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Trump to Senate: Cancel Your August Recess and Get Obamacare Repeal Done
Yes, they should, but of course they won't.
Repeal makes sense strategically (as well as being the fulfillment of a campaign promise): Once Obamacare is gone (assuming with a 1 or 2 year grace period where it will still be in effect), Democrats will no longer be able to interpose Obamacare as an alternative to any new plan proposed. It will be gone. The choice will not be between Obamacare and some new reform, but between the new reform and nothing at all. Which puts huge pressure on Democrats to play ball. Imagine a finicky cat who won't eat the cat food. Well, take the cat food away for a day and he's going to become a whole lot less finicky about it. You can't beat something with nothing, they say. A corollary to that is this: It's easy to beat nothing with something. Right now the argument is between Obamacare and "Something Else," with a lot of people invested in protecting Obama's legacy. We should make the argument between nothing and Something Else. Easier fight to win, and would give us genuine leverage for our main reforms. However, two Republican liars and charlatans -- Lisa Murvieski and Shelley Capoto -- have announced that they were lying all along and just want Obamacare. They will not agree to any repeal (with details of a new plan to be worked out later) because, I posit, they want the Democrats to always have the leverage of saying #ButObamacare and thereby defeating any alternative to it. Patterico says it's time to put money into primary challengers for both of them, and I agree.
President Trump told GOP senators at the White House on Wednesday that they should cancel their August recess and not leave town until acting to repeal ObamaCare. "We shouldn't leave town until this is complete," he said during a lunch at the White House. "We should hammer this out and get it done." Trump also said that repeal isn't enough, and that Republicans should also replace ObamaCare with new legislation.
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I like to eat paste at recess
Posted by: Joe Biden at July 19, 2017 03:16 PM (FZYNt)
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Time portal reinitiated.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 19, 2017 03:16 PM (H8S+R)
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Wishful thinking.
Posted by: Ever at July 19, 2017 03:16 PM (QZdJj)
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Is it safe?
Posted by: tu3031 at July 19, 2017 03:16 PM (qJhUV)
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Th
Posted by: Mike G. at July 19, 2017 03:17 PM (R5lpX)
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I posit, they want the Democrats to always have the leverage of saying #ButObamacare
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They are counting on their clients, their paying clients, remembering how they vote here while the electorate forgets.
So far it has been a pretty good bet for most GOPers.
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They are counting on their clients, their paying clients, remembering how they vote here while the electorate forgets.
So far it has been a pretty good bet for most GOPers.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 19, 2017 03:17 PM (eSx+E)
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Why does Congress have to replace FFS?
Posted by: Under Fire at July 19, 2017 03:17 PM (mcI77)
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Now to read the content
Posted by: Mike G. at July 19, 2017 03:17 PM (R5lpX)
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 19, 2017 03:17 PM (MduLE)
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Can they permanently go on recess?
Posted by: brak at July 19, 2017 03:17 PM (5iU/N)
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GOPe through the ages
2011: We only have 1/2 of 1/3 of the govt, can't do anything
2015: We only have 2/2 of 1/3 of the govt, can't do anything
2017: We only have 2/2 of 3/3 of the govt, can't do anything
FUCK THEM ALL
2011: We only have 1/2 of 1/3 of the govt, can't do anything
2015: We only have 2/2 of 1/3 of the govt, can't do anything
2017: We only have 2/2 of 3/3 of the govt, can't do anything
FUCK THEM ALL
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 03:17 PM (zgNJq)
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It's amazing I haven't had a stroke by now.
Posted by: Insomniac, Pimp Hand of the Patriarchy at July 19, 2017 03:18 PM (0mRoj)
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It's clear there are some who won't mind losing the majority of it stops Trump
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at July 19, 2017 03:18 PM (6Ll1u)
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Harrumph!
Posted by: Roland THTG at July 19, 2017 03:18 PM (QM5S2)
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Republican Senators to Trump : Drop Dead.
Posted by: Dr Spank at July 19, 2017 03:18 PM (TJCSB)
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Let's do the time warp again!
However, two Republican liars and charlatans -- Lisa Murvieski and Shelley Capoto -
Didn't Capoto vote for the 2015 repeal bill?
You know what? I want this repealed for the sole purpose of reminding everyone that a law which is passed can, you know, BE REPEALED.
There is this insane notion that once something is passed, it can never be revoked. That needs to be slammed down, hard.
However, two Republican liars and charlatans -- Lisa Murvieski and Shelley Capoto -
Didn't Capoto vote for the 2015 repeal bill?
You know what? I want this repealed for the sole purpose of reminding everyone that a law which is passed can, you know, BE REPEALED.
There is this insane notion that once something is passed, it can never be revoked. That needs to be slammed down, hard.
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 03:18 PM (mf5HN)
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Patterico says it's time to put money into primary challengers for both of them, and I agree.
Overruled.
Overruled.
Posted by: Some Hawaiian Prick in a Black Robe at July 19, 2017 03:18 PM (oVJmc)
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If the Rs repeal OCare with a delay, is that a reconciliation vote only needing 50+1? Won't Rand Paul and McCain join this?
If so, does this create an opening for Tax Reform?
If so, does this create an opening for Tax Reform?
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 19, 2017 03:18 PM (+7/1f)
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 19, 2017 03:18 PM (KUaJL)
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Magic 8-ball says: GAAAAAHHHHHH!!!
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 19, 2017 03:19 PM (MduLE)
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A cheerful topic (rubs hands with glee): healthcare and internecine squabbling!!
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In. at July 19, 2017 03:19 PM (CPk08)
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"Primary challenge" is the new euphemism for "pitchforks and torches."
Posted by: zombie at July 19, 2017 03:19 PM (DQ4Fv)
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>>>7 Why does Congress have to replace FFS?
Certain aspects of Obamacare are so popular (some kind of plan made available for the uninsurables, ending pre-existing conditions restrictions) that it is impossible to get rid of them without at least offering something that does *some* of that.
Certain aspects of Obamacare are so popular (some kind of plan made available for the uninsurables, ending pre-existing conditions restrictions) that it is impossible to get rid of them without at least offering something that does *some* of that.
Posted by: ace at July 19, 2017 03:19 PM (8rNrN)
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Reality is that once you give people a bunch of free shit, it's impossible to take it away from them, without suffering politically. As spineless as the GOP is, they understand this.
That being said, they should just bite the bullet and do it. And if the GOP is wiped out next year, so be it. Saving the best health care system in the world is more important than winning a mi-term.
That being said, they should just bite the bullet and do it. And if the GOP is wiped out next year, so be it. Saving the best health care system in the world is more important than winning a mi-term.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 03:19 PM (zgNJq)
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The three Republican witches want to keep PP funding in the repeal. They want babies to die.
Posted by: Under Fire at July 19, 2017 03:19 PM (mcI77)
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Cautiously dips toe in the seemingly real thread.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 19, 2017 03:20 PM (OdK9v)
Posted by: ace at July 19, 2017 03:20 PM (8rNrN)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 03:20 PM (3OIiX)
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The individual states could create their own high-risk pools if the Feds weren't bleeding us dry.
Posted by: Insomniac, Pimp Hand of the Patriarchy at July 19, 2017 03:20 PM (0mRoj)
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It's Capito not Capoto. Not that it matters, but PEDANT!
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 03:20 PM (zgNJq)
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The problem: Health care is too expensive
The wrong solution: Have government get involved and make health care more expensive
The right solution: Scale back government involvement to lower costs.
And fundamentally people have to pay for their own f***ing health care. The government's job is not to give you everything you need, let alone everything you want.
The wrong solution: Have government get involved and make health care more expensive
The right solution: Scale back government involvement to lower costs.
And fundamentally people have to pay for their own f***ing health care. The government's job is not to give you everything you need, let alone everything you want.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 19, 2017 03:20 PM (eSx+E)
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Remember when the NeverTrumpers insisted Trump was a closet leftist? Good times!
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 19, 2017 03:20 PM (ujg0T)
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>>>26 Cautiously dips toe in the seemingly real thread.
heh, sorry about that. I thought I had not posted that last night so I could put it up now. Then I realized that was just an unpublished double-post of something I posted last night.
heh, sorry about that. I thought I had not posted that last night so I could put it up now. Then I realized that was just an unpublished double-post of something I posted last night.
Posted by: ace at July 19, 2017 03:21 PM (8rNrN)
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Is this new nood or old nood?
Posted by: dantesed at July 19, 2017 03:21 PM (88xKn)
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Let Obamacare collapse under its own weight.
Once the GOP repeals Obamacare - no matter what it replaces it with (if anything) - the GOP will get all the blame for anything that every goes wrong in the health care sector.
Once the GOP repeals Obamacare - no matter what it replaces it with (if anything) - the GOP will get all the blame for anything that every goes wrong in the health care sector.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at July 19, 2017 03:21 PM (xN1DB)
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To this instant, I don't understand what the problem is. Why not just repeal it?
Is the problem that the GOP actually believes the fake polls says they will get defeated next election if they repeal Obamacare? is that it?
Because otherwise I just don't understand.
Is the problem that the GOP actually believes the fake polls says they will get defeated next election if they repeal Obamacare? is that it?
Because otherwise I just don't understand.
Posted by: zombie at July 19, 2017 03:21 PM (DQ4Fv)
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Capito's win in WV was smaller than Trump's 42 points over Hillary. He needs to go to WV have a huuuuge rally and let the voters know their Senator hates coal. Because if a dem is president, it is back to closing those mines. And, he needs to fulfill his campaign promises to be reelected.
Posted by: Ever at July 19, 2017 03:21 PM (QZdJj)
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says = saying
Posted by: zombie at July 19, 2017 03:21 PM (DQ4Fv)
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It's a shame about that disappeared thread. All those beautiful comments lost in time, like tears in the rain.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at July 19, 2017 03:21 PM (FUu/Z)
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Is this a hologram, or is it real?
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 03:21 PM (m9X4Y)
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maybe the DOJ should just indict Murcoozski
Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at July 19, 2017 03:22 PM (nFwvY)
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The three Republican witches want to keep PP funding in the repeal. They want babies to die.
Posted by: Under Fire at July 19, 2017 03:19 PM (mcI77)
Except Charlie Gard, because Dunkirk or something.
Posted by: Under Fire at July 19, 2017 03:19 PM (mcI77)
Except Charlie Gard, because Dunkirk or something.
Posted by: Roland THTG at July 19, 2017 03:22 PM (QM5S2)
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Imagine a finicky cat who won't eat the cat food. Well, take the cat food away for a day and he's going to become a whole lot less finicky about it.
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Donks aren't cat brains; they're bird brains.
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Donks aren't cat brains; they're bird brains.
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at July 19, 2017 03:22 PM (Nwg0u)
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I thought I saw a post, but it was a fig newton of my imagination.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 19, 2017 03:22 PM (398bZ)
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Some how this feels like Lucy and the football all over again. Fuck the GOP. Time for a new party. Don't know how or when but it is time.
Posted by: USNtakim at July 19, 2017 03:22 PM (zZWkn)
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There are reasons its called the District of Criminals.
Posted by: colfax mingo at July 19, 2017 03:22 PM (p7pfb)
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#YAYMOARVACATION
Posted by: Hate Has No Homo at July 19, 2017 03:22 PM (JTMqu)
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that it is impossible to get rid of them without at least offering something that does *some* of that.
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I disagree. The FSA is already voting D. They aren't going to vote D twice because you took away some of their free shit.
Well...presuming you keep up the voter fraud investigation.
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I disagree. The FSA is already voting D. They aren't going to vote D twice because you took away some of their free shit.
Well...presuming you keep up the voter fraud investigation.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 19, 2017 03:22 PM (eSx+E)
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19 We can repeal it and replace it with the free market.
There. Easy.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 19, 2017 03:18 PM (KUaJL)
There was a lot of government intervention even before the Obamunist monstrosity. :-(
So--repeal it, let everybody have a nice vacation, and then let real medical insurance reform commence after vacation.
There. Easy.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 19, 2017 03:18 PM (KUaJL)
There was a lot of government intervention even before the Obamunist monstrosity. :-(
So--repeal it, let everybody have a nice vacation, and then let real medical insurance reform commence after vacation.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 19, 2017 03:22 PM (ujg0T)
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Certain aspects of Obamacare are so popular (some kind of plan made available for the uninsurables, ending pre-existing conditions restrictions) that it is impossible to get rid of them without at least offering something that does *some* of that.
Posted by: ace at July 19, 2017 03:19 PM (8rNrN)
Once people are "given" something by the gov't, they WILL NOT give it back. Once you give the gov't anything, you WILL NOT get it back. There's a sort of symmetrical "Fuck You!" to it all, that makes me hate humanity in general, and many many humans in specific.
Posted by: ace at July 19, 2017 03:19 PM (8rNrN)
Once people are "given" something by the gov't, they WILL NOT give it back. Once you give the gov't anything, you WILL NOT get it back. There's a sort of symmetrical "Fuck You!" to it all, that makes me hate humanity in general, and many many humans in specific.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In. at July 19, 2017 03:22 PM (CPk08)
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"Primary challenge" is the new euphemism for "pitchforks and torches."
Posted by: zombie at July 19, 2017 03:19 PM (DQ4Fv)
I'm about ready to upgrade from that euphemism to something more kinetic.
*Takes a breath. Lets it out.*
Posted by: zombie at July 19, 2017 03:19 PM (DQ4Fv)
I'm about ready to upgrade from that euphemism to something more kinetic.
*Takes a breath. Lets it out.*
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 03:22 PM (3OIiX)
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"Let Obamacare collapse under its own weight. "
Yep. You make the other guy eat the shit sandwich.
Yep. You make the other guy eat the shit sandwich.
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 19, 2017 03:23 PM (+7/1f)
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The history of the Murkowskis is a great example of the GOPe.
Posted by: davidt at July 19, 2017 03:23 PM (XoldI)
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Here's a simple proposal....
Let insurance companies price out risk. For example you have a 50 year old man. His base premium is $250/mo. But he's got diabetes so his premium is $350. The insurance company charges $250 to the guy and charges the govt the extra $100.
We get free markets again, and we solve the "pre existing condition" problem.
Let insurance companies price out risk. For example you have a 50 year old man. His base premium is $250/mo. But he's got diabetes so his premium is $350. The insurance company charges $250 to the guy and charges the govt the extra $100.
We get free markets again, and we solve the "pre existing condition" problem.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 03:23 PM (zgNJq)
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a masterbatin pete sighting. everybody was talking about you last night.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 19, 2017 03:23 PM (KP5rU)
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23 >>>7 Why does Congress have to replace FFS?
Certain aspects of Obamacare are so popular (some kind of plan made available for the uninsurables, ending pre-existing conditions restrictions) that it is impossible to get rid of them without at least offering something that does *some* of that.
Posted by: ace
"it is impossible" = ???
What does that mean? "Impossible" how?
Just do it. What will happen? A rip in the fabric of the universe? Transitory "unpopularity" among progressive activists in states not your own?
Certain aspects of Obamacare are so popular (some kind of plan made available for the uninsurables, ending pre-existing conditions restrictions) that it is impossible to get rid of them without at least offering something that does *some* of that.
Posted by: ace
"it is impossible" = ???
What does that mean? "Impossible" how?
Just do it. What will happen? A rip in the fabric of the universe? Transitory "unpopularity" among progressive activists in states not your own?
Posted by: zombie at July 19, 2017 03:23 PM (DQ4Fv)
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To me it looks like 3 Republican Senators are really stopping a repeal.
Murkowski
Collins
Capito
Had Republicans won a few more close contests in the last election, it maybe could have had a clean repeal with some sort of wind down. But that might be what they just want you to think.
Again, Trump does share quite a bit of blame as well. Right after the election he listed all the things that would remain that basically make ObamaCare unworkable, like preexisting conditions.
Murkowski
Collins
Capito
Had Republicans won a few more close contests in the last election, it maybe could have had a clean repeal with some sort of wind down. But that might be what they just want you to think.
Again, Trump does share quite a bit of blame as well. Right after the election he listed all the things that would remain that basically make ObamaCare unworkable, like preexisting conditions.
Posted by: Maritime at July 19, 2017 03:23 PM (mYJIs)
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"Gentlemen, we have to protect our phoney baloney jobs. Harrumph. Harrumph."
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 03:23 PM (3OIiX)
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Is the problem that the GOP actually believes the fake polls says they will get defeated next election if they repeal Obamacare? is that it?
***
There are no wealthy clients looking to give payola to Republican Senators for getting government out of health care.
Is the problem that the GOP actually believes the fake polls says they will get defeated next election if they repeal Obamacare? is that it?
***
There are no wealthy clients looking to give payola to Republican Senators for getting government out of health care.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 19, 2017 03:23 PM (eSx+E)
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The post upon my AOSHQ's a snail, that's what it is.
The post upon my AOSHQ's a snail, that's what it is.
First there is a nood thread, then there is no nood thread, then there is.
The post upon my AOSHQ's a snail, that's what it is.
First there is a nood thread, then there is no nood thread, then there is.
Posted by: Donovan at July 19, 2017 03:24 PM (eXSOZ)
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Ace keenly honing his Deja Fu
Posted by: Mega at July 19, 2017 03:24 PM (ILZ2M)
Posted by: blaster at July 19, 2017 03:24 PM (lALnC)
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41 maybe the DOJ should just indict Murcoozski
Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at July 19, 2017 03:22 PM (nFwvY)
and grab all of her property.
Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at July 19, 2017 03:22 PM (nFwvY)
and grab all of her property.
Posted by: Under Fire at July 19, 2017 03:24 PM (mcI77)
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>>Right now the argument is between Obamacare and "Something Else," with a lot of people invested in protecting Obama's legacy.
We should make the argument between nothing and Something Else.
Excellent point.
I am also sick to death of the historical revisionism where they all pretend that prior to Obamacare there were no solutions/methods to handle things like "pre-existing conditions." Obamacare has existed for fewer than 8 years, and there was a wide variety of market options available prior to that. The may not have been perfect, but there were options that could be used as a starting point for something new.
We didn't go from Nothing--->Obamacare in 2010.
We should make the argument between nothing and Something Else.
Excellent point.
I am also sick to death of the historical revisionism where they all pretend that prior to Obamacare there were no solutions/methods to handle things like "pre-existing conditions." Obamacare has existed for fewer than 8 years, and there was a wide variety of market options available prior to that. The may not have been perfect, but there were options that could be used as a starting point for something new.
We didn't go from Nothing--->Obamacare in 2010.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 19, 2017 03:24 PM (NOIQH)
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I don't have a problem with (mainly because it's ultimately unavoidable) the concept of some sort of safety net.
The problem is, if you're caught under it and you can't move, it's not a "safety" net.
Also, we're effing broke.
Also, effing repeal the damned thing.
Also, stop trying to fix it, because every time you touch it you break something.
The problem is, if you're caught under it and you can't move, it's not a "safety" net.
Also, we're effing broke.
Also, effing repeal the damned thing.
Also, stop trying to fix it, because every time you touch it you break something.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 03:25 PM (wB8Tg)
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a masterbatin pete sighting. everybody was talking about you last night.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 19, 2017 03:23 PM (KP5rU)
Especially Confucius and the Banana Splits guy...
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 19, 2017 03:23 PM (KP5rU)
Especially Confucius and the Banana Splits guy...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 03:25 PM (3OIiX)
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Force the clean repeal vote now. Get them on record. Now.
The point is to have a record of disingenuous backtrackers and enough time for a primary challenger to step in with a legitimate campaign against an incumbent. Delay in the vote makes it more difficult to recruit and support new legislators.
Now, if the GOP does this, we might appreciate that they (as a Party) believe in their rhetoric some of the time. However, if they don't pursue timely resolution, then we'll further cement them as Uniparty toadies. In which case, look forward to Speakers Pelosi and Schumer.
The point is to have a record of disingenuous backtrackers and enough time for a primary challenger to step in with a legitimate campaign against an incumbent. Delay in the vote makes it more difficult to recruit and support new legislators.
Now, if the GOP does this, we might appreciate that they (as a Party) believe in their rhetoric some of the time. However, if they don't pursue timely resolution, then we'll further cement them as Uniparty toadies. In which case, look forward to Speakers Pelosi and Schumer.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 19, 2017 03:25 PM (H8S+R)
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murkowski, isn't she the cocaine abuser? maybe time for a cell.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 19, 2017 03:25 PM (KP5rU)
Posted by: Sporkatus at July 19, 2017 03:25 PM (eXSOZ)
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A-a-a-a-and, now you see why the GOPe fought so hard to keep Murky and undercut Palin.
This is a great shell-game the GOPe can play.
Murky and Caputa won't vote for repeal since the don't face the voters in 2018.
Then when their turns come up...Well! What do you know?
They can vote for repeal of Obamacare. They've had a change of heart! And, in fact, do vote for Obamacare.
But, two (or however many) GOPe-types who aren't facing the voters and voted for repeal of Obamacare, suddenly find they can't vote repeal after all.
Repeal never happens.
Rinse, repeat with Obamacare or border security or whatever.
Murky and Caputa don't represent their voters, they represent whoever gives them the most money.
This is a great shell-game the GOPe can play.
Murky and Caputa won't vote for repeal since the don't face the voters in 2018.
Then when their turns come up...Well! What do you know?
They can vote for repeal of Obamacare. They've had a change of heart! And, in fact, do vote for Obamacare.
But, two (or however many) GOPe-types who aren't facing the voters and voted for repeal of Obamacare, suddenly find they can't vote repeal after all.
Repeal never happens.
Rinse, repeat with Obamacare or border security or whatever.
Murky and Caputa don't represent their voters, they represent whoever gives them the most money.
Posted by: naturalfake at July 19, 2017 03:25 PM (NyJwR)
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Which puts huge pressure on Democrats to play ball.
Nope. Makes the democrats dig in their heels and obstruct all the more.
August in D.C. Turn off the AC and call it global warming, then make everyone work on a solution. Honorable men would struggle through the oppressive conditions to find the best possible solution for the good of the country.
We don't have honorable men in D.C. Instead, they would, out of spite, create the biggest bollox'd up mess they could just to sabotage everything.
Nope. Makes the democrats dig in their heels and obstruct all the more.
August in D.C. Turn off the AC and call it global warming, then make everyone work on a solution. Honorable men would struggle through the oppressive conditions to find the best possible solution for the good of the country.
We don't have honorable men in D.C. Instead, they would, out of spite, create the biggest bollox'd up mess they could just to sabotage everything.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 03:25 PM (m9X4Y)
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20 Magic 8-ball says: GAAAAAHHHHHH!!!
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 19, 2017 03:19 PM (MduLE)
I'm sure this already exists as a thing, but I want a Magic 8-ball that says things like:
"Ow!"
"Stop shaking me, you asshole!"
"That hurt!"
"What's your problem, buddy?"
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 19, 2017 03:19 PM (MduLE)
I'm sure this already exists as a thing, but I want a Magic 8-ball that says things like:
"Ow!"
"Stop shaking me, you asshole!"
"That hurt!"
"What's your problem, buddy?"
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 19, 2017 03:25 PM (hcyUh)
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Just do it. What will happen? A rip in the fabric of the universe? Transitory "unpopularity" among progressive activists in states not your own?
Posted by: zombie
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What would happen? People that would never vote Republican in a million years would continue to not vote Republican in the next election. And we can't have that.
But let's talk more about some sort of Amnesty deal so we can get these illegals registered as Democrats and voting ASAP
Posted by: zombie
_____
What would happen? People that would never vote Republican in a million years would continue to not vote Republican in the next election. And we can't have that.
But let's talk more about some sort of Amnesty deal so we can get these illegals registered as Democrats and voting ASAP
Posted by: Maritime at July 19, 2017 03:25 PM (mYJIs)
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"it is impossible" = ???
What does that mean? "Impossible" how?
Just do it. What will happen? A rip in the fabric of the universe? Transitory "unpopularity" among progressive activists in states not your own?
Posted by: zombie at July 19, 2017 03:23 PM (DQ4Fv
Conventional wisdom sez: all othe things beng equal, "taking stuff" from widows and orphans is bad electoral strategy. It is generally true, I think, in blue states and urban areas.
What does that mean? "Impossible" how?
Just do it. What will happen? A rip in the fabric of the universe? Transitory "unpopularity" among progressive activists in states not your own?
Posted by: zombie at July 19, 2017 03:23 PM (DQ4Fv
Conventional wisdom sez: all othe things beng equal, "taking stuff" from widows and orphans is bad electoral strategy. It is generally true, I think, in blue states and urban areas.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In. at July 19, 2017 03:25 PM (CPk08)
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As disgusted as I am with the GOP, Trump isn't blameless here. He's done next to nothing to push for this, other than a few tweets here and there.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 03:25 PM (zgNJq)
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Every Republican running in 2018 must take a stand on repeal.
Posted by: Dr Spank at July 19, 2017 03:26 PM (TJCSB)
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I am also sick to death of the historical revisionism where they all
pretend that prior to Obamacare there were no solutions/methods to
handle things l
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Remember, Obama was running around claiming Obamacare was going to reduce middle America's insurance costs by 3000%.
It was *never* sold as being about extending coverage to those without - it was explicitly sold as reducing costs for the middle class...which it did not do.
pretend that prior to Obamacare there were no solutions/methods to
handle things l
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Remember, Obama was running around claiming Obamacare was going to reduce middle America's insurance costs by 3000%.
It was *never* sold as being about extending coverage to those without - it was explicitly sold as reducing costs for the middle class...which it did not do.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 19, 2017 03:26 PM (eSx+E)
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>>Weak sisters.
There, I said it.
They are an embarrassment. Did they just align with the GOP because there was less competition?
There, I said it.
They are an embarrassment. Did they just align with the GOP because there was less competition?
Posted by: Lizzy at July 19, 2017 03:26 PM (NOIQH)
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So very disappointed Ace's time machine doesn't exist. I had a whole bag of rubbers and birth control pills to take to Hillary's and Barry's mothers.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 19, 2017 03:26 PM (PY9jH)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 19, 2017 03:26 PM (J+eG2)
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Didn't Capoto vote for the 2015 repeal bill?
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You put your right foot in
You take your right foot out
You put your right foot in
And you shake it all about
You do the hokey pokey
And you turn yourself around
That's what it's all snout
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You put your right foot in
You take your right foot out
You put your right foot in
And you shake it all about
You do the hokey pokey
And you turn yourself around
That's what it's all snout
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at July 19, 2017 03:26 PM (Nwg0u)
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"I watched a snail crawl along the edge of a straight razor. This is my dream; this is my nightmare. Crawling, slithering, along the edge of a straight razor, and surviving."
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 03:27 PM (3OIiX)
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Force the clean repeal vote now. Get them on record. Now.
Posted by
: AnonymousDrivel
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They already have
Collins, Murkowski, and Capito all voted no.
2 of these states aren't even in contention for Democrats. Alaska and West Virginia
All female Senators, all pro-choice.
Posted by
: AnonymousDrivel
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They already have
Collins, Murkowski, and Capito all voted no.
2 of these states aren't even in contention for Democrats. Alaska and West Virginia
All female Senators, all pro-choice.
Posted by: Maritime at July 19, 2017 03:27 PM (mYJIs)
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Can you imagine what the (D)s are going to learn from this when they win the Senate and House back by being completely batsh*t crazy and openly encouraging murdering people who disagree with them politically.
Think of how the (D)s are going to legislate once they win because (R) voters have washed their hands and given up.
Think of how the (D)s are going to legislate once they win because (R) voters have washed their hands and given up.
Posted by: Hate Has No Homo at July 19, 2017 03:27 PM (JTMqu)
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Of course it's women who want to keep Obamacare.
Even big important girls who are Senators and Stuff want that Big Daddy to take care of them wittle lives.
Even big important girls who are Senators and Stuff want that Big Daddy to take care of them wittle lives.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 19, 2017 03:27 PM (4ErVI)
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Patterico is a #NeverTrump soft-bottom buffoon and should never be referenced no matter what.
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 19, 2017 03:27 PM (jjaLl)
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Imagine a finicky cat who won't eat the cat food. Well, take the cat food away for a day and he's going to become a whole lot less finicky about it. -
Or the cat will decided to kill you
Imagine a finicky cat who won't eat the cat food. Well, take the cat food away for a day and he's going to become a whole lot less finicky about it. -
Or the cat will decided to kill you
Posted by: Pepe Shortstocking at July 19, 2017 03:27 PM (lKyWE)
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From sean_spicier parody twitter
"Give us the House"
"Give us the Senate"
"Give us the WH"
"Give us SCOTUS"
What's next?
https://twitter.com/sean_spicier/status/887372818761097218
"Give us the House"
"Give us the Senate"
"Give us the WH"
"Give us SCOTUS"
What's next?
https://twitter.com/sean_spicier/status/887372818761097218
Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 19, 2017 03:27 PM (r5KeJ)
89
Time portal reinitiated.
I was in another world. One with cowboys and... m-midgets. A man with a golden eyeball...
I was in another world. One with cowboys and... m-midgets. A man with a golden eyeball...
Posted by: Frontier Psychiatrist at July 19, 2017 03:27 PM (eXSOZ)
Posted by: Harun at July 19, 2017 03:27 PM (UBBWX)
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75 As disgusted as I am with the GOP, Trump isn't blameless here. He's done next to nothing to push for this, other than a few tweets here and there.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 03:25 PM (zgNJq)
However, his tweets now are telling the GOPee to get some backbone.
I still put the blame on certain congresscritters in particular (no, not Yertle and Ryno, although they are next in line for blame and have not helped). Power of the Purse and all that.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 03:25 PM (zgNJq)
However, his tweets now are telling the GOPee to get some backbone.
I still put the blame on certain congresscritters in particular (no, not Yertle and Ryno, although they are next in line for blame and have not helped). Power of the Purse and all that.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 19, 2017 03:28 PM (ujg0T)
92
Hayek on point:
"Democratic assemblies cannot function as planning agencies. They cannot produce agreement on everything - the whole direction of the resources of the nation. The number of possible courses of action will be legion. Even if a congress could, by proceeding step by step and compromising at each point, agree on some scheme, it would certainly in the end satisfy nobody."
"Democratic assemblies cannot function as planning agencies. They cannot produce agreement on everything - the whole direction of the resources of the nation. The number of possible courses of action will be legion. Even if a congress could, by proceeding step by step and compromising at each point, agree on some scheme, it would certainly in the end satisfy nobody."
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 19, 2017 03:28 PM (+7/1f)
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89 Time portal reinitiated.
I was in another world. One with cowboys and... m-midgets. A man with a golden eyeball...
Posted by: Frontier Psychiatrist at July 19, 2017 03:27 PM (eXSOZ)
Merely psychosomatic.
That boy needs therapy!
I was in another world. One with cowboys and... m-midgets. A man with a golden eyeball...
Posted by: Frontier Psychiatrist at July 19, 2017 03:27 PM (eXSOZ)
Merely psychosomatic.
That boy needs therapy!
Posted by: Insomniac, Pimp Hand of the Patriarchy at July 19, 2017 03:28 PM (0mRoj)
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You'll see other R's bail on full repeal until their lucre level has been met.
Posted by: Under Fire at July 19, 2017 03:28 PM (mcI77)
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There is this insane notion that once something is passed, it can never be revoked. That needs to be slammed down, hard.
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017
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The notion must be fairly new. We somehow got rid of Prohibition, and that took a Constitutional amendment!
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017
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The notion must be fairly new. We somehow got rid of Prohibition, and that took a Constitutional amendment!
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 19, 2017 03:28 PM (zpYxD)
Posted by: The Turtle at July 19, 2017 03:28 PM (oVJmc)
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Ace keenly honing his Deja Fu
He's been studying with the Men in Saffron?
He's been studying with the Men in Saffron?
Posted by: Sporkatus at July 19, 2017 03:28 PM (eXSOZ)
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Of course a repeal 2 years away will be like medicaid cuts 2 years out. It'll never happen. They'll move the date back forever.
Worth noting, these asswipes won't even vote to move the bill forward. They're that scared they don't even want to see it hit the floor.
Worth noting, these asswipes won't even vote to move the bill forward. They're that scared they don't even want to see it hit the floor.
Posted by: Tsrblke at July 19, 2017 03:28 PM (dzmBR)
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We don't have honorable men in D.C. Instead, they would, out of spite, create the biggest bollox'd up mess they could just to sabotage everything
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This too is the story of John McCain
We don't have honorable men in D.C. Instead, they would, out of spite, create the biggest bollox'd up mess they could just to sabotage everything
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This too is the story of John McCain
Posted by: simplemind at July 19, 2017 03:29 PM (JYRXq)
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Even big important girls who are Senators and Stuff want that Big Daddy to take care of them wittle lives.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 19, 2017 03:27 PM (4ErVI)
The "Gender Gap" succinctly explained.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 19, 2017 03:27 PM (4ErVI)
The "Gender Gap" succinctly explained.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 19, 2017 03:29 PM (ujg0T)
101
I'll be erupting shortly to keep John from voting.
Posted by: John McCain's anal fissure at July 19, 2017 03:29 PM (TDJsa)
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75 As disgusted as I am with the GOP, Trump isn't blameless here. He's done next to nothing to push for this, other than a few tweets here and there.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 03:25 PM (zgNJq)
I believe it looks that way because, frankly, we're not the ones he needs to convince. His very existence as president is all the mandate he needs to shut down the Obamanation.
So instead of bringing it up in speeches and rallies and social media, he's hammering away at the swamp-creatures behind the scenes. Or at least I like to think he is.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 03:25 PM (zgNJq)
I believe it looks that way because, frankly, we're not the ones he needs to convince. His very existence as president is all the mandate he needs to shut down the Obamanation.
So instead of bringing it up in speeches and rallies and social media, he's hammering away at the swamp-creatures behind the scenes. Or at least I like to think he is.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 19, 2017 03:29 PM (hcyUh)
103
Hayek on point:
"Democratic assemblies cannot function as planning agencies. They cannot produce agreement on everything - the whole direction of the resources of the nation. The number of possible courses of action will be legion. Even if a congress could, by proceeding step by step and compromising at each point, agree on some scheme, it would certainly in the end satisfy nobody."
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 19, 2017 03:28 PM (+7/1f)
Her political acuity is pretty sharp, but really her cleavage is her best asset.
"Democratic assemblies cannot function as planning agencies. They cannot produce agreement on everything - the whole direction of the resources of the nation. The number of possible courses of action will be legion. Even if a congress could, by proceeding step by step and compromising at each point, agree on some scheme, it would certainly in the end satisfy nobody."
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 19, 2017 03:28 PM (+7/1f)
Her political acuity is pretty sharp, but really her cleavage is her best asset.
Posted by: blaster at July 19, 2017 03:29 PM (lALnC)
Posted by: Willem Defoe from Boondocks Saints at July 19, 2017 03:29 PM (3I7wr)
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Wasn't it Collins (R-ME) the vote that allowed OCare to get out of committee, when she could have voted NO and killed it in the crib.
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 19, 2017 03:29 PM (+7/1f)
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Her political acuity is pretty sharp, but really her cleavage is her best asset.
Posted by: blaster at July 19, 2017 03:29 PM (lALnC)
Hayek's economic theories are firm. Very firm.
Posted by: blaster at July 19, 2017 03:29 PM (lALnC)
Hayek's economic theories are firm. Very firm.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 19, 2017 03:30 PM (KUaJL)
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>>It was *never* sold as being about extending coverage to those without -
it was explicitly sold as reducing costs for the middle class...which
it did not do.
Yes, it was sold as extending coverage to the nebulous 50 million people without coverage *and* would also magically reduce costs for everyone else.
They used pre-existing coverage as a big selling point. Now it seems MSM/congressmen are saying you can't touch pre-existing condition coverage (which then means you have to have mandate, right?).
Thought there used to be a pool that was used for this, but it's all blurry...
it was explicitly sold as reducing costs for the middle class...which
it did not do.
Yes, it was sold as extending coverage to the nebulous 50 million people without coverage *and* would also magically reduce costs for everyone else.
They used pre-existing coverage as a big selling point. Now it seems MSM/congressmen are saying you can't touch pre-existing condition coverage (which then means you have to have mandate, right?).
Thought there used to be a pool that was used for this, but it's all blurry...
Posted by: Lizzy at July 19, 2017 03:30 PM (NOIQH)
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33 >>>26 Cautiously dips toe in the seemingly real thread.
heh, sorry about that. I thought I had not posted that last night so I could put it up now. Then I realized that was just an unpublished double-post of something I posted last night.
Posted by: ace at July 19, 2017 03:21 PM
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Ace, your REposts are better than a lot of Interwebbers' NEW posts. Keep doing what you're doing.
heh, sorry about that. I thought I had not posted that last night so I could put it up now. Then I realized that was just an unpublished double-post of something I posted last night.
Posted by: ace at July 19, 2017 03:21 PM
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Ace, your REposts are better than a lot of Interwebbers' NEW posts. Keep doing what you're doing.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 19, 2017 03:30 PM (zpYxD)
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105 Wasn't it Collins (R-ME) the vote that allowed OCare to get out of committee, when she could have voted NO and killed it in the crib.
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 19, 2017 03:29 PM (+7/1f)
That was the other cunt from Maine, Olympia Snowe.
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 19, 2017 03:29 PM (+7/1f)
That was the other cunt from Maine, Olympia Snowe.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 03:30 PM (zgNJq)
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Those bastards in the Senate would be all over this Obamacare clusterf*ck if they didn't have the best health care our tax paying dollars can provide them.
Make them find and purchase their own damned insurance.
#$%*
Make them find and purchase their own damned insurance.
#$%*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 19, 2017 03:30 PM (PY9jH)
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You can't kill socialist welfare programs, the Democrats, their mouthpiece the MSM and the Accounting office which skews it the Leftist talking points will not let you. I say It has never been done until someone tells me what program giveaway has.
Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2017 03:31 PM (9g/6M)
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>>Wasn't it Collins (R-ME) the vote that allowed OCare to get out of
committee, when she could have voted NO and killed it in the crib.
It was Olympia Snow.
committee, when she could have voted NO and killed it in the crib.
It was Olympia Snow.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 19, 2017 03:31 PM (NOIQH)
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The choice will not be between Obamacare and some new reform, but between the new reform and nothing at all.
Which puts huge pressure on Democrats to play ball.
Kinda. They'll pull out their wubbie at every single session: bring ACA back! That's all they'll offer, aside from screaming at how billions are dying each second the GOP congress doesn't bring it back.
But total repeal does put the pressure on the Republicans to actually do something besides waffle.
Which puts huge pressure on Democrats to play ball.
Kinda. They'll pull out their wubbie at every single session: bring ACA back! That's all they'll offer, aside from screaming at how billions are dying each second the GOP congress doesn't bring it back.
But total repeal does put the pressure on the Republicans to actually do something besides waffle.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 03:32 PM (39g3+)
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Also, we're effing broke.
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Was talking with a LIV friend about this. She was going on about how the government should pay for everyone's health care by something like Obamacare.
I changed the topic a bit and asked her how she planned on paying back the $20T we owe. She wasn't away that we owe $20T (most of it under Obama) and that is more than America's economy generates in a year. Anyway, I pressed her on this point, and finally she got to "I guess the government is going to have to cut spending somewhere".
I then followed up with, ok, Obamacare costs $100B-$150B a year, and people with health insurance more then that. The government already can't figure out how to balance the budget without Obamacare. Where are *you* going to find that money.
I think I might have actually gotten through to her as she's a LIV, not a liberal.
Also, we're effing broke.
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Was talking with a LIV friend about this. She was going on about how the government should pay for everyone's health care by something like Obamacare.
I changed the topic a bit and asked her how she planned on paying back the $20T we owe. She wasn't away that we owe $20T (most of it under Obama) and that is more than America's economy generates in a year. Anyway, I pressed her on this point, and finally she got to "I guess the government is going to have to cut spending somewhere".
I then followed up with, ok, Obamacare costs $100B-$150B a year, and people with health insurance more then that. The government already can't figure out how to balance the budget without Obamacare. Where are *you* going to find that money.
I think I might have actually gotten through to her as she's a LIV, not a liberal.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 19, 2017 03:32 PM (eSx+E)
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heh, sorry about that. I thought I had not posted that last night so I could put it up now. Then I realized that was just an unpublished double-post of something I posted last night.
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Let everything old be new again.
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Let everything old be new again.
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at July 19, 2017 03:32 PM (Nwg0u)
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susan collins is one botox injection removed from nancy pelosi territory. soon, she will be shitting and pissing herself and screaming at nixon to fix everything. way to go maine! maybe we could send you tammy baldwin to replace bernie when he throws a seven. the stupid would bury you forever. and, fuck kennebunkport. stupid name for a place full of reptilians anyway.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 19, 2017 03:32 PM (KP5rU)
117
"Washington. Shit. I'm still only in Washington. Every time I think I'm going to wake up, back in my District."
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 03:32 PM (3OIiX)
118
Perhaps Trump should do what one President did (Truman?) and just cancel the time off anyway. I mean, uniparty doesn't like him anyway.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 19, 2017 03:32 PM (iVOAv)
119
So, I'm a little confused who pulls the most weight with these Republican fucks. Is it Big Insurance, Big Pharma, Big Vag, or Big Penis?
Posted by: Under Fire at July 19, 2017 03:32 PM (mcI77)
120
Patterico says it's time to put money into primary challengers for both of them, and I agree.
"Clearly we must crush these upstarts who are daring to challenge one of our own in the chamber"
-GOPe senators
"Clearly we must crush these upstarts who are daring to challenge one of our own in the chamber"
-GOPe senators
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 03:33 PM (39g3+)
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Murkowski, Portman, Heller, Capito, Collins, Moran, Lee and Paul should be forced to stay in a locked room, with bread and water and army cots, until they all agree on something. They can make a movie about it, called 12 Angry Politicians.
Also, the Democrats do have a plan. It's called Single Payer. Ocare was designed to fail as a stepping stone to single payer.
Also, the Democrats do have a plan. It's called Single Payer. Ocare was designed to fail as a stepping stone to single payer.
Posted by: mercenary13 at July 19, 2017 03:33 PM (51nw3)
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119 So, I'm a little confused who pulls the most weight with these Republican fucks. Is it Big Insurance, Big Pharma, Big Vag, or Big Penis?
Posted by: Under Fire at July 19, 2017 03:32 PM (mcI77)
Big media. 8(
Posted by: Under Fire at July 19, 2017 03:32 PM (mcI77)
Big media. 8(
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 19, 2017 03:33 PM (ujg0T)
Posted by: davidt at July 19, 2017 03:33 PM (XoldI)
124
The pre-existing condition issue is dead. That isn't going away. Ever. We have to accept it. So given that reality, what is the best way forward?
I think the least worst option is to have govt pay the pre-existing condition premium. This allows a functioning health insurance market without people getting fucked for having been sick in the past. You'd think in 7 years someone at GOPe HQ would have thought of this option.
I think the least worst option is to have govt pay the pre-existing condition premium. This allows a functioning health insurance market without people getting fucked for having been sick in the past. You'd think in 7 years someone at GOPe HQ would have thought of this option.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 03:33 PM (zgNJq)
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Rush yesterday pointed out this whole pre conditions crap is only the smallest percentage yet its the major talking point of the Left. He was saying its like calling the insurance company to sign on for house insurance after you have already called 911 to report a fire in your house.
Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2017 03:33 PM (9g/6M)
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Tax cuts! Tax cuts!! Tax cuts!!!
Posted by: Javems at July 19, 2017 03:34 PM (yOqwj)
127
I saw Big Vag open for the Reptilians at the Whiskey back in '78
Posted by: Rick in SK at July 19, 2017 03:34 PM (FZYNt)
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It's Capito not Capoto. Not that it matters, but PEDANT!
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 03:20 PM (zgNJq)
She has the C and the T, just needs the U and the N FTW.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 03:20 PM (zgNJq)
She has the C and the T, just needs the U and the N FTW.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 19, 2017 03:34 PM (XUcIQ)
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Sorry, taxpayers. We know you are sad that you won't be able to contribute to your kids' college funds or take them on vacations, but there were one hundred and seven thousand people out of the 300M in the entire United States with pre-existing conditions who needed your insurance premiums and deductibles to double or triple.
107,000.
Roughly the population of Fargo, North Dakota.
107,000.
Roughly the population of Fargo, North Dakota.
Posted by: Hate Has No Homo at July 19, 2017 03:34 PM (JTMqu)
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75 As disgusted as I am with the GOP, Trump isn't blameless here. He's done next to nothing to push for this, other than a few tweets here and there.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 03:25 PM (zgNJq)
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Did you read that lame piece about how Trump was to blame. In between the parts where they were blaming him for not saying anything, they were blaming him for saying the wrong things.
Come on, dimwits, you aren't really going to try to argue both of those things at the same tine are you? Pick one or the other.
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/342650-
tensions-reach-new-high-between-trump-gop
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 03:25 PM (zgNJq)
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Did you read that lame piece about how Trump was to blame. In between the parts where they were blaming him for not saying anything, they were blaming him for saying the wrong things.
Come on, dimwits, you aren't really going to try to argue both of those things at the same tine are you? Pick one or the other.
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/342650-
tensions-reach-new-high-between-trump-gop
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at July 19, 2017 03:34 PM (FUu/Z)
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Also, the Democrats do have a plan. It's called Single Payer. Ocare was designed to fail as a stepping stone to "single payer".
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Also known as NHS
See Charlie Gard
See also Death Panels
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Also known as NHS
See Charlie Gard
See also Death Panels
Posted by: simplemind at July 19, 2017 03:34 PM (TOr7B)
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as someone who doesn't use tobacco, drugs, or alcohol and isn't a fatty, hypochondriac, or bugchaser, pooling my healthcare expenses with those who do and are, without any type of actuarial adjustment to premiums, is a rotten deal. even moreso when they can wait til problems arise to start paying premiums. but I'm the asshole for noticing this.
Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at July 19, 2017 03:34 PM (nFwvY)
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I think I might have actually gotten through to her as she's a LIV, not a liberal.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 19, 2017 03:32 PM (eSx+E)
Yeah good luck with that. Odds are she'll just whipsaw back after the next whinging lefty tirade.
That's my experience about 90% of the time over 20 years or so I futilely tried to get people to see past their eyelashes.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 19, 2017 03:32 PM (eSx+E)
Yeah good luck with that. Odds are she'll just whipsaw back after the next whinging lefty tirade.
That's my experience about 90% of the time over 20 years or so I futilely tried to get people to see past their eyelashes.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 03:35 PM (wB8Tg)
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Off topic: Matt Drudge has quite an obsession with "sex robots"
Posted by: Knee Jerk at July 19, 2017 03:35 PM (EaVUS)
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He's done next to nothing to push for this, other than a few tweets here and there.
I honestly don't think President Trump gives a crap one way or another about health insurance reform, he just wants a win and to move on. So whatever they do, that's going to be what he declares the best ever hyuuge win, gold plated, world-class. Right now he's leaning toward repeal I think because it annoys his enemies the most and puts a thumb in Obama's eye.
I honestly don't think President Trump gives a crap one way or another about health insurance reform, he just wants a win and to move on. So whatever they do, that's going to be what he declares the best ever hyuuge win, gold plated, world-class. Right now he's leaning toward repeal I think because it annoys his enemies the most and puts a thumb in Obama's eye.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 03:35 PM (39g3+)
136
Is there a more useless piece of skin than a multi-term senator?
Posted by: Fritz at July 19, 2017 03:35 PM (2Mnv1)
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124 The pre-existing condition issue is dead. That isn't going away. Ever. We have to accept it. So given that reality, what is the best way forward?
I think the least worst option is to have govt pay the pre-existing condition premium. This allows a functioning health insurance market without people getting fucked for having been sick in the past. You'd think in 7 years someone at GOPe HQ would have thought of this option.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 03:33 PM (zgNJq)
In the status quo ante, MediCaid (or your state's name for it here) had "high-risk pools" for just such situations. Or at least Cali did. I was/am there, I saw/see it.
I think the least worst option is to have govt pay the pre-existing condition premium. This allows a functioning health insurance market without people getting fucked for having been sick in the past. You'd think in 7 years someone at GOPe HQ would have thought of this option.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 03:33 PM (zgNJq)
In the status quo ante, MediCaid (or your state's name for it here) had "high-risk pools" for just such situations. Or at least Cali did. I was/am there, I saw/see it.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 19, 2017 03:35 PM (ujg0T)
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i forgot bernie is from vermont. same difference. vermont, maine, same bunch of moose humpers.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 19, 2017 03:36 PM (KP5rU)
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Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at July 19, 2017 03:34 PM (nFwvY)
What's a bug chaser?
What's a bug chaser?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 19, 2017 03:36 PM (iVOAv)
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130 75 As disgusted as I am with the GOP, Trump isn't blameless here. He's done next to nothing to push for this, other than a few tweets here and there.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 03:25 PM (zgNJq)
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Did you read that lame piece about how Trump was to blame. In between the parts where they were blaming him for not saying anything, they were blaming him for saying the wrong things.
Come on, dimwits, you aren't really going to try to argue both of those things at the same tine are you? Pick one or the other.
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/342650-
tensions-reach-new-high-between-trump-gop
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at July 19, 2017 03:34 PM (FUu/Z)
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I don't really give a fuck what any article says. I'm telling you what I think. He hasn't done jack shit to move this.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 03:25 PM (zgNJq)
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Did you read that lame piece about how Trump was to blame. In between the parts where they were blaming him for not saying anything, they were blaming him for saying the wrong things.
Come on, dimwits, you aren't really going to try to argue both of those things at the same tine are you? Pick one or the other.
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/342650-
tensions-reach-new-high-between-trump-gop
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at July 19, 2017 03:34 PM (FUu/Z)
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I don't really give a fuck what any article says. I'm telling you what I think. He hasn't done jack shit to move this.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 03:36 PM (zgNJq)
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I still say that Trump needs to threaten Congress and the country with the full implementation of ObamaCare (i.e. no exceptions like Cadillac plans and employer mandate).
Once the real horror appears within the temporal frame, the Democrats will start to sweat.
Once the real horror appears within the temporal frame, the Democrats will start to sweat.
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at July 19, 2017 03:36 PM (Sa/HV)
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Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 03:33 PM (zgNJq)
Balderdash. There are lots of other ways. Continuing coverage provisions. High risk pools. Expanding high deductible plans and HSAs without the EHBs.
Balderdash. There are lots of other ways. Continuing coverage provisions. High risk pools. Expanding high deductible plans and HSAs without the EHBs.
Posted by: Tsrblke at July 19, 2017 03:36 PM (dzmBR)
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naturalfake: "Murky and Caputa don't represent their voters, they represent whoever gives them the most money."
That's why we got Trump.
Every actor on Capitol Hill is bought. Every. Single. One.
Except Trump. The Populists understood this. That was Trump's exclusive leverage. No one owns him. The question remains as to how much Trump can bully those who are owned into voting the Populist way to save their position of power regardless of deep-pocketed owners.
That's why we got Trump.
Every actor on Capitol Hill is bought. Every. Single. One.
Except Trump. The Populists understood this. That was Trump's exclusive leverage. No one owns him. The question remains as to how much Trump can bully those who are owned into voting the Populist way to save their position of power regardless of deep-pocketed owners.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 19, 2017 03:36 PM (H8S+R)
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Hey! We already BEAT Murkowski in a GOP primary! Didn't take. She's like the Terminator.
Posted by: mnw at July 19, 2017 03:37 PM (SNwMD)
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My senator is Corey Squish Gardner (Rino) Colorado
He's so afraid of this he won't even say where he stands.
This state has recall fever, and if they could, would gin up a recall of a sitting US senator.
And I think this is typical across close to half of the Republican senate.
He's so afraid of this he won't even say where he stands.
This state has recall fever, and if they could, would gin up a recall of a sitting US senator.
And I think this is typical across close to half of the Republican senate.
Posted by: Les Kinetic at July 19, 2017 03:37 PM (U6f54)
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Couldn't Pence, as part of his job of presiding over the Senate, cancel part or all of the August recess?
Posted by: bergerbilder at July 19, 2017 03:37 PM (lIZQs)
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Its all about the money; the money that goes into the campaign slush funds and the money that flows into the corporations that benefit from the laws and regulations. Pimps and thieves are only in it for the money.
Posted by: colfax mingo at July 19, 2017 03:37 PM (p7pfb)
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There are only about 10 conservatives in the House and less than that in the Senate, maybe between 5 and 10. the rest or RINOs or DIABLOs. we are stuck with Obamacare until people quit voting for Democrats and Democrats with an R after their name.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 19, 2017 03:38 PM (mpXpK)
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Matt Drudge has quite an obsession with "sex robots"
Drudge has an obsession with whatever gets him hits.
Drudge has an obsession with whatever gets him hits.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 03:38 PM (39g3+)
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Just repeal.
Forget about replace.
Anyone or anything that tries to implement a new health care law eventually pays the price at the ballot box.
Historically this is a fact.
Forget about replace.
Anyone or anything that tries to implement a new health care law eventually pays the price at the ballot box.
Historically this is a fact.
Posted by: navybrat at July 19, 2017 03:38 PM (w7KSn)
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Right now the argument is between Obamacare and "Something Else," with a lot of people invested in protecting Obama's legacy.
We should make the argument between nothing and Something Else.
Wait. I still don't get how the finicky cat plays into all this.
We should make the argument between nothing and Something Else.
Wait. I still don't get how the finicky cat plays into all this.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 19, 2017 03:38 PM (Mouru)
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Moocowski already lost the Alaska Republican primary once, and we can see how well that worked out.
Posted by: Mostly Harmless Lurker in you backyard at night at July 19, 2017 03:38 PM (1L9V9)
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Wasn't it Collins (R-ME) the vote that allowed OCare to get out of committee, when she could have voted NO and killed it in the crib.
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 19, 2017 03:29 PM (+7/1f)
No. That was Olympia Snowe, and she voted "yes" in an attempt to have some influence over the final bill as it was discussed by the full Senate. However, it would have gotten out of committee anyway because the Dems had a 13-10 majority. She later voted against it in the full Senate vote.
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 19, 2017 03:29 PM (+7/1f)
No. That was Olympia Snowe, and she voted "yes" in an attempt to have some influence over the final bill as it was discussed by the full Senate. However, it would have gotten out of committee anyway because the Dems had a 13-10 majority. She later voted against it in the full Senate vote.
Posted by: HTL at July 19, 2017 03:38 PM (KmJDX)
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I've got it! We count female congresscritters' votes only 72% as much as guys.
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at July 19, 2017 03:38 PM (Nwg0u)
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I think I might have actually gotten through to her as she's a LIV, not a liberal.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 19, 2017 03:32 PM (eSx+E)
Keep up the good fight.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 19, 2017 03:32 PM (eSx+E)
Keep up the good fight.
Posted by: Under Fire at July 19, 2017 03:38 PM (mcI77)
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It has been pointed out by many the whole Obama Care was designed to collapse to allow they thought the next Democrat President to bring in single payer.
Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2017 03:38 PM (9g/6M)
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The problem in many states is that the R senator or senators had to go squish to get elected, and that a fire-breather could not be elected in the general, even after strongly winning a primary.
Posted by: Les Kinetic at July 19, 2017 03:38 PM (U6f54)
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142 Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 03:33 PM (zgNJq)
Balderdash. There are lots of other ways. Continuing coverage provisions. High risk pools. Expanding high deductible plans and HSAs without the EHBs.
Posted by: Tsrblke at July 19, 2017 03:36 PM (dzmBR)
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Sure all of those are great. But at the core, you need govt to pay for sick's people's insurance.
Balderdash. There are lots of other ways. Continuing coverage provisions. High risk pools. Expanding high deductible plans and HSAs without the EHBs.
Posted by: Tsrblke at July 19, 2017 03:36 PM (dzmBR)
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Sure all of those are great. But at the core, you need govt to pay for sick's people's insurance.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 03:39 PM (zgNJq)
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Around 40 million "uninsured" people prior to Obamacare.
11.3% of the US population "uninsured" after Obamacare.
11.3% of the US population = Around 40 million people
11.3% of the US population "uninsured" after Obamacare.
11.3% of the US population = Around 40 million people
Posted by: Hate Has No Homo at July 19, 2017 03:39 PM (JTMqu)
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Tillis is an idiot and Burr isn't seeking reelection so who knows what NC will do
Posted by: NCKate at July 19, 2017 03:39 PM (2R5JV)
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There isnt any way in hell establishment Republicans are gonna do *shit* and let Trump have any victories.
There isnt any way in hell establishment Republicans are gonna do *shit* and let Trump have any victories.
Posted by: fixerupper at July 19, 2017 03:39 PM (8XRCm)
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What's a bug chaser?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 19, 2017 03:36 PM (iVOAv)
Gay people who actually WANT to get an STD as a badge of victim honor.
There may well be people who are honestly gay, but this phenomenon is proof that some people are just SICK in the head.
What's a bug chaser?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 19, 2017 03:36 PM (iVOAv)
Gay people who actually WANT to get an STD as a badge of victim honor.
There may well be people who are honestly gay, but this phenomenon is proof that some people are just SICK in the head.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 19, 2017 03:39 PM (ujg0T)
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Looks like it will take an Art v convention. We really have no party.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 19, 2017 03:39 PM (mpXpK)
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Posted by: bergerbilder at July 19, 2017 03:37 PM (lIZQs
I don't think so. The senate still gets to set its own rules, inclusive of when they are in session.
Theoretically if they wanted to adjourn for the rest of the session they could and the executive can't haul them them back.
I don't think so. The senate still gets to set its own rules, inclusive of when they are in session.
Theoretically if they wanted to adjourn for the rest of the session they could and the executive can't haul them them back.
Posted by: Tsrblke at July 19, 2017 03:39 PM (dzmBR)
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drudge is now being run by a ponytailed, bike riding, narcissistic, shittey guitar player. place has sucked balls since the gin queen fell off her port a shitter.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 19, 2017 03:39 PM (KP5rU)
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As disgusted as I am with the GOP, Trump isn't blameless here. He's done next to nothing to push for this, other than a few tweets here and there. Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 03:25 PM (zgNJq)
Maybe if repunlicans had shown some spine he would have.For seven months republicans have sat back while the media has merclessly attacked the president with barely a peep from those cowards.And then they expect Trump to lead the charge on an issuewhich they raised millions of dollars on by pushing it
As disgusted as I am with the GOP, Trump isn't blameless here. He's done next to nothing to push for this, other than a few tweets here and there. Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 03:25 PM (zgNJq)
Maybe if repunlicans had shown some spine he would have.For seven months republicans have sat back while the media has merclessly attacked the president with barely a peep from those cowards.And then they expect Trump to lead the charge on an issuewhich they raised millions of dollars on by pushing it
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 19, 2017 03:40 PM (lKyWE)
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Off topic: Matt Drudge has quite an obsession with "sex robots"
Posted by: Knee Jerk at July 19, 2017 03:35 PM (EaVUS)
Further off topic: I heard Matt Drudge pushes lunch, is that true?
Posted by: Knee Jerk at July 19, 2017 03:35 PM (EaVUS)
Further off topic: I heard Matt Drudge pushes lunch, is that true?
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 19, 2017 03:40 PM (jjaLl)
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Matt Drudge has quite an obsession with "sex robots"
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Shaft was a sex machine to all the chicks.
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Shaft was a sex machine to all the chicks.
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at July 19, 2017 03:40 PM (Nwg0u)
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Oh how do we motivate these venal, petty, stupid, greedy slobs who rule us into doing what we want?
Lobbyist: Why give them more money of course.
Voter: ?????
Its kind of a problem.
Lobbyist: Why give them more money of course.
Voter: ?????
Its kind of a problem.
Posted by: simplemind at July 19, 2017 03:40 PM (iNrD7)
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I saw Big Vag open for the Reptilians at the Whiskey back in '78
Posted by: Rick in SK at July 19, 2017 03:34 PM (FZYNt)
I see Big Vag open every night.
I saw Big Vag open for the Reptilians at the Whiskey back in '78
Posted by: Rick in SK at July 19, 2017 03:34 PM (FZYNt)
I see Big Vag open every night.
Posted by: Huma at July 19, 2017 03:40 PM (XoldI)
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Repeal and replace? Straight repeal? A lot of people are willing to make a lot of concessions for a bill we barely understand, which we resent because that opaqueness was by design.
But outright betrayal? If murkowski thinks she can sell out the American people and walk away smugly, she's DEAD wrong. Alaskans already know what program made their premiums spike. If the Uniparty thinks Alaskans will just live with no insurance- while subsidizing 37 people that collectively represent $11 million in claims- again, dead wrong.
If Congress is less representative of the people than King George, abolish it.
But outright betrayal? If murkowski thinks she can sell out the American people and walk away smugly, she's DEAD wrong. Alaskans already know what program made their premiums spike. If the Uniparty thinks Alaskans will just live with no insurance- while subsidizing 37 people that collectively represent $11 million in claims- again, dead wrong.
If Congress is less representative of the people than King George, abolish it.
Posted by: trev006 at July 19, 2017 03:40 PM (NWkcs)
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The preexisting conditions should be separated into categories at the minimum. If people are using house insurance as an analogy, you are not prevented from getting insurance after you have made repairs to your home from a previous claim.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 03:40 PM (bN6TL)
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You'd think in 7 years someone at GOPe HQ would have thought of this option.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 03:33 PM (zgNJq)
Your use of the word thought makes me believe that you haven't really been paying attention!
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 03:33 PM (zgNJq)
Your use of the word thought makes me believe that you haven't really been paying attention!
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 03:40 PM (gwPgz)
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>>they want the Democrats to always have the leverage of saying #ButObamacare and thereby defeating any alternative to it.
I would suggest it's something much simpler, money. Both West VA and Alaska went big with Medicaid expansion. So did Ohio and Rob Portman is also shaky.
In DC, always follow the money.
I would suggest it's something much simpler, money. Both West VA and Alaska went big with Medicaid expansion. So did Ohio and Rob Portman is also shaky.
In DC, always follow the money.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2017 03:40 PM (/tuJf)
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152 Moocowski already lost the Alaska Republican primary once, and we can see how well that worked out.
There are many Alaskan's that love their free shit.
There are many Alaskan's that love their free shit.
Posted by: Under Fire at July 19, 2017 03:41 PM (mcI77)
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167 Off topic: Matt Drudge has quite an obsession with "sex robots"
Posted by: Knee Jerk at July 19, 2017 03:35 PM (EaVUS)
In an age of femi-commu-nist women and "In-Cel" young men, this may be the next frontier.
Posted by: Knee Jerk at July 19, 2017 03:35 PM (EaVUS)
In an age of femi-commu-nist women and "In-Cel" young men, this may be the next frontier.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 19, 2017 03:41 PM (ujg0T)
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What's a bug chaser?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 19, 2017 03:36 PM (iVOAv)
Gay people who actually WANT to get an STD as a badge of victim honor.
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The Pink Badge of Courage?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 19, 2017 03:36 PM (iVOAv)
Gay people who actually WANT to get an STD as a badge of victim honor.
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The Pink Badge of Courage?
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at July 19, 2017 03:42 PM (Nwg0u)
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Remember kids ...
... 51 sitting US Senators voted for HR 3762 back in Jan 2016. You know - that pesky little eight page bill that Paul Ryan called "repeal".
... 51 sitting US Senators voted for HR 3762 back in Jan 2016. You know - that pesky little eight page bill that Paul Ryan called "repeal".
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 19, 2017 03:42 PM (GoNER)
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Trump : People need health insurance and the costs are killing us. Fix this problem.
Congress : We'll have to find a bipartisan compromise to replace some parts of obamacare.
Trump : Fine. Replace the bad parts.
Congress : We don't have the votes to replace, we'll have to repeal it.
Trump: Fine repeal it then
Congress: We don't have the votes to repeal it
Trump: Fine, let it burn then
Congress: We can't do that it would be a public relations disaster and you will be blamed for it Mr. President.
Trump: Me? I didn't write the legislation
Congress: That was obama and the democrats. None of the GOP voted for it.
Trump: WTF?
Congress : We'll have to find a bipartisan compromise to replace some parts of obamacare.
Trump : Fine. Replace the bad parts.
Congress : We don't have the votes to replace, we'll have to repeal it.
Trump: Fine repeal it then
Congress: We don't have the votes to repeal it
Trump: Fine, let it burn then
Congress: We can't do that it would be a public relations disaster and you will be blamed for it Mr. President.
Trump: Me? I didn't write the legislation
Congress: That was obama and the democrats. None of the GOP voted for it.
Trump: WTF?
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 03:42 PM (m9X4Y)
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I have come to the conclusion that one useless man is called a disgrace, that two are called a law firm, and that three or more become a congress.
Peter Stone, writer for 1776. putting this quote in the mouth of John Adams
Peter Stone, writer for 1776. putting this quote in the mouth of John Adams
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 19, 2017 03:42 PM (iVOAv)
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172 The preexisting conditions should be separated into categories at the minimum. If people are using house insurance as an analogy, you are not prevented from getting insurance after you have made repairs to your home from a previous claim.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 03:40 PM (bN6TL)
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Yeah but if you have flood damage and clean up the damage using insurance money, the premium for flood insurance will skyrocket next time around. Which is kind of how insurance is supposed to work, what with that whole risk thing-y.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 03:40 PM (bN6TL)
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Yeah but if you have flood damage and clean up the damage using insurance money, the premium for flood insurance will skyrocket next time around. Which is kind of how insurance is supposed to work, what with that whole risk thing-y.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 03:42 PM (zgNJq)
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Let's remember that if they take a week off, Trump can make temporary appointments to those 400+ positions he's trying to fill that are being held up by Dems. That's a fair trade, since Congress isn't accomplishing anything anyway.
Posted by: Kevin at July 19, 2017 03:43 PM (ZFKjK)
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drudge is now being run by a ponytailed, bike riding, narcissistic, shittey guitar player. place has sucked balls since the gin queen fell off her port a shitter.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 19, 2017 03:39 PM (KP5rU)
Tell me more.
I've noticed a huge shift in Drudge since January.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 19, 2017 03:39 PM (KP5rU)
Tell me more.
I've noticed a huge shift in Drudge since January.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 03:43 PM (3OIiX)
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Patterico went #NeverTrump last year...
you'd think he'd be fine with all the Failure Theater that's going on.
you'd think he'd be fine with all the Failure Theater that's going on.
Posted by: redc1c4 at July 19, 2017 03:43 PM (LGcdt)
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ace: "Certain aspects of Obamacare are so popular (some kind of plan made
available for the uninsurables, ending pre-existing conditions
restrictions) that it is impossible to get rid of them without at least
offering something that does *some* of that."
Umm - nonsense? Evidence for this? Elections? Credible surveys?
For the billionth time - the number of households very negatively affected by O-care/devastated by O-care are MULTIPLES of those "benefiting" from O-care (which also renders silly this automatic, baseless assertion that "um, once an entitlement is passed, it's absolutely impossible!!!!!! to change it!!! eleventy!").
For some sense of the numbers, think back to all history prior to 2009. Decades of the Dems pushing various kinds of disastrous health insurance schemes, no evidence whatsoever of any crisis of any kind, nobody dying in the streets. After 2009, a bunch of Medicaid signups and a tiny number of O-care sign-ups (half of which are refugees from destroyed individual plans).
These two myths aren't just not dying, they're growing - the myth of O-care's "popular" provisions (elimination of which would not change one election at any level) and the myth of some massive vested segment of the electorate that is now crazy about O-care (even most O-care policy holders hate it).
available for the uninsurables, ending pre-existing conditions
restrictions) that it is impossible to get rid of them without at least
offering something that does *some* of that."
Umm - nonsense? Evidence for this? Elections? Credible surveys?
For the billionth time - the number of households very negatively affected by O-care/devastated by O-care are MULTIPLES of those "benefiting" from O-care (which also renders silly this automatic, baseless assertion that "um, once an entitlement is passed, it's absolutely impossible!!!!!! to change it!!! eleventy!").
For some sense of the numbers, think back to all history prior to 2009. Decades of the Dems pushing various kinds of disastrous health insurance schemes, no evidence whatsoever of any crisis of any kind, nobody dying in the streets. After 2009, a bunch of Medicaid signups and a tiny number of O-care sign-ups (half of which are refugees from destroyed individual plans).
These two myths aren't just not dying, they're growing - the myth of O-care's "popular" provisions (elimination of which would not change one election at any level) and the myth of some massive vested segment of the electorate that is now crazy about O-care (even most O-care policy holders hate it).
Posted by: rhomboid at July 19, 2017 03:43 PM (QDnY+)
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Married women will be the #1 demographic purchasing female sex robots.
Posted by: Hate Has No Homo at July 19, 2017 03:43 PM (JTMqu)
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Also, sex robots is one of the things I'm sticking around on this planet for. I just want to make it long enough to get a sexy robot maid who can cook, clean and play bed games believably.
I just want out before they take over the world.
I just want out before they take over the world.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 03:43 PM (3OIiX)
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Cancel recess!!
Cancel milk and cookie time!!
Put your sleeping mats back in your cubby holes!!
There will be no fucking story time until you pass something!!
Cancel milk and cookie time!!
Put your sleeping mats back in your cubby holes!!
There will be no fucking story time until you pass something!!
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 19, 2017 03:43 PM (MduLE)
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Settings on sexbot to include Rape, is that surprising seeing the success of Fifty Shades?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at July 19, 2017 03:43 PM (6Ll1u)
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175;
there are many americans that love their free shit.
fixed for mo better accuracy.
everybody should have a free bamapho.
there are many americans that love their free shit.
fixed for mo better accuracy.
everybody should have a free bamapho.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 19, 2017 03:44 PM (KP5rU)
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Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 03:40 PM (bN6TL)
Anology fails for multiple reasons. 1)repairs are to original condition (can't do that with health in all cases) 2) homeowners doesn't cover normal use wear and tear.
Also homeowners deductibles are per incident not yearly, keeping claims down. (and the price goes up after a claim keeping them down more.)
Anology fails for multiple reasons. 1)repairs are to original condition (can't do that with health in all cases) 2) homeowners doesn't cover normal use wear and tear.
Also homeowners deductibles are per incident not yearly, keeping claims down. (and the price goes up after a claim keeping them down more.)
Posted by: Tsrblke at July 19, 2017 03:44 PM (dzmBR)
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163 Looks like it will take an Art v convention. We really have no party.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 19, 2017 03:39 PM (mpXpK)
What I think we have in the GOP is a split between nationalists, who have made Trump their champion, and globalists in the GOPee.
Meanwhile, the Demunists appeared to have purged their Joe Sixpack elements, and the Commiecrats have created a coalition of pseudo-intellectual elites who want to lord it over all of us, with ghetto thugs as hired muscle for them.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 19, 2017 03:39 PM (mpXpK)
What I think we have in the GOP is a split between nationalists, who have made Trump their champion, and globalists in the GOPee.
Meanwhile, the Demunists appeared to have purged their Joe Sixpack elements, and the Commiecrats have created a coalition of pseudo-intellectual elites who want to lord it over all of us, with ghetto thugs as hired muscle for them.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 19, 2017 03:44 PM (ujg0T)
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I have a serious question about primary challenges to GOPe senators and congress-critters. Is it possible (or legal) for a state GOP committee or other organization to determine who will be a challenger to an incumbent? It always seems that when there is a primary challenge, there are 2, 3, or 10+ challengers, of which only one or two are "qualified" or "electable." The others are in it for the publicity or the speaking fees or the book sales, or whatever. The multitude of primary GOP candidates dilutes the effect of a true challenge, and the incumbent typically walks away with a victory, in spite of voter discontent if all the challengers' votes were aggregated. If you look at the recent Georgia special election (which I recognize was not a primary), it seems like Karen Handel might have won in the general election if there weren't 7 or 8 other GOP candidates on the ballot.
It always seems like the Democrats are able to "convince" other potential candidates that it's not in the party's best interests for them to run against the "preferred candidate." I think it's time for the GOP to take the same aggressive position.
It always seems like the Democrats are able to "convince" other potential candidates that it's not in the party's best interests for them to run against the "preferred candidate." I think it's time for the GOP to take the same aggressive position.
Posted by: jayhawkone at July 19, 2017 03:44 PM (ZD+J8)
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You'd think in 7 years someone at GOPe HQ would have thought of this option.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 03:33 PM (zgNJq)
Bite the bullet and admit it's a welfare program that will be rife with fraud and abuse, but maybe, just maybe, the rest of the population can participate in a rational health insurancesystem!
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 03:33 PM (zgNJq)
Bite the bullet and admit it's a welfare program that will be rife with fraud and abuse, but maybe, just maybe, the rest of the population can participate in a rational health insurancesystem!
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 03:44 PM (gwPgz)
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146 Couldn't Pence, as part of his job of presiding over the Senate, cancel part or all of the August recess?
Posted by: bergerbilder at July 19, 2017 03:37 PM (lIZQs)
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The Senate vests virtually no power in that position, other than what is required constitutionally. All the power is in the hands of the majority leader.
Posted by: bergerbilder at July 19, 2017 03:37 PM (lIZQs)
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The Senate vests virtually no power in that position, other than what is required constitutionally. All the power is in the hands of the majority leader.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at July 19, 2017 03:45 PM (pvjTE)
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***saving money for Winona Sex Bot with pancake-making program***
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 19, 2017 03:45 PM (MduLE)
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144 Hey! We already BEAT Murkowski in a GOP primary! Didn't take. She's like the Terminator.
Posted by: mnw at July 19, 2017 03:37 PM (SNwMD)
Unfortunately, that is true. There's a lot of overconfidence on our side that we can punish these guys. We need to pick the ones we can actually beat.
And I disagree with Rand Paul's detractors here. He is very useful as a voice against the "We won't call it Obamacare, but will keep it in all but name" brigade.
Posted by: mnw at July 19, 2017 03:37 PM (SNwMD)
Unfortunately, that is true. There's a lot of overconfidence on our side that we can punish these guys. We need to pick the ones we can actually beat.
And I disagree with Rand Paul's detractors here. He is very useful as a voice against the "We won't call it Obamacare, but will keep it in all but name" brigade.
Posted by: George LeS at July 19, 2017 03:45 PM (+TcCF)
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Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 03:42 PM (zgNJq)
You're right it's based on risk and that's why I said categories. Not every preexisting condition has the same risk.
You're right it's based on risk and that's why I said categories. Not every preexisting condition has the same risk.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 03:45 PM (bN6TL)
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While I agree that sunsetting the ACA over several years is a recipe for "lets just keep voting to push that deadline away further" its also the only realistic way to handle it. You can't just pull the lever, it took years to set all this crap up and it will take at least a year or more to get rid of the whole network and system, and rebuild a replacement structure of insurance.
A lot of insurers went under or had to drop tons of people. Lots of doctors just resigned. Others have severely cut back the number of people they see for no reason other than the insane amount of documentation they have to do. It takes more than half the day just to fill out all the stupid paperwork for each patient now because of Obamacare. Docs hate that. That has to be phased out and cleaned up. Legislation takes time to write and install, and it takes time for the bureaucracy to get up to speed and get things going.
So there's really not any way to just shut Obamacare off and faster.
A lot of insurers went under or had to drop tons of people. Lots of doctors just resigned. Others have severely cut back the number of people they see for no reason other than the insane amount of documentation they have to do. It takes more than half the day just to fill out all the stupid paperwork for each patient now because of Obamacare. Docs hate that. That has to be phased out and cleaned up. Legislation takes time to write and install, and it takes time for the bureaucracy to get up to speed and get things going.
So there's really not any way to just shut Obamacare off and faster.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 03:45 PM (39g3+)
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No!!! Pale imitation!
I denounce myself!!
I denounce myself!!
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 19, 2017 03:45 PM (MduLE)
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There will be no fucking story time until you pass something!!
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That was an uncomfortable little window into your childhood, wasn't it BSG?
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That was an uncomfortable little window into your childhood, wasn't it BSG?
Posted by: simplemind at July 19, 2017 03:46 PM (BL5jf)
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Maritime: "They already have
Collins, Murkowski, and Capito all voted no."
Wasn't that the Repeal and Replace version? That one, yes, is recorded. A simple repeal which they supported previously under Obama hasn't hit the floor. They were hiding their intentions. It's time to flush them out. Officially.
Collins, Murkowski, and Capito all voted no."
Wasn't that the Repeal and Replace version? That one, yes, is recorded. A simple repeal which they supported previously under Obama hasn't hit the floor. They were hiding their intentions. It's time to flush them out. Officially.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 19, 2017 03:46 PM (H8S+R)
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If people are using house insurance as an analogy, you are not prevented from getting insurance after you have made repairs to your home
In my case, I have a dry rot problem. Insurance company canceled insurance because I made the repairs myself instead of filing a claim and subcontracting with an insurance company approved commercial subcontractor.
In my case, I have a dry rot problem. Insurance company canceled insurance because I made the repairs myself instead of filing a claim and subcontracting with an insurance company approved commercial subcontractor.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 03:46 PM (m9X4Y)
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"Shelley Capoto" is likely to run for Governor of Maine next year, and if she runs, she'll win. Then when she resigns from the Senate to move to Augusta, get this, term-limited Governor LePage can appoint himself to the open Senate seat and serve for 2 years. Here's hoping.
Posted by: joe at July 19, 2017 03:47 PM (GgxsT)
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>>>Which puts huge pressure on Democrats to play ball.
Ace, you are twice the intellect that I am but that statement sounds hopelessly naive. Just my 2 cents.
Ace, you are twice the intellect that I am but that statement sounds hopelessly naive. Just my 2 cents.
Posted by: Max Power at July 19, 2017 03:47 PM (q177U)
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My senator is Corey Squish Gardner (Rino) Colorado
He's so afraid of this he won't even say where he stands.
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The Donks or somebody are running constant please-don't-let-Cory-kill-us ads.
He's so afraid of this he won't even say where he stands.
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The Donks or somebody are running constant please-don't-let-Cory-kill-us ads.
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at July 19, 2017 03:47 PM (Nwg0u)
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Gay people who actually WANT to get an STD as a badge of victim honor.
A bug chaser in the gay male community isn't looking to get an std they're looking to get infected with the HIV virus.
Gay people who actually WANT to get an STD as a badge of victim honor.
A bug chaser in the gay male community isn't looking to get an std they're looking to get infected with the HIV virus.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 19, 2017 03:47 PM (lKyWE)
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Oh, sorry, I thought "Shelley Capoto" was one of the blogger's bogus names for Susan Collins. I mean Susan Collins.
Posted by: joe at July 19, 2017 03:48 PM (GgxsT)
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Let's remember that if they take a week off, Trump can make temporary appointments to those 400+ positions he's trying to fill that are being held up by Dems.
Which, he probably should although that wouldn't exactly endear him to congress, which he's trying to woo and get to work with him.
Umm - nonsense? Evidence for this? Elections? Credible surveys?
There's a difference between what's logical/factual and what is feasible/political. Congress could easily vote to end Social Security tomorrow. That's possible, its factual. It just isn't feasible or political.
Which, he probably should although that wouldn't exactly endear him to congress, which he's trying to woo and get to work with him.
Umm - nonsense? Evidence for this? Elections? Credible surveys?
There's a difference between what's logical/factual and what is feasible/political. Congress could easily vote to end Social Security tomorrow. That's possible, its factual. It just isn't feasible or political.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 03:48 PM (39g3+)
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Wasn't that the Repeal and Replace version?
No. It was for the straight repeal. They want to keep funding PP.
Wasn't that the Repeal and Replace version?
No. It was for the straight repeal. They want to keep funding PP.
Posted by: Under Fire at July 19, 2017 03:48 PM (mcI77)
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204 "Shelley Capoto" is likely to run for Governor of Maine next year, and if she runs, she'll win. Then when she resigns from the Senate to move to Augusta, get this, term-limited Governor LePage can appoint himself to the open Senate seat and serve for 2 years. Here's hoping.
Posted by: joe at July 19, 2017 03:47 PM (GgxsT)
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That would be interesting since Capito lives in W. VA.
Do you mean Collins?
Posted by: joe at July 19, 2017 03:47 PM (GgxsT)
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That would be interesting since Capito lives in W. VA.
Do you mean Collins?
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 03:48 PM (zgNJq)
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I just want out before they take over the world.
Dude. More subtlety of thinking. If you can't beat them, join them.
Full body cyborg. Sex robot. #Winning
Dude. More subtlety of thinking. If you can't beat them, join them.
Full body cyborg. Sex robot. #Winning
Posted by: Sporkatus at July 19, 2017 03:49 PM (eXSOZ)
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>>>That was an uncomfortable little window into your childhood, wasn't it BSG?
***awkward flashback***
***1,000 yard stare***
***awkward flashback***
***1,000 yard stare***
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 19, 2017 03:49 PM (MduLE)
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Wasn't that the Repeal and Replace version? That one, yes, is recorded. A simple repeal which they supported previously under Obama hasn't hit the floor. They were hiding their intentions. It's time to flush them out. Officially.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel
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Not to my understanding, I read they tried a different "replace only bill" and they voted against that to even come to a floor vote. But I could be wrong.
The repeal and replace was voted down by other Senators as well like Rand Paul and Mike Lee.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel
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Not to my understanding, I read they tried a different "replace only bill" and they voted against that to even come to a floor vote. But I could be wrong.
The repeal and replace was voted down by other Senators as well like Rand Paul and Mike Lee.
Posted by: Maritime at July 19, 2017 03:49 PM (mYJIs)
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SHELLY WINTERS FOR GOVERNOR!!!
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 19, 2017 03:49 PM (jjaLl)
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Can't they just repeal it with the 2 year window...allowing insurance companies time to revert back to older type policies?
And maybe allow somewhere in there to keep the 'pre-existing' conditions?
And maybe allow somewhere in there to keep the 'pre-existing' conditions?
Posted by: Tami, Public Ineffectual at July 19, 2017 03:49 PM (Enq6K)
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Jeebus, the "40 million uninsured" before O-care is the "11 million illegals" of the illegal immigration debate, on steroids.
There were nothing like 40 million financially involuntarily uninsured before O-care. Probably more like 15% of that number.
There was no crisis. That's why there was no political support for it (it was all top-down, a "cram-down" that was just barely forced on the then-majority party, resulting its national decimation in subsequent election cycles).
It's been noted by others that so many of the sorts who revel in "fake news!" attacks on the propaganda outfits called the "press" nonetheless operate almost entirely within the false framework that press has created. One reason for no optimism.
There were nothing like 40 million financially involuntarily uninsured before O-care. Probably more like 15% of that number.
There was no crisis. That's why there was no political support for it (it was all top-down, a "cram-down" that was just barely forced on the then-majority party, resulting its national decimation in subsequent election cycles).
It's been noted by others that so many of the sorts who revel in "fake news!" attacks on the propaganda outfits called the "press" nonetheless operate almost entirely within the false framework that press has created. One reason for no optimism.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 19, 2017 03:49 PM (QDnY+)
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207; line them up for shots at the free clinic. cut the chase out of that. rectally speaking.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 19, 2017 03:50 PM (KP5rU)
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. Then I realized that was just an unpublished double-post of something I posted last night.
Posted by: ace
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Pfft. It's such things that lend the HQ a certain charm. And, the commenters are given de facto free rein to make wildly unrelated absurd posts. It's like a recess at nursery school.
Posted by: ace
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Pfft. It's such things that lend the HQ a certain charm. And, the commenters are given de facto free rein to make wildly unrelated absurd posts. It's like a recess at nursery school.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 19, 2017 03:50 PM (OdK9v)
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I just want out before they take over the world.
Dude. More subtlety of thinking. If you can't beat them, join them.
Full body cyborg. Sex robot. #Winning
Posted by: Sporkatus at July 19, 2017 03:49 PM (eXSOZ)
Just as long as I don't get stuck with body version 2.0 or earlier. I know how my software bugs wind up in stuff...
ModernBodyModernBodyModernBodyModernBodyModernBodyModernBodyModernBodyModernBodyModernBody
Dude. More subtlety of thinking. If you can't beat them, join them.
Full body cyborg. Sex robot. #Winning
Posted by: Sporkatus at July 19, 2017 03:49 PM (eXSOZ)
Just as long as I don't get stuck with body version 2.0 or earlier. I know how my software bugs wind up in stuff...
ModernBodyModernBodyModernBodyModernBodyModernBodyModernBodyModernBodyModernBodyModernBody
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 03:50 PM (3OIiX)
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oh-oh.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 19, 2017 03:51 PM (KP5rU)
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>>Wasn't that the Repeal and Replace version? That one, yes, is recorded. A simple repeal which they supported previously under Obama hasn't hit the floor. They were hiding their intentions. It's time to flush them out. Officially.
Just so everyone is on the same page, this "repeal" bill that they will be voting on is really no different than the repeal they voted for last year or the one the House already passed. That is to say it is not a complete repeal because it still has to go the reconciliation route.
So if you are still demanding complete repeal you aren't going to get it no matter what happens with this vote.
Just so everyone is on the same page, this "repeal" bill that they will be voting on is really no different than the repeal they voted for last year or the one the House already passed. That is to say it is not a complete repeal because it still has to go the reconciliation route.
So if you are still demanding complete repeal you aren't going to get it no matter what happens with this vote.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2017 03:51 PM (/tuJf)
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Oh boy.
Posted by: Under Fire at July 19, 2017 03:51 PM (mcI77)
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ouch
Posted by: RioBravo at July 19, 2017 03:51 PM (SsblQ)
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Posted by: Tsrblke at July 19, 2017 03:44 PM (dzmBR)
1. A house that had covered damage ( injury /illness) that was repaired ( cured / remission) is able to get insurance.
2. I don't know what you are referring to about wear and tear. Home owners doesn't cover that but health insurance does.
1. A house that had covered damage ( injury /illness) that was repaired ( cured / remission) is able to get insurance.
2. I don't know what you are referring to about wear and tear. Home owners doesn't cover that but health insurance does.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 03:52 PM (bN6TL)
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>>>>It's like a recess at nursery school.
A foul-mouthed, sexually perverted nursery school.
Wouldn't want to go anywhere else!
A foul-mouthed, sexually perverted nursery school.
Wouldn't want to go anywhere else!
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 19, 2017 03:52 PM (jjaLl)
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ModernBodyModernBodyModernBodyModernBody
Work it
Make it
Do it
Make us
Harder
Better
Faster
Stronger
Work it
Make it
Do it
Make us
Harder
Better
Faster
Stronger
Posted by: Sporkatus at July 19, 2017 03:52 PM (eXSOZ)
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One of the biggest flaws with insurance right now is that you can go get everything checked for cheap. You get the sniffles, you need vitamins, you have an owie: ooh, cheap deductible, everyone else will pitch in to help me pay the doctor to put a Rainbow Brite bandaid on my knee!
Insurance should be for emergencies, serious problems, catastrophes. Not just whatever ails you and absolutely not for "preventative medicine" or any of that crap. Just that would seriously reduce costs.
Insurance should be for emergencies, serious problems, catastrophes. Not just whatever ails you and absolutely not for "preventative medicine" or any of that crap. Just that would seriously reduce costs.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 03:52 PM (39g3+)
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I'm no policy wonk, but it looks like to me you could just pass a simple law that allows insurance companies to sell whatever insurance they want alongside the Obamacare shit and let people choose.
The Medicaid stuff is much different, but I almost think that needs a whole separate reform bill.
The Medicaid stuff is much different, but I almost think that needs a whole separate reform bill.
Posted by: Maritime at July 19, 2017 03:52 PM (mYJIs)
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Mark Andrew Edwards to the white courtesy slime!
Posted by: The Barrel at July 19, 2017 03:52 PM (gIRsn)
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Margins. Blown.
Posted by: NCKate at July 19, 2017 03:52 PM (2R5JV)
Posted by: Das Barrel at July 19, 2017 03:52 PM (gwPgz)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 03:52 PM (3OIiX)
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DEMIMOOREBUSHDEMIMOOREBUSHDEMIMOOREBUSH
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 19, 2017 03:52 PM (MduLE)
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Gay people who actually WANT to get an STD as a badge of victim honor.
A bug chaser in the gay male community isn't looking to get an std they're looking to get infected with the HIV virus.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 19, 2017 03:47 PM (lKyWE)
True, but I suspect some of the bugchasers would settle for chlamidya. "Everytime I get an STD I am striking a blow for sexual liberation and against the heteronormative patriarchy...."
Gay people who actually WANT to get an STD as a badge of victim honor.
A bug chaser in the gay male community isn't looking to get an std they're looking to get infected with the HIV virus.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 19, 2017 03:47 PM (lKyWE)
True, but I suspect some of the bugchasers would settle for chlamidya. "Everytime I get an STD I am striking a blow for sexual liberation and against the heteronormative patriarchy...."
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 19, 2017 03:52 PM (ujg0T)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 03:53 PM (3OIiX)
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Imagine a finicky cat who won't eat the cat food. Well, take the cat food away for a day and he's going to become a whole lot less finicky about it. -
Or the cat will decided to kill you
Posted by: Pepe Shortstocking at July 19, 2017 03:27 PM (lKyWE)
So cats ARE Democrats.
Except that cats are less overt in their homicidal tendencies.
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Imagine a finicky cat who won't eat the cat food. Well, take the cat food away for a day and he's going to become a whole lot less finicky about it. -
Or the cat will decided to kill you
Posted by: Pepe Shortstocking at July 19, 2017 03:27 PM (lKyWE)
So cats ARE Democrats.
Except that cats are less overt in their homicidal tendencies.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 19, 2017 03:53 PM (veoSD)
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A. I didn't make the margins go wide (I'm not about to make an I didn't blow that comment to you scamps)
II. *big anime eyes* May we have a cheerful post of cheerfulness? You know full of awesome things like corgis and kittens and manatees and I will rip out with my teeth the throat of the first person who makes a speedboat joke about the manatees, so help me.
II. *big anime eyes* May we have a cheerful post of cheerfulness? You know full of awesome things like corgis and kittens and manatees and I will rip out with my teeth the throat of the first person who makes a speedboat joke about the manatees, so help me.
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 03:53 PM (mf5HN)
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"Also, sex robots is one of the things I'm sticking around on this planet for. I just want to make it long enough to get a sexy robot maid who can cook, clean and play bed games believably."
Do sex robots come with tentacles yet? Asking for a friend.
Do sex robots come with tentacles yet? Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Kurt Eichenwald at July 19, 2017 03:53 PM (OD2ni)
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228 One of the biggest flaws with insurance right now is that you can go get everything checked for cheap. You get the sniffles, you need vitamins, you have an owie: ooh, cheap deductible, everyone else will pitch in to help me pay the doctor to put a Rainbow Brite bandaid on my knee!
Insurance should be for emergencies, serious problems, catastrophes. Not just whatever ails you and absolutely not for "preventative medicine" or any of that crap. Just that would seriously reduce costs.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 03:52 PM (39g3+)
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I like to use the car analogy. You don't use car insurance for oil changes or new brakes. But people expect health insurance to pay for flu shots and birth control pills.
Insurance should be for emergencies, serious problems, catastrophes. Not just whatever ails you and absolutely not for "preventative medicine" or any of that crap. Just that would seriously reduce costs.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 03:52 PM (39g3+)
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I like to use the car analogy. You don't use car insurance for oil changes or new brakes. But people expect health insurance to pay for flu shots and birth control pills.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 03:53 PM (zgNJq)
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 03:53 PM (bN6TL)
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Mark Andrew Edwards done embiggened the thread.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 19, 2017 03:54 PM (OdK9v)
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at July 19, 2017 03:54 PM (FUu/Z)
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What the heck did I do, if anything?
Run on sentence with no breaks. Looks like a url to pixy after so many characters.
Run on sentence with no breaks. Looks like a url to pixy after so many characters.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 19, 2017 03:54 PM (G0G8s)
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What the heck did I do, if anything?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 03:52 PM (3OIiX)
You caused a "margin call" unknowingly.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 03:52 PM (3OIiX)
You caused a "margin call" unknowingly.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 19, 2017 03:54 PM (ujg0T)
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That Demi Moore Bush thing is about Demi Moore and a Bush kid. It's not about Demi Moore's Bush.
I know. I Goggled it.
I know. I Goggled it.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 03:54 PM (m9X4Y)
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Posted by: Maritime at July 19, 2017 03:52 PM (mYJIs)
Didn't Cruz propose exactly that, but his "betters" in the Senate killed it!
Didn't Cruz propose exactly that, but his "betters" in the Senate killed it!
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 03:54 PM (gwPgz)
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Has Farmers Insurance ever seen blown-out margins?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 19, 2017 03:54 PM (OdK9v)
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Can't they just repeal it with the 2 year window...allowing insurance companies time to revert back to older type policies?
Just great so they push it back two years which actually means it'll end up being closer to three years of nothing being done and then just when the 2020 election is heating up they'll tackle the problem
Can't they just repeal it with the 2 year window...allowing insurance companies time to revert back to older type policies?
Just great so they push it back two years which actually means it'll end up being closer to three years of nothing being done and then just when the 2020 election is heating up they'll tackle the problem
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 19, 2017 03:54 PM (lKyWE)
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alex, you and I are the only ones to ever ask for threads of happiness. I like happiness.
Posted by: NCKate at July 19, 2017 03:55 PM (2R5JV)
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*From the the barrel*
How do I fix it?
Also, one at a time, guys. Jeez. It's been a while for me, I've been married 9 years.
How do I fix it?
Also, one at a time, guys. Jeez. It's been a while for me, I've been married 9 years.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 03:55 PM (3OIiX)
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But first, you will blow me.
Posted by: Margins at July 19, 2017 03:55 PM (7n4KQ)
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Oh, FFS!
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/sex-robots-
frigid-settings-rape-simulation-men-sexual-assault-
a7847296.html
(remove extra spaces)
Yeah, yeah. i know. It's just a plastic doll. Not a real person.
How would you feel or hey, even think, about a plastic child doll for pedophiles to rape?
I've had it to here with society being run as a contest to see who can cover themselves with the most pig shit first,
and then requiring us all to applaud those efforts.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/sex-robots-
frigid-settings-rape-simulation-men-sexual-assault-
a7847296.html
(remove extra spaces)
Yeah, yeah. i know. It's just a plastic doll. Not a real person.
How would you feel or hey, even think, about a plastic child doll for pedophiles to rape?
I've had it to here with society being run as a contest to see who can cover themselves with the most pig shit first,
and then requiring us all to applaud those efforts.
Posted by: naturalfake at July 19, 2017 03:55 PM (NyJwR)
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and I will rip out with my teeth the throat of the first person who makes a speedboat joke about the manatees, so help me.
Motorboating a mermaid and speedboating a manatee are not the same thing, right?
It's just... apparently some sailors might be confused on this point.
Motorboating a mermaid and speedboating a manatee are not the same thing, right?
It's just... apparently some sailors might be confused on this point.
Posted by: Sporkatus at July 19, 2017 03:55 PM (eXSOZ)
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Trump, the great unmasker.
Posted by: nip at July 19, 2017 03:55 PM (VqJRJ)
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Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 03:53 PM (zgNJq)
You can buy car warranties that cover mechanical repairs.
Same for your house.
You can buy car warranties that cover mechanical repairs.
Same for your house.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 03:55 PM (bN6TL)
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The blog now looks like Flo's cervix.
Posted by: Under Fire at July 19, 2017 03:55 PM (mcI77)
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I don't buy ace's point here.
I think a repeal is the most important thing and it should happen sooner, not later, like 4-6 month horizon. Otherwise, you're just buying into the donks' premise that O-care is important or that the market cannot react fast enough to cover people.
This is bullshit. The law is falling apart now. The law makes bullshit policy goals like covering pre-existing conditions. It's a 2000+ page monster that probably has thousands of goodies to illegals, muslims, gheys, pirates, hookers, and other donk constituencies that need to end.
The most immediate to end are the requirements to have stacked plans with shit no one wants.
This can happen immediately.
Replace? Well. Obviously replacing pre-obamacare American healthcare with something "better" is hard to do. What with it being a complex system and all. Take your time.
I think a repeal is the most important thing and it should happen sooner, not later, like 4-6 month horizon. Otherwise, you're just buying into the donks' premise that O-care is important or that the market cannot react fast enough to cover people.
This is bullshit. The law is falling apart now. The law makes bullshit policy goals like covering pre-existing conditions. It's a 2000+ page monster that probably has thousands of goodies to illegals, muslims, gheys, pirates, hookers, and other donk constituencies that need to end.
The most immediate to end are the requirements to have stacked plans with shit no one wants.
This can happen immediately.
Replace? Well. Obviously replacing pre-obamacare American healthcare with something "better" is hard to do. What with it being a complex system and all. Take your time.
Posted by: andrew jarbacka at July 19, 2017 03:55 PM (AU4SY)
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If it's pushed back 2 years, yeah they could push it back another 2 years. But they'd have to actually vote to do it. And it would be hard to get 51 GOP senators to do that. Not impossible, but hard.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 03:56 PM (zgNJq)
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 19, 2017 03:56 PM (ujg0T)
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I shouldn't make cyberpunk jokes, apparently.
What the heck did I do, if anything?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 03:52 PM (3OIiX)
You blew the margins! You blew them good and we'll be lucky to live through it!
I shouldn't make cyberpunk jokes, apparently.
What the heck did I do, if anything?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 03:52 PM (3OIiX)
You blew the margins! You blew them good and we'll be lucky to live through it!
Posted by: Tami, Public Ineffectual at July 19, 2017 03:56 PM (Enq6K)
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211 yes see 208
Posted by: joe at July 19, 2017 03:56 PM (GgxsT)
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*echoing*
Thanks rickb223, I'll avoid that in the future.
By the way, Hardwired by Walter Jon Williams is a damn fine book.
Thanks rickb223, I'll avoid that in the future.
By the way, Hardwired by Walter Jon Williams is a damn fine book.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 03:56 PM (3OIiX)
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You don't use car insurance for oil changes or new brakes. But people expect health insurance to pay for flu shots and birth control pills.
Exactly, and while people whine "but they're so expensive!!!" the reason that's true is because you're using it to pay for that crap. Everyone who does so increases the cost for everyone else. Its a ponzi scheme in reverse.
The worst scam is insurance companies cooking up "studies" to show that preventative medicine saves money in the long run! No, it doesn't. At best, it pushes the big expenses further into the future, but everyone gets sick, everyone gets awful, and everyone dies. Nothing you do will keep you from getting ill and dying, nothing. Preventative medicine just pushes more money in their pockets as people use their product more for crap they could have done themselves and never needed to begin with.
Exactly, and while people whine "but they're so expensive!!!" the reason that's true is because you're using it to pay for that crap. Everyone who does so increases the cost for everyone else. Its a ponzi scheme in reverse.
The worst scam is insurance companies cooking up "studies" to show that preventative medicine saves money in the long run! No, it doesn't. At best, it pushes the big expenses further into the future, but everyone gets sick, everyone gets awful, and everyone dies. Nothing you do will keep you from getting ill and dying, nothing. Preventative medicine just pushes more money in their pockets as people use their product more for crap they could have done themselves and never needed to begin with.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 03:56 PM (39g3+)
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What the heck did I do, if anything?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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You entered an *unbroken* line of text that exceeded the nominal wdith of the margins.
People using phones to read this are now screwed.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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You entered an *unbroken* line of text that exceeded the nominal wdith of the margins.
People using phones to read this are now screwed.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 19, 2017 03:56 PM (OdK9v)
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also...obviously we need to start primarying these people.
The trucons and altright and other assorted worse than hitler groups need an enemies list to go after.
The trucons and altright and other assorted worse than hitler groups need an enemies list to go after.
Posted by: andrew jarbacka at July 19, 2017 03:56 PM (AU4SY)
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Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 03:46 PM (m9X4Y)
So you're uninsured now?
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 03:53 PM
Yes. I have no insurance. And I don't go to the doctor.
I hope death is quick and painless. Otherwise, I'm going to suffer and linger for days and no one will know. That would be horrible.
I need more beer for that day.
So you're uninsured now?
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 03:53 PM
Yes. I have no insurance. And I don't go to the doctor.
I hope death is quick and painless. Otherwise, I'm going to suffer and linger for days and no one will know. That would be horrible.
I need more beer for that day.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 03:56 PM (m9X4Y)
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One of the biggest flaws with insurance right now is that you can go get everything checked for cheap. You get the sniffles, you need vitamins, you have an owie: ooh, cheap deductible, everyone else will pitch in to help me pay the doctor to put a Rainbow Brite bandaid on my knee!
Insurance should be for emergencies, serious problems, catastrophes. Not just whatever ails you and absolutely not for "preventative medicine" or any of that crap. Just that would seriously reduce costs.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
That would require the doctor to have two payment schedules.
One for cash routine visits and one for insurance covered visits. Because it gets costly for a $100 office visit going cash out of pocket.
Insurance should be for emergencies, serious problems, catastrophes. Not just whatever ails you and absolutely not for "preventative medicine" or any of that crap. Just that would seriously reduce costs.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
That would require the doctor to have two payment schedules.
One for cash routine visits and one for insurance covered visits. Because it gets costly for a $100 office visit going cash out of pocket.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 19, 2017 03:57 PM (G0G8s)
Posted by: The Margins at July 19, 2017 03:57 PM (veoSD)
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II. *big anime eyes* May we have a cheerful post of cheerfulness? You know full of awesome things like corgis and kittens and manatees and I will rip out with my teeth the throat of the first person who makes a speedboat joke about the manatees, so help me.
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 03:53 PM (mf5HN)
I also think we need a happiness thread (not that mandatory happiness crap, but the kittens and puppies version).
And I agree that people should lay off on the manatees, they take enough hits as it is.
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 03:53 PM (mf5HN)
I also think we need a happiness thread (not that mandatory happiness crap, but the kittens and puppies version).
And I agree that people should lay off on the manatees, they take enough hits as it is.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 03:57 PM (wB8Tg)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 19, 2017 03:57 PM (IqV8l)
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We need free pet healthcare. People with two kidnesy don't *really* need that extra kidney. We need mandatory organ donations to stop the organ hoarders from killing people.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at July 19, 2017 03:58 PM (xAvrH)
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Yeah, yeah. i know. It's just a plastic doll. Not a real person.
Hmm, let's see. Enable horrible deviants or enable those screaming about "rape culture"? Not often am I the one to say "a pox on both their houses", but here... let's just say the pox is traveling par avion, no expense spared.
Hmm, let's see. Enable horrible deviants or enable those screaming about "rape culture"? Not often am I the one to say "a pox on both their houses", but here... let's just say the pox is traveling par avion, no expense spared.
Posted by: Sporkatus at July 19, 2017 03:58 PM (eXSOZ)
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256 Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 03:53 PM (zgNJq)
You can buy car warranties that cover mechanical repairs.
Same for your house.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 03:55 PM (bN6TL)
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Warranty is not insurance. And even warranties don't cover routine maintenance. You can buy those separately as well, they are called maintenance plans. Yeah you can buy just about anything. But he point is your car **INSURANCE** doesn't pay for maintenance or repairs.
You can buy car warranties that cover mechanical repairs.
Same for your house.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 03:55 PM (bN6TL)
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Warranty is not insurance. And even warranties don't cover routine maintenance. You can buy those separately as well, they are called maintenance plans. Yeah you can buy just about anything. But he point is your car **INSURANCE** doesn't pay for maintenance or repairs.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 03:58 PM (zgNJq)
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Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 03:52 PM (bN6TL)
A house that is properly repaired returns to its normal risk level.
This just isn't so for whole swaths of disease. Even remission isn't a return to baseline risk. No insurer considered a cold a preexisting condition. So the anology fails.
As for 2, this is my point. Let's say I get a hip replacement. When it wears down insurance covers a new one.
Now let's say I get new siding after a storm. Insurance won't replace it in 30 years just because it's worn down. There has to be another insurable event.
Basically the two aren't comparable in this case.
A house that is properly repaired returns to its normal risk level.
This just isn't so for whole swaths of disease. Even remission isn't a return to baseline risk. No insurer considered a cold a preexisting condition. So the anology fails.
As for 2, this is my point. Let's say I get a hip replacement. When it wears down insurance covers a new one.
Now let's say I get new siding after a storm. Insurance won't replace it in 30 years just because it's worn down. There has to be another insurable event.
Basically the two aren't comparable in this case.
Posted by: Tsrblke at July 19, 2017 03:58 PM (dzmBR)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 03:58 PM (3OIiX)
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How would you feel or hey, even think, about a plastic child doll for pedophiles to rape?
I 100% guarantee you that the biggest sellers of sexbots will be little kids, animals, and other ghastly perversions. Stuff you can't readily or legally get for real.
I 100% guarantee you that the biggest sellers of sexbots will be little kids, animals, and other ghastly perversions. Stuff you can't readily or legally get for real.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 03:58 PM (39g3+)
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257; you have seen flos' cervix? do tell.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 19, 2017 03:58 PM (KP5rU)
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and manatees and I will rip out with my teeth the throat of the first person who makes a speedboat joke about the manatees, so help me.
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 03:53 PM (mf5HN)
I once ran over a mantle with a garbage scow.
A very very very slow garbage scow.
....so I'm safe, right?
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 03:53 PM (mf5HN)
I once ran over a mantle with a garbage scow.
A very very very slow garbage scow.
....so I'm safe, right?
Posted by: naturalfake at July 19, 2017 03:58 PM (NyJwR)
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Shelley Moore Capito originally stood for the Senate as a self-described staunch opponent of Obamacare.
Once safely installed inside the D.C. Beltway, she has metamorphosized in under three years' time into a fervent defender and champion of Obamacare.
In other news, the Republican Party's wise elders are still wondering why voter enthusiasm for the GOP so dramatically waxes and wanes from election cycle to election cycle. It's a total mystery. Perhaps sunspots are somehow implicated.
Once safely installed inside the D.C. Beltway, she has metamorphosized in under three years' time into a fervent defender and champion of Obamacare.
In other news, the Republican Party's wise elders are still wondering why voter enthusiasm for the GOP so dramatically waxes and wanes from election cycle to election cycle. It's a total mystery. Perhaps sunspots are somehow implicated.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 19, 2017 03:58 PM (ujwCG)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 03:59 PM (3OIiX)
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If it's pushed back 2 years, yeah they could push it back another 2 years. But they'd have to actually vote to do it. And it would be hard to get 51 GOP senators to do that. Not impossible, but hard.
Posted by: #neverskankles
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What's funny is if you asked them this November 7, 2016, not one Republican Senator would tell you they couldn't pull that off.
Obviously there needs to be a wind down period, but politically I doubt one Republican would lose their election over something like that.
Plus, Democrats screaming hysterically and nobody losing coverage for 2 more years would be a political loss for their side
Posted by: #neverskankles
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What's funny is if you asked them this November 7, 2016, not one Republican Senator would tell you they couldn't pull that off.
Obviously there needs to be a wind down period, but politically I doubt one Republican would lose their election over something like that.
Plus, Democrats screaming hysterically and nobody losing coverage for 2 more years would be a political loss for their side
Posted by: Maritime at July 19, 2017 03:59 PM (mYJIs)
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oh, home owner's insurance.
The bank has insurance as part of the loan. They keep sending me letters I don't read. The payment is automatic. I just watch the bank balance.
The house is going to collapse from snow load one day. I want to be dead before that happens.
It's going to be close.
The bank has insurance as part of the loan. They keep sending me letters I don't read. The payment is automatic. I just watch the bank balance.
The house is going to collapse from snow load one day. I want to be dead before that happens.
It's going to be close.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 03:59 PM (m9X4Y)
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Just wait until someone figures out that blacks and asians tend to outlive whites, and declares living too long to be cultural appropriation...
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 04:00 PM (39g3+)
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Prior to Obama care something we all heard about constantly was that people couldn't leave their job and move to a different employer because they wouldn't be covered for a pre-existing condition. Also there was the fear that an 18-year-old who had a pre-existing condition such as a heart defect would not be able to get insurance once they left for college etc. That was absolutely ingrained in Americans minds and now that pre-existing conditions are barred from insurance considerations you will never get the majority of Americans to agree to go back to pre-Obama . I heard about pre-existing conditions from my own family prior to Obamacare constantly. It's the one thing that Trump and other politicians heard about on the campaign trail. Somewhere somehow Congress has to figure out away To keep a law for bidding insurance companies from using pre-existing conditions as a denial for insurance
Posted by: Jen the original at July 19, 2017 04:00 PM (zqdyZ)
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People using phones to read this are now screwed.
And MWNP, under whichever name he might be commenting, will now be triggered. Bigly.
And MWNP, under whichever name he might be commenting, will now be triggered. Bigly.
Posted by: Sporkatus at July 19, 2017 04:00 PM (eXSOZ)
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when the 2020 election is heating up they'll tackle the problem
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 19, 2017 03:54 PM (lKyWE)
Well, they have to see if Trump wins a second term before they commit themselves to actually being responsible for anything, so...
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 19, 2017 03:54 PM (lKyWE)
Well, they have to see if Trump wins a second term before they commit themselves to actually being responsible for anything, so...
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 04:00 PM (gwPgz)
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What's funny is if you asked them this November 7, 2016, not one Republican Senator would tell you they couldn't pull that off.
Obviously there needs to be a wind down period, but politically I doubt one Republican would lose their election over something like that.
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this shit just buys into the donks' world view. That a world without obamacare or government care is so scary.
that's bullshit. and it's a mistake. Because our debate is muddled by being framed by the lefts' world view.
Obviously there needs to be a wind down period, but politically I doubt one Republican would lose their election over something like that.
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this shit just buys into the donks' world view. That a world without obamacare or government care is so scary.
that's bullshit. and it's a mistake. Because our debate is muddled by being framed by the lefts' world view.
Posted by: andrew jarbacka at July 19, 2017 04:00 PM (AU4SY)
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Sounds like some of you guys married the wrong women
Posted by: NCKate at July 19, 2017 04:00 PM (2R5JV)
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 19, 2017 04:00 PM (MduLE)
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.@KatyTurNBC to Kris Kobach: Are you saying Hillary Clinton didn't win the popular vote?
Kobach [vice chair of vote fraud commission]: "We may never know the answer"
Kobach [vice chair of vote fraud commission]: "We may never know the answer"
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at July 19, 2017 04:01 PM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 19, 2017 04:01 PM (IqV8l)
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Rabble. Sorry folks, won't happen again.
Not sure how to undo this.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
Iz ok. You can't. Cob or Ace level.
Not sure how to undo this.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
Iz ok. You can't. Cob or Ace level.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 19, 2017 04:01 PM (G0G8s)
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290; not me!
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 19, 2017 04:01 PM (KP5rU)
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That would require the doctor to have two payment schedules.
They already do, not EVERYTHING is covered under insurance. Just about, but not actually every single thing.
They already do, not EVERYTHING is covered under insurance. Just about, but not actually every single thing.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 04:01 PM (39g3+)
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I need more beer for that day.
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Speaking of beer.
I made some home brew and just popped the first one over the weekend. It was a clone of Pliny the Elder. A very hoppy beer from the west coast.
I screwed up however. I did not have enough hop bags for the process and I had to improvise.
I used some of my kids old socks to hold the hops while steeping. Now that did not allow for full utilization of the alpha acids to be sure. But it did create a novel "tang".
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Speaking of beer.
I made some home brew and just popped the first one over the weekend. It was a clone of Pliny the Elder. A very hoppy beer from the west coast.
I screwed up however. I did not have enough hop bags for the process and I had to improvise.
I used some of my kids old socks to hold the hops while steeping. Now that did not allow for full utilization of the alpha acids to be sure. But it did create a novel "tang".
Posted by: simplemind at July 19, 2017 04:01 PM (sD75F)
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285 Just wait until someone figures out that blacks and asians tend to outlive whites, and declares living too long to be cultural appropriation...
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 04:00 PM (39g3+)
Do the former? I would not be surprised about the latter, but I think the inner city culture of violence can be hazardous to one's health.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 04:00 PM (39g3+)
Do the former? I would not be surprised about the latter, but I think the inner city culture of violence can be hazardous to one's health.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 19, 2017 04:02 PM (ujg0T)
Posted by: naturalfake at July 19, 2017 04:02 PM (NyJwR)
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Well, they have to see if Trump wins a second term before they commit themselves to actually being responsible for anything, so...
If he wins then he's a lame duck so...
If he wins then he's a lame duck so...
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 04:02 PM (39g3+)
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To keep a law for bidding insurance companies from using pre-existing conditions as a denial for insurance
Posted by: Jen the original at July 19, 2017 04:00 PM (zqdyZ)
If ALL pre-existing conditions are deemed insurable without rate differentiation, then it is no longer insurance but has become a free shit welfare program!
Posted by: Jen the original at July 19, 2017 04:00 PM (zqdyZ)
If ALL pre-existing conditions are deemed insurable without rate differentiation, then it is no longer insurance but has become a free shit welfare program!
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 04:02 PM (gwPgz)
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Rabble. Sorry folks, won't happen again.
Not sure how to undo this.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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You can't undo it...but don't fret too much, it's happened, once, to almost everyone at some point.
Not sure how to undo this.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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You can't undo it...but don't fret too much, it's happened, once, to almost everyone at some point.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 19, 2017 04:02 PM (OdK9v)
Posted by: jayhawkone at July 19, 2017 04:02 PM (ZD+J8)
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I screwed up however. I did not have enough hop bags for the process and I had to improvise.
I used some of my kids old socks to hold the hops while steeping. Now that did not allow for full utilization of the alpha acids to be sure. But it did create a novel "tang".
Posted by: simplemind
I doubt Vinnie had that in mind for that recipe.
I used some of my kids old socks to hold the hops while steeping. Now that did not allow for full utilization of the alpha acids to be sure. But it did create a novel "tang".
Posted by: simplemind
I doubt Vinnie had that in mind for that recipe.
Posted by: Roy at July 19, 2017 04:02 PM (7n4KQ)
Posted by: Under Fire at July 19, 2017 04:02 PM (mcI77)
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katshit running for prezzy again. the son of a mail man will fix everything. then, eat all your fried chicken. while talking. then, he will give himself a haircut.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 19, 2017 04:03 PM (KP5rU)
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*noms on Mero's jugular vein*
Motorboating a mermaid and speedboating a manatee are not the same thing, right?
It's just... apparently some sailors might be confused on this point.
Posted by: Sporkatus at July 19, 2017 03:55 PM (eXSOZ)
Yeah. I mean, I love the mighty, mighty manatee, noblest of all God's creatures but just how lonely are you to think those are mermaids?
Obligatory motorboating link:
https://youtu.be/rqb-waQWQOo
(NSFW though technically no nudity)
Motorboating a mermaid and speedboating a manatee are not the same thing, right?
It's just... apparently some sailors might be confused on this point.
Posted by: Sporkatus at July 19, 2017 03:55 PM (eXSOZ)
Yeah. I mean, I love the mighty, mighty manatee, noblest of all God's creatures but just how lonely are you to think those are mermaids?
Obligatory motorboating link:
https://youtu.be/rqb-waQWQOo
(NSFW though technically no nudity)
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 04:03 PM (mf5HN)
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Jeebus, part deux.
Prior to O-care, in fact for several years following its passage, insurance companies had sold health insurance plans, based on actuarial science (the actual insurance part) and whatever disastrous package of state and federal mandates stacked on top (the pernicious regulation, welfare, cost-shifting part). When states and feds have added regulatory and welfare crap over the
last 2 decades, did Aetna suddenly not offer policies until they figured
everything out? No. Prices just went up. What magic in the reverse
process am I unaware of?
News flash: they know how to do this. Just give them current numbers on costs, and current mandates, and they can do it again. Tomorrow.
Nothing has changed about pricing their plans, they know how to do it, they just need the current inputs. It wouldn't take 2 years - it wouldn't take 2 months.
A "transition period" for the tiny number of people on O-care plans who wouldn't instantly jump back to their old style plans is fine. But whence this idea that an industry needs years to go back to doing things they've always done?
Prior to O-care, in fact for several years following its passage, insurance companies had sold health insurance plans, based on actuarial science (the actual insurance part) and whatever disastrous package of state and federal mandates stacked on top (the pernicious regulation, welfare, cost-shifting part). When states and feds have added regulatory and welfare crap over the
last 2 decades, did Aetna suddenly not offer policies until they figured
everything out? No. Prices just went up. What magic in the reverse
process am I unaware of?
News flash: they know how to do this. Just give them current numbers on costs, and current mandates, and they can do it again. Tomorrow.
Nothing has changed about pricing their plans, they know how to do it, they just need the current inputs. It wouldn't take 2 years - it wouldn't take 2 months.
A "transition period" for the tiny number of people on O-care plans who wouldn't instantly jump back to their old style plans is fine. But whence this idea that an industry needs years to go back to doing things they've always done?
Posted by: rhomboid at July 19, 2017 04:03 PM (QDnY+)
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290 Sounds like some of you guys married the wrong women
Posted by: NCKate at July 19, 2017 04:00 PM (2R5JV)
I plead guilty to that. Twice.... :-(
Posted by: NCKate at July 19, 2017 04:00 PM (2R5JV)
I plead guilty to that. Twice.... :-(
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 19, 2017 04:03 PM (ujg0T)
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The bank has insurance as part of the loan. They keep sending me letters I don't read. The payment is automatic. I just watch the bank balance.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 03:59 PM (m9X4Y)
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You should read them. The bank doesn't have insurance. You have insurance, the bank simply pays the premium on your behalf using money they keep in escrow.
You are ultimately responsible for your home insurance, not your bank. And you should shop around every year when it's time to renew, chances are you're way over paying.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 03:59 PM (m9X4Y)
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You should read them. The bank doesn't have insurance. You have insurance, the bank simply pays the premium on your behalf using money they keep in escrow.
You are ultimately responsible for your home insurance, not your bank. And you should shop around every year when it's time to renew, chances are you're way over paying.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 04:03 PM (zgNJq)
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I screwed up however. I did not have enough hop bags for the process .
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Could have used mouse droppings.
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Could have used mouse droppings.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 19, 2017 04:04 PM (OdK9v)
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So, I've been immersing myself in the great EU french fry banning controversy.
The tabloid Bild had a story on it today. Business Investors had a story last month in which an EU guy said "oh heavens forfend, we're not taking away your french fries. The Bild story seems credible.
Basically they're trying to mandate cooking methods that result in browned roasted or baked foods. So no crispy french fries, no overly roasted coffee, no bread which has been blackened.
It's all because of acrylamide, which is an alleged carcinogen produced by starches and sugars in the hot roasting process. So your yummy coffee has been killing you.
Anyway, I did not know what Belgian fries were. They cook them in fat twice, once at a lower temperature and then really high, so the soft on the inside and crunchy on the outside. They sound yummy.
Also something said something about using horse fat, which is cool. I didn't know that Belgians did cool things.
The Bild thing has a lot of specific information about the required cooking temperatures for bread, coffee and the fries, so I find it credible. The EU wants the Belgians first step to be to blanch the fries in water, which people say would ruin the Belgian fry.
The tabloid Bild had a story on it today. Business Investors had a story last month in which an EU guy said "oh heavens forfend, we're not taking away your french fries. The Bild story seems credible.
Basically they're trying to mandate cooking methods that result in browned roasted or baked foods. So no crispy french fries, no overly roasted coffee, no bread which has been blackened.
It's all because of acrylamide, which is an alleged carcinogen produced by starches and sugars in the hot roasting process. So your yummy coffee has been killing you.
Anyway, I did not know what Belgian fries were. They cook them in fat twice, once at a lower temperature and then really high, so the soft on the inside and crunchy on the outside. They sound yummy.
Also something said something about using horse fat, which is cool. I didn't know that Belgians did cool things.
The Bild thing has a lot of specific information about the required cooking temperatures for bread, coffee and the fries, so I find it credible. The EU wants the Belgians first step to be to blanch the fries in water, which people say would ruin the Belgian fry.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 19, 2017 04:04 PM (gIRsn)
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If he wins then he's a lame duck so...
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 04:02 PM (39g3+)
You broke the code:
Need the House
Need the Senate
Need the White House
Oops, need the White House for more than two consecutive terms
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 04:02 PM (39g3+)
You broke the code:
Need the House
Need the Senate
Need the White House
Oops, need the White House for more than two consecutive terms
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 04:04 PM (gwPgz)
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You want to use Primaries to affect change?
Bwahahahaha!!!
Ask Murkowski how scared she is.
Remember Mississippi?
Cantor? Now we have Ryan.
Bwahahahaha!!!
Ask Murkowski how scared she is.
Remember Mississippi?
Cantor? Now we have Ryan.
Posted by: GOPe at July 19, 2017 04:04 PM (XoldI)
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That would require the doctor to have two payment schedules.
They already do, not EVERYTHING is covered under insurance. Just about, but not actually every single thing.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
Yours does? Lucky you. Mine charged X amount an office visit. He didn't care how you paid. Cash or co-pay had better equal the total.
They already do, not EVERYTHING is covered under insurance. Just about, but not actually every single thing.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
Yours does? Lucky you. Mine charged X amount an office visit. He didn't care how you paid. Cash or co-pay had better equal the total.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 19, 2017 04:05 PM (G0G8s)
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I'm just not optimistic here, and almost think something completely different needs to be tried like maybe everybody gets a voucher and they figure out their own health insurance needs.
There is just not the political will in this country (or any country) to truly have a free market health care system.
There is just not the political will in this country (or any country) to truly have a free market health care system.
Posted by: Maritime at July 19, 2017 04:05 PM (mYJIs)
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If ALL pre-existing conditions are deemed insurable without rate differentiation, then it is no longer insurance but has become a free shit welfare program!
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 04:02 PM (gwPgz)
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That's essentially what Obamacare is. We no longer have a health insurance market in this country. It's govt run insurance with Aetna, and Blue Cross acting as the payment processors on behalf of the govt.
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 04:02 PM (gwPgz)
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That's essentially what Obamacare is. We no longer have a health insurance market in this country. It's govt run insurance with Aetna, and Blue Cross acting as the payment processors on behalf of the govt.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 04:05 PM (zgNJq)
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"I did not have enough hop bags for the process and I had to improvise. I used some of my kids old socks to hold the hops while steeping."
Brewing with wild yeast strains is apparently a thing now.
I think I'll stick to the tried and true brewers' yeasts, though.
Just not hankering for a Toe Jam Trippel.
Brewing with wild yeast strains is apparently a thing now.
I think I'll stick to the tried and true brewers' yeasts, though.
Just not hankering for a Toe Jam Trippel.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 19, 2017 04:05 PM (ujwCG)
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The shooting by the Minnesota Somali cop reminds me of an episode of the t.v. series Sledge Hammer.
Vigilante cop, trying to recruit Investigator Hammer to make a hit on a female DA: "Do you have any reservations about killing a woman?"
Hammer: "You have to make reservations??"
Vigilante cop, trying to recruit Investigator Hammer to make a hit on a female DA: "Do you have any reservations about killing a woman?"
Hammer: "You have to make reservations??"
Posted by: fly gal at July 19, 2017 04:05 PM (8TdcF)
Posted by: Hate Has No Homo at July 19, 2017 04:05 PM (psH+N)
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oh and naturalfake, don't worry. I'm known for my forgiven disposition.
Bander, Belgian fries sounds delicious. Just need cheese and gravy on them too.
Bander, Belgian fries sounds delicious. Just need cheese and gravy on them too.
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 04:06 PM (mf5HN)
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You want to use Primaries to affect change?
Bwahahahaha!!!
Ask Murkowski how scared she is.
Remember Mississippi?
Cantor? Now we have Ryan.
Posted by: GOPe
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I like the ida of a strategic, conservative 3rd party. Ace has alluded to this before.
That would actually scare them but my fear is if it was haphazardardly deployed it would just elect a bunch of Democrats
Bwahahahaha!!!
Ask Murkowski how scared she is.
Remember Mississippi?
Cantor? Now we have Ryan.
Posted by: GOPe
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I like the ida of a strategic, conservative 3rd party. Ace has alluded to this before.
That would actually scare them but my fear is if it was haphazardardly deployed it would just elect a bunch of Democrats
Posted by: Maritime at July 19, 2017 04:07 PM (mYJIs)
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"@KatyTurNBC to Kris Kobach: Are you saying Hillary Clinton didn't win the popular vote?"
References to Katy Tur and motorboating in the same thread. Hmm.
References to Katy Tur and motorboating in the same thread. Hmm.
Posted by: Benji Carver at July 19, 2017 04:07 PM (OD2ni)
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And here's video of Mariah Carey as the congressional republicans...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k55CrFzL95U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k55CrFzL95U
Posted by: Dang at July 19, 2017 04:07 PM (8b+oT)
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Jee-Sus! What a fricking totalitarian nightmare we are free falling into.
Stay safe and frosty from this heat.
Stay safe and frosty from this heat.
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at July 19, 2017 04:07 PM (2qHjF)
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>>A "transition period" for the tiny number of people on O-care plans who wouldn't instantly jump back to their old style plans is fine. But whence this idea that an industry needs years to go back to doing things they've always done?
That would be correct if we were going back to the old system with no changes. We aren't.
There is simply no way that is going to happen. Changes will be made and pretending there won't be changes is just whistling past the graveyard.
That would be correct if we were going back to the old system with no changes. We aren't.
There is simply no way that is going to happen. Changes will be made and pretending there won't be changes is just whistling past the graveyard.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2017 04:07 PM (/tuJf)
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If Trump insists on replace he should send Congress a one line "stopgap" replacement bill: "All federal impediments to free markets for medical services or medical insurance are hereby rescinded."
He can say that it is just a relief-valve measure, to allow markets to ease whatever difficulties may arise in the transition between repeal and replace, since these two steps are being taken separately and it looks like it could take a while to agree on what replace should look like.
When the one-line deregulation quickly and dramatically lowers prices and expands access it will set a bar that other proposed replacements can't match and will become the de facto permanent replacement.
He can say that it is just a relief-valve measure, to allow markets to ease whatever difficulties may arise in the transition between repeal and replace, since these two steps are being taken separately and it looks like it could take a while to agree on what replace should look like.
When the one-line deregulation quickly and dramatically lowers prices and expands access it will set a bar that other proposed replacements can't match and will become the de facto permanent replacement.
Posted by: Alec Rawls at July 19, 2017 04:08 PM (AphMS)
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I've just never been big on telling my neighbor how much money he "owes" somebody else.
Having Government do it for me - because somebody "needs" it - doesn't light my fire either.
It's cowardly. At least a thief does his own stealing.
Having Government do it for me - because somebody "needs" it - doesn't light my fire either.
It's cowardly. At least a thief does his own stealing.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 19, 2017 04:08 PM (GoNER)
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W h y t h e l a r g e m a r g i n e s ?
Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2017 04:08 PM (9g/6M)
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The fatal flaw to me in opposing O-Care was focusing on the mandate. That's what everyone was screaming about....mandate, mandate, mandate and how your right to not buy something was taken away.
But by focusing on that, people ignored, or glossed over the fact that o-Care eliminated all risk from insurance. If you smoke 3 packs a day and weigh 400 lbs you pay the same as someone who never smoked a day in his life and runs 2 miles every day. And on top of that, single men and menopausal women have to buy maternity coverage.
That's what makes O-Care awful, not the mandate.
But by focusing on that, people ignored, or glossed over the fact that o-Care eliminated all risk from insurance. If you smoke 3 packs a day and weigh 400 lbs you pay the same as someone who never smoked a day in his life and runs 2 miles every day. And on top of that, single men and menopausal women have to buy maternity coverage.
That's what makes O-Care awful, not the mandate.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 04:08 PM (zgNJq)
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That would actually scare them but my fear is if it was haphazardardly deployed it would just elect a bunch of Democrats
Posted by: Maritime at July 19, 2017 04:07 PM (mYJIs)
Given the way US elections work, it would. :-(
Perhaps we need the political equivalent of the Good Housekeeping symbol for candidates worth voting for, or worth donations.
Posted by: Maritime at July 19, 2017 04:07 PM (mYJIs)
Given the way US elections work, it would. :-(
Perhaps we need the political equivalent of the Good Housekeeping symbol for candidates worth voting for, or worth donations.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 19, 2017 04:08 PM (ujg0T)
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Somebody please nuke comment 220. Thanks in advance.
Posted by: Insomniac, Pimp Hand of the Patriarchy at July 19, 2017 04:08 PM (0mRoj)
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Need the House
Need the Senate
Need the White House
Oops, need the White House for more than two consecutive terms
We still cant do it, all those judges out there, we have to replace all the judges....
Sounds like some of you guys married the wrong women
Phoebe Cates and Molly Ringwald were already taken
Need the Senate
Need the White House
Oops, need the White House for more than two consecutive terms
We still cant do it, all those judges out there, we have to replace all the judges....
Sounds like some of you guys married the wrong women
Phoebe Cates and Molly Ringwald were already taken
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 04:09 PM (39g3+)
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If ALL pre-existing conditions are deemed insurable without rate
differentiation, then it is no longer insurance but has become a free
shit welfare program!
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 04:02 PM (gwPgz)
Fine...have rate differentiation. Just not wholesale denial. It's a problem and has been a problem waaaay before O'care.
R's will go down in flames without some nod to it.
differentiation, then it is no longer insurance but has become a free
shit welfare program!
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 04:02 PM (gwPgz)
Fine...have rate differentiation. Just not wholesale denial. It's a problem and has been a problem waaaay before O'care.
R's will go down in flames without some nod to it.
Posted by: Tami, Public Ineffectual at July 19, 2017 04:09 PM (Enq6K)
Posted by: The Clydesdales at July 19, 2017 04:09 PM (OdK9v)
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310 The bank has insurance as part of the loan. They keep sending me letters I don't read. The payment is automatic. I just watch the bank balance.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 03:59 PM (m9X4Y)
If you have 20% equity in you house, you are not required to carry the insurance.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 03:59 PM (m9X4Y)
If you have 20% equity in you house, you are not required to carry the insurance.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 04:09 PM (bN6TL)
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News flash: they know how to do this. Just give them current numbers on costs, and current mandates, and they can do it again. Tomorrow.
Nothing has changed about pricing their plans, they know how to do it, they just need the current inputs. It wouldn't take 2 years - it wouldn't take 2 months.
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yup.
the GOP is negotiating per their usual strategy: "We're scared shitless of our own values and embarassed about our base and we sorta think the democrats are right about most things"
This is bullshit, there is no value to keeping Obamacare for 2 years bc yuh scared. The shit sucks and works retarded.
I get that coming up with a "better" plan that the capitalist system pre-o-care is hard. That's why no one did o-care until the donks engineered themselves a once a century majority by using the following non-health care issues:
1. obama is like black but a not scary centrist who is a near-god genius
2. some gop congressmen are gay
3. hey, wow, look at how we won these recounts, weird huh? Ok, too late now to look again.
4. Man, weird how these prosecutors keep coming up with fake crimes to take down safe gop lawmakers.
Nothing has changed about pricing their plans, they know how to do it, they just need the current inputs. It wouldn't take 2 years - it wouldn't take 2 months.
***
yup.
the GOP is negotiating per their usual strategy: "We're scared shitless of our own values and embarassed about our base and we sorta think the democrats are right about most things"
This is bullshit, there is no value to keeping Obamacare for 2 years bc yuh scared. The shit sucks and works retarded.
I get that coming up with a "better" plan that the capitalist system pre-o-care is hard. That's why no one did o-care until the donks engineered themselves a once a century majority by using the following non-health care issues:
1. obama is like black but a not scary centrist who is a near-god genius
2. some gop congressmen are gay
3. hey, wow, look at how we won these recounts, weird huh? Ok, too late now to look again.
4. Man, weird how these prosecutors keep coming up with fake crimes to take down safe gop lawmakers.
Posted by: andrew jarbacka at July 19, 2017 04:09 PM (AU4SY)
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@skip
Me. I was making a cyborg reference from the book 'Hardwired'. Didn't realize that was how margins get 'orally pleasure'
On the plus side, someone left some candy here in the barrel.
Me. I was making a cyborg reference from the book 'Hardwired'. Didn't realize that was how margins get 'orally pleasure'
On the plus side, someone left some candy here in the barrel.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 04:09 PM (3OIiX)
Posted by: Dang, scratching his balls at July 19, 2017 04:09 PM (8b+oT)
Posted by: McCool at July 19, 2017 04:09 PM (KvRqW)
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When the one-line deregulation quickly and dramatically lowers prices and expands access it will set a bar that other proposed replacements can't match and will become the de facto permanent replacement.
Posted by: Alec Rawls at July 19, 2017 04:08 PM (AphMS)
Great idea but it does nothing to preserve the Congressional graft!
Posted by: Alec Rawls at July 19, 2017 04:08 PM (AphMS)
Great idea but it does nothing to preserve the Congressional graft!
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 04:09 PM (gwPgz)
342
55 a masterbatin pete sighting. everybody was talking about you last night.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 19, 2017 03:23 PM (KP5rU)
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Found it. Apparently someone quoted me without attribution or something? I dunno.
I was also accused of being #nevertrump, which isn't true. I didn't want him to get the nomination, I didn't think that he would win in the general, I was frustrated with his constant unforced errors, I rolled my eyes at the 9-dimensional chess excuses for his missteps, and I cautioned that he'd go back on a lot of promises, but I always thought he was better than the alternative.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 19, 2017 03:23 PM (KP5rU)
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Found it. Apparently someone quoted me without attribution or something? I dunno.
I was also accused of being #nevertrump, which isn't true. I didn't want him to get the nomination, I didn't think that he would win in the general, I was frustrated with his constant unforced errors, I rolled my eyes at the 9-dimensional chess excuses for his missteps, and I cautioned that he'd go back on a lot of promises, but I always thought he was better than the alternative.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at July 19, 2017 04:10 PM (xN1DB)
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A "frigid" setting on a sexbot? Shit, just get married.
Posted by: Insomniac, Pimp Hand of the Patriarchy at July 19, 2017 04:10 PM (0mRoj)
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319
The shooting by the Minnesota Somali cop reminds me of an episode of the t.v. series Sledge Hammer.
Vigilante cop, trying to recruit Investigator Hammer to make a hit
on a female DA: "Do you have any reservations about killing a woman?"
Hammer: "You have to make reservations??"
Posted by: fly gal at July 19, 2017 04:05 PM (8TdcF)
That show was hysterical!
The shooting by the Minnesota Somali cop reminds me of an episode of the t.v. series Sledge Hammer.
Vigilante cop, trying to recruit Investigator Hammer to make a hit
on a female DA: "Do you have any reservations about killing a woman?"
Hammer: "You have to make reservations??"
Posted by: fly gal at July 19, 2017 04:05 PM (8TdcF)
That show was hysterical!
Posted by: Tami, Public Ineffectual at July 19, 2017 04:10 PM (Enq6K)
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1st: Repeal Obamacare in whole. This will satisfy the many people, such as myself, who simply want to get rid of that disaster.
2nd: Enable and empower the free market, doctors, and non-profits to come up will real solutions. Giving people the freedom to come up with novel and perhaps revolutionary arrangements or healthcare alternatives by reducing regulatory burdens and requirements, allowing people to purchase insurance across state lines, making healthcare plans portable between jobs (such as by making healthcare costs an above the line deduction), &c., amongst a myriad of possibilities will give people choices and the opportunity for something better.
3rd: Phase out the Obamacare repeal over a suitable amount of time, so as to let the free market and empowered doctors and others develop alternatives and to give those alternatives time to work. This will assuage the concern many have of dealing with the unknown when it comes to affordability and availability of healthcare after Obamacare is repealed.
4th: Allow people on Obamacare plans to keep their plans by grandfathering them in. This is the perfect response to the lie that Obamacare would "let you keep your plan" if you liked it.
5th: Make it clear that issues not addressed by the free market before Obamacare is finally phased out will be addressed by appropriate legislation. Such legislation will be specifically targeted to address those issues without interrupting the good that the market can provide. Additionally, since this is based on future outcomes, no specific proposals can be made, so no potentially politically dangerous plans can even be offered. Slap together some "blue ribbon committee" and throw in some token Dems to "monitor the situation" to play up the bipartisan angle.
6th: Medicare and Medicaid ought to be treated as a separate issue.
2nd: Enable and empower the free market, doctors, and non-profits to come up will real solutions. Giving people the freedom to come up with novel and perhaps revolutionary arrangements or healthcare alternatives by reducing regulatory burdens and requirements, allowing people to purchase insurance across state lines, making healthcare plans portable between jobs (such as by making healthcare costs an above the line deduction), &c., amongst a myriad of possibilities will give people choices and the opportunity for something better.
3rd: Phase out the Obamacare repeal over a suitable amount of time, so as to let the free market and empowered doctors and others develop alternatives and to give those alternatives time to work. This will assuage the concern many have of dealing with the unknown when it comes to affordability and availability of healthcare after Obamacare is repealed.
4th: Allow people on Obamacare plans to keep their plans by grandfathering them in. This is the perfect response to the lie that Obamacare would "let you keep your plan" if you liked it.
5th: Make it clear that issues not addressed by the free market before Obamacare is finally phased out will be addressed by appropriate legislation. Such legislation will be specifically targeted to address those issues without interrupting the good that the market can provide. Additionally, since this is based on future outcomes, no specific proposals can be made, so no potentially politically dangerous plans can even be offered. Slap together some "blue ribbon committee" and throw in some token Dems to "monitor the situation" to play up the bipartisan angle.
6th: Medicare and Medicaid ought to be treated as a separate issue.
Posted by: The Repealing Hat at July 19, 2017 04:10 PM (vBeA5)
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 19, 2017 04:10 PM (ul9CR)
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So this "Detroit" movie,the white man caused the riots,some evil plot??
Posted by: steevy at July 19, 2017 04:10 PM (rmVvL)
348
338 @skip
Me. I was making a cyborg reference from the book 'Hardwired'. Didn't realize that was how margins get 'orally pleasure'
On the plus side, someone left some candy here in the barrel.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 04:09 PM (3OIiX)
Pssst. That's not candy...
Me. I was making a cyborg reference from the book 'Hardwired'. Didn't realize that was how margins get 'orally pleasure'
On the plus side, someone left some candy here in the barrel.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 04:09 PM (3OIiX)
Pssst. That's not candy...
Posted by: Insomniac, Pimp Hand of the Patriarchy at July 19, 2017 04:11 PM (0mRoj)
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"324 And here's video of Mariah Carey as the congressional republicans...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k55CrFzL95U
Posted by: Dang"
Yikes. I know we all get old, but wow. Those poor dudes having to carry tubby Mariah on their backs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k55CrFzL95U
Posted by: Dang"
Yikes. I know we all get old, but wow. Those poor dudes having to carry tubby Mariah on their backs.
Posted by: Benji Carver at July 19, 2017 04:11 PM (OD2ni)
350
Felony embiggening.
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at July 19, 2017 04:11 PM (Nwg0u)
351
Jen, no, uninsurable conditions are, um, uninsurable.
Welfare, a safety net, is the answer - not wrecking (well, further wrecking, considering all the cost-shifting and mandates that long ago wrecked health insurance markets) the real insurance markets.
Everyone benefits if insurance covers only insurable things. Certain pre-existing conditions are not insurable (um, duh, definitionally).
And the Great National Angst about pre-existing conditions can be taken care of directly. Govt.-underwritten "insurance". Done.
And just for fun, you can look at the actual history of actual efforts to address this "problem" (which exists, but is small). High-risk pools. State-level programs. Even O-care sign-ups themselves that could be categorized as in this area. You'll see ..... not much. Check WeirdDave's (very abbreviated) Twitter post the other day about this and related topics. He has some of the numbers there.
Welfare, a safety net, is the answer - not wrecking (well, further wrecking, considering all the cost-shifting and mandates that long ago wrecked health insurance markets) the real insurance markets.
Everyone benefits if insurance covers only insurable things. Certain pre-existing conditions are not insurable (um, duh, definitionally).
And the Great National Angst about pre-existing conditions can be taken care of directly. Govt.-underwritten "insurance". Done.
And just for fun, you can look at the actual history of actual efforts to address this "problem" (which exists, but is small). High-risk pools. State-level programs. Even O-care sign-ups themselves that could be categorized as in this area. You'll see ..... not much. Check WeirdDave's (very abbreviated) Twitter post the other day about this and related topics. He has some of the numbers there.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 19, 2017 04:11 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 04:11 PM (3OIiX)
353
Perhaps we need the political equivalent of the Good Housekeeping symbol for candidates worth voting for, or worth donations.
A red checkmark
Perhaps we need the political equivalent of the Good Housekeeping symbol for candidates worth voting for, or worth donations.
A red checkmark
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 19, 2017 04:11 PM (lKyWE)
354
292 .@KatyTurNBC to Kris Kobach: Are you saying Hillary Clinton didn't win the popular vote?
Kobach [vice chair of vote fraud commission]: "We may never know the answer"
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at July 19, 2017 04:01 PM (Nwg0u)
*facepalm*
Dumbass. The correct answer is "Who cares? We don't elect Presidents via a nationwide popular vote, so it's irrelevant. If you don't like it, Constitutional Amendment, you stupid scrunt."
In fact, out of the top 30 most developed nations in the world, only two have direct elections of their head of government (France and S Korea).
Besides, any journalist who held Keith Olbermann's balls in her hand by choice isn't exactly someone you can take seriously.
292 .@KatyTurNBC to Kris Kobach: Are you saying Hillary Clinton didn't win the popular vote?
Kobach [vice chair of vote fraud commission]: "We may never know the answer"
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at July 19, 2017 04:01 PM (Nwg0u)
*facepalm*
Dumbass. The correct answer is "Who cares? We don't elect Presidents via a nationwide popular vote, so it's irrelevant. If you don't like it, Constitutional Amendment, you stupid scrunt."
In fact, out of the top 30 most developed nations in the world, only two have direct elections of their head of government (France and S Korea).
Besides, any journalist who held Keith Olbermann's balls in her hand by choice isn't exactly someone you can take seriously.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 19, 2017 04:11 PM (veoSD)
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Some trash from the past:
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/308105.php
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/309253.php
(Get bent! It almost rhymes!)
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/308105.php
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/309253.php
(Get bent! It almost rhymes!)
Posted by: andycanuck #CNNisISIS at July 19, 2017 04:12 PM (nlbfN)
356
I also think that the whole sell policies across state lines is a lot of hype. Big players like Aetna, BCBS, United etc already operate in all 57 states. Not sure how allowing Aetna Illinois to sell policies in Iowa vs having Aetna Iowa sell policies in Iowa will change anything.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 04:12 PM (zgNJq)
357
324 And here's video of Mariah Carey as the congressional republicans...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k55CrFzL95U
Posted by: Dang"
Yikes. I know we all get old, but wow. Those poor dudes having to carry tubby Mariah on their backs.
Posted by: Benji Carver
-----
Looked like the navy rescuing a beached whale.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k55CrFzL95U
Posted by: Dang"
Yikes. I know we all get old, but wow. Those poor dudes having to carry tubby Mariah on their backs.
Posted by: Benji Carver
-----
Looked like the navy rescuing a beached whale.
Posted by: Dang at July 19, 2017 04:12 PM (8b+oT)
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 19, 2017 04:12 PM (ul9CR)
359
Rush also pointed out the insurance companies bought into Obama Care wholesale, what could go wrong if everyone had to buy insurance? And the goverment covered the risks?
Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2017 04:13 PM (9g/6M)
360
Oh God...somebody needs to get medical help, ASAP.
==========
What kind of insurance do you have sir?
I see.
Muldoon we got one for you.
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What kind of insurance do you have sir?
I see.
Muldoon we got one for you.
Posted by: simplemind at July 19, 2017 04:13 PM (Qpmvd)
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227 ModernBodyModernBodyModernBodyModernBody
Work it
Make it
Do it
Make us
Harder
Better
Faster
Stronger
Posted by: Sporkatus at July 19, 2017 03:52 PM (eXSOZ)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFxyYYRqobw
Work it
Make it
Do it
Make us
Harder
Better
Faster
Stronger
Posted by: Sporkatus at July 19, 2017 03:52 PM (eXSOZ)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFxyYYRqobw
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 19, 2017 04:13 PM (hcyUh)
362
If you have 20% equity in you house, you are not required to carry the insurance.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 04:09 PM (bN6TL)
It was part of the loan agreement.
I'm paying too much interest too.
Should have refinanced when rates were half of what I'm paying.
I can't handle interpersonal relations very well. About the best I can do is with the nice lady at the grocery running the checkout scanner and she has to be nice as part of her job.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 04:09 PM (bN6TL)
It was part of the loan agreement.
I'm paying too much interest too.
Should have refinanced when rates were half of what I'm paying.
I can't handle interpersonal relations very well. About the best I can do is with the nice lady at the grocery running the checkout scanner and she has to be nice as part of her job.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 04:13 PM (m9X4Y)
363
352 *spits out*
Oh God...somebody needs to get medical help, ASAP.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
Bad timing considering we're talking about shitty ocare.
Oh God...somebody needs to get medical help, ASAP.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
Bad timing considering we're talking about shitty ocare.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 19, 2017 04:13 PM (G0G8s)
Posted by: J. Sessions at July 19, 2017 04:13 PM (mcI77)
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>>The Repealing Hat at July 19, 2017 04:10 PM (vBeA5)
Sounds good, just one thing.
The vast majority of new people on Ocare are on Medicaid. What are you going to do about that?
Why people keep overlooking this simple thing when it is the very reason there are at least 4 Republican Senators voting no is a mystery. It's all easy until you have to solve that problem.
Sounds good, just one thing.
The vast majority of new people on Ocare are on Medicaid. What are you going to do about that?
Why people keep overlooking this simple thing when it is the very reason there are at least 4 Republican Senators voting no is a mystery. It's all easy until you have to solve that problem.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2017 04:13 PM (/tuJf)
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I'm tired of hearing that "once you give people free shit, you can't take it away from them." What's so free about Ocare? Premiums and co-pays have gone up and many people can't even 'access" their "free shit" because the deductible is too fucking high. It's total bullshit and the Republicans just don't want to put their stamp on it's removal.
Say this for Obama. His AFA is a shit show, but he wasn't afraid to put his name on it...
Say this for Obama. His AFA is a shit show, but he wasn't afraid to put his name on it...
Posted by: JoeF. at July 19, 2017 04:13 PM (7uYFy)
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*noms on Mero's jugular vein*
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 04:03 PM (mf5HN)
So, basically, as planned, I got a hickey from ATC.
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 04:03 PM (mf5HN)
So, basically, as planned, I got a hickey from ATC.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 04:14 PM (wB8Tg)
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Which puts huge pressure on Democrats to play ball.
...........
Yeah, Ace.. that strategy worked so well with sequester, didn't it?
GOP - "Oh the Dems will be forced to deal with us in a bipartisan manner.. they won't ever let sequester come to be.."
...........
Yeah, Ace.. that strategy worked so well with sequester, didn't it?
GOP - "Oh the Dems will be forced to deal with us in a bipartisan manner.. they won't ever let sequester come to be.."
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 19, 2017 04:14 PM (so+oy)
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So this "Detroit" movie,the white man caused the riots,some evil plot??
Evil racist mf'ers in the cops and population caused the Detroit riots, yeah. But the following years where they just didn't bother rebuilding and the town went from Paris of the midwest, richest city in the country to a craphole where bears wander the streets? That's not on white people.
Evil racist mf'ers in the cops and population caused the Detroit riots, yeah. But the following years where they just didn't bother rebuilding and the town went from Paris of the midwest, richest city in the country to a craphole where bears wander the streets? That's not on white people.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 04:14 PM (39g3+)
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A real marketplace by definition would mean higher premiums for higher risk. Why is that so unfair? We all have risk factors. It is pure insanity to pretend we don't. Prexisting conditions apply to everyone.
Posted by: USNtakim at July 19, 2017 04:14 PM (zZWkn)
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So this "Detroit" movie,the white man caused the riots,some evil plot??
I haven't been sure from the previews whether "Utter cockmangling incompetence" or "teh ebil" is being presented as The Reason Why. Not that either is necessarily factual. It muddies the waters somewhat that supposedly some of the same people as Zero Dark Thirty and The Hurt Locker(?) are involved, so you wouldn't expect it to be an SJW whinge-fest per se...
I haven't been sure from the previews whether "Utter cockmangling incompetence" or "teh ebil" is being presented as The Reason Why. Not that either is necessarily factual. It muddies the waters somewhat that supposedly some of the same people as Zero Dark Thirty and The Hurt Locker(?) are involved, so you wouldn't expect it to be an SJW whinge-fest per se...
Posted by: Sporkatus at July 19, 2017 04:14 PM (eXSOZ)
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Re, the last outrageous violation mentioned (forfeiture), Iowahawk retweeted an interesting comparison of the value of Federal seizures under forfeiture to the value of stolen goods from burglaries.
Guess which is higher in value?
https://twitter.com/namath1234/status/887393255645642753
Guess which is higher in value?
https://twitter.com/namath1234/status/887393255645642753
Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at July 19, 2017 04:14 PM (LISuA)
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If you have 20% equity in you house, you are not required to carry the insurance.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 04:09 PM (bN6TL)
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You are confusing insurance with PMI (Private Mortgage Insurance), which is something completely different. No mortgage lender in their right mind would lend against a home without insurance.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 04:09 PM (bN6TL)
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You are confusing insurance with PMI (Private Mortgage Insurance), which is something completely different. No mortgage lender in their right mind would lend against a home without insurance.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 04:15 PM (zgNJq)
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Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 04:12 PM (zgNJq)
Theoretically it will create larger risk pools.
In practice it's really just an end run around state insurance regulations.
Theoretically it will create larger risk pools.
In practice it's really just an end run around state insurance regulations.
Posted by: Tsrblke at July 19, 2017 04:15 PM (dzmBR)
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But by focusing on that, people ignored, or glossed over the fact
that o-Care eliminated all risk from insurance. If you smoke 3 packs a
day and weigh 400 lbs you pay the same as someone who never smoked a day
in his life and runs 2 miles every day. And on top of that, single men
and menopausal women have to buy maternity coverage.
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And of course you are perfection -- with your 12 prescriptions for blood thinners/thickeners, another for mood elevation/calm, another for hiv/hepc/liver/, diabetes, and on and on.
The mandate was the disgust. Whose business is it who uses more or less health care?
But by focusing on that, people ignored, or glossed over the fact
that o-Care eliminated all risk from insurance. If you smoke 3 packs a
day and weigh 400 lbs you pay the same as someone who never smoked a day
in his life and runs 2 miles every day. And on top of that, single men
and menopausal women have to buy maternity coverage.
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And of course you are perfection -- with your 12 prescriptions for blood thinners/thickeners, another for mood elevation/calm, another for hiv/hepc/liver/, diabetes, and on and on.
The mandate was the disgust. Whose business is it who uses more or less health care?
Posted by: mustbequantum at July 19, 2017 04:15 PM (MIKMs)
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370 A real marketplace by definition would mean higher premiums for higher risk. Why is that so unfair? We all have risk factors. It is pure insanity to pretend we don't. Prexisting conditions apply to everyone.
Posted by: USNtakim at July 19, 2017 04:14 PM (zZWkn)
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Yeah but....FAIRNESS!!!
Posted by: USNtakim at July 19, 2017 04:14 PM (zZWkn)
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Yeah but....FAIRNESS!!!
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 04:15 PM (zgNJq)
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Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 19, 2017 04:13 PM (hcyUh)
I like the evil Chucky skeleton music video for Technologic, myself.
I like the evil Chucky skeleton music video for Technologic, myself.
Posted by: Sporkatus at July 19, 2017 04:15 PM (eXSOZ)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 04:15 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2017 04:16 PM (9g/6M)
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Posted by: Tami, Public Ineffectual at July 19, 2017 04:09 PM (Enq6K)
Problem is I haven't really heard anyone discuss the potential implementation of rate differentiation (I think because it isn't free shit). The other alternative is to admit it is actually free shit up front and put all pre-existing cases in a high risk pool that is actually designated as welfare not insurance. There is no clean solution, but you're right, the problem needs to be addressed.
Problem is I haven't really heard anyone discuss the potential implementation of rate differentiation (I think because it isn't free shit). The other alternative is to admit it is actually free shit up front and put all pre-existing cases in a high risk pool that is actually designated as welfare not insurance. There is no clean solution, but you're right, the problem needs to be addressed.
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 04:16 PM (gwPgz)
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don't know for sure pete. everybody is free to say how they feel. sometimes, people are just assholes. i try not to go there. others think they can change the world.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 19, 2017 04:16 PM (KP5rU)
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I still don't see what was so awful about how HIPPA handled pre-existing conditions and I'm someone with one.
Again, it wasn't perfect but nothing made by humans will be. I had to choose between living with my parents for a few months longer than necessary due to my COBRA payments being higher than rent would be and not being able to afford both and I know there are people who don't have that choice. But it was a workable solution.
Again, it wasn't perfect but nothing made by humans will be. I had to choose between living with my parents for a few months longer than necessary due to my COBRA payments being higher than rent would be and not being able to afford both and I know there are people who don't have that choice. But it was a workable solution.
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 04:16 PM (mf5HN)
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And of course you are perfection -- with your 12 prescriptions for blood thinners/thickeners, another for mood elevation/calm, another for hiv/hepc/liver/, diabetes, and on and on.
The mandate was the disgust. Whose business is it who uses more or less health care?
Posted by: mustbequantum at July 19, 2017 04:15 PM (MIKMs)
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I have no clue what you said.
The mandate was the disgust. Whose business is it who uses more or less health care?
Posted by: mustbequantum at July 19, 2017 04:15 PM (MIKMs)
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I have no clue what you said.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 04:16 PM (zgNJq)
Posted by: simplemind at July 19, 2017 04:16 PM (BL5jf)
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"It's a problem and has been a problem waaaay before O'care."
Let it be noted that well before Obama, there was a giant cost control problem in American health care.
Obamacare did nothing to fix this. Even Obama backers like Warren Buffett now admit to it. Obamacare loudly promised huge cost savings, but in reality it addressed none of the underlying cost drivers. All Obamacare actually did was shuffle costs around to different payors.
Unless the health care cost problem is genuinely gotten under control, we're all boned. And it's not clear that the Republican Party, and Trump, genuinely understand how to solve that problem, nor is it clear that they would have the courage to enact the radical reforms required to thus solve it.
Let it be noted that well before Obama, there was a giant cost control problem in American health care.
Obamacare did nothing to fix this. Even Obama backers like Warren Buffett now admit to it. Obamacare loudly promised huge cost savings, but in reality it addressed none of the underlying cost drivers. All Obamacare actually did was shuffle costs around to different payors.
Unless the health care cost problem is genuinely gotten under control, we're all boned. And it's not clear that the Republican Party, and Trump, genuinely understand how to solve that problem, nor is it clear that they would have the courage to enact the radical reforms required to thus solve it.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 19, 2017 04:16 PM (ujwCG)
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Political Hat, bravo.
Well, except for #3. At least break it into two tiers.
Many doctors, all insurance companies (if they feel like it, and see it as a profit path, now that their evil corporatist rent-seeking scheme of O-care is kaput), and all other players in the field are ready, tomorrow, to "adapt" to an O-care-free world.
For those who aren't, or don't want to, tough, or create another path. Sort of like your #4, for consumers.
Treat Medicaid separately (um, since it is completely separate, as a policy and fiscal matter).
This really isn't complicated. But it does highlight what a lazy, misinformed, greedy, unserious, stupid country the US has become in many respects.
Well, except for #3. At least break it into two tiers.
Many doctors, all insurance companies (if they feel like it, and see it as a profit path, now that their evil corporatist rent-seeking scheme of O-care is kaput), and all other players in the field are ready, tomorrow, to "adapt" to an O-care-free world.
For those who aren't, or don't want to, tough, or create another path. Sort of like your #4, for consumers.
Treat Medicaid separately (um, since it is completely separate, as a policy and fiscal matter).
This really isn't complicated. But it does highlight what a lazy, misinformed, greedy, unserious, stupid country the US has become in many respects.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 19, 2017 04:16 PM (QDnY+)
387
What kind of insurance do you have sir?
I see.
Muldoon we got one for you.
Posted by: simplemind at July 19, 2017 04:13 PM (Qpmvd)
Sounds like this case calls for a cashectomy.
I see.
Muldoon we got one for you.
Posted by: simplemind at July 19, 2017 04:13 PM (Qpmvd)
Sounds like this case calls for a cashectomy.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 04:17 PM (wB8Tg)
388
You what would be pretty funny?
If the pussified Republicans lose the House and the Democrats work out a deal with Trump.
And then Trump runs as a (D) in 2020
And fucking wins.....
If the pussified Republicans lose the House and the Democrats work out a deal with Trump.
And then Trump runs as a (D) in 2020
And fucking wins.....
Posted by: JoeF. at July 19, 2017 04:17 PM (7uYFy)
389
RE: Sex Robots
Without Drudge, I would be poorly informed about this vital new technology. WITH Drudge, however, I NEVER have to worry about that!
Without Drudge, I would be poorly informed about this vital new technology. WITH Drudge, however, I NEVER have to worry about that!
Posted by: mnw at July 19, 2017 04:17 PM (SNwMD)
390
I say again: Shelley Moore Capito is easy to get rid off. Just appoint her IRS commish or Secretary od Mining or something. Promote her.
And Murkowski? She was already primaried and beat the rap by going indie. She's untouchable.
And Murkowski? She was already primaried and beat the rap by going indie. She's untouchable.
Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at July 19, 2017 04:17 PM (LISuA)
Posted by: Dang at July 19, 2017 04:18 PM (8b+oT)
Posted by: andycanuck #CNNisISIS at July 19, 2017 04:18 PM (nlbfN)
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Not too much fan of the replace bill either.
The great thing about all this it proves a lot of GOPe types want National Health Care, but just lie their rear off about it.
Alaska is too red a state to have such a soft Republican.
It is my problem with the GOP. It is ok to push soft candidates in blue states. It is not ok for Alaska, South Carolina, Arizona, Texas, Tennessee, Kentucky etc. to have such people.
The Democrats don't have the problem. They make sure their blue state senators are the most lefty of the bunch. Which is why in the brief periods they have power in congress they get all sorts of things done. The GOP on the other hand with twice time gets half as much done.
This is what the GOP wants too...remember how they rammed Thad Cochran through in the Mississippi Senate race. They would have rammed Bush, Rubio or Kasich through in the presidential elections also if Trump had not shown up and made a wreck of the GOP plans.
The great thing about all this it proves a lot of GOPe types want National Health Care, but just lie their rear off about it.
Alaska is too red a state to have such a soft Republican.
It is my problem with the GOP. It is ok to push soft candidates in blue states. It is not ok for Alaska, South Carolina, Arizona, Texas, Tennessee, Kentucky etc. to have such people.
The Democrats don't have the problem. They make sure their blue state senators are the most lefty of the bunch. Which is why in the brief periods they have power in congress they get all sorts of things done. The GOP on the other hand with twice time gets half as much done.
This is what the GOP wants too...remember how they rammed Thad Cochran through in the Mississippi Senate race. They would have rammed Bush, Rubio or Kasich through in the presidential elections also if Trump had not shown up and made a wreck of the GOP plans.
Posted by: William Eaton at July 19, 2017 04:18 PM (MuTTO)
394
374 Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 04:12 PM (zgNJq)
Theoretically it will create larger risk pools.
In practice it's really just an end run around state insurance regulations.
Posted by: Tsrblke at July 19, 2017 04:15 PM (dzmBR)
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But that's my point, the risk pools won't get bigger. If you have 10M people in state A and 5M in state B, combining them to 15M doesn't increase it. Maybe it might save some money in administration costs, but other than that, it's negligible.
And even so, you'd still need each policy to conform to state regulations. Car insurance is sold "across state lines", but each state still has its own set of rules.
Theoretically it will create larger risk pools.
In practice it's really just an end run around state insurance regulations.
Posted by: Tsrblke at July 19, 2017 04:15 PM (dzmBR)
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But that's my point, the risk pools won't get bigger. If you have 10M people in state A and 5M in state B, combining them to 15M doesn't increase it. Maybe it might save some money in administration costs, but other than that, it's negligible.
And even so, you'd still need each policy to conform to state regulations. Car insurance is sold "across state lines", but each state still has its own set of rules.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 04:18 PM (zgNJq)
395
So, basically, as planned, I got a hickey from ATC.
Yeah, but its on your knee.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 04:15 PM (39g3+)
One takes what one can get these days!
Yeah, but its on your knee.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 04:15 PM (39g3+)
One takes what one can get these days!
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 04:19 PM (wB8Tg)
396
It's total bullshit and the Republicans just don't want to put their stamp on it's removal.
Say this for Obama. His AFA is a shit show, but he wasn't afraid to put his name on it...
Posted by: JoeF. at July 19, 2017 04:13 PM (7uYFy)
That's because we covered for Obama, and we have our guns aimed at your squishy Republicans.
Say this for Obama. His AFA is a shit show, but he wasn't afraid to put his name on it...
Posted by: JoeF. at July 19, 2017 04:13 PM (7uYFy)
That's because we covered for Obama, and we have our guns aimed at your squishy Republicans.
Posted by: Your "Betters" In the Media and Academia at July 19, 2017 04:19 PM (ujg0T)
397
Why people keep overlooking this simple thing when it is the very reason there are at least 4 Republican Senators voting no is a mystery. It's all easy until you have to solve that problem.
Posted by: JackStraw
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what I want to know, is that the real number?
I mean had say 4 more Republican Senators won last election, would we still be like 1 short?
It just seems like Kabuki to me.
And I also wonder are some hiding behind "not conservative enough!!!" as an excuse because they are afraid to touch ObamaCare and this is their poison pill.
Posted by: JackStraw
_________
what I want to know, is that the real number?
I mean had say 4 more Republican Senators won last election, would we still be like 1 short?
It just seems like Kabuki to me.
And I also wonder are some hiding behind "not conservative enough!!!" as an excuse because they are afraid to touch ObamaCare and this is their poison pill.
Posted by: Maritime at July 19, 2017 04:19 PM (mYJIs)
398
369: bullshit! whitey skipped town and stuck the real people with the tab. man, you need to pay better attention. detroit failed because, WHITEY!
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 19, 2017 04:19 PM (KP5rU)
399
392
Crap. I sent all those box tops of KABOOM in for the decoder ring and this is the secret message.
Crap. I sent all those box tops of KABOOM in for the decoder ring and this is the secret message.
Posted by: simplemind at July 19, 2017 04:19 PM (EVvtG)
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 04:19 PM (mf5HN)
401
Actually, just commanding them to cancel the recess is a good thing, if only for the optics. A small fire under their butts, perhaps?
Listening to Stanford's "The Revenge - A Ballad of the Fleet" as I work - good stuff. A cantata based on the poem by Tennyson.
"as the stately Spanish men..."
The best version I've found is the one by the BBC Orchestra of Wales with Richard Hickox conducting.
Listening to Stanford's "The Revenge - A Ballad of the Fleet" as I work - good stuff. A cantata based on the poem by Tennyson.
"as the stately Spanish men..."
The best version I've found is the one by the BBC Orchestra of Wales with Richard Hickox conducting.
Posted by: Skookumchuk at July 19, 2017 04:19 PM (TKmA0)
402
And one more thing.. These asshole GOPers have had seven fucking years to come up with a plan.. "Oh when we come to power we'll repeal and replace immediately".. yeah.. right..
I know most morons would be happy with repeal only.. but it would be political suicide for a number of Senators and lots of Reps.. Let's just hope Kennedy retires and Ginsburg leaves one way or another as well before 2018 elections.. cuz Trump will not be getting any more conservative nominees to the court afterwards.
And.. can you imagine Trump with Dem majorities in the House and Senate? He'll sign whatever Chucky Schumer puts under his nose because.. winning or something.
I know most morons would be happy with repeal only.. but it would be political suicide for a number of Senators and lots of Reps.. Let's just hope Kennedy retires and Ginsburg leaves one way or another as well before 2018 elections.. cuz Trump will not be getting any more conservative nominees to the court afterwards.
And.. can you imagine Trump with Dem majorities in the House and Senate? He'll sign whatever Chucky Schumer puts under his nose because.. winning or something.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 19, 2017 04:19 PM (so+oy)
403
Yeah but....FAIRNESS!!!
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 04:15 PM (zgNJq)
Hey, we're all created EQUAL right, so who are you to objectify me with a health insurance rate schedule based on my genetic make-up (you racist) or my life-style (body shaming)?
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 04:15 PM (zgNJq)
Hey, we're all created EQUAL right, so who are you to objectify me with a health insurance rate schedule based on my genetic make-up (you racist) or my life-style (body shaming)?
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 04:20 PM (gwPgz)
404
*spits out*
Oh God...somebody needs to get medical help, ASAP.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
Bad timing considering we're talking about shitty ocare.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 19, 2017 04:13 PM (G0G8s)
Don't I know it. These threads have an evil life of their own...
Oh God...somebody needs to get medical help, ASAP.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
Bad timing considering we're talking about shitty ocare.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 19, 2017 04:13 PM (G0G8s)
Don't I know it. These threads have an evil life of their own...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 04:20 PM (3OIiX)
Posted by: Dang at July 19, 2017 04:20 PM (8b+oT)
406
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 04:13 PM (m9X4Y)
It may be worth checking as I don't believe the law lets banks / mortgage companies force mortgage insurance on you if you've got that equity.
I could be totally wrong but that was my understanding.
It may be worth checking as I don't believe the law lets banks / mortgage companies force mortgage insurance on you if you've got that equity.
I could be totally wrong but that was my understanding.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 04:21 PM (bN6TL)
407
So, basically, as planned, I got a hickey from ATC.
Yeah, but its on your knee.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 04:15 PM (39g3+)
One takes what one can get these days!
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 04:19 PM (wB8Tg)
*opens new volume of Dwarven Book of Grudges*
Yeah, but its on your knee.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 04:15 PM (39g3+)
One takes what one can get these days!
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 04:19 PM (wB8Tg)
*opens new volume of Dwarven Book of Grudges*
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 04:21 PM (mf5HN)
408
Nice and roomy margins! mmmmmm
*rolls over and over to the right*
* rolls over and over to the left*
"roll, roll, roll in the margins!!"
*rolls over and over to the right*
* rolls over and over to the left*
"roll, roll, roll in the margins!!"
Posted by: Publius Redux at July 19, 2017 04:21 PM (Fb9aZ)
409
390; a cocaine conviction would certainly slow that bitch down a little. asset forfeiture wouldn't hurt either.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 19, 2017 04:21 PM (KP5rU)
410
And then Trump runs as a (D) in 2020
And fucking wins.....
Posted by: JoeF. at July 19, 2017 04:17 PM (7uYFy)
Not too far fetched, actually, if you imagine it as a whole new party made up of Trump and his faction, with the more sane, sick of the communist/SJW bullshit in their party Democrats. It's a huuuuge, luxurious voting bloc to capture.
And fucking wins.....
Posted by: JoeF. at July 19, 2017 04:17 PM (7uYFy)
Not too far fetched, actually, if you imagine it as a whole new party made up of Trump and his faction, with the more sane, sick of the communist/SJW bullshit in their party Democrats. It's a huuuuge, luxurious voting bloc to capture.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 19, 2017 04:21 PM (hcyUh)
411
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 04:18 PM (zgNJq
It's been a while since I read regs, but each state comprises its own risk pool now IIRC. So plans in each state are effectively isolated (can't take money from MO to shore up a failing IL market.) yes at the end of the day it goes to one balance sheet, but that's not really helpful to those whose plans have gone broke.
If you're somewhere with a bad individual market, you're boned. Expanding sales would at least fix this.
It's been a while since I read regs, but each state comprises its own risk pool now IIRC. So plans in each state are effectively isolated (can't take money from MO to shore up a failing IL market.) yes at the end of the day it goes to one balance sheet, but that's not really helpful to those whose plans have gone broke.
If you're somewhere with a bad individual market, you're boned. Expanding sales would at least fix this.
Posted by: Tsrblke at July 19, 2017 04:22 PM (dzmBR)
412
And.. can you imagine Trump with Dem majorities in the House and Senate? He'll sign whatever Chucky Schumer puts under his nose because.. winning or something.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 19, 2017 04:19 PM (so+oy)
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Yep. I hope I'm wrong, but I think Trump doesn't give a fuck what bills are sent to him. Be it Republican, Democrat, he just wants the WINS. I can't see him signing a 75% top marginal tax rate or anything crazy like that. But I can see him signing "common sense gun control" bills crafted by Chuck and Nancy.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 19, 2017 04:19 PM (so+oy)
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Yep. I hope I'm wrong, but I think Trump doesn't give a fuck what bills are sent to him. Be it Republican, Democrat, he just wants the WINS. I can't see him signing a 75% top marginal tax rate or anything crazy like that. But I can see him signing "common sense gun control" bills crafted by Chuck and Nancy.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 04:22 PM (zgNJq)
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398 369: bullshit! whitey skipped town and stuck the real people with the tab. man, you need to pay better attention. detroit failed because, WHITEY!
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 19, 2017 04:19 PM (KP5rU)
Someone is channeling Coleman Young here.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 19, 2017 04:19 PM (KP5rU)
Someone is channeling Coleman Young here.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 19, 2017 04:22 PM (ujg0T)
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I had a accident in my truck only a few months after I got it, had it fixed entirely. Over a year later backed into a pipe bollard and it wrecked all the same parts as the first accident. I wasn't going to fix it again so the quater panel and bumper are dinged up. I get new insurance company and then want them to cover that repair and the government says they can't charge me more for pre existing conditions so my rate doesn't change. Good thing is they don't charge me more, they charge all of you more.
Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2017 04:23 PM (9g/6M)
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"Imagine a finicky cat who won't eat the cat food. Well, take the cat
food away for a day and he's going to become a whole lot less finicky
about it."
Having just tried and failed to get an adopted obese cat to eat after almost 4 days of hunger strike, then having to tell the prior owner (who still kinda-sorta wanted him back) to come get him before hepatic lipidosis surely kills him, your feline analogy is...
...well, now that I think of it, it ain't bad. Just add that the Left are lazy, obese parasites - which they are - whose stubbornness risks their death.
PS
At last word, the cat is back home and eating like the ungrateful pig he is. There's yet another layer of lesson there.
food away for a day and he's going to become a whole lot less finicky
about it."
Having just tried and failed to get an adopted obese cat to eat after almost 4 days of hunger strike, then having to tell the prior owner (who still kinda-sorta wanted him back) to come get him before hepatic lipidosis surely kills him, your feline analogy is...
...well, now that I think of it, it ain't bad. Just add that the Left are lazy, obese parasites - which they are - whose stubbornness risks their death.
PS
At last word, the cat is back home and eating like the ungrateful pig he is. There's yet another layer of lesson there.
Posted by: doomed at July 19, 2017 04:23 PM (UW4Uc)
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413: yeah. him and that kwame dude.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 19, 2017 04:23 PM (KP5rU)
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at July 19, 2017 04:24 PM (Nwg0u)
418
There is no "fix" to this. People want research and innovation as well as cheap access to the best medicines and devices provided by the top professionals.
I got nothing for that.
We could pull patent protections to make what we have cheaper ... but that would kill research.
We could lower standards to bring in more providers ... but quality would drop.
We could allow employees to take cash instead of employer insurance to motivate them to shop policies ... but some of the fuckers will just pocket the money and use the ER.
I got nothing ... but everybody wants it perfect, cheap, now.
I got nothing for that.
We could pull patent protections to make what we have cheaper ... but that would kill research.
We could lower standards to bring in more providers ... but quality would drop.
We could allow employees to take cash instead of employer insurance to motivate them to shop policies ... but some of the fuckers will just pocket the money and use the ER.
I got nothing ... but everybody wants it perfect, cheap, now.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 19, 2017 04:24 PM (GoNER)
419
Insurance should be for emergencies, serious problems, catastrophes. Not just whatever ails you and absolutely not for "preventative medicine" or any of that crap. Just that would seriously reduce costs.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 03:52 PM (39g3+)
Would any prophlactic measure be cosidered "preventave medicine"? E.g., my heart doctor wants me to get a defibrillator implanted even though I have never had in instance of fibrillation. But my heart's ejection efficiency says that I am at risk, and it would probably kill me.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 03:52 PM (39g3+)
Would any prophlactic measure be cosidered "preventave medicine"? E.g., my heart doctor wants me to get a defibrillator implanted even though I have never had in instance of fibrillation. But my heart's ejection efficiency says that I am at risk, and it would probably kill me.
Posted by: bergerbilder at July 19, 2017 04:24 PM (lIZQs)
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It's been a while since I read regs, but each state comprises its own risk pool now IIRC. So plans in each state are effectively isolated (can't take money from MO to shore up a failing IL market.) yes at the end of the day it goes to one balance sheet, but that's not really helpful to those whose plans have gone broke.
If you're somewhere with a bad individual market, you're boned. Expanding sales would at least fix this.
Posted by: Tsrblke at July 19, 2017 04:22 PM (dzmBR)
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But why would a company in MO, sell a policy in IL in the first place? The reason IL is failing is because IL has a fucked up set of rules where insurers can't make money. If IL based companies can't make money, what makes you think a MO based company can? The real problem is state regulations, not the fact you can't sell across state lines.
If you're somewhere with a bad individual market, you're boned. Expanding sales would at least fix this.
Posted by: Tsrblke at July 19, 2017 04:22 PM (dzmBR)
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But why would a company in MO, sell a policy in IL in the first place? The reason IL is failing is because IL has a fucked up set of rules where insurers can't make money. If IL based companies can't make money, what makes you think a MO based company can? The real problem is state regulations, not the fact you can't sell across state lines.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 04:24 PM (zgNJq)
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 04:24 PM (MINbv)
422
*opens new volume of Dwarven Book of Grudges*
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 04:21 PM (mf5HN)
I like to have an entry in each volume.
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 04:21 PM (mf5HN)
I like to have an entry in each volume.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 04:25 PM (wB8Tg)
423
An armed revolutionary Marxist-Leninist movement aimed at rednecks. This should go well.
redneckrevolt.org
redneckrevolt.org
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at July 19, 2017 04:25 PM (fA1SL)
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Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 04:21 PM
Well, I would have to interact with real people, probably face to face, on their turf.
Here, on the blog. I'm not interacting with real people. I'm typing words on a computer screen.
A guy wrote a science fiction story about this a long time ago. Can't remember the guys name.
People didn't leave their safe spaces, and just interacted over a computer link. This was written before computers were invented.
On the internet, no one knows just how crazy the other guys is.
Well, I would have to interact with real people, probably face to face, on their turf.
Here, on the blog. I'm not interacting with real people. I'm typing words on a computer screen.
A guy wrote a science fiction story about this a long time ago. Can't remember the guys name.
People didn't leave their safe spaces, and just interacted over a computer link. This was written before computers were invented.
On the internet, no one knows just how crazy the other guys is.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 04:25 PM (m9X4Y)
425
I just don't see any way out of this and both of the outer wings of the party are to blame.
The Rand Pauls want a clean repeal, (so do I) but the votes aren't there. Period. So now it appears to be grandstanding.
The Collins and Murkowskis want nobody to have a single week of uncertainty from their free health care and will vote no on everything.
The end result will probably be Republicans lose Congress and some sort of Single Payer type plan emerges. I could even see Trump signing it. But each Republican side got to make damn sure they stood for their principles!
The Rand Pauls want a clean repeal, (so do I) but the votes aren't there. Period. So now it appears to be grandstanding.
The Collins and Murkowskis want nobody to have a single week of uncertainty from their free health care and will vote no on everything.
The end result will probably be Republicans lose Congress and some sort of Single Payer type plan emerges. I could even see Trump signing it. But each Republican side got to make damn sure they stood for their principles!
Posted by: Maritime at July 19, 2017 04:25 PM (mYJIs)
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And even so, you'd still need each policy to conform to state regulations. Car insurance is sold "across state lines", but each state still has its own set of rules.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 04:18 PM (zgNJq)
I bought my insurance in Mississippi at Joe's Bargain Medical Insurance, but I live in Maryland and expect to get my treatment at John's Hopkins, or maybe the Mayo Clinic.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 04:18 PM (zgNJq)
I bought my insurance in Mississippi at Joe's Bargain Medical Insurance, but I live in Maryland and expect to get my treatment at John's Hopkins, or maybe the Mayo Clinic.
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 04:25 PM (gwPgz)
427
Time Was...when Ace would treat us to "The REAL Dialogue Today Between President Trump and the R Senators" and Ace would proceed thusly:
Trump: Sen. Collins, where are you, honey?
Sen Collins: I'm right here, Mr President.
Trump: Show us your tits, honey. And then have a seat and shut up. Same goes for you, Senator Dean Heller.
Time Was...when Ace would treat us to "The REAL Dialogue Today Between President Trump and the R Senators" and Ace would proceed thusly:
Trump: Sen. Collins, where are you, honey?
Sen Collins: I'm right here, Mr President.
Trump: Show us your tits, honey. And then have a seat and shut up. Same goes for you, Senator Dean Heller.
Posted by: Soothsayer --Digitally Remastered at July 19, 2017 04:25 PM (qsz6h)
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Dear President Trump,
Why should we repeal anything? We still have our illegal Obama exemption from Obamacare. It's all good.
Maybe we'll take September off, too.
Sincerely,
Why should we repeal anything? We still have our illegal Obama exemption from Obamacare. It's all good.
Maybe we'll take September off, too.
Sincerely,
Posted by: The Senate at July 19, 2017 04:25 PM (Ndje9)
429
True, it's tricky, since repealing O-care would be suicide for so many GOP incumbents.
I mean, look at the massive Dem gains at all levels since O-care passed. And O-care has something like 5 million participants, total (Medicaid is obviously a different subject, and half the O-care sign-ups, according to Rand Corp. estimates, are refugees who had insurance before 2014 but were driven to O-care by ruinous instant cost increases in the individual market).
It's a daunting political minefield, no denying that.
I mean, look at the massive Dem gains at all levels since O-care passed. And O-care has something like 5 million participants, total (Medicaid is obviously a different subject, and half the O-care sign-ups, according to Rand Corp. estimates, are refugees who had insurance before 2014 but were driven to O-care by ruinous instant cost increases in the individual market).
It's a daunting political minefield, no denying that.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 19, 2017 04:25 PM (QDnY+)
430
And.. can you imagine Trump with Dem majorities in the House and Senate? He'll sign whatever Chucky Schumer puts under his nose because.. winning or something.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 19, 2017 04:19 PM (so+oy)
So farTrump has proved you wrong about every prediction you've made about him over the last year and a half.But I'm sure you're right about this one
And.. can you imagine Trump with Dem majorities in the House and Senate? He'll sign whatever Chucky Schumer puts under his nose because.. winning or something.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 19, 2017 04:19 PM (so+oy)
So farTrump has proved you wrong about every prediction you've made about him over the last year and a half.But I'm sure you're right about this one
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 19, 2017 04:25 PM (lKyWE)
431
As a general rule , White people did have a role in the riots throughout the '60's. White people were generally already leaving the big cities after WW2 as blacks were coming up from the South, And then when the riots destroyed downtown areas, most of the other whites just left , pretty much saying, "Here's the city you destroyed. You can have it now."
And from Liberia to Haiti to the big cities of the US, blacks *for some reason* can't run shit....
And from Liberia to Haiti to the big cities of the US, blacks *for some reason* can't run shit....
Posted by: JoeF. at July 19, 2017 04:26 PM (7uYFy)
432
Okay, I've finally come to terms with the fact that the Republicans are never ever going to repeal Obamacare.
But, is it asking too much that they pass legislation allowing American citizens to substitute-
that Russian Deer Antler Blood Care (in the sidebar) for Obamacare?
Cuz it looks like it will work just as well if not better than Obamacare. And I might actually get to use it.
#RussianDeerAntlerBloodCareNow!
But, is it asking too much that they pass legislation allowing American citizens to substitute-
that Russian Deer Antler Blood Care (in the sidebar) for Obamacare?
Cuz it looks like it will work just as well if not better than Obamacare. And I might actually get to use it.
#RussianDeerAntlerBloodCareNow!
Posted by: naturalfake at July 19, 2017 04:26 PM (NyJwR)
433
On the internet, no one knows just how crazy the other guys is.
On the internet, everyone is crazy.
On the internet, no one knows just how crazy the other guys is.
On the internet, everyone is crazy.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 19, 2017 04:26 PM (IqV8l)
434
An armed revolutionary Marxist-Leninist movement aimed at rednecks. This should go well.
redneckrevolt.org
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at July 19, 2017 04:25 PM (fA1SL)
Though there's an idiot fringe in all cultures, even rednecks, I don't see this getting very far.
redneckrevolt.org
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at July 19, 2017 04:25 PM (fA1SL)
Though there's an idiot fringe in all cultures, even rednecks, I don't see this getting very far.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 04:26 PM (3OIiX)
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 19, 2017 04:26 PM (MduLE)
Posted by: Soothsayer --Digitally Remastered at July 19, 2017 04:26 PM (qsz6h)
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Posted by: Skip
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Glad we could help. I insist on pouring sugar in my gas tank because I like the way it smells. I got my congressman to insist my insurance company cover it and not charge me a penny more.
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Glad we could help. I insist on pouring sugar in my gas tank because I like the way it smells. I got my congressman to insist my insurance company cover it and not charge me a penny more.
Posted by: Dang at July 19, 2017 04:26 PM (8b+oT)
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But why would a company in MO, sell a policy in IL in the first place? The reason IL is failing is because IL has a fucked up set of rules where insurers can't make money. If IL based companies can't make money, what makes you think a MO based company can? The real problem is state regulations, not the fact you can't sell across state lines.
Posted by: #neverskankles
________
+1
I support selling across state lines, but this is not nearly the solution conservatives think it is.
Posted by: #neverskankles
________
+1
I support selling across state lines, but this is not nearly the solution conservatives think it is.
Posted by: Maritime at July 19, 2017 04:26 PM (mYJIs)
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Easier fight to win, and would give us genuine leverage for our main reforms.
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That's good if it means repealing EMTALA, gutting Medicaid, phasing out Medicare, and eliminating the protections for medical monopolies.
It's acceptable if it means when we don't agree on anything two years from now obamacare ends, with no replacement program.
Unfortunately, I suspect even if we got the short term win on repeal, the leverage would be for some mutant form of Ryancare again because wah wah preconditions.
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That's good if it means repealing EMTALA, gutting Medicaid, phasing out Medicare, and eliminating the protections for medical monopolies.
It's acceptable if it means when we don't agree on anything two years from now obamacare ends, with no replacement program.
Unfortunately, I suspect even if we got the short term win on repeal, the leverage would be for some mutant form of Ryancare again because wah wah preconditions.
Posted by: Methos at July 19, 2017 04:27 PM (3Liv/)
440
So farTrump has proved you wrong about every prediction you've made about him over the last year and a half.But I'm sure you're right about this one
Heh. Truth.
Good Ment.
So farTrump has proved you wrong about every prediction you've made about him over the last year and a half.But I'm sure you're right about this one
Heh. Truth.
Good Ment.
Posted by: Soothsayer --Digitally Remastered at July 19, 2017 04:27 PM (qsz6h)
441
Would any prophlactic measure be cosidered "preventave medicine"? E.g., my heart doctor wants me to get a defibrillator implanted even though I have never had in instance of fibrillation. But my heart's ejection efficiency says that I am at risk, and it would probably kill me.
Posted by: bergerbilder at July 19, 2017 04:24 PM (lIZQs)
Well, pretty much all mine has done is cost $40,000 and itch and annoy me.
They honestly can't be sure what will happen. Could save your life. Could go off when you're driving and kill you.
We mock them going off of tables, because it's lame, but it's all they can do. Which is sad.
Posted by: bergerbilder at July 19, 2017 04:24 PM (lIZQs)
Well, pretty much all mine has done is cost $40,000 and itch and annoy me.
They honestly can't be sure what will happen. Could save your life. Could go off when you're driving and kill you.
We mock them going off of tables, because it's lame, but it's all they can do. Which is sad.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 04:27 PM (wB8Tg)
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 04:27 PM (MINbv)
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Oh - Patterico? Like that #nevertrump douchbag should even talk.
You know Patterico - in order for you to actually get off your *ss and do something about primary-ing these RINO DINO f*cktards you would have to be able to get your head out of your #nevertrump *ss, stop attacking Trump for no reason and start actually helping him beat back the deep state and uni-party.
But will Patterico do that ? Hmm? Nope. Too busy posturing over the lack of "Presidential Tone" of DJT more likely. And I will NOT under any circumstances click on a link to Patterico. Period.
You know Patterico - in order for you to actually get off your *ss and do something about primary-ing these RINO DINO f*cktards you would have to be able to get your head out of your #nevertrump *ss, stop attacking Trump for no reason and start actually helping him beat back the deep state and uni-party.
But will Patterico do that ? Hmm? Nope. Too busy posturing over the lack of "Presidential Tone" of DJT more likely. And I will NOT under any circumstances click on a link to Patterico. Period.
Posted by: Publius Redux at July 19, 2017 04:27 PM (Fb9aZ)
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manatee
So my middle child, age 11 now. Boy. He's on the spectrum. He is also remarkably pale (Irish) and, I believe the appropriate term is "husky".
He likes to swim, sort of. He gets into the pool and, because he's sensitive to sound, he submerges until his ears are covered by water. He floats that way then comes up to breath and goes back down. Spends must of his time underwater, just floating. We call it the "manatee".
Really freaks out the new life guards.
So my middle child, age 11 now. Boy. He's on the spectrum. He is also remarkably pale (Irish) and, I believe the appropriate term is "husky".
He likes to swim, sort of. He gets into the pool and, because he's sensitive to sound, he submerges until his ears are covered by water. He floats that way then comes up to breath and goes back down. Spends must of his time underwater, just floating. We call it the "manatee".
Really freaks out the new life guards.
Posted by: simplemind at July 19, 2017 04:27 PM (fvHiC)
Posted by: Soothsayer --Digitally Remastered at July 19, 2017 04:28 PM (qsz6h)
446
431 As a general rule , White people did have a role in the riots throughout the '60's. White people were generally already leaving the big cities after WW2 as blacks were coming up from the South, And then when the riots destroyed downtown areas, most of the other whites just left , pretty much saying, "Here's the city you destroyed. You can have it now."
And from Liberia to Haiti to the big cities of the US, blacks *for some reason* can't run shit....
Posted by: JoeF. at July 19, 2017 04:26 PM
*
*
Tell me about it.
And from Liberia to Haiti to the big cities of the US, blacks *for some reason* can't run shit....
Posted by: JoeF. at July 19, 2017 04:26 PM
*
*
Tell me about it.
Posted by: New Orleans Today at July 19, 2017 04:28 PM (zpYxD)
447
So farTrump has proved you wrong about every prediction you've made about him over the last year and a half.But I'm sure you're right about this one
Heh. Truth.
Good Ment.
Posted by: Soothsayer --Digitally Remastered at July 19, 2017 04:27 PM (qsz6h)
Those aren't mints, trust me.
Heh. Truth.
Good Ment.
Posted by: Soothsayer --Digitally Remastered at July 19, 2017 04:27 PM (qsz6h)
Those aren't mints, trust me.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 04:28 PM (3OIiX)
448
frank luntz should have finished rodeo clown school. he is a fucking dolt in his current gig. i would actually pay to watch a bull gore his pasty, white ass. many, many times.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 19, 2017 04:29 PM (KP5rU)
449
Not too far fetched, actually, if you imagine it as a whole new party made up of Trump and his faction, with the more sane, sick of the communist/SJW bullshit in their party Democrats. It's a huuuuge, luxurious voting bloc to capture.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 19, 2017 04:21 PM (hcyUh)
You are on to something. I don't have the numbers right here, but Trump got a lot of support from Democrat voters. Some of the most pro-Trump people I knew BEFORE the election were people who normally voted Democrat.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 19, 2017 04:21 PM (hcyUh)
You are on to something. I don't have the numbers right here, but Trump got a lot of support from Democrat voters. Some of the most pro-Trump people I knew BEFORE the election were people who normally voted Democrat.
Posted by: JoeF. at July 19, 2017 04:29 PM (7uYFy)
450
He likes to swim, sort of. He gets into the pool and, because he's sensitive to sound, he submerges until his ears are covered by water. He floats that way then comes up to breath and goes back down. Spends must of his time underwater, just floating. We call it the "manatee".
Really freaks out the new life guards.
*snort
Really freaks out the new life guards.
*snort
Posted by: rickb223 at July 19, 2017 04:29 PM (G0G8s)
451
Ultimately, the house of cards cannot stay up much longer in the federal government because all those hippies taking drugs and sleeping around and eating bark and living in communes rejecting the white man's medicine and eating peyote to dream themselves healthy and refusing vaccines are getting very old. They're already starting to overload the system.
Obamacare was an attempt to cover that up by forcing healthy young people to pay the bill for old people and hobos, but strangely enough those people didn't care to do so. One way or another its all going to hit the fan soon because nobody wanted to fix the problem before it was too late.
Any solution won't have major effect on costs for years, maybe decades. The costs would come down, but mostly relative to inflation: they wouldn't go up as fast. That doesn't help much for years and years.
Some of the solutions people suggest (selling across state lines) sound kinda good but ultimately would likely end up being just as bad in new and different ways. But that cost is coming due, soon. And we're all gonna pay.
Obamacare was an attempt to cover that up by forcing healthy young people to pay the bill for old people and hobos, but strangely enough those people didn't care to do so. One way or another its all going to hit the fan soon because nobody wanted to fix the problem before it was too late.
Any solution won't have major effect on costs for years, maybe decades. The costs would come down, but mostly relative to inflation: they wouldn't go up as fast. That doesn't help much for years and years.
Some of the solutions people suggest (selling across state lines) sound kinda good but ultimately would likely end up being just as bad in new and different ways. But that cost is coming due, soon. And we're all gonna pay.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 04:29 PM (39g3+)
452
On the internet, no one knows just how crazy the other guys is.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 04:25 PM (m9X4Y)
Oh, I have a pretty good idea.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 04:25 PM (m9X4Y)
Oh, I have a pretty good idea.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 04:30 PM (wB8Tg)
453
Just 'cuz Patteric is a NeverTrump cuck, doesn't mean he's wrong about this.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 04:30 PM (zgNJq)
454
Unfortunately, I suspect even if we got the short term win on repeal, the leverage would be for some mutant form of Ryancare again because wah wah preconditions.
Posted by: Methos
______
I don't want "ryancare" but if its some positive step towards a more affordable health care system, isn't that better than the status quo?
I mean, I would prefer a flat tax, but I will take any tax relief I can get.
Why does this one bill have to fix everything at once?
I really think a few positive steps would be an improvement over the status quo.
If nothing is reformed, we will get Single Payer and you will never be rid of it.
Posted by: Methos
______
I don't want "ryancare" but if its some positive step towards a more affordable health care system, isn't that better than the status quo?
I mean, I would prefer a flat tax, but I will take any tax relief I can get.
Why does this one bill have to fix everything at once?
I really think a few positive steps would be an improvement over the status quo.
If nothing is reformed, we will get Single Payer and you will never be rid of it.
Posted by: Maritime at July 19, 2017 04:30 PM (mYJIs)
455
The Rand Pauls want a clean repeal, (so do I) but the votes aren't there. Period. So now it appears to be grandstanding.
The Collins and Murkowskis want nobody to have a single week of uncertainty from their free health care and will vote no on everything.
Posted by: Maritime at July 19, 2017 04:25 PM (mYJIs)
I've proposed something which does both.
The Collins and Murkowskis want nobody to have a single week of uncertainty from their free health care and will vote no on everything.
Posted by: Maritime at July 19, 2017 04:25 PM (mYJIs)
I've proposed something which does both.
Posted by: The Repealing Hat at July 19, 2017 04:30 PM (vBeA5)
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 04:30 PM (MINbv)
457
Whatever happened to Whatshisname here?
The one you guys used to crap on because he used to flaunt his affluence.
Whatever happened to Whatshisname here?
The one you guys used to crap on because he used to flaunt his affluence.
Posted by: Soothsayer --Digitally Remastered at July 19, 2017 04:30 PM (qsz6h)
458
I bought my insurance in Mississippi at Joe's Bargain Medical Insurance, but I live in Maryland and expect to get my treatment at John's Hopkins, or maybe the Mayo Clinic.
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 04:25 PM
You want the Mayo Clinic.
You'll get the Miracle Whip Clinic.
Whip it good.
I bought my insurance in Mississippi at Joe's Bargain Medical Insurance, but I live in Maryland and expect to get my treatment at John's Hopkins, or maybe the Mayo Clinic.
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 04:25 PM
You want the Mayo Clinic.
You'll get the Miracle Whip Clinic.
Whip it good.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 19, 2017 04:30 PM (IqV8l)
459
And it goes without saying that the first white people to leave after black rioting were--as always--LIBERALS.
Posted by: JoeF. at July 19, 2017 04:30 PM (7uYFy)
460
Dear Horde:
Do you think Trump sometimes just sits there looking at these asshole Senators and thinks to himself, "Jesus, I'd like to be able to stand these fuckers up against the wall and take a few shots at 'em with an anti-aircaft cannon like Phat Boi does"?
Do you think Trump sometimes just sits there looking at these asshole Senators and thinks to himself, "Jesus, I'd like to be able to stand these fuckers up against the wall and take a few shots at 'em with an anti-aircaft cannon like Phat Boi does"?
Posted by: Strobe at July 19, 2017 04:31 PM (gbWkA)
461
simplemind, that sounds like fun. Also it is an accurate depiction of a manatee (no offense to your son)
It's a daunting political minefield, no denying that.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 19, 2017 04:25 PM (QDnY+)
That rat bastard Ted Cruz and his government shutdown caused that awful 2014 GOP losses in the House.
It's a daunting political minefield, no denying that.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 19, 2017 04:25 PM (QDnY+)
That rat bastard Ted Cruz and his government shutdown caused that awful 2014 GOP losses in the House.
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 04:31 PM (mf5HN)
462
Dickless GOP is negotiating per their usual strategy: "We're scared shitless of our own values and embarassed about our base and we sorta think the democrats are right about most things"
or rather "embarassed of our values and hate our base"
either one.
or rather "embarassed of our values and hate our base"
either one.
Posted by: andrew jarbacka at July 19, 2017 04:31 PM (AU4SY)
463
Really freaks out the new life guards.
Posted by: simplemind
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I used to time how long I could hold my breath underwater until I got told to cut it out. I guess I looked dead.
Posted by: simplemind
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I used to time how long I could hold my breath underwater until I got told to cut it out. I guess I looked dead.
Posted by: Dang at July 19, 2017 04:32 PM (8b+oT)
464
442 On the internet, everyone is crazy"
And really, really good looking.
Posted by: Anon a mouse...
Yes. Check me out, for example.
And really, really good looking.
Posted by: Anon a mouse...
Yes. Check me out, for example.
Posted by: zombie's new ACCURATE self-portrait avatar photo (SFW) at July 19, 2017 04:32 PM (DQ4Fv)
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457; you talking about that blowhard cow guy? that asshole? he bought his own planet.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 19, 2017 04:32 PM (KP5rU)
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You are on to something. I don't have the numbers right here, but Trump got a lot of support from Democrat voters. Some of the most pro-Trump people I knew BEFORE the election were people who normally voted Democrat.
Posted by: JoeF. at July 19, 2017 04:29 PM (7uYFy)
Numbers? Oh, hell, you want to actually have a real conversation... I'm just spitballin' and bullshittin' here.
But I do think, just by anecotde/gut-feeling, there are scads of Democrat voters who simply don't have a home in their own party anymore, and Trump has no loyalty whatsoever to the GOP as a party.
If he can create a breakaway party that's pro-business, pro-America, and manages to give away just enough to the Free Shit Army to keep them pacified, I think he'd be unstoppable. Even if he breaks away from any pretense at being a "conservative" (what ever the hell that means anymore)
This is all, of course, highly conjectural.
Posted by: JoeF. at July 19, 2017 04:29 PM (7uYFy)
Numbers? Oh, hell, you want to actually have a real conversation... I'm just spitballin' and bullshittin' here.
But I do think, just by anecotde/gut-feeling, there are scads of Democrat voters who simply don't have a home in their own party anymore, and Trump has no loyalty whatsoever to the GOP as a party.
If he can create a breakaway party that's pro-business, pro-America, and manages to give away just enough to the Free Shit Army to keep them pacified, I think he'd be unstoppable. Even if he breaks away from any pretense at being a "conservative" (what ever the hell that means anymore)
This is all, of course, highly conjectural.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 19, 2017 04:32 PM (hcyUh)
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Single payer wouldn't be so bad as long as the govt just paid, but didn't provide. By that I mean the health care providers would still be private....doctors, clinics, hospitals, MRI centers, etc.
But that would last for about 12 seconds, before the left would push to nationalize the providers as well.
But that would last for about 12 seconds, before the left would push to nationalize the providers as well.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 04:33 PM (zgNJq)
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Phil Ochs was a lefty folksinger of the '60's and I only know about two of them-- one of them was "Love Me I'm a Liberal"
And I love Puerto Ricans and Negroes
As long as they don't live next door
So love me love love me
I'm a liberal....
And I love Puerto Ricans and Negroes
As long as they don't live next door
So love me love love me
I'm a liberal....
Posted by: JoeF. at July 19, 2017 04:33 PM (7uYFy)
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Give up on repealing Obamacare.
It is not going to happen. The people are against it because they know we need a rationale, socialized system. Yes, I used the S-word. Get over it.
Health care is not a "free market" and cannot be made to be one unless we change our values as a community and accept that many people will die because they cannot afford health care. Our current systems pretends to be free market, but is actually a socialized system. That is why it is THE world's most costly system, while not being near the top in terms of patient outcomes.
This is a lost battle and everyone with sense (which excludes Rand Paul) knows it. It is time to move on to something winnable or just give up everything and turn the government back over to Pelosi and Schummer.
It is not going to happen. The people are against it because they know we need a rationale, socialized system. Yes, I used the S-word. Get over it.
Health care is not a "free market" and cannot be made to be one unless we change our values as a community and accept that many people will die because they cannot afford health care. Our current systems pretends to be free market, but is actually a socialized system. That is why it is THE world's most costly system, while not being near the top in terms of patient outcomes.
This is a lost battle and everyone with sense (which excludes Rand Paul) knows it. It is time to move on to something winnable or just give up everything and turn the government back over to Pelosi and Schummer.
Posted by: Kasper Hauser at July 19, 2017 04:33 PM (HqpV0)
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And it goes without saying that the first white people to leave after black rioting were--as always--LIBERALS.
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Well, they don't approve of violence.
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Well, they don't approve of violence.
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at July 19, 2017 04:33 PM (Nwg0u)
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lookin good zombie. love what you did with your "hair."
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 19, 2017 04:33 PM (KP5rU)
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Obamacare was an attempt to cover that up by forcing healthy young people to pay the bill for old people and hobos"
Hey, you know, how about we bring in Achmed and his cousins to work in support of Hans and Franz' retirements? That'll work, right?
Hey, you know, how about we bring in Achmed and his cousins to work in support of Hans and Franz' retirements? That'll work, right?
Posted by: Frau Blucher at July 19, 2017 04:34 PM (MINbv)
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simplemind, that sounds like fun. Also it is an accurate depiction of a manatee (no offense to your son)
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None taken. Kid is hilarious. He's also the kid that told my wife, she needed to vote for trump even though he says bad words, because he would make jobs for poor people.
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None taken. Kid is hilarious. He's also the kid that told my wife, she needed to vote for trump even though he says bad words, because he would make jobs for poor people.
Posted by: simplemind at July 19, 2017 04:34 PM (w2RSU)
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Yes. Check me out, for example.
Posted by: zombie's new ACCURATE self-portrait
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Dude's got a huge vagina... I think...
Posted by: zombie's new ACCURATE self-portrait
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Dude's got a huge vagina... I think...
Posted by: Dang at July 19, 2017 04:34 PM (8b+oT)
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>>>Phil Ochs was a lefty folksinger of the '60's and I only know about two of them-- one of them was "Love Me I'm a Liberal"
And I love Puerto Ricans and Negroes
As long as they don't live next door
So love me love love me
I'm a liberal....
Wonderfully covered by Jello Biafra and Mojo Nixon!
And I love Puerto Ricans and Negroes
As long as they don't live next door
So love me love love me
I'm a liberal....
Wonderfully covered by Jello Biafra and Mojo Nixon!
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 19, 2017 04:34 PM (MduLE)
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This is a lost battle and everyone with sense (which excludes Rand Paul) knows it. It is time to move on to something winnable or just give up everything and turn the government back over to Pelosi and Schummer.
Posted by: Kasper Hauser at July 19, 2017 04:33 PM (HqpV0)
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Turn it BACK to them? When did they ever stop running it?
Posted by: Kasper Hauser at July 19, 2017 04:33 PM (HqpV0)
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Turn it BACK to them? When did they ever stop running it?
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 04:34 PM (zgNJq)
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for your lulz:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CidT8Ed4iC4
a Matrix-themed cnn fake news vid
it's good
for your lulz:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CidT8Ed4iC4
a Matrix-themed cnn fake news vid
it's good
Posted by: Soothsayer --Digitally Remastered at July 19, 2017 04:34 PM (qsz6h)
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Having to pony up for not buying insurance is what has pissed me off mostly, having a doctor for 33 years I can't officially go to isn't as bad only because I don't care as much about that. Unless the couple of trips to him shortly ago are not covered by the insurance and will have to payfor them but haven't heard about that part yet
Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2017 04:34 PM (9g/6M)
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459 And it goes without saying that the first white people to leave after black rioting were--as always--LIBERALS.
In my parents' case, it was because the blacks decided that their neighborhood, where our family had lived for generations, was now a black-only neighborhood. Both residences and businesses.
The whites who refused to move out were subjected to beatings and their homes and businesses to arson.
Our family business, opened in 1910, was torched over and over until it was finally torched beyond repair in December 1969.
They fled to the suburbs at that point.
In my parents' case, it was because the blacks decided that their neighborhood, where our family had lived for generations, was now a black-only neighborhood. Both residences and businesses.
The whites who refused to move out were subjected to beatings and their homes and businesses to arson.
Our family business, opened in 1910, was torched over and over until it was finally torched beyond repair in December 1969.
They fled to the suburbs at that point.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 19, 2017 04:35 PM (ul9CR)
Posted by: Soothsayer --Digitally Remastered at July 19, 2017 04:35 PM (qsz6h)
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I used to time how long I could hold my breath underwater until I got told to cut it out. I guess I looked dead.
Posted by: Dang at July 19, 2017 04:32 PM (8b+oT)
People freak the eff out if you go over a minute. I mean, heck, the world record is 24 minutes.
Closer to 4 hours if you could successful resuscitation after drowning in freezing water.
Posted by: Dang at July 19, 2017 04:32 PM (8b+oT)
People freak the eff out if you go over a minute. I mean, heck, the world record is 24 minutes.
Closer to 4 hours if you could successful resuscitation after drowning in freezing water.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 04:35 PM (wB8Tg)
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But I do think, just by anecotde/gut-feeling, there are scads of Democrat voters who simply don't have a home in their own party anymore, and Trump has no loyalty whatsoever to the GOP as a party.
If he can create a breakaway party that's pro-business, pro-America, and manages to give away just enough to the Free Shit Army to keep them pacified, I think he'd be unstoppable. Even if he breaks away from any pretense at being a "conservative" (what ever the hell that means anymore)
This is all, of course, highly conjectural.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 19, 2017 04:32 PM (hcyUh)
I agree. And what DOES being a "conservative" mean? Goldwater? Buckley? Bill Krystol and the rest of the #Never Trumpers?
Today's GOP is even afraid to go for TAX REFORM.
But I do think, just by anecotde/gut-feeling, there are scads of Democrat voters who simply don't have a home in their own party anymore, and Trump has no loyalty whatsoever to the GOP as a party.
If he can create a breakaway party that's pro-business, pro-America, and manages to give away just enough to the Free Shit Army to keep them pacified, I think he'd be unstoppable. Even if he breaks away from any pretense at being a "conservative" (what ever the hell that means anymore)
This is all, of course, highly conjectural.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 19, 2017 04:32 PM (hcyUh)
I agree. And what DOES being a "conservative" mean? Goldwater? Buckley? Bill Krystol and the rest of the #Never Trumpers?
Today's GOP is even afraid to go for TAX REFORM.
Posted by: JoeF. at July 19, 2017 04:35 PM (7uYFy)
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None taken. Kid is hilarious. He's also the kid that told my wife, she needed to vote for trump even though he says bad words, because he would make jobs for poor people.
Posted by: simplemind at July 19, 2017 04:34 PM (w2RSU)
You need to make a big fake scar for his back and when people freak say, very sadly, that's from when the speedboat hit him.
Posted by: simplemind at July 19, 2017 04:34 PM (w2RSU)
You need to make a big fake scar for his back and when people freak say, very sadly, that's from when the speedboat hit him.
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 04:36 PM (mf5HN)
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Zombie, did you have Goodbye Horses playing in the background?
Posted by: doomed at July 19, 2017 04:36 PM (UW4Uc)
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Nood
Posted by: rickb223 at July 19, 2017 04:36 PM (G0G8s)
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Yes. Check me out, for example.
Posted by: zombie's new ACCURATE self-portrait avatar photo (SFW) at July 19, 2017 04:32 PM (DQ4Fv)
Dammit, I knew better!
Posted by: zombie's new ACCURATE self-portrait avatar photo (SFW) at July 19, 2017 04:32 PM (DQ4Fv)
Dammit, I knew better!
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 04:36 PM (gwPgz)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 04:36 PM (3OIiX)
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Our family business, opened in 1910, was torched over and over until it was finally torched beyond repair in December 1969.
They fled to the suburbs at that point.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 19, 2017 04:35 PM (ul9CR)
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RACISTS!!!!!!
They fled to the suburbs at that point.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 19, 2017 04:35 PM (ul9CR)
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RACISTS!!!!!!
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 04:36 PM (zgNJq)
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 04:37 PM (MINbv)
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On the internet, every can see you scream.
Posted by: Ridley Scott at July 19, 2017 04:37 PM (lIZQs)
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Single payer gets you the VA or UKesque healthcare. Nuke obamacare from orbit Free the marketplace. That is the only answer. (medicaid for the indigent and medicare for the disabled and elderly are not going to go away soon). Let people choose their own coverage and force medical providers to compete.
Posted by: USNtakim at July 19, 2017 04:37 PM (zZWkn)
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I don't want "ryancare" but if its some positive step towards a more affordable health care system, isn't that better than the status quo?
I mean, I would prefer a flat tax, but I will take any tax relief I can get.
Why does this one bill have to fix everything at once?
I really think a few positive steps would be an improvement over the status quo.
If nothing is reformed, we will get Single Payer and you will never be rid of it.
Posted by: Maritime at July 19, 2017 04:30 PM (mYJIs)
THIS. People want something done. But what needs to be done will take years to implement no matter what. So.....
First, repeal Obamunist monstrosity
Second, go to recess
Third, come back with some real reforms when recess is over.
I don't want "ryancare" but if its some positive step towards a more affordable health care system, isn't that better than the status quo?
I mean, I would prefer a flat tax, but I will take any tax relief I can get.
Why does this one bill have to fix everything at once?
I really think a few positive steps would be an improvement over the status quo.
If nothing is reformed, we will get Single Payer and you will never be rid of it.
Posted by: Maritime at July 19, 2017 04:30 PM (mYJIs)
THIS. People want something done. But what needs to be done will take years to implement no matter what. So.....
First, repeal Obamunist monstrosity
Second, go to recess
Third, come back with some real reforms when recess is over.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 19, 2017 04:37 PM (ujg0T)
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Name one thing Trump has done to broker this deal.
I've enjoyed Trump's presence making the media drop the mask and set itself on fire, but I'm not willing to spend seven more years blowing a once-in-a-lifetime majority on fights with newsanchors while achieving nothing of value. He needs to step the F aside if this is how it's going to be from now on.
I've enjoyed Trump's presence making the media drop the mask and set itself on fire, but I'm not willing to spend seven more years blowing a once-in-a-lifetime majority on fights with newsanchors while achieving nothing of value. He needs to step the F aside if this is how it's going to be from now on.
Posted by: Dave at July 19, 2017 04:37 PM (2Kysq)
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People freak the eff out if you go over a minute. I mean, heck, the world record is 24 minutes.
Closer to 4 hours if you could successful resuscitation after drowning in freezing water.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 04:35 PM (wB8Tg)
I used to be able to hold my breath for a minute and a half under water.
And that's when I used to smoke Marlboro Reds
I was proud of that for some reason.
Closer to 4 hours if you could successful resuscitation after drowning in freezing water.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 04:35 PM (wB8Tg)
I used to be able to hold my breath for a minute and a half under water.
And that's when I used to smoke Marlboro Reds
I was proud of that for some reason.
Posted by: JoeF. at July 19, 2017 04:37 PM (7uYFy)
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You need to make a big fake scar for his back and when people freak say, very sadly, that's from when the speedboat hit him
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Well, I almost mentioned it, but I figured you *FREAK OUT* and think I was punking you.
He's had scoliosis surgery and has a GIANT scar right down the middle of his back.
Not kidding.
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Well, I almost mentioned it, but I figured you *FREAK OUT* and think I was punking you.
He's had scoliosis surgery and has a GIANT scar right down the middle of his back.
Not kidding.
Posted by: simplemind at July 19, 2017 04:38 PM (zHiLm)
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Dammit, I knew better!
Sometimes you have to click. You just have to know. Not knowing is a terrible burden.
Sometimes you have to click. You just have to know. Not knowing is a terrible burden.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 04:38 PM (m9X4Y)
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Health care is not a "free market" and cannot be made to be one unless we change our values as a community and accept that many people will die because they cannot afford health care.
Posted by: Kasper Hauser at July 19, 2017 04:33 PM (HqpV0)
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Great fun to post that right after a Charlie Gard thread.
Posted by: Kasper Hauser at July 19, 2017 04:33 PM (HqpV0)
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Great fun to post that right after a Charlie Gard thread.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 04:38 PM (wB8Tg)
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That people will die because they cannot afford health care is BS. People who could not afford healthcare still got great healthcare. The hospitals paased their costs along to the rest of us through higher cost procedures and insurance companies through higher premiums.
Posted by: Strobe at July 19, 2017 04:38 PM (gbWkA)
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Yes, alex, I recall that GOP bloodbath as well.
As for Medicaid, doesn't the "surge" get its fed funding cut, under the law, automatically in a few years?
I say give Collins and Capito and Kasich their welfare treasure, then let them and the other idiotic irresponsible parasites in their states deal with it when the spigot turns off.
Much harder for a few beggars to force new funding than it is to sabotage the process to help the entire country.
As for Medicaid, doesn't the "surge" get its fed funding cut, under the law, automatically in a few years?
I say give Collins and Capito and Kasich their welfare treasure, then let them and the other idiotic irresponsible parasites in their states deal with it when the spigot turns off.
Much harder for a few beggars to force new funding than it is to sabotage the process to help the entire country.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 19, 2017 04:38 PM (QDnY+)
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Posted by: Jen the original at July 19, 2017 04:00 PM (zqdyZ)
Jen, the law before Obamacare was that insurance companies could not exclude prexisting conditions as long as you had been insured within, I believe, the previous three months. Otherwise the insurance companies could exclude that condition for one year. I've never had a problem jumping from one insurance to the next and my wife is a giant red flag for insurance companies.
Jen, the law before Obamacare was that insurance companies could not exclude prexisting conditions as long as you had been insured within, I believe, the previous three months. Otherwise the insurance companies could exclude that condition for one year. I've never had a problem jumping from one insurance to the next and my wife is a giant red flag for insurance companies.
Posted by: WOPR (Colonial Marines can't use harsh language) at July 19, 2017 04:38 PM (J70i0)
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I don't really blame whites bailing on Detroit after the riots. I mean they were already outnumbered by blacks, and the blacks suddenly decided it was time to blow up, burn, and break everything in sight. That's time to leave.
I'm not saying the blacks in Detroit had no cause for fury and frustration, just that the reaction is hardly unreasonable.
Loren Estelman has written a really good series of books on the history of Detroit going back to about 1905.
I'm not saying the blacks in Detroit had no cause for fury and frustration, just that the reaction is hardly unreasonable.
Loren Estelman has written a really good series of books on the history of Detroit going back to about 1905.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 04:39 PM (39g3+)
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The one you guys used to crap on because he used to flaunt his affluence.
Moo Moo, jwest, and that other guy, the one from Charlotte, have all been known to do that. Nip Sip.
I think it's a good sign that I had trouble remembering the last name.
Moo Moo, jwest, and that other guy, the one from Charlotte, have all been known to do that. Nip Sip.
I think it's a good sign that I had trouble remembering the last name.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 19, 2017 04:39 PM (gIRsn)
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So farTrump has proved you wrong about every prediction you've made about him over the last year and a half.But I'm sure you're right about this one
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Really? Care to quote me? I was against him in the primaries, but when it came down to him or skankles, I reluctantly supported him.. and I don't recall predicting much of anything about what policies he would pursue.
I do remember seeing the Supreme Court as the one thing he would do right.
So, now we are six months in and what has he accomplished.. oh yeah.. he just recertified the Iran deal. and the fabulous dealmaker cannot convince 2 senators to vote for O'Care repeal.. but.. but Twitter!
And, where's that wall? I do credit him for finally enforcing immigration laws.
But he is desperate for a "WIN". He would likely sign whatever was put in front of him.. his attention span is that of a gnat.
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Really? Care to quote me? I was against him in the primaries, but when it came down to him or skankles, I reluctantly supported him.. and I don't recall predicting much of anything about what policies he would pursue.
I do remember seeing the Supreme Court as the one thing he would do right.
So, now we are six months in and what has he accomplished.. oh yeah.. he just recertified the Iran deal. and the fabulous dealmaker cannot convince 2 senators to vote for O'Care repeal.. but.. but Twitter!
And, where's that wall? I do credit him for finally enforcing immigration laws.
But he is desperate for a "WIN". He would likely sign whatever was put in front of him.. his attention span is that of a gnat.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 19, 2017 04:39 PM (so+oy)
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accept that many people will die because they cannot afford health care.
Rejecting a federal system does not equate to this. There is no fundamental reason for the market for extreme care, much less ordinary care to be centrally managed. Does a lack of Federal management mean that people starve to death *for lack of soup kitchens*? Charity care, community sharing, and other pathways have always been a thing, and if most aspects are not cut out of a mandated pound of flesh, the costs don't have to be so high.
"Give up and socialize everything" is not the best solution.
Rejecting a federal system does not equate to this. There is no fundamental reason for the market for extreme care, much less ordinary care to be centrally managed. Does a lack of Federal management mean that people starve to death *for lack of soup kitchens*? Charity care, community sharing, and other pathways have always been a thing, and if most aspects are not cut out of a mandated pound of flesh, the costs don't have to be so high.
"Give up and socialize everything" is not the best solution.
Posted by: Sporkatus at July 19, 2017 04:39 PM (eXSOZ)
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Where do find these people, Zombie? Do you activally seek them out?
Posted by: GT 5.0 at July 19, 2017 04:39 PM (v2K1n)
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Well, I almost mentioned it, but I figured you *FREAK OUT* and think I was punking you.
He's had scoliosis surgery and has a GIANT scar right down the middle of his back.
Not kidding.
Posted by: simplemind at July 19, 2017 04:38 PM (zHiLm)
Okay, first and most importantly, I hope he's okay from that.
Now that I've proven I was raised right.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
He's had scoliosis surgery and has a GIANT scar right down the middle of his back.
Not kidding.
Posted by: simplemind at July 19, 2017 04:38 PM (zHiLm)
Okay, first and most importantly, I hope he's okay from that.
Now that I've proven I was raised right.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 04:40 PM (mf5HN)
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Name one thing Trump has done to broker this deal.
He's had several meetings with congressmen about the whole thing, but he hasn't been very forceful or dynamic in leading the way, I agree.
He's had several meetings with congressmen about the whole thing, but he hasn't been very forceful or dynamic in leading the way, I agree.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 04:41 PM (39g3+)
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My vague, poorly informed opinion is this:
Make Health *Care* (hospitals, clinics, etc.) purely private, free-market entities. Along with insurance companies, as well.
Then treat health "insurance" as a necessity like food/water/shelter. Use public assistance programs to allow those who can't afford it to at least go out and buy a crappy, bottom-rung plan. But the insurers would still have to compete for those dollars.
FSA gets their payoff. Free-market mechanisms are still allowed to control prices. Seems like a decent first-cut solution to me, at any rate.
Make Health *Care* (hospitals, clinics, etc.) purely private, free-market entities. Along with insurance companies, as well.
Then treat health "insurance" as a necessity like food/water/shelter. Use public assistance programs to allow those who can't afford it to at least go out and buy a crappy, bottom-rung plan. But the insurers would still have to compete for those dollars.
FSA gets their payoff. Free-market mechanisms are still allowed to control prices. Seems like a decent first-cut solution to me, at any rate.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 19, 2017 04:41 PM (hcyUh)
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Why does this one bill have to fix everything at once?
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Repealing obamacare doesn't fix everything at once.
There were already monpoly protections in law (drug reimportation, certificates of need for new hospuitals, etc) pushing the underlying cost of health care up (frankly the widespread availability of insurance that covers most everything is part of the problem), which is what drove health insurance costs. It's the health care bubble that has to be burst, the whole discussion of health insurance is a deliberate side show to that.
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Repealing obamacare doesn't fix everything at once.
There were already monpoly protections in law (drug reimportation, certificates of need for new hospuitals, etc) pushing the underlying cost of health care up (frankly the widespread availability of insurance that covers most everything is part of the problem), which is what drove health insurance costs. It's the health care bubble that has to be burst, the whole discussion of health insurance is a deliberate side show to that.
Posted by: Methos at July 19, 2017 04:42 PM (3Liv/)
510
Posted by: simplemind at July 19, 2017 04:38 PM (zHiLm)
Okay, first and most importantly, I hope he's okay from that.
Now that I've proven I was raised right.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Yes. Its an ongoing thing, but so is life.
And, I know some people may not understand this, but as his father
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
All three of my kids are incredible, ridiculous, fantastic personalities on the spectrum. And I am the luckiest guy I've ever met.
Okay, first and most importantly, I hope he's okay from that.
Now that I've proven I was raised right.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Yes. Its an ongoing thing, but so is life.
And, I know some people may not understand this, but as his father
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
All three of my kids are incredible, ridiculous, fantastic personalities on the spectrum. And I am the luckiest guy I've ever met.
Posted by: simplemind at July 19, 2017 04:44 PM (t0FVd)
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"Give up and socialize everything" is not the best solution.
Posted by: Sporkatus at July 19, 2017 04:39 PM (eXSOZ)
It's not a solution at all. It takes the worst case of the free system and mandates it.
Posted by: Sporkatus at July 19, 2017 04:39 PM (eXSOZ)
It's not a solution at all. It takes the worst case of the free system and mandates it.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 04:44 PM (wB8Tg)
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Heaven knows they changed the goalposts weekly after it was passed if you remember
Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2017 04:45 PM (9g/6M)
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Lisa Murvieski. Proof that you can an election even if nobody ca spell your name.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 19, 2017 04:45 PM (P/kVC)
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It is not going to happen. The people are against it because they know
we need a rationale, socialized system. Yes, I used the S-word. Get over
it.
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Then make plans for living without the dollar.
There is no way to pay for all those preconditons, much less the folks who just think government should take care of their tooth ache. So the deficit will grow and eventually inflation will do to us what it did to Zimbabwe and Weimar Germany.
And every single person who argued we should worry about polls and sympathize with the poor, and do things incrementally if at all, will deserve every single thing that happens as a result.
we need a rationale, socialized system. Yes, I used the S-word. Get over
it.
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Then make plans for living without the dollar.
There is no way to pay for all those preconditons, much less the folks who just think government should take care of their tooth ache. So the deficit will grow and eventually inflation will do to us what it did to Zimbabwe and Weimar Germany.
And every single person who argued we should worry about polls and sympathize with the poor, and do things incrementally if at all, will deserve every single thing that happens as a result.
Posted by: Methos at July 19, 2017 04:47 PM (3Liv/)
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513 Lisa Murvieski. Proof that you can win an election even if nobody can spell your name.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 19, 2017 04:47 PM (P/kVC)
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If Joe Manchin loses his reelection bid, Capoto might lose a primary.
Otherwise, she might be the best West Virginia has to offer.
Otherwise, she might be the best West Virginia has to offer.
Posted by: Fake at July 19, 2017 04:48 PM (wFDuq)
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430
And.. can you imagine Trump with Dem majorities in the House and Senate? He'll sign whatever Chucky Schumer puts under his nose because.. winning or something.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 19, 2017 04:19 PM (so+oy)
So farTrump has proved you wrong about every prediction you've made about him over the last year and a half.But I'm sure you're right about this one
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 19, 2017 04:25 PM (lKyWE)
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Thank you. Chi town Jerry has been #NeverTrump from the beginning.
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And.. can you imagine Trump with Dem majorities in the House and Senate? He'll sign whatever Chucky Schumer puts under his nose because.. winning or something.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 19, 2017 04:19 PM (so+oy)
So farTrump has proved you wrong about every prediction you've made about him over the last year and a half.But I'm sure you're right about this one
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 19, 2017 04:25 PM (lKyWE)
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Thank you. Chi town Jerry has been #NeverTrump from the beginning.
Posted by: Soona at July 19, 2017 04:48 PM (Fmupd)
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I'll settle for the sexy robomaid that can cook, clean, and STFU. At this stage in my life, my needs are modest.
Posted by: The Unknown Commenter at July 19, 2017 04:48 PM (AM1GF)
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I will move to Alaska and challenge Murkowski. Who will fund me?
Posted by: Jeff at July 19, 2017 05:02 PM (o3Lam)
Posted by: jayhawkone at July 19, 2017 05:29 PM (ZD+J8)
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Just 'cuz Patteric is a NeverTrump cuck, doesn't mean he's wrong about this.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 04:30 PM (zgNJq)
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Didn't say he was wrong - I said he will not actually do anything about it because he will immediately go back to being a #Nevertrup d*ck, wasting all his free time freebasing crack, jerking off and writing stupidly false or "mountain out of molehill"stories about Trump (but mostly the latter two) rather than actually helping to organize primaries to these RINO f*cks. THAT is what I am saying. Let's make a bet, a la the Simon-Ehrlich wager, and check back with each other in 2022 shall we? We can then check back through Patterico's site ( pre -being committed to a mental institution) to see what he spent the intervening years on. If, as I suspect, it is 99.9% publishing neverTrump BS and not, say, organizing primary elections, then you owe me a two, TWO scoops ice cream cone . . . with chocolate sprinkles,
Just 'cuz Patteric is a NeverTrump cuck, doesn't mean he's wrong about this.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 04:30 PM (zgNJq)
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Didn't say he was wrong - I said he will not actually do anything about it because he will immediately go back to being a #Nevertrup d*ck, wasting all his free time freebasing crack, jerking off and writing stupidly false or "mountain out of molehill"stories about Trump (but mostly the latter two) rather than actually helping to organize primaries to these RINO f*cks. THAT is what I am saying. Let's make a bet, a la the Simon-Ehrlich wager, and check back with each other in 2022 shall we? We can then check back through Patterico's site ( pre -being committed to a mental institution) to see what he spent the intervening years on. If, as I suspect, it is 99.9% publishing neverTrump BS and not, say, organizing primary elections, then you owe me a two, TWO scoops ice cream cone . . . with chocolate sprinkles,
Posted by: Publius Redux at July 19, 2017 05:34 PM (Fb9aZ)
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That pre-existing stuff is BS. I had a work injury that requited two surgeries. Insurance companies payed a couple month of medication then canceled my policy. Stonewall-city. Wouldn't even sign their letters. Refused my payments. Said "too bad" go pick someone else and see what happens. Insurance companies are NOT going to lose money. PERIOD>
Posted by: pawn at July 19, 2017 05:54 PM (ud5Gd)
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Repeal Obamacare...... Scrap the current income tax....... Implement a
National Sales Tax of seven to ten percent or pick your number....on
EVERYTHING BUT FOOD AND HEALTHCARE......Tax stock
buys....goods......Land buys ....plant and equipment buys.....eliminate
deductions........This tax to fund everything being funded now....SSI,
SSD ......then Implement a 7% INCOME TAX to fund only HEALTHCARE......7%
is what Panama uses they have no property tax.......OK so
far?......Better yet....That 7% goes into a HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT to be
used ONLY for healthcare....use it to buy INSURANCE....plans to be
offered by independent companies and free market driven and sold...OR
Use it to self insure.......invest it.......Negotiate with your doc,
your hospital, using your account alone or your purchased
insurance.....Govt IS OUT.....private industry competes...Insurance
companies are for profit offers without govt mandates....you choose your
plan......non workers get bare minimum contributions.....medicaid is
paired back to essential services...no frills no knee replacements no
hip replacements....Trump packages all this with a one time offer to
repatriate any foreign held American Companies assets with a mere 2%
penalty......which also goes to healthcare..........whats wrong with
it?....would it work.....would it put such pressure on congress....that
those
National Sales Tax of seven to ten percent or pick your number....on
EVERYTHING BUT FOOD AND HEALTHCARE......Tax stock
buys....goods......Land buys ....plant and equipment buys.....eliminate
deductions........This tax to fund everything being funded now....SSI,
SSD ......then Implement a 7% INCOME TAX to fund only HEALTHCARE......7%
is what Panama uses they have no property tax.......OK so
far?......Better yet....That 7% goes into a HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT to be
used ONLY for healthcare....use it to buy INSURANCE....plans to be
offered by independent companies and free market driven and sold...OR
Use it to self insure.......invest it.......Negotiate with your doc,
your hospital, using your account alone or your purchased
insurance.....Govt IS OUT.....private industry competes...Insurance
companies are for profit offers without govt mandates....you choose your
plan......non workers get bare minimum contributions.....medicaid is
paired back to essential services...no frills no knee replacements no
hip replacements....Trump packages all this with a one time offer to
repatriate any foreign held American Companies assets with a mere 2%
penalty......which also goes to healthcare..........whats wrong with
it?....would it work.....would it put such pressure on congress....that
those
Posted by: concealedkerry or submit at July 19, 2017 07:18 PM (kHv/o)
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Coulter's two sentence GOP health care bill sings to me:
In America, it shall be legal to sell health insurance on the free market. This law supersedes all other laws, taxes, mandates, coverage requirements, regulations or prohibitions, state or federal.
Keep all your Obamacare policies if you want, insurance companies, but you can also sell other policies that don't mandate coverage. Let the market sort things out while we make provisions for the truly indigent (you know, the ones who don't own two cars, two flat screens, air conditioning, cable TV, etc.).
In America, it shall be legal to sell health insurance on the free market. This law supersedes all other laws, taxes, mandates, coverage requirements, regulations or prohibitions, state or federal.
Keep all your Obamacare policies if you want, insurance companies, but you can also sell other policies that don't mandate coverage. Let the market sort things out while we make provisions for the truly indigent (you know, the ones who don't own two cars, two flat screens, air conditioning, cable TV, etc.).
Posted by: Lawrence Larson at July 19, 2017 10:38 PM (d/r2I)
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