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Trump and Senators Cotton and Perdue Propose "RAISE Act:" Prioritizes Merit and Skill in Immigration, Cuts Legal Immigration in Half
I doubt this can even get past a filibuster, but it's time to at least start having this debate.
"RAISE" stands for "Reforming American Immigration for a Strong Economy." Eh, these names are kinda dumb, but that one's okay.The legislation, called The Raise Act, aims to replace the current permanent employment-immigration framework, which has been characterized by the Trump administration as a "lottery system," with what it is calling a skill-based system that operates on the basis of individual merits. The new competitive application process will favor those who possess skills that will benefit the U.S. economy, can speak english [sic] and are able to financially support themselves and their families, Trump said.... The Trump administration’s goal is to prevent low-skilled American workers from being undercut by immigrants with a comparable level of expertise. Sen. Cotton said Wednesday the current system places "great downward pressure on people who work with their hands and work on their feet." The White House also believes this transformation could raise wages and protect taxpayers by potentially decreasing the number of immigrant families that rely on welfare. More than 50% of all immigrant households receive welfare benefits, while 30% of native households do, according to the administration.More details from National Review.
The bill has two other key provisions that immigration hawks will like. The first addresses the Diversity Immigrant Visa Program, which makes 50,000 visas available annually to entrants from countries with low rates of immigration to the U.S. The "diversity lottery" serves no clear economic or humanitarian aims, and it doesn't promote any substantive diversity. The RAISE Act would end the program.
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This would be good, therefore the GOPe will make sure it fails.
Posted by: Average Guy at August 02, 2017 12:12 PM (KqRop)
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RACIST!!!!
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 02, 2017 12:13 PM (Nwg0u)
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Okay, let's do it!
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 02, 2017 12:13 PM (nJuW/)
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Who's up for some more failure theater?
Posted by: lymond at August 02, 2017 12:13 PM (FNa/B)
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at August 02, 2017 12:13 PM (72PAC)
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The Leviathan will kill this. It is evident, and from my Morning Report essay, that Washington DC is at war with America and its representative, Donald Trump.
Nothing is going to get done in regular order. PDT has to figure a way around this and frankly, I don't see how.
The Leviathan will kill this. It is evident, and from my Morning Report essay, that Washington DC is at war with America and its representative, Donald Trump.
Nothing is going to get done in regular order. PDT has to figure a way around this and frankly, I don't see how.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:14 PM (mbhDw)
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60% of US voters would be OK with a TOTAL freeze on immigration...
We need to put our own house in order, take care of our own, before we 'nice' ourselves into bankruptcy.
We need to put our own house in order, take care of our own, before we 'nice' ourselves into bankruptcy.
Posted by: Don Quixote, who loves Science..... but only for its mind at August 02, 2017 12:15 PM (NgKpN)
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Won't happen, but at least we're starting to talk about what we ought to have done 40 years ago. So, yay.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 12:15 PM (fA1SL)
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Thumbs down
Posted by: Juan McVain at August 02, 2017 12:15 PM (ul9CR)
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With real unemployment still in double figures, and salaries yet to recover back to Bush levels, why do we have any immigration?
Posted by: 18-1 at August 02, 2017 12:16 PM (eSx+E)
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I hereby predict every leftist on the planet from now until eternity will call this the RAISE-ist act.
Can I get a witness?
Can I get a witness?
Posted by: bonhomme at August 02, 2017 12:16 PM (jhqr1)
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7 60% of US voters would be OK with a TOTAL freeze on immigration...
We need to put our own house in order, take care of our own, before we 'nice' ourselves into bankruptcy.
Posted by: Don Quixote, who loves Science..... but only for its mind at August 02, 2017 12:15 PM (NgKpN)
Well, it's not our house. It's theirs, and they want us to FOAD.
We need to put our own house in order, take care of our own, before we 'nice' ourselves into bankruptcy.
Posted by: Don Quixote, who loves Science..... but only for its mind at August 02, 2017 12:15 PM (NgKpN)
Well, it's not our house. It's theirs, and they want us to FOAD.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:16 PM (mbhDw)
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11 I hereby predict every leftist on the planet from now until eternity will call this the RAISE-ist act.
Can I get a witness?
Posted by: bonhomme at August 02, 2017 12:16 PM (jhqr1)
You'll need two. And a notary.
Can I get a witness?
Posted by: bonhomme at August 02, 2017 12:16 PM (jhqr1)
You'll need two. And a notary.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 02, 2017 12:16 PM (0mRoj)
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LOVE this.
How soon before the MSM starts quoting the poem at the Statue of Liberty as if it were policy?
How soon before the MSM starts quoting the poem at the Statue of Liberty as if it were policy?
Posted by: Lizzy at August 02, 2017 12:16 PM (NOIQH)
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Aside from the policy merits, which are substantial, this, were it passed, would precipitate the final divorce of working-class whites from the Democrats and possibly even start to dig-in to their hold on working-class minorities.
Which, because these are not "the right sort of folks" according to the GOPe, is precisely why it will go nowhere.
Die GOP. Die.
Which, because these are not "the right sort of folks" according to the GOPe, is precisely why it will go nowhere.
Die GOP. Die.
Posted by: DocJ at August 02, 2017 12:16 PM (7bkOX)
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at August 02, 2017 12:16 PM (MINbv)
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a skill-based system
So get the Fed.gov as a referee in the which skills you know that mgt. doesn't want to pay for anymore directly rather than by industry.
So get the Fed.gov as a referee in the which skills you know that mgt. doesn't want to pay for anymore directly rather than by industry.
Posted by: DaveA at August 02, 2017 12:16 PM (FhXTo)
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(Amd thank Tengri and Kek ace is here! Ace, Ace! J.J. was teaching us bad words and how to play three card monty, and O.M. was scaring us with his pet gorilla!)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 12:17 PM (fA1SL)
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Let's face it, anything that could possibly help the competitive wage of lower paid working class Americans is going to be opposed by the Chamber of Commerce crowd. Anything that doesn't open the floodgates further is going to be opposed by the "compassionate" moderates who run the party. Anything that could possibly give President Trump positive optics is going to be opposed by the entire Beltway population.
We're screwed, as usual.
We're screwed, as usual.
Posted by: Average Guy at August 02, 2017 12:17 PM (KqRop)
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PS, can we call this a "conversation"?
'cause I'm told we need conversations on, well, pretty much everything.
'cause I'm told we need conversations on, well, pretty much everything.
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at August 02, 2017 12:17 PM (MINbv)
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17 a skill-based system
So get the Fed.gov as a referee in the which skills you know that mgt. doesn't want to pay for anymore directly rather than by industry.
Posted by: DaveA at August 02, 2017 12:16 PM (FhXTo)
One golf ball, 10 feet of garden hose.
Okay, senor???
So get the Fed.gov as a referee in the which skills you know that mgt. doesn't want to pay for anymore directly rather than by industry.
Posted by: DaveA at August 02, 2017 12:16 PM (FhXTo)
One golf ball, 10 feet of garden hose.
Okay, senor???
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:18 PM (mbhDw)
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Real American Income Support Edict
Require All Immigrants Stop Exploiting
Require All Immigrants Stop Exploiting
Posted by: Insomniac at August 02, 2017 12:18 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: Deplorable Redneck Bitter Clinger at August 02, 2017 12:18 PM (jAZR9)
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We have a one party system now. The Dems and GOPe have joined forces.
I can't even express here how I feel about them.
I can't even express here how I feel about them.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 02, 2017 12:18 PM (PY9jH)
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This will RIP the masks off many many Kabuki Actors!
At Masked balls in the 1600's and 1700s, at the end of the evening everyone would take off their masks...
It was called the 'Great Reveal'....
O'care votes were a little reveal... THIS will be the GREAT Reveal...
and what we see under those masks, will not be pretty...
At Masked balls in the 1600's and 1700s, at the end of the evening everyone would take off their masks...
It was called the 'Great Reveal'....
O'care votes were a little reveal... THIS will be the GREAT Reveal...
and what we see under those masks, will not be pretty...
Posted by: Don Quixote, who loves Science..... but only for its mind at August 02, 2017 12:18 PM (NgKpN)
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10. Because they've found immigrants are more tractable. That's why.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 12:18 PM (fA1SL)
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The new competitive application process will favor those who possess skills that will benefit the U.S. economy, can speak english [sic] and are able to financially support themselves and their families, Trump said....
A thousand times this.
America is not the world's flophouse.
A thousand times this.
America is not the world's flophouse.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 02, 2017 12:18 PM (X6fMO)
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It's looooong, long past time for this. The Australians do this and it works out well for them. There's nothing in the Constitution that says we have to take just anybody and every reason to craft immigration so that it benefits us. (Which is why the bill won't pass.)
Posted by: joncelli, Ray of Freakin' Sunshine at August 02, 2017 12:18 PM (RD7QR)
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20 PS, can we call this a "conversation"?
'cause I'm told we need conversations on, well, pretty much everything.
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at August 02, 2017 12:17 PM (MINbv)
Conversation = browbeating.
'cause I'm told we need conversations on, well, pretty much everything.
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at August 02, 2017 12:17 PM (MINbv)
Conversation = browbeating.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 02, 2017 12:18 PM (0mRoj)
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14 LOVE this.
How soon before the MSM starts quoting the poem at the Statue of Liberty as if it were policy?
Posted by: Lizzy at August 02, 2017 12:16 PM (NOIQH)
Are you telling us it's not?
How soon before the MSM starts quoting the poem at the Statue of Liberty as if it were policy?
Posted by: Lizzy at August 02, 2017 12:16 PM (NOIQH)
Are you telling us it's not?
Posted by: Average Guy at August 02, 2017 12:19 PM (KqRop)
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Just start selling Immigration Visas on EBay.
Why do we just give away something that is so obviously valuable?
Why do we just give away something that is so obviously valuable?
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at August 02, 2017 12:19 PM (h/uSM)
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I like Sen. Perdue. And the fact the progs in this state hate him makes me like him more.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 02, 2017 12:19 PM (PY9jH)
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Require All Islamists Stop Exploding!
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at August 02, 2017 12:19 PM (MINbv)
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 02, 2017 12:19 PM (6jaju)
Posted by: TexasDan at August 02, 2017 12:19 PM (yL25O)
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Remove All Immigrants to Southern Eritrea
Posted by: Insomniac at August 02, 2017 12:19 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: Lizzy at August 02, 2017 12:19 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 02, 2017 12:20 PM (PY9jH)
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By my rough calculation about 3.5 billion of the 4.5 billion people on this planet would be better off if they were permitted to immigrate here. At which point *here* would be no better than where they came from.
So anything to keep *here* a model for the world to emulate is better than nothing.
By my rough calculation about 3.5 billion of the 4.5 billion people on this planet would be better off if they were permitted to immigrate here. At which point *here* would be no better than where they came from.
So anything to keep *here* a model for the world to emulate is better than nothing.
Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at August 02, 2017 12:20 PM (EgwCt)
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60% of US voters would be OK with a TOTAL freeze on immigration...
We need to put our own house in order, take care of our own, before we 'nice' ourselves into bankruptcy.
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A guy on Tucker last night wants to replace the entire white population of CA with immigrants than CALEXIT.
We need to put our own house in order, take care of our own, before we 'nice' ourselves into bankruptcy.
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A guy on Tucker last night wants to replace the entire white population of CA with immigrants than CALEXIT.
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 02, 2017 12:20 PM (Nwg0u)
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Nothing is going to get done in regular order. PDT has to figure a way around this and frankly, I don't see how.
***
There are a lot of things he could do.
For example, tell the appropriate offices to stop approving any visas until a new policy is implemented.
Republicans often have nominal leverage over Democrats (nominal because they actually want the same things the Democrats do) that they refuse to use.
For example, break the budget into bills appropriating each department/program. Push through the ones you want and refuse to discuss the others. Then when you get to something the Left wants and the Right does not, don't pass a budget, or a greatly reduced one. There were discussions of this back in 2010 when the Reps took the House. But it became clear at that time that the GOPe didn't really disagree with the Dems.
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There are a lot of things he could do.
For example, tell the appropriate offices to stop approving any visas until a new policy is implemented.
Republicans often have nominal leverage over Democrats (nominal because they actually want the same things the Democrats do) that they refuse to use.
For example, break the budget into bills appropriating each department/program. Push through the ones you want and refuse to discuss the others. Then when you get to something the Left wants and the Right does not, don't pass a budget, or a greatly reduced one. There were discussions of this back in 2010 when the Reps took the House. But it became clear at that time that the GOPe didn't really disagree with the Dems.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 02, 2017 12:20 PM (eSx+E)
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at August 02, 2017 12:20 PM (MINbv)
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This is definitely NOT what was meant by "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" !!!!
Posted by: RioBravo at August 02, 2017 12:20 PM (SsblQ)
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Ace:
""RAISE" stands for "Reforming American Immigration for a Strong Economy." Eh, these names are kinda dumb, but that one's okay."
Politics is Weaponized Euphemism.
It's incredible how brazen some of these euphemisms are.
"Affirmative Action." Are you kidding me? How about "Racist Discrimination" for a more accurate title.
"Planned Parenthood." More like "Kill Your Unwanted Babies."
"Great Leap Forward" = Government-imposed mass starvation.
So yeah, in that context, I can live with "RAISE."
""RAISE" stands for "Reforming American Immigration for a Strong Economy." Eh, these names are kinda dumb, but that one's okay."
Politics is Weaponized Euphemism.
It's incredible how brazen some of these euphemisms are.
"Affirmative Action." Are you kidding me? How about "Racist Discrimination" for a more accurate title.
"Planned Parenthood." More like "Kill Your Unwanted Babies."
"Great Leap Forward" = Government-imposed mass starvation.
So yeah, in that context, I can live with "RAISE."
Posted by: zombie at August 02, 2017 12:21 PM (DQ4Fv)
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This is econ 101. Want to fix stagnation in wages? Tighten the size of the labor pool. Simple as that.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 12:21 PM (fA1SL)
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Oh, waiter. This conversation isn't very good.
No? Okay how about some live organ transplants....
Oh, waiter. This conversation isn't very good.
No? Okay how about some live organ transplants....
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:21 PM (mbhDw)
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Can we slip in a rider that there will be a bounty on visa overstays, to be payed out of the personal accounts of Congressional Democrats?
I mean as long as we're dreaming, might as well dream big!
I mean as long as we're dreaming, might as well dream big!
Posted by: bonhomme at August 02, 2017 12:21 PM (jhqr1)
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Correct on all points: no chance anything like this will become law, it's decades over-due and completely logical and sensible and matches what most developed countries do, and it has widespread popular support.
So ..... add up all those facts. Hmmm. It's almost as if the (eminently sensible) will of the people will simply NOT be reflected in national policy, period. And 95% of incumbents will be easily re-elected, forever.
Oh - and if that bit of cold reality isn't devastating enough, check out those welfare stats: THIRTY percent of Americans on some kind of welfare. And surely this doesn't include de facto social engineering welfare like subsidies for solar panels, and stupid electric cars, etc.
So ..... add up all those facts. Hmmm. It's almost as if the (eminently sensible) will of the people will simply NOT be reflected in national policy, period. And 95% of incumbents will be easily re-elected, forever.
Oh - and if that bit of cold reality isn't devastating enough, check out those welfare stats: THIRTY percent of Americans on some kind of welfare. And surely this doesn't include de facto social engineering welfare like subsidies for solar panels, and stupid electric cars, etc.
Posted by: rhomboid at August 02, 2017 12:21 PM (QDnY+)
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>>Are you telling us it's not?
Yeah, the "tired, poor, huddled masses" clause is right there next to the "good and plenty" clause guaranteeing health care
Yeah, the "tired, poor, huddled masses" clause is right there next to the "good and plenty" clause guaranteeing health care
Posted by: Lizzy at August 02, 2017 12:22 PM (NOIQH)
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47,
My kind of DREAM act.
My kind of DREAM act.
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at August 02, 2017 12:22 PM (MINbv)
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I can't even express here how I feel about them.
Posted by: Jane D'oh
I'm so with you Jane... It's like they are doing everything in their power to get Trump out of there... Just waiting for President Pence...
Posted by: Jane D'oh
I'm so with you Jane... It's like they are doing everything in their power to get Trump out of there... Just waiting for President Pence...
Posted by: It's me donna at August 02, 2017 12:22 PM (O2RFr)
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Sources Say Trump Will Continue To Push Racist, Anti-Immigrant Agenda To Distract From Russia Collusion
Posted by: This...is CNN at August 02, 2017 12:22 PM (qJhUV)
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45 This is econ 101. Want to fix stagnation in wages? Tighten the size of the labor pool. Simple as that.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 12:21 PM (fA1SL)
The first wave of wage suppression was women. The second wave is immigrants, legal and illegal.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 12:21 PM (fA1SL)
The first wave of wage suppression was women. The second wave is immigrants, legal and illegal.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 02, 2017 12:22 PM (0mRoj)
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39
By my rough calculation about 3.5 billion of the 4.5 billion people on this planet would be better off if they were permitted to immigrate here. At which point *here* would be no better than where they came from.
So anything to keep *here* a model for the world to emulate is better than nothing.
Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at August 02, 2017 12:20 PM (EgwCt)
I can see a Bill Kristol/Matt Incontinetti-type using that to push "nation building."
By my rough calculation about 3.5 billion of the 4.5 billion people on this planet would be better off if they were permitted to immigrate here. At which point *here* would be no better than where they came from.
So anything to keep *here* a model for the world to emulate is better than nothing.
Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at August 02, 2017 12:20 PM (EgwCt)
I can see a Bill Kristol/Matt Incontinetti-type using that to push "nation building."
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:22 PM (mbhDw)
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They won't pass ANYTHING this year. Wait until they gauge public perception heading into the 2018 election cycle.
Posted by: Max Power at August 02, 2017 12:22 PM (QCc6B)
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I can see why True Cons (c) would find such an action as this deplorable. where are they going to get the indentured servitude the CoC and the tech industry demand?
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Find the Dark Linings in the Silver Clouds at the Outrage Outlet! at August 02, 2017 12:22 PM (hLRSq)
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53. Yep. Simple as that.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 12:22 PM (fA1SL)
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So anything to keep *here* a model for the world to emulate is better than nothing.
***
Another model is how you handle a plague when you have limited amounts of antidote. Do you allow everyone with the plague to come to a safe zone immediately? Or do you instead work with ravaged areas to get them to start making their own?
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Another model is how you handle a plague when you have limited amounts of antidote. Do you allow everyone with the plague to come to a safe zone immediately? Or do you instead work with ravaged areas to get them to start making their own?
Posted by: 18-1 at August 02, 2017 12:22 PM (eSx+E)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:23 PM (mbhDw)
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Reprehensible Assholes Indulging Senatorial Excess
Posted by: Insomniac at August 02, 2017 12:23 PM (0mRoj)
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Russian, Asian, and Israeli Sexies Excepted.
Posted by: josephistan at August 02, 2017 12:23 PM (7HtZB)
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>>A guy on Tucker last night wants to replace the entire white population of CA with immigrants than CALEXIT.
"Wants"?
Isn't that plan well underway?
And at that point, CALEXIT = Mexico
"Wants"?
Isn't that plan well underway?
And at that point, CALEXIT = Mexico
Posted by: Lizzy at August 02, 2017 12:23 PM (NOIQH)
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61. Seconded!
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 12:23 PM (fA1SL)
Posted by: bonhomme at August 02, 2017 12:24 PM (jhqr1)
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A guy on Tucker last night wants to replace the entire white population of CA with immigrants than CALEXIT.
***
I'd be onboard with CALEXIT right now. Sell them the southern half of CA and use it to build the wall.
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I'd be onboard with CALEXIT right now. Sell them the southern half of CA and use it to build the wall.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 02, 2017 12:24 PM (eSx+E)
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John McCain to heroically rise from his sickbed to oppose this in 5... 4... 3...
Posted by: junior at August 02, 2017 12:24 PM (Q6qiA)
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That's another problem the GOP has, they name bills with names that say what they mean.
RAISE. Exactly.
As opposed to Affordable Care Act.
RAISE. Exactly.
As opposed to Affordable Care Act.
Posted by: Diogenes at August 02, 2017 12:24 PM (0tfLf)
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"More than 50% of all immigrant households receive welfare benefits"
&%@&∞§£¶¶™§*#$@& [inhales] fl‹€fi‹€%€$%#$#&!!!
&%@&∞§£¶¶™§*#$@& [inhales] fl‹€fi‹€%€$%#$#&!!!
Posted by: zombie at August 02, 2017 12:24 PM (DQ4Fv)
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A guy on Tucker last night wants to replace the entire white population of CA with immigrants than CALEXIT.
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 02, 2017 12:20 PM (Nwg0u)
When I was born here in the Central Valley... the COUNTY was 25% Hispanic... and the largest employers were farms, and Castle Air Force Base (SAC Base).
It is now 65% Hispanic... and the largest employer are the various PRISONS here.
Sounds like they have already started.
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 02, 2017 12:20 PM (Nwg0u)
When I was born here in the Central Valley... the COUNTY was 25% Hispanic... and the largest employers were farms, and Castle Air Force Base (SAC Base).
It is now 65% Hispanic... and the largest employer are the various PRISONS here.
Sounds like they have already started.
Posted by: Don Quixote, who loves Science..... but only for its mind at August 02, 2017 12:24 PM (NgKpN)
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Kryptonite! AAAAAAAAARRRGH! I'm melting!
Posted by: Super¡Jeb! at August 02, 2017 12:24 PM (xAvrH)
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24 We have a one party system now. The Dems and GOPe have joined forces.
I can't even express here how I feel about them.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 02, 2017 12:18 PM (PY9jH)
The benchmark is hatred. Go from there.
I can't even express here how I feel about them.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 02, 2017 12:18 PM (PY9jH)
The benchmark is hatred. Go from there.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:25 PM (mbhDw)
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"We're screwed, as usual."
Don't think so. Hillary isn't President. Midterms aren't that far off. Push-back to McCain's folly is going to scare even the Senators (like Alexander of TN) who think they are safe.
McCain helped Trump by killing a bad bill that Trump would have had to sign. At the same time he screwed every incumbent. Dems are seen as out-of-power and Repubs are seen as duplicitous.
Don't think so. Hillary isn't President. Midterms aren't that far off. Push-back to McCain's folly is going to scare even the Senators (like Alexander of TN) who think they are safe.
McCain helped Trump by killing a bad bill that Trump would have had to sign. At the same time he screwed every incumbent. Dems are seen as out-of-power and Repubs are seen as duplicitous.
Posted by: Mudd at August 02, 2017 12:25 PM (cfHE9)
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@65 I'd be onboard with CALEXIT right now. Sell them the southern half of CA and use it to build the wall.
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You'd prefer to keep the even more whacked out Bay Area?
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You'd prefer to keep the even more whacked out Bay Area?
Posted by: junior at August 02, 2017 12:25 PM (Q6qiA)
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So, instead of low-skilled American workers being undercut by immigrants with a comparable level of expertise, we'd have HIGH-skilled American workers being undercut by immigrants with a comparable level of expertise--in addition to them also being undercut by H1Bs with a comparable level of expertise.
Winning...?
Winning...?
Posted by: Big McLargehuge Mk I at August 02, 2017 12:25 PM (u9OP6)
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Victor Davis Hanson was on Tucker last night, and said near one upscale CA neighborhood there are several families of "immigrants" living under one roof. They do menial work in the area. And that's just the way our "betters" on the left want it.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 02, 2017 12:25 PM (PY9jH)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 02, 2017 12:25 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: RioBravo at August 02, 2017 12:25 PM (SsblQ)
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How soon before the MSM starts quoting the poem at the Statue of Liberty as if it were policy?
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They've already done that.
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They've already done that.
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at August 02, 2017 12:25 PM (X3eGm)
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I'm pretty sure the Uniparty rules are:
1. If America bombs someone, we must welcome all people from that nation live in the US and support them for life.
2. Slavery= unrestricted black immigration, with support for life
3. We bombed a Muslim country once, so we must let all Muslims in and support them for life.
4. Black people and brown people must be let in and supported for life. White and yellow people can FOAD.
Does that sound about right?
1. If America bombs someone, we must welcome all people from that nation live in the US and support them for life.
2. Slavery= unrestricted black immigration, with support for life
3. We bombed a Muslim country once, so we must let all Muslims in and support them for life.
4. Black people and brown people must be let in and supported for life. White and yellow people can FOAD.
Does that sound about right?
Posted by: shibumi at August 02, 2017 12:26 PM (aT+Bx)
80
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Posted by: zombie at August 02, 2017 12:24 PM (DQ4Fv)
If you just ended all welfare completely, this would not even be a problem.
Posted by: zombie at August 02, 2017 12:24 PM (DQ4Fv)
If you just ended all welfare completely, this would not even be a problem.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:26 PM (mbhDw)
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You know who is going to hate this?
Colleges.
They're not going to be able to pull in as many foreign students if there are not american jobs waiting for them.
Colleges.
They're not going to be able to pull in as many foreign students if there are not american jobs waiting for them.
Posted by: TexasDan at August 02, 2017 12:26 PM (yL25O)
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We have a one party system now. The Dems and GOPe have joined forces.
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Turns out the transnational elites and deep state pay better, for less work, then the private sector.
Also if you have any skeletons in your closet the deep state will keep them safe as long as you are useful to them....right Mr Hastert?
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Turns out the transnational elites and deep state pay better, for less work, then the private sector.
Also if you have any skeletons in your closet the deep state will keep them safe as long as you are useful to them....right Mr Hastert?
Posted by: 18-1 at August 02, 2017 12:26 PM (eSx+E)
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"Ends chain migration" - that's getting one person here and then using them to get the rest of their immediate and extended family in, too, right?
Posted by: Lizzy at August 02, 2017 12:26 PM (NOIQH)
84
I'm perfectly fine with a freeze on all immigration....for many, many, many years.
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at August 02, 2017 12:26 PM (X3eGm)
85
How soon before the MSM starts quoting the poem at the Statue of Liberty as if it were policy?
I can think of some Abraham Lincoln and Thomas Jefferson quotes that are very interesting.
I can think of some Abraham Lincoln and Thomas Jefferson quotes that are very interesting.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 02, 2017 12:26 PM (4ErVI)
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This is good for America so DC will oppose.
Posted by: MAGA at August 02, 2017 12:26 PM (N061T)
87
End birthright citizenship.
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at August 02, 2017 12:27 PM (X3eGm)
88
How about for every legal immigrant we deport two illegal aliens?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 02, 2017 12:27 PM (SRKgf)
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I'd be onboard with CALEXIT right now. Sell them the southern half of CA and use it to build the wall.
Move all of California's population to New Mexico and give them that instead. Excepting the population, California's pretty nice. New Mexico is a pit.
Move all of California's population to New Mexico and give them that instead. Excepting the population, California's pretty nice. New Mexico is a pit.
Posted by: bonhomme at August 02, 2017 12:27 PM (jhqr1)
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Hey, wait, I've been to southern Eritrea.
Kind of arid. Beautiful, in places, reminded me of Monument Valley, but no way millions of people could be supported/live there.
Oh - you were kidding.
Kind of arid. Beautiful, in places, reminded me of Monument Valley, but no way millions of people could be supported/live there.
Oh - you were kidding.
Posted by: rhomboid at August 02, 2017 12:27 PM (QDnY+)
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74. High-skill immigration is not a problem at the moment. And highly skilled immigration does not lead (or at least, not so quickly) to the destruction of civic order and whatever remains of our culture.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 12:27 PM (fA1SL)
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72 "We're screwed, as usual."
Don't think so. Hillary isn't President. Midterms aren't that far off. Push-back to McCain's folly is going to scare even the Senators (like Alexander of TN) who think they are safe.
McCain helped Trump by killing a bad bill that Trump would have had to sign. At the same time he screwed every incumbent. Dems are seen as out-of-power and Repubs are seen as duplicitous.
Posted by: Mudd at August 02, 2017 12:25 PM (cfHE9)
One problem remains: a GOP that will not vote on anything we or Trump want enacted.
Don't think so. Hillary isn't President. Midterms aren't that far off. Push-back to McCain's folly is going to scare even the Senators (like Alexander of TN) who think they are safe.
McCain helped Trump by killing a bad bill that Trump would have had to sign. At the same time he screwed every incumbent. Dems are seen as out-of-power and Repubs are seen as duplicitous.
Posted by: Mudd at August 02, 2017 12:25 PM (cfHE9)
One problem remains: a GOP that will not vote on anything we or Trump want enacted.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:27 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: Lizzy at August 02, 2017 12:27 PM (NOIQH)
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So, no more desnudas?
Posted by: Roland THTG at August 02, 2017 12:27 PM (QM5S2)
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How soon before the MSM starts quoting the poem at the Statue of Liberty as if it were policy?
Open borders does not mix with a luxurious, deluxe, womb-to-tomb welfare system.
It's says "huddled masses yearning to breathe free" - not "layabouts looking to live off the work of others, forever."
Open borders does not mix with a luxurious, deluxe, womb-to-tomb welfare system.
It's says "huddled masses yearning to breathe free" - not "layabouts looking to live off the work of others, forever."
Posted by: DocJ at August 02, 2017 12:27 PM (7bkOX)
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@39 By my rough calculation about 3.5 billion of the 4.5 billion people on this planet would be better off if they were permitted to immigrate here. At which point *here* would be no better than where they came from.
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At which point we could all pick up and move to one of the locations where "they" came from, and probably make it much better than the US would be at that point.
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At which point we could all pick up and move to one of the locations where "they" came from, and probably make it much better than the US would be at that point.
Posted by: junior at August 02, 2017 12:28 PM (Q6qiA)
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Liberal heads are going to explode as though they were shot point plank from a cannon....
Posted by: JoeF. at August 02, 2017 12:28 PM (7uYFy)
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NEIN! This is NOT acceptable! We will BURY you! Right after we blow you up!
Posted by: Caliph Merkel I at August 02, 2017 12:28 PM (xAvrH)
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93 >>End birthright citizenship.
YES
Posted by: Lizzy at August 02, 2017 12:27 PM (NOIQH)
14th Amendment. AS WRITTEN.
YES
Posted by: Lizzy at August 02, 2017 12:27 PM (NOIQH)
14th Amendment. AS WRITTEN.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:28 PM (mbhDw)
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It is good to force the GOPe to keep rejecting everything voters want, especially on some things that are over 60% support.
Many Democrat rank and file citizens understand the harm from cheap foreign labor. Even more understand that importing more welfare recipients cuts them like a knife, even those that are on welfare. The whole myth that all diversity/immigration is grand is another one of those "emperor has no clothes" kinda of things.
Establishment don't want to reject it directly, they want to scream racism or free trade ... whatever. But these are small steps, in the face of a huge DC Cartel that operates in the shadows. This at least exposes more hypocrisy.
Some can be done with a pen and a phone, but the GOPe DOES need to lose the house, replaced by immigration patriots (America First).
Many Democrat rank and file citizens understand the harm from cheap foreign labor. Even more understand that importing more welfare recipients cuts them like a knife, even those that are on welfare. The whole myth that all diversity/immigration is grand is another one of those "emperor has no clothes" kinda of things.
Establishment don't want to reject it directly, they want to scream racism or free trade ... whatever. But these are small steps, in the face of a huge DC Cartel that operates in the shadows. This at least exposes more hypocrisy.
Some can be done with a pen and a phone, but the GOPe DOES need to lose the house, replaced by immigration patriots (America First).
Posted by: illiniwek at August 02, 2017 12:28 PM (b+0FS)
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Pen and phone time
Posted by: MAC SOG at August 02, 2017 12:28 PM (QPdNE)
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Move all of California's population to New Mexico
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No. no. no. That is what Baja is for.
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No. no. no. That is what Baja is for.
Posted by: RioBravo at August 02, 2017 12:28 PM (SsblQ)
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We have a one party system now. The Dems and GOPe have joined forces.
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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable
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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable
Posted by: JFK at August 02, 2017 12:28 PM (eSx+E)
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64 Skills.... like making sammiches?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsiiIa6bs9I
Posted by: bonhomme at August 02, 2017 12:24 PM (jhqr1)
"I caught you a delicious bass."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsiiIa6bs9I
Posted by: bonhomme at August 02, 2017 12:24 PM (jhqr1)
"I caught you a delicious bass."
Posted by: joncelli, Ray of Freakin' Sunshine at August 02, 2017 12:28 PM (RD7QR)
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80 68
Posted by: zombie at August 02, 2017 12:24 PM (DQ4Fv)
If you just ended all welfare completely, this would not even be a problem.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:26 PM (mbhDw)
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If welfare was cut, a lot of problems would be solved.
Posted by: zombie at August 02, 2017 12:24 PM (DQ4Fv)
If you just ended all welfare completely, this would not even be a problem.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:26 PM (mbhDw)
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If welfare was cut, a lot of problems would be solved.
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at August 02, 2017 12:28 PM (X3eGm)
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61 Russian, Asian, and Israeli Sexies Excepted.
Posted by: josephistan
The Paolo-Melania Act:
Anyone, from any country, who is sexy and gorgeous, can immigrate to the US without restrictions.
Posted by: josephistan
The Paolo-Melania Act:
Anyone, from any country, who is sexy and gorgeous, can immigrate to the US without restrictions.
Posted by: zombie at August 02, 2017 12:28 PM (DQ4Fv)
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One problem remains: a GOP that will not vote on anything we or Trump want enacted.
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I feel that if Trump takes away the congressional obamacare subsidies, that they will suddenly figure out a way to make things work.
Do it Donnie Two Scoops.
DO.IT.
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I feel that if Trump takes away the congressional obamacare subsidies, that they will suddenly figure out a way to make things work.
Do it Donnie Two Scoops.
DO.IT.
Posted by: shibumi at August 02, 2017 12:28 PM (aT+Bx)
108
End birthright citizenship.
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at August 02, 2017 12:27 PM
I have some ideas on that subject...
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at August 02, 2017 12:27 PM
I have some ideas on that subject...
Posted by: Robert Heinlein at August 02, 2017 12:29 PM (5o4+K)
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17 a skill-based system
So get the Fed.gov as a referee in the which skills you know that mgt. doesn't want to pay for anymore directly rather than by industry.
Posted by: DaveA at August 02, 2017 12:16 PM (FhXTo)
It should be easy: do you have the skills that trigger the most H1-B visas? If so, welcome aboard. If not, take a hike.
So get the Fed.gov as a referee in the which skills you know that mgt. doesn't want to pay for anymore directly rather than by industry.
Posted by: DaveA at August 02, 2017 12:16 PM (FhXTo)
It should be easy: do you have the skills that trigger the most H1-B visas? If so, welcome aboard. If not, take a hike.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 02, 2017 12:29 PM (SRKgf)
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Oprima dos.
Posted by: Zod at August 02, 2017 12:29 PM (Bdeb0)
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106. Yep. Let's reverse the demographic decline the right way.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 12:29 PM (fA1SL)
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66 John McCain to heroically rise from his sickbed to oppose this in 5... 4... 3...
Posted by: junior at August 02, 2017 12:24 PM (Q6qiA)
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He wanted to build the dang wall. Maybe we can lay him to rest in its foundation.
Posted by: junior at August 02, 2017 12:24 PM (Q6qiA)
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He wanted to build the dang wall. Maybe we can lay him to rest in its foundation.
Posted by: TexasDan at August 02, 2017 12:30 PM (yL25O)
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I have some ideas on that subject...
Posted by: Robert Heinlein at August 02, 2017 12:29 PM (5o4+K)
Your idea was awful and stupid.
Posted by: Robert Heinlein at August 02, 2017 12:29 PM (5o4+K)
Your idea was awful and stupid.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at August 02, 2017 12:30 PM (Tnhbr)
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How about for every legal immigrant we deport two illegal aliens?
Way ahead of you. First we change the legal definition of "deportation" to anytime an ICE officer looks askance at a brown person. Viola. 1,000,000,000 deportations last year.
Way ahead of you. First we change the legal definition of "deportation" to anytime an ICE officer looks askance at a brown person. Viola. 1,000,000,000 deportations last year.
Posted by: Obama at August 02, 2017 12:30 PM (jhqr1)
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will reduce poverty, increase wages and save taxpayers billions and billions of dollars."
It will put two chickens in every pot and a fine brace of matching stallions in every carriage house with footmen and a subsidy for uniforms.
No more footmen in miss matched uniforms!
We have standards!
and save us from the next asteroid impact.
and generate billions and billions of new revenue which the Federal government will use to retire outstanding debt.
and raise interest rates on savings accounts
and put an end to long check out lines at the grocery
and save us from global warming
but to accomplish all of this we need your support. Make a donation to the GOPe this afternoon. Do not delay. We need your money.
It will put two chickens in every pot and a fine brace of matching stallions in every carriage house with footmen and a subsidy for uniforms.
No more footmen in miss matched uniforms!
We have standards!
and save us from the next asteroid impact.
and generate billions and billions of new revenue which the Federal government will use to retire outstanding debt.
and raise interest rates on savings accounts
and put an end to long check out lines at the grocery
and save us from global warming
but to accomplish all of this we need your support. Make a donation to the GOPe this afternoon. Do not delay. We need your money.
Posted by: Abaddon Maximus Lee at August 02, 2017 12:30 PM (m9X4Y)
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End birthright citizenship.
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at August 02, 2017 12:27 PM
This.
You're an American if you have at least one parent who is an American citizen. If not, not.
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at August 02, 2017 12:27 PM
This.
You're an American if you have at least one parent who is an American citizen. If not, not.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 02, 2017 12:30 PM (SRKgf)
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@106 The Paolo-Melania Act:
Anyone, from any country, who is sexy and gorgeous, can immigrate to the US without restrictions.
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I volunteer as a judge to determine which women are gorgeous!
Anyone, from any country, who is sexy and gorgeous, can immigrate to the US without restrictions.
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I volunteer as a judge to determine which women are gorgeous!
Posted by: junior at August 02, 2017 12:30 PM (Q6qiA)
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How soon before the MSM starts quoting the poem at the Statue of Liberty as if it were policy?
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 02, 2017 12:26 PM (4ErVI)
This always got under my skin. It was a few words by a commie poet that sounded nice at the time. It wasn't in the Constitution.
Think of it as a 19th century tweet. And we all know "tweets are not policy", right?
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 02, 2017 12:26 PM (4ErVI)
This always got under my skin. It was a few words by a commie poet that sounded nice at the time. It wasn't in the Constitution.
Think of it as a 19th century tweet. And we all know "tweets are not policy", right?
Posted by: JoeF. at August 02, 2017 12:30 PM (7uYFy)
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Russian, Asian, and Israeli Sexies Excepted.
Posted by: josephistan
The Paolo-Melania Act:
Anyone, from any country, who is sexy and gorgeous, can immigrate to the US without restrictions.
Posted by: zombie at August 02, 2017 12:28 PM (DQ4Fv)
I support this. Screw the wretched refuse, we want your hotties.
Posted by: josephistan
The Paolo-Melania Act:
Anyone, from any country, who is sexy and gorgeous, can immigrate to the US without restrictions.
Posted by: zombie at August 02, 2017 12:28 PM (DQ4Fv)
I support this. Screw the wretched refuse, we want your hotties.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 02, 2017 12:30 PM (3OIiX)
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11 I hereby predict every leftist on the planet from now until eternity will call this the RAISE-ist act.
Can I get a witness?
Posted by: bonhomme at August 02, 2017 12:16 PM (jhqr1)
I guarantee my dKos "breaking" emails this afternoon will call it that.
What? I like to know what, and how, the opposition is thinking.
Can I get a witness?
Posted by: bonhomme at August 02, 2017 12:16 PM (jhqr1)
I guarantee my dKos "breaking" emails this afternoon will call it that.
What? I like to know what, and how, the opposition is thinking.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at August 02, 2017 12:31 PM (17QyB)
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Is Trump implying that a bunch of semi-literate Third World peasants is not a recipe for a strong high-tech economy?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 02, 2017 12:31 PM (SRKgf)
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Trump is continuing to keep the votes of blue collar workers or as Dems call them: xenophobic racists.
Trump is continuing to keep the votes of blue collar workers or as Dems call them: xenophobic racists.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 02, 2017 12:31 PM (r+sAi)
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Look for the GOPe to f it up.
Posted by: ejo at August 02, 2017 12:32 PM (z1MNB)
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How soon before the MSM starts quoting the poem at the Statue of Liberty as if it were policy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALE6ENavvJQ
How soon before the MSM starts quoting the poem at the Statue of Liberty as if it were policy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALE6ENavvJQ
Posted by: tu3031 at August 02, 2017 12:32 PM (qJhUV)
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The only reason you give welfare to immigrants is for them to be beholden to Sportin' Live Democrat Party forever.
The only reason you give welfare to immigrants is for them to be beholden to Sportin' Live Democrat Party forever.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:32 PM (mbhDw)
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Your idea was awful and stupid.
What? We're talking about military service making you a citizen, right?
If we end birthright citizenship, what do you suggest?
What? We're talking about military service making you a citizen, right?
If we end birthright citizenship, what do you suggest?
Posted by: bonhomme at August 02, 2017 12:33 PM (jhqr1)
127
Sportin' LIFE.
Sportin' LIFE.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:33 PM (mbhDw)
128
This is my hill to die on, if Republicans keep going in the direction of open borders because "free market" than I'm done with them.
Posted by: Maritime at August 02, 2017 12:33 PM (ycAdZ)
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End birthright citizenship.
Posted by: Bicentennialguy
In addidition, don't just grant citizenship. Make it at a probationary period that lasts several years.
Once the Tsarnaevs were discovered to have terrorist ties, their citizenships should have been nullified. They became citizens under false pretenses.
Posted by: Bicentennialguy
In addidition, don't just grant citizenship. Make it at a probationary period that lasts several years.
Once the Tsarnaevs were discovered to have terrorist ties, their citizenships should have been nullified. They became citizens under false pretenses.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at August 02, 2017 12:33 PM (xAvrH)
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I support this. Screw the wretched refuse, we want your hotties.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 02, 2017 12:30 PM (3OIiX)
No way. The words on the Statue of Liberty, that's like a contract man. You can't break that. It's chiseled in stone like Noah and the 10 commandments man.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 02, 2017 12:30 PM (3OIiX)
No way. The words on the Statue of Liberty, that's like a contract man. You can't break that. It's chiseled in stone like Noah and the 10 commandments man.
Posted by: Completely, Utterly Clueless Leftist! at August 02, 2017 12:33 PM (EgwCt)
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At which point we could all pick up and move to one of the locations where "they" came from, and probably make it much better than the US would be at that point.
Posted by: junior at August 02, 2017 12:28 PM (Q6qiA)
Cool. We could play planetary whack-a-mole.
Posted by: junior at August 02, 2017 12:28 PM (Q6qiA)
Cool. We could play planetary whack-a-mole.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 02, 2017 12:34 PM (SRKgf)
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Make them filibuster it. Sure, the GOP will blow it on the messaging, but it will be funny. Then, offer to trade legalization for DREAMers, which Dems want but not badly enough to stop importing more Democrats.
Downside: Fewer foreign hookers = higher prices at the pump.
Downside: Fewer foreign hookers = higher prices at the pump.
Posted by: spongeworthy at August 02, 2017 12:34 PM (K/9da)
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128 This is my hill to die on, if Republicans keep going in the direction of open borders because "free market" than I'm done with them.
Posted by: Maritime at August 02, 2017 12:33 PM (ycAdZ)
They died for me when Boehner pronounced Obama won and we have to suck it up.
Posted by: Maritime at August 02, 2017 12:33 PM (ycAdZ)
They died for me when Boehner pronounced Obama won and we have to suck it up.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:34 PM (mbhDw)
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If we end birthright citizenship, what do you suggest?
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If one or both of your parents is a citizen, good to go. If your mama crossed illegally and squatted you out in the Arizona desert, um, no.
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If one or both of your parents is a citizen, good to go. If your mama crossed illegally and squatted you out in the Arizona desert, um, no.
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at August 02, 2017 12:34 PM (X3eGm)
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High-skill immigration is not a problem at the moment.
Purchasers of a skill never have a problem with owners of that skill getting undercut do they?
Let's import the Venezuelan Politicians that Maduro just benched. They need work and obviously have more fight than the GOPe.
Purchasers of a skill never have a problem with owners of that skill getting undercut do they?
Let's import the Venezuelan Politicians that Maduro just benched. They need work and obviously have more fight than the GOPe.
Posted by: DaveA at August 02, 2017 12:35 PM (FhXTo)
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Mudd with some rarely heard wisdom on the O-care situation. But the problem is comprehensive. Trump signaled from the outset that he'd sign anything put in front of him (kind of Obama's approach, in reverse - he obviously barely even understood what any of it was about, and would have signed anything the Hill Dems put in from of him).
Problem is that there's a perfect confluence of varying stakes in the O-care fight: for most people it's an abstraction, they get tax-subsidized and otherwise favored insurance through employment.
The substantial minority (around 15%) in the individual market have been wiped out - easily the biggest and most widespread hit any substantial number of Americans have taken, directly and instantly, from federal policy, in our history. But they are invisible, and paradoxically politically simply ignored.
The welfare cases actually on O-care policies are a small group, surely smaller than the individual market victims, many of who have refugee'd over to O-care policies when their income numbers are right.
The new Medicaid recipients are the largest "beneficiary" group, their political clout is dubious, but governors and others are desperate not to be seen cutting one cent from this group, even if the program has been shown to have little benefit.
A mess that only a strong and clear presidential preference and approach could have any hope of sorting out, and that hasn't happened. Letting things fall apart is a distant 2nd best option, we can only hope Trump actually will stick to his guns on that.
Problem is that there's a perfect confluence of varying stakes in the O-care fight: for most people it's an abstraction, they get tax-subsidized and otherwise favored insurance through employment.
The substantial minority (around 15%) in the individual market have been wiped out - easily the biggest and most widespread hit any substantial number of Americans have taken, directly and instantly, from federal policy, in our history. But they are invisible, and paradoxically politically simply ignored.
The welfare cases actually on O-care policies are a small group, surely smaller than the individual market victims, many of who have refugee'd over to O-care policies when their income numbers are right.
The new Medicaid recipients are the largest "beneficiary" group, their political clout is dubious, but governors and others are desperate not to be seen cutting one cent from this group, even if the program has been shown to have little benefit.
A mess that only a strong and clear presidential preference and approach could have any hope of sorting out, and that hasn't happened. Letting things fall apart is a distant 2nd best option, we can only hope Trump actually will stick to his guns on that.
Posted by: rhomboid at August 02, 2017 12:35 PM (QDnY+)
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I don't understand how this Law would serve the eternal and sacred purpose of American immigration in replacing the old stale white native population, electing a new people to ensure the hegemony of the Democratic Party, and providing cut-rate labor for the international capital class.
It's going to have a hard time getting out of committee, isn't it?
It's going to have a hard time getting out of committee, isn't it?
Posted by: Alec Leamas at August 02, 2017 12:35 PM (NrdxS)
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I think halving immigration is just stupid, the nation is clearly able to absorb more than the current legal rate. Its obvious we have too many coming in the country right now, but not by a huge margin.
But its obvious that America should take in immigrants only who better the country and represent a positive influence. I get the whole "the country was formed by immigration yadda yadda." That's all true, but after a certain point we have to slow down the tap because of limited space and resources.
For the life of me I'll never work my brain around the same people crying in fear of overpopulation wanting more and more people crammed into a given area.
But its obvious that America should take in immigrants only who better the country and represent a positive influence. I get the whole "the country was formed by immigration yadda yadda." That's all true, but after a certain point we have to slow down the tap because of limited space and resources.
For the life of me I'll never work my brain around the same people crying in fear of overpopulation wanting more and more people crammed into a given area.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 02, 2017 12:36 PM (39g3+)
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High-skill immigration is not a problem at the moment.
Said no outsourced Disney IT employees ever.
Said no outsourced Disney IT employees ever.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 02, 2017 12:36 PM (jxbfJ)
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129 End birthright citizenship.
Posted by: Bicentennialguy
In addidition, don't just grant citizenship. Make it at a probationary period that lasts several years.
Once the Tsarnaevs were discovered to have terrorist ties, their citizenships should have been nullified. They became citizens under false pretenses.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at August 02, 2017 12:33 PM (xAvrH)
End the Supreme Court imposed DUAL Citizenship....
They clearly overstepped their Constitutional bounds when they said we HAD to accept Dual Citizenship in 1965.
Posted by: Bicentennialguy
In addidition, don't just grant citizenship. Make it at a probationary period that lasts several years.
Once the Tsarnaevs were discovered to have terrorist ties, their citizenships should have been nullified. They became citizens under false pretenses.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at August 02, 2017 12:33 PM (xAvrH)
End the Supreme Court imposed DUAL Citizenship....
They clearly overstepped their Constitutional bounds when they said we HAD to accept Dual Citizenship in 1965.
Posted by: Don Quixote, who loves Science..... but only for its mind at August 02, 2017 12:36 PM (NgKpN)
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If one or both of your parents is a citizen, good to go. If your mama crossed illegally and squatted you out in the Arizona desert, um, no.
But, that's birthright citizenship.
But, that's birthright citizenship.
Posted by: bonhomme at August 02, 2017 12:36 PM (jhqr1)
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There already is a "hot model" visa program. For real. They have their own subcategory of H1-B. Now, there is an "O-1" category which is for famous people and those of great ability.
And ssshhhh. Keep quiet about the hottie visas. The femiNazis won't like it.....
There already is a "hot model" visa program. For real. They have their own subcategory of H1-B. Now, there is an "O-1" category which is for famous people and those of great ability.
And ssshhhh. Keep quiet about the hottie visas. The femiNazis won't like it.....
Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at August 02, 2017 12:36 PM (8O3HH)
Posted by: Cicero Boom chicka boom Kaboom! Kid at August 02, 2017 12:36 PM (LjG7N)
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135. Heh.....it's not a half-bad idea. In general, people who've survived regimes 'on the right side of history' tend to be pretty based. We could so worse.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 12:37 PM (fA1SL)
145
Nothing is going to get done in regular order. PDT has to figure a way around this and frankly, I don't see how.
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I like what Laura Ingraham was saying on her program this morning. The president needs to go straight to the American people, rallies, speeches, roadshow-style, and lay this out so that everyone knows why this must happen. Go into black communities, speak of the harm that's been done through mass immigration. Leave the confines of Twitter and really reach out. He's proven himself to be the king of sales when it comes to populist themes, and he can do this. Turn the pressure on Congress to do what's right by the American people.
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I like what Laura Ingraham was saying on her program this morning. The president needs to go straight to the American people, rallies, speeches, roadshow-style, and lay this out so that everyone knows why this must happen. Go into black communities, speak of the harm that's been done through mass immigration. Leave the confines of Twitter and really reach out. He's proven himself to be the king of sales when it comes to populist themes, and he can do this. Turn the pressure on Congress to do what's right by the American people.
Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at August 02, 2017 12:37 PM (mQ0Mc)
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How about: if it is discovered that a woman failed to report a rape or robbery by an illegal because she was afraid he'd be deported, revoke her privilege to vote in any sort of election, federal, state or local, forever.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at August 02, 2017 12:37 PM (xAvrH)
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I don't necessarily want to end ALL immigration. I just want top-tier immigrants who want to come here to work--not avail themselves of free shit or join gangs and commit crime---and to learn the language, culture and history of the United States.
This used to be a built-in requirement.
This used to be a built-in requirement.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 02, 2017 12:37 PM (7uYFy)
148
One problem remains: a GOP that will not vote on anything we or Trump want enacted.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:27 PM (mbhDw)
Makes it real easy in my state for Kid Rock to ask Dummy Stabenow why she hates working class Michiganders. I do not see a downside to this.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:27 PM (mbhDw)
Makes it real easy in my state for Kid Rock to ask Dummy Stabenow why she hates working class Michiganders. I do not see a downside to this.
Posted by: F.N.G. at August 02, 2017 12:38 PM (R2udQ)
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>>> How soon before the MSM starts quoting the poem at the Statue of Liberty as if it were policy?
I'm ok with yearning to breathe freely.
We need to eradicate the notion of come and live for free.
I'm ok with yearning to breathe freely.
We need to eradicate the notion of come and live for free.
Posted by: fluffy at August 02, 2017 12:38 PM (jw2Xw)
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139. Not to be technical, but those are on visas - they're non-immigrants.
That said, those programs need heap-big tightening.
That said, those programs need heap-big tightening.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 12:38 PM (fA1SL)
151
The average IQ in the US is now 99, rather than 100, the original value to which the test was normalized.
Now something has dragged down the average ...
Now something has dragged down the average ...
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 02, 2017 12:38 PM (SRKgf)
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120 . . . I guarantee my dKos "breaking" emails this afternoon will call it that.
What? I like to know what, and how, the opposition is thinking.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer
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If I weren't so damned lazy, I'd check out moveon.org and see what my state senator has posted there lately.
He's a Republican. Why do you ask?
No. I'm from a "deep red state" according to the national media. Why do you ask?
What? I like to know what, and how, the opposition is thinking.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer
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If I weren't so damned lazy, I'd check out moveon.org and see what my state senator has posted there lately.
He's a Republican. Why do you ask?
No. I'm from a "deep red state" according to the national media. Why do you ask?
Posted by: Furious George at August 02, 2017 12:38 PM (j+dfT)
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If welfare was cut, a lot of problems would be solved.
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at August 02, 2017 12:28 PM (X3eGm)
After you put down the riots, maybe. As long as they can still vote it isn't happening.
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at August 02, 2017 12:28 PM (X3eGm)
After you put down the riots, maybe. As long as they can still vote it isn't happening.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 02, 2017 12:39 PM (4ErVI)
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139 High-skill immigration is not a problem at the moment.
Said no outsourced Disney IT employees ever.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 02, 2017 12:36 PM (jxbfJ)
When I retired from the Navy, the average Network Engineer made $67K per year.
20 years later, the average Network Engineer makes???? $67 K per year.... now... that raw dollars... so with 3% inflation per year between then and now? to keep LEVEL in buying power, they should be making $95K plus.
WHY????? H1Bs.
Said no outsourced Disney IT employees ever.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 02, 2017 12:36 PM (jxbfJ)
When I retired from the Navy, the average Network Engineer made $67K per year.
20 years later, the average Network Engineer makes???? $67 K per year.... now... that raw dollars... so with 3% inflation per year between then and now? to keep LEVEL in buying power, they should be making $95K plus.
WHY????? H1Bs.
Posted by: Don Quixote, who loves Science..... but only for its mind at August 02, 2017 12:39 PM (NgKpN)
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145 Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at August 02, 2017 12:37 PM (mQ0Mc)
The question is how many times can PDT hold mass rallies in an attempt to twist the arms of the GOP? I don't see that as effective in the legislation-enacting sense.
Long term, he needs to start a party, raise the billions and destroy the GOP electorally.
The question is how many times can PDT hold mass rallies in an attempt to twist the arms of the GOP? I don't see that as effective in the legislation-enacting sense.
Long term, he needs to start a party, raise the billions and destroy the GOP electorally.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:39 PM (mbhDw)
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"I caught you a delicious bass."
It took me like three hours to finish the shading on your upper lip. It's probably the best drawing I've ever done.
It took me like three hours to finish the shading on your upper lip. It's probably the best drawing I've ever done.
Posted by: bonhomme at August 02, 2017 12:39 PM (jhqr1)
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That eeeevil Trump is proposing un-conservative things that stink of isolationism and nativism! We need an archly conservative voice of unimpeachable credentials to oppose him, someone like Tom Cott... oh wait.
-Jeff Flake
-Jeff Flake
Posted by: Sporkatus at August 02, 2017 12:39 PM (eXSOZ)
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Now something has dragged down the average ...
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 02, 2017 12:38 PM (SRKgf)
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Fluoridation !
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 02, 2017 12:38 PM (SRKgf)
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Fluoridation !
Posted by: RioBravo at August 02, 2017 12:39 PM (SsblQ)
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"RAISE" stands for "Reforming American Immigration for a Strong Economy."
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Acronyms that didn't make the cut:
1. Foreign Undocumented Comprehensive Knowledge Entry Reform (FUCKER)
2. Reinvigorating America Progressive Enterprise(RAPE)
3. People Realizing Immigration Compels Kindness (PRICK)
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Acronyms that didn't make the cut:
1. Foreign Undocumented Comprehensive Knowledge Entry Reform (FUCKER)
2. Reinvigorating America Progressive Enterprise(RAPE)
3. People Realizing Immigration Compels Kindness (PRICK)
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at August 02, 2017 12:40 PM (4AVeu)
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148 One problem remains: a GOP that will not vote on anything we or Trump want enacted.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:27 PM (mbhDw)
Makes it real easy in my state for Kid Rock to ask Dummy Stabenow why she hates working class Michiganders. I do not see a downside to this.
Posted by: F.N.G. at August 02, 2017 12:38 PM (R2udQ)
Well, there really is no downside necessarily in the longterm. See my comment at 155 for elucidation.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:27 PM (mbhDw)
Makes it real easy in my state for Kid Rock to ask Dummy Stabenow why she hates working class Michiganders. I do not see a downside to this.
Posted by: F.N.G. at August 02, 2017 12:38 PM (R2udQ)
Well, there really is no downside necessarily in the longterm. See my comment at 155 for elucidation.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:40 PM (mbhDw)
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Why is it that all "conversations" begin with, "Because 'Shut up!', that's why!"
Why is it that all "conversations" begin with, "Because 'Shut up!', that's why!"
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 02, 2017 12:40 PM (pNxlR)
Posted by: Imran Arwan: Pockeestawni IT Expert at August 02, 2017 12:41 PM (qJhUV)
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The question is how many times can PDT hold mass rallies in an attempt to twist the arms of the GOP? I don't see that as effective in the legislation-enacting sense.
Long term, he needs to start a party, raise the billions and destroy the GOP electorally.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:39 PM (mbhDw)
He needs to go on TV and explain in honest, plain language what he's up against without sounding like he's whining.
Rallies are fine, but he should lay off them right now...
Long term, he needs to start a party, raise the billions and destroy the GOP electorally.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:39 PM (mbhDw)
He needs to go on TV and explain in honest, plain language what he's up against without sounding like he's whining.
Rallies are fine, but he should lay off them right now...
Posted by: JoeF. at August 02, 2017 12:41 PM (7uYFy)
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161
Why is it that all "conversations" begin with, "Because 'Shut up!', that's why!"
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 02, 2017 12:40 PM (pNxlR)
With Leftists, it's begin and end.
Why is it that all "conversations" begin with, "Because 'Shut up!', that's why!"
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 02, 2017 12:40 PM (pNxlR)
With Leftists, it's begin and end.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:41 PM (mbhDw)
165
The average IQ in the US is now 99, rather than 100, the original value to which the test was normalized.
Now something has dragged down the average ...
Oh damn. Bringing out the big guns.
Now something has dragged down the average ...
Oh damn. Bringing out the big guns.
Posted by: bonhomme at August 02, 2017 12:41 PM (jhqr1)
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Immigration draft.
Each state gets to pick 1,000 Aztecs a year to immigrate/import, for a one-year draft (that mulch ain't gonna spread itself). A departure/death creates a slot. States can "trade" immigrants to satisfy situational needs, but the ceiling, once reached, imposes a moratorium. Not unlike sports drafts, the younger models will produce more taxable labor, and will naturally be more desirable; if you're middle-aged, you'd better have some game. States could "compete" for a Federal prize by showcasing a matrix of statistics--lowest immigrant crime, per capita production, coolest uniforms, etc.
Details to follow.
Each state gets to pick 1,000 Aztecs a year to immigrate/import, for a one-year draft (that mulch ain't gonna spread itself). A departure/death creates a slot. States can "trade" immigrants to satisfy situational needs, but the ceiling, once reached, imposes a moratorium. Not unlike sports drafts, the younger models will produce more taxable labor, and will naturally be more desirable; if you're middle-aged, you'd better have some game. States could "compete" for a Federal prize by showcasing a matrix of statistics--lowest immigrant crime, per capita production, coolest uniforms, etc.
Details to follow.
Posted by: Zod at August 02, 2017 12:41 PM (Bdeb0)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 12:41 PM (fA1SL)
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High-skill immigration is not a problem at the moment.
Said no outsourced Disney IT employees ever.
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Yeah, well, at least they got replaced by a human.
I lost one of my jobs a few years ago to automation.
Said no outsourced Disney IT employees ever.
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Yeah, well, at least they got replaced by a human.
I lost one of my jobs a few years ago to automation.
Posted by: shibumi at August 02, 2017 12:42 PM (aT+Bx)
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"It is now 65% Hispanic... and the largest employer are the various PRISONS here.
Sounds like they have already started.
Posted by: Don Quixote
The bigger farms I imagine mostly procure the H1-B/A visas, but there are whole communities that come along and have a gray/black market separate social network that is exempt from all sorts of laws (polluting/trashing/selling roadside with no licenses, still get welfare, health care). And shoot, the weather is great. Such a deal.
Trump needs a series of five minute videos very well done, like Prager Institute puts together (but with a higher budget, broader range of experts). TED Talks are popular, and people can handle short segments that would be more effective than fuzzy tweets (though the tweet could be like the pre-bombardment for the offensive ... ha)
Have some wonks put together "red pill" pieces that make strong pointed argument, and skewer on PC Myth after another. They need a military style offensive plan on "winning hearts and minds" of the blue pill American.
Sounds like they have already started.
Posted by: Don Quixote
The bigger farms I imagine mostly procure the H1-B/A visas, but there are whole communities that come along and have a gray/black market separate social network that is exempt from all sorts of laws (polluting/trashing/selling roadside with no licenses, still get welfare, health care). And shoot, the weather is great. Such a deal.
Trump needs a series of five minute videos very well done, like Prager Institute puts together (but with a higher budget, broader range of experts). TED Talks are popular, and people can handle short segments that would be more effective than fuzzy tweets (though the tweet could be like the pre-bombardment for the offensive ... ha)
Have some wonks put together "red pill" pieces that make strong pointed argument, and skewer on PC Myth after another. They need a military style offensive plan on "winning hearts and minds" of the blue pill American.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 02, 2017 12:43 PM (b+0FS)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:43 PM (mbhDw)
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The average IQ in the US is now 99, rather than 100, the original value to which the test was normalized.
Now something has dragged down the average ...
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Ya'll are acting like that isn't part of a plan.
A stupid populace is easier to control than a smart populace.
However... the real issue is all those guns. They're more of an issue than smart people.
Now something has dragged down the average ...
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Ya'll are acting like that isn't part of a plan.
A stupid populace is easier to control than a smart populace.
However... the real issue is all those guns. They're more of an issue than smart people.
Posted by: shibumi at August 02, 2017 12:43 PM (aT+Bx)
Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at August 02, 2017 12:43 PM (nFwvY)
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I definitely want these people on the record so we know.
So when someone like Jeff Flake joins a filibuster, he'll have to explain that to Republican primary voters.
Trump has pulled the mask off a whole lot of people pretending to be conservative.
So when someone like Jeff Flake joins a filibuster, he'll have to explain that to Republican primary voters.
Trump has pulled the mask off a whole lot of people pretending to be conservative.
Posted by: Maritime at August 02, 2017 12:43 PM (ycAdZ)
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No way. The words on the Statue of Liberty, that's like a contract man. You can't break that. It's chiseled in stone like Noah and the 10 commandments man.
Posted by: Completely, Utterly Clueless Leftist! at August 02, 2017 12:33 PM (EgwCt)
It was written by a dead white guy, like, a hundred years ago, so it's now null and void, Bucky.
Posted by: Completely, Utterly Clueless Leftist! at August 02, 2017 12:33 PM (EgwCt)
It was written by a dead white guy, like, a hundred years ago, so it's now null and void, Bucky.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 02, 2017 12:44 PM (SRKgf)
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172. Also good.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 12:44 PM (fA1SL)
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172 Require All International Socialists to Emigrate
by helo
Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at August 02, 2017 12:43 PM (nFwvY)
Change Emigrate to Evaporate and you got a deal.
by helo
Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at August 02, 2017 12:43 PM (nFwvY)
Change Emigrate to Evaporate and you got a deal.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:44 PM (mbhDw)
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For the life of me I'll never work my brain around the same people crying in fear of overpopulation wanting more and more people crammed into a given area.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 02, 2017 12:36 PM (39g3+)
Simple answer: they don't want more people who could possibly oppose their policies and politicians. The icky Christians who have too many kids, the middle class suburbanites who teach their children how to be self sufficient and independent from the state apparatus. The house owners who drain the planet of its resources, evil!
Now, people who have collectivist policies, who can't make a living for themselves, who rely upon the state for their lives, these people are worth multiplying. They have no choice but to be obedient to their superior elites.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 02, 2017 12:36 PM (39g3+)
Simple answer: they don't want more people who could possibly oppose their policies and politicians. The icky Christians who have too many kids, the middle class suburbanites who teach their children how to be self sufficient and independent from the state apparatus. The house owners who drain the planet of its resources, evil!
Now, people who have collectivist policies, who can't make a living for themselves, who rely upon the state for their lives, these people are worth multiplying. They have no choice but to be obedient to their superior elites.
Posted by: Average Guy at August 02, 2017 12:44 PM (KqRop)
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@169 The bigger farms I imagine mostly procure the H1-B/A visas
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IIRC, farmworkers are H2B visas.
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IIRC, farmworkers are H2B visas.
Posted by: junior at August 02, 2017 12:44 PM (Q6qiA)
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91
74. High-skill immigration is not a problem at the moment. And highly
skilled immigration does not lead (or at least, not so quickly) to the
destruction of civic order and whatever remains of our culture.
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I don't think "high-skill" means literal nuclear physicists and rocket scientists, I think it means "guy with inscrutable accent and IT Certificate from Bangalore Tech who is used to a much lower standard of living and doesn't have the student loan debt service your kid does." In which case it's BS.
FWIW, Tech companies are very profitable because they don't have high overhead costs relative to other industries. What overhead they do have is labor costs. All we're doing is compounding the wealth of Tech Billionaires.
Yes, there is international competition in Tech (which is a legitimate consideration) but notice that they all like to be in the U.S. in any event to take advantage of our I.P. enforcement and Court system.
74. High-skill immigration is not a problem at the moment. And highly
skilled immigration does not lead (or at least, not so quickly) to the
destruction of civic order and whatever remains of our culture.
________________________________________
I don't think "high-skill" means literal nuclear physicists and rocket scientists, I think it means "guy with inscrutable accent and IT Certificate from Bangalore Tech who is used to a much lower standard of living and doesn't have the student loan debt service your kid does." In which case it's BS.
FWIW, Tech companies are very profitable because they don't have high overhead costs relative to other industries. What overhead they do have is labor costs. All we're doing is compounding the wealth of Tech Billionaires.
Yes, there is international competition in Tech (which is a legitimate consideration) but notice that they all like to be in the U.S. in any event to take advantage of our I.P. enforcement and Court system.
Posted by: Alec Leamas at August 02, 2017 12:44 PM (NrdxS)
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If you wacko birds think you can get this past us while we are distracted - you are sadly mistaken.
Posted by: Senator Johnmy MacBrainDead at August 02, 2017 12:44 PM (6R3xl)
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Long term, he needs to start a party, raise the billions and destroy the GOP electorally.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton
_________
He's not going to do that, I would be happy if he just started getting involved in primaries.
Like how about NOT endorsing McCain and Paul Ryan like he did last time around?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton
_________
He's not going to do that, I would be happy if he just started getting involved in primaries.
Like how about NOT endorsing McCain and Paul Ryan like he did last time around?
Posted by: Maritime at August 02, 2017 12:45 PM (ycAdZ)
182
Nothing is going to get done in regular order. PDT has to figure a way around this and frankly, I don't see how.
The People and the Deep State are playing chicken, whether they know it or not. It's down to who makes the move to outright war.
And make no mistake...that's what we're stumbling towards.
The People and the Deep State are playing chicken, whether they know it or not. It's down to who makes the move to outright war.
And make no mistake...that's what we're stumbling towards.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at August 02, 2017 12:45 PM (AM1GF)
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One reason that McStain's future bunkmate Teddy Kennedy has perhaps caused more damage to America than perhaps even Obama.
Hart-Celler Act of 1965.
One reason that McStain's future bunkmate Teddy Kennedy has perhaps caused more damage to America than perhaps even Obama.
Hart-Celler Act of 1965.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:45 PM (mbhDw)
184
David Perdue is one of the Senators from Georgia.
The South is gonna rise again!
The South is gonna rise again!
Posted by: ALH at August 02, 2017 12:45 PM (uLuPn)
185
Federal Immigration Reform and Enterprise Doctrine
Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at August 02, 2017 12:46 PM (rHJA1)
186
166 Immigration draft.
Each state gets to pick 1,000 Aztecs a year to immigrate/import, for a one-year draft (that mulch ain't gonna spread itself). A departure/death creates a slot. States can "trade" immigrants to satisfy situational needs, but the ceiling, once reached, imposes a moratorium. Not unlike sports drafts, the younger models will produce more taxable labor, and will naturally be more desirable; if you're middle-aged, you'd better have some game. States could "compete" for a Federal prize by showcasing a matrix of statistics--lowest immigrant crime, per capita production, coolest uniforms, etc.
Details to follow.
Posted by: Zod at August 02, 2017 12:41 PM (Bdeb0)
Cap and trade for immigration. I like it.
Each state gets to pick 1,000 Aztecs a year to immigrate/import, for a one-year draft (that mulch ain't gonna spread itself). A departure/death creates a slot. States can "trade" immigrants to satisfy situational needs, but the ceiling, once reached, imposes a moratorium. Not unlike sports drafts, the younger models will produce more taxable labor, and will naturally be more desirable; if you're middle-aged, you'd better have some game. States could "compete" for a Federal prize by showcasing a matrix of statistics--lowest immigrant crime, per capita production, coolest uniforms, etc.
Details to follow.
Posted by: Zod at August 02, 2017 12:41 PM (Bdeb0)
Cap and trade for immigration. I like it.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 02, 2017 12:46 PM (SRKgf)
187
High-skill immigration is not a problem at the moment.
Said no outsourced Disney IT employees ever.
I have co-workers who are H1-Bs. They are *terrified* every time there's an org change. If they lose their job they're back on a flight to India within a week.
H1-B is crap for everyone involved except the Execs.
Said no outsourced Disney IT employees ever.
I have co-workers who are H1-Bs. They are *terrified* every time there's an org change. If they lose their job they're back on a flight to India within a week.
H1-B is crap for everyone involved except the Execs.
Posted by: bonhomme at August 02, 2017 12:46 PM (jhqr1)
188
30% of American households receive welfare benefits? What do they define as a welfare benefit? If that's true we're already fucked.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at August 02, 2017 12:46 PM (UBzPO)
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185 Federal Immigration Reform and Enterprise Doctrine
_____________________________________
Dear Illegal Aliens,
You're. . .
_____________________________________
Dear Illegal Aliens,
You're. . .
Posted by: Donald Trump at August 02, 2017 12:47 PM (4AVeu)
190
Jeff Flake is up for reelection in 2018 . . . and a lot of Dem Senators who represent a lot of blue collar workers.
The real setting of primary challengers happens in the next few months, well before the actual announcements.
Where vulnerable issues are identified and funding is secured.
As the polls keep showing over and over: The voters blame Congress for nothing getting done--not Trump.
The timing is intentional . . . .
The real setting of primary challengers happens in the next few months, well before the actual announcements.
Where vulnerable issues are identified and funding is secured.
As the polls keep showing over and over: The voters blame Congress for nothing getting done--not Trump.
The timing is intentional . . . .
Posted by: RoyalOil at August 02, 2017 12:47 PM (W1XyZ)
191
Trump needs a series of five minute videos very well done, like Prager Institute puts together (but with a higher budget, broader range of experts). TED Talks are popular, and people can handle short segments that would be more effective than fuzzy tweets (though the tweet could be like the pre-bombardment for the offensive ... ha)
Have some wonks put together "red pill" pieces that make strong pointed argument, and skewer on PC Myth after another. They need a military style offensive plan on "winning hearts and minds" of the blue pill American.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 02, 2017 12:43 PM (b+0FS)
Great idea.
Have some wonks put together "red pill" pieces that make strong pointed argument, and skewer on PC Myth after another. They need a military style offensive plan on "winning hearts and minds" of the blue pill American.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 02, 2017 12:43 PM (b+0FS)
Great idea.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 02, 2017 12:48 PM (SRKgf)
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Posted by: illiniwek at August 02, 2017 12:43 PM (b+0FS)
Nope... this is not counting seasonal workers... this is straight Census data.
You can't get a normal job here unless you are bilingual. There is more Spanish spoken in Doctors offices, than English.
And its very easy to tell if people have only been in the US a short time... they don't know how the hell to drive... they don't know how to use a stupid Cash Card at a grocery store... they don't know how to order at a fast food joint...
But they are all somehow driving huge SUVs which are nicer than my Car...
/spits...
I was never anti immigrant, until I saw my Hometown morphed by ILLEGAL immigration....
Nope... this is not counting seasonal workers... this is straight Census data.
You can't get a normal job here unless you are bilingual. There is more Spanish spoken in Doctors offices, than English.
And its very easy to tell if people have only been in the US a short time... they don't know how the hell to drive... they don't know how to use a stupid Cash Card at a grocery store... they don't know how to order at a fast food joint...
But they are all somehow driving huge SUVs which are nicer than my Car...
/spits...
I was never anti immigrant, until I saw my Hometown morphed by ILLEGAL immigration....
Posted by: Don Quixote, who loves Science..... but only for its mind at August 02, 2017 12:48 PM (NgKpN)
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188 30% of American households receive welfare benefits? What do they define as a welfare benefit? If that's true we're already fucked.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at August 02, 2017 12:46 PM (UBzPO)
THIS.
Even my mother, of blessed memory, who was a highly intelligent, worldly and educated woman looked at Social Security as a birthright entitlement.
And that mentality is a tough nut to crack.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at August 02, 2017 12:46 PM (UBzPO)
THIS.
Even my mother, of blessed memory, who was a highly intelligent, worldly and educated woman looked at Social Security as a birthright entitlement.
And that mentality is a tough nut to crack.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:48 PM (mbhDw)
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I'm honestly even against "skilled" immigration. This idea that we won't be able to get anything done unless we have engineers that are paid at fast food wages is again something the oligarchs have foisted on us.
You look at colleges now it looks like Bangladesh. Think how many actual Americans are getting turned away to make room for them despite the fact they've paid taxes for an eternity that fund those schools.
You look at colleges now it looks like Bangladesh. Think how many actual Americans are getting turned away to make room for them despite the fact they've paid taxes for an eternity that fund those schools.
Posted by: Maritime at August 02, 2017 12:48 PM (ycAdZ)
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 02, 2017 12:48 PM (Nwg0u)
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163 The question is how many times can PDT hold mass rallies in an attempt to twist the arms of the GOP? I don't see that as effective in the legislation-enacting sense.
Long term, he needs to start a party, raise the billions and destroy the GOP electorally.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:39 PM (mbhDw)
He needs to go on TV and explain in honest, plain language what he's up against without sounding like he's whining.
Rallies are fine, but he should lay off them right now...
Posted by: JoeF. at August 02, 2017 12:41 PM (7uYFy)
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Nothing matters if the House and Senate march into the Capitol building and do their "thing" as we saw last week.
Long term, he needs to start a party, raise the billions and destroy the GOP electorally.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:39 PM (mbhDw)
He needs to go on TV and explain in honest, plain language what he's up against without sounding like he's whining.
Rallies are fine, but he should lay off them right now...
Posted by: JoeF. at August 02, 2017 12:41 PM (7uYFy)
+++
Nothing matters if the House and Senate march into the Capitol building and do their "thing" as we saw last week.
Posted by: washrivergal at August 02, 2017 12:48 PM (2+gSO)
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Special Congressional Reform Enabling Worldwide Economic Development.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at August 02, 2017 12:48 PM (AM1GF)
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Haven't checked into the details, but If they're talking about HB1 skilled workers, they've taken away jobs from Americans and we don't need more of that.
Plus the ag sector needs (or maybe just wants) cheap unskilled workers ,but ones who'll go home when the job is done. Our family is trying to catch up on rebuilding miles of fence and it's so expensive we're thinking of bringing in a legal Mexican crew for labor.
Plus the ag sector needs (or maybe just wants) cheap unskilled workers ,but ones who'll go home when the job is done. Our family is trying to catch up on rebuilding miles of fence and it's so expensive we're thinking of bringing in a legal Mexican crew for labor.
Posted by: stace at August 02, 2017 12:48 PM (7RvOV)
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If welfare was cut, a lot of problems would be solved.
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at August 02, 2017 12:28 PM (X3eGm)
After you put down the riots, maybe. As long as they can still vote it isn't happening.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis
No. Wrong. Their vote is irrelevant. They can vote for entitlements. Local governments can promise them. But if the rest of the country shuts off the spigot, it ain't happenning.
See: Greece.
See: Obamacare.
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at August 02, 2017 12:28 PM (X3eGm)
After you put down the riots, maybe. As long as they can still vote it isn't happening.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis
No. Wrong. Their vote is irrelevant. They can vote for entitlements. Local governments can promise them. But if the rest of the country shuts off the spigot, it ain't happenning.
See: Greece.
See: Obamacare.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at August 02, 2017 12:49 PM (xAvrH)
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196
Nothing matters if the House and Senate march into the Capitol building and do their "thing" as we saw last week.
Posted by: washrivergal at August 02, 2017 12:48 PM (2+gSO)
Well, there is ONE alternative and I will leave it to your imagination to figure it out.
Nothing matters if the House and Senate march into the Capitol building and do their "thing" as we saw last week.
Posted by: washrivergal at August 02, 2017 12:48 PM (2+gSO)
Well, there is ONE alternative and I will leave it to your imagination to figure it out.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:49 PM (mbhDw)
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191 Trump needs a series of five minute videos very well done, like Prager Institute puts together (but with a higher budget, broader range of experts). TED Talks are popular, and people can handle short segments that would be more effective than fuzzy tweets (though the tweet could be like the pre-bombardment for the offensive ... ha)
Have some wonks put together "red pill" pieces that make strong pointed argument, and skewer on PC Myth after another. They need a military style offensive plan on "winning hearts and minds" of the blue pill American.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 02, 2017 12:43 PM (b+0FS)
Great idea.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 02, 2017 12:48 PM (SRKgf)
The New Fireside Chats.
Have some wonks put together "red pill" pieces that make strong pointed argument, and skewer on PC Myth after another. They need a military style offensive plan on "winning hearts and minds" of the blue pill American.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 02, 2017 12:43 PM (b+0FS)
Great idea.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 02, 2017 12:48 PM (SRKgf)
The New Fireside Chats.
Posted by: Don Quixote, who loves Science..... but only for its mind at August 02, 2017 12:49 PM (NgKpN)
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For the life of me I'll never work my brain around the same people crying in fear of overpopulation wanting more and more people crammed into a given area.
Leftists are completely inconsistent in nearly all of their opinions. They'll go on and on about "environmental sustainability" if you let them; ask any one of them about the "sustainability" of US economic policy and suddenly "sustainability" isn't an issue.
Leftists are completely inconsistent in nearly all of their opinions. They'll go on and on about "environmental sustainability" if you let them; ask any one of them about the "sustainability" of US economic policy and suddenly "sustainability" isn't an issue.
Posted by: bonhomme at August 02, 2017 12:49 PM (jhqr1)
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my CAROUSEL Act would solve the government employee pension crisis toot sweet.
Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at August 02, 2017 12:50 PM (nFwvY)
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It's about time. I don't care that this won't pass the uniparty congress. We need to start having an honest discussion. Welfare and a higher tech economy make 2017 a completely different immigration dynamic than 1917.
Posted by: matty at August 02, 2017 12:50 PM (zQA40)
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201
The New Fireside Chats.
Posted by: Don Quixote, who loves Science..... but only for its mind at August 02, 2017 12:49 PM (NgKpN)
Fireside Tweets, eh?
The New Fireside Chats.
Posted by: Don Quixote, who loves Science..... but only for its mind at August 02, 2017 12:49 PM (NgKpN)
Fireside Tweets, eh?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:50 PM (mbhDw)
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203. Renew! Renew!
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 12:50 PM (fA1SL)
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198 Haven't checked into the details, but If they're talking about HB1 skilled workers, they've taken away jobs from Americans and we don't need more of that.
Plus the ag sector needs (or maybe just wants) cheap unskilled workers ,but ones who'll go home when the job is done. Our family is trying to catch up on rebuilding miles of fence and it's so expensive we're thinking of bringing in a legal Mexican crew for labor.
Posted by: stace at August 02, 2017 12:48 PM (7RvOV)
They INCREASED H1Bs this year.... didn't decrease....
Another little tidbit the MSM failed to talk about.. but the GOPe endorsed.
Plus the ag sector needs (or maybe just wants) cheap unskilled workers ,but ones who'll go home when the job is done. Our family is trying to catch up on rebuilding miles of fence and it's so expensive we're thinking of bringing in a legal Mexican crew for labor.
Posted by: stace at August 02, 2017 12:48 PM (7RvOV)
They INCREASED H1Bs this year.... didn't decrease....
Another little tidbit the MSM failed to talk about.. but the GOPe endorsed.
Posted by: Don Quixote, who loves Science..... but only for its mind at August 02, 2017 12:51 PM (NgKpN)
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chamber of commerce gonna go off like a north Korean missle
Posted by: simplemind at August 02, 2017 12:51 PM (gKBWm)
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Now something has dragged down the average ...
Yeah, a culture of contempt for learning, truth, and logic.
Yeah, a culture of contempt for learning, truth, and logic.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 02, 2017 12:51 PM (39g3+)
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Leftists want to bring in more leftists.That's why they love immigration.
Posted by: steevy at August 02, 2017 12:51 PM (rmVvL)
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Nothing matters if the House and Senate march into the Capitol building and do their "thing" as we saw last week.
Posted by: washrivergal
++++++
Unless some "deplorable" Republican Senators net some gains in the 2018 midterms, Congress is making sure Trump is essentially a lame duck.
All he can do now is Executive Orders. I would start with taking away Congress ObamaCare subsidies and cut the insurance payments for starters.
Then maybe rescind the Dreamer protection if he can't get his crackdown.
Posted by: washrivergal
++++++
Unless some "deplorable" Republican Senators net some gains in the 2018 midterms, Congress is making sure Trump is essentially a lame duck.
All he can do now is Executive Orders. I would start with taking away Congress ObamaCare subsidies and cut the insurance payments for starters.
Then maybe rescind the Dreamer protection if he can't get his crackdown.
Posted by: Maritime at August 02, 2017 12:51 PM (ycAdZ)
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210. Yep. Inverse Trotskyism. Importing the revolution.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 12:52 PM (fA1SL)
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Long term, he needs to start a party, raise the billions and destroy the GOP electorally.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:39 PM (mbhDw)
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Yeah, really good idea. Give the dems supermajorities in the house and senate. Nothing could possibly go wrong there, other than screw over the rest of the country that the dems don't have a hammer lock on...
I'd rather take what I call the "Hang an admiral" route: Target 2 or three rinos, and either beat them in the primaries or get the dem elected via voting 3rd party.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:39 PM (mbhDw)
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Yeah, really good idea. Give the dems supermajorities in the house and senate. Nothing could possibly go wrong there, other than screw over the rest of the country that the dems don't have a hammer lock on...
I'd rather take what I call the "Hang an admiral" route: Target 2 or three rinos, and either beat them in the primaries or get the dem elected via voting 3rd party.
Posted by: Jackal at August 02, 2017 12:52 PM (6p4lE)
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The average IQ in the US is now 99, rather than 100, the original value to which the test was normalized.
Now something has dragged down the average ...
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Damn congresscritters!
Now something has dragged down the average ...
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Damn congresscritters!
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 02, 2017 12:52 PM (Nwg0u)
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62 >>A guy on Tucker last night wants to replace the entire white population of CA with immigrants than CALEXIT.
"Wants"?
Isn't that plan well underway?
And at that point, CALEXIT = Mexico
Posted by: Lizzy at August 02, 2017 12:23 PM (NOIQH)
I marvel at La Raza wanting to take over and run things here. They're aware that Mexicans already HAVE a country, right? And it's a train wreck? What makes them think they'd do any better the second time around? There's nothing magical about the soil here; the difference is the people who run things.
"Wants"?
Isn't that plan well underway?
And at that point, CALEXIT = Mexico
Posted by: Lizzy at August 02, 2017 12:23 PM (NOIQH)
I marvel at La Raza wanting to take over and run things here. They're aware that Mexicans already HAVE a country, right? And it's a train wreck? What makes them think they'd do any better the second time around? There's nothing magical about the soil here; the difference is the people who run things.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 02, 2017 12:52 PM (SRKgf)
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Some immigrants assimilate to American culture.
Some don't.
Some immigrant groups assimilate very quickly.
Some assimilate very slowly.
Some never assimilate at all.
There's no way to "summarize" how immigrants integrate into US society, because there is such a wide variety of behaviors.
For example:
The Jews and Italians who arrive during the big immigration wave in the late 1800s at first, for at least two generations, lived in tightly segregated ghettos, where everyone spoke Yiddish or Italian and barely a word of English. It seemed even after 30 or 40 years that these groups would NEVER integrate. But eventually, they did - -even though it took about three or four generations.
But on the opposite coast, the Cantonese speakers coming from China to California during the Gold Rush have, to this day, only partly assimilated. yes, there are plenty of full Americanized Chinese-Americans descended from 19th-century immigrants -- but right now in 2017 you can go to areas of San Francisco or Oakland Chinatowns (among others) where people STILL speak Cantonese exclusively and neither understand nor speak English. It boggles the mind that this can be true, what with compulsory public schooling for over a century, but it is, Furthermore, they still live in their own cultural bubble and observe mainstream American culture from a distance with little interest or participation.
The upside is that there is almost nothing "toxic" about 19th-century Cantonese culture that survives, so their isolation isn't a problem for society at large. yes, there USED to be innumerable whorehouses with underage sex slaves in them all over Chinatown -- but those were shut down. No more foot-binding. Tongs (mafia-style gangs) have evolved into business associations. So in this isntance, non-assimilation is a curiosity, but not a social crisis.
HOWEVER, there ARE cultures where toxic customs still prevail. And whose members don't assimilate. And THAT is what alarms most Americans.
Female genital mutilation among immigrant communities from the Muslim part of Africa.
Criminal gangs controlling the entire underground economy from the streets of El Salvador.
Anti-democracy and medieval theocracy from the countries on Trump's "Muslim Ban" list.
Etc. etc. etc.
That's the non-econmic part of the equation that can;t be discussed in public. Because the left conflates our Cultural Chauvinism (i.e. the opinion that our culture is better than their cultures) with racism. When in fact it is not racism at all -- it's the desire to preserve what we perceive as a better culture form being overrun but toxic practices and ideologies.
/rant off
Some don't.
Some immigrant groups assimilate very quickly.
Some assimilate very slowly.
Some never assimilate at all.
There's no way to "summarize" how immigrants integrate into US society, because there is such a wide variety of behaviors.
For example:
The Jews and Italians who arrive during the big immigration wave in the late 1800s at first, for at least two generations, lived in tightly segregated ghettos, where everyone spoke Yiddish or Italian and barely a word of English. It seemed even after 30 or 40 years that these groups would NEVER integrate. But eventually, they did - -even though it took about three or four generations.
But on the opposite coast, the Cantonese speakers coming from China to California during the Gold Rush have, to this day, only partly assimilated. yes, there are plenty of full Americanized Chinese-Americans descended from 19th-century immigrants -- but right now in 2017 you can go to areas of San Francisco or Oakland Chinatowns (among others) where people STILL speak Cantonese exclusively and neither understand nor speak English. It boggles the mind that this can be true, what with compulsory public schooling for over a century, but it is, Furthermore, they still live in their own cultural bubble and observe mainstream American culture from a distance with little interest or participation.
The upside is that there is almost nothing "toxic" about 19th-century Cantonese culture that survives, so their isolation isn't a problem for society at large. yes, there USED to be innumerable whorehouses with underage sex slaves in them all over Chinatown -- but those were shut down. No more foot-binding. Tongs (mafia-style gangs) have evolved into business associations. So in this isntance, non-assimilation is a curiosity, but not a social crisis.
HOWEVER, there ARE cultures where toxic customs still prevail. And whose members don't assimilate. And THAT is what alarms most Americans.
Female genital mutilation among immigrant communities from the Muslim part of Africa.
Criminal gangs controlling the entire underground economy from the streets of El Salvador.
Anti-democracy and medieval theocracy from the countries on Trump's "Muslim Ban" list.
Etc. etc. etc.
That's the non-econmic part of the equation that can;t be discussed in public. Because the left conflates our Cultural Chauvinism (i.e. the opinion that our culture is better than their cultures) with racism. When in fact it is not racism at all -- it's the desire to preserve what we perceive as a better culture form being overrun but toxic practices and ideologies.
/rant off
Posted by: zombie at August 02, 2017 12:52 PM (DQ4Fv)
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Think of all Dems who have to vote against this.
And it was, what, less than 15 years ago the "Republican" and "conservative" President at the time was doing the exact opposite of Trump: Pushing _expanding_ immigration and amnesty.
And it was, what, less than 15 years ago the "Republican" and "conservative" President at the time was doing the exact opposite of Trump: Pushing _expanding_ immigration and amnesty.
Posted by: RoyalOil at August 02, 2017 12:52 PM (W1XyZ)
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Man arrested after pleasuring himself with a sex toy along a NJ highway
http://tinyurl.com/y8asz33p
http://tinyurl.com/y8asz33p
Posted by: McCool at August 02, 2017 12:52 PM (WXSv6)
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Trump needs to do some Oval Office chats directly to the American people.
By the way, I'm loving Sarah H. Sanders as press sec. She's doing an awesome job. I would have already taken a flamethrower to the entire press corp(se).
By the way, I'm loving Sarah H. Sanders as press sec. She's doing an awesome job. I would have already taken a flamethrower to the entire press corp(se).
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 02, 2017 12:52 PM (PY9jH)
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Even my mother, of blessed memory, who was a highly intelligent, worldly and educated woman looked at Social Security as a birthright entitlement.
And that mentality is a tough nut to crack.
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In defense of your sainted mother, SHE WAS TOLD IT WAS HER OWN MONEY. It was, they just spent it immediately.
And that mentality is a tough nut to crack.
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In defense of your sainted mother, SHE WAS TOLD IT WAS HER OWN MONEY. It was, they just spent it immediately.
Posted by: simplemind at August 02, 2017 12:53 PM (A5R2L)
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The only short-term approach with practical promise is indeed to target Dems and de facto-Dem GOPers with "hot button" issues, make them take a stand, and try to use their toxic votes to primary them (GOP) or defeat them in the general (Dems).
This is, um, the most basic political mechanics since forever. Hard to believe that whoever passes for a strategist at the WH didn't know, on Inauguration Day, that this was the real challenge ahead.
Of course GOP leadership fanatically opposes this, and will not cooperate much to make it happen (simple repeal amendments for O-care in the Senate were as close as we're going to get, probably, and those failed, and were invisible, and do not appear to have been done to use as clubs against the targets, esp. Dems).
This is the special evil of Continuing Resolutions (as susbstitutes for the entire regular order approps process). It is astonishing that this dodge has been used, for several cycles, to protect incumbents from politics.
Nothing the WH can do, directly, about this - apart from stating that any approps bill not done in regular order, and with a life-span of more than 10 days, will be vetoed. THAT would have been the smart thing to do, and within days of taking power. Having free-standing approps bills massively increases presidential leverage, and restores politics to politics.
This is, um, the most basic political mechanics since forever. Hard to believe that whoever passes for a strategist at the WH didn't know, on Inauguration Day, that this was the real challenge ahead.
Of course GOP leadership fanatically opposes this, and will not cooperate much to make it happen (simple repeal amendments for O-care in the Senate were as close as we're going to get, probably, and those failed, and were invisible, and do not appear to have been done to use as clubs against the targets, esp. Dems).
This is the special evil of Continuing Resolutions (as susbstitutes for the entire regular order approps process). It is astonishing that this dodge has been used, for several cycles, to protect incumbents from politics.
Nothing the WH can do, directly, about this - apart from stating that any approps bill not done in regular order, and with a life-span of more than 10 days, will be vetoed. THAT would have been the smart thing to do, and within days of taking power. Having free-standing approps bills massively increases presidential leverage, and restores politics to politics.
Posted by: rhomboid at August 02, 2017 12:53 PM (QDnY+)
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Can I get a witness?
Posted by: bonhomme at August 02, 2017 12:16 PM (jhqr1)
You'll need two. And a notary.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 02, 2017 12:16 PM (0mRoj)
Four if you're female or kaffir.
Posted by: bonhomme at August 02, 2017 12:16 PM (jhqr1)
You'll need two. And a notary.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 02, 2017 12:16 PM (0mRoj)
Four if you're female or kaffir.
Posted by: Fox2! at August 02, 2017 12:53 PM (lmPMy)
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I'd rather take what I call the "Hang an admiral" route: Target 2 or three rinos, and either beat them in the primaries or get the dem elected via voting 3rd party.
Posted by: Jackal
___________
That's the route I would take as well, unfortunately its really tough and Senators have 6 year terms.
House members are much easier to hang in the public square.
Posted by: Jackal
___________
That's the route I would take as well, unfortunately its really tough and Senators have 6 year terms.
House members are much easier to hang in the public square.
Posted by: Maritime at August 02, 2017 12:53 PM (ycAdZ)
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I marvel at La Raza wanting to take over and run
things here. They're aware that Mexicans already HAVE a country, right?
And it's a train wreck? What makes them think they'd do any better the
second time around? There's nothing magical about the soil here; the
difference is the people who run things.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 02, 2017 12:52 PM (SRKgf)
Need moar MS-13.
things here. They're aware that Mexicans already HAVE a country, right?
And it's a train wreck? What makes them think they'd do any better the
second time around? There's nothing magical about the soil here; the
difference is the people who run things.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 02, 2017 12:52 PM (SRKgf)
Need moar MS-13.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 02, 2017 12:54 PM (PY9jH)
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Nothing is going to get done in regular order. PDT has to figure a way around this and frankly, I don't see how.
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He is picking targets, freezing them and isolating them.
They are being replaced whether they know it or not.
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He is picking targets, freezing them and isolating them.
They are being replaced whether they know it or not.
Posted by: RoyalOil at August 02, 2017 12:54 PM (W1XyZ)
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Man arrested after pleasuring himself with a sex toy along a NJ highway
http://tinyurl.com/y8asz33p
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Who is Chris Christie with a doughnut.
http://tinyurl.com/y8asz33p
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Who is Chris Christie with a doughnut.
Posted by: simplemind at August 02, 2017 12:54 PM (bvZ6I)
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Yeah, a culture of contempt for learning, truth, and logic.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 02, 2017 12:51 PM (39g3+)
It's more fundamental than that. Culture is the distillate of the characteristics of a group of people.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 02, 2017 12:51 PM (39g3+)
It's more fundamental than that. Culture is the distillate of the characteristics of a group of people.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 02, 2017 12:54 PM (SRKgf)
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216. Yep. I'm all for shutting things down for a while - which will never happen, I know - to facilitate integration, to the extent it can be done.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 12:54 PM (fA1SL)
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213
Yeah, really good idea. Give the dems supermajorities in the house and senate. Nothing could possibly go wrong there, other than screw over the rest of the country that the dems don't have a hammer lock on...
I'd rather take what I call the "Hang an admiral" route: Target 2 or three rinos, and either beat them in the primaries or get the dem elected via voting 3rd party.
Posted by: Jackal at August 02, 2017 12:52 PM (6p4lE)
I think you missed the words "long term." ICYMI, we have all three branches of government right now and the Obamacare Repeal? Tax Reform? This legislation?
Preventing the Dems from destroying more only goes so far. The trajectory is still the same even when they are out of power.
New political movement must be started and brought to bear.
Yeah, really good idea. Give the dems supermajorities in the house and senate. Nothing could possibly go wrong there, other than screw over the rest of the country that the dems don't have a hammer lock on...
I'd rather take what I call the "Hang an admiral" route: Target 2 or three rinos, and either beat them in the primaries or get the dem elected via voting 3rd party.
Posted by: Jackal at August 02, 2017 12:52 PM (6p4lE)
I think you missed the words "long term." ICYMI, we have all three branches of government right now and the Obamacare Repeal? Tax Reform? This legislation?
Preventing the Dems from destroying more only goes so far. The trajectory is still the same even when they are out of power.
New political movement must be started and brought to bear.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:54 PM (mbhDw)
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but toxic practices = by toxic practices
Posted by: zombie at August 02, 2017 12:55 PM (DQ4Fv)
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@218 Florida plates?
Posted by: blaster at August 02, 2017 12:55 PM (dUZhM)
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Unless some "deplorable" Republican Senators net some gains in the 2018 midterms, Congress is making sure Trump is essentially a lame duck.
All he can do now is Executive Orders. I would start with taking away Congress ObamaCare subsidies and cut the insurance payments for starters.
Then maybe rescind the Dreamer protection if he can't get his crackdown.
Posted by: Maritime at August 02, 2017 12:51 PM (ycAdZ)
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Ah, but what about those 9th circuit judges just sitting there with their pens poised? I just effin hate what is going on.
Unless some "deplorable" Republican Senators net some gains in the 2018 midterms, Congress is making sure Trump is essentially a lame duck.
All he can do now is Executive Orders. I would start with taking away Congress ObamaCare subsidies and cut the insurance payments for starters.
Then maybe rescind the Dreamer protection if he can't get his crackdown.
Posted by: Maritime at August 02, 2017 12:51 PM (ycAdZ)
+++
Ah, but what about those 9th circuit judges just sitting there with their pens poised? I just effin hate what is going on.
Posted by: washrivergal at August 02, 2017 12:55 PM (2+gSO)
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A guy on Tucker last night wants to replace the entire white population of CA with immigrants than CALEXIT.
Don't worry he said it's not like Calfornia is moving to the other side of the world,they'll still be our neighbors.
A guy on Tucker last night wants to replace the entire white population of CA with immigrants than CALEXIT.
Don't worry he said it's not like Calfornia is moving to the other side of the world,they'll still be our neighbors.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at August 02, 2017 12:55 PM (lKyWE)
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Posted by: bonhomme at August 02, 2017 12:46 PM (jhqr1)
One of many reasons why I have no love for the suits.
Posted by: bonhomme at August 02, 2017 12:46 PM (jhqr1)
One of many reasons why I have no love for the suits.
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Why is it that all "conversations" begin with, "Because 'Shut up!', that's why!"
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 02, 2017 12:40 PM (pNxlR)
Or the dismissive We Can't Do That!
Which always mean we actually can do that but we're not even going to consider it because reasons and also I'm getting a check from an interest group that wants things to continue as they have.
Why is it that all "conversations" begin with, "Because 'Shut up!', that's why!"
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 02, 2017 12:40 PM (pNxlR)
Or the dismissive We Can't Do That!
Which always mean we actually can do that but we're not even going to consider it because reasons and also I'm getting a check from an interest group that wants things to continue as they have.
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In defense of your sainted mother, SHE WAS TOLD IT WAS HER OWN MONEY. It was, they just spent it immediately.
Posted by: simplemind at August 02, 2017 12:53 PM (A5R2L)
Yes, and perhaps that is a bad example. But she felt that way about entitlements in general. Except welfare. Imagine that.
In defense of your sainted mother, SHE WAS TOLD IT WAS HER OWN MONEY. It was, they just spent it immediately.
Posted by: simplemind at August 02, 2017 12:53 PM (A5R2L)
Yes, and perhaps that is a bad example. But she felt that way about entitlements in general. Except welfare. Imagine that.
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I'd rather take what I call the "Hang an admiral" route: Target 2 or three rinos, and either beat them in the primaries or get the dem elected via voting 3rd party.
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pour encourager les autres
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pour encourager les autres
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 02, 2017 12:56 PM (Nwg0u)
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In defense of your sainted mother, SHE WAS TOLD IT WAS HER OWN MONEY. It was, they just spent it immediately.
Posted by: simplemind at August 02, 2017 12:53 PM (A5R2L)
And it was more of her reacting to the idea of "fixing" SSI and Medicare etc. She fell for the Democrat alarmism.
In defense of your sainted mother, SHE WAS TOLD IT WAS HER OWN MONEY. It was, they just spent it immediately.
Posted by: simplemind at August 02, 2017 12:53 PM (A5R2L)
And it was more of her reacting to the idea of "fixing" SSI and Medicare etc. She fell for the Democrat alarmism.
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227. The truth that dare not speak its name.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 12:56 PM (fA1SL)
Posted by: Insomniac at August 02, 2017 12:57 PM (0mRoj)
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The FDR generation reveres FDR.They don't believe he made America socialist.
Posted by: steevy at August 02, 2017 12:57 PM (rmVvL)
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38 Can't wait to hear Jeff Flake's opinion.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 02, 2017 12:20 PM (PY9jH)
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So glad you asked.
I think this is terrible. What a horrible, nativist proposal!
This is not conservative at all. A conservative bill would allow anyone who wants to come to America to come, regardless of whether or not they have job skills, can support themselves, have a criminal record, are diseased and/or contagious, speak English or are ever willing to learn, respect the U.S. Constitution or intend to try and implement sharia law, are on terrorist watch lists, etc.
IOW, basically the system we have now. We let in everybody, don't seriously vet anybody, give them whatever welfare benefits they apply for (even if they claim to have 897 dependents living in a two-room apartment), and refuse to deport anyone who is here illegally, no matter how many crimes they commit here.
That's the American way! Like it says in our official government policy inscribed on the statue that the French made: Give us your tired, poor, lazy, criminal, contagiously diseased, America-hating huddled masses, because we don't have enough low-life slackers or depraved criminals here already. And keep sending them, because we can never have enough foreign grifters sucking up the billions and billions of welfare dollars that we pay out to "immigrants" every year. So what if we're $20 Trillion in debt, with hundreds of Trillions more in unfunded liabilities! It's just money, and so long as there are Canadian trees and green ink, we can print more!
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 02, 2017 12:20 PM (PY9jH)
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So glad you asked.
I think this is terrible. What a horrible, nativist proposal!
This is not conservative at all. A conservative bill would allow anyone who wants to come to America to come, regardless of whether or not they have job skills, can support themselves, have a criminal record, are diseased and/or contagious, speak English or are ever willing to learn, respect the U.S. Constitution or intend to try and implement sharia law, are on terrorist watch lists, etc.
IOW, basically the system we have now. We let in everybody, don't seriously vet anybody, give them whatever welfare benefits they apply for (even if they claim to have 897 dependents living in a two-room apartment), and refuse to deport anyone who is here illegally, no matter how many crimes they commit here.
That's the American way! Like it says in our official government policy inscribed on the statue that the French made: Give us your tired, poor, lazy, criminal, contagiously diseased, America-hating huddled masses, because we don't have enough low-life slackers or depraved criminals here already. And keep sending them, because we can never have enough foreign grifters sucking up the billions and billions of welfare dollars that we pay out to "immigrants" every year. So what if we're $20 Trillion in debt, with hundreds of Trillions more in unfunded liabilities! It's just money, and so long as there are Canadian trees and green ink, we can print more!
Posted by: Senator Jeffie Flake at August 02, 2017 12:58 PM (gNgc6)
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We need to revive the Old Ways in Mexico City (formerly known as Technogicalinkegadacan). Flower wars. Obsidian knives. Screeching, mud-covered harpies. Appeasing Huiz;ihsnoepvocktli with 10,000 extracted hearts daily.
It's the only way.
It's the only way.
Posted by: Zod at August 02, 2017 12:58 PM (Bdeb0)
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@rhomboid - wedge issues. For some reason they became bad juju on the Republican side.
Dems do them all the time.
Don't let Lee Atwater have died in vain.
Dems do them all the time.
Don't let Lee Atwater have died in vain.
Posted by: blaster at August 02, 2017 12:58 PM (dUZhM)
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Tingle Boy Mathews looooves Jeff Flakes new book:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/y75bpzja
But, of course.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/y75bpzja
But, of course.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 02, 2017 12:58 PM (PY9jH)
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The race lords are going to have a field day with this. It's time to have this battle though.
Posted by: Minnfidel at August 02, 2017 12:58 PM (570lp)
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Who'da thunk it. An immigration bill I can actually support based on what little is known about it.
Kudos to the Senators who crafted it. And that should be the focus going forward, for those of us who call or write our congressmen. Leave Trump out of it and focus on the bill and the sponsors.
I don't bother my Senator Johnson often, because
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is all I get to, and when the anger subsides the urge to write does too.
But, I think I'll write him on this and urge his support in the strongest clean language I can muster. Maybe even that Turd Ryan gets an e-mail, or at least a CC of the others' mail.
I hope we could all pester our "rulers" on this one, they need to hear from us before the next election, because if they fuck us on this one (and I believe ultimately they will) the best chance at reforms that aren't inherently harmful will go by the boards.
ps Grammarians can pound sand, I know I'm awful.
Kudos to the Senators who crafted it. And that should be the focus going forward, for those of us who call or write our congressmen. Leave Trump out of it and focus on the bill and the sponsors.
I don't bother my Senator Johnson often, because
types
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is all I get to, and when the anger subsides the urge to write does too.
But, I think I'll write him on this and urge his support in the strongest clean language I can muster. Maybe even that Turd Ryan gets an e-mail, or at least a CC of the others' mail.
I hope we could all pester our "rulers" on this one, they need to hear from us before the next election, because if they fuck us on this one (and I believe ultimately they will) the best chance at reforms that aren't inherently harmful will go by the boards.
ps Grammarians can pound sand, I know I'm awful.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 02, 2017 12:58 PM (z79tQ)
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My dad and his siblings, born of Jews from Bessarabia and Lithuania, spoke English at home and were fully Americanized as they grew up. Right from the start. Even my grandparents struggled but the spoke English as much as they could.
To demand that today is racist, of course.
My dad and his siblings, born of Jews from Bessarabia and Lithuania, spoke English at home and were fully Americanized as they grew up. Right from the start. Even my grandparents struggled but the spoke English as much as they could.
To demand that today is racist, of course.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:59 PM (mbhDw)
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Police Chief Stacy Brown has resigned after less than a year on the job at Evergreen State College.
This might just be a career saving action.
This might just be a career saving action.
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To demand that today is racist, of course.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:59 PM (mbhDw)
America: from melting pot to tossed salad.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:59 PM (mbhDw)
America: from melting pot to tossed salad.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 02, 2017 12:59 PM (0mRoj)
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In defense of your sainted mother, SHE WAS TOLD IT WAS HER OWN MONEY. It was, they just spent it immediately.
Posted by: simplemind at August 02, 2017 12:53 PM (A5R2L)
Yes, and perhaps that is a bad example. But she felt that way about entitlements in general. Except welfare. Imagine that.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:56 PM (mbhDw)
Could you imagine the economy we would have, if they had actually INVESTED the Social Security money?
Yes, the system would now be the largest wealth holder EVER.... but .... damn...
In defense of your sainted mother, SHE WAS TOLD IT WAS HER OWN MONEY. It was, they just spent it immediately.
Posted by: simplemind at August 02, 2017 12:53 PM (A5R2L)
Yes, and perhaps that is a bad example. But she felt that way about entitlements in general. Except welfare. Imagine that.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:56 PM (mbhDw)
Could you imagine the economy we would have, if they had actually INVESTED the Social Security money?
Yes, the system would now be the largest wealth holder EVER.... but .... damn...
Posted by: Don Quixote, who loves Science..... but only for its mind at August 02, 2017 12:59 PM (NgKpN)
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Jeff Flake has made himself the new "conservative" houseboy to the left.He figures since McCain is on the way out it's a sweet gig.
Posted by: steevy at August 02, 2017 01:00 PM (rmVvL)
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241 The FDR generation reveres FDR.They don't believe he made America socialist.
Posted by: steevy at August 02, 2017 12:57 PM (rmVvL)
The reality of FDR and what he did is clouded by the imagery as the nation's commander during wartime.
Posted by: steevy at August 02, 2017 12:57 PM (rmVvL)
The reality of FDR and what he did is clouded by the imagery as the nation's commander during wartime.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:00 PM (mbhDw)
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Who is Chris Christie with a doughnut.
Posted by: simplemind at August 02, 2017 12:54 PM
I'm sorry, but per the rules, you must phrase your answer as a question, even at the risk of facing manupspeaking accusations.
Posted by: simplemind at August 02, 2017 12:54 PM
I'm sorry, but per the rules, you must phrase your answer as a question, even at the risk of facing manupspeaking accusations.
Posted by: zombie Alex Trebek at August 02, 2017 01:00 PM (ctuyM)
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The truth that dare not speak its name.
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As compared to the love that dares not speak its name . . .
(Chris Christie and doughnuts)
O_O
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As compared to the love that dares not speak its name . . .
(Chris Christie and doughnuts)
O_O
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Posted by: simplemind at August 02, 2017 01:00 PM (fz3YG)
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250. Heh....
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 01:00 PM (fA1SL)
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53 percent of the federal budget goes to welfare, yet nowhere in the Constitution is public relief authorized. ("General welfare" is not public relief.)
Meanwhile, National Defense, which is clearly enumerated in the Constitution, receives only 25 percent of the federal budget.
The enemies of the U.S. Constitution are winning.
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53 percent of the federal budget goes to welfare, yet nowhere in the Constitution is public relief authorized. ("General welfare" is not public relief.)
Meanwhile, National Defense, which is clearly enumerated in the Constitution, receives only 25 percent of the federal budget.
The enemies of the U.S. Constitution are winning.
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marvel at La Raza wanting to take over and run things here. They're aware that Mexicans already HAVE a country, right? And it's a train wreck? What makes them think they'd do any better the second time around? There's nothing magical about the soil here; the difference is the people who run things.
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Locusts. Think locusts. It's not so much they want to build/create, they want to plunder and quite possibly, enslave. Once this place is picked clean, they'd find another target.
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Locusts. Think locusts. It's not so much they want to build/create, they want to plunder and quite possibly, enslave. Once this place is picked clean, they'd find another target.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at August 02, 2017 01:00 PM (vg8iE)
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253 Could you imagine the economy we would have, if they had actually INVESTED the Social Security money?
Yes, the system would now be the largest wealth holder EVER.... but .... damn...
Posted by: Don Quixote, who loves Science..... but only for its mind at August 02, 2017 12:59 PM (NgKpN)
"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, within 5 years, there'd be a shortage of sand."
QED
Yes, the system would now be the largest wealth holder EVER.... but .... damn...
Posted by: Don Quixote, who loves Science..... but only for its mind at August 02, 2017 12:59 PM (NgKpN)
"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, within 5 years, there'd be a shortage of sand."
QED
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Speaking of Florida (my home state--*sigh*), two assholes were arrested in the FL Keys for capturing a couple of tiny key deer and putting them in the trunk of their car.
The little buck had to be euthanized because of its injuries.
Stupid redneck bastards.
The little buck had to be euthanized because of its injuries.
Stupid redneck bastards.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 02, 2017 01:01 PM (PY9jH)
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223 I'd rather take what I call the "Hang an admiral" route: Target 2 or three rinos, and either beat them in the primaries or get the dem elected via voting 3rd party.
Posted by: Jackal
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That's the route I would take as well, unfortunately its really tough and Senators have 6 year terms.
House members are much easier to hang in the public square.
Posted by: Maritime at August 02, 2017 12:53 PM (ycAdZ)
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That's why you go after a few every cycle. Eventually, they'd either get the message or be driven from office. The coming cycle is the time to send a message: the dems are so exposed that losing the nominal rep majority is vanishingly unlikely. With good candidates for the dem seats and elimination of a few rinos, there's a shot at getting 51 seats that will actually work with trump. And yes it's slow, but from my position in a southeastern red state, it's preferable to giving the dems all power again. A third party would be suicide for the right, because the left will make damn sure another trump doesn't pop up. The shit hillary and the media pulled in the last couple of years proves that.
Posted by: Jackal
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That's the route I would take as well, unfortunately its really tough and Senators have 6 year terms.
House members are much easier to hang in the public square.
Posted by: Maritime at August 02, 2017 12:53 PM (ycAdZ)
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That's why you go after a few every cycle. Eventually, they'd either get the message or be driven from office. The coming cycle is the time to send a message: the dems are so exposed that losing the nominal rep majority is vanishingly unlikely. With good candidates for the dem seats and elimination of a few rinos, there's a shot at getting 51 seats that will actually work with trump. And yes it's slow, but from my position in a southeastern red state, it's preferable to giving the dems all power again. A third party would be suicide for the right, because the left will make damn sure another trump doesn't pop up. The shit hillary and the media pulled in the last couple of years proves that.
Posted by: Jackal at August 02, 2017 01:01 PM (6p4lE)
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Diversity Immigrant Visa Program ? What the fucking hell?!
Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 02, 2017 01:01 PM (6iUC+)
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Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:01 PM (mbhDw)
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241 The FDR generation reveres FDR.They don't believe he made America socialist.
Posted by: steevy at August 02, 2017 12:57 PM (rmVvL)
That just triggered my anger again at ABC cancelling Last Man Standing. On one episode he went on a rant about FDR being a socialist.
Posted by: steevy at August 02, 2017 12:57 PM (rmVvL)
That just triggered my anger again at ABC cancelling Last Man Standing. On one episode he went on a rant about FDR being a socialist.
Posted by: Jack Sock at August 02, 2017 01:01 PM (TrOGC)
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Could you imagine the economy we would have, if they had actually INVESTED the Social Security money?
Yes, the system would now be the largest wealth holder EVER.... but .... damn...
Posted by: Don Quixote, who loves Science..... but only for its mind at August 02, 2017 12:59 PM (NgKpN)
Nah. They'd have wasted it. Appendix transplants, propping up buggy whip manufacturers, etc.
Yes, the system would now be the largest wealth holder EVER.... but .... damn...
Posted by: Don Quixote, who loves Science..... but only for its mind at August 02, 2017 12:59 PM (NgKpN)
Nah. They'd have wasted it. Appendix transplants, propping up buggy whip manufacturers, etc.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 02, 2017 01:01 PM (SRKgf)
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261 253 Could you imagine the economy we would have, if they had actually INVESTED the Social Security money?
Yes, the system would now be the largest wealth holder EVER.... but .... damn...
Posted by: Don Quixote, who loves Science..... but only for its mind at August 02, 2017 12:59 PM (NgKpN)
"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, within 5 years, there'd be a shortage of sand."
QED
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:00 PM (mbhDw)
Exactly. Whether by looting or sheer incompetence, it's a certainty they'd fuck it up.
Yes, the system would now be the largest wealth holder EVER.... but .... damn...
Posted by: Don Quixote, who loves Science..... but only for its mind at August 02, 2017 12:59 PM (NgKpN)
"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, within 5 years, there'd be a shortage of sand."
QED
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:00 PM (mbhDw)
Exactly. Whether by looting or sheer incompetence, it's a certainty they'd fuck it up.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 02, 2017 01:01 PM (0mRoj)
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If McConnell supports Trump he'd force a vote on this. Same for Ryan in the House. At least get Congresscritters on record going into 2018.
Posted by: Ignoramus at August 02, 2017 01:02 PM (+7/1f)
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"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, within 5 years, there'd be a shortage of sand."
QED
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:00 PM (mbhDw
Milton Friedman said that.
"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, within 5 years, there'd be a shortage of sand."
QED
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:00 PM (mbhDw
Milton Friedman said that.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:02 PM (mbhDw)
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Locusts. Think locusts. It's not so much they want
to build/create, they want to plunder and quite possibly, enslave. Once
this place is picked clean, they'd find another target.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at August 02, 2017 01:00 PM (vg8iE)
Kind of like our liberal Betters from the NE moving down to our Sunbelt states.
to build/create, they want to plunder and quite possibly, enslave. Once
this place is picked clean, they'd find another target.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at August 02, 2017 01:00 PM (vg8iE)
Kind of like our liberal Betters from the NE moving down to our Sunbelt states.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 02, 2017 01:02 PM (PY9jH)
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My loathing of cutesy acronyms for bill names is well known but this isn't utterly horrible.
So, we're going to Canada's immigration system, more or less.
I don't really have anything to add, I just like hearing myself type.
So, we're going to Canada's immigration system, more or less.
I don't really have anything to add, I just like hearing myself type.
Posted by: alexthechick - summons the Parallamas at August 02, 2017 01:02 PM (mf5HN)
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262 Speaking of Florida (my home state--*sigh*), two assholes were arrested in the FL Keys for capturing a couple of tiny key deer and putting them in the trunk of their car.
The little buck had to be euthanized because of its injuries.
Stupid redneck bastards.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 02, 2017 01:01 PM (PY9jH)
Dummies. They could've gone to the Everglades and hunted snakes for cash.
The little buck had to be euthanized because of its injuries.
Stupid redneck bastards.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 02, 2017 01:01 PM (PY9jH)
Dummies. They could've gone to the Everglades and hunted snakes for cash.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 02, 2017 01:02 PM (0mRoj)
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Note to La Raza: Your real homeland and target should be Kamchatka.
Get going.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:01 PM (mbhDw)
Yep. "Now you just get your little heinies right back across the Bering Strait and then take a left."
Note to La Raza: Your real homeland and target should be Kamchatka.
Get going.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:01 PM (mbhDw)
Yep. "Now you just get your little heinies right back across the Bering Strait and then take a left."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 02, 2017 01:02 PM (SRKgf)
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My dad and his siblings, born of Jews from Bessarabia and Lithuania, spoke English at home and were fully Americanized as they grew up. Right from the start. Even my grandparents struggled but the spoke English as much as they could.
To demand that today is racist, of course.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August
The Americanization needs to go all the way through, to the core, not just speaking English. My great grand parents came from two different countries, great countries as countries go but nowhere near as great as America, which they knew and believed. You know how much of the "old country" they kept? Nothing. Not one fucking thing, and they were very well off in the old country. They moved here because they believed in what America is.
No foods from the old country, no traditions from the old country, no language from the old country.
To demand that today is racist, of course.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August
The Americanization needs to go all the way through, to the core, not just speaking English. My great grand parents came from two different countries, great countries as countries go but nowhere near as great as America, which they knew and believed. You know how much of the "old country" they kept? Nothing. Not one fucking thing, and they were very well off in the old country. They moved here because they believed in what America is.
No foods from the old country, no traditions from the old country, no language from the old country.
Posted by: yankeefifth at August 02, 2017 01:03 PM (0wem/)
Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at August 02, 2017 01:03 PM (e8kgV)
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Yeah, really good idea. Give the dems supermajorities in the house and senate.
Posted by: Jackal at August 02, 2017 12:52 PM (6p4lE)
um...the Uniparty already has the supermajority and has for decades....we need a new party and if R's want to caucus against D's, then the better.
But this is over, one way or another...it's only a matter of time. Trump needs to form a party with 40% of the country.
Posted by: Jackal at August 02, 2017 12:52 PM (6p4lE)
um...the Uniparty already has the supermajority and has for decades....we need a new party and if R's want to caucus against D's, then the better.
But this is over, one way or another...it's only a matter of time. Trump needs to form a party with 40% of the country.
Posted by: matty at August 02, 2017 01:03 PM (zQA40)
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My dad and his siblings, born of Jews from Bessarabia and Lithuania, spoke English at home and were fully Americanized as they grew up. Right from the start. Even my grandparents struggled but the spoke English as much as they could.
To demand that today is racist, of course.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:59 PM (mbhDw)
Yeah this really gets me going. I went on a rant with my father about this very thing.
You. Must. Learn. English.
I don't care if you have an accent. You must speak English. You must make the effort. It's a sign of respect if nothing else. If I went to France, I'd learn as much French as possible. I'd likely sound like an idiot at first, but I'd make the effort.
To demand that today is racist, of course.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:59 PM (mbhDw)
Yeah this really gets me going. I went on a rant with my father about this very thing.
You. Must. Learn. English.
I don't care if you have an accent. You must speak English. You must make the effort. It's a sign of respect if nothing else. If I went to France, I'd learn as much French as possible. I'd likely sound like an idiot at first, but I'd make the effort.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 02, 2017 01:03 PM (4ErVI)
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270 If McConnell supports Trump he'd force a vote on this. Same for Ryan in the House. At least get Congresscritters on record going into 2018.
Posted by: Ignoramus at August 02, 2017 01:02 PM (+7/1f)
So I guess the strategery is to put the Party in the hot spot before the election.
Posted by: Ignoramus at August 02, 2017 01:02 PM (+7/1f)
So I guess the strategery is to put the Party in the hot spot before the election.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:03 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 02, 2017 01:03 PM (6iUC+)
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My dad and his siblings, born of Jews from Bessarabia and Lithuania, spoke English at home and were fully Americanized as they grew up. Right from the start. Even my grandparents struggled but the spoke English as much as they could.
To demand that today is racist, of course.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:59 PM (mbhDw)
My great-great grandparents fled the Great Hunger to come to America. They at least spoke English, but still had to put up with anti-Irish, anti-Catholic prejudice. But they rolled up their sleeves, found work and prospered. To be on welfare was seen as a moral failing - even unto a sin.
America. From open door to feather bed.
To demand that today is racist, of course.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:59 PM (mbhDw)
My great-great grandparents fled the Great Hunger to come to America. They at least spoke English, but still had to put up with anti-Irish, anti-Catholic prejudice. But they rolled up their sleeves, found work and prospered. To be on welfare was seen as a moral failing - even unto a sin.
America. From open door to feather bed.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 02, 2017 01:04 PM (X6fMO)
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Kind of like our liberal Betters from the NE moving down to our Sunbelt states.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 02, 2017 01:02 PM (PY9jH)
The California story, part deux.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 02, 2017 01:02 PM (PY9jH)
The California story, part deux.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 02, 2017 01:04 PM (SRKgf)
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We all agree that birthright citizenship is a bad idea. What about trans-temporal citizenship? If I went back in time to the 19th or early 20th century, would I still be a citizen?
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at August 02, 2017 01:04 PM (xAvrH)
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Could it be that President Trump is going to make valid effort to make good on all of his campaign promises then after being rebuffed by the courts and congress he goes before the American people (a well promoted TV address to the nation) with a list of grievances.
President Trump goes before the nation with a list of grievances and after elaborating them asks the American people to join him in expressing their desire for these grievances be addressed immediately.
tic...tic...tic...
President Trump goes before the nation with a list of grievances and after elaborating them asks the American people to join him in expressing their desire for these grievances be addressed immediately.
tic...tic...tic...
Posted by: gNewt at August 02, 2017 01:04 PM (5J1TA)
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Exactly. Whether by looting or sheer incompetence, it's a certainty they'd fuck it up.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 02, 2017 01:01 PM (0mRoj)
Remember, Horde, the Feds managed to lose money running a whore house.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 02, 2017 01:01 PM (0mRoj)
Remember, Horde, the Feds managed to lose money running a whore house.
Posted by: alexthechick - summons the Parallamas at August 02, 2017 01:04 PM (mf5HN)
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277 "... marvel at La Raza ..."
La Raza has been rename to UniDosUS
I still prefer MSDOS 6.24
Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at August 02, 2017 01:03 PM (e8kgV)
Swapping out 30 million floppy disks is a real bitch.
La Raza has been rename to UniDosUS
I still prefer MSDOS 6.24
Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at August 02, 2017 01:03 PM (e8kgV)
Swapping out 30 million floppy disks is a real bitch.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 02, 2017 01:04 PM (0mRoj)
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"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, within 5 years, there'd be a shortage of sand."
QED
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:00 PM (mbhDw)
I understand that there are persistent shortages of fish and coal in the UK.
QED
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:00 PM (mbhDw)
I understand that there are persistent shortages of fish and coal in the UK.
Posted by: Count de Monet at August 02, 2017 01:04 PM (JO9+V)
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I don't care if you have an accent. You must speak English. You must make the effort. It's a sign of respect if nothing else. If I went to France, I'd learn as much French as possible. I'd likely sound like an idiot at first, but I'd make the effort.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 02, 2017 01:03 PM (4ErVI)
Just back from Italy and I was so pissed when the locals answered me in English! I'm trying to learn Dago, dammit!
Still, your point is taken. It is a sign of respect no matter how badly you foul up.
I don't care if you have an accent. You must speak English. You must make the effort. It's a sign of respect if nothing else. If I went to France, I'd learn as much French as possible. I'd likely sound like an idiot at first, but I'd make the effort.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 02, 2017 01:03 PM (4ErVI)
Just back from Italy and I was so pissed when the locals answered me in English! I'm trying to learn Dago, dammit!
Still, your point is taken. It is a sign of respect no matter how badly you foul up.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:04 PM (mbhDw)
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Did anyone notice the 'Beyonce Professor' who we were laughing at yesterday has been fired for tweeting his hope that someone would shoot Trump?
http://preview.tinyurl.com/yb9sre5y
http://preview.tinyurl.com/yb9sre5y
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 02, 2017 01:05 PM (oVJmc)
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277 "... marvel at La Raza ..."
La Raza has been rename to UniDosUS
I still prefer MSDOS 6.24
Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at August 02, 2017 01:03 PM (e8kgV)
That reminds me, what do they call ACORN now?
La Raza has been rename to UniDosUS
I still prefer MSDOS 6.24
Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at August 02, 2017 01:03 PM (e8kgV)
That reminds me, what do they call ACORN now?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 02, 2017 01:05 PM (SRKgf)
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UniDosUS comes on 5.25" floppies
Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at August 02, 2017 01:05 PM (e8kgV)
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I understand that there are persistent shortages of fish and coal in the UK.
Posted by: Count de Monet at August 02, 2017 01:04 PM (JO9+V)
As well as medical care. And compassion.
I understand that there are persistent shortages of fish and coal in the UK.
Posted by: Count de Monet at August 02, 2017 01:04 PM (JO9+V)
As well as medical care. And compassion.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:05 PM (mbhDw)
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That reminds me, what do they call ACORN now?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 02, 2017 01:05 PM (SRKgf)
CORNA?
That reminds me, what do they call ACORN now?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 02, 2017 01:05 PM (SRKgf)
CORNA?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:06 PM (mbhDw)
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290 Did anyone notice the 'Beyonce Professor' who we were laughing at yesterday has been fired for tweeting his hope that someone would shoot Trump?
http://preview.tinyurl.com/yb9sre5y
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 02, 2017 01:05 PM (oVJmc)
Looks like an outbreak of common sense.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/yb9sre5y
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 02, 2017 01:05 PM (oVJmc)
Looks like an outbreak of common sense.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 02, 2017 01:06 PM (SRKgf)
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Remember, Horde, the Feds managed to lose money running a whore house.
Posted by: alexthechick - summons the Parallamas at August 02, 2017 01:04 PM (mf5HN)
Yes they did. And they lose money on canned soft drinks on Amtrack.
Posted by: alexthechick - summons the Parallamas at August 02, 2017 01:04 PM (mf5HN)
Yes they did. And they lose money on canned soft drinks on Amtrack.
Posted by: Count de Monet at August 02, 2017 01:06 PM (JO9+V)
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286. Heh....overhead costs. It took a ten-page form just to get a hummer.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 01:06 PM (fA1SL)
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Did anyone notice the 'Beyonce Professor' who we were laughing at yesterday has been fired for tweeting his hope that someone would shoot Trump?
http://preview.tinyurl.com/yb9sre5y
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Lucky for him Trump is president and there are jobs available for a change.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/yb9sre5y
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Lucky for him Trump is president and there are jobs available for a change.
Posted by: simplemind at August 02, 2017 01:06 PM (fz3YG)
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290 Of course,that was why ace wrote about the twit in the first place.
Posted by: steevy at August 02, 2017 01:06 PM (rmVvL)
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Could you imagine the economy we would have, if they had actually INVESTED the Social Security money?
You think we have cronyism now, imagine what it would be like if the bureaucracy had a 100 trillion dollars to give to their friends.
You think we have cronyism now, imagine what it would be like if the bureaucracy had a 100 trillion dollars to give to their friends.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 02, 2017 01:06 PM (6iUC+)
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>>260
marvel at La Raza wanting to take over and run things here. They're
aware that Mexicans already HAVE a country, right? And it's a train
wreck? What makes them think they'd do any better the second time
around? There's nothing magical about the soil here; the difference is
the people who run things.
It's as I've suggested--things were fine in the mighty empire until they stopped slaking the keen thirst of Huitzealopcttocti with the blood of thousands. Then it was a quick progression from Spanish slavery to Pancho Villa to donkey shows and fucked-up Honda Civics with crushed quarterpanels and Guadeloupe decals.
marvel at La Raza wanting to take over and run things here. They're
aware that Mexicans already HAVE a country, right? And it's a train
wreck? What makes them think they'd do any better the second time
around? There's nothing magical about the soil here; the difference is
the people who run things.
It's as I've suggested--things were fine in the mighty empire until they stopped slaking the keen thirst of Huitzealopcttocti with the blood of thousands. Then it was a quick progression from Spanish slavery to Pancho Villa to donkey shows and fucked-up Honda Civics with crushed quarterpanels and Guadeloupe decals.
Posted by: Zod at August 02, 2017 01:06 PM (Bdeb0)
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Posted by: REPEAT at August 02, 2017 01:07 PM (DQ4Fv)
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292 UniDosUS comes on 5.25" floppies
Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at August 02, 2017 01:05 PM (e8kgV)
3.5". Mexicans are pretty short.
Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at August 02, 2017 01:05 PM (e8kgV)
3.5". Mexicans are pretty short.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 02, 2017 01:07 PM (0mRoj)
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Leftist just want to return the US to the original inhabitants of the land, Mexicans and Muslims.
Posted by: Ripley at August 02, 2017 01:07 PM (MxEKc)
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No foods from the old country, no traditions from the old country, no language from the old country.
Posted by: yankeefifth
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I'm forever grateful that there was no such thing as ESL classes in school when my grandfather was a young'n.
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I'm forever grateful that there was no such thing as ESL classes in school when my grandfather was a young'n.
Posted by: Furious George at August 02, 2017 01:07 PM (j+dfT)
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273 My loathing of cutesy acronyms for bill names is well known but this isn't utterly horrible.
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I just hate the idea that someone needs to make an acronym out of a law.
It makes it seem like a high school science project or something.
It appears unserious and adolescent.
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I just hate the idea that someone needs to make an acronym out of a law.
It makes it seem like a high school science project or something.
It appears unserious and adolescent.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at August 02, 2017 01:07 PM (4AVeu)
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Posted by: Do-loop at August 02, 2017 01:08 PM (DQ4Fv)
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218 Man arrested after pleasuring himself with a sex toy along a NJ highway
http://tinyurl.com/y8asz33p
Posted by: McCool at August 02, 2017 12:52 PM (WXSv6)
To be fair, driving in New Jersey does call for some stress relief.
http://tinyurl.com/y8asz33p
Posted by: McCool at August 02, 2017 12:52 PM (WXSv6)
To be fair, driving in New Jersey does call for some stress relief.
Posted by: joncelli, Ray of Freakin' Sunshine at August 02, 2017 01:08 PM (RD7QR)
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I just hate the idea that someone needs to make an acronym out of a law.
It makes it seem like a high school science project or something.
It appears unserious and adolescent.
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But that's where we are
I just hate the idea that someone needs to make an acronym out of a law.
It makes it seem like a high school science project or something.
It appears unserious and adolescent.
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But that's where we are
Posted by: simplemind at August 02, 2017 01:08 PM (RuC1Z)
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Remember, Horde, the Feds managed to lose money running a whore house.
Posted by: alexthechick - summons the Parallamas at August 02, 2017 01:04 PM (mf5HN)
PEMEX (the Mexican national oil company) loses money. Who was it - Ross Perot? - who asked how you can lose money as an oil company. You drill a hole in the ground, catch what comes out, and sell it.
Posted by: alexthechick - summons the Parallamas at August 02, 2017 01:04 PM (mf5HN)
PEMEX (the Mexican national oil company) loses money. Who was it - Ross Perot? - who asked how you can lose money as an oil company. You drill a hole in the ground, catch what comes out, and sell it.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 02, 2017 01:08 PM (SRKgf)
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Easier travel and communication between the old country and the Golden Land have made assimilation more difficult.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 01:08 PM (fA1SL)
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ACORN local reborn as Alliance of Californians for Community Empowerment (ACCE).
Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at August 02, 2017 01:08 PM (e8kgV)
314
Venezuela had shortages of gasoline and fuel oil. And TP. And bread.
Posted by: Count de Monet at August 02, 2017 01:08 PM (JO9+V)
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Yes they did. And they lose money on canned soft drinks on Amtrack.
$12 for a lunch burger and they are losing money.
http://bit.ly/2vtk6Lr
$12 for a lunch burger and they are losing money.
http://bit.ly/2vtk6Lr
Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 02, 2017 01:09 PM (6iUC+)
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Times past you could get a Hummer for a C-note.
ahhhhhhhhhhhhh
ahhhhhhhhhhhhh
Posted by: Bill at August 02, 2017 01:09 PM (5J1TA)
317
The government took over a whorehouse...and it started losing money.
Posted by: steevy at August 02, 2017 01:10 PM (rmVvL)
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Just back from Italy and I was so pissed when the locals answered me in English! I'm trying to learn Dago, dammit!
Still, your point is taken. It is a sign of respect no matter how badly you foul up.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:04 PM (mbhDw)
Heh exactly. I'd be like DON'T TELL ME! because my mind has gotta find the word or phrase or I'm not learning.
I'd have to learn the phrase for DON'T TELL ME in whatever language so I can whip that out when needed...which would be a lot at first.
Still, your point is taken. It is a sign of respect no matter how badly you foul up.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:04 PM (mbhDw)
Heh exactly. I'd be like DON'T TELL ME! because my mind has gotta find the word or phrase or I'm not learning.
I'd have to learn the phrase for DON'T TELL ME in whatever language so I can whip that out when needed...which would be a lot at first.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 02, 2017 01:10 PM (4ErVI)
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I don't really have anything to add, I just like hearing myself type.
Posted by: alexthechick - summons the Parallamas at August 02, 2017 01:02 PM
We hope the helium balloon wrist location assistance devices aren't interfering with your typing, Your Empress.
We appreciate your wearing them 24/7/365.25!
Posted by: alexthechick - summons the Parallamas at August 02, 2017 01:02 PM
We hope the helium balloon wrist location assistance devices aren't interfering with your typing, Your Empress.
We appreciate your wearing them 24/7/365.25!
Posted by: AoSHQ SAR Team at August 02, 2017 01:10 PM (ctuyM)
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311 Remember, Horde, the Feds managed to lose money running a whore house.
Posted by: alexthechick - summons the Parallamas at August 02, 2017 01:04 PM (mf5HN)
PEMEX (the Mexican national oil company) loses money. Who was it - Ross Perot? - who asked how you can lose money as an oil company. You drill a hole in the ground, catch what comes out, and sell it.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 02, 2017 01:08 PM (SRKgf)
Believe it or not, there are people who actually are drilling into pipelines and stealing the crude. Yeah, the bribery and thievery from the government and criminals is the main culprit. But still.
Posted by: alexthechick - summons the Parallamas at August 02, 2017 01:04 PM (mf5HN)
PEMEX (the Mexican national oil company) loses money. Who was it - Ross Perot? - who asked how you can lose money as an oil company. You drill a hole in the ground, catch what comes out, and sell it.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 02, 2017 01:08 PM (SRKgf)
Believe it or not, there are people who actually are drilling into pipelines and stealing the crude. Yeah, the bribery and thievery from the government and criminals is the main culprit. But still.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:10 PM (mbhDw)
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I just hate the idea that someone needs to make an acronym out of a law.
It makes it seem like a high school science project or something.
It appears unserious and adolescent.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot
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MST3K had a skit about cutesy acronyms. Though it was 500 words long.
It makes it seem like a high school science project or something.
It appears unserious and adolescent.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot
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MST3K had a skit about cutesy acronyms. Though it was 500 words long.
Posted by: auscolpyr at August 02, 2017 01:10 PM (suO/a)
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PEMEX (the Mexican national oil company) loses money. Who was it - Ross Perot? - who asked how you can lose money as an oil company. You drill a hole in the ground, catch what comes out, and sell it.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 02, 2017 01:08 PM (SRKgf)
Corruption, incompetence, government interference. Plus if you're pumping heavy sour crude your refining expense is going to be really high IANM. Alberta Oil Peon would know better than any of us.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 02, 2017 01:08 PM (SRKgf)
Corruption, incompetence, government interference. Plus if you're pumping heavy sour crude your refining expense is going to be really high IANM. Alberta Oil Peon would know better than any of us.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 02, 2017 01:10 PM (0mRoj)
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Alleged former CNN employee claims that CNN worked w/ the CBO to
manipulate the CBO report to put the GOP's healthcare bill in a bad
light.
manipulate the CBO report to put the GOP's healthcare bill in a bad
light.
Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at August 02, 2017 01:11 PM (e8kgV)
324
Some judge or two will step on the Raise Act...USSC won't give cert. And that will be that.
Posted by: torabora at August 02, 2017 01:11 PM (O+ghN)
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229 213
Yeah, really good idea. Give the dems supermajorities in the house and senate. Nothing could possibly go wrong there, other than screw over the rest of the country that the dems don't have a hammer lock on...
I'd rather take what I call the "Hang an admiral" route: Target 2 or three rinos, and either beat them in the primaries or get the dem elected via voting 3rd party.
Posted by: Jackal at August 02, 2017 12:52 PM (6p4lE)
I think you missed the words "long term." ICYMI, we have all three branches of government right now and the Obamacare Repeal? Tax Reform? This legislation?
Preventing the Dems from destroying more only goes so far. The trajectory is still the same even when they are out of power.
New political movement must be started and brought to bear.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:54 PM (mbhDw)
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Right now we have stasis. That's preferable to handing the dems supermajorities. And to anyone shocked and spitting fire about Trump not getting anything passed: This was forseeable on the day after election day. Repeat after me: Republicans. Do. NOT. Have. A. Functional. Majority! The first 2 years was always going to be a matter of smoking out traitors and weak links. The reaction i've seen proves a suspicion I've had for a few years: The right is incapable of a "Long March Through the Institutions" because we don't have the patience for it. That lack of patience suggests any attempt to form a 3rd party will end in failure. JMHO.
Yeah, really good idea. Give the dems supermajorities in the house and senate. Nothing could possibly go wrong there, other than screw over the rest of the country that the dems don't have a hammer lock on...
I'd rather take what I call the "Hang an admiral" route: Target 2 or three rinos, and either beat them in the primaries or get the dem elected via voting 3rd party.
Posted by: Jackal at August 02, 2017 12:52 PM (6p4lE)
I think you missed the words "long term." ICYMI, we have all three branches of government right now and the Obamacare Repeal? Tax Reform? This legislation?
Preventing the Dems from destroying more only goes so far. The trajectory is still the same even when they are out of power.
New political movement must be started and brought to bear.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:54 PM (mbhDw)
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Right now we have stasis. That's preferable to handing the dems supermajorities. And to anyone shocked and spitting fire about Trump not getting anything passed: This was forseeable on the day after election day. Repeat after me: Republicans. Do. NOT. Have. A. Functional. Majority! The first 2 years was always going to be a matter of smoking out traitors and weak links. The reaction i've seen proves a suspicion I've had for a few years: The right is incapable of a "Long March Through the Institutions" because we don't have the patience for it. That lack of patience suggests any attempt to form a 3rd party will end in failure. JMHO.
Posted by: Jackal at August 02, 2017 01:11 PM (6p4lE)
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Could you imagine the economy we would have, if they had actually INVESTED the Social Security money?
You think we have cronyism now, imagine what it would be like if the bureaucracy had a 100 trillion dollars to give to their friends.
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Number 1 above is what would happen if the world were a better place and people in government weren't petty, venal, loathsome aholes.
Number 2 is reality. Not a good reality. Even the solutions cause worse problems. The more they do, even in the name of good with good intentions the more it opens the door to us getting giped, because scumbags gotta scumbag.
You think we have cronyism now, imagine what it would be like if the bureaucracy had a 100 trillion dollars to give to their friends.
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Number 1 above is what would happen if the world were a better place and people in government weren't petty, venal, loathsome aholes.
Number 2 is reality. Not a good reality. Even the solutions cause worse problems. The more they do, even in the name of good with good intentions the more it opens the door to us getting giped, because scumbags gotta scumbag.
Posted by: simplemind at August 02, 2017 01:11 PM (Yrk4z)
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BTW they had a movie on Fire on the Mountain about a rancher resisting the government getting his land to build a missile base.So he was a hero.If the government wanted his land to protect some kind of snail he would be a crazy right wing militiaman.
Posted by: steevy at August 02, 2017 01:11 PM (rmVvL)
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"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, within 5 years, there'd be a shortage of sand."
QED
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:00 PM (mbhDw)
Another great argument for single payer comrades.
QED
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:00 PM (mbhDw)
Another great argument for single payer comrades.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 02, 2017 01:11 PM (493sH)
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Easier travel and communication between the old country and the Golden Land have made assimilation more difficult.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 01:08 PM (fA1SL)
Printing everything in English AND Spanish (a pet peeve of mine) doesn't help, either.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 01:08 PM (fA1SL)
Printing everything in English AND Spanish (a pet peeve of mine) doesn't help, either.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 02, 2017 01:11 PM (X6fMO)
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This is a horde-worthy piece from my local paper today. Writer is ranting about several things, including Seattle's minimum wage, and Amtrak. He is not just a good writer, but a local MD.
Enjoy!
http://tinyurl.com/yburyfbw
Enjoy!
http://tinyurl.com/yburyfbw
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 02, 2017 01:11 PM (PY9jH)
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Sock off
Posted by: Soona at August 02, 2017 01:11 PM (Fmupd)
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317 The government took over a whorehouse...and it started losing money.
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Yeah. Most people know it by its common name -- Congress.
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Yeah. Most people know it by its common name -- Congress.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at August 02, 2017 01:12 PM (4AVeu)
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chamber of commerce gonna go off like a north Korean missle
Posted by: simplemind at August 02, 2017 12:51 PM (gKBWm)
Make a lot of noise and smoke, rise up into the air, and then explode into a mass of smoke and debris smelling vaguely like kimchi?
Posted by: simplemind at August 02, 2017 12:51 PM (gKBWm)
Make a lot of noise and smoke, rise up into the air, and then explode into a mass of smoke and debris smelling vaguely like kimchi?
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Find the Dark Linings in the Silver Clouds at the Outrage Outlet! at August 02, 2017 01:12 PM (hLRSq)
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325 That lack of patience suggests any attempt to form a 3rd party will end in failure. JMHO.
Posted by: Jackal at August 02, 2017 01:11 PM (6p4lE)
Seriously, I think one or two more back and forths and we'd have a consensus.
I do agree with you completely vis a vis stasis, etc. I am just thinking long - and I do mean L O N G - term in dealing with the structural problems.
Posted by: Jackal at August 02, 2017 01:11 PM (6p4lE)
Seriously, I think one or two more back and forths and we'd have a consensus.
I do agree with you completely vis a vis stasis, etc. I am just thinking long - and I do mean L O N G - term in dealing with the structural problems.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:12 PM (mbhDw)
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Alleged former CNN employee claims that CNN worked w/ the CBO to
manipulate the CBO report to put the GOP's healthcare bill in a bad
light.
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Gee Willickers that's unbelieveable!
manipulate the CBO report to put the GOP's healthcare bill in a bad
light.
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Gee Willickers that's unbelieveable!
Posted by: simplemind at August 02, 2017 01:12 PM (pnDkh)
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i] Did anyone notice the 'Beyonce Professor' who we were laughing at yesterday has been fired for tweeting his hope that someone would shoot Trump?
He got fired / let-go from Rutgers last year
and now montclair Univ.
He needs to stop tweeting if he wants to remain a 'teacher' at a public school
He got fired / let-go from Rutgers last year
and now montclair Univ.
He needs to stop tweeting if he wants to remain a 'teacher' at a public school
Posted by: McCool at August 02, 2017 01:12 PM (WXSv6)
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I'm in.
Posted by: Deplorable Redneck Bitter Clinger at August 02, 2017 12:18 PM (jAZR9)
How about wearing body paint on one's boobies?
Posted by: Deplorable Redneck Bitter Clinger at August 02, 2017 12:18 PM (jAZR9)
How about wearing body paint on one's boobies?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 02, 2017 01:13 PM (XUcIQ)
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The right is incapable of a "Long March Through the Institutions" because we don't have the patience for it. That lack of patience suggests any attempt to form a 3rd party will end in failure. JMHO.
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I agree with this. I have to stop myself all the time because, dammit, I want it and I want it NOW. Not next week, not in six months, not in two years... NOW!
This shit didn't happen overnight and it can't be fixed overnight.
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I agree with this. I have to stop myself all the time because, dammit, I want it and I want it NOW. Not next week, not in six months, not in two years... NOW!
This shit didn't happen overnight and it can't be fixed overnight.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at August 02, 2017 01:13 PM (vg8iE)
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chamber of commerce gonna go off like a north Korean missle
Posted by: simplemind at August 02, 2017 12:51 PM (gKBWm)
Make a lot of noise and smoke, rise up into the air, and then explode into a mass of smoke and debris smelling vaguely like kimchi?
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Say, you been listening in on my prayers?
Posted by: simplemind at August 02, 2017 12:51 PM (gKBWm)
Make a lot of noise and smoke, rise up into the air, and then explode into a mass of smoke and debris smelling vaguely like kimchi?
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Say, you been listening in on my prayers?
Posted by: simplemind at August 02, 2017 01:13 PM (yPiKZ)
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that Emma Lazarus poem is a crock. The immigrants were welcomed because the sweatshops needed workers and the infrastructure had to be built. Then if they werent turned back due to failing medical screen they were packed like sardines in firetrap tenements. They didn't arrive to a welcoming buffet of full boat entitlements. Idiot SJWs think it was always about 'Muh Diversity.' Cretins.
Posted by: kallisto at August 02, 2017 01:13 PM (n6gcM)
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337
How about wearing body paint on one's boobies?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 02, 2017 01:13 PM (XUcIQ)
La Razor por la desnuda!
How about wearing body paint on one's boobies?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 02, 2017 01:13 PM (XUcIQ)
La Razor por la desnuda!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:14 PM (mbhDw)
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Right now we have stasis.
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And in Provincetown, we have homo-stasis.
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And in Provincetown, we have homo-stasis.
Posted by: Barney Frank at August 02, 2017 01:14 PM (4AVeu)
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Times past you could get a Hummer for a C-note.
ahhhhhhhhhhhhh
Posted by: Bill at August 02, 2017 01:09 PM (5J1TA)
btw, if you're going to get one from a toothless crack-whore, make sure she's really toothless. Having a few left is, er, problematic.
ahhhhhhhhhhhhh
Posted by: Bill at August 02, 2017 01:09 PM (5J1TA)
btw, if you're going to get one from a toothless crack-whore, make sure she's really toothless. Having a few left is, er, problematic.
Posted by: shredded-dick man at August 02, 2017 01:14 PM (z79tQ)
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Could you imagine the economy we would have, if they had actually INVESTED the Social Security money?
Yes, the system would now be the largest wealth holder EVER.... but .... damn...
Posted by: Don Quixote, who loves Science..... but only for its mind at August 02, 2017 12:59 PM (NgKpN)
lol. there was zero chance they ever weren't going to steal that money.
Yes, the system would now be the largest wealth holder EVER.... but .... damn...
Posted by: Don Quixote, who loves Science..... but only for its mind at August 02, 2017 12:59 PM (NgKpN)
lol. there was zero chance they ever weren't going to steal that money.
Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at August 02, 2017 01:14 PM (nFwvY)
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Single payer!
Posted by: Zombie Uncle Joe Stalin, MD at August 02, 2017 01:14 PM (vtcmf)
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Believe it or not, there are people who actually are drilling into pipelines and stealing the crude. Yeah, the bribery and thievery from the government and criminals is the main culprit. But still.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:10 PM (mbhDw)
Seriously, you have to admire their entrepreneurial spirit!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:10 PM (mbhDw)
Seriously, you have to admire their entrepreneurial spirit!
Posted by: H R Clinton at August 02, 2017 01:14 PM (gwPgz)
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Did anyone notice the 'Beyonce Professor' who we were laughing at yesterday has been fired for tweeting his hope that someone would shoot Trump?
He got fired / let-go from Rutgers last year
and now montclair Univ.
He needs to stop tweeting if he wants to remain a 'teacher' at a public school
Posted by: McCool at August 02, 2017 01:12 PM (WXSv6)
Oh noes! Now where are kids going to get the much needed training in Beyonce studies they'll need for the real world?!?
He got fired / let-go from Rutgers last year
and now montclair Univ.
He needs to stop tweeting if he wants to remain a 'teacher' at a public school
Posted by: McCool at August 02, 2017 01:12 PM (WXSv6)
Oh noes! Now where are kids going to get the much needed training in Beyonce studies they'll need for the real world?!?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 02, 2017 01:14 PM (493sH)
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The number of commercial U.S. honeybee colonies rose 3 percent to 2.89 million as of April 1, 2017 compared with a year earlier, the Agriculture Department reported. The number of hives lost to Colony Collapse Disorder, a phenomenon of disappearing bees that has raised concerns among farmers and scientists for a decade, was 84,430 in this year's first quarter, down 27 percent from a year earlier. Year-over-year losses declined by the same percentage in April through June, the most recent data in the survey.
Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at August 02, 2017 01:14 PM (e8kgV)
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The latest thing to force conservatives/Republicans off of social media is the lawsuits saying that blocking is unconstitutional. They go on an pollute some Republican politicians page with filth, then go to court when they get booted.
Because they have a right to tweet that you are Hitler dang it!
I expect it means Republicans will get off of social media.
Because they have a right to tweet that you are Hitler dang it!
I expect it means Republicans will get off of social media.
Posted by: blaster at August 02, 2017 01:15 PM (dUZhM)
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Social Security was a pyramid scheme.Everybody was supposed to die before or shortly after starting to collect.
Posted by: steevy at August 02, 2017 01:15 PM (rmVvL)
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I do agree with you completely vis a vis stasis, etc. I am just thinking long - and I do mean L O N G - term in dealing with the structural problems.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:12 PM (mbhDw)
We should be greatly helped in this with Trump being able to pack the courts and hopefully SCOTUS if he get reelected. He's going to get a majority of the fed judges because of retirements and such. That basically will take the judiciary away from the libs for decades...if it's not a bunch of cuck judges suggested by cuck GOPers.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:12 PM (mbhDw)
We should be greatly helped in this with Trump being able to pack the courts and hopefully SCOTUS if he get reelected. He's going to get a majority of the fed judges because of retirements and such. That basically will take the judiciary away from the libs for decades...if it's not a bunch of cuck judges suggested by cuck GOPers.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 02, 2017 01:15 PM (4ErVI)
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lol. there was zero chance they ever weren't going to steal that money.
Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at August 02, 2017 01:14 PM (nFwvY)
You say that like it's a bad thing!
Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at August 02, 2017 01:14 PM (nFwvY)
You say that like it's a bad thing!
Posted by: H R Clinton at August 02, 2017 01:15 PM (gwPgz)
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It's a smart move. This plays to a large part of the people who elected Trump.
Voting against it put lots of people on the record, especially Democrats for whom the blue collar, minority groups most hurt by the current immigration system are electorally key.
Voting against it put lots of people on the record, especially Democrats for whom the blue collar, minority groups most hurt by the current immigration system are electorally key.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 02, 2017 01:15 PM (6MSTi)
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Could it be that President Trump is going to make valid effort to make
good on all of his campaign promises then after being rebuffed by the
courts and congress he goes before the American people (a well promoted
TV address to the nation) with a list of grievances.
President Trump goes before the nation with a list of grievances and
after elaborating them asks the American people to join him in
expressing their desire for these grievances be addressed immediately.
tic...tic...tic...
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That's what I keep saying.
This is fascinating watching Trump maneuver the Uniparty so deftly--the dumbasses are shoving each other out of the way to see who gets to the top of the gallows first!
Go back and read Trump's Inauguration speech.
He's never said anything near as incendiary since, has he?
The best part of watching this play out is the "Remember: I warned you" part that is coming.
good on all of his campaign promises then after being rebuffed by the
courts and congress he goes before the American people (a well promoted
TV address to the nation) with a list of grievances.
President Trump goes before the nation with a list of grievances and
after elaborating them asks the American people to join him in
expressing their desire for these grievances be addressed immediately.
tic...tic...tic...
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That's what I keep saying.
This is fascinating watching Trump maneuver the Uniparty so deftly--the dumbasses are shoving each other out of the way to see who gets to the top of the gallows first!
Go back and read Trump's Inauguration speech.
He's never said anything near as incendiary since, has he?
The best part of watching this play out is the "Remember: I warned you" part that is coming.
Posted by: RoyalOil at August 02, 2017 01:15 PM (W1XyZ)
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Single prayer!
Posted by: The Pope at August 02, 2017 01:16 PM (4AVeu)
356
New political movement must be started and brought to bear.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:54 PM (mbhDw)
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Right now we have stasis. That's preferable to handing the dems supermajorities. And to anyone shocked and spitting fire about Trump not getting anything passed: This was forseeable on the day after election day. Repeat after me: Republicans. Do. NOT. Have. A. Functional. Majority! The first 2 years was always going to be a matter of smoking out traitors and weak links. The reaction i've seen proves a suspicion I've had for a few years: The right is incapable of a "Long March Through the Institutions" because we don't have the patience for it. That lack of patience suggests any attempt to form a 3rd party will end in failure. JMHO.
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The differences in people's political positions on this website can be explained by where they are on the "FIVE STAGES OF GRIEF". Even the trolls.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 12:54 PM (mbhDw)
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Right now we have stasis. That's preferable to handing the dems supermajorities. And to anyone shocked and spitting fire about Trump not getting anything passed: This was forseeable on the day after election day. Repeat after me: Republicans. Do. NOT. Have. A. Functional. Majority! The first 2 years was always going to be a matter of smoking out traitors and weak links. The reaction i've seen proves a suspicion I've had for a few years: The right is incapable of a "Long March Through the Institutions" because we don't have the patience for it. That lack of patience suggests any attempt to form a 3rd party will end in failure. JMHO.
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The differences in people's political positions on this website can be explained by where they are on the "FIVE STAGES OF GRIEF". Even the trolls.
Posted by: simplemind at August 02, 2017 01:16 PM (gKBWm)
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I thought the the 'Beyonce Professor' was a xhe
Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at August 02, 2017 01:16 PM (e8kgV)
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Could we put something in there about advantaging people under threat of genocide? Not that I expect our State Department to recognize a genocide even if a mob of Hutus rampaged through the Truman Building and hacked them all to pieces.
Posted by: Socratease at August 02, 2017 01:16 PM (FqHs5)
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This is how immigration worked before Ted F'in Kennedy (D Traitor) got ahold of it & destroyed merit-based immigration in the 60's under the bogus "pressure relief" philosophy.
Posted by: West at August 02, 2017 01:16 PM (1Rgee)
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@354 pacing and leading
Posted by: blaster at August 02, 2017 01:16 PM (dUZhM)
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357 I thought the the 'Beyonce Professor' was a xhe
Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at August 02, 2017 01:16 PM (e8kgV)
Just a xhomo
Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at August 02, 2017 01:16 PM (e8kgV)
Just a xhomo
Posted by: Insomniac at August 02, 2017 01:17 PM (0mRoj)
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351 Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 02, 2017 01:15 PM (4ErVI)
I really do think PDT has the potential after his 8 years, please God, are over, to really start, well, let's call it a "movement" since the concept of 3rd party is rather toxic (and I do agree).
That is the way we really MAGA. It took 100 years to fuck things up so it will perhaps take at least 20 years to initially reverse course to some degree. I'm down for that struggle.
I really do think PDT has the potential after his 8 years, please God, are over, to really start, well, let's call it a "movement" since the concept of 3rd party is rather toxic (and I do agree).
That is the way we really MAGA. It took 100 years to fuck things up so it will perhaps take at least 20 years to initially reverse course to some degree. I'm down for that struggle.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:17 PM (mbhDw)
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The differences in people's political positions on this website can be explained by where they are on the "FIVE STAGES OF GRIEF".
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I may have to add a sixth.
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I may have to add a sixth.
Posted by: Elisabeth Kubler-Ross at August 02, 2017 01:17 PM (vg8iE)
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340 that Emma Lazarus poem is a crock. The immigrants were welcomed because the sweatshops needed workers and the infrastructure had to be built. Then if they werent turned back due to failing medical screen they were packed like sardines in firetrap tenements. They didn't arrive to a welcoming buffet of full boat entitlements. Idiot SJWs think it was always about 'Muh Diversity.' Cretins.
Posted by: kallisto at August 02, 2017 01:13 PM (n6gcM)
Earlier they needed cannon fodder to defeat the Confederacy. Lots of Irish casualties on those battlefields.
Posted by: kallisto at August 02, 2017 01:13 PM (n6gcM)
Earlier they needed cannon fodder to defeat the Confederacy. Lots of Irish casualties on those battlefields.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 02, 2017 01:18 PM (4ErVI)
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Lamar Alexander reaches out across the aisle to work with the Donks on healthcare.
Bonus! Good [i.e., Enfuriating] political cartoon at link.
https://tinyurl.com/y8znul6l
Bonus! Good [i.e., Enfuriating] political cartoon at link.
https://tinyurl.com/y8znul6l
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 02, 2017 01:18 PM (Nwg0u)
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Just back from Italy and I was so pissed when the locals answered me in English! I'm trying to learn Dago, dammit!
Still, your point is taken. It is a sign of respect no matter how badly you foul up.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:04 PM (mbhDw)
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I can understand why they answered back in english. They understood you were showing respect and they met you halfway. And the locals might have been in a hurry. Sounds like the Italians are more polite than the Frenchies.
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So I guess the strategery is to put the Party in the hot spot before the election.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:03 PM (mbhDw)
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Now you get it. This is a wedge issue, and I'm guessing Trump intends to use it as such against vulnerable Ds in blue collar states (Stabenow, etc) as well as RINOs (Flake, etc.). Thats how you break this impasse.
Still, your point is taken. It is a sign of respect no matter how badly you foul up.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:04 PM (mbhDw)
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I can understand why they answered back in english. They understood you were showing respect and they met you halfway. And the locals might have been in a hurry. Sounds like the Italians are more polite than the Frenchies.
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So I guess the strategery is to put the Party in the hot spot before the election.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:03 PM (mbhDw)
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Now you get it. This is a wedge issue, and I'm guessing Trump intends to use it as such against vulnerable Ds in blue collar states (Stabenow, etc) as well as RINOs (Flake, etc.). Thats how you break this impasse.
Posted by: Jackal at August 02, 2017 01:18 PM (6p4lE)
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I do agree with you completely vis a vis stasis, etc. I am just thinking long - and I do mean L O N G - term in dealing with the structural problems.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:12 PM (mbhDw)
Cure up the line about long-enough timelines here, but the real issue is about time to impact versus reforms passed quick enough to avoid impact. The stress many of us feel is due in large part to not opening the chute despite being in free fall under 1k alt.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:12 PM (mbhDw)
Cure up the line about long-enough timelines here, but the real issue is about time to impact versus reforms passed quick enough to avoid impact. The stress many of us feel is due in large part to not opening the chute despite being in free fall under 1k alt.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 02, 2017 01:18 PM (z79tQ)
368
Trump: Making Hives Great Again
Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 02, 2017 01:18 PM (6iUC+)
369
Irish fought for the Confederacy too.
Posted by: steevy at August 02, 2017 01:19 PM (rmVvL)
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The United States population has risen from just over 200 Million in 1970 to over 320 Million today, or by almost 60%.
And, in my lifetime, I have seen every small town I knew as a boy and young man have most of its woods cut down, ugly houses put on top of each other, farms subdivided and sold for condos, traffic lights put on every street corner and what was once small town America turned into suburban megalopolis.
But by all means people who claim to care about the environment and quality of life, lets turn into Calcutta.
And, in my lifetime, I have seen every small town I knew as a boy and young man have most of its woods cut down, ugly houses put on top of each other, farms subdivided and sold for condos, traffic lights put on every street corner and what was once small town America turned into suburban megalopolis.
But by all means people who claim to care about the environment and quality of life, lets turn into Calcutta.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at August 02, 2017 01:19 PM (aPr7V)
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>>338
The right is incapable of a "Long March Through the Institutions"
because we don't have the patience for it. That lack of patience
suggests any attempt to form a 3rd party will end in failure. JMHO.
This is true. Your average conservative is too busy working hard at a job, raising kids, and being normal to engage in the relentless, politically broad-and-deep, invasive-weed business of getting a seat on the local District Sewer Maintenance and Correction Subcommittee, whence come the collectivist cadres.
The right is incapable of a "Long March Through the Institutions"
because we don't have the patience for it. That lack of patience
suggests any attempt to form a 3rd party will end in failure. JMHO.
This is true. Your average conservative is too busy working hard at a job, raising kids, and being normal to engage in the relentless, politically broad-and-deep, invasive-weed business of getting a seat on the local District Sewer Maintenance and Correction Subcommittee, whence come the collectivist cadres.
Posted by: Zod at August 02, 2017 01:19 PM (Bdeb0)
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When I hear the D.C. mandarinate blustering about "skills-based immigration", I recall the case here in the SF Bay Area, in which girls with less than high school educations were being brought in on H-1B visas which described them as highly trained software engineers urgently needed for the local high-tech industry.
The girls in question, all of them underage, were then, upon arrival here in the States, forced into working as prostitutes, servicing thirty johns a day.
The girls in question, all of them underage, were then, upon arrival here in the States, forced into working as prostitutes, servicing thirty johns a day.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 02, 2017 01:20 PM (ujwCG)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 02, 2017 01:21 PM (p+Wdc)
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358. I'd say no. Refugees go and stay in the nearest safe nation.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 01:21 PM (fA1SL)
375
I am just thinking long - and I do mean L O N G - term in dealing with the structural problems.
We are sadly past the event horizon financially. When sovereign interest rates return to their historical norm of 3-5%, the entire, the entire, income tax take of the US will be required just to service our debt.
The bonening is inevitable.
We are sadly past the event horizon financially. When sovereign interest rates return to their historical norm of 3-5%, the entire, the entire, income tax take of the US will be required just to service our debt.
The bonening is inevitable.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 02, 2017 01:21 PM (6iUC+)
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372 When I hear the D.C. mandarinate blustering about "skills-based immigration", I recall the case here in the SF Bay Area, in which girls with less than high school educations were being brought in on H-1B visas which described them as highly trained software engineers urgently needed for the local high-tech industry.
The girls in question, all of them underage, were then, upon arrival here in the States, forced into working as prostitutes, servicing thirty johns a day.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 02, 2017 01:20 PM (ujwCG)
I just read about that yesterday. South Korean chicks and it was tech workers exploiting them.
http://projects.seattletimes.com/2017/eastside-prostitution-bust/
The girls in question, all of them underage, were then, upon arrival here in the States, forced into working as prostitutes, servicing thirty johns a day.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 02, 2017 01:20 PM (ujwCG)
I just read about that yesterday. South Korean chicks and it was tech workers exploiting them.
http://projects.seattletimes.com/2017/eastside-prostitution-bust/
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 02, 2017 01:21 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: King Missile at August 02, 2017 01:21 PM (xAvrH)
378
Right now we have stasis. That's preferable to handing the dems supermajorities. And to anyone shocked and spitting fire about Trump not getting anything passed: This was forseeable on the day after election day. Repeat after me: Republicans. Do. NOT. Have. A. Functional. Majority! The first 2 years was always going to be a matter of smoking out traitors and weak links. The reaction i've seen proves a suspicion I've had for a few years: The right is incapable of a "Long March Through the Institutions" because we don't have the patience for it. That lack of patience suggests any attempt to form a 3rd party will end in failure. JMHO.
Posted by: Jackal at August 02, 2017 01:11 PM (6p4lE)
Okay, Jackal, please answer my question from yesterday:
Please state for me an exact number of seats that the Republicans must hold in the House and in the Senate in order for Republican legislation to pass.
In serious. I want an exact number. What numbers must be achieved before action can be taken?
I don't want blather. I want a concrete number. So, tell me, tell me true. Please set out for me that numbers needed.
Posted by: Jackal at August 02, 2017 01:11 PM (6p4lE)
Okay, Jackal, please answer my question from yesterday:
Please state for me an exact number of seats that the Republicans must hold in the House and in the Senate in order for Republican legislation to pass.
In serious. I want an exact number. What numbers must be achieved before action can be taken?
I don't want blather. I want a concrete number. So, tell me, tell me true. Please set out for me that numbers needed.
Posted by: alexthechick - summons the Parallamas at August 02, 2017 01:22 PM (mf5HN)
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369 Irish fought for the Confederacy too.
Posted by: steevy at August 02, 2017 01:19 PM (rmVvL)
Mickey Grits!
Posted by: steevy at August 02, 2017 01:19 PM (rmVvL)
Mickey Grits!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:22 PM (mbhDw)
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My problem though with a 3rd party is I honestly believe you would have all the same exact issues we currently have with the Republican Party.
I don't know how you would enforce any sort of ideological consistency unless you just had a sliver of the population participating in primaries in which case how do you then win a general election when you're only getting like 30% of the vote.
It probably would torpedo the current GOP, but I could see at least a decade of Democrat dominance in which case we would look like Venezuela.
The easier answer is get rid of the McCains of the GOP and elect more people like Rand Paul and Ted Cruz.
I don't know how you would enforce any sort of ideological consistency unless you just had a sliver of the population participating in primaries in which case how do you then win a general election when you're only getting like 30% of the vote.
It probably would torpedo the current GOP, but I could see at least a decade of Democrat dominance in which case we would look like Venezuela.
The easier answer is get rid of the McCains of the GOP and elect more people like Rand Paul and Ted Cruz.
Posted by: Maritime at August 02, 2017 01:22 PM (ycAdZ)
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The right is incapable of a "Long March Through the Institutions"
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Well, the GOP is taking a long march off a short pier.
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Well, the GOP is taking a long march off a short pier.
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 02, 2017 01:22 PM (Nwg0u)
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330 This is a horde-worthy piece from my local paper today. Writer is ranting about several things, including Seattle's minimum wage, and Amtrak. He is not just a good writer, but a local MD.
Enjoy!
http://tinyurl.com/yburyfbw
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 02, 2017 01:11 PM (PY9jH)
I like his rant about the service in a restaurant. We were in the USSR and immediately learned the word "zagrito" ("closed"), because we heard it in every restaurant, kiosk, and concierge station, while the "employees" stood around chatting or reading newspapers.
They couldn't even be bribed to do their jobs, apparently because they didn't get to keep the bribes.
Enjoy!
http://tinyurl.com/yburyfbw
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 02, 2017 01:11 PM (PY9jH)
I like his rant about the service in a restaurant. We were in the USSR and immediately learned the word "zagrito" ("closed"), because we heard it in every restaurant, kiosk, and concierge station, while the "employees" stood around chatting or reading newspapers.
They couldn't even be bribed to do their jobs, apparently because they didn't get to keep the bribes.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 02, 2017 01:23 PM (SRKgf)
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>>This is a wedge issue, and I'm guessing Trump intends to use it as such
against vulnerable Ds in blue collar states (Stabenow, etc) as well as
RINOs (Flake, etc.). Thats how you break this impasse.
Paul Ryan's bizarro "build the dang wall!" thingy yesterday is a good indication that you're right!
against vulnerable Ds in blue collar states (Stabenow, etc) as well as
RINOs (Flake, etc.). Thats how you break this impasse.
Paul Ryan's bizarro "build the dang wall!" thingy yesterday is a good indication that you're right!
Posted by: Lizzy at August 02, 2017 01:23 PM (NOIQH)
384
I do agree with you completely vis a vis stasis, etc. I am just thinking long - and I do mean L O N G - term in dealing with the structural problems.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:12 PM (mbhDw)
THERE'S NO TIME!!!!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:12 PM (mbhDw)
THERE'S NO TIME!!!!
Posted by: Jack Bauer, with a head in his duffel bag at August 02, 2017 01:24 PM (z79tQ)
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Seriously, I think one or two more back and forths and we'd have a consensus.
I do agree with you completely vis a vis stasis, etc. I am just thinking long - and I do mean L O N G - term in dealing with the structural problems.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:12 PM (mbhDw)
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I actually think a 3rd party pressure group might work in NY State, because of the way the party system is set up. Viability is going to depend on the individual state election laws. Here in LA, the parties are so weak due to the jungle primary system that a better route might be a nonpartisan pressure group of some sort. Ultimately, this is going to require people on the right doing the hard work of showing up at committee meetings and throwing their weight around.
I do agree with you completely vis a vis stasis, etc. I am just thinking long - and I do mean L O N G - term in dealing with the structural problems.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:12 PM (mbhDw)
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I actually think a 3rd party pressure group might work in NY State, because of the way the party system is set up. Viability is going to depend on the individual state election laws. Here in LA, the parties are so weak due to the jungle primary system that a better route might be a nonpartisan pressure group of some sort. Ultimately, this is going to require people on the right doing the hard work of showing up at committee meetings and throwing their weight around.
Posted by: Jackal at August 02, 2017 01:25 PM (6p4lE)
386
Mexico finally started allowing private foreign oil companies to drill there, and guess what, they're making money.
Posted by: stace at August 02, 2017 01:25 PM (7RvOV)
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For the never Trumpers out there, tell me how we'd ever see anything like this come out of any of the other so called "conservative" or GOPe candidates. Not even Cruz.
So you can all stick it in your eye.
This is a debate long overdue out in the sunlight, and if Trump handles it right he'll pop 15% easy.
So you can all stick it in your eye.
This is a debate long overdue out in the sunlight, and if Trump handles it right he'll pop 15% easy.
Posted by: The real Henderson James at August 02, 2017 01:25 PM (7A6l6)
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Irish fought for the Confederacy too.
Posted by: steevy at August 02, 2017 01:19 PM (rmVvL)
Some did, but they were Outliers--especially if they were Orangemen and not Catholic. The massive Irish immigration wave was going through NYC, Boston, Philadelphia and the vast majority fought (some unwillingly) for The Union....
Posted by: steevy at August 02, 2017 01:19 PM (rmVvL)
Some did, but they were Outliers--especially if they were Orangemen and not Catholic. The massive Irish immigration wave was going through NYC, Boston, Philadelphia and the vast majority fought (some unwillingly) for The Union....
Posted by: JoeF. at August 02, 2017 01:25 PM (7uYFy)
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WashTimes headline: "John Podesta Haunted By Hillary Clinton's Loss: 'I Lose Sleep About That Every Night.'"
C'est magnifique.
C'est magnifique.
Posted by: Zod at August 02, 2017 01:25 PM (Bdeb0)
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>>The girls in question, all of them underage, were then, upon arrival
here in the States, forced into working as prostitutes, servicing thirty
johns a day.
That horrible!
Also wondering why everyone assumes the NYC "desnudas" are doing this willingly, considering that they have pimps who "hold their money for them, "etc. How do we know this is not indentured servitude for getting them across the border?
here in the States, forced into working as prostitutes, servicing thirty
johns a day.
That horrible!
Also wondering why everyone assumes the NYC "desnudas" are doing this willingly, considering that they have pimps who "hold their money for them, "etc. How do we know this is not indentured servitude for getting them across the border?
Posted by: Lizzy at August 02, 2017 01:26 PM (NOIQH)
391
Trump needs to do some prime time speeches directly to the public - his rallies are good but that is preaching to the choir. If he did an Oval Office speech or something like that, pushing his agenda he would a larger audience. I read that Reagan did 3 speeches to push his tax cut agenda and the Dem held the senate then I think.
Posted by: IC at August 02, 2017 01:26 PM (a0IVu)
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The GOP couldn't legislate a trip to the outhouse.
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 02, 2017 01:26 PM (Nwg0u)
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"The New Fireside Chats.
Posted by: Don Quixote"
ha, yeah ... but those were a one and done. A well done video would be etched in digital stone as "The Trump Doctrine" (we never knew the Obama Doctrine, other than a vague "God Damn America")
We spend a million bucks on a single tomahawk (or whatever) ... that persuade a few enemies I guess. But the war against the globalists ... a million on a well done policy position, with follow up linked detail as needed. THAT is what we must have.
The Soviets infiltrated in the 50s, 60s by capturing our institutions via "free love" and other ideas carried via music and Timothy Leary drop out style culture. MSM wins by carpet bombing with false narratives, but now has interference. People are ready for strategic precision guided truth bombs, Trump owns the bully pulpit. (how much could be packed into 5-10 minutes on the golden shower BS, or Mueller's ignoring Hillary to attack the drain the swamp guy? But the immigration/MS-13 stuff is even more fundamental)
The internet is forever as they say ... the shiftiness and lies can't be so easily revised away ... if Trump gets Kelly to lay out a digital war plan. People want the red pill ... light dispels darkness ... good over evil ... all that
Posted by: Don Quixote"
ha, yeah ... but those were a one and done. A well done video would be etched in digital stone as "The Trump Doctrine" (we never knew the Obama Doctrine, other than a vague "God Damn America")
We spend a million bucks on a single tomahawk (or whatever) ... that persuade a few enemies I guess. But the war against the globalists ... a million on a well done policy position, with follow up linked detail as needed. THAT is what we must have.
The Soviets infiltrated in the 50s, 60s by capturing our institutions via "free love" and other ideas carried via music and Timothy Leary drop out style culture. MSM wins by carpet bombing with false narratives, but now has interference. People are ready for strategic precision guided truth bombs, Trump owns the bully pulpit. (how much could be packed into 5-10 minutes on the golden shower BS, or Mueller's ignoring Hillary to attack the drain the swamp guy? But the immigration/MS-13 stuff is even more fundamental)
The internet is forever as they say ... the shiftiness and lies can't be so easily revised away ... if Trump gets Kelly to lay out a digital war plan. People want the red pill ... light dispels darkness ... good over evil ... all that
Posted by: illiniwek at August 02, 2017 01:27 PM (b+0FS)
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My problem though with a 3rd party is I honestly believe you would have all the same exact issues we currently have with the Republican Party.
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Yep. See the comments made about investing social security.
The people in charge in the end, always self select toward being self dealing, venal, loathsome aholes. we occasionally get some decent presidents but only occasionally. The good reps or senators (?) don't last and don't amount to much.
Like Friedman said, we have to find a way to motivate lousy people into doing the right thing. Or as George Washington said about the same problem but looking at it before it started: political parties will be the death of this nation.
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Yep. See the comments made about investing social security.
The people in charge in the end, always self select toward being self dealing, venal, loathsome aholes. we occasionally get some decent presidents but only occasionally. The good reps or senators (?) don't last and don't amount to much.
Like Friedman said, we have to find a way to motivate lousy people into doing the right thing. Or as George Washington said about the same problem but looking at it before it started: political parties will be the death of this nation.
Posted by: simplemind at August 02, 2017 01:27 PM (yPiKZ)
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This is a wedge issue, and I'm guessing Trump intends to use it as such
against vulnerable Ds in blue collar states (Stabenow, etc) as well as
RINOs (Flake, etc.). Thats how you break this impasse.
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Paul Ryan's bizarro "build the dang wall!" thingy yesterday is a good indication that you're right!
Posted by: Lizzy at August 02, 2017 01:23 PM (NOIQH)
Yep, Trump is going to have these chumps running in circles, chasing after his tweets, which is what he did to the primary candidate field.
It's probably the biggest complaint Flaky Flake had in his little tantrum article yesterday. His only substance was something about Russia Russia Russia, and a little about free trade (whatever the hell that is), but it was mostly being mad that Trump is tweeting.
against vulnerable Ds in blue collar states (Stabenow, etc) as well as
RINOs (Flake, etc.). Thats how you break this impasse.
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Paul Ryan's bizarro "build the dang wall!" thingy yesterday is a good indication that you're right!
Posted by: Lizzy at August 02, 2017 01:23 PM (NOIQH)
Yep, Trump is going to have these chumps running in circles, chasing after his tweets, which is what he did to the primary candidate field.
It's probably the biggest complaint Flaky Flake had in his little tantrum article yesterday. His only substance was something about Russia Russia Russia, and a little about free trade (whatever the hell that is), but it was mostly being mad that Trump is tweeting.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 02, 2017 01:27 PM (TOk1P)
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I just read about that yesterday. South Korean chicks and it was tech workers exploiting them.
http://projects.seattletimes.com/2017/eastside-prostitution-bust/
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 02, 2017 01:21 PM (4ErVI)
Sounds like a hardware problem.
http://projects.seattletimes.com/2017/eastside-prostitution-bust/
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 02, 2017 01:21 PM (4ErVI)
Sounds like a hardware problem.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at August 02, 2017 01:28 PM (tbOMB)
397
386 Mexico finally started allowing private foreign oil companies to drill there, and guess what, they're making money.
Posted by: stace at August 02, 2017 01:25 PM (7RvOV)
It's almost as if there's a moral there.
Posted by: stace at August 02, 2017 01:25 PM (7RvOV)
It's almost as if there's a moral there.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 02, 2017 01:28 PM (SRKgf)
398
391 Trump needs to do some prime time speeches directly to the public - his rallies are good but that is preaching to the choir. If he did an Oval Office speech or something like that, pushing his agenda he would a larger audience. I read that Reagan did 3 speeches to push his tax cut agenda and the Dem held the senate then I think.
Posted by: IC at August 02, 2017 01:26 PM (a0IVu)
I was pretty young but I do remember seeing one of those early Reagan addresses. He used props I believe.
Posted by: IC at August 02, 2017 01:26 PM (a0IVu)
I was pretty young but I do remember seeing one of those early Reagan addresses. He used props I believe.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 02, 2017 01:28 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:28 PM (mbhDw)
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Okay, Jackal, please answer my question from yesterday:
Please state for me an exact number of seats that the Republicans must hold in the House and in the Senate in order for Republican legislation to pass.
In serious. I want an exact number. What numbers must be achieved before action can be taken?
I don't want blather. I want a concrete number. So, tell me, tell me true. Please set out for me that numbers needed.
Posted by: alexthechick - summons the Parallamas at August 02, 2017 01:22 PM (mf5HN)
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Provided no shithead RINOs mugging for the MFM? 51. Right now, I'd guess there are maybe 45 real Rs in the Senate. Note, I'm not saying they're conservative, just that they could probably be browbeaten into doing the right thing.
Please state for me an exact number of seats that the Republicans must hold in the House and in the Senate in order for Republican legislation to pass.
In serious. I want an exact number. What numbers must be achieved before action can be taken?
I don't want blather. I want a concrete number. So, tell me, tell me true. Please set out for me that numbers needed.
Posted by: alexthechick - summons the Parallamas at August 02, 2017 01:22 PM (mf5HN)
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Provided no shithead RINOs mugging for the MFM? 51. Right now, I'd guess there are maybe 45 real Rs in the Senate. Note, I'm not saying they're conservative, just that they could probably be browbeaten into doing the right thing.
Posted by: Jackal at August 02, 2017 01:29 PM (6p4lE)
401
Deep down, I hope and pray TGE can get this and other things accomplished, that the disease is not so far advanced as to require a more radical intervention. As we've sussed out here - Tea Party was asking nicely, Donny Two-Scoops is raising our voice a bit. What follows.....will make Pinochet look like an anarcho-communist with a gender studies degree and a tumblr account.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 01:29 PM (cGZ+Z)
402
I like the idea of a strategic 3rd party, basically for just the purpose of torpedoing especially bad Republicans in a few races.
So like a McCain for example that can never be beat in a primary, you run a 3rd party and just hand it to the Democrat.
If the GOPe knew that we would go kamikaze, they would play ball with us. We would just need to make a few examples.
But its tough to effectively organize something like that.
So like a McCain for example that can never be beat in a primary, you run a 3rd party and just hand it to the Democrat.
If the GOPe knew that we would go kamikaze, they would play ball with us. We would just need to make a few examples.
But its tough to effectively organize something like that.
Posted by: Maritime at August 02, 2017 01:29 PM (ycAdZ)
403
Trump needs to do some prime time speeches directly to the public - his rallies are good but that is preaching to the choir. If he did an Oval Office speech or something like that, pushing his agenda he would a larger audience. I read that Reagan did 3 speeches to push his tax cut agenda and the Dem held the senate then I think.
Posted by: IC at August 02, 2017 01:26 PM (a0IVu)
Been saying this for weeks. He also needs to bring up shit in these speeches that the MSM ain't touching.
Virtually no one but political junkies kow anything about the Pakistani IT guy and his grifter family..
Tell hard-working Americans that a foreigner was making 3x what they make a year for a part time job spying on them and watch the sparks fly...
Posted by: IC at August 02, 2017 01:26 PM (a0IVu)
Been saying this for weeks. He also needs to bring up shit in these speeches that the MSM ain't touching.
Virtually no one but political junkies kow anything about the Pakistani IT guy and his grifter family..
Tell hard-working Americans that a foreigner was making 3x what they make a year for a part time job spying on them and watch the sparks fly...
Posted by: JoeF. at August 02, 2017 01:30 PM (7uYFy)
404
The right is incapable of a "Long March Through the Institutions"
...that's not QUITE right.
The Right as it exists currently probably can't. What the Right morphs into if we continue to be oppressed and ignored...they could march through the Institutions, the way Sherman Marched through Georgia.
No, I'm not being cute. I'm talking Red Dawn kinds of vigilantism. We aren't there yet.
Yet.
...that's not QUITE right.
The Right as it exists currently probably can't. What the Right morphs into if we continue to be oppressed and ignored...they could march through the Institutions, the way Sherman Marched through Georgia.
No, I'm not being cute. I'm talking Red Dawn kinds of vigilantism. We aren't there yet.
Yet.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 02, 2017 01:30 PM (3OIiX)
405
That horrible!
Also wondering why everyone assumes the NYC "desnudas" are doing this willingly, considering that they have pimps who "hold their money for them, "etc. How do we know this is not indentured servitude for getting them across the border?
Posted by: Lizzy at August 02, 2017 01:26 PM (NOIQH)
There was a time when the girls in the peep show booths that used to be in Times Square were mainly Asian, primarily Vietnamese IIRC. Yeah, the odds that there were there voluntarily rather than as some kind of indentured servant, at best, were very low.
Also wondering why everyone assumes the NYC "desnudas" are doing this willingly, considering that they have pimps who "hold their money for them, "etc. How do we know this is not indentured servitude for getting them across the border?
Posted by: Lizzy at August 02, 2017 01:26 PM (NOIQH)
There was a time when the girls in the peep show booths that used to be in Times Square were mainly Asian, primarily Vietnamese IIRC. Yeah, the odds that there were there voluntarily rather than as some kind of indentured servant, at best, were very low.
Posted by: alexthechick - summons the Parallamas at August 02, 2017 01:31 PM (mf5HN)
406
How do we know this is not indentured servitude for getting them across the border?
Posted by: Lizzy at August 02, 2017 01:26 PM (NOIQH)
Just think, this is what is going on in full public view and then consider what is probably going on behind the gates of "private" communities!
Posted by: Lizzy at August 02, 2017 01:26 PM (NOIQH)
Just think, this is what is going on in full public view and then consider what is probably going on behind the gates of "private" communities!
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 02, 2017 01:31 PM (gwPgz)
407
Trump needs to do some prime time speeches directly to the public - his rallies are good but that is preaching to the choir. If he did an Oval Office speech or something like that, pushing his agenda he would a larger audience. I read that Reagan did 3 speeches to push his tax cut agenda and the Dem held the senate then I think.
Posted by: IC at August 02, 2017 01:26 PM (a0IVu)
Different time. Reagan could speak over the media, directly to the American people.
I don't think the networks are remotely interested in allowing Trump to do so.
Posted by: IC at August 02, 2017 01:26 PM (a0IVu)
Different time. Reagan could speak over the media, directly to the American people.
I don't think the networks are remotely interested in allowing Trump to do so.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 02, 2017 01:31 PM (TOk1P)
408
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 01:29 PM (cGZ+Z)
Who wants to go for a helicopter ride?
That Iowa State Fair appearance was prophetic.
Who wants to go for a helicopter ride?
That Iowa State Fair appearance was prophetic.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 02, 2017 01:31 PM (4ErVI)
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Paul Ryan's bizarro "build the dang wall!" thingy yesterday is a good indication that you're right
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Right, he's polling horribly and now he's going to put on a show. Knowing full well we'll never get a wall because everyone else, who isn't up for election soon will vote with the COC. Thus Ryan can say, but knows it will never come to pass and he will never have to pay a price for lying. Ever, because his "vote" will be for the wall, at a time when he knows there will not be enough votes for it. Its all a show. Just look at Obamacare. They have been pulling these "Show votes" crap for decades.
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Right, he's polling horribly and now he's going to put on a show. Knowing full well we'll never get a wall because everyone else, who isn't up for election soon will vote with the COC. Thus Ryan can say, but knows it will never come to pass and he will never have to pay a price for lying. Ever, because his "vote" will be for the wall, at a time when he knows there will not be enough votes for it. Its all a show. Just look at Obamacare. They have been pulling these "Show votes" crap for decades.
Posted by: simplemind at August 02, 2017 01:32 PM (ewM2R)
410
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 01:29 PM (cGZ+Z)
Who is Donny Two Scoops?
Who is Donny Two Scoops?
Posted by: kraken at August 02, 2017 01:32 PM (pL6Vz)
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402 I like the idea of a strategic 3rd party, basically for just the purpose of torpedoing especially bad Republicans in a few races.
So like a McCain for example that can never be beat in a primary, you run a 3rd party and just hand it to the Democrat.
If the GOPe knew that we would go kamikaze, they would play ball with us. We would just need to make a few examples.
But its tough to effectively organize something like that.
Posted by: Maritime at August 02, 2017 01:29 PM (ycAdZ)
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Yep. And it's not as cathatric as screaming "F**k the GOP" and voting straight ticket D or sitting home in anger. But its the only practical way to get things under control.
So like a McCain for example that can never be beat in a primary, you run a 3rd party and just hand it to the Democrat.
If the GOPe knew that we would go kamikaze, they would play ball with us. We would just need to make a few examples.
But its tough to effectively organize something like that.
Posted by: Maritime at August 02, 2017 01:29 PM (ycAdZ)
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Yep. And it's not as cathatric as screaming "F**k the GOP" and voting straight ticket D or sitting home in anger. But its the only practical way to get things under control.
Posted by: Jackal at August 02, 2017 01:32 PM (6p4lE)
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I'm forever grateful that there was no such thing as ESL classes in school when my grandfather was a young'n.
Posted by: Furious George at August
Yep. Of course his parents would not have let him take the class.
Posted by: Furious George at August
Yep. Of course his parents would not have let him take the class.
Posted by: yankeefifth at August 02, 2017 01:32 PM (0wem/)
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Trump owns the bully pulpit. (how much could be packed into 5-10 minutes on the golden shower BS, or Mueller's ignoring Hillary to attack the drain the swamp guy? But the immigration/MS-13 stuff is even more fundamental)
The internet is forever as they say ... the shiftiness and lies can't be so easily revised away ... if Trump gets Kelly to lay out a digital war plan. People want the red pill ... light dispels darkness ... good over evil ... all that
Posted by: illiniwek at August 02, 2017 01:27 PM (b+0FS)
Yep. Keep the video clips short: maybe five minutes or so, and punchy. Most people's attention span isn't much longer than that.
Even in the lecture context, with a captive audience, I used to plan on 10 minute segments, between which I'd slow down, recap, and let the audience relax a bit. Why? Because that's how TV shows are structured.
It works.
The internet is forever as they say ... the shiftiness and lies can't be so easily revised away ... if Trump gets Kelly to lay out a digital war plan. People want the red pill ... light dispels darkness ... good over evil ... all that
Posted by: illiniwek at August 02, 2017 01:27 PM (b+0FS)
Yep. Keep the video clips short: maybe five minutes or so, and punchy. Most people's attention span isn't much longer than that.
Even in the lecture context, with a captive audience, I used to plan on 10 minute segments, between which I'd slow down, recap, and let the audience relax a bit. Why? Because that's how TV shows are structured.
It works.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 02, 2017 01:32 PM (SRKgf)
414
Somebody ask Jeff Flake if Senators Cotton and Perdue are making a "Faustian bargain" by working with Trump in any way.
Posted by: steevy at August 02, 2017 01:32 PM (rmVvL)
415
408. Yep. TGE memes in all timelines.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 01:32 PM (cGZ+Z)
416
Funny stuff on the interwebz today - some at State are upset that Rex isn't spending all of the available funds.
Snort.
Snort.
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at August 02, 2017 01:32 PM (MINbv)
417
Deep down, I hope and pray TGE can get this and other things accomplished, that the disease is not so far advanced as to require a more radical intervention. As we've sussed out here - Tea Party was asking nicely, Donny Two-Scoops is raising our voice a bit. What follows.....will make Pinochet look like an anarcho-communist with a gender studies degree and a tumblr account.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 01:29 PM (cGZ+Z)
Yup.
Take a look at Kurt Schlicter or C.J. Carella have written, or heck R.A.H's Starship Trooper's backstory started with vets tired of politicians getting soldiers killed and refusing any accountability.
Something that can't last forever, won't. To borrow a quote.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 01:29 PM (cGZ+Z)
Yup.
Take a look at Kurt Schlicter or C.J. Carella have written, or heck R.A.H's Starship Trooper's backstory started with vets tired of politicians getting soldiers killed and refusing any accountability.
Something that can't last forever, won't. To borrow a quote.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 02, 2017 01:33 PM (3OIiX)
418
My 3rd party name would be TOGs. The Other Guys.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 02, 2017 01:33 PM (6iUC+)
419
For the never Trumpers out there, tell me how we'd ever see anything like this come out of any of the other so called "conservative" or GOPe candidates. Not even Cruz.
So you can all stick it in your eye.
This is a debate long overdue out in the sunlight, and if Trump handles it right he'll pop 15% easy.
Posted by: The real Henderson James
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You are correct about that.
The official TruCon position was more immigrants.
Even Ted Cruz wanted to literally double the number of work visas for Mexico alone.
Over and over again, the GOP had the mantra "we want a LOT more immigrants, we just want some border resources also to shut up the mouth breathers!!"
All so Democrats wouldn't call Republicans racists, which they do anyway no matter what.
So you can all stick it in your eye.
This is a debate long overdue out in the sunlight, and if Trump handles it right he'll pop 15% easy.
Posted by: The real Henderson James
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You are correct about that.
The official TruCon position was more immigrants.
Even Ted Cruz wanted to literally double the number of work visas for Mexico alone.
Over and over again, the GOP had the mantra "we want a LOT more immigrants, we just want some border resources also to shut up the mouth breathers!!"
All so Democrats wouldn't call Republicans racists, which they do anyway no matter what.
Posted by: Maritime at August 02, 2017 01:33 PM (ycAdZ)
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I don't think the networks are remotely interested in allowing Trump to do so.
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No they are not.
In fact they are actively trying to herd people away for even listening to him speak. They totally lied about the boy scout speech. Trying to impress upon people's minds that Trump isn't even fit to be heard.
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No they are not.
In fact they are actively trying to herd people away for even listening to him speak. They totally lied about the boy scout speech. Trying to impress upon people's minds that Trump isn't even fit to be heard.
Posted by: simplemind at August 02, 2017 01:33 PM (HPUX8)
421
410. That's the name of TGE among his sich.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 01:33 PM (cGZ+Z)
422
Right, he's polling horribly and now he's going to put on a show. Knowing full well we'll never get a wall because everyone else, who isn't up for election soon will vote with the COC. Thus Ryan can say, but knows it will never come to pass and he will never have to pay a price for lying. Ever, because his "vote" will be for the wall, at a time when he knows there will not be enough votes for it. Its all a show. Just look at Obamacare. They have been pulling these "Show votes" crap for decades.
Posted by: simplemind at August 02, 2017 01:32 PM (ewM2R)
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The weak link is the Senate at the moment. This puts the focus on that.
Posted by: simplemind at August 02, 2017 01:32 PM (ewM2R)
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The weak link is the Senate at the moment. This puts the focus on that.
Posted by: Jackal at August 02, 2017 01:33 PM (6p4lE)
423
Somebody ask Jeff Flake if Senators Cotton and Perdue are making a "Faustian bargain" by working with Trump in any way.
Posted by: steevy at August 02, 2017 01:32 PM (rmVvL)
I would like someone to ask Jeff Flake why, if nativism is so horrible, he ran voluntarily to be a member of the United States government rather than going to work for an international NGO.
Posted by: steevy at August 02, 2017 01:32 PM (rmVvL)
I would like someone to ask Jeff Flake why, if nativism is so horrible, he ran voluntarily to be a member of the United States government rather than going to work for an international NGO.
Posted by: alexthechick - summons the Parallamas at August 02, 2017 01:34 PM (mf5HN)
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I don't think the networks are remotely interested in allowing Trump to do so.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 02, 2017 01:31 PM (TOk1P)
Youtube is preferable in any case, because people can forward the clips to others. (This not only allows time shifting, but also denies the networks revenue.) Make the clips the political equivalent of the Zebra Corner clips on Youtube.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 02, 2017 01:31 PM (TOk1P)
Youtube is preferable in any case, because people can forward the clips to others. (This not only allows time shifting, but also denies the networks revenue.) Make the clips the political equivalent of the Zebra Corner clips on Youtube.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 02, 2017 01:34 PM (SRKgf)
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"Eh, these names are kinda dumb, but that one's okay."
I like to compare the "Affordable Care Act" and the "Violence Against Women Act".
If the Affordable Care Act mandates affordable care, does the Violence Against Women Act mandate violence against women?
Or does the Violence Against Women Act outlaw violence against women and the Affordable Care Act outlaw affordable care?
I like to compare the "Affordable Care Act" and the "Violence Against Women Act".
If the Affordable Care Act mandates affordable care, does the Violence Against Women Act mandate violence against women?
Or does the Violence Against Women Act outlaw violence against women and the Affordable Care Act outlaw affordable care?
Posted by: zmdavid at August 02, 2017 01:34 PM (xqRaG)
426
>>Just think, this is what is going on in full public view and then
consider what is probably going on behind the gates of "private"
communities!
Not just full view, but with the city's approval - Deblasio set up zones for them to do this. So, not only are illegals exempt from following our laws, but they are exempt from law enforcement protection.
Good show, Lefties, you sooo really do care, don't you?
consider what is probably going on behind the gates of "private"
communities!
Not just full view, but with the city's approval - Deblasio set up zones for them to do this. So, not only are illegals exempt from following our laws, but they are exempt from law enforcement protection.
Good show, Lefties, you sooo really do care, don't you?
Posted by: Lizzy at August 02, 2017 01:34 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at August 02, 2017 01:35 PM (MINbv)
428
Maybe we should start an anyone but ryan campaign to send a signal that we are not going to put up with this nonsense. By anyone, I mean anyone, I don't care if hillary moves to his district and runs against him.
Posted by: yankeefifth at August 02, 2017 01:35 PM (0wem/)
429
424. Nope. YT is ghosting and deleting videos they deem 'controversial' or even potentially offensive.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 01:35 PM (cGZ+Z)
430
What? We're talking about military service making you a citizen, right?
If we end birthright citizenship, what do you suggest?
Posted by: bonhomme at August 02, 2017 12:33 PM (jhqr1)
Not ending birthright citizenship. If you're born here, you're a citizen. If your parents aren't, then they get sent back to wherever they came from and you get put up for adoption.
If we end birthright citizenship, what do you suggest?
Posted by: bonhomme at August 02, 2017 12:33 PM (jhqr1)
Not ending birthright citizenship. If you're born here, you're a citizen. If your parents aren't, then they get sent back to wherever they came from and you get put up for adoption.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at August 02, 2017 01:35 PM (fKWf6)
431
I can come America? I have the goat-humping skills.
Posted by: Achmed Mohammed Achmed at August 02, 2017 01:36 PM (398bZ)
432
YT also withholds ad money from videos about subjects they don't like.Like guns.
Posted by: steevy at August 02, 2017 01:36 PM (rmVvL)
433
I would like someone to ask Jeff Flake why, if
nativism is so horrible, he ran voluntarily to be a member of the United
States government rather than going to work for an international NGO.
Posted by: alexthechick - summons the Parallamas at August 02, 2017 01:34 PM (mf5HN)
I suspect the real answer is either a) he views the US government as merely an administrative element of the "international community" or b) he believes he was born to rule over us peons.
nativism is so horrible, he ran voluntarily to be a member of the United
States government rather than going to work for an international NGO.
Posted by: alexthechick - summons the Parallamas at August 02, 2017 01:34 PM (mf5HN)
I suspect the real answer is either a) he views the US government as merely an administrative element of the "international community" or b) he believes he was born to rule over us peons.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at August 02, 2017 01:37 PM (fKWf6)
434
The right is incapable of a "Long March Through the Institutions"
...that's not QUITE right.
Whenever conservatives hear terms like that, we feel visceral horror, like realizing your toilet wax seal has broken, and there are maggots on your bathroom floor.
Yet many people can't see the problem. They think that deception and destruction are noble things.
We need to detect this and cure people of being sociopaths.
...that's not QUITE right.
Whenever conservatives hear terms like that, we feel visceral horror, like realizing your toilet wax seal has broken, and there are maggots on your bathroom floor.
Yet many people can't see the problem. They think that deception and destruction are noble things.
We need to detect this and cure people of being sociopaths.
Posted by: Steve and Col Bear at August 02, 2017 01:37 PM (xAvrH)
435
Posted by: Jackal at August 02, 2017 01:33 PM (6p4lE)
Ryan's hands will be tied when it comes to a vote!
Ryan's hands will be tied when it comes to a vote!
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 02, 2017 01:37 PM (gwPgz)
436
432, 429, 424. Hell, they locked Jordan Peterson out for a couple hours. And all he does - mostly - is talk about the bible
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 01:37 PM (cGZ+Z)
437
>>The weak link is the Senate at the moment. This puts the focus on that. Posted by: Jackal at August 02, 2017 01:33 PM (6p4lE)
Shame the Senate doesn't have an LBJ-style ball-cutter. "The President wants this, and he's going to get it, and if you don't vote for it, we'll end you in your state, full stop." Mitch McConnell is worthless as tits on a bull.
Shame the Senate doesn't have an LBJ-style ball-cutter. "The President wants this, and he's going to get it, and if you don't vote for it, we'll end you in your state, full stop." Mitch McConnell is worthless as tits on a bull.
Posted by: Zod at August 02, 2017 01:37 PM (Bdeb0)
438
428 Maybe we should start an anyone but ryan campaign to send a signal that we are not going to put up with this nonsense. By anyone, I mean anyone, I don't care if hillary moves to his district and runs against him.
Posted by: yankeefifth at August 02, 2017 01:35 PM (0wem/)
=========
Bingo. The establishment can write off Brat beating Cantor as a fluke, but do it a few times and even the densest RINO will pick up the pattern.
Posted by: yankeefifth at August 02, 2017 01:35 PM (0wem/)
=========
Bingo. The establishment can write off Brat beating Cantor as a fluke, but do it a few times and even the densest RINO will pick up the pattern.
Posted by: Jackal at August 02, 2017 01:37 PM (6p4lE)
439
When I hear the D.C. mandarinate blustering about "skills-based immigration", I recall the case here in the SF Bay Area, in which girls with less than high school educations were being brought in on H-1B visas which described them as highly trained software engineers urgently needed for the local high-tech industry.
The girls in question, all of them underage, were then, upon arrival here in the States, forced into working as prostitutes, servicing thirty johns a day.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 02, 2017 01:20 PM (ujwCG)
I just read about that yesterday. South Korean chicks and it was tech workers exploiting them.
http://projects.seattletimes.com/2017/eastside-prostitution-bust/
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 02, 2017 01:21 PM (4ErVI)
Meh. That article is crap. I know people on all sides of that article and issue.
There is sex trafficking in Seattle, but it's a vast, vast minority of the sex work that goes on here. What that bust did was take down the review sites where guys and girls could talk about their experiences and make contacts for adult fun. It improved the experience immeasurably compared to the previous and current situation.
Seattle Vice is just a shakedown scam and a waste of police time. INS should be dealing with the traffickers and that's it.
The girls in question, all of them underage, were then, upon arrival here in the States, forced into working as prostitutes, servicing thirty johns a day.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 02, 2017 01:20 PM (ujwCG)
I just read about that yesterday. South Korean chicks and it was tech workers exploiting them.
http://projects.seattletimes.com/2017/eastside-prostitution-bust/
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 02, 2017 01:21 PM (4ErVI)
Meh. That article is crap. I know people on all sides of that article and issue.
There is sex trafficking in Seattle, but it's a vast, vast minority of the sex work that goes on here. What that bust did was take down the review sites where guys and girls could talk about their experiences and make contacts for adult fun. It improved the experience immeasurably compared to the previous and current situation.
Seattle Vice is just a shakedown scam and a waste of police time. INS should be dealing with the traffickers and that's it.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 02, 2017 01:37 PM (3OIiX)
440
Maybe we should start an anyone but ryan campaign to send a signal that we are not going to put up with this nonsense. By anyone, I mean anyone, I don't care if hillary moves to his district and runs against him.
Posted by: yankeefifth
______
That would be a race where I would like to see a conservative 3rd party run to just hand the seat over to a Democrat.
If that threat were hanging over Ryan, you would see a much different House leader.
This stuff does work, Boehner got pushed out and Cantor lost his primary.
The problem is, some of the rogue Republican Senators are beyond voter justice like McCain. Guy will probably be out of commission in under a year.
Posted by: yankeefifth
______
That would be a race where I would like to see a conservative 3rd party run to just hand the seat over to a Democrat.
If that threat were hanging over Ryan, you would see a much different House leader.
This stuff does work, Boehner got pushed out and Cantor lost his primary.
The problem is, some of the rogue Republican Senators are beyond voter justice like McCain. Guy will probably be out of commission in under a year.
Posted by: Maritime at August 02, 2017 01:38 PM (ycAdZ)
Posted by: Agent Cooper at August 02, 2017 01:38 PM (INRVS)
442
423 Somebody ask Jeff Flake if Senators Cotton and Perdue are making a "Faustian bargain" by working with Trump in any way.
Posted by: steevy at August 02, 2017 01:32 PM (rmVvL)
I would like someone to ask Jeff Flake why, if nativism is so horrible, he ran voluntarily to be a member of the United States government rather than going to work for an international NGO.
Posted by: alexthechick - summons the Parallamas at August 02, 2017 01:34 PM (mf5HN)
"Nativism" huh? I always like the part, you know, where Lefties, and their enablers on the Right get to define what, exactly, EVERYTHING means... down to individual words and phrases.
And then, get this, they always tell things to make Conservatives look BAD.... and we can spend forever defending ourselves from made up stuff that they created.
That's the part I like...
Posted by: steevy at August 02, 2017 01:32 PM (rmVvL)
I would like someone to ask Jeff Flake why, if nativism is so horrible, he ran voluntarily to be a member of the United States government rather than going to work for an international NGO.
Posted by: alexthechick - summons the Parallamas at August 02, 2017 01:34 PM (mf5HN)
"Nativism" huh? I always like the part, you know, where Lefties, and their enablers on the Right get to define what, exactly, EVERYTHING means... down to individual words and phrases.
And then, get this, they always tell things to make Conservatives look BAD.... and we can spend forever defending ourselves from made up stuff that they created.
That's the part I like...
Posted by: kraken at August 02, 2017 01:38 PM (pL6Vz)
443
servicing thirty johns a day.
That horrible!
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Damn right it is. I could easily get through 50. What are these lazy bitches doing that they can't?
That horrible!
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Damn right it is. I could easily get through 50. What are these lazy bitches doing that they can't?
Posted by: Shep! at August 02, 2017 01:38 PM (vg8iE)
444
I don't think the networks are remotely interested in allowing Trump to do so.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 02, 2017 01:31 PM (TOk1P)
Youtube is preferable in any case, because people can forward the clips to others. (This not only allows time shifting, but also denies the networks revenue.) Make the clips the political equivalent of the Zebra Corner clips on Youtube.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 02, 2017 01:34 PM (SRKgf)
I could go for that. By Presidential Proclamation:
1. From here on, all Presidential communications will be made by entities not subject to paying for content, and not dependent on a government license to broadcast or otherwise disseminate.
2. No journalist who is being paid by one of the above outfits is to be granted access to any official briefing, memo, or press conference.
3. So shove it.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 02, 2017 01:31 PM (TOk1P)
Youtube is preferable in any case, because people can forward the clips to others. (This not only allows time shifting, but also denies the networks revenue.) Make the clips the political equivalent of the Zebra Corner clips on Youtube.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 02, 2017 01:34 PM (SRKgf)
I could go for that. By Presidential Proclamation:
1. From here on, all Presidential communications will be made by entities not subject to paying for content, and not dependent on a government license to broadcast or otherwise disseminate.
2. No journalist who is being paid by one of the above outfits is to be granted access to any official briefing, memo, or press conference.
3. So shove it.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 02, 2017 01:39 PM (TOk1P)
445
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at August 02, 2017 01:37 PM (fKWf6)
or b) AND c) the graft is soo very much better in the US Senate!
or b) AND c) the graft is soo very much better in the US Senate!
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 02, 2017 01:39 PM (gwPgz)
446
Hell, they locked Jordan Peterson out for a couple hours. And all he does - mostly - is talk about the bible
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 01:37 PM (cGZ+Z)
Yep. The great shut out is coming.
I'm trying to get personal email set up with Amazon. Say what you want about them, they take care of their customers. For a very nominal fee, I'm hopefully going to get my email migrated over and probably my web site hosting too.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 01:37 PM (cGZ+Z)
Yep. The great shut out is coming.
I'm trying to get personal email set up with Amazon. Say what you want about them, they take care of their customers. For a very nominal fee, I'm hopefully going to get my email migrated over and probably my web site hosting too.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 02, 2017 01:39 PM (3OIiX)
447
YT is ghosting and deleting videos "
They need clicks, something Presidential commentary would give them. Note President Trumps use of twitter...
They need clicks, something Presidential commentary would give them. Note President Trumps use of twitter...
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at August 02, 2017 01:39 PM (MINbv)
448
I like to compare the "Affordable Care Act" and the "Violence Against Women Act".
I propose the "Affordable Women Act."
I like to compare the "Affordable Care Act" and the "Violence Against Women Act".
I propose the "Affordable Women Act."
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 02, 2017 01:39 PM (IqV8l)
449
Some did, but they were Outliers--especially if they were Orangemen and not Catholic.
Gen Jackson's famous Stonewall Brigade had a large number of Irish volunteer troops and they may have been the first to use the rebel yell in battle at 1st Bull Run.
Some did, but they were Outliers--especially if they were Orangemen and not Catholic.
Gen Jackson's famous Stonewall Brigade had a large number of Irish volunteer troops and they may have been the first to use the rebel yell in battle at 1st Bull Run.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at August 02, 2017 01:39 PM (lKyWE)
450
Oh, and Empress, I answered your question a bit upthread: comment 400.
Posted by: Jackal at August 02, 2017 01:39 PM (6p4lE)
451
Corruption, incompetence, government interference. Plus if you're pumping heavy sour crude your refining expense is going to be really high IANM. Alberta Oil Peon would know better than any of us.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 02, 2017 01:10 PM (0mRoj)
Well, you can lose money if you drill too many dry holes. And if you are a small company with only enough capitalization to drill one well, one dry hole is one too many.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 02, 2017 01:10 PM (0mRoj)
Well, you can lose money if you drill too many dry holes. And if you are a small company with only enough capitalization to drill one well, one dry hole is one too many.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 02, 2017 01:40 PM (XUcIQ)
452
429 424. Nope. YT is ghosting and deleting videos they deem 'controversial' or even potentially offensive.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 01:35 PM (cGZ+Z)
OK, if they do that to the Trump videos, he can have them hosted on his own server. And beat Youtube over the head for deleting them. Give 'em the old CNN treatment.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 01:35 PM (cGZ+Z)
OK, if they do that to the Trump videos, he can have them hosted on his own server. And beat Youtube over the head for deleting them. Give 'em the old CNN treatment.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 02, 2017 01:40 PM (SRKgf)
453
449. True, but in fairness, they'd been told the other guys had potatoes.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 01:40 PM (cGZ+Z)
454
The GOP couldn't legislate a trip to the outhouse.
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 02, 2017 01:26 PM (Nwg0u)
They couldn't lead Marines to a brothel.
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 02, 2017 01:26 PM (Nwg0u)
They couldn't lead Marines to a brothel.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Find the Dark Linings in the Silver Clouds at the Outrage Outlet! at August 02, 2017 01:41 PM (hLRSq)
455
I would like someone to ask Jeff Flake why, if nativism is so horrible, he ran voluntarily to be a member of the United States government rather than going to work for an international NGO.
Posted by: alexthechick
___________
A BIG part of Flake's love of illegal immigration is his Mormonism. They are really big on the open borders stuff to the point where the Mormon Church actively gets involved in politics and takes out border hawk type Republicans.
Mormons have made huge inroads into Latino communities, its like their biggest growth demographic. They don't want the flow cut off.
The approach their religion like its AmWay or something.
Posted by: alexthechick
___________
A BIG part of Flake's love of illegal immigration is his Mormonism. They are really big on the open borders stuff to the point where the Mormon Church actively gets involved in politics and takes out border hawk type Republicans.
Mormons have made huge inroads into Latino communities, its like their biggest growth demographic. They don't want the flow cut off.
The approach their religion like its AmWay or something.
Posted by: Maritime at August 02, 2017 01:41 PM (ycAdZ)
456
I would settle for Raise the Wall act.
Posted by: Jack Sock at August 02, 2017 01:41 PM (TrOGC)
457
434 The right is incapable of a "Long March Through the Institutions"
...that's not QUITE right.
Whenever conservatives hear terms like that, we feel visceral horror, like realizing your toilet wax seal has broken, and there are maggots on your bathroom floor.
Yet many people can't see the problem. They think that deception and destruction are noble things.
We need to detect this and cure people of being sociopaths.
Posted by: Steve and Col Bear at August 02, 2017 01:37 PM (xAvrH)
==============
Steve, do you mean its more a question of the right not having the stomach to do what is necessary to reverse leftist takeover of institutions?
...that's not QUITE right.
Whenever conservatives hear terms like that, we feel visceral horror, like realizing your toilet wax seal has broken, and there are maggots on your bathroom floor.
Yet many people can't see the problem. They think that deception and destruction are noble things.
We need to detect this and cure people of being sociopaths.
Posted by: Steve and Col Bear at August 02, 2017 01:37 PM (xAvrH)
==============
Steve, do you mean its more a question of the right not having the stomach to do what is necessary to reverse leftist takeover of institutions?
Posted by: Jackal at August 02, 2017 01:41 PM (6p4lE)
458
The GOP couldn't legislate a trip to the outhouse.
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 02, 2017 01:26 PM (Nwg0u)
They couldn't lead Marines to a brothel.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Find the Dark Linings in the Silver Clouds at the Outrage Outlet! at August 02, 2017 01:41 PM (hLRSq)
They'd probably do a pretty good job of leading a lot of their fellow Congressmen to bath houses!
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at August 02, 2017 01:26 PM (Nwg0u)
They couldn't lead Marines to a brothel.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Find the Dark Linings in the Silver Clouds at the Outrage Outlet! at August 02, 2017 01:41 PM (hLRSq)
They'd probably do a pretty good job of leading a lot of their fellow Congressmen to bath houses!
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 02, 2017 01:42 PM (gwPgz)
459
457. That's part of it. Also, I think the growing realization that there's not much left to be 'conservative' about.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 01:43 PM (cGZ+Z)
460
The approach their religion like its AmWay or something.
Posted by: Maritime at August 02, 2017 01:41 PM (ycAdZ)
Priceless!!!
So Evangelicalism run amok?
Posted by: Maritime at August 02, 2017 01:41 PM (ycAdZ)
Priceless!!!
So Evangelicalism run amok?
Posted by: kraken at August 02, 2017 01:43 PM (pL6Vz)
461
They'd probably do a pretty good job of leading a lot of their fellow Congressmen to bath houses!
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I'll grand marshal that parade!
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I'll grand marshal that parade!
Posted by: Shep! at August 02, 2017 01:43 PM (vg8iE)
462
452 429 424. Nope. YT is ghosting and deleting videos they deem 'controversial' or even potentially offensive.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 01:35 PM (cGZ+Z)
OK, if they do that to the Trump videos, he can have them hosted on his own server. And beat Youtube over the head for deleting them. Give 'em the old CNN treatment.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 02, 2017 01:40 PM (SRKgf)
===============
Yep, dare them to shut him out.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 01:35 PM (cGZ+Z)
OK, if they do that to the Trump videos, he can have them hosted on his own server. And beat Youtube over the head for deleting them. Give 'em the old CNN treatment.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 02, 2017 01:40 PM (SRKgf)
===============
Yep, dare them to shut him out.
Posted by: Jackal at August 02, 2017 01:43 PM (6p4lE)
Posted by: The Moose out front at August 02, 2017 01:43 PM (6iUC+)
464
448
I like to compare the "Affordable Care Act" and the "Violence Against Women Act".
150,000 battered woman in America.
And all this time I've been eating mine plain.
I like to compare the "Affordable Care Act" and the "Violence Against Women Act".
150,000 battered woman in America.
And all this time I've been eating mine plain.
Posted by: Cicero Boom chicka boom Kaboom! Kid at August 02, 2017 01:43 PM (LjG7N)
465
Jobs American's won't do!! Jobs American's won't do!! Jobs American's won't do!! Jobs American's won't do!!
AAAAAEEEEEEEEAAAGGGGHHHHHH*
*sung to the tune of a Howard Dean scream.
AAAAAEEEEEEEEAAAGGGGHHHHHH*
*sung to the tune of a Howard Dean scream.
Posted by: Chamber of Cocks with our hair on fire at August 02, 2017 01:43 PM (ty7RM)
466
upthread someone said the bees are coming back. I have noticed a big uptick on my little deck garden. Yay bees!
Posted by: kallisto at August 02, 2017 01:44 PM (n6gcM)
467
464 And all this time I've been eating mine plain.
Posted by: Cicero Boom chicka boom Kaboom! Kid at August 02, 2017 01:43 PM (LjG7N)
Pussy tempura, with bukakke sauce?
Posted by: Cicero Boom chicka boom Kaboom! Kid at August 02, 2017 01:43 PM (LjG7N)
Pussy tempura, with bukakke sauce?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:44 PM (mbhDw)
468
NOT THE BEES!!!! AAAAAAAAAAARGGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 02, 2017 01:45 PM (nJuW/)
469
upthread someone said the bees are coming back. I have noticed a big uptick on my little deck garden. Yay bees!
Posted by: kallisto at August 02, 2017 01:44 PM (n6gcM)
Are they the weaponized sort?
Posted by: kallisto at August 02, 2017 01:44 PM (n6gcM)
Are they the weaponized sort?
Posted by: kraken at August 02, 2017 01:45 PM (pL6Vz)
470
466 upthread someone said the bees are coming back. I have noticed a big uptick on my little deck garden. Yay bees!
Posted by: kallisto at August 02, 2017 01:44 PM (n6gcM)
The dangerous African ones or the Italian ones? And that is not a racist question.
Posted by: kallisto at August 02, 2017 01:44 PM (n6gcM)
The dangerous African ones or the Italian ones? And that is not a racist question.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:45 PM (mbhDw)
471
Gen Jackson's famous Stonewall Brigade had a large number of Irish volunteer troops and they may have been the first to use the rebel yell in battle at 1st Bull Run.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at August 02, 2017 01:39 PM (lKyWE)
They cried "More, more,more?"
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at August 02, 2017 01:39 PM (lKyWE)
They cried "More, more,more?"
Posted by: JoeF. at August 02, 2017 01:45 PM (7uYFy)
Posted by: Hope Solo at August 02, 2017 01:45 PM (X6fMO)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 01:45 PM (cGZ+Z)
474
Cutting legal immigration in half is clearly a sacrificial item. In belligerent negotiations you often ask for stuff you don't expect to get and sometimes *don't even want* in order to have items to negotiate away and still get what you really want.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at August 02, 2017 01:46 PM (6rfWc)
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at August 02, 2017 01:46 PM (MINbv)
476
459 457. That's part of it. Also, I think the growing realization that there's not much left to be 'conservative' about.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 01:43 PM (cGZ+Z)
I think part of the problem is the sheer vastness of the rot at every level of our politics, which makes it very difficult to identify a starting point. Focusing on unseating Ryan would be a great start though since the House is somewhat vulnerable every two years!
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 01:43 PM (cGZ+Z)
I think part of the problem is the sheer vastness of the rot at every level of our politics, which makes it very difficult to identify a starting point. Focusing on unseating Ryan would be a great start though since the House is somewhat vulnerable every two years!
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 02, 2017 01:46 PM (gwPgz)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:47 PM (mbhDw)
478
Provided no shithead RINOs mugging for the MFM? 51. Right now, I'd guess there are maybe 45 real Rs in the Senate. Note, I'm not saying they're conservative, just that they could probably be browbeaten into doing the right thing.
Posted by: Jackal at August 02, 2017 01:29 PM (6p4lE)
Before I bless your heart, thank you for answering.
That doesn't actually answer my question because you changed the parameters. I didn't say real Republicans however that is that you are defining it. I'm saying with the current state of politics and with current party affiliations which should have gone without saying but fine I will say it.
Right now there are 52 Republican Senators, which is one in excess of what you say is needed. You then dodge by stating well there are realllly only 45. That's the dodge that makes me view your argument with great suspicion. You see, by your own number, we have one more than needed. But then you immediately deny what you just claimed.
It's. Always. One. More.
I've been demanding for freaking decades that I be told the exact numbers and whenever that number is delivered, then I am told, well, no, see it's really this other number because squishes. When I push for an exact number, including the squishes, then I'm told but but but you want Dems! Uh. Huh.
So, bluntly, I think you are not making your argument in good faith in the slightest because you are refusing to state forthrightly a true number. Nope. You are altering the definition of Republican so as to avoid giving me a direct answer.
As far a patience? I've been paying attention to all this for over the 29 years old that I am and I've been told oh just wait, just be patient, oh you can't do that you'll give the Dems a super majority.
Yeah. Telling me to wait some more is errant nonsense to say nothing of utter bullshit.
Also, just to nitpick, you didn't give me a number in the House.
Posted by: Jackal at August 02, 2017 01:29 PM (6p4lE)
Before I bless your heart, thank you for answering.
That doesn't actually answer my question because you changed the parameters. I didn't say real Republicans however that is that you are defining it. I'm saying with the current state of politics and with current party affiliations which should have gone without saying but fine I will say it.
Right now there are 52 Republican Senators, which is one in excess of what you say is needed. You then dodge by stating well there are realllly only 45. That's the dodge that makes me view your argument with great suspicion. You see, by your own number, we have one more than needed. But then you immediately deny what you just claimed.
It's. Always. One. More.
I've been demanding for freaking decades that I be told the exact numbers and whenever that number is delivered, then I am told, well, no, see it's really this other number because squishes. When I push for an exact number, including the squishes, then I'm told but but but you want Dems! Uh. Huh.
So, bluntly, I think you are not making your argument in good faith in the slightest because you are refusing to state forthrightly a true number. Nope. You are altering the definition of Republican so as to avoid giving me a direct answer.
As far a patience? I've been paying attention to all this for over the 29 years old that I am and I've been told oh just wait, just be patient, oh you can't do that you'll give the Dems a super majority.
Yeah. Telling me to wait some more is errant nonsense to say nothing of utter bullshit.
Also, just to nitpick, you didn't give me a number in the House.
Posted by: alexthechick - summons the Parallamas at August 02, 2017 01:47 PM (mf5HN)
479
473 467.
You see, Ace? J.J. corrupting us again!
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 01:45 PM (cGZ+Z)
You shut your cake hole, you!!!
You see, Ace? J.J. corrupting us again!
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at August 02, 2017 01:45 PM (cGZ+Z)
You shut your cake hole, you!!!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:47 PM (mbhDw)
480
466 upthread someone said the bees are coming back. I have noticed a big uptick on my little deck garden. Yay bees!
Posted by: kallisto at August 02, 2017 01:44 PM (n6gcM)
Is there anything Trump can't do?
Posted by: kallisto at August 02, 2017 01:44 PM (n6gcM)
Is there anything Trump can't do?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 02, 2017 01:47 PM (SRKgf)
481
DIDI MAO:
Don't Institutionalize Democrat Ideology, Make America Outstanding.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:47 PM (mbhDw)
LOL
Love it
Don't Institutionalize Democrat Ideology, Make America Outstanding.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:47 PM (mbhDw)
LOL
Love it
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 02, 2017 01:47 PM (3OIiX)
482
I think part of the problem is the sheer vastness of the rot at every level of our politics, which makes it very difficult to identify a starting point. Focusing on unseating Ryan would be a great start though since the House is somewhat vulnerable every two years!
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 02, 2017 01:46 PM (gwPgz)
Yes.... the antidote is term limits, from state to national offices... of course that will never happen because the lifers have to approve... so goes representative government.
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 02, 2017 01:46 PM (gwPgz)
Yes.... the antidote is term limits, from state to national offices... of course that will never happen because the lifers have to approve... so goes representative government.
Posted by: kraken at August 02, 2017 01:48 PM (pL6Vz)
483
nood
Posted by: Imran Arwan: Pockeestawni IT Expert at August 02, 2017 01:48 PM (qJhUV)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:49 PM (mbhDw)
485
atc, the numbers are 100 in the Senate, 435 in the House, the Presidency, and all 9 Justices.
Anything less than that it is shaky and hard to predict.
Anything less than that it is shaky and hard to predict.
Posted by: blaster at August 02, 2017 01:49 PM (dUZhM)
486
Yeah. Telling me to wait some more is errant nonsense to say nothing of utter bullshit.
Also, just to nitpick, you didn't give me a number in the House.
=======
Do not attribute to malice, what can easily be explained by DENIAL.
Also, just to nitpick, you didn't give me a number in the House.
=======
Do not attribute to malice, what can easily be explained by DENIAL.
Posted by: simplemind at August 02, 2017 01:49 PM (HPUX8)
487
I would offer the Oxymoron Bill . This bill would bar any bill being named after what it alleges to accomplish. Since my bill is trying to accomplish preventing bill names from being an Oxymoron, I would be in violation of my own bill. I would solve that by putting in a grandfather clause. Isn't this how Congress puts together their Bills?
Posted by: Jack Sock at August 02, 2017 01:50 PM (TrOGC)
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 02, 2017 01:51 PM (nJuW/)
489
DIDI MAO:
Don't Institutionalize Democrat Ideology, Make America Outstanding.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:47 PM (mbhDw)
DIDI MAU:
Don't Institutionalize Democrat Ideology, Make America Unsurpassed.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:47 PM (mbhDw)
Don't Institutionalize Democrat Ideology, Make America Outstanding.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:47 PM (mbhDw)
DIDI MAU:
Don't Institutionalize Democrat Ideology, Make America Unsurpassed.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 02, 2017 01:47 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 02, 2017 01:52 PM (gwPgz)
490
My great grandfather came here because the streets were said to be paved with gold.
He got here and realized that not only were they not paved with gold, they weren't even paved.
Then he found out he was expected to do the paving.
He got here and realized that not only were they not paved with gold, they weren't even paved.
Then he found out he was expected to do the paving.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 02, 2017 01:55 PM (7ZVPa)
491
So all of those threatening to move to Canada, this is what they do. A points system.
You get scored on what you can offer to the country. Points for professions badly needed, etc.
Good luck with this. It is exactly what is needed.
So all of those threatening to move to Canada, this is what they do. A points system.
You get scored on what you can offer to the country. Points for professions badly needed, etc.
Good luck with this. It is exactly what is needed.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 02, 2017 01:56 PM (fceHP)
492
That's what screws up supposedly "conservative" Arizona and Utah politics so much. Sure, it's Republican, but it's Mormon Conservative, not constitutional conservative.
Egg McMuffin and Jon Huntsman are prime examples of Mormon Conservatism.
Egg McMuffin and Jon Huntsman are prime examples of Mormon Conservatism.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 02, 2017 01:56 PM (B6lNR)
493
484 , ma certo, e necessario. About the bees, they look normal except that one that is orange.
Posted by: kallisto at August 02, 2017 01:57 PM (n6gcM)
494
"The right is incapable of a "Long March Through the Institutions"
because we don't have the patience for it. That lack of patience
suggests any attempt to form a 3rd party will end in failure. JMHO. jackal
I probably missed some points in this discussion ... BUT ... that march was Soviet infiltration, so EXPOSING the commies is different than a long march of subversion by an enemy force.
If a wife gets video of her hubbie having cheated repeatedly over the last forty years, she will not need a long march to be convinced.
To me, there is much such video. The "global governance award" to Cronkite, praised by Hillary, is just one such video. Major media conspiring with heads of state to surrender our sovereignty.
America just needs the red pill ... the blue pill is that the globalist murderous mafia is really Jesus.
because we don't have the patience for it. That lack of patience
suggests any attempt to form a 3rd party will end in failure. JMHO. jackal
I probably missed some points in this discussion ... BUT ... that march was Soviet infiltration, so EXPOSING the commies is different than a long march of subversion by an enemy force.
If a wife gets video of her hubbie having cheated repeatedly over the last forty years, she will not need a long march to be convinced.
To me, there is much such video. The "global governance award" to Cronkite, praised by Hillary, is just one such video. Major media conspiring with heads of state to surrender our sovereignty.
America just needs the red pill ... the blue pill is that the globalist murderous mafia is really Jesus.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 02, 2017 01:58 PM (b+0FS)
495
Before I bless your heart, thank you for answering.
That doesn't actually answer my question because you changed the parameters. I didn't say real Republicans however that is that you are defining it. I'm saying with the current state of politics and with current party affiliations which should have gone without saying but fine I will say it.
Right now there are 52 Republican Senators, which is one in excess of what you say is needed. You then dodge by stating well there are realllly only 45. That's the dodge that makes me view your argument with great suspicion. You see, by your own number, we have one more than needed. But then you immediately deny what you just claimed.
It's. Always. One. More.
I've been demanding for freaking decades that I be told the exact numbers and whenever that number is delivered, then I am told, well, no, see it's really this other number because squishes. When I push for an exact number, including the squishes, then I'm told but but but you want Dems! Uh. Huh.
So, bluntly, I think you are not making your argument in good faith in the slightest because you are refusing to state forthrightly a true number. Nope. You are altering the definition of Republican so as to avoid giving me a direct answer.
As far a patience? I've been paying attention to all this for over the 29 years old that I am and I've been told oh just wait, just be patient, oh you can't do that you'll give the Dems a super majority.
Yeah. Telling me to wait some more is errant nonsense to say nothing of utter bullshit.
Also, just to nitpick, you didn't give me a number in the House.
Posted by: alexthechick - summons the Parallamas at August 02, 2017 01:47 PM (mf5HN)
===================
Ok, then. 60. With a caucus that size , you'd likely have 51 votes for whatever needs to be passed. And yes I know that sounds stupid, but I wager that's the number you'd need to counterbalance the jello spines (Flake), glory hounds (McCain), and liberals with Rs by their name (Murkowski and Collins).
With respect, though, it's not the size of the caucus, its who's in it. That was my point. And i'm NOT saying "Just wait a little longer". I'm saying, if you are in a red state have a RINO in the senate, work to beat him in the primaries and barring that, vote 3rd party in the general, especially this cycle.
That doesn't actually answer my question because you changed the parameters. I didn't say real Republicans however that is that you are defining it. I'm saying with the current state of politics and with current party affiliations which should have gone without saying but fine I will say it.
Right now there are 52 Republican Senators, which is one in excess of what you say is needed. You then dodge by stating well there are realllly only 45. That's the dodge that makes me view your argument with great suspicion. You see, by your own number, we have one more than needed. But then you immediately deny what you just claimed.
It's. Always. One. More.
I've been demanding for freaking decades that I be told the exact numbers and whenever that number is delivered, then I am told, well, no, see it's really this other number because squishes. When I push for an exact number, including the squishes, then I'm told but but but you want Dems! Uh. Huh.
So, bluntly, I think you are not making your argument in good faith in the slightest because you are refusing to state forthrightly a true number. Nope. You are altering the definition of Republican so as to avoid giving me a direct answer.
As far a patience? I've been paying attention to all this for over the 29 years old that I am and I've been told oh just wait, just be patient, oh you can't do that you'll give the Dems a super majority.
Yeah. Telling me to wait some more is errant nonsense to say nothing of utter bullshit.
Also, just to nitpick, you didn't give me a number in the House.
Posted by: alexthechick - summons the Parallamas at August 02, 2017 01:47 PM (mf5HN)
===================
Ok, then. 60. With a caucus that size , you'd likely have 51 votes for whatever needs to be passed. And yes I know that sounds stupid, but I wager that's the number you'd need to counterbalance the jello spines (Flake), glory hounds (McCain), and liberals with Rs by their name (Murkowski and Collins).
With respect, though, it's not the size of the caucus, its who's in it. That was my point. And i'm NOT saying "Just wait a little longer". I'm saying, if you are in a red state have a RINO in the senate, work to beat him in the primaries and barring that, vote 3rd party in the general, especially this cycle.
Posted by: Jackal at August 02, 2017 02:01 PM (6p4lE)
496
All so Democrats wouldn't call Republicans racists, which they do anyway no matter what.
Posted by: Maritime at August 02, 2017 01:33 PM (ycAdZ)
No, it was because the people who finance those campaigns don't want to pay their American employees a market wage.
Posted by: Maritime at August 02, 2017 01:33 PM (ycAdZ)
No, it was because the people who finance those campaigns don't want to pay their American employees a market wage.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at August 02, 2017 02:06 PM (UBzPO)
497
So Evangelicalism run amok?
Posted by: kraken at August 02, 2017 01:43 PM (pL6Vz)
No, just evangelicalism.
Posted by: kraken at August 02, 2017 01:43 PM (pL6Vz)
No, just evangelicalism.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at August 02, 2017 02:09 PM (UBzPO)
498
491 "So all of those threatening to move to Canada, this is what they do. A points system."
They have a way you can buy your way it with a substantial dollar investment too... which is the only way our precious celebrities like Alex Baldwin could get in if they tried, which apparently they aren't. Surprise, surprise.
They have a way you can buy your way it with a substantial dollar investment too... which is the only way our precious celebrities like Alex Baldwin could get in if they tried, which apparently they aren't. Surprise, surprise.
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at August 02, 2017 02:40 PM (qq7la)
499
We need to primary the fuck out of the republicans, and then crush the democraps in 2018.
This is our only play right now.
This is our only play right now.
Posted by: Duncan Macleod, The Highlander at August 02, 2017 03:00 PM (ZZhQQ)
500
If putting American citizen workers ahead of the rest of the world does not prove Russian collusion I just don't know what does.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at August 02, 2017 03:07 PM (npdX6)
501
Of that 50% of immigrant households receiving welfare what is the proportion of legal versus illegal immigrants?
Posted by: aelfheld at August 02, 2017 03:15 PM (IxDhF)
502
This is fine, but we NEED exit visas so that we can prevent people from overstaying their visas, or at least, spot/punish those who do.
Posted by: CatchThirtyThr33 at August 02, 2017 03:53 PM (gHxi3)
503
284 We all agree that birthright citizenship is a bad idea. What about trans-temporal citizenship? If I went back in time to the 19th or early 20th century, would I still be a citizen?
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear
Ooo, regardless of the citizanship angle, it's a really bad idea to go back. You see, you'll be held liable for the trail of butterfly effects you leave in your wake.
By the time you're done sightseeing, you'll prolly owe half the world's future population damages of some sort, real or imagined.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear
Ooo, regardless of the citizanship angle, it's a really bad idea to go back. You see, you'll be held liable for the trail of butterfly effects you leave in your wake.
By the time you're done sightseeing, you'll prolly owe half the world's future population damages of some sort, real or imagined.
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