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Claim: DNC Hack Was Not a Foreign Hack, But Done In-Person By Someone With Access to the System
Via Instapundit, Just One Minute links an article in The Nation claiming a report of intelligence experts says the "hack" wasn't really a remote hack at all, but an internal leak by a DNC official with close physical access to the system.
The Nation isn't at all clear about who it is publishing this report, but it could be a group called Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, who have disputed these claims before. They previously tried to debunk the case for the Iraq War when Bush was President. So they seem left-wing. (RUSSIA!!!) This seems to be the most easily provable or disprovable -- and most dispositive on the subject -- claim being made:There was no hack of the Democratic National Committee’s system on July 5 last year—not by the Russians, not by anyone else. Hard science now demonstrates it was a leak—a download executed locally with a memory key or a similarly portable data-storage device. In short, it was an inside job by someone with access to the DNC’s system. This casts serious doubt on the initial “hack,” as alleged, that led to the very consequential publication of a large store of documents on WikiLeaks last summer.The VIPS group also made this claim on July 24th -- that the speed of the download was not possible over the internet, but could only be accomplished through the computer downloading to a physically-attached external storage device. Their report claimed:
The Key Event July 5, 2016: In the early evening, Eastern Daylight Time, someone working in the EDT time zone with a computer directly connected to the DNC server or DNC Local Area Network, copied ,1,976 MegaBytes of data in 87 seconds onto an external storage device. That speed is much faster than what is physically possible with a hack. It thus appears that the purported "hack" of the DNC by Guccifer 2.0 (the self-proclaimed WikiLeaks source) was not a hack by Russia or anyone else, but was rather a copy of DNC data onto an external storage device.I don't know if that's true -- but it seems easily checkable, and we deserve answers about that. Given The Nation's long, long history of flacking on behalf of Mother Russia, I am suspicious of their interest in disproving a Russia Hack narrative. But, as I said, the case seems to be made upon two checkable facts: How much/how fast information was downloaded, and whether such download speeds are capable via remote hacking, or can only be done through a computer's physical ports. I'd like this either rebutted or admitted by the "intelligence" community.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: andycanuck at August 10, 2017 02:00 PM (mJ8mX)
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 10, 2017 02:01 PM (nKbPK)
Posted by: steevy at August 10, 2017 02:02 PM (rmVvL)
Posted by: andycanuck at August 10, 2017 02:02 PM (mJ8mX)
Posted by: lynndh at August 10, 2017 02:03 PM (N33+S)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 10, 2017 02:03 PM (7ZVPa)
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at August 10, 2017 02:03 PM (0Hwq+)
Posted by: CSMBigBird at August 10, 2017 02:03 PM (jsWA8)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 10, 2017 02:03 PM (fA1SL)
Posted by: DocJ at August 10, 2017 02:03 PM (NYS7S)
Posted by: HH at August 10, 2017 02:03 PM (mIJBI)
She also came out a couple weeks ago and claimed that both Johnson and Comey lied and they never asked for the servers.
I've believed for a long time this is what the Imran Awan thing is all about.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2017 02:03 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: kraken at August 10, 2017 02:04 PM (zSVEm)
Posted by: Moron Robbie, Not Quite as Low-IQ as Michael Obama, But Not as Smart as Some Birds at August 10, 2017 02:04 PM (psH+N)
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 10, 2017 02:04 PM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 10, 2017 02:04 PM (fA1SL)
Posted by: shibumi at August 10, 2017 02:04 PM (aT+Bx)
Posted by: torquewrench at August 10, 2017 02:04 PM (ujwCG)
Posted by: sunny-dee at August 10, 2017 02:04 PM (QZvZn)
Posted by: andycanuck at August 10, 2017 02:04 PM (mJ8mX)
Posted by: Ruth at August 10, 2017 02:04 PM (loZXu)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 10, 2017 02:04 PM (3OIiX)
Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2017 02:04 PM (9TU00)
Re: Speed claim.
Could have been Internet 2.0 connection -- if connected to DNC. They have ridiculous speed.
But the Russians don't get Internet 2.
Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at August 10, 2017 02:05 PM (EgwCt)
Posted by: andycanuck at August 10, 2017 02:05 PM (mJ8mX)
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at August 10, 2017 02:05 PM (CZRJo)
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at August 10, 2017 02:05 PM (0Hwq+)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2017 02:05 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 10, 2017 02:05 PM (Nwg0u)
LOL. Great minds think alike!
Posted by: shibumi at August 10, 2017 02:06 PM (aT+Bx)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 10, 2017 02:06 PM (BWL+E)
Posted by: Roy at August 10, 2017 02:06 PM (7n4KQ)
Posted by: Soona at August 10, 2017 02:06 PM (Fmupd)
Posted by: USNtakim at August 10, 2017 02:06 PM (zZWkn)
Posted by: Mega at August 10, 2017 02:06 PM (CoAxc)
Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2017 02:07 PM (9TU00)
Careful - now you're asking for someone to get math on the blog.
Posted by: DaveA at August 10, 2017 02:07 PM (FhXTo)
Posted by: rickl at August 10, 2017 02:07 PM (xjiRE)
With the left, it could have been just an anti-SJW tweet.
Posted by: Roy at August 10, 2017 02:08 PM (7n4KQ)
Posted by: Mallfly Maddow at August 10, 2017 02:08 PM (ILitO)
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 10, 2017 02:08 PM (Nwg0u)
It looks like a slow motion coup, and this " Deep State" we talk about is operating more and more in the open... with no resistance from Uniparty. It is like an End Game process going on.
Getting late in the day, for putting things right.
Posted by: kraken at August 10, 2017 02:08 PM (zSVEm)
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Wow. So only five days later.
Posted by: Bicentennialguy
Seth Rich was just a random burglary gone wrong.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 10, 2017 02:08 PM (U76Nz)
Posted by: Jack Sock at August 10, 2017 02:08 PM (A6Xv7)
Posted by: Media at August 10, 2017 02:09 PM (7uYFy)
Posted by: Zombie Larry Hagman at August 10, 2017 02:09 PM (bc2Lc)
Sorta like killing Caesar in the Shakespeare play. No one cared until they thought they might get money out of it. (Where is the Will of Caesar? Caesar left you money in his Will. They killed him and took your money.)
Where is Money from DNC? The DNC had Money Galore (Pussy Galore James Bond reference) and would want all to share now that Hillary can never be President. (yay!)
Where is Money from DNC?
Posted by: Mudd at August 10, 2017 02:09 PM (cfHE9)
Posted by: Roy at August 10, 2017 02:09 PM (7n4KQ)
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at August 10, 2017 02:10 PM (hXkPS)
Just like the Hamburg stabbings as I've heard from IQ140 experts here.
Peons.
Posted by: andycanuck at August 10, 2017 02:10 PM (mJ8mX)
Posted by: Algore at August 10, 2017 02:10 PM (398bZ)
Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2017 02:10 PM (9TU00)
"This yields a transfer rate of 22.7 megabytes per second. No Internet service provider, such as a hacker would have had to use in mid-2016, was capable of downloading data at this speed."
I'm just some random idiot with crappy Comcast Internet, and my Internet connection is around 80 Mbps.
Posted by: Color Me Skeptical at August 10, 2017 02:10 PM (75+1T)
Posted by: Mega at August 10, 2017 02:10 PM (CoAxc)
Day-ummmm.
That would take either a direct machine-to-machine connection, or a really fast Ethernet connection on a Local Area Network.
The only way to do that "remotely" is if the target machine had a really powerful "trunk connection" (or whatever they're called) like a T-1 line -- which almost no one does outside of big servers.
But, admittedly, I am no expert. Takes me three minutes down to download one tailpipe fetish porn clip!
Posted by: zombie at August 10, 2017 02:10 PM (DQ4Fv)
Posted by: jwest at August 10, 2017 02:10 PM (Zs4uk)
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 10, 2017 02:10 PM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 02:11 PM (7uYFy)
Posted by: zombie at August 10, 2017 02:11 PM (DQ4Fv)
In most networks, the latter is considerably faster than the former.
Posted by: TB at August 10, 2017 02:11 PM (wNx6K)
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He was murdered by coincidence.
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks
I was repeatedly told it was random.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 10, 2017 02:12 PM (U76Nz)
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And the founder of Wikileaks, living in hiding, offers a signficant reward for the capture of the murderer of random people that they've never met on a daily basis as well.
Posted by: shibumi at August 10, 2017 02:12 PM (aT+Bx)
Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 02:11 PM (7uYFy)
Honestly, Imdon't think so... the Deep State is huge, and well established... McCain is just a tool..
Posted by: kraken at August 10, 2017 02:12 PM (zSVEm)
Oh? Who's being naive Kay.
Posted by: Strobe at August 10, 2017 02:12 PM (gbWkA)
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Yeah. Saturday Night Dead.
Too soon
Posted by: Mega at August 10, 2017 02:13 PM (CoAxc)
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I was also told repeatedly that Islam is a religion of peace and that I have nothing to fear from Barack Obama as president.
Posted by: shibumi at August 10, 2017 02:13 PM (aT+Bx)
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at August 10, 2017 02:13 PM (hXkPS)
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Wow. So only five days later. ?
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Well, these things take a certain amount of time. Gotta get a petition typed up, gotta go through committee . . . .
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 10, 2017 02:13 PM (Nwg0u)
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Yeah. Saturday Night Dead.
Too soon
Posted by: Mega at August 10, 2017 02:13 PM (CoAxc)
No no no. You're thinking of Seth Rogan.
Seth Rich is the actor who makes all those dumb stoner comedies.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 10, 2017 02:14 PM (KUaJL)
Posted by: Imran Awan at August 10, 2017 02:14 PM (3myMJ)
That's not how it really works though.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2017 02:14 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 10, 2017 02:14 PM (KUaJL)
When do we find her in contempt of congress and throw her in the brig?
Posted by: Cicero Boom chicka boom Kaboom! Kid at August 10, 2017 02:15 PM (LjG7N)
Posted by: Jack Sock at August 10, 2017 02:15 PM (A6Xv7)
Upload speed. Most networks are not symmetrical. They are designed to deliver packets from the core to the periphery. So the upload speed - the PC to the LAN to the cloud is what matters. Upload speed usually lags download; unless you're on a circuit purchased for that purpose - like a Russian chat whore.
Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2017 02:15 PM (9TU00)
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 10, 2017 02:16 PM (Nwg0u)
Oh? Who's being naive Kay.
Posted by: Strobe at August 10, 2017 02:12 PM (gbWkA)
Now, that's not a Godfather quote you get to use every day.
Posted by: jwest at August 10, 2017 02:16 PM (Zs4uk)
Thankfully the FBI did an early morning raid of the HQ the next day.
Oh wait, no, that was Manafort, a year later.
At least the FBI did the early morning raid on Hillary when they found out (after six years) that Hillary had a private server. Otherwise she could have wiped her devices or smashed them with hammers.
Wait, WTF .. they never raided Hillary either? It's like the FBI heads are part of the Clinton crime syndicate or something.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 10, 2017 02:16 PM (7Ep0P)
Posted by: TruthforSeth at August 10, 2017 02:16 PM (3aBcq)
Posted by: Jack Sock at August 10, 2017 02:16 PM (A6Xv7)
Unbelievable.
Posted by: Zod at August 10, 2017 02:17 PM (Bdeb0)
DNC has embargoed Fusion GPS and so far, most low-information voters still don't understand that Fusion GPS took money from Russia and paid a foreign intelligence agent to put together the dossier based on reports from Russia.
Posted by: MacGruber at August 10, 2017 02:17 PM (S+el1)
Posted by: IrishEi at August 10, 2017 02:17 PM (HiDrR)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 10, 2017 02:17 PM (fA1SL)
/ (of data in 87seconds)= 181.7 Mbps (50 Mbps is fast home internet)
IDK what average fast commercial speeds are.
Posted by: DaveA at August 10, 2017 02:17 PM (FhXTo)
I'm going to need a fact check on this key assertion:
"This yields a transfer rate of 22.7 megabytes per second. No
Internet service provider, such as a hacker would have had to use in
mid-2016, was capable of downloading data at this speed."
I'm just some random idiot with crappy Comcast Internet, and my Internet connection is around 80 Mbps.
Posted by: Color Me Skeptical at August 10, 2017 02:10 PM (75+1T)
I *think* 80 Mbps is Megabits per second.....not Megabytes.
Posted by: Tami at August 10, 2017 02:17 PM (Enq6K)
Posted by: kraken at August 10, 2017 02:17 PM (zSVEm)
Posted by: andycanuck at August 10, 2017 02:18 PM (mJ8mX)
Not to mention the path within the internet from requestor to source.
Nobody is getting an 80
Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2017 02:18 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 10, 2017 02:19 PM (Nwg0u)
Not to mention the path within the internet from requestor to source.
Nobody is getting an 80
Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2017 02:18 PM (/tuJf)
So, putting the 'puter in a bowl of ice... good idea, or bad..?
Posted by: kraken at August 10, 2017 02:20 PM (zSVEm)
Normal internet speeds are calculated in Bits...
8 bits to a Byte... so... would need a consistent 176 Mega BIT connection to reach that speed...
Getting that speed from another country? I don't see it...
Now.... even the backbone of most Networks, work at 100 Megabit per sec.... so even the NETWORK itself would not support that transfer rate...
So.... now... based on the size of the file... it was not a thumb drive...
If this information about speed of transfer is correct... it had to be an external USB backup drive...
Posted by: Don Q..,.. Philosophizer at August 10, 2017 02:20 PM (NgKpN)
All of what is going on makes me think about National Socialism, and
oligarchies, and Fascism, and I.G.Farben, and Krupp.... ( I know that
there is not a literal correlation to current affairs, but still..) Posted by: kraken at August 10, 2017 02:17 PM (zSVEm)
If you haven't read it, William Manchester's "The Arms of Krupp" is outstanding.
Posted by: Zod at August 10, 2017 02:20 PM (Bdeb0)
They want to keep well hid
You can always go to--
Download
When you don't have the time
To bleach like with a cloth
You can always go to
Download
The Pakistani IT guy
Who's banging Mayo Debbie
Podesta and Pizzagate's
About to get too heavy
Just call it fake news
I'm warning you one more time, Seth
You should forget all you know and
Forget the download and go..
Down...(boom)
Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 02:20 PM (7uYFy)
Posted by: torquewrench at August 10, 2017 02:04 PM (ujwCG)
Awan, anna two, anna three!
Posted by: zombie lawrence Welk at August 10, 2017 02:20 PM (iPbwM)
***
On the one hand it sounds unbelievable.
On the other hand, no Washington staffers have been murdered in...15 years(Chandra Levy)? And we have a case of one being murdered 6 days after he leaked information that could have lost Hillary the election.
The official claim is mugging.
We have no mugger arrested.
The "mugger" didn't take any of Seth's valuable.
Occam's razor answers this one...or Sherlock Holmes's maxim, "when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth"
Posted by: 18-1 at August 10, 2017 02:21 PM (eSx+E)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 10, 2017 02:21 PM (fA1SL)
Mbps megabits.
MBps megabytes.
In most cases 8 bits per byte. Special cases do apply.
Posted by: Mudd at August 10, 2017 02:21 PM (cfHE9)
I never thought I'd say this, but here it is: 'To the reporters and
editors at The Nation, I offer my most sincere thanks for your fine
work. Please accept this laurel wreath, a hearty handshake, and a free
helicopter ride as tokens of my gratitude and appreciation.' Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor Glory to Kekistan! at August 10, 2017 02:17 PM (fA1SL)
To the editors of The Nation: You have served us well. Now, off to the TrumpCamps with you.
Posted by: Zod at August 10, 2017 02:22 PM (Bdeb0)
Yeahbut - Wouldn't the DNC be a large upload operation?
Posted by: DaveA at August 10, 2017 02:22 PM (FhXTo)
Posted by: andycanuck at August 10, 2017 02:23 PM (mJ8mX)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2017 02:03 PM (/tuJf)
My theory is that the DNC has been laundering foreign money for a long time, and didn't want anyone to see their email servers because of the evidence of that. It's also why they hired a sketchy IT firm rather than one with a better reputation.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at August 10, 2017 02:24 PM (Tnhbr)
Posted by: Cicero Boom chicka boom Kaboom! Kid at August 10, 2017 02:24 PM (LjG7N)
Posted by: Roy"
How could you mess tat up. Don't you know Seth Meyers destroyed Trump last night. He'll never win now.
Posted by: Benji Carver at August 10, 2017 02:24 PM (OD2ni)
Posted by: mustbequantum at August 10, 2017 02:24 PM (MIKMs)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 10, 2017 02:24 PM (fA1SL)
Posted by: Under Fire at August 10, 2017 02:25 PM (mcI77)
foreign money for a long time, Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at August 10, 2017 02:24 PM (Tnhbr)
The Clinton Global Initiative is the vector, and doesn't even bother structuring the money.
Posted by: Zod at August 10, 2017 02:25 PM (Bdeb0)
But then somebody may have accused them of being competent and impartial.
Posted by: LGoPs at August 10, 2017 02:25 PM (5XCN6)
Posted by: Friar Tuck at August 10, 2017 02:26 PM (u0s1P)
Posted by: Sewer Urchin at August 10, 2017 02:26 PM (B9OsQ)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 10, 2017 02:26 PM (fA1SL)
Posted by: Bruce at August 10, 2017 02:26 PM (8ikIW)
Which explains why out of all the lawyers in DC Imran Awan is being represented by a long time Clinton fixer who was also an employee of the CGI.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2017 02:26 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 10, 2017 02:26 PM (7ZVPa)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 10, 2017 02:27 PM (fA1SL)
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at August 10, 2017 02:27 PM (CPk08)
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 10, 2017 02:27 PM (dueIV)
Posted by: Zod at August 10, 2017 02:25 PM (Bdeb0)
Yeah, my feeling is that once the Clinton acolytes were in power, they started pulling the same crap and paying off every Dem politician, staffer, and activist that was loyal. There was a huge amount of cash that was flowing into Dem bank accounts.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at August 10, 2017 02:27 PM (Tnhbr)
Posted by: Jack Sock at August 10, 2017 02:27 PM (A6Xv7)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 10, 2017 02:27 PM (iPbwM)
Serving pages, email blasts, etc.
I've seen speedtest.net hit 50, but it's 18/4 now.
Posted by: DaveA at August 10, 2017 02:27 PM (FhXTo)
The more likely scenario is that one of the Awan cabal did this via DWS.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 10, 2017 02:27 PM (5SCmO)
(in the voice of Colombo) Right, we all agree it was a robbery. (squinting eyes) But, one thing that keeps bothering me about this...one little thing: every robbery I've investigated, every single one, involves something being stolen.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at August 10, 2017 02:27 PM (ty7RM)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 10, 2017 02:27 PM (IqV8l)
Posted by: USNtakim at August 10, 2017 02:27 PM (zZWkn)
Between Hillary and Wasserman-Schultz who could tell? Both were criminally careless with sensitive information. Posted by: mustbequantum at August 10, 2017 02:24 PM (MIKMs)
Hillary is the beta-test cylon lesbian strapon pitcher. DWS is...well, less than that. I know it's not exact, but there it is.
Posted by: Zod at August 10, 2017 02:27 PM (Bdeb0)
The second read, with "laurel and hearty (Hardy)" was a joke that I failed to notice for a long time, much to my shame.
Posted by: Sporkatus at August 10, 2017 02:28 PM (eXSOZ)
Breaking News:
Canadian diplomat in Cuba treated for headaches, hearing loss
Confirmation of health issue comes day after U.S. says diplomats in Havana targeted by sonic weapon
Not just Americans attacked in Cuba.
Big news.
www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cuba-canadian-diplomat-1.4242033
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 10, 2017 02:28 PM (fceHP)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 10, 2017 02:28 PM (7ZVPa)
Posted by: RI Red - Making a List at August 10, 2017 02:28 PM (Cv+H4)
Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2017 02:07 PM (9TU00)
It was DWS with The Gorgon Stare.
Posted by: Roland THTG at August 10, 2017 02:29 PM (QM5S2)
Just wacky coincidences. Just ask snopes.
Posted by: brak at August 10, 2017 02:29 PM (5iU/N)
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 10, 2017 02:29 PM (Nwg0u)
one little thing: every robbery I've investigated, every single one, involves something being stolen.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin
The explainers explain that the perp was interrupted and therefore fled before he could do the stealing.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 10, 2017 02:29 PM (IqV8l)
And now, as performed by Luciano Pavarotti, Nessie Dorma.
Posted by: Sporkatus at August 10, 2017 02:29 PM (eXSOZ)
you had lists of dead and illegal alien voters and documented foreign
donations?
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 10, 2017 02:26 PM (7ZVPa)
I know you're being rhetorical Vashta but the bottom line is that they shouldn't have been given the choice. The servers should have been seized...maybe even with the same zeal as Paul Manafort's documents, if you know what I mean.
Posted by: LGoPs at August 10, 2017 02:29 PM (5XCN6)
Posted by: USNtakim at August 10, 2017 02:27 PM (zZWkn)
They always have been. They just had the MSM to coverup for them and be a fixer if necessary.
Posted by: Jack Sock at August 10, 2017 02:29 PM (A6Xv7)
Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 02:30 PM (7uYFy)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 10, 2017 02:30 PM (fA1SL)
Canadian diplomat in Cuba treated for headaches, hearing loss
Confirmation of health issue comes day after U.S. says diplomats in Havana targeted by sonic weapon
Not just Americans attacked in Cuba.
Big news.
www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cuba-canadian-diplomat-1.4242033
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 10, 2017 02:28 PM (fceHP)
Hey wait a minute. We're NICE to those people! I don't get it!
Posted by: Most of Canada at August 10, 2017 02:30 PM (CPk08)
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 10, 2017 02:31 PM (mtbNU)
Let's also recall how the FBI allowed Cheryl Mills to formally assert "attorney-client privilege" with regard to conversations with Clinton -- even though Mills herself had been actively party to the alleged criminal acts in question.
Yeah, something tells me Trump and his associates are not going to be extended comparable white-glove courtesies by the Bureau.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 10, 2017 02:31 PM (ujwCG)
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin
Exactly. This makes me wonder what part of "...and be sure, DON'T FORGET, to at least take his wristwatch! The robbery story won't stick without it" the perp didn't understand.
Posted by: Zod at August 10, 2017 02:31 PM (Bdeb0)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot
Popping off a couple of rounds in a quiet neighborhood tends to do that.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 10, 2017 02:31 PM (U76Nz)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 10, 2017 02:31 PM (fA1SL)
the UN official connected to illegal contributions from China to the Clintons who had that "weightlifting accident."
Another Columbo reference!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 10, 2017 02:32 PM (IqV8l)
Big news.
www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cuba-canadian-diplomat-1.4242033
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 10, 2017 02:28 PM (fceHP)
Now why would the Cubans attack an accredited representative of Fidel Castro's son, aka Justin Trudeau?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 10, 2017 02:32 PM (iPbwM)
??? 1.8gig ???
its an easy fit.
the 1st USB 3.0 amazon shows 32G, 16$, upto 150MBs transfer (seq read, no seq write listed which is where they slow up)
Posted by: DaveA at August 10, 2017 02:32 PM (FhXTo)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 10, 2017 02:28 PM (fceHP)
Hey wait a minute. We're NICE to those people! I don't get it!
Posted by: Most of Canada at August 10, 2017 02:30 PM (CPk0
Yeah well, Trump is so bad that they pick on anyone who even looks American....
Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 02:32 PM (7uYFy)
And now, as performed by Luciano Pavarotti, Nessie Dorma.
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The woods are lovely, dark and deep, and I have miles to go before I sleep.
Posted by: mustbequantum at August 10, 2017 02:32 PM (MIKMs)
Posted by: Jack Sock at August 10, 2017 02:27 PM (A6Xv7)
Personally, I salute
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 10, 2017 02:32 PM (gwPgz)
Also let's not confuse Mbps with MB/s. Take your Mbps which is your theoretical max decide by 8, for conversion from bits to bytes, and multiply by .8 for overhead and that's pretty much the top end of your connection in real world MB/s
Posted by: Hope Solo at August 10, 2017 02:32 PM (q4Lza)
Burn it to the ground. They are the new American Stasi.
Posted by: LGoPs at August 10, 2017 02:32 PM (5XCN6)
Posted by: Max Power at August 10, 2017 02:33 PM (q177U)
Anything they produce is garbage.
They need to be scrapped and rebuilt from the ground up.
Posted by: Kreplach at August 10, 2017 02:33 PM (9A6UB)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 10, 2017 02:32 PM (iPbwM)
You know what? There is a resemblance.....
Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 02:33 PM (7uYFy)
Posted by: mikeski at August 10, 2017 02:33 PM (834zr)
Posted by: Edna Wasserlochner at August 10, 2017 02:33 PM (CPk08)
Those of us who occasionally eavesdrop at lefty blogs were treated to loudly giggling exultation over his death.
_Lese-majeste_ is never forgotten or forgiven by liberals.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 10, 2017 02:33 PM (ujwCG)
Posted by: Benji Carver at August 10, 2017 02:33 PM (OD2ni)
Zod always takes the wristwatch.
Posted by: Zod at August 10, 2017 02:34 PM (Bdeb0)
Posted by: Mallfly Maddow at August 10, 2017 02:08 PM (ILitO)
Yep. The obvious scenario.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 10, 2017 02:34 PM (SRKgf)
And they're protecting mueller too.
So, right now, the seth rich death andthe russia hax me stories about similar in believability (tbh, I find seth rich's murder murder more belive) so why not get a new, actual conservative warrior to investigate that...and throw in wet work molesta's shit into the mix too.
Posted by: andrew jarbacka at August 10, 2017 02:34 PM (AU4SY)
Huh?
Wha?
*smacks lips*
*yawns*
You got something I can recuse myself from?
I mean, I gotta get some work done today....
S-o-o-o-o, any recusals?
...
Okay..fine. i don't need to hear your excuses.
Got anyone's property I can seize?
Anybody'll do.
...Really?
What the hell am I paying you fel-
ZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZ...
Posted by: Jeff Sessions at August 10, 2017 02:34 PM (NyJwR)
Posted by: JAS at August 10, 2017 02:34 PM (UnDQI)
Posted by: Robert Mueller at August 10, 2017 02:34 PM (Mouru)
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 10, 2017 02:34 PM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: Marcus T, Ducking HR at August 10, 2017 02:34 PM (9KZTy)
You shoot someone in the back, twice -- you're basically saying, 'This is how we treat back-stabbers'.
Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at August 10, 2017 02:35 PM (EgwCt)
Posted by: This Is CNN at August 10, 2017 02:35 PM (Mouru)
She already has a day named for her. Don't be greedy.
Posted by: Jack Sock at August 10, 2017 02:35 PM (A6Xv7)
Posted by: Most of Canada at August 10, 2017 02:30 PM (CPk0
they vacation there
and June 16th:
Canada-Cuba relations are 'business as usual' despite what Trump is doing
says the boy king who showed off his Ramadan socks at a gay pride parade
But his Pride socks carried a subtler political message. Text on the socks read "Eid Mubarak," honoring the religious holiday that marks the end of Ramadan, the Islamic holy month of fasting, which coincides with Gay Pride this year.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 10, 2017 02:35 PM (fceHP)
Posted by: epv at August 10, 2017 02:35 PM (7n5AK)
Scuttle the entire agency PDT.
Posted by: Under Fire at August 10, 2017 02:25 PM
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My sentiments exactly. Many months ago I tweeted something to that effect---was there not one patriot who would put their country above their pension?
I still hold out hope that there are some who have gone the official whistle-blower route through congress, but I fear if they did not go to the right person (and obviously there are very few who can be trusted) that their info fell on deaf ears.
We will probably never know the truth. Read an article the other day (American Thinker maybe?) where the writer asked a friend of his who worked intel whether or not we could ever find the leakers. Intel guy said they ALWAYS find the leakers; problem is, it is almost always someone way high up, and then it gets buried.
Posted by: IrishEi at August 10, 2017 02:35 PM (HiDrR)
Posted by: Jeff Sessions at August
***
I'm sorry, I say I say, a southern gentleman would never, I say never stoop so low as to investigate this unsavory matter.
Posted by: andrew jarbacka at August 10, 2017 02:35 PM (AU4SY)
answer has to be uniparty. Neither party has National interests at its
core. Screw em both.
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Don't know if anyone else remembers, but Preibus was laughing at the leaks of the DNC stuff -- until it became 'hacking the election'. RNC wasn't 'hacked'.
Posted by: mustbequantum at August 10, 2017 02:36 PM (MIKMs)
Posted by: sunny-dee at August 10, 2017 02:36 PM (DH0MB)
Posted by: Marcus T, Ducking HR at August 10, 2017 02:36 PM (9KZTy)
Perfectly executed False Flag - hack your own system internally, leak
selected files, float Russia as the culprit, watch the media use it as a
tool to attempt to invalidate the election, manipulate the compromised
DOJ to ensure only a cursory investigation is performed as lip service
then demand a special investigation knowing the Republicans would be too
stupid to oppose or even establish any limits.
Posted by: Sewer Urchin at August 10, 2017 02:26 PM (B9OsQ)
=====Well.... that seems a bit complicated.
Posted by: Penfold at August 10, 2017 02:36 PM (Fbt5B)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot
Interrupted by who? People who didn't talk to police or render aid?
Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2017 02:36 PM (9TU00)
Posted by: Big Luther Strange at August 10, 2017 02:36 PM (398bZ)
Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 02:33 PM (7uYFy)
yea, it's funny
his doppleganger
Snopes has a great side by side shot
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 10, 2017 02:36 PM (fceHP)
Posted by: Sewer Urchin at August 10, 2017 02:26 PM (B9OsQ)
Sad but oh so true!
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 10, 2017 02:36 PM (gwPgz)
Posted by: andrew jarbacka at August 10, 2017 02:36 PM (AU4SY)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 10, 2017 02:37 PM (iPbwM)
I think the most obvious scenario is to look at the very small group of people who had direct access to these servers, not just physical access but administrative access. Just because you can touch the servers doesn't mean you have the request authority to access all the data.
We know Awan had access to both the Congressional networks and thanks to DWS the DNC networks. And we know he is being investigated for stealing data from the Congressional network already.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2017 02:37 PM (/tuJf)
(in the voice of Colombo) Right, we all agree it was a robbery. (squinting eyes) But, one thing that keeps bothering me about this...one little thing: every robbery I've investigated, every single one, involves something being stolen.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at August 10, 2017 02:27 PM (ty7RM)
It's a hell of a thing, killing a man.Take away all he's got and all he's ever gonna have.
Posted by: Will Munny at August 10, 2017 02:38 PM (lKyWE)
****
it sure seems like the most limp dicked idiocy to give a special prosecutor any power, given the lack of evidence AND considering shitstain obama never got one despite...everything.
FnF
Behgazi
everyone using fake email addresses to do biz
scandal a day, no SP.
Posted by: andrew jarbacka at August 10, 2017 02:38 PM (AU4SY)
Burn Baby Burn
Go for it
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2017 02:39 PM (5y11N)
Also remember this story? Update today in the Sun Sentinel.
"The death of a federal prosecutor whose body was found on the beach in Hollywood has been ruled a suicide, Hollywood police said Thursday."
"Beranton J. Whisenant Jr. 38, was found dead by a beachgoer in Hollywood near Magnolia Terrace shortly before 6:30 a.m. on May 24."
It took them three months to come up with suicide. Very strange. Just promoted at work, married, three kids, and a wife who is a doctor.
Other tidbits from other places.
Hollywood, Florida, Whisenant's body was recovered within the parameters of Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz's district.
The 37-year-old had just joined the Miami U.S. Attorney's Office in January, and was assigned to investigate cases of visa and passport fraud.
Awan Brothers running fraudulent visa and passport scams? Debbie and the Clintons involved?
Posted by: Fuq the Media at August 10, 2017 02:39 PM (HdLOs)
https://pbs.tw___.com/media/DG1vsaHVwAE-7Xs.jpg
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 10, 2017 02:37 PM (iPbwM)
Fuck it. Let's make this work. Depose Raul and put Justin on the "throne" in Cuba. Cuban women will like his hair as much as Canadian women....
Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 02:39 PM (7uYFy)
Not impossible.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 10, 2017 02:39 PM (fA1SL)
Posted by: JAS at August 10, 2017 02:40 PM (UnDQI)
To the claim that it would be impossible to hack that quickly, I disagree. I work with graphics files mostly and some of those files are very large indeed, yet I manage to move those mountains of data around fairly quickly. The technology has come a long way.
Aside from Podesta's chld porn, most of those emails would've consisted almost entirely of text. Seems to me if the hacker compressed the files prior to download, he or she could halve the amount of data and cut download time accordingly. Any number of ways that could be accomplished.
My point is these supposed experts are making definitive claims here. I'm always leery of definitive claims.
Posted by: troyriser at August 10, 2017 02:40 PM (4qf5a)
Posted by: zombie
And yet, this fetish is still better than CBD's unhealthy obsession with lighthouses.
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 10, 2017 02:40 PM (6jaju)
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sure, there are plenty of happy folks who get sad and suicidal once they learn how corrupt the democrats are. It's like learning that Santa's really a thin guy working out of tawian.
Posted by: andrew jarbacka at August 10, 2017 02:40 PM (AU4SY)
Posted by: Ripley at August 10, 2017 02:40 PM (MxEKc)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 10, 2017 02:41 PM (fA1SL)
That is, looking at a collection of files, you can see when they were copied, and then you can derive a file transfer speed, which would imply that THAT set of files (COPY1) was copied at that speed.
It says nothing about being connected to DNC server or the DNC local network, because THAT set of files (COPY1) could have been copied over the Internet to a repository (COPY0), and then locally copied, generating all the timestamp data of interest.
This could be based on a misunderstanding or an incomplete understanding of their analysis.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at August 10, 2017 02:41 PM (tbOMB)
Posted by: 18-1 at August 10, 2017 02:21 PM (eSx+E)
A fallacy. It presupposes you've thought of all the possible solutions, and you can never know that you have.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 10, 2017 02:41 PM (SRKgf)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2017 02:41 PM (5y11N)
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wet work molesta is just an activist to get paintings of naked children be considered art by you hate filled normies.
Posted by: andrew jarbacka at August 10, 2017 02:41 PM (AU4SY)
Two ways to function: fit theories to support evidence, or fit evidence to support theories. One is correct, one is not.
You're doing it wrong.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 10, 2017 02:42 PM (dueIV)
Posted by: Ripley at August 10, 2017 02:40 PM (MxEKc)
Amen...Preach it Brother
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2017 02:42 PM (5y11N)
Posted by: Ripley at August 10, 2017 02:40 PM (MxEKc)
Amen...Preach it Brother
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2017 02:42 PM (5y11N)
+1
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 10, 2017 02:42 PM (jxbfJ)
Posted by: Soona at August 10, 2017 02:42 PM (Fmupd)
and June 16th:
Canada-Cuba relations are 'business as usual' despite what Trump is doing
says the boy king who showed off his Ramadan socks at a gay pride parade
But his Pride socks carried a subtler political message. Text on the socks read "Eid Mubarak," honoring the religious holiday that marks the end of Ramadan, the Islamic holy month of fasting, which coincides with Gay Pride this year.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 10, 2017 02:35 PM (fceHP)
See? We're nice to everybody!
Why would Cuba pick on us? We're not like mean Trump!
"We Won't Say That We're Better, It's Just That We're Less Worse"
Posted by: Most of Canada at August 10, 2017 02:42 PM (CPk08)
And who, at the instance of Hillary Clinton took over as the chair of the Democrat National Convention, Marcai Fudge, another Imran Awan client.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2017 02:42 PM (/tuJf)
I remember a theory I read once about the Watergate break-in being spurred by John Dean wanting to hide evidence that his wife was a call girl.....
Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 02:43 PM (7uYFy)
Posted by: Recused Jeff Sessions at August 10, 2017 02:43 PM (HdLOs)
Um, he was a fictional character created by someone who believed in fairies.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 10, 2017 02:43 PM (dueIV)
I've always loved The Nation, despite their commie sympathies. No other major political publications is considerate enough to publish on soft, thoroughly absorbent newsprint rather than that slick-finish magazine paper.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 10, 2017 02:44 PM (veoSD)
188. That is why Zod always takes the watch. Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor Glory to Kekistan! at August 10, 2017 02:41 PM (fA1SL)
Dexter has his tray of blood samples; Zod has a library wall festooned with the timepieces of his enemies. Trophies.
Posted by: Zod at August 10, 2017 02:44 PM (Bdeb0)
Posted by: JackStraw
When did Awan get his Congressional access yanked? Did he grab this data to blackmail DWS into keeping him employed and out of jail?
Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2017 02:44 PM (9TU00)
Posted by: dananjcon at August 10, 2017 02:44 PM (WLK0w)
Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2017 02:45 PM (9TU00)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 10, 2017 02:44 PM (veoSD)
For the same reason, we're eagerly awaiting the Nation's edition of the Koran.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 10, 2017 02:45 PM (SRKgf)
https://pbs.tw___.com/media/DG1vsaHVwAE-7Xs.jpg
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Justin's mom had certain slut-like qualities.
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 10, 2017 02:45 PM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: dananjcon at August 10, 2017 02:44 PM (WLK0w)
We need the analysis headed up by Cher.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 10, 2017 02:45 PM (SRKgf)
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You'll believe in fairies or else!!!!!
Posted by: Your friendly neighborgoos SJW, monitroing your thoughts via twitter at August 10, 2017 02:46 PM (XQvuQ)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 10, 2017 02:04 PM (fA1SL) ***
In death, a member of the Clinton campaign has a name.
His name is Seth Rich.
Posted by: Random Internet Asshole at August 10, 2017 02:46 PM (CJjw5)
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LOL. You just described the BHO version of the DOD.
Posted by: mustbequantum at August 10, 2017 02:46 PM (MIKMs)
And there is cop body cam footage, still unreleased as far as Heavy.com knows:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/yauluu7v
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 10, 2017 02:46 PM (6jaju)
I'm going to need a fact check on this key assertion:
"This yields a transfer rate of 22.7 megabytes per second. No
Internet service provider, such as a hacker would have had to use in
mid-2016, was capable of downloading data at this speed."
I'm just some random idiot with crappy Comcast Internet, and my Internet connection is around 80 Mbps.
Posted by: Color Me Skeptical at August 10, 2017 02:10 PM (75+1T)
I know there is no math here, but there are 8 bits in a Byte. So you get, theoretically, 10 megabytes per second.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at August 10, 2017 02:46 PM (tbOMB)
Now that its some sort of blend of capitalism and kleptocracy that doesn't celebrate homosexuality, Russia is evil in their eyes.
I'm not dismissing Russia tried to hack sensitive email among politicians, they do it to everyone, every election.
What I do think is ridiculous is the idea Putin tried to get Trump to win the election because they struck up some sort of backroom deal.
Posted by: Maritime at August 10, 2017 02:46 PM (4qUwg)
I think it was January or maybe December of 2016.
I think he's been stealing data for years and selling it, probably to overseas bidders.
I think Grassley has asked to have all his immigration records turned over to Congress. This guy and his family was regularly going back and forth to Pakistan.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2017 02:46 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 10, 2017 02:47 PM (ca387)
Posted by: Ripley at August 10, 2017 02:40 PM (MxEKc)
Amen...Preach it Brother
Posted by: Nevergiveup
I'm calling this Korea dustup Sen Corker's War
Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2017 02:47 PM (9TU00)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 10, 2017 02:47 PM (fA1SL)
Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 02:30 PM (7uYFy)
Wouldn't be suprised if Cuber was in bed with the Iran/Nork/Venezuelan axis.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 10, 2017 02:47 PM (hcyUh)
Posted by: Zod at August 10, 2017 02:47 PM (Bdeb0)
I call shenanigans.
Posted by: Meremortal at August 10, 2017 02:48 PM (3myMJ)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2017 02:48 PM (5y11N)
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Oh, yeah. Blatant speculation on my part. Still very, very strange.
Posted by: Recused Jeff Sessions at August 10, 2017 02:48 PM (HdLOs)
Posted by: Maritime at August 10, 2017 02:46 PM (4qUwg)
What frosts me is the leap of faith required to believe that a CANDIDATE --who has the entire establishment/Deep State against him--can somehow control things with the connivance of Russia right under the nose of his political enemies.
Think about how stupid that is.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 02:49 PM (7uYFy)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 10, 2017 02:47 PM (fA1SL)
It takes time to work up something suitably sassy.
Or pithy, as Mike Tyson would say.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 10, 2017 02:49 PM (SRKgf)
But, the timestamps are editable. If a nation, like Russia (or anyone else), wanted to make it look like it couldn't have been done remotely, this is something they might do to throw others off.
It's not even a difficult hack. Freeware tools have been around forever that let you edit the timestamps on files. All's you need to do is calculate the very simple math to figure out what speed you are trying to mimic.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 10, 2017 02:49 PM (FUu/Z)
Posted by: Fuq the Media at August 10, 2017 02:49 PM (HdLOs)
>>When did Awan get his Congressional access yanked? Did he grab
this data to blackmail DWS into keeping him employed and out of jail?
I think it was January or maybe December of 2016.
I think he's been stealing data for years and selling it, probably to overseas bidders.
I think Grassley has asked to have all his immigration records
turned over to Congress. This guy and his family was regularly going
back and forth to Pakistan.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2017 02:46 PM (/tuJf)
If you made this into a movie, people wouldn't believe it.....
Posted by: Tami at August 10, 2017 02:49 PM (Enq6K)
If he accepts the compounded hearsay conclusion of the "17 agencies" that it was the Russians, without doing any investigation of the quite plausible alternative theories that it was an inside job (e.g. a pissed-off BernieBot DNC staffer, or Debbie's Anwar) then his entire investigation is a sham.
If he looks into DWS, how can he not find dirt on her?
Developing ....
Posted by: Ignoramus at August 10, 2017 02:50 PM (+7/1f)
Even if you take DWS statements at face value, why did she then not immediately turn over the server to the FBI when she claimed they "never asked to look at it"?
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 10, 2017 02:50 PM (0pcwX)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2017 02:46 PM (/tuJf)
Probably with suitcases full of flash drives, Congressional House Bank checks, and cash!
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 10, 2017 02:50 PM (gwPgz)
Posted by: Ripley at August 10, 2017 02:40 PM (MxEKc)
Dana Perino is going to be upset that he included Bush.
Jasper is going to be busy tonight....
Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 02:50 PM (7uYFy)
Think about how stupid that is.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 02:49 PM (7uYFy)
This.
Transcripts of Trump's phone calls to the leaders of Mexico and somewhere else (Canada?) leak, but evidence of collusion with Russia is totes quiet.
Sure.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 10, 2017 02:50 PM (SRKgf)
I expect the worst... and realize how bad that sounds, but Uniparty is frightening..
Posted by: kraken at August 10, 2017 02:50 PM (zSVEm)
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Dude, stay away from the brown acid.
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 10, 2017 02:51 PM (Nwg0u)
...
If he looks into DWS, how can he not find dirt on her?
Developing ....
Posted by: Ignoramus at August 10, 2017 02:50 PM (+7/1f)
You haven't worked in DC have you?
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 10, 2017 02:51 PM (gwPgz)
believe that a CANDIDATE --who has the entire establishment/Deep State
against him--can somehow control things with the connivance of Russia
right under the nose of his political enemies.
Think about how stupid that is. Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 02:49 PM (7uYFy)
This is a variation of the Dubya Bush Conundrum: A president dumber than a bag of wet hair, yet cunning enough to engineer a series of vast, very complex conspiracies and machinations.
Posted by: Zod at August 10, 2017 02:52 PM (Bdeb0)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor Glory to Kekistan! at August 10, 2017 02:47 PM (fA1SL)
It takes time to work up something suitably sassy.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara"
In fairness, it does take time to assemble her Thought Leader Team and consider it's recommendations..
Posted by: Ripley at August 10, 2017 02:52 PM (MxEKc)
>>But, the timestamps are editable. If a nation, like Russia (or anyone else), wanted to make it look like it couldn't have been done remotely, this is something they might do to throw others off.
>>It's not even a difficult hack. Freeware tools have been around forever that let you edit the timestamps on files. All's you need to do is calculate the very simple math to figure out what speed you are trying to mimic.
All of that may be true but it does not answer the very simple question why did Debbie Wasserman Schultz refuse to let DHS or the FBI look at the servers to determine the source of the hack while also constantly screaming THE RUSSIANS DID IT!
Sorry, that does not pass the smell test. If this was a simple hack it would then be simple to determine who did the hack and this all could have been cleared up months ago.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2017 02:52 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 10, 2017 02:52 PM (fA1SL)
Vizzini the Sicilian called while you were out.
He said it's a good starter plan but needs iocane powder.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 10, 2017 02:53 PM (ujwCG)
Think about how stupid that is.
Posted by: JoeF
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Exactly, and let's be honest, Trump would not be savvy enough to somehow cut a deal like that anyway.
Considering how many people were being monitored by the Obama Deep State, all they've found were things like improper paperwork being filed by someone who Trump fired almost immediately when it came to light he had some clients who were questionable.
Posted by: Maritime at August 10, 2017 02:53 PM (4qUwg)
Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2017 02:53 PM (9TU00)
Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 02:50 PM (7uYFy)
Zod is going to be upset that Dana Perino's mouth is not available this evening while he binge-watches World at War.
Posted by: Zod at August 10, 2017 02:54 PM (Bdeb0)
http://tinyurl.com/yafeoys3
Posted by: Vogue at August 10, 2017 02:54 PM (V/f/L)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 10, 2017 02:54 PM (5SCmO)
Even if you take DWS statements at face value, why did she then not immediately turn over the server to the FBI when she claimed they "never asked to look at it"?
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 10, 2017 02:50 PM (0pcwX)
The answer is simple enough: crimes were committed, and by 'crimes' I mean real-deal felonies that can't be semantically nuanced and thematically parsed. Everybody but Hillary could go to jail.*
* Hillary Clinton will never go to jail no matter what she does or has done. It's apparently a rule.
Posted by: troyriser at August 10, 2017 02:54 PM (4qf5a)
Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2017 02:47 PM (9TU00)
I think that ought to be reserved for the upcoming Iran kerfuffle!
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 10, 2017 02:55 PM (gwPgz)
Reminds me of how she directed the media to turn their focus on the Vast RW Conspiracy instead of her crooked, bent dick redneck husband---and--voilla! ---they did just that.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 02:55 PM (7uYFy)
Sorry, that does not pass the smell test. If this was a simple hack it would then be simple to determine who did the hack and this all could have been cleared up months ago.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2017 02:52 PM (/tuJf)
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I'm not saying the Russians did it. I doubt that they did, but I don't KNOW they didn't. All I'm saying is that this file transfer speed thing is bullshit and proves nothing.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 10, 2017 02:55 PM (FUu/Z)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 10, 2017 02:57 PM (fA1SL)
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at August 10, 2017 02:58 PM (36gza)
Posted by: Zod at August 10, 2017 02:52 PM (Bdeb0)
Yes...BUT at least Bush was actually president--and able to control some things.
Trump was a complete outsider who wasn't in office--and was not liked by the Deep State. He was a CANDIDATE for Chrissakes....
Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 02:58 PM (7uYFy)
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum
"Passengers aboard a luxurious 104-day world cruise were ordered to go dark and remain silent at night for 10 days to thwart off possible 'pirate threats,' according to reports."
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 10, 2017 02:58 PM (Nwg0u)
http://tinyurl.com/yafeoys3
Posted by: Vogue at August 10, 2017 02:54 PM (V/f/L)
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*types*
*deletes*
Posted by: SMFH at August 10, 2017 02:58 PM (sB1y1)
If he accepts the compounded hearsay conclusion of the "17 agencies" that it was the Russians, without doing any investigation of the quite plausible alternative theories that it was an inside job (e.g. a pissed-off BernieBot DNC staffer, or Debbie's Anwar) then his entire investigation is a sham.
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right....there should be egg on 17 agencies' faces since they all signed off on this bullshit.
Posted by: andrew jarbacka at August 10, 2017 02:59 PM (AU4SY)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 10, 2017 02:59 PM (fA1SL)
Reminds me of how she directed the media to turn their focus on the Vast RW Conspiracy instead of her crooked, bent dick redneck husband---and--voilla! ---they did just that.
Posted by: JoeF.
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The Democrats got a big assist on this from the NeoCon wing of the GOP.
I honestly believe a big reason they chose this narrative was they know what an obsession this is for a few of them.
Posted by: Maritime at August 10, 2017 02:59 PM (4qUwg)
Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2017 02:47 PM (9TU00)
I think that ought to be reserved for the upcoming Iran kerfuffle!
Posted by: Hrothgar
Nope, that one's still Carter's fault
Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2017 03:00 PM (9TU00)
Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2017 02:53 PM (9TU00)
Even a cursory glance at his resume indicates that even though he is "universally" acknowledged by our betters as a stand-up guy, he has been a serious Monoparty player in DC with his fingers in a lot of interesting pies.
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 10, 2017 03:00 PM (gwPgz)
Posted by: andrew jarbacka at August 10, 2017 03:00 PM (AU4SY)
Posted by: zombie at August 10, 2017 03:00 PM (DQ4Fv)
In these times of grave national uncertainty, we need to be strong, but at the same time consider that strength in the face of opposition can only lead to conflict, and conflict, as we know, can lead to combat, and to many bad things.
As Americans, instead of forcing change in a foreign country most of us can't find on a map, even sober, we have to let North Korea grow the capacity to institute real change, and we will work WITH Kim Jong Un, to do this, while opposing any aggression. We will stand strong to protect American lives, here and abroad.
When I was growing up, I used to hear my mother say "You Asshole Bill. I HATE you, you FUCKING LIAR." She taught me to stand strong, to be proud of who I am, and to try and ride any connections I had to wealth and security because I could, and I deserved that. That's what I want to say to you today, America. And that's what we need to say to the people of North Korea, and their leader, Mr Un.
Posted by: It's Chelsea! at August 10, 2017 03:00 PM (CPk08)
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 10, 2017 02:58 PM (Nwg0u)
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It's becoming dangerous to travel. It's why I don't anymore.
Posted by: Soona at August 10, 2017 03:00 PM (Fmupd)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at August 10, 2017 03:00 PM (i0ykY)
I don't believe any of that matters in terms of the game the Other Side is playing.
They set the agenda, frame the narrative, write the rulebook.
We are FORCED to play their game... which is the extreme danger Trump poses for them... he does not play along... for them, he must be stopped.
Posted by: kraken at August 10, 2017 03:01 PM (zSVEm)
Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2017 03:00 PM (9TU00)
How about Carter-Corker War? They're both free as birds and guilty as sin!
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 10, 2017 03:01 PM (gwPgz)
Internet connections are usually measured in Mega"bits" per second.
Converting Mega"bytes" of data size takes a little conversion.
1976 Mega"bytes" of data (email files) transferred in 87 seconds.
1976/87=22.712 Mega"bytes" of data moving every second.
Using an online conversion calculator (www.convert-me.com)
22.71 Mega"bytes" per second would use 181.7 Mega"bits" of your internet connection.
Most home cable users get 25megs down and 5 up speeds. Maybe 50 down and 10 up. It is common for large businesses to have 100 or 200 meg connections.
This data transfer would an "upload" from the server. So the DNC would need to have a very large "upload" pipe.
Even if an organization like the DNC had 200 Megabit synchronous connection (same upload and download speed... it is highly unlikely any one device or data transaction would be allowed to use 90% of all available bandwidth...even for a short time.
Most internal networks have 1 gigabit switches which can transfer data at 1000 megabits per second.
Older systems were 100 megabit until a few years ago.
A 181 megabit data transfer on an internal network would cause no disruption to any other users.
More likely an inside job, if the numbers are correct.
Posted by: 99Problems at August 10, 2017 03:02 PM (zWaPh)
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 10, 2017 03:02 PM (Cz7Sb)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 10, 2017 03:03 PM (fA1SL)
This is no more true than that "17 agencies checked off on Iraq WMD." A few types form an interagency cabal and pitch the same story, that's it. The "intelligence community" is as fractured, fractious, and dissonant as you'd imagine if the Press wasn't hammering home the idea 24x7 that it's a consolidated, lean, smart, unified Big Brain with a single view.
Posted by: Zod at August 10, 2017 03:03 PM (Bdeb0)
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ISWYDT. Made me chuckle.
Posted by: mustbequantum at August 10, 2017 03:03 PM (MIKMs)
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at August 10, 2017 03:03 PM (XFue2)
Posted by: Soona at August 10, 2017 03:03 PM (Fmupd)
That's good, Chel. Now boil it down to 140 sassy characters.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 10, 2017 03:03 PM (SRKgf)
I have zero doubt that the Russians hacked Hillary. Comey as much as said so when he testified in front of Congress that Hillary used her unsecured and unauthorized Blackberry while overseas in places like Russia and China. She practically begged them hack her.
But I don't think the DNC is as big a layup. The file transfer maybe bullshit but again, why didn't DWS let the FBI look at them to confirm it one way or the other? If it was a foreign government including Russia that would have been the logical thing to do and there would be proof.
When you do something to undermine your own case then there is more to this than a simple hack.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2017 03:04 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at August 10, 2017 03:05 PM (aMlLZ)
"I think that ought to be reserved for the upcoming Iran kerfuffle!"
Korea and Iran are both part of Wendy Sherman's March.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 10, 2017 03:05 PM (ujwCG)
Thank you, thank you all. I'm thrilled to be invited to see all of you today. Thank you. Posted by: It's Chelsea! at August 10, 2017 03:00 PM (CPk0
Nevermind the haters, sugar. This pirate wants to mount your poop-deck.
Posted by: Zod at August 10, 2017 03:05 PM (Bdeb0)
Posted by: andrew jarbacka at August 10, 2017 02:59 PM (AU4SY)
Even perjuring Clapper said it was only four!
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 10, 2017 03:05 PM (gwPgz)
LOL!!!!
Posted by: Sponge at August 10, 2017 03:06 PM (xttKs)
Posted by: 99Problems at August 10, 2017 03:02 PM (zWaPh)
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The numbers are editable. Easily, as in a child could do it or could have already done so before the files ever saw the light of day. Therefore, the numbers prove nothing.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 10, 2017 03:06 PM (FUu/Z)
Posted by: Sponge at August 10, 2017 03:06 PM (xttKs)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 10, 2017 03:03 PM (SRKgf)
I made this rocking kale tricycle for Aidan! #eatyourveggies Trump sucks!
Posted by: It's Chelsea! at August 10, 2017 03:06 PM (CPk08)
Posted by: andrew jarbacka
That '17 agencies' thingy has been debunked. At most, it was 4 of them. Probably CIA, DOJ, DIA -- Gee, let's see, which particular assholes were in charge of those agencies at the time.
Clapper, Brennan, Lynch. Oh yeah, it's totes legit.
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 10, 2017 03:07 PM (6jaju)
Older systems were 100 megabit until a few years ago.
A 181 megabit data transfer on an internal network would cause no disruption to any other users.
More likely an inside job, if the numbers are correct.
Posted by: 99Problems at August 10, 2017 03:02 PM (zWaPh)
Not to mention, that VERY few internal networks are wired for Gigabit...
Most internal networks are still wired for 100 Mbs...
Could the server have a dedicated 1 Gig line to the Router? through a Firewall? Possible... but very unlikely....
Posted by: Don Q..,.. Philosophizer at August 10, 2017 03:07 PM (NgKpN)
DWS was responsible for the breach; probably getting some mordida from Awan in return for access.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at August 10, 2017 03:07 PM (i0ykY)
Posted by: Zod at August 10, 2017 03:03 PM (Bdeb0)
4 out of 5 dentists reccomend Trident....
Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 03:07 PM (7uYFy)
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Agreed.
There's also a wikileaks email from Podesta that says he's OK with making an example of the leaker.
Seth Rich is dead. Awan is alive.
Also... Newsweek is pushing the story that Rich is the one who discovered the Russian hacking and was murdered by Trump people so it wouldn't be discovered.
Posted by: shibumi at August 10, 2017 03:07 PM (aT+Bx)
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at August 10, 2017 03:08 PM (XFue2)
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Question 1: Is our intelligence community trustworthy?
Question 2: Is our intelligence community "intelligent"?
I say both answers are now up for debate considering everything we have seen the last few years.
Posted by: Google at August 10, 2017 03:08 PM (MuTTO)
Posted by: Zod at August 10, 2017 03:03 PM (Bdeb0)
Or like the scratch-off games that exclaim 20 WAYS TO WIN!! No, there's ONE way to win. NINETEEN to lose...
Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 03:08 PM (7uYFy)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2017 03:08 PM (5y11N)
Posted by: shibumi at August 10, 2017 03:07 PM (aT+Bx)
For cryin' out loud, would they just give it up?
If Hillary called a press conference and admitted everything, Newsweak would theorize that Trump had replaced her with an animatronic version programmed to say that.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 10, 2017 03:09 PM (SRKgf)
Posted by: Hrothgar
So, probably only 2 even looked into it.
Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2017 03:09 PM (9TU00)
Posted by: Lottery Commission... at August 10, 2017 03:09 PM (7uYFy)
Posted by: wth at August 10, 2017 03:09 PM (HgMAr)
Newsweek is pushing the story that Rich is the one who discovered the Russian hacking and was murdered by Trump people so it wouldn't be discovered.
Posted by: shibumi at August 10, 2017 03:07 PM (aT+Bx)
Seriously? Talk about projection.
Posted by: rickl at August 10, 2017 03:09 PM (xjiRE)
Question 1: Is our intelligence community trustworthy? NOPE. DEEP STATE.
Question 2: Is our intelligence community "intelligent"? NOPE> DEEP STATE
Although INDIVIDUALS in the intelligence community might be trustworthy and intelligent, theyr'e in the swamp and IMHO, the system is corrupt.
Posted by: shibumi at August 10, 2017 03:09 PM (aT+Bx)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2017 03:08 PM (5y11N)
All of this will go away.
Posted by: kraken at August 10, 2017 03:10 PM (zSVEm)
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 10, 2017 03:10 PM (Nwg0u)
Check out "oxymoron" and "military intelligence"!
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 10, 2017 03:10 PM (gwPgz)
So frustrating.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 10, 2017 03:10 PM (39g3+)
Also... Newsweek is pushing the story that Rich is the one who discovered the Russian hacking and was murdered by Trump people so it wouldn't be discovered.
Posted by: shibumi at August 10, 2017 03:07 PM (aT+Bx)
So Seth Rich then.
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at August 10, 2017 03:10 PM (XFue2)
If Hillary called a press conference and admitted everything, Newsweak would theorize that Trump had replaced her with an animatronic version programmed to say that.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 10, 2017 03:09 PM (SRKgf)
That bhastid keeps spiking my hot sauce! *hic*
Posted by: Hillary at August 10, 2017 03:10 PM (CPk08)
You obviously don't know about data forensics. None of the tools that allow you to edit timestamps allow you to edit nanoseconds, but the actual timestamp of an NTFS file stored in binary measures time to a 100 nanosecond precision. So when you look at the actual 8-byte timestamp block of an NTFS file, an altered timestamp will have a block of zeroes where the nanosecond precision should be. It's also possible to determine from a timestamp if it was transferred via a flash drive, as flash drives are usually formatted as FAT, and this will result in a timestamp with a partially truncated nanosecond precision, since FAT timestamps weren't as precise.
Posted by: pete at August 10, 2017 03:11 PM (WPYlw)
Furthermore, we know Manafort must be hiding evidence of collusion because there is no evidence of collusion in the material he has provided.
Posted by: Intelligence Experts from 17 (give or take) Agencies at August 10, 2017 03:11 PM (kfcYC)
Posted by: shibumi at August 10, 2017 03:07 PM (aT+Bx)
Seriously? Talk about projection.
Posted by: rickl at August 10, 2017 03:09 PM (xjiRE)
Well well well.
They went "there." That means Seth Rich WAS an inside job and SOMEBODY has the proof.....
Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 03:11 PM (7uYFy)
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at August 10, 2017 03:11 PM (XFue2)
Posted by: Zod at August 10, 2017 02:54 PM (Bdeb0)
and Jasper is going to be upset if she forgets to bring home peanut butter.
Posted by: wth at August 10, 2017 03:11 PM (HgMAr)
So, what, if you break the password it lowers the USB transfer rate vs. just knowing it?
Posted by: Ian S. at August 10, 2017 03:12 PM (3J/LN)
One of the four was the DNI, which is an aggregator, thus not technically an agency.
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 10, 2017 03:12 PM (gwPgz)
Now.. that actually sounds more believable than the Russia is interfering in your elections bullshit.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 10, 2017 03:12 PM (so+oy)
http://www.newsweek.com/seth-rich-russia-and-2016-election-648312
Posted by: shibumi at August 10, 2017 03:13 PM (aT+Bx)
no, but there's a physical limit to how fast data can go across phone lines, etc
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 10, 2017 03:13 PM (39g3+)
Now.. that actually sounds more believable than the Russia is interfering in your elections bullshit.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 10, 2017 03:12 PM (so+oy)
The story will come out and I hope I live long enough to read about it.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 03:13 PM (7uYFy)
The four agencies who have been implicated in the RUSSIA! stuff are so compromised that who can believe them aside from MSM idiots.
Posted by: mustbequantum at August 10, 2017 03:14 PM (MIKMs)
Do you know how naive you sound, Michael? DNC senators and the Clinton's don't have men killed.
Oh? Who's being naive Kay.
Posted by: Strobe at August 10, 2017 02:12 PM (gbWkA)
Posted by: Deacon Blues at August 10, 2017 03:14 PM (dZGNV)
Now.. that actually sounds more believable than the Russia is interfering in your elections bullshit.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 10, 2017 03:12 PM (so+oy)
We truly are in a Wag the Dog type of situation... where they are trying to push War with North Korea, and RUSSIA... while we already have troops fighting in what... 6 other countries? (note, its the Media and Dems pushing this crap, with some help from GOPe)
Posted by: Don Q..,.. Philosophizer at August 10, 2017 03:14 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at August 10, 2017 03:14 PM (CPk08)
I don't think they even went that far. I think they just paid the guy that looked at their stuff to say what they wanted him to. Nobody else has been able to look at the machines or see what he saw.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 10, 2017 03:14 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: alexthechick - a manatee life for me at August 10, 2017 03:14 PM (mf5HN)
The complete total lack of evidence implicating Trump is a clear sign of the lengths he went to in committing this crime!
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 10, 2017 03:15 PM (gwPgz)
Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 03:15 PM (7uYFy)
Now.. that actually sounds more believable than the Russia is interfering in your elections bullshit.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 10, 2017 03:12 PM (so+oy)
The story will come out and I hope I live long enough to read about it.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 03:13 PM (7uYFy)
I want to live long enough to smell the gunpowder and the over stressed lamp posts.
Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at August 10, 2017 03:15 PM (aMlLZ)
Posted by: shibumi at August 10, 2017 03:09 PM (aT+Bx)
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Yea...that is the most likely answer now. I would also add that they compete with each other for tax money, so they tend to leak information about each other to the public.
Posted by: Google at August 10, 2017 03:17 PM (MuTTO)
the one who discovered the Russian hacking and was murdered by Trump
people so it wouldn't be discovered.
Posted by: shibumi at August 10, 2017 03:07 PM (aT+Bx)
Under the maxim of universal leftist projection, I would say that this now proves beyond a "reasonable" doubt that Seth Rich was the leaker and was murdered because of it.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at August 10, 2017 03:17 PM (tbOMB)
Posted by: joncelli, Ray of Freakin' Sunshine at August 10, 2017 03:17 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Don Q..,.. Philosophizer
The key isn't whats inside the building at the DNC - but what's upstream to the Cloud. That neighborhood been improving, but its not Ashburn.
Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2017 03:18 PM (9TU00)
Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 03:18 PM (7uYFy)
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 10, 2017 03:15 PM (gwPgz)
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I guess that means he is a super genius...
Posted by: Google at August 10, 2017 03:18 PM (MuTTO)
Posted by: MikeInBA at August 10, 2017 03:18 PM (yaFth)
Wait, now Seth Rich was murdered by Trump?
Oh I give up.
Posted by: alexthechick - a manatee life for me at August 10, 2017 03:14 PM (mf5HN)
" Show of hands... who here has NOT murdered Seth Rich???"
This is where it will end up.. in a muddy mess, that the populi will be bored with..
Posted by: kraken at August 10, 2017 03:18 PM (zSVEm)
Posted by: Jack Sock at August 10, 2017 03:19 PM (A6Xv7)
Posted by: Hrothgar
I thought their job was to lose good intel
Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2017 03:20 PM (9TU00)
Well yeah, my response is: so they're admitting he was murdered for political reasons?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 10, 2017 03:20 PM (39g3+)
You obviously don't know about data forensics. None of the tools that allow you to edit timestamps allow you to edit nanoseconds, but the actual timestamp of an NTFS file stored in binary measures time to a 100 nanosecond precision. So when you look at the actual 8-byte timestamp block of an NTFS file, an altered timestamp will have a block of zeroes where the nanosecond precision should be. It's also possible to determine from a timestamp if it was transferred via a flash drive, as flash drives are usually formatted as FAT, and this will result in a timestamp with a partially truncated nanosecond precision, since FAT timestamps weren't as precise.
Posted by: pete at August 10, 2017 03:11 PM (WPYlw)
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I'll admit that I don't have any expertise in data forensics if you will admit that you don't know what tools the NSA (or its equivalent in Russia) have.
Or are you saying that it would be impossible for the NSA or its like to fabricate this so called evidence? If the NSA was able to remotely hack a network, do you really believe that they don't have the tools and expertise to make it look like the files were copied to a device onsite?
We are talking about a bunch of 1s and 0s. They can be rewritten after the fact. All it takes is the expertise to know what the end product should look like.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 10, 2017 03:20 PM (FUu/Z)
I'd be curious to know how "they" knew the size of the data file and how long it took to download. But if that is correct, then they are certainly correct that the download did NOT take place across any wide area network, such as the Internet. With a file that big, even using a high speed broadband Internet connection, it would have taken a few minutes to download such a file, not 80-90 seconds.
Posted by: The Oort Cloud - No-Longer-Deplorable Source of all SMODs at August 10, 2017 03:21 PM (RxCVB)
Posted by: kraken at August 10, 2017 03:21 PM (zSVEm)
the one who discovered the Russian hacking and was murdered by Trump
people so it wouldn't be discovered.
Posted by: shibumi at August 10, 2017 03:07 PM (aT+Bx)
Under the maxim of universal leftist projection, I would say that this now proves beyond a "reasonable" doubt that Seth Rich was the leaker and was murdered because of it.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at August 10, 2017 03:17 PM (tbOMB)
When did Newsweek get the memo to blame Trump for the murder.
Posted by: Northernlurker, who sometimes skulks and is now jobless. at August 10, 2017 03:22 PM (hJrjt)
The problem is, or one of the problems, is that we have troops in some countries, but we are NOT fighting in any meaningful way anywhere
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2017 03:24 PM (5y11N)
Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2017 03:20 PM (9TU00)
An intel organization never loses intel, they might just temporarily forget where it is...
until it is needed again.
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 10, 2017 03:24 PM (gwPgz)
Posted by: MikeInBA at August 10, 2017 03:18 PM (yaFth)
Umm, over 100 mbps, going over lord knows how many different networks and VPNs where the least common denominator controls the speed? Unless you think the Russians had a direct OC-3 into the DNC, I would say it definitely points in the direction of not being Russians.
Posted by: lymond at August 10, 2017 03:24 PM (FNa/B)
Posted by: USNtakim at August 10, 2017 03:25 PM (zZWkn)
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Oh, I believe they totally have the proof.
Police body cams for Seth Rich: not released.
Local video cams: don't seem to be investigated:
http://tinyurl.com/yby9uc8o
I also think that Kim Dotcom said he had proof and would testify that Seth Rich. No follow up.
Lots of speculation at 4chan. IIRC, the act itself was done by a union person {maybe SIEU} associated with the DNC.
Posted by: shibumi at August 10, 2017 03:25 PM (aT+Bx)
Posted by: JoeF."
We've got raging clues about it.
Posted by: The Hardly Boys at August 10, 2017 03:26 PM (OD2ni)
the one who discovered the Russian hacking and was murdered by Trump
people so it wouldn't be discovered.
Posted by: shibumi at August 10, 2017 03:07 PM (aT+Bx)
Whoever paid $1 for that POS publication got taken.
Posted by: Tami at August 10, 2017 03:26 PM (Enq6K)
Posted by: joncelli, Ray of Freakin' Sunshine at August 10, 2017 03:26 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 03:26 PM (7uYFy)
Posted by: Under Fire at August 10, 2017 03:27 PM (mcI77)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 10, 2017 03:27 PM (KP5rU)
Posted by: shibumi at August 10, 2017 03:28 PM (aT+Bx)
Posted by: Tami"
It is also came with Kurt Eichenwald's tentacle pron collection.
Posted by: Benji Carver at August 10, 2017 03:28 PM (OD2ni)
"1,976 MegaBytes of data in 87 seconds"
1,976 MB is equal to:
1,976,000,000 bytes
Multipy by 8 to get into bits:
15,808,000,000 bits
Now divide by 87 seconds:
181,701,149 bps (bits per second)
Or approx: 182 mbps (megabits per second)
That is very fast. Not impossible speeds, but unlikely speeds, given that it would have to have gone overseas to the Kremlin or wherever.
Posted by: other joe_mama at August 10, 2017 03:28 PM (C7VXP)
until it is needed again.
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 10, 2017 03:24 PM (gwPgz)
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Intelligence agencies are large enough where at least one or two people know exactly where this intel is sequestered. Information like this is never forgotten.
Posted by: Soona at August 10, 2017 03:28 PM (Fmupd)
And yet Barack Obama managed to win two terms.
Weasel Zippers
Sigh, hey race baitors, not everything is about race
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2017 03:29 PM (5y11N)
Posted by: Under Fire at August 10, 2017 03:27 PM
(mcI77
Maybe he's trying to get Elaine Chao to resign?
Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 03:29 PM (7uYFy)
In reality, the transfer speed is going to be determined by a lot of things. I've got a 45 MB pipe from At&T and usually manage 4 MB/sec or so, max. That's determined by load on the source server, internal routings at the source, and routing between source and me. The size of the pipe you buy from your ISP doesn't usually make that much difference.
On the other hand, if I download a movie from Amazon, then store it on a WD Cloud Drive, I see 25 - 30 MB/sec over my home WiFi (5.0 GHz band).
So the story seems rock solid to me.
Posted by: EndOfPatience at August 10, 2017 03:29 PM (PVBzL)
And yet Barack Obama managed to win two terms.
Weasel Zippers
Sigh, hey race baitors, not everything is about race
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2017 03:29 PM (5y11N)\
Lol. The electoral college came to be before blacks had the franchise.
Unless that's his point....but still.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 03:30 PM (7uYFy)
Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 03:30 PM (7uYFy)
her point, but hey in today's world I could be wrong? Buyer beware. LOL
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2017 03:31 PM (5y11N)
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at August 10, 2017 03:32 PM (XFue2)
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 10, 2017 03:32 PM (pvpcV)
patriot who would put their country above their pension?"
The only FBI agent I ever heard of who did -- sort of -- was a hardcore lefty who quit the bureau during the Reagan Administration because he didn't agree with their surveillance of "peace" groups protesting US involvement in Central America. He ended up forfeiting his pension although IIRC he sued (unsuccessfully) to get it back. Google Look up "Jack Ryan, FBI Agent, Peoria, Illinois" for more info.
Posted by: Secret Square at August 10, 2017 03:32 PM (+HoK2)
And I'm pretty sure that the who, what, where, and why has been known by people who should know, for a long time. Kabuki theater on steroids.
Posted by: mrp at August 10, 2017 03:33 PM (Pqytn)
Posted by: Fritz at August 10, 2017 03:33 PM (2Mnv1)
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at August 10, 2017 03:33 PM (XFue2)
Posted by: joncelli, Ray of Freakin' Sunshine at August 10, 2017 03:26 PM (RD7QR)
............
Making Assassination Great Again
Posted by: wth at August 10, 2017 03:33 PM (HgMAr)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 10, 2017 03:27 PM (KP5rU)
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Agree. The swamp will do what swamps do. The corruption will decompose the evidence. What we're seeing now is advanced decay.
Posted by: Soona at August 10, 2017 03:33 PM (Fmupd)
Posted by: Secret Square at August 10, 2017 03:34 PM (+HoK2)
Posted by: Reality Man at August 10, 2017 03:34 PM (Ch0fq)
Google Look up "Jack Ryan, FBI Agent, Peoria, Illinois" for more info.
Posted by: Secret Square at August 10, 2017 03:32 PM (+HoK2
Man, I bet Jeri was PRETTTY mad...
Posted by: kraken at August 10, 2017 03:34 PM (zSVEm)
Posted by: Fritz at August 10, 2017 03:33 PM (2Mnv1)
He was fairly good in " Buffy"...
Posted by: kraken at August 10, 2017 03:35 PM (zSVEm)
Posted by: joncelli, Ray of Freakin' Sunshine at August 10, 2017 03:26 PM (RD7QR)
Trump's guy was so good that Rich didn't even know he was shot.
Now that's one classy hit.
Posted by: jwest at August 10, 2017 03:36 PM (Zs4uk)
Posted by: mrp at August 10, 2017 03:36 PM (Pqytn)
But we have John Podesta's word on it.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at August 10, 2017 03:37 PM (36gza)
Was Seth Rich related to Marc Rich?
Posted by: mrp at August 10, 2017 03:36 PM (Pqytn)
Oh that's rich!
Posted by: Tami at August 10, 2017 03:37 PM (Enq6K)
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at August 10, 2017 03:37 PM (XFue2)
Posted by: mrp"
No, but I believe he was related to former Bills backup QB Frank Rich.
Posted by: Benji Carver at August 10, 2017 03:38 PM (OD2ni)
Y2K happened. We entered a new simulation where the earth is flat and interdemensional vampires live off of our chi fueled from the deep holographic matrix all around us.
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at August 10, 2017 03:37 PM (XFue2)
" George Noori, paging George Noori..."
Posted by: kraken at August 10, 2017 03:39 PM (zSVEm)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 10, 2017 03:40 PM (6bMel)
Posted by: Benji Carver at August 10, 2017 03:38 PM (OD2ni)
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Then there's the long-time NYT goofball Frank Rich.
Posted by: mrp at August 10, 2017 03:40 PM (Pqytn)
Y2K happened. We entered a new simulation where the earth is flat and
interdemensional vampires live off of our chi fueled from the deep
holographic matrix all around us.
=====
Made me laugh. TY.
Posted by: mustbequantum at August 10, 2017 03:40 PM (MIKMs)
The fact that it seems not only is the GOP aware of it, they are complicit in it and are willingly turning a blind eye to it.
Posted by: Kreplach at August 10, 2017 03:41 PM (9A6UB)
No, but I believe he was related to former Bills backup QB Frank Rich.
That will cost you 15 yds and loss of down.It's Frank Reich
Posted by: Will Munny at August 10, 2017 03:42 PM (lKyWE)
The fact that it seems not only is the GOP aware of it, they are complicit in it and are willingly turning a blind eye to it.
Posted by: Kreplach at August 10, 2017 03:41 PM (9A6UB)
Maybe what Trump can do is at least point out that there IS a swamp.....
Posted by: kraken at August 10, 2017 03:43 PM (zSVEm)
Posted by: Neil deGrasse Tyson at August 10, 2017 03:43 PM (OD2ni)
The fact that it seems not only is the GOP aware of it, they are complicit in it and are willingly turning a blind eye to it.
^^^this^^^
^^^this^^^
^^^this^^^ times 1000.
UNIPARTY
Posted by: USNtakim at August 10, 2017 03:43 PM (zZWkn)
Posted by: Maggie Gray at August 10, 2017 03:44 PM (kcQIp)
Posted by: mrp"
Longtime Memphis wrestler and very brief NWA World Champion, Tommy "Wildfire" Rich.
Posted by: ScoggDog at August 10, 2017 03:44 PM (aN6O8)
Wirklich?
Posted by: Sporkatus at August 10, 2017 03:44 PM (eXSOZ)
Posted by: Neil deGrasse Tyson at August 10, 2017 03:43 PM (OD2ni)
because frogs don't really have watertight assholes
Posted by: wth at August 10, 2017 03:44 PM (HgMAr)
Was Seth Rich related to Marc Rich?"
Marc's ex-wife Denise had big 'ol hooters. Let me tell ya.
Posted by: Bill Clinton at August 10, 2017 03:45 PM (OD2ni)
Posted by: Strobe at August 10, 2017 03:45 PM (gbWkA)
You know who else had a thing about Reiches?
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 10, 2017 03:46 PM (6bMel)
Posted by: alexthechick - a manatee life for me at August 10, 2017 03:46 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 10, 2017 03:47 PM (KP5rU)
That is very fast. Not impossible speeds, but unlikely speeds, given that it would have to have gone overseas to the Kremlin or wherever.
Posted by: other joe_mama at August 10, 2017 03:28 PM (C7VXP)
Whole thing would be very easy to prove... with physical access to the network.... and server.
Server, wiring, Switch, Firewall, Router, external wideband link... and the entire path to another country, would have to support more than that speed... with no slowdowns...
Heck, if sent TCP vice UDP, just the handshaking itself would kill the transfer speed...
Posted by: Don Q..,.. Philosophizer at August 10, 2017 03:50 PM (NgKpN)
1976/87 = 22.7 MB/sec (round up to 23)
23 MB/s = 184Mbps
My closest big city (Chattanooga) offers 1gigabps service for around $70. My ISP (in Dade Co,GA) also offers 1gigabps but I'm on the poor end at 100Mbps (and I routinely get 90Mbps). 1gigabps would easily handle that much data in 87 sec.
I also wouldn't expect a national political organization to be pinching pennies with their internet connectivity.
Posted by: The Packetman at August 10, 2017 03:51 PM (7GOFX)
Posted by: IrishEi at August 10, 2017 03:53 PM (HiDrR)
I also wouldn't expect a national political organization to be pinching pennies with their internet connectivity.
Posted by: The Packetman at August 10, 2017 03:51 PM (7GOFX)
That's 1 Gig max download speed, you upload speed would be significantly slower...
AND, your computer, house wiring, switch, router, and firewall... would all have to support those speeds...
Plus, the path to the other country where this supposedly was done from, would have to support that speed, AS WELL AS ALL THEIR EQUIPMENT...
Now, if done as a hack, it was NOT done as a direct attack, it was done through a Proxy server to mask that attack... so THEIR equipment would also have to support those speeds...
All links in the chain of communication would have to support that speed AT A MINIMUM...
Posted by: Don Q..,.. Philosophizer at August 10, 2017 03:57 PM (NgKpN)
It was inside. Not a hack
And that makes for a whole host of interesting questions
Posted by: KenH at August 10, 2017 04:19 PM (nER8W)
15808 Mb / 87 sec = 181.7 Mb/s (commonly written as Mbps)
These rates are high but not unobtainable. However, they are dependent upon the DNC having at least a 200 Mbps ISP connection. That's certainly not crazy talk - many mid-sized organizations have several hundred Mbps connections, and well into Gbps range.
The point about the transoceanic issue is quite valid ... if it applied, but the truth is a hacker wouldn't necessarily steal data to his personal system (in fact, this is a terrible idea as it points the finger right at you). It'd be much better to first compromise a system in Alexandria, especially a system owned by an org that does business with the DNC. Then you transfer the file to the Alexandrian server and then from there to some other location. Preferably with multiple bounces, including some through countries that won't give US authority access to their systems.
TL;DR ... they're flat wrong when they say these speeds are impossible over the Internet UNLESS the DNC was super-cheap with their ISP.
Posted by: Network Engineer at August 10, 2017 04:22 PM (4QpQE)
Posted by: ThomasR at August 10, 2017 04:28 PM (khIpu)
Yet when pressed on this, the answer always becomes something nebulous about internet trolls.
Mind you, the same people bleating on about Russia, think voter fraud is a myth, even as evidence mounts to support that its pervasive.
Posted by: Rodney C. Johnson at August 10, 2017 04:32 PM (A5STV)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine
Fake! Those are lug wrenches, dammit!
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at August 10, 2017 04:32 PM (di1hb)
Read G-2space, Adam Carter's page. He has links to The Forensicator and Disobedient Media.
There was NO hack; it was a leak and yes, I believe the Awans are involved in Seth Rich's death and that Seth was the leaker.
Whatever you think of KDC, unprompted he brought up a DNC leak in his Bloomberg interview in April of 2016 before anyone was saying anything about a breach. How did he know? And what would provoke Assange to bring up the murder of Seth Rich during his Dutch tv interview?
Posted by: flowerbelle1 at August 10, 2017 04:39 PM (AkAvN)
And if the last file was big then the difference in creation time stamps isn't a complete measure.
Posted by: DaveA at August 10, 2017 04:59 PM (FhXTo)
Seems doable over ethernet.
I just did a dsl speed test and I downloaded at 11.8MBs from Atlanta to my desktop. And I'm on the 100Mbs link, not on the really high speed part of our network.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 10, 2017 05:00 PM (QQ+il)
You're thinking of Rich Little--you know, Little Richard's brother.
There is a connection of sorts.
Marc Rich was selling technology to the Ayatollah (before that became Official Policy). The Clinton/Rodham Gang sold him a pardon. The US Atty. who gave the Clintons a pass--Jim Comey. If you count the non-investigation of the Clinton Foundation, that is the third "pardon'" Comey has given the Clintons.
He was rewarded with the FBI job.
BTW, after Ashcroft recused, Dep. Atty. Gen. Comey sicced Fitzgerald on Scooter Libby for the non-crime of Richard Armitage using Plame's name. The goal was to get Cheney removed.
Rot. From Top to Bottom.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at August 10, 2017 05:05 PM (EYwhF)
Throw in the illicit foreign money, likely in the 10's of millions, to make it worth the trouble/risk/$ investment in getting the job done. Somebody was about to get good and cornered.
Talk is cheap, silence can get real expensive.
Posted by: klaftern at August 10, 2017 05:07 PM (RuIsu)
Again, why in the hell would Putin want Trump over Hillary?
FFS
Posted by: Denny Crane! at August 10, 2017 05:44 PM (4bjXi)
Normal internet speeds are calculated in Bits...
8 bits to a Byte... so... would need a consistent 176 Mega BIT connection to reach that speed...
Getting that speed from another country? I don't see it...
Now.... even the backbone of most Networks, work at 100 Megabit per sec.... so even the NETWORK itself would not support that transfer rate...
So.... now... based on the size of the file... it was not a thumb drive...
If this information about speed of transfer is correct... it had to be an external USB backup drive...
Posted by: Don Q..,.. Philosophizer at August 10, 2017 02:20 PM (NgKpN)
Not quite. Most network backbones run at FAR higher speeds than 100 Mbit/sec. That's only Fast Ethernet speed, which is fast becoming obsolete. Your router in your house probably has Gigabit Ethernet ports. Most cellular companies (The one I work for anyway) has a IP backbone with individual circuits that run at 100 Gigabits per second each.
But the main bottleneck is the DNC server's upload speed. I get 300 Mbit/sec download speed from Spectrum easily, but my upload speed is limited to 25MBit/s. If they bought a service that goes higher than that (Which is entirely possible), then it's not unfeasible to get 187Mb/s upload speeds.
Posted by: Cymbaline at August 10, 2017 07:42 PM (f/uEA)
Posted by: Fen at August 10, 2017 08:07 PM (65BNR)
So to convert the quoted speed to your equivalent, divide by 8. If your quoted transfer speed is 80 mbps, that is equivalent to 10 megabytes per second. The speed calculated for these files is about 176 mbps. There are internet services available that fast for which one pays a premium. However multiple users sharing usage would slow it down, so it is only possible if the DNC had paid for a special "fast" connection, and no one else was using it. It is unlikely, I'll say that.
File attributes can be futzed if you know how to do it, but I don't see why these would be futzed in that particular way.
Also, there is a bit of time for opening and closing, and the connection would have to be fast on both ends. FIOS does offer a 300/300 service. In some places a 500/500 is available. I don't know. I think it is possible but very unlikely.
On a Verizon FIOS connection at this time of night as the sole user, I get a pretty consistent 17-19 mbps download rate, and about a 10 mbps upload rate. Needless to say, the theoretical rate is a lot higher. In megabytes per second, that would be 2.4/1.25. So this is not a normal internet connection, if it was one.
There are numerous free speedtest sites on the intertubes for you to try. Just search for "test upload download speed". Remember to divide the result by 8 to get the megabyte equivalent.
Posted by: MaxedOutMama at August 10, 2017 11:34 PM (jMapy)
Its like the old saw has it, when you hear hoofbeats in the night, it could be zebras or horses, but its probably horses.
Posted by: Old Toby at August 11, 2017 07:04 AM (W+I/H)
We're talking about a hack that is so close to the target, it's indistinguishable from a leak.
Posted by: spmat at August 12, 2017 09:48 AM (QuE2W)
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