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Saturday Evening Movie Thread 08-19-2017 [Hosted By: TheJamesMadison]

It’s a Lord of the Rings style ending here!

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That’s right, I’m just gonna keep on ending because that’s what great movies do!

Well, I was going to just leave the last one as it was and possibly revisit it later in time, but my mother, who does frequent the HQ from time to time (Hi, Mom!), insisted that I extend my thoughts a bit. So, because I’m such an independent thinker, I’m doing what my mommy told me to do.


Ending as a Culmination

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Actually, the real reason I’m revisiting the topic so soon is because I watched the original Alfie this week and it ignited a fire of thought in my brain.

I was really shocked at how much I enjoyed the film for a few reasons, but that affection almost entirely extends from how the movie ends.

For about the first half of the movie, I was a little put off because Alfie is so repellent a character and the structure of the movie doesn’t follow the typical structure that Hollywood has conditioned me to expect. Instead of a three act structure, it more closely resembles the five act structure of Shakespeare. But, by about the three-quarters mark, as the ending really began, the structure and purpose of the film became very clear to me.

We watched Alfie lead his life of debauchery, leaving human devastation in his wake, and the ending is that devastation coming back to him in different forms. His child’s mother has completely moved on to marry and have another child with another man. The innocent redhead he picked up in a truck stop bar just packed up and left. The older, vivacious, American woman has replaced him with a younger model. The married woman whose abortion he paid for goes back to her husband, the only man she had been with before Alfie, a broken woman. The sight of his dead child breaks him. In the end, he’s as alone as the mangy stray dog that opens and closes the picture.

That ending was all about bringing Alfie’s journey full circle, taking him back to the same physical place he started, but as a changed and broken man.


The Village

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M. Night Shyamalan burst onto the movie scene with The Sixth Sense and continued to impress pretty consistently through his next two movies, Unbreakable and Signs. It was at The Village that he really began the process of losing fans and it has everything to do with the ending.

Here's the thing, though, I actually quite like that ending, even though it’s out of order. People complain about the fact that the titular village is actually in the modern day and that the monsters don’t really exist. If can’t get you passed the modern day thing, then I can’t help you (it doesn’t really bother me but provides a nice explanation for the weirdness of the old-timey dialogue), but if Shyamalan had cut the ending just a little bit differently, I don’t think the problem people have with the unreality of the monsters would bother them that much.

Let’s bring ourselves back to that ending. Bryce Dallas Howard (who gives a very fine performance throughout) plays a blind girl who’s tasked with going out of the village to the “Towns” to acquire medicine for her fiancé’s stab wound. That stab wound came from Adrien Brody’s mental challenged character, Noah. Noah never received the proper attention or care he probably really needed, so he ended up acting out violently when he first felt like a jilted lover (he’s in love with Howard).

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Howard goes with a couple of young men who end up abandoning her in the forest because they so scared and in the face of Howard’s seeming bravery, they leave. It’s at this point that we get a flashback to Howard’s father (played by William Hurt) revealing the costumes the elders of the village wear to play the part of the monsters in the forest. Right there, the dynamic of the narrative changes. We, as the audience, know that the monsters are not real.

However, the movie then tries to walk that back with a line of dialogue from Hurt where he says that there were stories of monsters in the woods, and it’s on that one line of dialogue that the tension of the ending to hang. We know it’s not real, but hey, maybe it actually is. So, we see the monster (a design I quite like, by the way) pursuing Howard in the forest. I think that the attempted walkback undermines the tension in the sequence pretty thoroughly.

Because, really, what’s scarier? A monster we’ve been told isn’t real, or a young man who’s tried to kill for love before and is obviously willing to try again? It’s the attempt by Shyamalan to have his cake and eat it too in regards to the monster that pisses people off, I think. A very slight rearrangement could fix that to some degree.


Split

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Since I’ve already talked about one Shyamalan movie, why not another? And in the meantime, let’s bridge the two previous films by talking about a Shyamalan movie (like The Village) where the ending is a culmination of everything that came before (like Alfie).

I think Split is probably Shyamalan’s best movie. It’s focused and scary with great characters, a fantastic central performance from James McAvoy, and wonderful tension. The only real flaw is the psychiatrist who is named Dr. Exposition, I believe.

Anyway, the movie ends with McAvoy turning into the Beast, becoming what he had referring to through the entire movie. Creating a new personality that changes him physically and into a creature that’s as terrifying physically as he is emotionally. When he transforms, our main character ___, is still his prisoner and he ends up attacking her, culminating in this.

It's not a twist, but the culmination of an ideology, a conflict, and two people’s experiences reaching a dramatic high point.


Wow…

Okay, this got a little long. For those who’ve kept with me, thank you.

But, the essential point of the post is to call to mind two great endings (and one curiously flawed one) to talk about what I find to be ideal in how to finish a story.

What are yours?


Movies of Today

Opening in Theaters:
The Hitman’s Bodyguard
Logan Lucky

Next in my Netflix Queue:
Les Bonnes Femmes

Movies I Saw This Week:
Ballad of a Soldier (Netflix Rating 4/5 | Quality Rating 3/4) Poster blurb: “Misses the emotional core in its ending, but hits it squarely twenty minutes earlier.” [Netflix DVD]
Alfie (Netflix Rating 5/5 | Quality Rating 4/4) “Surprisingly affecting comedy/drama with a fun central turn by Michael Caine.” [Netflix DVD]


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1 Movie time!

Posted by: Skip at August 19, 2017 07:20 PM (pPKG5)

2 The Blob used that The End, or is it?( I think)

Posted by: Skip at August 19, 2017 07:22 PM (pPKG5)

3 Spoiler!

Posted by: fluffy at August 19, 2017 07:23 PM (U0v/A)

4 We should have a movie thread about girls in sundresses and straw hats.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 19, 2017 07:23 PM (gIRsn)

5 I got the corgis.
A movie was mentioned last night on a WWII movie set with Estonians, it is called 1944, the trailer is on YouTube but the movie is on Amazon Prime, maybe Netflix

Posted by: Skip at August 19, 2017 07:24 PM (pPKG5)

6 I love "The Village." It's not really a horror movie. It's an anti-horror movie. It's about love and damaged lives, with an abundance of beautiful and touching scenes. The cast is awesome, but then maybe I'm inclined to think that about any movie with Joaquin Phoenix...and yes, Ronnie Howard's daughter is stunning here.

Posted by: Caliban at August 19, 2017 07:25 PM (QE8X6)

7 BION I have never seen Alfie.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 19, 2017 07:25 PM (mpXpK)

8 I just punched up Assassin's Creed, which will proably suck.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 19, 2017 07:27 PM (LTHVh)

9 Another Russian movie I would recommend is The Dawns are Quiet Here, there isa older Communist era version and a newer version, both seem to follow the same script the difference is as a commenter on YouTube wrote the newer version has hotter western looking women.

Posted by: Skip at August 19, 2017 07:29 PM (pPKG5)

10 Oh yeah, it's the end all right. America is caving in to demands of a MINORITY. That's not how it works. None of this is how it works.

Posted by: Eromero at August 19, 2017 07:30 PM (zLDYs)

11 "vivacious" . That's a polite way to describe Shelley Winter character in Alfie.

Posted by: kallisto at August 19, 2017 07:31 PM (AAbgH)

12 I'm more of a Blazing Saddles / Caddy Shack kind of guy.

Posted by: Bonecrusher at August 19, 2017 07:31 PM (XtLTM)

13 Alfie, however, I find very difficult to watch, in spite of the stunning theme song. It's amazing he didn't destroy his career with that role. He played it to perfection...and that was the problem. An actor like Richard Burton would have glamorized the whole thing and removed a bit of the sting.

Posted by: Caliban at August 19, 2017 07:31 PM (QE8X6)

14 I liked the end of "Doubt", where the sister (Streep) admits she has, well, doubt.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 19, 2017 07:32 PM (pvjTE)

15 I have seen Alfie a couple of times but don't see past the train wreck

Posted by: Skip at August 19, 2017 07:33 PM (pPKG5)

16 Instead of son's baby visiting today, I have his puppy for a sleepover. Heh.

The ending that ruined a whole movie for me was Tootsie. After all that lying, etc he still got the girl. It just didn't work. Cute movie, but should have ended with him learning something about himself and his deceptions. But nooooo, it had to have that totally out of the blue happy ending.

Posted by: mustbequantum at August 19, 2017 07:36 PM (MIKMs)

17 I imagine the Hitman's Bodyguard is a clusterfuck movie. August movie release theory. Hot garbage.

Posted by: buzzion at August 19, 2017 07:37 PM (cAnNx)

18 The ending of "The Departed" was pretty cool. Matt Damon's brains on the wall... What more could you ask for?

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 19, 2017 07:37 PM (pvjTE)

19 Started watching "Ilsa: She-Wolf of the SS" the other night. Got about three minutes in. Might watch the rest tonight. Probably not, though.

Posted by: FireHorse at August 19, 2017 07:38 PM (zkGZ8)

20 Hey everybody.
Here's the stuff I want to pre-order from Amazon right now:

- Barton Fink (Kino, finally an official blu-ray release)
- Mr. Mom (coming out 9/5)
- Rebecca (1940, Hitchcock, Criterion, 9/5)
- The Long Riders (1979, Kino)
- Barry Lyndon (1975, Kubrick, Criterion)
- Three O'Clock High (1980s teen comedy)
- Marathon Man
- Misery (finally an official definitive edition blu-ray)

...Also, Criterion just released a blu-ray of Sid & Nancy.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 19, 2017 07:39 PM (eMKNe)

21 Apologies for this OT, Yahoo headline I just saw:

"Shipwreck of the USS Indianapolis, which helped create the atomic bomb, found".

Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 19, 2017 07:39 PM (gIRsn)

22 Logan Lucky, aka (in the script's own words) Oceans' 7-11.

It's good. Watch it.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at August 19, 2017 07:39 PM (6FqZa)

23 From other website I go to was a link to the Weekly Standard and John Podhoretz, he didn't think Dunkirk came off well. Mostly as it missed a shot at the bigger picture.

Posted by: Skip at August 19, 2017 07:40 PM (pPKG5)

24 My big problem with "The Village" is that I predicted what the twist would be from the trailer alone. It's well acted, well shot and the script is pretty good, but it was predictable.

Posted by: Darth Randall at August 19, 2017 07:41 PM (6n332)

25 I've recently heard a different theory on Signs. That they're not aliens but demons. I've never watched it but I think theory goes that in the movie its mentioned that his daughter being born was a miracle and she's the one leaving all the water glasses around. And because her birth is a miracle all that water is actually Holy Water, and that's why it burns them.

Posted by: buzzion at August 19, 2017 07:41 PM (cAnNx)

26 https://news.usni.org/2017/08/19/uss-indianapolis-wreckage-found
Passed along from thread below

Posted by: Skip at August 19, 2017 07:42 PM (pPKG5)

27 Per Jeffrey Wells (yes he still posts stuff about movies sometimes when he's not seething about Trump & Co.), in Clint Eastwood's upcoming flick, The 15:17 To Paris, which will depict a real terrorist attack in France in 2015...

The heroes who stopped the terrorists? They will not only be *in* the movie, but they will be playing themselves.

This should be interesting.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 19, 2017 07:42 PM (eMKNe)

28 Wreck-It Ralph's death would have destroyed the Fix It Felix game and thrown all its crew into homelessness. Therefore, Penelope saving him from his own self-sacrifice was the right move for the movie to make.

Even if it did weaken the value of his sacrifice, like sura 4 weakens the Crucifixion.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at August 19, 2017 07:42 PM (6FqZa)

29 I liked Split. An interesting film with a neat little tie-in to Unbreakable.


As for endings, I like most of the end of 10 Cloverfield Lane. It really had me fooled the first time around.

Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityProd (tm) at August 19, 2017 07:43 PM (/o9Qk)

30 27 Per Jeffrey Wells (yes he still posts stuff about movies sometimes when he's not seething about Trump & Co.), in Clint Eastwood's upcoming flick, The 15:17 To Paris, which will depict a real terrorist attack in France in 2015...

The heroes who stopped the terrorists? They will not only be *in* the movie, but they will be playing themselves.

This should be interesting.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 19, 2017 07:42 PM (eMKNe)



He's a few weeks behind. That was covered here quite a while ago.

Posted by: buzzion at August 19, 2017 07:43 PM (cAnNx)

31 20 Barry Lyndon has that model whose name escapes me. I can see her face and period costume but forget her name.

Posted by: kallisto at August 19, 2017 07:44 PM (AAbgH)

32 It's a Lord of the Rings style ending here!

So there's going to be a 210-minute-long follow up post?

Posted by: Insomniac at August 19, 2017 07:44 PM (0mRoj)

33 29 I liked Split. An interesting film with a neat little tie-in to Unbreakable.

Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityProd (tm) at August 19, 2017 07:43 PM (/o9Qk)

++++

That bit at the end is supposed to be a setup for a sequel, isn't it?

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 19, 2017 07:45 PM (FUu/Z)

34 buzzion, should have figured you guys were ahead. ;-)

Wells isn't even really running a Hollywood blog anymore, he's running a leftist hateblog.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 19, 2017 07:45 PM (eMKNe)

35 I really dislike the obvious "yep, gonna be a sequel. Maybe three or four" endings that so many movies have these days.

Worse still is the obvious teeing-up of entire obvious franchises/universes.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - SJWs Destroyed My Garden Because I Grew Heritage Tomatoes at August 19, 2017 07:45 PM (psH+N)

36 Shymalamadingdong.

Posted by: Otis Day at August 19, 2017 07:46 PM (8x8kp)

37 As far as endings go, "2001: A Space Odyssey" dragged way too long. Exquisite movie, though.

Posted by: FireHorse at August 19, 2017 07:46 PM (zkGZ8)

38 33 29 I liked Split. An interesting film with a neat little tie-in to Unbreakable.

Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityProd (tm) at August 19, 2017 07:43 PM (/o9Qk)

++++

That bit at the end is supposed to be a setup for a sequel, isn't it?



Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 19, 2017 07:45 PM (FUu/Z)



Hasn't a title already been announced?

Posted by: buzzion at August 19, 2017 07:46 PM (cAnNx)

39 OM - Found the Ludwig Deutsch chess player

For a bit I thought I had imagined it:

http://tinyurl.com/yb4vs3zg

Click on the games for details.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc.,etc. at August 19, 2017 07:46 PM (OdK9v)

40 The ending of "The Departed" was pretty cool. Matt Damon's brains on the wall... What more could you ask for?

I've seen about ten minutes of it. The phony Boston accents drive me nuts.

Posted by: tu3031 at August 19, 2017 07:47 PM (O5Q3r)

41 29 I liked Split. An interesting film with a neat little tie-in to Unbreakable.


As for endings, I like most of the end of 10 Cloverfield Lane. It really had me fooled the first time around.
Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityProd (tm) at August 19, 2017 07:43 PM (/o9Qk)

Yes! I loved the ending of that movie! It had me going OH, so all along he was...wait, hold on...WHOA, HOLY SHIT!

Posted by: Insomniac at August 19, 2017 07:47 PM (0mRoj)

42 but my mother, who does frequent the HQ from time to time (Hi, Mom!),

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Pants, everyone.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - SJWs Destroyed My Garden Because I Grew Heritage Tomatoes at August 19, 2017 07:48 PM (psH+N)

43 Ideas for the title to the "Split" sequel:

- Splat
- Splodey
- Spleen

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 19, 2017 07:49 PM (eMKNe)

44 Well, now I *have* to add "Split" to my Amazon list.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 19, 2017 07:49 PM (eMKNe)

45 What soured me the most on Unbreakable wasn't the movie itself, it was seeing some special event where M. Night was hosting the presentation of his movies on TV one night, and he used Unbreakable to take credit for the comic book movie success and popularity.

Posted by: buzzion at August 19, 2017 07:49 PM (cAnNx)

46 Marisa Berenson. Can't believe it just came to me.

Posted by: kallisto at August 19, 2017 07:50 PM (AAbgH)

47 Even if it did weaken the value of his sacrifice, like sura 4 weakens the Crucifixion.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo


Objection, comparing contents of one film to effects of shitty fanfic.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, SERENITY NOW! at August 19, 2017 07:51 PM (66CWr)

48 I believe there was a recent change to the Style Guide requiring "Taterhead" to be placed between Matt and Damon anytime the name appears here.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - SJWs Destroyed My Garden Because I Grew Heritage Tomatoes at August 19, 2017 07:51 PM (psH+N)

49 A good solid ending to a movie that closes out the story-

is a problem in Hollywood.

Because how do they do a sequel?

Something like "The Exorcist" has a perfect and complete ending. Plus, the heroes are dead.

That's how you wind up with the exploding toilet that is "Exorcist II".

"Exorcist III" tried to works it's way backward into a movie with an original character kinda sorta. It pretty much sucks except for one great jump scare.

"The Matrix" is another movie with a perfect and complete ending. Neo has "broken the code" and now controls the digital world - he is a god in that world and can bring humanity back as well as destroy the machines.

So-o--o--o-o, they violated their own ending and set up in the first movie to give us a much weaker and weakened story. The Washerwomen Brothers have never recovered from the crash and burn rave of illogic that is Matrix 2 & 3.

Though admittedly, there were some fun fights.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 19, 2017 07:52 PM (9q7Dl)

50 Yes! I loved the ending of that movie! It had me going OH, so all along he was...wait, hold on...WHOA, HOLY SHIT!
Posted by: Insomniac


Remember kids, crazy != wrong...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, SERENITY NOW! at August 19, 2017 07:52 PM (66CWr)

51 The happiest ending of a movie ever?

Easy Rider!

I still get tears of joy when I watch it.

Posted by: Puddleglum at August 19, 2017 07:52 PM (A+lP4)

52 40 The ending of "The Departed" was pretty cool. Matt Damon's brains on the wall... What more could you ask for?

I've seen about ten minutes of it. The phony Boston accents drive me nuts.

Posted by: tu3031 at August 19, 2017 07:47 PM (O5Q3r)

++++

For whatever reason, accents and the like rarely bother me.

As much fun as it is to denigrate Matt Damon, who in real life is a real lefty retard, he does a great job of portraying a dirty cop who is secretly in the employ of a mobster. The Departed is a well made film and I enjoyed it thoroughly. But, if something like an accent is constantly distracting you, I can see how that would spoil the movie for you.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 19, 2017 07:52 PM (pvjTE)

53 You can always look up the movie, I read about Barry Lyndon just before the chess link. I have seen BL at least twice.

Posted by: Skip at August 19, 2017 07:54 PM (pPKG5)

54 A friend of mine was James McAvoy's double in "Split."

Posted by: josephistan at August 19, 2017 07:55 PM (ANIFC)

55 For whatever reason, accents and the like rarely bother me.

Yeah, me too. But those were so over the top it was annoying.

Posted by: tu3031 at August 19, 2017 07:55 PM (O5Q3r)

56 The ending to Capricorn One was disappointing to me. I wanted more of the bad guys getting what was coming to them, instead of the movie ending the way it did.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at August 19, 2017 07:55 PM (w+Jhj)

57
I still get tears of joy when I watch it.
Posted by: Puddleglum
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Pretty much the way I feel about the ending of Isadora.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc.,etc. at August 19, 2017 07:56 PM (OdK9v)

58 The Village was ridiculous. Girl was blind so why put on the porcupine costume? Also, she's handed a bottle of water & doesn't act as it that's odd. More lame than Signs.

Posted by: Opie Cunningham at August 19, 2017 07:56 PM (bc2Lc)

59 naturalfake, agreed. I hate the way Hollywood loves to go back and screw up its own endings.

I was a little interested in the comeback of Roseanne, but now I have zero interest. Why? Because they're insisting on bringing back Dan (moonbat John Goodman). They're claiming he "faked his death."

That's one of Hollywood's tropes I am absolutely most sick of: fake deaths. Apparently H'wood writers think it's (or love to portray it as) soooo fucking easy to do. In real life it's next to impossible.

But in the movie industry today, nobody knows how to say 'no' to any execrebly stupid idea whatsoever, anymore. It's destroying everything and it pisses me off to no end.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 19, 2017 07:57 PM (eMKNe)

60 38 33 29 I liked Split. An interesting film with a neat little tie-in to Unbreakable.

Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityProd (tm) at August 19, 2017 07:43 PM (/o9Qk)

++++

That bit at the end is supposed to be a setup for a sequel, isn't it?

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 19, 2017 07:45 PM (FUu/Z)


Hasn't a title already been announced?

Posted by: buzzion at August 19, 2017 07:46 PM (cAnNx)

++++

Right you are! Wikipedia says it will be called "Glass". All the main stars from the first two will resume their roles.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 19, 2017 07:57 PM (FUu/Z)

61 I've watched Body Heat over a dozen times and the ending is something I cannot figure.

Jeez, the mosquitos are bad tonight.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at August 19, 2017 07:57 PM (alRXP)

62 Yeah, I can remember being disappointed when I heard they were doing Revenge of the Matrix. The first ending was where he flexed and the walls (reality) bowed out and he picked the bullets out of the air not at speed, but after stopping them, right? That was a fine ending.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - SJWs Destroyed My Garden Because I Grew Heritage Tomatoes at August 19, 2017 07:57 PM (psH+N)

63 I am not ashamed to say I have a gigantic thing for James McAvoy, though I haven't seen Split yet....ever since seeing him in Atonement, which had a gut punch claw your eyes out surprise ending itself. Great 1930s period movie, gorgeous and steamy and it freaking kills you at the end.

Posted by: Goldilocks at August 19, 2017 07:58 PM (6YCXF)

64 LesKinetic: She gets it in the end.

Posted by: goatexchange at August 19, 2017 07:58 PM (YFnq5)

65 >>> The phony Boston accents drive me nuts.

Mahky Mahk did ok.

Posted by: fluffy at August 19, 2017 07:59 PM (U0v/A)

66 Rewatching ken burns the civil war. May reread foote.

Posted by: NCKate at August 19, 2017 07:59 PM (kdWs5)

67 I enjoyed the ending od Blood Diamond. Leo dies and Solomon gets the diamond.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 19, 2017 07:59 PM (XYOLS)

68 Alfie, however, I find very difficult to watch, in spite of the stunning theme song. It's amazing he didn't destroy his career with that role. He played it to perfection...and that was the problem. An actor like Richard Burton would have glamorized the whole thing and removed a bit of the sting.

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I once saw Mary Tyler Moore discuss her role in Ordinary People. She said everybody saw that role as her being an asshole (OK, sweet Mary didn't use that word but I like dogs and don't like to use that word in a derogatory manner) but she didn't. She found the humanity in the character. She was an asshole in that movie. At times that movie is uncomfortable to watch, she is just such an asshole.

Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 19, 2017 08:00 PM (Nwg0u)

69 The phony Boston accents drive me nuts.

Mahky Mahk did ok.
Posted by: fluffy at August 19, 2017 07:59 PM (U0v/A)

Wahlberg was funny as hell in The Departed.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at August 19, 2017 08:00 PM (v3I5m)

70 But, the essential point of the post is to call to mind two great endings (and one curiously flawed one) to talk about what I find to be ideal in how to finish a story.

What are yours?

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Splosions!

Posted by: MAGA at August 19, 2017 08:01 PM (Tyk2V)

71 I liked how they set the ending up perfectly for a sequel in Casablanca. I wonder why they never made it?

Posted by: Charles the Simple at August 19, 2017 08:01 PM (w7U7L)

72 59 naturalfake, agreed. I hate the way Hollywood loves to go back and screw up its own endings.

I was a little interested in the comeback of Roseanne, but now I have zero interest. Why? Because they're insisting on bringing back Dan (moonbat John Goodman). They're claiming he "faked his death."

That's one of Hollywood's tropes I am absolutely most sick of: fake deaths. Apparently H'wood writers think it's (or love to portray it as) soooo fucking easy to do. In real life it's next to impossible.

But in the movie industry today, nobody knows how to say 'no' to any execrebly stupid idea whatsoever, anymore. It's destroying everything and it pisses me off to no end.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 19, 2017 07:57 PM (eMKNe)

++++

Even worse, they are going to have a 9 year old kid who is questioning his gender. Just what America was looking for in a sitcom: a prepubescent tranny.

Roseanne was funny for about the first 4 seasons, but after that it went downhill fast. Looks like this continuation will be even worse.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 19, 2017 08:01 PM (FUu/Z)

73 Joel Pollack is on cSpan Book TV and is really interesting.

Posted by: LASue at August 19, 2017 08:02 PM (hZ+us)

74 The ending of Casino was pretty good.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 19, 2017 08:02 PM (0mRoj)

75 Who's the girl second to the left in the Alfie photo?

I can tell she wants me.

Posted by: rickl at August 19, 2017 08:02 PM (sdi6R)

76 Anonosaurus, I can pretty much understand Mary Tyler Moore wanting to play an asshole. Everyone just loved her to death in everything she did from 1960 to 1977, and I can imagine she felt trapped in good-girl roles.

I would love to see Jim Gaffigan play an asshole. He has this warm and fuzzy family image, and I wonder how happy he is about that. I bet he could do a great (and really funny) job of playing a really bad guy.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 19, 2017 08:02 PM (eMKNe)

77 The ending of Unbreakable was satisfying. I want the ending of a movie to provide conclusion and not to lead into another bloody sequel. (Marvel, that's you). See the Shaw brothers movies for a quick end at the climax.

BTW Infernal Affairs>>> The Departed

Posted by: auscolpyr at August 19, 2017 08:02 PM (pzA2L)

78 Insomniac: Casino? OMG, orgasmically good ending for Joe Pesci.

There's people I wish I could *do that ending to.* Bye Felicia! Enjoy the eternal sand sandwich!!

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 19, 2017 08:03 PM (eMKNe)

79 >>>Anyway, the movie ends with McAvoy turning into the Beast

*hic* Why aren't I 50 points ahead???

Posted by: McAvoy at August 19, 2017 08:04 PM (/qEW2)

80 I tend to like endings that sort of sneak up on you yet follow the internal logic of the movie to the bitter end.

Even if it's not the ending that you want to see.

Someone mentioned "The Rapture" a few weeks ago.

The ending to that movie is dead-solid perfect because it takes it's story and characters seriously.

A fine movie if a rather depressing one.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 19, 2017 08:04 PM (9q7Dl)

81 I've watched Body Heat over a dozen times and the ending is something I cannot figure.

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Best rule against perpetuities movie ever made.

Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 19, 2017 08:05 PM (Nwg0u)

82 Anon, yup. I like Roseanne herself and her support for Trump, but it seems like she's willing to do literally anything for the big paydal that a return of her classic sitcom would bring.

"Tranny toddlers, loveable pedophiles and gay pets? I don't give a shit, sign me up!! I'm getting at least $2 mil per episode, right??"

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 19, 2017 08:05 PM (eMKNe)

83 56 The ending to Capricorn One was disappointing to me. I wanted more of the bad guys getting what was coming to them, instead of the movie ending the way it did.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert



That was a movie? I thought it was a documentary.

Posted by: Puddleglum, just askin' questions at August 19, 2017 08:05 PM (A+lP4)

84 25 I've recently heard a different theory on Signs. That they're not aliens but demons. I've never watched it but I think theory goes that in the movie its mentioned that his daughter being born was a miracle and she's the one leaving all the water glasses around. And because her birth is a miracle all that water is actually Holy Water, and that's why it burns them.
Posted by: buzzion at August 19, 2017 07:41 PM (cAnNx)

I've heard that theory and I find it rather appealing in the overall context of the movie.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 19, 2017 08:05 PM (0mRoj)

85 I would love to see Jim Gaffigan play an asshole.

I daresay he would be surprisingly good as some kind of truly bad guy.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at August 19, 2017 08:05 PM (v3I5m)

86 paydal? payday!

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 19, 2017 08:05 PM (eMKNe)

87 That was a movie? I thought it was a documentary.

Little known fact: OJ was the real killer.

Posted by: tu3031 at August 19, 2017 08:06 PM (O5Q3r)

88 78 Insomniac: Casino? OMG, orgasmically good ending for Joe Pesci.

There's people I wish I could *do that ending to.* Bye Felicia! Enjoy the eternal sand sandwich!!
Posted by: qdpsteve at August 19, 2017 08:03 PM (eMKNe)

He had it coming, that's for sure.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 19, 2017 08:07 PM (0mRoj)

89 Should have gotten thicker pretzels for ice cream

Posted by: Skip at August 19, 2017 08:07 PM (pPKG5)

90 70 But, the essential point of the post is to call to mind two great endings (and one curiously flawed one) to talk about what I find to be ideal in how to finish a story.

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I like my protagonist o die. I really do. I've always liked that in a story. Cormac McCarthy stories, Saving Private Ryan, Cold Mountain (meh movie but good music and proper protagonist death), etc.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - SJWs Destroyed My Garden Because I Grew Heritage Tomatoes at August 19, 2017 08:07 PM (psH+N)

91 "The Matrix" is another movie with a perfect and complete ending. Neo has "broken the code" and now controls the digital world - he is a god in that world and can bring humanity back as well as destroy the machines. ...

Though admittedly, there were some fun fights.

Posted by: naturalfake
________

Ditto, "The Terminator." Excellent movie, excellent ending. SPOILER ALERT! The final effort by the machine -- to send a terminator back through time to kill John Connor before he's born -- has failed.

So they come up with a final final effort, even though the machines have already been defeated.

Good action, great effects, fun to watch -- but all-around inconsistent with the marvelous story told in the first film.

Posted by: FireHorse at August 19, 2017 08:07 PM (zkGZ8)

92 I like my protagonist o die. I really do. I've always liked that in a story. Cormac McCarthy stories, Saving Private Ryan, Cold Mountain (meh movie but good music and proper protagonist death), etc.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - SJWs Destroyed My Garden Because I Grew Heritage Tomatoes at August 19, 2017 08:07 PM (psH+N)

Man On Fire - Denzel Washington version.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 19, 2017 08:08 PM (0mRoj)

93 Best ending ever, White Heat.

Posted by: tu3031 at August 19, 2017 08:08 PM (O5Q3r)

94 tu3031: and White Heat's ending takes place in Long Beach. ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 19, 2017 08:09 PM (eMKNe)

95 That's one of Hollywood's tropes I am absolutely most sick of: fake deaths. Apparently H'wood writers think it's (or love to portray it as) soooo fucking easy to do. In real life it's next to impossible.

Not if you have sufficient resources.

Posted by: J. R. at August 19, 2017 08:10 PM (/qEW2)

96 63 I am not ashamed to say I have a gigantic thing for James McAvoy, though I haven't seen Split yet....ever since seeing him in Atonement, which had a gut punch claw your eyes out surprise ending itself. Great 1930s period movie, gorgeous and steamy and it freaking kills you at the end.

Posted by: Goldilocks at August 19, 2017 07:58 PM (6YCXF)

++++

Atonement was a gem. Period piece, tragedy, and yes, that ending takes you by surprise. I am a fan of those movies set in pre-WWII Britian. Just find that time and place fascinating.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 19, 2017 08:10 PM (pvjTE)

97 My least favorite movie endings are police dramas where they are Rogue Cops Who Break All The Rulesİ and who must Work Outside The Systemİ and end up killing all the suspects, witnesses, and destroying all the evidence in their "seeking justice"

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 19, 2017 08:10 PM (39g3+)

98
The ending to Capricorn One was disappointing to me. I wanted more of the bad guys getting what was coming to them, instead of the movie ending the way it did.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert


It was like the ending of Parts: The Clonus Horror

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 19, 2017 08:10 PM (IqV8l)

99 I just remembered not having seen or heard the Whats it all about Alpfie? song/ movie in awhile but use to always reply The nookie.

Posted by: Skip at August 19, 2017 08:11 PM (pPKG5)

100 "The Matrix" is another movie with a perfect and complete ending. Neo has "broken the code" and now controls the digital world - he is a god in that world and can bring humanity back as well as destroy the machines.

So-o--o--o-o, they violated their own ending and set up in the first movie to give us a much weaker and weakened story.

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Hollywood is like a schoolyard bully. You give him your lunch money once, he's going to want it every day.

Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 19, 2017 08:12 PM (Nwg0u)

101 I like my protagonist to die. I really do. I've always liked that in a story.

Posted by: Insomniac
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Clint Eastwood in "Gran Torino" was obvious but still sad.

Mel Gibson in "Hamlet" was spoiled for me by my 12th grade English teacher.

But John Wayne getting shot in the back by Bruce Dern in "The Cowboys" was just wrong.

Posted by: FireHorse at August 19, 2017 08:13 PM (zkGZ8)

102 Ditto, "The Terminator." Excellent movie, excellent ending. SPOILER ALERT! The final effort by the machine -- to send a terminator back through time to kill John Connor before he's born -- has failed.

So they come up with a final final effort, even though the machines have already been defeated.

Good action, great effects, fun to watch -- but all-around inconsistent with the marvelous story told in the first film.

Posted by: FireHorse at August 19, 2017 08:07 PM (zkGZ



Didn't they do a retcon for T2? And say specifically that it sent back two Terminators. One to try and kill him before birth and one to kill him before adulthood. I always took that as basically sending them back in time virtually simultaneously.

Posted by: buzzion at August 19, 2017 08:13 PM (cAnNx)

103 they are Rogue Cops Who Break All The Rules and who must Work Outside The System and end up killing all the suspects, witnesses, and destroying all the evidence in their "seeking justice"

also known as - Houston P.D.: Forensic Crime Unit. sadly they couldn't film the pilot, because of the untimely demise of its lead Chris Farley

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at August 19, 2017 08:13 PM (TcPl3)

104 I once saw Mary Tyler Moore discuss her role in Ordinary People. She said everybody saw that role as her being an asshole (OK, sweet Mary didn't use that word but I like dogs and don't like to use that word in a derogatory manner) but she didn't. She found the humanity in the character. She was an asshole in that movie. At times that movie is uncomfortable to watch, she is just such an asshole.

Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 19, 2017 08:00 PM (Nwg0u)

++++

I read somewhere that she thought that character was the closest to her real life persona. So, the fact that so many people found the character so unlikeable was painful to her.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 19, 2017 08:13 PM (FUu/Z)

105 J.R., but remember how dirt-poor Roseanne's family was supposed to be?

Bringing Dan back *might* make sense, if at the end of the original series he had just run away and disappeared. But according to the original series, as I recall, he got sick and died, presumably in the hospital. That's a lot of people to bribe to look the other way.

Again though, IMHO too many of today's writers and producers are just utterly convinced: "Audiences are stoopid. They'll accept any shit we feed them." Chuck Lorre is IMHO Exhibit A of this horrible attitude.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 19, 2017 08:13 PM (eMKNe)

106 Other interesting endings:

1: Vanishing Point. Everyone has their own theory about what it means.

2: Dirty Mary, Crazy Larry. A nice switch 'em up.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at August 19, 2017 08:13 PM (w+Jhj)

107 97 My least favorite movie endings are police dramas where they are Rogue Cops Who Break All The Rules and who must Work Outside The System and end up killing all the suspects, witnesses, and destroying all the evidence in their "seeking justice"

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 19, 2017 08:10 PM (39g3+)

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Do you not like them even if they're fighting Nazis and White Supremafacists?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - SJWs Destroyed My Garden Because I Grew Heritage Tomatoes at August 19, 2017 08:14 PM (fzJai)

108 Even if it did weaken the value of his sacrifice, like sura 4 weakens the Crucifixion.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo


I was told there'd be no docetism.

Posted by: Council of Nicea at August 19, 2017 08:14 PM (/qEW2)

109 The end of Goodfellas was beautiful filmmaking, it wrapped up the film but more importantly it was fascinating and took you out of where you were into the narrator's head. It gave a real sense of how all this time you were listening to a narrator more than watching events unfold.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 19, 2017 08:14 PM (39g3+)

110 The ending is coming - from inside the house!

Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at August 19, 2017 08:14 PM (z2W2E)

111 (I misattributed a previous post in #101.)

Moron Robbie -- Why do you like your protagonist to die?

Posted by: FireHorse at August 19, 2017 08:15 PM (zkGZ8)

112 85 I would love to see Jim Gaffigan play an asshole.

I daresay he would be surprisingly good as some kind of truly bad guy.
Posted by: Pug Mahon



Well Bryan Cranston went from goofy Dad in Malcolm in the Middle to scary smart and manipulatively evil meth dealer Walter White. So its doable.

Posted by: Puddleglum, just askin' questions at August 19, 2017 08:15 PM (A+lP4)

113 BTW Infernal Affairs>>> The Departed

Posted by: auscolpyr at August 19, 2017 08:02 PM (pzA2L)

++++

The Boston accents in Infernal Affairs were truly atrocious.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 19, 2017 08:15 PM (pvjTE)

114 Why do you like your protagonist to die?

Because otherwise you can't eat 'em.

Posted by: hannibal lecter at August 19, 2017 08:16 PM (TcPl3)

115 Jeffrey Wells has a pet theory that at the end of Taxi Driver, Travis dies (presumably shot while he's driving).

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 19, 2017 08:16 PM (eMKNe)

116 But John Wayne getting shot in the back by Bruce Dern in "The Cowboys" was just wrong.

And yet, so right. One of my all time favorite westerns. Did a wonderful job showing how good Duke had gotten as an actor by that point.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 19, 2017 08:16 PM (39g3+)

117 Puddleglum: that was some fine acting by Cranston, in that during that very show he evolved from Malcolm, Middle Aged Loser to Scarface.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at August 19, 2017 08:17 PM (TcPl3)

118 My least favorite movie endings are police dramas where they are Rogue
Cops Who Break All The Rules and who must Work Outside The System and
end up killing all the suspects, witnesses, and destroying all the
evidence in their "seeking justice"

Yeah, I hate those movies too.

Posted by: Jim Comey: FBI at August 19, 2017 08:17 PM (O5Q3r)

119 Puddleglum, yup. Cranston had a long history of playing daffy sitcom guys pre-Breaking Bad.

I bet he went to his agent and said, I'm sick of this. Get me the meatiest, most complex bad guy role you can possibly find anywhere.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 19, 2017 08:17 PM (eMKNe)

120 The original Alfie is a great film. TJM is right, the movie starts out as a rather light hearted affair with Caine chasing after birds and telling us about it as he talks to the camera but the wheels come off the wagon. The abortion scene is particularly gruesome and cuts through Alfie as he realizes what he's gone.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 19, 2017 08:17 PM (auHtY)

121 The Matrix sequels were like The Highlander ones

Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at August 19, 2017 08:18 PM (z2W2E)

122 "Debbie Does Dallas" was totally underrated.

Posted by: Billy Jeff at August 19, 2017 08:18 PM (sXefu)

123 Is that Split movie scary? The screen shot reminds me of Jack Nicholson in The Shining with some Health Ledger's Joker thrown in. I was too afraid to hit play.

I like psychological thrillers, but not a lot of demon/occult stuff. Yes, I'm a wuss. So...which am I looking at here?

Posted by: Gorilla Gumdrop at August 19, 2017 08:18 PM (Y1iuP)

124 The end of Hollywood Confidential didn't really work for the rest of the film's tone but they kinda had to do it that way. There were story threads that needed to wrap up but having him drive away happily with the hooker just didn't fit the movie, even with the black eye on the girl.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 19, 2017 08:19 PM (39g3+)

125 Didn't they do a retcon for T2? And say specifically that it sent back two Terminators.

Posted by: buzzion
________

I don't think so. (Can't find the scene on YouTube and Wikipedia's entry is inconclusive.)

Going by memory, whatever allowed time travel did permit two travelers -- one being the terminator, the other being Kyle Reese.

Posted by: FireHorse at August 19, 2017 08:20 PM (zkGZ8)

126 Training Day had a good ending.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 19, 2017 08:20 PM (XYOLS)

127 Best ending: black and white French thriller called Diabolique. You will recoil in disbelief and then think "oh, now I get it".

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at August 19, 2017 08:21 PM (/qEW2)

128 117 Puddleglum: that was some fine acting by Cranston, in that during that very show he evolved from Malcolm, Middle Aged Loser to Scarface.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo



Yep, that was some brilliant script writing and fantastic acting. Great show!

Posted by: Puddleglum, just askin' questions at August 19, 2017 08:21 PM (A+lP4)

129 Who's the girl second to the left in the Alfie photo?

I can tell she wants me.

Posted by: rickl at August 19, 2017 08:02 PM (sdi6R)




Jane Asher. She was Paul McCartney's girlfriend at the time. Her brother is Peter Asher of group Peter and Gordon. She later went on to play Charles Ryder's wife in Brideshead Revisited.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 19, 2017 08:22 PM (auHtY)

130 The ending of Heat was great. Mainly because you didn't know which way it was gonna go.

Posted by: tu3031 at August 19, 2017 08:22 PM (O5Q3r)

131 I find Alfie devastating. Notice that few movies show the devastation of abortion. They stopped doing that about 1974, as I recall.

Posted by: I had a name, but I forgot at August 19, 2017 08:22 PM (u0oAO)

132 One movie I enjoyed, but that had IMHO a rather unsatisfying/downer ending, is "The War Of The Roses."

OTOH I can understand why they were stuck with that ending. Nothing else would have made sense. So the movie works as a cautionary parable, but not much more.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 19, 2017 08:22 PM (eMKNe)

133 126 Training Day had a good ending.
Posted by: Ben Had at August 19, 2017 08:20 PM (XYOLS)

Word is the script originally had Det. Harris getting away with it, but Denzel Washington insisted on the character getting what was coming to him if they wanted him to do the movie.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 19, 2017 08:22 PM (0mRoj)

134 I put The Cowboys in my top 3 westerns, the revenge factor and the set up is perfect.

Posted by: Skip at August 19, 2017 08:23 PM (pPKG5)

135 Moron Robbie -- Why do you like your protagonist to die?

Posted by: FireHorse at August 19, 2017 08:15 PM (zkGZ

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It's nothing easy like "that way there can't be a sequel" or anything. And I don't really know. I've thought a lot about it and talked it over with every girlfriend and my wife of decades, and I've sort of come to the conclusion that it's the representation of the absolute ending to the tale --- and yes, that's close to the sequel bit, but a good story also can not have a sequel even if the protaganist survives --- and representative of the "no greater gift hath any man" that resonates in so many American men even if they don't know it's a Bible verse.

I don't like the death to be pointless. I like it to have meaning, or be the result of a consequence catching up to teach a lesson, or something similar. But yeah, I do like the main guy to die.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - SJWs Destroyed My Garden Because I Grew Heritage Tomatoes at August 19, 2017 08:23 PM (fzJai)

136
The biggest and most annoying flaw in "The Village" is the way The Big Reveal is edited/presented. It could have been great, but instead, it's terrible. This is where the blind girl is making to climb the wall. We then get a scene of all those newsclippings and whatnot that tell us that they have recreated this past to escape the evils of the modern day. Then we see the blind girl jump the wall and end up on modern road.

Horrible storytelling. With just a minor change, it could have had an impact. Girl jumps wall from the "past" and we're confronted with the modern present. Boom. Then, tell us (if you must, at this point) what is going on. That sudden transition, if it was executed well, could have been effective. Instead, it just plops out, no surprise. I can't believe a director failed to see this. Shyamalan really needed someone else to have a say.

Posted by: otho at August 19, 2017 08:23 PM (qGuLD)

137 I read somewhere that she thought that character was the closest to her real life persona. So, the fact that so many people found the character so unlikeable was painful to her.

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[shudder]

Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 19, 2017 08:24 PM (Nwg0u)

138 Whoops. No greater love. Knew what I was thinking but not what I was typing.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - SJWs Destroyed My Garden Because I Grew Heritage Tomatoes at August 19, 2017 08:24 PM (fzJai)

139 Galaxy Quest had a great ending.

Plucky comic relief, redemption, a new out-there love, and paychecks!

Posted by: NaCly Dog at August 19, 2017 08:24 PM (hyuyC)

140 What does the Horde think about "Bad Lieutenant"?

I know John Nolte says it's a great, if R-rated, Christian parable.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 19, 2017 08:25 PM (eMKNe)

141 Probably mentioned already but hey let me take a stab.

Actually Alfie is more akin to a Greek tragedy in which the character's tragic flaw comes to destroy him but hopefully at the end he realizes it. Paging Oedipus.

Actually it was the denouement of Signs that marked me turning away from M. Night. Aliens who suffer Wicked Witch of the West syndrome invade a planet full of water. Triffids anyone?

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at August 19, 2017 08:25 PM (28bqZ)

142 https://youtu.be/qcQouZIPqNs


Opening Scene of T2.

https://youtu.be/qcQouZIPqNs

Right around 2 minutes 50 seconds in. "Skynet sent 2 Terminators back in time..."

Posted by: buzzion at August 19, 2017 08:25 PM (cAnNx)

143 Okay, so one of the few movies where I absolutely loved the ending that was not an ending at all, but the set up for the next movie was-

"The Revenge of Iris" the third Gamera movie in the 90's reboot of Gamera.

Yes, yes, I know. Gamera.

But, in the 90's version, there's no little boy in a hat who loves Gamera-

in fact, in the trilogy, Gamera is kind of a dick. He more or less hates humanity but hates us j-u-u-u-ust a little bit less than his rival monsters.

The movies are a lot of fun.

Anyway, the movie concludes- SPOILERS-


with this just brutal fight, shockingly brutal for a Gamera movie. Gamera is left crippled and wounded and his greatest foe is closing in for the kill.

Blackout.

One of the few times where a cliffhanger ending worked for me cuz I really really wanted to see how this worked out.

"The Empire Strikes Back" had a similar effect on me.

Except, where you got to see the ewoky conclusion to TESB-

With Gamera, the studio didn't like Gamera the Dick and decided to return to boy in a hat Gamera,
and more or less blew off the trilogy to start a reboot.

Yeah, there's a conclusion...sorta. But, it's clearly just a "let's get this out of the way" thing.

Very disappointing.


Sad.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 19, 2017 08:25 PM (9q7Dl)

144 104 I once saw Mary Tyler Moore discuss her role in Ordinary People. She said everybody saw that role as her being an asshole (OK, sweet Mary didn't use that word but I like dogs and don't like to use that word in a derogatory manner) but she didn't. She found the humanity in the character. She was an asshole in that movie. At times that movie is uncomfortable to watch, she is just such an asshole.

Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 19, 2017 08:00 PM (Nwg0u)

++++

I read somewhere that she thought that character was the closest to her real life persona. So, the fact that so many people found the character so unlikeable was painful to her.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 19, 2017 08:13 PM (FUu/Z)
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She was a very cold mother in that movie. Cold, and a lack of empathy. And a narcissist to boot. And that was close to her real life persona? Whoa.

Posted by: Gorilla Gumdrop at August 19, 2017 08:26 PM (Y1iuP)

145 Joel was interesting but now I'm listening to Angela Davis spew lies about Trevon Martin and other BLM icons.

Posted by: Skip at August 19, 2017 08:26 PM (pPKG5)

146 109; truly captured the degenerate life of the mob. it's all good until it isn't. greed and self preservation above all. a great movie, if you get it.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 19, 2017 08:26 PM (KP5rU)

147 I do love these movie threads thought I don't go to the movies anymore. I usually wait for the movies to come out on TV somewhere and then either buy it or watch it on Netflix or AP. I finally saw The Last Picture Show on TCM. I kept seeing it piecemiel. A little here, a little there. Always looked pretty good. It was. Excellent flick and great soundtrack. Can't go wrong with Hank Sr.!!

Posted by: Puddleglum at August 19, 2017 08:27 PM (A+lP4)

148 Taxi Driver

The ending of the movie, when Travis Bickel goes nuts, kills all the scum, is himself shot....you think he's dead.

In the end, the crazy guy is a hero, frees the teen age prostitute, can actually function now as a human being.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at August 19, 2017 08:28 PM (S6Pax)

149 There needs to be another movie where the leading lady spends the entire film in a wedding dress.

Don't make good movies like that anymore.

Posted by: the guy across the street at August 19, 2017 08:28 PM (sf2BM)

150 So what is the Horde opinion of Shin Godzilla?

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at August 19, 2017 08:28 PM (28bqZ)

151 The ending of 'Citizen Kane' totally rips off the ending of 'Raiders of the Lost Ark.'

Posted by: Millennial Film Major at August 19, 2017 08:28 PM (bc2Lc)

152 I liked Gene Hackman's death in Unforgiven in a different way than "bad guy gets comeuppance," too. Eastwood wasn't a good guy. Hackman wasn't a good guy. I thought it was a perfect meeting, and a great ending.

"Deserves got nothing to do with it."

There but by the grace of God go I.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - SJWs Destroyed My Garden Because I Grew Heritage Tomatoes at August 19, 2017 08:28 PM (fzJai)

153 Yeah, kinda like Glenn and Abraham getting their heads bashed by Lucille. I looked at Mrs. E and said 'what the hell???' I so wanted that tiger to rip off negem's effing head. Maybe this season.

Posted by: Eromero at August 19, 2017 08:28 PM (zLDYs)

154 What does the Horde think about "Bad Lieutenant"?

I know John Nolte says it's a great, if R-rated, Christian parable.

Posted by: qdpsteve


I liked it. But it wasn't so much driven by plot- it was purely driven by Keitel's brilliant performance as a self-destructing individual.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at August 19, 2017 08:29 PM (/qEW2)

155 Jeffrey Wells has a pet theory that at the end of Taxi Driver, Travis dies (presumably shot while he's driving).


Posted by: qdpsteve at August 19, 2017 08:16 PM

It's got that wierd rearvision mirror shot etc. I've always wondered about the possibility too. Though it's most likely just more Travis craziness.

Posted by: otho at August 19, 2017 08:29 PM (qGuLD)

156 Interesting, Moron Robbie. I've always felt the same way about stories. Used to say "A book has a back cover for a reason" quite a bit.

I don't mind sequels, but they have to be done right: Don't contradict the original story. Reprise characters, but don't contradict the original story. The sequel must be an original story unto itself -- not an extension of the first installment -- and don't contra---- ...

... you get the idea. "Star Trek II" was an excellent example of a sequel well done.

Posted by: FireHorse at August 19, 2017 08:30 PM (zkGZ8)

157 truly captured the degenerate life of the mob. it's all good until it isn't. greed and self preservation above all. a great movie, if you get it.
Posted by: chavez the hugo

Went completely over my head.

Posted by: Hillary! at August 19, 2017 08:30 PM (+ytNp)

158 I find Alfie devastating. Notice that few movies show the devastation of abortion. They stopped doing that about 1974, as I recall.

Posted by: I had a name, but I forgot at August 19, 2017 08:22 PM (u0oAO)


It sure does show the devastation of abortion. Not just a choice over a clump of cells

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 19, 2017 08:31 PM (auHtY)

159 134 I put The Cowboys in my top 3 westerns, the revenge factor and the set up is perfect.
Posted by: Skip



Good place for it. The ending was fantastic. Rosco Lee Brown was great as the cook and how he and the rest of the kides set up Bruce Dern and the gang at the end was brilliant.

Posted by: Puddleglum at August 19, 2017 08:31 PM (A+lP4)

160 In the end, the crazy guy is a hero, frees the teen age prostitute, can actually function now as a human being.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative
________

Wait, what? A teenage prostitute? That's exactly what we need for our next zany comedy with a guy who wants to have sex with his daughter!

Posted by: Disney circa 1975 at August 19, 2017 08:32 PM (zkGZ8)

161 "It's nothing easy like "that way there can't be a
sequel" or anything. And I don't really know. I've thought a lot about
it and talked it over with every girlfriend and my wife of decades, and
I've sort of come to the conclusion that it's the representation of the
absolute ending to the tale --- and yes, that's close to the sequel
bit, but a good story also can not have a sequel even if the protaganist
survives --- and representative of the "no greater gift hath any man"
that resonates in so many American men even if they don't know it's a
Bible verse.



I don't like the death to be pointless. I like it to have meaning,
or be the result of a consequence catching up to teach a lesson, or
something similar. But yeah, I do like the main guy to die.

Posted by: Moron Robbie"

Well, I guess you liked "Leon: The Professional" then?

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at August 19, 2017 08:32 PM (w+Jhj)

162 Yerch. just saw a trailer on the Teevee (sound muted bcuz commercials) for "It."

Why? The old miniseries was uneven, But Tim Curry was profoundly frightening. Bet the new Pennywise fails to deliver.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at August 19, 2017 08:33 PM (v3I5m)

163 My favorite scary movie is 'The Haunting' made in 1963. It has an almost perfect ending. Julie Harris voice over at the end still gives me chills, as does a lot of the movie.

'Hill House has stood for 90 years and might stand for 90 more. Within, walls continue upright, bricks meet, floors are firm, and doors are sensibly shut. Silence lies steadily against the wood and stone of Hill House. And we who walk here... walk alone.'

Posted by: JackS at August 19, 2017 08:33 PM (DknNB)

164 There needs to be another movie where the leading lady spends the entire film in a wedding dress.

Don't make good movies like that anymore.

Posted by: the guy across the street at August 19, 2017 08:28 PM (sf2BM)


The Miss Havisham story?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 19, 2017 08:34 PM (auHtY)

165 I don't remember it that well, but I think A Bronx Tale had a good ending, too. I sort of recall the gangster dying and allowing the honest, decent dad to be able to take back over raising his son again. Almost like a resurrection story of the kid's father. I need to watch it again. I remember really liking it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - SJWs Destroyed My Garden Because I Grew Heritage Tomatoes at August 19, 2017 08:34 PM (fzJai)

166 Rosco Lee Brown was great as the cook

The chemistry between him and John Wayne is excellent. Apparently Brown thought Duke was a racist monster but found out he was a great guy once he worked with him.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 19, 2017 08:34 PM (39g3+)

167 "you get the idea. "Star Trek II" was an excellent example of a sequel well done.



Posted by: FireHorse"

And a good thing for the franchise after that steaming lump of excrement that was the first movie.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at August 19, 2017 08:34 PM (w+Jhj)

168 in fact, in the trilogy, Gamera is kind of a dick. He more or less hates humanity but hates us j-u-u-u-ust a little bit less than his rival monsters.

That's kind of how I feel about my constituency.

The movies are a lot of fun.

Anyway, the movie concludes- SPOILERS-

with this just brutal fight, shockingly brutal for a Gamera movie. Gamera is left crippled and wounded and his greatest foe is closing in for the kill.


*sniff* That scene had me in tears.

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at August 19, 2017 08:34 PM (/qEW2)

169 Mixed ending: the third season of "Avatar: The Last Airbender". Mainly because we don't find out what Ozai did to Zuko's mom. Also because spirit bending was pulled out of the writers' colon, having been not alluded to anywhere before.

Although Azula going batshit nuts was a good ending for her character-arc. And Zuko himself might well have the best character-arc in any series ever.

(On that topic, the ending for the second season was... amazeballs.)

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at August 19, 2017 08:34 PM (TcPl3)

170 JackS, as I understand it, Hill House has some scary stuff that IMHO would have been unfilmable in 1963.

Such as a door... that's bulging out grotesquely.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 19, 2017 08:35 PM (eMKNe)

171 148 Taxi Driver

The ending of the movie, when Travis Bickel goes nuts, kills all the scum, is himself shot....you think he's dead.

In the end, the crazy guy is a hero, frees the teen age prostitute, can actually function now as a human being.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society



An ending that was all in Travis Bickel's head as he lay dying in that room, IMO.

Posted by: Puddleglum at August 19, 2017 08:35 PM (A+lP4)

172 The first Star Trek movie was okay. But it needed an editor, armed with a chainsaw.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at August 19, 2017 08:35 PM (TcPl3)

173 Well, I guess you liked "Leon: The Professional" then?

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at August 19, 2017 08:32 PM (w+Jhj)

---

Haven't seen it in years, but yeah, one of my favorite movies when I was younger.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - SJWs Destroyed My Garden Because I Grew Heritage Tomatoes at August 19, 2017 08:36 PM (fzJai)

174 'Hill House has stood for 90 years and might stand for 90 more. Within, walls continue upright, bricks meet, floors are firm, and doors are sensibly shut. Silence lies steadily against the wood and stone of Hill House. And we who walk here... walk alone.'
Posted by: JackS

Yes, a very scary movie, without gore, goofy special effects, or some weird McGuffin to explain away what happened.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at August 19, 2017 08:36 PM (S6Pax)

175 speaking of shitty endings, let us agree that Korra (aka, Whorra) didn't ever happen.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at August 19, 2017 08:36 PM (TcPl3)

176 167
And a good thing for the franchise after that steaming lump of excrement that was the first movie.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at August 19, 2017 08:34 PM (w+Jhj)

=====

I've been toying with the idea of a post that defends the first Star Trek picture as a work of genius.

I may have to do that now.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at August 19, 2017 08:36 PM (Jj43a)

177 *bangs head into keyboard*

No you self-satisfied off-spring of the immoral mating of a moray eel with a cuttle fish, USS Indianapolis is NOT a battleship. She was a graceful heavy cruiser where over 700 men lost their lives.

But Paul Allen financed mission has found the wreckage down 10,000ft.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/yaarhfjd

PS, I hope Bruce the shark gnaws on the dipship writer

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at August 19, 2017 08:36 PM (28bqZ)

178 169 Mixed ending: the third season of "Avatar: The Last Airbender". Mainly because we don't find out what Ozai did to Zuko's mom. Also because spirit bending was pulled out of the writers' colon, having been not alluded to anywhere before.

Although Azula going batshit nuts was a good ending for her character-arc. And Zuko himself might well have the best character-arc in any series ever.

(On that topic, the ending for the second season was... amazeballs.)

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at August 19, 2017 08:34 PM (TcPl3



I can't decide what was the bigger dump on that. M. Night's movie, or The Legend of Korra after the first season.

Posted by: buzzion at August 19, 2017 08:37 PM (cAnNx)

179 I thought Roseanne was best in the early years. As it went on her character got shrill & strident and mean-spirited. JMO.

Will & Grace back on too. That is gonna be SJW TV extraordinaire.

These shows were also on before Social Media. I wonder how that will affect them? The actors are not used to cruel feedback. They were critical darlings when first on TV.

Posted by: Gorilla Gumdrop at August 19, 2017 08:37 PM (Y1iuP)

180 Yeah, kinda like Glenn and Abraham getting their heads bashed by Lucille.

That's about the point where I realized that I can no longer watch this show. I like the characters too much, and it hurt. So fucking bleak.

Justified was a much better show. Violent, yes, but also often funny as hell. Far less dystopic and hopeless.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at August 19, 2017 08:37 PM (v3I5m)

181 Manchurian Candidate is on TMC

Posted by: Skip at August 19, 2017 08:37 PM (pPKG5)

182 I like these little sci fi movies like Limitless, Looper, In Time.

Posted by: I had a name, but I forgot at August 19, 2017 08:38 PM (nv0lC)

183 I just invited Jeffrey Wells at his blog to come on down and join this thread. Let's see if he has the guts to do so. LOL.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 19, 2017 08:39 PM (eMKNe)

184 I've been toying with the idea of a post that defends the first Star Trek picture as a work of genius.

I may have to do that now.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone

I heard and interview once with Harlan Ellison, where he talked about when he and Gene Roddenberry went to the studio to pitch the idea for the first Star Trek movie.
Harlan had this really elaborate, evocative story regarding a race of beings that had existed alongside humans for all of history, but were unknown to us.

It was pretty elaborate and imaginative.
The studio guys says..."Not big enough!"

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at August 19, 2017 08:39 PM (S6Pax)

185
Great endings? "Midnight Run" comes to mind. Perfection.

Posted by: otho at August 19, 2017 08:40 PM (qGuLD)

186 Manchurian Candidate is on TMC
Posted by: Skip

I'll be discussing ways to bring social justice into classic films.

Posted by: TFG at August 19, 2017 08:40 PM (+ytNp)

187 in fact, in the trilogy, Gamera is kind of a dick. He more or less hates humanity but hates us j-u-u-u-ust a little bit less than his rival monsters.

That's kind of how I feel about my constituency.

The movies are a lot of fun.

Anyway, the movie concludes- SPOILERS-

with this just brutal fight, shockingly brutal for a Gamera movie. Gamera is left crippled and wounded and his greatest foe is closing in for the kill.

*sniff* That scene had me in tears.
Posted by: Mitch McConnell at August 19, 2017 08:34 PM (/qEW2)




Hmmm...I'm pretty sure I now know who the technical adviser was for the 90's Gamera trilogy.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 19, 2017 08:40 PM (9q7Dl)

188 181 Manchurian Candidate is on TMC
Posted by: Skip at August 19, 2017 08:37 PM (pPKG5)

Why don't you pass the time by playing a little solitaire?

Posted by: Insomniac at August 19, 2017 08:41 PM (0mRoj)

189
Manchurian Candidate is on TMC
Posted by: Skip


TCM

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 19, 2017 08:41 PM (IqV8l)

190 "I've been toying with the idea of a post that defends the first Star Trek picture as a work of genius.



I may have to do that now.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone"

You're gonna have to come up with something really good to cover 15 minutes of flying around a glowing space cloud with no dialogue...

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at August 19, 2017 08:41 PM (w+Jhj)

191 165 I don't remember it that well, but I think A Bronx Tale had a good ending, too. I sort of recall the gangster dying and allowing the honest, decent dad to be able to take back over raising his son again. Almost like a resurrection story of the kid's father. I need to watch it again. I remember really liking it.


Joe Pesci shows up at the end and was menacing with trying, if that makes sense. (in the funeral home). He wasn't trying to be menacing. He was trying to be a comfort to the kid. Yet, he was menacing. Well done scene.

Posted by: Puddleglum at August 19, 2017 08:41 PM (A+lP4)

192 >>> No you self-satisfied off-spring of the immoral mating of a moray eel with a cuttle fish

That's beautiful.

Posted by: fluffy at August 19, 2017 08:41 PM (U0v/A)

193 Why don't you pass the time by playing a little solitaire?
Posted by: Insomniac


Every card is the queen of diamonds, right?

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 19, 2017 08:41 PM (eMKNe)

194 Star Trek the Motion Picture is a lot better than people give it credit for but its slloooowwwww. Definitely needs editing, badly.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 19, 2017 08:41 PM (39g3+)

195 Such as a door... that's bulging out grotesquely.
Posted by: qdpsteve at August 19, 2017 08:35 PM (eMKNe)

That scene is about the only special effects in the movie.

Posted by: JackS at August 19, 2017 08:41 PM (DknNB)

196 An ending that was all in Travis Bickel's head as he lay dying in that room, IMO.
Posted by: Puddleglum


Are you talkin' to me?

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at August 19, 2017 08:42 PM (S6Pax)

197
I'll be discussing ways to bring social justice into classic films.
Posted by: TFG at August 19, 2017 08:40 PM

Ha! Well that should ruin just about any film ever made. Go for it.

Posted by: Gorilla Gumdrop at August 19, 2017 08:42 PM (Y1iuP)

198
No you self-satisfied off-spring of the immoral mating of a moray eel with a cuttle fish, USS Indianapolis is NOT a battleship.

It was a battleship that helped create the atomic bomb!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 19, 2017 08:42 PM (IqV8l)

199 My typing skills suck

Posted by: Skip at August 19, 2017 08:42 PM (pPKG5)

200 190
You're gonna have to come up with something really good to cover 15 minutes of flying around a glowing space cloud with no dialogue...
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at August 19, 2017 08:41 PM (w+Jhj)

======

It's actually that stuff that I defend most stridently.

There's prose to the seemingly endless effects, and one you get it, I think, you get really drawn in.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at August 19, 2017 08:43 PM (Jj43a)

201 never seen Limitless or In Time.

Looper was great. Gordon-Levitt did a wonderful Young Bruce Willis impression, especially across the table when each was trying to out-Willis the other. LOL.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at August 19, 2017 08:43 PM (TcPl3)

202 Right around 2 minutes 50 seconds in. "Skynet sent 2 Terminators back in time..."

Posted by: buzzion
________

Thanks for the reference. Cheap on Cameron's part, though. If, in T1, Reese said something like "We think they only sent one terminator back in time but we can't be sure" then fine. There's your opening for a sequel. But what they did was to make "Terminator n" and say "The machine sent n terminators back in time" where n=2 in this case.

I still say "The Terminator" was story telling at its best and "T2" took that fine story, made it fungible and exchanged for a franchise.

Posted by: FireHorse at August 19, 2017 08:43 PM (zkGZ8)

203 Manchurian Candidate is on TMC
Posted by: Skip at August 19, 2017 08:37 PM (pPKG5)

Why don't you pass the time by playing a little solitaire?

-
Alternate title: Hillary; The Early Years.

Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 19, 2017 08:43 PM (Nwg0u)

204 He wasn't trying to be menacing. He was trying to be a comfort to the kid. Yet, he was menacing. Well done scene./i]

Peschi is an extremely good actor, who gets not a lot of credit because he's a little guy. Same situation, even more exaggerated is Peter Dinklage

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 19, 2017 08:44 PM (39g3+)

205 166 Rosco Lee Brown was great as the cook

The chemistry between him and John Wayne is excellent. Apparently Brown thought Duke was a racist monster but found out he was a great guy once he worked with him.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor



John Wayne was a pro and a gentleman. He did a movie with the still in the closet Rock Hudson. Insiders thought Wayne would shun him. Just the opposite. They became friends. Not close ones but friends. JW was a good guy.

Posted by: Puddleglum at August 19, 2017 08:44 PM (A+lP4)

206
There was a sequel to Alfie. Alfie Darling (1975) Alan Price who was in the Animals played Alfie and Joan Collins was in it. I've never seen it and can't ever remember it being on TV or cable. Has anyone else seen it?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 19, 2017 08:44 PM (auHtY)

207 Great Ending: French, "Wages of Fear"

Posted by: goatexchange at August 19, 2017 08:44 PM (YFnq5)

208 184 I've been toying with the idea of a post that defends the first Star Trek picture as a work of genius.

I may have to do that now.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone

I heard and interview once with Harlan Ellison, where he talked about when he and Gene Roddenberry went to the studio to pitch the idea for the first Star Trek movie.
Harlan had this really elaborate, evocative story regarding a race of beings that had existed alongside humans for all of history, but were unknown to us.

It was pretty elaborate and imaginative.
The studio guys says..."Not big enough!"

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at August 19, 2017 08:39 PM (S6Pax)



The problem is that Star Trek was kind of a Space Western. An Action/Adventure series. They went and made The Motion Picture more of a Hard Sci-Fi Philosophical film.

Posted by: buzzion at August 19, 2017 08:44 PM (cAnNx)

209 Pug, I like Justified too. Sometimes people just need switched to the 'off' position.

Posted by: Eromero at August 19, 2017 08:44 PM (zLDYs)

210 201 never seen Limitless or In Time.

Looper was great. Gordon-Levitt did a wonderful Young Bruce Willis impression, especially across the table when each was trying to out-Willis the other. LOL.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at August 19, 2017 08:43 PM (TcPl3)

======

Rian Johnson wow and directed Looper, a movie where Bruce Willis murders one child and tries to murder another.

And he's making Star Wars Episode VIII.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at August 19, 2017 08:45 PM (Jj43a)

211 Peschi is an extremely good actor, who gets not a lot of credit because he's a little guy. Same situation, even more exaggerated is Peter Dinklage
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 19, 2017 08:44 PM (39g3+)

He drinks and he knows things. What's the big deal?

Posted by: Insomniac at August 19, 2017 08:45 PM (0mRoj)

212 One of the most underrated dramas of the past several decades is 'Pooty Tang'.

Posted by: Maxine Waters at August 19, 2017 08:45 PM (/qEW2)

213 Will and Grace had that curly headed readhead with some The Gay nonsense roommates or something IIRC.

I never watched it, but I always thought of a fist of an angry god every time she would have her hair down while wearing something tight.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - SJWs Destroyed My Garden Because I Grew Heritage Tomatoes at August 19, 2017 08:45 PM (fzJai)

214 g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at August 19, 2017 08:46 PM (KCxzN)

215 How about the ending of Fail Safe where President Henry Fonda has a couple H-bombs dropped on NYC?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 19, 2017 08:47 PM (IqV8l)

216 208
The problem is that Star Trek was kind of a Space Western. An Action/Adventure series. They went and made The Motion Picture more of a Hard Sci-Fi Philosophical film.
Posted by: buzzion at August 19, 2017 08:44 PM (cAnNx)

======

I think it's actually really close to The Cage, Star Trek's first pilot, in style and tone.

It helps me that The Cage might be my favorite hour of Star Trek.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at August 19, 2017 08:47 PM (Jj43a)

217 Alternate title: Hillary; The Early Years.
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message

IDK, Angela Lansberry's character could at least pull off genuine and relatable.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at August 19, 2017 08:47 PM (+ytNp)

218 A little known Rock Hudson movie 'Seconds' has a great, but really intense ending.

Posted by: JackS at August 19, 2017 08:48 PM (DknNB)

219 185
Great endings? "Midnight Run" comes to mind. Perfection.
Posted by: otho



It got robbed of an Oscar. It was the best movie that year (198

Posted by: Puddleglum at August 19, 2017 08:48 PM (A+lP4)

220 179 I thought Roseanne was best in the early years. As it went on her character got shrill strident and mean-spirited. JMO.

Will Grace back on too. That is gonna be SJW TV extraordinaire.

These shows were also on before Social Media. I wonder how that will affect them? The actors are not used to cruel feedback. They were critical darlings when first on TV.

Posted by: Gorilla Gumdrop at August 19, 2017 08:37 PM (Y1iuP)

++++

I think the early years worked better because Roseanne was constrained. Sure, she wanted to live the life of a domestic goddess, but the reality was she had to go to work every day, do some shitty job, report to some creep of a boss, all for little money. Then she had to go home and deal with kids and a husband who though they may put up with some of her shit, they are gonna deal out some of their own as well.

As the series progressed, it removed the checks on her. Instead of a boss, she owned a restaurant. Her husband more and more just took whatever she was dishing out, Plus, they brought in the pussy David, and then turned Darlene into a mini Roseanne.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 19, 2017 08:48 PM (FUu/Z)

221 Star Trek: The Motion Picture started life as guess what, an episode for Star Trek Phase II or the return to TV. But then Star Wars happened.

The title of this episode was called "In Thy Image" and was written by Alan Dean Foster. First version of the story was dated July 31, 1977. There is no mention of Ilia. The Klingons who would get screen time in the movie are also missing in this version.

If you want to read this story and Livingston's first draft of the script, which includes Admiral Kirk's battle with Star Fleet Chief of Staff Admiral Nogura, they are both published in Star Trek Phase II: The Lost Series by Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at August 19, 2017 08:49 PM (28bqZ)

222 How about the ending of Fail Safe where President Henry Fonda has a couple H-bombs dropped on NYC?

-
A few decades too early, but still . . . .

Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 19, 2017 08:49 PM (Nwg0u)

223 Joe Peschi kind of fell into a stereotype, because everyone wanted him to "do the Goodfellas thing,' but he is very talented, and can do comedy as neatly as he does creepy bad guy.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at August 19, 2017 08:50 PM (v3I5m)

224 Honestly, Harlan Ellison's idea would have sucked too. There was nothing in Star Trek lore to justify the secret invisible race of aliens alongside guiding? suppressing? humanity.

And the Vulcans had that job locked up anyway.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at August 19, 2017 08:50 PM (TcPl3)

225 "I've been toying with the idea of a post that defends the first Star Trek picture as a work of genius.

I may have to do that now.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone"


You're joking, right? All I can remember from that is Sinead O'Connor with a synthesized voice talking about 'Beejers'.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at August 19, 2017 08:50 PM (/qEW2)

226 You're gonna have to come up with something really good to cover 15 minutes of flying around a glowing space cloud with no dialogue...

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at August 19, 2017 08:41 PM (w+Jhj)

---

Speaking of, I'm still hoping we get a Gateway/Heechee* movie at some point. THAT was a story that didn't know when to quit, but the first three books were very enjoyable.

* Have to be careful using that term these days.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - SJWs Destroyed My Garden Because I Grew Heritage Tomatoes at August 19, 2017 08:50 PM (fzJai)

227 So what is the Horde opinion of Shin Godzilla?

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at August 19, 2017 08:28 PM (28bqZ)



Eh, very mixed opinion.

Hated goofy-looking "fish" Godzilla flopping around Tokyo.

Hated the "realistic" emphasis on government bureaucrats failing the people. I understand that it's supposed to be a commentary on the Japanese gov't after the huge tsunami and their lame-ass handling of the meltdown,

but this is a fucking Godzilla movie!!!!!

Where's the fire and thunder?

Loved the fire and thunder when it finally came.

Disliked Spiky Beams of Death shooting out of Godzillas back.

Hated the Godzilla Goes into Reboot Mode and Freezes in Place for about 1/3 of the movie.

Lame-ass destruction of Godzilla.


So, I guess I hated it. Except for Godzilla fire action.

Both sets of Japanese and Hollywood A-holes don't really seem to understand what viewers want from a Godzilla movie.

They need to let me write and direct the next one.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 19, 2017 08:50 PM (9q7Dl)

228 TheJamesMadison's Phone. 200

I beg to disagree. I waited for that movie with anticipation. They stole my hard-earned cash for a mess of a movie.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at August 19, 2017 08:51 PM (hyuyC)

229 Somebody above mentioned Pootie Tang.

As I recall, that was such a strange/weird movie, Roger Ebert openly said he didn't even know how to review it.

Posted by: qdpsteve at August 19, 2017 08:51 PM (eMKNe)

230 The Miss Havisham story?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 19, 2017 08:34 PM (auHtY)

No.

Spaceballs.

Posted by: the guy across the street at August 19, 2017 08:52 PM (sf2BM)

231 213 Will and Grace had that curly headed readhead with some The Gay nonsense roommates or something IIRC.

I never watched it, but I always thought of a fist of an angry god every time she would have her hair down while wearing something tight.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - SJWs Destroyed My Garden Because I Grew Heritage Tomatoes at August 19, 2017 08:45 PM (fzJai)

Debra Messing was the ginger. And she is also the actress who took out a Full page ad with Martin Sheen, etc. in NYT, protesting the Trump election and asking for protests worldwide. We are talking head crazy. So, IMO, that show is gonna be a vehicle for that agenda.

Sean Hayes & William McCormack were the gay guys. The other actress "Karen" is all I remember.

There a few episodes I remember as quite funny. Kevin Bacon was one. Matt Damon the other.

I'd watch it if it was gonna be funny w/o the anti-trump agenda, but can't imagine that'll be true, b/c of Messing.

Posted by: Gorilla Gumdrop at August 19, 2017 08:52 PM (Y1iuP)

232 Somebody above mentioned Pootie Tang.

As I recall, that was such a strange/weird movie, Roger Ebert openly said he didn't even know how to review it.
Posted by: qdpsteve

Save your pity on the runny side!

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at August 19, 2017 08:53 PM (+ytNp)

233 How about the ending of Fail Safe where President Henry Fonda has a couple H-bombs dropped on NYC?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 19, 2017 08:47 PM (IqV8l)



And a couple millennia later Chuck Heston shows up and damns us all to hell

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 19, 2017 08:53 PM (auHtY)

234 I fell asleep during The Village.



An hour and twenty minutes to finally find out that Our Heroes are actually That Cult On State Route 20.


Holy crap that was dumb.

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at August 19, 2017 08:53 PM (2wRtc)

235 Great endings? "Midnight Run" comes to mind. Perfection.
Posted by: otho


It got robbed of an Oscar. It was the best movie that year (198


Posted by: Puddleglum at August 19, 2017 08:48 PM


It's a masterpiece. One of the finest examples of cinematic storytelling ever made. It's got everything. And that ending? Just perect. It's much, much more than just a comedy action flick.

Posted by: otho at August 19, 2017 08:54 PM (qGuLD)

236 I agree Midnight Run was Oscar material. A better film than Rain Man that won best picture that year

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 19, 2017 08:54 PM (39g3+)

237 95 That's one of Hollywood's tropes I am absolutely most sick of: fake deaths. Apparently H'wood writers think it's (or love to portray it as) soooo fucking easy to do. In real life it's next to impossible.

Not if you have sufficient resources.
Posted by: J. R. at August 19, 2017 08:10 PM (/qEW2)

I thought that was Bobby in the shower.

"It was only a dream."

Posted by: Fox2! at August 19, 2017 08:54 PM (brIR5)

238 John Wayne was a pro and a gentleman. He did a movie with the still in
the closet Rock Hudson. Insiders thought Wayne would shun him. Just the
opposite. They became friends. Not close ones but friends. JW was a good
guy.

Yoo hoo! Look at me!! He and I also killed many stinkin Cong together in the Green Berets!

Posted by: Annoying Gay Asian Star Trek Guy at August 19, 2017 08:55 PM (O5Q3r)

239 Will and Grace

The only thing I remember about that show was that Megan Mullally (sp?) was smokin' hot, despite the helium voice.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at August 19, 2017 08:55 PM (v3I5m)

240 234 I fell asleep during The Village.



An hour and twenty minutes to finally find out that Our Heroes are actually That Cult On State Route 20.


Holy crap that was dumb.

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at August 19, 2017 08:53 PM (2wRtc)



Amish with their fingers in their ears and blindfolds shouting "LALALA We can't hear you!"


What about airplanes and helicopters flying over them?

Posted by: buzzion at August 19, 2017 08:56 PM (cAnNx)

241 In hindsight, the universe that Pohl created with Gateway is depressing as all get out. People go to Gateway because there no other options left, so they hop in a Heechee ship not knowing if they'll end up dead or worse or merely rich.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at August 19, 2017 08:56 PM (28bqZ)

242 JackS @ 218- yeah, the real name of the movie was 'Sounds-Echo Of Penis'.

Posted by: Eromero at August 19, 2017 08:57 PM (zLDYs)

243 240
What about airplanes and helicopters flying over them?
Posted by: buzzion at August 19, 2017 08:56 PM (cAnNx)

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There's a line of dialogue that explains that.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at August 19, 2017 08:57 PM (Jj43a)

244 "It was only a dream."
Posted by: Fox2!

*gunshot*
*fade to black*

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at August 19, 2017 08:57 PM (+ytNp)

245 Debra Messing was the ginger. And she is also the actress who took out a Full page ad with Martin Sheen, etc. in NYT, protesting the Trump election and asking for protests worldwide. We are talking head crazy. So, IMO, that show is gonna be a vehicle for that agenda.

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Well yeah. Her being a redhead is the only reason I looked twice at her crazy bunny-boiling ass.

I'm glad I'll never have a chance to try, because I would deeply consider it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - SJWs Destroyed My Garden Because I Grew Heritage Tomatoes at August 19, 2017 08:57 PM (fzJai)

246 185
Great endings? "Midnight Run" comes to mind. Perfection.

Posted by: otho at August 19, 2017 08:40 PM (qGuLD)

++++

That was a great movie, but the ending was a Hollywood ending. He gets his prisoner back to LA just in time to get his big payday. The payday that will let him pursue his dream of getting out of the bounty business and open his own diner. But, instead of doing that, he just lets his prisoner go.

I call BS, #1.

Then, his prisoner, out of the goodness of his heart, pulls the money out of his ass and gifts it to the bounty hunter.

I call BS, #2.

Then the bounty hunter, who had earlier turned down a straight payoff to let his prisoner go, decides that a gift doesn't count as a payoff, so he tales the money.

I call BS, #3.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 19, 2017 08:58 PM (pvjTE)

247 The Brave One was a good revenge movie also.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 19, 2017 08:59 PM (XYOLS)

248 Rock Hudson's best, IMO, was TV, McMillan and Wife. He and Susan Saint James (and Nancy Walker) and some of the best on-screen chemistry of any couple.

And that shows what an actor he could be of course, since he would make Shep Smith look straight by comparison.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at August 19, 2017 08:59 PM (8O3HH)

249 112 85 I would love to see Jim Gaffigan play an asshole.

I daresay he would be surprisingly good as some kind of truly bad guy.
Posted by: Pug Mahon


Well Bryan Cranston went from goofy Dad in Malcolm in the Middle to scary smart and manipulatively evil meth dealer Walter White. So its doable.
Posted by: Puddleglum, just askin' questions at August 19, 2017 08:15 PM (A+lP4)


Or Michael Chiklis from the silly Commish to downright evil Vic Mackey on The Shield.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at August 19, 2017 09:00 PM (cde/w)

250 246: Relax, its a movie.

Also, SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH!!!!

;-)

Posted by: Puddleglum at August 19, 2017 09:00 PM (A+lP4)

251 Yep, that was some brilliant script writing and fantastic acting. Great show!

Posted by: Puddleglum, just askin' questions at August 19, 2017 08:21 PM (A+lP4)


My youngest sun told me that we should watch Braking Bad and that it was about a drug dealer. Mrs H and I looked at each other and said no way. Much later, near the end of the series, we were desperately searching for something, anything, to watch on the desert of Netflix and said well, let's just watch one or two episodes. Next thing we knew, we were binge watching BB for days in a row, and caught up to the series in time to watch the finale when it first aired.

Great character actors, and great writing.

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 19, 2017 09:00 PM (gwPgz)

252 "It was only a dream."

Posted by: Fox2! at August 19, 2017 08:54 PM (brIR5)



Emily you won't believe the dream I just had. I was an inn keeper in this crazy town in Vermont. Nothing made sense

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 19, 2017 09:01 PM (auHtY)

253 "Space: The final frontier." (So, a Western in Space.)

"These are the voyages of the Starship Enterprise." (OK, it's serial.)

"It's five-year mission." (After which time you're going to run out of material. Is that what you're preparing me for?)

"To seek out new life and new civilizations." (Not just space Westerns, then. Anything goes, right?)

"To boldly go where no man has gone before." (Which bring me to Star Trek the Motion Picture....)

Will Decker was not bold. Maybe he fit the idea of Starfleet but he wasn't "Star Trek." Reprise Captain James T. Kirk. And throw in a fine looking woman with a bald head, a glowing thing on her throat and an outfit consisting solely of a smock that barely covered her v-ger.

I liked (but didn't love) ST1.

Posted by: FireHorse at August 19, 2017 09:02 PM (zkGZ8)

254
And Emily, wear more sweaters, please.

Posted by: Dr. Bob Hartley at August 19, 2017 09:02 PM (8O3HH)

255 Best ending is Godfather II

Posted by: MAGA at August 19, 2017 09:03 PM (Tyk2V)

256 What about airplanes and helicopters flying over them?

Posted by: buzzion at August 19, 2017 08:56 PM (cAnNx)


The term of art is "a willing suspension of disbelief"!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 19, 2017 09:03 PM (gwPgz)

257 That was a great movie, but the ending was a Hollywood ending. He gets his prisoner back to LA just in time to get his big payday. The payday that will let him pursue his dream of getting out of the bounty business and open his own diner. But, instead of doing that, he just lets his prisoner go.

I call BS, #1.

Then, his prisoner, out of the goodness of his heart, pulls the money out of his ass and gifts it to the bounty hunter.

I call BS, #2.

Then the bounty hunter, who had earlier turned down a straight payoff to let his prisoner go, decides that a gift doesn't count as a payoff, so he tales the money.

I call BS, #3.


Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 19, 2017 08:58 PM


*sigh* I fear you missed the actual story.

Posted by: otho at August 19, 2017 09:03 PM (qGuLD)

258 I'm going to the Harvest Crusade

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at August 19, 2017 09:04 PM (6Ll1u)

259 253
I liked (but didn't love) ST1.
Posted by: FireHorse at August 19, 2017 09:02 PM (zkGZ

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ST1's genius doesn't come from the topical things like plot it character, but from how it works as a visual experience.

That's cold comfort to, well, most people, but I will defend it on this grounds forever.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at August 19, 2017 09:04 PM (Jj43a)

260
Honestly, Harlan Ellison's idea would have sucked too. There was nothing in Star Trek lore to justify the secret invisible race of aliens alongside guiding? suppressing? humanity.

Vorlons in Babylon 5

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 19, 2017 09:04 PM (IqV8l)

261
What about airplanes and helicopters flying over them?

Posted by: buzzion
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shyeah, right?

Fire trucks? Ambulance?


" Tis the wailing of the mist-dragons , blind girl-childe. Cover thine ears lest ye be fascinated and stolen away in the night."

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at August 19, 2017 09:05 PM (2wRtc)

262 Midichlorians?

Posted by: I had a name, but I forgot at August 19, 2017 09:05 PM (O4Oke)

263
It's actually that stuff that I defend most stridently.

There's prose to the seemingly endless effects, and one you get it, I think, you get really drawn in.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at August 19, 2017 08:43 PM (Jj43a)

==========

Thank You! Thats something that needs to be said. Those sections help immerse you. Yeah, some of the effect is lost on the small screen, but you can see what they were going for. You gotta respect them for trying to do something more than a Star Wars cash in flick. They might have pulled out off if the suits had let them finish the script before filming started.

Posted by: Jackal at August 19, 2017 09:06 PM (o3+fQ)

264
It was all downhill after Kirk. Picard? Give me a break. And then Janeway, my Lord. Sisko had his moments, though.

But Kirk rules.

Posted by: Dr. Bob Hartley at August 19, 2017 09:06 PM (8O3HH)

265 241 In hindsight, the universe that Pohl created with Gateway is depressing as all get out. People go to Gateway because there no other options left, so they hop in a Heechee ship not knowing if they'll end up dead or worse or merely rich.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at August 19, 2017 08:56 PM (28bqZ)

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It was, but I thought Pohl handled it well
SPOILERS
with the food ship and the new tech trickling in. I really enjoyed it up until he was put into the machine (book 4, I guess). I didn't finish even though I was very interested in the other group of aliens.

I think it would be a good movie. Get the Moon guys to do it simply and with good acting instead of the entire focus on 'splosions and space wars to sell video games.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - SJWs Destroyed My Garden Because I Grew Heritage Tomatoes at August 19, 2017 09:06 PM (fzJai)

266 @150 So what is the Horde opinion of Shin Godzilla?
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Haven't seen it, but read the TV Tropes entry on it. After learning of the nature of Godzilla in that movie, I lost interest in it.

I take it you've seen it? Do you think it's worth seeing?

Posted by: junior at August 19, 2017 09:07 PM (Q6qiA)

267 The only sub-standard parts for me with Shin-Godzilla parts when it seemed the Japanese screenwriters really needed an American to write the American portions.

When the monster first appeared and talk of leaking radioactivity from the mouth, I thought it was a good homage to one of the movies that originally inspired Gojira namely The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms.

I kinda liked the Japanese bureaucrats running around politely with their heads cut off. PM, "Get my uniform." *whosh* Out of a locker in a plastic bag is his blue crisis uniform. Not sure if Anno was striving for black comedy but it certainly tried to attain that.

Sure Godzilla rebooting itself seems a bit lame, but it is still being true to the earlier Gojira and its adaptive G-Factor which made it very hard to kill.

I enjoyed the movie.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at August 19, 2017 09:07 PM (28bqZ)

268 260:Vorlons in Babylon 5


and The Shadows. I may have to pull out the DVDs of B5. Haven't seen it in a while.

Posted by: Puddleglum at August 19, 2017 09:07 PM (A+lP4)

269 263
Thank You! Thats something that needs to be said. Those sections help immerse you. Yeah, some of the effect is lost on the small screen, but you can see what they were going for. You gotta respect them for trying to do something more than a Star Wars cash in flick. They might have pulled out off if the suits had let them finish the script before filming started.
Posted by: Jackal at August 19, 2017 09:06 PM (o3+fQ)

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From a normal perspective, ST1 is a mess, but I think it's closer to a visual experience and experimental film than a narrative one.

That makes it hard to enjoy, but incredibly awesome one you get it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at August 19, 2017 09:08 PM (Jj43a)

270 It was all downhill after Kirk. Picard? Give me a break. And then Janeway, my Lord. Sisko had his moments, though.

But Kirk rules.
Posted by: Dr. Bob Hartley

I thought Janeway was kinda hot, despite her incredibly stupid command decisions.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at August 19, 2017 09:08 PM (+ytNp)

271 Loved the ending of "Memento." Definitely a "holy shit!" ending.

And it was actually the beginning. Which was bonus cool.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at August 19, 2017 09:09 PM (1ouh3)

272 ST1's genius doesn't come from the topical things like plot it character, but from how it works as a visual experience.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone
________

That was the thing it lacked (necessarily) as a TV show. A movie screen could add that lacking dimension, and ST1 succeeded at that.

And, IIRC, Star Trek was the first television series to be made into a movie. Talk about boldly going!

Posted by: FireHorse at August 19, 2017 09:09 PM (zkGZ8)

273 264
It was all downhill after Kirk. Picard? Give me a break. And then Janeway, my Lord. Sisko had his moments, though.

But Kirk rules.
Posted by: Dr. Bob Hartley at August 19, 2017 09:06 PM (8O3HH)

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Have you ever seen "In The Pale Moonlight"? If not, go to Netflix and watch it. It makes you go "Picard who???"

Posted by: Jackal at August 19, 2017 09:10 PM (o3+fQ)

274 239 Will and Grace

The only thing I remember about that show was that Megan Mullally (sp?) was smokin' hot, despite the helium voice.
Posted by: Pug Mahon at August 19, 2017 08:55 PM (v3I5m)

The TV ad I saw announcing the comeback...Megan looked even better to me than she did at series end. Of the 4, she looked the best. But, omg, that voice was the decibel level of pain.

I expect a series of guest stars that are SJW/Anti-Trump.

IMHO, that is the only reason show is coming back...political warfare. Cynical of me? You betcha. I hope I'm wrong.

Posted by: Gorilla Gumdrop at August 19, 2017 09:10 PM (Y1iuP)

275 272
And, IIRC, Star Trek was the first television series to be made into a movie. Talk about boldly going!
Posted by: FireHorse at August 19, 2017 09:09 PM (zkGZ

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I think Monty Python actually precedes it with Holly Grail.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at August 19, 2017 09:11 PM (Jj43a)

276 Godfather II:
I used to rate it with Godfather I, but I'm liking it less and less. The flashback scenes still hold up but the "current" scenes fail. Too many plot holes.

Posted by: Chuck C at August 19, 2017 09:12 PM (v8B+3)

277 In Taxi Driver, I always thought that the entire confrontation with the pimps and the big shootout was ALL in Travis Bickle's head. That in the end, he was still a time bomb that had not yet gone off.

Posted by: Toad-O at August 19, 2017 09:12 PM (cct0t)

278
You know, Kate Mulgrew played "Mrs. Columbo", which was just abomination of the Columbo cannon. Everybody hated it and even Peter Falk threw some shade on it.

But anyway, there was some Cracked parody of Voyager. In the opening panel, they had a hilarious caricature of Peter Falk as Columbo on one of the screens in the background saying "Take my wife, please!"

I'm a raging horn dog, but Janeway's voice would just shut me down cold.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at August 19, 2017 09:12 PM (8O3HH)

279 And, IIRC, Star Trek was the first television series to be made into a movie. Talk about boldly going!

Posted by: FireHorse at August 19, 2017 09:09 PM (zkGZ8



Ahem.

Posted by: Batman at August 19, 2017 09:13 PM (cAnNx)

280 TJM, can you do a movie post one week about great foreign films?

Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityProd (tm) at August 19, 2017 09:13 PM (/o9Qk)

281 Will and Grace?

A man reviews legal documents to insure inheritance while a hot redhead leads the family in thanks to God for the food.

Close?

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at August 19, 2017 09:14 PM (2wRtc)

282 The only film more ponderous than Star Trek the Motion Picture is 2001 A Space Oddessy.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 19, 2017 09:14 PM (9A6UB)

283
I put The Cowboys in my top 3 westerns, the revenge factor and the set up is perfect.

Posted by: Skip at August 19, 2017 08:23 PM (pPKG5)







And one of the greatest badass lines of dialog in movie history in Mr Nightlinger's prayer/confession near the end of the movie.

"I regret trifling with married women. I'm thoroughly ashamed at cheating at cards. I deplore my occasional departures from the truth. Forgive me for taking your name in vain, my Saturday drunkenness, my Sunday sloth. Above all, forgive me for the men I've killed in anger ...

*looks at Bruce Dern*

... and those I am about to."

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 19, 2017 09:14 PM (iFZVz)

284 276 Godfather II:
I used to rate it with Godfather I, but I'm liking it less and less. The flashback scenes still hold up but the "current" scenes fail. Too many plot holes.
Posted by: Chuck C at August 19, 2017 09:12 PM (v8B+3)

It insists upon itself.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 19, 2017 09:14 PM (0mRoj)

285 Did anyone see the new Alfie with Jude Law?
I didn't because I like the original so much.
Why bother?

But I'm curious if they even included the abortion story line and, if so, how they handled it.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 19, 2017 09:14 PM (0jtPF)

286 Ponderous?

Cameron's Titanic in more ways than one.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at August 19, 2017 09:15 PM (28bqZ)

287
275 272
And, IIRC, Star Trek was the first television series to be made into a movie. Talk about boldly going!
Posted by: FireHorse at August 19, 2017 09:09 PM (zkGZ

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I think Monty Python actually precedes it with Holly Grail.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at August 19, 2017 09:11 PM (Jj43a)



Again. Ahem.

Posted by: Batman at August 19, 2017 09:15 PM (cAnNx)

288 280 TJM, can you do a movie post one week about great foreign films?
Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityProd (tm) at August 19, 2017 09:13 PM (/o9Qk)

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Alfie doesn't count?!?!

But yeah, the problem for me is that I don't like all foreign language movies into one category. But I can focus in on something. Who wants to discuss the French New Wave?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at August 19, 2017 09:15 PM (Jj43a)

289 225 "I've been toying with the idea of a post that defends the first Star Trek picture as a work of genius.

I may have to do that now.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone"

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As compared to the crap nowadays, yes.

Posted by: MAGA at August 19, 2017 09:15 PM (Tyk2V)

290 "From a normal perspective, ST1 is a mess, but I think it's closer to a visual experience and experimental film than a narrative one.

That makes it hard to enjoy, but incredibly awesome one you get it."
TheJamesMadison's Phone

I need the story line. Cloudy perspective shots leave me in a fog.

I never claim to be a deep thinker. I need a well-told story, not visual excess.

IMHO, a Star Trek universe movie that would really interest me starts with the Star Fleet personnel officer looking at a chart of Starships lost per CO. Kirk's numbers would be off the chart - normally a very bad thing. Gets into a story of how talent is managed, like short stories of saga-worthy command actions.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at August 19, 2017 09:16 PM (hyuyC)

291 What was the name of the Kevin Costner (think thats him) movie where he kidnapped the little kid in the 50s or 60s and was a weird dad to him briefly before, I *think*, being shot and killed by cops at the end?

I remember liking that movie a lot in college.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - SJWs Destroyed My Garden Because I Grew Heritage Tomatoes at August 19, 2017 09:16 PM (fzJai)

292 269 263
Thank You! Thats something that needs to be said. Those sections help immerse you. Yeah, some of the effect is lost on the small screen, but you can see what they were going for. You gotta respect them for trying to do something more than a Star Wars cash in flick. They might have pulled out off if the suits had let them finish the script before filming started.
Posted by: Jackal at August 19, 2017 09:06 PM (o3+fQ)

=====

From a normal perspective, ST1 is a mess, but I think it's closer to a visual experience and experimental film than a narrative one.

That makes it hard to enjoy, but incredibly awesome one you get it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at August 19, 2017 09:08 PM (Jj43a)

============

Even before I learned to appreciate it as much as I do now, I loved out for howhard it strived to be more than it was. It was big, and tried have more thought to it than Star Wars. I agree, its a throwback to the early 1st season episodes, and I love that about it too. Its more of a Star Trek movie than 4, thats to be sure. Friggin HATE that one. (Dons Flame suit)

Posted by: Jackal at August 19, 2017 09:16 PM (o3+fQ)

293 286 Ponderous?

Cameron's Titanic in more ways than one.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at August 19, 2017 09:15 PM (28bqZ)

I like Bill Burr's bit on Titanic. "It's not romantic, it's a fucking horror film!"

Posted by: Insomniac at August 19, 2017 09:17 PM (0mRoj)

294 I really liked These Final Hours.

Australian. Made me think a lot.

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at August 19, 2017 09:17 PM (2wRtc)

295 Even before I learned to appreciate it as much as I do now, I loved out for howhard it strived to be more than it was. It was big, and tried have more thought to it than Star Wars. I agree, its a throwback to the early 1st season episodes, and I love that about it too. Its more of a Star Trek movie than 4, thats to be sure. Friggin HATE that one. (Dons Flame suit)
Posted by: Jackal at August 19, 2017 09:16 PM (o3+fQ)

Well double-dumbass on you!

Posted by: josephistan at August 19, 2017 09:18 PM (ANIFC)

296 John Wick


Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at August 19, 2017 09:19 PM (2wRtc)

297 I wonder if we will see the end of the Powerball jackpot rolling over tonight?

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at August 19, 2017 09:19 PM (28bqZ)

298 ^obligatory

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at August 19, 2017 09:19 PM (2wRtc)

299 Arguing about Star Trek captains on the Internet is something I've been practicing for about 20 years. I think I'm ready ....

The best Enterprise captain is Rachel Garrett.

(Now all this blog needs is a section for dogs and cats.)

Posted by: FireHorse at August 19, 2017 09:19 PM (zkGZ8)

300
IMHO, a Star Trek universe movie that would really interest me starts with the Star Fleet personnel officer looking at a chart of Starships lost per CO. Kirk's numbers would be off the chart - normally a very bad thing. Gets into a story of how talent is managed, like short stories of saga-worthy command actions.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at August 19, 2017 09:16 PM (hyuyC)







That's a major theme in Scalzi's book Redshirts, which is funny as hell, even if the man himself is a weapons-grade asshole.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 19, 2017 09:20 PM (iFZVz)

301 Will and Grace?

A man reviews legal documents to insure inheritance while a hot redhead leads the family in thanks to God for the food.

Close?

Posted by: Mortimer


No, your Will is depraved, in bondage to sin. Hence it can only be regenerated by an act of Grace.

Posted by: John Calivin at August 19, 2017 09:20 PM (/qEW2)

302 The happiest ending of a movie ever?

Easy Rider!

I still get tears of joy when I watch it.

Posted by: Puddleglum at August 19, 2017 07:52 PM (A+lP4)


I would watch Isadora a hundred times just to watch Vanessa Redgrave die horribly and ridiculously.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 19, 2017 09:20 PM (q2ydF)

303 What was the name of the Kevin Costner (think thats him) movie where he
kidnapped the little kid in the 50s or 60s and was a weird dad to him
briefly before, I *think*, being shot and killed by cops at the end?

A Perfect World. Clint was the sheriff who was chasing him.

Posted by: tu3031 at August 19, 2017 09:20 PM (O5Q3r)

304 Yeah, that Megan Whatever in Will & Grace had a nails-on-chalkboard voice for sure. Almost as bad as the otherwise lovely actress who starred in The Nanny.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 19, 2017 09:21 PM (0jtPF)

305 264
It was all downhill after Kirk. Picard? Give me a break. And then Janeway, my Lord. Sisko had his moments, though.

But Kirk rules.
Posted by: Dr. Bob Hartley at August 19, 2017 09:06 PM (8O3HH)
---------------
What about a Star Trek: Enterprise? Scott Bakula as Capt.? They were the only ST Series to use a different song for the opening too. "Faith of the Heart".

http://tinyurl.com/ybacwjk7

Posted by: Gorilla Gumdrop at August 19, 2017 09:21 PM (Y1iuP)

306 Jackal, "Ah the Great Ones."

For once the other characters got some air time to do things. And it was a good anodyne seeing the crew do 'fish out of water' compared to how serious II and III were with all the deaths.

"I got used to flying a Huey."

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at August 19, 2017 09:21 PM (28bqZ)

307
291 What was the name of the Kevin Costner (think thats him) movie where he kidnapped the little kid in the 50s or 60s and was a weird dad to him briefly before, I *think*, being shot and killed by cops at the end?

I remember liking that movie a lot in college.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - SJWs Destroyed My Garden Because I Grew Heritage Tomatoes at August 19, 2017 09:16 PM (fzJai)








A Perfect World. One of Costner's best performances.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 19, 2017 09:22 PM (iFZVz)

308
Star Fleet is damned matriarchy, I believe. They tried to throw the feminists a bone by making all the admirals women.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at August 19, 2017 09:22 PM (8O3HH)

309 But yeah, the problem for me is that I don't like
all foreign language movies into one category. But I can focus in on
something. Who wants to discuss the French New Wave?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at August 19, 2017 09:15 PM (Jj43a)


I have a soft spot for French films.
Le Chef
Intouchables
Amelie

Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityProd (tm) at August 19, 2017 09:22 PM (/o9Qk)

310 286 Ponderous?

Cameron's Titanic in more ways than one.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR)



Titanic would have been awesome had it just been Kate Winslet nude and masturbating. Maybe Leo DiCrapio being gang raped by Aliens too. Titanic is one of those movies that was truly awful yet made gobs of money and won Oscars.

Posted by: Puddleglum at August 19, 2017 09:22 PM (A+lP4)

311 291

A Perfect World.

Directed by Clint Eastwood.

Posted by: Toad-O at August 19, 2017 09:22 PM (cct0t)

312 Why cant Hollywood make something new? Instead of remaking old stuff?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at August 19, 2017 09:22 PM (6Ll1u)

313 A Perfect World.

Posted by: tu3031 at August 19, 2017 09:20 PM (O5Q3r)

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Thanks. I'm finding it online or buying it to be shipped to watch. I hope it's as good as I remember.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - SJWs Destroyed My Garden Because I Grew Heritage Tomatoes at August 19, 2017 09:22 PM (fzJai)

314 What about a Star Trek: Enterprise? Scott Bakula as Capt.? They were
the only ST Series to use a different song for the opening too. "Faith
of the Heart".


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Vulcan tits, FTW.



Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at August 19, 2017 09:23 PM (2wRtc)

315 The best movie ending was Titanic. I saw it on a first date and was so happy when it was finally over.

Posted by: X-ray at August 19, 2017 09:23 PM (zoSd2)

316 one of my favorite movie endings is "the others". it's also my favorite ghost story. i think it's developed beautifully and carried through on every level.

i've read people saying they saw it coming, that it was obvious they were ghosts. but i'm really a patsy when it comes to movies. i suspend disbelief and go along with just about any premise at face value (with exceptions for real stupidity).

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at August 19, 2017 09:23 PM (AxFdW)

317 279 --

I stand corrected.

Posted by: FireHorse at August 19, 2017 09:23 PM (zkGZ8)

318 NCC-1701C "Yesterday's Enterprise" in which Picard actually makes a momentous decision on gut feelings. Alas it is Guinan's gut feelings but still. And then the writers had to ruin Tasha Yar's death ride...

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at August 19, 2017 09:23 PM (28bqZ)

319 Almost as bad as the otherwise lovely actress who starred in The Nanny.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille

Fran Dressler, also in UHF.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at August 19, 2017 09:23 PM (+ytNp)

320 291 What was the name of the Kevin Costner (think thats him) movie where he kidnapped the little kid in the 50s or 60s and was a weird dad to him briefly before, I *think*, being shot and killed by cops at the end?

I remember liking that movie a lot in college.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - SJWs Destroyed My Garden Because I Grew Heritage Tomatoes at August 19, 2017 09:16 PM (fzJai)

++++

A Perfect World

I liked it as well/

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 19, 2017 09:24 PM (pvjTE)

321 Then the New Zealand films, especially those directed by Taika Waititi.


Oh how I love Hunt for the Wilderpeople.

Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityProd (tm) at August 19, 2017 09:24 PM (/o9Qk)

322 What about a Star Trek: Enterprise? Scott Bakula as Capt.? They were the only ST Series to use a different song for the opening too. "Faith of the Heart".

http://tinyurl.com/ybacwjk7
Posted by: Gorilla Gumdrop at August 19, 2017 09:21 PM (Y1iuP)

I've been watching "Enterprise" and I like it a lot.

Posted by: josephistan at August 19, 2017 09:24 PM (ANIFC)

323 ... so, for example, while i never saw the village, i'm sure i would have been surprised.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at August 19, 2017 09:24 PM (AxFdW)

324 Who wants to discuss the French New Wave?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's


Oooo! Pierrot Le Fou by Goddard. Love that film! He was kind of a proto-antifa, but we'll cut him some slack. He couldn't know what it would mutate into.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at August 19, 2017 09:25 PM (/qEW2)

325 A Perfect World.



Posted by: tu3031 at August 19, 2017 09:20 PM (O5Q3r)

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I have always loved this movie.

Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityProd (tm) at August 19, 2017 09:25 PM (/o9Qk)

326 Want to know an irony?

"Alfie" was condemned by the Catholic Church at the time.

It turns out to be one of the strongest arguments against abortion.


Posted by: JAS at August 19, 2017 09:25 PM (UnDQI)

327 >> What about a Star Trek: Enterprise? Scott
>> Bakula as Capt.?

I had forgotten about that completely. But I watched it. T'Pol was hot.

I wonder what sex with a she-Vulcan would be like.... I'd give it a go.

But if I can only choose one, it would be a round with a she-Klingon. Holodeck safeties on, of course. One would have to train for that.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at August 19, 2017 09:26 PM (8O3HH)

328 At this point I consider Enterprise and the new series Discovery alternate timelines. Not original.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at August 19, 2017 09:26 PM (28bqZ)

329 318 NCC-1701C "Yesterday's Enterprise" in which Picard actually makes a momentous decision on gut feelings. Alas it is Guinan's gut feelings but still. And then the writers had to ruin Tasha Yar's death ride...
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at August 19, 2017 09:23 PM (28bqZ)

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Because Denise Crosby realized she made a huge mistake leaving the show and wanted something resembling a regular paycheck by portraying her own daughter.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at August 19, 2017 09:26 PM (Jj43a)

330 @322 I've been watching "Enterprise" and I like it a lot.
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A friend of mine posted a link on Facebook earlier today stating that even Enterprise's writer now admits that the final episode was awful.

Posted by: junior at August 19, 2017 09:26 PM (Q6qiA)

331 312 Why cant Hollywood make something new? Instead of remaking old stuff?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at August 19, 2017 09:22 PM (6Ll1u)

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I'm not connected and have no real insight, but I suspect the studios already own the property and don't need to spend any extra money on licensing in order to begin making and remaking and reremaking the same thing over and over.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - SJWs Destroyed My Garden Because I Grew Heritage Tomatoes at August 19, 2017 09:26 PM (fzJai)

332 star wars, star trek, every movie thread devolves into space fantasy shit. meh. seen em. barely entertaining.

use big rocks. i don't care.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 19, 2017 09:27 PM (KP5rU)

333 Licensing is probably not the right word, but the Horde is smart enough to understand.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - SJWs Destroyed My Garden Because I Grew Heritage Tomatoes at August 19, 2017 09:27 PM (fzJai)

334


A friend of mine posted a link on Facebook earlier today stating
that even Enterprise's writer now admits that the final episode was
awful.
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The Enterprise finale was less of an episode and more like ... retaliation.

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at August 19, 2017 09:27 PM (2wRtc)

335 330
A friend of mine posted a link on Facebook earlier today stating that even Enterprise's writer now admits that the final episode was awful.
Posted by: junior at August 19, 2017 09:26 PM (Q6qiA)

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It's actually a TNG episode.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at August 19, 2017 09:27 PM (Jj43a)

336 330 @322 I've been watching "Enterprise" and I like it a lot.
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A friend of mine posted a link on Facebook earlier today stating that even Enterprise's writer now admits that the final episode was awful.
Posted by: junior at August 19, 2017 09:26 PM (Q6qiA)

I'll have to wait & see, I suppose.

Posted by: josephistan at August 19, 2017 09:27 PM (ANIFC)

337 happy when it was finally over.
Posted by: X-ray at August 19, 2017 09:23 PM

Date or movie?

Posted by: Skip at August 19, 2017 09:27 PM (pPKG5)

338 @323 so, for example, while i never saw the village, i'm sure i would have been surprised.
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Maybe, maybe not.

One of the complaints that I frequently saw about 'The Village' was that Shyamalan *always* had a twist in every single one of his movies. So people started expecting and looking for the twist.

Posted by: junior at August 19, 2017 09:28 PM (Q6qiA)

339 To Die For had a decent ending. Ice-skating over Nicole Kidman's face to the tune of Season of the Witch.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 19, 2017 09:28 PM (FUu/Z)

340 Kevin Costner was in a film where he plays a serial killer with a family. William Hurt was the 'voice' in his head.

'Mr. Brooks'. Underrated flick.

Posted by: Puddleglum at August 19, 2017 09:28 PM (A+lP4)

341 Louis Bunuel has lots of snarky films. More like a series of skits than films, although there is usually some slender connecting thread.

Fellini is awesome: La Dolce Vita, 8 1/2, and a quiet, sweet little film 'Ginger e Fred'.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at August 19, 2017 09:28 PM (/qEW2)

342 The surprise ending to "Lady in the Water" was that anyone paid money to watch it

Posted by: josephistan at August 19, 2017 09:29 PM (ANIFC)

343 *looks at time*

Been eight hours since last meal. Perhaps I should rectify that.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at August 19, 2017 09:29 PM (28bqZ)

344 338
One of the complaints that I frequently saw about 'The Village' was that Shyamalan *always* had a twist in every single one of his movies. So people started expecting and looking for the twist.
Posted by: junior at August 19, 2017 09:28 PM (Q6qiA)

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People expecting twists was a problem for him. Unbreakable has more of a reveal than a twist. Signs is twisty, for sure, but his twists were never really the point.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at August 19, 2017 09:30 PM (Jj43a)

345 Just saw "What happened to Monday" on Netflix.

Very entertaining.

Posted by: JAS at August 19, 2017 09:30 PM (UnDQI)

346 Date or movie?

Posted by: Skip at August 19, 2017 09:27 PM (pPKG5)

Date went "well" so movie.

Posted by: X-ray at August 19, 2017 09:30 PM (zoSd2)

347 316 one of my favorite movie endings is "the others". it's also my favorite ghost story. i think it's developed beautifully and carried through on every level.

i've read people saying they saw it coming, that it was obvious they were ghosts. but i'm really a patsy when it comes to movies. i suspend disbelief and go along with just about any premise at face value (with exceptions for real stupidity).
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at August 19, 2017 09:23 PM (AxFdW)
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Is that the Nicole Kidman one?

Posted by: Gorilla Gumdrop at August 19, 2017 09:31 PM (Y1iuP)

348 06 Jackal, "Ah the Great Ones."

For once the other characters got some air time to do things. And it was a good anodyne seeing the crew do 'fish out of water' compared to how serious II and III were with all the deaths.

"I got used to flying a Huey."
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at August 19, 2017 09:21 PM (28bqZ)

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Its just so freaking cringy. Aged horribly IMHO. And, its a freaking message movie whose message is about as 80s as they come. And the soundtrack is shit compared to all of the other movies. I like 5 more than 4. At least its a Star Trek movie.

Posted by: Jackal at August 19, 2017 09:31 PM (o3+fQ)

349 310 286 Ponderous?

Cameron's Titanic in more ways than one.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR)


Titanic would have been awesome had it just been Kate Winslet nude and masturbating. Maybe Leo DiCrapio being gang raped by Aliens too. Titanic is one of those movies that was truly awful yet made gobs of money and won Oscars.

Posted by: Puddleglum at August 19, 2017 09:22 PM (A+lP4)



Because 12 - 20 year old girls were all swooning over DiCaprio.

Posted by: buzzion at August 19, 2017 09:31 PM (cAnNx)

350 Aren't the Village and Skip foreign films? Ie. Bollywood.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at August 19, 2017 09:31 PM (/qEW2)

351 To Die For had a decent ending. Ice-skating over Nicole Kidman's face to the tune of Season of the Witch.


Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 19, 2017 09:28 PM


Agreed. Excellent movie, too.

Posted by: otho at August 19, 2017 09:31 PM (qGuLD)

352 Actually Kevin Costner has been in many underatted films, he was good in The Upside of Anger in which he plays a irascible retired baseball player.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 19, 2017 09:31 PM (9A6UB)

353 "I wonder if we will see the end of the Powerball jackpot rolling over tonight?


Posted by: Anna Puma:"

Tell you what. If I win, I'm going to have "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" made into a movie. And you guys can help me.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at August 19, 2017 09:32 PM (w+Jhj)

354 "Titanic" is one of the worst Best Picture films I can think of.

Posted by: josephistan at August 19, 2017 09:32 PM (ANIFC)

355 350 Aren't the Village and Skip foreign films? Ie. Bollywood.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at August 19, 2017 09:31 PM (/qEW2)

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Philadelphia is a foreign country?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at August 19, 2017 09:32 PM (Jj43a)

356 I'm currently drinking a Mayan Concubine.

Good cocktail.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 19, 2017 09:33 PM (9q7Dl)

357 Titanic and City of Angles came out around same time and thought CoA was much better

Posted by: Skip at August 19, 2017 09:33 PM (pPKG5)

358 354 "Titanic" is one of the worst Best Picture films I can think of.
Posted by: josephistan at August 19, 2017 09:32 PM (ANIFC)

Yep. I can understand set design and costumes but best picture? The movie sucked ass.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 19, 2017 09:33 PM (0mRoj)

359 354 "Titanic" is one of the worst Best Picture films I can think of.
Posted by: josephistan at August 19, 2017 09:32 PM (ANIFC)

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It's become fashionable to hate Titanic, but I still love it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at August 19, 2017 09:33 PM (Jj43a)

360
I've never seen Titanic. And I plan on keeping it that way.

Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at August 19, 2017 09:33 PM (8O3HH)

361 Enterprise had promise, I liked the crew, I like Bakula. But the time travel crap was awful and that intro made me want to change the channel every time. All wrong for Star Trek.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 19, 2017 09:34 PM (39g3+)

362 I'm currently drinking a Mayan Concubine.



Good cocktail.



Posted by: naturalfake at August 19, 2017 09:33 PM (9q7Dl)
A sacrificial smoothie?

Posted by: X-ray at August 19, 2017 09:34 PM (zoSd2)

363 "Titanic" is one of the worst Best Picture films I can think of.

Beat out one of the best not to win it. "L.A. Confidential".

Posted by: tu3031 at August 19, 2017 09:34 PM (O5Q3r)

364 "Titanic" is one of the worst Best Picture films I can think of.
Posted by: josephistan at August 19, 2017 09:32 PM (ANIFC)

Yep. I can understand set design and costumes but best picture? The movie sucked ass.
Posted by: Insomniac

But it gave us the Plinkett review of Titanic, so I'd say "worth it".

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at August 19, 2017 09:35 PM (+ytNp)

365 347 "is that the nicole kidman one?"

yes.

all of the threads are brought together and the characters dilemma explained, but also their futures. where they couldn't live with ghosts, their future was to learn to exist with the living.

a very humane ghost story.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at August 19, 2017 09:35 PM (AxFdW)

366 The Enterprise finale was less of an episode and more like ... retaliation.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at August 19, 2017 09:27 PM (2wRtc)

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The fans certainly felt that way. It was enough that they retconned the most...objectionable...part of the finale in the canonical continuation books.

Posted by: Jackal at August 19, 2017 09:35 PM (o3+fQ)

367 Because 12 - 20 year old girls were all swooning over DiCaprio.

Posted by: buzzion


Decaprio is an ursiphobe and a homophobe. What do those girls got that I ain't got?

Posted by: the Bear at August 19, 2017 09:35 PM (/qEW2)

368 361 Enterprise had promise, I liked the crew, I like Bakula. But the time travel crap was awful and that intro made me want to change the channel every time. All wrong for Star Trek.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 19, 2017 09:34 PM (39g3+)

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What I find flabbergasting is that they STARTED with time travel.

They couldn't let the show be its own thing from the start. They had to give them an in to the future.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at August 19, 2017 09:35 PM (Jj43a)

369 If hasn't been mentioned comrade detective (Netflix Original) is in the same vein as airplane and naked gun. When the Comrade detective had to deal with smuggling of jeans into Romania I had to explain to my nephew why you needed to smuggle jeans into communist countries

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at August 19, 2017 09:35 PM (dKiJG)

370 So I see one of the cop killers in Florida is a black muslim whitie/Cop hater.

I am sure the MSM will run with that right?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 19, 2017 09:36 PM (zD0a9)

371 Titanic was fun. And seeing Kate Winslet's left tit was nice too.


Posted by: JAS at August 19, 2017 09:36 PM (UnDQI)

372 Don't bogart the whole jackpot dude, lets split the win.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at August 19, 2017 09:36 PM (28bqZ)

373 Actually, for me, the worst best picture film is The English Patient.

I fucking hated that film.

Fargo and Shine were far, far better films and should have won over that piece of shit.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 19, 2017 09:36 PM (9A6UB)

374 Philadelphia is a foreign country?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone



Yes

Posted by: The Rest of Pennsylvania at August 19, 2017 09:36 PM (A+lP4)

375 Again. Ahem.
Posted by: Batman?

-
I remember seeing a Munsters movie as a kid, too.

Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 19, 2017 09:37 PM (Nwg0u)

376 374 Philadelphia is a foreign country?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone


Yes

Posted by: The Rest of Pennsylvania at August 19, 2017 09:36 PM (A+lP4)

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Ha!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at August 19, 2017 09:37 PM (Jj43a)

377 I saw Titanic in the theatre and when it ended, I swear I could hear people literally sobbing all over the room. Now I keep hearing people say it sucked, but Cameron must have done something right to get an emotional reaction like that.

I preferred A Nigut to Remember, though. Almost everything in it came from eyewitness accounts.

Posted by: Toad-O at August 19, 2017 09:37 PM (cct0t)

378 It's become fashionable to hate Titanic, but I still love it.


Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at August 19, 2017 09:33 PM


Try watching it from Billy Zane's POV... Zane as the protagonist, DiCaprio and Winslet as the antagonists. It's a completely different movie.

Posted by: otho at August 19, 2017 09:37 PM (qGuLD)

379 Tell you what. If I win, I'm going to have "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" made into a movie. And you guys can help me.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert


Ooh! Ooh! Can I be the gaffer? I always wanted to be a gaffer.

(Gaffer? What's a gaffer?)

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at August 19, 2017 09:38 PM (S6Pax)

380 368 361 Enterprise had promise, I liked the crew, I like Bakula. But the time travel crap was awful and that intro made me want to change the channel every time. All wrong for Star Trek.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 19, 2017 09:34 PM (39g3+)

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What I find flabbergasting is that they STARTED with time travel.

They couldn't let the show be its own thing from the start. They had to give them an in to the future.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at August 19, 2017 09:35 PM (Jj43a)

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That's Berman and Braga for you, they looves them some time travel!

Posted by: Jackal at August 19, 2017 09:38 PM (o3+fQ)

381 Actually, for me, the worst best picture film is The English Patient.
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"Die like English Patient! Long, slow, boring death!"

Posted by: Kahn Souphanousinphone at August 19, 2017 09:38 PM (ANIFC)

382 Never seen Titanic, but its not the kind of movie I really like.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 19, 2017 09:39 PM (39g3+)

383 So, they moved the prop House from the new movie ...IT.... to Hollywood and Vine and opened up a haunted house thing. Ohhhh I'm scared.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at August 19, 2017 09:39 PM (6Ll1u)

384 "Don't bogart the whole jackpot dude, lets split the win.


Posted by: Anna Puma"

Well, you're gonna have to pony up for half the movie costs then...

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at August 19, 2017 09:39 PM (w+Jhj)

385 I have a soft spot for Titanic because that is the last film I saw with my mom before she died.

And it was a well executed and edited film.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 19, 2017 09:39 PM (9A6UB)

386 Because Denise Crosby realized she made a huge mistake leaving the show and wanted something resembling a regular paycheck by portraying her own daughter.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at August 19, 2017 09:26 PM (Jj43a)
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I thought she was fired for posing in Playboy? It was against her contract or something.

Posted by: Gorilla Gumdrop at August 19, 2017 09:39 PM (Y1iuP)

387 359:It's become fashionable to hate Titanic, but I still love it.


Oh, its not a fashion. I hated Titanic when I first saw it. Time hasn't changed my hatred for that horrible movie. I would say it sucks but that would offend things that truly suck. Titanic is beyond suck.

Posted by: Puddleglum at August 19, 2017 09:40 PM (A+lP4)

388 I would have to look up the Oscar winners but there is a lot of losers there

Posted by: Skip at August 19, 2017 09:40 PM (pPKG5)

389
Tell you what. If I win, I'm going to have "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" made into a movie.

Today's Hollywood would populate the Moon with SJWs.
Probably refugees from California who hate the USA.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 19, 2017 09:40 PM (IqV8l)

390 "Ooh! Ooh! Can I be the gaffer? I always wanted to be a gaffer.



(Gaffer? What's a gaffer?)

Posted by: Bozo Conservative"


Or a Key Grip.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at August 19, 2017 09:40 PM (w+Jhj)

391 377 I saw Titanic in the theatre and when it ended, I swear I could hear people literally sobbing all over the room. Now I keep hearing people say it sucked, but Cameron must have done something right to get an emotional reaction like that.

The theaters were packed with tweenage girls and soccer moms. Low hanging fruit for tear-jerking.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 19, 2017 09:40 PM (0mRoj)

392 Ever since Lee Marvin got an Oscar for "Cat Ballou", I determined it was all bullshit.


Posted by: JAS at August 19, 2017 09:40 PM (UnDQI)

393 386 I thought she was fired for posing in Playboy? It was against her contract or something.
Posted by: Gorilla Gumdrop at August 19, 2017 09:39 PM (Y1iuP)

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From what I've heard, she quit. She didn't like how she had virtually nothing to do on the show.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at August 19, 2017 09:41 PM (Jj43a)

394 @369 If hasn't been mentioned comrade detective (Netflix Original) is in the same vein as airplane and naked gun. When the Comrade detective had to deal with smuggling of jeans into Romania I had to explain to my nephew why you needed to smuggle jeans into communist countries
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Thought that was Amazon Prime?

The mention of smuggled blue jeans reminds me of the video game series "No One Lives Forever". It was a parody of the 60s spy film genre, mixed with gender biases (the protagonist is a woman). During the second game, you get the chance to read messages between a Soviet soldier and his girlfriend. For a while it appears that the blue jeans he's smuggled into the USSR will be enough for her to overlook the physical abuse he's subjected her to (one of the messages has her downplaying the black eye he gave her, among other things)... right up until you read the final message and realize she got both the jeans and her revenge by reporting him (for something else she got him to do) to his commanding officer.

Posted by: junior at August 19, 2017 09:41 PM (Q6qiA)

395 The English Patient is currently playing on all screens at the multiplex in He'll.

Posted by: Toad-O at August 19, 2017 09:41 PM (cct0t)

396 Best boy is my favorite

Posted by: Skip at August 19, 2017 09:42 PM (pPKG5)

397 Cameron's Titanic is more like Romeo and Juliet Set Sail and Juliet lives.

If one looks at the whole class warfare aspect of Cameron's version in a jaundiced light instead of feuding Italian families one might just start thinking about Goebbel's Titanic movie.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at August 19, 2017 09:42 PM (28bqZ)

398 "Today's Hollywood would populate the Moon with SJWs.

Probably refugees from California who hate the USA.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr."

Oh no. I pay for it, it gets made just like the book (with some minimal changes).

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at August 19, 2017 09:42 PM (w+Jhj)

399
Tell you what. If I win, I'm going to have "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" made into a movie.

--------

Need someone to play the moon?

Posted by: Hope Solo at August 19, 2017 09:42 PM (ANIFC)

400
"Ooh! Ooh! Can I be the gaffer? I always wanted to be a gaffer.
(Gaffer? What's a gaffer?)


A guy who makes a lot of mistakes.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 19, 2017 09:42 PM (IqV8l)

401
359 354 "Titanic" is one of the worst Best Picture films I can think of.
Posted by: josephistan at August 19, 2017 09:32 PM (ANIFC)

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It's become fashionable to hate Titanic, but I still love it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at August 19, 2017 09:33 PM (Jj43a)



I hated it from the start. Hearing my sister's talking about it all the time. The little tantrum that was thrown because DiCaprio didn't get a Best Actor nomination.

It was the film version of a boy band.

Posted by: buzzion at August 19, 2017 09:42 PM (cAnNx)

402 The English Patient is currently playing on all screens at the multiplex in He'll.

It's a double feature with "American Beauty".

Posted by: tu3031 at August 19, 2017 09:42 PM (O5Q3r)

403 396 Best boy is my favorite
Posted by: Skip at August 19, 2017 09:42 PM (pPKG5)

Mine too.

Posted by: Harry Reid at August 19, 2017 09:43 PM (ANIFC)

404 @377 I saw Titanic in the theatre and when it ended, I swear I could hear people literally sobbing all over the room. Now I keep hearing people say it sucked, but Cameron must have done something right to get an emotional reaction like that.
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Never saw it myself, but I knew people who went to go see it multiple times. So yeah, Cameron did something right.

Plus, the Whitney Houston song from the movie was on the radio *forever*. I got so sick of hearing it play over the store loudspeakers.

Posted by: junior at August 19, 2017 09:43 PM (Q6qiA)

405 Honestly Titanic was powerful from all the background. The "heros" actually distracted from it.

You know that "love affair" would have lasted all of two weeks had Jackblived.

Posted by: MAGA at August 19, 2017 09:44 PM (Tyk2V)

406 I like the ending of the movie "The Hospital", where George C Scott sends Diana Rigg off to Mexico with her murdering and demented father. "Barbara, somebody's got to be responsible". That and the administrator saying to Scott at the very end as they go back into the hospital, "it's like pissing in the wind, Herb". Great movie and those in the medical biz love it.

Posted by: MichiCanuck at August 19, 2017 09:44 PM (y9C7q)

407 The English Patient is currently playing on all screens at the multiplex in He'll.

It's a double feature with "American Beauty".
Posted by: tu3031

I thought "The English Patient" was okay, but certainly not Best Picture material. What a travesty.

"American Beauty", on the other hand was a really weird and ugly movie.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at August 19, 2017 09:44 PM (S6Pax)

408 Oh yes! Giving the customers what they want is low-brow.

For the longest time, I thought that it was insane for the old lady to throw the jewel into the ocean. She should have given it to the guy who found all the ship.

But then I realized that the jewel was insured. The asshole had collected the insurance. The jewel at that point belonged to the insurance company. She should have mailed it to them decades earlier.


Posted by: JAS at August 19, 2017 09:44 PM (UnDQI)

409 "Ooh! Ooh! Can I be the gaffer? I always wanted to be a gaffer.
(Gaffer? What's a gaffer?)

A guy who makes a lot of mistakes.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.

WHAT ABOUT YOUR GAAAAAAAFES

Posted by: Fake News Media c. 2012 at August 19, 2017 09:44 PM (+ytNp)

410 I just like the title of Best boy, I bet lots of actors liked the boys

Posted by: Skip at August 19, 2017 09:44 PM (pPKG5)

411 That was Celine Dion who's heart would go on forever... and ever ... and ever

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at August 19, 2017 09:44 PM (28bqZ)

412 While I don't pretend to be a legitimate member of this AofSpHq Nazi regime I do admire your worship of Cats and await the final solution AKA APT PUPIL

Posted by: Voter Dude at August 19, 2017 09:45 PM (U5Xeq)

413 I liked and still like Titanic.


Of course, my taste in movies is suspect.



I like a lot of movies people hate.

Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityProd (tm) at August 19, 2017 09:45 PM (/o9Qk)

414 Titanic was really long and not the genre I tend to enjoy. I get that lots of people enjoyed it. That's why theaters have more than one screen.

Posted by: X-ray at August 19, 2017 09:45 PM (zoSd2)

415 @393 From what I've heard, she quit. She didn't like how she had virtually nothing to do on the show.
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Understandable. But also somewhat ironic because her departure meant that Michael Dorn finally had something to do as Worf.

I'd guess that the real problem was that they should have only cast either Denise Crosby, or Michael Dorn, instead of both.

Posted by: junior at August 19, 2017 09:45 PM (Q6qiA)

416 Plus, the Whitney Houston song from the movie was on the radio *forever*. I got so sick of hearing it play over the store loudspeakers.


Posted by: junior at August 19, 2017 09:43 PM


Celine Dion. I hated that song from overplaying, but listening to it today, with enough distance, it's actually a fantastic pop song. Superbly crafted.

Posted by: otho at August 19, 2017 09:45 PM (qGuLD)

417 That and the administrator saying to Scott at the very end as they go back into the hospital, "it's like pissing in the wind, Herb". Great movie and those in the medical biz love it.
Posted by: MichiCanuck

"The Hospital", screenplay by the brilliant Paddy Chayevsky.
Yes, a really good movie, black satire.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at August 19, 2017 09:46 PM (S6Pax)

418 394 @369 If hasn't been mentioned comrade detective (Netflix Original) is in the same vein as airplane and naked gun. When the Comrade detective had to deal with smuggling of jeans into Romania I had to explain to my nephew why you needed to smuggle jeans into communist countries
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Thought that was Amazon Prime?

The mention of smuggled blue jeans reminds me of the video game series "No One Lives Forever". It was a parody of the 60s spy film genre, mixed with gender biases (the protagonist is a woman). During the second game, you get the chance to read messages between a Soviet soldier and his girlfriend. For a while it appears that the blue jeans he's smuggled into the USSR will be enough for her to overlook the physical abuse he's subjected her to (one of the messages has her downplaying the black eye he gave her, among other things)... right up until you read the final message and realize she got both the jeans and her revenge by reporting him (for something else she got him to do) to his commanding officer.
Posted by: junior at August 19, 2017 09:41 PM (Q6qiA)

Yes you're right, comrade detective is Amazon prime. It's funny as heck but I thought it was really funny having explain why they couldn't get blue jeans and I love the running joke of everything is the best thing ever. We have the best health care in the world and you have everything you would ever wanted why do you need bluejeans.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at August 19, 2017 09:46 PM (dKiJG)

419 340 Kevin Costner was in a film where he plays a serial killer with a family. William Hurt was the 'voice' in his head.

'Mr. Brooks'. Underrated flick.
Posted by: Puddleglum at August 19, 2017 09:28 PM (A+lP4)
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That movie was under-rated. Very creepy. I often think Hollywood doesn't know what to do with a movie that doesn't "fit" a certain formula. Same with the audience...esp. with the audience. Dane Cook & Demi Moore were also in it, IIRC.

Posted by: Gorilla Gumdrop at August 19, 2017 09:47 PM (Y1iuP)

420 I want to be fake shep.

Posted by: Shep Smith at August 19, 2017 09:47 PM (/qEW2)

421 402 "it's a double feature with 'american beauty'".

gold star comment! :-D

(i hated the cheap anti-americanism of "american beauty".)

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at August 19, 2017 09:47 PM (AxFdW)

422 I actually like Titanic. Wasn't a great classic, or anything, but the portion after the ship met the iceberg was genuinely harrowing. Leo is tedious, Billy Zane was simply a thinly-drawn character, but there were plenty of very powerful moments.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at August 19, 2017 09:47 PM (v3I5m)

423 Need someone to play the moon?

Posted by: Hope Solo at August 19, 2017 09:42 PM


I got this

Posted by: Brian Dennehey at August 19, 2017 09:47 PM (KCxzN)

424 Evening all.

Posted by: Country Boy at August 19, 2017 09:47 PM (Z0uHT)

425 So Shep Smith is a bad skin job? A Nexus Five?

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at August 19, 2017 09:47 PM (28bqZ)

426 Plus, the Whitney Houston song from the movie was on the radio *forever*. I got so sick of hearing it play over the store loudspeakers.
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You're thinking of "Iiiiiiiiiiiii-E-iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii Will Always Love Youuuuuuuuuuuuu-ooooooooooooo" from "The Bodyguard"

Posted by: josephistan at August 19, 2017 09:47 PM (ANIFC)

427 Do androids dream of electric sheep?


Posted by: JAS at August 19, 2017 09:48 PM (UnDQI)

428 Good ending in "Charlie Varrick"

Posted by: smilin jack at August 19, 2017 09:48 PM (HGTCB)

429 386 Because Denise Crosby realized she made a huge mistake leaving the show and wanted something resembling a regular paycheck by portraying her own daughter.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at August 19, 2017 09:26 PM (Jj43a)
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I thought she was fired for posing in Playboy? It was against her contract or something.

Posted by: Gorilla Gumdrop at August 19, 2017 09:39 PM (Y1iuP)

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Her Playboy pictorial was in 1979, well before she appeared in Star trek. She wasn't fired, she quit. She felt her character was turning into window dressing, so she left.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 19, 2017 09:49 PM (pvjTE)

430 "Jack, I'll never let you go!"
*hogs the flotsam*
*pushes Jack into the icy depths*

Posted by: Insomniac at August 19, 2017 09:49 PM (0mRoj)

431 @426
You're thinking of "Iiiiiiiiiiiii-E-iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii Will Always Love Youuuuuuuuuuuuu-ooooooooooooo" from "The Bodyguard"
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Nah. I'm thinking of "My Heart Will Go On", which as others have pointed out already, was really written by Celine Dion.

What can I say. It was a long time ago. And something that I've tried (but apparently failed) to exorcise from my mind.

Posted by: junior at August 19, 2017 09:50 PM (Q6qiA)

432 The English Patient is currently playing on all screens at the multiplex in He'll.

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And the snack bar has only Circus Peanuts.

Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 19, 2017 09:50 PM (Nwg0u)

433 Do androids dream of electric sheep?


Posted by: JAS

"Blade Runner" was on cable last night, and they showed several different versions, in sequence. Who would sit at home through that?

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at August 19, 2017 09:50 PM (S6Pax)

434
Her Playboy pictorial was in 1979, well before she appeared in Star trek. She wasn't fired, she quit. She felt her character was turning into window dressing, so she left.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 19, 2017 09:49 PM


What did she do after that?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 19, 2017 09:51 PM (IqV8l)

435 C'mon. We let you fuck the android. You are in the history books now.

Posted by: JAS at August 19, 2017 09:51 PM (UnDQI)

436 Do androids dream of electric sheep?


Posted by: JAS

Do mohammedan androids dream of electric goats?

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at August 19, 2017 09:51 PM (+ytNp)

437 I liked Titanic, but have never felt the need to see it a second time. Ditto for Avatar, although I remember thinking a few times, "Jeez, how much longer can this go on".

But I've seen A Night to Remember at least 5 times, and probably will again.

Posted by: Toad-O at August 19, 2017 09:51 PM (cct0t)

438 433
"Blade Runner" was on cable last night, and they showed several different versions, in sequence. Who would sit at home through that?
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at August 19, 2017 09:50 PM (S6Pax)

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Wait... You haven't?!?!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at August 19, 2017 09:51 PM (Jj43a)

439 And the snack bar has only Circus Peanuts.

...and Fresca.

Posted by: tu3031 at August 19, 2017 09:51 PM (O5Q3r)

440 "Jack, I'll never let you go!"

*hogs the flotsam*

*pushes Jack into the icy depths*

Posted by: Insomniac at August 19, 2017 09:49 PM (0mRoj)

I just missed out on that role in the movie.

Posted by: Jetsam at August 19, 2017 09:51 PM (zoSd2)

441 There is an interesting type of ending I've seen more and more lately: it's where someone has some implausible religious or supernatural beliefs that have a big reveal at the end to be true. This can be done like a horror movie, but it often isn't. Whale Rider, for example, has the main character live out the myth of how their ancestor came to New Zealand, indicating that there is some supernatural reality to their tribal beliefs. It's a beautiful film and a beautiful ending.

Posted by: Jim S. at August 19, 2017 09:52 PM (ynUnH)

442 The book was far better than the film.


Posted by: Zombie Philip K. Dick at August 19, 2017 09:52 PM (UnDQI)

443 She wasn't fired, she quit. She felt her character was turning into window dressing, so she left.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous



The only thing I've seen Denise Post STG was The Walking Dead where she was suitably creepy as the matriarch of a bunch of cannibals. Other wise she kind of disappeared.

Posted by: Puddleglum at August 19, 2017 09:52 PM (A+lP4)

444 @433 "Blade Runner" was on cable last night, and they showed several different versions, in sequence. Who would sit at home through that?
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The sequel's due out in early October. Since Scott has openly claimed that Deckard is a replicant, I'm wondering if he's going to make it explicit in the sequel.

Posted by: junior at August 19, 2017 09:52 PM (Q6qiA)

445 Blade Runner versions?

Work Print, Original US release, International release, Director's cut, and finally The Final Cut.

"Ne Uni, why are they getting a funny little gizmo out of a briefcase?"

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at August 19, 2017 09:53 PM (28bqZ)

446 443 She wasn't fired, she quit. She felt her character was turning into window dressing, so she left.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous


The only thing I've seen Denise Post STG was The Walking Dead where she was suitably creepy as the matriarch of a bunch of cannibals. Other wise she kind of disappeared.

Posted by: Puddleglum at August 19, 2017 09:52 PM (A+lP4



She had a part in The Adventures of Brisco County Jr.

Posted by: buzzion at August 19, 2017 09:53 PM (cAnNx)

447 Who wants to discuss the French New Wave?

Is "Weekend" by Goddard one? I saw it in a theater in Toronto in 1969 but can't remember anything except miles of traffic jam IIRC.

Posted by: geoffb5 at August 19, 2017 09:54 PM (zOpu5)

448 446
She had a part in The Adventures of Brisco County Jr.
Posted by: buzzion at August 19, 2017 09:53 PM (cAnNx)

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A part and film for the ages.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at August 19, 2017 09:54 PM (Jj43a)

449 You're thinking of "Iiiiiiiiiiiii-E-iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii Will Always Love Youuuuuuuuuuuuu-ooooooooooooo" from "The Bodyguard"
Posted by: josephistan at August 19, 2017 09:47 PM (ANIFC)

Dolly Parton wrote it and sang it better. She loved that version because every time she sang it $$.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at August 19, 2017 09:54 PM (dKiJG)

450 TITANIC TITANIC !!! I blame George Clooney..

Posted by: Voter Dude at August 19, 2017 09:54 PM (U5Xeq)

451 438 433
"Blade Runner" was on cable last night, and they showed several different versions, in sequence. Who would sit at home through that?
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at August 19, 2017 09:50 PM (S6Pax)

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Wait... You haven't?!?!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone



{looks over at Bladerunner box set with 4 versions in it and slowly raises hand.}

I APOLOGIZE FOR NOTHING!!!

Posted by: Puddleglum at August 19, 2017 09:54 PM (A+lP4)

452 The book was far better than the film.


Posted by: Zombie Philip K. Dick

The book was slow, tedious and weird, and really nothing like the movie. In the book, the Earth had actually become de-populated, as much of the population had emigrated to colony worlds. Ruled by an authoratarian dictatorship.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at August 19, 2017 09:55 PM (S6Pax)

453 There is an interesting type of ending I've seen more and more lately: it's where someone has some implausible religious or supernatural beliefs that have a big reveal at the end to be true. This can be done like a horror movie, but it often isn't.

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Frailty

Posted by: josephistan at August 19, 2017 09:55 PM (ANIFC)

454 426 Plus, the Whitney Houston song from the movie was on the radio *forever*. I got so sick of hearing it play over the store loudspeakers.
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You're thinking of "Iiiiiiiiiiiii-E-iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii Will Always Love Youuuuuuuuuuuuu-ooooooooooooo" from "The Bodyguard"
Posted by: josephistan at August 19, 2017 09:47 PM (ANIFC)

Dolly Parton made a fortune.

Posted by: Jack Sock at August 19, 2017 09:55 PM (LuKE7)

455 I like a lot of movies people hate.

Posted by: @DangerGirl
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I liked "Congo."

Posted by: FireHorse at August 19, 2017 09:55 PM (zkGZ8)

456 Tasha Yar was window dressing. Just ask Grace Lee Whitney.


Posted by: JAS at August 19, 2017 09:55 PM (UnDQI)

457 He's a leftist idiot, but Cameron is a terrific film maker, you gotta give him that. He's excellent at his craft.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 19, 2017 09:55 PM (39g3+)

458 451

{looks over at Bladerunner box set with 4 versions in it and slowly raises hand.}

I APOLOGIZE FOR NOTHING!!!
Posted by: Puddleglum at August 19, 2017 09:54 PM (A+lP4)

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Do you have the briefcase? I have the briefcase.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at August 19, 2017 09:55 PM (Jj43a)

459 "Blade Runner" was on cable last night, and they showed several different versions, in sequence. Who would sit at home through that?
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at August 19, 2017 09:50 PM (S6Pax)

Someone like me who sucks and has no life.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 19, 2017 09:55 PM (0mRoj)

460 I like "Mars Attacks!"


Posted by: JAS at August 19, 2017 09:56 PM (UnDQI)

461 {looks over at Bladerunner box set with 4 versions in it and slowly raises hand.}

I APOLOGIZE FOR NOTHING!!!
Posted by: Puddleglum

I can understand the interest, but just sitting through 4 versions in one sitting, late at night, on cable?

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at August 19, 2017 09:56 PM (S6Pax)

462 457 He's a leftist idiot, but Cameron is a terrific film maker, you gotta give him that. He's excellent at his craft.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 19, 2017 09:55 PM (39g3+)

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Amazing what happens when you have a basic understanding of character and story structure.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at August 19, 2017 09:57 PM (Jj43a)

463
What did she do after that?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 19, 2017 09:51 PM (IqV8l)

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The only thing I ever saw outside of Star Trek was the Trekkies documentary she did.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 19, 2017 09:57 PM (pvjTE)

464 460 I like "Mars Attacks!"




Posted by: JAS at August 19, 2017 09:56 PM (UnDQI)



They blew up Congress.

Posted by: buzzion at August 19, 2017 09:57 PM (cAnNx)

465 So TJM has the plastic origami unicorn in silver.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at August 19, 2017 09:57 PM (28bqZ)

466 OT: JUST IN CASE ANYONE MISSED THIS TODAY

http://tinyurl.com/y9k655ke

Posted by: bergerbilder at August 19, 2017 09:57 PM (lIZQs)

467 460 I like "Mars Attacks!"


Posted by: JAS at August 19, 2017 09:56 PM (UnDQI)

Slim Whitman was the true hero of that film.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 19, 2017 09:57 PM (0mRoj)

468 ...had actually become de-populated, as much of the population had emigrated to colony worlds. Ruled by an authoritarian dictatorship....

so...like Detroit, then?

Posted by: AltonJackson at August 19, 2017 09:57 PM (KCxzN)

469 I saw "Vertigo" at the Alamo Theater last week. It was the first time I'd ever seen it on the big screen. Absolutely stunning movie. Marvelous.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at August 19, 2017 09:57 PM (AZD0r)

470 465 So TJM has the plastic origami unicorn in silver.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at August 19, 2017 09:57 PM (28bqZ)

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I do. Dolley makes me keep it in the case though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at August 19, 2017 09:58 PM (Jj43a)

471 Blade Runner is on my short list of films better than the books they were made from. Phillip K Dick was a terrific idea guy but not so great at fleshing it out into a full story.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 19, 2017 09:58 PM (39g3+)

472 439 will go down as the last communication of mankind.....

Posted by: Voter Dude at August 19, 2017 09:58 PM (U5Xeq)

473 I thought Red Letter Media did an excellent and well balanced review of Titanic.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at August 19, 2017 09:58 PM (dKiJG)

474 I like "Mars Attacks!"
Posted by: JAS at August 19, 2017 09:56 PM (UnDQI)
They blew up Congress.
Posted by: buzzion at August 19, 2017 09:57 PM (cAnNx)


Sure sounds like a must see movie!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 19, 2017 09:58 PM (gwPgz)

475 She had a part in The Adventures of Brisco County Jr.


Oh yea, forgot about that. Bruce Campbell rules!!! Also, Billy Drago being all over the top villainous as only he can be!

Posted by: Puddleglum at August 19, 2017 09:59 PM (A+lP4)

476 I like "Mars Attacks!"


Posted by: JAS at August 19, 2017 09:56 PM (UnDQI)


I yoosta thought I did, but I watched it a couple months ago, and thought, "jeebus, that was awful."

Whereas Edward Scissorhands was pretty good.

But my favorite Tim Burton movie by far is Big fish.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at August 19, 2017 09:59 PM (v3I5m)

477 Oh, I forgot. We don't compare films to books here. We are supposed to ask the question "Did the Filmmaker succeed in what they were trying to do?"


Posted by: JAS at August 19, 2017 09:59 PM (UnDQI)

478 @434 What did she do after that?
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A glance at her Wikipedia page suggests that the most notable thing she did post-TNG was appear in a dozen episodes of 'Ray Donovan'.

Posted by: junior at August 19, 2017 09:59 PM (Q6qiA)

479 459 "Blade Runner" was on cable last night, and they showed several different versions, in sequence. Who would sit at home through that?
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....menace to society at August 19, 2017 09:50 PM (S6Pax)

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I would totally sit thru Blade Runner...still love that movie. Can't wait for new one.

AND

Billy Zane made me think of "Dead Calm".
Also with Kidman & Sam (?) Australian Actor guy. That is a good movie.

Posted by: Gorilla Gumdrop at August 19, 2017 10:00 PM (Y1iuP)

480 Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes had it end with an ape statue instead of Lincoln statue in the memorial. I didn't know Burton was Antifa.

Posted by: Jack Sock at August 19, 2017 10:00 PM (LuKE7)

481 Great movie ending: Underground (1941). Philip Dorn ascends the stairs to the guillotine and hears a coded message from his brother, who he thinks betrayed him to the Gestapo. The brother (Jeffrey Lynn) swore he knew his brother was guilty after being convinced to do so by the sultry Mona Maris. The brother told Dorn's character to his beaten and bloody face his betrayal was intentional, "you chose your path and I chose mine". In the message was a Shakespeare quote their father made them memorize as children so Dorn goes to his death smiling, now knowing his brother will continue his work, now made "above suspicion" to his Gestapo boss, masterfully played by the reptilian Martin Koslek. The cast is seeded with German expats who show up throughout "40s movies. I always mist up at the end.

Posted by: 1921 C DRUM at August 19, 2017 10:00 PM (h7sWp)

482 Maybe for opening day of Blade Runner 2049 everyone should bring their silver gray briefcases.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at August 19, 2017 10:00 PM (28bqZ)

483 I like Hitchcock's work but I suspect they are at their best in a dark movie theater on the big screen. They lose something on TV, I think. Something about being trapped in a room and unable to change channels, no distractions.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 19, 2017 10:00 PM (39g3+)

484 476
But my favorite Tim Burton movie by far is Big fish.
Posted by: Pug Mahon at August 19, 2017 09:59 PM (v3I5m)

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I totally get that, but because I'm such an awful person I prefer Sweeney Todd.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at August 19, 2017 10:00 PM (Jj43a)

485 377
....I preferred A Nigut to Remember, though. Almost everything in it came from eyewitness accounts.
Posted by: Toad-O at August 19, 2017 09:37 PM (cct0t)
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Loved that movie --- and hated Titanic.
All of the fancy, meticulous sets of Titanic could not match the chilling effect of simple black-and-white.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 19, 2017 10:01 PM (0jtPF)

486 466 OT

SONOFABITCH!

6 Republicans May Have Taken Payments From Clinton Team To Damage Trump (New Wiki Leak)

Posted by: Toad-O at August 19, 2017 10:01 PM (cct0t)

487 Phillip K. Dick was a druggie. I once read a story he wrote about a guy going to Mars, "like John Carter" by dropping a pill.


Posted by: JAS at August 19, 2017 10:02 PM (UnDQI)

488 Do you have the briefcase? I have the briefcase.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone



Nah, I'm not that big a nerd. ;-) Just have the "book" with 4 DVDs in it. I won't say how many times I've obsessively watched it. Love BladeRunner. Its in my top 5 favorite movies ever. It moves around a bit but always in the top 5.

Posted by: Puddleglum at August 19, 2017 10:02 PM (A+lP4)

489 460 I like "Mars Attacks!"


Posted by: JAS at August 19, 2017 09:56 PM (UnDQI)

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Talk about your great endings! Tom Jones belting out It's Not Unusual nicely tied everything up.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 19, 2017 10:03 PM (FUu/Z)

490 I prefer Sweeney Todd.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at August 19, 2017 10:00 PM (Jj43a)

Yes, that was a very good movie.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at August 19, 2017 10:03 PM (v3I5m)

491 One of the weird trivia bits about A Night to Remember was they used without crediting it footage from Goebbel's WWII propaganda film about the sinking of Titanic. Mainly down below shots of the water rushing in.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at August 19, 2017 10:04 PM (28bqZ)

492
486 466 OT

SONOFABITCH!

6 Republicans May Have Taken Payments From Clinton Team To Damage Trump (New Wiki Leak)

Posted by: Toad-O at August 19, 2017 10:01 PM (cct0t)



Two ways to look at that.

1) Only 6?

2) The Clintons sure are stupid to pay people what they would obviously do for free.

Posted by: buzzion at August 19, 2017 10:04 PM (cAnNx)

493 Speaking of Hitchcock, "The Birds" was on TCM last night. After all these years, I sat through the whole thing.

Tippi Hedrin was nice looking, well dressed. But didn't seem to be all there.


Posted by: JAS at August 19, 2017 10:04 PM (UnDQI)

494 483 I like Hitchcock's work but I suspect they are at their best in a dark movie theater on the big screen. They lose something on TV, I think. Something about being trapped in a room and unable to change channels, no distractions.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 19, 2017 10:00 PM (39g3+)

I would agree that they definitely have more impact in a theater. The cinematography in them is beautiful.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at August 19, 2017 10:04 PM (AZD0r)

495 Michael Kane blowz.. He gave Chris Reeves a high hearty wet kiss in on a scene from kiss my hairy balls (actually I forget the movie name but trust me) It was a wet one.. RIP Supermen WOC (with out Christ)

Posted by: Voter Dude at August 19, 2017 10:04 PM (U5Xeq)

496 "Talk about your great endings! Tom Jones belting out It's Not Unusual nicely tied everything up.



Posted by: Anon Y. Mous"

That was a great bit.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at August 19, 2017 10:05 PM (w+Jhj)

497
I liked "Congo."

Posted by: FireHorse at August 19, 2017 09:55 PM (zkGZ


Me too.
*stands next to new best movie friend*

Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityProd (tm) at August 19, 2017 10:05 PM (/o9Qk)

498 One of the weird trivia bits about A Night to Remember was they used without crediting it footage from Goebbel's WWII propaganda film about the sinking of Titanic. Mainly down below shots of the water rushing in.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) a

Did Goebbels blame Jews for the sinking of the Titanic, because that would make the old joke about the Jew and the Chinaman come to life.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at August 19, 2017 10:06 PM (+ytNp)

499 6 Republicans May Have Taken Payments From Clinton Team To Damage Trump (New Wiki Leak)

Posted by: Toad-O at August 19, 2017 10:01 PM (cct0t)

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you to here that there is corruption going on in the Republican Party!

Posted by: Caotain Louis Renault at August 19, 2017 10:06 PM (gwPgz)

500 OT, but there's a movie involved. This is a tweet-storm by Thomas Wictor on how PDT suckered the Democrats. Again. Read and enjoy:

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(1) Witness for the Prosecution

(3) What @realDonaldTrump did to the Democrats is what Charles Laughton did to Marlene Dietrich in "Witness for the Prosecution."

(4) In "Witness for the Prosecution," Laughton--a barrister--receives incriminating letters written by Dietrich.

(5) In court, he begins reading one.

"I didn't write that!" she shouts. "I use small blue stationary!"

(6) Laughton lifts a folder to reveal a pile of letters written on small blue stationary.

"Like these?" he asks

(7) "I was reading a bill from my tailor for a fine pair of Bermuda
shorts. Thank you for confirming the authenticity of your letters."

( Trump did the same thing to the Democrats.

(9) By blaming both sides at Charlottesville, he made the Democrats automatically and brainlessly defend Antifa.

(10) Now, the entire leftist political establishment is defending Antifa. My guess is 99 percent of them know nothing about Antifa.

(11) But like Charles Laughton, Trump tricked the Democrats into admitting authorship of Antifa.

(12) Most Americans immediately began researching Antifa.

This is what they found: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj5X_sHtdVY

(13) Thank you for confirming the authenticity of your support for mayhem, Democrats...

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader at August 19, 2017 10:06 PM (HYE3N)

501 Tom Jones belting out It's Not Unusual

Okay. I admit it. I loved that part.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at August 19, 2017 10:06 PM (v3I5m)

502 434
Her Playboy pictorial was in 1979, well before she appeared in Star trek. She wasn't fired, she quit. She felt her character was turning into window dressing, so she left.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 19, 2017 09:49 PM

Playboy republished her pics in 1988 without her permission, which is how it became a a reason for her being fired. She was not happy about it. But yes, she quit.

Posted by: Gorilla Gumdrop at August 19, 2017 10:06 PM (Y1iuP)

503 Slim Whitman's music! It is a modern take on H.G. Wells bacteria.


Posted by: JAS at August 19, 2017 10:07 PM (UnDQI)

504 453
Frailty


That's the movie I was thinking of on the horror side of that pattern. Another interesting one was Identity (spoiler alert) where the big reveal is that all the people in the hotel are the multiple personalities of a serial killer.

Posted by: Jim S. at August 19, 2017 10:07 PM (ynUnH)

505 487: PKD had mental illness problems and was trying to self medicate. It didn't go well. Plus, they didn't know now about mental illness back in PKD's day. Always had a soft spot for poor ole PKD. I've seen what mental illness can do to people. It sucks.

Posted by: Puddleglum at August 19, 2017 10:07 PM (A+lP4)

506 ONT is up. NAACP calling for NFL boycotts. Kitteh!

Posted by: FireHorse at August 19, 2017 10:08 PM (zkGZ8)

507 Wait, scratch that. Identity isn't really in that pattern.

Posted by: Jim S. at August 19, 2017 10:09 PM (ynUnH)

508 Lights start to brighten in the theater and the movie says The End.

ONT is up

Posted by: Beartooth at August 19, 2017 10:09 PM (4EuJq)

509 Any good movies about the War of 1812? I'm kinda in the mood to watch dee cee burn.

Posted by: the guy across the street at August 19, 2017 10:10 PM (sf2BM)

510 "Plus, they didn't know now about mental illness back in PKD's day."

Back in the 1960s? Before the Left forced Reagan to open up the mental hospitals in California?

LOL

Posted by: JAS at August 19, 2017 10:11 PM (UnDQI)

511 Denise Crosby hasn't aged well,

but back in the day YOWZA!!!

Posted by: naturalfake at August 19, 2017 10:12 PM (9q7Dl)

512 Um I assume there are MEN here... Like with balls and have a history of knocking mothers out in street fights.. granted old dusty war glory day are cool but BALLS are very much in fashion TODAY.. tAKING IN CONSIDERATRION STOMPY BOOTS ARE AN ACCEPTED FORM OF WARFARE..

Posted by: Voter Dude at August 19, 2017 10:12 PM (U5Xeq)

513 This is what they found ...

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader
________

Since your post's theme is endings, it'll be at least 6 minutes before I can respond.

(Thanks for the link!)

Posted by: FireHorse at August 19, 2017 10:12 PM (zkGZ8)

514 509 Any good movies about the War of 1812? I'm kinda in the mood to watch dee cee burn.
Posted by: the guy across the street at August 19, 2017 10:10 PM (sf2BM)

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I think Charlton Heston was Andrew Jackson in a movie about the Battle of New Orleans.

Outside of that, though, there's not much.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at August 19, 2017 10:13 PM (Jj43a)

515 Outside of that, though, there's not much.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at August 19, 2017 10:13 PM (Jj43a)

Bummer.

A good city burning would cheer me right up. dee cee doubly so.

Posted by: the guy across the street at August 19, 2017 10:16 PM (sf2BM)

516 514 509 Any good movies about the War of 1812? I'm kinda in the mood to watch dee cee burn.
Posted by: the guy across the street at August 19, 2017 10:10 PM (sf2BM)

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I think Charlton Heston was Andrew Jackson in a movie about the Battle of New Orleans.

Outside of that, though, there's not much.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone at August 19, 2017 10:13 PM (Jj43a)

I thought A&E did a good Docudrama about the invasion of DC

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at August 19, 2017 10:17 PM (dKiJG)

517 The chemistry between him and John Wayne is excellent. Apparently Brown thought Duke was a racist monster but found out he was a great guy once he worked with him.

I heard RLB on an interview show in the late 70's, discussing The Cowboys. Seems Bruce Dern got on his case for hanging out with Wayne, b/c Wayne was a pro-war racist monster.

SJW's- up in your bizness for the last forty years.

I won't rate The Cowboys's score over Star Wars, but it's very close second.

Posted by: Sal at August 19, 2017 10:27 PM (hA4a+)

518
Ever since Lee Marvin got an Oscar for "Cat Ballou", I determined it was all bullshit.


Posted by: JAS at August 19, 2017 09:40 PM (UnDQI)








To be fair, Marvin always said that the horse got him his Oscar.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 19, 2017 10:28 PM (iFZVz)

519 Good stuff on YouTube, OM!

Posted by: FireHorse at August 19, 2017 10:30 PM (zkGZ8)

520 Late again This most beloved of threads seems to strike when I'm out to dinner, sadly.

But I do want to talk about two movies with transformative endings, one good and one bad.

The bad one first: I think the ending of The Third Man ruins the movie.

Yes, there's amazing cinetography in the sewer chase, that's fine. But from a story viewpoint, the character of Harry Lime - who he was, who he seemed to be and who Joe Cotton thought he was- loomed over the film. To reveal him, give him a few JUICE lines of dialog and then to kill him off at the end was a mistake.
Harry Lime needs to get away. Joe Cotton learns who Larry really was inside, the friend he knew is dead. That's tragedy enough. Losing the girl he's fond of to Harry yet again would be tragic enough. Harry needs to get away with it. If he had, the movie would be even more legendary in its daring as well as its cinematography.

The second transformative ending (and I'm surprised no one brought it up....maybe it was in last week's thread) is The Usual Suspects. Probably the 'best' movie at the top of my list of 100. The revelation of Keyser Soze is brilliant.

You have the epic reversal of roles. The gimp, the man despised, is revealed to be the legendary power behind it all. The story he's told, was a made up bit of magic and misdirection made up on the spot. And right then, you call into question who the protagonist (not hero) of the film was.

Victory. Earned victory, wrought by cunning, nerve and acting skill combined with utter ruthlessness. It turned a heist mystery into mythic legend.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 19, 2017 11:45 PM (xJa6I)

521 Veeery late to this. One of the film endings that always bugged me was for American Graffiti. Is it supposed to be deep and tragically brilliant that we have a happy nostalgia film, punctuated at the end by finding out which of the guys died in 'Nam? Because it felt like a sucker punch move, breaking the contract with the audience, and I always resented it.

Posted by: LizLem at August 20, 2017 03:44 AM (FXW3a)

522 ST Enterprise totally wasted a perfectly good Earth-Romulan War.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at August 20, 2017 04:19 AM (e1mEI)

523 The Germans made a propaganda film about torpedoing the Titanic? Do you mean the Lusitania?

Posted by: Gem at August 20, 2017 10:05 AM (uaHyk)

524 The Village was garbage; it had a plot that only someone with advanced degrees could believe.

Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at August 20, 2017 06:12 PM (H5knJ)

525 Stalingrad, the one with Yanina Studilina. She could turn me red.

Posted by: Amethyst at August 20, 2017 07:09 PM (Ex0CI)

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