Supreme Court Offers Muddled Response to Hawaiian Judge's Judicial-Fiat Rewriting of the Travel Ban

The Hawaiian judge made a couple of rulings. First, he found that the government's definition of a "bona fide relationship" to a US citizen was too restrictive -- limited to parents, children, siblings and spouses -- and opened it up to... practically everyone.

Watson subsequently expanded the definition of "bona fide relationship" to include grandparents, grandchildren, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, cousins, or siblings-in-law.

Then he claimed that the US could not limit immigrants who had a "formal assurance" from a refugee assistance group. Which seems to me to be something he just sorta made up on the spot.

The Supreme Court blocked that second ruling, but seems to have made no judgment on the first -- for now. The case will continue to be litigated at the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, which has well-earned its nickname of the "Ninth Circus." After that, the Supreme Court will have the chance to review their ruling as well.

The Supreme Court did decline a DOJ request for a clarification of the Supreme Court order putting most of the travel ban into place -- about what they meant by a "bona fide relationship." What does that mean, exactly?

A lot of outlets are reporting this as some sort of victory for the left. I don't think so. I think the Supreme Court routinely declines to decide until the correct procedural moment for deciding, which in this case would be after the Ninth Circuit's review.

However, they could have struck the Hawaiian judge's order on this point down, but declined to do so.

But perhaps that's because they thought the issue was currently moot -- as the State Department, of course, has rewritten its rules of who is permitted in under the "bona fide relationship" exemption to include all the distant relations the Hawaiian judge ordered.

Thus, at this moment, there really isn't a bona fide dispute over the question, which is something essential for a Supreme Court ruling, particularly on an emergency basis (as such injunctions are).

All in all, basically a rap against the Hawaiian judge, with additional questions put off until the Ninth Circuit writes up its completely error-ridden opinion.

Posted by: Ace at 06:06 PM

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Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2017 06:09 PM (9g/6M)

2 And for that I'll get the corgis

Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2017 06:09 PM (9g/6M)

3 we should be getting better rulings from the court than this. I have suspicion Roberts is selling us out again.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 19, 2017 06:10 PM (mpXpK)

4 No YOU'RE out of order!

Posted by: xnycpeasant at July 19, 2017 06:11 PM (XQcoc)

5 Hawaii is pretty but it's chock full of stupid.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 06:11 PM (3OIiX)

6 Just how many governments do we have, currently.
Everyone is a legislator now.

Posted by: kraken at July 19, 2017 06:12 PM (zSVEm)

7 Hawaiian bread- hmmmmmm yummy.
Hawaiian judges- high on meth.

Posted by: Darth Randall at July 19, 2017 06:12 PM (6n332)

8 I don't get how in the hell an inferior court can possibly interpret and rule on a Supreme Court ruling. Seriously, what the hell?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 06:12 PM (39g3+)

9 What hard core Muzzy jihadis doesn't have a cousin or two 3 times removed in the country?

Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2017 06:13 PM (9g/6M)

10 Take the path laid out by our 44th chief executive.

Ignore him.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 06:13 PM (MINbv)

11 Justice...anytime you here this word bantered about you should fucking run!

Posted by: Tentotwo at July 19, 2017 06:14 PM (yhf6w)

12 Overruling that the "US could not limit immigrants who had a "formal assurance" from a refugee assistance group" was important.

Many boatloads of refugees would have slipped in.

All of them certain to wind up in HI.

Posted by: Ignoramus at July 19, 2017 06:14 PM (+7/1f)

13 This is like a AA baseball team telling the Yankees that moving Alex Rodriguez to third was all wrong. Really? Who the hell cares what you think?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 06:14 PM (39g3+)

14 The fact that we have to sit around and wait for our "9 dictators who were never elected" to decide this country's fate every few months just illustrates our Founder's grand experiment eventually failed.

The judiciary branch of our government was fatally flawed from the very beginning.

Posted by: Maritime at July 19, 2017 06:14 PM (mYJIs)

15 Why not just seize all of the Hawaiian judges assets ? Seems like that's what DOJ considers important.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez,they are gaslighting us 24/7 at July 19, 2017 06:14 PM (Mcvvl)

16 RBG still breathing?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 19, 2017 06:14 PM (O5U4s)

17 I was just in Maui back in May and despite the last sugar factory being shut down, you still had idiots wanting to succeed or to gain 'sovereignty' and not be subject to US laws.

The place is broke, there are no jobs and there's a gap between rich and poor that would make a Romanov blush (or not).

It's basically a 3rd world country with good weather and scenery.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 06:15 PM (3OIiX)

18 Kwannahaula which means...Screw you nasty homophobic, xenophobic, mysogynistic right winger.

Posted by: Mike G. at July 19, 2017 06:15 PM (R5lpX)

19 A good example of the obscure bureaucratic process.

The judge clearly overstepped his boundaries. Allowing a non-governmental refugee agency to (in effect) issue visas?

And if the judge extended the list of permissible relatives, that is also outside his jurisdiction.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 06:15 PM (m9X4Y)

20 The Hawaiian judge should stick to moco loco, spam and that dead fat guy that sang "Over the Rainbow".

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 19, 2017 06:15 PM (5VlCp)

21 What hard core Muzzy jihadis doesn't have a cousin or two 3 times removed in the country?/i]

"If not we can make them up. Muhammad, my third cousin once removed on my mother's side, yes, we are related."
-Muhammad Muhummed al'Muhamud

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 06:15 PM (39g3+)

22 Leftists have ruined the courts with packing in Leftists without regard to the Constitution.

Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2017 06:15 PM (9g/6M)

23 "I don't get how in the hell an inferior court can possibly interpret and rule on a Supreme Court ruling. Seriously, what the hell?"

SCOTUS didn't spell out "bona fide relationship" to a US citizen. Normally courts defer to agency interpretations if they're not crazy, but not here.

Posted by: Ignoramus at July 19, 2017 06:16 PM (+7/1f)

24 I read this post carefully and could not make heads or tails out of it. Then again...vodka!

Posted by: Caliban at July 19, 2017 06:16 PM (QE8X6)

25 Leftists have ruined the courts with packing in Leftists without regard to the Constitution.
Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2017 06:15 PM (9g/6M)

All according to plan

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 06:16 PM (3OIiX)

26 I think it's pretty clear what a "bonified relation" is. Except, does that include strap-ons? I guess that one is for the courts.

Posted by: bergerbilder at July 19, 2017 06:16 PM (lIZQs)

27 Ever notice there's never really a crazy "right wing" judge that ever pulls this kind of shit?

It's always the Left and our side is always so determined to bend over backwards to accomodate them to show we are being "fair".

Posted by: Maritime at July 19, 2017 06:17 PM (mYJIs)

28 I am not too stressed about Hawaii seceding... let 'em... and keep Puerto Rico from joining... California can bugger off too. Harumph.

Posted by: kraken at July 19, 2017 06:17 PM (zSVEm)

29 that dead fat guy that sang "Over the Rainbow". "

Arrrgh.

You're a bad, bad person.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 06:17 PM (MINbv)

30 >>>that dead fat guy that sang "Over the Rainbow".

How dare you body sha.....
Oh right, that guy was obscenely obese.

Posted by: wooga at July 19, 2017 06:17 PM (3I7wr)

31 Ever notice there's never really a crazy "right wing" judge that ever pulls this kind of shit?

If there ever was it had to be like 60 years ago, some judge ruling you have to pray to adult Jesus instead of Baby Jesus or some nonsense.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 06:18 PM (39g3+)

32 Fuck everyone is everyone's cousin in the Middle East. It's worse than West Virginia.

Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 06:18 PM (IDPbH)

33 Hawaii, do you want an Archer meme? Because this is how you get Archer memes!

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at July 19, 2017 06:19 PM (fA1SL)

34 The Supreme Court once again disses people of color. When they heard "Hawaiian judge" they probably thought of their maids.

Posted by: Elizabeth Warren at July 19, 2017 06:20 PM (QE8X6)

35 Archer and strap-on refs...I'm sticking around for this thread...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 06:20 PM (3OIiX)

36 that dead fat guy that sang "Over the Rainbow".

"What about me man? Tiny Bubbles? Nobody ever remembers Tiny Bubbles."
-Don Ho

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 06:20 PM (39g3+)

37 what can I say except, You're Welcome?

Posted by: Maui at July 19, 2017 06:20 PM (fCPIQ)

38 We don't have laws. We have the whims of people in black.

Posted by: WOPR (Colonial Marines can't use harsh language) at July 19, 2017 06:21 PM (J70i0)

39 It is SO time to create a 12th Circut Court of Appeals, with the 9th Restricted to CA and HI if we can get away with that.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 19, 2017 06:21 PM (ujg0T)

40
See the camera drone segment on Fox right now?

That's what I have...and hardly ever fly it.

Posted by: Soothsayer --Digitally Remastered at July 19, 2017 06:21 PM (qsz6h)

41 I mean, if some right wing judge just immediately declared ObamaCare null and void, do you really think Obama's agencies would sit around and wait for the Supreme Court to rule on that and allow it to be on some sort of hiatus?

Or that the Supreme Court would allow that decision to stand until they got around to it? Or would they immediately slap the judge down?

Posted by: Maritime at July 19, 2017 06:22 PM (mYJIs)

42 What's ironic is Hawaii natives hate non Hawaiians.

Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 06:22 PM (IDPbH)

43 wait. aren't all muslims sistercousinunclegrannies?

Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at July 19, 2017 06:22 PM (nFwvY)

44 It's worse than West Virginia."

Them would be fight'n words...but they're probably true.

Know why there's no CSI West Virginia?

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 06:22 PM (MINbv)

45 Not the first to refer them as Supreme Beings.

Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2017 06:22 PM (9g/6M)

46 32 Fuck everyone is everyone's cousin in the Middle East. It's worse than West Virginia.

If your family tree looks like a telepone pole...

Posted by: Jeff Foxworthy at July 19, 2017 06:23 PM (lIZQs)

47 I know all about "travel bans." America does not respect diversity!

Posted by: Roman Polanski at July 19, 2017 06:23 PM (QE8X6)

48 44. I know! I know!

Lack of dentition and excessively high rates of consanguinity?

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at July 19, 2017 06:23 PM (fA1SL)

49 Shorter ace: judicial coup status ..... intact.

Probably me, but where in the pertinent legislation does it talk about the president's power to restrict entry to the country being subject to exemptions and bona fide connected persons and the price of tea in China?

The only, slim hope is that the judiciary (reasonably) takes this whole saga as confirmation there are now absolutely no limits, no usurpation or lawless act too audacious or injurious, that they can't give it as shot. To the point that Trump, who at that point would appear to have been put in the job for precisely this purpose, finally says "no" and repudiates the judiciary's ravaging of the constitution.

I said slim. We'll get the first thing, or a lot of it, but probably even Trump won't be able to bestir himself to restore the constitution and rule of law. There's nobody with any profile or influence who does other than to work within the insane, lawless make-believe world of the executive and legislature subordinate to the courts.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 19, 2017 06:23 PM (QDnY+)

50 The only Court Constitutionally mandated, is the Supreme Court... it is the ONLY part of that branch that is Co Equal to the President.

When the President asks them a F'n Question... THEY should answer.

Posted by: Don Q. at July 19, 2017 06:24 PM (NgKpN)

51 It is SO time to create a 12th Circut Court of Appeals, with the 9th Restricted to CA and HI if we can get away with that.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 19, 2017 06:21 PM (ujg0T)

That wouldn't stop one judge from deciding law for the entire country.

I was about to say it's up to Congress to put an end to this nonsense but it's hopeless on that front.

Posted by: WOPR (Colonial Marines can't use harsh language) at July 19, 2017 06:24 PM (J70i0)

52 46 32 Fuck everyone is everyone's cousin in the Middle East. It's worse than West Virginia.

If your family tree looks like a telepone pole...
Posted by: Jeff Foxworthy at July 19, 2017 06:23 PM (lIZQs)

The Amish... and European Royalty...

Posted by: kraken at July 19, 2017 06:24 PM (zSVEm)

53
42 What's ironic is Hawaii natives hate non Hawaiians.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 06:22 PM (IDPbH)

Say what, haole?

Posted by: CaliGirl at July 19, 2017 06:24 PM (Ri/rl)

54 Ever notice there's never really a crazy "right wing" judge that ever pulls this kind of shit?

It's always the Left and our side is always so determined to bend over backwards to accomodate them to show we are being "fair".
Posted by: Maritime at July 19, 2017 06:17 PM (mYJIs)
Yeah, where were the right-wing lower court judges trying to overrule the decision on the definition of marriage? Or the Obamacare "it's a tax" ruling?

Posted by: Aunt Luna at July 19, 2017 06:24 PM (Zd2ZF)

55 I'm curious....just how do they prove the relationship?

Posted by: Tami, Public Ineffectual at July 19, 2017 06:25 PM (Enq6K)

56 Utter bullshit. Congress has, by statute, codified broad discretion by the POTUS in immigration matters. This pissant judge can fuck right off.

Posted by: Insomniac, Pimp Hand of the Patriarchy at July 19, 2017 06:25 PM (0mRoj)

57 What's ironic is Hawaii natives hate non Hawaiians.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 06:22 PM (IDPbH)

Yup, but there's even a hirearchy of hate

At the bottom is white people
Then Filipinos
Then above them are Japanese
Then Hawaiians of mixed blood (which is 99% of them) sort themselves by 'purity'

They are very very friendly people on the whole. It's a very chill place with a very 'casual' work ethic.

But scratch them and the evil is there.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 06:25 PM (3OIiX)

58 "Florida Man" soon to be overtaken by "Hawaiian Judge".

Posted by: TexasDan at July 19, 2017 06:26 PM (yL25O)

59 55 I'm curious....just how do they prove the relationship?
Posted by: Tami, Public Ineffectual

the extra toe

Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at July 19, 2017 06:26 PM (nFwvY)

60 At what point does a judge's rulings get so divorced from the law that it becomes impeachable?

Posted by: Some Guy at July 19, 2017 06:26 PM (0d7v8)

61 53. '.....and the haole said 'your people piss in people's shoes, my people piss in beer.'

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at July 19, 2017 06:26 PM (fA1SL)

62 51 It is SO time to create a 12th Circut Court of Appeals, with the 9th Restricted to CA and HI if we can get away with that.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 19, 2017 06:21 PM (ujg0T)

That wouldn't stop one judge from deciding law for the entire country.

I was about to say it's up to Congress to put an end to this nonsense but it's hopeless on that front.
Posted by: WOPR (Colonial Marines can't use harsh language) at July 19, 2017 06:24 PM (J70i0)

It wouldn't stop it all together, but it *would* reduce the impact.

Like the Federal Reserve Districts, Circut Court Districts are from a time when the population was mainly concentrated in the Northeast USA. The 11th Circut forthe Southeast USA was long overdue, for that matter.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 19, 2017 06:26 PM (ujg0T)

63 CaliGirl knows what I'm talking about

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 06:26 PM (3OIiX)

64 I'll take the Supreme Pizza.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 19, 2017 06:26 PM (IqV8l)

65 17 I was just in Maui back in May and despite the last sugar factory being shut down, you still had idiots wanting to succeed or to gain 'sovereignty' and not be subject to US laws.

The place is broke, there are no jobs and there's a gap between rich and poor that would make a Romanov blush (or not).

It's basically a 3rd world country with good weather and scenery.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 06:15 PM (3OIiX)

I took my Nephew and his roommate from Hawaii to a Supermarket near me and it was like I took a Soviet refugee to a grocery store, he flipped out on the price of Milk, Butter, Beef etc it was amazing to see. I was helping them move into there Dorm room and they needed some food. It was eye opening.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at July 19, 2017 06:26 PM (dKiJG)

66 61 53. '.....and the haole said 'your people piss in people's shoes, my people piss in beer.'
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at July 19, 2017 06:26 PM (fA1SL)

Wow. What an asshaole.

Posted by: Insomniac, Pimp Hand of the Patriarchy at July 19, 2017 06:26 PM (0mRoj)

67 the extra toe

Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at July 19, 2017 06:26 PM (nFwvY)

Oh, here we go with the feet shit again.

Posted by: Tami, Public Ineffectual at July 19, 2017 06:26 PM (Enq6K)

68 I just can see this being an eternal battle from now on, with lower courts continually second guessing and "redefining" rulings by the Supreme Court. They can't pack it with lunatic lefties for their ideal rulings so they'll just nickle and dime everything to death with the freakie deakies Obama and Clinton loaded them up with in lower courts. Unreal.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 06:27 PM (39g3+)

69 I did a quick and sloppy search on genetics and thought the rule was that close inbreeding would weed out defectives. That close inbreeding would re-enforce good genes. And bad ones. Ok, I guess you have to cull the defectives. Is that the problem?

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 06:27 PM (m9X4Y)

70 Don Ho.

Living the dream. Ex-USAF fighter pilot. 10 kids with the invaluable assistance of three women. One of them was his wife.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 19, 2017 06:27 PM (hyuyC)

71 Yeah, where were the right-wing lower court judges trying to overrule the decision on the definition of marriage? Or the Obamacare "it's a tax" ruling?
Posted by: Aunt Luna
______

If we ever had a conservative activist court, the Left would be freaking out.

Imagine things like tax policy and benefits being judged on "equal protection"

Posted by: Maritime at July 19, 2017 06:27 PM (mYJIs)

72
At what point does a judge's rulings get so divorced from the law that it becomes impeachable?
Posted by: Some Guy at July 19, 2017 06:26 PM (0d7v

Never in a republican controled congress

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 19, 2017 06:27 PM (lKyWE)

73 Lack of dentition and excessively high rates of consanguinity"

Well aren't you just a barrel of laughs at parties. ..

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 06:27 PM (MINbv)

74 I'm curious....just how do they prove the relationship?
Posted by: Tami, Public Ineffectual at July 19, 2017 06:25 PM (Enq6K)

Great question!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 19, 2017 06:27 PM (5VlCp)

75 THEY should answer.
Posted by: Don Q. at July 19, 2017 06:24 PM (NgKpN)

Yep, any of the other branches should be able to ask for a ruling and get a response within a week.

Posted by: WOPR (Colonial Marines can't use harsh language) at July 19, 2017 06:28 PM (J70i0)

76 Don Ho.

Living the dream. Ex-USAF fighter pilot. 10 kids with the invaluable assistance of three women. One of them was his wife.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 19, 2017 06:27 PM (hyuyC)

Don Pimp is more like it

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 06:28 PM (3OIiX)

77 Rhomboid and I don't see eye-to-eye on this.

SCOTUS upheld Trump's EO 9 to 0, or 7 to 2, which is exactly what I expected. In the Fall, SCOTUS will castigate the adverse lower court decisions by 7 to 2 counts.

Now you can say that the courts should never have been involved, and a Taint of judicial overreach will be left, but that's the way the system has worked.

Would we want no checks on a President?

Posted by: Ignoramus at July 19, 2017 06:28 PM (+7/1f)

78 "I'm curious....just how do they prove the relationship?
Posted by: Tami, Public Ineffectual "

The banjo in the carry on is a good clue.

Posted by: Jeff Foxworthy at July 19, 2017 06:28 PM (lIZQs)

79 Hmmm... Actually... if I was President Trump....

I'd create an Executive Order, saying that its the opinion of the President, that ONLY the Supreme Court of the US is actually a Co Equal to his Executive power....

Lower Courts, are not...

Thus, he will listen to the Supremes, but will NOT be told what to do by inferior Courts.

Then go ahead with what he wanted to do until the Supremes tell him otherwise.

An unelected Judge in Hawaii should not have the power to stop the President of the US.

Posted by: Don Q. at July 19, 2017 06:29 PM (NgKpN)

80 It is a rebuke of the Hawaiian judge, because he pulled this "promise" ruling out of his ass, and they struck that down.

I see eternal litigation on this ban, until Trump leaves office, as the judge-legislators hash over what the president's order "should have been".

Posted by: That guy at July 19, 2017 06:29 PM (2mC6G)

81 The Supreme Court has got to stomp on this, seriously. They need to bring the hammer down on the lower courts.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 06:29 PM (39g3+)

82 63 CaliGirl knows what I'm talking about
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 06:26 PM (3OIiX)

Yes I do. A lot of Polynesian people come to this area for college.

Posted by: CaliGirl at July 19, 2017 06:29 PM (Ri/rl)

83 What God forsaken Leftist judge is going to ask "Prove that relationship "?

Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2017 06:29 PM (9g/6M)

84 SOS Tillerson agrees with the HI judge.

Posted by: Under Fire at July 19, 2017 06:29 PM (mcI77)

85
How about a nice Hawaiian punch?

https://youtu.be/86IpU3g-S8Q

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 19, 2017 06:30 PM (IqV8l)

86 Would we want no checks on a President?
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 19, 2017 06:28 PM (+7/1f)

My problem is that the checks appear arbitrary.

Posted by: kraken at July 19, 2017 06:30 PM (zSVEm)

87 Thus, he will listen to the Supremes, but will NOT be told what to do by inferior Courts.

That really should be his response. "I'm happy that this judge has taken the time to give his opinion on the case, but it is irrelevant. The Supreme Court of the United States has made its ruling and I will follow that."

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 06:30 PM (39g3+)

88 I took my Nephew and his roommate from Hawaii to a Supermarket near me and it was like I took a Soviet refugee to a grocery store, he flipped out on the price of Milk, Butter, Beef etc it was amazing to see. I was helping them move into there Dorm room and they needed some food. It was eye opening.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio
__________

When I went to Maui, supposedly the locals just all go to the one Costco there for everything.

Its like the busiest Costco on the face of the Earth because its the only place where things are somewhat reasonable.

It really is like a 3rd world country, I think everyone in the state just lives there by passing down property through inheritance. The rest are just super wealthy and no longer work.

Posted by: Maritime at July 19, 2017 06:30 PM (mYJIs)

89 if you think you invented a clock....

you might be related to a muslim

Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at July 19, 2017 06:30 PM (nFwvY)

90 "I did a quick and sloppy search on genetics and thought the rule was that close inbreeding would weed out defectives."

You haven't looked at us!

Posted by: Game of Throne Targaryens at July 19, 2017 06:30 PM (+7/1f)

91 So anybody that has a damn cousin that wants to come to the US , we HAVE to take them in?

For what possible purpose?

I thought Trump might be more Andrew Jacksony but so far not happening.

Posted by: MAGA at July 19, 2017 06:30 PM (zYKzR)

92 I remember that Hawiian Punch commercial!

And the C&H Pure Cane sugar song...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 06:31 PM (3OIiX)

93
Question:

How did Bach's "Toccata & Fugue" become the theme to vampire flicks?

I'll bet zombie knows....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho9rZjlsyYY

Posted by: Soothsayer --Digitally Remastered at July 19, 2017 06:31 PM (qsz6h)

94 12 Overruling that the "US could not limit immigrants who had a "formal assurance" from a refugee assistance group" was important.

Many boatloads of refugees would have slipped in.

All of them certain to wind up in HI.
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 19, 2017 06:14 PM (+7/1f)

There's an idea. Round up all the refugees and resettle them in Hawaii.

Posted by: rickl at July 19, 2017 06:32 PM (sdi6R)

95 @Maritime

You're so, so right.

I needed a mouse pad, the most mundane modern thing imagineable...our gas stations sell them here. But I had to go to the one Target on the island to buy one.

And yes, thank God for Costco.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 06:32 PM (3OIiX)

96 Would we want no checks on a President?
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 19, 2017 06:28 PM (+7/1f)

Now that is an interesting damn question.

I've always been under the simple, and apparently quite fucking mistaken, notion that Congress makes Law, Presidents execute Law, and Judges call balls and strikes.

What ... exactly ... has Congress said regarding Immigration Law on this ? My assumption has always been that the Prez has a free hand in this. But I'll be glad to be smartened up on this - because I sure as hell don't know.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 19, 2017 06:33 PM (fiGNd)

97 81 The Supreme Court has got to stomp on this, seriously. They need to bring the hammer down on the lower courts.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 06:29 PM (39g3+)

Problem is that they just had the opportunity... and did not...

Posted by: Don Q. at July 19, 2017 06:33 PM (NgKpN)

98 What's ironic is Hawaii natives hate non Hawaiians.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 06:22 PM (IDPbH)

What's ironic about it? If you had an island kingdom and had it absorbed by a completely different people, would you love them?

Posted by: WOPR (Colonial Marines can't use harsh language) at July 19, 2017 06:33 PM (J70i0)

99 And the C&H Pure Cane sugar song...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 06:31 PM (3OIiX)

Whose HQ was and is actually in Crockett, California, northeast of San Francisco.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 19, 2017 06:33 PM (ujg0T)

100 Every time read about some Marxist/Leftist/SJW dictating to the rest of us about life and how to live, I do it in Stan Marsh's sister's voice.

For some reason, this is what I think of.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at July 19, 2017 06:33 PM (2qHjF)

101 "So anybody that has a damn cousin that wants to come to the US , we HAVE to take them in?"

This is about travel visas, IIRC.

The refugee part would have let people in permanently.

Posted by: Game of Throne Targaryens at July 19, 2017 06:33 PM (+7/1f)

102 Its like the busiest Costco on the face of the Earth because its the only place where things are somewhat reasonable.

It really is like a 3rd world country, I think everyone in the state just lives there by passing down property through inheritance. The rest are just super wealthy and no longer work.
Posted by: Maritime at July 19, 2017 06:30 PM (mYJIs)

I've been to that Costco. The locals have a resident ID card and they pay lower prices than the tourists.

Posted by: CaliGirl at July 19, 2017 06:33 PM (Ri/rl)

103
Yup, but there's even a hirearchy of hate

At the bottom is white people
Then Filipinos
Then above them are Japanese
Then Hawaiians of mixed blood (which is 99% of them) sort themselves by 'purity'

They are very very friendly people on the whole. It's a very chill place with a very 'casual' work ethic.

But scratch them and the evil is there.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 06:25 PM (3OIiX)

I follow a I think it was a coblogger from here and he tweeted out his experience with bullying at his High School in Hawaii. It was heartbreaking stuff. It wasn't until he went to a mostly white or near a Military base that it stopped.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at July 19, 2017 06:33 PM (dKiJG)

104

Republicans are good for:

1. Kicking The Can
2. Going Along With Democrats
3. Nothing Else

Posted by: Soothsayer --Digitally Remastered at July 19, 2017 06:33 PM (qsz6h)

105 81 The Supreme Court has got to stomp on this, seriously. They need to bring the hammer down on the lower courts.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 06:29 PM (39g3+)

------

I'm going to be an Eeyore here and say it's not going to happen.

The justice system is more 'clubby' than even Congress

Posted by: MAGA at July 19, 2017 06:34 PM (zYKzR)

106 Ace: "However, they could have struck the Hawaiian judge's order on this point down, but declined to do so."

They should have struck him down for being a subversive prick. I guess the closest to karma we might get is that he loses some "bona fide relationships" in an Islamic terrorist attack.

I hope Trump and Sessions are hoovering up these "Syrian refugees" and filling up Hawaii to the point of tipping over. Maybe put some of the more burly ones in a new tent city next to the Court and His Honor's home. For the children.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 19, 2017 06:34 PM (H8S+R)

107 @WOPR

I think the irony lies in the Hawiian judge wanting to allow MORE immigrants in when most Hawaiians want everyone out of Hawaii (just leave your money and jobs, plz)

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 06:34 PM (3OIiX)

108 What's ironic about it? If you had an island kingdom and had it absorbed by a completely different people, would you love them?

Posted by: WOPR (Colonial Marines can't use harsh language) at July 19, 2017 06:33 PM (J70i0)

Then cut 'em loose.

Posted by: kraken at July 19, 2017 06:34 PM (zSVEm)

109 Republicans are good for:

1. Kicking The Can

2. Going Along With Democrats

3. Campaigning
4. Making promises they never intend on keeping
5. Getting elected

FIFY

Posted by: The MSM at July 19, 2017 06:34 PM (aT+Bx)

110 I was naive about Hawaii because I've never been and it was a hear no evil see no evil kind of thing. I then watched a couple of seasons of Dog the Bounty Hunter. Hawaii can be a shit hole if you look beyond the tourist sections.

Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 06:35 PM (IDPbH)

111 LOL. MSM sock off.

Posted by: shibumi at July 19, 2017 06:35 PM (aT+Bx)

112 Hawaiian judges? Is that like the Romanian judges in the Olympics? (I give a 6.2 because thats why...)

Posted by: USNtakim at July 19, 2017 06:35 PM (zZWkn)

113 Round #3 begins tomorrow...

Posted by: Axeman at July 19, 2017 06:35 PM (2mC6G)

114 I'm going to be an Eeyore here and say it's not going to happen.

The justice system is more 'clubby' than even Congress
Posted by: MAGA at July 19, 2017 06:34 PM (zYKzR)

Sadly yes. Hence my argument for creating A New Circut, perhaps two if needed.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 19, 2017 06:36 PM (ujg0T)

115 "What ... exactly ... has Congress said regarding Immigration Law on this ? My assumption has always been that the Prez has a free hand in this. But I'll be glad to be smartened up on this - because I sure as hell don't know."

You were right until a few months ago. You'll be right again in a few more months, subject to some new standard SCOTUS invents to keep authority if a future POTUS goes off reservation.

Posted by: Game of Throne Targaryens at July 19, 2017 06:36 PM (+7/1f)

116 What ... exactly ... has Congress said regarding Immigration Law on this ? My assumption has always been that the Prez has a free hand in this. But I'll be glad to be smartened up on this - because I sure as hell don't know.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 19, 2017 06:33 PM (fiGNd)

In general, Congress has the given the president the power to limit immigration by groups he deems a threat to US security. The SC really can only say he isn't following the law and not rule on the Constitutionality of the issue because Congress has full power over immigration.

Posted by: WOPR (Colonial Marines can't use harsh language) at July 19, 2017 06:36 PM (J70i0)

117

6. Freedom Fries
7. Pretending They're against abortion.

Posted by: Soothsayer --Digitally Remastered at July 19, 2017 06:36 PM (qsz6h)

118 108 What's ironic about it? If you had an island kingdom and had it absorbed by a completely different people, would you love them?

Posted by: WOPR (Colonial Marines can't use harsh language) at July 19, 2017 06:33 PM (J70i0)

Really. You know there are two parts to irony right?

Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 06:36 PM (IDPbH)

119 Then cut 'em loose.
Posted by: kraken at July 19, 2017 06:34 PM (zSVEm)
---
Let 'em capsize!!

Posted by: Hank at July 19, 2017 06:37 PM (2mC6G)

120 Insomniac, as I asked above, where in the law is the language on bona fide relations, and exemptions/limitations on the president's powers WRT controlling admissions for national security purposes?

Oh, right, there is none. It's an arrogant, incompetent court usurping both executive AND legislative powers. Brazenly.

Utter, pure lawlessness (literally).

Since the nation or what's left of its other institutions simply sat there like good Soviet citizens and did nothing when Roberts finally took SCOTUS into parody territory, there's no reason to expect any recovery from this judicial coup.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 19, 2017 06:37 PM (QDnY+)

121 Bach's "Toccata & Fugue" become the theme to vampire flicks"

Fantasia.

Plus there's lots of dispute - composer, key, etc.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 06:38 PM (MINbv)

122 Sadly yes. Hence my argument for creating A New Circut, perhaps two if needed.
Posted by: Curmudgeon
__________

I'm sure Murkowski, Collins, and Capito have our back on that.

Democrats were able to get EVERY single Democrat Senator to vote for a monstrosity like Obamacare, our side publicly high 5's each other when they screw over the base

Posted by: Maritime at July 19, 2017 06:38 PM (mYJIs)

123
have we ever done a Best Concertos In D Minor For Sexing thread?

Posted by: Soothsayer --Digitally Remastered at July 19, 2017 06:38 PM (qsz6h)

124 118 108 What's ironic about it? If you had an island kingdom and had it absorbed by a completely different people, would you love them?

Posted by: WOPR (Colonial Marines can't use harsh language) at July 19, 2017 06:33 PM (J70i0)

If you go down that road, you are arguing against the whole USA.

The whole point of American "hyper-nationalism", as I have explained to my Euro friends who call it that, is to keep us from killing each other.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 19, 2017 06:38 PM (ujg0T)

125 I have a friend that lives in Hawaii. She loves it there. She had a job lined up before she ever moved there. Teaching assistant. That was several years ago. I rarely hear from her.

Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at July 19, 2017 06:38 PM (CNHr1)

126 Tomorrow the left starts with the "knows a guy who knows a guy" bona fide relationship.

Posted by: Axeman at July 19, 2017 06:39 PM (2mC6G)

127 When I was in grade school, we had 4'10" nun play the church's incredible pipe organ. She would warm up before mass and recess with a lot of Bach, including Toccata and Fugue. That little nun really shook the rafters. You could surely feel the presence of GOD!

Posted by: bergerbilder at July 19, 2017 06:40 PM (lIZQs)

128

Who else hates Vivaldi's "Four Seasons" now that it's been whored out so much?

Posted by: Soothsayer --Digitally Remastered at July 19, 2017 06:40 PM (qsz6h)

129 69 I did a quick and sloppy search on genetics and thought the rule was that close inbreeding would weed out defectives. That close inbreeding would re-enforce good genes. And bad ones.

Observationally I believe in "hybrid vigor" (genetically different parents lead to offspring generally taking the best from both parents). Think about mixed race kids being more attractive. But this is very un-PC and, like IQ, nobody wants objective research on point.

Posted by: wooga at July 19, 2017 06:40 PM (3I7wr)

130 I think the irony lies in the Hawiian judge wanting to allow MORE immigrants in when most Hawaiians want everyone out of Hawaii (just leave your money and jobs, plz)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 06:34 PM (3OIiX)

Ah, my bad and a good point.

--------------------------------------------------
Then cut 'em loose.
Posted by: kraken at July 19, 2017 06:34 PM (zSVEm)

Well, I think we need to face the fact that no small island nation can really exist in the world of today as completely independent. It could but you better accept living a 1800's lifestyle or have strict population control and a healthy tourist business.

Posted by: WOPR (Colonial Marines can't use harsh language) at July 19, 2017 06:41 PM (J70i0)

131 OT and funny:

Trump. Merkl and Trudeau:

http://tinyurl.com/y8wk3s22

/can we call her German Rosie from now on?

Posted by: shibumi at July 19, 2017 06:41 PM (aT+Bx)

132 The court grabs power, The executive (historically) grabs power. Congress refuses to hold onto power and the states (and the people) never had any power. Am I right?

Posted by: USNtakim at July 19, 2017 06:41 PM (zZWkn)

133 Failed states are not the most reliable sources of Information regarding identity & etc. I recall reading a few years ago about a 'scandal' involving phoney baloney claims of family relationships by divers Somalis.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at July 19, 2017 06:41 PM (fA1SL)

134 The justice system is more 'clubby' than even Congress

But judges often are also really territorial and defensive of their powers and 'rights.' They are usually not fond of having some punk tell them they were wrong or "interpreteing" them to mean something they didn't have in mind.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 06:43 PM (39g3+)

135 Only state I've never set foot on. Do like the kings Hawaiian bread (ok, its donut bread) and recently had chorizo Spam.

It was. .. interesting.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 06:43 PM (MINbv)

136 @Soothsayer

Never, it feeds my soul.

Also I don't watch much TV, so may not be the best judge.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 06:44 PM (3OIiX)

137 128,
Yep.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 06:44 PM (MINbv)

138 135 Only state I've never set foot on. Do like the kings Hawaiian bread (ok, its donut bread) and recently had chorizo Spam.

It was. .. interesting.
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 06:43 PM (MINbv)

Kings hawaiian bread is Portuguese sweet bread. You should try malasada.

Posted by: CaliGirl at July 19, 2017 06:45 PM (Ri/rl)

139 The court grabs power, The executive (historically) grabs power. Congress refuses to hold onto power and the states (and the people) never had any power. Am I right?

Posted by: USNtakim at July 19, 2017 06:41 PM (zZWkn)

In the party-oriented Eurotrash parliamentary systems the "Congress" (parliament) grabbed all the power.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 19, 2017 06:45 PM (rZ+mb)

140 All right, off to the store.

Love all y'all, stay safe, stay armed but try to have fun, too.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 06:47 PM (3OIiX)

141 I have been to Hawaii many times. It's a beautiful state, each island is unique. The people are always really friendly but.... they absolutely hate non natives (haoles) that are not just shelling out tourist dollars. My friends kid has a job there and as a white boy he takes a lot of crap. But he surfs, so he wants to stay there. Go figure.

Posted by: keena at July 19, 2017 06:47 PM (RiTnx)

142 Do not trust the Courts, do not trust Congress... that leavesTrump, and that gives me a nervous tic...

Posted by: kraken at July 19, 2017 06:48 PM (zSVEm)

143 Let no one from Islamic states in unless they have aided US forces in Iraq, Afghanistan, or Syria. Otherwise we don't need them. Any US resident who has gone to play jihad and returns should go straight to Leavenworth to await trial for treason, be convicted, and quickly executed.

If the EU twits had 2 brain cells to rub together they would sink 'refugee' boats approaching their shores. Its an invasion you twits. Sink a few and the message will sink into their brains. DO NOT COME HERE.

Posted by: colfax mingo at July 19, 2017 06:48 PM (p7pfb)

144 Ignoramus has to be trolling at this point.

"No checks on a president".

Right. Plenary presidential authority being usurped, without any basis in law, the constitution, or common sense or justice, by a handful of ignorant political hacks in robes, in a matter of national security, is a "check" on the president.

As would a judicial order invalidating a presidential veto of legislation, or invalidating a military command, or blocking an appointment.

All ridiculous, lawless, unconstitutional - but a check on the president, to be sure.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 19, 2017 06:48 PM (QDnY+)

145 143. They barely leave the shore before they're picked up by 'humanitarian' NGO's who shuttle them to italy & etc.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at July 19, 2017 06:49 PM (fA1SL)

146
But he surfs, so he wants to stay there. Go figure.
Posted by: keena at July 19, 2017 06:47 PM (RiTnx)

Surfers are the most territorial of all.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 19, 2017 06:50 PM (lKyWE)

147 Who else hates Vivaldi's "Four Seasons" now that it's been whored out so much?
Posted by: Soothsayer --Digitally Remastered at July 19, 2017 06:40 PM (qsz6h)

OK ... so laugh at me all you want. Yesterday I admitted to looking at small-calibre Berettas.

But I have always liked some Classical Music. Which is kind of odd - because I have no fucking idea about Classical Art. As I demonstrate daily in the morning thread.

So - I don't consider "Four Seasons" whored out anymore than shit by The Band or CCR or Fleetwood Mac.

But - I gotta' admit - there's alot of times I know the classical tune but I don't know the name.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 19, 2017 06:50 PM (fiGNd)

148 Surfers are the most territorial of all.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 19, 2017 06:50 PM (lKyWE)

Big time. Locals only, no kooks.

Posted by: CaliGirl at July 19, 2017 06:51 PM (Ri/rl)

149
So this judge has determined that registering with a relief agency is a bona fide relationship

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 19, 2017 06:51 PM (lKyWE)

150 145,

Simple way to solve that problem. All that is lacking is will power. DJT was coreect to note Western Civilization must be defended.

Posted by: colfax mingo at July 19, 2017 06:52 PM (p7pfb)

151 You should try malasada."

Do they sell that in Texas?

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 06:52 PM (MINbv)

152
151 You should try malasada."

Do they sell that in Texas?
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 06:52 PM (MINbv)

I doubt it. Portuguese donut. I bet they have them in New England.

That sounds like a bad joke.

Posted by: CaliGirl at July 19, 2017 06:53 PM (Ri/rl)

153
I'd say my favorite piece of music is Waltz Number 2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmCnQDUSO4I

Posted by: Soothsayer --Digitally Remastered at July 19, 2017 06:53 PM (qsz6h)

154 Which is kind of odd - because I have no fucking idea about Classical Art."

Not odd at all. Music is great. Painting is how my house gets color on the walls. Only things worse are gardening and chess. ...

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 06:54 PM (MINbv)

155 Send them all to Hawaii.

Posted by: Javems at July 19, 2017 06:54 PM (yOqwj)

156 IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE HAWAIIANS LIKE PINEAPPLE AND MOST OF US WOULD LIKE TO PLAY HIDE THE PINEAPPLE WITH THIS HAWAIIAN JUDGE.

Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at July 19, 2017 06:56 PM (mcI77)

157

Red West is mortadella.

Sad.

Posted by: Soothsayer --Digitally Remastered at July 19, 2017 06:58 PM (qsz6h)

158 Do they sell that in Texas?

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 06:52 PM (MINbv) fnord (MINbv)

In Houston they do.

There are several bakeries that have Portuguese food.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 06:58 PM (wB8Tg)

159 Not odd at all. Music is great. Painting is how my house gets color on the walls. Only things worse are gardening and chess. ...
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 06:54 PM (MINbv)

I garden ...

*surrenders man card*

... but I'm good at it !!!

*hangs head*

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 19, 2017 06:58 PM (fiGNd)

160 It's a tax!

Posted by: Chief Justice Roberts at July 19, 2017 06:58 PM (ANIFC)

161 I doubt it. Portuguese donut"

Ok, had that at Mikes American (springfield, va)

Need to introduce them to the local donut shops

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 06:58 PM (MINbv)

162 We never should have made Hawaii a state, should have kept it a territory like Puerto Rico for the military.

The local natives absolutely hate white people, and it will always be a left-wing state that sends its idiocy to DC every election.

But the beaches are beautiful.

Posted by: Maritime at July 19, 2017 06:58 PM (mYJIs)

163
You'll remember RED WEST as the ornery Marine mechanic on Black Sheep Squadron.

Also was in ROADHOUSE movie with Patrick Swayze.

And in Walking Tall.

Posted by: Soothsayer --Digitally Remastered at July 19, 2017 06:59 PM (qsz6h)

164 There are several bakeries that have Portuguese food."

*starts searching bakeries*

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 07:00 PM (MINbv)

165 157. Better dead than......

Oh, wait!

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at July 19, 2017 07:00 PM (fA1SL)

166

ever have Chicken Malasada?

Posted by: Soothsayer --Digitally Remastered at July 19, 2017 07:00 PM (qsz6h)

167
Why settle this crapfest definitively? Look at all the fun lost if it is.

No more wasted money, time and ink discussing shit that no one intends to alter.

Pretenses have to be kept up lest the public lose faith in our institutions.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 19, 2017 07:01 PM (S/hVx)

168 should have made Hawaii a state, should have kept it a territory like Puerto Rico for the military.

The local natives absolutely hate white people, and it will always be a left-wing state that sends its idiocy to DC every election.

But the beaches are beautiful.
Posted by: Maritime at July 19, 2017 06:58 PM (mYJIs)

Real estate is really cheap right now in Puerto Rico with all the foreclosures.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at July 19, 2017 07:02 PM (dKiJG)

169 ever have Chicken Malasada?"

Is that like chicken Masada?

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 07:02 PM (MINbv)

170 166

ever have Chicken Malasada?
Posted by: Soothsayer --Digitally Remastered at July 19, 2017 07:00 PM (qsz6h)

No, I haven't. I've never heard of it.

Posted by: CaliGirl at July 19, 2017 07:03 PM (Ri/rl)

171 159 Not odd at all. Music is great. Painting is how my house gets color on the walls. Only things worse are gardening and chess. ...
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 06:54 PM (MINbv)

I garden ...

*surrenders man card*

... but I'm good at it !!!

*hangs head*
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 19, 2017 06:58 PM (fiGNd)

Sir! My Father, one of the Manliest Men to ever do Man Things.... also Gardened... and was very very good at it...

Think of it as Urban Farming...

Posted by: Don Q. at July 19, 2017 07:03 PM (NgKpN)

172 169. It's the indian version of chicken tikkun masada, a traditional Jewish dish. Everyone knows that.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at July 19, 2017 07:03 PM (fA1SL)

173 You'll remember RED WEST as the ornery Marine mechanic on Black Sheep Squadron.

He was one of Elvis's guys too if I remember right.

Posted by: tu3031 at July 19, 2017 07:04 PM (qJhUV)

174 *I think it's chicken marsala, but hey*

How bout some chicken Mazda?

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 07:04 PM (MINbv)

175 Posted by: ScoggDog at July 19, 2017 06:58 PM (fiGNd)

I'm right there wit ya brotha. I love to garden and I'm pretty good at it.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 19, 2017 07:05 PM (pDZCs)

176 174. Zoroastrian thanksgiving dinner.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at July 19, 2017 07:05 PM (fA1SL)

177 Watson subsequently expanded the definition of "bona fide relationship" to include grandparents, grandchildren, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, cousins, or siblings-in-law.

He left out buddies from the same terrorist cell.

Oversight, no doubt.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 19, 2017 07:05 PM (SRKgf)

178 Ok, had that at Mikes American (springfield, va)

Need to introduce them to the local donut shops
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 06:58 PM (MINbv)

My great aunt used to make them. They are delicious.

Posted by: CaliGirl at July 19, 2017 07:05 PM (Ri/rl)

179
He was one of Elvis's guys too if I remember right.

Yep

Posted by: Soothsayer --Digitally Remastered at July 19, 2017 07:06 PM (qsz6h)

180 176,

Snort.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 07:06 PM (MINbv)

181 I think any judge that issues rulings "because Hillary lost" should be disbarred.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 19, 2017 07:06 PM (MZcWR)

182 Lord, protect us from lawless judges.

Posted by: Negroni at July 19, 2017 07:07 PM (JJ4Dc)

183 ever have Chicken Malasada?
Posted by: Soothsayer --Digitally Remastered at July 19, 2017 07:00 PM (qsz6h)

Chicken doughhnut holes?

Posted by: bergerbilder at July 19, 2017 07:08 PM (lIZQs)

184 158 Do they sell that in Texas?

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 06:52 PM (MINbv) fnord (MINbv)

In Houston they do.

There are several bakeries that have Portuguese food.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 06:58 PM (wB8Tg)

That makes sense. The Portuguese people came here and were fishermen and also they were dairymen. I know a lot settled in New England.

Posted by: CaliGirl at July 19, 2017 07:09 PM (Ri/rl)

185 "In general, Congress has the given the president the power to limit immigration by groups he deems a threat to US security. The SC really can only say he isn't following the law and not rule on the Constitutionality of the issue because Congress has full power over immigration."

Yes, but we may get a SCOTUS opinion that adds a 14th Amendment gloss that POTUS can't be a bigot. Or that may be a concurring minority opinion in a 9 to 0 decision.

Posted by: Game of Throne Targaryens at July 19, 2017 07:09 PM (+7/1f)

186 "I think the Supreme Court routinely declines to decide until the correct
procedural moment for deciding, which in this case would be after the
Ninth Circuit's review."

Oh great. So now to go along with such windy judicial argle-bargle as "emanations", "penumbras", and "standing", there's the new concept of "the correct procedural moment".

Wasn't that why Sum Ting Wong and Ho Lee Fuk flew their perfectly good Boeing 777 jetliner into the seawall at the San Francisco airport? Because it was obvious something was amiss but everyone on the flight deck was waiting patiently for "the correct procedural moment" to step in and do something about it?

Posted by: torquewrench at July 19, 2017 07:09 PM (ujwCG)

187 I'm right there wit ya brotha. I love to garden and I'm pretty good at it.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 19, 2017 07:05 PM (pDZCs)

We need to have our own AOSHQ Yahoo group.

Posted by: bergerbilder at July 19, 2017 07:10 PM (lIZQs)

188 fuck hawaii, their judges, and their overpriced shitshow. end hawaii statehood now. going to tip over anyway.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 19, 2017 07:12 PM (KP5rU)

189 nood

Posted by: tu3031 at July 19, 2017 07:13 PM (qJhUV)

190 Here is a frightening thought
Linda Sarsour NOOD

Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2017 07:13 PM (9g/6M)

191
and their overpriced shitshow

I've never been to Hawaii but I imagine it to be one giant Hotel Room Snack Bar.

Terrible value for what you get. No thanks.

Posted by: Soothsayer --Digitally Remastered at July 19, 2017 07:14 PM (qsz6h)

192 We need to have our own AOSHQ Yahoo group.

Posted by: bergerbilder at July 19, 2017 07:10 PM (lIZQs)

Men in the garden...without cards...without pants and cards. Holy kerfvck; NO!

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 19, 2017 07:14 PM (pDZCs)

193 "I think the irony lies in the Hawiian judge wanting to allow MORE
immigrants in when most Hawaiians want everyone out of Hawaii (just
leave your money and jobs, plz)"

The number of "refugees" officially dispatched by Obama to his home haven of Hawaii pretty much approximated to zero.

To revoice what ought to be a pretty obvious concept, one way to sow dissension among the factions of the left is to start administering large doses to them of the same medicine they've been forcing down the rest of our throats.

A Hawaiian judge wants an open door to "refugees"? Okay, Hawaii, here's a hundred thousand of 'em, on the hoof. Flown in via the military airstrips. More coming next month.

What? What's that you say? You can't cope? There's no room left? You're out of money already? Well, tough titty, said the kitty, when the milk ran dry.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 19, 2017 07:15 PM (ujwCG)

194 "Ignoramus has to be trolling at this point.
"No checks on a president"."

Any SCOTUS opinion that puts any question about POTUS's plenary authority on immigration is wrong, and is an affront not just to POTUS authority but also to the authority of Congress, which delegated its express Constitutional authority to POTUS in the first place. So this is not the place for SCOTUS to put a check on POTUS.

Rhomboid argues against SCOTUS ever being a check on POTUS, which has been part of our Constitutional scheme IN PRACTICE for over 200 years (since Marbury v Madison).

Else we'd have it OK for Presidents to seize factories when they felt like it, or round up citizens without adequate cause, etc, etc.

Posted by: Game of Throne Targaryens at July 19, 2017 07:16 PM (+7/1f)

195 It is furthermore the ruling of this Court that Minnesota legislator Ilhan Omar of Somalia-St. Paul may enter the country twice, having married her brother-husband.

So let it be written, So let it be done.

Posted by: Hawiian Judge/Co-President Uke Alailie at July 19, 2017 07:20 PM (Ndje9)

196 Soc off

Posted by: Ignoramus at July 19, 2017 07:21 PM (+7/1f)

197 "A Hawaiian judge wants an open door to "refugees"? Okay, Hawaii, here's a hundred thousand of 'em, on the hoof. Flown in via the military airstrips. More coming next month."

Great idea

Posted by: Ignoramus at July 19, 2017 07:23 PM (+7/1f)

198 The District Court ruled that, in addition to those relationships, grandparents, grandchildren, brothers-in-law, sisters-in-law, aunts and uncles, nephews and nieces, and cousins also be included in the definition of "close familial relationship."

Everyone on Earth bears some sort of cousin relation to everyone else. But, even restricted to first cousins (and even that restricted to no times removed) this still basically says, "Yeah ... you can bring your whole country over here."

The whole friggin State department ought to be shut down. And Trump lets them run amok like this? I don't give a shit what some retarded judge says. The SCOTUS also should be forced to wear dunce caps to court for allowing this obvious bullshit to stand. Friggin in-laws? Close family ... yeah ... And we even get to bring in in-laws from countries that don't even really have laws.

One muzzie with a few wives and a set of 6 or 7 siblings with a few wives, each, could easily have hundreds qualify to invade this nation with him. Beautiful.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 19, 2017 07:23 PM (rZ+mb)

199 A Hawaiian judge wants an open door to "refugees"? Okay, Hawaii, here's a hundred thousand of 'em, on the hoof. Flown in via the military airstrips. More coming next month.
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That's kind of like what Italy is doing. Overrun by "migrants," thanks to Frau Merkel's open door policy (which she has doubled down on, saying she refuses to put any limit on the number of "migrants" Europe will accept), Italy is threatening to issue all the "migrants" that show up on its shores with Italian visas, so that they can then "migrate" to other, more welcoming countries in Europe (and get the hell out of Italy, which doesn't want them).

I hope Italy does it, and that all the "migrants" set up residence in Berlin and demand their lifelong welfare hand-outs from Mama Merkel and her magical money tree.

And it would be only fitting for the Trump administration to fly a few thousand (or more) muzzie "refugees" to Hawaii and let the Hawaiians provide for them, since they're so damn eager to welcome them.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 19, 2017 07:36 PM (IBcGJ)

200 How bout some chicken Mazda?
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 07:04 PM (MINbv)
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I can't cook that. Ah'l hurry Mazda.

Posted by: Axeman at July 19, 2017 07:45 PM (2mC6G)

201 God help the Left if one of these Muslims develops sudden jhadi syndrome ...

Posted by: 40M dead babies at July 19, 2017 07:45 PM (vzJm/)

202 Can't we get a federal judge somewhere to issue a nationwide ruling overturning the 1968 GCA and maybe LBJs Great Society enabling legislation?

If the left is going to make a joke of of laws and the courts, we might as well use that against them. Make them play by their rotten rules until they decide they liked having real rules and cut the shit.

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at July 19, 2017 07:58 PM (N5dam)

203 Watson subsequently expanded the definition of "bona fide relationship" to include grandparents, grandchildren, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, cousins, or siblings-in-law.

I thought those relatives were not even eligible for visa petition by American (naturalized) citizens at all.

Also, extending to those relatives from a heavily inbred culture with poor official records (those on the list) leaves the whole damn country eligible for relative visas.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 19, 2017 10:54 PM (P/kVC)

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