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RIP, Charlie Gard
From Reuters:
BREAKING: Charlie Gard, UK baby at the center of dispute over hospital treatment, has died - Daily MailStriking that this happens the day the GOP made its final stand in support of Socialized Medicine:
"...his death must take place on the day he arrives, for insurance reasons."
— Lizzie Jo (@why_liz) July 27, 2017
F**k socialized medicine. #CharlieGard pic.twitter.com/BsdVi2z3VG
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 28, 2017 01:19 PM (ul9CR)
Posted by: Insomniac - Not Disappointed, Just Angry at July 28, 2017 01:20 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at July 28, 2017 01:20 PM (oGRue)
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 28, 2017 01:21 PM (LjR2k)
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at July 28, 2017 01:21 PM (oGRue)
I just have to shake my head. What a damn tragedy.
Posted by: fixerupper at July 28, 2017 01:21 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: zombie at July 28, 2017 01:21 PM (DQ4Fv)
Posted by: Hikaru at July 28, 2017 01:22 PM (XMDuf)
Posted by: zombie at July 28, 2017 01:21 PM (DQ4Fv)
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Well.... a few here are just AOK with that.
Posted by: fixerupper at July 28, 2017 01:22 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: Planned Parenthood at July 28, 2017 01:22 PM (oGRue)
Kid Rock takes the lead in Michigan, in new poll released today:
https://twitter.com/RobertCahaly/status/890938278995558400
Ritchie 48.60%
Stabenow (D) 46.09%
This could actually happen!
Posted by: zombie at July 28, 2017 01:22 PM (DQ4Fv)
Posted by: Insomniac - Not Disappointed, Just Angry at July 28, 2017 01:22 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: ace at July 28, 2017 01:22 PM (8rNrN)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at July 28, 2017 01:22 PM (7ZVPa)
Posted by: zombie at July 28, 2017 01:22 PM (DQ4Fv)
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It will be interesting...... All Summer Long.
Posted by: fixerupper at July 28, 2017 01:23 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: Hikaru at July 28, 2017 01:23 PM (XMDuf)
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at July 28, 2017 01:23 PM (amw5i)
Just when I though things couldn't get worse, along comes Socialism to prove me wrong.
Posted by: Witchdoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at July 28, 2017 01:23 PM (PFy0L)
And how long before that starts moving up the chain to other children who need special care?
Posted by: Blanco Basura at July 28, 2017 01:23 PM (IZPn8)
Kid Rock takes the lead in Michigan, in new poll released today:
https://twitter.com/RobertCahaly/status/890938278995558400
Ritchie 48.60%
Stabenow (D) 46.09%
This could actually happen!
...
Indeed, but... I'm having trouble caring any longer.
Posted by: ace at July 28, 2017 01:23 PM (8rNrN)
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at July 28, 2017 01:24 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Mega at July 28, 2017 01:24 PM (2PuFO)
His death must take place on the day he arrives?
24 hours or less of hospice? Yeah, that's the system we
want to replicate.
Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at July 28, 2017 01:24 PM (EgwCt)
I think maybe it means that one day of hospice care is covered so if he wants to come home (with the medical entourage) they need to make sure he dies in 24 hours.
Coming soon to a country near you
Posted by: ace at July 28, 2017 01:24 PM (8rNrN)
Posted by: Lizzy at July 28, 2017 01:24 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Planned Parenthood
AoS -- come for the gallows humor, stay for the deeply bitter sarcastic depressed end-times gallows humor.
Posted by: zombie at July 28, 2017 01:25 PM (DQ4Fv)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 28, 2017 01:25 PM (KP5rU)
Posted by: Mega at July 28, 2017 01:25 PM (2PuFO)
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 28, 2017 01:25 PM (LjR2k)
I didn't think that anybody could come up with a single pinpoint moment in time that out-eviled Pharaoh O-Blow-Me in my lifetime, but Ghoul McPlanecrash found a way. By Moloch, he found a way.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 28, 2017 01:25 PM (XMDuf)
Posted by: phreshone at July 28, 2017 01:25 PM (DpOmP)
Posted by: Eromero at July 28, 2017 01:26 PM (zLDYs)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 28, 2017 01:26 PM (p+Wdc)
Posted by: Marcus T at July 28, 2017 01:26 PM (zJ3L1)
Posted by: Hikaru at July 28, 2017 01:26 PM (XMDuf)
Posted by: ace at July 28, 2017 01:23 PM (8rNrN)
It feels that way.
Are we King Canute commanding the tide of socialism to retreat?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 28, 2017 01:26 PM (wYseH)
Posted by: simplemind at July 28, 2017 01:26 PM (X9dO1)
"Um, yes."
"And he can't die at home."
"No, of course not. We have the best care for him elsewhere."
"Even though that care consists of precisely nothing?"
"Er, NEXT QUESTION"
"Why this day particularly?"
"Well, because the hospice can take care of him without admitting him that way."
"So he has to die, on a schedule... in what way is that not killing him in a premeditated way?"
"Uh... LOOK OVER THERE SOME FREE HEALTHCARE"
Posted by: Sporkatus at July 28, 2017 01:26 PM (eXSOZ)
Posted by: Roy at July 28, 2017 01:26 PM (7n4KQ)
Posted by: Marcus T at July 28, 2017 01:26 PM (zJ3L1)
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it means that someone killed him
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at July 28, 2017 01:27 PM (oGRue)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at July 28, 2017 01:27 PM (IZPn8)
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at July 28, 2017 01:27 PM (tbOMB)
.... This is quickly turning me from sadness to white hot anger.
They wont pay to try to save his life.... but they require six nurses and three specialists to attend to his death.???
What the Actual Fuck? Really?? You callous motherfuckers.
Posted by: fixerupper at July 28, 2017 01:27 PM (8XRCm)
At least God gets an angel. Hell is still waiting for their boy.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 28, 2017 01:27 PM (HXx+D)
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Find the Dark Linings in the Silver Clouds at the Outrage Outlet! at July 28, 2017 01:28 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Planned Parenthood
AoS -- come for the gallows humor, stay for the deeply bitter sarcastic depressed end-times gallows humor.
Posted by: zombie at July 28, 2017 01:25 PM (DQ4Fv)
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out of human decency, i waited until the comments got to double digits
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at July 28, 2017 01:28 PM (oGRue)
I think maybe it means that one day of hospice care is covered so if he wants to come home (with the medical entourage) they need to make sure he dies in 24 hours.
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pillow over the face if necessary
Posted by: simplemind at July 28, 2017 01:28 PM (XMIkX)
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at July 28, 2017 01:28 PM (tbOMB)
Posted by: Admiral John S. McCain Jr. at July 28, 2017 01:28 PM (DpOmP)
F**k socialized medicine. #CharlieGard
Amen. If you want to know evil, read that sentence. I don't believe in devils, but I believe in evil. It exists in the hearts and minds of humans. There it is. Right there.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 28, 2017 01:28 PM (TOk1P)
They seem fun. Big on BBQ and smiting their enemies. Dunno, thought we should at least talk about it.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 28, 2017 01:28 PM (xJa6I)
"It's one of those things I used to do and try not to talk too much about, because it's not something you go to promote something at, or do anything for any self-gain at all," USO tour veteran Kid Rock recently told MTV News.
"But what I've learned is that maybe if I do talk about it, the more I can encourage some other people in my position to go, because they're really happy over there just to get a slice of America at any level..."
"I would encourage anybody that hasn't gone to really think about it," he continued. "It's really a rewarding, life-changing experience."
http://preview.tinyurl.com/yapzxkvn
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 28, 2017 01:28 PM (ul9CR)
Posted by: Spun and Murky at July 28, 2017 01:28 PM (4DCSq)
Striking that this happens the day the GOP made its final stand in support of Socialized Medicine:
Sometimes God works in mysterious ways.
Sometimes He's in your face.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 28, 2017 01:29 PM (na0uG)
Posted by: Admiral John S. McCain Sr. at July 28, 2017 01:29 PM (DpOmP)
You're just an evil hater who hates poor people they said.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 28, 2017 01:29 PM (KUaJL)
And John McCain gets to walk the earth. My faith in a just and merciful G-d is tested with things like this.
Rest In Peace.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 28, 2017 01:29 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: Admiral John S. McCain Sr. at July 28, 2017 01:29 PM (DpOmP)
Grandghoul. Grandghoul.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 28, 2017 01:30 PM (XMDuf)
Posted by: LASue at July 28, 2017 01:30 PM (hZ+us)
Posted by: Infidel at July 28, 2017 01:30 PM (stVBb)
Posted by: alexthechick - happy happy manatees at July 28, 2017 01:30 PM (dEQP3)
Posted by: Mega at July 28, 2017 01:30 PM (2PuFO)
If He wasn't merciful, the planet would be a burnt cinder long ago.
Posted by: Roy at July 28, 2017 01:30 PM (7n4KQ)
Posted by: John McCain at July 28, 2017 01:31 PM (XMDuf)
Posted by: IC at July 28, 2017 01:31 PM (a0IVu)
Thumbs Down, but no. He knew damned well the "Roman Emperor" "Death Sentence" implications that went along with it.
In the ancient Roman games the emperor's thumbs down meant life.Thumbs up was the greenlight to dispatch the guy
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 28, 2017 01:31 PM (lKyWE)
SRSLY FK THEM AND THEIR 'CARING'
Posted by: willow at July 28, 2017 01:31 PM (FKrah)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 28, 2017 01:31 PM (KP5rU)
What the Actual Fuck? Really?? You callous motherfuckers.
Yeah, sure looks this is all about F#@$ you, we make the rules, serfs!'
They just couldn't give the parents their final wish: having Charlie home to die.
No words.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 28, 2017 01:31 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: kallisto at July 28, 2017 01:31 PM (n6gcM)
Sometimes He's in your face.
============
He's going to be all up in our faces for the next little bit.
Plan accordingly.
Posted by: simplemind at July 28, 2017 01:31 PM (XMIkX)
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at July 28, 2017 01:28 PM (oGRue)
Your hash is oddly appropriate for this thread.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Find the Dark Linings in the Silver Clouds at the Outrage Outlet! at July 28, 2017 01:32 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Lizzy at July 28, 2017 01:32 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: willow at July 28, 2017 01:32 PM (FKrah)
Posted by: Pinkie Tuscadero at July 28, 2017 01:32 PM (V0vUW)
Posted by: Matt "Taterhead" Damon, Nutritionologe-, Nutritiousologi-, Nutriento-, Super Good at Eating Taters at July 28, 2017 01:32 PM (JTMqu)
.... This is quickly turning me from sadness to white hot anger.
They wont pay to try to save his life.... but they require six nurses and three specialists to attend to his death.???
What the Actual Fuck? Really?? You callous motherfuckers.
Posted by: fixerupper at July 28, 2017 01:27 PM (8XRCm)
Excellent point I jumped right over. Bureaucracy at its finest.
Posted by: LASue at July 28, 2017 01:32 PM (hZ+us)
And yet, tomorrow the main story in the media will be Trump Said Something Dumb On Twitter!!!!!!111!1!11
What an incredibly, soul-crushingly stupid time to be alive.
Posted by: DocJ at July 28, 2017 01:32 PM (NYS7S)
Coming soon to a country near you
Posted by: ace
I wrote a looong essay about this back in 2011, pointing out (from personal family experience) that euthanasia-in-hospice basically already happens in the US on a daily basis -- when you get sent to "hospice care," they are in reality intentionally killing you -- they give you morphine and dilaudid purportedly to "manage pain" but in reality they are intentionally trying to suppress your breathing and heart rate so you die within a week, max. Almost no one in the US ever actually dies "from" the disease they have -- instead, they usually die from the "side"-effects of the "palliative care" they are given in hospice -- i.e. you die from a slow-motion opioid overdose, administered for that very reason by the doctors.
This is the most taboo subject in medicine.
The essay is here, for those interested
https://pjmedia.com/zombie/2011/2/21/death-channels/:
Posted by: zombie at July 28, 2017 01:33 PM (DQ4Fv)
Posted by: willow at July 28, 2017 01:33 PM (FKrah)
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at July 28, 2017 01:33 PM (oGRue)
Posted by: Lizzy at July 28, 2017 01:33 PM (NOIQH)
No comment from Tubby Riefenstahl? Must be eating a Dunkin Donuts.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 28, 2017 01:33 PM (mbhDw)
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If He wasn't merciful, the planet would be a burnt cinder long ago.
Posted by: Roy at July 28, 2017 01:30 PM (7n4KQ)
God has mercy on our souls. He leaves to us, in our free will, to f**k the hell out of this planet and our bodies.
Don't blame God for what we have chosen to do.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 28, 2017 01:33 PM (TOk1P)
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It isn't health care, it is a government jobs creation program.
Illinois is bankrupt, but they have 12,000 government employees making six figures or more.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at July 28, 2017 01:33 PM (7ZVPa)
For those who sought their own power over your welfare, I hope they are haunted by your memory. May God have mercy on their souls - because I can't find any in myself right now.
Posted by: iwuzhere at July 28, 2017 01:33 PM (jiGGU)
Posted by: Hikaru at July 28, 2017 01:34 PM (XMDuf)
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at July 28, 2017 01:33 PM (oGRue)
He was also a doctor. And a socialist.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 28, 2017 01:34 PM (mbhDw)
What the Actual Fuck? Really?? You callous motherfuckers.
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Don't be so judgemental.
Folks in the medical profession need to make a buck.
Frankly I'm surprised with that many they weren't required to have an on-site administrator, too.
Posted by: Methos has a prety dim view of the whole health care scam at July 28, 2017 01:34 PM (3Liv/)
Posted by: LASue at July 28, 2017 01:32 PM (hZ+us)
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Union regs mate!
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at July 28, 2017 01:34 PM (oGRue)
Would they help the little guy along?
srs where are the rules and their lines!
where are ours?
Posted by: willow at July 28, 2017 01:34 PM (FKrah)
It's as if he and Lindsey Graham want control of your colon
Posted by: phreshone at July 28, 2017 01:34 PM (DpOmP)
Posted by: Matt "Taterhead" Damon, Nutritionologe-, Nutritiousologi-, Nutriento-, Super Good at Eating Taters at July 28, 2017 01:34 PM (JTMqu)
Posted by: Lizzy at July 28, 2017 01:35 PM (NOIQH)
Sadly, I don't think he's got the capacity for enough political critical thinking to recognize the guilt and horror in this.
Posted by: Sporkatus at July 28, 2017 01:35 PM (eXSOZ)
Coming soon to a country near you
Posted by: ace
I wrote a looong essay about this back in 2011, pointing out (from personal family experience) that euthanasia-in-hospice basically already happens in the US on a daily basis -- when you get sent to "hospice care," they are in reality intentionally killing you -- they give you morphine and dilaudid purportedly to "manage pain" but in reality they are intentionally trying to suppress your breathing and heart rate so you die within a week, max. Almost no one in the US ever actually dies "from" the disease they have -- instead, they usually die from the "side"-effects of the "palliative care" they are given in hospice -- i.e. you die from a slow-motion opioid overdose, administered for that very reason by the doctors.
This is the most taboo subject in medicine.
The essay is here, for those interested
https://pjmedia.com/zombie/2011/2/21/death-channels/:
Posted by: zombie at July 28, 2017 01:33 PM (DQ4Fv)
Murder by numbers, 1, 2, 3...
Look, if someone checks THEMSELVES into a hospice as a way of going down to the finish line easier, no problem. Everyone gets to check out however they want.
But Zombie is right, this is just medical murder. Call it what it is and debate it on those grounds.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 28, 2017 01:35 PM (xJa6I)
Posted by: Roy at July 28, 2017 01:35 PM (7n4KQ)
Sometimes He's in your face.
============
God is a Just God.
That right there should make you feel uneasy.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Find the Dark Linings in the Silver Clouds at the Outrage Outlet! at July 28, 2017 01:35 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 28, 2017 01:35 PM (KtcMg)
Posted by: willow at July 28, 2017 01:35 PM (FKrah)
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 28, 2017 01:36 PM (LjR2k)
Posted by: Roy at July 28, 2017 01:35 PM (7n4KQ)
"Can we have his liver, then?"
- - Brit Planned Parenthood
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 28, 2017 01:36 PM (mbhDw)
The essay is here, for those interested
https://pjmedia.com/zombie/2011/2/21/death-channels/:
Posted by: zombie at July 28, 2017 01:33 PM (DQ4Fv)
I kind of suspected this when my grandmother "conveniently" died exactly the day before she was going to be released back into my grandfather's house for "hospice care".
And now it's confirmed.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 28, 2017 01:36 PM (XMDuf)
Posted by: dwight at July 28, 2017 01:36 PM (iAl7a)
Give him some ibuprofen and send him home.
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at July 28, 2017 01:36 PM (B9t7n)
Posted by: USNtakim at July 28, 2017 01:36 PM (zZWkn)
**********
this X 10000000
Posted by: Gaylord Farkemall at July 28, 2017 01:36 PM (+dsLj)
Posted by: Roy at July 28, 2017 01:35 PM (7n4KQ)
I dunno I read somewhere some countries burn the bodies for ....! I dunno
Posted by: willow at July 28, 2017 01:36 PM (FKrah)
Posted by: Roy at July 28, 2017 01:35 PM (7n4KQ)
"Can we have his liver, then?"
- - Brit Planned Parenthood
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 28, 2017 01:36 PM (mbhDw)
"ME FIRST, I'M HUNGRY!"
--John Podesta
Posted by: Hikaru at July 28, 2017 01:36 PM (XMDuf)
Posted by: NHS at July 28, 2017 01:36 PM (oGRue)
Posted by: Matt "Taterhead" Damon, Nutritionologe-, Nutritiousologi-, Nutriento-, Super Good at Eating Taters at July 28, 2017 01:34 PM (JTMqu)
Will attempt that for next week. Thanks.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 28, 2017 01:37 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 28, 2017 01:37 PM (KP5rU)
Sometimes He's in your face.
============
God is a Just God.
That right there should make you feel uneasy.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Find the Dark Linings in the Silver Clouds at the Outrage Outlet! at July 28, 2017 01:35 PM (hLRSq)
Yeah but if you want justice here, behind enemy lines, you have to make it yourself.
I suggest with rope, a blunt pike or a .45 ACP slug but I'm flexible.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 28, 2017 01:37 PM (xJa6I)
That right there should make you feel uneasy.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Find the Dark Linings in the Silver Clouds at the Outrage Outlet! at July 28, 2017 01:35 PM (hLRSq)
The glory of salvation is that it is God NOT giving us what we deserve.
May God bless his family.
Posted by: alexthechick - happy happy manatees at July 28, 2017 01:37 PM (dEQP3)
do they need that many souls to agree he is dead?
or do they need his body parts?
because I don't trust them at all now.
Posted by: willow at July 28, 2017 01:38 PM (FKrah)
Posted by: phreshone at July 28, 2017 01:34 PM (DpOmP)
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but they'll compromise and settle for just having access...
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at July 28, 2017 01:38 PM (oGRue)
Posted by: dwight at July 28, 2017 01:36 PM (iAl7a)
Government bureaucracies. Insurance companies no longer really exist.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 28, 2017 01:38 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 28, 2017 01:37 PM (mbhDw)
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Anytime.
Love,
Moron Robbie, Hate Has No Homo, etc.
Posted by: Matt "Taterhead" Damon, Nutritionologe-, Nutritiousologi-, Nutriento-, Super Good at Eating Taters at July 28, 2017 01:38 PM (JTMqu)
I wanna go out hugging 5 lbs of C4.
Flash of light, pink mist, and fini.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 28, 2017 01:38 PM (na0uG)
Posted by: Mega at July 28, 2017 01:38 PM (2PuFO)
I will be the first in a long line of people to urinate on your grave when you finally croak and we are rid of your pathetic, vile existence. Please say hello to Ted Kennedy for me then, you pissant piece of shit.
Posted by: Gaylord Farkemall at July 28, 2017 01:39 PM (+dsLj)
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whaddaya mean 'now'?
Posted by: NHS at July 28, 2017 01:39 PM (oGRue)
we all saw what you did ,you caring professionals.
Posted by: willow at July 28, 2017 01:39 PM (FKrah)
Posted by: LASue at July 28, 2017 01:40 PM (hZ+us)
Posted by: Hippocrates at July 28, 2017 01:40 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: IC at July 28, 2017 01:40 PM (a0IVu)
On the other hand, a lady at my church was put into hospice around eight years ago. She lived three more years.
Posted by: iwuzhere at July 28, 2017 01:40 PM (jiGGU)
Posted by: Lizzy
Bingo.
But Zombie is right, this is just medical murder. Call it what it is and debate it on those grounds.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
Yup.
Posted by: zombie at July 28, 2017 01:40 PM (DQ4Fv)
Posted by: zombie at July 28, 2017 01:33 PM (DQ4Fv)
That's crap.
Good physicians administered enough pain medication to their terminally ill patients to take away their pain. So what if it killed them a day earlier than their metastatic lung cancer?
It's not a taboo subject except in front of administrators and government hacks.
It is government interference that has changed that dynamic.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 28, 2017 01:40 PM (wYseH)
Posted by: Death Panel at July 28, 2017 01:40 PM (oGRue)
John McCain just wants every American to experience the same type of quailty healthcare that he recieved while he was a guest of the North Vietnamese government
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 28, 2017 01:40 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: Mega at July 28, 2017 01:38 PM (2PuFO)
The path leading to the gas chamber in Treblinka was called "the Road to Heaven." The Jews were whipped and beaten mercilessly all along the way.
I'll say this for socialism; they sure know how to name things.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 28, 2017 01:40 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: willow at July 28, 2017 01:40 PM (FKrah)
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at July 28, 2017 01:41 PM (tbOMB)
Posted by: Infidel at July 28, 2017 01:41 PM (stVBb)
Posted by: SandyCheeks at July 28, 2017 01:41 PM (joFoi)
If you wait to enter hospice when you are in intractable pain and within a few weeks of dying, hospice can ease that death.
But I have had family members with terminal illness contact hospice while still functioning and hospice was a wonderful gift for them. My cousin, who died last year from ovarian cancer, had been told at the cancer hospital she was admitted to that she had maybe a couple of weeks before death. She was depressed, overmedicated, etc.
Hospice was called, and within two days, the hospice physicians had reduced her meds, she was not just lucid but became mobile, went home, and fully lived her life, including visiting parks, taking art classes, etc. for almost two months until she became so advanced that she became bedridden, then died within a week.
Posted by: Jen the original at July 28, 2017 01:41 PM (FggK5)
Everyone seems to be missing the point here,
McCain has been given the Greatest Gift of All...
Cancer.
Nearly incurable Brain Cancer.
This is 100X better than winning an election for 6 years.
Because he never has to face the voters again.
He can be straight-up John McCain without having to pretend to honor his promises, or even pretend to have honor.
Finally, he's FREE!!!
Free to be himself. Free to dump contempt all over the voters. Free to help his cronies.
Free to piss all over the Middle Class and America, cuz they have committed the Most Terrible Sin of All - forcing John McCain to give credence to your wishes and dreams when he never wanted to.
But, now he's Free!!!
Free to live down to his worst instincts.
Free to be the smallest, bitterest, most cynical man that he can be!
Free to be an unAmerican flak for the Davos set.
Free to piss all over you and your hopes and dreams.
John McCain is free! Finally, free at last!
Posted by: naturalfake at July 28, 2017 01:42 PM (9q7Dl)
Posted by: ThunderB at July 28, 2017 01:42 PM (bLCzN)
That right there should make you feel uneasy.
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at least he isn't a socially just God.
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at July 28, 2017 01:42 PM (oGRue)
Posted by: zombie at July 28, 2017 01:21 PM (DQ4Fv)
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Well.... a few here are just AOK with that.
Posted by: fixerupper at July 28, 2017 01:22 PM (8XRCm)
Some are busy saying it's Trump's fault. I'm always amazed at the impetus to make the president a divine monarch who hold responsibility for everything including legislation controlled by another branch. Must be default human response to put all their faith or hate on one man. It is terribly simple. As a wise woman once told me, accept responsibilities and they will "make you Jesus and crucify you."
Posted by: dagny at July 28, 2017 01:42 PM (wZuWv)
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 28, 2017 01:42 PM (KtcMg)
It's one thing to halfheartedly oversee a crappy system you see no way of changing in your lifetime. It's quite another to buy into this system heart and soul, to the point where murdering babies is completely acceptable and even necessary to prop up said system.
Monstrous. And foreboding.
Posted by: LizLem at July 28, 2017 01:43 PM (hvf9s)
Posted by: Mega at July 28, 2017 01:43 PM (2PuFO)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 28, 2017 01:43 PM (KP5rU)
I wanna go out hugging 5 lbs of C4.
Flash of light, pink mist, and fini.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 28, 2017 01:38 PM (na0uG)
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sweeps week on Mythbusters
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at July 28, 2017 01:43 PM (oGRue)
I wonder if the NHS people involved with dooming Charlie to death will sleep restlessly tonight over their decisions, or will they sleep soundly like babies.
I'll go with sleep like a baby
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 28, 2017 01:44 PM (lKyWE)
Flash of light, pink mist, and fini.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 28, 2017 01:38 PM (na0uG)
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FIFY
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at July 28, 2017 01:44 PM (oGRue)
That's crap.
Good physicians administered enough pain medication to their terminally ill patients to take away their pain. So what if it killed them a day earlier than their metastatic lung cancer?
It's not a taboo subject except in front of administrators and government hacks.
It is government interference that has changed that dynamic.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 28, 2017 01:40 PM (wYseH)
No so-called healthcare professional should ever be administering medications to speed the process along.
Ever.
For any reason.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 28, 2017 01:44 PM (TOk1P)
I wanna go out hugging 5 lbs of C4.
Flash of light, pink mist, and fini.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 28, 2017 01:38 PM (na0uG)
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sweeps week on Mythbusters
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at July 28, 2017 01:43 PM (oGRue)
Daffy Duck cartoon swallowing the gasoline and lit match.
"That was terrific, Daffy! They want more!"
"Yeah, yeah, I know. But I can only do it once...."
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 28, 2017 01:44 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at July 28, 2017 01:44 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 28, 2017 01:44 PM (LjR2k)
I wanna go out hugging 5 lbs of C4.
Flash of light, pink mist, and fini.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 28, 2017 01:38 PM (na0uG)
I like this idea.
But huck it at someone who deserves it more.
If I'm gonna die, gonna die trying to make the world a little better.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 28, 2017 01:45 PM (xJa6I)
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Insert the cs lewis quote --->HERE!!
Posted by: Hippocrates at July 28, 2017 01:45 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: reality man at July 28, 2017 01:45 PM (xOBRH)
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 28, 2017 01:44 PM (LjR2k)
And the Farsis too.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 28, 2017 01:45 PM (mbhDw)
sleep restlessly tonight over their decisions, or will they sleep
soundly like babies.
They'll sleep like rocks, thinking themselves brave heroes for standing up for the NHS.
Britain is dying and it's their own citizens choking-off the flow of O2 to their brains.
Posted by: DocJ at July 28, 2017 01:45 PM (NYS7S)
Posted by: Matt "Taterhead" Damon, Nutritionologe-, Nutritiousologi-, Nutriento-, Super Good at Eating Taters
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You have a specialized set of "skills" don't you sir?
Posted by: simplemind at July 28, 2017 01:45 PM (C6/s1)
Posted by: dagny at July 28, 2017 01:45 PM (wZuWv)
Posted by: Witchdoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at July 28, 2017 01:45 PM (eytER)
For your viewing pleasure. I'm sure it went down like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF_fRUM2_Xg
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at July 28, 2017 01:45 PM (ymnmz)
Posted by: willow at July 28, 2017 01:40 PM (FKrah)
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come back soon so we can get a nood
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at July 28, 2017 01:45 PM (oGRue)
ooops.... off sock.
Posted by: fixerupper at July 28, 2017 01:45 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 28, 2017 01:46 PM (KP5rU)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 28, 2017 01:46 PM (IqV8l)
Posted by: Jen the original at July 28, 2017 01:41 PM (FggK5)
I agree with you.
At least in this country, and for the time being, hospice care seems to work relatively well.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 28, 2017 01:46 PM (wYseH)
I often wonder what happened to that asshole.
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at July 28, 2017 01:46 PM (B9t7n)
sleep restlessly tonight over their decisions, or will they sleep
soundly like babies.
They'll sleep like rocks, thinking themselves brave heroes for standing up for the NHS.
Britain is dying and it's their own citizens choking-off the flow of O2 to their brains.
Posted by: DocJ at July 28, 2017 01:45 PM (NYS7S)
What the Muslims can't behead, the NHS will off.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 28, 2017 01:46 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: Penfold at July 28, 2017 01:46 PM (Fbt5B)
Posted by: kallisto at July 28, 2017 01:47 PM (n6gcM)
Posted by: joncelli,
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If "we" follow them, after watching the "shi+ show" that is happening/going to keep happening to them, "we" will actually be worse.
Posted by: simplemind at July 28, 2017 01:47 PM (8Ojhe)
Posted by: Jen the original
I'm not saying that ALL hospice care is aggressive euthanasia. Your cousin got lucky and got into a good program. What I'm saying is that SOME hospice care (and the more extreme "palliative care") has as its goal to accelerate the death via intentional over-dosing of pain meds. Since that essay I;ve talked to a lot of doctors, and they confirm this. Yes, it's a "painless" death, which is the supposed point, but it's also a quicker death, which is what most hospitals don't want to admit (in those places where it happens).
Posted by: zombie at July 28, 2017 01:47 PM (DQ4Fv)
Look him up on LinkedIn and send him a reminder.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 28, 2017 01:47 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: Hikaru at July 28, 2017 01:48 PM (XMDuf)
We take our dogs to the vet and ask them to kill them easily so that they will not suffer.
People are not dogs.
But we care enough about our dogs to end their suffering.
I don't know. Murky.
Posted by: blaster at July 28, 2017 01:48 PM (lI6Jo)
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you know who won't be sleeping like a baby?
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at July 28, 2017 01:48 PM (oGRue)
Posted by: Not a Death Panel at July 28, 2017 01:48 PM (Ckg4U)
Posted by: Strobe at July 28, 2017 01:48 PM (gbWkA)
Posted by: Maritime at July 28, 2017 01:48 PM (1+bvq)
Posted by: BurtTC at July 28, 2017 01:44 PM (TOk1P)
Read what I wrote.
If death is a consequence of relief from the intractable pain of a terminal disease, then so be it.
The purpose is not to cause death but to alleviate suffering.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 28, 2017 01:48 PM (wYseH)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 28, 2017 01:48 PM (IqV8l)
GHOULS.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 28, 2017 01:48 PM (XMDuf)
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Hmmm.
When does "MOTHERFUCKERS" get to be the word of day??
Posted by: fixerupper at July 28, 2017 01:48 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 28, 2017 01:49 PM (mbhDw)
Look him up on LinkedIn and send him a reminder.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton
Heh. I like how you think.
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at July 28, 2017 01:49 PM (B9t7n)
Hmmm.
When does "MOTHERFUCKERS" get to be the word of day??
Posted by: fixerupper at July 28, 2017 01:48 PM (8XRCm)
If you were Samuel L. Jackson, that would be the word of the day EVERYDAY.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 28, 2017 01:49 PM (XMDuf)
Posted by: alexthechick - happy happy manatees at July 28, 2017 01:30 PM (dEQP3)
Probably why they couldn't find a hospice willing to take him if they would have had to kill him on the 23rd hour.
Posted by: redbanzai at July 28, 2017 01:49 PM (rAIG/)
Posted by: Bernie Fags, Everywhere at July 28, 2017 01:50 PM (UOBq3)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 28, 2017 01:50 PM (xJa6I)
Posted by: NHS Bureaucrats at July 28, 2017 01:50 PM (BWL+E)
Posted by: Soothie at July 28, 2017 01:50 PM (7+Mqs)
43 years old. I was 19 yo and in Cali on vacation and got the call in the middle of the night.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 28, 2017 01:50 PM (ul9CR)
(602) 542-4331
Posted by: Maritime at July 28, 2017 01:50 PM (1+bvq)
Posted by: Maritime at July 28, 2017 01:48 PM (1+bvq)
Unless I miss my guess, they'll plant him in Arlington and make a big spectacle out of it.
Feh. My blood has boiled off and the platelets are browning in the pan.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 28, 2017 01:50 PM (mbhDw)
was the score given to Charlie by my Complete Lives System calculation... therefore the level of free health care to be deposited to Charlie will be Zero.
Posted by: Ezekial Emanuel at July 28, 2017 01:50 PM (xOBRH)
I often wonder what happened to that asshole.
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at July 28, 2017 01:46 PM (B9t7n)
My first election was 2008. My gut told me Obama was horrendous, and John McCain would only be slightly better. I now feel totally vindicated in that decision, despite all the grief I received from my conservative family/friends (I'm in a deep blue state so I'm not sure why it matters, anyway). In 2012 I voted for Romney because I had been confirmed in my suspicion over the prior 4 years. However, it was much the same kind of vote- lesser of 2 evils.
I think 2016 is the last election I vote for the lesser of 2 evils. I actually like Trump, he obviously loves America and that was enough for me given the last 8 years. But in general, from now on even if I see an R next to their name and it's a guy like McCain or Ryan?
I'm throwing my vote to the Libertarians out of spite. My only exception will be if they have a history of being strong 2A advocates.
Posted by: The Deplorable Mr. Trumpkin at July 28, 2017 01:50 PM (wwd4n)
In their world everything works. If the trains by some miracle fail to run on time, a quick Congressional hearing to root out the waste, fraud and abuse will rapidly solve the problem.
Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at July 28, 2017 01:50 PM (ylUqT)
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 28, 2017 01:51 PM (0fHCj)
Posted by: Soothie at July 28, 2017 01:51 PM (7+Mqs)
Posted by: Government Healthcare at July 28, 2017 01:51 PM (Ckg4U)
Posted by: The Deplorable Mr. Trumpkin at July 28, 2017 01:51 PM (wwd4n)
Posted by: Meggie Mac at July 28, 2017 01:52 PM (rAIG/)
Posted by: nip at July 28, 2017 01:52 PM (VqJRJ)
I guarantee you had say Jeb or Rubio been President, McCain would have voted on some reform package.
This was his way of sticking his finger in Trump's eye.
Posted by: Maritime at July 28, 2017 01:52 PM (1+bvq)
I live in AZ and look forward to the idea of pissing on McCain's grave.
Posted by: Maritime at July 28, 2017 01:48 PM (1+bvq)
I don't understand why the grass on dad's grave is always so yellow.
Posted by: Meggie Mac at July 28, 2017 01:52 PM (rAIG/)
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I realized I needed to correct one thing. Fixed now.
Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at July 28, 2017 01:52 PM (ylUqT)
Posted by: Meggie Mac at July 28, 2017 01:52 PM (rAIG/)
Old yellow stain....
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 28, 2017 01:52 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: Jackal at July 28, 2017 01:52 PM (mPqyJ)
Posted by: LASue at July 28, 2017 01:30 PM (hZ+us)
You Rang?
Posted by: John McCain at July 28, 2017 01:31 PM (XMDuf)
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And John lives on! He will still, for a while yet, be able to get his nails buffed, do the rounds at the Georgetown cocktail parties, and play his on-line video poker during senate sessions and joke around with his many colleagues, as it turns out, are both Rs and Ds.
I just don't know anymore.
Posted by: washrivergal at July 28, 2017 01:53 PM (2+gSO)
Damn fucking shame since England is the home of the modern hospice movement. Now they are just into death as quickly as possible.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at July 28, 2017 01:53 PM (vg8iE)
Posted by: Mega at July 28, 2017 01:43 PM (2PuFO)
9 government workers overseeing death...9 ringwraiths...coincidence?
Posted by: LizLem at July 28, 2017 01:53 PM (hvf9s)
could the next thread be a topic of good news. True would be a bonus...
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at July 28, 2017 01:53 PM (oGRue)
Posted by: Seems Legit at July 28, 2017 01:54 PM (U+nHb)
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 28, 2017 01:54 PM (LjR2k)
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 28, 2017 01:42 PM (KtcMg)
They were great for my father as well. The dosing of the liquid morphine was up to my father and then when he was no longer able to talk, we only dosed him if he was in obvious pain. He lived at home. He lived about 4 months after we called hospice.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 28, 2017 01:54 PM (Ri/rl)
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at July 28, 2017 01:53 PM (oGRue)
But no clowns!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 28, 2017 01:54 PM (wYseH)
Sanders boomed at one point (in his very weird voice, a shouting lisp, if you will) that "This is about whether people will have medical care!!!"
I muttered in response under my breath,
"The sort of 'medical care' which poor little Charlie Gard received? 'Medical care' which routinely and coldly deems people to be 'life unworthy of life'? 'Medical care' which both intends and actively hastens the demises of those deemed inconvenient to the State? That kind of 'medical care', Bernie?"
Posted by: torquewrench at July 28, 2017 01:54 PM (ujwCG)
Bless his heart.
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 28, 2017 01:55 PM (MINbv)
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 28, 2017 01:54 PM (LjR2k)
So if you drank 3.3 times as much you could be almost diabetes-free!
(Well, I tried.)
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at July 28, 2017 01:55 PM (RD7QR)
God bless you, little Charlie.
Posted by: MWR, Public Intellectual, aka Beth at July 28, 2017 01:56 PM (4df7R)
It's appointed for man to die and then after death, the judgement.
Remember the final judge is the only really important one and nobody gets by him.
Posted by: goodluckduck at July 28, 2017 01:56 PM (yqvys)
Posted by: Jen the original at July 28, 2017 01:41 PM (FggK5)
I agree with you.
At least in this country, and for the time being, hospice care seems to work relatively well.
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I didn't read Zombie's essay. Sorry for your loss and anyone else who has gone through this. I lost one rent already to cancer years back and the other is gradually declining but still battling to stay at home.
If Zombie's thesis would require me to believe that Plaintiff's lawyers do not exist or do exist and do not like to sue overdose cases in nursing homes then I can't do it.
In general overdoses do occur and the are typically accidental and or product of failing metabolism and the body's inability to breakdown the opiod and so the level actually goes up and subsequent doses are additive. Hospice doctors generally don't want anyone in hospice to have any pain if it can be avoided - because why? so they do tend to try and stop pain. Understanding that death is a foregone conclusion they will typically balance the scale more on alleviating pain and it can be some cases very difficult to control pain and maintain respiratory drive on someone who refuses intubation.
No offense intended to anyone.
Posted by: simplemind at July 28, 2017 01:56 PM (XMIkX)
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at July 28, 2017 01:53 PM (oGRue)
Hah, you beat me to it. I was just gonna say that if all the threads today are as happy as the last two, we will need a puppy/happy thread sometime to counteract the gloom.
Posted by: LizLem at July 28, 2017 01:56 PM (hvf9s)
Posted by: bicentennialguy at July 28, 2017 01:56 PM (vg8iE)
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They move heaven and earth to cause his death. They didn't lift a finger to prevent it. Hell, they fought FOR it.
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at July 28, 2017 01:56 PM (oGRue)
I live in AZ and look forward to the idea of pissing on McCain's grave.
Posted by: Maritime at July 28, 2017 01:48 PM (1+bvq)
Post coordinates on google earth, so everyone can deliver their condolences.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at July 28, 2017 01:57 PM (tbOMB)
People will always have medical care. This is just figuring out who pays for it.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 28, 2017 01:57 PM (na0uG)
Posted by: Insomniac - Not Disappointed, Just Angry at July 28, 2017 01:57 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: Duke of Righteous WTF? at July 28, 2017 01:57 PM (T71PA)
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at July 28, 2017 01:53 PM (oGRue)
Hah, you beat me to it. I was just gonna say that if all the threads today are as happy as the last two, we will need a puppy/happy thread sometime to counteract the gloom.
Posted by: LizLem at July 28, 2017 01:56 PM (hvf9s)
I was going to post a link to Leta Olia music videos but didn't feel appropriate in this thread.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 28, 2017 01:57 PM (xJa6I)
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 28, 2017 01:57 PM (LjR2k)
Posted by: LizLem at July 28, 2017 01:53 PM (hvf9s)
And Nine Circles of Hell, according to Dante.
Posted by: MWR, Public Intellectual, aka Beth at July 28, 2017 01:57 PM (4df7R)
Posted by: Seems Legit at July 28, 2017 01:57 PM (U+nHb)
Posted by: wth at July 28, 2017 01:57 PM (HgMAr)
The last Libertarian candidate was a joke. All for legalized weed, but no defense religious liberty.
Posted by: goodluckduck at July 28, 2017 01:57 PM (yqvys)
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 28, 2017 01:54 PM (LjR2k)
So if you drank 3.3 times as much you could be almost diabetes-free!
(Well, I tried.)
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at July 28, 2017 01:55 PM (RD7QR)
So daiquiris basically cancel themselves out?
Posted by: Insomniac - Not Disappointed, Just Angry at July 28, 2017 01:58 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 28, 2017 01:58 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: Infidel at July 28, 2017 01:58 PM (stVBb)
It's appointed for man to die and then after death, the judgement.
Remember the final judge is the only really important one and nobody gets by him.
Posted by: goodluckduck at July 28, 2017 01:56 PM (yqvys)
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Fuck that. McCain's action will cause tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people to experience painful deaths in the future.
I hope he experiences nothing but hell from now until the day he finally goes away.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 28, 2017 01:58 PM (0fHCj)
was the score given to Charlie by my Complete Lives System calculation... therefore the level of free health care to be deposited to Charlie will be Zero.
Posted by: Ezekial Emanuel at July 28, 2017 01:50 PM (xOBRH)
And just wait until YOUR "Complete Lives System" meets OUR "Complete Lives System"!
Posted by: The Islamic Ummah at July 28, 2017 01:58 PM (9TK8E)
Posted by: BurtTC at July 28, 2017 01:44 PM (TOk1P)
Read what I wrote.
If death is a consequence of relief from the intractable pain of a terminal disease, then so be it.
The purpose is not to cause death but to alleviate suffering.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
Ah, but now you're getting down to the core issue.
Here is the dilemma:
If a person has an extreme ailment causing extreme pain. if you give them powerful opioids, they have two inescapable effects:
1. Relieve pain
2. Suppress vital signs and life functions, which suppress any possible recovery and accelerate death.
Neither one of these are "side"-effects -- they are both well-d=known and well-documented primary effects.
So when a palliative-care doctor give a sick patient dilaudid to "ease the pain," the doctor KNOWS that the drug is also going to kill the patient. He can'r feign faux-ignorance, or say disingenuously that he's only giving the drug to ease the pain. He knows that the drug is also going to kill the person.
As you said, if the patient has pre-requested this form of treatment ahead of time in a Medical Directive, then it might be OK to do; but in many many cases there IS no directive, and the person is placed into palliative care anyway, because there's "nothing more that can be done" for them medically.
This is not a debate about the morality of euthanasia or physician-assisted suicide; all I';m trying to say is that this ALREADY HAPPENS in the US constantly, but no one wants to publicly admit it.
If you're in favor of euthanasia, fine, we can have that debate. I just want it to be out in the open, and not a sub rosa de facto practice hidden from public view.
Posted by: zombie at July 28, 2017 01:59 PM (DQ4Fv)
THIS.
I was a Cruz guy, and had no problem switching to Trump because I believe he truly loves this country.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at July 28, 2017 01:59 PM (8iiMU)
Posted by: Seems Legit at July 28, 2017 01:57 PM (U+nHb)
Pinochet/Trebuchet '17
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 28, 2017 01:59 PM (mbhDw)
And Ducey will be the one to name a replacement after McTumor either dies in office or has to resign his seat due to incapacity.
Ducey's no doubt hot on keeping Obamacare for the same reason his GOP gubernatorial predecessor Jan Brewer was intent upon getting into it: that big bolus of federal Medicaid money helping to prop up Arizona's considerable nursing home industry.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 28, 2017 01:59 PM (ujwCG)
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at July 28, 2017 01:53 PM (oGRue)
But no clowns!
So, not about politics?
Posted by: Blanco Basura at July 28, 2017 01:59 PM (IZPn8)
John McCain - there are no words that I can write without being banned about your consistent betrayal to the party and people you pretend to represent. You will have your day in a court that you will not be able to avoid or lie to.
Posted by: Cheri at July 28, 2017 01:59 PM (oiNtH)
If i may make a request?
could the next thread be a topic of good news. True would be a bonus...
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at July 28, 2017 01:53 PM (oGRue)
yes please. I am having a hard time trying not to cry at work.
Posted by: IC at July 28, 2017 01:59 PM (a0IVu)
Posted by: Seems Legit at July 28, 2017 01:57 PM (U+nHb)
Not just not exempt, but it is mandatory...
*ponders dreamily*
Posted by: LizLem at July 28, 2017 01:59 PM (hvf9s)
Posted by: Witchdoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at July 28, 2017 01:45 PM (eytER)
They wrote their own epitaph as a tragicomic dystopia. "Dr. Who: The Sunmakers."
It starts with a worker relieved to his father's high weight upon death because of the death/recycling credit he'd get, then shocked to discover the cost and taxes and that he'd have to work without sleep to pay for it.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 28, 2017 01:59 PM (wB8Tg)
I live in AZ and look forward to the idea of pissing on McCain's grave.
Posted by: Maritime at July 28, 2017 01:48 PM (1+bvq)
Post coordinates on google earth, so everyone can deliver their condolences.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at July 28, 2017 01:57 PM (tbOMB)
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remember, AZ soil is ripe for flash flooding. so pace yourselves
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at July 28, 2017 02:00 PM (oGRue)
Posted by: torabora at July 28, 2017 02:00 PM (6dFYM)
Now I'm in tears. May God give his family peace, and may little Charlie find rest for eternity.
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 28, 2017 02:00 PM (MINbv)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 28, 2017 01:54 PM (wYseH)
As I get older, clowns bother me less and less.
They dress less bizarrely and wear less makeup than most millennials.
Posted by: The Islamic Ummah at July 28, 2017 02:00 PM (9TK8E)
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 28, 2017 02:00 PM (0fHCj)
Posted by: zombie at July 28, 2017 01:59 PM (DQ4Fv)
Isn't Rosa De Facto that congresswoman from CT?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 28, 2017 02:00 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: GnuBreed at July 28, 2017 02:00 PM (6jaju)
I am incapable of being any more angry, any more outraged.
I can be no sadder for the innocents than I already am.
All I can do is find a way to seek some form of justice, in this world or the next.
...And when the Lamb opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony they had upheld. And they cried out in a loud voice, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge those who live on the earth” and avenge our blood? Then each of them was given a white robe and told to rest a little while longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers, were killed, just as they had been killed.… --Rev. 6:9-11
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at July 28, 2017 02:01 PM (AM1GF)
Posted by: goodluckduck at July 28, 2017 01:56 PM (yqvys)
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You're referring to our 2008 Republican presidential candidate, right?
Posted by: Matt "Taterhead" Damon, Nutritionologe-, Nutritiousologi-, Nutriento-, Super Good at Eating Taters at July 28, 2017 02:01 PM (JTMqu)
Posted by: zombie at July 28, 2017 01:59 PM (DQ4Fv)
Isn't Rosa De Facto that congresswoman from CT?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 28, 2017 02:00 PM (mbhDw)
Has a face that could make a train take a dirt road.
Posted by: Insomniac - Not Disappointed, Just Angry at July 28, 2017 02:01 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: Hikaru at July 28, 2017 02:01 PM (9TK8E)
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Sure, as long as the pathway is a long flight of stairs.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at July 28, 2017 02:01 PM (vg8iE)
Or Rosa Dilaudid?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 28, 2017 02:01 PM (mbhDw)
The last Libertarian candidate was a joke. All for legalized weed, but no defense religious liberty.
Posted by: goodluckduck at July 28, 2017 01:57 PM (yqvys)
Don't remind me. Also shaky on gun rights. If I had hated Trump I would have voted for Stein for a laugh.
I wonder if you can get a MM card if you tell your doctor the reason is "a collapse of all hope in the future of America and dread for the marching boots of Socialism".
Posted by: The Deplorable Mr. Trumpkin at July 28, 2017 02:02 PM (wwd4n)
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at July 28, 2017 01:53 PM (oGRue)
Hillary! will never be President.
Anthony Weiner will never be President.
Jeb! will never be President.
Yoko will not be on tonight's ONT.
(Given my nic, I approve of your hash.)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 28, 2017 02:02 PM (ctuyM)
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 28, 2017 02:02 PM (LjR2k)
Eh. He's wishing painful death on me and my family.
Only real difference is, he had the power to make his wish a reality.
Posted by: Witchdoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at July 28, 2017 02:02 PM (eytER)
Posted by: zombie at July 28, 2017 01:59 PM (DQ4Fv)
I don't know how to square this circle. I am not in favor of euthanasia.
I know powerful opioids slow heart rate and breathing.
I've watched my grandparents and my father die. If they are in pain I'm pushing the narcotics to ease their pain.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 28, 2017 02:03 PM (Ri/rl)
Posted by: simplemind at July 28, 2017 01:56 PM (XMIkX)
That was a good explanation....
Thanks.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 28, 2017 02:03 PM (wYseH)
There are a couple versions of 'hospice' care in this country. One is obviously end of life. The other is predominately for the elderly who have recently had an injury or operation and need more thorough round the clock nursing care available. They don't need to be in a hospital, and perhaps families can't devote time to care-giving at that level. Medications are dutifully administered, meals are provided, resident assistants provide assistance with daily activities and nursing care is available.
Many senior and 'assisted living' facilities regularly provide hospice care for weeks and months. The patient eventually gets better and goes home in the end.
Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at July 28, 2017 02:03 PM (EgwCt)
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 28, 2017 02:02 PM (LjR2k)
Well, we can charge them for our Navy, Air Force, Soldiers and Marines vis a vis North Korea, no?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 28, 2017 02:03 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: Max Power at July 28, 2017 02:03 PM (q177U)
Posted by: goodluckduck at July 28, 2017 01:56 PM (yqvys)
I don't know what people think they're going to accomplish other than venting their spleen.
I'm pretty sick of everything right now, even other people who are sick of everything.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 28, 2017 02:03 PM (wB8Tg)
Posted by: Matt "Taterhead" Damon, Nutritionologe-, Nutritiousologi-, Nutriento-, Super Good at Eating Taters at July 28, 2017 02:04 PM (JTMqu)
Bring our yer must-be-dead-for-insurance-reasons!
Posted by: Eric Idle at July 28, 2017 02:04 PM (oGRue)
Posted by: IC at July 28, 2017 01:40 PM (a0IVu)
God had nothing to do with this. Humans, equipped with free will, effectively murdered a child in order to ensure the authority of the State was asserted and maintained.
Posted by: troyriser at July 28, 2017 02:04 PM (Fw5cQ)
Posted by: Matt at July 28, 2017 02:04 PM (JTMqu)
Posted by: zombie at July 28, 2017 01:59 PM (DQ4Fv)
I understand the sentiment, but euthanasia implies intent to kill. Palliation may result in death, but has a different intent. The acts might be indistinguishable from a pharmacological point of view, but the intent is critical, both in ethics and law.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at July 28, 2017 02:04 PM (CPk08)
Eh. He's wishing painful death on me and my family.
Only real difference is, he had the power to make his wish a reality.
Posted by: Witchdoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at July 28, 2017 02:02 PM (eytER)
Exactly. Ghoul McPlanecrash has announced his Intent and his WILL to kill you and others like you.
Ghoul Shot First.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 28, 2017 02:05 PM (9TK8E)
Posted by: Madonna, Kathy Griffin, Kohnny Depp, Joss Whedon, etc etc at July 28, 2017 02:05 PM (hvf9s)
I think I am going to take a little stroll to the market, and then to my local news vendor and buy my Mega Millions tickets.
After 10 days in Italy, I return to a week from hell.
Be back later.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 28, 2017 02:05 PM (mbhDw)
Posted by: Matt "Taterhead" Damon, Nutritionologe-, Nutritiousologi-, Nutriento-, Super Good at Eating Taters at July 28, 2017 02:04 PM (JTMqu)
Twenty miserable, tumor-ridden years.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 28, 2017 02:05 PM (9TK8E)
Posted by: Fritz at July 28, 2017 02:06 PM (2Mnv1)
Never say the universe doesn't have a sense of humor. Black humor, perhaps, but still.
Posted by: rickl at July 28, 2017 02:06 PM (xjiRE)
Good, they can pay for their own military defense. Maybe our beef prices will go down.
Posted by: Infidel at July 28, 2017 02:06 PM (stVBb)
This is why the left always wins. When will the right stop with this righteous morality bullshit? They want you dead. They will gladly celebrate your death. But here you are clutching pearls that someone wishes the old senile fuck dead too. That's not how you win wars.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 28, 2017 02:06 PM (0fHCj)
I can only hope that he has not forsaken us...
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 28, 2017 02:06 PM (MINbv)
This is why the left always wins. When will the right stop with this righteous morality bullshit? They want you dead. They will gladly celebrate your death. But here you are clutching pearls that someone wishes the old senile fuck dead too. That's not how you win wars.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 28, 2017 02:06 PM (0fHCj)
Well, if we stop wishing painful death on them, then there's the alternative - [REDACTED]
Think about that.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 28, 2017 02:07 PM (mbhDw)
After 10 days in Italy, I return to a week from hell.
Be back later
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Hey - when you come back bring the slide projector and vacation slides.
Posted by: simplemind at July 28, 2017 02:07 PM (X9dO1)
Animals are unaware of their state, they have no self awareness. HUGE difference between a person or an animal, or there used to be. Now that we have lost the concept of a soul or the difference between a "dumb beast" ie one without the ability to reason and a human we get lost in relativism.
Once you decide that human life is expendable depending on relative circumstance, then any human life is relative.
The left loves this because all that matters is the collective. The great grey mass can lose people on the fringes, because it makes the collective stronger--all is relative to the leviathan.
Posted by: dagny at July 28, 2017 02:07 PM (wZuWv)
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at July 28, 2017 02:07 PM (8iiMU)
It's appointed for man to die and then after death, the judgement.
Remember the final judge is the only really important one and nobody gets by him."
-Posted by: goodluckduck at July 28, 2017 01:56 PM (yqvys)
THEY made the rules. They will be forced to LIVE By Them.
As Christians?
We get to Repent on Sunday, whereas these bags of vinegar and water have nowhere to go.
Our silliness and Make-Funnery pales in comparison to the unbridled vitriol spewed by those who would see us dead;
Not by law, but by the sheer emotional drive of debaucherous lunatics.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), at July 28, 2017 02:07 PM (Ckg4U)
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what's that going to do to the price of porterhouse pron?
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at July 28, 2017 02:08 PM (oGRue)
And now it's confirmed.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 28, 2017 01:36 PM (XMDuf)
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So did Carl...
Posted by: SMFH at July 28, 2017 02:08 PM (s5Kql)
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 28, 2017 02:06 PM (0fHCj)
I get the whole "God always wins in The End" mentality, but that shouldn't mean we have to let the Left win on Earth.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 28, 2017 02:08 PM (9TK8E)
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/271278/
Posted by: steevy at July 28, 2017 02:09 PM (rmVvL)
Time for the Gards to immediately emigrate to Texas. The US and Texas have their own problems, but we aren't quite that far down the organized murder via health "care" rat hole.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 28, 2017 02:09 PM (veoSD)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at July 28, 2017 02:09 PM (IZPn8)
Posted by: Hikaru at July 28, 2017 02:08 PM (9TK8E)
I think God stopped giving a fuck a long time ago, assuming he ever did.
Posted by: Insomniac - Not Disappointed, Just Angry at July 28, 2017 02:09 PM (0mRoj)
This is why the left always wins. When will the right stop with this righteous morality bullshit? They want you dead. They will gladly celebrate your death. But here you are clutching pearls that someone wishes the old senile fuck dead too. That's not how you win wars.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 28, 2017 02:06 PM (0fHCj)
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Thisthisthis
Posted by: SMFH at July 28, 2017 02:10 PM (s5Kql)
Yes, it's truly a slippery slope.
All you have to do to know how this ends is to watch the reaction on the Left when someone on the right has a health issue - Scalise, McCain - as so many gleefully promote withholding care for political reasons.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 28, 2017 02:10 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at July 28, 2017 02:04 PM (CPk0
You said that very well.
We never gave my grandparents or my father morphine because it was time, we dosed them when they were moaning and in pain. We also fed them, gave them fluids. We were able to keep them at their own homes.
My MIL is an AA fanatic and told me I was killing my father on purpose. That really offended me. My MIL better hope the kids don't with hold all pain meds when she's on her death bed.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 28, 2017 02:10 PM (Ri/rl)
Posted by: SMFH at July 28, 2017 02:10 PM (s5Kql)
Honestly wish Trump would offer them expedited immigration.
Their next child should be born and raised here.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 28, 2017 02:11 PM (NOIQH)
There's a surprising number of Brits in Texas. Oddly enough, they seem to like it here. Can't imagine why. ..
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 28, 2017 02:11 PM (MINbv)
They also stop you from getting treatment elsewhere, because the main thing is that they kill you.
Well, I'd like to see
[* NOW CUT THAT KIND OF TALK OUT RIGHT NOW!!! BOB@NSA IS SPYING ON US. DO YOU WANT TO GET BANNED???*]
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at July 28, 2017 02:11 PM (vRcUp)
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I'm not going to wish death on anyone. I'm also not going to tell anyone else here what to say or do but I will suggest two things: 1) rolling in hate will Not improve your own situation; and 2) don't get mad, get even.
Posted by: simplemind at July 28, 2017 02:12 PM (pqgrk)
Posted by: zombie at July 28, 2017 01:59 PM (DQ4Fv)
And I should add this: yes, an MD CAN say that he's only giving the drug to ease pain and does not want to kill. Been there, done that. It is absolutely no fun, but totally ethical, and it really sucks....What can I say. Sometimes you don't have a choice. You warn everybody relevant of the almost certainty of death. Some welcome it, it's true. But my intent was never, ever, to kill, even if theirs was to die.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at July 28, 2017 02:12 PM (CPk08)
Posted by: SMFH at July 28, 2017 02:12 PM (s5Kql)
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at July 28, 2017 02:12 PM (Nwg0u)
Nevermind, federalism is out of style.
Posted by: dagny at July 28, 2017 02:12 PM (wZuWv)
Posted by: The Deplorable Mr. Trumpkin at July 28, 2017 02:13 PM (wwd4n)
Sure, come on in. We are at least 20 years behind England. Here in ETEX anyway. Maybe 25. I and Mrs. E will be going to the range today so she can sight in her .270 for deer season. I am just burning up 9mm and 5.56 because I feel like it.
Posted by: Eromero at July 28, 2017 02:13 PM (zLDYs)
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at July 28, 2017 02:13 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at July 28, 2017 02:13 PM (Nwg0u)
Never Forget that you are a part of the Backbone of this place.
Our strength through you. Your strength through us. OUR strength through God.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), at July 28, 2017 02:13 PM (Ckg4U)
304 296,
There's a surprising number of Brits in Texas. Oddly enough, they seem to like it here. Can't imagine why. ..
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 28, 2017 02:11 PM (MINbv)
Lots of empire expatriates. I have a friend who emigrated to Texas from Australia, she has the most delightfully odd accent, a mix of both places.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 28, 2017 02:13 PM (veoSD)
OK, my son has been joking about this because it's so insane - and now it's already happened? You cannot parody these people.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 28, 2017 02:14 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Insomniac - Not Disappointed, Just Angry at July 28, 2017 02:09 PM (0mRoj)
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Oh, He gives a fuck.
Children are proof of that.
Posted by: SMFH at July 28, 2017 02:14 PM (s5Kql)
Damn fucking shame since England is the home of the modern hospice movement. Now they are just into death as quickly as possible.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at July 28, 2017 01:53 PM (vg8iE)
That particular statement really frosted me. They did no such thing, They actively thwarted efforts of that baby's parents to have control over his care-the people who WERE moving heaven and earth for that child.
And then that bit about dying as soon as he is moved into hospice for insurance reasons? There has to be a special place in hell for people like this.
Posted by: moki at July 28, 2017 02:14 PM (V+V48)
Constitutionally, I don't know how much the feds can impose on states who don't want their cities cleaned of MS13.
Nevermind, federalism is out of style.
Posted by: dagny at July 28, 2017 02:12 PM (wZuWv)
They can only come in and get people on immigration stuff, and fed violations, I guess.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at July 28, 2017 02:14 PM (8iiMU)
Posted by: Planned Parenthood at July 28, 2017 02:15 PM (aZq03)
WTF is happening anymore. Time to buy more guns and ammo...
Posted by: Grimaldi at July 28, 2017 02:15 PM (V/f/L)
Posted by: steevy at July 28, 2017 02:15 PM (rmVvL)
somehow i created a variable called "Anal_targ" in an unfinished line of code.
whatever was i thinking?
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at July 28, 2017 02:15 PM (oGRue)
Posted by: zombie at July 28, 2017 01:59 PM (DQ4Fv)
I understand the sentiment, but euthanasia implies intent to kill. Palliation may result in death, but has a different intent. The acts might be indistinguishable from a pharmacological point of view, but the intent is critical, both in ethics and law.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In
This right here is the crux of the issue. Thanks for bringing it up.
Because it is, in most states, illegal for doctors to intentionally kill a patient, they CAN'T necessarily be honest about their intent. because of this, despite what the hospital or doctor says, we don't really know their real intent.
I have had a lot of conversation with doctors about this very subject over the years, and a majority of them were pretty frank about it -- "getting it over with" is usually cited by them as a desirable effect of extreme pain med dosage. They see "prolonging suffering" as a form of unnecessary torture. So, yeah, accelerate the end of life by suppressing breathing, immune system and heart rate.
But they can never admit it openly, to the patient's family, or to a medical board.
Posted by: zombie at July 28, 2017 02:16 PM (DQ4Fv)
***
In the 50s/60s the Democrats wanted to give the Klan free reign.
How did we stop them then?
Posted by: 18-1 at July 28, 2017 02:16 PM (aZq03)
323 And the bad news keeps coming.James Cameron looking to reboot The Terminator with a new trilogy.How's that Yellowstone pressure build up going??
Posted by: steevy at July 28, 2017 02:15 PM (rmVvL)
With any luck, it'll mean he's shelving the Dances With Giant Smurfs sequel.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 28, 2017 02:16 PM (veoSD)
Otherwise he'd be a "useless eater".
Posted by: Blanco Basura at July 28, 2017 02:17 PM (IZPn8)
Rely on The Guardian to spin it all wrong. Almost like they've got an agenda
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 28, 2017 02:17 PM (MINbv)
Posted by: John Paul II at July 28, 2017 02:17 PM (0jtPF)
Long time ago? Time is relative. If you believe, then time is like sand and our time on earth is like a grain of sand in the Sahara. You should treat it as such meaning it should not be all to end all.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 28, 2017 02:17 PM (KtcMg)
Posted by: dagny at July 28, 2017 02:12 PM (wZuWv)
Federalism cuts both ways. Lining up at the federal trough while proclaiming state sovereignty is an untenable position.
Posted by: troyriser at July 28, 2017 02:18 PM (Fw5cQ)
Posted by: Insomniac - Not Disappointed, Just Angry
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Oh, He gives a fuck.
Children are proof of that.
Posted by: SMFH
He's waiting for us to step up and do what we know in our hearts we should.
On that day, He steps in. Until that day, we're on our own.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at July 28, 2017 02:18 PM (AM1GF)
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Eh, I like those guys, and their fancy, massaged, beer-drinking cows.
Japan is saying that this is an automatic increase that kicks in when beef imports increase by more than a certain amount year-on-year. And the tariff before that automatic increase was 38.5%, so it's not really as drastic as it sounds.
I guess the big issue is that Australia (the other main exporter in that market) gets the tariff reduced to 27% as part of the TPP, which we've left.
But then presumably we'll be making a separate deal with Japan soon.
So... I'm guessing this is an Expensive Wagyu Nothingburger
Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at July 28, 2017 02:18 PM (OVUYQ)
somehow i created a variable called "Anal_targ" in an unfinished line of code.
whatever was i thinking?
That it's been a while since you visited xHamster?
Posted by: Blanco Basura at July 28, 2017 02:18 PM (IZPn8)
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at July 28, 2017 02:12 PM (Nwg0u)
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There's a batsh*t-crazy (D) who did something honorable 50 years ago, too, and I feel exactly the same way about his service and modern opinions/votes/decisions that I do about McCain's.
Posted by: Matt "Taterhead" Damon, Nutritionologe-, Nutritiousologi-, Nutriento-, Super Good at Eating Taters at July 28, 2017 02:18 PM (JTMqu)
Posted by: John Paul II
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Billboard with JP II's face on it captioned
MISS ME YET?
Posted by: simplemind at July 28, 2017 02:18 PM (ejRya)
They greatly expanded the program until they got too much push back from German Christians and then it went more under the radar, but they never really stopped.
And then eventually they moved on to Jews and other political undesirables. The medical establishment, unlike the religious one, never really objected much.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 28, 2017 02:19 PM (aZq03)
It starts with a worker relieved to his father's high weight upon death because of the death/recycling credit he'd get, then shocked to discover the cost and taxes and that he'd have to work without sleep to pay for it.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 28, 2017 01:59 PM (wB8Tg) "
Praise the Company !
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/7 at July 28, 2017 02:19 PM (Mcvvl)
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*except for the time your wife spends deciding what outfit to wear
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at July 28, 2017 02:19 PM (oGRue)
whatever was i thinking?
You were thinking maybe it's time for a hunting trip?
Posted by: The Bear at July 28, 2017 02:19 PM (gIRsn)
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I view this as a personal tax on OBAMA.
Posted by: simplemind at July 28, 2017 02:20 PM (ejRya)
whatever was i thinking?
Posted by: buzzsaw90
Whatever it was, I'm sure Penthouse would publish it.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at July 28, 2017 02:20 PM (AM1GF)
To all of the folks that fought his parents I am reminded of Jesus' promise to those that lead others astray: better they tie a boulder around their necks and drown themselves.
I am also reminded about His statement of what you do to the least of My bretheren you do to Me.
Posted by: The Man from Athens at July 28, 2017 02:20 PM (8Ls/+)
Fuck England, fuck the NHS and fuck McCain and everyone like him that wants the same thing for us and our children.
Posted by: Insomniac - Not Disappointed, Just Angry at July 28, 2017 01:22 PM (0mRoj)
Could not have said it better. Fuck em all.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at July 28, 2017 02:21 PM (Oq/TM)
Posted by: Every modern government at July 28, 2017 02:21 PM (rznWS)
Otherwise he'd be a "useless eater".
Posted by: Blanco Basura at July 28, 2017 02:17 PM (IZPn
I can't say what I would like to say in response to that. Ace and the Cobs would frown.
God bless precious little Charlie, and may He comfort those poor parents.
Posted by: moki at July 28, 2017 02:21 PM (V+V48)
As a mother who stood next to her ex-husband and daughter watching our 21 year old son fighting for his life in a coma with multiple severe body injuries from a hiking fall of 60' in February, we made the excruciating decision to let him go. He had massive brain injury which the neurosurgeons said more like than not he would end up in a vegetative state. He had a broken neck, back, pelvis, legs, feet, on top of having 3 cardiac arrests while in Life Flight to the trauma center.
Even in a coma, he grabbed my hand and squeezed as hard as he could. He knew. We were never pressured to end his life. We just knew that our beautiful and loving son would not want to live this way even if he could have survived the night. After our decision, they unhooked the vent and other equipment, gave him comfort care which is morphine and something else and we held him to the end.
We never had to face a hospital board, judges, administrators or others. His nurses, doctors and surgeons fought so hard for him and would have continued to do so had we asked them too.
God bless you little Charlie and your very brave parents.
Posted by: Cheri at July 28, 2017 02:21 PM (oiNtH)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), at July 28, 2017 02:21 PM (Ckg4U)
The best part of the story is that the second "Asian" guy raped her _after she flagged him down to beg for help_ after she'd been separately raped by the first "Asian" guy.
(For those unfamiliar with the discreet circumlocutions employed by media in the UK in such matters, "Asian" means "Pakistani Muslim" just about all the time.)
Posted by: torquewrench at July 28, 2017 02:21 PM (ujwCG)
Posted by: SMFH at July 28, 2017 02:21 PM (s5Kql)
that debate. I just want it to be out in the open, and not a sub rosa de
facto practice hidden from public view.
Posted by: zombie at July 28, 2017 01:59 PM (DQ4Fv)
So long as euthanasia is not the purpose of the drugs being given, most people are not going to give a rat's ass that it is an effect sometimes. It is inhumanly cruel to leave someone writhing in pain when you have the means to relieve that pain.
Posted by: redbanzai at July 28, 2017 02:21 PM (rAIG/)
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Benedict Arnold was, unlike McCain*, a real war hero. He won one of the most important early revolutionary war battles for the US. Before he stabbed America in the back of course. How do we talk about him today?
*That isn't to suggest McCain acted dishonorably - just that getting captured and surviving isn't heroic.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 28, 2017 02:21 PM (aZq03)
somehow i created a variable called "Anal_targ" in an unfinished line of code.
whatever was i thinking?
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at July 28, 2017 02:15 PM (oGRue)
There was this beautiful moment in the history of software development when variables could be oh-so-nice-and-long. I had to write a payroll program and I named my tax variables in the most profane method possible.
Customer never saw the source, never knew. But it made it exceptionally easy to debug when you're looking at a variable named 'Fvcking_Fica' for example.
Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at July 28, 2017 02:21 PM (EgwCt)
Posted by: Captain Whitebread at July 28, 2017 02:22 PM (rJUlF)
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I'm not going to wish death on anyone. I'm also not going to tell anyone else here what to say or do but I will suggest two things: 1) rolling in hate will Not improve your own situation; and 2) don't get mad, get even.
Posted by: simplemind at July 28, 2017 02:12 PM (pqgrk)
Sadly, we're getting to a point where the only way for OUR situation to improve is for THEIR situation to DRAMATICALLY and IMMEDIATELY deteriorate.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 28, 2017 02:22 PM (9TK8E)
Posted by: IC at July 28, 2017 02:22 PM (a0IVu)
But they can never admit it openly, to the patient's family, or to a medical board.
Posted by: zombie at July 28, 2017 02:16 PM (DQ4Fv)
One thing I have learned is that it is very important for one's own personal health and sanity to be transparent about intents. If you have an intent you can't publicly admit, you probably should either be spending all your time trying to change things so that you can admit your intent, or you should not be doing it.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at July 28, 2017 02:22 PM (CPk08)
Billboard with JP II's face on it captioned
MISS ME YET?
Posted by: simplemind at July 28, 2017 02:18 PM (ejRya)
The Poles sure as heck do. I'm not even Catholic and I miss him. He was a special man.
Posted by: moki at July 28, 2017 02:23 PM (V+V48)
Posted by: IC at July 28, 2017 02:23 PM (a0IVu)
Posted by: The Man from Athens at July 28, 2017 02:23 PM (8Ls/+)
"You know when you are nice to these guys you put in the car? When you put your hand on their head when they get into their car, so they don't bump their head, just after they murdered someone? You don't have to use you hand. I'm fine with that."
The cops laughed and clapped for a while.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at July 28, 2017 02:24 PM (8iiMU)
Posted by: Aleksander Solzhenitsyn at July 28, 2017 02:24 PM (0jtPF)
Posted by: CN at July 28, 2017 02:25 PM (W4xXw)
God bless you little Charlie and your very brave parents.
Posted by: Cheri at July 28, 2017 02:21 PM (oiNtH)
And God bless you, Cheri, and your family. Charlie and your son are together with the Lord now.
Posted by: MWR, Public Intellectual, aka Beth at July 28, 2017 02:25 PM (4df7R)
Posted by: Little Charlie at July 28, 2017 02:25 PM (2PuFO)
Yes. What's particularly sinister is that they'll *grant* you the privilege of wage-slaving to support the state and using whatever pittance is left over to support your child on a thin household budget. The moment, though, that your utility as a tax donor and child-raiser is compromised by terminal disease in the family, the acute burden is identified and removed as quickly as possible.
...and then back into the tax-traces, wage slaves.
Posted by: Zod at July 28, 2017 02:25 PM (Bdeb0)
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Back before the progressive era whoever won the election didn't matter too much as Americans generally shared a pro-freedom, pro-Christian outlook.
As the left has moved farther and farther away from that it has created a structure where some votes are matters of life and death - many more people then Seth Rich would have died had Hillary won . This causes the volatility of politics to go way up.
I also don't wish violence on people, but the only way it stops, and it will keep getting worse, is when the left gives up its desire to dominate everyone else...
Posted by: 18-1 at July 28, 2017 02:26 PM (aZq03)
Posted by: Mega at July 28, 2017 02:27 PM (2PuFO)
Posted by: Cheri at July 28, 2017 02:21 PM (oiNtH)
God bless you Cheri. I am very sorry for your loss.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at July 28, 2017 02:27 PM (tbOMB)
Posted by: Cheri at July 28, 2017 02:27 PM (oiNtH)
Posted by: The Deplorable Mr. Trumpkin at July 28, 2017 02:27 PM (wwd4n)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at July 28, 2017 02:28 PM (fA1SL)
...and then back into the tax-traces, wage slaves.
When you shutting of the ebt cards?
Posted by: rickb223 at July 28, 2017 02:28 PM (na0uG)
Targ not like rush. Targ want at least dinner and drinks first.
Targ old-fashioned that way.
Posted by: Targ at July 28, 2017 02:28 PM (ujwCG)
Posted by: Cheri at July 28, 2017 02:28 PM (oiNtH)
North Korea: Returns normal, mischievous college kid in a coma to die soon thereafter.
North Vietnam: Returns egotistical hemorrhoid with an axe to grind to legislate for decades.
Posted by: Zod at July 28, 2017 02:28 PM (Bdeb0)
Why wouldn't ending the suffering of a person also be love?
Now I know Baby Gard was not loved by his death panel attorney in the U.K. His parents did love him and wanted to try to give him a chance. But they or any other parent might have looked at it and made a different decision.
Posted by: blaster at July 28, 2017 02:28 PM (GTgMm)
May the socialists wake in everlasting torment
Posted by: CN at July 28, 2017 02:28 PM (W4xXw)
The main thing is have the right people do it for the right reasons. Government should not be making the choice ... though it probably should also not have to fund expensive/futile end of life operations.
The hospital here offered hospice pretty quickly, including four years before necessary when they (wrongly I think) tried to convince me (for my Mom). Her doctor had also once suggested to me to consider when to "take the opportunity" to let her go. She had lewy body dementia, but was content and no real pains, moments of relative clarity.
The hospitals here now have "hospital doctors" that are assigned, instead of a person's regular doctor coming in and doing rounds. Two young gun doctors (guy from Russia, woman from Africa) tried to convince me she wouldn't make it, let her go ( That seemed a lot like offering "euthanasia") ... a day later she was better and we went home where we could have had hospice, but she recovered fine.
most of the workers at the hospital were more on my side. More home care subsidies would be useful perhaps, but not all have family willing or able to play that role. let the "buyer" beware. No death panels.
Posted by: illiniwek at July 28, 2017 02:30 PM (HQuBO)
Yet there are millions of Americans who are ACHING for this to come here. I promise you that if some out there could sign away every last ounce of political and economic freedom they have just so they never have to pay for a doctor ever again, they would very cheerfully do it.
Posted by: CatchThirtyThr33 at July 28, 2017 02:30 PM (TgBaq)
Posted by: simplemind at July 28, 2017 01:56 PM
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If hospice is all about alleviating pain and discomfort, why is it that the VERY FIRST THING they do is cut off all the life sustaining fluids to the patient. Really, really sucks dying of thirst or starvation.
Posted by: IrishEi at July 28, 2017 02:33 PM (HiDrR)
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Posted by: Matt "Taterhead" Damon, Nutritionologe-, Nutritiousologi-, Nutriento-, Super Good at Eating Taters at July 28, 2017 02:18 PM (JTMqu)
George McGovern was a war hero, a bomber pilot. Is that who you're talking about?
Posted by: troyriser at July 28, 2017 02:42 PM (Fw5cQ)
I'm pretty sure a list of what I'd do to try to save the life of my baby would get me banned around here. And the list of what I'd do to the bureaucrats in this situation would make a Charles Bronson movie look like Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs.
Posted by: DanInMN at July 28, 2017 02:45 PM (h5ffp)
For all of Islam's evils, most of them are not this evil. And second: God certainly won't stand in the way and protect the British from a well, well deserved thrashing that they've brought on themselves.
Posted by: Vanceone at July 28, 2017 02:47 PM (HcgJZ)
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Posted by: Taqyia2Me - Deplorubus Unum at July 28, 2017 02:55 PM (Ftuf+)
Posted by: Taqyia2Me - Deplorubus Unum at July 28, 2017 02:56 PM (Ftuf+)
By comparison, don't the Brits under socialized one-payer have more due process rights than we do under the ACA? I thought the Dems removed any right to judicial or other hearing to challenge the unelected boards diktats.
Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at July 28, 2017 03:03 PM (hKi6n)
its for the children except when it is not.
you can not take "your" (really, our child) child home to die because you can not provide the proper care that WE are denying your right to give to "your" child (ours, bitch)
Posted by: arbitrary turn back at July 28, 2017 03:09 PM (8RQER)
The fact they would not let him go home to die should haunt whoever decided this forevermore.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Infidel Queen, is tired of dis at July 28, 2017 03:11 PM (J5mzk)
Posted by: CN at July 28, 2017 03:19 PM (W4xXw)
And Curses to the entire hospital staff and government drones that kept him from going home or seeking alternative treatment in time. May they rot in Hell.
Posted by: Janir at July 28, 2017 03:34 PM (veZXB)
Posted by: J. Robert Oppenheimer at July 28, 2017 03:38 PM (DpOmP)
I would bet good money that if the shoe was on the other foot and they had an "incurable disease", they would then be demanding NHS go all out to save them. They're only on about "accepting death" if it's someone else's. These people are worse than just leeches on society, they're narcissistic, sociopath leeches.
Generation Snowflake (not just Millennials; there are still plenty of Boomers and Xers who are special snowflakes) just needs to be banished to the middle of Nevada, along with the Establishment fucks, and sealed off behind a wall for the betterment of humankind.
Posted by: Saber Alter, rising from the dead at July 28, 2017 03:54 PM (YZ7Go)
Considering the leftists are showing their true colors about not actually caring about The Children(TM) and conservatives have just proved that they actually DO, this bon mot has not aged well.
Posted by: Saber Alter, rising from the dead at July 28, 2017 03:56 PM (YZ7Go)
They fought the good fight and will be blessed for it.
What has England become?
Posted by: Gem at July 28, 2017 04:39 PM (VIWDj)
Posted by: Gem at July 28, 2017 04:45 PM (VIWDj)
Yes, he was. I miss him, and Cardinal George, too.
Posted by: Gem at July 28, 2017 04:48 PM (VIWDj)
Posted by: JC_Veritas at July 28, 2017 06:27 PM (NaOz9)
The essay is here, for those interested
https://pjmedia.com/zombie/2011/2/21/death-channels/:
Posted by: zombie at July 28, 2017 01:33 PM (DQ4Fv)
My father died last year from cancer (likely caused from exposure to agent orange during Vietnam). We found out he had cancer on a Wednesday. The next Friday, he was admitted to the hospital where they discovered exactly how bad his cancer was.
There was no chance of surviving it. It was a very large, solid, and fast cancer. There was only a painful death awaiting him even with treatment. He, Mom, and I chose to stop treatment and he went to a hospice on Saturday morning where he was given pain killers.
We were informed that the morphine would stop the pain, but it would also speed up his death. He agreed to it; we agreed with him; and none of us wanted him to linger. He died on Sunday. We are very thankful that his death was fast enough that he didn't suffer.
I think there is a place for hospices. In my dad's position, it was a Godsend.
But every decision was ours. The government had no place in the discusions. The government had no say in the decisions.
I can't imagine being forced into that same position without a say in my loved one's care. But that's what Socialized single-payer medicine is: your loved one's life is nothing but an expense to be managed and minimized by middle managers with spreadsheets.
Posted by: Prudie, sometimes a G. Gnome at July 28, 2017 07:29 PM (JIzji)
Good physicians administered enough pain medication to their terminally ill patients to take away their pain. So what if it killed them a day earlier than their metastatic lung cancer?
It's not a taboo subject except in front of administrators and government hacks."
It is government interference that has changed that dynamic."
I agree! As a Catholic, whose church has clear rules about what is and isn't euthanasia, I have been told that all pain relief is legitimate as long as it is necessary for such relief. If it shortens life as a result, but is not intended for that purpose, it is morally good.
Unless you personally have watched a loved one wailing in the last stages of cancer or suffocating from being unable to breathe well, you probably cannot understand the necessary tradeoff of providing medicine to put the person into a stage of semi-oblivion so that they die peacefully. I pray that I am granted that mercy when my time comes. Being allowed to be in agony for an extra day or week is not a kindness.
Posted by: Margaret at July 29, 2017 03:24 PM (F2qnR)
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