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Being Told Tesla Exists Because of Tax Breaks and Subsidies Drives Elon Musk Crazy (MJ)

The truth. It hurts sometimes.

The Wall Street Journal reported this week that it drives Mr. Musk "crazy" when critics argue that his company is the creation of government subsidies and handouts. Perhaps he reacts so strongly because he knows they may have a point.

But surely there are no recent examples that show the removal of government subsidies would dry up the market for ugly, overpriced vanity cars, right?

Consider the Journal's revelations about Tesla sales in Hong Kong. After the government there, effective April 1, eliminated a tax break for those purchasing electric vehicles, the number of Tesla cars registered fell to zero. That's right. Zero.

Well shit. But that's the Far East. Everyone knows they don't care about the environment like, say, Denmark.

Nor is this unusual. When the government in Denmark in 2015 reduced generous tax breaks for electric car buyers, sales of such vehicles dropped the next year by 70 percent, the Journal reported.

Double shit.

"Tesla welcomes government policies that support our mission and make it easier for more people to buy electric vehicles," the company told the Journal in a statement. "However, our business does not rely on it."

On one hand, we could test this theory and stop subsidizing upper middle class car purchases. On the other, it does brand a certain class of douchebags with a big scarlet 'T'.

Dunno. I'm torn.

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1 Elon Mush is a tape worm on two legs.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 16, 2017 06:30 PM (5VlCp)

2 First?

Posted by: Iowa Bob at July 16, 2017 06:31 PM (mrsAC)

3 Oh, well. And yeah, Elon Musk is a parasite.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at July 16, 2017 06:31 PM (mrsAC)

4 elon musk. totally screams, buyer beware. cars for suckers.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 16, 2017 06:33 PM (KP5rU)

5 tesla, the wind turbine of cars.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 16, 2017 06:33 PM (KP5rU)

6 Elon Musk is the Petyr Baelish of our current times.

Posted by: MJ AOS at July 16, 2017 06:35 PM (mHBj7)

7 I've seen a Tesla in the charming quaint community of Alexandria Virginia. Quite a vehicle. Impressive to look at.

Still... Elon sees himself as a visionary and as such deserves the govt support... because how should you deny the obvious future, h8er

Elon ought to be set back a peg

Posted by: Former mass resident at July 16, 2017 06:35 PM (a92Gi)

8 We were discussing the Tesla at work the other day. It's fine to have an electric car in a high-density area where recharging is available, but what about going through some barren desert out west?

We also had a scheme to franchise hipster recharging stations where you could go in for your coffee while your car powers back up.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 16, 2017 06:36 PM (QGoUX)

9 Tesla should be totally cut off from all subsidies. They make some nice cars and they should just have to price them based on the cost of actually manufacturing them. People pay premiums for special cars. Shit, people pay hundreds of thousands for Bentleys, which look like total pieces of shit these days.

And the same goes for the rest of Musk's ventures. Let them live or die on their own. The feral government shouldn't be handing out money to any solar or wind or battery crap. If people want that stuff they can actually pay for it.

And even more important than all this - much, much more important - is to have the ridiculous regulations strangling the real power industry and real cars be lifted and have the EPA put to sleep, already. This "CO2 is pollution" bullshit really has to go and everyone who helped that along (and I mean everyone) should be thrown out of whatever positions they are in since they are clearly destructive idiots who can't be trusted with any power, at all.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 16, 2017 06:36 PM (rZ+mb)

10 I got to drive one. It's a nice car. Aside from the electric drive, the features were great. Very outside of the box. Very unlike Detroit or Germany, or even Japan.

We should not have to subsidize them, but it is nice to see some fun ideas

Posted by: RobM1981 at July 16, 2017 06:37 PM (VVBN7)

11 I got to drive one.

And apparently, I got to buy it for you.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at July 16, 2017 06:37 PM (6FqZa)

12 Elon Mush is a tape worm on two legs.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 16, 2017 06:30 PM (5VlCp)
Not gonna top that. Not even gonna try. Kudos, hairy dude!

Posted by: Peaches at July 16, 2017 06:38 PM (EgOr3)

13 The picture above isn't really a good representation of the new Tesla model 3. They've prettied it up for marketing purposes.

The production model basically looks like a Prius.

Posted by: MJ AOS at July 16, 2017 06:38 PM (mHBj7)

14 I got to drive one.



And apparently, I got to buy it for you.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at July 16, 2017 06:37 PM (6FqZa)
And there I go, bein' wrong again . . .

Posted by: Peaches at July 16, 2017 06:39 PM (EgOr3)

15 I'd bet my last valurite that Tesla sells to one of the big three in the next 10 years.

Posted by: MJ AOS at July 16, 2017 06:40 PM (mHBj7)

16 No Nood is not good nood

Posted by: Skip at July 16, 2017 06:40 PM (9g/6M)

17 Time to start the 'Cost of the Electric Car is Just Too Damn High' party and BOOST subsidies.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at July 16, 2017 06:40 PM (e1mEI)

18 Then stop the handouts and see if it swims so to speak

Posted by: Skip at July 16, 2017 06:41 PM (9g/6M)

19 Just heard Ann B. Davis (Brady Bunch's Alice) say "Give me another hit of that reefer" on an episode of Love American Style.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 16, 2017 06:43 PM (oVJmc)

20 I like Teslas, if I was rich....like really rich...I'd buy one. They're luxury cars, not so much for utility.

But I like the idea of pushing the tech forward.

Until they're able to go 400 miles on a single charge, I'll stick with proven IC engines.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 16, 2017 06:44 PM (xJa6I)

21 legalinsurrection.com Va. gov former electric car company zaps millions of tax dollars

Posted by: Skip at July 16, 2017 06:45 PM (9g/6M)

22 19 Just heard Ann B. Davis (Brady Bunch's Alice) say "Give me another hit of that reefer" on an episode of Love American Style.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 16, 2017 06:43 PM (oVJmc)
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With whom was Alice partying?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 16, 2017 06:46 PM (QGoUX)

23 Go ask Alice (B. Davis)...

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 16, 2017 06:46 PM (QGoUX)

24 It's nearly impossible to get on this dang blog from Cancun. Problem loading this page Problem loading this page yada yada

Posted by: grammie winger at July 16, 2017 06:46 PM (1fvpz)

25 I wonder what Kid Rock thinks about this . . .

Posted by: Peaches at July 16, 2017 06:47 PM (EgOr3)

26 Pretty much all "green" technology is catastrophically dependent on Gov't handouts of taxpayer money.

Without taxpayer's money they go belly-up.

All the dead wind farms in Europe and the US prove this as well.

Like recycling this is just another scam to get your money into their friends and families pockets.

Being connected is awesome. Just ask Board of Solyndra.

Posted by: naturalfake at July 16, 2017 06:47 PM (9q7Dl)

27 Musk is a shameless, hustling fraud in the mold of Preston Tucker.

Posted by: John DeLorean at July 16, 2017 06:48 PM (bc2Lc)

28 24 It's nearly impossible to get on this dang blog from Cancun. Problem loading this page Problem loading this page yada yada
Posted by: grammie winger at July 16, 2017 06:46 PM (1fvpz)
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The police station has lousy wifi, huh?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 16, 2017 06:48 PM (QGoUX)

29 He can keep the subsidies if Teslas have to play "Yakety Sax" while driving down the road. A silent car is a dangerous car, so if it saves one life...

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 16, 2017 06:49 PM (RZXSp)

30 I think the the pending mass release of the Tesla model 3 will either be the end of the line for Tesla, or prove that Elon really is the genus he thinks he is.

They've bet the farm on a very non-traditional approach to developing and building the model 3. By the end of the year we should know if it works.

I'd bet the whole thing blows up, but what do I know?

Posted by: Iowa Bob at July 16, 2017 06:50 PM (mrsAC)

31 28
24 It's nearly impossible to get on this dang blog from Cancun. Problem loading this page Problem loading this page yada yada

Posted by: grammie winger at July 16, 2017 06:46 PM (1fvpz)

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The police station has lousy wifi, huh?



Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 16, 2017 06:48 PM (QGoUX)

*spews adult beverage everywhere*

*wipe wipe, wipe*

Posted by: Infidel at July 16, 2017 06:51 PM (gDoff)

32 Didn't I write here at the HQ when Trump pulled out of the Paris Accords, that Elon Musk's business model just collapsed?

Why yes I did.

Posted by: JAS at July 16, 2017 06:51 PM (UnDQI)

33
*detects a whiff of ozone in the air*

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 16, 2017 06:53 PM (OdK9v)

34 The beyond-ironic part, as Bay Area residents will tell you, is that the Tesla factory is the EXACT SAME BUILDING that used to be the Solyndra factory -- another government-subsidized boondoggle-corporation that only existed because of corporate welfare handouts -- and which instantly collapsed when forced to compete in the market on its own profit-making merits.

It's right next to the freeway in Fremont, where hundreds of thousands of commuters see it every day. Like a giant Soviet monument to socialized crony capitalism.

Posted by: zombie at July 16, 2017 06:53 PM (DQ4Fv)

35 23 Go ask Alice (B. Davis)...
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 16, 2017 06:46 PM (QGoUX

I love you, Alice B. Toklas.

Posted by: bergerbilder at July 16, 2017 06:54 PM (lIZQs)

36 Elon Mush is a tape worm on two legs.

-
He's elite!

Posted by: I'm Anonosaurus Wrecks and I approved this message at July 16, 2017 06:54 PM (Nwg0u)

37 zombie, glad you changed your link photo. Not sure I want to ask, tho.

Posted by: Infidel at July 16, 2017 06:55 PM (gDoff)

38 Elon Mush is a tape worm on two legs.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 16, 2017 06:30 PM (5VlCp)
Not gonna top that. Not even gonna try. Kudos, hairy dude!
Posted by: Peaches at July 16, 2017 06:38 PM (EgOr3)

Thanks Peaches! Martini time.....

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 16, 2017 06:56 PM (5VlCp)

39 You can add Solar City to that list of Companies he owns that only exist because of Federal and State $$$$ flowing his way.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 16, 2017 06:56 PM (0pcwX)

40
28 24 It's nearly impossible to get on this dang blog from Cancun. Problem loading this page Problem loading this page yada yada
Posted by: grammie winger at July 16, 2017 06:46 PM (1fvpz)

We were in Cancun 10 days ago. I had no problem.

Posted by: Northernlurker at July 16, 2017 06:57 PM (nBr1j)

41 Given the Progressive/Enviromentalist's hatred of coal, I fail to understand their rapture over these coal-powered vehicles.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 16, 2017 06:57 PM (DMUuz)

42 I like Teslas, if I was rich....like really rich...I'd buy one. They're luxury cars, not so much for utility.

But I like the idea of pushing the tech forward.

Until they're able to go 400 miles on a single charge, I'll stick with proven IC engines.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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That's fine, but don't use money confiscated from the poorer parts of society to finance the manufacturer or your purchase.

The subsidies of electrics (regardless of configuration) represents an inexcusable and immoral transfer of wealth from the have-nots to the haves.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 16, 2017 06:58 PM (OdK9v)

43 >hot here
>checks out Houston
>WHAT THE HELL

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at July 16, 2017 06:58 PM (6FqZa)

44 The Saab/Boxster Combo


Is the engine in the back seat?

Posted by: freaked at July 16, 2017 06:59 PM (BO/km)

45 Frankly, I hope to be able to live out the rest of my life driving a fully mechanical vehicle. Fingers crossed it will be my Jeep but if not, I will buy another old, low-mileage beast.

Posted by: Peaches at July 16, 2017 06:59 PM (EgOr3)

46 I wonder how Musk feels when people tell him his cars are powered mostly by coal?

Posted by: freaked at July 16, 2017 07:00 PM (BO/km)

47 It's right next to the freeway in Fremont, where
hundreds of thousands of commuters see it every day. Like a giant
Soviet monument to socialized crony capitalism.
Posted by: zombie at July 16, 2017 06:53 PM


Isn't that part of the former NUMMI plant?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 16, 2017 07:01 PM (DMUuz)

48 Elan
noun
1.
dash; impetuous ardor:
to dance with great Úlan.

Musk
noun
1.
a substance secreted in a glandular sac under the skin of the abdomen of the male musk deer, having a strong odor

Posted by: bergerbilder at July 16, 2017 07:01 PM (lIZQs)

49 I'm all for forward progress but here's what turned me.

I used to live in Uptown Charlotte. Overnight, electric charging stations appeared with parking spaces reserved for electric vehicles. Everyday, the cars that were parked in those spaces were owned by city employees.

So we have a movement to allocate parking spaces and provide taxpayer fuel for cares subsidized by taxpayers for government officials that are paid by the taxpayer.

It's all a scam.

Posted by: MJ AOS at July 16, 2017 07:02 PM (mHBj7)

50 yeah, not spending 70-100K to drive a big camera battery.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at July 16, 2017 07:02 PM (aMlLZ)

51 46
I wonder how Musk feels when people tell him his cars are powered mostly by coal?

Posted by: freaked at July 16, 2017 07:00 PM (BO/km)
He's in California. The chances of him running into a sentient being are extremely low.

Posted by: Peaches at July 16, 2017 07:02 PM (EgOr3)

52 As I write, Megyn Kelly trying certain men for sexual harassment in absentia.

They may be guilty, but this is not how to do it.

Subtext is that this wouldn't happen if there were more women CEOs in tech.

Posted by: Ignoramus at July 16, 2017 07:02 PM (pV/54)

53 Elan
noun
1.
dash; impetuous ardor:
to dance with great Elan.


Posted by: Lotus at July 16, 2017 07:03 PM (BO/km)

54 PECO's last ( I think) coal fired plant shut down a few years ago. But a Tesla here could be run on nuclear power

Posted by: Skip at July 16, 2017 07:03 PM (9g/6M)

55 He can keep the subsidies if Teslas have to play
"Yakety Sax" while driving down the road. A silent car is a dangerous
car, so if it saves one life...
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 16, 2017 06:49 PM (RZXSp)


There was talk a good 4 years or so ago about having electric cars make some noise to make them less dangerous. I thought they should sell a variety of ringtones from "the Jetsons' aircar noise" to "Enter the Gladiators on Calliope"

Posted by: Kindltot at July 16, 2017 07:04 PM (mkDpn)

56 46 I wonder how Musk feels when people tell him his cars are powered mostly by coal?
Posted by: freaked at July 16, 2017 07:00 PM (BO/km)


Or by dead bait fish.

Posted by: bergerbilder at July 16, 2017 07:04 PM (lIZQs)

57 OT:
FOR L, ELLE
I don't know if you're online today but here's some advice for a jumping dog:
http://www.canineminded.com/stop-dog-jumping-people/

Posted by: andycanuck #CNNisISIS at July 16, 2017 07:04 PM (nlbfN)

58
Is the engine in the back seat?

No, the engine is an app.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at July 16, 2017 07:04 PM (8gTsX)

59 With gubmint subsidies, I coulda been a GOD!

Posted by: John DeLorean at July 16, 2017 07:04 PM (EgOr3)

60 This guy is essentially the most successful welfare parasite ever. His entire fortune is the result of sucking the government teat and scamming taxpayers & investors. He's not an inventor or visionary, just a salesman & conman taking advantage of the hard work and inventions of others.

For a guy using Tesla's name he really is a shithead like Edison was, only at least Edison invented the half of things his company's made after stealing the other half from Tesla & Westinghouse.

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at July 16, 2017 07:05 PM (N5dam)

61 47 It's right next to the freeway in Fremont, where
hundreds of thousands of commuters see it every day. Like a giant
Soviet monument to socialized crony capitalism.
Posted by: zombie at July 16, 2017 06:53 PM

Isn't that part of the former NUMMI plant?
Posted by: Duncanthrax


Yep.

I think Seagate (the hard-drive computer company) is now in the other part of the complex. I don't actually go by there very often, so I forget which building is which.

Posted by: zombie at July 16, 2017 07:05 PM (DQ4Fv)

62
Electric cars have gone and will go nowhere to date.

Not until a motive source is invented that eclipses ALL the advantages of the IC system will we be driving anything else.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 16, 2017 07:06 PM (S/hVx)

63 >>>>For a guy using Tesla's name he really is a shithead like Edison was,
only at least Edison invented the half of things his company's made
after stealing the other half from Tesla Westinghouse.
.
.
.Yep, Edison really was a thief. He stole the motion picture idea from a guy in France who died on his way to the US to patent it.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 16, 2017 07:08 PM (0pcwX)

64 Electric cars have gone and will go nowhere to date.

Not until a motive source is invented that eclipses ALL the advantages of the IC system will we be driving anything else.


Posted by: irongrampa at July 16, 2017 07:06 PM (S/hVx)


Yup, exactly.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at July 16, 2017 07:08 PM (aMlLZ)

65 No way I'd buy an electric car in in Oklahoma-By-God-America. Can't go four-wheelin' or muddin' in one of those wimpy things.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at July 16, 2017 07:08 PM (rJUlF)

66 60 This guy is essentially the most successful welfare parasite ever. His entire fortune is the result of sucking the government teat and scamming taxpayers & investors. He's not an inventor or visionary, just a salesman & conman taking advantage of the hard work and inventions of others.


Just like my brother-in-law, except he is a farmer.

Posted by: bergerbilder at July 16, 2017 07:09 PM (lIZQs)

67 " But a Tesla here could be run on nuclear power"

Or natural gas. Or anything that feeds the grid.

I like nuclear power and think we should have more nuclear plants. Windmills suck.

Posted by: freaked at July 16, 2017 07:09 PM (BO/km)

68 Not until a motive source is invented that eclipses ALL the advantages of the IC system will we be driving anything else.
Posted by: irongrampa at July 16, 2017 07:06 PM (S/hVx)


Fuel cell if they ever get the bugs out, and can run it on hydrocarbons

Posted by: Kindltot at July 16, 2017 07:09 PM (mkDpn)

69 I wonder how Musk feels when people tell him his cars are powered mostly by coal?
------------------------
The environmental bullshit is their marketing plan to get people that no nothing about cars into a virtue-car.

They know, but they don't care.

Posted by: MJ AOS at July 16, 2017 07:09 PM (mHBj7)

70 Nor did Musk "invent" the Tesla.

He bought into the pre-existing company.

And the rest, as they say is...


the result of good connections to get tax breaks, subsidies and money from poorer taxpayers.


It's like a success story from the Soviet Union.

Posted by: naturalfake at July 16, 2017 07:09 PM (9q7Dl)

71 Musk and his ilk are the Free Shit Army in bespoke suits.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 16, 2017 07:09 PM (0mRoj)

72 Because they use a flywheel, Teslas have great acceleration, so they make excellent second or third cars as toys. Thats it

Posted by: Ignoramus at July 16, 2017 07:10 PM (pV/54)

73 Peaches! Where have you been hiding yourself lately?

Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:10 PM (0wem/)

74 62
Electric cars have gone and will go nowhere to date.

Not until a motive source is invented that eclipses ALL the advantages of the IC system will we be driving anything else.
Posted by: irongrampa


As you may have seen earlier this month, Volvo announced they will henceforth ONLY produce non-internal-combustion vehicles -- electric, hyrdrogen, hybrid.

Ever single moonbat I know was gleeful over this, and that day declared that the internal combustion engine was "dead" and good riddance. They acted like it was already over, that the funeral for internal combustion has just happened and we were now all walking back to have a big wake.

Posted by: zombie at July 16, 2017 07:10 PM (DQ4Fv)

75 hybrid cars have IC engines

Posted by: freaked at July 16, 2017 07:11 PM (BO/km)

76 Until they invent a nice star wars X-wing for cheap mass production I'm not going to get excited.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at July 16, 2017 07:11 PM (aMlLZ)

77 The Model 3 doesn't have a grill. What's a car without a grill?



Posted by: Javems at July 16, 2017 07:11 PM (yOqwj)

78 "Volvo announced they will henceforth ONLY produce non-internal-combustion vehicles -- electric, hyrdrogen, hybrid."

Sweden really does have a death wish.

Posted by: Ignoramus at July 16, 2017 07:11 PM (pV/54)

79 As you may have seen earlier this month, Volvo announced they will henceforth ONLY produce non-internal-combustion vehicles -- electric, hyrdrogen, hybrid.

Ever single moonbat I know was gleeful over this, and that day declared that the internal combustion engine was "dead" and good riddance. They acted like it was already over, that the funeral for internal combustion has just happened and we were now all walking back to have a big wake.
Posted by: zombie at July 16, 2017 07:10 PM (DQ4Fv)

Volvo will die. The internal combustion engine will live on.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 16, 2017 07:12 PM (0mRoj)

80 hybrid cars have IC engines

Posted by: freaked at July 16, 2017 07:11 PM (BO/km)


ugly chicks have boobs.

lol

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at July 16, 2017 07:12 PM (aMlLZ)

81 A silent car is a dangerous car, so if it saves one life...

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 16, 2017 06:49 PM (RZXSp)

Loud pipes save lives. I cant begin to tell you how many times the drag pipes on my scooter that will wake the dead saved me from being crushed or driven off the road by zombie drivers with their faces in their cell phones or or zoning out listening to NPR.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 16, 2017 07:12 PM (FI864)

82 Electris car definition, with dead battery:

Noun
1. Brick.

Posted by: bergerbilder at July 16, 2017 07:12 PM (lIZQs)

83 i am shocked volvo is still in business. who buys that shit?

Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 16, 2017 07:13 PM (KP5rU)

84 62
Not until a motive source is invented that eclipses ALL the advantages of the IC system will we be driving anything else.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 16, 2017 07:06 PM (S/hVx)


THIS! It's all about energy density, and liquid hydrocarbon fuel is still much better than batteries, even after all the advancements that have been made in battery technology.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at July 16, 2017 07:13 PM (mrsAC)

85 We need to subsidize Elon on a blast to the fucking moon and see if he can make it back on his own.

Posted by: Fritz at July 16, 2017 07:13 PM (eLttb)

86 We also had a scheme to franchise hipster recharging stations where you could go in for your coffee while your car powers back up.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 16, 2017 06:36 PM (QGoUX)

You simply cannot recharge an electric auto's battery pack in the time it takes to drink a latte from Starfucks. Overnight is the typical time for a full charge, maybe 2 to 3 hours from a special high-rate charger. Try to do it any faster, and you could cook the batteries.

If electricity were the only source of motive power we had available to use as a civilization, and if we also wanted to have automobiles, the only rational way to make it work would be to have standardized battery packs, that could be swapped out in a minute or two at a properly-equipped service center. Each battery pack could have a mileage counter on it, designed to communicate with the cars' on-board systems, and billing could be upon the basis of miles driven.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 16, 2017 07:13 PM (XUcIQ)

87 who buys that shit?

Disgruntled Audi owners.

Posted by: freaked at July 16, 2017 07:14 PM (BO/km)

88 73
Peaches! Where have you been hiding yourself lately?

Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:10 PM (0wem/)
You know me, darlin' . . . I come and I go. Been kind of a shit week, layin' low. About to go back to that. How you been?

Posted by: Peaches at July 16, 2017 07:14 PM (EgOr3)

89 Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 16, 2017 07:12 PM (FI864)

*salutes*

Posted by: Infidel at July 16, 2017 07:14 PM (gDoff)

90 Hybrids DO indeed have IC engines--which tells you that ALL the advantages of IC haven't been eclipsed.

Doesn't it?

Posted by: irongrampa at July 16, 2017 07:14 PM (S/hVx)

91 78 "Volvo announced they will henceforth ONLY produce non-internal-combustion vehicles -- electric, hyrdrogen, hybrid."

Sweden really does have a death wish.
Posted by: Ignoramus


Nope.

Volvo is a CHINESE company. At least the half of the company that makes cars is Chinese. The other part of the company, that makes specialty equipment, still is part Swedish.

Don't believe me? Look it up!

It could very well be that the Chinese are purposely trying to kill Volvo.

Posted by: zombie at July 16, 2017 07:14 PM (DQ4Fv)

92 yeah, it will be fun to learn what becomes of used tesla's, the one's that need new batteries. how many used car buyers are going to be able to pony up for a great big new battery?

Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:14 PM (0wem/)

93 You know me, darlin' . . . I come and I go. Been kind of a shit week, layin' low. About to go back to that. How you been?
Posted by: Peaches at July



well I and mine have been well, but everyone is better now that you are here.

Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:15 PM (0wem/)

94 It wasn't that long ago that mechanics swore by Volo and would buy them for their own cars.

Posted by: Ignoramus at July 16, 2017 07:15 PM (pV/54)

95 The whole electric Car thing is bullshit.

They still have to get the electricity from somewhere...

I ran the numbers a few years ago, and by converting the amount of Energy used by gasoline and diesel vehicles to Kilowatt hours... we would have to increase our total energy output, and grid capability by 130% to change to all electric...

That's a 130% increase... ie more than Double...

Now, considering line loss... electricity production would actually have to be greater than that... but... you get the idea...

Posted by: Don Q. at July 16, 2017 07:15 PM (NgKpN)

96 Grills. (GOOGLE IMAGES)


http://preview.tinyurl.com/yb7fhdt3

Posted by: Javems at July 16, 2017 07:17 PM (yOqwj)

97 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geely

Geely (officially Zhejiang Geely Holding Group Co., Ltd) is a Chinese multinational automotive manufacturing company headquartered in Hangzhou, Zhejiang. Its principal products are automobiles, taxis, motorcycles, delivery vans, engines, and transmissions. It sells passenger cars under the Geely and Volvo brands and taxis under the London Taxi brand. Delivery vans are sold under the brand Emerald.[5]

Geely has owned the Swedish passenger car maker Volvo Cars since 2010

Posted by: zombie at July 16, 2017 07:17 PM (DQ4Fv)

98 83
i am shocked volvo is still in business. who buys that shit?

Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 16, 2017 07:13 PM (KP5rU)
Volvo has been dining out for decades on what they did in the 60s. I had a fabulous one in the early 70s. Strong like bull. Very heavy, very safe. About 10 years later my dad got one, new, top of the line. Total piece of crap. Lightweight, no power, no nothing. He ended up trading it in for a Kia, which was a new thing at the time.

Posted by: Peaches at July 16, 2017 07:17 PM (EgOr3)

99
Sometimes, just to be an asshole, I park in the charge station parking spots at Price Chopper with my pickup.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 16, 2017 07:18 PM (vIjh1)

100 89>> Thanks buddy. *raises the glass* Back at ya!

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 16, 2017 07:18 PM (FI864)

101 Loud pipes save lives. I cant begin to tell you how many times the drag pipes on my scooter that will wake the dead saved me from being crushed or driven off the road by zombie drivers with their faces in their cell phones or or zoning out listening to NPR.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 16, 2017 07:12 PM (FI864)


Absolutely. A Harley without drag pipes is a suicide machine.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at July 16, 2017 07:18 PM (aMlLZ)

102 yo

Posted by: Ralph at July 16, 2017 07:18 PM (S91Fa)

103 The lady who owns the nail salon in town owns two teslas so either the subsidies are overly generous or I'm in the wrong business.

Posted by: Kreplach at July 16, 2017 07:18 PM (9A6UB)

104 "it will be fun to learn what becomes of used tesla's,'

I'd like to see someone put a big ass Chevy V8 in one.

Posted by: freaked at July 16, 2017 07:18 PM (BO/km)

105 101
Loud pipes save lives. I cant begin to tell you how many times the drag
pipes on my scooter that will wake the dead saved me from being crushed
or driven off the road by zombie drivers with their faces in their cell
phones or or zoning out listening to NPR.



Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 16, 2017 07:12 PM (FI864)


If you're not setting off car alarms, you're doing it wrong! :-)

Posted by: Peaches at July 16, 2017 07:19 PM (EgOr3)

106 24 It's nearly impossible to get on this dang blog from Cancun. Problem loading this page Problem loading this page yada yada
Posted by: grammie winger at July 16, 2017 06:46 PM (1fvpz)

Grammie you're on vacay. Forget about us!

Posted by: sinalco at July 16, 2017 07:19 PM (yODqO)

107 maybe we should sell gm to the chinese. that place needs a good housecleaning. gm sucks ass.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 16, 2017 07:20 PM (KP5rU)

108 It could very well be that the Chinese are purposely trying to kill Volvo.


The Chinese are trying to kill Vulvas!!!

What...I can't....that's....


Witness the birth of the First Han(djob) Dynasty!

Posted by: naturalfake at July 16, 2017 07:20 PM (9q7Dl)

109 If you're not setting off car alarms, you're doing it wrong! :-)



Posted by: Peaches at July 16, 2017 07:19 PM (EgOr3)


lol. This is true.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at July 16, 2017 07:21 PM (aMlLZ)

110 A friend of mine at work just bought a Leaf. By the time all the rebates and tax breaks were applied he paid <10k. It'll only go about 130 miles on a charge.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 16, 2017 07:21 PM (FI864)

111 Volvo is Chinese now and they are building their largest factory just outside Charleston, SC, will employ 2,000.


http://tinyurl.com/ybcl75qd

Posted by: Ralph at July 16, 2017 07:21 PM (S91Fa)

112 >>>>yeah, it will be fun to learn what becomes of used tesla's, the one's
that need new batteries. how many used car buyers are going to be able
to pony up for a great big new battery?
.
.
.We had a Ford Fusion hybrid. A very nice car that actually got over 40 MPG with my wife driving it back and forth to work.

Had a serious problem when we went to try and trade it in on a new car when it had 75,000 miles on it. It was pretty much worthless compared to a conventional car because the battery is only good for ~100,000 miles and then needs to be replaced at a cost of about $4,500 plus battery disposal fees.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 16, 2017 07:22 PM (0pcwX)

113 Elon Musk huffs glue. Its how he gets his big ideas.

Posted by: Serious Cat at July 16, 2017 07:22 PM (Hnqc1)

114 Katy Tur on Megyn with compounded speculation that the Trumps colluded. Ignores many of her own "witnesses"

Theme is now the suspicious timeline

Posted by: Ignoramus at July 16, 2017 07:22 PM (pV/54)

115 99
Sometimes, just to be an asshole, I park in the charge station parking spots at Price Chopper with my pickup.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 16, 2017 07:18 PM (vIjh1)


Same here. At one store near me the charging spots are closer to the front door than the handicap spots. As far as I know there's no law that restricts them to battery cars, and I'd argue long and loud that my car uses electricity, too.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at July 16, 2017 07:22 PM (mrsAC)

116 ..I mean, just look at him!

Posted by: Serious Cat at July 16, 2017 07:22 PM (Hnqc1)

117 110
A friend of mine at work just bought a Leaf. By the time all the rebates
and tax breaks were applied he paid <10k. It'll only go about 130
miles on a charge.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 16, 2017 07:21 PM (FI864)
So he will have frequent opportunities to recover from the embarrassment of driving it?

Posted by: Peaches at July 16, 2017 07:22 PM (EgOr3)

118 so, off topic. you may recall I have mentioned that I got rid of cable mostly because I have quit watching cable news because it is bad for you.

we do have cable because we get free cable from our building but not box and no dvr. officially we now only have one channel hgtv. unofficially, we have lots but I am not going to reach under the couch and get the remote because television is bad for you.

however, sometimes I will switch on hgtv when I am eating with the dogs or having a cup of coffee.

so anyway, there is some show called fixerupper set somewhere in Texas. the lady who is the fixerupperer is obsessesd with "open concept." so are her clients.

she did a house for some young couple and THE BITCH TOOK DOWN EVERY WALL IN the HOUSE EXCEPT FOR THE BATHROOMS AND BEDROOMS! Living room, dining room, kitchen, foyer, den, one big fucking room. The couple asked for a island in the kitchen and she gave them a fucking continent, must be 20 feet long.

who the hell does this to someone? she just made the biggest studio apartment ever.


oh yeah. french doors, shiplap, and big ugly clocks seem to be her key design elements.

Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:23 PM (0wem/)

119 Hammer. Nail

Posted by: fu52 at July 16, 2017 07:24 PM (HpUpB)

120 As for Elon Musk: The lady doth protest too much, methinks

Posted by: Evi L. Bloggerlady at July 16, 2017 07:24 PM (hUf3d)

121 A friend of mine at work just bought a Leaf. By the time all the rebates and tax breaks were applied he paid

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 16, 2017 07:21 PM (FI864)


Good name then.... Leaf. With a range like that he'll need the wind to blow it around.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at July 16, 2017 07:24 PM (aMlLZ)

122 Aren't space ships powered by incredibly small nuclear engines? If these could be adapted for cars, and with economy of scale, we could have cars that never need refueled over a lifetime.

Any venture investors out there interested? I got lots of ideas!

Posted by: bergerbilder at July 16, 2017 07:24 PM (lIZQs)

123 WSJ story had a story on economics of electric. Basically gas has to be over $4 to make them work.


NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

Posted by: Ralph at July 16, 2017 07:24 PM (S91Fa)

124 I hate "open concept." I want rooms, dammit. With walls and, yeah, doors.

Posted by: Peaches at July 16, 2017 07:25 PM (EgOr3)

125 It could very well be that the Chinese are purposely trying to kill Volvo.
They're pissed they can't pronounce the company name properly.

Posted by: andycanuck #CNNisISIS at July 16, 2017 07:25 PM (nlbfN)

126 We had a Ford Fusion hybrid. A very nice car that actually got over 40 MPG with my wife driving it back and forth to work.

Had a serious problem when we went to try and trade it in on a new car when it had 75,000 miles on it. It was pretty much worthless compared to a conventional car because the battery is only good for ~100,000 miles and then needs to be replaced at a cost of about $4,500 plus battery disposal fees.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July




yeesh.



nearly ran in the the rara avis of "electric cars" the other day, the chevy volt.

Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:25 PM (0wem/)

127 As you may have seen earlier this month, Volvo announced they will henceforth ONLY produce non-internal-combustion vehicles -- electric, hyrdrogen, hybrid.

Ever single moonbat I know was gleeful over this, and that day declared that the internal combustion engine was "dead" and good riddance. They acted like it was already over, that the funeral for internal combustion has just happened and we were now all walking back to have a big wake.

Posted by: zombie at July 16, 2017 07:10 PM (DQ4Fv)

And once you get past all the hype, it turns out that Volvo will be building mostly hybrids. Some will have plug-ins, like the Chevy Volt, so that poseurs can claim to be "burning no fuel", but nearly all their cars will have internal combustion engines as their prime mover. The hybrid design, at the expense of some complexity, allows a car to have acceptable performance from an IC engine that is smaller than would be otherwise necessary.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 16, 2017 07:25 PM (XUcIQ)

128 didn't china buy saab too? there are constant rumors about it returning to production.

Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:26 PM (0wem/)

129 Speaking of scams, the big shiny new libraries around me are preciously adherent to LEED standards and have slots exclusively for low-emission vehicles.

All they have to do to get the compliancy stamp is have the slots, right? It's not like they police them....I assume.

I sometimes park there because fuck you that's why. It just seems like a non-enforceable thing, but they still get their strokes and their subsidy (I'm guessing).

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 16, 2017 07:26 PM (QGoUX)

130 118; just wait til open concept shitters become the in thing. you know some dipshit will push that envelope. idiot hipsters will nod their heads approvingly.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 16, 2017 07:27 PM (KP5rU)

131
Ive done open layouts for clients. (im not THAT fixerupper btw)

I dont like em either. Ive talked several out of it by asking "do you want anybody that comes in your door to see your kitchen sink?"

Posted by: fixerupper at July 16, 2017 07:27 PM (vIjh1)

132 I park in those electric spots too. One place I go has a dozen and they are almost always empty. Who can tell if a car is electric nowadays.? You could make up a fake electrical cord and plug any car in and park anywhere the hell you want.

Posted by: freaked at July 16, 2017 07:27 PM (BO/km)

133 If I had a Leaf I would mount sails on it to supplement the mileage, could rig it like a three masted Bark

Posted by: Skip at July 16, 2017 07:27 PM (9g/6M)

134 The people who love Teslas are the same people who bitch about tax cuts

Posted by: josephistan at July 16, 2017 07:27 PM (ANIFC)

135 I'm not a scientist, but it would be nice if a real scientist like Vic could weigh in on this: if you use gasoline to boil water for a turbine to create electricity for a battery, isn't that *less* efficient than simply using the gasoline to directly power your car?

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at July 16, 2017 07:27 PM (/qEW2)

136 Elian Mush has a spirit animal. It's a type of weasel.

Posted by: Eromero at July 16, 2017 07:28 PM (zLDYs)

137 I'm not torn at all. It is all theft at the end of the day. We must end subsidies and cut taxes. The 16th Amendment was sold as class welfare, only the rich would pay. Twenty years later everyone was paying {but the rich through dodges and loopholes} and I personally believe it contributed to the Great Depression. It made possible this behemoth known as the modern Federal gov't and we have been fighting a losing battle trying to shrink the behemoth.

I would love to see a flat tax of no more than 3 percent on all income and capital gains.

Posted by: Locke Common at July 16, 2017 07:28 PM (X5Vvl)

138 "so anyway, there is some show called fixerupper set somewhere in Texas. the lady who is the fixerupperer is obsessesd with "open concept." so are her clients. "
yankeefifth
~~~

lol. They're in Waco. I'm going down there in a couple of weeks with some friends from Kansas to visit the Gaines' design store, Magnolia Market. I expect a lot of Chinese crap that's way too expensive.

Posted by: sinalco at July 16, 2017 07:29 PM (yODqO)

139 I wore musk in S&TB. Sally Field loved it. Jerry Reed too. Gleason said I smelled like low tide.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at July 16, 2017 07:30 PM (bc2Lc)

140 Did anyone else read that as "Mongolia Market"?

Posted by: andycanuck #CNNisISIS at July 16, 2017 07:31 PM (nlbfN)

141 It would be nice if we could invent a liquid fuel that can be artificially produced from generators. Efficiently. That would make storing and transferring power generated from various sources economical.

Posted by: Serious Cat at July 16, 2017 07:31 PM (Hnqc1)

142 I made it a habit of parking in spots for electric vehicles at Whole Foods.

Totally immature but it made me laugh.

Posted by: MJ AOS at July 16, 2017 07:31 PM (mHBj7)

143 Tesla car battery production releases as much CO2 as 8 years of gasoline driving:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/yczcohjp

Posted by: ShainS at July 16, 2017 07:31 PM (ZcAbN)

144 I'm welding some new cab supports on my 2005 2500hd plow truck. Fuck electric cars

Posted by: nsirchov at July 16, 2017 07:31 PM (jpgqw)

145 They're in Waco. I'm going down there in a couple of weeks with some friends from Kansas to visit the Gaines' design store, Magnolia Market. I expect a lot of Chinese crap that's way too expensive.
Posted by: sinalco at July 16, 2017 07:29 PM (yODqO)

So they own a Tesla dealership?

Posted by: josephistan at July 16, 2017 07:31 PM (ANIFC)

146 Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at July 16, 2017 07:27 PM (/qEW2)

Oh mister smarty pants I bet you think having a penis makes you male too?

Electric cars will stop climate change because they are powered by unicorn farts.

Posted by: Bill Nye at July 16, 2017 07:32 PM (mtGE/)

147 Make that Volvo.

Posted by: josephistan at July 16, 2017 07:32 PM (ANIFC)

148 I'd bet my last valurite that Tesla sells to one of the big three in the next 10 years.
Posted by: MJ AOS at July 16, 2017 06:40 PM (mHBj7)


Isn't this basically the business plan of every tech company nowadays? Create a "product" that generates a lot of hype, but no real cash flow, get lots of people excited about it, and then sell it to some GloboCorp and retire? Turning a profit not required!

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at July 16, 2017 07:33 PM (Tnhbr)

149 I remember MAD magazine years ago did a parody of Popular Mechanics or some mag like that: there was an article about how you could build your own jet plane by using Electrolux vacuums as the engines.
And about two months later, a reader wrote in to ask where he could get the thousand mile long extension cords.

You want an all electric car? You pay for it.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at July 16, 2017 07:33 PM (ILitO)

150
I made it a habit of parking in spots for electric vehicles at Whole Foods.

On the rare occasions when I go there, I always make it a point to burn a Parlie in the parking lot before I leave. Even if I don't feel like it.

Posted by: Peaches at July 16, 2017 07:33 PM (EgOr3)

151 I'm not a scientist, but it would be nice if a real scientist like Vic could weigh in on this: if you use gasoline to boil water for a turbine to create electricity for a battery, isn't that *less* efficient than simply using the gasoline to directly power your car?

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at July 16, 2017 07:27 PM (/qEW2)

Of course. There is a loss contingent upon every conversion from one form of energy to another. TANSTAAFL

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 16, 2017 07:33 PM (XUcIQ)

152 I'm curious what a new motor for a tesla costs.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at July 16, 2017 07:34 PM (aMlLZ)

153 One thing I hate is the lack of lighting in new stores. Our neighborhood grocery store is terrible.

Its so dim sometimes I cant read labels even with my readers on. Night enough light to make these old eyeballs work.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 16, 2017 07:34 PM (vIjh1)

154 It alright, Steiner (California) will save him.

Posted by: 80's music fan at July 16, 2017 07:34 PM (dkqra)

155 Isn't this basically the business plan of every tech company nowadays? Create a "product" that generates a lot of hype, but no real cash flow, get lots of people excited about it, and then sell it to some GloboCorp and retire? Turning a profit not required!
----------------------------
Yep. I worked for a company backed by private equity for a bit.

Build a company through acquisitions, then sell it. No real profit.

Posted by: MJ AOS at July 16, 2017 07:34 PM (mHBj7)

156 148 I'd bet my last valurite that Tesla sells to one of the big three in the next 10 years.
Posted by: MJ AOS at July 16, 2017 06:40 PM (mHBj7)

ABC, CBS or NBC ??

Posted by: nsirchov at July 16, 2017 07:35 PM (jpgqw)

157 The Wall Street Journal reported this week that it drives Mr. Musk "crazy" when critics argue that his company is the creation of government subsidies and handouts.

The main problem with this is that we are paying for a car most of us will never drive. If Mr. Mullosk would give me a free Tesla, I wouldn't have a problem with this.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at July 16, 2017 07:35 PM (/qEW2)

158 I'm not a scientist, but it would be nice if a real scientist like Vic could weigh in on this: if you use gasoline to boil water for a turbine to create electricity for a battery, isn't that *less* efficient than simply using the gasoline to directly power your car?
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at July 16, 2017 07:27 PM (/qEW2)


It's possible, FWIU, to make a gas powered generator that's more efficient than a gas-powered engine. Enough to justify putting it in a car? Beats me.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at July 16, 2017 07:35 PM (Tnhbr)

159 re 143: but Tesla cars produce no CO2 so you must be paid by the Koch Brothers. Go ahead, deny it.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at July 16, 2017 07:35 PM (ILitO)

160 "114 Katy Tur on Megyn with compounded speculation that the Trumps colluded. Ignores many of her own "witnesses"

Theme is now the suspicious timeline"

Basically, all us deplorables just don't give a shit about anything the MSM and the Dems say. The Russia thing has reached the saturation point.

Posted by: Tuna at July 16, 2017 07:35 PM (jm1YL)

161 Yep. I worked for a company backed by private equity for a bit.

Build a company through acquisitions, then sell it. No real profit.
Posted by: MJ AOS at July 16, 2017 07:34 PM (mHBj7)


My interviewer on Thursday asked me why I didn't want to go into finance (the grad program has a heavy emphasis on finance). "Because I have a soul" is apparently a valid answer.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at July 16, 2017 07:36 PM (Tnhbr)

162 But! But! But!

The government MUST help Tesla because Tesla's cars run on electricity, which is CLEAN and FREE!!!!


/imbeciles everywhere

Posted by: Sharkman at July 16, 2017 07:36 PM (wOq8U)

163 So they own a Tesla dealership?
Posted by: josephistan at July 16, 2017 07:31 PM (ANIFC)

Magnolia Motors

Posted by: sinalco at July 16, 2017 07:36 PM (yODqO)

164
The government MUST help Tesla because Tesla's cars run on electricity, which is CLEAN and FREE!!!!





/imbeciles everywhere

Posted by: Sharkman at July 16, 2017 07:36 PM (wOq8U)
I can't wait until we run out of unicorn farts.

Posted by: Peaches at July 16, 2017 07:37 PM (EgOr3)

165 re 52: it's the battery that costs something like $14k

and then you need to recycle it

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at July 16, 2017 07:37 PM (ILitO)

166 Here's the best part about parking in electric vehicle parking spaces:

The people that have electric vehicles have no idea if you're car is electric or not. And even if they did, what, pray tell, are they going to do?

I'm guessing that Prius drivers are a non-confrontational lot.

Posted by: MJ AOS at July 16, 2017 07:37 PM (mHBj7)

167 The main problem with this is that we are paying for a car most of us will never drive. If Mr. Mullosk would give me a free Tesla, I wouldn't have a problem with this.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at July 16, 2017 07:35 PM (/qEW2)

If you asked him for a free Tesla, he'd just clam up.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 16, 2017 07:38 PM (XUcIQ)

168 I made it a habit of parking in spots for electric vehicles at Whole Foods.

On the rare occasions when I go there, I always make it a point to burn a Parlie in the parking lot before I leave. Even if I don't feel like it.
Posted by: Peaches at July




sigh

Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:38 PM (0wem/)

169 130 just wait til open concept shitters become the in thing.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 16, 2017 07:27 PM (KP5rU)


Like in basic training?

Posted by: Iowa Bob at July 16, 2017 07:38 PM (mrsAC)

170 So these people who live in "open concept" houses don't have any art or family photos, since they have no walls to hand stuff on.

Posted by: josephistan at July 16, 2017 07:38 PM (ANIFC)

171 I still want a Model 3 though. Because it's and electric car! It's the future! My electric bill would probably be really high though. So...no...

Posted by: sinalco at July 16, 2017 07:38 PM (yODqO)

172
Almost forgot.

The Strain returns tonite.

Wooot

Posted by: fixerupper at July 16, 2017 07:38 PM (vIjh1)

173 Generators run at constant speed so are more fuel efficient. That's the biggest benefit of hybrids. I don't see it to be enough of a gain for the extra complexity and cost.

Posted by: freaked at July 16, 2017 07:39 PM (BO/km)

174 I made it a habit of parking in spots for electric vehicles at Whole Foods.

Heh! I have to admit I do enjoy backing the bike onto the curb in front of some hipster douchebag and his old lady sipping a latte on the patio, and letting it idle before shutting it down. Too bad its only got a solo seat.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 16, 2017 07:39 PM (FI864)

175 sigh

Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:38 PM (0wem/)
They act like I'm spraying them with sarin gas. It's small and petty but very enjoyable.

Posted by: Peaches at July 16, 2017 07:39 PM (EgOr3)

176 160 "114 Katy Tur on Megyn with compounded speculation that the Trumps colluded. Ignores many of her own "witnesses"

Theme is now the suspicious timeline"

Rumor is that the Ruskies offered the Cankle dirt to the MSM. They turned it down on not being newsworthy or timely.

Posted by: nsirchov at July 16, 2017 07:39 PM (jpgqw)

177 Germany will produce more carbon in the next twenty years than the previous twenty.

File that fact under "it's better that nobody is pulling for your cause than liberals". Or as Tolkien said "Oft evil will shall evil mar." Expressed when Gollum danced too much to keep from falling in the volcano.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 16, 2017 07:39 PM (rnAwa)

178 Then how can he be a gastropod???

Posted by: andycanuck #CNNisISIS at July 16, 2017 07:39 PM (nlbfN)

179 lol. They're in Waco. I'm going down there in a couple of weeks with some friends from Kansas to visit the Gaines' design store, Magnolia Market. I expect a lot of Chinese crap that's way too expensive.
Posted by: sinalco at July




let me know how it goes. seems that they may be nice people but she has some kind of thing against walls.

what is waco like as a place to have a home?

Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:40 PM (0wem/)

180
The Strain returns tonite.

Wooot
Posted by: fixerupper at July 16, 2017 07:38 PM (vIjh1)
---
Speaking of blood-sucking weenuses...

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 16, 2017 07:41 PM (QGoUX)

181 also, no environmentalist will object to covering our deserts with solar panels, what with deserts just being sand and stuff.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at July 16, 2017 07:41 PM (ILitO)

182 You could make up a fake electrical cord and plug any car in and park anywhere the hell you want.

I like this idea.

Posted by: wooga at July 16, 2017 07:41 PM (n5VsB)

183 let me know how it goes. seems that they may be nice people but she has some kind of thing against walls.

what is waco like as a place to have a home?

Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:40 PM (0wem/)

The Branch Davidian home in Waco had a very open concept, once Janet Reno was done Reno-ing it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 16, 2017 07:42 PM (XUcIQ)

184 >>Yep. I worked for a company backed by private equity for a bit.

>>Build a company through acquisitions, then sell it. No real profit.


I've worked for a few of them. That used to be the model pre-dot.com bubble, see Cuban, Mark. The game changed a bit after the crash.

You can still sell a pre-IPO company with no profits but you better have a plan to get to profitability that is realistic or a piece of technology that will greatly enhance a companies existing technology or you won't be selling for much.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 16, 2017 07:42 PM (/tuJf)

185 The Strain returns tonite.
Ace's penicillin shots didn't work?

Posted by: andycanuck #CNNisISIS at July 16, 2017 07:42 PM (nlbfN)

186 Oh this is crap. Was checking the tesla site-

tesla owners who have ordered a p90D ludicrous, but not taken delivery, can upgrade to the 100kwh battery pack for $10,000. Existing P90D ludicrous owners can also upgrade to a 100kWh pack, but for $20,000, as their used 90kWh pack will have to be recycled.

$10,000 to recycle a fucking battery??? So I guess this means if you need a new battery for this POS its going to cost 20K.

10K to recycle a fucking battery??????

really?

Somebody better sleep with their hands above the covers at night.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at July 16, 2017 07:42 PM (aMlLZ)

187 "no environmentalist will object to covering our deserts with solar panels"


Ahem.

Posted by: Save The Sand Fly International at July 16, 2017 07:42 PM (BO/km)

188 You could make up a fake electrical cord and plug any car in and park anywhere the hell you want.

I like this idea.
Posted by: wooga at July




or you could get a real cord and lasso a hobo with the charger and collect tips for watching him flop on the parking lot like street performers.

Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:43 PM (0wem/)

189 Peaches! How're they bouncing?

Posted by: The Gimp! at July 16, 2017 07:43 PM (jdWK0)

190 what is waco like as a place to have a home?
Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:40 PM (0wem/)

For you nice - for liberal Yankees it is awful & full of large spiders that eat people

Posted by: Batterup at July 16, 2017 07:43 PM (mtGE/)

191 If you asked him for a free Tesla, he'd just clam up.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon


*golf clap*

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at July 16, 2017 07:44 PM (/qEW2)

192 I don't know how the same guy can do SpaceX and Tesla. The accomplishments of SpaceX are impressive. ULA can't land a booster and consequently can't reuse it to pick up launch tempo. If SpaceX is on schedule with the Falcon Heavy while the NASA SLS is vaporware for the next few years, then they will have stolen another march and provided a needed shot in the arm for domestically controlled manned and satellite launches.
As for Tesla, Wall Street must be betting on the Gigafactory to be the successful. If the Model 3's are really out there at $35K, we'll know whether they are a car company. Also, I believe the subsidies go away once each manufacturer sells 200,000 with subsidy offered. If they come close to hitting monthly production targets, we won't be bitching about these subsidies this time next year. If they don't hit car production and sales targets, who will buy all those batteries? I'm not ready to buy solar roof shingles and a big battery to partially power my house. But there may be enough well-to-do virtue signallers to get it going.
TL;DR - not ready to buy TSLA, would buy some SpaceX.

Posted by: chuckR at July 16, 2017 07:44 PM (qS1uX)

193 Electric motors, especially DC, produce ozone. How do the current electic vehicles compare to IC? Btw, I realize ozone production from IC is an indirect process, and involves other pollutants (like isoprenene from trees). Ozone from electric motors cuts out the middlemen.

Posted by: bergerbilder at July 16, 2017 07:44 PM (lIZQs)

194 I've worked for a few of them. That used to be the model pre-dot.com bubble, see Cuban, Mark. The game changed a bit after the crash.

You can still sell a pre-IPO company with no profits but you better have a plan to get to profitability that is realistic or a piece of technology that will greatly enhance a companies existing technology or you won't be selling for much.
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Or you sell into a market that they want to be in.

Posted by: MJ AOS at July 16, 2017 07:44 PM (mHBj7)

195 173 Generators run at constant speed so are more fuel efficient. That's the biggest benefit of hybrids.

Posted by: freaked at July 16, 2017 07:39 PM (BO/km)


Like diesel-electric locomotives.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at July 16, 2017 07:44 PM (mrsAC)

196 >>>>Oh this is crap. Was checking the tesla site-



tesla owners who have ordered a p90D ludicrous, but not taken
delivery, can upgrade to the 100kwh battery pack for $10,000. Existing
P90D ludicrous owners can also upgrade to a 100kWh pack, but for
$20,000, as their used 90kWh pack will have to be recycled.



$10,000 to recycle a fucking battery??? So I guess this means if you need a new battery for this POS its going to cost 20K.



10K to recycle a fucking battery??????



really?



Somebody better sleep with their hands above the covers at night.
.
.
.I think they are gouging the recycle costs to generate some profit. IIRC Ford said it was $800 to recycle the battery in the wife's fusion.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 16, 2017 07:44 PM (0pcwX)

197 I like this idea.
Posted by: wooga at July


You could make it so you plug it in to your gas filler.

Posted by: Save The Sand Fly International at July 16, 2017 07:46 PM (BO/km)

198 191 If you asked him for a free Tesla, he'd just clam up.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

It depends on whose ox is getting gored

Posted by: nsirchov at July 16, 2017 07:46 PM (jpgqw)

199 Elon Musk is coming out with his own cologne brand...

https://ibb.co/j6zOQF

Posted by: Walker at July 16, 2017 07:46 PM (IflZ6)

200 179
lol. They're in Waco. I'm going down there in a couple of weeks with
some friends from Kansas to visit the Gaines' design store, Magnolia
Market. I expect a lot of Chinese crap that's way too expensive.

Posted by: sinalco at July









let me know how it goes. seems that they may be nice people but she has some kind of thing against walls.



what is waco like as a place to have a home?

Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:40 PM (0wem/)

If you watch, , and if I am to stay married I do, the vast majority, if not all of their customers request an "Open floor plan".
They are by all accounts nice family people, self made and, gasp, Christians. They make people happy.

Posted by: Javems at July 16, 2017 07:46 PM (yOqwj)

201 Too bad its only got a solo seat.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 16, 2017 07:39 PM (FI864)

I have a towel. lol. Had to do that once on a ride home thru Debeque canyon. Guy had bike problems. Was getting late. One of his buds strong legged it thru the canyon. Had to do the p-pad shuffle. I got stuck on the back of Wolffies bike fender with a towel. Stranger things have happened.

Posted by: Infidel at July 16, 2017 07:47 PM (gDoff)

202 Even though Space X gets subsidies, they are pretty bad ass. Landing that rocket on a barge at sea is cool.

Posted by: muthaucker at July 16, 2017 07:47 PM (XtT5R)

203 When Tesla makes a model that runs on bitter lib tears, I may consider buying.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 16, 2017 07:47 PM (PXj2C)

204 Hillary loves Tesla!

That would kill the company.

Posted by: MJ AOS at July 16, 2017 07:47 PM (mHBj7)

205 177 Germany will produce more carbon in the next twenty years than the previous twenty.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 16, 2017 07:39 PM (rnAwa)

If you ever cleaned a hookah you would know why. For Rio Linda listeners, a hookah is a bong. Lot of carbon build up. Turks are taking over. They invented the hookah and Camel cigarettes. nvm

Posted by: charleyhorse at July 16, 2017 07:47 PM (+kahX)

206 what is waco like as a place to have a home?
Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:40 PM (0wem/)

For you nice - for liberal Yankees it is awful & full of large spiders that eat people
Posted by: Batterup at July




well, we may have to put that on the maybe list. probably easy to pick up enough used walls cheap to build a whole house.

Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:47 PM (0wem/)

207 Like diesel-electric locomotives

On a larger scale, yes. In a car, I don't like it.

Posted by: freaked at July 16, 2017 07:47 PM (BO/km)

208 Somehow can't imagine a Tesla hauling me and a few hundred pounds of tools around.
Guess its time to hit the rack, good night everyone

Posted by: Skip at July 16, 2017 07:47 PM (9g/6M)

209 >>Or you sell into a market that they want to be in.

Yea, but you still better have a solid business. I remember raising money with VC's and debt with banks pre-crash days. The room used to be filled with snot nosed kids right out of B school armed with nothing more than spreadsheets. They literally had no idea what business was all about because they had never really worked in one.

You could tell them anything as long as you threw in enough buzzwords, sticky eyeballs was a particular favorite of mine. The values they were handing out based on nothing but bullshit was amazing.

You don't see many of those kids in the room anymore.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 16, 2017 07:48 PM (/tuJf)

210 10K to recycle a fucking battery??????



really?



Somebody better sleep with their hands above the covers at night.


Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at July 16, 2017 07:42 PM (aMlLZ)


It's a Lithium battery. Part of the cost is transporting it by mule.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 16, 2017 07:49 PM (mkDpn)

211 If you're not setting off car alarms, you're doing it wrong! :-)


@ Peaches at July 16, 2017 07:19

google Shell/Ferrari gas commercial. Absolutely hands down best IC car commercial ever! I listen now and then - puts a smile on my face each time.

Posted by: chuckR at July 16, 2017 07:49 PM (qS1uX)

212 Heard Muskox is selling his quadraphonic stereo system, for cheap

Posted by: nsirchov at July 16, 2017 07:50 PM (jpgqw)

213 tesla owners who have ordered a p90D ludicrous, but not taken delivery, can upgrade to the 100kwh battery pack for $10,000. Existing P90D ludicrous owners can also upgrade to a 100kWh pack, but for $20,000, as their used 90kWh pack will have to be recycled.

$10,000 to recycle a fucking battery??? So I guess this means if you need a new battery for this POS its going to cost 20K.

10K to recycle a fucking battery??????

really?

Somebody better sleep with their hands above the covers at night.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at July 16, 2017 07:42 PM (aMlLZ)

At current prices, here in Canada, the 50-gallon fuel tank in my Suburban costs me about $140 to fill from near-empty. And I can drive 600 miles on that. For the $20,000 that it costs for that 100kWh battery pack ( and not including the electricity), I could drive 71,000 miles.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 16, 2017 07:50 PM (XUcIQ)

214 You could make up a fake electrical cord and plug any car in and park anywhere the hell you want.

I like this idea.
Posted by: wooga at July

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-OR-

You could just say "Fuck you hippy boy. Whatcha gonna do about it" when a birckenstock wearing Prius driver asks you why you parked in *their* spot.

I like THIS idea.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 16, 2017 07:51 PM (vIjh1)

215 If you watch, , and if I am to stay married I do, the vast majority, if not all of their customers request an "Open floor plan".
They are by all accounts nice family people, self made and, gasp, Christians. They make people happy.
Posted by: Javems at July




well there are certainly lots of worse things on television. It is not really so bad.

I do not get the whole open floor plan thing. Really, I do not get house fads. Why would you want to build something that is going to go out of fashion? I like my clothes to wear out before they go out of fashion and expect the same from my house.

Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:51 PM (0wem/)

216 I would be on board with these government subsidies if it resulted in technology breakthroughs. NASA burned through billions but I think we are better for it as no private entity would have taken that project with no profit in sight.

Unfortunately Musk hasn't produced anything close to justifying his subsidies.

Posted by: Jack Sock at July 16, 2017 07:53 PM (IDPbH)

217 Posted by: Infidel at July 16, 2017 07:47 PM (gDoff)

Fuck. That. I might let some back warmer ride the fender (I still have the back pegs) but there is no way I'd do that.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 16, 2017 07:53 PM (FI864)

218 Volvo is Chinese now and they are building their largest factory just outside Charleston, SC, will employ 2,000.


Are they building them for China? If not, why not?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 16, 2017 07:53 PM (oVJmc)

219 I like my clothes to wear out before they go out of fashion and expect the same from my house.
Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:51 PM (0wem/)


Let me tell you about that deal on Chinese drywall . . .

Posted by: Kindltot at July 16, 2017 07:54 PM (mkDpn)

220 really, open concept, what would this place be like without walls?

Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:54 PM (0wem/)

221 well, we may have to put that on the maybe list. probably easy to pick up enough used walls cheap to build a whole house.
Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:47 PM (0wem/)

I've never actually been there, but it's the home of Baylor University.

These people, though, who bought a house in Waco think it's the Wild West. Oh well...

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ycxnv4m3 (foxnews)

Posted by: sinalco at July 16, 2017 07:54 PM (yODqO)

222 Let me tell you about that deal on Chinese drywall . . .
Posted by: Kindltot at July




heh

Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:54 PM (0wem/)

223 "the saab/boxster combo: the sobster"

did you make that up? because if you did you deserve a gold star.

very, very funny.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at July 16, 2017 07:55 PM (WTSFk)

224 218 Volvo is Chinese now and they are building their largest factory just outside Charleston, SC, will employ 2,000.

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Asian Scandis building cars in Jesusland?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 16, 2017 07:56 PM (PXj2C)

225 (... although it's actually a nice looking car.)

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at July 16, 2017 07:56 PM (WTSFk)

226 150
....On the rare occasions when I go there, I always make it a point to burn a Parlie in the parking lot before I leave. Even if I don't feel like it.
Posted by: Peaches at July 16, 2017 07:33 PM (EgOr3)
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That cracks me up.




Posted by: Zombie Dali at July 16, 2017 07:57 PM (0jtPF)

227 Musk thinks he's Howard Hughes reincarnated. Okay, maybe that's what I think.

Posted by: charleyhorse at July 16, 2017 07:57 PM (+kahX)

228 If his parents had named him Mickey, no one would take him seriously.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 16, 2017 07:58 PM (0jtPF)

229 (... although it's actually a nice looking car.)

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at July 16, 2017 07:56 PM (WTSFk)

Not really. It's a jelly bean car, like nearly every other recent model car. Looks like the designer was worried it might get shoved up his ass, and made it nice and smooth to minimize the discomfort.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 16, 2017 07:59 PM (XUcIQ)

230 that he's patterning his life in a somewhat similar way to Howard Hughes. Although Hughes would have gone up on one of the rockets just because.

Posted by: charleyhorse at July 16, 2017 07:59 PM (+kahX)

231 Musk thinks he's Howard Hughes reincarnated. Okay, maybe that's what I think.

Posted by: charleyhorse at July 16, 2017 07:57 PM (+kahX)

But he will never get to bang Jane Russell, will he?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 16, 2017 08:00 PM (XUcIQ)

232 Lessee:

Wind power w/out subsidies: not sustainable

Electric cars w/out subsides: not sustainable

Health insurance w/out subsidies: not sustainable

Question: what do these all have in common?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: ibguy at July 16, 2017 08:01 PM (vUcdz)

233 I have always want pneumatic transportation ever since I was a kid and saw the bank tubes. I hope Musk is successful in his testing and it's not a scam.

Posted by: Jack Sock at July 16, 2017 08:02 PM (IDPbH)

234 Why would I want EV range anxiety when I can get a 2018 Camry Hybrid that gets close to 42mpg highway for mid $20's? Based on wife's non-hybrid mileage, it may beat that 42mpg. With a 17gal tank, that's 700miles and a fillup cost of $35.

Posted by: chuckR at July 16, 2017 08:02 PM (qS1uX)

235 I'm not a scientist, but it would be nice if a real scientist like Vic could weigh in on this: if you use gasoline to boil water for a turbine to create electricity for a battery, isn't that *less* efficient than simply using the gasoline to directly power your car?

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at July 16, 2017 07:27 PM (/qEW2)

Of course. There is a loss contingent upon every conversion from one form of energy to another. TANSTAAFL
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

To actually do "work", you have to get the steam to a high enough "density" to turn a turbine, either to then turn a generator or gear it to a drive train.
Heat engines vary in thermodynamic efficiency, but steam power plants (whether they use coal of nuclear fission) are from 33-39% efficient. Meaning, a lot of heat energy is needed before you can get the steam hot and dense enough to do work.
Tired steam is recovered from the turbine and re-heated, but you still are up against the laws of thermodynamics. There ain't no free lunch.

Internal combustion engines can be as much as 60% thermodynamically efficient. Meaning, 60% of the chemical energy from gas or diesel is turned into meaningful work by the engine. 40% is lost due to heat and other inefficiencies.
They aren't all that efficient. But powering cars with an IC engine (gas) or external combustion (diesel) versus making a battery powered car is much more efficient and a better use of resources.
Think of a power plant that uses tons of coal just to get the water hot enough to do work. Coal is cheaper than refined gasoline by a lot, but it is only practical when used in a big power plant.
Nuclear fired steam generators are also expensive to run, and some of the older plants are being closed down because it is cheaper to build gas turbine power plants (powered by cheaper natural gas) than to run the old nuclear plants. The last operating unit at Three Mile Island is being closed down because of this.
Gas turbine power plants basically burn natural gas to spin a turbine (a lot like a jet engine) and the turbine turns a generator. Actually pretty efficient and cheap to operate. Utilities used to use these for peak load generation, because they were easy to turn on and spool up, and then could be shut down easy. Required very little manning. A million kilowatt (megawatt) coal fired power plant might have 10-12 thousand employees, working multiple shifts.
Now, they are starting to become baseline power generators because of cheap natural gas.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at July 16, 2017 08:02 PM (S6Pax)

236 But he will never get to bang Jane Russell, will he?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 16, 2017 08:00 PM (XUcIQ)

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Bang her? I just wanted to stabilize those wild cans.

Posted by: Zombie Howard Hughes at July 16, 2017 08:02 PM (PXj2C)

237 202 Even though Space X gets subsidies, they are pretty bad ass. Landing that rocket on a barge at sea is cool.
Posted by: muthaucker at July 16, 2017 07:47 PM (XtT5R)

What subsidies?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 16, 2017 08:02 PM (P/kVC)

238 At current prices, here in Canada, the 50-gallon fuel tank in my Suburban costs me about $140 to fill from near-empty. And I can drive 600 miles on that. For the $20,000 that it costs for that 100kWh battery pack ( and not including the electricity), I could drive 71,000 miles.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 16, 2017 07:50 PM (XUcIQ)



And that's with you driving a gas pig.

I have a new mazda 6 with a stick. It costs me under $30 to fill, it takes takes about 13.5 gallons to fill, and I'll get 475 miles on a tank on the highway. The worst it ever got was maybe 375 miles on a tank, and that was with the AC on the entire time and 100% local driving. Not to mention its probably $60K cheaper to buy to start with. The tesla would owe me money, lots of money...and hookers..and booze.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at July 16, 2017 08:03 PM (aMlLZ)

239 Tesla could probably exist without tax breaks or subsidies, but not Tesla as it is now. If they grew without subsidies in the first place that would be one thing, but as they are now if they suddenly stopped they'd probably go bankrupt before they could stabilize to a size related to how much demand there is at a price point they can afford to sell at.

Posted by: DaveM at July 16, 2017 08:04 PM (FNtbC)

240 Howard Hughes created / invented a number of things that advanced aviation. His fortune also advanced medical technology and advances and continues to today. Musk has a long way to go.

Posted by: Jack Sock at July 16, 2017 08:04 PM (IDPbH)

241 This week on our stage - The Musk Twins! Scenta & Teazla! They'll Elon-gate your manhood!

Posted by: Strip Joint Near Airport at July 16, 2017 08:04 PM (bc2Lc)

242 The only good thing about electric cars, is that, so far, they're the only coal burners on the road. They should use that for a sales thing.

Posted by: Moose17 at July 16, 2017 08:05 PM (qzf8l)

243 what is waco like as a place to have a home?
Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 07:40 PM (0wem/)

...

TURN BACK NOW

Posted by: TexasDan at July 16, 2017 08:05 PM (yL25O)

244 Fuck. That. I might let some back warmer ride the fender (I still have the back pegs) but there is no way I'd do that.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 16, 2017 07:53 PM (FI864)

It was 20 yea ago. We were young. It was Sunday early evening and we all had to work the next day. We went slow. Only about 35 miles.

Posted by: Infidel at July 16, 2017 08:05 PM (gDoff)

245 231 Musk thinks he's Howard Hughes reincarnated. Okay, maybe that's what I think.

Posted by: charleyhorse at July 16, 2017 07:57 PM (+kahX)

But he will never get to bang Jane Russell, will he?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 16, 2017 08:00 PM (XUcIQ)

Amber Heard. Not JM but no slouch either.

Posted by: charleyhorse at July 16, 2017 08:06 PM (+kahX)

246 People don't get excited about allegations like that unless in their heart of hearts they think there's something to them.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:06 PM (SRKgf)

247 grammie winger

Have fun in Cancun. You're having a second honeymoon with the Rev., you are not cooking, and there are plenty of tables and bar counters to dance on.

May your vacation be epic!

Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 16, 2017 08:07 PM (hyuyC)

248 Elon Musk is the automotive answer to Tom Steyer, i.e., a parasite making money off of gaming the system.

At least Musk isn't (at least to my knowledge) anti-American, unlike Steyer.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:07 PM (SRKgf)

249 Charleyhorse, I read about Howard Hughes, I didn't know Howard Hughes, Howard Hughes was not a friend of mine. Elon Mush was no Howard Hughes.

Elon Mush couldn't carry Howard's jockstrap.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 16, 2017 08:07 PM (5VlCp)

250 Didn't Elon Musk also personally call some guy and cancel his Tesla X order because the customer had the gall to point out that the Tesla X reveal party, to which he was invited, was poorly executed?

Posted by: TexasDan at July 16, 2017 08:08 PM (yL25O)

251 "or external combustion (diesel)

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at July 16, 2017 08:02 PM (S6Pax)



Don't you mean Turbine, rather than Diesel?

Posted by: bergerbilder at July 16, 2017 08:09 PM (lIZQs)

252 Yeah, here it is:

http://for.tn/2tYY29w

Musk sounds like he has clinical small man syndrome.

Posted by: TexasDan at July 16, 2017 08:10 PM (yL25O)

253 Chelsea would be a great spokesperson for Tesla.

Posted by: MJ AOS at July 16, 2017 08:10 PM (mHBj7)

254 Volvo is Chinese now and they are building their largest factory just outside Charleston, SC, will employ 2,000.
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But, but...everyone is moving their business to New York!

Posted by: New York State TV ad at July 16, 2017 08:11 PM (OdK9v)

255 Please clap.

Posted by: Elon Musk at July 16, 2017 08:12 PM (hsb2w)

256 I do see a number of Teslas in Houston. In fact had one next to me at a traffic light this morning. The one I saw before this morning was on a flat bed tow truck. Heh.

Posted by: Jack Sock at July 16, 2017 08:12 PM (IDPbH)

257 The best thing about coal burning electric cars is that the rubes have to choke on the fumes.

Posted by: bergerbilder at July 16, 2017 08:13 PM (lIZQs)

258 NASA burned through billions but I think we are better for it as no private entity would have taken that project with no profit in sight.

Posted by: Jack Sock at July 16, 2017 07:53 PM (IDPbH)


And the national benefit from the project was ... what? We put guys on the moon - cool - and added a shitload to the national debt. Not so cool. What we got out of it? Bragging rights.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:13 PM (SRKgf)

259 I do see a number of Teslas in Houston. In fact had one next to me at a traffic light this morning. The one I saw before this morning was on a flat bed tow truck. Heh.

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That was the optional Range Extender.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 16, 2017 08:14 PM (PXj2C)

260 I think Musk has some excellent ideas. I just wish he'd prove them out in the market, not in DC.

Posted by: Jeffersonian at July 16, 2017 08:14 PM (xiOrX)

261
*awaits "Send Lawyers, Guns, and Money" email from grammie*

Posted by: The Horde at July 16, 2017 08:15 PM (OdK9v)

262 Going to the moon first was part of the Cold War.
So was the Vietnam War.
One cost less in blood and treasure and was effective.

Posted by: Ignoramus at July 16, 2017 08:15 PM (pV/54)

263 You could just say "Fuck you hippy boy. Whatcha gonna do about it" when a birckenstock wearing Prius driver asks you why you parked in *their* spot.

Just driving back from my ball game (in the blazing heat, I might add) I saw a Prius with bumper stickers that read "Resist," "Where's the revolution," and "Bernie 2016."

I sure they've cleaned up the accident that guy had. Apparently someone in an old shitty car ran him off the road.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:16 PM (SRKgf)

264 @Jack Sock

Run the numbers on how big the turn radius has to be at 700mph to keep the cornering forces on your body reasonable. Fighter pilots can take 6Gs; apparently some can take up to 9Gs before blacking out. Roller coasters top out at less than 3Gs. Railroads plan on people being up and moving around and they shoot for 0.2Gs.

Know how people throw around 1G cornering like it matters for cars? At 1G cornering, net acceleration is 1.4Gs 45 degrees to the ground. The car will be attempting to cram your ass into the crack between the seat bolster and the door. Unless you are a pretend racer lapping on a track day, not at all a pleasant experience.

Posted by: chuckR at July 16, 2017 08:16 PM (qS1uX)

265 Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:13 PM (SRKgf)

The technology breakthroughs. Hundreds of them. I guess you could debate the cost projection analysis. It's my opinion those breakthroughs were worth it.

Posted by: Jack Sock at July 16, 2017 08:16 PM (IDPbH)

266 And the national benefit from the project was ... what? We put guys on the moon - cool - and added a shitload to the national debt. Not so cool. What we got out of it? Bragging rights.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:13 PM (SRKgf)

....

And Velcro.

I can no longer control the eyeroll when I am lectured about the side benefits society has received as a result of the space program.

As if Velcro would never, ever have been invented any other way.

Posted by: TexasDan at July 16, 2017 08:17 PM (yL25O)

267 There were also lots of knock-on benefits from our speculative investments in rocketry -- modern communications for one

Posted by: Ignoramus at July 16, 2017 08:17 PM (pV/54)

268 Weird. I got driven into the house by an approaching storm, after arriving home from the wellsite, and getting on the riding mower for an hour or so. Strong wind from the northwest, chilly, and clouds building.

Just went outside now, and it's almost still. Slight East wind, scarcely a breeze. Completely socked in, and the air is full of forest fire smoke from somewhere. Hazy, visibility about three miles. Feels ominous, but I can't see any weather coming.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 16, 2017 08:17 PM (XUcIQ)

269 Chelsea would be a great spokesperson for Tesla.
Posted by: MJ AOS
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A visit from Shit Midas would fold Tesla within six months.

Posted by: The Horde at July 16, 2017 08:17 PM (OdK9v)

270 Not having a Great Big Wall with Mexico is subsidising illegal drug importation and the deaths of thousands of Americans. Who won't fund such a barrier? Why McConnell and Ryan! GOPe,,,supporters of Mexican cartels.

Posted by: torabora at July 16, 2017 08:17 PM (//RY/)

271 262 Going to the moon first was part of the Cold War.
So was the Vietnam War.
One cost less in blood and treasure and was effective.
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 16, 2017 08:15 PM (pV/54)


Effective at doing what?

Just because we can do something doesn't mean we should do it.

So one waste cost us less than the other waste. That's hardly a ringing endorsement for either one.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:18 PM (SRKgf)

272 re 235: which is why we need to end fracking NOW!
If we can can a defense department, why can't we have free college and national health care and free Teslas???

Posted by: Sen Burnedout Sanders at July 16, 2017 08:18 PM (ILitO)

273 267 There were also lots of knock-on benefits from our speculative investments in rocketry -- modern communications for one
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 16, 2017 08:17 PM (pV/54)

Watch out for the TexasDan eye roll.

Posted by: Jack Sock at July 16, 2017 08:19 PM (IDPbH)

274 267 There were also lots of knock-on benefits from our speculative investments in rocketry -- modern communications for one
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 16, 2017 08:17 PM (pV/54)


Please. As if modern communications depended on the moon project. Let's not convolve rocketry with the moon project, OK?

And please don't bring up "Tang." Thanks.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:19 PM (SRKgf)

275 just wait til open concept shitters become the in thing. you know some dipshit will push that envelope. idiot hipsters will nod their heads approvingly.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 16, 2017 07:27 PM
~~~~~

Stayed in a hotel in Seoul that had glass walls around the bathroom. It did have a curtain that you could pull over, thank God.

Also, there are a lot of houses that do not have doors on the master bath. To each his own, I guess.

Posted by: IrishEi at July 16, 2017 08:19 PM (HiDrR)

276 Feels ominous, but I can't see any weather coming.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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It's quiet...too quiet.

Posted by: The Calm Before the Storm at July 16, 2017 08:19 PM (OdK9v)

277 257 The best thing about coal burning electric cars is that the rubes have to choke on the fumes.
Posted by: bergerbilder at July 16, 2017 08:13 PM (lIZQs)

...

We should bottle the exhaust of the factories that make their batteries and the power plants, and then make all electric cars have a device that emits that exhaust into the car cabin as they drive at a commensurate rate to the use of electricity.

I have it on good authority these things are zero emission, so there shouldn't be any objection.

Posted by: TexasDan at July 16, 2017 08:20 PM (yL25O)

278 "NASA burned through billions but I think we are better for it as no private entity would have taken that project with no profit in sight".

"And the national benefit from the project was ... "


Satellite technology (gps, internet, phone, defense, weather, etc....)

Posted by: bergerbilder at July 16, 2017 08:20 PM (lIZQs)

279 Please. As if modern communications depended on the moon project. Let's not convolve rocketry with the moon project, OK?

And please don't bring up "Tang." Thanks.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:19 PM (SRKgf)

Hey! It got a nice modern sound stage built at Area 51.
/

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 16, 2017 08:21 PM (XUcIQ)

280
We need to subsidize Elon on a blast to the fucking moon and see if he can make it back on his own.
Posted by: Fritz at July 16, 2017 07:13 PM


He can return in his electric space ship powered by solar energy.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 16, 2017 08:21 PM (IqV8l)

281 And Velcro.


Velcro was invented by a Swiss engineer in 1955.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velcro

Maybe he was part of the Swiss space program.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:21 PM (SRKgf)

282 273 267 There were also lots of knock-on benefits from our speculative investments in rocketry -- modern communications for one
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 16, 2017 08:17 PM (pV/54)

Watch out for the TexasDan eye roll.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 16, 2017 08:19 PM (IDPbH)

...

They're stuck now you inconsiderate morons.

Posted by: TexasDan at July 16, 2017 08:21 PM (yL25O)

283 just wait til open concept shitters become the in thing. you know some dipshit will push that envelope. idiot hipsters will nod their heads approvingly.
Posted by: chavez the hugo
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When looking at houses last, we saw one of those, in the master bedroom. Bizarre.

Posted by: The Calm Before the Storm at July 16, 2017 08:22 PM (OdK9v)

284 Teflon!!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 16, 2017 08:22 PM (IqV8l)

285 It's quiet...too quiet.

Posted by: The Calm Before the Storm at July 16, 2017 08:19 PM (OdK9v)

The drumming! The drumming has stopped.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 16, 2017 08:22 PM (XUcIQ)

286 SpaceX is a churn and burn mill. They recruit young hotshots with their image then work them until they burn out and quit. Boatloads of ex SpaceX people work at Virgin.

Musk is a fantastic showman, but there are lots of reports from his early days in the business that reveal he had no clue when it came to engineering.

Posted by: bonhomme at July 16, 2017 08:23 PM (f+t3r)

287 Yeah People act like Elon Musk is this visionary genius and he's just a con man who used government subsidies and tricks to pay for people who actually are smart do interesting stuff

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 16, 2017 08:23 PM (39g3+)

288 I dunno what it cost to send that thing that sent back close up photos of Pluto, but I'm sure we got more out of that kind of thing than the zillions we've spent since Pres LBJ in 1965 declared War on Poverty.

God only knows there are still liberals who think the USSR would have still collapsed if Carter had defeated Reagan in 1980.

Posted by: Sen Burnedout Sanders at July 16, 2017 08:24 PM (ILitO)

289 Satellite technology (gps, internet, phone, defense, weather, etc....)
Posted by: bergerbilder at July 16, 2017 08:20 PM (lIZQs)



Would this be a bad time to point out that most of the satellite technology was military in origin?

And the internet had f-all to do with NASA. That started out as a DARPA venture, and hence was also military.

Putting guys on the moon was purely and simply a dick-measuring exercise. Now I'm with that, in principle, if there's no better use for the money.

At this point, I think NASA has outlived whatever usefulness it ever had.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:24 PM (SRKgf)

290 >>>>>>
"NASA burned through billions but I think we are better for it as no
private entity would have taken that project with no profit in sight".



"And the national benefit from the project was ... "





Satellite technology (gps, internet, phone, defense, weather, etc....)
.
.
.More efficient ICBM's, advanced Radar, MRI's, smoke detectors, cordless tools, etc........

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 16, 2017 08:24 PM (0pcwX)

291 JFK didn't wake up one day and say Let's Got to the Moon. Grumman had already figured it out, right down to the LEM.

But back in the 1960s you would not have gotten private financing for rocketry.

Moon Spending overlapped with our Missile Defense.

Posted by: Ignoramus at July 16, 2017 08:24 PM (pV/54)

292 281 And Velcro.


Velcro was invented by a Swiss engineer in 1955.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velcro

Maybe he was part of the Swiss space program.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:21 PM (SRKgf)

...

Oh, I can't wait to get back to my friend at Fermi who was arguing for the benefits of NASA and listed that one. I think he's probably still a decent physicist and all but boy does he love government money.

Posted by: TexasDan at July 16, 2017 08:25 PM (yL25O)

293 284 Teflon!!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 16, 2017 08:22 PM (IqV8l)


Depends!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:25 PM (SRKgf)

294 Please. As if modern communications depended on the moon project. Let's not convolve rocketry with the moon project, OK?

And please don't bring up "Tang." Thanks.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
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But, but...we owe all modern technology to the space program!

Posted by: Conventional wisdom at July 16, 2017 08:26 PM (OdK9v)

295 Space Food Sticks!

Posted by: said nooneever at July 16, 2017 08:26 PM (BO/km)

296 It just makes me laugh that they call electric cars green. Making their batteries is as toxic a process as there is, and any cheap electricity to charge them is coal fired or nuclear.

Posted by: Moose17 at July 16, 2017 08:26 PM (qzf8l)

297 And please don't bring up "Tang." Thanks.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:19 PM (SRKgf)
Hey! It got a nice modern sound stage built at Area 51.
/
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 16, 2017 08:21 PM (XUcIQ)

Yup....Loved Tang! Is it still around? Nothing like fake orange juice out of a jar. Prepper food before preppers.
The TV commercials were the best.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 16, 2017 08:26 PM (5VlCp)

298 Putting guys on the moon was purely and simply a dick-measuring exercise. Now I'm with that, in principle, if there's no better use for the money.

At this point, I think NASA has outlived whatever usefulness it ever had.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:24 PM (SRKgf)

If the Government hadn't wasted money on NASA, they'd have wasted it trying to teach Africans to wash their dicks.

Oh, wait....

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 16, 2017 08:27 PM (XUcIQ)

299 Teflon Depends!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 16, 2017 08:27 PM (IqV8l)

300 TURN BACK NOW
Posted by: TexasDan at July




why?

Posted by: yankeefifth at July 16, 2017 08:27 PM (0wem/)

301 281 And Velcro.


Velcro was invented by a Swiss engineer in 1955.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velcro

Maybe he was part of the Swiss space program.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:21 PM (SRKgf)

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The Swiss space program came up with Velcro and decided to call it a day.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 16, 2017 08:28 PM (PXj2C)

302 Sometimes measuring your dick is a good idea.

Especially if you're having a good dick day.

Posted by: MJ AOS at July 16, 2017 08:28 PM (mHBj7)

303 Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 16, 2017 08:26 PM (5VlCp)

Heh. I'm actually drinking Tang right now. No lie.

Posted by: Jack Sock at July 16, 2017 08:28 PM (IDPbH)

304 I have a feeling that a lot of people think that electric vehicle charging stations will supply electricity at no charge.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 16, 2017 08:29 PM (IqV8l)

305 But, but...we owe all modern technology to the space program!
Posted by: Conventional wisdom
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**snort**

Posted by: Jack Kilby at July 16, 2017 08:29 PM (OdK9v)

306 re 299: I know, makes them easy to rinse off and reuse. Gives the spinach pancakes a funny smell, though.

Posted by: Hillary Rodman Clintown at July 16, 2017 08:29 PM (ILitO)

307 Elon, Elon likes his money. He makes a lot, they say.

Posted by: The Brown Dirt Cowboy at July 16, 2017 08:29 PM (Tyii7)

308 I have a feeling that a lot of people think that electric vehicle charging stations will supply electricity at no charge.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
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So far, most do.
I've thought of installing a connector on my truck, just to get the parking place.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 16, 2017 08:30 PM (OdK9v)

309 Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:13 PM (SRKgf)

Seriously? The research and development associated with the space program was amazing. Well until Barky McFuckstick made a happy feelz program for muslim outreach.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 16, 2017 08:31 PM (FI864)

310 sigh.

You can no longer by space food sticks.

I has a sadz.

Posted by: shibumi at July 16, 2017 08:31 PM (aT+Bx)

311 but let's be a bit honest: motion pictures (silent and sound), radio, and TV came long before the space program, and I don't think that FDR's National Recovery Act had anything to do with any of them.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at July 16, 2017 08:32 PM (ILitO)

312 Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 16, 2017 08:26 PM (5VlCp)
Heh. I'm actually drinking Tang right now. No lie.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 16, 2017 08:28 PM (IDPbH)

You Sir, are a man among men. Salute!

I am gonna find some on my travels in my AO.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 16, 2017 08:32 PM (5VlCp)

313 "Putting guys on the moon was purely and simply a dick-measuring exercise."

Yes, and ours was bigger than Ivan's and the World knew it. The cherry on top of the related military missile spending in the 1960s. A big part of winning the Cold Was was psychological.

Now if only LBJ hadn't escalated in Vietnam ...

Posted by: Ignoramus at July 16, 2017 08:32 PM (pV/54)

314
I have a feeling that a lot of people think that electric vehicle charging stations will supply electricity at no charge.
---------------
So far, most do.


Who is paying for it?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 16, 2017 08:33 PM (IqV8l)

315 So far, most do.
I've thought of installing a connector on my truck, just to get the parking place.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 16, 2017 08:30 PM (OdK9v)

Use it to run a small domestic air conditioner, to keep the truck cab cool while it's parked.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 16, 2017 08:33 PM (XUcIQ)

316 sigh.

You can no longer by space food sticks.

I has a sadz.


They relabled them as "Begin's Strips"

Posted by: Bruce at July 16, 2017 08:33 PM (8ikIW)

317 And the national benefit from the project was ... what? We put guys on the moon - cool - and added a shitload to the national debt.

The amount of spending on the moon program is a speck of the deficit compared to entitlements.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 16, 2017 08:34 PM (oVJmc)

318 Did someone ask for a designer? I am oh so available.

Posted by: Hildi Santo-Tomas at July 16, 2017 08:35 PM (0m0zi)

319 I am coming in late to this thread and have not read all the comments, so these points may already have been made. If so, sorry.

First, only a day or two ago there was a story here on AOSHQ about the government subsidy of something like a buck forty per package going to Amazon for every item they sell. Wow! That is really big, and it has created a fortune for a guy who may soon be the richest man in the history of the world -- all at our expense. Of course, as a long time user of Amazon -- I buy two or three items a week from them and have for more than a decade -- I am benefiting from this subsidy, so who am I to complain.

Second, someone up above mentioned that Teslas couldn't possibly work out in the middle of the desert west. Well, I live in Moab, UT and we have a two-car charging station right here. The other day I walked by and there was a couple sitting there in their Tesla getting a fill-up.

Gasoline and diesel internal combustion engines are going to be around for a long time yet, but it cannot go on forever and there needs to be a phase-in period for any new technology. The automobile did not replace the horse and buggy overnight, it only seems like it from our far distant future perspective.


Posted by: Ruthless at July 16, 2017 08:35 PM (GDtEt)

320 .More efficient ICBM's, advanced Radar, MRI's, smoke detectors, cordless tools, etc........
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 16, 2017 08:24 PM (0pcwX)



Please. Spare me.

More efficient ICBMs and advanced radar = military research.

MRI has absolutely fucking nothing to do with NASA. MRI developed from the advance in NMR from continuous wave to Fourier transform methodology, which allowed spin relaxations times to be deduced from free induction decays. Lauterbur and later Damadian realized that instead of using NMR as a spectometric tool (determining e.g., the chemical shifts of the various protons), it could be used as an imagine tool by characterizing the spin relaxation time of the protons of ONE chemical shift.

Nothing to do with NASA.

Smoke detectors depend on use an alpha-emitting isotope of americium to ionize the air/smoke. Thanks Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory for discovery/synthesis of americium.

Again, nothing to do with NASA.

Cordless tools are down to the development of Li ion batteries by a former colleague of mine.

Nothing to do with NASA.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:36 PM (SRKgf)

321 Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 16, 2017 08:32 PM (5VlCp

They make it in liquid and I just squirt it into my bottled water.

Posted by: Jack Sock at July 16, 2017 08:36 PM (IDPbH)

322 imagine --> imaging

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:36 PM (SRKgf)

323 good idea: use the free recharging stations to recharge batteries to run your home appliances. everyone wins except the taxpayers, who deserve just what they get for having an income.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at July 16, 2017 08:37 PM (ILitO)

324 Putting a man on the moon was a dick measuring contest

http://tinyurl.com/hdau3u8

'Murica!

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 16, 2017 08:37 PM (FI864)

325 sigh.
You can no longer by space food sticks.
I has a sadz.
They relabled them as "Begin's Strips"
Posted by: Bruce at July 16, 2017 08:33 PM (8ikIW)

If I remember right, they had chocolate and peanut butter.

Both tasted vaguely of ass and sawdust.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 16, 2017 08:37 PM (5VlCp)

326 In the 1960s NASA inspired a nation. The technology was driven by a goal, but IMHO, it was a better use of government money than the Great Society. Alas for our lack of vision.

In his Carrying the Fire, Mike Collins points out the dichotomy of HEW money transfers in the trillions to NASA's billion. LBJ chose ... unwisely.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 16, 2017 08:38 PM (hyuyC)

327 They make it in liquid and I just squirt it into my bottled water.
Posted by: Jack Sock at July 16, 2017 08:36 PM (IDPbH)

Cool! Thanks Jack! I will keep my eyes peeled for it.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 16, 2017 08:39 PM (5VlCp)

328 Seriously? The research and development associated with the space program was amazing. Well until Barky McFuckstick made a happy feelz program for muslim outreach.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 16, 2017 08:31 PM (FI864)


The engineering associated with the space program was amazing. Engineering = application of known technology.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:39 PM (SRKgf)

329 If charging stations are free now, that is not going to go on forever. I don't know if they are or not, but a free economy will eventually require the users to pay a fair price. The rising demand could be a good thing, for example by encouraging the construction of new gas or nuclear plants that we need for other purposes.

Posted by: Ruthless at July 16, 2017 08:39 PM (GDtEt)

330 325

I remember them well . Your description is spot on

Posted by: Bruce at July 16, 2017 08:39 PM (8ikIW)

331 Can I ask a question to the gentlemen in here?

Just a curiosity thing more than anything, but it's a bit risque. Should I wait for the ONT?

Posted by: Tickled Pink at July 16, 2017 08:39 PM (smD62)

332 Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:36 PM (SRKgf)

There was not a room full of NASA people inventing things. They had a need and had others create them.

Posted by: Jack Sock at July 16, 2017 08:39 PM (IDPbH)

333 Any CoBs with posting privileges here? Because this DEFINITELY deserves to be a new thread:

http://www.sfgate.com/aboutsfgate/article/ Feminist-scientists-say-citing-research-by-11292292.php

Feminist scientists say citing research by straight, white men promotes 'a system of oppression'
Kristine Phillips, The Washington Post Published 12:09 pm, Sunday, July 16, 2017

"Academics and scholars must be mindful about using research done by only straight, white men, according to two scientists who argued that it oppresses diverse voices and bolsters the status of already privileged and established white male scholars.

Geographers Carrie Mott and Daniel Cockayne argued in a recent paper that doing so also perpetuates what they call "white heteromasculinism," which they defined as a "system of oppression" that benefits only those who are "white, male, able-bodied, economically privileged, heterosexual, and cisgendered." (Cisgendered describes people whose gender identity matches their birth sex.)

Mott, a professor at Rutgers University in New Jersey, and Cockayne, who teaches at the University of Waterloo in Ontario, argued that scholars or researchers disproportionately cite the work of white men, thereby unfairly adding credence to the body of knowledge they offer while ignoring the voices of other groups, like women and black male academics."

Beyond parody.

Posted by: zombie at July 16, 2017 08:39 PM (DQ4Fv)

334 285 Bass solo...

Posted by: Charles the Simple at July 16, 2017 08:40 PM (w7U7L)

335 BTW, I know a guy who owns a Tesla and it has amazing performance, something like 2.5 seconds 0 to 60 as I recall. The torque is incredible. We are not talking about a pussymobile here.

Posted by: Ruthless at July 16, 2017 08:40 PM (GDtEt)

336 Being Told Tesla Exists Because of Tax Breaks and Subsidies Drives Elon Musk Crazy

This is like saying I exist only because of ESPN's hype. Come on, I played an entire year of college basketball. How many people can say that?

Posted by: Lonzo Ball, (c) ESPN at July 16, 2017 08:41 PM (pszv/)

337 Re: 333, love this comment from another site about the oppressive paper citations:

"If you are a dumpy white guy and wrote a stupid paper nobody cites then you can change your gender identity and get some cites from the pity pit."

Posted by: zombie at July 16, 2017 08:42 PM (DQ4Fv)

338 Hey, Tickled Pink, I'm game. Is this about those peas on your mother's plates, or something else.

(And they think we usual lurkers are not paying attention.)

Posted by: Ruthless at July 16, 2017 08:42 PM (GDtEt)

339 The engineering associated with the space program was amazing. Engineering = application of known technology.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:39 PM (SRKgf)

Pffffffffffft! Enginerds bring the dreams of research scientists to life.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 16, 2017 08:43 PM (FI864)

340 @338

Lol no not about the peas. And dang it, I am trying to get over the peas!

I'm not entirely sure how peas can be risque lol

Posted by: Tickled Pink at July 16, 2017 08:43 PM (smD62)

341 Well, peas can be whatever you want them to be.

Posted by: Ruthless at July 16, 2017 08:43 PM (GDtEt)

342 324 Putting a man on the moon was a dick measuring contest

http://tinyurl.com/hdau3u8

'Murica!
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 16, 2017 08:37 PM (FI864)

In the 1960s NASA inspired a nation. The technology was driven by a goal, but IMHO, it was a better use of government money than the Great Society. Alas for our lack of vision.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 16, 2017 08:38 PM (hyuyC)


My point is ... nuanced. Suppose we'd faked the moon landing, and no one was the wiser. The defense applications of the space program would have happened in any case, obviously.

The research implications of the civilian space program I will maintain were de minimus. Shooting some schoolteacher into space to get atomized there was when NASA jumped the shark, and implicitly admitted they were just jerking off in a modern day version of bread and circuses.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:43 PM (SRKgf)

343 Great technological advances often have great knock-on effects, often unforeseen. It's often impossible for the original investors in big advances to capture more than just a fraction of the economic value created.

Some advances were also not just speculative but really expensive. Because of this they often come out of military spending.

Going to the Moon was the cherry on the top of our military spending in the 1960s.

If it weren't for the Space Race driven by the Cold War we might still not have sattelites.

Posted by: Ignoramus at July 16, 2017 08:44 PM (pV/54)

344 by the way, off topic, but saw this on yahoo news today:


A GOP donor and opposition researcher who said he tried to work with Russian hackers to retrieve deleted emails from a private server used by Hillary Clinton, has died in a suicide, according to public records cited in a Chicago Tribune report.

Peter Smith killed himself days after an interview with The Wall Street Journal in which he said he sought out Russian hackers to try to retrieve some 33,000 deleted Clinton emails and pass them to Michael Flynn, then a campaign adviser to Donald Trump.

Death records from Minnesota show that Smith, 81, died in a hotel of "asphyxiation due to displacement of oxygen in confined space with helium" on May 14. Smith was found with a note that said there was "NO FOUL PLAY WHATSOEVER" regarding his death.



because God only knows that if I ever murdered someone, I would NEVER leave a note that said "NO FOUL PLAY WHATSOEVER". Also interesting that he died 2 months ago.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at July 16, 2017 08:44 PM (ILitO)

345 The research and development associated with the space program was amazing. Well until Barky McFuckstick made a happy feelz program for muslim outreach.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead
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While that is true, the big semi firms were by driven by potential huge consumer/industrial markets. The space program did not amount to spit for them, by comparison.

Kilby developed the first IC before NASA even existed.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 16, 2017 08:45 PM (OdK9v)

346 Pffffffffffft! Enginerds bring the dreams of research scientists to life.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 16, 2017 08:43 PM (FI864)



Yeah, but NASA apologists point to all the breakthroughs NASA made. Those were made by research scientists, and USED by NASA.

So let's keep the accounting straight.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:45 PM (SRKgf)

347 Sorry TP, I didn't mean to be cavalier with your question. As an old guy (older than Vic if you can imagine it), my advice might not be worth much, but the price is right.

Posted by: Ruthless at July 16, 2017 08:45 PM (GDtEt)

348 One of the big successes of the Manned Space Program was building a lot of expensive infrastructure in key congressional districts. There's a reason why NASA headquarters is in Houston.

Seriously though, it was a directed engineering project, which did not quite invent all the neat doodads that a lot of people attribute to it, but it did accelerate development of certain technologies.
But the Air Force actually had a very evolutionary plan to get men into space.
The follow up to the very successful X-15 rocket plane was the X-20 Dyna Soar vehicle, which would eventually reach orbit. It was a space plane, designed in the late '50's, early '60's. But it was a mil design, and therefore got scrapped by edict when NASA took over all manned space flight.
But the Air Force got even in the 1970's, because the Space Shuttle size was designed largely to Air Force requirements to be able to life the Keyhole satellites into orbit.
Which the Space Shuttle actually never did.

So, who got the last laugh, huh?

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at July 16, 2017 08:46 PM (S6Pax)

349 MRI has absolutely f***ing nothing to do with NASA.
MRI developed from the advance in NMR from continuous wave to Fourier
transform methodology, which allowed spin relaxations times to be
deduced from free induction decays. Lauterbur and later Damadian
realized that instead of using NMR as a spectometric tool (determining
e.g., the chemical shifts of the various protons), it could be used as
an imagine tool by characterizing the spin relaxation time of the protons of ONE chemical shift.



...Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara


You know nothing of my work.

Posted by: Raymond Vahan Damadian at July 16, 2017 08:46 PM (LAe3v)

350 If Tang is the Capt Krunch of non-carbonated ass water what does that make Funny Face? No. Don't say it. KaBoom?

Posted by: charleyhorse at July 16, 2017 08:46 PM (+kahX)

351 304 I have a feeling that a lot of people think that electric vehicle charging stations will supply electricity at no charge.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 16, 2017 08:29 PM (IqV8l)


It's only fair.

- Libtard SJW

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 16, 2017 08:46 PM (P/kVC)

352 Here's the skinny on the Teslas. They are on a real short leash. A man I know was driving an old Mercedes roadster from Ontario to Massachusetts in tandem with an old friend who was driving a Tesla. Man #1 said he could have made the trip in 9 hours, taking it easy. But they had to stop twice to recharge the Tesla: so it took them 12 hours.

Twelve. Hours.

The Tesla owner is a retired business owner worth a bundle, but yeah, he took the subsidy, too.

Posted by: Beverly at July 16, 2017 08:46 PM (Eet+Z)

353 re 333: so this is the "it's real but it's the joke of the day" item.

ok

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at July 16, 2017 08:46 PM (ILitO)

354 Some advances were also not just speculative but really expensive. Because of this they often come out of military spending.


And this justifies the spending on NASA - the civilian side - how?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:46 PM (SRKgf)

355

-- I am benefiting from this subsidy, so who am I to complain.

And so it goes. Until it can't.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 16, 2017 08:47 PM (IqV8l)

356 Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:45 PM (SRKgf)

Settle down Spike. This is just a discussion.

Posted by: Jack Sock at July 16, 2017 08:47 PM (IDPbH)

357 I'm not entirely sure how peas can be risque lol
Posted by: Tickled Pink
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One caused me a sleepless night.

Posted by: The Princess at July 16, 2017 08:47 PM (OdK9v)

358 Geographers are scientists now?

Posted by: bonhomme at July 16, 2017 08:47 PM (f+t3r)

359 amazing performance, something like 2.5 seconds 0 to 60 as I recall.

You're shorting a battery. Put enough copper in and it'll scream. As it is they probably have to limit it in software lest they get one of those pesky little fires.

Posted by: t-bird at July 16, 2017 08:48 PM (OBJWS)

360 I drive a Jeep, so no Teslas in my future. But that doesn't mean there is no benefit to government subsidies supporting new technology. This has been true since the days of steam engines and canals that made our country great.

Posted by: Ruthless at July 16, 2017 08:49 PM (GDtEt)

361
If Tang is the Capt Krunch of non-carbonated ass water what does that make Funny Face? No. Don't say it. KaBoom?
Posted by: charleyhorse at July 16, 2017 08:46 PM


Drink Injun Orange and Chinese Cherry!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 16, 2017 08:49 PM (IqV8l)

362 look, once and for all, you get get electricity from the Sun, right? And the Sun is free, right?

free electricity, maroons, now shut up and pay for my solar panels

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at July 16, 2017 08:49 PM (ILitO)

363 So, I don't watch pron, let me make that clear.

But, nowadays, pretty much any standard Netflix series, or heck primetime series on network TV has sex scenes, right?

Something I have noticed, is almost always, they have the dude open the condom with his teeth. Why is this? Is this one of those film/tv myths?

Again....just a curiosity of mine. It seems like a weird thing to do.

Posted by: Tickled Pink at July 16, 2017 08:49 PM (smD62)

364 A real sand-in-the-panties day around here.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 16, 2017 08:50 PM (oVJmc)

365 I have a feeling that a lot of people think that electric vehicle charging stations will supply electricity at no charge.

Aren't single-payer utilities a basic human right?

Posted by: t-bird at July 16, 2017 08:50 PM (zEjuG)

366 358
Geographers are scientists now?

Posted by: bonhomme



Sure, why not. Right alongside the geologists.

Posted by: Dr. Sheldon Cooper at July 16, 2017 08:50 PM (LAe3v)

367 Posted by: Tickled Pink at July 16, 2017 08:49 PM (smD62)

One hand is always occupied . Next question.

Posted by: Jack Sock at July 16, 2017 08:50 PM (IDPbH)

368 MRI has absolutely f***ing nothing to do with NASA.
MRI developed from the advance in NMR from continuous wave to Fourier transform methodology, which allowed spin relaxations times to be deduced from free induction decays.
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I invented that!

Posted by: Gauss at July 16, 2017 08:50 PM (OdK9v)

369 <i>But the Air Force got even in the 1970's, because the Space Shuttle size
was designed largely to Air Force requirements to be able to life the
Keyhole satellites into orbit.

Which the Space Shuttle actually never did.



So, who got the last laugh, huh?</i>

Klaus Heiss. Q.v.

Posted by: Beverly at July 16, 2017 08:50 PM (Eet+Z)

370 Re electric cars...68% efficiency is the best a natural gas generating plant can get...and that is IF it can use waste heat on food processing downstream for instance. So figure 50% efficiency. Then half the power is lost on the grid delivering the power to charge the battery of the electric car. By the the time you figure in the recycling inefficiency of the battery, there is no advantage over a gas powered car.

Posted by: torabora at July 16, 2017 08:51 PM (//RY/)

371 We need to trash this pseudoscience renewable energ crap and get back to real sustainable energy: nuclear power. The Navy makes them now where they'll last the life of the ship or boat ("boat" means submarine for you civilians and Air Force types) which means 50 years. Every town with 10,000 or so could easily have all their power needs met by 2-3. Put them in clusters of 5.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at July 16, 2017 08:51 PM (YsLaz)

372 So TP, is that your question? FYI, I have never opened a condom with my teeth and cannot imagine why I would except for dramatic effect. I would advise using a pair of nail clippers to trim the packing and go from there. But that's just me. Hope that helps.

Posted by: Ruthless at July 16, 2017 08:51 PM (GDtEt)

373 Shooting some schoolteacher into space to get atomized there was when NASA jumped the shark...

I believe that was directly attributable to poor decision making by the PM. IIANM, Morton-Thiokol knew the ambient temps had dropped below the rating for the seals in the SRBs and had recommended they be changed. What high value, high risk organization doesnt suffer from management buffoonery?

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 16, 2017 08:51 PM (FI864)

374 Regarding NASA and the moon race, surprised no one has mentioned the invention of CGI.

I keed.

Posted by: charleyhorse at July 16, 2017 08:51 PM (+kahX)

375 Something I have noticed, is almost always, they have the dude open the condom with his teeth.

They're weak from lack of blood.

Posted by: Dr. Sheldon Cooper at July 16, 2017 08:52 PM (LAe3v)

376 #60 Ruthless, I drive a Range Rover so I might get less usable miles then a Tesla (between repairs.) But they are delicious miles.

Posted by: Charles the Simple at July 16, 2017 08:52 PM (w7U7L)

377 "Than."

Posted by: Charles the Simple at July 16, 2017 08:53 PM (w7U7L)

378 "And this justifies the spending on NASA - the civilian side - how? "

You're mixing up the 1960s with now.

Back then it was to show our dick was bigger than Ivan's and the World knew it. Needed to be civilian in optics.



Posted by: Ignoramus at July 16, 2017 08:53 PM (pV/54)

379 I'll keep my Honda CRV and raise you a Ford F-150.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at July 16, 2017 08:53 PM (YsLaz)

380 Fun fact: Alonzo Ball's mother was a student of mine back in the 90's

Posted by: MAxIE at July 16, 2017 08:53 PM (9TR2V)

381 When we remodeled last year, we took down all the walls on our main level. We love our open space. It fits the way we cook, entertain and live

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at July 16, 2017 08:53 PM (mMeIQ)

382 Martin Landau is dead.

Posted by: IrishEi at July 16, 2017 08:53 PM (HiDrR)

383 @367

But...why? I still don't entirely get it. Just unoccupy it, and use both hands. Maybe I am missing something.

@372

Yes, haha....I don't anticipate needing to know about condom usage anytime soon. It just piqued my curiosity that's all. Seemed like a really random thing to do.

Posted by: Tickled Pink at July 16, 2017 08:53 PM (smD62)

384 Deplorable Jay Guevara

We could have a great discussion over libations on all of this.

The broader public was engaged to a greater extent than before, generating positive attitudes to technological changes. I aver that the pace of change was advanced by NASA manned space programs. We lost some mojo in the US when that was canceled. We lost a possible future as well.

The growth in income transfer programs were and continue to be America's self-inflicted sucking chest wound.

On NMR; I remember inspiring a women when I showed her a 10 mm NMR tube and a spectra and saying that there were scientists imaging a finger. She started a new career in NMR imaging for medicine. She is quite wealthy now, and I hear she has a new, younger husband.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 16, 2017 08:53 PM (hyuyC)

385 n00d hillary

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at July 16, 2017 08:53 PM (6FqZa)

386 376
#60 Ruthless, I drive a Range Rover

Here in Moab, a Tesla wouldn't have a chance on the Jeep trails. There are some things that are appropriate, and most vehicles (even gas or diesel ones) should stay on the pavement.

Posted by: Ruthless at July 16, 2017 08:54 PM (GDtEt)

387 Martin Landau is dead.

RIP Commander Koenig.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 16, 2017 08:54 PM (oVJmc)

388 God bless FT-NMR!!!!!

Posted by: The Man from Athens at July 16, 2017 08:54 PM (YsLaz)

389 So, avoid if you don't want spoilers, like what happens to Sean Bean.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at July 16, 2017 08:54 PM (6FqZa)

390 I knew a girl in HS who was fun to be around during spin relaxations times after I deduced her to be free from induction decays.

Posted by: charleyhorse at July 16, 2017 08:55 PM (+kahX)

391 373 Shooting some schoolteacher into space to get atomized there was when NASA jumped the shark...

I believe that was directly attributable to poor decision making by the PM. IIANM, Morton-Thiokol knew the ambient temps had dropped below the rating for the seals in the SRBs and had recommended they be changed. What high value, high risk organization doesnt suffer from management buffoonery?
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 16, 2017 08:51 PM (FI864)



With all due respect, why the disaster happened is beside the point.

The point is why was her ass was on the Challenger in the first place? So she could teach an elementary school class from space? WTF? Can you say "PR bullshit to guarantee more funding?" I can.

If everyone on board the Challenger had been a scientist/engineer or pilot - i.e., someone who had a reason to be there, I'd be fine with it.

To shoot some soccer mom into space just for the PR was bullshit, and showed that NASA needed to have its balls cut off.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:55 PM (SRKgf)

392 I wouldn't mind having a Tesla, but yeah, they shouldn't be subsidized. Shouldn't some rich billionaire be willing to lose some money in exchange for moving the tech forward/having a vanity business? It worked for Ted Turner and WCW, which lost money 10 of the 12 years he owned it.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at July 16, 2017 08:56 PM (uuwor)

393 NaCly Dog: 10 mm tube! I remember them. Shit we are old.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at July 16, 2017 08:56 PM (YsLaz)

394 amazing performance, something like 2.5 seconds 0 to 60 as I recall.
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The first time.
The second time, it will be 2.6 seconds.
See: Exponential Decay

After a few runs, things will slow down considerably, and you may not make it home, especially if it is at night, cold, and raining.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 16, 2017 08:56 PM (OdK9v)

395 So, as usual, I am being willowed. We should call it being Ruthlessed, I guess. The Corgis are no doubt rushing away em masse to see whatever awaits in the Hillary! post. So, let's join the rush like a bunch of crack monkies....

Posted by: Ruthless at July 16, 2017 08:56 PM (GDtEt)

396 What we need is instant vodka. Just add water. That's a moneymaker.

Posted by: Eromero at July 16, 2017 08:57 PM (zLDYs)

397 >>>Feminist scientists say citing research by straight, white men promotes 'a system of oppression'


But ... isn't the most important thing in science that it be factually ...

Fuck it. Never mind.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at July 16, 2017 08:57 PM (/qEW2)

398 On NMR; I remember inspiring a woman when I showed her a 10 mm NMR tube and a spectrum and saying that there were scientists imaging a finger. She started a new career in NMR imaging for medicine. She is quite wealthy now, and I hear she has a new, younger husband.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 16, 2017 08:53 PM (hyuyC)


My colleagues and I laughed off a seminar by Damadian when I was at Berkeley. He was going to talk about imaging a mouse's tail. We all roared; how are you going to spin the mouse, was the standard joke.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:58 PM (SRKgf)

399 The bats have left the belltower
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKRJfIPiJGY

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at July 16, 2017 08:58 PM (6FqZa)

400 I do miss the EM360's....
Hated the pens though. Always dry as dust.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at July 16, 2017 08:58 PM (YsLaz)

401 360 I drive a Jeep, so no Teslas in my future. But that doesn't mean there is no benefit to government subsidies supporting new technology. This has been true since the days of steam engines and canals that made our country great.
Posted by: Ruthless at July 16, 2017 08:49 PM (GDtEt)

And eminent domain is a hell of a subsidy.

Without it private space launch ventures wouldn't be doing dick.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 16, 2017 08:58 PM (P/kVC)

402 10K to recycle a fucking battery??

Yes, but think of your street cred as you show off the certificate for $10,000 in "carbon offsets" to your friends!

Posted by: t-bird at July 16, 2017 08:59 PM (pszv/)

403 new Nine Inch Nails
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDV-dOvqKzQ

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at July 16, 2017 09:00 PM (6FqZa)

404 Tesla currently gets >$530 Million per year for nothing as a result of CAFE standards - sales of mythical "carbon credits".

So, everyone that bus a real car is forced to subsidize Tesla - by paying for those "carbon credits" that tge co. They buy from is forced to buy from Tesla.

It's not just about direct taxpayer subsidies and tax credits for buying their cars - the indirect subsidy due to CAFE standards is enormous - Tesla could never have existed without it.

Posted by: Aaradin at July 16, 2017 09:01 PM (QvAgz)

405 Food's here! Gotta run!

Posted by: The Man from Athens at July 16, 2017 09:02 PM (YsLaz)

406 You're mixing up the 1960s with now.

Back then it was to show our dick was bigger than Ivan's and the World knew it. Needed to be civilian in optics.

Posted by: Ignoramus at July 16, 2017 08:53 PM (pV/54)[i/]

Why? To prove we can go broke more slowly than Ivan?

If we'd spent all the money on military applications of space, what would we have lost?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 09:02 PM (SRKgf)

407 The return of ChemJeff?

Posted by: Ignoramus at July 16, 2017 09:03 PM (pV/54)

408 Yes, but think of your street cred as you show off the certificate for $10,000 in "carbon offsets" to your friends!
Posted by: t-bird at July 16, 2017 08:59 PM (pszv/)



Business idea: printing up $10,000 carbon offset certificates and selling them for $1,000.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 09:03 PM (SRKgf)

409 The Man from Athens

Can we add you to the list of AoSHQ chemists?

We are not old, just conservators of memory.

Um ... OK, we're old.

Getting the pens to go was an art. Rubs nails on shirt.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 16, 2017 09:04 PM (hyuyC)

410 when I was at Berkeley

Ha! NOW I get it...

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 16, 2017 09:05 PM (FI864)

411 braap.

Excuse me.

Posted by: the barrel at July 16, 2017 09:09 PM (6FqZa)

412 It's a serious question: what did NASA do, and was it worth it?

What did the Great Society do, and was it worth it?

What will HIGH. SPEED. RAIL. do, and is it worth it?

In each case, yeah, there are some pluses. But there are also a lot of minuses. And one thing NASA and its defenders do that pisses me off is arrogate to themselves all sorts of things NASA had nothing to do with.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 09:10 PM (SRKgf)

413 Sigh.

Posted by: the barrel at July 16, 2017 09:11 PM (6FqZa)

414 Blame the Scotch.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 09:14 PM (SRKgf)

415 Deplorable Jay Guevara

Yes, I agree with much of what you say. The Great Society directly helped one Grandmother, but for many, welfare payments requiring the lack of a father in the kids life led to generations forever mired in a new underclass. Daniel Patrick Moynihan, among many others, warned us back in the 1960s.

After Eisenhower left office there seemed to be a major change in the country. We started funding failure for an entire society.


The bigger issue is how to get serious leaders in charge, and how to trim the swampy underbrush to get a better country. I'm doing what I can, but it never seems to be enough.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 16, 2017 09:18 PM (hyuyC)

416 Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 16, 2017 08:24 PM (SRKgf)

Would this be a bad time to point out that military use of space followed NASA, not led it? If there never was a NASA, how long would it have taken the military to catch on? I we don't need NASA now, but at the time... Oh, and I was referring to using sattelites to coonect to and through the internet, not the development of the internet itself.

Posted by: bergerbilder at July 16, 2017 09:42 PM (lIZQs)

417 Might as well stay my happy ass here, since I don't watch GoT.

Posted by: SMFH at July 16, 2017 09:42 PM (s5Kql)

418 SMFH!!

We are blessed with your virtual presence.

And remember, sailors are romantic by nature. All that sea time.

I trust you are well.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 16, 2017 09:50 PM (hyuyC)

419 I do not watch TV, except for Kansas State football non-home games. The home games I help run a concession stand at the game to raise funds for our Constitution Bee.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 16, 2017 09:52 PM (hyuyC)

420 Martin Landau is dead.

Posted by: IrishEi at July 16, 2017 08:53 PM (HiDrR)

George Romaro too.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at July 16, 2017 09:54 PM (TPimP)

421 It's not just about direct taxpayer subsidies and tax credits for buying their cars - the indirect subsidy due to CAFE standards is enormous

$3/gal California gas would also like to be in on this conversation.

Posted by: $1.95/gal gas in Louisiana at July 16, 2017 10:02 PM (zEjuG)

422 Dems and the Left: Reinforcing failure since 1964.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 16, 2017 10:09 PM (hyuyC)

423 It's like a success story from the Soviet Union.


*shifty eyes*

Posted by: Armand Hammer at July 16, 2017 10:44 PM (LTHVh)

424 I like Teslas, if I was rich....like really rich...I'd buy one. They're luxury cars, not so much for utility.

But they *aren't* luxury. They lack luxury features found in a base-model Lexus ES, and they've been *removing* luxury features to reduce costs.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 17, 2017 09:13 AM (5dOnv)

425 The original Saab was a helluva car. My Dad had one in the late 1960s, and he could make a complete 360 turn on our street, Hall Ave., in Lakewood, OH, one of the narrowest streets in a crowded suburb (Many parts of it were built before cars were common. Also, many people parked on the street).

Ran in any kind of weather. GREAT gas mileage. Easy to repair. Easy to maneuver. Cheap.

All that - without subsidies.

Posted by: LindaF at July 17, 2017 10:06 AM (zcSMp)

426 Late to the Tesla party, but:

I dug this up (from Watts Up With That, Dec 2013)

http://preview.tinyurl.com/TeslaBattSwap

The guest blogger calls the battery swap a hoax. He
used to have a blog of his own called DoubtingIsThinking (dot) blogspot (dot) com -- which was an expose of how CA's laxity in doling out carbon credits was the only thing keeping Tesla "profitable"; but ALL traces of it have vanished. I assume Mr. Musk's well-paid attorneys would know how that happened.

Posted by: Nobody Special at July 18, 2017 02:52 AM (JOcUN)

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