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Being Told Tesla Exists Because of Tax Breaks and Subsidies Drives Elon Musk Crazy (MJ)
The truth. It hurts sometimes.
The Wall Street Journal reported this week that it drives Mr. Musk "crazy" when critics argue that his company is the creation of government subsidies and handouts. Perhaps he reacts so strongly because he knows they may have a point.
But surely there are no recent examples that show the removal of government subsidies would dry up the market for ugly, overpriced vanity cars, right?
Consider the Journal's revelations about Tesla sales in Hong Kong. After the government there, effective April 1, eliminated a tax break for those purchasing electric vehicles, the number of Tesla cars registered fell to zero. That's right. Zero.Well shit. But that's the Far East. Everyone knows they don't care about the environment like, say, Denmark.
Nor is this unusual. When the government in Denmark in 2015 reduced generous tax breaks for electric car buyers, sales of such vehicles dropped the next year by 70 percent, the Journal reported.Double shit.
"Tesla welcomes government policies that support our mission and make it easier for more people to buy electric vehicles," the company told the Journal in a statement. "However, our business does not rely on it."On one hand, we could test this theory and stop subsidizing upper middle class car purchases. On the other, it does brand a certain class of douchebags with a big scarlet 'T'. Dunno. I'm torn.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 16, 2017 06:30 PM (5VlCp)
Posted by: Iowa Bob at July 16, 2017 06:31 PM (mrsAC)
Posted by: Iowa Bob at July 16, 2017 06:31 PM (mrsAC)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 16, 2017 06:33 PM (KP5rU)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 16, 2017 06:33 PM (KP5rU)
Posted by: MJ AOS at July 16, 2017 06:35 PM (mHBj7)
Still... Elon sees himself as a visionary and as such deserves the govt support... because how should you deny the obvious future, h8er
Elon ought to be set back a peg
Posted by: Former mass resident at July 16, 2017 06:35 PM (a92Gi)
We also had a scheme to franchise hipster recharging stations where you could go in for your coffee while your car powers back up.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 16, 2017 06:36 PM (QGoUX)
And the same goes for the rest of Musk's ventures. Let them live or die on their own. The feral government shouldn't be handing out money to any solar or wind or battery crap. If people want that stuff they can actually pay for it.
And even more important than all this - much, much more important - is to have the ridiculous regulations strangling the real power industry and real cars be lifted and have the EPA put to sleep, already. This "CO2 is pollution" bullshit really has to go and everyone who helped that along (and I mean everyone) should be thrown out of whatever positions they are in since they are clearly destructive idiots who can't be trusted with any power, at all.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 16, 2017 06:36 PM (rZ+mb)
We should not have to subsidize them, but it is nice to see some fun ideas
Posted by: RobM1981 at July 16, 2017 06:37 PM (VVBN7)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at July 16, 2017 06:37 PM (6FqZa)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 16, 2017 06:30 PM (5VlCp)
Not gonna top that. Not even gonna try. Kudos, hairy dude!
Posted by: Peaches at July 16, 2017 06:38 PM (EgOr3)
The production model basically looks like a Prius.
Posted by: MJ AOS at July 16, 2017 06:38 PM (mHBj7)
And apparently, I got to buy it for you.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at July 16, 2017 06:37 PM (6FqZa)
And there I go, bein' wrong again . . .
Posted by: Peaches at July 16, 2017 06:39 PM (EgOr3)
Posted by: MJ AOS at July 16, 2017 06:40 PM (mHBj7)
Posted by: Skip at July 16, 2017 06:40 PM (9g/6M)
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at July 16, 2017 06:40 PM (e1mEI)
Posted by: Skip at July 16, 2017 06:41 PM (9g/6M)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 16, 2017 06:43 PM (oVJmc)
But I like the idea of pushing the tech forward.
Until they're able to go 400 miles on a single charge, I'll stick with proven IC engines.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 16, 2017 06:44 PM (xJa6I)
Posted by: Skip at July 16, 2017 06:45 PM (9g/6M)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 16, 2017 06:43 PM (oVJmc)
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With whom was Alice partying?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 16, 2017 06:46 PM (QGoUX)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 16, 2017 06:46 PM (QGoUX)
Posted by: grammie winger at July 16, 2017 06:46 PM (1fvpz)
Posted by: Peaches at July 16, 2017 06:47 PM (EgOr3)
Without taxpayer's money they go belly-up.
All the dead wind farms in Europe and the US prove this as well.
Like recycling this is just another scam to get your money into their friends and families pockets.
Being connected is awesome. Just ask Board of Solyndra.
Posted by: naturalfake at July 16, 2017 06:47 PM (9q7Dl)
Posted by: John DeLorean at July 16, 2017 06:48 PM (bc2Lc)
Posted by: grammie winger at July 16, 2017 06:46 PM (1fvpz)
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The police station has lousy wifi, huh?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 16, 2017 06:48 PM (QGoUX)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 16, 2017 06:49 PM (RZXSp)
They've bet the farm on a very non-traditional approach to developing and building the model 3. By the end of the year we should know if it works.
I'd bet the whole thing blows up, but what do I know?
Posted by: Iowa Bob at July 16, 2017 06:50 PM (mrsAC)
24 It's nearly impossible to get on this dang blog from Cancun. Problem loading this page Problem loading this page yada yada
Posted by: grammie winger at July 16, 2017 06:46 PM (1fvpz)
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The police station has lousy wifi, huh?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 16, 2017 06:48 PM (QGoUX)
*spews adult beverage everywhere*
*wipe wipe, wipe*
Posted by: Infidel at July 16, 2017 06:51 PM (gDoff)
Why yes I did.
Posted by: JAS at July 16, 2017 06:51 PM (UnDQI)
*detects a whiff of ozone in the air*
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 16, 2017 06:53 PM (OdK9v)
It's right next to the freeway in Fremont, where hundreds of thousands of commuters see it every day. Like a giant Soviet monument to socialized crony capitalism.
Posted by: zombie at July 16, 2017 06:53 PM (DQ4Fv)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 16, 2017 06:46 PM (QGoUX
I love you, Alice B. Toklas.
Posted by: bergerbilder at July 16, 2017 06:54 PM (lIZQs)
Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at July 16, 2017 06:54 PM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: Infidel at July 16, 2017 06:55 PM (gDoff)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 16, 2017 06:30 PM (5VlCp)
Not gonna top that. Not even gonna try. Kudos, hairy dude!
Posted by: Peaches at July 16, 2017 06:38 PM (EgOr3)
Thanks Peaches! Martini time.....
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 16, 2017 06:56 PM (5VlCp)
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 16, 2017 06:56 PM (0pcwX)
28 24 It's nearly impossible to get on this dang blog from Cancun. Problem loading this page Problem loading this page yada yada
Posted by: grammie winger at July 16, 2017 06:46 PM (1fvpz)
We were in Cancun 10 days ago. I had no problem.
Posted by: Northernlurker at July 16, 2017 06:57 PM (nBr1j)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 16, 2017 06:57 PM (DMUuz)
But I like the idea of pushing the tech forward.
Until they're able to go 400 miles on a single charge, I'll stick with proven IC engines.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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That's fine, but don't use money confiscated from the poorer parts of society to finance the manufacturer or your purchase.
The subsidies of electrics (regardless of configuration) represents an inexcusable and immoral transfer of wealth from the have-nots to the haves.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 16, 2017 06:58 PM (OdK9v)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at July 16, 2017 06:58 PM (6FqZa)
Posted by: freaked at July 16, 2017 06:59 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: Peaches at July 16, 2017 06:59 PM (EgOr3)
Posted by: freaked at July 16, 2017 07:00 PM (BO/km)
hundreds of thousands of commuters see it every day. Like a giant
Soviet monument to socialized crony capitalism.
Posted by: zombie at July 16, 2017 06:53 PM
Isn't that part of the former NUMMI plant?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 16, 2017 07:01 PM (DMUuz)
noun
1.
dash; impetuous ardor:
to dance with great élan.
Musk
noun
1.
a substance secreted in a glandular sac under the skin of the abdomen of the male musk deer, having a strong odor
Posted by: bergerbilder at July 16, 2017 07:01 PM (lIZQs)
I used to live in Uptown Charlotte. Overnight, electric charging stations appeared with parking spaces reserved for electric vehicles. Everyday, the cars that were parked in those spaces were owned by city employees.
So we have a movement to allocate parking spaces and provide taxpayer fuel for cares subsidized by taxpayers for government officials that are paid by the taxpayer.
It's all a scam.
Posted by: MJ AOS at July 16, 2017 07:02 PM (mHBj7)
Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at July 16, 2017 07:02 PM (aMlLZ)
I wonder how Musk feels when people tell him his cars are powered mostly by coal?
Posted by: freaked at July 16, 2017 07:00 PM (BO/km)
He's in California. The chances of him running into a sentient being are extremely low.
Posted by: Peaches at July 16, 2017 07:02 PM (EgOr3)
They may be guilty, but this is not how to do it.
Subtext is that this wouldn't happen if there were more women CEOs in tech.
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 16, 2017 07:02 PM (pV/54)
Posted by: Lotus at July 16, 2017 07:03 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: Skip at July 16, 2017 07:03 PM (9g/6M)
"Yakety Sax" while driving down the road. A silent car is a dangerous
car, so if it saves one life...
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 16, 2017 06:49 PM (RZXSp)
There was talk a good 4 years or so ago about having electric cars make some noise to make them less dangerous. I thought they should sell a variety of ringtones from "the Jetsons' aircar noise" to "Enter the Gladiators on Calliope"
Posted by: Kindltot at July 16, 2017 07:04 PM (mkDpn)
Posted by: freaked at July 16, 2017 07:00 PM (BO/km)
Or by dead bait fish.
Posted by: bergerbilder at July 16, 2017 07:04 PM (lIZQs)
FOR L, ELLE
I don't know if you're online today but here's some advice for a jumping dog:
http://www.canineminded.com/stop-dog-jumping-people/
Posted by: andycanuck #CNNisISIS at July 16, 2017 07:04 PM (nlbfN)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at July 16, 2017 07:04 PM (8gTsX)
Posted by: John DeLorean at July 16, 2017 07:04 PM (EgOr3)
For a guy using Tesla's name he really is a shithead like Edison was, only at least Edison invented the half of things his company's made after stealing the other half from Tesla & Westinghouse.
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at July 16, 2017 07:05 PM (N5dam)
hundreds of thousands of commuters see it every day. Like a giant
Soviet monument to socialized crony capitalism.
Posted by: zombie at July 16, 2017 06:53 PM
Isn't that part of the former NUMMI plant?
Posted by: Duncanthrax
Yep.
I think Seagate (the hard-drive computer company) is now in the other part of the complex. I don't actually go by there very often, so I forget which building is which.
Posted by: zombie at July 16, 2017 07:05 PM (DQ4Fv)
Electric cars have gone and will go nowhere to date.
Not until a motive source is invented that eclipses ALL the advantages of the IC system will we be driving anything else.
Posted by: irongrampa at July 16, 2017 07:06 PM (S/hVx)
only at least Edison invented the half of things his company's made
after stealing the other half from Tesla Westinghouse.
.
.
.Yep, Edison really was a thief. He stole the motion picture idea from a guy in France who died on his way to the US to patent it.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 16, 2017 07:08 PM (0pcwX)
Not until a motive source is invented that eclipses ALL the advantages of the IC system will we be driving anything else.
Posted by: irongrampa at July 16, 2017 07:06 PM (S/hVx)
Yup, exactly.
Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at July 16, 2017 07:08 PM (aMlLZ)
Posted by: Captain Whitebread at July 16, 2017 07:08 PM (rJUlF)
Just like my brother-in-law, except he is a farmer.
Posted by: bergerbilder at July 16, 2017 07:09 PM (lIZQs)
Or natural gas. Or anything that feeds the grid.
I like nuclear power and think we should have more nuclear plants. Windmills suck.
Posted by: freaked at July 16, 2017 07:09 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: irongrampa at July 16, 2017 07:06 PM (S/hVx)
Fuel cell if they ever get the bugs out, and can run it on hydrocarbons
Posted by: Kindltot at July 16, 2017 07:09 PM (mkDpn)
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The environmental bullshit is their marketing plan to get people that no nothing about cars into a virtue-car.
They know, but they don't care.
Posted by: MJ AOS at July 16, 2017 07:09 PM (mHBj7)
He bought into the pre-existing company.
And the rest, as they say is...
the result of good connections to get tax breaks, subsidies and money from poorer taxpayers.
It's like a success story from the Soviet Union.
Posted by: naturalfake at July 16, 2017 07:09 PM (9q7Dl)
Posted by: Insomniac at July 16, 2017 07:09 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 16, 2017 07:10 PM (pV/54)
Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:10 PM (0wem/)
Electric cars have gone and will go nowhere to date.
Not until a motive source is invented that eclipses ALL the advantages of the IC system will we be driving anything else.
Posted by: irongrampa
As you may have seen earlier this month, Volvo announced they will henceforth ONLY produce non-internal-combustion vehicles -- electric, hyrdrogen, hybrid.
Ever single moonbat I know was gleeful over this, and that day declared that the internal combustion engine was "dead" and good riddance. They acted like it was already over, that the funeral for internal combustion has just happened and we were now all walking back to have a big wake.
Posted by: zombie at July 16, 2017 07:10 PM (DQ4Fv)
Posted by: freaked at July 16, 2017 07:11 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at July 16, 2017 07:11 PM (aMlLZ)
Posted by: Javems at July 16, 2017 07:11 PM (yOqwj)
Sweden really does have a death wish.
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 16, 2017 07:11 PM (pV/54)
Ever single moonbat I know was gleeful over this, and that day declared that the internal combustion engine was "dead" and good riddance. They acted like it was already over, that the funeral for internal combustion has just happened and we were now all walking back to have a big wake.
Posted by: zombie at July 16, 2017 07:10 PM (DQ4Fv)
Volvo will die. The internal combustion engine will live on.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 16, 2017 07:12 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: freaked at July 16, 2017 07:11 PM (BO/km)
ugly chicks have boobs.
lol
Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at July 16, 2017 07:12 PM (aMlLZ)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 16, 2017 06:49 PM (RZXSp)
Loud pipes save lives. I cant begin to tell you how many times the drag pipes on my scooter that will wake the dead saved me from being crushed or driven off the road by zombie drivers with their faces in their cell phones or or zoning out listening to NPR.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 16, 2017 07:12 PM (FI864)
Posted by: bergerbilder at July 16, 2017 07:12 PM (lIZQs)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 16, 2017 07:13 PM (KP5rU)
Not until a motive source is invented that eclipses ALL the advantages of the IC system will we be driving anything else.
Posted by: irongrampa at July 16, 2017 07:06 PM (S/hVx)
THIS! It's all about energy density, and liquid hydrocarbon fuel is still much better than batteries, even after all the advancements that have been made in battery technology.
Posted by: Iowa Bob at July 16, 2017 07:13 PM (mrsAC)
Posted by: Fritz at July 16, 2017 07:13 PM (eLttb)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 16, 2017 06:36 PM (QGoUX)
You simply cannot recharge an electric auto's battery pack in the time it takes to drink a latte from Starfucks. Overnight is the typical time for a full charge, maybe 2 to 3 hours from a special high-rate charger. Try to do it any faster, and you could cook the batteries.
If electricity were the only source of motive power we had available to use as a civilization, and if we also wanted to have automobiles, the only rational way to make it work would be to have standardized battery packs, that could be swapped out in a minute or two at a properly-equipped service center. Each battery pack could have a mileage counter on it, designed to communicate with the cars' on-board systems, and billing could be upon the basis of miles driven.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 16, 2017 07:13 PM (XUcIQ)
Posted by: freaked at July 16, 2017 07:14 PM (BO/km)
Peaches! Where have you been hiding yourself lately?
Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:10 PM (0wem/)
You know me, darlin' . . . I come and I go. Been kind of a shit week, layin' low. About to go back to that. How you been?
Posted by: Peaches at July 16, 2017 07:14 PM (EgOr3)
Posted by: Infidel at July 16, 2017 07:14 PM (gDoff)
Doesn't it?
Posted by: irongrampa at July 16, 2017 07:14 PM (S/hVx)
Sweden really does have a death wish.
Posted by: Ignoramus
Nope.
Volvo is a CHINESE company. At least the half of the company that makes cars is Chinese. The other part of the company, that makes specialty equipment, still is part Swedish.
Don't believe me? Look it up!
It could very well be that the Chinese are purposely trying to kill Volvo.
Posted by: zombie at July 16, 2017 07:14 PM (DQ4Fv)
Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:14 PM (0wem/)
Posted by: Peaches at July
well I and mine have been well, but everyone is better now that you are here.
Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:15 PM (0wem/)
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 16, 2017 07:15 PM (pV/54)
They still have to get the electricity from somewhere...
I ran the numbers a few years ago, and by converting the amount of Energy used by gasoline and diesel vehicles to Kilowatt hours... we would have to increase our total energy output, and grid capability by 130% to change to all electric...
That's a 130% increase... ie more than Double...
Now, considering line loss... electricity production would actually have to be greater than that... but... you get the idea...
Posted by: Don Q. at July 16, 2017 07:15 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Javems at July 16, 2017 07:17 PM (yOqwj)
Geely (officially Zhejiang Geely Holding Group Co., Ltd) is a Chinese multinational automotive manufacturing company headquartered in Hangzhou, Zhejiang. Its principal products are automobiles, taxis, motorcycles, delivery vans, engines, and transmissions. It sells passenger cars under the Geely and Volvo brands and taxis under the London Taxi brand. Delivery vans are sold under the brand Emerald.[5]
Geely has owned the Swedish passenger car maker Volvo Cars since 2010
Posted by: zombie at July 16, 2017 07:17 PM (DQ4Fv)
i am shocked volvo is still in business. who buys that shit?
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 16, 2017 07:13 PM (KP5rU)
Volvo has been dining out for decades on what they did in the 60s. I had a fabulous one in the early 70s. Strong like bull. Very heavy, very safe. About 10 years later my dad got one, new, top of the line. Total piece of crap. Lightweight, no power, no nothing. He ended up trading it in for a Kia, which was a new thing at the time.
Posted by: Peaches at July 16, 2017 07:17 PM (EgOr3)
Sometimes, just to be an asshole, I park in the charge station parking spots at Price Chopper with my pickup.
Posted by: fixerupper at July 16, 2017 07:18 PM (vIjh1)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 16, 2017 07:18 PM (FI864)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 16, 2017 07:12 PM (FI864)
Absolutely. A Harley without drag pipes is a suicide machine.
Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at July 16, 2017 07:18 PM (aMlLZ)
Posted by: Ralph at July 16, 2017 07:18 PM (S91Fa)
Posted by: Kreplach at July 16, 2017 07:18 PM (9A6UB)
I'd like to see someone put a big ass Chevy V8 in one.
Posted by: freaked at July 16, 2017 07:18 PM (BO/km)
Loud pipes save lives. I cant begin to tell you how many times the drag
pipes on my scooter that will wake the dead saved me from being crushed
or driven off the road by zombie drivers with their faces in their cell
phones or or zoning out listening to NPR.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 16, 2017 07:12 PM (FI864)
If you're not setting off car alarms, you're doing it wrong! :-)
Posted by: Peaches at July 16, 2017 07:19 PM (EgOr3)
Posted by: grammie winger at July 16, 2017 06:46 PM (1fvpz)
Grammie you're on vacay. Forget about us!
Posted by: sinalco at July 16, 2017 07:19 PM (yODqO)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 16, 2017 07:20 PM (KP5rU)
The Chinese are trying to kill Vulvas!!!
What...I can't....that's....
Witness the birth of the First Han(djob) Dynasty!
Posted by: naturalfake at July 16, 2017 07:20 PM (9q7Dl)
Posted by: Peaches at July 16, 2017 07:19 PM (EgOr3)
lol. This is true.
Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at July 16, 2017 07:21 PM (aMlLZ)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 16, 2017 07:21 PM (FI864)
http://tinyurl.com/ybcl75qd
Posted by: Ralph at July 16, 2017 07:21 PM (S91Fa)
that need new batteries. how many used car buyers are going to be able
to pony up for a great big new battery?
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.We had a Ford Fusion hybrid. A very nice car that actually got over 40 MPG with my wife driving it back and forth to work.
Had a serious problem when we went to try and trade it in on a new car when it had 75,000 miles on it. It was pretty much worthless compared to a conventional car because the battery is only good for ~100,000 miles and then needs to be replaced at a cost of about $4,500 plus battery disposal fees.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 16, 2017 07:22 PM (0pcwX)
Posted by: Serious Cat at July 16, 2017 07:22 PM (Hnqc1)
Theme is now the suspicious timeline
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 16, 2017 07:22 PM (pV/54)
Sometimes, just to be an asshole, I park in the charge station parking spots at Price Chopper with my pickup.
Posted by: fixerupper at July 16, 2017 07:18 PM (vIjh1)
Same here. At one store near me the charging spots are closer to the front door than the handicap spots. As far as I know there's no law that restricts them to battery cars, and I'd argue long and loud that my car uses electricity, too.
Posted by: Iowa Bob at July 16, 2017 07:22 PM (mrsAC)
Posted by: Serious Cat at July 16, 2017 07:22 PM (Hnqc1)
A friend of mine at work just bought a Leaf. By the time all the rebates
and tax breaks were applied he paid <10k. It'll only go about 130
miles on a charge.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 16, 2017 07:21 PM (FI864)
So he will have frequent opportunities to recover from the embarrassment of driving it?
Posted by: Peaches at July 16, 2017 07:22 PM (EgOr3)
we do have cable because we get free cable from our building but not box and no dvr. officially we now only have one channel hgtv. unofficially, we have lots but I am not going to reach under the couch and get the remote because television is bad for you.
however, sometimes I will switch on hgtv when I am eating with the dogs or having a cup of coffee.
so anyway, there is some show called fixerupper set somewhere in Texas. the lady who is the fixerupperer is obsessesd with "open concept." so are her clients.
she did a house for some young couple and THE BITCH TOOK DOWN EVERY WALL IN the HOUSE EXCEPT FOR THE BATHROOMS AND BEDROOMS! Living room, dining room, kitchen, foyer, den, one big fucking room. The couple asked for a island in the kitchen and she gave them a fucking continent, must be 20 feet long.
who the hell does this to someone? she just made the biggest studio apartment ever.
oh yeah. french doors, shiplap, and big ugly clocks seem to be her key design elements.
Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:23 PM (0wem/)
Posted by: fu52 at July 16, 2017 07:24 PM (HpUpB)
Posted by: Evi L. Bloggerlady at July 16, 2017 07:24 PM (hUf3d)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 16, 2017 07:21 PM (FI864)
Good name then.... Leaf. With a range like that he'll need the wind to blow it around.
Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at July 16, 2017 07:24 PM (aMlLZ)
Any venture investors out there interested? I got lots of ideas!
Posted by: bergerbilder at July 16, 2017 07:24 PM (lIZQs)
NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
Posted by: Ralph at July 16, 2017 07:24 PM (S91Fa)
Posted by: Peaches at July 16, 2017 07:25 PM (EgOr3)
They're pissed they can't pronounce the company name properly.
Posted by: andycanuck #CNNisISIS at July 16, 2017 07:25 PM (nlbfN)
Had a serious problem when we went to try and trade it in on a new car when it had 75,000 miles on it. It was pretty much worthless compared to a conventional car because the battery is only good for ~100,000 miles and then needs to be replaced at a cost of about $4,500 plus battery disposal fees.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July
yeesh.
nearly ran in the the rara avis of "electric cars" the other day, the chevy volt.
Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:25 PM (0wem/)
Ever single moonbat I know was gleeful over this, and that day declared that the internal combustion engine was "dead" and good riddance. They acted like it was already over, that the funeral for internal combustion has just happened and we were now all walking back to have a big wake.
Posted by: zombie at July 16, 2017 07:10 PM (DQ4Fv)
And once you get past all the hype, it turns out that Volvo will be building mostly hybrids. Some will have plug-ins, like the Chevy Volt, so that poseurs can claim to be "burning no fuel", but nearly all their cars will have internal combustion engines as their prime mover. The hybrid design, at the expense of some complexity, allows a car to have acceptable performance from an IC engine that is smaller than would be otherwise necessary.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 16, 2017 07:25 PM (XUcIQ)
Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:26 PM (0wem/)
All they have to do to get the compliancy stamp is have the slots, right? It's not like they police them....I assume.
I sometimes park there because fuck you that's why. It just seems like a non-enforceable thing, but they still get their strokes and their subsidy (I'm guessing).
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 16, 2017 07:26 PM (QGoUX)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 16, 2017 07:27 PM (KP5rU)
Ive done open layouts for clients. (im not THAT fixerupper btw)
I dont like em either. Ive talked several out of it by asking "do you want anybody that comes in your door to see your kitchen sink?"
Posted by: fixerupper at July 16, 2017 07:27 PM (vIjh1)
Posted by: freaked at July 16, 2017 07:27 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: Skip at July 16, 2017 07:27 PM (9g/6M)
Posted by: josephistan at July 16, 2017 07:27 PM (ANIFC)
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at July 16, 2017 07:27 PM (/qEW2)
Posted by: Eromero at July 16, 2017 07:28 PM (zLDYs)
I would love to see a flat tax of no more than 3 percent on all income and capital gains.
Posted by: Locke Common at July 16, 2017 07:28 PM (X5Vvl)
yankeefifth
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lol. They're in Waco. I'm going down there in a couple of weeks with some friends from Kansas to visit the Gaines' design store, Magnolia Market. I expect a lot of Chinese crap that's way too expensive.
Posted by: sinalco at July 16, 2017 07:29 PM (yODqO)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at July 16, 2017 07:30 PM (bc2Lc)
Posted by: andycanuck #CNNisISIS at July 16, 2017 07:31 PM (nlbfN)
Posted by: Serious Cat at July 16, 2017 07:31 PM (Hnqc1)
Totally immature but it made me laugh.
Posted by: MJ AOS at July 16, 2017 07:31 PM (mHBj7)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/yczcohjp
Posted by: ShainS at July 16, 2017 07:31 PM (ZcAbN)
Posted by: nsirchov at July 16, 2017 07:31 PM (jpgqw)
Posted by: sinalco at July 16, 2017 07:29 PM (yODqO)
So they own a Tesla dealership?
Posted by: josephistan at July 16, 2017 07:31 PM (ANIFC)
Oh mister smarty pants I bet you think having a penis makes you male too?
Electric cars will stop climate change because they are powered by unicorn farts.
Posted by: Bill Nye at July 16, 2017 07:32 PM (mtGE/)
Posted by: josephistan at July 16, 2017 07:32 PM (ANIFC)
Posted by: MJ AOS at July 16, 2017 06:40 PM (mHBj7)
Isn't this basically the business plan of every tech company nowadays? Create a "product" that generates a lot of hype, but no real cash flow, get lots of people excited about it, and then sell it to some GloboCorp and retire? Turning a profit not required!
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at July 16, 2017 07:33 PM (Tnhbr)
And about two months later, a reader wrote in to ask where he could get the thousand mile long extension cords.
You want an all electric car? You pay for it.
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at July 16, 2017 07:33 PM (ILitO)
I made it a habit of parking in spots for electric vehicles at Whole Foods.
On the rare occasions when I go there, I always make it a point to burn a Parlie in the parking lot before I leave. Even if I don't feel like it.
Posted by: Peaches at July 16, 2017 07:33 PM (EgOr3)
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at July 16, 2017 07:27 PM (/qEW2)
Of course. There is a loss contingent upon every conversion from one form of energy to another. TANSTAAFL
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 16, 2017 07:33 PM (XUcIQ)
Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at July 16, 2017 07:34 PM (aMlLZ)
Its so dim sometimes I cant read labels even with my readers on. Night enough light to make these old eyeballs work.
Posted by: fixerupper at July 16, 2017 07:34 PM (vIjh1)
Posted by: 80's music fan at July 16, 2017 07:34 PM (dkqra)
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Yep. I worked for a company backed by private equity for a bit.
Build a company through acquisitions, then sell it. No real profit.
Posted by: MJ AOS at July 16, 2017 07:34 PM (mHBj7)
Posted by: MJ AOS at July 16, 2017 06:40 PM (mHBj7)
ABC, CBS or NBC ??
Posted by: nsirchov at July 16, 2017 07:35 PM (jpgqw)
The main problem with this is that we are paying for a car most of us will never drive. If Mr. Mullosk would give me a free Tesla, I wouldn't have a problem with this.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at July 16, 2017 07:35 PM (/qEW2)
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at July 16, 2017 07:27 PM (/qEW2)
It's possible, FWIU, to make a gas powered generator that's more efficient than a gas-powered engine. Enough to justify putting it in a car? Beats me.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at July 16, 2017 07:35 PM (Tnhbr)
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at July 16, 2017 07:35 PM (ILitO)
Theme is now the suspicious timeline"
Basically, all us deplorables just don't give a shit about anything the MSM and the Dems say. The Russia thing has reached the saturation point.
Posted by: Tuna at July 16, 2017 07:35 PM (jm1YL)
Build a company through acquisitions, then sell it. No real profit.
Posted by: MJ AOS at July 16, 2017 07:34 PM (mHBj7)
My interviewer on Thursday asked me why I didn't want to go into finance (the grad program has a heavy emphasis on finance). "Because I have a soul" is apparently a valid answer.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at July 16, 2017 07:36 PM (Tnhbr)
The government MUST help Tesla because Tesla's cars run on electricity, which is CLEAN and FREE!!!!
/imbeciles everywhere
Posted by: Sharkman at July 16, 2017 07:36 PM (wOq8U)
Posted by: josephistan at July 16, 2017 07:31 PM (ANIFC)
Magnolia Motors
Posted by: sinalco at July 16, 2017 07:36 PM (yODqO)
The government MUST help Tesla because Tesla's cars run on electricity, which is CLEAN and FREE!!!!
/imbeciles everywhere
Posted by: Sharkman at July 16, 2017 07:36 PM (wOq8U)
I can't wait until we run out of unicorn farts.
Posted by: Peaches at July 16, 2017 07:37 PM (EgOr3)
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at July 16, 2017 07:37 PM (ILitO)
The people that have electric vehicles have no idea if you're car is electric or not. And even if they did, what, pray tell, are they going to do?
I'm guessing that Prius drivers are a non-confrontational lot.
Posted by: MJ AOS at July 16, 2017 07:37 PM (mHBj7)
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at July 16, 2017 07:35 PM (/qEW2)
If you asked him for a free Tesla, he'd just clam up.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 16, 2017 07:38 PM (XUcIQ)
On the rare occasions when I go there, I always make it a point to burn a Parlie in the parking lot before I leave. Even if I don't feel like it.
Posted by: Peaches at July
sigh
Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:38 PM (0wem/)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 16, 2017 07:27 PM (KP5rU)
Like in basic training?
Posted by: Iowa Bob at July 16, 2017 07:38 PM (mrsAC)
Posted by: josephistan at July 16, 2017 07:38 PM (ANIFC)
Posted by: sinalco at July 16, 2017 07:38 PM (yODqO)
Posted by: fixerupper at July 16, 2017 07:38 PM (vIjh1)
Posted by: freaked at July 16, 2017 07:39 PM (BO/km)
Heh! I have to admit I do enjoy backing the bike onto the curb in front of some hipster douchebag and his old lady sipping a latte on the patio, and letting it idle before shutting it down. Too bad its only got a solo seat.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 16, 2017 07:39 PM (FI864)
Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:38 PM (0wem/)
They act like I'm spraying them with sarin gas. It's small and petty but very enjoyable.
Posted by: Peaches at July 16, 2017 07:39 PM (EgOr3)
Theme is now the suspicious timeline"
Rumor is that the Ruskies offered the Cankle dirt to the MSM. They turned it down on not being newsworthy or timely.
Posted by: nsirchov at July 16, 2017 07:39 PM (jpgqw)
File that fact under "it's better that nobody is pulling for your cause than liberals". Or as Tolkien said "Oft evil will shall evil mar." Expressed when Gollum danced too much to keep from falling in the volcano.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 16, 2017 07:39 PM (rnAwa)
Posted by: andycanuck #CNNisISIS at July 16, 2017 07:39 PM (nlbfN)
Posted by: sinalco at July
let me know how it goes. seems that they may be nice people but she has some kind of thing against walls.
what is waco like as a place to have a home?
Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:40 PM (0wem/)
The Strain returns tonite.
Wooot
Posted by: fixerupper at July 16, 2017 07:38 PM (vIjh1)
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Speaking of blood-sucking weenuses...
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 16, 2017 07:41 PM (QGoUX)
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at July 16, 2017 07:41 PM (ILitO)
I like this idea.
Posted by: wooga at July 16, 2017 07:41 PM (n5VsB)
what is waco like as a place to have a home?
Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:40 PM (0wem/)
The Branch Davidian home in Waco had a very open concept, once Janet Reno was done Reno-ing it.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 16, 2017 07:42 PM (XUcIQ)
>>Build a company through acquisitions, then sell it. No real profit.
I've worked for a few of them. That used to be the model pre-dot.com bubble, see Cuban, Mark. The game changed a bit after the crash.
You can still sell a pre-IPO company with no profits but you better have a plan to get to profitability that is realistic or a piece of technology that will greatly enhance a companies existing technology or you won't be selling for much.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 16, 2017 07:42 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: andycanuck #CNNisISIS at July 16, 2017 07:42 PM (nlbfN)
tesla owners who have ordered a p90D ludicrous, but not taken delivery, can upgrade to the 100kwh battery pack for $10,000. Existing P90D ludicrous owners can also upgrade to a 100kWh pack, but for $20,000, as their used 90kWh pack will have to be recycled.
$10,000 to recycle a fucking battery??? So I guess this means if you need a new battery for this POS its going to cost 20K.
10K to recycle a fucking battery??????
really?
Somebody better sleep with their hands above the covers at night.
Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at July 16, 2017 07:42 PM (aMlLZ)
Posted by: Save The Sand Fly International at July 16, 2017 07:42 PM (BO/km)
I like this idea.
Posted by: wooga at July
or you could get a real cord and lasso a hobo with the charger and collect tips for watching him flop on the parking lot like street performers.
Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:43 PM (0wem/)
Posted by: The Gimp! at July 16, 2017 07:43 PM (jdWK0)
Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:40 PM (0wem/)
For you nice - for liberal Yankees it is awful & full of large spiders that eat people
Posted by: Batterup at July 16, 2017 07:43 PM (mtGE/)
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at July 16, 2017 07:44 PM (/qEW2)
As for Tesla, Wall Street must be betting on the Gigafactory to be the successful. If the Model 3's are really out there at $35K, we'll know whether they are a car company. Also, I believe the subsidies go away once each manufacturer sells 200,000 with subsidy offered. If they come close to hitting monthly production targets, we won't be bitching about these subsidies this time next year. If they don't hit car production and sales targets, who will buy all those batteries? I'm not ready to buy solar roof shingles and a big battery to partially power my house. But there may be enough well-to-do virtue signallers to get it going.
TL;DR - not ready to buy TSLA, would buy some SpaceX.
Posted by: chuckR at July 16, 2017 07:44 PM (qS1uX)
Posted by: bergerbilder at July 16, 2017 07:44 PM (lIZQs)
You can still sell a pre-IPO company with no profits but you better have a plan to get to profitability that is realistic or a piece of technology that will greatly enhance a companies existing technology or you won't be selling for much.
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Or you sell into a market that they want to be in.
Posted by: MJ AOS at July 16, 2017 07:44 PM (mHBj7)
Posted by: freaked at July 16, 2017 07:39 PM (BO/km)
Like diesel-electric locomotives.
Posted by: Iowa Bob at July 16, 2017 07:44 PM (mrsAC)
tesla owners who have ordered a p90D ludicrous, but not taken
delivery, can upgrade to the 100kwh battery pack for $10,000. Existing
P90D ludicrous owners can also upgrade to a 100kWh pack, but for
$20,000, as their used 90kWh pack will have to be recycled.
$10,000 to recycle a fucking battery??? So I guess this means if you need a new battery for this POS its going to cost 20K.
10K to recycle a fucking battery??????
really?
Somebody better sleep with their hands above the covers at night.
.
.
.I think they are gouging the recycle costs to generate some profit. IIRC Ford said it was $800 to recycle the battery in the wife's fusion.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 16, 2017 07:44 PM (0pcwX)
Posted by: wooga at July
You could make it so you plug it in to your gas filler.
Posted by: Save The Sand Fly International at July 16, 2017 07:46 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
It depends on whose ox is getting gored
Posted by: nsirchov at July 16, 2017 07:46 PM (jpgqw)
Posted by: Walker at July 16, 2017 07:46 PM (IflZ6)
lol. They're in Waco. I'm going down there in a couple of weeks with
some friends from Kansas to visit the Gaines' design store, Magnolia
Market. I expect a lot of Chinese crap that's way too expensive.
Posted by: sinalco at July
let me know how it goes. seems that they may be nice people but she has some kind of thing against walls.
what is waco like as a place to have a home?
Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:40 PM (0wem/)
If you watch, , and if I am to stay married I do, the vast majority, if not all of their customers request an "Open floor plan".
They are by all accounts nice family people, self made and, gasp, Christians. They make people happy.
Posted by: Javems at July 16, 2017 07:46 PM (yOqwj)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 16, 2017 07:39 PM (FI864)
I have a towel. lol. Had to do that once on a ride home thru Debeque canyon. Guy had bike problems. Was getting late. One of his buds strong legged it thru the canyon. Had to do the p-pad shuffle. I got stuck on the back of Wolffies bike fender with a towel. Stranger things have happened.
Posted by: Infidel at July 16, 2017 07:47 PM (gDoff)
Posted by: muthaucker at July 16, 2017 07:47 PM (XtT5R)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 16, 2017 07:47 PM (PXj2C)
Posted by: MJ AOS at July 16, 2017 07:47 PM (mHBj7)
Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 16, 2017 07:39 PM (rnAwa)
If you ever cleaned a hookah you would know why. For Rio Linda listeners, a hookah is a bong. Lot of carbon build up. Turks are taking over. They invented the hookah and Camel cigarettes. nvm
Posted by: charleyhorse at July 16, 2017 07:47 PM (+kahX)
Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:40 PM (0wem/)
For you nice - for liberal Yankees it is awful & full of large spiders that eat people
Posted by: Batterup at July
well, we may have to put that on the maybe list. probably easy to pick up enough used walls cheap to build a whole house.
Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:47 PM (0wem/)
Posted by: freaked at July 16, 2017 07:47 PM (BO/km)
Guess its time to hit the rack, good night everyone
Posted by: Skip at July 16, 2017 07:47 PM (9g/6M)
Yea, but you still better have a solid business. I remember raising money with VC's and debt with banks pre-crash days. The room used to be filled with snot nosed kids right out of B school armed with nothing more than spreadsheets. They literally had no idea what business was all about because they had never really worked in one.
You could tell them anything as long as you threw in enough buzzwords, sticky eyeballs was a particular favorite of mine. The values they were handing out based on nothing but bullshit was amazing.
You don't see many of those kids in the room anymore.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 16, 2017 07:48 PM (/tuJf)
really?
Somebody better sleep with their hands above the covers at night.
Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at July 16, 2017 07:42 PM (aMlLZ)
It's a Lithium battery. Part of the cost is transporting it by mule.
Posted by: Kindltot at July 16, 2017 07:49 PM (mkDpn)
@ Peaches at July 16, 2017 07:19
google Shell/Ferrari gas commercial. Absolutely hands down best IC car commercial ever! I listen now and then - puts a smile on my face each time.
Posted by: chuckR at July 16, 2017 07:49 PM (qS1uX)
Posted by: nsirchov at July 16, 2017 07:50 PM (jpgqw)
$10,000 to recycle a fucking battery??? So I guess this means if you need a new battery for this POS its going to cost 20K.
10K to recycle a fucking battery??????
really?
Somebody better sleep with their hands above the covers at night.
Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at July 16, 2017 07:42 PM (aMlLZ)
At current prices, here in Canada, the 50-gallon fuel tank in my Suburban costs me about $140 to fill from near-empty. And I can drive 600 miles on that. For the $20,000 that it costs for that 100kWh battery pack ( and not including the electricity), I could drive 71,000 miles.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 16, 2017 07:50 PM (XUcIQ)
I like this idea.
Posted by: wooga at July
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-OR-
You could just say "Fuck you hippy boy. Whatcha gonna do about it" when a birckenstock wearing Prius driver asks you why you parked in *their* spot.
I like THIS idea.
Posted by: fixerupper at July 16, 2017 07:51 PM (vIjh1)
They are by all accounts nice family people, self made and, gasp, Christians. They make people happy.
Posted by: Javems at July
well there are certainly lots of worse things on television. It is not really so bad.
I do not get the whole open floor plan thing. Really, I do not get house fads. Why would you want to build something that is going to go out of fashion? I like my clothes to wear out before they go out of fashion and expect the same from my house.
Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:51 PM (0wem/)
Unfortunately Musk hasn't produced anything close to justifying his subsidies.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 16, 2017 07:53 PM (IDPbH)
Fuck. That. I might let some back warmer ride the fender (I still have the back pegs) but there is no way I'd do that.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 16, 2017 07:53 PM (FI864)
Are they building them for China? If not, why not?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 16, 2017 07:53 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:51 PM (0wem/)
Let me tell you about that deal on Chinese drywall . . .
Posted by: Kindltot at July 16, 2017 07:54 PM (mkDpn)
Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:54 PM (0wem/)
Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:47 PM (0wem/)
I've never actually been there, but it's the home of Baylor University.
These people, though, who bought a house in Waco think it's the Wild West. Oh well...
http://preview.tinyurl.com/ycxnv4m3 (foxnews)
Posted by: sinalco at July 16, 2017 07:54 PM (yODqO)
Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:54 PM (0wem/)
did you make that up? because if you did you deserve a gold star.
very, very funny.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at July 16, 2017 07:55 PM (WTSFk)
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Asian Scandis building cars in Jesusland?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 16, 2017 07:56 PM (PXj2C)
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at July 16, 2017 07:56 PM (WTSFk)
....On the rare occasions when I go there, I always make it a point to burn a Parlie in the parking lot before I leave. Even if I don't feel like it.
Posted by: Peaches at July 16, 2017 07:33 PM (EgOr3)
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That cracks me up.
Posted by: Zombie Dali at July 16, 2017 07:57 PM (0jtPF)
Posted by: charleyhorse at July 16, 2017 07:57 PM (+kahX)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 16, 2017 07:58 PM (0jtPF)
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at July 16, 2017 07:56 PM (WTSFk)
Not really. It's a jelly bean car, like nearly every other recent model car. Looks like the designer was worried it might get shoved up his ass, and made it nice and smooth to minimize the discomfort.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 16, 2017 07:59 PM (XUcIQ)
Posted by: charleyhorse at July 16, 2017 07:59 PM (+kahX)
Posted by: charleyhorse at July 16, 2017 07:57 PM (+kahX)
But he will never get to bang Jane Russell, will he?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 16, 2017 08:00 PM (XUcIQ)
Wind power w/out subsidies: not sustainable
Electric cars w/out subsides: not sustainable
Health insurance w/out subsidies: not sustainable
Question: what do these all have in common?
Asking for a friend.
Posted by: ibguy at July 16, 2017 08:01 PM (vUcdz)
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 16, 2017 08:02 PM (IDPbH)
Posted by: chuckR at July 16, 2017 08:02 PM (qS1uX)
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at July 16, 2017 07:27 PM (/qEW2)
Of course. There is a loss contingent upon every conversion from one form of energy to another. TANSTAAFL
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
To actually do "work", you have to get the steam to a high enough "density" to turn a turbine, either to then turn a generator or gear it to a drive train.
Heat engines vary in thermodynamic efficiency, but steam power plants (whether they use coal of nuclear fission) are from 33-39% efficient. Meaning, a lot of heat energy is needed before you can get the steam hot and dense enough to do work.
Tired steam is recovered from the turbine and re-heated, but you still are up against the laws of thermodynamics. There ain't no free lunch.
Internal combustion engines can be as much as 60% thermodynamically efficient. Meaning, 60% of the chemical energy from gas or diesel is turned into meaningful work by the engine. 40% is lost due to heat and other inefficiencies.
They aren't all that efficient. But powering cars with an IC engine (gas) or external combustion (diesel) versus making a battery powered car is much more efficient and a better use of resources.
Think of a power plant that uses tons of coal just to get the water hot enough to do work. Coal is cheaper than refined gasoline by a lot, but it is only practical when used in a big power plant.
Nuclear fired steam generators are also expensive to run, and some of the older plants are being closed down because it is cheaper to build gas turbine power plants (powered by cheaper natural gas) than to run the old nuclear plants. The last operating unit at Three Mile Island is being closed down because of this.
Gas turbine power plants basically burn natural gas to spin a turbine (a lot like a jet engine) and the turbine turns a generator. Actually pretty efficient and cheap to operate. Utilities used to use these for peak load generation, because they were easy to turn on and spool up, and then could be shut down easy. Required very little manning. A million kilowatt (megawatt) coal fired power plant might have 10-12 thousand employees, working multiple shifts.
Now, they are starting to become baseline power generators because of cheap natural gas.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at July 16, 2017 08:02 PM (S6Pax)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 16, 2017 08:00 PM (XUcIQ)
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Bang her? I just wanted to stabilize those wild cans.
Posted by: Zombie Howard Hughes at July 16, 2017 08:02 PM (PXj2C)
Posted by: muthaucker at July 16, 2017 07:47 PM (XtT5R)
What subsidies?
Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 16, 2017 08:02 PM (P/kVC)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 16, 2017 07:50 PM (XUcIQ)
And that's with you driving a gas pig.
I have a new mazda 6 with a stick. It costs me under $30 to fill, it takes takes about 13.5 gallons to fill, and I'll get 475 miles on a tank on the highway. The worst it ever got was maybe 375 miles on a tank, and that was with the AC on the entire time and 100% local driving. Not to mention its probably $60K cheaper to buy to start with. The tesla would owe me money, lots of money...and hookers..and booze.
Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at July 16, 2017 08:03 PM (aMlLZ)
Posted by: DaveM at July 16, 2017 08:04 PM (FNtbC)
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 16, 2017 08:04 PM (IDPbH)
Posted by: Strip Joint Near Airport at July 16, 2017 08:04 PM (bc2Lc)
Posted by: Moose17 at July 16, 2017 08:05 PM (qzf8l)
Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:40 PM (0wem/)
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TURN BACK NOW
Posted by: TexasDan at July 16, 2017 08:05 PM (yL25O)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 16, 2017 07:53 PM (FI864)
It was 20 yea ago. We were young. It was Sunday early evening and we all had to work the next day. We went slow. Only about 35 miles.
Posted by: Infidel at July 16, 2017 08:05 PM (gDoff)
Posted by: charleyhorse at July 16, 2017 07:57 PM (+kahX)
But he will never get to bang Jane Russell, will he?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 16, 2017 08:00 PM (XUcIQ)
Amber Heard. Not JM but no slouch either.
Posted by: charleyhorse at July 16, 2017 08:06 PM (+kahX)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:06 PM (SRKgf)
Have fun in Cancun. You're having a second honeymoon with the Rev., you are not cooking, and there are plenty of tables and bar counters to dance on.
May your vacation be epic!
Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 16, 2017 08:07 PM (hyuyC)
At least Musk isn't (at least to my knowledge) anti-American, unlike Steyer.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:07 PM (SRKgf)
Elon Mush couldn't carry Howard's jockstrap.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 16, 2017 08:07 PM (5VlCp)
Posted by: TexasDan at July 16, 2017 08:08 PM (yL25O)
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at July 16, 2017 08:02 PM (S6Pax)
Don't you mean Turbine, rather than Diesel?
Posted by: bergerbilder at July 16, 2017 08:09 PM (lIZQs)
Posted by: TexasDan at July 16, 2017 08:10 PM (yL25O)
Posted by: MJ AOS at July 16, 2017 08:10 PM (mHBj7)
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But, but...everyone is moving their business to New York!
Posted by: New York State TV ad at July 16, 2017 08:11 PM (OdK9v)
Posted by: Elon Musk at July 16, 2017 08:12 PM (hsb2w)
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 16, 2017 08:12 PM (IDPbH)
Posted by: bergerbilder at July 16, 2017 08:13 PM (lIZQs)
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 16, 2017 07:53 PM (IDPbH)
And the national benefit from the project was ... what? We put guys on the moon - cool - and added a shitload to the national debt. Not so cool. What we got out of it? Bragging rights.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:13 PM (SRKgf)
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That was the optional Range Extender.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 16, 2017 08:14 PM (PXj2C)
Posted by: Jeffersonian at July 16, 2017 08:14 PM (xiOrX)
*awaits "Send Lawyers, Guns, and Money" email from grammie*
Posted by: The Horde at July 16, 2017 08:15 PM (OdK9v)
So was the Vietnam War.
One cost less in blood and treasure and was effective.
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 16, 2017 08:15 PM (pV/54)
Just driving back from my ball game (in the blazing heat, I might add) I saw a Prius with bumper stickers that read "Resist," "Where's the revolution," and "Bernie 2016."
I sure they've cleaned up the accident that guy had. Apparently someone in an old shitty car ran him off the road.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:16 PM (SRKgf)
Run the numbers on how big the turn radius has to be at 700mph to keep the cornering forces on your body reasonable. Fighter pilots can take 6Gs; apparently some can take up to 9Gs before blacking out. Roller coasters top out at less than 3Gs. Railroads plan on people being up and moving around and they shoot for 0.2Gs.
Know how people throw around 1G cornering like it matters for cars? At 1G cornering, net acceleration is 1.4Gs 45 degrees to the ground. The car will be attempting to cram your ass into the crack between the seat bolster and the door. Unless you are a pretend racer lapping on a track day, not at all a pleasant experience.
Posted by: chuckR at July 16, 2017 08:16 PM (qS1uX)
The technology breakthroughs. Hundreds of them. I guess you could debate the cost projection analysis. It's my opinion those breakthroughs were worth it.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 16, 2017 08:16 PM (IDPbH)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:13 PM (SRKgf)
....
And Velcro.
I can no longer control the eyeroll when I am lectured about the side benefits society has received as a result of the space program.
As if Velcro would never, ever have been invented any other way.
Posted by: TexasDan at July 16, 2017 08:17 PM (yL25O)
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 16, 2017 08:17 PM (pV/54)
Just went outside now, and it's almost still. Slight East wind, scarcely a breeze. Completely socked in, and the air is full of forest fire smoke from somewhere. Hazy, visibility about three miles. Feels ominous, but I can't see any weather coming.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 16, 2017 08:17 PM (XUcIQ)
Posted by: MJ AOS
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A visit from Shit Midas would fold Tesla within six months.
Posted by: The Horde at July 16, 2017 08:17 PM (OdK9v)
Posted by: torabora at July 16, 2017 08:17 PM (//RY/)
So was the Vietnam War.
One cost less in blood and treasure and was effective.
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 16, 2017 08:15 PM (pV/54)
Effective at doing what?
Just because we can do something doesn't mean we should do it.
So one waste cost us less than the other waste. That's hardly a ringing endorsement for either one.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:18 PM (SRKgf)
If we can can a defense department, why can't we have free college and national health care and free Teslas???
Posted by: Sen Burnedout Sanders at July 16, 2017 08:18 PM (ILitO)
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 16, 2017 08:17 PM (pV/54)
Watch out for the TexasDan eye roll.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 16, 2017 08:19 PM (IDPbH)
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 16, 2017 08:17 PM (pV/54)
Please. As if modern communications depended on the moon project. Let's not convolve rocketry with the moon project, OK?
And please don't bring up "Tang." Thanks.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:19 PM (SRKgf)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 16, 2017 07:27 PM
~~~~~
Stayed in a hotel in Seoul that had glass walls around the bathroom. It did have a curtain that you could pull over, thank God.
Also, there are a lot of houses that do not have doors on the master bath. To each his own, I guess.
Posted by: IrishEi at July 16, 2017 08:19 PM (HiDrR)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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It's quiet...too quiet.
Posted by: The Calm Before the Storm at July 16, 2017 08:19 PM (OdK9v)
Posted by: bergerbilder at July 16, 2017 08:13 PM (lIZQs)
...
We should bottle the exhaust of the factories that make their batteries and the power plants, and then make all electric cars have a device that emits that exhaust into the car cabin as they drive at a commensurate rate to the use of electricity.
I have it on good authority these things are zero emission, so there shouldn't be any objection.
Posted by: TexasDan at July 16, 2017 08:20 PM (yL25O)
"And the national benefit from the project was ... "
Satellite technology (gps, internet, phone, defense, weather, etc....)
Posted by: bergerbilder at July 16, 2017 08:20 PM (lIZQs)
And please don't bring up "Tang." Thanks.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:19 PM (SRKgf)
Hey! It got a nice modern sound stage built at Area 51.
/
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 16, 2017 08:21 PM (XUcIQ)
We need to subsidize Elon on a blast to the fucking moon and see if he can make it back on his own.
Posted by: Fritz at July 16, 2017 07:13 PM
He can return in his electric space ship powered by solar energy.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 16, 2017 08:21 PM (IqV8l)
Velcro was invented by a Swiss engineer in 1955.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velcro
Maybe he was part of the Swiss space program.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:21 PM (SRKgf)
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 16, 2017 08:17 PM (pV/54)
Watch out for the TexasDan eye roll.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 16, 2017 08:19 PM (IDPbH)
...
They're stuck now you inconsiderate morons.
Posted by: TexasDan at July 16, 2017 08:21 PM (yL25O)
Posted by: chavez the hugo
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When looking at houses last, we saw one of those, in the master bedroom. Bizarre.
Posted by: The Calm Before the Storm at July 16, 2017 08:22 PM (OdK9v)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 16, 2017 08:22 PM (IqV8l)
Posted by: The Calm Before the Storm at July 16, 2017 08:19 PM (OdK9v)
The drumming! The drumming has stopped.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 16, 2017 08:22 PM (XUcIQ)
Musk is a fantastic showman, but there are lots of reports from his early days in the business that reveal he had no clue when it came to engineering.
Posted by: bonhomme at July 16, 2017 08:23 PM (f+t3r)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 16, 2017 08:23 PM (39g3+)
God only knows there are still liberals who think the USSR would have still collapsed if Carter had defeated Reagan in 1980.
Posted by: Sen Burnedout Sanders at July 16, 2017 08:24 PM (ILitO)
Posted by: bergerbilder at July 16, 2017 08:20 PM (lIZQs)
Would this be a bad time to point out that most of the satellite technology was military in origin?
And the internet had f-all to do with NASA. That started out as a DARPA venture, and hence was also military.
Putting guys on the moon was purely and simply a dick-measuring exercise. Now I'm with that, in principle, if there's no better use for the money.
At this point, I think NASA has outlived whatever usefulness it ever had.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:24 PM (SRKgf)
"NASA burned through billions but I think we are better for it as no
private entity would have taken that project with no profit in sight".
"And the national benefit from the project was ... "
Satellite technology (gps, internet, phone, defense, weather, etc....)
.
.
.More efficient ICBM's, advanced Radar, MRI's, smoke detectors, cordless tools, etc........
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 16, 2017 08:24 PM (0pcwX)
But back in the 1960s you would not have gotten private financing for rocketry.
Moon Spending overlapped with our Missile Defense.
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 16, 2017 08:24 PM (pV/54)
Velcro was invented by a Swiss engineer in 1955.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velcro
Maybe he was part of the Swiss space program.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:21 PM (SRKgf)
...
Oh, I can't wait to get back to my friend at Fermi who was arguing for the benefits of NASA and listed that one. I think he's probably still a decent physicist and all but boy does he love government money.
Posted by: TexasDan at July 16, 2017 08:25 PM (yL25O)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:25 PM (SRKgf)
And please don't bring up "Tang." Thanks.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
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But, but...we owe all modern technology to the space program!
Posted by: Conventional wisdom at July 16, 2017 08:26 PM (OdK9v)
Posted by: said nooneever at July 16, 2017 08:26 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: Moose17 at July 16, 2017 08:26 PM (qzf8l)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:19 PM (SRKgf)
Hey! It got a nice modern sound stage built at Area 51.
/
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 16, 2017 08:21 PM (XUcIQ)
Yup....Loved Tang! Is it still around? Nothing like fake orange juice out of a jar. Prepper food before preppers.
The TV commercials were the best.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 16, 2017 08:26 PM (5VlCp)
At this point, I think NASA has outlived whatever usefulness it ever had.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:24 PM (SRKgf)
If the Government hadn't wasted money on NASA, they'd have wasted it trying to teach Africans to wash their dicks.
Oh, wait....
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 16, 2017 08:27 PM (XUcIQ)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 16, 2017 08:27 PM (IqV8l)
Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 08:27 PM (0wem/)
Velcro was invented by a Swiss engineer in 1955.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velcro
Maybe he was part of the Swiss space program.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:21 PM (SRKgf)
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The Swiss space program came up with Velcro and decided to call it a day.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 16, 2017 08:28 PM (PXj2C)
Posted by: MJ AOS at July 16, 2017 08:28 PM (mHBj7)
Heh. I'm actually drinking Tang right now. No lie.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 16, 2017 08:28 PM (IDPbH)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 16, 2017 08:29 PM (IqV8l)
Posted by: Conventional wisdom
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**snort**
Posted by: Jack Kilby at July 16, 2017 08:29 PM (OdK9v)
Posted by: Hillary Rodman Clintown at July 16, 2017 08:29 PM (ILitO)
Posted by: The Brown Dirt Cowboy at July 16, 2017 08:29 PM (Tyii7)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
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So far, most do.
I've thought of installing a connector on my truck, just to get the parking place.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 16, 2017 08:30 PM (OdK9v)
Seriously? The research and development associated with the space program was amazing. Well until Barky McFuckstick made a happy feelz program for muslim outreach.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 16, 2017 08:31 PM (FI864)
Posted by: shibumi at July 16, 2017 08:31 PM (aT+Bx)
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at July 16, 2017 08:32 PM (ILitO)
Heh. I'm actually drinking Tang right now. No lie.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 16, 2017 08:28 PM (IDPbH)
You Sir, are a man among men. Salute!
I am gonna find some on my travels in my AO.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 16, 2017 08:32 PM (5VlCp)
Yes, and ours was bigger than Ivan's and the World knew it. The cherry on top of the related military missile spending in the 1960s. A big part of winning the Cold Was was psychological.
Now if only LBJ hadn't escalated in Vietnam ...
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 16, 2017 08:32 PM (pV/54)
I have a feeling that a lot of people think that electric vehicle charging stations will supply electricity at no charge.
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So far, most do.
Who is paying for it?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 16, 2017 08:33 PM (IqV8l)
I've thought of installing a connector on my truck, just to get the parking place.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 16, 2017 08:30 PM (OdK9v)
Use it to run a small domestic air conditioner, to keep the truck cab cool while it's parked.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 16, 2017 08:33 PM (XUcIQ)
You can no longer by space food sticks.
I has a sadz.
They relabled them as "Begin's Strips"
Posted by: Bruce at July 16, 2017 08:33 PM (8ikIW)
The amount of spending on the moon program is a speck of the deficit compared to entitlements.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 16, 2017 08:34 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Hildi Santo-Tomas at July 16, 2017 08:35 PM (0m0zi)
First, only a day or two ago there was a story here on AOSHQ about the government subsidy of something like a buck forty per package going to Amazon for every item they sell. Wow! That is really big, and it has created a fortune for a guy who may soon be the richest man in the history of the world -- all at our expense. Of course, as a long time user of Amazon -- I buy two or three items a week from them and have for more than a decade -- I am benefiting from this subsidy, so who am I to complain.
Second, someone up above mentioned that Teslas couldn't possibly work out in the middle of the desert west. Well, I live in Moab, UT and we have a two-car charging station right here. The other day I walked by and there was a couple sitting there in their Tesla getting a fill-up.
Gasoline and diesel internal combustion engines are going to be around for a long time yet, but it cannot go on forever and there needs to be a phase-in period for any new technology. The automobile did not replace the horse and buggy overnight, it only seems like it from our far distant future perspective.
Posted by: Ruthless at July 16, 2017 08:35 PM (GDtEt)
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 16, 2017 08:24 PM (0pcwX)
Please. Spare me.
More efficient ICBMs and advanced radar = military research.
MRI has absolutely fucking nothing to do with NASA. MRI developed from the advance in NMR from continuous wave to Fourier transform methodology, which allowed spin relaxations times to be deduced from free induction decays. Lauterbur and later Damadian realized that instead of using NMR as a spectometric tool (determining e.g., the chemical shifts of the various protons), it could be used as an imagine tool by characterizing the spin relaxation time of the protons of ONE chemical shift.
Nothing to do with NASA.
Smoke detectors depend on use an alpha-emitting isotope of americium to ionize the air/smoke. Thanks Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory for discovery/synthesis of americium.
Again, nothing to do with NASA.
Cordless tools are down to the development of Li ion batteries by a former colleague of mine.
Nothing to do with NASA.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:36 PM (SRKgf)
They make it in liquid and I just squirt it into my bottled water.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 16, 2017 08:36 PM (IDPbH)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:36 PM (SRKgf)
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at July 16, 2017 08:37 PM (ILitO)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 16, 2017 08:37 PM (FI864)
You can no longer by space food sticks.
I has a sadz.
They relabled them as "Begin's Strips"
Posted by: Bruce at July 16, 2017 08:33 PM (8ikIW)
If I remember right, they had chocolate and peanut butter.
Both tasted vaguely of ass and sawdust.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 16, 2017 08:37 PM (5VlCp)
In his Carrying the Fire, Mike Collins points out the dichotomy of HEW money transfers in the trillions to NASA's billion. LBJ chose ... unwisely.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 16, 2017 08:38 PM (hyuyC)
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 16, 2017 08:36 PM (IDPbH)
Cool! Thanks Jack! I will keep my eyes peeled for it.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 16, 2017 08:39 PM (5VlCp)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 16, 2017 08:31 PM (FI864)
The engineering associated with the space program was amazing. Engineering = application of known technology.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:39 PM (SRKgf)
Posted by: Ruthless at July 16, 2017 08:39 PM (GDtEt)
Posted by: Bruce at July 16, 2017 08:39 PM (8ikIW)
Just a curiosity thing more than anything, but it's a bit risque. Should I wait for the ONT?
Posted by: Tickled Pink at July 16, 2017 08:39 PM (smD62)
There was not a room full of NASA people inventing things. They had a need and had others create them.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 16, 2017 08:39 PM (IDPbH)
http://www.sfgate.com/aboutsfgate/article/ Feminist-scientists-say-citing-research-by-11292292.php
Feminist scientists say citing research by straight, white men promotes 'a system of oppression'
Kristine Phillips, The Washington Post Published 12:09 pm, Sunday, July 16, 2017
"Academics and scholars must be mindful about using research done by only straight, white men, according to two scientists who argued that it oppresses diverse voices and bolsters the status of already privileged and established white male scholars.
Geographers Carrie Mott and Daniel Cockayne argued in a recent paper that doing so also perpetuates what they call "white heteromasculinism," which they defined as a "system of oppression" that benefits only those who are "white, male, able-bodied, economically privileged, heterosexual, and cisgendered." (Cisgendered describes people whose gender identity matches their birth sex.)
Mott, a professor at Rutgers University in New Jersey, and Cockayne, who teaches at the University of Waterloo in Ontario, argued that scholars or researchers disproportionately cite the work of white men, thereby unfairly adding credence to the body of knowledge they offer while ignoring the voices of other groups, like women and black male academics."
Beyond parody.
Posted by: zombie at July 16, 2017 08:39 PM (DQ4Fv)
Posted by: Charles the Simple at July 16, 2017 08:40 PM (w7U7L)
Posted by: Ruthless at July 16, 2017 08:40 PM (GDtEt)
This is like saying I exist only because of ESPN's hype. Come on, I played an entire year of college basketball. How many people can say that?
Posted by: Lonzo Ball, (c) ESPN at July 16, 2017 08:41 PM (pszv/)
"If you are a dumpy white guy and wrote a stupid paper nobody cites then you can change your gender identity and get some cites from the pity pit."
Posted by: zombie at July 16, 2017 08:42 PM (DQ4Fv)
(And they think we usual lurkers are not paying attention.)
Posted by: Ruthless at July 16, 2017 08:42 PM (GDtEt)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:39 PM (SRKgf)
Pffffffffffft! Enginerds bring the dreams of research scientists to life.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 16, 2017 08:43 PM (FI864)
Lol no not about the peas. And dang it, I am trying to get over the peas!
I'm not entirely sure how peas can be risque lol
Posted by: Tickled Pink at July 16, 2017 08:43 PM (smD62)
Posted by: Ruthless at July 16, 2017 08:43 PM (GDtEt)
http://tinyurl.com/hdau3u8
'Murica!
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 16, 2017 08:37 PM (FI864)
In the 1960s NASA inspired a nation. The technology was driven by a goal, but IMHO, it was a better use of government money than the Great Society. Alas for our lack of vision.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 16, 2017 08:38 PM (hyuyC)
My point is ... nuanced. Suppose we'd faked the moon landing, and no one was the wiser. The defense applications of the space program would have happened in any case, obviously.
The research implications of the civilian space program I will maintain were de minimus. Shooting some schoolteacher into space to get atomized there was when NASA jumped the shark, and implicitly admitted they were just jerking off in a modern day version of bread and circuses.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:43 PM (SRKgf)
Some advances were also not just speculative but really expensive. Because of this they often come out of military spending.
Going to the Moon was the cherry on the top of our military spending in the 1960s.
If it weren't for the Space Race driven by the Cold War we might still not have sattelites.
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 16, 2017 08:44 PM (pV/54)
A GOP donor and opposition researcher who said he tried to work with Russian hackers to retrieve deleted emails from a private server used by Hillary Clinton, has died in a suicide, according to public records cited in a Chicago Tribune report.
Peter Smith killed himself days after an interview with The Wall Street Journal in which he said he sought out Russian hackers to try to retrieve some 33,000 deleted Clinton emails and pass them to Michael Flynn, then a campaign adviser to Donald Trump.
Death records from Minnesota show that Smith, 81, died in a hotel of "asphyxiation due to displacement of oxygen in confined space with helium" on May 14. Smith was found with a note that said there was "NO FOUL PLAY WHATSOEVER" regarding his death.
because God only knows that if I ever murdered someone, I would NEVER leave a note that said "NO FOUL PLAY WHATSOEVER". Also interesting that he died 2 months ago.
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at July 16, 2017 08:44 PM (ILitO)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead
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While that is true, the big semi firms were by driven by potential huge consumer/industrial markets. The space program did not amount to spit for them, by comparison.
Kilby developed the first IC before NASA even existed.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 16, 2017 08:45 PM (OdK9v)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 16, 2017 08:43 PM (FI864)
Yeah, but NASA apologists point to all the breakthroughs NASA made. Those were made by research scientists, and USED by NASA.
So let's keep the accounting straight.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:45 PM (SRKgf)
Posted by: Ruthless at July 16, 2017 08:45 PM (GDtEt)
Seriously though, it was a directed engineering project, which did not quite invent all the neat doodads that a lot of people attribute to it, but it did accelerate development of certain technologies.
But the Air Force actually had a very evolutionary plan to get men into space.
The follow up to the very successful X-15 rocket plane was the X-20 Dyna Soar vehicle, which would eventually reach orbit. It was a space plane, designed in the late '50's, early '60's. But it was a mil design, and therefore got scrapped by edict when NASA took over all manned space flight.
But the Air Force got even in the 1970's, because the Space Shuttle size was designed largely to Air Force requirements to be able to life the Keyhole satellites into orbit.
Which the Space Shuttle actually never did.
So, who got the last laugh, huh?
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at July 16, 2017 08:46 PM (S6Pax)
MRI developed from the advance in NMR from continuous wave to Fourier
transform methodology, which allowed spin relaxations times to be
deduced from free induction decays. Lauterbur and later Damadian
realized that instead of using NMR as a spectometric tool (determining
e.g., the chemical shifts of the various protons), it could be used as
an imagine tool by characterizing the spin relaxation time of the protons of ONE chemical shift.
...Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
You know nothing of my work.
Posted by: Raymond Vahan Damadian at July 16, 2017 08:46 PM (LAe3v)
Posted by: charleyhorse at July 16, 2017 08:46 PM (+kahX)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 16, 2017 08:29 PM (IqV8l)
It's only fair.
- Libtard SJW
Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 16, 2017 08:46 PM (P/kVC)
Twelve. Hours.
The Tesla owner is a retired business owner worth a bundle, but yeah, he took the subsidy, too.
Posted by: Beverly at July 16, 2017 08:46 PM (Eet+Z)
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at July 16, 2017 08:46 PM (ILitO)
And this justifies the spending on NASA - the civilian side - how?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:46 PM (SRKgf)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 16, 2017 08:47 PM (IqV8l)
Settle down Spike. This is just a discussion.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 16, 2017 08:47 PM (IDPbH)
Posted by: Tickled Pink
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One caused me a sleepless night.
Posted by: The Princess at July 16, 2017 08:47 PM (OdK9v)
Posted by: bonhomme at July 16, 2017 08:47 PM (f+t3r)
You're shorting a battery. Put enough copper in and it'll scream. As it is they probably have to limit it in software lest they get one of those pesky little fires.
Posted by: t-bird at July 16, 2017 08:48 PM (OBJWS)
Posted by: Ruthless at July 16, 2017 08:49 PM (GDtEt)
If Tang is the Capt Krunch of non-carbonated ass water what does that make Funny Face? No. Don't say it. KaBoom?
Posted by: charleyhorse at July 16, 2017 08:46 PM
Drink Injun Orange and Chinese Cherry!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 16, 2017 08:49 PM (IqV8l)
free electricity, maroons, now shut up and pay for my solar panels
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at July 16, 2017 08:49 PM (ILitO)
But, nowadays, pretty much any standard Netflix series, or heck primetime series on network TV has sex scenes, right?
Something I have noticed, is almost always, they have the dude open the condom with his teeth. Why is this? Is this one of those film/tv myths?
Again....just a curiosity of mine. It seems like a weird thing to do.
Posted by: Tickled Pink at July 16, 2017 08:49 PM (smD62)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 16, 2017 08:50 PM (oVJmc)
Aren't single-payer utilities a basic human right?
Posted by: t-bird at July 16, 2017 08:50 PM (zEjuG)
Geographers are scientists now?
Posted by: bonhomme
Sure, why not. Right alongside the geologists.
Posted by: Dr. Sheldon Cooper at July 16, 2017 08:50 PM (LAe3v)
One hand is always occupied . Next question.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 16, 2017 08:50 PM (IDPbH)
MRI developed from the advance in NMR from continuous wave to Fourier transform methodology, which allowed spin relaxations times to be deduced from free induction decays.
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I invented that!
Posted by: Gauss at July 16, 2017 08:50 PM (OdK9v)
was designed largely to Air Force requirements to be able to life the
Keyhole satellites into orbit.
Which the Space Shuttle actually never did.
So, who got the last laugh, huh?</i>
Klaus Heiss. Q.v.
Posted by: Beverly at July 16, 2017 08:50 PM (Eet+Z)
Posted by: torabora at July 16, 2017 08:51 PM (//RY/)
Posted by: The Man from Athens at July 16, 2017 08:51 PM (YsLaz)
Posted by: Ruthless at July 16, 2017 08:51 PM (GDtEt)
I believe that was directly attributable to poor decision making by the PM. IIANM, Morton-Thiokol knew the ambient temps had dropped below the rating for the seals in the SRBs and had recommended they be changed. What high value, high risk organization doesnt suffer from management buffoonery?
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 16, 2017 08:51 PM (FI864)
Posted by: charleyhorse at July 16, 2017 08:51 PM (+kahX)
They're weak from lack of blood.
Posted by: Dr. Sheldon Cooper at July 16, 2017 08:52 PM (LAe3v)
Posted by: Charles the Simple at July 16, 2017 08:52 PM (w7U7L)
Posted by: Charles the Simple at July 16, 2017 08:53 PM (w7U7L)
You're mixing up the 1960s with now.
Back then it was to show our dick was bigger than Ivan's and the World knew it. Needed to be civilian in optics.
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 16, 2017 08:53 PM (pV/54)
Posted by: The Man from Athens at July 16, 2017 08:53 PM (YsLaz)
Posted by: MAxIE at July 16, 2017 08:53 PM (9TR2V)
Posted by: westminsterdogshow at July 16, 2017 08:53 PM (mMeIQ)
Posted by: IrishEi at July 16, 2017 08:53 PM (HiDrR)
But...why? I still don't entirely get it. Just unoccupy it, and use both hands. Maybe I am missing something.
@372
Yes, haha....I don't anticipate needing to know about condom usage anytime soon. It just piqued my curiosity that's all. Seemed like a really random thing to do.
Posted by: Tickled Pink at July 16, 2017 08:53 PM (smD62)
We could have a great discussion over libations on all of this.
The broader public was engaged to a greater extent than before, generating positive attitudes to technological changes. I aver that the pace of change was advanced by NASA manned space programs. We lost some mojo in the US when that was canceled. We lost a possible future as well.
The growth in income transfer programs were and continue to be America's self-inflicted sucking chest wound.
On NMR; I remember inspiring a women when I showed her a 10 mm NMR tube and a spectra and saying that there were scientists imaging a finger. She started a new career in NMR imaging for medicine. She is quite wealthy now, and I hear she has a new, younger husband.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 16, 2017 08:53 PM (hyuyC)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at July 16, 2017 08:53 PM (6FqZa)
#60 Ruthless, I drive a Range Rover
Here in Moab, a Tesla wouldn't have a chance on the Jeep trails. There are some things that are appropriate, and most vehicles (even gas or diesel ones) should stay on the pavement.
Posted by: Ruthless at July 16, 2017 08:54 PM (GDtEt)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 16, 2017 08:54 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: The Man from Athens at July 16, 2017 08:54 PM (YsLaz)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at July 16, 2017 08:54 PM (6FqZa)
Posted by: charleyhorse at July 16, 2017 08:55 PM (+kahX)
I believe that was directly attributable to poor decision making by the PM. IIANM, Morton-Thiokol knew the ambient temps had dropped below the rating for the seals in the SRBs and had recommended they be changed. What high value, high risk organization doesnt suffer from management buffoonery?
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 16, 2017 08:51 PM (FI864)
With all due respect, why the disaster happened is beside the point.
The point is why was her ass was on the Challenger in the first place? So she could teach an elementary school class from space? WTF? Can you say "PR bullshit to guarantee more funding?" I can.
If everyone on board the Challenger had been a scientist/engineer or pilot - i.e., someone who had a reason to be there, I'd be fine with it.
To shoot some soccer mom into space just for the PR was bullshit, and showed that NASA needed to have its balls cut off.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:55 PM (SRKgf)
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at July 16, 2017 08:56 PM (uuwor)
Posted by: The Man from Athens at July 16, 2017 08:56 PM (YsLaz)
--------
The first time.
The second time, it will be 2.6 seconds.
See: Exponential Decay
After a few runs, things will slow down considerably, and you may not make it home, especially if it is at night, cold, and raining.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 16, 2017 08:56 PM (OdK9v)
Posted by: Ruthless at July 16, 2017 08:56 PM (GDtEt)
Posted by: Eromero at July 16, 2017 08:57 PM (zLDYs)
But ... isn't the most important thing in science that it be factually ...
Fuck it. Never mind.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at July 16, 2017 08:57 PM (/qEW2)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 16, 2017 08:53 PM (hyuyC)
My colleagues and I laughed off a seminar by Damadian when I was at Berkeley. He was going to talk about imaging a mouse's tail. We all roared; how are you going to spin the mouse, was the standard joke.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:58 PM (SRKgf)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKRJfIPiJGY
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at July 16, 2017 08:58 PM (6FqZa)
Posted by: The Man from Athens at July 16, 2017 08:58 PM (YsLaz)
Posted by: Ruthless at July 16, 2017 08:49 PM (GDtEt)
And eminent domain is a hell of a subsidy.
Without it private space launch ventures wouldn't be doing dick.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 16, 2017 08:58 PM (P/kVC)
Yes, but think of your street cred as you show off the certificate for $10,000 in "carbon offsets" to your friends!
Posted by: t-bird at July 16, 2017 08:59 PM (pszv/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDV-dOvqKzQ
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at July 16, 2017 09:00 PM (6FqZa)
So, everyone that bus a real car is forced to subsidize Tesla - by paying for those "carbon credits" that tge co. They buy from is forced to buy from Tesla.
It's not just about direct taxpayer subsidies and tax credits for buying their cars - the indirect subsidy due to CAFE standards is enormous - Tesla could never have existed without it.
Posted by: Aaradin at July 16, 2017 09:01 PM (QvAgz)
Posted by: The Man from Athens at July 16, 2017 09:02 PM (YsLaz)
Back then it was to show our dick was bigger than Ivan's and the World knew it. Needed to be civilian in optics.
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 16, 2017 08:53 PM (pV/54)[i/]
Why? To prove we can go broke more slowly than Ivan?
If we'd spent all the money on military applications of space, what would we have lost?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 09:02 PM (SRKgf)
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 16, 2017 09:03 PM (pV/54)
Posted by: t-bird at July 16, 2017 08:59 PM (pszv/)
Business idea: printing up $10,000 carbon offset certificates and selling them for $1,000.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 09:03 PM (SRKgf)
Can we add you to the list of AoSHQ chemists?
We are not old, just conservators of memory.
Um ... OK, we're old.
Getting the pens to go was an art. Rubs nails on shirt.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 16, 2017 09:04 PM (hyuyC)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 16, 2017 09:05 PM (FI864)
Posted by: the barrel at July 16, 2017 09:09 PM (6FqZa)
What did the Great Society do, and was it worth it?
What will HIGH. SPEED. RAIL. do, and is it worth it?
In each case, yeah, there are some pluses. But there are also a lot of minuses. And one thing NASA and its defenders do that pisses me off is arrogate to themselves all sorts of things NASA had nothing to do with.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 09:10 PM (SRKgf)
Posted by: the barrel at July 16, 2017 09:11 PM (6FqZa)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 09:14 PM (SRKgf)
Yes, I agree with much of what you say. The Great Society directly helped one Grandmother, but for many, welfare payments requiring the lack of a father in the kids life led to generations forever mired in a new underclass. Daniel Patrick Moynihan, among many others, warned us back in the 1960s.
After Eisenhower left office there seemed to be a major change in the country. We started funding failure for an entire society.
The bigger issue is how to get serious leaders in charge, and how to trim the swampy underbrush to get a better country. I'm doing what I can, but it never seems to be enough.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 16, 2017 09:18 PM (hyuyC)
Would this be a bad time to point out that military use of space followed NASA, not led it? If there never was a NASA, how long would it have taken the military to catch on? I we don't need NASA now, but at the time... Oh, and I was referring to using sattelites to coonect to and through the internet, not the development of the internet itself.
Posted by: bergerbilder at July 16, 2017 09:42 PM (lIZQs)
Posted by: SMFH at July 16, 2017 09:42 PM (s5Kql)
We are blessed with your virtual presence.
And remember, sailors are romantic by nature. All that sea time.
I trust you are well.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 16, 2017 09:50 PM (hyuyC)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 16, 2017 09:52 PM (hyuyC)
Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at July 16, 2017 09:54 PM (TPimP)
$3/gal California gas would also like to be in on this conversation.
Posted by: $1.95/gal gas in Louisiana at July 16, 2017 10:02 PM (zEjuG)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 16, 2017 10:09 PM (hyuyC)
Posted by: Armand Hammer at July 16, 2017 10:44 PM (LTHVh)
But they *aren't* luxury. They lack luxury features found in a base-model Lexus ES, and they've been *removing* luxury features to reduce costs.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 17, 2017 09:13 AM (5dOnv)
Ran in any kind of weather. GREAT gas mileage. Easy to repair. Easy to maneuver. Cheap.
All that - without subsidies.
Posted by: LindaF at July 17, 2017 10:06 AM (zcSMp)
I dug this up (from Watts Up With That, Dec 2013)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/TeslaBattSwap
The guest blogger calls the battery swap a hoax. He
used to have a blog of his own called DoubtingIsThinking (dot) blogspot (dot) com -- which was an expose of how CA's laxity in doling out carbon credits was the only thing keeping Tesla "profitable"; but ALL traces of it have vanished. I assume Mr. Musk's well-paid attorneys would know how that happened.
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