Will Tonight End the NFL Kneeling Protests?

Here's how I see this going down: The owners tell the players, "My God, you cannot kneel for the flag in the wake of mass shooting, possibly with some terroristic intent." So the players don't. Even the most hyperpoliticized leftwing BAMN asshole will presumably see the sense in taking a break from pissing on the flag for one night.

And then they can't on Thursday or Sunday, either. I mean, this is not a one-day story.

And then quietly, the owners instruct the players that they may get as political as they like on Twitter or Instagram, but when on the field, they'll be held to the letter of the rulebook as far as standing for the flag.

I think that might happen.

I also think it won't matter much. You know, breaking up with a sports league is like breaking up with a person: One minute, you're conflicted, and not sure you could ever really get on without them. The next minute, you decide, and that decision is now firm, and you can't even imagine why you took so long to do it.

(Actually, in my experience, it's women who are really good at this -- the total break, the binary on-off switch, the hard goodbye -- but bear in mind, that's my experience. You have to keep in mind, women feel incredibly empowered and liberated to be rid of me.)

Via Instapundit, two stories about the NFL, because man, that is more fun to talk about than the carnage in Las Vegas:

CNN's Silverback Gorilla, the grunting John King, says NFL owners have data that the anthem protests are in fact hurting the league.

"NFL owners so far siding with their players for their right to free speech, but they're also keeping close tabs on the financial impact and the public relations impact of this confrontation," King said.
He went on to say that the NFL owners have research "clearly showing the president is right" when he claims the national anthem protests are one factor in TV ratings dropping.
"Since the president weighed in, the owners are now dealing with a surge in ticket holder requests for refunds," King said.

Meanwhile, Derek Hunter writes about the slow death of the NFL.

Since I wasn’t a rabid fan the NFL won’t really notice that I’m gone. But I’m not alone. Through my radio show, social media, and life I have heard from scores of people who are diehard fans, and they’re done too.
More importantly for the NFL and the players, they’re beyond angry. Lifelong fans feel betrayed. Anger fades with time, but the sting of betrayal lingers.
...
The damage to the NFL began when Commissioner Roger Goodell chose to side with left-wing activists over the game in the hope of placating them and absolving himself from his failures to properly address domestic violence by some players.
...
It has evolved from an organization that fined Jim McMahon for writing messages on his headbands to one that ignored players perpetuating the lie of
"hands up, don't shoot." From blocking the Dallas Cowboys from honoring five police officers who were murdered by a militant racist inspired by anti-police activists to ignoring Colin Kaepernick wearing socks portraying police as pigs.
It seemed like a league held hostage by Kaepernick’s racism; in fear of being called racist itself. Now it's an enabler of ignorance.
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There could not have been a worse target for a protest than the national anthem in a sport that has marinated itself in patriotism. Sure, it was paid for [link to article noting that the NFL is paid for its military boosterism] -- nothing in the NFL is free – but they cashed the checks.
When Kaepernick chose to protest during the national anthem all people saw was a protest of the national anthem. That Goodell and his highly paid PR team didn't recognize this fact and squash it like they did DeAngelo Williams’ desire to pay tribute to his late mother by wearing pink to raise breast cancer awareness is a testament to the fear and desire for self-preservation that has marked his tenure.

People only keep on doing something that takes a lot of time, money, or effort if they believe they are getting direct and indirect benefits out of it. Few NFL fans get direct benefits out of watching the games-- obviously all fans want "their" teams to have 11+ wins in a season and make the playoffs (and win at least one game in the playoffs), and obviously, most fans cannot have that. At best, only the fans of four to six clubs feel really satisfied at the end of a season.

That's just the nature of the thing -- 32 teams in a three-quarter-year tournament to determine one single champion must, necessarily, leave a lot of fans disappointed. Obviously you just can't hand out Participation Trophies for Every Team!!! to make fans feel good about watching a team that goes 5-11.

So there's a built-in hard limit to how many fans any sporting league can really please throughout every year.

But you can keep enjoying the NFL if you feel it's providing you with indirect secondary benefits. The idea that this is a national ritual of sorts, a kind of secular communion, something connecting brother with brother, father with son, wife with husband. The idea that this is a truly American thing, something untainted and pure. Something above and outside our daily burdens and bothers, and even something, despite the violence, innocent. Something kids can watch that adults can enjoy even more.

Something that makes us better -- more American -- by watching it.

Obviously you can't have that secondary indirect benefit when you have a bunch of guys protesting the flag itself.

And then, as the league lets people violate the rulebook to protest the flag, it gets harder to ignore the players who rough up their wives and girlfriends, or even straight-up knock them out, and then skate with minor penalties.

The NFL has injected a lot of grimy, ugly reality into a thing we were turning to precisely because we were looking for a four-hour break from reality.

If those in the Escapism Business are no longer willing to provide escape -- if they feel that is now beneath them -- then what is the point of them?

Posted by: Ace at 02:30 PM

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1 Trump has ordered the flag to be flown at half mast..

Posted by: It's me donna at October 02, 2017 02:29 PM (O2RFr)

2 I bet you there will still be players who will kneel and be stupid. Because, stupid.

Posted by: IC at October 02, 2017 02:33 PM (a0IVu)

3 The National Forgotten League.

Posted by: JEM at October 02, 2017 02:33 PM (TppKb)

4 I bet you there will still be players who will kneel and be stupid. Because, stupid.

And you'd be right

Posted by: It's me donna at October 02, 2017 02:33 PM (O2RFr)

5 So the players don't. Even the most hyperpoliticized leftwing BAMN asshole will presumably see the sense in taking a break from pissing on the flag for one night.

Are you sure about that Ace? Let's hope you're right.

Posted by: WisRich at October 02, 2017 02:34 PM (G0vdT)

6 (Actually, in my experience, it's women who are really good at this -- the total break, the binary on-off switch, the hard goodbye -- but bear in mind, that's my experience. You have to keep in mind, women feel incredibly empowered and liberated to be rid of me.)

That has been my completely unbiased observation as well.

Thus, we have two anecdotes, therefore a statistic.

Posted by: Methos at October 02, 2017 02:35 PM (XQvuQ)

7
Someone with Enough Sense and Balls needs to tell them all:

Enough already; you've made your pointless point.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at October 02, 2017 02:36 PM (f7hW7)

8 Fox will not air the anthem portion of football games according to radio news.

Posted by: gNewt at October 02, 2017 02:36 PM (NWEal)

9 Do we have any overnight ratings from yesterday's games yet?

Posted by: mark1971 at October 02, 2017 02:36 PM (xPl2J)

10 Onlyif 54 players are immediately kneecapped.

Posted by: bergerbilder at October 02, 2017 02:37 PM (lIZQs)

11 It's not a question of their kneeling; it's a question of their petulance. There have already been games where the players didn't kneel - did you see their petulant little faces? Did you see the anger on their faces, like scolded brats?

This isn't about their actions; it's about their attitudes. It's about their need for MORE attention, because being a hyper-paid athlete isn't enough.

They are Millennials. They are entitled.

And they are OUTRAGED if you say this to them.

Sit, stand, kneel, jump, hold arms, hold hands, weep - I simply don't care anymore.

I have no use for these people, both before the tragedy and after it.

Posted by: RobM1981 at October 02, 2017 02:37 PM (qlIZh)

12
Trump has ordered the flag to be flown at half mast..

So instead of kneeling, they should....

bow for their stupid protest.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at October 02, 2017 02:37 PM (f7hW7)

13
Rather, they should curtsy.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at October 02, 2017 02:37 PM (f7hW7)

14 I don't care if they do or don't anymore. I won't be watching to find out.

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 02, 2017 02:37 PM (INJFV)

15
What do a bunch of dead Americans mean to the uneducated, overpaid, self-important, self-absorbed NFL douchebags? Nothing. I expect they will continue to think themselves the center of the universe and kneel or raised fist

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 02, 2017 02:37 PM (493sH)

16 I heard that Trump once held ownership in a rival football league that the NFL helped drive out of business. Wouldn't this be a wonderful payback for that?

Posted by: Iblis at October 02, 2017 02:38 PM (9221z)

17 They should all bend over and grab their ankles.

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 02, 2017 02:38 PM (INJFV)

18 Kneeling to a flag lowered to half mast is even worse than the regular stupidity. I don't think they even realize the damage they will do on top of the damage already done.

Posted by: USNtakim at October 02, 2017 02:38 PM (0OmEj)

19 What do a bunch of dead Americans mean to the uneducated, overpaid, self-important, self-absorbed NFL douchebags? Nothing. I expect they will continue to think themselves the center of the universe and kneel or raised fist

Looks like the victims were a bunch of white supremacists anyway...

Posted by: It's me donna at October 02, 2017 02:38 PM (O2RFr)

20 I suspect the crowd at Arrowhead will not take kindly to kneeling tonight.

Posted by: Benji Carver at October 02, 2017 02:39 PM (OD2ni)

21 $20 say the No Fan League won't do much more than acknowledge this tragedy.

Posted by: IP at October 02, 2017 02:39 PM (UmSfZ)

22 Trump/Melania/Pence/Mrs. Pence out for moment of silence at WH.

Posted by: Tami at October 02, 2017 02:39 PM (Enq6K)

23 Demeaning and the torture is easy. Just keep him hoping and say we'll always stay together when he has less hope than a widower.

Posted by: Body of Admiral Nelson at October 02, 2017 02:39 PM (loZXu)

24 Eventually the NFL players will announce they have said what they wanted to and end their protests. Only complete idiots will let them off the hook.

Posted by: Dang at October 02, 2017 02:39 PM (HLCoC)

25 Screw the NFL.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at October 02, 2017 02:40 PM (WsJuq)

26 I don't care anymore what they do.I have lost interest.

Posted by: steevy at October 02, 2017 02:40 PM (rmVvL)

27 I bet you there will still be players who will kneel and be stupid. Because, stupid.

Posted by: IC at October 02, 2017 02:33 PM (a0IVu)

Yep. This is a *great* chance to show that their previous actions were just a misguided plea for national unity (no, I don't actually believe that for a minute) and to say that this is a moment to hold to the traditions that have brought us together in the past. And then *never* speak of the kneeling again and pretend it never happened.

And the chances of their doing this are probably zero.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at October 02, 2017 02:40 PM (rp9xB)

28 yanno, even a shitty team offers some consolation. back when Matt Schaub was handing out interceptions like candy we Texans fans rather enjoyed joking about it. there was even a burger joint that offered the Schauburger (pick six toppings!).

because it's the love of the game and the shared experience.

but what do I share now with the Texans linking arms in a protest? I don't even live in Houston anymore. what is the point?

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 02, 2017 02:40 PM (Z86mf)

29 >>>Are you sure about that Ace? Let's hope you're right.

why? To be perfectly frank, I'd prefer being wrong. I'd like to see them take the knee again in the wake of the slaughter.

Let the masks all fall, I say.

Posted by: ace at October 02, 2017 02:40 PM (8rNrN)

30 They'll probably link arms in "solidarity"When I see that I think of men in tights when they do the can-can...

Posted by: It's me donna at October 02, 2017 02:40 PM (O2RFr)

31 The NFL? Neeeeever heard of it.

Posted by: Donald Sutherland's Head, The Year 2020 at October 02, 2017 02:40 PM (qYCgM)

32 The NFL has injected a lot of grimy, ugly reality into a thing we were turning to precisely because we were looking for a four-hour break from reality.

If those in the Escapism Business are no longer willing to provide escape -- if they feel that is now beneath them -- then what is the point of them?

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Can I get an "Amen!"

Posted by: blake at October 02, 2017 02:41 PM (qC1Sy)

33 "(Actually, in my experience, it's women who are really good at this -- the total break, the binary on-off switch, the hard goodbye -- but bear in mind, that's my experience. You have to keep in mind, women feel incredibly empowered and liberated to be rid of me.)"

You left out the 11pm "hey I'm lonely and I'm drunk" booty call.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 02, 2017 02:41 PM (k1TUh)

34 As Tami said in the last thread, and as ace says here - I think this is what will happen. Gonna be some awkward moments next Sunday as the massive intellects and characters of the NFL decide which way to go. But tonight seems likely they will can the "protest".

Posted by: rhomboid at October 02, 2017 02:41 PM (QDnY+)

35 Doesnt matter what the nfl does or says.
Watched the Texas A&M game Saturday night. Didnt watch a game Sunday.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 02, 2017 02:41 PM (gR+IE)

36 PDT, Melania, Pence, and Mrs. Pence just appeared on the WH lawn for moment of silence.

Melania looked like she was about to cry.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 02, 2017 02:41 PM (PY9jH)

37 "Since the president weighed in, the owners are now dealing with a surge in ticket holder requests for refunds," King said.
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Interesting phrasing. Obviously Trump's fault, since no other possible cause is mentioned.
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Something above and outside our daily burdens and bothers, and even
something, despite the violence, innocent. Something kids can watch that
adults can enjoy even more.
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There are some good sportsmanship lessons to be had in UFC.

And also ring girls.

Posted by: Methos at October 02, 2017 02:41 PM (XQvuQ)

38 Tonight's game is the politically-incorrect game of all politically-incorrect games: Redskins v. Chiefs. I suppose "Chiefs" isn't as "insulting" ("crude" is probably better) as Redskins (a name that would probably not be given today). I don't see players refusing to play for the 'Skins or Chiefs, or Cleveland Indians, etc. It's all about the $$$. Follow it.

Posted by: SFGoth at October 02, 2017 02:41 PM (dZ756)

39 >> One minute, you're conflicted, and not sure you could ever really get on without them. The next minute, you decide, and that decision is now firm, and you can't even imagine why you took so long to do it.

I'm Out! - Jerry.

I'm OUT!

Posted by: George Costanza at October 02, 2017 02:41 PM (HYDPz)

40
why? To be perfectly frank, I'd prefer being wrong. I'd like to see them take the knee again in the wake of the slaughter.

They could say it was to protest guns...

Posted by: It's me donna at October 02, 2017 02:41 PM (O2RFr)

41 I've been feeling over the NFL since 2015. Was still watching my team until yesterday. I got close to halftime before I got fed up with the incompetence of the officiating.

And that's another part of the problem. They've changed the game so much in the last several years I had already gone from watching all day on Sundays where I could to only watching one game a week. Then you add all the protest bullshit on top? No thanks, much better ways to spend a Sunday, especially one as nice as yesterday.

Posted by: John Marston at October 02, 2017 02:41 PM (SkuXa)

42 I.m done with the NFL it matters not what they do. I won't come back.

Posted by: USNtakim at October 02, 2017 02:41 PM (0OmEj)

43
Nuking
Fan
Loyalty

Posted by: an indifferent penguin at October 02, 2017 02:41 PM (ikvbz)

44 The 'protest' has also destroyed the cohesion of teams, creating dissension in the locker room...

Last 2 weeks... Raiders offensive line, which last year was the best in the NFL... and who was leading the protest of the Raiders... did not really protect Carr, the Q-back who would not kneel...

Carr gets hurt... young BLACK backup comes in... and suddenly the pocket is forming again...

Coincidence? makes ya go.... hmmmm......

Posted by: Don Q. at October 02, 2017 02:42 PM (NgKpN)

45 They should all bend over and grab their ankles.
Posted by: Minnfidel

that is what the Texans did to Houston's taxpayers. what a boondoggle the Reliant Stadium was

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 02, 2017 02:42 PM (Z86mf)

46 (Actually, in my experience, it's women who are really good at this -- the total break, the binary on-off switch, the hard goodbye -- but bear in mind, that's my experience. You have to keep in mind, women feel incredibly empowered and liberated to be rid of me.)

[Hands ace a beer] Dude, like we keep telling you, it's the mange. Just do something about the mange and the chicks will come flocking, okay?

Posted by: joncelli: a man, a plan, a crossbow at October 02, 2017 02:42 PM (RD7QR)

47 I strongly suspect Roger Goodall is a 100% kool-aid chugging SJW and your good advice is as alien to him as a fish hearing instructions on how to breathe with lungs in lieu of gills.

Were I still watching the NFL I guess I could see.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 02, 2017 02:42 PM (SzZnW)

48 Ace, frankly I would bet money on players taking a knee. Not that I'm going to watch to see. But the entire exercise had bad optics even before today, so I don't think they're going to suddenly find conscience or a face saving way out.

Which is fine with me. To hell with all of them.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at October 02, 2017 02:42 PM (PFy0L)

49 BTW, F* Drudge for posting picks of victims.

It's one thing for a grimy British tabloid to post them below the fold (with a "graphic!" warning, but this is just beyond the pale for the fedora freak. Give the families and victims a bit of respect?

What a dick.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at October 02, 2017 02:42 PM (RHEDC)

50

I'd rather watch a 3-hour loop of Fluffy White Kitten What Looks Like A Stuffed Animal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCoo4dVDvu8

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at October 02, 2017 02:43 PM (f7hW7)

51 >>>You left out the 11pm "hey I'm lonely and I'm drunk" booty call.

Those calls go to the Paolo, not ace.

Posted by: wooga at October 02, 2017 02:43 PM (V/Oe6)

52
No-escape
From
Leftism

Posted by: an indifferent penguin at October 02, 2017 02:43 PM (ikvbz)

53 Its a thought Ace, but is it possible blind numb skulls can get that in their heads I am not sure.

Posted by: Skip at October 02, 2017 02:43 PM (ghofu)

54 Hayley "Rethuglicans deserve to die" Geftman-Goldschitz is the elite debutante daughter of a multi-millionaire and is an Ivy League hyper-privileged limousine liberal whose wedding was covered as a major social event by the NY Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/28/fashion/weddings/28Lattman.html

Who are the aristocrats in this narrative? Who are the peasants?

Posted by: zombie at October 02, 2017 02:43 PM (DQ4Fv)

55 I haven't watched more than 10 minutes of any game in over 20 years. TO HELL WITH THE NFL.

Gooddell is a smarmy, limp-dicked, stack of worthlessness as a leader. If you are not going to follow the rules on the books then why bother having rules.
The same logic applies to how the left wing, D- scumbag politicians rarely, if ever have to face justice.

Posted by: Bonecrusher at October 02, 2017 02:43 PM (JNTt1)

56 FBN: Shooter bought more than 30 weapons and illegally converted AR-15. 19 have been found..... 308 and .223 caliber.

They didn't say when and how long it took him to amass 30 weapons.

Posted by: Tami at October 02, 2017 02:43 PM (Enq6K)

57 CNN has a story up that the shooter's dad was a bank robber on the FBI's most wanted list.

Posted by: m at October 02, 2017 02:43 PM (7n0Ay)

58 "When I see that I think of men in tights when they do the can-can..."

hence, the Bayou City F---ots

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 02, 2017 02:43 PM (Z86mf)

59 The NFL has achieved something I wouldn't have thought possible just a few years ago. They have made a lot of previous fans indifferent to the game, or at least the league. Not even the heat and passion of hatred. That came first. Then plenty of fans realized it wasn't worth caring about on any level. Buh-bye! We have better things to do than support clowns who detest what is important to us or think they are important enough to bother with.

Posted by: JTB at October 02, 2017 02:44 PM (V+03K)

60 I suspect the crowd at Arrowhead will not take kindly to kneeling tonight.
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If their serious about sending a message to the players, leaving the stadium immediately after the anthem would be pretty clear.

Posted by: Methos at October 02, 2017 02:44 PM (XQvuQ)

61 They will kneel--book it. They are just that stupid.

I can't believe I watched for so long--what a waste of precious life time.

Posted by: phineas gage at October 02, 2017 02:44 PM (ALDN3)

62 The NFL is dead to me. They could do a 100% reversal -even including Goodell, and I'm not coming back.

Got better things to do now than waste it in front of highly paid spoiled brats. The Mrs. however wishes I start watching sports again and stop chasing her around the house.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 02, 2017 02:44 PM (jxbfJ)

63 >>>>You left out the 11pm "hey, I'm trying to assemble some furniture I got at IKEA...~~lonely and I'm drunk~~" booty call.

Posted by: garrett at October 02, 2017 02:44 PM (HYDPz)

64 OT - is it just me or are the anti gun lobby peeps out really fast...tweeting, press junkits, getting in front of the camera. This just happened last night. They have not even cleared the bodies and dems are tripping over themselves to hold a press conferences. Giff-what's her name flew in from wherever she lives to talk to the press. good grief. Want more Trump...this is how you get more Trump.

Posted by: Brian at October 02, 2017 02:44 PM (UnMRd)

65 I think this is a very plausible possibility, but not matter what, I am still basically done with the nfl and nba...I know who they are

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 02, 2017 02:44 PM (5y11N)

66 More to the point, the players are self-centered and inside a media bubble. They won't get it, some of them will kneel, and they won't see what the big deal is. Thus do businesses die.

Posted by: joncelli: a man, a plan, a crossbow at October 02, 2017 02:45 PM (RD7QR)

67 At this point the NFL's only hope is to fire Goodell, and enforce the rules already on the books. Meaning fines and loss of draft picks for the offending teams. Especially the teams that protested in London. Prehaps even firing whole teams.
Its the only way to show that the NFL is serious about making amends and regaining fan loyalty.
They won't do it of course, because they're still more afraid of the left than they are of the fans.

Posted by: Iblis at October 02, 2017 02:45 PM (9221z)

68 >>> And then quietly, the owners instruct the players that they may get as political as they like on Twitter or Instagram, but when on the field, they'll be held to the letter of the rulebook as far as standing for the flag. I think that might happen.

Optimistic, Ace, I like it!

Reviving the golden goose after they've killed it will take nimble kabuki. We'll see if the NFL can manage it

Posted by: LizLem at October 02, 2017 02:45 PM (hvf9s)

69 >>>>And that's another part of the problem. They've changed the game so much in the last several years I had already gone from watching all day on Sundays where I could to only watching one game a week. Then you add all the protest bullshit on top? No thanks, much better ways to spend a Sunday, especially one as nice as yesterday.

I keep reading the league has a shot of the game called "All 22," a long distance shot showing all 22 players at once.

They use these films for scouting plays and just as historical documents and such.

But they won't let anyone see the All 22 footage. I hear the reason is that when you're far back from the field and have a high vantage, you can see that there are really only six plays teams run (and then add in different receiver routes).

Anyway, the idea is when you see the game from the All 22 POV it looks pretty boring and repetitive.

So they won't let people see it.

Now, I don't know if this is true, and I realize that someone high up in the 3rd level at the endzone would have an All 22 perspective. But maybe just the excitement of being there overcomes seeing the All 22 repetitiveness.

Posted by: ace at October 02, 2017 02:45 PM (8rNrN)

70 Eric Paddock doesn't seem to know his brother very well--whole situation is really strange.

Posted by: phineas gage at October 02, 2017 02:45 PM (ALDN3)

71 Bet there's lots of arm linking poseurs, but no kneeling I agree. Not that I'll see, even if I watched a football game they probably won't show any of that on TV.

Which, you know, you'd think would annoy the players, since it takes the cameras off their big selfish demonstration of virtue.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 02, 2017 02:45 PM (39g3+)

72
btw, "Perfectly Frank" would make a great name for tv series about a guy named Frank who solves mysteries with humor and wit.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at October 02, 2017 02:45 PM (f7hW7)

73 Truer words.

Posted by: slypork at October 02, 2017 02:45 PM (IDoHE)

74 >> More to the point, the players are self-centered and inside a media bubble.

Also, most are sporting a barely functional 8th grade education.

Posted by: garrett at October 02, 2017 02:46 PM (HYDPz)

75 Years ago I heard a great line from a CEO whose name I've since forgotten: it can take you months to earn a new customer ... and seconds to lose an existing one.

Posted by: ShainS at October 02, 2017 02:46 PM (ysII6)

76
I'd rather watch a 3-hour loop of Fluffy White Kitten What Looks Like A Stuffed Animal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCoo4dVDvu8

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at October 02, 2017 02:43 PM (f7hW7)

That's the cutest thing in the entire universe. Ace needs to give it a sidebar, especially today.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 02, 2017 02:46 PM (PY9jH)

77 Wow, CBS fired that exec that said the people deserved it since they were probably Trump supporters.

Posted by: Benji Carver at October 02, 2017 02:46 PM (OD2ni)

78 Dear peasants,

Be sure to use your Samsung Galaxy quest VR II XBA with the Verizon network to keep up to date on all the latest action, scores, and news for your favorite team while enjoying the crisp taste of Coke. It's the perfect thing to quaff when focusing on our shared value of diversity and inclusion.

Best, your corporate overlords.

PS...when the NFL players and coaches thank you for being the best fans on earth, we don't mean white people or cops. Or republicans, if there are any of you fuckers that don't fit into those two aforementioned categories.

PS II. be sure to test drive an audi and get a commemorative NFL pink commemorative bobblehead to honor our female fans, who by the way, should know we got some girl refs now. It's like watching a dog playing a piano!

Posted by: Bob Loblaw at October 02, 2017 02:46 PM (XhN8Z)

79 how would i know as i won't be watching anyway.

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at October 02, 2017 02:46 PM (oGRue)

80 Breaking:
Shooter used AR-15's that where converted to full auto (illegally).

Posted by: Trish The Dish, FBN at October 02, 2017 02:46 PM (vP09u)

81 I think that the Owners' nightmare scenario was always enforcing the league's rule with regard to the anthem leading to forfeiture of games when 60+% of any given team refused to play. I think they saw that as the greater threat to the NFL than a spate of "protests" about which they could spin (Unity! Togetherness!) and gaslight the public.

I don't think they perceived that the threat to "the shield" could emerge from the fan/spectator side and now they're stuck between a rock and a hard place.

I think overall the owners are probably happy with Goodell (they keep paying him obscene amounts of money) but he really mishandled this one big time and now the league is presented with an existential crisis. The off-season would have been a good time to explain to the players what the league's brand is (patriotism, toughness, escapism) and how the "protests" endanger the brand, and in turn their livelihoods.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at October 02, 2017 02:46 PM (NrdxS)

82 "THE DESTRUCTION IS COMING FROM INSIDE THE LEAGUE! GET OUT!"

Who was league?!?

Posted by: Dang at October 02, 2017 02:46 PM (HLCoC)

83 I just don't care all that much anymore. NFL is full of anti American shitbags, that's the end of it. They're equivalent to skateboard assholes now.

Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at October 02, 2017 02:46 PM (9F7aA)

84

I think they should take a double knee, turn to their left, and do a butt humping daisy chain for a couple of minutes. Let their TRUE feelings out, since, purportedly, about 25% of the NFL either swings both ways or fully enjoys their time in the showers with manly men...

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at October 02, 2017 02:47 PM (t3kPl)

85 It would be really easy for the players to get out of this while saving face. The players' association could release a statement saying that while the players remain concerned about their social justice causes, they feel that they've sufficiently made their point, and will resume standing for the anthem.

Posted by: Farmer Joe at October 02, 2017 02:47 PM (zSMr0)

86 77 Wow, CBS fired that exec that said the people deserved it since they were probably Trump supporters.
Posted by: Benji Carver at October 02, 2017 02:46 PM (OD2ni)

If only the NFL had the cajones to purge their stupid.

Posted by: Roy at October 02, 2017 02:47 PM (7n4KQ)

87 I can't watch any less than zero. Nothing more I can do.

But here's the deal ... this isn't going to stop. The notion of "shut up and take the money" is gone. The generation playing the sports is all-in on shaping opinion.

Your sports, movies, books, television, and music will all be political going forward - and most of that political bent will be leftist. You will either accept that - find minority right-wing providers - or find other entertainment outlets.

That's just how it's going to be.

Posted by: ScoggDog at October 02, 2017 02:47 PM (3FBAK)

88
Also, most are sporting a barely functional 8th grade education.

Yeah, that's another nice by-product of this stupid fake protest: they are reminding everyone that their college education/diploma is a fraud, and so is their high school diploma.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at October 02, 2017 02:47 PM (f7hW7)

89 Done. I don't play golf but will watch golf. Its relaxing. If they get stupid then they are dead to me too.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 02, 2017 02:47 PM (QHqvr)

90 >>Anyway, the idea is when you see the game from the All 22 POV it looks pretty boring and repetitive.

Football is inherently boring.

Posted by: garrett at October 02, 2017 02:47 PM (HYDPz)

91 >>>>And that's another part of the problem. They've changed the game so much in the last several years I had already gone from watching all day on Sundays where I could to only watching one game a week. Then you add all the protest bullshit on top? No thanks, much better ways to spend a Sunday, especially one as nice as yesterday.

***

this year started off pretty good, I was going to tweet to czbwe that offense no longer seems limited to compounding defensive penalties. but I realized I don't tweet.

Posted by: Bob Loblaw at October 02, 2017 02:48 PM (XhN8Z)

92 The NY Post has a story that he was a degenerate gambler. I wonder if the Mandalay comped his room.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 02, 2017 02:48 PM (Ri/rl)

93 Oakland Raiders quarterback Derek Carr has to exit the game after taking a knee in the back from Denver Broncos defensive tackle Adam Gotsis on a sack. I'm told that Carr did not join the znthem protests then he gets a cheap shot knee in the back. Coincidence?

Yeah, probably so considering that they're both crackers but it is an example of how these protests are poisoning the game.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doppelganger To the Stars! at October 02, 2017 02:48 PM (Nwg0u)

94 Total OT moment of fashion indulgence... I liked Melania's dress at the moment of silence. Simple but flattering, neutral tones but not full on black.

Ok, back to the regular NFL rants.

Posted by: LizLem at October 02, 2017 02:48 PM (hvf9s)

95 i'll still be kneeling....in my mind

Posted by: Some NFL Player at October 02, 2017 02:48 PM (oGRue)

96 77
Wow, CBS fired that exec that said the people deserved it since they were probably Trump supporters.

Posted by: Benji Carver at October 02, 2017 02:46 PM (OD2ni)
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++One for the good guys! Now we're 1 and 367,942.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at October 02, 2017 02:48 PM (NrdxS)

97 What's the NFL?

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at October 02, 2017 02:48 PM (k6kXg)

98 Carr gets hurt... young BLACK backup comes in... and suddenly the pocket is forming again...
---
Wait, did that actually happen?

I didn't watch, but that was one of the more easily predictable answers to 'how can they make this worse'.

Posted by: Methos at October 02, 2017 02:48 PM (XQvuQ)

99 Football free weekend in our house, and IPspouse is a die hard life-long Vikings fan.
The stepdaughter brought up if we were all going to a game or two this year over drinks last night and spouse brushed it all aside with "it's college hockey season"....
Whoa.

Posted by: IP at October 02, 2017 02:48 PM (UmSfZ)

100 I'm still done for this season no matter what the NFL does. Maybe with sufficient apology I would come back next fall, but this one is done.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 02, 2017 02:48 PM (QQ+il)

101 Wow, CBS fired that exec that said the people deserved it since they were probably Trump supporters.
Posted by: Benji Carver at October 02, 2017 02:46 PM (OD2ni)
----------

Good for them, and for doing it so quickly. I really didn't think they had any way out of that BUT to fire her but that didn't mean they'd do it. So I'm glad they did it, and quickly.

Posted by: bluebell at October 02, 2017 02:48 PM (UoSKV)

102 Sine we are talking about the NFL kneeling - I never understood how this protest was supposed to work.

What exactly did they want to happen so they would stop kneeling?

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at October 02, 2017 02:49 PM (hMwEB)

103 77 Wow, CBS fired that exec that said the people deserved it since they were probably Trump supporters.
Posted by: Benji Carver at October 02, 2017 02:46 PM (OD2ni)

Good for them.

Posted by: WisRich at October 02, 2017 02:49 PM (G0vdT)

104 69 Posted by: ace at October 02, 2017 02:45 PM (8rNrN)

Absolutely true and part of what I was alluding to back in '08 when I started agitating on the issue ace.

*Here* is a link to "The NFL Offense"

http://tinyurl.com/lckdgf

Smart Football-The NFL Offense

by Chris Brown

Essentially the NFL peaked between 1978 and 1998....the rest is noise.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 02, 2017 02:49 PM (SzZnW)

105 what? They fired (((^Hayley^ Geftman-Gold)))-(((^Hayley^-**Lattman**))) (((bin **Latman** Gold-Geftman))) ??

Posted by: Bob Loblaw at October 02, 2017 02:49 PM (XhN8Z)

106 It has evolved from an organization that fined Jim McMahon for writing messages on his headbands to one that ignored players perpetuating the lie of "hands up, don't shoot." From blocking the Dallas Cowboys from honoring five police officers who were murdered by a militant racist inspired by anti-police activists to ignoring Colin Kaepernick wearing socks portraying police as pigs.

Now, class, what is the pattern here? Melanin apparently protects not only against sun burn, amirite?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 02, 2017 02:49 PM (SRKgf)

107
Pro-sports fans *overlook* a lot because of love of the game and the uniform.

But every time these idiots athletes open their yaps, they remind the fans 1) they're overpaid, 2) they're ignorant, and 3) they're ungrateful.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at October 02, 2017 02:49 PM (f7hW7)

108 Cleveland fans can still watch the Browns and not support professional football.

Posted by: josephistan at October 02, 2017 02:49 PM (7HtZB)

109
Wow, CBS fired that exec that said the people deserved it since they were probably Trump supporters.

Posted by: Benji Carver at October 02, 2017 02:46 PM (OD2ni)

Seriously? Where did you see that? I hope with all my heart it's true.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 02, 2017 02:49 PM (PY9jH)

110 Anyway, the idea is when you see the game from the All 22 POV it looks pretty boring and repetitive.

Its pretty boring and repetative as is. I imagine its a lot more fun to watch if you've played the game though.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 02, 2017 02:49 PM (39g3+)

111 Posted by: ace at October 02, 2017 02:45 PM (8rNrN)

The NFL began making the All-22 available a couple years ago if you subscribe to the NFL Game Pass. It's called the "Coaches Film".

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at October 02, 2017 02:49 PM (UBzPO)

112 Trump being correct regarding something to do with celebrity or entertainment shouldn't be a reach for any one to believe. The man has been demanding - and getting - the spotlight for the past forty years.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Tailgate Special! Follies & Fulminations 50% Off at The Outrage Outlet! at October 02, 2017 02:49 PM (hLRSq)

113 The players are going to stand, without any orders from the owners/coaches. There might be a few who don't, but only a few.

Posted by: not the mama at October 02, 2017 02:50 PM (GCQK2)

114 77 Wow, CBS fired that exec that said the people deserved it since they were probably Trump supporters.
Posted by: Benji Carver at October 02, 2017 02:46 PM (OD2ni)

Amazing. Behold the Trump effect in action.

Can you imagine this happening if Hillarhoid were in the WH?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 02, 2017 02:50 PM (SRKgf)

115 Here's the story on CBS firing that lawyer:

http://tinyurl.com/ya5ng63g

"This individual, who was with us for approximately one year, violated the standards of our company and is no longer an employee of CBS," CBS said in a statement. "Her views as expressed on social media are deeply unacceptable to all of us at CBS. Our hearts go out to the victims in Las Vegas and their families."

Posted by: Tami at October 02, 2017 02:50 PM (Enq6K)

116 80 Breaking:
Shooter used AR-15's that where converted to full auto (illegally).
Posted by: Trish The Dish, FBN at October 02, 2017 02:46 PM (vP09u)

Yeah, easier to get a lightning link than spend $10,000+ for a suicide run. Probably like those LA bank robbers with the full auto AKs.

Posted by: Iblis at October 02, 2017 02:50 PM (9221z)

117 Oh, and fuck Gregg Popovitch too....

Posted by: Sponge at October 02, 2017 02:50 PM (xttKs)

118 90. Yes it is. I think the prolonged breaks between play is to let the fat ass "athletes " catch their breath.

Posted by: Dang at October 02, 2017 02:50 PM (HLCoC)

119
The fans that would be leaving the NFL behind are their most important fans, they're older and the ones that have a team loyalty.Most young fans are more into the fantasy football or gambling aspect and have no real loyalty to the league or teams themselves.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at October 02, 2017 02:50 PM (lKyWE)

120 Sven is back and no longer talking in tongues!

Hockey.

Wednesday.

GO HAWKS!

Posted by: garrett at October 02, 2017 02:50 PM (HYDPz)

121 @ace.

That's not true. NFL markets a "Game Pass" which offers All-22 film for all games.

Posted by: boniface ballers at October 02, 2017 02:51 PM (m/Gc2)

122 I wonder if the fact that popular teams like The Cowboy's, Patriot's and Giant's ( biggest market) are having sub-par or shitty seasons thus far are going to play into the NFL's declining ratings--and perhaps even give cover for the damage the anthem protests have caused.

Posted by: JoeF. at October 02, 2017 02:51 PM (7uYFy)

123 >>>(Actually, in my experience, it's women who are really good at this -- the total break, the binary on-off switch, the hard goodbye -- but bear in mind, that's my experience. You have to keep in mind, women feel incredibly empowered and liberated to be rid of me.)

Is the soundtrack to Ace's fasting 'Everybody Hurts'?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 02, 2017 02:51 PM (lqd9d)

124 What exactly did they want to happen so they would stop kneeling?

And what exactly did they think kneeling would cause?

Its like all protests, when you go, you think its about the cause, but in truth, its about... you.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 02, 2017 02:51 PM (39g3+)

125 Does the NHL have an All-12 feed? 'Cuz that would actually be an improvement, to see the plays unfolding.

Posted by: Roy at October 02, 2017 02:51 PM (7n4KQ)

126 lol Loblaw. iswydt.

inb4 the stormfootfetishers from last thread.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 02, 2017 02:51 PM (Z86mf)

127 What exactly did they want to happen so they would stop kneeling?
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at October 02, 2017 02:49 PM (hMwEB)

Good point votermom. You'd think the media would ask that simple question.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 02, 2017 02:51 PM (Ri/rl)

128 Wow, CBS fired that exec that said the people deserved it since they were probably Trump supporters.
Posted by: Benji Carver at October 02, 2017 02:46 PM (OD2ni)

Of course. But the real story is that most left wingers actually feel that way and just keep in under cover or in their echo chambers. This particular POS let it out in public

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 02, 2017 02:51 PM (5y11N)

129 Sine we are talking about the NFL kneeling - I never understood how this protest was supposed to work.

What exactly did they want to happen so they would stop kneeling?
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at October 02, 2017 02:49 PM (hMwEB)
------------

Great question, votermom. I don't think anyone ever said. I don't think anyone ever had a specific action they wanted done. Other than, "look at me."

Posted by: bluebell at October 02, 2017 02:51 PM (UoSKV)

130 I will secretly admit I went to Tea Party rallies in part hoping to meet a lady. I saw a lot, but never met any.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 02, 2017 02:51 PM (39g3+)

131 80 Breaking:
Shooter used AR-15's that where converted to full auto (illegally).

Posted by: Trish The Dish, FBN at October 02, 2017 02:46 PM (vP09u)

Yeah, as noted in last thread.

What pesky block is that?

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 02, 2017 02:30 PM (tbOMB)

Don't ask, don't tell.

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at October 02, 2017 02:34 PM (t3kPl)
If you are referring to the Colt lower blocks that prevent popping in a drop in full auto sear, only Colt altered their lowers (don't know if they still do) to prevent this, to my knowledge. As I recall, modifying an AK is even easier.

We are not talking about milling operations to go from semi to full. Select fire, sure, would be more difficult.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 02, 2017 02:52 PM (tbOMB)

132 So who chose Colon Kapernick as the form of the destructor?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at October 02, 2017 02:52 PM (oGRue)

133 >>>And that's another part of the problem. They've
changed the game so much in the last several years I had already gone
from watching all day on Sundays where I could to only watching one game
a week. Then you add all the protest bullshit on top? No thanks, much
better ways to spend a Sunday, especially one as nice as yesterday.

Posted by: John Marston at October 02, 2017 02:41 PM (SkuXa)<<<

Ah. The NASCAR Gambit.
Let's penalize each team differently for the same infractions. Let's add a Chase. Let's increase the size of the field in the Chase (because Jr. isn't making it). Let's add an elimination to the Chase. Let's throw b.s. caution flags at the end of races to make things more interesting. Let's take a way the variation in each of the car makes. Let's make things more dangerous at super speedways, because waiting for "The Big One" type wrecks keep everyone waiting with baited breath.
Goodhell < Brian France

Posted by: an indifferent penguin at October 02, 2017 02:52 PM (ikvbz)

134 cure's Pictures Of You > Everybody Hurts

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 02, 2017 02:52 PM (Z86mf)

135 But the real story is that most left wingers actually feel that way and just keep in under cover or in their echo chambers.

Well yeah, she was fired for saying it where non-believers could hear and confirm she said it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 02, 2017 02:52 PM (39g3+)

136 98 Carr gets hurt... young BLACK backup comes in... and suddenly the pocket is forming again...
---
Wait, did that actually happen?

I didn't watch, but that was one of the more easily predictable answers to 'how can they make this worse'.
Posted by: Methos at October 02, 2017 02:48 PM (XQvuQ)

Yup.... Carr got hurt... knee to the back during a sack...

Kid comes in and somehow engineers two drives to almost win the game...

Ends with an interception throwing into double coverage... rookie mistake...

But the pocket was solid for those last 2 drives... kid had a LOT of time... suddenly...

Posted by: Don Q. at October 02, 2017 02:52 PM (NgKpN)

137 Also, most are sporting a barely functional 8th grade education.

-
Are we talking about Jemele Hill and the other ESPN hosts?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doppelganger To the Stars! at October 02, 2017 02:52 PM (Nwg0u)

138 The damage to the NFL began when Commissioner Roger Goodell chose to side with left-wing activists over the game...

++++

This. And, this also reveals the obvious way for the NFL to start the process of reconnecting with its disaffected former fans.

Scapegoat Goodell. He has lost sight of his primary mission: providing entertainment to the fans of pro football.

Fire Goodell.
Hire a replacement that explicitly disavows Goodell's management and promises to respect the NFL's fans.
Then do that. No politics on the field. No kneeling, no linking arms. No during the anthem, not before the anthem, not after the anthem. None of it.
Players can do politics off the field and out of uniform, where fans can either cheer them on or ignore them; all while still having the option to watch games without the bullshit.

The foolish decisions of some owners to join these protests on the field has complicated this strategy, but it is still their best way forward.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at October 02, 2017 02:52 PM (FUu/Z)

139 "Seriously? Where did you see that? I hope with all my heart it's true.
Posted by: Jane D'oh"

I hope I don't get sent to The Barrel for this but here:

http://www.thewrap.com/cbs-exec-fired-deeply-unacceptable-republican-las-vegas-shooting/

Posted by: Benji Carver at October 02, 2017 02:52 PM (OD2ni)

140 111 Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at October 02, 2017 02:49 PM (UBzPO)

Yes Brian, and there *are* about 6 plays ran from about 24 formations.

Compare and contrast to 1978-1998 when there were no less than seven competing offensive and four defensive philosophies in play.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 02, 2017 02:52 PM (SzZnW)

141 "This individual, who was with us for approximately one year, violated the standards of our company and is no longer an employee of CBS," CBS said in a statement. "Her views as expressed on social media are deeply unacceptable to all of us at CBS. Our hearts go out to the victims in Las Vegas and their families."
Posted by: Tami

That's too bad she got fired. I'm going to take a knee for her.
No, wait, I'm going to have a drink and laugh like hell

Posted by: Bruce at October 02, 2017 02:52 PM (8ikIW)

142 This shooting is hitting the music community pretty hard. We don't like having fans shot at shows.

Nugent (usually a big mouth) posted a flag at half mast. No words, just the flag. Lots of other posts from musicians who are horrified, many whom I know are liberals, but no stupid stuff from them at all.

Others are not looking forward to having to perform tonight, but will of course.

Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 02, 2017 02:53 PM (3myMJ)

143
Sven is back and no longer talking in tongues!

Sven hasn't changed a bit.

We have.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at October 02, 2017 02:53 PM (f7hW7)

144 >>>77 Wow, CBS fired that exec that said the people deserved it since they were probably Trump supporters.
Posted by: Benji Carver at October 02, 2017 02:46 PM (OD2ni)

Yay.

Posted by: m at October 02, 2017 02:53 PM (7n0Ay)

145 Pictures Of You > Everybody Hurts

Cure > REM

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 02, 2017 02:53 PM (39g3+)

146 Eventually the NFL players will announce they have said what they wanted to and end their protests. Only complete idiots will let them off the hook.

Posted by: Dang at October 02, 2017 02:39 PM (HLCoC)

Unfortunately there are a lot of sports fans who will blindly still follow their teams even if players came to their house shit in the faces and burned their house down.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 02, 2017 02:53 PM (493sH)

147 115
Here's the story on CBS firing that lawyer:

http://tinyurl.com/ya5ng63g

"This individual, who was with us for approximately one year,
violated the standards of our company and is no longer an employee of
CBS," CBS said in a statement. "Her views as expressed on social media
are deeply unacceptable to all of us at CBS. Our hearts go out to the
victims in Las Vegas and their families."

Posted by: Tami at October 02, 2017 02:50 PM (Enq6K)

Win.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 02, 2017 02:53 PM (tbOMB)

148 The 59th victim: Hayley Geftman-Goldschitz's career.

Posted by: zombie at October 02, 2017 02:53 PM (DQ4Fv)

149
We now understand and speak Svenese, is what I'm saying.

Age of Trump, and all that.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at October 02, 2017 02:53 PM (f7hW7)

150 "This individual, who was with us for approximately one year, violated the standards of our company and is no longer an employee of CBS," CBS said in a statement. "Her views as expressed on social media are deeply unacceptable to all of us at CBS. Our hearts go out to the victims in Las Vegas and their families."
Posted by: Tami at October 02, 2017 02:50 PM (Enq6K)

Nasty SJW runs yap, thinking she'll get high fives, but gets the boot instead.

Me likey.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 02, 2017 02:54 PM (SRKgf)

151 I like REM but their earlier discs sound like the lead singer was in another room. Radio Free Europe, you can barely hear his echoing voice somewhere distant. Very odd mixing.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 02, 2017 02:54 PM (39g3+)

152 Great.

I think CBS will hire her back as a consultant.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at October 02, 2017 02:54 PM (PFy0L)

153 If the NFL wants to display unity, perhaps it could pick an object that unites all Americans...say, the flag of the country we're all citizens of, and hoist that symbol high.

And then they could pick a song we're all familiar with, like...say...the national anthem of the country we're all citizens of.

And maybe all their employees can stand respectfully at attention while we play the song and look at the object?

Posted by: Oschisms at October 02, 2017 02:54 PM (70QTT)

154 But the real story is that most left wingers actually feel that way and just keep in under cover or in their echo chambers. This particular POS let it out in public

+++

Yup. Their twilight struggle.

Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at October 02, 2017 02:54 PM (9F7aA)

155 >>> "This individual, who was with us for approximately one year, violated the standards of our company and is no longer an employee of CBS," CBS said in a statement. "Her views as expressed on social media are deeply unacceptable to all of us at CBS. Our hearts go out to the victims in Las Vegas and their families."

A TV network, doing the right thing? Hold on I need to sit down I might faint from shock.

The key will be if she can't get rehired at another lefty outfit. Unlikely, but would be encouraging.

Posted by: LizLem at October 02, 2017 02:54 PM (hvf9s)

156 Scrunt will have another job with some left wing firm within the week.

Posted by: steevy at October 02, 2017 02:54 PM (rmVvL)

157 >>>The NFL has injected a lot of grimy, ugly reality into a thing we were turning to precisely because we were looking for a four-hour break from reality.

Maybe that's part of what motivated the protests. The instigators are thinking "there are innocent sweet little Michael Browns being gunned down in the street! And these complacent white people just sit there laughing and shouting! Well, I'll wipe that smile off their faces. I spit on their flag and on their anthem!"

Posted by: Rogered Goodell at October 02, 2017 02:54 PM (/qEW2)

158 Does anyone know if mandalay bay had a sign at the front door saying firearms not allowed in the premises?

Posted by: Colin bakernick at October 02, 2017 02:55 PM (TD/2i)

159 I bet if you picked a team and had 15 kneelers and asked them why you would get 15 different answers

Posted by: Skip at October 02, 2017 02:55 PM (ghofu)

160 149 Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at October 02, 2017 02:53 PM (f7hW7)

Were I a jerk, I could point out my usual sin is being 6-18 months ahead of the power curve on issues.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 02, 2017 02:55 PM (SzZnW)

161 156 Scrunt will have another job with some left wing firm within the week.
Posted by: steevy at October 02, 2017 02:54 PM (rmVvL)

The View hiring?

Posted by: Roy at October 02, 2017 02:55 PM (7n4KQ)

162 Hmm. It seems counter-productive to protest police protection after a mass murderer shoots up a gathering of people much like a football game. I wonder if they're having difficulty beefing up security at Arrowhead stadium.

Posted by: Fritz at October 02, 2017 02:55 PM (2Mnv1)

163 Wow, CBS fired that exec that said the people deserved it since they were probably Trump supporters.

Posted by: Benji Carver at October 02, 2017 02:46 PM (OD2ni)

A career at MSNBC beckons.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 02, 2017 02:55 PM (493sH)

164 Pink Ribbon month is here. That will make everything better!!!!!

Posted by: Roger Goodhell at October 02, 2017 02:55 PM (ikvbz)

165 This one is a teacher.Will she be fired?

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/277222/

Posted by: steevy at October 02, 2017 02:55 PM (rmVvL)

166 The weekly NFL injury report is more about their wives and girlfriends.

Posted by: R. DUKE at October 02, 2017 02:55 PM (O2LSH)

167 >>I like REM but their earlier discs sound like the lead singer was in another room. Radio Free Europe, you can barely hear his echoing voice somewhere distant. Very odd mixing.

The CDs?

Yeah, those are mastered pretty poorly.

The original pressings of the LPs, though...they sound good. I used to have a complete set of WLP copies. Sold them a few years back.

Posted by: garrett at October 02, 2017 02:55 PM (HYDPz)

168 Will tonoght end the NFL kneeling protests?

Oh Hell no. THey're in it for the long haul.

PS:The top legal executive at CBS, Hayley Geftman-Gold,
who disparaged the Vegas crowd, has been fired.

Posted by: Under Fire at October 02, 2017 02:56 PM (mcI77)

169 "132 So who chose Colon Kapernick as the form of the destructor?
Posted by: Buzzsaw90"

I actually credit Mike Florio and whoever at NBC made the decision to make ProFootballTalk a major player in NFL media. Relentless SJW posturing 24/7/365.

Posted by: Benji Carver at October 02, 2017 02:56 PM (OD2ni)

170 Sine we are talking about the NFL kneeling - I never understood how this protest was supposed to work.

What exactly did they want to happen so they would stop kneeling?
--------------------------------

That's why I said from the beginning they had no positive way out.

Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 02, 2017 02:56 PM (3myMJ)

171
Were I a jerk, I could point out my usual sin is being 6-18 months ahead of the power curve on issues.

If you did that, you'd be stealing my shtick. I am, after all, the soothsayer. And I am a jerk.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at October 02, 2017 02:56 PM (f7hW7)

172 152 Great.

I think CBS will hire her back as a consultant.
Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at October 02, 2017 02:54 PM (PFy0L)

Heh. They'll have to get behind MSNBC and Disney/ESPN.

Posted by: Iblis at October 02, 2017 02:56 PM (9221z)

173 When you add the affectation of the parenthesis crowd plus the hypen zealots together, you get something that looks mildly amusing, I was like, why not keep adding signifiers to a name?

Posted by: Bob Loblaw at October 02, 2017 02:56 PM (XhN8Z)

174 A truly smart NCAA Program would install "the NFL Offense" and focus on grooming classic 5 read, seven step QBs....

Posted by: sven10077 at October 02, 2017 02:56 PM (SzZnW)

175 The NFL turned me off years ago with their arbitrary rules, 4-1/2 hr games, and 20 minute overturned plays that need "introvertible" (non-controversial) evidence berore tasting the pudding on the cake. In fact, the final insult was the "score; commercial; kickoff OOB; commercial" format, pioneered by ABC Monday Night Football.

Posted by: bergerbilder at October 02, 2017 02:56 PM (lIZQs)

176
NFL injury reports are for gamblers

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at October 02, 2017 02:56 PM (lKyWE)

177 looks like her Schitz were not made of Gold after all. *flush*

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 02, 2017 02:57 PM (Z86mf)

178 So, now there will temporarily be less kneeling and more raised fists on the field when they sack a white quarterback.

Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 02, 2017 02:57 PM (3myMJ)

179 161
156 Scrunt will have another job with some left wing firm within the week.

Posted by: steevy at October 02, 2017 02:54 PM (rmVvL)

The View hiring?

________

Nope, but ESPN is...

Posted by: IP at October 02, 2017 02:57 PM (UmSfZ)

180
Fire Goodell.
Hire a replacement that explicitly disavows Goodell's management and promises to respect the NFL's fans.
Then do that. No politics on the field. No kneeling, no linking arms. No during the anthem, not before the anthem, not after the anthem. None of it.
Players can do politics off the field and out of uniform, where fans can either cheer them on or ignore them; all while still having the option to watch games without the bullshit.

The foolish decisions of some owners to join these protests on the field has complicated this strategy, but it is still their best way forward.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at October 02, 2017 02:52 PM (FUu/Z)

Didn't Condaleeza Rice say she wanted to be NFL director? That might bring things back in order.

Posted by: moki at October 02, 2017 02:57 PM (V+V48)

181 By the way, Ace, great point about disappointed fans and fulfilling something that they have fundamentally betrayed lately. They forgot what they were doing and what they were all about and are paying the price.

Baseball lost fans because its not as good on TV as Football and people have no patience any longer. Football is driving fans away out of stupidity and arrogance.

Driving them into the arms of soccer, I fear.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 02, 2017 02:57 PM (39g3+)

182
Let's give NDT a few more hours to figure out how SCIENCE! and hurricanes can be combined to make everything right againshall we?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 02, 2017 02:57 PM (pNxlR)

183 I can forgive, but not forget.
The NFL can all go die in a fire for all I care.

Posted by: navybrat at October 02, 2017 02:57 PM (w7KSn)

184 "Her views as expressed on social media are deeply unacceptable to all of us at CBS.

---

But her views as thought are totes cool with us!

Posted by: All of us at CBS at October 02, 2017 02:57 PM (oGRue)

185 Sine we are talking about the NFL kneeling - I never understood how this protest was supposed to work.

What exactly did they want to happen so they would stop kneeling?
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at October 02, 2017 02:49 PM (hMwEB)
------------

Great question, votermom. I don't think anyone ever said. I don't think anyone ever had a specific action they wanted done. Other than, "look at me."

Posted by: bluebell

Virtue signaling to show how woke they were.
They seriously underestimated what kneeling during the National Anthem meant.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 02, 2017 02:57 PM (gR+IE)

186

Bet Goodell has a NYC carry permit.

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at October 02, 2017 02:57 PM (t3kPl)

187 177 looks like her Schitz were not made of Gold after all. *flush*
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 02, 2017 02:57 PM (Z86mf)

This is why I love the Horde.

Brilliant freaking minds.

Posted by: moki at October 02, 2017 02:57 PM (V+V48)

188 >>If you did that, you'd be stealing my shtick. I am, after all, the soothsayer. And I am a jerk.

In your defense, you are only a wanker when you can't find a convenient fucking monkey.

Posted by: garrett at October 02, 2017 02:58 PM (HYDPz)

189 " in my experience, it's women who are really good at this -- the total break, the binary on-off switch, the hard goodbye "
----------------------------
Women are more fickle --- La donna e mobile! But that is because they are more naturally monogamous. They can only focus on one man at a time. So as soon as they have another prospect, they can easily break completely with the current guy.

Men are more possessive. They want to hold on to what they've got, even if they have other prospects. Look at OJ, obsessing over Nicole when he has a gorgeous fiancee at his side.

This is why adultery by the female is far more destabilizing to the intact family. The female will naturally want to settle on her new love alone. The male is apt to want to keep BOTH women. As the country song said, he wants to have his Kate and Edith too.

(I generalize, of course.)

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 02, 2017 02:58 PM (0jtPF)

190 Of course. But the real story is that most left wingers actually feel that way and just keep in under cover or in their echo chambers. This particular POS let it out in public
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 02, 2017 02:51 PM (5y11N)

True, but it's a start. We can force them to self-censor THEIR speech too.

Except in their case, self-censorship is generally appropriate. In our case, it oftentimes amounts to suppressing painful truths that others don't want to hear.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 02, 2017 02:58 PM (SRKgf)

191 will secretly admit I went to Tea Party rallies in part hoping to meet a lady. I saw a lot, but never met any.

+++

But I went down to the demonstration
To get my fair share of abuse
Singing We're gonna vent our frustrations
If we don't we gonna blow a fifty amp fuse

Posted by: You Cant Always Get What You Want at October 02, 2017 02:58 PM (9F7aA)

192 170 Sine we are talking about the NFL kneeling - I never understood how this protest was supposed to work.

What exactly did they want to happen so they would stop kneeling?

***

well, you know, when you're sure you're going to make leauge minimum for the rest of your life (minus the 50%+ in taxes and agent fees), you don't have much to worry about.

Srs tho, I used to feel bad for players getting fucked on the taxes. Plus, they aren't millionaires for the most part, a lot get paid, what, $650K a year.

Posted by: Bob Loblaw at October 02, 2017 02:58 PM (XhN8Z)

193
Actually, in my experience, it's women who are really good at this -- the total break, the binary on-off switch, the hard goodbye -- but bear in mind, that's my experience.

So your real name isn't Chad, right?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 02, 2017 02:58 PM (BWL+E)

194 Actually, I do want to see some kneeing players in the next few weeks.

I'd like to see some kneeling during the Pink Ribbon events, to raise awareness for... oh, I don't know... prostate cancer.

I'm sure the League won't see that as disrespectful to those tributes, and won't come down with all their wrath on a player who did such a thing.

Posted by: an indifferent penguin at October 02, 2017 02:58 PM (ikvbz)

195 It seriously sucks that this is a "The Left Wins Either Way" proposition.

They either get to co-opt another institution into a Left-Wing Echo Chamber, or they get us to destroy it for them (and they've wanted the NFL destroyed for at least 20 years now).

Posted by: Hikaru at October 02, 2017 02:58 PM (WDCYi)

196 The League has just made one shitty decision after another.

The ever-encroaching reality TV vibe to football (not necessarily the NFL's fault, this is more sports media) with TMZ videos and arrests and suspensions for spanking kids and commentators talking about that all day instead of the game.

The increasingly absurd length of time during the actual game spent on commercial breaks and things other than game play.

The instant replays that take forever.

The rules changes that make the game "safer" (also seem to allow for more commercial breaks.)

The way they handled the whole concussion thing (rock and hard place there, though, so I can't wholly blame anyone).

The way the whole deflategate thing was handled.

And of course, the sometimes-politics-is-banned, sometimes-its-encouraged thing. Which I think was really just the final straw for a lot of people.

I dont know, just some observations. I'm far from a loyal NFL fan. Just an occasional watcher surrounded by die-hard NFL nuts.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 02, 2017 02:59 PM (wmaTe)

197
Driving them into the arms of soccer, I fear.

Yeah soccer has two 45 minute halves with NO commercials.

Posted by: R. DUKE at October 02, 2017 02:59 PM (O2LSH)

198

I hate fucking monkeys with all my heart.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at October 02, 2017 02:59 PM (f7hW7)

199 The nfl allowed their brand to be infected by politics and become a launching pad for the personal politics of the players. Shame.
My formerly beloved colts released a statement along the lines of they encourage their players to use their platform for this. That's the nfl's problem now, they are a platform for politics and not football. This was the first weekend in a very very long time i purposely watched no nfl games. I dont miss it that much. I still check scores for pools and betting etc on my phone but i don't really need to watch or participate in any revenue generation for them

Posted by: Colin bakernick at October 02, 2017 02:59 PM (xRQ1r)

200 I don't care what you say, it was brave of Colin Kaepernick to break into that shooter's room. Oh, wait--he only donated $25k to teach little girls how to shoot cops in the face Shakur-style.

Same thing, when you think about it

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at October 02, 2017 02:59 PM (Ndje9)

201 Didn't Condaleeza Rice say she wanted to be NFL director? That might bring things back in order.

Show up first meeting of the owners in stompy boots with a 10 foot bull whip and 3 rottweilers.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 02, 2017 02:59 PM (39g3+)

202 moki, sometimes I wonder if I'll ever feel guilty about potty jokes, but then a softball like this comes up...

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 02, 2017 02:59 PM (Z86mf)

203 Oh boy. Shep is on.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 02, 2017 02:59 PM (PY9jH)

204
Poor Hayley Goldstein-Goldblatt-Goldberg and O'Brien. O'Brien speaking. Gee, I wonder where an employee of CBS thought expressing her hate of us was a-okay?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 02, 2017 02:59 PM (493sH)

205 So who chose Colon Kapernick as the form of the destructor?

The NFL died of Colin cancer.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 02, 2017 02:59 PM (gR+IE)

206 I don't understand the people blaming Goodell for anything. His job is to do exactly what the owners tell him to do and deflect as much heat as possible away from the owners onto himself. That's why he's paid $40+ million per year.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at October 02, 2017 02:59 PM (UBzPO)

207 I knew my daughter went to Vegas last month. Just learned she stayed on the 32nd floor at the Mandalay, right down the hall.

Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 02, 2017 02:59 PM (3myMJ)

208
Driving them into the arms of soccer, I fear.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 02, 2017 02:57 PM (39g3+)

Then the head injuries will be occurring in the stands.

Posted by: Northerlurker, Still Lurking After All These Years. at October 02, 2017 02:59 PM (nBr1j)

209 183 Posted by: navybrat at October 02, 2017 02:57 PM (w7KSn)

I hopped on board back in 2008 when Roger Goody went out of his way to schedule to Obama's needs and not McCain's.

I had what those of us "blessed" with alcoholism call "a moment of clarity" and took a hard look at the quality of the game.

Do recall I used to post "compare and contrast" youtube offerings.

Watch the 1983 NFC and AFC championship games and tell me the modern game is superior.....

if I want to watch an adult pretend to pee like a dog I can go to uptown Butte and look at Hoboes I do not need the NFL for that.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 02, 2017 03:00 PM (SzZnW)

210 I think they are going to be surprised how many people are saying goodbye. I know people I never thought would leave the game. These are Jersey wearing, don't miss a game, tailgate freaks. They are gone.

When you take sides, selfishly, in a fight that is mostly based on a lie, you lose and lose big.

I see they are even trying to make it like this has nothing to do with our anthem.

*makes OK sign and jerking motion with hand*

Posted by: Marcus T at October 02, 2017 03:00 PM (NMCva)

211 Virtue signaling to show how woke they were. They seriously underestimated what kneeling during the National Anthem meant.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 02, 2017 02:57 PM (gR+IE)

Let's face it, Club 85 doesn't feature a lot of deep thinkers.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 02, 2017 03:00 PM (SRKgf)

212 >>> Fire Goodell.
Hire a replacement that explicitly disavows Goodell's management and promises to respect the NFL's fans.

Just enforce their frickin' rules, which demand standing for the flag. Easy peasy. But yes I think it will take firing Goodell for that to happen.

The idea of hiring Condi to replace him? Golden! She has wanted it for years. Plus black and female, since that matters to the SJWs. I hope someone is listening.

Posted by: LizLem at October 02, 2017 03:00 PM (hvf9s)

213 >>.This is why adultery by the female is far more destabilizing to the intact family. The female will naturally want to settle on her new love alone. The male is apt to want to keep BOTH women. As the country song said, he wants to have his Kate and Edith too.

KATE!

Who is Kate???

Oh, Archie...

Posted by: Edith Bunker at October 02, 2017 03:00 PM (HYDPz)

214 You have to keep in mind, women feel incredibly empowered and liberated to be rid of me.

You can't corner that market. Sorry!

Posted by: goon at October 02, 2017 03:00 PM (EaQ6/)

215 184 "Her views as expressed on social media are deeply unacceptable to all of us at CBS.

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But her views as thought are totes cool with us!
Posted by: All of us at CBS

CBS' statement, translated to be more clearly expressed:

"The fact that she expressed her views on social media is unacceptable. She should have just said them verbally in the office where there is no permanent record of her opinions! We totally agree with her sentiments -- just not the way she foolishly chose to express them. So we'e firing her for poor communication skills, not poor opinions."

Posted by: zombie at October 02, 2017 03:00 PM (DQ4Fv)

216
Oh boy. Shep is on.

....

click!

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at October 02, 2017 03:00 PM (f7hW7)

217 call this number at Budweiser 1800-342-5283 to protest their sponsorship of the NFL

Posted by: olhardhead at October 02, 2017 03:00 PM (sOnfk)

218 CBS fired that hag from 2 posts below who said she didn't have sympathy for the CW fans because they were "Republican gun toters."

Good. I'm glad -- I hope the NY State bar takes her license away too.

BUT -- that woman was comfortable posting that vileness and, yes, racism, on FB because everyone in her circle thinks the same way. So really, she is 1 of many at CBS and firing her doesn't really do much for CBS News except temporarily coating them in a facade of respectability.

Posted by: Dancing Queen E. Lee at October 02, 2017 03:00 PM (lZaEn)

219 I hate fucking monkeys with all my heart.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at October 02, 2017 02:59 PM (f7hW7)
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You should stop then.

Posted by: Axeman at October 02, 2017 03:00 PM (2mC6G)

220 "77 Wow, CBS fired that exec that said the people deserved it since they were probably Trump supporters. "

I'm sure her unemployment will last only a couple of hours. Over to MSNBC.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 02, 2017 03:01 PM (l9m7l)

221 AFter this cools down I'd be interested to know if the NFL had any #BLM or #BLM-friendly people reach out to them and suggest they let Kaepernick do his thing for the good of the country, because sometimes you have to go through some inconveniences to affect change 'n stuff.

Just curious...

Posted by: Lizzy at October 02, 2017 03:01 PM (W+vEI)

222 I have to say I am quite pleased with the Baltimore Ravens right at the moment. They are playing so shitty that it's made my decision not to watch anymore an easy one these past 2 weeks. I've talked to a couple of people who did watch, and my thought has been "Well thank God I didn't waste my time watching that".

Posted by: weirddave at October 02, 2017 03:01 PM (Eh7+L)

223 165 This one is a teacher.Will she be fired?

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/277222/

Posted by: steevy at October 02, 2017 02:55 PM (rmVvL)

And she's deleted her Twitter acct. Screen shots are forever, dipshit.

I swear these people are dumber than dirt.

Posted by: Tami at October 02, 2017 03:01 PM (Enq6K)

224 I hate fucking monkeys with all my heart.
Posted by: Soothsayer

Only use half your heart.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 02, 2017 03:01 PM (gR+IE)

225 153 If the NFL wants to display unity, perhaps it could pick an object that unites all Americans...say, the flag of the country we're all citizens of, and hoist that symbol high.

And then they could pick a song we're all familiar with, like...say...the national anthem of the country we're all citizens of.

And maybe all their employees can stand respectfully at attention while we play the song and look at the object?

Posted by: Oschisms at October 02, 2017 02:54 PM (70QTT)

++++

The best way for an NFL team to show unity is to score touchdowns. That takes unity.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at October 02, 2017 03:01 PM (FUu/Z)

226
This is why adultery by the female is far more destabilizing to the intact family. The female will naturally want to settle on her new love alone. The male is apt to want to keep BOTH women. As the country song said, he wants to have his Kate and Edith too.

(I generalize, of course.)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 02, 2017 02:58 PM (0jtPF)

I think that women will also be done once they have had enough. If a woman is in a relationship when the man cheats and cheats and cheats, eventually she will be done, and will end it, thoroughly and completely. It may take a long time getting there, but when she is done, she is done.

Or, she is a skank who is waiting for the next big thing, and when it comes along, she ditches the one she is with, no matter how awesome they are, because she is a witch who always wants shiny.

For the record, I was in the first category. Cheating and abuse are a nasty thing. When you are done, you are done.

Posted by: moki at October 02, 2017 03:01 PM (V+V48)

227 But that is because they are more naturally monogamous. They can only focus on one man at a time. So as soon as they have another prospect, they can easily break completely with the current guy.

Yeah but she'll always have another stud picked out before she leaves the last one. That's been my experience, at least. So there's no break in the continuous flow of dude.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 02, 2017 03:02 PM (39g3+)

228 By the way, America's Team my ass.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 02, 2017 03:02 PM (NMCva)

229 "The fact that she expressed her views on social media is unacceptable. She should have just said them verbally in the office where there is no permanent record of her opinions! We totally agree with her sentiments -- just not the way she foolishly chose to express them. So we'e firing her for poor communication skills, not poor opinions."

Posted by: zombie at October 02, 2017 03:00 PM (DQ4Fv)

That is exactly it

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 02, 2017 03:02 PM (493sH)

230 Fox is reporting the Hayley Geftman-Gold scrunt lawyer has been fired.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/yaaf7jb7

Posted by: bonhomme at October 02, 2017 03:02 PM (jhqr1)

231 This one is a teacher.Will she be fired?

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/277222/
Posted by: steevy at October 02, 2017 02:55 PM

Let's hope so, I won't hold my breath. I loved the one reply to her on the screen cap. LOL.

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 02, 2017 03:02 PM (INJFV)

232 Bob,

what's with the Jew-baiting?

aren't there some sites that are more receptive to that?

Posted by: ace at October 02, 2017 03:02 PM (8rNrN)

233 I see they are even trying to make it like this has nothing to do with our anthem.

*makes OK sign and jerking motion with hand*
Posted by: Marcus T at October 02, 2017 03:00 PM (NMCva)

No, nothing at all to do with the National Anthem. They just kneel during it because ... because ... uh ...

The truth: they did not anticipate the blowback, and are now trying to limit the damage as much as possible by obfuscating their original motives. Intellectually this is kind of like Bobby Fischer playing chess with a chimp.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 02, 2017 03:02 PM (SRKgf)

234 198

I hate fucking monkeys with all my heart.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at October 02, 2017 02:59 PM (f7hW7)

Maybe you should stop doing that then.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 02, 2017 03:02 PM (Ri/rl)

235 Look at the Colts' statement for the "why" of the "protests".

Mostly incoherent eye-rolling SJWbabble - that is, the sort of thing one hears everywhere, all the time, from every direction, in America, for years now.

Mythology, stupidity, avoidance. All in the service of racial grievance, i.e., a form of racism. A very pathological form, which causes massive systemic and seemingly permanent disability.

But the pathology is hardly limited to the "communities" of self-designated martyrs. A society where the concept of "disparate impact" can even be voiced without ridicule and marginalization is pretty far gone.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 02, 2017 03:02 PM (QDnY+)

236
Yeah soccer has two 45 minute halves with NO commercials.
Posted by: R. DUKE at October 02, 2017 02:59 PM (O2LSH)

I actually watched few minutes of football this weekend and in that short amount of time I noticed the constant stoppage of play has become so bad it makes it boring

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at October 02, 2017 03:03 PM (lKyWE)

237 >>That's been my experience, at least. So there's no break in the continuous flow of dude.

Is dude French for lucre?

Posted by: garrett at October 02, 2017 03:03 PM (HYDPz)

238 Didn't Condaleeza Rice say she wanted to be NFL director? That might bring things back in order.
Posted by: moki at October 02, 2017 02:57 PM (V+V4

Doubtful, just another GWB lib at war with Darth Warcock. Strobe Talbot in a skirt and thigh high boots.

Although she might actually compare about the integrity of the game; the first since Rozelle.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 02, 2017 03:03 PM (y7DUB)

239 I admit that I still look at the scores on Monday morning, but I haven't missed seeing the games at all. Not even a little. And my liquor bill is less, not a lot less, but less.

Posted by: goon at October 02, 2017 03:03 PM (EaQ6/)

240 As with the election of Trump itself, Kneelergate brought a lot of masks off, and I'm glad of that at least.

Good to learn the owner of my local NFL thinks I'm deplorable.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at October 02, 2017 03:03 PM (ul9CR)

241 "The fact that she expressed her views on social media is unacceptable. She should have just said them verbally in the office where ... "
Posted by: zombie at October 02, 2017 03:00 PM (DQ4Fv)
---
... we were already cracking on Country fans and snipers around the water coolers.

Posted by: Axeman at October 02, 2017 03:03 PM (2mC6G)

242 223 Posted by: Tami at October 02, 2017 03:01 PM (Enq6K)

She's not dumb she is indoctrinated and bathes in a marinade of hatred.

She in all likelihood *sincerely* cannot fathom what she has done wrong and why CBS is angry.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 02, 2017 03:03 PM (SzZnW)

243 For the record, I was in the first category. Cheating and abuse are a nasty thing. When you are done, you are done.

Point him out for me. I'm not as young as I used to be but I still swing a mean axe handle.

I hate fucking monkeys with all my heart.

So you do it half-heartedly?
I'm sorry I denounce myself.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 02, 2017 03:03 PM (39g3+)

244 BTW, F* Drudge for posting picks of victims.

no fan of drudge, it's Whatfinger now

Posted by: Sweet Andy Licious at October 02, 2017 03:03 PM (Mo5Uy)

245 I quit the game watching a few years ago, because it was too much of a time waster. I realized that, after all, it was just a... game.
I wonder if other people are discovering that?

Posted by: kraken at October 02, 2017 03:04 PM (zSVEm)

246 240 Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at October 02, 2017 03:03 PM (ul9CR)

The proper response is to deny them their stadium funding.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 02, 2017 03:04 PM (SzZnW)

247 >>I hate fucking monkeys with all my heart.

Why don't you just go ahead and put that back in your pants, buddy?

Posted by: Harambe's Ghost at October 02, 2017 03:04 PM (HYDPz)

248 And my liquor bill is less, not a lot less, but less.

And think of how much you've saved on nachos and chicken wings!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 02, 2017 03:05 PM (39g3+)

249 PS:The top legal executive at CBS, Hayley Geftman-Gold,

who disparaged the Vegas crowd, has been fired.

Another scalp for Twitter! Fucking idiot.

Posted by: tu3031 at October 02, 2017 03:05 PM (O5Q3r)

250
So that means the Russians got mtv to do that stupid Hey White People video that exactly echoed all the supposebly fake Russian propaganda to help Trump?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at October 02, 2017 03:05 PM (f7hW7)

251 there will still be kneelers or those allowed to stay imm the locker room because some players are now the designated standard bearers for The Struggle.

Posted by: kallisto at October 02, 2017 03:05 PM (qV5PD)

252 219 I hate fucking monkeys with all my heart.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at October 02, 2017 02:59 PM (f7hW7)
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You should stop then.
Posted by: Axeman at October 02, 2017 03:00 PM (2mC6G)

Or at least try it using a different part of your anatomy.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at October 02, 2017 03:05 PM (kUmUV)

253 Hayley Lattman Golden Goofman took her linkedin down too.

what a shande.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 02, 2017 03:05 PM (Z86mf)

254 >>>Fire Goodell.

Condoleeza Rice has always said that she would like to be NFL Commissioner.

Posted by: bergerbilder at October 02, 2017 03:05 PM (lIZQs)

255 The proper response is to deny them their stadium funding.

I'll at least deny them any ticket or merch sales. That's something I can do.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at October 02, 2017 03:05 PM (ul9CR)

256 219 I hate fucking monkeys with all my heart.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at October 02, 2017 02:59 PM (f7hW7)
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You should stop then.
Posted by: Axeman at October 02, 2017 03:00 PM (2mC6G)

---

try with all your penis instead

Posted by: All of us at CBS at October 02, 2017 03:05 PM (oGRue)

257 ""NFL owners so far siding with their players for their right to free speech, but" ...

Nothing so noble on the part of the owners ... they fear backlash if owners/coaches demand players stand for the anthem, and use (fake) "free speech" rights as an excuse.

They want "team unity" supposedly, another excuse, since they don't want team unity when players want to honor cops killed by BLM. And how is it "team unity" to have one or two not standing while all others stand? Certain preferred groups are "feared".

Posted by: illiniwek at October 02, 2017 03:06 PM (yKAUL)

258 Can any of you imagine Shep caught in a shooting? I can picture him screaming like a school girl, elbowing people out of the way, knocking people down, and running across their bodies.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 02, 2017 03:06 PM (PY9jH)

259 Ace earned a big tip with this one.

Excellent analysis, Boss!

Posted by: Les Kinetic at October 02, 2017 03:06 PM (9HRiP)

260 I wonder what yesterday's numbers were. I heard a couple of guys say at work that they would continue to watch Packer games, but they wouldn't watch other games like they used to.

That's sort of a pussy compromise IMO, but even that - constant, watch-every-game guys turned into watch 1 game a week guys - could significantly harm the NFL.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time at October 02, 2017 03:06 PM (ZM2xo)

261 255 Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at October 02, 2017 03:05 PM (ul9CR)

The GOP political class better get it through their heads....we are tired of crony capitalism even if it waves the flag(if paid by DoD)

Posted by: sven10077 at October 02, 2017 03:06 PM (SzZnW)

262
a plot by Big Candle?

Any word if there'll be a candle-light vigil, tonight?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at October 02, 2017 03:07 PM (f7hW7)

263 ISIS still saying the shooter was theirs

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/277217/

Posted by: steevy at October 02, 2017 03:07 PM (rmVvL)

264
Point him out for me. I'm not as young as I used to be but I still swing a mean axe handle.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 02, 2017 03:03 PM (39g3+)

{Smooches on the cheek}

I was lucky. I met an amazing man who loves me, and I worship the ground he walks on. And I make him sammiches anytime he wants. So it's all good now.

But I really appreciate your chivalry. It ain't dead amongst the Horde, and that is a very very good thing.

Posted by: moki at October 02, 2017 03:08 PM (V+V48)

265 Can any of you imagine Shep caught in a shooting? I can picture him screaming like a school girl, elbowing people out of the way, knocking people down, and running across their bodies.

Dude looks like he weighs about 135 soaking wet. I doubt he could knock anybody down.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 02, 2017 03:08 PM (jhqr1)

266 Apparente Boris Kodjoe is an actor who is as smart as an actor.

Boris Kodjoe @BorisKodjoe
My 10 year old asked me how the shooter was able to get his machine gun. I told him that pretty much anyone in the US can. 'But why daddy'?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doppelganger To the Stars! at October 02, 2017 03:08 PM (Nwg0u)

267 >>>I admit that I still look at the scores on Monday morning, but I haven't missed seeing the games at all. Not even a little. And my liquor bill is less, not a lot less, but less.

yeah a lot of people who haven't just quit don't understand how easy it is to just quit. It's like quitting smoking or twitter -- you have pangs for a couple of weeks, then less interest and less pangs, and then ultimately you just don't really even think of it any more.

Posted by: ace at October 02, 2017 03:08 PM (8rNrN)

268 Achmed the dead Terrorist: "I'll Keel you!"

Players of the dying NFL: "I'll Kneel you!"

Posted by: WisRich at October 02, 2017 03:08 PM (G0vdT)

269 198

I hate fucking monkeys with all my heart.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at October 02, 2017 02:59 PM (f7hW7)

Use lube.

Posted by: Mighty Joe Young at October 02, 2017 03:08 PM (mcI77)

270
I got a lot of things accomplished around the house yesterday, so much that it kinda pissed me off I used to spend so much time watching my local team and usually another game. Then I saw the 16 to 10 score of the broncs and thought glad I missed that stinker.

Although I have been watching less and less nfl over time, the one statistic I read about 11 or 12 minutes of actual action over 4 hours really is the realization that I will rarely watch ever again. Those 11 minutes could be reduced to a half hour of highlights if I actually cared.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 02, 2017 03:08 PM (r+sAi)

271 249 PS:The top legal executive at CBS, Hayley Geftman-Gold,

who disparaged the Vegas crowd, has been fired.

Another scalp for Twitter! Fucking idiot.
Posted by: tu3031 at October 02, 2017 03:05 PM (O5Q3r)

She was the TOP legal exec? The person to whom CBS would turn for sage counsel and advice? The person they hired for her judgment?

Wow.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 02, 2017 03:08 PM (SRKgf)

272 Bingo Bruce was Paddock father's name.

LOL! I'm sorry but that's just....funny.

Posted by: Tami at October 02, 2017 03:09 PM (Enq6K)

273 258
Can any of you imagine Shep caught in a shooting? I can picture him
screaming like a school girl, elbowing people out of the way, knocking
people down, and running across their bodies.

He'd have to pull his pants up first.

Posted by: R. DUKE at October 02, 2017 03:09 PM (O2LSH)

274 >>>...but will watch golf. Its relaxing. If they get stupid then they are dead to me too.

me too.

but don't understand why spieth picked up his opponents ball

Posted by: concrete girl at October 02, 2017 03:09 PM (269Mn)

275 When I lived on the left coast I could watch the games, but now that I am out East, staying awake until 9'ish is just not possible. Unless I quit drinking Vodka, which is also not possible. Or Bourbon.

Posted by: goon at October 02, 2017 03:09 PM (EaQ6/)

276 265 Can any of you imagine Shep caught in a shooting? I can picture him screaming like a school girl, elbowing people out of the way, knocking people down, and running across their bodies.

Dude looks like he weighs about 135 soaking wet. I doubt he could knock anybody down.
Posted by: bonhomme at October 02, 2017 03:08 PM (jhqr1)

Would it be as epic as Geraldo's opening of Al Capone's safe?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 02, 2017 03:09 PM (jxbfJ)

277 If the "red states" and our Republican Congress stopped the taxpayer spice from flowing to the NFL, these players would be made to start singing "Dixie on my Mind" before kickoff.

I do think the damage has largely been done to the NFL, but another week of this would have been nice.

Posted by: Maritime at October 02, 2017 03:09 PM (lKmt3)

278 Can any of you imagine Shep caught in a shooting?

Remember George Costanza when he thought there was a fire?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 02, 2017 03:09 PM (39g3+)

279 Why is the MSM dismissing *out of hand* ISIS claiming responsibility for the LV shooting?

MSM claims ISIS offered "no proof" -- when does ISIS ever "offer proof" when they claim responsibility?

ISIS says shooter converted months ago. Now this guy's girlfriend is Indonesian, so there's at least enough of a connection to not simply dismiss claims of conversion out of hand.

Or is the MSM so ignorant that they think only people with Middle Eastern sounding names can be radical Muslims?

Posted by: Dancing Queen E. Lee at October 02, 2017 03:10 PM (lZaEn)

280 Greetings:

So, you don't think that there will be players celebrations that all them "crackaz" got shot ???

Posted by: 11B40 at October 02, 2017 03:10 PM (evgyj)

281 I'm not linking the ISIS claims yet but I'm aware of them.

I'll link those eventually. It's not that I don't believe -- I kind of believe them. I just figure it's not quite ripe yet, and there's other stuff we definitely know now.

(That doesn't mean you guys can't talk about it, obviously. Just telling you why I'm not posting about it yet.)

Posted by: ace at October 02, 2017 03:10 PM (8rNrN)

282 She was the TOP legal exec? The person to whom CBS would turn for sage counsel and advice? The person they hired for her judgment?

--

"former vice president and senior counsel" is what Fox calls her

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at October 02, 2017 03:10 PM (hMwEB)

283 Unlike the NFL, CBS does not give employees the right to embarrassing free speech...Halyey was canned

Posted by: CN at October 02, 2017 03:10 PM (5gaNQ)

284
half hour of highlights for all the games I meant.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 02, 2017 03:10 PM (r+sAi)

285 Re: Fat-Ass Athletes...

Is it just me or whenever somebody "too small" for a position shows up late in the season, they kind of run circles around the traffic bollards on the line? It might be a college thing.
When a Fullback runs 3 yards and needs a nap, a visit from the "trainer", help to stand up, a conference with the sideline, sits out a play.......... Golf is a non-stop thrill ride compared to this stuff.

Posted by: klaftern at October 02, 2017 03:10 PM (RuIsu)

286 Point him out for me. I'm not as young as I used to be but I still swing a mean axe handle.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

Like Lester Maddox?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doppelganger To the Stars! at October 02, 2017 03:10 PM (Nwg0u)

287 She was the TOP legal exec? The person to whom CBS would turn for sage counsel and advice? The person they hired for her judgment?

Wow.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 02, 2017 03:08 PM (SRKgf)

She was 'Senior Counsel for Strategic transactions'. Don't think she was General Counsel of CBS.

Posted by: Tami at October 02, 2017 03:11 PM (Enq6K)

288 Maybe the NFL could make the kneeling official and say that it's for a certain reason each week.

Breast cancer.
Social justice.
Mass shootings.
Beginning of elk hunting season.
Daylight Savings.

Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 02, 2017 03:11 PM (3myMJ)

289 This broad on FBN is stupid.

Posted by: Infidel at October 02, 2017 03:11 PM (w25zc)

290 249 PS:The top legal executive at CBS, Hayley Geftman-Gold,

who disparaged the Vegas crowd, has been fired.

Another scalp for Twitter! Fucking idiot.
Posted by: tu3031 at October 02, 2017 03:05 PM (O5Q3r)

The Russians hacked my account!

Posted by: Hayley Geftman-Gold in the unemployment office at October 02, 2017 03:11 PM (SRKgf)

291 It must have just killed CBS to have to fire her. I'm pretty sure if you polled the top people there, they all agreed with her.

Remember, one of the heads of CBS is Ben Rhodes' brother.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 02, 2017 03:12 PM (PY9jH)

292 Eh, IS would claim responsibility for your spilled milk if they knew about it. This one seems pretty unlikely to be connected in any way.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 02, 2017 03:12 PM (39g3+)

293 haha, sorry, I saw the hyphens and someone else added some parenthesis in an old thread and my stupid brain thought it looked funny and I wondered how extremely stupid one name could look.

Posted by: Bob Loblaw at October 02, 2017 03:12 PM (XhN8Z)

294 Hayley took down her linked in profile too...protect the like minded?

Posted by: CN at October 02, 2017 03:12 PM (5gaNQ)

295 Has ESPN fired Shannon Sharpe for saying the flag is a "racist piece of cloth that no one fights for"?

Shocked...

Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 02, 2017 03:12 PM (3myMJ)

296 288 Maybe the NFL could make the kneeling official and say that it's for a certain reason each week.

Breast cancer.
Social justice.
Mass shootings.
Beginning of elk hunting season.
Daylight Savings.
Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 02, 2017 03:11 PM (3myMJ)

Now if they want to protest against the DH rule, I'm in.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 02, 2017 03:12 PM (SRKgf)

297 She graduated from Columbia Law in 2000

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at October 02, 2017 03:12 PM (hMwEB)

298 Has ESPN fired Shannon Sharpe for saying the flag is a "racist piece of cloth that no one fights for"?

Shocked...

Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 02, 2017 03:12 PM (3myMJ)

He probably got a raise

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 02, 2017 03:13 PM (493sH)

299 Haley Hyphen will always have a place at the table at Morning Joe.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 02, 2017 03:13 PM (PY9jH)

300 O/T: Tom Petty found unconscious, critical... Yea, he's a flaming lib but still. dammit.

Posted by: IP at October 02, 2017 03:13 PM (UmSfZ)

301 It is certainly possible that shooter was Muslim convert... not clear as of now.... the whole story, as far as I can tell, is weird, and I do not " think that" ISIS makes fictitious claims... maybe someone else has more info on this??

Posted by: kraken at October 02, 2017 03:13 PM (zSVEm)

302 I did a double-take in the morning when I read (not on ESPN, of course) that the Bills beat Atlanta-in Atlanta. But I had spent the afternoon hiking instead. A beautiful sunny fall day I otherwise would have wasted on the couch watching football.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at October 02, 2017 03:13 PM (ul9CR)

303 Doesn't matter.

Too little, too late.

I am done.

---------

I never understood what they were protesting against. I do not think they really know either.

Posted by: rd at October 02, 2017 03:13 PM (4dz1m)

304 272 Bingo Bruce was Paddock father's name.

LOL! I'm sorry but that's just....funny.
Posted by: Tami at October 02, 2017 03:09 PM (Enq6K)

"Bruce" is just kind of a funny name in general, honestly.

Posted by: Hikaru at October 02, 2017 03:13 PM (WDCYi)

305 Remember, one of the heads of CBS is Ben Rhodes' brother.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 02, 2017 03:12 PM (PY9jH)

The prosecutor heading up the Awan case is DWS' brother, Steven Wasserman.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at October 02, 2017 03:13 PM (UBzPO)

306 She was 'Senior Counsel for Strategic transactions'. Don't think she was General Counsel of CBS.
Posted by: Tami at October 02, 2017 03:11 PM (Enq6K)

Ah, thanks. But still ... wouldn't you expect a modicum of judgment from any legal counsel?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 02, 2017 03:13 PM (SRKgf)

307 I want Roger Goodell tarred and feathered and fired if he survived - not figuratively but literally. I then want a public apology y the owners after which they allow me to whip them, naked, through the streets of Aberdeen. Then I want lynch and Keaperdick banned from the sport for life and every other player or staff or owner who protested the anthem fined $1M.

Then I will think about forgiving and watching a game or two- but I will never ever forget. That will take an end to the NFL and a New AFL. Got that? F*ck you. War.

Posted by: Publius Redux at October 02, 2017 03:13 PM (Esg7O)

308 If the kneeling doesn't end tonight (Redskins at Chiefs) then the league is done for.

I'm rooting for it. Keep the masks off.

Posted by: t-bird at October 02, 2017 03:13 PM (2z74n)

309 She was 'Senior Counsel for Strategic transactions'. Don't think she was General Counsel of CBS.

Posted by: Tami at October 02, 2017 03:11 PM (Enq6K)

Assistant to the Assistant Vice President

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 02, 2017 03:13 PM (493sH)

310 298 Has ESPN fired Shannon Sharpe for saying the flag is a "racist piece of cloth that no one fights for"?

Shocked...

Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 02, 2017 03:12 PM (3myMJ)

He probably got a raise
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 02, 2017 03:13 PM (493sH)

And a trip back to Easter Island

Posted by: josephistan at October 02, 2017 03:14 PM (7HtZB)

311 Show up first meeting of the owners in stompy boots with a 10 foot bull whip and 3 rottweilers.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 02, 2017 02:59 PM (39g3+)

Oh, that is so visual. And dirty! Yes!

Posted by: goon at October 02, 2017 03:14 PM (EaQ6/)

312 Aside from the left hating football for its emphasis on masculine virtues (strength, aggression, competitiveness, etc.), could it be they also hate it because it breaks down racial barriers? You have little white kids wearing the jerseys of their favorite players who are often black, and looking up to them as heroes. And the left wishes to promote divisiveness.

Posted by: Rogered Goodell at October 02, 2017 03:14 PM (/qEW2)

313 I don't like casually calling him a "maniac," as FOX is doing.

I like to reserve that for someone with a documented history of mental illness. This guy apparently didn't have that.

I never agreed with calling Hitler "insane" for the same reason. Sloppy thinking.

"Evil" works better for me. I do NOT claim he was normal. Obviously he was far from that.

Posted by: mnw at October 02, 2017 03:14 PM (kQS08)

314 Breast cancer.
Social justice.
Mass shootings.
Beginning of elk hunting season.
Daylight Savings.
Posted by: Meremortal

Just plain tired

Posted by: Bruce at October 02, 2017 03:14 PM (8ikIW)

315 So FBI took all of what -- 6 hours to declare the shooter had no connection to terrorists/ISIS but it's taken them more than a year and they are still looking for Trump's connection to Russia.

FBI and CIA need to be dis-banned. They're nothing but arms of the DNC.

Posted by: Dancing Queen E. Lee at October 02, 2017 03:14 PM (lZaEn)

316 Eh, IS would claim responsibility for your spilled milk if they knew about it. This one seems pretty unlikely to be connected in any way.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

________

Isn't there only like 1 incident where they claimed responsibility and it ended up not being true?

Obviously they are going to lie, but if like 90% of the time they are correct about their involvement, I wouldn't be quick to dismiss it.

I will say it was the last thing I would expect, but the Indonesian connection with the girlfriend puts a different spin on it

Posted by: Maritime at October 02, 2017 03:14 PM (lKmt3)

317 304 272 Bingo Bruce was Paddock father's name.

LOL! I'm sorry but that's just....funny.
Posted by: Tami at October 02, 2017 03:09 PM (Enq6K)

"Bruce" is just kind of a funny name in general, honestly.
Posted by: Hikaru at October 02, 2017 03:13 PM (WDCYi)

Don't bring me down.

Posted by: ELO at October 02, 2017 03:14 PM (7HtZB)

318 >>>I did a double-take in the morning when I read (not on ESPN, of course) that the Bills beat Atlanta-in Atlanta. But I had spent the afternoon hiking instead. A beautiful sunny fall day I otherwise would have wasted on the couch watching football.

sounds good. I need to start hiking. I used to walk daily but stopped when I started doing other exercise. but it's really a good thing to make time for.

Trees and birds make for good company.

Posted by: ace at October 02, 2017 03:14 PM (8rNrN)

319 Another scalp for Twitter! Fucking idiot.

-
Twitter is like the sea, absolutely unforgiving of error.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doppelganger To the Stars! at October 02, 2017 03:15 PM (Nwg0u)

320 Fairly dedicated fan, formerly, and I have to echo the statement that once you make the break, you won't even miss it. Skipped the game yesterday, didn't even know the score until I saw the news crawl on the building walking between my garage and my office. It feels good, not apologizing for or making excuses for all the things that are bad about professional sports and the NFL in particular.

Posted by: deplorable shillelagh at October 02, 2017 03:15 PM (FIcZA)

321 294 Hayley took down her linked in profile too...protect the like minded?
Posted by: CN at October 02, 2017 03:12 PM (5gaNQ)

Way to torch your career, Hayley, in merely 140 characters.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 02, 2017 03:15 PM (SRKgf)

322 175 The NFL turned me off years ago with their arbitrary rules, 4-1/2 hr games, and 20 minute overturned plays that need "introvertible" (non-controversial) evidence berore tasting the pudding on the cake. In fact, the final insult was the "score; commercial; kickoff OOB; commercial" format, pioneered by ABC Monday Night Football.

And when they stopped showing the cheerleaders whenever there was a pause in the action.

Posted by: Anachronda at October 02, 2017 03:15 PM (sGtp+)

323 right tho?

The NFL wants to expand its fanbase by...umm....pandering to everyone else at the expense of its actual fanbase.

I'm not some rootin'-tootin' peckerwood country western concert goer from the yeee-haw south...but I am still a big NFL fan and I was able to spend most of weeks 2-4 so far not watching much of the nfl at all, it's not hard or...get this...a burden.

Posted by: Bob Loblaw at October 02, 2017 03:15 PM (XhN8Z)

324 Like Lester Maddox?

More like Sheriff Buford Pusser. If I had a diner, anyone who can pay can eat in it.

Except Methodists.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 02, 2017 03:15 PM (39g3+)

325 >>>I will say it was the last thing I would expect, but the Indonesian connection with the girlfriend puts a different spin on it

Indonesian? I heard she was Fillipino?

Posted by: ace at October 02, 2017 03:15 PM (8rNrN)

326 263 ISIS still saying the shooter was theirs

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/277217/
Posted by: steevy at October 02, 2017 03:07 PM (rmVvL)

I don't know, but I will say this -- our govt parses words very carefully when a guy named Mohammed Mohammed kills someone and says ALLAHU AKBAR!!.

Unless they have an order originating from Syria telling him what to do, they don't classify it as "having a nexus to foreign terrorism." At least not for a long time before it's off the front pages.

See: Orlando Pulse shooter, San Bernardino couple, Major Hassan, etc. etc.

That being said, a retired white guy living in Nevada does not strike me as a prime candidate for conversion to Islam and swearing allegiance to al Baghdadi, but who knows?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 02, 2017 03:15 PM (wmaTe)

327 NFL owners so far siding with their players for their right to free
speech, but they're also keeping close tabs on the financial impact and
the public relations impact of this confrontation, King said.

This has nothing to do with "free speech".

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 02, 2017 03:15 PM (mpXpK)

328 318 Just watch out for the squirrels...

Posted by: steevy at October 02, 2017 03:15 PM (rmVvL)

329 The NFL players are too stupid to quit protesting for their own good. National Fools League. The thing is, if this is in support of BLM (founded on a lie, advocates murdering cops), they will always be aggrieved. Anytime a black person is killed by the police, no matter how justifiable, the BLM race hustlers will ratchet up the outrage. There is no rational end game for them, nor do they want one.

Posted by: Marmo at October 02, 2017 03:15 PM (fq72/)

330 "Bruce" is just kind of a funny name in general, honestly.

Posted by: Hikaru at October 02, 2017 03:13 PM (WDCYi)

Bruce Jenner: Preach it!!!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 02, 2017 03:15 PM (493sH)

331 49 BTW, F* Drudge for posting picks of victims.

It's one thing for a grimy British tabloid to post them below the fold (with a "graphic!" warning, but this is just beyond the pale for the fedora freak. Give the families and victims a bit of respect?

What a dick.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at October 02, 2017 02:42 PM (RHEDC)

Drudge is a POS. I first reached that conclusion when he leaked that Prince Harry was in Afghanistan when the whole British media had agreed to keep it quiet until he returned

Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at October 02, 2017 03:16 PM (rX06+)

332 >>>The prosecutor heading up the Awan case is DWS' brother, Steven Wasserman.

No, it's Michael Marando.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 02, 2017 03:16 PM (lqd9d)

333 "Bruce" is just kind of a funny name in general, honestly.
Posted by: Hikaru at October 02, 2017 03:13 PM (WDCYi)

Yeah. Cracks me up every time I sign a check

Posted by: Bruce at October 02, 2017 03:16 PM (8ikIW)

334 I never understood what they were protesting against. I do not think they really know either.
Posted by: rd

________

It was against "Whitey", but no one was really able to talk about it.

Posted by: Maritime at October 02, 2017 03:16 PM (lKmt3)

335 the whole story, as far as I can tell, is weird, and I do not " think that" ISIS makes fictitious claims
---
It's particularly weird since there's no corroborating info that the guy was a muslim for them to latch on to.

Though I suppose it's hard to hear a guy on the 32nd floor shouting aloha snackbar over the gunfire.

Posted by: Methos at October 02, 2017 03:16 PM (XQvuQ)

336 BB reports that CBS has fired Haley Geftman-Gold.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at October 02, 2017 03:16 PM (398bZ)

337 Ah, thanks. But still ... wouldn't you expect a modicum of judgment from any legal counsel?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 02, 2017 03:13 PM (SRKgf)

Oh definitely. She's lib before anything apparently. Well....not she's unemployed before anything else. But I'm sure some law firm will snap her up.

Posted by: Tami at October 02, 2017 03:16 PM (Enq6K)

338 300 O/T: Tom Petty found unconscious, critical... Yea, he's a flaming lib but still. dammit.
Posted by: IP at October 02, 2017 03:13 PM (UmSfZ)

Wow. I saw & the Heartbreakers earlier this summer. No politics, just a solid set. Any man who played a recurring character on King of The Hill can't be all bad.

Posted by: josephistan at October 02, 2017 03:16 PM (7HtZB)

339 The NFL could win me back by sending the Tampa Bay Bucs Cheerleaders here.

Posted by: garrett at October 02, 2017 03:16 PM (HYDPz)

340 @11 - that is a very good point, Rob.

Posted by: Alana at October 02, 2017 03:16 PM (Ind/z)

341 Our paper's front page section was all pink yesterday. *sigh*

I "may have" pissed off the clerk at Kroger when she asked if I wanted to donate to Susan G. Komen for the Cure.

I told her as long as they support Planned Parenthood, I'll continue to donate to the American Cancer Society.

She sort of gave me the stink-eye.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 02, 2017 03:17 PM (PY9jH)

342 I think I will focus on October baseball instead. Maybe even start doing my job.

Posted by: Bob Loblaw at October 02, 2017 03:17 PM (XhN8Z)

343 Maybe the NFL could make the kneeling official and say that it's for a certain reason each week.

You kneel, you play on your knees that game.

Good luck, QBs.

Posted by: t-bird at October 02, 2017 03:17 PM (2z74n)

344
263 ISIS still saying the shooter was theirs

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/277217/

Posted by: steevy at October 02, 2017 03:07 PM (rmVvL)

Of course if this is true and say this prick changed his name as muslim converts love to do, it will be a long time before we hear that. Because he has a non-Arabic name so they will continue to use that.

Posted by: buzzion at October 02, 2017 03:17 PM (cAnNx)

345 I have to echo the statement that once you make the break, you won't even miss it.

I think for a lot of fans (not all) its more about the event, the friends, the snacks etc than the actual game. The game is more an excuse to do that other stuff. I mean, MLB is over (except post season) so that won't replace it exactly but you can watch lots of different sports these days with smart TVs. Find some rugby or Aussie Rules Football or something.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 02, 2017 03:17 PM (39g3+)

346 What has me thinking is the brother saying he had nothing to do with guns.Maybe he didn't but took a trip to a training camp.If he did that will be easy enough to find out about.

Posted by: steevy at October 02, 2017 03:17 PM (rmVvL)

347 Can any of you imagine Shep caught in a shooting?

I can imagine picking him up and using him as a human shield and battering ram...

He might not look too good after I exit the kill box...

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at October 02, 2017 03:17 PM (t3kPl)

348 I never understood what they were protesting against. I do not think they really know either.

Boiled down? Protest was Fuck. The. Police.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 02, 2017 03:17 PM (gR+IE)

349 Aaron Rodgers said it was all about "equality."

Let's leave aside the fact that he makes 100 times as much for a game as the cops guarding the venue do. I don't begrudge that economic inequality.

But has he ever had a regular job? Does he know that a bank teller can't wear a BLM or a pro-life t-shirt?
Does he know that a bartender will be fired if he gives the customers political rants? Does he know that a car mechanic will lose customers if he subjects everyone to hellfire sermons? Does he know that a waitress will be canned if she lectures customers on nutrition?

Why do these fatcats think THEY should be able to say what they please while on the job?
Why do they insist on that kind of inequality?

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 02, 2017 03:18 PM (0jtPF)

350 >>Indonesian? I heard she was Fillipino?

Fillipino. That's a man, baby.

Posted by: Austin Powers at October 02, 2017 03:18 PM (HYDPz)

351 A truly smart NCAA Program would install "the NFL Offense" and focus on grooming classic 5 read, seven step QBs....

College football success is all about getting the talented and running plays to their strengths. If you have great receivers and a passing QB, you throw a lot. Great RBs and an offensive line and you run a lot.

If you have defense you win titles.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 02, 2017 03:18 PM (QQ+il)

352 Tom Petty found unconscious, critical... Yea, he's a flaming lib but still. dammit.

Tom Petty is one of the greats, he's kind of a throwback to the singer-songwriter genius. I'd hate to think we may lose him. He can't sing, but he can't sing better than, say Dylan.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 02, 2017 03:18 PM (39g3+)

353 I will say it was the last thing I would expect, but the Indonesian connection with the girlfriend puts a different spin on it

Indonesian? I heard she was Fillipino?
Posted by: ace

_________

Some websites like ZeroHedge are saying it was Indonesian, which is like 99% Muslim

Take it with a grain of salt

Posted by: Maritime at October 02, 2017 03:18 PM (lKmt3)

354 338 He was funny as fuck on that show.The slip and fall man.

Posted by: steevy at October 02, 2017 03:18 PM (rmVvL)

355 325 >>>I will say it was the last thing I would expect, but the Indonesian connection with the girlfriend puts a different spin on it

Indonesian? I heard she was Fillipino?

Posted by: ace at October 02, 2017 03:15 PM (8rNrN)

First reports were Indonesian with Australian passport.

Posted by: Tami at October 02, 2017 03:19 PM (Enq6K)

356 My guess is this downturn for the NFL will be good for it. I imagine a number of teams will fold leaving the steady eddies. It is clear from this behavior that the players have little respect for the game that made them wealthy (briefly) and famous/infamous. Good luck to them in their next career move.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 02, 2017 03:19 PM (YV+SU)

357 ISIS still saying the shooter was theirs
...........

*sigh of relief*

Posted by: OJ at October 02, 2017 03:19 PM (HgMAr)

358 Jane, I donate to St Baldricks. they seem on the level.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 02, 2017 03:19 PM (Z86mf)

359 341 Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 02, 2017 03:17 PM (PY9jH)

You should have broken out my "Bob G Komen" rant...

you may have been banned.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 02, 2017 03:19 PM (SzZnW)

360 Boiled down? Protest was Fuck. The. Police.

It's evolved to a general FU Whitey now, and that's what's killing the league.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 02, 2017 03:19 PM (QQ+il)

361 [I know, that's kid cancer, not woman cancer, but still]

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 02, 2017 03:19 PM (Z86mf)

362 It's particularly weird since there's no corroborating info that the guy was a muslim for them to latch on to.

Though I suppose it's hard to hear a guy on the 32nd floor shouting aloha snackbar over the gunfire.
Posted by: Methos at October 02, 2017 03:16 PM (XQvuQ)

Right. What would ISIS have to gain by lying about this if they have no idea who this guy is? It could turn out that he's Jewish or Christian or motivated by Islamophobia or who knows? ... and why would ISIS then want to be in the position of backtracking?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 02, 2017 03:19 PM (wmaTe)

363 Any man who played a recurring character on King of The Hill can't be all bad.

I always thought it was funny he sang "You Got Lucky" and then he played Lucky.

He's written a shit ton of great songs. Hope he's OK.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at October 02, 2017 03:20 PM (ul9CR)

364 327 NFL owners so far siding with their players for their right to free
speech, but they're also keeping close tabs on the financial impact and
the public relations impact of this confrontation, King said.

This has nothing to do with "free speech".

**********

It's a bizarre bit of idiocy to think that trump saying fire the sob would make the nfl and the players into some sort of sympathetic victim group that could...and this really gets me...milk it to some sort of effect.

Showed the owners are basically corporate globohomos who actually buy into what their HR departments are selling.

and fwiw, I don't think most nfl fans are gop/dnc fanatics but they do love the anthem. what next? piss in the beer? fart on the brats?

Posted by: Bob Loblaw at October 02, 2017 03:20 PM (XhN8Z)

365 O. J. was staying just up the strip from the Mandalay.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 02, 2017 03:20 PM (PY9jH)

366 Crap, talked to the wife about going to a Petty concert earlier this year but we opted not. Now big regrets.

Posted by: thegarbone at October 02, 2017 03:20 PM (jUYzd)

367 Gee, Las Vegas makes alot of money from gambling on NFL games; and the thing that takes the heat off the NFL happened in Las Vegas.

Posted by: andycanuck at October 02, 2017 03:20 PM (mJ8mX)

368 Given the basic criminality of most modern NFL and NBA athletes, I can understand their animosity toward the police.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 02, 2017 03:21 PM (39g3+)

369 >>Boris Kodjoe @BorisKodjoe

My 10 year old asked me how the shooter was able to get his machine
gun. I told him that pretty much anyone in the US can. 'But why daddy'?

At time like this we need to hear from the parents of little Che Che.
Could be a model for us all.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 02, 2017 03:21 PM (W+vEI)

370 (Actually, in my experience, it's women who are really good at this -- the total break, the binary on-off switch, the hard goodbye -- but bear in mind, that's my experience. You have to keep in mind, women feel incredibly empowered and liberated to be rid of me.)
_______________________________

I think it's more a matter of women being better at dissembling and credibly pretending that everything is just fine and peachy while working through the decision to dump you so that when they announce it you're taken utterly by surprise. They've already worked through the emotions and retconned the good times together into some series of negative experiences/illusions (I was fooled about who he was and I never really loved him!).

It'd be like if you credibly strung your girlfriend along while on the hunt and then realizing that you have multiple hotter options waiting in the wings - that helps you get over her real fast.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at October 02, 2017 03:21 PM (NrdxS)

371 ISIS says shooter converted months ago. Now this guy's girlfriend is
Indonesian, so there's at least enough of a connection to not simply
dismiss claims of conversion out of hand.

Or is the MSM so ignorant that they think only people with Middle Eastern sounding names can be radical Muslims?
---

I'll take a swing.

If the MSM says it's ISIS, it confirms that Trump was right; ISIS is a problem and we should not let them into the country.

They'll go with "mentally disturbed son of killer with no political affiliation who is a former Catholic who had gambling debts just snapped. Too easy to get guns, ban them now."

Posted by: shibumi at October 02, 2017 03:21 PM (aT+Bx)

372 Imagine since youth football that you've been told you're better and more special than everyone else because you have a faster 40 time, can throw a football 80 yards, have the strength of Hercules and are abnormally aggressive.

You get a college scholarship, get a "degree" in underwater basket weaving or whatever crib major football programs steer their players into to ensure they're eligible. They're athletes first, students second. You get worshiped by thousands of fans.

You might be a drug user. A violent criminal. A rapist. Or a domestic abuser, all of which can be washed away if you're toting the rock on Saturdays and making sure your school keeps the checks rolling in when they make a bowl game. The boosters and the coach can lobby on your behalf and make sure that pesky arrest goes away, when any other student would be tossed in jail or even kicked out school.

Fast forward a few years. You get to play your violent game professionally after being drafted to wear the "shield," with the term professional used loosely. You make millions and again, you're told perpetually how special and great you really are.

Is it any wonder that those folks act the way they do, perpetually spoiled? They have no idea of the sacrifices required to keep that flag flying, both in the past and in the present. All they can rail about is "police brutality" or "inequality."

My wife and I were at a restaurant and we listened to the inane, feeble ramblings of these halfwit ex-jocks ESPN hires to talk about a child's violent game for hours at a time. They kept talking about inequality without knowing that it comes from Marxism, which would definitely put them out of a job.

Ask those emigre Cuban baseball players what it's like playing for the state-run league, making slave wages and living under the perpetual thumb of socialism.

I grew up a New Orleans Saints fan and lived through horrible season upon horrible season. As a result, pro football was always a distant second to Alabama football on the importance scale. I decided if the NFL players and their SJW-loving commish weren't going to respect the country that gives them the freedom to violently collide with each other for our entertainment, I didn't have to watch them, wear the gear or ever buy tickets again.

Ace, good point about the breakup. There was this girl I dated in high school before my wife who treated me terribly. I had an excuse: She was hot and her parents were rich. My parents thought she was perfect for me and advised me not to screw it up and marry her. It was difficult to pull the trigger, but when I told her I was done, she was stunned. She'd never been dumped, she protested. I replied there's a first time for everything, got in my jalopy pickup and drove away. She was mean, spoiled and high maintenance and finally had been told no for the first time in her life. Heh.

Like the NFL, it was difficult to ponder separation. Now that it's done, much as it was that day, I don't miss it at all. I'm also glad my wife and I cut the cord on cable and enjoy our streaming life and on-air channels. Saved us $90 bucks too.

Sundays are better spent fishing, getting some quality time with my youngest son (who does play football), going to church, reading books on our porch, playing fetch with our beloved mutt Cooper and napping in the hammock under the Florida sun.

Posted by: grizzledcoastie at October 02, 2017 03:21 PM (FMgad)

373 The ex-lawyer protected her Twitter feed too - coincidentally, I'm sure.

Not that there was anything good in it...mainly just pictures of her kid and wondering why Skrillex is so ugly.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at October 02, 2017 03:21 PM (eytER)

374 O. J. was staying just up the strip from the Mandalay.
Is the shooter's collection of football memorabilia missing too?

Posted by: andycanuck at October 02, 2017 03:21 PM (mJ8mX)

375 315 So FBI took all of what -- 6 hours to declare the shooter had no connection to terrorists/ISIS but it's taken them more than a year and they are still looking for Trump's connection to Russia.
----------

We'll here's the thing:

The authorities at this point probably know with a 90% confidence what his motivation was but they're not talking.

Posted by: WisRich at October 02, 2017 03:21 PM (G0vdT)

376 O. J. was staying just up the strip from the Mandalay.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 02, 2017 03:20 PM (PY9jH)
.........

Shhhh.

Posted by: OJ at October 02, 2017 03:21 PM (HgMAr)

377 I bet that if the NFL stops all the kneeling crap, all the jersey burners will be back by playoff time.

Posted by: blaster at October 02, 2017 03:21 PM (x7Xk5)

378 "yeah a lot of people who haven't just quit don't understand how easy it is to just quit. It's like quitting smoking or twitter -- you have pangs for a couple of weeks, then less interest and less pangs, and then ultimately you just don't really even think of it any more."

And where are movies advertised? On TV. So as you see less TV, you see less movie ads, and you don't even realize what movies you aren't going to see anymore.

The good ones, like Dunkirk, you hear about.

Posted by: goodluckduck at October 02, 2017 03:21 PM (yqvys)

379 Good luck to them in their next career move.
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 02, 2017 03:19 PM (YV+SU)

As bouncers at ghetto night clubs with nightly shootings would probably be at the top of the list.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 02, 2017 03:22 PM (SRKgf)

380 351 Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 02, 2017 03:18 PM (QQ+il)

I made that argument as well Grump back in the day do recall I highlighted "college offense of the week" for a bit.

A high caliber college team that sends 5-7 kids to the pros a year *could* go full pro-set and use it as a recruiting tool.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 02, 2017 03:22 PM (SzZnW)

381 >>>Some websites like ZeroHedge are saying it was Indonesian, which is like 99% Muslim

well I guess I'll keep holding off until this stuff is confirmed.

Posted by: ace at October 02, 2017 03:22 PM (8rNrN)

382 NFL owners so far siding with their players for their right to free speech, but they're also keeping close tabs on the financial impact and the public relations impact of this confrontation, King said.

So they're all for being big SJWs until it hits them in the wallet. I hope to God it tears the whole flipping league down and Goddell in in the unemployment line next to Hayley lots of last names.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 02, 2017 03:22 PM (493sH)

383
Has she claimed she was hacked yet?

Has she claimed she's getting death threats, yet?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at October 02, 2017 03:22 PM (f7hW7)

384 One consideration is that Paddock is merely the drop pistol of a much more involved plan. Sort of like Lee Harvey making head shots on a moving target with an unzeroed rifle.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 02, 2017 03:22 PM (YV+SU)

385 From a purely legal angle, NFL players who don't defend their non kneeling team mates during play are committing a game/score rigging crime.

Not a small crime either.

Posted by: navybrat at October 02, 2017 03:22 PM (w7KSn)

386 >...but they're also keeping close tabs on the financial impact and

the public relations impact of this confrontation, King said.

For some reason this reminds me of Bill Clinton ordering polling on his Lewinsky dalliance.

Why do you need to know how badly this affects bottom line to decide?

Posted by: Lizzy at October 02, 2017 03:22 PM (W+vEI)

387
I told her as long as they support Planned Parenthood, I'll continue to donate to the American Cancer Society.

She sort of gave me the stink-eye.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 02, 2017 03:17 PM (PY9jH)

I quit buying girl scout cookies for the same reason. Haven't had the balls to actually tell them why yet. I'm sure some of those little girls have no idea.

Posted by: Infidel at October 02, 2017 03:23 PM (w25zc)

388 Doesn't sound good for Tom Petty. Cardiac arrest, on full life support. No pulse when responders arrived, able to get pulse but obviously not a stable one.

Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 02, 2017 03:23 PM (3myMJ)

389 The authorities at this point probably know with a 90% confidence what his motivation was but they're not talking.
Posted by: WisRich at October 02, 2017 03:21 PM (G0vdT)

Draw your own conclusions, yes?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 02, 2017 03:23 PM (SRKgf)

390 It's a very "specific" claim by ISIS which is why it seems at least somewhat credible.

If they start claiming everything as theirs and its obviously not, the entire organization loses credibility and recruitment because it becomes a joke.

Posted by: Maritime at October 02, 2017 03:23 PM (lKmt3)

391 >>>
And where are movies advertised? On TV. So as you see less TV, you see less movie ads, and you don't even realize what movies you aren't going to see anymore.

True. the only place I see movie ads any longer is YouTube.

A lot of benefits to (mostly) avoiding the Media "Ecosystem."

Posted by: ace at October 02, 2017 03:23 PM (8rNrN)

392 I avoided watching the tapes but watched finally.

1. that long ass burst of machine gun fire, pause while reload, and another long ass burst shows extreme ... hate? murderous intent (duh) which is something we've seen, where:

muz atrocities

maybe only a few weirdo mass shootings that weren't captured on tape before like columbine, newtown and brevik. I'd think most other shooters are or were pray and spray, not cold methodical don't give a shit executions.

Posted by: Bob Loblaw at October 02, 2017 03:23 PM (XhN8Z)

393 I would never take a knee.
A hand maybe, or an ear.

Posted by: OJ at October 02, 2017 03:23 PM (HgMAr)

394 355
First reports were Indonesian with Australian passport.
Posted by: Tami at October 02, 2017 03:19 PM (Enq6K)

Ain't globalism wonderful?

Posted by: rickl at October 02, 2017 03:23 PM (xjiRE)

395
Oh, shit.
Tom Petty on life support.

Posted by: YIKES! at October 02, 2017 03:23 PM (t6XCL)

396 So the shooter was dating one of Barry Obama's Indonesian step-sisters?

I mean, I'd hate to start a rumor, but....

*pops popcorn*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 02, 2017 03:23 PM (PY9jH)

397 I will say it was the last thing I would expect, but the Indonesian connection with the girlfriend puts a different spin on it

Indonesian? I heard she was Fillipino?

Posted by: ace at October 02, 2017 03:15 PM (8rNrN)

First reports were Indonesian with Australian passport.
Posted by: Tami

No one really knows.
Second report was they interviewed her and let her go.
Third report was she wasnt in the country.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 02, 2017 03:24 PM (gR+IE)

398 315 So FBI took all of what -- 6 hours to declare the shooter had no connection to terrorists/ISIS but it's taken them more than a year and they are still looking for Trump's connection to Russia.

FBI and CIA need to be dis-banned. They're nothing but arms of the DNC.

Posted by: Dancing Queen E. Lee at October 02, 2017 03:14 PM (lZaEn)

Move FBI HQ from Quantico to Kodiak Alaska. Same for CIA.

Posted by: Mighty Joe Young at October 02, 2017 03:24 PM (mcI77)

399 Or is the MSM so ignorant that they think only people with Middle Eastern sounding names can be radical Muslims?

----------

They ignored me for decades. Despite whatever I said.

Posted by: Sirhan Sirhan at October 02, 2017 03:24 PM (4dz1m)

400 coastie , glad you found a good woman after the bad experience.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 02, 2017 03:24 PM (Z86mf)

401 I failed in one no-TV goal last week.

I decided not to watch Survivor. Seems like low-hanging fruit as far as a zombie-watch tv show I could cut easily.

But my damn DVR had been programmed to record it, and one night, getting ready for bed, I did watch the whole thing.

I think I'll delete it from my record list right now to make sure that doesn't happen again.

Posted by: ace at October 02, 2017 03:24 PM (8rNrN)

402 I heard a good point. A lot of nfl ticket holders are season ticket buyers with PSL's. It's hard to get out of that and, if you can't sell the goddamn things, what else are you going to do?

Posted by: Bob Loblaw at October 02, 2017 03:24 PM (XhN8Z)

403 Sundays are better spent fishing, getting some quality time with my youngest son (who does play football), going to church, reading books on our porch, playing fetch with our beloved mutt Cooper and napping in the hammock under the Florida sun.

Sounds like heaven.

all the jersey burners will be back by playoff time.

Most people here saying they have given up football will watch the Superbowl. Which is the NFL's biggest earning day of the year, the biggest TV event each year. Makes them more money than the regular season.

That'll show em!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 02, 2017 03:25 PM (39g3+)

404 Tom Petty on life support.

Maybe Ocare will save him.

Posted by: Mighty Joe Young at October 02, 2017 03:25 PM (mcI77)

405 388 Doesn't sound good for Tom Petty. Cardiac arrest, on full life support. No pulse when responders arrived, able to get pulse but obviously not a stable one.
Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 02, 2017 03:23 PM (3myMJ)

Oh, that's awful. Prayers up for him and his family. And I don't care if he's liberal or not, I appreciate his music.

Needless to say, prayers up for the people in Las Vegas as well. A lot of praying today.

Posted by: moki at October 02, 2017 03:25 PM (V+V48)

406 >>Scrunt will have another job with some left wing firm within the week.

Posted by: steevy

Hmm. I could hire her as an assistant. She and Huma could tag team me.

Posted by: Hillary at October 02, 2017 03:25 PM (2cuLk)

407 We are totally committed to unity, social justice and free speech for our players.

Unless our revenue goes down. Then it's back to cotton field, bitches.

Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 02, 2017 03:25 PM (3myMJ)

408 'No pulse when responders arrived, able to get pulse but obviously not a stable one.'

Serious brain damage if he makes it.

Posted by: phineas gage at October 02, 2017 03:25 PM (ALDN3)

409 181 Driving them into the arms of soccer, I fear.

What the world needs is a good prime-time pro curling league.

Posted by: Anachronda at October 02, 2017 03:25 PM (sGtp+)

410 171
Were I a jerk, I could point out my usual sin is being 6-18 months ahead of the power curve on issues.

If you did that, you'd be stealing my shtick. I am, after all, the soothsayer. And I am a jerk.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at October 02, 2017 02:56 PM (f7hW7)

Now wait just a minute I have to be a bigger jerk than you two jerks.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 02, 2017 03:25 PM (QHqvr)

411 Why do you need to know how badly this affects bottom line to decide?

Posted by: Lizzy at October 02, 2017 03:22 PM (W+vEI)

NFL exec: "We're defending a bedrock American principle by supporting free speech! Wait a sec ... accounting is on the line ... "

(talks on phone, looking increasingly concerned)

"Tell those overpaid under-educated assholes to knock it off, pronto!"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 02, 2017 03:25 PM (SRKgf)

412 They ignored me for decades. Despite whatever I said.

Posted by: Sirhan Sirhan at October 02, 2017 03:24 PM (4dz1m)

They thought you were the bad guy in Barbarella

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 02, 2017 03:25 PM (493sH)

413 Indonesian?
.............

Well that explains why she left, couldn't figure out the toilets.

Posted by: wth at October 02, 2017 03:25 PM (HgMAr)

414 No one really knows.
Second report was they interviewed her and let her go.
Third report was she wasnt in the country.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 02, 2017 03:24 PM (gR+IE)

I think she was interviewed via phone and LE put a hold on her in whatever country she's currently in.

Posted by: Tami at October 02, 2017 03:25 PM (Enq6K)

415 Maybe instead taking the knee, the NFL players will start burning their bras and panties

Posted by: runner at October 02, 2017 03:25 PM (c25ja)

416 O. J. was staying just up the strip from the Mandalay.

-
Doesn't mean anything. O.J. uses a knife.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doppelganger To the Stars! at October 02, 2017 03:26 PM (Nwg0u)

417 >>>If they start claiming everything as theirs and its obviously not, the entire organization loses credibility and recruitment because it becomes a joke.

Eh, it's a viable business model.

Posted by: CNN at October 02, 2017 03:26 PM (8rNrN)

418 hey, Zero Hedge successfully predicted nine of the last two major stock slips!!

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 02, 2017 03:26 PM (Z86mf)

419 UPDATE: We're told after Petty got to the hospital he had no brain activity and a decision was made to pull life support.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 02, 2017 03:26 PM (r+sAi)

420 My 10 year old asked me how the shooter was able to get his machine

gun. I told him that pretty much anyone in the US can. 'But why daddy'?

If my father told me that when I was ten, I would've complained that we didn't have one.

Posted by: tu3031 at October 02, 2017 03:26 PM (O5Q3r)

421
I am Twitter, the Destroyer of Careers.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 02, 2017 03:26 PM (BWL+E)

422 329 The NFL players are too stupid to quit protesting for their own good. National Fools League. The thing is, if this is in support of BLM (founded on a lie, advocates murdering cops), they will always be aggrieved. Anytime a black person is killed by the police, no matter how justifiable, the BLM race hustlers will ratchet up the outrage. There is no rational end game for them, nor do they want one.
Posted by: Marmo at October 02, 2017 03:15 PM (fq72/)

Their goal was to garner attention... and they are doing so....

They don't understand that its NEGATIVE attention....

Its like a child throwing a tantrum... they really think they will get their way... and with some... they might...

But with most... its counter productive...

Posted by: Don Q. at October 02, 2017 03:26 PM (NgKpN)

423 NFL offenses are boring.I like college football because they do different things.I dont give the slightest fuck if their offense prepares players for the NFL.Fuck the NFL.They want to groom players they can start a minor league,plenty of HS players who have no interest in going to college they can draft.

Posted by: steevy at October 02, 2017 03:27 PM (rmVvL)

424 folks want this to be muz and I went to bed thinking it was, for sure, 100%.

but it's not.

it's a nihilistic swan song.

or, since the libs tell me that they'd love to shoot up a country concert...maybe a political thing after all.

Posted by: Bob Loblaw at October 02, 2017 03:27 PM (XhN8Z)

425 Tom Petty is one of the greats, he's kind of a throwback to the singer-songwriter genius. I'd hate to think we may lose him. He can't sing, but he can't sing better than, say Dylan.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 02, 2017 03:18 PM (39g3+)

Most of the greats "can't sing." But they usually have a unique sound that sets them apart from the pack. And they write good songs over a long period of time.
If you want to hear " good singing" , watch the clones on The Voice or American Idol with their boring and unoriginal cheese.

Posted by: JoeF. at October 02, 2017 03:27 PM (7uYFy)

426 RE: Tom Petty, it does not look good.

Unconscious, not breathing at home. Full cardiac arrest.

In hospital now on life support.

How long was he not breathing?

If he comes off of life support, he might end up being in a coma for a while, and he could have mild or considerable brain damage.

/don't ask how I know this.

Posted by: shibumi at October 02, 2017 03:27 PM (aT+Bx)

427 419 UPDATE: We're told after Petty got to the hospital he had no brain activity and a decision was made to pull life support.

**********

WTF????????????????

Posted by: Bob Loblaw at October 02, 2017 03:27 PM (XhN8Z)

428 welcome back from banhammer camp , cannibal bob

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 02, 2017 03:27 PM (Z86mf)

429 Kneelers 15 minutes is over. NFL lost THE GAME.

Posted by: Lopeover at October 02, 2017 03:27 PM (ZLAV1)

430 "I hate fucking monkeys with all my heart.

Posted by: Soothsayer"

We're not so crazy about it either.

Posted by: The monkeys at October 02, 2017 03:27 PM (MxEKc)

431 Actually, in my experience, it's women who are really good at this -- the total break, the binary on-off switch, the hard goodbye -- but bear in mind, that's my experience. You have to keep in mind, women feel incredibly empowered and liberated to be rid of me.)

I find this hard to believe, you have all of us 'Ettes in the palm of your hand.

Posted by: ALH at October 02, 2017 03:27 PM (uLuPn)

432 I from episode 1 was a Survivor fan but couple of years ago just stopped watching. No reason.

Posted by: Skip at October 02, 2017 03:28 PM (ghofu)

433 Via Hannity radio:

Shooter sued Mandalay Bay for slip and fall accident.

/told ya. "Guy with a grudge against the hotel, nothing to see here."

Posted by: shibumi at October 02, 2017 03:28 PM (aT+Bx)

434 Nood CBS scrunt

Posted by: steevy at October 02, 2017 03:28 PM (rmVvL)

435 "O. J. was staying just up the strip from the Mandalay."

Excellent. He's probably already out searching for the real killers.

Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 02, 2017 03:29 PM (3myMJ)

436 Many, what a crappy day. Petty was a good one.

Hate to ask, but was Petty perhaps using coke? At 66 that level of stimulation could cause arrythmia and arrest.

Posted by: phineas gage at October 02, 2017 03:29 PM (ALDN3)

437 off filthy ape sock

Posted by: Under Fire at October 02, 2017 03:29 PM (mcI77)

438 If any morons ever go to a game, the best way to handle this, is when the players knee, start chanting: "Knee before ZOD!" Ridicule their ass!

I wish I could take credit for this, but read it at another site.

Posted by: I'm the Honey Badger, BITCH! at October 02, 2017 03:29 PM (f7gW4)

439 The Fans verses Favorites was last series I watched. If more than 1 it was the 1st .

Posted by: Skip at October 02, 2017 03:29 PM (ghofu)

440 What the world needs is a good prime-time pro curling league.

I don't understand women's curling but I don't even care what the rules are.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 02, 2017 03:29 PM (39g3+)

441 ace, I think you're leaving out one vital reason for sports fandom, and that is HATE!

But, it's the healthy kind of hate, because it's irrational and even the fans know it. Bear/Packers or Yankee/Red Sox. That kind of rivalry keeps people emotionally invested in a team even if they're not otherwise any good, because nothing warms a Southy's heart more than beating those despised Yankees. But they don't hate all New Yorkers because they know it's irrational and a little extreme.

It's a healthy outlet for unhealthy tribalism. It's where foam-finger waving belongs. It's where in group versus out group thinking creates positive bonding.

When applied to the broader society through politics, it becomes a sick disease that divides neighbors and wrecks countries. That's where we're at.

Mixing politics in with the escapism that is sports was never going to be a good thing (unless it's the Olympics and even then not so much) and Goodell is a dunce for not recognising that.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 02, 2017 03:29 PM (z79tQ)

442 Did the Forty Niners really put out a statement saying the 'United States is an oppressive society?' Really?

If so they should go straight to hell without passing Go and collecting $200.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 02, 2017 03:29 PM (QHqvr)

443 I hate fucking monkeys with all my heart.

Posted by: Soothsayer

Hire it out.

Posted by: Roland THTG at October 02, 2017 03:30 PM (QM5S2)

444 I would argue that if the Raiders didn't protect a white qb on account of his politics, they are guilty of a federal civil rights vio too

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 02, 2017 03:30 PM (Z86mf)

445 UPDATE: We're told after Petty got to the hospital he had no brain activity and a decision was made to pull life support.
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Not sure where you read this, but honestly, IF he was able to exist off of life support, he might have had massive brain damage.

Posted by: shibumi at October 02, 2017 03:30 PM (aT+Bx)

446 I'm a huge Tom Petty fan, one of my favorite artists.

I've seen him several times in concert, really puts on a great show. Just an under rated artist in my opinion.

Sad if this is the end for him.

Posted by: Maritime at October 02, 2017 03:30 PM (lKmt3)

447 Can any of you imagine Shep caught in a shooting? I can picture him screaming like a school girl, elbowing people out of the way, knocking people down, and running across their bodies.

Dude looks like he weighs about 135 soaking wet. I doubt he could knock anybody down.

Posted by: bonhomme

I'd never go to a country concert. I prefer Chippendale's, and there I have a distinct weight/height advantage.

Posted by: Shep Smith at October 02, 2017 03:30 PM (/qEW2)

448 Tom Petty - one of the greats.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at October 02, 2017 03:31 PM (eytER)

449 I have to echo the statement that once you make the break, you won't even miss it.

I think for a lot of fans (not all) its more about the event, the friends, the snacks etc than the actual game. The game is more an excuse to do that other stuff. I mean, MLB is over (except post season) so that won't replace it exactly but you can watch lots of different sports these days with smart TVs. Find some rugby or Aussie Rules Football or something

We haven't watched any NFL games since last Sunday, and my husband is main driver behind it. Spent a lovely day outside yesterday, got some yard work done and other house projects done. Had a few beers and snacks on the deck in the sunshine and didn't miss it at all. Didn't even hear that our former team lost til this morning.

It's like the professor at Legal Insurrection says - loveless marriage - we really just don't care anymore.

Looking forward to hockey starting but sadly some of this is going to seep in everywhere:

"Boston sports teams call for united opposition against racism and hate"

If you aren't nauseated enough by the world read "take the lead" initiative. Just trying to make out that it's not really about hating on America I guess

Posted by: me at October 02, 2017 03:31 PM (RzUqr)

450 I hate fucking monkeys with all my heart.

Don't knock it till you've tried it.

Posted by: the remake Colonel George Taylor at October 02, 2017 03:31 PM (mJ8mX)

451 Always remember Petty singing "I Won't Back Down" at that first 9/11 benefit concert, right after. Not the big photo-op look-at-us-we're-helping one a few weeks later.

I used to have that whole show on VHS tape. Bet it's been memory-holed. There was a lot of interspersed footage in it of the sort that's been memory-holed, anyway.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at October 02, 2017 03:31 PM (ul9CR)

452 428 welcome back from banhammer camp , cannibal bob

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 02, 2017 03:27 PM (Z86mf)

Thank you. Different computer. Office. I'll check the Mac later.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 02, 2017 03:32 PM (QHqvr)

453 Wikipedia has in the first sentence of it's Tom Petty article , "Tom Petty WAS...."

Posted by: JoeF. at October 02, 2017 03:32 PM (7uYFy)

454 I find this hard to believe, you have all of us 'Ettes in the palm of your hand.
Posted by: ALH at October 02, 2017 03:27 PM (uLuPn)

Nah, just your pictures!
and in the other hand....

Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 02, 2017 03:32 PM (z79tQ)

455 Assume that this is true, just as it's stated: FBI wants to interview the gf "when she returns to the U.S.."

If there was any indication that she was somehow a factor in this, i.e. the "Islamic connection," they wouldn't wait. They would have flown out & interviewed her in person.

Now... I did say "assuming this to be true."

Also, the woman had been a "high roller hostess" in LV-- doesn't sound like she was into burkas much from that.

Posted by: mnw at October 02, 2017 03:33 PM (kQS08)

456 "I hate fucking monkeys with all my heart.

Posted by: Soothsayer"

Mo too! Screaming poop throwers. And they stink to high heaven.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 02, 2017 03:33 PM (QHqvr)

457 Cleveland fans can still watch the Browns and not support professional football.
Posted by: josephistan

Yes indeedy -doody! Ohio only has one pro football team, and they play on Saturday (Ohio State). And they're not in the NFL, either. They're in the conference that can't count.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at October 02, 2017 03:33 PM (vcOmj)

458 On topic, mostly, the fucktard Adam Gopnik that was in the New Yorker saying that the 2nd Amendment had to die? We've encountered him before.

2007 was a column about how CS Lewis was okay, I guess, but a shame about the Christiany stuff

This year, several months ago was a column about how we shouldn't have had a revolution, and our founding principles were "argle bargle

2015 cited "our shared blame" for San Bernardino

This year, February, was "Did the Oscars Just Prove That We Are Living in a Computer Simulation?"

Basically, he's overdue for about 36,000 swirlies, indian burns, outhouse tippings, being locked in lockers, and any number of other things.

Posted by: Sporkatus at October 02, 2017 03:34 PM (HtLSE)

459 I havent watched the NFL in years because it's dull, politicized, and I can find something better to do on any given Sunday, Monday, or Thursday. Besides, if I needed political advice, I wouldn't take it from a bunch of brain damaged 300 pounders in skin tight pants.

Posted by: ErikInTexas at October 02, 2017 03:34 PM (mIJ9W)

460 304 "Bruce" is just kind of a funny name in general, honestly.

I vaguely recall "They Call Me Bruce" as being a moderately funny movie.

Posted by: Anachronda at October 02, 2017 03:36 PM (v3pYe)

461 Not seeing anywhere that Petty is dead.

He's 66, just finished a tour celebrating 40 years of his band. That can take it out of you, big time.

As Johnny Paycheck told me in a hotel room in 1979, "The road is a dangerous place, man. You can die out here...or worse."

Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 02, 2017 03:37 PM (3myMJ)

462 384 One consideration is that Paddock is merely the drop pistol of a much more involved plan. Sort of like Lee Harvey making head shots on a moving target with an unzeroed rifle.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 02, 2017 03:22 PM (YV+SU)

Oswald did it. The reasons for the obfuscation around Oswald were because the US Government knew he was a whack job COMMUNIST that had actually defected to Russia. He was a fan of Fidel Castro and Cuba for gosh sakes.

If all that came out by December 1, 1963, don't you think there would have been lots of calls for War with Russia?

War with Russia. THERMONUCLEAR WAR with Russia. Back when everyone had Big, Big, Nuclear weapons. When 5 and 10 Megaton weapons were standard issue, and 30-50 Megaton Weapons were all the rage.

I wouldn't hesitate to lie to stop the possibility of that happening. Nuclear war in 1963 would have extinguished civilization in North America and Eurasia. Think Fallout.

Posted by: Sirhan Sirhan at October 02, 2017 03:37 PM (4dz1m)

463 Off sock.

Posted by: rd at October 02, 2017 03:38 PM (4dz1m)

464 "FBI wants to interview the gf "when she returns to the U.S.."

Check her for a suicide vest first.

Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 02, 2017 03:38 PM (3myMJ)

465 181 Driving them into the arms of soccer, I fear.

What the world needs is a good prime-time pro curling league.

Posted by: Anachronda at October 02, 2017 03:25 PM (sGtp+)

Driving them right into the arms of professional dodgeball.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Tailgate Special! Follies & Fulminations 50% Off at The Outrage Outlet! at October 02, 2017 03:38 PM (hLRSq)

466 nood

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 02, 2017 03:39 PM (mpXpK)

467 Any truth to the rumor that Meuller has hired Haley?

Posted by: OldDominionMom at October 02, 2017 03:39 PM (GzDYP)

468 Another failure of the NFL was it sitting back while NY State decided to sue fantasy football betting programs. Fantasy Football is/was the solution to the problem of keeping interest even when your team has long lost any chance at a playoff game. But FF is a short fad unless it has something else, which was skin in the game that comes from betting. The skin in the game keeps the FF player when his fantasy team also lost any chance at a playoff game. The betting sites added other dimensions to make FF fresh each week. Then the corrupt NY AG saw a chance to cash in while suing a vice. The NFL had no problem with it.

Posted by: Leland at October 02, 2017 03:41 PM (4y/OO)

469 Not seeing anywhere that Petty is dead.

He's 66, just finished a tour celebrating 40 years of his band. That can take it out of you, big time.

Posted by: Meremortal looking at October 02, 2017 03:37 PM (3myMJ)

Conflicting info. Wikipedia has him in the past tense, comments on TMZ indicate he's gone.
Nothing "official."

Posted by: JoeF. at October 02, 2017 03:44 PM (7uYFy)

470 Tom Petty's Wikipedia entry has already gone to "was."

Posted by: m at October 02, 2017 03:46 PM (7n0Ay)

471 Just lite off a string of firecrackers a few seconds into the anthem and they will all be standing ... if not running

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at October 02, 2017 03:48 PM (ckI7j)

472 447 I prefer Chippendale's, and there I have a distinct weight/height advantage.

Posted by: Shep Smith

We talkin' 'bout the chipmunks?

Posted by: Anachronda at October 02, 2017 03:51 PM (sGtp+)

473 "There could not have been a worse target for a protest than the national anthem in a sport that has marinated itself in patriotism."

On the contrary: that's precisely why they picked that target.

To think that this whole thing started with Kapernick being p^ssy-whipped by his radical girlfriend! That's the main reason he did it.

Posted by: gp at October 02, 2017 03:52 PM (mk9aG)

474 "Will Tonight End the NFL Kneeling Protests?"

Frankly ~~Scarlett~~ Ace, I don't give a damn!

- Rhett Butler, former Atlanta Falcons fan

Posted by: random ~~lurker~~ commenter at October 02, 2017 03:53 PM (dab45)

475 players will take a knee tonite to commemorate the shooting victims and also call attention to all of the white hate in usa. you can bet they will take MORE knees tonite.

Posted by: mr wolf at October 02, 2017 03:55 PM (YkEgi)

476 >>>I think for a lot of fans (not all) its more about the event, the friends, the snacks etc than the actual game. The game is more an excuse to do that other stuff. I mean, MLB is over (except post season) so that won't replace it exactly but you can watch lots of different sports these days with smart TVs. Find some rugby or Aussie Rules Football or something.

Games night/games day sounds dorky, but give it a chance.

The problem with a games day or games night is that other people think it's dorky, so it's hard to get them to learn the rules of a game (like Pandemic or Fury of Dracula), but once they do, they love it.

Hard to get them to though. I think there's an idea out there that you're just trying to get them to play some kind of starter version of Dungeons and Dragons.

Posted by: ace at October 02, 2017 03:57 PM (8rNrN)

477 Just FYI - I thought the NFL was bullshit before it was cool.

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2017 04:00 PM (Sfs6o)

478 I really,really,really hope the players do not say anything about this dreadful event.

I would much rather them stay on their knees for the cop killer crowd and be who they are.

Posted by: Drider at October 02, 2017 04:00 PM (HdKKm)

479 "The fact that she expressed her views on social media is unacceptable. She should have just said them verbally in the office where there is no permanent record of her opinions! We totally agree with her sentiments -- just not the way she foolishly chose to express them. So we'e firing her for poor communication skills, not poor opinions."

Posted by: zombie at October 02, 2017 03:00 PM (DQ4Fv)

That is exactly it
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 02, 2017 03:02 PM (493sH)

Having had the misfortune of working for several media companies, I can say this is 100 percent true. They will say anything -- and I mean, anything -- in the office, because they are comfortable in the belief that everyone there agrees with them.

They're mostly right, of course, but a few of us horrible types did manage to get hired.

Posted by: BethinPA at October 02, 2017 04:08 PM (60OJF)

480 What the world needs is a good prime-time pro curling league.

Two words: Beach Volleyball League

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 02, 2017 04:14 PM (QQ+il)

481 Right to free speech? Has no one in their circle ever read the words in the First Amendment? If not, ask the CBS lawyer!

Posted by: Bill R. at October 02, 2017 04:24 PM (IuYIh)

482 Oh, and I quit watching the NFL over a year ago. I don't care if they quit kneeling today, tomorrow, or ever. I have better things to do.

Posted by: Bill R. at October 02, 2017 04:26 PM (IuYIh)

483 You have to keep in mind, women feel incredibly empowered and liberated to be rid of me.)

LOL! But not because you lack a sense of humor. :^) Perhaps it's liberating for them not to be with someone they found out sneaks off to kill, skin and eat hobos r who has a hairy pet when there's a blue moon.

Anyway, i know it was said in jest but I sense a lot of past hurt behind it and I am sorry.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 02, 2017 04:29 PM (iVOAv)

484 483-Hairy pelt

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 02, 2017 04:31 PM (iVOAv)

485 3/4 of a year tournament? The season starts in September and ends the first weekend of February. That's 5/12, just over a 1/4 year. Now, BASEBALL runs from April to the beginning of November. That's 2/3 of a year.

Posted by: RonF at October 02, 2017 04:32 PM (l8nW6)

486 "What exactly did they want to happen so they would stop kneeling?"

Nothing. That's the thing of it. As far as I can tell, they just want people to feel bad and guilty.

I don't watch football, but this entire kerfluffle has been very compelling to me (for reasons of people actually rejecting patriotism, then trying to pass it off as something else), and I have followed it all closely.

We had dinner with daughter and her boyfriend last night to celebrate our 40 year anniversary. First thing they did was to ask hubby if he was boycotting the NFL.

Last I mentioned him and NFL on some forum was to say he was a mild-mannered, not particularly political guy, but he was beginning to get annoyed.

Well, hubby surprised me by saying to them that he did not watch on Sunday, or on Saturday.

A robust discussion followed, where boyfriend pronounced it all "disgraceful," and daughter sheepishly admitted she watched a game. I told her they wouldn't know that, since she's not a Nielson person, and that only if she paid for a game or bought merchandise would they know.

Well, this was all very surprising to me. Hubby generally tells other people what he thinks and does before he tells me (an oddity, I know) and I don't push him much on things, or tell him what I think he should do, on stuff like this. And also it was interesting to learn that daughter and boyfriend didn't like any of it, either. So everybody is on the same page.

So . . . good!

Posted by: Alana at October 02, 2017 04:34 PM (Ind/z)

487 *that is, on some things, does he tell other people more.

Posted by: Alana at October 02, 2017 04:35 PM (Ind/z)

488 As we are often told by the left, you have a right to free speech. You do not have a right to non-governmental consequences.

Posted by: RonF at October 02, 2017 04:37 PM (l8nW6)

489 Will never watch again. Why?
Dog killer Vick let back in
Belichek cheating should have barred him for life from the game
the Saints bounty hunting;
Threatening VIctor Cruz for 9-11 tribute
Allowing pigs as cop socks
Preventing Cowboys from honoring dead cops
Having a "Black Power" super bowl halftime
And that Kaperprick stuff

Posted by: Bruce at October 02, 2017 04:41 PM (6IXf1)

490 When the reports of the off duty cop being killed came in, I immediately felt angry at the NFL. Rational? Probably not...but they deserve disdain for their antics.

They are pond scum. Lower than pond scum.

I hope the NFL collapses. They had already grown into a monstrosity & ruined football years ago.

Let them self-destruct & maybe we can get real football back.

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla loves Silverbacks at October 02, 2017 05:03 PM (D2xaQ)

491
NFL owners so far siding with their players for their right to free speech,

Right to free speech my hairy butthole.

Virtually no one has said that these cocksuckers don't have the right to free speech, to include kneeling during the anthem. No. One.

Go ahead, you spoiled brats. If you feel it's important to kneel or lock arms during the anthem, go ahead. If it's a violation of NFL rules, that's between you, the owners and the league.

But by the same token, the NFL audience is perfectly free to call you spoiled ingrates, turn the channel, and find something else to do on Sunday afternoon.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 02, 2017 05:13 PM (veoSD)

492 You will be made to care.

Posted by: NFL fans, to the NFL at October 02, 2017 05:17 PM (EATOD)

493 I have found High school football to be a nice alternative.

Posted by: Fox at October 02, 2017 05:21 PM (DVC2D)

494 Any business that decided to inject politics or religion or whatever into their pitch to me will then be evaluated on that pitch. I am a lifelong Seahawks and NFL fan. It doesn't matter what they do now, I won't be returning.

Posted by: Mark in Portland at October 02, 2017 05:21 PM (gzXEH)

495 Now if they want to protest against the DH rule, I'm in.

heh. me too. that was the reason i quit watching beisbol.

Posted by: Sweet Andy Licious at October 02, 2017 05:24 PM (Mo5Uy)

496 They probably will all kneel tonite "in memory of the LV victims, and to protest fascist Trump's support for 2A."

Posted by: gp at October 02, 2017 05:48 PM (mk9aG)

497 Roger Goodell is a complete spineless failure and has single-handedly allowed the NFL to begin collapsing on itself.

He reminds me of Captain Queeg on the Caine Mutiny, Humphrey Bogart screaming about "who took the strawberries?"

Goodell took his eye off the ball years ago, and what is happening now is a result of that inaction.

Posted by: a real American at October 02, 2017 06:57 PM (UsCnO)

498 if the so-called SJW's of the NFL had the courage of their convictions, they'd kneel during -plays-, not during the anthem.

Posted by: TJ at October 02, 2017 07:42 PM (4eMlQ)

499 Just watched the national anthem and the KC Chiefs had one person sit on the bench.

Posted by: Conan at October 02, 2017 08:26 PM (jchTW)

500 @499: That would be Chiefs cornerback Marcus Peters, who sat with a smirk on his face while literally EVERYBODY ELSE IN ARROWHEAD stood for the anthem.

And then asshole Peters promptly gave up a long touchdown pass to the 'Skins. Jeez.

Posted by: Wes S. at October 02, 2017 08:37 PM (fkk6h)

501 Excellent post, spot on !

Posted by: Gonzotx at October 02, 2017 08:44 PM (bOYSz)

502 Regular season & playoffs extend from early Sept to first Sun in Feb. 5/12 is NOT 3/4.

Arithmetic is unforgiving.

Posted by: middyfeek at October 03, 2017 06:07 AM (ykVjl)

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