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Why is Government Trying to Make a Proven Smoking-Cessation Device Illegal?
The busybodies of the government are determined to destroy vaping, which has helped millions and millions of people quit smoking.
In case you're wondering: It's the smoke that makes smoking dangerous, not the nicotine. Nicotine is the addictive agent, but it's the smoke that's the poison. The tar contains the carcinogens; nicotine itself isn't a carcinogen. Health studies have found that vaping is at least 95% less harmful than smoking, and its harms are mostly stuff about increasing blood pressure and vasoconstriction, stuff that coffee does too. A harm, yes, and something you'd be better off without -- but it's not cancer. For me, personally, I quit cold turkey, but started vaping when I complained about a loss of mental focus to a doctor. The doctor said, "Well, as a doctor, I can't recommend vaping exactly, but you might try it." I think his calculation was, "Better you get your nicotine fix via the at-least-95%-less-harmful vape than that you start building a case in your brain for why you should start smoking cigarettes again." Was he right? Well, I didn't start smoking again. (Which I'd done before after quitting.) And I've gone from 1.8% nicotine by volume, to 1.2%, to 0.6%, to mixing 0.6% with 0.3% for a net of about 0.45%. I hope to get down to 0.3% next month, and then, after a few months of that, maybe mixing 0.3% with 0.0% for a net of 0.15%.So bit by bit, I'm actually going off the least harmful part of the cigarette too. Once I get down to 0.3% or 0.15%, I'll be at such a low level that I could probably just stop altogether without even trying.
Or, I could vape occasionally when I wanted a little boost -- and at such a low dosage, with nicotine itself not being a particularly harmful substance (not good for you, but not really any kind of public health threat), what risk would I really be running if I did so? I know several commenters here have much the same story. I know at least one is vaping currently at 0.0% nicotine -- that is, no nicotine at all, just doing the vape to mimic the physical part of the addictive behavior. (Like a smoker will try puffing on an unlit cigarette to mimic smoking without smoking.) But for some reason, crazed Progressive Puritans really really want me to go back to smoking. Maybe so that I can start putting tax money into their government again, funding their sex education classes, and also dying earlier so I can help shore up Obamacare's collapsing financing by simply no longer existing. Instapundit's post urges Republicans to get on this issue:
Republicans have a chance to to combine sound science and good politics by protecting the 10 million American vapers, a demographic that’s projected to double in the next decade. “These contemptuous nanny-state jerks want to take away the products that are saving their lives,” says Grover Norquist, the GOP strategist. “Believe me, this is a vote-moving issue.”Indeed it is -- Ron Johnson needed more votes in 2016, and was projected to be a likely loser. But he went around to all the vape stores in Wisconsin and promised them he'd protect them against FDA crackdowns -- and he managed an unexpected win, and is still regarded favorably by most vapers even if they're Democrats. The documentary below is available on Amazon and maybe Netflix. It talks a lot about how a Baptist/Bootlegger alliance teamed up to prohibit alcohol -- the Baptists wanted alcohol illegal because they thought it was an immoral drink that led to greater vices, and Bootleggers wanted it illegal because Bootleggers only make money if liquor is illegal. It notes a similar Baptist/Bootlegger alliance going on with the effort towards a new Prohibition on vaping. The Progressive Puritans want it illegal because it "looks like smoking" and because Progressives feel that any vice they don't partake in must be Unholy and therefore be made Illegal, and meanwhile major drug companies which make approved smoking-cessation drugs don't like vaping intruding on their turf. And of course the government has a vested interest in keeping smokers hooked and dying early, because they pay enormous taxes on cigarettes and exit the health care system earlier than others.
Comments
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Big Tobacco is not happy about vaping.
Also... no money in Social Security, can ya'll please die FASTER?
Also... no money in Social Security, can ya'll please die FASTER?
Posted by: shibumi at September 14, 2017 07:25 PM (aT+Bx)
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Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at September 14, 2017 07:25 PM (/qEW2)
Posted by: filbert at September 14, 2017 07:26 PM (s5o+q)
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Because the Cigarette Lobby is powerful in both parties.
Because the Cigarette Lobby is powerful in both parties.
Posted by: Soothsayer On Ice! at September 14, 2017 07:28 PM (6BbGq)
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so much of progressivism falls completely under this great Mencken quote:
"Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy"
"Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy"
Posted by: Bored383 at September 14, 2017 07:29 PM (70HTk)
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Government sucks. Just wanted to reaffirm that.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 14, 2017 07:29 PM (rb1zT)
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They want you on Weed, so you'll be easier to control.
Posted by: Hikaru at September 14, 2017 07:29 PM (Vevy5)
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I think it's 2 reasons.
The moral busybodies had the scalp of smokers and now it's like it has come back to life and people can do it without all the regulations and its not hurting anybody. It's psychologically damaging to them.
Also, because Big Tobacco (the ancient enemy of the Left) might make some money off of it.
I have a good friend that's a lobbyist and he had a meeting with the American Heart Association and how they wanted to stop vaping and do a big campaign, get legislation, etc. He asked why did they care since there has been zero health risk and they basically had no answer and were pissed it was even brought up.
The moral busybodies had the scalp of smokers and now it's like it has come back to life and people can do it without all the regulations and its not hurting anybody. It's psychologically damaging to them.
Also, because Big Tobacco (the ancient enemy of the Left) might make some money off of it.
I have a good friend that's a lobbyist and he had a meeting with the American Heart Association and how they wanted to stop vaping and do a big campaign, get legislation, etc. He asked why did they care since there has been zero health risk and they basically had no answer and were pissed it was even brought up.
Posted by: Maritime at September 14, 2017 07:30 PM (G/kZc)
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I've been vaping for four years now. I used to be a pack and a half a day smoker. My lungs feel like they did when I was 16 years old. Fuck these corrupt asshole.
PS: I buy my vape from Mt Baker Vapor online. Good company.
PS: I buy my vape from Mt Baker Vapor online. Good company.
Posted by: Under Fire at September 14, 2017 07:30 PM (mcI77)
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In case you're wondering: It's the smoke that makes smoking dangerous, not the nicotine. Nicotine is the addictive agent, but it's the smoke that's the poison. The tar contains the carcinogens; nicotine itself isn't a carcinogen.
Don't forget, these are mostly the same people who think that smoking tobacco leaves is the worst thing ever on Earth but smoking marijuana leaves is good for your lungs.
The fact is that the anti-smoking douchebags don't hate cigarette smoking, they hate cigarette smokers - no matter what they are doing.
Don't forget, these are mostly the same people who think that smoking tobacco leaves is the worst thing ever on Earth but smoking marijuana leaves is good for your lungs.
The fact is that the anti-smoking douchebags don't hate cigarette smoking, they hate cigarette smokers - no matter what they are doing.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 14, 2017 07:31 PM (rZ+mb)
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Government doesn't like vaping either.
It could kill their tax revenue. If it starts to bite, they'll tax nicotine.
It could kill their tax revenue. If it starts to bite, they'll tax nicotine.
Posted by: Meremortal at September 14, 2017 07:31 PM (3myMJ)
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But for some reason, crazed Progressive Puritans really really want me
to go back to smoking. Maybe so that I can start putting tax money into
their government again, funding their sex education classes, and also
dying earlier so I can help shore up Obamacare's collapsing financing by
simply no longer existing.
You are CORRECT, sir!!!
to go back to smoking. Maybe so that I can start putting tax money into
their government again, funding their sex education classes, and also
dying earlier so I can help shore up Obamacare's collapsing financing by
simply no longer existing.
You are CORRECT, sir!!!
Posted by: tu3031 at September 14, 2017 07:31 PM (O5Q3r)
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Doing my best to keep Dominican cigar companies, Arturo Fuente in particular.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 14, 2017 07:31 PM (s28y4)
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You want logic, from Democrats? Really?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at September 14, 2017 07:32 PM (6Ll1u)
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Because they're here to help, of course.
Posted by: wth at September 14, 2017 07:33 PM (HgMAr)
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My last real cigarette was Mar 28 2017, and my doctor, like yours, made no recommendation besides "if you think vaping will help stop tobacco usage, then try it".
So glad I did
So glad I did
Posted by: DB41 at September 14, 2017 07:33 PM (kcHi7)
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Vaping robs them of their precious "second hand smoke" argument, right?
I'd say it's that simple: they can't claim vaping is killing the children, polluting the parks, etc. - thus they lose their reason to control smokers' behavior.
I'd say it's that simple: they can't claim vaping is killing the children, polluting the parks, etc. - thus they lose their reason to control smokers' behavior.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 14, 2017 07:33 PM (W+vEI)
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Interesting anecdote on the lobbying meeting, Maritime.
Yeah, over time I've become less and less tolerant of nanny-state control over every aspect of our lives (well, duh, as now we've reached the point where people are directly and seriously affected by federal policy in a way undreamt of and never seen in our history).
This anti-vaping thing may be the platonic ideal of this sickness, this alien instinct, that has made America so much less free. Ace's analogy to Prohibition, and the taxonomy of the baleful coalition that imposed it, is perfect.
Yeah, over time I've become less and less tolerant of nanny-state control over every aspect of our lives (well, duh, as now we've reached the point where people are directly and seriously affected by federal policy in a way undreamt of and never seen in our history).
This anti-vaping thing may be the platonic ideal of this sickness, this alien instinct, that has made America so much less free. Ace's analogy to Prohibition, and the taxonomy of the baleful coalition that imposed it, is perfect.
Posted by: Gary Cohn's delicate conscience at September 14, 2017 07:34 PM (0BFUD)
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It's more FAKE NEWS. The lies about e-cigarettes are ridiculous.
Posted by: Tomorrow at September 14, 2017 07:34 PM (q177U)
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Katy Tur's smoking cessation device is called a penis.
Posted by: wth at September 14, 2017 07:35 PM (HgMAr)
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Never smoked, I find your description of vaping appealing. I'm feeling the pressure to give it a try.
Posted by: Eggo at September 14, 2017 07:35 PM (Yti03)
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I think one of the reasons is that they claim it's a gateway to real smoking for kids. Also other chemicals besides nicotine in the liquid. Not say it's accurate but it's part of their argument.
I did note that the vaping cig companies got smart and came up with a cig that won't leak all over you .
I did note that the vaping cig companies got smart and came up with a cig that won't leak all over you .
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 14, 2017 07:35 PM (LuKE7)
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17 Vaping robs them of their precious "second hand smoke" argument, right?
I'd say it's that simple: they can't claim vaping is killing the children, polluting the parks, etc. - thus they lose their reason to control smokers' behavior.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 14, 2017 07:33 PM (W+vEI)
Their current Bullshit claim is that vaping will make children "want to smoke".
I'd say it's that simple: they can't claim vaping is killing the children, polluting the parks, etc. - thus they lose their reason to control smokers' behavior.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 14, 2017 07:33 PM (W+vEI)
Their current Bullshit claim is that vaping will make children "want to smoke".
Posted by: Hikaru at September 14, 2017 07:35 PM (Vevy5)
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Over 10 years ago I was doing 4 packs a day. I had a heart attack then quit cold turkey. Haven't smoked one since. There was no "vaping" then. As for the politicians now, they simply can't give up control of the peons.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 14, 2017 07:36 PM (mpXpK)
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In my cold dead hand will still be a Marlboro.
Posted by: Ben Had at September 14, 2017 07:36 PM (wDRd5)
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Here is where I shill for Snus as a nicotine delivery system.
Snus are little pouches of nicotine crystals that you stick under your upper lip. They're a Scandi invention, but hey, even a blind squirrel fucks a pumpkin twice a day.
You don't get the skank mouth that one gets from dip, nor the need to spit. Girls don't mind kissing you when you Snus. (I imagine boys wouldn't either, if that's who you kiss).
Marlboro makes them, but the better ones are from Camel.
I am still a nicotine addict but I've been smoke free for seven years (minus a stretch during a bad breakup, I needed actual smoking for that).
Snus are little pouches of nicotine crystals that you stick under your upper lip. They're a Scandi invention, but hey, even a blind squirrel fucks a pumpkin twice a day.
You don't get the skank mouth that one gets from dip, nor the need to spit. Girls don't mind kissing you when you Snus. (I imagine boys wouldn't either, if that's who you kiss).
Marlboro makes them, but the better ones are from Camel.
I am still a nicotine addict but I've been smoke free for seven years (minus a stretch during a bad breakup, I needed actual smoking for that).
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 14, 2017 07:36 PM (gIRsn)
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Here's your answer:
"Even though the Tobacco Industry spends up to $6 billion a year on
advertising and promotion, large tobacco companies can deduct up to 100%
of the cost from a their tax bill in the U.S. Meanwhile, congress
provides $40 million a year in tobacco tax subsidies and spends $250
million a year to counter tobacco advertising
with anti-tobacco programs.
In addition the Centers for Disease Control and the University of
California estimated that in 1993 the health care cost of tobacco
related disease was at least $50 billion, or $2.06 per pack, which
exceeded the 56 cents tax revenue per pack earned as income in the
U.S"
So..Big Tobacco supports advertising and, since it kills people, the medical industry. Plus "the jobs."
"Even though the Tobacco Industry spends up to $6 billion a year on
advertising and promotion, large tobacco companies can deduct up to 100%
of the cost from a their tax bill in the U.S. Meanwhile, congress
provides $40 million a year in tobacco tax subsidies and spends $250
million a year to counter tobacco advertising
with anti-tobacco programs.
In addition the Centers for Disease Control and the University of
California estimated that in 1993 the health care cost of tobacco
related disease was at least $50 billion, or $2.06 per pack, which
exceeded the 56 cents tax revenue per pack earned as income in the
U.S"
So..Big Tobacco supports advertising and, since it kills people, the medical industry. Plus "the jobs."
Posted by: shibumi at September 14, 2017 07:36 PM (aT+Bx)
Posted by: fluffy at September 14, 2017 07:36 PM (U0v/A)
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So...is vaping more or less unhealthy than smoking pot?
Posted by: Lizzy at September 14, 2017 07:37 PM (W+vEI)
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If democrats stop smoking and the taxes associated with it,they will go broke.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at September 14, 2017 07:37 PM (6Ll1u)
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Why is Government Trying to Make a Proven Smoking-Cessation Device Illegal?
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Hmmmm, they collect more from cigarette tax?
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Hmmmm, they collect more from cigarette tax?
Posted by: gNewt at September 14, 2017 07:37 PM (shMPn)
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I have been vaping for 5 years now (this past August.) Have not touched a real cigarette since.
I have been using a Tobeco mini super tank along with the iStick Power. Nice, easy to use, lots of vapor.
If you are in Lexington, Ky, I would recommend 723 Vapor. Good selection of liquids and e-cigs.
I have been using a Tobeco mini super tank along with the iStick Power. Nice, easy to use, lots of vapor.
If you are in Lexington, Ky, I would recommend 723 Vapor. Good selection of liquids and e-cigs.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 14, 2017 07:37 PM (rb1zT)
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FEED ME!!!
Posted by: the Beast of Government at September 14, 2017 07:37 PM (mJ8mX)
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I really do think this stuff is just tribal.
Ace has mentioned this before, but the same people who are anti-smoking or vaping will then be all about legalizing marijuana.
It's like smoking is what your Republican parents did and marijuana is the counterculture, it has nothing to do with the health consequences of either choice.
Ace has mentioned this before, but the same people who are anti-smoking or vaping will then be all about legalizing marijuana.
It's like smoking is what your Republican parents did and marijuana is the counterculture, it has nothing to do with the health consequences of either choice.
Posted by: Maritime at September 14, 2017 07:38 PM (G/kZc)
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>>The fact is that the anti-smoking douchebags don't hate cigarette
smoking, they hate cigarette smokers - no matter what they are doing.
Yeah, and about cigars...? Rarely hear about them being demonized the way cigarette smokers are.
smoking, they hate cigarette smokers - no matter what they are doing.
Yeah, and about cigars...? Rarely hear about them being demonized the way cigarette smokers are.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 14, 2017 07:38 PM (W+vEI)
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Because it is not about health, it never is about an individuals well being, or happiness.
It is about the visionary visions of the overlord, and their ability to force their wills upon others.
It is about the visionary visions of the overlord, and their ability to force their wills upon others.
Posted by: kraken at September 14, 2017 07:39 PM (zSVEm)
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Another funny question to ask, just for shits and giggles, is:
What the heck happened to that $250 billion extortion of the tobacco companies? Where did all that money go? It seemed to have just disappeared into the ether.
What the heck happened to that $250 billion extortion of the tobacco companies? Where did all that money go? It seemed to have just disappeared into the ether.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 14, 2017 07:39 PM (rZ+mb)
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And TPOP beat me to it - at the same time, marijuana is set to become widely and easily available, and ...... hmm, no panic among "public health" types. Odd.
As I've noted before, whereTF are the zillions of $$$ of public money spent on anti-tobacco ads, for marijuana? And let's see the non-carcinogenic effects included, too.
I give fewer than zero f***s if somebody wants to smoke or ingest dope. Their life, their problem/joy/salvation/whateverTF.
But since I'm enslaved in a country with no more medical insurance, and a billion kinds of welfare and cost-shifting, always favoring the risk-takers and punishing the prudent, then I'd like to see pot get at least the tobacco treatment.
As I've noted before, whereTF are the zillions of $$$ of public money spent on anti-tobacco ads, for marijuana? And let's see the non-carcinogenic effects included, too.
I give fewer than zero f***s if somebody wants to smoke or ingest dope. Their life, their problem/joy/salvation/whateverTF.
But since I'm enslaved in a country with no more medical insurance, and a billion kinds of welfare and cost-shifting, always favoring the risk-takers and punishing the prudent, then I'd like to see pot get at least the tobacco treatment.
Posted by: Gary Cohn's delicate conscience at September 14, 2017 07:39 PM (0BFUD)
Posted by: Schloss owner operator at September 14, 2017 07:40 PM (S1WrL)
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What the heck happened to that $250 billion extortion of the tobacco companies? Where did all that money go? It seemed to have just disappeared into the ether.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair
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Trial Lawyers.
One guy alone took in over a billion dollars I believe and bought the Baltimore Orioles.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair
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Trial Lawyers.
One guy alone took in over a billion dollars I believe and bought the Baltimore Orioles.
Posted by: Maritime at September 14, 2017 07:40 PM (G/kZc)
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Yeah, and about cigars...? Rarely hear about them being demonized the way cigarette smokers are.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 14, 2017 07:38 PM (W+vEI)
Cigarettes are what the proles smoke.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 14, 2017 07:38 PM (W+vEI)
Cigarettes are what the proles smoke.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at September 14, 2017 07:41 PM (rvNNy)
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This is odd but pretty good. Scenes from the cartoon Underdog dubbed with lines from Casino. The end is hilarious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwYj9gQoaug
This is odd but pretty good. Scenes from the cartoon Underdog dubbed with lines from Casino. The end is hilarious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwYj9gQoaug
Posted by: Soothsayer On Ice! at September 14, 2017 07:41 PM (6BbGq)
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32 I have been vaping for 5 years now (this past August.) Have not touched a real cigarette since.
I have been using a Tobeco mini super tank along with the iStick Power. Nice, easy to use, lots of vapor.
If you are in Lexington, Ky, I would recommend 723 Vapor. Good selection of liquids and e-cigs.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 14, 2017 07:37 PM (rb1zT)
I also use an iStick (50W) and an Aspire Triton mini tank.
I have been using a Tobeco mini super tank along with the iStick Power. Nice, easy to use, lots of vapor.
If you are in Lexington, Ky, I would recommend 723 Vapor. Good selection of liquids and e-cigs.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 14, 2017 07:37 PM (rb1zT)
I also use an iStick (50W) and an Aspire Triton mini tank.
Posted by: Under Fire at September 14, 2017 07:41 PM (mcI77)
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The only thing I miss about smoking is that every time I pass an anti-smoking sign or see an anti-smoking commercial, I want to light up.
I'm just contrary like that.
I'm just contrary like that.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 14, 2017 07:41 PM (rb1zT)
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From my cold, dead hands. Fuck these Carrie Nation Revival wannabes.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 14, 2017 07:41 PM (NWiLs)
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Smoking and vaping causes even more global warming.
Posted by: Beyonce, climate scientist at September 14, 2017 07:42 PM (HgMAr)
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So...is vaping more or less unhealthy than smoking pot?
Posted by: Lizzy
________
A joint is about 60 times worse for you than a cigarette.
Posted by: Lizzy
________
A joint is about 60 times worse for you than a cigarette.
Posted by: FireHorse at September 14, 2017 07:42 PM (zkGZ8)
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How about dope-sticks? They're still legal, right? Except for bullet-headed Zoop-runners of course.
Posted by: Retief at September 14, 2017 07:43 PM (mJ8mX)
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The left is suffering from acute cognitive dissonance. They believe two contradictory views to be simultaneously valid. Smoking is bad but smoking tax is good! Gays are OK, Muslims are OK even though they kill gays! Do not try to understand the views of the left because they are beyond the comprehension of any rational person.
Posted by: wayne at September 14, 2017 07:43 PM (+JFwL)
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Vaping beats the hell out of smoking.
Doing neither is probably best.
I vaguely know a guy whose vape thing blew up when in his mouth. The photos from ICU were ugly. He lost 7 teeth and had to have surgeries to correct damage to his mouth, palate, lips and cheeks.
He survived though so it's all good. I assume the exploding vape thing is rare. I have't asked whether he's vaping again.
Doing neither is probably best.
I vaguely know a guy whose vape thing blew up when in his mouth. The photos from ICU were ugly. He lost 7 teeth and had to have surgeries to correct damage to his mouth, palate, lips and cheeks.
He survived though so it's all good. I assume the exploding vape thing is rare. I have't asked whether he's vaping again.
Posted by: Meremortal at September 14, 2017 07:43 PM (3myMJ)
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The state of illinois ... cigs are about 6.50-7 bucks a pack.
Missouri is around 3.20-3.50 a pack.
Taxes. Sin tax. If everyone in Illinois quit smoking tomorrow, the loss of revenue would be immediately made up for, by an onerous tax on something else.
Of course in Illinois, there is much posturing and virtue signalling about the cost of cigs encouraging people to quit. My take... follow the money. With government, follow the money.
Missouri is around 3.20-3.50 a pack.
Taxes. Sin tax. If everyone in Illinois quit smoking tomorrow, the loss of revenue would be immediately made up for, by an onerous tax on something else.
Of course in Illinois, there is much posturing and virtue signalling about the cost of cigs encouraging people to quit. My take... follow the money. With government, follow the money.
Posted by: kraken at September 14, 2017 07:43 PM (zSVEm)
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It is always about the money. In NY a pack of cigarettes is 13 bucks, 5.25 here in TX. When I started smoking a pack was .65 cents.
I have paid for a lot of little urchins to go to school.
I have paid for a lot of little urchins to go to school.
Posted by: Ben Had at September 14, 2017 07:43 PM (wDRd5)
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I've been trying to get my mom to vape instead of smoke but I need to have something that is as easy as pulling a cig from a pack and flicking a bic.
Any suggestions?
Any suggestions?
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 14, 2017 07:43 PM (LuKE7)
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They don't want you to do anything resembling smoking. They want you to buy edible pot products. Vaping seems like smoking so they are against it.
People used to buy "cigarettes" containing mullein. They used them for asthma. When I first had problems with my lungs, I tried smoking some of it. I had someone concerned that it would be bad for my lungs and that I would become addicted to it. I didn't and it wasn't. Second hand smoke from cigarettes causing health issues is BS too.
People used to buy "cigarettes" containing mullein. They used them for asthma. When I first had problems with my lungs, I tried smoking some of it. I had someone concerned that it would be bad for my lungs and that I would become addicted to it. I didn't and it wasn't. Second hand smoke from cigarettes causing health issues is BS too.
Posted by: notsothoreau at September 14, 2017 07:44 PM (JKNZq)
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And in all their railing against tobacco and how it's the worst thing in the galaxy ... you never hear anyone from the left mention the Indians. Not once. It's as if the Europeans brought tobacco over to the New WOrld.
These dipshits can bitch and moan about delusional crimes a thousand years ago by some white guy ... but the connection of Indians and tobacco is totally gone. It's kind of funny.
These dipshits can bitch and moan about delusional crimes a thousand years ago by some white guy ... but the connection of Indians and tobacco is totally gone. It's kind of funny.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 14, 2017 07:44 PM (rZ+mb)
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Vaping is the only thing that helped my brother quit smoking.
I consider it a miracle.
I will not say what I consider those who are trying to destroy vaping.
I consider it a miracle.
I will not say what I consider those who are trying to destroy vaping.
Posted by: alexthechick at September 14, 2017 07:44 PM (dEQP3)
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Posted by: Meremortal at September 14, 2017 07:43 PM (3myMJ)
Okay that puts a twist on my efforts.
Okay that puts a twist on my efforts.
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 14, 2017 07:45 PM (LuKE7)
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The Progressive Puritans want it illegal because it "looks like smoking" and because Progressives feel that any vice they don't partake in must be Unholy and therefore be made Illegal, and meanwhile major drug companies which make approved smoking-cessation drugs don't like vaping intruding on their turf.
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The gap between "U.S." and "THEM" grows wider everyday.
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The gap between "U.S." and "THEM" grows wider everyday.
Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at September 14, 2017 07:45 PM (2wRtc)
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I vaguely know a guy whose vape thing blew up when in his mouth. The photos from ICU were ugly. He lost 7 teeth and had to have surgeries to correct damage to his mouth, palate, lips and cheeks.
He survived though so it's all good. I assume the exploding vape thing is rare. I have't asked whether he's vaping again.
Posted by: Meremortal
__________
Was he related to the guy that died when he ate Pop Rocks and drank a Pepsi at the same time?
I vaguely know a guy whose vape thing blew up when in his mouth. The photos from ICU were ugly. He lost 7 teeth and had to have surgeries to correct damage to his mouth, palate, lips and cheeks.
He survived though so it's all good. I assume the exploding vape thing is rare. I have't asked whether he's vaping again.
Posted by: Meremortal
__________
Was he related to the guy that died when he ate Pop Rocks and drank a Pepsi at the same time?
Posted by: Maritime at September 14, 2017 07:45 PM (G/kZc)
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Nicotine lozenges... they don't know how to demonize those, so they ignore them. Funny, that.
Posted by: kraken at September 14, 2017 07:45 PM (zSVEm)
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56 Vaping is the only thing that helped my brother quit smoking.
I consider it a miracle.
I will not say what I consider those who are trying to destroy vaping.
Posted by: alexthechick at September 14, 2017 07:44 PM (dEQP3)
Asshats, Ma'am?
I consider it a miracle.
I will not say what I consider those who are trying to destroy vaping.
Posted by: alexthechick at September 14, 2017 07:44 PM (dEQP3)
Asshats, Ma'am?
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 14, 2017 07:45 PM (rb1zT)
Posted by: Gary Cohn's delicate conscience at September 14, 2017 07:46 PM (0BFUD)
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49 The left is suffering from acute cognitive dissonance. They believe two contradictory views to be simultaneously valid. Smoking is bad but smoking tax is good! Gays are OK, Muslims are OK even though they kill gays! Do not try to understand the views of the left because they are beyond the comprehension of any rational person.
Posted by: wayne at September 14, 2017 07:43 PM (+JFwL)
The current generation of Leftists literally want to destroy the world, because they are both Nihilists AND Egotists, and they are disgusted by the idea of civilization continuing to survive after they are dead and gone.
Posted by: wayne at September 14, 2017 07:43 PM (+JFwL)
The current generation of Leftists literally want to destroy the world, because they are both Nihilists AND Egotists, and they are disgusted by the idea of civilization continuing to survive after they are dead and gone.
Posted by: Hikaru at September 14, 2017 07:46 PM (Vevy5)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 14, 2017 07:46 PM (/tuJf)
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You know who else was a rabid anti-smoker?
Posted by: andycanuck at September 14, 2017 07:46 PM (mJ8mX)
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56 Vaping is the only thing that helped my brother quit smoking.
I consider it a miracle.
I will not say what I consider those who are trying to destroy vaping.
Posted by: alexthechick at September 14, 2017 07:44 PM (dEQP3)
Jackass thugs?
I consider it a miracle.
I will not say what I consider those who are trying to destroy vaping.
Posted by: alexthechick at September 14, 2017 07:44 PM (dEQP3)
Jackass thugs?
Posted by: buzzion at September 14, 2017 07:46 PM (z/Ubi)
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Yeah, this is the stupidest thing ever. And, I could be wrong, but I think the movement to outlaw it started right here in Califuckinfornia. Like most really bad ideas.
Posted by: Peaches at September 14, 2017 07:46 PM (EgOr3)
Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at September 14, 2017 07:46 PM (2wRtc)
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60 Nicotine lozenges... they don't know how to demonize those, so they ignore them. Funny, that.
Posted by: kraken at September 14, 2017 07:45 PM (zSVEm)
I started the most recent quit using the lozenge, to break the tobacco portion of things. I still needed something active though, so I started vaping and never looked back.
The lozenge was the best of the smoking cessation aids outside of an e-cig that I tried though.
Posted by: kraken at September 14, 2017 07:45 PM (zSVEm)
I started the most recent quit using the lozenge, to break the tobacco portion of things. I still needed something active though, so I started vaping and never looked back.
The lozenge was the best of the smoking cessation aids outside of an e-cig that I tried though.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 14, 2017 07:47 PM (rb1zT)
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Their current Bullshit claim is that vaping will make children "want to smoke".
Posted by: Hikaru
________
By that logic, tofu burgers will make people want to eat turkey burgers, and you know where that leads.
It leads to 100% beef. And heroin.
Posted by: Hikaru
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By that logic, tofu burgers will make people want to eat turkey burgers, and you know where that leads.
It leads to 100% beef. And heroin.
Posted by: FireHorse at September 14, 2017 07:47 PM (zkGZ8)
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I don't smoke but was around a lot of smoke for most my life. I used to dream about smoking. Sometimes I think smoking would benefit me in the short term, give me more energy and focus, a reason to take breaks with my coworkers and socialize more. I need something..I'm a zombie at work.
Would it be worth it to take up vaping?
Would it be worth it to take up vaping?
Posted by: Jeanne del Norte, con agua fria y sabrosa at September 14, 2017 07:47 PM (B9dAp)
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>>A joint is about 60 times worse for you than a cigarette.
No it's not.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 14, 2017 07:46 PM (/tuJf)
Not even close.
No it's not.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 14, 2017 07:46 PM (/tuJf)
Not even close.
Posted by: Peaches at September 14, 2017 07:47 PM (EgOr3)
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Meremortal - WTF?
Wasn't aware that vaping devices had splodey potential.
Oral IED?
Maybe I'll keep my distance or take cover now when I see them. There's a guy at one shooting match who vapes. Danger!
Wasn't aware that vaping devices had splodey potential.
Oral IED?
Maybe I'll keep my distance or take cover now when I see them. There's a guy at one shooting match who vapes. Danger!
Posted by: Gary Cohn's delicate conscience at September 14, 2017 07:48 PM (0BFUD)
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I have a lot of hang-ups about the whole thing because I have known multiple people who have"transitioned" "vaped" and two have said they did it because of me. And a third who used to try to pressure me to do it too.
Posted by: Hikaru
I have a lot of hang-ups about the whole thing because I have known multiple people who have
Posted by: Hikaru
Posted by: Soothsayer On Ice! at September 14, 2017 07:48 PM (6BbGq)
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I vape two vapes before I vape two vapes
then I vape two more
then I vape two more
Posted by: zombie Marley, decides it's time to quit at September 14, 2017 07:48 PM (HgMAr)
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My first pack was .30. I bought cartons in Germany for 2 bucks, 1.30 for the cheap ones.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at September 14, 2017 07:48 PM (6Ll1u)
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You know who else thought secondhand smoke was dangerous?
Posted by: andycanuck at September 14, 2017 07:48 PM (mJ8mX)
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I need help, don't I?
I need help, don't I?
Posted by: Soothsayer On Ice! at September 14, 2017 07:48 PM (6BbGq)
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What the heck happened to that $250 billion extortion of the tobacco companies? Where did all that money go? It seemed to have just disappeared into the ether.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 14, 2017 07:39 PM (rZ+mb)
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Yes. All fines and penalties should go back to or be funded to help those aggrieved. It should not go into the general fund or into any specific or non-specific governmental body cavity.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 14, 2017 07:39 PM (rZ+mb)
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Yes. All fines and penalties should go back to or be funded to help those aggrieved. It should not go into the general fund or into any specific or non-specific governmental body cavity.
Posted by: gNewt at September 14, 2017 07:48 PM (shMPn)
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So...is vaping more or less unhealthy than smoking pot?
Posted by: Lizzy
Less. Vaping, at least when I was vaping, was vegetable glycerin, nicotine and candy flavoring. That's it. No tars or other chemicals.
Posted by: Lizzy
Less. Vaping, at least when I was vaping, was vegetable glycerin, nicotine and candy flavoring. That's it. No tars or other chemicals.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 14, 2017 07:48 PM (7imgO)
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I think that nicotine does rough up the inside of your arteries making them better for plaque build up.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 14, 2017 07:49 PM (LTHVh)
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Ask and infectious disease doctor about marijuana.
The truth will probably add 10 to 15 years to your life.
The truth will probably add 10 to 15 years to your life.
Posted by: Simplemind at September 14, 2017 07:49 PM (ZuGkg)
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Asshats, Ma'am?
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 14, 2017 07:45 PM (rb1zT)
I would never insult asshats by such a comparison.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 14, 2017 07:45 PM (rb1zT)
I would never insult asshats by such a comparison.
Posted by: alexthechick at September 14, 2017 07:49 PM (dEQP3)
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>>And TPOP beat me to it - at the same time, marijuana is set to become
widely and easily available, and ...... hmm, no panic among "public
health" types. Odd.
Yup. And you can bet that you will not get honest stats about pot.
For example, in Colorado the number of auto accidents deaths that involve pot use greatly increased starting in 2013 (when legalized), but then there's this detail included in the story:
State law does not require coroners to test deceased drivers
specifically for marijuana use in fatal wrecks -- some do and some don't -- and many police agencies say they don't pursue cannabinoid tests of a
surviving driver whose blood alcohol level is already high enough to
charge them with a crime.
They don't want to know if/to what extent pot might be dangerous.
http://www.denverpost.com/2017/08/25/
colorado-marijuana-traffic-fatalities/
widely and easily available, and ...... hmm, no panic among "public
health" types. Odd.
Yup. And you can bet that you will not get honest stats about pot.
For example, in Colorado the number of auto accidents deaths that involve pot use greatly increased starting in 2013 (when legalized), but then there's this detail included in the story:
State law does not require coroners to test deceased drivers
specifically for marijuana use in fatal wrecks -- some do and some don't -- and many police agencies say they don't pursue cannabinoid tests of a
surviving driver whose blood alcohol level is already high enough to
charge them with a crime.
They don't want to know if/to what extent pot might be dangerous.
http://www.denverpost.com/2017/08/25/
colorado-marijuana-traffic-fatalities/
Posted by: Lizzy at September 14, 2017 07:49 PM (W+vEI)
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Vapor should be illegal and anyone convicted of vapor shall have their property seized.
Posted by: J. Sessions at September 14, 2017 07:49 PM (mcI77)
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Okay that puts a twist on my efforts.
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 14, 2017 07:45 PM (LuKE7)
That's the problem with this world. Something is going to get you no matter what you do or don't do.
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 14, 2017 07:45 PM (LuKE7)
That's the problem with this world. Something is going to get you no matter what you do or don't do.
Posted by: Meremortal at September 14, 2017 07:49 PM (3myMJ)
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A joint is about 60 times worse for you than a cigarette.
Posted by: FireHorse
That is oddly specific. By what metric? Also, I'd like to see some peer-reviewed papers on that.
Posted by: FireHorse
That is oddly specific. By what metric? Also, I'd like to see some peer-reviewed papers on that.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 14, 2017 07:49 PM (6FqZa)
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Big Tobacco is not happy about vaping.
They aren't? When they get into it?
All the nicotine and none of the carcinogens. What is not to like?
Well, a lot, for the commiecrats.
They aren't? When they get into it?
All the nicotine and none of the carcinogens. What is not to like?
Well, a lot, for the commiecrats.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 14, 2017 07:50 PM (ujg0T)
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I've been trying to get my mom to vape instead of
smoke but I need to have something that is as easy as pulling a cig from
a pack and flicking a bic.
Any suggestions?
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 14, 2017 07:43 PM (LuKE7)
That's the biggest issue, Jack. I have friends who vaped and then went back to cigs. It's just so much more convenient, lol. If they made it as easy as a cig, I'd probably try it myself. Maybe. Not like I'm gonna live forever anyhow (nor would I want to).
smoke but I need to have something that is as easy as pulling a cig from
a pack and flicking a bic.
Any suggestions?
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 14, 2017 07:43 PM (LuKE7)
That's the biggest issue, Jack. I have friends who vaped and then went back to cigs. It's just so much more convenient, lol. If they made it as easy as a cig, I'd probably try it myself. Maybe. Not like I'm gonna live forever anyhow (nor would I want to).
Posted by: Peaches at September 14, 2017 07:50 PM (EgOr3)
Posted by: FireHorse at September 14, 2017 07:50 PM (zkGZ8)
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It notes a similar Baptist/Bootlegger alliance going on with the effort towards a new Prohibition on vaping.
I'm going to keep this analogy in mind for the future. This explains a lot. The ignorant and the exploitive often make common cause in order to act like totalitarian a-holes.
Public schools: there will be true believers who think that only government can know how to educate a child, arm in arm with unions and government bureaucrats.
Immigration: there will be true believers who will come up with all sorts of false dichotomies and pseudo moral arguments to justify it, arm in arm with the CoC and their congress bitches.
Enviornmentalism: there will be true believers who fall for this horseshit arm in arm with the Al Gores who merely want to make profits off of the emissions regulations that will be imposed, even if they know usage will not go down and costs will be driven up.
I'm going to keep this analogy in mind for the future. This explains a lot. The ignorant and the exploitive often make common cause in order to act like totalitarian a-holes.
Public schools: there will be true believers who think that only government can know how to educate a child, arm in arm with unions and government bureaucrats.
Immigration: there will be true believers who will come up with all sorts of false dichotomies and pseudo moral arguments to justify it, arm in arm with the CoC and their congress bitches.
Enviornmentalism: there will be true believers who fall for this horseshit arm in arm with the Al Gores who merely want to make profits off of the emissions regulations that will be imposed, even if they know usage will not go down and costs will be driven up.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at September 14, 2017 07:50 PM (/qEW2)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 14, 2017 07:50 PM (6FqZa)
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>>A joint is about 60 times worse for you than a cigarette.
No it's not.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 14, 2017 07:46 PM (/tuJf)
Pot smoke is much, much heavier than tobacco smoke. There isn't even a comparison. Further, people who smoke pot actually try to keep it in their lungs, as opposed to cigarette smokers.
You want to meet some real hackers and coughers, check out pot-heads. They are far worse than cigarette chain smokers.
As to carcinogens, pretty much all smoke from burning organic matter is full of them. Are there any particularly insidious ones in tobacco smoke that don't have equivalents in pot smoke? Could be, but doubtful. Of course, no one knows because there's no real research done with pot - which brings up the interesting point that state after state is legalizing pot, and that is the only drug that is being let out into the public with no research, no data, no nothing about it but some stories from stoners and charlatans who tried to sell it as medication in lieu of being able to just get legalized recreationally.
No it's not.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 14, 2017 07:46 PM (/tuJf)
Pot smoke is much, much heavier than tobacco smoke. There isn't even a comparison. Further, people who smoke pot actually try to keep it in their lungs, as opposed to cigarette smokers.
You want to meet some real hackers and coughers, check out pot-heads. They are far worse than cigarette chain smokers.
As to carcinogens, pretty much all smoke from burning organic matter is full of them. Are there any particularly insidious ones in tobacco smoke that don't have equivalents in pot smoke? Could be, but doubtful. Of course, no one knows because there's no real research done with pot - which brings up the interesting point that state after state is legalizing pot, and that is the only drug that is being let out into the public with no research, no data, no nothing about it but some stories from stoners and charlatans who tried to sell it as medication in lieu of being able to just get legalized recreationally.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 14, 2017 07:51 PM (rZ+mb)
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I started the most recent quit using the lozenge, to break the tobacco portion of things. I still needed something active though, so I started vaping and never looked back.
The lozenge was the best of the smoking cessation aids outside of an e-cig that I tried though.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
Cigarette > vape > lozenge > hard candies > total cessation.
Took me about a year.
The lozenge was the best of the smoking cessation aids outside of an e-cig that I tried though.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
Cigarette > vape > lozenge > hard candies > total cessation.
Took me about a year.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 14, 2017 07:51 PM (7imgO)
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andycanuck, but there are stories of a few who smoked around You Know Who anyway - gotta take some brass ones, or confidence, to pull *that* superman's cape.
Similarly, there was one general who just told it like he saw it around Stalin. Didn't trim his sails a bit. Survived through it all, outlived Stalin. Apparently Stalin liked his passion and courage - which would have been quite rare in Stalin's presence by that point. Forget the name. But nobody else followed his lead, ahemm.
Similarly, there was one general who just told it like he saw it around Stalin. Didn't trim his sails a bit. Survived through it all, outlived Stalin. Apparently Stalin liked his passion and courage - which would have been quite rare in Stalin's presence by that point. Forget the name. But nobody else followed his lead, ahemm.
Posted by: Gary Cohn's delicate conscience at September 14, 2017 07:51 PM (0BFUD)
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Someone brought up Muslims so here goes. I live in NJ where a lot of Muslims live and hookah smoking has become all the rage--even among young, white non-Muslims. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting a hookah lounge or a hookah store. They are for sale all over the place--even gas stations. Hookah lounges are thriving--but bars and taverns are not. NJ passed a law in 2006 that banned smoking in bars. Many have closed since, and while some may say that's a good thing---Muslims and hookah lounges are reaping the economic benefits.
And by the way, no one says boo about how dangerous water pipes are.
And by the way, no one says boo about how dangerous water pipes are.
Posted by: JoeF. at September 14, 2017 07:51 PM (7uYFy)
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Oh, hey, Jack Sock . . . if she can afford it (insurance won't touch it), Nicotrol-NS is fabulous. Also, HIGHLY addictive. But, no actual smoke, just a shot of nicotine straight into the bloodstream in the nasal membranes. Super spendy, though. And prescription only.
Posted by: Peaches at September 14, 2017 07:52 PM (EgOr3)
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"at the same time, marijuana is set to become
widely and easily available"
It's been widely and easily available since the late 60's. But it wasn't nearly as strong as today's pot.
widely and easily available"
It's been widely and easily available since the late 60's. But it wasn't nearly as strong as today's pot.
Posted by: Meremortal at September 14, 2017 07:52 PM (3myMJ)
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1. The government is getting huge amounts of taxes from tobacco. Vaping cuts into that.
2. Vaping also cuts into cigarette sales by tobacco companies.
3. Big Pharma was making lots of money from nicotine gum and patches. Sales of those items have cratered since vaping came along.
4. Leftist do-gooders can't stand to see anybody enjoying themselves, and will seek to punish those people one way or another. Vaping *looks* like smoking, so it must be taxed and regulated exactly like smoking.
2. Vaping also cuts into cigarette sales by tobacco companies.
3. Big Pharma was making lots of money from nicotine gum and patches. Sales of those items have cratered since vaping came along.
4. Leftist do-gooders can't stand to see anybody enjoying themselves, and will seek to punish those people one way or another. Vaping *looks* like smoking, so it must be taxed and regulated exactly like smoking.
Posted by: rickl at September 14, 2017 07:53 PM (sdi6R)
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There have been studies, not trumpeted, indicating that nicotine usage is beneficial to dementia patients. The nicotine was administered by patch in the studies.
Cognitive ability improved.
Also, incidences of stomach cancer were apparently less in smokers, and a few other effects.
No, not advocating, rather saying that nicotine could be studied, you know, with that science stuff, to see if there are potential uses for it medically.
Nah, crazy talk.
Cognitive ability improved.
Also, incidences of stomach cancer were apparently less in smokers, and a few other effects.
No, not advocating, rather saying that nicotine could be studied, you know, with that science stuff, to see if there are potential uses for it medically.
Nah, crazy talk.
Posted by: kraken at September 14, 2017 07:53 PM (zSVEm)
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I was priced out of smoking. Which was good because it got me to read Allen Carr and to realize that I'm a nicotine addict, and how to escape the trap.
One year and two weeks not giving money to the Fed and their tobacco cronies.
One year and two weeks not giving money to the Fed and their tobacco cronies.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 14, 2017 07:54 PM (LTHVh)
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I smoked a pipe for 35+ years.
Switched to vape 3 years ago, because my pipe tobacco purveyor p*ssed me off.
Started at 18%, now down to 3%.
Fvck the new Puritans.
Switched to vape 3 years ago, because my pipe tobacco purveyor p*ssed me off.
Started at 18%, now down to 3%.
Fvck the new Puritans.
Posted by: ibguy at September 14, 2017 07:54 PM (vUcdz)
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"Bad for you!" It's their battle cry.
Nutritionists. Prohibitionists. Abortionists. Activists.
They all want to control your life, take away your freedom and then murder you themselves.
That's all.
Nutritionists. Prohibitionists. Abortionists. Activists.
They all want to control your life, take away your freedom and then murder you themselves.
That's all.
Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at September 14, 2017 07:54 PM (2wRtc)
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That is oddly specific. By what metric? Also, I'd like to see some peer-reviewed papers on that.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo
________
Going back a ways. I forget the source, and the details were a bit unrealistic. The specifics that I remember: A marijuana cigarette of the same size as a standard tobacco cigarette (I know, right?) has the same health detriment as 3 packs of tobacco cigs.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo
________
Going back a ways. I forget the source, and the details were a bit unrealistic. The specifics that I remember: A marijuana cigarette of the same size as a standard tobacco cigarette (I know, right?) has the same health detriment as 3 packs of tobacco cigs.
Posted by: FireHorse at September 14, 2017 07:54 PM (zkGZ8)
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So vaping is inhaling vegetable glycerine into your lungs?
Posted by: Ben Had at September 14, 2017 07:54 PM (wDRd5)
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What is with those vaping contraptions that blow up in people's faces or jacket/pants pockets and burn/scar them for life?
Obviously it's a defective device, but is it because of leaks or volatile lithium batteries or WTF? That shit scares the hell out of me like arc flash in failing electrical equipment.
Obviously it's a defective device, but is it because of leaks or volatile lithium batteries or WTF? That shit scares the hell out of me like arc flash in failing electrical equipment.
Posted by: Fritz at September 14, 2017 07:54 PM (D0riW)
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Big Tobacco is not happy about vaping.
They aren't? When they get into it?
All the nicotine and none of the carcinogens. What is not to like?
Well, a lot, for the commiecrats.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 14, 2017 07:50 PM (ujg0T)
Once more, follow the money...
They aren't? When they get into it?
All the nicotine and none of the carcinogens. What is not to like?
Well, a lot, for the commiecrats.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 14, 2017 07:50 PM (ujg0T)
Once more, follow the money...
Posted by: kraken at September 14, 2017 07:55 PM (zSVEm)
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Posted by: Soothsayer On Ice! at September 14, 2017 07:48 PM (6BbGq)
I can see this is going to become a running vendetta for you.
Posted by: Soothsayer On Ice! at September 14, 2017 07:48 PM (6BbGq)
I can see this is going to become a running vendetta for you.
Posted by: Hikaru at September 14, 2017 07:55 PM (Vevy5)
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I am sorry, I am totally against smoking I think its just plain gross but the billion people will die in the next century statistic that is getting repeated a lot in the trailer sounds like the same bull shit they are complaining about from others.
Posted by: Drew in MO at September 14, 2017 07:55 PM (cGlgB)
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Posted by: rickl at September 14, 2017 07:53 PM (sdi6R)
I wrote above that they will move to taxing nicotine eventually. And maybe vape thingies.
I mean hell, they'll tax most anything. Some cities tax you just for working in them.
I wrote above that they will move to taxing nicotine eventually. And maybe vape thingies.
I mean hell, they'll tax most anything. Some cities tax you just for working in them.
Posted by: Meremortal at September 14, 2017 07:56 PM (3myMJ)
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It notes a similar Baptist/Bootlegger alliance going on with the effort towards a new Prohibition on vaping.
I'm going to keep this analogy in mind for the future. This explains a lot. The ignorant and the exploitive often make common cause in order to act like totalitarian a-holes.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at September 14, 2017 07:50 PM (/qEW2)
The Baptist/Bootlegger thing is Southern, but up here it was the Blue Nose/ Mafia. The blue noses had been trying to outlaw liquor since the Irish and German Catholics started making their presence felt and they finally got it--just in time for Al Capone and the boys to reap the profits ....
I'm going to keep this analogy in mind for the future. This explains a lot. The ignorant and the exploitive often make common cause in order to act like totalitarian a-holes.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at September 14, 2017 07:50 PM (/qEW2)
The Baptist/Bootlegger thing is Southern, but up here it was the Blue Nose/ Mafia. The blue noses had been trying to outlaw liquor since the Irish and German Catholics started making their presence felt and they finally got it--just in time for Al Capone and the boys to reap the profits ....
Posted by: JoeF. at September 14, 2017 07:56 PM (7uYFy)
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It'll be 5 years for me in October. I've probably saved about 20 grand. Plus no tax revenue for Deval Patrick or current governor Charlie The Galoot. Don't think that's not a motivator.
Posted by: tu3031 at September 14, 2017 07:56 PM (O5Q3r)
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Pot smoke is much, much heavier than tobacco smoke.
Pot is not your 1970s pot, though. Noone smokes a pack a day of it.
You do two hits, you're high.
It still makes you stupid, but without nearly the lung damage of the old days.
Pot is not your 1970s pot, though. Noone smokes a pack a day of it.
You do two hits, you're high.
It still makes you stupid, but without nearly the lung damage of the old days.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 14, 2017 07:57 PM (gIRsn)
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>>And by the way, no one says boo about how dangerous water pipes are.
Oh, our local news did a story about how hookahs deliver a lot more nicotene than cigarettes (but I forget the details). Seen hookah shops opening up here, too.
Oh, our local news did a story about how hookahs deliver a lot more nicotene than cigarettes (but I forget the details). Seen hookah shops opening up here, too.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 14, 2017 07:57 PM (W+vEI)
Posted by: Soothsayer On Ice! at September 14, 2017 07:57 PM (6BbGq)
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If this is a winning issue for GOP McConnell/Paulie will issue a condemnation.
Posted by: kallisto at September 14, 2017 07:57 PM (7l5V0)
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Death by having your skull shredded and being sucked out of the womb? Good.
Death by smoking? Bad.
Okey doke.
Death by having your skull shredded and being sucked out of the womb? Good.
Death by smoking? Bad.
Okey doke.
Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at September 14, 2017 07:57 PM (2wRtc)
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Some cities tax you just for working in them.
Denver, for instance. My company is located there and divert some percentage of my wages to their "income tax". I do not live in the open-air hobo cesspit that is Denver, and I work in Boulder which is - believe it or not - a totally different city.
Denver, for instance. My company is located there and divert some percentage of my wages to their "income tax". I do not live in the open-air hobo cesspit that is Denver, and I work in Boulder which is - believe it or not - a totally different city.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 14, 2017 07:58 PM (6FqZa)
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>>s to carcinogens, pretty much all smoke from burning organic matter is full of them. Are there any particularly insidious ones in tobacco smoke that don't have equivalents in pot smoke? Could be, but doubtful. Of course, no one knows because there's no real research done with pot - which brings up the interesting point that state after state is legalizing pot, and that is the only drug that is being let out into the public with no research, no data, no nothing about it but some stories from stoners and charlatans who tried to sell it as medication in lieu of being able to just get legalized recreationally.
This is all completely wrong. There has been a lot of peer reviewed research on this topic and it is pretty uncontested that marijuana smoke is not only not carcinogenic in any meaningful way, some studies have actually found it to be beneficial.
Whatever your personal opinions on marijuana the idea that doctors by the scores and state medical boards are not only legalizing its use buy allowing doctors to prescribe it for certain conditions without tons of discussion by both sides and lots and lots of clinical data is absurd. When was the last time you saw a doctor prescribe smoking cigarettes for any type of medical condition?
This is all completely wrong. There has been a lot of peer reviewed research on this topic and it is pretty uncontested that marijuana smoke is not only not carcinogenic in any meaningful way, some studies have actually found it to be beneficial.
Whatever your personal opinions on marijuana the idea that doctors by the scores and state medical boards are not only legalizing its use buy allowing doctors to prescribe it for certain conditions without tons of discussion by both sides and lots and lots of clinical data is absurd. When was the last time you saw a doctor prescribe smoking cigarettes for any type of medical condition?
Posted by: JackStraw at September 14, 2017 07:58 PM (/tuJf)
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taxes.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at September 14, 2017 07:58 PM (wmaTe)
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I mean hell, they'll tax most anything. Some cities tax you just for working in them.
Posted by: Meremortal at September 14, 2017 07:56 PM (3myMJ)
And BarkyCare, via Benedict Roberts, introduced the idea of "taxing" you for not doing something! After that, there really are no limits.
Posted by: Meremortal at September 14, 2017 07:56 PM (3myMJ)
And BarkyCare, via Benedict Roberts, introduced the idea of "taxing" you for not doing something! After that, there really are no limits.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 14, 2017 07:58 PM (rZ+mb)
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Pot is not your 1970s pot, though. Noone smokes a pack a day of it.
You do two hits, you're high.
It still makes you stupid, but without nearly the lung damage of the old days.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 14, 2017 07:57 PM (gIRsn)
I thought I read that today's pot is 20X stronger than the sweet leaf (cough) of the '70's?
You do two hits, you're high.
It still makes you stupid, but without nearly the lung damage of the old days.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 14, 2017 07:57 PM (gIRsn)
I thought I read that today's pot is 20X stronger than the sweet leaf (cough) of the '70's?
Posted by: JoeF. at September 14, 2017 07:58 PM (7uYFy)
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115 Sorry. I was born this way.
Posted by: Soothsayer On Ice! at September 14, 2017 07:57 PM (6BbGq)
Yeah, but I'm not that weak.
Just because I've known shitty leftists in the past doesn't mean I'm going to let other people try to push me into their arms and say I've got no place with the anti-leftists.
Not happening.
Posted by: Soothsayer On Ice! at September 14, 2017 07:57 PM (6BbGq)
Yeah, but I'm not that weak.
Just because I've known shitty leftists in the past doesn't mean I'm going to let other people try to push me into their arms and say I've got no place with the anti-leftists.
Not happening.
Posted by: Hikaru at September 14, 2017 07:59 PM (Vevy5)
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So vaping is inhaling vegetable glycerine into your lungs?
Posted by: Ben Had
Was for me because I was allergic to the other common carrier that is used and produces the huge clouds of vapor.
I broke out in hives using it.
Posted by: Ben Had
Was for me because I was allergic to the other common carrier that is used and produces the huge clouds of vapor.
I broke out in hives using it.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 14, 2017 07:59 PM (7imgO)
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Yeah, gonna stay way clear of the taffy yank about dope's health effects, but obviously there would be some (for regular users) - at least common sense would lean that way.
But I am curious whether the lack of real research is a thing - it's quite believable.
And it's easy to imagine pot having serious health effects, with no public health research or response of any kind. Including a notable uptick in auto accidents/whatever.
It's about control, not health or science. Oh, and money, for the public sector.
But I am curious whether the lack of real research is a thing - it's quite believable.
And it's easy to imagine pot having serious health effects, with no public health research or response of any kind. Including a notable uptick in auto accidents/whatever.
It's about control, not health or science. Oh, and money, for the public sector.
Posted by: Gary Cohn's delicate conscience at September 14, 2017 07:59 PM (0BFUD)
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Another vote for real Swedish Snus.
Not the sugary Camel wannabee snus-get 'em online at Buy Snus dot com.
99% harm reduction vs. smoking, documented by decades of Swedish gov't studies.
First snus/last cigarette-May 2008.
The FDA is jerking Swedish Match around for years on their MRT (modified risk tobacco) application and is lumping American dip (flue cured, BAD) with Swedish (air cured) smokeless.
Another reason to miss the BATF's role here in harm reduction-the FDA (governing tobacco since the 2009 PACT act) is a "gift" from the JEF.
Not the sugary Camel wannabee snus-get 'em online at Buy Snus dot com.
99% harm reduction vs. smoking, documented by decades of Swedish gov't studies.
First snus/last cigarette-May 2008.
The FDA is jerking Swedish Match around for years on their MRT (modified risk tobacco) application and is lumping American dip (flue cured, BAD) with Swedish (air cured) smokeless.
Another reason to miss the BATF's role here in harm reduction-the FDA (governing tobacco since the 2009 PACT act) is a "gift" from the JEF.
Posted by: Clark Westfield at September 14, 2017 07:59 PM (psqYl)
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"Leftist do-gooders can't stand to see anybody enjoying themselves"
Wouldn't it be fun to tax the shit out of abortions and drum circles?
Wouldn't it be fun to tax the shit out of abortions and drum circles?
Posted by: Meremortal at September 14, 2017 07:59 PM (3myMJ)
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Probably already noted, but Phat Ho has fired another missile overflying Japan. Apparently South Korea fired a missile in response.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at September 14, 2017 07:59 PM (398bZ)
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Dear hardcore Trump supporters:
If you're upset about the #DACADeal, I'm happy to loan you my Liberal Tears mug.
Love,
- Rex Huppke (@RexHuppke) September 14, 2017
Dear hardcore Trump supporters:
If you're upset about the #DACADeal, I'm happy to loan you my Liberal Tears mug.
Love,
- Rex Huppke (@RexHuppke) September 14, 2017
Posted by: Under Fire at September 14, 2017 07:59 PM (mcI77)
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Careful with the 0% nicotine, Ace. I've been quit from a 25-year smoking habit for about 3 years now, thanks to vaping...but everytime I went down to 0%, I fell off the wagon for about 2 weeks. (So yeah, I haven't "been quit" officially or 3 years, because of my short wagon-falling-off-ofs, but ya' know...GAINZZZ IS GAINZZZZ!)
I make my own juice (pennies-on-the-dollar, cost-wise, look into it!), and pretty much keep myself at a steady .6-ish or so now, and don't even have the urge for a real one, no matter how drunk I get.
I make my own juice (pennies-on-the-dollar, cost-wise, look into it!), and pretty much keep myself at a steady .6-ish or so now, and don't even have the urge for a real one, no matter how drunk I get.
Posted by: Oedipus at September 14, 2017 08:00 PM (CXLVd)
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Just have to say that the post about vaping from the end of May was what got me to quit smoking after nearly 20 years, and the advice was spot on. Celebrated 3 months last week and don't plan to start up again. Sincere thanks from a lurker.
Posted by: Matt Withers at September 14, 2017 08:00 PM (Q3Cek)
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120
taxes.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at September 14, 2017 07:58 PM (wmaTe)
Exactly . . . you'd think there would be "have a Parlie today" ads in California. lol
taxes.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at September 14, 2017 07:58 PM (wmaTe)
Exactly . . . you'd think there would be "have a Parlie today" ads in California. lol
Posted by: Peaches at September 14, 2017 08:00 PM (EgOr3)
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And I've gone from 1.8% nicotine by volume, to 1.2%, to 0.6%, to mixing 0.6% with 0.3% for a net of about 0.45%. I hope to get down to 0.3% next month, and then, after a few months of that, maybe mixing 0.3% with 0.0% for a net of 0.15%.
I have already altered the nicotine content. Pray I do not alter it further.
I have already altered the nicotine content. Pray I do not alter it further.
Posted by: Darth Vaper at September 14, 2017 08:00 PM (/qEW2)
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OT : Overheard from the office Leftist Women at work today.
"I respect Serial Killers way more than Hunters. At least Serial Killers only kill humans."
"I respect Serial Killers way more than Hunters. At least Serial Killers only kill humans."
Posted by: Hikaru at September 14, 2017 08:00 PM (Vevy5)
Posted by: Soothsayer On Ice! at September 14, 2017 08:01 PM (6BbGq)
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I believe there was a "bar" in Edmonton years ago that catered to recovering alcoholics. They didn't offer alcohol but they offered an atmosphere comfortable to their patrons. And they allowed smoking. Shut down.
Posted by: Northernlurker at September 14, 2017 08:01 PM (0Rmqn)
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JS, did you pick up any d$c tix?
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 14, 2017 08:02 PM (PUmDY)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/7 at September 14, 2017 08:02 PM (Umfx1)
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Pot is not your 1970s pot, though. Noone smokes a pack a day of it.
You do two hits, you're high.
It still makes you stupid, but without nearly the lung damage of the old days.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 14, 2017 07:57 PM (gIRsn)
Sorry, but that is totally incorrect. People smoke pot morning to night - chain smoking. I did it for years (and yes, it was the sort of stuff you guys seem to think is super-duper pot - humbolt indica, Hawaiian sativa, the best varieties from amsterdam). I had lots of friends who all smoked constantly.
Two hits? LOL. No real pot smokers smoke just two hits and call it a day - or even an hour.
You do two hits, you're high.
It still makes you stupid, but without nearly the lung damage of the old days.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 14, 2017 07:57 PM (gIRsn)
Sorry, but that is totally incorrect. People smoke pot morning to night - chain smoking. I did it for years (and yes, it was the sort of stuff you guys seem to think is super-duper pot - humbolt indica, Hawaiian sativa, the best varieties from amsterdam). I had lots of friends who all smoked constantly.
Two hits? LOL. No real pot smokers smoke just two hits and call it a day - or even an hour.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 14, 2017 08:02 PM (rZ+mb)
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Posted by: Peaches at September 14, 2017 07:52 PM (EgOr3)
Thanks for the suggestion. I got her the prescription patches but they are still sitting in the drawer of her house. She's a stubborn broad.
Thanks for the suggestion. I got her the prescription patches but they are still sitting in the drawer of her house. She's a stubborn broad.
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 14, 2017 08:02 PM (LuKE7)
Posted by: Gary Cohn's delicate conscience at September 14, 2017 08:03 PM (0BFUD)
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My neighbor friend got one of those vaporisers that you can load with weed and only heat up to the point of releasing the THC. And supposedly they want to use Magic mushrooms to solve PTSD.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at September 14, 2017 08:03 PM (6Ll1u)
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The Left looks at Everything and ask themselves 2 questions:
1. Can we politicize this to our advantage?
2. Can we use this to control Other?
The Left looks at Everything and ask themselves 2 questions:
1. Can we politicize this to our advantage?
2. Can we use this to control Other?
Posted by: Soothsayer On Ice! at September 14, 2017 08:03 PM (6BbGq)
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134 OT : Overheard from the office Leftist Women at work today.
"I respect Serial Killers way more than Hunters. At least Serial Killers only kill humans."
Posted by: Hikaru at September 14, 2017 08:00 PM (Vevy5)
I wonder if they eat beef or chicken?
"I respect Serial Killers way more than Hunters. At least Serial Killers only kill humans."
Posted by: Hikaru at September 14, 2017 08:00 PM (Vevy5)
I wonder if they eat beef or chicken?
Posted by: Under Fire at September 14, 2017 08:03 PM (mcI77)
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>>And it's easy to imagine pot having serious health effects, with no
public health research or response of any kind. Including a notable
uptick in auto accidents/whatever.
Yeah, in CO they have no interest in any stats/studies that would mess with their pot-related revenue. Particularly as a test case of sorts for other states.
You have to figure out what the issues are indirectly, such as when the local Children's Hospital starts running PSAs on how to identify if your kid has ingested pot and what to do. No stats on this available, but it must be a trend if they feel compelled to teach parents the signs, that sort of thing.
public health research or response of any kind. Including a notable
uptick in auto accidents/whatever.
Yeah, in CO they have no interest in any stats/studies that would mess with their pot-related revenue. Particularly as a test case of sorts for other states.
You have to figure out what the issues are indirectly, such as when the local Children's Hospital starts running PSAs on how to identify if your kid has ingested pot and what to do. No stats on this available, but it must be a trend if they feel compelled to teach parents the signs, that sort of thing.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 14, 2017 08:04 PM (W+vEI)
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1. Can we politicize this to our advantage?
2. Can we use this to control Other?
3. Can we take other's money.
1. Can we politicize this to our advantage?
2. Can we use this to control Other?
3. Can we take other's money.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 14, 2017 08:04 PM (LTHVh)
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134 OT : Overheard from the office Leftist Women at work today.
"I respect Serial Killers way more than Hunters. At least Serial Killers only kill humans."
Posted by: Hikaru at September 14, 2017 08:00 PM (Vevy5)
Ironic that most serial killers grow up torturing animals.
"I respect Serial Killers way more than Hunters. At least Serial Killers only kill humans."
Posted by: Hikaru at September 14, 2017 08:00 PM (Vevy5)
Ironic that most serial killers grow up torturing animals.
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 14, 2017 08:04 PM (LuKE7)
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Jack, the problem with patches is that they neglect the addition to the *process* . . . the nicotrol-ns includes a process, which is why I loved it so. But, I still smoked a bit, and back to the regular half pack a day when I was priced out of it. But, if you are really committed to helping your mom, it might be worth a try.
Posted by: Peaches at September 14, 2017 08:04 PM (EgOr3)
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And the answer to why Republicans are either on board with this or silent, it's because Republican cucks don't do anything until their Democrat masters tell them.
And the answer to why Republicans are either on board with this or silent, it's because Republican cucks don't do anything until their Democrat masters tell them.
Posted by: Soothsayer On Ice! at September 14, 2017 08:04 PM (6BbGq)
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144 I wonder if they eat beef or chicken?
Posted by: Under Fire at September 14, 2017 08:03 PM (mcI77)
The one who said it is one of those types who claims to "want to" go Vegan, but "can't bring [themself]" to do it.
Posted by: Under Fire at September 14, 2017 08:03 PM (mcI77)
The one who said it is one of those types who claims to "want to" go Vegan, but "can't bring [themself]" to do it.
Posted by: Hikaru at September 14, 2017 08:04 PM (Vevy5)
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Smoking/Vaping = "annoyance".
Well you know what else is an "annoyance"?
People who buy a damn dog and leave him to bark his stinking head off all day and all night driving the neighborhood crazy.
Bike lanes.
Paying for a car, the tag, taxes, the registration, the insurance, the license, then paying taxes to have roads built and then having fcuking GA DOT use tax money to widen the road by two lanes then CHARGE A G-Damned TOLL FOR USING IT.
Fcuk your "annoyance".
Well you know what else is an "annoyance"?
People who buy a damn dog and leave him to bark his stinking head off all day and all night driving the neighborhood crazy.
Bike lanes.
Paying for a car, the tag, taxes, the registration, the insurance, the license, then paying taxes to have roads built and then having fcuking GA DOT use tax money to widen the road by two lanes then CHARGE A G-Damned TOLL FOR USING IT.
Fcuk your "annoyance".
Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at September 14, 2017 08:05 PM (2wRtc)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 14, 2017 08:05 PM (LTHVh)
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117
Death by having your skull shredded and being sucked out of the womb? Good.
Death by smoking? Bad.
Okey doke.
Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at September 14, 2017 07:57 PM (2wRtc)
Death penalty for murderers? Bad...
Killing Babies before their born? Good...
White Nationalist? Kill them...
BLM and La Raza? Hell... give em tax dollars...
Smoking tobacco? Horrible...
Vaping Nicotine? Just as bad...
Smoking Pot? Sure... why not...
Need a background check to buy a gun? Sure...
Need any ID to vote??? don't even think about it...
The lefts Hypocrisy is only exceeded by their double standards...
Death by having your skull shredded and being sucked out of the womb? Good.
Death by smoking? Bad.
Okey doke.
Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at September 14, 2017 07:57 PM (2wRtc)
Death penalty for murderers? Bad...
Killing Babies before their born? Good...
White Nationalist? Kill them...
BLM and La Raza? Hell... give em tax dollars...
Smoking tobacco? Horrible...
Vaping Nicotine? Just as bad...
Smoking Pot? Sure... why not...
Need a background check to buy a gun? Sure...
Need any ID to vote??? don't even think about it...
The lefts Hypocrisy is only exceeded by their double standards...
Posted by: Don Q. at September 14, 2017 08:06 PM (NgKpN)
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142 My neighbor friend got one of those vaporisers that you can load with weed and only heat up to the point of releasing the THC. And supposedly they want to use Magic mushrooms to solve PTSD.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at September 14, 2017 08:03 PM (6Ll1u)
Yes. Please go on.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at September 14, 2017 08:03 PM (6Ll1u)
Yes. Please go on.
Posted by: Jeff from DOJ at September 14, 2017 08:06 PM (mcI77)
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Nicotine bad
Pot good
hetero sex bad
homo sex good
profit bad
welfare good
Christianity bad
not christian good
republican war bad
democrat war good
Pot good
hetero sex bad
homo sex good
profit bad
welfare good
Christianity bad
not christian good
republican war bad
democrat war good
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at September 14, 2017 08:06 PM (m9X4Y)
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134 OT : Overheard from the office Leftist Women at work today.
"I respect Serial Killers way more than Hunters. At least Serial Killers only kill humans."
Posted by: Hikaru at September 14, 2017 08:00 PM (Vevy5)
Don't most serial killers seem to get their start by torturing and killing small animals and the neighborhood pets as kids?
"I respect Serial Killers way more than Hunters. At least Serial Killers only kill humans."
Posted by: Hikaru at September 14, 2017 08:00 PM (Vevy5)
Don't most serial killers seem to get their start by torturing and killing small animals and the neighborhood pets as kids?
Posted by: Buzzion at September 14, 2017 08:06 PM (z/Ubi)
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Smoking never bothered me. You knew who the easy girls were from the gals that smoked. If they stuck a cig in their mouth, they were pretty much open to sticking other things in that and other holes.
Live free or die.
Live free or die.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 14, 2017 08:06 PM (5VlCp)
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Fcuk your "annoyance".
Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at September 14, 2017 08:05 PM (2wRtc)
For the win, Mort, for the win. :-)
Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at September 14, 2017 08:05 PM (2wRtc)
For the win, Mort, for the win. :-)
Posted by: Peaches at September 14, 2017 08:06 PM (EgOr3)
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Overheard from the office Leftist Women at work today.
"I respect Serial Killers way more than Hunters. At least Serial Killers only kill humans."
---
Potential Reply:
"So, you'd rather have your Daughter or your Mother be killed, as opposed to your goldfish or the goose near your pond?"
"I respect Serial Killers way more than Hunters. At least Serial Killers only kill humans."
---
Potential Reply:
"So, you'd rather have your Daughter or your Mother be killed, as opposed to your goldfish or the goose near your pond?"
Posted by: shibumi at September 14, 2017 08:07 PM (aT+Bx)
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You know how point at something for your dog to look at and the dummy just stares at You, or stares at your finger?
Dogs lack the brainpower to fathom your drift, so to speak.
I know people like that. I work with people like that.
You know how point at something for your dog to look at and the dummy just stares at You, or stares at your finger?
Dogs lack the brainpower to fathom your drift, so to speak.
I know people like that. I work with people like that.
Posted by: Soothsayer On Ice! at September 14, 2017 08:07 PM (6BbGq)
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Don't most serial killers seem to get their start by torturing and killing small animals and the neighborhood pets as kids?
Posted by: Buzzion at September 14, 2017 08:06 PM (z/Ubi)
That's what I've always read.
Posted by: Buzzion at September 14, 2017 08:06 PM (z/Ubi)
That's what I've always read.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 14, 2017 08:07 PM (Ri/rl)
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156 Don't most serial killers seem to get their start by torturing and killing small animals and the neighborhood pets as kids?
Posted by: Buzzion at September 14, 2017 08:06 PM (z/Ubi)
Would have been nice if somebody told me that at 3:30...
Posted by: Buzzion at September 14, 2017 08:06 PM (z/Ubi)
Would have been nice if somebody told me that at 3:30...
Posted by: Hikaru at September 14, 2017 08:07 PM (Vevy5)
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Don't most serial killers seem to get their start by torturing and killing small animals and the neighborhood pets as kids?
=====
Not hunting with guns!!!!
Don't most serial killers seem to get their start by torturing and killing small animals and the neighborhood pets as kids?
=====
Not hunting with guns!!!!
Posted by: Addlepated twat at September 14, 2017 08:08 PM (ZuGkg)
164
134 OT : Overheard from the office Leftist Women at work today.
"I respect Serial Killers way more than Hunters. At least Serial Killers only kill humans."
Posted by: Hikaru at September 14, 2017 08:00 PM (Vevy5)
..........
Did you ask them to volunteer as targets?
"I respect Serial Killers way more than Hunters. At least Serial Killers only kill humans."
Posted by: Hikaru at September 14, 2017 08:00 PM (Vevy5)
..........
Did you ask them to volunteer as targets?
Posted by: wth at September 14, 2017 08:08 PM (HgMAr)
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Two hits? LOL. No real pot smokers smoke just two hits and call it a day - or even an hour.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 14, 2017 08:02 PM (rZ+mb)
and no one who drinks stops after just 2 beers or drinks either...
/facepalm
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 14, 2017 08:02 PM (rZ+mb)
and no one who drinks stops after just 2 beers or drinks either...
/facepalm
Posted by: Don Q. at September 14, 2017 08:08 PM (NgKpN)
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159 Potential Reply:
"So, you'd rather have your Daughter or your Mother be killed, as opposed to your goldfish or the goose near your pond?"
Posted by: shibumi at September 14, 2017 08:07 PM (aT+Bx)
I can already tell you what her answer would be.
"I can live without my son. I can't live without my kitties."
"So, you'd rather have your Daughter or your Mother be killed, as opposed to your goldfish or the goose near your pond?"
Posted by: shibumi at September 14, 2017 08:07 PM (aT+Bx)
I can already tell you what her answer would be.
"I can live without my son. I can't live without my kitties."
Posted by: Hikaru at September 14, 2017 08:08 PM (Vevy5)
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"Don't most serial killers seem to get their start by torturing and killing small animals and the neighborhood pets as kids?"
Three identified childhood correlates are torturing/killing animals, fire-starting, and a malicious sort of bedwetting.
Three identified childhood correlates are torturing/killing animals, fire-starting, and a malicious sort of bedwetting.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at September 14, 2017 08:09 PM (398bZ)
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>>"I respect Serial Killers way more than Hunters. At least Serial Killers only kill humans."
Shame Jeffrey Dahmer is not available for comment.
Maybe Manson has some thoughts on that distinction?
Shame Jeffrey Dahmer is not available for comment.
Maybe Manson has some thoughts on that distinction?
Posted by: Lizzy at September 14, 2017 08:09 PM (W+vEI)
169
Yeah but freaking dogs get you to do their killing for you.
Posted by: Son of Sam at September 14, 2017 08:09 PM (LuKE7)
170
134 OT : Overheard from the office Leftist Women at work today.
"I respect Serial Killers way more than Hunters. At least Serial Killers only kill humans."
Posted by: Hikaru at September 14, 2017 08:00 PM (Vevy5)
Oh my, I feel sorry for you. I would get all bowed up. Do they wear leather? Vegetarians?
"I respect Serial Killers way more than Hunters. At least Serial Killers only kill humans."
Posted by: Hikaru at September 14, 2017 08:00 PM (Vevy5)
Oh my, I feel sorry for you. I would get all bowed up. Do they wear leather? Vegetarians?
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 14, 2017 08:09 PM (Ri/rl)
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Did they say this while eating a burger or eating chicken?
Did they say this while eating a burger or eating chicken?
Posted by: Soothsayer On Ice! at September 14, 2017 08:10 PM (6BbGq)
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malicious sort of bedwetting.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at September 14, 2017 08:09 PM (398bZ)
I can't believe how long I've been hangin' at the HQ and this is the first I've ever heard of malicious bedwetting. Albeit probably not the last.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at September 14, 2017 08:09 PM (398bZ)
I can't believe how long I've been hangin' at the HQ and this is the first I've ever heard of malicious bedwetting. Albeit probably not the last.
Posted by: Peaches at September 14, 2017 08:10 PM (EgOr3)
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The cat was ... mutilated.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 14, 2017 08:10 PM (LTHVh)
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Quit 2 packs a day years ago. Pipe first, becuse half the time it wasn't lit and then those little cigars to puff on. and then I just had one in my mouth to imitate smoking. The one day I forgot to have one in my mouth. Oh. And I combines thats ith running. That became kind of an addiction but got i in shape. I've considered vaping as a stimulant sometimes.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 14, 2017 08:10 PM (nmr2M)
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4
Because the Cigarette Lobby is powerful in both parties.
Posted by: Soothsayer On Ice! at September 14, 2017 07:28 PM (6BbGq)
Yep. It's difficult not to see the anti-vapers as patsies for tobacco companies.
Because the Cigarette Lobby is powerful in both parties.
Posted by: Soothsayer On Ice! at September 14, 2017 07:28 PM (6BbGq)
Yep. It's difficult not to see the anti-vapers as patsies for tobacco companies.
Posted by: Ace's liver at September 14, 2017 08:10 PM (+azJs)
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mmmmm. Humans.
Posted by: pygmy cannibals wit de kuru at September 14, 2017 08:10 PM (HgMAr)
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Eggs are halal to the left.
Posted by: Grump928(C)
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Ah, the spectrum of -tarians. Vegans, vegetarians, piscatarians, ovotarians -- I know, I'm seeing the red squiggle under the words, meaning they're not really words -- but they come up with these terms which mean "I don't eat meat, but I do eat ."
Posted by: Grump928(C)
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Ah, the spectrum of -tarians. Vegans, vegetarians, piscatarians, ovotarians -- I know, I'm seeing the red squiggle under the words, meaning they're not really words -- but they come up with these terms which mean "I don't eat meat, but I do eat ."
Posted by: FireHorse at September 14, 2017 08:10 PM (zkGZ8)
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134 OT : Overheard from the office Leftist Women at work today.
"I respect Serial Killers way more than Hunters. At least Serial Killers only kill humans."
Posted by: Hikaru at September 14, 2017 08:00 PM (Vevy5)
Oh my, I feel sorry for you. I would get all bowed up. Do they wear leather? Vegetarians?
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 14, 2017 08:09 PM (Ri/rl)
Eh, they were just preening for each other.... too brainless to hear themselves...
"I respect Serial Killers way more than Hunters. At least Serial Killers only kill humans."
Posted by: Hikaru at September 14, 2017 08:00 PM (Vevy5)
Oh my, I feel sorry for you. I would get all bowed up. Do they wear leather? Vegetarians?
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 14, 2017 08:09 PM (Ri/rl)
Eh, they were just preening for each other.... too brainless to hear themselves...
Posted by: kraken at September 14, 2017 08:11 PM (zSVEm)
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170 Oh my, I feel sorry for you. I would get all bowed up. Do they wear leather? Vegetarians?
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 14, 2017 08:09 PM (Ri/rl)
Despite only being in her mid 40s, she's already a Crazy Cat Lady. And from what I can tell, she resents her son for being male.
Unfortunately, she's a Supervisor, so I can't say anything to her.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 14, 2017 08:09 PM (Ri/rl)
Despite only being in her mid 40s, she's already a Crazy Cat Lady. And from what I can tell, she resents her son for being male.
Unfortunately, she's a Supervisor, so I can't say anything to her.
Posted by: Hikaru at September 14, 2017 08:11 PM (Vevy5)
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>> The Progressive Puritans want it illegal because it "looks like smoking"
That's pretty much it. Progressives feel like they're your mom, and they told you to stop touching your brother (smoking). As far as their concerned, vaping is poking your finger an inch from your brother and saying, "what, I'm not touching him."
That's pretty much it. Progressives feel like they're your mom, and they told you to stop touching your brother (smoking). As far as their concerned, vaping is poking your finger an inch from your brother and saying, "what, I'm not touching him."
Posted by: Cave Johnson at September 14, 2017 08:11 PM (x/Lj2)
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Two hits? LOL. No real pot smokers smoke just two hits and call it a day - or even an hour.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 14, 2017 08:02 PM (rZ+mb)
Yup....the real pot heads I have known would smoke all day and any chance they got. They scheduled things like work breaks, shopping, sex and other things around getting high. Getting high is what they did-everything else was second.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 14, 2017 08:02 PM (rZ+mb)
Yup....the real pot heads I have known would smoke all day and any chance they got. They scheduled things like work breaks, shopping, sex and other things around getting high. Getting high is what they did-everything else was second.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 14, 2017 08:11 PM (5VlCp)
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Three identified childhood correlates are torturing/killing animals, fire-starting, and a malicious sort of bedwetting.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at September 14, 2017 08:09 PM (398bZ)
I didn't know about the fires or bed wetting.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at September 14, 2017 08:09 PM (398bZ)
I didn't know about the fires or bed wetting.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 14, 2017 08:11 PM (Ri/rl)
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Did they say this while eating a burger or eating chicken?
Posted by: Soothsayer On Ice! at September 14, 2017 08:10 PM (6BbGq)
She's one of those "I know I should really go vegan, BUT..." types.
Did they say this while eating a burger or eating chicken?
Posted by: Soothsayer On Ice! at September 14, 2017 08:10 PM (6BbGq)
She's one of those "I know I should really go vegan, BUT..." types.
Posted by: Hikaru at September 14, 2017 08:12 PM (Vevy5)
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"I can live without my son. I can't live without my kitties."
--
I rarely say this... but your co-worker is a worthless POS.
As for co-workers, one who is getting married (male, for his girlfriends health insurance) told me that he'd like to lure a bunch of young children over to him using fluffy white kittens. Then they'd smash the heads of the fluffy white kittens in as brutally as possible, just so he could traumatize the children for life.
/he wasn't joking.
--
I rarely say this... but your co-worker is a worthless POS.
As for co-workers, one who is getting married (male, for his girlfriends health insurance) told me that he'd like to lure a bunch of young children over to him using fluffy white kittens. Then they'd smash the heads of the fluffy white kittens in as brutally as possible, just so he could traumatize the children for life.
/he wasn't joking.
Posted by: shibumi at September 14, 2017 08:12 PM (aT+Bx)
Posted by: Soothsayer On Ice! at September 14, 2017 08:12 PM (6BbGq)
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179 170 Oh my, I feel sorry for you. I would get all bowed up. Do they wear leather? Vegetarians?
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 14, 2017 08:09 PM (Ri/rl)
Despite only being in her mid 40s, she's already a Crazy Cat Lady. And from what I can tell, she resents her son for being male.
Unfortunately, she's a Supervisor, so I can't say anything to her.
Posted by: Hikaru at September 14, 2017 08:11 PM (Vevy5)
I recall someone sending a letter in to "Dear Abby" that said she'd swerve to miss a dog and hit a person, because the person would get medical care.
These sorts of people will not be allowed in my survival bunker.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 14, 2017 08:09 PM (Ri/rl)
Despite only being in her mid 40s, she's already a Crazy Cat Lady. And from what I can tell, she resents her son for being male.
Unfortunately, she's a Supervisor, so I can't say anything to her.
Posted by: Hikaru at September 14, 2017 08:11 PM (Vevy5)
I recall someone sending a letter in to "Dear Abby" that said she'd swerve to miss a dog and hit a person, because the person would get medical care.
These sorts of people will not be allowed in my survival bunker.
Posted by: Ace's liver at September 14, 2017 08:13 PM (+azJs)
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Yup....the real pot heads I have known would smoke
all day and any chance they got. They scheduled things like work breaks,
shopping, sex and other things around getting high. Getting high is
what they did-everything else was second.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 14, 2017 08:11 PM (5VlCp)
Nah, most real pot heads, back in the day, were like Willie Nelson who famously said "I don't smoke to get high, I smoke to get normal." But, that was dirtweed. Nobody can smoke this stuff they got now all day. At least, I can't. I'm basically a 2-hitter before bed and not even every day, now.
all day and any chance they got. They scheduled things like work breaks,
shopping, sex and other things around getting high. Getting high is
what they did-everything else was second.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 14, 2017 08:11 PM (5VlCp)
Nah, most real pot heads, back in the day, were like Willie Nelson who famously said "I don't smoke to get high, I smoke to get normal." But, that was dirtweed. Nobody can smoke this stuff they got now all day. At least, I can't. I'm basically a 2-hitter before bed and not even every day, now.
Posted by: Peaches at September 14, 2017 08:13 PM (EgOr3)
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Go into a Starbucks sometime, and be a fly on the wall and overhear some conversations. These Progs are all about " I'm more woke than you..." with a Hipster garnish...
Posted by: kraken at September 14, 2017 08:13 PM (zSVEm)
Posted by: Simplemind at September 14, 2017 08:14 PM (ZuGkg)
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I rarely say this... but your co-worker is a worthless POS.
Ha! Um, no, you're usually quite blunt.
I rarely say this... but your co-worker is a worthless POS.
Ha! Um, no, you're usually quite blunt.
Posted by: Soothsayer On Ice! at September 14, 2017 08:14 PM (6BbGq)
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Smoking has become a part of my job. I know how long it takes me to smoke a cigarette and that is an air up/ break time for my horse. It has kept me from fidgeting and just leaving them alone, which they need. It also gives me something to bite on when a customer is being particularly obtuse.
Posted by: Ben Had at September 14, 2017 08:14 PM (wDRd5)
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That's messed up, shibumi.
Posted by: FireHorse at September 14, 2017 08:14 PM (zkGZ8)
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So the latest pseudo celebrity insanity is Anthony Bourdain says he would poison Trump if he ever cooked for him.
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 14, 2017 08:14 PM (LuKE7)
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Doddering ingenue, bares all, for the chance of one more lap-dance around the star-track.
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/275590/
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/275590/
Posted by: geoffb5 at September 14, 2017 08:14 PM (zOpu5)
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/he wasn't joking.
Posted by: shibumi at September 14, 2017 08:12 PM (aT+Bx)
Holy crap, shibumi! I hope you are looking for another job. Somebody should actually kill that guy.
Posted by: shibumi at September 14, 2017 08:12 PM (aT+Bx)
Holy crap, shibumi! I hope you are looking for another job. Somebody should actually kill that guy.
Posted by: Peaches at September 14, 2017 08:14 PM (EgOr3)
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184: I look forward to hearing about your co-worker on Forensic Files some day.
Posted by: Puddleglum at September 14, 2017 08:14 PM (UfRw8)
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184 "I can live without my son. I can't live without my kitties."
--
I rarely say this... but your co-worker is a worthless POS.
As for co-workers, one who is getting married (male, for his girlfriends health insurance) told me that he'd like to lure a bunch of young children over to him using fluffy white kittens. Then they'd smash the heads of the fluffy white kittens in as brutally as possible, just so he could traumatize the children for life.
/he wasn't joking.
Posted by: shibumi at September 14, 2017 08:12 PM (aT+Bx)
The thing that really gets to me anymore is how Narcissistic, Nihilistic, and Vengeful everybody seems to be.
--
I rarely say this... but your co-worker is a worthless POS.
As for co-workers, one who is getting married (male, for his girlfriends health insurance) told me that he'd like to lure a bunch of young children over to him using fluffy white kittens. Then they'd smash the heads of the fluffy white kittens in as brutally as possible, just so he could traumatize the children for life.
/he wasn't joking.
Posted by: shibumi at September 14, 2017 08:12 PM (aT+Bx)
The thing that really gets to me anymore is how Narcissistic, Nihilistic, and Vengeful everybody seems to be.
Posted by: Hikaru at September 14, 2017 08:15 PM (Vevy5)
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She's one of those "I know I should really go vegan, BUT..." types.
Posted by: Hikaru at September 14, 2017 08:12 PM (Vevy5)
In other words, she feels guilty herself, and projects her guilt onto others.
She's one of those "I know I should really go vegan, BUT..." types.
Posted by: Hikaru at September 14, 2017 08:12 PM (Vevy5)
In other words, she feels guilty herself, and projects her guilt onto others.
Posted by: rickl at September 14, 2017 08:15 PM (sdi6R)
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told me that he'd like to lure a bunch of young children over to him using fluffy white kittens.
Did you point out how much of a pussy he sounded like?
What he said wasn't horrifying, as he intended; it was dinkish.
told me that he'd like to lure a bunch of young children over to him using fluffy white kittens.
Did you point out how much of a pussy he sounded like?
What he said wasn't horrifying, as he intended; it was dinkish.
Posted by: Soothsayer On Ice! at September 14, 2017 08:15 PM (6BbGq)
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Despite only being in her mid 40s, she's already a Crazy Cat Lady. And from what I can tell, she resents her son for being male.
Unfortunately, she's a Supervisor, so I can't say anything to her.
Posted by: Hikaru at September 14, 2017 08:11 PM (Vevy5)
I'm so sorry. I would lose my mind if someone said that. I guarantee you if a mountain lion had her cat she'd personally shoot it. I feel bad for her son.
I don't want to go shoot a lion personally but I have no problem with hunting or trophy hunting.
Unfortunately, she's a Supervisor, so I can't say anything to her.
Posted by: Hikaru at September 14, 2017 08:11 PM (Vevy5)
I'm so sorry. I would lose my mind if someone said that. I guarantee you if a mountain lion had her cat she'd personally shoot it. I feel bad for her son.
I don't want to go shoot a lion personally but I have no problem with hunting or trophy hunting.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 14, 2017 08:16 PM (Ri/rl)
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Hey Peaches!
Are you packing up? Can't wait to hear the stories from when Peaches cannonballs into the Indy pool!
You know what's awesome?
Once you leave Cali, and reach the remnant of Free America, you won't have to go through Checkpoint Charlie every time you enter your own state!
Are you packing up? Can't wait to hear the stories from when Peaches cannonballs into the Indy pool!
You know what's awesome?
Once you leave Cali, and reach the remnant of Free America, you won't have to go through Checkpoint Charlie every time you enter your own state!
Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at September 14, 2017 08:16 PM (2wRtc)
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>>>I think its just plain gross but the billion people will die in the next century statistic that is getting repeated a lot in the trailer sounds like the same bull shit they are complaining about from others.
Yeah, but it's kind of like turnabout is fair play.
Yeah, but it's kind of like turnabout is fair play.
Posted by: Max Power at September 14, 2017 08:16 PM (q177U)
Posted by: Soothsayer On Ice! at September 14, 2017 08:16 PM (6BbGq)
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that which is not mandatory will be prohibited, both for your own good, whether you like it or not, zek.
Posted by: redc1c4 at September 14, 2017 08:16 PM (ZMdl6)
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197 184 "I can live without my son. I can't live without my kitties."
--
I rarely say this... but your co-worker is a worthless POS.
As for co-workers, one who is getting married (male, for his girlfriends health insurance) told me that he'd like to lure a bunch of young children over to him using fluffy white kittens. Then they'd smash the heads of the fluffy white kittens in as brutally as possible, just so he could traumatize the children for life.
/he wasn't joking.
Posted by: shibumi at September 14, 2017 08:12 PM (aT+Bx)
The thing that really gets to me anymore is how Narcissistic, Nihilistic, and Vengeful everybody seems to be.
Posted by: Hikaru at September 14, 2017 08:15 PM (Vevy5)
Nihilists are nothing to be afraid of.
--
I rarely say this... but your co-worker is a worthless POS.
As for co-workers, one who is getting married (male, for his girlfriends health insurance) told me that he'd like to lure a bunch of young children over to him using fluffy white kittens. Then they'd smash the heads of the fluffy white kittens in as brutally as possible, just so he could traumatize the children for life.
/he wasn't joking.
Posted by: shibumi at September 14, 2017 08:12 PM (aT+Bx)
The thing that really gets to me anymore is how Narcissistic, Nihilistic, and Vengeful everybody seems to be.
Posted by: Hikaru at September 14, 2017 08:15 PM (Vevy5)
Nihilists are nothing to be afraid of.
Posted by: Walter Sobchak at September 14, 2017 08:17 PM (+azJs)
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Despite only being in her mid 40s, she's already a Crazy Cat Lady.
And from what I can tell, she resents her son for being male.
Ah...a Subaru driver.
And from what I can tell, she resents her son for being male.
Ah...a Subaru driver.
Posted by: tu3031 at September 14, 2017 08:17 PM (O5Q3r)
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nood
nood
Posted by: Soothsayer On Ice! at September 14, 2017 08:17 PM (6BbGq)
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So the latest pseudo celebrity insanity is Anthony Bourdain says he would poison Trump if he ever cooked for him.
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 14, 2017 08:14 PM (LuKE7)
Death threat. No different than saying if I run into you, I will kill you.
Of course, this is okay cause Trump... right?
So the latest pseudo celebrity insanity is Anthony Bourdain says he would poison Trump if he ever cooked for him.
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 14, 2017 08:14 PM (LuKE7)
Death threat. No different than saying if I run into you, I will kill you.
Of course, this is okay cause Trump... right?
Posted by: kraken at September 14, 2017 08:17 PM (zSVEm)
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From the article linked at Insty:
"The Food and Drug Administration has forbidden e-cigarette firms from mentioning any health advantages over cigarettes, and it adopted rules to outlaw virtually all existing vaping devices next year."
The impeding vapocalypse set for next year was pushed back to 2022, so there is some minute possibility that sanity will prevail.
Also, I'm one of the 0.0% nicotine vapers as of a few months ago. I've got a crap ton of PG, VG, wire, cotton, and little vials of flavor concentrate so I'll just keep puffing away for a while longer. I generally leave the ecig at home while at work these days which, in one way, is bad as I no longer get up and walk around every hour.
"The Food and Drug Administration has forbidden e-cigarette firms from mentioning any health advantages over cigarettes, and it adopted rules to outlaw virtually all existing vaping devices next year."
The impeding vapocalypse set for next year was pushed back to 2022, so there is some minute possibility that sanity will prevail.
Also, I'm one of the 0.0% nicotine vapers as of a few months ago. I've got a crap ton of PG, VG, wire, cotton, and little vials of flavor concentrate so I'll just keep puffing away for a while longer. I generally leave the ecig at home while at work these days which, in one way, is bad as I no longer get up and walk around every hour.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at September 14, 2017 08:18 PM (5sQ8t)
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206 Despite only being in her mid 40s, she's already a Crazy Cat Lady.
And from what I can tell, she resents her son for being male.
Ah...a Subaru driver.
Posted by: tu3031 at September 14, 2017 08:17 PM (O5Q3r)
Probably not, if she has a son.
And from what I can tell, she resents her son for being male.
Ah...a Subaru driver.
Posted by: tu3031 at September 14, 2017 08:17 PM (O5Q3r)
Probably not, if she has a son.
Posted by: Ace's liver at September 14, 2017 08:18 PM (+azJs)
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200 Despite only being in her mid 40s, she's already a Crazy Cat Lady. And from what I can tell, she resents her son for being male.
Unfortunately, she's a Supervisor, so I can't say anything to her.
Posted by: Hikaru at September 14, 2017 08:11 PM (Vevy5)
I'm so sorry. I would lose my mind if someone said that. I guarantee you if a mountain lion had her cat she'd personally shoot it. I feel bad for her son.
I don't want to go shoot a lion personally but I have no problem with hunting or trophy hunting.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 14, 2017 08:16 PM (Ri/rl)
You should have seen the squealing, self-congratulatory, glee-fest they had when one of them announced their nephew decided to be a Tranny.
Unfortunately, she's a Supervisor, so I can't say anything to her.
Posted by: Hikaru at September 14, 2017 08:11 PM (Vevy5)
I'm so sorry. I would lose my mind if someone said that. I guarantee you if a mountain lion had her cat she'd personally shoot it. I feel bad for her son.
I don't want to go shoot a lion personally but I have no problem with hunting or trophy hunting.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 14, 2017 08:16 PM (Ri/rl)
You should have seen the squealing, self-congratulatory, glee-fest they had when one of them announced their nephew decided to be a Tranny.
Posted by: Hikaru at September 14, 2017 08:18 PM (Vevy5)
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You know what's awesome?
Once you leave Cali,
and reach the remnant of Free America, you won't have to go through
Checkpoint Charlie every time you enter your own state!
Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at September 14, 2017 08:16 PM (2wRtc)
Heh, I haven't left CA in years. But my mechanic (who I will miss so much) and his wife took a road trip to Niagara Falls this summer. 7800 miles all told. Everyone was super nice and friendly and wonderful. The second they crossed the CA state line coming home, it was all "fuck you" and flipping them off and honking. This state really is teh suck. 3 weeks from today, I will be motoring east. And NO fun in the pond, HOA rules. Which is fine with me.
Once you leave Cali,
and reach the remnant of Free America, you won't have to go through
Checkpoint Charlie every time you enter your own state!
Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at September 14, 2017 08:16 PM (2wRtc)
Heh, I haven't left CA in years. But my mechanic (who I will miss so much) and his wife took a road trip to Niagara Falls this summer. 7800 miles all told. Everyone was super nice and friendly and wonderful. The second they crossed the CA state line coming home, it was all "fuck you" and flipping them off and honking. This state really is teh suck. 3 weeks from today, I will be motoring east. And NO fun in the pond, HOA rules. Which is fine with me.
Posted by: Peaches at September 14, 2017 08:18 PM (EgOr3)
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Yup....the real pot heads I have known would smoke all day and any chance they got.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy
________
Pot isn't a drug. At least that's what a former coworker told me. Had all his facts, and he could recite them convincingly. Then he'd take the truck out for a delivery and come back, smelling like pot smoke, to turn in the paperwork.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy
________
Pot isn't a drug. At least that's what a former coworker told me. Had all his facts, and he could recite them convincingly. Then he'd take the truck out for a delivery and come back, smelling like pot smoke, to turn in the paperwork.
Posted by: FireHorse at September 14, 2017 08:18 PM (zkGZ8)
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208 193
So the latest pseudo celebrity insanity is Anthony Bourdain says he would poison Trump if he ever cooked for him.
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 14, 2017 08:14 PM (LuKE7)
Death threat. No different than saying if I run into you, I will kill you.
Of course, this is okay cause Trump... right?
Posted by: kraken at September 14, 2017 08:17 PM (zSVEm)
I haven't understood this since W. Why is it the Secret Service seems hunky dory with threats against Republican presidents?
So the latest pseudo celebrity insanity is Anthony Bourdain says he would poison Trump if he ever cooked for him.
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 14, 2017 08:14 PM (LuKE7)
Death threat. No different than saying if I run into you, I will kill you.
Of course, this is okay cause Trump... right?
Posted by: kraken at September 14, 2017 08:17 PM (zSVEm)
I haven't understood this since W. Why is it the Secret Service seems hunky dory with threats against Republican presidents?
Posted by: Ace's liver at September 14, 2017 08:19 PM (+azJs)
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For me, personally, I quit cold turkey, but started vaping when I complained about a loss of mental focus to a doctor. The doctor said, "Well, as a doctor, I can't recommend vaping exactly, but you might try it."
I quit before vapping came out and my doctor definitely recommended using nicotine gum or lozenges or the patch to help me quit since I was a heavy smoker.
Why is nicotine gum OK for doctors to recommend, but vapping isn't?
My sister and brother both vapped. My brother eventually gave it up, my sister still does it after meals, but both agreed it helped them like nothing else had. I'm positive I would have done the vapping thing if I had had the chance.
One of things you miss most about smoking is the lighting up and inhaling after a tough day. There's something satisfying about exhaling and blowing smoke that just isn't satisfied by gum chewing or candy or pretending cinnamon sticks or pencils are cigarettes.
I quit before vapping came out and my doctor definitely recommended using nicotine gum or lozenges or the patch to help me quit since I was a heavy smoker.
Why is nicotine gum OK for doctors to recommend, but vapping isn't?
My sister and brother both vapped. My brother eventually gave it up, my sister still does it after meals, but both agreed it helped them like nothing else had. I'm positive I would have done the vapping thing if I had had the chance.
One of things you miss most about smoking is the lighting up and inhaling after a tough day. There's something satisfying about exhaling and blowing smoke that just isn't satisfied by gum chewing or candy or pretending cinnamon sticks or pencils are cigarettes.
Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V sez: beat the Marlins, Crew! at September 14, 2017 08:21 PM (P8951)
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Is Big Tobacco really behind this? I thought they were buying into the vape market to cut out their own share. Regardless, if vaping IS ever outlawed, nearly every single vaper will be so pissed that they'll cut their own lips off before EVER buying tobacco again, whether the tobacco industry is behind it or not. I know of no one who both vapes and smokes with any regularity.
So who does this serve, since outlawing vaping isn't any kind of win for RJR, et al. Who wins? Statists who don't care one way or the other about vaping but just want one more degree of incremental control. THAT'S why this battle has to be fought, else vaping goes the way of incandescent bulbs. They want to tell you how to live your life JUST BECAUSE IT'S IN THEIR POWER TO MAKE YOU OBEY.
So who does this serve, since outlawing vaping isn't any kind of win for RJR, et al. Who wins? Statists who don't care one way or the other about vaping but just want one more degree of incremental control. THAT'S why this battle has to be fought, else vaping goes the way of incandescent bulbs. They want to tell you how to live your life JUST BECAUSE IT'S IN THEIR POWER TO MAKE YOU OBEY.
Posted by: doomed, and angry at September 14, 2017 08:22 PM (UW4Uc)
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IT'S IN THEIR POWER TO MAKE YOU OBEY.
Posted by: doomed, and angry at September 14, 2017 08:22 PM (UW4Uc)
Not me. Shit, they'll probably be so happy when I die, it'll be a state funeral. And I still find regular light bulbs. And, I did a search . . . the State of Indiana, last year, enacted a law saying they could NEVER ban plastic bags. I got a tingle, I really did.
Posted by: doomed, and angry at September 14, 2017 08:22 PM (UW4Uc)
Not me. Shit, they'll probably be so happy when I die, it'll be a state funeral. And I still find regular light bulbs. And, I did a search . . . the State of Indiana, last year, enacted a law saying they could NEVER ban plastic bags. I got a tingle, I really did.
Posted by: Peaches at September 14, 2017 08:24 PM (EgOr3)
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/he wasn't joking.
Posted by: shibumi at September 14, 2017 08:12 PM (aT+Bx)
Holy crap, shibumi! I hope you are looking for another job. Somebody should actually kill that guy.
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Yep. I have three more days of work left.
Co-worker is a useless long haired 43 year old SJW male libtard who feels guilty about being a white male. He worships Neil DeGrasse Tyson and hates organized religion. Not ROP; brought up Baptist. Hates cats.
Once he gets married, he'll stay home, play Xbox, masturbate and his wife will support him.
Posted by: shibumi at September 14, 2017 08:12 PM (aT+Bx)
Holy crap, shibumi! I hope you are looking for another job. Somebody should actually kill that guy.
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Yep. I have three more days of work left.
Co-worker is a useless long haired 43 year old SJW male libtard who feels guilty about being a white male. He worships Neil DeGrasse Tyson and hates organized religion. Not ROP; brought up Baptist. Hates cats.
Once he gets married, he'll stay home, play Xbox, masturbate and his wife will support him.
Posted by: shibumi at September 14, 2017 08:26 PM (aT+Bx)
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I may be vapid, but at least I never vaped.
Posted by: Joe Biden at September 14, 2017 08:27 PM (/qEW2)
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told me that he'd like to lure a bunch of young children over to him using fluffy white kittens.
Yeah, me too.
Yeah, me too.
Posted by: Tim Caine in his perv van at September 14, 2017 08:28 PM (mcI77)
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Once he gets married, he'll stay home, play Xbox, masturbate and his wife will support him.
Posted by: shibumi at September 14, 2017 08:26 PM (aT+Bx)
Um, wait. Is this... bad?
Posted by: shibumi at September 14, 2017 08:26 PM (aT+Bx)
Um, wait. Is this... bad?
Posted by: Ace's liver at September 14, 2017 08:28 PM (+azJs)
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You should have seen the squealing, self-congratulatory, glee-fest they had when one of them announced their nephew decided to be a Tranny.
Posted by: Hikaru at September 14, 2017 08:18 PM (Vevy5)
They are insane. If my child wanted to be a transsexual or gay, I would still love them but no mother wants their child to be different or suffer. Life is difficult enough.
Posted by: Hikaru at September 14, 2017 08:18 PM (Vevy5)
They are insane. If my child wanted to be a transsexual or gay, I would still love them but no mother wants their child to be different or suffer. Life is difficult enough.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 14, 2017 08:28 PM (Ri/rl)
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Once he gets married, he'll stay home, play Xbox, masturbate and his wife will support him.
Posted by: shibumi at September 14, 2017 08:26 PM (aT+Bx)
I'd respect her if she killed him and got away with it. Glad you are almost out of that quagmire. Jeez. I couldn't even believe it.
Posted by: shibumi at September 14, 2017 08:26 PM (aT+Bx)
I'd respect her if she killed him and got away with it. Glad you are almost out of that quagmire. Jeez. I couldn't even believe it.
Posted by: Peaches at September 14, 2017 08:29 PM (EgOr3)
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Now that we have an open thread, I can link the video compilation SpaceX released today featuring their early landing attempts. A blooper reel, if you will.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvim4rsNHkQ
A lot of us have been looking forward to this for quite awhile. There have been bits and pieces, but now they're available for the first time in glorious HD.
I guess that now that they've had 16 successful landings including 12 in a row, they feel confident enough to show the world the steps it took to get there.
This is in the Top 10 trending videos on YouTube. When I saw it early this morning it had 99,000 views. It is now approaching 1,000,000 in a little over 12 hours.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvim4rsNHkQ
A lot of us have been looking forward to this for quite awhile. There have been bits and pieces, but now they're available for the first time in glorious HD.
I guess that now that they've had 16 successful landings including 12 in a row, they feel confident enough to show the world the steps it took to get there.
This is in the Top 10 trending videos on YouTube. When I saw it early this morning it had 99,000 views. It is now approaching 1,000,000 in a little over 12 hours.
Posted by: rickl at September 14, 2017 08:29 PM (sdi6R)
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/he wasn't joking.
Posted by: shibumi at September 14, 2017 08:12 PM (aT+Bx)
I want to shoot your co worker with my pellet gun, just to traumatize him. Or have his ass beat.
Posted by: shibumi at September 14, 2017 08:12 PM (aT+Bx)
I want to shoot your co worker with my pellet gun, just to traumatize him. Or have his ass beat.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 14, 2017 08:31 PM (Ri/rl)
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So this is kind of funny... I've heard whispers at the law school (!) I'm in that there should be a smoking lounge now that weed is legal in MA.
No, not cigarette smoking lounge, but a weed smoking lounge.
We cigarette smokers are still expected to huddle on a street corner in the pouring rain.
No, not cigarette smoking lounge, but a weed smoking lounge.
We cigarette smokers are still expected to huddle on a street corner in the pouring rain.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at September 14, 2017 08:33 PM (wmaTe)
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216 Is Big Tobacco really behind this?
Posted by: doomed, and angry at September 14, 2017 08:22 PM (UW4Uc)
Don't forget Big Pharma. They were making tons of money with nicotine gum and patches. Sales of those items have cratered since vaping came along.
Both Big Tobacco and Big Pharma give Big Donations to Big Politicians.
Posted by: doomed, and angry at September 14, 2017 08:22 PM (UW4Uc)
Don't forget Big Pharma. They were making tons of money with nicotine gum and patches. Sales of those items have cratered since vaping came along.
Both Big Tobacco and Big Pharma give Big Donations to Big Politicians.
Posted by: rickl at September 14, 2017 08:35 PM (sdi6R)
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"Big Pharma"
Now there's the angle I hadn't considered but Big Tobacco loses out no matter what. Smokers will not come back. Maybe in a generation or two, but not ex's.
The tiny, dank conspiratorial side of my mind (okay, not so tiny) believes the medical establishment as a whole is behind it, for much the same reason they continue to push Synthroid for all cases of hypothyroid and downplay/ignore natural dessicated thyroid, which works far better because I'm on it.
/tinfoil cocked to one side, but not entirely off
Now there's the angle I hadn't considered but Big Tobacco loses out no matter what. Smokers will not come back. Maybe in a generation or two, but not ex's.
The tiny, dank conspiratorial side of my mind (okay, not so tiny) believes the medical establishment as a whole is behind it, for much the same reason they continue to push Synthroid for all cases of hypothyroid and downplay/ignore natural dessicated thyroid, which works far better because I'm on it.
/tinfoil cocked to one side, but not entirely off
Posted by: doomed, and angry at September 14, 2017 08:38 PM (UW4Uc)
Posted by: Big Penis at September 14, 2017 08:38 PM (mcI77)
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Remember, low-flow toilets and faucets, incandescents going the way of the dodo, and many other various regulations were pushed thru by republicans (like our fave bikini babe Kate Upton's uncle) or allowed under republican rule, like unchained EPA etc.
They SHOULD get away from these issues, but they just can't seem to keep their hands out of them.
War on drugs for example too..
JUST SAY NO to Big Gov!!
They SHOULD get away from these issues, but they just can't seem to keep their hands out of them.
War on drugs for example too..
JUST SAY NO to Big Gov!!
Posted by: Jarvis W. Deplorable at September 14, 2017 08:38 PM (RErNf)
Posted by: andycanuck at September 14, 2017 08:50 PM (mJ8mX)
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Fudgepacking has a negative affect on public health and costs the government money for AIDS drugs, hospital stays, adult diapers etc. And I don't partake of it. It should be made illegal, or at least heavily taxed.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at September 14, 2017 09:04 PM (/OugL)
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Nicotine is poison. Very toxic.
Posted by: Jaqen H'ghar at September 14, 2017 09:19 PM (5fSr7)
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233 Nicotine is poison. Very toxic.
Posted by: Jaqen H'ghar at September 14, 2017 09:19 PM (5fSr7)
No, it's not. It's very addictive, but what's really killing you when you smoke is all the ash and tar.
Posted by: Jaqen H'ghar at September 14, 2017 09:19 PM (5fSr7)
No, it's not. It's very addictive, but what's really killing you when you smoke is all the ash and tar.
Posted by: Ace's liver at September 14, 2017 09:47 PM (+azJs)
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Now there's the angle I hadn't considered but Big Tobacco loses out no matter what. Smokers will not come back. Maybe in a generation or two, but not ex's.
2017 08:38 PM (UW4Uc)
Hahahahaha. There's no such thing as an ex smoker. Just people who haven't smoked in awhile.
2017 08:38 PM (UW4Uc)
Hahahahaha. There's no such thing as an ex smoker. Just people who haven't smoked in awhile.
Posted by: Ace's liver at September 14, 2017 09:49 PM (+azJs)
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Police around here where marijuana is still illegal don't really care for the vape due to the THC juice you can use in them. You can puff on that right in front of them and they can't even tell you're doing it. I, uh, err, have friends that have them and have seen them use it in a bar that allows vaping. Nobody knows.
Posted by: kahall at September 14, 2017 09:52 PM (3s5V4)
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The Restraining Order, Sherrod Brown, is against them so by definition they have to be good. That hoarse voiced goof sounds like he just took a money shot to the back of the throat and can't cough it up so maybe that has something to do with his flawed reasoning. Plus his fatassed second wife makes Curb Dive seem graceful.
Posted by: Captain Hate at September 14, 2017 10:07 PM (y7DUB)
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I left a pack and a half to 2 pack per day smoking habit behind with e cigs a few years ago now.
Jack Straw: I buy Blu brand e cigs. They are disposable, so ready to go when you open the package, throw it away when it is spent. I like the cherry flavor best though I started with their 'tobacco' flavor.
Back when I started vaping, I tried buying the liquid and filling the tank, etc. but I really hated having to mess around with all that. Like your mom, I wanted something as convenient as buying a pack of cigarettes. Blu disposable e cigs fit the bill literally; No cost savings in buying the ready-to-go disposables but just as easy as opening a pack of cigarettes. For me, it is worth it.
My lungs cleared up. I stopped having the smoker's hack a long time ago now, no wheezing, etc. I recommend highly.
Jack Straw: I buy Blu brand e cigs. They are disposable, so ready to go when you open the package, throw it away when it is spent. I like the cherry flavor best though I started with their 'tobacco' flavor.
Back when I started vaping, I tried buying the liquid and filling the tank, etc. but I really hated having to mess around with all that. Like your mom, I wanted something as convenient as buying a pack of cigarettes. Blu disposable e cigs fit the bill literally; No cost savings in buying the ready-to-go disposables but just as easy as opening a pack of cigarettes. For me, it is worth it.
My lungs cleared up. I stopped having the smoker's hack a long time ago now, no wheezing, etc. I recommend highly.
Posted by: viking at September 14, 2017 10:38 PM (6y/kW)
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Sorry, not 'Jack straw'. Jack Sock.
Posted by: viking at September 14, 2017 10:40 PM (6y/kW)
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Hey, look on the bright side. You can smoke all the pot you want! It's "cool" and has the official seal of approval of the progressive left... at least until Big Tobacco starts churning it out.
Posted by: ZonToro at September 14, 2017 10:55 PM (V0pGL)
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You know when I started vaping? Sometime in late 2012, after reading a post here by Ace. Went out the next day and found a vape shop and bought an eGo kit and a variety of liquids, stopping my 2+ pack a day, 30 year Camel Light habit that gum, mints, drugs and willpower couldn't get me to stop.
I've had five cigarettes since then, and four of them were on either end of a Germany to Vancouver BC trip after my extra vape supplies got lost with my checked luggage.
Since vaping, I haven't felt this healthy in years, I can breath freely, I can smell, I can taste, and I don't smell (or taste) like an ashtray. My house is cleaner, my cars are cleaner, my windows are not semi-opaque.
These days I make my own juice with quality ingredients, wrap my own coils with quality wire, and wick it with quality cotton, partly because its cheaper, and partly because of trust on my part.
Trust, you say? Yes, trust, because the industry needs *some* regulation, especially in the manufacture of coils and liquids.
Until I can trust what's in bottled liquids and pre-made coils (said coils being mostly a product of China), I hedge my bets by going DIY with ingredients and materials I can better trust.
All that said, I feel the level of government regulation on vaping should be extremely limited, and no more restrictive than what the makers and sellers of alcoholic beverages have to put up with.
I've had five cigarettes since then, and four of them were on either end of a Germany to Vancouver BC trip after my extra vape supplies got lost with my checked luggage.
Since vaping, I haven't felt this healthy in years, I can breath freely, I can smell, I can taste, and I don't smell (or taste) like an ashtray. My house is cleaner, my cars are cleaner, my windows are not semi-opaque.
These days I make my own juice with quality ingredients, wrap my own coils with quality wire, and wick it with quality cotton, partly because its cheaper, and partly because of trust on my part.
Trust, you say? Yes, trust, because the industry needs *some* regulation, especially in the manufacture of coils and liquids.
Until I can trust what's in bottled liquids and pre-made coils (said coils being mostly a product of China), I hedge my bets by going DIY with ingredients and materials I can better trust.
All that said, I feel the level of government regulation on vaping should be extremely limited, and no more restrictive than what the makers and sellers of alcoholic beverages have to put up with.
Posted by: Croak at September 15, 2017 12:51 AM (r8wIS)
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I'm a retired HR manager. When vaping became popular, I was agreeable to people vaping at their desks.mwhy not? No second hand smoke, no fire hazard, no health hazard. The bonus is that it keeps people at their desks working rather than losing 15 minutes several times a day for smoke breaks.
However, senior management decided that it was evil in some sort of a homeopathic way.
However, senior management decided that it was evil in some sort of a homeopathic way.
Posted by: Spot at September 15, 2017 02:21 AM (otQ3c)
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I quit smoking 5 months ago, after 35 yrs it was easy this time because of vaping, although I wish I had investigated more cause i wasted alot of money on different things, still cheaper than smoking tho, I use an SX mini 200 watt mod with a smok TFV 8 X baby tank, and just started making RBAs and my own Juice, The so called Puritans are really just fascists who hate anyone ro thing they disagree with, it really is that simple.
Posted by: Ed at September 15, 2017 11:19 AM (RCZwi)
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I smoked for 35 years. The only thing that helped me quit were switching to e-cigs for about 3 weeks.
I haven't touched a cigarette for 5 years. I feel better, and my wife has had about $20K to spend on other things.
I haven't touched a cigarette for 5 years. I feel better, and my wife has had about $20K to spend on other things.
Posted by: jrg at September 15, 2017 11:22 AM (RcJUJ)
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It all comes down to the fact that people smoking eCigs look exactly like they're smoking, and enjoying it too, and that's just too much for the anti-smoking nazis to abide.
Posted by: Random Thought Generator at September 15, 2017 11:53 AM (iOKfQ)
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It's all about the money. Until vaping is taxed as heavily as tobacco, the government is opposed to it.
Posted by: Jay Dee at September 15, 2017 12:54 PM (xyBta)
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They'll have to remove my e-cig from my cold, dead hands.
When they raised the cost of ciggies to roughly 1k a carton, I took up vaping and haven't smoked since.
Please, for the love of God, let me keep my little device. I don't kill, I don't steal and I don't covet my neighbor's husband (well rarely). Just LEAVE ME ALONE!!!
When they raised the cost of ciggies to roughly 1k a carton, I took up vaping and haven't smoked since.
Please, for the love of God, let me keep my little device. I don't kill, I don't steal and I don't covet my neighbor's husband (well rarely). Just LEAVE ME ALONE!!!
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