot put a damn screw through this stud.


Putting screws into a 2x4 can be awfully frustrating at times, mostly when trying to put one through a nail.... Have you tried one a couple inches above or below the first spot?

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 09, 2017 06:50 PM (bZ7mE)

246 Ace, how old is your building? Are you hitting your fire wall?

Maybe it's time for plan B.

Bookcases.

Posted by: ALH at October 09, 2017 06:50 PM (tlC78)

247 I'm going with stone, steel, or metal. Probably should have spoken with the owner/landlord before starting on this odyssey.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 09, 2017 06:50 PM (XFue2)

248 okay thanks guys. I have a new plan of attack.

I will let you know what new incompetency I bring to the project later on.

Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 06:51 PM (8rNrN)

249 Oh cool. I love ace home repair threads. Only blog I know of where discussion effortlessly shifts from Fate of the Universe to "how the f**k do I get these screws to go in the stud?".


Posted by: rhomboid at October 09, 2017 06:51 PM (QDnY+)

250 226 Posted by: ALH at October 09, 2017 06:49 PM (tlC7

Watch your booze intake I think.....

anyway I had my heart benchmarked, I did fine but doc says "lose weight or die*"

*by die Doc means I am probably shaving ~ 8 years off my expected lifespan.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 09, 2017 06:51 PM (SzZnW)

251 Ace, definitely a pilot hole. That was you can see what you're drilling into by the stuff coming out of the drill hole.

Posted by: Old Blue at October 09, 2017 06:51 PM (gEvQ8)

252 Why does the city of Columbus , Ojio have a holiday named after it?? What is so special about that city other then it is racist and hates persons of coler !!!

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro at October 09, 2017 06:51 PM (WmgTn)

253 >>>okay I have a question. I've now upgraded a second time to a hammer drill. To get these fucking screws to finally go in.
Now, when I drill into the stud, well, it won't go into the stud.
The screws are completely blocked after just getting through the
drywall.<<<

What the hell kind of building do you live in? Stone? Are you screwing a wood screw into a steel I-beam? Try drilling a pilot hole with smaller diameter drill bit before you drive the screw.

Posted by: Fritz at October 09, 2017 06:51 PM (3ubcI)

254 >>> I'm going with stone, steel, or metal. Probably should have spoken with the owner/landlord before starting on this odyssey

I really did not expect an odyssey when I began, tbh

Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 06:51 PM (8rNrN)

255 the whole point is ... not just no hits but no fuck ups letting people get on base, eh? That's what I would think but ...





Posted by: Witwickian Sage at October 09, 2017 06:41 PM (RDd1I)


Yes. A no-hitter means no hits but players can get on base due to walks, obstruction or interference during the play (such as A-Rod in the 2004 ALCS), errors (let's say the shortstop botched the play and got an error), being hit by a pitch, or a screwup on 3rd strike. If nobody gets on base for any reason (aka. 27 up, 27 down) you have a perfect game.

Posted by: Vendette at October 09, 2017 06:51 PM (T9km8)

256 It's been a while since Phase 1 of the Shelf Initiative.





Posted by: ace


Nonetheless, we stand in awe.

Posted by: The Manhattan Project at October 09, 2017 06:51 PM (LAe3v)

257 >>>What the hell kind of building do you live in? Stone? Are you screwing a wood screw into a steel I-beam? Try drilling a pilot hole with smaller diameter drill bit before you drive the screw.


will try. Thanks.

Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 06:52 PM (8rNrN)

258 I just don't get it. I'm beyond frustrated.

I'm trying to put up additional supports on the studs because you monsters really freaked me out telling me "those shelves are coming down."

But I cannot put a damn screw through this stud.

BTW, this a a wall that adjoins to the next apartment. I don't see any power outlets on the stud so I don't think I'm hitting something like metal tubing around electrical wires.

Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 06:40 PM (8rNrN)


Could there possibly be brick between your apartment and the next one? Maybe two old buildings joined together?

Posted by: Tami at October 09, 2017 06:52 PM (Enq6K)

259 The left has decided that it can't win the political war on the current battlefield
***
The left has decided on "no escape" as its strategy in infotainment.

Apparently *any* exposure to conservative ideas is blocking them, so they have decided on "soft" censorship - force everyone to only be exposed to leftist ideas...

Posted by: 18-1 at October 09, 2017 06:52 PM (Z8FFX)

260 Ace,

Wood in our house is old and hard as a rock. Putting in some blinds we actually made it smoke. I have to use a high powered electric drill to get screws in.

Posted by: tsrblke (new tablet) at October 09, 2017 06:52 PM (UJvJk)

261
For aluminum?


Why would they make studs out of aluminum? It weakens in high temps, it's expensive and weight isn't an issue. If they're metal studs, they're likely steel sheet metal.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 09, 2017 06:52 PM (oVJmc)

262 Sexbot?

Posted by: Axeman at October 09, 2017 06:48 PM (2mC6G)


You know Drudge keeps pushing the Sexbot thing? So I assume it's a thing. In a bout of midnight insomnia I checked PronHub for videos last night.

It's not a thing. Except the Japanese animators. Very strange people the Japanese.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at October 09, 2017 06:52 PM (EgwCt)

263 if it's a metal stud, I drill the hole with a regular drill bit, or is there a special metal drill bit?

Decent quality twist bit should work, kinda. Trick is to have relatively slow rotation speed and push hard - "fast feed, slow speed." Otherwise the rotating bit can actually work-harden the steel.

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 09, 2017 06:52 PM (bZ7mE)

264 Ace,

the simplest way to proceed is to just scan all of your books, keep the little 128 Gig flash drive in a cup on your table (with a copy on your computer and another elsewhere), and dispense with your books and the idea of anchored bookshelves.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 09, 2017 06:52 PM (8gDQu)

265 I recall Colin K had a list of demands that included some items that were so vague as to never be achievable - something like 'when blacks achieve total equality in the US.'
Posted by: Lizzy at October 09, 2017 06:47 PM (W+vEI)



Of course its un-achievable. It has to be vague so the Revolution can carry on forever!! Plus, all the loot you can make exploiting grievances.

There is GOLD in them thar Grievances!!

Posted by: Puddleglum at October 09, 2017 06:53 PM (pY+s4)

266 I suspect within a couple of years we'll be seeing Representative Jemele on the House floor, motormouthing away on her then current pet peeve. All she needs is to find the right gerrymandered district to run in.

As to Jerry Jones and his latest stance (good), his kneeling with the whole team stunt 2 weeks ago prior to the anthem was clearly an attempt to thread the eye of the needle with a camel.

And the camel was not amused.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 09, 2017 06:53 PM (0ogQG)

267 Ace lives in a Faraday cage

Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at October 09, 2017 06:53 PM (z2W2E)

268 Ha, boulder terlit hobo. I remember you and I agreeing on the linked-arm thing in a previous thread.

Posted by: bluebell at October 09, 2017 06:53 PM (UoSKV)

269 I lived in NYC many many years ago and seem to recall that all of the electrical wiring was armored.
In other words protected by steel tubes and such.

Posted by: navybrat at October 09, 2017 06:53 PM (w7KSn)

270 Why do networks - cable or orherwise - keep witless know-nothings in commentating roles? Cases in point: Joy Reid and Bob Costas, but there are dozens of them out there.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 09, 2017 06:42 PM (jtf24)

Ummmmmmm.....It's called the Weinstein Rule.

Knee pads included. Except for Bob Costas, he don't need 'em.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 09, 2017 06:53 PM (nUkMr)

271 So, exactly why should I believe anything Jerrah Jones says?

Posted by: Eromero at October 09, 2017 06:53 PM (zLDYs)

272 >>no... I'm not sure. I didn't know metal studs were a possibility

Yep. You might try getting a small drill bit that is made for metal. Metal studs are pretty thin but they will defeat a screw.

You can also use self taping screws which should get 'er done if you do have metal studs. They will also work on wood.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 09, 2017 06:53 PM (/tuJf)

273 -Months later
-Forgets the pilot holes


LMFAO!


Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 09, 2017 06:53 PM (XFue2)

274 >>>Ace, definitely a pilot hole. That was you can see what you're drilling into by the stuff coming out of the drill hole.

okay, walk me through this: How would I see into that tiny little hole? Just a flashlight and I could see if it's metal or wood?

Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 06:53 PM (8rNrN)

275 Here's a list of the NFL's major sponsors. Just like the comic book makers, the NFL doesn't care about you at all. They're concerned with the bottom line.

Get off your ass and do something about it.

https://tinyurl.com/ydchhmq4

Posted by: RichieD at October 09, 2017 06:53 PM (iXvdd)

276 Maybe Shelving is just a little above your Skillz.


Have you thought about a series of hooks, instead?

Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 06:53 PM (0S+FC)

277 ace, your best bet is to get a sledgehammer, bust a few holes large enough to stick your head into, so you can see the stud,

Posted by: DangerGirl temporarily lost her SanityProd (tm) at October 09, 2017 06:53 PM (/o9Qk)

278 259 Posted by: 18-1 at October 09, 2017 06:52 PM (Z8FFX)

Which means we MUST starve their beast and turn the TV off.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 09, 2017 06:53 PM (SzZnW)

279 Others here know a lot more than I do about things like this, but I always recommend explosives for this kind of situation. Lots. Former Navy SEAL buddy always says "P for plenty" is the right amount.


Posted by: rhomboid at October 09, 2017 06:53 PM (QDnY+)

280 Drill, Screw, Hammer away!
Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 06:50 PM (0S+FC)
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You heard 'dis guy!

Posted by: Harvey Weinstein at October 09, 2017 06:54 PM (2mC6G)

281 200 I'm officially old now. I went to the doctor today and she prescribed me Lipitor for my bad cholesterol

==

ALH don't take it!!!!

Lipitor is a statin.
It is bad news.
Cholesterol actually protects you. Check newer studies.
You need to lower overall inflammation. Cut carbs as much as you can as a start.

Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at October 09, 2017 06:54 PM (hMwEB)

282 Jeez, Ace. It's Columbus Day. Take a break.

Or not.

Posted by: RI Red at October 09, 2017 06:54 PM (MTg73)

283 >>okay, walk me through this: How would I see into that tiny little hole? Just a flashlight and I could see if it's metal or wood?



Hahahahaha....

I'm cryin' here!

Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 06:54 PM (0S+FC)

284 ace, three words: standing book shelves

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 09, 2017 06:54 PM (PY9jH)

285 They are so demanding and crazy, They expected the VP of the U.S. to kneel to their demands. Not to the country.. Obama did this by telling his fkty fks our country was no better and deserving of respect than others countries.

You know back to the one persons terrorist is another s freedom fighter B.S

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2017 06:54 PM (FKrah)

286 213 Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 06:40 PM (8rNrN)

There could be a plumbing line right behind the drywall.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 09, 2017 06:47 PM (wYseH)



Second Tier blogger drowns in bedroom after flooding apartment building while attempting to put up shelving.

Posted by: Future Newspaper Headlines at October 09, 2017 06:54 PM (z/Ubi)

287 Working in apartments in NYC is never easy. Neighbor bitched days on end when I installed our floor safe.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 09, 2017 06:54 PM (vuY5x)

288 Don't tell Ace, but I'm lmao about the shelves. I wonder if the Ace in my mind looks anything like Ace IRL. I think the real life one is more hairy based on the Ewok thing. Conjecture, b/c don't know how Ewok began.

I will go sit in the corner for lmao at Ace. Don't yell at me.

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla aka Pandora's hope jar at October 09, 2017 06:54 PM (6CZio)

289 Jemealworm is a True Believer. This is so bizarre. You'd think there would be tighter controls on this sort of thing, especially considering the blowback from the 'PDT is the most raycis' human what evah lived' tweet. I always assumed that at the level of anchor they were like performers. Management told them "Ok, go SJW". Then later "Ok, we need to pull back a bit" and they'd be like, "Sure, whatever".

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 09, 2017 06:54 PM (/qEW2)

290 okay, walk me through this: How would I see into that tiny little hole? Just a flashlight and I could see if it's metal or wood?


Nail or piece of stiff wire.

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 09, 2017 06:54 PM (bZ7mE)

291 >>>>>>>>Are you sure they are wood studs? Metal studs are becoming a lot more popular in residential construction.



no... I'm not sure. I didn't know metal studs were a possibility.

.
.
.
.Nothing but metal studs and plaster in my house. termites have nothing to get into for the most part except the 5/8 plywood in my attic. Everything else is Hardy Board.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 09, 2017 06:55 PM (+Dllb)

292 >>>Could there possibly be brick between your apartment and the next one? Maybe two old buildings joined together?

could be, but why would the stud finder show it as a one-inch wide strip?

Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 06:55 PM (8rNrN)

293 277 ace, your best bet is to get a sledgehammer, bust a few holes large enough to stick your head into, so you can see the stud,

Posted by: DangerGirl temporarily lost her SanityProd (tm) at October 09, 2017 06:53 PM (/o9Qk)


I LOL'd!

What a picture this creates!

Posted by: Tami at October 09, 2017 06:55 PM (Enq6K)

294 okay, walk me through this: How would I see into that tiny little hole? Just a flashlight and I could see if it's metal or wood?

Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 06:53 PM (8rNrN)
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You should be able to see what's building up on the drill edges.

Posted by: Axeman at October 09, 2017 06:55 PM (2mC6G)

295 >>okay, walk me through this: How would I see into that tiny little hole? Just a flashlight and I could see if it's metal or wood?


Look what comes out in the grooves of the drill bit.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 09, 2017 06:55 PM (/tuJf)

296 You COULD drill say a half inch or so hole just thru the drywall to see what's under there. The brackets will probably cover it up.

Posted by: freaked at October 09, 2017 06:55 PM (UdKB7)

297 Strongest voice in the war right now?

IMHO, Trump via Twitter.

Posted by: shibumi at October 09, 2017 06:55 PM (aT+Bx)

298 I like the sledgehammer idea...


Maybe there's an old Wall Safe filled with cash back there, ace!?

Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 06:55 PM (0S+FC)

299 There could be a plumbing line right behind the drywall.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October



Yep. Heh, that is the funny scenario.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 09, 2017 06:56 PM (vuY5x)

300 I can't criticize ace. My husband and son are idiots. Drove the golf cart through salt water after Irma. Son said at one point it was floating and they had to push it out. They hosed it off after, but still.

They've been trying to "repair" it now for two weeks.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 09, 2017 06:56 PM (PY9jH)

301 >>>ace, three words: standing book shelves

i got rid of those so I could reclaim floor space with the shelves!

Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 06:56 PM (8rNrN)

302
The same Republican Shit who colluded with the radical alt-left obama to give nuclear weapon-building permission to Iran is telling me that President Trump is gonna "trigger WWIII" by tweeting unfriendly things to our enemies.



Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at October 09, 2017 06:56 PM (Dtao3)

303 274 >>>Ace, definitely a pilot hole. That was you can see what you're drilling into by the stuff coming out of the drill hole.

okay, walk me through this: How would I see into that tiny little hole? Just a flashlight and I could see if it's metal or wood?

Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 06:53 PM (8rNrN)



They mean you can tell by the type of shavings coming out from the drill hole ace, whether its still wood shavings or metal shavings.

Posted by: buzzion at October 09, 2017 06:56 PM (z/Ubi)

304 Why would they make studs out of aluminum? It weakens in high temps,
it's expensive and weight isn't an issue. If they're metal studs,
they're likely steel sheet metal.


They use both metals, but you're correct, steel is more common.

Posted by: pep at October 09, 2017 06:56 PM (LAe3v)

305 i don't laugh at aces first shelving experiencing and power tool conquering.
heck i've used all kinds of tools but at one time, I didn't know there was a reverse on a drill.

everyone has been green.

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2017 06:56 PM (FKrah)

306 Few years ago finished the garage, damn near injured myself trying to drill/screw in screws in the studs - 50-yr old, old growth, SoCal dry heat aged wood. Bought a power drill, was STILL not easy. But as all the contractors who have seen the garage say, they don't make 'em like that anymore.



Posted by: rhomboid at October 09, 2017 06:57 PM (QDnY+)

307 BTW, Napa has yuuuuge concerntrations of repurblicans for California.or so I'm told

Posted by: Witwickian Sage at October 09, 2017 06:57 PM (RDd1I)

308 >>Strongest voice in the war right now?
IMHO, Trump via Twitter.



Yes. It kills them, which is why they keep insisting it is the worst, and also, he should be banned.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 09, 2017 06:57 PM (W+vEI)

309 283 >>okay, walk me through this: How would I see into that tiny little hole? Just a flashlight and I could see if it's metal or wood?



Hahahahaha....

I'm cryin' here!
Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 06:54 PM (0S+FC)

I about crapped myself I laughed so hard when I read that.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 09, 2017 06:57 PM (XFue2)

310 Ace, you can get a studfinder at any Lowes. Guaranteed 100 percent accurate. Of course, professionals just tap on the wall to find studs.

Posted by: Eromero at October 09, 2017 06:57 PM (zLDYs)

311 At this point in a roadrunner cartoon, Wile E ESPN is realizing that he has run off the cliff with the NFL anvil.

Posted by: A Lurker at October 09, 2017 06:57 PM (DgYur)

312 266 I suspect within a couple of years we'll be seeing Representative Jemele on the House floor, motormouthing away on her then current pet peeve. All she needs is to find the right gerrymandered district to run in.


And she'll be married to Cynthia McKinney! Imagine the sweet sweet crazy in that relationship!

Posted by: Puddleglum at October 09, 2017 06:57 PM (pY+s4)

313
Corker: let's make us all safer by giving Iran nukes!



Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at October 09, 2017 06:57 PM (Dtao3)

314 yeah if you are drilling into something it will be drilling the wood or something other like another screw with metal shavings.

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2017 06:57 PM (FKrah)

315 >>but at one time, I didn't know there was a reverse on a drill.


But, you were high.

Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 06:58 PM (0S+FC)

316 Ace lives in a Faraday cage

It sounds like Ace lives in one of those former missile silos.

Posted by: hunkering down at October 09, 2017 06:58 PM (YyU8T)

317 Well, you may have to swing by the ONT to have Alberta Oil Peon drill some core samples for you so you can get some idea on what you are dealing with. Good news is if you hit the gas line and manage to cap it you can sell the gas back to the gas company for a profit. Same with the electric.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 09, 2017 06:58 PM (vuY5x)

318 >>>okay I have a question. I've now upgraded a second time to a hammer drill. To get these fucking screws to finally go in


is the little button with the R on it pushed in?

jk

Posted by: concrete girl at October 09, 2017 06:58 PM (Fqm+x)

319 I'm not sure what's going on.

Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 06:47 PM (8rNrN)

If its a stud, why are you using a hammer drill? And are you using a masonry bit in the hammer drill? If its a wood wood stud, then all you need is a regular drill and a brad point bit to make a pilot hole that is 1/2 the diameter of the screw you're trying to set.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at October 09, 2017 06:59 PM (1YEOU)

320 Self tapping screws should cure all your ills.

Posted by: Bosk at October 09, 2017 06:59 PM (fjMEv)

321 I would totally watch Ace do Home Improvement on the Home Network.

Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 06:59 PM (0S+FC)

322 277
ace, your best bet is to get a sledgehammer, bust a few holes large enough to stick your head into, so you can see the stud


I find the sledgehammer to be an unnecessary complication.

Posted by: Roy Batty at October 09, 2017 06:59 PM (LAe3v)

323 if it's a metal stud, I drill the hole with a regular drill bit, or is there a special metal drill bit?

Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 06:49 PM (8rNrN)

Regular drill bit should work, but as others say, probably not the best idea to drill unless you confirm it is a metal stud. And FWIW, drilling through a metal stud should be slightly more difficult than drilling through a coffee can. If it is a wood stud, expect to see wood shavings on the drill bit. If it is metal expect metal shavings.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 09, 2017 06:59 PM (tbOMB)

324 281 200 I'm officially old now. I went to the doctor today and she prescribed me Lipitor for my bad cholesterol

==

ALH don't take it!!!!

Lipitor is a statin.
It is bad news.
Cholesterol actually protects you. Check newer studies.
You need to lower overall inflammation. Cut carbs as much as you can as a start.
Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at October 09, 2017 06:54 PM (hMwEB)



Yes, what votermom said. Remember, docs learn about the medications from the Pharma rep selling them. And there are almost always alternatives.

Take some time do the research, and go back to your doc with questions, before you decide to take. I think there have been some lawsuits brought, but hard to keep track.

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla aka Pandora's hope jar at October 09, 2017 06:59 PM (6CZio)

325 Metal studs are designed to have screws go into them.

If it isn't brick, concrete or stone your hitting, which would also be there in between the "studs" then what you're hitting is either a metal pipe or a protective metal shield that is there to keep screws from making a hole in whatever it behind it. I'd not drill through it but would try to screw in a few inches above or below where it didn't work.

Posted by: geoffb at October 09, 2017 06:59 PM (zOpu5)

326 Plumbing lines, at least the ones I'm familiar with, usually have a metal plate where they pass through the stud to protect it from screws. I'd be wary about just drilling through metal without drilling a couple exploratory holes 6 inches above and below to make sure that it wasn't a protector plate.

could be, but why would the stud finder show it as a one-inch wide strip?

One inch stud doesn't sound like a 2x4. Could very well be a metal stud.

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 09, 2017 06:59 PM (bZ7mE)

327 could be, but why would the stud finder show it as a one-inch wide strip?

Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 06:55 PM (8rNrN)

I'd guess because there's one inch of metal in the area. A nail would be about a 1/8th inch area.

I'm still thinking you've got some support metal in that zone. No big worry about putting a screw into it. But cheap ass drill bits won't go through it. Not without putting out enough smoke to evacuate the building.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at October 09, 2017 06:59 PM (EgwCt)

328 305 i don't laugh at aces first shelving experiencing and power tool conquering.
heck i've used all kinds of tools but at one time, I didn't know there was a reverse on a drill.

everyone has been green.
Posted by: willow at October 09, 2017 06:56 PM (FKrah)



How many tools do you really need to construct a bong?

Posted by: buzzion at October 09, 2017 06:59 PM (z/Ubi)

329 Ace, leave the stud alone. If you took the wall out you'd probably find the Lindbergh baby

Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at October 09, 2017 07:00 PM (z2W2E)

330 This would go faster if we just did it for you.

We're not going to but it would be faster.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 09, 2017 07:00 PM (/tuJf)

331 Management told them "Ok, go SJW". Then later "Ok, we need to pull back a bit" and they'd be like, "Sure, whatever".

We have our next centerfold . . . if that's okay with everyone?

Posted by: Beta Male Monthly at October 09, 2017 07:00 PM (6FqZa)

332 So we are clear, this is really about drilling a hole in a wall, not a metaphor for something else.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 09, 2017 07:00 PM (vuY5x)

333 garrett, was not., But in my former life everything was done for me. Until i lost patience waiting for others to do my bidding. Now i tackle most things.
except electricity. I'm terrified of wire

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2017 07:00 PM (FKrah)

334 >>okay, walk me through this: How would I see into that tiny little hole? Just a flashlight and I could see if it's metal or wood?


Flashlight. Unless you smell gas. Then use a lighter.

Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 07:00 PM (0S+FC)

335 I would totally watch Ace do Home Improvement on the Home Network.

Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 06:59 PM (0S+FC)
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"Now here, I like to use my head to prop up the shelves..."

Posted by: Axeman at October 09, 2017 07:00 PM (2mC6G)

336 >>>>
At this point in a roadrunner cartoon, Wile E ESPN is realizing that he has run off the cliff with the NFL anvil.
.
.
.
.I hit a Road Runner today doing 75mph on US 69 traveling north around Celetse Texas....he did not survive.

Pro Tip: Road Runners are not as fast as they are portrayed in the cartoons.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 09, 2017 07:00 PM (+Dllb)

337 Tiny flashlights!1!1!!,!,!111 eleventy!!!

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 09, 2017 07:01 PM (XFue2)

338 274 okay, walk me through this: How would I see into that tiny little hole? Just a flashlight and I could see if it's metal or wood?





Posted by: ace


Just look at the tip of the drill for any metal shavings after your bit bottoms at the depth you seek. That depth should be the same as the screw length. You can place a piece of masking tape on the bit at the correct depth so you know when to stop drilling in.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 09, 2017 07:01 PM (0ogQG)

339 I hope the NFL and Marvel comics feel excruciating pain; and I'm a fan of the former and indifferent to the later. No quarter, bitches!

I shitcanned Sports Illustrated last week after subscribing to it for 30, read that 30, years, since I was in junior high. Every article about the kneeling was pro jerk off ignorant player and anti Trump. Fuck them in the ear, I'll just buy the swimsuit issue every year.

Posted by: UGAdawg at October 09, 2017 07:01 PM (tRd71)

340 I hate it when the shelves are saggy!

Posted by: Harvey Weinstein at October 09, 2017 07:01 PM (qEhxI)

341 drilling through a metal stud is easy you just have to have a good bit, or self tapping screws after you've drilled the hole

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2017 07:01 PM (FKrah)

342 This would go faster if we just did it for you.

We're not going to but it would be faster.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 09, 2017 07:00 PM (/tuJf)
---------

I was thinking it would be nice if someone who lived nearby could go and help ace out. I'm 250 miles away and know probably about as much as ace about this stuff but I could make him a nice meal while he yells at the drill and all.

Posted by: bluebell at October 09, 2017 07:02 PM (UoSKV)

343 >>If it is a wood stud, expect to see wood shavings on the drill bit. If it is metal expect metal shavings.


This is genius stuff, Ace.

You tking notes?

Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 07:02 PM (0S+FC)

344 We have to burn the NFL village to save it.

I'm good with that. Conservatives are good at building, and we like doing it. We tear down shit in order to build new shit all the time.

So, we blow the NFL to keep it out of SW hands and then rebuild the way we want it to be.

Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 09, 2017 07:02 PM (3myMJ)

345 I'd like to see you big studly DIY guys in a court of law, arguing a case.

Actually, I'd rather see you at my house with my honey-do list in your hands, but leave ace alone.

You wouldn't know shit about anything in a courthouse.

Well, Pepe might.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at October 09, 2017 07:02 PM (SAlss)

346 >>>I'd guess because there's one inch of metal in the area. A nail would be about a 1/8th inch area.

This is a support bracket under the shelf. The stud rejects the screw at two positions, one seven or eight inches below the other one.

So I don't think it's a nail, unless I'm just colossally unlucky.

I don't know the dimensions of a metal support area.

I could just put the drywall anchors into the wall (and plaster up these old screw-holes) but I really wanted to drill into the stud for additional strength.

Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 07:02 PM (8rNrN)

347 buzzion doesn't hear my little growl..

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2017 07:02 PM (FKrah)

348 >>i don't laugh at aces first shelving experiencing and power tool conquering.

heck i've used all kinds of tools but at one time, I didn't know there was a reverse on a drill.


Yes. I worked in a huge hardware store in HS, and my answer would be, "Go ask Bill in aisle 10." I didn't have the answers, I just knew which guy in the store had the right expertise to provide an answer.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 09, 2017 07:02 PM (W+vEI)

349 The people living in the trailer next to Ace's must be freaking out right about now.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 09, 2017 07:02 PM (nUkMr)

350 As for LA and football, I think it works like this: USC (when they're good), UCLA, Rams (somewhat distant third), um ..... maybe if Long Beach State has a big year, um .... oh, that new team that plays in the small soccer stadium, "Charge" something?

As many in LA have noted, just wait until November, if the Lakers are hot and either the Kings or the Ducks have something special going on. And USC somehow fights back to Top 10 status. LA's a weird sports market - a huge one, but a weird one.


Posted by: rhomboid at October 09, 2017 07:02 PM (QDnY+)

351 okay, walk me through this: How would I see into that tiny little hole? Just a flashlight and I could see if it's metal or wood?

Okay ...

1) Drill a half inch wide hole until you hit resistance.

2) Take off your pants and call the cutest neighbor you know.

3) Lock the door after you let her in and start masturbating near the pilot hole. Now, make sure you have a clear trajectory to the pilot hole (all while keeping on eye on the cute neighbor - tell her to just shut up if she's interrupting things).

4) Ejaculate into the pilot hole. If it's a wood stud the splooge will stick. If it's a metal stud it will bounce back out and hit you in the face. If you put the neighbor girl behind you and duck right after you cum in the pilot hole you should be alright either way.

Posted by: Harvey Weintein, Pro Splooger at October 09, 2017 07:02 PM (8gDQu)

352 335 I would totally watch Ace do Home Improvement on the Home Network.

Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 06:59 PM (0S+FC)
---
"Now here, I like to use my head to prop up the shelves..."
Posted by: Axeman at October 09, 2017 07:00 PM (2mC6G)



lol
That's my head prop move.

The show would be a great NFL replacement for us.

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla aka Pandora's hope jar at October 09, 2017 07:02 PM (6CZio)

353 I LOL'd!



What a picture this creates!

Posted by: Tami at October 09, 2017 06:55 PM (Enq6K)

I am about ready to book a ticket to go do a shelf install.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 09, 2017 07:03 PM (tbOMB)

354 ace, is yours an old building? Could also be an old cast iron pipe.

Posted by: Tami at October 09, 2017 07:03 PM (Enq6K)

355 334 >>okay, walk me through this: How would I see into that tiny little hole? Just a flashlight and I could see if it's metal or wood?


Flashlight. Unless you smell gas. Then use a lighter.
Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 07:00 PM (0S+FC)

Y'all, be nice to Ace. He's trying to learn a new skill.


Posted by: ALH at October 09, 2017 07:03 PM (tlC78)

356 sheesh, Can one of you Nykrs go help ace find the stud?

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2017 07:03 PM (FKrah)

357 So, we blow the NFL


Speak for yourself, son.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at October 09, 2017 07:03 PM (SAlss)

358 It's pretty clear a good chunk of "conservatives" don't give a crap about fighting.

Posted by: MAGA at October 09, 2017 07:04 PM (LnOh3)

359 It is sad because I first started watching pro-football with my family, so there are lot of memories tied up with the NFL of talking or watching games.

But those memories are cherished because of my family. The NFL can go to hell.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 09, 2017 07:04 PM (rb1zT)

360 i don't laugh at aces first shelving experiencing and power tool conquering.
heck i've used all kinds of tools but at one time, I didn't know there was a reverse on a drill.

everyone has been green.
Posted by: willow at October




Well, in fairness, when you started using a drill, reverse meant turning your arm in the other direction.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 09, 2017 07:04 PM (vuY5x)

361 You wouldn't know shit about anything in a courthouse.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at October 09, 2017 07:02 PM (SAlss)
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They got potted plants in a courthouse.

Posted by: Harvey at October 09, 2017 07:04 PM (2mC6G)

362 Can't you move the location of the ?shelf over an inch and use drywall anchors?

Posted by: DangerGirl temporarily lost her SanityProd (tm) at October 09, 2017 07:04 PM (/o9Qk)

363 Entertaining piece, non-Leftists fighting back has given us Gamergate and Comicsgate.

Posted by: waelse1 at October 09, 2017 07:04 PM (T/pW1)

364 Flashlight. Unless you smell gas. Then use a lighter.
Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 07:00 PM (0S+FC)

bwahha, you're incorrigible.

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2017 07:04 PM (FKrah)

365 >>If it is a wood stud, expect to see wood shavings on the drill bit. If it is metal expect metal shavings.


This will only happen if the Drill isn't in reverse, Ace.

Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 07:04 PM (0S+FC)

366 336 >>>>
At this point in a roadrunner cartoon, Wile E ESPN is realizing that he has run off the cliff with the NFL anvil.
.
.
.
.I hit a Road Runner today doing 75mph on US 69 traveling north around Celetse Texas....he did not survive.

Pro Tip: Road Runners are not as fast as they are portrayed in the cartoons.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 09, 2017 07:00 PM (+Dllb)



Phhhhh. Next you'll be telling us that coyotes fall off of cliffs immediately rather than only after they look down.

Posted by: buzzion at October 09, 2017 07:04 PM (z/Ubi)

367 If it is a wood stud and the wall is a load bearing wall, not a partition, the compression load will make it difficult to drill a small (pilot) hole.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at October 09, 2017 07:04 PM (1YEOU)

368 Where the heck did that extra question mark come from?

Posted by: DangerGirl temporarily lost her SanityProd (tm) at October 09, 2017 07:04 PM (/o9Qk)

369 I could just put the drywall anchors into the wall
(and plaster up these old screw-holes) but I really wanted to drill into
the stud for additional strength.





Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 07:02 PM (8rNrN)

That's understandable. Hobos can get pretty huge during the rut.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 09, 2017 07:05 PM (tbOMB)

370 >>>I'm not sure what's going on.

it's not you ace, it's me

Posted by: stud at October 09, 2017 07:05 PM (Fqm+x)

371 Cynthia McKinney (Joo-hating paranoiac as she is) on Twitter was more pro-Trump than not earlier this year, and last year too. She led me to a few stories, that the MSM wasn't touching, that proved correct.

Last year's election was... weird. It sprained my brain to see some of the weird allies we'd got, and the allies we'd lost.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 09, 2017 07:05 PM (6FqZa)

372 Ever get the feeling that the Left has been losing the culture wars since about, oh, November of last year?

Posted by: RI Red at October 09, 2017 07:05 PM (MTg73)

373 Just look at the tip of the drill for any metal shavings after your bit bottoms at the depth you seek.

************

Put--just the tip--in your mouth. Does it taste like metal?

Posted by: Julia Child at October 09, 2017 07:05 PM (qEhxI)

374 I hit a Road Runner today doing 75mph on US 69 traveling north around Celetse Texas.

Superbird or 2nd-gen?

Posted by: punting Plymouths at October 09, 2017 07:05 PM (YyU8T)

375 344 We have to burn the NFL village to save it.

I'm good with that. Conservatives are good at building, and we like doing it. We tear down shit in order to build new shit all the time.

So, we blow the NFL to keep it out of SW hands and then rebuild the way we want it to be.
Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 09, 2017 07:02 PM (3myMJ)



Let's just make sure we assign ace the job of running supplies rather than the construction portion.

Posted by: buzzion at October 09, 2017 07:05 PM (z/Ubi)

376 That is another question, is you neighbor hot? You may want to accidentally drill all the way through the wall.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 09, 2017 07:05 PM (vuY5x)

377 So Jamele attended public schools.

She knows nothing about life, but she sure knows how to roll a condom onto a cucumber!

But little else that human beings face on a daily basis.

Too stupid to survive in the long run.

Never bite the $15 Billion dollar hand that feeds you, especially when they are infested with "xhes" and "xhers".

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at October 09, 2017 07:05 PM (UsCnO)

378 255
If nobody gets on base for any reason (aka. 27 up, 27 down) you have a perfect game.
Posted by: Vendette at October 09, 2017 06:51 PM (T9km


As we learned a few years ago, a perfect game not only requires the pitcher and fielders to be perfect; the umpires must be perfect too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlDTBDJbNE4

Posted by: rickl at October 09, 2017 07:05 PM (sdi6R)

379 In a world gone mad, the crazy people see the truth most clearly.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 09, 2017 07:05 PM (6FqZa)

380 Posted by: Harvey Weintein, Pro Splooger at October 09, 2017 07:02 PM (8gDQ

You guys are cracking me up.

Ace, I'd pay someone to hang the shelves.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 09, 2017 07:06 PM (Ri/rl)

381 This is a support bracket under the shelf. The stud rejects the screw at two positions, one seven or eight inches below the other one.

So I don't think it's a nail, unless I'm just colossally unlucky.


Either a really hard, old wood stud, or a metal stud then. Pilot hole plus self-tapping screws.

You have my sympathy. I've had to install drywall over metal studs and it was a real pill of a job.

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 09, 2017 07:06 PM (bZ7mE)

382 Ace,
Maybe there is treasure sealed inside your walls, like gold bricks.
I recommend tearing all the sheet rock out to investigate.

Posted by: wth at October 09, 2017 07:06 PM (HgMAr)

383 So, I scroll up and what do I see?

Sonobi usually covers everything in its path, but Sonobi goes behind Jemele Hill.

Sonobi is an SJW!

Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 09, 2017 07:06 PM (3myMJ)

384 when drilling your pilot hole after going through the drywall does is feel like your hitting? wood, metal, or masonry? what's being ejected from the hole while drilling?

Posted by: x at October 09, 2017 07:06 PM (nFwvY)

385 are the shelves on a wall backing a bathroom or kitchen plumbing wall?

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2017 07:06 PM (FKrah)

386
Ace will end up buying a standing bookshelf just to hide all the screw holes in the wall

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at October 09, 2017 07:06 PM (lKyWE)

387 >>It's pretty clear a good chunk of "conservatives" don't give a crap about fighting.


Told for too long that we need to be better than the Left, that this is not the hill to die on. Also, they don;t want to be grilled and hated by the MSM, they've been trained to say whatever they most to distance themselves from any icky conservatives who make waves, offend people.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 09, 2017 07:07 PM (W+vEI)

388 Let's just make sure we assign ace the job of running supplies rather than the construction portion.
Posted by: buzzion at October




Don't put him in charge of drilling the holes for the demolition charges.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 09, 2017 07:07 PM (vuY5x)

389 I'd like to see you big studly DIY guys in a court of law, arguing a case.

Actually, I'd rather see you at my house with my honey-do list in your hands, but leave ace alone.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at October 09, 2017 07:02 PM (SAlss)


My daughter called me one day, in tears. She was selling her house. Some 'home inspector' tore her place to absolute shreds. Fifty plus pages of issues. I told her I'd be there the next day. It took two days.

She now lives far away. I think I shot myself in the foot, but she's happy. Such is life.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at October 09, 2017 07:07 PM (EgwCt)

390 115. Jerry Jones is more leveraged to the hilt than the NFL. He's still paying for that ridiculous stadium that was built at the height of the real estate bubble (think construction material costs) and this shit isn't helping.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at October 09, 2017 07:07 PM (63oy9)

391 jerry jones was all on his knees just the other day like a two dollar hooker

nfl trash is trashy

this is a truism

Posted by: happyfeet at October 09, 2017 07:07 PM (mLfQi)

392 It's too bad Andrew Breitbart is dead. Five minutes with Andrew and Jerry Jones would have been tuned in on how the Left was pulling his strings and how he was painting himself into a very uncomfy corner. But alas and alack, AB is no longer with us, and JJ step in the flaming bag of dog poo with both feet.

Posted by: Jeffersonian at October 09, 2017 07:07 PM (E+8cn)

393 okay, walk me through this: How would I see into that tiny little hole? Just a flashlight and I could see if it's metal or wood?



Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 06:53 PM (8rNrN)
No, anytime you drill a hole, what comes out through the slots on the drill bit is ejecta. If you're drilling wood, wood shavings come out. If you're drilling drywall, paper and plaster come out. If you're drilling metal, metal shavings come out. A drill bit removes what it's biting through by moving the material back toward the driller.

Posted by: Old Blue at October 09, 2017 07:08 PM (gEvQ8)

394 Jemele you are obviously not the sharpest crayon in the ESPN box. And that is saying something since most of the ESPN on air "personalities" are serious contenders for the Dumb Doofus of the Year award.

That said--ESPN's content is sports. Here's a hot tip for you. Many NFL fans, myself included, have decided they aren't going to be watching the NFL anymore. Advertisers pay for eyeballs on the screen (which is a major source of revenue for your probably soon to be ex-employer). The NFL owners are taking it in the revenue shorts with lost attendance. Advertisers are going to figure that it's not worth buying ads on ESPN---which means your employer is going to be taking it in the revenue shorts. And now you are calling for a boycott of those self same advertisers--they will lose money, they will not buy ads, ESPN's revenues will take a well deserved dive.

Jamele, just how stupid do you have to be to do what you just did? I'm already not watching the NFL--still do like to watch college football. But if college football is on ESPN, then maybe I better not watch ESPN.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at October 09, 2017 07:08 PM (Sda6L)

395 Or put your tongue in the hole--see what you get...

Posted by: Julia Child at October 09, 2017 07:09 PM (qEhxI)

396 So have you considered that 3m sticky stuff for hanging your shelves?

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 09, 2017 07:09 PM (vuY5x)

397
Most plumbing is more than a screws depth away. Electrical support for boxes? Sometimes they nail them to the front of the stud. 1/8th inch X one inch plus of good metal.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at October 09, 2017 07:09 PM (EgwCt)

398 >>I was thinking it would be nice if someone who lived nearby could go and help ace out. I'm 250 miles away and know probably about as much as ace about this stuff but I could make him a nice meal while he yells at the drill and all.

I'd help him but I want this to be a time for ace to experience some personal growth and a sense of accomplishment.

Also, I have no idea where he is so I'm off the hook. Or the shelf as the case may be.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 09, 2017 07:09 PM (/tuJf)

399 Ouch, ugly fielding by the Nationals. So bad

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 09, 2017 07:09 PM (39g3+)

400 As we learned a few years ago, a perfect game not
only requires the pitcher and fielders to be perfect; the umpires must
be perfect too.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlDTBDJbNE4

Posted by: rickl at October 09, 2017 07:05 PM (sdi6R)

That too. I know exactly what play you're talking about. A couple years later the same ump performed CPR on a Diamondbacks' employee and saved her life.

Posted by: Vendette at October 09, 2017 07:09 PM (T9km8)

401 Let's just make sure we assign ace the job of running supplies rather than the construction portion.
Posted by: buzzion at October 09, 2017 07:05 PM (z/Ubi)

We let him drive???

Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 09, 2017 07:09 PM (3myMJ)

402 >>>Second Tier blogger drowns in bedroom after flooding
apartment building while attempting to put up shelving.<<<

I
watched a co-worker drill into a hot MCC three phase bus trying to
mount a relay in a motor starter bucket after I warned him not to do
it. The drill made contact with one of the 277VAC phases and BOOM! Arc
flash, vaporized drill bit, hole blown in the starter bucket sheet
metal, drill motor chuck welded to sheet metal, and half of all of the
hair on his head including eyebrow and eyelashes burned to a crisp. He
got lucky, he lived.

Don't hit any Romex.

Posted by: Fritz at October 09, 2017 07:10 PM (3ubcI)

403 To be fair, this months long project would drive most people to become alcoholics by now.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 09, 2017 07:10 PM (XFue2)

404 >>>Bullying a bully isn't bullying -- it's just kicking a would-be bully in the ass for a while until he stops bullying.


Self defense isn't assault, although the individual action involved (smashing someone over the head) might be the same.

It's perfectly legal, it's perfectly "according to the rules". It's not a case of hypocrisy, or "two wrongs don't make a right", or "abandoning our principles". Conservatives too often seem to forget this.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 09, 2017 07:10 PM (/qEW2)

405 Posted by: UGAdawg at October 09, 2017 07:01 PM (tRd71)

I had Sports Illustrated until about 10 years ago when their cover article was about global warming. Leftists destroy everything, including sports magazines.

Posted by: waelse1 at October 09, 2017 07:10 PM (T/pW1)

406 Pouring in NYC...Why the F are they playing this game?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 09, 2017 07:10 PM (SjImc)

407 i wonder if he is hitting an old electric box. or neighbors electric box, how are those old apts built anyway?

is it an old apt, and is he putting shelves on a wall that retains plumbing or gas fixtures?

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2017 07:10 PM (FKrah)

408 Some friends visiting from New Yawk a few years back (at least the daughter) were fairly surprised to find out roadrunners were a real bird. We saw some on a sight-seeing drive to the desert. Very real, just no "meep meep!", I explained.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 09, 2017 07:11 PM (QDnY+)

409 You might as well go with the drywall anchors before you burn the place down. Or flood it. Or end up in your neighbor's apartment.


I'm just thankful my dad was a handy guy and taught me all this stuff in my younger years.

Posted by: DangerGirl temporarily lost her SanityProd (tm) at October 09, 2017 07:11 PM (/o9Qk)

410 What's this about Ace tearing up the apartment?

Posted by: Ace's landlord at October 09, 2017 07:11 PM (HgMAr)

411 I'm ready to fight The Left and that means in the streets also

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 09, 2017 07:11 PM (SjImc)

412 Ouch, ugly fielding by the Nationals. So bad
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 09, 2017 07:09 PM (39g3+)
--------

Right? Nothing like having the three of them standing there, watching the ball drop right in between them. Ugh.

Posted by: bluebell at October 09, 2017 07:11 PM (UoSKV)

413 ok ace, maybe do a cleat. run a board across studs you know exist, than screw shelves into the cleat?

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2017 07:12 PM (FKrah)

414 305 i don't laugh at aces first shelving experiencing and power tool conquering.
heck i've used all kinds of tools but at one time, I didn't know there was a reverse on a drill.

everyone has been green.
Posted by: willow at October 09, 2017 06:56 PM (FKrah)



I don't even want to admit the mistakes I make...still. Though they keep my friends entertained...especially the male variety. I end up laughing at myself after the swearing stops and the injuries abate.

I am laughing at Ace. But I've put myself in the corner for it.

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla aka Pandora's hope jar at October 09, 2017 07:12 PM (6CZio)

415 >>>Can't you move the location of the ?shelf over an inch and use drywall anchors?

1, i'm not moving shit. Phase 1 is done.

2, I used drywall anchors for one side of it. But I want to put heavy books on the shelves so I want this underneath bracket support for additional support, and I wanted to put that into a stud, to make sure it holds fast.

I could just move these brackets to the non-stud part and use the drywall anchors. But I kinda would just like to make this stud do what studs are supposed to freakin' do.

Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 07:12 PM (8rNrN)

416 What's this about Ace tearing up the apartment?
Posted by: Ace's landlord at October 09, 2017 07:11 PM (HgMAr)

I'm good at tearing things up..not so good at putting things back together except in the mouth

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 09, 2017 07:12 PM (SjImc)

417 No, anytime you drill a hole, what comes out through
the slots on the drill bit is ejecta. If you're drilling wood, wood
shavings come out. If you're drilling drywall, paper and plaster come
out. If you're drilling metal, metal shavings come out. A drill bit
removes what it's biting through by moving the material back toward the
driller.


Posted by: Old Blue at October 09, 2017 07:08 PM (gEvQ

Yes, Ace. Study your ejecta. Like Einstein contemplating a unified theory.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 09, 2017 07:12 PM (tbOMB)

418 401 Let's just make sure we assign ace the job of running supplies rather than the construction portion.
Posted by: buzzion at October 09, 2017 07:05 PM (z/Ubi)

We let him drive???
Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 09, 2017 07:09 PM (3myMJ)



A New Yorker drive? Oh come on. He can sit in the passenger seat and help with the loading and unloading of the supplies.

Posted by: buzzion at October 09, 2017 07:13 PM (z/Ubi)

419 were fairly surprised to find out roadrunners were a real bird.

Yeah they eat snakes, but leave coyotes alone. Cool birds, just nothing like the cartoon

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 09, 2017 07:13 PM (39g3+)

420 Ace having trouble with a home improvement project? What's he doing? Rewiring? Updating the plumbing? Is he staying hydrated?

Posted by: Weasel at October 09, 2017 07:13 PM (Sfs6o)

421 he could just watch a 2 minute youtube and try to imitate the guy in the video.

Posted by: x at October 09, 2017 07:13 PM (nFwvY)

422 I'm imagining a Buster Keaton kind of scenario right now.

Posted by: Insomniac - The Left Hates You and Wants You to Die at October 09, 2017 07:13 PM (NWiLs)

423 i'm not fond of anchors with shelves unless it is nicnacks, not shelves bearing loads of books,

unless books remains on botton shelves.

i guess he doesnt have toddlers trying to climb shelves, that's a plus

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2017 07:13 PM (FKrah)

424 >>>ok ace, maybe do a cleat. run a board across studs you know exist, than screw shelves into the cleat?

nah, like, the shelves are already up, i'm just trying to put in an under-support so I can actually *put stuff on them.*

I don't want to take the down to run a cleat.

Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 07:13 PM (8rNrN)

425 I could just move these brackets to the non-stud part and use the drywall anchors. But I kinda would just like to make this stud do what studs are supposed to freakin' do.

Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 07:12 PM (8rNrN)



Steal your girl, push you to the ground and kick sand in your face?

Posted by: buzzion at October 09, 2017 07:13 PM (z/Ubi)

426 I wonder if it's because Ace lives in the city.
I have a plumber friend, a concrete friend, a construction friend, landscape architect friend, architect friend, an electrician friend.

I could keep going.

I'd have my mechanic install the shelves.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 09, 2017 07:14 PM (Ri/rl)

427 an important second-tier blogger as

Do us commenters get tiers too or is it all cardboard.
More importantly - who drilled the holes to hold the tiers to the wall?

Posted by: DaveA at October 09, 2017 07:14 PM (FhXTo)

428 I'm imagining a Buster Keaton kind of scenario right now.

Its not complete until the entire front wall falls off, and he survives because he's standing where a window goes over him

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 09, 2017 07:14 PM (39g3+)

429 if you strike oil?

Stop Drilling.

Posted by: Mortimer-Finish Her! at October 09, 2017 07:14 PM (dciZN)

430 DangerGirl is handy with tooks.
That's hawt.

Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at October 09, 2017 07:14 PM (hMwEB)

431 'Pulling Muscles Hanging Shelves'

Posted by: SQUEEZE at October 09, 2017 07:14 PM (0S+FC)

432 Working in apartments in NYC is never easy. Neighbor bitched days on end when I installed our floor safe.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 09, 2017 06:54 PM (vuY5x)



I am literally choking.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 09, 2017 07:14 PM (60v4h)

433 Yes, Ace. Study your ejecta. Like Einstein contemplating a unified theory.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 09, 2017 07:12 PM (tbOMB)

Study my ejecta if you want the part!

Posted by: Harvey Weinstein at October 09, 2017 07:15 PM (NWiLs)

434 Jmeal- I boycott you in general

Posted by: Ben Had at October 09, 2017 07:15 PM (pzns9)

435
I could just move these brackets to the non-stud part and use the drywall anchors. But I kinda would just like to make this stud do what studs are supposed to freakin' do.

-------------------------------


But maybe it isn't a stud. Especially if it is only an inch wide?

Posted by: DangerGirl temporarily lost her SanityProd (tm) at October 09, 2017 07:15 PM (/o9Qk)

436 Hill should be fired.

This is brilliant and true:

"Pro-Tip to corporations: Social Justice Warriors do not care about
the health of your company. They only care about perverting your company
into becoming a propaganda mill for their hard-left agitation.


And if your company should wither and die due to this transformation -- Good.
In their mind, a business only justifies its existence to the precise
extent it is perverted into being a leftist propaganda outfit.


If they kill the company outright, that's fine -- it's a lesson for
the others, and it's just one more Capitalist Running Dog corporation to
add to the bonfire."
Marvel's problem is listening to the suits at Disney. Disney is the problem. Just as BSPN followed Disney's lead.

Posted by: Locke Common at October 09, 2017 07:15 PM (pYsP+)

437 As said above the focus group results and polls are in. Plus they are seeing the ratings, and advertisers are probably demanding refunds.

They would like to get the players to stop and hope the public just forgets as the season goes on.

But I think the only way out of this PR nightmare is to do a full on apology. Owners and some high profile players would need to publicly say "we were wrong, please forgive us".

That will never happen though, professional football players aren't known for their grasp of the value of humility.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 09, 2017 07:15 PM (wfDW1)

438 If you want a job done right, you've got to hire a professional, or do it yourself.
Into a potted plant.

Posted by: Harvey Weinstein at October 09, 2017 07:15 PM (HgMAr)

439 gumdrop, the best source of new information is actually here, the Rons walked me through replacing piping and plumbing in my leaking bathroom wall.

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2017 07:15 PM (FKrah)

440 Steal your girl, push you to the ground and kick sand in your face?
Posted by: buzzion at October 09, 2017 07:13 PM (z/Ubi)
---
I used to have that problem!

Posted by: Charles Atlas Carpenter at October 09, 2017 07:15 PM (2mC6G)

441 430 DangerGirl is handy with tooks.
That's hawt.
Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at October 09, 2017 07:14 PM (hMwEB)

Got her number?

Posted by: Peregrin Took at October 09, 2017 07:15 PM (NWiLs)

442 Well, here we go again.

Posted by: bluebell at October 09, 2017 07:16 PM (UoSKV)

443 At this point, it might just be easier to hire a Dicksonian street urchin, and have him hold up Ace's shelves on a permanent basis.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at October 09, 2017 07:16 PM (3Vlkn)

444 >>I could just move these brackets to the non-stud part and use the drywall anchors. But I kinda would just like to make this stud do what studs are supposed to freakin' do.

I hung some shelves in my tackle room that are made out of metal piping with thick, cherry shelves. The shelving alone must weigh in excess of 50 lbs. And that doesn't include all the crap I put on them.

And they are hung with anchors. They aren't going anywhere.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 09, 2017 07:16 PM (/tuJf)

445 LOL

Tools
not Tooks

but Pippin was a cute Took.

Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at October 09, 2017 07:16 PM (hMwEB)

446 ESPN sold their soul when they gave Bruce Jenner the courage award for cutting his own dick off. They did that in exchange for ABC getting the first post-dick interview.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at October 09, 2017 07:16 PM (63oy9)

447 Okay, here's the thing. I'm on east coast time now, so a timely ONT would be much appreciated . . . I LOVE YOU GUYS!!!

Posted by: Indiana Peaches - finest kind at October 09, 2017 07:16 PM (14URa)

448 Been a while since I've seen a roadrunner. On the way to the range, which is a pretty undeveloped area. Nice big male, with colored plumage on the back - he thoughtfully ran ahead of me for 20-30 yards, before darting off the side of the road into the chapparal, which allowed a nice look. When I was a little kid we had them in the backyard.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 09, 2017 07:16 PM (QDnY+)

449 Well shit, I didn't know about phase one.


*out of the loop*

Posted by: DangerGirl temporarily lost her SanityProd (tm) at October 09, 2017 07:17 PM (/o9Qk)

450 As I was saying earlier I had one of Hill's ESPN colleagues in the chair tonight. He was uncharacistaclly quite

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 09, 2017 07:17 PM (SjImc)

451 I could keep going.



I'd have my mechanic install the shelves.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 09, 2017 07:14 PM (Ri/rl)

You have boobs. Ace is on his own.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 09, 2017 07:17 PM (tbOMB)

452
I'm thinking smaller drills are your friend. Get a 1/16" hole into the area. Then 1/8". Then probably a 3/16''.

Most water lines, A/C, gas, electric, are coded to be set far away from experienced shelf installers.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at October 09, 2017 07:17 PM (EgwCt)

453 Why is this crackhead even on television let alone a fucking sports network?

Her body looks like biscuit gravy in a burlap bag.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 09, 2017 07:17 PM (4ErVI)

454 Okay, here's the thing. I'm on east coast time now, so a timely ONT would be much appreciated . . . I LOVE YOU GUYS!!!

Posted by: Indiana Peaches - finest kind at October 09, 2017 07:16 PM (14URa)

YAY! Peaches in Indy!
How are the kittehs?

Posted by: Vendette at October 09, 2017 07:18 PM (T9km8)

455 Peaches! Welcome to my time zone! I think you're in my time zone, anyway.

Glad you got there!

Posted by: bluebell at October 09, 2017 07:18 PM (UoSKV)

456 I wish the FOX guys on the baseball game would STFU

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 09, 2017 07:18 PM (SjImc)

457 ace ok, no cleat all the way across, what about a cleat under one of the higher shelves same width as interior of shelf screw to studs you know and than through shelf

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2017 07:18 PM (FKrah)

458 This is going to go down with the "Kaboom" thread as one for the HQ Hall of Fame.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 09, 2017 07:18 PM (PY9jH)

459 Has Mr. O'Spades considered cinder blocks and boards for the shelving?

Posted by: Weasel at October 09, 2017 07:18 PM (Sfs6o)

460 447 Okay, here's the thing. I'm on east coast time now, so a timely ONT would be much appreciated . . . I LOVE YOU GUYS!!!
Posted by: Indiana Peaches - finest kind at October 09, 2017 07:16 PM (14URa)

The Peaches has landed?

Posted by: Insomniac - The Left Hates You and Wants You to Die at October 09, 2017 07:19 PM (NWiLs)

461 How many etchings are in your collection, that you need all this shelving?

Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 07:19 PM (0S+FC)

462 A sex robot could do your shelving.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 09, 2017 07:19 PM (XFue2)

463 okay I have a question. I've now upgraded a second time to a hammer drill. To get these fucking screws to finally go in.

Now, when I drill into the stud, well, it won't go into the stud. The screws are completely blocked after just getting through the drywall.

Is there a chance there's some kind of metal cladding or bracket on these studs at the places I'm drilling?

I just don't get it. I'm beyond frustrated.

I'm trying to put up additional supports on the studs because you monsters really freaked me out telling me "those shelves are coming down."

But I cannot put a damn screw through this stud.

BTW, this a a wall that adjoins to the next apartment. I don't see any power outlets on the stud so I don't think I'm hitting something like metal tubing around electrical wires.



Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 06:40 PM (8rNrN)



Those are galvanized steel studs. Not wood.

You need self-tapping sheet metal screws. Tell the hardware store you're installing into galvanized steel studs behind the sheetrock.

They'll not only sell you the right stuff, but also can tell you the approximate RPM to run the drill, and etc.

If you get a chance, pull up some You Tube video on installing those studs in new construction. You'll get a better idea of what you're up against.

Good luck!




Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at October 09, 2017 07:19 PM (MGCfm)

464 This play always work. Change happens when advertisers are impacted. If you feel strongly about JJ's statement, boycott his advertisers. https://t.co/LFXJ9YQe74
-- Jemele Hill (@jemelehill) October 9, 2017


Does this play always works?

IIRC after Rush called Sandra Fluke a slut, he lost a few advertisers. He's still on the air, saying the same things. Fluke lost the election. No real change there.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 09, 2017 07:19 PM (/qEW2)

465 448 Been a while since I've seen a roadrunner. On the way to the range, which is a pretty undeveloped area. Nice big male, with colored plumage on the back - he thoughtfully ran ahead of me for 20-30 yards, before darting off the side of the road into the chapparal, which allowed a nice look. When I was a little kid we had them in the backyard.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 09, 2017 07:16 PM (QDnY+)

I see them on the ranch. The ones in the desert are bigger.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 09, 2017 07:19 PM (Ri/rl)

466 Caulking and paint
For the carpenters we ain't

Posted by: wth at October 09, 2017 07:19 PM (HgMAr)

467 The easiest solution is going to be to get rid of this defective wall and put up a new one from Ikea.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 09, 2017 07:19 PM (oVJmc)

468
I'm handy with potted plants.

Posted by: Big Harvey at October 09, 2017 07:19 PM (8O3HH)

469 ace, just ram something through your neighbor's wall and go, "Oops. My bad."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 09, 2017 07:19 PM (PY9jH)

470 "I am just about done with "conservative" I am digging "sane libertarian."
Posted by: sven10077 at October 09, 2017 06:35 PM (SzZnW)"


I've been calling myself a "Jeffersonian" for a couple of years now, on the rare occasions that anyone asks.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/7 at October 09, 2017 07:19 PM (z3Hmr)

471 I am an expert at hanging shelves. My kid had heart surgery.

Posted by: Jimmy Kimmel at October 09, 2017 07:19 PM (SkuXa)

472 462 A sex robot could do your shelving.
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 09, 2017 07:19 PM (XFue2)


Eh. Choreplay is something they made up for Cosmo.

Posted by: Insomniac - The Left Hates You and Wants You to Die at October 09, 2017 07:19 PM (NWiLs)

473 I like tooks. And tools.

Posted by: DangerGirl temporarily lost her SanityProd (tm) at October 09, 2017 07:20 PM (/o9Qk)

474 443 At this point, it might just be easier to hire a Dicksonian street urchin, and have him hold up Ace's shelves on a permanent basis.
Posted by: Walter Freeman at October 09, 2017 07:16 PM (3Vlkn)

*************

Or he coulda just bought a Kindle.

Posted by: Julia Child at October 09, 2017 07:20 PM (qEhxI)

475 Peaches!

Posted by: mpfs, Not My Circus..Not My Sonobis at October 09, 2017 07:20 PM (79p/O)

476 Flying the "W" at least one more night.

Posted by: Son of Sam the Butcher at October 09, 2017 07:20 PM (VJBq9)

477
We aren't hearing anything about what's going on within the teams, and in the locker rooms. I think the owners and coaches are trying to keep these teams ready to play but I think there has to be a lot of tension between the kneelers and the proper behavers. Especially the white behavers. My guess is that unity on the teams is non-existent at this time.

Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 09, 2017 07:20 PM (3myMJ)

478 Ace - depending on how old your place is, you might even have hardwood studs, and that will cause these sorts of problems just trying to screw into them. the screws getting hot is an indication.

You have to drill a pilot hole - a hole a bit smaller than the screw so that the spiral will still bite and hold, but let you screw all the way in.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at October 09, 2017 07:20 PM (Bl5Zt)

479 I had a gig as a FiOS network tech, you wouldn't believe how many times the installers would burn, flood or blow up a house by continuing to drill against resistance beyond common sense... electric mains, plumbing, hot water tanks, nat gas pipes, furnaces... all kinds of stuff inside or on the other side of the walls.

Posted by: A Lurker at October 09, 2017 07:21 PM (bemR5)

480 Even people standing up and fighting back is not enough.
The People's representatives in the State governments have to stand up and "push back twice as hard".

I said the same with North Carolina and the NCAA pulling championship games: if they want a boycott, give it to them.
If the NFL wants to get uppity, Texas should ban them from Texas. All NFL products. All NFL broadcasts. Give the Cowboys, and Jerry Jones, a big fat boot out the door.
I'm sure there is plenty of high school football in Texas to keep fans going until a new professional league can be set up.

Until government demonstrates to corporations that the corporations are not too big to fail, or to do without, then it won't matter what individuals do, corporations will still be Factions stronger than political parties.

Posted by: Sam at October 09, 2017 07:21 PM (J87Sn)

481 Welp, both teams I rooted for today lost by one run.

Shall I root for the Yankees tonight?

Posted by: bluebell at October 09, 2017 07:21 PM (UoSKV)

482 OT for the shelf thread, but it looks like the Cubs won.

Posted by: rickl at October 09, 2017 07:21 PM (sdi6R)

483 "That will never happen though, professional football players aren't known for their grasp of the value of humility."

Not only are they not known for humility, but as said elsewhere, the players who are bought into the protest will actively retaliate on field against anyone who they see as selling them out. Why do you think Villanueva walked his statement back like such a bitch? Not because he was afraid of getting fired - certainly another team would have signed him. I am willing to bet that some of the players pulled him aside and told him that they were going to gun for his knees in practice, or whatever. That isn't just his job, that is his livelihood and quality of life. And it wouldn't take much, and could easily be done in the course of "normal" play, and probably without penalty. "Whoops, my shoe got stuck on the turf and so I fell into him. Sucks his knee bent sideways 90 degrees."

No way ANY players stand up strongly enough to walk this back.

And they can all go to hell.

Posted by: One at October 09, 2017 07:21 PM (RYASC)

484 Jamele, just how stupid do you have to be to do what you just did?

Posted by: Comanche Voter at October 09, 2017 07:08 PM (Sda6L)

Not as dumb as us!!!

Posted by: NFL Kneelers Assn at October 09, 2017 07:21 PM (48QDY)

485 469 ace, just ram something through your neighbor's wall and go, "Oops. My bad."
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 09, 2017 07:19 PM (PY9jH)


Like his wang?

Posted by: Insomniac - The Left Hates You and Wants You to Die at October 09, 2017 07:21 PM (NWiLs)

486 Gah. I've been nauseated all day, but I managed to make an Italian pot roast.

Now, to try to serve it.

Ugh.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 09, 2017 07:21 PM (PY9jH)

487 ugh, still not fond of anchors in drywall. not with heavy heavy stuff, of course i'm used to kids trying wall climbing . so maybe i'm just a spaz.

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2017 07:22 PM (FKrah)

488 We aren't hearing anything about what's going on
within the teams, and in the locker rooms. I think the owners and
coaches are trying to keep these teams ready to play but I think there
has to be a lot of tension between the kneelers and the proper behavers.
Especially the white behavers. My guess is that unity on the teams is
non-existent at this time.

Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 09, 2017 07:20 PM (3myMJ)


If I recall, the 49ers are 2-19 since Kaepernick first knelt down. Imagine that locker room.

Posted by: Vendette at October 09, 2017 07:22 PM (T9km8)

489 >>a hole a bit smaller than the screw so that the spiral will still bite and hold, but let you screw all the way in.


Woah, Buddy -


Save that shit for the ONT.

There's wimmenfolk abouts.

Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 07:22 PM (0S+FC)

490 First, it's like fuckin' paradise here. Just watching the sun set over the pond. Second, it all looks like the Desperate Housewives set . . . cookie cutter, perfect in every way. I love it!! Third, Ace needs a handyman, it's like if the plumber had a great idea for a blog. People need to stick to their strengths. Madre de dies, I will pray for Ace's wellbeing tonight.

Posted by: Indiana Peaches - finest kind at October 09, 2017 07:22 PM (14URa)

491 Jane, pregnant?

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2017 07:22 PM (FKrah)

492 Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at October 09, 2017 07:07 PM (EgwCt)


LOL!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at October 09, 2017 07:23 PM (SAlss)

493 "The Peaches has landed?"

*have* landed?

Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 09, 2017 07:23 PM (3myMJ)

494 489 >>a hole a bit smaller than the screw so that the spiral will still bite and hold, but let you screw all the way in.


Woah, Buddy -


Save that shit for the ONT.

There's wimmenfolk abouts.
Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 07:22 PM (0S+FC)

What're you talking about? They love it and they know it.

Posted by: Insomniac - The Left Hates You and Wants You to Die at October 09, 2017 07:23 PM (NWiLs)

495 491
Jane, pregnant?

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2017 07:22 PM (FKrah)


WUT? I'd laugh, but I'm too nauseated.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 09, 2017 07:23 PM (PY9jH)

496 NGU, really? You had an ESJWPNer in the chair? Did you seize the opportunity to install a secret chip so we can control his thoughts remotely? Plus, I'm confused (more than usual) - is this guy in the Navy? Why would you be working on him?

Posted by: rhomboid at October 09, 2017 07:23 PM (QDnY+)

497 I had Sports Illustrated until about 10 years ago when their cover article was about global warming. Leftists destroy everything, including sports magazines.

Posted by: waelse1 at October 09, 2017 07:10 PM (T/pW1)


Are you some kind of a fag? That was far more erotic than any of their swimsuit issues.

Posted by: Al Gore at October 09, 2017 07:23 PM (/qEW2)

498 Peaches! Glad you are settled in!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 09, 2017 07:24 PM (PY9jH)

499 Posted by: Indiana Peaches - finest kind at October 09, 2017 07:22 PM (14URa)


PEACHES!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am SO SO SO happy!


How are Teh Kittehs??

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at October 09, 2017 07:24 PM (SAlss)

500 >>You have to drill a pilot hole


Every time I read this advice, I picture an Ewok dressing up like Snoopy aboard his Sopwith Camel before trying to hang his shelving.

Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 07:24 PM (0S+FC)

501 Peaches!

I heard Ken of John and Ken at KFI read your email on the radio. They were talking about the amout of residents leaving the state. I knew it was you the moment he read your email!!

Posted by: mpfs, Not My Circus..Not My Sonobis at October 09, 2017 07:24 PM (79p/O)

502 493 "The Peaches has landed?"

*have* landed?
Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 09, 2017 07:23 PM (3myMJ)

Peaches in this case is a name of a singular person, not a reference to more than one piece of fruit known as a peach. Hence "has."

Posted by: Insomniac - The Left Hates You and Wants You to Die at October 09, 2017 07:24 PM (NWiLs)

503 Aw, Peaches...congratulations!!!

Posted by: DangerGirl temporarily lost her SanityProd (tm) at October 09, 2017 07:24 PM (/o9Qk)

504 If I recall, the 49ers are 2-19 since Kaepernick first knelt down. Imagine that locker room.
Posted by: Vendette

Ow. Ow. Ow. Ow. +15.

Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 09, 2017 07:25 PM (3myMJ)

505 Just to be clear: Who's going to boycott anything just because Jemele Hill tells them to?

Posted by: ustuplay at October 09, 2017 07:25 PM (olvG6)

506 Jane,

Drink a Coke if you have one in the house. Over crushed ice is best.

Posted by: mpfs, Not My Circus..Not My Sonobis at October 09, 2017 07:25 PM (79p/O)

507 NGU, really? You had an ESJWPNer in the chair? Did you seize the opportunity to install a secret chip so we can control his thoughts remotely? Plus, I'm confused (more than usual) - is this guy in the Navy? Why would you be working on him?
Posted by: rhomboid at October 09, 2017 07:23 PM (QDnY+)

I'm in The Reserves, although because of what I do I am in Uniform about 130 days a year. This is my private office.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 09, 2017 07:25 PM (SjImc)

508 Meremortal - your NFL prophecy seems to be playing out. No escape!

Peaches - welcome to IN! I mean, I'm not there (I'm close to where you just left), but glad to hear you made it to America.

In celebration of your departure, CA is burning to the ground, and also seceding from the union. Or things close to that.






Posted by: rhomboid at October 09, 2017 07:26 PM (QDnY+)

509 There is no shame in duct tape,ace..

Posted by: Mortimer-Finish Her! at October 09, 2017 07:26 PM (dciZN)

510 I had a gig as a FiOS network tech, you wouldn't believe how many times the installers would burn, flood or blow up a house by continuing to drill against resistance beyond common sense... electric mains, plumbing, hot water tanks, nat gas pipes, furnaces... all kinds of stuff inside or on the other side of the walls.

Posted by: A Lurker at October 09, 2017 07:21 PM (bemR5)


But Top Men, I repeat Top Men have certified that lame shit like that does not occur in construction.

That stuff is not supposed to be on the other side of 1/2 or 5/8th inch drywall.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at October 09, 2017 07:26 PM (EgwCt)

511 if i weren't married i'd offer to show ace how to hang shelves, for a ticket and a steak dinner.

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2017 07:26 PM (FKrah)

512
447 Okay, here's the thing. I'm on east coast time now, so a timely ONT would be much appreciated . . . I LOVE YOU GUYS!!!
Posted by: Indiana Peaches - finest kind at October 09, 2017 07:16 PM (14URa)
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Congratulations! I can recommend a couple of rifle ranges in central and southern Indiana, if you're interested.

Posted by: Weasel at October 09, 2017 07:26 PM (Sfs6o)

513 Oh, Jane, 95 percent of my shit is still in the rental truck in the drive. One more night on the air mattresses (which are only marginally better than the actual floor). But I have internet and tv and, if I ever find them again, phones. Both of the FOs made it, I am so blessed. They're not super happy but they're here and both huddled together under a tiny footstool. The term "scaredy cat" did not come out of nowhere. So happy to see y'all. My new pad is pretty elfin amazing!

Posted by: Indiana Peaches - finest kind at October 09, 2017 07:26 PM (14URa)

514 "Peaches in this case is a name of a singular person, not a reference to more than one"

...asset?

Mkay.

Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 09, 2017 07:26 PM (3myMJ)

515 I am willing to bet that some of the players pulled him aside and told him that they were going to gun for his knees in practice, or whatever. That isn't just his job, that is his livelihood and quality of life. And it wouldn't take much, and could easily be done in the course of "normal" play, and probably without penalty.

Posted by: One at October 09, 2017 07:21 PM (RYASC)
---
I take it you didn't hear about what happened to Derek Carr after he was the only (white) guy to stand for the National Anthem. His OL just let guys hit him. His normally-reliable center snapped the ball when Carr wasn't ready, into his knees 3 times.

Posted by: Charles Atlas Carpenter at October 09, 2017 07:26 PM (2mC6G)

516 A lubricant (don't go there, Horde!) on the screw threads can also be helpful; candle wax, beeswax, or soap will all work well.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/7 at October 09, 2017 07:26 PM (z3Hmr)

517 >>I had a gig as a FiOS network tech, you wouldn't believe how many times the installers would burn, flood or blow up a house by continuing to drill against resistance beyond common sense... electric mains, plumbing, hot water tanks, nat gas pipes, furnaces... all kinds of stuff inside or on the other side of the walls.

My folks had an old farm. When I say old, I'm talking built in the early 1700s. Even had an attached two seater outhouse. Why two seats in an outhouse I never did find out.

My dad and I did most of the updating which means i did most of the grunt work. When I tore out the old horse hair plaster all kinds of shit came tumbling out of those walls. Corn cobs, straw, you name it. 18th century insulation. It did not work.

There wasn't a nail in the entire original construction. Everything was mortise and tendon joints and wooden pegs and the entire house was built around an enormous center chimney that fed every room.

Cool place. I will never remodel another house.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 09, 2017 07:26 PM (/tuJf)

518 jane, ginger tea.

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2017 07:26 PM (FKrah)

519 How much should Trump's EPA fine California for all that carbon being released in their annual out-of-control wildfires?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 09, 2017 07:27 PM (oVJmc)

520 reading ESPNs Twitter feed is pretty funny. they have a shit ton of angry SJWs saying they're not going to watch ESPN anymore, and conservatives saying "Why didn't you fire her like you canned Shilling?"

So they've pissed off both sides now. Hahaha!

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V. at October 09, 2017 07:27 PM (P8951)

521 Peaches you made it.

Glad you are at your new home.

You simply must try:

Montana Mike's

Lee's Famous Recipe

White Castle

and "Chicago's"

Head towards Dayton Ohio and you can try Cassano's.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 09, 2017 07:27 PM (SzZnW)

522 Hi Peaches! Best wishes for getting settled soon! Let the nesting begin.

Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 09, 2017 07:27 PM (3myMJ)

523 darn it, i was hoping we'd be naming a Doh baby.

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2017 07:28 PM (FKrah)

524 There is no shame in duct tape,ace..

Posted by: Mortimer-Finish Her! at October 09, 2017 07:26 PM (dciZN)
............

especially when you're working on cars. I once made a fan belt out of a bungee cord for my Datsun pickup.

Posted by: wth at October 09, 2017 07:28 PM (HgMAr)

525 There is no shame in duct tape,ace..

Posted by: Mortimer-Finish Her! at October 09, 2017 07:26 PM (dciZN)
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That would have Red Green's stamp of approval.

Posted by: Axeman at October 09, 2017 07:28 PM (2mC6G)

526 reading ESPNs Twitter feed is pretty funny. they have a shit ton of angry SJWs saying they're not going to watch ESPN anymore, and conservatives saying "Why didn't you fire her like you canned Shilling?"

So they've pissed off both sides now. Hahaha!
Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V. at October 09, 2017 07:27 PM (P8951)

Which is why any company with 1/2 a brain stays out of politics, but nooooooo the left thinks they can have it both ways. Good fuck em...I hope they go out of business

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 09, 2017 07:28 PM (SjImc)

527 mpfs, I heard it, too! Then they were all, oh, big mistake. Dumbass mofos. Oh, swell, I have auto-cucumber on the laptop. And I can't copy & paste. Plus, totally wasted in every way. Just so happy to be back in the warm, hairy bosom of the horde. :-)

Posted by: Indiana Peaches - finest kind at October 09, 2017 07:28 PM (14URa)

528 "...and this shit isn't helping."

Aww, let's all feel sorry for Jerry Jones.

Good luck with that.

Posted by: navybrat at October 09, 2017 07:28 PM (w7KSn)

529 Posted by: Indiana Peaches - finest kind at October 09, 2017 07:26 PM (14URa)

I'm happy you made it safely to your new casa.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 09, 2017 07:28 PM (Ri/rl)

530 . Why two seats in an outhouse I never did find out.


his and hers, it's scary going out to the outhouse alone

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2017 07:29 PM (FKrah)

531 So they've pissed off both sides now. Hahaha!
Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V.

ESPN is now caught in the "No positive path out" syndrome.

Hotel SJW-fornia.

Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 09, 2017 07:29 PM (3myMJ)

532 526 Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 09, 2017 07:28 PM (SjImc)

This is a bunch of corporate execs who are unable to properly transfer their loyalty from the pap they were fed in school to their fiduciary duty to the shareholder.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 09, 2017 07:29 PM (SzZnW)

533 NGU, thanks. You mentioned fighting in the streets. Has CBD got you gunned up and everything, if things get kinetic? You doing your squats so that a street brawl will be your cup of tea? I advise switching off the TV and not buying from NFL advertizers, as an alternative.


Posted by: rhomboid at October 09, 2017 07:30 PM (QDnY+)

534 So now the timeline on the Vegas shooting has changed? The Mandely Bay guard was shot BEFORE the mass shooting started and nobody was told????

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 09, 2017 07:30 PM (SjImc)

535
When in doubt I've been none to pick up a hammer-like device and open up the wall. With a hammer.

I can fix drywall. Other stuff, not so much.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at October 09, 2017 07:30 PM (EgwCt)

536 Peaches,

I'm so happy that you left Cali.

It was paradise for a brief moment in time...then a nightmare.

Best thing I ever did.

Posted by: mpfs, Not My Circus..Not My Sonobis at October 09, 2017 07:30 PM (79p/O)

537 508 Posted by: rhomboid at October 09, 2017 07:26 PM (QDnY+)

I have a house floating around somewhere in Johnson County....

I now pay people to look for it.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 09, 2017 07:31 PM (SzZnW)

538 >>>Why? Are we moving past Romney's "corporations are people too" to an even stronger restatement: "Corporations are the only people whose political and speech rights should be absolutely respected and free from any external economic or social coercion"?
___________

Welcome to The Uniparty!

They will have Power. They will have Control.

Except, so far, the Tea Party and the Bernie Bros don't like it.

Trump was the desperate cry for change and freedom from the Right. If Trump cannot make it work, look out for the American People to try something more Leftish.

Except we will not get freedom from the Left We will get something more like the Bolsheviks and the NASDAP. We won't call it a Gulag or a Concentration Camp, maybe it will be a "Resettlement Area," or an "Education Campus." Whatever it is, Madison Ave., will have focus grouped the name. Whether it is Homeland Security, or the FBI doing the round ups, they will be the NKVD and Gestapo in Red, White and Blue.

Posted by: My thoughts at October 09, 2017 07:31 PM (4dz1m)

539 Who's going to boycott anything just because Jemele Hill tells them to?
===

The same people who voted for Trump over Hillary because of the Russian ads on Facebook.

Posted by: Mortimer-Finish Her! at October 09, 2017 07:31 PM (dciZN)

540 NGU, thanks. You mentioned fighting in the streets. Has CBD got you gunned up and everything, if things get kinetic? You doing your squats so that a street brawl will be your cup of tea? I advise switching off the TV and not buying from NFL advertizers, as an alternative.


Posted by: rhomboid at October 09, 2017 07:30 PM (QDnY+)

I'm armed and as with most Navy DRs, very dangerous with a weapon. LOL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 09, 2017 07:31 PM (SjImc)

541 Peaches,

Just do what I intend to do, when we move. Go to the local Republican Party office, walk in and say, "I've just moved in. Where's the shooting range?" You let them know you came from CA later

Posted by: notsothoreau at October 09, 2017 07:32 PM (JKNZq)

542 527; Peaches!

Posted by: chavez the hugo at October 09, 2017 07:32 PM (KP5rU)

543 I hear Marvel's 'Ms. Marvel' movie is going to be full of Soviet Justice Wanking.

Never ever take your customer base for granted, if you do your company will join the buggy-whip manufactuers on the ash-heap of failed businesses.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 09, 2017 07:32 PM (BN6Vh)

544 My Uncle Moon had a two holer at his place in Maine. Never understood why. We used chamber pots at night. No way was I going out there in the dark. There were bears out yonder!

Posted by: mpfs, Not My Circus..Not My Sonobis at October 09, 2017 07:32 PM (79p/O)

545 540 Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 09, 2017 07:31 PM (SjImc)

You are a doctor of dental surgery sir.....

most dangerous man in the room.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 09, 2017 07:33 PM (SzZnW)

546 Is it too late to have a national tool control conversation? Background checks would save ace's wall.

Posted by: t-bird at October 09, 2017 07:33 PM (iFP6G)

547 g'early evenin', 'ron

Posted by: AltonJackson at October 09, 2017 07:33 PM (KCxzN)

548 Weasel, love it - immediately ready with rifle range recos for IN.

As I recall - and how disturbing is it that I do? - Peaches has a Ruger SP101 revolver, but no long guns. In any case, a much gun-friendlier state for her, now.


Posted by: rhomboid at October 09, 2017 07:33 PM (QDnY+)

549 I hope this leads to a loss of team cohesion (players resenting their owners, coaches, harming other teammates who are not kneelers).

That will degrade the quality of games. And that will open up hard core football fans to looking to other alternatives.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 09, 2017 07:33 PM (/qEW2)

550 Huzzah Peaches!

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 09, 2017 07:34 PM (hyuyC)

551 543 Posted by: Anna Puma at October 09, 2017 07:32 PM (BN6Vh)

How could it be anything but?

You owe it to yourself to timeline the title character's descent into PC madness...

she is a Hot Blonde Mean Girl, Muslim, Tranny...

Posted by: sven10077 at October 09, 2017 07:34 PM (SzZnW)

552 520
reading ESPNs Twitter feed is pretty funny. they have a shit ton of
angry SJWs saying they're not going to watch ESPN anymore, and
conservatives saying "Why didn't you fire her like you canned Shilling?"


That's what kills me about the whole thing. SJW's were never watching to begin with and they weren't going to start just because ESPN gave Bruce Jenner an award.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at October 09, 2017 07:34 PM (mNQwG)

553 Meremortal - your NFL prophecy seems to be playing out. No escape!
Posted by: rhomboid at October 09, 2017 07:26 PM (QDnY+)

Anyone that touches that tarbaby is toast. It's worse than even I believed.

Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 09, 2017 07:34 PM (3myMJ)

554
When in doubt I've been none to pick up a hammer-like device and open up the wall. With a hammer.


Yeah, it gets to the point where you move over 10 inches, make a hole, and shine in a flashlight.

Sometimes the studs are sneaky.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 09, 2017 07:35 PM (oVJmc)

555 Is it too late to have a national tool control conversation? Background checks would save ace's wall.

Posted by: t-bird at October 09, 2017 07:33 PM (iFP6G)



Posted by: Vendette at October 09, 2017 07:35 PM (T9km8)

556
136 Hey guys did you know my kid had heart surgery?
Posted by: Jimmy Kimmel at October 09, 2017 06:36 PM (SkuXa)


It seems that your estrogen pump is performing remarkably well, too.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 09, 2017 07:35 PM (jtf24)

557 Posted by: Indiana Peaches - finest kind at October 09, 2017 07:26 PM (14URa)


Peaches! Glad you got to your new home. Enjoy.

Posted by: Infidel at October 09, 2017 07:35 PM (NuO9F)

558 reading ESPNs Twitter feed is pretty funny. they have a shit ton of
angry SJWs saying they're not going to watch ESPN anymore, and
conservatives saying "Why didn't you fire her like you canned Shilling?"

I know! The Curt and Jemele Show!!


Posted by: ESPN at October 09, 2017 07:36 PM (O5Q3r)

559 Time to bring back the AAFC.

Otto Graham FTW!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 09, 2017 07:36 PM (nUkMr)

560 I guess ESPN and the nfl never did a demographic study of who their customers are ha? I'm guessing special snowflakes are not the biggest sports fans...Maybe they should contact NASCAR about who actually watch's sports and buys the tickets

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 09, 2017 07:36 PM (SjImc)

561 Congratulations, Peaches !

Yay Deplorable Flyover Country !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/7 at October 09, 2017 07:36 PM (z3Hmr)

562 Yay Peaches I'm glad you got moved ok.

Posted by: freaked at October 09, 2017 07:36 PM (UdKB7)

563 534
So now the timeline on the Vegas shooting has changed? The Mandely Bay
guard was shot BEFORE the mass shooting started and nobody was told????
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 09, 2017 07:30 PM (SjImc)

What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. It's even part of the commercial.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at October 09, 2017 07:36 PM (mNQwG)

564 NGU, we will consider you to be following in the steps of MOH recipient Ben Salomon - except without the banzai charge .......

Posted by: rhomboid at October 09, 2017 07:36 PM (QDnY+)

565 You can use a furing strip a pc of 1X 2 perpendicular to the studs drill that into the studs and the drill yo brackets into the furring strip
Easy Peasy

Posted by: vizzy at October 09, 2017 07:37 PM (s5Khz)

566 Youse guys, the bff's bro-in-law is the IPD range master. I'm literally in heaven! Plus, for Ace, you know you can put a hold in that stud with a .45 and then putty and sink that fucker. Just my opinion. Your results may vary.

Posted by: Indiana Peaches - finest kind at October 09, 2017 07:37 PM (14URa)

567
Sometimes the studs are sneaky.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 09, 2017 07:35 PM (oVJmc)


The Paolo concurs, but his clientele begs for his attentions.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 09, 2017 07:37 PM (jtf24)

568
548 Weasel, love it - immediately ready with rifle range recos for IN.
As I recall - and how disturbing is it that I do? - Peaches has a Ruger SP101 revolver, but no long guns. In any case, a much gun-friendlier state for her, now.
Posted by: rhomboid at October 09, 2017 07:33 PM (QDnY+)
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You know, the Ruger rings a bell too. I guess we can let her unpack the truck and set up proper beds for the kitties before insisting she buy a rifle.

Posted by: Weasel at October 09, 2017 07:37 PM (Sfs6o)

569 NGU, we will consider you to be following in the steps of MOH recipient Ben Salomon - except without the banzai charge .......
Posted by: rhomboid at October 09, 2017 07:36 PM (QDnY+)

LOL thanks

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 09, 2017 07:37 PM (SjImc)

570 563 Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at October 09, 2017 07:36 PM (mNQwG)

Everything you are told about Paddock is probably important, what we are not being told is vital.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 09, 2017 07:38 PM (SzZnW)

571 Peaches and I have the same taste in guns.

The Ruger SP101 is a magnificent bastard!

Posted by: mpfs, Not My Circus..Not My Sonobis at October 09, 2017 07:38 PM (79p/O)

572 making purchase choices based on the politics of the producer ... and middleman. Of course, always. We've ignored that far too long and now China is a real threat. Domestically we enriched Hollywood and Wall Street as we ignore client #9 types, and they live above the law and receive bailouts.

But sure, I try to buy local because I know these people, and in my case they voted 70% Trump in the county, much of downstate IL. Boycott is easier than more aggressive measures to end totalitarianism. But we don't really have to organize and decide as a block. As with NFL, people just find other things to do with their time and money when NFL players choose to hate US.

Become a producer yourself by building/growing/fixing things, or support local activity instead of billionaire connect sports owners. Softball, bowling, local team ... beautify a park or support a local cause. Grassroots hands on investments.

Mike Rowe is kinda working that direction ... training youth.
https://www.leaveitbetter.com/farmers-for-america/

Posted by: illiniwek at October 09, 2017 07:38 PM (/aIFg)

573 543 I hear Marvel's 'Ms. Marvel' movie is going to be full of Soviet Justice Wanking.

Never ever take your customer base for granted, if you do your company will join the buggy-whip manufactuers on the ash-heap of failed businesses.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 09, 2017 07:32 PM (BN6Vh)

Well, they were getting close to killing the golden goose anyway. Same trajectory as the NFL- just took less time.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 09, 2017 07:38 PM (rb1zT)

574 vizzy, he doesnt want to do a cleat, some of the shelves are already up, doesn't want to dismantle the whole deal.

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2017 07:38 PM (FKrah)

575 Posted by: One at October 09, 2017 07:21 PM (RYASC)

Nah, I really think he overran the tunnel and never meant to go out as far as he did.

He's an SJW kinda guy, to an extent. All due respect to him, but he didn't fold out of cowardice.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at October 09, 2017 07:38 PM (SAlss)

576 The same can be said for what is going on with YouTube right now. "Little guys" (and even non-corporate bigger ones) are being demonetized while corporations see there Adsense revenue uncompromised.
In what way is conservatism about protecting corporations and crushing any competition not through actual supply and demand but through a protected class system?

Posted by: Gman at October 09, 2017 07:39 PM (Bnm2K)

577 I have a feeling that Peaches is really going to like living in Indiana...

Posted by: Vendette at October 09, 2017 07:39 PM (T9km8)

578 566 Posted by: Indiana Peaches - finest kind at October 09, 2017 07:37 PM (14URa)

Peaches, you can go to the USAF Museum now.

You'll love Indiana, just be careful in Indy Metro and Gary after dark.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 09, 2017 07:39 PM (SzZnW)

579 At this point the NFL would need to apologist formally in writing beg forgiveness and donate all profits and player salaries to the va/fvw/march for life and swear they would never let this shit happen again and then I might watch again. Might....

Posted by: USNtakim at October 09, 2017 07:39 PM (0OmEj)

580 566 Youse guys, the bff's bro-in-law is the IPD range master. I'm literally in heaven! Plus, for Ace, you know you can put a hold in that stud with a .45 and then putty and sink that fucker. Just my opinion. Your results may vary.
Posted by: Indiana Peaches - finest kind at October 09, 2017 07:37 PM (14URa)

You finally got the move done then? Congrats!

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 09, 2017 07:39 PM (rb1zT)

581 I'd also suggest freestanding shelves.

But I worry Ace will be one of those guys found lying dead on the floor in the middle of scattered IKEA parts from a brain aneurysm.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at October 09, 2017 07:40 PM (3Vlkn)

582 what jamelle said is exactly what the left has been doing for decades, This is the pressure they apply to get their way.
we should do it, it works

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2017 07:40 PM (FKrah)

583 #Resist

Posted by: a shelf bracket at October 09, 2017 07:40 PM (dciZN)

584
The exciting thing about Uniform Building Codes is that they're not so much uniform. There's probably half a dozen ways to attach an electrical box to a stud. One of them entails putting a strip of metal about one inch wide across the stud.

Which is kinda difficult to drill a hole through. With Dollar Store drill bits. Especially if you're over top of the nail.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at October 09, 2017 07:40 PM (EgwCt)

585 Posted by: One at October 09, 2017 07:21 PM (RYASC)
---

Posted by: Charles Atlas Carpenter at October 09, 2017 07:26 PM (2mC6G)

It's going to get worse, whether the actions were on purpose or not.

I'm starting to realize...

There is no way to delay
That trouble coming every day

Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 09, 2017 07:40 PM (3myMJ)

586 "86 Gah. I've been nauseated all day, but I managed to make an Italian pot roast."
Mmmm, Jane. Dare I ask the time of the month?

Posted by: RI Red at October 09, 2017 07:40 PM (MTg73)

587 Why was the security guard checking on him before he started shooting - the broken windows?

Posted by: Jean at October 09, 2017 07:40 PM (9TU00)

588 swear they would never let this shit happen again and then I might watch again. Might....
Posted by: USNtakim at October 09, 2017 07:39 PM (0OmEj)

Amen

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 09, 2017 07:40 PM (SjImc)

589 Why two seats in an outhouse I never did find out.

+++

Imagine if one was warm already but only two of you live there

Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at October 09, 2017 07:41 PM (z2W2E)

590 Sven think will skip. Yuck!

If they kill the movie golden goose, Marvel will implode and join the other comic publishers like the one that gave us Cutey Bunny.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 09, 2017 07:41 PM (BN6Vh)

591 577 Posted by: Vendette at October 09, 2017 07:39 PM (T9km

Robust economy, sane government, neighbors Ohio....

what's not to love?

Posted by: sven10077 at October 09, 2017 07:41 PM (SzZnW)

592 I have a sure fire way to find the studs in a room.

Posted by: zombie Paddock at October 09, 2017 07:41 PM (HgMAr)

593 Peaches, you can go to the USAF Museum now.

You'll love Indiana, just be careful in Indy Metro and Gary after dark.
Posted by: sven10077 at October 09, 2017 07:39 PM (SzZnW)

Yes! The Wright-Patterson Air force Museum is just a short 2-2.5 hour drive away! Worth every bit.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 09, 2017 07:41 PM (rb1zT)

594
The direct market retailers have been eating Marvel's overs for quite awhile now, no returns, pre order lock ins, packaging non sellers to get popular ones, etc etc etc... I wonder where to from here?

Posted by: otho at October 09, 2017 07:41 PM (qGuLD)

595 Time for Morons who have season's tickets already bought (and that they can't return I'm assuming) to go to games with signs hidden on them (and with friends) reading, "The NFL wants my daughter to be raped in a bathroom by a 'woman' with a dick!"

Posted by: andycanuck at October 09, 2017 07:41 PM (mJ8mX)

596 Why was the security guard checking on him before he started shooting - the broken windows?
Posted by: Jean at October 09, 2017 07:40 PM (9TU00)

I have no idea. The story is on Drudge from today's afternoon presser.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 09, 2017 07:41 PM (SjImc)

597 Just going to put this out there SFW http://preview.tinyurl.com/yb4xnzda

Posted by: Bill sometimes Bill formerly from Canada at October 09, 2017 07:41 PM (L0xw9)

598 Sven, have never been to IN, but is there any reason for anyone to ever venture in to Gary any longer, day-light or after dark? Thought the place had really sort of collapsed, economically/socially.


Posted by: rhomboid at October 09, 2017 07:42 PM (QDnY+)

599

Y.A. TITTLE is mort.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at October 09, 2017 07:42 PM (Dtao3)

600 Do dismantling needed it doesn't have to be continuous just a lil block where the xtra brackets
are located to give a lill meat fer da srew
No harvy pun intended

Posted by: vizzy at October 09, 2017 07:42 PM (s5Khz)

601 590 Posted by: Anna Puma at October 09, 2017 07:41 PM (BN6Vh)

Eh one failure will be a blip.

Mark my words Marv will decry the fandom for "misogyny and pigz" ignoring that Wonder Woman was a hit BECAUSE it was a goddamned superhero movie not an SJW screed or a "f*ck America" fanfic....

they are going to get as crazy as the print side of the house, it is inevitable really.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 09, 2017 07:42 PM (SzZnW)

602 Shelves.

Concrete blocks and 1X8s.

Done.

Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 09, 2017 07:42 PM (3myMJ)

603 Y.A. TITTLE is mort.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at October 09, 2017 07:42 PM (Dtao3)

Maybe the best nfl picture ever

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 09, 2017 07:43 PM (SjImc)

604 i still want to know who the hispanic couple was. and Who specifically were making calls from the NY _NY , Tropicana, MGM saying they were shooting at those locations.

distractions. you bet

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2017 07:43 PM (FKrah)

605 Gary has a casino. Kid calls it Fart City

Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at October 09, 2017 07:43 PM (z2W2E)

606 598 Posted by: rhomboid at October 09, 2017 07:42 PM (QDnY+)

Eh, if you are on your way to Chi-town, or headed east on I-80.....

Dad did some demolition work there last decade.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 09, 2017 07:43 PM (SzZnW)

607 But I worry Ace will be one of those guys found lying dead on the floor
in the middle of scattered IKEA parts from a brain aneurysm.

There's an IKEA in Fort Marcy Park?

Posted by: andycanuck at October 09, 2017 07:43 PM (mJ8mX)

608 ha,Shelves.

Concrete blocks and 1X8s.

Done.
Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 09, 2017 07:42 PM (3myMJ)

that's so college temporary.

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2017 07:44 PM (FKrah)

609 @602: "Concrete blocks and 1X8s. Done."

Maybe some spray paint, if you're feeling extravagant.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at October 09, 2017 07:44 PM (3Vlkn)

610 She's the cover they need. "Gee, sales are down. Obviously, people are against Jerry Jones..."

Posted by: t-bird at October 09, 2017 07:44 PM (iFP6G)

611 So they've pissed off both sides now. Hahaha!
Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V.

ESPN is now caught in the "No positive path out" syndrome.

Hotel SJW-fornia.

Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 09, 2017 07:29 PM (3myMJ)



They wandered into the Social Justice Lobstertrap.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 09, 2017 07:44 PM (/qEW2)

612 >>Why two seats in an outhouse I never did find out.


Outhouse users, like nature itself, abhore a vacuum.

Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 07:44 PM (0S+FC)

613 the spray painted blocks should match the bedding

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2017 07:45 PM (FKrah)

614 602 Shelves.

Concrete blocks and 1X8s.

Done.
Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 09, 2017 07:42 PM (3myMJ)


That worked fine when I was in college. Milk crates, too.

Posted by: rickl at October 09, 2017 07:45 PM (sdi6R)

615 NFL should never have let this get started; they'll never get it under control now and it will take them under.

Blame is squarely on the asshat Goodell and the craven owners.

I'll enjoy watching the collapse, particularly as the sports media go with it.

Posted by: phineas gage at October 09, 2017 07:45 PM (ALDN3)

616 Had a friend in college who furnished his entire apartement using PVC piping and fittings.

Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 07:46 PM (0S+FC)

617 Shelves?

I say MILK CRATES!!!

Posted by: mpfs, Not My Circus..Not My Sonobis at October 09, 2017 07:46 PM (79p/O)

618 602 609 Meremortal & Walter Freeman

Ace is trying to impress smart, cultured, sophisticated women. Cinderblocks don't hunt in that target audience.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 09, 2017 07:46 PM (hyuyC)

619 @613: "the spray painted blocks should match the bedding"

Bedding? I think you mean the futon cover.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at October 09, 2017 07:46 PM (3Vlkn)

620 >>Nah, I really think he overran the tunnel and never meant to go out as far as he did.

>>He's an SJW kinda guy, to an extent. All due respect to him, but he didn't fold out of cowardice.

One of the things that is drilled into anyone who plays team sports is the importance of putting the team in front of everything. You support your teammates without question as long as they aren't doing to hurt the team.

Players are often shipped off a team if they are considered to be bad teammates or putting themselves ahead of the team. See Kaepernick, Colin.

Villaneuva was in a tough sport. He is clearly a patriot and a certified tough guy but he didn't want to show up his teammates. I can't get too upset with him for his apology since that is what he apologized for and not for saluting the flag.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 09, 2017 07:46 PM (/tuJf)

621 we have to fight, or we're all NY or California sooner than later

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2017 07:46 PM (FKrah)

622
Posted by: Indiana Peaches - finest kind at October 09, 2017 07:26 PM (14URa)


Congratulations on taking up residence in the Midwest, Peaches!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 09, 2017 07:46 PM (jtf24)

623
Why was the security guard checking on him before he started shooting - the broken windows? Posted by: Jean at October 09, 2017 07:40 PM (9TU00)

Steve Wynn said yesterday that a do not disturb sign on the door for three days would've drawn security to the room at his hotel

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at October 09, 2017 07:46 PM (lKyWE)

624 Two seats are there for hangovers

Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at October 09, 2017 07:46 PM (z2W2E)

625 160 >>>Award Winning, Second-Tier Blogger.

That's why you needed the shelf.

...

okay I have a question. I've now upgraded a second time to a hammer drill. To get these fucking screws to finally go in.

Now, when I drill into the stud, well, it won't go into the stud. The screws are completely blocked after just getting through the drywall.

Is there a chance there's some kind of metal cladding or bracket on these studs at the places I'm drilling?

I just don't get it. I'm beyond frustrated.

I'm trying to put up additional supports on the studs because you monsters really freaked me out telling me "those shelves are coming down."

But I cannot put a damn screw through this stud.

BTW, this a a wall that adjoins to the next apartment. I don't see any power outlets on the stud so I don't think I'm hitting something like metal tubing around electrical wires.

Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 06:40 PM (8rNrN)



Save yourself, please. Hire a professional.

Posted by: Ladylibertarian at October 09, 2017 07:47 PM (TdMsT)

626 Walter i had a bed! twin sure but aa real bed with lots of pillows to make a couch for daytime

(that i never used)

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2017 07:47 PM (FKrah)

627 Will ESPN realize "SJWs are uncontrollable psychos! Maybe we should hire people conservatives or just people who don't GAF about politics"?

Although I'd guess that would significantly reduce their "diversity".

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 09, 2017 07:47 PM (/qEW2)

628 I'm a little late to this but...dinner and stuff....


Peaches! Good to hear you and the kittehs made it safe and sound!

Posted by: Tami at October 09, 2017 07:47 PM (Enq6K)

629 @602: "Concrete blocks and 1X8s. Done."

Maybe some spray paint, if you're feeling extravagant.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at October 09, 2017 07:44 PM (3Vlkn)
.............

I recommend using the same color paint as the carpet.

Posted by: wth at October 09, 2017 07:47 PM (HgMAr)

630 never let this shit happen again and then I might watch again. Might....
Posted by: USNtakim at October 09, 2017 07:39 PM (0OmEj)

"The flag is a racist piece of cloth that nobody fights for."

-Shannon Sharpe, on ESPN.

Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 09, 2017 07:48 PM (3myMJ)

631 618 602 609 Meremortal & Walter Freeman

Ace is trying to impress smart, cultured, sophisticated women. Cinderblocks don't hunt in that target audience.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 09, 2017 07:46 PM (hyuyC)

I am not sure his stuffed corpse of Barry Goldwater would endear him either- and they would probably notice it first.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 09, 2017 07:48 PM (rb1zT)

632 two seats are for a potty buddy, there are monsters in those holes!

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2017 07:48 PM (FKrah)

633 Peaches,

Where in Indiana? Anywhere near Indianapolis? Home of the Indianapolis 500?

Not hinting at anything here.....maybe.

Posted by: Puddleglum at October 09, 2017 07:48 PM (pY+s4)

634 @618: "Cinderblocks don't hunt in that target audience."

Trick is counterbalancing with a few heavily varnished wire spool tables.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at October 09, 2017 07:48 PM (3Vlkn)

635 630 Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 09, 2017 07:48 PM (3myMJ)

In Shannon's defense, I don't think they teach horses Civics or History at KY Derby School.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 09, 2017 07:49 PM (SzZnW)

636 Walter Freeman

New York City, vice Kansas City.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 09, 2017 07:49 PM (hyuyC)

637 One thing, Ace. I was hanging blackout curtains in my apartment and ran into a similar situation- hit metal just under drywall. Turned out I was just too close to the window frame.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 09, 2017 07:49 PM (rb1zT)

638 actually with modern industrial look, cinder block shelves might be cool again

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2017 07:49 PM (FKrah)

639 "The flag is a racist piece of cloth that nobody fights for."

-Shannon Sharpe, on ESPN.



He has taken his brilliance to Fox Sports now. Him and the ever delightful Skip Baylis. Question; who the hell watches that train wreck of a show?

Posted by: Puddleglum at October 09, 2017 07:49 PM (pY+s4)

640 Did Ikea stop selling bookcases?

Posted by: Weasel at October 09, 2017 07:50 PM (Sfs6o)

641 So the spider has a place to poop

Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at October 09, 2017 07:50 PM (z2W2E)

642 2-0 Yanks

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 09, 2017 07:50 PM (SjImc)

643 Why two seats in an outhouse I never did find out.

------------

Unrefrigerated foods.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 09, 2017 07:50 PM (5IJky)

644 Doc Holliday was a dentist. But he was from Georgia.

Posted by: Eromero at October 09, 2017 07:50 PM (zLDYs)

645
Had a friend in college who furnished his entire apartement using PVC piping and fittings.
Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 07:46 PM


Was he one of the guys in Blue Man Group?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 09, 2017 07:50 PM (IqV8l)

646 BTW, this a a wall that adjoins to the next apartment.
.............

Use a sledge hammer. But only after 10:00pm.

Posted by: wth at October 09, 2017 07:51 PM (HgMAr)

647
Maybe the best nfl picture ever



You mean this photo?

https://tinyurl.com/y9gsg2pf

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at October 09, 2017 07:51 PM (Dtao3)

648 630 never let this shit happen again and then I might watch again. Might....
Posted by: USNtakim at October 09, 2017 07:39 PM (0OmEj)

"The flag is a racist piece of cloth that nobody fights for."

-Shannon Sharpe, on ESPN.



And I used to be a broncos fan. Fu*k SS sideways with a pineapple wrapped in rusty razor wire.

Posted by: USNtakim at October 09, 2017 07:51 PM (0OmEj)

649 615 - Blame is squarely on the asshat Goodell and the craven owners.

Goodell IS the owners. He exists to do the owner's bidding. All of this was just greed to attract more viewers, just link the pink bullshit and the fake pro-military put-ons before it.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at October 09, 2017 07:51 PM (mNQwG)

650 Which you said was a wall shared with another apartment, so that dog does not hunt either.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 09, 2017 07:51 PM (rb1zT)

651 Ace, surely someone has revealed to you the magic word:

Bookcase.

Posted by: Monty James at October 09, 2017 07:51 PM (gKOMX)

652 >>actually with modern industrial look, cinder block shelves might be cool again


But, only 'found' or 're-purposed' cinder blocks.

And 'Timbers' instead of boards.

Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 07:51 PM (0S+FC)

653 "The flag is a racist piece of cloth that nobody fights for."

-Shannon Sharpe, on ESPN.


He has taken his brilliance to Fox Sports now. Him and the ever delightful Skip Baylis. Question; who the hell watches that train wreck of a show?
Posted by: Puddleglum at October 09, 2017 07:49 PM (pY+s4)

Not me anymore and I find it increasingly difficult to even listen to talk sports in the car. It's becoming the News, Country Music, or patriotic music for me

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 09, 2017 07:51 PM (SjImc)

654 There are times, like when you are looking for a stud, a pipe or a wire when owning a FLIR or a smart phone IR camera plug in seems like a good idea.

(don't look at me, I am on day 50 of a bathroom gut and rebuild. It is getting old)

Posted by: Kindltot at October 09, 2017 07:52 PM (/f0LB)

655 Flag gets washed with the colors though

Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at October 09, 2017 07:52 PM (z2W2E)

656 garret yes, timbers from thee ole barn out back (of the apts)

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2017 07:52 PM (FKrah)

657 In Shannon's defense, I don't think they teach horses Civics or History at KY Derby School.
Neigh! Neigh!

Posted by: senator incitatus at October 09, 2017 07:52 PM (mJ8mX)

658
You might not know who football player Yelberton Abraham Tittle was, but you've probably seen this famous photo in your lieftime:

https://tinyurl.com/y9gsg2pf


Was Y.A. a member of the tribe??

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at October 09, 2017 07:52 PM (Dtao3)

659 Blame is squarely on the asshat Goodell and the craven owners.

Goodell IS the owners. He exists to do the owner's bidding. All of this was just greed to attract more viewers, just link the pink bullshit and the fake pro-military put-ons before it.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at October 09, 2017 07:51 PM (mNQwG)

Quite Frankly I blame Fredo, The Left, MSM, and Academia for all of this

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 09, 2017 07:52 PM (SjImc)

660 Speaking of tarbabies, the Daily Mail has more screaming headlines listing all of the super-feminist Hollywood A-listers (Streep, Helen Mirren, GOOP Paltrow, Hermione Watson, Scarlett "Boobs" Johansen, etc.) that have been *really* vocal about gender equality (for thee, not me) and curiously silent about The Harvey Walbanger scandal. Jen Lawrence too. Oh, and Donna Karan, dressmaker to the stars defended the guy, and said women should watch out how they dress. And Oprah's pal Gail is running cover for the Obamas and how they had no idea....and Matt Damon calling the NYT to quash a story about the same behavior over 10 years ago--PASS THE FUCKING POPCORN it's like a who's who of loathsome posturing celebrities scattering like roaches.

Posted by: Goldilocks at October 09, 2017 07:53 PM (zz1sH)

661 "The flag is a racist piece of cloth that nobody fights for."



-Shannon Sharpe, on ESPN.





Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 09, 2017 07:48 PM (3myMJ)

Sharpe is a Fox Sports guy and linked is the exchange on the show he co-hosts with Skip Bayless:

http://tinyurl.com/y9mhus8t

Posted by: Vendette at October 09, 2017 07:53 PM (T9km8)

662 hell just pull the fence between apts off and use those boards.
cheap and ..
ok ..
do it at night quietly

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2017 07:53 PM (FKrah)

663 Was Y.A. a member of the tribe??
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at October 09, 2017 07:52 PM (Dtao3)

From ALa fuckin Bama, not a chance

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 09, 2017 07:53 PM (SjImc)

664 A glassed-bookcase, Ace, including a guard dog:
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/20161126_124722.jpg

Posted by: andycanuck at October 09, 2017 07:54 PM (mJ8mX)

665 657 Posted by: senator incitatus at October 09, 2017 07:52 PM (mJ8mX)

Now now, Senator you were sent to the finest schools Rome had to offer....

now off to debauch my sisters!

//Gaius Caligula Goodell

Posted by: sven10077 at October 09, 2017 07:55 PM (SzZnW)

666 The flag is a racist piece of cloth that nobody fights for."



-Shannon Sharpe, on ESPN.

the flag isn't racist, The Dem party is and always has been. How about Blame the party Yolu hold Dear for THEIR Past?

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2017 07:55 PM (FKrah)

667
646 BTW, this a a wall that adjoins to the next apartment.


Go see your neighbor(s) and tell them you have struck a rich vein of ore and enlist their aid to start digging for it from their side. Split the profits even steven.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 09, 2017 07:55 PM (jtf24)

668
From ALa fuckin Bama, not a chance

Texas, no?

The middle name "abraham" made me wonder....

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at October 09, 2017 07:55 PM (Dtao3)

669 If Ace has enough books, then he could skip the cinder blocks, and your stacks of rarely opened references books on the ends.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at October 09, 2017 07:55 PM (3Vlkn)

670 *use

Posted by: Walter Freeman at October 09, 2017 07:55 PM (3Vlkn)

671 Blame is squarely on the asshat Goodell and the craven owners.

I'll enjoy watching the collapse, particularly as the sports media go with it.

Posted by: phineas gage at October 09, 2017 07:45 PM (ALDN3)

========
I'd still like to ask him, "Roger, are you a fanatical SJW who was willing to sacrifice the NFL on principle? Or after analyzing fan reactions, did you think that the battle was over, and that the SJWs had won?". He may have been making an educated guess. JJ seems to have acknowledged that he had miscalculated.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 09, 2017 07:55 PM (/qEW2)

672
Wait, there are no lizard people in Alabama?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at October 09, 2017 07:55 PM (Dtao3)

673 >>Goodell IS the owners. He exists to do the owner's bidding. All of this was just greed to attract more viewers, just link the pink bullshit and the fake pro-military put-ons before it.

I'm going with cowardice. The NFL is now 75% black players. They thought they could appease them and this would all go away since we are a country of racist cowards according to the last administration.

Some people still can't seem to wrap their heads around the fat that we elected Trump for a reason.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 09, 2017 07:56 PM (/tuJf)

674 Posted by: JackStraw at October 09, 2017 07:46 PM (/tuJf)

Agree, 100 percent. I was disappointed, but understand the team thing. Doubly so for a vet.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at October 09, 2017 07:56 PM (SAlss)

675 'I used to be a broncos fan'

I was a Pats fan for more than thirty years, back to when they were an NFL laughingstock playing at a fourth-rate shithole of a stadium.

I'll never watch their product again.

Posted by: phineas gage at October 09, 2017 07:56 PM (ALDN3)

676 walter, excellent idea.

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2017 07:56 PM (FKrah)

677 Quite Frankly I blame Fredo, The Left, MSM, and Academia for all of this.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 09, 2017 07:52 PM (SjImc)

Those are all the same thing. Public schools were taken over by Communists 40 years ago and we weren't paying attention.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at October 09, 2017 07:56 PM (mNQwG)

678 Ouch, ugly fielding by the Nationals. So bad
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 09, 2017 07:09 PM (39g3+)
--------

Right? Nothing like having the three of them standing there, watching the ball drop right in between them. Ugh.

Posted by: bluebell at October 09, 2017 07:11 PM (UoSKV)



It was a thing of beauty in my book. Good on Rizzo for getting the game winning knock on Columbus Day. Go Cubs

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 09, 2017 07:57 PM (auHtY)

679 673 Posted by: JackStraw at October 09, 2017 07:56 PM (/tuJf)

Rumor mill says that 5-15% (varied by team) of black players were going to refuse to play or dogass it....

That will kill the game too.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 09, 2017 07:57 PM (SzZnW)

680 Is this an old building, Ace? Maybe you are not hitting metal... maybe you are hitting BONE! *Music stinger*

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 09, 2017 07:57 PM (rb1zT)

681 From ALa fuckin Bama, not a chance

Texas, no?

The middle name "abraham" made me wonder....
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at October 09, 2017 07:55 PM (Dtao3)

LOL, yes texas...Texas, Alabama all the same basically. Not from NY

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 09, 2017 07:57 PM (SjImc)

682 'I find it increasingly difficult to even listen to talk sports'

I gave it up several years ago. When I was up in the northeast during the 80's and 90's, I was a constant WFAN listener. The golden era of sports talk.

Posted by: phineas gage at October 09, 2017 07:58 PM (ALDN3)

683 i think ace is doing the to the ceiling shelves.

i'm hoping this doesn't end badly. he and girlfriend have a kid, 24 mths later the kid tries the shelves to get to the toy they put way up there.

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2017 07:58 PM (FKrah)

684 From ALa fuckin Bama, not a chance
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 09, 2017 07:53 PM (SjImc)

Nope. Raised in Texas before going to LSU.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at October 09, 2017 07:58 PM (mNQwG)

685 hammer drill would go into old hardwood ... must be metal. Maybe ask the landlord? Should be able to tell if it's metal by poking a nail in the drilled hole and tapping.

If the all the weight is on the wall (no legs to floor), I wouldn't trust just the drywall.

Posted by: illiniwek at October 09, 2017 07:59 PM (/aIFg)

686 *typed and deleted before going too snarky.*

Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 09, 2017 07:59 PM (3myMJ)

687 I recommend using the same color paint as the carpet.
Posted by: wth at October 09, 2017 07:47 PM (HgMAr)


Especially if you are planning to paint it right there in the room. You might get your damage deposit back.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 09, 2017 07:59 PM (/f0LB)

688 From ALa fuckin Bama, not a chance
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 09, 2017 07:53 PM (SjImc)

Nope. Raised in Texas before going to LSU.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at October 09, 2017 07:58 PM (mNQwG)

Yeah but Ala Fuckin Bama sounds better than Tex Fuckin as

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 09, 2017 07:59 PM (SjImc)

689 If Ace has enough books, then he could skip the cinder blocks, and your stacks of rarely opened references books on the ends.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at October 09, 2017 07:55 PM (3Vlkn)
.............

But you have to use books EXACTLY the same thickness at each end or the bottles will all roll of the shelf. And you don't want him to spray paint the books do you?

Posted by: wth at October 09, 2017 07:59 PM (HgMAr)

690 I have a saying about simple projects.

It's never as easy as it looks like it's going to be.

Posted by: freaked at October 09, 2017 08:00 PM (UdKB7)

691 'He may have been making an educated guess'

Judging by his performance in Deflategate, Roger is not that bright.

Posted by: phineas gage at October 09, 2017 08:00 PM (ALDN3)

692 I've gotten rid of all my NFL gear except a blanket. I'm debating. My brother gave it to me. I also live in CO and winter is coming. Can't have too many blankets. Thinking about dying it.

Posted by: Infidel at October 09, 2017 08:00 PM (NuO9F)

693 Judge!
2 Run Double...
Woot!!!

Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 08:00 PM (IR8Kv)

694 Judge double and 4-0 Yanks

Fuck we should be winning the series tonight

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 09, 2017 08:00 PM (SjImc)

695 Has anybody suggested powder actuated fasteners yet?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 09, 2017 08:00 PM (IWbvi)

696 Posted by: Vendette at October 09, 2017 07:53 PM (T9km

Thanks, I haven't watched that stuff in so long I thought he was at ESPN.

Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 09, 2017 08:02 PM (3myMJ)

697 'Has anybody suggested powder actuated fasteners yet? '

Great idea! And Ace gets to go get a new tool too!

Posted by: freaked at October 09, 2017 08:02 PM (UdKB7)

698 Ace what you need is some good insurance and some Jewish Lightning and let a contractor rebuild...LOL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 09, 2017 08:02 PM (SjImc)

699 I do think some of early overreaction from the NFL owners might have something to do with worries about the collective bargaining agreement.

Could be a nasty, nasty negotiation, if players finally decide they want to push for guaranteed contracts, and the current agreement expires after the 2020 season, meaning it'll be right after another (presumably crazy) presidential election.

Jerry Jones probably thought his kneeling but not kneeling stunt would earn him some future cred with the brothers, but yeah, not so much.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at October 09, 2017 08:02 PM (3Vlkn)

700 Just saw this on Drudge - What the actual fuck?

Hotel security guard was shot BEFORE he opened fire on the crowd.

How does something that fundamental get fucked up for so long? They were praising him for being a hero going to the door and causing the shooter to stop.

Now he is just a random guy who walked down the hall and got shot at.

Does he then open fire on the crowd, or how long afterward? And what causes him to stop after 10 minutes?

Posted by: blaster at October 09, 2017 08:03 PM (jHrzU)

701 >.But you have to use books EXACTLY the same thickness at each end or the bottles will all roll of the shelf. And you don't want him to spray paint the books do you?



He could steal all of the Phone Books in the neighborhood the next time they come out?

Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 08:03 PM (IR8Kv)

702 HARVEY WEINSTEIN WAS THE SECOND SHOOTER!!!

Posted by: The Fern in the Lobby at October 09, 2017 08:03 PM (oVJmc)

703 Especially if you are planning to paint it right there in the room. You might get your damage deposit back.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 09, 2017 07:59 PM (/f0LB)
..........

Of course. Those blocks are heavy. Wouldn't want Ace to pull a muscle lugging those things around or struggling with drop cloths.

Posted by: wth at October 09, 2017 08:03 PM (HgMAr)

704 A photo of a dazed Tittle in the end zone taken by Morris Berman of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette on September 20, 1964, is regarded among the most iconic images in the history of American sports and journalism.[90][91] Tittle, in his 17th and final season, was photographed helmet-less, bloodied and kneeling immediately after having been knocked to the ground by John Baker of the Pittsburgh Steelers and throwing an interception that was returned for a touchdown at the old Pitt Stadium. He suffered a concussion and cracked sternum on the play, but went on to play the rest of the season.[92]

Post-Gazette editors declined to publish the photo, looking for "action shots" instead, but Berman entered the image into contests where it took on a life of its own, winning a National Headliner Award.[90] The photo was published in the October 2, 1964, issue of Life magazine.[93] It is regarded as having changed the way that photographers look at sports, having shown the power of capturing a moment of reaction. It became one of three photos to hang in the lobby of the National Press Photographers Association headquarters, alongside Raising the Flag on Iwo Jima and the Hindenburg disaster. A copy now hangs in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.[94]

After at first having failed to see the appeal of the image, Tittle eventually grew to embrace it, putting it on the back cover of his 2009 autobiography.[95] "That was the end of the road," he told the Los Angeles Times in 2008. "It was the end of my dream. It was over."[92] Pittsburgh player John Baker, who hit Tittle right before the picture was taken, ran for sheriff in his native Wake County, North Carolina in 1978, and used the photo as a campaign tool.[96] He was elected and went on to serve for 24 years.[97] Tittle also held a fundraiser to assist Baker in his bid for a fourth term in 1989.[98]

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 09, 2017 08:04 PM (SjImc)

705
A blogger works from sun to sun, but a shelvers work is never done.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 09, 2017 08:04 PM (jtf24)

706 Thanks, I haven't watched that stuff in so long I thought he was at ESPN.

Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 09, 2017 08:02 PM (3myMJ)


Sneeze while working the TV remote and you could very well hit hit a sports channel talking show. You know you've hit FS1 if you see Jason Whitlock.

Posted by: Vendette at October 09, 2017 08:04 PM (T9km8)

707 'Judge double and 4-0 Yanks '

Cleveland better be careful.

As a Boston fan, I'm not happy to say it, but the Evil Empire is returning in force. They've got their salary structure in shape, lots of young talent, and unlimited money to spend.
They will dominate the AL East for the foreseeable future.

Posted by: phineas gage at October 09, 2017 08:04 PM (ALDN3)

708 Yeah - Two Words, for you Ace :

Hilti Gun

Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 08:04 PM (IR8Kv)

709 Dinner! BBL.

Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 09, 2017 08:04 PM (3myMJ)

710 Magnets

Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at October 09, 2017 08:04 PM (z2W2E)

711 'Does he then open fire on the crowd, or how long afterward? And what causes him to stop after 10 minutes?'

The whole thing is beyond strange and bizarre.

I wonder if we're ever going to get the real story, assuming there is one....

Posted by: phineas gage at October 09, 2017 08:05 PM (ALDN3)

712 Even Jerry Brown declared us a disaster Area now

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 09, 2017 08:06 PM (6Ll1u)

713 They've got their salary structure in shape, lots of young talent, and unlimited money to spend.

Yes BUT, they desperately want to get under the salary cap next year to ore-set the clock on the penalties and they can do it especially if they get that cheap Jap Superstar who is under 25

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 09, 2017 08:06 PM (SjImc)

714 See ace. Stud finder looks for metal not wood. Most of the time it's a nail that gets read. Sometimes a pipe or wire.

Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at October 09, 2017 08:06 PM (z2W2E)

715 Mrs. E is shooting tomorrow night with 'The Well-
Armed Woman' group. She is taking my favorite with her. H-K P30S.

Posted by: Eromero at October 09, 2017 08:06 PM (zLDYs)

716 Y.A. Tittle took a knee.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 09, 2017 08:07 PM (IqV8l)

717 #712 Jerry Brown is a disaster.

Posted by: Semi-engaged Scroller at October 09, 2017 08:07 PM (LQLeS)

718 >>Magnets

Vacuum

Posted by: JackStraw at October 09, 2017 08:07 PM (/tuJf)

719

Tittle also held a fundraiser to assist Baker in his bid for a fourth term in 1989.


Love it.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at October 09, 2017 08:07 PM (Dtao3)

720 'A photo of a dazed Tittle in the end zone taken by Morris Berman of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette on September 20, 1964, is regarded among the most iconic images in the history of American sports and journalism'

That is epic, but the one that exceeds it IMHO is Chuck Bednarik standing over an unconscious Frank Gifford.

Posted by: phineas gage at October 09, 2017 08:08 PM (ALDN3)

721 @689: "But you have to use books EXACTLY the same thickness at each end or the bottles will all roll of the shelf."

@701: "He could steal all of the Phone Books in the neighborhood the next time they come out?"

Ace could use his collection of This Old House recordings on VHS.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at October 09, 2017 08:08 PM (3Vlkn)

722 I'm starting to think that the Ewok didn't build those Tree Forts at all...

Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 08:09 PM (IR8Kv)

723 Matt Damon!!!

Posted by: Matt Damon Spokesman Warvey Heinstein at October 09, 2017 08:10 PM (oVJmc)

724 I guess ESPN and the nfl never did a demographic study of who their customers are ha?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 09, 2017 07:36 PM (SjImc)
---
I think it all has to do with the society of broadcast center cities. They broadcasters live in that world, and absorb those sensibilities.

Meanwhile a majority of fans live outside of that culture. They know the pressure points of their neighborhood culture. And so they've tried to coerce the outside culture by the sensibilities of the broadcast centers.

Posted by: Axeman at October 09, 2017 08:10 PM (2mC6G)

725
722 I'm starting to think that the Ewok didn't build those Tree Forts at all...
Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 08:09 PM (IR8Kv)


Hited that Treehouse Master doofus, did he?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 09, 2017 08:10 PM (jtf24)

726 That's WeinSTEEN! Not WeinSTINE!

Posted by: Gene Wilder at October 09, 2017 08:10 PM (LQLeS)

727 722 I'm starting to think that the Ewok didn't build those Tree Forts at all...


They hired cheap Central American and Mexican labor. You didn't hear about it because the Ewok's ate them afterwards.

Posted by: Puddleglum at October 09, 2017 08:11 PM (pY+s4)

728 I think ms ace must be harping on him to just hire it out already, because why the hell else would he keep drilling?!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at October 09, 2017 08:11 PM (SAlss)

729 Why two seats in an outhouse I never did find out.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 09, 2017 07:26 PM (/tuJf)
---
Sometimes, you just wanna have company.

Posted by: Har at October 09, 2017 08:11 PM (2mC6G)

730 >.Hired that Treehouse Master doofus, did he?


That, or they conquered a more talented but peaceful race of woodworking elves or some shit.

Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 08:12 PM (IR8Kv)

731 If a pitcher has a no hitter and a batter gets on base because he's hit by a pitch, is it STILL a no hitter? Maybe it gets an asterisk?

& (just testing)

Posted by: Advo at October 09, 2017 08:13 PM (By5RL)

732 "Does he then open fire on the crowd, or how long afterward? And what causes him to stop after 10 minutes?

Posted by: blaster

the security guy was checking on an "open door", whatever that means. (it was not the shooter's door) So the shooter must have seen him on his outside the door security cameras and freaked and shot.

Then he decided it was time to open up on the crowd, for ten minutes. Security guy called that he was shot, stopped someone else from going down the hall, but hard to tell why the cops then took so long even getting there. Maybe they showed up in ten minutes and shooter saw them coming down the hall?

Sheriff does the updates, but whatever FBI knows they ain't telling. So may well be sheriff knows little, but FBI (according to some leaks) may have found a lot from their outside the room sources.

Posted by: illiniwek at October 09, 2017 08:13 PM (/aIFg)

733 I'm starting to think that the Ewok didn't build those Tree Forts at all...

They built huts on top of acorns.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 09, 2017 08:13 PM (oVJmc)

734
Ace - depending on how old your place is, you might even have hardwood studs, and that will cause these sorts of problems just trying to screw into them. the screws getting hot is an indication.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at October 09, 2017 07:20 PM (Bl5Zt)








Just wait until Teh Ewok starts working on the carpet......

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 09, 2017 08:13 PM (eXA4G)

735
ms ace


Is that card, ace, holding out on us?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 09, 2017 08:14 PM (jtf24)

736 Previously mentioned by others, but worth repeating:

The new Star Wars trailer drops tonight on ESPN during Monday Night Football, and they've been running commercials all day long promoting the trailer.

In other words, commercials for a commercial.

Gotta wonder if Disney is risking cross-contaminination.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at October 09, 2017 08:15 PM (3Vlkn)

737 Okay, Governor Charlie Brown, what reasonable reforms could you have taken to prevent the California inferno?

Since it's cowardice to say that you couldn't have done anything more?

Posted by: Axeman at October 09, 2017 08:15 PM (2mC6G)

738 Click on KTLA 5 and watch the DC10 do it's fire drop, at 12,000 gallons per drop. Oh ya.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 09, 2017 08:15 PM (XMGaG)

739
One thing y'all might try for screws into hardwood (shut up, you degenerates). Rub the screws onto a bar of soap first. It'll keep the screw from binding.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 09, 2017 08:16 PM (eXA4G)

740 When did that Michael Bennett episode take place? Could it have been a dry run? (I don't mean he was involved, but wasn't there supposed to have been an active shooter on the loose?)

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at October 09, 2017 08:16 PM (SAlss)

741 If a pitcher has a no hitter and a batter gets on
base because he's hit by a pitch, is it STILL a no hitter? Maybe it
gets an asterisk?



(just testing)

Posted by: Advo at October 09, 2017 08:13 PM (By5RL)


Yes, it's a no-hitter. Hitting the batter's body isn't the same as hitting his swinging bat.

Posted by: Vendette at October 09, 2017 08:16 PM (T9km8)

742 If a pitcher has a no hitter and a batter gets on base because he's hit by a pitch, is it STILL a no hitter? Maybe it gets an asterisk?

& (just testing)
Posted by: Advo at October 09, 2017 08:13 PM (By5RL)



It would be a no hitter but not a perfect game if that was the only man he allowed on base

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 09, 2017 08:16 PM (auHtY)

743 Gotta wonder if Disney is risking cross-contaminination.
Posted by: Walter Freeman at October 09, 2017 08:15 PM (3Vlkn)

Nobody is watching football tonight

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 09, 2017 08:16 PM (SjImc)

744 'Sheriff does the updates, but whatever FBI knows they ain't telling. So may well be sheriff knows little, but FBI (according to some leaks) may have found a lot from their outside the room sources.'

Lot of chatter right now about multiple shooters. Most from disreputable sources, but still...

Posted by: phineas gage at October 09, 2017 08:16 PM (ALDN3)

745 Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 09, 2017 08:14 PM (jtf24)

I thought he was married?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at October 09, 2017 08:16 PM (SAlss)

746 Maybe shelvy is getting this done.

Posted by: Infidel at October 09, 2017 08:16 PM (NuO9F)

747 Yes, it's a no-hitter. Hitting the batter's body isn't the same as hitting his swinging bat.

Posted by: Vendette at October 09, 2017 08:16 PM (T9km

wanna remind joe girardi about that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 09, 2017 08:17 PM (SjImc)

748 Posted by: Advo at October 09, 2017 08:13 PM (By5RL)

Yes. He can walk someone, too, just no hits.

But it's no longer a perfect game.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at October 09, 2017 08:17 PM (SAlss)

749 Two-holers are for avoiding a waiting line, outside, in chilly weather.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/7 at October 09, 2017 08:18 PM (z3Hmr)

750 'Yes, it's a no-hitter'

But not a perfect game

Posted by: phineas gage at October 09, 2017 08:18 PM (ALDN3)

751 One thing y'all might try for screws into hardwood (shut up, you degenerates). Rub the screws onto a bar of soap first. It'll keep the screw from binding.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 09, 2017 08:16 PM (eXA4G)
..............

Especially Dove soap, which is one quarter moisturizing cream.

Posted by: wth at October 09, 2017 08:18 PM (HgMAr)

752 736 Posted by: Walter Freeman at October 09, 2017 08:15 PM (3Vlkn)

Nah Disney already killed Star Wars....some people will go "because" but let's face it....

Mary Sue Skywalker did not go to Planet Irish Waterfall to be trained by Luke she went to finish Luke's training.....

GalPowah

No SW flick will ever have a male lead that is not already canon again ever.....period.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 09, 2017 08:18 PM (SzZnW)

753 I hope Ace doesn't drill into a gas pipe. Don't drill into a gas pipe Ace.

Posted by: freaked at October 09, 2017 08:18 PM (UdKB7)

754 wanna remind joe girardi about that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 09, 2017 08:17 PM (SjImc)


I'm convinced that if Cleveland had swept the Yankees he would have been out of a job within the following 12 hours.

Posted by: Vendette at October 09, 2017 08:18 PM (T9km8)

755 Remember, Goodell, is a very wealthy man who hands out with other very wealthy people, not with Joe Average NLFan. Those very wealthy people mainly voted for Obama and kissed his ass and were appalled when Trump was elected. In other words, he lives in the same sort of bubble the media and Hollywood and academia live in. so he followed other big business types in thinking leftism was the safe position to adopt because it was the future, it appealed to women and the young and all those old white dudes didn't matter any more. In other words he made the same assumptions everyone in his social and business circles made. Who knows if he genuinely believes in PC shit or not. the point is he chose stupidly and is paying the price.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V. at October 09, 2017 08:18 PM (P8951)

756 At least 10 dead, 1,500 structures lost in Northern California firestorm, among worst in state's history
---
I think we have to talk about tearing down all the buildings in California. Then nobody would live there and there would be 1) no buildings to burn down, and 2) nobody to die in the fire.

Sensible fire reform.

Posted by: Axeman at October 09, 2017 08:19 PM (2mC6G)

757
I thought he was married?
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at October 09, 2017 08:16 PM (SAlss)


Ace? Not to my knowledge...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 09, 2017 08:20 PM (jtf24)

758 ]Judging by his performance in Deflategate, Roger is not that bright.


A stupid person who can get other people to pay him $400MM in twelve years isn't that stupid, no matter how stupid he is.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 09, 2017 08:20 PM (Mouru)

759 Does he then open fire on the crowd, or how long afterward? And what causes him to stop after 10 minutes?
Posted by: blaster at October 09, 2017 08:03 PM (jHrzU)

What the hell?

The whole thing is just bizarre.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 09, 2017 08:20 PM (Ri/rl)

760
Especially Dove soap, which is one quarter moisturizing cream.
Posted by: wth at October 09, 2017 08:18 PM (HgMAr)
-------
Soaped thread!

Hahahahaha! Get it? Soaped + thread?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I'm so witty!

Posted by: Weasel at October 09, 2017 08:20 PM (Sfs6o)

761 Tammy al-Thor

We joke about Ace and his four kids with his hot Italian wife Sciencia, but all indications are he is single.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 09, 2017 08:21 PM (hyuyC)

762 Vendetta, not only fired- tarred and feathered outside of Yankee stadium.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V. at October 09, 2017 08:21 PM (P8951)

763 I think we have to talk about tearing down all the buildings in California. Then nobody would live there and there would be 1) no buildings to burn down, and 2) nobody to die in the fire.


There would have to be exceptions for teepees and illegal aliens because (1) indigenous and (2) diversity.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 09, 2017 08:21 PM (Mouru)

764 You know who else hung out with wealthy people and politicians from 2005-17, and who produced a steaming mound of shit no-one outside his circle wanted to watch? Harvey Weinstein, that's who else.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 09, 2017 08:21 PM (6FqZa)

765 >>I thought he was married?


Also, he's a she.

Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 08:22 PM (+gpdA)

766 Is there a chance there's some kind of metal cladding or bracket on these studs at the places I'm drilling?
...
Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 06:40 PM (8rNrN)


Late to the party here, but Jim at #463 i probably on the right track. It is not clear to me what you are doing. A hammer drill is for making holes, but you then say the screws are getting hot. Is this an impact driver? Are you drilling holes then trying to drive screws, or just trying to drive the screw? Also what type of screws are you using? How did you ascertain that there was a stud where you were putting the screw in?

Can you describe the building you are in? If you don't know the construction type maybe a rough idea of age and number of floors. Almost sounds like you have a masonry party wall, which is why I asked how did you ascertain there was a stud there. If the studs are steel and structural then they could be a bear to drill through. If partition grade then not quite so difficult, but you'll still need a self drilling screw. Only time I ever saw (or specified) a piece of sheet metal between the studs and sheetrock was in a jail, and it protected the guard's control room. I'm assuming that is not your situation. On wood studs you can sometimes find metal covers on the edge to protect electrical and mechanical lines drilled through the studs. These though are limited, only a couple of inches tall and only where the hole is.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at October 09, 2017 08:22 PM (4ptF9)

767
Also, he's a she.
Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 08:22 PM (+gpdA)


Xe.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 09, 2017 08:23 PM (jtf24)

768 'I think we have to talk about tearing down all the buildings in California. '

They'll be getting there soon enough. California is going to rapidly careen into third-world status, with scattered enclaves of rich leftists (who had better build some walls....)

Posted by: phineas gage at October 09, 2017 08:23 PM (ALDN3)

769 Vendetta, not only fired- tarred and feathered outside of Yankee stadium.
Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V. at October 09, 2017 08:21 PM (P8951)

Well that was a terrible decision by gerardi but I would be very careful before letting him walk...The Yanks could do a lot worse.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 09, 2017 08:23 PM (SjImc)

770 Vendette of course- stupid auto correct.

Geez, Tribe, you're looking like shit tonight.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V. at October 09, 2017 08:23 PM (P8951)

771 Posted by: illiniwek at October 09, 2017 08:13 PM (/aIFg)

IIRC, the 911 transcript from LVPD shows they were getting a shit-ton of calls about shooters everywhere.

Now, this may be a fake news thing, someone here posted it from 4chan, so who knows if it's true.

But if it is true, either there were people assisting the shooter by making fake calls, or else people were mishearing the direction of the shots, which is common, and either way, response time would be compromised.

Regardless, we're reminded once again that when seconds count, cops are only minutes away.....

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at October 09, 2017 08:23 PM (SAlss)

772 'Yes, it's a no-hitter'



But not a perfect game



Posted by: phineas gage at October 09, 2017 08:18 PM (ALDN3)


Yup, it's not a perfect game. Earlier in the thread I listed getting hit by a pitch as one of the things that won't count against a no-hitter.

Posted by: Vendette at October 09, 2017 08:23 PM (T9km8)

773 Soaped thread!

Hahahahaha! Get it? Soaped + thread?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I'm so witty!

Posted by: Weasel at October 09, 2017 08:20 PM (Sfs6o)
.............

You're going to put BEN out of a job.

Posted by: wth at October 09, 2017 08:23 PM (HgMAr)

774
Always with the hot screwing, that ace!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 09, 2017 08:23 PM (jtf24)

775 @765: "Also, he's a she."

In an act of millennial envy, Ace might be married to himself.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at October 09, 2017 08:23 PM (3Vlkn)

776 So may well be sheriff knows little, but FBI (according to some leaks) may have found a lot from their outside the room sources.

Posted by: illiniwek at October 09, 2017 08:13 PM (/aIFg)

--

Enough time has passed in relative silence and with the networks shutting it down and allowing the Harvey Bangerstein / Matt Damon Gay Sex Rape story to take over that I truly, honestly wouldn't be surprised to discover some vague but definite focal point between ISIS and AntiFA.

Could you imagine the pretzel making?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football - Forever at October 09, 2017 08:24 PM (0jCTy)

777 766 that's it! Ace is in jail!

Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at October 09, 2017 08:24 PM (hMwEB)

778 Hotel security guard was shot BEFORE he opened fire on the crowd.

How does something that fundamental get fucked up for so long? They were praising him for being a hero going to the door and causing the shooter to stop.

Now he is just a random guy who walked down the hall and got shot at.

Does he then open fire on the crowd, or how long afterward? And what causes him to stop after 10 minutes?

Posted by: blaster at October 09, 2017 08:03 PM (jHrzU)


That makes no sense. Why would the hotel security guard be outside his door if he wasn't already shooting?


Yeah, not buying it.

Posted by: Tami at October 09, 2017 08:24 PM (Enq6K)

779 A stupid person who can get other people to pay him $400MM in twelve years isn't that stupid, no matter how stupid he is.

Lots of people get rewarded for success, until they're not.

Posted by: Napoleon Bonaparte at October 09, 2017 08:24 PM (6FqZa)

780 Missed you all today... I'm in the heart of the CA. fire... Both My Daughter and My ex Daughter-in-laws Family were evacuated and came to My House... I was semi-safe....... Ex DIL's Family lost their home but Daughters family is safe... The Electricity will take a while but we all made it...

Posted by: It's me donna at October 09, 2017 08:26 PM (O2RFr)

781 Rocket Man: https://tinyurl.com/y6vdeomy

Posted by: phineas gage at October 09, 2017 08:26 PM (ALDN3)

782 Isn't there a Dodger game today? Who doesn't like Pinks hot dogs better than dodger dogs?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 09, 2017 08:26 PM (6Ll1u)

783
One thing y'all might try for screws into hardwood (shut up, you degenerates). Rub the screws onto a bar of soap first. It'll keep the screw from binding.
..............
Especially Dove soap, which is one quarter moisturizing cream.


And it will change the color of the screw.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 09, 2017 08:26 PM (IqV8l)

784 Error on Tribe - run scores 5-0- and Judge up with base loaded

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 09, 2017 08:26 PM (SjImc)

785 Nevergiveup, true, I remember the days when Steinbrenner was firing and rehiring Billy Martin every 10 minutes. They didn't call it the Bronx Zoo for nothing. Kinda amazing they managed 2 WS wins with all that clubhouse drama.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V. at October 09, 2017 08:27 PM (P8951)

786 1. Just who are the masocons objecting to punishing the NFL? I guess Brett Stephens (I don't know s/he/it's post-transition name.) But since I go to NRO or the Weekly Standard only for specific writers or articles, I've missed that.

2. "As I Love Comics points out, fan criticism doesn't matter to Marvel because individual comic book buyers are not Marvel's customers. Nope -- it's the comic book shops that are Marvel's customers. They buy the issues -- individual comic book readers buy the books from the shops. So comic book readers are the shops' customers, but the shops are Marvel's actual customers."

I'm inclined to agree with this. But note it has further implications, to wit that when the stores sell to the readers, IT'S NO LONGER INTERSTATE COMMERCE.. I've long believed that's the right way to see it, but don't wait for the court to agree.

3. Might Jamele Hill be playing a deep game, seeing if this will increase attendance in Miami and Dallas? Doubt it, she's not that smart. But maybe one of her bosses might be.

Posted by: George LeS at October 09, 2017 08:27 PM (+TcCF)

787
Isn't there a Dodger game today? Who doesn't like Pinks hot dogs better than dodger dogs?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 09, 2017 08:26 PM (6Ll1u)


Game is at 10 p.m. eastern on TBS. I couldn't give an opinion about the hot dog question, though.

Posted by: Vendette at October 09, 2017 08:27 PM (T9km8)

788 780 Missed you all today... I'm in the heart of the CA. fire... Both My Daughter and My ex Daughter-in-laws Family were evacuated and came to My House... I was semi-safe....... Ex DIL's Family lost their home but Daughters family is safe... The Electricity will take a while but we all made it...
Posted by: It's me donna at October 09, 2017 08:26 PM (O2RFr)

Stay safe, Prayers up.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 09, 2017 08:27 PM (Ri/rl)

789 nood !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/7 at October 09, 2017 08:27 PM (z3Hmr)

790 Well, hell, I thought he was shackled.

Of course I also thought he was Allah Pundit for years, so....

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at October 09, 2017 08:27 PM (SAlss)

791 Glad to hear, Donna.

Fires have been a bitch this year.

Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2017 08:27 PM (+gpdA)

792 Yes. I worked in a huge hardware store in HS, and my answer would be, "Go ask Bill in aisle 10." I didn't have the answers, I just knew which guy in the store had the right expertise to provide an answer.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 09, 2017 07:02 PM (W+vEI)

---

That's part of what made places like Lowes and Radio Shack (*spit*) great in the 80s. Radio Shack used to hire amateur enthusiasts and kids that were going into the electronics field, and they could actually talk about their products and suggest solutions or parts.

I don't personally remember it, but my father told me Lowes used to have an actual plumber, electrician, etc. on staff as daytime department heads for the same reason.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football - Forever at October 09, 2017 08:27 PM (0jCTy)

793 fake NOOD.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 09, 2017 08:27 PM (/qEW2)

794 'They didn't call it the Bronx Zoo for nothing.'

I actually think it helped their chemistry, at least in the early days.

Early '70's Oakland A's had a similar dynamic

Posted by: phineas gage at October 09, 2017 08:28 PM (ALDN3)

795 Posted by: It's me donna at October 09, 2017 08:26 PM (O2RFr)

Oh honey.... prayers for sure.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at October 09, 2017 08:29 PM (SAlss)

796 Inertia is the greatest force in nature - it would repay all Morons to keep this in mind in looking at all situations. The NFL occupies a yuuuge cultural/entertainment space, is extremely profitable. Will take more than one (or two, or three) icebergs to sink this particular Titanic.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 09, 2017 06:48 PM (QDnY+)

================

Good point. Trump also is a unique force of nature and (hopefully long-lasting) inertia.

Rush Limbaugh -- a (formerly) yuge pro football fan -- says no way the NFL is going to win this thing, FWIW.

Posted by: ShainS at October 09, 2017 08:29 PM (BiLU+)

797 One thing y'all might try for screws into hardwood (shut up, you degenerates). Rub the screws onto a bar of soap first. It'll keep the screw from binding.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 09, 2017 08:16 PM (eXA4G)


My woodworker dad always insisted that you use wax on screws, not soap, and preferably beeswax, because he said soap retains/attracts moisture!

Posted by: Hrothgar at October 09, 2017 08:30 PM (gwPgz)

798 Apparently, since America is racist country, Colin Kaepernik has decided it's currency is also racist so he is giving all of his racist money to some guy named 'Ace'.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at October 09, 2017 08:30 PM (e8kgV)

799 What is Ace saying? That we should support the NFL so as to not left the Left take it away from us?

Posted by: FireHorse at October 09, 2017 08:31 PM (zkGZ8)

800 Donna, glad to hear you and your family is safe. Please stay safe!

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V. at October 09, 2017 08:31 PM (P8951)

801 Posted by: It's me donna at October 09, 2017 08:26 PM (O2RFr)

Prayers up for you and your family!

Posted by: Hrothgar at October 09, 2017 08:32 PM (gwPgz)

802 Nobody is watching football tonight
Posted by: Nevergiveup

I don't even know who's playing.

Posted by: Jean at October 09, 2017 08:33 PM (sWC1G)

803 Donna, prayers ascending for safe outcomes and no more homes lost.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 09, 2017 08:33 PM (hyuyC)

804 No National Anthem from Chicago tonight on ESPN. No explanation for this. I guess we fans need to be punished for being insulted.

Posted by: CV-43jag at October 09, 2017 08:34 PM (fjnRw)

805 When Christopher Columbus made it to the New World, he burned all of his shelving, and by burning his shelving, his motivation and commitment to new shelving was raised to a whole new level.

Posted by: Fritz at October 09, 2017 08:34 PM (3ubcI)

806 But if it is true, either there were people assisting the shooter by making fake calls, or else people were mishearing the direction of the shots, which is common, and either way, response time would be compromised.

**************

All of the locations where they received calls of shooting--the Tropicana, the MGM and NY, NY are relatively close to Mandalay Bay. I'm pretty sure the people calling in heard the shots and just assumed the shots were closer.

Posted by: Julia Child at October 09, 2017 08:35 PM (qEhxI)

807 That makes no sense. Why would the hotel security guard be outside his door if he wasn't already shooting?

Breaking the window.

Posted by: t-bird at October 09, 2017 08:36 PM (7ulel)

808 As I Love Comics points out, fan criticism doesn't matter to Marvel because individual comic book buyers are not Marvel's customers.


Yeah, but the stores are buying as little Marvel as possible and that well is quickly becoming poisoned.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 09, 2017 08:36 PM (oVJmc)

809 If a pitcher has a no hitter and a batter gets on base because he's hit by a pitch, is it STILL a no hitter?

Yes.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at October 09, 2017 08:37 PM (398bZ)

810 I wonder if we're ever going to get the real story, assuming there is one....

Posted by: phineas gage at October 09, 2017 08:05 PM (ALDN3)


Oh, trust me, you'll get a "real" story, IYKWIMAITYD!

Posted by: Big Jim Combey at October 09, 2017 08:37 PM (gwPgz)

811 Forget the pilot hole. Use a sawz-all and put the shelves INTO the wall!

Posted by: Advo at October 09, 2017 08:38 PM (By5RL)

812 807 That makes no sense. Why would the hotel security guard be outside his door if he wasn't already shooting?

Breaking the window.

Posted by: t-bird at October 09, 2017 08:36 PM (7ulel)


Possibly but the leader of the SWAT team said it was maybe 30 sec. to 1 min. from the time the security guard was shot until they got to where he was. They also said, the shooting had stopped when they got to his room door.

Posted by: Tami at October 09, 2017 08:40 PM (Enq6K)

813 Y.A. Tittle had a a daughter, a philosophy prof I think, and about 20 years ago she wrote a book about her relationship with him, and what his career meant to her. I don't know why, but within the last 10 years that book got reviewed extensively and there were some interviews.

I'll tell you this: Like that picture of the press pool on Hillary's airplane, you should hope that someday, somehow, someone loves you as much as Y.A. Tittle's daughter loved him.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 09, 2017 08:42 PM (H5rtT)

814 Ace to make it easier on you in the future comic book stores are the customer in the value chain and readers are the consumers.

Posted by: Sam Haysom at October 09, 2017 08:45 PM (lPDqu)

815 Especially given that the left is (quite successfully) bullying the NFL in their direction -- and without any pushback from the right whatsoever, we're essentially gifting the left with the NFL. ...

And, as to any conservative too polite to fight the actual war -- then what is the point of you, and whose side are you actually on?

Posted by: Ace at 06:09 PM
________

Seriously, I don't know who he's talking about here. Conservative players? Pundits? Politicians? Me?

I thought conservatives believed in market forces, individual responsibility and fair play. If so, then I'm a conservative, I guess. I suppose I could join in and fight this war, or I could go about living my life, but I'm not about to undertake both.

Posted by: FireHorse at October 09, 2017 08:47 PM (zkGZ8)

816 okay, I just decided to use shorter screws for the supporting brackets. This isn't a great solution but I'm sick of this shit.

Phase 1 done, now on to Phase 2 -- the second set of shelves.

For these I'm going to go either all drywall anchors for everything, or, if the stud is easier to drill into, I'll screw into the stud for the support bracket. if the stud's still a problem I'll use drywall anchors for that too.

Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 08:48 PM (8rNrN)

817 Ace. I know you dig the hodge twins just letting you know they were on louder with crowder last week

Posted by: thathalfrican - back at it at October 09, 2017 08:49 PM (IYHxL)

818 >>>What is Ace saying? That we should support the NFL so as to not left the Left take it away from us?

no i'm saying boycott them until they're teetering on bankruptcy. If they pass new by-laws forbidding the league from taking political action on any side, then maybe relent.

Otherwise, let them get by with the fraction of sports viewers who are far-left identity politics ideologues.

Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 08:50 PM (8rNrN)

819 Late to the thread -- are these freestanding bookshelves? If so, drill holes in the wall every 5 inches. Chances are better than 50/50 you'll hit a stud. Once you do, they'll be 16 inches to the right and left.

As for the holes you needlessly drilled, ignore them. The bookshelves will conceal them. Use some spackle if and when you move them.

Posted by: FireHorse at October 09, 2017 08:54 PM (zkGZ8)

820 ESJWPN was on at the bar. The crawl said: President Trump shifted the paradigm of the protests.

Posted by: kallisto at October 09, 2017 08:56 PM (53MZt)

821 Otherwise, let them get by with the fraction of sports viewers who are far-left identity politics ideologues.

Posted by: ace at October 09, 2017 08:50 PM (8rNrN)
---
You're forgetting the part where we badger lib fans about condoning CTE.

Posted by: Axeman at October 09, 2017 08:57 PM (2mC6G)

822 a no hitter is exactly what it sounds like- no hits given up by the pitcher. A perfect game is no runner getting on base for any reason - no hit by pitches, no walks, no hits, no wild pitches. No-nos are big deals. Perfect games are much bigger deals.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V. at October 09, 2017 08:58 PM (P8951)

823 We now know one thing: Jerry Jones can count.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at October 09, 2017 08:59 PM (Ndje9)

824 'I think we have to talk about tearing down all the buildings in California. '

Unfortunately, ace is back East.

Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 09, 2017 09:00 PM (3myMJ)

825 ace @ 818 --

Gotcha. Thanks.

Posted by: FireHorse at October 09, 2017 09:00 PM (zkGZ8)

826 Perfect games are much bigger deals.
Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V. at October 09, 2017 08:58 PM (P8951)

There have been 23 perfect games pitched out of 210,000 total games.

Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 09, 2017 09:05 PM (3myMJ)

827 #818

Let the NFL become an object lesson to other corporations. If you want to go SJW, then you can kiss half of your customers--or more--goodbye. We'll find other things to do with our time and money. No politicians required. I boycott plenty of left-wing corporations and see nothing wrong with spending my money with apolitical or overtly conservative suppliers instead.

"If people don't want to come out to the ball park, nobody's gonna stop 'em."--
Y. Berra

Posted by: Lawrence Larson at October 09, 2017 09:13 PM (d/r2I)

828 By the way, this whole debacle is unreal. A football team embroiled in controversy about simply standing for the anthem. It's as if this were 1967, not 2017. Obama, Sharpton, Holder and the academic communists have dragged this country backwards 50 years.

Progressives, my ass.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at October 09, 2017 09:14 PM (Ndje9)

829 Tammy and Jackstaw
Villaneuva's twitter timeline tells a different story.
He caved.

Posted by: artemis at October 09, 2017 09:26 PM (AwPyG)

830 WANT TO SEND A MESSAGE? DEMAND JEMILLE RESIGN IN PROTEST FROM ESPN! IF SHE DOESN'T LEAVE SHE IS THE SAME UNCLE TOM SHE PROCLAIMED NFL PLAYERS TO BE FOR NOT ADHERING TO COACH AND TEAM DEMANDS TO STAND FOR THE ANTHEM. SHE HAS BEEN SUSPENDED FOR HER RIGHTEOUSNESS. SHE SHOULD QUIT AND CALL ESPN RACIST.

Posted by: Jby at October 09, 2017 09:53 PM (lLrWu)

831 FUCK THE nfl
FUCK ESPN
FUCK THE BLACK SPORTSCASTER ON espn AND EVERY OTHER NETWORK THAT AGREE WITH THIS.
FUCK disney
and
FUCK EVERY SPONSOR OF THE nfl, disney, espn, and EVERY OTHER NETWORK, SPONSOR, OR ANY OTHER ASSHOLE.

just sayin, my wallet is shut and I hope every decent and civilized person and family's is too.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable, Profoundly Unserious & Immature Scientifically at October 09, 2017 10:01 PM (7kLRC)

832 In case anybody is wondering, this whole nfl thing has made me cream my pants so much I can't walk.

Posted by: Barak Obama at October 09, 2017 10:03 PM (7kLRC)

833 Ace, the strategy is pretty simple: the Left is going after "private" companies because they can censor without violating the First Amendment. Look at what just happened to Marsha Blackburn. If a regular broadcast outlet did that, there would be questions from the FCC. YouTube just shuts her down.

Posted by: SDN at October 09, 2017 10:03 PM (V7nti)

834 552.
It was never about getting the SJWs to watch NFL or other sports, but to hammer us right wingers on tha head with their hatred for us. They are thoroughly convinced that they have a captive audience.

Posted by: Martell at October 09, 2017 11:10 PM (Htxee)

835 I will repeat again what their endgame is: The left wants us all dead. Gone. Pooff.

Unfortunately, many on our side have not come to this understanding yet. Meanwhile, the left is mostly organized, has been waging war on us on many fronts for a long time now, and has a clear understanding of their end game.

The majority of Americans on our side are mostly hoping for the best, go to work everyday, and take care of their families. They are busy.

It is up to those of us who fully understand what is happening to enlighten them. I am still in awe at the vision and clarity of Breitbart when he so succinctly explained our enemy: War.

Posted by: Martell at October 09, 2017 11:25 PM (Htxee)

836 Leftists. Everything they touch turns to shit.

Posted by: Sleepyhedz at October 10, 2017 05:33 AM (x+NLL)

837 Jemele Hill now has plenty of time to learn how to drill pilot holes.

Posted by: x at October 10, 2017 10:54 AM (nFwvY)

838 816 okay, I just decided to use shorter screws for the supporting brackets. This isn't a great solution but I'm sick of this shit.

Phase 1 done, now on to Phase 2 -- the second set of shelves.

For these I'm going to go either all drywall anchors for everything, or, if the stud is easier to drill into, I'll screw into the stud for the support bracket. if the stud's still a problem I'll use drywall anchors for that too.

Posted by: ace

Ace of Spades. The Death Shelf.

Posted by: x at October 10, 2017 11:36 AM (nFwvY)

839 Great breakdown, Ace. Key figures in this massive brain fart by the NFL. These 2 figures are probably the key reasons the NFL has literally been stuck in concrete and failed to respond appropriately to this attack on the sensibilities of their fans (or a large percentage at least).

1) Demaurice Smith - NFLPA Exec Director and grade A social justice poser. Actually just a mercenary lobbyist and racism entrepreneur.

2) Joe Lockhardt - NFL E.V.P. of Comms.... Really, another liberal admin's press secretary running your public outreach? This guy has simply been horrible in this position. Would have been fired long ago if not for his DC connections.

Posted by: Dzur at October 10, 2017 12:37 PM (GOj4G)

840 As a draftee in 1969 (thank you friends & neighbors for "selecting" me, you bastards), my E-1 pay was $70 a month before taxes, plus an opportunity for an all-expense-paid tour of SE Asia. I gave up NFL cold turkey last year over their hatred for America, not watching one minute of a game all year, not even to see my local Falcons choke in the Super Toilet Bowl. Son, super warrior FastLaneFlash, is now in Iraq, for the 4th time in 14 years, so I have zero tolerance for celebrity opinion of how bad America has been to them, pouring million$ into their pockets for playing pretend and children's games. I quit using my VISA card, changed my USAA insurance & emptied my bank account there, and since my outhouse in north GA is uphill from the Budweiser plant, I've opened it up for a 24/7 public toilet...corn cobs provided...shake well before using.

Posted by: twolaneflash at October 10, 2017 01:22 PM (HuAnt)

841
This
is a PR stunt, and nothing more. You see, Jerry intends to define what
"disrespect[ing] the flag" consists of. We are likely to discover that
little short of burning it will meet his definition.
He has
decided that this is turning into a real problem, but even so he wants
to do as little as he can while appearing to have changed course. Hence
the resort to lawyer-like parsing and sophistry.

Posted by: jetman51 at October 11, 2017 10:53 AM (Sr0b/)

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