EMT 08/13/17

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Posted by: krakatoa at 06:00 AM

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1 More Noos. Today is Sunday, August 13, 2017. On this day in 1961 East Germany closed the border between the eastern and western sectors of Berlin to thwart its inhabitants' attempts to escape to the West, and construction of the Berlin Wall was started.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 13, 2017 05:48 AM (mpXpK)

2 hey have announced the name of the man who drove his car into the crowd in Charlottesville yesterday.

An Ohio man is accused of driving a car into a crowd of people protesting a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Va., killing a 32-year-old woman and injuring 19 others, police said late Saturday.

James Alex Fields Jr., 20, was booked into the Albemarle-Charlottesville Regional Jail on one count of second-degree murder, three counts of malicious wounding, and one count of failing to stop at an accident that resulted in a death.

And Jeff Sessions says they are opening a civil rights case. Looks to me like a clear case of murder. Why do we need a civil rights case to muddy the waters or is that being done just do appease the SJWs?

http://tinyurl.com/ycpue7x7

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 13, 2017 05:49 AM (mpXpK)

3 Good morning horde

Posted by: Skip at August 13, 2017 05:49 AM (pPKG5)

4 And of course the RINOs in the Republican Party automatically jumped on the so-called "White Nationalists" as being the cause of the violence. IIANM they had a permit and were attacked by another group of racists. I blame the Charlottesville cops for allowing the other group to come in. It should be noted that the mayor of Charlottesville is a "Democrat Activist".

http://tinyurl.com/y9muqmtl

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 13, 2017 05:50 AM (mpXpK)

5 Here's not a way for schools to raise money. Offer students a front of the line lunch pass for a $100 donation. And why are schools always trying to raise money anyway? We pay huge property taxes and sales taxes to support the schools. Where is the money going?

http://tinyurl.com/ydcddoxk

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 13, 2017 05:50 AM (mpXpK)

6 Trump aid Omarosa Manigualt found out what happens when a black woman leaves the black racist reservation.

http://tinyurl.com/y78v4a7s

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 13, 2017 05:50 AM (mpXpK)

7 Is the summer over? More indications of global cooling.

http://tinyurl.com/ycodd2m9

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 13, 2017 05:50 AM (mpXpK)

8 Blacks shout down a white Democrat candidate at the Netroots convention.

http://tinyurl.com/yba5c5vl

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 13, 2017 05:51 AM (mpXpK)

9 A female reporter for The Hill was punched by one of those communist protesters at Charlottesville.

http://tinyurl.com/y9826s64

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 13, 2017 05:51 AM (mpXpK)

10 And of course Democrat governor Terry McAuliffe sides with the Antifa Communists.

http://tinyurl.com/yaeuvnf4

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 13, 2017 05:51 AM (mpXpK)

11 Disgusting fat body blames Trump for violence in Charlottesville.

http://tinyurl.com/y8avmkco

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 13, 2017 05:51 AM (mpXpK)

12 And every liberal group in America is grinding their own axes on Charlottesville. Here the anti-second amendment Moms Demand Action loons are blaming the NRA for the violence.

http://tinyurl.com/y8pmzxpt

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 13, 2017 05:52 AM (mpXpK)

13 Typical Obama. He is trying to get back in the news celebrating diversity with yes, a picture of himself.

http://tinyurl.com/yac47ler

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 13, 2017 05:52 AM (mpXpK)

14 Robert Mueller is continuing to expand the BS Russia probe with stuff that has nothing to do with Russia. It is time to fire is scummy ass and end this farce.

http://tinyurl.com/y85mrf5d

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 13, 2017 05:52 AM (mpXpK)

15 Ramirez (repeat)

http://tinyurl.com/zerexd5

And that's it for today. Slow news Sunday.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 13, 2017 05:53 AM (mpXpK)

16 Thanks for the news Vic.

As was mentioned yesterday, what the heck is a White Nationalist?

From Merriam-Webster
a person who advocates political independence for a country

So a person who wants independence for a country(I'm assuming the USA?) that is also white?
WTF?

Posted by: Bruce at August 13, 2017 05:57 AM (8ikIW)

17 Well, is anybody up besides me and Skip?

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 13, 2017 05:57 AM (mpXpK)

18 You know all the groups involved in Charlottesville are leftist. We're not seeing a civil war between right and left. We're watching the opening shots of a civil war in the left. and as usual its between Socialists and Fascists. We need to stop saying this event was between Left and Right and show it for what it truly is.

Posted by: Iblis at August 13, 2017 05:57 AM (ufiYm)

19 17 Well, is anybody up besides me and Skip?
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 13, 2017 05:57 AM (mpXpK)

I'm up, but I'm in Europe right now, so its almost lunchtime for me.

Posted by: Iblis at August 13, 2017 05:58 AM (ufiYm)

20 We can assume that when Hillary sobers up, where ever she it, she will blame Trump for whatever is happening. Al Sharpton must be on his way now...

Posted by: Colin at August 13, 2017 05:59 AM (sMVpR)

21 As was mentioned yesterday, what the heck is a White Nationalist?

Evidently is in a combination of most of the Race monger groups in the US. i.e. KKK, Nazis, skinheads, etc. I have a feeling that the "white nationalist" label is just pulled out of some reporter's ass though.

I guess the NAACP, the CBC, and other black racist groups would therefore be "black nationalists".

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 13, 2017 06:00 AM (mpXpK)

22 Here the anti-second amendment Moms Demand Action loons are blaming the NRA for the violence.

It would make more sense to blame NASCAR. Was anyone even shot there? I don't think so.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at August 13, 2017 06:03 AM (/qEW2)

23 Keep in mind that the car killer drove into the "counter protest" who I believe was largely BLM and other racist black groups.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 13, 2017 06:03 AM (mpXpK)

24 And somehow the guy driving the car brought down a helicopter. That's some fancy driving there.

Posted by: Bruce at August 13, 2017 06:03 AM (8ikIW)

25 Finished the suduko, been up awhile so guess I ought to go make the covfefe

Posted by: Skip at August 13, 2017 06:03 AM (pPKG5)

26 The media will paint those idiot 'white supremacist ' as the main stream DT supporters

Posted by: Skip at August 13, 2017 06:04 AM (pPKG5)

27 And Jeff Sessions says they are opening a civil
rights case. Looks to me like a clear case of murder. Why do we need a
civil rights case to muddy the waters or is that being done just do
appease the SJWs?

http://tinyurl.com/ycpue7x7

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 13, 2017 05:49 AM

I think it is because the Charlotteville's police were ordered to stand down (by their mayor?) and let the non-permitted protesters attack the permitted protesters and the cops disappeared when the fighting started. And this mayor who probably ordered it has a very strong history of only letting his homies speak in council meetings and giving city money to Obama political groups. Who knows what they will find. The car ramming is a homicide but the question is what degree. It looks to be a real mess. A factual timeline would be helpful but that comes much later.

Posted by: Lester at August 13, 2017 06:05 AM (LfJIn)

28 However, there was some word yesterday that the guy in the car was just trying to drive down the road and the BLM crowd started attacking his car, which he then just rammed through them.

I saw one mention of that then it was buried.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 13, 2017 06:06 AM (mpXpK)

29 27 The car ramming is a homicide but the question is
what degree. It looks to be a real mess. A factual timeline would be
helpful but that comes much later.

Posted by: Lester at August 13, 2017 06:05 AM (LfJIn)

Well they only charged him with 2nd degree murder. Which if it was clear that he purposely rammed the crowd with no provocation you would think it would be first degree murder.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 13, 2017 06:09 AM (mpXpK)

30 And Jeff Sessions says they are opening a civil rights case. Looks to me like a clear case of murder.

If the rioters targeted Fields because he was white, then maybe the antifas can be charged with a hatecrime. And was it really murder? When your car is surrounded by an ugly mob, you get out by any means necessary - self defense, not murder.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at August 13, 2017 06:09 AM (/qEW2)

31
Am I reading correctly that the 'root cause' of the protest was because the park, scene of the 'largely peaceful' event, was to be re-named?

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at August 13, 2017 06:09 AM (EgwCt)

32 31

Am I reading correctly that the 'root cause' of the protest was
because the park, scene of the 'largely peaceful' event, was to be
re-named?

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at August 13, 2017 06:09 AM (EgwCt)

The "permitted" original protest was because they were removing a statue of Robert E. Lee IAW old directives by the racist NAACP who have vowed to destroy all history of the confederacy in the South.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 13, 2017 06:12 AM (mpXpK)

33 The video of the car rammer hot-dogging it down the street doesn't show anyone beating on the car. I don't think there was any imminent danger from the blob of protesters roaming the intersection where he set off the chain reaction of ramming one car which hit more people. The cops were not getting people out of the street or to disperse so he might have a point to claiming he had no way to leave after being ordered to do so by the cops and just freaked out. Who knows.

Posted by: Lester at August 13, 2017 06:13 AM (LfJIn)

34 The Feds are going to investigate. Unfortunately, they are going to investigate the wrong side. The investigation will be superficial and the charges will be excessive.

The real trouble makers will remain guilty as hell and free as a bird.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at August 13, 2017 06:15 AM (m9X4Y)

35 33
The video of the car rammer hot-dogging it down the street doesn't show
anyone beating on the car. I don't think there was any imminent danger
from the blob of protesters roaming the intersection where he set off
the chain reaction of ramming one car which hit more people. The cops
were not getting people out of the street or to disperse so he might
have a point to claiming he had no way to leave after being ordered to
do so by the cops and just freaked out. Who knows.

Posted by: Lester at August 13, 2017 06:13 AM (LfJIn)

Does the video have the complete action from before the start until after the ramming? You have to be careful with these videos that get out there. A lot of times they cut out the original provocation. The Rodney King video that was showed over and over by the MFM had his original attack on the cops edited out.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 13, 2017 06:16 AM (mpXpK)

36 The "permitted" original protest was because they were removing a statue of Robert E. Lee IAW old directives by the racist NAACP who have vowed to destroy all history of the confederacy in the South.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 13, 2017 06:12 AM (mpXpK)

Okay, thanks. For some reason or another, I doubt that will be mentioned much in the coming days.

The historical revisionists have to take some blame for setting the fire. Which I doubt they will accept.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at August 13, 2017 06:16 AM (EgwCt)

37 Quickly looked at the local news web sites this am. All the local black Democratic pols are blaming Trump, Trump, Trump. It gives them face time, and they love it. But of course they wouldn't admit it.

Posted by: Colin at August 13, 2017 06:18 AM (sMVpR)

38
I've seen reports that the car was traveling 40 mph. Damage to car does not indicate 40 mph speed. I'd call it 10 mph, tops.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at August 13, 2017 06:18 AM (EgwCt)

39 I drive a good wood green 1967 Corvette. Gonna wash & Simonize it today while shirtless.

Posted by: Joe Biden at August 13, 2017 06:19 AM (bc2Lc)

40
So while I'm looking at Korea I see that a war on the subcontinent might break out between China and India?

Ho Lee Fook.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 13, 2017 06:20 AM (mbhDw)

41 38
I've seen reports that the car was traveling 40 mph. Damage to car does not indicate 40 mph speed. I'd call it 10 mph, tops.
Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at August 13, 2017 06:18 AM (EgwCt)

Tell that to George Patton.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 13, 2017 06:21 AM (mbhDw)

42 And somehow the guy driving the car brought down a helicopter. That's some fancy driving there.

Bruce Willis did it in Die Hard 3, or was it 4. They run together. The one about the data theft firesale.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at August 13, 2017 06:22 AM (m9X4Y)

43 Over at American Greatness, there's a podcast interview with VDH that has some stuff on the Norks, but the really interesting part to me is when he unloads on his fellow colleagues the NeverTrumpers at Heritage and NRO. He calls them unhinged and more. It's good stuff:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/yazngpy2

There's a transcript; I prefer reading to listening to ingest my news.

Posted by: GnuBreed at August 13, 2017 06:22 AM (7Pc75)

44 The GOPe is already starting to openly support the removal of Confederate monuments (Rich Lowry at National Review, which the system won't let me quote for some reson)

I predict that there will be immense GOPe and donor pressure to remove any state-level protection for Confedederate heritage sites, and at the national level expect many of them to openly support renaming Fort Bragg, etc.

Posted by: lowtech redneck at August 13, 2017 06:23 AM (hfClf)

45 >>>Blacks shout down a white Democrat candidate at the Netroots convention.

They thought that Barack meant they achieved control over the country. Nov 2016 showed them that Barack was just something the country needed to get out of its system, to atone for its white guilt. Their grip wasn't nearly as solid as they thought it was, and now they are bitter.

I hope Ms. Evans learns a lesson from this. They don't want you, they hate you, they never really respected your attempts to suck up to them, and in the end they are not worth it. Take a leaf from Jim Justice's book.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at August 13, 2017 06:23 AM (/qEW2)

46 38

I've seen reports that the car was traveling 40 mph. Damage to car does not indicate 40 mph speed. I'd call it 10 mph, tops.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at August 13, 2017 06:18 AM (EgwCt)

If that car had been going 40 mph when it hit the back end of the other car the whole front end would be caved in.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 13, 2017 06:24 AM (mpXpK)

47
Whatever my irrelevant opinion about Confederate war memorials may or may not be, they've been in place for at least a hundred years.

Why all of a sudden now are they completely intolerable?

I more or less know the answer as that is a somewhat rhetorical question.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 13, 2017 06:25 AM (mbhDw)

48 There is video of the car ramming out there. It shows him going down the street at a good clip. I have no idea how many MPH, but there were a lot of people milling about and he definitely was going faster than any normal person would have with that number of people.

After he rams into the car at the end of the block and hits pedestrians (at least one landed on his hood,) he throws it into reverse, hits at least one other guy, and guns it back down the street--in reverse--and you see more pedestrians scattering to get out of his way.

Posted by: IrishEi at August 13, 2017 06:27 AM (HiDrR)

49 44 I predict that there will be immense GOPe and donor
pressure to remove any state-level protection for Confedederate heritage
sites, and at the national level expect many of them to openly support
renaming Fort Bragg, etc.

Posted by: lowtech redneck at August 13, 2017 06:23 AM (hfClf)

There is already pressure to rename Ft. Brag. But the Army has said "not only no, but. . ."

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 13, 2017 06:27 AM (mpXpK)

50 My brother and his family are in D.C. and were supposed to go on the White House tour but all WH tours were abruptly cancelled. Related to the NorK situation, I take it?

The kids are so disappointed.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at August 13, 2017 06:31 AM (ul9CR)

51 47 Why all of a sudden now are they completely intolerable?

I more or less know the answer as that is a somewhat rhetorical question.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 13, 2017 06:25 AM (mbhDw)

It is not really "all of a sudden". The NAACP had a big meeting back in the 60s where they voted to advocate elimination of all vestiges of the old confederacy from the South. They started with the confederate flags and State flags that had the confederate flag built into them. Its just with violent groups like BLM out there rioting now it gets more noticeable. They are now going after statues, street names, and high school names.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 13, 2017 06:31 AM (mpXpK)

52 There is already pressure to rename Ft. Brag. But the Army has said "not only no, but. . ."
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 13, 2017 06:27 AM (mpXpK)

Yes, but now you will find members of the GOPe openly imploring them to 'reconsider'.....and it will became the new 'Redskins' amongst the Left.

Posted by: lowtech redneck at August 13, 2017 06:32 AM (hfClf)

53 I remember when it was revealed that Obama attended Jeremiah Wright's "church" for 20 years. The media spilled a lot of ink trying to do apologetics for Wright. That was the point at which I thought, "these people believe things as vile as the Klan. They are more dangerous than the Klan because they will not be held accountable". From that moment, every time I saw the term "white supremacist" in the news, my mind translated it to "the left's new bogeyman term". I just can't take them seriously until they clean their own house. Of course they never will because that's who they are, by and large.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at August 13, 2017 06:32 AM (/qEW2)

54 At least Russia, Russia, Russia is off the CNN headline this am...mostly...But I bet CNN loves their new headline just as much.

Posted by: Colin at August 13, 2017 06:33 AM (sMVpR)

55 My brother and his family are in D.C. and were supposed to go on the White House tour but all WH tours were abruptly cancelled. Related to the NorK situation, I take it?

The kids are so disappointed.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at August 13, 2017 06:31 AM (ul9CR)

I believe major renovations are being undertaken at the White House right now. Something to do with air conditioning system... but more likely removal of listening devices from ductwork.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at August 13, 2017 06:33 AM (EgwCt)

56 I believe major renovations are being undertaken at the White House right now. Something to do with air conditioning system... but more likely removal of listening devices from ductwork.
Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at August 13, 2017 06:33 AM (EgwCt)

WH tours have to be arranged through your congressman. His was arranged by Rep. Chris Collins (R-NY). Wouldn't a congressman know this and not set up tours for their constituents, leaving them in the lurch?

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at August 13, 2017 06:35 AM (ul9CR)

57 Workers began a $3.4 million project to fix up the White House last week, according to the New York Times. They’re expected to improve the air-conditioning system, which the General Services Administration has said is “well past its life cycle and will fail in the near future without intervention,” as well as repaint and put in new cables. As of Friday, CNN reported there were already storage units filled with items from the West Wing out near the Eisenhower Executive Office Building.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at August 13, 2017 06:37 AM (EgwCt)

58 So while I'm looking at Korea I see that a war on the subcontinent might break out between China and India?

Ho Lee Fook.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton

Cool! I call dibs on any Muslim refugees.

Posted by: Angela Merkel at August 13, 2017 06:40 AM (/qEW2)

59 Surprise, probably this will now happen in all the big cities...

OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) Protesters marched in California cities to decry racism in the wake of deadly violence that erupted at a white nationalist demonstration in Virginia.

Posted by: Colin at August 13, 2017 06:40 AM (sMVpR)

60 plantation, not reservation.

Posted by: JAS at August 13, 2017 06:40 AM (UnDQI)

61 I am thinking about hitting the rocking chair. Most of the time I sit here and read while playing the radio in the background. But at 0630 on Sunday they begin the religious programs and they play them almost continuously until 3 pm. I am not in the mood for that today.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 13, 2017 06:41 AM (mpXpK)

62 59 OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) Protesters marched in
California cities to decry racism in the wake of deadly violence that
erupted at a white nationalist demonstration in Virginia.

Posted by: Colin at August 13, 2017 06:40 AM (sMVpR)

Oakland is now the home base of a lot of these black communist groups. Its the reason Oakland has gone from a not too bad city to a huge slum.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 13, 2017 06:42 AM (mpXpK)

63 The other good read I ran into this week is from PJ Media, by Richard Fernandez, about what the Chinese are about to do:

Chinese authorities have announced plans to create a national reputation index. Under the scheme everyone will receive a virtue score based on observable behavior.

http://tinyurl.com/y9p8r73g

There's a lot more to this scheme, and it is terrifying -- This 'score' will be available to the public as a searchable piece of info, and part of your score will be the scores of your friends and family, also searchable as part of your profile.

Fernandez goes on to tie this to what is happening here already in the US, with the Goolag firing and several other recent occurrences of Wrongthink and their results.

Posted by: GnuBreed at August 13, 2017 06:43 AM (7Pc75)

64 Picture of construction equipment outside WH:
http://static1.businessinsider.com/image
/598dd10cd9a6a0a8268b4788-1200/
the-34-million-project-began-at-the-start-of-august.jpg

Planning for project started in reign of Obama.

You need a better Congressman.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at August 13, 2017 06:43 AM (EgwCt)

65 Maybe by "white nationalist" they mean to evoke something like "white National Socialist". But they can't just say that because people would think "Oh, like Elizabeth Warren and Bernie".

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at August 13, 2017 06:45 AM (/qEW2)

66 Evil exists in many forms-some evident as we watch the evening news and some more hidden and less obvious. Injustice is evident in the blatant acts of racism and white nationalism in display this evening-but equally present in unacknowledged white privilege and unequal opportunity in the church and society. Immigrant communities, people of color, women and sexual minorities, and many other groups in church and society face oppression on a daily basis. How will we respond each day? How will we live differently-with intentionality-to "resist" and "reject" the forces in our world that do not reflect God's vision for God's people.

Part of the latest communication I got from my boss. I also got one from his boss-which I couldn't bear to read yet. I am not a Neo-Nazi. I do not support David Duke. Neither do I support tearing down Confederate monuments or firing people from their jobs for giving a non politically correct POV. I also am obviously against burning people down their cities or running over people. but the use of the word "resist" even if it is in quotes does not make me happy. I wish I could be more honest with my boss.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 13, 2017 06:46 AM (iVOAv)

67 Maybe by "white nationalist" they mean to evoke something like "white National Socialist". But they can't just say that because people would think "Oh, like Elizabeth Warren and Bernie".

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at August 13, 2017 06:45 AM (/qEW2)

I prefer using the original German acronym for 'National Socialist'.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at August 13, 2017 06:48 AM (EgwCt)

68 In the ONT there was a question asked about where to go in Texas to shoot long range. Former Navy SEAL sniper giving long range instruction in Texas. Website in video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbBkGf7dYO0

Posted by: An Observation at August 13, 2017 06:48 AM (jDj04)

69 I just checked by schedule and I don't have anything schedule until September. So I think I'll go hit the rocking chair. be good people.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 13, 2017 06:52 AM (mpXpK)

70 Oh great, if your ready to take your young boy or girl to settle in at the University of Virginia this coming week, the news must be scary.

Posted by: Colin at August 13, 2017 06:54 AM (sMVpR)

71 There are (or were) different levels of WH tour.

The general public (no appointment required)

The VIP tour which your Senator or Congressman can arrange (appointment)

And even more special tour. Neal Reagan was my FiL's fellow parishioner. After the VIP tour, we got a private tour. If Mr. Reagan was there that day, we would have got to meet him. Too bad. It was the day after Thanksgiving in 1986. Ollie North had just been locked-out. Mr. Reagan was in California.

Posted by: JAS at August 13, 2017 06:56 AM (UnDQI)

72 I would like to see what in the world 'white supremacist' actually want to happen.

Posted by: Skip at August 13, 2017 06:58 AM (pPKG5)

73 ACLU saus police were ordered to "stand down". Who gave that order. Evidently whoever did wished there to be chaos and violence.

And no, unlike Rubio Ii don't think Trump should speak specifically against white nationalist violence. By doing so he risks tagging these people as his supporters. He already rejected David Duke's support.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 13, 2017 06:59 AM (iVOAv)

74 >>>The historical revisionists have to take some blame for setting the fire.

Blame lies squarely with out-of-town racist assholes who showed up to start trouble and out-of-town leftist assholes who showed up to start trouble.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 13, 2017 06:59 AM (VRYbd)

75 >>>Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 13, 2017 06:46 AM (iVOAv)

That reads like standard secular lib-speak to me, with a few mentions of "God" thrown in as seasoning. Maybe report him to your denomination's leadership.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at August 13, 2017 07:03 AM (/qEW2)

76 Whenever die polizei stand back and let the brownshirts attack the otherwise peaceful assembly, I think the police are not our friends.

Posted by: JAS at August 13, 2017 07:04 AM (UnDQI)

77 Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at August 13, 2017 07:03 AM (/qEW2)

He IS The leadership and his boss would endorse his POV.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 13, 2017 07:06 AM (iVOAv)

78 "51 47 Why all of a sudden now are they completely intolerable? "

It's like Isis in Palmyra - literally. A group seeking power intentionally destroys records of the past in order to exert control over the future.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 13, 2017 07:08 AM (V2Yro)

79 Policeman take orders, mostly from politicians

Posted by: Skip at August 13, 2017 07:08 AM (pPKG5)

80 Blame lies squarely with out-of-town racist assholes who showed up to start trouble and out-of-town leftist assholes who showed up to start trouble.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 13, 2017 06:59 AM (VRYbd)

But *especially* the police who did not maintain distance between the two groups. As if that was a totally unintended consequence.

Really?

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at August 13, 2017 07:11 AM (EgwCt)

81 g'mornin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at August 13, 2017 07:12 AM (KCxzN)

82 So it seems when you enter a blue controlled area, you are essentially entering foreign, hostile territory. Your rights to free speech and freedom of assembly are no longer in effect. Neither is your personal physical safety guaranteed. We really do need a national divorce.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at August 13, 2017 07:13 AM (/qEW2)

83 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 13, 2017 06:46 AM (iVOAv)

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at August 13, 2017 07:03 AM (/qEW2)

I think a bit more than that:

>>unacknowledged white privilege and unequal opportunity in the church

>>do not reflect God's vision for God's people.

How are you going to acknowledge that and ensure it stays acknowledged?

Who is represented as God's people? And if Others are not God's people, who's people are they?

Posted by: dDan at August 13, 2017 07:16 AM (hwYmz)

84
I like the picture of the male 'counter-protester' with flaming can of hair spray pointed at protester. As if everyone just happens to have a can of hair spray and lighter in their pocket and the thought just suddenly pops into their brain to use them together.

Premeditated. No other word.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at August 13, 2017 07:17 AM (EgwCt)

85 Blame lies squarely with out-of-town racist assholes who showed up to start trouble and out-of-town leftist assholes who showed up to start trouble.

Bleah. Pamela Geller and Geert Wilders were "out-of-town" with regards to Garland, TX. So were the two assailants, who were from AZ.

Who is to blame for the violence in that case?

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at August 13, 2017 07:18 AM (/qEW2)

86 I more or less know the answer as that is a somewhat rhetorical question.

It is all part of Soros trying to engineer a civil war in the United States. He doesn't care who fights whom - or who wins; he just wants the chaos so that he can sell short and become the first trillionaire.

Posted by: An Observation at August 13, 2017 07:19 AM (jDj04)

87 Well the whole Charlotte looks like a setup so we will get a couple of weeks of GOP fucktards prostrating themselves before the hot mics.

I will lay a hundy on the table that the first order of business when they get back from their exdcessive vacation is some sort of "civil rights" legislation.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 13, 2017 07:21 AM (utWu8)

88 'Blame lies squarely with out-of-town racist assholes who showed up to start trouble and out-of-town leftist assholes who showed up to start trouble. '

People who actually live in Charlottesville are the only ones allowed to protest?

Posted by: freaked at August 13, 2017 07:21 AM (BO/km)

89 The same people who couldn't get Hillary elected are orchestrating this. Two Virginia State Patrol troopers were killed by Governor McAuliffe's little adventure. Notice who sent condolences and who didn't.

This is the type of chess match where the pieces change sides depending on circumstance. Virginia State Patrol have as much respect for McAuliffe as the Police in NY have for Blasio.

Posted by: Mudd at August 13, 2017 07:23 AM (WAzyc)

90 Eat to White House. If you are concerned that your AC will "fail" without intervention you are being bum rushed by some AC salesman. Pro tip: there isn't anything made by man that won't fail without intervention. Witness concrete chute spillway at Oroville Dam. Everything fails. Sheesh. Stupid that burns.

Posted by: torabora at August 13, 2017 07:27 AM (zUMR+)

91 The f'n GOP will take this as an opportunity to bash PDT. As much as I hate Ohio Nazis they had a right and a permit to be there. They didn't start it. They weren't running around saying 'kill the cops' and "justice for gangbangers". They assembled legally and peacefully and the other group showed up to make trouble.

Posted by: freaked at August 13, 2017 07:28 AM (BO/km)

92 Morning

The left is wetting itself over what is going down in VA and of course it is all PDT and us Deplorables fault.

Hey when 2 sides riot: The Racist KKK types and the Left wing scum who fought them, how come no one mentions the other side? The BLM scum and the Antifa scum?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 13, 2017 07:28 AM (SjImc)

93 Posted by: FenelonSpoke

I'll say a prayer that you find the path to deal with this politicization of your ministry. That is exactly why I left the church almost twenty years ago. I can pray on my own and I can read. God is always there, you just have to learn to listen.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at August 13, 2017 07:29 AM (B9t7n)

94 Erf.... Not eat....stupid autocorrect.

Posted by: torabora at August 13, 2017 07:29 AM (zUMR+)

95 Blame lies squarely with out-of-town racist assholes who showed up to start trouble and out-of-town leftist assholes who showed up to start trouble.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 13, 2017 06:59 AM (VRYbd)

I'm guessing the out-of-town leftist assholes who showed up to start trouble refers to the BLM folks,

and out-of-town racist assholes refers to the ones legally permitted to be there.

Is this correct ?

Posted by: dDan at August 13, 2017 07:30 AM (hwYmz)

96
If PDT speaks against "white nationalist violence" he should use the words "Democrat" and "Democrat Party" early, often and in every sentence since that is the birthplace of the KKK, white nationalism and the forces of totalitarian racialism in this country. Always has bee, still is and always will be.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 13, 2017 07:33 AM (mbhDw)

97 ...Blame lies squarely with out-of-town racist assholes who showed up to start trouble and out-of-town leftist assholes who showed up to start trouble...

Both these groups are nominally controlled by the same puppet masters. The vicious KKK actions were instigated by FBI informers that are still being protected. This is an open-secret. This stuff is scripted similar to professional wrestling. eg improv.

Doubtful the puppet masters wanted the Virginia Troupers killed because it weakens their support with the police. They are probably pleased otherwise. Might hurt the next so called counter-protest. The snow flakes aren't noted for courage.

Posted by: Mudd at August 13, 2017 07:34 AM (WAzyc)

98
Hopefully the 4chan crew will identify this guy:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/08/12/22
/43327C1800000578-4783914___
-a-34_1502573737980.jpg

No doubt he's been around, as he came prepared. It's only a small fire this time, but are gasoline cans and tires next?

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at August 13, 2017 07:34 AM (EgwCt)

99
Funny how the ACLU is nowhere to be found in defending the so-called white nationalists and their permitted rally/protest.

I seem to recall they eagerly defended the same sort of people as they marched through the streets of Skokie, IL in 1977 wearing full Nazi/KKK garb.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 13, 2017 07:35 AM (mbhDw)

100 http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/08/12/22/43327C1800000578-4783914-IMaGe
-a-34_1502573737980.jpg

Try again. Pixy didn't like.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at August 13, 2017 07:36 AM (EgwCt)

101 People who actually live in Charlottesville are the only ones allowed to protest?
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That rule would allow for more easy targeting of legitimiate citizens by the BLM crowd, which is exactly what the establishment wants.

Posted by: Methos at August 13, 2017 07:36 AM (XQvuQ)

102 After a lifetime of belonging to various churches and various denominations, I have come to the final conclusion (meaning that this is where I stand, I can do none else) that many individual churches are very good, full of good people, and do good things. I can support an individual church that focuses on its own community.

Denominations, on the other hand, are corrupt, power seeking creations of man that inevitably become more and more corrupt as time passes, and they all eventually suck the life out of any remaining affiliated churches as that denomination withers and dies.

I can, and probably will, belong to another church, even though I'm at the moment splits with the last one. I can never see myself officially belonging to another denomination again.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 13, 2017 07:36 AM (V2Yro)

103 >>>At least Russia, Russia, Russia is off the CNN headline this am

The left thinks it can use certain words, like an animal trainer using a clicker, and that we will unthinkingly respond the way they want us to. One term is "Russia" (as if they were still the USSR). Another is "white supremacist" (as if there weren't also black racists who instigated the unrest).

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at August 13, 2017 07:37 AM (/qEW2)

104 Hey when 2 sides riot: The Racist KKK types and the Left wing scum who
fought them, how come no one mentions the other side? The BLM scum and
the Antifa scum?
---
Did 2 sides riot yesterday? I haven't seen that.

Posted by: Methos at August 13, 2017 07:38 AM (XQvuQ)

105 "God is always there"

Neville Goddard, "Do not allow anyone to act as an intermediary between you and your God, for He is within you! God is never so far off as even to be near, for nearness implies separation. How can you be near God, when He became aware of being you? The moment He bestowed his spirit upon you, He gave you his consciousness, that you may - by that consciousness - understand the gift you have been given."

Posted by: Mudd at August 13, 2017 07:39 AM (WAzyc)

106 The white supremesists are racists, they are not anything new, but the same old KKK types. But the Antifa and BLM are racists also and the MSM and the RINOs are trying to ignore that.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 13, 2017 07:39 AM (SjImc)

107 Did 2 sides riot yesterday? I haven't seen that.
Posted by: Methos at August 13, 2017 07:38 AM (XQvuQ)

Of course they did. The Cops did a real bad job of seperating and isolating the 2 groups.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 13, 2017 07:40 AM (SjImc)

108 Who is to blame for the violence in that case?
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear

What Mudd said about the White Nationalists. An FBI undercover urged the Muslims to attack in Garland but then didn't warn anyone in case it might blow his cover.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at August 13, 2017 07:41 AM (B9t7n)

109 Venezuelas Jews escape mounting pandemonium
Disintegrating Jewish community sees increasing Aliya to Israel, as countrys economy and political system crumble.

About fucking time

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 13, 2017 07:42 AM (SjImc)

110 Also at Daily mail - NY man beats mom,sister and freind with a hammer to death.
Again proving my point hammersare used tokill more often than 'assault weapons '

Posted by: Skip at August 13, 2017 07:45 AM (pPKG5)

111 Pixy is being a real bugger today

Posted by: Skip at August 13, 2017 07:45 AM (pPKG5)

112 The VIP tour which your Senator or Congressman can arrange (appointment)

That was the one they had then, because Chris Collins arranged it.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at August 13, 2017 07:45 AM (ul9CR)

113

I can, and probably will, belong to another
church, even though I'm at the moment splits with the last one. I can
never see myself officially belonging to another denomination again.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 13, 2017 07:36 AM (V2Yro)
====================

Non-denom for the win! BibleGateway verse of the day:

"For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them."

Ephesians 2:10

Posted by: grammie winger - when I was younger so much younger than today at August 13, 2017 07:47 AM (lwiT4)

114 I'm repeating this quote I posted on the ONT because it shows the weaselly way the State officials are talking about it and avoiding casting any blame on the left.

" "State police, Charlottesville police, with the assistance of
National Guard personnel, moved the crowd through the streets to
disperse them," Corinne Geller, Virginia State Police spokeswoman, told
Fox News.

"In the crowds, on all sides, they were throwing
bottles, they were throwing soda cans with cement in them, they were
throwing paint balls, they were fighting --- breaking out and attacking
one another --- launching chemicals into the crowd, and as well as smoke
bombs and so forth," she added. "No local or state police had deployed
any tear gas." "

http://tinyurl.com/y8hm8nhw

Every thing is "crowd."

Bringing soda cans filled with cement shows planning, planning to hurt or kill people and do so with something that looks normal until it hits. Who throws paintballs? Aren't they shot?

Posted by: geoffb5 at August 13, 2017 07:47 AM (d3wbb)

115 Of course they did. The Cops did a real bad job of seperating and isolating the 2 groups.
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What I mean is that all the coverage I see is post car incident. There's reference to 'clashes' between the groups, but what this has meant *every* other time in the past is one group was demonstrating legally, if obnoxiously, and the BLM thugs attacked them.

If individuals take action to defend themselves in that circumstance, I see no reason to call that a riot on their part, and there doesn't seem to have been the burning, looting, and pillaging on the part of their crowd we've seen from BLM when it's left to its own devices.

Posted by: Methos at August 13, 2017 07:51 AM (XQvuQ)

116 "In the crowds, on all sides, they were throwing

bottles, they were throwing soda cans with cement in them, they were

throwing paint balls, they were fighting --- breaking out and attacking

one another --- launching chemicals into the crowd, and as well as smoke

bombs and so forth,"
---
So that would qualify as a riot on both sides.

If backed up by video, as obviously no one in the media can be trusted to report honestly.

Posted by: Methos at August 13, 2017 07:54 AM (XQvuQ)

117 If individuals take action to defend themselves in that circumstance, I see no reason to call that a riot on their part, and there doesn't seem to have been the burning, looting, and pillaging on the part of their crowd we've seen from BLM when it's left to its own devices.
Posted by: Methos at August 13, 2017 07:51 AM (XQvuQ)

I'm not going to defend KKK types under any circumstances. These scum were carrying Nazi Flags. And it was on of theirs that used a car as a weapon killing one. So I use no use what so ever for Nazis and KKK types. And I will not waste one breath defending them.

At the same time I will lay waste to all the practice 'Identity Politics" . Not just one side

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 13, 2017 07:54 AM (SjImc)

118 Nicolas Maduro Guerra, the son of Venezuelan President Nicol�s Maduro, threatened to "take the White House" with guns if President Donald Trump followed through with a military intervention in the country.

"If the U.S. soils the homeland, the rifles would come to New York and take the White House,"

Uh oh. If you live in a white house in NYC you better be on guard.

Posted by: freaked at August 13, 2017 07:56 AM (BO/km)

119 The word "violence" is always used by the left to conflate the actions of an aggressor with those of someone defending themselves or others from that aggression. They speak of both being violence and morally equate them.

Posted by: geoffb5 at August 13, 2017 07:56 AM (d3wbb)

120 These incidents of Anti-fa or just regular progressives attacking "racists" are always in super prog controlled areas. Berkeley, Chicago, Phoenix, Austin, etc. They issue a permit or a Trump rally is scheduled, let the Anti-fa assemble without permits and surround the "racists" to make sure they have no egress or escape route, the cops withdraw or stand there like lumps, and then the progressive city/county/state officials condemn the "racists" for getting the crap knocked out of them. In Berkely only an Anti-fa guy is arrested for violence but none of the "racists" so who is doing what is fairly obvious. The progs get a plan and use it over and over with the media covering and confusing the public for them as part of the plan.

Posted by: Lester at August 13, 2017 07:57 AM (LfJIn)

121 Thanks, (D)s, for making me not give a half a sh*t about a political clash or a person who
died. Way to turn these things into the physical version of calling someone racist/sexist/homophobe to the point where this crap is just background noise, but continual background noise that will make people become suspicious of their neighbors and more willing to skip a step or two of reasoning in the defense of themselves or their families.

Worse, I bet some people on your own side of the political
spectrum were perversely happy to see it happen.

Way to go, (D)s.

Posted by: Moron Robbie, Not Quite as Low-IQ as Michael Obama, But Not as Smart as Some Birds at August 13, 2017 07:58 AM (psH+N)

122 Posted by: Mudd at August 13, 2017 07:39 AM (WAzyc)

And if i think positive thoughts God will give me happiness, health and wealth, because after all that's the reason God sent us Jesus isn't it? so that we could we happy, healthy and rich.

Name not and claim it. !
Gab it and grab it!
All hail to the gumball machine in the sky

Bah

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 13, 2017 07:58 AM (iVOAv)

123 Oh he said "New York" not "New York City". You folks in Poughkeepsie better look out too.

Posted by: freaked at August 13, 2017 07:59 AM (BO/km)

124 Somewhere George Soros is smiling.

Somewhere Cornpone is still asleep and dreaming of Alabama.

More coffee.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 13, 2017 08:00 AM (5VlCp)

125 'And if i think positive thoughts God will give me happiness, health and wealth, because after all that's the reason God sent us Jesus isn't it?'

If that were the case a lot more people would show up for church. Humans love free stuff.

Posted by: freaked at August 13, 2017 08:02 AM (BO/km)

126 The authoritarian left's goal is to shut down free flow of information and ideas, obliterate history and culture, borders, shut down free speech and assembly. The rest of the bill of rights is under assault also. And they hate elections. All of the aforementioned are under attack simultaneously.

Posted by: Lester at August 13, 2017 08:03 AM (LfJIn)

127 So I use no use what so ever for Nazis and KKK types. And I will not waste one breath defending them.

I've always generally ignored them and been pretty successful in not letting them bother me. But they did have a permit and until I see otherwise I tend to think the AntiFa attacked them and the clash was a setup by the powers that be.
I actually am gaining some cold fury with the AntiFa while hating the skinheads even more than before for weighing in on "my side" re the Confederate statues and memorials. I wish the two groups had fought to the death with no survivors.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at August 13, 2017 08:03 AM (B9t7n)

128 Posted by: freaked at August 13, 2017 08:02 AM (BO/km)

Name it and claim is a religious POV I utterly reject, but yes, more people would show up if that were the case.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 13, 2017 08:04 AM (iVOAv)

129 From fear to faith-A devotional from "Our Daily Bread"

https://odb.org

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 13, 2017 08:05 AM (iVOAv)

130 Either I have the worlds hungriest 3 hummingbirds, or I've got bats coming to the nectar feeder at night. I guess I'll have to find out tonite.

Posted by: Bruce at August 13, 2017 08:06 AM (8ikIW)

131 I think positive thoughts result is positive things happening to you because of what is accomplished by you and not some external force. Too many want "blessings" from God without some effort other than showing up and reciting words.

Posted by: freaked at August 13, 2017 08:07 AM (BO/km)

132 Either I have the worlds hungriest 3 hummingbirds, or I've got bats coming to the nectar feeder at night. I guess I'll have to find out tonite.
Posted by: Bruce at August 13, 2017 08:06 AM (8ikIW)

There is also a big, fat moth that looks like a small hummingbird which feeds like the hummingbirds do with a long snout they stick into flowers and feeders.
They will clean out a feeder pretty quick.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 13, 2017 08:08 AM (5VlCp)

133 >>Bah

Heh.

Good morning to you and all ya'all.

Posted by: Mama AJ at August 13, 2017 08:08 AM (wwL6Q)

134 Prob'ly zombies, Bruce.

Posted by: Mama AJ at August 13, 2017 08:09 AM (wwL6Q)

135 I'm not going to defend KKK types under any circumstances. These scum
were carrying Nazi Flags. And it was on of theirs that used a car as a
weapon killing one. So I use no use what so ever for Nazis and KKK
types. And I will not waste one breath defending them.
---
In this instance they're the only ones standing up to the Left's ISIS inspired campaign of monument destruction, so the other option is to let the Left win.

Which is less appealing.

Obviously it would be preferable if folks promoting a more traditional American point of view were standing up to the Left, but they mostly seem to want to sit back and tut tut while we are overrun. So I blame their cowardice for the crappy choice here.

Posted by: Methos at August 13, 2017 08:09 AM (XQvuQ)

136 Posted by: freaked at August 13, 2017 08:07 AM (BO/km)

It's not my intention to argue with someone who doesn't believe in God.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 13, 2017 08:09 AM (iVOAv)

137 "Ohio Nazis" are legally allowed to protest. The fact is that they came PREPARED for the violence they were warned to EXPECT from the antifa jackasses. Then the jackasses showed up PREPARED to start violence. So what happened? Violence. Had the antifa jackasses not shown up, would the "Ohio Nazis" protest been violent? Probably not.

All I'm hearing and reading is that the antifa jackasses were an organic uprising against the white racists, not the prepared counter protesters bussed in to disrupt. They just happened to have urine and paint filled balloons in their backpacks along with their professional signs.

I wonder if the rest of fly over country sees it this way?

Posted by: RedDish on the table...err tablet at August 13, 2017 08:10 AM (5eXg1)

138 Nicolas Maduro Guerra, the son of Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro, threatened to "take the White House" with guns if President Donald Trump followed through with a military intervention in the country.

"If the U.S. soils the homeland, the rifles would come to New York and take the White House,"

Uh oh. If you live in a white house in NYC you better be on guard.

Posted by: freaked

Pretty clever, actually. Commit to destroying something non-existent so that if we do invade Venezuela, he does not lose face by not following through on his threat.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at August 13, 2017 08:10 AM (/qEW2)

139 There is also a big, fat moth that looks like a small hummingbird which feeds like the hummingbirds do with a long snout they stick into flowers and feeders.
They will clean out a feeder pretty quick.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy

Are the moths mainly nocturnal? I needed to fill the feeder once a week for the past two months, now it's about every 4 days. I know that the hummers are bulking up (HA!) for the migration south, but the way they've been going thru it they must be sloshing.

Posted by: Bruce at August 13, 2017 08:11 AM (8ikIW)

140 Either I have the worlds hungriest 3 hummingbirds, or I've got bats coming to the nectar feeder at night. I guess I'll have to find out tonite.
Posted by: Bruce

Amazon sometimes sells a tiny hummingbird cam that attaches to a feeder and takes pictures like a trailcam. A friend bought it a couple of years ago for around $20-$25 and discovered that swarms of honeybees were eating everything when they weren't looking.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at August 13, 2017 08:12 AM (B9t7n)

141 But just FOR< I think Go'd intention is to make us more like Christ and to encourage others to be part of God's kingdom We may be blessed by God by material things for a purpose so that we can bless others, but so much of "name it and claim it theology is a gimme, gimme materialistic theology

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 13, 2017 08:12 AM (iVOAv)

142 'It's not my intention to argue with someone who doesn't believe in God.'

If you are referring to me you are mistaken. I just don't think that God responds to requests for blessings like a vending machine.

Posted by: freaked at August 13, 2017 08:13 AM (BO/km)

143 And when only one "side" is expected to obtain and obey permits (the law), and the other "side" is allowed to do what they want and is somehow the victim when they arrive solely to engage?

This country is screwed. There won't be any easy way out of it, either.

Posted by: Moron Robbie, Not Quite as Low-IQ as Michael Obama, But Not as Smart as Some Birds at August 13, 2017 08:13 AM (psH+N)

144 Prob'ly zombies, Bruce.
Posted by: Mama AJ

I'm not a follower of zombies. I thought they mainly ate brains.

Posted by: Bruce at August 13, 2017 08:13 AM (8ikIW)

145 >>>People who actually live in Charlottesville are the only ones allowed to protest?

Given that it's a decision by the town of Charlottesville that only affects Charlottesville, pretty much yeah.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 13, 2017 08:14 AM (VRYbd)

146 G'morning, all.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 13, 2017 08:15 AM (J+eG2)

147 'Given that it's a decision by the town of Charlottesville that only affects Charlottesville, pretty much yeah.'

Too bad the left doesn't play by those rules.

Posted by: freaked at August 13, 2017 08:16 AM (BO/km)

148 Posted by: freaked at August 13, 2017 08:13 AM (BO/km)

Oh, then my mistake. I*n that we are in agreement and I apologize. I don't think we're supposes to sit around wait for blessings although many blessing come unasked. and we should recognize them and give thanks We have to do our part too. i just see "NIACI" as an entitlement theology: "I believe in you, God. Now there's my Mercedes Benz?"

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 13, 2017 08:16 AM (iVOAv)

149 I think it is because the Charlotteville's police were ordered to stand down (by their mayor?) and let the non-permitted protesters attack the permitted protesters and the cops disappeared when the fighting started. And this mayor who probably ordered it has a very strong history of only letting his homies speak in council meetings and giving city money to Obama political groups.

If true, then like all of these riots the blames rests on the shoulders of politicians who are backing these leftist groups. I saw a video clip on one of the black clad antifa twerps with his face bloodied and he was running like a rabbit. Not so tough when the other side fights back

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 13, 2017 08:16 AM (auHtY)

150 Are the moths mainly nocturnal? I needed to fill the feeder once a week for the past two months, now it's about every 4 days. I know that the hummers are bulking up (HA!) for the migration south, but the way they've been going thru it they must be sloshing.
Posted by: Bruce at August 13, 2017 08:11 AM (8ikIW)

Yup....I only see them from dusk onward. The semi-feral cats around here grab them once in a while at night too. Big, fat moth that from a distance looks just like a hummingbird but doesn't dart back and forth as fast.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 13, 2017 08:17 AM (5VlCp)

151 Either I have the worlds hungriest 3 hummingbirds, or I've got bats coming to the nectar feeder at night. I guess I'll have to find out tonite.
Posted by: Bruce
-------

Do you have bears there?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 13, 2017 08:17 AM (kusha)

152 148-Now "where's" my Mecedes-Benz

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 13, 2017 08:17 AM (iVOAv)

153 'many blessing come unasked.'

My life is real evidence of that and for that I am grateful.

Posted by: freaked at August 13, 2017 08:18 AM (BO/km)

154 Local news interviewed a woman who was at the Charlottesville protest.

She blamed everything on the evil White Supremacists.

All while wearing an "America was never great" ball cap during the interview.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 13, 2017 08:18 AM (J+eG2)

155 I have to get ready for church but Rev just told me he is specifically by name going to pray for Trump and Pence from the pulpit today, reading from 1 Timothy 2:1-3

"Therefore I exhort first of all that you make supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings for everyone, - for kings and for all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceful life in all godliness and honesty, for this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior".

Rev will pray that they walk in wisdom, and that they be protected from those who would harm them, both at home and abroad.

He has prayed similarly before, but I don't think he's actually used the words 'President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence', so we'll see how that is received.

Posted by: grammie winger - when I was younger so much younger than today at August 13, 2017 08:18 AM (lwiT4)

156 Do you have bears there?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.

Just the ones in Chicago...about 60 miles from here, so nothing to worry about

Posted by: Bruce at August 13, 2017 08:18 AM (8ikIW)

157 It's disturbing to see people defending Nazi/KKK types no matter the circumstances and the opposition. 2 wrongs , or 2 wrong sides, don't make a right.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 13, 2017 08:19 AM (SjImc)

158 NYT reporter on Twitter actually says:

>>The hard left seemed as hate-filled as alt-right. I saw club-wielding "antifa" beating white nationalists being led out of the park

and

>>Among my unanswered questions: police response. Why did things get out of hand so quickly? Could violence have been prevented?

Immediately jumped on for saying Antifa is hateful, backs down, and says they were just violent and "standing up to hate".

https://twitter.com/SherylNYT/with_replies

Posted by: Mama AJ at August 13, 2017 08:20 AM (wwL6Q)

159
If you come to 'counter-protest' I don't know why you have to cover your face.

If you come to commit acts of violence, perhaps set another human on fire, and don't wish to be recognized then sure, you're going to cover your face.

I may find the person waving a Nazi flag reprehensible, but I don't see them covering their face.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at August 13, 2017 08:21 AM (EgwCt)

160 Chinese authorities have announced plans to create a national reputation index. Under the scheme everyone will receive a virtue score based on observable behavior.

===

Gnu, the North Korean system of social control is based on such a score, but it is forbidden to discuss them.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 13, 2017 08:21 AM (EZebt)

161 For the record, f*ck nazis and the KKK. I'm very pro- rule of law and support it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie, Not Quite as Low-IQ as Michael Obama, But Not as Smart as Some Birds at August 13, 2017 08:21 AM (psH+N)

162 'Global temperatures COOLER now than when Gore won Nobel Prize in 2007'

Good. Al Bore should go hug a Polar Bear.

Posted by: freaked at August 13, 2017 08:21 AM (BO/km)

163 Posted by: grammie winger - when I was younger so much younger than today at August 13, 2017 08:18 AM (lwiT4)

Good!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 13, 2017 08:22 AM (iVOAv)

164 >>. I thought they mainly ate brains.

Well, some of them aren't on the low carb kick and like sweetened brains.

Or so I've heard.

Posted by: Mama AJ at August 13, 2017 08:22 AM (wwL6Q)

165 Infor wars (I know! I know!) says the White Nationalists were corralled (sp) on three sides by blockades so that they were forced to move towards the Profa people.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 13, 2017 08:23 AM (iVOAv)

166 Well, some of them aren't on the low carb kick and like sweetened brains.

Or so I've heard.
Posted by: Mama AJ

Mmmm. Like caramelized bacon.

Posted by: Bruce at August 13, 2017 08:23 AM (8ikIW)

167 It's disturbing to see people defending Nazi/KKK types no matter the circumstances and the opposition. 2 wrongs , or 2 wrong sides, don't make a right.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 13, 2017 08:19 AM (SjImc)

I think you went a little over the top here.

Either you support the rule of law for all,
or ???

Were they legal ?

Posted by: dDan at August 13, 2017 08:24 AM (hwYmz)

168 SPORTS
Marshawn Lynch sits during national anthem at Raiders preseason game

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 13, 2017 08:25 AM (SjImc)

169 Obviously it would be preferable if folks promoting a more traditional American point of view were standing up to the Left, but they mostly seem to want to sit back and tut tut while we are overrun. So I blame their cowardice for the crappy choice here.

Posted by: Methos

Well put. That's kind of my take. The antifas of today are not as dangerous as the Nazis, or the Klan of the '40s and '50s. But the antifas of today are more dangerous than today's neo-Nazis or Klan. I think one of the left's strategies in Kafkatrapping is historical conflation or confusion. If some white people did horrible things to some black people 100 years ago, this can be "made right" by allowing some black people today do horrible things to some white people, and looking the other way. Even though the blacks today were not wronged in any way.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at August 13, 2017 08:25 AM (/qEW2)

170 Good morning, Horde. An exceptionally good carafe of coffee this morning. I hope y'all have a good day!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 13, 2017 08:27 AM (DMUuz)

171 Even though the blacks today were not wronged in any way.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear

That right there is a microaggression you racist bastard.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at August 13, 2017 08:27 AM (B9t7n)

172 I think you went a little over the top here.

Either you support the rule of law for all,
or ???

Were they legal ?
Posted by: dDan at August 13, 2017 08:24 AM (hwYmz)

Crap no i did not. I find all Nazi/KKK types reprehensible PERIOD. If town gave them the right to might, so be it, let them march. That is on the town. That is rule of law. Does not mean I have to sugar coat who they are or what they stand for. They are scum and against all I stand for

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 13, 2017 08:27 AM (SjImc)

173
I drive a good wood green 1967 Corvette. Gonna wash Simonize it today while shirtless.

Posted by: Joe Biden at August 13, 2017 06:19 AM (bc2Lc)

Nah. Slow Joe drives the Trans Am that Navin Johnson drove in The Jerk.

Posted by: Ahab at August 13, 2017 08:28 AM (oVJmc)

174 Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 13, 2017 08:27 AM (SjImc)

Appreciate response.

Posted by: dDan at August 13, 2017 08:30 AM (hwYmz)

175 Puppy just finished his breakfast of skinless duck back.
He is now licking me either in gratitude or as dessert.

Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at August 13, 2017 08:31 AM (hMwEB)

176 @70
I do, and it is.

Posted by: Pep at August 13, 2017 08:31 AM (LAe3v)

177 It's disturbing to see people defending Nazi/KKK types no matter the
circumstances and the opposition. 2 wrongs , or 2 wrong sides, don't
make a right.
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I find it more disturbing you think they lose their right to free speech just because you don't like them.

Their ideas are annoying and unhelpful, but aren't going anywhere (because while I defend their right to express themselves, I'm not marching under a swastika and a very much doubt any of the rest of us would).

BLM/Antifa are the enemy who seek to (further) enslave us, and they have the government's support.

Posted by: Methos at August 13, 2017 08:31 AM (XQvuQ)

178 AntiFA = anti first amendment

Posted by: Taqyia2Me @ Intersectionality of Deplorable & Irredeemable at August 13, 2017 08:31 AM (Ftuf+)

179 People are allowed to protest, even people with causes you disagree with or find reprehensible.

It's the cine quo non of the 1st amendment.

What happened yesterday was engineered by the puppet masters to move the ratchet further left.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 13, 2017 08:32 AM (9A6UB)

180 The national TV news channels are nothing if not consistent. I saw a lot of this yesterday:

1. ~~"We may never know his motives"~~ is now "He came here with hate in his heart"

2. ~~"He acted alone"~~ is now "This was part of a larger conspiracy"

3. ~~"He is not representative of all Islam"~~ is now "Everybody on the right is a racist"

4. ~~"The President should not denounce Islam-- in order to avoid backlash against moderate muslims."~~ is now "The President must denounce him and the larger group--or risk losing any remaining credibility left in this administration and impeachment."

Posted by: Muldoon at August 13, 2017 08:33 AM (wPiJc)

181 One hallmark of a scam, in terms of a debate or social issue, is the principle of a false choice e.g. there are only two possibilities "Here, pick one."

It's difficult for me to get this point across, but we're seeing this here. The leftist talking points are skillfully handled by the large media outlets. The klan with the tan is as racist as Bull Connor ever was. Everything is turned upside down.

Posted by: Common Tater at August 13, 2017 08:33 AM (Mw7bJ)

182 I find it more disturbing you think they lose their right to free speech just because you don't like them.

Their ideas are annoying and unhelpful, but aren't going anywhere (because while I defend their right to express themselves, I'm not marching under a swastika and a very much doubt any of the rest of us would).

BLM/Antifa are the enemy who seek to (further) enslave us, and they have the government's support.
Posted by: Methos at August 13, 2017 08:31 AM (XQvuQ)

Where did I say they should lose their right to free speech? If the town gave them a permit, so be it. Let them march. Does not mean I have to support them . And it was one of theirs that killed 1 and wounded 20+ others. They are scum and should not be defended in any way or form no matter if their opposition are also scum.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 13, 2017 08:35 AM (SjImc)

183 Me:
I find it more disturbing you think they lose their right to free speech just because you don't like them.

Nevergiveup:
Crap no i did not. I find all Nazi/KKK types reprehensible PERIOD.
If town gave them the right to might, so be it, let them march. That is
on the town. That is rule of law.
---
Clarification/correction noted and appreciated.

Posted by: Methos at August 13, 2017 08:35 AM (XQvuQ)

184 the blames rests on the shoulders of politicians who are backing these leftist groups"

Chance that someone in C'vill government was in constant communication with BLM/Afat?

100 percent.

Why are dim cities such cesspools of violence? (to steal a quote)

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at August 13, 2017 08:35 AM (MINbv)

185 I'm seeing in half a dozen news sources that the role of anyone involved in yesterday's debacle in Charlottesville that was not a "white nationalist" is being described as "peaceful".

Posted by: Notorious BFD at August 13, 2017 08:36 AM (Tyii7)

186 AntiFA = anti first amendment

Posted by: Taqyia2Me @ Intersectionality of Deplorable & Irredeemable at August 13, 2017 08:31 AM (Ftuf+)

They are anti-American and the bully boys of the left and bastards like Soros. We're supposed to be cowed into submission by a bunch of limp wristed twats who are allowed to get away with mayhem. I mentioned earlier I saw video of one of those twats with his face bloodied running for his life. They're aren't so tough outside of Berkeley or Seattle

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 13, 2017 08:36 AM (auHtY)

187 BB reported that the clashes started on Friday night with the police standing around letting the two groups have at it, So yes, this was a failure on the part of the police and city government because a state of emergency had already been declared.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 13, 2017 08:37 AM (NahmB)

188 And I am sick of the RINOs who are no defending PDT. They are letting the Left and the MSM blame this on PDT.

There was nothing wrong with PDT's statement yesterday.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 13, 2017 08:37 AM (SjImc)

189 Child #1: Did you see the protest in Virginia yesterday?

Child #2: Yup.

Child #1: Did you learn anything?

Child #2: Yup. If someone holds a viewpoint that I don't like, it's OK for me to beat the shit out of them with a baseball bat. All while wearing a mask to hide my identity.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 13, 2017 08:37 AM (J+eG2)

190 My much younger. 30ish, neighbor came over yesterday and cut up a large branch that had come down from my tree on Friday. He knows that I am recovering from surgery and my wife was out of town yesterday. We were going to tackle it today, but this was so nice of him. He's a bourbon drinker so I guess I'll go shopping tomorrow and get him something good.

Does Val-u-rite make a bourbon?

Posted by: Bruce at August 13, 2017 08:38 AM (8ikIW)

191 there was some word yesterday that the guy in the car was just trying to drive down the road and the BLM crowd started attacking his car, which he then just rammed through them."

That's raycisss. Every white person should yield the street/give up their cars.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at August 13, 2017 08:38 AM (MINbv)

192 Driver was a 20 year old from Ohio? Has there been any reportage of who he is or his affiliations? That's college age- is he a student at the U. or in town for some other reason? Does anybody have a good link?

Posted by: Muldoon at August 13, 2017 08:39 AM (wPiJc)

193 i just see "NIACI" as an entitlement theology: "I believe in you, God. Now there's my Mercedes Benz?"

Posted by: FenelonSpoke

Hey. Worked for me.

Posted by: Joel "Dr. Teeth" Osteen at August 13, 2017 08:40 AM (/qEW2)

194 @ Nevergiveup

I reckon to be fair and honest:

With the speed current and future laws can be manipulated and passed, the rule of law statement I made has a good basis but needs some more work.

I'll do another shot or three and give it some thought.

Posted by: dDan at August 13, 2017 08:40 AM (hwYmz)

195 Frankly, the truth of the matter is that at this point, most of us DON'T know what happened in Charlottesville yesterday.

We have been fed a lot of disjointed reports.

But I will draw two conclusions from what people have publicly said.

1) Nobody is afraid of the collection of marchers called "white nationalists", because as of yet, they haven't done anything scary. Nobody really likes them or anything they allegedly stand for.But they are convenient scapegoats for the Media.

2) Most people are afraid of the Leftist - Antifa group, as you can tell who has been made to back down and equivocate, like the NY Times reporter on Twitter.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at August 13, 2017 08:41 AM (S6Pax)

196 "We're watching the opening shots of a civil war in
the left. and as usual its between Socialists and Fascists. We need to
stop saying this event was between Left and Right and show it for what
it truly is.

Posted by: Iblis

No matter how frustrated they get because of all the anti-white laws and white privilege narrative crap, it makes no sense to side with anything Nazi like.

"White Nationalist" has some point in that despite Kennedy's 1965 promise that his open borders immigration would not change demographics, white America is indeed being displaced by the third world as a matter of policy. (see Europe) But America First for Americans is the way to go, returning to the founders writings on liberty.

But anti-FA riots in Berkeley just to stop little Ann Coulter from speaking. Perhaps a Sessions investigation will find the Soros (and other agitators tied to democrats) money funding those having their civil rights denied by that fascist group. Clearly the norm for the left is to shut down speech by "conservatives", (though in this case media managed to frame 200 Nazi nuts as representing Trump and all those "deplorables", and commie antiFA as freedom fighters)

Supposedly there was some court order to force the city to allow the protest march (a first amendment "civil right" I guess). By allowing a malicious so called "counter-protest" to march without permit with clear intent (and history of malice) to cause a ruckus/riot ... the mayor/police chief were subverting that court order.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 13, 2017 08:41 AM (7Ep0P)

197 @192 Judging from his mug shot, he is not a student. Not a mensa candidate.

Posted by: Pep at August 13, 2017 08:41 AM (LAe3v)

198 Why are dim cities such cesspools of violence? (to steal a quote)
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at August 13, 2017 08:35 AM (MINbv)

It's all the politicians in charge of these zoos have to offer to the largely ignorant people who make up their base. Other than sniffing LeBron's jockstrap or worrying about a college's football team of a school they never attended, violence is the mobs relief from having to live in the shit holes of their own making.

Jock sniffing, drugs, rap, gambling, sex and violence is their element they live in 24/7.

Paging Maxine Waters. Momma Maxie to the black hot line please.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 13, 2017 08:42 AM (5VlCp)

199 Does anybody have a good link?"

Nah. He's white, so guilty of something. If he's a student at UVA, that's over...

Meanwhile, the VA GOP is still fumbling over who's next in seniority to run for Gov. After all, having a good candidate just isn't that important...

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at August 13, 2017 08:42 AM (MINbv)

200 Republicans are demanding THIS car wreck be deemed a terrorist attack.

Republicans.

Posted by: Moron Robbie, Not Quite as Low-IQ as Michael Obama, But Not as Smart as Some Birds at August 13, 2017 08:43 AM (psH+N)

201 The White Supremacists and KKK types do have a right to free speech and to assemble, but they came spoiling for a fight. They should be condemned for this, but this does not absolve the ANTIFA's and counter-protestors who also arrived with the specific intent of causing violence. They are more responsible for the chaos and they should also be condemned. Lastly, the city of Charlottesville holds significant blame. They could have approved the permit, made a small announcement and left it alone, no, they got all righteously indignant, trumpeting this event and ensuring that the media and counter-protestors were there to create carnage.

President Trump should be calling out the city and Commonwealth for their complicity in creating the conditions for the riots to occur.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared, Americans don't Serf at August 13, 2017 08:43 AM (DxWUs)

202 it makes no sense to side with anything Nazi like."

Of course not. Socialism isn't admirable in any sense.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at August 13, 2017 08:44 AM (MINbv)

203 and to assemble, but they came spoiling for a fight."

Proof?

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at August 13, 2017 08:45 AM (MINbv)

204 When can we stop focusing on the operator of the vehicle, and get back to the real issue to society?

Does anyone really need a car with a 300 HP engine?

And a hood that goes up?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 13, 2017 08:45 AM (J+eG2)

205 Good morning all! Looks like all dispute about removing Confederate monuments has been resolved and part of our shared history will now be erased in the name of safety.

Heckler's veto is the current method. Don't know why a permit was issued by the city when they knew darned good and well it would be a magnet for problems and they didn't withdraw the permit until the expected groups to protest the protesters showed up.

Disgusting display on all sides.

Posted by: mustbequantum at August 13, 2017 08:45 AM (MIKMs)

206 Driver was a 20 year old from Ohio? Has there been any reportage of who he is or his affiliations? That's college age- is he a student at the U. or in town for some other reason? Does anybody have a good link?
Posted by: Muldoon at August 13, 2017 08:39 AM (wPiJc)

All I saw is he is from Ohio and a registered Republican

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 13, 2017 08:46 AM (SjImc)

207 President Trump should be calling out the city and Commonwealth for their complicity in creating the conditions for the riots to occur.
Posted by: The Mouse that Roared, Americans don't Serf at August 13, 2017 08:43 AM (DxWUs)

And this crap of destroying American Monuments and American History must STOP.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 13, 2017 08:47 AM (SjImc)

208 Lee was personally against slavery, but he was loyal to his community. So I'm not sure why the left would target him of all people. But let's say that he did horrible things. The antifa argument seems to be, "If this statue represents a person who did horrible things, it should be torn down". Well, in that case MLK did some horrible things. He was an adulterer and a plagiarist. So I guess we should tear down all statues of him.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at August 13, 2017 08:47 AM (/qEW2)

209 197,

Nowadays many in college are not anyway near to being "mensa candidates" and most of those are on the left. So far I've not seen much about this guy which is unusual for the media unless there is something there they are working to hide.

I expect time will clear things up but by then the "conventional wisdom" that is the left's narrative will have been set in "soda can" cement in the minds of many.

Posted by: geoffb5 at August 13, 2017 08:48 AM (d3wbb)

210 Does anyone believe that the mob will be sated with simply removing historical symbols of the old confederacy? It's only a short hop from the stars and bars to Old Glory, as it were, in their minds. We saw this as far back as the 1990s, those expressing concerns about the constitutionality of a given policy were dismissed out of hand. Any sort of historical context has been expunged from public discourse. It is quite remarkable. Their rhetoric has been clarified since that time, Pelosi's "Are you serious?" comment for example, when asked about Barkycare. There is no pretense of debate, one is simply a Bad Person, irredeemable even, for suggesting certain ideas, or express___ a concern.

Posted by: Common Tater at August 13, 2017 08:48 AM (Mw7bJ)

211 Heckler's veto is the current method. Don't know why a permit was issued by the city when they knew darned good and well it would be a magnet for problems and they didn't withdraw the permit until the expected groups to protest the protesters showed up.

Disgusting display on all sides.
Posted by: mustbequantum

The Antifa types are just young stupid people wound up to go out and confront. The people behind them are running some kind of national psyop campaign, with the knowing or unknowing assistance of the Media.
None of this is casual happenstance.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at August 13, 2017 08:48 AM (S6Pax)

212 Contrary to popular opinion the Civil War was not only about slavery.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 13, 2017 08:49 AM (SjImc)

213 www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/12/ohio-man-20-
identified-as-suspect-who-drove-car-into-charlottesville-
protesters.amp.html

--

Was apparently with Vanguard Whatever in the march.

So what happens when we learn that he was getting ready to drive home, suddenly feared for his life because of the peaceful/illegal antifa group, and was just trying to survive? What then?

Posted by: Moron Robbie, Not Quite as Low-IQ as Michael Obama, But Not as Smart as Some Birds at August 13, 2017 08:51 AM (psH+N)

214 203
and to assemble, but they came spoiling for a fight."

Proof?

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at August 13, 2017 08:45 AM (MINbv)

Discounting the clowns who came bearing long guns and empty plate carriers, the White Supremacists and KKK came with weapons and protective equipment. They knew there would be violence and they were prepared for it. Proof is in the pictures and videos. There is no innocent side here.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared, Americans don't Serf at August 13, 2017 08:51 AM (DxWUs)

215 It is my understanding the "Unite the Right" group had one march cancelled and went to court and won the case so they were issued the permit.

Again, this is all local government failure.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 13, 2017 08:51 AM (NahmB)

216
The Antifa types are just young stupid people wound up to go out and confront. The people behind them are running some kind of national psyop campaign, with the knowing or unknowing assistance of the Media.
None of this is casual happenstance.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at August 13, 2017 08:48 AM (S6Pax)

The bulk of the left wing is behind this movement and BLM. The bulk of "Deplorable" America, meaning us, is NOT behind the KKK and Nazi Party. THAT is the difference

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 13, 2017 08:51 AM (SjImc)

217
Does anyone really need a car with a 300 HP engine?

And a hood that goes up?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice
----------

No. Anything with less than 325 hp is almost pointless.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 13, 2017 08:51 AM (OdK9v)

218 Our tax dollars at work, all the way around.

Posted by: Common Tater at August 13, 2017 08:54 AM (Mw7bJ)

219 Proof is in the pictures and videos"

Been watching lots of pics and vids. I've seen lots of masked fools with bats, hammers, sticks, bottles, etc.

I suspect that those with permits believed the City of C'ville would not protect them. Turns out to have been correct.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at August 13, 2017 08:55 AM (MINbv)

220 One hallmark of a scam, in terms of a debate or social issue, is the principle of a false choice e.g. there are only two possibilities "Here, pick one."

It's difficult for me to get this point across, but we're seeing this here.
...
Posted by: Common Tater

How about "if you disagree that historical monuments are being destroyed, you're agreeing with the white supremacists over there" "If you disagree that antifa and BLM have the right to 'protest' conservative gatherings, then you are agreeing with the white supremacists over there".

Very easy to see through, but our craven, yellow politicians don't trust us to see through it.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at August 13, 2017 08:56 AM (/qEW2)

221 I'll trade weight for horsepower every time. 200 hp in a 2000lb car is a revelation.

Posted by: Moron Robbie, Not Quite as Low-IQ as Michael Obama, But Not as Smart as Some Birds at August 13, 2017 08:56 AM (psH+N)

222 "No. Anything with less than 325 hp is almost pointless."

* gazes at 55 HP 1957 Fiat on stands in the shop *

We're gonna need a bigger hamster.

Posted by: freaked at August 13, 2017 08:57 AM (BO/km)

223 NGU- exactly.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 13, 2017 08:57 AM (NahmB)

224 Either I have the worlds hungriest 3 hummingbirds, or I've got bats coming to the nectar feeder at night.

*****

City Ordinance #372-A16: "Purveyors of sugary drinks within city limits shall be subject to imprisonment of up to 10 days in jail and/or a fine of not less than $500"

Please report to City Hall by 9:00 am Monday morning for your arraignment.

Posted by: Muldoon at August 13, 2017 08:57 AM (wPiJc)

225 No. Anything with less than 325 hp is almost pointless.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 13, 2017 08:51 AM (OdK9v)

Was just thinking......do you know how big a 450 hp electric motor is?

Posted by: BignJames at August 13, 2017 08:58 AM (x9c8r)

226 You race horsepower. You drive torque.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 13, 2017 08:59 AM (R3Kyj)

227 26 The media will paint those idiot 'white supremacist ' as the main stream DT supporters
Posted by: Skip at August 13, 2017 06:04 AM (pPKG5)

But of course. Narrative Uber Alles.

Posted by: rickl at August 13, 2017 09:00 AM (sdi6R)

228 I'll trade weight for horsepower every time. 200 hp in a 2000lb car is a revelation.
Posted by: Moron Robbie
-----------

Hmm. Well, my Triumph weighs around 435lbs. and makes 110 hp.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 13, 2017 09:00 AM (OdK9v)

229 When can we stop focusing on the operator of the vehicle, and get back to the real issue to society?

Does anyone really need a car with a 300 HP engine?

And a hood that goes up?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice

Well, if Mr. Fields had been driving a Smart Car, he'd probably wouldn't have survived the mob.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at August 13, 2017 09:00 AM (/qEW2)

230 "if you disagree that historical monuments are being destroyed, you're agreeing with the white supremacists over there"

Indeed. Sad times.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at August 13, 2017 09:00 AM (MINbv)

231 The NYT has a column by some or if on why women had better sex live in East Europe under communism. Things like free day care, ful workforce participation etc...Hard to believe so much left wing stupid could be packed into a couple thousand words. Of course, it is aimed at today's dumbed-down citizens who know little if anything about the Cold War so it probably is read with approval by the lemmings.

Posted by: Ripley at August 13, 2017 09:01 AM (NbRJx)

232 I think it is not that any Confederate memorials or statutes are being removed is the point.

It is that real history, our history, is being removed right before our eyes and we are being told it is a good thing and to shut up about it or your a racist.

Right.

So when does the revisionism (big college word) end?

When enough people are either killed or in jail.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 13, 2017 09:01 AM (5VlCp)

233
Was just thinking......do you know how big a 450 hp electric motor is?
Posted by: BignJames
---------

These days, no. But I have seen some HUGE old open frame motors that were in the 50 hp range.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 13, 2017 09:02 AM (OdK9v)

234 The media will paint those idiot 'white supremacist ' as the main stream DT supporters
Posted by: Skip at August 13, 2017 06:04 AM (pPKG5)

Will?

They already have big time. Don't ya know we are all "Deplorables"?

That statement by The FAB was not a mistake...THAT is exactly how they all feel about us

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 13, 2017 09:03 AM (SjImc)

235 Book thread up

Posted by: Insomniac at August 13, 2017 09:04 AM (0mRoj)

236 " They knew there would be violence and they were
prepared for it. Proof is in the pictures and videos. There is no
innocent side here. " Posted by: The Mouse that Roared, Americans don't Serf

They knew they would be attacked is different than they were planning to start the fight. As someone said, it seems the city itself paved the path for antiFA to march in with weapons with intent to assault.

Most of what they repeated forever on TV looked like "girl fighting", lots of pushing and shoving, an occasional punch and retreat. Then the 20 year old nut rams with his car. (he had clear road, and could have turned off but chose to plow down and hit the mob ... but he could have floored it, instead went pretty slow ... guess he wanted to escape)

The best tactical choice would have been for the white supremacist nuts to dress normal and do a peaceful rally, and let antiFA show up and be violent. AntiFA seems to be under orders to taunt and do more minor violence, but mostly try to provoke a reaction. (the Soros types were surely cheering when they saw the car attack ... that is what they try to provoke ... on both sides actually. O'Keefe caught them funding such tactics against Trump)

Posted by: illiniwek at August 13, 2017 09:05 AM (7Ep0P)

237 Discounting the clowns who came bearing long guns and empty plate carriers, the White Supremacists and KKK came with weapons and protective equipment. They knew there would be violence and they were prepared for it. Proof is in the pictures and videos. There is no innocent side here.
Posted by: The Mouse that Roared, Americans don't Serf at August 13, 2017 08:51 AM (DxWUs)

Being prepared for violence and instigating violence are two different things. I lawfully carry concealed weapons everywhere I go. I am prepared for violence. That does not make me guilty if I fight back against attackers.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 13, 2017 09:07 AM (0mRoj)

238 Hmm. Well, my Triumph weighs around 435lbs. and makes 110 hp.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 13, 2017 09:00 AM (OdK9v)

---

Bikes are an entirely different animal. My CB1000 is similar. She's a big girl, but she carries her weight well (550 lbs or so wet). There are better performers in the garage, but none I like better.

Posted by: Moron Robbie, Not Quite as Low-IQ as Michael Obama, But Not as Smart as Some Birds at August 13, 2017 09:07 AM (psH+N)

239 My wife will actually ride in the cars, too.

Posted by: Moron Robbie, Not Quite as Low-IQ as Michael Obama, But Not as Smart as Some Birds at August 13, 2017 09:08 AM (psH+N)

240 It's definitely a stark dichotomy. There is absolutely no room for discussion on the left. They have their talking points, and ANY deviation from their pronouncements is proof positive of a hateful person. One cannot hold a reasoned, carefully considered opinion contrary to their opinions arrived at through facts, logic and reason. No, one is simply irredeemably deplorable.

"You're racist!"
"No I'm not."
"See! This proves it!"

We are being bullied by fucking adult children, and the Amazing Spineless Republicans fall for it Every Time.

Posted by: Common Tater at August 13, 2017 09:09 AM (Mw7bJ)

241 "Well, if Mr. Fields had been driving a Smart Car, he'd probably wouldn't have survived the mob.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear

a smart car wouldn't have hit the people or the cars.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 13, 2017 09:10 AM (7Ep0P)

242 The best tactical choice would have been for the white supremacist nuts to dress normal and do a peaceful rally, and let antiFA show up and be violent. AntiFA seems to be under orders to taunt and do more minor violence, but mostly try to provoke a reaction. (the Soros types were surely cheering when they saw the car attack ... that is what they try to provoke ... on both sides actually. O'Keefe caught them funding such tactics against Trump)
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Well putting on the conspiratorial tin-foil hat on for the moment, and purposes of argument, who is to say the "Unite the Right" white nationalists aren't on the payroll too? Years ago the joke going around about subversive groups (and I live in the north, the klan doesn't exist) "How to spot the FBI informant?"

"He's the one who offers to bring the dynamite."

In that sense we're witnessing textbook agitation, if remotely true.

Posted by: Common Tater at August 13, 2017 09:13 AM (Mw7bJ)

243 >>I think it is not that any Confederate memorials or statutes are being removed is the point.

It is that real history, our history, is being removed right before
our eyes and we are being told it is a good thing and to shut up about
it or your a racist.

Yeah, it's the daily anti-white talk, the college courses on "eliminating whiteness" and the college professor who announce their focus is on teaching white students about their privilege (i.e. to be ashamed of being white, feel guilt). That's sounding a lot closer to genocide. Imagine any other race in place of "white" and it would be a very big scandal - and rightly so. It has turned ugly.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 13, 2017 09:14 AM (NOIQH)

244 Years ago the joke going around about subversive groups (and I live in the north, the klan doesn't exist)

Actually, one of the supposed enclaves for White Supremacists is Idaho.

Just ask Ace...if you dare.

LOL.

Posted by: Ahab at August 13, 2017 09:16 AM (oVJmc)

245 Whatever you do, don't draw attention to the "game."

If you want to play "Antifa" - that's OK. If you want to play "Nazi" that's OK too.

If you expose the scam, that we're all being played, to fight amongst ourselves - that's definitely NOT ok.

Posted by: Common Tater at August 13, 2017 09:17 AM (Mw7bJ)

246 Since I am old, I remember the Skokie march. Lines and lines of grim-faced policemen backs to the marchers, protecting their 1st Amendment right to be disgusting fools/tools. I was actually proud of the Chicago cops that day -- and there has never been much to applaud in Chicago law enforcement.

Contrast yesterdays clusterscrew.

For some reason, the 'romance' of protesting/rioting is encouraged right now. As someone is very busy funding erasing history, something has to give.

As our previous President talked about Muslims at the founding of our country, the Tripoli slavers have been erased.

Posted by: mustbequantum at August 13, 2017 09:19 AM (MIKMs)

247 Years ago, basic training, a roommate from the south tried to convince me that the Klan was just a basic civics organization, like the Jaycees or the Rotary club or somesuch. LOL. Maybe, but Good Luck with that.

Posted by: Common Tater at August 13, 2017 09:21 AM (Mw7bJ)

248 Being prepared for violence and instigating violence
are two different things. I lawfully carry concealed weapons everywhere
I go. I am prepared for violence. That does not make me guilty if I
fight back against attackers.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 13, 2017 09:07 AM (0mRoj)

I carry also, either my S and W MP Shield 40 or my Springfield XD-M 9. Both are small and easily concealed. I am not going out in full tactical gear with a long gun. This isn't Iraq, Afghanistan or Mindanao, where carrying a long gun and a sidearm was necessary. I am a retired Marine and veteran of the GWOT, I don't play one for the television cameras.

If I am forced to display my weapon, it is not just for show or posturing, it is with the full intent of using it. So what was the plan of the "militia" members? Did they assume fighting positions? Did they deploy into fire team formations, or did they just play dress up? Maybe in the woods of wherever they came from they run complex fire and maneuver training exercises, but in the middle of the street they just look like a bunch of idiots.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared, Americans don't Serf at August 13, 2017 09:23 AM (DxWUs)

249 Cui Bono? VA is most likely in agreement that the statue should be removed. Seems that mob rule is easier than actual voting. The mayor of anarchyville is delusional as well.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 13, 2017 09:27 AM (NahmB)

250 113 Non-denom for the win! BibleGateway verse of the day:

“For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.”

Ephesians 2:10
Posted by: grammie winger - when I was younger so much younger than today at August 13, 2017 07:47 AM (lwiT4)

Preach it, grammie!

Aside from a short stint in a charismatic Episcopal church before the priest died and the flock scattered, I’ve been a member of non-denominational churches since my late twenties.

Funny thing is that in the south, non-denominational churches are often Southern Baptist churches that have just dropped the public affiliation with the Southern Baptist Convention. They are often allowed a little more leeway to be, say, a bit more charismatic than the average Southern Baptist church.

I grew up in the Baptist church and come from a long line of Southern Baptists, but the affiliation comes with understandable historical baggage.

Posted by: Michael the Texan at August 13, 2017 09:29 AM (nvMvs)

251 Contrast yesterdays clusterscrew.

For some reason, the 'romance' of protesting/rioting is encouraged right now.

It's a narcissistic fantasy: "We are rebels! We are defenders of the oppressed and marginalized!"

Even Dennis Moore is smarter than they are. He realized reality can be "tricky".

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at August 13, 2017 09:30 AM (/qEW2)

252 "He's the one who offers to bring the dynamite."
In that sense we're witnessing textbook agitation, if remotely true.

Posted by: Common Tater

ha ... yeah, but finding those willing to blow up things is different.

Indeed though, with the FBI and CIA types like Brennan, Clapper (and fixers like Comey and Mueller?), it seems the globalists are the subversives that have penetrated our institutions, and are coordinating to take down the duly elected "drain the swamp" president.

using the race card is their old standby method, along with the other deep state attacks. As noble as they pretend their "new world order" plans are, we shouldn't underestimate all the organized crime, now institutionalized crime, that forms the power basis for the extra-constitutional actions. (e.g. special counsel for no crime witch hunt, Comey leaks, Hillary big money from Russia, secret server ... silence from the FBI until forced to admit, but then cover it up, dismiss it) The Clintons built nefarious connections for decades ... backed by whom?

Posted by: illiniwek at August 13, 2017 09:30 AM (7Ep0P)

253 >>> Contrary to popular opinion the Civil War was not only about slavery.

Does John Mosby know?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 13, 2017 09:35 AM (VRYbd)

254 243
Yeah, it's the daily anti-white talk, the college courses on "eliminating whiteness" and the college professor who announce their focus is on teaching white students about their privilege (i.e. to be ashamed of being white, feel guilt). That's sounding a lot closer to genocide. Imagine any other race in place of "white" and it would be a very big scandal - and rightly so. It has turned ugly.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 13, 2017 09:14 AM (NOIQH)

Yes, and the pushback, when it comes, will be epic. If we're going to be accused of racism no matter what we do, then we might as well go full bore White Pride and White Power.

Posted by: rickl at August 13, 2017 09:36 AM (sdi6R)

255 "Contrary to popular opinion the Civil War was not only about slavery"

Slavery was perhaps the main populist component, used to motivate. But Lincoln stated if keeping them enslaved would win the war he would do that.

Trump says it is too bad Jackson didn't settle it peacefully. I'm too fatigued by the hate and misinformation to delve into it deeply now, but Lincoln acted well outside the constitution, and states' rights were crushed. The northeast elite had profited greatly from the slave trade, and the taxing of the south seemed "invasive".

But indeed, keeping their slaves was a potent part of the basis for secession/war for many of the power figures in the south, and the politicians defended their "peculiar institution" (iirc).

I see that Wikipedia deems "The Outlaw Josey Wales" to be "revisionist history". But no, I think there was a lot of needless slaughter, including those that never owned slaves.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 13, 2017 09:50 AM (7Ep0P)

256 and by "delve into deeply", I mean in studying it myself. My friends in New Orleans are into this since they are having their statues removed. I can't believe 'Lee Circle" had Lee removed. There are books I need to read ... especially since I'm in the land of Saint Lincoln.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 13, 2017 09:54 AM (7Ep0P)

257 This thread is dead and I don't have anything to contribute to the book thread.

It's almost as if I should go do yard work or something. *shudder*

Posted by: rickl at August 13, 2017 10:35 AM (sdi6R)

258 Sessions is a huge mistake.

Posted by: Under Fire at August 13, 2017 10:50 AM (mcI77)

259 I'll trade weight for horsepower every time. 200 hp in a 2000lb car is a revelation.
Get an upgunned Vespa!!!

Posted by: andycanuck at August 13, 2017 10:59 AM (mJ8mX)

260 222
* gazes at 55 HP 1957 Fiat on stands in the shop *

We're gonna need a bigger hamster.

Posted by: freaked at August 13, 2017 08:57
~~~
Brought sweet memories of my father: 60 hp 1962 Renault... often needed to back up hills, hp seemed greater in reverse.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at August 13, 2017 12:16 PM (Roy2Z)

261 168 SPORTS
Marshawn Lynch sits during national anthem at Raiders preseason game

Raiders deserve him. I can't stand the team nor the city.

Posted by: jazzuscounty at August 13, 2017 04:54 PM (r70LM)

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