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Sunday Morning Book Thread 09-17-2017
Cincinnati Public Library, 1920sPic Note You're going to want to click on the pic to see the larger version as the old b&w photo looks very impressive. This fine old library has unfortunately long since been demolished.
Hillary's Book, Part Thrieuuxx So from the online published excerpts and quotes from interviews Cankles has given this week, there's nothing new here, no surprises, no astounding revelations, no insight, no self-awareness, no thing. It's just what we would have expected from her: a boringly dull, whining, self-pitying, woulda coulda shoulda blame-a-thon that has all of the wit, intelligence, and readability of a cinder block. My prediction is that it will all but be forgotten in a month. Like her other books. Oh, I know that Hillary's peeps at the NY Times will figure out which bookstores to interview so they will be able to guarantee a place for it on their "bestseller" list, but nobody will care.
“Attempting to define reality is a core feature of authoritarianism. This is what the Soviets did when they erased political dissidents from historical photos. This is what happens in George Orwell’s classic novel Nineteen Eighty-Four, when a torturer holds up four fingers and delivers electric shocks until his prisoner sees five fingers as ordered. The goal is to make you question logic and reason and to sow mistrust toward exactly the people we need to rely on: our leaders, the press, experts who seek to guide public policy based on evidence, ourselves.”So let me get this straight, Orwell wrote 1984 because he thought we needed to trust "our leaders" *more*? Is she *seriously* trying to make that argument? That's monumentally dumb. That's like reading Uncle Tom's Cabin and claiming that it supports slavery. Hrothgar sent me this article, a bleak description of a tubercular George Orwell struggling to complete 1984 before he died or became too ill to write. As Her Thighness ascertained, he really had a strong desire to communicate how we should all trust the government and our political leaders. After all, what could possibly go wrong?
It Pays To Increase Your Word Power® CAPNOMANCY is divination by examining the patterns made by smoke. Usage: The US Dept. of Capnomancy dates back to FDR's "brain trust" and the New Deal.
Great Books Podcast
From NRO:I’m pleased to announce another new NR podcast: The Great Books. This one, as the old English paint commercial has it, “does exactly what it says on the tin.” Each week, Hillsdale’s John J. Miller will join a professor to discuss one of the great works of the Western literary canon. This week, it’s Shakespeare’s Macbeth. Next week, Austen’s Pride and Prejudice. The week after, Xenophon’s The Expedition of Cyrus. And so on. Each episode is around half an hour — perfect for your drive to work or trip to the gym.You can go to this page to either play the current podcast or check out the various download and subscription options. Next up, a book report from Hilary Clinton about how Franz Kafka's The Trial taught her that everything will work out for the best if we all just submit to faceless government bureaucracy.
I Like Big Books and I Cannot Lie
Prague Castle, Antiphonaries , 1960s pic.twitter.com/nsixjqnWTv
— Lost In History (@HistoryToLearn) September 11, 2017
Meanwhile, Hillary will soon relate how reading Animal Farm helped her to see that many wonderful things can be accomplished if we all work together for the common good.
Moron Recommendations Got an interesting book recommendation from long-time 'ette shibumi for Lord of the World by Robert Hugh Benson. It's on old, obscure book that perhaps not many have heard about. Wikipedia says:
Lord of the World is a 1907 dystopian science fiction novel [1] by Monsignor Robert Hugh Benson that centers upon the reign of the Anti-Christ and the End of the World. It has been called prophetic by Dale Ahlquist, Joseph Pearce, Pope Benedict XVI and Pope Francis.[2]Shibumi writes:
In many ways, it can be seen as Catholics vs. the Non-religious. However, I'd basically say it's the Religious vs. Statist Humanism. It's terrifying insofar that as I'm readying it, I can see the people I know who are not religious turning into the Statist Humanists in the book. In fact, if you simply changed some words and references around, it could easily been seen as a treatise of what could happen today.She also says "there is Latin at the end, so be prepared. I literally had to go online and look up the phrases to get the final meaning." You can get the Kindle version for free. I assume it would be also available on Gutenberg, but I didn't check.
In any case, I'd highly, highly recommend it for the horde, simply because of the religious aspects to it (Catholic, but relevant to all Christians) as well as the fact that we're seeing many around us turn to the State for meaning and purpose, rather than God. And it's absolutely terrifying...[W]ritten in 1907, [it] is relevant today. Like Orwell.
___________ A lurking moron recommended Things Worth Fighting For, a collection of the writings of journalist Michael Kelly, who has killed in 2003 while covering the Iraq War. "The chapter Ted Kennedy On the Rocks is worth the price of the book alone." No Kindle version available, but used copies of this book are available for as low as $1.60. The Ted Kennedy essay is available here. He really was a disgusting pig whom the press pretty much covered up for for most of his entire career.
Books By Morons Lisa Mathisen has published the 7th volume of her short stories. Glimpse: BOT is
A Sci-Fi Glimpse of Possible Futures Imagine a world where aliens finally make contact….via text. Where biotechnology and cryogenics go wild, then insane. Where geeks save the planet and the moon is a burial plot……….. “I looked at the long list of Sci-Fi subgenres and began mixing them to create my own style. There are terrifying musings in my campy 1950’s retro and farce in my apocalyptic scenes...BOT is a shiny steel android with heart; unfathomable technology tripping over a stone and humanity reaching into the universe; tongue firmly in cheek.”Promotional video here.
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Don't forget the AoSHQ reading group on Goodreads. It's meant to support horde writers and to talk about the great books that come up on the book thread. It's called AoSHQ Moron Horde and the link to it is here: https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/175335-aoshq-moron-horde. ___________ So that's all for this week. As always, book thread tips, suggestions, bribes, rumors, threats, and insults may be sent to OregonMuse, Proprietor, AoSHQ Book Thread, at the book thread e-mail address: aoshqbookthread, followed by the 'at' sign, and then 'G' mail, and then dot cee oh emm. What have you all been reading this week? Hopefully something good, because, as you all know, life is too short to be reading lousy books.
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Welcome to the AoSHq Book Thread, a fusion of Enlightenment and Entertainment
Posted by: Skip at September 17, 2017 09:12 AM (ghofu)
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Where'd that blue thing go?
Posted by: FireHorse at September 17, 2017 09:13 AM (zkGZ8)
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Ah, there it is. SONOBI!
Posted by: FireHorse at September 17, 2017 09:13 AM (zkGZ8)
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Tolle lege
( Muldoon put me up to that)
Still on book 17 of Thomas Carlyle's History of Frederick II, he's explaining the events at the start of the 7YW.
( Muldoon put me up to that)
Still on book 17 of Thomas Carlyle's History of Frederick II, he's explaining the events at the start of the 7YW.
Posted by: Skip at September 17, 2017 09:14 AM (ghofu)
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Recommended here a few weeks ago, I read Hue 1968: The Turning Point of the American War in Vietnam. This is a well-researched, well-written book on probably the most important battle of the war.
Posted by: Zoltan at September 17, 2017 09:15 AM (go62B)
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Knowledge is Good
Posted by: Eberhard Faber at September 17, 2017 09:15 AM (gIRsn)
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Currently reading Tom Clancy's The Bear and the Dragon. I got it a couple of weeks ago when Amazon had it on sale for $1.99. I see why it has been a long time since I read it. Although it is a Jack Ryan book which are the ones I like, it is not one of his better books.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 17, 2017 09:18 AM (mpXpK)
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any industry that keeps dumping the spewage of hellary clinton on me yearly, makes me rethink everything i have read in my life.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 17, 2017 09:19 AM (KP5rU)
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That's monumentally dumb.
Posted by: OregonMuse
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Think about it: That's quintessentially Orwellian.
Posted by: OregonMuse
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Think about it: That's quintessentially Orwellian.
Posted by: FireHorse at September 17, 2017 09:19 AM (zkGZ8)
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I was reading somewhere Amazon was deleting bad reviews of Hillary's book, and from verified buyers. So went to my Kindle store to read some reviews. There are a lot of comments from verified buyers who say their review has been deleted and we're reposting it. Many added if they are asking for reviews post them, if they don't want to know don't ask.
Posted by: Skip at September 17, 2017 09:19 AM (ghofu)
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I'm waiting for the "150% off sale" as she should pay me to haul away and dispose of those tortured and abused words.
Posted by: geoffb5 at September 17, 2017 09:19 AM (zOpu5)
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The publisher and Amazon have significantly cut the price of her book because it has not sold well.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 17, 2017 09:20 AM (mpXpK)
Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at September 17, 2017 09:21 AM (EgwCt)
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I finally finished reading The Seven Years War in Europe 1756-1763 by Franz Szabo. Very worthwhile book if you have an interest in the SYW.
A bookshop find was The Story of the Confederacy by Robert Selph Henry. This is the revised edition published in 1936 and I purchased it mainly for the ephemera that was tipped in: a previous owner had put the page from the New York Times Sunday Supplement dated 02/12/1961 chronicalling the birth of the Confederacy in the book. I'm sure that the author of the NYT article would not be welcome in the contemporary NYT because she wrote "...there were other, perhaps more compelling factors [prompting Secession] than the North's opposition to slavery." Also, Montgomery, AL, was planning to mark the birthday of the Confederacy by ringing church bells and having a procession!
I read Henry's introduction and found a very well-written and cogent account of both sides' motivations for going to war. He writes "One of the tragedies of the War between the States ... was that neither side could realize or appreciate for what the other was fighting." A Thought-Criminal, Douglas Southall Freeman (he wrote a famous biography of Robert E. Lee), says nice things about the book in his foreword. Robert S. Henry concludes that Confederate defeat was inevitable and I will hopefully get around to reading this book someday.
Wow! I get vertigo just from that photograph! How did you get the books on the upper shelves?
A bookshop find was The Story of the Confederacy by Robert Selph Henry. This is the revised edition published in 1936 and I purchased it mainly for the ephemera that was tipped in: a previous owner had put the page from the New York Times Sunday Supplement dated 02/12/1961 chronicalling the birth of the Confederacy in the book. I'm sure that the author of the NYT article would not be welcome in the contemporary NYT because she wrote "...there were other, perhaps more compelling factors [prompting Secession] than the North's opposition to slavery." Also, Montgomery, AL, was planning to mark the birthday of the Confederacy by ringing church bells and having a procession!
I read Henry's introduction and found a very well-written and cogent account of both sides' motivations for going to war. He writes "One of the tragedies of the War between the States ... was that neither side could realize or appreciate for what the other was fighting." A Thought-Criminal, Douglas Southall Freeman (he wrote a famous biography of Robert E. Lee), says nice things about the book in his foreword. Robert S. Henry concludes that Confederate defeat was inevitable and I will hopefully get around to reading this book someday.
Wow! I get vertigo just from that photograph! How did you get the books on the upper shelves?
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at September 17, 2017 09:21 AM (5Yee7)
Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at September 17, 2017 09:21 AM (hMwEB)
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IIRC, in 1984, "the" State was more directly in control, whereas "our" State has added the judiciary and rule-making regulatory agencies to the list of more subtle tools to be used against the recalcitrant!
Posted by: Hrothgar at September 17, 2017 09:22 AM (gwPgz)
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Antiphonary- thanks for expanding my vocabulary, OM.
Here is an absolutely gorgeous clip of monks singing Gregorian chant:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBwh1OXw6uI
Here is an absolutely gorgeous clip of monks singing Gregorian chant:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBwh1OXw6uI
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 17, 2017 09:22 AM (qJtVm)
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12: but vic, all her appearances are "sold out." how can this be?
Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 17, 2017 09:22 AM (KP5rU)
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Skip, I saw a screenshot shot of a deleted 1 star review from a verified reviewr. Well written, and the reviewer said he liked her earlier book Hard Choices.
Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at September 17, 2017 09:23 AM (hMwEB)
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Hey Lord of the World sounds like it could be a good group read. Whaddya guys think?
Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at September 17, 2017 09:24 AM (hMwEB)
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12: but vic, all her appearances are "sold out." how can this be?
Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 17, 2017 09:22 AM (KP5rU)
Her appearances are virtually empty of people. If they see you taking picture of it they will confiscate your camera.
12: but vic, all her appearances are "sold out." how can this be?
Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 17, 2017 09:22 AM (KP5rU)
Her appearances are virtually empty of people. If they see you taking picture of it they will confiscate your camera.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 17, 2017 09:25 AM (mpXpK)
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BTW, I couldn't check "my" copy of 1984, because it is required reading for my grand-kids so it is in use elsewhere!
Posted by: Hrothgar at September 17, 2017 09:25 AM (gwPgz)
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ok gotta run soon
no blog post today but I hope to have a bunch of new releases from right minded writers up tomorrow so come visit bookhorde.org then
no blog post today but I hope to have a bunch of new releases from right minded writers up tomorrow so come visit bookhorde.org then
Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at September 17, 2017 09:26 AM (hMwEB)
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18 12: but vic, all her appearances are "sold out." how can this be?
Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 17, 2017 09:22 AM (KP5rU)
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Chuck E Cheez is always packed on weekends.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 17, 2017 09:22 AM (KP5rU)
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Chuck E Cheez is always packed on weekends.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 17, 2017 09:28 AM (qJtVm)
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CAPNOMANCY is divination by examining the patterns made by smoke.
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A common practice among stoners.
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A common practice among stoners.
Posted by: Zonker Harris at September 17, 2017 09:28 AM (nBBdT)
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Posted by: Zonker Harris at September 17, 2017 09:28 AM (nBBdT)
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Hey, how did you place in the last George Hamilton Cocoa Butter Open?
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Hey, how did you place in the last George Hamilton Cocoa Butter Open?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 17, 2017 09:30 AM (qJtVm)
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BTW, I couldn't check "my" copy of 1984, because it is required reading for my grand-kids so it is in use elsewhere!
Posted by: Hrothgar at September 17, 2017 09:25 AM (gwPgz)
I'm surprised that 1984 is still required reading since it is not an endorsement of "Hey, let's give the State absolute power over the individual! What could go wrong?"
I'm sure the Thought Criminals at that school will soon be sent to Hillary's Happy Fun Camps.
Posted by: Hrothgar at September 17, 2017 09:25 AM (gwPgz)
I'm surprised that 1984 is still required reading since it is not an endorsement of "Hey, let's give the State absolute power over the individual! What could go wrong?"
I'm sure the Thought Criminals at that school will soon be sent to Hillary's Happy Fun Camps.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at September 17, 2017 09:30 AM (5Yee7)
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From The Onion --
Clinton Already Working On Follow-Up Book Casting Blame For Failures Of Fist
http://tinyurl.com/y9jwb2mg
Clinton Already Working On Follow-Up Book Casting Blame For Failures Of Fist
http://tinyurl.com/y9jwb2mg
Posted by: FireHorse at September 17, 2017 09:31 AM (zkGZ8)
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BTW, I couldn't check "my" copy of 1984, because it is required reading for my grand-kids so it is in use elsewhere!
Posted by: Hrothgar
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I would suggest printing off copies of 'Harrison Bergeron' and handing them out. It's very short.
Posted by: Hrothgar
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I would suggest printing off copies of 'Harrison Bergeron' and handing them out. It's very short.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 17, 2017 09:31 AM (nBBdT)
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Buckeye I should, I could have just as easily been a 7YW nut had I happened into a game of that instead of Napoleoic game. I was hooked after that.
Posted by: Skip at September 17, 2017 09:31 AM (ghofu)
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(Let me try that again.)
From The Onion --
Clinton Already Working On Follow-Up Book Casting Blame For Failures Of First
http://tinyurl.com/y9jwb2mg
From The Onion --
Clinton Already Working On Follow-Up Book Casting Blame For Failures Of First
http://tinyurl.com/y9jwb2mg
Posted by: FireHorse at September 17, 2017 09:31 AM (zkGZ8)
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12: but vic, all her appearances are "sold out." how can this be?
Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 17, 2017 09:22 AM (KP5rU)
Hecklers have to buy tickets, too...
Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 17, 2017 09:22 AM (KP5rU)
Hecklers have to buy tickets, too...
Posted by: right wing yankee at September 17, 2017 09:31 AM (26lkV)
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When I ran from Irma I holed up for a few days in Tallahassee where I did some sight seeing and went to several used bookstores. I found this in one of them.
'A Treasury of Southern Folklore' by B.A. Botkin published in 1949. The copy I bought was printed in 1976. If you like folklore then this book is a treasure chest full of neat stuff. It's also the type of book that should be saved before the halfwits who drive themselves into spastic fits of rage over some icky words and phrases try to ban it and other similar books.
Botkin also wrote books of folklore from other parts of the country.
'A Treasury of Southern Folklore' by B.A. Botkin published in 1949. The copy I bought was printed in 1976. If you like folklore then this book is a treasure chest full of neat stuff. It's also the type of book that should be saved before the halfwits who drive themselves into spastic fits of rage over some icky words and phrases try to ban it and other similar books.
Botkin also wrote books of folklore from other parts of the country.
Posted by: Jake Holenhead at September 17, 2017 09:31 AM (T33X5)
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Heh. That pic of Shillary's book display makes me smile.
Posted by: Aunt Luna at September 17, 2017 09:33 AM (Zd2ZF)
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Sound familiar?
"Things are going to happen in America that you just don't dream of in your nice liberal circles. You just think it's all a nice, sweet little intellectual game, don't you? You always have, you and your sweet-smelling friends, playing fast and loose with America just so you could make points at Washington cocktail parties and tell each other in New York how smart-ass brilliant you are. Well, let me tell you, things are getting in the hands of the people who really know what's best for America, now. You and your crowd have served your purpose, you've paved the way, you've conned the boobs and conditioned them to accept any lie if it's smooth enough, you've told them what to believe and made them so confused that they don't know which way is up. You've done your job: you've paved the way for us. And now, here - we - are."
Allen Drury, Preserve and Protect (196
So, Allen Drury, whose novels were derided by all the right-thinking people, once again proves more prescient than them.
Sound familiar?
"Things are going to happen in America that you just don't dream of in your nice liberal circles. You just think it's all a nice, sweet little intellectual game, don't you? You always have, you and your sweet-smelling friends, playing fast and loose with America just so you could make points at Washington cocktail parties and tell each other in New York how smart-ass brilliant you are. Well, let me tell you, things are getting in the hands of the people who really know what's best for America, now. You and your crowd have served your purpose, you've paved the way, you've conned the boobs and conditioned them to accept any lie if it's smooth enough, you've told them what to believe and made them so confused that they don't know which way is up. You've done your job: you've paved the way for us. And now, here - we - are."
Allen Drury, Preserve and Protect (196
So, Allen Drury, whose novels were derided by all the right-thinking people, once again proves more prescient than them.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 17, 2017 09:33 AM (Zqp0f)
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I'm just about to finish the final chapter in the second book in the "Unwind" dystology, "Unwholly". Thanks to the Moron(s) who recommended this series in this august thread. I already checked out the third book for uninterrupted reading pleasure.
All praise to our libraries!
All praise to our libraries!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 17, 2017 09:34 AM (qJtVm)
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Hey, how did you place in the last George Hamilton Cocoa Butter Open?
Posted by: All Hail Eris
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Not bad, 3rd Place. Curiously, however, my dermatologist called and said he has some bad news about that last skin sample he took.
Posted by: All Hail Eris
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Not bad, 3rd Place. Curiously, however, my dermatologist called and said he has some bad news about that last skin sample he took.
Posted by: Zonker Harris at September 17, 2017 09:34 AM (nBBdT)
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Hillary in a interview I resd with like minded media stated 1984 is all about the love of big goverment by the population.
Posted by: Skip at September 17, 2017 09:34 AM (ghofu)
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Good morning, Sonobi people.
I was hoping to finish "Elizabeth: The Lost Years" by now but, welp, that didn't happen. She *has* died, though, and I assume the rest of the book will deal with finding a successor since she was Teh Virgin Queen *cough* which was a bothersome topic to her all along worrying about being bumped off to accomplish that. This was extremely well written history and I'll probably read the author's book on Mary Queen of Scots once I wean myself of this habit of reading multiple books at once.
My book group started "The Luminaries" by Eleanor Catton which a commentor at another blog recommended to me. It's a complex bunch of stories within stories in the 1860s at a gold mining town in New Zealand and is very well written. A side benefit of this was, in trying to figure out the logistics of getting from point a to b by consulting an atlas (when I'm king all books will come with detailed maps), finding out just how fucking small the two islands of New Zealand are. When I'd watched movies filmed there, like LOTR, I'd assumed it was a slightly scaled down Australia. So that corrected one of my misapprehensions of the Southern Hemisphere.
I was hoping to finish "Elizabeth: The Lost Years" by now but, welp, that didn't happen. She *has* died, though, and I assume the rest of the book will deal with finding a successor since she was Teh Virgin Queen *cough* which was a bothersome topic to her all along worrying about being bumped off to accomplish that. This was extremely well written history and I'll probably read the author's book on Mary Queen of Scots once I wean myself of this habit of reading multiple books at once.
My book group started "The Luminaries" by Eleanor Catton which a commentor at another blog recommended to me. It's a complex bunch of stories within stories in the 1860s at a gold mining town in New Zealand and is very well written. A side benefit of this was, in trying to figure out the logistics of getting from point a to b by consulting an atlas (when I'm king all books will come with detailed maps), finding out just how fucking small the two islands of New Zealand are. When I'd watched movies filmed there, like LOTR, I'd assumed it was a slightly scaled down Australia. So that corrected one of my misapprehensions of the Southern Hemisphere.
Posted by: Captain Hate at September 17, 2017 09:35 AM (y7DUB)
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Thanks to all of you who helped with info last week to help me find an ancient children's book. I ordered it and several others. One of the other books came in yesterday. I think the great-grands will enjoy it and the others.
Posted by: Vic's wife at September 17, 2017 09:35 AM (mpXpK)
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How soon till you see Hillary's book for $1 at Walmart orsuch?
Posted by: Skip at September 17, 2017 09:35 AM (ghofu)
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Halfway through 'Their Finest Hour'. Those with an interest in WWII who haven't read it, ought to. Churchill provides lots of detail, many private messages between himself and other players.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 17, 2017 09:36 AM (nBBdT)
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Just reading and re-reading a tiny book that cost about $5.00 called "Keep Calm and Trust God" by jake Provenance and Keith Provenance (It's only about 70 pages) of refection. Old and new Testament scripture, prayer, refections on the subjects of anxiety, worry, fear , depression. pressure, regret, stress, frustration, self criticism, seeking the approval of others, fear of others and unexpected setbacks. It's not theology in depth of course (It's not supposed to be) but sometimes you can use simple devotionals to help you on your way. We will be giving in out at the booth at the local street fair in October if i can convince the poor church to spring for the cost. :^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 17, 2017 09:36 AM (iVOAv)
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Posted by: Jake Holenhead at September 17, 2017 09:31 AM (T33X5)
I love those books! I bought the New England Folklore one first, because that's my home region, then got ahold of three or four of the other ones. I was in one of my 'preparing for the downfall of Western Civilization' moods, and thought that I could bury them for future historians to dig up and learn about American culture, but I had so much fun reading them that they're still sitting on my bookshelves- a much better place for them.
I love those books! I bought the New England Folklore one first, because that's my home region, then got ahold of three or four of the other ones. I was in one of my 'preparing for the downfall of Western Civilization' moods, and thought that I could bury them for future historians to dig up and learn about American culture, but I had so much fun reading them that they're still sitting on my bookshelves- a much better place for them.
Posted by: right wing yankee at September 17, 2017 09:37 AM (26lkV)
Posted by: Chris M at September 17, 2017 09:38 AM (6RZos)
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A quiet week here - mostly devoted to starting the next Luna City book - concluded by spending a long Saturday in San Marcos, for their mermaid festival. That is a celebration of their lovely little river, which runs through town, and right past the park where the artisans were set up. They have several nice little inlets, where stone steps go down into the water; lots of people swimming and kayaking, while bands played in the park. We so wished we had brought bathing suits, as it was in the 90s - we could have taken cool-off breaks by going for a dip in the river.
On the book front side, I did finish "The Peshawar Lancers" - wish that SM Stirling had written some more adventures in that universe.
On the book front side, I did finish "The Peshawar Lancers" - wish that SM Stirling had written some more adventures in that universe.
Posted by: Sgt. Mom at September 17, 2017 09:39 AM (xnmPy)
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This first "Cinderblock" was a startlingly original idea with a first rate plot.
However, since then the author has simply duplicated the format of the original "Cinderblock" over and over again.
Worse yet, there are plenty of inferior "Cinderblock"-imitations flooding the market now. Like the endless LOTR or ROTLA-manques.
I give this latest edition of "Cinderblock" 1 Star.
Oh, and Hillary!'s book gets -36,929 Stars.
This first "Cinderblock" was a startlingly original idea with a first rate plot.
However, since then the author has simply duplicated the format of the original "Cinderblock" over and over again.
Worse yet, there are plenty of inferior "Cinderblock"-imitations flooding the market now. Like the endless LOTR or ROTLA-manques.
I give this latest edition of "Cinderblock" 1 Star.
Oh, and Hillary!'s book gets -36,929 Stars.
Posted by: naturalfake at September 17, 2017 09:39 AM (9q7Dl)
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Good morning Book Horde! I finished up the latest installment of my timeline journey through the Star Wars Expanded Universe - "The Approaching Storm" by Alan Dean Foster. Not one of the better entries, nothing really happens at all. I think the next book I read is going to be "The Last Voyage of the USS Pueblo" written by Ed Brandt shortly after the release of the Pueblo's crew. Seems kind of topical.
I picked up some finds at the local book outlet Friday: "British Admirals of the Eighteenth Century" by John Cresswell; "The Bruneval Raid" by George Millar, about a commando raid to capture a German radar station in WWII; "Assault from The Sea 1939-1945" by J.D. Ladd; "The Russian Army in World War I" by Ward Rutherford; "The Battle of Carthage: Border War in Southwest Missouri July 5, 1861" by Hinze & Farnham; and "Tanks and Other AFVs of the Blitzkrieg Era 1939-41" by B.T. White. This is part of a series of 'Mechanized Warfare in Colour', which, if Uncle Palpatine is here, contains volumes on armored trains.
I picked up some finds at the local book outlet Friday: "British Admirals of the Eighteenth Century" by John Cresswell; "The Bruneval Raid" by George Millar, about a commando raid to capture a German radar station in WWII; "Assault from The Sea 1939-1945" by J.D. Ladd; "The Russian Army in World War I" by Ward Rutherford; "The Battle of Carthage: Border War in Southwest Missouri July 5, 1861" by Hinze & Farnham; and "Tanks and Other AFVs of the Blitzkrieg Era 1939-41" by B.T. White. This is part of a series of 'Mechanized Warfare in Colour', which, if Uncle Palpatine is here, contains volumes on armored trains.
Posted by: josephistan at September 17, 2017 09:41 AM (ANIFC)
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Buckeye I should, I could have just as easily been a 7YW nut had I happened into a game of that instead of Napoleoic game. I was hooked after that.
Posted by: Skip at September 17, 2017 09:31 AM (ghofu)
Skip, embrace the power of "AND." I own figures for the Seven Years War AND Napoleonics AND the American Civil War AND World War II. Of course I have been painting and gaming since 1976 when the Old Man gave me a copy of Charles Grant's The Wargame. I still own figures I purchased and painted as a teenager.
Posted by: Skip at September 17, 2017 09:31 AM (ghofu)
Skip, embrace the power of "AND." I own figures for the Seven Years War AND Napoleonics AND the American Civil War AND World War II. Of course I have been painting and gaming since 1976 when the Old Man gave me a copy of Charles Grant's The Wargame. I still own figures I purchased and painted as a teenager.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at September 17, 2017 09:41 AM (5Yee7)
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I'm surprised that 1984 is still required reading since it is not an endorsement of "Hey, let's give the State absolute power over the individual! What could go wrong?"
I'm sure the Thought Criminals at that school will soon be sent to Hillary's Happy Fun Camps.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at September 17, 2017 09:30 AM (5Yee7
I figured that once the State Indoctrination and Extended Daycare Centers started pawning off bullshit like Rigoberta Menchu as factual that they sent all copies of 1984 to the post Auschwitz furnaces. Surely a paltry few of the non jaded students can figure out what Orwell was saying contrary to Queen Chardonnay's boozy interpretation.
I'm sure the Thought Criminals at that school will soon be sent to Hillary's Happy Fun Camps.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at September 17, 2017 09:30 AM (5Yee7
I figured that once the State Indoctrination and Extended Daycare Centers started pawning off bullshit like Rigoberta Menchu as factual that they sent all copies of 1984 to the post Auschwitz furnaces. Surely a paltry few of the non jaded students can figure out what Orwell was saying contrary to Queen Chardonnay's boozy interpretation.
Posted by: Captain Hate at September 17, 2017 09:41 AM (y7DUB)
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Greetings, O Book Thread!
We have been promised rain today after three months of nothing. If this happens I will be out jumping in puddles.
After enjoying Giles Milton's Churchill's Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare I thought Samurai William would be a similarly fascinating read. It was not.
First, it was riddled with internal logical inconsistencies, second, it appears his only source material was a few letters and he extrapolated the hell out of them, and third and lastly, he was far more interested in salacious gossip then the premise actually printed on the cover of the book, which was what *I* was interested in. Chapter after chapter covering various other scurvy knaves and their bad navigation decisions, and maybe one chapter in total about William Adams (who was a very interesting individual). Good thing it was a library book and I wasn't out any money for that travesty.
Now, a request. If Sgt.Mom is hanging around (or anyone with similar resources) I'm looking for contemporary accounts of daily living in the Southwest (Arizona, Texas, etc) around 1880-1910. Diaries would be perfect. Extra points for free/online sources. Please send to firstname dot lastname at the gmail thingy. Many thanks!
We have been promised rain today after three months of nothing. If this happens I will be out jumping in puddles.
After enjoying Giles Milton's Churchill's Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare I thought Samurai William would be a similarly fascinating read. It was not.
First, it was riddled with internal logical inconsistencies, second, it appears his only source material was a few letters and he extrapolated the hell out of them, and third and lastly, he was far more interested in salacious gossip then the premise actually printed on the cover of the book, which was what *I* was interested in. Chapter after chapter covering various other scurvy knaves and their bad navigation decisions, and maybe one chapter in total about William Adams (who was a very interesting individual). Good thing it was a library book and I wasn't out any money for that travesty.
Now, a request. If Sgt.Mom is hanging around (or anyone with similar resources) I'm looking for contemporary accounts of daily living in the Southwest (Arizona, Texas, etc) around 1880-1910. Diaries would be perfect. Extra points for free/online sources. Please send to firstname dot lastname at the gmail thingy. Many thanks!
Posted by: Sabrina Chase at September 17, 2017 09:43 AM (hnzFp)
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Love those Giant Prague Antiphonaries. It would take two people just to flip the pages.
Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at September 17, 2017 09:43 AM (OVUYQ)
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but sometimes you can use
simple devotionals to help you on your way. We will be giving in out at
the booth at the local street fair in October if i can convince the poor
church to spring for the cost. :^) Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 17, 2017 09:36 AM (iVOAv)
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A humble suggestion would be to contact the authors directly with your proposal, which might lessen the cost at least a bit. They would probably appreciate your endorsement as well.
simple devotionals to help you on your way. We will be giving in out at
the booth at the local street fair in October if i can convince the poor
church to spring for the cost. :^) Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 17, 2017 09:36 AM (iVOAv)
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A humble suggestion would be to contact the authors directly with your proposal, which might lessen the cost at least a bit. They would probably appreciate your endorsement as well.
Posted by: mustbequantum at September 17, 2017 09:45 AM (MIKMs)
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So that's a quote from Hillary's book? Because it sounds true to me until you get to the part about sowing mistrust. The authoritarian, totalitarian left is trying to get us to stop trusting and relying on ourselves, our families, our neighbors, our communities, and our fellow citizens.
They want to remove all these foundations for a functioning society so they can replace it with State power.
They want to remove all these foundations for a functioning society so they can replace it with State power.
Posted by: Emmie at September 17, 2017 09:46 AM (ZapPq)
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Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 17, 2017 09:33 AM (Zqp0f)
Interesting about how they consider the fate of the US to just be an "intellectual game". Treating everything like an academic exercise, instead of as decisions that actually affected actual people, is why I quit reading Ann Althouse.
Interesting about how they consider the fate of the US to just be an "intellectual game". Treating everything like an academic exercise, instead of as decisions that actually affected actual people, is why I quit reading Ann Althouse.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 17, 2017 09:46 AM (rp9xB)
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Most everyone collecting figures has varied collections. I love lots of eras ( 7YW, Napoleon's, American Civil War, WWII) but except 1 regiment of the 7YW ( 13 Itzenplitz) I only have Napoleoics, thousands of.
Posted by: Skip at September 17, 2017 09:46 AM (ghofu)
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What cracks me up about Hillary!'s "interpretation" of "1984" is-
it just proves the micrometer deep cultural and intellectual processing in most Progs.
She clearly never read "1984". She just heard it described "something bad."
The book equivalent of Literally Hitler, if you will.
She can't imagine anything, anything at all, separate from her tawdry little power and ill-gotten gains games.
So, of course, that's the message of "1984".
Progressives like most Leftist are painfully stupid and ignorant of their own basic culture and human behavior.
Let's let them run things!
it just proves the micrometer deep cultural and intellectual processing in most Progs.
She clearly never read "1984". She just heard it described "something bad."
The book equivalent of Literally Hitler, if you will.
She can't imagine anything, anything at all, separate from her tawdry little power and ill-gotten gains games.
So, of course, that's the message of "1984".
Progressives like most Leftist are painfully stupid and ignorant of their own basic culture and human behavior.
Let's let them run things!
Posted by: naturalfake at September 17, 2017 09:47 AM (9q7Dl)
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" it can be seen as Catholics vs. the Non-religious. However, I'd basically say it's the Religious vs. Statist Humanism."
Self-reliance versus wards of the state ... liberty versus slavery (with or without the chains)
The individual has to develop "self-reliance" to be "free". One can still pledge allegiance to a group, whether state or church, but must have the strength of will to be able to walk away from either. It is not really church versus state, it is individual choice/liberty versus top down control.
It is not time to walk away from either institution perhaps, but fighting for meaningful change requires independence. Institutionalized Religion can go wrong just like Institutionalized (deep) State. The old Soviets worked at gaining control of both pillars of societies, infiltrating the US and probably the Vatican. The Soviets empire "died", but they subversively moved within US.
But the bloggers are still free ... even if the new tech giants defund them and hide them in searches, and censor them. Read and be free.
Self-reliance versus wards of the state ... liberty versus slavery (with or without the chains)
The individual has to develop "self-reliance" to be "free". One can still pledge allegiance to a group, whether state or church, but must have the strength of will to be able to walk away from either. It is not really church versus state, it is individual choice/liberty versus top down control.
It is not time to walk away from either institution perhaps, but fighting for meaningful change requires independence. Institutionalized Religion can go wrong just like Institutionalized (deep) State. The old Soviets worked at gaining control of both pillars of societies, infiltrating the US and probably the Vatican. The Soviets empire "died", but they subversively moved within US.
But the bloggers are still free ... even if the new tech giants defund them and hide them in searches, and censor them. Read and be free.
Posted by: illiniwek at September 17, 2017 09:47 AM (yKAUL)
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Posted by: right wing yankee at September 17, 2017 09:37 AM (26lkV)
After I left Tallahassee I stayed with the mom of some childhood friends in Columbus, Miss. I thought she and her boys were going to die from laughter when they read some of the book.
After I left Tallahassee I stayed with the mom of some childhood friends in Columbus, Miss. I thought she and her boys were going to die from laughter when they read some of the book.
Posted by: Jake Holenhead at September 17, 2017 09:49 AM (T33X5)
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Ret. Buckeye Cop - Ever go to TMP?
Posted by: Skip at September 17, 2017 09:49 AM (ghofu)
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"My prediction is that it will all but be forgotten in a month. Like her other books."
Not if I can help it.
In fact, I've even thoughtfully created some alternative New Yorker covers to replace the one that was scheduled for her coronation.
link in nic.
Not if I can help it.
In fact, I've even thoughtfully created some alternative New Yorker covers to replace the one that was scheduled for her coronation.
link in nic.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at September 17, 2017 09:52 AM (Ndje9)
Posted by: Literally Mein Kampf at September 17, 2017 09:52 AM (2wRtc)
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SO, two books by Michael Connolly, one Bosch (detective) the other Mickey Haller (lawyer). Started with Haller and..put it down. Maybe it's me - my brain wants to turns itself off once it sees legal mambo jumbo. Went to Bosch - "The Wrong Side Goodby". Pretty readable. As in the series, Bosch is pursuing several cases. The title - well, obviously love affair gone wrong, missing heir to a billion dollar fortune, etc. For some reason I expected the books to be like Chandler/Marlow, but they are not - at least the ones I have. Chandlers books (not the greatest piece of literature, granted) feature California and LA pretty prominently. I kind of enjoyed reading them for that reason. The California of old. The setting in Connolly's books is tertiary. It's all Bosch. Still, pretty good read so far. I may give "Haller" a try again, perhaps a different book.
Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 09:53 AM (QC/4S)
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In fact, I've even thoughtfully created some alternative New Yorker
covers to replace the one that was scheduled for her coronation.
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In a bit I'll look up the quote 'arise, fair Sun, and slay the envious Moon' -- because that was the first thought when I saw that cover art. Hillary as the Moon on some other cover was simply gruesome.
covers to replace the one that was scheduled for her coronation.
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In a bit I'll look up the quote 'arise, fair Sun, and slay the envious Moon' -- because that was the first thought when I saw that cover art. Hillary as the Moon on some other cover was simply gruesome.
Posted by: mustbequantum at September 17, 2017 09:54 AM (MIKMs)
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Very funny stuff, Gipper.
Re: the "fist bump" cover, they never understood that that's not how we saw Michelle and Barack, it's how the Left thought we saw Michelle and Barack.
Re: the "fist bump" cover, they never understood that that's not how we saw Michelle and Barack, it's how the Left thought we saw Michelle and Barack.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 17, 2017 09:55 AM (qJtVm)
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OT early, but you will enjoy Rex Reed's destruction of J. Law's latest movie "mother!":
http://observer.com/2017/09/darren-aronofsky-mother-worst-movie-of-the-year/
http://observer.com/2017/09/darren-aronofsky-mother-worst-movie-of-the-year/
Posted by: Sharkman at September 17, 2017 09:56 AM (2BFQK)
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Hillary (or her ghost writer actually) is arguing that Trump is Big Brother, and that true (communist) government is Freedom. Western Civ is the big brother state, and PC Religion will set you free from the white oppression (all slave holder monuments must go).
It is not bad revisionist history ... in that it flips the Orwell message on its head, which is what most of the PC GroupThink does.
It is not bad revisionist history ... in that it flips the Orwell message on its head, which is what most of the PC GroupThink does.
Posted by: illiniwek at September 17, 2017 09:59 AM (yKAUL)
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The book equivalent of Literally Hitler, if you will.
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*cough*
Posted by: Literally Mein Kampf at September 17, 2017 09:52 AM (2wRtc)
LMAO
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*cough*
Posted by: Literally Mein Kampf at September 17, 2017 09:52 AM (2wRtc)
LMAO
Posted by: Aunt Luna at September 17, 2017 10:00 AM (Zd2ZF)
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Jennifer Lawernce is well on her way to becoming the next out of control drunken hollyweird-bred menace. Lindsey Lohan, watch out !
Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 10:00 AM (QC/4S)
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If you're looking for a real paperback book version of Lord of the World, I recommend the Monroe St. Press version with an introduction and some explanatory notes by me... you can find it at www.monroestpress.com on the Science Fiction and Futuristic page. I know it's generally been marketed as a "Catholic" novel but I think it could also qualify as a steampunk novel due to the airships....
Speaking of futuristic novels, I'm currently reading a really obscure one called The Golden Book of Springfield by Vachel Lindsay. It is set in Springfield IL in the year 2018, (was written in 1920) and it is rather bizarre but also poetic in spots. I can see why it never caught on but it's quite trippy to read a utopian novel set in your own town, referencing your literal backyard, in a far flung future that's now only a few months away. I could review it for Teh Horde if anyone is interested.
Speaking of futuristic novels, I'm currently reading a really obscure one called The Golden Book of Springfield by Vachel Lindsay. It is set in Springfield IL in the year 2018, (was written in 1920) and it is rather bizarre but also poetic in spots. I can see why it never caught on but it's quite trippy to read a utopian novel set in your own town, referencing your literal backyard, in a far flung future that's now only a few months away. I could review it for Teh Horde if anyone is interested.
Posted by: Secret Square at September 17, 2017 10:01 AM (9WuX0)
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Just bought two books by an author that a worker at Barnes and Noble told me would be similar to Steven Pressfield.
Conn Iggulden.
Anyone ever read his stuff?
Conn Iggulden.
Anyone ever read his stuff?
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 17, 2017 10:01 AM (zO1cf)
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I'm just wrapping up reading Tom Holland's _Millennium_ now. It's pretty good: a snapshot of Europe in the years up to and after AD 1000.
One thing which is startling to me: how "transnational" Europe was then, and how much people moved around. Harald Sigurdson was heir to the Norwegian throne, but spent years in Novgorod and then served as a mercenary in Byzantium before going home to become Harald Hardrada and meddle in English politics from across the North Sea. And he's just one example. For an era when the only ways to travel were foot, horseback, or incredibly dangerous ships, they sure did get around.
One thing which is startling to me: how "transnational" Europe was then, and how much people moved around. Harald Sigurdson was heir to the Norwegian throne, but spent years in Novgorod and then served as a mercenary in Byzantium before going home to become Harald Hardrada and meddle in English politics from across the North Sea. And he's just one example. For an era when the only ways to travel were foot, horseback, or incredibly dangerous ships, they sure did get around.
Posted by: Trimegistus at September 17, 2017 10:03 AM (YU/Ub)
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I'm reading The Long Fuse by Don Cook, a history covering the period from 1760-1785, analyzing why the British govt lost the colonies.
This is not new ground for me. However, I've been surprised to learn how much power the King still exercised, even 75 years after the Glorious Revolution.
In 1760, the most popular man in America was the British PM. Runnerup was the King. 15 years later? Concord & Lexington. Achieving that in such a short time required the Midas touch in reverse.
Often overlooked in the causation of the Revolutionary War was the British govt's attempt to forbid any American expansion west of the Alleghenies.
This is not new ground for me. However, I've been surprised to learn how much power the King still exercised, even 75 years after the Glorious Revolution.
In 1760, the most popular man in America was the British PM. Runnerup was the King. 15 years later? Concord & Lexington. Achieving that in such a short time required the Midas touch in reverse.
Often overlooked in the causation of the Revolutionary War was the British govt's attempt to forbid any American expansion west of the Alleghenies.
Posted by: mnw at September 17, 2017 10:04 AM (Amey3)
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Relatively new to this place (about a year or so) I read nearly everything available here, including every comment. There are a couple things I simply do not understand. I can not figure out why some randomly throw the word "sock" into things and what in the hell is "nood". Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Posted by: Son of Sam the Butcher at September 17, 2017 10:05 AM (VJBq9)
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A book beg to the Horde - one of my next writing projects is a middle-grade series with a time-traveling watch. The first book will be set in the Spanish Civil War. Any recommendations?
For reading, I'm breaking down old mysteries to see how they got put together. So rereading them first and then analyzing.
On the writing front, I won second place with GTBaH in a small writing contest held by very nice people in Cisco, TX. I know, nice people, Texans, redundant.
For reading, I'm breaking down old mysteries to see how they got put together. So rereading them first and then analyzing.
On the writing front, I won second place with GTBaH in a small writing contest held by very nice people in Cisco, TX. I know, nice people, Texans, redundant.
Posted by: Long Running Fool at September 17, 2017 10:06 AM (oSjOY)
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Jennifer Lawernce is well on her way to becoming the next out of control drunken hollyweird-bred menace. Lindsey Lohan, watch out !
Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 10:00 AM (QC/4S)
I doubt that she'll ever do better than when she was well cast as plucky white trash in playing Ree Dolly in "Winter's Bone".
Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 10:00 AM (QC/4S)
I doubt that she'll ever do better than when she was well cast as plucky white trash in playing Ree Dolly in "Winter's Bone".
Posted by: Captain Hate at September 17, 2017 10:07 AM (y7DUB)
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Those are very funny, Hipper!
Posted by: mnw at September 17, 2017 10:08 AM (Amey3)
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Sock puppets are nic's not normally used ( also goes on a forum I go to). Nood is a new thread.
Posted by: Skip at September 17, 2017 10:08 AM (ghofu)
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@72 yes, interesting. If you dig deep enough, the Russians have very deep Norwegian roots. Helga - Olga, Igor- Ingmar really, Vladimir (The Great) - Valdamar who went back to his Norwegian relations to get the viking army to support his claim to the throne.
Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 10:08 AM (QC/4S)
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should be Gipper
Posted by: mnw at September 17, 2017 10:08 AM (Amey3)
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Posted by: Son of Sam the Butcher at September 17, 2017 10:05 AM (VJBq9)
Mood is bastardized spelling of new to signify that a new post has been put up. Sock is a nic used in place of the regular nic in order to make a point or add to the snark of your post. A Sock is also used by some to hide their identity.
Mood is bastardized spelling of new to signify that a new post has been put up. Sock is a nic used in place of the regular nic in order to make a point or add to the snark of your post. A Sock is also used by some to hide their identity.
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 17, 2017 10:09 AM (zO1cf)
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I doubt that she'll ever do better than when she was well cast as plucky white trash in playing Ree Dolly in "Winter's Bone".
Posted by: Captain Hate
did not see that one - recommend ?
Posted by: Captain Hate
did not see that one - recommend ?
Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 10:10 AM (QC/4S)
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64 In a bit I'll look up the quote 'arise, fair Sun, and slay the envious Moon' -- because that was the first thought when I saw that cover art. Posted by: mustbequantum
I thought of "Goonight, Moon".
I thought of "Goonight, Moon".
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at September 17, 2017 10:10 AM (Ndje9)
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peaking of futuristic novels, I'm currently reading a
really obscure one called The Golden Book of Springfield by Vachel
Lindsay. It is set in Springfield IL in the year 2018, (was written in
1920) and it is rather bizarre but also poetic in spots. I can see why
it never caught on but it's quite trippy to read a utopian novel set in
your own town, referencing your literal backyard, in a far flung future
that's now only a few months away. I could review it for Teh Horde if
anyone is interested. Posted by: Secret Square at September 17, 2017 10:01 AM (9WuX0)
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Vachel Lindsay is one of those really underappreciated poets. 'Daniel in the Lions Den' is absolutely fantastic. Bite, Daniel. Bite him, bite him, bite him. Saw a reading by a black kid of 'The Congo' about 45 years ago. Stunning. Lindsay of course was a poetic mess personally, but his call-response poetry is absolutely awesome.
really obscure one called The Golden Book of Springfield by Vachel
Lindsay. It is set in Springfield IL in the year 2018, (was written in
1920) and it is rather bizarre but also poetic in spots. I can see why
it never caught on but it's quite trippy to read a utopian novel set in
your own town, referencing your literal backyard, in a far flung future
that's now only a few months away. I could review it for Teh Horde if
anyone is interested. Posted by: Secret Square at September 17, 2017 10:01 AM (9WuX0)
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Vachel Lindsay is one of those really underappreciated poets. 'Daniel in the Lions Den' is absolutely fantastic. Bite, Daniel. Bite him, bite him, bite him. Saw a reading by a black kid of 'The Congo' about 45 years ago. Stunning. Lindsay of course was a poetic mess personally, but his call-response poetry is absolutely awesome.
Posted by: mustbequantum at September 17, 2017 10:10 AM (MIKMs)
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"socks" & "trolls" are closely related-- people who post under false flags to promote unpopular views.
Posted by: mnw at September 17, 2017 10:11 AM (Amey3)
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Posted by: Long Running Fool at September 17, 2017 10:06 AM (oSjOY)
Yeah. Don't make the communists out to be heroes like the liberal historians have done. Show both sides evilness.
Yeah. Don't make the communists out to be heroes like the liberal historians have done. Show both sides evilness.
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 17, 2017 10:11 AM (zO1cf)
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After I left Tallahassee I stayed with the mom of
some childhood friends in Columbus, Miss. I thought she and her boys
were going to die from laughter when they read some of the book.
Posted by: Jake Holenhead at September 17, 2017 09:49 AM (T33X5)
Because they related to the stories? I can picture a person reading through it and saying, "Yep, I remember that incident. Ol' Sam was quite a character, wasn't he?" or something of the like.
some childhood friends in Columbus, Miss. I thought she and her boys
were going to die from laughter when they read some of the book.
Posted by: Jake Holenhead at September 17, 2017 09:49 AM (T33X5)
Because they related to the stories? I can picture a person reading through it and saying, "Yep, I remember that incident. Ol' Sam was quite a character, wasn't he?" or something of the like.
Posted by: right wing yankee at September 17, 2017 10:11 AM (26lkV)
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CAPNOMANCY is divination by examining the patterns made by smoke.
******
Smoke Seers - a limerick
Said the capnomancer Charles B. McWhisket
"I predict a juicy, tasty, well-smoked brisket!"
He said, "I hope it suits yer
Looking eight hours in the future
"You can get it here, with two sides...and a biscuit."
******
Smoke Seers - a limerick
Said the capnomancer Charles B. McWhisket
"I predict a juicy, tasty, well-smoked brisket!"
He said, "I hope it suits yer
Looking eight hours in the future
"You can get it here, with two sides...and a biscuit."
Posted by: Muldoon at September 17, 2017 10:11 AM (wPiJc)
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Something I stumbled across at Baen, they are having a little writing contest. Winner gets a signed copy of a book.
http://www.baen.com/contests-september2017
http://www.baen.com/contests-september2017
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 17, 2017 10:11 AM (NkMRl)
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Thank you Skip and Mr. Sock
Posted by: Son of Sam the Butcher at September 17, 2017 10:13 AM (VJBq9)
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65 Very funny stuff, Gipper. Re: the "fist bump" cover, they never understood that that's not how we saw Michelle and Barack, it's how the Left thought we saw Michelle and Barack. Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes
Thanks. The fist-bump cover wasn't how saw the Obamas.
At first.
Thanks. The fist-bump cover wasn't how saw the Obamas.
At first.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at September 17, 2017 10:13 AM (Ndje9)
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Congratulations, Long Running Fool! Second place is nothing to sneeze at.
Posted by: right wing yankee at September 17, 2017 10:14 AM (26lkV)
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Mornin', fellow morons! Noted that EC Williams dropped the long-awaited 4th book in his Westerly Gales series, Assault on Zanzibar. Believe he got caught up in a Pixy ban as I haven't seen him post on a long, long time.
Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at September 17, 2017 10:15 AM (JcFAG)
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Posted by: mnw at September 17, 2017 10:04 AM (Amey3)
What I find interesting is the similarities to the Vietnam War. If Parliment had not forced the King to give up , there would not be any USA. The revolutionaries were about to break.
What I find interesting is the similarities to the Vietnam War. If Parliment had not forced the King to give up , there would not be any USA. The revolutionaries were about to break.
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 17, 2017 10:16 AM (zO1cf)
Posted by: naturalfake at September 17, 2017 10:17 AM (NyJwR)
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MNW's note on _The Long Fuse_ reminded me of something I've been thinking about lately.
George Washington was not a reckless man, by all accounts, and he had quite a bit to lose by participating in the Revolution. Yet he did it.
I haven't seen anyone else cover this, but: did Washington see a path to victory, right from the start? Because he never acted like a man engaged in a doomed struggle. Had he worked out how to fight and win the Revolution when he accepted command? (And was that one reason why he was picked?)
If so, he deserves a hell of a lot more credit as a military genius.
George Washington was not a reckless man, by all accounts, and he had quite a bit to lose by participating in the Revolution. Yet he did it.
I haven't seen anyone else cover this, but: did Washington see a path to victory, right from the start? Because he never acted like a man engaged in a doomed struggle. Had he worked out how to fight and win the Revolution when he accepted command? (And was that one reason why he was picked?)
If so, he deserves a hell of a lot more credit as a military genius.
Posted by: Trimegistus at September 17, 2017 10:19 AM (YU/Ub)
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Yesterday went to our downtown, neighborhood lefty bookstore. Their inventory consists mostly of gay Teen Fiction, revisionist Anti American history and contemporary non fiction screaming about Steve Bannon as the anti Christ, but there is a decent mystery section and they carry a smattering of the classics.
The owner was putting up some kind of display about Banned Books. Which was a refreshingly old style liberal thing to see on her part, especially as the display table of once-banned books included the venerable Huckleberry Finn. But I couldn't resist to comment to her as she was working on the display about "yes, and banned speakers too." To which she didn't seem to have any understanding. I elaborated on how, today, much of the work of censorship seems to be employed in banning certain speakers from speaking at universities. Her response was an "yes I guess so" but in such a way as to indicate that she had either never thought of this before, or still had absolutely no idea what I was talking about.
My basic stance about talking politics with strangers or casual acquaintances is that I won't proselytize but I won't lie to fit your assumptions. That and the occasional target of opportunity.
The owner was putting up some kind of display about Banned Books. Which was a refreshingly old style liberal thing to see on her part, especially as the display table of once-banned books included the venerable Huckleberry Finn. But I couldn't resist to comment to her as she was working on the display about "yes, and banned speakers too." To which she didn't seem to have any understanding. I elaborated on how, today, much of the work of censorship seems to be employed in banning certain speakers from speaking at universities. Her response was an "yes I guess so" but in such a way as to indicate that she had either never thought of this before, or still had absolutely no idea what I was talking about.
My basic stance about talking politics with strangers or casual acquaintances is that I won't proselytize but I won't lie to fit your assumptions. That and the occasional target of opportunity.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at September 17, 2017 10:19 AM (BsGS1)
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Congratulations, Long Running Fool! Second place is nothing to sneeze at.
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The Only Running Footman, mystery by Martha Grimes.
This am seems to be free-association for me.
Congratulations, Long Running Fool! Second place is nothing to sneeze at.
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The Only Running Footman, mystery by Martha Grimes.
This am seems to be free-association for me.
Posted by: mustbequantum at September 17, 2017 10:19 AM (MIKMs)
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*cough*
Posted by: Literally Mein Kampf at September 17, 2017 09:52 AM (2wRtc)
Heh.
Posted by: naturalfake at September 17, 2017 10:17 AM (NyJwR)
Though I guess, Hillary!'s interpretation of "1984".
And Hitler's purpose behind "Mein Kampf" line up pretty much exactly-
as long as they're in power.
Posted by: Literally Mein Kampf at September 17, 2017 09:52 AM (2wRtc)
Heh.
Posted by: naturalfake at September 17, 2017 10:17 AM (NyJwR)
Though I guess, Hillary!'s interpretation of "1984".
And Hitler's purpose behind "Mein Kampf" line up pretty much exactly-
as long as they're in power.
Posted by: naturalfake at September 17, 2017 10:19 AM (NyJwR)
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80 Thanks, mnw. And it was supposed to be "Goodnight".
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at September 17, 2017 10:21 AM (Ndje9)
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Seriously, what kind of fucking retard would pay any price for that corrupt evil bitch's twaddle?
I guess the same fucktards that would shell out 1k to hear her give a speech.
I guess the same fucktards that would shell out 1k to hear her give a speech.
Posted by: Kreplach at September 17, 2017 10:21 AM (kI+nf)
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33 When I ran from Irma I holed up for a few days in Tallahassee where I did some sight seeing and went to several used bookstores. I found this in one of them.
'A Treasury of Southern Folklore' by B.A. Botkin published in 1949. The copy I bought was printed in 1976. If you like folklore then this book is a treasure chest full of neat stuff.
Posted by: Jake Holenhead
Found the 1984 edition on Abebooks. Thanks for the heads-up!
'A Treasury of Southern Folklore' by B.A. Botkin published in 1949. The copy I bought was printed in 1976. If you like folklore then this book is a treasure chest full of neat stuff.
Posted by: Jake Holenhead
Found the 1984 edition on Abebooks. Thanks for the heads-up!
Posted by: Long Running Fool at September 17, 2017 10:22 AM (oSjOY)
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Posted by: Long Running Fool at September 17, 2017 10:06 AM (oSjOY)
If you're asking about a book of the Spanish Civil War, Antony Beevor wrote a good one. A truely nasty war that Hilter and Stalin used as a testing ground for weapons and tactics.
If you're asking about a book of the Spanish Civil War, Antony Beevor wrote a good one. A truely nasty war that Hilter and Stalin used as a testing ground for weapons and tactics.
Posted by: Jake Holenhead at September 17, 2017 10:24 AM (T33X5)
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Except Hillary! has never had to struggle, she went to an Ivy school with the bill being footed by her father who regretted the decision. Then she hooked up with Bill. The only rough spots of her entire adult life are because of Bill, Bimbo eruptions and when he lost the governor's mansion for a bit. She's been on the gravy train for 50 years.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 17, 2017 10:24 AM (NkMRl)
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Libraries are celebrating Banned Book Week next week...
Posted by: scrood at September 17, 2017 10:25 AM (cQdY5)
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I've read Iggulden's Genghis series and enjoyed them very much, but not quite as much a Pressfield's books.
I've read Iggulden's Genghis series and enjoyed them very much, but not quite as much a Pressfield's books.
Posted by: Zoltan at September 17, 2017 10:25 AM (go62B)
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It has been called prophetic by Dale Ahlquist, Joseph Pearce, Pope Benedict XVI and Pope Francis.
?
I thought he was in favor of secular governments telling us what to do. That's like an anti-endorsement.
?
I thought he was in favor of secular governments telling us what to do. That's like an anti-endorsement.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at September 17, 2017 10:25 AM (/qEW2)
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94 Jack
I agree that there are many similarities between the Revolutionary War, and Vietnam. Barbara Tuchman made that point in The Pursuit if Folly, btw.
However, I profoundly disagree that the Americans were about to give up when Parliament abandoned the King. When, exactly, were the Americans about to give up? After Yorktown??? After Saratoga???
In 1777, the British sent a peace delegation, authorized to give the colonials everything they demanded, except for Independence. The Americans turned them down. And that, of course, was over 3 years BEFORE Yorktown.
I agree that there are many similarities between the Revolutionary War, and Vietnam. Barbara Tuchman made that point in The Pursuit if Folly, btw.
However, I profoundly disagree that the Americans were about to give up when Parliament abandoned the King. When, exactly, were the Americans about to give up? After Yorktown??? After Saratoga???
In 1777, the British sent a peace delegation, authorized to give the colonials everything they demanded, except for Independence. The Americans turned them down. And that, of course, was over 3 years BEFORE Yorktown.
Posted by: mnw at September 17, 2017 10:25 AM (Amey3)
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I loved Xenophon's Anabasis (Persian Expedition, Expedition of Cyrus, March of 10,000 -- it is called traditionally Anabasis because that is the name of the first book, "going uphill/inland")
It is a wonderful description of an overwhelming force that pulls together in adversity and fights incessantly when the pressure is off.
I also loved it because Xenophon was not just a head-knocker, he was a bit of a philosopher, and was always curious and reporting on the things that were going on in the world around him and with his troops.
Granted, most of that had to do with the surrounding world and new societies trying to kill him and his men, but he was curious about that as well.
George MacDonald Fraser once mentioned that the Scots only fought in other peoples' wars as an interlude to their eternal struggle against their own true enemy, the Scots; I see this in the repeated collapse of discipline and unity in the Greek forces whenever the pressure was off of them on their march to the Bosphorous and home.
It is a wonderful description of an overwhelming force that pulls together in adversity and fights incessantly when the pressure is off.
I also loved it because Xenophon was not just a head-knocker, he was a bit of a philosopher, and was always curious and reporting on the things that were going on in the world around him and with his troops.
Granted, most of that had to do with the surrounding world and new societies trying to kill him and his men, but he was curious about that as well.
George MacDonald Fraser once mentioned that the Scots only fought in other peoples' wars as an interlude to their eternal struggle against their own true enemy, the Scots; I see this in the repeated collapse of discipline and unity in the Greek forces whenever the pressure was off of them on their march to the Bosphorous and home.
Posted by: Kindltot at September 17, 2017 10:26 AM (Gv+zt)
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Hillary's book will be bought by:
1. School and public libraries (with taxpayer money),
2. Brown-nosing companies and NGOs buying in bulk (with investor/donor money),
3. "Journalists" and reviewers writing sycophantic articles (using company money), and
4. A handful of suckers, mostly late-middle-age women, who still believe her twaddle.
1. School and public libraries (with taxpayer money),
2. Brown-nosing companies and NGOs buying in bulk (with investor/donor money),
3. "Journalists" and reviewers writing sycophantic articles (using company money), and
4. A handful of suckers, mostly late-middle-age women, who still believe her twaddle.
Posted by: Trimegistus at September 17, 2017 10:26 AM (YU/Ub)
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did not see that one - recommend ?
Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 10:10 AM (QC/4S)
Oh God yes; I've somehow convinced people that I'm somewhat knowledgeable about movies, which I mostly hate, based solely on that recommendation. The author of the book on which it's based, Daniel Worrell, is likewise recommended; specifically "Give Us a Kiss".
Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 10:10 AM (QC/4S)
Oh God yes; I've somehow convinced people that I'm somewhat knowledgeable about movies, which I mostly hate, based solely on that recommendation. The author of the book on which it's based, Daniel Worrell, is likewise recommended; specifically "Give Us a Kiss".
Posted by: Captain Hate at September 17, 2017 10:27 AM (y7DUB)
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Banned Book Week ? Wonder what will be on the menu...
Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 10:27 AM (QC/4S)
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Banned Book Week ? Wonder what will be on the menu...
An Inconvenient Truth: Hillary Will Never Be President perhaps???
An Inconvenient Truth: Hillary Will Never Be President perhaps???
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 17, 2017 10:29 AM (NkMRl)
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I'm reading In Search of God and Guinness, by Stephen Mansfield. And I'm finding the book truly fascinating.
It's the history of the Guiness company.
It's the history of the Guiness company.
Posted by: Northernlurker, Still Lurking After All These Years at September 17, 2017 10:29 AM (nBr1j)
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Thanks to Josephistan and Skip for recommending Citizens, a book about the French Revolution. Much appreciated. It is a very interesting book. I find myself going to look at a dictionary or online for definitions of words, though the oddest thing I discovered is that when the author described the entrance of the Third Estate for the Estates General, that he described them as a surly "crocodile of schoolboys" when they entered the hall. Thinking this was something like a murder of crows, it is apparently it was no such thing, instead it is related to some NAMBLA book. Creepy.
Posted by: dIb at September 17, 2017 10:30 AM (VJOLZ)
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Speaking of prophetic books, check this out. Written in the late 19th century, it is the first in a series about a boy born to wealth and privilege who has magical, supernatural advetures and is thought to be an inspiration for The Wizard of Oz. The hero's name: Baron Trump.
https://tinyurl.com/y7ld4p8y
https://tinyurl.com/y7ld4p8y
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doppelganger To the Stars! at September 17, 2017 10:31 AM (Nwg0u)
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An Inconvenient Truth: Hillary Will Never Be President perhaps???
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 17, 2017 10:29 AM (NkMRl)
Hillary's Crimes and Misdemeanors, the life of a female don ?
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 17, 2017 10:29 AM (NkMRl)
Hillary's Crimes and Misdemeanors, the life of a female don ?
Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 10:31 AM (QC/4S)
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Well a crocodile of schoolboys would certainly describe many Demoncrat politicians...
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 17, 2017 10:32 AM (NkMRl)
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RE: Hillary's new book:
The old cliche: "History is the lies told by the victors." (always HATED that saying myself)
The indispensable corollary to that cliche: "And the self-delusions of the vanquished."
Been a helluva long time since only the victors wrote their memoirs!
The old cliche: "History is the lies told by the victors." (always HATED that saying myself)
The indispensable corollary to that cliche: "And the self-delusions of the vanquished."
Been a helluva long time since only the victors wrote their memoirs!
Posted by: mnw at September 17, 2017 10:33 AM (Amey3)
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All the charm, warmth, and curves of a cinder block...
Posted by: t-bird at September 17, 2017 10:33 AM (7ulel)
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Jennifer Lawernce is well on her way to becoming the next out of control drunken hollyweird-bred menace. Lindsey Lohan, watch out !
Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 10:00 AM (QC/4S)
Isn't she the one who gave a hard time to a reporter who asked her a question a couple years ago when she was up for an oscar? Turns out the guy had a speech impediment, and she was really shitty about it to him.
Idiot.
Being pretty and saying other people's words is what you were made for. Nothing more, nothing less. So stop trying to think, you're only hurting yourself.
Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 10:00 AM (QC/4S)
Isn't she the one who gave a hard time to a reporter who asked her a question a couple years ago when she was up for an oscar? Turns out the guy had a speech impediment, and she was really shitty about it to him.
Idiot.
Being pretty and saying other people's words is what you were made for. Nothing more, nothing less. So stop trying to think, you're only hurting yourself.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 17, 2017 10:34 AM (Pz4pT)
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What cracks me up about Hillary!'s "interpretation" of "1984" is-
it just proves the micrometer deep cultural and intellectual processing in most Progs.
She clearly never read "1984". She just heard it described "something bad."
by: naturalfake
Disagree. I think it's the same arrogance as the MSM exhibits. They think they can just assert lies and that people will believe them. That's what gives them a sense of power - they know they are lying, yet they can still control people's minds and get them to believe it.
it just proves the micrometer deep cultural and intellectual processing in most Progs.
She clearly never read "1984". She just heard it described "something bad."
by: naturalfake
Disagree. I think it's the same arrogance as the MSM exhibits. They think they can just assert lies and that people will believe them. That's what gives them a sense of power - they know they are lying, yet they can still control people's minds and get them to believe it.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at September 17, 2017 10:34 AM (/qEW2)
Posted by: Hillary! at September 17, 2017 10:34 AM (7ulel)
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Third Estate for the Estates General, that he described them as a surly "crocodile of schoolboys" when they entered the hall.
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I always heard school groups outside the grounds as a 'crocodile' -- serpentine line. From the Madeline books.
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I always heard school groups outside the grounds as a 'crocodile' -- serpentine line. From the Madeline books.
Posted by: mustbequantum at September 17, 2017 10:35 AM (MIKMs)
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The Little Red Hen teaches us that, without the benevolent hand of government, the greed of the privileged will take from the workers.
- Children's Stories Explained By Grannie Hill
- Children's Stories Explained By Grannie Hill
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doppelganger To the Stars! at September 17, 2017 10:36 AM (Nwg0u)
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Posted by: BurtTC at September 17, 2017 10:34 AM (Pz4pT)
Actually, he was foreign, and was using his phone to help him translate. And she made a big nasty stink about it.
Actually, he was foreign, and was using his phone to help him translate. And she made a big nasty stink about it.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 17, 2017 10:37 AM (Pz4pT)
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Here is an absolutely gorgeous clip of monks singing Gregorian chant:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBwh1OXw6uI
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 17, 2017 09:22 AM (qJtVm)
Heh. Went from listening to monks chanting, to indian (feather) chants, to Scottish bagpipes, and now to John Williams.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBwh1OXw6uI
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 17, 2017 09:22 AM (qJtVm)
Heh. Went from listening to monks chanting, to indian (feather) chants, to Scottish bagpipes, and now to John Williams.
Posted by: Jake Holenhead at September 17, 2017 10:37 AM (T33X5)
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I remember when I was a kid the Jehovah's Witnesses predicting Armageddon would occur in 1975.
Didnt turn out they were right, but it was still a pretty crappy year.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 17, 2017 07:54 AM (EZebt)
Kid: Grampa, why do Italians hate Jehovas Witnesses?
Grampa: *Marlon Brando's Godfather voice...* "Kid, 'cause Italians hate any witnesses!
*rimshot*
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Didnt turn out they were right, but it was still a pretty crappy year.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 17, 2017 07:54 AM (EZebt)
Kid: Grampa, why do Italians hate Jehovas Witnesses?
Grampa: *Marlon Brando's Godfather voice...* "Kid, 'cause Italians hate any witnesses!
*rimshot*
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at September 17, 2017 10:37 AM (MGCfm)
129
Isn't she the one who gave a hard time to a reporter
who asked her a question a couple years ago when she was up for an
oscar? Turns out the guy had a speech impediment, and she was really
shitty about it to him.
Idiot.
Being pretty and saying other people's words is what you were made
for. Nothing more, nothing less. So stop trying to think, you're only
hurting yourself.
Posted by: BurtTC
Yes, I heard that story. Gotta disagree with you on the "pretty", just average with extra layer of "photogenocity". Many faces like that. They are all interchangeable.
who asked her a question a couple years ago when she was up for an
oscar? Turns out the guy had a speech impediment, and she was really
shitty about it to him.
Idiot.
Being pretty and saying other people's words is what you were made
for. Nothing more, nothing less. So stop trying to think, you're only
hurting yourself.
Posted by: BurtTC
Yes, I heard that story. Gotta disagree with you on the "pretty", just average with extra layer of "photogenocity". Many faces like that. They are all interchangeable.
Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 10:37 AM (QC/4S)
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Jennifer Lawernce is well on her way to becoming the next out of
control drunken hollyweird-bred menace. Lindsey Lohan, watch out !
Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 10:00 AM (QC/4S)
I doubt that she'll ever do better than when she was well cast as plucky white trash in playing Ree Dolly in "Winter's Bone".
Lawrence's degeneracy is indeed sad. Particularly so since, just after she hit the big time with Hunger Games, she gave an interview where she said she had to think really hard about whether she wanted to accept the part in a big-budget film, because she knew it would change her life forever. I thought that was a very wise thought in one so young. Pity she now appears to be pissing it all away.
control drunken hollyweird-bred menace. Lindsey Lohan, watch out !
Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 10:00 AM (QC/4S)
I doubt that she'll ever do better than when she was well cast as plucky white trash in playing Ree Dolly in "Winter's Bone".
Lawrence's degeneracy is indeed sad. Particularly so since, just after she hit the big time with Hunger Games, she gave an interview where she said she had to think really hard about whether she wanted to accept the part in a big-budget film, because she knew it would change her life forever. I thought that was a very wise thought in one so young. Pity she now appears to be pissing it all away.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 17, 2017 10:38 AM (Z76KH)
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92 Congratulations, Long Running Fool! Second place is nothing to sneeze at.
Posted by: right wing yankee
I'm tickled. It's the first time I've tried entering a contest. Made some mistakes on formatting which didn't help the cause. Still, got some really nice comments back and some really good critical feedback so I can get better.
I was hoping to meet the folks when I go to Dallas a week from now but they're all scattering in a lot of different directions.
Posted by: right wing yankee
I'm tickled. It's the first time I've tried entering a contest. Made some mistakes on formatting which didn't help the cause. Still, got some really nice comments back and some really good critical feedback so I can get better.
I was hoping to meet the folks when I go to Dallas a week from now but they're all scattering in a lot of different directions.
Posted by: Long Running Fool at September 17, 2017 10:39 AM (oSjOY)
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What cracks me up about Hillary!'s "interpretation" of "1984" is-
it just proves themicrometer micron- deep cultural and intellectual processing in most Progs.
Fixed it for those of us who use micrometers as instruments at work.
it just proves the
Fixed it for those of us who use micrometers as instruments at work.
Posted by: t-bird at September 17, 2017 10:39 AM (BsIi9)
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Hollywood has a strange way of wrecking people. It seems very few people make it out of there without being warped or damaged in some way.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 17, 2017 10:40 AM (NWiLs)
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Romeo and Juliet, Act II, Scene 2.
Arise, fair sun, and kill the envious moon,
Who is already sick and pale with grief,
That thou, her maid, art far more fair than she.
Be not her maid since she is envious.
Her vestal livery is but sick and green,
And none but fools do wear it. Cast it off!
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'Be not her maid since she is envious . . . Cast it off!' Yup. Hillary.
Arise, fair sun, and kill the envious moon,
Who is already sick and pale with grief,
That thou, her maid, art far more fair than she.
Be not her maid since she is envious.
Her vestal livery is but sick and green,
And none but fools do wear it. Cast it off!
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'Be not her maid since she is envious . . . Cast it off!' Yup. Hillary.
Posted by: mustbequantum at September 17, 2017 10:40 AM (MIKMs)
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The Wizard of Oz teaches us that it can be harmful to look to closely behind the curtain at our leaders' lives and that awarding a bunch of faux awards is just as good as actual accomplishment.
- Children's Stories Explained By Grannie Hill
- Children's Stories Explained By Grannie Hill
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doppelganger To the Stars! at September 17, 2017 10:40 AM (Nwg0u)
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MNW's note on _The Long Fuse_ reminded me of something I've been thinking about lately.
George Washington was not a reckless man, by all accounts, and he
had quite a bit to lose by participating in the Revolution. Yet he did
it.
I haven't seen anyone else cover this, but: did Washington see a
path to victory, right from the start? Because he never acted like a man
engaged in a doomed struggle. Had he worked out how to fight and win
the Revolution when he accepted command? (And was that one reason why he
was picked?)
If so, he deserves a hell of a lot more credit as a military genius.
Posted by: Trimegistus at September 17, 2017 10:19 AM (YU/Ub)
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It's certainly possible. He knew from his experiences in the French and Indian War that the British officer class was arrogant as all hell and underestimated their opponents. He also knew that they would be at the ass end of a very long supply line. Finally, he knew he would have a shitload of land to play with, allowing him to set the terms of any engagement. All he had to do was remain elusive and hit the Brits when the opportunity presented itself, allowing a propaganda victory that drew other powers into the war.
MNW's note on _The Long Fuse_ reminded me of something I've been thinking about lately.
George Washington was not a reckless man, by all accounts, and he
had quite a bit to lose by participating in the Revolution. Yet he did
it.
I haven't seen anyone else cover this, but: did Washington see a
path to victory, right from the start? Because he never acted like a man
engaged in a doomed struggle. Had he worked out how to fight and win
the Revolution when he accepted command? (And was that one reason why he
was picked?)
If so, he deserves a hell of a lot more credit as a military genius.
Posted by: Trimegistus at September 17, 2017 10:19 AM (YU/Ub)
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It's certainly possible. He knew from his experiences in the French and Indian War that the British officer class was arrogant as all hell and underestimated their opponents. He also knew that they would be at the ass end of a very long supply line. Finally, he knew he would have a shitload of land to play with, allowing him to set the terms of any engagement. All he had to do was remain elusive and hit the Brits when the opportunity presented itself, allowing a propaganda victory that drew other powers into the war.
Posted by: Jackal at September 17, 2017 10:41 AM (o3+fQ)
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I cut that last comment at 114 earlier than I intended to.
To continue, because I'm on the mood to drone on and on:
Company founder Arthur Guinness was a devout Christian, who was Church of Ireland but deeply affected by John Wesley.
There doesn't seem to be any evidence he was directly motivated by his faith to create a beer that would be a healthier alternative to the gin which was seriously hurting the Irish poor. But it did, apparently have that effect. Factoid: in the early 1700s one in six houses in Dublin was a gin-house. Many had a sign advertizing "drunk for a penny, unconscious for two pennies."
Another factoid: according to Mansfield the Indian who met the Pilgrim fathers spoke English. Among his first words were a request for beer.
There was a strong relationship between beer and the church. St Patrick had a personal brewmaster.
Guinness discovered, or developed, or first exploited re-usable yeast. So the Guinness you might enjoy today has a direct relationship to Guinness brewed in 1800.
My former sales manager is Irish. He says Irish hospitals prescribe Guinness for patients.
I've never personally developed a taste for stouts, including Guinness.
Drone over.
To continue, because I'm on the mood to drone on and on:
Company founder Arthur Guinness was a devout Christian, who was Church of Ireland but deeply affected by John Wesley.
There doesn't seem to be any evidence he was directly motivated by his faith to create a beer that would be a healthier alternative to the gin which was seriously hurting the Irish poor. But it did, apparently have that effect. Factoid: in the early 1700s one in six houses in Dublin was a gin-house. Many had a sign advertizing "drunk for a penny, unconscious for two pennies."
Another factoid: according to Mansfield the Indian who met the Pilgrim fathers spoke English. Among his first words were a request for beer.
There was a strong relationship between beer and the church. St Patrick had a personal brewmaster.
Guinness discovered, or developed, or first exploited re-usable yeast. So the Guinness you might enjoy today has a direct relationship to Guinness brewed in 1800.
My former sales manager is Irish. He says Irish hospitals prescribe Guinness for patients.
I've never personally developed a taste for stouts, including Guinness.
Drone over.
Posted by: Northernlurker, Still Lurking After All These Years at September 17, 2017 10:41 AM (nBr1j)
138
The old cliche: "History is the lies told by the victors." (always HATED that saying myself)
The indispensable corollary to that cliche: "And the self-delusions of the vanquished."
Been a helluva long time since only the victors wrote their memoirs!
Posted by: mnw at September 17, 2017 10:33 AM (Amey3)
Speaking of, I want to thank whoever it was here who recommended Carlo D'Este's "Decision in Normandy." I'm about a third of the way through, and it's clear he had the same reaction I did to some of the other books about D-Day and the battles in Normandy, in that there is SO much Monty worship out there, and so much where the Brits in their insecurity want to tell a story about how great they were, and how naive to war the Americans were, with the Brits doing no wrong, and the Americans having it easy because of how awesome they were.
D'Este is obviously willing to dig through the records, and not just accept the whitewashed versions, where Monty's turds smell of rose pedals and chocolate truffles.
The indispensable corollary to that cliche: "And the self-delusions of the vanquished."
Been a helluva long time since only the victors wrote their memoirs!
Posted by: mnw at September 17, 2017 10:33 AM (Amey3)
Speaking of, I want to thank whoever it was here who recommended Carlo D'Este's "Decision in Normandy." I'm about a third of the way through, and it's clear he had the same reaction I did to some of the other books about D-Day and the battles in Normandy, in that there is SO much Monty worship out there, and so much where the Brits in their insecurity want to tell a story about how great they were, and how naive to war the Americans were, with the Brits doing no wrong, and the Americans having it easy because of how awesome they were.
D'Este is obviously willing to dig through the records, and not just accept the whitewashed versions, where Monty's turds smell of rose pedals and chocolate truffles.
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Hollywood has a strange way of wrecking people. It seems very few people make it out of there without being warped or damaged in some way.
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Same wirh D.C.
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Same wirh D.C.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doppelganger To the Stars! at September 17, 2017 10:42 AM (Nwg0u)
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Gipper
RE: Arise Moon...
My first guess was Romeo and Juliet, but my confidence level was about 12%.
Blind pig meets acorn.
RE: Arise Moon...
My first guess was Romeo and Juliet, but my confidence level was about 12%.
Blind pig meets acorn.
Posted by: mnw at September 17, 2017 10:43 AM (Amey3)
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96 did Washington see a path to victory, right from the start? Because he never acted like a man engaged in a doomed struggle. Had he worked out how to fight and win the Revolution when he accepted command? (And was that one reason why he was picked?) If so, he deserves a hell of a lot more credit as a military genius. Posted by: Trimegistus
Failure meant the gallows. Clearly they thought it risky, yet they stepped out in faith, pledging their 'lives, fortunes and sacred honor'.
Washington also had a sense of protection. Of the French and Indian War (which he started!), he recounted:
"When we came there, we were attacked by a party of French and Indians...The Virginia troops showed a good deal of bravery, and were nearly all killed; for I believe, out of three companies that were there, scarcely thirty men are left alive. Captain Peyrouny, and all his officers down to a corporal, were killed. Captain Polson had nearly as hard a fate, for only one of his was left. ...I luckily escaped without a wound, though I had four bullets through my coat, and two horses shot under me."--a 23 year-old American Militia colonel, Geo. Washington, describes the Battle of Fort Duquesne, July 9, 1755.
Many years later, an Indian chief sought out Washington. The chief told him that he and his warriors had exerted themselves mightily, yet in vain, to kill Washington during that battle: "We felt that some Manitou guarded your life and we believed you could not be killed." Washington later told his brother "By the all-powerful dispensations of Providence, I have been protected beyond all human probability or expectation. Death was levelling my companions on every side."
Details? No. Destiny? You have to say yes.
Failure meant the gallows. Clearly they thought it risky, yet they stepped out in faith, pledging their 'lives, fortunes and sacred honor'.
Washington also had a sense of protection. Of the French and Indian War (which he started!), he recounted:
"When we came there, we were attacked by a party of French and Indians...The Virginia troops showed a good deal of bravery, and were nearly all killed; for I believe, out of three companies that were there, scarcely thirty men are left alive. Captain Peyrouny, and all his officers down to a corporal, were killed. Captain Polson had nearly as hard a fate, for only one of his was left. ...I luckily escaped without a wound, though I had four bullets through my coat, and two horses shot under me."--a 23 year-old American Militia colonel, Geo. Washington, describes the Battle of Fort Duquesne, July 9, 1755.
Many years later, an Indian chief sought out Washington. The chief told him that he and his warriors had exerted themselves mightily, yet in vain, to kill Washington during that battle: "We felt that some Manitou guarded your life and we believed you could not be killed." Washington later told his brother "By the all-powerful dispensations of Providence, I have been protected beyond all human probability or expectation. Death was levelling my companions on every side."
Details? No. Destiny? You have to say yes.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at September 17, 2017 10:44 AM (Ndje9)
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it just proves themicrometer micron angstrom-deep cultural and intellectual processing in most Progs.
Improved.
it just proves the
Improved.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 17, 2017 10:44 AM (fEaGb)
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Monty's one shining moment was digging in and rebuilding 8th Army to defeat Rommel. Everything else he did in the war it seemed was his arrogance talking. And then there was Operation Market Garden
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 17, 2017 10:45 AM (NkMRl)
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Hard to walk away. Need character for that. Speaking of, Brigitte Bardot, "BB". Said will walk away as soon as her fans or her mirror will tell her to. Did just that. At the height of her fame. Later said that if she did not do that, would have ended up like Merlin Monroe or Ronnie Schneider.
Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 10:45 AM (QC/4S)
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there is SO much Monty worship out there, and so much where the Brits in their insecurity want to tell a story about how great they were, and how naive to war the Americans were,
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Monty loved to tell how he rescued the poor, stupid yanks at the Battle of the Bulge.
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Monty loved to tell how he rescued the poor, stupid yanks at the Battle of the Bulge.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doppelganger To the Stars! at September 17, 2017 10:45 AM (Nwg0u)
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mustbequantum at September 17, 2017 10:35 AM (MIKMs)
Thanks, I was hoping it was something innocuous. I wasn't willing to dig to deep into that stuff.
Thanks, I was hoping it was something innocuous. I wasn't willing to dig to deep into that stuff.
Posted by: dIb at September 17, 2017 10:45 AM (VJOLZ)
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Posted by: BurtTC
Yes, I heard that story. Gotta disagree with you on the "pretty", just average with extra layer of "photogenocity". Many faces like that. They are all interchangeable.
Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 10:37 AM (QC/4S)
Most Hollowwood actresses are NOT stunningly beautiful. I chose that word, pretty, specifically to mean essentially how you describe her.
Yes, I heard that story. Gotta disagree with you on the "pretty", just average with extra layer of "photogenocity". Many faces like that. They are all interchangeable.
Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 10:37 AM (QC/4S)
Most Hollowwood actresses are NOT stunningly beautiful. I chose that word, pretty, specifically to mean essentially how you describe her.
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82 I doubt that she'll ever do better than when she was well cast as plucky white trash in playing Ree Dolly in "Winter's Bone".
Posted by: Captain Hate
did not see that one - recommend ?
Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 10:10 AM (QC/4S)
Yes, I recommend Winter's Bone.
Posted by: Captain Hate
did not see that one - recommend ?
Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 10:10 AM (QC/4S)
Yes, I recommend Winter's Bone.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 17, 2017 10:46 AM (Z76KH)
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Yes, Vachel Lindsay is a very underrated American poet. He's also the second most famous person to come from Springfield--he was born, raised and died here and his family home is a state historic site. The home originally belonged to Clark and Ann Todd Smith, brother and sister in-laws of the first most famous Springfield resident (A. Lincoln).
Lindsay is also one of those writers who has fallen out of favor with the PC/SJW crowd because of his alleged racism and cultural appropriation in poems like "The Congo" but he was actually quite liberal on race issues for his time. If you've ever seen "Dead Poets Society" the poem being read in the cave scene is "The Congo".
Lindsay is also one of those writers who has fallen out of favor with the PC/SJW crowd because of his alleged racism and cultural appropriation in poems like "The Congo" but he was actually quite liberal on race issues for his time. If you've ever seen "Dead Poets Society" the poem being read in the cave scene is "The Congo".
Posted by: Secret Square at September 17, 2017 10:47 AM (9WuX0)
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I've never personally developed a taste for stouts, including Guinness.
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oh yes, long long relationship between the church and beer brewing. now, the stout situation. I bet it's the temperature. Many public houses serve stouts at the outrages 32F. That is not right !
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oh yes, long long relationship between the church and beer brewing. now, the stout situation. I bet it's the temperature. Many public houses serve stouts at the outrages 32F. That is not right !
Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 10:48 AM (QC/4S)
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103 Posted by: Long Running Fool at September 17, 2017 10:06 AM (oSjOY)
If you're asking about a book of the Spanish Civil War, Antony Beevor wrote a good one. A truely nasty war that Hilter and Stalin used as a testing ground for weapons and tactics.
Posted by: Jake Holenhead
Looks like he wrote two (or re-named it.) Thanks for the rec - ordered.
If you're asking about a book of the Spanish Civil War, Antony Beevor wrote a good one. A truely nasty war that Hilter and Stalin used as a testing ground for weapons and tactics.
Posted by: Jake Holenhead
Looks like he wrote two (or re-named it.) Thanks for the rec - ordered.
Posted by: Long Running Fool at September 17, 2017 10:48 AM (oSjOY)
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there is SO much Monty worship out there, and so much where the Brits in
their insecurity want to tell a story about how great they were, and
how naive to war the Americans were,
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Monty loved to tell how he rescued the poor, stupid yanks at the Battle of the Bulge.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doppelganger To the Stars! at September 17, 2017 10:45 AM (Nwg0u)
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Huh. That's not how I remember it...
there is SO much Monty worship out there, and so much where the Brits in
their insecurity want to tell a story about how great they were, and
how naive to war the Americans were,
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Monty loved to tell how he rescued the poor, stupid yanks at the Battle of the Bulge.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doppelganger To the Stars! at September 17, 2017 10:45 AM (Nwg0u)
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Huh. That's not how I remember it...
Posted by: Zombie General Patton at September 17, 2017 10:48 AM (o3+fQ)
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140 RE: Arise Moon... My first guess was Romeo and Juliet, but my confidence level was about 12%. Blind pig meets acorn. Posted by: mnw
Romeo and Juliet. and Monica. and Kathleen. and Paula. and a thousand Russian pros since then.
Romeo and Juliet. and Monica. and Kathleen. and Paula. and a thousand Russian pros since then.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at September 17, 2017 10:48 AM (Ndje9)
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I'll add Winter's Bone to my movie viewing queue !
Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 10:49 AM (QC/4S)
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Ret. Buckeye Cop - Ever go to TMP?
Posted by: Skip at September 17, 2017 09:49 AM (ghofu)
Hi Skip, sorry for the late reply but the lovely Mrs. Cop was cracking the whip and I, as her willing [sex] slave, had to go cut the grass.
I don't recognize the acronym, so I'm going to have to say no. Is that a particular game convention?
Posted by: Skip at September 17, 2017 09:49 AM (ghofu)
Hi Skip, sorry for the late reply but the lovely Mrs. Cop was cracking the whip and I, as her willing [sex] slave, had to go cut the grass.
I don't recognize the acronym, so I'm going to have to say no. Is that a particular game convention?
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at September 17, 2017 10:49 AM (5Yee7)
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/outrageous/ lol
Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 10:50 AM (QC/4S)
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@147 gotcha
Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 10:50 AM (QC/4S)
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Hollywood in four words - "Vanity, all is vanity."
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 17, 2017 10:51 AM (NkMRl)
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Read Nigel Hamilton's 3-volume biography of Monty and through Hamilton's sycophantic treatment of his subject it becomes clear that Monty should have topped out at GOC 8th Army. He was ill-suited for any role requiring working with allies whose strategic vision was different from his.
Read Nigel Hamilton's 3-volume biography of Monty and through Hamilton's sycophantic treatment of his subject it becomes clear that Monty should have topped out at GOC 8th Army. He was ill-suited for any role requiring working with allies whose strategic vision was different from his.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 17, 2017 10:52 AM (CSMDm)
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Monty's one shining moment was digging in and rebuilding 8th Army to defeat Rommel. Everything else he did in the war it seemed was his arrogance talking. And then there was Operation Market Garden
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Eisenhower's historian son, John, claimed his father OKed Market Garden so Monty would fall on his face, shut up, and let Eisenhower get on with winning the war. I don't believe that and hope that it is not true. If it is true, it didn't work. Nothing could shut Monty's mouth.
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Eisenhower's historian son, John, claimed his father OKed Market Garden so Monty would fall on his face, shut up, and let Eisenhower get on with winning the war. I don't believe that and hope that it is not true. If it is true, it didn't work. Nothing could shut Monty's mouth.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doppelganger To the Stars! at September 17, 2017 10:52 AM (Nwg0u)
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In last week's thread, Jack Sock recommended Armor by John Steakley as "one of my all time favorite books. Mainly because of the opening chapters which are the most engrossing I've ever read."
I bought that and finished it this week. I'm a sic-fi fan and enjoyed it quite a bit. The battle scenes from the soldier's point of view were amazing.
I bought that and finished it this week. I'm a sic-fi fan and enjoyed it quite a bit. The battle scenes from the soldier's point of view were amazing.
Posted by: Elinor, Who Usually Looks Lurkily at September 17, 2017 10:53 AM (NqQAS)
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150 I've never personally developed a taste for stouts, including Guinness.
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oh yes, long long relationship between the church and beer brewing. now, the stout situation. I bet it's the temperature. Many public houses serve stouts at the outrages 32F. That is not right !
Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 10:48 AM (QC/4S)
My former manager insists Guinness needs to be served at a precise temperature, which I don't remember.
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oh yes, long long relationship between the church and beer brewing. now, the stout situation. I bet it's the temperature. Many public houses serve stouts at the outrages 32F. That is not right !
Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 10:48 AM (QC/4S)
My former manager insists Guinness needs to be served at a precise temperature, which I don't remember.
Posted by: Northernlurker, Still Lurking After All These Years at September 17, 2017 10:53 AM (nBr1j)
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I am a fan of Michael Kelly, but let us not forget that he was a vociferous defender of Stephen Glass at The New Republic.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2017 10:53 AM (wYseH)
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Be seeing you soon J-Law.
Posted by: Philip Seymour Hoffman at September 17, 2017 10:53 AM (7Q3RO)
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I can not figure out why some randomly throw the word "sock" into things and what in the hell is "nood". Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Posted by: Son of Sam the Butcher at September 17, 2017 10:05 AM (VJBq9)
"Nood" = 'new' and is usually used to announce the appearance of a new thread.
"Sock" is short for "sock puppet" which is a term used to describe a moron who posts a comment not under his usual nic, but some other name, usually a politician, actor, or dead guy.
Posted by: Son of Sam the Butcher at September 17, 2017 10:05 AM (VJBq9)
"Nood" = 'new' and is usually used to announce the appearance of a new thread.
"Sock" is short for "sock puppet" which is a term used to describe a moron who posts a comment not under his usual nic, but some other name, usually a politician, actor, or dead guy.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 17, 2017 10:54 AM (Z76KH)
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Monty's one shining moment was digging in and rebuilding 8th Army to defeat Rommel. Everything else he did in the war it seemed was his arrogance talking. And then there was Operation Market Garden
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 17, 2017 10:45 AM (NkMRl)
Monty loved to tell how he rescued the poor, stupid yanks at the Battle of the Bulge.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doppelganger To the Stars! at September 17, 2017 10:45 AM (Nwg0u)
SPOILER ALERTS, PEOPLE!!
Just kidding. I'm not sure, but I suspect this book is going to end the narrative long before 1944, but if he does get into it, I'm going to trust his version of events.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 17, 2017 10:45 AM (NkMRl)
Monty loved to tell how he rescued the poor, stupid yanks at the Battle of the Bulge.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doppelganger To the Stars! at September 17, 2017 10:45 AM (Nwg0u)
SPOILER ALERTS, PEOPLE!!
Just kidding. I'm not sure, but I suspect this book is going to end the narrative long before 1944, but if he does get into it, I'm going to trust his version of events.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 17, 2017 10:55 AM (Pz4pT)
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Monty wanted to end the war in 1944. Thus Market Garden. Had he stuck to his knitting and cleared the approaches to Antwerp when there was one German division opposing him there, it might have happened.
Monty wanted to end the war in 1944. Thus Market Garden. Had he stuck to his knitting and cleared the approaches to Antwerp when there was one German division opposing him there, it might have happened.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 17, 2017 10:55 AM (CSMDm)
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RE: Washington as supreme military commander:
You could write a BOOK about that... and add it to the several hundred already written.
My own random thoughts:
1). He damn near lost the Continental Army TWICE right at the beginning. The LAST place that embryonic little military force needed to be was... on an island!
2) This is hardly original thinking on my part, but his greatest military virtue was his dogged persistence-- his ability to muddle through, improvise, & stay in the field.
A little joke of my own invention: Who was the best American general in the Revolutionary War? Who was the best British general in the War?
("Benedict Arnold" is the answer to both questions.)
You could write a BOOK about that... and add it to the several hundred already written.
My own random thoughts:
1). He damn near lost the Continental Army TWICE right at the beginning. The LAST place that embryonic little military force needed to be was... on an island!
2) This is hardly original thinking on my part, but his greatest military virtue was his dogged persistence-- his ability to muddle through, improvise, & stay in the field.
A little joke of my own invention: Who was the best American general in the Revolutionary War? Who was the best British general in the War?
("Benedict Arnold" is the answer to both questions.)
Posted by: mnw at September 17, 2017 10:56 AM (Amey3)
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"Sock" is short for "sock puppet" which is a term used to describe a moron who posts a comment not under his usual nic, but some other name, usually a politician, actor, or dead guy.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 17, 2017 10:54 AM (Z76KH)
I will not tolerate these scurrilous accusations! Good day to you, sir! I said good DAY!!
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 17, 2017 10:54 AM (Z76KH)
I will not tolerate these scurrilous accusations! Good day to you, sir! I said good DAY!!
Posted by: Gleen Grenwald at September 17, 2017 10:56 AM (NWiLs)
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A book beg to the Horde - one of my next writing
projects is a middle-grade series with a time-traveling watch. The first
book will be set in the Spanish Civil War. Any recommendations?
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Posted by: Long Running Fool at September 17, 2017 10:06 AM (oSjOY)
There are a lot of books out there, but do be careful to avoid the hagiographies and the noble struggle books. A lot of them were written to celebrate people and ideologies, and there are a lot of those books, I think because in a way it was so easy since the actual facts got lost in a world war, and everyone involved had a reason to cover up what happened.
Two books for suggestion, The Spanish Civil War by Frances Lannon gives a good 10,000 foot view and a decent timeline of events, it seems to have the facts in line;
and Homage to Catalonia by George Orwell, because that talks about the Anarchist militias' situation on the lines, and he talks about the riots that led up to the purging of the Anarchists by the Communists. Homage is a good ground-level view of the streets and the trenches, and shows a lot of the problems that made the Spanish Civil war the bloody shambles it turned out to be. It also misses a good bit of the forest for the trees, and Orwell was quite ill and injured so he didn't follow up on things.
I, of course, am endlessly fascinated with the Spanish arms industry, where the arms of so many nations were made in little more than bicycle shops.
And the funny hats with the bobbles.
projects is a middle-grade series with a time-traveling watch. The first
book will be set in the Spanish Civil War. Any recommendations?
[. . .]
Posted by: Long Running Fool at September 17, 2017 10:06 AM (oSjOY)
There are a lot of books out there, but do be careful to avoid the hagiographies and the noble struggle books. A lot of them were written to celebrate people and ideologies, and there are a lot of those books, I think because in a way it was so easy since the actual facts got lost in a world war, and everyone involved had a reason to cover up what happened.
Two books for suggestion, The Spanish Civil War by Frances Lannon gives a good 10,000 foot view and a decent timeline of events, it seems to have the facts in line;
and Homage to Catalonia by George Orwell, because that talks about the Anarchist militias' situation on the lines, and he talks about the riots that led up to the purging of the Anarchists by the Communists. Homage is a good ground-level view of the streets and the trenches, and shows a lot of the problems that made the Spanish Civil war the bloody shambles it turned out to be. It also misses a good bit of the forest for the trees, and Orwell was quite ill and injured so he didn't follow up on things.
I, of course, am endlessly fascinated with the Spanish arms industry, where the arms of so many nations were made in little more than bicycle shops.
And the funny hats with the bobbles.
Posted by: Kindltot at September 17, 2017 10:57 AM (Gv+zt)
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Most Hollowwood actresses are NOT stunningly
beautiful.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 17, 2017 10:46 AM (Pz4pT)
Most of us would look pretty good with the amount of work they do to look the way they do.
trainers, stylists, makeup artists, walking coaches (seriously)....
beautiful.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 17, 2017 10:46 AM (Pz4pT)
Most of us would look pretty good with the amount of work they do to look the way they do.
trainers, stylists, makeup artists, walking coaches (seriously)....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2017 10:57 AM (wYseH)
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I've read Iggulden's Genghis series and enjoyed them very much, but not quite as much a Pressfield's books.
Posted by: Zoltan at September 17, 2017 10:25 AM (go62B)
Thanks
Posted by: mnw at September 17, 2017 10:25 AM (Amey3)
This is where it's similar to Iraq. If Britain had implemented 'a surge' , Washington would not have been able to meet that threat.
I've read Iggulden's Genghis series and enjoyed them very much, but not quite as much a Pressfield's books.
Posted by: Zoltan at September 17, 2017 10:25 AM (go62B)
Thanks
Posted by: mnw at September 17, 2017 10:25 AM (Amey3)
This is where it's similar to Iraq. If Britain had implemented 'a surge' , Washington would not have been able to meet that threat.
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 17, 2017 10:57 AM (zO1cf)
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My former manager insists Guinness needs to be served at a precise temperature, which I don't remember.
Posted by: Northernlurker, Still Lurking After All These Years at September 17, 2017 10:53 AM (nBr1j)
my research tells me - "cellar temperature", 55-63F is what it is in Ireland.
Posted by: Northernlurker, Still Lurking After All These Years at September 17, 2017 10:53 AM (nBr1j)
my research tells me - "cellar temperature", 55-63F is what it is in Ireland.
Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 10:57 AM (QC/4S)
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Market Garden committed a lot of resources, starting with an airlift larger than what occurred in the early hours of 6 June. But the risk to American forces was minimal, it was a truly British effort that landed paras atop panzers and XXX Corps not having a sense of urgency. It was truly a horrible affair for the British and Polish soldiers.
One wonders if Stalin smiled when he learned how many troublesome Poles had been killed in this operation.
One wonders if Stalin smiled when he learned how many troublesome Poles had been killed in this operation.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 17, 2017 10:58 AM (NkMRl)
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trainers, stylists, makeup artists, walking coaches (seriously)....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2017 10:57 AM (wYseH)
Your lef'. Your lef'. Your lef' right lef'.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2017 10:57 AM (wYseH)
Your lef'. Your lef'. Your lef' right lef'.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 17, 2017 10:59 AM (NWiLs)
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Read Nigel Hamilton's 3-volume biography of Monty and through Hamilton's sycophantic treatment of his subject it becomes clear that Monty should have topped out at GOC 8th Army. He was ill-suited for any role requiring working with allies whose strategic vision was different from his.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 17, 2017 10:52 AM (CSMDm)
No thanks. It's sad to see in broader terms, how the Brits are hellbent on claiming as much glory for themselves as they can, post-war, because really, everything we've seen of that once great nation since that war is a devastatingly steady decline.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 17, 2017 10:52 AM (CSMDm)
No thanks. It's sad to see in broader terms, how the Brits are hellbent on claiming as much glory for themselves as they can, post-war, because really, everything we've seen of that once great nation since that war is a devastatingly steady decline.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 17, 2017 10:59 AM (Pz4pT)
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I haven't seen anyone else cover this, but: did Washington see a path to victory, right from the start? ... If so, he deserves a hell of a lot more credit as a military genius.
Posted by: Trimegistus
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"Pick your battles" is timeless wisdom. Often overlooked is "Timing is everything."
Britain put a lot into its wars against France. 1775 was a good time to start a fight against Britain. 1812 was even better.
Posted by: Trimegistus
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"Pick your battles" is timeless wisdom. Often overlooked is "Timing is everything."
Britain put a lot into its wars against France. 1775 was a good time to start a fight against Britain. 1812 was even better.
Posted by: FireHorse at September 17, 2017 11:01 AM (zkGZ8)
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This is hardly original thinking on my part, but his greatest military virtue was his dogged persistence-- his ability to muddle through, improvise, & stay in the field.
Posted by: mnw at September 17, 2017 10:56 AM (Amey3)
The British often referred to George Washington as something along the lines of "that damned Grey Fox" in ironic praise of his ability to wriggle out of traps and continue to evade the British Army.
Posted by: mnw at September 17, 2017 10:56 AM (Amey3)
The British often referred to George Washington as something along the lines of "that damned Grey Fox" in ironic praise of his ability to wriggle out of traps and continue to evade the British Army.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at September 17, 2017 11:01 AM (5Yee7)
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I don't like the name Lawrence! Only faggots and sailors are called Lawrence!
Posted by: Gunnery Sergeant Hartman at September 17, 2017 11:02 AM (NWiLs)
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"Sock" is short for "sock puppet" which is a term used to describe a moron who posts a comment not under his usual nic, but some other name, usually a politician, actor, or dead guy.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 17, 2017 10:54 AM
You may also see the phrase "jerk sock", which refers to a particularly boorish socking.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 17, 2017 10:54 AM
You may also see the phrase "jerk sock", which refers to a particularly boorish socking.
Posted by: J. Random Moron at September 17, 2017 11:03 AM (Av387)
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Most Hollowwood actresses are NOT stunningly
beautiful.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 17, 2017 10:46 AM (Pz4pT)
Most of us would look pretty good with the amount of work they do to look the way they do.
trainers, stylists, makeup artists, walking coaches (seriously)....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2017 10:57 AM (wYseH)
Best example (and there are many others): Scarlett Johansson. I know she's well endowed, but otherwise a very ordinary looking gal. However... with all the treatment she gets, it really is a miracle of make believe.
beautiful.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 17, 2017 10:46 AM (Pz4pT)
Most of us would look pretty good with the amount of work they do to look the way they do.
trainers, stylists, makeup artists, walking coaches (seriously)....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2017 10:57 AM (wYseH)
Best example (and there are many others): Scarlett Johansson. I know she's well endowed, but otherwise a very ordinary looking gal. However... with all the treatment she gets, it really is a miracle of make believe.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 17, 2017 11:03 AM (Pz4pT)
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absolutely gorgeous clip of monks singing Gregorian chant:
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We are all doomed to die of heat
The ice will melt the waters rise
All because of man's insatiable greed
Buy my books. I'm genius in disguise.
- Algorian Chant
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We are all doomed to die of heat
The ice will melt the waters rise
All because of man's insatiable greed
Buy my books. I'm genius in disguise.
- Algorian Chant
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doppelganger To the Stars! at September 17, 2017 11:03 AM (Nwg0u)
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Posted by: Elinor, Who Usually Looks Lurkily at September 17, 2017 10:53 AM (NqQAS)
I'm glad you enjoyed it. I would have felt bad knowing there could be someone out there saying ' Jack Sock just wasted my money and time'
I'm glad you enjoyed it. I would have felt bad knowing there could be someone out there saying ' Jack Sock just wasted my money and time'
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 17, 2017 11:04 AM (zO1cf)
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A little joke of my own invention: Who was the best American general in the Revolutionary War? Who was the best British general in the War?
Posted by: mnw
________
Nathanael Greene
Posted by: mnw
________
Nathanael Greene
Posted by: FireHorse at September 17, 2017 11:04 AM (zkGZ8)
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I'm glad you enjoyed it. I would have felt bad knowing there could be someone out there saying ' Jack Sock just wasted my money and time'
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 17, 2017 11:04 AM (zO1cf)
Something heard often in your days as a gigolo?
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 17, 2017 11:04 AM (zO1cf)
Something heard often in your days as a gigolo?
Posted by: Insomniac at September 17, 2017 11:05 AM (NWiLs)
187
136 Jackal Some good lessons in there.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at September 17, 2017 11:05 AM (Ndje9)
188
1812 was even better.
Posted by: FireHorse at September 17, 2017 11:01 AM (zkGZ
Sure. If by better you mean get your arse handed to you, up and down the continent, including having your Capitol sacked and burned, only to have the other guys basically walk away because they had bigger fish to fry, then yes. That.
Posted by: FireHorse at September 17, 2017 11:01 AM (zkGZ
Sure. If by better you mean get your arse handed to you, up and down the continent, including having your Capitol sacked and burned, only to have the other guys basically walk away because they had bigger fish to fry, then yes. That.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 17, 2017 11:06 AM (Pz4pT)
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188 1812 was even better.
Posted by: FireHorse at September 17, 2017 11:01 AM (zkGZ
Sure. If by better you mean get your arse handed to you, up and down the continent, including having your Capitol sacked and burned, only to have the other guys basically walk away because they had bigger fish to fry, then yes. That.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 17, 2017 11:06 AM (Pz4pT)
Well it was just an overture.
Posted by: FireHorse at September 17, 2017 11:01 AM (zkGZ
Sure. If by better you mean get your arse handed to you, up and down the continent, including having your Capitol sacked and burned, only to have the other guys basically walk away because they had bigger fish to fry, then yes. That.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 17, 2017 11:06 AM (Pz4pT)
Well it was just an overture.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 17, 2017 11:07 AM (NWiLs)
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I'm glad you enjoyed it. I would have felt bad knowing there could be someone out there saying ' Jack Sock just wasted my money and time'
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 17, 2017 11:04 AM
Anyone who would say that doesn't know jack.
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 17, 2017 11:04 AM
Anyone who would say that doesn't know jack.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 17, 2017 11:08 AM (Av387)
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You may also see the phrase "jerk sock", which refers to a particularly boorish socking.
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*coffee spew*
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*coffee spew*
Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at September 17, 2017 11:09 AM (2wRtc)
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Posted by: BurtTC at September 17, 2017 11:06 AM (Pz4pT)
Well it was just an overture.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 17, 2017 11:07 AM (NWiLs)
With real cannons!!
Well it was just an overture.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 17, 2017 11:07 AM (NWiLs)
With real cannons!!
Posted by: BurtTC at September 17, 2017 11:09 AM (Pz4pT)
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Thanks to Josephistan and Skip for recommending Citizens, a book about the French Revolution. Much appreciated. It is a very interesting book. I find myself going to look at a dictionary or online for definitions of words, though the oddest thing I discovered is that when the author described the entrance of the Third Estate for the Estates General, that he described them as a surly "crocodile of schoolboys" when they entered the hall. Thinking this was something like a murder of crows, it is apparently it was no such thing, instead it is related to some NAMBLA book. Creepy.
Posted by: dIb at September 17, 2017 10:30 AM (VJOLZ)
Simon Schama used to be a good historian who turned into a snarky cocksucker. Even in Citizens he takes some shots at Reagan that turn out to be inaccurate. Although Citizens is an impressive encyclopedic accounting of every fucking thing that happened in the French Revolution, particularly away from Paris out in the sticks, Jay Winick in The Great Upheaval provides a superior narrative in getting to the essence of what happened and how the impact of it traveled to other countries.
Posted by: dIb at September 17, 2017 10:30 AM (VJOLZ)
Simon Schama used to be a good historian who turned into a snarky cocksucker. Even in Citizens he takes some shots at Reagan that turn out to be inaccurate. Although Citizens is an impressive encyclopedic accounting of every fucking thing that happened in the French Revolution, particularly away from Paris out in the sticks, Jay Winick in The Great Upheaval provides a superior narrative in getting to the essence of what happened and how the impact of it traveled to other countries.
Posted by: Captain Hate at September 17, 2017 11:09 AM (y7DUB)
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172 This is where it's similar to Iraq. If Britain had
implemented 'a surge' , Washington would not have been able to meet
that threat.
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 17, 2017 10:57 AM (zO1cf)
Britain cold not implement a "surge" unless you count Cornwallis moving his attack to the South around Charleston. They had too many commitments in other parts of the world at the same time. This helped the Americans immensely. This is also about the time the French came in on the side of the Americans and that sealed it for the British.
implemented 'a surge' , Washington would not have been able to meet
that threat.
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 17, 2017 10:57 AM (zO1cf)
Britain cold not implement a "surge" unless you count Cornwallis moving his attack to the South around Charleston. They had too many commitments in other parts of the world at the same time. This helped the Americans immensely. This is also about the time the French came in on the side of the Americans and that sealed it for the British.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 17, 2017 11:10 AM (mpXpK)
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Ah Antwerp, if the Germans had just gone straight for the port it might have delayed the Western Allies a few months and given all of Germany to the conquering USSR.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 17, 2017 11:10 AM (NkMRl)
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Posted by: Insomniac at September 17, 2017 11:05 AM (NWiLs)
Hey you try to keep up appearances with a 70 year old diva. It ain't easy.
Hey you try to keep up appearances with a 70 year old diva. It ain't easy.
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 17, 2017 11:10 AM (zO1cf)
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On the writing front, I won second place with GTBaH in a small writing contest held by very nice people in Cisco, TX. I know, nice people, Texans, redundant.
Posted by: Long Running Fool at September 17, 2017 10:06 AM (oSjOY)
Congrats Paul!!!
Note to horde, Long Running Fool has a new YA fantasy series, quite fun.
I reviewed it here
http://preview.tinyurl.com/y8p42fcd
Posted by: Long Running Fool at September 17, 2017 10:06 AM (oSjOY)
Congrats Paul!!!
Note to horde, Long Running Fool has a new YA fantasy series, quite fun.
I reviewed it here
http://preview.tinyurl.com/y8p42fcd
Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at September 17, 2017 11:11 AM (hMwEB)
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not under his usual nic, but some other name, usually a politician, actor, or dead guy.
*****
Woo Hoo! Three for three baby!
*****
Woo Hoo! Three for three baby!
Posted by: zombie Ronald Reagan at September 17, 2017 11:11 AM (wPiJc)
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Hey you try to keep up appearances with a 70 year old diva. It ain't easy.
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 17, 2017 11:10 AM (zO1cf)
*snort*
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 17, 2017 11:10 AM (zO1cf)
*snort*
Posted by: Insomniac at September 17, 2017 11:11 AM (NWiLs)
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168 Who was the best American general in the Revolutionary War? Who was the best British general in the War? ("Benedict Arnold" is the answer to both questions.) Posted by: mnw
Speaking of military geniuses and traitors, if the Army has to hire Bradley despite his psych issues, does it also have to commission the guy who thinks he's Napolean?
Speaking of military geniuses and traitors, if the Army has to hire Bradley despite his psych issues, does it also have to commission the guy who thinks he's Napolean?
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at September 17, 2017 11:11 AM (Ndje9)
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Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 17, 2017 11:10 AM (mpXpK)
The King wanted to. Parliment convinced him otherwise,
The King wanted to. Parliment convinced him otherwise,
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 17, 2017 11:12 AM (zO1cf)
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Something heard often in your days as a gigolo?
Posted by: Insomniac at September 17, 2017 11:05 AM
Didn't almost all of us as saplings growing up hear similar comments during our studEnt days?
Posted by: Insomniac at September 17, 2017 11:05 AM
Didn't almost all of us as saplings growing up hear similar comments during our studEnt days?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 17, 2017 11:12 AM (Av387)
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The British often referred to George Washington as
something along the lines of "that damned Grey Fox" in ironic praise of
his ability to wriggle out of traps and continue to evade the British
Army.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at September 17, 2017 11:01 AM (5Yee7)
Washington had a reputation for disliking the militia, being a strict disciplinarian, creating truly convoluted attack plans, being the best commander for a fighting retreat, and being lucky.
something along the lines of "that damned Grey Fox" in ironic praise of
his ability to wriggle out of traps and continue to evade the British
Army.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at September 17, 2017 11:01 AM (5Yee7)
Washington had a reputation for disliking the militia, being a strict disciplinarian, creating truly convoluted attack plans, being the best commander for a fighting retreat, and being lucky.
Posted by: Kindltot at September 17, 2017 11:12 AM (Gv+zt)
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201 The King wanted to. Parliment convinced him otherwise,
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 17, 2017 11:12 AM (zO1cf)
My understanding was that the King was slightly insane too.
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 17, 2017 11:12 AM (zO1cf)
My understanding was that the King was slightly insane too.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 17, 2017 11:13 AM (mpXpK)
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...and now we are entering the fantasy portion of our program...
Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 11:14 AM (QC/4S)
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203 Washington had a reputation for disliking the
militia, being a strict disciplinarian, creating truly convoluted attack
plans, being the best commander for a fighting retreat, and being
lucky.
Posted by: Kindltot at September 17, 2017 11:12 AM (Gv+zt)
The Indians called him "town burner".
militia, being a strict disciplinarian, creating truly convoluted attack
plans, being the best commander for a fighting retreat, and being
lucky.
Posted by: Kindltot at September 17, 2017 11:12 AM (Gv+zt)
The Indians called him "town burner".
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 17, 2017 11:14 AM (mpXpK)
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Posted by: Kindltot at September 17, 2017 11:12 AM (Gv+zt)
Yep. A few deserters found out how much of a disciplinarian he was.
Yep. A few deserters found out how much of a disciplinarian he was.
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 17, 2017 11:14 AM (zO1cf)
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188 BurtTC
I dissent. The War of 1812 turned decidedly in America's favor in the west: Battle of the Thames. Death of Tecumseh. Victory on the Great Lakes.
I dissent. The War of 1812 turned decidedly in America's favor in the west: Battle of the Thames. Death of Tecumseh. Victory on the Great Lakes.
Posted by: mnw at September 17, 2017 11:15 AM (Amey3)
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I Love those huge books in Praque. I wonder how heavy they are...if it takes more than one person to lift them off the shelf. If I lived closer to Praque I would totally go there...castle & big books, what's not to like.
Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla at September 17, 2017 11:15 AM (IF7/S)
210
Most Hollowwood actresses are NOT stunningly
beautiful.
If they were stunningly beautiful they'd be models. The sweet spot for actresses is to be relatable; someone whom we can imagine playing that role.
Best example I can think of is Renee Zellweiger in Bridget Jones' Diary.
beautiful.
If they were stunningly beautiful they'd be models. The sweet spot for actresses is to be relatable; someone whom we can imagine playing that role.
Best example I can think of is Renee Zellweiger in Bridget Jones' Diary.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo, make america whoop again at September 17, 2017 11:16 AM (6FqZa)
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Most of us would look pretty good with the amount of work they do to look the way they do.
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Interesting episode of Celebrity Autopsy the other night about the death of Kanye West's mother. At age 58, she went under the knife for a boob job, liposuction, and the removal of a "belt" of excess skin around the midriff. She failed to follow doctor's orders, behaved stupidly, and died 24 hours later.
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Interesting episode of Celebrity Autopsy the other night about the death of Kanye West's mother. At age 58, she went under the knife for a boob job, liposuction, and the removal of a "belt" of excess skin around the midriff. She failed to follow doctor's orders, behaved stupidly, and died 24 hours later.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doppelganger To the Stars! at September 17, 2017 11:16 AM (Nwg0u)
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208 I dissent. The War of 1812 turned decidedly in
America's favor in the west: Battle of the Thames. Death of Tecumseh.
Victory on the Great Lakes.
Posted by: mnw at September 17, 2017 11:15 AM (Amey3)
Don't forget New Orleans although supposedly the war was already over then.
America's favor in the west: Battle of the Thames. Death of Tecumseh.
Victory on the Great Lakes.
Posted by: mnw at September 17, 2017 11:15 AM (Amey3)
Don't forget New Orleans although supposedly the war was already over then.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 17, 2017 11:16 AM (mpXpK)
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my research tells me - "cellar temperature", 55-63F is what it is in Ireland.
That's my kind of research! I could see myself graphing the Satisfaction Index for each temp from 33 to, say, 70 degrees. I'm a big fan of Guinness.
That's my kind of research! I could see myself graphing the Satisfaction Index for each temp from 33 to, say, 70 degrees. I'm a big fan of Guinness.
Posted by: t-bird at September 17, 2017 11:16 AM (YXJ+5)
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Bradley Manning was not the first time the US Army has screwed the dog, look up the name John David Provoo.
https://fas.org/irp/congress/1996_cr/s960130a.htm
https://fas.org/irp/congress/1996_cr/s960130a.htm
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 17, 2017 11:17 AM (NkMRl)
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205 ...and now we are entering the fantasy portion of our program...
Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 11:14 AM (QC/4S)
Or alternatively known as the shoulda coulda woulda proclamations.
Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 11:14 AM (QC/4S)
Or alternatively known as the shoulda coulda woulda proclamations.
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 17, 2017 11:17 AM (zO1cf)
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she went to an Ivy school with the bill being footed by her father who regretted the decision
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Anna, I didn't know her dad regretted sending her to an ivy league
details?
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Anna, I didn't know her dad regretted sending her to an ivy league
details?
Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at September 17, 2017 11:18 AM (hMwEB)
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Revolutionspodcast.com does both the American and French revolutions. The French one is about 55 episodes from Louis XVI finding out the kingdom was broke to Napoleon crowning himself Emperor.
Posted by: Kindltot at September 17, 2017 11:18 AM (Gv+zt)
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There are "actresses" and there are "movie starts" - a Hollwood product. Rather recent.
Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 11:18 AM (QC/4S)
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I always wanted to visit the Czech Republic, but it never was praguematic.
Posted by: Muldoon at September 17, 2017 11:18 AM (wPiJc)
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I could see myself graphing the Satisfaction Index for each temp from 33 to, say, 70 degrees.
Posted by: t-bird at September 17, 2017 11:16 AM (YXJ+5)
Just to be more accurate I imagine that doing it by tenths of a degree is the best plan.
Posted by: t-bird at September 17, 2017 11:16 AM (YXJ+5)
Just to be more accurate I imagine that doing it by tenths of a degree is the best plan.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2017 11:18 AM (wYseH)
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Don't forget New Orleans although supposedly the war was already over then.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 17, 2017 11:16 AM (mpXpK)
We fired our guns and the British kept a-comin'
There wasn't nigh as many as there was a while ago
We fired once more and they began to runnin'
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico
Don't forget New Orleans although supposedly the war was already over then.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 17, 2017 11:16 AM (mpXpK)
We fired our guns and the British kept a-comin'
There wasn't nigh as many as there was a while ago
We fired once more and they began to runnin'
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico
Posted by: Insomniac at September 17, 2017 11:19 AM (NWiLs)
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""By the all-powerful dispensations of Providence, I
have been protected beyond all human probability or expectation. Death
was levelling my companions on every side."
Details? No. Destiny? You have to say yes.
Posted by Gipper Lives
don't let Hillary see this, she'll revise it for her next book, about herself.
have been protected beyond all human probability or expectation. Death
was levelling my companions on every side."
Details? No. Destiny? You have to say yes.
Posted by Gipper Lives
don't let Hillary see this, she'll revise it for her next book, about herself.
Posted by: illiniwek at September 17, 2017 11:19 AM (yKAUL)
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I Love those huge books in Praque. I wonder how heavy they are...if it
takes more than one person to lift them off the shelf. If I lived
closer to Praque I would totally go there...castle big books,
what's not to like. Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla at September 17, 2017 11:15 AM (IF7/S)
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I think it has something to do with the size of sheets of paper -- quarto, folio, etc. Learning something about it from Antiques Roadshow that Audubon prints were huuuuge.
Some bibliophiles could explain it better; that is all I know.
I Love those huge books in Praque. I wonder how heavy they are...if it
takes more than one person to lift them off the shelf. If I lived
closer to Praque I would totally go there...castle big books,
what's not to like. Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla at September 17, 2017 11:15 AM (IF7/S)
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I think it has something to do with the size of sheets of paper -- quarto, folio, etc. Learning something about it from Antiques Roadshow that Audubon prints were huuuuge.
Some bibliophiles could explain it better; that is all I know.
Posted by: mustbequantum at September 17, 2017 11:19 AM (MIKMs)
224
Most Hollowwood actresses are NOT stunningly
beautiful.
Heather Graham is my exception to the rule.
beautiful.
Heather Graham is my exception to the rule.
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 17, 2017 11:19 AM (zO1cf)
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Vic
I didn't mention New Orleans precisely because the War WAS over. Ditto for the British naval victory over the USS President.
War over. Doesn't count-- like a basket after the buzzer.
I didn't mention New Orleans precisely because the War WAS over. Ditto for the British naval victory over the USS President.
War over. Doesn't count-- like a basket after the buzzer.
Posted by: mnw at September 17, 2017 11:19 AM (Amey3)
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There was a book about the Spanish civil war that came up about a month ago. I wish I could remember the author Anyone?
Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at September 17, 2017 11:19 AM (hMwEB)
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Do adult coloring books count as literature? Right now I'm inking in and coloring Lord Humungus.
It really is a kind of meditation, this coloring thing.
It really is a kind of meditation, this coloring thing.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 17, 2017 11:20 AM (qJtVm)
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Hey Horde - Please excuse the O/T:
I'm participating in Strides Against Breast Cancer on October 21.
Will you please help out by making a donation - any amount helps:
http://tinyurl.com/y9sfyn2y
Thank you!!
I'm participating in Strides Against Breast Cancer on October 21.
Will you please help out by making a donation - any amount helps:
http://tinyurl.com/y9sfyn2y
Thank you!!
Posted by: ibguy at September 17, 2017 11:20 AM (vUcdz)
229
I read the article about Orwell and the one about Fat Teddy. What a contrast - a brilliant writer suffering tremendous personal losses and terrible health and poverty who was still able to grind out a prophetic work. Then there's the filthy bloated asshole the people of Mass. stupidly elected over and over again to the Senate so he could continue wrecking the country under the guise of "championing the underdog."
If it wasn't for old Joe - who I think of as one of the most sinister figures in American history - and his money and ambition, the Kennedy boys would have been bartenders in Southie.
If it wasn't for old Joe - who I think of as one of the most sinister figures in American history - and his money and ambition, the Kennedy boys would have been bartenders in Southie.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V sez: beat the Marlins, Crew! at September 17, 2017 11:20 AM (P8951)
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Or alternatively known as the shoulda coulda woulda proclamations.
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 17, 2017 11:17 AM (zO1cf)
"To all the girls I've loved before/who traveled in and out my door/..."
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 17, 2017 11:17 AM (zO1cf)
"To all the girls I've loved before/who traveled in and out my door/..."
Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 11:20 AM (QC/4S)
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And the 1812 Overture ain't about New Orleans .
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 17, 2017 11:20 AM (zO1cf)
232
Oh la la, il fait froid ici...
Posted by: Napoleon Bonaparte at September 17, 2017 11:22 AM (6FqZa)
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"Nood" = 'new' and is usually used to announce the appearance of a new thread.
"Sock" is short for "sock puppet"
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We're not what you might call smart.
"Sock" is short for "sock puppet"
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We're not what you might call smart.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doppelganger To the Stars! at September 17, 2017 11:23 AM (Nwg0u)
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The war of 1812 also brought in the first States actively talking about session at the Hartford Convention. The Northeastern merchants hated the war.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 17, 2017 11:23 AM (mpXpK)
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204 201 The King wanted to. Parliment convinced him otherwise,
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 17, 2017 11:12 AM (zO1cf)
My understanding was that the King was slightly insane too.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 17, 2017 11:13 AM (mpXpK)
Lots of them seem to be. Probably a result of all the inbreeding. Eventually you get Charles II. Or Humperdoo.
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 17, 2017 11:12 AM (zO1cf)
My understanding was that the King was slightly insane too.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 17, 2017 11:13 AM (mpXpK)
Lots of them seem to be. Probably a result of all the inbreeding. Eventually you get Charles II. Or Humperdoo.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 17, 2017 11:23 AM (NWiLs)
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Don't forget New Orleans although supposedly the war was already over then.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 17, 2017 11:16 AM (mpXpK)
We fired our guns and the British kept a-comin'
There wasn't nigh as many as there was a while ago
We fired once more and they began to runnin'
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico Posted by: Insomniac at September 17, 2017 11:19 AM (NWiLs)
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I love that Johnny Horton song. I think it was also proxy for Brit/French/Spanish wars overseas. Cemented US as sovereign on NA continent.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 17, 2017 11:16 AM (mpXpK)
We fired our guns and the British kept a-comin'
There wasn't nigh as many as there was a while ago
We fired once more and they began to runnin'
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico Posted by: Insomniac at September 17, 2017 11:19 AM (NWiLs)
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I love that Johnny Horton song. I think it was also proxy for Brit/French/Spanish wars overseas. Cemented US as sovereign on NA continent.
Posted by: mustbequantum at September 17, 2017 11:24 AM (MIKMs)
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If by better you mean get your arse handed to you, up and down the continent, including having your Capitol sacked and burned, only to have the other guys basically walk away because they had bigger fish to fry, then yes. That.
Posted by: BurtTC
________
That's exactly what I meant. All of that is better than what would have happened had England not gone to war against Napoleon soon before.
I see two outcomes: (1) The War of 1812 never happens, or (2) the war goes so badly that the United States agree to whatever Britain demands in Ghent. How does each scenario play out?
Posted by: BurtTC
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That's exactly what I meant. All of that is better than what would have happened had England not gone to war against Napoleon soon before.
I see two outcomes: (1) The War of 1812 never happens, or (2) the war goes so badly that the United States agree to whatever Britain demands in Ghent. How does each scenario play out?
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222 She'll blame Washington.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at September 17, 2017 11:24 AM (Ndje9)
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From what I read, Christopher Dodd must have spent his entire career thinking to himself "thank heaven everyone talks about Ted instead"
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Most Hollowwood actresses are NOT stunningly
beautiful.
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Heather Graham is my exception to the rule.
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 17, 2017 11:19 AM (zO1cf)
I rewatched Twin Peaks recently. She's about the fourth or fifth best looking actress on the show.
beautiful.
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Heather Graham is my exception to the rule.
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 17, 2017 11:19 AM (zO1cf)
I rewatched Twin Peaks recently. She's about the fourth or fifth best looking actress on the show.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 17, 2017 11:24 AM (Pz4pT)
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That's my kind of research! I could see myself graphing the Satisfaction Index for each temp from 33 to, say, 70 degrees. I'm a big fan of Guinness.
Posted by: t-bird at September 17, 2017 11:16 AM
According to the Irish scrum-half on my first rugby team, there were 4 catagories of Guinness:
4. Bottled outside of Ireland
3. On-tap outside of Ireland
2. Bottled inside of Ireland
1. On-tap inside of Ireland
However, for the best number 1, you had to go to th eighth pub, and tell them to "pull it slowly". This can take 10 minutes or more.
So this appears to require multi-variate analysis. Add please be and pull-time to the research for the project.
We look forward to your paper.
Posted by: t-bird at September 17, 2017 11:16 AM
According to the Irish scrum-half on my first rugby team, there were 4 catagories of Guinness:
4. Bottled outside of Ireland
3. On-tap outside of Ireland
2. Bottled inside of Ireland
1. On-tap inside of Ireland
However, for the best number 1, you had to go to th eighth pub, and tell them to "pull it slowly". This can take 10 minutes or more.
So this appears to require multi-variate analysis. Add please be and pull-time to the research for the project.
We look forward to your paper.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 17, 2017 11:25 AM (Av387)
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Most Hollowwood actresses are NOT stunningly beautiful.
Yep, they're just normal-looking people. The difference is that the camera likes them and they, it. I, on the other hand, would probably look like a wooden post on camera.
Yep, they're just normal-looking people. The difference is that the camera likes them and they, it. I, on the other hand, would probably look like a wooden post on camera.
Posted by: t-bird at September 17, 2017 11:25 AM (kuiuS)
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OT/ TIL that more people are killed by falling coconuts than shark attacks.
Could you imagine trying to keep a straight face if someone told you a relative was killed by a falling coconut? I could not do it. I'm not proud of this, but I know it.
Could you imagine trying to keep a straight face if someone told you a relative was killed by a falling coconut? I could not do it. I'm not proud of this, but I know it.
Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla at September 17, 2017 11:25 AM (IF7/S)
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I always wanted to visit the Czech Republic, but it never was praguematic.
Posted by: Muldoon
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Maybe someday you could rome around Italy.
Posted by: Muldoon
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Maybe someday you could rome around Italy.
Posted by: FireHorse at September 17, 2017 11:26 AM (zkGZ8)
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227 Do adult coloring books count as literature? Right now I'm inking in and coloring Lord Humungus.
It really is a kind of meditation, this coloring thing.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 17, 2017 11:20 AM (qJtVm)
You have a Lord Humungus coloring book?? Where did you get it?
It really is a kind of meditation, this coloring thing.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 17, 2017 11:20 AM (qJtVm)
You have a Lord Humungus coloring book?? Where did you get it?
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 17, 2017 11:27 AM (Z76KH)
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There was a book about the Spanish civil war that came up about a month ago. I wish I could remember the author Anyone?
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I mentioned The Spanish Civil War (catchy title) by Stanley Payne.
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I mentioned The Spanish Civil War (catchy title) by Stanley Payne.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doppelganger To the Stars! at September 17, 2017 11:27 AM (Nwg0u)
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Maybe someday you could rome around Italy.
*****
No, I've been thinking of moving to Egypt to become a chiropractor.
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No, I've been thinking of moving to Egypt to become a chiropractor.
Posted by: Muldoon at September 17, 2017 11:27 AM (wPiJc)
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243. And spare a thought for the poor person who has to pass along this news to the family.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at September 17, 2017 11:27 AM (fA1SL)
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I'm glad you enjoyed it. I would have felt bad knowing there could be someone out there saying ' Jack Sock just wasted my money and time'
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 17, 2017 11:04 AM (zO1cf)
Tell me about it. I feel that way after I post every new book thread.
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 17, 2017 11:04 AM (zO1cf)
Tell me about it. I feel that way after I post every new book thread.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 17, 2017 11:27 AM (Z76KH)
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(1) The War of 1812 never happens, or (2) the war goes so badly that the United States agree to whatever Britain demands in Ghent. How does each scenario play out?
The Brits get Michigan, Minnesota, Dakota Territory and points west all the way to Oregon. With the warmer parts of the West Coast they probably get leverage to nab Alaska from Ivan. Although maybe they do that later than Seward did it in our timeline.
The Brits get Michigan, Minnesota, Dakota Territory and points west all the way to Oregon. With the warmer parts of the West Coast they probably get leverage to nab Alaska from Ivan. Although maybe they do that later than Seward did it in our timeline.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 17, 2017 11:28 AM (6FqZa)
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245. Bartertown
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at September 17, 2017 11:28 AM (fA1SL)
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Could you imagine trying to keep a straight face if someone told you a relative was killed by a falling coconut?
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Dammit, Gilligan!
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Dammit, Gilligan!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doppelganger To the Stars! at September 17, 2017 11:28 AM (Nwg0u)
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Oh, and that Kelly article was written in 1990. One of the most jarring things about it is that Kelly thought Kennedy's brand of progressivism was almost dead and Kennedy was a dinosaur. But in that same article, you see how the GOPe, as exemplified by Orrin Hatch, collaberated with the old drunken shitbag - who repaid them by destroying Robert Bork's reputation.
Why? Well, gee, Teddy was just great to his fellow Senators. He treated them with "respect." It's only the little people, like waitresses, that he crapped on so that didn't matter.
I lived in DC then and heard a lot of stories about drunken Ted, but the one about him trying to entice two underage girls into his limo reminded me of the stories of Stalin's henchman Beria roaming through the streets of Moscow picking up young girls and raping them.
Why? Well, gee, Teddy was just great to his fellow Senators. He treated them with "respect." It's only the little people, like waitresses, that he crapped on so that didn't matter.
I lived in DC then and heard a lot of stories about drunken Ted, but the one about him trying to entice two underage girls into his limo reminded me of the stories of Stalin's henchman Beria roaming through the streets of Moscow picking up young girls and raping them.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V sez: beat the Marlins, Crew! at September 17, 2017 11:29 AM (P8951)
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Or Humperdoo.
Humperdoo? Hilarious. Need to fit that into my vocab. Coming soon to my posts will be name-calling of politicians, media, et.al. as Humperdoos.
Humperdoo? Hilarious. Need to fit that into my vocab. Coming soon to my posts will be name-calling of politicians, media, et.al. as Humperdoos.
Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla at September 17, 2017 11:30 AM (IF7/S)
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I mentioned The Spanish Civil War (catchy title) by Stanley Payne.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doppelganger To the Stars! at September 17, 2017 11:27 AM (Nwg0u)
Yup, that's the one! I remember looking at the cover.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doppelganger To the Stars! at September 17, 2017 11:27 AM (Nwg0u)
Yup, that's the one! I remember looking at the cover.
Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at September 17, 2017 11:30 AM (hMwEB)
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It would be awkward with an open-casket burial having the coconut there in place of the body's head. I guess you'd have to draw those two x's on the eyes and a solemn frowny face for the lips
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 17, 2017 11:30 AM (6FqZa)
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I rewatched Twin Peaks recently. She's about the fourth or fifth best looking actress on the show.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 17, 2017 11:24 AM (Pz4pT)
Madchen Amick grew up right purty, that's for damn sure.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 17, 2017 11:24 AM (Pz4pT)
Madchen Amick grew up right purty, that's for damn sure.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gentleman Drunkard at September 17, 2017 11:30 AM (Ahx4r)
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256. Daquiris. You'd have to serve daquiris to all the mourners
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at September 17, 2017 11:31 AM (fA1SL)
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What cracks me up about Hillary!'s "interpretation" of "1984" is-
it just proves the micrometer micron- deep cultural and intellectual processing in most Progs.
Fixed it for those of us who use micrometers as instruments at work.
Posted by: t-bird at September 17, 2017 10:39 AM (BsIi9)
Yeeeesh.
I'm bringing teh stoopid this morning.
I must still be in shock over my Horns blowing it in OT.
MOAR KAWFEE!!!
it just proves the micrometer micron- deep cultural and intellectual processing in most Progs.
Fixed it for those of us who use micrometers as instruments at work.
Posted by: t-bird at September 17, 2017 10:39 AM (BsIi9)
Yeeeesh.
I'm bringing teh stoopid this morning.
I must still be in shock over my Horns blowing it in OT.
MOAR KAWFEE!!!
Posted by: naturalfake at September 17, 2017 11:31 AM (NyJwR)
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Posted by: Fritz at September 17, 2017 11:31 AM (8flQp)
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For the dismal part of the War of 1812:
"When the British Burned the White House" by Jack Snow (I think "Jack"; Snow for sure)
No wonder Washington didn't admire militia troops.
Although... that's what Jackson had at New Orleans. The British figured that Jackson's army would perform just as poorly as the militia had done at Bladensburg.
Different commander. Makes a difference.
A little bit of trivia I like: "The first time it was tea that beat the British. The second time it was coffee." (Referring to Jackson's right hand man, General John Coffee)
"When the British Burned the White House" by Jack Snow (I think "Jack"; Snow for sure)
No wonder Washington didn't admire militia troops.
Although... that's what Jackson had at New Orleans. The British figured that Jackson's army would perform just as poorly as the militia had done at Bladensburg.
Different commander. Makes a difference.
A little bit of trivia I like: "The first time it was tea that beat the British. The second time it was coffee." (Referring to Jackson's right hand man, General John Coffee)
Posted by: mnw at September 17, 2017 11:32 AM (Amey3)
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Cracking jokes about death by coconut... how disrespectful
Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 11:32 AM (QC/4S)
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If by better you mean get your arse handed to you, up and down the continent, including having your Capitol sacked and burned, only to have the other guys basically walk away because they had bigger fish to fry, then yes. That.
Posted by: BurtTC
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That's exactly what I meant. All of that is better than what would have happened had England not gone to war against Napoleon soon before.
I see two outcomes: (1) The War of 1812 never happens, or (2) the war goes so badly that the United States agree to whatever Britain demands in Ghent. How does each scenario play out?
Posted by: FireHorse at September 17, 2017 11:24 AM (zkGZ
My understanding is the war began, because the U.S. foolishly tried to flex muscles it did not really have.
I would assume there were mixed feelings in England, some who wanted to bloody our noses, some who thought it a pointless distraction from the continental problems, and some who dreamed of re-asserting British authority over its colonies.
I think the reality is closest to the first two. We certainly got our noses bloodied, and it accomplished essentially nothing of value for Britain. Cost them some in the West, as noted above, around the Great Lakes region.
Posted by: BurtTC
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That's exactly what I meant. All of that is better than what would have happened had England not gone to war against Napoleon soon before.
I see two outcomes: (1) The War of 1812 never happens, or (2) the war goes so badly that the United States agree to whatever Britain demands in Ghent. How does each scenario play out?
Posted by: FireHorse at September 17, 2017 11:24 AM (zkGZ
My understanding is the war began, because the U.S. foolishly tried to flex muscles it did not really have.
I would assume there were mixed feelings in England, some who wanted to bloody our noses, some who thought it a pointless distraction from the continental problems, and some who dreamed of re-asserting British authority over its colonies.
I think the reality is closest to the first two. We certainly got our noses bloodied, and it accomplished essentially nothing of value for Britain. Cost them some in the West, as noted above, around the Great Lakes region.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 17, 2017 11:32 AM (Pz4pT)
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It would be awkward with an open-casket burial having the coconut there in place of the body's head. I guess you'd have to draw those two x's on the eyes and a solemn frowny face for the lips
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 17, 2017 11:30 AM (6FqZa)
This sounds like one of those "Jack Handey" quotes.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 17, 2017 11:30 AM (6FqZa)
This sounds like one of those "Jack Handey" quotes.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 17, 2017 11:33 AM (Z76KH)
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Paul Johnson's book _The Birth of the Modern_ begins with the Battle of New Orleans, and he points out that it really did matter: if the British had won, they might well have handed the place back to Spain since they didn't recognize Napoleon's legitimacy and thus could claim he had no right to sell it to the USA in the first place.
Posted by: Trimegistus at September 17, 2017 11:33 AM (YU/Ub)
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240 Most Hollowwood actresses are NOT stunningly
beautiful.
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Heather Graham is my exception to the rule.
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 17, 2017 11:19 AM (zO1cf)
I rewatched Twin Peaks recently. She's about the fourth or fifth best looking actress on the show.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 17, 2017 11:24 AM (Pz4pT)
Twin Peaks had a plethora of fine-looking women. Heather Graham, Cheryl Lee, Madchen Amick, Lara Flynn Boyle, Sherilyn Fenn...
beautiful.
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Heather Graham is my exception to the rule.
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 17, 2017 11:19 AM (zO1cf)
I rewatched Twin Peaks recently. She's about the fourth or fifth best looking actress on the show.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 17, 2017 11:24 AM (Pz4pT)
Twin Peaks had a plethora of fine-looking women. Heather Graham, Cheryl Lee, Madchen Amick, Lara Flynn Boyle, Sherilyn Fenn...
Posted by: Insomniac at September 17, 2017 11:34 AM (NWiLs)
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You have a Lord Humungus coloring book?? Where did you get it?
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 17, 2017 11:27 AM (Z76KH)
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No, no, it's the Star Wars Doodles coloring book, which I highly recommend. Fun for all ages! It has incomplete pictures which you fill in according your whim.
I'm currently working on "What is that foul stench? And who does Tarkin have at the end of his leash?"
Why, he has Lord Humungus!
I feel a bit weird inking in a spiked codpiece into a kid's coloring book.
http://tinyurl.com/y8jetqpm
Use Ace's portal!
You have a Lord Humungus coloring book?? Where did you get it?
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 17, 2017 11:27 AM (Z76KH)
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No, no, it's the Star Wars Doodles coloring book, which I highly recommend. Fun for all ages! It has incomplete pictures which you fill in according your whim.
I'm currently working on "What is that foul stench? And who does Tarkin have at the end of his leash?"
Why, he has Lord Humungus!
I feel a bit weird inking in a spiked codpiece into a kid's coloring book.
http://tinyurl.com/y8jetqpm
Use Ace's portal!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 17, 2017 11:34 AM (qJtVm)
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No, I've been thinking of moving to Egypt to become a chiropractor.
Posted by: Muldoon at September 17, 2017 11:27 AM (wPiJc)
I spent a year in Paris where I was able to eke out a living as a plasterer.
I really got wrapped up in my work.
Posted by: Muldoon at September 17, 2017 11:27 AM (wPiJc)
I spent a year in Paris where I was able to eke out a living as a plasterer.
I really got wrapped up in my work.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 17, 2017 11:34 AM (Z76KH)
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263 Cracking jokes about death by coconut... how disrespectful
Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 11:32 AM (QC/4S)
This crowd will milk it for all it's worth.
Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 11:32 AM (QC/4S)
This crowd will milk it for all it's worth.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 17, 2017 11:35 AM (NWiLs)
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252 Could you imagine trying to keep a straight face if someone told you a relative was killed by a falling coconut? "
I remember a short story by some Brit author about a boy whose father is killed in Spain when a balcony with a pig on it collapses and the pig falls on the kid's dad. The boy is always pained when he tells people how his dad died and they struggle to keep from laughing. He finally marries a girl who is all sympathy and doesn't laugh when she hears the story - because she has no sense of humor at all.
I can't remember who wrote it.
I remember a short story by some Brit author about a boy whose father is killed in Spain when a balcony with a pig on it collapses and the pig falls on the kid's dad. The boy is always pained when he tells people how his dad died and they struggle to keep from laughing. He finally marries a girl who is all sympathy and doesn't laugh when she hears the story - because she has no sense of humor at all.
I can't remember who wrote it.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V sez: beat the Marlins, Crew! at September 17, 2017 11:35 AM (P8951)
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I'm bringing teh stoopid this morning.
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Hey. That's my job.
I bought a new bucket and everything.
I'm bringing teh stoopid this morning.
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Hey. That's my job.
I bought a new bucket and everything.
Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at September 17, 2017 11:35 AM (2wRtc)
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A little joke of my own invention: Who was the best American general in the Revolutionary War? Who was the best British general in the War?
("Benedict Arnold" is the answer to both questions.)
Posted by: mnw at September 17, 2017 10:56 AM (Amey3)
At Saratoga, NY there are two monuments that honor Arnold, although his name is not listed. One is the 'Boot Monument'. Arnold lost a leg at the battle. The other is the Saratoga Monument that honors the four generals creditied with winning the battle. Three of four niches have statues of Morgan, Gates, and Schuyler. The fourth, Arnold's, is empty.
("Benedict Arnold" is the answer to both questions.)
Posted by: mnw at September 17, 2017 10:56 AM (Amey3)
At Saratoga, NY there are two monuments that honor Arnold, although his name is not listed. One is the 'Boot Monument'. Arnold lost a leg at the battle. The other is the Saratoga Monument that honors the four generals creditied with winning the battle. Three of four niches have statues of Morgan, Gates, and Schuyler. The fourth, Arnold's, is empty.
Posted by: Jake Holenhead at September 17, 2017 11:35 AM (T33X5)
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RE: Washington as supreme military commander:
You could write a BOOK about that... and add it to the several hundred already written.
My own random thoughts:
1). He damn near lost the Continental Army TWICE right at the
beginning. The LAST place that embryonic little military force needed
to be was... on an island!
Posted by: mnw at September 17, 2017 10:56 AM (Amey3)
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IIRC, Washington didn't want to fight at NYC, he knew it was an indefensible position and that there was no way to win. It was the Continental Congress who insisted upon it. Politicians meddling in military decision making, old as time itself. LBJ didn't invent it.
RE: Washington as supreme military commander:
You could write a BOOK about that... and add it to the several hundred already written.
My own random thoughts:
1). He damn near lost the Continental Army TWICE right at the
beginning. The LAST place that embryonic little military force needed
to be was... on an island!
Posted by: mnw at September 17, 2017 10:56 AM (Amey3)
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IIRC, Washington didn't want to fight at NYC, he knew it was an indefensible position and that there was no way to win. It was the Continental Congress who insisted upon it. Politicians meddling in military decision making, old as time itself. LBJ didn't invent it.
Posted by: Jackal at September 17, 2017 11:36 AM (o3+fQ)
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Votermom,
Adams was not alone. Hugh Rodham fumed about his daughter's impertinent remarks all the way back to Park Ridge. Sending his only daughter to Wellesly in hopes that she would receive a traditional finishing school education was, Rodham conceded only half-jokingly, "a great miscalculation!"
pg. 17. American Evita: Hillary Clinton's Path to Power. Christopher Andersen. William Morrow/Harper-Collins. 2004.
Adams was not alone. Hugh Rodham fumed about his daughter's impertinent remarks all the way back to Park Ridge. Sending his only daughter to Wellesly in hopes that she would receive a traditional finishing school education was, Rodham conceded only half-jokingly, "a great miscalculation!"
pg. 17. American Evita: Hillary Clinton's Path to Power. Christopher Andersen. William Morrow/Harper-Collins. 2004.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 17, 2017 11:36 AM (NkMRl)
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260 What cracks me up about Hillary!'s "interpretation" of "1984" is-
it just proves the micrometer micron- deep cultural and intellectual processing in most Progs.
Fixed it for those of us who use micrometers as instruments at work.
Posted by: t-bird at September 17, 2017 10:39 AM (BsIi9)
Yeeeesh.
I'm bringing teh stoopid this morning.
I must still be in shock over my Horns blowing it in OT.
MOAR KAWFEE!!!
Posted by: naturalfake at September 17, 2017 11:31 AM (NyJwR)
Wasn't there is a CNN or MSNBC who completely, stupidly, misinterpreted Animal Farm?
it just proves the micrometer micron- deep cultural and intellectual processing in most Progs.
Fixed it for those of us who use micrometers as instruments at work.
Posted by: t-bird at September 17, 2017 10:39 AM (BsIi9)
Yeeeesh.
I'm bringing teh stoopid this morning.
I must still be in shock over my Horns blowing it in OT.
MOAR KAWFEE!!!
Posted by: naturalfake at September 17, 2017 11:31 AM (NyJwR)
Wasn't there is a CNN or MSNBC who completely, stupidly, misinterpreted Animal Farm?
Posted by: Northernlurker, Still Lurking After All These Years at September 17, 2017 11:37 AM (nBr1j)
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That Jimmy Horton song...you forgot the best line for you alls fav thing:
"We took a little bacon and we took a little beans"
"We took a little bacon and we took a little beans"
Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla at September 17, 2017 11:37 AM (IF7/S)
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Do adult coloring books count as literature? Right now I'm inking in and coloring Lord Humungus.
It really is a kind of meditation, this coloring thing.
Posted by: All Hail Eris
When you say "adult" is that as in *ahem* adult?
It really is a kind of meditation, this coloring thing.
Posted by: All Hail Eris
When you say "adult" is that as in *ahem* adult?
Posted by: Shep Smith at September 17, 2017 11:38 AM (Osb5s)
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Many thanks for the Lord of the World reference. I've already incorporated it into book 3 of The Last Brigade series. It was like the missing piece to a dialogue scene and fit perfectly!
Posted by: William Alan Webb at September 17, 2017 11:39 AM (OhYcy)
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Trimegistus , yeah, but there is no way Spain could have held it. An early Spanish-American war would have yielded the independence of slave-owning Cuba, with close ties to the Gulf Coast. The Cuba Question may well have kicked off the American Civil War earlier, too...
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 17, 2017 11:39 AM (6FqZa)
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Still soliciting recommendations from the horde for books on the Middle Ages that neither portray that time frame as dark or backwards, nor makes the Catholic Church be evil incarnate.
*Thank you to the horde member three or so weeks back who recommended Thomas Mirus for articles.* He's wonderful.
Still soliciting recommendations from the horde for books on the Middle Ages that neither portray that time frame as dark or backwards, nor makes the Catholic Church be evil incarnate.
*Thank you to the horde member three or so weeks back who recommended Thomas Mirus for articles.* He's wonderful.
Posted by: squeakywheel at September 17, 2017 11:39 AM (jAY6e)
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I rewatched Twin Peaks recently. She's about the fourth or fifth best looking actress on the show.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 17, 2017 11:24 AM (Pz4pT)
Madchen Amick grew up right purty, that's for damn sure.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gentleman Drunkard at September 17, 2017 11:30 AM (Ahx4r)
I have not seen the new series yet, but the last I saw of her she was still a damn fine looking woman.
What is amazing, having seen fairly recent video of the actresses on that show, most of them have aged remarkably well! Amick, Sheryl Lee, Sherilyn Fenn, and indeed, Peggy Lipton might have been objectively the best looking woman on that show. Better than all the young actresses, and still today she's gorgeous.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 17, 2017 11:24 AM (Pz4pT)
Madchen Amick grew up right purty, that's for damn sure.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gentleman Drunkard at September 17, 2017 11:30 AM (Ahx4r)
I have not seen the new series yet, but the last I saw of her she was still a damn fine looking woman.
What is amazing, having seen fairly recent video of the actresses on that show, most of them have aged remarkably well! Amick, Sheryl Lee, Sherilyn Fenn, and indeed, Peggy Lipton might have been objectively the best looking woman on that show. Better than all the young actresses, and still today she's gorgeous.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 17, 2017 11:40 AM (Pz4pT)
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Wasn't there is a CNN or MSNBC who completely, stupidly, misinterpreted Animal Farm?
Posted by: Northernlurker, Still Lurking After All These Years at September 17, 2017 11:37 AM (nBr1j)
Heh. I haven't heard this, but it wouldn't surprise me. After soaking for 4 college years in "critical theory", I'm amazed that they're able to read any words at all, much less understand them.
Posted by: Northernlurker, Still Lurking After All These Years at September 17, 2017 11:37 AM (nBr1j)
Heh. I haven't heard this, but it wouldn't surprise me. After soaking for 4 college years in "critical theory", I'm amazed that they're able to read any words at all, much less understand them.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 17, 2017 11:40 AM (Z76KH)
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"Most Hollowwood actresses are NOT stunningly beautiful. I chose that word, pretty, specifically to mean essentially how you describe her."
That made me think of actresses, past and present, were what you call stunning beautiful. Not very many. Hedy Lamarr springs to mind. Maybe Meryl Oberon, Ingrid Bergman, Vivian Leigh. I suppose it depends on taste. One would ever call Bette Davis beautiful or even pretty. Same foe Katherine Hepburn.
That made me think of actresses, past and present, were what you call stunning beautiful. Not very many. Hedy Lamarr springs to mind. Maybe Meryl Oberon, Ingrid Bergman, Vivian Leigh. I suppose it depends on taste. One would ever call Bette Davis beautiful or even pretty. Same foe Katherine Hepburn.
Posted by: Tuna at September 17, 2017 11:40 AM (jm1YL)
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the Saratoga Monument - wow, that *is* an effective message.
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No, I've been thinking of moving to Egypt to become a chiropractor.
Posted by: Muldoon
________
I was going to open a practice in Switzerland was afraid of getting berned.
Posted by: Muldoon
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I was going to open a practice in Switzerland was afraid of getting berned.
Posted by: FireHorse at September 17, 2017 11:40 AM (zkGZ8)
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I generally think that counter-factual history is a waste of time.
However... if Britain had "won" the War of 1812 outright (whatever "won" may have meant), & has Britain ceded territory to Spain...
America would still have expanded to the Pacific, imo. Not even a speed bump.
I think it was Henry II who responded to an adverse legal claim to Gascony by merely noting, "My troops are all over it."
However... if Britain had "won" the War of 1812 outright (whatever "won" may have meant), & has Britain ceded territory to Spain...
America would still have expanded to the Pacific, imo. Not even a speed bump.
I think it was Henry II who responded to an adverse legal claim to Gascony by merely noting, "My troops are all over it."
Posted by: mnw at September 17, 2017 11:40 AM (Amey3)
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Posted by: BurtTC at September 17, 2017 11:24 AM (Pz4pT)
Twin Peaks . Don't think Heather Graham on that show.
Twin Peaks . Don't think Heather Graham on that show.
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 17, 2017 11:40 AM (zO1cf)
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This crowd will milk it for all it's worth.
Hah! Makes me wonder if the coconut cracks open when it hits the person's noggin'. Probably not.
Hah! Makes me wonder if the coconut cracks open when it hits the person's noggin'. Probably not.
Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla at September 17, 2017 11:40 AM (IF7/S)
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277 That Jimmy Horton song...you forgot the best line for you alls fav thing:
"We took a little bacon and we took a little beans"
Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla at September 17, 2017 11:37 AM (IF7/S)
I think y'all have had enough!
"We took a little bacon and we took a little beans"
Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla at September 17, 2017 11:37 AM (IF7/S)
I think y'all have had enough!
Posted by: Taggart at September 17, 2017 11:41 AM (NWiLs)
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Cracking jokes about death by coconut... how disrespectful
Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 11:32 AM (QC/4S)
This crowd will milk it for all it's worth.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 17, 2017 11:35 AM (NWiLs)
Falling morals of this place, very grating
Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 11:32 AM (QC/4S)
This crowd will milk it for all it's worth.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 17, 2017 11:35 AM (NWiLs)
Falling morals of this place, very grating
Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 11:41 AM (QC/4S)
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Hobo: Spain vs. US in 1815 would be a much tougher fight, if only because Spain might well get help from the British again.
ON the other hand, it would absolutely WELD together the US and Spain's restive New World colonies as being traditional allies.
ON the other hand, it would absolutely WELD together the US and Spain's restive New World colonies as being traditional allies.
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289. Yeah.....it's the other way around.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at September 17, 2017 11:41 AM (fA1SL)
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I agree that there are many similarities between the Revolutionary War, and Vietnam. Barbara Tuchman made that point in The Pursuit if Folly, btw.
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"The March of Folly".
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"The March of Folly".
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doppelganger To the Stars! at September 17, 2017 11:42 AM (Nwg0u)
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All Hail Eris, don't let the security review people see your coloring books on the next review.
"Oh my gawd, did you see what she drew as Elmo?"
"Oh my gawd, did you see what she drew as Elmo?"
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 17, 2017 11:43 AM (NkMRl)
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My understanding is the war began, because the U.S. foolishly tried to flex muscles it did not really have.
I would assume there were mixed feelings in England, some who wanted
to bloody our noses, some who thought it a pointless distraction from
the continental problems, and some who dreamed of re-asserting British
authority over its colonies.
I think the reality is closest to the first two. We certainly got
our noses bloodied, and it accomplished essentially nothing of value for
Britain. Cost them some in the West, as noted above, around the Great
Lakes region.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 17, 2017 11:32 AM (Pz4pT)
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The War of 1812 is a weird beast. Technically a loss and yet the US got what it wanted: An end to impressment and an end to British meddling in the west. What did the Brits get in the Americas? Well, we gave up on conquering Canada. I really can't think of anything else...
I would assume there were mixed feelings in England, some who wanted
to bloody our noses, some who thought it a pointless distraction from
the continental problems, and some who dreamed of re-asserting British
authority over its colonies.
I think the reality is closest to the first two. We certainly got
our noses bloodied, and it accomplished essentially nothing of value for
Britain. Cost them some in the West, as noted above, around the Great
Lakes region.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 17, 2017 11:32 AM (Pz4pT)
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The War of 1812 is a weird beast. Technically a loss and yet the US got what it wanted: An end to impressment and an end to British meddling in the west. What did the Brits get in the Americas? Well, we gave up on conquering Canada. I really can't think of anything else...
Posted by: Jackal at September 17, 2017 11:43 AM (o3+fQ)
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That made me think of actresses, past and present,
were what you call stunning beautiful.
Posted by: Tuna at September 17, 2017 11:40 AM (jm1YL)
Grace Kelly.
were what you call stunning beautiful.
Posted by: Tuna at September 17, 2017 11:40 AM (jm1YL)
Grace Kelly.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2017 11:44 AM (wYseH)
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214 Anna Puma
https://fas.org/irp/congress/1996_cr/s960130a.htm
Thanks for that link, telling the story of Lt. Col Richard Sakakida and Arthur Komori, our Nisei counter-intelligence agents in the Pacific. I didn't know their stories.
It makes me grateful how so many Americans gave it all so we could chat here today.
https://fas.org/irp/congress/1996_cr/s960130a.htm
Thanks for that link, telling the story of Lt. Col Richard Sakakida and Arthur Komori, our Nisei counter-intelligence agents in the Pacific. I didn't know their stories.
It makes me grateful how so many Americans gave it all so we could chat here today.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at September 17, 2017 11:44 AM (Ndje9)
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No, I've been thinking of moving to Egypt to become a chiropractor.
Posted by: Muldoon at September 17, 2017 11:27 AM (wPiJc)
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Trying to learn an entirely culture would be a rough task for an old giza.
Posted by: Muldoon at September 17, 2017 11:27 AM (wPiJc)
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Trying to learn an entirely culture would be a rough task for an old giza.
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288 Posted by: BurtTC at September 17, 2017 11:24 AM (Pz4pT)
Twin Peaks . Don't think Heather Graham on that show.
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 17, 2017 11:40 AM (zO1cf)
Oh she very much was. She was Norma's sister I believe.
Twin Peaks . Don't think Heather Graham on that show.
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 17, 2017 11:40 AM (zO1cf)
Oh she very much was. She was Norma's sister I believe.
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Lauren Bacall.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gentleman Drunkard at September 17, 2017 11:45 AM (Ahx4r)
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That made me think of actresses, past and present,
were what you call stunning beautiful. Not very many. Hedy Lamarr
springs to mind. Maybe Meryl Oberon, Ingrid Bergman, Vivian Leigh. I
suppose it depends on taste. One would ever call Bette Davis beautiful
or even pretty. Same foe Katherine Hepburn.
Posted by: Tuna
Bette Davis was an actin genius, one of a kind. No reason, just wanted to say it out loud.
were what you call stunning beautiful. Not very many. Hedy Lamarr
springs to mind. Maybe Meryl Oberon, Ingrid Bergman, Vivian Leigh. I
suppose it depends on taste. One would ever call Bette Davis beautiful
or even pretty. Same foe Katherine Hepburn.
Posted by: Tuna
Bette Davis was an actin genius, one of a kind. No reason, just wanted to say it out loud.
Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 11:45 AM (QC/4S)
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Anderson Cooper just questioned HRC, "Because of Russian involvement in the election, do you think there should be an ASTERIX next to..."
An American homotheckthual cannot pronounce "asterisk." On network TV.
Jesus Fucking Christ Almighty.
An American homotheckthual cannot pronounce "asterisk." On network TV.
Jesus Fucking Christ Almighty.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 17, 2017 11:45 AM (H5rtT)
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>>Do adult coloring books count as literature? Right now I'm inking in and coloring Lord Humungus.
It really is a kind of meditation, this coloring thing.
Posted by: All Hail Eris
When you say "adult" is that as in *ahem* adult?
Posted by: Shep Smith
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Calm down Shep, it's not a pop up book.
It really is a kind of meditation, this coloring thing.
Posted by: All Hail Eris
When you say "adult" is that as in *ahem* adult?
Posted by: Shep Smith
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Calm down Shep, it's not a pop up book.
Posted by: Aviator at September 17, 2017 11:46 AM (/Nite)
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304 Anderson Cooper just questioned HRC, "Because of Russian involvement in the election, do you think there should be an ASTERIX next to..."
An American homotheckthual cannot pronounce "asterisk." On network TV.
Jesus Fucking Christ Almighty.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 17, 2017 11:45 AM (H5rtT)
Asterix is a cartoon Gaul...but I don't think that's what Anderthon Cooper had in mind.
An American homotheckthual cannot pronounce "asterisk." On network TV.
Jesus Fucking Christ Almighty.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 17, 2017 11:45 AM (H5rtT)
Asterix is a cartoon Gaul...but I don't think that's what Anderthon Cooper had in mind.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 17, 2017 11:47 AM (NWiLs)
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Astrix? Was Oblisk there also?
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There is a little book I liked called "Sunrise at Saratoga." Not bad; can't recall the author's name.
In his conclusion, the writer states (I paraphrase): "Before Saratoga, the future of America was an impenetrable curtain. On the morning after Saratoga, you could see the United States of America."
Talk about a consequential victory.
In his conclusion, the writer states (I paraphrase): "Before Saratoga, the future of America was an impenetrable curtain. On the morning after Saratoga, you could see the United States of America."
Talk about a consequential victory.
Posted by: mnw at September 17, 2017 11:47 AM (Amey3)
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Hedy Lamarr springs to mind. Maybe Meryl Oberon, Ingrid Bergman, Vivian Leigh.
Whenever I see Hedy Lamarr's name pop up in a Late night movie I watch. The other two I think of are Vivian Leigh & Elizabeth Taylor. I know people say Ava Gardner....but I don't see it. I'm not from then, so there are others I'm sure, I'm just going by what I've seen in movies that pop up on TV.
Whenever I see Hedy Lamarr's name pop up in a Late night movie I watch. The other two I think of are Vivian Leigh & Elizabeth Taylor. I know people say Ava Gardner....but I don't see it. I'm not from then, so there are others I'm sure, I'm just going by what I've seen in movies that pop up on TV.
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Posted by: Insomniac at September 17, 2017 11:45 AM (NWiL
Never watched it. Just pulled up cast for TP. Didn't see her. Must have missed it. Doesn't matter . No more robot sentences.
Never watched it. Just pulled up cast for TP. Didn't see her. Must have missed it. Doesn't matter . No more robot sentences.
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 17, 2017 11:47 AM (zO1cf)
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We fired our cannon 'till the barrel melted down
So we grabbed an alligator and we fought another round
We filled his head with cannonballs 'n' powdered his behind
And when we touched the powder off, the gator lost his mind
So we grabbed an alligator and we fought another round
We filled his head with cannonballs 'n' powdered his behind
And when we touched the powder off, the gator lost his mind
Posted by: General Rodham Clinton at September 17, 2017 11:48 AM (8flQp)
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>>Do adult coloring books count as literature? Right now I'm inking in and coloring Lord Humungus.
It really is a kind of meditation, this coloring thing.
Posted by: All Hail Eris
The important question - are you able to stay inside the lines?
It really is a kind of meditation, this coloring thing.
Posted by: All Hail Eris
The important question - are you able to stay inside the lines?
Posted by: Aviator at September 17, 2017 11:48 AM (/Nite)
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That's some library. Perusing some of the stacks is not for the acraphobic,, akroophobic... people afraid of heights.
Posted by: George V at September 17, 2017 11:48 AM (LUHWu)
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That made me think of actresses, past and present,
were what you call stunning beautiful.
Posted by: Tuna at September 17, 2017 11:40 AM (jm1YL)
Suzanne Pleshette
http://preview.tinyurl.com/m53lnyd
were what you call stunning beautiful.
Posted by: Tuna at September 17, 2017 11:40 AM (jm1YL)
Suzanne Pleshette
http://preview.tinyurl.com/m53lnyd
Posted by: Jake Holenhead at September 17, 2017 11:49 AM (T33X5)
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All Hail Eris, that must be some curve...
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 17, 2017 11:49 AM (NkMRl)
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Anderson Cooper is such a Humperdoo.
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Posted by: Captain Hate at September 17, 2017 11:09 AM (y7DUB)
Another excellent book in "Paris In the Terror." It was written in the 1960's and is out of print, but you can find used copies online.
Charlotte Corday was one brave, cool cookie.
Another excellent book in "Paris In the Terror." It was written in the 1960's and is out of print, but you can find used copies online.
Charlotte Corday was one brave, cool cookie.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V sez: beat the Marlins, Crew! at September 17, 2017 11:49 AM (P8951)
Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 11:49 AM (QC/4S)
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And Hillary is a Frumperdoo
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Well, we gave up on conquering Canada. I really can't think of anything else...
Posted by: Jackal
It's a good thing we didn't conquer and enslave Canadians. Otherwise today we'd have Canadians rioting and shooting each other in the inner cities and demanding reparations.
Posted by: Jackal
It's a good thing we didn't conquer and enslave Canadians. Otherwise today we'd have Canadians rioting and shooting each other in the inner cities and demanding reparations.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at September 17, 2017 11:50 AM (/qEW2)
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If you're looking for a real paperback book version of Lord of the
World, I recommend the Monroe St. Press version with an introduction and
some explanatory notes by me... you can find it at
www.monroestpress.com on the Science Fiction and Futuristic page. I know
it's generally been marketed as a "Catholic" novel but I think it could
also qualify as a steampunk novel due to the airships....
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I read it on my tablet (my first book this way) and I didn't like reading it that way. I might actually pick it up in paperback.
BTW...Lord of the World is actually kind of terrifying, since, like 1984, it's applicable to events happening today. I think that anyone who likes dystopian fiction and politics will like it. . I didn't like it was much as 1984 (which is actually one of my favorite books) but liked it a lot more than Brave New World.
As for Pope Francis liking it, that stunned me as well. However. Pope Francis could, like our president, be the victim of perpetual fake news. Or he could simply favor a one world government with a one world religion headed by... him. Which is not the case at all in the book, in which independent religion is... well, let's just say "not favored."
World, I recommend the Monroe St. Press version with an introduction and
some explanatory notes by me... you can find it at
www.monroestpress.com on the Science Fiction and Futuristic page. I know
it's generally been marketed as a "Catholic" novel but I think it could
also qualify as a steampunk novel due to the airships....
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I read it on my tablet (my first book this way) and I didn't like reading it that way. I might actually pick it up in paperback.
BTW...Lord of the World is actually kind of terrifying, since, like 1984, it's applicable to events happening today. I think that anyone who likes dystopian fiction and politics will like it. . I didn't like it was much as 1984 (which is actually one of my favorite books) but liked it a lot more than Brave New World.
As for Pope Francis liking it, that stunned me as well. However. Pope Francis could, like our president, be the victim of perpetual fake news. Or he could simply favor a one world government with a one world religion headed by... him. Which is not the case at all in the book, in which independent religion is... well, let's just say "not favored."
Posted by: shibumi at September 17, 2017 11:50 AM (aT+Bx)
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Really. How could I have forgotten Sophia Loren? She's still a stunner.
Posted by: Tuna at September 17, 2017 11:50 AM (jm1YL)
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I spent a year in Paris where I was able to eke out a living as a plasterer.
I really got wrapped up in my work.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 17, 2017 11:34 AM
I Louvre your work!
I really got wrapped up in my work.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 17, 2017 11:34 AM
I Louvre your work!
Posted by: Paris Hilton at September 17, 2017 11:51 AM (Av387)
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Oh this *is* the book thread so... one night I got bored this week and read Wizard Of Oz. Silver shoes, not the ruby ones...
It's episodic; an Edgar Rice Burroughs for little girls. I was surprised to find myself wanting to read the next chapter.
Also the author, for all that he's writing at a six year old's level, has a nose for irony. The lion thinks he's a coward but he's constantly overcoming his fear to save the party. The scarecrow with "no brain" but thinks his way out of a puzzle. The tin man is a loyal friend to the group. The wizard is, of course, still a humbug. (This doesn't translate into the movie.)
Apparently there's some 1900-era political analogy in the reference to silver, but I honestly didn't catch it. I hear the later books get all feministy and socialisty, but again none this is in Wizard.
Another point: I think this book was an influence on Die unendliche Geschichte. Here's the final return to the Emerald City / Ivory Tower! Oh, no... there's more...
It's episodic; an Edgar Rice Burroughs for little girls. I was surprised to find myself wanting to read the next chapter.
Also the author, for all that he's writing at a six year old's level, has a nose for irony. The lion thinks he's a coward but he's constantly overcoming his fear to save the party. The scarecrow with "no brain" but thinks his way out of a puzzle. The tin man is a loyal friend to the group. The wizard is, of course, still a humbug. (This doesn't translate into the movie.)
Apparently there's some 1900-era political analogy in the reference to silver, but I honestly didn't catch it. I hear the later books get all feministy and socialisty, but again none this is in Wizard.
Another point: I think this book was an influence on Die unendliche Geschichte. Here's the final return to the Emerald City / Ivory Tower! Oh, no... there's more...
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 17, 2017 11:51 AM (6FqZa)
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And a young Elizabeth Taylor
Posted by: Tuna at September 17, 2017 11:51 AM (jm1YL)
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The Canadians still remember "Fifty-Four Forty or Fight" so don't try to sweep it all under the 1812 rug. 
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The important question - are you able to stay inside the lines?
Posted by: Aviator at September 17, 2017 11:48 AM (/Nite)
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My coloring genius cannot be contained!
Posted by: Aviator at September 17, 2017 11:48 AM (/Nite)
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My coloring genius cannot be contained!
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Four female American tourists have been attacked with acid in the French city of Marseille.
From WZ.
From WZ.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doppelganger To the Stars! at September 17, 2017 11:52 AM (Nwg0u)
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Posted by: BurtTC at September 17, 2017 11:24 AM (Pz4pT)
Twin Peaks . Don't think Heather Graham on that show.
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 17, 2017 11:40 AM (zO1cf)
Oh she very much was. She was Norma's sister I believe.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 17, 2017 11:45 AM (NWiLs)
Yep, Norma's sister, who had been living in a convent before returning to Twin Peaks and becoming Agent Cooper's love interest in season 2. Poor timing on her part, one might add. Very poor timing indeed.
Twin Peaks . Don't think Heather Graham on that show.
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 17, 2017 11:40 AM (zO1cf)
Oh she very much was. She was Norma's sister I believe.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 17, 2017 11:45 AM (NWiLs)
Yep, Norma's sister, who had been living in a convent before returning to Twin Peaks and becoming Agent Cooper's love interest in season 2. Poor timing on her part, one might add. Very poor timing indeed.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 17, 2017 11:52 AM (Pz4pT)
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325. I am Zed. Zed for Zardoz.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at September 17, 2017 11:52 AM (fA1SL)
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The goal is to make you question logic and reason and to sow mistrust
toward exactly the people we need to rely on: our leaders, the press,
experts who seek to guide public policy based on evidence, ourselves.
Exactly, you cousin humping, mouth breathing, unwashed imbecilic masses.
toward exactly the people we need to rely on: our leaders, the press,
experts who seek to guide public policy based on evidence, ourselves.
Exactly, you cousin humping, mouth breathing, unwashed imbecilic masses.
Posted by: Jonathan Gruber, MIT Economist at September 17, 2017 11:53 AM (JO9+V)
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Hedy Lamarr springs to mind. Maybe Meryl Oberon, Ingrid Bergman, Vivian Leigh.
Obligatory: "That's Hedley!"
Hedy Lamarr springs to mind. Maybe Meryl Oberon, Ingrid Bergman, Vivian Leigh.
Obligatory: "That's Hedley!"
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 17, 2017 11:53 AM (0hfEM)
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'n' powdered his behind
Posted by: General Rodham Clinton at September 17, 2017 11:48 AM
Be glad she's not powdering your behind.
Posted by: General Rodham Clinton at September 17, 2017 11:48 AM
Be glad she's not powdering your behind.
Posted by: Huma at September 17, 2017 11:54 AM (Av387)
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Well, we gave up on conquering Canada. I really can't think of anything else...
Posted by: Jackal at September 17, 2017 11:43 AM (o3+fQ)
It's a big deal to the Canucks. Laura Secord, who traveled 20 miles from behind American lines to warn the Brits of an attack, is considered a hero there. She is also the woman who gave her name to tasty chocolates.
Very few Americans know who she was.
Posted by: Jackal at September 17, 2017 11:43 AM (o3+fQ)
It's a big deal to the Canucks. Laura Secord, who traveled 20 miles from behind American lines to warn the Brits of an attack, is considered a hero there. She is also the woman who gave her name to tasty chocolates.
Very few Americans know who she was.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V sez: beat the Marlins, Crew! at September 17, 2017 11:55 AM (P8951)
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Huh. I had no idea there was Catholic Sci-Fi.
I used to like reading dystopian novels & watching dystopian movies...but that was before I started to feel like I was living in the beginning of one. Now I tend to shy away from dystopia themed things.
I used to like reading dystopian novels & watching dystopian movies...but that was before I started to feel like I was living in the beginning of one. Now I tend to shy away from dystopia themed things.
Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla at September 17, 2017 11:55 AM (IF7/S)
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Yep, Norma's sister, who had been living in a convent before returning to Twin Peaks and becoming Agent Cooper's love interest in season 2. Poor timing on her part, one might add. Very poor timing indeed.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 17, 2017 11:52 AM (Pz4pT)
Quite.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 17, 2017 11:52 AM (Pz4pT)
Quite.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 17, 2017 11:56 AM (NWiLs)
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319 Suzanne Pleshette
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was she on Bob Newhart, by chance ?
Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 11:49 AM (QC/4S)
Yes.
She even put in an appearance in the 80s Newhart show, the one where he was an innkeeper in Vermont, on the very last episode.
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was she on Bob Newhart, by chance ?
Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 11:49 AM (QC/4S)
Yes.
She even put in an appearance in the 80s Newhart show, the one where he was an innkeeper in Vermont, on the very last episode.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 17, 2017 11:56 AM (Z76KH)
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*well, the wizard's humbug translates; the party's innate abilities don't, except maybe Tin Man's.
Basically what the wizard does is give the party the trophies they've already earned. This is spelled out in the movie, for idiots.
Basically what the wizard does is give the party the trophies they've already earned. This is spelled out in the movie, for idiots.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 17, 2017 11:56 AM (6FqZa)
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Katherine Ross
Posted by: MAxIE at September 17, 2017 11:57 AM (9TR2V)
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"CAPNOMANCY is divination by examining the patterns made by smoke."
Hey I studied that in college. Never knew it was called that though.
Hey I studied that in college. Never knew it was called that though.
Posted by: freaked at September 17, 2017 11:57 AM (UdKB7)
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"Most Hollowwood actresses are NOT stunningly beautiful. I chose that word, pretty, specifically to mean essentially how you describe her."
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That made me think of actresses, past and present, were what you call stunning beautiful. Not very many. Hedy Lamarr springs to mind. Maybe Meryl Oberon, Ingrid Bergman, Vivian Leigh. I suppose it depends on taste. One would ever call Bette Davis beautiful or even pretty. Same foe Katherine Hepburn.
Posted by: Tuna at September 17, 2017 11:40 AM (jm1YL)
I just rewatched the movie, "Sullivan's Travels," by the great Preston Sturges.
If any of you haven't seen that film, you should be ashamed of yourselves. You go now, watch it!!
Anyhoo... Veronica Lake. About as va va voom as anybody ever to star in Hollowwood, and yet... she's really kinda odd looking. A flat forehead, beady little eyes. She's awfully cute, alright, and surprisingly good as an actress in that role!
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That made me think of actresses, past and present, were what you call stunning beautiful. Not very many. Hedy Lamarr springs to mind. Maybe Meryl Oberon, Ingrid Bergman, Vivian Leigh. I suppose it depends on taste. One would ever call Bette Davis beautiful or even pretty. Same foe Katherine Hepburn.
Posted by: Tuna at September 17, 2017 11:40 AM (jm1YL)
I just rewatched the movie, "Sullivan's Travels," by the great Preston Sturges.
If any of you haven't seen that film, you should be ashamed of yourselves. You go now, watch it!!
Anyhoo... Veronica Lake. About as va va voom as anybody ever to star in Hollowwood, and yet... she's really kinda odd looking. A flat forehead, beady little eyes. She's awfully cute, alright, and surprisingly good as an actress in that role!
Posted by: BurtTC at September 17, 2017 11:57 AM (Pz4pT)
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Hedy Lamarr springs to mind. Maybe Meryl Oberon, Ingrid Bergman, Vivian Leigh.
Obligatory: "That's Hedley!"
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 17, 2017 11:53 AM (0hfEM)
Also obligatory: she invented WiFi security.
Obligatory: "That's Hedley!"
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 17, 2017 11:53 AM (0hfEM)
Also obligatory: she invented WiFi security.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 17, 2017 11:58 AM (Z76KH)
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She even put in an appearance in the 80s Newhart show, the one where he was an innkeeper in Vermont, on the very last episode.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 17, 2017 11:56 AM (Z76KH)
That was an awesome moment, that last scene.
She even put in an appearance in the 80s Newhart show, the one where he was an innkeeper in Vermont, on the very last episode.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at September 17, 2017 11:56 AM (Z76KH)
That was an awesome moment, that last scene.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gentleman Drunkard at September 17, 2017 11:58 AM (Ahx4r)
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Hey I studied that in college. Never knew it was called that though.
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Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 11:58 AM (QC/4S)
Posted by: t-bird at September 17, 2017 11:59 AM (pszv/)
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Yep, Norma's sister, who had been living in a convent before returning to Twin Peaks and becoming Agent Cooper's love interest in season 2. Poor timing on her part, one might add. Very poor timing indeed.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 17, 2017 11:52 AM (Pz4pT)
Quite.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 17, 2017 11:56 AM (NWiLs)
I really better watch the new season soon, before spoilers start getting thrown out there.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 17, 2017 11:52 AM (Pz4pT)
Quite.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 17, 2017 11:56 AM (NWiLs)
I really better watch the new season soon, before spoilers start getting thrown out there.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 17, 2017 11:59 AM (Pz4pT)
Posted by: runner at September 17, 2017 11:59 AM (QC/4S)
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This last week I read a spy/adventurer/detective thriller by William Diehl titled Thai Horse. I've never read anything by him before, but I did notice in his biblio that he wrote Sharky's Machine. And since I've never read that, I have no idea how it compares to the movie, but I did like that story line.
It's a pretty darn good read, if you like that sort of novel. 3.5-4/5 stars. I was reading it in bigger gulps than is my usual wont.
It's a pretty darn good read, if you like that sort of novel. 3.5-4/5 stars. I was reading it in bigger gulps than is my usual wont.
Posted by: GnuBreed at September 17, 2017 12:00 PM (0ogQG)
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What were those big ass old books used for anyways?
Quite large they are.
And there you go again, mentioning Latin. I need my service Hillary and my safe space now.
I will add "Lord of the World" to my get section while out and about.
Quite large they are.
And there you go again, mentioning Latin. I need my service Hillary and my safe space now.
I will add "Lord of the World" to my get section while out and about.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 17, 2017 12:01 PM (5VlCp)
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CAPNOMANCY is divination by examining the patterns made by smoke.
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I have seen the future of Colorado and it sucks.
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I have seen the future of Colorado and it sucks.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doppelganger To the Stars! at September 17, 2017 12:01 PM (Nwg0u)
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Very few Americans know who she was.
I didn't. I'll have to look into it. Of course, it has nothing...nothing...to do with the fact I'm curious about her chocolate legacy.
I didn't. I'll have to look into it. Of course, it has nothing...nothing...to do with the fact I'm curious about her chocolate legacy.
Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla at September 17, 2017 12:01 PM (IF7/S)
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LOLZ ! J-Law on drudge !
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I really better watch the new season soon, before spoilers start getting thrown out there.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 17, 2017 11:59 AM (Pz4pT)
I'd like to see it but I don't have Showtime. I'm sure it'll pop up on DVD eventually.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 17, 2017 11:59 AM (Pz4pT)
I'd like to see it but I don't have Showtime. I'm sure it'll pop up on DVD eventually.
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nood comments
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The Canadians still remember "Fifty-Four Forty or Fight" so don't try to sweep it all under the 1812 rug.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 17, 2017 11:51 AM (NkMRl)
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Meh, that wasn't a threat of conquest, though. It would have given the US B.C.,and a possible contiguous connection to AK (assuming we bought it.).
The Canadians still remember "Fifty-Four Forty or Fight" so don't try to sweep it all under the 1812 rug.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 17, 2017 11:51 AM (NkMRl)
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Meh, that wasn't a threat of conquest, though. It would have given the US B.C.,and a possible contiguous connection to AK (assuming we bought it.).
Posted by: Jackal at September 17, 2017 12:03 PM (o3+fQ)
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War of 1812 again:
What the U.S. most wanted from that war was an end to the British arming & supplying of the Indians. That longstanding British policy impeded American expansion. That American goal was achieved.
That particular war aim is usually forgotten.
I'm sorry, but I can't agree that the U.S. got its "ass kicked" either, not at all. Again, by the time the Treaty of Paris was signed (before New Orleans), the war in the west had turned in America's favor, and the British were well aware of it. Brock & Tecumseh were KIA. The USN controlled the Great Lakes, etc.
What the U.S. most wanted from that war was an end to the British arming & supplying of the Indians. That longstanding British policy impeded American expansion. That American goal was achieved.
That particular war aim is usually forgotten.
I'm sorry, but I can't agree that the U.S. got its "ass kicked" either, not at all. Again, by the time the Treaty of Paris was signed (before New Orleans), the war in the west had turned in America's favor, and the British were well aware of it. Brock & Tecumseh were KIA. The USN controlled the Great Lakes, etc.
Posted by: mnw at September 17, 2017 12:03 PM (Amey3)
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I assume the antiphonaries were so large because the whole liturgical choir was standing there reading along as they sang. I hope it was put on a plinth and some poor junior monk didn't have to hold up the thing for hours.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 17, 2017 12:04 PM (qJtVm)
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Since book thread, will repeat that I'm almost through A Writer at War, about Vasiliy Grossman, the premier correspondent for the Red Army newspaper Krasnaya Zvezda (Red Star). He spent most of the war at the front, much of that time in the key battles. The book draws on his diaries as well as his most famous dispatches, with excellent context and detail added by Antony Beevor.
For WWII and of course especially eastern front geeks, very highly recommended.
For WWII and of course especially eastern front geeks, very highly recommended.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 17, 2017 12:04 PM (QDnY+)
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Huh. I had no idea there was Catholic Sci-Fi.
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A 'Canticle For Leibowitz' is obviously a classic. Hope for Western Civilization surviving dark ages. If you haven't read it, please do.
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A 'Canticle For Leibowitz' is obviously a classic. Hope for Western Civilization surviving dark ages. If you haven't read it, please do.
Posted by: mustbequantum at September 17, 2017 12:04 PM (MIKMs)
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Laura Secord, who traveled 20 miles from behind American lines to warn
the Brits of an attack, is considered a hero there. She is also the
woman who gave her name to tasty chocolates.
Little Debbies?
the Brits of an attack, is considered a hero there. She is also the
woman who gave her name to tasty chocolates.
Little Debbies?
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 17, 2017 12:05 PM (JO9+V)
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342 336 Huh. I had no idea there was Catholic Sci-Fi.
A guilty pleasure I'm sure.
Ha. Okay...it took me awhile to get that one. A coconut fell on my head this morning, so not my fault.
A guilty pleasure I'm sure.
Ha. Okay...it took me awhile to get that one. A coconut fell on my head this morning, so not my fault.
Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla at September 17, 2017 12:05 PM (IF7/S)
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On large books: the Great Bible of 1539. King Henry VIII sent this monster out to the Church of England's bishoprics. It was yuuge.
It also cost a lot to print, because yuuge, and the cost of paper and ink in the England of the day. So the churches lucky enough to get one chained the book to the pulpits.
It also cost a lot to print, because yuuge, and the cost of paper and ink in the England of the day. So the churches lucky enough to get one chained the book to the pulpits.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 17, 2017 12:05 PM (6FqZa)
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Second 'Canticle For Leibowitz'. Must-read moron literature.
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some poor junior monk didn't have to hold up the thing for hours.
Cue up the monks from Monty Python and the Quest for the Holy Grail.
Cue up the monks from Monty Python and the Quest for the Holy Grail.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 17, 2017 12:07 PM (NkMRl)
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where did the grey box quote of the FAB's "book" come from?
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When did J-Law become relevant? I always thought she was some bimbo pretending to be hot and naked in blue paint.
I work with chicks from 25 to 45 years old that are better looking and more intelligent than she could hope be.
I work with chicks from 25 to 45 years old that are better looking and more intelligent than she could hope be.
Posted by: Fritz at September 17, 2017 12:07 PM (8flQp)
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No, I've been thinking of moving to Egypt to become a chiropractor.
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I've heard the whole profession is just a pyramid scheme.
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I've heard the whole profession is just a pyramid scheme.
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Posted by: mustbequantum at September 17, 2017 12:04 PM (MIKMs)
Ty. I will. Never heard of these...but then, that is what the book thread offers.
Ty. I will. Never heard of these...but then, that is what the book thread offers.
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The Canadians still remember "Fifty-Four Forty or Fight" so don't try to sweep it all under the 1812 rug.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 17, 2017 11:51 AM (NkMRl)
There's also 'The Pig War' that defined the boundry between western Washington and British Columbia. And the 'war' did start because of a pig.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 17, 2017 11:51 AM (NkMRl)
There's also 'The Pig War' that defined the boundry between western Washington and British Columbia. And the 'war' did start because of a pig.
Posted by: Jake Holenhead at September 17, 2017 12:09 PM (T33X5)
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Anna P
I don't "sweep '54/40 or fight'," under the rug at all.
That war aim was important to a faction in Congress led by Henry Clay. However, impressment & seizure of U.S. ships on the high seas were a more important cause of the war than American designs on western Canada, in my view.
"54/40 or fight" will always be the be all and end all cases belli for NPR types of course.
I don't "sweep '54/40 or fight'," under the rug at all.
That war aim was important to a faction in Congress led by Henry Clay. However, impressment & seizure of U.S. ships on the high seas were a more important cause of the war than American designs on western Canada, in my view.
"54/40 or fight" will always be the be all and end all cases belli for NPR types of course.
Posted by: mnw at September 17, 2017 12:10 PM (Amey3)
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War of 1812 again:
What the U.S. most wanted from that war was an end to the British
arming supplying of the Indians. That longstanding British policy
impeded American expansion. That American goal was achieved.
That particular war aim is usually forgotten.
I'm sorry, but I can't agree that the U.S. got its "ass kicked"
either, not at all. Again, by the time the Treaty of Paris was signed
(before New Orleans), the war in the west had turned in America's favor,
and the British were well aware of it. Brock Tecumseh were KIA.
The USN controlled the Great Lakes, etc.
Posted by: mnw at September 17, 2017 12:03 PM (Amey3)
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Don't tell the Brits that. They still think we lost, notwithstanding the fact that the only side that managed to attain the bulk of their prewar objectives was the US. The Brits? Maintained their hold on Canada. It tells you just how big of an "Oh Shit!" moment Napoleon escaping from Elba and retaking France was for them, however. They weren't going to spread themselves too thin like they did in the War of Independence.
War of 1812 again:
What the U.S. most wanted from that war was an end to the British
arming supplying of the Indians. That longstanding British policy
impeded American expansion. That American goal was achieved.
That particular war aim is usually forgotten.
I'm sorry, but I can't agree that the U.S. got its "ass kicked"
either, not at all. Again, by the time the Treaty of Paris was signed
(before New Orleans), the war in the west had turned in America's favor,
and the British were well aware of it. Brock Tecumseh were KIA.
The USN controlled the Great Lakes, etc.
Posted by: mnw at September 17, 2017 12:03 PM (Amey3)
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Don't tell the Brits that. They still think we lost, notwithstanding the fact that the only side that managed to attain the bulk of their prewar objectives was the US. The Brits? Maintained their hold on Canada. It tells you just how big of an "Oh Shit!" moment Napoleon escaping from Elba and retaking France was for them, however. They weren't going to spread themselves too thin like they did in the War of Independence.
Posted by: Jackal at September 17, 2017 12:10 PM (o3+fQ)
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Apparently there's some 1900-era political analogy in the reference to silver, but I honestly didn't catch it. I hear the later books get all feministy and socialisty, but again none this is in Wizard.
Another point: I think this book was an influence on Die unendliche Geschichte. Here's the final return to the Emerald City / Ivory Tower! Oh, no... there's more...
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo
In high school they taught us that 'Follow the Yellow Brick Road' was Baum's attempt to convince America to get on the gold standard.
Another point: I think this book was an influence on Die unendliche Geschichte. Here's the final return to the Emerald City / Ivory Tower! Oh, no... there's more...
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo
In high school they taught us that 'Follow the Yellow Brick Road' was Baum's attempt to convince America to get on the gold standard.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at September 17, 2017 12:11 PM (/qEW2)
Posted by: mnw at September 17, 2017 12:11 PM (Amey3)
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When did J-Law become relevant?
She won an Academy Award & is considered very talented. It is not really about the looks so much. But since I don't even think Marlon Brando was the towering talent people race about, I can't tell you what makes J-Law so great? But she def. is a good actress, IMO.
She won an Academy Award & is considered very talented. It is not really about the looks so much. But since I don't even think Marlon Brando was the towering talent people race about, I can't tell you what makes J-Law so great? But she def. is a good actress, IMO.
Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla at September 17, 2017 12:12 PM (IF7/S)
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Hillary's book should be shelved in the "Fantasy" section
Posted by: Tuna at September 17, 2017 12:14 PM (jm1YL)
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In high school they taught us that 'Follow the Yellow Brick Road' was Baum's attempt to convince America to get on the gold standard.
Huh. To lodge the meme into readers' minds?
Because the Yellow Brick Road, in reality, leads to the Wizard who just wastes Dorothy's time.
Huh. To lodge the meme into readers' minds?
Because the Yellow Brick Road, in reality, leads to the Wizard who just wastes Dorothy's time.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 17, 2017 12:16 PM (6FqZa)
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Came in middle of conversation so don't know if Yvonne De Carlo has been tossed into that mix.
Ten Commandments through McClintock.
Shibooms, glad your recommendation got mentioned. That and your last comments on it have, for me, opened a new window into who you are.
I'll go back through the thread later to catch all your comments on it.
I might recommend Robert Van Kampen's "The Sign" as a very good over view of eschatology and for insight into the rapture itself, Marv Rosenthal is dead bang on in "The Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church."
Both are studies of the subjects. Not novels.
Ten Commandments through McClintock.
Shibooms, glad your recommendation got mentioned. That and your last comments on it have, for me, opened a new window into who you are.
I'll go back through the thread later to catch all your comments on it.
I might recommend Robert Van Kampen's "The Sign" as a very good over view of eschatology and for insight into the rapture itself, Marv Rosenthal is dead bang on in "The Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church."
Both are studies of the subjects. Not novels.
Posted by: teej at September 17, 2017 12:18 PM (T3zWB)
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Apparently there's some 1900-era political analogy in the reference to silver, but I honestly didn't catch it. I hear the later books get all feministy and socialisty, but again none this is in Wizard.
The "Free Silver" movement, for the unlimited coinage of silver, Or calls for the coinage of silver at a different rate than the government supported. Either of which would cheapen the dollar.
Apparently there's some 1900-era political analogy in the reference to silver, but I honestly didn't catch it. I hear the later books get all feministy and socialisty, but again none this is in Wizard.
The "Free Silver" movement, for the unlimited coinage of silver, Or calls for the coinage of silver at a different rate than the government supported. Either of which would cheapen the dollar.
Posted by: Fox2! at September 17, 2017 12:19 PM (brIR5)
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"Anyhoo... Veronica Lake. About as va va voom as anybody ever to star in Hollowwood, and yet... she's really kinda odd looking. A flat forehead, beady little eyes. She's awfully cute, alright, and surprisingly good as an actress in that role!"
She was awfully, awfully cute in "I Married a Witch" with Fredric March.
She was awfully, awfully cute in "I Married a Witch" with Fredric March.
Posted by: Tuna at September 17, 2017 12:20 PM (jm1YL)
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I still don't see a Player's Handbook.
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It also cost a lot to print, because yuuge, and the
cost of paper and ink in the England of the day. So the churches lucky
enough to get one chained the book to the pulpits. Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 17, 2017 12:05 PM (6FqZa)
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I seem to recall that most libraries chained books back in the day. Paper, ink, handwriting, etc were so labor intensive and expensive that books were literally chained and the Librarian had to unlock to use one of them. So they weren't as portable as jewels or gold, but still represented unimaginable wealth.
cost of paper and ink in the England of the day. So the churches lucky
enough to get one chained the book to the pulpits. Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 17, 2017 12:05 PM (6FqZa)
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I seem to recall that most libraries chained books back in the day. Paper, ink, handwriting, etc were so labor intensive and expensive that books were literally chained and the Librarian had to unlock to use one of them. So they weren't as portable as jewels or gold, but still represented unimaginable wealth.
Posted by: mustbequantum at September 17, 2017 12:21 PM (MIKMs)
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From Eris' link way, way up thread to monks singing Gregorian chants, I'm now listening to Viking warrior chants. Gotta love ADD, or ADHD, or ABCD, but dang is this stuff good.
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Posted by: Jake Holenhead at September 17, 2017 12:25 PM (T33X5)
I went to Egyptian music, then to Templar toonz, and now I'm listening to 80's synthwave.
I went to Egyptian music, then to Templar toonz, and now I'm listening to 80's synthwave.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 17, 2017 12:28 PM (qJtVm)
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The Canadians still remember "Fifty-Four Forty or Fight" so don't try to sweep it all under the 1812 rug.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 17, 2017 11:51 AM (NkMRl)
I grew up in Polk County and when I was in Jr high school I had a shirt that said "Fifty-Four Forty or Fight"
I think it was a shirt from one of the local museums.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 17, 2017 11:51 AM (NkMRl)
I grew up in Polk County and when I was in Jr high school I had a shirt that said "Fifty-Four Forty or Fight"
I think it was a shirt from one of the local museums.
Posted by: Kindltot at September 17, 2017 12:31 PM (Gv+zt)
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Charlotte Corday was one brave, cool cookie.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V sez: beat the Marlins, Crew! at September 17, 2017 11:49 AM (P8951)
She was my heroine for stabbing that piece of shit Marat while he was in the bathtub nursing his disgusting skin disorders. She came from strong Norman stock which meant she had world class ass kicking in her blood. Schama was very descriptive of how the feral vermin displayed Marat's putrefying body lacking modern embalming techniques during a brutal heatwave. The stupid fucks who wanted to honor him were losing their lunch over the stench even with dousing it in cologne. Even limbs started falling off of the rancid cockwipe.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V sez: beat the Marlins, Crew! at September 17, 2017 11:49 AM (P8951)
She was my heroine for stabbing that piece of shit Marat while he was in the bathtub nursing his disgusting skin disorders. She came from strong Norman stock which meant she had world class ass kicking in her blood. Schama was very descriptive of how the feral vermin displayed Marat's putrefying body lacking modern embalming techniques during a brutal heatwave. The stupid fucks who wanted to honor him were losing their lunch over the stench even with dousing it in cologne. Even limbs started falling off of the rancid cockwipe.
Posted by: Captain Hate at September 17, 2017 12:33 PM (y7DUB)
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Captain Hate, I wish you were a docent at the Museum of Fine Arts.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 17, 2017 12:37 PM (qJtVm)
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Currently reading John Cart of Mars stories. Fun pulp stuff, over the top but entertaining.
Also listening to an audio recording of Prisoner of Zenda. The reader is very English and the recording is sometimes not very clear so I am missing bits, but overall its quite good. Very entertaining story, its easy to see why this became a classic, and why terms like "Ruritania" became a part of the English language.
Also listening to an audio recording of Prisoner of Zenda. The reader is very English and the recording is sometimes not very clear so I am missing bits, but overall its quite good. Very entertaining story, its easy to see why this became a classic, and why terms like "Ruritania" became a part of the English language.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2017 12:43 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Jake Holenhead at September 17, 2017 12:43 PM (T33X5)
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I'm not a huge fan of books on tape, but this was the only format the local libraries had Prisoner of Zenda in. The reader never gives the same feel and inflection I get in my head, and its slower than reading for me.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2017 12:44 PM (39g3+)
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I went to Egyptian music, then to Templar toonz, and now I'm listening to 80's synthwave.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 17, 2017 12:28 PM (qJtVm)
Heh. Listened to the Templar stuff too. After my Viking warrior chant music lust is satisfied I'm off to The Black Angels.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 17, 2017 12:28 PM (qJtVm)
Heh. Listened to the Templar stuff too. After my Viking warrior chant music lust is satisfied I'm off to The Black Angels.
Posted by: Jake Holenhead at September 17, 2017 12:45 PM (T33X5)
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"socks" & "trolls" are closely related-- people who post under false flags to promote unpopular views.
Posted by: mnw at September 17, 2017 10:11 AM (Amey3)
Not really. Around here, sock puppets (to use the proper term) are generally used a vehicles to make a point.
See post #62 in this very thread for a perfect example of AOS sockery at its finest.
Posted by: mnw at September 17, 2017 10:11 AM (Amey3)
Not really. Around here, sock puppets (to use the proper term) are generally used a vehicles to make a point.
See post #62 in this very thread for a perfect example of AOS sockery at its finest.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 17, 2017 12:47 PM (EkNES)
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In Praise of
Posted by: Erasmus at September 17, 2017 12:48 PM (vFHFh)
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An American homotheckthual cannot pronounce "asterisk." On network TV.
Jesus Fucking Christ Almighty.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 17, 2017 11:45 AM (H5rtT)
Remarkable indeed, considering that every day he puts his ass to risk.
Jesus Fucking Christ Almighty.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 17, 2017 11:45 AM (H5rtT)
Remarkable indeed, considering that every day he puts his ass to risk.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 17, 2017 12:48 PM (EkNES)
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Ret. Buckeye Cop- TMP is The Miniature Page, a forum for anyone who works on miniatures or models for static or more usually gaming purposes. There are areas for every era from ancient to sci-fi.
Often thought to ask Anna if she has seen this site since it has lots of the fun machines she writes about.
Often thought to ask Anna if she has seen this site since it has lots of the fun machines she writes about.
Posted by: Skip at September 17, 2017 12:53 PM (ghofu)
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And comment #1 was pretty much for the soul amusement of Muldoon who as far as I see hasn't appeared today.
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For entertainment value, ask a pundit or newscaster to pronounce "social security"
It ends up "Soshacurity" or something of the sort, like a 2 year old trying to pronounce an unfamiliar name.
It ends up "Soshacurity" or something of the sort, like a 2 year old trying to pronounce an unfamiliar name.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2017 01:02 PM (39g3+)
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mnw -- One small point of disagreement on the significance of the Battle of New Orleans --
England, France, and Spain had major claims on North America. New Orleans seemed to be a confluence of those proxies. Battle of New Orleans established the US as sovereign without European battles. Yes, those countries persisted in their claims, but it did almost finalize the continental power struggle with the US on top.
England, France, and Spain had major claims on North America. New Orleans seemed to be a confluence of those proxies. Battle of New Orleans established the US as sovereign without European battles. Yes, those countries persisted in their claims, but it did almost finalize the continental power struggle with the US on top.
Posted by: mustbequantum at September 17, 2017 01:05 PM (MIKMs)
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20 ... "Hey Lord of the World sounds like it could be a good group read. Whaddya guys think?"
Sounds good to me. Consider this a yes vote.
Sounds good to me. Consider this a yes vote.
Posted by: JTB at September 17, 2017 01:10 PM (V+03K)
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TMP is The Miniature Page, a forum for anyone who works on miniatures...
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I find that offensive.
*forwards comment to SPLC*
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I find that offensive.
*forwards comment to SPLC*
Posted by: Robert Reich at September 17, 2017 01:10 PM (w1zJX)
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For sheer entertainment, it's hard to beat listening to Al Sharpton pronounce almost anything.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 17, 2017 01:12 PM (w1zJX)
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I'm not a huge fan of books on tape, but this was the only format the local libraries had Prisoner of Zenda in. The reader never gives the same feel and inflection I get in my head,
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OTOH, listening to the audio of 'What Went Wrong' might sound exactly like what you would hear in your head.
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OTOH, listening to the audio of 'What Went Wrong' might sound exactly like what you would hear in your head.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 17, 2017 01:15 PM (w1zJX)
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mbq
OK. I just don't see the ultimate disposition of North American land having much to do with legalism.
The march of English-speaking settlers to the West seems inevitable to me. France certainly knew that it could not hold Louisiana, and Spain was the sick man of the18th century.
Three big wars in North America we're enough for Britain, as I interpret Britain's actions.
OK. I just don't see the ultimate disposition of North American land having much to do with legalism.
The march of English-speaking settlers to the West seems inevitable to me. France certainly knew that it could not hold Louisiana, and Spain was the sick man of the18th century.
Three big wars in North America we're enough for Britain, as I interpret Britain's actions.
Posted by: mnw at September 17, 2017 01:18 PM (Amey3)
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Think Louisiana Purchase. Cheap at the price and easy 'legal' justification. Spain took longer, but Britain managed to keep Canada. That is why I see New Orleans as crucial.
Posted by: mustbequantum at September 17, 2017 01:24 PM (MIKMs)
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One of my favorite things is reading late 19th century and early 20th century literature. While living outside of Cincinnati I used to visit the downtown library and I was able to check out long forgotten first editions of work by HR Haggard, Raphael Sabatini and HG McNeille, among others. Quite the joy of holding such old works and the things I would find from readers of old among the pages: receipts, photographs, post cards, matchbook covers etc. I could read the last card index in the back to see when a book was last borrowed and who borrowed it. It was quite the treasure hunt.
Posted by: Locke Common at September 17, 2017 01:25 PM (IfokU)
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Before Pol Pot and his Year Zero, there was the French Revolution.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 17, 2017 01:27 PM (NkMRl)
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Before Pol Pot and his Year Zero, there was the French Revolution.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 17, 2017 01:27 PM (NkMRl)
It's impossible to overstate just how significant the French Revolution was. While our revolution was great in terms of a bunch of colonial upstarts telling their overlords to go the fuck away, France was a mega world power, surrounded by world powers, that went completely feral and sent shockwaves out everywhere that things were not the same.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 17, 2017 01:27 PM (NkMRl)
It's impossible to overstate just how significant the French Revolution was. While our revolution was great in terms of a bunch of colonial upstarts telling their overlords to go the fuck away, France was a mega world power, surrounded by world powers, that went completely feral and sent shockwaves out everywhere that things were not the same.
Posted by: Captain Hate at September 17, 2017 01:39 PM (y7DUB)
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Getting New Orleans assured control of the Mississippi River. That was imperative.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 17, 2017 01:52 PM (mpXpK)
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Was watching a program on the Vicksburg campaign and as I do looked up maps, the two didn't match up. Now I knew they tried to change the course of the river but didn't. But here it was nothing like it was in 1863. So had to look into why and here it did change, by itself all in one day some years after the war.
Posted by: Skip at September 17, 2017 01:57 PM (ghofu)
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86 Posted by: Long Running Fool at September 17, 2017 10:06 AM (oSjOY)
Yeah. Don't make the communists out to be heroes like the liberal historians have done. Show both sides evilness.
Posted by: Jack Sock
I keep forgetting to turn off my VPN when replying and Pixie banishes my replies.
Nope, Jack, showing both. The basic premise is an 11 y.o. boy goes back in time, gets befriended by a older boy/young man who tries to keep him alive in the warzone. Gets to see some of the horrors up close.
Older youth is his great-grandfather and, when the hero gets back to his own time, he understands why the old man is so vehemently opposed to communism.
Won't be that blatant, but that's the general gist that will get embedded into the story.
Yeah. Don't make the communists out to be heroes like the liberal historians have done. Show both sides evilness.
Posted by: Jack Sock
I keep forgetting to turn off my VPN when replying and Pixie banishes my replies.
Nope, Jack, showing both. The basic premise is an 11 y.o. boy goes back in time, gets befriended by a older boy/young man who tries to keep him alive in the warzone. Gets to see some of the horrors up close.
Older youth is his great-grandfather and, when the hero gets back to his own time, he understands why the old man is so vehemently opposed to communism.
Won't be that blatant, but that's the general gist that will get embedded into the story.
Posted by: Long Running Fool at September 17, 2017 01:58 PM (oSjOY)
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There are a lot of books out there . . . Two books for suggestion, The Spanish Civil War by Frances Lannon gives a good 10,000 foot view and a decent timeline of events, it seems to have the facts in line; and Homage to Catalonia by George Orwell, because that talks about the Anarchist militias' situation on the lines, and he talks about the riots that led up to the purging of the Anarchists by the Communists. Homage is a good ground-level view of the streets and the trenches, and shows a lot of the problems that made the Spanish Civil war the bloody shambles it turned out to be. It also misses a good bit of the forest for the trees, and Orwell was quite ill and injured so he didn't follow up on things.
I, of course, am endlessly fascinated with the Spanish arms industry, where the arms of so many nations were made in little more than bicycle shops.
And the funny hats with the bobbles.
Posted by: Kindltot
Thanks for the recommendations! I saw the multitude of crud on amazon and figured I'd do better with the combined wisdom of the Horde. Homage is already on the way in. I'll get Lannon's book a whirl, too.
I, of course, am endlessly fascinated with the Spanish arms industry, where the arms of so many nations were made in little more than bicycle shops.
And the funny hats with the bobbles.
Posted by: Kindltot
Thanks for the recommendations! I saw the multitude of crud on amazon and figured I'd do better with the combined wisdom of the Horde. Homage is already on the way in. I'll get Lannon's book a whirl, too.
Posted by: Long Running Fool at September 17, 2017 02:03 PM (oSjOY)
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Which makes Pol Pot even more evil than Marat. Like Ho Chi Minh, he went to France to study. He knew the evil he was going perpetrate.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at September 17, 2017 02:04 PM (NkMRl)
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Just finished re-reading Issac's Storm by Erik Larson. Was inspired by Harvey hitting Texas. An amazing book that was sad, but hard to put down. Larson has never failed in writing a good book.
Posted by: Rgallegos at September 17, 2017 02:10 PM (59GQk)
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So let me get this straight, Orwell wrote 1984 because he thought we needed to trust "our leaders"
You do not have this straight. Look, I dislike Hillary so much as the next guy, but I've read this misreading of this portion of her book some fifteen times already. For once she has it right. She's acknowledging Orwell is warning about despots while she's wrong in comparing that description to Trump and not to herself. The threat of dictatorship was stronger through her and here corrupted party and practices than it was through Trump with both parties and media keeping him checked.
So no, she was not misreading Orwell, but you are misreading her. Wrong as she is about everything else. This insistence of yours call to question your own reading comprehension.
You do not have this straight. Look, I dislike Hillary so much as the next guy, but I've read this misreading of this portion of her book some fifteen times already. For once she has it right. She's acknowledging Orwell is warning about despots while she's wrong in comparing that description to Trump and not to herself. The threat of dictatorship was stronger through her and here corrupted party and practices than it was through Trump with both parties and media keeping him checked.
So no, she was not misreading Orwell, but you are misreading her. Wrong as she is about everything else. This insistence of yours call to question your own reading comprehension.
Posted by: boure at September 17, 2017 02:16 PM (QHHHD)
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Hillary's book is a pretty poorly written thing start to finish from what Ive seen of the excerpts. Worse than that, she's misunderstanding so much of the basic meaning of issues and events that its shocking.
She's acknowledging Orwell is warning about despots
You read it through so many times and missed this quote here:
"to sow mistrust toward exactly the people we need to rely on: our leaders, the press, experts who seek to guide public policy."
In no possible way is that a warning about the evils of government. In no conceivable manner is that about agreeing with Orwell that governmental power can't be trusted.
The context is clearly about the presidential campaign which means Trump was not the government but was steering people to mistrust government. She was not referring to Trump in office misleading people about his tyrannical intentions.
She's using 1984 to try to make this point, of all books.
There is no possible way any sane and rational person can interpret that to meaning "acknowledging Orwell is warning about despots." She is plainly using this argument to mean that people are being misled about important matters by a charismatic leader -- and that those matters are that you can trust government and elites, all those in power.
Unbelievable anyone could even try to trot that out here.
In any case, from an author's point of view, watching the marketing and Amazon's willing participation in the deception is depressing. I could have a bestseller if I could afford to hire thousands of people to stand in line and buy my book, too. I could have 900 5-star reviews on my book if I had a cultic-following of true believers who'd praise my work without even having held it in their hands, too.
I get that Amazon is about sales, and low-star reviews diminish sales, but not being able to rely on reviews hurts sales, too.
She's acknowledging Orwell is warning about despots
You read it through so many times and missed this quote here:
"to sow mistrust toward exactly the people we need to rely on: our leaders, the press, experts who seek to guide public policy."
In no possible way is that a warning about the evils of government. In no conceivable manner is that about agreeing with Orwell that governmental power can't be trusted.
The context is clearly about the presidential campaign which means Trump was not the government but was steering people to mistrust government. She was not referring to Trump in office misleading people about his tyrannical intentions.
She's using 1984 to try to make this point, of all books.
There is no possible way any sane and rational person can interpret that to meaning "acknowledging Orwell is warning about despots." She is plainly using this argument to mean that people are being misled about important matters by a charismatic leader -- and that those matters are that you can trust government and elites, all those in power.
Unbelievable anyone could even try to trot that out here.
In any case, from an author's point of view, watching the marketing and Amazon's willing participation in the deception is depressing. I could have a bestseller if I could afford to hire thousands of people to stand in line and buy my book, too. I could have 900 5-star reviews on my book if I had a cultic-following of true believers who'd praise my work without even having held it in their hands, too.
I get that Amazon is about sales, and low-star reviews diminish sales, but not being able to rely on reviews hurts sales, too.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 17, 2017 02:50 PM (39g3+)
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Christopher that assumes long term thinking on there part they would think of that.
Posted by: Skip at September 17, 2017 03:00 PM (ghofu)
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Well stated, CRT. You also have a situation where whoever reviews Rodham's tree killing doorstop for the Bezos Daily Worker has to be aware of how the big boss man thinks about it.
Posted by: Captain Hate at September 17, 2017 03:13 PM (y7DUB)
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After seeing Fatal Attraction, Mr. Cheeks had quite the crush on her back in the day: Anne Archer.
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Posted by: SandyCheeks at September 17, 2017 03:26 PM (joFoi)
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Hi.
Posted by: Latemarch at September 17, 2017 04:30 PM (cneZH)
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So, I finished the last third of God Emperor of Dune. The ending did not save it, which is a pity as I remember enjoying the book when I last read it in the late 80s.
Biggest complaint- not much happens, poor characterization and conveniently convoluted dialog to drag the story on longer than needed.
Biggest complaint- not much happens, poor characterization and conveniently convoluted dialog to drag the story on longer than needed.
Posted by: Darth Randall at September 17, 2017 04:48 PM (6n332)
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Well finished The Bear and the Dragon, now will move on to the Golden Compass Trilogy which I got as a package.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 17, 2017 05:33 PM (mpXpK)
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Posted by: goodluckduck at September 17, 2017 09:13 PM (V8zw+)
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Agreed that God Emperor of Dune was lame.
I figured the good Dune books were odd-numbered. Dune; Children; and Heretics. Messiah was okay I guess, if read together with Children (the Messiah-Children miniseries got it about right).
But God-Emperor was... meh. Felt like an exposition-chapter to fill in between the trilogy and the next series.
I figured the good Dune books were odd-numbered. Dune; Children; and Heretics. Messiah was okay I guess, if read together with Children (the Messiah-Children miniseries got it about right).
But God-Emperor was... meh. Felt like an exposition-chapter to fill in between the trilogy and the next series.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 17, 2017 09:26 PM (6FqZa)
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"Lord of the World" by Robert Hugh Benson can be found free in multiple formats in the Texts section at the Internet Archive. Great place to find e-copies of older books.
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