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Claim: DNC Hack Was Not a Foreign Hack, But Done In-Person By Someone With Access to the System

Via Instapundit, Just One Minute links an article in The Nation claiming a report of intelligence experts says the "hack" wasn't really a remote hack at all, but an internal leak by a DNC official with close physical access to the system.

The Nation isn't at all clear about who it is publishing this report, but it could be a group called Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, who have disputed these claims before. They previously tried to debunk the case for the Iraq War when Bush was President. So they seem left-wing. (RUSSIA!!!)

This seems to be the most easily provable or disprovable -- and most dispositive on the subject -- claim being made:

There was no hack of the Democratic National Committee’s system on July 5 last year—not by the Russians, not by anyone else. Hard science now demonstrates it was a leak—a download executed locally with a memory key or a similarly portable data-storage device. In short, it was an inside job by someone with access to the DNC’s system. This casts serious doubt on the initial “hack,” as alleged, that led to the very consequential publication of a large store of documents on WikiLeaks last summer.

The VIPS group also made this claim on July 24th -- that the speed of the download was not possible over the internet, but could only be accomplished through the computer downloading to a physically-attached external storage device. Their report claimed:

The Key Event

July 5, 2016: In the early evening, Eastern Daylight Time, someone working in the EDT time zone with a computer directly connected to the DNC server or DNC Local Area Network, copied ,1,976 MegaBytes of data in 87 seconds onto an external storage device. That speed is much faster than what is physically possible with a hack.

It thus appears that the purported "hack" of the DNC by Guccifer 2.0 (the self-proclaimed WikiLeaks source) was not a hack by Russia or anyone else, but was rather a copy of DNC data onto an external storage device.

I don't know if that's true -- but it seems easily checkable, and we deserve answers about that.

Given The Nation's long, long history of flacking on behalf of Mother Russia, I am suspicious of their interest in disproving a Russia Hack narrative.

But, as I said, the case seems to be made upon two checkable facts: How much/how fast information was downloaded, and whether such download speeds are capable via remote hacking, or can only be done through a computer's physical ports.

I'd like this either rebutted or admitted by the "intelligence" community.

Posted by: Ace at 01:59 PM




Comments

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1 And from the Nation at that!

Posted by: andycanuck at August 10, 2017 02:00 PM (mJ8mX)

2 I'm reading the Nation article now, very interesting so far.

Posted by: Dr Spank at August 10, 2017 02:01 PM (nKbPK)

3 But Russia!

Posted by: steevy at August 10, 2017 02:02 PM (rmVvL)

4 I can hardly wait for the volcano part, Dr Spank! There is a volcano part isn't there?

Posted by: andycanuck at August 10, 2017 02:02 PM (mJ8mX)

5 Well, Julian Assange has claimed that all along. It was the guy that was murdered that did the deed.

Posted by: lynndh at August 10, 2017 02:03 PM (N33+S)

6 This is getting in the way of our fake news assault on the president.

- ABC, NBC, CNN, et al

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 10, 2017 02:03 PM (7ZVPa)

7 When was Seth Rich killed?

Posted by: Bicentennialguy at August 10, 2017 02:03 PM (0Hwq+)

8 The Russians have NAS (Network Attached Storage) too!

Posted by: CSMBigBird at August 10, 2017 02:03 PM (jsWA8)

9 Fake news. We all know it was Trump driving a stolen Macedonian content farm tractor, loaded down with Russian hackers on their way to a golden shower orgy, with tire iron fights to follow.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 10, 2017 02:03 PM (fA1SL)

10 Russia Hacked The World conspiracy whack-jobs hardest hit.

Posted by: DocJ at August 10, 2017 02:03 PM (NYS7S)

11 Haven't we known this for quite a while?

Posted by: HH at August 10, 2017 02:03 PM (mIJBI)

12 It's difficult to check because DWS refused to turn over the DNC servers to either DHS or the FBI. Both Comey and Jeh Johnson testified before Congress that they requested the servers so they could try and trace the source of the "hack" but she refused.

She also came out a couple weeks ago and claimed that both Johnson and Comey lied and they never asked for the servers.

I've believed for a long time this is what the Imran Awan thing is all about.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2017 02:03 PM (/tuJf)

13 The Leak.... it's coming from INSIDE the house!!!...

Posted by: kraken at August 10, 2017 02:04 PM (zSVEm)

14 Hacked like with an axe?

Posted by: Moron Robbie, Not Quite as Low-IQ as Michael Obama, But Not as Smart as Some Birds at August 10, 2017 02:04 PM (psH+N)

15 But what's wrong with stirring up trouble with with our nuclear armed adversary for internal political gain, anyway?

Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 10, 2017 02:04 PM (Nwg0u)

16 His name was Seth Rich.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 10, 2017 02:04 PM (fA1SL)

17 His name is Seth Rich.

Assange offered a $20,000 reward.

Posted by: shibumi at August 10, 2017 02:04 PM (aT+Bx)

18 Awan down, Awan to go.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 10, 2017 02:04 PM (ujwCG)

19 Seth Rich was killed July 10, 2016.

Posted by: sunny-dee at August 10, 2017 02:04 PM (QZvZn)

20 If only there was some group or organization in D.C. that had all the Dems' computers or hard-drives or the like, then maybe we could discover more about this.

Posted by: andycanuck at August 10, 2017 02:04 PM (mJ8mX)

21 This needs no ghost come from the grave to tell me....

Posted by: Ruth at August 10, 2017 02:04 PM (loZXu)

22 Sure. I'll buy that.

RIP, Seth. Maybe some day you'll get justice.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 10, 2017 02:04 PM (3OIiX)

23 I forget. Is The Nation lefty, GOPe, or goodguys?

Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2017 02:04 PM (9TU00)

24
Re: Speed claim.
Could have been Internet 2.0 connection -- if connected to DNC. They have ridiculous speed.

But the Russians don't get Internet 2.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at August 10, 2017 02:05 PM (EgwCt)

25 When was Seth Rich killed?
Not early enough apparently.

Posted by: andycanuck at August 10, 2017 02:05 PM (mJ8mX)

26 Imagine what had to be in that hack to make it worth murder.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at August 10, 2017 02:05 PM (CZRJo)

27 Seth Rich was killed July 10, 2016.
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Wow. So only five days later.

Posted by: Bicentennialguy at August 10, 2017 02:05 PM (0Hwq+)

28 >>I forget. Is The Nation lefty, GOPe, or goodguys?

Communist. Really.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2017 02:05 PM (/tuJf)

29 Forget it, Jake. It's Swamptown.

Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 10, 2017 02:05 PM (Nwg0u)

30 Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor Glory to Kekistan! at August 10, 2017 02:04 PM (

LOL. Great minds think alike!

Posted by: shibumi at August 10, 2017 02:06 PM (aT+Bx)

31 So? The ultra-Left, the MSM and the Democrats (all the same thing, I know) will move the goalposts or gin up some new lie. This will disappear without a trace.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 10, 2017 02:06 PM (BWL+E)

32 Coincidentally, a few minutes after that data dump, the toilet in Hillary's bathroom was flushed.

Posted by: Roy at August 10, 2017 02:06 PM (7n4KQ)

33 And yet, Mueller wanders through his own malign, twisted reality looking for something/anything to get to Trump.

Posted by: Soona at August 10, 2017 02:06 PM (Fmupd)

34 This all ties back to DWS. Imagine... an incompetent boob Dem.

Posted by: USNtakim at August 10, 2017 02:06 PM (zZWkn)

35 An insider also convinced Hillary not to go to Wisconsin.

Posted by: Mega at August 10, 2017 02:06 PM (CoAxc)

36 Who killed Seth Rich is going to be the new who was DB Cooper?

Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2017 02:07 PM (9TU00)

37 : How much/how fast information was downloaded,

Careful - now you're asking for someone to get math on the blog.

Posted by: DaveA at August 10, 2017 02:07 PM (FhXTo)

38 If Washington, DC keeps leaking like this, the entire city will sink back into the swamp.

Posted by: rickl at August 10, 2017 02:07 PM (xjiRE)

39 26 Imagine what had to be in that hack to make it worth murder.


With the left, it could have been just an anti-SJW tweet.

Posted by: Roy at August 10, 2017 02:08 PM (7n4KQ)

40 bet it was a DNC employee who loved Sanders and thought he was ripped off by the Dem establishment.

Posted by: Mallfly Maddow at August 10, 2017 02:08 PM (ILitO)

41 Hard science now demonstrates it was a leak

-
I'm pretty sure that's sexual harassment.

Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 10, 2017 02:08 PM (Nwg0u)

42 The entire Washington government structure is compromised and subverted.
It looks like a slow motion coup, and this " Deep State" we talk about is operating more and more in the open... with no resistance from Uniparty. It is like an End Game process going on.

Getting late in the day, for putting things right.

Posted by: kraken at August 10, 2017 02:08 PM (zSVEm)

43 Seth Rich was killed July 10, 2016.
-----

Wow. So only five days later.
Posted by: Bicentennialguy





Seth Rich was just a random burglary gone wrong.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 10, 2017 02:08 PM (U76Nz)

44 Damnit. Willowed on my multi barreled sniper rifle idea.

Posted by: Jack Sock at August 10, 2017 02:08 PM (A6Xv7)

45 But but but but ....TRUMP HAS THE NUCLEAR CODES!!! OMG!!!

Posted by: Media at August 10, 2017 02:09 PM (7uYFy)

46 Who killed SR?

Posted by: Zombie Larry Hagman at August 10, 2017 02:09 PM (bc2Lc)

47 I don't think anyone cares or any minds will be changed.

Sorta like killing Caesar in the Shakespeare play. No one cared until they thought they might get money out of it. (Where is the Will of Caesar? Caesar left you money in his Will. They killed him and took your money.)

Where is Money from DNC? The DNC had Money Galore (Pussy Galore James Bond reference) and would want all to share now that Hillary can never be President. (yay!)

Where is Money from DNC?

Posted by: Mudd at August 10, 2017 02:09 PM (cfHE9)

48 I thought Seth Rich had a late night comedy show.

Posted by: Roy at August 10, 2017 02:09 PM (7n4KQ)

49 The Nation is hard left, although with some journalistic integrity. usually they only oppose a Democrat if s/he is too pro business. so they did some anti Clinton stuff in the 1990s (although weren't as good at it as Sullivan's New Republic was).

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at August 10, 2017 02:10 PM (hXkPS)

50 Seth Rich was just a random burglary gone wrong.
Just like the Hamburg stabbings as I've heard from IQ140 experts here.
Peons.

Posted by: andycanuck at August 10, 2017 02:10 PM (mJ8mX)

51 "I forget. Is The Nation lefty, GOPe, or goodguys?"

Hard-nut Left. They're even nuttier than me.

Posted by: Algore at August 10, 2017 02:10 PM (398bZ)

52 You know, with the specific file size and time - the DNCs ISP could do a traffic regression an prove it didn't go out on their circuit. There are ways to defat that - but it would be a nice piece of info to know.

Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2017 02:10 PM (9TU00)

53 I'm going to need a fact check on this key assertion:

"This yields a transfer rate of 22.7 megabytes per second. No Internet service provider, such as a hacker would have had to use in mid-2016, was capable of downloading data at this speed."

I'm just some random idiot with crappy Comcast Internet, and my Internet connection is around 80 Mbps.

Posted by: Color Me Skeptical at August 10, 2017 02:10 PM (75+1T)

54 Burglaries happen all the time where you get shot in the back and they don't take anything.

Posted by: Mega at August 10, 2017 02:10 PM (CoAxc)

55 "1,976 MegaBytes of data in 87 seconds"

Day-ummmm.

That would take either a direct machine-to-machine connection, or a really fast Ethernet connection on a Local Area Network.

The only way to do that "remotely" is if the target machine had a really powerful "trunk connection" (or whatever they're called) like a T-1 line -- which almost no one does outside of big servers.

But, admittedly, I am no expert. Takes me three minutes down to download one tailpipe fetish porn clip!

Posted by: zombie at August 10, 2017 02:10 PM (DQ4Fv)

56 As a JOM alumnus, I can attest to the skill and incredible contacts their commentors have. Meticulous researchers.

Posted by: jwest at August 10, 2017 02:10 PM (Zs4uk)

57 Seth Rich was just a random burglary gone wrong.

-
He was murdered by coincidence.

Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 10, 2017 02:10 PM (Nwg0u)

58 I wonder if this shit will finally stop when--and I AM NOT wishing for this --McCain assumes room temperature.

Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 02:11 PM (7uYFy)

59 down to download = just to download

Posted by: zombie at August 10, 2017 02:11 PM (DQ4Fv)

60 There's a lot of talk in the comment section about high-speed internet being capable of this transfer, but remember that if you're transferring something from one computer to another over the net, that the speed limit will be set by the target computer's maximum upload speed, not the recipient computer's maximum download speed.

In most networks, the latter is considerably faster than the former.

Posted by: TB at August 10, 2017 02:11 PM (wNx6K)

61 Seth Rich was just a random burglary gone wrong.

-
He was murdered by coincidence.
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks



I was repeatedly told it was random.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 10, 2017 02:12 PM (U76Nz)

62 Burglaries happen all the time where you get shot in the back and they don't take anything.
---

And the founder of Wikileaks, living in hiding, offers a signficant reward for the capture of the murderer of random people that they've never met on a daily basis as well.

Posted by: shibumi at August 10, 2017 02:12 PM (aT+Bx)

63 r if this shit will finally stop when--and I AM NOT wishing for this --McCain assumes room temperature.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 02:11 PM (7uYFy)


Honestly, Imdon't think so... the Deep State is huge, and well established... McCain is just a tool..

Posted by: kraken at August 10, 2017 02:12 PM (zSVEm)

64 Do you know how naive you sound, Michael? DNC senators and the Clinton's don't have men killed.

Oh? Who's being naive Kay.

Posted by: Strobe at August 10, 2017 02:12 PM (gbWkA)

65 I thought Seth Rich had a late night comedy show.
-------------

Yeah. Saturday Night Dead.

Too soon

Posted by: Mega at August 10, 2017 02:13 PM (CoAxc)

66 I was repeatedly told it was random.
---

I was also told repeatedly that Islam is a religion of peace and that I have nothing to fear from Barack Obama as president.


Posted by: shibumi at August 10, 2017 02:13 PM (aT+Bx)

67 lol, yeah the 1990s Nation hated Al Gore even more than they hated Clinton. they remembered his Blue Dog days in the 1980s. he was anti abortion then. the Nation didn't like his votes authorising Desert Shield / Storm either.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at August 10, 2017 02:13 PM (hXkPS)

68 Seth Rich was killed July 10, 2016.
-----

Wow. So only five days later. ?

-
Well, these things take a certain amount of time. Gotta get a petition typed up, gotta go through committee . . . .

Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 10, 2017 02:13 PM (Nwg0u)

69 I thought Seth Rich had a late night comedy show.
-------------

Yeah. Saturday Night Dead.

Too soon
Posted by: Mega at August 10, 2017 02:13 PM (CoAxc)

No no no. You're thinking of Seth Rogan.

Seth Rich is the actor who makes all those dumb stoner comedies.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 10, 2017 02:14 PM (KUaJL)

70 I'm feeling better all the time. These are the most stupid intelligence people in the world.

Posted by: Imran Awan at August 10, 2017 02:14 PM (3myMJ)

71 >>I'm just some random idiot with crappy Comcast Internet, and my Internet connection is around 80 Mbps.

That's not how it really works though.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2017 02:14 PM (/tuJf)

72 Crap. messed up the joke.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 10, 2017 02:14 PM (KUaJL)

73 12 It's difficult to check because DWS refused to turn over the DNC servers to either DHS or the FBI.


When do we find her in contempt of congress and throw her in the brig?

Posted by: Cicero Boom chicka boom Kaboom! Kid at August 10, 2017 02:15 PM (LjG7N)

74 OT a bit but reminded me of the Wall Street trader 'scam' (yeah it was legal) where one firm laid fiber optic cable where they would get their trades in a second faster . This was defeated by just spooling the cable in place to make up for that second.

Posted by: Jack Sock at August 10, 2017 02:15 PM (A6Xv7)

75 "This yields a transfer rate of 22.7 megabytes per second. No Internet service provider, such as a hacker would have had to use in mid-2016, was capable of downloading data at this speed."

Upload speed. Most networks are not symmetrical. They are designed to deliver packets from the core to the periphery. So the upload speed - the PC to the LAN to the cloud is what matters. Upload speed usually lags download; unless you're on a circuit purchased for that purpose - like a Russian chat whore.

Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2017 02:15 PM (9TU00)

76 Seth Rich Little. He impersonated a doorknob.

Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 10, 2017 02:16 PM (Nwg0u)

77 64 Do you know how naive you sound, Michael? DNC senators and the Clinton's don't have men killed.

Oh? Who's being naive Kay.
Posted by: Strobe at August 10, 2017 02:12 PM (gbWkA)


Now, that's not a Godfather quote you get to use every day.

Posted by: jwest at August 10, 2017 02:16 PM (Zs4uk)

78 DWS (and the rest) refused to turn over the DNC servers.

Thankfully the FBI did an early morning raid of the HQ the next day.

Oh wait, no, that was Manafort, a year later.

At least the FBI did the early morning raid on Hillary when they found out (after six years) that Hillary had a private server. Otherwise she could have wiped her devices or smashed them with hammers.

Wait, WTF .. they never raided Hillary either? It's like the FBI heads are part of the Clinton crime syndicate or something.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 10, 2017 02:16 PM (7Ep0P)

79 I think I will make t-shirts - "Who Killed Seth Rich" and try to sell them in Portland, OR. I am sure these libs will want to know who killed one of the DNC staffers....right?

Posted by: TruthforSeth at August 10, 2017 02:16 PM (3aBcq)

80 Rich Little impersonated a hacker?

Posted by: Jack Sock at August 10, 2017 02:16 PM (A6Xv7)

81 If I'm not mistaken, people who are about to be murdered don't struggle at all--they just kind of smile. Only those about to be robbed struggle and show "signs of a struggle" on their corpses, as Seth Rich's did. This stands to reason, when you think about it. Your life isn't very valuable, but the $15 bucks in your pocket? That's worth a fight.

Unbelievable.

Posted by: Zod at August 10, 2017 02:17 PM (Bdeb0)

82 Fortunately for the DNC, the media will remain mum. Only far left rags will carry it, because Bernie.

DNC has embargoed Fusion GPS and so far, most low-information voters still don't understand that Fusion GPS took money from Russia and paid a foreign intelligence agent to put together the dossier based on reports from Russia.

Posted by: MacGruber at August 10, 2017 02:17 PM (S+el1)

83 I still believe there is a connection between Seth Rich's death and Imran Awan. Perhaps Rich was the leaker, and Awan took care of him for the Dems.

Posted by: IrishEi at August 10, 2017 02:17 PM (HiDrR)

84 I never thought I'd say this, but here it is: 'To the reporters and editors at The Nation, I offer my most sincere thanks for your fine work. Please accept this laurel wreath, a hearty handshake, and a free helicopter ride as tokens of my gratitude and appreciation.'

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 10, 2017 02:17 PM (fA1SL)

85 (1,976 MegaBytes * / (of data in 87seconds)

= 181.7 Mbps (50 Mbps is fast home internet)

IDK what average fast commercial speeds are.

Posted by: DaveA at August 10, 2017 02:17 PM (FhXTo)

86 53
I'm going to need a fact check on this key assertion:



"This yields a transfer rate of 22.7 megabytes per second. No
Internet service provider, such as a hacker would have had to use in
mid-2016, was capable of downloading data at this speed."



I'm just some random idiot with crappy Comcast Internet, and my Internet connection is around 80 Mbps.

Posted by: Color Me Skeptical at August 10, 2017 02:10 PM (75+1T)

I *think* 80 Mbps is Megabits per second.....not Megabytes.

Posted by: Tami at August 10, 2017 02:17 PM (Enq6K)

87 All of what is going on makes me think about National Socialism, and oligarchies, and Fascism, and I.G.Farben, and Krupp.... ( I know that there is not a literal correlation to current affairs, but still..)

Posted by: kraken at August 10, 2017 02:17 PM (zSVEm)

88 Little Richard's dead???

Posted by: andycanuck at August 10, 2017 02:18 PM (mJ8mX)

89 >>Upload speed. Most networks are not symmetrical. They are designed to deliver packets from the core to the periphery. So the upload speed - the PC to the LAN to the cloud is what matters. Upload speed usually lags download; unless you're on a circuit purchased for that purpose - like a Russian chat whore.

Not to mention the path within the internet from requestor to source.

Nobody is getting an 80

Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2017 02:18 PM (/tuJf)

90 They offered Bernie Madoff the job of running the DNC but he turned it down. Said it was too crooked.

Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 10, 2017 02:19 PM (Nwg0u)

91 >Upload speed. Most networks are not symmetrical. They are designed to deliver packets from the core to the periphery. So the upload speed - the PC to the LAN to the cloud is what matters. Upload speed usually lags download; unless you're on a circuit purchased for that purpose - like a Russian chat whore.

Not to mention the path within the internet from requestor to source.

Nobody is getting an 80
Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2017 02:18 PM (/tuJf)


So, putting the 'puter in a bowl of ice... good idea, or bad..?

Posted by: kraken at August 10, 2017 02:20 PM (zSVEm)

92 Transfer would have been 22 Mega BYTES per second...

Normal internet speeds are calculated in Bits...

8 bits to a Byte... so... would need a consistent 176 Mega BIT connection to reach that speed...

Getting that speed from another country? I don't see it...

Now.... even the backbone of most Networks, work at 100 Megabit per sec.... so even the NETWORK itself would not support that transfer rate...

So.... now... based on the size of the file... it was not a thumb drive...

If this information about speed of transfer is correct... it had to be an external USB backup drive...

Posted by: Don Q..,.. Philosophizer at August 10, 2017 02:20 PM (NgKpN)

93 >>87
All of what is going on makes me think about National Socialism, and
oligarchies, and Fascism, and I.G.Farben, and Krupp.... ( I know that
there is not a literal correlation to current affairs, but still..) Posted by: kraken at August 10, 2017 02:17 PM (zSVEm)

If you haven't read it, William Manchester's "The Arms of Krupp" is outstanding.

Posted by: Zod at August 10, 2017 02:20 PM (Bdeb0)

94 When the DNC has things
They want to keep well hid
You can always go to--
Download

When you don't have the time
To bleach like with a cloth
You can always go to
Download

The Pakistani IT guy
Who's banging Mayo Debbie
Podesta and Pizzagate's
About to get too heavy
Just call it fake news

I'm warning you one more time, Seth
You should forget all you know and
Forget the download and go..
Down...(boom)

Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 02:20 PM (7uYFy)

95 Awan down, Awan to go.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 10, 2017 02:04 PM (ujwCG)

Awan, anna two, anna three!

Posted by: zombie lawrence Welk at August 10, 2017 02:20 PM (iPbwM)

96 Do you know how naive you sound, Michael? DNC senators and the Clinton's don't have men killed.
***
On the one hand it sounds unbelievable.

On the other hand, no Washington staffers have been murdered in...15 years(Chandra Levy)? And we have a case of one being murdered 6 days after he leaked information that could have lost Hillary the election.

The official claim is mugging.

We have no mugger arrested.
The "mugger" didn't take any of Seth's valuable.

Occam's razor answers this one...or Sherlock Holmes's maxim, "when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth"

Posted by: 18-1 at August 10, 2017 02:21 PM (eSx+E)

97 81. Zod is correct, and his is the voice of experience.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 10, 2017 02:21 PM (fA1SL)

98 ..80 Mbps...

Mbps megabits.
MBps megabytes.

In most cases 8 bits per byte. Special cases do apply.

Posted by: Mudd at August 10, 2017 02:21 PM (cfHE9)

99 >>84
I never thought I'd say this, but here it is: 'To the reporters and
editors at The Nation, I offer my most sincere thanks for your fine
work. Please accept this laurel wreath, a hearty handshake, and a free
helicopter ride as tokens of my gratitude and appreciation.' Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor Glory to Kekistan! at August 10, 2017 02:17 PM (fA1SL)

To the editors of The Nation: You have served us well. Now, off to the TrumpCamps with you.

Posted by: Zod at August 10, 2017 02:22 PM (Bdeb0)

100 Upload speed. Most networks are not symmetrical.

Yeahbut - Wouldn't the DNC be a large upload operation?

Posted by: DaveA at August 10, 2017 02:22 PM (FhXTo)

101 But the MSM dog did nothing in the night-time.
That was the curious incident.

Posted by: andycanuck at August 10, 2017 02:23 PM (mJ8mX)

102 I've believed for a long time this is what the Imran Awan thing is all about.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2017 02:03 PM (/tuJf)


My theory is that the DNC has been laundering foreign money for a long time, and didn't want anyone to see their email servers because of the evidence of that. It's also why they hired a sketchy IT firm rather than one with a better reputation.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at August 10, 2017 02:24 PM (Tnhbr)

103 King Richard killed Little John?

Posted by: Cicero Boom chicka boom Kaboom! Kid at August 10, 2017 02:24 PM (LjG7N)

104 "48 I thought Seth Rich had a late night comedy show.

Posted by: Roy"


How could you mess tat up. Don't you know Seth Meyers destroyed Trump last night. He'll never win now.

Posted by: Benji Carver at August 10, 2017 02:24 PM (OD2ni)

105 Between Hillary and Wasserman-Schultz who could tell? Both were criminally careless with sensitive information.

Posted by: mustbequantum at August 10, 2017 02:24 PM (MIKMs)

106 103. Burger King killed Little Caesar & Poppa John?

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 10, 2017 02:24 PM (fA1SL)

107 Evidently, there is not one patriot employed at the FBI.

Scuttle the entire agency PDT.

Posted by: Under Fire at August 10, 2017 02:25 PM (mcI77)

108 >>My theory is that the DNC has been laundering
foreign money for a long time, Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at August 10, 2017 02:24 PM (Tnhbr)

The Clinton Global Initiative is the vector, and doesn't even bother structuring the money.

Posted by: Zod at August 10, 2017 02:25 PM (Bdeb0)

109 Wouldn't it be nice if the FBI had actually looked at the physical evidence of the hacking on the DNC's computers?


But then somebody may have accused them of being competent and impartial.

Posted by: LGoPs at August 10, 2017 02:25 PM (5XCN6)

110 King Richard killed Little John?

Ooo da lally!

Posted by: Friar Tuck at August 10, 2017 02:26 PM (u0s1P)

111 Perfectly executed False Flag - hack your own system internally, leak selected files, float Russia as the culprit, watch the media use it as a tool to attempt to invalidate the election, manipulate the compromised DOJ to ensure only a cursory investigation is performed as lip service then demand a special investigation knowing the Republicans would be too stupid to oppose or even establish any limits.

Posted by: Sewer Urchin at August 10, 2017 02:26 PM (B9OsQ)

112 101. Yep. DNC get one of their guys killed, and absolute silence.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 10, 2017 02:26 PM (fA1SL)

113 Maybe the Norks have a "ludicrous speed" connection

Posted by: Bruce at August 10, 2017 02:26 PM (8ikIW)

114 >>The Clinton Global Initiative is the vector, and doesn't even bother structuring the money.

Which explains why out of all the lawyers in DC Imran Awan is being represented by a long time Clinton fixer who was also an employee of the CGI.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2017 02:26 PM (/tuJf)

115 Would you allow the FBI to look at your servers if you had lists of dead and illegal alien voters and documented foreign donations?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 10, 2017 02:26 PM (7ZVPa)

116 111. Too many moving parts.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 10, 2017 02:27 PM (fA1SL)

117 Nat King Cole killed L'il Kim?

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at August 10, 2017 02:27 PM (CPk08)

118 :::lurks along the floor of the loch:::

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 10, 2017 02:27 PM (dueIV)

119 The Clinton Global Initiative is the vector, and doesn't even bother structuring the money.

Posted by: Zod at August 10, 2017 02:25 PM (Bdeb0)


Yeah, my feeling is that once the Clinton acolytes were in power, they started pulling the same crap and paying off every Dem politician, staffer, and activist that was loyal. There was a huge amount of cash that was flowing into Dem bank accounts.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at August 10, 2017 02:27 PM (Tnhbr)

120 In honor of the push for more females in STEM and the discussion of megabytes and a coincidental mention of the name on the art thread, I salute Grace Hopper . SALUTE.

Posted by: Jack Sock at August 10, 2017 02:27 PM (A6Xv7)

121 When's BSG going to show up and put us some knowledge?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 10, 2017 02:27 PM (iPbwM)

122 Yeahbut - Wouldn't the DNC be a large upload operation?

Serving pages, email blasts, etc.

I've seen speedtest.net hit 50, but it's 18/4 now.

Posted by: DaveA at August 10, 2017 02:27 PM (FhXTo)

123 Seth Rich was killed before July 5, so put that one to bed.

The more likely scenario is that one of the Awan cabal did this via DWS.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 10, 2017 02:27 PM (5SCmO)

124 Seth Rich was just a random burglary gone wrong.

(in the voice of Colombo) Right, we all agree it was a robbery. (squinting eyes) But, one thing that keeps bothering me about this...one little thing: every robbery I've investigated, every single one, involves something being stolen.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at August 10, 2017 02:27 PM (ty7RM)

125
Little Richard's dead???
Posted by: andycanuck


But Big Dick is alive and well.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 10, 2017 02:27 PM (IqV8l)

126 So the DNC is even more inept than the RNC. Hard to gronk...I guess the answer has to be uniparty. Neither party has National interests at its core. Screw em both.

Posted by: USNtakim at August 10, 2017 02:27 PM (zZWkn)

127 >>105
Between Hillary and Wasserman-Schultz who could tell? Both were criminally careless with sensitive information. Posted by: mustbequantum at August 10, 2017 02:24 PM (MIKMs)

Hillary is the beta-test cylon lesbian strapon pitcher. DWS is...well, less than that. I know it's not exact, but there it is.

Posted by: Zod at August 10, 2017 02:27 PM (Bdeb0)

128 Please accept this laurel wreath, a hearty handshake
The second read, with "laurel and hearty (Hardy)" was a joke that I failed to notice for a long time, much to my shame.

Posted by: Sporkatus at August 10, 2017 02:28 PM (eXSOZ)

129

Breaking News:

Canadian diplomat in Cuba treated for headaches, hearing loss
Confirmation of health issue comes day after U.S. says diplomats in Havana targeted by sonic weapon


Not just Americans attacked in Cuba.

Big news.

www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cuba-canadian-diplomat-1.4242033

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 10, 2017 02:28 PM (fceHP)

130 I anticipate that each step taken in unraveling the criminal conspiracy that is the DNC will result in an additional indictment by Mueller of a Trump ally in order to deflect attention.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 10, 2017 02:28 PM (7ZVPa)

131 This stinks. Even worse than the last thread.

Posted by: RI Red - Making a List at August 10, 2017 02:28 PM (Cv+H4)

132 Who killed Seth Rich is going to be the new who was DB Cooper?

Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2017 02:07 PM (9TU00)

It was DWS with The Gorgon Stare.

Posted by: Roland THTG at August 10, 2017 02:29 PM (QM5S2)

133 Seth Rich was just unlucky, sort of like the UN official connected to illegal contributions from China to the Clintons who had that "weightlifting accident."

Just wacky coincidences. Just ask snopes.

Posted by: brak at August 10, 2017 02:29 PM (5iU/N)

134 Omerta, not just for breakfast anymore!

Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 10, 2017 02:29 PM (Nwg0u)

135
one little thing: every robbery I've investigated, every single one, involves something being stolen.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin


The explainers explain that the perp was interrupted and therefore fled before he could do the stealing.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 10, 2017 02:29 PM (IqV8l)

136 :::lurks along the floor of the loch:::
And now, as performed by Luciano Pavarotti, Nessie Dorma.

Posted by: Sporkatus at August 10, 2017 02:29 PM (eXSOZ)

137 Would you allow the FBI to look at your servers if
you had lists of dead and illegal alien voters and documented foreign
donations?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 10, 2017 02:26 PM (7ZVPa)


I know you're being rhetorical Vashta but the bottom line is that they shouldn't have been given the choice. The servers should have been seized...maybe even with the same zeal as Paul Manafort's documents, if you know what I mean.

Posted by: LGoPs at August 10, 2017 02:29 PM (5XCN6)

138 126 So the DNC is even more inept than the RNC. Hard to gronk...I guess the answer has to be uniparty. Neither party has National interests at its core. Screw em both.
Posted by: USNtakim at August 10, 2017 02:27 PM (zZWkn)

They always have been. They just had the MSM to coverup for them and be a fixer if necessary.

Posted by: Jack Sock at August 10, 2017 02:29 PM (A6Xv7)

139 Imagine how the Left would lose their shit if Trump starts in on Cuba?

Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 02:30 PM (7uYFy)

140 132. Killer Bob. The Man from Another Place & the Arm spilled the beans, err, garmonbozia, in the Red Room.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 10, 2017 02:30 PM (fA1SL)

141 Breaking News:

Canadian diplomat in Cuba treated for headaches, hearing loss
Confirmation of health issue comes day after U.S. says diplomats in Havana targeted by sonic weapon

Not just Americans attacked in Cuba.

Big news.

www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cuba-canadian-diplomat-1.4242033
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 10, 2017 02:28 PM (fceHP)


Hey wait a minute. We're NICE to those people! I don't get it!

Posted by: Most of Canada at August 10, 2017 02:30 PM (CPk08)

142 1990's TNR that was tough on Clinton was Michael Kelly. We lost him in Iraq in 2003. He is sorely missed.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 10, 2017 02:31 PM (mtbNU)

143 "DWS (and the rest) refused to turn over the DNC servers. Thankfully the FBI did an early morning raid of the HQ the next day. Oh wait, no, that was Manafort, a year later."

Let's also recall how the FBI allowed Cheryl Mills to formally assert "attorney-client privilege" with regard to conversations with Clinton -- even though Mills herself had been actively party to the alleged criminal acts in question.

Yeah, something tells me Trump and his associates are not going to be extended comparable white-glove courtesies by the Bureau.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 10, 2017 02:31 PM (ujwCG)

144 >>one little thing: every robbery I've investigated, every single one, involves something being stolen.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin


Exactly. This makes me wonder what part of "...and be sure, DON'T FORGET, to at least take his wristwatch! The robbery story won't stick without it" the perp didn't understand.



Posted by: Zod at August 10, 2017 02:31 PM (Bdeb0)

145 The explainers explain that the perp was interrupted and therefore fled before he could do the stealing.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot



Popping off a couple of rounds in a quiet neighborhood tends to do that.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 10, 2017 02:31 PM (U76Nz)

146 135. It could have gone down that way. But the coincidence still sticks in the craw.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 10, 2017 02:31 PM (fA1SL)

147
the UN official connected to illegal contributions from China to the Clintons who had that "weightlifting accident."

Another Columbo reference!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 10, 2017 02:32 PM (IqV8l)

148 Not just Americans attacked in Cuba.

Big news.

www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cuba-canadian-diplomat-1.4242033

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 10, 2017 02:28 PM (fceHP)

Now why would the Cubans attack an accredited representative of Fidel Castro's son, aka Justin Trudeau?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 10, 2017 02:32 PM (iPbwM)

149 So.... now... based on the size of the file... it was not a thumb drive...

??? 1.8gig ???
its an easy fit.

the 1st USB 3.0 amazon shows 32G, 16$, upto 150MBs transfer (seq read, no seq write listed which is where they slow up)

Posted by: DaveA at August 10, 2017 02:32 PM (FhXTo)

150 www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cuba-canadian-diplomat-1.4242033
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 10, 2017 02:28 PM (fceHP)

Hey wait a minute. We're NICE to those people! I don't get it!
Posted by: Most of Canada at August 10, 2017 02:30 PM (CPk0

Yeah well, Trump is so bad that they pick on anyone who even looks American....

Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 02:32 PM (7uYFy)

151 :::lurks along the floor of the loch:::

And now, as performed by Luciano Pavarotti, Nessie Dorma.
=====

The woods are lovely, dark and deep, and I have miles to go before I sleep.

Posted by: mustbequantum at August 10, 2017 02:32 PM (MIKMs)

152 In honor of the push for more females in STEM and the discussion of megabytes and a coincidental mention of the name on the art thread, I salute Grace Hopper . SALUTE.

Posted by: Jack Sock at August 10, 2017 02:27 PM (A6Xv7)




Personally, I salute Linda Ada Lovelace as an outstanding contributor to the field of STEM technology.

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 10, 2017 02:32 PM (gwPgz)

153 60 - ding ding ding, actually it's a series of network connections between the sites, and lowest speed + additional traffic = bottleneck speed.

Also let's not confuse Mbps with MB/s. Take your Mbps which is your theoretical max decide by 8, for conversion from bits to bytes, and multiply by .8 for overhead and that's pretty much the top end of your connection in real world MB/s

Posted by: Hope Solo at August 10, 2017 02:32 PM (q4Lza)

154 Yeah, something tells me Trump and his associates are not going to be extended comparable white-glove courtesies by the Bureau.


Burn it to the ground. They are the new American Stasi.

Posted by: LGoPs at August 10, 2017 02:32 PM (5XCN6)

155 >>>The Leak.... it's coming from INSIDE the house!!!...

You forgot to capitalize the "H"

Posted by: Max Power at August 10, 2017 02:33 PM (q177U)

156 The whole LE an IC apparatus has been politicized and corrupted.

Anything they produce is garbage.

They need to be scrapped and rebuilt from the ground up.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 10, 2017 02:33 PM (9A6UB)

157 Now why would the Cubans attack an accredited representative of Fidel Castro's son, aka Justin Trudeau?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 10, 2017 02:32 PM (iPbwM)

You know what? There is a resemblance.....

Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 02:33 PM (7uYFy)

158 Also, Internet traffic isn't just the data. Error correction, header info for routing, handshaking responses from the receiver ("I got packet #26/4,000,000, with checksum 03679434585357") adds up. Fire up a traffic monitor (even the integrated one in Windows), d/l some file, and note how many more bytes go back and forth vs. the size of that file.

Posted by: mikeski at August 10, 2017 02:33 PM (834zr)

159 ::::lurches to lunch on lox:::

Posted by: Edna Wasserlochner at August 10, 2017 02:33 PM (CPk08)

160 "1990's TNR that was tough on Clinton was Michael Kelly. We lost him in Iraq in 2003."

Those of us who occasionally eavesdrop at lefty blogs were treated to loudly giggling exultation over his death.

_Lese-majeste_ is never forgotten or forgiven by liberals.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 10, 2017 02:33 PM (ujwCG)

161 Seth Rich was the victim of trying to get in on the early stages of a newly gentrifying neighborhood. That area is better than it was (and getting better), but still not safe. No conspiracy IMO.

Posted by: Benji Carver at August 10, 2017 02:33 PM (OD2ni)

162 For the record: The next politically-motivated hit-job that occurs in the DC metro area that has a victim whose wristwatch has not been taken was not performed by Zod.

Zod always takes the wristwatch.

Posted by: Zod at August 10, 2017 02:34 PM (Bdeb0)

163 40 bet it was a DNC employee who loved Sanders and thought he was ripped off by the Dem establishment.
Posted by: Mallfly Maddow at August 10, 2017 02:08 PM (ILitO)



Yep. The obvious scenario.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 10, 2017 02:34 PM (SRKgf)

164 of course, the GOP are to blame since they played along with the drunk ramblings of the election's loser.

And they're protecting mueller too.

So, right now, the seth rich death andthe russia hax me stories about similar in believability (tbh, I find seth rich's murder murder more belive) so why not get a new, actual conservative warrior to investigate that...and throw in wet work molesta's shit into the mix too.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at August 10, 2017 02:34 PM (AU4SY)

165 ZZZZZZzzzzzZZZZ...

Huh?

Wha?

*smacks lips*

*yawns*

You got something I can recuse myself from?

I mean, I gotta get some work done today....

S-o-o-o-o, any recusals?

...

Okay..fine. i don't need to hear your excuses.

Got anyone's property I can seize?

Anybody'll do.

...Really?


What the hell am I paying you fel-


ZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZ...

Posted by: Jeff Sessions at August 10, 2017 02:34 PM (NyJwR)

166 your 80 mbps is bits, not bytes.

Posted by: JAS at August 10, 2017 02:34 PM (UnDQI)

167 zzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz

Posted by: Robert Mueller at August 10, 2017 02:34 PM (Mouru)

168 Killary Klinton

Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 10, 2017 02:34 PM (Nwg0u)

169 Yeah. Everybody is surprised the Democrats are full of shit. It's as if, that's their party platform. Well, that and RUSSIA!! OMG!!

Posted by: Marcus T, Ducking HR at August 10, 2017 02:34 PM (9KZTy)

170
You shoot someone in the back, twice -- you're basically saying, 'This is how we treat back-stabbers'.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at August 10, 2017 02:35 PM (EgwCt)

171 zzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Posted by: This Is CNN at August 10, 2017 02:35 PM (Mouru)

172 Posted by: Hrothgar at August 10, 2017 02:32 PM (gwPgz)

She already has a day named for her. Don't be greedy.

Posted by: Jack Sock at August 10, 2017 02:35 PM (A6Xv7)

173 Hey wait a minute. We're NICE to those people! I don't get it!
Posted by: Most of Canada at August 10, 2017 02:30 PM (CPk0


they vacation there

and June 16th:

Canada-Cuba relations are 'business as usual' despite what Trump is doing

says the boy king who showed off his Ramadan socks at a gay pride parade

But his Pride socks carried a subtler political message. Text on the socks read "Eid Mubarak," honoring the religious holiday that marks the end of Ramadan, the Islamic holy month of fasting, which coincides with Gay Pride this year.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 10, 2017 02:35 PM (fceHP)

174 The numbers provided work out to about 182 Mb/s, which is available as a high end consumer grade connection. I don't think the transfer rate is reasonable reason to claim it was an inside job.

Posted by: epv at August 10, 2017 02:35 PM (7n5AK)

175 Evidently, there is not one patriot employed at the FBI.
Scuttle the entire agency PDT.
Posted by: Under Fire at August 10, 2017 02:25 PM
~~~~~

My sentiments exactly. Many months ago I tweeted something to that effect---was there not one patriot who would put their country above their pension?

I still hold out hope that there are some who have gone the official whistle-blower route through congress, but I fear if they did not go to the right person (and obviously there are very few who can be trusted) that their info fell on deaf ears.

We will probably never know the truth. Read an article the other day (American Thinker maybe?) where the writer asked a friend of his who worked intel whether or not we could ever find the leakers. Intel guy said they ALWAYS find the leakers; problem is, it is almost always someone way high up, and then it gets buried.

Posted by: IrishEi at August 10, 2017 02:35 PM (HiDrR)

176 ZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZ...
Posted by: Jeff Sessions at August

***

I'm sorry, I say I say, a southern gentleman would never, I say never stoop so low as to investigate this unsavory matter.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at August 10, 2017 02:35 PM (AU4SY)

177 So the DNC is even more inept than the RNC. Hard to gronk...I guess the
answer has to be uniparty. Neither party has National interests at its
core. Screw em both.
=====

Don't know if anyone else remembers, but Preibus was laughing at the leaks of the DNC stuff -- until it became 'hacking the election'. RNC wasn't 'hacked'.

Posted by: mustbequantum at August 10, 2017 02:36 PM (MIKMs)

178 @123, Circa, is that sarcasm? (I can't tell anymore.) Seth Rich was killed July 10.

Posted by: sunny-dee at August 10, 2017 02:36 PM (DH0MB)

179 Mueller will be getting a warrant from a friendly judge he knows and setting up an FBI raid any day now.

Posted by: Marcus T, Ducking HR at August 10, 2017 02:36 PM (9KZTy)

180 111
Perfectly executed False Flag - hack your own system internally, leak
selected files, float Russia as the culprit, watch the media use it as a
tool to attempt to invalidate the election, manipulate the compromised
DOJ to ensure only a cursory investigation is performed as lip service
then demand a special investigation knowing the Republicans would be too
stupid to oppose or even establish any limits.

Posted by: Sewer Urchin at August 10, 2017 02:26 PM (B9OsQ)

=====Well.... that seems a bit complicated.

Posted by: Penfold at August 10, 2017 02:36 PM (Fbt5B)

181 The explainers explain that the perp was interrupted and therefore fled before he could do the stealing.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot


Interrupted by who? People who didn't talk to police or render aid?

Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2017 02:36 PM (9TU00)

182 All Little Richard ever needed was a catchy stage name.

Posted by: Big Luther Strange at August 10, 2017 02:36 PM (398bZ)

183 You know what? There is a resemblance.....
Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 02:33 PM (7uYFy)


yea, it's funny
his doppleganger

Snopes has a great side by side shot

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 10, 2017 02:36 PM (fceHP)

184 knowing the Republicans would be too stupid to oppose or even establish any limits.

Posted by: Sewer Urchin at August 10, 2017 02:26 PM (B9OsQ)


Sad but oh so true!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 10, 2017 02:36 PM (gwPgz)

185 shot twice in the back? Why not throw a fish wrapped in paper on him too? Wet work molesta shouldn't be sleeping at night.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at August 10, 2017 02:36 PM (AU4SY)

186 Trudeau/Castro, it's uncanny:

https://pbs.tw___.com/media/DG1vsaHVwAE-7Xs.jpg

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 10, 2017 02:37 PM (iPbwM)

187 >>Yep. The obvious scenario.

I think the most obvious scenario is to look at the very small group of people who had direct access to these servers, not just physical access but administrative access. Just because you can touch the servers doesn't mean you have the request authority to access all the data.

We know Awan had access to both the Congressional networks and thanks to DWS the DNC networks. And we know he is being investigated for stealing data from the Congressional network already.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2017 02:37 PM (/tuJf)

188
(in the voice of Colombo) Right, we all agree it was a robbery. (squinting eyes) But, one thing that keeps bothering me about this...one little thing: every robbery I've investigated, every single one, involves something being stolen.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at August 10, 2017 02:27 PM (ty7RM)


It's a hell of a thing, killing a man.Take away all he's got and all he's ever gonna have.

Posted by: Will Munny at August 10, 2017 02:38 PM (lKyWE)

189 the Republicans would be too stupid to oppose or even establish any limits.

****

it sure seems like the most limp dicked idiocy to give a special prosecutor any power, given the lack of evidence AND considering shitstain obama never got one despite...everything.

FnF
Behgazi
everyone using fake email addresses to do biz
scandal a day, no SP.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at August 10, 2017 02:38 PM (AU4SY)

190 PDT ripping into all past Presidents for ignoring North Korea and also caving to them ( read clinton/Fredo) and also ripping into the Congress for failing

Burn Baby Burn

Go for it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2017 02:39 PM (5y11N)

191 Seth Rich for sure.

Also remember this story? Update today in the Sun Sentinel.

"The death of a federal prosecutor whose body was found on the beach in Hollywood has been ruled a suicide, Hollywood police said Thursday."

"Beranton J. Whisenant Jr. 38, was found dead by a beachgoer in Hollywood near Magnolia Terrace shortly before 6:30 a.m. on May 24."


It took them three months to come up with suicide. Very strange. Just promoted at work, married, three kids, and a wife who is a doctor.

Other tidbits from other places.

Hollywood, Florida, Whisenant's body was recovered within the parameters of Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz's district.

The 37-year-old had just joined the Miami U.S. Attorney's Office in January, and was assigned to investigate cases of visa and passport fraud.


Awan Brothers running fraudulent visa and passport scams? Debbie and the Clintons involved?

Posted by: Fuq the Media at August 10, 2017 02:39 PM (HdLOs)

192 Trudeau/Castro, it's uncanny:

https://pbs.tw___.com/media/DG1vsaHVwAE-7Xs.jpg
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 10, 2017 02:37 PM (iPbwM)

Fuck it. Let's make this work. Depose Raul and put Justin on the "throne" in Cuba. Cuban women will like his hair as much as Canadian women....

Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 02:39 PM (7uYFy)

193 187. Theoretically, then, Awan leaks some to show he's got the goods on DWS, blackmails same with threat of more to come, and Rich was just bad luck.

Not impossible.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 10, 2017 02:39 PM (fA1SL)

194 181.4 megabits per second?

Nope. Not a dial-up link.

Posted by: JAS at August 10, 2017 02:40 PM (UnDQI)

195 The NYT recently ran a Walter Duranty-style article about Lenin's legacy of nature conservation. That the Soviet Union no longer exists and Putin's Russia closely resembles Mussolini's Italy seem somehow beside the point. The same with The Nation. Habit, I suppose.

To the claim that it would be impossible to hack that quickly, I disagree. I work with graphics files mostly and some of those files are very large indeed, yet I manage to move those mountains of data around fairly quickly. The technology has come a long way.

Aside from Podesta's chld porn, most of those emails would've consisted almost entirely of text. Seems to me if the hacker compressed the files prior to download, he or she could halve the amount of data and cut download time accordingly. Any number of ways that could be accomplished.

My point is these supposed experts are making definitive claims here. I'm always leery of definitive claims.

Posted by: troyriser at August 10, 2017 02:40 PM (4qf5a)

196 55 But, admittedly, I am no expert. Takes me three minutes down to download one tailpipe fetish porn clip!

Posted by: zombie


And yet, this fetish is still better than CBD's unhealthy obsession with lighthouses.

Posted by: GnuBreed at August 10, 2017 02:40 PM (6jaju)

197 It took them three months to come up with suicide. Very strange. Just promoted at work, married, three kids, and a wife who is a doctor.

***

sure, there are plenty of happy folks who get sad and suicidal once they learn how corrupt the democrats are. It's like learning that Santa's really a thin guy working out of tawian.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at August 10, 2017 02:40 PM (AU4SY)

198 Trump just blatantly bashed bashing Clinton, Bush and Obama about N. Korea. Now he's bashing RINO's in congress. Yes, he does shoot from the hip. This country needs a lot more of this, not nuanced doublespeak. .

Posted by: Ripley at August 10, 2017 02:40 PM (MxEKc)

199 188. That is why Zod always takes the watch.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 10, 2017 02:41 PM (fA1SL)

200 The primary problem I have with this claim of "local access" to DNC servers is that I have not seen this claim supported by anything other than file timestamp data analysis.

That is, looking at a collection of files, you can see when they were copied, and then you can derive a file transfer speed, which would imply that THAT set of files (COPY1) was copied at that speed.

It says nothing about being connected to DNC server or the DNC local network, because THAT set of files (COPY1) could have been copied over the Internet to a repository (COPY0), and then locally copied, generating all the timestamp data of interest.

This could be based on a misunderstanding or an incomplete understanding of their analysis.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at August 10, 2017 02:41 PM (tbOMB)

201 Sherlock Holmes's maxim, "when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth"
Posted by: 18-1 at August 10, 2017 02:21 PM (eSx+E)



A fallacy. It presupposes you've thought of all the possible solutions, and you can never know that you have.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 10, 2017 02:41 PM (SRKgf)

202 PDT looking and sounding very strong and Presidential and the Left will be going batshit in 3..2..1

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2017 02:41 PM (5y11N)

203 Aside from Podesta's chld porn, most of those emails would've consisted almost entirely of text. Seems to me if the hacker compressed the files prior to download, he or she could halve the amount of data and cut download time accordingly. Any number of ways that could be accomplished.


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wet work molesta is just an activist to get paintings of naked children be considered art by you hate filled normies.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at August 10, 2017 02:41 PM (AU4SY)

204 >>>Awan Brothers running fraudulent visa and passport scams? Debbie and the Clintons involved?

Two ways to function: fit theories to support evidence, or fit evidence to support theories. One is correct, one is not.

You're doing it wrong.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 10, 2017 02:42 PM (dueIV)

205 Trump just blatantly bashed bashing Clinton, Bush and Obama about N. Korea. Now he's bashing RINO's in congress. Yes, he does shoot from the hip. This country needs a lot more of this, not nuanced doublespeak. .
Posted by: Ripley at August 10, 2017 02:40 PM (MxEKc)

Amen...Preach it Brother

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2017 02:42 PM (5y11N)

206 205 Trump just blatantly bashed bashing Clinton, Bush and Obama about N. Korea. Now he's bashing RINO's in congress. Yes, he does shoot from the hip. This country needs a lot more of this, not nuanced doublespeak. .
Posted by: Ripley at August 10, 2017 02:40 PM (MxEKc)

Amen...Preach it Brother
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2017 02:42 PM (5y11N)


+1

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 10, 2017 02:42 PM (jxbfJ)

207 Wow. Trump is bringing it to the turtle. Even told the press that they can start talking about him stepping aside for someone else.

Posted by: Soona at August 10, 2017 02:42 PM (Fmupd)

208 they vacation there

and June 16th:

Canada-Cuba relations are 'business as usual' despite what Trump is doing

says the boy king who showed off his Ramadan socks at a gay pride parade

But his Pride socks carried a subtler political message. Text on the socks read "Eid Mubarak," honoring the religious holiday that marks the end of Ramadan, the Islamic holy month of fasting, which coincides with Gay Pride this year.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 10, 2017 02:35 PM (fceHP)


See? We're nice to everybody!
Why would Cuba pick on us? We're not like mean Trump!

"We Won't Say That We're Better, It's Just That We're Less Worse"

Posted by: Most of Canada at August 10, 2017 02:42 PM (CPk08)

209 >>Theoretically, then, Awan leaks some to show he's got the goods on DWS, blackmails same with threat of more to come, and Rich was just bad luck.

And who, at the instance of Hillary Clinton took over as the chair of the Democrat National Convention, Marcai Fudge, another Imran Awan client.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2017 02:42 PM (/tuJf)

210 So all of this was a ruse to get rid of Podesta's child porn?
I remember a theory I read once about the Watergate break-in being spurred by John Dean wanting to hide evidence that his wife was a call girl.....

Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 02:43 PM (7uYFy)

211 Seth Rich? Never heard of him.

Posted by: Recused Jeff Sessions at August 10, 2017 02:43 PM (HdLOs)

212 >>>Sherlock Holmes's maxim, "when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth"

Um, he was a fictional character created by someone who believed in fairies.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 10, 2017 02:43 PM (dueIV)

213
I've always loved The Nation, despite their commie sympathies. No other major political publications is considerate enough to publish on soft, thoroughly absorbent newsprint rather than that slick-finish magazine paper.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 10, 2017 02:44 PM (veoSD)

214 >>199
188. That is why Zod always takes the watch. Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor Glory to Kekistan! at August 10, 2017 02:41 PM (fA1SL)

Dexter has his tray of blood samples; Zod has a library wall festooned with the timepieces of his enemies. Trophies.

Posted by: Zod at August 10, 2017 02:44 PM (Bdeb0)

215 And we know he is being investigated for stealing data from the Congressional network already.

Posted by: JackStraw

When did Awan get his Congressional access yanked? Did he grab this data to blackmail DWS into keeping him employed and out of jail?

Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2017 02:44 PM (9TU00)

216 None of this can be thoroughly proven until we get a complete analysis from Sally Kohn and Mathew Dowd. Subsequent verification should be vetted through Colin Kaepernick and Lena Dunham to insure consistency in process and logical conclusions.

Posted by: dananjcon at August 10, 2017 02:44 PM (WLK0w)

217 Wonder if their is anything on there wrt DWS' brother in DC AG office?

Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2017 02:45 PM (9TU00)

218 I've always loved The Nation, despite their commie sympathies. No other major political publications is considerate enough to publish on soft, thoroughly absorbent newsprint rather than that slick-finish magazine paper.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 10, 2017 02:44 PM (veoSD)



For the same reason, we're eagerly awaiting the Nation's edition of the Koran.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 10, 2017 02:45 PM (SRKgf)

219 Trudeau/Castro, it's uncanny:

https://pbs.tw___.com/media/DG1vsaHVwAE-7Xs.jpg

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Justin's mom had certain slut-like qualities.

Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 10, 2017 02:45 PM (Nwg0u)

220 216 None of this can be thoroughly proven until we get a complete analysis from Sally Kohn and Mathew Dowd. Subsequent verification should be vetted through Colin Kaepernick and Lena Dunham to insure consistency in process and logical conclusions.

Posted by: dananjcon at August 10, 2017 02:44 PM (WLK0w)


We need the analysis headed up by Cher.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 10, 2017 02:45 PM (SRKgf)

221 Um, he was a fictional character created by someone who believed in fairies.
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You'll believe in fairies or else!!!!!

Posted by: Your friendly neighborgoos SJW, monitroing your thoughts via twitter at August 10, 2017 02:46 PM (XQvuQ)

222 ***His name was Seth Rich.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 10, 2017 02:04 PM (fA1SL) ***




In death, a member of the Clinton campaign has a name.

His name is Seth Rich.

Posted by: Random Internet Asshole at August 10, 2017 02:46 PM (CJjw5)

223 Um, he was a fictional character created by someone who believed in fairies.
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LOL. You just described the BHO version of the DOD.

Posted by: mustbequantum at August 10, 2017 02:46 PM (MIKMs)

224 One interesting thing about the Seth Rich murder is that he was conscious and talking after he was shot; he didn't die until 90 minutes later; at first he may not have even realized he was shot.

And there is cop body cam footage, still unreleased as far as Heavy.com knows:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/yauluu7v


Posted by: GnuBreed at August 10, 2017 02:46 PM (6jaju)

225 53
I'm going to need a fact check on this key assertion:



"This yields a transfer rate of 22.7 megabytes per second. No
Internet service provider, such as a hacker would have had to use in
mid-2016, was capable of downloading data at this speed."



I'm just some random idiot with crappy Comcast Internet, and my Internet connection is around 80 Mbps.

Posted by: Color Me Skeptical at August 10, 2017 02:10 PM (75+1T)


I know there is no math here, but there are 8 bits in a Byte. So you get, theoretically, 10 megabytes per second.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at August 10, 2017 02:46 PM (tbOMB)

226 "The Nation" only loved Russia when it was the Soviet Union and Communist.

Now that its some sort of blend of capitalism and kleptocracy that doesn't celebrate homosexuality, Russia is evil in their eyes.

I'm not dismissing Russia tried to hack sensitive email among politicians, they do it to everyone, every election.

What I do think is ridiculous is the idea Putin tried to get Trump to win the election because they struck up some sort of backroom deal.

Posted by: Maritime at August 10, 2017 02:46 PM (4qUwg)

227 >>When did Awan get his Congressional access yanked? Did he grab this data to blackmail DWS into keeping him employed and out of jail?

I think it was January or maybe December of 2016.

I think he's been stealing data for years and selling it, probably to overseas bidders.

I think Grassley has asked to have all his immigration records turned over to Congress. This guy and his family was regularly going back and forth to Pakistan.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2017 02:46 PM (/tuJf)

228 There should be a Special Counsel to investigate the DOJ's and FBI's sham "investigation" of HRC. It was obviously set up and conducted in a manner to ensure no one would ever be charged. The fix was in, from top to bottom.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 10, 2017 02:47 PM (ca387)

229 Trump just blatantly bashed bashing Clinton, Bush and Obama about N. Korea. Now he's bashing RINO's in congress. Yes, he does shoot from the hip. This country needs a lot more of this, not nuanced doublespeak. .
Posted by: Ripley at August 10, 2017 02:40 PM (MxEKc)

Amen...Preach it Brother
Posted by: Nevergiveup

I'm calling this Korea dustup Sen Corker's War

Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2017 02:47 PM (9TU00)

230 216 & 220. Waiting for a feisty tweet from thought-leader chubbles.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 10, 2017 02:47 PM (fA1SL)

231 139 Imagine how the Left would lose their shit if Trump starts in on Cuba?
Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 02:30 PM (7uYFy)

Wouldn't be suprised if Cuber was in bed with the Iran/Nork/Venezuelan axis.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 10, 2017 02:47 PM (hcyUh)

232 All of this Seth Rich talk makes me think that Chelsea Clinton probably has a fine ass.

Posted by: Zod at August 10, 2017 02:47 PM (Bdeb0)

233 Wait. Clinton and Obama both took care of the North Korea problem. They and the media told me so.

I call shenanigans.

Posted by: Meremortal at August 10, 2017 02:48 PM (3myMJ)

234 These left wing talking heads on the news all lover our enemies...well except Russia, now a days it's fashionable on the left to have "discovered" the evil empire? LOL And by the evil empire I do not mean the NY Yankess

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2017 02:48 PM (5y11N)

235 "You're doing it wrong."

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Oh, yeah. Blatant speculation on my part. Still very, very strange.

Posted by: Recused Jeff Sessions at August 10, 2017 02:48 PM (HdLOs)

236 What I do think is ridiculous is the idea Putin tried to get Trump to win the election because they struck up some sort of backroom deal.
Posted by: Maritime at August 10, 2017 02:46 PM (4qUwg)

What frosts me is the leap of faith required to believe that a CANDIDATE --who has the entire establishment/Deep State against him--can somehow control things with the connivance of Russia right under the nose of his political enemies.
Think about how stupid that is.

Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 02:49 PM (7uYFy)

237 230 216 & 220. Waiting for a feisty tweet from thought-leader chubbles.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 10, 2017 02:47 PM (fA1SL)



It takes time to work up something suitably sassy.

Or pithy, as Mike Tyson would say.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 10, 2017 02:49 PM (SRKgf)

238 I am skeptical of the purported proof. They say they know haw fast the files were transferred. I am guessing they calculated this speed by the timestamps on the files. File A had a creation timestamp of x, file B had a timestamp of y, file C has timestamp z, etc. They they figured out the difference of the timestamps and along with the file sizes, they figured the speeds.

But, the timestamps are editable. If a nation, like Russia (or anyone else), wanted to make it look like it couldn't have been done remotely, this is something they might do to throw others off.

It's not even a difficult hack. Freeware tools have been around forever that let you edit the timestamps on files. All's you need to do is calculate the very simple math to figure out what speed you are trying to mimic.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 10, 2017 02:49 PM (FUu/Z)

239 Wrong sock.

Posted by: Fuq the Media at August 10, 2017 02:49 PM (HdLOs)

240 227
>>When did Awan get his Congressional access yanked? Did he grab
this data to blackmail DWS into keeping him employed and out of jail?



I think it was January or maybe December of 2016.



I think he's been stealing data for years and selling it, probably to overseas bidders.



I think Grassley has asked to have all his immigration records
turned over to Congress. This guy and his family was regularly going
back and forth to Pakistan.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2017 02:46 PM (/tuJf)

If you made this into a movie, people wouldn't believe it.....

Posted by: Tami at August 10, 2017 02:49 PM (Enq6K)

241 The core of Mueller's mandate is "who hacked the DNC."

If he accepts the compounded hearsay conclusion of the "17 agencies" that it was the Russians, without doing any investigation of the quite plausible alternative theories that it was an inside job (e.g. a pissed-off BernieBot DNC staffer, or Debbie's Anwar) then his entire investigation is a sham.

If he looks into DWS, how can he not find dirt on her?

Developing ....

Posted by: Ignoramus at August 10, 2017 02:50 PM (+7/1f)

242 There is only one real question....why did the DNC twice refuse to let the FBI look at their allegedly hacked server?

Even if you take DWS statements at face value, why did she then not immediately turn over the server to the FBI when she claimed they "never asked to look at it"?

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 10, 2017 02:50 PM (0pcwX)

243 This guy and his family was regularly going back and forth to Pakistan.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2017 02:46 PM (/tuJf)


Probably with suitcases full of flash drives, Congressional House Bank checks, and cash!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 10, 2017 02:50 PM (gwPgz)

244 Trump just blatantly bashed bashing Clinton, Bush and Obama about N. Korea. Now he's bashing RINO's in congress. Yes, he does shoot from the hip. This country needs a lot more of this, not nuanced doublespeak. .
Posted by: Ripley at August 10, 2017 02:40 PM (MxEKc)

Dana Perino is going to be upset that he included Bush.
Jasper is going to be busy tonight....

Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 02:50 PM (7uYFy)

245 What frosts me is the leap of faith required to believe that a CANDIDATE --who has the entire establishment/Deep State against him--can somehow control things with the connivance of Russia right under the nose of his political enemies.
Think about how stupid that is.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 02:49 PM (7uYFy)


This.

Transcripts of Trump's phone calls to the leaders of Mexico and somewhere else (Canada?) leak, but evidence of collusion with Russia is totes quiet.

Sure.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 10, 2017 02:50 PM (SRKgf)

246 Trump IS a Black Swan... which is why they will stop at Nothing in order to destroy him... he opens all the wrong closets... because he has not been bought.

I expect the worst... and realize how bad that sounds, but Uniparty is frightening..

Posted by: kraken at August 10, 2017 02:50 PM (zSVEm)

247 All of this Seth Rich talk makes me think that Chelsea Clinton probably has a fine ass.

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Dude, stay away from the brown acid.

Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 10, 2017 02:51 PM (Nwg0u)

248 The core of Mueller's mandate is "who hacked the DNC."

...

If he looks into DWS, how can he not find dirt on her?

Developing ....

Posted by: Ignoramus at August 10, 2017 02:50 PM (+7/1f)


You haven't worked in DC have you?

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 10, 2017 02:51 PM (gwPgz)

249 >>What frosts me is the leap of faith required to
believe that a CANDIDATE --who has the entire establishment/Deep State
against him--can somehow control things with the connivance of Russia
right under the nose of his political enemies.

Think about how stupid that is. Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 02:49 PM (7uYFy)

This is a variation of the Dubya Bush Conundrum: A president dumber than a bag of wet hair, yet cunning enough to engineer a series of vast, very complex conspiracies and machinations.

Posted by: Zod at August 10, 2017 02:52 PM (Bdeb0)

250 "Waiting for a feisty tweet from thought-leader chubbles.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor Glory to Kekistan! at August 10, 2017 02:47 PM (fA1SL)



It takes time to work up something suitably sassy.


Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara"

In fairness, it does take time to assemble her Thought Leader Team and consider it's recommendations..

Posted by: Ripley at August 10, 2017 02:52 PM (MxEKc)

251 >>I am skeptical of the purported proof. They say they know haw fast the files were transferred. I am guessing they calculated this speed by the timestamps on the files. File A had a creation timestamp of x, file B had a timestamp of y, file C has timestamp z, etc. They they figured out the difference of the timestamps and along with the file sizes, they figured the speeds.

>>But, the timestamps are editable. If a nation, like Russia (or anyone else), wanted to make it look like it couldn't have been done remotely, this is something they might do to throw others off.

>>It's not even a difficult hack. Freeware tools have been around forever that let you edit the timestamps on files. All's you need to do is calculate the very simple math to figure out what speed you are trying to mimic.

All of that may be true but it does not answer the very simple question why did Debbie Wasserman Schultz refuse to let DHS or the FBI look at the servers to determine the source of the hack while also constantly screaming THE RUSSIANS DID IT!

Sorry, that does not pass the smell test. If this was a simple hack it would then be simple to determine who did the hack and this all could have been cleared up months ago.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2017 02:52 PM (/tuJf)

252 Rich and Awan matters probably are not related, except insofar as they cast a light on information security problems at DNC.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 10, 2017 02:52 PM (fA1SL)

253 "Perfectly executed False Flag - hack your own system internally, leak selected files, float Russia as the culprit, watch the media use it as a tool to attempt to invalidate the election, manipulate the compromised DOJ to ensure only a cursory investigation is performed as lip service then demand a special investigation knowing the Republicans would be too stupid to oppose or even establish any limits."

Vizzini the Sicilian called while you were out.

He said it's a good starter plan but needs iocane powder.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 10, 2017 02:53 PM (ujwCG)

254 What frosts me is the leap of faith required to believe that a CANDIDATE --who has the entire establishment/Deep State against him--can somehow control things with the connivance of Russia right under the nose of his political enemies.
Think about how stupid that is.
Posted by: JoeF

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Exactly, and let's be honest, Trump would not be savvy enough to somehow cut a deal like that anyway.

Considering how many people were being monitored by the Obama Deep State, all they've found were things like improper paperwork being filed by someone who Trump fired almost immediately when it came to light he had some clients who were questionable.

Posted by: Maritime at August 10, 2017 02:53 PM (4qUwg)

255 We need a special prosecutor to look at ALL of Comey's actions going back to Arkansas with the Clintons.

Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2017 02:53 PM (9TU00)

256 >>Dana Perino is going to be upset that he included Bush.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 02:50 PM (7uYFy)

Zod is going to be upset that Dana Perino's mouth is not available this evening while he binge-watches World at War.

Posted by: Zod at August 10, 2017 02:54 PM (Bdeb0)

257 Why are you focusing on this fake news no one cares about, instead of our brave article featuring Chelsea Manning in a swimsuit! Squee!
http://tinyurl.com/yafeoys3

Posted by: Vogue at August 10, 2017 02:54 PM (V/f/L)

258 Damn--that's right. I had Rich being killed in June.

...

All cards on the table.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 10, 2017 02:54 PM (5SCmO)

259 There is only one real question....why did the DNC twice refuse to let the FBI look at their allegedly hacked server?

Even if you take DWS statements at face value, why did she then not immediately turn over the server to the FBI when she claimed they "never asked to look at it"?
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 10, 2017 02:50 PM (0pcwX)

The answer is simple enough: crimes were committed, and by 'crimes' I mean real-deal felonies that can't be semantically nuanced and thematically parsed. Everybody but Hillary could go to jail.*

* Hillary Clinton will never go to jail no matter what she does or has done. It's apparently a rule.

Posted by: troyriser at August 10, 2017 02:54 PM (4qf5a)

260 I'm calling this Korea dustup Sen Corker's War

Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2017 02:47 PM (9TU00)


I think that ought to be reserved for the upcoming Iran kerfuffle!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 10, 2017 02:55 PM (gwPgz)

261 The other thing that has always bugged me that it was basically an unsubstantiated charge , an empty allegation , by Hillary and her camp that basically started this...
Reminds me of how she directed the media to turn their focus on the Vast RW Conspiracy instead of her crooked, bent dick redneck husband---and--voilla! ---they did just that.

Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 02:55 PM (7uYFy)

262 All of that may be true but it does not answer the very simple question why did Debbie Wasserman Schultz refuse to let DHS or the FBI look at the servers to determine the source of the hack while also constantly screaming THE RUSSIANS DID IT!

Sorry, that does not pass the smell test. If this was a simple hack it would then be simple to determine who did the hack and this all could have been cleared up months ago.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2017 02:52 PM (/tuJf)

++++

I'm not saying the Russians did it. I doubt that they did, but I don't KNOW they didn't. All I'm saying is that this file transfer speed thing is bullshit and proves nothing.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 10, 2017 02:55 PM (FUu/Z)

263 261. Don't forget Pepe! Her freaking campaign website had an article on him. She was desperate.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 10, 2017 02:57 PM (fA1SL)

264 The only real question:

Was it Seth Rich or Imran Awan?

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at August 10, 2017 02:58 PM (36gza)

265 This is a variation of the Dubya Bush Conundrum: A president dumber than a bag of wet hair, yet cunning enough to engineer a series of vast, very complex conspiracies and machinations.
Posted by: Zod at August 10, 2017 02:52 PM (Bdeb0)

Yes...BUT at least Bush was actually president--and able to control some things.
Trump was a complete outsider who wasn't in office--and was not liked by the Deep State. He was a CANDIDATE for Chrissakes....

Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 02:58 PM (7uYFy)

266 Fifteen men on a dead man's chest
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum

"Passengers aboard a luxurious 104-day world cruise were ordered to go dark and remain silent at night for 10 days to thwart off possible 'pirate threats,' according to reports."

Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 10, 2017 02:58 PM (Nwg0u)

267 257 Why are you focusing on this fake news no one cares about, instead of our brave article featuring Chelsea Manning in a swimsuit! Squee!
http://tinyurl.com/yafeoys3
Posted by: Vogue at August 10, 2017 02:54 PM (V/f/L)

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*types*

*deletes*

Posted by: SMFH at August 10, 2017 02:58 PM (sB1y1)

268 241 The core of Mueller's mandate is "who hacked the DNC."

If he accepts the compounded hearsay conclusion of the "17 agencies" that it was the Russians, without doing any investigation of the quite plausible alternative theories that it was an inside job (e.g. a pissed-off BernieBot DNC staffer, or Debbie's Anwar) then his entire investigation is a sham.


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right....there should be egg on 17 agencies' faces since they all signed off on this bullshit.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at August 10, 2017 02:59 PM (AU4SY)

269 264. I'd guess Rich. The fellow seemed to be a Bernie Bro. Awan blackmail scheme has too many moving parts to be workable.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 10, 2017 02:59 PM (fA1SL)

270 The other thing that has always bugged me that it was basically an unsubstantiated charge , an empty allegation , by Hillary and her camp that basically started this...
Reminds me of how she directed the media to turn their focus on the Vast RW Conspiracy instead of her crooked, bent dick redneck husband---and--voilla! ---they did just that.
Posted by: JoeF.


________

The Democrats got a big assist on this from the NeoCon wing of the GOP.

I honestly believe a big reason they chose this narrative was they know what an obsession this is for a few of them.

Posted by: Maritime at August 10, 2017 02:59 PM (4qUwg)

271 I'm calling this Korea dustup Sen Corker's War

Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2017 02:47 PM (9TU00)

I think that ought to be reserved for the upcoming Iran kerfuffle!
Posted by: Hrothgar

Nope, that one's still Carter's fault

Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2017 03:00 PM (9TU00)

272 We need a special prosecutor to look at ALL of Comey's actions going back to Arkansas with the Clintons.

Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2017 02:53 PM (9TU00)


Even a cursory glance at his resume indicates that even though he is "universally" acknowledged by our betters as a stand-up guy, he has been a serious Monoparty player in DC with his fingers in a lot of interesting pies.

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 10, 2017 03:00 PM (gwPgz)

273 also, the leap of faith that lifelong anti-communists are suddenly pro-russia dupes while lifelong commie snugglers who sold uranium to russia for straight up cash are now staunch anti-ruskies feared by putin.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at August 10, 2017 03:00 PM (AU4SY)

274 The global extent of this Democrat conspiracy can only be fully comprehended by reading The Protocols of the Elders of Cyan.

Posted by: zombie at August 10, 2017 03:00 PM (DQ4Fv)

275 Thank you, thank you all. I'm thrilled to be invited to see all of you today. Thank you.

In these times of grave national uncertainty, we need to be strong, but at the same time consider that strength in the face of opposition can only lead to conflict, and conflict, as we know, can lead to combat, and to many bad things.

As Americans, instead of forcing change in a foreign country most of us can't find on a map, even sober, we have to let North Korea grow the capacity to institute real change, and we will work WITH Kim Jong Un, to do this, while opposing any aggression. We will stand strong to protect American lives, here and abroad.

When I was growing up, I used to hear my mother say "You Asshole Bill. I HATE you, you FUCKING LIAR." She taught me to stand strong, to be proud of who I am, and to try and ride any connections I had to wealth and security because I could, and I deserved that. That's what I want to say to you today, America. And that's what we need to say to the people of North Korea, and their leader, Mr Un.

Posted by: It's Chelsea! at August 10, 2017 03:00 PM (CPk08)

276 "Passengers aboard a luxurious 104-day world cruise were ordered to go dark and remain silent at night for 10 days to thwart off possible 'pirate threats,' according to reports."
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 10, 2017 02:58 PM (Nwg0u)

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It's becoming dangerous to travel. It's why I don't anymore.

Posted by: Soona at August 10, 2017 03:00 PM (Fmupd)

277 I think it would be safe to assume that all information held by the DNC is in the hands of foreign and/or domestic enemies, and the safest thing to do is to disband that party and forbid anyone associated with it from holding any federal office. For the chirrens...

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at August 10, 2017 03:00 PM (i0ykY)

278 We see events in terms of evidence, evidence trails, culpability.
I don't believe any of that matters in terms of the game the Other Side is playing.
They set the agenda, frame the narrative, write the rulebook.
We are FORCED to play their game... which is the extreme danger Trump poses for them... he does not play along... for them, he must be stopped.

Posted by: kraken at August 10, 2017 03:01 PM (zSVEm)

279 Nope, that one's still Carter's fault

Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2017 03:00 PM (9TU00)


How about Carter-Corker War? They're both free as birds and guilty as sin!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 10, 2017 03:01 PM (gwPgz)

280 The math is pretty simple and adds up:
Internet connections are usually measured in Mega"bits" per second.
Converting Mega"bytes" of data size takes a little conversion.
1976 Mega"bytes" of data (email files) transferred in 87 seconds.
1976/87=22.712 Mega"bytes" of data moving every second.

Using an online conversion calculator (www.convert-me.com)
22.71 Mega"bytes" per second would use 181.7 Mega"bits" of your internet connection.

Most home cable users get 25megs down and 5 up speeds. Maybe 50 down and 10 up. It is common for large businesses to have 100 or 200 meg connections.

This data transfer would an "upload" from the server. So the DNC would need to have a very large "upload" pipe.

Even if an organization like the DNC had 200 Megabit synchronous connection (same upload and download speed... it is highly unlikely any one device or data transaction would be allowed to use 90% of all available bandwidth...even for a short time.

Most internal networks have 1 gigabit switches which can transfer data at 1000 megabits per second.
Older systems were 100 megabit until a few years ago.

A 181 megabit data transfer on an internal network would cause no disruption to any other users.

More likely an inside job, if the numbers are correct.

Posted by: 99Problems at August 10, 2017 03:02 PM (zWaPh)

281 249 254 plus, if Trump and Putin are colluding, why do they need to communicate through Don Jr and the Russian lawyer, or through Jeff Sessions and the Ambassador? To ask the question is to prove how ridiculous it all is.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 10, 2017 03:02 PM (Cz7Sb)

282 280. I see what you're saying, but you keep dodging the main question - Are traps gay?

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 10, 2017 03:03 PM (fA1SL)

283 >>right....there should be egg on 17 agencies' faces since they all signed off on this bullshit. Posted by: andrew jarbacka at August 10, 2017 02:59 PM (AU4SY)

This is no more true than that "17 agencies checked off on Iraq WMD." A few types form an interagency cabal and pitch the same story, that's it. The "intelligence community" is as fractured, fractious, and dissonant as you'd imagine if the Press wasn't hammering home the idea 24x7 that it's a consolidated, lean, smart, unified Big Brain with a single view.

Posted by: Zod at August 10, 2017 03:03 PM (Bdeb0)

284 The global extent of this Democrat conspiracy can only be fully comprehended by reading The Protocols of the Elders of Cyan. Posted by: zombie at August 10, 2017 03:00 PM (DQ4Fv)
=====

ISWYDT. Made me chuckle.

Posted by: mustbequantum at August 10, 2017 03:03 PM (MIKMs)

285 Seth Rich.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at August 10, 2017 03:03 PM (XFue2)

286 Damn. This is turning into a computer nerd thread.

Posted by: Soona at August 10, 2017 03:03 PM (Fmupd)

287 Posted by: It's Chelsea! at August 10, 2017 03:00 PM (CPk0


That's good, Chel. Now boil it down to 140 sassy characters.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 10, 2017 03:03 PM (SRKgf)

288 >>I'm not saying the Russians did it. I doubt that they did, but I don't KNOW they didn't. All I'm saying is that this file transfer speed thing is bullshit and proves nothing.

I have zero doubt that the Russians hacked Hillary. Comey as much as said so when he testified in front of Congress that Hillary used her unsecured and unauthorized Blackberry while overseas in places like Russia and China. She practically begged them hack her.

But I don't think the DNC is as big a layup. The file transfer maybe bullshit but again, why didn't DWS let the FBI look at them to confirm it one way or the other? If it was a foreign government including Russia that would have been the logical thing to do and there would be proof.

When you do something to undermine your own case then there is more to this than a simple hack.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2017 03:04 PM (/tuJf)

289 Damn, that shep character is a dripping gash.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at August 10, 2017 03:05 PM (aMlLZ)

290 >>> I'm calling this Korea dustup Sen Corker's War

"I think that ought to be reserved for the upcoming Iran kerfuffle!"

Korea and Iran are both part of Wendy Sherman's March.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 10, 2017 03:05 PM (ujwCG)

291 >>275
Thank you, thank you all. I'm thrilled to be invited to see all of you today. Thank you. Posted by: It's Chelsea! at August 10, 2017 03:00 PM (CPk0

Nevermind the haters, sugar. This pirate wants to mount your poop-deck.

Posted by: Zod at August 10, 2017 03:05 PM (Bdeb0)

292 right....there should be egg on 17 agencies' faces since they all signed off on this bullshit.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at August 10, 2017 02:59 PM (AU4SY)


Even perjuring Clapper said it was only four!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 10, 2017 03:05 PM (gwPgz)

293 If that's actually the case, that makes the Dems look even worse than if it was hackers and RUSSIA!!![font size=4]tm[/font] working on Trump's behalf.

LOL!!!!

Posted by: Sponge at August 10, 2017 03:06 PM (xttKs)

294 More likely an inside job, if the numbers are correct.

Posted by: 99Problems at August 10, 2017 03:02 PM (zWaPh)

++++

The numbers are editable. Easily, as in a child could do it or could have already done so before the files ever saw the light of day. Therefore, the numbers prove nothing.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 10, 2017 03:06 PM (FUu/Z)

295 Darn.......

Posted by: Sponge at August 10, 2017 03:06 PM (xttKs)

296 That's good, Chel. Now boil it down to 140 sassy characters.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 10, 2017 03:03 PM (SRKgf)


I made this rocking kale tricycle for Aidan! #eatyourveggies Trump sucks!

Posted by: It's Chelsea! at August 10, 2017 03:06 PM (CPk08)

297 268 right....there should be egg on 17 agencies' faces since they all signed off on this bullshit.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka


That '17 agencies' thingy has been debunked. At most, it was 4 of them. Probably CIA, DOJ, DIA -- Gee, let's see, which particular assholes were in charge of those agencies at the time.

Clapper, Brennan, Lynch. Oh yeah, it's totes legit.

Posted by: GnuBreed at August 10, 2017 03:07 PM (6jaju)

298 Most internal networks have 1 gigabit switches which can transfer data at 1000 megabits per second.
Older systems were 100 megabit until a few years ago.

A 181 megabit data transfer on an internal network would cause no disruption to any other users.

More likely an inside job, if the numbers are correct.
Posted by: 99Problems at August 10, 2017 03:02 PM (zWaPh)

Not to mention, that VERY few internal networks are wired for Gigabit...

Most internal networks are still wired for 100 Mbs...

Could the server have a dedicated 1 Gig line to the Router? through a Firewall? Possible... but very unlikely....

Posted by: Don Q..,.. Philosophizer at August 10, 2017 03:07 PM (NgKpN)

299 ...why didn't DWS let the FBI look at them to confirm it one way or the other/

DWS was responsible for the breach; probably getting some mordida from Awan in return for access.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at August 10, 2017 03:07 PM (i0ykY)

300 This is no more true than that "17 agencies checked off on Iraq WMD." A few types form an interagency cabal and pitch the same story, that's it. The "intelligence community" is as fractured, fractious, and dissonant as you'd imagine if the Press wasn't hammering home the idea 24x7 that it's a consolidated, lean, smart, unified Big Brain with a single view.

Posted by: Zod at August 10, 2017 03:03 PM (Bdeb0)

4 out of 5 dentists reccomend Trident....

Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 03:07 PM (7uYFy)

301 I'd guess Rich. The fellow seemed to be a Bernie Bro. Awan blackmail scheme has too many moving parts to be workable.
---

Agreed.

There's also a wikileaks email from Podesta that says he's OK with making an example of the leaker.

Seth Rich is dead. Awan is alive.

Also... Newsweek is pushing the story that Rich is the one who discovered the Russian hacking and was murdered by Trump people so it wouldn't be discovered.

Posted by: shibumi at August 10, 2017 03:07 PM (aT+Bx)

302 Traps should be microchipped and tracked online 24/7/365 so the public knows what's up. Don't want to be tagged like an animal then don't fuck with nature, genetics, and people because of ur feelz.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at August 10, 2017 03:08 PM (XFue2)

303 I'd like this either rebutted or admitted by the "intelligence" community.

----------------------------------

Question 1: Is our intelligence community trustworthy?

Question 2: Is our intelligence community "intelligent"?

I say both answers are now up for debate considering everything we have seen the last few years.

Posted by: Google at August 10, 2017 03:08 PM (MuTTO)

304 This is no more true than that "17 agencies checked off on Iraq WMD." A few types form an interagency cabal and pitch the same story, that's it. The "intelligence community" is as fractured, fractious, and dissonant as you'd imagine if the Press wasn't hammering home the idea 24x7 that it's a consolidated, lean, smart, unified Big Brain with a single view.

Posted by: Zod at August 10, 2017 03:03 PM (Bdeb0)

Or like the scratch-off games that exclaim 20 WAYS TO WIN!! No, there's ONE way to win. NINETEEN to lose...

Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 03:08 PM (7uYFy)

305 I am not technical enough to evaluate this stuff, but all I know is that The LEFT has made Russia the story and the story it will be, and the facts be damned.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2017 03:08 PM (5y11N)

306 Also... Newsweek is pushing the story that Rich is the one who discovered the Russian hacking and was murdered by Trump people so it wouldn't be discovered.
Posted by: shibumi at August 10, 2017 03:07 PM (aT+Bx)



For cryin' out loud, would they just give it up?

If Hillary called a press conference and admitted everything, Newsweak would theorize that Trump had replaced her with an animatronic version programmed to say that.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 10, 2017 03:09 PM (SRKgf)

307 Even perjuring Clapper said it was only four!
Posted by: Hrothgar

So, probably only 2 even looked into it.

Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2017 03:09 PM (9TU00)

308 There's one for you, nineteen for me.....

Posted by: Lottery Commission... at August 10, 2017 03:09 PM (7uYFy)

309 Speaking of Democrats, is Guam still upright?

Posted by: wth at August 10, 2017 03:09 PM (HgMAr)

310 301
Newsweek is pushing the story that Rich is the one who discovered the Russian hacking and was murdered by Trump people so it wouldn't be discovered.
Posted by: shibumi at August 10, 2017 03:07 PM (aT+Bx)



Seriously? Talk about projection.

Posted by: rickl at August 10, 2017 03:09 PM (xjiRE)

311
Question 1: Is our intelligence community trustworthy? NOPE. DEEP STATE.


Question 2: Is our intelligence community "intelligent"? NOPE> DEEP STATE

Although INDIVIDUALS in the intelligence community might be trustworthy and intelligent, theyr'e in the swamp and IMHO, the system is corrupt.



Posted by: shibumi at August 10, 2017 03:09 PM (aT+Bx)

312 305 I am not technical enough to evaluate this stuff, but all I know is that The LEFT has made Russia the story and the story it will be, and the facts be damned.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2017 03:08 PM (5y11N)

All of this will go away.

Posted by: kraken at August 10, 2017 03:10 PM (zSVEm)

313 Vote Hillary! GM is alive and Seth Rich is dead!

- Joey Choo Choo

Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 10, 2017 03:10 PM (Nwg0u)

314 Posted by: Google at August 10, 2017 03:08 PM (MuTTO)

Check out "oxymoron" and "military intelligence"!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 10, 2017 03:10 PM (gwPgz)

315 Some of us have been saying this for almost a year now, and pointing out that the Podesta Emails at least were absolutely and without exception taken by an angry DNC staffer not some hack.

So frustrating.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 10, 2017 03:10 PM (39g3+)

316
Also... Newsweek is pushing the story that Rich is the one who discovered the Russian hacking and was murdered by Trump people so it wouldn't be discovered.
Posted by: shibumi at August 10, 2017 03:07 PM (aT+Bx)

So Seth Rich then.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at August 10, 2017 03:10 PM (XFue2)

317 For cryin' out loud, would they just give it up?

If Hillary called a press conference and admitted everything, Newsweak would theorize that Trump had replaced her with an animatronic version programmed to say that.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 10, 2017 03:09 PM (SRKgf)


That bhastid keeps spiking my hot sauce! *hic*

Posted by: Hillary at August 10, 2017 03:10 PM (CPk08)

318 RE: 238 But, the timestamps are editable.

You obviously don't know about data forensics. None of the tools that allow you to edit timestamps allow you to edit nanoseconds, but the actual timestamp of an NTFS file stored in binary measures time to a 100 nanosecond precision. So when you look at the actual 8-byte timestamp block of an NTFS file, an altered timestamp will have a block of zeroes where the nanosecond precision should be. It's also possible to determine from a timestamp if it was transferred via a flash drive, as flash drives are usually formatted as FAT, and this will result in a timestamp with a partially truncated nanosecond precision, since FAT timestamps weren't as precise.


Posted by: pete at August 10, 2017 03:11 PM (WPYlw)

319 This evidence must be wrong because it contradicts our conclusions.

Furthermore, we know Manafort must be hiding evidence of collusion because there is no evidence of collusion in the material he has provided.

Posted by: Intelligence Experts from 17 (give or take) Agencies at August 10, 2017 03:11 PM (kfcYC)

320 Newsweek is pushing the story that Rich is the one who discovered the Russian hacking and was murdered by Trump people so it wouldn't be discovered.
Posted by: shibumi at August 10, 2017 03:07 PM (aT+Bx)


Seriously? Talk about projection.
Posted by: rickl at August 10, 2017 03:09 PM (xjiRE)

Well well well.
They went "there." That means Seth Rich WAS an inside job and SOMEBODY has the proof.....

Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 03:11 PM (7uYFy)

321 Who in the cuck reads Newsweek?

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at August 10, 2017 03:11 PM (XFue2)

322 Zod is going to be upset that Dana Perino's mouth is not available this evening while he binge-watches World at War.


Posted by: Zod at August 10, 2017 02:54 PM (Bdeb0)

and Jasper is going to be upset if she forgets to bring home peanut butter.

Posted by: wth at August 10, 2017 03:11 PM (HgMAr)

323 That speed is much faster than what is physically possible with a hack

So, what, if you break the password it lowers the USB transfer rate vs. just knowing it?

Posted by: Ian S. at August 10, 2017 03:12 PM (3J/LN)

324 Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2017 03:09 PM (9TU00)

One of the four was the DNI, which is an aggregator, thus not technically an agency.

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 10, 2017 03:12 PM (gwPgz)

325 So, the DNC created Guccifer 2.0 out of thin air and used the CIA's false-flag tool to embed "suspicious" Russian elements into the document?

Now.. that actually sounds more believable than the Russia is interfering in your elections bullshit.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 10, 2017 03:12 PM (so+oy)

326 Seriously? Talk about projection. Posted by: rickl at August 10, 2017 03:09 PM

http://www.newsweek.com/seth-rich-russia-and-2016-election-648312

Posted by: shibumi at August 10, 2017 03:13 PM (aT+Bx)

327 So, what, if you break the password it lowers the USB transfer rate vs. just knowing it?

no, but there's a physical limit to how fast data can go across phone lines, etc

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 10, 2017 03:13 PM (39g3+)

328 So, the DNC created Guccifer 2.0 out of thin air and used the CIA's false-flag tool to embed "suspicious" Russian elements into the document?

Now.. that actually sounds more believable than the Russia is interfering in your elections bullshit.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 10, 2017 03:12 PM (so+oy)

The story will come out and I hope I live long enough to read about it.

Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 03:13 PM (7uYFy)

329 Hillary is the one and only person who claimed '17 intelligence agencies' in some debate. Regular folk (like me went how the heck are there 17 of those goshdarned roaches) still believe that all of DC was working for Hillary -- and we have been shown correct.

The four agencies who have been implicated in the RUSSIA! stuff are so compromised that who can believe them aside from MSM idiots.

Posted by: mustbequantum at August 10, 2017 03:14 PM (MIKMs)

330 Golf clap
Do you know how naive you sound, Michael? DNC senators and the Clinton's don't have men killed.

Oh? Who's being naive Kay.
Posted by: Strobe at August 10, 2017 02:12 PM (gbWkA)

Posted by: Deacon Blues at August 10, 2017 03:14 PM (dZGNV)

331 325 So, the DNC created Guccifer 2.0 out of thin air and used the CIA's false-flag tool to embed "suspicious" Russian elements into the document?

Now.. that actually sounds more believable than the Russia is interfering in your elections bullshit.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 10, 2017 03:12 PM (so+oy)

We truly are in a Wag the Dog type of situation... where they are trying to push War with North Korea, and RUSSIA... while we already have troops fighting in what... 6 other countries? (note, its the Media and Dems pushing this crap, with some help from GOPe)

Posted by: Don Q..,.. Philosophizer at August 10, 2017 03:14 PM (NgKpN)

332 I saw Nanosecond Precision open for Kraftwerk back in '78

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at August 10, 2017 03:14 PM (CPk08)

333 So, the DNC created Guccifer 2.0 out of thin air and used the CIA's false-flag tool to embed "suspicious" Russian elements into the document?

I don't think they even went that far. I think they just paid the guy that looked at their stuff to say what they wanted him to. Nobody else has been able to look at the machines or see what he saw.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 10, 2017 03:14 PM (39g3+)

334 Wait, now Seth Rich was murdered by Trump?

Oh I give up.

Posted by: alexthechick - a manatee life for me at August 10, 2017 03:14 PM (mf5HN)

335 Posted by: Intelligence Experts from 17 (give or take) Agencies at August 10, 2017 03:11 PM (kfcYC)

The complete total lack of evidence implicating Trump is a clear sign of the lengths he went to in committing this crime!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 10, 2017 03:15 PM (gwPgz)

336 So "Seth Rich discovered the hacking and that's why he was killed" is on the table. So they put out that Trump had him offed, so that when someone says the DNC did, no one will believe it....

Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 03:15 PM (7uYFy)

337 So, the DNC created Guccifer 2.0 out of thin air and used the CIA's false-flag tool to embed "suspicious" Russian elements into the document?

Now.. that actually sounds more believable than the Russia is interfering in your elections bullshit.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 10, 2017 03:12 PM (so+oy)

The story will come out and I hope I live long enough to read about it.

Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 03:13 PM (7uYFy)


I want to live long enough to smell the gunpowder and the over stressed lamp posts.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at August 10, 2017 03:15 PM (aMlLZ)

338 Although INDIVIDUALS in the intelligence community might be trustworthy and intelligent, theyr'e in the swamp and IMHO, the system is corrupt.

Posted by: shibumi at August 10, 2017 03:09 PM (aT+Bx)

-------------------------------------------------------------------

Yea...that is the most likely answer now. I would also add that they compete with each other for tax money, so they tend to leak information about each other to the public.

Posted by: Google at August 10, 2017 03:17 PM (MuTTO)

339 Also... Newsweek is pushing the story that Rich is
the one who discovered the Russian hacking and was murdered by Trump
people so it wouldn't be discovered.


Posted by: shibumi at August 10, 2017 03:07 PM (aT+Bx)

Under the maxim of universal leftist projection, I would say that this now proves beyond a "reasonable" doubt that Seth Rich was the leaker and was murdered because of it.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at August 10, 2017 03:17 PM (tbOMB)

340 Eh. The Nation thinks Bernie Sanders is a spineless moderate. Anything they write should be taken with great, honking stacks of salt. Plus, as others have pointed out, forensic computer analysis at this distance is iffy at best. The FBI ought to know but they either aren't interested or wish to bury the knowledge.

Posted by: joncelli, Ray of Freakin' Sunshine at August 10, 2017 03:17 PM (RD7QR)

341 Could the server have a dedicated 1 Gig line to the Router? through a Firewall? Possible... but very unlikely....
Posted by: Don Q..,.. Philosophizer

The key isn't whats inside the building at the DNC - but what's upstream to the Cloud. That neighborhood been improving, but its not Ashburn.

Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2017 03:18 PM (9TU00)

342 I'm going to take a hike over to the Reddit Donald page and see what those kooks, bless their souls, are saying....

Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 03:18 PM (7uYFy)

343 The complete total lack of evidence implicating Trump is a clear sign of the lengths he went to in committing this crime!
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 10, 2017 03:15 PM (gwPgz)

----------------------------------------------------

I guess that means he is a super genius...

Posted by: Google at August 10, 2017 03:18 PM (MuTTO)

344 Havent read the article, but if the speed of the download is what they are basing it on, then no. That is not solid proof it was local or over LAN....at all.

Posted by: MikeInBA at August 10, 2017 03:18 PM (yaFth)

345 334

Wait, now Seth Rich was murdered by Trump?

Oh I give up.
Posted by: alexthechick - a manatee life for me at August 10, 2017 03:14 PM (mf5HN)

" Show of hands... who here has NOT murdered Seth Rich???"

This is where it will end up.. in a muddy mess, that the populi will be bored with..

Posted by: kraken at August 10, 2017 03:18 PM (zSVEm)

346 You mean Seth Rich didn't keep a separate envelope with the incriminating evidence to be mailed out if anything happened to him? Didn't he even watch TV?

Posted by: Jack Sock at August 10, 2017 03:19 PM (A6Xv7)

347 One of the four was the DNI, which is an aggregator, thus not technically an agency.
Posted by: Hrothgar

I thought their job was to lose good intel

Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2017 03:20 PM (9TU00)

348 Under the maxim of universal leftist projection, I would say that this now proves beyond a "reasonable" doubt that Seth Rich was the leaker and was murdered because of it.

Well yeah, my response is: so they're admitting he was murdered for political reasons?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 10, 2017 03:20 PM (39g3+)

349 318 RE: 238 But, the timestamps are editable.

You obviously don't know about data forensics. None of the tools that allow you to edit timestamps allow you to edit nanoseconds, but the actual timestamp of an NTFS file stored in binary measures time to a 100 nanosecond precision. So when you look at the actual 8-byte timestamp block of an NTFS file, an altered timestamp will have a block of zeroes where the nanosecond precision should be. It's also possible to determine from a timestamp if it was transferred via a flash drive, as flash drives are usually formatted as FAT, and this will result in a timestamp with a partially truncated nanosecond precision, since FAT timestamps weren't as precise.


Posted by: pete at August 10, 2017 03:11 PM (WPYlw)

++++

I'll admit that I don't have any expertise in data forensics if you will admit that you don't know what tools the NSA (or its equivalent in Russia) have.

Or are you saying that it would be impossible for the NSA or its like to fabricate this so called evidence? If the NSA was able to remotely hack a network, do you really believe that they don't have the tools and expertise to make it look like the files were copied to a device onsite?

We are talking about a bunch of 1s and 0s. They can be rewritten after the fact. All it takes is the expertise to know what the end product should look like.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 10, 2017 03:20 PM (FUu/Z)

350 From the start, it was always my professional opinion that, based if on nothing else Occam's Razor, that this is in fact what happened. That is, the most likely explanation for what happened was that someone with direct access to the machines in question downloaded the emails onto a storage device (thumb drive or the like) and walked out with it.

I'd be curious to know how "they" knew the size of the data file and how long it took to download. But if that is correct, then they are certainly correct that the download did NOT take place across any wide area network, such as the Internet. With a file that big, even using a high speed broadband Internet connection, it would have taken a few minutes to download such a file, not 80-90 seconds.

Posted by: The Oort Cloud - No-Longer-Deplorable Source of all SMODs at August 10, 2017 03:21 PM (RxCVB)

351 Before long, there may be talk show snark about all of this... and then it's over because those arbiters of public opinion say it is..

Posted by: kraken at August 10, 2017 03:21 PM (zSVEm)

352 339 Also... Newsweek is pushing the story that Rich is
the one who discovered the Russian hacking and was murdered by Trump
people so it wouldn't be discovered.


Posted by: shibumi at August 10, 2017 03:07 PM (aT+Bx)

Under the maxim of universal leftist projection, I would say that this now proves beyond a "reasonable" doubt that Seth Rich was the leaker and was murdered because of it.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at August 10, 2017 03:17 PM (tbOMB)

When did Newsweek get the memo to blame Trump for the murder.

Posted by: Northernlurker, who sometimes skulks and is now jobless. at August 10, 2017 03:22 PM (hJrjt)

353 while we already have troops fighting in what... 6 other countries?

The problem is, or one of the problems, is that we have troops in some countries, but we are NOT fighting in any meaningful way anywhere

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2017 03:24 PM (5y11N)

354 I thought their job was to lose good intel

Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2017 03:20 PM (9TU00)


An intel organization never loses intel, they might just temporarily forget where it is...

until it is needed again.

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 10, 2017 03:24 PM (gwPgz)

355 344 Havent read the article, but if the speed of the download is what they are basing it on, then no. That is not solid proof it was local or over LAN....at all.
Posted by: MikeInBA at August 10, 2017 03:18 PM (yaFth)

Umm, over 100 mbps, going over lord knows how many different networks and VPNs where the least common denominator controls the speed? Unless you think the Russians had a direct OC-3 into the DNC, I would say it definitely points in the direction of not being Russians.

Posted by: lymond at August 10, 2017 03:24 PM (FNa/B)

356 The truth will never be public knowledge. The uniparty will keep its secret and tell its lies. What difference, at this point, does it make. Burn it all down.

Posted by: USNtakim at August 10, 2017 03:25 PM (zZWkn)

357 They went "there." That means Seth Rich WAS an inside job and SOMEBODY has the proof.....
--

Oh, I believe they totally have the proof.

Police body cams for Seth Rich: not released.

Local video cams: don't seem to be investigated:
http://tinyurl.com/yby9uc8o

I also think that Kim Dotcom said he had proof and would testify that Seth Rich. No follow up.

Lots of speculation at 4chan. IIRC, the act itself was done by a union person {maybe SIEU} associated with the DNC.

Posted by: shibumi at August 10, 2017 03:25 PM (aT+Bx)

358 "336 So "Seth Rich discovered the hacking and that's why he was killed" is on the table. So they put out that Trump had him offed, so that when someone says the DNC did, no one will believe it....
Posted by: JoeF."


We've got raging clues about it.

Posted by: The Hardly Boys at August 10, 2017 03:26 PM (OD2ni)

359 Also... Newsweek is pushing the story that Rich is

the one who discovered the Russian hacking and was murdered by Trump

people so it wouldn't be discovered.




Posted by: shibumi at August 10, 2017 03:07 PM (aT+Bx)

Whoever paid $1 for that POS publication got taken.

Posted by: Tami at August 10, 2017 03:26 PM (Enq6K)

360 If Trump had Seth Rich murdered then it was undoubtedly a luxurious hit--classy. Only the best assassins and weapons, bigly.

Posted by: joncelli, Ray of Freakin' Sunshine at August 10, 2017 03:26 PM (RD7QR)

361 The name of the DNC donor whose house the meth crazed party boy died at is, get this, Ed Buck....

Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 03:26 PM (7uYFy)

362 PDT continues to bludgeon no chin shit necked McConnell on twatter. Basically called him a lazy two-faced liar. Love it.

Posted by: Under Fire at August 10, 2017 03:27 PM (mcI77)

363 with mueller and his cerebral palsy afflicted marching band on this, hell will freeze over before any democrat will be frogmarched anywhere. i will be returned to dust before any democrat receives the justice they deserve. has never happened in my my life.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 10, 2017 03:27 PM (KP5rU)

364 When did Newsweek get the memo to blame Trump for the murder.
---

story is from yesterday.

Posted by: shibumi at August 10, 2017 03:28 PM (aT+Bx)

365 "Whoever paid $1 for that POS publication got taken.

Posted by: Tami"


It is also came with Kurt Eichenwald's tentacle pron collection.

Posted by: Benji Carver at August 10, 2017 03:28 PM (OD2ni)

366 I'm a network guy, I'm seeing some different math in here, so here's mine:
"1,976 MegaBytes of data in 87 seconds"
1,976 MB is equal to:
1,976,000,000 bytes
Multipy by 8 to get into bits:
15,808,000,000 bits
Now divide by 87 seconds:
181,701,149 bps (bits per second)

Or approx: 182 mbps (megabits per second)

That is very fast. Not impossible speeds, but unlikely speeds, given that it would have to have gone overseas to the Kremlin or wherever.

Posted by: other joe_mama at August 10, 2017 03:28 PM (C7VXP)

367 An intel organization never loses intel, they might just temporarily forget where it is...

until it is needed again.
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 10, 2017 03:24 PM (gwPgz)

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Intelligence agencies are large enough where at least one or two people know exactly where this intel is sequestered. Information like this is never forgotten.

Posted by: Soona at August 10, 2017 03:28 PM (Fmupd)

368 Black Dem Leader: Electoral College System Was Designed To Empower Racists

And yet Barack Obama managed to win two terms.

Weasel Zippers

Sigh, hey race baitors, not everything is about race

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2017 03:29 PM (5y11N)

369 PDT continues to bludgeon no chin shit necked McConnell on twatter. Basically called him a lazy two-faced liar. Love it.
Posted by: Under Fire at August 10, 2017 03:27 PM
(mcI77
Maybe he's trying to get Elaine Chao to resign?

Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 03:29 PM (7uYFy)

370 Assuming the quantity of data and duration of the transfer are correct, then it would require ~200 Mhz bandwidth, so IN THEORY, it could be done over a 25 MB Internet connection. IN THEORY.

In reality, the transfer speed is going to be determined by a lot of things. I've got a 45 MB pipe from At&T and usually manage 4 MB/sec or so, max. That's determined by load on the source server, internal routings at the source, and routing between source and me. The size of the pipe you buy from your ISP doesn't usually make that much difference.

On the other hand, if I download a movie from Amazon, then store it on a WD Cloud Drive, I see 25 - 30 MB/sec over my home WiFi (5.0 GHz band).

So the story seems rock solid to me.

Posted by: EndOfPatience at August 10, 2017 03:29 PM (PVBzL)

371 Black Dem Leader: Electoral College System Was Designed To Empower Racists

And yet Barack Obama managed to win two terms.

Weasel Zippers

Sigh, hey race baitors, not everything is about race
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2017 03:29 PM (5y11N)\
Lol. The electoral college came to be before blacks had the franchise.
Unless that's his point....but still.

Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 03:30 PM (7uYFy)

372 Unless that's his point....but still.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 10, 2017 03:30 PM (7uYFy)

her point, but hey in today's world I could be wrong? Buyer beware. LOL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 10, 2017 03:31 PM (5y11N)

373 Going through SEIU who then gets some hood rat or 3rd worlder to do the hit is actually a solid strategy the Marxists have in place. Gets written off as gang violence or a botched GTA or robbery every single time.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at August 10, 2017 03:32 PM (XFue2)

374 We're veering off into epistemology. How do we know that there's even a universe, and I'm not just dreaming all of you? If you start with the proposition that the NSA and Russkie equivalent could create any cyber document they wanted to and leave no trace, then the only conclusion is that everything is unknowable. They could have created all the e-mails, too. They could have created Lee Harvey Oswald. Better to assume that a time stamp is a time stamp until evidence to the contrary is presented.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 10, 2017 03:32 PM (pvpcV)

375 "Many months ago I tweeted something to that effect---was there not one
patriot who would put their country above their pension?"

The only FBI agent I ever heard of who did -- sort of -- was a hardcore lefty who quit the bureau during the Reagan Administration because he didn't agree with their surveillance of "peace" groups protesting US involvement in Central America. He ended up forfeiting his pension although IIRC he sued (unsuccessfully) to get it back. Google Look up "Jack Ryan, FBI Agent, Peoria, Illinois" for more info.

Posted by: Secret Square at August 10, 2017 03:32 PM (+HoK2)

376 The probability that someone inside the DNC downloaded the files onto a physical device seems pretty close to 100%.

And I'm pretty sure that the who, what, where, and why has been known by people who should know, for a long time. Kabuki theater on steroids.

Posted by: mrp at August 10, 2017 03:33 PM (Pqytn)

377 In before someone mentions Seth Rich.

Posted by: Fritz at August 10, 2017 03:33 PM (2Mnv1)

378 Sadly, The RNC and Republicans are twice the Incompetant Tards that the DNC are. We are waking up to this now.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at August 10, 2017 03:33 PM (XFue2)

379 If Trump had Seth Rich murdered then it was undoubtedly a luxurious hit--classy. Only the best assassins and weapons, bigly.

Posted by: joncelli, Ray of Freakin' Sunshine at August 10, 2017 03:26 PM (RD7QR)
............

Making Assassination Great Again

Posted by: wth at August 10, 2017 03:33 PM (HgMAr)

380 363 with mueller and his cerebral palsy afflicted marching band on this, hell will freeze over before any democrat will be frogmarched anywhere. i will be returned to dust before any democrat receives the justice they deserve. has never happened in my my life.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 10, 2017 03:27 PM (KP5rU)

----------

Agree. The swamp will do what swamps do. The corruption will decompose the evidence. What we're seeing now is advanced decay.

Posted by: Soona at August 10, 2017 03:33 PM (Fmupd)

381 I meant to strike "Google" in my last post but the strikethrough thingy still doesn't work....

Posted by: Secret Square at August 10, 2017 03:34 PM (+HoK2)

382 Of course it's easily checkable, that's why the DNC didn't want to turn over it's server (among other reasons)

Posted by: Reality Man at August 10, 2017 03:34 PM (Ch0fq)

383 375

Google Look up "Jack Ryan, FBI Agent, Peoria, Illinois" for more info.

Posted by: Secret Square at August 10, 2017 03:32 PM (+HoK2

Man, I bet Jeri was PRETTTY mad...

Posted by: kraken at August 10, 2017 03:34 PM (zSVEm)

384 377 In before someone mentions Seth Rich.
Posted by: Fritz at August 10, 2017 03:33 PM (2Mnv1)


He was fairly good in " Buffy"...

Posted by: kraken at August 10, 2017 03:35 PM (zSVEm)

385 360 "If Trump had Seth Rich murdered then it was undoubtedly a luxurious hit--classy. Only the best assassins and weapons, bigly."
Posted by: joncelli, Ray of Freakin' Sunshine at August 10, 2017 03:26 PM (RD7QR)


Trump's guy was so good that Rich didn't even know he was shot.

Now that's one classy hit.

Posted by: jwest at August 10, 2017 03:36 PM (Zs4uk)

386 Was Seth Rich related to Marc Rich?

Posted by: mrp at August 10, 2017 03:36 PM (Pqytn)

387 To this very day, none of the "17" (aka Clapper, Brennan, Comey, Rogers) have been permitted access to the server. Zero.

But we have John Podesta's word on it.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at August 10, 2017 03:37 PM (36gza)

388 386
Was Seth Rich related to Marc Rich?

Posted by: mrp at August 10, 2017 03:36 PM (Pqytn)

Oh that's rich!

Posted by: Tami at August 10, 2017 03:37 PM (Enq6K)

389 Y2K happened. We entered a new simulation where the earth is flat and interdemensional vampires live off of our chi fueled from the deep holographic matrix all around us.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at August 10, 2017 03:37 PM (XFue2)

390 "386 Was Seth Rich related to Marc Rich?
Posted by: mrp"


No, but I believe he was related to former Bills backup QB Frank Rich.

Posted by: Benji Carver at August 10, 2017 03:38 PM (OD2ni)

391 389

Y2K happened. We entered a new simulation where the earth is flat and interdemensional vampires live off of our chi fueled from the deep holographic matrix all around us.
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at August 10, 2017 03:37 PM (XFue2)

" George Noori, paging George Noori..."

Posted by: kraken at August 10, 2017 03:39 PM (zSVEm)

392
Was Seth Rich related to Marc Rich?


Buddy Rich... or so I heard.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 10, 2017 03:40 PM (6bMel)

393 No, but I believe he was related to former Bills backup QB Frank Rich.

Posted by: Benji Carver at August 10, 2017 03:38 PM (OD2ni)
============

Then there's the long-time NYT goofball Frank Rich.

Posted by: mrp at August 10, 2017 03:40 PM (Pqytn)

394
Y2K happened. We entered a new simulation where the earth is flat and
interdemensional vampires live off of our chi fueled from the deep
holographic matrix all around us.
=====

Made me laugh. TY.

Posted by: mustbequantum at August 10, 2017 03:40 PM (MIKMs)

395 I'll say this, even as cynical as I am, the amount of criminality and widespread corruption at all levels of government being revealed on a daily basis is astounding.

The fact that it seems not only is the GOP aware of it, they are complicit in it and are willingly turning a blind eye to it.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 10, 2017 03:41 PM (9A6UB)

396
No, but I believe he was related to former Bills backup QB Frank Rich.


That will cost you 15 yds and loss of down.It's Frank Reich

Posted by: Will Munny at August 10, 2017 03:42 PM (lKyWE)

397 395 I'll say this, even as cynical as I am, the amount of criminality and widespread corruption at all levels of government being revealed on a daily basis is astounding.

The fact that it seems not only is the GOP aware of it, they are complicit in it and are willingly turning a blind eye to it.
Posted by: Kreplach at August 10, 2017 03:41 PM (9A6UB)

Maybe what Trump can do is at least point out that there IS a swamp.....

Posted by: kraken at August 10, 2017 03:43 PM (zSVEm)

398 If nobody doubts that bears shit in the woods, how come some people still doubt that climate change is real? #science bitches#

Posted by: Neil deGrasse Tyson at August 10, 2017 03:43 PM (OD2ni)

399 395 I'll say this, even as cynical as I am, the amount of criminality and widespread corruption at all levels of government being revealed on a daily basis is astounding.

The fact that it seems not only is the GOP aware of it, they are complicit in it and are willingly turning a blind eye to it.

^^^this^^^
^^^this^^^
^^^this^^^ times 1000.
UNIPARTY

Posted by: USNtakim at August 10, 2017 03:43 PM (zZWkn)

400 That's 2 GIGS of data That's a LOT of emails. In fact a humongous number of emails. The other day I d/l'd 9 gigs at a rate of 1gig every 5 minutes. So yeah it would take more than 80 some seconds.


Posted by: Maggie Gray at August 10, 2017 03:44 PM (kcQIp)

401 390 "386 Was Seth Rich related to Marc Rich?
Posted by: mrp"


Longtime Memphis wrestler and very brief NWA World Champion, Tommy "Wildfire" Rich.

Posted by: ScoggDog at August 10, 2017 03:44 PM (aN6O8)

402 It's Frank Reich
Wirklich?

Posted by: Sporkatus at August 10, 2017 03:44 PM (eXSOZ)

403 If nobody doubts that bears shit in the woods, how come some people still doubt that climate change is real? #science bitches#

Posted by: Neil deGrasse Tyson at August 10, 2017 03:43 PM (OD2ni)

because frogs don't really have watertight assholes

Posted by: wth at August 10, 2017 03:44 PM (HgMAr)

404 "392
Was Seth Rich related to Marc Rich?"


Marc's ex-wife Denise had big 'ol hooters. Let me tell ya.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at August 10, 2017 03:45 PM (OD2ni)

405 At least when KGB shoot someone in the back during an assassination, they make it look like a robbery

Posted by: Strobe at August 10, 2017 03:45 PM (gbWkA)

406
You know who else had a thing about Reiches?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 10, 2017 03:46 PM (6bMel)

407 I heard Rush mention something in the Free Beacon and immediately said no it's the Free Not Bacon.

Posted by: alexthechick - a manatee life for me at August 10, 2017 03:46 PM (mf5HN)

408 380: soona, i have had my hopes dashed so many times, i quit giving a fuck. i will thank trump for exposing the fact that all repukes and demos are the same. fucking thieves working their trade right in front of our eyes. it's like pro wrestling, behind the scenes, they are laughing their asses off at the gullible voters who think their vote matters. it's all bullshit.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at August 10, 2017 03:47 PM (KP5rU)

409 Or approx: 182 mbps (megabits per second)

That is very fast. Not impossible speeds, but unlikely speeds, given that it would have to have gone overseas to the Kremlin or wherever.
Posted by: other joe_mama at August 10, 2017 03:28 PM (C7VXP)

Whole thing would be very easy to prove... with physical access to the network.... and server.

Server, wiring, Switch, Firewall, Router, external wideband link... and the entire path to another country, would have to support more than that speed... with no slowdowns...

Heck, if sent TCP vice UDP, just the handshaking itself would kill the transfer speed...

Posted by: Don Q..,.. Philosophizer at August 10, 2017 03:50 PM (NgKpN)

410 1976MB in 87secs ...

1976/87 = 22.7 MB/sec (round up to 23)

23 MB/s = 184Mbps

My closest big city (Chattanooga) offers 1gigabps service for around $70. My ISP (in Dade Co,GA) also offers 1gigabps but I'm on the poor end at 100Mbps (and I routinely get 90Mbps). 1gigabps would easily handle that much data in 87 sec.

I also wouldn't expect a national political organization to be pinching pennies with their internet connectivity.

Posted by: The Packetman at August 10, 2017 03:51 PM (7GOFX)

411 NOOD.

Serena Williams baby bump

Posted by: IrishEi at August 10, 2017 03:53 PM (HiDrR)

412 My closest big city (Chattanooga) offers 1gigabps service for around $70. My ISP (in Dade Co,GA) also offers 1gigabps but I'm on the poor end at 100Mbps (and I routinely get 90Mbps). 1gigabps would easily handle that much data in 87 sec.

I also wouldn't expect a national political organization to be pinching pennies with their internet connectivity.
Posted by: The Packetman at August 10, 2017 03:51 PM (7GOFX)

That's 1 Gig max download speed, you upload speed would be significantly slower...

AND, your computer, house wiring, switch, router, and firewall... would all have to support those speeds...

Plus, the path to the other country where this supposedly was done from, would have to support that speed, AS WELL AS ALL THEIR EQUIPMENT...

Now, if done as a hack, it was NOT done as a direct attack, it was done through a Proxy server to mask that attack... so THEIR equipment would also have to support those speeds...

All links in the chain of communication would have to support that speed AT A MINIMUM...

Posted by: Don Q..,.. Philosophizer at August 10, 2017 03:57 PM (NgKpN)

413 You can test their claim yourself. Try a simple experiment, time the download speed onto a stick, versus just sending the same data via email

It was inside. Not a hack
And that makes for a whole host of interesting questions

Posted by: KenH at August 10, 2017 04:19 PM (nER8W)

414 1976 MB = 15808 Mb (8 bits in a byte )
15808 Mb / 87 sec = 181.7 Mb/s (commonly written as Mbps)

These rates are high but not unobtainable. However, they are dependent upon the DNC having at least a 200 Mbps ISP connection. That's certainly not crazy talk - many mid-sized organizations have several hundred Mbps connections, and well into Gbps range.

The point about the transoceanic issue is quite valid ... if it applied, but the truth is a hacker wouldn't necessarily steal data to his personal system (in fact, this is a terrible idea as it points the finger right at you). It'd be much better to first compromise a system in Alexandria, especially a system owned by an org that does business with the DNC. Then you transfer the file to the Alexandrian server and then from there to some other location. Preferably with multiple bounces, including some through countries that won't give US authority access to their systems.

TL;DR ... they're flat wrong when they say these speeds are impossible over the Internet UNLESS the DNC was super-cheap with their ISP.

Posted by: Network Engineer at August 10, 2017 04:22 PM (4QpQE)

415 Not going to argue the speed point but it only points out what the underground knew 6 months ago. It was an inside job.

Posted by: ThomasR at August 10, 2017 04:28 PM (khIpu)

416 Remember, the phrase 'Russia hacked the election' was cooked up to leave the false impression, that Russia literally altered votes. That's the impression it was intended to leave.

Yet when pressed on this, the answer always becomes something nebulous about internet trolls.

Mind you, the same people bleating on about Russia, think voter fraud is a myth, even as evidence mounts to support that its pervasive.


Posted by: Rodney C. Johnson at August 10, 2017 04:32 PM (A5STV)

417 9 Fake news. We all know it was Trump driving a stolen Macedonian content farm tractor, loaded down with Russian hackers on their way to a golden shower orgy, with tire iron fights to follow.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine


Fake! Those are lug wrenches, dammit!

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at August 10, 2017 04:32 PM (di1hb)

418 I have been writing this in the comments for months.
Read G-2space, Adam Carter's page. He has links to The Forensicator and Disobedient Media.
There was NO hack; it was a leak and yes, I believe the Awans are involved in Seth Rich's death and that Seth was the leaker.
Whatever you think of KDC, unprompted he brought up a DNC leak in his Bloomberg interview in April of 2016 before anyone was saying anything about a breach. How did he know? And what would provoke Assange to bring up the murder of Seth Rich during his Dutch tv interview?

Posted by: flowerbelle1 at August 10, 2017 04:39 PM (AkAvN)

419

And if the last file was big then the difference in creation time stamps isn't a complete measure.

Posted by: DaveA at August 10, 2017 04:59 PM (FhXTo)

420 1976 / 87 = 22.71MBs

Seems doable over ethernet.

I just did a dsl speed test and I downloaded at 11.8MBs from Atlanta to my desktop. And I'm on the 100Mbs link, not on the really high speed part of our network.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 10, 2017 05:00 PM (QQ+il)

421 392 Was Seth Rich related to Marc Rich?

You're thinking of Rich Little--you know, Little Richard's brother.

There is a connection of sorts.

Marc Rich was selling technology to the Ayatollah (before that became Official Policy). The Clinton/Rodham Gang sold him a pardon. The US Atty. who gave the Clintons a pass--Jim Comey. If you count the non-investigation of the Clinton Foundation, that is the third "pardon'" Comey has given the Clintons.

He was rewarded with the FBI job.

BTW, after Ashcroft recused, Dep. Atty. Gen. Comey sicced Fitzgerald on Scooter Libby for the non-crime of Richard Armitage using Plame's name. The goal was to get Cheney removed.

Rot. From Top to Bottom.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at August 10, 2017 05:05 PM (EYwhF)

422 This (the "inside angle") fits better than the "random" theory floated by the Donkeys and their pets, the MSM.
Throw in the illicit foreign money, likely in the 10's of millions, to make it worth the trouble/risk/$ investment in getting the job done. Somebody was about to get good and cornered.

Talk is cheap, silence can get real expensive.

Posted by: klaftern at August 10, 2017 05:07 PM (RuIsu)

423 Jibes with my main theory that someone with a drop of patriotic blood realized that The Corrupt Hag would be so easily blackmailed that they let out just the tip of the iceberg in order to derail her chances of becoming Commander In Chief.

Again, why in the hell would Putin want Trump over Hillary?

FFS

Posted by: Denny Crane! at August 10, 2017 05:44 PM (4bjXi)

424 Transfer would have been 22 Mega BYTES per second...

Normal internet speeds are calculated in Bits...

8 bits to a Byte... so... would need a consistent 176 Mega BIT connection to reach that speed...

Getting that speed from another country? I don't see it...

Now.... even the backbone of most Networks, work at 100 Megabit per sec.... so even the NETWORK itself would not support that transfer rate...

So.... now... based on the size of the file... it was not a thumb drive...

If this information about speed of transfer is correct... it had to be an external USB backup drive...
Posted by: Don Q..,.. Philosophizer at August 10, 2017 02:20 PM (NgKpN)

Not quite. Most network backbones run at FAR higher speeds than 100 Mbit/sec. That's only Fast Ethernet speed, which is fast becoming obsolete. Your router in your house probably has Gigabit Ethernet ports. Most cellular companies (The one I work for anyway) has a IP backbone with individual circuits that run at 100 Gigabits per second each.

But the main bottleneck is the DNC server's upload speed. I get 300 Mbit/sec download speed from Spectrum easily, but my upload speed is limited to 25MBit/s. If they bought a service that goes higher than that (Which is entirely possible), then it's not unfeasible to get 187Mb/s upload speeds.

Posted by: Cymbaline at August 10, 2017 07:42 PM (f/uEA)

425 Can we look at it from the other angle? Download speed from server to USB drive? Does the rate seem too fast or too slow? Just want to be able to rule that out (or in, I guess... I'm outta coffee so brain sluggish).

Posted by: Fen at August 10, 2017 08:07 PM (65BNR)

426 Mbps = Megabits per second. A bit is one 8th of a byte.

So to convert the quoted speed to your equivalent, divide by 8. If your quoted transfer speed is 80 mbps, that is equivalent to 10 megabytes per second. The speed calculated for these files is about 176 mbps. There are internet services available that fast for which one pays a premium. However multiple users sharing usage would slow it down, so it is only possible if the DNC had paid for a special "fast" connection, and no one else was using it. It is unlikely, I'll say that.

File attributes can be futzed if you know how to do it, but I don't see why these would be futzed in that particular way.

Also, there is a bit of time for opening and closing, and the connection would have to be fast on both ends. FIOS does offer a 300/300 service. In some places a 500/500 is available. I don't know. I think it is possible but very unlikely.

On a Verizon FIOS connection at this time of night as the sole user, I get a pretty consistent 17-19 mbps download rate, and about a 10 mbps upload rate. Needless to say, the theoretical rate is a lot higher. In megabytes per second, that would be 2.4/1.25. So this is not a normal internet connection, if it was one.

There are numerous free speedtest sites on the intertubes for you to try. Just search for "test upload download speed". Remember to divide the result by 8 to get the megabyte equivalent.

Posted by: MaxedOutMama at August 10, 2017 11:34 PM (jMapy)

427 The problem with Anon Y Mous's protests that a competent person could concoct the time-stamp evidence, even at the nanosecond level, because after all, its all 1s and 0s, is that it presumes a competence and technical awareness nowhere present in anything else the DNC has done in this case.

Its like the old saw has it, when you hear hoofbeats in the night, it could be zebras or horses, but its probably horses.

Posted by: Old Toby at August 11, 2017 07:04 AM (W+I/H)

428 The speed is not proof, but it is a heavy helping of stink.

We're talking about a hack that is so close to the target, it's indistinguishable from a leak.

Posted by: spmat at August 12, 2017 09:48 AM (QuE2W)

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