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Claremont McKenna College Gives a Few Disruptive SJWs Suspensions for Shutting Down a Heather MacDonald Speech
Some of these punishments are pretty decent and fit the crime -- a full year of suspension from college is a penalty that fits the crime, and is no joke.
But only three students got that penalty -- out of approximately 170 individuals who participated in the shut-down. Four other students were penalized -- one barely. Three got a semester's suspension, which is barely a penalty. Another got probation -- which is not a penalty. It's a Formal Declaration of Getting a Strong Talking To. The other 163 or so have walked with no penalty -- some because they couldn't be identified (and hey, I guess it's time to prohibit masks at demonstrations, huh, upon penalty of suspension or even expulsion...?). There are two common suggestions for deterring crime: 1. Making the penalty so stiff no one thinks about breaking the law. 2. Increase detection/capture rates so that a much larger portion of law-breakers are sanctioned. Studies prove that #2 works, and #1 barely works at all. A huge penalty is so huge that everyone assumes "That won't happen to me." Also, there are serious concerns of fairness -- a penalty should be based on the severity of the crime itself. You get into a dubious morality when you say you're going to penalize something much more harshly than the crime warrants, just to "send a message" to other law-breakers. Penalties should be about individual justice, not "sending messages." It's not really fair if 99% of lawbreakers are not punished at all, and then 1% gets some outsized penalty to make up for all the non-penalties the ones you didn't catch got away with. So a one year suspension for trying to shut down other students' right to hear a speaker -- sounds good. But this isn't going to be any kind of deterrent if just 1.5% of the malefactors are punished. You need to catch, and suspend, 25% or more of them to restore order. And I'm assuming the ones suspended did not commit actual crimes of violence. If they did, then a one year suspension is far too light -- they should be handed over to the police to get their criminal record colored up a bit, and maybe spend some time in the iron-bar college.Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: rickb223 at July 19, 2017 04:35 PM (G0G8s)
Posted by: rickb223 at July 19, 2017 04:36 PM (G0G8s)
Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2017 04:36 PM (9g/6M)
Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2017 04:37 PM (9g/6M)
Posted by: RiverRat1297 at July 19, 2017 04:37 PM (4BT7c)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 04:37 PM (3OIiX)
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at July 19, 2017 04:37 PM (72PAC)
Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2017 04:37 PM (9g/6M)
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at July 19, 2017 04:37 PM (2qHjF)
If they are suspended, do they still have to pay? Because if they don't have to pay, I can see where this won't work. No school will cut there throat and lose 25% of their revenues.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 19, 2017 04:38 PM (G0G8s)
The night of the very short knives.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 19, 2017 04:38 PM (Mouru)
The Maxists are in total control.
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at July 19, 2017 04:38 PM (2qHjF)
I linked this yeasterday but no feedback --it's hilarious:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCIDYR_25zY
Posted by: Soothsayer --Digitally Remastered at July 19, 2017 04:39 PM (qsz6h)
And another one, which is good too, and based on The Matrix:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CidT8Ed4iC4
Posted by: Soothsayer --Digitally Remastered at July 19, 2017 04:39 PM (qsz6h)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 04:39 PM (3OIiX)
A one-year suspension plus burning at the stake sounds even better.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 19, 2017 04:40 PM (Mouru)
Posted by: bergerbilder at July 19, 2017 04:40 PM (lIZQs)
1. Making the penalty so stiff no one thinks about breaking the law.
2. Increase detection/capture rates so that a much larger portion of law-breakers are sanctioned.
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3. I can't say it isn't nice or kind, but very misanthropic
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 19, 2017 04:40 PM (ZTRlp)
Posted by: Tentotwo at July 19, 2017 04:40 PM (yhf6w)
Ha!
The latest "If Car Commercials Were Real Life" vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5Fb10J8gk8
Posted by: Soothsayer --Digitally Remastered at July 19, 2017 04:40 PM (qsz6h)
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 04:41 PM (MINbv)
Yup.
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 04:41 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at July 19, 2017 04:41 PM (aMvGk)
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at July 19, 2017 04:42 PM (2qHjF)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 19, 2017 04:42 PM (iVOAv)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 19, 2017 04:43 PM (Mouru)
These fucks who got suspended will be rewarded for it in the future by colleges and employment.
It's like the mob.Until you've taken a pinch you ain't a mobster
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 19, 2017 04:43 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 19, 2017 04:43 PM (GoNER)
Even if every donor "boycotted" the school, they're pretty much set for decades.
So all we can do is watch from afar and hurl impotent words at them.
Posted by: zombie's new ACCURATE self-portrait avatar photo (SFW) at July 19, 2017 04:44 PM (DQ4Fv)
Posted by: Tonypete at July 19, 2017 04:45 PM (tr2D7)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at July 19, 2017 04:46 PM (fA1SL)
Posted by: Dang at July 19, 2017 04:47 PM (8b+oT)
Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2017 04:47 PM (9g/6M)
Posted by: dantesed at July 19, 2017 04:48 PM (88xKn)
Posted by: Cardinal LL Cool J at July 19, 2017 04:48 PM (Yyyf3)
Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2017 04:47 PM (9g/6M)
Tasers fastened to the tips of their lances.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 19, 2017 04:49 PM (hcyUh)
Posted by: buzzion at July 19, 2017 04:49 PM (z/Ubi)
If you hit the right leaders with something severe, you might get the follower sheeple to back down. These Leftist organizations tend to be very top-down.
Personally, I like the idea of the rest of them being put on a Campus Watch List.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 19, 2017 04:49 PM (ujg0T)
The latest "If Car Commercials Were Real Life" vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5Fb10J8gk8
Posted by: Soothsayer
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YES! Good one, again! Love those - thanks!
Posted by: Dang at July 19, 2017 04:50 PM (8b+oT)
Posted by: dantesed at July 19, 2017 04:48 PM (88xKn)
Inland Empire, east of Los Angeles. Rancho Cucamonga, Upland, and Ontario are some of the closest cities to it.
Posted by: Cardinal LL Cool J at July 19, 2017 04:50 PM (Yyyf3)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 04:50 PM (3OIiX)
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 19, 2017 04:50 PM (hcyUh)
Posted by: bergerbilder at July 19, 2017 04:40 PM (lIZQs)
Suspending the draft shortly afterwards, and then abolishing it in 1973, probably had something to do with that as well.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 19, 2017 04:51 PM (ujg0T)
Kent State wasn't a riot on campus on the day of the massacre. There had been a riot in town a couple of days earlier.
I'm sure that there have been countless campus incidents you'd count as a riot since then.
At Kent State four young people were murdered at an average distance of 100 yards. It never ceases to amaze me when people celebrate the murder.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 19, 2017 04:51 PM (gIRsn)
No problems at that demonstration.
NO MORE MASKS.
Posted by: Hamilton at July 19, 2017 04:51 PM (sCjDS)
Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2017 04:47 PM (9g/6M)
Difficult or awesome?
Paging the Seattle Knights...though several are proggy lefties. Sad.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 04:51 PM (3OIiX)
Posted by: buzzion
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Where's the beat-the-shit-out-of-them part? We need that.
Posted by: Dang at July 19, 2017 04:51 PM (8b+oT)
The Maxists are in total control.
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at July 19, 2017 04:38 PM (2qHjF)
Blacklisting had its merits.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 19, 2017 04:52 PM (ujg0T)
Posted by: Weasel at July 19, 2017 04:52 PM (Sfs6o)
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 04:52 PM (bN6TL)
I have been SO worried about the financial security of "mid-career novelists," that I haven't been sleeping at night. This is a human rights issue, people! Without "mid-career novelists," society will collapse!
But not to worry -- Berkeley to the rescue! There is now a special prize specifically to support "mid-career novelists":
http://www.berkeleyside.com/2017/07/19/ new-50k-berkeley-literary-prize-aims-help-mid-career-novelists/
First $50,000 handed out to a black Berkeley novelist whose previous book weaves the tale of four SJW students from Berkeley who travel to the racist South to stop a Civil War Reenactment. Righteous!
Posted by: zombie's new ACCURATE self-portrait avatar photo (SFW) at July 19, 2017 04:52 PM (DQ4Fv)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 19, 2017 04:51 PM (gIRsn)
IIRC, two of those shot actually were rioting, and the other two were just unlucky people in the wrong place at the wrong time. :-(
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 19, 2017 04:53 PM (ujg0T)
Posted by: buzzion
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Where's the beat-the-shit-out-of-them part? We need that.
Posted by: Dang at July 19, 2017 04:51 PM (8b+oT)
That's what you do to properly identify them. duh.
Posted by: buzzion at July 19, 2017 04:54 PM (z/Ubi)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 19, 2017 04:51 PM (gIRsn)
Some of us are very bad people. Or prescient in target analysis.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 04:54 PM (3OIiX)
Posted by: dantesed at July 19, 2017 04:48 PM (88xKn)
Claremont, CA
Posted by: The Geographic Hat at July 19, 2017 04:54 PM (vBeA5)
a group of approximately 170 individuals from the Claremont Colleges and others outside our community
A hundred seventy protesters total, or 170 people from Claremont Colleges, not all of whom were students (meaning some faculty?). How many of the protestors were not students, staff, or faculty of Claremont?
and I see both spellings of 'protesters/protestors' in online dictionaries.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 04:54 PM (m9X4Y)
If we didn't have a feckless repub congress, they could actually protect free speech under threat of loss of financing. But... we do. sigh.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 19, 2017 04:55 PM (r+sAi)
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I got a hat! *holds up Starbucks hat* And an apron... thing.
Posted by: Dang at July 19, 2017 04:55 PM (8b+oT)
Posted by: Bat Wielding Lesbians of Evergreen State College at July 19, 2017 04:55 PM (qJhUV)
yes, but currently non-prosecution is about sending US the message that Hillary/Podesta/Comey CAN take bribes and sell out America, but any "drain the swamp" effort will be met with unwarranted deep state probes of the innocent. Selective prosecution of the patriots, FBI level protection of the crooks.
But yes, at least faced with donor resistance and absurd levels of intolerance to free speech ... a few have faced real penalties from the university. BUT they probably committed real criminal acts, and should face real civil lawsuits as well as criminal.
But still, at least the BigU fascists have bent a little, a slight admission of wrong. Their front line has buckled ... keep probing.
Posted by: illiniwek at July 19, 2017 04:55 PM (HQuBO)
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 19, 2017 04:55 PM (MduLE)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 19, 2017 04:55 PM (PY9jH)
No problems at that demonstration.
NO MORE MASKS.
Posted by: Hamilton at July 19, 2017 04:51 PM (sCjDS)
Auburn
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 19, 2017 04:55 PM (pNxlR)
Anyone who knows the Claremont Colleges knew this was true the minute they heard about this. Scripps is a radical left wing feminist institution, and Pitzer is a wanna-be Berkeley. Pomona is basically in the Stanford model so it's "normal" campus radicals.
CMC is considered conservative by the other colleges, which is why they were chanting "How do you spell racist? C-M-C".
Posted by: Nessuno at July 19, 2017 04:56 PM (1gmYw)
Posted by: Weasel at July 19, 2017 04:56 PM (Sfs6o)
the other two were just unlucky people in the wrong place at the wrong
time. :-(
Posted by: Curmedgeon
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Yeah, don't throw rocks at people with guns. And don't hang out with people who throw rocks at people with guns.
Posted by: Dang at July 19, 2017 04:57 PM (8b+oT)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 19, 2017 04:51 PM (gIRsn)
Said it this morning .... Republicans love their Elites too. It's just Cops and Soldiers instead of Lawyers and Bureaucrats.
But my oh my, do they ever love the State putting the Citizenry in their place - when it's done by The Right People.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 19, 2017 04:57 PM (GoNER)
I don't buy the "we can't tell who they are" thing, everyone has cell phones and is taking pictures and videos. Everyone knows someone. You can find out. They just don't want to.
The faculty fears the students and their parents more than the alumni and the victims. Alumni are barely able to generate more than a single digit IQ when it comes to donations, they don't give a damn what happens on campus or what their alma mater is like. Victims are declared unpersons so they don't count.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 04:57 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez,they are gaslighting us 24/7 at July 19, 2017 04:58 PM (Mcvvl)
The killings shouldn't be celebrated but the situation is greatly mischaracterized and many myths abound. Most don't know that this was the culmination of over a week's rioting that included damaging stores and cars in town, burning buildings, and shutting down the entire campus. Most don't know that its very likely one of the students fired at the national guard before the guard opened fire (audio has a pistol shot before the rifles).
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 04:59 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 04:59 PM (bN6TL)
While not that satisfying, that might be sufficient for deterrence.
Posted by: chris not rock at July 19, 2017 04:59 PM (dX5s2)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 19, 2017 05:01 PM (ctuyM)
Who do you want to enforce order?
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 04:59 PM (bN6TL)
I want it enforced less.
We don't suffer from a lack of Policing. We suffer from too much.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 19, 2017 05:01 PM (GoNER)
Posted by: Strobe at July 19, 2017 05:02 PM (gbWkA)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 05:02 PM (39g3+)
Nearest dead victim was 85 yards away, furthest was 130. Nearest injured victim was 35 yards away.
MLB lost some great rock throwing arms that day.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 19, 2017 05:02 PM (gIRsn)
I didn't know that text without spaces was catnip to the margins. Seriously, it was like Sex Panther. It was all over me.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 05:02 PM (3OIiX)
Posted by: qdpsteve at July 19, 2017 05:02 PM (K68xI)
Okay but that's not what you said. I guess I should have asked specifically about the campus riots / protests. Should there be less policing for that?
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 05:03 PM (bN6TL)
Th sound of the shots, and the caliber of the weapons, is unmistakable.
None of this was known until recently. The false leftist narrative that the troops just started firing unprovoked turned out to be a total lie.
Posted by: zombie's new ACCURATE self-portrait avatar photo (SFW) at July 19, 2017 05:04 PM (DQ4Fv)
Yep. One of the unlucky dead was ROTC. Also nine wounded, one permanently paralyzed.
Kent State was one of many college riots which followed Nixon's expanding the war into Cambodia.
Nixon's tragedy was that the he had promised to end the War, but couldn't deliver, because he was concerned with too quick an exit leading to the fall of South Vietnam, bad optics in the midst of the quite serious Cold War.
LBJ should get most of the blame for Vietnam.
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 19, 2017 05:04 PM (+7/1f)
Posted by: Dang at July 19, 2017 04:57 PM (8b+oT)
IIRC again, the two for which I actually have sympathy were some distance away from the "Front" and were not intentionally targeted.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 19, 2017 05:05 PM (ujg0T)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
Precisely.
Posted by: zombie's new ACCURATE self-portrait avatar photo (SFW) at July 19, 2017 05:05 PM (DQ4Fv)
Posted by: zombie's new ACCURATE self-portrait avatar photo (SFW) at July 19, 2017 04:44 PM
Click on the link in zombie's nic, and you'll never complain about a picture of Yoko again. Ever.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 19, 2017 05:06 PM (ctuyM)
Dot want someone killed for selling lose cigs? Don't make it illegal to sell lose cigs.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 19, 2017 05:07 PM (P/kVC)
@81
In addition to the sound of gunfire, there is also the unique sound of a bullet flying through the air. Once you have heard that sound, you immediately recognize it for what it is.
It is not the sound you hear at the movies, either.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 05:07 PM (m9X4Y)
Nearest person shot was about 70 feet, which is theoretically in throwing range, but there were earlier incidents when the guard came under attack from much closer, and smaller groups. A very large crowd was there this time, and young men on edge and outnumbered panicked. Someone shot a pistol (nobody knows who, it could have been an officer, but probably not) and they went off.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 05:07 PM (39g3+)
Ummmmmm...no. Don't do that. Believe me, I'm trying to help you.
Posted by: tu3031 at July 19, 2017 05:07 PM (qJhUV)
Posted by: zombie's new ACCURATE self-portrait avatar photo (SFW) at July 19, 2017 04:44 PM
Click on the link in zombie's nic, and you'll never complain about a picture of Yoko again. Ever.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 19, 2017 05:06 PM (ctuyM)
Yeah and people complain AlexTheChick is mean...
What did I ever do to Zombie? Was it calling her zombie-chan? It was probably calling her zombie-chan.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 05:08 PM (3OIiX)
Posted by: zombie's new ACCURATE self-portrait avatar photo (SFW) at July 19, 2017 04:44 PM
Click on the link in zombie's nic, and you'll never complain about a picture of Yoko again. Ever.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 19, 2017 05:06 PM (ctuyM)
I'm not gonna click. Is it a 6 foot tall asian black man woman that is 5'1?
Posted by: buzzion at July 19, 2017 05:08 PM (z/Ubi)
Posted by: zombie's new ACCURATE self-portrait avatar photo (SFW) at July 19, 2017 04:44 PM
Click on the link in zombie's nic, and you'll never complain about a picture of Yoko again. Ever.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 19, 2017 05:06 PM (ctuyM)
There went the last of today's coffee.
DAMN!
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 19, 2017 05:08 PM (ZTRlp)
Okay but that's not what you said. I guess I should have asked specifically about the campus riots / protests. Should there be less policing for that?
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 05:03 PM (bN6TL)
Less. No doubt.
Either stop the gathering from jump - which takes less, or leave it alone. Screw this massive presence designed to somehow create a "safe protest space".
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 19, 2017 05:08 PM (GoNER)
Nixon's tragedy was that the he had promised to end the War, but couldn't deliver, because he was concerned with too quick an exit leading to the fall of South Vietnam, bad optics in the midst of the quite serious Cold War.
Sadly 40 years latter Obama didn't have the same misgivings about pulling out of an unpopular war too soon
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 19, 2017 05:08 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 05:09 PM (3OIiX)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 19, 2017 05:09 PM (hyuyC)
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 05:09 PM (MINbv)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 19, 2017 05:06 PM (ctuyM)
How did zombie get a pic of hector?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 19, 2017 05:09 PM (PY9jH)
Oh, no. It's bad. Very bad. Very VERY bad.
Posted by: tu3031 at July 19, 2017 05:09 PM (qJhUV)
I like Col. Kratman's advice on riots back when EveryJoe was a thing.
Anyone know if he's blogging anywhere else now?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 05:09 PM (3OIiX)
Posted by: josephistan at July 19, 2017 05:10 PM (7HtZB)
@81
In addition to the sound of gunfire, there is also the unique sound of a bullet flying through the air. Once you have heard that sound, you immediately recognize it for what it is.
It is not the sound you hear at the movies, either.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 05:07 PM (m9X4Y)
Pew pew pew
Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 19, 2017 05:10 PM (P/kVC)
Th sound of the shots, and the caliber of the weapons, is unmistakable.
So the audio clearly reveals WHO fired the handgun? Audio.
Conventional wisdom is that the first shot was a .45 from a Guardsman.
Again, the average distance to the dead, unarmed, protesters was 100 yards.
If you know so much about the unmistakable sounds of calibers, what kind of aimed control fire with M-1s kills four people a football field away?
They certainly weren't in pistol range.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 19, 2017 05:10 PM (gIRsn)
Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 19, 2017 05:07 PM (P/kVC)
Moreover, if NYC had realistic smoke taxes, in line with the surrounding states (and the rest of NY, I think), none of that would have happened at all, because the enterprising Christopher Garner, one of the few "unarmed black men" for whom I have real sympathy, would have been doing something else to supplement his income.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 19, 2017 05:11 PM (ujg0T)
Posted by: Northernlurker at July 19, 2017 05:11 PM (9Cxyk)
I warned about daytime clicks, but do they listen?
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 05:11 PM (MINbv)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 05:11 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: NaCly Dog
When any consensus emerges about my appearance, it is my duty to post a picture puncturing everyone's preconceptions. Back and forth, back and forth, like a pendulum.
Posted by: zombie's new ACCURATE self-portrait avatar photo (SFW) at July 19, 2017 05:11 PM (DQ4Fv)
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@96 Salty Dog,
Zombie set us up. A week ago, she linked to a beautiful self portrait of a red haired girl, very attractive.
Now, we will never know which was the real one, and which was fake.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 05:12 PM (m9X4Y)
Posted by: Strobe at July 19, 2017 05:12 PM (gbWkA)
If you know so much about the unmistakable sounds of calibers, what kind of aimed control fire with M-1s kills four people a football field away?
I believe the gaudsmen were armed with M-14's
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 19, 2017 05:13 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 05:13 PM (MINbv)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 05:13 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young at July 19, 2017 05:13 PM (qJhUV)
Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 19, 2017 05:14 PM (P/kVC)
You do know LeRoy was a democrat, right?
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 05:09 PM (MINbv)
Don't care. Comment still stands. Because it's true. Both parties love them some Patriotism. They just can't agree upon how and when. But they absolutely agree the Citizen must serve the State.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 19, 2017 05:14 PM (GoNER)
Yet, back here in reality, I wouldn't call a one semester suspension "barely a penalty". Having your dreams and goals (yes, their dreams and goals are stupid and probably not even worth having, but that's beside the point) delayed by seven months because you acted like a jackass is a real kick in the balls/post surgery artificial vajays.
So I'll take what I can get. Although it should have happened to far more of them.
Posted by: CPT11A at July 19, 2017 05:14 PM (hxUdS)
My question today is:
Why are the Minneapolis Police Department and the Leftist Idiotette Mayor making excuses for the Salami Muslim murderer-cop when he doesn't even believe he needs to explain himself?
In other words, they are offering him an excuse on a golden platter for murdering that woman by saying he must've been spooked by fireworks nearby. BULLSHIT.
Posted by: Soothsayer --Digitally Remastered at July 19, 2017 05:15 PM (qsz6h)
Fine, then, them we sue.
Posted by: The Turtle at July 19, 2017 05:15 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Strobe at July 19, 2017 05:15 PM (gbWkA)
Posted by: buzzion at July 19, 2017 05:08 PM
Well secluded, you see all.
With a bit of a mind slip
You're into the time slip
and nothing will ever be the same.
(after looking at it)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 19, 2017 05:15 PM (ctuyM)
Posted by: DinsdalePiranha at July 19, 2017 05:16 PM (0Mxf6)
Posted by: zombie's new ACCURATE self-portrait avatar photo (SFW) at July 19, 2017 05:11 PM (DQ4Fv)
Hm. But that photo was what I imagined you looked like.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In. at July 19, 2017 05:16 PM (CPk08)
Heh, that's the kind of smart gun blog quibble that makes this place special. I don't know, wiki says M-1 Garands.
Yes it was chaos, the guardsmen were young and scared, it was a tragedy the full truth of which will never be known.
We just shouldn't celebrate it. Four dead who were way out of the range of being able to harm the guardsmen.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 19, 2017 05:16 PM (gIRsn)
Lets just say your OPSEC is phenomenal.
However, for those of us paying attention, there are clues; like how -- your father was.
Don't worry, your secret is safe with the Horde, just not inside the grey boxes that anyone can access.
And Skandia Recluse @109, that previous picture was because of the belt buckle. That's the only reason for the picture.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 19, 2017 05:17 PM (hyuyC)
What kind of cop shoots through the driver's side door from the passenger side during a routine conversation with a citizen while his partner is sitting inches away in the driver's seat??
His gun was already out of the holster for a while, I'll tell you that right now.
He was SET on killing someone.
Posted by: Soothsayer --Digitally Remastered at July 19, 2017 05:17 PM (qsz6h)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 05:17 PM (39g3+)
The argument that one can differentiate caliber from the sound, is one I've seen in several places.
Myself, I've not heard enough gunfire, from enough different calibers to be able to tell.
Except, possibly the 'boom' of black powder is different than the crack of smokeless.
I have heard bullets flying, large and small, close, and distant.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 05:17 PM (m9X4Y)
And it's far from proven that the Guard were shot at first. As cited above, most accepted view is that someone in the Guard shot a pistol first.
Shooting into a crowd, many kids just walking to class, is not the right response under any circumstances.
Under-trained, panicky, and pissed-off fits.
Also over-armed with the M-1s. Needed stuff like rubber bullets.
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 19, 2017 05:17 PM (+7/1f)
Conventional wisdom is that the first shot was a .45 from a Guardsman.
Posted by: Bandersnatch
When the audio was released, there was detailed analysis done of it. The person making the recording was in the center oft he crowd, and the analysts concurred that the audio of the initial four gunshots was definitely a pistol (not a rifle) and definitely originated near the microphone and then can heard heard whistling away -- whereas the subsequent shots sounded like rifle-fire and could be heard incoming toward the microphone. THAT's how they determined that the initial shots originated from within the crowd of protesters.
Posted by: zombie's new ACCURATE self-portrait avatar photo (SFW) at July 19, 2017 05:17 PM (DQ4Fv)
Posted by: andycanuck at July 19, 2017 05:17 PM (nlbfN)
Posted by: Northernlurker at July 19, 2017 05:18 PM (9Cxyk)
Posted by: zombie's new ACCURATE self-portrait avatar photo (SFW) at July 19, 2017 05:11 PM
You couldn't capture pendulous much better.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 19, 2017 05:18 PM (ctuyM)
Too bad. You tried to pull a "bad Republican" card and got called on it.
Some of us remember the 70s.
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 05:18 PM (MINbv)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 05:19 PM (3OIiX)
I took great delight in mailing Buisness Reply Mail envelopes back to UC Berkeley with "HELL NO" written on their funding requests, in large laundry marker letters, until they stopped sending them, since I have not received any lately.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 19, 2017 05:19 PM (ujg0T)
Posted by: tu3031 at July 19, 2017 05:20 PM (qJhUV)
Well I don't think you can tell the difference between, say, a 9mm without being some kind of expert. But you can tell the difference between a pistol and a rifle pretty easily.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 05:20 PM (39g3+)
http://tinyurl.com/ybfwueur
Posted by: tu3031 at July 19, 2017 05:20 PM (qJhUV)
And a shotgun.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 05:20 PM (3OIiX)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 05:21 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: tu3031 at July 19, 2017 05:21 PM (qJhUV)
Posted by: J. Sessions at July 19, 2017 05:22 PM (mcI77)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 19, 2017 05:23 PM (gIRsn)
Some of us remember the 70s.
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 05:18 PM (MINbv)
You didn't "call" shit. You just decided to award yourself a debate win. A typical move bitched about 'round here when done by a Prog.
Ain't near as much daylight between you and them as you'd like to think.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 19, 2017 05:23 PM (GoNER)
Posted by: Donny "two scoops" at July 19, 2017 05:23 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Donny at July 19, 2017 05:24 PM (39g3+)
Now that's a hundred times better post than your initial one.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 05:24 PM (bN6TL)
Posted by: bergerbilder at July 19, 2017 05:25 PM (lIZQs)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 05:21 PM
Choosy experts choose .45, as JMB (PBUH) intended.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 19, 2017 05:25 PM (ctuyM)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 19, 2017 05:09 PM
I thought it was pic of Chaz Bono.
Posted by: olddog in mo at July 19, 2017 05:25 PM (Dhht7)
I agree, but I also think a good punishment can send a useful message while being about justice.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 05:26 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Donny at July 19, 2017 05:24 PM (39g3+)
But you can trick your enemy that you're out by throwing an empty one in the air. ( I think everyone knows those WWII stories).
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 05:26 PM (bN6TL)
Considering you have no clue about me, I'll just say Bless your heart.
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 05:26 PM (MINbv)
Patton thought it was "the greatest battle implement ever devised".
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 19, 2017 05:27 PM (+7/1f)
Posted by: Under Fire at July 19, 2017 05:27 PM (mcI77)
Posted by: irongramapa at July 19, 2017 05:28 PM (S/hVx)
And the Garand is a damn fine rifle. Just avoid 'Garand thumb' and it will serve well.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 05:28 PM (3OIiX)
Actually, you're missing one in this instance:
3. Beat downs.
Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at July 19, 2017 05:29 PM (jWe5r)
I doubt this. A lot of those studies are likely by people arguing for reduced sentencing, ie. anti death penalty, anti trying minors as adults, anti sentencing guidelines, and the like.
Harsh penalties are a deterrent. There is no question about that, but arbitrary penalties can be counter productive.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at July 19, 2017 05:29 PM (LWu6U)
Indeed. The news reports had the entire town ablaze and smoke filled. People stopped on the street (lived in NY then) to talk about it.
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 05:30 PM (MINbv)
Posted by: Fritz at July 19, 2017 05:30 PM (eLttb)
Conventional wisdom is that the first shot was a .45 from a Guardsman.
Again, the average distance to the dead, unarmed, protesters was 100 yards.
If you know so much about the unmistakable sounds of calibers, what kind of aimed control fire with M-1s kills four people a football field away?
They certainly weren't in pistol range.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 19, 2017 05:10 PM (gIRsn)
One theory is the shot was accidentally fired by a reporter, who had a pistol, by accident.
The distance was because the Guard was retreating up a hill because the crowd kept closing in on them and throwing stuff.
Yeah, after a week of rioting everyone was a bit tense to say the least.
Posted by: WOPR (Colonial Marines can't use harsh language) at July 19, 2017 05:31 PM (J70i0)
Yeah well every gun has its hazards. I saw an episode of Forensic Files where a guy got busted because he got part of his thumb webbing caught and turn in the slide of a pistol, like a DNA fingerprint.
That's gotta sting.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 05:31 PM (39g3+)
Yes the .45 has a definite thud sound to me .
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 05:31 PM (bN6TL)
Expert riflemen were shooting 1,000 yard targets back in the 60s but the bullet drop at that distance was rather large. I suppose I could look it up.
375 inches according to gundata dot org
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 05:32 PM (m9X4Y)
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 05:26 PM (MINbv)
Say whatever you want ... it's true. You just tried the "The Argument Is Settled" gambit. Says who ? You ? Who shit you a crown ?
It is what it is ... you're not the only one around here spouting the Projection of Force by Government is Back in Style line. I get it.
And when Dems get back in charge - you'll eat my skeptical shit up. Just not right now. Because Your Team is in charge.
Aww ... don't pay me no mind. I'm just one of them Long Haired Hippy Type Pinko Fags. I even got a Commie Flag ... tacked up on the wall inside of my garage.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 19, 2017 05:33 PM (GoNER)
Posted by: CPT11A at July 19, 2017 05:33 PM (hxUdS)
Nope. Not me.
I'd rather the State stay completely out of it so I can deal with people like you without any interference.
Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at July 19, 2017 05:34 PM (jWe5r)
He laughed in disbelief when he heard fellow Democrats later talking about how Tricky Dick had cynically orchestrated the shootings to put the fear of God into the longhaired hippie peace demonstrators.
What was going on at 1600 Pennsylvania on that afternoon, Moynihan went on to explain, was total confusion and frustration.
They didn't know anything more about what happened than did Joe Sixpack watching the television news. There had been a complete breakdown of communications between the White House and the Ohio Guard command structure.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 19, 2017 05:34 PM (ujwCG)
Posted by: Fritz at July 19, 2017 05:30 PM (eLttb)
However, a water cannon requires a larger fire truck like vehicle. For the pedestrian parts of campus, we might prefer these:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_bullet
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 19, 2017 05:34 PM (ujg0T)
Posted by: Hate Has No Homo at July 19, 2017 05:34 PM (psH+N)
Posted by: zombie's new ACCURATE self-portrait avatar photo (SFW) at July 19, 2017 05:17
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Sounds like "Rules of Engagement" with Samuel Jackson and Tommy Lee Jones.
Posted by: olddog in mo at July 19, 2017 05:34 PM (Dhht7)
Posted by: Soona at July 19, 2017 05:34 PM (Fmupd)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 05:35 PM (39g3+)
I've never fired a Garand. Can someone explain this warning bell thing and the "trick" to cover it up?
Posted by: CPT11A at July 19, 2017 05:33 PM (hxUdS)
Clip fed and when the cempty clip ejected after firing the last round it made a loud distinctive ring
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 19, 2017 05:35 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: Fritz at July 19, 2017 05:35 PM (eLttb)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_bullet
You mean like these?
http://tinyurl.com/y8f7u66n
-A reporter
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 05:36 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Hate Has No Homo at July 19, 2017 05:36 PM (psH+N)
The Glock 20 and 21 SF just...work. Light, accurate, high capacity...I haven't given up on smaller pistols entirely, I have some smaller single stack pistols for summer, but I'm 90% sure I'm switching and staying switched.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 05:36 PM (3OIiX)
If they came hard out of the gate and really tracked down who all the protesters were, they'd be suspending a large number of people. Hurts their bottom line and they'd almost certainly have a backlash on their hands.
Cornell did this with a protest on campus--black students took over the student union and then subsequently armed themselves. The admin threw them out, and it led to a huge student protest--so they relented. And when they relented, a lot of professors quit. The argument is made that the government department has never recovered. Alan Bloom most notable among the departures. Thomas Sowell had departed not long before for similar reasons.
Posted by: TexasDan at July 19, 2017 05:37 PM (yL25O)
As posted above, Soilders would carry empty clips to throw down during close quarter fighting.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 05:37 PM (bN6TL)
Posted by: CPT11A at July 19, 2017 05:33 PM (hxUdS)
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You have to use your thumb.
Posted by: Hate Has No Homo at July 19, 2017 05:38 PM (psH+N)
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 19, 2017 05:33 PM (GoNER)
Actually I respect your reluctance to give the State too much power.
As far as I am concerned, "you're a faithful follower of Brother John Birch, you belong to the Antioch Baptist Church, and you don't even have a garage--we can phone and ask your wife!"
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 19, 2017 05:38 PM (ujg0T)
Posted by: EV AZ at July 19, 2017 05:39 PM (WYkii)
he started saying somethin' 'bout the way I was dressed
But I didn't wait around to hear the rest
I was too busy movin' and hopin' I didn't run outta luck
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 05:40 PM (39g3+)
Dudes and dudettes...we are all pretty much on the same side.
We get trolls in here now and again but we don't need to be shooting at each other.
You're all morons and you're all players and you're all cool
Just my $.02 and glad to be out of that damn barrel
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 05:40 PM (3OIiX)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_bullet
I was thinking something more like these.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/ya8hkfwp
Posted by: Under Fire at July 19, 2017 05:41 PM (mcI77)
Posted by: Hate Has No Homo at July 19, 2017 05:41 PM (psH+N)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_bullet
Do they make rubber bullets in 25mm?
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at July 19, 2017 05:41 PM (fKWf6)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 19, 2017 05:42 PM (iVOAv)
We get trolls in here now and again but we don't need to be shooting at each other.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
Audio recordings of this thread PROVE that the first insult originated from WITHIN the comments section, and the snappy comebacks were fired from a smartphone.
Posted by: zombie's new ACCURATE self-portrait avatar photo (SFW) at July 19, 2017 05:43 PM (DQ4Fv)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 05:43 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at July 19, 2017 05:43 PM (fA1SL)
Posted by: EV AZ at July 19, 2017 05:39 PM (WYkii)
The idea of a student loan was that it was supposed to be collateralized by the student's future earnings, having learned a useful skill set.
Now, it's collateralized by Uncle Sam, so the dopey jagoffs don't have to learn how to do anything, or be better than anyone at anything at all.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 19, 2017 05:43 PM (hcyUh)
Back, and to the right
Back, and to the right
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 05:44 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 19, 2017 05:42 PM (iVOAv)
Hitting a hippie would make me feel better.
Posted by: Under Fire at July 19, 2017 05:44 PM (mcI77)
--------------------------
Everyone has moods.
I had one this morning.
If Ace were to shut down the blog, I don't think I would survive the withdrawal symptoms.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 05:44 PM (m9X4Y)
I've never fired a Garand. Can someone explain this warning bell thing and the "trick" to cover it up?
Posted by: CPT11A at July 19, 2017 05:33 PM (hxUdS)
..
the trick to cover it up was for two soldiers to work as a pair.
It held 8 rounds, so Germans learned to count 8 shots and listen for the ring--that was one soldier who was now reloading, so it was safe to come out of cover and fire.
Two soldiers would fire in a 3-2-3 pattern (i think the first soldier had to only load 6 rounds) so that the first soldier's rifle would make the ping.
Hearing 8 rounds the germans would the presumably pop up and soldier #2 has six shots left while his buddy is reloading.
I may have the precise details off a bit but that was the idea.
Posted by: TexasDan at July 19, 2017 05:44 PM (yL25O)
Actually the M1 en bloc clip feeds downward into the internal magazine.
No risk to thumb if bolt is fully locked back - bolt releases when downward pressure on the follower (under the en bloc of ammo just inserted) is decreased, not when clip is fully inserted.
And very very very skeptical about the idea that the en bloc ejecting after 8 rounds, usually with a distinctive "ping" (from the spring steel the en bloc is made of) was something heard on the battlefield. Or that it could be used, or spoofed by throwing down empties, to time/deter attacks on a position where M1s were being fired. Any actual credible reports of this? Haven't seen any.
They make a nice "ping", but it's hardly audible in a noise environment, and I'm confident most WWII and Korean War environments qualified as "noisy".
Posted by: rhomboid at July 19, 2017 05:45 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: rhomboid at July 19, 2017 05:45 PM (QDnY+)
But when I was playing Call of Duty, you could hear it clear as day!
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 19, 2017 05:47 PM (hcyUh)
I always wondered about that as well but the soldiers used to talk about it back then. I suspect the high tone was different enough than the gunfire and explosions and screams of the dying to stand out, but probably not at any significant ranges. I know from personal experience that some sounds can get through the roar of noise that others may not.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 05:48 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: rhomboid at July 19, 2017 05:48 PM (QDnY+)
It's more of a training and familiarity issue. I had the bolt slam home on my thumb more than once. I was a slow learner at some things.
The 'ping' danger was more of a problem/tactic at shorter range, intermittent firefights. Not all fights are constant shooting, ammo supplies are usually limited.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 05:49 PM (3OIiX)
I hear you. AoSHQ is like a Paris Salon, without the hairy, unwashed armpits (well except for that new Zombie persona) and Gauloises.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 19, 2017 05:50 PM (hyuyC)
How do you guys know this stuff and retain the info?
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 19, 2017 05:50 PM (Ri/rl)
https://tinyurl.com/yco6rsyt
I alert Jeff Sessions so he can start the property seizure process.
Posted by: Under Fire at July 19, 2017 05:51 PM (mcI77)
But my oh my, do they ever love the State putting the Citizenry in their place - when it's done by The Right People.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 19, 2017 04:57 PM (GoNER)
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Republicans elites just seem to die at a greater rate, especially the soldiers.
Posted by: Javems at July 19, 2017 05:52 PM (yOqwj)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 05:35 PM (39g3+)
...
You shove them down into the internal magazine (fixed) from on top.
The bolt releases automatically when you do this, and if you have your thumb in the way, from holding the stripper clip wrong, the bolt tries to help you understand the error of your ways by removing your thumb for you.
Posted by: TexasDan at July 19, 2017 05:52 PM (yL25O)
We're guys. But we are absolutely clueless when it comes to ladies shoes, so you have us there.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 19, 2017 05:52 PM (hyuyC)
The same way you know the difference between pumps and low heels.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 19, 2017 05:52 PM (gIRsn)
Posted by: Max Power at July 19, 2017 05:53 PM (q177U)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 19, 2017 05:53 PM (hyuyC)
Only had a partial slam event once, incredible moment of dumbassery, my own rifle, sitting on the bench, closing down the range for the day - bolt was hung up on the bullet guide, as many of the M1s do generally when you load a clip (and as they'll all do if you carefully set it up deliberately).
Always visually confirm bolt is fully locked back (easy to do). Do that, chances of "M1 thumb" recede to negligible.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 19, 2017 05:53 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 19, 2017 05:54 PM (gIRsn)
The same way you know the difference between pumps and low heels.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 19, 2017 05:52 PM (gIRsn)
Pumps? My Mossberg is a pump action.
Posted by: Under Fire at July 19, 2017 05:54 PM (mcI77)
And if you missed it from this morning, it is National Hot Dog, in which foodies the world over celebrate the Hebrew National as the finest hot dog ever conceived.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at July 19, 2017 05:54 PM (tbOMB)
Posted by: rhomboid at July 19, 2017 05:45 PM (QDnY+)
But when I was playing Call of Duty, you could hear it clear as day!
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 19, 2017 05:47 PM (hcyUh)
On the gun range, you hear the metallic "ping" clear as a bell, even with hearing protection and other people firing. I suppose it's possible you could hear it in a small-scale firefight. Artillery and machine gun fire around you, probably not.
Posted by: Insomniac, Pimp Hand of the Patriarchy at July 19, 2017 05:54 PM (0mRoj)
--------------------------
Everyone has moods.
I had one this morning.
If Ace were to shut down the blog, I don't think I would survive the withdrawal symptoms.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 05:44 PM (m9X4Y)
What's there to be cranky about? Have people been goading Ace again? Don't tease the Ewok...
Posted by: kraken at July 19, 2017 05:54 PM (zSVEm)
How do you guys know this stuff and retain the info?
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 19, 2017 05:50 PM (Ri/rl)
...
We use the parts of the brain you ladies use to remember people's birthdays and discern more than three colors in the universe to store gun facts.
Plus I thought that particular tactic was some pretty awesome American engenuity. I think I read it in an Ambrose book. I'm trusting he didn't make it up.
Posted by: TexasDan at July 19, 2017 05:55 PM (yL25O)
My brain is full of stupid, useless crap like what kind of dice you roll for hit points for a thief in AD&D and the best trail to get to Jefferson Park in the Mt Jefferson Wilderness area, what my ex fiance's favorite song was and how there's graffiti all over the walls at Geno's East in Chicago. Not a lot of useful stuff, really.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 05:56 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Soothsayer --Digitally Remastered at July 19, 2017 05:57 PM (qsz6h)
Posted by: TexasDan at July 19, 2017 05:55 PM (yL25O)
Point taken.
I'm still impressed.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 19, 2017 05:57 PM (Ri/rl)
Posted by: Soothsayer --Digitally Remastered at July 19, 2017 05:57 PM (qsz6h)
They make a nice "ping", but it's hardly audible in a noise environment, and I'm confident most WWII and Korean War environments qualified as "noisy".
Posted by: rhomboid at July 19, 2017 05:45 PM (QDnY+)
I've seen WWII vets tell the story and one grand ejecting a spent clip might make a hardly audible noise but a squad or platoon worth of Garands ejecting spent clips about the same time might be noticable
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 19, 2017 05:57 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: Under Fire at July 19, 2017 05:58 PM (mcI77)
I know make up color palettes, shoes, handbags and 80s pop song lyrics.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 19, 2017 05:58 PM (Ri/rl)
I was rushing things. The rifle is fine if you know it's quirks, like the Garand likes M2 Ball ammo...and pretty much just that. One of my friends bent the op rod of his rifle (same one I was shooting) using some hunting loads.
Too bad, the Garand is my favorite 30-06 rifle. I'd love to hunt with it, but it's been years since I went after whitetails.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 05:58 PM (3OIiX)
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at July 19, 2017 05:59 PM (fCPIQ)
I'm still impressed.
Posted by: CaliGirl
Keepers of odd knowledge.
Try sending us to the grocery store without a list.... hilarity ensues.
Posted by: kraken at July 19, 2017 05:59 PM (zSVEm)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 05:59 PM (3OIiX)
We get trolls in here now and again but we don't need to be shooting at each other.
You're all morons and you're all players and you're all cool
Just my $.02 and glad to be out of that damn barrel
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 05:40 PM (3OIiX)
THIS. I actually respect ScoggDog's and Bandersnatch's hesitance to let law enforcement go wild, even when the leftist creeps deserve it.
On that note: Officer shooting in Minneapolis: Jihadist in hiding, or Affirmative Action Cop who really botched it?
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 19, 2017 05:59 PM (ujg0T)
Vive la difference
I was rushing things.
Yeah like a soldier in a firefight? Rushed like that?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 06:00 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at July 19, 2017 06:00 PM (8iiMU)
They are sorry about that though.
Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2017 06:00 PM (9g/6M)
1313 Mockingbird Lane?
Posted by: Under Fire at July 19, 2017 05:58 PM (mcI77)
Thats Herman and Lily Munsters address
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 19, 2017 06:01 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: Random Lurker Commenter at July 19, 2017 06:01 PM (dab45)
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 19, 2017 06:01 PM (+7/1f)
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 19, 2017 06:01 PM (Ri/rl)
Really? When?
Bless your heart.
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 06:01 PM (MINbv)
Posted by: Yoe Yackson, Yunior at July 19, 2017 06:01 PM (j+dfT)
Posted by: tu3031 at July 19, 2017 06:03 PM (qJhUV)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 19, 2017 06:03 PM (gIRsn)
Well, none of us can be blamed for our hash.
Sending good vibes your way ScoggDog.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 19, 2017 06:04 PM (hyuyC)
Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2017 06:04 PM (9g/6M)
A comparable thing is the need to change barrels on the German MG42 in intense firefights, where they'd get heated up. Did American/British/Canadian/Soviet troops really attempt to "time" MG42 barrel changes?
And moving up to larger things that go boom, interested to read that like the US at the outset of WWII, the Germans had problems with their torpedoes. And some uncanny exact parallels. Problems with both proximity and contact exploders, ordnance guys dismissing the mounting pleas of sub commanders with field experience of the problems. Never knew that.
So ..... torpedo thread?
(and CaliGirl, I loved your comment the other day about checking out a Chula Vista ER and maternity ward to assess the state of US immigration and assimilation practices)
Posted by: rhomboid at July 19, 2017 06:04 PM (QDnY+)
So amend this slightly. You get the full brunt of punishment unless you squeal on others of your cohort to dilute gross punishment. And drive the same bargain to the next guy who gets turned. Don't want to tattle? Congratulations. Meet your new cell mate, Bubba, in Upstate Pound Me In The Ass Correctional Prison. Oh, you'll cooperate, great. Here's a cell with a window and you get library privileges in Downstate Rehabilitation Facility. So lone wolves get gross punishment; groups get netted punishment. Give them a fair choice.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 19, 2017 06:04 PM (H8S+R)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 06:04 PM (39g3+)
Thats Herman and Lily Munsters address
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 19, 2017 06:01 PM (lKyWE)
Yvonne De Carlo was hot.
Posted by: Under Fire at July 19, 2017 06:04 PM (mcI77)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
My brain is 95% useless trivia. Brimming with it.
And most of one's life is spent trying to insist that one's trivia knowledge is MORE IMPORTANT than some other person's trivia knowledge, to justify one's pathetic mental database of irrelevant minutiae. This explains most disagreements and social discord in modern society.
Posted by: zombie's new ACCURATE self-portrait avatar photo (SFW) at July 19, 2017 06:04 PM (DQ4Fv)
Posted by: bergerbilder at July 19, 2017 06:05 PM (lIZQs)
Morning Glory Circle, I forget the number.
Posted by: Soothsayer --Digitally Remastered at July 19, 2017 06:05 PM (qsz6h)
Posted by: Furious George at July 19, 2017 06:06 PM (j+dfT)
I think that's all I've got.
Stretch Cunningham? James Cromwell.
Posted by: tu3031 at July 19, 2017 06:06 PM (qJhUV)
No bad mood here, today I broke 20 shooting Sporting Clays. A personal best.
Normally, SC's teach me humility--until today. I can break 25 shooting normal skeet pretty easy,even shooting 16 and 27 yard trap also.
Posted by: irongrampa at July 19, 2017 06:06 PM (S/hVx)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 06:06 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Soothsayer --Digitally Remastered at July 19, 2017 06:06 PM (qsz6h)
Jeez, someone was tip toe-ing a line when they came up with that name.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 06:06 PM (3OIiX)
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 19, 2017 06:07 PM (DT2/W)
Posted by: wooga at July 19, 2017 06:07 PM (3I7wr)
What precinct was Barney Miller in?
Posted by: Soothsayer --Digitally Remastered at July 19, 2017 06:07 PM (qsz6h)
Posted by: tu3031 at July 19, 2017 06:07 PM (qJhUV)
A comparable thing is the need to change barrels on the German MG42 in intense firefights, where they'd get heated up. Did American/British/Canadian/Soviet troops really attempt to "time" MG42 barrel changes?
Why not ? would there be a better time to charge an MG42 when you're trying to take it out?
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 19, 2017 06:08 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: tu3031 at July 19, 2017 06:08 PM (qJhUV)
Everything mechanical breaks.
I like shooting, I'm not scared, just very cautious.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 19, 2017 06:08 PM (Ri/rl)
Posted by: Soothsayer
Debbie/Bloop.
Duh!
That's not even trivia - -that's basic info everyone must know.
Posted by: zombie's new ACCURATE self-portrait avatar photo (SFW) at July 19, 2017 06:08 PM (DQ4Fv)
Also I love the 5th Element.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 06:08 PM (3OIiX)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 06:08 PM (39g3+)
I know the guy who pestered the brass to take the non-splodey torpedoes seriously was named Momsen, and he also invented a way to get out of drowned subs alive.
That's all I have on torpedoes, but damn them, full speed ahead.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 19, 2017 06:09 PM (gIRsn)
Funny how different people react. I'm allegedly a decent shot (have the medals and such, so there) , but have about zero interest in discussions on firearms.
*shrugs*
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 06:09 PM (MINbv)
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at July 19, 2017 06:09 PM (fCPIQ)
I knew you were a dude.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 19, 2017 06:09 PM (Ri/rl)
Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2017 06:10 PM (9g/6M)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez,they are gaslighting us 24/7 at July 19, 2017 06:10 PM (Mcvvl)
You deserve the death penalty for that new photo.
Posted by: mpfs at July 19, 2017 06:10 PM (79p/O)
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 19, 2017 05:59 PM
embrace the power of "and"
Posted by: AltonJackson at July 19, 2017 06:10 PM (7SUjt)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 06:11 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2017 06:11 PM (9g/6M)
Posted by: kahall at July 19, 2017 06:12 PM (6CnJ7)
I was watching a Documentary on the Korean War and some of the vets said they moved in pairs so that when the Enemy heard the Ping they would pop up and the other shooter had a nice target. I think they were talking about Patrols.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at July 19, 2017 06:12 PM (dKiJG)
All I have about torpedos is Santa Barbara county was attacked at Ellwood by the japs during world war 2. I think they had oil tanks or fuel tanks there.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 19, 2017 06:13 PM (Ri/rl)
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 19, 2017 06:14 PM (DT2/W)
It's my understanding that new-ish brain studies show a clear link between having an emotional experience while learning and the ability to recall the info later.
Ergo a link between emotion and memory.
My theory is now that men and women, to the extent that different kinds of information impact them differently on an emotional level, remember different sorts of things.
Posted by: TexasDan at July 19, 2017 06:16 PM (yL25O)
Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2017 06:17 PM (9g/6M)
Also I love the 5th Element.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 06:08 PM (3OIiX)
I hope it's good. I read it's the biggest Independent movie ever made. No major Studio is involved in the making of it.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at July 19, 2017 06:18 PM (dKiJG)
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at July 19, 2017 06:18 PM (dKiJG)
So does that make it "an independent movie", or just "a major studio's first movie"?
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 19, 2017 06:19 PM (hcyUh)
Posted by: rickl at July 19, 2017 06:19 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2017 06:21 PM (9g/6M)
Well homey ... I ain't no Motel 6 ... but I'll be sure and leave the light on for ya'.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 19, 2017 06:28 PM (fiGNd)
Posted by: You must believe her at July 19, 2017 06:47 PM (NLr+C)
1 - Harsh punishment
2 - Strong likelihood at perpetrators will be caught, and therefore subject to the aforementioned harsh punishment
and 3 - The punishment needs to come relatively swiftly after the infraction
Just wanted to add this bit of info. Solid post otherwise. I subscribe to your newsletter and appreciate the cut of your jib.
Posted by: Small Rivers at July 19, 2017 08:28 PM (KL5Ns)
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