Insane: New DOJ Directive Presses Forward with Unconstitutional Civil Asset Forfeiture Policy <i>Even in States Where the Unconstitutional Practice is Banned by State Law</i>

Insane: New DOJ Directive Presses Forward with Unconstitutional Civil Asset Forfeiture Policy Even in States Where the Unconstitutional Practice is Banned by State Law

JUST IN: DOJ new asset forfeiture policy - police can seize property from people not charged w/crime even in states where it's been banned. pic.twitter.com/P8K0g80m4E
— Paula Reid (@PaulaReidCBS) July 19, 2017

Posted by: Ace at 12:13 PM

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1
First?

Posted by: fixerupper at July 19, 2017 12:14 PM (8XRCm)

2
Gotta hand it to Jefferson Beauregard -- he's right on top of what's important!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 19, 2017 12:15 PM (pNxlR)

3 So this, NeverTrumpers, is one area that I strongly disagree with the president. I'm actually extremely disappointed with Sessions overall. He seems much more interested in tripling down on the failed War On Drugs than anything. Great.

Posted by: Alex #11 at July 19, 2017 12:16 PM (ka13S)

4 What the hell happened to Sessions?

Posted by: Ever at July 19, 2017 12:16 PM (QZdJj)

5 Mr. President, What the Hell?

Posted by: Zapp Brannigan at July 19, 2017 12:17 PM (O7MnT)

6 Who is Deborah Conner? And who appointed her?

She ain't no relative of Sarah.

Posted by: geoffb5 at July 19, 2017 12:17 PM (d3wbb)

7 What are they thinking?

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at July 19, 2017 12:17 PM (UBzPO)

8 I posted on this earlier yesterday. Sessions put a whole lot of restrictions on this to prevent the abuses that went on before. But the only way to really prevent abuses is to not allow it at all until conviction.

I have hoped for a long time that some judge would strike this shit down but no luck so far.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 19, 2017 12:17 PM (mpXpK)

9 Conservatives in general seem to really have a blindspot when it comes to police power.

Posted by: Maritime at July 19, 2017 12:17 PM (/N6Ju)

10 What the hell happened to Sessions?

He got lobbied by the cop lobby who maintain that stealing money from innocent people is absolutely essential to the war on drug.

Posted by: V the K at July 19, 2017 12:18 PM (O7MnT)

11 I knew this guy was a fuck up.

Posted by: Under Fire at July 19, 2017 12:18 PM (mcI77)

12 I was promised red meat and only got this processed pork rind.

Posted by: AE at July 19, 2017 12:18 PM (g2dpq)

13 What is this a reaction to? The Opioid Epidemic going on in Christie's state? Or is this just a pet project for Sessions that he couldn't wait to institute? I can't make sense of this.

Posted by: Orson at July 19, 2017 12:19 PM (kdJdu)

14
You know.... what part of "unreasonable searches and SEIZURES" dont these assholes get??

Posted by: fixerupper at July 19, 2017 12:19 PM (8XRCm)

15 stealing money from innocent people is absolutely essential

- I'm Hillary Clinton and I approve this message

Posted by: Rick in SK at July 19, 2017 12:19 PM (FZYNt)

16 The administration is leaking like a sieve, Susan Rice is thumbing her nose at the country, the DOJ is still full of Obama holdovers, but I'm sure glad we have our priorities in order.

I am ready to give up.

Posted by: LGoPs at July 19, 2017 12:19 PM (qSQV7)

17 9 Conservatives in general seem to really have a blindspot when it comes to police power.
Posted by: Maritime at July 19, 2017 12:17 PM (/N6Ju)

I agree.

Posted by: Insomniac, Pimp Hand of the Patriarchy at July 19, 2017 12:19 PM (0mRoj)

18 If they were using this only in the case of drugs that would be one thing. But there never has been any law or rule that was designed for one thing that didn't get used for everything. And cops have used this for everything.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 19, 2017 12:19 PM (mpXpK)

19 Sessions should just go back to selecting drapes for his office.

I'm all out of "can't evens."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 19, 2017 12:19 PM (PY9jH)

20 The only universal political rule I've found so far is
"The GOP will betray you, sooner or later, but they will betray you!"

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 12:20 PM (gwPgz)

21 War on Drugs!

Posted by: Chris M at July 19, 2017 12:20 PM (eAZVt)

22 again, where is the

Burn it Down,
Scatter the Stones,
Salt the Earth

Posted by: Rick in SK at July 19, 2017 12:20 PM (FZYNt)

23 *looks around for place to throw towel*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 19, 2017 12:20 PM (PY9jH)

24 I bet Gorillapundit thinks this is a crock of shit.

Posted by: wth at July 19, 2017 12:20 PM (HgMAr)

25 Be thankful we let you keep anything for a time, comrades. Everything within the state, nothing without.

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at July 19, 2017 12:20 PM (E/DK1)

26 It's nothing short of theft.

The Sessions crawls out of his hole, sees his shadow and shits out this monstrosity.

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 19, 2017 12:21 PM (W1XyZ)

27 This is the one part of Sessions I cannot support and do not understand. There's nothing "law and order" about this, its unconstitutional, unjust, and simply theft for police departments to take advantage of.

The constitution clearly states that you cannot seize property without due process.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 12:22 PM (39g3+)

28 Eight years of complete and utter lawless and that dumb SOB Sessions can't find a single person to prosecute.

The Pubbies will be damned if they do anything they were sent to Washington to do. But they sure as hell are set on reminding us of why they were voted out.

Just where is the constituency clamoring for the feds to come and take more of our stuff, and to trample our rights?

Posted by: Thatch at July 19, 2017 12:22 PM (GxTZq)

29 Just one more of a long list of things that need to be sent to the Supremes.

Sessions is turning to be quite the F*ck up. Not impressed.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 19, 2017 12:22 PM (jxbfJ)

30 Didn't they want to go after MMJ too? They're probably looking to ruin a bunch of small businesses in states where it's "legal".

Posted by: Chris M at July 19, 2017 12:22 PM (eAZVt)

31 Anarchists, in general, seem to have a blind spot when it comes to lawlessness in the street.

Posted by: Lestore Moore at July 19, 2017 12:22 PM (m9X4Y)

32 18 If they were using this only in the case of drugs that would be one thing. But there never has been any law or rule that was designed for one thing that didn't get used for everything. And cops have used this for everything.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 19, 2017 12:19 PM (mpXpK)

Even if it has to do with drugs, the government should have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the owner committed the crime and that the property is in fact proceeds of that crime. Until that point they can fuck off.

Posted by: Insomniac, Pimp Hand of the Patriarchy at July 19, 2017 12:22 PM (0mRoj)

33 Does anyone really believe that Sessions is acting without the approval of his boss?

Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2017 12:22 PM (/tuJf)

34 No doubt to be followed by a push for more Muslim Cops.

Because they won't abuse this to any degree, no sir.

Posted by: Hikaru at July 19, 2017 12:22 PM (9TK8E)

35 What the hell?

How does this square at all with the 4th Amendment? How has the SC NOT had this come before them yet?

I knew I would have disappointments in Trump and his administration, because they are human and make mistakes. But this seems like a no brainer, and the fact that it's still allowed is mind boggling.

Not okay.

Posted by: moki at July 19, 2017 12:22 PM (V+V48)

36 add to this Tillerson okaying the definition of close family in the Travel Ban. Yeah, good hiring manager PDT.

Posted by: Under Fire at July 19, 2017 12:22 PM (mcI77)

37 This isn't new, Sessions has always been a forfeiture fan, but there's no need to double down on it. This is simply wrong and must not be allowed.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 12:23 PM (39g3+)

38 Another instance where simple repeal of Obama policy would be far, far better than screwing around and making things worse in the doing.

Starting to see a pattern here.

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at July 19, 2017 12:23 PM (LISuA)

39 9 Conservatives in general seem to really have a blindspot when it comes to police power.

Posted by: Maritime at July 19, 2017 12:17 PM (/N6Ju)

Kinda agree here. I believe this whole thing came about due to the crack cocaine and the WE GOTTA DO SOMETHING GODDAMNIT! George H.W. Bush came up with this super conservative idea. Even a banjo playing idiot knew this would get out of control quickly.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 19, 2017 12:23 PM (4ErVI)

40 I keep telling you people, Democrats and Republicans only differ on the Ends. The Means ? Not so much.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 19, 2017 12:23 PM (GoNER)

41 12 I was promised red meat and only got this processed pork rind.
=====
We wanted steak and got tofu burgers.

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 19, 2017 12:23 PM (W1XyZ)

42 Hey, see, I woke up now.

Are you guys happy finally?

Posted by: No longer Slumbern Sessions at July 19, 2017 12:24 PM (eSx+E)

43 Speaking only for myself, I support law enforcement in general, and yes, I do tend to give them the benefit of the doubt. But I also know where to draw the line, and this is wayyyyyyyyy over it.

Posted by: Fortunato at July 19, 2017 12:24 PM (/WWMI)

44 I heard on AFR yesterday that since 2001 Uncle Sam has seized more loot than thieves have stolen.

Posted by: Derptastic at July 19, 2017 12:24 PM (OOzGp)

45 It looks like this is actually intended to REDUCE asset forfeitures, since the local departments cannot keep them - hence, no more monetary incentive. Further, it looks like the objective is to facilitate challenges to the forfeiture by the proper owner.

Posted by: Travis at July 19, 2017 12:24 PM (kLG2c)

46 After reading the documents, I'm not 100% sure the tweet is a completely accurate characterization.

Posted by: V the K at July 19, 2017 12:24 PM (O7MnT)

47 Civil Asset Forfeiture for any reason + Muslim Cops = Jizya, Jizya, Jizya.

Posted by: Hikaru at July 19, 2017 12:24 PM (9TK8E)

48 If they were using this only in the case of drugs that would be one thing. But there never has been any law or rule that was designed for one thing that didn't get used for everything. And cops have used this for everything.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party
____

They've used the Patriot Act to go after people that pirate movies.

I'd be fine if a few drug kingpins maybe got to keep their money rather than give law enforcement an opening like this with seizing assets before a conviction.

Posted by: Maritime at July 19, 2017 12:24 PM (/N6Ju)

49 Of course, the media will seize upon this as an OMG moment when in fact they haven't done shit about this either.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 19, 2017 12:24 PM (4ErVI)

50 Hmmm. Apparently, not being satisfied w/ just the left doing it, they want EVERYONE shooting at cops. That'll work out well.

Posted by: Abiss at July 19, 2017 12:24 PM (L6Zpd)

51 WTF!?
WTF!?
WTF!?

That's all I got.

Posted by: mpfs at July 19, 2017 12:24 PM (OV+ka)

52 Someone really does need to take this to the supreme court. I know this is a useful tool for law enforcement to break bad guys that can use the goodies to escape or whatever, but pragmatism doesn't make it right. Surely someone can take this to court.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 12:25 PM (39g3+)

53 This directive is needed to seize all Clinton Foundation assets?

Posted by: MAGA at July 19, 2017 12:25 PM (Tyk2V)

54 I had hoped PDT would federally decriminalize MJ so The Left really wouldn't know what to do with themselves. Instead they just double-down on the stupid.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at July 19, 2017 12:25 PM (UBzPO)

55 Can we add Department of "Justice" to the style guide? Because they're basically turning that word into irony.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 12:25 PM (3OIiX)

56 Second look at Attorney General Ted Cruz?

Posted by: ShainS at July 19, 2017 12:25 PM (ZxCP7)

57 Someone really does need to take this to the supreme court.

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Careful... Kelo went the wrong way on imminent domain.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 19, 2017 12:26 PM (8XRCm)

58 How is this not against the 4th, 9th and 10th amendments?

Posted by: Strobe at July 19, 2017 12:26 PM (gbWkA)

59 Maybe they'll go after the Clinton Foundation.

I can dream, can't I?

Posted by: Dang at July 19, 2017 12:26 PM (Cz8p1)

60 Just when BLM and AntIfa have made me more sympathetic to the cops, this shit rears its ugly head.

Policing in America is broken, and I have no idea how to fix it.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 19, 2017 12:26 PM (wYseH)

61 55 Can we add Department of "Justice" to the style guide? Because they're basically turning that word into irony.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 12:25 PM (3OIiX)

Different from Holder's Department of Just-Us?

Posted by: Hikaru at July 19, 2017 12:26 PM (9TK8E)

62 All you need to do is read the last line on page 2 and you see what's going on.

Posted by: Michael Penney at July 19, 2017 12:26 PM (oQLiq)

63 After reading the documents, I'm not 100% sure the tweet is a completely accurate characterization.
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I can't read documents like that. Whenever I try my brain turns to mush and I end up out in the weed patch pulling weeds and mumbling incoherently.

Posted by: Lestore Moore at July 19, 2017 12:27 PM (m9X4Y)

64 Sessions has never opposed any of this sort of thing, heck PDT is all about eminent domain for economic development, aka usung eminent domain to build private developments. This is one place where there is absolutely no daylight between parties.

Rag on Rand Paul all you want but... even rag on Ted Cruz... nobody else is going to give you the time of day.

Posted by: Roy CT at July 19, 2017 12:27 PM (Y2F+l)

65 In other news:

ICE To Hire 10,000 More Agents, Many To Be Deployed To Sanctuary Cities

Weasel Zippers

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 19, 2017 12:27 PM (SjImc)

66 i'm very dissapointed with this... What reason could be given to make this anything desirable for America?

Posted by: willow at July 19, 2017 12:27 PM (v12G8)

67 There was a televised meeting in the White House early in the first weeks of the admin about drug policy. It was quite clear that President Trump liked the idea of asset forfeiture. He expressed some dismay that there was opposition to it.

Posted by: RioBravo at July 19, 2017 12:27 PM (SsblQ)

68 56 Second look at Attorney General Ted Cruz?
Posted by: ShainS at July 19, 2017 12:25 PM (ZxCP7)

How about a second look at if we need one at all ?

Any Power given to the State will eventually be used against the Citizenry.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 19, 2017 12:27 PM (GoNER)

69 9 Conservatives in general seem to really have a blindspot when it comes to police power.
Posted by: Maritime

amen to that. some were defending the minnesota cop's decision to kill the woman because the cop might have thought her phone was a gun like that magically makes it a good shoot. and to be specific they weren't defending it on whether it was a criminal act, which could be argued one way or the other, but that he shouldn't necessarily lose his job for fatal fucking incompetence if he had good intentions. I don't understand that kind of kneejerk reaction.

Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at July 19, 2017 12:27 PM (nFwvY)

70 I've said it before, and I'll say it again: people who think hard drug use is a victimless crime probably never had a junkie in the family. Still, I'm having a hard time continuing to support the war on drugs these days. So much of what passes under that banner seems wasteful, both in money and human toll.

Asset forfeiture without a conviction or even filed charges is evil, however. If this doesn't get halted by the courts, it will someday be adjudicated in the streets. Eventually, I fear good cops will pay the price owed by the abusers of this travesty.

I think the Supremes will put a halt to it, if ever a case gets there.

Posted by: Advo at July 19, 2017 12:27 PM (Ms4Um)

71 People are acting like this is a new policy, created by Sessions. Its not. He didn't invent this he just doesn't have a problem with it. Increasingly, states do, and have been passing laws to stop it.

Careful... Kelo went the wrong way on imminent domain.

SCOTUS ruling that its okay would make matters no worse than they stand right now, how would we need to be careful?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 12:27 PM (39g3+)

72 Ace, could we get a primer on the mechanics of civil asset forfeiture? IIRC, the burden of proof is on the accused, but is the evidentiary standard a preponderance or just more likely than not? And the accusatory statement is, what, merely a sworn affidavit that someone thinks this is the proceeds of a crime?

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at July 19, 2017 12:27 PM (E/DK1)

73
Someone really does need to take this to the supreme court.
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Yep, its a tax.

Posted by: John Roberts at July 19, 2017 12:27 PM (eSx+E)

74 This directive is needed to seize all Clinton Foundation assets?
Posted by: MAGA at July 19, 2017 12:25 PM (Tyk2V)

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There arent any.

Closed up shop a few weeks ago. You'd think charitable giving in always in vogue.... but since Hillary lost the election, nobody was donating to the Clintons anymore.

Weird.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 19, 2017 12:28 PM (8XRCm)

75
Does anyone really believe that Sessions is acting without the approval of his boss?
Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2017 12:22 PM (/tuJf)

I do. This doesn't seem like something you'd take to the president for approval

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 19, 2017 12:28 PM (lKyWE)

76 If you read the document, it looks like the directive is to turn over seized assets to the Feds - not to encourage more of them. I think they want to remove the financial incentive for the local police to just grab stuff, since the police won't get to keep it anyway.

Posted by: Travis at July 19, 2017 12:28 PM (kLG2c)

77 OK, it's really small print and I'm basically lazy, but I tried to read it and don't think it says quite what Paula Reed tweeted.

It seems to be the Feds asserting a right to seize assets from localities that have already stolen the assets from citizens if there's any nexus to a violation of federal law.

I mean, I read it as a new directive from the big boss to the capos as to what they should be kicking up.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 19, 2017 12:28 PM (gIRsn)

78 Yeesh. Even I don't see where he's going with this. Literally every administration priority served with this- drugs, immigration, etc- could be better served some other way.

About the only thing that makes sense is using such a law as a pre-emptive strike against criminals, but again, none of the prerequisites for Total War are met yet.

Very disappointing, and that's coming from someone who thought Sessions was a huge net plus to the ticket.

Posted by: trev006 at July 19, 2017 12:28 PM (IbaEw)

79 Dragging eminent domain into this? Jesus, quite a stretch there. LOL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 19, 2017 12:28 PM (SjImc)

80 Surely someone can take this to court.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 12:25 PM (39g3+)

It has been taken to court, and even to the SCOTUS. The cases were narrowly focused, but I know that Justice Thomas is very, very skeptical of this shit.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 19, 2017 12:28 PM (wYseH)

81 46 After reading the documents, I'm not 100% sure the tweet is a completely accurate characterization.
Posted by: V the K at July 19, 2017 12:24 PM (O7MnT)

I think you're right. It seems to say, paraphrasing heavily that property lawfully siezed by state/local authorities under their state laws can be grabbed up by the Feds if the actions resulting in the seizure violated federal law. It's still shitty but not quite what the tweet says.

Posted by: Insomniac, Pimp Hand of the Patriarchy at July 19, 2017 12:28 PM (0mRoj)

82 Anarchists, in general, seem to have a blind spot when it comes to lawlessness in the street.

Posted by: Lestore Moore
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Well, I do now.

Posted by: Aged hippy with swollen black eye at July 19, 2017 12:29 PM (kUfFq)

83 Posted by: Advo at July 19, 2017 12:27 PM (Ms4Um)

It's obvious we're not going to stop drug abuse with money and laws. Much of it is a spiritual emptiness and a loss of hope. Pouring more money into seizing drugs won't do anything to erase the demand.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 19, 2017 12:30 PM (4ErVI)

84 I'll trust the V the K interpreting rather than some CBS asshole.

Posted by: MAGA at July 19, 2017 12:30 PM (Tyk2V)

85
Not happy with this at all. However, from what I read it was anonymous source, so may be trial balloon or FakeNews.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at July 19, 2017 12:30 PM (EgwCt)

86 Any Power given to the State will eventually be used against the Citizenry.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 19, 2017 12:27 PM (GoNER)

No no no! They'll use it to protect and serve!

Posted by: Insomniac, Pimp Hand of the Patriarchy at July 19, 2017 12:30 PM (0mRoj)

87 "I Won't Let Myself Be F***ed": French Armed Forces Chief Resigns After Clashing With Macron

France's armed forces chief resigned on Wednesday, culminating a dramatic dispute with president Emmanuel Macron over defense budget cuts, in what Reuters called "an early test of the newly elected president's mettle and the tough presidential style he is cultivating." Last week, General Pierre de Villiers publicly lashed out about Macron's proposed 850 euro million cuts to the military's budget, when in an outburst before a parliament committee he said he "won't let myself be fucked like that," adding that "I may be stupid, but I know when I am being had."

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at July 19, 2017 12:30 PM (a7n7B)

88 Those big bags of cash.

Posted by: davidt at July 19, 2017 12:30 PM (XoldI)

89 That Jeff Sessions has really got his priorities straight, hasn't he?

Makes me feel good to have a patriot as the AG again.

And yes, since you ask, this shit sandwich is tasty!

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 19, 2017 12:30 PM (X6fMO)

90 Anyone want to take bets on if a federal judge in Hawaii is ready to strike down this one?

Anyone? I'll give really good odds.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 19, 2017 12:30 PM (KUaJL)

91 Yeah, good hiring manager PDT.

Posted by: Under Fire at July 19, 2017 12:22 PM (mcI77)

Where in the heck is the "You're FIRED!" manager I voted for?

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 12:31 PM (gwPgz)

92 Figured Sessions was trash from the git go. Been in politics too long already.

Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at July 19, 2017 12:31 PM (NANvE)

93 Sort of related.

The Somali officer that shot the Yoda Instructor in Minneapolis last Saturday night had his gun unholstered and in his lap when they were driving down the alley. They were afraid of an ambush. She walked up to their SUV and pounded on the roof of the SUV to get their attention. She did.

Posted by: rd at July 19, 2017 12:31 PM (4dz1m)

94 I arrest that Ferrari for going TOO SLOW in a 40 zone ..now hand over the keys BEIBER.

Posted by: saf at July 19, 2017 12:31 PM (cS/ge)

95 Not a nation of laws.

A nation of men.

/soooo not good.

Posted by: shibumi at July 19, 2017 12:31 PM (aT+Bx)

96 It was quite clear that President Trump liked the idea of asset
forfeiture. He expressed some dismay that there was opposition to it.
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If the issue is drug dealers' elicit gains, why not just levy heavier fines upon conviction?

There is absolutely no justification for allowing the police to steal property because they think the person with it might have committed a crime.

We've got this odd trend where rather then creating heavier punishments with stringent ground for conviction we are making it far easier to convict people for things but then reducing the punishment.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 19, 2017 12:31 PM (eSx+E)

97 Right, President Trump has always been bad on certain issues such as eminent domain. He's a real estate guy, he loves taking crap away from people to build and make more money off the deal. Everyone is a mixed bag.

But this, Sessions had a golden opportunity to do the right thing and end the policy. He should have taken it. This is an example of the GOP having everything they need to do the right thing in a way that makes them look like the good guy and they blew it, again.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 12:31 PM (39g3+)

98 It seems to say, paraphrasing heavily that property lawfully siezed by state/local authorities under their state laws can be grabbed up by the Feds if the actions resulting in the seizure violated federal law. It's still shitty but not quite what the tweet says.
Posted by: Insomniac, Pimp Hand of the Patriarchy at July 19, 2017 12:28 PM (0mRoj)++++++++++++++++++

for what purpose would the Feds procure the assets?
Are they also stating they will release the assets back to their owner if siezed illegally?

Posted by: willow at July 19, 2017 12:31 PM (v12G8)

99 I'd rather there were no civil asset forfeiture. That said, if you have to have it, hedge it around with exceptions and safeguards, which is what this seems to be doing.

(Don't know why it's being imposed on states that forbid civil asset forfeiture; maybe to give them an opportunity to take it to SCOTUS, as somebody said above.)

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at July 19, 2017 12:31 PM (RD7QR)

100 >>I do. This doesn't seem like something you'd take to the president for approval

Amending one of the most controversial policing laws in the country? Yea, it seems to me this is exactly the type of thing you would take the Chief Executive.

We just watched 8 years of Holder and Lynch marching in lockstep with Obama but now we assume the AG is operating as a rogue agent? Sessions was one of the first if not the first Senators to back Trump. I think they are aligned on pretty much everything.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2017 12:32 PM (/tuJf)

101 "21 War on Drugs!

Posted by: Chris M"

Very effective. I think I smoked a joint with my friends in response to Nancy Reagan's appearance on Diff'rent Strokes.

Posted by: Benji Carver at July 19, 2017 12:32 PM (OD2ni)

102 This isn't the MAGA we were promised...

Posted by: GuyfromNH at July 19, 2017 12:32 PM (Gs5TH)

103 Alright, I was wrong wrong wrong about Sessions waking up and doing something. I admit it. Back to sleep, Jefferson.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 19, 2017 12:33 PM (ul9CR)

104 Slightly OT but If Sessions resigns, would the next AG be able to fire Mueller and his crew of DNC lawyers since the new AG could address the Russia thing (no personal recusal)?Or, would Rosenstein still be the only one who could dismiss Mueller? These leaks coming from Mueller's group should be grounds for dismissal, imo.

Posted by: Ever at July 19, 2017 12:33 PM (QZdJj)

105 I didn't recuse myself....

Posted by: Jeff Sessions at July 19, 2017 12:33 PM (vg8iE)

106 If you read the document, it looks like the directive is to turn over seized assets to the Feds - not to encourage more of them. I think they want to remove the financial incentive for the local police to just grab stuff, since the police won't get to keep it anyway.

That was my impression. Try as I might, I couldn't find the part where it authorizes forfeitures "Even in States Where the Unconstitutional Practice is Banned by State Law." But I did see language about "in compliance with state and Federal law."

Posted by: V the K at July 19, 2017 12:33 PM (O7MnT)

107 That Jeff Sessions has really got his priorities straight, hasn't he?
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1) Drug Dealers
2) People with money.
[...]
5ish) Illegals (yeah!)
[...]
99999999) People in the government breaking laws.

Posted by: No longer Slumbern Sessions at July 19, 2017 12:33 PM (eSx+E)

108 Yoga, not Yoda Instructor. Damn you auto correct!

Posted by: rd at July 19, 2017 12:33 PM (4dz1m)

109 It's called Revenue Enhancement, Boys and Girls.

Posted by: ALH at July 19, 2017 12:34 PM (uLuPn)

110 I strongly suspect "please break the law, DOJ orders" is not an accurate characterization. Particularly because See BS.

Posted by: Sporkatus at July 19, 2017 12:34 PM (eXSOZ)

111
A cop shot Yoda?

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 19, 2017 12:34 PM (lKyWE)

112 ...and if the seizure of assets were in violation of federal law will there be prosecutions of those who violated federal law in seizing those assets?

Posted by: Lestore Moore at July 19, 2017 12:34 PM (m9X4Y)

113
This govt overreach crap is the one thing that drives me truly nutty. Even more so than the feckless republicans in congress.

Literally nothing you have is owned by you. Even if the govt requires you to purchase it.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 19, 2017 12:34 PM (r+sAi)

114 80 It has been taken to court, and even to the SCOTUS.
The cases were narrowly focused, but I know that Justice Thomas is very,
very skeptical of this shit.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 19, 2017 12:28 PM (wYseH)

To my knowledge there has been only one case taken to court for asset forfeiture. And that was case AFTER conviction. There has been no case taken to court for taking assets w/o conviction, much less no charges even being filed.

There have been court battles by victims to get their assets back. And in almost all cases they did get their money back, but not always all of it. None of those though have gone to SCOTUS. and they had to pay the legal fees.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 19, 2017 12:34 PM (mpXpK)

115 96 It was quite clear that President Trump liked the idea of asset
forfeiture. He expressed some dismay that there was opposition to it.
***
If the issue is drug dealers' elicit gains, why not just levy heavier fines upon conviction?

There is absolutely no justification for allowing the police to steal property because they think the person with it might have committed a crime.

We've got this odd trend where rather then creating heavier punishments with stringent ground for conviction we are making it far easier to convict people for things but then reducing the punishment.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 19, 2017 12:31 PM (eSx+E)

Make them unemployable, then get them on the welfare rolls.

Cloward and Piven, baby,

Posted by: Hikaru at July 19, 2017 12:34 PM (9TK8E)

116 It's still shitty but not quite what the tweet says.

Posted by: Insomniac, Pimp Hand of the Patriarchy at July 19, 2017 12:28 PM (0mRoj)

Agreed, but in reality it is a relaxation of the restrictions. The states and municipalities will see it as tacit approval, and we will get more of it.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 19, 2017 12:34 PM (wYseH)

117 Yeah Sessions is so sleepy and useless he's having thousands of illegals deported and sweeping the country clear of MS-13 gang bangers. The guy isn't doing nothing he's just not doing what you want, as fast as you want, as publicly as you want, in the way that you want.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 12:34 PM (39g3+)

118 On a smallish scale, . I would assume assets seized by state or federal is a biggish deal. Would those assets be returned when they lose a conviction?

and I guess my issue withthis is also that we have seen first hand how the govt (feds also) do b.s to fk with their oppeonents, politically or just because they can..
so why would Trump or sessions help assist this type of law?

Posted by: willow at July 19, 2017 12:35 PM (v12G8)

119 A commentor here said it best a couple of months ago--sending good, moral people to Washington is like sending unarmed people into a city infested by zombies. They're just going to get bitten and become part of the problem.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 19, 2017 12:35 PM (MZcWR)

120 police can seize property from people not charged w/crime even in states where it's been banned

Oh man, if ever a shot were placed across the bow.....

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 19, 2017 12:36 PM (i0ykY)

121 Just where is the constituency clamoring for the feds to come and take more of our stuff, and to trample our rights?
======

Right here! *raises hands*

Posted by: The Left at July 19, 2017 12:36 PM (vg8iE)

122 It's obvious we're not going to stop drug abuse with money and laws. Much of it is a spiritual emptiness and a loss of hope. Pouring more money into seizing drugs won't do anything to erase the demand.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 19, 2017 12:30 PM (4ErVI)

Nah, the next trillion dollars, SWAT teams, and police tanks in residential neighborhoods will do it.

Posted by: Alex #11 at July 19, 2017 12:36 PM (ka13S)

123 I would also add, my assumption that many that would lose their assets might not have funds to fight to retain them.. as some with IRS.
or other cases we've read about the last couple of decades.

Posted by: willow at July 19, 2017 12:36 PM (v12G8)

124 I don't understand that kind of kneejerk reaction.
Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at July 19, 2017 12:27 PM (nFwvY)

I do.

Most people, Republican and Democrat alike, ain't really all that keen on self-rule and citizenship ... because that shit is hard and there's risk that comes with it.

Nope - most people prefer serfdom - trading a little freedom for perceived security. When the shit hits the fan ... most people really like the idea that some elite class of palladins will come charging in to save their asses. And most people will turn a blind eye to the transgressions that will always occur when you give any class of people rights and privileges above those of the common citizen.

For Democrats - it's lawyers and bureaucrats. For Republicans - it's soldiers and cops. But make no mistake ... both sides just love their fucking elites.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 19, 2017 12:36 PM (GoNER)

125 >>>>Eight years of complete and utter lawless and that dumb SOB Sessions can't find a single person to prosecute.

The Pubbies will be damned if they do anything they were sent to
Washington to do. But they sure as hell are set on reminding us of why
they were voted out.

Just where is the constituency clamoring for the feds to come and take more of our stuff, and to trample our rights?
.
.
.You might have missed the article where the DOJ just sent down indictments on over 400 people for Medicare fraud .

Understandable as the media pretty much refused to cover that.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 19, 2017 12:36 PM (0pcwX)

126 97 But this, Sessions had a golden opportunity to do
the right thing and end the policy. He should have taken it. This is
an example of the GOP having everything they need to do the right thing
in a way that makes them look like the good guy and they blew it, again.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 12:31 PM (39g3+)

Obama had ended the federal part of this. Sessions started it back.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 19, 2017 12:37 PM (mpXpK)

127 This would be a good time for the Republican-Majority/Democrat-run Congress to step up and author some civil asset reform legislation.

Posted by: V the K at July 19, 2017 12:37 PM (O7MnT)

128 Just when BLM and AntIfa have made me more sympathetic to the cops, this shit rears its ugly head.

Policing in America is broken, and I have no idea how to fix it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

Policing in the US has BEEN broken. The rate of dog shootings alone signifies that a level of casual violence is tolerated toward the public.

"Fearing for safety" and "blackouts where they can't recall" shooting a woman in a hallway and waltzing away are signs.

when cops handed over an escaped victim to Jeffrey Dahmer and got their jobs back, we knew that policing was broken.

When they decided to no longer be police, but union thugs in Madison WI, it was broken.

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 19, 2017 12:37 PM (326rv)

129 will thwey seize assets of someone that didn't return their library book?

laygh, but look didn't they pull some shit with such a case?
where they became belligerent?

Posted by: willow at July 19, 2017 12:37 PM (v12G8)

130 The document specifically talks about forfeitures seized "lawfully by state or local law enforcement under their respective state laws." How is that allowing for forfeiture in states where it's been banned?

Posted by: dasbow at July 19, 2017 12:37 PM (xq7pr)

131 104 Slightly OT but If Sessions resigns, would the next AG be able to fire Mueller and his crew of DNC lawyers since the new AG could address the Russia thing (no personal recusal)?Or, would Rosenstein still be the only one who could dismiss Mueller? These leaks coming from Mueller's group should be grounds for dismissal, imo.
Posted by: Ever at July 19, 2017 12:33 PM (QZdJj)

---------

The US Senate will approve the new AG sometime in 2019 at the rate they are going.

Hopefully today at lunch, Trump told the Turtle to send all these fucks home on recess. Then, atleast Trump can recess appoint the 800 or so appointees.

Posted by: rd at July 19, 2017 12:37 PM (4dz1m)

132
The Somali officer that shot the Yoda Instructor in Minneapolis last Saturday night had his gun unholstered and in his lap when they were driving down the alley. They were afraid of an ambush. She walked up to their SUV and pounded on the roof of the SUV to get their attention. She did.
Posted by: rd at July 19, 2017 12:31 PM (4dz1m)

That makes zero sense.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 19, 2017 12:38 PM (lKyWE)

133 obvious we're not going to stop drug abuse with money and laws.

---

Next up: the basic universal dose.

Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at July 19, 2017 12:38 PM (NANvE)

134 I think you're right. It seems to say, paraphrasing heavily that property lawfully siezed by state/local authorities under their state laws can be grabbed up by the Feds if the actions resulting in the seizure violated federal law. It's still shitty but not quite what the tweet says.
Posted by: Insomniac

IOW, the feds want their vig.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 19, 2017 12:38 PM (G0G8s)

135 Most people, Republican and Democrat alike, ain't really all that keen on self-rule and citizenship ... because that shit is hard and there's risk that comes with it.

Nope - most people prefer serfdom - trading a little freedom for perceived security. When the shit hits the fan ... most people really like the idea that some elite class of palladins will come charging in to save their asses. And most people will turn a blind eye to the transgressions that will always occur when you give any class of people rights and privileges above those of the common citizen.

For Democrats - it's lawyers and bureaucrats. For Republicans - it's soldiers and cops. But make no mistake ... both sides just love their fucking elites.
---
Sadly, I agree.

Posted by: shibumi at July 19, 2017 12:38 PM (aT+Bx)

136 Yeah Sessions is so sleepy and useless he's having thousands of illegals
deported and sweeping the country clear of MS-13 gang bangers
***
How many has he deported? How many did Obama did deport in the same time frame?

How many government employees/ex-employees have been indicted for corruption, leaking etc? How does that compare to the same time frame under Obama?

Posted by: 18-1 at July 19, 2017 12:38 PM (eSx+E)

137 The Justine Damond case just smells of cop incompetence.

Noor's
lawyer Plunkett is handing all the media for him. Harrity has been
talking to investigators. Now the MPD is looking for a white male
bicyclist who Harrity says witnessed what happened.

She was shot
in the abdomen through the open driver's window of the patrol car. How
tall was Justine? I have this gut feeling that Justine was right up on
them before they knew she was there. In these times of cop
assassinations that would show a terrible lack of situational awareness
on the officers' part. Especially when they were supposed to be looking for an assault in progress.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at July 19, 2017 12:38 PM (rNQTc)

138 And NOW we know what Jeff Sessions has been working on....

/spits.

Posted by: Don Q. at July 19, 2017 12:38 PM (NgKpN)

139 I'm starting to think that the Senate's rejection of Sessions nomination for a federal judgeship wasn't such a bad thing.

Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at July 19, 2017 12:39 PM (PMkYS)

140 ugh, I was hoping Trump would weaken states feds/authority over the people.

I am hating this.

Posted by: willow at July 19, 2017 12:39 PM (v12G8)

141 Here is Trump from February of this year threatening to "destroy the career" of a state senator from Texas who was trying to overturn the state asset forfeiture laws. Trump absolutely believes in this policy.

This is not all Sessions.

http://tinyurl.com/jk928ch

Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2017 12:39 PM (/tuJf)

142 The Somali officer that shot the Yoda Instructor in Minneapolis last Saturday night had his gun unholstered and in his lap when they were driving down the alley. They were afraid of an ambush. She walked up to their SUV and pounded on the roof of the SUV to get their attention. She did.
Posted by: rd at July 19, 2017 12:31 PM (4dz1m)

That makes zero sense.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 19, 2017 12:38 PM

Works for us! "Hero Muslim Cop Saves Partner's Life, Despite Islamophobia."

Posted by: The MSM at July 19, 2017 12:39 PM (aT+Bx)

143 That makes zero sense

+++

Somali cops in Minneapolis makes sense though

Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at July 19, 2017 12:40 PM (NANvE)

144 To my knowledge there has been only one case taken
to court for asset forfeiture.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 19, 2017 12:34 PM (mpXpK)

More than one.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 19, 2017 12:40 PM (wYseH)

145 I wonder if AtC has seen this.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at July 19, 2017 12:40 PM (RD7QR)

146
The Somali officer that shot the Yoda Instructor in Minneapolis last Saturday night had his gun unholstered and in his lap when they were driving down the alley. They were afraid of an ambush. She walked up to their SUV and pounded on the roof of the SUV to get their attention. She did.
Posted by: rd

Which is why neither one had their camera on. because they had at least one weapon out and they feared an ambush.

Another episode of "Let's blame the corpse".

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 19, 2017 12:40 PM (326rv)

147 >>>>The Somali officer that shot the Yoda Instructor in Minneapolis last
Saturday night had his gun unholstered and in his lap when they were
driving down the alley. They were afraid of an ambush. She walked up to
their SUV and pounded on the roof of the SUV to get their attention. She
did.

Posted by: rd at July 19, 2017 12:31 PM (4dz1m)

That makes zero sense.
.
.
.He is trying to play the Cops are getting assassinated all over the place so we have to be hyper vigilant card, and it is not going to work. You never take your gun out of your holster unless you intend on immediately using deadly force, period.

He is toast.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 19, 2017 12:40 PM (0pcwX)

148 we need a constitutional amendment that allows forfeiture of politicians Wash DC property when they vote against the wishes of a majority of their voters they represent. make them homeless

Posted by: arbitrary turn back at July 19, 2017 12:41 PM (8RQER)

149 146
The Somali officer that shot the Yoda Instructor in Minneapolis last Saturday night had his gun unholstered and in his lap when they were driving down the alley. They were afraid of an ambush. She walked up to their SUV and pounded on the roof of the SUV to get their attention. She did.
Posted by: rd

Which is why neither one had their camera on. because they had at least one weapon out and they feared an ambush.

Another episode of "Let's blame the corpse".
Posted by: Blue Hen

Saw that movie. It was called Pulp Fiction

Posted by: Rick in SK at July 19, 2017 12:41 PM (FZYNt)

150 don't forget D.A.R.E.! your kid gets a free t-shirt that he cant wear on the street. perfect for wearing on those all night Choom benders while watching Half Baked and eating funyuns.

Funyuns. Yeah.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at July 19, 2017 12:41 PM (aUDc+)

151 127 This would be a good time for the Republican-Majority/Democrat-run Congress to step up and author some civil asset reform legislation.
Posted by: V the K at July 19, 2017 12:37 PM (O7MnT)

You are a lily livered liberal that is soft on crime. Why do you hate the police?

/sarc, .

Politicians get crucified by the police can do no wrong lobby when they try this.

Posted by: rd at July 19, 2017 12:41 PM (4dz1m)

152 And how in Hell can the average woman strike the roof of an SUV?

Was this vehicle in motion or stopped?

Did this asshole fire through an open window, or closed?

Was the driver talking to her or not?

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 19, 2017 12:42 PM (326rv)

153 Yeah Sessions is so sleepy and useless he's having thousands of illegals deported and sweeping the country clear of MS-13 gang bangers. The guy isn't doing nothing he's just not doing what you want, as fast as you want, as publicly as you want, in the way that you want.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 12:34 PM (39g3+)

Christopher, I'm not going to disagree with you, but I will say that I believe that, rather than going after those who have broken the law and expect (in some way) to be caught and punished, Sessions would do himself and the DOJ a great favor if he would prosecute high-ranking criminals like Lerner and Scankles and their ilk and prove that the law still applies to the highest in the land.

I would rather one Lois Lerner, who expects to live the rest of her life laughing at the rubes, to be shackled and imprisoned than a hundred gangbangers. Either all should be in jail or none.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 19, 2017 12:42 PM (X6fMO)

154 i don't know. seems as if we are on a long march to something. something dark and evil. i could be wrong though.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 19, 2017 12:42 PM (KP5rU)

155 46 After reading the documents, I'm not 100% sure the tweet is a completely accurate characterization.
Posted by: V the K at July 19, 2017 12:24 PM (O7MnT)

Fake News?

Posted by: rickl at July 19, 2017 12:43 PM (xjiRE)

156 We were promised Champagne Krug Vintage Brut.
We got corn liquor.

Posted by: Under Fire at July 19, 2017 12:44 PM (mcI77)

157 144 More than one.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 19, 2017 12:40 PM (wYseH)

As I said in my post, one case to SCOTUS which was AFTER conviction. There have been many in state courts by people trying to get their assets back.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 19, 2017 12:44 PM (mpXpK)

158 Here is Trump from February of this year threatening to "destroy the career" of a state senator from Texas who was trying to overturn the state asset forfeiture laws. Trump absolutely believes in this policy.

This is not all Sessions.

http://tinyurl.com/jk928ch
Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2017 12:39 PM (/tuJf)

Yeah I remember that, and like I said above this is one area I wholeheartedly disagree with Trump on. Support a lot of other stuff but not this.

Posted by: Alex #11 at July 19, 2017 12:44 PM (ka13S)

159 >>After reading the documents, I'm not 100% sure the tweet is a completely accurate characterization.

Would CBS lie?

Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2017 12:44 PM (/tuJf)

160 wasn't Barney Frank up to shenanigans along with Hillary and her foundation?
I would doubt their assets will be siezed

Posted by: willow at July 19, 2017 12:44 PM (v12G8)

161 144 To my knowledge there has been only one case taken
to court for asset forfeiture.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 19, 2017 12:34 PM (mpXpK)

More than one.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 19, 2017 12:40 PM (wYseH)

In 2014, there was more property taken in asset forfeiture, than were taken by BURGLARS... over 5 Billion Dollars.

Posted by: Don Q. at July 19, 2017 12:45 PM (NgKpN)

162 46,
Yeah. The headlines aren't matching the text.

Funny, No?

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 12:45 PM (MINbv)

163 Didn't anyone ask this guy in confirmation hearings, "Say, are you going to go nuts with the War on Drugs?" This is a fucking tragedy.

Posted by: Toad-O at July 19, 2017 12:45 PM (cct0t)

164 we need a constitutional amendment that allows forfeiture of politicians
Wash DC property when they vote against the wishes of a majority of
their voters they represent. make them homeless
***
As a slightly different take, if any member of the House or Senate loses a re-election bid they forfeit their salaries from their total time in office?

It would essentially create a one term, term limit.

I like it.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 19, 2017 12:45 PM (eSx+E)

165 That makes zero sense.
.
.
.He is trying to play the Cops are getting assassinated all over the place so we have to be hyper vigilant card, and it is not going to work. You never take your gun out of your holster unless you intend on immediately using deadly force, period.

He is toast.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman

I hope that it doesn't work.
A family in Chicago found out that their daughter who dies in a car accident was disrobed at the side of the road and photographed. Firs they lied about it, and called the family crazy. When it finally went to trial, suddenly it was, "of course we did it, as vital evidence gathered in the nick of time". CSI theather. They got away with it too.

They got away with lying about and defaming the family too.

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 19, 2017 12:45 PM (326rv)

166
The fact that the person would have to spend years and a ton of money to get their stuff back is pre-punishment. If you live in a dem controlled state or municipality, you know damn well this will be used for coercion. Think IRS vs Tea Party.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 19, 2017 12:46 PM (r+sAi)

167 O/T but related to "our side" acting inexplicably:

Establishment Republicans and Democrats are teaming up on Capitol
Hill to bring back legislation that would give amnesty to hundreds of
thousands of young illegal aliens in the United States.

Yes, the bastards who can't kill Obamacare are more than happy to resurrect Obama's DRAM act.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 19, 2017 12:46 PM (NOIQH)

168 "i don't know. seems as if we are on a long march to something. something dark and evil."

::: beep! :::

"You have arrived at your destination."

Posted by: torquewrench at July 19, 2017 12:46 PM (ujwCG)

169 If we seize the FAB's compound in Chappaqua NY I wonder how much we could get? I bet the Booze Cabinet alone is worth a small fortune

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 19, 2017 12:46 PM (SjImc)

170 As I said in my post, one case to SCOTUS which was
AFTER conviction.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 19, 2017 12:44 PM (mpXpK)

As I said in my comment..."more than one."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 19, 2017 12:46 PM (wYseH)

171 Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 19, 2017 12:38 PM (lKyWE

Of course it makes no sense. Most murders make no sense.

Fear and panic have a logic all their own.

Boo! Bang! Bang! Bang!

Posted by: rd at July 19, 2017 12:46 PM (4dz1m)

172 He is trying to play the Cops are getting assassinated all over the place so we have to be hyper vigilant card, and it is not going to work. You never take your gun out of your holster unless you intend on immediately using deadly force, period.

He is toast.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman

And you damn sure have your body cam on.
Unless you are pounding your partner's chicken. Then? No witnesses.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 19, 2017 12:46 PM (G0G8s)

173 asn't Barney Frank up to shenanigans along with Hillary and her foundation?

I would doubt their assets will be siezed
***
Barney was sleeping with someone that one of the big banks promoted for him.

Once the relationship went public, Barney dropped the guy and the bank fired him, IIRC.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 19, 2017 12:46 PM (eSx+E)

174 unbelievable.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at July 19, 2017 12:47 PM (WTSFk)

175 Awesome. Let's expedite justice. If the government stands Hillary, Lerner, Rice and Shinseki against the wall, along with everyone in gitmo, GREAT!

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at July 19, 2017 12:47 PM (xAvrH)

176 If you actually know anything about this issue it makes complete sense.

But you know, lets run with out hair on fire and the liberal version screaming from our mouths.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 19, 2017 12:47 PM (QyTHN)

177 Posted by: rd at July 19, 2017 12:31 PM (4dz1m)

That makes zero sense.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 19, 2017 12:38 PM (lKyWE)

Everyone that ever called in the cops at night and is out wearing pajamas always sneaks up to the cop car and pounds on the roof to wake the occupants up!

Perfectly understandable shoot!

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 12:47 PM (gwPgz)

178 O/T but related to "our side" acting inexplicably:

Establishment Republicans and Democrats are teaming up on Capitol
Hill to bring back legislation that would give amnesty to hundreds of
thousands of young illegal aliens in the United States.

Yes, the bastards who can't kill Obamacare are more than happy to resurrect Obama's DRAM act.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 19, 2017 12:46 PM (NOIQH)

Typical

Throw them all out

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 19, 2017 12:47 PM (SjImc)

179 *waves to all those Democrats who have been screaming about coming together and not being divisive*

You know how you're all talking about working together for the good of the country and putting aside our partisan differences?

*waves again*

Yeah, I think there are a bunch of us over here who are willing to put aside some partisan differences on this issue here.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 19, 2017 12:47 PM (KUaJL)

180 That is an even greater recipe for disaster. Cruising a safe 'hood with gun already drawn. And not seeing the woman in pyjamas until 'blam! blam! blam!'

The math of Justine being shot in the abdomen I think mitigates against anything except she was right up to the window when Noor popped off.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at July 19, 2017 12:47 PM (rNQTc)

181 Somehow Steve the Robot Cop ended up face down in the Mall fountain, dead. That's a shame.

#Fckskynet

Posted by: charleyhorse at July 19, 2017 12:47 PM (+kahX)

182 Why would the MN cops be worried about an ambush. This was a fairly routine call, as these things go

Posted by: Ignoramus at July 19, 2017 12:48 PM (+7/1f)

183 Mr. Trump,

Stay off Twitter this afternoon, get on the horn to Sessions, and correct (i.e. remove) this abusive directive.

Unless you want to start getting your base to turn on you, in which case, do nothing.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 19, 2017 12:48 PM (H8S+R)

184 Okay count me moved into the disappointed with Sessions camp. Doesn't he need to spend more time with his family?

Posted by: blaster at July 19, 2017 12:48 PM (QHIPb)

185 Sessions is a pirate and a brigand and there should be legislation passed TODAY banning this.

There is no, absolutely no, justification for pre-conviction asset forfeiture. None. None at all.

I think ill of Sessions as a human being because of this and it speaks ill of his fundamental character.

Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 12:49 PM (mf5HN)

186 18-1, alright, for s0me reason I had thought he was running a young male brothel out of his home

Posted by: willow at July 19, 2017 12:49 PM (v12G8)

187 Reading the document it looks like they're not expanding it and they're going along with local and state laws. So if your legislature is passing or has passed a law banning this stuff, you're good to go. If not, what are you waiting for?

It actually looks like it's a reinforcement of following the procedures to the letter in order to make sure they aren't hoovering up Denny's house and car because he got caught with a joint.

Thinking about it I think the only thing Sessions could do is to not follow through on any seizures and I'm not sure he can even do that since there's actual legislation in place allowing for it. I think there is anyway. Pretty sure this stuff started under Georgie Porgie the First because of crack.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 19, 2017 12:49 PM (4ErVI)

188 I would rather one Lois Lerner, who expects to live the rest of her life laughing at the rubes, to be shackled and imprisoned than a hundred gangbangers.
========

Ah ha hahaha hahahahaha!!!!

Posted by: Lois Lerner, munching on the finest caviar which she can easily afford with her generous government at July 19, 2017 12:49 PM (vg8iE)

189 First reports were that she was talking to one officer when the other shot her - now it's that she surprised them and was immediately shot?
Something is way off with this.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 19, 2017 12:49 PM (NOIQH)

190 This directive is needed to seize all Clinton Foundation assets?
Posted by: MAGA at July 19, 2017 12:25 PM (Tyk2V)

----

There arent any.

Closed up shop a few weeks ago. You'd think charitable giving in always in vogue.... but since Hillary lost the election, nobody was donating to the Clintons anymore.

Weird.
Posted by: fixerupper

Then they moved all the cash off shore

Posted by: Jean at July 19, 2017 12:49 PM (eqxem)

191 He is trying to play the Cops are getting assassinated all over the place so we have to be hyper vigilant card,
***
I recall the media had a shit fit when a Black Water squad in Iraq responding to one person shooting at them by firing into the crowd he was firing from, calling it a war crime, yada yada.

If you aren't allowed to fire indiscriminately back at someone shooting at you in a war zone I'm thinking that cops aren't allowed to shoot yoga instructors in plain site.

Also, if they got snuck up on like that is there anyway to check if they were blaring the radio in their car?

Posted by: 18-1 at July 19, 2017 12:50 PM (eSx+E)

192 165; it's chicago. it's like mogadishu or haiti, with more graft, corruption, and killing. are you really surprised?

Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 19, 2017 12:50 PM (KP5rU)

193 Not a huge Sessions fan, but can anyone point out the text that supports the headline?

Cause I'm not seeing it. At all.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 12:50 PM (MINbv)

194 Ladies and gentlemen, these confiscation and forfeiture policies are crucial for the continued funding of law enforcement.

Without confiscation and forfeiture, why, we'd be unable to afford to pay for the expensive units which perform confiscation and forfeiture!

I'm sure you can all appreciate the gravity of the situation.

Posted by: Pontification Police Chiefs Everywhere at July 19, 2017 12:50 PM (ujwCG)

195 170 As I said in my comment..."more than one."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 19, 2017 12:46 PM (wYseH)

I have been able to find only one that went SCOTUS. how about you provide a link to all these numerous cases.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 19, 2017 12:50 PM (mpXpK)

196 "He is trying to play the Cops are getting assassinated all over the place so we have to be hyper vigilant card, and it is not going to work. You never take your gun out of your holster unless you intend on immediately using deadly force, period.

He is toast.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman"

Maybe he will claim that he thought she was a dog.

Posted by: Benji Carver at July 19, 2017 12:50 PM (OD2ni)

197 Then they moved all the cash off shore
***
I recall at one point they moved $2B into banks in Qatar. Pretty nice haul for a hack lawyer, no?

Posted by: 18-1 at July 19, 2017 12:50 PM (eSx+E)

198 Perfectly understandable shoot!

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 12:47 PM (gwPgz)

And the cop didn't even shoot her dog, which shows admirable restraint. He should get a medal!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 19, 2017 12:50 PM (wYseH)

199 185 Sessions is a pirate and a brigand and there should be legislation passed TODAY banning this.

There is no, absolutely no, justification for pre-conviction asset forfeiture. None. None at all.

I think ill of Sessions as a human being because of this and it speaks ill of his fundamental character.

Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 12:49 PM (mf5HN)

Did you read the document? If not, would you? I'm not a lawyerin' type and language confuses me. It seemed to me it's limiting it or at least reinforcing guidelines to make sure they're properly followed. It would be great to have a lawyer look at it.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 19, 2017 12:50 PM (4ErVI)

200 Why would the MN cops be worried about an ambush. This was a fairly routine call, as these things go
Posted by: Ignoramus

This is the intersection of the fuckup. If they were concerned, there is no reason to not have working cameras, especially with a drawn weapon.

If not, was the weapon out?

And if she was close enough to strike the car, and he fired multiple rounds, as was reported, only one struck?

I know that most cops are shitty marksmen, and large magazines tempt them to blaze away, but WTF?

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 19, 2017 12:51 PM (326rv)

201 >>for s0me reason I had thought he was running a young male brothel out of his home

Barney Frank's boyfriend was doing that, and IIRC, also growing (maybe selling?) weed, too.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 19, 2017 12:51 PM (NOIQH)

202 Sessions is a pirate and a brigand and there should be legislation passed TODAY banning this.

There is no, absolutely no, justification for pre-conviction asset forfeiture. None. None at all.

I think ill of Sessions as a human being because of this and it speaks ill of his fundamental character.
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 12:49 PM (mf5HN)

Can't you see he's a noble warrior in the War On Drugs!? The Government is always right in whatever tactics and expense are used in this endless War~!

Posted by: Alex #11 at July 19, 2017 12:51 PM (ka13S)

203 aleex, whew I am very dissaponted and wondered if I had read this wrong.

I was hoping trump and sessions would eaken the power of the state and feds over all our lives, This seems to strengthen it.

Posted by: willow at July 19, 2017 12:51 PM (v12G8)

204 Judging from the informed commentary here on this blog of experts, it looks like this is the start of the beginning of the sea change that dooms Trump's presidency. He'll never recover from this. He'll be impeached before 2020.

But it's going to be a long three years of struggle.

Posted by: Lestore Moore at July 19, 2017 12:51 PM (m9X4Y)

205 for pre-conviction asset forfeiture. None."

Where does the document say there is?

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 12:51 PM (MINbv)

206 well that and we have seen no punishment from the last adminstrations malfeasance re to the public and citizen.

Posted by: willow at July 19, 2017 12:52 PM (v12G8)

207
Establishment Republicans and Democrats are teaming up on Capitol
Hill to bring back legislation that would give amnesty to hundreds of
thousands of young illegal aliens in the United States.

Yes, the bastards who can't kill Obamacare are more than happy to resurrect Obama's DRAM act.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 19, 2017 12:46 PM (NOIQH)
=====

Of course. Again, let's cater to a miniscule part of the fucking population because that's how we run the fucking country now, I guess.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at July 19, 2017 12:52 PM (vg8iE)

208
18-1, alright, for s0me reason I had thought he was running a young male brothel out of his home
Posted by: willow at July 19, 2017 12:49 PM (v12G

Fwanky says he was completely unaware about his gay lover running an escort service out of the home they shared.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 19, 2017 12:52 PM (lKyWE)

209 I read somewhere that only part of the Clinton Foundation closed, that there is still some of it open for people to donate cash to. Maybe people are banking on Chelsea now. XD

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at July 19, 2017 12:52 PM (FQKBL)

210 There is an entire program built around this. It has very specific guidelines and requires things like probable cause and othe constitutional protections. It also works to the benefit of people that have had their property stolen.

It you would only know that if you at least read it and had some background.

But you keep burning down the neighborhood. Don't let facts interrupt the attack.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 19, 2017 12:53 PM (QyTHN)

211 I thought local cops weren't supposed to enforce federal law. more calvinball.

Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at July 19, 2017 12:53 PM (nFwvY)

212 Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 19, 2017 12:50 PM (mpXpK)

Leonard v. Texas
U.S. v. James Daniel Good Real Property

There's two. Do the rest of the research on your own.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 19, 2017 12:53 PM (wYseH)

213 Posted by: Lizzy at July 19, 2017 12:49 PM (NOIQH)

Trial balloons until they find the ~~one~~ lie that works best!

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 12:53 PM (gwPgz)

214 I want the body cams on 24/7 while on duty, not just when say a shootout is "going to" happen.

If a guy is going to the bathroom, fine, you can have a few minutes where its turned off, but a big reason I want constant recording is many cops are dickheads and I think if they were being recorded during routine things, they would treat "subjects" a lot better.

Posted by: Maritime at July 19, 2017 12:53 PM (mYJIs)

215 First reports were that she was talking to one officer when the other shot her - now it's that she surprised them and was immediately shot?
Something is way off with this.

Posted by: Lizzy

The revision tends to cover Oficer Derp. The original makes him sound like a snap case.

It could be that the iniital reports were wrong.

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 19, 2017 12:53 PM (326rv)

216
Its almost as if this cop didn't want her to tell some facts about someone. It would make for a good 'Law and Order', although I only saw a few shows a decade ago.

Eh, on second thought its probably already been done a hundred times.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 19, 2017 12:53 PM (r+sAi)

217 for s0me reason I had thought he was running a young male brothel out of his home

Barney Frank's boyfriend was doing that, and IIRC, also growing (maybe selling?) weed, too.
======

That's not all. One time I was over there to pick up....oh, never mind...

Posted by: Shep! at July 19, 2017 12:54 PM (vg8iE)

218 That's not new and it's better than prior versions where in many cases there was no ability to appeal the seizure.

Posted by: setnaffa at July 19, 2017 12:54 PM (iDxq/)

219 I'm pretty sure driving around with an unholstered weapon is against policy even in Mogideshu

Posted by: Jean at July 19, 2017 12:54 PM (eqxem)

220 one article mentioned that protocol said cops should have had their body cams turned on ... since they were going into an active situation.

And yeah, they are looking for people and don't see her till she pounded on their cruiser? And the window was down ... so she didn't say anything? The first report said she was talking with the cop.

The car camera was on? Not pointed at her but surely caught the audio, unless they wiped it, like with a cloth. And the early account I read said there were several witnesses ...

Posted by: illiniwek at July 19, 2017 12:54 PM (HQuBO)

221 Of course. Again, let's cater to a miniscule part of the fucking population because that's how we run the fucking country now, I guess.
Posted by: bicentennialguy

____

Its always the loudest and angriest. And also the ones that will never, ever vote Republican in their lives that our Republican Congress is interested in wooing.

Posted by: Maritime at July 19, 2017 12:55 PM (mYJIs)

222 >>It could be that the iniital reports were wrong.

True. It's a shame officer derp has refused to answer any questions about it, huh?

Posted by: Lizzy at July 19, 2017 12:55 PM (NOIQH)

223 Ok, this is NOT winning.

Posted by: Emmie at July 19, 2017 12:55 PM (ZapPq)

224 Fwanky says he was completely unaware about his gay lover running an escort service out of the home they shared.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 19, 2017 12:52 PM (lKyWE)

well heck, so it's all good then.

Posted by: willow at July 19, 2017 12:55 PM (v12G8)

225 This directive is needed to seize all Clinton Foundation assets?
Posted by: MAGA at July 19, 2017 12:25 PM (Tyk2V)

----

There arent any.

Closed up shop a few weeks ago. You

The FOUNDATION continues.

The GLOBAL INITIATIVE closed.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 19, 2017 12:55 PM (oVJmc)

226
The revision tends to cover Oficer Derp. The original makes him sound like a snap case.

Coming from his lawyer, im not surprised.

Posted by: Jean at July 19, 2017 12:56 PM (eqxem)

227 The FOUNDATION continues.

The GLOBAL INITIATIVE closed.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 19, 2017 12:55 PM (oVJmc)

Hail Hydra

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 19, 2017 12:56 PM (KUaJL)

228 Seems this document is ONLY about when a State Agent, seizes something, but then wants the Feds involved in 'adopting' the seizure, under Federal Law.

It specifically exempts in the last paragraph, Federal Agents, who seize property.

Thus, even is a State has laws against Seizure, Fed Agents can still do it within that State.

So while this does not change the status quo... at all... it keeps what I consider an Unconstitutional system in place... one where the Government steals BILLIONs of dollars in assets, from its citizens.... oh, and then uses it to fund itself...

Posted by: Don Q. at July 19, 2017 12:56 PM (NgKpN)

229 About that MN shooting; both the National Laughingstock and Vox agree; this police shooting means more gun control is needed because the only way to stop cops from shooting civilians is to disarm all civilians.

I am not making this up.

http://tinyurl.com/yc5axzuk

Posted by: V the K at July 19, 2017 12:56 PM (O7MnT)

230 Linda "Sourpuss" Sarsour goes further down the crazy hole.

"Underwear bomber was the #CIA all along. Why did I already know that?! Shame on us - scaring the American people."

And Sally "Queen Kong" Kohn goes with her.

"#IStandWithLinda today & always!
Her every word is being picked apart and contorted.
I know @lsarsour to be a defender of justice FOR ALL!
6:42 AM - 19 Jul 2017"

Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at July 19, 2017 12:56 PM (Nwg0u)

231 Trump is coming out swinging at Obama over Obamacare. Just called him a liar more than once.

This ought to get the left frothing at the mouth.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2017 12:57 PM (/tuJf)

232 a big reason I want constant recording is many cops
are dickheads and I think if they were being recorded during routine
things, they would treat "subjects" a lot better.

Posted by: Maritime at July 19, 2017 12:53 PM (mYJIs)

Bingo.

There should be a button to turn the camera off for a set amount of time, but the default function should be to record.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 19, 2017 12:57 PM (wYseH)

233
Insty has had plenty of links over the last few years of corrupt asset seizure. Just because there are guidelines it does not mean they are followed.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 19, 2017 12:57 PM (r+sAi)

234 76
If you read the document, it looks like the directive is to turn over
seized assets to the Feds - not to encourage more of them. I think they
want to remove the financial incentive for the local police to just grab
stuff, since the police won't get to keep it anyway.

Posted by: Travis at July 19, 2017 12:28 PM (kLG2c)
***
Travis is right - this does not, in any way shape or form, say what the idiot from CBS thinks it says. Travis' summary is correct.In addition the letter makes clear that recently passed rules that clarify and limit this practice by the DOJ (that Sessions put in place) are still to be applied even when "adopting" (read as "taking") those assets which where seized by any state law enforcement. It also does not state anything about states where forfeiture has been made illegal in its language at all - so not sure why that is even mentioned.I give this fake news story and the "outrage" produced by it a factor of 1.2 Kohns.Let me also say that simply because an MSM leftard clapping seal claps does not mean we have to do so too.

Posted by: Publius Redux at July 19, 2017 12:57 PM (Fb9aZ)

235 This isn't the MAGA you're looking for. More along, move along.

Posted by: Strobe at July 19, 2017 12:57 PM (gbWkA)

236 wasn't one of his sodomy pals buttfucking Freddie Mac out of a pile of loot?

Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at July 19, 2017 12:57 PM (nFwvY)

237 But chuckling along with his gay lover in a house banking committee hearing about how they didn't need the mortgage reforms Bush was asking was ok.

Posted by: Jean at July 19, 2017 12:57 PM (eqxem)

238 And the early account I read said there were several witnesses ...

Posted by: illiniwek at July 19, 2017 12:54 PM (HQuBO)

Wonder if they will still be willing to testify under oath?

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 12:57 PM (gwPgz)

239 But.... My money was INNOCENT! It had no intent to be bad!!!!

Posted by: Don Q. at July 19, 2017 12:57 PM (NgKpN)

240 The FOUNDATION continues.
========

What the fuck do you expect us to do, huh? Would you close YOUR fucking bank accounts? I think not!

*shart*

Posted by: Hillary at July 19, 2017 12:58 PM (vg8iE)

241 182 Why would the MN cops be worried about an ambush. This was a fairly routine call, as these things go
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 19, 2017 12:48 PM (+7/1f)

-----------

There are parts of Minneapolis that I will not go into, including the entire downtown entertainment district. Too much crime, too many 20 to 30 year old youths loitering about. Woman got her purse stolen in a parking lot, and stabbed anyway by the undescribed perpetrator.

The neighborhood where the police executed their search of the alley? Upper middle class white liberal heaven. 50th and Wabasha is just north of the suburb of Edina. These people still leave their bikes unlocked in their front yards. This ain't no ghetto.

Posted by: rd at July 19, 2017 12:58 PM (4dz1m)

242 Fuck Jeff Sessions. Trump's worst pick by far. No respect for federalism or the 10th amendment or the constitution in general for that matter, total nanny-stater.

Posted by: thirteen28 at July 19, 2017 12:58 PM (GdJ+p)

243 There is an entire program built around this. It has very specific guidelines and requires things like probable cause and othe constitutional protections. It also works to the benefit of people that have had their property stolen.

It you would only know that if you at least read it and had some background.

But you keep burning down the neighborhood. Don't let facts interrupt the attack.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 19, 2017 12:53 PM (QyTHN)

Bull. Fucking. Shit.

Marcus, you really really really and truly do not want to accuse people on this blog of not having read the source documents on this matter. You truly do not.

For example, I've read the Asset Forfeiture Manual. Have you?

I've been following this topic for decades. Have you?

Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 12:58 PM (mf5HN)

244 204 Judging from the informed commentary here on this blog of experts, it looks like this is the start of the beginning of the sea change that dooms Trump's presidency. He'll never recover from this. He'll be impeached before 2020.

But it's going to be a long three years of struggle.
Posted by: Lestore Moore at July 19, 2017 12:51 PM (m9X4Y)

I completely agree - this is concerning news.

I have incorporated this new data with the other concerning revelation that Drumpf had another super-secret meeting with Putin (HACKOR in Chief) and it doesn't look good for 2020. Here are the upcoming (concerning) polling results:

Trump: (-)69.9%
Hill-dawg: 99.9%
Egg McMuffin: 0.1%

If this trend holds, Trump is going to have an early night in 2020.

Posted by: Davy Veneral at July 19, 2017 12:58 PM (nGsFZ)

245 the only lesson i learned from the minneapolis police shooting is, never, ever call the police for anything. you could get dead. then, liberal assholes will pass the buck until it goes away. justice is now in the hands of god.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 19, 2017 12:58 PM (KP5rU)

246 That's not new and it's better than prior versions where in many cases there was no ability to appeal the seizure."

I also note that this seems to limit the Feds vis a vis the respective states.

After the 3rd reading, it's pretty clear that the reporter is 100 percent wrong. Tell Ace...

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 12:58 PM (MINbv)

247 Something is way off with this.

No shit. This is not how I heard it went down at all. I read she was talking to the officer that was driving through the window when Noor suddenly shot her. Report said other officer was stunned. This story is jacked up.

Posted by: deplorable Jewells45 at July 19, 2017 12:58 PM (zRZaJ)

248 And Sally "Queen Kong" Kohn goes with her.

Sally, honey, please go full on Mohammedan. America would be grateful to see that mug under a niqab.

Posted by: V the K at July 19, 2017 12:58 PM (O7MnT)

249 About that MN shooting; both the National Laughingstock and Vox agree; this police shooting means more gun control is needed because the only way to stop cops from shooting civilians is to disarm all civilians.

I am not making this up.

So, this means that they'll stop shooting me?

Posted by: zombie Lassie at July 19, 2017 12:59 PM (326rv)

250 Wow. Trump is going right after Republican Senators over repeal while they are sitting right there with him.

This is awesome.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2017 12:59 PM (/tuJf)

251 For example, I've read the Asset Forfeiture Manual"

And more, sorry to say. ..

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 12:59 PM (MINbv)

252 There should be a button to turn the camera off for a set amount of time,

Why? Are you denying gays the imagery of cops pissing?

Posted by: Jean at July 19, 2017 12:59 PM (eqxem)

253
Seems to me if you're rolling down an alley afraid of an abush you'd have all your cameras on

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 19, 2017 12:59 PM (lKyWE)

254 90 Anyone want to take bets on if a federal judge in Hawaii is ready to strike down this one?

Anyone? I'll give really good odds.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 19, 2017 12:30 PM (KUaJL)

He'd strike it down nationwide and say asset forfeiture is cool as no as there are no burdensome regulations at all.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 19, 2017 12:59 PM (P/kVC)

255 "Posted by: Publius Redux at July 19, 2017 12:57 PM (Fb9aZ)"

Finally a voice of reason who actually understands the issue

One reason why I hate when Ace does thes dump and run posts is they lack context. Since when do we take CBS News verbatim??

Posted by: Marcus T at July 19, 2017 01:00 PM (QyTHN)

256 IIRC, Barney had one boyfriend who ran a gay brothel out of Barney's DC place.

He got another boyfriend a high-paying job at Fannie Mae even though his prior experience was making fancy pottery. Like many in Congress, Barney ran interference for Fannie and Freddie. After they split, boyfriend went back to pottery.

When it was good, I have a mental image of Barney and boyfriend spinning the pottery wheel like Patrick Swayze and Demi Moore in the movie Ghost.

Posted by: Ignoramus at July 19, 2017 01:00 PM (+7/1f)

257 147 .He is trying to play the Cops are getting assassinated all over the place so we have to be hyper vigilant card, and it is not going to work. You never take your gun out of your holster unless you intend on immediately using deadly force, period.

He is toast.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 19, 2017 12:40 PM (0pcwX)

He doesn't even have to play that card.

All he has to play is the "I'm a Muslim" card, and he's home free.

Posted by: Hikaru at July 19, 2017 01:00 PM (XMDuf)

258 Don't let facts interrupt the attack.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 19, 2017 12:53 PM (QyTHN)

------------------------
Exactly. Everyone should get worked up and draw immediate irrevocable conclusions right now. Specifically the most bizarre interpretation that can be drawn from a CBS News twit should be utilized. There will always be plenty of time later to not learn the actual facts.

Posted by: Undocumented at July 19, 2017 01:00 PM (SsblQ)

259 The weeds out there in the back forty are taunting me.
I'm going to gear up and go uproot those ugly things with the five triangle leaves; the tall ones with the buds on top. They calling to me, can you hear them?

I'm going to burn them with fire. The weeds, burn the weeds. We hates them, ugly weeds.

Posted by: Lestore Moore at July 19, 2017 01:00 PM (m9X4Y)

260 There should be a button to turn the camera off for a set amount of time, but the default function should be to record.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 19, 2017 12:57 PM (wYseH)

And activation of that button should alert dispatch and permanently log time and unit location!

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 01:00 PM (gwPgz)

261 We were promised the finest Russian caviar.
We got Vienna Sausages in ketchup sauce.

Posted by: Under Fire at July 19, 2017 01:00 PM (mcI77)

262 I suppose this is some sort of improvement over the TFG (and Bush) seizure policies, but I haven't read it. Better would be to require a conviction first but I'd even settle for an indictment before 'freezing' any ill-gotten assets (and then there's whole right to a defense, which you can hardly hire if your funds are locked).

It seems to me that Congress could get busy and pass a bill about forfeiture, but hey, vacation 4 of the year beckons.

Things more useful than our current GOP led Congress:

1. Weeds
2. Turds in a punch bowl
3. Bumps on a log
4. Hangovers
5. Hemmorhoids

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 19, 2017 01:00 PM (6jaju)

263 Does anyone really believe that Sessions is acting without the approval of his boss?

So fuck both of em.

Posted by: DaveA at July 19, 2017 01:00 PM (FhXTo)

264 Posted by: Lestore Moore at July 19, 2017 12:27 PM (m9X4Y)
Then you should not comment on shit you do not understand.

This is the SAME FUCKING TRAP ACE FELL INTO IN JANUARY.

HAVE YOU FUCKING PEOPLE LEARNED ****NOTHING*****?

THIS GODDAMN "HOT TAKE" IS FROM ****CBS*****FUCKING*****NEWS***!!!!!

WTF IS AlexTheChic? I need help throwing all the motherfuckers things.

Posted by: The mainstream media can EABOD at July 19, 2017 01:00 PM (CEU4j)

265 Lestore Moore: "...and if the seizure of assets were in violation of federal law will there be prosecutions of those who violated federal law in seizing those assets?"

Of course not. There's The "Oops, our bad" Clause. The State may not be persecuted under State Law. State Law is for the governed.

Nation of Men.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 19, 2017 01:00 PM (H8S+R)

266 Linda "Sourpuss" Sarsour goes further down the crazy hole.

"Underwear bomber was the #CIA all along. Why did I already know that?! Shame on us - scaring the American people."

And Sally "Queen Kong" Kohn goes with her.

"#IStandWithLinda today & always!
Her every word is being picked apart and contorted.
I know @lsarsour to be a defender of justice FOR ALL!
6:42 AM - 19 Jul 2017"
=========

Sally Kohn is a only a feminist like some men claim to be - all to get ass.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at July 19, 2017 01:01 PM (vg8iE)

267 "Linda "Sourpuss" Sarsour goes further down the crazy hole.

"Underwear bomber was the #CIA all along. Why did I already know that?! Shame on us - scaring the American people."

And Sally "Queen Kong" Kohn goes with her."

Fatso Ana Navarro is claiming she never heard of Sarsour, yet marched in that anti-Trump March that Sarsour organized. Fuckin' liar!!

Posted by: Benji Carver at July 19, 2017 01:01 PM (OD2ni)

268 I've been following this topic for decades. Have you?

Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 12:58 PM (mf5HN)

What's really sad is that Marcus is half correct...there are specific guidelines and procedures. But it is still so blatantly unconstitutional that it boggles the mind. It's like the Nazis having specific guidelines and procedures for killing Jews.

Plus...many places ignore those guidelines and just steal shit from tourists and teenagers and anyone who probably won't show up for trial.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 19, 2017 01:02 PM (wYseH)

269 And more, sorry to say. ..
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 12:59 PM (MINbv)

Have you read the Asset Forfeiture Policy (sorry missed a word before) Manual or not?

Yes or no.

Because I have.

Have you? Yes. Or. No.

Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 01:02 PM (mf5HN)

270 Something is way off with this.

No shit. This is not how I heard it went down at all. I read she was talking to the officer that was driving through the window when Noor suddenly shot her. Report said other officer was stunned. This story is jacked up.

Changing the story to fit the narrative?

Posted by: rickb223 at July 19, 2017 01:02 PM (G0G8s)

271 Things more useful than our current GOP led Congress:

Alcohol-free beer.

Posted by: V the K at July 19, 2017 01:02 PM (O7MnT)

272 the only lesson i learned from the minneapolis police shooting is, never, ever call the police for anything. you could get dead. then, liberal assholes will pass the buck until it goes away. justice is now in the hands of god.
Posted by: chavez the hugo

Over thirty years ago, a guy I knew was a cop for the city of Dover, Delaware. He noted that for most of the day, he was left alone in an air conditioned/heated car, got to pull over pretty women, and do only what he got dispatched to do. he said that the worst part was the paper work.

More fear means fewer dispatch calls. Rolling out tape and standing over bodies is far safer and less strenuous than engaging. And the paperwork was the same. Ask the families in Colombine CO.

Posted by: zombie Lassie at July 19, 2017 01:02 PM (326rv)

273 Posted by: Publius Redux at July 19, 2017 12:57 PM (Fb9aZ)

Actually, the Asset Forfeiture Fund kicks money back to the Agency which seized it...

They paper it over so as to support some 'program'... but there is a kickback.

Posted by: Don Q. at July 19, 2017 01:03 PM (NgKpN)

274 "shoot first and ask questions later" is Somali tradition.

So we must accommodate his culture, for our own ultimate enrichment.
And in his home, the white people were the killers, so white people kinda have it coming. And don't forget, you had those Crusades.

Posted by: illiniwek at July 19, 2017 01:03 PM (HQuBO)

275 Trump is coming out swinging at Obama over Obamacare. Just called him a liar more than once.

This ought to get the left frothing at the mouth.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2017 12:57 PM (/tuJf)
............

How dare he insult our coconut sipping king!

Posted by: Obama Voter at July 19, 2017 01:03 PM (HgMAr)

276 And activation of that button should alert dispatch and permanently log time and unit location!

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 01:00 PM (gwPgz)

Oh...good idea!

So, in five minutes we fixed the fvcking problem.

What's the over/under on it getting implemented?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 19, 2017 01:03 PM (wYseH)

277
One think I know for sure, judging from say Rotherham, muslim men totally have respect for the lives and equality of women.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 19, 2017 01:03 PM (r+sAi)

278 Lots of rumors flying around about the Noor shooting, like the woman being pregnant or Noor refusing to talk to authorities, the partner hearing a loud bang before the shooting, etc. Who knows what is going on or what really happened at this point. Too much speculation and too little actual information. What we know looks bad, very bad to me. But we'll see.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 19, 2017 01:03 PM (39g3+)

279 All he has to play is the "I'm a Muslim" card, and he's home free.

Posted by: Hikaru at July 19, 2017 01:00 PM (XMDuf)

Subtle sharia: I'm a muz, and you're not, guidance for rules and regulations!

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 01:04 PM (gwPgz)

280 It's too hat already with me also setting my hair on fire about this yet.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 19, 2017 01:04 PM (iVOAv)

281 I might have a different opinion on asset seizing if I didn't see high level government employees getting off scot free

Posted by: MAGA at July 19, 2017 01:04 PM (zYKzR)

282 ...'m pretty sure driving around with an unholstered weapon is against policy ...

See movie Pulp Fiction.

Posted by: Mudd at July 19, 2017 01:04 PM (cfHE9)

283 Specifically the most bizarre interpretation that can be drawn from a CBS News twit "

Thank goodness we can rely on their news anchors...

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 01:04 PM (MINbv)

284 Their assets! Seize them! Seize them!

Posted by: The Wicked Witch of the West at July 19, 2017 01:04 PM (XoldI)

285 280-hot not hat

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 19, 2017 01:04 PM (iVOAv)

286 212 Leonard v. Texas
Petition for certiorari denied on March 6, 2017

They refused that case.

U.S. v. James Daniel Good Real Property

That is not the same thing we are talking about here. The cops found drugs on his property and he pled guilty in court. The property was seized AFTER conviction. It appear the court did send it back though because they waited years to seize the property and then provided no notice of seizure prior to taking it which was some kind of violation of the law.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 19, 2017 01:05 PM (mpXpK)

287 "The Justine Damond case just smells of cop incompetence."

It smells of sudden Jihadi Syndrome.

What kind of fucktards give a muslim refugee a badge and a gun?

The irony of all of this is that the Somali refugee with a gun and a badge killed a anti-American, gun-hating, Australian liberal woman in Minnesota. No doubt this woman was probably all pro-refugee.

How bizarre is that?

Posted by: Fuq the Media at July 19, 2017 01:05 PM (Vlmpk)

288 "Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 12:58 PM (mf5HN)"

You got a point specific to this issue counselor? Something substantive about how the change in this program is somehow unconstitutional or inconsistent with recent rulings?

Fucking make it.

Most of the people spouting off shit about how Sessions should be lynched for this have zero clue about he civil asset forfeiture process he's describing. Don't ascribe your personal qualifications to those people.

Read some of the baseless comments and go look at the Twitter feed. Then tell me how those points of view are somehow legally contextual or even defensible.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 19, 2017 01:05 PM (QyTHN)

289 What makes anybody think civil asset forfeiture in unconstitutional ?

Every case in the last 20 years that got to the SCOTUS has held that the practice is constitutional.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at July 19, 2017 01:05 PM (I6iFS)

290
This could be an effort by the feds to go after grow operations in states where pot has been legalized

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 19, 2017 01:05 PM (lKyWE)

291 What's the over/under on it getting implemented?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 19, 2017 01:03 PM (wYseH)

This would be so easy to implement given the state of the art with video cams and communications, but as the Frogs would say:

"It is to laugh!"

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 19, 2017 01:06 PM (gwPgz)

292 Things more useful than our current GOP led Congress:

1. Weeds
2. Turds in a punch bowl
3. Bumps on a log
4. Hangovers
5. Hemmorhoids
Posted by: GnuBreed at July 19, 2017 01:00 PM (6jaju)

Male nipples
Your wife's 9th pair of heels
The "do not remove" tag on mattresses
The question "are you a cop?" while soliciting a prostitute
The "are you over 18?" button on adult websites
The NY Times layers and layers of fact checking
A degree in Gender Studies from Everett University

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 19, 2017 01:06 PM (KUaJL)

293 I am against uncontrolled civil forteitures especially before any convictions, but this is not the biggest story of the year. There really are bigger fish to fry. And I am not about to throw the baby out with bath water

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 19, 2017 01:06 PM (SjImc)

294 First reports were that she was talking to one officer when the other
shot her - now it's that she surprised them and was immediately shot?
***
[Yoga Instructor] Hey Mr Officer in the driver's seat, the guy I saw assaulting someone looks just like that cop in the passenger's seat.

[Cop in the Driver's seat] Hmm that's odd he's been on vacation all week

[Cop in the Passenger's seat] She's coming right at us with an assault phone BANG BANG BANG

Posted by: 18-1 at July 19, 2017 01:06 PM (eSx+E)

295 Fatso Ana Navarro is claiming she never heard of Sarsour, yet marched in that anti-Trump March that Sarsour organized. Fuckin' liar!!
=======

If....IF...I were a woman, I may be forced to lie in wait for this Navarro bitch and beat the ever-loving shit out of her.

She's a nasty piece of work.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at July 19, 2017 01:06 PM (vg8iE)

296 What's really sad is that Marcus is half correct...there are specific guidelines and procedures. But it is still so blatantly unconstitutional that it boggles the mind. It's like the Nazis having specific guidelines and procedures for killing Jews.

Plus...many places ignore those guidelines and just steal shit from tourists and teenagers and anyone who probably won't show up for trial.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 19, 2017 01:02 PM (wYseH)

I think that is the source of the massive disconnect on the two sides here.

There are those who read that letter and see oh hey they're just enforcing the policy that's a good thing!

Then there are those of us who read that letter and lose our minds because the policy itself is fundamentally wrong. It is theft, pure and simple. So saying, hey, we're going to carefully apply the rules on how we steal stuff is not precisely going to be met with a kind eye.

Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 01:07 PM (mf5HN)

297 The neighborhood where the police executed their search of the alley? Upper middle class white liberal heaven. 50th and Wabasha is just north of the suburb of Edina. These people still leave their bikes unlocked in their front yards. This ain't no ghetto.

Posted by: rd at July 19, 2017 12:58 PM (4dz1m)

And that's where they assigned the Somali? Very surprising since that sort of vibrancy is usually reserved for Bad White Areas.

Is the mayor a Fuck Whitey type?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 19, 2017 01:07 PM (4ErVI)

298 Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 12:58 PM (mf5HN)

**puts head down and shields up**

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 19, 2017 01:07 PM (X6fMO)

299 The Somali officer that shot the Yoda Instructor

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The dog downward is.

Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at July 19, 2017 01:07 PM (Nwg0u)

300 [I}What makes anybody think civil asset forfeiture in unconstitutional ?

Every case in the last 20 years that got to the SCOTUS has held that the practice is constitutional.

And the courts never get anything wrong.

Posted by: Plessy v Ferguson at July 19, 2017 01:07 PM (O7MnT)

301 What kind of fucktards give a muslim refugee a badge and a gun?

Actually, I've given lots of Muslims guns - in Somalia.

Posted by: Jean at July 19, 2017 01:07 PM (eqxem)

302 Trump is coming out swinging at Obama over Obamacare. Just called him a liar more than once.

This ought to get the left frothing at the mouth.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2017 12:57 PM (/tuJf)
............

How dare he insult our coconut sipping king!
Posted by: Obama Voter

I know my balls are huge, but they're not that huge.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 19, 2017 01:07 PM (G0G8s)

303 287 What kind of fucktards give a muslim refugee a badge and a gun?

People who want to see Muslims kill their enemies for them.

Posted by: Hikaru at July 19, 2017 01:08 PM (XMDuf)

304 Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 19, 2017 01:05 PM (mpXpK)

Read the whole thing and then get back to me.

And check for other cases.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 19, 2017 01:08 PM (wYseH)

305 if you are going off the deep end about shit reported by any mainstream media without digging up the truth yourself, you may be doing it wrong. the media have been suckers of cock since i was old enough to turn on the tv by myself. but, first i had to stoke up the steam generator for electricity. we didn't even have a lawn then. just coal cinders scattered about.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 19, 2017 01:08 PM (KP5rU)

306 Is the mayor a Fuck Whitey type?

Gave her state-of-the-city address from inside a Mosque. You tell me.

Posted by: V the K at July 19, 2017 01:08 PM (O7MnT)

307 What kind of fucktards give a muslim refugee a badge and a gun?
======

White liberals carrying out genocide on whites.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at July 19, 2017 01:08 PM (vg8iE)

308 Lots of rumors flying around about the Noor shooting, like the woman being pregnant or Noor refusing to talk to authorities, the partner hearing a loud bang before the shooting, etc. Who knows what is going on or what really happened at this point. Too much speculation and too little actual information. What we know looks bad, very bad to me. But we'll see.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

Problem: As with the Diallo shooting, the only witnesses to the actual shooting and the time before are the shooter and his partner. We've been told that some witnesses saw the aftermath.

We know that the mayor and the city have a vested interest in this being ignored or at least, minimized.

Any evidence is in the possession of the agency that shot her. There is some other agency conducting an investigation, but any evidence they have would come through...you guessed it; the agency that shot her.

Posted by: zombie Lassie at July 19, 2017 01:08 PM (326rv)

309 So dumbass Sessions recuses himself from the Russia investigation, allowing that witch hunt to go off the rails. Now this. What a major disappointment.

Posted by: gm at July 19, 2017 01:08 PM (5qPsi)

310 but this is not the biggest story of the day"

There, FIFY.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 01:09 PM (MINbv)

311 253
Seems to me if you're rolling down an alley afraid of an abush you'd have all your cameras on
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 19, 2017 12:59 PM (lKyWE)

There you go using your racist patriarchal western deplorable male logic again!

Posted by: rd at July 19, 2017 01:09 PM (4dz1m)

312 or the IRS seizing a wedding shop and auctioning off their goods in 4 hours (probably to cronies) in violation of the public notice requirements by calling wedding dresses perishable goods. also with local police help (wtf?). whatever it takes.

Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at July 19, 2017 01:09 PM (nFwvY)

313 Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 12:58 PM (mf5HN)

You know what I've learned in the last twenty years ? Well ... not a Hell of a lot. But I have learned this ...

... A whole lot of fucking people are totes down with their political party bending or breaking the Constitution - but they'll cry like a rat eating onions when the other party does it.

I promise you - if this document had been released by Eric Holder, most of the people defending it would be howling.

But ... since Team Pachyderm is in charge ... it's cool. And that's all there is to it.

Not near as much daylight between Dems and Repubs as most here like to think.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 19, 2017 01:10 PM (GoNER)

314 297: short answer yes. long answer, you fuckin a right.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 19, 2017 01:10 PM (KP5rU)

315 Fuck they are challenging to many calls in baseball.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 19, 2017 01:10 PM (SjImc)

316 Know I'm jumping in late here, but, um, WTSF?

Of all PDJT's cabinet appointments Sessions has been, by far, the biggest disappointment for me. Susan Rice still walks free. Hillary's email server is still off-limits. And on and on.

Seriously, WTSF?

Posted by: DocJ at July 19, 2017 01:10 PM (7bkOX)

317 Time to give Sessions the pink slip.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at July 19, 2017 01:11 PM (rJUlF)

318 Most of the people spouting off shit about how Sessions should be lynched for this have zero clue about he civil asset forfeiture process he's describing.

One, it's not Sessions it's Deborah Connor. (Surely with Sessions' blessing, I'm just being a dick).

Three, we have to pull the strands apart here. There's one about whether these new guidelines say what the tweet said they say (they don't).

There's another about how civil asset forfeiture is immoral, un-American, and fattening. That strand does not rely on whether this policy is in compliance with existing law. That one says fuck this it's wrong and we shouldn't be doing it.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 19, 2017 01:11 PM (gIRsn)

319 Every case in the last 20 years that got to the SCOTUS has held that the practice is constitutional.

And the courts never get anything wrong.

Word

Posted by: 40M dead babies at July 19, 2017 01:11 PM (eqxem)

320 This could be an effort by the feds to go after grow operations in states where pot has been legalized

They don't need another "effort". Pot is and has been illegal at the federal level. Nothing has changed.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 19, 2017 01:11 PM (G0G8s)

321 "Lots of rumors flying around about the Noor shooting"

One thing that's not a rumor is that the cop who ventilated the chick in pajamas, while he was still a rookie, racked up no fewer than three formal complaints for misconduct, including one where the city appears to have paid out to keep the case quiet.

At most departments, if a new hire were to show such signs of impending trouble, they would be unsubtly urged to consider a career elsewhere. But this Somali Muslim rookie was apparently a special favorite of the SJW mayor.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 19, 2017 01:11 PM (ujwCG)

322 In November 2015, The Washington Post reported that "law enforcement officers took more property from American citizens than burglars did" in 2014.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at July 19, 2017 01:11 PM (QGTBZ)

323 The way I read the memo it's that the Feds can seize from the State forfeiture assets already legally taken by the States.

Now off to read the comments.

Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 01:12 PM (bN6TL)

324 All of you, Ace included, have besmirched my name with scurrilous lies and innuendo.

Pistols at dawn!

Posted by: Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III at July 19, 2017 01:12 PM (+7/1f)

325 So saying, hey, we're going to carefully apply the rules on how we steal stuff is not precisely going to be met with a kind eye.

Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 01:07 PM (mf5HN)

And unfortunately the laws are written fairly well, so the challenges that have reached SCOTUS were weak.

But I know that Justice Thomas does not like this shit, so hopefully we will get a robust challenge in the near future.

From a recent case, "Whether this Court's treatment of the broad modern forfeiture practice can be justified by the narrow historical one is certainly worthy of consideration in greater detail,"

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 19, 2017 01:12 PM (wYseH)

326 since Team Pachyderm is in charge ... it's cool. "

No, the issue is that a CBS reporter f'd up.

Again.

By pointing that out, I'm apparently a fan of seizures

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 01:12 PM (MINbv)

327 304 Read the whole thing and then get back to me.

And check for other cases.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 19, 2017 01:08 PM (wYseH)

I did read the "whole thang".

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 19, 2017 01:13 PM (mpXpK)

328 Is it too early for Confucius jokes?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 19, 2017 01:13 PM (MduLE)

329 Okay. I see people whipping out dicks and measuring them so it's time to go pretend to work. Ace, time for a new thread.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at July 19, 2017 01:13 PM (RD7QR)

330
We know that the mayor and the city have a vested interest in this being ignored or at least, minimized.

I don't think that'll happen .The Aussie P.M. is now asking for answers

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 19, 2017 01:13 PM (lKyWE)

331 Never mind ...

Posted by: Emily Litella at July 19, 2017 01:13 PM (+7/1f)

332 I guess this is better than being shot fucking dead thru a police cruiser door for reporting a crime, but not by much.

Posted by: Fritz at July 19, 2017 01:13 PM (eLttb)

333 Trump is a one and done.
Maybe the GOP house as well.
Certainly the Senate.

Posted by: navybrat at July 19, 2017 01:13 PM (w7KSn)

334 >>One think I know for sure, judging from say Rotherham, muslim men totally have respect for the lives and equality of women.

Now that you mention it, have you seen the other Somali cop story out of Minneapolis? Somali man caught in the act of raping a drunk college student, her friends call police. Somali cop lets the guy go...(someone posted link yesterday).

Posted by: Lizzy at July 19, 2017 01:13 PM (NOIQH)

335 289 What makes anybody think civil asset forfeiture in unconstitutional ?

Every case in the last 20 years that got to the SCOTUS has held that the practice is constitutional.
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at July 19, 2017 01:05 PM (I6iFS)

Yup... and Obamacare is a Tax...

And growing grain to feed your own damn chickens, is INTERSTATE Commerce.

And you have such a right to privacy, that you can kill your unborn child... but have no right to privacy in your person and papers, if the Government does not wish you to have it... (note, they have ALL your financial records... every... damn... one...)

Posted by: Don Q. at July 19, 2017 01:13 PM (NgKpN)

336 On the Noor shooting, my understanding is that the cameras run on a 30 second loop, so if you turn on the camera, it captures the previous 30 seconds. Seems to me that since neither officer turned on his camera after the shoot, they are essentially admitting guilt.

Posted by: gm at July 19, 2017 01:14 PM (5qPsi)

337 We were all promised Wagyu Kobe Beef steaks.

We got a White Castle burger.

Posted by: Under Fire at July 19, 2017 01:14 PM (mcI77)

338 227 The FOUNDATION continues.

The GLOBAL INITIATIVE closed.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 19, 2017 12:55 PM (oVJmc)

+++

Opened. Closed. Whatever it is, Bill is in Hawaii having his pics taken while enjoying the golf courses.
At least he has his walking around money.

Posted by: washrivergal at July 19, 2017 01:14 PM (2+gSO)

339 >>One, it's not Sessions it's Deborah Connor. (Surely with Sessions' blessing, I'm just being a dick).

And Trump's. Seriously, does nobody remember him speaking very strongly in support of Civil Asset Forfeiture early this year? It caused great consternation and even tweeting.

I can understand people disagreeing with this law, I'd like to see it scaled back, but this should not surprise anyone who has been paying attention.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2017 01:14 PM (/tuJf)

340 "323 Another unforced error.

Posted by: Bill Wynn"

Hey there Billy Boy. How was the weekend at David Brock's sex dungeon in Rehoboth Beach? Lots of early nights?

Posted by: Benji Carver at July 19, 2017 01:14 PM (OD2ni)

341 331 I don't think that'll happen .The Aussie P.M. is now asking for answers

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 19, 2017 01:13 PM (lKyWE)

Sadly, The only answer she's going to get is "Allahu Akbar, b****!".

Posted by: Hikaru at July 19, 2017 01:14 PM (XMDuf)

342 And that's where they assigned the Somali? Very surprising since that sort of vibrancy is usually reserved for Bad White Areas.

Saturday night shift. Noor had two years on the job. Harrity, the driver had ONE year on the job. I guess all the experienced cops were assigned to the downtown and more vibrant areas of the city, including the Somali Community in Cedar Riverside.

Posted by: rd at July 19, 2017 01:14 PM (4dz1m)

343 . I see people whipping out dicks and measuring

That's why they need to turn the cameras off. Don't want the public measuring their dicks

Posted by: 40M dead babies at July 19, 2017 01:15 PM (eqxem)

344 "Lots of rumors flying around about the Noor shooting"

One thing that's not a rumor is that the cop who ventilated the chick in pajamas, while he was still a rookie, racked up no fewer than three formal complaints for misconduct, including one where the city appears to have paid out to keep the case quiet.

At most departments, if a new hire were to show such signs of impending trouble, they would be unsubtly urged to consider a career elsewhere. But this Somali Muslim rookie was apparently a special favorite of the SJW mayor.
Posted by: torquewrench

This is all going to come down to what the partner says.

My prediction?

There will be more delays, stonewalling and weasel words, and the partner's "account" will be ambiguous enough to introduce reasonable doubt.

Posted by: zombie Lassie at July 19, 2017 01:15 PM (326rv)

345 >>>On the Noor shooting, my understanding is that the cameras run on a 30 second loop, so if you turn on the camera, it captures the previous 30 seconds. Seems to me that since neither officer turned on his camera after the shoot, they are essentially admitting guilt.

The cameras are time machines?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 19, 2017 01:15 PM (MduLE)

346 And the mayor rushed right out to play the deflection game.

Look squirrel over there!

Whatever you do don't look at me, the fucktard who gave a muslim Somali refugee a gun and a badge.

She should be charged right along side the muzzie cop.

Posted by: Fuq the Media at July 19, 2017 01:15 PM (Vlmpk)

347 Posted by: Bill Wynn at July 19, 2017 01:12 PM (I7I0v)

Thanks be to the Flying Spaghetti Monster that President Obama nor his officials ever made any errors-forced on unforced.

Posted by: Mary Cloggensteiin's brother Irving at July 19, 2017 01:15 PM (iVOAv)

348 You want full ObamaCare repeal
You'd settle for tax reform
You'll get asset forfeiture

Posted by: Mega at July 19, 2017 01:15 PM (ILZ2M)

349 330,
Agreed. I'm too old and tired to explain.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 19, 2017 01:15 PM (MINbv)

350 Hey there Billy Boy. How was the weekend at David Brock's sex dungeon in Rehoboth Beach?

Posted by: Benji Carver at July 19, 2017 01:14 PM (OD2ni)

That's not the original troll, Bill Wynn, that is a banned commenter who doesn't get that he is no longer welcome here.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 19, 2017 01:16 PM (wYseH)

351 I don't see how "even in states where it's illegal" has any meaning for federal agents. States can't make laws restricting what the feds do in that state.

I agree with (nearly) everyone in that this is a stupid idea that's been much abused over the years.

When I lived in the Santa Barbara area there was a guy who had this multi-acre, multi million dollar property on which he was growing five pot plants for personal use. The cops did this huge raid, in which the unarmed owner was killed, because the rules at that time said they could seize the property if he was using it for a drug business.

Posted by: Ace's liver at July 19, 2017 01:17 PM (Xuv2G)

352 bill wynn is here and we're having a dick measuring contest? fuck it, i got shit to do. maybe tonite or something.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 19, 2017 01:17 PM (KP5rU)

353 According to the cops lawyer, he came to the US at 'an early age.'

Noor holds a degree in business administration, management and economics from Augsburg College. Before joining the department, he worked in commercial and residential property management in Minneapolis and St. Louis, and was general manager of a hotel in Eden Prairie.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ybzfee5z

Everyone spouting about him like he's a loincloth wearing dirka-dirka-speaking extra from a Tarzan movie need to get a grip.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 19, 2017 01:17 PM (oVJmc)

354 I gotta go get ready to go see the lawyer. BBL

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 19, 2017 01:17 PM (mpXpK)

355 If you take a gander at what the press Down Under are saying about this, it's wall to wall hysteria. OMG AMERICAN KILLER COPS ELEVENTY. THEY MURDERED HER FOR SADISTIC KICKS.

None of them mention that the cop, singular, who shot this Aussie woman was himself an import. And a Muslim.

You know, just like the thousands of Muslim "refugees" on Christmas Island, the ones Australia was visibly reluctant to take in, and who Obama then selflessly volunteered to instead have brought to America and dumped here, a deal to which the Aussies immediately agreed.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 19, 2017 01:17 PM (ujwCG)

356 From Drudge: OJ Parole in jeopardy after he was caught fapping in his cell. Who knew there was a rule against that?

https://tinyurl.com/y7aruwxl

Posted by: Toad-O at July 19, 2017 01:18 PM (cct0t)

357 >>>The cameras are time machines?
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 19, 2017 01:15 PM (MduLE)>>>

No. Even in the "off" position, they are capturing. If you turn it "on," it keeps the last 30 seconds. If not, it doesn't.

Posted by: gm at July 19, 2017 01:19 PM (5qPsi)

358 The Somali officer that shot the Yoda Instructor in Minneapolis last Saturday night had his gun unholstered and in his lap when they were driving down the alley. They were afraid of an ambush. She walked up to their SUV and pounded on the roof of the SUV to get their attention. She did.

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Reconnaissance by fire.

Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at July 19, 2017 01:19 PM (Nwg0u)

359 We were promised a big glorious border wall.
We got 18 miles of split rail fence.

Posted by: Under Fire at July 19, 2017 01:19 PM (mcI77)

360
They don't need another "effort". Pot is and has been illegal at the federal level. Nothing has changed.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 19, 2017 01:11 PM (G0G8s)

Yes but something has change grow operations are now out in the open operating legally within the states were recreational pot is now legal.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at July 19, 2017 01:19 PM (lKyWE)

361 The idea of a universal basic income -- monthly cash payments from the government to every individual, working or not, with no strings attached -- is gaining traction, thanks in part to endorsements from Silicon Valley celebs, who intend to pay for it out of their personal bank accounts.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at July 19, 2017 01:19 PM (I/obm)

362
But this Somali Muslim rookie was apparently a special favorite of the SJW mayor.
Posted by: torquewrench

Beware of Islamophobia!

http://tinyurl.com/y8taxlgb

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 19, 2017 01:19 PM (IqV8l)

363 353 Everyone spouting about him like he's a loincloth wearing dirka-dirka-speaking extra from a Tarzan movie need to get a grip.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 19, 2017 01:17 PM (oVJmc)

Sudden Jihadi Syndrome can infect ANY Muslim.

Posted by: Hikaru at July 19, 2017 01:19 PM (XMDuf)

364 There will be more delays, stonewalling and weasel words, and the partner's "account" will be ambiguous enough to introduce reasonable doubt.

Posted by: zombie Lassie at July 19, 2017 01:15 PM (326rv)

Maybe, but this chick was one of the Cloud People (or aspiring to be) and that might introduce an element of uncertainty into the whole thing. Those saints aren't supposed to be a target of this type of activity.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 19, 2017 01:19 PM (4ErVI)

365 325 So saying, hey, we're going to carefully apply the rules on how we steal stuff is not precisely going to be met with a kind eye.

Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 01:07 PM (mf5HN)

And unfortunately the laws are written fairly well, so the challenges that have reached SCOTUS were weak.

But I know that Justice Thomas does not like this shit, so hopefully we will get a robust challenge in the near future.

From a recent case, "Whether this Court's treatment of the broad modern forfeiture practice can be justified by the narrow historical one is certainly worthy of consideration in greater detail,"

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The black man knows all about Whitey with a badge stealin' shit.

Posted by: True? at July 19, 2017 01:19 PM (4dz1m)

366 Yeah I'm done here today.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 19, 2017 01:20 PM (QyTHN)

367 this is why I support a bag limit for cops. they'll always find a way to make it a good shoot.

Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at July 19, 2017 01:20 PM (nFwvY)

368 You got a point specific to this issue counselor? Something substantive about how the change in this program is somehow unconstitutional or inconsistent with recent rulings?

Fucking make it.

Most of the people spouting off shit about how Sessions should be lynched for this have zero clue about he civil asset forfeiture process he's describing.

Read some of the baseless comments and go look at the Twitter feed. Then tell me how those points of view are somehow legally contextual or even defensible.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 19, 2017 01:05 PM (QyTHN)

My point specific to the issue is that seizure of property by the government on the civil side is unconstitutional and the precedents saying otherwise are fundamentally incorrect. Thus, any expansion of CAF, particularly by the DOJ, is inherently flawed. There is no set of pre-conviction procedures that can overcome that.

That is my point specific to this, as is clear.

Did you or did you not type the following statement?

It you would only know that if you at least read it and had some background.

I have read it. I do have the background on it.

Do not go subscribing a lack of knowledge and accusations of running around with your hair on fire to those who find this abominable.

I find your replies on this topic to be utterly indefensible. Now, mind you, that's because I find pre-conviction forfeiture to be a non-defensible position. That being said, the sniffing oh you just don't know what you're talking about followed by the oh I didn't mean you when hammered by those of us who do know what we are talking about is not a good look.

I repeat my question, have you read the Asset Forfeiture Policy Manual? Yes or no. Because you were the one who threw out there that if only people read it and had some background. You were the one who presumed those attacking this did not.

Answer the question. Have you read it? Yes. Or. No.

Oh and the Caswells say hi.

Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 01:20 PM (mf5HN)

369 i don't know. seems as if we are on a long march to something. something dark and evil. i could be wrong though.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 19, 2017 12:42 PM (KP5rU)

I hear ya. But it's not a march so much as it is an amusement park house of horrors. We comfortably sit in a slow moving car and become more and more concerned about what we see.
But...
We're assured this is just a ride, don't believe your lying eyes, and at any rate you're comfortably sitting so there's that.

The only thing keeping this country from exploding into violence over myriad issues is our level of comfort.
A long march would be not comfortable.

my .02 (which, plus a Nickle would be worth a nickle)

Posted by: OneEyedJack at July 19, 2017 01:20 PM (z79tQ)

370 Everyone spouting about him like he's a loincloth wearing dirka-dirka-speaking extra from a Tarzan movie need to get a grip.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles

He's more likely a snap case who decided to chuck all that to become a cop.

In the process, he got the assorted PC paludits, a divorce and no less than three complaints in two years.

That absurdiam argument might be funny if it weren't for the fact that rapists in Europe are getting a pas right now for exactly that reason; their cultures are so different that they shouldn't be held accountable. I'm pretty sure that the ten year old boy who was raped and who required surgery isn't laughing.

Posted by: zombie Lassie at July 19, 2017 01:21 PM (326rv)

371 Trump is a one and done.

Maybe the GOP house as well.

Certainly the Senate.
Yup
Early night

Posted by: navybrat at July 19, 2017 01:13 PM (w7KSn)

Posted by: MAC SOG at July 19, 2017 01:21 PM (QPdNE)

372 This makes Rand Paul have to fight on two fronts: repealing O'care and stopping civil forfeiture. His Twitter account is staying on O'care.

Posted by: m at July 19, 2017 01:22 PM (LRfkc)

373 Civil Forfeiture doesn't happen to politicians. It needs to. I'm thinking a bunch of people in the Senate, the House and the Exec branch have overseas accounts or import/export companies and that is a sure tipoff to drug dealing. Ask any cop. Better seize their USA houses, cars, bank accounts, etc. just in case.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at July 19, 2017 01:22 PM (B9t7n)

374 From Drudge: OJ Parole in jeopardy after he was caught fapping in his cell

Thru the charging port?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 19, 2017 01:22 PM (SjImc)

375 The Institute for Justice, which fights civil asset forfeiture, is skeptical of these "safeguards" for property owners, saying they rely "primarily on self-policing than judicial oversight," and "most amount to nothing more than a pledge to be more careful."

I have to worry as much about the govt as random thieves when traveling with cash? Sad! The forefathers must be rolling.

Posted by: venus velvet at July 19, 2017 01:22 PM (g94P/)

376 I read the Evan Sayet article linked earlier.
It's good. Nice clarity about why Trump matters.

He's the Anti-Barry in many, many ways.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 19, 2017 01:23 PM (3OIiX)

377 Second sentence of the first paragraph.

The stuff needs to have been taken legally by the specific state.

Not sure I like it, but not sure this is as egregious as first reported.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at July 19, 2017 01:23 PM (8iiMU)

378 Yes but something has change grow operations are now out in the open operating legally within the states were recreational pot is now legal.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic

Feds just need to grow a spine, roll in, fuck everyone up, and charge them in federal court.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 19, 2017 01:23 PM (G0G8s)

379 When I lived in the Santa Barbara area there was a guy who had this multi-acre, multi million dollar property on which he was growing five pot plants for personal use. The cops did this huge raid, in which the unarmed owner was killed, because the rules at that time said they could seize the property if he was using it for a drug business.
Posted by: Ace's liver at July 19, 2017 01:17 PM (Xuv2G)

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And today it is perfectly legal.

But he is still dead.

Posted by: rd at July 19, 2017 01:23 PM (4dz1m)

380 351 I don't see how "even in states where it's illegal" has any meaning for federal agents. States can't make laws restricting what the feds do in that state.

I agree with (nearly) everyone in that this is a stupid idea that's been much abused over the years.

When I lived in the Santa Barbara area there was a guy who had this multi-acre, multi million dollar property on which he was growing five pot plants for personal use. The cops did this huge raid, in which the unarmed owner was killed, because the rules at that time said they could seize the property if he was using it for a drug business.
Posted by: Ace's liver at July 19, 2017 01:17 PM (Xuv2G)

I feel so much safer knowing that wannabe druglord is dead and those pot plants have been secured by the Federales. Knowing dope fiends everywhere will be delayed by .0000001 seconds in flipping on Pineapple Express and enjoying the vile Double-Triple Crunchwrap Supreme.

Posted by: The Deplorable Mr. Trumpkin at July 19, 2017 01:24 PM (wwd4n)

381 I knew Trump would disappoint me, but this is not an issue I had in mind. This is outrageous. I'm trying to think of Few things are more un-American than civil asset forfeiture.

Posted by: holygoat at July 19, 2017 01:24 PM (iawDR)

382 >>>No. Even in the "off" position, they are capturing. If you turn it "on," it keeps the last 30 seconds. If not, it doesn't.

Isn't that only for Taser cameras operating in "buffer" mode?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 19, 2017 01:24 PM (MduLE)

383 Everyone spouting about him like he's a loincloth wearing dirka-dirka-speaking extra from a Tarzan movie need to get a grip.

==============

Second generation British born muslims are, get this, even bigger jihadis than their jihadi refugee ingrate parents.

Posted by: Fuq the Media at July 19, 2017 01:25 PM (Vlmpk)

384 373 Civil Forfeiture doesn't happen to politicians. It needs to. I'm thinking a bunch of people in the Senate, the House and the Exec branch have overseas accounts or import/export companies and that is a sure tipoff to drug dealing. Ask any cop. Better seize their USA houses, cars, bank accounts, etc. just in case.
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at July 19, 2017 01:22 PM (B9t7n)

Find ONE illegal campaign contribution.... taints the whole Campaign fund...

Posted by: Don Q. at July 19, 2017 01:25 PM (NgKpN)

385 What do you think of me now, bitchez?

All those "sleeping jokes"?

Yeah, how's my ass taste now that I show you the important stuff I've been working on night and day.

Don't like it?

I'll have your assets seized. And I don't even have to charge you with anything!!!! Ha-HA!!!

Posted by: Jeff Sessions at July 19, 2017 01:25 PM (NyJwR)

386 Not sure I like it, but not sure this is as egregious as first reported.

Significantly, CBS is engaged in a hearty and filling lie. Fake News, Hungry Man version.

Posted by: Sporkatus at July 19, 2017 01:25 PM (eXSOZ)

387 Yeah I'm done here today.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 19, 2017 01:20 PM (QyTHN)

Don't touch that dialATC is preparing a donkey bar be cue

Posted by: MAC SOG at July 19, 2017 01:25 PM (QPdNE)

388 357 >>>The cameras are time machines?
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 19, 2017 01:15 PM (MduLE)>>>

No. Even in the "off" position, they are capturing. If you turn it "on," it keeps the last 30 seconds. If not, it doesn't.
Posted by: gm at July 19, 2017 01:19 PM (5qPsi)

Thirty seconds seems like an awfully small window. There's no reason it can't be something like three hours.

Posted by: Ace's liver at July 19, 2017 01:26 PM (Xuv2G)

389 I hate when I edit a comment and forget to remove half a sentence before posting it...

Posted by: holygoat at July 19, 2017 01:26 PM (iawDR)

390 that the cameras run on a 30 second loop, so if you turn on the camera,
it captures the previous 30 seconds. Seems to me that since neither
officer turned on his camera after the shoot, they are essentially
admitting guilt.

The cameras are time machines?

The cameras are always on. There's 30 seconds worth of video in the camera buffer. When you turn "recording" on it includes the previous 30 seconds in the camera buffer.

Posted by: DaveA at July 19, 2017 01:26 PM (FhXTo)

391 From Drudge: OJ Parole in jeopardy after he was caught fapping in his cell

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If the meat is beat you must repeat.

Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at July 19, 2017 01:26 PM (Nwg0u)

392 381 I knew Trump would disappoint me, but this is not an issue I had in mind. This is outrageous. I'm trying to think of Few things are more un-American than civil asset forfeiture.
Posted by: holygoat at July 19, 2017 01:24 PM (iawDR)

Kelo vs City of New London

Another form of theft.

Posted by: Jack Sock at July 19, 2017 01:26 PM (bN6TL)

393 When I lived in the Santa Barbara area there was a guy who had this multi-acre, multi million dollar property on which he was growing five pot plants for personal use. The cops did this huge raid, in which the unarmed owner was killed, because the rules at that time said they could seize the property if he was using it for a drug business.

Posted by: Ace's liver at July 19, 2017 01:17 PM (Xuv2G)

Yeesh someone narced on him. Ex-wife? Because if he wasn't selling it and keeping his mouth shut about it, no one would have known.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 19, 2017 01:27 PM (4ErVI)

394 Sorry to resort to eyorism, but news like this is depressing as hell.
Sessions, I had high hopes for him. We all did.

Posted by: navybrat at July 19, 2017 01:27 PM (w7KSn)

395 NOOD Charlie Gard

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 19, 2017 01:27 PM (ul9CR)

396 And Trump's. Seriously, does nobody remember him speaking very strongly in support of Civil Asset Forfeiture early this year? It caused great consternation and even tweeting.

I can understand people disagreeing with this law, I'd like to see it scaled back, but this should not surprise anyone who has been paying attention.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 19, 2017 01:14 PM (/tuJf)

Yup. I am not surprised by this at all.

Okay. I am done with the shrieking at people about this because I'm the one who is too busy whipping it out to bother with actually persuading people. That's not a good look on me either.

To the shooty shooty, is it confirmed that he shot where while he was sitting in the front seat of the car, past his partner and through the driver's side door or window?

I'm sorry, I am fixated on the physics of that. It's just. I mean. What? Just. What?

If true, his partner is facing the probability of permanent damage to his hearing. I don't care about shooty boy's hearing, his idiot choice, his idiot consequences.

Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 01:27 PM (mf5HN)

397 So Noor has talked. Going with the, "I'm a scared brown immigrant in a land of racists" defense.

Posted by: gm at July 19, 2017 01:27 PM (5qPsi)

398 Civil Forfeiture doesn't happen to politicians. It needs to.

I'l settle for putting ALL of them on Fredocare

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 19, 2017 01:27 PM (SjImc)

399 Takedowns like #368 are why I always look forward to AtC posts. o_O It's like having a mini-Christmas every few days.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at July 19, 2017 01:28 PM (6JL3d)

400 Welp, it's nice to know we have two evil, anti-American political parties,

instead of one evil and one stupid.

Now, we really can vote for the lesser of two evils!

Ahhhhhh, life is so-o-o-o much easier now.

Posted by: naturalfake at July 19, 2017 01:28 PM (NyJwR)

401 I know of a seizure case where a family lost their motel (only source of income) because the local police had something like ten "incidents" -- crimes by others -- there over a five year period. That's one way to get rid of a neighborhood blight, no?

If this is about taking away the incentive for local LE to pad their budgets, we owe Beauregard an apology

Posted by: Ignoramus at July 19, 2017 01:28 PM (+7/1f)

402 Civil Forfeiture doesn't happen to politicians. It needs to. I'm thinking a bunch of people in the Senate, the House and the Exec branch have overseas accounts or import/export companies and that is a sure tipoff to drug dealing. Ask any cop. Better seize their USA houses, cars, bank accounts, etc. just in case.
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at July 19, 2017 01:22 PM (B9t7n)

Find ONE illegal campaign contribution.... taints the whole Campaign fund...
Posted by: Don Q.

Doesn't happen to business either.
Hire one illegal, lose the business.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 19, 2017 01:28 PM (G0G8s)

403
It doesn't matter that the cbs person is a screw up, what some of us are saying... maybe screaming... is the policy is wrong, wrong, wrong... even when applied with all the i's dotted and t's crossed.... pre-conviction.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 19, 2017 01:28 PM (r+sAi)

404 373 Civil Forfeiture doesn't happen to politicians. It needs to. I'm thinking a bunch of people in the Senate, the House and the Exec branch have overseas accounts or import/export companies and that is a sure tipoff to drug dealing. Ask any cop. Better seize their USA houses, cars, bank accounts, etc. just in case.
Posted by: Hopped Up On Somethin

yep. local podunk PD should seize Lois Lerner's house, car, and pension and make her go to court and prove she didn't break ANY laws. funny how the policies and procedures don't work that way ever.

Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at July 19, 2017 01:29 PM (nFwvY)

405 264
Posted by: Lestore Moore at July 19, 2017 12:27 PM (m9X4Y)

Then you should not comment on shit you do not understand.

This is the SAME FUCKING TRAP ACE FELL INTO IN JANUARY.

HAVE YOU FUCKING PEOPLE LEARNED ****NOTHING*****?

THIS GODDAMN "HOT TAKE" IS FROM ****CBS*****FUCKING*****NEWS***!!!!!

WTF IS AlexTheChic? I need help throwing all the motherfuckers things.

Posted by: The mainstream media can EABOD at July 19, 2017 01:00 PM (CEU4j)
****

OK - Marcus - everyone - just calm down:

https://tinyurl.com/yb2qkpwb

Alright - let's establish a few things - first, civil forfeiture has been held constitutional under certain circumstances but is, as far as I am concerned, only a borderline constitutional practice even when used appropriately (i.e where there is also an accompanying criminal indictment and the assets are directly implicated therein). It is rife with abuse and fascistic over reaching, particularly by State and local authorities - and should be curtailed wherever possible.

That all being said - this letter - does not expand current Fed practice and in some ways may curtail States from abusing. The letter certainly does NOT have anything to do with the idiot CBS MSM'r's headline - which was my point.

I may be somewhat disappointed with Sessions - but it is NOT because of this stupid letter. Can we talk about meaningful issues as opposed to some made up MSM BS please?

Posted by: Publius Redux at July 19, 2017 01:29 PM (Fb9aZ)

406 Careful... Kelo went the wrong way on imminent domain.

The "good" thing about Kelo (and about Raich, for that matter) is that for the most part the more extreme-right the democrat-media complex thinks a judge is, the more likely they were to vote against Kelo-style eminent domain and federal power over state-only activities.

In Kelo, O'Connor, Rehnquist, Scalia, and Thomas voted against eminent domain. It was Stevens, Kennedy, Souter, Ginsburg, and Breyer who voted in favor of the City of New London.

In Raich, the dissent was from O'Connor, Rehnquist, and Thomas, with Scalia agreeing with the liberals but trying to restrict the effects of the ruling. It was Stevens, Kennedy, Souter, Ginsburg, and Breyer who voted for federal control over an entirely-in-state activity.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at July 19, 2017 01:29 PM (2lndx)

407 400 Welp, it's nice to know we have two evil, anti-American political parties,

instead of one evil and one stupid.

Now, we really can vote for the lesser of two evils!

Ahhhhhh, life is so-o-o-o much easier now.
Posted by: naturalfake at July 19, 2017 01:28 PM (NyJwR)

I voted Libertarian back in 2008 because I couldn't stomach McCain (don't worry I'm in a state that reliably goes blue anyway). I'm thinking I'm just gonna start doing that again. I don't want either party's stain on me anymore.

Posted by: The Deplorable Mr. Trumpkin at July 19, 2017 01:30 PM (wwd4n)

408 >>>388
Thirty seconds seems like an awfully small window. There's no reason it can't be something like three hours.
Posted by: Ace's liver at July 19, 2017 01:26 PM (>>>

Or just have them "on" all the time. I'm guessing in Minnesota they don't want the cops getting busted for all of the illegal shit they do, just the stuff they got caught doing.

Posted by: gm at July 19, 2017 01:30 PM (5qPsi)

409 *screeches*

HOW DARE YOU BRING CALMNESS AND REASON TO THIS PUBLIUS! HOW DARE YOU!

Also you got willowed after making a great comment because of course you did.

Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag at July 19, 2017 01:31 PM (mf5HN)

410 I'm sorry, I am fixated on the physics of that. It's just. I mean. What? Just. What?

If true, his partner is facing the probability of permanent damage to his hearing. I don't care about shooty boy's hearing, his idiot choice, his idiot consequences.
Posted by: alexthechick - where's my flag

It sounds like an episode of Arhcer, except that this is in no way funny.

Supposedly:

Multiple rounds

Only one struck the victim

through the door!?!

Posted by: zombie Lassie at July 19, 2017 01:31 PM (326rv)

411 Can we talk about meaningful issues as opposed to some made up MSM BS please?
Posted by: Publius Redux

NOOD Charlie Gard.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 19, 2017 01:31 PM (G0G8s)

412 Beware of Islamophobia!

http://tinyurl.com/y8taxlgb
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.

That white woman seems quite sweet and compassionate. And the dark woman looks so sad, so victimized.

But that white guy? He looks so hate filled. He looks like an angry bigot.

Why must you white guys be such angry bigoted bigots? We may have to do something about you if you don't get your act together. Stop being such hateful, violent creeps. This cartoon has really opened my eyes to the true state of affairs. I accept it without question.

#IllRideWithYou.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at July 19, 2017 01:31 PM (xAvrH)

413 "This makes Rand Paul have to fight on two fronts: repealing O'care and stopping civil forfeiture."

There are so many fronts to fight on that it's become an exercise in N-dimensional geometry.

Obamacare. Forfeiture. The Deep State. Obama's Iran nuclear "deal" being certified legit by Tillerson. Kelly at DHS authorizing tens of thousands of new foreign-worker visas this year. Continued lavishing of cash on the D.C. pork-industrial complex. The non-withdrawing withdrawal from the Paris climate accords.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 19, 2017 01:31 PM (ujwCG)

414 I AM JUST KIDDING.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at July 19, 2017 01:32 PM (xAvrH)

415 Where TF do you find muppets to claim that punishment in lieu of process (or before process) can possibly comply with the Fifth Amendment?

Why do I *always* wake up in bizarro world?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 01:32 PM (wB8Tg)

416 >>>I'm guessing in Minnesota they don't want the cops getting busted for all of the illegal shit they do, just the stuff they got caught doing.

Or it's a data storage issue.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at July 19, 2017 01:33 PM (MduLE)

417 If the cameras were really always on, but "buffering" 30 seconds, the FBI might find something in there. Overwriting is not a perfect thing ... but I don't know details on that.

And yeah, the mini cards can hold many gigs now, so why not just make it a 6 hour loop. My dash cam can record probably a full day or two before it loops.

Posted by: illiniwek at July 19, 2017 01:33 PM (HQuBO)

418 >>>Obamacare. Forfeiture. The Deep State. Obama's Iran nuclear "deal" being certified legit by Tillerson. Kelly at DHS authorizing tens of thousands of new foreign-worker visas this year. Continued lavishing of cash on the D.C. pork-industrial complex. The non-withdrawing withdrawal from the Paris climate accords.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 19, 2017 01:31 PM (ujwCG)>>>

It's a tough pill to swallow, but I keep reminding myself (1) still not Hillary, and (2) Gorsuch. Sometimes it's enough.

Posted by: gm at July 19, 2017 01:34 PM (5qPsi)

419 You can always count on the GOP to rein in government overreach.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at July 19, 2017 01:35 PM (rznWS)

420 Our execuitive branch has its priorities: civil forfeiture is more important than say, investigating why the IRS is still hiding emails, and such.

See, its all about power and not restricting power.

Posted by: Harun at July 19, 2017 01:36 PM (UBBWX)

421 This Australian woman was reporting a sexual assault. You know what that means.

Officer Noor just doing the honor killings Americans won't do.

Posted by: Fuq the Media at July 19, 2017 01:37 PM (Vlmpk)

422 Summary:

1) The MFM got it wrong. Shocker.

2) CAF is unconstitutional.

3) Somebody is always going to argue.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 19, 2017 01:37 PM (wB8Tg)

423 >>>I may be somewhat disappointed with Sessions - but it is NOT because of this stupid letter. Can we talk about meaningful issues as opposed to some made up MSM BS please?

Posted by: Publius Redux at July 19, 2017 01:29 PM (Fb9aZ)>>>

As long as the guidelines for civil asset forfeiture don't say "don't do it," it is a meaningful issue.

Posted by: gm at July 19, 2017 01:40 PM (5qPsi)

424 As said before, This definitely does not feel like winning.

Posted by: Gman at July 19, 2017 01:41 PM (VXoTW)

425 Ace, why shouldn't this Federal law override state law just like Federal immigration laws override "sanctuary cities? "

Posted by: SDN at July 19, 2017 01:41 PM (tbkX7)

426 Unconstitutional guidelines aren't "Federal law."

Posted by: gm at July 19, 2017 01:43 PM (5qPsi)

427 It very clear that the civil war we are living is not one sided. This is more of the same government against the people crap that we have been complaining about for decades; only worse. They all need to be voted out.

Posted by: Trip at July 19, 2017 01:45 PM (7kaS+)

428 As said before, This definitely does not feel like winning.

This was to be expected. During the campaign Trump expressed enthusiastic support for CAF and utter bafflement as to why anyone opposes it.

He is right on many things but I don't think it's in his nature to understand that those who disagree with him may have legitimate points.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 19, 2017 01:45 PM (gIRsn)

429 As long as Americans remain the world's largest drug consumer, billions of dollars will continue to flow south back to the cartels - in tractor trailers, shipping containers, cars, electronic transfers, the black market peso exchange, etc. Civil asset forfeiture is the only way to stop a portion of it. The story of the local sheriff jacking up a innocent motorist is bullshit.

Posted by: tjk at July 19, 2017 01:47 PM (cCZc/)

430 The woman was uncovered and unaccompanied by a male family member. She deserved what she got. Respect my culture, kafirs.

Posted by: Your Diverse Colonists at July 19, 2017 01:51 PM (2egm4)

431 I'm sorry, I am fixated on the physics of that. It's just. I mean. What? Just. What?

If true, his partner is facing the probability of permanent damage to his hearing. I don't care about shooty boy's hearing, his idiot choice, his idiot consequences.
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yes. Not to mention powder burns on his face potentially.

There is something seriously off about that whole thing.

Posted by: simplemind at July 19, 2017 01:56 PM (sD75F)

432
I have seizures.

A lot of seizures...

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at July 19, 2017 02:05 PM (UMWic)

433 To top it all off, since they were there about a report of a sexual assault, the woman they met could have been the victim seeking help from the police. Only to be shot by the Somali.

They were safely ensconced in their car.

There is absolutely no excuse for this murder.

Posted by: Fuq the Media at July 19, 2017 02:05 PM (Vlmpk)

434 Time to dump Sessions.

Posted by: HammerDog at July 19, 2017 02:09 PM (9M063)

435 "So this, NeverTrumpers, is one area that I strongly disagree with the president. I'm actually extremely disappointed with Sessions overall. He seems much more interested in tripling down on the failed War On Drugs than anything. Great."

Yuuuuup.

Posted by: S at July 19, 2017 02:09 PM (poT2p)

436 If true, his partner is facing the probability of permanent damage to his hearing. I don't care about shooty boy's hearing, his idiot choice, his idiot consequences.
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yes. Not to mention powder burns on his face potentially.

There is something seriously off about that whole thing.

Posted by: simplemind at July 19, 2017 01:56 PM

have we even heard a word from (or even about) the partner?

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 19, 2017 02:09 PM (ZQfW9)

437 429 As long as Americans remain the world's largest drug consumer, billions of dollars will continue to flow south back to the cartels - in tractor trailers, shipping containers, cars, electronic transfers, the black market peso exchange, etc. Civil asset forfeiture is the only way to stop a portion of it. The story of the local sheriff jacking up a innocent motorist is bullshit.
Posted by: tjk

plus it makes it harder for tjk to wet his beak

Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at July 19, 2017 02:14 PM (nFwvY)

438 easier

Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at July 19, 2017 02:15 PM (nFwvY)

439 Earth to Jeff Sessions .. wtf are you doing?

Posted by: The Spelling Police at July 19, 2017 02:16 PM (CrJzY)

440 "After reading the documents..."

Why do that when you can go off half-cocked with your preconceived notions?

Posted by: goodluckduck at July 19, 2017 02:53 PM (yqvys)

441 I appreciate the instinct to be pro-law enforcement, but this is outrageous. It's not "conservative" to strip basic rights and property from the presumed-innocent. Unless we're past that assumption, too.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at July 19, 2017 03:08 PM (7EyuQ)

442 And just like that, it was gone.

Posted by: blaster at July 19, 2017 03:11 PM (lALnC)

443 The opioid panic is pure turf protection by people,whose bread is buttered by enforcement.

Yes addicts ruin their lives, people have a right to mess up their lives. It hurts people who depend or care for the life-ruiner, but you don't have to stay around the junkie and it's not worse than alcoholism.

If I had my way people could walk into apparently and buy all the laudanum they can carry and may they go to hell with it.

Posted by: SarahW at July 19, 2017 03:46 PM (Sp1NT)

444 Apparently = a pharmacy

Posted by: SarahW at July 19, 2017 03:47 PM (Sp1NT)

445 Has Jeff Sessions lost his fucking mind?
This 180 from where and what Sessions should be focusing on.
Trump needs to 'spkian some reality to his AG.

Posted by: Lower class person whose opinion must be guided at July 19, 2017 03:50 PM (oBuXO)

446 My two cents, for what it is worth:

AG Sessions said on Monday this is mainly designed to seize property of drug cases.

I know of one case this year, involving gang-banging murder and drugs...where the house they were squatting in was titled to a long dead person. It was in a bad neighborhood and no one cared. Think of the empty houses and apts in squalid and not so squalid neighborhoods. Where gangs come and go and do their deals. I just read of this a month ago.

I am concerned, as well, of the properties being snapped up by foreigners right now in the US market.

A few years ago, the "worst house" in neighborhood was owned by someone from Turkey. Very dicey characters, children having DUI's and speeding and dope. A party, til it was reported to police, with drug activity and public nekkidness. House completely falling apart til several foreclosures (you betcha this was bought during the Fannie/Freddie mortgage heyday. And this was in a very nice neighborhood.

So I am going to wait and see. If it is drug stuff like I mentioned above, I don't think someone is going to drive by my house and think, "Wow, like this one! Let's accuse the owners of drugs and take their property."

As much as the MSM wants people to believe this is Venezuela under President Trump, I don't think we are there yet.

Anyway, I am no lawyer,just an aging supermodel, so what do I know?

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Infidel Queen, is tired of dis at July 19, 2017 05:46 PM (J5mzk)

447 That nasty little fool Sessions is doing a nice job of knocking independents off the Trump wagon. Not that they'll be needed in 2020 or anything.

Posted by: Former MSM journalist, active Moron at July 19, 2017 07:06 PM (fJuD+)

448 OK, I'm now fully on board with getting rid of Sessions. Like Now - before he does even more irreparable damage.

Like pretty much every Republican "prosecutor" (e.g. Issa, Chaffetz, Gowdy, et al) they make noise and grandstand, but when it comes down to actually enforcing the law, they are toothless and thus worthless.

When it comes to increasing the power of the Police State, they are there to make sure that the succeeding political ruling party has the powers in place to oppress the public. (e.g. ATF, DHS, OSHA, EPA, etc.)

Sessions is basically providing the next regime unlimited powers to destroy their political and ideological enemies and giving the treacherous Koskinens remaining in office (rather than prison) backup to continue their jihad against the West.

What an utterly worthless and dysfunctional AG. It seems we either get our appointed public enemies as either profoundly criminally corrupt or tyrannical, never patriotic or cognizant of even the concept of a Constitutional Republic.

What makes matters even worse, the Progs can point to us and laugh.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 19, 2017 07:39 PM (+3SLm)

449 It's a tough pill to swallow, but I keep reminding myself (1) still not Hillary, and (2) Gorsuch. Sometimes it's enough.
Posted by: gm at July 19, 2017 01:34 PM (5qPsi)

Thanks for the pick-me-up. I need to be thankful for what we have, not the greatness that we can be.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 19, 2017 07:44 PM (+3SLm)

450 437 The Original REAL Galactic Lord Covfefe - I've been a lawyer working im law enforcement for 30 years. WTF are your qualifications?

Posted by: tjk at July 19, 2017 08:36 PM (cCZc/)

451 Is Jeff Sessions and Mitch McConnell the same person?

Posted by: Fisht at July 20, 2017 08:47 AM (zOqbT)

452 A Lawyer for Law Enforcement isn't a feature, it's a bug...

Posted by: Fisht at July 20, 2017 08:49 AM (zOqbT)

453 Idiot, Congress does not have the legal authority to enforce Law. You ignoramus..

Posted by: Fisht at July 20, 2017 08:51 AM (zOqbT)

454 Jeff Sessions is terrible and should go away NOW, not later.

Jeff Sessions perfectly illustrates why idiots like Nancy Piglosi keep getting re-elected.

Posted by: Fisht at July 20, 2017 08:53 AM (zOqbT)

455 452 - Fisht, tell us your basis of knowledge for civil asset forfeiture? Did you read an article on the internet, or was your weed money taken once?

Posted by: tjk at July 20, 2017 04:28 PM (cCZc/)

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