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Charlie Gard Granted Permanent Legal Residence in US for Treatment, but UK Doctors Still Think He Should Be "Permitted to Die"
The judge-appointed expert attempted to explain to his UK doctors why he thought treatment was viable and should be attempted-- but they still want to pull the plug without all that "first do no harm" baggage weighting them down.
The digest from the Daily Mail:Charlie has been given permanent US residence so he can fly there for treatment Connie Yates and Chris Gard release photo of Charlie 'looking' at a colourful toy Charlie Gard's doctors are still convinced that he should be allowed to die The medics failed to be persuaded by American neuroscientist Dr Michio Hirano Dr Hirano had spent five and a half hours trying to talk round Charlie's doctors
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Foist
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 19, 2017 01:27 PM (ul9CR)
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Die Baby Die!
Posted by: rd at July 19, 2017 01:28 PM (4dz1m)
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Can't type what I want to say other than I'll be praying for little Charlie.
And I'll try to pray for his persecutors, too.
And I'll try to pray for his persecutors, too.
Posted by: makatta at July 19, 2017 01:28 PM (Y7Qzg)
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So, the UK doctors are literally Bane from The Dark Knight Rises?
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 19, 2017 01:29 PM (KUaJL)
5
Jeff Sessions approves of the UK doctors position.
Posted by: Under Fire at July 19, 2017 01:29 PM (mcI77)
6
The King's Men in the National Health Service have determined that the child's life is forfeit.
Posted by: rd at July 19, 2017 01:30 PM (4dz1m)
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My insurance plan, corrupted by the Democrats, helpfully will provide a tube of ointment for most situations.
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at July 19, 2017 01:30 PM (FTlwv)
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Daily Mail?
Um, Charlie Gard has not been given legal residence in US yet. Needs to pass House & Senate.
Um, Charlie Gard has not been given legal residence in US yet. Needs to pass House & Senate.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 19, 2017 01:30 PM (MduLE)
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What bothers me the most, and what should bother everyone, is not that the UK govt made a death panel choice here. That is to be expected.
What is most troubling is that they refuse to allow ANYONE not even the freaking Pope to offer assistance in contravention of their decision.
What is most troubling is that they refuse to allow ANYONE not even the freaking Pope to offer assistance in contravention of their decision.
Posted by: blaster at July 19, 2017 01:31 PM (lALnC)
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Did the UK doctors try the "machine that goes `ping'" yet? If not, why not?
Posted by: Publius Redux at July 19, 2017 01:31 PM (Fb9aZ)
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And there will be no 'death panels' here, either.
Posted by: davidt at July 19, 2017 01:31 PM (XoldI)
12
More evidence that the UK is being corrupted by immigrants from the third world mentality that life is cheap.
Posted by: Dang at July 19, 2017 01:32 PM (8b+oT)
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Shouldn't the NHS be tripping over their own little dicks trying to get another country to take on this baby's case, and by doing so purge a lost cause from their books? Why are they being such bastards about this case?
(That's a rhetorical question, of course....)
(That's a rhetorical question, of course....)
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 19, 2017 01:32 PM (hcyUh)
Posted by: Hikaru at July 19, 2017 01:32 PM (XMDuf)
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Back for a little while. This is what you get when you have socialized medical care, otherwise known as single payer. As Sarah Palin was severely castigated by the liberal pukes, "death panels".
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 19, 2017 01:33 PM (mpXpK)
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Word to the wise, if you have a stomach ache, avoid England.
Posted by: dantesed at July 19, 2017 01:33 PM (88xKn)
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Do we know if the baby actually identifies as "Charlie"?
Posted by: Roland THTG at July 19, 2017 01:33 PM (baYK5)
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The article also sasy this - -the UK doesn't give a shit with the US says about the case:
"But legal sources said Charlie is the subject of a High Court order and it made no difference what passport he held.
And last Friday, the judge made it clear it would be illegal for Charlie to travel to America without his permission."
So, he's still not going to make it to the US. The UK docs are unswayed.
"But legal sources said Charlie is the subject of a High Court order and it made no difference what passport he held.
And last Friday, the judge made it clear it would be illegal for Charlie to travel to America without his permission."
So, he's still not going to make it to the US. The UK docs are unswayed.
Posted by: zombie at July 19, 2017 01:34 PM (DQ4Fv)
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UK Doctors et al. are now judiciously stalling with process to ensure the baby dies before anyone else steps in to render aid.
They are defining themselves now as monsters whether they recognize it or not.
They are defining themselves now as monsters whether they recognize it or not.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 19, 2017 01:34 PM (H8S+R)
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Liberal Republican Senators to Block Defunding Planned Parenthood in Obamacare Repeal
These 3 female Senators want Charlie to die.
These 3 female Senators want Charlie to die.
Posted by: Under Fire at July 19, 2017 01:34 PM (mcI77)
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Saw that the appointed lawyer representing Charlie Guard is - get this! - head of an assisted death organization.
Un-freakin-believable!
Un-freakin-believable!
Posted by: Lizzy at July 19, 2017 01:34 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 01:34 PM (mf5HN)
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But they don't have a death penalty, cause they're civilized.
Once again, I am glad that my ancestors took shots at theirs.
Once again, I am glad that my ancestors took shots at theirs.
Posted by: Papist Bograt at July 19, 2017 01:34 PM (326rv)
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I am almost positive that this child will die soon. And I hope it is in an American hospital surrounded by caring pediatric intensive care doctors and nurses and his parents.
Not in some euthanasia-happy shithole hospital in England.
This case is a perfect distillation of my hatred of the state.
Not in some euthanasia-happy shithole hospital in England.
This case is a perfect distillation of my hatred of the state.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 19, 2017 01:34 PM (wYseH)
25
Authorities don't like challenges to their authority.
Posted by: davidt at July 19, 2017 01:35 PM (XoldI)
26
nd last Friday, the judge made it clear it would be illegal for Charlie to travel to America without his permission."
But the rapists of Rotherham were free to travel.
But the rapists of Rotherham were free to travel.
Posted by: Papist Bograt at July 19, 2017 01:35 PM (326rv)
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I wonder if his parents will leave England after what their country has done to their baby?
Posted by: josephistan at July 19, 2017 01:35 PM (7HtZB)
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THIS is socialized Medicine. I hope the left chokes on it.
But I am so sorry for Charlie and his family..for a left wing socialized government to do this is unforgivable
But I am so sorry for Charlie and his family..for a left wing socialized government to do this is unforgivable
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 19, 2017 01:35 PM (SjImc)
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If the parents said that the baby was gender neutral the progs would be tripping over themselves to keep the little xuy alive. No matter the cost
Posted by: Rick in SK at July 19, 2017 01:35 PM (FZYNt)
30
Susan Collins is Satan.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 19, 2017 01:36 PM (XMDuf)
31
Somehow, someway, Trump will be blamed for this.
For being a science denier and overruling doctors who "know what's best."
Or, more likely, the MFM will bury this deeper than a Somali cop's trigger finger.
Hey, Europe, remember how you laugh when people call America the world's last, best hope?
Charlie Gard is why we are.
For being a science denier and overruling doctors who "know what's best."
Or, more likely, the MFM will bury this deeper than a Somali cop's trigger finger.
Hey, Europe, remember how you laugh when people call America the world's last, best hope?
Charlie Gard is why we are.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 19, 2017 01:36 PM (X6fMO)
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y'know, the GOPe's decision not to raise a whimper about a recount in NH may be coming back to bite them. Not that I was a fan of Ayotte. But she lost by 700-something votes, and no recount?
GOPe gotta GOPe.
GOPe gotta GOPe.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 19, 2017 01:36 PM (ul9CR)
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Hopefully, when Charlie is an adult, he can become the chief judge to preside over the trials of his UK doctors for crimes against humanity.
Posted by: Roy at July 19, 2017 01:36 PM (7n4KQ)
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This case is a perfect distillation of my hatred of the state.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 19, 2017 01:34 PM (wYseH)
Exactly
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 19, 2017 01:34 PM (wYseH)
Exactly
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 19, 2017 01:36 PM (SjImc)
Posted by: rickb223 at July 19, 2017 01:36 PM (G0G8s)
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Respect my Author-i-DIE!
Posted by: Death Panel Cartman at July 19, 2017 01:36 PM (8iiMU)
37
Details:
Charlie Gard's parents have privately expressed their concern after
discovering that the lawyer appointed to represent their 11-month-old
son in court heads a charity that backs assisted dying.
Victoria Butler-Cole, who speaks on Charlie's behalf in court, is
chairman of Compassion in Dying, a sister organisation to Dignity in
Dying which campaigns for a change in the law to make assisted dying
legal in the UK. Dignity in Dying used to be called the Voluntary
Euthanasia Society....
Charlie Gard's parents have privately expressed their concern after
discovering that the lawyer appointed to represent their 11-month-old
son in court heads a charity that backs assisted dying.
Victoria Butler-Cole, who speaks on Charlie's behalf in court, is
chairman of Compassion in Dying, a sister organisation to Dignity in
Dying which campaigns for a change in the law to make assisted dying
legal in the UK. Dignity in Dying used to be called the Voluntary
Euthanasia Society....
Posted by: Lizzy at July 19, 2017 01:37 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 19, 2017 01:37 PM (ul9CR)
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This case is important because it illustrates EXACTLY what "Death Panels" are, and that they do indeed exist.
The governing board of Great Ormond Street Hospital in this case are acting as a Death Panel and demanding that this child be killed.
And under socialized medicine, THE PARENTS HAVE NO RIGHTS and can NOT overrules the death panel.
This should send a chill through the US. This should spell the end of Obamacare and the single-payer fantasy.
But no. We are ruled by cowards.
The governing board of Great Ormond Street Hospital in this case are acting as a Death Panel and demanding that this child be killed.
And under socialized medicine, THE PARENTS HAVE NO RIGHTS and can NOT overrules the death panel.
This should send a chill through the US. This should spell the end of Obamacare and the single-payer fantasy.
But no. We are ruled by cowards.
Posted by: zombie at July 19, 2017 01:37 PM (DQ4Fv)
40
Saw that the appointed lawyer representing Charlie Guard is - get this! - head of an assisted death organization.
Un-freakin-believable!
Posted by: Lizzy
-----
We had a guy from the hemlock society (pro-suicide group) try to become a volunteer at the suicide and crisis center where I volunteered. The pro death people are a cult-like, obsessed group. And we thought Molech worshipers had all died off...
Un-freakin-believable!
Posted by: Lizzy
-----
We had a guy from the hemlock society (pro-suicide group) try to become a volunteer at the suicide and crisis center where I volunteered. The pro death people are a cult-like, obsessed group. And we thought Molech worshipers had all died off...
Posted by: Dang at July 19, 2017 01:37 PM (8b+oT)
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Well, this is why some of us favor limited government.
I don't think this has a good outcome no matter what. The kid has terminal cancer and brain damage.
I don't get why any government, anywhere, thinks it has any legitimacy in overriding the wishes of loving, desperate parents.
This, to me, is more about the totalitarian impulse in all governments than about what becomes of the boy.
I don't think this has a good outcome no matter what. The kid has terminal cancer and brain damage.
I don't get why any government, anywhere, thinks it has any legitimacy in overriding the wishes of loving, desperate parents.
This, to me, is more about the totalitarian impulse in all governments than about what becomes of the boy.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 19, 2017 01:37 PM (gIRsn)
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33 Hopefully, when Charlie is an adult, he can become the chief judge to preside over the trials of his UK doctors for crimes against humanity.
Now that would make a good screenplay.
Now that would make a good screenplay.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 19, 2017 01:37 PM (ul9CR)
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33 Hopefully, when Charlie is an adult, he can become the chief judge to preside over the trials of his UK doctors for crimes against humanity.
Posted by: Roy
And that little baby grew up to be Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.
And now you know.... the rest.... of the story
Good Day!
Posted by: Roy
And that little baby grew up to be Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.
And now you know.... the rest.... of the story
Good Day!
Posted by: Zombie Paul Harvey at July 19, 2017 01:37 PM (FZYNt)
44
My understanding from my reading is that health care in the UK is perfectly fine and caring and advanced right up to a certain level of care. Beyond that level their mandate is to hustle you out of the system any way they can, even if that means pulling the plug on you.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at July 19, 2017 01:38 PM (RD7QR)
45
Come'ere little Charlie!
Mama needs a new Lamborghini!!
Mama needs a new Lamborghini!!
Posted by: Cecile Richard's Blackened Soul at July 19, 2017 01:38 PM (hleDf)
46
davidt: "And there will be no 'death panels' here, either."
Exactly. Call "it" what you want but the process (means) will be legislated so that the desire (ends) is reached.
Exactly. Call "it" what you want but the process (means) will be legislated so that the desire (ends) is reached.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 19, 2017 01:38 PM (H8S+R)
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THIS is socialized Medicine. I hope the left chokes on it.
"This is one case. You can't cherry-pick to fit your rightwing hatred.
"And anyway, the parents are Christians, aren't they? Shouldn't they be happy their kid is going to hold hands with Jeebus?"
- your typical, ought-to-be-defenestrated, leftist.
"This is one case. You can't cherry-pick to fit your rightwing hatred.
"And anyway, the parents are Christians, aren't they? Shouldn't they be happy their kid is going to hold hands with Jeebus?"
- your typical, ought-to-be-defenestrated, leftist.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 19, 2017 01:38 PM (X6fMO)
48
>>But they don't have a death penalty, cause they're civilized.
And almost all of their cops don't carry guns, because someone might get hurt!
And almost all of their cops don't carry guns, because someone might get hurt!
Posted by: Lizzy at July 19, 2017 01:39 PM (NOIQH)
49
They should announce that they converted to mohammadism.
Posted by: Papist Bograt at July 19, 2017 01:39 PM (326rv)
50
During the anesthesia and preparations for cataract surgery on a woman in Not So Great Britain, they found 27 contacts in her eyes.
Somehow, during all her regular exams, all the pre surgery exams, and everything, no one noticed that she had a blue mass of 17 contacts in one eye. And I guess the other ten were in the other.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jul/17/surgeons-remove-27-contact-lenses-from-womans-eye
Somehow, during all her regular exams, all the pre surgery exams, and everything, no one noticed that she had a blue mass of 17 contacts in one eye. And I guess the other ten were in the other.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jul/17/surgeons-remove-27-contact-lenses-from-womans-eye
Posted by: rd at July 19, 2017 01:39 PM (4dz1m)
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47 THIS is socialized Medicine. I hope the left chokes on it.
"This is one case. You can't cherry-pick to fit your rightwing hatred.
"And anyway, the parents are Christians, aren't they? Shouldn't they be happy their kid is going to hold hands with Jeebus?"
- your typical, ought-to-be-defenestrated, leftist.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 19, 2017 01:38 PM (X6fMO)
Defenestration - the word and the practice are under-used.
"This is one case. You can't cherry-pick to fit your rightwing hatred.
"And anyway, the parents are Christians, aren't they? Shouldn't they be happy their kid is going to hold hands with Jeebus?"
- your typical, ought-to-be-defenestrated, leftist.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 19, 2017 01:38 PM (X6fMO)
Defenestration - the word and the practice are under-used.
Posted by: josephistan at July 19, 2017 01:39 PM (7HtZB)
52
I have a good friend who keeps bees. One stung him about a week ago and within 24-hours he was having problems with vertigo and nausea. Never happened to him before and he's been stung plenty of times in the past. Met over the weekend with a husband and wife - both MDs and both beekeepers. Told them each, separately, his story. One MD said "almost certainly an allergic shock reaction" while the other said "almost certainly NOT an allergic shock reaction".
Taught him something I learned a long time ago - most folks with MDs, despite their arrogant know-it-all attitude, basically don't know shit. My MD - good man, good Christian - admitted as much to me as I noticed him typing away during an office visit on his Professional Version of WebMD. His admission was that most "modern medicine" is basically nothing more than the science of big data sets. They use "best practices" and expect "typical results".
Medicine used to be called "medical arts" and used to be practiced by local folks who made housecalls and were very up-front (for the most part) about their limitations. Now? Seems that Big Medicine has a bit of a god complex, these people are making life-and-death decisions for people using essentially the upgraded version of what you or I could pull from the internet for free.
Apologies to all the MDs on this thread, I mean no offense. Just calling it like I sees it.
Taught him something I learned a long time ago - most folks with MDs, despite their arrogant know-it-all attitude, basically don't know shit. My MD - good man, good Christian - admitted as much to me as I noticed him typing away during an office visit on his Professional Version of WebMD. His admission was that most "modern medicine" is basically nothing more than the science of big data sets. They use "best practices" and expect "typical results".
Medicine used to be called "medical arts" and used to be practiced by local folks who made housecalls and were very up-front (for the most part) about their limitations. Now? Seems that Big Medicine has a bit of a god complex, these people are making life-and-death decisions for people using essentially the upgraded version of what you or I could pull from the internet for free.
Apologies to all the MDs on this thread, I mean no offense. Just calling it like I sees it.
Posted by: DocJ at July 19, 2017 01:40 PM (7bkOX)
Posted by: Insomniac, Pimp Hand of the Patriarchy at July 19, 2017 01:40 PM (0mRoj)
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The evil assholishess of the left is beyond belief. Every time I think they can't get worse, they get worse. All of these UK "doctors" are Harold Shipman in disguise. They are f*cking ghoulish pieces of garbage.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at July 19, 2017 01:40 PM (xAvrH)
55
But they don't have a death penalty, cause they're civilized.
And almost all of their cops don't carry guns, because someone might get hurt!
Posted by: Lizzy
Except that the number of cops being armed is rising. Despite gun control. And knife control.
And now they are pondering acid control.
And almost all of their cops don't carry guns, because someone might get hurt!
Posted by: Lizzy
Except that the number of cops being armed is rising. Despite gun control. And knife control.
And now they are pondering acid control.
Posted by: Papist Bograt at July 19, 2017 01:41 PM (326rv)
56
Apologies to all the MDs on this thread, I mean no offense. Just calling it like I sees it.
Posted by: DocJ
pretty judgemental
I contribute to atomic research
Posted by: DocJ
pretty judgemental
I contribute to atomic research
Posted by: Dr.No at July 19, 2017 01:41 PM (FZYNt)
57
Medicine used to be called "medical arts" and used to be practiced by local folks who made housecalls and were very up-front (for the most part) about their limitations.
Still called "a practice".
Still called "a practice".
Posted by: rickb223 at July 19, 2017 01:42 PM (G0G8s)
Posted by: Dang at July 19, 2017 01:42 PM (8b+oT)
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IIRC, many nations will not extradite their violent criminals to the US because the US is a horrible nation which continues to employ the death penalty.
I mean, what civilized nation allows their own government to condemn them to death?
I mean, what civilized nation allows their own government to condemn them to death?
Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at July 19, 2017 01:42 PM (3NjrP)
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50 During the anesthesia and preparations for cataract surgery on a woman in Not So Great Britain, they found 27 contacts in her eyes.
Somehow, during all her regular exams, all the pre surgery exams, and everything, no one noticed that she had a blue mass of 17 contacts in one eye. And I guess the other ten were in the other.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jul/17/surgeons-remove-27-contact-lenses-from-womans-eye
Posted by: rd at July 19, 2017 01:39 PM (4dz1m)
"For God's sake you idiot didn't you read the warning about contacts on the damn box?"
"I couldn't read the warning and couldn't see the box because my eyes were full of contacts!"
*facepalm*
Somehow, during all her regular exams, all the pre surgery exams, and everything, no one noticed that she had a blue mass of 17 contacts in one eye. And I guess the other ten were in the other.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jul/17/surgeons-remove-27-contact-lenses-from-womans-eye
Posted by: rd at July 19, 2017 01:39 PM (4dz1m)
"For God's sake you idiot didn't you read the warning about contacts on the damn box?"
"I couldn't read the warning and couldn't see the box because my eyes were full of contacts!"
*facepalm*
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 19, 2017 01:42 PM (4ErVI)
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God Bless Charlie.
Posted by: steevy at July 19, 2017 01:42 PM (rmVvL)
62
Ghouls, the lot of them.
Posted by: Insomniac, Pimp Hand of the Patriarchy at July 19, 2017 01:43 PM (0mRoj)
63
>>My understanding from my reading is that health care in the UK is
perfectly fine and caring and advanced right up to a certain level of
care.
Google "Jade Goody".
Young woman requested a pap smear because ovarian cancer ran in her family.
Nope, guidelines say you must be N years old to get one.
Can she just get one and pay for it herself?
Nope, guidelines say you must be N years old to get one.
She gets ovarian cancer before reaching N years old and dies.
The point seems to be: The guidelines identify what care you can get, with or without NHS covering the cost. If we say "no" you cannot then just go and pay someone for it, we said "no."
perfectly fine and caring and advanced right up to a certain level of
care.
Google "Jade Goody".
Young woman requested a pap smear because ovarian cancer ran in her family.
Nope, guidelines say you must be N years old to get one.
Can she just get one and pay for it herself?
Nope, guidelines say you must be N years old to get one.
She gets ovarian cancer before reaching N years old and dies.
The point seems to be: The guidelines identify what care you can get, with or without NHS covering the cost. If we say "no" you cannot then just go and pay someone for it, we said "no."
Posted by: Lizzy at July 19, 2017 01:43 PM (NOIQH)
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45 Come'ere little Charlie!
Mama needs a new Lamborghini!!
Posted by: Cecile Richard's Blackened Soul at July 19, 2017 01:38 PM (hleDf)
And the Podesta Brothers can't wait to make spaghetti sauce out of his blood.
Mama needs a new Lamborghini!!
Posted by: Cecile Richard's Blackened Soul at July 19, 2017 01:38 PM (hleDf)
And the Podesta Brothers can't wait to make spaghetti sauce out of his blood.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 19, 2017 01:43 PM (XMDuf)
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Posted by: DocJ at July 19, 2017 01:40 PM (7bkOX)
6 years ago a periodontist told me I needed $16,000 worth of surgery not covered by my plan, or all my teeth would start falling out within a year.
I got a second opinion, which consisted of, and I paraphrase: "Is he f'ing kidding?"
6 years later, haven't lost one yet.
6 years ago a periodontist told me I needed $16,000 worth of surgery not covered by my plan, or all my teeth would start falling out within a year.
I got a second opinion, which consisted of, and I paraphrase: "Is he f'ing kidding?"
6 years later, haven't lost one yet.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 19, 2017 01:43 PM (ul9CR)
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44 My understanding from my reading is that health care in the UK is perfectly fine and caring and advanced right up to a certain level of care.
The next thing you are going to tell me is that they have finally mastered the science of dental hygiene.
The next thing you are going to tell me is that they have finally mastered the science of dental hygiene.
Posted by: Under Fire at July 19, 2017 01:43 PM (mcI77)
67
Lizzy: "...Victoria Butler-Cole, who speaks on Charlie's behalf in court, is chairman of Compassion in Dying, a sister organisation to Dignity in Dying which campaigns for a change in the law to make assisted dying legal in the UK...
Well Sonuvabitch!
Just when you think they are being only moderately transparent in their death march, they pull something like that.
Well Sonuvabitch!
Just when you think they are being only moderately transparent in their death march, they pull something like that.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 19, 2017 01:43 PM (H8S+R)
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". His admission was that most "modern medicine" is basically nothing more than the science of big data sets"
in old Nineveh, medical clay tablets would offer advice like "if the doctor sees a white pig, the patient shall live; if a black piy, he shall die". according to Gonick's cartoon history, anyway.
looks like we're living in a dark age.
in old Nineveh, medical clay tablets would offer advice like "if the doctor sees a white pig, the patient shall live; if a black piy, he shall die". according to Gonick's cartoon history, anyway.
looks like we're living in a dark age.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at July 19, 2017 01:44 PM (aUDc+)
69
It's too late for Charlie Gard.
It's unbelievable that congress would spend time on a special amendment to grant special favor to one foreign citizen, while refusing to repeal an abomination of law that will put all of us in the same situation Charlie Gard is in now.
un effin believable.
It's unbelievable that congress would spend time on a special amendment to grant special favor to one foreign citizen, while refusing to repeal an abomination of law that will put all of us in the same situation Charlie Gard is in now.
un effin believable.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 01:44 PM (m9X4Y)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 19, 2017 01:44 PM (r+sAi)
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at July 19, 2017 01:44 PM (Nwg0u)
72
I don't have the words to express my contempt. I was born very premature with Cerebral palsy(they were wrong I actually have a rare movement disorder called SCA) with additional infections. I barely survived with the care that was state of the art in 196? (i'm 29 now) WOULD i HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO LIVE IF I WAS BORN IN THE UK? SPIT!
Posted by: USNtakim at July 19, 2017 01:45 PM (zZWkn)
73
Free Shit for London hood rats > Charlie Gard.
Posted by: Roland THTG at July 19, 2017 01:45 PM (baYK5)
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Susan Collins is Satan.
Murkowski is Satan's used toilet paper.
nobody wants to be the meat in that sandwich
Murkowski is Satan's used toilet paper.
nobody wants to be the meat in that sandwich
Posted by: Rick in SK at July 19, 2017 01:45 PM (FZYNt)
75
And now they are pondering acid control.
Posted by: Papist Bograt at July 19, 2017 01:41 PM (326rv)
No way man!
Posted by: Papist Bograt at July 19, 2017 01:41 PM (326rv)
No way man!
Posted by: Guy in lawn seats at Dead & Co., staring at his hands at July 19, 2017 01:45 PM (7HtZB)
Posted by: J. Sessions at July 19, 2017 01:46 PM (mcI77)
77
My understanding from my reading is that health care in the UK is
perfectly fine and caring and advanced right up to a certain level of
care.
Yes as long as you are healthy, it's fantastic
perfectly fine and caring and advanced right up to a certain level of
care.
Yes as long as you are healthy, it's fantastic
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 19, 2017 01:46 PM (SjImc)
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Well, this is why some of us favor limited government.
I don't think this has a good outcome no matter what. The kid has terminal cancer and brain damage.
I don't get why any government, anywhere, thinks it has any legitimacy in overriding the wishes of loving, desperate parents.
This, to me, is more about the totalitarian impulse in all governments than about what becomes of the boy.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 19, 2017 01:37 PM (gIRsn)
Exactly this.
The parents want to try a desperate experimental treatment that they know has a .000000001 percent chance of helping. They raised the money to pay for it. There is literally no reason in the world for the courts to stop them other than to reiterate that your very body belongs to the State.
Here's the thing. And this is an awful, terrible thing. Even if the treatment fails, which it will, it will still generate data which may serve to help people in the future. It's not just this child that the court is harming, it's future children as well.
Also everyone knows why the hospital will not let the parents take him home. If they do, there are many people who will help them flee the country with him.
I don't think this has a good outcome no matter what. The kid has terminal cancer and brain damage.
I don't get why any government, anywhere, thinks it has any legitimacy in overriding the wishes of loving, desperate parents.
This, to me, is more about the totalitarian impulse in all governments than about what becomes of the boy.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 19, 2017 01:37 PM (gIRsn)
Exactly this.
The parents want to try a desperate experimental treatment that they know has a .000000001 percent chance of helping. They raised the money to pay for it. There is literally no reason in the world for the courts to stop them other than to reiterate that your very body belongs to the State.
Here's the thing. And this is an awful, terrible thing. Even if the treatment fails, which it will, it will still generate data which may serve to help people in the future. It's not just this child that the court is harming, it's future children as well.
Also everyone knows why the hospital will not let the parents take him home. If they do, there are many people who will help them flee the country with him.
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 01:46 PM (mf5HN)
79
Once again, Hayek has proven to be a visionary.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2017 01:46 PM (/tuJf)
80
Mensch ain't done yet. This is an add-on to her "Death penalty being considered for Bannon" Tweet, that's why it starts mid-sentence:
Louise Mensch @LouiseMensch
being considered for others. Guiliani begged for a deal and was told to pound sand. He sang completely for "consideration" at sentencing
8:03 AM - 19 Jul 2017
Louise Mensch @LouiseMensch
being considered for others. Guiliani begged for a deal and was told to pound sand. He sang completely for "consideration" at sentencing
8:03 AM - 19 Jul 2017
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 19, 2017 01:46 PM (ul9CR)
81
>>>The next thing you are going to tell me is that they have finally mastered the science of dental hygiene
Confucius say best time to see dentist is tooth hurty.
Confucius say best time to see dentist is tooth hurty.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 19, 2017 01:46 PM (MduLE)
82
A lady I knew from Germany knocked her teeth out when she was young and wanted to get the implants fixed or somehow made better here in the US. The first dentist she went to wanted to report whoever had done the shoddy work until he heard it was a socialized medicine German dentist. Her gums looked blue like a chow's mouth.
Posted by: Dang at July 19, 2017 01:47 PM (8b+oT)
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Dunno what else to say except that the Hippocratic oath means nothing to those Brit doctors. Politics replaces humanity, Orwell was right once in Animal Farm and a second time in 1984.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 01:47 PM (3OIiX)
84
Do not take the brown acid!
Posted by: Shit heard on the loudspeaker at July 19, 2017 01:47 PM (1LOcx)
85
pretty judgemental
I contribute to atomic research
Posted by: Dr.No at July 19, 2017 01:41 PM (FZYNt)Indeed. Could be a little bitter from having multiple MDs jerk me around for years before deciding I actually DID have a thyroid condition that required treatment. And then, when the treatments didn't work as expected, saying things like "well let's double your meds and see what happens".So yeah, I could be a little bitter.
I contribute to atomic research
Posted by: Dr.No at July 19, 2017 01:41 PM (FZYNt)Indeed. Could be a little bitter from having multiple MDs jerk me around for years before deciding I actually DID have a thyroid condition that required treatment. And then, when the treatments didn't work as expected, saying things like "well let's double your meds and see what happens".So yeah, I could be a little bitter.
Posted by: DocJ at July 19, 2017 01:47 PM (7bkOX)
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That a Judge is even involved in this decision, tells me the West has a real problem with the Law, giving way too much power, to Judges...
Kritarchy.... rule by Judges...
Kritarchy.... rule by Judges...
Posted by: Don Q. at July 19, 2017 01:47 PM (NgKpN)
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Posted by: zombie at July 19, 2017 01:34 PM (DQ4Fv
These doctors have in their God Like Perfection made their decision. Who are Charlie's parents to question their judgment?
Who are you to question these expert doctors?
These doctors have in their God Like Perfection made their decision. Who are Charlie's parents to question their judgment?
Who are you to question these expert doctors?
Posted by: rd at July 19, 2017 01:47 PM (4dz1m)
88
The next thing you are going to tell me is that they have finally mastered the science of dental hygiene
Confucius say best time to see dentist is tooth hurty.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 19, 2017 01:46 PM (MduLE)
THAT hurts, but thanks. Better to groan about bad puns than to get angry about evil doctors.
Confucius say best time to see dentist is tooth hurty.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 19, 2017 01:46 PM (MduLE)
THAT hurts, but thanks. Better to groan about bad puns than to get angry about evil doctors.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 01:48 PM (3OIiX)
89
So Many Things.
1. Someone needs to send the court and doctors MBDA hats. Make Brits Dead Again.
2. So basically they're denying travel rights to British citizens on the grounds that they might find something better... or simply survive. Welcome back, Berlin Wall!
3. What grotesque people. Really. All this drama to prove your prediction that a child could not be saved "correct." How horrifying.
1. Someone needs to send the court and doctors MBDA hats. Make Brits Dead Again.
2. So basically they're denying travel rights to British citizens on the grounds that they might find something better... or simply survive. Welcome back, Berlin Wall!
3. What grotesque people. Really. All this drama to prove your prediction that a child could not be saved "correct." How horrifying.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 01:48 PM (wB8Tg)
90
Can't we just admit that the Left is another "death cult" like Islam?
Posted by: geoffb5 at July 19, 2017 01:48 PM (d3wbb)
91
87 Posted by: zombie at July 19, 2017 01:34 PM (DQ4Fv
These doctors have in their God Like Perfection made their decision. Who are Charlie's parents to question their judgment?
Who are you to question these expert doctors?
Posted by: rd at July 19, 2017 01:47 PM (4dz1m)
Especially when they are Official Agents of the Government?
These doctors have in their God Like Perfection made their decision. Who are Charlie's parents to question their judgment?
Who are you to question these expert doctors?
Posted by: rd at July 19, 2017 01:47 PM (4dz1m)
Especially when they are Official Agents of the Government?
Posted by: Hikaru at July 19, 2017 01:48 PM (XMDuf)
92
I was struck by the whole "and he's blind..." thing, as if that's somehow an added justification for pulling the plug?
WTF?? Where are the disabled rights activists screaming bloody murder about this shit?
"Well, you can't even see, so you're not even really a person anymore..."
Just.... wow, man. what the hell. These are supposed to be doctors.
WTF?? Where are the disabled rights activists screaming bloody murder about this shit?
"Well, you can't even see, so you're not even really a person anymore..."
Just.... wow, man. what the hell. These are supposed to be doctors.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 19, 2017 01:49 PM (hcyUh)
93
Here is my contemporaneous story:
Grandson born on Sunday, 11lb 1oz. Healthy, mother healthy, etc. Everyone is happy. Wednesday am, mother's BP is troublesome; baby's billirubin (?) is high, etc. Normal birth, no problems (aside from being first kid).
My take is that everyone would be healthier and happier at home.
Grandson born on Sunday, 11lb 1oz. Healthy, mother healthy, etc. Everyone is happy. Wednesday am, mother's BP is troublesome; baby's billirubin (?) is high, etc. Normal birth, no problems (aside from being first kid).
My take is that everyone would be healthier and happier at home.
Posted by: mustbequantum at July 19, 2017 01:49 PM (MIKMs)
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Posted by: DocJ at July 19, 2017 01:40 PM (7bkOX)
I think every doctor should have software where you put in every piece of information , both subjective and objective you gather from the patient and let the computer spit out possible diagnosis.
I think every doctor should have software where you put in every piece of information , both subjective and objective you gather from the patient and let the computer spit out possible diagnosis.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 01:49 PM (bN6TL)
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It's my understanding the child has severe brain damage.
Permanent residency means that he will qualify for many, many public services for potentially many years to come.
Permanent residency means that he will qualify for many, many public services for potentially many years to come.
Posted by: BarcelonaCarmen at July 19, 2017 01:49 PM (RHjCR)
96
PDT is pushing the repeal and replace again. FFS.
Posted by: Under Fire at July 19, 2017 01:49 PM (mcI77)
97
I don't want to go on the cart
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at July 19, 2017 01:49 PM (aUDc+)
98
Too bad little Charlie isn't mohammedian.
Posted by: The mass media can all EABOD at July 19, 2017 01:50 PM (psJlG)
99
My understanding from my reading is that health care in the UK is perfectly fine and caring and advanced right up to a certain level of
care.
Ex-colleague, a Canadian and hard-leftist, characterized socialized medicine as such - it's truly wonderful, until you get sick.
That was in 1997.
care.
Ex-colleague, a Canadian and hard-leftist, characterized socialized medicine as such - it's truly wonderful, until you get sick.
That was in 1997.
Posted by: DocJ at July 19, 2017 01:50 PM (7bkOX)
100
80 Mensch ain't done yet. This is an add-on to her "Death penalty being considered for Bannon" Tweet, that's why it starts mid-sentence:
Louise Mensch @LouiseMensch
being considered for others. Guiliani begged for a deal and was told to pound sand. He sang completely for "consideration" at sentencing
8:03 AM - 19 Jul 2017
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 19, 2017 01:46 PM (ul9CR)
So now there is a Star Chamber trying these guys or something?
I can't believe the kooks that populate places like The Palmer Report while taking bong hits from Mensch's feed actually believe this crap.
Damn Louise if you're scraping for ad revenue at least make this stuff semi-believable.
Louise Mensch @LouiseMensch
being considered for others. Guiliani begged for a deal and was told to pound sand. He sang completely for "consideration" at sentencing
8:03 AM - 19 Jul 2017
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 19, 2017 01:46 PM (ul9CR)
So now there is a Star Chamber trying these guys or something?
I can't believe the kooks that populate places like The Palmer Report while taking bong hits from Mensch's feed actually believe this crap.
Damn Louise if you're scraping for ad revenue at least make this stuff semi-believable.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 19, 2017 01:50 PM (4ErVI)
101
Socialized medicine. Can't wait for that shit to go full on bat crazy here; shouldn't have to wait much longer, I've been told.
Posted by: Strobe at July 19, 2017 01:50 PM (gbWkA)
102
If only he were an islamic baby who's dad had ties to terrorists...
Posted by: Dang at July 19, 2017 01:50 PM (8b+oT)
103
OT: The Supremes have refused the State Dept's request to clarify their order regarding relatives of immigrants. Most of Watson's order stands.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 19, 2017 01:50 PM (398bZ)
104
"After the operation, when that poor girl she went into a coma, Dr. Towler called me in. He told me that he'd had five difficult deliveries in a row and he was tired... and he never looked at the admittance form. And he told me to change the form. He told me to change the '1' to a '9'... or else... or else he said, he said he'd fire me. He said I'd never work again. Who were these men? Who were these men?"
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 01:50 PM (3OIiX)
105
Also, the far left, which will have screaming fits if you simply *point out* that money isn't infinite and not every fallen sparrow can be attended, will also, when they have power, send you to your grave because budgets and rules.
Proving once and for all that it was *never* about helping people, it was *always* about Who's In Charge.
Proving once and for all that it was *never* about helping people, it was *always* about Who's In Charge.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 01:51 PM (wB8Tg)
106
Why does the UK government want to deny treatment to little Charlie? It's not because of the cost of his treatment - his parents have raised over a million pounds on their own for him. It's that if they say yes to Charlie, then they have to say yes to every child like him, and that's a drain on resources. He has to die to discourage others from living.
Posted by: josephistan at July 19, 2017 01:51 PM (7HtZB)
107
Skandia Recluse: "un effin believable."
And by that you mean "wholly expected," of course.
If the GOPe didn't disappoint us, it really wouldn't have a reason for existing.
And by that you mean "wholly expected," of course.
If the GOPe didn't disappoint us, it really wouldn't have a reason for existing.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 19, 2017 01:51 PM (H8S+R)
108
I think every doctor should have software where you put in every piece
of information , both subjective and objective you gather from the
patient and let the computer spit out possible diagnosis.
It's called WebMD
of information , both subjective and objective you gather from the
patient and let the computer spit out possible diagnosis.
It's called WebMD
Posted by: DocJ at July 19, 2017 01:51 PM (7bkOX)
109
I don't want to go on the cart
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at July 19, 2017 01:49 PM (aUDc+)
Don't be such a baby.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at July 19, 2017 01:49 PM (aUDc+)
Don't be such a baby.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 01:51 PM (3OIiX)
110
>>This, to me, is more about the totalitarian impulse in all governments than about what becomes of the boy.
That's it exactly.
If you look at other socialized healthcare special programs, like NHS's Liverpool Care Pathway and the Netherlands' Groningen Protocol, it is always the doctor - without even consulting or informing the family - can decide to withhold medical care (and food and water with LCP) which he/she knows will kill the patient.
That's it exactly.
If you look at other socialized healthcare special programs, like NHS's Liverpool Care Pathway and the Netherlands' Groningen Protocol, it is always the doctor - without even consulting or informing the family - can decide to withhold medical care (and food and water with LCP) which he/she knows will kill the patient.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 19, 2017 01:52 PM (NOIQH)
111
Damn Louise if you're scraping for ad revenue at least make this stuff semi-believable.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 19, 2017 01:50 PM (4ErVI)
What's even more depressing than Mensch's Tweets are the responses from fellow travelers. That's some bad craziness.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 19, 2017 01:50 PM (4ErVI)
What's even more depressing than Mensch's Tweets are the responses from fellow travelers. That's some bad craziness.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 19, 2017 01:52 PM (ul9CR)
112
Every last bit of this is to remind the UK that their national health services is the final arbiter of life and death. Not the people themselves, the government. Nothing outside the state, especially not another state. If it take them killing a child, even one who realistically may not live long on his own, then so be it. the government is mother, father, the grim reaper, the tax collector, and you WILL kneel to it.
Coming to an America near you once the Democrats regain power once more.
Coming to an America near you once the Democrats regain power once more.
Posted by: sans_sheriff at July 19, 2017 01:52 PM (tXPWk)
113
Hey Donald,
Is that Trump Aircraft just sitting around?
How about sending it to London, and offering it to the Gards?
Show just how bad socialised health care really is.
Is that Trump Aircraft just sitting around?
How about sending it to London, and offering it to the Gards?
Show just how bad socialised health care really is.
Posted by: rd at July 19, 2017 01:52 PM (4dz1m)
114
This baby must be squished, and thenceforth carried to The Place of Burning.
Posted by: High Lord Vicount Moloch MD of Olde Foggybum at July 19, 2017 01:52 PM (QM5S2)
115
"Charlie Gard's parents have privately expressed their concern after discovering that the lawyer appointed to represent their 11-month-old son in court heads a charity that backs assisted dying."
We should all be shocked -- shocked!!! -- to learn that State-appointed legal counsel in a case involving a dispute between serfs and the State might just possibly have a prior predisposition to support the State's position in the matter.
We should all be shocked -- shocked!!! -- to learn that State-appointed legal counsel in a case involving a dispute between serfs and the State might just possibly have a prior predisposition to support the State's position in the matter.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 19, 2017 01:53 PM (ujwCG)
116
Always trust lawyers, judges, and doctors to know what's best for you to do in every aspect of your and your family's lives!
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 01:53 PM (gwPgz)
117
So why don't we revert to the Spartian or Norse way of dealing with sick children? Not much of a drain on scarce resources there.
Posted by: Strobe at July 19, 2017 01:54 PM (gbWkA)
118
Posted by: DocJ at July 19, 2017 01:51 PM (7bkOX)
No that's a primitive toy compared to what they really could do.
No that's a primitive toy compared to what they really could do.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 01:54 PM (bN6TL)
119
Damn Louise if you're scraping for ad revenue at least make this stuff semi-believable.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 19, 2017 01:50 PM (4ErVI)
I know I am an outlier, but part of me thinks that @louisemensch is a fantastic parody account.
I just find it difficult to believe that someone could be that stupid and that much of a liar.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 19, 2017 01:50 PM (4ErVI)
I know I am an outlier, but part of me thinks that @louisemensch is a fantastic parody account.
I just find it difficult to believe that someone could be that stupid and that much of a liar.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 19, 2017 01:54 PM (wYseH)
120
If he was a Muslim, Barack the Sun King would be over there right now demanding he be sent over.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 19, 2017 01:54 PM (WDCYi)
121
Apologies to all the MDs on this thread, I mean no offense. Just calling it like I sees it.
Posted by: DocJ
I think your experience is not unique but I also have seen only about a quarter of doctors fit your description at best. With all due respect, and I sincerely mean that, you don't know what you don't know about medicine or the online data. But guess what? It is going to get a lot worse either way. Nurse Practitioners don't know shit but really really think they know it all and they have far less education and training than MDs and DOs. Very few have any business doing more than passing out pills. They are taking over all primary care functions.
Posted by: DocJ
I think your experience is not unique but I also have seen only about a quarter of doctors fit your description at best. With all due respect, and I sincerely mean that, you don't know what you don't know about medicine or the online data. But guess what? It is going to get a lot worse either way. Nurse Practitioners don't know shit but really really think they know it all and they have far less education and training than MDs and DOs. Very few have any business doing more than passing out pills. They are taking over all primary care functions.
Posted by: Daybrother at July 19, 2017 01:54 PM (ruCvL)
122
21,
"Saw that the appointed lawyer representing Charlie Guard is - get this! - head of an assisted death organization."
The judge in a similar famous case in Florida years ago was similarly involved with an assisted "murder" group.
"Saw that the appointed lawyer representing Charlie Guard is - get this! - head of an assisted death organization."
The judge in a similar famous case in Florida years ago was similarly involved with an assisted "murder" group.
Posted by: geoffb5 at July 19, 2017 01:54 PM (d3wbb)
123
These U.K. doctors' shits all retarded.
Posted by: Hippocrates at July 19, 2017 01:55 PM (3I7wr)
124
Basically these faceless beaurocrat scumbags have become high priests in a modern death cult whether they would admit it or not. They have determined a human sacrifice is in order and they will not be deterred.
Posted by: Rumcrook at July 19, 2017 01:55 PM (4V3ga)
125
So why don't we revert to the Spartian or Norse way of dealing with sick children? Not much of a drain on scarce resources there.
Posted by: Strobe at July 19, 2017 01:54 PM (gbWkA)
A modest proposal...have we considered eating the children?
/s
Posted by: Strobe at July 19, 2017 01:54 PM (gbWkA)
A modest proposal...have we considered eating the children?
/s
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 01:55 PM (3OIiX)
126
>>Why does the UK government want to deny treatment to little Charlie?
Because they can't admit that their system is flawed. This is a high profile case, largely because the patient is a baby, but people are denied treatment in the UK all the time. Mostly older people who have outlived their usefulness.
Any government controlled system has limits and rationing. The "principle" at stake here is who should receive those limited resources, a patient with very little chance of surviving or someone with better chances. If they let him go it will expose the simple truth that free markets provide better solutions and they can't have that.
Palin accurately if not very articulately hit on this years ago and was roundly scorned for it. She was right of course.
Because they can't admit that their system is flawed. This is a high profile case, largely because the patient is a baby, but people are denied treatment in the UK all the time. Mostly older people who have outlived their usefulness.
Any government controlled system has limits and rationing. The "principle" at stake here is who should receive those limited resources, a patient with very little chance of surviving or someone with better chances. If they let him go it will expose the simple truth that free markets provide better solutions and they can't have that.
Palin accurately if not very articulately hit on this years ago and was roundly scorned for it. She was right of course.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2017 01:55 PM (/tuJf)
127
I don't have the words to express my contempt. I was
born very premature with Cerebral palsy(they were wrong I actually have
a rare movement disorder called SCA) with additional infections. I
barely survived with the care that was state of the art in 196? (i'm 29
now) WOULD i HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO LIVE IF I WAS BORN IN THE UK? SPIT!
Posted by: USNtakim at July 19, 2017 01:45 PM (zZWkn)
I'll do you one better.
My mom was born in 1943 in London, right in the midst of WWII. She was premature and weighed a pound and a half. The doctors thought she was dead, and when she wasn't, they figured she'd almost certainly die quickly. Still, they cared for her.
She didn't die, and just turned 74 in April.
Had she been born today, they'd have cut her open and harvested her organs to be donated before she even had a chance to open her eyes.
born very premature with Cerebral palsy(they were wrong I actually have
a rare movement disorder called SCA) with additional infections. I
barely survived with the care that was state of the art in 196? (i'm 29
now) WOULD i HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO LIVE IF I WAS BORN IN THE UK? SPIT!
Posted by: USNtakim at July 19, 2017 01:45 PM (zZWkn)
I'll do you one better.
My mom was born in 1943 in London, right in the midst of WWII. She was premature and weighed a pound and a half. The doctors thought she was dead, and when she wasn't, they figured she'd almost certainly die quickly. Still, they cared for her.
She didn't die, and just turned 74 in April.
Had she been born today, they'd have cut her open and harvested her organs to be donated before she even had a chance to open her eyes.
Posted by: MWR, Public Intellectual, aka Beth at July 19, 2017 01:55 PM (4df7R)
128
My understanding from my reading is that health care in the UK is perfectly fine and caring and advanced right up to a certain level of care. Beyond that level their mandate is to hustle you out of the system any way they can, even if that means pulling the plug on you.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at July 19, 2017 01:38 PM (RD7QR)
That's any socialized medicine system. It's fine to get a broken bone, cut, etc. But get something that demands advanced equipment or cost money, then it's long waits or denial of care. Unless you are one of the important people, then it's the best available.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at July 19, 2017 01:38 PM (RD7QR)
That's any socialized medicine system. It's fine to get a broken bone, cut, etc. But get something that demands advanced equipment or cost money, then it's long waits or denial of care. Unless you are one of the important people, then it's the best available.
Posted by: Scientologist Lawyers at July 19, 2017 01:55 PM (J70i0)
129
If I were PDT, I'd close all immigration to the US ..Fuck em all
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 19, 2017 01:56 PM (SjImc)
130
125 A modest proposal...have we considered eating the children?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 01:55 PM (3OIiX)
The Podesta Brothers sure have!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 01:55 PM (3OIiX)
The Podesta Brothers sure have!
Posted by: Hikaru at July 19, 2017 01:56 PM (WDCYi)
131
OT: The Supremes have refused the State Dept's request to clarify their order regarding relatives of immigrants. Most of Watson's order stands.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 19, 2017 01:50 PM
Which judge was it that refused to hear the case? It is my understanding that each supreme court judge has supervision over the courts in specific regions, and that one judge chooses which cases the court will review.
I don't think that the other eight judges get involved when one judge refuses the case.
Some experts who know can correct me at their leisure.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 19, 2017 01:50 PM
Which judge was it that refused to hear the case? It is my understanding that each supreme court judge has supervision over the courts in specific regions, and that one judge chooses which cases the court will review.
I don't think that the other eight judges get involved when one judge refuses the case.
Some experts who know can correct me at their leisure.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 01:56 PM (m9X4Y)
132
It's those verdammt babies!
Posted by: Dr. wearing Nazi helmet/The Producers at July 19, 2017 01:56 PM (2egm4)
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Posted by: Daybrother at July 19, 2017 01:54 PM (ruCvL)
Totally agree on the NPs. Had one blithely suggest, hey let's take your synthroid dosage (which was reasonably high but still not getting my numbers in normal range) can cut it in half to see if that shocks your system.
Like a dope I agreed to that.
Won't be making that mistake again.
Totally agree on the NPs. Had one blithely suggest, hey let's take your synthroid dosage (which was reasonably high but still not getting my numbers in normal range) can cut it in half to see if that shocks your system.
Like a dope I agreed to that.
Won't be making that mistake again.
Posted by: DocJ at July 19, 2017 01:57 PM (7bkOX)
134
If Charlie were the child of a Big Shot, rather than of a commoner...
Posted by: davidt at July 19, 2017 01:58 PM (XoldI)
135
Charlie Gard....is he Russian? No. Oh then we don't give a fuck about this story.
Posted by: MSM at July 19, 2017 01:58 PM (zgNJq)
136
100 80 Mensch ain't done yet. This is an add-on to her "Death penalty being considered for Bannon" Tweet, that's why it starts mid-sentence:
Louise Mensch @LouiseMensch
being considered for others. Guiliani begged for a deal and was told to pound sand. He sang completely for "consideration" at sentencing
8:03 AM - 19 Jul 2017
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 19, 2017 01:46 PM (ul9CR)
So now there is a Star Chamber trying these guys or something?
I can't believe the kooks that populate places like The Palmer Report while taking bong hits from Mensch's feed actually believe this crap.
Damn Louise if you're scraping for ad revenue at least make this stuff semi-believable.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 19, 2017 01:50 PM (4Er
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If I was their advertising client? I would be running away as fast as I can. Crazy is not a great economic group to market to.
Louise Mensch @LouiseMensch
being considered for others. Guiliani begged for a deal and was told to pound sand. He sang completely for "consideration" at sentencing
8:03 AM - 19 Jul 2017
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 19, 2017 01:46 PM (ul9CR)
So now there is a Star Chamber trying these guys or something?
I can't believe the kooks that populate places like The Palmer Report while taking bong hits from Mensch's feed actually believe this crap.
Damn Louise if you're scraping for ad revenue at least make this stuff semi-believable.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 19, 2017 01:50 PM (4Er
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If I was their advertising client? I would be running away as fast as I can. Crazy is not a great economic group to market to.
Posted by: rd at July 19, 2017 01:58 PM (4dz1m)
137
I love the doctoring of language in that Daily Mail headline. "Allowed to die." No, Charlie Gard's doctors are still convinced that he should be killed via neglect. Out-Orwelling Orwell, indeed.
Posted by: T at July 19, 2017 01:58 PM (Vgw1E)
138
"My understanding from my reading is that health care in the UK is perfectly fine and caring and advanced right up to a certain level of care."
That "certain level" is not very high, for some patients.
Consider that PSA screening for prostate cancer in middle-aged and older males came in as a regularly recommended thing in the USA back in the 1990s.
It didn't take long before there was a sharp and definite improvement in five-year survival rates for American prostate cancer patients. Early diagnosis matters.
The UK NHS never funded routine PSA screening on the grounds that it hadn't been proven to be cost-effective overall, and they still haven't approved it for regular use.
As a result, the gap in five-year survival between America and Britain has become a chasm.
That "certain level" is not very high, for some patients.
Consider that PSA screening for prostate cancer in middle-aged and older males came in as a regularly recommended thing in the USA back in the 1990s.
It didn't take long before there was a sharp and definite improvement in five-year survival rates for American prostate cancer patients. Early diagnosis matters.
The UK NHS never funded routine PSA screening on the grounds that it hadn't been proven to be cost-effective overall, and they still haven't approved it for regular use.
As a result, the gap in five-year survival between America and Britain has become a chasm.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 19, 2017 01:59 PM (ujwCG)
139
So when does the Republican Congress impeach this HI judge and break up the 9th circuit?
Posted by: Delusional at July 19, 2017 01:59 PM (mcI77)
140
If Charlie were the child of a Big Shot, rather than of a commoner...
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Like the kid of the doctor making the determination ?
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Like the kid of the doctor making the determination ?
Posted by: rickb223 at July 19, 2017 01:59 PM (G0G8s)
141
We are truly fucked when Soylent Green would be an improvement.
Posted by: wooga at July 19, 2017 01:59 PM (3I7wr)
142
Reading my "Complete Lives System" - I see that this particular individual shows no value to the state, and therefore has been deemed not worthy of state resources.
Posted by: reality man at July 19, 2017 02:00 PM (xOBRH)
143
103 OT: The Supremes have refused the State Dept's request to clarify their order regarding relatives of immigrants. Most of Watson's order stands.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 19, 2017 01:50 PM (398bZ)
Kritarchy.... learn it... embrace it.... for when Law impacts everything in society, Judges are the actual Rulers.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 19, 2017 01:50 PM (398bZ)
Kritarchy.... learn it... embrace it.... for when Law impacts everything in society, Judges are the actual Rulers.
Posted by: Don Q. at July 19, 2017 02:01 PM (NgKpN)
144
Just when you think they are being only moderately transparent in their death march, they pull something like that.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 19, 2017 01:43 PM (H8S+R)
Funny that, they've a million + pounds, but they can't hire their own lawyer to represent them and their child! Talk about stacking the deck...
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 19, 2017 01:43 PM (H8S+R)
Funny that, they've a million + pounds, but they can't hire their own lawyer to represent them and their child! Talk about stacking the deck...
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 02:01 PM (gwPgz)
145
128 My understanding from my reading is that health care in the UK is perfectly fine and caring and advanced right up to a certain level of care. Beyond that level their mandate is to hustle you out of the system any way they can, even if that means pulling the plug on you.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at July 19, 2017 01:38 PM (RD7QR)
That's any socialized medicine system. It's fine to get a broken bone, cut, etc. But get something that demands advanced equipment or cost money, then it's long waits or denial of care. Unless you are one of the important people, then it's the best available.
Posted by: Scientologist Lawyers at July 19, 2017 01:55 PM (J70i0)
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And yet nobody in the US advocating for "free" health care understands this. And what's most fucked up is that the very reason for govt run health care pushed by the left is "well if you get cancer, you shouldn't go bankrupt". Well OK, you won't go bankrupt, but you also won't live.
YEAY!!
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at July 19, 2017 01:38 PM (RD7QR)
That's any socialized medicine system. It's fine to get a broken bone, cut, etc. But get something that demands advanced equipment or cost money, then it's long waits or denial of care. Unless you are one of the important people, then it's the best available.
Posted by: Scientologist Lawyers at July 19, 2017 01:55 PM (J70i0)
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And yet nobody in the US advocating for "free" health care understands this. And what's most fucked up is that the very reason for govt run health care pushed by the left is "well if you get cancer, you shouldn't go bankrupt". Well OK, you won't go bankrupt, but you also won't live.
YEAY!!
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 02:01 PM (zgNJq)
146
Hey Donald,
Is that Trump Aircraft just sitting around?
How about sending it to London, and offering it to the Gards?
Show just how bad socialised health care really is.
Posted by: rd at July 19, 2017 01:52 PM
already did that weeks ago. the UK Courts claimed sovereign jurisdiction. They won't let the kid get on the airplane.
The Doctor in charge, the hospital, the government, and the courts have delayed any treatment to the poor kid for so long there isn't much chance that it will make any difference.
Is that Trump Aircraft just sitting around?
How about sending it to London, and offering it to the Gards?
Show just how bad socialised health care really is.
Posted by: rd at July 19, 2017 01:52 PM
already did that weeks ago. the UK Courts claimed sovereign jurisdiction. They won't let the kid get on the airplane.
The Doctor in charge, the hospital, the government, and the courts have delayed any treatment to the poor kid for so long there isn't much chance that it will make any difference.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 02:01 PM (m9X4Y)
147
139 So when does the Republican Congress impeach this HI judge and break up the 9th circuit?
Posted by: Delusional at July 19, 2017 01:59 PM (mcI77)
When he does something that would affect their personal bank accounts, and not a millisecond sooner.
Posted by: Delusional at July 19, 2017 01:59 PM (mcI77)
When he does something that would affect their personal bank accounts, and not a millisecond sooner.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 19, 2017 02:01 PM (WDCYi)
Posted by: geoffb5 at July 19, 2017 02:02 PM (d3wbb)
149
Kritarchy.... learn it... embrace it.... for when Law impacts everything in society, Judges are the actual Rulers.
Posted by: Don Q. at July 19, 2017 02:01 PM (NgKpN)
Maybe we should try being a nation of men
Kritarchy.... learn it... embrace it.... for when Law impacts everything in society, Judges are the actual Rulers.
Posted by: Don Q. at July 19, 2017 02:01 PM (NgKpN)
Maybe we should try being a nation of men
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 19, 2017 02:02 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: The Unknown Commenter at July 19, 2017 02:02 PM (AM1GF)
151
At bottom, the Empire can not surrender its authority.
And by Empire, I mean the weenie crats, who have charge over life and death.
So let's talk about evil Empires, shall we . . .
And by Empire, I mean the weenie crats, who have charge over life and death.
So let's talk about evil Empires, shall we . . .
Posted by: simplemind at July 19, 2017 02:02 PM (zHiLm)
152
146 And yet nobody in the US advocating for "free" health care understands this. And what's most fucked up is that the very reason for govt run health care pushed by the left is "well if you get cancer, you shouldn't go bankrupt". Well OK, you won't go bankrupt, but you also won't live.
YEAY!!
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 02:01 PM (zgNJq)
I wouldn't say nobody. A Lefty acquaintance of mine is perfectly aware of it, and he believes it to be a feature, not a bug. He's a fan of the whole "Justify Your Existence" thing.
YEAY!!
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 02:01 PM (zgNJq)
I wouldn't say nobody. A Lefty acquaintance of mine is perfectly aware of it, and he believes it to be a feature, not a bug. He's a fan of the whole "Justify Your Existence" thing.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 19, 2017 02:03 PM (WDCYi)
153
I don't think this has a good outcome no matter what. The kid has terminal cancer and brain damage.
I think you're wrong. I think the kid still might die, but that doesn't necessarily mean its won't have a good outcome. The parents will have gotten the opportunity to know that they tried everything the can do to save their son. They will not have to live wondering "what if" because their doctor's are more concerned about their NHS budget. That's good even if unfortunately he dies.
I don't think this has a good outcome no matter what. The kid has terminal cancer and brain damage.
I think you're wrong. I think the kid still might die, but that doesn't necessarily mean its won't have a good outcome. The parents will have gotten the opportunity to know that they tried everything the can do to save their son. They will not have to live wondering "what if" because their doctor's are more concerned about their NHS budget. That's good even if unfortunately he dies.
Posted by: buzzion at July 19, 2017 02:03 PM (cAnNx)
154
OT: The Supremes have refused the State Dept's request to clarify their order regarding relatives of immigrants. Most of Watson's order stands.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 19, 2017 01:50 PM (398bZ)
ONLY as it pertains to the expanded list of relatives, NOT to that charity organization shit...and it referred it back to the 9th Circuit to first hear it before making a final determination. Sigh
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 19, 2017 01:50 PM (398bZ)
ONLY as it pertains to the expanded list of relatives, NOT to that charity organization shit...and it referred it back to the 9th Circuit to first hear it before making a final determination. Sigh
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 19, 2017 02:03 PM (SjImc)
155
]i\147 139 So when does the Republican Congress impeach this HI judge and break up the 9th circuit?
Posted by: Delusional at July 19, 2017 01:59 PM (mcI77)
When he does something that would affect their personal bank accounts, and not a millisecond sooner.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 19, 2017 02:01 PM (WDCYi)
My Republican Congress wants a terrorist(s) to kill me then. Good to know.
Posted by: Delusional at July 19, 2017 01:59 PM (mcI77)
When he does something that would affect their personal bank accounts, and not a millisecond sooner.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 19, 2017 02:01 PM (WDCYi)
My Republican Congress wants a terrorist(s) to kill me then. Good to know.
Posted by: Delusional at July 19, 2017 02:04 PM (mcI77)
156
139 So when does the Republican Congress impeach this HI judge and break up the 9th circuit?
Posted by: Delusional at July 19, 2017 01:59 PM (mcI77)
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Right after they pass a clean Obamacare repeal bill.
Posted by: Delusional at July 19, 2017 01:59 PM (mcI77)
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Right after they pass a clean Obamacare repeal bill.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 02:04 PM (zgNJq)
157
Judges are the actual rulers. Didn't work out to well in the Old Testimament.
Posted by: Strobe at July 19, 2017 02:04 PM (gbWkA)
158
And yet nobody in the US advocating for "free" health care understands this. And what's most fucked up is that the very reason for govt run health care pushed by the left is "well if you get cancer, you shouldn't go bankrupt". Well OK, you won't go bankrupt, but you also won't live.
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Lot of mad cow in great Britain.
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Lot of mad cow in great Britain.
Posted by: Denny Crain at July 19, 2017 02:05 PM (wspAS)
159
How about getting a few hundred football hooligans to escort them from the hospital to the airport?
Short of shooting them, what the hell would the authorities do?
Short of shooting them, what the hell would the authorities do?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 19, 2017 02:05 PM (wYseH)
160
The comments on that Daily Mail page are disturbing. So many people have sold their souls for 'free' healthcare.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 19, 2017 02:05 PM (oVJmc)
161
Socialized medicine is no different than every other socialized program. It's inherent virtue is that everyone is equally miserable.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 02:05 PM (bN6TL)
162
152 I wouldn't say nobody. A Lefty acquaintance of mine is perfectly aware of it, and he believes it to be a feature, not a bug. He's a fan of the whole "Justify Your Existence" thing.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 19, 2017 02:03 PM (WDCYi)
He also believes that once somebody gets ill over 45, they should be subject to being left to die for forced organ harvesting.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 19, 2017 02:03 PM (WDCYi)
He also believes that once somebody gets ill over 45, they should be subject to being left to die for forced organ harvesting.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 19, 2017 02:05 PM (WDCYi)
163
I wouldn't say nobody. A Lefty acquaintance of mine is perfectly aware of it, and he believes it to be a feature, not a bug. He's a fan of the whole "Justify Your Existence" thing.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 19, 2017 02:03 PM (WDCYi)
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true there are the insane people out there. I mean more like nobody in the LIV camp who thinks "free" govt run health care will be just like it is now, but free.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 19, 2017 02:03 PM (WDCYi)
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true there are the insane people out there. I mean more like nobody in the LIV camp who thinks "free" govt run health care will be just like it is now, but free.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 02:06 PM (zgNJq)
164
I was stationed in the UK about 35 years ago. When I was pregnant with my oldest spawn, I came down with bronchitis and was admitted overnight to the Air Force hospital at RAF Lakenheath. My roommate was a British lady, a military wife who told me in no uncertain terms that the NHS was ALMOST as good as going to the local witch doctor. Almost. Said that it was no secret that lots of British girls married Rich American GIs for the health insurance. And that was a long time ago. I can only imagine how much worse it is now.
Posted by: antisocialist at July 19, 2017 02:06 PM (W2wn0)
165
"[NPs] are taking over all primary care functions."
NPs, and the imported wave of IMGs, international medical graduates, fresh from dirt-floored "medical schools" in the Third World.
By the way, did anyone here note the names of the doctors in the huge illicit-opioid-prescribing and Medicare/Medicaid-defrauding scheme that was busted up in Michigan recently?
Among those indicted were Dr. Mashiyat Rashid, Dr. Yasser Mozeb, Dr. Abdul Haq, Dr. Tariz Omar, and Dr. Mohammad Zahoor.
Golly, it's almost as though there's some sort of, y'know, _common thread_ amongst these names. But I just can't quite put my finger on it.
NPs, and the imported wave of IMGs, international medical graduates, fresh from dirt-floored "medical schools" in the Third World.
By the way, did anyone here note the names of the doctors in the huge illicit-opioid-prescribing and Medicare/Medicaid-defrauding scheme that was busted up in Michigan recently?
Among those indicted were Dr. Mashiyat Rashid, Dr. Yasser Mozeb, Dr. Abdul Haq, Dr. Tariz Omar, and Dr. Mohammad Zahoor.
Golly, it's almost as though there's some sort of, y'know, _common thread_ amongst these names. But I just can't quite put my finger on it.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 19, 2017 02:06 PM (ujwCG)
166
I think I'm going to start drinking earlier than usual today, everything I read on the internet do far is depressing the hell out of me!
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 02:06 PM (gwPgz)
167
>>Short of shooting them, what the hell would the authorities do?
Getting to the airport is one thing, getting onto to a plane through security without a passport is something else.
Getting to the airport is one thing, getting onto to a plane through security without a passport is something else.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2017 02:06 PM (/tuJf)
168
Golly, it's almost as though there's some sort of, y'know, _common thread_ amongst these names. But I just can't quite put my finger on it.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 19, 2017 02:06 PM (ujwCG)
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I think they are all part of one of those "M" religions. Methodist? Mormon? Mennonite? Something like that.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 19, 2017 02:06 PM (ujwCG)
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I think they are all part of one of those "M" religions. Methodist? Mormon? Mennonite? Something like that.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 02:07 PM (zgNJq)
169
He also believes that once somebody gets ill over 45, they should be subject to being left to die for forced organ harvesting.
He'll probably believe that until he turns 40 or so.
He'll probably believe that until he turns 40 or so.
Posted by: DocJ at July 19, 2017 02:07 PM (7bkOX)
170
T: I love the doctoring of language in that Daily Mail headline. "Allowed to die."
Also, why stop there? Everyone in hospital needing intervention is being "allowed to die" or "allowed not to die". Absurd wordsmithing there to cover up a failed and inadequate health system.
Which is, of course, the point. Charlie is not a patient; he is a political pawn.
Also, why stop there? Everyone in hospital needing intervention is being "allowed to die" or "allowed not to die". Absurd wordsmithing there to cover up a failed and inadequate health system.
Which is, of course, the point. Charlie is not a patient; he is a political pawn.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 19, 2017 02:08 PM (H8S+R)
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65 Posted by: DocJ at July 19, 2017 01:40 PM (7bkOX)
6 years ago a periodontist told me I needed $16,000 worth of surgery not covered by my plan, or all my teeth would start falling out within a year.
I got a second opinion, which consisted of, and I paraphrase: "Is he f'ing kidding?"
6 years later, haven't lost one yet.
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That is a common occurrence. I've known two people, one very recently to whom that happened. Went in to the dentist because he was having headaches - no dental issues whatsoever.
The general dentist said I can't touch you until you see a periodontist and have these major, painful deep cleanings. (Again, no complaints of dental issues, mouth pain, bleeding, etc.)
So, he goes to this periodontist who does this hellacious cleaning up under the gums with a drill-like device. The pain after was so excruciating, he couldn't eat for MONTHS. Then on the follow up visit, she says he needs all these skin grafts on the gums or he's going to lose all his teeth.
I told him that I wouldn't go back and that I thought she was a quack. I think I got through to him.
6 years ago a periodontist told me I needed $16,000 worth of surgery not covered by my plan, or all my teeth would start falling out within a year.
I got a second opinion, which consisted of, and I paraphrase: "Is he f'ing kidding?"
6 years later, haven't lost one yet.
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That is a common occurrence. I've known two people, one very recently to whom that happened. Went in to the dentist because he was having headaches - no dental issues whatsoever.
The general dentist said I can't touch you until you see a periodontist and have these major, painful deep cleanings. (Again, no complaints of dental issues, mouth pain, bleeding, etc.)
So, he goes to this periodontist who does this hellacious cleaning up under the gums with a drill-like device. The pain after was so excruciating, he couldn't eat for MONTHS. Then on the follow up visit, she says he needs all these skin grafts on the gums or he's going to lose all his teeth.
I told him that I wouldn't go back and that I thought she was a quack. I think I got through to him.
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at July 19, 2017 02:08 PM (AwhAM)
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169 He also believes that once somebody gets ill over 45, they should be subject to being left to die for forced organ harvesting.
He'll probably believe that until he turns 40 or so.
Posted by: DocJ at July 19, 2017 02:07 PM (7bkOX)
Big fan of Logan's Run I assume.
He'll probably believe that until he turns 40 or so.
Posted by: DocJ at July 19, 2017 02:07 PM (7bkOX)
Big fan of Logan's Run I assume.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 02:08 PM (bN6TL)
173
Getting to the airport is one thing, getting onto to a plane through security without a passport is something else.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2017 02:06 PM (/tuJf)
General Aviation airport. Or whatever they call it in Britain.
Much less security.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2017 02:06 PM (/tuJf)
General Aviation airport. Or whatever they call it in Britain.
Much less security.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 19, 2017 02:09 PM (wYseH)
174
Dear God. Look at the comments at the Sun. You'll know them when you see them.
https://tinyurl.com/y8ysrybj
If that's the mindset of the average Brit now, they're already doomed.
https://tinyurl.com/y8ysrybj
If that's the mindset of the average Brit now, they're already doomed.
Posted by: doomed (they, not I) at July 19, 2017 02:09 PM (UW4Uc)
175
Imagine the moral quandary of the UK authorities: they're in a position of hoping that efforts to save Charlie here fail and that he dies, so that they can so "I told you so" and not be made to look bad.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 19, 2017 02:09 PM (SRKgf)
176
He also believes that once somebody gets ill over 45, they should be subject to being left to die for forced organ harvesting.
Posted by: Hikaru
Molon Labe.
Posted by: Hikaru
Molon Labe.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 19, 2017 02:09 PM (G0G8s)
177
everything I read on the internet do far is depressing the hell out of me!
Everyday. Until something snaps, and I get angry, and then everything becomes a big effin joke.
Everyday. Until something snaps, and I get angry, and then everything becomes a big effin joke.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 02:09 PM (m9X4Y)
178
This is unkind, but I kind of hope that, if Charlie dies, the doctors say that it was close, if they'd just gotten to treat him sooner he might have made it.
That sentiment is probably no better than leftists wanting to use victims for propaganda. Gray areas, slippery slopes, preening self-righteousness.
That sentiment is probably no better than leftists wanting to use victims for propaganda. Gray areas, slippery slopes, preening self-righteousness.
Posted by: May the Lord grant us wisdomn at July 19, 2017 02:09 PM (2egm4)
179
12 More evidence that the UK is being corrupted by immigrants from the third world mentality that life is cheap.
Posted by: Dang at July 19, 2017 01:32 PM (8b+oT)
More like the collapse of Christian Europe and the rise of the welfare state mentality that puts the State in God's place.
Even the Archbishop of Canterbury is a statist tool.
Posted by: Dang at July 19, 2017 01:32 PM (8b+oT)
More like the collapse of Christian Europe and the rise of the welfare state mentality that puts the State in God's place.
Even the Archbishop of Canterbury is a statist tool.
Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V sez the Brewers are NO.1 in the NL Central for the first half of the season at July 19, 2017 02:10 PM (P8951)
180
I wouldn't say nobody. A Lefty acquaintance of mine is perfectly aware of it, and he believes it to be a feature, not a bug. He's a fan of the whole "Justify Your Existence" thing.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 19, 2017 02:03 PM (WDCYi)
Wow. You actually know Moo Moo or jwest?
Posted by: Hikaru at July 19, 2017 02:03 PM (WDCYi)
Wow. You actually know Moo Moo or jwest?
Posted by: buzzion at July 19, 2017 02:10 PM (cAnNx)
181
>>> think I'm going to start drinking earlier than usual today, everything I read on the internet do far is depressing the hell out of me!
Confucius say flat-chested alcoholic always has AA!
Confucius say flat-chested alcoholic always has AA!
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 19, 2017 02:10 PM (MduLE)
182
a new law in the UK forbids any company from selling anyone a knife through the mail.
surgeons hardest hit...
surgeons hardest hit...
Posted by: Godwin, Darwin & Marx, LLC at July 19, 2017 02:11 PM (ihtYN)
183
>>General Aviation airport. Or whatever they call it in Britain.
Much less security.
True. But then you have to find a pilot who is willing to lose his license over this and a plane able to make a trans-Atlantic crossing.
I don't think there is much of a realistic chance of them getting to the US without the consent of the UK government unfortunately.
Much less security.
True. But then you have to find a pilot who is willing to lose his license over this and a plane able to make a trans-Atlantic crossing.
I don't think there is much of a realistic chance of them getting to the US without the consent of the UK government unfortunately.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2017 02:11 PM (/tuJf)
184
174 Dear God. Look at the comments at the Sun. You'll know them when you see them.
https://tinyurl.com/y8ysrybj
If that's the mindset of the average Brit now, they're already doomed.
Posted by: doomed (they, not I) at July 19, 2017 02:09 PM (UW4Uc)
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Wow. I just read the first 5 or 6. And want to throw up.
https://tinyurl.com/y8ysrybj
If that's the mindset of the average Brit now, they're already doomed.
Posted by: doomed (they, not I) at July 19, 2017 02:09 PM (UW4Uc)
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Wow. I just read the first 5 or 6. And want to throw up.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 02:11 PM (zgNJq)
185
What a difference between subjects and citizens- did not read any comments today or previously at Daily Mail even questioning why this decision is being made by a court and not the parents. Most are in agreement that it is hopeless and the parents should accept what they are told.
Posted by: venus velvet at July 19, 2017 02:11 PM (g94P/)
186
already did that weeks ago. the UK Courts claimed sovereign jurisdiction. They won't let the kid get on the airplane.
The Doctor in charge, the hospital, the government, and the courts have delayed any treatment to the poor kid for so long there isn't much chance that it will make any difference.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 02:01 PM (m9X4Y)
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Probably just as well that antisocialist doesn't live in the UK.
F*ck you, Your Honor. That's my kid, and I'll take him wherever I want to, and if you want to stop me you'll have to shoot me and THEN you're gonna cause a scene and reveal yourselves as something far less than the Gods you believe you are.
The Doctor in charge, the hospital, the government, and the courts have delayed any treatment to the poor kid for so long there isn't much chance that it will make any difference.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 02:01 PM (m9X4Y)
.....
Probably just as well that antisocialist doesn't live in the UK.
F*ck you, Your Honor. That's my kid, and I'll take him wherever I want to, and if you want to stop me you'll have to shoot me and THEN you're gonna cause a scene and reveal yourselves as something far less than the Gods you believe you are.
Posted by: antisocialist at July 19, 2017 02:11 PM (W2wn0)
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I think I'm going to start drinking earlier than usual today, everything I read on the internet do far is depressing the hell out of me!
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 02:06 PM (gwPgz)
*smishes*
Oh great and mighty blog overlords, might we please have a positive thread? Please? With people being told in the thread that if you come into the comments to derail them that everyone else gets to devowel your comments and mock you even more ruthlessly than usual? Please?
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 02:06 PM (gwPgz)
*smishes*
Oh great and mighty blog overlords, might we please have a positive thread? Please? With people being told in the thread that if you come into the comments to derail them that everyone else gets to devowel your comments and mock you even more ruthlessly than usual? Please?
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 02:12 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 19, 2017 02:12 PM (MduLE)
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When he does something that would affect their personal bank accounts, and not a millisecond sooner.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 19, 2017 02:01 PM (WDCYi)
My personal solution for cleaning up the swamp is that every politician is offered a lifetime income, indexed to inflation, based on his current level of salary and graft, BUT only if he resigns after his current term of office is over and never runs for another public office! I'm convinced that it would still be cheaper in the long run!
Posted by: Hikaru at July 19, 2017 02:01 PM (WDCYi)
My personal solution for cleaning up the swamp is that every politician is offered a lifetime income, indexed to inflation, based on his current level of salary and graft, BUT only if he resigns after his current term of office is over and never runs for another public office! I'm convinced that it would still be cheaper in the long run!
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 02:12 PM (gwPgz)
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That's good even if unfortunately he dies.
Posted by: buzzion at July 19, 2017 02:03
Obviously, I defer to your authority on the afterlife.
Posted by: buzzion at July 19, 2017 02:03
Obviously, I defer to your authority on the afterlife.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 19, 2017 02:12 PM (gIRsn)
191
Just going to say it: if this were fricking Emma Watson's baby (like that frigid twit will ever have kids, i know), we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Posted by: MWR, Public Intellectual, aka Beth at July 19, 2017 02:12 PM (4df7R)
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He also believes that once somebody gets ill over 45, they should be subject to being left to die for forced organ harvesting.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 19, 2017 02:05 PM (WDCYi)
Tell the bitch to come and try it.
Seriously, that's some Nazi shit.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 19, 2017 02:05 PM (WDCYi)
Tell the bitch to come and try it.
Seriously, that's some Nazi shit.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 02:12 PM (wB8Tg)
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One of the comments from The Sun:
Fr. James Rosselli 5 days ago
I agree with you, Ann. The hospital should definitely not put up with such insubordinate behavior and should toss the child out immediately--to safety.
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Insubordination! That is the mentality. How dare you question one of you doctor superiors, you plebe!! Un-fucking real.
Fr. James Rosselli 5 days ago
I agree with you, Ann. The hospital should definitely not put up with such insubordinate behavior and should toss the child out immediately--to safety.
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Insubordination! That is the mentality. How dare you question one of you doctor superiors, you plebe!! Un-fucking real.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 02:12 PM (zgNJq)
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Life has always been cheap in Europe.
Posted by: Under Fire at July 19, 2017 02:13 PM (mcI77)
195
I don't think there is much of a realistic chance of
them getting to the US without the consent of the UK government
unfortunately.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2017 02:11 PM (/tuJf)
You are probably correct, but I would love it if they tried.
them getting to the US without the consent of the UK government
unfortunately.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2017 02:11 PM (/tuJf)
You are probably correct, but I would love it if they tried.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 19, 2017 02:13 PM (wYseH)
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Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 02:12 PM (mf5HN)
Thanks AtC, I feel a bit better after that, but I'm still heading for the liquor cabinet!
Thanks AtC, I feel a bit better after that, but I'm still heading for the liquor cabinet!
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 02:13 PM (gwPgz)
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174 Dear God. Look at the comments at the Sun.
Life is pretty cheap - unless it's their life, it seems.
Life is pretty cheap - unless it's their life, it seems.
Posted by: DocJ at July 19, 2017 02:13 PM (7bkOX)
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I don't think there is much of a realistic chance of them getting to the
US without the consent of the UK government unfortunately.
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Illegally cross to Calais, then to Orly or CDG, then to US. My gods, everyone can get in; I'm sure one person can get out.
US without the consent of the UK government unfortunately.
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Illegally cross to Calais, then to Orly or CDG, then to US. My gods, everyone can get in; I'm sure one person can get out.
Posted by: Undocumented at July 19, 2017 02:13 PM (SsblQ)
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I don't think there is much of a realistic chance of them getting to the US without the consent of the UK government unfortunately.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2017 02:11 PM (/tuJf)
I bet if they got to Poland the Polish military would personally escort them to a plane to the US.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2017 02:11 PM (/tuJf)
I bet if they got to Poland the Polish military would personally escort them to a plane to the US.
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 02:14 PM (mf5HN)
200
He also believes that once somebody gets ill over 45, they should be subject to being left to die for forced organ harvesting.
Verrrry interrrestink.
Verrrry interrrestink.
Posted by: Adolf H. at July 19, 2017 02:14 PM (oVJmc)
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Cuthbert says:
The Queen should hold his little baby head in her lap while he breathes his last breath and thinks of England. His last sight will be her face smiling down at her royal subject... pleased by his sense of English rectitude and duty.
Put that on a poster for NHS.
Cheerio!!!
The Queen should hold his little baby head in her lap while he breathes his last breath and thinks of England. His last sight will be her face smiling down at her royal subject... pleased by his sense of English rectitude and duty.
Put that on a poster for NHS.
Cheerio!!!
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at July 19, 2017 02:14 PM (ymnmz)
202
The U.K. Is pissed that the parents were able to raise the funds and services for Charlie's treatment taking away their best argument to support stopping treatment and taking away parental rights.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 02:14 PM (bN6TL)
203
Oh great and mighty blog overlords, might we please
have a positive thread? Please?
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 02:12 PM (mf5HN)
Oh for fvck's sake, just ask. You don't have to beg from your knees!
What?
You're standing up?
Oh.
Sorry.
have a positive thread? Please?
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 02:12 PM (mf5HN)
Oh for fvck's sake, just ask. You don't have to beg from your knees!
What?
You're standing up?
Oh.
Sorry.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 19, 2017 02:15 PM (wYseH)
204
It seems Theressa May is a worthless statist cvnt.
Posted by: Under Fire at July 19, 2017 02:15 PM (mcI77)
205
btw, anyone in the UK can be a 'private patient'-- IF they can afford to pay a doctor.
Many UK physicians have both private and NHS patients. Tues and Thurs for private patients and M-W-F for NHS seems to be the Unspoken Rule
Many UK physicians have both private and NHS patients. Tues and Thurs for private patients and M-W-F for NHS seems to be the Unspoken Rule
Posted by: Godwin, Darwin & Marx, LLC at July 19, 2017 02:15 PM (ihtYN)
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The socialized medicine folks in the US understand it. The goal is to be the ones who decide whom among us is unworthy of life.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at July 19, 2017 02:15 PM (h0xYE)
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204 It seems Theressa May is a worthless statist cvnt.
Posted by: Under Fire at July 19, 2017 02:15 PM (mcI77)
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The Conservative Party stopped being conservative about 50 years ago.
Posted by: Under Fire at July 19, 2017 02:15 PM (mcI77)
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The Conservative Party stopped being conservative about 50 years ago.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 02:16 PM (zgNJq)
208
The UK system needs that child to die. They need this to further establish their right to decide who should be allowed to live.
Posted by: Grimmy at July 19, 2017 02:16 PM (m+qrc)
209
I bet if they got to Poland the Polish military would personally escort them to a plane to the US.
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 02:14 PM (mf5HN)
That's the thing...England is an island, no way to get anywhere without flying, sailing, or swimming. Or driving through the Chunnel, I suppose, but I'm sure the police would be alerted if they even tried.
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 02:14 PM (mf5HN)
That's the thing...England is an island, no way to get anywhere without flying, sailing, or swimming. Or driving through the Chunnel, I suppose, but I'm sure the police would be alerted if they even tried.
Posted by: antisocialist at July 19, 2017 02:16 PM (W2wn0)
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It seems Theressa May is a worthless statist cvnt.
Posted by: Under Fire at July 19, 2017 02:15 PM (mcI77)
---------------------------That may be but May may not be above the law of the court.
Posted by: Under Fire at July 19, 2017 02:15 PM (mcI77)
---------------------------That may be but May may not be above the law of the court.
Posted by: Undocumented at July 19, 2017 02:16 PM (SsblQ)
211
Totally agree on the NPs. Had one blithely suggest, hey let's take your synthroid dosage (which was reasonably high but still not getting my numbers in normal range) can cut it in half to see if that shocks your system.
Like a dope I agreed to that.
Won't be making that mistake again.
Posted by: DocJ
Sorry she tried to kill you. Sorry if I came off sounding pompous but in my defense I'm way over-educated and also a hermit. I have known a buttload of stupid doctors and surgeons and don't get me started on shrinks and you are dead right that the art of medicine is disappearing. The new trend is menu medicine: check off the boxes and move on to the next patient. I'm glad I don't practice anymore.
Like a dope I agreed to that.
Won't be making that mistake again.
Posted by: DocJ
Sorry she tried to kill you. Sorry if I came off sounding pompous but in my defense I'm way over-educated and also a hermit. I have known a buttload of stupid doctors and surgeons and don't get me started on shrinks and you are dead right that the art of medicine is disappearing. The new trend is menu medicine: check off the boxes and move on to the next patient. I'm glad I don't practice anymore.
Posted by: Daybrother at July 19, 2017 02:16 PM (ruCvL)
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192 Tell the bitch to come and try it.
Seriously, that's some Nazi shit.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 02:12 PM (wB8Tg)
From what I've seen, he identifies more as a Communist than a Nazi (because of course he does). Fell in love with Communism because of the propaganda art.
Seriously, that's some Nazi shit.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 02:12 PM (wB8Tg)
From what I've seen, he identifies more as a Communist than a Nazi (because of course he does). Fell in love with Communism because of the propaganda art.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 19, 2017 02:17 PM (WDCYi)
213
It's amazing that the country of Churchill has become this, in 2 generations. Well, amazing and sad.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 02:17 PM (zgNJq)
Posted by: DocJ at July 19, 2017 02:17 PM (7bkOX)
215
191 Just going to say it: if this were fricking Emma Watson's baby (like that frigid twit will ever have kids, i know), we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Posted by: MWR, Public Intellectual, aka Beth at July 19, 2017 02:12 PM (4df7R)
Well for one she wouldn't have put him into the UK NHS system to begin with. Her private doctors probably would have immediately had him flown to the US to get real medical treatment.
Posted by: MWR, Public Intellectual, aka Beth at July 19, 2017 02:12 PM (4df7R)
Well for one she wouldn't have put him into the UK NHS system to begin with. Her private doctors probably would have immediately had him flown to the US to get real medical treatment.
Posted by: buzzion at July 19, 2017 02:18 PM (cAnNx)
216
they should take the kid to Ireland: There are no checks on transit between the UK and Ireland, so Her Majesty's BumBoys won't know that he's gone
Posted by: Godwin, Darwin & Marx, LLC at July 19, 2017 02:18 PM (ihtYN)
217
Hey, I thank God every day or almost every day, that my ancestors had the balls to make the trip across the ocean to America. Mom's side = 1644; Dad's side = 1920.
Posted by: Strobe at July 19, 2017 02:19 PM (gbWkA)
218
Oh for fvck's sake, just ask. You don't have to beg from your knees!
What?
You're standing up?
Oh.
Sorry.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 19, 2017 02:15 PM (wYseH)
SCRIBBLE SCRIBBLE SCRIBBLE
What?
You're standing up?
Oh.
Sorry.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 19, 2017 02:15 PM (wYseH)
SCRIBBLE SCRIBBLE SCRIBBLE
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 02:19 PM (mf5HN)
219
216 they should take the kid to Ireland: There are no checks on transit between the UK and Ireland, so Her Majesty's BumBoys won't know that he's gone
Posted by: Godwin, Darwin & Marx, LLC at July 19, 2017 02:18 PM (ihtYN)
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Last time I flew from London to Dublin, I had to go through passport control in Dublin. This was 10ish years ago, so things may be different. But I doubt it.
Posted by: Godwin, Darwin & Marx, LLC at July 19, 2017 02:18 PM (ihtYN)
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Last time I flew from London to Dublin, I had to go through passport control in Dublin. This was 10ish years ago, so things may be different. But I doubt it.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 02:19 PM (zgNJq)
220
@213
The country that dropped 2 atomic weapons on Japan became, well, us in about the same time frame.
I generally give the UK and Europe a pass, having had 2 horrific wars on their continent in the last century. But it's depressing they don't even start to see how truly and thoroughly boned they are.
The country that dropped 2 atomic weapons on Japan became, well, us in about the same time frame.
I generally give the UK and Europe a pass, having had 2 horrific wars on their continent in the last century. But it's depressing they don't even start to see how truly and thoroughly boned they are.
Posted by: DocJ at July 19, 2017 02:19 PM (7bkOX)
221
Insubordination! That is the mentality. How dare you question one of you doctor superiors, you plebe!! Un-fucking real.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 02:12 PM (zgNJq)
Dude. Sarcasm.
"Toss the child out... to safety" was your hint.
There were some gross comments there, but the one you chose was mocking the other ones.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 02:12 PM (zgNJq)
Dude. Sarcasm.
"Toss the child out... to safety" was your hint.
There were some gross comments there, but the one you chose was mocking the other ones.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 02:19 PM (wB8Tg)
222
This is just the obvious consequence of collectivism and relativistic "morality." When the cultural ontology only admits materialism, life is merely absurd.
Posted by: dagny at July 19, 2017 02:19 PM (wZuWv)
223
They could convert to Islam, than the UK death panels would have to deal with the Sharia Courts, and since Charlie is a boy - he'd be on a plane to the USA by sundoen.
Posted by: 40M dead babies at July 19, 2017 02:19 PM (Mm/WI)
224
The new trend is menu medicine: check off the boxes and move on to the next patient.['i]
Diagnoses and suggested treatment is done by software now, judging from news media headlines.
Those robot order takers aren't just for hamburger stands.
Diagnoses and suggested treatment is done by software now, judging from news media headlines.
Those robot order takers aren't just for hamburger stands.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 02:20 PM (m9X4Y)
225
Are we gonna have to do an Elian Gonzalez in reverse to get that kid out of the England?
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 19, 2017 02:20 PM (ul9CR)
226
From what I've seen, he identifies more as a Communist than a Nazi (because of course he does). Fell in love with Communism because of the propaganda art.
Communism. Come for the propaganda art, stay for the starvation, hypocrisy, corruption, poverty and killing fields.
Communism. Come for the propaganda art, stay for the starvation, hypocrisy, corruption, poverty and killing fields.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 19, 2017 02:20 PM (Mouru)
227
Ann Coulter -- the new Rosa Parks of tall conservatives???
Ann Coulter Denied Paid-For Seat on Plane Because She Is Conservative, Admits Delta Employee in Tweet
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/07/ wow-republican-delta-employee-reveals-ann-coulter-targeted-purpose-seat-fiasco/
As trivial as this case seems at first -- privileged rich celebrity whining because she doesn't get the extra-leg-room seat she paid for -- if it is in fact shown that she was denied a seat because of her political views, then this is as significant as the Rosa Parks case, considered one of the most important Civil Rights cases in US history.
If this corporate behavior goes unchecked, conservatives will be the new Second-Class Citizens.
Ann Coulter Denied Paid-For Seat on Plane Because She Is Conservative, Admits Delta Employee in Tweet
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/07/ wow-republican-delta-employee-reveals-ann-coulter-targeted-purpose-seat-fiasco/
As trivial as this case seems at first -- privileged rich celebrity whining because she doesn't get the extra-leg-room seat she paid for -- if it is in fact shown that she was denied a seat because of her political views, then this is as significant as the Rosa Parks case, considered one of the most important Civil Rights cases in US history.
If this corporate behavior goes unchecked, conservatives will be the new Second-Class Citizens.
Posted by: zombie at July 19, 2017 02:20 PM (DQ4Fv)
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213 It's amazing that the country of Churchill has become this, in 2 generations. Well, amazing and sad.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 02:17 PM (zgNJq)
They kicked Churchill out shortly after the war was over. Not the most grateful bunch.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 02:17 PM (zgNJq)
They kicked Churchill out shortly after the war was over. Not the most grateful bunch.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 02:20 PM (bN6TL)
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The UK system needs that child to die. They need this to further establish their right to decide who should be allowed to live.
They lost that right when they let the muzzies in. Guess who's making those decisions now?
They lost that right when they let the muzzies in. Guess who's making those decisions now?
Posted by: rickb223 at July 19, 2017 02:20 PM (G0G8s)
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Posted by: Daybrother at July 19, 2017 02:16 PM (ruCvL)
I don't think running patients through with a stop watch and doing tests based on your malpractice lawyer's guidance is going to lead to the best of results either!
I don't think running patients through with a stop watch and doing tests based on your malpractice lawyer's guidance is going to lead to the best of results either!
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 02:20 PM (gwPgz)
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From what I've seen, he identifies more as a Communist than a Nazi (because of course he does). Fell in love with Communism because of the propaganda art.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 19, 2017 02:17 PM (WDCYi)
Six of one, Hikaru.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 19, 2017 02:17 PM (WDCYi)
Six of one, Hikaru.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 02:20 PM (wB8Tg)
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>>It's amazing that the country of Churchill has become this, in 2 generations. Well, amazing and sad.
The predictable end of the Frankfurt School theories. This is exactly the road Obama wanted to take us down. It's not a coincidence that the Frankfurt School alumni who immigrated to the US ended up in prominent positions at universities like Columbia and U of Chicago.
The predictable end of the Frankfurt School theories. This is exactly the road Obama wanted to take us down. It's not a coincidence that the Frankfurt School alumni who immigrated to the US ended up in prominent positions at universities like Columbia and U of Chicago.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2017 02:20 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: zombie at July 19, 2017 02:20 PM (DQ4Fv)
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Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 02:19 PM (wB8Tg)
The priest? Yeah, he's trolling the collectivists.
The priest? Yeah, he's trolling the collectivists.
Posted by: dagny at July 19, 2017 02:20 PM (wZuWv)
235
More evidence that the UK is being corrupted by immigrants from the third world mentality that life is cheap.
Posted by: Dang at July 19, 2017 01:32 PM (8b+oT)
How many of those NHS quacks are filthy muzzies?
Posted by: Dang at July 19, 2017 01:32 PM (8b+oT)
How many of those NHS quacks are filthy muzzies?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 19, 2017 02:21 PM (XUcIQ)
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217 Hey, I thank God every day or almost every day, that my ancestors had the balls to make the trip across the ocean to America. Mom's side = 1644; Dad's side = 1920.
I do too.
Dad's side = 1883
Mom's - 1926
I do too.
Dad's side = 1883
Mom's - 1926
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 19, 2017 02:21 PM (ul9CR)
237
Last time I flew from London to Dublin, I had to
go through passport control in Dublin. This was 10ish years ago, so
things may be different. But I doubt it.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 02:19 PM (zgNJq)
NO---not on UK or Irish citizens. Only 'foreign passports' are checked.
Last time I flew from London to Dublin, I had to
go through passport control in Dublin. This was 10ish years ago, so
things may be different. But I doubt it.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 02:19 PM (zgNJq)
NO---not on UK or Irish citizens. Only 'foreign passports' are checked.
Posted by: Godwin, Darwin & Marx, LLC at July 19, 2017 02:21 PM (ihtYN)
238
The new trend is menu medicine: check off the boxes and move on to the next patient
Krauthammer on Tucker last night said that in surveys doctors have admitted that 25% of tests and procedures are medically unnecessary and are simply defense against lawsuits.
Tort reform, baby.
Krauthammer on Tucker last night said that in surveys doctors have admitted that 25% of tests and procedures are medically unnecessary and are simply defense against lawsuits.
Tort reform, baby.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 19, 2017 02:21 PM (gIRsn)
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If y'all are looking for something sweet and uplifting, here. This is probably the coolest thing I've seen in a while.
https://www.littlethings.com/man-gets-pulled-over-for-pregnancy-announcement/
https://www.littlethings.com/man-gets-pulled-over-for-pregnancy-announcement/
Posted by: MWR, Public Intellectual, aka Beth at July 19, 2017 02:21 PM (4df7R)
240
The U.K. medical establishment does not want this to happen for one primary reason: even if it fails and the baby dies, it would open the door for public outcry and demands for alternative treatments that the National Health can't afford or simply doesn't want to pay for. That's the main reason behind the resistance.
That, and the communists' innate love for imposing arbitrary death upon faceless others.
That, and the communists' innate love for imposing arbitrary death upon faceless others.
Posted by: doomed (they, not I) at July 19, 2017 02:22 PM (UW4Uc)
241
I remember another one of those treatment 'disagreements' where the parents were ignored and the child was classed as 'abused' somehow because her syndrome whatever wasn't acknowledged by a hospital. The state took the child over and the whole thing turned into a medical disagreement -- but the important fact was a relatively healthy child was turned into an invalid. NJ maybe?
Posted by: mustbequantum at July 19, 2017 02:22 PM (MIKMs)
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208 The UK system needs that child to die. They need this to further establish their right to decide who should be allowed to live.
I fear this is the correct answer.
I fear this is the correct answer.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 19, 2017 02:22 PM (ul9CR)
243
If this corporate behavior goes unchecked, conservatives will be the new Second-Class Citizens.
Posted by: zombie at July 19, 2017 02:20 PM (DQ4Fv)
First of all, you live in the Bay Area. What's with the hypothetical future tense? The future is now, baby!
Secondly, there's a space in your link.
Posted by: zombie at July 19, 2017 02:20 PM (DQ4Fv)
First of all, you live in the Bay Area. What's with the hypothetical future tense? The future is now, baby!
Secondly, there's a space in your link.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 02:23 PM (wB8Tg)
Posted by: Lois Lerner at July 19, 2017 02:23 PM (gwPgz)
245
If this corporate behavior goes unchecked, conservatives will be the new Second-Class Citizens.
Posted by: zombie at July 19, 2017 02:20 PM (DQ4Fv)
Jeff Sessions Civil Rights Division will investigate this. Perhaps seize Coulter's properties along the way.
If this corporate behavior goes unchecked, conservatives will be the new Second-Class Citizens.
Posted by: zombie at July 19, 2017 02:20 PM (DQ4Fv)
Jeff Sessions Civil Rights Division will investigate this. Perhaps seize Coulter's properties along the way.
Posted by: Under Fire at July 19, 2017 02:23 PM (mcI77)
246
Totally agree on the NPs. Had one blithely suggest, hey let's take your synthroid dosage (which was reasonably high but still not getting my numbers in normal range) can cut it in half to see if that shocks your system.
Like a dope I agreed to that.
Won't be making that mistake again.
Posted by: DocJ
Holy hell. How are you not dead?
Also Bander and I were discussing last night my theory that the problems Europe today, and, by extension the rest of the world, stem from WWI and the destruction of the most hardy of the male stock in the gene pool.
Now, it's clearly not a perfect theory, you know, in the way that all Unified Field Theories aren't perfect. But still. I think there's something to be said for hey killing off nearly an entire generation of young men has longer lasting consequences than we think.
Like a dope I agreed to that.
Won't be making that mistake again.
Posted by: DocJ
Holy hell. How are you not dead?
Also Bander and I were discussing last night my theory that the problems Europe today, and, by extension the rest of the world, stem from WWI and the destruction of the most hardy of the male stock in the gene pool.
Now, it's clearly not a perfect theory, you know, in the way that all Unified Field Theories aren't perfect. But still. I think there's something to be said for hey killing off nearly an entire generation of young men has longer lasting consequences than we think.
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 02:23 PM (mf5HN)
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SCRIBBLE SCRIBBLE SCRIBBLE
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 02:19 PM (mf5HN)
Sorry....I couldn't resist. I am weak.
By the way, this is similar to the CAF in the previous thread. It is government taking that which it is not entitled to. In this case it is the life of a child.
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 02:19 PM (mf5HN)
Sorry....I couldn't resist. I am weak.
By the way, this is similar to the CAF in the previous thread. It is government taking that which it is not entitled to. In this case it is the life of a child.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 19, 2017 02:23 PM (wYseH)
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 19, 2017 02:23 PM (ul9CR)
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"But legal sources said Charlie is the subject of a High Court order and it made no difference what passport he held.
And last Friday, the judge made it clear it would be illegal for Charlie to travel to America without his permission."
So, he's still not going to make it to the US. The UK docs are unswayed.
Posted by: zombie at July 19, 2017 01:34 PM (DQ4Fv)
The family should just spirit him out of the country and get him to the USA. If a few heads have to be busted in the process, so be it. Maybe a few ex-mil guys could assist.
"But legal sources said Charlie is the subject of a High Court order and it made no difference what passport he held.
And last Friday, the judge made it clear it would be illegal for Charlie to travel to America without his permission."
So, he's still not going to make it to the US. The UK docs are unswayed.
Posted by: zombie at July 19, 2017 01:34 PM (DQ4Fv)
The family should just spirit him out of the country and get him to the USA. If a few heads have to be busted in the process, so be it. Maybe a few ex-mil guys could assist.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 19, 2017 02:24 PM (XUcIQ)
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...and no passport-flashing on car / people ferries across the Irish Sea
Posted by: Godwin, Darwin & Marx, LLC at July 19, 2017 02:24 PM (ihtYN)
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232 >>It's amazing that the country of Churchill has become this, in 2 generations. Well, amazing and sad.
The predictable end of the Frankfurt School theories. This is exactly the road Obama wanted to take us down. It's not a coincidence that the Frankfurt School alumni who immigrated to the US ended up in prominent positions at universities like Columbia and U of Chicago.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2017 02:20 PM (/tuJf)
People say it was Saul Alinksy who took us down in the end.
But it was Antonio Gramsci.
The predictable end of the Frankfurt School theories. This is exactly the road Obama wanted to take us down. It's not a coincidence that the Frankfurt School alumni who immigrated to the US ended up in prominent positions at universities like Columbia and U of Chicago.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2017 02:20 PM (/tuJf)
People say it was Saul Alinksy who took us down in the end.
But it was Antonio Gramsci.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 19, 2017 02:24 PM (WDCYi)
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225 Are we gonna have to do an Elian Gonzalez in reverse to get that kid out of the England?
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 19, 2017 02:20 PM (ul9CR)
I asked my gf for a Reverse Gonzalez once.
A for effort, on her part, but really not worth the trouble. (Or the hardware store bill.)
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 19, 2017 02:20 PM (ul9CR)
I asked my gf for a Reverse Gonzalez once.
A for effort, on her part, but really not worth the trouble. (Or the hardware store bill.)
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 19, 2017 02:24 PM (hcyUh)
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Obama had no issue letting the women's 100 year old die to make Obamacare affordable.
Posted by: Rhennigantx at July 19, 2017 02:24 PM (bmkS9)
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Even the Archbishop of Canterbury is a statist tool.
Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V
Yes, that was the point.
Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V
Yes, that was the point.
Posted by: zombie Henry VIII Rex at July 19, 2017 02:24 PM (326rv)
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>>> 174 Dear God. Look at the comments at the Sun. You'll know them when you see them.
Comments at Daily Mail are no better. Callous souls conditioned to support the state NHS propaganda no matter what. God help them should a love one of theirs fall ill and be deemed not "worth" saving.
Comments at Daily Mail are no better. Callous souls conditioned to support the state NHS propaganda no matter what. God help them should a love one of theirs fall ill and be deemed not "worth" saving.
Posted by: LizLem at July 19, 2017 02:24 PM (hvf9s)
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Secondly, there's a space in your link.
Posted by: Merovign
Of course there is. There is ALWAYS a space in my link, on Command From On High, because if I fail to insert one, it blows out the margins, and for some reason TinyUrl usually doesn't work on my obsolete computer, so I generally just post the raw link -- with a space.
Posted by: Merovign
Of course there is. There is ALWAYS a space in my link, on Command From On High, because if I fail to insert one, it blows out the margins, and for some reason TinyUrl usually doesn't work on my obsolete computer, so I generally just post the raw link -- with a space.
Posted by: zombie at July 19, 2017 02:25 PM (DQ4Fv)
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159 How about getting a few hundred football hooligans to escort them from the hospital to the airport?
Short of shooting them, what the hell would the authorities do?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 19, 2017 02:05 PM (wYseH)
Shoot them. I have no doubt whatsoever.
They would shhot them.
Short of shooting them, what the hell would the authorities do?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 19, 2017 02:05 PM (wYseH)
Shoot them. I have no doubt whatsoever.
They would shhot them.
Posted by: rd at July 19, 2017 02:25 PM (4dz1m)
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221 Insubordination! That is the mentality. How dare you question one of you doctor superiors, you plebe!! Un-fucking real.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 02:12 PM (zgNJq)
Dude. Sarcasm.
"Toss the child out... to safety" was your hint.
There were some gross comments there, but the one you chose was mocking the other ones.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 02:19 PM (wB8Tg)
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LOL. Well given the others there, that could easily have been a real one too. It's sad when you can't tell which are the real vs sarcastic ones.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 02:12 PM (zgNJq)
Dude. Sarcasm.
"Toss the child out... to safety" was your hint.
There were some gross comments there, but the one you chose was mocking the other ones.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 02:19 PM (wB8Tg)
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LOL. Well given the others there, that could easily have been a real one too. It's sad when you can't tell which are the real vs sarcastic ones.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 02:25 PM (zgNJq)
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Posted by: DocJ
Holy hell. How are you not dead?
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 02:23 PM (mf5HN)
Probably won't surprise you to hear you're not the first person to ask me that.
Holy hell. How are you not dead?
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 02:23 PM (mf5HN)
Probably won't surprise you to hear you're not the first person to ask me that.
Posted by: DocJ at July 19, 2017 02:25 PM (7bkOX)
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Also Bander and I were discussing last night my
theory that the problems Europe today, and, by extension the rest of the
world, stem from WWI and the destruction of the most hardy of the male
stock in the gene pool.
Now, it's clearly not a perfect theory, you know, in the way that
all Unified Field Theories aren't perfect. But still. I think there's
something to be said for hey killing off nearly an entire generation of
young men has longer lasting consequences than we think.
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 02:23 PM (mf5HN)
I've thought that same thing, too. Not just in Europe either. Look at Japan.
theory that the problems Europe today, and, by extension the rest of the
world, stem from WWI and the destruction of the most hardy of the male
stock in the gene pool.
Now, it's clearly not a perfect theory, you know, in the way that
all Unified Field Theories aren't perfect. But still. I think there's
something to be said for hey killing off nearly an entire generation of
young men has longer lasting consequences than we think.
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 02:23 PM (mf5HN)
I've thought that same thing, too. Not just in Europe either. Look at Japan.
Posted by: MWR, Public Intellectual, aka Beth at July 19, 2017 02:26 PM (4df7R)
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Sorry....I couldn't resist. I am weak.
Oh, I'll give you some cover.
I was texting alex during the last thread and said "I see you're in dudgeon".
Which, usually that phrase has an adjective.
Oh, I'll give you some cover.
I was texting alex during the last thread and said "I see you're in dudgeon".
Which, usually that phrase has an adjective.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 19, 2017 02:26 PM (gIRsn)
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DocJ,
NDT. Find a doc who will give it to you, if you haven't already. I did and it has made a world of difference.
NDT. Find a doc who will give it to you, if you haven't already. I did and it has made a world of difference.
Posted by: doomed (they, not I) at July 19, 2017 02:26 PM (UW4Uc)
Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2017 02:26 PM (/tuJf)
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Those doctors know, as Clint Eastwood said in some role or another, some babies just need to be murdered. Then he made the whole of London paint itself red and killed some bad guys.
My memory is a little fuzzy on the details, except for the murdering doctors.
My memory is a little fuzzy on the details, except for the murdering doctors.
Posted by: Fake at July 19, 2017 02:27 PM (wFDuq)
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THIS comment from a Brit who should be made an honorary 'ron:
Let one of the judges who blocked them, months ago remember, from getting treatment in the United states, switch off the life support machine on live TV. Let us see their faces. Let us see them show that they believe in their principles. They won't of course. They'll hide in their wigs and robes. Law robbed the family of any chance of justice. Shameful.
Let one of the judges who blocked them, months ago remember, from getting treatment in the United states, switch off the life support machine on live TV. Let us see their faces. Let us see them show that they believe in their principles. They won't of course. They'll hide in their wigs and robes. Law robbed the family of any chance of justice. Shameful.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 19, 2017 02:27 PM (ul9CR)
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Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 19, 2017 02:27 PM (wYseH)
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It's sad when you can't tell which are the real vs sarcastic ones.
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You have to be able to recognize the code. Same with politicians; it is how you tell when they are lying. They use code words when they are lying.
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You have to be able to recognize the code. Same with politicians; it is how you tell when they are lying. They use code words when they are lying.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 02:27 PM (m9X4Y)
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Last time I flew from London to Dublin, I had to
go through passport control in Dublin. This was 10ish years ago, so
things may be different. But I doubt it.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 02:19 PM (zgNJq)
NO---not on UK or Irish citizens. Only 'foreign passports' are checked.
Posted by: Godwin, Darwin & Marx, LLC at July 19, 2017 02:21 PM (ihtYN)
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Uhm, don't they have to check everyone's passport to determine which ones are foreign and which ones aren't?
Last time I flew from London to Dublin, I had to
go through passport control in Dublin. This was 10ish years ago, so
things may be different. But I doubt it.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 02:19 PM (zgNJq)
NO---not on UK or Irish citizens. Only 'foreign passports' are checked.
Posted by: Godwin, Darwin & Marx, LLC at July 19, 2017 02:21 PM (ihtYN)
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Uhm, don't they have to check everyone's passport to determine which ones are foreign and which ones aren't?
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 02:28 PM (zgNJq)
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The only "choice" the Satanic Left cares about is the "choice" to kill the innocent. Think about that.
Posted by: Mega at July 19, 2017 02:28 PM (ILZ2M)
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Krauthammer on Tucker last night said that in surveys doctors have admitted that 25% of tests and procedures are medically unnecessary and are simply defense against lawsuits.
Tort reform, baby.
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No shit. They prey on people at their most vulnerable. When you are scared you're going to die, you'll consent to just about anything. People rarely have the option of hearing all the facts and making choices after.
My father was in the hospital last October due to vasculitis. After all these tests, they bring in a nephrologist who says that he's in Stage V kidney disease and needs dialysis.
I've worked in hospice for nearly 20 years and have seen a lot. I told my parents that I don't think he should go on it because once he does, it'll be downhill from there. They refused the treatment which pissed off the wise Latina nephrologist.
Lo and behold, here we are today and he's doing pretty well and his kidney function has vastly improved. I do think the chemotherapy they used to treat the vasculitis fucked him up though.
Tort reform, baby.
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No shit. They prey on people at their most vulnerable. When you are scared you're going to die, you'll consent to just about anything. People rarely have the option of hearing all the facts and making choices after.
My father was in the hospital last October due to vasculitis. After all these tests, they bring in a nephrologist who says that he's in Stage V kidney disease and needs dialysis.
I've worked in hospice for nearly 20 years and have seen a lot. I told my parents that I don't think he should go on it because once he does, it'll be downhill from there. They refused the treatment which pissed off the wise Latina nephrologist.
Lo and behold, here we are today and he's doing pretty well and his kidney function has vastly improved. I do think the chemotherapy they used to treat the vasculitis fucked him up though.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at July 19, 2017 02:28 PM (vg8iE)
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>>>208 The UK system needs that child to die. They need this to further
establish their right to decide who should be allowed to live<<<
Proven by the fact outsiders have offered to foot the entire bill for the child to receive treatment in the US, thus there being absolutely no cost to the UK system or resources.
Except for the blow to their Authority.
establish their right to decide who should be allowed to live<<<
Proven by the fact outsiders have offered to foot the entire bill for the child to receive treatment in the US, thus there being absolutely no cost to the UK system or resources.
Except for the blow to their Authority.
Posted by: davidt at July 19, 2017 02:28 PM (XoldI)
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I think there's something to be said for hey killing off nearly an entire generation of young men has longer lasting consequences than we think.
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 02:23 PM (mf5HN)
I think you are spot on, but it's actually a bit worse, because roughly two successive generations were robbed of their best young men by WW I followed by WW II.
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 02:23 PM (mf5HN)
I think you are spot on, but it's actually a bit worse, because roughly two successive generations were robbed of their best young men by WW I followed by WW II.
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 02:28 PM (gwPgz)
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Hauling this over from twitter because it's funny:
"I'm going to start a business in India and have technical support for it based out of east Tennessee . . . see how those bastards like it."
cite: https://twitter.com/anthymspirit/status/887738147295178761
"I'm going to start a business in India and have technical support for it based out of east Tennessee . . . see how those bastards like it."
cite: https://twitter.com/anthymspirit/status/887738147295178761
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 02:29 PM (mf5HN)
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200 He also believes that once somebody gets ill over 45, they should be subject to being left to die for forced organ harvesting. "
I take it this turd isn't anywhere near 45. I'm positive by the time he's 40 or so the expiration date will change to 50 or 60.
If you still know him when he is 45, remind him of his belief if he is hospitalized. "Well, buddy, why are you having a stent put in? Don't you know people need your kidneys? Pony up, dickhead."
I take it this turd isn't anywhere near 45. I'm positive by the time he's 40 or so the expiration date will change to 50 or 60.
If you still know him when he is 45, remind him of his belief if he is hospitalized. "Well, buddy, why are you having a stent put in? Don't you know people need your kidneys? Pony up, dickhead."
Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V sez the Brewers are NO.1 in the NL Central for the first half of the season at July 19, 2017 02:29 PM (P8951)
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Why do Leftists hate children?
Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2017 02:29 PM (9g/6M)
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You have to be able to recognize the code. Same with
politicians; it is how you tell when they are lying. They use code
words when they are lying.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 02:27 PM (m9X4Y)
--------------------------------------Code words: the, and, uhh, comprehensive, working families
politicians; it is how you tell when they are lying. They use code
words when they are lying.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 02:27 PM (m9X4Y)
--------------------------------------Code words: the, and, uhh, comprehensive, working families
Posted by: Undocumented at July 19, 2017 02:29 PM (SsblQ)
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Krauthammer on Tucker last night said that in surveys doctors have admitted that 25% of tests and procedures are medically unnecessary and are simply defense against lawsuits.
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Only 25%? I would have said more like 70%.
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Only 25%? I would have said more like 70%.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 02:29 PM (zgNJq)
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Also, while on the subject : Was there any difference between the Frankfurt School and the Fabian Socialists, or were they basically the same movement?
Posted by: Hikaru at July 19, 2017 02:30 PM (WDCYi)
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But still. I think there's something to be said for hey killing off nearly an entire generation of young men has longer lasting consequences than we think.
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 02:23 PM (mf5HN)
I think it's part of a very large equation, there are lots of reasons Europe was and is so effed up.
I mean, just in that context, the cultural shift of the fact that WWI confronted entire civilizations with the fact that they had industrialized mass slaughter basically gave them civilizational PTSD. On top of losing so many people. The gene pool is part of it, but only part.
Of course, part of their solution to the first war led to the second, though not in the way some people think (the collective ideas that would supposedly save them were the larger motivation).
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 02:23 PM (mf5HN)
I think it's part of a very large equation, there are lots of reasons Europe was and is so effed up.
I mean, just in that context, the cultural shift of the fact that WWI confronted entire civilizations with the fact that they had industrialized mass slaughter basically gave them civilizational PTSD. On top of losing so many people. The gene pool is part of it, but only part.
Of course, part of their solution to the first war led to the second, though not in the way some people think (the collective ideas that would supposedly save them were the larger motivation).
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 02:30 PM (wB8Tg)
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You have to be able to recognize the code. Same with politicians; it is how you tell when they are lying. They use code words when they are lying.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 02:27 PM (m9X4Y)
FTFY
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 02:27 PM (m9X4Y)
FTFY
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 02:30 PM (gwPgz)
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275 Why do Leftists hate children?
Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2017 02:29 PM (9g/6M)
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Well to be fair they hate all people, young and old alike.
Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2017 02:29 PM (9g/6M)
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Well to be fair they hate all people, young and old alike.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 02:30 PM (zgNJq)
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They kicked Churchill out shortly after the war was over. Not the most grateful bunch.
No. They threw him out before world war 2 had ended.
No. They threw him out before world war 2 had ended.
Posted by: rd at July 19, 2017 02:31 PM (4dz1m)
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Uhm, you should use the internet to check on the access between Ireland and the UK
thanks for playing...
thanks for playing...
Posted by: Godwin, Darwin & Marx, LLC at July 19, 2017 02:31 PM (ihtYN)
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To be a contrarian , I don't think it was the loss of men in WWI and WWII that has hurt Europe. I think they also had the greatest generation like us. And like us they raised a bunch of socialist hippy losers because that's what the war did to a lot of men.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 02:32 PM (bN6TL)
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Why do Leftists hate children?
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Because every child born means fewer of the errfffs resources will be available to our self-appointed superiors, and it means more competition.
Besides, a smaller population is easier to rule over than a large one.
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Because every child born means fewer of the errfffs resources will be available to our self-appointed superiors, and it means more competition.
Besides, a smaller population is easier to rule over than a large one.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 02:32 PM (m9X4Y)
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278 Also, while on the subject : Was there any difference between the Frankfurt School and the Fabian Socialists, or were they basically the same movement?
Posted by: Hikaru
TOTALLY different.
The Fabian socialists started in the 19th century. The basic philosophy was "patience, patience -- socialism will arise naturally if you just wait for humanity to evolve toward it." The Frankfurt school was a post-WWII movement to intentionally degrade the concept of morality so as to accelerate the collapse of Western civilization.
Couldn't get more different when it comes to "socialist philosophy."
Posted by: Hikaru
TOTALLY different.
The Fabian socialists started in the 19th century. The basic philosophy was "patience, patience -- socialism will arise naturally if you just wait for humanity to evolve toward it." The Frankfurt school was a post-WWII movement to intentionally degrade the concept of morality so as to accelerate the collapse of Western civilization.
Couldn't get more different when it comes to "socialist philosophy."
Posted by: zombie at July 19, 2017 02:32 PM (DQ4Fv)
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I think it's part of a very large equation, there are lots of reasons Europe was and is so effed up.
I mean, just in that context, the cultural shift of the fact that WWI confronted entire civilizations with the fact that they had industrialized mass slaughter basically gave them civilizational PTSD. On top of losing so many people. The gene pool is part of it, but only part.
Of course, part of their solution to the first war led to the second, though not in the way some people think (the collective ideas that would supposedly save them were the larger motivation).
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 02:30 PM (wB8Tg)
I think we're still fighting WWI. It's another Hundred Year's War, it just that we can't see it because we're in the middle of it.
I mean, just in that context, the cultural shift of the fact that WWI confronted entire civilizations with the fact that they had industrialized mass slaughter basically gave them civilizational PTSD. On top of losing so many people. The gene pool is part of it, but only part.
Of course, part of their solution to the first war led to the second, though not in the way some people think (the collective ideas that would supposedly save them were the larger motivation).
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 02:30 PM (wB8Tg)
I think we're still fighting WWI. It's another Hundred Year's War, it just that we can't see it because we're in the middle of it.
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 02:33 PM (mf5HN)
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Bandersnatch: "Krauthammer on Tucker last night said that in surveys doctors have admitted that 25% of tests and procedures are medically unnecessary and are simply defense against lawsuits."
Most certainly, though some overdo it for fun and profit.
I've overridden expensive post-cancer procedures ordered by my oncologist. Other family members have done the same. It's tough to be your own advocate but you really must actively pursue this. It's your life, your body. The doctor is a guide and, ultimately, not the final say. Not yet and not here, fortunately.
Most certainly, though some overdo it for fun and profit.
I've overridden expensive post-cancer procedures ordered by my oncologist. Other family members have done the same. It's tough to be your own advocate but you really must actively pursue this. It's your life, your body. The doctor is a guide and, ultimately, not the final say. Not yet and not here, fortunately.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 19, 2017 02:34 PM (H8S+R)
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275 Why do Leftists hate children?
Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2017 02:29 PM (9g/6M)
Because they remind them that life will continue past their own deaths, that they are not The Last Man (or whatever they Gender-Indentify as) of History.
Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2017 02:29 PM (9g/6M)
Because they remind them that life will continue past their own deaths, that they are not The Last Man (or whatever they Gender-Indentify as) of History.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 19, 2017 02:34 PM (WDCYi)
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TinyUrl usually doesn't work on my obsolete computer,
Posted by: zombie at July 19, 2017 02:25 PM (DQ4Fv)
Time for dumpster diving!
Posted by: zombie at July 19, 2017 02:25 PM (DQ4Fv)
Time for dumpster diving!
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 02:34 PM (wB8Tg)
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283 Uhm, you should use the internet to check on the access between Ireland and the UK
thanks for playing...
Posted by: Godwin, Darwin & Marx, LLC at July 19, 2017 02:31 PM (ihtYN)
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You mean like this:
"But even if you are not subject to immigration control (where you could use other methods of identity, like a photo driving license), your airline may insist on you using a passport at check in, and may not carry you without one.
The problem is, even if Irish or British citizens don't need to use a passport for travel between the two countries, other travelers with other citizenship on the same flight technically do need to show a passport, and comply with immigration rules. If the traveler is an EU citizen they have a right of entry to either Ireland or the UK anyway, but have to prove EU citizenship. Other nationals from non-EU countries may need to be in possession of a valid visa. So there may be immigration controls, and it is much easier to show a passport if you have one than to worry that your other chosen form of identity is sufficient."
thanks for playing...
Posted by: Godwin, Darwin & Marx, LLC at July 19, 2017 02:31 PM (ihtYN)
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You mean like this:
"But even if you are not subject to immigration control (where you could use other methods of identity, like a photo driving license), your airline may insist on you using a passport at check in, and may not carry you without one.
The problem is, even if Irish or British citizens don't need to use a passport for travel between the two countries, other travelers with other citizenship on the same flight technically do need to show a passport, and comply with immigration rules. If the traveler is an EU citizen they have a right of entry to either Ireland or the UK anyway, but have to prove EU citizenship. Other nationals from non-EU countries may need to be in possession of a valid visa. So there may be immigration controls, and it is much easier to show a passport if you have one than to worry that your other chosen form of identity is sufficient."
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 02:35 PM (zgNJq)
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I think we're still fighting WWI. It's another Hundred Year's War, it just that we can't see it because we're in the middle of it
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Wait a minute, I just did the math, shouldn't we be at about the end of it?
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Wait a minute, I just did the math, shouldn't we be at about the end of it?
Posted by: simplemind at July 19, 2017 02:35 PM (TOr7B)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 19, 2017 02:36 PM (gIRsn)
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I think we're still fighting WWI. It's another Hundred Year's War, it just that we can't see it because we're in the middle of it
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Wait a minute, I just did the math, shouldn't we be at about the end of it?
#twoweeks
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Wait a minute, I just did the math, shouldn't we be at about the end of it?
#twoweeks
Posted by: rickb223 at July 19, 2017 02:36 PM (G0G8s)
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To be a contrarian , I don't think it was the loss of men in WWI and WWII that has hurt Europe. I think they also had the greatest generation like us. And like us they raised a bunch of socialist hippy losers because that's what the war did to a lot of men.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 02:32 PM (bN6TL)
Fair point.
As I said, it's a Unified Field Theory, so, you know, like 98% bullshit.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 02:32 PM (bN6TL)
Fair point.
As I said, it's a Unified Field Theory, so, you know, like 98% bullshit.
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 02:36 PM (mf5HN)
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Wait a minute, I just did the math, shouldn't we be at about the end of it?
Posted by: simplemind at July 19, 2017 02:35 PM (TOr7B)
Actually, the "Hundred Years War" lasted about 120-years or so. So, no.
Posted by: simplemind at July 19, 2017 02:35 PM (TOr7B)
Actually, the "Hundred Years War" lasted about 120-years or so. So, no.
Posted by: DocJ at July 19, 2017 02:37 PM (7bkOX)
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Posted by: mustbequantum at July 19, 2017 02:22 PM (MIKMs)
Massachusetts I think? MA Childrens Hospital?
Massachusetts I think? MA Childrens Hospital?
Posted by: rd at July 19, 2017 02:37 PM (4dz1m)
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TinyUrl usually doesn't work on my obsolete computer,
Posted by: zombie at July 19, 2017 02:25 PM (DQ4Fv)
Time for dumpster diving!
Posted by: Merovign,
Or trying bitly.
Posted by: zombie at July 19, 2017 02:25 PM (DQ4Fv)
Time for dumpster diving!
Posted by: Merovign,
Or trying bitly.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 19, 2017 02:37 PM (G0G8s)
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>>Also, while on the subject : Was there any difference between the Frankfurt School and the Fabian Socialists, or were they basically the same movement?
Pretty much one and the same. The Fabian Society begat the London School of Economics which was the scene for the famous Hayek vs Keynes debates.
Hayek eventually left the LSE and wrote The Road to Serfdom, largely as a repudiation of that school of thought and a warning to the US not to go down that road. Not enough people listened.
Pretty much one and the same. The Fabian Society begat the London School of Economics which was the scene for the famous Hayek vs Keynes debates.
Hayek eventually left the LSE and wrote The Road to Serfdom, largely as a repudiation of that school of thought and a warning to the US not to go down that road. Not enough people listened.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2017 02:37 PM (/tuJf)
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Seem to recall some movie with Denzel Washington - "John Doe"? - that was all about a man taking things into his own hands to save his child... but that was in the eeeevil US with the eeevil US healthcare system.
Posted by: Sporkatus at July 19, 2017 02:37 PM (eXSOZ)
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294 #twoweeks
Posted by: rickb223 at July 19, 2017 02:36 PM (G0G8s)
I can't see this without thinking Total Recall...
Posted by: rickb223 at July 19, 2017 02:36 PM (G0G8s)
I can't see this without thinking Total Recall...
Posted by: Hikaru at July 19, 2017 02:37 PM (WDCYi)
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No. They threw him out before world war 2 had ended.
Posted by: rd at July 19, 2017 02:31 PM (4dz1m)
----------------------They 'voted him out'. They never 'voted him in' to begin with.Interesting quote on the WikiP page "Winston Churchill", reference 209But he did get a swan song.
Posted by: rd at July 19, 2017 02:31 PM (4dz1m)
----------------------They 'voted him out'. They never 'voted him in' to begin with.Interesting quote on the WikiP page "Winston Churchill", reference 209But he did get a swan song.
Posted by: Undocumented at July 19, 2017 02:38 PM (SsblQ)
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I think we're still fighting WWI. It's another Hundred Year's War, it just that we can't see it because we're in the middle of it
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Wait a minute, I just did the math, shouldn't we be at about the end of it?
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I thought the hundred years of war was between the royals; somebody insulted a cousin or something.
The war we are in now started back in the stone age when urgh made a stone ax, and arg stole it from him because arg needed it more than urgh.
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Wait a minute, I just did the math, shouldn't we be at about the end of it?
++++++++++++++++
I thought the hundred years of war was between the royals; somebody insulted a cousin or something.
The war we are in now started back in the stone age when urgh made a stone ax, and arg stole it from him because arg needed it more than urgh.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 02:38 PM (m9X4Y)
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The parents want to give Charlie a chance at life no matter how slim that chance may be. His treatment won't cost Brit taxpayers a shilling. The Brit judges should just STFU and pull the plug on themselves.
Posted by: I'm Tucker Carlson and I will destroy you at July 19, 2017 02:38 PM (kYoZV)
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Actually, the "Hundred Years War" lasted about 120-years or so.
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Fine. But I'm gonna need a definition on what "or so" is so I can mark my calendar appropriately.
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Fine. But I'm gonna need a definition on what "or so" is so I can mark my calendar appropriately.
Posted by: simplemind at July 19, 2017 02:38 PM (Apu/w)
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We elected the only person who voted for leaving newborn "accidents" in buckets to die of exposure.
Satanic.
This country unfortunately has a lot to answer for. But God has not left us.
Satanic.
This country unfortunately has a lot to answer for. But God has not left us.
Posted by: Mega at July 19, 2017 02:39 PM (ILZ2M)
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Fine. But I'm gonna need a definition on what "or so" is so I can mark my calendar appropriately.
1337 to 1453
1337 to 1453
Posted by: DocJ at July 19, 2017 02:39 PM (7bkOX)
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26 nd last Friday, the judge made it clear it would be illegal for Charlie to travel to America without his permission."
But the rapists of Rotherham were free to travel.
Sounds like the US ambassador needs to pay him a visit with a diplomatic pouch sticker. And a Marine.
But the rapists of Rotherham were free to travel.
Sounds like the US ambassador needs to pay him a visit with a diplomatic pouch sticker. And a Marine.
Posted by: Fox2! at July 19, 2017 02:39 PM (8yZ+3)
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I think we're still fighting WWI. It's another Hundred Year's War, it just that we can't see it because we're in the middle of it.
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 02:33 PM (mf5HN)
I think you can make a valid argument on that.
I think the longer war started with the French Revolution, or maybe Rousseau, or maybe it was Plato. Anyway, that war's definitely not over.
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 02:33 PM (mf5HN)
I think you can make a valid argument on that.
I think the longer war started with the French Revolution, or maybe Rousseau, or maybe it was Plato. Anyway, that war's definitely not over.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 02:40 PM (wB8Tg)
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It's another Hundred Year's War, it just that we can't see it because we're in the middle of it.
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I can't see a damned thing.
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I can't see a damned thing.
Posted by: Woman with Dozens of Contacts in Each Eye at July 19, 2017 02:40 PM (vg8iE)
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To Blog Management:
Is there anyway to add sound to the blog front page headlines, such that when AtC is on the rampage, the blog will play "The Men All Pause"?
I'd just like to know if I need to commence riding-crop-dodgin' before I click on a post.
To Blog Management:
Is there anyway to add sound to the blog front page headlines, such that when AtC is on the rampage, the blog will play "The Men All Pause"?
I'd just like to know if I need to commence riding-crop-dodgin' before I click on a post.
Posted by: Arbalest at July 19, 2017 02:40 PM (FlRtG)
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His treatment won't cost Brit taxpayers a shilling.
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But Brit taxpayers would undoubtedly vote for their government to pay for the treatment. This isn't even about the taxpayers. It never is.
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But Brit taxpayers would undoubtedly vote for their government to pay for the treatment. This isn't even about the taxpayers. It never is.
Posted by: Mega at July 19, 2017 02:41 PM (ILZ2M)
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but that was in the eeeevil US with the eeevil US healthcare system.
Posted by: Sporkatus
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Yeah, the US system run by evil corporations is worse since those evil corporations can restrict your travel visas and passport... oh wait, never mind.
Posted by: Sporkatus
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Yeah, the US system run by evil corporations is worse since those evil corporations can restrict your travel visas and passport... oh wait, never mind.
Posted by: Dang at July 19, 2017 02:41 PM (8b+oT)
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Speaking of Hayek, I've posted about Hayek and his book Road to Serfdom before.
Reagan, a closet intellectual, was a big fan of Hayek. Hayek is mostly ignored by American academics today, because he's contra the current left-leaning academic narrative. His mathematical economic work is at odds with current Keynesiasm (Keynes wouldn't be a Keynesian by today's standards).
Hayek had a simple argument in his Road to Serfdom: in addition to being inherently coercive, central planning is sub-optimal because it's not as good as free market pricing at processing information in order to make informed decisions. Even when bureaucrats are smart and well-intentioned, they don't always have all the information they need. If they do have sufficient information, they get overwhelmed by it. Free market pricing wins every time, with the exception of the occasional grand military-oriented project.
An extension of this idea is that bureaucrats don't like change and won't admit to making mistakes. Compare the private sector: even monopolistic companies that don't change and won't admit to making mistakes will eventually fail.
These basic principles explain why the Soviet Union fell. It was part of Reagan's plan.
If you understood Hayek, you'd have known that ObamaCare was doomed to fail.
The book itself is a bit of a slog because of Hayek's academic style. You can find a Reader's Digest summary version online, which I recommend. This summary version was read by millions back in 1945, when we had far fewer people getting higher education.
Reagan, a closet intellectual, was a big fan of Hayek. Hayek is mostly ignored by American academics today, because he's contra the current left-leaning academic narrative. His mathematical economic work is at odds with current Keynesiasm (Keynes wouldn't be a Keynesian by today's standards).
Hayek had a simple argument in his Road to Serfdom: in addition to being inherently coercive, central planning is sub-optimal because it's not as good as free market pricing at processing information in order to make informed decisions. Even when bureaucrats are smart and well-intentioned, they don't always have all the information they need. If they do have sufficient information, they get overwhelmed by it. Free market pricing wins every time, with the exception of the occasional grand military-oriented project.
An extension of this idea is that bureaucrats don't like change and won't admit to making mistakes. Compare the private sector: even monopolistic companies that don't change and won't admit to making mistakes will eventually fail.
These basic principles explain why the Soviet Union fell. It was part of Reagan's plan.
If you understood Hayek, you'd have known that ObamaCare was doomed to fail.
The book itself is a bit of a slog because of Hayek's academic style. You can find a Reader's Digest summary version online, which I recommend. This summary version was read by millions back in 1945, when we had far fewer people getting higher education.
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 19, 2017 02:41 PM (+7/1f)
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>>> Seem to recall some movie with Denzel Washington - "John Doe"? - that was all about a man taking things into his own hands to save his child... but that was in the eeeevil US with the eeevil US healthcare system.
Posted by: Sporkatus at July 19, 2017 02:37 PM (eXSOZ)
John Q! Denzel's performance elevated what could have been just another lefty "healthcare is eeevil" movie. Someone should update it but make it a Brit dad fighting the NHS. Will work far too well.
Posted by: Sporkatus at July 19, 2017 02:37 PM (eXSOZ)
John Q! Denzel's performance elevated what could have been just another lefty "healthcare is eeevil" movie. Someone should update it but make it a Brit dad fighting the NHS. Will work far too well.
Posted by: LizLem at July 19, 2017 02:41 PM (hvf9s)
Posted by: simplemind at July 19, 2017 02:41 PM (t0FVd)
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>>52 I have a good friend who keeps bees. One stung him about a week ago and within 24-hours he was having problems with vertigo and nausea. Never happened to him before and he's been stung plenty of times in the past. Met over the weekend with a husband and wife - both MDs and both beekeepers. Told them each, separately, his story. One MD said "almost certainly an allergic shock reaction" while the other said "almost certainly NOT an allergic shock reaction".
Taught him something I learned a long time ago - most folks with MDs, despite their arrogant know-it-all attitude, basically don't know shit. My MD - good man, good Christian - admitted as much to me as I noticed him typing away during an office visit on his Professional Version of WebMD. His admission was that most "modern medicine" is basically nothing more than the science of big data sets. They use "best practices" and expect "typical results".
Medicine used to be called "medical arts" and used to be practiced by local folks who made housecalls and were very up-front (for the most part) about their limitations. Now? Seems that Big Medicine has a bit of a god complex, these people are making life-and-death decisions for people using essentially the upgraded version of what you or I could pull from the internet for free.
Apologies to all the MDs on this thread, I mean no offense. Just calling it like I sees it.
^^THIS^^ times 1000!
Taught him something I learned a long time ago - most folks with MDs, despite their arrogant know-it-all attitude, basically don't know shit. My MD - good man, good Christian - admitted as much to me as I noticed him typing away during an office visit on his Professional Version of WebMD. His admission was that most "modern medicine" is basically nothing more than the science of big data sets. They use "best practices" and expect "typical results".
Medicine used to be called "medical arts" and used to be practiced by local folks who made housecalls and were very up-front (for the most part) about their limitations. Now? Seems that Big Medicine has a bit of a god complex, these people are making life-and-death decisions for people using essentially the upgraded version of what you or I could pull from the internet for free.
Apologies to all the MDs on this thread, I mean no offense. Just calling it like I sees it.
^^THIS^^ times 1000!
Posted by: Bonecrusher at July 19, 2017 02:41 PM (JNTt1)
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303
I think we're still fighting WWI. It's another Hundred Year's War, it
just that we can't see it because we're in the middle of it
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Wait a minute, I just did the math, shouldn't we be at about the end of it?
++++++++++++++++
I thought the hundred years of war was between the royals; somebody insulted a cousin or something.
The war we are in now started back in the stone age when urgh made a
stone ax, and arg stole it from him because arg needed it more than
urgh.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 02:38 PM (m9X4Y)
Was that before or after urgh self identified as a transgender, wanted to get hit in the head with an ax and dragged back to urgh's cave for romantic interludes?
I think we're still fighting WWI. It's another Hundred Year's War, it
just that we can't see it because we're in the middle of it
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Wait a minute, I just did the math, shouldn't we be at about the end of it?
++++++++++++++++
I thought the hundred years of war was between the royals; somebody insulted a cousin or something.
The war we are in now started back in the stone age when urgh made a
stone ax, and arg stole it from him because arg needed it more than
urgh.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 02:38 PM (m9X4Y)
Was that before or after urgh self identified as a transgender, wanted to get hit in the head with an ax and dragged back to urgh's cave for romantic interludes?
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 19, 2017 02:41 PM (jxbfJ)
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Hayek ... wrote The Road to Serfdom, ... a warning to the US not to go down that road. Not enough people listened.
Well, to be fair to average people, Hayek is difficult to read, for average people. I've tried; rarely make it through two or three pages.
Well, to be fair to average people, Hayek is difficult to read, for average people. I've tried; rarely make it through two or three pages.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 02:42 PM (m9X4Y)
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arg v. urgh
Montagues v. Capulets
Hatfields v. McCoys
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Montagues v. Capulets
Hatfields v. McCoys
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 19, 2017 02:42 PM (H8S+R)
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 02:42 PM (3UF8d)
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Woman with Dozens of Contacts in Each Eye
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I am amazed someone could load their (her) eyes with that meany contacts. Sure, they're then, but wow.
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I am amazed someone could load their (her) eyes with that meany contacts. Sure, they're then, but wow.
Posted by: Undocumented at July 19, 2017 02:42 PM (SsblQ)
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Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 02:36 PM (mf5HN)
I always hang on to the 2% of my theories like a pit bull. Because I'm flexible like that.
I always hang on to the 2% of my theories like a pit bull. Because I'm flexible like that.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 02:42 PM (bN6TL)
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Or trying bitly.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 19, 2017 02:37 PM (G0G8s)
Well, dumpster diving would be a better story.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 19, 2017 02:37 PM (G0G8s)
Well, dumpster diving would be a better story.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 02:42 PM (wB8Tg)
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I can't see a damned thing.
Posted by: Woman with Dozens of Contacts in Each Eye
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Look over here, idiot.
Posted by: Woman with Dozens of Contacts in Each Eye
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Look over here, idiot.
Posted by: Contact on back of idiot woman's eye at July 19, 2017 02:43 PM (8b+oT)
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I see math. What the hell??
Posted by: dantesed at July 19, 2017 02:43 PM (88xKn)
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>>Well, to be fair to average people, Hayek is difficult to read, for average people. I've tried; rarely make it through two or three pages.
True. It is a slog, reads like a textbook, but it is well worth the effort.
True. It is a slog, reads like a textbook, but it is well worth the effort.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2017 02:43 PM (/tuJf)
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grate, another immigrant coming to take our jobs
Posted by: andrew jarbacka at July 19, 2017 02:44 PM (AU4SY)
Posted by: DocJ at July 19, 2017 02:44 PM (7bkOX)
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Getting to the airport is one thing, getting onto to a plane through security without a passport is something else.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2017 02:06 PM (/tuJf)
Not a private aircraft. Drive right onto tarmac, out car door, up stairs into plane, zoom, zoom.
Now, if I were going to do this, I'd have two planes. TrumpForce One at some prominent airport, and a Cessna Citation at some obscure one. Boost the kid, and have a convoy of cars heading to TFOne, while one car with the kid goes to the Citation.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2017 02:06 PM (/tuJf)
Not a private aircraft. Drive right onto tarmac, out car door, up stairs into plane, zoom, zoom.
Now, if I were going to do this, I'd have two planes. TrumpForce One at some prominent airport, and a Cessna Citation at some obscure one. Boost the kid, and have a convoy of cars heading to TFOne, while one car with the kid goes to the Citation.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 19, 2017 02:44 PM (XUcIQ)
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322 Woman with Dozens of Contacts in Each Eye
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I am amazed someone could load their (her) eyes with that meany contacts. Sure, they're then, but wow.
Posted by: Undocumented at July 19, 2017 02:42 PM (SsblQ)
I'm thinking she thought they were dissolvable contacts instead of disposable contacts.
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I am amazed someone could load their (her) eyes with that meany contacts. Sure, they're then, but wow.
Posted by: Undocumented at July 19, 2017 02:42 PM (SsblQ)
I'm thinking she thought they were dissolvable contacts instead of disposable contacts.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 02:44 PM (bN6TL)
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So I see Sweden is destroying copies of Pippi Longstocking because...you guessed it.... racism!
Fahrenheit 451 has now been added as an operating manual along with 1984..
So I see Sweden is destroying copies of Pippi Longstocking because...you guessed it.... racism!
Fahrenheit 451 has now been added as an operating manual along with 1984..
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 19, 2017 02:44 PM (r+sAi)
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Irish or British citizens don't need to use a passport for travel between the two countries
----I love the internet...
----I love the internet...
Posted by: Godwin, Darwin & Marx, LLC at July 19, 2017 02:44 PM (ihtYN)
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Well, to be fair to average people, Hayek is difficult to read, for average people. I've tried; rarely make it through two or three pages.
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There is a magnificent comic book style RTS that was published in Readers Digest.
Its brilliant.
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There is a magnificent comic book style RTS that was published in Readers Digest.
Its brilliant.
Posted by: simplemind at July 19, 2017 02:44 PM (fvHiC)
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328 grate, another immigrant coming to take our jobs
Posted by: andrew jarbacka at July 19, 2017 02:44 PM (AU4SY)
If a sick infant can do your job, it probably wasn't a very important job to begin with.
Posted by: andrew jarbacka at July 19, 2017 02:44 PM (AU4SY)
If a sick infant can do your job, it probably wasn't a very important job to begin with.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 19, 2017 02:44 PM (WDCYi)
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"Hayek is difficult to read, for average people. I've tried; rarely make it through two or three pages."
Here's the short Reader's Digest version
http://www.barefootsworld.net/serfdom.html
Here's the short Reader's Digest version
http://www.barefootsworld.net/serfdom.html
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 19, 2017 02:45 PM (+7/1f)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 19, 2017 02:45 PM (r+sAi)
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"His admission was that most "modern medicine" is basically nothing more
than the science of big data sets. They use "best practices" and expect
"typical results"."
So do teachers...sorry, "educators." The term 'best practice' is a mantra. Don't ask me how I know.
than the science of big data sets. They use "best practices" and expect
"typical results"."
So do teachers...sorry, "educators." The term 'best practice' is a mantra. Don't ask me how I know.
Posted by: doomed at July 19, 2017 02:46 PM (UW4Uc)
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Charlie Gard's parents forgot to check Yes on page 71, Section 23, Sub-section 12, question 51, requesting to receive the form they need to fill out to request an application they can fill out to be scheduled to appear before the judge within 6 months so they can plead to file a motion to be granted a Death Panel waiver.
Posted by: Marmo, fighting the Derp State at July 19, 2017 02:47 PM (xujbM)
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>>> I see math. What the hell??
Confucius say constipated mathematician need to work it out with pencil.
Confucius say constipated mathematician need to work it out with pencil.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 19, 2017 02:47 PM (MduLE)
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Now, if I were going to do this, I'd have two planes. TrumpForce One at some prominent airport, and a Cessna Citation at some obscure one. Boost the kid, and have a convoy of cars heading to TFOne, while one car with the kid goes to the Citation.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
While a rattle-trap panel van drives Charlie & his parents to a boat sailing to Calais.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
While a rattle-trap panel van drives Charlie & his parents to a boat sailing to Calais.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 19, 2017 02:47 PM (G0G8s)
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So do teachers...sorry, "educators." The term 'best practice' is a mantra. Don't ask me how I know.
Posted by: doomed at July 19, 2017 02:46 PM (UW4Uc)
The use of the word "practice" would seem to be a tell!
Posted by: doomed at July 19, 2017 02:46 PM (UW4Uc)
The use of the word "practice" would seem to be a tell!
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 02:48 PM (gwPgz)
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Fr. James Rosselli 5 days ago
I agree with you, Ann. The hospital should definitely not put up with such insubordinate behavior and should toss the child out immediately--to safety.
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Insubordination! That is the mentality. How dare you question one of you doctor superiors, you plebe!! Un-fucking real.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 02:12 PM (zgNJq)
Get your sarcasm detector looked at, bud.
I agree with you, Ann. The hospital should definitely not put up with such insubordinate behavior and should toss the child out immediately--to safety.
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Insubordination! That is the mentality. How dare you question one of you doctor superiors, you plebe!! Un-fucking real.
Posted by: #neverskankles at July 19, 2017 02:12 PM (zgNJq)
Get your sarcasm detector looked at, bud.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 19, 2017 02:48 PM (XUcIQ)
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What is most troubling is that they refuse to allow ANYONE not even the freaking Pope to offer assistance in contravention of their decision.
Yep; Sure as heck bothers me.
Yep; Sure as heck bothers me.
Posted by: Mary Cloggensteiin's brother Irving at July 19, 2017 02:48 PM (iVOAv)
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I had a minor gig teaching a business course at a private high school. It was pretty hard to reach kids of this generation, even though I have a couple of my own and am familiar with the genre.
The absolute breakthrough was the Keynes v. Hayek rap video.
They loved it, they'd ask for it again and again. I'd write the concepts on the white board as the song was playing and explain them afterwords.
(I did have to explain "hair of the dog" to innocent kidlets who didn't know what a hangover was).
The absolute breakthrough was the Keynes v. Hayek rap video.
They loved it, they'd ask for it again and again. I'd write the concepts on the white board as the song was playing and explain them afterwords.
(I did have to explain "hair of the dog" to innocent kidlets who didn't know what a hangover was).
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 19, 2017 02:48 PM (gIRsn)
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Don't get me started on "evidence-based medicine."
"Basically, a billion small studies say... well, anything could happen!"
"Basically, a billion small studies say... well, anything could happen!"
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 02:48 PM (wB8Tg)
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Last part of that abridged Hayek:
To those who have watched the transition from socialism to fascism at close quarters, the connection between the two systems is obvious. The realization of the socialist program means the destruction of freedom. Democratic socialism, the great utopia of the last few generations, is simply not achievable.
Right on!
To those who have watched the transition from socialism to fascism at close quarters, the connection between the two systems is obvious. The realization of the socialist program means the destruction of freedom. Democratic socialism, the great utopia of the last few generations, is simply not achievable.
Right on!
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 19, 2017 02:48 PM (+7/1f)
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Operation Crossing Garde
Posted by: WOPR (Colonial Marines can't use harsh language) at July 19, 2017 02:48 PM (J70i0)
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Why do I really want to see a photo of the lady who had all the contacts in her eyes? I want to see what stupid looks like, I guess. So I can hopefully avoid anyone who looks like her in the future. Must be some primitive thing going on there.
Posted by: Dang at July 19, 2017 02:48 PM (8b+oT)
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Hayek ... wrote The Road to Serfdom, ... a warning to the US not to go down that road. Not enough people listened.
Well, to be fair to average people, Hayek is difficult to read, for
average people. I've tried; rarely make it through two or three pages.
After the part about Catching a Wave and Sitting on Top of the World, she gets kinda hard to follow. She does show some nice boobs on the book jacket picture though.
Nah, I'm lying. I never read it.
Well, to be fair to average people, Hayek is difficult to read, for
average people. I've tried; rarely make it through two or three pages.
After the part about Catching a Wave and Sitting on Top of the World, she gets kinda hard to follow. She does show some nice boobs on the book jacket picture though.
Nah, I'm lying. I never read it.
Posted by: tu3031 at July 19, 2017 02:49 PM (qJhUV)
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On Wednesday the Office of Special Council ruled the US Postal Service broke the law when they allowed workers to campaign for Hillary Clinton during work hours on the taxpayer dime.
-GP
Yes, it's time to start heavy drinking again.
-GP
Yes, it's time to start heavy drinking again.
Posted by: Under Fire at July 19, 2017 02:49 PM (mcI77)
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340 >>> I see math. What the hell??
Confucius say constipated mathematician need to work it out with pencil.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 19, 2017 02:47 PM (MduLE)
That's a good one. I need people to somehow indicate whether their stuff is original or 'borrowed' so I know how much praise to heap on them.
Confucius say constipated mathematician need to work it out with pencil.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 19, 2017 02:47 PM (MduLE)
That's a good one. I need people to somehow indicate whether their stuff is original or 'borrowed' so I know how much praise to heap on them.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 02:49 PM (bN6TL)
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Update on the Minn shooting by the cop:
On Fox:
The partner is the one talking about hearing a loud noise.
The shooter has refused to talk to investigators. (But everything he did was above board).
Police are looking for someone who supposedly was in the area riding a bicycle prior to the shooting. If true, this would be an independent witness.
One question is, What about the reported assault? Did anyone report being attacked? Did she hear animals fighting perhaps?
On Fox:
The partner is the one talking about hearing a loud noise.
The shooter has refused to talk to investigators. (But everything he did was above board).
Police are looking for someone who supposedly was in the area riding a bicycle prior to the shooting. If true, this would be an independent witness.
One question is, What about the reported assault? Did anyone report being attacked? Did she hear animals fighting perhaps?
Posted by: Blue Hen at July 19, 2017 02:50 PM (326rv)
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Nah, I'm lying. I never read it.
Posted by: tu3031 at July 19, 2017 02:49 PM (qJhUV)
I read Hayek for the pictures.
Posted by: tu3031 at July 19, 2017 02:49 PM (qJhUV)
I read Hayek for the pictures.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 19, 2017 02:50 PM (hcyUh)
Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2017 02:50 PM (/tuJf)
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So I see Sweden is destroying copies of Pippi Longstocking because...you guessed it.... racism!
She makes me feel inadequate
So I see Sweden is destroying copies of Pippi Longstocking because...you guessed it.... racism!
She makes me feel inadequate
Posted by: Pepe Shortstocking at July 19, 2017 02:50 PM (lKyWE)
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About Ann Coulter and Delta: if there really is a secret Delta Employees FB page, how soon can clever computer ppl unearth those messages? Surely it can't be that hard? I bet 4Chan could find them in 5 seconds.
The weirdest thing I read about it was forcing her to move, but it was another seat in the same row. Why??? Just give the girl needing a seat the other empty one in the row, don't uproot a passenger with an already paid for seat. Everything about this weird.
Delta's response calling her out as being terrible was awful United levels of messed up PR. If they really booted Ann just to mess with her for fun, may they all suffer mightily.
The weirdest thing I read about it was forcing her to move, but it was another seat in the same row. Why??? Just give the girl needing a seat the other empty one in the row, don't uproot a passenger with an already paid for seat. Everything about this weird.
Delta's response calling her out as being terrible was awful United levels of messed up PR. If they really booted Ann just to mess with her for fun, may they all suffer mightily.
Posted by: LizLem at July 19, 2017 02:50 PM (hvf9s)
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On Wednesday the Office of Special Council ruled the US Postal Service broke the law when they allowed workers to campaign for Hillary Clinton during work hours on the taxpayer dime.
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Gadzooks - You don't say!!!
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Gadzooks - You don't say!!!
Posted by: simplemind at July 19, 2017 02:51 PM (w2RSU)
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So I see Sweden is destroying copies of Pippi Longstocking because...you guessed it.... racism!
She makes me feel inadequate
Posted by: Pepe Shortstocking at July 19, 2017 02:50 PM (lKyWE)
It's not so easy, being green
She makes me feel inadequate
Posted by: Pepe Shortstocking at July 19, 2017 02:50 PM (lKyWE)
It's not so easy, being green
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 02:51 PM (3OIiX)
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I don't understand why the UK health system is so furiously determined to prevent this kid from even being seen by outside medical experts, let alone treated somewhere else. I just don't get it.
I understand from a purely bean crunching point of view not wanting to spend money on what you think is a lost cause, not wishing to continue to use resources to keep a doomed child alive until he can get treatment, as ghastly as that is. But I don't comprehend refusing to allow them to move the child to another place for treatment which would then cost them nothing.
I can't help but wonder if they are afraid they'll be shown up as incompetent, uncaring, or simply wishing the kid to die and be off the system when he could be saved because its too expensive. I'd like to believe that's not what is happening but what other explanation makes sense?
I understand from a purely bean crunching point of view not wanting to spend money on what you think is a lost cause, not wishing to continue to use resources to keep a doomed child alive until he can get treatment, as ghastly as that is. But I don't comprehend refusing to allow them to move the child to another place for treatment which would then cost them nothing.
I can't help but wonder if they are afraid they'll be shown up as incompetent, uncaring, or simply wishing the kid to die and be off the system when he could be saved because its too expensive. I'd like to believe that's not what is happening but what other explanation makes sense?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 02:51 PM (39g3+)
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BTW, is it SOP for cops to drive down dark alleys with their lights off?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 19, 2017 02:51 PM (gIRsn)
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On Wednesday the Office of Special Council ruled the US Postal Service
broke the law when they allowed workers to campaign for Hillary Clinton
during work hours on the taxpayer dime.
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Now that they know it is a violation, I am sure they will not campaign for Hillary of Everest Cliton again.
broke the law when they allowed workers to campaign for Hillary Clinton
during work hours on the taxpayer dime.
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Now that they know it is a violation, I am sure they will not campaign for Hillary of Everest Cliton again.
Posted by: Undocumented at July 19, 2017 02:51 PM (SsblQ)
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About Ann Coulter and Delta: if there really is a secret Delta Employees FB page, how soon can clever computer ppl unearth those messages? Surely it can't be that hard? I bet 4Chan could find them in 5 seconds.
The weirdest thing I read about it was forcing her to move, but it was another seat in the same row. Why??? Just give the girl needing a seat the other empty one in the row, don't uproot a passenger with an already paid for seat. Everything about this weird.
Delta's response calling her out as being terrible was awful United levels of messed up PR. If they really booted Ann just to mess with her for fun, may they all suffer mightily.
Posted by: LizLem at July 19, 2017 02:50 PM (hvf9s)
Yeah, I hope she keeps fighting. You have to fight every inch, takes more stamina than I have.
The weirdest thing I read about it was forcing her to move, but it was another seat in the same row. Why??? Just give the girl needing a seat the other empty one in the row, don't uproot a passenger with an already paid for seat. Everything about this weird.
Delta's response calling her out as being terrible was awful United levels of messed up PR. If they really booted Ann just to mess with her for fun, may they all suffer mightily.
Posted by: LizLem at July 19, 2017 02:50 PM (hvf9s)
Yeah, I hope she keeps fighting. You have to fight every inch, takes more stamina than I have.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 02:52 PM (3OIiX)
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We are all Charlie Gard.
Posted by: RM at July 19, 2017 02:52 PM (U3LtS)
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 02:52 PM (3UF8d)
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357 About Ann Coulter and Delta: if there really is a secret Delta Employees FB page, how soon can clever computer ppl unearth those messages? Surely it can't be that hard? I bet 4Chan could find them in 5 seconds.
The weirdest thing I read about it was forcing her to move, but it was another seat in the same row. Why??? Just give the girl needing a seat the other empty one in the row, don't uproot a passenger with an already paid for seat. Everything about this weird.
Delta's response calling her out as being terrible was awful United levels of messed up PR. If they really booted Ann just to mess with her for fun, may they all suffer mightily.
Posted by: LizLem at July 19, 2017 02:50 PM (hvf9s)
At gateway pundit I saw some of her tweets. I see now why the articles saying she went on a twitter tirade against Delta never actually showed her tweets. Its about what I expected.
The weirdest thing I read about it was forcing her to move, but it was another seat in the same row. Why??? Just give the girl needing a seat the other empty one in the row, don't uproot a passenger with an already paid for seat. Everything about this weird.
Delta's response calling her out as being terrible was awful United levels of messed up PR. If they really booted Ann just to mess with her for fun, may they all suffer mightily.
Posted by: LizLem at July 19, 2017 02:50 PM (hvf9s)
At gateway pundit I saw some of her tweets. I see now why the articles saying she went on a twitter tirade against Delta never actually showed her tweets. Its about what I expected.
Posted by: buzzion at July 19, 2017 02:52 PM (cAnNx)
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364 We are all Charlie Gard.
Posted by: RM at July 19, 2017 02:52 PM (U3LtS)
That worked out so well for Charlie Hebdo...
Posted by: RM at July 19, 2017 02:52 PM (U3LtS)
That worked out so well for Charlie Hebdo...
Posted by: Hikaru at July 19, 2017 02:53 PM (XMDuf)
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BTW, is it SOP for cops to drive down dark alleys with their lights off?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 19, 2017 02:51 PM (gIRsn)
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It's a trick. If they have their lights ON it is not likely to be a dark alley is it?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 19, 2017 02:51 PM (gIRsn)
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It's a trick. If they have their lights ON it is not likely to be a dark alley is it?
Posted by: Undocumented at July 19, 2017 02:53 PM (SsblQ)
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We are all Charlie Gard.
Posted by: RM at July 19, 2017 02:52 PM (U3LtS)
We all could be the next Charlie Gard!
Posted by: RM at July 19, 2017 02:52 PM (U3LtS)
We all could be the next Charlie Gard!
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 02:53 PM (gwPgz)
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360 I don't understand why the UK health system is so furiously determined to prevent this kid from even being seen by outside medical experts, let alone treated somewhere else. I just don't get it.
They want to set a precedent.
They want to set a precedent.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 19, 2017 02:53 PM (ul9CR)
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Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 02:51 PM (39g3+)
They are afraid other peons might discover they have the power and right to challenge the overlords of Socialized Medicine and not fall in line like the underlings they are suppose to be.
They are afraid other peons might discover they have the power and right to challenge the overlords of Socialized Medicine and not fall in line like the underlings they are suppose to be.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 19, 2017 02:53 PM (SjImc)
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I want to see what stupid looks like, I guess
I have to assume one of the types of senility that affects short term memory. This "fixated idea" kind of thing seems to be kind of common. Woman is so *out of it* that she can't attribute her eye pain to anything she has done, but has this idea "well, it's time to put my contact in", but since she can't remember having done so, she does it over and over and over.
It's the same phenomenon that would relate to seniors overdosing... or in the more rare circumstances, that woman who ate a whole bunch of staples.
I have to assume one of the types of senility that affects short term memory. This "fixated idea" kind of thing seems to be kind of common. Woman is so *out of it* that she can't attribute her eye pain to anything she has done, but has this idea "well, it's time to put my contact in", but since she can't remember having done so, she does it over and over and over.
It's the same phenomenon that would relate to seniors overdosing... or in the more rare circumstances, that woman who ate a whole bunch of staples.
Posted by: Sporkatus at July 19, 2017 02:53 PM (eXSOZ)
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I can't help but wonder if they are afraid they'll be shown up as incompetent, uncaring, or simply wishing the kid to die and be off the system when he could be saved because its too expensive. I'd like to believe that's not what is happening but what other explanation makes sense?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
Welcome to the dark side. We've been waiting.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
Welcome to the dark side. We've been waiting.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 19, 2017 02:53 PM (G0G8s)
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Why do I really want to see a photo of the lady who
had all the contacts in her eyes? I want to see what stupid looks like, I
guess. So I can hopefully avoid anyone who looks like her in the
future. Must be some primitive thing going on there. Posted by: Dang at July 19, 2017 02:48 PM (8b+oT)
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When any of my kidlet idiots got contacts, they had a few hours worth of safety, cleanliness, etc. All at discount places. Even online renewal requires reealuation.
had all the contacts in her eyes? I want to see what stupid looks like, I
guess. So I can hopefully avoid anyone who looks like her in the
future. Must be some primitive thing going on there. Posted by: Dang at July 19, 2017 02:48 PM (8b+oT)
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When any of my kidlet idiots got contacts, they had a few hours worth of safety, cleanliness, etc. All at discount places. Even online renewal requires reealuation.
Posted by: mustbequantum at July 19, 2017 02:54 PM (MIKMs)
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I'd like to believe that's not what is happening but what other explanation makes sense?
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the SYSTEM can not be shown to be flawed.
the ADMINISTRATORS can not be shown to be subject to MERCY or LOGIC.
Those things cost money.
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the SYSTEM can not be shown to be flawed.
the ADMINISTRATORS can not be shown to be subject to MERCY or LOGIC.
Those things cost money.
Posted by: simplemind at July 19, 2017 02:54 PM (JYRXq)
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It's a trick. If they have their lights ON it is not likely to be a dark alley is it?
That there is some reasoning!
That there is some reasoning!
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 19, 2017 02:54 PM (gIRsn)
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>>> (I did have to explain "hair of the dog" to innocent kidlets who didn't know what a hangover was). Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 19, 2017 02:48 PM (gIRsn)
At last, SOMEONE is getting a proper education!
At last, SOMEONE is getting a proper education!
Posted by: LizLem at July 19, 2017 02:54 PM (hvf9s)
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I can't help but wonder if they are afraid they'll be shown up as incompetent, uncaring, or simply wishing the kid to die and be off the system when he could be saved because its too expensive. I'd like to believe that's not what is happening but what other explanation makes sense?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
Welcome to the dark side. We've been waiting.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 19, 2017 02:53 PM (G0G8s)
And we have cookies....but they're Tollhouse.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
Welcome to the dark side. We've been waiting.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 19, 2017 02:53 PM (G0G8s)
And we have cookies....but they're Tollhouse.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 02:54 PM (3OIiX)
Posted by: rickb223 at July 19, 2017 02:55 PM (G0G8s)
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>>I don't understand why the UK health system is so furiously determined to prevent this kid from even being seen by outside medical experts, let alone treated somewhere else. I just don't get it.
Because it isn't really about this child, it goes to the fundamental choice of government control vs free markets.
The treatments being offered to the baby are not available in the UK and certainly not covered by the NHS. If they start letting people become comfortable with the idea that there are better treatments available in systems that aren't top down government bureaucracies, there is a danger that people will start demanding those very things. And that would be a disaster for them.
This case is a camel's nose in the tent. Must not let those pesky camels in the tent.
Because it isn't really about this child, it goes to the fundamental choice of government control vs free markets.
The treatments being offered to the baby are not available in the UK and certainly not covered by the NHS. If they start letting people become comfortable with the idea that there are better treatments available in systems that aren't top down government bureaucracies, there is a danger that people will start demanding those very things. And that would be a disaster for them.
This case is a camel's nose in the tent. Must not let those pesky camels in the tent.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2017 02:55 PM (/tuJf)
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So the Supreme Court has stayed the Hawaii judge's order regarding refugees, but stayed silent on the request to not allow the Hawaii court to expand the list of close relatives to include cousins six removed, etc. Meaning they denied the govt.s request.
Something about waiting for the appeal to the 9th circuit first?
I tried reading this at LI and it is too confusing .
Anyone here know what the ruling actually is?
Something about waiting for the appeal to the 9th circuit first?
I tried reading this at LI and it is too confusing .
Anyone here know what the ruling actually is?
Posted by: Jen the original at July 19, 2017 02:55 PM (zqdyZ)
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I don't understand why the UK health system is so furiously determined to prevent this kid from even being seen by outside medical experts, let alone treated somewhere else. I just don't get it.
Why do school principals argue with parents about bullying, poor teachers and carrying medicine?
Why do government agencies double down on useless policies and spending?
Why do police sometimes shoot innocent people to death and get away with it?
A: For the same reason Obama would pursue policies even if it were proven that they would not work and would be detrimental; he said 'fairness'. In truth, it is arrogance and an unwillingness to cede power. To be seen as being wrong.
This is what Orwell warned against.
Why do school principals argue with parents about bullying, poor teachers and carrying medicine?
Why do government agencies double down on useless policies and spending?
Why do police sometimes shoot innocent people to death and get away with it?
A: For the same reason Obama would pursue policies even if it were proven that they would not work and would be detrimental; he said 'fairness'. In truth, it is arrogance and an unwillingness to cede power. To be seen as being wrong.
This is what Orwell warned against.
Posted by: Blue Hen at July 19, 2017 02:56 PM (326rv)
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We all could be the next Charlie Gard!
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 02:53 PM (gwPgz)
I'm too close for comfort!
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 02:53 PM (gwPgz)
I'm too close for comfort!
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 02:56 PM (wB8Tg)
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Following is a summary of Hayek that speaks to OCare:
Democratic assemblies cannot function as planning agencies. They cannot produce agreement on everything - the whole direction of the resources of the nation. The number of possible courses of action will be legion. Even if a congress could, by proceeding step by step and compromising at each point, agree on some scheme, it would certainly in the end satisfy nobody.
Democratic assemblies cannot function as planning agencies. They cannot produce agreement on everything - the whole direction of the resources of the nation. The number of possible courses of action will be legion. Even if a congress could, by proceeding step by step and compromising at each point, agree on some scheme, it would certainly in the end satisfy nobody.
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 19, 2017 02:56 PM (+7/1f)
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BTW, is it SOP for cops to drive down dark alleys with their lights off?
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Yes. Sometimes, when they are trying to sneak up on somebody.
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Yes. Sometimes, when they are trying to sneak up on somebody.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 02:56 PM (m9X4Y)
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360 I don't understand why the UK health system is so furiously determined to prevent this kid from even being seen by outside medical experts, let alone treated somewhere else. I just don't get it.
I understand from a purely bean crunching point of view not wanting to spend money on what you think is a lost cause, not wishing to continue to use resources to keep a doomed child alive until he can get treatment, as ghastly as that is. But I don't comprehend refusing to allow them to move the child to another place for treatment which would then cost them nothing.
I can't help but wonder if they are afraid they'll be shown up as incompetent, uncaring, or simply wishing the kid to die and be off the system when he could be saved because its too expensive. I'd like to believe that's not what is happening but what other explanation makes sense?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 02:51 PM (39g3+)
Because the procedure might work, and they might have to put in more money on additional care for him. Because even if the procedure doesn't work it might eventually lead to a breakthrough that other people they want to let die can be saved from it and get to live longer.
360 I don't understand why the UK health system is so furiously determined to prevent this kid from even being seen by outside medical experts, let alone treated somewhere else. I just don't get it.
I understand from a purely bean crunching point of view not wanting to spend money on what you think is a lost cause, not wishing to continue to use resources to keep a doomed child alive until he can get treatment, as ghastly as that is. But I don't comprehend refusing to allow them to move the child to another place for treatment which would then cost them nothing.
I can't help but wonder if they are afraid they'll be shown up as incompetent, uncaring, or simply wishing the kid to die and be off the system when he could be saved because its too expensive. I'd like to believe that's not what is happening but what other explanation makes sense?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 02:51 PM (39g3+)
Because the procedure might work, and they might have to put in more money on additional care for him. Because even if the procedure doesn't work it might eventually lead to a breakthrough that other people they want to let die can be saved from it and get to live longer.
Posted by: buzzion at July 19, 2017 02:56 PM (cAnNx)
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342
Point I failed to make is that "best practice" amounts to a weird combination of constantly evolving conventional wisdom, fad-driven initiatives and job-threateneing diktats. Which is not exclusive to education but if one is around the industry long enough, let 10 or so years go by and one sees prior scrapped initiatives resurrected, tweaked and repackaged as something NEW! AND! EXCITING! The bolder old timers always say "We tried this years ago when it was called ______ and we quit because it didn't work" but it don't matter because the district already paid through the nose to buy it.
Point I failed to make is that "best practice" amounts to a weird combination of constantly evolving conventional wisdom, fad-driven initiatives and job-threateneing diktats. Which is not exclusive to education but if one is around the industry long enough, let 10 or so years go by and one sees prior scrapped initiatives resurrected, tweaked and repackaged as something NEW! AND! EXCITING! The bolder old timers always say "We tried this years ago when it was called ______ and we quit because it didn't work" but it don't matter because the district already paid through the nose to buy it.
Posted by: doomed at July 19, 2017 02:57 PM (UW4Uc)
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They are afraid other peons might discover they have the power and right to challenge the overlords of Socialized Medicine and not fall in line like the underlings they are suppose to be.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 19, 2017 02:53 PM (SjImc)
I believe the word that you're looking for is "subjects"!
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 19, 2017 02:53 PM (SjImc)
I believe the word that you're looking for is "subjects"!
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 02:57 PM (gwPgz)
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"Allowed to die" doesn't sound the least bit creepy or Orwellian.
Posted by: holygoat at July 19, 2017 02:58 PM (iawDR)
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I believe the word that you're looking for is "subjects"!
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Right - cause all their Rights are granted to them by the Queen.
See where that gets them.
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Right - cause all their Rights are granted to them by the Queen.
See where that gets them.
Posted by: simplemind at July 19, 2017 02:59 PM (pDpev)
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Welcome home, Johnny Bristol
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 02:59 PM (3OIiX)
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On Wednesday the Office of Special Council ruled the US Postal Service broke the law when they allowed workers to campaign for Hillary Clinton during work hours on the taxpayer dime.
I'll take "things that never would have been acted on if Hillary had won for $1000," Alex.
I'll take "things that never would have been acted on if Hillary had won for $1000," Alex.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 02:59 PM (39g3+)
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I'm too close for comfort!
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 02:56 PM (wB8Tg)
Welcome to the club!
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 02:56 PM (wB8Tg)
Welcome to the club!
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 02:59 PM (gwPgz)
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All you need to know about the History of Great Britain.
After fighting the biggest conflict in human history and coming out on top at the expense of bankrupting the nation, being lead by a man who had in his life had trouble deciding if he was liberal or conservative, but at this point in his life knew the hard decisions to make, held a general election where the majority said "Thanks for saving us from an evil dictator, but now its time for Free Shit, and further plunged the once great nation into a lifetime of servitude to the state.
After fighting the biggest conflict in human history and coming out on top at the expense of bankrupting the nation, being lead by a man who had in his life had trouble deciding if he was liberal or conservative, but at this point in his life knew the hard decisions to make, held a general election where the majority said "Thanks for saving us from an evil dictator, but now its time for Free Shit, and further plunged the once great nation into a lifetime of servitude to the state.
Posted by: Rick in SK at July 19, 2017 02:59 PM (FZYNt)
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It's some kind of irony that this Charlie Gard drama is unfolding just as "Dunkirk" is about to come out in theaters. At Dunkirk, you had soldiers desperate to get back to Britain and rescued from fascists. Now you have Brits desperate to get out of Britain to escape them.
Posted by: MWR, Public Intellectual, aka Beth at July 19, 2017 02:59 PM (4df7R)
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If you haven't been exposed to Gavin McInnes, I urge you to do a Youtube search on him. Very funny, "hard core" right winger. Reminds me of a meaner version of Andrew Breitbart.
Posted by: Max Power at July 19, 2017 03:00 PM (q177U)
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I don't understand why the UK health system is so furiously determined to prevent this kid from even being seen by outside medical experts, let alone treated somewhere else. I just don't get it.
Because when the government health care system tells you it's time for you to die they need you to obey and die.You start allowing citizens to contest your decision and all hell can break lose
I don't understand why the UK health system is so furiously determined to prevent this kid from even being seen by outside medical experts, let alone treated somewhere else. I just don't get it.
Because when the government health care system tells you it's time for you to die they need you to obey and die.You start allowing citizens to contest your decision and all hell can break lose
Posted by: Pepe Shortstocking at July 19, 2017 03:00 PM (lKyWE)
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It's some kind of irony that this Charlie Gard drama is unfolding just as "Dunkirk" is about to come out in theaters. At Dunkirk, you had soldiers desperate to get back to Britain and rescued from fascists. Now you have Brits desperate to get out of Britain to escape them.
Posted by: MWR, Public Intellectual, aka Bet
And Gary Oldham is making a movie about Churchill. Go figure.
Posted by: MWR, Public Intellectual, aka Bet
And Gary Oldham is making a movie about Churchill. Go figure.
Posted by: Blue Hen at July 19, 2017 03:00 PM (326rv)
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"Allowed to die" doesn't sound the least bit creepy or Orwellian.
Posted by: holygoat at July 19, 2017 02:58 PM (iawDR)
That's why we use the term "Allowed to die WITH DIGNITY"!
Posted by: holygoat at July 19, 2017 02:58 PM (iawDR)
That's why we use the term "Allowed to die WITH DIGNITY"!
Posted by: George O'Rwell at July 19, 2017 03:01 PM (gwPgz)
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It's some kind of irony that this Charlie Gard drama is unfolding just as "Dunkirk" is about to come out in theaters. At Dunkirk, you had soldiers desperate to get back to Britain and rescued from fascists. Now you have Brits desperate to get out of Britain to escape them.
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In the end, it was not the Government that saved those soldiers. Spoiler alert it was every man jack in England who had a boat.
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In the end, it was not the Government that saved those soldiers. Spoiler alert it was every man jack in England who had a boat.
Posted by: simplemind at July 19, 2017 03:01 PM (QK/Ar)
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Education...
We tried this years ago when it was called ______ and we quit because it didn't work
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Funding schemes, choice, charters, techniques, methodology, consultants come and go...
but the same students will be there for 12 years or more and they don't change accordingly.
We tried this years ago when it was called ______ and we quit because it didn't work
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Funding schemes, choice, charters, techniques, methodology, consultants come and go...
but the same students will be there for 12 years or more and they don't change accordingly.
Posted by: Undocumented at July 19, 2017 03:02 PM (SsblQ)
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One of the points Megan McArdle used to make during the ACA debates is implementing a system like the NHS in the US might not actually be cheaper, since it's all about the expectations people have.
In the UK it's considered perfectly reasonable for the NHS to tell you "Look, we could operate and take out your dad's tumor, and he'd probably live for a few extra months, but his quality of life wouldn't be very good and we don't have endless resources so we're not going to."
In the UK it's considered perfectly reasonable for the NHS to tell you "Look, we could operate and take out your dad's tumor, and he'd probably live for a few extra months, but his quality of life wouldn't be very good and we don't have endless resources so we're not going to."
Posted by: Ace's liver at July 19, 2017 03:03 PM (Xuv2G)
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US doctors think Charlie should be "permitted to live".
Posted by: Alf767 at July 19, 2017 03:03 PM (a1lZO)
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"Allowed to die" doesn't sound the least bit creepy or Orwellian.
It's in the passive voice not only to sound less active (and disagreeable), but to obscure the actor - and the verb choice is intentionally oblique.
This is quite deliberate, because they wish to conflate "Allowing Charlie to die (heartless jackholes murdering infant by omission)" with "allowing Charlie to die (actor wishes to die, wishes to be allowed)". The elision of all differences allows them to imprint the suggestion on a weak mind that Charlie really wants to and should die - or that the state acting on his behalf has made up his mind for him, justly.
Having stolen a base on whether people may "choose to" die according to their own will, the next step is *axiomatically* to erode certitude of will.
It's in the passive voice not only to sound less active (and disagreeable), but to obscure the actor - and the verb choice is intentionally oblique.
This is quite deliberate, because they wish to conflate "Allowing Charlie to die (heartless jackholes murdering infant by omission)" with "allowing Charlie to die (actor wishes to die, wishes to be allowed)". The elision of all differences allows them to imprint the suggestion on a weak mind that Charlie really wants to and should die - or that the state acting on his behalf has made up his mind for him, justly.
Having stolen a base on whether people may "choose to" die according to their own will, the next step is *axiomatically* to erode certitude of will.
Posted by: Sporkatus at July 19, 2017 03:03 PM (eXSOZ)
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Jen, no, can't help you on the mechanics of the latest judicial lawlessness on the EO, but an efficient way to view it is: judicial coup status ..... intact.
President was completely - and obviously - entirely within his authority to pause/limit/etc. admissions to the US, based on national interest, in a discretionary manner.
Courts simply usurped that power - and they're really doing donuts in the front yard of the Rule of Law, and the constitution, by not just denying a president the ability to exercise his lawful authority, but jumping in to legislate new aspects of the relevant law (there are no actual or implied exceptions of any kind anywhere in the pertinent statutes).
President was completely - and obviously - entirely within his authority to pause/limit/etc. admissions to the US, based on national interest, in a discretionary manner.
Courts simply usurped that power - and they're really doing donuts in the front yard of the Rule of Law, and the constitution, by not just denying a president the ability to exercise his lawful authority, but jumping in to legislate new aspects of the relevant law (there are no actual or implied exceptions of any kind anywhere in the pertinent statutes).
Posted by: rhomboid at July 19, 2017 03:03 PM (QDnY+)
406
time for a new thread me thinks alll that can be said about Charlie has been said. its a shame
Posted by: Biig Al Fredo at July 19, 2017 03:03 PM (iWo0u)
407
In other news, the EU wants to ban crispy french fries!
See how big government is inherently evil?
See how big government is inherently evil?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 19, 2017 03:03 PM (gIRsn)
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>>> Because even if the procedure doesn't work it might eventually lead to a breakthrough that other people they want to let die can be saved from it and get to live longer.
Posted by: buzzion at July 19, 2017 02:56 PM (cAnNx)
One comment on a news site talked about how the child is supposedly deaf and blind, what kind of life is that to let him live.
Yeah, I'm so glad Helen Keller's parents just left her to die, and did no work to help make her life livable. What a terrible precedence that would have set had they bothered.
Posted by: buzzion at July 19, 2017 02:56 PM (cAnNx)
One comment on a news site talked about how the child is supposedly deaf and blind, what kind of life is that to let him live.
Yeah, I'm so glad Helen Keller's parents just left her to die, and did no work to help make her life livable. What a terrible precedence that would have set had they bothered.
Posted by: LizLem at July 19, 2017 03:04 PM (hvf9s)
409
I don't understand why the UK health system is so furiously determined "
Read up on how the NHS was founded, and the controls placed in politician's hands.
Read up on how the NHS was founded, and the controls placed in politician's hands.
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 03:04 PM (3UF8d)
410
Thanks for saving us from an evil dictator, but now its time for Free Shit,
Wasn't his replacement Attlee, and Churchill called him a modest man with much to be modest about? They LITERALLY ELECTED LEWIS' MAN WITHOUT A CHEST.
Wasn't his replacement Attlee, and Churchill called him a modest man with much to be modest about? They LITERALLY ELECTED LEWIS' MAN WITHOUT A CHEST.
Posted by: Sporkatus at July 19, 2017 03:05 PM (eXSOZ)
411
In the end, it was not the Government that saved those soldiers. Spoiler alert it was every man jack in England who had a boat.
Posted by: simplemind at July 19, 2017 03:01 PM (QK/Ar)
Oh come on now, an operation like that could never have been spontaneously conducted by mere Britons acting independently. Who wrote the safe boating regulations, who issued the boating registrations, who certified the small boat crews....
Posted by: simplemind at July 19, 2017 03:01 PM (QK/Ar)
Oh come on now, an operation like that could never have been spontaneously conducted by mere Britons acting independently. Who wrote the safe boating regulations, who issued the boating registrations, who certified the small boat crews....
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 03:05 PM (gwPgz)
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One comment on a news site talked about how the child is supposedly deaf and blind, what kind of life is that to let him live.
Plenty of options. Competitve pinball for one.
Plenty of options. Competitve pinball for one.
Posted by: Sporkatus at July 19, 2017 03:06 PM (eXSOZ)
413
I second the idea of a "positive" thread.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 19, 2017 03:06 PM (zpYxD)
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One comment on a news site talked about how the child is supposedly deaf and blind, what kind of life is that to let him live.
Posted by: LizLem at July 19, 2017 03:04 PM (hvf9s)
As the Buddhists say, "life is suffering". I'm not convinced someone who's deaf and blind necessarily suffers more than the rest of us.
Posted by: LizLem at July 19, 2017 03:04 PM (hvf9s)
As the Buddhists say, "life is suffering". I'm not convinced someone who's deaf and blind necessarily suffers more than the rest of us.
Posted by: Ace's liver at July 19, 2017 03:06 PM (Xuv2G)
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Plenty of options. Competitve pinball for one.
Posted by: Sporkatus at July 19, 2017 03:06 PM (eXSOZ)
+1
Posted by: Sporkatus at July 19, 2017 03:06 PM (eXSOZ)
+1
Posted by: LizLem at July 19, 2017 03:06 PM (hvf9s)
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In the end, it was not the Government that saved
those soldiers. Spoiler alert it was every man jack in England who had
a boat.
Posted by: simplemind at July 19, 2017 03:01 PM (QK/Ar)
Hopefully the same will hold true here.
those soldiers. Spoiler alert it was every man jack in England who had
a boat.
Posted by: simplemind at July 19, 2017 03:01 PM (QK/Ar)
Hopefully the same will hold true here.
Posted by: MWR, Public Intellectual, aka Beth at July 19, 2017 03:06 PM (4df7R)
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The UK would be better off if the Beveridge Report pertained to pints at the pub.
Posted by: Undocumented at July 19, 2017 03:06 PM (SsblQ)
418
Oh come on now, an operation like that could never have been spontaneously conducted by mere Britons acting independently. Who wrote the safe boating regulations, who issued the boating registrations, who certified the small boat crews....
Posted by: Hrothgar
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Posted by: Juan Williams
would have made me wet myself. Still *golf clap*
Posted by: Hrothgar
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Posted by: Juan Williams
would have made me wet myself. Still *golf clap*
Posted by: simplemind at July 19, 2017 03:07 PM (jRj5/)
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414 One comment on a news site talked about how the child is supposedly deaf and blind, what kind of life is that to let him live.
Posted by: LizLem at July 19, 2017 03:04 PM (hvf9s)
As the Buddhists say, "life is suffering". I'm not convinced someone who's deaf and blind necessarily suffers more than the rest of us.
Posted by: Ace's liver at July 19, 2017 03:06 PM (Xuv2G)
He will never have to hear or see the women on The View.
Posted by: LizLem at July 19, 2017 03:04 PM (hvf9s)
As the Buddhists say, "life is suffering". I'm not convinced someone who's deaf and blind necessarily suffers more than the rest of us.
Posted by: Ace's liver at July 19, 2017 03:06 PM (Xuv2G)
He will never have to hear or see the women on The View.
Posted by: buzzion at July 19, 2017 03:07 PM (cAnNx)
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yes lets have the next thread be about music , beer and boobies!!! PLEASE???
Posted by: Biig Al Fredo at July 19, 2017 03:08 PM (iWo0u)
421
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 19, 2017 03:03 PM (gIRsn)
Didn't the the EU also outlaw electric toasters?
Didn't the the EU also outlaw electric toasters?
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 03:08 PM (gwPgz)
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>>One comment on a news site talked about how the child is supposedly deaf and blind, what kind of life is that to let him live.
You never know, he might become a Pinball Wizard. It's happened before in the UK.
You never know, he might become a Pinball Wizard. It's happened before in the UK.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2017 03:08 PM (/tuJf)
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Oh come on now, an operation like that could never have been spontaneously conducted by mere Britons acting independently. Who wrote the safe boating regulations, who issued the boating registrations, who certified the small boat crews....
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 03:05 PM (gwPgz)
You didn't sail that.
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 03:05 PM (gwPgz)
You didn't sail that.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In. at July 19, 2017 03:08 PM (CPk08)
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On Wednesday the Office of Special Council ruled the US Postal Service broke the law when they allowed workers to campaign for Hillary Clinton during work hours on the taxpayer dime.
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WOO-HOO!! Raises and promotions all around!
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WOO-HOO!! Raises and promotions all around!
Posted by: US Postal Workers at July 19, 2017 03:08 PM (vg8iE)
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Nood!
Posted by: MWR, Public Intellectual, aka Beth at July 19, 2017 03:09 PM (4df7R)
426
You didn't sail that.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In. at July 19, 2017 03:08 PM (CPk0
My dog is looking at me like I'm crazy I'm laughing so hard!
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In. at July 19, 2017 03:08 PM (CPk0
My dog is looking at me like I'm crazy I'm laughing so hard!
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 03:10 PM (gwPgz)
427
Nood time traveling post from yesterday.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 19, 2017 03:11 PM (G0G8s)
428
Nood!
Posted by: MWR, Public Intellectual, aka Beth at July 19, 2017 03:09 PM (4df7R)
Not here, guess it's pixy time again!
Posted by: MWR, Public Intellectual, aka Beth at July 19, 2017 03:09 PM (4df7R)
Not here, guess it's pixy time again!
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 03:11 PM (gwPgz)
429
AULD!
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at July 19, 2017 03:11 PM (PNcou)
430
Well, that new post folded back in on itself--just like a Time Lord.
Posted by: RoyalOil at July 19, 2017 03:11 PM (W1XyZ)
431
Trump needs to give a national address on socialized medicine-OCare-with little Charlie as a tragic but very real example of a tyrannical state.
How many Charlie Gards out there that we never hear about?
How many Charlie Gards out there that we never hear about?
Posted by: Cheri at July 19, 2017 03:11 PM (oiNtH)
432
Still a few bugs in the time machine.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 19, 2017 03:11 PM (OdK9v)
433
I just saw the Matrix. Somebody hold me.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2017 03:11 PM (/tuJf)
434
Nood!
Posted by: MWR, Public Intellectual, aka Beth at July 19, 2017 03:09 PM (4df7R)
Not here there isn't.
Posted by: MWR, Public Intellectual, aka Beth at July 19, 2017 03:09 PM (4df7R)
Not here there isn't.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 03:11 PM (wB8Tg)
435
Nood!
Posted by: MWR, Public Intellectual, aka Beth at July 19, 2017 03:09 PM (4df7R)
--------------------------I posted something about deja vu and POOF!
Nood!
Posted by: MWR, Public Intellectual, aka Beth at July 19, 2017 03:09 PM (4df7R)
--------------------------I posted something about deja vu and POOF!
Posted by: Undocumented at July 19, 2017 03:11 PM (SsblQ)
436
Oh good lord, I think I just time traveled.
Posted by: simplemind at July 19, 2017 03:11 PM (fXYrU)
437
what the...?
Posted by: weew at July 19, 2017 03:12 PM (EaEMG)
438
Deja nood
Posted by: Mega at July 19, 2017 03:12 PM (ILZ2M)
439
Nood post allowed to die?
Posted by: davidt at July 19, 2017 03:12 PM (XoldI)
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 03:12 PM (m9X4Y)
441
Ok, that was fun
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 03:12 PM (3UF8d)
442
You didn't see what you just saw. Got It?
nice blog you got here, be a shameif anything happened to it
nice blog you got here, be a shameif anything happened to it
Posted by: submissive mail order russian hacker at July 19, 2017 03:12 PM (PNcou)
Posted by: Roland THTG at July 19, 2017 03:12 PM (QM5S2)
444
The Time Machine Giveth and the Time Machine taketh away.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 19, 2017 03:12 PM (r5KeJ)
445
It's some kind of irony that this Charlie Gard drama is unfolding just as "Dunkirk" is about to come out in theaters. At Dunkirk, you had soldiers desperate to get back to Britain and rescued from fascists. Now you have Brits desperate to get out of Britain to escape them.
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In the end, it was not the Government that saved those soldiers. Spoiler alert it was every man jack in England who had a boat.
Posted by: simplemind at July 19, 2017 03:01 PM (QK/Ar)
That's the romantic ideal, certainly from Mrs. Miniver. But the Small Boats are over-hyped. Lots of the ones used were seized from their owners and most of the evacuation was performed by the RN.
Honorable mention for the Miracle at Dunkirk goes to the Hitler and Von's Kluge and Rundstedt. If Guderian had his way, been much less romance.
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In the end, it was not the Government that saved those soldiers. Spoiler alert it was every man jack in England who had a boat.
Posted by: simplemind at July 19, 2017 03:01 PM (QK/Ar)
That's the romantic ideal, certainly from Mrs. Miniver. But the Small Boats are over-hyped. Lots of the ones used were seized from their owners and most of the evacuation was performed by the RN.
Honorable mention for the Miracle at Dunkirk goes to the Hitler and Von's Kluge and Rundstedt. If Guderian had his way, been much less romance.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 03:12 PM (3OIiX)
446
And we're back to our regularly scheduled programming.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 19, 2017 03:12 PM (G0G8s)
447
Something has altered the timeline.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 03:12 PM (m9X4Y)
Pray I don't alter it more
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 03:12 PM (m9X4Y)
Pray I don't alter it more
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 19, 2017 03:12 PM (SjImc)
448
There's some hamster in overalls frantically running around in the server pushing buttons and pulling levers as steam and sparks shower all over the poor little guy.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 03:13 PM (wB8Tg)
449
Where do the comments go when there is a hole in the fabric of time/space?
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 03:13 PM (m9X4Y)
450
I think it's even worse than WWI. Every guy with an ounce of courage or a lick of sense emmigrated out of Europe, THEN an entire generation was killed in WWI plus a crapton more with the Spanish Flu. The children who had been conceived before WWI were then killed in WWII. The whole shithole went full socialist out of fear not learning a thing from WWII statist tyrannies.
These are their children and grandchildren and great grandchildren. Genetically, they're as picked-through as the survivors of the plagues where only those with a natural resistance to it ended up surviving to breed. Except in this instance it wasn't the hale, hearty, and brave to survived, it was the opposite.
These are their children and grandchildren and great grandchildren. Genetically, they're as picked-through as the survivors of the plagues where only those with a natural resistance to it ended up surviving to breed. Except in this instance it wasn't the hale, hearty, and brave to survived, it was the opposite.
Posted by: dagny at July 19, 2017 03:13 PM (wZuWv)
451
We shall never speak of this again...
Posted by: tu3031 at July 19, 2017 03:13 PM (qJhUV)
452
I heed to take my pills.
Posted by: Dr Spank at July 19, 2017 03:13 PM (TJCSB)
453
For a while there I was posting from the sixth dimension!
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 19, 2017 03:13 PM (MduLE)
454
Posted by: MWR, Public Intellectual, aka Beth at July 19, 2017 03:09 PM (4df7R)
I have waited so long to hear you say that.
Posted by: MWR, Public Intellectual, aka Beth at July 19, 2017 03:09 PM (4df7R)
I have waited so long to hear you say that.
Posted by: Mega at July 19, 2017 03:13 PM (ILZ2M)
455
Dr. Who made a statement?
Posted by: Ever at July 19, 2017 03:13 PM (QZdJj)
Posted by: Dr. Emmett Brown at July 19, 2017 03:13 PM (OdK9v)
457
This is not a good day to Groundhog Day
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at July 19, 2017 03:13 PM (PNcou)
458
I know, we can take Charlie then trade him for five ISIS jihadis!
Posted by: Barky O at July 19, 2017 03:14 PM (Uf5ob)
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Honorable mention for the Miracle at Dunkirk goes to the Hitler and Von's Kluge and Rundstedt.
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And the French who manned the lines.
Honorable mention for the Miracle at Dunkirk goes to the Hitler and Von's Kluge and Rundstedt.
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And the French who manned the lines.
Posted by: RioBravo at July 19, 2017 03:14 PM (SsblQ)
460
The post was rolled up like a scroll.
Posted by: Caliban at July 19, 2017 03:14 PM (QE8X6)
461
Some of you, I won't say who, have violated the "Don't post on old threads" rule.
Report to Room 101.
Report to Room 101.
Posted by: Roland THTG at July 19, 2017 03:14 PM (QM5S2)
462
This time traveling has given me a major headache.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 19, 2017 03:14 PM (PY9jH)
463
414 One comment on a news site talked about how the child is supposedly deaf and blind, what kind of life is that to let him live.
Posted by: LizLem at July 19, 2017 03:04 PM (hvf9s)
As the Buddhists say, "life is suffering". I'm not convinced someone who's deaf and blind necessarily suffers more than the rest of us.
Posted by: Ace's liver at July 19, 2017 03:06 PM (Xuv2G)
To be fair, but on the odds, baby Gard is probably not only deaf and blind, but incapable of developing a coherent conscious stream due to both impaired neural development
and active neurodegeneration. The reality is that even if (and it is a big if) therapy works, this will still be a neurologically devastated child. THAT said, I think the parents should be given a shot. It isn't known to be futile, and it isn't abusive. I'd be surprised if it works, but really, who cares: the fact is that it is being offered by a reputable physician, and it is not known to be futile.
Posted by: LizLem at July 19, 2017 03:04 PM (hvf9s)
As the Buddhists say, "life is suffering". I'm not convinced someone who's deaf and blind necessarily suffers more than the rest of us.
Posted by: Ace's liver at July 19, 2017 03:06 PM (Xuv2G)
To be fair, but on the odds, baby Gard is probably not only deaf and blind, but incapable of developing a coherent conscious stream due to both impaired neural development
and active neurodegeneration. The reality is that even if (and it is a big if) therapy works, this will still be a neurologically devastated child. THAT said, I think the parents should be given a shot. It isn't known to be futile, and it isn't abusive. I'd be surprised if it works, but really, who cares: the fact is that it is being offered by a reputable physician, and it is not known to be futile.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In. at July 19, 2017 03:15 PM (CPk08)
464
So that's what happens when i push that button.
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at July 19, 2017 03:15 PM (PNcou)
465
There's some hamster in overalls frantically running around in the server pushing buttons and pulling levers as steam and sparks shower all over the poor little guy.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith
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Is there a klaxon sounding?
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith
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Is there a klaxon sounding?
Posted by: Dr. Emmett Brown at July 19, 2017 03:15 PM (OdK9v)
466
For a while there I was posting from the sixth dimension!
♪ This Is The Dawning Of The Age Of Aquarius
♪ This Is The Dawning Of The Age Of Aquarius
Posted by: rickb223 at July 19, 2017 03:15 PM (G0G8s)
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Rhomboid , thanks for the comment. I need to stop trying to understand why the SC would allow a judge on an island to dictate the immigration policy given in statute and in the constitution , it boggles my mind too much.
Posted by: Jen the original at July 19, 2017 03:15 PM (zqdyZ)
468
Is this one of those timey-wimey things?
Posted by: blaster at July 19, 2017 03:16 PM (lALnC)
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"I do wonder why there weren't more African-Americans in the English Army." - The American Left
Posted by: Dr Spank at July 19, 2017 03:16 PM (TJCSB)
470
Klaxon, Klaxoff.
Posted by: davidt at July 19, 2017 03:16 PM (XoldI)
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So that's what happens when i push that button.
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at July 19, 2017 03:15 PM (PNcou)
You have to say that using Maxine Waters' voice.
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at July 19, 2017 03:15 PM (PNcou)
You have to say that using Maxine Waters' voice.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 19, 2017 03:16 PM (XUcIQ)
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Well, that was interesting. *checks to make sure all limbs made it back*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 19, 2017 03:16 PM (PY9jH)
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So, on deaf and blind?
Is the whole Hellen Keller story bullshit?
I don't really know much about her, but I once read a typewritten letter from her to FDR praising him for all of his good socialism.
How can someone learn complex language patterns from having someone else draw letters on their hand? Furthermore, how could they know it was letters that go along with a sound?
Is the whole Hellen Keller story bullshit?
I don't really know much about her, but I once read a typewritten letter from her to FDR praising him for all of his good socialism.
How can someone learn complex language patterns from having someone else draw letters on their hand? Furthermore, how could they know it was letters that go along with a sound?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 19, 2017 03:17 PM (gIRsn)
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Some of you, I won't say who, have violated the "Don't post on old threads" rule.
That is why I made a quick post here, to make sure I could still post, and so my posting here would invalidate my posting over there because there is a time lag between posting and bannings.
That is why I made a quick post here, to make sure I could still post, and so my posting here would invalidate my posting over there because there is a time lag between posting and bannings.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 03:17 PM (m9X4Y)
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Is this a Star Trek episode where they go back in time for whatever reason ?
Posted by: dantesed at July 19, 2017 03:18 PM (88xKn)
476
Who here, if they actually *could* go back in time, would take a sh*t ton of birth control with them and give it out like candy to certain.....commies and other trash?
Like, for instance, Barry's mom.
Like, for instance, Barry's mom.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 19, 2017 03:18 PM (PY9jH)
Posted by: tu3031 at July 19, 2017 03:18 PM (qJhUV)
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Is there a klaxon sounding?
Posted by: Dr. Emmett Brown at July 19, 2017 03:15 PM (OdK9v)
Well, yeah, but there's *always* a klaxon sounding. How else do you keep the hamsters awake 24/7?
Posted by: Dr. Emmett Brown at July 19, 2017 03:15 PM (OdK9v)
Well, yeah, but there's *always* a klaxon sounding. How else do you keep the hamsters awake 24/7?
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 03:18 PM (wB8Tg)
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Socialized medicine: First they tell you how to live, then they tell you when to die.
Posted by: Trouser Trout in a Barrel at July 19, 2017 03:19 PM (Gvprl)
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Well, yeah, but there's *always* a klaxon sounding. How else do you keep the hamsters awake 24/7?
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Prodigious quantities of cocaine.
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Prodigious quantities of cocaine.
Posted by: pixy at July 19, 2017 03:19 PM (Qpmvd)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 03:19 PM (wB8Tg)
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450, Spot on - entropy is a bitch, the malaise of post war along with a ferociously socialist government could only be partly arrested with Thatcher. It only takes a generation to lose everything.
Posted by: Rammajamma at July 19, 2017 03:19 PM (AjNMO)
483
Some of you, I won't say who, have violated the "Don't post on old threads" rule.
That is why I made a quick post here, to make sure I could still post, and so my posting here would invalidate my posting over there because there is a time lag between posting and bannings.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse
Old thread isn't the previous thread. Hell, some threads continue a hundred comments into a new thread.
That is why I made a quick post here, to make sure I could still post, and so my posting here would invalidate my posting over there because there is a time lag between posting and bannings.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse
Old thread isn't the previous thread. Hell, some threads continue a hundred comments into a new thread.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 19, 2017 03:19 PM (G0G8s)
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There is a nood that is different from the other nood that disappeared because it was an old nood. This nood is a new nood.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 19, 2017 03:20 PM (m9X4Y)
485
The reality is that even if (and it is a big if) therapy works, this will still be a neurologically devastated child. THAT said, I think the parents should be given a shot. It isn't known to be futile, and it isn't abusive. I'd be surprised if it works, but really, who cares: the fact is that it is being offered by a reputable physician, and it is not known to be futile.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In. at July 19, 2017 03:15 PM (CPk0
Although I often disagree with Charles Krauthammer , his opinion on this, based on his background as a psychiatrist and as a paraplegic whose own experiences with being intubated for weeks is not something he would wish on anyone really puts this entire episode in perspective.
He personally doesn't believe the that the child will live once he is taken off life support and doesn't believe there is any miracle treatment for the child and he said he was disgusted by doctors who are attempting to make a name for themselves with offering such treatments. But he said that it should be up to the parents, who have the best , least bias interest in the child, not the state, which has no interest in him, and has no relationship with him either.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In. at July 19, 2017 03:15 PM (CPk0
Although I often disagree with Charles Krauthammer , his opinion on this, based on his background as a psychiatrist and as a paraplegic whose own experiences with being intubated for weeks is not something he would wish on anyone really puts this entire episode in perspective.
He personally doesn't believe the that the child will live once he is taken off life support and doesn't believe there is any miracle treatment for the child and he said he was disgusted by doctors who are attempting to make a name for themselves with offering such treatments. But he said that it should be up to the parents, who have the best , least bias interest in the child, not the state, which has no interest in him, and has no relationship with him either.
Posted by: Jen the original at July 19, 2017 03:20 PM (zqdyZ)
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Nood.
Or is it????
Posted by: tu3031 at July 19, 2017 03:18 PM (qJhUV)
Is it Nood, or is it Memorex?
Well, it was actually both this time.
Or is it????
Posted by: tu3031 at July 19, 2017 03:18 PM (qJhUV)
Is it Nood, or is it Memorex?
Well, it was actually both this time.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 19, 2017 03:20 PM (G0G8s)
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Gods of the copybook headings will return with
rules and regulations and triplicate forms.
rules and regulations and triplicate forms.
Posted by: simplemind at July 19, 2017 03:21 PM (pDpev)
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DT: Hey Queen, howzitgoin? Good. Now I understand there's a problem with little Charlie that we need to solve pronto. Do you remember that little kerflufflle called WWII where thousands of American boys gave their lives to save you Brits from Adolph taking over your country? Good I knew you would. Now the way I see it you Brits owe us one and I'm cashing in our chips for little Charlie. I'm sending my private plane over with Melania to pick up little Charlie and his parents. And you are going to have your personal security team go over to the hospital and escort them to the airport, okay? And oh by the way, also on board my plane will be a team of Navy SEALS just to make sure there are no problems with any of the NIH witch doctors that think Charlie should be permitted to die, kapich? Good, I knew you'd see things my way once I reminded you of the whole Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness thing we hold dear to our hearts on this sid of the pond. Bigly. Great talking to you Queen. Tell little Charlie I can't wait to see him when he arrives in the good old US of A and I'll have a team of the very finest doctors on the ramp to give little Charlie a chance at life, however small it may be. Bye now and say hi to the King for me, okay? Gotta go...
Posted by: Alf767 at July 19, 2017 03:22 PM (a1lZO)
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. In truth, it is arrogance and an unwillingness to cede power. To be seen as being wrong.
That certainly has to play a major part. Doctors tend toward this anyway, and doctors given the power over life and death by the state in an already feudalistic society? Yeah.
That certainly has to play a major part. Doctors tend toward this anyway, and doctors given the power over life and death by the state in an already feudalistic society? Yeah.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 03:25 PM (39g3+)
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He personally doesn't believe the that the child will live once he is taken off life support and doesn't believe there is any miracle treatment for the child and he said he was disgusted by doctors who are attempting to make a name for themselves with offering such treatments.
I'm inclined to agree with him. On the other hand, if the parents have the money and are willing to pay then its none of the state's business to say no.
I'm inclined to agree with him. On the other hand, if the parents have the money and are willing to pay then its none of the state's business to say no.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 03:30 PM (39g3+)
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Jen, yeah the brain damage (possibly prolonged by doctors not allowing alternate care) is worrisome. But it should be the parents that decide, like Krauthammer said.
There were parents in Utah that refused chemo for their kid, despite all medical and public outcries that he should do it. The state tried taking the kid away from the parents do they give him chemo but was eventually denied. If I remember correctly the kid survived just fine without chemo. Even if they think the parents are crazy, it's their kid. They should have final say on their care.
There were parents in Utah that refused chemo for their kid, despite all medical and public outcries that he should do it. The state tried taking the kid away from the parents do they give him chemo but was eventually denied. If I remember correctly the kid survived just fine without chemo. Even if they think the parents are crazy, it's their kid. They should have final say on their care.
Posted by: LizLem at July 19, 2017 03:32 PM (nQ+bw)
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Funny... I remember this same exact issue playing out a few years back in California. Brain-dead girl after a bizarre complication during routine tonsil surgery. Parents refused to accept that she was brain-dead.
This site ran a story about it.
Only difference was she was a black girl from a black family with a ethnic name. Oh yeah, and the comments made fun of the "stupid" family and their brain dead child.
This site ran a story about it.
Only difference was she was a black girl from a black family with a ethnic name. Oh yeah, and the comments made fun of the "stupid" family and their brain dead child.
Posted by: GBurras at July 19, 2017 03:43 PM (c/oOm)
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Re: Why Europe is, and always will be, a mess.
Imo, it wasn't the mass die off of any particular war.
It is because of the European mindset. Europeans are simply not capable of accepting a non Totalitarian government system. European mindset demands someone tell the individual what to think because the individual European does not want to think for himself. Ever. On any issue.
All the European governance philosophies since the "end" of feudalism have been all about flailing around in an attempt to invent a new form of feudalism. The only real differences between any of the philosophies of governance is about who is established as the new aristocrat class.
Imo, it wasn't the mass die off of any particular war.
It is because of the European mindset. Europeans are simply not capable of accepting a non Totalitarian government system. European mindset demands someone tell the individual what to think because the individual European does not want to think for himself. Ever. On any issue.
All the European governance philosophies since the "end" of feudalism have been all about flailing around in an attempt to invent a new form of feudalism. The only real differences between any of the philosophies of governance is about who is established as the new aristocrat class.
Posted by: Grimmy at July 19, 2017 03:46 PM (m+qrc)
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UK health should admit that they are not going to let baby Charlie get an experimental treatment for the simple reason that they cannot risk being pressured to pay for that treatment for the next baby with that disease.
But of course every government health board aka death panel hides behind the veneer of "it would be wrong to prolong suffering" and blah blah blah.
But of course every government health board aka death panel hides behind the veneer of "it would be wrong to prolong suffering" and blah blah blah.
Posted by: PaleRider at July 19, 2017 04:04 PM (eASYU)
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492 Funny... I remember this same exact issue playing out a few years back in California. Brain-dead girl after a bizarre complication during routine tonsil surgery. Parents refused to accept that she was brain-dead.
This site ran a story about it.
Only difference was she was a black girl from a black family with a ethnic name. Oh yeah, and the comments made fun of the "stupid" family and their brain dead child.
Posted by: GBurras at July 19, 2017 03:43 PM (c/oOm)
Funny, but hypoxic ischemic brain injury is a very well defined clinical syndrome, so it isn't really the same issue, unless you are a clueless fuckwit.
My bet is that if you are playing the race card here, and you are, you are probably a clueless fuckwit. So the question is: how did you manage to grow up into a clueless fuckwit? Humans are naturally such a gifted species, and here you are, a stupid twat, reduced to starting empty headed posts with the whole millenially moronic "Funny..I recall derp derp derp....." shit schtick. What happened?
This site ran a story about it.
Only difference was she was a black girl from a black family with a ethnic name. Oh yeah, and the comments made fun of the "stupid" family and their brain dead child.
Posted by: GBurras at July 19, 2017 03:43 PM (c/oOm)
Funny, but hypoxic ischemic brain injury is a very well defined clinical syndrome, so it isn't really the same issue, unless you are a clueless fuckwit.
My bet is that if you are playing the race card here, and you are, you are probably a clueless fuckwit. So the question is: how did you manage to grow up into a clueless fuckwit? Humans are naturally such a gifted species, and here you are, a stupid twat, reduced to starting empty headed posts with the whole millenially moronic "Funny..I recall derp derp derp....." shit schtick. What happened?
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In. at July 19, 2017 04:26 PM (CPk08)
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Although I often disagree with Charles Krauthammer , his opinion on this, based on his background as a psychiatrist and as a paraplegic whose own experiences with being intubated for weeks is not something he would wish on anyone really puts this entire episode in perspective.
He personally doesn't believe the that the child will live once he is taken off life support and doesn't believe there is any miracle treatment for the child and he said he was disgusted by doctors who are attempting to make a name for themselves with offering such treatments. But he said that it should be up to the parents, who have the best , least bias interest in the child, not the state, which has no interest in him, and has no relationship with him either.
Posted by: Jen the original at July 19, 2017 03:20 PM
Well, almost. I think one difference is that Gard is a very young child. Kids can actually recover, both physically and mentally, in a way that adults cannot. On the other hand, I agree that the chances of this working are slim to none.
He personally doesn't believe the that the child will live once he is taken off life support and doesn't believe there is any miracle treatment for the child and he said he was disgusted by doctors who are attempting to make a name for themselves with offering such treatments. But he said that it should be up to the parents, who have the best , least bias interest in the child, not the state, which has no interest in him, and has no relationship with him either.
Posted by: Jen the original at July 19, 2017 03:20 PM
Well, almost. I think one difference is that Gard is a very young child. Kids can actually recover, both physically and mentally, in a way that adults cannot. On the other hand, I agree that the chances of this working are slim to none.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In. at July 19, 2017 04:38 PM (CPk08)
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If tey don't care if he dies, why would they care that he live?
Posted by: JoshO at July 19, 2017 05:05 PM (dX5EB)
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